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397. Happy 2021

The Working Experience

33:31 min | 7 months ago

397. Happy 2021

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Check it out at still believe dot. co thanks. everyone. And i hope you enjoyed this episode of the working experience. Though working experience unflattering ninety three north is almost at a standstill yet. So rough out there this morning. Snow in sleep them. It's no service on n. Clear the closing door is to be a few minutes. Traffic should make make sure either report. Sat harry charlotte to see his team. Meeting at ten and worked makes the dream work here moving and after the meeting. We'll have a breakout session. Where am i. Hot box is discussed that everybody welcome to this edition of the working experience podcast. We are on the cusp of twenty twenty. One it's matty k. wu. It's party time man. i just really can't really it. Can i really felt like. I was in the club when you were doing that. One out. that's that was. Oh yeah it was probably just most yes lewd while jerry very appropriate for the end of two thousand twenty has an pretty it was a quarantine whoop whoop. Let's see this whole thing kicked off in. We'll call it beginning of april in the united states across the virus. I would say it was like march while i was still in school until mid-march and then it was not you know i thought we were going back to school. I think it was march twelfth. It was thursday and they said okay. Don't come in tomorrow. We got to disinfect. This and that so okay. We'll get the friday off back monday. Sunday they right. We gotta take the rest of the week. I was like. Wow then it was two weeks then. It was a month and they just kept. The date kept getting marched back further and further until we didn't go to school anymore. We were so. Yeah i mean it's it's really time to kick twenty twenty to the curb and we were told like all right everyone. We're gonna lockdown for six weeks. It's only going to be six weeks. And then six weeks turned into what like four months. The white house saying it's warm weather comes. it's all just gonna madge. He literally said magically float away magically. Didn't he didn't he want wasn't he. He didn't want eastern act. He said packed packed. Yeah so we had for twenty. We had january february. And i'll say we had marched because we really didn't know what was going on so we have three months of twenty twenty where things were relatively normal and then somewhat nor from april onwards so nine months and this is not i mean you know this is not over like they've been rolling out the vaccine but it is now there's a new strand. They said that. I think it's going to be the next couple of months. Can be a little bit of a bumpy ride. But you know what. I think that the The later half of twenty twenty one. We're going to see literally like the roaring twenties remix roaring twenties people at money. I'm not sure. I mean this whole stimulus thing. I don't know what is six hundred dollars going to do for a family of four. What is two thousand dollars if you wanted to help to. If you really wanted to make debt and i was listening to a pundits. Say this you have to send like thirty thousand dollars to over half the families in the united states. Six hundred dollars nothing. That's a week's groceries. It's nothing if they really were serious about doing something they would suspend taxes abbott the lower middle class the working class. They even worry about taxes. I mean a lot of them. Don't even pay taxes and make enough money right. That is made his. If you under twenty five b If you know that's that's not true. That's not true if you make fifty thousand dollars and you have a family of four paying about fifteen grand and taxes. Well i mean really. It has to be like three thousand dollars a month like sending people one check for six hundred dollars is nothing. I mean it is a drop in the ocean. It doesn't what does i by anybody. you're talking about. People who are six months behind in their rent who are facing eviction. Would six hundred dollars gonna do. Yeah but the. But i agree with that but also to you. Can't the government can't just fund people's like let's say it's thirty thousand dollars per person. What what is that. Like six trillion dollars. I mean the. Us government can't just could they could just you know printing money but money. I mean it's you you really have to look at it like we really have to look at where we are. Now what we've done with the lockdowns and what the prudent steps are going forward like full full. Shutdown of the economy is not the way to go about it. We're not new zealand. Were not australia. We can't shut down our borders You can't I mean none of this has been you know you know all of these Sanctions and inability to travel between states. I don't know if this is even gone to the courts yet in whether that's unconstitutional. Like you can't just you know. Make people you can't shut down new york. Like how do you shut down new york or manhattan when you have everyone coming in from jersey new york connecticut do not mean like it's it's impossible to like manhattan lately one. Yes i have. Maybe about two weeks ago around you into we work to your office there. Yeah yeah there were people more like more than it had no not. I mean more lively. I would say in the last you know. This was right before christmas to so there was a decent minute traffic for that but More lively than it's been in the last four or five months but nowhere near to normalcy. Like what it was pre march twenty twenty Go into we. Work was anybody that There's a lot of people that were not. Yes there were people there. But i would say we work is at probably like twenty percent capacity. Everybody in their wearing masks yet in their. Yep yep everyone who was wearing masks and if you're in your office you aren't aware that mass but you know you are about teaching wearing a mask all day long like from seven in the morning till two sixty afternoon you just gotta have a mouse gone. Well i also read to that the The cloth like you got like the cloth mask which is not as good as the medical mask. And then you have the and ninety five's which are the best and the effectiveness of the medical mass are there. It's better than not wearing it but you really should be wearing an end ninety five because we're in ninety five. I rarely wear it. Because it's pretty uncomfortable but i may try to modify it because i got one a long time ago like in april. I ordered it off of amazon because it was tough to get masks and like home. Depot was outta them. Cvs was i mean. Nobody was buying these things in bulk before he would be no reason to Sign managed to order a couple of amazon. And i've worn it but it is not comfortable unless maybe i make an adjustment to it. I've been wearing your standard. You know whatever. The standard masks are so you know doing my best all right. Well let's let's let's get out of the doldrums and let's talk about twenty twenty one. So what are your some of your new year's resolutions money. I can't wait to hear this. The past three or four years. I'm not reached my goal. That i really. I'm gonna put all my effort into it this time. I like how you bring it you literally or admitting that this was a goal for the past three or four years obviously having achieved it but you recycle it you bring it back each year you got to keep trying and the goal is yeah absolutely look. There's no there's no judgment. I'm just there's definitely just telling it like it is. My goal is game three pounds okay so last year. I don't know fifteen twenty pounds. Something like that so this year. I really hope and you know like way about two twenty five. I'm really hoping it got to that. Like to sixty mark you know. We should really really funny to sell like a course like to gain thirty pounds. Because you know. Everyone's trying to lose weight by bob but we would be the only it will be. The only course is like how to gain. This is it how did gain thirty pounds in thirty days. That's the core muscle here. We're talking fat. No no no no. We're talking back and tony put it. Because i ran this by him last year anyone can lose weight. Stop eating what the there's no effort in right. You want to gain thirty pounds right. You've got to go food shopping by the right foods. You gotta sit on the couch. You gotta eat force that whether you're hungry or not you gotta eat so you know no i mean you hear it from you hear it from actors who have to gain pounds for a role. It's all joking aside. It's difficult for me to do. It depends on your. It'd be difficult for you to do but for me now. It would be very very difficult for me to put on thirty pounds. In fact i think. I have a better shot than you do You know rob mcilhenny. The guy from it's always sunny in philadelphia. Apparently for one season he would on like thirty to fifty pounds. Like some insane. He's in good shape. He does martial arts and so he said i read about it. He said he was eating. Like you know four or five meals a day you know chicken and all this stuff and it wasn't happening. And he said he switched to big macs book. It just piled on. You'd like to big mac suggesting that's it there. You got fast food man. That'll put it on so fast but the but you have to have the stomach to handle fast foods like on. Yeah you really. Your body's gotta be able to transform to take a big mac now. Like i would get sick like i would not feel good you know. Oh i would definitely get sick. If i had a big mac right now. I definitely get sick. Bites would be heaven. I think it would taste amazing and then after that it would start to sink in and it would be like who. I agree with that. I think the. I think the first bite the first two bites would be but the third by my body would start like the alarms would start going off the other thing that you could do now. I'm not saying. I'm gonna do this. But i was thinking about for our our listeners. Just quit your job okay. You're not happy at your job quit. That's it don't have a plan to forget plans and all that go in january. Fourth is monday. Quit your job right just a light. I like that when i quit. Quit not not to quit the a writer actor sculptor. No no no go home and tell your family your wife your husband your partner your kids when they say what are we gonna live on you say dreams right dream. Yeah and also you could sell that person. You're in thirty days. Which is a win win. Will for me. What i mind. New year's resolution is to get what i like the term more hands on. I think that hiding during this pandemic was that. I don't know if that's possible. Oh well it's going to be. I'm gonna. I'm gonna bring it into reality matt so during the pandemic everybody's been working remote and i haven't been able to lay hands on the employees as i used to. I'm bringing in twenty twenty one once that vaccine kicks in on bringing that must be itching to massage. Someone's they must be. Because i like how like. Let's say you're the supervising producer on the urine the editing suite. Someone's their editing away and all of a sudden your face just and they know you're there. They're like they look up. They're like. Oh my god here you and your husband seen cummins yet in your g. uk. You feel a little tense. There he fill i mean. Can you imagine just. I mean were were guys. So we don't get you matches being a girl and having to deal with that on a daily basis just these you know very subtle like passes all day every single day just from every single guy is trying to hit on you constant that must be a strange perspective to deal with an unsettling like you can see. i remember. get not really argument. But my friend's girlfriend was talking about being on the subway. And i was like she was talking about feeling uneasy. Things like that. And i was like what do you feel any like. I don't feel uneasy and what she's like here a guy like you're over six feet tall like it is different for you like you're right. It's a very different perspective. We'll we'll know it is right because like your guy right over six feet tall over six feet tall pretty much like i mean obviously guys can kick the shit out of me other guys can but the vast majority of the people i can overpower like i'm never feeling i never feel threatened. I mean obviously if someone had a weapon or something they could they could take me out but in a physical. If someone came over to me and started me. I will literally punched him in the liver. It i would. I would take them out yet. Conceive of anyone ever doing that. That's the thing like i can't it just wouldn't but but it's not in even in my psyche to be like uneasy. Do you know what i mean like i. It's just you. When there is a nutcase who has zeroed in on me. That's happened a few times. They're going yeah. Yes yes i mean. I used to go from brooklyn to the bronx five days a week. So casually like i would encounter something like that like all right. I'm going to get off the train and wait for the next works. I don't wanna get slashed in the face. I mean the the closest i've come to is is in a gay bar where i'm being hit on your other guys but that's your full but but it's but i'm not i don't feel threatened in any way shape or form like it's it's it's like a funny thing to me even if i don't know her and she liked puts her hand on my arm or hand my shoulder. I don't think anything of it. Like i don't feel threatened in any way. I don't feel uncomfortable. If it's the other way around yes so getting back to john's resolution is making everyone feel very uncomfortable. But of course you to every s not gender specific or yeah. It's not a correct. It's male female trans does it. Matter doesn't elect joe biden. had to be admonished. A couple of occasions never call him creepy. Jump there's a. There's him on video he's up behind remember that he was massaging this woman's shoulder. Yes sudas and he get not only that but he gets close and he whispers. What is he whispering. Joe joe hands hands yet joe. Easy easy ends off. Don't don't do that jail. It's you know it's good luck fence. I mean. He knew he was on camera so it wasn't like he was caught. I just i don't think he that's kind of the way he is way being friendly which i'm not defending him. Why just sit in his defense. But i don't. I don't think he really does mean anything by it. Because he's on cameron for millions of people. This is just the way. But it's like all right. Joe it's night. It's it's two thousand twenty light in how and well it's the same thing when they when he tells a story from like nineteen forty to release gyms about the little black kid who was stroking the golden globes last. It's like joe. Joe joe points in this are not. Oh yeah just. You're missing the mark. My dad missing. I think most people who know him said look he honestly doesn't mean anything by it he just Now on the flip side. Or i've got a other Got another resolution. I'm going to spend ten to twenty x more time on social media. I'm going for a deep dive. My whole sense of wellbeing and value. I'm going to derive by what other people think of me. I think i have. Maybe like two hundred twenty one friends on instagram or follower. Sorry and i think. I have more on facebook but i'm really going to put stock in that and i'm going to lean heavily on my real in person friends and circles to make sure that they're pushing my account and my messages to their their family and friends. So you'll be you'll be hearing bovi like obviously. We have a business reason for doing that. But there are people who there's no reason on god's green earth except for their self esteem like they want more friends on facebook more more followers on instagram. More likes not to make money off of it or something like that just because that's what they want. Oh it's it's a social currency. It's it's a very i mean. Some people are influencers turning this into a business and all that good stuff. But you're right. There is some people out there that are just the net flicks american murder. The guy killed his wife. And it's terrible nuno killed. His wife killed his two daughters and I'll wait was the guy that put him in the oil tank and That's a terrible story. What struck me about half life was that she was never off of social media. Everything was documented relentlessly on facebook facebook. Live and all of that. And i thought i guess that's just i mean this is aside from all the stuff that happened but she was probably in her thirty early thirty s. Maybe something like that. And i realized like that's that's the kind of the deal like people just relentlessly document themselves what they're doing and here i and some people do it for business. Reasons as we said You know what. I love instagram is. They'll show you a pile of money. It'll say tap if you're going to be a billionaire this year. You know how many times tap that wins. The check coming. I tapped it. I did what they told me to do. Where's the billion dollars. It's awesome it's awesome anyway. Yeah i mean it was. It was a horror and that guy was. I mean i still. Can't i remember at the end. The judge said why don't you get or the prosecutor said. Why don't you get a divorce like this. What you come up with because you don't want to be married anymore. That that you kill your wife and your kids as tara like what is remember He's still in. Jail is on death. Row scott peterson member him and again. That's like all right. You don't wanna get married or you don't want to be married then. Okay i mean you know you're gonna look like a abbott. There's there's you know there's some dark dark stuff. People humans can repress stuff for years or decades and then it just lashes out in some horrific. No but it's not like you know. And i mean this guy obviously. Has some medical. Those guys had criminal records like the never done anything before. The never i so strange like this is honestly the the solution that your brain comes up with all right to get out of that. Dark patch Well here's the flipside to gaining thirty pounds workout okay. You're only going to consume five hundred calories a day and going to work out three hours a day. That's your resolution right and you're gonna stick to that for two days and then forget it when it doesn't work just when it's too much when you don't see immediate results she just kick it. It's obviously not work and then you can segue into the gaining thirty pounds. See how that works. Pretty good right. I think i like this thirty days thirty pounds. I think we should call it. No i think we should call it a challenge. The thirty day thirty pounds. Funny this person. I know on facebook was talking about. I don't know going on some all liquid and melon diet or something like that and body transformation challenge and i'm mike why i don't like obviously you're not going to drink water and eat mellon the rest of your life like i don't well i mean those think of the sponsorship opportunities for us make donald's taco bell pizza hut the coke panels would love to see. I mean who were all right. It's thirty pounds thirty days at the end of thirty days. They've gained ninety bounds. Wow yeah the the real success stories. Avoid up is really over over achiever. Just he's sitting at his desk eating doughnuts eating slices of just you know bob's really Yeah he he really embrace to this channel. You know in in quarantine. It's like the perfect storm to gain thirty pounds in thirty days. You don't have to go outside. you can uber. Eats or door dash everything just foods just coming and we could have people sponsor your challenge like send you send you. It doesn't see that the problem is the legal remedy when someone has a stroke or they go into a coma hours something like that. Don't worry about that. that's where our lawyers will come in with this guy. Fine exactly. I love the fine print. all right folks well Here's to hoping that twenty twenty one maybe treats you a little better than twenty twenty If we are stuck at home. I could highly recommend last chance you that was. That's a great document not just because we head coach john niemand. Yeah it's it's the other. Excellent seasons are really good to ones mississippi. The others and kansas and i was watching the queen's gambit. Have you seen that fantastic. Yes very very good. Thank you should go onto sorry to cut you off. You should go to youtube and watch the in the behind the scenes of it faster lead. That's really good writing that for thirty years and he was turned down yet like honesty. You said to me. Hey we're gonna film shos show. I'd be like nobody wants to watch that. That the little girl and it was ending that eight year old girl. She's amazing she's amazing. And the the main actress She's she's fantastic. So it's it's funny. Like i guess the way they do the makeup or the lighting. Everybody looks a little off. You know they look a little strange and it really works for it. A creates a slight kind of other worldly. I think it's i think it's the lighting. It's also the color correction. It's it's really. It's really really well done to great story and the effects in great. I certainly don't really good serious facts. Which is good. They basically about one a fact which works great and they don't pound you with it. Which i like the one where the chess on the ceiling. That one right one. Yeah so everybody. Thanks lot for listening. We'll be back at. We're we're pushing our four hundred episode pretty soon and we are also that is very correct being. And what the top two hundred podcasts. and itunes. we're on the precipice madness so we have. We have the four hundredth episode. Coming up probably is going to be an early january. Maybe first or second week. We're going to have a very Outlandish over the top celebration We're going to. I don't know maybe we might do a live. Pied we might charter plane. Make like five stops around the world. Do a live podcast in the plane. I still. I still haven't cleared those charges with you. Madam kind of bringing them up now but we can do as a promo about thirty percent off our thirty pounds in thirty days program. Anything about one of our listeners fitted low price of seventeen hundred and fifty three dollars you can gain thirty pounds various. Do you do the magin. It's like we put all our money into the pro and then the videos are just like you sitting on the couch eating potato chips rather go you know like like and then like how how to's on how to use uber eats and door dash as i look. You've got to the commitment necessary to not leave the count on easy not easy. It's not that you can't burn any calories. You gotta have somebody help you. You definitely need somebody to back you up on this to be. Your kind of tea may on helping you gain the way they they ordered the food you know they go get it for you and all that it's not easy they're making sure you're eating six times a day docu series is like the world's strongest man competition and they were following the sky around in england. This guy would eat anywhere from six to eight thousand calories a day. They showed what they showed him shopping. They showed him going food shopping. Wow that's insane. That's what i aspire to be but without the weightlifting. I don't want to do all that stuff you know it's It's basically think of it like this. It's weight training without the weights. Right you want to eat. You don't want the waves go right. It's the strongman competition minus the exercise. That's a great tagline. Is the strong man. You have to eat like a strong man would don't lift any way as water time. Nago aren't everybody. Thanks a lot for listening. And we'll be back real soon. All right thanks everybody. Thank you everyone for listening to this episode of the working experience we'd like to thank our sponsors one circle media and the still believe app. The only app that delivers video proof of the tooth fairy and santa by simply taking a picture. Download the app at still believe dot co today and a major kids and if you work for a studio network startup for corporation and are looking for a partner to create media that will build engage. Entertain your audience. Reach out to me at john. At one circle media dot com. I would love to hear from you. And that's it the end the sweet and until our next audio encounter.

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Rob McElhenney

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

2:23:53 hr | 2 years ago

Rob McElhenney

"Welcome to farm expert. I'm getting prepared for Halloween. I see that I hear it. Yeah, because it's Monday. Yeah, and we are, but I'm nine days away from the big day hollow lean trick or treat smell my feet gimme something good deed Monica, nine days away. Wow, I I'm coming from Wednesday. Great. Will we have another episode of the twin. Oaks 'but that sound Halloween. I cut you off. As do all I was already winding up my voice before you started talking. Sorry, it me now. I don't remember them with you. Well, you were just saying, I didn't remember what was going to say. You can't be mad about that. You're right to be mad about that if you can't control it. So sorry. Only had an outlet where I got to hear my own voice a couple hours you poor baby. Don't get to listen to your own sound. Do you want to try a Halloween intro? Never Zuid include doing a character voices kinda like doing a character and a song. Oh, sure too scary. Okay. Anyway, as guests is not scary now he's not. He's a babe. He's a super talent. I talk about him often on here. So this is a longtime coming? Yes, Bonnier idols. He's one of my idols. I really look up to him. His name is rob mcilhenny and he is one of the craters and show runners of. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. He's also got a new show. He's putting together over at apple. I think we talk about that a little bit. He is a megatonne, oh, this son of a bitch on Fargo. Great on it too, but it kind of made me mad as much as I love him and root for him. I was like, come on, man. You're my favorite show. I wanna be on my favorite show. Don't be jealous of your friends or doing well. Also you are saying Philadelphia wrong, a wonderful. Well, he is from Philadelphia, and his name is rob mcilhenny, and he is very talented. Got embarrassing. This way fall to hear your blood. Going for broke. I've owned to talk to row. That was pretty good. You're so embarrassed for me. Enjoy. Rub. Mcelhinney armchair is supported by ring, Monica. What was your experience like ring eighth thirty? You feel safer, don't you know really true. Do gotta HD video in two way audio. So of someone's at the front gate, they ring, they got a package. You can take a look at them. You can talk to them. You can make an assessment whether you want this person to enter your Donna sil- member recently, you thought I got a -ducted. Yes, I wish I had had your ring password. In fact, I want you to give it to me because I was very nervous that something happened to you. Yeah, too long of a story, but I did panic. Yeah, really wish I could have looked at your video on ring z who came and went from your apartment, which you can do it stores it on the cloud, and you can review it. It's a fantastic service for safety inconvenience as a listener. You have a special offer on a ring starter kit available right now. The video doorbell and motion activated floodlight Cam, the starter kit has everything. You need to start building a ring of security around your home. Just go to ring dot com. Slash Dax. That's ring dot com. Slash SP, he's not. Your news that you listen to if you have associates and you stumbled across anywhere, I'm kind of going into my affection for you. Yes. Well, with my wife. Well, sure. But that is not the only time one time with notice with Kimmel, but you said something about you said something about me to Kimmel, and he just moved as quickly pass it as. Would be a great opportunity to hear what Kimmel thinks. And I did. I did hear out that what I bought I bet happen was that was on my first interviews interrupting quite a bit in the early stages of this, and he was probably mid thought on something and I enter Jek did something about you. That would be my guess. I will say that I heard your, I heard that criti-. Will you brought that critique up that you heard from other people that you were interrupting people? I didn't notice that. Well, what was going on a little bit is that we didn't it the first ten episodes or so. So when there was a five minute are five minute five. Second pause, I would start panicking like brand new, talk, show host, and then I would think, will I better just talk and forbid, you just edit let any sore. God forbid, there's five seconds. My voice isn't steamrolling everything. But, but I've also talked, no, because I've talked about working out with you. Someone was in here. They have mentioned your physique. Yeah, you really have come up a lot. Yeah, I got. I wanna say it's five plus really? Yes. On the fact checks may be, maybe that's why. 'cause I know when there was one fact check. We were talking about Charlie, Charlie on our our from might. Yeah. And the newer also brought up in that conversation about that was in the CI. I don't. I don't listen to the fact checking because I like to live in the dark. Okay. I like to just assume that everything that was said was correct. Even though what I can sometimes I'm listening and I'm like, no, that's not correct, but but Bill figure never find. I won't. Ignorance is bliss. They say, but usually when I'm I go into my pitch about you what it involves is that I really look up to you, really? Yeah, quite a bit, and, and I don't even know. Well, I have my theories on why look up to you so much, but I really have this gravitation towards you, and I really admire you in a lot of ways. I think first and foremost, you're a man of incredible discipline. Would you accept that compliment with grace info, humility? Yes. In some areas of my life. Yes, not all, but in some you know that that's one of your strengths? Yes. Let's start by saying you probably can't get anywhere at forty plus years old. Having done anything, not at least acknowledged some your, you know your qualities. Yes. Yes. And put focus your energy in on that. Yes, I, I, I, I'm fairly disciplined when it comes to certain aspects of my life. Yes, in work work being one of one of them. Yes. Yeah. And I tried to explain this to people the other day on a an episode that the true heroes like the true super heroes of film and television, our show runners, and I don't think America generally realizes that we think of like, oh, the director that somebody who must really have their hands full. But as show runner to explain, I'm tempted to, but you're here in Europe, show runner. So tell me what show runner does as show runner. Is essentially the the person who is making sure that the show happens. So he or she is generally writing the vast majority of the shows or taking a pass through all of them. He or she is in the writer's room as much as your she can be to make sure that the creative direction is offloading in the right direction. Is in the editing room is onset as much as your she can be really the. It's the last line of defense casting. Yes, and and that's what that's the. That's the job that I I serve on. It's always sunny Philadelphia and you've done one hundred absorb at this point. I think we've done one hundred sixty one sixty, something like that. Yeah, jeeze Louise so yeah. But I never knew what a show runner was either. And I like some of my favorite even when you had the job, probably yeah. Oh yeah. I know what a waiter was. I have done enough of that, but no, but like growing up, I would. I would watch, you know, you'd watch Seinfeld for example, and I'd go. Okay. See this name. Larry, David come up a lot and I don't know who he is, but he's got something important to do on the show, but I don't know what it is. I just know that the shows about Jerry and I know George and I know Elaine and I know Kramer but I never really put two and two together that there was a person behind the scenes that was making sure that the show was being made will eat an even. I was in the dark about it, long enough that it was it made a lot of news win. Larry. David made eight hundred million dollars or whatever. The fuck number was right. And I remember going wait. How did a guy that was not on the show, make eight hundred million dollars? Or how did he makes almost the same amount as Jerry Seinfeld exact that year? I remember reading that Jerry Seinfeld was the number one highest paid person in the entertainment industry that particular year more than Oprah. And the number two person was Larry, David. Like who's that guy who Ryan getting almost the same. Jerry Seinfeld? Yeah, he's not been in a single scene. No. And then I also remember I remember at one point being in high school in watching the show and it felt different for some reason and I didn't know why it felt different, but it wasn't that it wasn't as good or as funny, it just felt a little bit different and then it wasn't until years went by and until I subsequently understood that that was the year that Larry left. So he left and actually Alec Berg took over Alikhan and Jeff Shaffer took over and and David Mundell and the show was just a little bit different. Not not markedly so, but just a little bit different. And that was the Larry woods season. I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was like second to last or something like that. And then Larry came back and came back and then I know the behind the scenes why he came back. They said, all there's a little bit different. Let's get Larry. He just got burn burn. Our, it's an, it's an exhausting well and just think you know how hard you work and you do what ten gene or something. Yeah. The most we've ever done is fifteen, but now we only ten and they were doing twenty four year, right? Yeah, that's an insane schedule. Right. And then they were doing, they were shooting them, you know, they were taping the live, so that's a whole different other level of pressure. Whereas we were shooting single camera, which is different. Yeah, and I think maybe I wonder if it was for the same reason. I didn't give Seinfeld a chance when I was young because it's what everybody was talking about. It's like what my uncle who I wouldn't wanna have a conversation was talking about and I thought, oh, this must not be cool. It was just too mainstream for me trying to define myself as an outcast to openly admit that I enjoyed. What were the show? Did you watch television and high school? Yeah. In high school. I was obsessed with party of five. Donna Martin graduates. What was your show. One. Nine. Oh, two one. In fact, you know, you, you gravitated towards the drama. Always to this day, like I will sit here. I admire the fuck outta you. I've been on your show. I've only watched three episodes. Yeah, I have almost zero interest in watching. Comedy. Can't put my finger on it, but at least comforted by the fact that I find a lot of us that are in comedy, don't consume much comedy. Are you the same? Exactly. The same? Yes. -actly the same. It was just maybe last week when I was like, oh my God, it's the bad place, holy ship. It's the bad plow giant like three years behind. And the only reason that I was watching it is because I know so many people associated with that show and but even that wasn't it and it was because. No member of the staff of my current show was like, you really? I was like, basically stealing storylines without having seen the show. Right. And they were like, no, they did this on the good place. I'm like, all right. What about this? No, they doing that on the good place. I'm like, fuck I gotta watch the good place 'cause I'm inadvertently stealing from them so, and everyone's watching love. Of course, everyone's going to say you stole, right? Yes. No, I don't watch. I watch very, very little comedy. Although I will say because I'm working on this new show that I've been trying to watch as much as I possibly can of what's what's working now last year or so. And it sounds a little arrogant or eagle maniacal to position at this way as if I had to really break down the math of why don't enjoy. It is exactly that to me. It's like watching algebra, be cracked. I can see the mechanics of it so much that it's almost hard for me to enjoy the shows that the comedies that I have fallen in love with our master of non of you watch that. I mean, it's fucking beautiful credit. That show is seem to me have this like the richness of Annie hall in a comedy. It's so romantic that show. I love that show. Yeah. So as Lanta I've been watching a lot land. Yeah. Well, and maybe that's why I respond. And I've seen every episode of master of non. I've seen every episode of Atlanta, and I think it's because they're so different from from say, thirty rock, which is very similar to the show that I make that maybe and communities the same way. Maybe I just want something a little bit different from what you're doing all day long. Well, and I think I think you and I enjoy the same kind of comedy, or at least we set out to make the same kind of comedy, which it is. Well, no, that's secondary to me to stunts but but after we've got some explosions and stuff, then I really want the comedy to come out of character. I wanted to be because this person so unique, the way they're just moving through everyday life is going to cause some problems as opposed to the world's crazy or the punch lines are insane. It's like, no, the person's crazy, the world's pretty real or the person's unique in the war. The rules of the world are real will sure that's, and that's that's what we've been doing on Sunday. And I think that's why it's lasted so long as the world. The world is the straight man, and there are no straight men or women on in the cast of the of the show, or I the joke is always like whoever it was gas cast winds up being straight. Right, right. Yes. You invite people to come watch you guys be funny. Yeah, yeah, but I but I but yeah, I just I just don't when I get home. I just don't want to. I just don't want to. Although I've been watching a lot of veep recently which is again, credible. It's so fucking good and credit. What's your favorite show comedy? No. Your favorite show? Oh, my favorite show of all time is friends. Sure. That's my door. Incredible show, I know, but it feels it feels like I should be saying, beep. Although I do love veep. I think it's the best will know you're supposed to say the wire, the writings, IRS the wire. Well, if you're in LA. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Becau wrong answer. Incredible three. But when you say you're embarrassed like generally you're supposed to save a wire. How about for you is sopranos in the pantheon? Absolutely. I don't. I've watched it. I watched all the way through three times and it's legitimately bad. Like there are episodes are actors. There's direction there's writing than in it that I feel like is legitimately bad, and it doesn't matter. That's the thing is it's my first. It's like the first show that was too good self as serious as a movie would, and I just was so in love with it, and it was like a paradigm shattering experience to watch it and I'll never have a feeling about show like I do about that show the best acting. I think I've just ever seen. He was how old I Eason. This is a while now I know it's a trick. I mean, if you had if I was being sincere I was, I'd guess that he was fifty one in the first. He was thirty six years. And you can check that. You will check that when they shot the pilot of the sopranos. He was thirty six. Oh my God, yes, but back to a so anyways, swirling around in YM. So impressed with us a person is yes, let's get back to that. Yeah. Yeah, I want that to be the it'd be a love letter to you. This whole menu in one of my idols. Oh, all right. I appreciate that because I feel like it's going to be a pretty boring podcast. Otherwise, I mean, you know, I hear because I know you're having a thing with Mindy right now talking about, really, I know. But I understand her perspective like I, yes, I because I am a fan of this show and a fan of a lot of other podcasts talk shows that I feel like I am not. I would not be a good guy. I will not be a good guest. I will not be a person that I wanna listen to that show that's horn that, but that's that. That is that is not fo- humility, humility, that's a bona fide insecurity. No. Okay. No, correct him, yes. No, I don't think it's an insecurity. Okay. You think is an accurate appraisal of your? Yes. No, that's worship because you're one of the most. Well, Spokane people have met. You have incredibly interesting childhood. You have created something out of nothing. You're married to a famous girl who I love. I mean more to you've seen that now I've let it all exactly where I wanted. That's what I wanted to hear. I needed that everything we would need. Let's go back to Philadelphia. Okay. I'm what four years older than you. I'm forty one o two years old or that. And that helps a little bit. Is it interesting to you that I like you so much? Yes, it is. I appreciate your that. Your wife like you're, you're a man's man. Okay. But one of the things that Caitlyn I always discuss with regards to you is that you are a few sieve with your emotional connection that you have with other men and you raise for other men, man, you love, zoom, love. We both do. Absolutely. We both love muscles so much. It wended this and I, I also don't have any. I don't know. I, I have no compunction. I mean, I, I guess I I grew up with around tough guys and they were always incredibly affectionate. My whole life is my, yeah. My dad's actually my, my mother, my father. They came from families of nine and ten respectively and they and their full of like blue collar, tough men who drank and smoke smoked and spent some time and. Places. Sure. And ongoing wasn't at every Christmas, lots of cousins, uncles, and also just people in the neighborhood and things like that and who who would they kissed each other? Hello, that was. I remember that from a very early from a very early age, always hugging, always, kissing always like telling you, I love you telling me, I love you, and so I always grew up with it. I don't know if it's just like a cultural thing. It's also amongst my friends that I grew up with to like the man. They also came from similar families. I don't know if it's a Catholic thing Irish Catholic thing, or I, I don't know what it is, but, but we're all I'm, I'm very affectionate with other men. Yes. And you really appreciate the male form. Sure. Yeah. Well, some folks aren't as into it as you and I find it fascinating. Just say the best thing is whenever you and I have had this moment like maybe ten times over the last decade where I see something that's muscle related, like a documentary. And then firstly, I do text you in. This is happened where you literally within the last twenty four hours of just consume the exact same thing. Well, you were, I think you were talking I or maybe it was about the funniest scene that you've seen in a movie in a long time, and I remember texting you saying, but I think I found the funniest history of movies and you said I already saw falls off the horse. Falls off the horse. It's the greatest generation iron, but I find masculinity, hilarious. It's really weird, right? Because you and I both can recognize the total danger of it that it's potentially toxic and quite often is terrible. And in fact, when I'm in bars back home with a bunch of dudes jockeying for the alpha roll, I can't stand it at this point in my life. Yet. I'm really fascinating. I find it equally magnetic now. Repulsive and magnetic. Is that so bizarre? I don't know. It's just it's infused into genetic code. Here's when I knew I was going to like you is Caitlin basically said, you know, I think it was one of the first people to find out you guys were dating. You and your two friends created the show. It's always sunny and she was cast in it. You guys got to know each other and then you started having steaming affair and it was under wraps. No one really knew about it and then you may be came out season two or three or something like that. Yeah. But she was only, oh yeah. I'm dating one of the guys from the show what guy and I had met you guys said rob, and then she had a story about you guys being in a bar in Santa Monica. You had some friends in town visiting. Do you have a legal situation where you can't talk about us. Has passed in Rome that happened in Rome, and you didn't have friends in from town, but at any rate, a scuffle broke out vastly outnumbered. Yes, but all of a sudden she had my full attention. I'm like, okay, you like a guy that if if outnumbered into defend his friends will go to the fucking limits. I think I like this guy a lot. That was my first and that's terrible. Can recognize that stairwell. That's not that's no reason to like a guy, but I really liked that about you. And I thought, I'm really glad you're going to be with a guy that will, you know, well, let's break that down for a second. Is it what? What is it that you liked about it? I'm very attracted to craze acts, so it's very scary to take on five or six dudes if there's three of you. And yeah, I'm really attracted to acts of courage again, probably wrongly, but I am can't help it. Yeah, I I've heard you tell you've told the story to me many times you told it on. On the on the podcast about the guy that through the the milkshake was a milkshake or soda at at your car and you pulled over and you went and found him. Yeah, and and I did have legal trouble course. You can't advocate for that, but there's something about it. It's it. It's like it's it's safe for me to hear that story and to love it because that is some level. There's some level of Justice. Right, right. And I'm an, I recognize that in real life, you are potentially putting your spouse involved. They hate it. Says you were, you were potentially hurting another human being, which I know you don't wanna. Do they deserved it? Of course. And you were putting yourself into legal into legal concern, but also potentially a physical concer-. And by the way, the real real talk, financial, fuck all that I'll go sixty days in jail. I don't want to damage was done in in every way, and yet there's something in intensely satisfying that Justice prevailed your certain extent you have nailed it. Yeah. Because again, when I heard the story about the six dudes acting fucking tough by picking on three guys, I go, oh, love, they got their come up. It's now that's, that's Justice. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really attracted to Justice. Yeah, there's something about that and that you're living vicariously through through somebody else because you know that every decision that you made in that circumstance was essentially wrong, but Justice still, sir. This is why vigilantism is just not allowed because yeah, because we get, we get it wrong quite off. Yes, I got it wrong. Again, it's the attraction and repulsion that I have two men. And masculinity in general? Yeah, whole thing is so fascinating to me. Do you have an obsession with dad's. Saks has a real obsession with dad's. I think I noticed it on Caitlyn's episode of this is a theme you love dad's. His dad or her dad is, is the greatest. I think anyone would probably feel about her dad is is the greatest. I mean to the point where I have two boys, but each time I thought I assumed I was having a daughter and I really wanted to have a daughter mostly because of the relationship that I saw with my sister and my father and also Caitlin and her father, which is very similar when he's just the absolute greatest. Yeah. Yeah. I have the jackpot within laws and by the way he he somehow navigates I call him alpha two point. Now he some house, the guy that's not gonna let anyone get hurt around him, but he, he has no talk city, two zero. It's really volved. He's a really, really sweet gentle, man, but I would not fuck. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You're coming into his house. The that's the ideal. That's the. That's the ideal an idol. I, I don't have. I don't have the ability that he, but but I look up to him. Yes, we're inching our way there. Yeah, but he's from a previous generation. I feel like we should be. We should. We should we? Yeah, we should started beyond that. Well bothers the same way. My father's incredibly pacifistic, but there's also we're relationship that fathers sons have with fathers were still believe that probably he could kick my ass and he's turning seventy next week. Oh, really? Yeah, you still have that. And yeah, like I believe and I believe it and I don't know that it's true, but this something lizard brain that won't allow for. I don't think it's true is my hunch, but, but also you can. Do you remember ever deciding? 'cause I decided that I'm going to define myself in opposition to my father. I think that's natural. Okay. Was people seem to be chip off the old block? Possibly. Yeah. I mean, I, it was. Always my experience. I mean, I, I certainly was exceptionally confrontational for the sake of being confrontational from the time I can remember. Yeah. And so why do you think that is? I don't know. Probably just trying to define my own existence. What will birth order are you? I was the first born, but then then I had them. Then they had a sister and a girl, and then another boy, then my father got remarried. And then there was an older sister that moved in. Okay. At thirteen it was interesting. You're there Diener. She was their thing. I was thirteen. I think she she was fourteen. So all of a sudden you're thirteen years old and you have a, you have a new fourteen year old girl that moves in with you and you're sharing a bathroom and your your sister. This is your family member. This is now your. I had the same thing little younger, but I was head over heels in love with her. I was bonkers for. Did you have a crush on your SIS. Stor. I remember being very strange uncle and she was very attractive. She is very attractive. It was just the whole thing was very, very strange because the result, so it was just like thrust upon us like, here you go. Yeah, good luck. Here's luck with everything. It was all just here's a gale on the right in the middle of puberty. Yeah. In urine puberty? Yeah. Oh, boy. This is really the premise for a lot of pornos. I'm very honest about my sexual proclivities on here. Yeah, I'm not a big porn watcher now. Know at, you know, when I was younger, I enjoyed it. Like when I was I access -able at any moment on the internet. I think I had a little spell of it, but in general, have a real hard time. It's hard for that to fulfill my fantasy executives have a hard time buying into the fact that they're are enjoying the females. Yeah. Well, what about like homemade or. Okay, we ally for amateur or something else lines that, yeah, that that would steer you into into the good action of reality. That's a good lameness start and told us in one of the fact checks that he, he thinks he's a real voyeur like a real one because he will sit in front of a window for three hours if there's gonna be sex to watch even the slightest promise of it, like someone just home, like if I'm in New York, just just the stomach. Could have anyone else would walk in someone objective who's not already sucked into that mind set would be like, that's not going happen. Look what they're doing. They're like they're getting their bag ready to. They're leaving young, right? But. Chance that it could possibly have fries it. You don't like porn one percent margin? Yeah, but that's. But that's very reality based, right? This is a look into someone else's life. So, yeah, yes. So if someone of a male comes into that scenario and things get frisky, you better believe they both wanted. You certainly do okay back to. So you just want to say one thing that's interesting, science, science speaking, you'll never find out whether it's right or wrong is in the fact. But what happens between siblings is that your olfactory cents picks up the scent of your siblings in it registers in your brain and actually kills any potential for sexual feelings that's out works an old factory mechanism, and even kids who grew up in really like they play together, nonstop. Generally bell register that sent Inabe attracted. And that's why you hear these stories of. Parent child being reconnected that have been separated in. There's a kind of shockingly high rate of them hooking up because they haven't registered each other's fair moans and yet any others as ration? Yeah, in familiarity and weird. Genetic stone, it's very interesting that was the the Korean movie, oh, there was a Korean movie that explored that that one of the best one of the best that Spike Lee remade was it called, oh, but something boy. Oh boy. All boy, that was a northerly see, I don't wanna give anything away. No, about what Bush go. 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And again, you know, I'm pretty outspokenly against appropriate though. He call sure non secular schools, but but I've, I've now sat with so many people that were Jesuit schooled and they got a lot out of it. I loved it. You loved it, right? Yeah, yeah. What were the? I loved it even at the time, but now looking back on it, I have even a greater appreciation for. And what are the principles that they successfully stoled on you? A constant state of curiosity, they were always asking you to question your own belief system to question of thirty and to be exceptionally disciplined in doing so Ryo instead of. So you were allowed to have an opinion about anything you wanted as long as you could back that up Pinon up with facts. So you could come in and say. I think this is bullshit. I think you want your teaching his bullshit. I mean, obviously respectfully, so, and then and then you know, nine times that attend, they would stop and say, okay, why? All right. Let's go down that road. Why? Why do you think that? And if you were lazy that that was like laziness was just not something that was tolerated, right? Lay intellectually lazy and physically lazy, but the it was just something that they just wouldn't accept run because they were like, look, you, you have a tremendous right now. You have a tremendous amount of opportunity and privilege to be at this school because not a lot of kids get get, get that privilege and you're not gonna waste it. And if you wait, and if you do, then we'll find somebody else who wants slot. And I remember being taught that at fourteen years old and you could seriously despite being a bit of a contrary. Well, you're, yeah. Yes, because they accepted it. And I remember that on a consistent goes legs, Justice, you felt well, you know what this place is minimally just. If I if I of argument case in I'm right, they're gonna knowledge that and they were and the school had been around has been around since eighteen fifty one or something like that. So they're used to a fresh crop of fourteen year old punks coming in there for hundred fifty years. Right? So I'll rent because their new systems every one of them. Everyone of them thinks that they've gotta figure it out and they're the anger, young man, and you know, and they're and they're originally in their new and they're takes fresh in, you know, it's the same crop of fourteen year old. Boys have been coming in for for that long. So they were ready for me and ready for all of us. And so anything that I would anything I with route at them, they've heard thousand times and they had a great way of transmuting that into a lesson that I would then learn myself as opposed to the road you. Yeah, exactly. As opposed to them teaching it to me, it's something that I always deeply respected about. My mom is best idea one in our house like she would let you argue with her. And if you if you proved your case, I, it swayed her is always frustrated. When I go to my dad's like the the logic would be breaking down. I'm like, no, I know it. I, you know, I hated that feeling of August is really just because I'm younger. Yeah, there's nothing Justice or logic. Well, I, I remember very. Early on. I was small, really small when I first started my freshman high school. I was I like eighty seven pounds. I remember the wrestler, and so we would have to wear our selves and the and everybody's. They're trying to cut wait to get down to one or three. And I'm trying to add weight to get to one of three. So I was really small and because. Hi, five one, five two. So you're like my wife size, teeny? Yes. And that doesn't fly for a thirteen or fourteen year old boy. So I went instead of being like timid. I went the opposite direction and became a loud mouth. Like I just became like a intolerable asna because because I was like, this is my defense mechanism, right? This is gonna survive. Yeah. And so that permeated through my entire life in socially, certainly with my parents and then also in school. I remember this one teacher who subsequently became my favorite teacher, but very early on. I said something, you know, said some some kind of crack and he looked at me and he said, you know, Mr. megani. Your insecurity is no excuse for your hubris, and he walked away. And I was like, first of all, I understand what that meant. I've never heard the word hubris before fry, but it stuck with me and I was like, you know what else? Security, man, and I know what the tone men. So I left and I asked somebody else at what is hubris main, and as it was explained to me on like this guy just basically told me like, he just picked me apart in one sentence and laid it out and and I didn't get in trouble. But I was at Monash d- in a way that didn't call me out in front of entire classes on, here's me also even heard. No one else would have gotten exactly provider. And also it was very specific to me which was like, I know why you're acting like this. That's an incredibly precise way to some you up in three were. I mean, that's that's incredible. Yeah, obviously he had experience. Absolutely. So it wasn't the first time that he had met a for fourteen year old who thought he so was bummed out that he. Wasn't five. Eight? Yeah, and that and then five eight. That would have been a dream. So it was like those kinds of things that I would take to heart and then recognize like, I would always just come back to that where I would go. Okay, so this, where is this coming from? Why is this Bay? I still do to this day. I say, okay. Well, I'm feeling like this or I said this right? Treat I treated this person in this stance of very specific way. Why did I do that? What does that is that coming from ego? Is that coming from insecurity? Is that coming from? Because I lack, I feel lack someone because what's so crazy is that I'm sure in ninth grade prior to him saying that it probably hadn't occurred to you that was motivating all your behavior? No, I wasn't. I probably wasn't felt. Shorter than everyone in insecure on by, but I doubt you connected the dots that the new then behaved as specific way in response to that. Yeah, or even if I did it was in a way that I felt while other people wouldn't recognize that they would just think I'm a tough guy. I'm on the cool guy. Rom the funny guy or whatever it wasn't like, oh no, it's because you are terrified. That's why you're acting this way. Yes. And all of a sudden somebody luminated that for you, not only that you that you know it, but they know it and everybody else knows it. So you can continue with that behavior, which I'm sure I did to a certain extent, but along along the way it's already been now, it's because it's been introduced. You can't on here that right every time you would act that way you are least semi aware of like mom doing that fucking thing. He said yes, and because I'm fourteen fifteen sixteen all the way through high school. It's not like all of a sudden, oh, wow, I had this epiphany in my life change. It's just that it's just that that began the evolution. You know process still going through now, but at least it started at an early age. Yeah, and then was compounding met. So you also have the unique story that your mother and father got divorced? Yes. And did these specifically get divorced because your mother knew she was lesbian, or did they go? What's the order? Of course everyone knows their lesbian. Well, that's my mother wouldn't even consider herself lesbian. She would not say she's gay. She would say Mary her my stepmother, her wife of forty years. She's gays health. Oh. Not. She fell in love with Mary. Oh, interesting. And so so she'll say like, I'm not attracted to all women. She would say, I fall, I fall in love. I fall in love with people. I phone father, and then I fell in love with Mary. And so again, like Caitlyn's dad kind of forty years ahead is a binary option forty years ago. Yeah, regale your stray. That's right. And now she kinda sounds more like what's young person today would tell. Yeah. Well, and she because, yeah, I mean, she was she grew up in a very oppressive. Well, what wasn't oppressive in the time that she was growing up in terms of. Yeah. And in a very blue collar section of Catholics of south, Philadelphia must have been tremendously difficult. So in terms of a time line, it's really funny because my father, let's see we celebrated there. I was, I call my dad and they're all really close. So I so my, my dad and my my mother, yeah, I've been events where they're all there. Oh yeah. There was a period of my dad went through a second divorce and moved in with them. Oh my God. This is so excited. Yeah, I loved it. Everyone just stay cool. The other didn't fucking burn bridges and my while it goes back to my father being just an incredible human being. 'cause I because my mom essentially laughed for a while. Okay. To go figure her shit out and what age for you I was in. Let's see. I, I must have been nine. Okay. My sister was eight. My brother was six or seven, so that you know, look, that was tremendously. Difficult for us. I can only imagine how hard it must have been for her having kids now, but knowing that it was impossible not not to write and I, she's an, it's just not going to. It's just not gonna work and it's going to. It's just she's just not going to be happy in their for none of us will be happy. So she leaves for a little bit. She's putting on her oxygen mask and airplane. And before she put yours on. Exactly, yeah. Which is a very helpful way to view it. I would feel very abandoned in resentful against her. I'm shallow. Well, of course, there's a part of me that is still that's still there that feels that right. Like you can't really run away from the nine year old that's still locked you. And I have a similar approach with women in the past which is like amount in a second. That's kinda my mo- my nuclear option is like, I'm pretty good at going on out and I'll just cut the core. I think some of that. Well, yeah. I mean, so that could have been very easy for my father to do. Who was presented with with the scenario, hey, I'm leaving and you gotta take care of the kids. 'cause I gotta go figure my shit out. So he said, what are you? Gonna? Do he said, okay, and to his incredible credit. She comes back of course and says, okay, I figured this out. How long was that? Well, that's that's what strange because you'll need different. We all have different recollections of of of of how long it was felt like a very long time. Of course, when your kid, everything feels it's time is expanded, felt like a tremendous amount of time, and I don't really know the exact time line and they don't really. We haven't really sat down to discuss, but but my father said, okay. The the kids need a relationship with their mother. Let's figure it out. Let's work it out. What do you need? What do you? What do you think is going to work? And that's what we wind up doing, so very pragmatic. Incredible, incredible. And so did the solution involve her stain in the house, but in a separate room, ow. Sheely. Now she moves in with Mary. Like in that time she knew Mary, okay, so that's this is the this is actually the funniest part of the so many years later. In fact, like thirty years later, I call my dad and I say, I, we gotta get a gift for mom and Mary, it's their anniversary is coming up and he's like, oh, yeah, you know, I wanted on that because again, they're close in her and I said, yeah, you know, it's a big one because it's their, it's their thirtieth anniversary, you know, in March and they're, they're, they're, they're celebrating the time that they, you know, the first time that they like fell in love, which I don't know what that meant. And my dad goes, no, no, no, that's that's not right. And I go, yeah. Yeah. No, they said it's the thirtieth anniversary goes. No, that's impossible. It doesn't. And I see them like go through like the map in his head. He's like. We're finding out that it was way sooner or later well, that they were married. They were married in that the time line for him was much a lot of overlap, yes, figure it out. It's now thirty years in the rear view mirror, and he thinks it's hilarious, which of course, I thought it was. Right, right. My dad's been must not twenty five. That's okay. You know that this has been going on for quite a while. Did she did she work these people in their twenties. I mean like so it's in their twenties in the eighties in Philadelphia? Yes. Yeah, eight twenties. It's like, I can't imagine. I can't imagine what that's like. Well, first of all, I can't even imagine. I mean three kids in my twenties, I would have done the show is parent. Imagine l. yeah, my patients is a just got patients like five years ago. Yeah. And they were sending and my father figured out a way to send me to this Jesuit to send us the Jesuit school which was incredibly expensive. Yeah, it would. Your dad do? He's in social services. He has. So he's not. So he took all gene. No, you took on to take on it to take on another job. He took on a second job. What? Fuck Saint. He's he's in crowning to do Zia. Now. I'm szeswith. His dad just happened because normally it's, it's women's dad. So this is good or you think there's some kind of perversion of, okay, there's a perversion at play. Interesting. Yeah. So I'm wondering how well known was your scenario in your neighborhood at your school, how many people knew that your mother lived with another woman. It was funny. There was a period in which we were sort of in denial to certain wasn't like that. We were like, oh, this isn't happening. It was like, oh, mom has a roommate. Mom has roommate, she moved, we know we know that they were divorced and she has a roommate. Yeah, and and it was just something that we didn't really like talk about and then and probably in like eighth grade or something like that. And I remember I was with a big group of my friends and I just said, I don't know why, or for whatever reason I decided this was going to be the time that I was going to bring it up to my friends. And I remember there's a bunch of like eight or eight of them there. Well, that's a pretty big group. And I said, you know, I think that my mom is gay and my one friend Connor said, yeah, no shit. And I was like, oh. Oh, you guys all know their like she lives with a woman. And then I realized like they didn't care. So I didn't care. And from that point forward, I mean, that was really it through high school. None of my friends. And you know much of your identity office group in your school? Yeah. I mean, those these were not people that you know it just it just felt like people never really of met a few these logs and I like all of them. Yeah, they're like there's in Minneapolis last year. Who's the surgeon, Joe Dwyer. He's Joe what? Okay. So Joe wire, it was in the mix, so. Oh, yeah. Well, my freshman year of high school, he was the one hundred and three pound national wrestling champ. I was like wrestling him and he was decimating decimated, but he was like, he's one of the toughest people I've ever met mine Tyler. That was like the guy, a hundred percent looks like he misses. No, I'm in love with this guy, but he looks like he, he's working on the. Back of a sanitation truck, and he's one of the best hand surgeons, Philip, yeah, he's very successful, but he likes to party and go to football games. He's a good time. Yeah, he really breaks the stipulation. Yes, yeah. Well, he was. He was always the wrestlers are always the sneaky toughest guys on the in the bar right ler at high school party. Yeah, you know, he's hot. He was small hundred three pounds. Yeah. And I would see him mall people because there would be these big tough guys from other schools, and they would see this little guy and they'd be like, okay, we're gonna pick a fight with these guys, and we'd be like, you know, send out your bass rhyme. You know they, they would send out Goliath and way would send out a Keeleys, you know, David. I mixing my this out and so and he would go out there and just slay the giant. I mean in minutes and be there's ranking. Lanes like that when you're young and you do send out your best, ours was Jackie. He was Aaron and is best friend in junior high in he, he was. He was so unbelievably tough, and we go to this place camp Dearborn and all adults. Lori, this is amazing. I feel like you and I, this is so sad. We have told each other every fight story. I can tell you. I can tell five fight stories that you that you were personally. Oh, really? Yeah. I know this story I know because he's kinda small, but he did like an uppercut that he not like a six foot three. It was like to ten or something, and he just thirteen and he beat him arm wrestling, and then the guy wouldn't pay. And then he called he made fun of his weight, and then it was just lights out. And I just remember thinking a one of rinses superhero, like we have a superhero in the group. We can go fuck with adults. We go anywhere. We want in this town in Jack's there and were safe if was just the mill. And that's, that's a special kind of capital in in highschool. Yeah, that's supposed to go away and like end it has right in so many ways, but it also kind of has, well, I get in his thing this. This is one of the we. I have an ongoing, like I just chisel away at a couple of different topics in my house with my wife, and I've ensnared Monica and do a lot of these, and I just can't find any traction in one of them is this. I try to say this to Kristen. I said, there's something about the fact that we're all living in a very civil way were moving around the city and we're following the rules. But at any moment. The law of the jungle can come out and it does from time to time from time to time. I'll see these little agents with these huge egos flip and a guy off at a street lie in gist going agro the way they treat other people in their office and all of a sudden this guy goes, oh, guess what motherfucker not playing by the rules and he's out of his car, and I go all I again, I guess Justice thing, but something about it. I do like that no matter what you achieve. There's this little subtext. There's this little rumbling of the jungle still out there. Yeah. Well, that's what I think is the biggest difference between a lot of east coast cities and say Los Angeles, which is that I see a lot more aggression from male aggression, obviously in Los Angeles, tough guy at a Tuesday in Los Angeles than I ever did in Philadelphia or New York. And I think a lot of that is because we're locked in our little steel box and everybody thinks that they're protected in some way. But in New York, you're not you're walking the streets together? Yeah. And you know, I like to think that maybe I hope and this is the. This is the better angels of our nature may be, but that it's that that the the proximity to another human being reminds you of their humanity. And so you have a certain level of compassion or empathy for them. And I think that there's probably some level of truth to that, but I also think it's fear which is manifesting push this guy. If I cut this person off in the street, there's a chance he might punch me in the back of my head as opposed to in a car. I can drive away real fast and so you, you don't have that and you have that false security. And so the tough guy comes out and then you lash out like a CIA, I mean, like child? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is is basically we're back to the matter to the masculinity and I just wanna state for the record. I think utopia in where we're heading towards like you have two boys. I'm very grateful. I don't have boys because I would wrestle so hard with this stuff. At some point. I've got to leave behind the blue-collar Michigan route. Where you did solve things that way. I don't think violence should ever be the solution to something yet if I had a young boy who was getting bullied at school in he was it was ruining his life. It would be hard for me not to go are it will. Here's what's gotta happen. You gotta punch. I guy who lands the first punch, ninety percent times gonna win. You gotta be that guy like it would be. I don't know how I would navigate that. I'm very grateful that I don't have to why I don't think maybe they'll be in that scenario, but have you thought about that like you have the boys doing jujitsu? Yes. Yeah, I haven't doing jitsu but that feel like us safe compromise like, yes, it does to me. I mean, but but but not necessarily because of like a the defense factor, but because it gives them a tremendous amount of confidence because and that's what I always have noticed, like the people that are most ready to to devolve into that toxic mail are the people who are scared or the people who are feeling insecure. And so, and so if you're walking. Around with a certain. I'll tell you the the, the people who I've noticed in my life who have the least amount of aggression out on this out on the street and are the most secure are the MA fighters that I know because the decastro or to Castro's a great example, he can be benevolent at all times because he knows he came up everyone up. Place. Zero insecurity. Yes. And and like knock him out. But that's site. I can't wait for him because. But yes, so I got. So I have the boys involved in that, but you know, I, but it's really just about calm confidence building and having something physical. And most importantly, I know for me why I do it is because it helps to trans mute a lot of the natural aggression that I feel and the that comes from or whatever it is, and I'm going to feel it right, so I can resist it. But that's just stuff sit down or I can try to get it out in some in some way. So that's like exercise, any kind of exercise. But there's something very specific to jitsu that is a certain level of Gresham for specific aggression with partner who's also willing and you're not trying to hurt somebody's a really cool communication happens. Yes, lean you and your partner when you're yelling, right? Yeah, I mean borderline spiritual or something. There's like a respect for one another. Absolutely. Well, I can tell you that when I leave that place like an hour later, there's don't. That is the. The best feeling that I have throughout a day. Really? Yeah. I mean, it's, I really are you and I talked about pumping iron with Arnold. Comedy said, yeah, it's not quite like that, but there's something about just the release of all of that energy and you just feel and also that the respect that you have for the teacher respect you have for the gym and also that there's none of that like mystical bullshit. Right. You see, in a lot of like martial arts that they got rid of that the Brazilians got rid of that. It's more it's. There's so much respect, but it's very, it's it's just very physical and and yes, there's there is a mental. It's also incredibly mental, but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with like like juju or or yet him bowl, and no, it's just about I'm does this physically work and if it does, let's let's do. Let's do that. Kinda math. It's kind of physics, right? Yeah, yeah. Yes, it really a thinking, man's kinda. Yeah. Well, it's fits like physical chess, once you get to a certain level, which I am not lower gene in yell out. Yeah. Do your boys seem to have the same gravitation towards like muscles and stuff? No, but just what they're young. I mean, eight and six, but the eight I was starting to really. When did you see Conan the barbarian that's around that was like my sexual awakening. I didn't really. I'll tell you, honestly, I haven't really become as obsessed with the male form as I am now until my thirties, I think, oh, I don't know why. I don't know what it is or why or why you didn't love sports. Nigger, I mean as much as a, yeah, but but I wasn't as fascinated with their physique. Okay. You know as much, I don't know. I'm I feel like I'm getting more and more juvenile as I as I grow older. Sure, sure. You're finding the time, but my ju just this morning, I was talking to my. Son, my one of my favorite things in on planet earth right now is hearing my sons. Say that I have a question. He's just he has so many questions and that's so much like I get when I think about it because it's so that's so much fun. Yeah, because you're, you're realizing like, oh, wow, I am. I'm the conduit to him understanding the world right now. Yeah, right now and eventually that's going to go away. So this is a tremendous responsibility and something I take very seriously, and so I wanna be very measured in the way that I'm answering him because I want to allow for him to have his own experience, but also for me to educate him in, you know, new ways. So he said he said, what is what is cont- Cabrera n- main. And I said, combranch. Where did you hear that? He said, I heard mom call you contrarian. Rare is a contrarian. He said, yes. And I said, oh, that means that no matter what, no matter what I say you, you will. Find a way to disagree with it. And he started laughing, and, and I said, why are you laughing? He said, that sounds like fun. And I said, I said, yeah, it is kind of fun. I said, do you think that your contrarian? He said, I wanna be, and I'm like, oh, wow. That's like that's first of all, really incredibly cute. But also that like he's he's recognizing things in himself that he's like gravity personality traits, like defining personality trait. Yes. And what I'm noticing is that my other son is completely different completely different, which to me is is like the most when I when I think about the differences between my two children, it is probably the most inspiring aspect of the human spirit that I can think of that. Like no matter who they are genetically bio chemically, which is almost I completely identical because the progeny of to to the same people and they have essentially the same. Nurture as well that they could be two completely different. Human beings says so much about like the, I don't know, just the the in the incredible complex at implicity and originality of each one of us. Yeah. And that we are imbued with something that is greater than the sum of our parts. Yeah, like I don't think it's metaphysical or other worldly, but we, they have spirit like they just have some character to them. Right, right. Out of the gate. Yeah, really while it's it's all an all I all we can do, or at least I feel like all we can do is give them the best, give them the tools to be the best versions of of themselves and allow for them to just become whatever that particular thing is stay tuned for more armchairs. And if you. We are supported with love and affection by fab fit, fun Monica. You just got your fab fit, fun fall box today. I got it today and you sent me a picture I did because I was so excited because there was a mineral hand cream in there that was specifically limited addition and love limited edition. I love it so much that fun boxes are subscription box. 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I, I'd allies about you, but one of them is this really funny thing you did name see, I had to be told about it, and then I went and looked up pitchers of you just state your observation about what happens to actors on sitcoms that annoyed you. I always noticed that people would get better looking as years would go. Actually friends is a great example are, although that was incredibly attractive cast in the very beginning. But you know that all of a sudden they're now famous and rich, and they have better diets, and they have stylists, and they care a little bit more to and they have a little bit more time and money to maybe they have better teeth. Right? And and I just thought, well, our our show has always been sort of the anti sitcom and and beyond that it wouldn't. It's not realistic to the way that the characters treat themselves their hall IX, and they're, they're horrible human beings. And if they live with that kind of stress that they would start to look terrible. And then beyond that, I will say a step beyond that, I found myself in the in the editing room one year and looking at myself in one of the shots. And by the way we shoot sunny universe specific way to where we don't light it very well. It's, it's kinda supposed to look crappy John. And so I remember watching myself and going at one point in the editing room, like I don't look very good. I wonder if we should look for a different take. And as soon as I thought that I I was instantly humiliated because that was that's always been the opposite of what we're trying to do, and I didn't wanna fall into that trap of being. We all I will walk around with certain round of amount of vanity, but I try to. I try actively to destroy that with my show and to and to and to create some level of reality with like what these people would look like. So I decided I can't do this anymore. I'm gonna look as disgusting as I can for next year. I instantly thought of that. And then in the off season, I'm like, how am I gonna do this? Do this without having to go through like hair and makeup and show, and I thought, oh, wow, not we should all do it. Okay. I'm thinking how is win with incredible. It would be if we all put on the whole like fifty pounds and just for entire season and not mention it at all, how bizarre, which by the way his happened in my friendship circle at times we will friends myself included fluctuating thirty five forty pounds drinking. Yeah, of course. So. So I pick it to everybody and and. Devito was the only one that was like, no, no, not you. Lose that would be even turn that on its so everybody said, nah, I'm not gonna do that. So I said, would you mind if I did and they short? So I put on sixty pounds. That's tremendous the details of how you did that just ate everything or will originally, I try to do it as six. I tried to be as healthy as possible. So I, I consulted a nutritionist and I'm like, how can I do this in a healthy way and and he and he wrote up this program for me. And I remember trying on the first row yourself program on the first day, it was like, okay, your your, your lunch will be three check and breasts three cups of rice in two cups of vegetables. So. All right. So I'm like trying to muscle this down or can't do it. So I go to my doctor by the way. So I go to my doctor and I'm like, I wanna be. I wanna be monitored through this whole thing. He just for because I think it'd be funny. He's like, okay, so I said, okay, to be, he said, to be clear, this is not funny, don't do don't do this. This is really dangerous and I'm like, I'm gonna do it. So help me. And he's like, okay, I said. What's the healthiest and safest way for me to do this. And he said, there is no healthy way to do it. So I went back to the nutritionist, I that I can't muscle this food down. And I said, what's the caloric intake like of this particular meal? And he was like, you know what? It was like sixteen hundred calories or something, and he was like, seeking either do that, or you can eat too big Macs and Mike. Oh. Sure. So I did. So let's start doing that. So then I had crispy cream donuts every morning. I would eat four of those and then I would have, you know. So instead of doing it the healthy way I did at the healthy, the fun way, but it. But at a certain point, it's not that fun because I'm by the afternoon. I was drinking ice cream, so I would I would take cream and I put it out. I would put it out on the on the counter and in the morning, and then it would melt and then I would. And then I would put like weight gainer like into drink that. Okay, every day go on. And so I was drinking heavily. That was the great excuse to drink wine and and then and then this was the key. This was the key. I found out that cottage so it was like going, it was going okay, but it was going like rather slowly. And I was just like, I felt like it was maybe working. Everyone was like, we're writing to this. It's not happening in Mike, and I only had three months to do it. So they're like, it's this is gonna work and what's going to work. And then I read that cottage cheese, metabolize is really slowly in your stomach. So. So this particular diet was like the last thing you if you eat cottage cheese. The last thing you wanna do is eat right before you go to bed because it just metabolize so slowly. So I was like, that's what I have do. So I started eating cottage cheese in the middle of the night. So I would wake up at like two AM and I would eat this cottage cheese and then I and then and then one week later, after that I came in on a Monday and I just seen the guys on a Friday and I came in on a Monday and for whatever reason it was like I popped there were like. It's all going to work. It's all going to work. This works and I was, yeah, I went from about like one sixty two to to twenty. You know it. So I, it's so rare that two people would share this experience. But I did the same thing for eighty accuracy. And I didn't see a doctor and the the part where it it got a little, I guess concerning was go to sleep at night, wake up in the morning, and I like roll over on like, oh sums under my back with this in lift up my back in. There's Snickers rapper and Twix rapper that I had eaten when I got up to pee in the middle of the night in have no memory of Homer. Simpson walking by like bourgeois alleged us. Yeah, yeah. And. Yeah, but I only gained thirty seven pounds. I went from one eighty two to seventeen in. Did you have like I was like, oh, this is great. The whole time on my this is great. I'm doing this for a role and then it's some point you go, wait. This is for real though. I'm gonna have to lose this. Well, what what I was also doing? So what happened was I I was seeing a lot in my gut, but it wasn't really moving around as much. So I was like, I don't know what to do to to to start moving this wait around. So I start. So I went to a trainer and I'm like, I literally want you to do the opposite of what if I did some like powerlifting so I could get it into my asks and legs and back and stuff. So that's what we started doing like I would go heavy, heavy, heavy weight, but do like two reps and we will get to the point where he was like, look, he was like, I want you to. I wore out fucking one of those step. Yelich step watches and he's like, you need to keep this number full low. Doing the opposite, but he's anytime you get to a set of step anytime you get to a set of steps. I want you to stop and move slowly up the set of steps as you possibly don't get that heart rate. Don't get that heart rate up under any circumstances. So activity is death, death at any point where we were doing like even like the heaviest lifting. We wouldn't do more than two or three reps of anything because it was just get my heart rate up. And then my doctor, my doctor was like, hey, man, like just just recognize that that's probably good because you don't want that heart rate getting too high because we don't rescue bodies to. So so I'm going in for regular checkups and and it's all this is the craziest part is that my blood pressure was fine. My blood sugar was fine that's hard to, but I got a fatty liver. Ooh, so I was like, okay, so fatty liver. Walk through through that now where we out dock and he's like, what? You know, it's not good. All again reiterate not funny, not not fun. I don't find funny. It's not great. And I was like, well, how long. I said, I said, by the way. We said something about like, Well, I I was a Christian bale Christian bale goes from like one hundred ten pounds in the machinists, Batman, and he's like back and forth back and forth. And he goes low. I, this guy's at cedars like hypocritical if I can't say much, but I can say this, I know Christian Dr. Okay, that is not healthy. What he's doing to himself. He's not like you should not be looking at him as a para gone of health star. Yeah, the north star now in terms of his like acting ability, and I'm like, look, DACA. I don't need to hear. Hollywood. Everybody's got an opinion on on on like just don't give me a shift, just healthier. That you and I both are like my Brian getting not going to get to the acting level the physical thing? Yeah, I can do deniro in raging bull. I can't do the acting exactly minimally getting the way I can do the stunt. Yeah, you know. So so anyway, I wound up with fatty liver, which then subsequently went away when I when I stop at losing weight was was easy because I stopped. I mean, I think I was I was drinking essentially almost four thousand calories a day or thirty eight hundred somebody that a day night stop by just stopped and you didn't have kids yet. That's probably part of. Did you had I had a one year old? Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't interfere anything. Well, you know, that's the the the, the thing that having a child that that people don't tell you besides that, it's like the most miserable thing experience that you can have. Both, which I try to tell as many people as possible, like it is literally the most miserable thing you can do. It will ruin and destroy your life better at that brush over that we, but it's true. Sure. And yet it ruins the life you have exactly exactly. And I think you just have to come to terms with that. Once you do then everything is ease. Easier after that. But again, like look what we're circling. So yet for me, losing the life, I had to be on another adventure into. Be curious in in like it's all wrapped up in like why you'd wanna know what it's like to feel to be two thirty. Yeah, right. Like isn't that like isn't there a romantic element to that whole transformation show will just a completely new experience? Yes, yes. And I, it's, it's, it's the the pain is in the holding on to what you to what your old thing life was, or an expectation of what you thought it was gonna be right. And once you conserve and I find that in all aspects of my life, if I can shed that, then the actual thing, whatever that particular thing is is always a one, a great opportunity to experience something new the so anyway, what they also don't don't tell you is that you're spending so much time at home that there's not a lot to do except drink. Right? I like that's not something that you sure were partaking in. I loved that picturing like year one euro. Pulling a knife off the counter and you can't even run to help you get your heart rate. Yeah, yeah. And I just sort of let him do whatever it he's learning experience, but the alcohol honestly was helpful because there's so much sugar and so I would and because I was gaining so much weight so quickly, my tolerance was was skyrocketing too. So I could drink a bottle and a half, two bottles of wine night. I was like, Andre, the giant where I'm just like putting booze back and leg Vartan loving. And by the way, the strongest I've ever been in my life, I was going to gonna be there. There was a point where you got really strong. Yes, fucking loved it. I was always because maybe this is again why I'm now even now more fascinated with men's physiques because when I was younger, I didn't hip Uber till I was like sixteen, so I didn't have the when all my friends were like, jocks. I didn't have the ability to. Create a body like, and then by the time I was in my late teens and twenties, I was just smoking cigarettes and like I just didn't. I just care drinking coffee. Right. And so that Matt then as I grew older and I was like, oh, wow, I can actually now maybe transformed my body. I had this weird thing up until my mid twenties, where I was resigned to the fact that like, oh, genetically, if I look at my the shepherds for three generations, we have guts that I'm not. I like genetically. I will never have a six pack, but then I found out that I could. And that was like this weird breakthrough. I'm like, oh, you actually can make your turn your body in any shape that you set out to that felt very powerful in that. That's that's. That's exactly right. So that was the overwhelming feeling that that I had throughout that process. And then directly afterwards was, oh, if I, if I devote a a tremendous amount of time and effort and energy to something I can accomplish that goal, I mean you for as as silly as it is. Sure. I've changed my body dramatically in four months and then changed it again when I lot when I lost the way and because I became so strong and I was never strong before. I became for whatever reason I was. I could bench press a tremendous amount of weight, which is so sad that I in my thirties was so proud of how much I could bench press. Would you tell Lou when you got home from the gym? Like what up salute? Absolutely. And I would take videos of look look at this and she's like, that's three heights. One time. One time. One time I was at the gym. It was in century city and it's right by the FOX lot. And at one point I was bench pressing and there was like every once in a while, like obviously women don't give a flying FOX, and most men don't give a fuck, but there's a repellent, but there are some men in there. So at one point I like finish a sad, you know, like grunting and the whole deal, and I and I and Michael Irvin. Do you know Michael. Okay. Hall of fame football player of the Dallas Cowboys walked by and he looks at me and he looks at the plates and he looks back at me and he goes damn, kept walking, and I was like, that's it. That's all I, that's all I needed. Although Caitlyn admitted to me that there were and I'm sure it would have expired, but that she did. She got into a little bit. When you are big strong haw. Yeah, I would. Yeah, had like a thick of real thick frame. I was muscling award hog. You were. Like a superpower for fat, like. Very old obese pit bull. Yeah, you know, but like but ready to die. Not not at sinewy muscle, you know? No, no one last fight left in one, my Gillam win, but he's going to die in our after the fun. Yes, so that but it was. It was. It was just, it was an overall and I felt great, and I think I can. I just suggest that it's really you and I are both pretty drawn to control. Yes, right. That's one hundred percent. And that really I to be able to actually control what you eat, how often you work out, how many reps me said how much weight all this ship? Yeah, it's just all control that that that's why I guess I was a little reticent to talk about discipline because they feel like I feel like they're, that's virtue. It's really rude. Yes. Yeah. And I and I, because I talked to a lot of people about about it because because yes, it's looked at as virtue and oftentimes will look at it as as a vice. You know, we'll selfish ultimately. Absolutely. And it's about it's so much of it is rooted in me, controlling my environment. Uh-huh. And the and I recognize that I can't control my environment. So what I what I can't control is my self and I think that's why so many of the things you'll lay out for me like some system you've enacted in your life. It's so appealing to me always. I'm like, oh yeah, there's some even when you took me in your basement, I almost cream gene. Look, this physical area you've constructed that is single purpose, which is still like change your body, whatever direction you wanna go. There's that area for that. There's this weight that machine and I'm like, yeah, it went way beyond just the appeal of the room. I was like, yes, this is a chamber for control you get in here and it's like clock in when I walk into that room. I, it's hard to describe. I'll do it. Like in the middle of the night, I'll be like, oh, I forgot to turn the light offers something. I'll run all run down there and I'll I'll feel something. I don't know what it is. I feel like a rush of adrenaline or the, it smells very specific. You know, not it's like a rubber rubber smell and I'm like, I don't know what when did. I is not like a like a meat head because I'm not right. I'm certainly not athletic. It's just there's something about there's some. It's just control. Yes, vice, I'm not believe me. It's not something I'm proud of. I want to say something really quick because I think it's okay and healthy to recognize that a bad quality has a counter good quality that it's not one thing. Right? So you have control issues, but the good side of that is disciplined, which I think is a good thing. When you're thinking about your bad qualities that if you'd removed that bad quality, you'd remove a good quality to that most bad qualities have a double edge. It's a, it's a coin. Sure, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes. I mean it in the same way that like fear. I mean, you can look at it. Yeah. Anything anything taken to the extreme can be dangerous. Yeah. So like I mean, there's it's okay to have a healthy amount of fear or healthy amount of insecurity or healthy mount of, you know, even confidence or aggression to a certain extent. You know, it's just when it's then then there's aspects of that obviously that are detrimental. I don't think the day has passed, and she showed me your basement gym that I haven't thought about it like we left there. And I said to Kristen, that little trick may have just cost me a lot of money because I need a little area like that in my life, but just perfectly swear. Everything's in its place well, and there's a slot. I'm everything there's and there's a ju jitsu area. Right? And so to me, and here's another thing that I love about you jitsu or any like discipline like it, it's insanely humbling insanely humbling. So when I think about that particular space, what I think about isn't isn't, oh, I think about all the times where I've like roll the somebody there were, I've like one. It's actually all the times that I've gotten the shit kicked out of me and there's something really liberating. About that, right? Which is like, I doesn't matter. You can try try and control. I can control my own body when I'm lifting weights such say or running or trying to gain weight or lose weight. But when I'm rolling with say Steve decastro your FOX on FOX, no matter, I can't control him. All I can do is try to keep try to keep up your you broke. My ribs just play fighting. I guess something interesting about failure. When it happens in you can like own it. Not in a weird way as our fear of events in our heads are so uncomfortable. And then when you actually experience the thing you're terrified of and you recognize, oh, I'm still here and everything's still fine. There's there is something like I had this moment when we were testing chips. Penon I went down. This warm were mid tasks. We decided that we were going to test like a forty in foul. We're like, this audience hates this. It's over. We will never get to make a movie. Again, we're, we've embarrassed ourselves. There was five minutes of us chatting about how bad we shift the bed. And then there was about twenty five minutes of euphoria where we like, oh my God, it's over. We're done. We never tried to get approval again. Here we are. We did as bad as you can do. There was some bizarre elation that accompanied the huge failure that I was just like, oh, I've finally been exposed for the thing. I was afraid I was going to be, and I'm going to continue on in life in that's going to be fine. And then we tested higher than we had and we were completely wrong and they either back in your life. Ated my book is full. Once again, you have boys. I'm now around a lot a little boys as we go to play dates or whatever. And this is no excuse for how we behave. I'm not making excuse for how men behave, but when you're around little boys in you recognize what they're just program to do. It's pretty stark. It's pretty obvious. We have some wiring that makes us want to destroy everything and conquer another boy, it's just in there and. Our society. Thank God is evolved so far away from our useful wiring. But you brought up earlier that you need that you need to be able to let that aggression out. And I just wonder as we evolve and as we should evolve in our expectations, get higher and higher of men as they should. I don't hear anyone proposing how we deal with this kind of bad wiring. In this poison we have in her body, which is testosterone will like we're not going to get a new biology because our cultures of all in so it isn't it a little imperative that we have some kind of outlets and we have something to do with this programming to fight another fucking group males coming into steel. Everyone's kids, you know? Yes. And finding finding ways to transmute it. Yeah, because we can pretend like it's not there yet. Yeah, I just that's what I'm nervous about is that we're going to pretend that it's not there? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm, I'm doing my best to recognize that it's have those failings and that I know that my boys will have those feelings and that we have to figure out ways in which we can in which we can use that and and change it into something else. Judo the it of. Yeah, yet turn it into something productive. Yes, because it is. I think people need to be thinking about what that is. Obviously, sports stuff's great for kids, but I wasn't in a team sport, so I was out, you know, winning glory in a car parking lot doing donuts or whatever the hell I did or fighting whatever the thing was be. I think we need some kind of constructive way in Monica Abbott. We also don't know because this is the first generation of kids that are going to have their parents really be cognizant of what they're telling their boys. I think. Mike, we haven't had that up until now were boys are being fed a very specific moral instruction on what to do with women right now, will you'd hope but I don't. I don't know how in my even greater fear is that you're just saying to the boy, don't ever do this, this, this and this, and you're not going, but look, dude, I know how you're feeling like from the time he turns twelve to eighteen you're thinking about, yeah, coming in some way or another uncontrollably, and just the -ssume that this unformed brain is gonna take in that info can affect their Hornets or something is just, you know? Yeah, I think we need more radical than just you shouldn't do this to me. It just feels like telling young boys who are Catholic, not to masturbate all your newness setting up some scenario where they're going to be like guilt ridden in shamed for being what they are again. Yet when I on us going through this with our son right now where wh- we've noticed a marked difference in his behavior when we just in the way that we respond to his freak out. So for example, for for a very long time, he wakes up, he says, I don't want to go to school. I, I hate it. I don't wanna go. Don't wanna go and we're like, all right, great. You gotta go to school. Everybody's got a tough shit, you know, like come on. That's just the reality of life. And so then he would react accordingly, right? Being contrarian. And he would fight along the way, but then eventually he would go to school, but just like the simple we want talking to therapists and at one point therapist was like always be on his side, no matter no matter what don't invalidate what he's saying. So for example, if he says, I, I really wanna I feel like I wanna punch Leo right now. I would normally that's our youngest son, I would normally say, you can't hit. No, that's wrong. Don't hit Leo. And then it would just build and build and build and what the therapist was saying was like, no, he knows he's not supposed to hit Leo what, what the best way to handle that is to say, oh, wow, that's that's a strong feeling. I know what that feels like. That feels terrible, that that must feet make you feel like. That you're, I've see very angry like something's making super angry and and that makes you want to punch something. I get that again then and then literally walking away and I'm like, well, how's he gonna? Learn that he shouldn't be hitting his little brother. Yeah. And and the therapist like he knows that he's not supposed to hit his little brother. What he's telling you is I feel something and he wants God, which is essentially me scenario since he's eight years old to tell him, it's okay to feel something, but what it's not okay to do is then react the way that you're pitching the way that you're gonna react and since he already knows that because you've laid those lay that foundation, just try that and see what happens when I shit you not the kit. I mean, like within a couple of weeks of just almost treating every scenario like that. I'm going to always be on your side. I am going to validate how you're feeling by saying I understand or even just recognizing it, I will never validate your action. All right. Based on what you, you know that that based on how you're feeling I'm going to, I'm feeling this of, therefore I'm going to do that. That's not okay. And, and that and but but but it can't. We can't start to transmute unless we're validating what's going on inside of them. So I think that's what you're saying, which is right recognizing that, yes, it is. It is not right and is wholly inappropriate for a lot of these men to be acting the way that we are all acting at. But we have to recognize that we are certainly feeling some of these things. There are biological imperatives that are in side of us and what we need to recognize that and figure out ways in which we can transmute it. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Someone's probably got some strategy out there that we don't know about cell you you made. It's not. You mean it's not like a couple of a bunch of actors like that are going to. I wouldn't put it past us. So according to Twitter, we have lots of opinions too many too many need to stick to acting slow. We're told you, so you got you through on grounds. I agree on that by the way I was just having this conversation on Saturday. Okay. I think we should stick to our to our acting. You do. I think I agree with you. Fifty percent and disagree. The view to present is go ahead and tell me why. Well, first of all, I think it's counterproductive. Well, first of all, it depends on it depends on the messaging that you're trying to get through on the on the the social media. I certainly would not advocate for anytime that it's a message of inclusion or love, or you're not alone, or I'm with you, or there's a community out there for you that is open arms and putting that message out into the world. And so the individual can read that and accept that. I think that's wholly positive, and I completely understand that and I feel like that is beneficial to the world. Yeah, I think any kind of sticking your flag in the ground and saying, this is how I feel about any particular subject, and this is how you should feel because it's right, I think is ultimately whether it's right or wrong, I think, is counterproductive. And I think it doesn't. I, I think it doesn't work. I think it's evidence over the last few years of a lot of people in our. Community who have who have made their opinions abundantly clear and will almost singular they've made their opinions. Yes. Yeah. And and and so the argument right on the other side is you have somebody say, hey, man, you're an actor, you're not. You're not entitled to an opinion. I don't wanna hear her, right, right. And I think what what we tend to do is we hear that and we say, well, wait a second. I'm an American, right? I'm entitled to an opinion just like you and I ultimately, I don't think that the criticism that's coming from that particular person is is you are not that your opinion isn't validated. I think what's I think what's underlying is what they're saying is you're breaking the social contract. We're already giving you the platform. We're watching your movies, we're watching TV shows. We're listening to your music. We that are escaped from all this, yes or and or if you're changing hearts and minds, I feel like it's incumbent upon us to do it with in the. Platform that we have been given by that by said, community on your show, do it in my show, do it in your music, do it on your you know doing and you're writing do it in your acting. I feel like way more has been done for the, let's say, the gay civil rights movement through through willing willing grace Bry you know, than or modern family than has anybody on Twitter telling you that you have to vote for gay marriage because it's there's some moral imperative. And I think it's because we have the ability to change hearts and minds through empathy and as opposed to throw oriented. Yes and story as opposed through teaching lessons. And what was happening is that I think people feel like, wait a second. It's unfair that we've been that we give you this platform to tell your stories, and then you take advantage of this other platform by also telling us how you. You feel all the time, but more that more importantly, how we're supposed to feel so do we have the right to do that? Of course, we have the right to do that, but at the end of the day, is it going to actually benefit the culture or is it going to continue to create a larger divide? And I think it's the, I think it's the latter while I definitely so the bar I agree with a lot of that my own personal reasons for us to tweet a ton of political stuff. And then post-election I stopped because I asked myself very simple question is my voice needed. I, it's so I felt very compelled to be very vocal about gay marriage. And Kristen, I led rallies in, we didn't get married till it was legal, and we felt like that caused needed our voice. And I didn't see a ton of like male actors who had may be like, dude, following. I had like I also the other personnel argue that's done more forgave rights than anyone else's Howard Stern because it doesn't take much Kristen to convince her friends of that. They already think that way. Now, Howard's audience did not think that way they look up to him and he had a rare opportunity to go, no, you guys trust me. Listen, this is fucking nuts in. So in that case, I his platform through his platform. Now, granted his platform is saying his opinion. So it's already different, but I do think in general, you're right that you're not convincing a single person on the other side. It's just not happening. If you could show me some data that the that you are winning over people, I would be probably more in favor of it, but I just think you're further entrenching your own the people in your silo already in in giving more ammo to the people on the other side. So yeah, I, I'm half agreeing with you, but yeah, there are things that I I will get involved with just because I don't. Anyone else's sane and feel some compulsion to because I do have a megaphone, and I wanna use it to say, hey, give money to kids in foster care, you know, while sure. I mean, yes. I mean, there are certain things I, I was a low blow. That was a cheap I take, I guess I'm, I'm thinking I'm thinking more specifically like in political matters. Yeah. Yeah. And I also don't think I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with donating your time efforts, energy and money to causes that you believe in. Of course, I do that. We all we all do that. I guess I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm responding specifically to to Twitter and Facebook. Yeah, and just the spouses of your beliefs and every day you know, reading out how you feel not you, but how set actor feels about Cavanaugh or feels about Donald Trump or feels about? I just at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether whether it's it's right or wrong. It's is it affective? What are you all to do in the point I really agree with you on is that we have the ultimate weapon, which is the most powerful thing for humans is story. In many of us have figured out how to do that. So why not use this incredibly powerful tool. A tweet is not a story. It doesn't have a hero in Taganrog and all these things and beginning middle and end. So yeah, it's not nearly as powerful use your use, your big, heavy Excalibur sword until a story that can move the needle it ultimately, it just feels like it's more it's just more effective and then and then I don't know. Sometimes I wind up talking to people in feels like, well, what are you doing this for them and the cause? Are you doing it because it makes you feel better because it makes you feel more powerful. Right? Because I feel like a lot of feel so powerless right now. Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. And so therefore I'm just gonna spouse my belief in hold that that converts some people. Yeah, and that in. And even though you know that it doesn't, but it makes you feel good and get that little that little response. You know, even some of the negative response that you might get. It might like click into that. Rewards? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, the blinking bells. Well, do you wanna say this season of sunny? It's it's currently out, right? Yes. And yet again, you did something spectacular, which is this time you went the opposite direction and you got incredibly shape. Yeah. Like like you should be a marvel movie. Yeah. And I had the pleasure of working out with you in my far less impressive basement. And I do think I got a little contact high from your fair moans while we were lifting. Yeah. 'cause you really did it. And in fact, I I saw the physique unveiled at your pool and on my way to the pool, I was like, I feel pretty good about swimming today. I'm in pretty good shape. And then I saw you and I mainly said you've got a lot of work to do. You showed up to a gun fight with a stick? Yeah. Yeah. You really did it. It's really something I want a hundred percent. I want a hundred percent. Yeah. I don't know how to talk about this without kind of spoiler spoiling it. The genius behind this is in my opinion is how little you're gonna show it. That's right. Once this is such a comedians joke, I know that everyone will find this is brilliant as it is, but I'm third, minimally six months worth of hard core, not just bodybuilding, but but training as well. We won't say what kind of training. 'cause that's that would give it away. Yeah, but you dedicated six months of your life to something ultimately be displayed for what. Two and a half minutes. Yeah. I mean, look, it was all born out of the same. It was born out of the same kind of fascination that I have with actors and the male physique. And I just got to appoint where I was like, I feel like every movie and television show I seen now. Men are taking their shirts off like normal guys, not of course, look Hemsworth or what you're playing floor or you playing or something that's gotta come on. I'm talking about the guy who's like a chicken delivery guy, you know, in the movie and mechanics, and he knows the actor knows, oh, I'm having a a love scene, so I'm going to get an incredible shape. I'm guilty of this. Okay. The truth is that there's not a human being on earth that has ads unless they are working towards getting apps, right? And generally, chicken delivery guys don't have APs generally, right? All those chicken delivery guy, yeah, or mechanics. I had never met a mechanic with that unless he was really going for that going. That low. So if it's not if it's not a character trait, a guy that's like a gym rat shouldn't look like that. Right. And I-. Gymnasts. Yeah. And I feel like I've been seeing it a lot like all lot is. So I wanted to do. I wanted to do my version of it because I thought it'd be so stupid to do something like that. And generally, when you see the movie. See the guy with his shirt. This physique is like a huge part of you see him and he looks great for the entire movie. And I just thought it'd be funny if I did that. And then I showed off in the first like to inutes of the other characters, think it's really stupid and they don't really even get it. Why did you do it? I did it for you. Why. And I'm like, well, how can we use the body? And they're like, we can't put your shirt back on, and then I put my shirt back on and then never take it off again and and so that I don't know. I just feel like that would be funny, and that's what it's tremendously funny in. Have you gotten any response on Twitter? Like is my hunch true that it's probably ninety percent of the response so far? Is all. It's so depressing. All it's so depressing. All men. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't heard from any women. Yeah. Okay. Couple, but I think mostly mostly mostly it's like it's a little. It's too much. That's what you're hearing from women? Well, I went for a very specific. I went for a very specific body, right? And that was and so, okay. Well, I will say that I hired the greatest guy, Aaron. Bye-bye. Is is the we love? Yeah, he is the trainer of the Hollywood male body trainer and Channing Tatum her love chance body. He does magic. Marin gets all over that body yet. Yeah, Gosling he does all the does. He does. So I and he's also a friend of Steve decastro off offer engine. So I I sit down and. Incheon Boehner on the word play. Those are the things though women comment on. He said, I hope I used to correct. Okay. We'll here. The fact check look enough. So I said, okay, Aaron, I, there's a very specific body that I wanna go for because it because this because I'm trying to do something very specific. It's the male body that I want. He goes, Brad, Pitt fight club. I said, how did you know that goes? Literally, every guy I've ever worked with every guy says, I want Brad, Pitt fight club. Yup. And he goes, go back and watch Brad Pitt in fight club. He is not big. He in fact he's incredibly skinny. Yes, so so skinny. You so Leahey so lean and his frame. It's like he's got a great frame so so he goes, but here's, here's the thing, man, Brad, Pitt looks like Brad. Pitt. Right. And he's like, so, so we're going to, we're going to do this in like, it's just going to be your body right? Like it's gonna be a version of your body, so you said, okay, great. So I'll go for that. And I thought, man, that would be really funny too is like even if you were to get Brad Pitt's body, you still don't have Brad Pitt's face. No, I'm back. You almost need his face to pull off xactly. Yeah, I've been guilty of, yes, yes. So I thought that's even funnier is like that. If one character, if I'm like, don't you see put it side by side. I have the same body is Brad Pitt's. Therefore, I look like Brad, and they're like MAC back. What about the face. The most important literally the Email Morton. Morton part of his body. Kinda not kind of not even close, not even close. Right anyway, I I went for it honestly. When I when I talked to my doctor about about this one because I said, oh, this is like a better version, you know, because I'm gonna be healthier and he's like, this isn't necessarily healthy. You're changing your body in very short amounts of time. It's not necessarily great. You know, like we want to make sure we're monitoring, you're starving for a period of time, promotes longevity. So I disagree with your doctor heat. I don't think the concern was the was the caloric decreasing caloric intake. I think it was the dramatic increase in heart rate that it takes to create that in Israel like three and a half months. And so anyway, I was monitored through through that as well, and it turned out it was all right. Yeah, but, but I definitely felt better when I was fat. You did? Yeah. Yeah. But. But I remember when this all concluded ni- said, do you are you going to keep up this regime this regiment? And you're like, it's it's tempting because you're moving through the world and you say people are responding to you differently? Near forty years old as bazaar to be inhabiting a new body gets just just people can't resist. They're just they're having a reaction to your physical presence. Yes, that's involuntarily and that their vocalizing. So I had the same thing when I was fat, but it was known was known saying so I would I would never. 'cause it was part of the experimental fund from eight lives that I wasn't telling anybody why was doing it. So I would I would see people hadn't seen in a long time and they would sort of like be like talking to me and like I got the sense of what it might feel like to be a wo-. A woman. Yeah, who was like, well, endowed or something like that that they were like looking down at my body as opposed to my eyes because they're trying to sneak peek of what's going on. Happening with and then I'm like, oh yeah, like women, no. Oh, right. They can see, I'm watching you watch my body like, and so I I would be like, you know, things are good. You know, like, oh, he's like, he looks terrible. He's so fat, but but when I'm when I got really get shape, it was a point of conversation with every person that I talked to would. It would instantly. I kind of felt like I can't say for sure what it's like to be in recovery, but I can say that my friends who are in recovery, I notice that a lot of people will come to you with like, they're, especially if they're drinking out a bar or something, they'll come to you and be like, man, I know I'm drinking too much. I gotta maybe like getting under control. I I, I would hear from almost every single person in my life. They would come up. They all man, you look great. You look at your in pretty good shape, and I really got it when he working what's routine because I really gotta get jam. I thought about maybe getting into shape and I'm like, I don't care. Guys get in shape or don't, but or how did you do? I run three miles a day work out five times a week with a trainer. I eat right. I mean secret, but this was what was kind of cool about it to working with Aaron because Aaron does this for a living. He's like things that in real life, like aspects of your body in in real life that you would think traditionally are what like, look cool in a male physique don't necessarily play on on camera on camera. I e pit probably a hunt. He probably weighed like one hundred fifty pounds in that movie so skinny. Yeah. Like really it's not about size. It's about a symmetric, right? And so creating the right frame, I can't believe we're talking about this. So this is the this is exactly why did it in the first place because this conversation is so fucking lame to me. Anyway, Aaron was like, this is what you want to do is build this Bill that and don't worry about this. And the first thing he said to me would broke my heart was we're not gonna do any chest. Yeah. Yeah. The chest doesn't matter that all my. That's my thing I can. I can bench press so much. I don't care how much you could bench press like, but this is how I impress people. He's like, no one is impressed. I'm like, Dax, is. Oh, drives me nuts. You can be about this conversation is it's it debunks this new notion that men don't have body image issues. Oh hundred percent. I have more of szeswith it. We don't give very much credit to men's body issues, but they're real will. That is, what's funny is is we're very well aware of the the way that Hollywood does obscure, fuck up women's expectations of their body. But every little boys playing with GI Joe doll get to is the same. They have the exact same proportion is sworn sniggered it, you know, like you definitely is a little boy. You wanna grow up and look like, you know. Yet, I'm thinking you may not ever be able to localize. So to me, it was it was it was filling it was satisfying insofar as I could justify it all the way through I was doing the most vein thing I could do right when he was like create this like perfect male physique, and I was getting all the benefits of that. But also I could justify it all the way through by saying I'm making fun of this. Yeah, right. So that like so that I'm an Caitlyn's like really are you and Charlie was like, why are you doing this man? Is this actually like because you're making fun of it or because you wanna look like this? I'm like, I, if I'm being one hundred percent honest, I don't know, but I can't. I can't extricate myself from the reality of the situation. So why can saying that? Actually, what happened? You started off in on the joke. Yeah. And then you ended not in a joke, and that's what makes it even fun. Because I I, like I said to you, like I, there is something intoxicating about looking better and feeling better and well, though I was like, oh, I'm going to this other show I'm doing. I'm like, I'm going to gain the weight again. I, I'm not. I don't wanna do it. Yeah, there is something about that feels good, and then there's just something inherently. I'm just competitive. And so I- one of the things that would help motivate me was was was being like, okay, you do the same routines as like Channing or or Ryan, and it'd be like, okay, all right. You know it was like this, like pull up push up, squat retain, right? And and he'd be like, okay, well chant does this in twenty five minutes? And I'm like, fuck. I'm gonna beat Chan, you know, like if I can beat Channing Tatum than therefore what. It's still the same problem. I still don't look like Jimmy gonna say like, we're really just doing this because we, we are stuck with these fucking face. Exactly. I'm never gonna look like Channing. I'm never going to look like Brad, nobody. You're babe. So don't be. Yeah. Well, rob mcclenny I hope you come back because I'm also curious how you're so seemingly self actualize involve yet. You don't to my knowledge. You're not in a twelve step program and you're not. No, you don't do regular therapy right now. Yeah, but I have a guesses fucking Jesuit thing maybe could be could be have it. We having winning a chance to talk about. I feel like I've talked about myself too much while I was my obsessed with you, but but yeah, before you go, let's just say that one of the loves of my life is your wife. She so spectacular, incredible, she, you really got lucky. I'll grand slam. Yeah, a grand slam. Yeah, really just fell into your lap to. Yeah, she auditioned for shell dish in for sunny. Yeah, you're one of the examples I use when I say we'll people should be able to date in the workplace. Would we say we can't not have people of while the fuck gonna meet somebody? Yep. Well, we wound up with two children because of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I look up to her. She's changed my life and in in too many ways to count somebody who is so singularly both good at something that is just intoxicated. Well, yes. So this is what I was going to get at is that you're a tremendous comedic writer in Europe. Great comedic show runner you on a stage next to kaitlin. She's gonna mop you up. Blow me away as a performer. She has infinitely better than you right yet. I would say about my wife. Yeah, without a doubt. Yeah. I mean, I would say that about every member of the cast. I mean, that was I never thought of myself. Funny, I this, this was never my intention. I did not want to do this right, and I just sort of fell into it and then surrounded myself with incredibly funny people and Caitlyn is to me the funniest woman in the business I describe her yet is, is Julia Louise drivers? It. To me. Julie's drivers is the number one because she. Can pull anything off. I believe anything. She's doing fashion. Oh Louise I now, what is this Julie Lee jewelry Louise? We just did it right now. Okay. Okay. Julia Leoni. Hi, Dr. Realtime fact check. Yes, she's incredible. And I think of Caitlyn, I told her when she was on the first episode of the MAC, I was like, forget it. If you turn her loose, she can do everything. Yeah, and she's beautiful. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I, I remember being in high school and falling in love with with Elaine Bennis, you know? And because she was just so I mean, she was just so original and so funny and I'd never seen anything like that before all due respect to the cast of friends who I think. I mean, Lisa Kudrow is incredibly funny. It was just something that like that Julia Louis confidence that was doing on that show that I was like, I fell in love with that idea. And then I never really thought about it again. And then and then I met my wife and I was just watching heard, do. And we were friends for a while as we were cast mates on the show, and I was just watch her and just be mesmerized by somebody who is is just so singularly great at something. Yeah. And and and so confident and she has that thing where she just never she cheat. She is constantly trying to get better and questioning the decisions she's making in questioning whether this is the right path or questioning, but she's never questioning her own a ability. No, she can get there. It's just what's the path to get there. That's that's so attractive. Yeah, and she's also incredibly compassionate nymph ethic and great from giving and just a great just. Yeah, everything that I want to be. Yeah, I, I mean, she, she fills in so many of the emotional gaps that I have and deficiencies and and really has helped me and continues to help me. We'll continue to help me. Be a better person. How can I? How do you find a better partner than that? Yeah, you got to have a partner who's who's crushing Samaras of of their life that you're not. So you can aspire to kind of it's good to live with an example that you can grow towards. I think, yeah. I mean, wake up every day and look at this person and say, I wanna if I can be more like her in so many ways and everyone rally over you happy? Yes. Real world will be a better play, like my immediate world will be a better place if I can be more like this human being who is directly in front of me, it's like this guiding light. Yeah, principle that I love to dismantle with logic because that's not her strong suit now. Right? Well, arguments will win. That's right. Win these arguments and I'll leave and go, I'm right. But somehow she's still a better person. That means fucking right. That's right. I, I will. We'll have intellectual, right? Like because that's how feel superior, right? Like I'll I'll I'll bully her into a corner intellectually and be like, okay, now what do you think about that? And she'll say, I suppose that you've, I suppose you one. Right? How does that? You know? She's like feel better that diminish me intellectually. I'm like, I feel worse. I want. She has a, I'm sorry, I'm taking up too much. You know she had. She has this wonderful ability to win a fight every time. Oh, by taking the higher road. But her higher road is is really like devious and manipulative. So will be in a fight and I'll think, okay, she's gonna. Tell me to go sleep in the other room and you know, get the fuck away from me or, you know, she's gonna be miserable and and we have this thing where in our bedroom, I like it. It's just very stereotypical. I like it freezing and she likes it much warmer optical tropical. So this just happened not that long ago where we were in this big fight and I'm like, fuck you, fuck you. I hate you, whatever this miserable. And she goes up to the room and I'm stay downstairs and I'm stewing in the Mike God. I gotta go up there and you know she's going to be hot, and then I gotta go make up or whatever. And I go up there and the room is sixty. Seven degrees had turned all the way down to make it perfect for me, right? Which is really sweet. No, which. That's right. My heart, my heart like melted because I was like this human being did something kind for me, which is which is incredible. But also she completely outwitted me in every way like checkmate Judd. I Jedi Knight and then because of that, I have so much more respect because she's she's winning. She winning every aspect emotionally intellectually. I mean in in every way. Yeah, yours TJ grunting around. Yeah. Like an knocking this door down, Matt, good squat. These of fifteen watching you. The basement, but play. Well, rob Magal Henny of course you're wrong. You're great guest. You're one of a handful of idols. I have and I hope you don't do anything to fuck up that status. That's a lot of pressure. Good a pressure. That was my goal. I appreciate. I love you too. I love. I love our time together. I love talking to you. Thank you for having me. Oh honored to be here. You'll come back and we're going to do a show where we do like Decca and TRAN with all these different steroid lunches get. Let's get Jaffe men. Let's get on a couple of horses at the pinnacle of it. Shred, what no one takes into account is like, yeah, you can put on any given time. You could put sixty pounds of muscle on your tendons aren't getting any different now, same tendons that'll be hold six muzzle the Stallone movie, expendable spendable 's I'm like, yes, the guys, the older guys they've somehow managed to stay fucking Jack. But if you notice they're not moving quickly any yell, so there's still imposing, but there's no sprinting anymore. The fights are very slow methodical because those tenants just are getting any healthier. No. But anyway, I think about you can beat up your dad. Yeah, I, I think so. I think I could probably at this point I can take. All right, you. I love you to come back and now my favorite part of the show the fact check with my soulmate Monica path. Men. Never want most fact check finding. Hi. Ya. Monico was fast as lightning. Peter do, and we will fact check finding. Monica was fast as light name do do do I loved that another for another arm cherry request. I have a question about these requests. Okay. Are they when they request? Are they telling you what to say sometimes? Yes, sometimes, no. In this case? Yes. They took the time to actually write out the what lyrics I thought they did such a good job related. Predominantly, they don't do that. That's why so many of them stink when I knew them. Pairing? Yeah, you're doing it on the fly of wide, really checking to see if the syllables match. Oh, the rhythms there, no rhymes anymore. Now. Molly human. This person did a great job. It really did. I mean, the part that killed was Monica was fast as lightning. Everyone was fact check finding delete in the league to the Monica was fast as light mean they even added the high enough. In fact, this is from Anthony Melle Donata Mel Donau Mel DeNardo now do not. Oh on Twitter, Anthony, Melvin nano. Thank you for the now. DeNardo. Oh my God. There's even a heave -cluded up of video with the lyrics. I can't touch announced screen. Yeah, this ant, Tony really thought this out, and I thank you, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tiggy you know, I'm nervous that I know this person really because someone in my high school last name was Maldonado and now I can't remember what his first name was Mark so knows not. Oh, okay. Sure. Anthony doesn't go. Oh, by Mark Kay, a lot of people named Anthony. Go by Mark. That's true. It's a common nickname Komen. Do you understand you use? You blew right. Pass it in the intro that you're saying Philadelphia wrong says you. Well, no says says, Pfaff ax, does it fruit. That's true. And says, spelling. Tomato tomato, all Philadelphia. Philadelphia, I guess I'm like wondering where the or came from why you're Philadelphia noses filled Delfi. What are you say? Rob? It's Philadelphia with the e. Oh, forgive me for breathing. I'm sorry, everyone in phila- belt Dale FIA toil. Your testy. Rob? Yeah. Robbie, rob, not wabi. Sabi. Different. Rob, rob mcelhinney. Yeah, he is a hard last name to spell. It's nearly impossible incredibly hard to spell bell. Spelt it wrong ally, and I'm very good at spelling, brag ember, one. Okay. So he said he said he thinks was one hundred. There's been a hundred sixty episodes of always sunny. There's been a hundred and forty four. You know, what is he probably sixteen in the Cam now at this includes the ten for the season also. Okay. Just one more attempt to defend him 'cause alum so much. They I think they ordered three seasons at once. So in his mind, he probably knows they're doing once. I don't know. That's my guess. But anyways, one one forty. What'd you say mon- forty, four pretty darn good guys. Yeah, pretty good per damn presses in do some quick math that seventy two hours of content to many to seventy two one forty, four. Oh, is it half hour to half hour at at legal drama. Okay. So you said Larry, David made eight hundred million dollars. His net worth was rumored to be eight hundred million. Okay, so it's not like that wasn't his like sick when openness mail mailbox and have a check inside that said an owner. Now he didn't earn eight hundred ninety do get checks like that because the way they sell syndication is they'll sell like a five year blocks indication in some. Like I remember the one I remember was was seventy show the first cycle sold for like seven hundred eighty million dollars. People get checks for hundreds of millions of dollars, but he was on Howard Stern and Howard asked about that rumor and he said, the reports are insane in. It's nothing like that. It's not. It's not nearly that amount. It wouldn't say exact numbers, but he said it's so untrue. Half of it went to his divorce. Okay. All right. Do you think he is a lot of money though? Yes, I think Larry, David has a lot of money I do, but it's good for me to say that because eight hundred million is a rumor, and he has saying that's not true, but he also he's including, of course his net worth is how much money. And so he is not that I heard was like he made eight hundred million on Seinfeld, right? That's not free. No, that's the whole point what I'm saying. He didn't make eight home. Same Howard said you're rumored to have one hundred million dollars, and he said, that's crazy, isn't even close to it. I gave half to my wife. Your your net worth is rumored at eight hundred million is what he said. Yeah, then that's that was the rumor. It wasn't like you. He the rumor? Was he made that on Seinfeld? Rumor I heard was that he made on a million dollars on Seinfeld. Okay. That's not the. That's not the universal. We both could be correct right now. So he could made PHI. He could've made eight hundred million dollars Seinfeld. He could've given half of that money to his ex wife. And then Howard said your net worth is were is eight hundred million. He go, no, that's not even close to my net worth is because it's half of that because he gave half to his wife. So all things could be true. His net worth can be not nothing. Confirming that he made eight hundred million on Seinfeld. Paul k. Great. Okay. So he left after the seventh season, and then he came back to write the series finale ler David. James Gandolfini was thirty seven when when the pilot aired of sopranos awhile guy thirty seven not rhesus. Sorry. Rob, you know any minded insane. You just said he was thirty seven when aired could have been thirty so when they shot it. Yeah, that's all. That's all I know. Okay. So you said the reason that we aren't attracted to our siblings is due to some olfactory sense in there was a study into thousand seven. It looks like the about this and but they that was with animals. They tended to avoid mating a based on recognizing specific smells, but they couldn't really. They couldn't really attribute that to humans. So there's this west or Mark hypothesis, which is a Finnish sociologist, who I noted in in a book published in eighteen eighty nine that children reared together do not often end up being sexually attracted to each other. It was like the first person to say that and there's different hypotheses. This of why these different cues. Like if you saw, if you saw that person getting reared by your mother, then you then that's like a cue. That's a cute not be attracted, but then they said that it would only work for a first sibling. So this, but for younger siblings who would have no opportunity to make this operation. Another Hugh might be the amount of time spent living with another child was interesting. Now, granted, I wasn't scenario for Wong, but I definitely was attracted to my stepsister. Then I observed all those things. I've served my mom carrying for her and not like nursing, not like from infancy and intimacy didn't nurse my steps. Right. I think that's an indicator of why this does make sense because that person just came in to your life. You didn't see them. You didn't grow up with them, and then all of a sudden they became attractive to you. We'll even I was attracted to her at school and she became. My stepsister. Oh yeah, this is nothing loudest. And this is now in the case of the Israeli Hibbert sim, collective farms kibbutz kibbutz. Didn't Seth say he is that we? Yeah, parents lived on a kibbutz Ciano. Well, in this case, children were reared somewhat communally in peer groups based on age, not biological relation study of the marriage patterns of these children. Later in life revealed that out of the nearly three thousand marriages that occurred across the system only fourteen were between children from the same peer group of those fourteen none had been reared together during the first six years of life. This result suggests that the west remark affect operates during the period from birth to the age of six also supports my olfactory theory. I read. Do around all these people. So they imprinted even though they weren't biologically related. Printed the people around nonstop, right? So, yes, this is room, we members, but but it might not have to do with it might very well might have to do with the smell or just might have to do with what they're saying. Proximity. When proximity during this critical period does not occur. For example, when a brother and sister are brought up separately, never meeting one another, they may find one another highly sexually attractive when they meet as adults at a lessening according to the hypothesis of genetic sexual attraction, and a lot of pornos that are out there. Sure, sure. Why not? Save. Can you think I've talked about it on here? I don't think so. Have I said not generally interest in pornography. I can't buy into the fact that the women are actually see saying on this episode. Oh, no, a home. It's funky. Okay. There you go. Yeah, I don't really like porn, but you have like a Goto that you go. You like a video? I mean? Oh, no, no, no. There was there was a video at one point I would circle back to because it reminded me of sexual encounter. I had had. It wasn't really the video itself as much as it reminded me of real of it. Oh, how do people do that? Do do people have a video that's like their video, their will onto where they can watch it in their head and stuff I, I can't really speak for. I don't think so. I think it's all about like quantity. Okay. Is it just got away any now? Like in the old days when you're younger yet, you get your hands on one or two porno tapes. Rhino VHS, porno tapes. So then yes, they probably you had a favorite tape and you certainly had a favorite scene in the. So yeah, you'd watch that scene over as one and I'd seen, yeah, couple hundred times. But now at the end, our net it's just a glut of images. Wow. Yeah, general degradation. It's rough. Okay. Steve decastro comes up a lot in this episode. Help people who is because no one you, you guys just keep saying his name, but he's just, yeah, decastro is a stunt man, stunt coordinator and director, and he stunt coordinated hit and run, and he stunt coordinated chips, but also acted in brothers, Justice, first movie, you beat me up yet. He did. I hated having to pretend I was that much of a wimp. That leads us to our next point. We're walking through the forest. Look. Another point. Oh, this cherry led me to the chair voice. This cherry was year. Yeah, masculinity. Oh, right. This'll be a great time to bring up the movie we were going to because I forgot. But when I was listening back, it is it is a, it's a lot of conversation about masculinity and men and bodies. And yes. Yeah. And we have had just watched the mask. You live him to masculine documentary about masculinity and where it really comes from and why we have societally this obsession with men. Yeah. And how much we just beat it into little boys. Heads and girls. Yeah, every unity one. Yeah. Our maybe someone's beaten and a girls heads too, but both. I think that's the point is everyone is falling into this trap that men should be. This boy should be. This girl should be this, but but the girls are also falling into the trap them boys should be this, everyone's fallen into. Yeah. And in fact, the like one of the first things in the movie that was really compelling was a psychiatrist. Clinical psychiatrists saying, we think we love to focus on the differences between men and females in new. You really look at biologically speaking, it's one chromosome, and if you if you give them broad psychological tasks, you find that there's ninety percent overlap in the way we think re rented the movie today. So I could find that exact statistic. I don't think he says anything about a chromosome. Oh. You mean just the just the gender chromosome. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, but but the study is the psychological tests on fifty thousand girls and it it results in a bell curve, and then they do it with thousand boys at also results in bell kurban. When you when you superimpose those two, it's ninety percent overlap in just these tiny shoulders at the edge. And those are the places that we choose to hone in on as boy and girl were likening vastly more similar. Yeah, different. Fascinating. Yeah, but it was really funny as we were watching it, and they basically outlined like the four, five ways that we prize masculinity in this country. In immediately, we're all like, oh my God. Dax is the biggest cliche ever. It was like sexual conquest bone make money, boom, a fighting boom. Excessive use of alcohol drugs. Like any way I could show I was masculine not having a dad around and let me know. I was. I was racing to to prove myself in that way. Check all the bottle boxes really proud of you for acknowledge nodding in realizing, I really was I, I was wondering if you were going to miss that. I mean, everything they described was like now, but it's it's evolved to see when people are pointing out something negative to see the new have fallen into that. Sure. What is funny is I feel no shame or guilt over because that was like, that's the road map. I was given an I was like, I wanna Chievo this standard and I think I do too. He has a great awareness of this paradox. He hates toxic Massieu any super drawn to it. He finds it fascinating says, but he was cleared, say that he thinks it's crazy and that it all needs to be like transmuted into a different thing, which I like, but it is embedded in our culture and it's why earlier you said he says something about man's man buildings. You gotta. Yeah, because that's exactly it. This is exactly what we do and we say a man's man in this nece and it just leads to these crazy expectations that aren't real. And yeah, the documentary is so good is really fantastic. Everyone should really, really watch it. Especially if you're raising a boy, but I think, yes, of course, if you're raising a boy, yes. But also if you're just a person in the world, you should watch it because it's we're all part of it were all part of the problem, but I guarantee raising a boy, you'd find that daily. You're reinforcing those things. I completely unaware that you're doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's in our advertising. It's ever it's everywhere from day one. For your rife. They already bought you blue blanket or a pink one. Exactly. Oh, okay. And then one of the things sort of tangential to this Rodney, the connection to defied ING need this like need for Justice, Omaha, which I do think is sort of true. I think it's true. I'm also obsessed with Justice and have no inclination to administer Justice physically. Yeah, exactly. Because. I'm not drawn to that, but. I know it's interesting that you feel like that because an other areas of life in another conversations, you can recognize that when people are doing something mean to you or calling something, our whatever, it's not about you in, it's about them, and that's the sad existence for that person. You can have some empathy, but, but you don't have that in these cases. Like I'm smart enough to go the bully that's picking a fight with me at the bar has a lot of problems, initials, and he's the victim of probably Sheedy dad, and I can recognize all that that can be very present my mind and then given the choice to be a victim of that person's algae or do fight back into feet them. I always picked that, but you don't. The problem is it does not have to be it's those aren't the choices you believe that in in your experie-. That is choice where you can walk away in my experience. If you start walking away the guy fucking hits you in the side of the face than you fall starts kicking you on the face so many, many times in my life. You can't walk away. If you walk away your skin, get blindsided in that person's going to beat you all you're on the ground. So I disagree. I just think it's, I think it's more rare than her giving it credit for someone to walk in Los Angeles thousand percent. I could live in Los Angeles for another thousand years and never ever have to defend myself. I maintain on Los Angeles at and you're saying here culturally hundred percent. I could avoid ever getting hurt in Los Angeles. Yeah, I could not have avoided in my childhood getting hurt. Well, I could've stayed in my house earns. You heard that story when eras my first trip to earns house to visit him as a new friend, we go to play hockey and I just show up immediately soon as I step up, hey, motherfucker. I'm gonna kick. Your s? That's odd. We haven't even. He doesn't even know my name. Just walked up. I'm an outsider from their neighborhood and that dude's either going to kick my ass or I'm gonna fight back. Those are the two choices. Again, probably terrible childhood. I can have tons of compassionate now as an adult in that moment in the snow with twelve other boys around, I don't regret fighting back and winning Mberi happy that that was the outcome while I, I'm, I guess I'm more speaking to adults because I think the reason these things happen with kids is because they see it happening in adults. You mere all these things that you're seeing in your parents. And the people you're around and all of that. So that's probably true as a kid. And I agree. I don't really know what else you could have done in that circumstance. But the reason it's happening, I think is because of a bigger issue that adults. I don't think our I think is probably very rare for an adult to be in a bar and for someone to come up completely out of nowhere in in pick a fight where you had literally nothing to do with it in. No, this is rare. Where I can say that. Yeah, that was your experience. That is definitely not the experience in bar culture in Detroit. The most guys that have drank enough in bars in Detroit have had some stranger come up to them in literally start a fight out of nowhere. 'cause they're drunk in horny and occurs them, they're not getting laid. So they shift immediately to then I'm kicking someone's ass in. There's a ton of those guys out there. Well, that's also part of this problem than that, like going into Mars and expecting to get laid and getting upset that they're not. And it's like, these are things that we have to. Change in young people. Absolutely. I guess that's. That was all well and ended on such a hot, no.

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Trump fires cybersecurity official who worked to secure the US election

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Trump fires cybersecurity official who worked to secure the US election

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Werman this is the world good to be with you this wednesday. We started the show today with another abrupt move by the trump administration. The firing of chris crabs who headed a cyber and election security agency within the department of homeland security. His dismissal is being widely condemned since cribs and his team were fact checking the president on many of his false claims about the elections. Here's the world's lydia mentally due in two thousand. Eighteen president trump appointed chris crabs to head. What at the time was a brand new federal agency that had just been signed into existence. Today is my great honor to sign the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency act into law sis for short would be on the frontline of what trump called the cyber battlespace guarding against attacks. On the nation's critical infrastructure like energy healthcare and of course elections. This new agency will ensure that we confront the full range of threats from nation states cybercriminals and other militias actors of which there are many from the very beginning. Krebs made election security a top priority. He not what happened in the previous election in two thousand sixteen as a wakeup call. Fronta back wakeup call across the federal government. Two thousand sixteen was the first time i think for the elected officials for the american public to truly understand that cyber could destabilise democracy speaking at a recent conference in two thousand sixteen. The country was caught off guard by russian. Disinformation campaigns and attacks krebs and his team immediately got to work to prevent that and other more sophisticated hacks says it a whole bunch of things that were enormously helpful in preparing for twenty twenty jessica brand is with the think tank. The alliance for securing democracy started pretty early on coordinating with state local officials who actually run our elections providing them with increased. Information about threats. Sharing cybersecurity trainings creek resources. For how local jurisdictions could attack their infrastructure as the election got close system made it a top priority to communicate election related information to the public in february as the primaries were getting underway. I had a chance to meet cribs and interview him at the time. The potential impact of covid nineteen on the election was becoming more clear. What are they going to continue working on messaging on the fact that it takes a little bit of patients The official results certification takes weeks or more sometimes to counteract misinformation crabs and his team prioritized telling voters where to look for election related information through a campaign called trusted info twenty twenty crabs with sometimes wear socks that had the slogan printed on them unfortunately did not wear those socks today but we'll continue to raise the awareness of go to the authoritative source of information and that is your local or state election official in the end many of the worst case scenarios that were bracing for foreign disinformation campaigns and hacks into election systems to happen in part. Some experts say because of cicero's work but on election day krebs was the first to warn. That work wasn't over today in some senses. Halftime there may be other events or activities or efforts to get our fear in undermined confidence in the election. those efforts to undermine confidence in the election. Have mainly come from the president himself. Frankly we did win this election since election day. Crabs and his team have been fighting a disinformation machine created by the president and his allies on rumor control page and on twitter. They've been debunking. The president's false claims of voter fraud and election rigging a statement by cisa declaring this election as the most secure in american history seems to be what pushed the president over the edge to fire crabs since then krebs received an outpouring of support from both sides of the political aisle in the us and even from outside the country on a c. kriss go. He's not standing individual standing leader and a great partner on a lovely guy. Here in martin is a professor at oxford but until recently he was krebs his counterpart in the uk at the national cybersecurity center. He's as under crabs. The us became a more effective cyber security partner and even a role model an election security. I just think it's manifestly evident the protect twenty twenty operation that he headed was outstanding success. I teach cybersecurity now to government professionals from across the world height day cybersecurity. I'll be teaching. Chris grabs his work on protecting the. Us election for years to come. Martin says that efforts to make cybersecurity top priority at the highest levels of use government started before chris crabs took over cisa up. Chris really took it to a new level really really good addition to the allied framework for fighting cyber-threats he hopes the incoming biden administration continues to build on the work krebs and his team did both for the sake of allies and the us itself for the world mainly due thousands of american troops in afghanistan and iraq will be heading home soon. Acting defense secretary. Chris miller made the announcement yesterday by january fifteenth. Twenty twenty one our forces their size and afghanistan will be two thousand. Five hundred troops are four size in iraq will also be two thousand five hundred by that same day. President trump has repeatedly said he wants to end the wars in afghanistan and iraq. But as the world's sharon jafari reports this latest news is being met with a lot of skepticism. The news from washington broke late last night for people in afghanistan and iraq. Many found out about it. When they woke up this morning i reached javid face up bright and early in the afghan capital kabul. He was on his way to work. Face is an advisor to afghanistan's national security council will be honest You know we. We were expecting some hasty moves. Faso's measured he said listen. President trump has set for a while. Now that american troops will leave so this news was completely out of the blue but the withdrawal should be a very responsible. Want to make sure that any decision that's been taken in. This regard does not take us back to really were twenty years ago and there was al qaeda when the other insurgent groups. Many disconcert. Us military say hasty and uncoordinated troop withdraw would leave local forces in dangerous position. That goes for both afghanistan and iraq. Where americans help train an assist local forces. David witty is a retired. Us army colonel. He served in iraq after a major troop withdrawal by the obama administration into an eleven will be much harder to provide advice and training to iraqi forces. You know which is the primary role is going on right. Now he forces helped the iraqi's fight the islamic state they also try to limit iran's influence in iraq. The problem would be. You would basically just be turning iraq over to iran. There's no other way to put it. Iran has created and supported a web of powerful militias in iraq drawdown of us forces with says means these militias could have more of a free hand in the country in afghanistan. The us trouble. Google from forty five hundred to twenty five. The trump administration had planned to bring the down but it was to be conditional. David portraying is a retired army general from a military perspective I always recommended when. I was the commander in iraq or in afghanistan. Force reduction should always be conditions. Days patria says this is one way to get opposing sides to follow through with their promises. For example the us had signed an agreement with the tiger balm biking february and a promise to pull troops out only if the taliban setting in conditions had transferred so far. The group has not met any of them. Frankly undermines the effort at the negotiating table. Because you're essentially giving the olive on what they really want having already pressured the afghan government to release some five thousand or so taliban detainees. Michael kusuma is with jobs center. His as president. Trump's decision leaves the afghan government in a difficult position. Think the taleban wants to have complete power and it would have that opportunity if it just waits america out and focuses entirely on the fight. Cookman says he sympathizes with american families who have loved ones serving in iraq and afghanistan his recognizes how this week's news might be a sigh of relief for them. But this is really the last opportunity. You have to try to kick-start in admittedly fragile but nonetheless existence peace process and yet you're whittling away your your last elements of leverage by pulling all of these truths very suddenly without the taliban having done anything. I president trump says the us can always send additional troops back to afghanistan if needed but that could get complicated. It would have to get the approval of the afghan government in order to do that. Jonathan show them is with the cna corporation and a longtime military analyst the current afghan government. I think would agree to that type of arrangement. But i wouldn't want to presume that the us could just because it's not a unilateral decision says troop withdrawals take time. Flying personnel. out of the country is pretty quick but he says winding down. Big basis is a whole different undetake. If they were going to zero i i would say it would be logistical nightmare to do that. By january. go to twenty. Five hundred is still going to be very challenging. Because they're going to close a number of fairly sizable military installations but ultimately. Michael krugman. with a woodrow. Wilson says trump's decision to bring troops home is based on political goals. Important angle here. That's worth keeping in mind when we hear all this talk here in washington about ending the war by bringing. Us troops we're not ending the war war maybe ending for the us but it's not going to enter the afghans. The trump administration says it wants the draw down to be completed by january fifteenth. That's less than a week before. Joe biden's inauguration for the world. I'm change of celebrities. Endorsing a product happens all the time usually something. Glamorous like watches perfumes high end whiskeys. But what about a horse trailer company in wales session holiday tired of opening the same old star sweater. Try evil tricks. Yvonne williams phillips has been kinda weird too big actors. They're shilling for welsh or trailers ryan reynolds star of the superhero film. Deadpool and rob mcilhenny creator of an actor in the sitcom. It's always sunny in philadelphia if you're confused about why they did this ad. As saying journalism they lead william trailer manufacturer property's orders residences for and there out. You may have never heard of wrestling the race force round four. that's right. These two north americans are becoming owners of wrexham. Afc it's a soccer team. In wales in fact the third oldest professional soccer club in the world reynolds and mcilhenny submitted their bid in september. And this week the teams trust approved it clearing the way for the actors takeover. The two men reportedly plan to inject nearly three million dollars into the club. They also say they're going to make a documentary about the team. You may be wondering what do hollywood stars no about running a soccer team. Brian phillips a chairperson of the wrexham supporters. Trust had this to say to turkish news outlet. Trt world in all honesty. I think they come across his to genuine goings. They talk about the football club. They've researched the club. It obviously think that go best intentions of wrexham football club as heart. Mr phillips had this to add about ryan reynolds and rob mcilhenny but send most of his generation will make the team could use a bit of a boost wrexham. Afc is fourteenth in the twenty three team national league. That's many levels below the more famous and prestigious premier league so it is an upward climb but his new club owners reynolds and mcilhenny. Now know anything is possible. You're listening to the world. I'm marco werman you're with the world an unexpected move by the. Us justice department has thrown the us mexico relationship into the spotlight last month. Former mexican general salvador sent away goes to pay who was arrested in los angeles and face charges of drug trafficking and corruption. Today though a us district court judge allowed prosecutors to drop all charges against wego's opening the door for him to return to mexico and allowing mexican officials to investigate to walk us through this eyebrow raising move. The world's jorges valencia joins us from mexico city or. Hey what was the justice. Department accusing sent way goes of remind us prosecutors. Were saying that he was using his position. As the former defense minister of mexico he was the head of the defense ministry from two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen. He said he was using that position to allow an organized crime group known as h. Two to traffic see nited states without interference now appear to have a very solid case. They spent more than a year on this so it was a very big surprise when none other than william bar the. Us attorney general himself issued a statement. Yesterday saying that prosecutors were going to drop all charges and return general. Cf way goes to mexico. Mexico's foreign relations minister monticello eradicate public remarks about this yesterday. Out here saying that. He doesn't see this as a path toward impunity but rather his way in which the department of justice is showing to mexico and showing respect to mexico's military. This feels like such a one. Eighty especially considering sent wiggles was arrested just last month. So what kind of reaction has there been shock bewilderment. I mean for people who are involved in efforts to fight organized crime here in mexico. They're very surprised by this. Because this isn't just about the charges that inflation was facing a disa- court in new york but also about other crimes that many people believe that the government was involved in while he was the defense minister most notably the case of forty three university students. Who went missing in the southern state of guerrero. And we're never found. I spoke with mike v. he'll he is the former director of international operations at the da and he was based here in mexico for more than ten years. Quite frankly in my thirty one year career with the drug enforcement administration. I had never seen anything like this. That says Langage and the most repulsive thing that i've ever seen in the history of us justice. Marco one important piece of context to have is that mexico's courts are are notoriously challenged some estimates Find that nine out of ten crimes in mexico go unpunished so when you have somebody as powerful as the former defense minister general goes if he actually did commit any crimes that he was being accused of in the united states. There is a good chance that he could walk away without facing trial. Are there any theories as to why the. Us justice department would drop these charges. I mean drug trafficking. Mexico remains a high priority for us national security. There seems be more to the story. I should be clear that it is speculation but the prevailing theory is that by returning generals who goes to mexico. The trump administration is returning a favor to the administration of president under manuel lopez or mexico has done a lot of work to prevent people over the past couple of years from migrating from central america toward the united states. It's very difficult to tell. Because by releasing general goes One question is answered but many many many more questions are being asked. The world's jorges valencia in mexico city. Thank you very much for this. You welcome marco. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure a dictum taken rather seriously in china right now this week. China's clamping down on how it imports certain food. Fashion young guys are chinese official announcing the changes at a press conference the clamping down because in recent months inspectors have found samples of the corona virus on packages of frozen beef pork and seafood. So now the government is requiring what he calls full coverage testing and disinfection of food imports. The world's rebecca counter has been following this forest from shanghai so apparently there's evidence of the corona virus on the packages the wrapping but not in the actual frozen foodstuffs. That's a right so. The government is tightening up protocols for the imports of frozen food especially meat and seafood. So now on the shipments come in they have to be tested for corona virus and disinfected also. The government is banning imports from ninety nine companies in twenty countries who have reported infections among their employees. So i'm glad you make that distinction. Rebecca the us cdc has said that the risk of infection from food or food packaging is in fact very small the. Who's mike ryan said. And this is a quote. There is no evidence of food chain is participating in transmission of this virus. So what is going on in china. I think they know that the risk of transmission is low but still they've had these cases linked to workers involved in the cold chain. The cold chain is basically the supply chain for products that require refrigeration so they've had cases linked to german pork knuckles ecuadorian. Shrimp frozen cod. So i think from their perspective while the risk is low they're still seeing cases that they can link to shipments coming in from abroad and because there are so few local transmissions of covid nineteen. They can pick up on these very easily so it seems to be only a few cases in china of course is a huge country. Why the sudden focus on this. Well it's not sudden. I mean this has been going on since the summer but you have to remember china's and a really different place right now than the rest of the world. I mean aside. From a few outbreaks the country has pretty much controlled the number of domestic cases. So it's easier to spot these few cases because they have their eyes trained so tightly on any case i spoke with kurt long. He's a chinese logistics provider. So he's like taking care of the paperwork and delivering the cargo and he says that the government has to pay attention to this to the saying on. This is what we must do to prevent spread of the virus. It's more important than business gains. If china can't control the virus our businesses will be negatively impacted. Right it's important because otherwise the consumers are not going to trust the food. so. China is the world's largest importer of beef and china's second only to japan in terms of imports of poor conc- food. So this new concern about covid and the food chain. How does it affect shoppers. What are you hearing. While i was talking to a friend of mine are jadwin. And he runs a sam business in chengdu. He said that consumers are looking at these cases and making decisions based on that once. They made this announcement. They found the coronavirus on a cutting board. Osama cutting board in the beijing market overnight like sales dropped zero when statements like these are made the consumers they freak out overnight the consumer demand has completely shifted so i mean of course the problem is not the food itself. It's the packaging. Perhaps the safety regimen of the person who handles the packages you know they touch their eyes or they don't wash their hands but the customers here one detail the food product and where it's from and that has a lasting effect so i can imagine rebecca. This clampdown could put a dent in imports of food from places like well. We like the united states so our countries that sell food to china taking these changes. There's definitely been pushed back. The wto is complaining about these tougher restrictions. Canada complained formerly countries including the. Us gave their support to canada's complaint. The wolves rebecca cather telling about china's stiff new rules for handling imported frozen foods rebecca. Thanks very much thank you. You're listening to the world. A reminder to listeners the world is free for anyone on air on demand and on the web we report stories from around the globe with nuance context and by listening to the voices of the people most affected by the news. Donate to the world today to support the work of our superhero staff and help us keep our coverage free and open to all you can help. Keep the show accessible to everybody across the globe by donating one hundred dollars. That's just eight dollars and thirty three cents a month. 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There's a lot of disagreement over the rocky hills in the west bank that surround the sa- goethe winery but most people who visit here agree. It really is a beautiful place. When i visit the winery out of pompeo's planned visit the staff is a little cagey about the details. I am seeing some security precautions being put in place there's barriers. There's the ceremonial entrance. Tunnel of an event of this caliber. Obviously flags of the united states and israel are being put up everywhere but when people are very very secretive here about the event given the sensitive location. Pompeo is set to be the first. Us secretary of state to visit a jewish settlement in the west bank. But why this winery. It's partly owned by an american family from florida. They support israeli settlements and us politicians including donald trump earlier this year. The winery honored. Mike pompeo naming a vintage after him. Pompeo wine is a blend of cabernet shiraz emmolo that came after pompeo reversed long standing. Us policy by declaring that west bank settlements are not illegal. The trump administration reversing the obama. Administration's approach towards israeli settlements. Us public statements on settlement activities. In the west bank have been inconsistent over decades. International community still considers the settlements to be illegal and an obstacle to the creation of future palestinian state. But pompeo isn't planning on visiting the palestinians about ten minutes away from the winery is the village of taibbi. Where the hoodie family is in the middle of brewing day owned the bed brewing company which prides itself as being the first microbrewery in the middle east export their beer to fifteen countries including the united states. He should've come to visit us to tell you the truth. That's twenty two year old. modise cudi. Her father founded the brewery with her grandfather and uncle in one thousand nine hundred. Four medes says she's surprised. Pompeo didn't consider visiting their brewery given that american diplomats. Visit this place all the time. I'm sure he's heard of you. Know because the american council always has Taibbi beer at the fourth of july event that they do in jerusalem this year. They didn't have one obviously because of covert but they're big supporter the please and they come visit me at the brewery on saturdays. They stock up on beer. The pandemic hit the tiber brewery heart since march the barista seventy percent drop in business. But nadeem cody. Father says they're used to dealing with adversity making in palestine's not like making anywhere in the world. The fact with the obstacle the siege losers the occupation. The wall this visit by mike pompeo could be his last one. A secretary of state critics say it's been a mistake for the administration to sideline the palestinians. But when i asked him beam how he feels about. Pompeo's visit to the winery. He's diplomatic with his answer. Politics and be mixed together but we will continue fight for our freedom and we will toast the freedom with but this on the other hand says. She's disappointed that the secretary of state is to visit in israeli settlement. But she says it's not all that surprising given the trump administration's track record. It's very sad to see that the us is not fully supporting the palestinians and not encouraging them. You know not helping to make peace in palestine. Yesterday palestinian prime minister mohammad styay condemned expected visit calling it a dangerous precedent but medes says she's not overly concerned about the visit because it's really more symbolic than anything else. And she's not the only one who thinks it's a largely memorial in the sense that he should departing secretary of state is nice that the set little decided to own a pompeo. But it's nothing more than it did. Iran is a former israeli ambassador to jordan and says that pompeo settlement or is controversial. But it's unlikely to have a big impact on the next. Us administration and its approach to this rarely palestinian conflict. I'm more than doubtful that they will be of any political significance in relation between israel and the palestinians own the united states earlier this year the palestinian authority cut ties with the us and israel palestinian leaders say president trump has heavily favored israel's right-wing government and ignored their own concerns but in a surprising move palestinian president mahmoud abbas just made an announcement he says the palestinian authority will resume security cooperation with israel. That could be a first step towards something different with a new american president beginning. His term in january for the world are real oeser in the west bank. Since the start of this pandemic two big questions have been on a lot of people's minds. Can we become immune to the coronavirus and if so how long will that immunity last a new study offers some promising though. Early answers to those questions doctor. Sidney ramirez is one of the studies co-authors. She's an infectious disease. Doctor and researcher at the university of california san diego and the la hoya institute for immunology. Dr ramirez watching the immune system fight virus is a bit like watching tension between hostile nations. There's always this constant arms race between the viruses and other microbes that try and cause infections and our body is constantly trying to battle off. And there's this sort of arms race where the viruses get better what they're doing and causing infection but at the same time the body's immune system becomes more sophisticated in this better able to recognize the viruses into combat them. Essentially you know. Our body has a non specific immune response that's like the first responders like the artillery that russian and kind of try and eliminate any viruses or other infections that are attacking her body and then we have a more sophisticated specific. Immune response that. We call the adaptive immune response. And that's the cells the t. cells the antibodies. These are really the the special forces that are able to release specifically recognize virus like the covy to virus that causes covid nineteen in simple terms. We can look at. Antibodies and t cells and b cells different types of cells in our bodies and they might help us carry around a memory of virus infection and play a role in preventing reinfection. Do i have that right. That's a good way of thinking about it so this is really helpful. Now that we know this what did you set out to do in your study. We had a number of generous participants who allowed us to get blood samples from early when they were first infected all the way up through about eight months post infection as where we're at and the great news is the vast majority of people about ninety percent of them not only formed these immune responses but actually maintain them for more than six months post infection. Is it possible. Duct ramirez at some individuals could develop a lifelong immunity to this corona virus. It is possible. I mean it's really too early to say we do know that for certain viruses. People do develop lifelong immunity and and then not to cause fear there was a small percentage so less than ten percent of people that we studied. Who really did not form a great memory. Immune response to the virus. And so i think it's prudent for people to still consider that they could become reinfected and that we don't have a simple blood test. For example we can walk into your doctor's office and get tested and your doctor can tell you. This is your risk of reinfection more. Don't worry you're not at risk of king reinfected is important to point out that your your colleagues study has just been published and has not been peer reviewed or published in a scientific journal yet. What can we say though in terms of your studies results on immunity and the effectiveness of corona virus. Vaccine when we get it. What's the connection. Our paper is in the process of review. Right now. But i would say that. The scientific research that we conducted is rigorous. And i believe that it's going to hold true and from what we saw in. Our studies were very reassured. That people are making a good stable antibody response to the spike protein. That's the particular target protein included in the majority of the vaccines that are in trial in the us. A number of other countries right now. It's reassuring that what we see. Based on the vaccine trial data and our data is the people who experience either natural infection with cove. Nineteen or receive the vaccine. Make these particular. Antibodies and it seems as though based on our study this is going to be stable for at least six months after infection or we could potentially infer after immunization and as far as the immunity and what you found in your study i mean the takeaway seems to be even though it's not one hundred percent confirmation takeaways that immunity could last years or even decades. That's looking pretty good. Yeah i would say it's great. News and that the majority of people are able to make long lasting immune responses to this virus. I would caution that at this point you know. We still have so much more to learn and again these are not the sorts of tests that can be done in one doctor's office so i would still say that we need to continue washing her hands social distancing wearing masks. Doing all of the other things that we're doing to prevent the spread of infection or reinfection doctor. Sidney ramirez is an infectious disease doctor and researcher at the university of california san diego and the la hoya institute for immunology. dr ramirez. Thank you for the interview. And thank you very much for your work. Thank you mark. Took pleasure. Sweden's corona virus strategy has been more relaxed and most of its european neighbours. The country somewhat famously never went into lockdown and most of its restrictions were voluntary. Now sweden is seeing a new surge of cases and his pivoting towards stricter public health measures. Public gatherings are now capped at eight people down from fifty at a press conference this week. Swedish prime minister stefan libyan urged people not to go to gyms or libraries are host dinners cancel. He said we're joined now by lena. Horne. she's a filmmaker a former garage est and was one of the early opponents. Sweden's more relaxed corona virus. Strategy thank you for being here at lesnar. First of all how surprise where you buy this announcement i mean. How big shift you think. This is from sweden's early approach is and it isn't because if you compare with our neighbors who have really good handle on this. I mean the other nordic countries. Of course it's a step forward but you know all schools are open. We don't have any facemask. Recommendation in society at all people can still gather on mass in malls. They're advised not to. But the prohibition is restricted to public gatherings. And that's not. I mean the restaurants are still open. So are you saying very little has changed with this announcement and that this new approach is not going to shift any mindsets. Well that is the issue if it does shift mindsets and it probably will but from a legal perspective or compulsory perspective. It's not such a great shift. For instance they still say. You don't need a face mask in public transportation but we should. You should keep a distance but how easiest to keep a distance in public transportation in rush hour. It's not very easy. So it all depends if people sort of take this to heart then. There may well be a significant shift. Then you've been very publicly opposed the government's approach to the pandemic. Explain your position. This has been a long story the first couple of months. What they didn't do is prepare it all because they were sure. This was not going to be a problem outside of southeast asia. So that was the first mistake so they didn't prepare with protective gear or with testing capacity. The second mistake came when it was obvious that this was going to hit us. And the other countries around us went into lockdown in sweden. Did not people have gathered that they were really after herd immunity. They have denied it through one side of their mouth and through the other day. Say it would be a bonus with herd immunity next phases the summer when we had sweden as a sparsely populated country. We have twenty five people per square kilometers. We have long solid vacations and so the numbers went down dramatically from the beginning of july so it looked really good until about the middle of september which was a few weeks after the school started. They knew we didn't have herd immunity but they were still dragging their feet and now in the last few weeks. We've had a very dramatic steep rise. In cases we have a steep rise in the united states right now. Linda explain very briefly herd immunity. And is that what sweden was trying to do. Well this is what has been assumed based on some of their statements and from a lot of their emails but they have denied it but the herd immunity is that such a large proportion of the population and it has to be more than half. It varies contagious. -ness of the of the virus. A large proportion of the population has to have had the disease and be immune and then the virus sort of has so few people to hit. So you go below. One in so-called are not which means that there are less and less people getting infected so were hoping for a majority of swedes. Sort of silently getting immune. But it didn't happen. So what has it been. Like to live in sweden in stockholm. When you see that your fellow citizens are not implementing best practices. People are people you know. They follow their leaders. It's an unlucky combination of a very stubborn public health agency and the government that sort of obeys them largely and so we've had only one voice and that voice has not been very wise. Let's put it that way so it's been very very frustrating. You're so when you're surrounded by lots of people wanting best practices. Have you intern lane. Been more strict on yourself for certain things. Have you doubled down on being safe while. I am sixty six so i have acted my age so i have been very careful and a lot of my friends have been very careful but you know when people around you aren't then you have to extra careful one thing you have to realize going out in stockholm with face mask. People look scan set to you. So i hope that will change. It is slowly changing despite there not being any recommendation. And you know. I'm in a big group of about forty scientists and physicians who have been arguing against the swedish policy ever since march april and we have been in the minority. But we have kept at it. Finally as i said you used to be a variety today. you're a filmmaker in this realm. Creating film are you able to continue working. And what does the future look like for you. Well i'm writing a book right now and the script film script so i am working but this has really been one hundred percent more or less since april writing and interviewing and participating in discussions and everything. It's taken up lobby. You know when you feel really really frustrated. What do you do well. You can either hide or you do something. And and the people in this group. We call ourselves science forum. Covid nineteen veterans cops forum. Covid anytime in swedish. All these people are. We've turned activists from being scientists. It's been a really interesting process lena. Einhorn filmmaker former virologist and an early opponent sweden's more relaxed corona virus strategy. Thank you very much. Leaner good to meet you. Thank you from mexico to sweden from the latest on the pandemic to actors buying. Well soccer clubs. You join us to hear the stories that connect you to the world. You can also stay connected with us on social media. Follow us on twitter. Share the stories that really impact you and meet the journalists reporting them. We're on twitter at the world time for a pop art history quiz name. A few painters from spain. Pablo picasso and salvador. Dali mary good but what about female spanish painters. yeah well. there's an effort in spain to that and recognize women. Painters who were peers of people like picasso. But don't get the same attention. Let's see benedetti's has more from barcelona mighty. Evelyn chad is often compared to see that gallo. Both women gained worldwide success. Painters in the early twentieth century had a physical disability that affected their art and were close with mexican artist. Diego vega but unlike carlo was essentially erased from history. Art historian maria wholesale. Assad says that's happened to many female. Painters of the time. The dora is if you're mattie Kindergarten you exceptional painter says salah assad and you wonder. Why didn't she get any recognition. Blanchard was worn in salamanca. Spain in eighteen eighty one and was renowned cubist painter during her lifetime as well as an essential part of the nineteen twenties pairs art scene. For many years she lived there with rivera and his first wife angelina. Beloff also a painter. She showcased her next to artists. Like quantities a close friend but following her death in nineteen thirty two blanchard sister pulled her entire collection at of galleries and got rid of her. Various art dealers. Eventually selling the work to make extra money some of blanchard's paintings were mistakenly attributed to quantities shaking. They eat meat the oslo. No meat guy. Social distancing says his work is often considered an imitation of other prominent male artists paintings. When in reality she was working alongside them in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Salazar became the first person to curate art exhibit dedicated entirely to blanchett's work. She then spent decades recovering hundreds of lunch. Ads lost paintings. Some of which ended up in private collections silo showcase them at prominent museums. Like madrid afia for galas being filler for meaning on from the komo Liam's paintings done by women are just as good as the ones done by men sell. Assad and blanchard is just one of many female painters who have been overlooked silo. Assad says it's crucial for museums and art institutions to teach these artists work. That's the intention behind the newest exhibit at spain's national other museum which showcases paintings done by women before blanchard's time and explorers of representation of gender in the nineteenth century through several instagram. Live videos those who can't travel to madrid can visit the exhibit and listen to various experts analyze. Its most notable paintings curator catalog. Navarro says that through these paintings. We can explore the official narrative spanish institutions wanted to instill get on william important the car. We thought it was important to look at the ideological bias behind our collection. All of the artwork included in the exhibit called uninvited guests comes from el parallels two hundred year old collection many of which had been in storage for decades. Navarro says that while some of these artists were women. The museum only select those who painted flowers or still life. Then there are the paintings done by men that perpetuated gender stereotypes like the depiction of the fallen woman meant to dissuade women from traveling alone. Prasong coronado Yesterday anthony time themselves liberty but it was. The spanish stayed selected which works with the awarded or but for museums they claim to choose them because of their artistic quality but most of the time there were chosen for their ideological message. Now arrow says the nineteenth century mentality which held spain in an imperialist light and designated women to the private spear determined. What kind of artwork went down in history books now. He says it's the museums job to retell that story and a more. Just way for the world lucia view. This barcelona live music. I've missed it. You've probably missed it. Working musicians definitely missed it. So i start my wishlist for twenty twenty one. The return of live music in clubs and concert halls at the top for right now though we have to satisfy ourselves with live music on zoom. Or don't forget recordings jazz guitarist. George benson is just put out a new live album weekend in london. Live is a title. It was recorded at the legendary london. Club ronnie scott's last year to the timing couldn't be better since george benson recorded this set in two thousand nineteen there's been of course a pandemic lockdowns and closed venues. Benson has been hunkering down at his home in phoenix arizona. That's quite an adjustment for any musician to make who's usually on the road traveling around the world. I suggest it to benson that with not much happening on music stages right now. The release of this live album is a happy. Coincidence is incredibly time. Because in many years i've been on the road i've never been home for a whole summer and much less from the beginning of the year. We started home from february. I've been in an house for me. It's not a lockdown. It's a pleasure to be home and see. My children grow for once so the session was recorded at the legendary london. Jazz club ronnie scott's since cova though ronnie scott's has kinda struggled because of the lockdown. How worried are you that there's going to be a lot of performance venues everywhere around the globe that may not get out of this pandemic in one piece. Yeah that's that's bothersome but you know in the world never stands still. We have to work. I way around and through every kind of negative situation is not the first time. And i'm sure it won't be the last but it is bothersome because soon as you get used to something in you. You're in a good role on a good roll. Everything's going along wonderful. Here comes something strange down the bike and this is just another one of those. Have you figured out a way to rehearse during the pandemic. you can't perform right now. So how has the pandemic affected you and your work as a musician. We don't do. It will only do it when we're out on the road because it's not practical for guys who live in brooklyn new york detroit chicago texas los angeles san francisco. We just can't get together. George benson album weekend in london live was recorded last year before the pandemic. And it'll show you what rehearsing can-do it's out. Now we leave you. George benson's cover of donny. Hathaway's the ghetto. The world comes to you from the bill. Harra studio gb. Boston i'm marco. Werman will see you back here tomorrow. And don't count that.

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Holiday Shopping + Gift Giving

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Holiday Shopping + Gift Giving

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You didn't know you ought to know about one of the world's most popular cocktails than groaning ninety per instance did you know the Negroni was invented by an Italian count. Long to be a Rodeo clown in America's maybe that's true maybe not you'll have to tune in to find out so check out what the stars ars of it's always sunny in Philadelphia to say on the latest episode of what we're drinking with. Dan Done always remember the words of Sonny's Residents Age Charlie Kelley blue as for often often dude. Welcome to the show everybody. I actually bumped the episode. We are going to err air until next week because I have a special gift giving marketing psychology episode for you. That is very timely. Just in time time for the holiday shopping. Thought it'd be fantastic really interesting episode and you might be asking what am I thankful four. Well guys it is the fifth year anniversary of the here. We are podcast at the day. I'm recording this. A few days before are this is being uploaded near hearing it. I am celebrating five years of the show. It is amazing that I've been doing this for five five years now I've interviewed over one hundred fifty scientists. It's been quite an adventure and I am so thankful to have so many listeners is that are interested in this stuff that I find absolutely fascinating you know and I I have Really no business is hosting a science. PODCAST it's strange to find myself doing this. I I just wanted to be a comedian. My whole life. I never paid attention in school. I wasn't wasn't that big of a reader when I did start comedy and but when I was reading I was always reading science books. I was always watching things like Ted talks and I was when online classes started happening. I'd check those out various lectures and I just became more and more more obsessed with science and I had caught some breaks in my career and and Ben Fortunate as a stand up but I I also had a yearning to be talking about bigger ideas and science was where I found a lot of really satisfying answers. There's more importantly I was able to ask even bigger questions about life and I started reaching out to academics some. I don't know seven eight years ago ago or something like that. Got To become friends with some academics. Like my first guest Mardi Hazelton and my good friend Peter McGraw. Who's been on the show a couple of times and they were really encouraging and I just had these fantastic conversations with all these academics? I I just thought that these conversations needed needed to be recorded and someone should be doing it and so is like I make that happen. Why not you guys that know me? No I'm I'm a bit of a thrill seeker. I'm a bit of an adventure in. 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I I wish I just did this. PODCAST best fulltime. That's how much I love doing it. And so thank you guys so much for all your support and please continue to listen. Please continue to share are and have a great holiday season are we. Yes where are we here. Why are we here not entirely clear your existence by random share with no less to post eventually initially lower reading? Welcome to the here. We are podcast doing another fun episode in Boston. I'm talking with Assistant. Professor of marketing at the d'amore mckim School of business at Northeastern University. Please welcome Mary step while everybody. Ah Mary thank you for joining me. Thanks for being on standup science. You were fantastic and listeners. By the way many of you obviously didn't get a chance to be in Boston and see Marianne standup science. She has a fantastic Tax Talk that you can google and check out and kind of hear some some of Some what she talked about on the show And today I thought we'd do a little special kind of timely episode. We won't talk about this the whole all time but it's at least a good place to start. The holidays are approaching Thanksgiving right around the corner and Do you do. Do you do the like the Black Friday. The online deals that you deal deal with all that we joke about it in my family but we don't actually camp out and do the whole black Friday thing we kind of wait until everybody's gotten their their fill and then kind of make it out to the stores once they've cleared out a little bit. I mean there must be some other other I mean it must be exciting for people to be a part of the experience because I mean what are you saving a hundred dollars. Are something like that like to me. That's not I mean that's just if you're factoring in what like your hourly wages or something thing like that. It doesn't seem like you're saving enough money to be camping out. Am I wrong. In this assessment I think for some people. It's just the shopping is is half the fun and the ritual that all In putting that time and energy and thought into all of it I think is part of what makes people feel like they've been a good gift giver and You mentioned on stand up science a one common mistake. A few common mistakes people make when giving giving gifts and It was I had never heard of such a thing before the thou I especially liked the buying the same gift for everyone. Can you talk about absolutely so one thing that happens when we do our holiday shopping and have a long list of people to shop for at the same time is that we often end up passing not not guests that we know it'd be better liked by everyone on our shopping list in favor of something that's unique and different for each person. So even if I know each of you my like this one thing. The bast lifetime subscription to stand up science. Then yeah I might pass that up in favor of getting something different and unique for someone else on my shopping list so I feel like a thoughtful. What Giver Ver- intriguing? Each person is as unique and special and so this happens when people are trying especially hard to be thoughtful it makes makes a person feel more thoughtful to treat everyone unique and different and yet it leads us astray in many cases so it makes it more likely likely that we are going to pass up those better light gifts for our closer friends than those that we might care a little less about making sure that it's exactly right h again because we feel this pressure to impress those we really care about and show them how much we know and understand. What makes them special in different from everyone else else? Even if they're never gonNA compare gifts with somebody else on our shopping list and it means that when we try extra hard to put that extra time and thought thought into it we end up over thinking it and being extra prone to passing up those gifts. So you're actually better off not over thinking trying to go with your gut and pick the thing that that comes first to mind. Cause that's more likely to be the thing that that person really wanted I so there's also that puts a lot of pressure. I feel gifts sometimes. Put the pressure on the receiver as well. When someone's clear we put a lot of thought into it and then you're like Oh yeah of course like take a snake ladle and they're like remember because you love snakes? I oh I had a snake when I was America. Yeah that's the thing. That was very thoughtful. But now they're coming over to your house and you're like you're pulling this the snake ladle out of your storage box and you're just ladling soup around like this is just in your every night ritual get so much use out of this thing absolutely well I think part of what makes gives socially connecting. Is that reaction. The recipient is that sense in which you feel like as a giver. You have impressed them or made them smile. And so as a recipient you want to give that message whether or not you actually liked the gift in verse plays I mean do. We need to do gifts. I I don't know I guess it's for me. It's just it's a hard I like when I'm in a relationship. I like the excuses to buy gifts for some I. I find the family gathering then especially like work gatherings and stuff where you where you have to bring a little something. That's just a nightmare. The situation for me and it's only like two times the it's like people's birthday and Christmas that's about it like I feel like if we don't need all the rest of the time I don't know are you. Do you get to wake up Christmas morning excited to me it. Just it still feels like it's something like for the kids. Yeah Yeah I still get excited in these moments mints jerk. I'm a big grinch that a lot of those. A lot of traditional economists might sort of question is practice of giving people gifts and trying to guess what the other person's preferences are. There's a economists By the name of Waldvogel here who has been accused of being a bit of a grinch grinch himself because he has this idea that there's this dead weight loss and gift giving where inevitably the gift that a giver decides to give the recipient is valued about ten percent less than what they actually spent on it. And so you know. There's a lot of economists that might say we're better off just giving someone cash so they can go out and get whatever it is a truly want so it actually inspired a project so one of the things I wanted to look at A. Why do do we bother to constrain gifts such that? They have a more narrow us right so I could give you a visa gift card that you could spend anywhere on anything or I could even stay in the Gift Card Realm. I could give you another gift card but this time maybe make it to your favorite restaurant your favorite store by constraining in it. I feel like I've been again more thoughtful giver because I've signals on about you. I've tailored it to who you are and I think that's going to anymore. Socially connecting but in fact actually overestimating how important that is to use a recipient in fact is a recipient actually prefer a little bit more flexibility. That you know you might my actually be able to go out and get whatever you want or need right now. So maybe you need cookie cutters and shapes other than cats right now so even if I give you that kind of perfectly tailored gift that really hits the Bulls eye of what I know that you love. It still may not satisfy whatever it is that you're craving a particular moment. I mean you live in Boston where you know. This isn't this isn't the Midwest where where you can By like an Indianapolis a four bedroom house for a hundred thousand dollars or whatever. There's there's only I lived in Boston for six years in the Said said the blocks away from here and you know there's only so much Stuff you can fit it. I've now I basically everything that I own in his in my vehicle and I'm hard to buy for like people need to now. People are jumping through hoops to be like. Oh there's this new like device device for your for your car visor something to to shield the son in a different way than I'm I'm now making up new products that I imagine imagine exists but but it's like I kind of at a certain point like can you just say like hey good to see a happy holidays like I actually don't feel like such a monster say address. I'm totally with you on that right. You know I hardly have room for the family. Size is toilet paper roll in my apartment let alone like all these single use appliances right so you know like they make you know blenders for smoothies these but then they also make the Margarita machine. That's specifically geared toward that or you know the food chopper processor. You probably could have one device that does all of those things things and for most of us actually might prefer that you know versatility but you know again. It doesn't quite feel as as special if you could use it for anything that if it's just for that one thing that I know you really love I had many pot pie maker for I mean I do love Popeye's and small I mean it was. It was actually pretty great. But the idea that there's like so many you know every kitchen gadgets. Store for now is the. And that's that's I feel like that's a Lotta. I feel like those stores just Russia during during the holidays. But it's always such kind of ridiculous this one time use stuff. Why is it so why does it feel so like dirty to give someone cash? I think. Yeah it feels. Thoughtless appear like you're thrown at in their face. Here's some money happy holidays. There's vibe to it definitely doesn't have that sense of of signal value or I can show you that I know is on the in about what you that I've thought about that thing and use that to pick something that's perfect for you. I think that's actually an important thing in the back of a lot of people's minds when they're picking out gifts is can I use this to signal. You know how much I know about this other person much care about this other person and and cash doesn't doesn't have that capability of showing that I put a lot of thought or effort into this right but a lot of thought never it into this and decided cash is really what you wanted or I could have put three seconds of time into that and so I think that's important and again it's at signaling motive that I think often will lead givers to choose news things that really deviate from what the recipient of really wanted if you just ask them you know so oftentimes give our recipients. We'll put together registry. Those are the things that I actually want and actually use and it's the people that are closest to us that actually are most likely to go off registry and get us the junk that we didn't actually really want because it enables it's the only way that they can show that they actually put some thought into it and came up with something themselves they see the registry. They're are there one of the few people that knows about probably and then they don't go for it any- yeah I mean. I'm I'm tough to buy like I'll take a cool shirt but good luck finding Shirt Cooler than the shirts that I already have. I have lots of cool shirts as you can see. I'm wearing a cuttlefish. Spaceship Shirt right now. I mean you're not gonNA find a better shirt than that to give me Here's what I think that people should do for the holidays have more parties more gatherings. Put your money into that like I like I like by people Meals and stuff takes some people out. Hey Tonight's on me. That's the sort of thing I'd rather do so then get someone a gift area. Go to someone's Christmas party and they're like wow. You've got a juggler for some reason. Why did you do that? Who knows but you really went all out on this party? Those those to me seem like it would stick in someone's mind a little more than like the material. Things like the experiential Syrian kind of gifts or activities absolutely. There's research to back that up. So we do get more long lasting pleasure out of have experiences then material items and so there is evidence to suggest that those things are going to bring us longer lasting happiness other also more socially connecting so so even one aspect of that is that we often will go experiencing that dinner were experiencing that comedy nights together so that makes it socially connecting. But even if I get you a gift card to go get a massage and relax on your own. It's still going to be more socially connecting than if I gave you like a more material item. Yeah like the take homes buy back scratcher kind of thing and so yeah. There's something about those experiences. That really are more unique and special and really forge a connection between the giver and the recipient the end. Yeah I mean how hard you get. Someone a SPA treatment. It's a age. Old surefire yes that one enjoys his Yeah that's So what I mean I I how do you test something like someone's In of the material versus an experiential gift. So I mean oftentimes. They'll just ask people how much. How much do you enjoy this gaffed? How much do you value this gift? So most studies have focused on just asking people to self report how they feel about them again without the give her being present actually also. I've been doing people. Yeah Yeah people totally. The is highly why none of us get that feedback that we're terrible gift givers because he's never gonNA admit to our faces right. It was only like a year it through the grapevine or earlier. Maybe they didn't really want that embroidered. You Know Oven Mitt said that you know maybe I really not going to use that all that much especially like clothes for I I mean I mentioned Brian Rienscher. But it's like it's just such a bad idea because now especially I feel like your significant other. I mean sure. A lady might Like if if she was go. If you're walking by a store and she is like that's a great neck. Let L K you go back you get that assure her but the guy just like take a wack at like. Oh I bet that dress look on her and fit perfectly. That's that is a risky risky strategy. Pretty ballsy and yeah is is GonNa be a little tougher to meet that one work so what what about. What about gift? Cards is that Is that a way to kind of clean the filth off of cash before for a before gifting it to someone absolutely so I do think that most people think that it's more okay to give a gift card than you know the same thing thing and cash it. It feels more awful you know actually in China they have a tradition of putting the cash. A red envelope before giving as a gift and suddenly it goes from being on the as crass and inappropriate to give as a gift and now it's totally okay because it's in the red envelope and so part of that is maybe the beliefs or rituals we around these things But you know I it turns out that gift cards are actually the most requested gift every year the National Retail Federation actually actually sightsee statistics and so even though we might as givers have more of a tendency to gravitate toward those tangible items. Those those gifts that again are much more specific and tailored to the individual. Most recipients actually really enjoy having a little more flexibility all. That's the delivery method. I here's what I'm UH. Here's what I'm doing this Christmas I'm Kinda going for the holidays I'm going to have a t shirt cannon filled with dollar bills Dell's I walked in and Bam dollar bills everywhere everyone's excited they're scrambling for experience and something flex best first of all so I WANNA get into. Maybe we'll get back to some of the stuff in tie everything together in this perfect perfect professional way right at the end. We'll see I'm optimistic. But I I do WanNa hear just a bit more about just your background generally and and how you got got into doing what you're doing in more of your main work now absolutely so I'm interested in social decision making and so I was trained as a social psychologist first and then me and my way from that into the area of marketing and I think what really drove me in that direction. I'm really we interested in these questions around. In how do we make decisions within four other people so interesting. When do we recruit other people to help us make decisions so when we asked that Salesperson Ham shopping for a gift for my friend Shane what do what do you think you might like? You know what these items is more popular. I'm interested in what are the barriers carriers. Actually gauging what somebody else might like and respond making a good decision for them. And then how do we support people people in making better decisions so whether that be US advising a friend or whether that be a business or a government trying to support people in in making better choices Yeah I I'm I'm not afraid to ask for help. But what about what about this situation. You go to a restaurant Toronto and I do this quite a bit. You know like I have analysis paralysis I want. Do I want this Pot Pie. I like Popeye's but it's not many and I'm kind of like the situation or Or do I get to the stroganoff. I don't know what restaurant that I'm a as a fantastic restaurant stroganoff and Popeye's in my opinion But but then you get the I mean I know now. This isn't related necessarily but I'm always scared that the the the waiter is going to be like well. The yellow fishing old. I mean one of my favorites and try to on not. Isn't that a concern at some of the you you go to a department store or something like that of them trying to like unload some of their Stuff that's it's been collecting dust on a shelf. Yeah well certainly my delegating the choice to that salesperson. You're putting power in their hands and if their goal is to up upsell you on the nicer bottle of wine or to nudge you to buy this dish that they really just need to to get rid of because no one else else's ordering it then you're giving them that opportunity to kind of push those items but I venture to say that it also may help you out in that rather than sitting there like for a half hour kind of going through that menu at the pot pies and the stroganoff cheesecake in though whatever the cheesecake factory's and when it comes in their worst suffers from analysis analysis paralysis that that is not where you should go to dinner. It's so many different options But yeah like if you're in that situation sometimes just having that out having somebody to whom you can delegate it might save you from sitting there forever before being able to actually make a decision to put in someone else's hands plus it makes their day. I mean that's why you get into retail retail. Sales is for the power so so what are the domains that that That are the most optimal to delegate. And when should you take matters into your own hands because my parents have been telling me for a while to start your own open acting more responsibly. In and if I could use this research as an excuse yeah yeah well I mean I think if you have a set preference and you know you want in particular space. I mean anything. That's a great time to exercise autonomy yourself right and if you if other people are not going to know what's best for you compared to what's best for other people all then again that's a situation where choosing yourself is going to make you better off than somebody who doesn't necessarily know your own personal idiosyncrasies but one thing that I find is is that a lot of past work marketing. Assume that most people prefer to make their own decisions that they really hate it when other people try to make choices for them or take that the choice Autonomy away a lot of my work suggested actually people find it relieving in many situations to be able to step back and say you know what I really. You don't know what I want to order tonight. which which is better the stroganoff or that pot pie and so for many people? It's away to kind of alleviate that sense of decision paralysis and actually walk away with something rather than nothing. Yes so what about what about a combination of both where you know you go into a restaurant and you're like all right. Here's the ground rules Less red onions. I don't y there in everything. All the time are don't need. I don't need to brighten up my instagram. Pick of my food that I buy all of a sudden rat onions. It's just infiltrating all of my food choices. Skip the red onions. Morale Alpha sprouts guys. What do you got for me and then you let them Kind of the guidance from their sure you just volley it back and forth a little bit So you both get some input into the decision actually one of the things that We usually really do and we give people the option to delegate as we start by letting them narrow down that choice sat so you're not letting someone else pick from every option out there for you. You're saying here are the options. I'm considering which do you recommend and actually as the choice that gets bigger and more overwhelming the more we might actually prefer to switch roles roles and let the other person Kinda give us a narrower choice that you know. Here's the top three things we recommend off of this novel of a menu and then you can just sort to say of those things. I'll go with this one So yeah there's a lot of people. These days are very kind of suspicious of of our rightfully so of a of sharing our of our privacy on on on the Internet and Amazon knowing everything about us and I am mentioned My ear hair on twitter or or something because I'm all over disclosure and and then the next thing I see there's just psychic ads for air hair trimmers and and things popping up in its head a creepy feeling but the but the other side of it is is that it's like actually near the near hair trimmer right right then and there and look at a great price. It's going to be delivered to me in two days. Yeah there's a lot of researchers trying to figure out where that line is between super helpful in super creepy and you know. Most people are convinced. Their phones are listening gene to them and they've actually asked this congressional hearings And and so far the answer has been been known that they possibly have the capacity acidy to to listen to everything that we're saying And yet at the same time. There's this kind of eerie feeling. Sometimes when we're seeing the ADS pop up on our our feed. That someone somewhere is is aware of of kind of what we've been thinking about her wanting lately yeah might be confirmation bias and things sometimes mm seem like very synchronous Dick and everything more and more connected than they actually are. But I mean I've had I've had like a episode where in particular there were. Someone mentioned this bizarre condition where people have like a really hairy face and And like this woman. Ed Written a book about about this one family that all had This connection this condition many history books you need to write a lot of history books Intel. You get to the one where you're going to write about the family with the Harry faces but But anyway mentioned this mention this condition. I didn't I hadn't put the episode our now. It's you know my my recorder here is an online or anything like that that I know of. And then after the PODCAST COUPLA a couple hours later I go to check twitter for the first time since that conversation and like the first tweet that pops up is some Mike Harry faced. Oh in my entire. I mean it's crazy. Yeah well I mean but sometimes it's not even direct hints it's marketers have figured out how to draw connections that maybe we ourselves have even figured out how to make it like target is notorious for having out at a teenage inge girl who is pregnant to her family because they just noticed some changes in her purchase history that tip them off so they figure burzaco colored rug. Yeah and some unscented body lotion I think are some of the key. Hits there You know and again any of those things on their own doesn't isn't necessarily mean anything but together figured out as means that you know maybe you want some ads for baby cribs and then and then her family's like why. Why are we getting ads for baby? cribs all of the so. Yeah they they started putting lawnmowers and stuff like throw off the sales in there so that it wasn't quite so obvious yeah Very sneaky. Well that that's the thing with With when I talked to marketing professors. There's all the marketing professors that I'm talking to are like. Hey here's a great way. You can make better choices but the thing has his hike. no-one no one other than like me and my listeners in nyc a handful of amongst the general public is ever hearing these There there might be you know. Maybe some people are like buying the book thinking fast and slow or something like that. But that's still such a tiny part the population but who is looking into all of this stuff is Is is the stores and the companies that want to sell you. So then they're taking your research and then they're reverse engineering every like. Here's how you save money and then reverse engineering to go like. Here's how we can get people to spend a lot of money irrationally. Oy House Louis so I teach a consumer behavior class and I tell my students you know understanding how consumers make the decisions that they do and being able to influences. Decisions is something of a superpower but like any superpower wouldn't be a superpower if it couldn't be used for evil as well as for good and so when I conclude my classes I always end by by asking the students encouraging. I make sure that you use this. Newfound toolkit and knowledge superpower that you've developed for the purposes uses of good not for evil but again it's a tool and so people are going to use it you know. It's you get you to buy the thing that you really didn't need about there. You can also use it to try to solve with some of society's bigger problems so actually. I think that's one of the exciting things about being in marketing is. It's very much the psychology of behavior change which is a tool that we we need in order to try to take some of society's problems so for me it's been a really exciting place to be to develop that toolkit to be able to start chipping away at some of these things? It is tricky because the general population in in specific situations where they aren't experienced. I sometimes needs a little nudging in guidance. And I'm sure that there's listeners are like what is this This is big brother other or something like that kind of talk but Take a comedy show for example if you so so say instead of the sold out out showed that we had se Say it would have been like a quarter full or something like that now if you just let those a to quarter full two hundred seats any if you just let those like forty fifty people that are the only ones that show up. Sit wherever they want. They're they're all going. WanNa sit in the back and everything and now there's this disconnect between the comedian and the audience and there's not it's not the same energy and people just don't know you know they're doing what's intuitive which is like some people are like. Wow I don't Wanna get picked on and then other people just think it's more comfortable bowl to be sitting further away or whatever but you have to just tell people are in those situations you block off the back seats and we like. Here's your seats and you seat them. mm-hmm yourself because they don't know that it's actually in their interest to all be huddled together in the front because laughter's contagious and then the COMEDIANS vibe off head of it and everything else and And so so there's you know that's a that's a small specific example from my line of work but but there's a larger scale Social issues and things that could arguably be similar situations where it's like well. People aren't experts on on like mail delivery or whatever we need to. We need to nudge them a little bit in this direction. They still have a choice so you need. They need a nudge absolutely well. I mean you can think about it like architecture. You walk into a house and if it's designed with good architecture you know there's there's usually a flow flow to the rooms in the way things fit together and flow together make sense right. Yeah and I think the same thing happens with our choices. You can design in good choice architecture to make choices more intuitive and more easy for us to navigate and find what's best for us or find the a better option if there is a better option there and in many cases. There's no sort of neutral observers right if you walk into a cafeteria. Some of the food has to go I. Some of the food has to go last. There's there's there's just that's how the lunch line is set up so the dressing on your plate and then all right and so that would be bad. I choice architecture. If you've got things in a in a hodgepodge as you go down the line and so you know as architects. I think it's not you know as some people fear about mind control in trying to Twist things necessarily I mean certainly there might be people out there using this negative you get a purposes in that and that's definitely true but you know there are things you could do in that cafeteria by putting the healthy food. I if you want to encourage people to make healthy choices is or as opposed to putting the most expensive food I or the highest margin food. I so those kinds of choices are ones that I think you you know. We as businesses are making we as governments are making on behalf of understanding how that works can help us be better designers so that hopefully we're designing things in a way that there's a win win but at least hopefully we're doing more thoughtful deliberate way. We're not just throwing things out there in a hodgepodge. Yeah I would like to see someone who spends more time on the road than most anyone who isn't a truck driver. I I would like to see gas stations. That aren't just filled with like everything you see is Candy Soda Lottery tickets cigarettes it was I was just like. Here's all of the badge choices blinking at you. Aiming for your attention. I would love to see a Won't once we once. We clean up the restrooms. I and farm I order business That's like a little more of like A. Here's some almost like a mini like whole foods or something like that and I guess it's the case that I think that there would be a market for gas station. That's just like this is for a bunch of snobs like you can comment. He keeps out the riffraff. You don't need the the thing full of bumper stickers That's is just like a display of the worst of the human condition. And why is every truck stop like the why. Why isn't there a nice spot where you go you spend a little extra stra and the anyway? I'm I'M GONNA go on tangent but related Something like a grocery store is a better example where I my understanding of some of the choice architectures they're having you go through the produce section. I you feel great about getting some apples and then and then you move on to the cereal aisle afterwards and well. I got five apples. So now I can get the frosted this and that and and then and maybe you resist that but then you get to the end. And there's just like the trash magazines and candy and Stephanus just sue and you don't have the capacity anymore to you. You have to know what Brad Pitt as up to in get a snickers bar you know you just can't help yourself and then you walk ashamed with those. Those those choices is I. I don't see that changing in any way I this is turning into a very long monologue but I don't I don't see that I if if you're working in a system where you're like obsessed obsessed at the bottom line. I get from the owner of the grocery stores point of view. I mean this is. That's the choice you make. It's kind of a smart choice to make from that. One person's sends point of view. But we won't point. Is it okay for like the government to step in or something to have policies where it's like no you can't you have to. Have you have to have the kids cereal at like the top shelf. So they they can't grab your your little You know little monkeys. That can't can't help themselves aren't aren't like crying and throwing fits every you know. Yeah Yeah so you know people are going to be using this choice architecture. Our to try to sell you more of the trashy magazines by other people might be using it to try to encourage healthier eating and because it's such a powerful influence. Actually you know. There's been a a lot of concerns about like what. What should we do on a policy level of actually protecting people from those nudges? That are designed to nudge them toward something. That's maybe not in the consumer's best interest and so one of the things that's been advocated quite a bit as well. Let's just tell people how these nudges or how this tweets architecture has been designed to encourage them to choose these devices and then consumers can make an informed decision for themselves excels about what's best for them and so. I thought that was an interesting idea that I was really skeptical of and so I actually set out to look to see does just telling people that these influences are out there. People any less susceptible to their influence and as it turns out no telling plane he pulled out a false intended to affect people's behavior so a default might be something in like in pre checked. This box in this email. I sent issues such that. You agree unless you check it to subscribe to all of my other emails. I ain't going to be sending out so that's a way that I've kind of set up choice architecture. It a fall such that you will receive the emails by default unless you actively opt out the alternative would be. I make you actively check a box to opt in to receive that so this this is this is a very powerful influence. We find that telling people what that fault is and how that's designed to influence. Our behaviour doesn't make them any less influenced wins Bhai that defaults they might actually form judgments about the person who warned them about it. They might trust you more. If you were honest yeah I included this here to kind of make more like you to sign up for this subscription list but again it doesn't protect them in a way that I think policymakers this kind of hoped that it would and so if anything if you really want to try to protect consumers from being influenced or manipulated by these kinds kinds of more nefarious nudges. You really got to try to target. Why they're effective in the first place and part of that has to do with the way they changed the way we think about out those choices that leads us to focus on reasons to choose that default option first and foremost and only later? Did we actually consider why we might have preferred the alternative. Yeah yeah I I mean I have a very distinct remember. It'd be because often people are like. Hey talk with scientists you learn all this stuff jeff. Why do you still make such horrible choices all of the time? These people are my parents and other people that care about me But I I mean I distinctly remember I I think it was It was Dan Arieli Book. I think it was what is rationally the irrational. I believe that's the one that I was listening to audio book and I mean it was just talking about like I don't know candy at the grocery the store or something like that and I stopped to use the restroom and I'm just I don't do it. Shane don't buy candy. Don't do it and I walked out out of that gas station with more candy than I'd bought in some time so I don't know it seems a lot of times it's not enough off just to be aware of how these are influencing us to to be able to buffer ourselves against those influences sometimes it only just gives us the greater insight to recognize is. Oh yeah that was in a situation and I totally fell for it again. So let's say that there's individuals out there. I imagine imagine I have lots of very bright podcast listeners. That tune in for things just like we're talking about to become more aware and so someone wants to be like a Consumer Ninja they. Don't they don't WanNa they don't WanNa fall for all of these tricks that just WanNa make the best consumption choices all of the time. What can they do? We Stack Ocean forest. Yeah it's it's actually funny in. Our field has made a lot of strides in identifying some of the ways in which we make predictably irrational decisions decisions. And it's made far fewer strides and figuring out how to get us out of that mess So I don't think there's a short answer unfortunately for you on that one. Thanks all right. Everybody it's so the message for this podcast give up. There's no hope for any of us. That's the message of every every Episode usually So are there are other countries where they're implementing more you're Consumer policy to kind of help nudge people in the right direction. And have they seen any or even even just different states different policies and and has there been anything that actually does work so one really exciting movement. That's happening and governments right now. Is that more and more. Four countries states and even cities are building behavioral insights teams to help inform the people designing policies as such that. They're actually informed by how humans make decisions and it. It seems like such an obvious thing. But it's such an oversight. They designed these policies for the the perfect robot that never misses deadlines and fills out the form. Exactly right even though you need three. PhD's to be able to understand what they're asking and Dan and so a lot of these governments are building these teams to help figure out. How do we use the best of what we know about how people make decisions in order to design more effective and user friendly government policies so I actually had the opportunity to serve in the United States Office Valuation Sciences which is based at the General Services Administration Russian also worked on the White House Social Sciences team under President Obama and in those roles what we did is we looked at different challenges that our government agencies were facing facing and trying to design and administer policies to try to support the people and and what we would do is we would come come in and try to figure out? What are the behavioral barriers to? This program isn't working as effectively as it could. How can we design a an intervention to try to overcome those barriers and rigorously tested to see what works and what works best so as an example you know people in our military? The opportunity to sign up for thrift savings plans wants to save for their retirement. But unlike in many organizations where you're sort of enrolled into these plans automatically by default. Unless you choose to opt out out our service members were actually having to actually opt in if they want to be a part of these plans and what we know from science is that people often don't take that step a small as it seems to kind of actively sign up when when that's the choice architecture and one thing that we did is we worked with them to you. Make it at least an active choice rather than an opt-in choice and what that means is instead of having to fill out a form only if you want to join the plan and your explicitly asked during your hr kind of orientation to make an explicit choice. Yes or no I want to be part of the thrift savings plan and even making that small tweak made it such that people are much more likely to sign up for these plans that could improve their retirement security and in fact it works so well that the military decided to go ahead and switch to an opt out choice architecture eventually so again encouraging more people. Do you not fall through the cracks and failed to save for retirement by kind of making that the easy option making that a fall option. Are there domains in which this is going to solve occur ridiculous question but they're certainly there has to be some some consumer domains in which being better informed does help in some way you. I can't think of any consumer behavior do for people. Well it's funny. You know one one thing that I find. Is that where it can be helpful to get. Additional information is when we're trying to predict someone else's preferences a longtime. We're I'm doing that what we do. Is We try to imagine what that person might be thinking about how we would feel if we were them right. And so we engage in this thought. Exercise is and oftentimes thought exercise is not terribly helpful so this is what we call perspective taking. So I'm imagining imagining what you might like as a gift. I imagine what I as Shane. My my life is a gift what things enjoy what things you don't enjoy And thank you. That's very thoughtful of you by the way you're welcome with a problem with is that there's going to be gaps in my knowledge and understanding and the more more engaged in that practice. I'm not necessarily going to gain any insight that I didn't already have so so encouraging people to take other people's perspectives while it sounds like great advice We actually find is is not terribly good advice after all what it does is it makes you way more confident or makes more confident in my predictions of what I think you want Really put thought into this all right but in reality it actually doesn't make me any more accurate if anything it makes less accurate at gauging what you want and and so what we find is that it's actually not getting people to rely more. You know what they want information they already have about someone else is getting new information remission about that person that's what really helps and so we call this perspective getting if I really want to get you a gift I should just get your perspective. I should ask view what you might like and surprise. I'm going to do much better job. This sounds really obvious. I when I say this and yet we we actually randomly assigned people in study to either kind of come up with an estimate of how much their partner would like a series of activities Just on their own we ask them to you. Kind of take their partner's perspective and imagine without person might like and then we asked them to perspective get asked that person about their preferences on all these different items and then make those predictions. What was really funny? Is that those who did the perspective getting didn't think they were any more accurate and yet they were the only ones that got a boost inaccuracy. Yeah that's very interesting. So so so how do you. How do you prime that in a social situation in like every day kind of situation? Not In a lab setting. Well if you're not sure what your your significant other might like for the upcoming holidays. Just ask and so just prompting phones to think of that as an option and take that step can actually make a big difference in terms of your ability said to figure it out and then come that celebration you go. Aw Remember when you said you don't need to worry about getting me anything Well I didn't get you anything and then and then I'm I'm sure they go. Thank you for getting me exactly what I was going to work a lot better. If people are in a situation where they feel like they can be honest with you about it and and yeah so that's going to be a little tricky. If they if they feel like they have to play at Humboldt or play cool and not really say what they truly want. How Man I gotTa stop putting so much pressure myself to be so cool all the time I have my one thing I do. I have my guests each week. Plug a nonprofit of their choice. You have one in mind. Yes so the make a wish foundation. This foundation grants the wishes of kids with critical article illnesses. And so they're an organization that has a lot to me over the years and and so I encourage other folks to to give to that organization um about is fantastic. And what do you have. Whatever you're comfortable sharing but what do you have in the works right? Or what have you been thinking about that you you want to explore or you or you may be just started but you haven't Started studying yet or you're looking forward to doing in the future so I've gotten really excited lately about better understanding how you make decisions with other people people There hasn't been a lot of work on we delegate decisions to other people and so I'm really interested in going a little bit further than that. You know what Eh Amax of the back and forth between individuals and how does that impact. How excited they are about what ultimately choose how much ownership they feel over the decision? How will they feel feel like they've been treated by the other person But really understanding and a more nuanced level. What kinda rolled people wanNA play and shaping the decisions that they face I? And what kind of support do they want from other people in navigating those decisions as well What about have you looked into kind of in group settings when you have more than just a one on one back and forth but when you're I don't know like hey. Hey family family. What are we going to get for for this person when you have multiple people working on it That's an interesting question. I haven't navigated that one as much and so. That's that's again so an area where we might have more of a black box. I thought you were GonNa say something along the lines of when you're making choices for many people at once. One of the things we find. Is that people find those choices especially daunting more so than choices for one other person or just a choice for themselves and so all these decisions that were especially likely to pass the buck on. We'd rather kind of point at someone. Alison case that decisions should prove to be unpopular. We just want to avoid that. What possible responsibility or blame associated with choosing Dutta option for for somebody else? Okay so you go to your significant other Yo perio- friend thought. This would be a good idea for you. And what about has there ever been. I'm GonNa put you on the spot again with the something. You probably haven't researched white elephant gift exchanges says they're preventing these studies out. He's in any I. I don't know what you would study or what you would be hoping to gain out of them. Are they fun to be like them. I can't tell I pretty much only done them. with with With my family okay. This is like I guess it's a fun. It's a very social. I mean that is I will say that it makes the The gift giving or like the material thing take a little bit. More background is more of a experiential. It's more of an activity. People are telling jokes and stuff like that. is that I wonder how that does against just your traditional where everyone everyone. Everyone draws the secret Santa and everyone has one person in mind. I am exchanges that way. I wonder which one people walkaway away happier from is a really good question to my knowledge. I don't know of any work that's looked at it. He's white elephant are gag gifts. These these ones really seem to be much more about sort of reaction that you get from the recipient you know like the laugher the sense of commodity that might come from you belly her belly laughing over this. How ridiculous? This item is. I was in one once where somebody gave this. The Matic set of holidays sodas that were like Green Bean casserole flavored soda and I remember all of us having a lot of fun like drinking all of those terrible terrible so and the jelly belly took took that and ran with it familiar It's it's pretty. I mean it's kind of great and awful at the same time but they have it's like you know there'd be eight different colors or whatever and within that it'll be like it'll be like one One will be like coconut flavored. And and another one that looks identical will be rotten egg flavor and you take a psych a Russian in rolette style like you spin the wheel and they nailed all those gusting made. I don't know who taste tested the puke flavor but they knocked it out of the park. Well what would you say is ah because as people are listening they are they really are approaching Some of these big sales and there's especially the online stuff stuff is there. Is there much difference between going to the store going to the waiting in line for the Black Friday or or The online thing there do people make better choices on one or the other. That's a great question. I don't know they make better choices on one or the other. I imagine that a- As a as a giver. You probably feel more thoughtful if you took more time to do your gift shopping or actually had to physically. I believe the house in order to do it but interestingly your recipients I'd get mad sometimes I slept in a tent for this young but the thing is the recipient rarely knows or has that insight into what you did to acquire the gift right they just see the end result and so oftentimes as giver. We overweight how important these things are. Maybe ABC's going online ordering everything from the convenience of our living room in our pajamas is going to be just as appreciated by recipients As kind of ten sitting in a tent at best buy at three in the morning on on Thanksgiving. I'm going for like this is A. Here's a fun on strategy. I wonder if I'm GONNA get some laughs. What I'm GonNa do and I and I gotta do it? like I'm actually GonNa do you wait in line. You camp out for hours and then you get the people the worst gifts possible that you tell them that you camped out for that search just like confused like hey here I got you i. I've waited in line for four days and I got you the stack of blank CDs so you can burn. CD's now like you did. What the strategy you know when you give a terrible gift if you can say or show that you put a lot of thought into into it can serve as a buffer as you know we think that the thought counts more than actually does and and oftentimes as when it comes to a good gift? If it's a a good give the recipient like say they don't really care if you thought about it or not but when you give that terrible gift they know you camped out in on. They're still going to give you some credit for for trying nine. What about some of the online Spending so you have any tips for people in terms of I. I know it's just getting easier and easier these days with all the pop up ads with the ease of delivery even even me having having to fit all of my belongings in the vehicle. I still like by too many like cords and things like that that I that I tell myself I need for the show show or whatever and I make a lot of impulsive Choices are there anything any any tips for people avoiding some of their I guess shopping addiction or just impulsive spending average person. Yeah well so there is some research on sort of the pain of pain for things things where it's more painful to depart with cash than to just put it on a credit card and so people end up overspending more when they're using our credit card hard for purchases rather than spending with cash. And I imagine you might see sort of that analogy with sitting in your living room and pointing and clicking on a bunch of stuff as opposed to having to go out and Schlep around town in order to buy things so I imagine like the the easier it is and the less visible visible or painful. It is to kind of make those purchases. Probably the more likely you are to kind of keep spending keep going so walk around with cash cash in your wallet during the during the holidays and pay for things that way. It's actually solid. That is pretty solid advice. It definitely does having to count the money. Yeah it's much more real. That way are well Mary Steffl. You were absolutely fantastic. Both here and on send-up science so I thank view very much for being a part of both shells and good luck to you and all the work you're doing and thank you listeners. For being such a wonderful wonderful curious audience and I'll talk more next week Next week on the here we are podcast. Amy Schmidt for real this time we just bumped back a week so we could have a timely holiday episode. Oh it's fantastic. It's super interesting stuff. We're talking about new lines in our evolutionary Inari past that have been discovered and ahead to be a we've had to rethink things and you get to hear all about the little creatures features that made that happen. Super Cool episode in a few guys are looking for gift ideas. You know another person. I forgot to thank early on. I work with as I have had talks coming up in Lincoln Wichita Oklahoma City Dallas. And Austin. Please don't miss so it on these shows I think they're probably all going to sell out. the an amazing Brilliant articulate wise Sophia. Oh fear Rockland Will be joining me for those shows and doing book signing of her book when Plant Stream afterwards. But we're going to have a whole whole bunch emerge and you guys. If you saw the good trip tour. He knew I had some fun March. Where we're doing I I know it's merch might not sound interesting. But we're going to have some surprises in store. I think we're going to blow some minds and one of the things that happened was my last tour. I had these lovely Leather keychains with mushrooms or LSD MOLECULE GMT molecule. That sort of thing having some Iowa Iowa ones made for For this tour with a lovely Little Iowa Oscar route stamp in the d. m. t. molecule on them and and That's done by lost sailor design you may notice an acronym they're lost. Sailor design amazing leather workers as they came out and saw One of my psychedelic shows years ago. they ended up. Gifting me a here. We are leather wallet. I need to put a picture of this on instagram or something. Please follow me on instagram. I started started doing stuff with it recently. Certainly I've been avoiding social media for the last year or so Getting back into the stuff. I'm doing just too important and I I have to do all the marketing marketing efforts and everything else that I can in so I reluctantly joined instagram. More Fun than I thought it would be. I quite like it right now. We'll see how my whole myself control issues. Go along with it. But so far. So good but jared loss sailor then I asked him if they could make these keychains for the tour. Since then we've been doing business together for a while. He makes the most amazing stuff. Find me a better other worker there. There isn't one. He's incredible I Got My my Ex When we were together together I got her the most amazing purse you have ever seen and I also have gotten people notebooks notebooks as gifts? There's a bunch of stuff like that that I highly recommend make great unique Christmas gifts especially for the art see creative types in In your area and and if you are looking for D. M. 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Get get this Charlie Day, condo ears, I really hope it makes you as happy as it made me and I. Hope you guys are healthy safe and staying saying, please be kind to one another and enjoy the wonderful man that is Charles Day a get into it. Charlie. Who or charity? Day? Or sweet. Food sweets, Charlie Day using earphones I. Having your phones is better to use. I just use them because I like I. Like the intimacy makes you feel A. Every of my longstanding fantasy. Being a DJ. Right Child earphones, but. Jimmy, just. Look sure White Nice and clean up. I'm so glad we're doing this. Thank you. Do you mind if we start recording and? please. Are we due? To. The video of this, go anywhere body. I could pick my nose. Yes. Yes. You're totally fine. what's going on? How are you? How are you today? Well not hang I'm using the earphones. Say by the way I I, always forget sometimes when I do podcasts. You WanNa step annual, warm room. You know you have a meeting or something and you're like, it was warm. This is a warm podcasts I. Think you're great. Thank you just removing the headphones. Made me laugh. Yeah. I wanted to say what isn't true of a lot of us? Are a funny guy. You're just like a naturally. We'd some of us are funny performers. You had that in your life link where people will laugh at you? No matter what. I remember when it was and it was usually the grownups, it wasn't the other kids. And if you got me in front of a parent that I didn't know or a new like a sub teacher or something, I was a big hit with the with the. With the faculty. The students didn't think like I had my friends at thought. I was funny. But like I really swing for the fences if there was like to this day. Something you know, I'm married now too. But like I used to love meeting girlfriend's parents and stuff like that was my my pocket now. Sweet spot. Yeah. Who was yours with with the with the Jilin's you're in Rhode Island is that At any any audience, any since I was going after as of this, just the other day where. I, think to look back on it. I was probably much more. Gregarious and much more like A. Willing or desperate to make people laugh the now, I don't know, I've lost a lot of it. We just talked about that yesterday where I was like I'm not a big pot smoker. But every once in a while, I'll smoke pot and it will take me back. To. The feeling we called it the fire hose feeling where you're like if someone's laughing. All Liquor Dog Durda, and it's not that I have a liquor doctorates. It's like I was just watching sunny and they were talking about eating attorney action one egg. On my mind like when you when you turn it into a career part of your job, and I'm assuming you have a family and all that stuff is to learn how to curb it a little bit. But I think when we were kids, it was so pure. It wasn't for business in the best end. The best laughter and we're guilty of so much of this on Sunday, but when you really not supposed to laugh. National's laugh or something has happened I mean like your teacher is far did and you know. Everyone heard him bar and you know that if you're laughing glass for those those sublime after that's it has. I still remember this is actually I. Don't have. I haven't told a lot of stories I was married when I was twenty two I. Don't. I. Don't tell stories about my first marriage and that's not by design. It's just how it happens to be. But here's what we were seeing a an apartment in Chicago. And her cousin whose name was Mike was like our big fancy in into the city, I don't know if you remember those types of was like. I live in Chicago, I can help you get to play, and so the status like we need to know the status of played, this was the cooler older guy. But looking back I wasn't like the funds. He was just like to us and he was sitting in our window. So he took a cool seat. Sat in the window and he put his leg up and he was sort of leaning on sort of waxing on about Chicago and like where to get the bus bloody Marys or whatever it was, and he let out the perfect like we're in the middle of the sort of diatribe this. Perfect. I, still remember it. Like a very long time ago I remember the. And he just. So quickly, he would. He tried to do with. You just went excuse me and then kept going. But? I was twenty two. There's no I. Mean. We waited from leave, but as soon as he left. We talked about that Fart. For decades. Lie Hope that farts will remain sacred. Funny at throughout the rest of the time I mean I. Hope that we don't get a place where like you know some people can't control their thoughts and we need to be more sensitive about heart shaming are changing. Shaming me, I had a friend who was like, I was going to his grandfather's house for the moon. He was like just. So you know my father, my grandfather can't stop fighting and don't make fun of him and like it was like before we had curb. But if I had, I would have been like, what is this curve? You telling a fifteen year? Old Kid dilemma departs I feel I think we'll be okay I. Hope we'll be okay because farts on this podcast, we always ask the guest, the hardest time they've laughed, and it's usually a fall or a fart and to to your point. Is usually in a situation where you're not supposed to laugh. which brings me my greatest appreciation of Sunning. Is there's somebody some saint some beautiful person, and I hope you don't mind cause. They used footage without permission, but they put together a master cut of the bloopers out. Great. So it's all the blue like all the bloopers are up independently, I. Think you know sanctioned, but somebody just put them all together and it's like three hours and Valerie and I have watched it through more than one. And it's it's Y. and I'd love for you to speak to this because this is not the just talk swell Charlie. It sort of is, but it's It shouldn't be I'm here her a good listen. I Guess Listen Charlie. I want you to speak to this specifically because this is not morning radio and you don't need to tell the story of the the famous. Now Story of how you pitch and made it all. It's I want you to talk specifically. To the idea that you are on a show that constantly was cracking you up is what I said to vow, and then I'm Gonna I'm GonNa stop chatting was I I really want my next show to be a show with a Blueberry Hill. I'm very proud of crashing, but it wasn't a blooper wrote real show and that's fine but sunny is like you're saying. Earth endings and you're and you're. Eating and shaming. The elements of Improv, I think, add to that where you have a script and you scripted it. To the point where hopefully you never have been promising the line into Larrea. But then he started up in someone thinks of something and then often times I'll be in the middle of the scene and then start to hear it from the outside. Imagine what the audience is hearing. A. Big Fan of of the other actors as I. Think our fans are so like. Displaying Things Macaroni Caitlin, Glenn, that just absolutely crack me up. So yeah, I just. It's gotten bad. Honestly, I have to. It's gotten better as I've been father because sometimes think okay I'm about to lose my shit in the stand and then I'm like you know what? Might. Not Home with my son, I'm out here. Doing this I should get through this and get home for him, and that's and that's helped me only a little bit because sometimes it's just too. We, there was one on crashing where we couldn't stop laughing and I. Think it was four in the morning. The problem with it though was I don't think anyone could have known what was funny about it. This scene wasn't even really like written to be funny. It's just the way someone was walking in wearing. It's towel. And if you watch it, it's the. Seir. Silverman episode. There was no way around it. I just looks like I've been weeping and every time I. Talk I'm just like well, the I'm just trying to say the line 'cause. That's all we have. It's all we have. It's funny that you mentioned trying to get out of there because, and you have to understand him saying this as to commiserate with you to relate to you sure in the bloopers. It's often you that that's laughing and dying, but you're the one that goes come on. Like. The worst although I think everyone's got a little bit bad. But I'm the absolute worst. And I. Mean like where's breaking or we're trying to break raking on just having. Too Much Fun and I think it's become almost like a nervous reaction like this and I really feel guilty if like Glenn is knocking it out of the park and I'm like, but I've got all these tricks. Rolex. Look at my shoes. We'll do cages the. But and I'm now trying to psychologically towards resolve outta laughing but. Gosh. I, just I enjoy it so much. Nikki Michele. Time? That's what I mean, and it sort of goes back to what we were saying at the beginning farts and the childhood firehose time. So I think, it's the right goal for me I'm like I, WanNa and Ensemble, and I want I want tone onset because again we were riffing. But like you sort of need to turn the I, don't even know how to do it, but you need to get the chemistry to appoint. It might have been because on crashing the the the The cast is always rotating always lots of different people. Certain certain actors. We would knew each other better than would crack more with other people. It would be like this is the only thing we're doing together the taking it very seriously, everybody would get through, it would be fine but I love that sort of. sleepover. Feel. And I what season around was that you guys were like. We feel safe because I feel like that had to be dangerous for you like at the beginning your scrappy and choppy, and you could probably be like we don't WanNa fuck up. But around season what we like I. Think we're okay and then it got harder. I don't know. I mean, I think we were always pretty bat like. It was sort of A. Commoner for like what's working? You know that? It's never really that laughing at. How brilliant the actor is or whatever it's? It's that I? Just. His character things is they get me. More happened on another movie or another project. It really is the intimacy of working with those guys in the show and the Sonny is the show that you can't even summarize the episode without laugh. You have to understand how jealous I am of the whole thing. It's so lean its friends. It seems pretty not easy to shoot, but you have some sets that are reliable meaning like it's. It's not gonNA be a shit ton of night shoots and stuff like this production porn fan. Now, it's really issue I. Feel I started feeling years ago. The opposite where I was like men were really limited in the lucky can give things. You know you have all these other shows that have as cinematic quality in their winning on his wars, and we're like, isn't because we look like a home movie. But that home quality is really what makes this show? Gives it its charm. You Know I. I. Are you aware I know I told you that you don't have to any, don't tell the story of how the show got made, but are you aware that me personally in the beginning of my career? There is no pitch to this day. I'm sure of someone starting out that doesn't have a huge backlog of work. Pitching a show that they believe in. There's no pitch that doesn't say always sunny. Like you guys really. Opened a door and left it open and I am not just buttering your bread I. Hope you feel good about that like I'm sure when I Whatever I was pitching. I I was saying you got A it's like saying a hail Mary. It's like you gotta always sunny this I. Know you don't know who I am and I believe that this can be really funny has had been. Aware of. Yeah. I, mean I. Think. So you know I think I'm. Certainly proud of being have pulling it off. You know like we were given a shot and we were able to find an audience and. And do it on a very lean way, and we did it from the ground up which was. Out. Of. Necessity. But. I'm also not aware of the impact that other performers you know it's. It's not something that. I feel like it's hit or miss when I meet me people like no, it's Specifically, industry people like if I meet like A. Like. A. College guy or girl get started probably, not much. Find. Meet someone like an actor whatever like. A director thing. It seems to be pretty hit and miss with who who knows it, and what the impact on them has been. It's hard to get write your own. History in terms of how other people perceive and. Show well, then maybe it's A little bit of a good feeling. Just know dozens of Comedians people. I know that are trying to make shows not only in the pitch. It made all of us believe that we could do it, and again sunny is a legit show. You guys are obviously phenomenal and were from the beginning. So it's not like these guys. These instagram models got a, it wasn't bad. It was like Oh, if it's funny and you find someone, I, think we can agree i. mean one of the things that can be tricky to find someone willing to take a chance. When I worked with Judd. No I I would be standing next to a driver or a or anybody, and then I'll be saying like I just need to get ten minutes with with Mr, Tau like like you want someone to take a shot like the ad is the the vibe and always the mythology of always sunny for those that don't know I think you're picking up from the context. It's relatively unknown people. The TV show that. Again didn't just give us a touchstone in the pitch it. It gave a lot of people. Hope it gave me hope going like Oh, you can do it. You just have to find those special. That makes sense I never thought about that in terms of. The fact that no one really knew who we were before the show. So. You know it's not like. That would probably be very encouraging thing if I young starting out actor. Huge grab a camera and can show like. Where you guys didn't have that like men were really throwing a Frisbee into the into the abyss here when you were bitching it. Thirty positive that we could do it. Useful. I'm. Like I guess is the word thing. I mean, we all started fell. Very cocky. In terms of. I mean I. Think. We, all worked I just come off of a TV show, Louis, Guzman I the year. Before I'd done fifteen network TAT's tests during pilot season or whatever. The. Okay and Glenn Harrington Works and Rob Works a lot. So we kind of felt like, all right we. We're GONNA work. was that we could pull it off I. Think we were just saying. Yeah. Show Shot I. See you only nobody like now that I live in La. I'm like Oh. Yeah. I see why you didn't think throwing a Frisbee and the best fifteen that means you're in fifteen pilots basic. Are you tested? I was casting your tested, but you knew there was some quality. People did not me? Entities this guy, this guy at plus a show will not equal anything. This is what I will never tire talking about and I. Think there are a lot of people listening that are like when you have an idea and you believe in that, we want to see it through and this is something that I think was trimmed out of the sunny mythology. So maybe you could take me through a little bit. I. Know You did some theater and then take me take me to La. Are. Actually like to dispel the idea. But I've carried for decades that you guys were literally just like I think we can do this and you must have had a gangbusters bitch. You were working and you you had a time in your life where you were grinding. Yes. So. So. I went to college than it was at the Williamstown. Theatre Festival alive. Then I got an agent through that and I was in a great group of actors. There was myself in Sterling Brown Jimmy Simpson Kathryn Hahn. Be, just. The talent was incredible. And sort of boot camp for acted and you really learn. Okay. How do I? How do I shine in audition? How do I? How do you find that? Now? I'm just thinking about someone listening and they're like, well, that's incredible. How do I get a boot camp somebody had? It was a guy in my college who was a you know a guy who's thirty in college. On there, and he knew that I wanted to be an actor and he said you should check out this summer Vita festival and it's it's a really sort of prestigious one. In the first year I went that I just emptied trash cans and build sets, mason a line in the play, and then I kept auditioning and they had a program that I kept getting back in this. Great. This is the other side I love that stuff. But this is what crashing was about I was like the part. That's the montage. Yeah. Charlie sweeping is sort of the most interesting thing because to me, it's like it's like pulling back the bow, we all love the Arrow sailing through. Yeah. But you're you had. Even. Though you were three, we're getting to that later. But confident guys the believed that you had talent and thought you had something to offer. There was also some humility i. know we sound like old men, but I love stories of like you weren't entitled. You're like I'll take out the fucking trash oh. Yeah. I mean? Like I. Lived in new. York in a basement apartment didn't answer phones an waited tables and did the whole thing and then. By fourth summer or my third summer at that festival, a got an agent, some dominated play and said, hey I'll sign you. and. Then it started making money doing commercials. I did a lot of. Commercials in, you know the occasional like a few lines on law and order. Now. The. New York Grind. I did that too. Did you go to house? Did House exist when you were there? Now, I think I had laughed right around one house. I'd just think you and I were living that same life where like I can't walk around New York to this day without pointing out to val where the casting offices are and. This is where I almost got. Sharman. I, Miss that excitement just. You know just felt like, Hey, I can. I can make it be an actor. You know I someone wants to be my agent. And all these plays now and What am I I think. Don't think qualities is I've always really felt. Good about what was happening? Done like two commercials I was like I'm a success. You know. I had that too I. It's a good way to be I. Know People that are happy, and then sometimes I have to tell them look at all the things you've done. No To be nostalgic. Walla tap is like a huge life hack, not just for life, not just for show business, but for life. But specifically, for show business, I, remember calling my brother from an an ad place. I, could take you there I. think it's on twin nineteenth street or something. Anyway. I just told my brother that I was taking a commercial acting class. And I was over the moon that I was in a commercial acting class. I, know that sounds like Ni- naive ninety. But I was like I was doing a standup and there were other things happening and he was also just so impressed. I still remember I'm embarrassed that I remembered. But he I do a good impression. My rather goes. You're slow in the process of becoming the man dude. In that. that. Blind sort of like yellow shirt optimism. I. I'm with you. I think you. aspired. Needed to make it in this business. Yeah. You, you you know you gotTa, you gotta be able to believe you. Can you know? Make. Something out of nothing. Yeah, and. And you gotta you gotTa. Kinda Grind 'cause, right? When. I'm with you taking the train. Sorry. I'm still slowing you down on this. But taking remember a Tuesday and you had an additional eleven and you had an addition, it's three and that was your day. Yeah. and. That was like a great day. Big Day out of. The net. And, I, worked at like you know if I had a Decision commercial thing. But if I had a scripted audition I worked shit. I was always completely off book while you know. because. I always figured. That's. I it's my chance to perform it. So you know if they see they like it. So. hoagie. Only Hales said on this podcast something I think you'll still find valuable although I haven't. I'm saying this because it's awesome. I have to think you probably your past edition Ingrid things but he said. I used to love auditioning because it was the time where it was mine. It was all like no one. Even tell you how to do And to this day I, still read for things. and. I'm like this is my time to do it. My way it'll change, it'll be rewritten. You'll be directed. You'll be edited. But in that audition, you can enjoy it and that's the same thing we're talking about. That's a motherfucker that was like I can't believe I get to act today like. That's something you can't fake Tony was does around in those New York days. At accused, he was buddies with my roommate Jimmy. Simpson together. and. So yes. So just was years of that and I didn't have to have a day job making enough money doing a commercial or something here. They're. To. Pay. Rent. Was Your I do remember my first commercial? Yeah. These a footlocker commercial. We were you in the. Jersey. First. Big. One is did cascade commercial where I was like a college graduated I was saying I was GONNA retire. added. Something to do with how the the cascade works but. That's. Enough money like that and. You I. Think I've made like. Ten Thousand Dollars which for a twenty. Three year old or twenty, four year old like this huge. Yeah. And then. And then. You know I was just doing the New York academic and taking it very seriously definitely trying to. Omega idolized Sam Rockwell. I knew all his like indie films and you're the same rockwell quality. I've never really thought of because I was like he reminded me of me in a way where I thought. Okay. There's a guy who's lasts is you know you're not Tom Cruise, right? You're. You're like, I'm not Brad Pitt Tom Cruise. So what am I? I'm John, Ritter. When I saw John Ritter was like I and this is before I grew up to look So much like I, know his his his wife now. Not Well. But like I've met her a few times and she she's like you look so much like I'm like. Of. Course like he was my Avatar, he was the guy that you saw on the screen. That you were like this. This is me and you do have that and I love Samdrup Jews. He is the best. The just watched What's galaxy quest for the first time? In the corner thing? This is how I fell in love San Rocco. So Sterling. K. Brown and I were We went to go see galaxy quest. and. You. Loved it. I didn't know San Rocco yet, and he so great it. And then we snuck into the Green Mile after memory when he's feeling. Better and watch the Green Mile and it was about you know ten fifteen minutes into Santa Performance I realized it was the same actor. And I. Went down to local video store. You know the H.. ACID. Bobby. My. Lawn. Dogs at the. Sundance movies, and you probably had to talk to the cleric Lake something else. That's. Absurd. Cuban being in an open unbuttoned flannel shirt and it's disinterest look on their face. But a love of film I, know again, I feel like an old man, but like the way that when I went to. A hardware store as a kid I felt like all of the hardware store employees were experts in hardware, and now I feel like we've sort of lost that art. If you've been to hardware store late like it's just a bunch of people that will google things for you now. With the video store, the video store that I used to go to in Chicago is called Darkstar video and that dude would recommend. Like you know he'd be like, have you seen my dinner with Andre or something that you never would've watched and you're like Oh, my God I'm getting school class from this guy. shorted my acting education, which is like. I mean, aside, Williamstown experienced few college classes. I would just go rent movies with. Actors I admired. You know your Hunter Watch. Anything on. Penn? Did ever. and. Just try to try to learn their moves and then At. Definitely would that was the goal for me was to be much more of that type of an actor although I liked. Acting enough that it'd be like, please put me in a Sitcom, whatever just WANNA work. But I couldn't get around. I. Couldn't get arrested in college. Yeah, I was playing like the junky younger brother in third. Watch, of one of the cops. Occurring role I had and. I just I. I can do the commercials I guess, but I just couldn't cook a Sitcom or even a comedy part in a movie. So, interesting and seeing as our conversation started. You have comedy voice. I. Think you know that because you lean into it. There's something just really funny about the way you put sentences, sentences together. You're funny when you get worked up all of this is a compliment by the way. was completely unaware of it. What I'm getting worked up in a scene, you're just getting work done. Just getting worked up in a scene. I. Just happened to sound like a ridiculous human being is so good though it's Jhangvi -able. I mean I think I. Think it's something to be very a proud of unhappy, but that's just naturally how you sound. I'm grateful now that I uh Rear. But that that's so amazing. I'm with you on Sam Rockwell too because I watched there's A. I think it's called I forget what is called, but there's a documentary about galaxy quest that we watched after we watch galaxy quest and they talk specifically about how Sam Rockwell was about to break like he. He didn't really have a break I. I'm pretty sure until then and he had the green mile coming out. Yeah. Everybody was sort of concerned that here's the sort of they didn't know what was going to happen with quest ended up finding this cult following, but they're like Oh my God. There's this like very, it's the same thing with Alan. Alan Rickman, there's this very a serious actor. Is he going to do it like an? Is he going to give it life to put himself behind it and he commits I? Think that's that's the genius of him. In that movies. You're like this guy is not. There's not even a hint of I can't believe I'm in a no disrespected. Tim Allen, but he could have been like I. Don't want to be in the Tim Allen Comedy Right now, but he did he just takes the acting very seriously. I think that was just such a good. Lesson for me as a young actor to do that whether it was a comedy or drama didn't really matter. You gotta play everything like at the drought. Yeah. And you know. Hopefully, the lines are funny when it's a comedy, this timing things, of course with comedy but. And so you don't Su Jimmy Simpson, I lived make all these funny home videos at our apartment in this pre youtube. So these are just for us we. Did that too. Yeah, and. Edited in camera like you'd just be rewinding it and then try deposit on the cut point. Watch it. Yeah Yeah, yeah and the camera. There is a, there's a great movie called safe men that San Rockwell Steve Zahn Paul Giamati Zenit John Hamburg road at a comedy stage crackers. Seem. So funny in that movie in such a subtle way and a lot of there seems because they were saved crackers whispering in the scenes now. And hoping be will think of me a whisper but I'm. Like you know Jimmy and play with that. We could shoot things and we would act out the scenes in trice and really smaller. You know subtler kind of ways of going up comedy and just. It was just such a great way to learn how to do it, and then you're seeing yourself. And you're getting used to look. You know how you sound. But isn't that what we were talking about earlier to is that the situation cracking a safe is a quiet situation explaining, Chicago, in my apartment is a funnier place to Fart, right? Yeah. Yeah. Then add Chili Festival. Like you you were learning. Oh comedy doesn't have to be. And it can be cracking a safe I. Mean. This was Tarantino were similar age when we saw pulp fiction and it's two hitman talking about what they call a quarter pounder. You're like this is funny and it's funny for the same thing we've always done in comedy is because you're betraying type or you're you're you're having a conversation, you shouldn't be having while you crack a safe or your your cold blooded hitman and you're talking about, McDonalds, like there's something funny about situations, and then the actors can play it as real as they want as long as the material is good. And I liked both both styles comedy to because then I love Chris Farley and yeah. I mean, when you saw eastern Tura at high school did not blow your mind wide open of course, and so I remember seeing the preview for Ace Ventura, and now I was already like I, it was like seeing my life. Like? Oh, there's a grownup person because he seemed like such a grownup. Now, you watch these educated. You're like, that's what the what I WANNA do. That's what I was doing in those videos that we were editing in the camera. I'm with you. No disrespect to stuff because when we started talking I've told you that we watched the day man episode. Over and over and over, and if I brought valley and here she could sing I'm going to call it an Aria as you're being lower. Charlie I. Really Hope this can get in your heart because you should feel i. hope you feel good. We rewound. It's like But there's a part where your voice cracks go. Kind of cross that threshold that boys have in their vocal register. But you do it. I'm surprised. I knew it. But I I shouldn't be because we watch it so many times and it's pretty good. You rewound it. Over and over and over and. Not. Fifteen times and it's fucking. Homeland areas every time and it's what we're talking about you found. The most heightened you invited the girl you like to play play is a great place for labs, which is why that episode great is. There's tension I was just talking about why is the office you talked about Ricky, office, and the office in general is so funny is because there's a certain way you're supposed to behave in office, and there's a certain way you're supposed to behave in a theater show and you're betraying it and you're even betraying your own show and I got off into fan town, but it's just like so that's as to me. That's so fucking. We'll speak to that to that moment in in that. You know I think I. Look I owe a lot of that show to all those movies that I was just devouring as a young man. So that dropping down on the sun. That's that's John Brennan tweet lowdown. The Great. Scene where he's terrified. He's come up with this great idea that he's going to descend on this moon and but then he he he is terrified about it. The way he actually gets up quite Larry's Nah. You can buy characters make up in that. That will that's waiting for Guffman. Don't just that. That heavy eyeliner. That S yes. Totally made up certain stage by. So you're definitely. Influenced, the way you know all all the if you try to watch good movies I am. Friends. I. Know that love to watch really bad movies and I. Don't WanNa Watch. Bad Movie. Movies. Sometimes watch bad move, but I understand. Will will pay off and you're trying to make something that's going to resonate. Will Are you familiar? There's you look it up on Youtube Jim Carey's like I'm pretty. It's like it's the thrusting of the hips and and I'm not sure if it's like all righty then, but there's he has been open about that. He got those moves from something. It's another monty python type thing. Forgive me, I'm not I'm not living up to my comedy duties, but he's like if you watch, you're like, oh, he got that sort of like is your number still none one sorta thing from this guy and he's on this is not me pulling the sheet off? He's been open about it he did. Get something from somebody. Yes. Everybody in. It's the Picasso, great, Artists Steal. But when we say steel, we don't. It's so interesting. I always think of it as a blender. Put, enough influences in and blend net. Your Voice, it's so strange will kind of come out through that blending process like the your Eunice will be expressed. Through your influences there've been times when I'm sure you have to where I watched somebody. I'm like, Oh, I think I'm an influence on this guy, and you don't get mad you go like, yeah, I was doing Brian Regan for ten years and Seinfeld and all these Steve Martin and that, and that was in my blender and and then. Ask. Certain point you do it long enough something. There's a birth thing, and now you sound like Charlie deck even though you were doing these other things. Yeah. Never did stand. But I imagine specifically in stand that there's a lot of that right, which is that you have to try everyone style before you find your own Dude I. Wonder if I'll blow your mind I, realize this podcast, fat guy. Little. Code. Who does that sound like it's Bill Murray. Hey Sing like Bill Murray. That's not the put it down. That's to say everybody's doing it. So like your point, two young creatives listening to me, keep feeding yourself good shit. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. Just devour everything. I'm Kinda. Mad At myself. slowed a little bit in i. need to I, need to re up my watching things. Being apparent that slows it down, but let me keep going the. Disease. So it's in this time in New York and making the movies, Jimmy. David Hornsby. Who's big writer contributor actor on Sunny. That I get out to test for a pilot. In La. And on the plane, need a young man name, Rob mcilhenny and. Hype. and. It's the kind of thing where you're both in the airport, like that guy looks like an actor. Actor. Like who else are they flying out to test. Right? Odd. And so. I I don't know who introduced to but got talking and started hanging out I. Think I actually, he had rented a car. So I hitched a ride within the dish everything. Was He testing for the same show we were testing for part. Get the fuck out. That is one of my favorite La Cliches 'cause like we were saying you have to learn to enjoy these things when you're walking into a building and I see another tall lanky as goofy motherfucker. I'm like I like it sometimes I get the feeling. They don't like it, but I'm like you're reading for Stu. Aren't you I? Think it's so funny. But there's a bunch of people that look the same yeah I now and so. Well, so we we went and we both read for the part, but they pulled the plug on the pilot like that day. Second time in a row would happen to me like Robert Remember being really upset about it and I was like, this is what happens. They fly out in, cancel the pilot. But, then we just became buddies. And start hanging out in? New. York, a little bit. Did you sit together on the plane I'm sorry to keep slowing you down, but like I'm like. The long flight, I don't think we sat together I. Think we had different. You really bonded on the ride and maybe at the audition and. We're like, what was it? Do you remember because this is such a classic I mean as a history-making meeting. was there a moment where you were like? This is my kind of motherfucker writer. Not Remember one, but I mean I, think I was. Always, a genuinely sorta affable guy and and. I think at that age too. I was into just meeting whoever you now I wear. I wanted to know more people make more friends. And I imagine round was found in the same way. So. Or who knows, maybe we just had a you're bringing me back. You're being too when we used to commercial audition and if there was another actor. I still get juice just meeting another comedian. Even if I don't know anything about them, I'm just like. And, I've been doing a twenty years. I'm still kind of five. It's like one of the reasons I loved running into you. At that party I was like, this is fine. I WANNA talk to. Some of it. But when we were young men when we were in our twenties, it was like Holy Shit another one. So I, completely understand. Yeah, Eso. It was unreal like a hey, you're you know. We're in the same boat in an ADENOID. probably exchanged home phone numbers. I, Don. Now gives maybe I gave him my Did you a thing where was like your phone number and you check the pay phone? It was like a etc service. So answering machine. Dunno must have been computer somewhere, but I would like. You know pony order to pay phone and dial this number, and it was like my personal answering machine, an answering service. Doesn't have that in swingers. I feel like that was that was of a time when it was like call my service, you'd give out your number for your circle. Yeah, origin. Banks. and. The whole line was unreliable of yours. That crappy answering machine might break or a busy signal. Your roommate like a racist or whatever you know yeah yeah yeah. So I, don't know that we bonded and then. Now, the next step is to me, but I moved out to La. Forearm like maybe. Six months or year before him. And then he came out and. End We were continued the friendship out here and started filming a few things together because he knew I was still doing stuff with Jimmy. Jimmy, moved out here and I moved in with him out here. And we just made a few funny videos was writing a lot. So we would do readings of his. Movies writings for serious movies and things. Ownership what fun. Yeah. And then we just kind of hanging out being young guys hanging out. and. I remember this specifically I I had a great gig as the voice of the independent film channel for years. So for many years, those are sweet gigs. Oh, buddy. It was very sweet. In fact, I almost turned it down because I had a callback for the movie eight mile. The EMINEM. and. It was such a big deal for me. and. The commercial agent said Yeah. But you gotta go take this recording GIG and I said. You know this is a Curtis Hanson, film? You know they they really like me now in. The late management was the casting director and she was like really on my side a lot and. And the guys like, no you. You might make like eighty this year. So okay. Kyle. Kinane is the voice of Comedy Central and I. I don't know this from Kyle, but I feel like first hand. But I'm always like if you can just be recurring. Voiceover in a thing I mean, just the the quantity of things you'll be attached to. Oh, it was awesome. So for three years. You know I don't know exactly how much it made with taxes or whatever, but it was just it was great and it's like A. Rob Office, he was waiting tables and come to my apartment. I'd have a pile of cash. Jackson? My. Isn't. Schwartzman. In funny people. Terrible. Man. I'm my privilege. I mean, look at this. Golden Boys for you know. As say a little bit of rasp industry loves the little RASP. That was the only voiceover. GIG? I. Hadn't many years I didn't do another one. But and. This time I've never get one randomly. The independent film channel wanted to sort of offbeat voice in. But Then I remember as recording one of those met rob for like coffee across the street. And we just hanging out had a conversation we were saying, you know we really should just try to make our own show. We try to make our own thing was, what was the spirit of that? Was it frustration that Moore wasn't happening or was it just kind of like wild eyed wide eyed sort of like we can do whatever we want. This is our time. It was it was that we can do whatever. I walk like I have a lot of that rob has that states. which is I have a lot of like, Hey, I, WanNa do something put together. Rob. Is it more than anyone I've ever met and? Just. Like that sort of like, go get him. I WANNA go make a big thing. At the time, just a conversation and then. Passed I wound up getting a job in the Luis Guzman shows a will gluck show. And the end we did like thirteen episodes in. And I remember thinking after that. Okay. I, really really would want to do something robin been off. I. Didn't know this working with Glenn. And they've been developing script for the pilot. and they came to me and they said look I'm probably made the correctly. Maybe forgetting details maybe started with just wrote a scene and I said Hey, let's do this funny scene about someone comes to someone's house. At just want sugar. Glenn comes to my house and then. I tell them that kids are, and then he's like, okay. How do I get out of the apartment and how do I also get the sugar? Ha. What a perfect little snapshot experiment of Like I think. That becomes sort of the tone of the show. It was. Yeah. It was the it was the DNA for what the show. and. You know shot bad in, it was really sunny and then. Sarah developed full length pilot and they. decided to shoot it together. And so we shot entire version of the pilot. Ourselves does with cameras. Like. Panasonic DX one, hundred I, remember with cameras because I wound up buying one my IFC money. I. Think it was like two thousand dollars. It was a great investment. And we. Who in the group knew about? And shooting, and cameras I mean, was it just you guys enthusiasts? I. Think they're. Fran, around Glenn at a friend who helped us with the very first one. I think and he knew a little bit about the camera and showed us. and then. We didn't know much against life the lighting. Look. Great. At the way. We knew enough intuitively to not screw the angles up. But we just cross covered everything, which is that you know. But. You knew to do that. I? Mean that that's not beginner stuff. I do want to give another shout out there. So many youtube channels I feel like this is right up your alley. You can go down a worm hall on Youtube for three hours and I swear it's a year of film school I. Just it is like now watching and I didn't direct crashing. But you know when you're the writer Creator, you're sort of involved. You were the same hats director, where begs right? You picking the props? You choosing the location, you're casting the show. You're giving actors, Direction. You right everything except where the camera goes. That's right and he. Moved the camera. If you don't like where the director, that's true, that's what they say. TV is the Writers Medium and film directors medium, but so I also got to observe all these directors. So I'm saying from that whatever authority that gives me that these youtube videos that I watch about crossovers analyze scenes like seen breakdowns. Look at how they cross the line here. I. Sort of learned a lot of that stuff after I made TV watching youtube videos. So when you when you talk about cross coverage being young men knowing while we want to like. It. Seems like a bad move especially in a comedy. Judge Judge, there's a lot of cross coverage to 'cause you WanNa get the riffs you want. The real reactions to bring people in who might not know we're talking about if I shoot a scene and I should all your parts and I'm off camera and then we turn around and shoot all my parts. It's not going to have the same music as if we were getting both at the same time. Right, that's right, which is what you did. So I think maybe we'd. Got, sort of feeling from the offense, the British office and maybe curb your enthusiasm edit was hand-held and we knew we knew he could do that. We knew we didn't need Dali's all sorts of things. You know we had a cheap boom to cameras. And like a guy who knew about like white balancing or something, but I don't think we ever properly didn't. Answer the first one was shot. Was Okay not great, and so we tossed it. the Fuck Outta. I. Love this story with I'm about I, I. Love You guys were like, let's do something and then you're like, let's just shoot it. I mean like I feel like that force. Is. Why you guys are so successful and so good, and I can't I'm sorry to slow it down I. Just WanNa save read you hated the first one and you threw it away and like whatever that is, that is the glue that holds together. The LEGO death star of your dream is the instinct ago. I think this sucks. and. Unfortunately I have that in spades and it's a curse, which is like nothing is ever good enough. Really, well, ever good enough I pretty much feel at the end of every sunny so that we blew it. Moosh it, and it takes me about a year to be like, this is actually GonNa Fun, and then I love it. Yeah. But in the moment that always striving for something I, can never achieve terrible. I'm reading this. It's called the good neighbor. It's the Mister Rogers biography and believe it or not. He was the same way he'd stopped production on this pretty. Pretty. Low budget show to like, consult and re writing, and so I was just like I love knowing that even something like sunny. Mister Rogers Mister Rogers feels Albright an easy and like we're just having fun with puppets and your show does I mean this is a common feel like funny people fucking around underneath that is we're throwing this pilot away and A certain. I see two energies, right. You have the Charlie Day. That's like I can't believe I'm an actor. I can't believe you're an actor. Let's be friends. This is amazing. I think it was good I. Think I'm great. I'm GonNa prep this addition because I want to be excellent, and then there's this part that I think you also need the Yang of that which is like I think this might suck because. If you have that, then you're going to just show everyone crap unless you just happen to be a genius guess not. I mean, and I don't remember if it was me or WHO's Rider Glenn? WHO's all collectively? Just we just knew it was off. We. We knew it wasn't so much crap that we were like, Hey, let's never tried to make a show again like there was enough there to be like. Okay. Almost. What's wrong? And then we did it again. the second time around we got in much better shape dot gus. We can actually show people this while. The quality of re shooting something, we did this. You know there's that doritos contest where you make a commercial for the Super Bowl, a lot of young filmmakers and stuff do that. We did that. One of the first year is me and Orrin McCarthy this sort of film group that we had, and we shot one and it was dorito Scotch was was the premise and it's every chip has the equivalent of a shot of Scotch and the guy gets drunk Mateus, and then we're like I think we should reshoot it. It's more Super Bowl Li to make it beer. This is. Is the same situation by by the way friends with cameras location that somebody lent us just just that that. That early energy that we habit you guys have, and we re shot it, and when we reshad it, we made it so much faster. We like every say everything faster because it's thirty seconds everything faster. So it was so much faster than we actually had time in the commercial. You know sometimes after the product screen, there's enough time for little tag a little NB. So it was ten times better for being reshot because we had the experience of watching it and going like. Why are we talking so slowly? Something when you're look like I I imagined. You know I imagine. Wes Anderson doesn't see get to the end moving be like. This like like there are certain people that they've got. Down there style so much and I don't feel that way about sunny. Now. I don't see Saudi Say Gosh. I. Wish we could read whole thing. When you're starting out and you're beginning and you're in that trial and error phase of of what is your voice and what a show is specifically show. Yeah. Just reduce something is. What. What got picked up. What was the difference? Did you rewrite or did you just chain do perform differently? I can't. Remember. It's so long ago I know forgive me this I. Just Watch an interview with David Foster Wallace where they're asking him about an infinite jest, and it's the most uncomfortable thing I've seen because he keeps going. It was. It was seven years ago and and he's sweating and like he can't remember. So I am not doing that yellow straight this when we shot that pilot was twenty, seven, forty, four. Yeah. I think one thing was not to discredit David Hornsby. But David Hornsby played round mcilhenny role. The first time we did it And was going to do it the second time as well. But. had take a trip to. The couldn't move without allergies should round. And it is Boy. It made more sense for WHO's writing for himself in a way yeah. Yeah. I love that. That's like that's like a falling in love story like there's so many things like that. I don't want to go into specifics for the same reason, because I, don't WanNa, hurt feelings. But there were there were many times. The many things that I've done were, what we wanted got shifted because of something like a trap or another job or somebody that we books we were really excited about couldn't do it, and then we're like we'll just give it to this prison, and then it's like it couldn't have been anybody else couldn't have been Al. Pacino, like this is perfect. And that sort of providence stories like desert are dripping with that and I. I. Love It. I'm not surprised but I love it. Yeah. No. Apart, they could mean, who knows you know that's A. Are Meant to be a certain way by David Hornsby you know he plays a character called Ricky cricket. Our show starts out as a uptight priest is in love with D. in that, he just slowly devolves or very season. I was just watching the the state of Virginia. I was just watching man, that's what I said he deterred. and. And he's written on every season of the show to, and he'll land world-class ready starring on our apple show that we have a committee quest. Okay. Dealing with aggressor involved in that, I was involved in the writing of the pilot and then haven't been involved since that. So. I. Think a pop in the editing room twice to be like I like it looks really good. That's great. That's that's all Megan's Dan Hornsby and routed. They're just knocking out of the park. That's great. I didn't know was Meghan. Meghan is a friend of mine She's wonderful. She's brilliant. Anyway. So after we shot that, we had sent it to our agents and. 'cause think like we were. We were all represented at three arts entertainment which a great management company We were all at WMA. Like just three guys in the middle of nowhere we had access to. To get in the right hands and they like the idea that they were gonNA. Set up meetings to pitch it. and. then. Just. Months went by accident waiting to have a meeting with like big producers. Think we've met with. We were supposed to meet with John Fabra, but it just kept getting put off, put off but. You Know I. Love Jon Favreau, but I'm also really glad I. Don't cut him a check every week. Isn't it interesting? One of those moments where you realize. May like you didn't know that you could do it on your own until you add to sort of thing. Oh, yeah. No, I did. Yeah. And then. While we were waiting. We shot up second episode. So. I, love the story. This is what I miss man. I miss this especially because we're all inside these stories of just the wild west of like we're going to make another one I fuck in. Love it because it's not, let's make a show to be rich or famous. It's like we it's something that was waking you up at night. You know what? I mean. It's something that you needed to do, and that's fucking I. can't get enough of that out there the cycle and the second one was really funny and I believe it was the second one that. Rob took around town for the pitch meetings. Get Out loud, and we decided that we wouldn't go to the pitch because we were so green and had been in the before was just like. He's just the nation in that way. And he I think he wanted to like to be the guy and so he took that episode. and. Pitched it I mean, we pitched it everywhere, but you know what? Muslims were going by, we weren't getting these meetings with producers. And I think. We threatened although. It's funny looking back as the agencies will with you guys, but we like threaten to fire the agents. Take the pilot like, CNA, I. have been robbed maybe the code. There was a coup and that's when the meetings got said like, okay. We'll set on his meetings up and then I think we. said. We're giving you a real budget to shoot a real pilot were. There are a lot of steps forward even. Came to the air. So then we shot another pilot of sort of a hybrid of the two episodes. and. That one I think we have like a real budget of like two hundred, thousand dollars was nothing much, but it was enough to. Make It, look. Okay. and. And then they picked it up for seven episodes. Wow. There's so much so much unpacking so much that I love about it again, just stand on its own, I could just be like what was Rhode Island like but. I I was the best I know I know where you're from I would've said about anything I lost my virginity in Rhode Island Providence. Still there after go get. Okay, that is a dumb as. Bad. As joke, and I love it and I'm feeling the shame, and that's what it is to be alive. Say. Do Nine jokes in my head, and I was like now A. Travel. My God of course, I now know the jokes. Yeah There's too many jokes. Zero refers blow job is the setup, and then there's a million watch the sopranos. If you want to hear the punchline gives their jokes. About a bang I just to relate because I wanNA talk about the energy behind this. It's so helpful to people that are creative in whatever field they are just being creative in life. I wrote the pilot for crashing, and then in that interim which you and I both know talking about bad jokes but I find it helpful to remember that show business slow business I know that stupid. But I'm not trying to be funny. It's really helpful to remember. You can be on such a fast track I was like you guys shot something talk about a fast-track. You have it. Here it is. You'd think you'd be like, okay. Can we start you probably as young men even been like we might be shooting this this summer? Like, should we look for director like I? Love getting ahead of myself? With crashing I was like we got Jed. And this is after HBO. No they didn't they. We hadn't pitched yet, but we were setting up pitches and he had the pilot and I just had a month, the just kind of waiting around for things to happen. And I wrote. I wrote five episodes per judd's requests. He was like just write another one, and then he was just write another one and just write another one. So we wrote five can come to find out years later. HBO picked up the show and then I found out that they were like we didn't even get it until we read the second. So something like if we just been like all right though setup, the pitches will wait a couple of months. It probably wouldn't have happened because. The whole like. You're with a different person being needed to be illustrated and they were like, okay, we got it and then I like telling this not that it's all about money, but they retroactively bought the scripts that we never shot them. But they were like amy, Schumer Scripts, all these guests I don't know if we could get, but they bought them. So it was like. The. Stuff that you're doing just because it's written on your heart to do ends up. Being bought, there's something that feels very satisfying about like to reward that sort of. Enthusiasm. Yeah. Well, it takes that enthusiasm, but you're right. It takes two things move. So slowly and you want to think that they move quick and crazy things happen in maybe for like just an acting situation. Yes, things can move quick. You can do audition. Next thing you know you're moving moves big hit. Your career is taking off the that has happened for people I'm sure. But even even that audition by the time they got into was was years and years and years. Set up and the that's right. Especially, if you're talking about making something selling something convincing anyone to make anything, it's very difficult to do. You. Think. By the way that apple show. that. Like Robin I. So we had a little time between seasons and rob had gone up to video game company and said Hey. This isn't really funny world. Would you be interested in writing a show? Man Said, yeah, I think I give run show. All right. And You know we wrote the we wrote them pilot fairly quickly But. In hitching it around town, we didn't get a lot of bites. Including and I mean. I. Don't mean to bite the hand that feeds me, but like you know affects passed on it. And you would think. That a workplace comedy. From the two guys that have brought you in arguably your longest running most successful show about nine. Maybe the most successful I don't know I don't know the economics and business the certainly the long run. Yes. You would think that a workplace comedy is safe bet. You know everyone has Different agendas in different tastes, and it's very, also very heartache. Convince someone what is in your head or even on the page y'all look like right, and so that's why I think. Not only is it takes a lot of time, but it's it's hard to convince people. What, something can beat which why we shot sunny originally because when you can actually see. There's a lot less explaining to what it's GonNa be. But of course, the risk then is any. You could show it to my mother and she would know if it works or not. You know like to a certain extent. Yeah. So like you're you're putting your tripling down and going like this is what it is. But if they really know what it is, it also makes it easier to say, no, well depends on the thing you're making. Right. So if you're making a workplace comedy remaking budget people in an apartment or something, then you probably can pull that off if you if you are making a inner space comedy then yeah, he probably WanNa. Shoot yourself or. Quest. We watched the pilot. I. Thought the pilot was great. By the way I have the same card to play where it's like. It's really hard to. Have a joke about people say like, have you seen mythic questioning? What do I work for the TV like I'm sorry. I get to it. But that some times how I feel. But I thought it was great and and I don't normally necessarily notice things like this I was like this is a high budget, Joe, the game. Like I play games and I was like this whole thing if the game looks stupid, yeah, everybody's out. Everybody is completely like. Is that a to interview you about mythic West. Maybe that's not were you WanNa talk about, but it's like. Where did the game come from? was that developed for the show? And like I said, I'm not totally on the incentive of how they pulled everything off. But So. We had a partner new this off, which is where rob had gone to huge games of. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure that they helped create the animation for the little pieces of the game that you see in the show. So we had an actual video game company. Know. Of course, but it's not I. Mean just a complement to the show again. We'll get back to your yours world. I'm watching it like it wasn't just like. You see the title screen, you see like game play, and I'm like really watching it with the lens having played assassin's creed them like. Are they just repurposing shit and it looks really really good. They end the end. The sat looks great and I was like this is a high budget show Yes. A legit. Naked stronger to. Go Out of ROB. Record one. At, that his sister Katie wrote Six episode edits like a flashback to the. With the Jake. Johnson. This is the one I'm friends with. Dana. WHO's at Apple? WHO's a friend of mine, and she was like you gotTa. Watch that episode. That was the one that you. They're very proud of that episode. One anyways. That's great. You know. Let's just talk about that for nine hours, Jacob. I want to know a little bit about what you've learned. From the beginning to now, when it comes to the day to day the running it, the writing it, there have to be huge mistakes and stuff his what I, what I'm always fascinated with to give you a little context of why I want to know this is you take people who are artists and Chris. Rock I've said there's a million, he's like giving a comedian. A show is like giving a waiter. Waiter a restaurant like, why would a waiter know how to run a restaurant yet? We're doing that. You take a Sam Rockwell enthusiast who loves acting loves the CRAP loves writing. You're good at all, and then you're like, okay, welcome to and I don't mean grind in a bad way. But welcome to a timetable. Welcome to Monday Monday morning. Welcome to deadlines. Welcome to notes. Welcome to edits. Welcome to you gotTA. My friend. Tommy. WHO's a CEO or CFO? I? Don't even know CEO see he. Knows what? He's a high up in the business world and I was like Dude, next show that I do I'm GonNa talk to you, and I wanna read some books on business management when it comes to like incentivizing writers. Giving them a sense of ownership over the show giving them a sense of place and belonging and structure. All these things that like we need, you had to learn how to do that. The sunny have like a traditional rumor you running the room. Yeah. So we have traditional room than rob and myself and. Megan Ganz David. Hornsby. Run it at this point and I mean. In terms of how to do it, it's different for right in. It's it's changed through the years and I think it starts. Okay. Be a decent human being like I. Don't know. I can't speak for other people. I think people have worked on our show for so long and stay with us because we created or at least try to create a good work environment. Don't be an asshole. You're just making a TV show star start with right. Then people don't dread going to work. So that's probably certainly if you're running a comedy I think that's helpful. I Megan. Obviously had lots of horror stories. About. During writing rooms in I know she is really enjoyed working on Sunday. But mostly I think. It's it's interesting where. I just written directed movie that just sort of finishing up. As a very different thing because. What's great about TV is you have. Others voices, you have that team of writers. You have I have Robin Glen Mcginn argue about what's the best way to do something? Now. You also have that on a movie. You know you have your editor, you have your caution designer, you have a producer but. It's intelligence really a great sort of almost team. Atmosphere? Like. Here, WE ARE PACA writers. We have this mission you know have to make. We don't do that many ten episodes. Right? We're going to break it up in the first five and then the second five. Annual spend the first. Few weeks, just talking about general story ideas you know. Some might say Waterpark, right? Okay. Yeah. Where is it going? Will break the rooms up. and. We'll. Talk about that and then? Why do you break up? You want it's almost like splitting up witnesses or suspects who crime he wants them to each develop their own story you want. For Time so for. Yeah. So we'll get to two different rooms working two different stories because we gotta. We gotta get him gone. earned. The earlier days of doing rob and I would be in one room of the glands, well, the whole time or actually we would all. All in the same room at the same time, then we started breaking the two rooms than we. And then. Now. We have. David. Run the room and or Meghan Meghan run the other room, and Robin I will be we ragnar script writing script from scratch. Are they long days? Are you are you alike, let's grind and stay for dinner Kinda, room, or you know. I love it. My whole thing 'cause I was on, I wrote on some shows. They were great shows would stay for dinner and they'd always be not often. But there would always be a nagging voice where I was like. This about SNL, it's like SNL. Could be nine to five. You don't have to write from eight PM. Like, you don't have to let me ask you this because sunshine. You you might have to because if it's if it's a network show and you've gone and like a so I written a multi-candidate did one season of it called the cool kids and now now. and. Wasn't able to be there the whole time pilot pilot, but like shot Around the pilot. But. Then what I would pop in when I was free to pop in. For a table, read at the network blow something up and you're shooting it on. Friday in front of a live audience than those guys did have to grind it out and of course of Korla. That's that's like a ticking clock, but I just thought it was it was when I was writing on a multi cam. Those were longer hours. Yeah. Tough. But was send. You know we're just trying to get it all written first so that we're not writing in our trailers while shooting, which inevitably happens with at least one scripts but. Yeah. So we get all about editor, a lot of what I would love you mentioned, wes. Anderson. The COEN brothers I so many of the people that I admire are the people that shoot like they. They story boarded out. They even know in no country. This is when the bullet hits the rear view mirror and excuse at this angle, and they know like, wow, that that sounds so cool to know exactly what you're going for. But when my heroes James, L. Brooks You know McKay. These guys seem to have an appreciation for like will do seventy, percent eighty percent. But then it's that twenty percent that year forced into that sort of makes the whole thing fertile. His at I sit unethically I like both so. You, know I am I shot the by moving much more like the way Conrad. In fact, they used their story board artist and throughout the entire movie before I even got that Oh Shit I. Know? Yet. Because Violence, again, I had here. He gave me the story boards asking now. I have the whole, the whole movie story out right here. My God. But and but that was essential for the fact. I was in every scene I I was in front of the camera lot and I wanted A. An I was doing it in such A. Comparatively. Achieved budget added budget, but comparatively cheap from what I am starting to pull off. I needed that plan now. Sunny. Are. Directors always come with a plan and it's great. But sometimes, you could just break. WE'RE GONNA move over here just rest. Very. Different. Look. In. Terms of the movies it doesn't really matter I mean. I love movies that are shot Loosey Goosey. I don't know conscripts as work that way where they're like. He's another one I. I watched an interview with Scorsese and I sent it to judd because I was like, this sounds like you which I think is funny I. Don't think people would necessarily be like Scorsese in Jed, but Scorsese Jeb. Where they're like. There's a certain. Gap In in the a free space to sort of figure it out as you're going PT. Anderson to I. I had a funny exchange with PD Anderson ones at Largo where I was. I knew about the master do. In Houston and you know the movie, the Master, of course. New about specifically the scene were walking jerks off on the beach. If you watch the movie, there's all this like Yeah. He was just nominated roll camera. And it's not quite that. But it was. He said an I. What makes it funny and it makes me the fool in this exchange Is that I I was like he said that was just walking being working like we just said, you're this guy. Like. Are you have you heard the theory that it's the ego and the superego Amy Adams is a superego. Phil, hopping is Ego and Joaquin is the head and he just didn't seem at all interested in that. He thought that was. So in the way of making a movie, like you can't think in those terms and I was like you know you have the the different Jerkov scenes. There's Joaquin who just jerks on the beach because he's he's like completely shameless, and then you have Phil Hoffman getting a hand job from Amy Adams in the bathroom. So there's these two very key one is like a shame. Jerk release into a sink, it's very jarring, and one is just what what Phil hopping admires. Sort of secretly about Joaquin, is that he's just an animal and just jerks off on the beach. So and so when he said that Joaquin was just improvising and they were just like we were just shooting whatever he did. and. It wasn't scripted that he jerked off I. Basically I was joking around, but I almost contested them. I was like that can't be because it was so perfect at one point. He went I've seen the movie like like he's like I, know what you mean. I. Mean Even now even if you have something really specifically tailored down to the T., you're still looking for little bursts of life. You know you're still looking for. I would say accidents but things things have come alive, right? Yeah. So I would imagine I've never imaginer. Even. Though you're being wordperfect and the shot is dialed in and deacons three, our lighting it or whatever. That they're still it'd be robotic, right. They're still looking for whatever pacing timing just gets that seeing that spark in. This just different ways to get it. You could be like, Hey, here are the here are the boundaries. And this is exactly what to do. Now, bring us to life, and then you gotta find that spontaneity within those boundaries. That's right for you. Give me like, Hey, here's a beautiful beach while game it. You're feeling Horny, go ahead and. We've got plenty of. The. Camera. Quick, because we're shooting fifty one meter and it's In my own defense, if you've seen that movie a thousand times which I have. It's like a silent movie. Obviously, it's a silent part of the movie. He is with the sand woman. He gets a look on his face, and then he goes off to the waves to to masturbate. It's so deliberate and it's so perfect. FEELS COEN brothers. That I can't believe it wasn't Coen brothers. So that's like it's like using chaos to look like a symphony instead of necessarily aiming for a specific infamy, they were doing it on the fly and I'm just blown away by that. It just seems like something that you would appreciate. What can you tell me about the movie? When when, when can people see this movie that you're working? Well, I. Don't know if people can see because I've got a little slow down by the pandemic. But I just finished a cut and actually I had Leslie Jones come on and finish the cut comanche, cut the master by the way speaking. No ship and the AD, some really great movies. The thin red line and Finding Century Women Punchdrunk love than inherent vice and she's She really had a great sort of the take on the film. And So it integrate now and I'm probably going to start taking it around town in the leading some of the streamers look at it because I think that's the world we're living in right now is going to go to the theater anytime soon. So right? Hopefully AL, get it. So the this month, and then if that's the case God willing. I said a little bit of the music to work on. So did you finance it like this wasn't something that you saw them in a studio. Said I got I got into bed. So. Okay. These guys. Are. Good. Reason partner guy named John Regard done horrible bosses in fistfight. He's been talking to me about the script for years and I'd always wanted to make it. But I I just haven't had the window and or wouldn't I couldn't find anyone sorta pony up for odd story and end. and. Let's go aggressively, try to find the financing. These guys, armory films, they did peanut butter, Falcon mudbound. And they got behind moving shot. A year ago. Okay, and Dan was cutting it. With my sunny editor Tim, Roach, and then I got a little slowdown by sunny. So I, had to deliver an episode of the Season Sunny. And then by the time, I, was getting back in the editing room. Manager head to do other job job, but I. Found Leslie and she's was genius Finally got into the right place, and now I'm just ready to take it out. What is the weird? You said a couple times a weird idea. Can you give us the General? It's I'd always wanted to make a movie like being there. So I'd sorta use that Model I. Don't know if you know Peter Sellers movie. I. Think that's dreads favorite movie by the way. I, really. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the best movies. So it's it's. Total. Buy This woman in East La and. She started telling the story of However father refers to everyone in this town of Los. Angeles, it's fools and. While it's happening, you meet my character and and he referred to me as the fool and you don't really and she didn't understand why. and. Anyway, I meet her in the get pulled into her world and. There's a incident where I I. AM working with her father and a producer thinks, Eh, just like this method actor who will come out of a trailer. Park. In Hollywood and death I, go through this sort of crazy rising fall but. but I don't speak speak iser. Silent silent character. which I think maybe part of the challenge sailing. But I'm really happy at I. Think it's it's released touching movie in And it's very funny in lots of places I. The cast. Is Amazing. You. Know I have. Were start. Ken. Jong. Common. Came back and sale John Malkovich eating. where? Adrian Brodie. Holy. Share it. Good for me. That's awesome. Fun for these guys because people as my character goes through world's people could kind of common shine and. Not have to be on set for an a shot in La. La. Yeah. That's awesome. What's it called? Just keep people can keep an eye out for whenever. It's called just fools go. Just fool's gold. Yeah. Working title was Tonka. Which means the full in. Spanish. But the. Area had changed the title, but I'm happy it's really A. Movie I was trying to make and. Challenge the hallway through I. Think next time. AGO FOR MORE OF LIKE A. Bigger budget but. By, the way I don't mean obliterated actually had a great budget, but it's a big story. There were like out locations and. Passions and Garrett goes I mean if you're going to recreate a Hollywood premiere or a major movie set, it's it's not cheap to shoot on a lot or yeah, you'd have. To really create the story the right way Serb Odyssey. It was challenging good for you man sometime off Mike I'd love to talk to you about how you balance that doing a show while making movie because I'd be fascinated by I. think that's a little too inside baseball. But next time I see I'M GONNA bend. Did the movie I stopped and I did the show and then it picked back. But still I mean just even you said window and you said it's so casually I was like that must be a big part of your reality is you have what you want, and then you need to find the time to do it while balancing your personal life and two things, it's very interesting to make. We can talk about that another time. I'd be remiss if we didn't at least touch on music because again I'm reading that Mister. Rogers thing. And they were talking about how important it was that he learned to play the piano and all that stuff. And I was like, of course, like I felt like a drippy idea. But I was like to a young person music sort of shows that the world is operating with a metronome whether or not. You know it, there's a timing to life, and then music teaches you to merge with it that you can then betray. You can play with it. You can manipulate it and you know where you could flow with it to create sound and I was like what? What a valuable thing to give children when you mentioned. By the way, my daughter's on almost two inch. You'll already sit at the piano and she knows well enough to play one key at a time, which is, makes me so excited aspects. And I take your little finger and i. have played a scale or something, and and she and I'll say, can you saying it just makes me? So thrilled she can do whatever she wants I'm just saying I loved I. I'd love her to grow up in a world where music instruments are toys. These are toys like we can. We can do this I. Think it's essential for children to be if they can introduced some kind of instrument, any kind of musical instrument. It's just a learning another language, right? I. Don't think you have to be able to read music. You know. Although I think it's great if you can. But. I just think just to be able to say, Hey, it's Katy goof around instrument. Then people get locked up right in this I, can't do that I get. Go pick up an instrument anthony. Is. Just another way to express yourself or justly meditate or hang out or bombs someone? Totally. So I think it's you know you. WanNa introduce your kid that, but the gives them what you just said to put it another way that I love the idea that it kind of gives confidence. A piano is Landau imposing and it's sort of embarrassing. What if I play? Wrong? What if it sounds bad. So it sort of teaches risk taking. I think in the same way that sports would I don't know. Know. If people are GonNa follow me there, but it's like shooting a basketball is a vulnerable thing in the same way that telling a joke is a vulnerable thing or hitting a key on a keyboard or doing a recital. But we WANNA learn to like take risks and that it's okay to fail and it's okay to be vulnerable in all this stuff. Visible thing, right? It's hard to get out the door and and put yourself out in the world. And you know I, think that's the problem. Is that people are? They feel so vulnerable that it comes out in ways that are unfriendly, but many the being you're having these conversations i. It's borderline risky these days. But like. You know and the. Same thing just. To get up there and singing venison. Someone is the most vulnerable thing you can do that. There's a reason that people respond to that so well. You know and it doesn't stop. Yeah. It's so. So we finally had a nanny, our nanny iris come over. because. We've been quarantining and everybody's taking super serious and we're like, I, think it's time I think you can come by just today, we'll try it. And to see my daughter who hasn't seen another person I, think as a father, you'll appreciate as she was just putting on a little bit of a show. She wouldn't let me put her in the stroller. She wanted to show Iris that she could pick. Danny Lyons and smell them just like the little things that she's able to do and I was like this is what show business is here are strangers. Here's the thing that I've done when I felt safe. Now I'm GonNa do it when I feel less safe to delight you I. I was like Whoa. This is really blowing my mind, but when you talked about timing and when I see your instagram fucking phenomenal, I know that sounds kind of hollow. But I really think they're special to blend really good music with comedy I, see the music in your acting I can feel someone who understands timing when to even the cadence of your voice when to be sharp. Not that you're thinking that way. But this is a funny time to sort of rest rest rest rest. Then the line. Oh Yeah. It's all music scene with making a piece of film. Or. Even a TV show like the editing when you're cutting it, you know. You obviously hope you have a great editor here she. Has. A great serve musicality to the editing, but you're also trying to match it to your musical tastes. So you're like in some fuels off, there's a timing. that. You know I think Robin Glenn Habit as well too I. Think Danny, Caitlyn I. Think it's helped. The show everyone has a little bit enough musicality the. Music I know. I. Think. That's forgive me for being leading. But I felt like we might agree on that. It is all music and even even sports is music. I was watching the Michael Jordan doggy series like all of us and was like there's music to this. This is it's all sort of like one. Thing, it's all creativity. It's all risk. It's all vulnerability. It's all conquering our fears and would you I even you could trace that down to our fear of life itself? Like you were saying, it's hard to leave the world, but music is taking all of that uncertainty and instead of freezing your dancing with it, you're you're participating with surfing his music. It's. It's the same sort of the rhythm of the waves and merging and using. When do I cut into when do I fall and all these different things. Everything is music, but I didn't I didn't I. Don't think I just wanted to mention that I. Don't think it's a mistake that you're so creative. You're so funny is such a great actor, the music. To be the. It's not a coincidence that those things are going. The same time was very nice. You say, I. Think Yemen musical upbringing was essential in that, and there is a point in my life where I wasn't sure if I wanted to pursue. Or disaster than. I enjoyed writing songs so much and. And I think I've gotten away from. Gun Away from. That outlet I think it was vulnerability I. Think it was A. Fear. Of. Failing. At Music Very, safe thing for me to write a funny song and Instagram and much less owner. Right. One. That's sort of sentimental, right? And I think it was the same but sort of pursuing music. I'm a son of two music teachers. So then it's like well. What failed music, you know. Whereas I think too I would just occasionally beat another guitar player because I started a guitar. I'm going to start a ban was a kid, but like. College Play More Guitar Piano. Not, a lot of a piano is leaning against a bonfire and. pull it out of the woods. Now, they were all stone baby grand. Teeth eight. One of the very likes dancing. But I I think. There was some fear to pursue music and still over. There is a piece me. Why wouldn't I ride it album just for people but. The block there I, do too. I did the simpsons. Voice on the simpsons for it doesn't matter and I had to sing in my real voice. Vow was with my wife Al and she. Always wants to get me to sing in my sincere voice, and I'm a guy i. think probably like you. They will do a lot of things for a laugh. But if you're just like get the guitar and Sing Amazing Grace in your most sincere like you're being good at singing voice, it's I. Think it's one of the few blocks I have, which is like I can't do it so. So, for that episode, I had to take amazing grace and I just sang it and she was like just so tickled, not laughing at me. But she was like I, heard you real voice, I heard your voice because I always want to go sad guy earlier. Same thing. Same thing. You want to put those walls up and keep yourself safe in its worst thing you can do for yourself. Is. Definitely, you can do when it comes to art you know. Trying to smash through that fear and just keep putting yourself out there. Yeah. Even, making this movie was very I was attached to it in a way that I was uncomfortable with. I need. Not. I need to separate the movie and my own sense of self were. Do I know I just told the story on another episode, but we just want release these for back to back where I pitched something, and my heart was just on the table that afterwards, I went into vow and I was like I have a vulnerability hangover. I feel so exposed. So fragile. That's what that's what I wanted to see because even your your your I'm sorry, you're saying, was it. Who was the the most confidence sunny voice you're saying? macanese. I'm sure even mcelhinney will do something like that, and there's a part of them. That's like, Oh, no, my throat is so exposed here. And someone could rip it out at and make me break my heart basically when you're when you're in the creative field, I feel like you're having all of these babies, all of these darlings, all of these love affair as and when other people get to like. Unfortunately or or just what we're doing. Leila is invested in what the nanny thinks of her flower picking and I'm invested in what the producers in the backers and the audience thing. There's a real. It's like what we were saying with you. You have the the happy go. Lucky Charlie, but you also have the hypercritical I have the like. Sell to quote Tommy Boy I'll sell a catch obstacle to a woman in white gloves. But what you don't see is after I do that pitch to the woman in white gloves even if she sells it if I sell it, I'll still be like am I am I F for? I, am I am I like nothing am I am am I an embarrassment? You're right. Yeah. Just a sprinkle. I got too bad. I'm glad I don't have that too bad I. got enough things. I don't need another one, but that's so funny. I wouldn't even say I have it as much as when you put yourself out. You just feel it. You feel it psychically. Oh. Sure. Something you care about. You, you give a baby bird in someone else's hands and you're like, please don't crush my bird. Well, the thing that's tough thing. About just our field sort of emotionally like a, you can be a professional golfer right, and if you shoot the low score for four days in a row, evil knowledge can say, Hey, I don't think you want. Like Maybe, this I don't think you're that great, but like, well, Y-. orborne. Scoreboard. Yeah. Scoreboard. You can make You know you can make. Whatever you can talk Sanderson people will be like the Master Saxon that you and I can both this. fucking. Immaculate. Yeah. I just saw the master on a list of most overrated or like not great. fucking. I would've. What are you? What are you? So you gotta just. It's almost impossible, but you have to remember gear Modell del Toro telling that once which. Doing Pacific. Rim. With him and he was saying he's like the thing is someone's GonNa. Let me someone's GonNa hate by moving has nothing I can do about it. Yeah. But it's hard to actually live that field. I think those are those guys that have a little bit of Stoicism I don't know. But. Like that idea that like you're doing it. I have this is on my posted on my computer at says commit to the work for its own sake. Because like I think there has to be something and then it's for joy I think joy is important. you know I, I, saw I'm sorry. What is it called me? It's not called fistfight. It's called. Despite all I'm sorry, it's called fistfight this. Saw It in the theater it created joy and I? Don't think that's stupid. I. Think it's like. I was talking to j Barrichello is like one of the reasons for art is to make life manageable to make it worth being alive. I. Know It's silly to say maybe, but like we want to create a world that we want to be in an art plays a really big part in that. Even if it is just creating silly joy, I think that I think that matters. I. Have to think some a genius like Eurodollars, their Del Toro has to be like I'm doing what I wanna see, and in his case, I feel like he's doing the dream he had when he was thirteen. Yeah. The nightmare but. Awesome name, but you ever have an awesome nightmare. Nightmare Yeah I've from nightmares before and I was like specifically with skyscraper-tall monsters I was like that was scary when I was in it. But when I think about it, that was the coolest dream I've ever had like, that was really really cool. I don't think I have any surrealist dreams, my dream girl her and. Trying to get the sugar even though somebody has cancer. Yeah. Well we've talked so much. Obviously, I think you can tell I really enjoyed this. Let's just do a little bit of a speed round. To closes out unless you have to go, which is totally within your lights. No I'm good. You're okay. But had the right to go but. I? Like. I'm supposed to your boss everybody like me would be like will I look like a jerk relief like you? We've been talking for two hours. Ville. Duty Love it ninety time Jenner talk okay good. Well, here comes the last part people always laugh because I tag it on at the end. But every episode we talked about the meaning of life we talk about God. Religion a framework for the universe. So I'm not asking you to nail it. I'm just wondering you Charlie, day today how do you feel about Is there to this chaos. I saw on your wikipedia pages said that you're agnostic I'm wondering how you were raised and how you sort of make sense of the miracle of life, the miracle consciousness where we're going what's happening. Raised Heavily Catholic. Catholic in new. England. And you know full believer as a kid I think as time went on and you sort of learn the history of the world against skeptical about. People but I look I've always show about religion like this. I don't know. What the ingredients? are in toothpaste. Okay. I know that there's Floride in there. But I don't actually know how toothpaste works I. Get my word. If someone hurdle me back in time I I, I can tell the peasants in the kings. Hey, we should all be brushing your teeth and they'd be great. How do we do not a clue? How to make things, right. So why me you? Me Plus you identifies as Charlie. Why, why is it on me to know the answer to all things? Yeah. In the meaning the. Let's, let's say free myself with that. I think I'd be much happier in being I. Think. I just I. I will never. No. No one will ever know. And I'd rather enjoy my life than try to figure it out some people get a lot of enjoyment trying to figure out the meaning of all things. But I don't know. I'm not even convinced. Anything is actually happening that there is a reality I. Don't I don't know. Yeah. No I I mean. I was just talking this morning with Iras about how at its core Buddhism Hinduism you strip them down far enough. They sort of have a forgive me Buddhists and Hindus if I'm not representing you correctly, but there's sort of an idea that there is nothing happening. That's what my daughter's name means. Leila means the dance of the universe meaning what you said. Don't take it too. seriously. We're just making TV show saying it's all Leila, is a way of saying this is just a dance. This is just a play of light. It's a passing show. So don't get to up your own, ass. What's funny about what you're saying is. I'm with you. We can't know. That is such an important and fundamental part of of mystery and of religion. What I think is interesting about toothpaste is what's different between the phenomenon of God or awareness. Right? itself is the toothpaste is what's making you operate like you are part of toothpaste sort of that sort of what makes it interesting to me. So while I can't figure out what's in toothpastes because? I, don't work at proctor and gamble or whatever. The thing that's looking for God is God. That's what I think is. So fucking trippy. That's what sort of gives every human being every piece of reality sort of a pass to explore with. Certainty with not certainty. With green light to look for yourself because what what is looking. So if you WANNA say reality is just a play which I'm with you and you want to say we can't. It's what is looking is what what you're looking for is what you're looking with. Saint Francis said. So you you are toothpastes. Which is what makes it fun for me and saying, I don't know what's looking out. My eyes is the perfect place to start. I wouldn't for what it's worth. Wouldn't correct that at all. You're still invited to the to the. Example. That though like Began to feel with religion. Especially when I hear other people try to tell me what the meanings of all things were. That, it was like sitting in a dark closet with a crossword puzzle that none of the questions and none of the answers connect. And outside it's the most beautiful sunny day on the beach and and everything's happening, and then if you spend your whole time in the closet without crossword puzzle, your missle of the day outside. And I just started to feel that way about religion, which is like a shirt whatever you want believe great at it's probably right is probably wrong. Hey. It's a beautiful day outside to go. Limit is I, think it's room me the poet. Who writes all of this beautiful mystic poetry about finding God about being the toothpaste, but he also has that I love where he says. Don't waste your time in the orchard wondering where the trees come from just need some apples. All I'm saying. If I'm trying to be inclusionary. Saying your stance isn't not mystical, not wonder I. would agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Your stance is gorgeous and participatory and saying. When we're this is exactly what I was talking about. With Iris, sometimes, I have an issue with some of the traditions that I love going, we're all trying to wake up and escape the cycle of birth and death, which is again, any of the reincarnation ones are like we're trying to get off the cycle. And wake up and that's enlightenment, and then I was like life is is so it's everything even when I told that joke remember and I was like, I'm feeling shame and that's what it is to be alive that sort of my perspective is I'm like even when the flight is delayed and I'm feeling horrible or the headache won't go away just like this is even when it's not a beautiful damn just like this is it. This is an experience like there's a show happening and I what I'm hearing, you say I think it's going to be a memorable talk for me at least I. Think for the people listening is like we can't get so up our own asks that it's dark. Yeah. Put it But with me I think it's acceptance as opposed to a denial. Right? So I'm not denying, oh no, there's nothing greater than ourselves or whatever you know. It's it's an acceptance of that. There's disconnected. And the expansiveness that if you just look at any sort of map of space. I mean how? Where do we begin we're? Trying to some this thing? Well. When in doubt, zoom out, we say it every time I. Bet you know this and I say it all the time. But in the seinfeld writers who made a picture of the Cosmos and I think we could all use a picture of the cosmos. Some people get cold and scared when you think about that. But when I'm having a bad day and I remember. It's the difference between thinking your visitor in the universe or you're a part of the universe, and if you think you're a part of the universe that you belong here that you're not a visitor here, you can zoom out and go like look at the fucking. Crazy infinite mystery. Mysterious. Symphony. Often. Horrible. It's often wonderful. But like look at all of it, we are as someone said on this podcast, were dogs trying to understand the internet and there's a piece there. That is non resistance that saying. I don't know. But I'm connecting right now with Pete. I'm connecting right now at Charlie and that is. The one thing clang with itself in the way that it sees sped meaning reality isn't an error. I just sometimes take issue with the idea that realities in error that we need to break away from. It feels very evangelical to me because I was like this isn't my home. We're just passing through I just. Want get on board with that in right I just reality. What's that? Reality. It's just reality if it is at all, that's right and I think you'll like, Alan, Watt says, the point of life is life is the of life is life which I think is what I hear you saying I, think. It's wonderful. Well, this is my last question for you Charlie. Thank you for for doing a episode. Very in depth conversation. I. Think we covered a lot. I'll tell you and I. Hope you get this way when I, do this and I do it two three times a week. I'm just in a better mood. The rest of the day, there's a, there's a therapy element. The connection element. And I hope you're feeling some love and appreciation and think about the you that you were at the beginning and the me that I was at the beginning like you I've watched myself melt and reform and Melton reform, and that's what the human experience is like. There's the anticipation. There's the what's it going to be? I. Don't know I interviewed people like what if they're not talkers? So there's like nerves, I. GonNa have to go to my notes, and then there's a wilting. You don't get me talking about why like one podcast? There's a, there's a shedding of lake. Oh, I. Think I'm safe like I. Think this person has my best interest in mind meeting for me with you and you and. Yes. And, then you're having a sleepover again, you know what I mean, and then you can actually feel that kind of humanity, which is why I mean. If you ever want to get me worked up, just talk to me about podcasts that like feel like they have to be an hour I'm just like. Says who? Feels like the same people that are like down shoot pilot, you sell a script, you get a producer, you know what I mean. It's like or. Whatever, the fuck you want because it's it's creative energy. Do whatever no rules and granted his music. Go Bang on the piano. Last question. Go be with your family. You already sort of answered it with the Sunny Blueberries, which by the way, some of the hardest times I've laughed the time in your life. You laughed really really hard or maybe the hardest. If you can remember it maybe you were a kid maybe somebody forwarded. Maybe you shit your pants. I. Was Pretty Lucky live I've I've laughed at hard many many many times. I'm a laugher at I'm enjoying this ride. I mean everything from teachers farting. To. Happen to teacher really farted. Oh. Yeah. Definitely. What teacher was definitely high school. But the guys talking the board gotTa squeaks out. Any just causes what he's saying for long enough to know that. Okay. He knows we heard it. We definitely heard. Everyone else seems to be nice. Of keeping their cool I'm lose. A had an. ambling. Maybe. On my own it would it be laughing, but insisting that little sign I glance at your buddy where he heard it too I need. I. Need this in my life. Thank you very much. Charlie Day I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you, Peter. It was my pleasure. Yeah. Would you say we have the the guest? Say the catchphrase, which is keep a crispy. It's just how we ended this little Richard He'd be crispy. Dated David I. Love It. Thanks, man lots of your family stayed. Thanks you too. Okay. Bye. tastiest. Crispin. So crispy.

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Dax Shepard #3

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Dax Shepard #3

"Welcome to the PODCAST number. Ten thirty five If you're going to be in Tacoma Washington December twelve thirteen fourteen. I will be performing at the Tacoma Coma Comedy Club so I'm on out for that. Tickets are online. I think there's still some available so go on and check it out also so we have a bunch of holiday stuff over it. I tend T- DOT COM so pop over there and support the podcast. You're listening to right now. which by the way? Let's get into some Cork Board business events at ten T.. Dot Com from you. The community like Blake. Who writes my friends? Kyle a visual art director and designer and Andy a licensed clinical social worker just launched a company called well more with the idea to help promote mindfulness and wellbeing through design. The first. This product is the mindful planner. A Mindfulness Base Day planner for twenty twenty designed to put wellness at the forefront of each day. The layout guys to prioritize being intentional and present as well as productive inductive and provide space to check in with yourself on how you're feeling physically emotionally etc props for each week include your weakly mantra and scheduling time for self care. They did run a successful kickstarter Carter campaign earlier this year and they've just started shipping out the first run planners and he says I'm really excited to see where Kyle take the company from here. Thought it was sort of thing and your listeners might might be interested in who couldn't use more mindfulness and general mental wellness. You can check out more foreign purchases a purchase a planner at well more dot. Co Thank you. Thank you Blake Nick. This episode is Dax Shepard who I just have to Bofors. He's promoting armchair experts. Which obviously I'm sure you know rose massive podcast and also bless this mess which is on Tuesdays at eight thirty on? ABC and ABC DOT com as you remember lake. Bell was on just a a few weeks back and so yours. Here's the thing with this podcast. It was such an incredibly fun. Chat Dax ax is so thoughtful and We and funny at the same time. I'm sure you're listening to this. PODCAST so you probably probably know a lot of this stuff. But here's where I'm just apologizing because we recorded this like a year ago all right. I know it was a year ago but sometimes what happens in podcasting is you get an episode and it doesn't have a definitive. must go up at this date. So what happens is you just just hold onto it because you just have this fear like I'm on a run out. I'm GONNA run OUTTA guest some days or I'm going to get sick travel and then I'm not going to be able to record. I'm going to need to post so you kind of bank a really good episode for a rainy day but so many rainy days have happened since then that I just feel there. There's only some a few things here and there that might suggest that that it was recorded a year ago. But you know it I listened to it. It still doesn't it's not it doesn't seem a dated to me in any way and so I just from one podcast to another whom I know understands up each year late. Boy Oh boy I didn't. I thought it was recorded in February. I thought we were only like six or seven months behind but no we was a year ago. So Dax Shepard sorry sorry but a love you and again. I thought since Kristen went up last week what a fun. Time to drop the DAX podcasts. A week glitter. They are both just wonderful wonderful people and was very excited to sit down with them both year apart. So here's the ID tip inch podcast number ten thirty five long-overdue who with decks shepherd not not a protocol overhearing trio no. Excuse Yeah Yeah See. I think it's the solvency I think so but they have a real badger in that moving. It's significantly bigger than that. One fucking clause. It is a terrifying animal right there. It is terrifying. Because it's like a big animal you can see coming shark but those rose there's something almost Kinda slithery about a wolverine because or a badger because their bodies are long and center the gravity could not be more advantageous. Yes and they have that small head but not the fangs and claws designed. They're just they're officially designed to murder. That's right and anything that could sneak up to you from below the knee line is scary. It's really scary because you you can't. Yeah as a young kid. We had a I to be honest. I don't even know that we ever got confirmation. It was a badger but we moved into this neighborhood. They'd only built maybe two houses in it so still of field rural aspect to it and a neighbor kid and I had discovered what we were certain was a badger Dan I guess a big hole in the ground and that we could only explain that it was definitely a badger. It had to be and we spent many hours at eleven years old with a BB gun legislating all ready to defend our property and so not not knowing that the BB would do zero. Damn shame nothing it would do nothing but aggravate it and probably Proto can attack unmotivated to yes to leave you alone. But now we're GONNA use my. Hey Baylor like body to tear through you like like tissue paper over especially at eleven that thing would have fucking not. You would not be here in fact when the team of forensic scientists found the corpses corpses and tried to put together what happened. They'd have to conclude that we came across a grizzly bear. Something at least to a child. Badger is a grizzly small relative to our size and you would have been obliterated. Kristen would have been single her life because she never would have found her true love. I Yeah I don't I wouldn't worry about Chris. I think she would shoot ended up fee so by the way which is a great. I think think it's a very healthy balance in a relationship to know that if things went south that the other person would be just fine in a week. Oh it's a really. How the the really pick right back up? They would like when I think I only have so much leverage sherry totally fine and it keeps me honest feeling sick the same thing with Lydia to like it would be I feel like logistically. It would be like if someone bumped into her and she like dropped a Danish on the ground like. Oh let's brush this off. Just go get another Danish. That's right for you and I it would be. We'd be like we'd be in the trauma unit that's try a my sane about her is is downward and backward upward and onward could be downward downward and backward back into the left. Although the one thing I would have going for me is that I could certainly still date a mid twenties. He's person yes that was like you know Maybe on savvy didn't it didn't quite realize what a bummer. It was going to be being married to me because they don't have enough experience like I still could get by on kind of tricking somebody you know or are false advertising hey speaking of advertising. You're wearing an armchair experts tee-shirt alive one which is a great. That is a well designed shirt. You're wearing I like the color. It's sort of a burgundy color thank you. It's got a nice we've to it. I've matched it to my shoes to you. You have matched to your shoes. It was interesting name and address like a Hobo yet. If you really take some time and study. What's there's actually fought behind which is I don't know embarrassing on mobile yes? I'm a fashion part Hobo. But yet rob a one of the two producers. He designs the unique shirts for each city. We go to alive and I love him. Feel a little weird about wearing a shirt of something that I'm involved with. You think that's weird. No I have a single out glass that I drink out of some time. But don't you think that one is even that. So now it's retro it's it's self deprecating in some way there's a there's a vintage t shirt site that I go on routes while and there was a really cool eighties satiny. MTV Jacket with the MTV logo on the back and I was so tempted. Because I felt like enough time has passed that it would be. Okay yes but I but then at the end of the day I still just couldn't bring myself myself too well and I wanted to talk to you about this as I walk through your house which is beautiful. Truly beautiful you do not. You've not gone overboard but but there is certainly a lot of memorabilia in this house and props from things Old Toys you liked. Yes how does one like like yourself. Or Seth Green Govern. How do you how do you prevent yourself from being like an episode of hoarders where it's just wall toys and Star Wars Paraphernalia use barred origin? Okay well I'm the one I was. I was kind of. I was working on a kind of building building a joke. That actually was a real thing that happened where I said to my wife because my wife is actually kind of a little worse than I am in some aspects collecting stuff like I buy a lot of little things. But she'll you know like a box will show up and it's like Oh and there was a Rick Baker auction so I got this Gremlin and I said said to her sweet. If you don't stop buying horror props there's not going to be enough room for vintage taxidermy. I sent that as a legitimate sentence. Yes and then had to stop and realize is what a perfect relationship this is that I was with someone who didn't say like keep your dumb nerd crapping another. How but actually so we kind of have to govern govern each other a little bit yes because lives will go off the good? She'll go off on tears but it's a little bit. Sounds like to copilot's both with bad eyesight. I ah well or at least that we have good eyesight but we both have peripheral on different sides. Yeah you're only seeing the left. She's seen the right together. Gather you have stereoscopic. But that's right together. Yeah we need to find each other to get that bilateral but it is fun. I mean it's you know because my my my my theory about all this stuff particularly with the last giant Disney auction That I loved that. You say that as if everyone's aware of the last excrete this or that there are even there was there was just a massive one. I was there in financial. No no no no no just this this guy. This guy named Richard Craft is a lovely guy. A privateer had privateer he. He had been collecting for about thirty years. And it was like one of the the largest probably the largest single private Disneyland Collection. Okay and he had some amazing stuff and he just sold it all because there was like like it was just time to get rid of but he had a ride car from all the rides if he had all four stretch paintings he had. Just he had like fucking tugboat from the Mar- The river. Oh River Rouge and he he just he had a ton of great stuff and use this time to sell and you know I think. He raked in seven million. Dollars is a million bucks. Auction was nuts and the reason that I like like a lot of people watched it because it was so crazy it was televised. It was the it was live streets. Okay yeah you were. Glued to was glued to it. I bought I bought a couple of things but nothing. uh-huh massive. What did you buy? I bought mark. Davis was an imagine near an he. I bought original sketches concept sketches of Disneyland end and they were assembled in like five panels and the reason that they were assembled is because they were Given to the Los Angeles Examiner winner right before Disneyland opened to sort of show like what was coming and the Los Angeles Examiner was owned by my wife's great grandfather so I thought it was like a cool piece of Disney and hearst memorabilia to bring home bought that and a couple of small things but there were there were the Disney collection the auctions. It's it's gone off the deep enough because you're bidding you're bidding against wealthy Moore's law all over the world and so there were like you know blue by are you menus from the eighties that we're going for like five grand a fucking menu so other pieces went for two hundred thousand dollars. What was the Crown Crown Jewel in the collection? I think the thing that we have like the Howard Railroad. He didn't have imagined Dumbo car had like Dumbo. Like one of the most from the Dumbo Ride Shar and I think that went for like three hundred fifty thousand. I mean it was just fucking bananas. Do you have any awareness or idea who's bidding you don't that's all anonymous. Well some. Some people like drew Carey was there bidding on some stuff in person in person. Where was it held? The show was done by vinnie galleries. which is is a place that I bought a lot of animation from and a lot of the Disney memorabilia came comes from there but there are a lot of like how many people were there? Were you in there impersonal. So you were watching it a livestream. We're watching the livestream and it. I was glued. It was fascinating. Drew Carey needed boots on the ground he needed to be drew. was there instead. He got some good stuff too and drew one we He won the auction to spend a day at Disneyland with the Guy Richard Craft and so he invited us and so we went. We got to go all and we all sort of shared weird obscure Disney Trivia via like walking by different places and. He would point out stuff that I'd never seen before it Disneyland. y'All shared stories about things and it was. It was an incredible one of my favorite. Probably my favorite trip to Disneyland ever ever because there was so much it was like a historical thing to yes and we went up to. We got to see Waltz apartment. Walt hasn't apart an apartment above your station I'd never been. We all got to go up and see it. Go inside. He would sleep there pretty often. Yeah right yeah. It's just a tiny little so there is like so you and I have several friends that are really into this stuff. I think it's fantastic But there is always just a little cynical element in my mind that is okay. You create this imaginary place and then you're living in this imaginary kind of apartment and you're looking at the window when you're watching people there there's something about it. That is a little puppeteer. Your well I mean listen. It's everything in moderation but even though it seems like we don't practice that but is there anything kinky or perverse about like. Because I heard he would often gaze out the window and watch people in join his creation which of course is beautiful and seems altruistic but is there any part of it that that seems perverse to you like controlling away. I don't know I just think basically created westworld and you're like well. Yeah exactly. They're all going to go sideways. It's like an assist. You can almost like you can engineer an experience which is a weird god-like but that's the thing though that's what you're doing when you're doing standup or writing or creating any. I'd be the first person to say that we're weirdly perverse single life site a world life sized Diorama. That people can go so you know like live part of their lives in. Yeah I mean I completely understand why that would be like that kind of immersive. Yeah Art Art experience and I guess it just a broader question If if I can people create with that level of passion and drive from a place of just altruism or is there like some damage. The Sarah Damaged Young Walt Disney. who needed that safe safe? Place like chameleons me. Maybe but it doesn't take away from anything. I really think anyone who creates anything on a big scale or wants to be a performer. Wants to do that. I mean I think there's probably traces of broken glass somewhere in their past because you know I think trauma or a bad thing like anything that gets you to grow and expand. Let's let's just say minimally if your life is a Tan your need into create an imaginary place where you feel good in life is on is just way deprioritize. But I think it's even bigger than that because if you meet anybody who performance look back on our childhoods and you know whatever sort of problems we had at school or at home or whatever for me it was like you. You know getting bullied in school for Playing D. and Shit like that if I hadn't had that experience if I hadn't had like a kind of traumatic school yeah I never would have gone inward I never would have thought to create. I never would have strived to do because if you peak in school and they're just happy and everything's fine and it's great maybe they're happy and maybe that's you know but but bathroom really condition to go like well. Maybe I can make more. Maybe I can create walk bigger. What what what would be the incentive? It'd be the desire. You're not escaping discomfort motivator generally as escaping discount and that's why I pulled some quotes aside. I wish which I normally do but I pulled some quotes aside. I tell you what I wish you were doing. What is queuing up? A Song Song you wrote about. This is open that computer. I thought well the worst thing that trauma to the best terms trauma leads leads to the parents. So so here's a here's a here's a weird worded. I what did I put it. But as you've assembled quotes in preparation for me being here or just in life. You've assembled quite a symbol to quote in preparation for you. Okay to discuss okay. Because I think here's here's what before we move on now. Are you going to take us in another direction we're branching off of where we were okay but before we are you trying to steer my podcast is your big podcast. No no no no. I've always been arrogant long But I do wonder for you. And for Seth in for a lot of folks that collect things. I had this experience where I walked into my best. Best Friends Garages. He's a successful producer and there was this. Gt Bicycle in the garage now. This man is forty eight years old. He's never gonNA ride this bicycle but but it immediately. My heart swelled like the grinches three times. I was like where where did this. Gt by come from buddy. I saw in a window. Oh and I was like. That's the bike. I wanted as a kid and I got it now. I have it and we both just stare at bicycles. If it were like the holy grail sure and then we started just kind of thinking about. It's interesting like is a kid. You want all that stuff right and if you don't get it as you get older you're finally like oh I can now. How have all that stuff in many of us get to accumulate some of that stuff or transferred into cars and then you get it and then you and then some people suffer depression afterwards because they think the acquisition of that thing is going to fix them somehow so I think he or they'll get the feeling they wanted in elementary leading? So it really is about shifting in your focus to know and what I was going to say earlier is that we're just curator's of this stuff now like it's fun to collect it all because the sum total of it creates a fun story behind behind the acquisition of it is fun. Yeah is objects. It doesn't define US and it doesn't like if I lost if we had to get rid of all of it. Yeah it'd be a bummer. We're but I don't but it's like well we live like we find and you had the and we had the hunting and so I feel like we are just curing these things for a while taking in care of them so when you think of yourself as a curator and a I'm an owner and more of like we at this particular period and the time stream are just taking care of these things that are relevant to us in some way and I will do better in your house than mine and we will pass some along to someone else at some point but it is a curious thought of how we tend to try to recreate the childhood we wanted at all times is when we've got the means to do so. Yeah but but I think like ultimately really growing up making peace with that kid. Have you ever done. Have you ever done. MDR It's a form of therapy that is like the people with PTSD. People emerged as immersion therapy. I don't think it's called emergent. I mean I don't think it's the same as merchant there but I might be wrong but basically you know anything that you're working on like Oh all I wanNA feel insecure when I meet New People and then the therapist like it seems silly but you put these things in your hands at vibrate great at different intervals. Okay and I guess the theory behind it is that you're sort of rebuilding neuropathy neural pathways. So they'll say it's not vaguely vaguely related to how you get audited and say well this didn't cost fifty thousand dollars so and so they'll say like what's the earliest memory. You have a feeling this way. And then so you dredge up you know I had this experience where it was like about perfectionism. uh-huh whoa what's earliest memory where you felt like frustrated. Something wasn't perfect and I. I started telling the story like Oh when I was a kid you know. My Dad was pressure. A Bowler and bowled as a kid and and then I stopped and I burst out laughing therapist that Oh what's so funny and I said what we're talking about perfectionism is that what do you call it. When you get three hundred and bowling she goes? Oh it's a perfect game and I was like yes so this game that. I was conditioned from earliest childhood or actually was okay perfect. There was like unlike most sports or anything. There is a perfect goal. And if you fuck up anywhere in the game it's ruined yes and how frustrating it is and so if you're in pursuit of pursuit of buzz and to meet some other divorced say well that's the thing it's like you're why are you doing it. You know like how do you define success and so yes so. That's it's sort of like the goal isn't really the goal of processes as you know. There's a nicotine lozenges. Very trusted brand thrived from Canada. The Americans give me gas. Oh that's good to know But these no farts none at all now. I addressed tour in Toronto and I've never looked back. That was probably three years ago. And you so you don't smoke no I haven't for thirteen and a half years but you have you been doing nicotine gum or if Lara Lebanon of those years I did. I did go off them for two whole years and then I found literally four old nightstand. I told Chris and I presented as if I had found like a bag of cocaine in the house and I was like okay so I found four lozenges and I'm going to do to today and I'm GonNa do one tomorrow and one the next and then ten thousand over accent. Yeah okay because as can happen if you're not an addict it's hard to comprehend how that's not possible because it's not like I had a great game plan and I did. Yeah and then. After that last one on the fourth day I was like go up to rite aid and get one hundred sixty eight of them. Exactly what I did not unhealthy at all to is it. It is not an. I'll tell you there is some compelling evidence that there are some benefits of nicotine now what is unhealthy about nicotine is it does raise your overall your heart rate and your blood pressure so if you're someone that is prone to hypertension it's not good for you. I have low moderate blood pressure so that sign issue. The upside is it. There's a few studies that show. It prolongs the onset of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Oh interesting you know so you know. I look at it as kind of win win. Vitamin it is a daily daily vitamin take. Well well it'd be bought a vitamin your back. Twelve Times daily. A fuck every forty five. Are you sure. Yeah that's you know that's crazy going to commit to take twelve times the day administer liberally until buzz wears off until agitation resented Publico back. So here's here's A. Here's a quote from Seneca. Here's a quote from Seneca. Seneca Seneca was a philosopher and in the in the realm of Frat in the realm of stoicism awesome and he said I judge unfortunate. Because you've never lived through misfortune you've pass through life without an opponent. no-one can ever know what you're capable of. Not even you Um I think is a nice quote because basically it's that idea of like you have to fuck up and you have to go through things in order to grow and evolve even be better and if you don't then I think you pecan heist which is again. That's fine if you don't you know if you don't have the nipping pterodactyls of neurosis your culture. We have to say everything's fine. Look if if you peaked out in high school and now you're an alcoholic can and you're nearing desert forty eight. I'm health and you left your wife that that's fine that's fine we're no judgment because it'll be like hey I'm forty eight and I peaked early. I I had serious substance abuse problems and then my wife left me and and how dare you yes. We're no longer allowed to be any. Uh any turn objective about what could not be a more a life with less suffering and more flourishing. Well now and. I'm sure now that you're learning more. Let's talk about this because no one's talking about the quote I hijacked you. Let's talk about this quote okay. Okay so when I want to say about that quote it is yes. A lot of people are impressed with people like you and I who came from modest means in accomplish something that is societally really seen as you know impressive you mean marrying outside what we should have been capable of. We'll certainly ass outside of our cast What I find to be three times as impressive as that is the rare occasion when I meet a legitimate trust fund child who has accomplished a ton of stuff in his super motivated and driven? Yeah like when I look at Julia Louise Louise Wright louis-dreyfuss Julia Louis Dreyfuss Haifa's she is heir to the DREYFUSS. Fortune which is in excess of a billion dollars. So when I watch her and Seinfeld I go while not only is she. I think the funniest female now actress ever so blown away with her town but then I go on top of that. She didn't have to do anything impressive. That idea of when someone has money they don't have to do anything is bunk because people. You'd go crazy if you didn't do anything like we are. We are born to do things. Yes because we we had when people don't then they become rudderless they become depressed. They become because we have to contribute like this idea. It's like why does this guy keep work and he's got money or what does that mean it's like you're not working for money notes to self assessment which start dying and she you know. Oh but that's that's how much money it's almost like no money but but but I just think it's. It's a lot easier for you and I who if not now at least at one time wanted to all the tangible shit like I wanNa House. I want a car I like. I want health insurance. Whatever the thing is like I had a very hot furnace inside I that propelled me because I wanted shit and I just wonder if I had all that stuff just how driven I would have been? I certainly was in pursuit. Now it's evolved evolved in change and I now realize those things I wanted didn't really fill the hall or give me the contentment I was looking for but for many years I was convinced. A speedboat would cure all my als- well yeah. And you know Lydia's family like when she was growing up they you know it was like you're not going to turn into an asshole you're gonNA work. You'RE GONNA in a word. And so like she worked her ass off and created all this stuff and yeah were you know. And it wasn't the the Begin. You have to be crazy. Mindful if you're starting with tons of privilege and advantage to get that outcome right you can be a terrible parent and have a kid that just driven in Hungary and wants all all the shit that they don't have and they'll do fine. It takes an extra thing an extra dose to turn a kid who's rich well but any any you know all humans are just a weird chemistry experiment and some of them. Go right you know with seemingly incorrect ingredients. They go right and something someone who who seems to have all the correct ingredients can go can explode so it just were just all weird chemistry experiments and it's like there's so many things that go into your personal and that's why we can't discover a single thing about what makes us healthy. It's almost impossible to figure out what makes humans healthy because we're the worst. Things were the worst subjects in a science experiment. Because there's so many things we're doing there's so many things were eating. There's so there's so much we want an answer of just like Oh if we just take this thing are beans good for you. You know but yes. They are the new year later. Turns out beans or not unless you're going to sequester like a thousand human beings and make them only eat beans. You just can't find out the answer that question right or just even the notion that we up until very recently they did not do clinical trials with females. I had had no idea that it was a sixty minutes segment which was fascinating what they started. Thank you added. Women were having Miss. inordinately strong reaction to Ambien which was curious they were at a much higher rate. blacking out going door. You're buying candy. All these weird things that are associated with too much ambient right and what they figured out. Is that women for whatever reason chemically react twice voices strong as men do so. They're they're dosage has to be half of clinical because they don't do clinical trials with women because the longstanding explanation in is that women have a period once a month which makes them bad test subjects that this industry is the medical. The medical research field yelled historically. Doesn't use women because I have a period that's crazy. Yeah and that's now being changed. But there's all this medication is it appeared in thirty five years. Yeah it works works yeah presumably. They've been doing female. Only only products with females horrible. Is that for these these poor women who will their defense and again. I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying they were correct but what they would say is okay. Well if you're monitoring things like mood and what's the reaction so there's GonNa be a few days of the month where their mood is going to be altered by their menstrual cycle. So that that you're the data there is kind of blown. They're also bleeding for a few days in the month. which kind of throws everything out of whack the? I don't think that the founding argument was preposterous. I just think we now realize that we can't have it that way. I mean still. It just sounds like a thing created he will get why when the Patriarchy Turkey wanted to study women that way rather have a group of a thousand women. I'm studying a bunch of do I don't know it. Their own selfish motive would be to be surrounded by women so then what happens at that point so sorry for all the weird blackouts. Virtually that's happened. Yes I mean I can only assume there's gotta be some class action because I know different I have females in my life. Who are like I woke up and I know memory I went to seven eleven eleven I have like twelve twizzlers? Empty me is that to me is more horrifying than being stalked by a wolverine is waking up with time with you can't ah acuity but with clues exactly where did this fun dip come from. And why do I have half opened beef jerky this punched ticket from a county fair. Why are these slim jims in the microwave? What happens yeah? That's very scary. I'm not I'm not a fan of that. Which is why you you know? I don't really I don't take anything I mean. I imagine you probably don't either. Did I had a very very strict rule rule about. I didn't want any Ambien Xanax. I would never want to us a prescription for but this year I I started doing a Sitcom where I have a live audience show on Friday night and I already have a horrendous asleep so for me to get to bed on time I gotta start my little routine at like nine o'clock at nine right. leasings have to fall perfectly in order for me to fall asleep so now I'm doing a live. Show that I get out of at ten o'clock at night night and I probably drank caffeine to be awake for the live. Show in the show itself gives me tons of energy and I come home like best case scenario winding down six hours. which is that's a deal breaker? I have two kids at wake up very early Saturday morning. I can't have that so as a supervisor experiment I tried Ambien I and my wife is in charge of the NBA and make sure only get one ambient and it did put me to sleep in a in a good short period the time but then my problem with I wake up four hours later and I'm wide awake right now. What am I gonNA take a second one midnight rice in general no? I don't take anything but I want to be honest. I have on show nights this last year and then also a couple of times. Where like I get out of the show? I have a live show in Brooklyn the next day A and I know I have to sleep on that airplane for five hours. I have my wife send me to the airport with one. You know the other the other solution is to to maybe. Just take it easy every once in a while one of let me ask you this though. Yeah right I quit this. TV show that you aren't going to do. I'm going to do that. No yeah so like any other lazy American. I'M GONNA look for a pharmaceutical of course lifestyle. You'RE GONNA look for pharmaceutical. His Mash that square peg egg into the round hole of your life. That's right and on the fifteen shows last year that I employ that method Kinda work. So let's find. Let's talk a little. What about you know cause your podcast completely exploded in the best way really hard for me to a a comprehensive remember? We were talking about it. I remember doing it in a half built garage. Still there okay. Good Yeah Yeah it'll always be there and and You gave me granted by used and it and it's it's you know I am jealous. I mean I get I get how you got him. But I'm jealous of Ted Danson. Ted Danson Anson is a dude that I've always had on my list of like fucking. I've been watching every night because I wake up in the middle of the night to and I watched an episode or two of cheers. Because you don't have kids. I don't care if I didn't have kids I'd ride out all this shift but is not an option you cannot deal with three and five year old on four hundred until they appreciate. V8 that you have needs. It seems very selfish to me. Twenty years away from recognizing if that ever happened I explain to them all the time like mine. The three are literally kicked me straight in the fucking knows intentionally and I'll go honey daddy's a human like like there's a limit so much pain I can endure her. So how do you I mean obviously you have to kick them back. Daddy can kick hard to it Tom. Robbie's Code Code. Iron is whatever day and now it's never happened again. It's never happened again. But how do you. How do you discipline a child when they're when they're not just testing boundaries but like smashing windows to try to understand like what's okay and what's not okay? We'll look I don't and have it figured out because I'm I'm I'm in the process of it and there are techniques which was W- compounds. The frustration of raising children is that I have two of them in they. They require two entirely different approaches. It's like when you've been on a set and there's a director in the poor director has got to figure out how to talk to Lauren. Graham and me and we both like completely opposite ways of being talked right and so you quickly find out when you have a second kid that it's the she's like a completely different person. That three year olds much like me any rule you give of her. That's almost the that becomes the North Star of what to do You know she just loves to break rules. And that's how she is so it's like yeah learning how to outmaneuver. Her is a pretty full time job. And what's interesting is I had rob mcilhenny on Avraam. Yeah so rob. And he was discussing Taking his oldest the sun to a kind of behavioral therapy. Sorry no if they took him but he they he and the wife went in the in the therapists said listen. You don't need to tell your son not to hit his brother. He knows that he knows that you don't need to tell him that. Would he needs you to be on his side in that moment. Say God you must be so frustrated if you WANNA hit your brother. Because he knows he's not allowed to tell me how that feels like just always be on his side he knows the rules. And just let you hear the really compelling reason for Wii doing it then to the parents have to go. He's got us on a loophole. By the way that would best idea wins in my house. We get all the time our own petard. Because if they make a good enough argument I WANNA reward that like they live in the they live in an environment where the truth is the truth. Which is hard as a parent because if they say there's no TV because a blank thank and they point out that that's inconsistent with the rule? I established a month ago. I'll say you're right and I'm GONNA stick with that rule so they do win our calls with our in our our. It used to be a judge I. It stands sustain sustain. Yes Go ooh and weirdly mcilhenny background. Is he went to Jesuit school to you too in the more. I've now had more and more guests that have had that upbringing bringing and I'm very against parochial and we call it religious school in general. Theoretically I don't I a secular is so but everyone everyone I've had on that. had a jesuit education seems to be better because of it. Some people in isn't there. The best idea wins. I do know people well. Yeah I mean but I also know people that had very bad experience. I haven't had a great experience but is my understanding. Correct that if you make a compelling argument you're a encouraged question rules rules. I I felt that way. I know people who had had again. who had different Jesuit experiences? But I went to Jesuit schools because we moved army through high school we moved from from Florida to Colorado Denver to La. Oh I got one of them got you got you and I interviewed you like a year ago February but but but what I remember about the Jesuit education that they very much spoke to people and not like that we were all equal well and not down at us. Yeah and also You know we're just. We're just sort of very open seem to understand our vernacular and and and yes I mean there were certainly boundaries that you couldn't break and that was the tricky part you gotTa Day in court right you did but that was the tricky part was that when they spend a lot of time so you know making you feel like you're on the same level Then when you like violently break a rule because you think you you're you're in yeah and then you realized like Whoa and then sometimes the boundaries just come like crashing down and then you then you learn dissonance that yeah but it wasn't like it wasn't it wasn't corporal. I mean it was like we just had to you know detention but would you argue. Would you argue though that it was minimally just like that when you broke that one. That reminded you of your place in the system was at least the rule just because I think that's where it all lies. I think it was I. I mean I never It it was the trick is when your when you allow your students to talk very freely. it's easy to get get mouthy Shar because you sort of feel like oh you know the priests swear and I you know like mouthy so I can be. There still is a little bit of separation. Yeah and then you're just sort of learned to to navigate it but I really like I I liked. I liked it. I liked studying dead language. Latin and You you know and I I liked that it was. I don't know I mean I enjoyed it I I really did. I'm yeah when I have a kid I mean I I don't know if I would force them to go to Jesuit school. I would probably you know. Take him around and see what they liked. But also well again if you have if and when you have kids and you have more than one. What's so fascinating is is? There isn't a decision that works for the family. It's like I can tell you right now. That my oldest daughter should in no way be being taught the way my younger daughter is going to have to be taught. It's so clear. There's no way that whatever system would work for the older one would also work on the young. Because they're opposites like the. The eldest loves rules can't wait to do it. Exactly as prescribed and looks forward to the positive results of that the three year olds just an anarchist. She you know so. There's no way well I get in and it starts becoming obvious like why the the education problem in the country is such a hard problem to overcome. 'cause they're you're not gonNA walk into school and like lay down the system that works. You know we're we're all so so unique difference. We are also think there's a there is that sort of middle ground because if you catered too much every individual which of course we are all being conditioned through you know through algorithms on the and everything is personally catered to our every whim. Yeah then it doesn't really teach us how to fit into a community because we expect every community go with us. That's not a very realistic expectation. I agree with you and I have the same thought which is no quite often in life. You just you have to get with the fucking program and my kids got understand that but I had recently this Harvard professor. Who wrote a book called Either either the failure of normal or something like this in basically after studying many different things one of them being cockpits of. F16's ext teens that they had been created for the mean height of an American right male and that when often when you create systems and products that are supposed to service the mean you end up just to typically excluding the majority. Sure so. You're you're almost almost better off creating the plane for either tall people or short people because weirdly just numbers wise more people fall outside of the mean than they do within the means. So there's all these counterintuitive things in his point because I said that about the classroom. I'm like what the fuck program and he said. Sure I understand that but when you look at that a second grade classes designed for the kids to read at a second grade level and you actually go in and look at the numbers. What you're finding is that almost half the kids are reading above that level and Hafer reading below so it's failing everyone because the kids that are above it don't WanNa read at that level kids that are below? It can't read at that level. He's he's like so all you're doing by get with the program you're just leaving tons of people behind. That's just the reality. Depends on a program is if the program is defined as the mean than yes but but what his his argument. Why isn't there variable? Instruction we have the technology kids could learn on an IPAD. IPAD can assess quite quickly. What a kid's reading aptitude aptitude is and that's probably up to the teachers? Because I think it's also it's probably just enough for a teacher to manage students that they have have much less having create individualized. They can clear but we have technology to create a system that can it already exists. There's already a name for the program being implemented and Guy Net and I totally agree with you. I can barely handle being in the house all day long just to I when I drop them off at kindergarten. I can't believe that humans willing to sit in that classroom with twenty five. That's not really admirable. Ba Let's talk a little bit about your for podcasts. Because I wanNA hear what you've learned in this last almost year you know again your show grew meteorically. You have fantastic past guests and the depth of the conversation is great and so it having seen having talked to you before and then during and then you know. Now we're here. What have you learned? How have you evolved? And what are you taking away from the experience. Well let me start by saying I am very used to working really hard for two years on a movie and then it failing that's my experience. My association with hard work is basically three underwhelming underwhelming movies. So it's very foreign for me to put in much less time in that. Have my very I kind of hugely successful thing. I've never really been in movies. That were hugely successful. I've never so. This is the most unique feeling I've ever had I. I mean it blows my mind that so maybe listen to it but hourly I have gratitude for Lucky for me. You were one of my first ten guests I think and unlike unlike me I had the humility to ask you advice and you gave me a couple of great pieces of advice that I have implemented lamented not fully but in the way that safer me so one thing you said to me was don't research your suggestion was don't research i. I can't ah there because I always just think you know. If for some reason the magic doesn't happen I have to get them to some milestones that hopefully will trigger some so. I have have some awareness but but certainly I cut it by about eighty percent in your theory behind. Why which I thought was I had already seen was happening? was you research them. You find out this amazing story. They were attacked in a grocery store. You then try to lead the conversation to the story that hopefully they'll tell about getting attacked in the grocery grocery store. You are no longer interested in the story because you're just trying to get them their tag along. Yes and so your your argument was you're you're just far less interested. If you already know it's going to be said versus being surprised like you have to open yourself up to being surprised in the let the thing flow so that just takes confidence from having done it so I do think I think we've done seventy episodes now and I think I've made just slow progress towards I have almost zero anxiety when I sit down. I'm now in a spot where I'm like. Oh something will happen and you can roll with it in in that has helped me me talk less also when you did the show. We didn't add it so when you're on the show any time there was twelve seconds of silence. I'm panicking thinking you can't just have silent or not but it's different. You're not on stage if you tall seconds to silence on stage. Your Dad didn't like it. I'm an Improv scene. You know yes or a sketch not here. Twelve the second silence in any kind of performance arts in common. So you know once I incorporated that we add it. Then for me the pressure of having having wall-to-wall stuff went down. And then I could get a less less controlling about the whole conversation. And that's helped a ton but then we've we've started started doing live shows. which is its own fun? Moving them requires another level of like odds. Go Fine. Here's somebody who's maybe never ever been in front of two thousand people but I'm just going to believe that they're not gonNA shut down in this situation because I'm GonNa look into that you're there to do. Is You know especially with the live show. So you're sort of half with the guest and half with the you're playing you know you're playing the audience a little bit hundred percent and it just creates a lot more energy. I think our first live show was Adam. Savage may be okay at Largo in like two thousand ten and it was really early on I was like why couldn't we just go do you this at yeah and we had a music. I think we had a musical performance and it was it. It created such a fun dynamic realize like Oh podcast can be anything it like. It doesn't matter what it is as long as it's interesting to you. Well except for the listener breakthroughs going to see Sam Harris in Steven pinker ten Pinkerton Steven Steven Pinker at Kodak Theater. Right here in Hollywood and yeah yeah I went and saw Sam Harris at Kodak Theater completely sold out. I think that's thirty. Five hundred people watching to scientists talk in a monotone voice about stats MHM and I was riveted as word the thirty five hundred people and I thought well Jesus if this is a this podcast can be live than I think ours can be. I I mean I have a and you also get to think like I do have some live stage performance experience in life. But that's great is that you're pulling every facet of of your personality like your podcast is everything that you've learned up to that point in any discipline. Yeah all pulled together gather and the more specific it is more unique it is and ultimately the more interesting it is. I think so every facet of you. You're so right it's like I got on that stage. I I think I show is at Largo as well and I thought Oh my God that hasn't been since the groundlings I had this. I remember this push and pull with audience and how fun it is to be. He dialed in with them. Yeah you know Speaking it up bringing it down all those things is so fun and to your point the idea idea that the podcast somehow facilitated me being on stage in front of a ton of people like the happiest Miracle Wall. Because I ten years ago I was was like one. I'm not gonNA join an Improv grew and I'm not gonNA join a sketch comedy group. I'm going to start doing standup and I did that. For a couple of years and it was fun but it wasn't kind of what I wanted to be in this weirdly is that and and it's like any you know like any great job or any great relationship or any great anything which is in your mind you think like oh I have to do something and then it but but then when it works. It's so effortless that you almost don't feel seriously if you feel you feel guilty guilty but you almost don't take it seriously because this isn't anything this is just me fucking around. It's like yeah but it's effortless as when you're in a good relationship it's effortless when you're in a good any situation and if you're not doing you're just so dialed into it that you're just being like urine flow. I would call ubiquitous among long successful comedians. which is there? Is this weird since I think it's why you see so many successful comedians. Go into drama. Because there's something something about it being as easy as it is that feels fraudulent or like. You don't deserve that acclaim or the amount of money. You're making all these things like I for me. I on the outside diagnosed Jim Carey with this which is like the level of support in fandom that comes from him doing what he's done in a mere his whole life probably felt like he wasn't working hard enough for somebody didn't deserve that amount of money. Are Those amount of fans. Maybe that's some of it but I also think that the the transition of comedy drama is that comedy I think is a deeper level of drama because is inside every joke pretty much something. Tragic Jar comedies defense mechanism so forced to be more hyper aware of your drama. Your trauma. Whatever it is and so you know I I I wouldn't I wouldn't define comedy and dramas two separate things I think? Comedy's a deeper level of drama. But in the simplest terms they hand out an award ah the Oscars for the best hexter never once gone to a comedian for I mean if anyone to win an Oscar. Whatever your ace Ventura came out? It should be him. It's something no human being can do. Literally no you can't recast ace. No an Ace Ventura so certainly within the community. It's not banging seen as something that warrants an award right or that you didn't go through this heartbreaking. Pay Those to become Abe Lincoln. Like fuck doc in our boy. Did Louis Abra Dan. I think a lot is accessible means. Walk around with a little bit of like my fraud or is this. I don't know I feel like there's some level of guilt. I think a lot of reward for something. That's very easy for you. I think most people people who get a lot of reward have a bit of the impostor syndrome regardless of what it is because it's very difficult to imagine Lewis. Does I think Dan I think Danny has. It's a little bit. I duNNo. I Dunno if Dan has I don't think he does. I think maybe he does not. Yeah if I had to bat. Let's say unless he were playing playing a character with it and then he would fully immerse and then he would have it but he is a person I think he probably doesn't have it but I think most people because it's very difficult to imagine ourselves in you know in that type of scenario we we all have a comfort zone and whether you fall below that zone or you excel exceed need that zone you know people have an idea of what they think they deserve and it probably goes back to childhood and they probably would benefit from doing some type of MDR to forgive. Give their child to tell their their tiny self like your enough. Because that's basically what I think we're looking for a lot of is just enough and my enough and if you could go back back in time to tell tiny you like your enough like that would solve so many problems but then maybe we wouldn't have great art so maybe we need to not be enough enough to generate art to let other people know that they can be enough. Well the kind of great paradox of it all as I am someone who at at the same time has this enormous sense of entitlement. I think I could do any of this stuff. Like what a sense of entitlement I have and and yet I have a self loathing side. That doesn't think I deserve any of the things I guess. I think I deserve everything. It's curse. Yeah I think I don't deserve any even so can all be happening at the same time. Well or and then of course what I think I just think you know might be dead and you know if I'm lucky I'll live have another thirty years. Maybe thirty five years hungry and so I'm starting to get to this point where it's not like I don't give a shit but I guess I sort of feel like it's not going to matter like you know there's a sort of an again. I think that's why I've been so interested in stoicism lately. It's just like it's just sort of like dust in the wind. Philosophy link. Yeah you know what just just enjoy your time. Enjoy the process of it. Things I'm stressing about there are going to fucking matter. It doesn't matter how many Disney collectibles I collect like. That's not the point. I'm going to die. I I will be dead someday and completely insignificant and yet forgotten you know and there's a weird comfort in that I don't mind that at all we're just doing this machine and that's fine and so that that's very helpful. I saying that I hope by created that I say to myself as a mantras dislike or just all monkeys trying mistake busy till we die. That's really important. All we're just if you were in a spacious watching us you'd be like Oh my God cute little cars they drive. Thinks he's all thanks these people. They're all racing at some place when they get there. They're doing what they think. Is the most important thing like it would be adorable to viewing from above you. Put a wolverine in his house just to look at it not to eat it smack to defend himself from it. Just look at it on. That guy talks in into a stick all day. And that's how he seems to have gotten all this like I think the whole thing is still collected a bunch of stuff from one amusement park and put them all together in one space beautiful. What a fucking moron? Yeah so cute. I try to keep that in perspective or I had I had Jay Leno on the other day. And he was saying that he was was in Vegas and he saw three guys carrying an Elvis statue and he said that up and they said No. We're it just took it down. He's like why did you take it down. And they said on. No one knows who elvis is like. No twenty year olds really know who Elvis is. They took down an elvis gun. JAYS will Jesus crisis. Don't zero you fucking zero chance. If you're I've been elvis dance you can't stay up in fighting. What are investors out happens? You know my mom's dog will he. He he vacillates between taking all of his toys out of the bed and arranging them in certain ways and then putting them back in the bed and this this is like and we look at them and go. What an adorable Weirdo? What a dope? And that's basically I mean you proceed through your day doing exactly it's fine. We're all just roll. I just you know like playfully killing time which is fine to me. The like that sounds abstract. I think if I were to just have heard you say that when I was thirty thirty six but I think for me what. It's really where the rubber meets the road is. It's really uncoupling my ego and identity from all these things because that's the thing that as a human you'll try to preserve at all costs you'll go to war over that your identity yield you know and so the less. I think of myself as having having a career verses I have a job just that little distinction for me a career as a very lofty thing in in your going to evaluate its its totality and that's going to inform your narrative self the jobs of fucking place you show up and do something fun. This is a fun distraction that I get to do one hundred percent because the ego the ego decisions ego decisions are the highest highest and the lowest lows when you make things when you make decisions solely based on Ego. They're usually the first things that get knocked doc down and the things that topple the hardest and they're the hardest to recover from until you just say like you're also giving a lot of power or something you ultimately have zero marginal level of control over. I'd say either total control over how good of a husband you are. How good of you're what you're talking about is does that sound like that? You keep stumbling upon things that I find out already things like I'm listening to this. PODCAST is leaving. Maxium heard that out. Oh it's so tasty of you heard of it it's We'll nexium was this kind of self improvement thing Kinda like asked or are you know landmark forum and one of it's not a it's not like a like a a gird drug at gasset reflux drug. No no no no no there is one called next okay this this this was different. Yes this is a self improvement program. Read by this Guy Keith. Veneer your something. What you'll remember about it? Is that the lead girl on smallville became very high up in. Oh this is that thing where the guy just within nexium there was a sex cult called DOS in. She has been arrested in being tried for sex trafficking as is Keith. And at any rate the PODCAST. I didn't ask that that was yes I've heard of that end. This per his main subject was in for thirteen years in laugh. So it's great. She's she's a great source of everything. That really happened there. But all that to say when they're going through with the process of Nexium is I'm realizing Oh this is my total philosophy. Lots of not weaponized but yours isn't weaponized mine isn't weaponized norm. The leader of the my phone right but but but I was shocked to go like. Oh that's so weird. That's almost exactly what I believe and I didn't read it anywhere in a book but they I guess they just came to the same but there are some there are some things that are are timelessly true about humanity and you can package them however you want an ad. Whatever sort of ornamentation or cup holders with religion or whatever it is but when you strip it down I do think the basics of it are you know? Don't be a Dick. You can't control what happens in the world but you can control how you react to the world and those are the those those are the foundational elements I think of of most of most things. Yeah but but it's just that we do like to sort of complicate things and attach higher levels of identity to them and so it just all presentation and story. It's like what story. What story booked path? Do you need to get to that same a little town. Yes and that's that's really what it is. One of their most fundamental beliefs is that people can't make you mm feel any way right which one hundred percent agree I battle with Monica quite often my co host about that. Even if she'll phrase like he made me feel blank or that made me and like that's just not how it is like that happen and then you felt a certain way because of your baggage. Well some people we'll feel like their reactions are beyond their control. They react something just as but you still. You set up the conditions to have that reaction you allow. You could have the the choices. So fast was a micro. Follow a very specific plan to never have that reaction again. It's actually within you to do. So because what you find your really reacting to it most times is your insecurities so I could stand in front of two hundred people that were shouting at me all the time your puny. You're a miniature sure little. You're you're too short. Hey Shorty it could go on and on indefinitely but ten I don't okay I thought you I'm six three zero fear of being short so it doesn't really matter how many times you try to insult me for being ill have no impact on me but solely because not because I'm objectively tall. That's not actually it is because I have no fear of being short right. There are other things that you could most suggest about me freak the fuck out because I have a big fear of it. Yeah yeah and it's also like where people are willing to take responsibility for. Whatever it's like you know when people try to do the Y you know? I was drunk so I don't know yet but who made the decision decision like you have to understand when you set up the conditions Yay or something then you you laid the you set up the dominoes house for that to fall down like if you're you know if you get a short with people or you know it's like well. Yeah okay. Maybe you were tired but why were you tired. Was it because you you know stayed up late playing video games and you did this. You made this choice. Even this tracy made this choice. And so it's like you make these micro choices along the way that you don't even realize you're making because you just you're set on autopilot and you're sort your led around by whatever is pleasurable to you when the moment and that's that's where the power lies and you should also just start by acknowledging to yourself that there are two variables in every equation. Quesion your one of them and there's someone else or there's ten other people and you must. I acknowledge your the only variable in any equation. You have any say over so you just have to admit there's only one piece of the equation that you'll ever have the power to change which is yourself so just knowing that might have another quote for you. Fuck I just saved you up for another quote. Nothing new never heard on my two previous. No it's not a thing that's going to be a thing it's just did we need to give. I know I know how philosophical you. Let's see okay here we go. This is epic Titas epic Titas okay. A pillar of store philosophy the chief task and life is simply this to identify separate matters so that I can say clearly to myself self which are externals not under my control in which have to do with the choices I actually control. Where then do I look for good and evil not to uncontrollable externals but within myself to the choices uses that are my own that is not on what we were just talking about knocking it out of the park because I truly do believe that the solution all all things is if you could somehow by some miracle get yourself esteem at one hundred percent where you liked everything about yourself? Anything you heard to the contrary would just have no impact but let me ask you this so just to play. Devil's advocate a little bit. Do you think is one hundred percent acceptance of yourself yourself. Healthy is one hundred percent acceptance of yourself healthy because meaning like oh I decided I liked it. I fart on trains. Well is that where you're going. Yeah exactly be a swab inle all well but just on trains. I don't know it's weird. Part on elevator station. None other you've put me on a forklift fine. which is a form of transportation? I guess but In a pinch. But I just mean that just the idea that You can't control. I don't know what what did you say right before. That view and one hundred percent self esteem. Would you ever. Would you ever think that you needed to grow like. Isn't it kind of good to be at about eighty percent with a twenty percent like like constantly something to Sorta work on or is that just just an addict mentality. I think it's an attic mentality and also assumes that our nature is to be terrible or to not grow or to not desire change just because you have one hundred percent self-esteem does not mean you're not still on fire well for new thoughts. It doesn't mean you've you think your your line of thinking is is. You've now figured it out. And that's so rap on that for now now. Marcus Aurelius once said. I'm just I'm just like just even this conversation. Never sees he says it never ceases to amaze me we all love ourselves more than other people but care more about their opinion than our own one hundred percent and I'll also a flip that too and this is something I just said in a meeting in reverse it. The opposite of that is I have to police myself on this. All the time is I often remind myself. Oh my God you would never talk to a stranger. The way you're talking to yourself absolutely but seem so simple but if you really pay attention into the shit you say to yourself in how fucking cruel we can beat ourselves and just imagine that you're telling you you are having that same reaction to some guy who's just been vulnerable owner herbal and humble about a failing shortcoming you would never go you fucking piece of Shit. I knew this was coming your way skin now. You're a human. It's hard hard to do things right and I think people forget that they choose like self talk is a learned like I think sometimes the voice. That's like the the voice that sort of self talk doc in people's heads they just think is programmed. That's like well. It's it's the proof pre-programme prepackaged software can't do anything about it. It's just got a lot of bad pop up ads. You know like windows two thousand one yet. You like that voice in your head is someone else's that you have no control over. Obviously you're creating the thought. Yes you are so you to to to realize that you actually can can redirect the self talk. I mean it's not you know it. Sometimes it's easier than other times because we're emotional creatures then we are hurt and you know like we We are my arguments at times. It's hard is when your self esteem is in the toilet and you feel great. It's not hard to silence that critic critic but it's I notice you're in pretty good shape so I imagine you exercise idea so you know I think Mohammed Ali had a quote. Oh My god God. This is amazing. But I'm going to butcher this float like a butterfly and ending like view so it was. It had something it was something something in the neighborhood of like you know he does sit ups to the point where they start hurting and then he starts counting because you know that the the muscle is being built. When when you're when you're starting to feel it when you at times of discomfort that's when the muscles being built it's easy to go in and work out when you feel great and have you been eating great and everything's fantastic? This is easy but the ones that count are when you feel shitty you know you don't WanNa be there force yourself to go. Anyway you push through Louisville. That's where the growth happens. That's seeking not going out of your way to seek comfort but just knowing that when you are uncomfortable when you feel bad when things happen. Those are the opportunities for for when the most when the most muscle happens happens. You just reminded me of And I'm GonNa namedrop namedrop right now. I'm not friends with him. I just happen to be somewhere. I got to talk to him for a while but Matthew mcconaughey I just said to him menu have some constitution. Russian don't you. I'm like it appears to me that you party successfully in yet you wake up in the morning you like run twelve miles. And he goes Oh yeah some of my best workouts breakthrough feeling like shit that first forty minutes that just break through those best works you tell the story just to drop the impregnation mission because it was pretty. It was spun on where you were just saying that. It's easy to go and you feel great. Yeah but it's hard and I thought so he created this guy. What a fucking constitution? He actually gets high off that like the worst feels and then he breaks through and that's his thing. What were you like so I do a podcast and off if you had to do that in real life? My Wife's great at that for me. Thank God any. Yeah the guests that you are jealous that I've gotten you shouldn't be telling me she gels Elsa Kristen Bell. She'll just be. He was going to say no to Kristen Bell. Nobody not one person yes and I can't ask people to do your one. Of maybe maybe nine seventy have directly asked I mean you WanNa talk about Disney collectibles. You have an original edition Kristen Bell. That's right but then can you. I only ask you because I'm like okay. I've done his two or three times. I don't feel too guilty as some do mine I need. I need something like that. It's very very hard for me to ask but you know but now like you're at a point where you won't you don't really have to ask him where I imagine. People are pitching themselves. People being pitched to you that's happening and then just it's like I find out through twitter. That some like Lena Dunham loves the show which is awesome and then if they loved the show then of course then I'm like why don't you come on and also because the people feel safe with you because they know that you are basically appear and your not there to make them look bad and they wanna be able. I do believe at I think. Part of the reason why podcasting works so well is that most people really do want to be heard and understood and a lot of performers are not before podcasts. Were just not given the chance Spaghetti junkets and it's like young man you had never has lent itself. I'm not just a you know. I'm not just a repetitive monkey. But I'm a more complicated located monkey. Yeah and I want to share these complicated monkey issues that I have yeah there's also a thing on mine. I think a little bit. which is I'm saying horrendous stuff about myself myself and I seemingly haven't gone up in flames so I think I'm setting the bar in a weird spot for the guess right or like okay? Well I am going to admit something which I wouldn't normally meant but it's not nearly as bad as what he ges admitted right. I think there's some kind of weird safety in that well of course because again people. It's it's a sharing session. I don't think people feel like you know and it's why sort of early on in the podcast. Before the people who didn't WanNA listen fell away and the people who are GonNA listen. Listen they're like don't give a shit about stories about yourself you're fucking ego and I go yes of course yes I have. I appreciate what you're saying but the truth of the matter is like when you share things about yourself other people meet people half way. Yes because I'm going to edit out my side of it and then just act like they just jumped to some crazy. You're just taking from someone it's like you're taking taking taking take it from someone else and a conversation. People need to feel like you're contributing so that they feel safe and so they go. Oh I can relate to that and here's my experience it's and you're not just using them to get a story our attention or whatever well early on I did get some blow back back on twitter and stuff from people saying which is where most of the blowback in the world that's where the blowback scabby name it's blowback I was blow backing which tweeting yes blue backing so people said like you know shut the fuck stop and let your guest talk and I thought you know what this is really maybe a failing on my part which is I just need to alter clear this is an interview. You're listening listening to a conversation with me able and I'm going to converse and you're going to hear about me. It's not an if this then there's so many anything but I will say. In their defense there was a happy medium. Where a lot of those early shows? I did talk way too much because I was terrified of silence and it took a while to get comfortable so so they were right. Yes some and then I was right some but there was a I think there was a happy medium where we kind of figured it out. I agree I'm still inching closer to the right of reminds me when I was a kid and I. That's how the podcast ends. I just becoming aware of all your bad habits as you do more and more podcasts. Which is what I've now in? Its what's funny. Is it something that you said. You're a tape me about Howard Stern. WHO's my absolute favorite in the whole space? He's my hero. I would get frustrated when he would. He gets jealous as a person admittedly early and so every accurate have on. It'd be like just make you so jealous when you didn't do that role in that person did it. And they got an award because that's where his mind goes and and when they would say no. I didn't get jealous. He almost can't believe and goes back and forth. Run at an zoo now. Oh come to realize I do project tongue because I'm trapped in my own perspective so if someone says something that would be triggering to me. Of course I'm like well Piss you offered and enter you know so you know there are these bad habits and becoming more and more aware of but at the same time the another voice in my head goes the goal. Should not be for for you to be perfect at this. This the goal should be whatever whatever you I think he. PODCAST is interesting when there's a journey and there's a journey you know for those of us especially those of us who've been sobriety or constantly like get better. I go to improve. There is a journey of self discovery. That I think is sort of fun to listen in on you know and I definitely definitely think that if like evolving with the podcasts. Well let's say you do have to have all because you can't listen the same thing endlessly if it never evolved even look at stern like you know my wife wouldn't even give him a chance because they're of course was a period in his career. Worry through Bologna Loni at girls asses out. So if you listen to the Shea my eyes are up here throw Bologna. At my is respect the females is. Maybe that's all she was mad about was the areas being thrown it. But I understand what you're saying I mean he's there's so little that now now and I think it was the smartest thing he could have ever done is to not get locked he because it would have been very easy for him to go. We'll know my audience likes that. So I'll lose them if if I evolved past that never thinking which was then proven to be true that those audience members are also getting older and they're evolving in their tastes change. Yeah it'd be fraudulent excellent or dishonest to to deny how you're of all but also yes and again that's just sort of being aware of where you are and that happens in real life like people regularly earlier confronted with evolving out of friendships evolving towards other friendships evolving out of relationships. Like it's not a thing that's just happening professionally nationally. It's like it's a part of life is that you change in grow and unfortunately often the elements around you have to reflect that yeah and it can be uncomfortable. Like growth can be uncomfortable. It's like there's a reasonable you know we. It's called growing pains. It's not called growing pleasures owing Boehner's as you're growing Boehner's great sitcom mixes growing pains and wasn't there a character named Boehner on growing. Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes it was it was it was a working title. It was the working title. Spend spend. So what are you. Are you asking questions you can ask me. What are you watching right now? Show well. Let's see what are we watching. Obviously walking dead. What are we watching shows? A We watched hunting pill house which was great because you like horror. Yeah we we love. We love horror. We Watch Council rock. We watched castlerock. We watch cast not a hard person but I got into that one. Yeah castlerock was really fun and we watch and I watch cheers every every night. You know. There's eleven seasons in the show never dips. It starts amazing and continues to be amazing raising the entire time for me that. Yeah that and Seinfeld are kind of the UNICORNS of like. I don't understand how you keep that quality. I mean it's it's breath perfect concert of just like the writing the directing the acting like everything about it just or oh. You're happy you happen into one project. Have the best multi CAM director of all time Jimmy Boroughs with one of the most charismatic leads of all time Sam Malone and everyone's gray and again Ted Danson and I have to tell you that a lot of people that I know are saying you have to watch the good place. It's the fucking best show on the showrunner for walking dead Angela King. We were talking about what we watch. she was like I fucking love the good place she goes I. It's just such an amazing. Yeah show and so even for me me who watches it. Of course every Thursday when it comes on with my wife What impresses me mouths is is the storytelling like Mike? Scherer is smart motherfucker as staff of writers. So even if it's not even when it's not my brand of humor per se you have to admire trae talent farting on trains trains. I keep waiting. They've been on many trains in the shop now. One but Yeah the the complexity of the story is will you know. It's very very rare. That a comedy is serialized and that you are actually dying to find out what happens opens in the next episode. I can only think of two or three that are like that like last man on earth. I Love Yeah. Yeah Yeah and I found myself going like I can't believe leave. I WANNA watch. The next episode is badly. I wanted to watch an episode of breaking bad or something like they've somehow infused that cliffhanger thing with comedy yes so what are you watching. We just started hand maids Tau which we were laid on yet. Because I had watched the pilot and it wasn't for me I didn't think it was just so bleak league did you have you watched. My I was Outta town and Lydia watched it without your home and she was like I already watched and I'm like fuck and so now you know I feel. Ah I'll have to watch it alone. It's incredible I've not heard one bad thing about it. It's really incredible. In the way that they are subversively tackling tackling. A couple of huge modern day issues is pretty impressive. Both Kinda misogyny and in they they trick you into understanding what what. It's like to be a refugee. It's really powerful so I'll have to. I'll definitely you gotTA watch it. Yeah and get the third episode for me. That's where it took off we watch baskets. Okay which is Great What else last chance you do you watch that show Net flicks so the first two season. It's about a junior college. The first two seasons in Mississippi where these extraordinary football players. We've had really bad personal issues that have been kicked out of like top tier colleges and this is their second chance if they don't do well here in graduate from this junior college there. Walgreens are overseas sports element. And I'm not no I'm not into football. It's so personal these kids it's so heartfelt and amazing and and you can't not like it and then the third season which I watched a couple episodes of it is a different school altogether in a different saying and I don't like it I liked liked all the old people and then my brother just got to stick with it and then I committed and now I'm like I can't about Netflix. Is they will find a series. It's like you know hanger town. We're like what the Fuck Hanger Town Season Five Season Five fucker. These shows was being made so many shows that are like five seasons in that I that I have never heard of while the thing I feel guilty about regularly Mahnken can I were just talking about. This is because you're such a glut of amazing shows. I'm such a fair weather fan now. It used to be when there was only like only the Sopranos of of course I get through three bad episodes to get to a good one. Because what else was I going to do. But I watch like the first season of Mister robot loved it. I two thirds of the way through the second the the second season I episodes. I'm out that's it for me anymore. I pulled a report and I've done four five shows that I love the first season the second season or whatever and boy if you lose me one episode. I'm so I feel very shallow because you know we're spoiled now. And not the most pleasurable thing to us at any. Given in moment we can just go find the most bad basically just an a giant candy store like this thing lost its flavor. I'm going to go over here to the to the sour catch candor present. I feel like I got like a bad affair with sports. Fan Bad game and amount out new team go to get a new team they suck this year. No it's just one bad game. They suck this entire year extreme. So where what. What else are you promoting besides armchair experts? You're you're promoting marks on the train. I'm always profiles on intriguing among the Rancho Net flicks I come in midway through that series and I think those I've filmed the wild go but I think they're about to come out now may come up and blocks never been on a Netflix show. So it's very interesting to know that you'll come out and like they could have seen the whole thing in an afternoon. Yeah Yeah it's kind of interesting. Yeah and then and then game show. That's what I want to talk about. We have the same. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Andrew glassman one of the nicest men and television truly truly. I must have said this five times a day the never in my life had a nicer boss. He so with people on the wall he stays in contact with all the contestants yes checks in. He makes sure they're okay. He wants to make sure they feel supported if they didn't win because we'll have conversations and and I'll say I was gutted that this one couple when he goes I've I've I've been speaking to them fine like this thing happened. They're happy like they're good. You know like I'm so impressed by how much he yeah well and by the way this is a second time again. It's so hard for me to ask for advice weirdly. I've asked you for advice twice this year. You're in a very rare category. The people I've asked by some such no at all but yeah 'cause I got approach to do his show spin the wheel which I did which I think comes out in January on Fox a game show like yours preposterously huge scale like a five storey spinning wheel. You can win twenty two million dollars the whole thing and and I called you and I said you know should I do this. What do you think of this? And you walked me through all the pros and cons of it and it was very helpful and and you had warned me. It can get heartbreaking and in boy. Is that true because you spend two hours with people. In this crazy heightened stay a and they're only bringing you people that are twenty times better than you are of course yet literally. This guy like was driving on the road. There's a train crashed on an overpass ask. He crawls through the train pulls out twenty two people and now I'm next to him and I'm like I'm a piece of you know what I do think fast that's uh-huh contribution to the planet earth is I think fat. I'm charmingly area superpower actually have power and so yeah when when you're with these people and it's getting so close to them either winning this fortune that's going to change. There are not a boy. It's a ride. Yeah and also you know just remembering that. They're people like that. You can talk to them and it doesn't have to be like let's say what's actually just talk to them. LAY PEOPLE AND LEARN I. I love doing the walk because I love learning from people like you said who twenty times better than I am yeah and just trying to absorb. They're positive energy. And mines almost always even even if even rooted in evil which I'm so cynical. I'm like what kind of person Zain would do this extraordinary thing. My first thought is well. They've killed somebody and may WANNA pant. I think it's different because I'm definitely not cynical niggle in that way and I miss throat and you're not find him. It makes me happy and also you know it's just it's nice when the world feels so toxic out there again. I I almost feel like I have appropriate expectations. Years are high in your let down by humanity I can. I'm shocked when someone does the right thing in your life. Ah Yes of course. That's what they should do. And I'm and I'm shocked when people do horrible things because it's Inconceiva- like it if someone says something really horrible it's like why would you see that to a person like ticket and I go. Oh yeah that's exactly what I expected. I do the exact opposite. I don't understand the as one of the some result of it though I'm also so I'm also like trustworthy to a fault. It's really easy to pull shit over a lot of people when they tell me things. Yeah very easy to lie to me because they said they. Why would they do something? That's not what they said. You know. I mean it's I. I guess there's pros pros and cons to both. Maybe it's maybe we need to do is come together like like the Alien Station from Bill and Ted's excellent adventure and we'll just find like that's are the perfect copilot's in the end. Yeah and then we smash together for the stereoscopic vision. You know. You're very cynical and I'm like well I'm still waiting for you to call me for for advice. Recognize my genius yet. Well or or maybe. I've been digging it out of you this entire time and I just didn't something tells me when you have kids you. Ah I might get a call from you. It's A. It's a never ending lesson in flexibility. So your podcast is our blushing right now and you you have all these amazing things coming up. I'm excited sear excited to see the show that you did with Andrew for box right. Yeah and let me just again. If I wasn't clear enough. I love you. Andrew in you're the sweetest boss I ever had and I wish you were my boss on all things a really mean that I love that guy. He's he's genuine. He's the real. Our lives are becoming coming so paralleled. It's really ridiculous. Because how many people have a big event game show host was a very select few people you still like. I'm still doing doing almost the exact same things you you still have to do. An after show for a scripted drama. Okay I'll do it and I just gotTa find one on that you want to talk about fucking Nisha. I mean what a better place. which is the good place after show? Where or the bad plays a bad Dan place most people saw me as the face of the better place? Heading Kristen are the the bad a AH yeah me and Adam could host it. Well thanks for coming over. We live very close. We never really get to hang out than ever because you could walk to each. There's houses sincerely there's no easier appointment to keep for either of us than one another podcast. 'cause they're within a thousand feet. Let me tell you crucial that. You were on time because sometimes when things are really close. Oh easier easier too late. I am mostly to things I'm closest to. I'll be on the tow like right now. I'm shooting the ranch. It's at Netflix. netflix eight blocks from my house. So so literally be on the toilet on what are we calling blowback on a low back back looking at the time and I'm like all right nine fifty eight. I have to be there at ten. I'm still looking great. And I'm I'm mid dump. How have you live Golden? I can get to work at two minutes and in reference to blowback. I believe it was Kato who said I begin to speak. Only when I'm certain what I'll say isn't better left unsaid. A delightful way a thank you for sending me home on that. I'm going to take the Badger yet. You can take the. I'll return it after the holidays. Yeah please do go tecoma. Hi guys begging ever wreath around IOS Mac he he wants a wraith and he wants he wants like a ham leg. I think you WanNa say you should do a wreath in the wreath severed fingers and stuff. Oh that's a great idea. Yeah that's what he wants to eat your fingers or something like that. We do the Halloween tree that she puts up so there is probably a severed finger wreath. Yeah kept her hidden from me by the way that was smart. She's not here. Well so you say yeah. She's with miscarriages wife. Alright hardwick all right. That was the number ten thirty five with DAX SHEPARD GOING UP extraordinarily late Which of course I explained in the beginning of the PODCAST? It's it's time for idiot. Rat APP idea. Ten T- Rep. I'M GONNA settle on a name. It's going to happen. I'm just GONNA start calling in calling it something and then that's ultimately what it's going to be but you know we also have a little. I'm fighting a cold. I'm on the edge of that holiday. The seasonal cold guys. Do you know what's drop down all the way to fifty three degrees in Los Angeles. How does anyone survive? Such extreme named temperature changes. I know we have no reason to to weather elements here in L. A.. So I acknowledge this but I also say like it does feel cold as fuck okay anyway DAX and I were talking about how when someone says something should he to you how you how a lot of times we we choose to be hurt by things we choose to feel bad about stuff and I just I thought it was interesting point to clarify also because you know no look. They're certainly extreme situations. I mean if someone comes up to you and your own piece of Shit and everything you do is failure and fuck you and fuck your family. Of course that's GonNa make you feel bad. You would have to be made of rock for that not to make you feel bad or if someone steals your dog yes. You're you're going to feel bad about that. There are certainly instances where you're going to feel bad so I don't think the ideas like you can choose to never feel bad about anything. I don't think that's a very realistic nick. I think we're just talking in general terms about you. Know a lot of things that stick in our brain that we kind of beat ourselves up about so I do WanNa talk about just sort of general like well. What do you do when you know something really bad happens and you feel bad bad about it? I've been enjoying this a sub breaded which are mindfulness which is exactly what it is is just sort of mindfulness and I throw it in there with my get motivated and stoicism and all the all the fun brain ones that I read on read it but I I really sort of like the idea and you see this theme recur Latin. Mindfulness which is you know rather than fighting the feelings that you're having you acknowledge them and and you sit in them. And then you allow them to pass. SORTA like with Kristen. Bell was talking about last week where she allows her kids the she allows tells them to sort of sit in their embarrassment for a minute and then move on like okay. We had that moment. Now everything's you know everything's Okay you learn from it so in those moments where someone steals her dog or someone says the worst things imaginable to you or something really bad happens. It's over the long haul over the long term trying to make choices that don't let you sit in it as long you know over the weeks and months and years because the shitty things like that can replay in your head over and over and over again and so maybe it's allowing it to happen allowing it to pass and then when it keeps trying to come back and make you feel bad just choosing to have other thoughts or move your focus elsewhere this where I was having lunch with a friend of mine a couple of days ago and he said something so brilliant. He's older he's in his seventies so he's got some wisdom under his belt and he said to me never put a period at the end of negative sentence and I just thought that completely changed my because he said when you put a period at the end of a negative sentence negative self-talk. Then it's a thing that your brain can sort of build an argument around. I was like Oh my God. You're right when you when you kind of have negative self-talk thing you put a period on the end the period sort of makes it definitive and then it starts to solidify when it starts to solidify. Your brain starts giving you all these examples to justify that sentence so maybe just don't put a period on these things you know when you have bad feelings you you can feel them you can. You can feel them and it's natural to feel them no. It's not gonNA last forever. No there's not a period on the end of it and when it starts to go on and on and then maybe just try choosing to think about something else choosing to have a different spin on it choosing you to see like what did I learn from this. You know I mean obviously there are extreme situations. It's not always gonNA work maybe in every situation and that's okay too but I'm just trying to give you as many little inspirational tools as a can so that you know at least you can cut out a percentage of the negative pretty you might be experiencing between your ears so that is it for today as always I appreciate you. I hope you're navigating the the Weather changes in your region. Seriously like the rest of the. I do feel bad complaining about fifty three weather like the rest of the country is really have. It's like an ice forest right now so but I hope you're well. I hope you're safe. I do appreciate you and I will see you and your ears real soon gaining complete enjoy radio.

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Not Always Sunny At 'Mythic Quest'

The Frame

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Not Always Sunny At 'Mythic Quest'

"It from the broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm John Horn on today's show. The Walt Disney Company has named a successor to Bob. Eiger we'll tell you who the new is and why Disney made that choice then. Megan Ganz and RAW mcilhenny on their new comedy. Mythic quest it said inside a video game company but it's designed to appeal to Gamers and non gamers alike definitely at the heart of it so I always make it a pretty typical workplace comedy. Where hopefully would see your own workplace reflected even if you didn't know anything about video games and we visit music festival that's known as Europe's version of south by southwest. That's today frame. We'll be right back. Welcome to the frame John Horn. There is news today that Bob. Iger is stepping down immediately as CEO of the Walt Disney Company to make room for his successor. And that has bob shape. Heck who runs Disney's theme Parks Division? Last year Eiger announced that he would step down when his contract expires. At the end of two thousand twenty one he will remain at the company as Executive Chairman and according to a Disney press release will direct the company's creative endeavors joining me to discuss the Disney news. Is Ben Fritz? He's the West Coast Bureau chief at the Wall Street Journal. He's also the author of the book. The big picture the fight for the future of movies so Bob. Eiger has mentioned several times that he was going to leave his current position. What are we to make the timing right now? it's tough to tell exactly why. Why Sudden Change? After all these years about you're saying he was gonNA leave and then and then on saying he was gonNA leave and delay. He's delayed his retirement numerous times over the past decade And he's you know less than a year and a half into His latest three year contract so It's kind of surprising and but on the other hand like it's very eager to sort of do it do it all in secret. And then all of a sudden announcement the world in an unexpected way so his successor Bob. Shaye PACK RUNS. Disney's biggest business that is theme parks and consumer products. What are we to make of his selection and were there other people who might have been competing for the job? There certainly are were other people like I think the biggest contender currently at Disney's Kevin Mayor who's running their new streaming effort. You know if that's led by Disney plus And he's piece Benefit of top strategy company for a long time You know with cheaper amongst the current chronic executives is a bit of a safe choice right. He's running. He's running sort of the traditional businesses like theme parks. Obviously maybe the business most associated with Disney as opposed to streaming which is certainly the future of Disney And you know by all accounts shape pick is a very smart guy a very competent guy But certainly is not so doesn't sort of had like the the charisma. Let's say he's in as much of the you know sort of a great public speaker of this. You Know Bob. Agar's let's talk a little bit about what Bob Eiger has done at the Walt Disney Company. I'm going to name four deals. Pixar seven point. Four Billion Marvel fourbillion. Lucasfilm four billion and last year the Walker twenty-first-century Fox seventy one point three billion those are all kind of content movie TV DEALS. What kind of studio is Bob? Eiger leaving behind before we talk about the rest of the company. I mean Bob is leaving behind what I think anybody would have to say you sort of the most successful And tightly run meter. Entertainment Company in In America Today But Disney's very focused on franchises. They were ahead of the rest of Hollywood and focusing their business on franchises. You said a lot of that through acquisitions of Pixar and Marvel and star wars and franchises. Obviously sort of at the heart of the movie business these days and then was somewhat ahead of the curve and realizing he couldn't keep selling and stuff like that Disney would have to launch its own streaming service to compete which is why Disney pluses already out there and It's you know is is certainly ahead of what we're seeing from his competitors like. Hbo Madison Peacock. Which are still to come. I think later this year. So you'd have to say he's always been for media executive pretty ahead of the curve and and being a leader Disney plus as part of the Fox deal. They got a portion of Hulu than they bought out the rest of the portion of Hulu from comcast. So what is Disney focused on now in terms of taking on Netflix with streaming they have Disney plus they have Hulu? Is that where a lot of their money and attention? That's going right now. Absolutely I mean the future of Disney Entertainment Distributor is Disney plus Hulu and ESPN plus right. Those are It's three major streaming services and traditional. Tv business is being shrunk rapidly and that's where it just means putting all of its efforts And a lot of its films stuff is going there as well So that that is the future of Disney but yet the One business they have certainly not shrinking is the one that shaped expert overseeing which is part of consumer products right while traditional. Entertainment is being disrupted. People still love to go to theme parks and Disney theme parks or are more successful than ever these days And people love to buy the toys as well so That's sort of the more traditional side of the business that is not being transformed by by digital technology. And I think you could make the argument. Theme Parks have what's known in business as a wide moat. They're not a lot of competitors to theme parks but there is something called the corona virus and there are problems that theme parks and cruise lines of which Disney has a cruise line are also facing pressures. So what does that business look like going forward? And what does it tell us about how Disney values theme parks that Bob? Shaye pack would be running the whole company. Well I think in the short run is not a great moment to be running theme parks in Shanghai and Hong Kong is Disney does and to have cruise ships So that businesses under pressure right now but I you know presuming. How do you get this virus under control? I think Everybody would think businesses will continue to be successful as they have been and You know about shape that has by all accounts than done a very good job running those businesses and he's generated a lot of profits for the difficulties any company. That's that's as you said it's a lot of the revenue and profits come in you know streaming the future but streaming is a money losing business for now and I think you know with disappointment. Disney's kind of saying yes remains an important part of future but Disney is still a company that at its heart is about the experiences. People have theme parks. Bob Eiger will leave a great track record. I think the Disney company very impressive guy in person great public speaker. There's been some speculation about him running for political office. Do you think that's potentially part of his future Anything's possible right. I think I urge you know. Has He's publicly said that. He toyed with the idea of running for president this year and he decided it wasn't right for him But he's very politically active Democrat. I would not be surprised if he's hoping that you know if our next president is a Democrat that he might you know have some kind of a role in administration. I think that's something. He would probably love to do. Fifty profile very well. Well I'M GONNA. He's not jumping in this year. It feels like we really don't need another billionaire in the race Ben. Fritz is the West Coast Bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal. Ben Thanks so much for coming back on the show. Sure it's my pleasure. Don't coming up on the frame. The team behind it's always sunny in Philadelphia has a new series and it said in their office of a video game developer. Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn. What do you get when you combine the efforts of that giant Tech Company? That makes your phone the video game producer. Ubi soft and the people behind the FX series. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. The answer is the new apple. Tv plus series mythic Quest Raven's banquet is a workplace comedy set inside a Video Games studio as the company launches its first expansion of its game. Mythic quest tensions rise between lead engineer. Poppy Lee played by Charlotte. Nick Dow and creative director I in grim played by rob mcilhenny. Mcilhenny Co created the series along with Charlie Day and Megan Ganz Gan says when they first learned how much the video game industry dwarfs the film. Tv and music businesses in terms of revenue. They knew it was something they could work into the show. The grand theft auto franchise has made more money than star worse including all of the movies and all the merchandising and everything and yet who who made that the grand theft auto series like most people. Don't know that name. So you have this amazing industry which is really does we say dwarf the entertainment industry because it's global as well. These video games are coming out everywhere at once. They can do hundreds of millions of dollars a day but then so little is known about the process of making them in the people that make them in wire. Those people not celebrated like your Spielberg's in your Lucas's and whatnot Whenever you have really large egos and really little attention. There's a lot of room for comedy in there so I have this idea in my mind. That's probably a little antiquated of a game. Developers Office having foosball and hover boards but in terms of the workplace dynamics. How was it interesting? And what did you see that you thought you could mind for the series? Well people have that assumption to about like the writer's room for comedy and which is fair. Because you know it is supposed to be fun and we try to keep it light and fun. But the truth of the matter is that we all love working on our various projects. I'll I'll talk specifically to Sonny because that's what Megan and I have the most experience working together on and We love it and it's really fun and we work really hard but we also love our families and our free time and we want to go home So you know I whenever you find these kinds of situations say in the gaming industry. It's the same thing where people are there for the United by the love of the game and and for working on these games and yet at the end of the day they just want to go home back to their families And then wake up the next day and start all over so we just noticed a lot of parallels Especially when you find yourself trapped by a boss who doesn't want to go home and what the what that does to your psyche was wrong. You tired physically emotionally and spiritually exhausted. That's not good pop when he just go home rest a bit because I need to. Sharp come back in like eight ten hours and they always provide you with the foosball tables like a reward for the fact that you have to stay there all day but now. I'm old enough to see those for what they are. Which are traps right? We're going to bring in free hummus and pita chips but you're never gonna see the outside world. Yes yes. And so. And Yeah. And I remember we had a ping pong table one time sunny and that thing got a tremendous amount of us and then a tremendous amount of eventually we had to get rid of the ping pong table because people were just playing Ping Pong. And then you realize right. That's why those things are brought in there just bait so you create this show but part of the underlying conceit is that within the show is actually a game called mythic quest. I mean it looks real. There are characters there's action so at. What point do you start saying yourselves? Well if we're doing a show about a game we better have a game. That sounds legitimate. And what is that process like of actually going out and creating the game? I mean you have like a few hundred million dollars for us to go make a game with then we'll get started tomorrow. Yeah we What we have right now is a working game engine that we can position cameras within this virtual reality space and make it look like it's an actual playable game but the truth is all we can do is navigate A lot of these avatars of these characters through this world which is really cool In terms of from a production standpoint you can actually go in there and and really shoot some of these sequences. But there's no there's no tangible gaming experience when you sit down to play so it's fun for about ten minutes and then it gets real boring so so it's kind of like a street on a Hollywood back lot. It looks like a real building but if you go through the door there's nothing there that's exactly what it is. There's no beating heart. It's a corpse. We're talking with Rob mcilhenny and Megan Ganz about their new series mythic quest. I WANNA play a scene. Where David who is the executive producer is having a bit of a crisis and he's talking it out with Carol from the HR Department. What's your management style? Well I'd say I'm I'm kind of like conductor of an orchestra. I don't know how to play an instrument. I don't understand music but when I wave my hands in the air it Jus- kind of all comes together. Okay no that's not. What a conductor does is it. Not much more complicated. I don't know I've never been to a symphony. So at what point does the video game setting kind of magnify the whole idea of it being a workplace comedy I think we'd like to think of the video game element as a jumping off point for a workplace comedy. I mean at its heart. We were looking to make a workplace comedy. Where what you're tuning in for every week is to see these characters and their relationships with each other not necessarily following the success or failure of that video game itself so Yeah it was definitely at the heart of it to to always make it a a a pretty typical workplace comedy. Where hopefully you would see your own. Workplace reflected. Even if you didn't know anything about video games I want to ask you about an acronym that POPs up pretty early in a series. It's called T. T. P. Who like to explain what that stands for? I'll take that actually for me to take so teepee stands for time to penis. Which is the time that it takes for a new item. That's put into a video game to be used by the players to make a penis within the world's this is actually a real term that was told to us From Jayson Altman. Who's one of our co producers who works with Ubisoft and he told us it's a real term because basically there's a so for instance in red dead redemption to video game. There's a feature where if you walk through snow your footsteps stay where you've walked and pretty soon people just started using that in order to make a crude shapes in the snow. Let's say and so when we heard that we were like. Oh well that has to go in and truly it is a thing that that happens so that was a nice little Juncture of our real joke based on. Something that actually happens. No I found a story from two thousand thirteen from a Gamer website called. Why do people love to draw a thin games and investigative report and there are some games that they actually had to? Redo the drawing tool because everybody was doing it. Yes because we're all children that goes back to cave paintings though it's like. People are obsessed with drawing boobs. And it's just always going to be the way rob. How would you describe your interest in terrible characters? Maybe an it's always sunny toward maybe in mythic quest characters who have some terrible tendencies but may not be terrible people. Yeah we always strive on sunny to from the very beginning. We just wanted to do something we hadn't seen before or at least a version of something that wasn't super popular in one of the things you were always constantly hearing in meetings with executives was what you have to make these characters more likable. They need to be more likable. They why are they friends? We don't understand why they were friends. And I remember sitting there Very early on talking about sunny and someone was like well. I don't really get it. Why would these people? Why are these people friends? And I. I just thought of the first thing that popped in my head which was their friends because no one else will be friends with them and it just went over like a lead balloon in the room. They're like we don't get it and I was like all right. Well go go somewhere else because it turns out that there was an appetite for something like that that it didn't feel pandering it didn't feel false and of course we go to the extremes and a lot of the storytelling in a lot of ways. We do that with mythic quest to but ultimately we wanted to create characters that can live out on the margins. And that's what makes for the most exciting stories This is obviously a comedy but it does touch on some not very funny topics like the under representation of women in the video game industry. That would never happen in Hollywood but apparently it happens in the video game business but in this scene. Michelle who is the only other female program herbicides. Poppy talks to a group of young girls. Who are touring the office or else cares the most important piece of advice I give you look cheer left. Now look to grow on your right. That's your competition. She's not your friend going to have to fight her not physically. It's what men do emotionally appear. Okay that's enough for Michelle. I have more to say. Oh I'm sure you do and I respect that but we have a lot of women that do we we do come on. Let's go. I'm GonNa ask you Megan about that whole idea of working in an industry where women are underrepresented because Megan. I think that followed a little bit about what happened to you before you started working on. It's always sunny that you were. I think going to quit the business right Yeah I had you know some rough go of it when I first started. I was certainly walking into rooms where I was the only woman if not like one of two women I think. Also it's important to note that it's not even just the sheer number of women in the room but what position those women are in you know. A lot of women are walking into the rooms where the only other woman is also a staff writer and so if they have an issue. They don't have anyone to necessarily go to about that. That is in a position to help them sometimes so I definitely struggled Before I got to sunny I've been pursuing that show for a long time and I had been instead working in network. Tv which in the writer's room there's It's a slightly older Age Bracket of people that work there and so there were maybe some of those more entrenched dynamics that I was walking into and the first time I walked into the sunny room. It was like it was everything that I ever wanted in that. There was no vibe whatsoever. It was just. Hey we're all here to make a show and do a job and I wasn't asked constantly. What my opinion about the female character wasn't I wasn't asked to talk about my experiences. A woman it was just. Hey what would be funny here. What can we do? How can we make the story work? And I just got to do my job. Which is all I ever really wanted to do. And and I've talked about this before but I think back to those dark times when I thought about leaving and it saddens me now just for myself but to think of any woman who got to that position and just couldn't take it anymore and we're deprived of that person's voice you know. I feel like this was what I was supposed to do with my life as work in television and write comedy and so. I'm so glad that I moved through that time. And then got to a situation where now? I'm just allowed to do whatever we wanted to do. Megan Ganz and raw mcilhenny are along with Charlie Day the CO creators of mythic Quest Raven's banquet it's streaming now on apple. Tv Plus Megan Rob. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you thanks for coming up on the frame. Imagine south by southwest set in the Netherlands. We visit the Euro. Sonic Music Festival. Welcome back to the frame. I'm horn every year. Tens of thousands of people descend on the northern Netherlands for the euro. Sonic Music Festival. It's Europe's version of south by southwest featuring about three hundred and fifty musical acts that hail everywhere from Australia to Ukraine. And if you're a fan of world music then. This is the place to be the frame contributor. Sonia narrowing visited the festival and filed this report on a cold winter night in the northern Dutch. City of Groningen. A crowd crammed into the Grand Theater. Dancing to music. Rarely heard here doodo beats from the African nation of Angola an Afro Portuguese singer who goes by Pondo took the stage in a gold sequin outfit and brought down the House with a pulsating rhythms. This energetic musical style originally came about. During Angola's turbulent past Pungo says performing it gives you a sense of freedom. She was born in Angola and moved to Portugal as a child getting. Oh wait one. Simple diesel integral sound. I was eight years old and it was a bit hard integrating into Portuguese. Society did since Kadura started taking over the scene. I finally feel like a part of the society from that moment on. I found my world in Portugal and I feel like I'm home at the euro. Sonic Festival music. Fans from around. The world are treated to a buffet of sounds from more than thirty countries. Festival's artistic director is Robert Mary since almost thirty five years with on emerging new acts from Europe. There's so many people from different backgrounds not only from Europe but also from abroad. Of course it's very to share knowledge to make each other understand what's going on but began as a battle of the bands between Dutch and Belgian musicians evolved into a major event a showcases all genres. Oh Way from Guida is a Dutch Sudanese hip hop and soul musician. Who Lives in the Southern Netherlands? She sings in a blend of Arabic and English and has used her music to bring attention to the conflict in Sudan. Music is the only way I know how to like. Speak for me. It's like it's my exhale also my like way to understand how I'm feeling as well sure. She dedicated her song morning blue to her ancestral homeland. She had just returned from visiting Sudan a week before this concert. I wanted to do my part from where like as much as I could in my like corner for me. It's always like okay. This is my song from my home. We this multicultural richness was on full display at Ura. Sonic Kenyan rapper. Tony Drummer Queen Blends English and Swahili languages and performs with Swiss collaborators on her catchy Song Susie. Noma is an anthem for self. Made women like her. It's an opportune moment to be an African an African woman. Now we're just owning it and we can share it in ways that I suppose Europe understands so I'm excited about Maroon in that Terry fight about my ruining that West during the festival venues from old churches to record shops. Come alive with music down the street. The Martini Church turned into a Portuguese Fato House. That's a musical style popular in the cafes of Lisbon and the operatic singer. Lena brought it to the Netherlands. Her Spanish collaborator wool referee previously teamed up with flamenco Music Star Rosalia and he now puts a new spin on fato music. We started to to play together and it was magic. We understood each other the way I was playing and where the way she was singing really melted together very well. It's beautiful. It's super emotion. A Euro Sonic musician with Caribbean Roots. Is Charlotte of Belgium. One of her electro pop tracks Sung in the creole language was picked up by the HBO show trailer for the new pope. My mom was always singing and there was a way of expressing ourselves at home as well. And that's also very Caribbean. Express yourself through music through dance and singing the same basement. Venue another Belgian artists took the stage on a different night known as lose and the accuser the Congo born Rwanda. Ray Singer kept the audience transfixed with her gripping French lyrics don't euro sonic sets the stage for another big European musical extravaganza coming up in the Netherlands. The Super Popular Eurovision Song Contest. This may for the frame. I'm Sonia Narin did he reveal offers. And that'll do it for today. I'm John Horn. Remember to follow us on facebook and twitter. You can find us at the frame. Thanks for listening or back here tomorrow at the moment broadcast center.

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Mac OS Ken: 06.11.2019

Mac OS Ken

14:01 min | 2 years ago

Mac OS Ken: 06.11.2019

"Right. I may owe you an apology during Monday's Eero at I talked about the upcoming compatibility between Eero and apples home kit for routers. Am I the jump the gun on that based on home kit, having gone from hardware authentication to software authentication a few years back? My assumption was that devices. Bought today will be upgradable to home kit for routers again though. That was my assumption, not something I've heard from Eero I should not assume and for that I apologize. This is MAC. OS ken. The president may be eyeing a bit of tech money, an apple cart. Exac is apple customers and an apple TV plus show hits e three it's Tuesday the eleventh of June twenty nineteen time Ken Ray. And this is news from Matt go west Ken brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by ero- the home wifi system, that goes anywhere and covers everywhere. Grab your euro today at E R O Eero dot com slash MAC. OS can. This show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriotic, and find out more that your support that patriotic dot com slash MAC. OS ken. Interesting times for TAC, though. Interesting does not always mean good CNBC ran a piece on Monday under the headline. Trump likes EU fines against big US tech companies and would like some of that money to the peace has the president talking was squawk box. Co host Joe Kernan quoting the article President Donald Trump told CNBC on Monday that the US could benefit from some of the cash windfall European regulators are getting from lawsuits with major American technology companies, he pointed to the European Union's probes and detect giants and said, they're great companies. But something's going on when it comes to their concentrated power Trump said that as a byproduct of the fines, the EU gets all this money, we should be doing that. Remind me who was it that led the charge on tax breaks for corporations. Is he talking about plundering, a certain sector of business an unpopular sector with some after drastically reducing their tax rates less than two years ago? Providing a bit more background. The CNBC P says the European Commission has slapped nine point five billion dollars in anti-trust fines against Google since two thousand seventeen Facebook has been subject to probes across the EU since a strict new set of privacy rules, called the general data protection regulation went into effect last year. US regulators and lawmakers have also increased efforts domestically to rain, then big tech companies, the president said, European regulators think of the lawsuits as easy money where they'll sue apple for seven billion dollars and win the case. I think it's a bad situation obviously Trump said but I think there is something going on in terms of monopoly. The piece also points out the push against tech from both sides on the left. Massachusetts, Senator and presidential hopeful, Elizabeth Warren has called for big tech to be broken up while on the right, the president and others have said that platforms such as Twitter and YouTube or silencing the voices of conservatives. Funny enough. Sometimes the president tweets about that. Interesting times for TAC, though. Interesting does not always mean good. Here's an interesting take when it comes to apple card. Goldman Sachs isn't as interested in getting your money as it is in getting you one assumes, that's because you'll bring your money with you. If you stay. Apple and cider had Omer Ishmail had of Goldman's Marcus division. Speaking of business insiders, ignition transforming finance event on Monday, Marcus is non line only arm of Goldman Sachs, apparently the part of the Bank with which apple card will deal after recounting the ways apple cart is not set to make money at the same clip, as other credit card offerings lack of fees encouragement to pay less interest. No access to customer. Data are listed as examples, the peace has the exact appearing unfazed according to him when I think about Marcus overall, the idea that doing right by the customer means being less profitable, as just not an idea. We subscribe to if you do right by the customer, you're going to ultimately win their loyalty. That's like made for Johnny ive commercial. The apple insider report uses terms like foot in the door and toehold when talking about the Marcus association with apple card. It'll be interesting to see how consumer focus, they stay as the years go by. A mini minor update from apple on Monday are Technica says apple has released I O S twelve dot three dot to addressing a specific camera issue on a specific iphone specifically iphone eight plus the coding to Apple's release note IOS, twelve dot three dot two resolves. In this, you that could cause camera to capture portrait mode photos without depth the fact on some iphone eight plus devices. And you know what that means? My phone is cooler than yours, because it gets an update while yours doesn't. Of course, my update is fixing an issue your phone doesn't have. So let's call this one, a draw. No security patches tied to this one just making your portrait shots. Look deep IOS, twelve dot three dot two for iphone eight plus is free. It's available now in the usual ways apple appears to have made a bit of an UCS on Monday business insider says the Cupertino company may have led slip when it hopes to ship. The new modular MAC, pro lots was announced about the machine that last week's WW DC keynote, how much the base unit will be how powerful the display will be how obscene the price of the stand depending on who you ask. While apple did say the machine will be available to order in the fall, that's like a three month window. Now, it appears orders may start as soon as that window opens on the calendar. According to business insider, dialog box that appeared on Apple's website when clicking a link to register for more information about the MAC pro. Referred to the product as coming September as blog nine to five MAC. I noticed oh don't bother checking now. They fixed the issue. The prompt is back to saying coming this fall, according to the business insider piece. More news in a moment, but I word from Eero the home wifi system, that goes anywhere and covers everywhere, power and versatility. Those are two things than Eero package can bring the you. When I set up my Eero and two beacons a couple years ago, two things happened, I WI fi was able to reach areas in my home that my previous router alone, had failed the heads and second my workspace which had never had a connection issue. Suddenly had faster WI fi with the addition of a third five gigahertz radio. The second generation Eero is now try band and twice as fast as predecessor which lets you do more symbol Tena sleepy in every room of your home. Whatever your wifi needs Eero has the power to seamlessly blanket, your home and fast reliable WI fi. And with the addition of a new thread radio ero-. And connect the low power devices such as logs doorbells other sensors and more. I've had a number of routers over the years, some I bought some supplied by ISP's. I have never had a wifi experience as simple and powerful as when I found with my Eero, check them out for yourself at Eero dot com slash Moco. West ken. That's E R O, Eero dot com slash MAC OS Ken, the gun different offers for different sized homes. Take a look see which package is right for you at E R O Eero dot com slash MAC. OS ken. Eero the home wifi system, that goes anywhere and covers everywhere and the big thanks to Eero for sponsoring this week show. There is one name and ticketing for college sports. Apparently, and that name is apparently pack Yoland that company issued a statement on Monday, announcing its support for contactless tickets and apple wallet for college sports schools, gearing up for the fall twenty nineteen football season include Baylor, LSU, Michigan state, ole miss Georgia Tech and Rutgers the coordinated the release iphone and apple watch users, will receive their purchase tickets by text message and can add them to apple wallet with a single touch after that it pretty much works like an apple wallet, train ticket plane ticket or ticket to a movie and incredibly high energy pag you'll and promo, I found on YouTube says the firm services over one hundred universities, no word on when the other over ninety four university served will land in upper wallet. Apple may not be at ease three but apple TV, plus is kind of I'm more says Ubisoft film, and television, showed off mythic quest Raven's. Banquet on Monday setting the studios of a massively multiplayer online role playing game. The peace says the show is the first live action comedy series from Ubisoft film, and television, which is produced an partnership with rob mcilhenny Charlie day, three, yards entertainment, and Lionsgate television, mythic quest Raven's. Banquet is created by. It's always sunny in Philadelphia veterans, rob mcilhenny, Charlie day and Megan Ganz, also spotted them the trailer communities, Daniel, pootie, and f Murray Abraham chief bad guy from Star Trek insurrection, and Academy Award winner for Medina's mythic quest Raven's. Banquet will premiere exclusively on apple. TV plus that service launches this fall, you know, in case you hadn't heard. And finally today, a public service announcement stealing is bad stealing. Apple gear is dumb, and storing stolen apple gear with other stolen stuff is the height or depth of stupidity. According to a piece from cult of MAC, the find my ipad feature on an apple tablet helped cops track down the thieves responsible for taking a police deputies gun and tactical gear. Because they kept it altogether. You see quoting the cult a local news report says that Lee county sheriff's office traits that the to a home in Northern Cape. Coral Florida late last week it doesn't make clear who the ipad belong to however, the geo locating feature and subsequent audible tone, the app produces led the officers to a stolen stash. This includes a deputies stolen gun X, twenty-six teaser tactical vest, and three loaded magazines with amunition. Oceans, eleven this is not. Mac OS Ken brought to you by me and sponsored by euro, the home wifi system, that goes anywhere and covers everywhere, grab your euro today at E R O, Eero dot com slash MAC. OS can this show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriotic. 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Mac OS Ken: 01.20.2020

Mac OS Ken

16:47 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 01.20.2020

"It is Mac. Os notes from Torres and Ursa major goot news for Apple and Germany and tons of news around Apple TV applause. It's Monday the twentieth of January. Twenty twenty. I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from Moscow West can brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by ZAP here the easiest way to automate your work. Try It for free for two weeks at Z.. A. EP I E R Zappia dot com slash macos can. This show is also supported by people like Hugh patrons through patron. Find out more in that your support that Patriot on dot com slash mackel the West cap notes to end the week last week from Taurus and Ursa major those would be the ever bullish Morgan and Stanley and ever bearish Maura. CNBC had news of the notes. Both of which included raise price targets for apple stock from from the bull. The peace had Morgan Stanley saying the wide open replacement windows plus the coming of five G.. Should help apple keep outperforming other hardware makers or replacement cycles have gotten longer since the days of the two hundred dollars subsidized iphone. The note says longer battery life and upcoming five g technology which will enable new functionality like augmented reality combined with aggressive trait and offers that subsidize upgrades for existing iphone owners suggests replacement cycles can't stretch much further and may in fact begin to shrink. Also apple's not all about iphone anymore war with services and wearables now constituting twenty seven percent and thirty seven percent of prophets. According to Morgan Stanley's numbers. The firm has a positive rating on apple shares. They used Friday's no to up their twelve month. Price target on the shares from two hundred ninety six dollars to three hundred. Sixty eight eight not nearly as optimistic as the Maura. CNBC's says Nomura boosted its price target on Apple. Thanks to strengthening thing. I phone demands. An order suggesting that the iphone eleven cycle will carry through twenty twenty as well as an extra boost likely to come from wearables but the firm is swimming against the tide on iphone. Five G. Nomura's note says it expects the forty two eighty dollars incremental bill of materials those costs to a five G. phone to be a barrier to adoption and that no Lincoln the value chain consumers suppliers operators or apple itself. Alf is likely to shoulder that cost burden Nomura also says the rate of upgrades declined in the transition from three G. Four G something. They seem to think will happen again. The Motor maintains a neutral rating on apple shares. The firm up its apple price target on Friday from two hundred the twenty five dollars to two hundred eighty that two hundred eighty dollars price target does not come close to keeping up with apple. Today it's close goes to forty dollars below the you guessed it new Intra Day and closing highs set by apple on Friday. The difference between those could not have been thinner Mac. Daily News says shares got his high Friday as three hundred eighteen dollars and seventy four cents. They closed one penny lower or than that. Though ending the day at three eighteen seventy three apples growing footprint in Germany. macrumors says it's the Cupertino Company is set to open a new office in Munich citing a German new site. The peace says lots of words and German along with some words. I can pronounce like the new office. Space is expected the house around fifteen hundred employees when it is completed in twenty on e.. twenty-one macrumors says apple already operates the Bavarian Design Center in Munich Germany with three hundred engineers that work on silicon chips ebbs and other technologies for apple devices. Maybe those people are moving or maybe it's all new. Hires apple declined to comment for the macrumors report. More news in a moment but first I am very happy to welcome a new sponsor to MAC OS. 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Was the son of one of the men portrayed in the film while the allegations were made by two half sisters none of that has anything to do with the film which appears to be part of the issue. The Hollywood reporter says two of the former e e PS stepmothers are asking apple to shelve the film ELM permanently. There said to be upset that the film plays with the real world timeline of events depicted leaving them and the women accusing the man of impropriety propriety. Literally out of the picture. They're also upset that the EP might make money off the film saying he's already been paid for his involvement all of this despite his name being removed from the film as an executive producer. Having looked into all of this apple has decided to press on with the film. I had assumed that they had reached some sort of agreement with the aggrieved parties. Apparently they planned to write it out instead. Doesn't sound like it'll be one hundred percents. John Smooth sailing a couple of weeks ago. I said look for more buzz around Apple. TV plus shows and a couple of weeks. That was because Apple Apple was set to close out the television critics association winter. Press Tour Twenty twenty on Sunday. The nineteenth of January which was yesterday Napa was expected to announce news around upcoming shows and projects and boy did they actually. A couple of bits of news came in Friday with tons more hitting on Sunday. We'll start with some star power apple as issued a press. Release announcing overall deal with Julia. Louis Dreyfuss the award winning star of such shows as Saturday night live Seinfeld. The new adventures of old Christine and veep will develop new projects exclusively for Apple. TV plus according to the release. That's both behind the scenes as executive producer and in front of the camera. Me Drive his his arrival on Apple. TV plazas kind of far off. There is lots more stop coming soon but we already knew that mythic Quest Ravens banquet was set to premiere on the seventh of February. We got more news around it over the weekend I apple insider says apple has released another trailer for the series which centers around the EGO maniacal head of a video game studio revealed on twitter and then published on the Apple. TV Plus Youtube Channel. The piece says the new video is seven seconds long it chiefly introduces us to star and Co Creator Rob mcilhenny in character as Ian Graham the creative director of the Games company while a second season of anything is not a foregone conclusion apple seems to be ordering them fairly quickly and one of its Sunday press releases announced that mythic quest has received another nod. It's been renewed for a second season ahead of its global premier here. According to the company the release says the series joins a list of recently renewed apple original set for a second season including the critically acclaimed little lamerica soon to premiere home before dark and Dickinson See servant and for all mankind. Now one of Apple Apple splashy shows finally has a release date another of the Sunday announcements has apple. Saying when Steven Spielberg's amazing stories reboot will hit the stream. The win is Friday. The sixth of March serving his show runners for the anthropology or Eddie kisses and Adam Horowitz known for their work on the ABC series lost and once upon a time directors. Meanwhile he worked on such series as the mental Est.. Game of thrones sneaky pete the rookie and then some the release as five episodes will premiere on these sixth the March. It's unclear whether those five complete the season next on the release calendar home before dark. Apple's release says this one follows a young girl who moves from Brooklyn to the small lakeside. Down her a father left behind while they're her dogged. Pursuit of the truth leads to unearth a cold case that everyone in town including her own father tried it. Hard to bury apple says the fictional series is inspired by the reporting of young investigative journalist. Hill LISSI AC already picked up for a second second season. The first season premiers on Friday the third of April on Friday the seventeenth of April apple will premiere the animated short film. Here we are notes for living on planet Earth based on a New York Times best seller of the same name. An apple press release from last Friday says says. The film follows a precocious seven year old. Who over the course of Earth Day learns about the wonders of the planet from his parents and from a mysterious exhibit a bit at the aptly titled Museum of Everything? The one off will be narrated by Multiple Academy Award and Golden Globe winner Meryl Errol Streep Their Short film won't be apples. Only streaming premiere on the seventeenth of April yet. Another press release from Apple says the documentary. I series home is set to premiere on the same day. The release says the series offers viewers a never before seen look inside the world's most innovative homes each episode in the nine episode. First Season unveils the boundary pushing imagination of the visionaries who dared to dream and build them. Mm Twenty Fourth April will see the premiere of a show with no second season apple says that is the day the limited series defending Jakub Bob will start streaming. Three episodes dropped that day followed by one a week until it's done if you've not read the book the blurb doesn't say a whole Oh lot the story is said by Apple's press release to unfold around a shocking crime that rocks a small Massachusetts town and follows an assistant district attorney deep who finds himself torn between his sworn duty to uphold justice. And his unconditional love for his son. His Dad's Captain America. Though or was Chris Evans. Michelle dougherty lead the cast one thing apple. TV plus lacks is comedy at least two shows. They're on the way to fill that gap the oft-mentioned mythic quest and the British comedy trying described its releases a comedy series about growing up settling settling down and finding someone to love apples I series from the UK is set to premiere on the first of May last for the announcements cements and rolling into June apple will release the documentary series. Dear dot dot dot the release for this one says. The show takes an inventive antef and cinematic approach to biographies of the most iconic figures in society today by using letters written by those whose lives have been changed through their work figures to be profiled include Oprah Winfrey Gloria Steinem Spike Lee Lin Manuel Miranda big bird and many others others. All ten of the season's episodes will had apple. TV plus on the fifth of June. And finally. Today if you've been holding off on turning on your one year free of Apple TV plus. You probably shouldn't I'm more says the Cupertino Company has started emailing people who bought a qualifying device. But haven't activated the trial to prod them along according to the peace users are receiving emails and notifications certifications if they are eligible for a free year of Apple. TV plus but are yet to sign up. The message tells them that they must take advantage of the free year within ninety days of activating their device. Mac Os can brought to you by me and sponsored by ZAP here the easiest way to automate your work. Try It free for two weeks at Z.. A. AP I E R Zap here dot com slash Mac. Os Cat in the test. Kitchen with me this week week August trumpeter starting off today explaining the encryption back door and what should we call August trumpeter. Find out what I'm talking about. Patriot dot com slash McCoy West can advertising handled by backbeat media online minded backbeat media DOT COM. You can reach me. A couple of ways INFO at McCoy West Ken Dot Com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then that is news from Moco West Ken. I'm Ken Ray Chow.

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Mac OS Ken: 12.19.2019

Mac OS Ken

14:33 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 12.19.2019

"It is Mac. Os Smart Things and strange bedfellows. Digital looks at Apple News plus and my neighbour Totoro can be yours through through I tunes. It's Thursday the nineteenth of December twenty nineteen. I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from McCoy. Oh West Ken brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by fix at Tis the season for tools at I fix it. Save ten dollars on your purchase. A fifty dollars or more at Adt dot com slash. Moco West can. This show is also supported by people like you you patrons through Patriot on find out more in that your support at Patriot Fan dot com slash Mac co West cap and interesting assemblage announced mid week apple issued a statement on Wednesday announcing connected home over Ip while stubbornly refusing to call it chip according to the release Amazon Apple. Google and these be alliance Wednesday. They announced a new working group. That plans to develop and promote the adoption of new royalty free connectivity standard to increase compatibility among smart home home products with security as a fundamental design. Tenet the name in there you might not know is zig alliance. Apparently it's already it's own own interesting. Assemblage representing smart plays by such companies as Kia and XP semiconductors Samsung Smart. Things signify which which used to be Philips lighting and the list goes on their release says the goal of the connected home over. Ip Project is to simplify development for manufacturers jurors and increased compatibility for consumers. If this goes the way the company say they would like eventually the smart toaster you get from bed bath and beyond will work work with Amazon's Alexa Apple. Siri Google assistant and other virtual assistance out there. The idea of a privacy minded apple working with Amazon and Google on smart devices kind of weirds me out maybe apple will make them more privacy minded. I'm reminded of it. They might be giants lyric though when he's underwater. Does he get wet or does the water get him instead. Cool for compatibility though. Now we'll see how it goes. House Apple News plus working out for publishers yet seems it depend upon which publishers you ask. Digitally has run a report under the headline nine months in Apple. News plus isn't wowing publishers. Publishers there's a problem with the report though. An unnamed publisher with whom the site spoke seems particularly unhappy while others mentioned in the piece east by name or somewhere between tepid and genuinely excited about being on the platform one recurring theme. Publishers are happy the have more is on their content and are likely to stay as a result of course the piece points out that they'd like more readers and more money but you know who wouldn't the. CEO OF CONDE NAST says the jury is out the chief content and creative officer of essence says she and hers are encouraged. That is perhaps not the silver bullet for which publishers had hoped. But it's not a repeat of new stand either at least not yet news of a pretty amazing swindle involving iphones and Foxconn. The website for Taiwan News says the contract. DOC manufacturer is investigating alleged fraud in which employees sold iphones with defective components. According to the report the Taiwanese businessman has reportedly worked with a group of management staff at Fox Cons Zhangzhou Facility to obtain and assemble flawed iphone. Parts parts which are then sold under the guise of iphone products manufactured. The Chinese production base the defective components were supposed to be destroyed according the report instead the scammers and schemers ran a three year. side-hustle reportedly making forty three million dollars. US All oh Foxconn says it is investigating the issue and it's taken steps to keep this from happening again. The company declined to say which specific products and client and may have been affected. Chinese developers can now enter Apple's developer program through the company's developer APP apple and Cider says Apple on Tuesday updated its new apple developer APP to support developer program enrollment for coders based in mainland China offering offering the feature as an APP based renewable subscription for the first time the fourth of Australia's Big Four banks has folded on Apple Apple. Pay macrumors says WESTPAC announced Wednesday that it will add support for apple's contactless payment solution by June twenty twenty. That's for the main WESTPAC brand. The report indicates that the sub brands Saint George Bank Essay and Bank of Melbourne already. Hab Apple pay access assuming those customers have eligible visa credit or debit card. Most of Australia's big four did not come along quietly Lee Westpac National Australia Bank and Commonwealth Bank of Australia sought permission for collective bargaining before supporting apple. Pay When that that was denied. There was a bit like slow. Domino's Commonwealth supported apple pay since January twenty nineteen and a b. came along in May by the fourth. Big Bank said has supported apple pay since its launch in Australia. According to the report more news in a moment but first a word from I fix it making it easy to repair your apple products. Your self things break a lot of times we leave those things. Broken work around. Cracked screens are limp along with dying batteries. Because I don't know we don't WanNa pay the high cost of repair. We don't know how to do it ourselves. 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That's ten dollars off your next purchase of fifty dollars were more at affects at dot com slash Mecca West. Ken and a big thanks to fix it for sponsoring this week's show. It was seen as kind of coup when the Japanese Animation House Studio Ghibli agreed to offer its wears. There's on HBO Max for years. The company has issued streaming for Blue Ray DVD and the big screen. That's made such titles as my neighbour Abor Totoro princess-mononoke spirited away and others harder than they might have been to see ahead of HBO. Max there is is another avenue for digital I. Lounge says a number of studio Ghibli films are now available on Itunes. That number is twenty. Ah coincidentally that's also the price of each one though. There is a six film bundle for one hundred bucks a savings of twenty dollars. If they're the films you want it costs to rent them is zero dollars. That's not to say they're free to rent. Rather they are not available to rent. You can buy them. You can turn to physical media you can wait for. Hbo Max or You cannot watch them. There are many options. I tuned and is now one apple. TV plus supporting one of its kids shows with a pop up another piece from I lounge says the company has set up a display display in the Chelsea section of Manhattan promoting. It's live action. Puppet driven show help stirs the P.. Says the pop up doesn't have apple branding thing other than a small icon that says watch on Apple. TV on the window the features the show's characters and has a tagline that says for problems uh-huh big or small. We're here to help solve them. Problem solving is what the show is about. And its description of the show. Apple says whether it's planning a party climbing mountain or mastering a magic trick. The hopes to configure anything out because everything starts with a plan. And I'm not sure what problem the pop-up solves then again. We're talking about help stirs for the first time since apple. TV plus launched. So I guess the pop up plan succeeded. How much content is coming to apple? TV plus so much that. I forgot about this one. I download blog says the streamers comedy series mythic Quest Raven's banquet has set a date for debut spearheaded by the creatives CBS behind. It's always sunny in Philadelphia and produced in cooperation with the video game maker. ubisoft I download blog says the show will work as a mockumentary. Sorry showing the behind the scenes events of the video game studio as it brings the first expansion ravens banquet to its popular video game. mythic Nick Quest Always on these rob mcilhenny will star. He'll be joined by F Murray Abraham Danny Pootie Jesse. Ns and the list just goes on like little America and Dickinson the P. says all nine of the half hour episodes will drop it once. mythic quest best ravens banquet will hit apple. TV plus on the seventh of February twenty twenty and finally. Today as soon as you've you've done ringing in the New Year Your Apple Watch wants you to get off your butt an up for a workout. Nine to five Mac says after giving it a year off the Apple Watch ring in the New Year activity challenges coming back as in years past the P. says for this challenge Apple Watch users can unlock a special award and the activity APP and unique stickers for I message and facetime after completing a specific goal. Close all three activity rings for seven days in a row. Now you do not have to sweat through your New Year's Day hangover at least no more than you might do to the average hangover sweat that it's any seven days straight between the first of January and the thirty first of January as long as they can before the month does the ring in the New Year Challenge Marquesa Return Apple Watch issue the challenge in two thousand seventeen and eighteen though it gave twenty nineteen arrest for some reason then nine to five Mac says Apple Watch users can expect on alert about the twenty twenty challenge before the end of Twenty nineteen a quick note. Note before we go. If you are a checklist listener we had a bit of a scheduling conflict. This week checklist number one sixty eight. It only feels it's like a recap should be in the feed this afternoon. Sorry for the delay. Meanwhile if you are not a checklist listener. Golly I wish you were search for the checklist by secure Mac. Wherever you get podcasts mcco West can brought to you by me and sponsored by? I fix it. Save ten dollars on your purchase of fifty dollars or more at exit dot com slash. Moco West can. This show was also supported by people. Like you new patrons through patron find out more in that your support that Patriot dot com slash Mac. Os Cam Advertising handled by backbeat media online backbeat media DOT COM. You can reach me. A couple of ways INFO at McCoy Wisconsin DOT COM or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then that is news from Monaco West Ken. I'm Ken Ray Chow.

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Mac OS Ken: 06.07.2021

Mac OS Ken

18:30 min | Last month

Mac OS Ken: 06.07.2021

"Mac os ken. Coleman nineteen and the taiwanese supply chain what we might see at www see and a sci-fi epic from cw longbottom. It is monday the seventh of june twenty twenty one. I'm ken ray. And this is news from moco west. Ken brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by the business. Movers podcast from one degree. Catch up now on business. Movers season five. The enlightenment ab- steve jobs. This was also supported by people. Like you patrons through patriae on find out more in that your support at on dot com slash. Nocco west cab here in the states. We keep talking about things getting back to normal after wrestling for over a year with covid nineteen while we may be able to go to restaurants or movies. Even the world is not getting back to normal. Nikkei ran a piece over the weekend covering yet. Another disruption in the global supply chain due to covid nineteen according to that qingyuan electrtonics taiwan identified by nikkei as the world's leading chip testing service provider shutdown. Two of its plans over the weekend. You may wonder why shutting down testing site of which most of us have never heard leads to a disruption. I found an unrelated news release from samsung. That explains the packaging and testing process for semiconductors according to that release some conductor packaging involves enclosing integrated circuits and a form factor that can fit into a specific device. Those squares uc with fourteen or m one etched on them. That would be the package. If i'm reading. The release correctly wants the packaging. Process is complete. Samsung says the company has to determine if the package works properly. So it's time to move to the last stage. The package test in which the package semiconductor goes through the final quality assurance procedures. Now of internet sleuthing leads to understand that that is what king you electron. Ix does and what it had to stop doing it to. Its plans over the weekend. Who can't take a weekend off king. Un electrtonics it seems not when the globe is running short on semiconductors. According to the nikkei piece qingyuan electronics production suspension could aggravate the global chip shortage. Which is already hit a swath of players from automobile makers to consumer electronics giants media attack. The world's leading mobile app developer and rival of qualcomm set on friday evening that the temporary suspension at king. Un will affect the company's revenue and june adding that it is in close communication with testing supplier in hopes of minimizing. The impact media attack is in apple supply chain though not in a way that will affect most apple fans they supply components for beats headphones through a partnership that began just a few months ago. Bigger picture though. The story illustrates how tight the whole semiconductor shortage is media. Attack is in close communication with qingyuan electron ix and hopes of minimizing the impact of king. Un being down for forty eight hours. That is how tight. This whole thing is also fingers crossed. It's only forty eight hours. According k qingyuan electronics confirmed that seventy-seven employees including seventy three migrant workers mostly from the philippines have contracted the coronavirus at its biggest manufacturing site as friday. The number could rise as the company is testing. All it's seventy three hundred employees with government help and still you may wonder why we're addressing this here because crazy thing about covid nineteen. It tends to spread apple chip supplier. Tsmc has factories in taiwan. That's what the tea in. Tsmc stands for mac book maker quantum computer ipad maker compal electronics iphone supplier petron. They have all reported cases of covid nineteen so far says nikkei. These cases have not affected production that these companies which are all running at full capacity to address unprecedented global demand. That said at least one apple supplier worries that that can't last. They told me if the majority of the population and taiwan do not receive covid vaccine soon. If you're it is only a matter of time. Until more and more companies will be forced to halt production due to the spread of the virus says only about half a million of taiwan's twenty three and a half million. People have gotten their first dose of the vaccine. There is help on the way though. A piece published sunday on apple insider had a group of us senators visiting taipei pledging seven. Hundred fifty thousand doses of covid nineteen vaccine. Japan has pledged one point two four million as well at both countries making a divot in the need if not actual dent so today is the thing the kickoff of worldwide developers conference twenty twenty one. There is little point in lots of speculation since the whole thing starts and ten hours or less based on. When you hear this still it is. The event of the day might as well go over some expectations. One might expect apple to mention how many devices are running the latest versions of a couple of operating systems for ios. It is eighty five percent of all active phones and ninety percent of all iphone made in the last four years. macrumors had apple posting those numbers to its developer. Page on friday. Now perhaps speaking to how much longer ipads linger the spread is greater for apple's tablet while ninety one percent of ipads made in the last four years are running ipod o. s. fourteen only seventy nine percent of all active ipads do so as with iphones. The piece points out ipads in the all devices. Category may not be able to run ipad. os fourteen. I know there are at least two in this house. That can't make that jump and my comment about how much longer ipads linger expect. Some of the usual from the google patino company. Today that's how it comes to be called the usual. I told you last week of wedbush analyst. Daniel lives assertion that user's privacy and security will be central themes that expectation was reiterated and a piece on friday from investor's business daily that same piece points to big changes expected for the cupertino companies messages op. While a piece from bloomberg's has anticipated changes might make the messages app more of a social network a note from loup ventures makes it sound like it has already that thing referring messages as a super app and one of the most powerful elements of the apple ecosystem the loup ventures note says over the past few years we've observed. A message is increasingly being used as a combination of whatsapp slack and van moe thanks to the previous two major updates that brought more personalization and organization to individual group chats along with the ability for peer to peer payments with apple cash. Despite the heap of praise the firm still expects changes for messages. Perhaps the least surprising expectation comes from c. Net apple spent the last year under attack says a pre. Ww dc headline the headline goes on to predict. It'll use ww dc to rally the troops g think apple music may flip the switch on spatial audio. Today sorta strange to double up on events or triple up. If you count this afternoon's platform state of the union and yet apple appears to be doing just that according to a number of sites including call to mac apple music is streaming a presentation called introducing spatial audio. Today that'll stream at three pm eastern noon pacific likely just minutes past the end of the wwe dc keynote describing the tag in the past bp apple music and beads. Oliver schuster said listening to a song and dobie at most like magic. The music comes from all around. You and sounds incredible. Sounds like it sounds cool. Not every track and apple music will support it though but thousands will according to the company more on that later today one last prediction for the day. Sort of greatest hit at this point. Macrumors has another analyst calling for a mac book of some sort powered by apple silica on friday morgan stanley analyst. Katie huber d issued a note to clients laying out her case in the last twelve. Months wrote hubert. He introduced not only new max macbook air macbook pro thirteen inch and mac mini with the m one but also a high end twelve point nine inch ipad pro with the m one chip. We expect this momentum to continue and the wwe dc twenty twenty one and based on our checks we believe. It's likely apple. Launches a new mac book featuring in. House designed silicon. That's possible that what's introduced will be an m. to a follow on to the apple silicon chip so far if so she thinks shipments will start in the second half of the year. Of course that starts in about three weeks so they can pretty much say any time. This will be my last chance to remind you so please let me remind you the wwe dc. Keynote is today monday. The seventh of june at ten. Am pacific one pm eastern corresponding times and other corners of the globe. You can catch it on youtube. You can catch it on apple site. You can catch it as a podcast later and of course we will likely be talking about it or aspects of it for the rest of this week. More news in a moment but first word from the business. Movers podcast from wondering ten years ago. The last time steve jobs address w. wdc was ten years ago that makes now a fitting time to check out the new season of business. Movers taking a look. This season at the legendary and controversial career of steve jobs. We know the story is about his parents garage. We know about how he changed the world with the iphone but points on the timeline. Don't really tell a story for that. There's the enlightenment of steve. Jobs season five of the business. Movers podcast from one day. I like the style of what i've heard. So far it's not just a recitation of facts. The enlightenment of steve jobs tells the story of jobs trajectory from the headstrong thirty year old chased out of the company. He co founded to an executive ready to pull apple back from the brink too good storytelling and you can hear it. Now listen to business movers. The enlightenment of steve jobs on apple podcasts amazon music or you can listen one week early and add free by joining wondering plus in the wondering app. Wonder feel the story. Let us end the day as we often do with news of apple tv. Plus apples peanuts partnership keeps paying off. The mac observer has word of a new documentary and a promo to go along with it. Who are you charlie. Brown will celebrate. Charlie brown snoopy and all the peanuts gang along with the group's creator. Charles m schultz. Don't make her sat down with a number of celebrities. Doc over schultz work including drew barrymore. I'll roker billie jean. King ira glass. And a host of others. Schultz's widow. Jean is also featured along with footage of the artist himself to various stages of his career. The peanuts partnership isn't the only one bearing fruit. The film was produced by imagine documentaries. That's the ron howard. Brian grazer imprint. With which apple did a deal and early twentieth. Nineteen who are you. Charlie brown hits apple tv plus on friday the twenty fifth of june between now and then he can catch a trailer for the doc on youtube. Well the character. Ted lasso may never quit. Work does sometimes take a break. I'm morris says filming on season. Two of the surprise comedy hit has wrapped as the site points out that is cutting it pretty close season. Two of ted lasso is set to premiere on apple tv plus on the twenty third of june and now the races on between watching ted lasso and having merged aware while watching ted lasso. Showrunner runner bill lawrence says gear should make it viewers by the time season. Two premiers nine to five. Mac had lawrence appearing last week on the podcast. Fake doctors. real friends that podcast features actors from the early two thousands comedy scrubs which lawrence also produced talking of ted lasso. Merch learned said initial stuff will go on sale in mid to late june. If you're looking for a team jersey though that'll be a bit longer. Lawrence said premier league official name kits will come out in september. According to the report. I will say t public some really horrible third party. Ted lasso t shirts and the couple of really great ones. I have one of the great ones because he s. I am that kind of fan. Go richmond. I like my ted lassos shirt because it puts me in universe things like that. Make me super excited. Which is why. I am super excited to tell you about a couple of freebies from the cupertino company if you saw. This weekend's mythic quest you know the heartbreaking tale of the cw longbottom novella tears of the narain. Well of course they have written the novella and produced an audio book to go along with it narrative by show creator rob mcilhenny. Ncw longbottom himself. F. murray abraham a piece from apple insider says both the audio book and the novella are free. they're both available now through apple books. But that's not all. I'm not sure how people are supposed to find out about things like these but tears of the on. Iran is just the latest m q tien let loose by creators earlier this season according to the same apple insider piece show creator shared the pitch deck for grouchy goat available as a keynote presentation of course and last year they released a browser based version of dark quiet death. That is the video game at the center of one of the greatest half hours of television. I've seen in years at the very least if you've let mythic quest in the your world they are letting you and there's fingers crossed for more of the same mac. Os can brought to you by me and sponsored by the business. Movers podcast from wondering catch business. Movers season five. The enlightenment of steve jobs on apple podcasts amazon music or listen to a week early and add free through one. Three plus in the wondering. This show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriot. Find out more in that. Your support at patriotair dot com slash. Mac os cab. Advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media dot com. You can reach me. A couple of ways info at monaco west. Ken dot com or call. Seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. Enjoy the keynote. Everybody will talk about our tomorrow until next time. That is news from mac west ken. I'm ken rage jaw.

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Mac OS Ken: 03.19.2019

Mac OS Ken

20:58 min | 2 years ago

Mac OS Ken: 03.19.2019

"Yeah. This is MAC OS, Ken. One happened yesterday and what will happen a week from yesterday. It's Tuesday the nineteenth of March twenty nineteen. I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from MAC OS can brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by squarespace. Get done percent off your first purchase of a website or domain with coupon code Moco, west Ken at squarespace dot com slash MAC. OS? Can this show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriot? Find out more in that your support at patriotic dot com slash MAC. OS cat. With numerous ipads, turning up in regulatory filings. And with a media event scheduled for next Monday. There were two commonly accepted possibilities either. Apple would update ipods with the press release girl large portion of the Showtime event expected to be centered around various services would be given over to the hardware as you likely know apple opted for the former throw a rocket nobble site. And you'll hear word of new ipads will cast our stone at tech crunch to start. Apple is finally updating the ipad many and adding a new ipad air, according to the piece of the air. The P says this model sits between the entry level nine point seven and jibe pad and the eleven inch ipad pro in the lineup. The air sports eight ten point five inch display without a noticeably. Bigger foot friends, though, you may notice when you try to reuse cases, more on that in the beds the. New air and the new many share some similarities both now featured the a twelve processor at the same processor found in the iphone ten s making it pretty zippy though. Not quite as it be the eleven inch ipad pro with its eight twelve x processor. Both also support the first generation apple pencil. Neither supports face ide- keeping touch ID around for another round. Of course, that means neither support and emoji and some of the funkier filters and clips both retain the three point five millimeter headphone, Jack though, so that's something diving into the differences tech crunch says of ipad, many, it looks dental the previous twenty fifteen model at least as far as dimensions. Go that said at seven point nine inch display as twenty five percent, brighter shows a wider range of colors and works with true tone as for the bigger machine while it's called pad air. Tech crunch said you could more easily consider it a replacement for the ten point five bench. I pad pro because. Oh, yeah. That's gone now. Well, it's gone from apple site and apple stores cult amac's. As apple has pulled the big little pro out of the line up, though it still available from third party sellers. Not surprisingly a lot of those sellers have the 2017 machine on sale right now. If you're considering these still available though, discontinued pro versus the new air macrumors has decent compound. Contrast, a big differentiator for some guy pad pro has four stereo speakers. While the new ipad air has but to the new air will be faster sporting, the aforementioned eight twelve processor twenty seventeen ten point five inch pro lags back with the ten x processor. The piece goes on to point out ipad air has gigabit class LT versus the ten point five. Bench. I pad pros theoretically slower LT advance support. The new ipad air also gets a bump to bluetooth five point zero versus bluetooth four point two out of the box for the ten point five inch ipad pro then again may be comparing the discontinued old to the brand spanking new is silly the more realistic comparison might be the twenty nineteen ipad air to the year old and still available nine point seven inch. I Pat for that we turn the eye more which really makes it seem like a question of cost ipad air starts at four hundred ninety nine dollars. While last year's ipad still starts at three twenty nine with the larger price tag. You. Also, get a larger display a faster processor higher starting storage capacity. Sixty four gigabytes per Pat air versus thirty two for ipad and a better front camera. Seven mega pixels for ipad air versus one point two. Two for ipad. I bad air. Also has true tone display ipad does not and they smart connector also missing for my pad taking in the air. I'm more says the new ipad air is a great choice of you're looking for an affordable, ipad, the larger screen means. You can see more at once the aid twelve biotic chip gives you faster processing speeds and its predecessor and the true tone display equates to color, accuracy, and ambient light. This Mark connector also lets you use excess re's like the smart keyboard and having larger storage capacity is always a plus the piece points out that it doesn't have face ide-. It also points out that it only supports the first Jadan apple pencil leaving double tap gestures and increased pressure sensitive to ipad pro summing up twenty eight teens ipad. I'm more says if you're on a budget, the nine point seven inch ipad is still a decent option. The. The screen is not too small or too large supports the first generation apple pencil, and the eight ten fusion chip is plenty capable of everyday tasks, whatever you go for assuming you go for any ipad. You wanna consider apple care? Plus good news on this front. Macrumors says it won't cost more to cover the new ipad air than it does to cover last year's nine point seven inch ipad, it sixty nine dollars for either mull coverage for I had pro still runs buyers one hundred twenty nine dollars the piece points out apple will charge a fee of two hundred forty nine dollars for accidental damage to the new ipad air without apple care. Plus, so as with most forms of insurance the plan can pay for itself if ever used of course, it'll feel like a waste of it's never used as with most forms of insurance. The peace says apple care, plus must be added within sixty. As of purchasing a device though for the first time it'll cover more than just the chosen. I Pat yet another piece from macrumors says apple care plus for ipad. Now covers apple pencil, even if the pencil wasn't purchased at the same time as the ipad the way the site explains it this means of the customer has apple care. Plus for ipad coverage now extends to any first generation or second generation apple pencil the person may own even purchased separately apple care plus for ipod covers up to incidents of accidental damage to the apple pencil each subject to a fee of twenty nine dollars, plus tax that said the clock started. When it started the coverage runs two years from the day apple care plus coverage began so if you bought your ipad with apple care plus and twenty nineteen and your apple pencil and twenty twenty coverage for both the ipad and the pencil would end in twenty twenty one. One apple care. Plus must be added within sixty days of purchasing an eye. Paddock waiting to the report. But when the apple pencil was purchased does not appear to matter. Now, if you want your kid to have the fun and usefulness of a stylus without the expense and delicacy of apple pencil. You'll be glad to know that Logitech crayons dilates works with the new ipad air, and I Pat many crayon was lodged last year at Apple's education Aban as an education only device though sales were eventually opened the general public in a piece on crayons compatibility with new ipads. Apple insider says the crayon shares some features of the pencil such as automatic connection palm rejection and pressure sensitivity. It's main feature though is its price sixty nine dollars and ninety five cents almost thirty dollars less than the first generation pencil and over fifty nine dollars less than these second gen model bladder is intended for ipad pros, only missing from the crayon, according to the peace or tilt functioned or the ability to tap it side for selecting different modes. It's also. Not compatible with any of the ipad pro models. I said earlier that you might not notice the difference in size between an old ipad air and the new one until you try to put the new one in an old ipad airs case another piece from apple and cider says old cases won't fit. The new ipad, mini and I Pat air without compromises though. That sounds like a bigger problem for the bigger machines. According to the report new ipad mini should Vinduer case. Brin ipad, many four though not for earlier, I pad many units, but the piece points out, it seems the newer version has slightly larger volume buttons, which may be an issue for some types of casing. However, that's not the only concern quoting the report, the rear microphone is also a problem as well. It is located near the camera on the ipad, many four it has shifted to the top middle of the case for the ipad, many five enterprising users may wanna punch a small hole in the right place of their ipad, many Ford's case to not. Cover up the microphone when used on the ipad mini five. Meanwhile, the peace says a case for an old ipad air will be annot go for the new one. But a case for the discontinued ten point five inch ipad pro Shuping, great for the new air. There seems to be only one real difference worth knowing about according to the piece the ipad air, only has stereo speakers and not the quad speaker setup of the pro model, but this shouldn't be a problem as it would mean more openings in the case than one made for the air. Of course, apple would likely just as soon have you picked up a brand new case for your brand new tablet back to macrumors, which has word of new smart covers for ipad, many, ipad air, and even one for the old twelve point nine inch, ipad pro four colors are available for the two new ipads papaya charcoal grey pink sand and white covers for the many will run. Fires thirty nine dollars while covers for the air will run forty nine as for the pro apple has added a smartphone. Leo in pink sand charcoal grey and white were already out as options new color or old smartphone show for ipad. Pro will run buyers ninety nine box with all the new love for apple pencil. Some of appeals apps are in for a bit of sharpening again with macrumors which says apple announced Monday that pages numbers. And keynote for us will be updated next week with enhanced apple pencil integration. That said to include new animation options in the key note app that let users draw animation path for any object and an all new user interface for implementing build the facts such as move rotate and scale, those obser- free, which means the updates will be too. Now all you need a pencil and the new ipad. Of some sort. Personally, I wondered tonight pad compatible with apple pencil since the first apple pencil came out. There's a good chance that I'll be doodling on a new ipad air soon. But I'm curious about you. Will you be picking up a new ipad air or a new ipad many now that the full line is fairly fresh? Do. The new machines push you toward the nine point seven shy pod. Or the twelve point nine inch ipad pro let me know and the usual ways info at MAC OS candidate com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. More news in a moment. But first word from squarespace your place online. When's the last time you really looked at your site? If it signed Bren update, it's time to give squarespace at try a squarespace site is easy to build you just drag and drop the elements you need into the beautiful templates. They have ready to go. Of course, you'll customize them to make them unique. You don't want your site to look like everybody else's and neither squarespace. Here's what's really cool. They have a two week free trial may not sound like a lot of time. But squarespace makes it so easy that for most people it has more than enough time to build the site. You wanna build try it, even if you already have a site that way, you can see how good your site can be without wrecking the one you've got I did that years ago, and I have been a happy square. Base user ever since. Go to squarespace dot com slash Muko, Wisconsin for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us, the offer code MAC OS candidate ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain. You've got something to show the world show it with squarespace. Use offer code MAC OS candidate ton percent off your first purchase of a website or domain at squarespace dot com slash MAC. West Ken and a big thanks to squarespace for sponsoring this week show. Well, we know we're not seeing new ipads at next week's apple bent. And we know we're not seeing nut flakes either the DVD by mail. Turn streaming giant seems to have spoiled next week's reveal by confirming that it will not be part of Apple's digital video play best apple TV had Netflix. Ceo Reed Hastings saying as much on Monday, quoting the report at a briefing at the company's headquarters in Hollywood Netflix. Ceo Reed Hastings said that while apple is a great company net. Flicks is not interested in being part of a content subscription service. We have chosen not to integrate into their services. He said in the live video monitored by best apple TB. We want to have people watch our shows on our services during a thirty minute QNA with reporters the piece continues Hastings said Netflix will compete with apple and Masan with difficulty. Easy. But that it's ready for a fight. You do your best job when you have great competitors. He said all we have to do to succeed is continued to do great content. The pose the question of competition is still sort of an open one while some thank Oppal will charge for the content. It's producing another analyst has hit with a note saying he thinks apple plans to give away the content. It's making MAC daily news has BT I g analyst Richard greenfield sang of apples video play. We believe the go to market strategy will be the drive consumers globally to use the TV app. Found in their I o s and TV OS devices. We believe all the consumer will need to do is already own or by an apple device iphone ipad or apple TV to have free access to all the content. Apple's video team is creating think about strategy along the lines of prime video the note continues with. Which is available at no extra cost and abundant with Amazon prime two day shipping account apple will provide video content at no extra cost to consumers who own video capable device. Sorry, Android users. We suspect apples TV app will also become available on MAC as IOS and MAC OS become increasingly aligned. As for why oppa would care about people using the TB app. Greenfield things that where the paid subscriptions come in likening it to the Amazon channel strategy. He figures people will come for one of the nine free Reese Witherspoon shows announced and stay and pay for HBO or Showtime or some other premium service or services through the TV app. And finally today a quick trip to the New York Times which socks about the trip. Hollywood is taking the Cupertino next week on the original content front. The gray lady says five series of completed filming around the half dozen more are on the verge of robbing production. According to several people familiar with the shows who are not authorized to speak publicly, and the number of original productions is expected to increase in twenty twenty a lot of the rest of the pieces stuff. We've heard. Four that Apple's skewing family friendly and its content that the company has more secretive than Hollywood tends to be and that it has in the words of Barton things. Ben Geisler taken interest and the projects it's bankrolling. The fun news is the list of titles. That's either close to ready or seriously ready to go. According to New York Times, are you sleeping a mystery. Starring tibia Spencer has been a shooting for all mankind. A Ron all Demore scifi series has finished shooting. A new thriller from the six cents creator m night. Shamlan has finished shooting the comedy from the it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Oh, rob mcilhenny and Charlie day has finished shooting and Dickinson comedy about poet. Emily Dickinson has been issued ING the still untitled series with Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston should be. Finish soon. The reboot of amazing stories should be finished soon. See with aqua- man star. Jason momoa is now shooting little America from the writers of the big sick is now shooting central park, a Khartoum us the goal should be finished in the next few months and the reality documentary series home should be finished in the next few months. And we haven't even gotten to Oprah yet. Next week's events should be interesting. Maybe we could watch it under new, ipads. Mac OS can brought to you by me and sponsored by squarespace. Get ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain with coupon code Moco, west can at squarespace dot com slash MAC. OS? Can't this show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriotic. Find out more in that your support that patriot dot com slash MAC. OS can advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media dot com. You can reach me a couple of ways info at Monaco, west Ken dot com or call seven one six seventy zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then that is news from MAC OS, Ken. I'm Ken Ray. He's taking interest. What they just say to him. I didn't say anything. He's taking interest.

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Mac OS Ken: 12.18.2020

Mac OS Ken

20:59 min | 7 months ago

Mac OS Ken: 12.18.2020

"In an mac os. ken bullish. No on iphone stories from the software side and a week's worth of apple tv plus news. It's friday the eighteenth of december twenty twenty. I'm ken ray. And this is news from moco west. Ken brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by head space. Meditation made simple get a free one-month trial that head space dot com slash moco west ken. This show was also sponsored by mac. Pau makers clean. My mac axe your mac as good as new clean my mac xs all in one cleaning and optimizing software for your mac. It d- cutters your mac and runs maintenance cribs to keep your max performance at its peak. One of its smartest features is smart scan. Smarts can examined your mac for system log files and user cash. that really has no use. i have freed up gigabytes and gigabytes from my mac with clean. my mac axe. No wonder how much you'll free app. Venturebeat i'm more. I download bog. Clean my mac axes. Well reviewed by all of cult of mac says maintaining a healthy. Mac doesn't have to be hard clean. My mac axe offers all the tools you need to ensure your machine is always speedy and safe learn more about clean my max and download it for free at mac. Pau dot asp slash. Moco west can. That's m. a. c. p. a. w. mag pond dot app slash meko west. Can that's par dot at slash mecca. West ken for clean my mac eggs and a big thanks to mac. Pau for sponsoring. Today's show more positive words on iphone sales. Philip elmer twits apples. Readout dot o. Had a couple of notes of note the first one from morgan stanley analyst. Katie huber d has her seeing surprising demand for iphone in china with stable builds positive supply chain data and extended iphone twelve. Lead times says. Her firm is increasingly bullish. She and hers are hearing the same stuff that we've been hearing from other analysts all week while smartphone sales in the middle kingdom have mostly sucked win. This quarter. puberty says iphone units. Were up double digits for october and november versus those two months a year ago. That's driving a period of smartphone. Installed base share gains not seen in china since mid twenty nineteen in hubertus estimate. Morgan stanley has an overweight rating on apple. Shares huber price target on the shares is one hundred forty four dollars. They've it sounds like a super cycle. You know wedbush analyst daniel. Ives will have a comment apple. Three ot has part of that note saying while the street is forecasting roughly two hundred fifteen million iphone units for fiscal year. Twenty twenty one. We believe based on the current trajectory and the bull case cupertino has potential to sell north. Two hundred forty million units. Two hundred fifty million could be in the cards age. I'm dropping figure which would easily eclipsed the previous apple record of two hundred thirty one million units sold in fiscal year. Two thousand fifteen importantly he continues with our estimation that three hundred fifty million of nine hundred fifty million iphones worldwide are currently in the window of an upgrade opportunity. We believe this will translate into an unprecedented upgrade cycle for apple with a major santa claus boom already underway for cooking company. I saw elmer to give the world. Group wants for treating is bowl cases like stated targets kind of hard to blame him though when he writes his bull case is his expected scenario. Anyway i am says outperform rating on apple shares. His price target on the shares is one hundred sixty bucks. Another party heard from around last week's riots at a plant in india. You probably remember the step. So far workers as a western owned iphone factory. In india. Rioted over disparities between mondays. Promised and wages actually paid out suspended operations at the plant and send a team to investigate. Wistron downplayed the amount of damage caused in the riots. Saying it was around seven million dollars. Us not the fifty million plus that had initially been reported and find the group manufacturers in india side and with basically apologizing to the guest company for the behavior of indian workers. Well not in. India is on western side. The piece for my more says an indian trade union has said the state government turned a blind eye to labor violations and that workers had not been paid properly for four months. That piece cites a report from thomson reuters. That had the trade unions. Slamming the local government for failing to take stern action against iphone assembler wisden and accusing authorities of targeting. The company's contract workers after the riot the national secretary for the all india central council of trade union says the state government is going extremely soft on the company and turning a blind eye to all the violations at the facility. Meanwhile no word on what if anything. Apples investigation has turned up. Ios fourteen is a runaway. Hit compared to i o s thirteen that seems to be the tail and the numbers. The away apple must have apple posting adoption rates for its mobile operating systems earlier this week. According to those ios fourteen is running on eighty one percent of iphones introduced in the last four years and on seventy two percent of all active iphones that crushes ios thirteen adoption a similar timeframe just over a year ago. Ios thirteen was installed on fifty five percent of iphones. That were four years old or less and only have all active. Iphones out there. Work on the next round of updates seems to be moving at a breakneck speed. The week started with updates for nearly everything apple makes mid week. The company seated around of developer betas for future updates. Now the week ends with the holy poloi getting in on the act. Macrumors couple of pieces thursday one announcing the first public beta of eleven to and the other heralding the first public betas of ios and pano s fourteen dot four. So far there is nothing new known about the mac. Os update though. There isn't interesting feature in the irs beta according to the peace fourteen dot four will access the you one chip and homepods. Many to make handoff more simple. The way macrumors describes it when an iphone is near the homepod mini and begins a soft haptic touch rhythm that gets faster and faster as the iphone gets closer until the interface to transfer a song between the home pod. Many and the iphone opens. This functionality will make handoff quicker and more reliable on a homepod mini an iphone. eleven or iphone twelve. The bees continues all of which are equipped with you one chips. They'll at the devices better understand where they are in relation to one another. Alice stopped providing standalone updates and macos big sur. That's the word from apple insider by understand it and there is no guarantee that i do sounds like it could be kind of a pain for decades. The peace says apple has offered users the ability to download standalone smaller update files without needing download full. Os install image with big sur. It sounds like wanting to update one. Small thing will mean having to update everything if i understand it and there's no guarantee that i do apple. Maps has added a few more cities to its look around feature sort of apple's entered google street view download blog says if you live in the city that has street imagery available invoking. Look around will let you pan. High resolution street photos three hundred sixty degrees and moved through the streets with smooth transitions as of this week. If you live in denver detroit fort lauderdale or miami. You live in city that has street imagery available for new cities brings the total number of around locations to just over twenty including several in the us one in ireland. One in scotland one in england and three and japan an odd in the epic fight against apple. Then told you yesterday that the fortnight publisher apple senior. Vp of software engineering. Craig federici and senior. Vp internet software and services. Eddy the stuff q. Be deposed in the case between the two companies. Well they can't have cue but they can have coke. Macrumors says the judge hearing the requests is ruled. That apple ceo. Tim cook and software engineering. Chief craig federica will be summoned to testify in the ongoing apple versus epic legal battle. Hey here's a total shocker. Facebook is weighed in on the epic apple battle. And you'll never guess of course you will. It's epic according to a piece from call to mac. Facebook is supporting ford night maker games. And its lawsuit against apple. According to steve satterfield. A director privacy and public policy at facebook. The social network company thinks that it is really important that the court understand far reaching impact of apple's unfair policies crazy right facebook has a director of privacy more news in a moment but first a word from head space. Meditation made simple. Life can be stressful even than normal circumstances and twenty twenty has been well abnormal. Let's say plus now we got the holidays to what you need stress. That goes beyond quick fixes. That's head space pen spaces your daily dose of mindfulness in the form of guided meditations in easy to use app from morning meditations to wind down sessions to help you sleep two three minute. Sos sessions to deal with particularly troubling moments head spaces backed by twenty five published studies on it benefits. Six hundred thousand five star reviews and over sixty million downloads pass. Meditation absent made me feel silly head. Space is made me feel better. You deserve to feel happier and head. Space as meditation made simple go ahead space dot com slash mac west can that's head space dot com slash. Mac os ken for a free. One-month trial with access to head spaces full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal offered right now. Had the head space dot com slash. Mecca west ken today. And thanks to head. Space for sponsoring. Today's show there has been a lot of apple tv plus news this week all pushed ahead for other news. Our news here now. Is that lot two things you never want to see. Made our laws and sausages goes the quote however in hashtag these uncertain times. We may want to add favourite. Tv shows to that list. I love the apple. Tv plus series mythic quest ravens banquet. And i am heartbroken by the news coming from the production. Long piece from variety staff on the show pushing back against producers after two separate outbreaks of cove nineteen on the set after the second outbreak. A couple of weeks ago. Show creator and star rob mcilhenny. Send a message to staff. Saying for his alarming. This sounds we have been expecting this for weeks. The numbers in the county are spiking and consequently our numbers are doing the same but to date there remains zero evidence of any transmission that work our set continues to be one of the safest places you can be. Outside of your home's an anonymous member of the crew responded that's horse expletive deleted. Utter horse expletive deleted quoting variety. The crew member said he was in close contact with other workers who also tested positive at the same time. The production was shooting at the cbs radford lot in studio city which has become a cova hotbed with three other outbreaks reported in the last month. The company hired oversee cova protocols on the production says the show operated in full compliance with extensive health and safety protocols in place lionsgate. The show's producer also backed the show. Still at least a couple of crew members. Say it wasn't squeaky clean with one saying they started in full compliance but eventually slipped into their old way of doing things. Production stopped on season. Two on the fourth of december after eleven days away production resumed wednesday just day before yesterday. The show was in the last week of production when work stopped. Hard to know whether they'll be able to finish anytime soon though. Southern california has zero. Icu beds available. News of two new stars for the apple tv plus series slow horses and a beheshti production schedule as well deadline says the gary oldman lead spy drama has added ready player. Ones libya cooked to the mix. Along with game of thrones regular and brazil lead jonathan pryce as per the hefty production. Schedule the peace production is underway after the. Kobe related stoppage. That stopped pretty much. All production worldwide sources tell deadline that twelve episodes are being filmed which will likely constitute two seasons of drama. Twelve episodes of two seasons not to be so american but twelve episode does not two seasons used to be have a one-season just saying samuel l. jackson set to star in an apple tv plus series. I download blogs as jackson will star in an adaptation of the novel. The last days of ptolemy gray according to the report the limited series will be only six episodes. According to the report limited series will be only six episodes jackson will be taking the leading role as ptolemy gray. A ninety one year old man forgotten by his family by his friends by even himself. A description variety says on the brink of sinking even deeper into a lonely dementia ptolemy experiences a seismic shift when he's given the tremendous opportunity to briefly regain his memories and uses this precious and fleeting lucidity to solve his nephew's death and come to terms with his past. No timeline gibbon for that series season. Two of servant hasn't even started airing yet yet. We know there'll be a season. Three apple issued a press. Release earlier this week. saying that. the spooky m night shyamalan series has been renewed for a third season ahead of its second season. Global premiere on the fifteenth of january. Twenty twenty one for something a bit more chill news of another kid series premiere. Mac daily news says the snoopy show is set to start in about a month and a half apple doesn't seem to have offered much in the way of description for the show. The description for the trailer says the world's most extraordinary beagle as back celebrating seventy years of peanuts. The snoopy show is coming to apple tv. Plus this february mac. Daily news indicates that the show will center on snoopy and woodstock. It'll landon apple stream on friday the fifth of february next year news of a couple of features from apple one a documentary. The other a drama first macrumors says the cupertino streamer has released a trailer for the billie eilish documentary. The world's a little blurry telling the true coming of age story of the singer songwriter and her rise to global superstar numb both the documentary offers. A deeply intimate. Look at this extraordinary teenager's journey at just seventeen years old navigating life on the road on stage and at home with her family. The film is set to premiere on the twenty six february between now and then you can catch the trailer on youtube. And finally today the justin timberlake drama palmer is coming soon to a tv near you. Abbas description of the film says after twelve years in prison former high school football star. Eddie palmer returns home to put his life back together and forms an unlikely bond with sam an outcast boy from a troubled home but that he's past threatens to ruin his new life and family. Jt plays palmer no surprise there. Cult amac says the film wilh apple tv. Plus on the twenty ninth of january. You can of course catch the trailer now on youtube coming up in a few minutes today in iowa west host robb walsh's back to spin the wheel of stuff. Look for that. show and subscribe. Wherever you get podcasts. No live show today. Do you wanna hear me go nuts on facebook's at attacks want to replay yesterday's moco west can live at youtube dot com slash ken ray or subscribing to the audio show mac. Os can live wherever you get podcasts. Mac os can brought to you by me and sponsored by matt pau makers have clean. My mac axe learn more about clean my max and download it for free at my paw dot app slash moco west can. This show is also sponsored. By head space meditation made simple get a free one-month trial head space dot com slash mac. West can advertising handled by backbeat media online. That backbeat media dot com. You can reach me. A couple of ways info at monaco west. Ken dot com or call. Seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero until next time. That is news prom. Nocco west ken. I'm ken ray jaw.

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Rob McElhenney | Obama Called Trump a "Madman," a "Racist, Sexist Pig" and a "Lunatic": A Closer Look

Late Night with Seth Meyers Podcast

23:02 min | 2 months ago

Rob McElhenney | Obama Called Trump a "Madman," a "Racist, Sexist Pig" and a "Lunatic": A Closer Look

"What's going on everybody's. Chemin doug smith alongside we'll lowery welcoming us beyond the fairway golf channels newest weekly podcast. Not only are. We asked me to listen to what we want you to hear us wherever you get your pockets. Children a good blend of the east and the west from the network that brought you shahs of sunset. I've never been the perfect indian girl. Put a ring on it. What is happening. A new kind of culture clashes. Shaw doesn't seem like himself at all. He needs to grow up. She gave me back my ring. Chaos runs in the family coming out. It's terrified we have to test my mom. The shot ninety. There's one thing. I have to tell you about me karma new season june second bravo. Set your dvr now while discussing the ongoing criminal investigation into the trump organization in a new interview former president. Trump's ex personal lawyer. Michael cohen said that trump will flip on everyone including quote. His children said trump alleged children from thirty rockefeller plaza in new york city. Police enjoy this. Podcast edition of late night with seth meyers on today's show steph. Chance with actor. Rob mcelwain from mythic quest on apple tv plus but i closer look prominent. Republicans are continuing to lie violent insurrection. After on january six while others are trying to pretend the last year of donald trump's presidency never happened for more on this. It's time for closer. Look after your isolation it can be difficult to get a firm grasp on time. Quarantine felt like some sort of twilight zone esque black hole. All i remember is i was in my studio with an audience then for a while. I was in an attic with the door. And some wasps. I became best friends of the sea. Captain painting and now i'm back here in a mostly empty studio in somehow last night while you're cue-card guy was my second guessed. Don't think that's going to be every wednesday thing wally. I can't next wednesday. Doing bear son of a bitch anyway. Seems like the calendars going backwards. Everyone's talking about friends and benefactor. And cicadas really feels like a accidentally time travel back to the mid two thousands. Even fox news seems stuck in a time loop as evidenced by this segment from last night. Well i never thought that we'd ever have a president. Started his entire political career in home of not one but two unrepentant domestic terrorists whose group the weather underground bomb. The nypd police headquarters the state department. The us capital of more. I never thought we'd have a president that sat in the pews of radical passing for twenty plus years and i never thought we elected disciple of radical saul alinsky or president bragging about doing drugs with his chew gang and said that even tried drugs enthusiastically. Great message kids all right first of all you sound like a dare commercial from the eighty s. If kids don't remember there was a group that made t shirts for skateboarders to wear. Ironically seriously you're warning about the dangers of them feel like i'm back in middle school pretending to listen to motivational speaker lecturer. About how marijuana fries your brain while. I tie boobs on a calculator for friends see. That's what today's kids are missing. Smartphones more fun calculator tricks. You just send your friends to chestnut emojis. We had to work for. It took years to crack than eight. Zero zero eight five would look like boobs on. A calculator was cracked. Either with the janitor turns out he some kind of genius fox news apparently still obsessing over obama now there are some who think we should stop talking about president trump but in our defense pumpkin still calm leader their parties talking about running in two thousand twenty four in. He's under criminal investigation. Meanwhile most obama's news these days is show biz related. I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up in the friends reunion. No vermont money. They were on a break. But if you're wondering why fox is Rehashing right wing nonsense from thirteen years ago. It's apparently because according to new book. Obama called trump a. Madman a racist sexist that take an a corrupt mother. That's which are outraged about. Johnston called much worse than deservedly. So i feel like even trump's friends would describe that way hallmark makes birthday cards specifically for trump. the basically say the same thing it's from google searches sweetheart. A corrupt sweet I mean seriously. Even the people who worked for trump called him an idiot a moron and a doping before they sold their souls. Guys like marco. Rubio lindsey graham and ted cruz. We're calling them. Xenophobic race baiting bigoted con artist pathological liar jackass. Michael cohen was as fixer. And right hand man and he said pretty much the same in a book and on national television. Although michael collins best burns these days are reserved for rudy. Giuliani son andrew. Who's running for governor of new york and then there's angel andrew. Eric look like a valedictorian of heart. So i mean know. I think if. I'm not mistaken. Andrew even failed trump university to give you an idea of just how stupid he can't believe i'm saying it but i think prison was great for michael. Cohen came out with a new attitude. And a quiver. Full zingers got rid of their baby blue jacket but he's not the only one who seems to be stuck in a time loop yesterday the house. Gop's new pro-trump conference chair at least a phonic. Who replaced liz. Cheney after cheney committed the sin of saying the election was not stolen took to the floor to praise trump's economic record. But see if you can catch what she left out. It's so small you might miss it. Americans across this country are facing crisis after crisis. Just think in just over a year ago in early twenty twenty. Our economy was booming are standing in the world was strong. We had just rebuilt our nation's military and our communities and families were thriving. Here we are a little over one year later in just over one hundred days. President biden and speaker pelosi have dismantled that foundation. Did she just yada yada yada pandemic. Are you people seriously so cynical. You think americans will just forget about entire year which over half a million people died. In the economy suffered a once in a century crashed that included rising poverty and child hunger because our president dot corona virus was one of those ignore until it goes away problems. It's like high cholesterol or as best does these people are desperate to raise the horrors of trump's presidency in habit. An alternate reality where it wasn't a colossal and deeply unpopular failure. And look i get the you wish. Trump's presidency magically ended in the march twenty twenty in the same way. Dexter wishes the show ended in season. Seven but michael c hall. He grew that weird patchy beard. Campy on done. They're trying to erase the pandemic the same way. They're trying to raise the violent insurrection at the capitol in january six. Gop leaders like kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell. They're trying to stop legislation. That would create a bipartisan commission to investigate the right even though it passed the house yesterday with thirty five republican votes in fact wisconsin senator. Ron johnson is so desperate to raise the history of what happened on january six. Then he's still lying about the attack and calling it a mostly peaceful protest even calling insurrection. It wasn't i condemn the breach. I condemn the violence but to say there were thousands of armed insurrectionists breaching the capital intent on overthrowing the government is just simply false narrative by and large it was all was peaceful protests except for there were a number of people based basically agitators that With the crowd and breach capital. We're all watching live. We saw happen. You can't just wave your hand in front of our faces and tell us it didn't happen like you're starring in some new disney. Plus spinoff did i. They're like a bunch of videos that you can watch and see what happened. I really don't want to keep playing them. But apparently i have to. The pro-trump crowd fought with the. This is exactly what was said but in no way. Is this a surprise. It has been fueled by the president's rhetoric we followed the aggrieved inferior trump supporters as. They stormed the building. The cost of that rhetoric is increasingly large. Crowds tonight still swirling around. Congress and america's long journey is a stable. Democracy appears to be genuine downt- again as we said yesterday the british accent really hits home. How serious it was. The rioters have breached the capital and like a curly wurley left out in the sun. The damage can never be undone a now. Stay tuned for an all new episode of kuku starring. Andy sandberg from the film space chimps. Both real. it's telling you that. Republicans are so desperate to erase the last year at trump's presidency as well as the reality what happened at the capitol on january six. They're trying to erase it because they can't defend it and they know the american people overwhelmingly rejected it. These people are so detached from reality. You'd almost think they'd try drugs enthusiastically. It's been closer look streaming only on people who knew comedy about a ninety throwback girls five book again pre everybody sing from your diaphragm which one girls five over all pursuit streaming now only on peacock arcus tonight is a talented writer actor and director. You know his mac on. It's always sunny. Philadelphia's season to video mythic quest is streaming now and apple tv plus with new episodes available on fridays. Lease them back to the show. Malvo anyhow already rob lowe's up. I'm fantastic. i'm missing that mustache actually. I'm missing it as well. I'm very happy to see you but a little disappointed. The didn't income i. I'm going to be honest. i'm a little disappointed myself. Now that i see how glorious it was. This you guys really had to I think you know a lot of Shows a lot of production said to deal with The effect of the pandemic but you had written Obey season worth of scripts that you then had to throw out young yeah. We wrote an entire season of television and then shot the first episode of that season and then we shut down which we thought. Oh shoot that will shut down for a couple days. Then we'll just come back and pick up and then as the weeks went by and we realized well. Let's most likely not going to happen. We realized we had to throw the entire season and and start over but it gave us something to do for a year. You also had one of the most creative one of the best received episodes that were shot during the pandemic must be pleased with how that turned out. Oh yeah yeah yeah we were. I was just so incredibly proud of the entire crew to have shot something From home none of us left left our homes to to shoot that episode into habits as well received as as it was just it was such a boon to the entire show and certainly to the morale of the pro. You you have a wonderful cast on this show and a lot of them. Have a comedy background. But you've also gotten some Actors who know more thorough dramatic chops including anthony hopkins and a lot of people. I guess ask you how that came about. Yeah they can't believe it it blows. It blows their months. I mean i. I can't tell you how often i get field. I get asked this question Where people say with specific tone in their voice whether they're conscious of it or not. They'll say oh. You got anthony hopkins on the show or william hurt is is on the shower. How did you get f. Murray abraham as if as if it's just insane that just because they want an oscar that they would they would come to our show. I'm like well. I'll tell you how we got them. We wrote something pretty good and then we we paid them. And i'm i'm gonna break. I'm gonna break some some news here on my show. This is breaking news actors. Love money they love it. They love to get paid. So i don't care how many how many statues you got man. You know like if some good material piece of material comes your way and somebody pays you enough. You'll do. It's also funny because it's not like westworld is Less outlandish than your show. Anthony hopkins did that. You know it's just the fact that people think comedy is so much less valuable than co. what would what terrible mistake did he make the end up spending time with you. Yes i would love to know. If the if the producers of westworld were constantly asked. How did you get any like it. Blows people's minds. And you know like i think this just this is a. This is a part of the culture that maybe we have to. We have to start to shift. Seth laos there's just a lack of respect for what we do and the truth of the matter is like i'm going to make an announcement right now. It's harder to do. Comedy debt is to do drum. That's it. I'm saying right now. Full stop come at me. Drama people because because mythic west. We actually do both we. It's much different than sunny. Where we're just essentially going for satire laughs amid the crisis something that touches a lot more on on some of the more dramatic elements of the human condition. And and we're then heavily lauded for that which is great. I mean currently right now. Our reviews are incredible. And i don't wanna complain about the reviews because we have one hundred percent on rotten tomatoes or something like that. But i'm going to complain about the reviews. I i take umbrage i take umbrage with some of these reviews because yes they like it. I'm afraid they like it for the wrong reason interesting you they are valuing the the human relationships more than the hard part which is that. It's actually truly funny. One hundred percents that that like again. I don't wanna complain about people who liked shelf. But i'm going to complain about on television now. I'll read these reviews that are glowing and people will say and we'll spend so much time talking about the sort of dramatic aspects of the show and i'm like well look. That's great in a drama but for comedy. You would hope that if it was well liked it's it would be well received for the entire experience of the show which of course at certain points will be dramatic but but that we would be also heavily lauded for the comedy of the show and i believe the show is is really really funny and so i'm maybe i want to take back the the respect a little. I mean you understand. You know you're not respected. I is none not even from friends and family. I'm gonna take a quick break. And i hope that during this break that if there are any critics who Love your show that are watching. They take a moment to look in the mirror and think about what they don't the review doors. You know the reviews already out there. You can't take it back rotten tomato rules. We'll be right back with more from robb mcilhenny. Welcome back the late night We're here with rob mcilhenny. Always sunny a renewed to season. Eighteen mentioned mythic quest of one hundred percent around tomatoes You just bought a football team in england. I wanna talk to you about that. But the biggest heat team in north. Wales north wales. Yes yes thank you very much for quite yes. I should've said britain. I apologized but this is your heat right now. As you found a dog i should say your wife and co star caitlyn found a dog. Yes so So i've got got a couple of tv shows on the right now and we just announced another one yesterday and all anybody wants to ask me about on instagram or twitter is about this dog. Pretty good looking dog. It's great looking dog. Kaelin found this dog on the freeway in In here in la and she miraculously and with with with a person that she met on the freeway saved this. This dog eventually got the dog into the car and she brought him home and we fell in love with them. I mean his paws. Were all ripped up. Because he clearly he'd been running for forty or fifty miles they. They suggested as his paws world torn apart and And so we had them all stitched up and and we were all ready to make him a member of our family we We named him. We even had a name for him because he has a giant hat and tiny little legs so we call him frank reynolds that make sense for very good frank reynolds photo right there. There you go. Yeah very very devito pose. It really is. Yeah tends to be shot down on. Yeah yeah sure. There's no directors direction so we were. We had a dog. We had a dog at my instagram about it in a story and And we were pumped me. We already have two other dogs. And so my my kids film fell in love with frank reynolds and then i got a text a mysterious text from somebody who said i know the owner of that dog and i said who is this and she said while the person said I'm a pet detective. So now i knew like i knew someone was trolling me because and i don't know who this number where there's number came from who or who it was but i went along with the bit and i responded in. Its earned out that no this person had had scour the internet and found and found Photos of a reward that was given four of a reward page. That was plastered all over this one neighborhood in los angeles and wasn't even online. Somehow she figured it out found out found. My information found my phone number my home address and and tracked us down and and reunited the dog. Who's apparently dog's name was not franken dogs in his neighbors chance but she she she tracked down and i i. I was like blown away. I'm this is all over the course of twenty minutes. I said twenty minutes from the time. I posted it. They said how did you find me. And she said rob. I'm a pet detective. I can find anybody. And i was like oh i mean i. I thought he was on the massad. Anyway i did a. I did a deep cleanse of my information on internet. But my guess is if she wants she'll find me again. This sounds like a you know. There's a sad element that you lost. Frank but we should point out that you know. This is a happy ending the chance we actually. There's a video chancy and his family again. Very nice hockey. I don't know. I'm not sure. I think it's a scam. I think that's a happy dog. And of course we were bombed that we missed out on on frank reynolds but but we were so happy that he was he was. We alluded to it. So this is a pretty awesome story. Wrexham am i saying it right. That's the name of the welsh club you purchased. That's right. So you and ryan reynolds bought a very low Division a sort of underperforming but a historic football club. How did this come about. This is your idea. Yes yeah. I just over the pandemic. I really got into football. I have to call it football now. Because if i call it soccer. I'm gonna get stabbed. When i go to north wales so i just make sure i i. I don't code switch. I don't come back to america and then and then start saying soccer. 'cause i'll get will if i if i slip up. They'll they'll be a beating. And i think that same that's smart. Yeah so it's very close football. And i started getting into football watching football watching football documentaries and i was not a big fan of it in in the past Because not huge sport here in america. But i i got into it a big time and once learned about how you could be promoted and relegated out of the league that really piqued my interest. Because that's just so not a part of american sports. I mean if so you know there would be teams. You know the at the bottom of the nfl every year that would be booted down to playing out of the. They've no longer part of the league. So i thought well if you can get relegated you can also get promoted so if you go for far down enough and you can find a club that maybe i could afford that. Maybe i could. I could help that club to be promoted up into into into highly. So that's that's what i did as the has. The fan base embraced the idea of you and ryan so far they have thus far. Yes i mean we we. We've been very respectful and very careful about how we're approaching this. We recognize that. We're in american and a canadian where we're also Hollywood types and i don't know if you've noticed the seth but a lot of people don't trust holidays i i i. I don't know. I don't know why i don't know what agenda they believe we have maybe certain agendas that are espoused on your program had well. It should be that we mentioned the third. tv show you're going to do a documentary about owning this club. Yes so that was a key part of this. So i got really invested in a bunch of documentaries that i was watching over the pandemic which i know. A lot of people were as well. I really the chef's table. I got really into last chance. You and i got really into cheap. It turns out that there's one company that makes all of those dock documentaries and i reached out to them and i said i love your shows. Were going through this weird process would you. Would you consider documenting this. And they said yes. This company is called and they're going to document the entire process It's really exciting. I can't wait to see it and congrats and everything. It's really nice to talk to you. Buddy thank you. We'll see you soon. Mythic quest is streaming now and apple. Tv plus late night with seth meyers. Weeknights on nbc. At twelve thirty five eleven thirty five central originally music on the late night. Podcast is by h. e. ban. Don't forget to follow the handle late night. 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E84 // Deep Dive on All You Cannes Eat

Salad: The Advertising Podcast

53:23 min | 2 weeks ago

E84 // Deep Dive on All You Cannes Eat

"What's up boys are we doing. We are recording. It's funny. I always like to ask you our doing when in reality. We've been talking for hours before this being click recall. I mean our fifteen for seven hours and seventeen minutes in the middle of the night so we can record this at nine. Am just to go over a busy sleeping. I was grinding. Tell those foaling. Thin assholes. Gary me jerry jerry. Like scary anyway advocate convenor media. Not that i want to. But god forbid i ever have to interview. They're they're gonna look at salad and just be like all gonna come up. All of this is gonna come to the surface speaking of coming to the surface We've got a very interesting episode here. Where all the great work over. The last two years has risen to the top and is now being recognized. That's right we've been in award season and much like that transition. I just made deserves an award. There's a lot of great ads that also deserve awards so While the has been literally inadequate to any type of advertising festival you can think of has happened Can lion happened just a just a little bit ago. And so we're gonna talk about it and this episode. You might not have got the deep dive little logo going on this episode on the cover. Our instead of those bite-size takes we had to mix it up. You know So it's been a bit of an interesting year from can. We're gonna talk a little bit about it a little bit about some stuff that deserves recognition. We think that we thought was really cool. Numbers going to pick three of our favorites and chat about those so angry with with all that in mind let's get into it As may of you may know. Unless you're jared leto and still coming back from some kind of weird. The island retreat. There's been a global democ happening the last year and a half now Blind can was cancelled because of it. Oh coal he sweet summer child and Gap because of that got canceled and didn't happen so it's been interesting festival in general because you've got twenty twenty and twenty twenty one all kind of clumped into one so you've even got like some categories have multiple grand prix winners. You know all in one Which is which is different. Because you grand prix is the pinnacle. There's only one per category sometimes not even given Says cool to see and with that in mind just got some stats for you guys just to blow your minds a little bit. We'll the listeners. Out there how many entries do you think were submitted to can for this. This festival season thousand very educated. Guess of six thousand seven hundred and twenty six cool yet. You're both wrong. It may be educated but it's not correct. How man twenty. Nine thousand seventy entries to canon twenty twenty twenty twenty one festival while we're if you want to know more about the conversion stats kelly. Ten percent of those twenty nine thousand made shortlist. So if you don't know shortlist is. It's still considered an award. Still concerned achievement. Again only ten percent gida into have that recognition It does tracking. It's interesting cans. We love the work site. Tracker does recognize shortlists as awards so ten percent. Get a shortlist award from there. Only one point. Five percent of entries won bronze point. Nine four percent of entries win silver point. Four three percent of entries win gold and point eleven percent one grand prix this year. So you have point. Eleven percent chance of getting a grand prix in the case of this festival season company is burger king. and that it's much higher. Yeah exactly then. You're guaranteed or nike right though it's working or if you're working three wild and that's like one thousand basically yeah basically like you know you're better chance of getting hit by lightning even though those odds probably don't track it's so amazing like you have if you think about it like that is with to like a lot more awards being given out because it did account for two years worth of stuff which is pretty crazy before we dive into the rest of it. Coal wanna give a quick shout out to you. We won't give all the details. But you did get an even bigger big boy job but recently upgraded. Now a senior and your life. Alert package is from zach. Nies yes exactly. You dial for when i fall and cannot get up like yes. Thank you very much. I yes To our weaklings out there. I did happen to get another musician will now be at Hartson science so another lovely agency out in la Working on at and t. Moving a little bit more in the strategy direction here A little bit away from the campaign reporting ish that i was up to before and yeah moving on earth and exciting for the new position. But i don't think i'm the only one here with a cause for celebration here are good Our good buddy. Trent hair happen to win. Is very first ryan vase everybody to get around requirements. Everybody clap at home or in your car. Just somehow keep your hands on the steering wheel if you're listening in your car. Police breaking news accomplishment causes major accident impact. Right there seriously dude. Congratulations to see some to be really proud of him after hearing the stats in particular which just to disclose full disclosure. It was by design that trent spoke the stats. Before that you one more impressive but it is a very impressive accomplishment especially in a year with so many entries so seriously congrats man. That's awesome you know. Honestly all the accomplishments in the world. Though i just got spam text that i won one hundred dollars worth of t. Mobile ltd prizes. Me do i got it too so really. You're still waiting. Thank you guys. It is cool. It is funny because it is like we're not gonna talk about that ad On this but it is funny because it really is such a team effort in like You look at the credits on the site leo in. It's just like there's so many people in it in like. I feel like when i was in college. I would look at those i like. Oh wow they literally just giving credit to everyone but then like having gone through down. I'm looking at it. I'm like whole these people deserve credit. Yeah yeah and it was just a crazy campaign to because like it literally was like our agencies first remote production because it the the shoot happened right when the borders shutdown and so we had to pull people back from prague. We had to figure out q. Take and getting at all set up and there people just in an office room. You know like from like midnight to nine. Am basically you know working Overseeing in it's it's crazy 'cause like to do all the via fax and have all those approvals remote you know and have none of that in person. it's. I'm just very proud of the team. It's like everyone adobe in math matic and Got even more like people. I'm forgetting and all the effects people are worked on it. It's just crazy. 'cause you look down that listens like others no way they're just giving lip service but it's like no like it. Just you realize like campaigns. become everyone's baby in it's just so many people helped bring it to life at some really as a millage situation So it's cool to see as cole. I have talked about this. Many times is also a little bit of a scam I was like oh just get a trophy copy because you can order copies wants your market is like a winner and To over two thousand dollars. If i want to get a copy of the trophy to say that right away. Doesn't you build up the will be in the link for this in there so it's a little bit of a disappointment but it's yeah it's pretty cool we won. We wanna silver and film craft and then we wanted to shortlists as well Which is pretty sweet point. Nine four percent chance. Yeah there it is. Yeah that's cool especially to. We missed out on a pencil. And i was. I was a little bit nervous. If we'd miss out on a line to but to to land that silver's it's pretty cool nice With all that aside because that doesn't matter let's talk about All the stuff that we liked from it that one outside outside of that There were a few kind of pieces that we're not talking about in depth but we feel like deserve recognition Especially i love. Hate relationship with burger. King Moldy walker to probably the surprise of no one Has one big They got a grand prix in outdoor for their time lapse. Video of getting nastier day by day and You know respect. We talked a lot about how Burger king was kind of getting stale. I guess pun unintended in the context of moldy walker This was still just a really good way of breaking through. And i think it is a testament to just how unique it was Outside of the random like poxy encased hotdog that supposedly supposed to get moldy on reddit that i see like every other week popping up for some reason This one actually did get moldy and they did a good job. Any other thoughts on that before we switched to our next one. We want to call out I just wanna say yeah it was. I mean it was incredibly bold of them to take the direction that they took in the only reason it worked is because they were highlighting a clear product benefit at fit right in back gave them permission to go out and do something bold in weather. Hate it as we've said it's it's deserving of the recognition. Yeah no i. i'm. I'm with you on that one. I remember when those first came out. I was a. I was impressed by the identity as always burger. King loves to shock and surprise. And i think this one's different. But i think to disasters point about if falling right in line with the product benefit. And really you know a differentiator in terms of what burger king is trying to do out there. I think it's a big winner winner in shocks and surprises with. Just one. look. So i mean. I think that's effective. One isn't right there just one. Just one buyer fifteen life. I mean speaking of just one look at the next is a kid kid transition to the print publishing grand prix next. We've got doves Courage is beautiful campaign which really is an extension of all their other previous work under their campaign platform. I think it's it's interesting. This is really like one of the you look at like. Oh we've had to use with content. This is really like i think in my mind. There's another one we're gonna talk about later in this episode but this in my mind is really like oh. This is the cova campaign. And that's not like a delineation to make it beanie less worthy. It is just the most like this is the one that sticks with me. The most that i remember the most you know it's they had a thirty second spot but at one. Two grand pres First imprint publishing and then industry craft as well which is really nice. One to women really is a compliment to how great it's banned. But this is the one that shows all the frontline workers. You know with their their protective gear and their masks off and kind of you know you've got the close up shots of the scars on the faces and stuff from having an ninety five so tight on for such long shifts over you know weeks at this point And i think just the fact that they called attention to that in just such a beautiful way they had him. You know outside of some of the hospitals and stuff in different markets So i think you know ogilvy in and dove Really did a great job with this one and well-deserved couple couple grand prix. Is there yeah so we'll keep rolling here Next we've got a womb pain stories Which is another one. That i think one is just a really great spot to watch. But i think it's also just interesting to you. Know they had four grand pres which most campaign absolutely insane zach. Do you know the ones that one. Because i just got hit with the lovely adage after for this entire session. I i love one pausing pausing causing finding it finding it finding it i know at one i will say one. The oh here. It is at one the titanium grand prix which is like the best of the best. It won both the film and film craft grand prix and it also won the grand prix for good in health so some pretty three of those four the the grand prix from good in health is specific obviously to healthcare but the others are some of the most prestigious categories film craft film and obviously the titanium is is the top award at the show and it got all of those so very very impressive. Yeah we should have the rest of the recording so behind the scenes. Welcome welcome We are back you. We threw a seamless feet of editing from colon. I you will not even notice this. But we're gonna tell you anywhere on the secret. Zen caster sucks and a recording platform. Booted us out again. So living the best life really if i do say so myself. But we're back so zach. I believe you had just said what it one do. You wanna talk about kind of one of our favorite pieces of this. Not only the mixed media approach but also the fact that that client agency partnership has had some pretty damn good success last three years. Yeah so i mean you kind of just spoiled the surprise but for the last three years This client which is It's Body form but also liberals or liberace. I actually don't know which one it is. But it's like that. That's the client and for the last three years. They've kinda swept shop at the lion's blood normal in two thousand eighteen in vivo of ova in twenty nineteen Were both campaigns that Earn some of the top honors at ken and they obviously continued that this year for the twenty twenty twenty twenty one Showing with four grand prix wins. And so i think it's just a testament to the strength of that partnership also there The brave nece and their their willingness to take on taboo topic in present it in ways that are compelling in honest in really accurate and respectful to women into consumers in really shining a light on something that We don't always get to hear about. And i think that's what's made it so so successful. Yeah i think it. Just in the way that they candidly talk about Women's issues is really interesting. I think i don't know. I think the strength of this one in particular was just how i mean. Obviously it's called womb stories. But i think it really kind of a pit him is that because it's like we have half a dozen women in this In this piece that basically go through different stages of whether it's you know getting a period or menopause or having kids not having kids but basically how the womb self acts as a character in each of these scenarios and how it affects them either negatively or positively and i mean i must say the craft the animation. I mean there's probably about ten different animation styles throughout this whole thing from stop motion to you know Cgi to you know hand-drawn sort of stuff And it's all really well done. And i think i've listeners. I am admittedly not a woman. But i do feel like this does do a good job. I mean that's just bring them to light. Yes exactly. I mean we're we're three dudes we don't have any you know agency here. Yeah we don't have any agency here what we'll say it's stuff that shouldn't be taboo to talk about. It should be mainstream discussion conversation. And i'm glad that it is in that campaigns like this have had success and have been done in such poignant ways with great craft tied to it to elevate these stories that we just don't hear otherwise and so hopefully we'll help continue to normalize it In on the complete opposite end of the spectrum we're gonna talk now about red. It's superb owl campaign Because that's advertising for you We've talked about this on the show. Basically a little bit of a cool hack which is a little bit of a a hint of. We're gonna be talking about for some of our more deep dive topics but Why spend millions of dollars on the super bowl spot when you can do a really targeted local by on broadcast in san francisco for five seconds and that's what reta did just a little quick flash of the screen if you're in the area like wait did i just see that. And it got everyone talking on social media I'm trying to pull up the stats here. See if i can get them for us because it's kind of interesting How man that. Arizona internet is thriving for me. Oh god hit with the paywall again. Zach what she got. I don't know if i have the stats for this. When either i got. I'm getting the pay will on this onto. Oh this is laurie listeners. We have pay for was non. We don't back it up. Yeah it was a great spot. Yeah a lot of impressions on social media. It was very effective. If you wanna know more about it look it up yourself anyway. We're moving many impressions on reddit for sure. I must say i must say just to give a little bit more into it. I mean this happened when read it. Was you know in the news every day. When wall street bets was going crazy when the world was paying attention to read it and Just the power it had in the communities that are on it and the influence that they can have on culture. And i think that's the relevancy of that taking spot in the super bowl. You know subverting. It's also a subversive platform so subverting the traditional thirty second. Five million dollar spot airing something for five seconds in specific markets is so on brand for them and made everything perfect for this campaign And then coming in next just a quick shoutout at one creative strategy and i think there is a great insight for as far as craft and i don't think so but it did win strategy so we do want to give respect to that She does popcorn. Can't touch this. We talked about this in the super bowl. You know the song you know the spot and you know those fingers as damn fingers but this injuries that she'd have dust has won at cannes. Congratulations is very great. Insight cat. Let's see a couple more wanted to shout out because it's been a hell of a two year run ready for it ready for little nassir whole town road lice. Pretty bird dog dad all of that entertainment lions for music which is just hilarious that yep that is a category so honestly probably done more fitting It did also share with mercado leib race feed parade which was a great spot for pride. Encourage you check out to liam old town road you. It's still there. Yeah i was gonna say this didn't a song come out in like twenty nineteen twenty eighteen twenty nine time some are or maybe i mean. That's the weird delineation. Exactly right. it's like can happens and then like but there's a cutoff so like stuff from a little bit before. All the way to the next one is like one year and so it was like twenty. Twenty twenty twenty one is really like part of twenty nineteen part of twenty twenty then part of twenty and twenty part of twenty twenty one. I think the cutoff is like the end of the year. Like january or something Kinda kinda like how. Billy bush won a grammy for us for her. James bond song in that Last year in that film has still not come out case. You forgot cheese. But i mean i think i will say Eggs i mean continues to be relevant. You could argue. You know if he had just had that song and they never heard from again A bit more. We've definitely heard more so irene. Props stem the. This is essentially his launch of his brand. Ray really is a shoe in for. What was hey. Don't don't yeah drop a blood and drop it. Just got that all right. We've got one more. We want a nod to not tag mounted up Swipe of course right another beautiful and of twenty nineteen before the world got crazy Just such a fun spy and like that one. So big too got a grand prix. A gold cup lebrons So it's yeah. That was such an undertaking and very very happy to see that one winning big. Yeah feel like it just did such a good job in revitalizing breathing. Fresh air into tender in the tender experience. You know it's obviously already game of fide platform and creating a new game version within that game. If i bought formed to freshen it up and and make it more. Authentic ultimately was really awesome. Yeah just the the. It's interesting to be as it's funny. see it with. I guess we're gonna dive a little bit. You see what disney is doing disney. Plus right now where they're just they're back on the weekly release format and it's like you know i mean. Hbo has done it. But like the coming out of twenty twenty like netflix just constantly. You know it is interesting. There is like such a refreshing aspect of like the. Oh you know. Everyone is tuning at this moment in time to watch kind of thing and that is the interesting thing of like swipe night did such a good job of that. You know where it is just like. Oh shit okay. it's time again. Let's do it And it's it's cool. The amount of community i think in still to In a you know. It made it into the lake stream-of-consciousness of people in day to day conversations. I think because of how cool it was as opposed to like you know the usual things that people will be talking about tender four. So it's just kind of it's a it's a cool hack of the hack of the program and you talk about like creating a story around something or like you know game buying or kind of you know bringing people into an experience that's wholly separate from you know what the app usually is. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah and it's like. I died on a pier alone because an asteroid hit me talking to someone on the platform who had a superhero save the world and like what were your life decisions to get to that point outside of solo so i clearly did something wrong. So it's getting a little conversation starters to interesting swipe left on whoever didn't save the dog but all that aside let's get into a deep dives here we're gonna kick it off with zach your favorite from this. Obviously there's a lot we talked about. Twenty nine thousand entries so a lot of favorites a lot of a lot of love for all of these but what was your top really one of the best period i think but break it down for. Yeah okay so my pick for this year goes to nike. Unfortunately i had to. I know we talked about burger. King nike sweeping up everything but spoiler alert to. You can't not when they that is so good. So the spot that i wanted to mention was Nike's you can't stop. stop us. Which won the film grand prix or when a film grand prix this year For those of you who don't remember that was the spot or if you haven't seen it please please please please please go watch it because it is why most impressive talk 'cause for room on spotify we need you to be continuously listening. Yes it is the most impressive feat of editing that i have probably ever seen in my life. This was the one when it was a split screen format that spliced together clips from different athletes in different sports Almost you know playing together in unison. So you'd see like a tennis swing turned into a baseball swing and Someone jumping in celebration turning into like a ballerina or a dancer. Dancing landing their their their trick. Gymnast you know flipping into whatever and so it just perfectly spliced. Together the movements of sports and the just the that human element of sport In it they did this during the pandemic. that's i think the testament to this is not something twenty twenty yes not filmed. This all found when they searched me. I think the stats here. Where they searched over I wanna say it was four thousand different clips. yeah Creating the ad required sifting through four thousand pieces of footage to find action scenes that could merge within a single frame chance thousands of hours of editing to make those merges connect but this was one of those spots where we were in the midst of the pandemic. No one really knew how we were going to move forward in creating stuff that was relevant in really special in widened kennedy nike come along and just blow it out of the water. Creating one of the most special campaigns. I think of all time one of the most. You know visually incredible campaigns of all time doing it without being able to shoot something in the middle of a pandemic it was The voice over was by meghan re piano and it was really just talking about that message that you are seeing on screen that message of togetherness in the fact that vit- while visually showing you know just the together nature of sport in how connected all of us are as human beings as as athletes Also having the voice over speak to that testament in a way that was just incredibly impressive. And so i cannot give more praise to this campaign. I remember when i first started watching it. Or when i first saw it. I think i watched it three times in a row. 'cause i honestly could not believe that. They found a way to do this. It is that amazing. That's an ways. But i want to hear your thoughts on this not to get inside baseball on this but you working in the industry and seeing that it's like a little bit like it's just it's a bit of a medium of like okay always wanted a nike. We're gonna do great stuff but like being on teams trying to figure out how we make stuff at that point in time like you know when you couldn't do shoots because again pandemic To pull that off into figure that out and just peace at together like man like it's just so like just such like a not only is it a great spot just like i have so much respect to the teams that put that together. Yeah because i italy shit. I genuinely mean it. It's one of the most beautiful things you'll ever watch like watching it is. It is pretty fantastic. I mean you know i i. I'm sure i just be echoing. Zach trent here to talk about the merits. I mean the craft here is Insane and you know again. It's like trump was saying just goes to those you know those people in editing bays for thousands of hours spending all this time sifting through all this footage will not even an editing biz. Let's the you know or yes you're right. Yeah you're probably most of them were headroom in their in their exactly. Despite on on like frankie and all these other fucking raynham mass programs. I wanna go away but but like it It really shows you know. I think nike's place in sport You know it's like you have almost every sport. Ears represented all sorts of different athletes. A lot most of them you recognize. And i mean a a just really goes to show that You know that they they do have this spot within culture pretty locked down here and i mean again this whole spot epitomizes that even more so just with a sense you know either. Bring all of these things together. I don't know that's what i really liked about. All of the nike spots during coveted. And on this one. There's a few other ones that have come out as well That they are actually able to film but This kind of moving to this position of Nike s as kind of a brand for movement. A brand for growth and a brand for The kind of with us there on a lot of these big issues and whatnot. And i mean i think that's been kind of their pivot since even that that cabernet spot but i think this ad just goes to show that even further on. Yeah one thing in this article. That i've got up. I think is a nice all encompassing message to end on for it is the sentence in which it says in one fell swoop the spot polls in what seems like all of the sporting world while addressing the ills affecting the world today from the pandemic to racial injustice. And it does it all in the most beautiful way possible. Yeah so it watch it. Please watch k. So i didn't even hear about this next one when it happened. Which is hilarious because twenty. Nineteen october seventeenth. We've talked a lot on this show about hacking style campaigns. That have worked some. Haven't looking at you. North face in your wikipedia stunt Let's talk about the stevenage challenge. So it has won. Three grand pres or had one did win In brand experience and activation directing social and influence her categories. So what this is is. It's david as you might expect With burger king as you might expect Back to back. Becky burger king. God the i know we can't escape a man. Now we're gonna have ryan reynolds at can like with the chi. Oh man that would be so funny. Okay so they wanted to get you. Know a way to endorse popular football stars without having to show like a single euro So what they did is they became the main sponsor of stevenage f c a team at the bottom of. What would you say. I guess the the you know. They're different divisions right. So they're essentially like the lowest division fourth division of english football so they're not at the same level as to be lose. We lost me now now. You hope but we don't have zac. Oh god i don't know what this is but we've raised some fucking. I want like a million dollars in damages. Some sort of some sort of trophy for this shit. I'm just going to add then caster. Okay if you can't tell we we're back again. This can be fun to edit. Okay hello. I don't remember what i was saying. Starting my stevenage beautiful beautiful stevenage lowest division not a high division so basically you can think about it like the g. league in the nba if you're in the us here For soccer right. Division soccer team in england Yeah and basically what. They did a sponsor that team so the insight here. The genius here is that those teams are still in fiba. You know the the video game. So by becoming main sponsor of that team in designing the football kits those burger king branded jerseys than appear in fee for a twenty twenty because it is in the game. They've got the teams in there. So you can play on. And then the beauty of that is that by playing as a team you know like through franchise and all that you can take like a or rinaldo and transfer them to stevenage f c and then suddenly. You've got rinaldo wearing a burger king. Jersey your game and so what they did is they invited gamers to compete in a series of challenges as stevenage f c players to win free food basically. If you tag them with the clip on social media you get a free uber. Eats menu item And so it went from. Let's see what was the day range on this. It was basically it ended october. Twenty third about october seventeenth. I believe it was like a week or two is not a very long campaign but through the stevenage challenge this quote catch up and mustard stains jersey basically got two point. Five million dollars in earned media and there are twenty five thousand dollars. Twenty five thousand videos of goals shared Which is just fucking brilliant. I just think that's such a smart insight to figure that out and just have that slipped in you. it's just. It's just so funny to me to know that you could take advantage of something like that especially in europe where those kids are so sponsor based you know the sponsors right front and center to to to think about that and pull it off. It's just such a clever way to to get it and of course neo. It's three grand prix deservedly soon and we just didn't even notice it at the time so it's kind of the fun part of. Can you know this is a europe specific campaign. You know spoiler alert. we're in america. We didn't see it. you know. it's fine that it you know. It really is truly like a global festival and you get to see all these cool different pieces of work. Suchada david madrid and david miami. And you're growing collection of of lines ever growing. Yeah this was one of those. I i wanna say what it reminds me of is inception the movie just like the like the levels of dreamworld but just the levels of complexity to to get to this final product. You know going on thinking the the depth of thinking that had to go into polling something like this off when cleaning this to client like installing something sponsor a team in real life. And then we're going to after we sponsor not going to be a good team and design the jerseys which are going to put them in fifa and then once they're in fifa we're going to use fica to allow players encourage players to play as this teams they become one of the most successful teams in the game and one of the most popular teams on the planet via trading players. As you mentioned. Trent and then from that we're gonna use the content. We get from that as earned media to blast on social award free food to players like. Do you know what i'm like. Exactly how do you get to that. You know like it's just an insane level of complexity in layers of thinking. I will say the only thing. And i don't know how this happened so i don't wanna knock it in any way because i'm assuming they didn't just sponsor the team for this one thing but it would make me feel bad if they only sponsored the soccer team with the the intention of putting their name out there as a burger king. Trying to get free food. I would like that. They at least care a little bit about soccer. Which i'm assuming they did. I don't think that's the only reason they decided to sponsor this team but still that aside the it's not a knock against the the campaign in of itself in the just unbelievable amount of thinking In you know just next level strategy and crafting and complexity and everything every hope that they had to jump through to pull something like this off is just incredible and well deserving of all the awards. It's one yeah to your point. Hopefully they did. At least i mean shit burger king. Money had done somewhat of an impact for the team as a as a whole india exactly. Yeah but it's interesting. You know. I mean the original article than a meeting is if this works look out for high profile football stars to be wearing the stevenage f c kit online soon as they did. Hey all. I know is ryan. Reynolds has some catching up to do because It's one thing to buy a soccer team with rob mcilhenny but it's an entirely different thing to do an ad about the soccer team that you own. So the hopefully he'll get his shit together co what. Are you going to say. Well i was going to say that but we've been doing this too long. It's a good. It's a good point of the you know. I think the complexity here is something to be lauded in the sense that you know like you said it's one thing to produce an adverse something to throw your name on jersey but You know there's multiple levels to this In the fact that they're kind of using this to grow a fan base. Four team is really interesting because You know and maybe this is becoming a more popular thing now. Because as trent mentioned ryan reynolds and rob mcilhenny of always sunny fame they bought a similar. I believe they're actually a in the fifth year. So this is the fourth year team but this is a. They bought a fifth year in so again like even lower down the potable. The point being that you know it's a fairly cheap sponsorship or team to buy and then you're getting your name out there as well and so you know whether it's using the power burger king or the power of ryan reynolds or whomever else you know. These teams are kind of becoming a little bit more of a hot commodity. Because again in english premier league football you can kind of You know if you are one of the worst performing teams you drop a level And it you can sink all the way to the fifth level but you can also increase your level by winning games as well so really you know. There is a way that if the team was to be able to capitalize on this sort of thing you know. 'cause money for good players is really what's needed Now all that sort of stuff than it can actually grow the football team too so You know hopefully moving them up in the ranks and than maybe one one day you do. See them playing in the premier league or something like that but I don't know it's it's definitely cool. It's outside of the box thinking again. It's it's weird. That i think both of these things happened within like a year of each other which sons Seems like someone has found this as a way to break into the uk market or maybe to promote products in some interesting way but I think it's cool and you know we'll we'll see what continues to happen because again these these football teams there. It's built around town. You know that has like a fervent. You know a love of the team that you know you have the hand of his built fan base but obviously that's really small in comparison to like you know a market that you'd wanna reach so it's it's kind of interesting how they can then use this using their own star power or brand power to remote and you know we'll see if they find success so yeah it's it's one of those campaigns that just highlights like it's not about the initial reach. It's about the reach. You'll get when people realize it's fucking cool. You know exactly if they continue to see success than it's just better for everyone if Stevenage you know is able to move onto the next league or something like that. Then that's really awesome. You know but it'll be kind of interesting to see okay five years from now for two years from now will. This have made an impact on the team. I don't know But again hard to say what the responses in england but Yeah i mean you. You heard it here. First everyone we're all hoping stevenage will catch up And with that in mind coal house over to you. condiment puns. aside in well here. i'm just working to catch up but My my compliments to the condiments. Hey go But so kind of in the vein of lola's ex we talked about earlier a A similar musical act bit as kind of swept well yes swept the globe. So i'm one of the one of the top Forming cannes lions winners of leaving the grand prix winner. Yes it was Was travis scott in fortnight percent astronomical so for those not nine aware of what's going on there About a little over a year ago. Fortnight teamed up with travis scott to do a virtual concert with enforce So basically it was one of. I believe one of the largest concerts ever. You had a lead over. A million people were tuning into this And it really just shows the scale to of fortnight not only as a game but as a platform to promote a platform for experiences and all of these sorts of things so it starts on a stage basically in the middle of the ocean. And then travis scott you know. They're doing his thing is performing and then all of a sudden he grows to the size of a giant. And the thing is too if you're doing this vr. If you're playing you know you're playing as a fortnight character in throughout it you move between stages move between different environments in the concept changes your floating through space at one point you're underwater. It's all of these sorts of things but it creates this holistic experience so much more than just a concert And i think what's really cool about this. What i think brands should really take. Note of from this sort of thing is really creating a holy virtual experience And it's i think this is going to become a bigger and bigger part of advertising in the future. A bigger part of media entertainment in the future is creating virtual spaces Because we talk about brand building we talk about building a brand story But so much of that comes down to the consumer experience. What you give me oaken app whether it's airbnb weathered spotify how you're interacting with that digital environment and this is really taking that to the next level rate and so this is obviously a concert so not necessarily You know much more than entertainment at this point. You know. It was about seven or eight minutes but it really just shows Not only what you what can be done with gaming and fortnight Just as a platform. You know a lot of brands of doing stuff like this. You see marvel characters. You see rick and morty in for night all of these sorts of things but it continues to be a bigger and bigger space. I mean gaming gaming is a huge segment. that is little exploited. Little talked about But i think this is continue to be big virtual spaces too you know. I think we're still maybe few years out from really getting into what what this technology can do but i mean i think. Vr is going to be a huge part of brand building on the future Creating digital worlds and digital experiences is going to be a huge. So i mean there was even like last year in twenty twenty One of the teams on our account at work did like a partnership for like complex land. 'cause their whole event was made virtual so you had character and you could walk through the digital space and you got to see different artists that were promoted by adobe and like i think like those spaces to your point are gonna continue to become more prevalent even even as we transition back to like a you know a slightly less digital world I think about like all the like the the livestream concerts at this point to like that are just begging for brand partnerships and not necessarily want them but like i just think there is such a huge space for this to do cool stuff and speaks to the staying power fortnight to you know i feel like back in twenty eighteen. We were laughing about the fact that wendy's did a livestream with their wendy's character and fortnight and all they did was. Just go around and smack apart freezers. 'cause they're all about that. Fresh never frozen and here. We are few years later and four nights still involved in in this And it's also speaks to travis. Scott psych growing brand of partnerships. If he's a little over saturated in the market now. But you know you've got the traffic patties to and tom. Cactus jackson shia yet only seltzer. Oh yeah there you go. I actually decent. I will say like. I had one Probably one of the better celtics. I've had actually say actually say. I prefer that kirkland signature seltzer but the work of the seltzer world for rolling rock to get into that seltzer to life. Everyone everyone eventually will every every like everyone's got a chicken sandwich. Yeah seriously yeah how far we've come a year and a half but back to this campaign i mean you really touched on a cold but just the how groundbreaking i think it is for fortnight to be the one that's bringing us into a whole different platform of virtual experiences are a whole different phase of virtual experiences. You know this was a game in which people build stuff in shoot each other. you know. that's how it started out but then allows like real life really exactly exactly like realized but then allowing your character to go into a space of virtual space. That's on the same island that became his honor. Its special island just off the main island that the game is on not allowing you to shoot each other anymore but allowing you to play as your character in a virtual world in jump around with other characters watching a concert in which the artist is also a virtual character is just totally groundbreaking like. It's just totally a new frontier. As you head sort of mentioned that's only going to grow. And i mean four nine has done a few things like this. You know they. Also we talked about wendy's but they also did that thing where they released exclusive. Nike's you could only buy as virtual nike's like they. They never made them. Even israel real shoes. They were virtual nike exclusives. That launched in the game that you could put on your character like that sort of stuff between reality and these virtual experiences are really taking shape in a brand new way in a lot of that is because a fortnight of all things you know like which is just crazy that they are the ones ushering in this sort of new frontier in this new way of blending virtual life and reality and that's just so special to me and i think that's a testament to this campaign which is also testament to bend in their track record and how they've continued to stay relevant and continued to push boundaries over and over and over again. Yeah definitely and i mean again it just. I think it's the beginning of some of something new when we think about how brands interact with their audiences here. So i don't know pretty cool. Cool both of the kind of taken the words out of my mouth. I don't have anything to say on it. But it's cool certify goal and you know. I'm glad at least i know travis scott can afford the purchase alliant for himself. He wants he can get one man. Yeah well you wanna look at more of them. It's love the work dot com cans. Ken lines official repository of these. It's also like thousands of dollars a year. there's a theme here if you wanna have a subscription so if you want to go to a more free route. I don't know i'm not endorsing this more. For love. the work more you're out on. There's some people who have compiled a list of all of them in linked to case studies from the different agency sites and free articles. If you learn more about them love the work. More dot com. Since i over trent when he was saying. Do it more do it if you do want to. Don't do it if you don't want to. I don't care but it's there for you. it's it's just there. I'm just saying that it's they're nice. I think that's what we've got tickets out coal tune in next to next time and have an ad tastic week ladies and gentlemen or month a month or a month.

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It is believed that she was murdered in her home later. That day by frizzy as their daughter sat in a playpen in another room. The prosecution's in star witness was sprays longtime mistress. krystal Lee Kenny. Kenny testified that frizzy had asked her on several occasions to help him murder murder Berith and who admitted to driving from her home in Idaho. Two Berths Condo in Colorado to help frizzy clean up the crime scene two days after the murder. Kenny stated that Frizzy told her that he had beaten birth to death with a baseball bat and that she watched as frizzy burned her body on his Colorado ranch. A partial tooth was discovered on freeze property at the site where Kenny testified that the body had been burned but it did did not contain enough DNA to determine who belonged to Kelsey births body has never been found. Patrick frizzy was sentenced to life in prison. There's and without the possibility of parole plus one hundred and fifty six years crystal Lee. Kenny pleaded guilty to a charge of tampering with evidence and avoided needed more serious charges through her cooperation with prosecutors. She faces a maximum of three years in prison. A Pennsylvania man has confessed to killing his girlfriend in Nevada after driving her there for what he told her was a vacation then impersonating her are in text messages and on social media for nearly two months after the killing thirty nine year old John. Matthew Chapman is in custody and facing facing charges of kidnapping obstructing administration of law and criminal use of a communication facility. He is being held without bail. In the allegany the county jail Pennsylvania lacks jurisdiction to file a murder charge in the case a forty say. The Chapman killed his girlfriend. thirty-three-year-old Jamie Fed on September twenty fifth after convincing the woman to take part in a bondage themed photo shoot in the desert. Chapman tied. Feddans hands to a signpost with ZIP ties and put duct tape over her mouth and nose causing her to suffocate after she died he removed her clothing along along with the ZIP ties and duct tape and left her body in the desert. Chapman spent the next several weeks impersonating fed and on social media And in text messages with the woman's family and friends who grew suspicious after receiving wrong answers to questions that felton would have been able to correctly the answer. They reported her missing and Chapman confessed during questioning the following day authorities from Nevada planned to travel to Pennsylvania to meet with investigators regarding the case it will be up to Nevada to decide whether or not to file homicide charges in the case a mistrial has been declared in the murder trial of three people accused of killing a pizza delivery driver in twenty seventeen and a computer. Glitch is apparently to blame a judge in East STROUDSBURG. Pennsylvania declared the mistrial during the second week of testimony against the three defendants. Who who are accused of luring Domino's pizza deliveryman Richard Labar to the campus of East Stroudsburg University? Before shooting and killing him. The fifty eight year old grandfather was shot in the face and robbed of one hundred dollars after being ambushed during a pizza delivery on December eleventh. Twenty seventeen a new trial will be scheduled for defendants Salvador Roberts Carolina Carmona and Israel Barrios officials at the Monroe County. Not Courthouse said there were two other mistrials because of the computer glitch and that each of those cases we also have to be retried. Those are your true crime headlines up next the story of Kelly stage but first a quick break. So do you hear that sound. That is is the sound of my mental break. 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The jackals soon after in Vegas Agass Kelly met and fell in love. With one of its star players. Fifteen years later she would be embedded in MIRA's history in the worst of ways as a victim of murder. Andreas Bayrock a longtime friend of Kelly told reporters that it seemed like love of it for sites when Kelly met Tom Clinton Kelly noticed him while watching a game then at a bar afterward where she walked up to him and asked him if he was single. All this wasn't unusual behavior for Kelly who was known for her straightforward honesty. Even her obituary talks about it. Anyone who came in contact with Kelly always knew where they stood with her. It says she was never want to mince words or hold backer. Thoughts Clayton was single. At the time he was also conventionally handsome and charming with a bit of a bad boy reputation one of his teammates. Jeff Antonovich told the daily beast that Clayton played like any other hard-nosed hockey guy one who was scrappy. Tough and got into fights. He wasn't the biggest guy but he played like he was. He said he would do whatever it took to win. Clayton didn't have have to work hard to win. Kelly's affections or vice versa. He was also immediately drawn to the bullying young woman. The romance between the pair took off quickly two years after meeting. They were married and Kelly became the quintessential hockey wife bringing her sweet. It outgoing spirit to jackals games where she cheered from the stands in two thousand seven though a leg. Injury brought Clayton's athletic career to a full all stop so he and Kelly decided to focus on building a family and moved to North Carolina. They had two kids first daughter Charlie then and three years later a son they named Colin Clayton purchased properties to rent out and started a taxi business for intoxicated. Folks who needed a ride at home. Five years later they moved back to New York. Not far from Kelly's childhood home. Once they resettled in and Kelly waited tables and Clayton opened a branch of a restoration and emergency service franchise before opening a similar business of his own with a colleague. Once a couple of made enough money they purchased more properties to rent out and things were looking good really good for their family at at least on the surface a Toronto Sun article described Kellyanne Clayton as a small town golden couple who had cash a beautiful home in the country. Two lovely children and that intoxicating elixir of local celebrity. But cracks were accumulating seemingly perfect vic facade friends of Clayton recall him describing Kelly as lazy and ungrateful. He even told. Kelly's close friend Andrea Andrea at a birthday party for Kelly about. They're falling apart marriage. He said he wasn't satisfied sexually was tired of Kelly complaining that she wasn't Happy Clayton wanted to have sex with other women whenever he wished which didn't bode well for their monogamous relationship. Could all of this have led head to the final and most horrific night of Kelly's life Clayton would be the first and lead suspect when her body was found. But how could it be him. He alleged when he wasn't even home when it happened that evening. September twenty eighth two thousand fifteen started out seemingly normal Clayton left for his weekly poker game at the home of the nearby couple. Lucky and Greg Miller Kelly. Kelly remained home with their kids. That dinner got them ready for bed. Then within hours the peaceful night gave way to horror just after midnight a nine one one operator received a phone call from Clayton in a panicked voice. He said helped me. My wife's dead police arrived home to find a gruesome scene. Thirty five year old. Kelly had bludgeoned to death. Her bloody lifeless body laid on the kitchen floor in portions of a police tape released by. ABC News Deputy Dean Swan. Who who was first to arrive to the scene said I've got a female mid thirties? Her face is completely beaten. Kids are home husband's claiming he was out playing poker. OCHRE came home and daughter Said Daddy. There was a robbery swan immediately. Wondered if this was a case of domestic violence there there were no signs of forced entry. Nothing appeared to have been stolen. Photos had been knocked off the walls and the hallway. One of numerous signs. Kelly fought to the and to survive. Clayton seemed suspiciously eager to share his whereabouts. Making sure police knew he had an alibi before he was even asked but his claim checked out he had been at a poker game according to his. GPS and the couple who hosted the poker game could vouch for his story. He also didn't appear to have any blood on his body. No signs of defense wounds. It was raining when Kelly Sister Kim Kim drove to the home after receiving a phone. Call Kelly's dead. She was told Kelly was murdered. Rain pounded on her car windows. She she rushed to the scene as crying along with her when Kim spotted an ambulance shock and maybe hopeful denial led her to believe leave. Kelly was still alive surely they were working on her saving her life inside the emergency vehicle upon realizing this wasn't the case the Kelley wasn't only deceased but had been brutally beaten to death. She screamed sobbed and vomited. Investigators did have a witness while that was undoubtedly helpful. It was also hurt breaking the couples seven year old daughter. Charlie saw the attack she told sheriff. Jim Allard that quote a masked man was killing mommy when he asked her how she knew. The person was a he. Charlie responded because his eyes looked just like daddy's. The official official questioning took place in an interrogation room designed for kids complete with a table full of toys like adults. Kids have the right to refuse to be the interviewed and authorities have to be careful not to pressure them into responding and Charlie seemed very willing to share what she saw. She wanted to help her. Mommy army investigators asked her questions to make sure she knew the difference between the truth and lies she did then recorded the little girl's account account asking her plentiful questions about the night of the murder. The man who attacked her mother wore jeans a black long sleeved shirt shirt and a mask. Charlie said adding quote. He looked like my dad. He had on a mask like what daddy wears when he's hunting when asked about his. Hi Ci offered tall like the size of my dad. Virtually everything related to her dad but she said it couldn't have been daddy because he would have taken care of them the last words Charlie said she heard from her mom. Where run Charlie run? Charlie said she hugged her mom's leg then headed to her brother's room to protect him before the interview ended she had a question for the investigators leaders to where is my mommy at as the investigation continued. Family members pointed the team to another man man. Michael Beard Beard had worked for Clayton had recently been fired and was described by some as Clinton's longtime friend beards girlfriend told police that Clayton had offered him ten thousand dollars to burned the Clayton. Family's house down when police questioned beard about this. He confessed according to transcripts from the confession. He said this he meaning Clayton. Wanted me to go to the house. Kill Kelly then light the house on fire. He said the kids would be his sister's house. There was also gas in the garage. He wanted the cars to burn also so he could collect insurance money when officers asked beard why he had agreed to commit these heinous acts. He said he just really needed needed. The money having been fired he was desperate to make ends meet after killing Kelly. He said he was too scared to set the house on fire. Beard guided police to the weapon. Used to end Kelly's life to a sledgehammer. He said he tossed out of his car window. While driving away from the home in a nearby swamp the team found beards clothing from that night it was covered in Kelly's blood at first. Many of Kelly's loved ones were shocked to hear that Clayton may have been involved in some way. The couple had seemed happy. They thought and even with Clayton's history of fights on the ice and the comments a few people had heard about marital dissatisfaction. The bad boy athlete turned family. Man hadn't raised any major red flags especially not anything that lead anyone to believe. He wanted his wife dead or would take steps to make that happen and so far. Investigators only had beards words stating that he'd been hired by Clayton as a hitman. No physical proof or corroborating stories. aures phone records suggested another story. Lucky Miller one of the house of the Poker Game Clayton had played the night night of the murder recalled. The Clayton asked to use her cell phone during the game bizarrely when she checked her call history. No outgoing calls appeared at the time she recalled it happening. She and her stepdaughter logged into the phones account online and saw that indeed a call had gone out to Michael Michael Beards. Phone Clayton must have deleted it from her history. Clayton also stop by the Millers home and made a call from their landline the afternoon afternoon before the murder again calling beard both Clayton and beard were arrested for the murder of Kelly. Stage at at the trials. More darkness was revealed. According to court records from Clayton's trial he had been breaking his agreements with Kelly. Pretty heavily early he'd been sexually involved with at least three other women including a close friend of Kelly's who admitted to participating in a threesome with Clayton on the stand. She said Clayton often complained about Kelly calling her a bitch and saying he wouldn't consider divorce because she would quote. Take everything UH Clayton had also taken out a life insurance policy and Kelly's name and considered increasing at two one million dollars just a year before for her murder. He pleaded not guilty to one count of first degree murder and two counts of second degree murder in his defense. Clinton's attorney argued. That first responders assumed this was a domestic violence case upon arrival then gathered evidence to support that rather than let evidence lead them to the right perpetrator. He said this wasn't a question of whether or not Clayton had affairs. But if whether or not he killed kills Kelly and that there was no physical evidence of an agreement with beard to have her killed. He pointed to beard as the killer and instigator saying the two men were never personally connected. Never friends and that beard new Clayton had money. If that was the case why would beard kill Kelly and take literally nothing from the home. Kelly's sister Kim said she believed Clayton a powerful white man. Dan used the far less privileged beard. A jobless black man to get what he wanted Clayton a powerful convincing man and beard. I would have done anything to help his own family at his trial which happened. I beard recanted his guilty. Plea claiming that Clayton paid hate him to burn down his home to get insurance money. He denied killing Kelly stating he had backed out of the plan when he saw that a robbery had taken place Clayton had told him the house will be empty but when beard found Kelly's dead body he fled the scene in shock to Kelly's family. He said I'm sorry for your loss. I know you mourn but I- Michael Beard did not kill Kelly Clayton. May God rest her soul DNA evidence linked beard with Kelly's murder and at the trials and he was convicted of all charges and sentenced to life in prison without parole at Clayton's trial. Two months after beard was convicted. The prosecution depicted beard as Pansy and Clayton as the mastermind remind Clinton's defense argued that while he wasn't the best husband he was completely uninvolved with the murder. The testimony of former more police officers Sira who runs a firm that combines data to trace cellphone locations helped the prosecution side showing that Clayton's claim that he hadn't been in much contact with beard was false using cell phone data. He created a very convincing map that placed beard and Clayton near each other on on multiple occasions leading up to Kelly's murder after a nearly seven week trial. A jury found Clayton guilty of first and second degree murder after he was sentenced to life in prison without parole Clinton's defense team filed to appeal the verdict more than once since his initial sentencing in two thousand sixteen. A third suspect was arrested. A man named Mark Blandford was taken into custody and charged I with second degree murder. First degree burglary and fourth degree conspiracy prosecutors said he plotted with beard to murder Kelly. Clayton's attorney said this of the third bands involvement this new defendant. Highlights the lack of connection between Thomas Clayton and the death of his his wife. The prosecution is based on demonstrably false statements especially by beard now learned that beard acted in concert with a second defendant. It's time for the prosecution of Thomas Clayton to end. That appeal was denied. As was Clayton's latest attempt in two thousand nineteen eighteen. New York's highest court made it impossible for him to ever get out of prison. He'll spend his remaining days there with no chances for parole. Kelly's loved ones field. This is the least that can be done. Given their life was cut so tragically short. Nearly everyone who talks about Kelly's memory mentions her big hearts outgoing spirits. She was a devoted mother who looked out for her kids until her final moments when she told her her daughter Charlie to run her spirit lives on in Charlie Colin who went to live with. Kelly's sister Kim. After the Murder Kelly was their world reeds. Her Obituary and Kelly's children were hurt world in a follow up interview with ABC ABC. Kim and Kelly's mother Elizabeth are shown walking through one of Kelly's favorite parks beside bench stands a plaque with her name. That reads forever loved and missed as bright as the sun. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. 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Smart Sex, Smart Love  Chris Wilson on Men and Body Image

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Smart Sex, Smart Love Chris Wilson on Men and Body Image

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT podcast. DETROIT DOT COM before information Welcome to smart sex smart love. We're talking about sex. Goes beyond the taboos and talking about love goes beyond the honeymoon. I'm Dr Joe Court. Thanks for tuning in today's smart smart love. We're GONNA be talking about men and body image on today's Today's show. I'll be just discussing. How men are increasingly concerned about their body ideals and yet society generally minimizes these concerns or doesn't acknowledge college them? We have a society of men who feel unable to speak up about these concerns and off was often sit with it which causes them to have emotional distress which can result in depression body morphing disorder and health issues related to excessive exercise and rigid food. Consumption my guest is Chris. Wilson doctor of human sexuality licensed marriage and Family Therapist and certified sex therapist from Pennsylvania. His work with men often focuses on expectations of their bodies including physical ideals erectile functioning and concerns of how others perceive them in working with the Lgbtq community he often Helps process couples issues coming out concerns body image concerns dating and social relationships. Chris believes we need to start acknowledging these. He's body issues. Men have address them in larger social construct. Welcome Chris Thank you for having me glad to have you and we only have thirty minutes and so much what you discussed so we. Let's just jump right in. Okay okay found great. Well what would you can you explain. Body dismore fake disorder. I because people hear that. And they're like what I don't know what that means. Yeah the basic idea behind body morphine sorter that people become fixated on body aesthetic aspects and it can be anything from fixation on on like the body parts that they're node or their ears being too large but often what we see with men in particular is a buddy Moravia that actually focuses on muscle. And it's really coming known muscle this for you because it's about the idea of having too little muscle mass or not being big enough not which equates to not be masculine enough or Manley enough and so these men had an idea that in order to achieve some national in the manliness they need to have large physical bodies and that takes time and energy and the way they do that times through through excessive eating regiment or through. Excessive exercise were combination of the two In more extreme cases it can actually lead them to steroids which have a host of health problems and potentially can lead the done really awful. How do you work with that in the in the therapy room with them? I'm to help them without party is really kind of helping them to try to look and helping breakdown. Typical enormous if physique would look like versus a society that is built on this predication of overly masculine overly muscular. Also going back to a little bit more history. About how how they developed this challenge. When did they start feeling of having to need to be the ultra masculine expectation or depiction of what it needs to be a man and typically speaking and the client? I work with. They were boys having really early methods of of of a young person. And you know under the age of five getting a little messages about being what it means to be a guy. You be strong. You need not and must be you need to be. Ah The strong. Little Man You know you need to be the big support for your brother. You need to be you need to be that if a level at which we start grooming young boys to be men at a very early age and we do something similar to women but in a very different way yes and and when you when you say Ma male body ideals did you already describe that or is that something different. Didn't just dog back so meal. Buddy ideal are you're simply around the idea that we're supposed to be muscular large being but then are supposed to be able to physically take up space. They're strong strong Africa that are not necessarily cynical but kind of a part of the incompetent and competitive persona are things such as being stoic being unemotional and either all of what it means to be a man and has historically been part of idea of hegemony not. Doing the men are supposed to be nonfeeling almost robotic lake workers providers People who you are there to support the family but refinancial means we need our all encompassing all next back through the body I growth Batman will they have to and I feel like this is campaigning. More and more. I feel like it wasn't like this thirty forty years ago. Well when I was younger I feel like unless I wasn't seeing it. Is this newer to you. Or is this always been the case and we and we just haven't talked about it. I definitely would say that. We're we're looking from a timeline standpoint. We've been oven flow around what it means to be on that. It changes in decades and decades. And if we just look at You know let the circa the nineteen fifty four You know the fifty sixties man from afar. The fifty man particular was the working man he was out in business he would either a daily retype orkney in the business world and I didn't become from the power to go to the office gotomeeting And that kind of identity carried a big sentiment who he is and while a certain level aesthetic with their meaning. meaning that you. You don't WanNa be a big beer belly but you didn't weren't expected to be super must've Knoxville. And either it was really kind of focused around. He had a slim to your and you were kind of fit. But you weren't like Uber. Must we don't see uber. Muscular hyperactivity people come into play until around the nineteen eighty The couple main things that happen from a cultural standpoint we start seeing women have more buying power that starts really kinda seventies with the women's movement and what happens then. Advertisers advertisers start saying. Oh how do we track female Pires. Oh well how we like milk buyers. We showed them beautiful win. Oh Okay so let's show beautiful men. Oh Women Blake that we've been buying our products and off the time all of the things we're actually Advertise first gay. The audience record of them And they would say oh Damon you like a main our extrapolate that into. Hey women do you like to. Oh you like this is great. This is a marketing tool. Now that we can get and with that we start seeing a projection of much more hyper Mac wins images. We see it through Rambo through the Terminator who's now back then We see it through you. See The nineteen ninety common Klein advertisements. These are all things that start to show nailed at being put on a premise of the beauty which had historically been marketed to the not audiences if we look at game and specifically they've had some of these things something making thirty even forty pickerel magazine that like the farm boy. Yes Now but it didn't project as well and until really about the eighty and ninety four the general populace and then since. Then we've just been a consistent Hyper masculine projection. We see on shows such a teen wolf and and movies like Superman and all these shows that you know you can argue the entire Dwi Wine Men all feature the some Young men that I'm working now with who were in their Qiamuddin twentieth have been growing up with Oklahoma carried over time. I love that. You're reminding Dina's that we teach boys this and these boys grow into young adults and man and people you know because I see a lot of my office or in our cultures people shaming. These guys is for being this way. And what's wrong with you and why you like this and we all forget that we teach these little boys how to be this way and to become this way from very early on. That's so appreciated that you said that that's what you mean right. Yes and I think we actually shame him in two different ways. We shame them in the sense of Hegemonic Matthew Home Perspective of you can't cry can't be vulnerable. You can't be Yup So then they turn all those things then they hold that in Thane Dame code with the body image expectations we project all these beautiful pictures of people that you're supposed to spire to then a you can't talk about that females. You're going to talk about that. You can talk about the fact that you know you don't look like Jessica Alba or I think another female right. Now it's fairly you're Hampton but it's a lot more difficult for men to talk about the facts that they don't really look like Chris Hemsworth or He's Got Evan or You know be people that have the more hyper masculine two weeks. And you see all these advertisements. I mean if you go on facebook all these advertisements around trying to get these super ideal body whether the Kito Diet or the Paleo Diet or You know slim fast everything Kind of moving in that direction and so we've definitely seen a huge uptake in how the image imagery ah Andy's pressure have picked up particularly through starting with the Nineteen Eighty S. One of the things I see in the in my amongst men in and outside the therapy room is people. Men Preoccupied Accu Pied with feeling there. Pena size is too small or not big enough right and they. They can't even talk about that openly with each other because then people make fun of and and then you know they have average size pieces. They'll they talk about the length and I say this that's average you know but they still have this feeling it small and you laughingly mainly with knowing understanding. See this. Is that correct definitely. I actually had a on on Couch few months ago who I was saying what you know talking about him and his wife around his own insecurity around PSI and his last like no. You're above average at the accident like you know what average is and he was. He was like seven. Like no I think well above average Depending on your study an average can be anywhere worth about five point one inches to five point six inches and late and he was like flabbergasted the fact that that would be the number and so much of that is built around the fact doc that we have of course stereotypes and Casey within African American. There's low thirty types of round African American men having larger pieces. But I also think in general enroll we have a lot of young boys than men who have literally grown up with porn matter access point and their fingertips and untypically young. And I'm working with right now. Who are or you know eighteen? Nineteen twenty these grown up with this literally on hand. You know something that you and I were older from the UN. I didn't have have access to right. I was a teenager when the Internet kind of became about. But I can tell you back in the day when I would look for porn at thirteen fourteen. It was literally you would download almost something. It would take a half an hour and you get five second clip. You know. Nowadays you search the Internet you can buy anything you WANNA turn those genre with an second and throw so a lot of these. Young men are seeing the super masculine bodies seeing super well endowed men and they're comparing themselves to that and there's still a lot of research research to be needed on this group of young men about how porn is shaving their ideals There's of course a huge to be you know in our In the field you know. Is there a point. Addition their porn problem for young people in Cleveland Porn Addiction. But I do think that horn shaped the way in which we look at our body. Yeah we feel better. Though and expectations we have about bucks. Yep and also I. Let's not forget that. Men only flaccid penises in the shower. So then they're comparing themselves flaccid. So you can't do that. I always say that you can't and people are shores and growers. You know like there's a whole host of ways of of knowing the size of peanuts and being comfortable from what's your own Yeah that's a great point and the reality is that people are you. Well you know the show or showing you know at four. Then you've got to be at least nine. No if you doing it for you might only be four point five right exactly. Don't actually get much harder than what they're showing will adversely. You might have awesome showing it like two and he goes to fix. Yes what would you say are you already kind of set a few but The main different experiences women have about their bodies than men do you yeah women. In general research shows that the biggest push is really to be thin. And it's really focused on that thin ideal veep having having a very small way having slightly larger boobs Having you know poppy a slightly More hourglass figure if a little bit more in vogue with with people like the Kardashians putting that out there Jennifer love Jerick. I'm Jennifer level. He actually Jennifer Lopez having more More but even those women. They're not they women. They just happen to have a really large Preston Butts but they're not big women and so they're still eating with them. That idea that you're supposed to be small. You know Khloe Kardashian has gone on famously. Talked about how she struggled with her body image quite in a bit but even with her when she was heavier she was still a gorgeous woman and yet the media like picked on her relentlessly. And if you can imagine that women women who are in the spotlight are experiencing that think about the woman at home who have bodies that. Don't even come close to that ideal. Yeah and you know what I started noticing in the nineties and then Mike and I my husband and I were started on cruises in the two thousands that you know I felt like the guy in the gay male community the guys were getting bigger and bigger they started to look the bullies that used to bully on the playground. Bully me in the middle school and high school and it was such a hyper masculinity. Can you speak to that. What's that about for? Gay Men is a different different. Yeah there's a huge penalty thing that keeps happening back and forth regarding femininity and masculinity so we saw in the seventies more around Cernan ideal body. Would you look at. They porn stars that were performing in gay male porn in the Seventies. They weren't big really been lean not like they weren't muscular. Then in lean guys we start to see the eighty nineties go about with those things that come client add With gave a the big advertising where you know. There's federal hints that they're the gay buyer with muscular statistics We start to push more court larger bodied as part of this also comes about through the eighty in a way of connecting to the HIV epidemic whereby people who were trying to not see the Tina having HIV positive would be focused on their jim body to kind of counteract the idea of sending this that was being anonymous animus with being HIV positive so in order to curve that they would go to the gym out to gain muscle as possible and this start to kick start a new paradigm of. We must be a big muscular beautiful guys even today. We're seeing Recently In an article somewhere in the last ten years where where the writer talked about the fact that the line of the Arctic was between is dead and I don't know twitches typically a young hairless list mel very thin and typically associated with cement entity but not always and the argument of the author was making with the fact that even even now even though people are trying to be more socially aware trying to be more accepting. There's still this idea that this muster body need to be shown we're often and we can see it in celebrity even though Men like Justin Bieber and the Ephron aren't necessarily they're not gay but but both of them have very slender vs naturally they have crammed on it much muscle as possible to sit high Hollywood ideal and gay men on-time seal this well of course because we have people like background Justin Bieber who are straightening. We're doing this. We're also seeing this statement as well so oftentimes sometimes for better or worse. Gay people kind of set the tone for what straight people eventually end up doing in respect the game in the eighties ninety third focusing being heavily on the muster their body and then start to being a production. Now we feel that even if you're a young man straight or gay and you're thin we need need a crown on as much as much as possible or you're not going to be considered one of the things I've always struggled with as a man is. I'm Super Harry. Sorry I always joke that if I stayed in my mother's womb. Another half hour. I'd be a true bear. Redrew COBB and you know we have in the gay male community there are people who is the daddy atty bears like I'd be considered a daddy bear today but I hated it and so I would always like I've been waxing like my back is so Harry I look like I've shoulder pads. I have so much hair here on my shoulders and it hurts like thought to get somebody who have waxing your back. I mean out and finally I just said I can't do this anymore. I don't like it doesn't feel good and so I I do. I shave myself. But the point is in the seventies being Harry was was okay in here. He was in porn but then it went away away. And that's what shamed me and even on the cruises I wouldn't hang around the regular parts of the boat I'd go to where the bears hung out right because the bears were all area and I felt like more comfortable only in the last few years have accepted the body here. And I've seen when I take my shirt off. Gay guys are like that. Harry Body is hot as hell. We're why do you hide it. So do you feel like that's changed too. I would definitely. I would say that when I was a teen. So in the ninth. Even out of twenty two thousand I would say through the ninety into mid early two thousand when you were waxing everything as much as possible and then they're slowly become this kind of change of go into that that first decade of two thousand and into our current decade. We start seeing a little bit more of like ooh hair can be attracted. I would argue that. It started maybe like the beard and we start seeing much more bearded people now. I'm knocking of your currently And and the reality they think I think it's become a much bigger trend. And then of course the Batman becomes. ooh There's something sexy about a man with a Harry. Body Mass Men L.. Specht of hairiness had now become invoked. Even if don't have that super muscular body but if your hair yeah you can get them masculine points and and Beauty Point Just for being Harry. That's exactly I never thought about. That's exactly what it's connected to and I'll tell you had women say to me. Oh I don't like Harry man and I wouldn't be into your body. You're hearing I'd say to them. I'm just glad I'm gay then. Because so many editor my body. You don't have to be in my body. What can men do they? They have a healthier body image. That's a loaded question but nothing that they can start to talk about it. I think you know just being table to converse with others who are feeling that state rusher in a huge relief. I think one of the biggest thing I offered to men in therapy. It's just a chance to talk to another male. I think that piece of it and just being able to have for lack of Kermit Cathartic release each of I'm holding all the in help so much helping them to understand. Deeper emotions is another big piece. I've you know someone who works for a lot of men like men to hold their motion that the anger frustration down and trying to get them to go deeper can be big challenge. Then one one guy that with Britain with your day started to cry like I got up like teaching my off a little bit fearful of like crying in front of me and I normally at that. But he's still got up to the thing and the reality is that just getting into the spaces that huge part of it. I also think one article I read when doing my dissertation either talked about the power of truth presentation whereby if we can show people how these photos how images Manipulated if we can show how the actors go and get ready for these roles for the high degree of perfection Yes then start feeling better about her body. I guarantee you if you were to get people like Chris. Hemsworth or Chris Evans or corresponds any. Yeah the Christmas You know to talk about how they're by are typically on a given day Yup versus how they are they go into these roles they would tell you that there you are not the this big. I think I think what Cretan birth. Who Talk about the fact that you know his arm getting a couple of inches? Every time he plays Thor Otherwise down yeah when Hugh Jackman Straight all the Decided to work on. I I think it was the most recent Maureen movie. He talked about the fact that he once again had his body bulked up more than he had so previous roles and he had the big dude. So there's this constant pressure and I think more of these celebrities to go out and talk about. Hey this is all the things that we do to manipulate our body to actively work and get to that place that is so helpful and I'm GONNA plug into ticker who's a Philly boy rob mcilhenny. Who Does if always in Philadelphia Guia Claes knock on the show and recently posted a picture if you probably back now? Point him in a really muscular body. But he said I can't don't had this funny caption and then something in fact I don't think why everyone can you know get a body like I mean. It's totally reasonable to have. Twelve hours has constantly monitoring their food. Not Eating my car but really dictated like in a joking way like yeah This week that he has right now. He's not realistic. For Ninety five percent of the world. If why only the argument around somewhere between five five and ten percent of people have the physique because it's just not reasonable. I can tell you if someone who would want the personal trainer many years ago I am aware where the shape that I would have what that like twelve fourteen ago Nowhere near that shape because I was working with my clients at the time well between session and I bought like my job so I had my body a possible I don't have that lifestyle now though. It's not realistic. Takes effect that kind of thing body as you know. I I appreciate what you're saying and I do appreciate when celebrities Take pictures or Say An admit. Hey this is how I look and between like Ben Stiller. You know he's more. He's great but when you see them in movies. Here's dark when you see Ben Affleck and between films he's got had a little gut on him and when you see him in another the next film he doesn't and it's true and it that's one very good way to learn that and understand that body Liam about your body image but I like what you said finding other safe men to talk to and be able to say hey. Do you feel this way too. Because most men don't do that women do that women share their But each other's bodies but men don't and they would often say if we're GONNA talk about their bodies do it in a healthy constructive way the article I read my dissertation talked about how game and oftentimes talk about their bodies. But they do it so onto the negative way they start beating up on themselves and the facts. He's not pro Keeps this prolific rare or of the body ideals like oh I'm fat and meanwhile they have like no body that forever I actually received a small clip TV show like the New York and there was a guy on there Austin M source that. He went on like celebrity big brother. Anyway he was had a moment where he takes off his shirt. And there's the guy who next thing before He takes the OH. He's got a great body where I leave. I thought great buddy but he's fat and then when you see him like like not even close to like he might have like maybe a little tiny bit of skin that you could have patched like that kind of thing needs to stop and we need to start really fate. Nobody you look good. Hey great work they zooming on your body. Yes recognize Dave bad it happen you know do you. I think the answer to this women will always say how mean they are to each other around different things. Do you think a manner as mean or meaner or yeah I I think I think they share that in common I think women can be very very vicious to each other Behind each other's back actually even like below each other Or really picnic. Pick on each other and partly because they're not feeling good about themselves and gaming definitely do that as well they will call each other. Fat McCall Each other derogatory term and a lot of done in a loving way. We we both know the concept of shade. You know you're giving something bad to somebody but but in some ways it's about love and affection and then what happens. Sometimes it's intended to be and then I ended up actually being hurtful And so that huge factor are in all that as well I love. What would you say we're GONNA come to a stop in a little bit? Is your main message to men. I think my main message to men would be we feel free to talk about what is going on for you internally whether that is about body image concerned whether it's about pink concern whether it's about rectal difficulty concerns burns whatever that might be talked to someone go to a therapist. Feel like you can do this and not just for females That talking into your other friend is really important. Start working to break down this. I didn't code of silence that is among men where we can't talk talk about what's going on for us the more we can talk the better. We're all GonNa feel the more society will change in a positive direction and it doesn't Kevin had to be all sunshine lollipops row these. You know her like everyone is in a crisis situation it can just be like. Hey I'm having a really really hard time you might listen to me for. I really like the idea of breaking the male code of silence because that's true we are taught as little boys that code and then we commit it to that code and stay loyal to it throughout our lives and hopefully this podcast will and your work will help open up even more. I really appreciate you being here. Where can people find find you online? You can find me on my what state at Chris. Wilson PhD DOT COM. They can find me on facebook and Instagram At Chris Wilson all right. Thank you so much Chris for being on the show I really. I knew it'd be great and it was better than great and I appreciate you being here. Thanks so much for the opportunity and appreciate being on the show all right. 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Defense For The Indefensible

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43:25 min | 1 year ago

Defense For The Indefensible

"Hi I'm Dan Dan. The host of what we're drinking with Dan done to show that mixes history culture famous people in Booze and strains at through the cognitive mesh of myself hold gray matter on the latest episode. We blow the dust off an old jim of an interview. I did with Rob mcilhenny Glenn Howard Tan and Caitlyn Olson. It's always sunny in Philadelphia to gang. An I discuss a whole range of topics from Rob's love casts caitlyn's amazing beer-chugging skills and hangover avoidance tips from Glenn. The secret really is drinking of top shelf. Liquor occur and mixing it with tons of water. The best drunk is to drink Tequila all night top-shelf skew all night and do it in shots and drink water will your that America near that American. Ah Top shelf top shelf sleeping hyperbolic birth also on the show. Cecilia Betselem A- Holland. Still thank the L. A.. Based Foods brand owned by actor Walton Guardians Sicilian. I will fill you in on everything. 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Thanks Mostly chores hours and just puttering around the house pretty much But got some good sleep and good rest yes aim. I have been like trying to get my mental health back in in order after a tough couple of weeks. So shot you guys if you also feel that But Disney plus has really helped I have basically he been watching nothing but children's three days and it's really helped my mental health. I've watched so many of my favorite movies from childhood and adjusts has lifted. My mood immeasurably like did you see Bettenhausen. Broomstick broomsticks watch some of the the mid nineties classics. That was good to watch a little more made and watched a little poke honest honest which Oh God. That's so problematic. But it's still good movie Ryan really into all the old link you know. The baseball movies like The Kid hid the has like the fucked up arm. That makes them like throw really fast. Like outfielder ear. He's like yeah. I watched gus switches a movie About of a donkey that plays football. I remember it from grade. School used to watch that and then go out to the bookmobile Used as a frozen my wife watched frozen for the first time. Oh there's the second one I do which lake to be honest with you. The plot but the songs are great individuals are great. UH-HUH I one of my favorites but it's it's pretty cute. Yes being agreement Little Olaf Guy. Yeah yes The peanut butter Falcon Shiloh buffs. This new movie. Oh I think he posted about that. I think you said it was awesome so good. I have such a crush on him but he seems so crazy biggest crush on him after this movie. So if you so like like the he is so like just a great fucking person in this movie and butter west and peanut butter Falcon. It's about It's about a boy with down syndrome. Who is like escapes? Basically basically from this home that he's just not fulfilled in at all and Shaya find him and they wind up doing like a road trip on foot together sort of thing and it's just like it's just such incredible movie. Okay doubt now like new. It is Not In theaters. But you can rent it. I see. Yeah it's so good we'll check it out. Yeah that is our self care portion of the podcast and now to the News which by the way used to be extremely an excruciatingly depressing but he's starting to pick up and become a very very Satisfying so Let's do it. Let's hit the high notes hot notes. Yeah all right. The first thing I wanted to cover is the thread Seth Abramson put out this morning breaking down a top trump ally. John Kennedy revealing trump's impeachment defense probably on accident to Fox With his experience as a Defense Attorney Seth I discusses how to even begin to think about crafting a defense for the indefensible essentially an unwinnable the criminal investigation He says Americans are being told on television. That trump has no defense. And that's patently false I agree with that there and I have posited that they have several defenses. This is such a saying trump. Did these things. But they are impeachable or that he did not have corrupt intent. I do not believe those things to be true but they are nonetheless. Defenses and says He actually has a very viable defense. trump does and it was revealed like I said on Fox News by Senator. John Kennedy. He's such a guy really really dumb guy But here it is is for trump to be authorized to withhold. Military aid does not need to be correct in his belief that you created Clinton he only has to show their some evidence of that it was never investigated and he consistently has been worried. Read about it Knowing that it's important that the media debunk this defense. Conclusively before it hits the Public. That's why I'm here talking about it and to that end here is is a list of things. Trump does not want you to know as he preps this defense for the public for public consumption. And it's why I'm covering it. That's why we're covering here in the lead in today's episode I I Trump's candidacy was endorsed by a ton of countries including publicly and formally from Hungary and the Czech Republic and implicitly by Russia North Korea and Egypt and high level authorities from France The Netherlands Israel and more and this matters because this new defense hinges on the idea that any public statement of support for Clinton by Ukraine will legitimise his his defense. So trump will focus on pro-clinton anti-trump comments from Ukrainian officials saying that he thinks foreign endorsements are corrupt particularly foreign endorsements thousands of Clinton despite him getting all those endorsements we just mentioned also it makes sense Ukraine would support Clinton because trump was trying to take lethal aid language out of the Republican platform and campaigned on it and said Russia should face punishment for their invasion of Ukraine. So it makes sense that Ukraine might be like We like we like Clinton and it's it's amazing that every Ukrainian politician didn't come out publicly to support Clinton after that though they did not it was just it was a few Further trump he says that Not only do these Ukrainians. He will say that not only did the Ukrainians come out publicly for Clinton and that's bad and corrupt He will say they actually helped her by passing zing information to the DNC through Alexander. Chiluba Chiluba was a well-paid DNC consultant. Who was secretly passing information from Ukrainian nationals to the DNC but her work was about manafort not not trump and she'd been investigating Manafort for free pro bono since way before trump announced his candidacy for the office of the president so the DNC never asked her to get the phone phone never used it in its materials and it's unclear that Any information the embassy gave to Chiluba wasn't also given to reporters publicly and Chiluba stopped working for the DNC in June of two thousand sixteen before trump was even the nominee. So that's right. There is is a Defense Chiluba. Stop working for the day. Before trump was even a nominee not to mention MANAFORT's activities in Ukraine had nothing to do with trump according to trump member that whole. Hey they're getting him for tax stuff way before he it worked for me. This is Ukrainian stuff before I was even there. He's done it a million times during MANAFORT's trial. So why would he care if Chiluba helped expose them at least of all manafort was found Guilty and trump fired him when the Ukraine connection came out in public. So you know when you hear Chiluba was looking into manafort you response could be. She she stopped working with the DNC BEF- before trump announced before trump was the candidate before he was You know one of the primary Trump said manafort Ukraine activities. which he's in jail for now had nothing to do with trump? In fact you could say Chalupa helped trump by aiding him in removing a criminal from his campaign. which could have heard him damaged him? Seth Seth beliefs as from the back from Abramson threat. Here that trump will say black. Ledger was forged by the Ukrainians to help. Clinton win the White House. This is refuted by the fact that one MANAFORT's in prison for that shit too. There's no evidence of a forgery and three Russia did far worse to help trump There's your three arguments there trump We'll also lean on the old Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world TROPE and he always thought they needed investigating and justifiably upset That's why he withheld the aide. That's what he'll say. Trump will also try to inflate the crowd straight conspiracy with the Lupu evidence to pretend they're the same thing they are not. And of course none of this defends against offering a White House meeting or pence's presence at the presence at those alinsky inaugural or trade considerations in exchange for investigations. That's just for the military aid stuff in a letter. Friday from Rudy. Giuliani Lindsey Graham in the Senate. Judiciary Committee That was released on November that was written on November. Twenty second says they need to look into Ukraine Supporting Hillary and says there are at least three witnesses with direct evidence of the Democrat criminal conspiracy with Ukrainians to prevent Donald Trump from being president with the alternative to remove him from office based based on contrived charges. He says he's got these three friends but the US embassy in Ukraine is refusing to grant them visas so that they can come testify. He'll provide the names to Lindsey Graham. AM He says. I'll give those names to you and in other big weekend news. New Documents reveal pompeo's role in this whole thing. The documents were released late Friday from a foia lawsuit from watchdog a group American oversight and they indicate that in emails pompeo spoke at least twice by phone with Giuliani in March and Giuliani was urging This is when Giuliani was urging being Ukraine to investigate the Biden's running the smear campaign against you on a month later pompeo ordered her removal or to be recalled. The documents also show the State Department sent a member of Congress. Deliberately misleading message about your department after they asked about pressure on her. These documents pompeo right in the middle of the efforts by trump and Giuliani pressure the Ukrainians to announce investigations into the Biden's and the crowd strike thing This release comes as Pompeo continues to refuse to hand State Department documents to the impeachment inquiry but now we have maclear paper trail from Giuliani to pump to facilitate the smear campaign against Ivanovich. And the documents also bolster testimony from Sunlen that pop. The POMPEO had full knowledge of the campaign pain and even approved certain tactics. The emails also show homepage was scheduled to call Nunez just a few days after he spoke to Giuliani and the documents include the memo's of claims made by appear of Ukrainian prosecutors. That Giuliani sent to pompeo in that calligraphy parchment envelope containing the trump hotel branded folders. That that whole thing that they called a big meeting to discuss And the memo show. That partisan Freeman were in the interviews conducted by Giuliani. Both of them are now indicted as we know and speaking apartments What did we learn from the daily piece? This weekend Jordan Yes so this is great. Yes it really is that in the daily beast by the way is just like fucking kill and chilling it at yeah politico and the daily beast right now or just visit. Inga Yeah plus thank God So reporting by the daily is showing. That left Parnis was present at a meeting earlier. This year between Giuliani Linski aid. Andris your Mac that took place in Madrid Giuliani introduced him as his associate slash colleague and probably said his name mm-hmm but I didn't remember it and remembered again when I saw left Partis- face on TV and thought that this face looks familiar. So that's a statement from your Mac to the daily Beast Goes goes on to say but we didn't have a conversation. I only spoke to Giuliani and Arneses. Attorney has confirmed that he was in fact at that meeting so it is not hearsay. That one hundred percent happened he was there so I think that we really just need to hear from harness and I hope that the Democrats call him I think. Do you think they'll call him as a witness in the Senate I don't know he's depending depending on if it because this is like in the Senate trial yeah because I get it depends it. They haven't really talked about Giuliani as much as I would expect them to considering. What a crux he was the Republicans might just because he's such a crappy witness? Yeah I guess so but I mean if he was there though I would think he could provide testimony on exactly what Giuliani was saying. Yeah and not to mention. He's also been subpoenaed and this is in the house for his documentation his documentary evidence showing these connections. So it's like kind of like a Rick Gates scenario where the man try. They didn't believe him but the juror you know they're like that guy's a piece of shit criminal asshole wife Cheater fuck face but what he did come along long with wasn't just as testimony was all the documentation to back it up and the jurors were like. That's what we convicted Manafort on was documentary evidence. Yeah so I guess unless they were actually recording the conversation Asian or something or they were notes taken that maybe they could provide then. Maybe it wouldn't actually bundlers. Sorry go ahead. The parnassus lawyers that they do have text messages and other documentary evidence recording or whatever just from their various because obviously it wasn't just this one now right yeah but But I his attorney said Mr Kearney's traveled to Madrid to meet Rudolph Guiliani where he attended Rudolph's meeting. They don't know what do we never hear them referred to as Rudolf rid off the APP for where he attended. Rudolph meeting with Zilenski. Zilenski aide Andrew. Your Mac and witnessed Rudolph pressuring your Mac on behalf of president trump to compels alinsky to announce that his administration was launching a corrupt erupt investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden and alleged Ukrainian meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. So that was a statement from his attorney. And that's that's like I mean what that's like the most damning sense you could get right before he attended his his meeting and Pressuring Year Mac. On behalf of president trump took compels Alinsky to announce bounce these things so that's Pre Crazy. Yeah and of course what swallow brought up in the impeachment inquiry about Nunez and how he's a fact witness s now and if this if this is true this is bad news not just this meeting in Madrid but he was specifically talking about I think it was another daily beast article Goldman. It was another debbie circle. Yeah Nunez. The Vienna meeting in two thousand eighteen. Yeah yeah with Shokhin. Yep that was the the reporting. That's why I wanted. I wanted to put into the record. Yeah Sh on talks. Talks payers talks Pales won't love it. They'll Choas coast goes to lead is getting to me. Talks pile. Dog Piles But on the tax dollars dime is this is what I was saying. Is that Nunez in company Trip over there over sixty thousand dollars was that we paid for. Yep So there you go great Extra Gr- not great Anatolia. No no you're awesome Nunez's please. He's in trouble we'll we'll be right back. 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You've been waiting for so had to write these dot com slash ag ag today. All right. Welcome back I wanted to touch on this interesting report from talking points memo about why. The Democrats seem to be rushing impeachment We know that they don't want to wait for the courts to compel witnesses to testify. That could take months so they seem to be ending the Ukraine portion of the investigation of moving towards articles to include obstruction of Congress rather than battle to to get testimony from like Pompeo and Bolton and Perry and Mick Mulvaney But Josh Marshall put it up piece and talking points memo with a possible explanation donations to why these Democrats are so willing to just get to the Senate trial The Senate trial will be overseen as we know by Chief Justice John Roberts and under the Senate Impeachment Rules House. Managers can issue subpoenas to anyone. Presumably Bolton imperium pulpit Pompeo Mulvaney A senator could object but rule seven provides that a ruling on such a question has to be made by the chief justice unless he refers it to a full Senate vote Senate then took the Senate is so very good So he can decide on items such as Executive privilege whether the crime fraud exception or co-conspirator exception to the hearsay rule. Apply or any waiver of privilege he would also rule on subpoenas for documents which we still have? We still been waiting for so house. Managers can can subpoena those and he can make that decision. The majority vote against it but talking points memo seems to think they would not and only a handful of Republican senators would have to vote to uphold. The chief. Justice is rulings so by moving direct. And we've got as we know you know the three senators who just recently met at the White House with trump Wasn't Murkowski Lisa Murkowski from Alaska. Who didn't get to get to go to that meeting? She I think she just wanted wanted to go home instead and Mitt Romney and and of course Susan Collins is the third senator so they could it would only take a few To it to vote and say no you know we wanna hear from these witnesses. No we WANNA see that documentary evidence before we just vote to acquit. The Guy without seeing all the relevant evidence ends pertinent evidence especially somebody like Collins who's in deep deep trouble in Maine And then of course Romney who just hates trump so by moving directly to the trial. They're they're saying here. That the dumps best chance to keep their robust obstruction of Congress article intact and get testimony from these top advisors without having to wait for the courts is to do this through the Senate trial and I think that's yeah. They're saying that's why they're moving so fast to get to the Senate trial the portion this portion of it on the topic of the concept of a trial in the Senate. I've been thinking when you have a trial. It is usually like an in a court right. It is usually under this understanding that there is a crime that may be was committed at. Maybe it wasn't in. The purpose of the trial is to determine if that crime did or did not happen right but then in this. They're calling it a trial but even if they find that the crime or impeachable offense did happen. What do you do when they don't even agree on that being being a crime or an impeachable offense can you? How can you even call that a trial? Well I think it's just because it's impeachment. There's just that's what the word is. Yeah because these these are the jurors and there's a judge on a decision will be made they aren't. They aren't here to determine if the crime was committed they could also say the crime was committed But it's not an impeachable offense. Yeah I'm just wondering like how chief justice is even going to frame the the onset of all of this you know we what purpose are even here for just to come up with. Maybe this thing did or did not happen. And then what the Senate Republicans still don't give a shit. Yes yeah I mean. Go back and watch the Clinton impeachment each mint because they were there. He lied He obstructed that was proven. But they said it's not an impeachable offense and they acquitted him. Yeah so it's kind of like the along the same lines so I'm actually going to go watch The impeachment of Clinton to kind of get my whistle. It get my coffee house ready for for what the impeachment trials GonNa look like And you know also Democrat other political considerations which I think should never come. I'm into the lexicon of why you're deciding to impeach a president but that you know there's a bunch of senators running for president that will have to be in this in this Senate trial and won't be on on the road campaigning. Oh No You know like but wouldn't being on TV. In an impeachment trial asking pertinent questions of witnesses in senator. Be a really great boost to your campaign like I don't know maybe that's just me. Yeah very interesting and Bolton tweeted this weekend end breaking his silence on twitter. Glad to be back on twitter after more than two months for the backstory stay tuned. He says claiming later the White House wouldn't let them tweet but he won the battle and got back his twitter account quote. We have liberated the twitter account previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation at NSA National Security Administration More as in the national security adviser more to come Bolton says the White House attached software to his twitter account and wouldn't give it back. That's the way that's the way boomer would would. They attached software to his twitter account and wouldn't give it back to him. So Bolton went on twitter they gave him back to them they went he went through twitter. Trump denied freezing the account of course and you were talking about that Jordan and the more she read episode that that came out yesterday about trump's interview on on Fox friends Of course Bolton hasn't said anything about the Ukraine impeachment hearing and as we know he does have a lot of information. I assume he's. He's not going to testify. Justify unless compelled by chief justice. Roberts and I'll save. He might save that information for his book so he can make money at the expense of democracy awesome. I feel like he's only going to testify. Once I don't know x number of people have preordered his book. He's like you to testify all right one million of we have to preorder my book and then I will have the RNC by a bunch. I can we start like a like like some sort of like like fundraiser. Like to like we can raise raise enough money to get enough of Johnston's books testify. Well not unless. He says he's going to do that or if he testifies and then just to jog his memory every your time just brings up. His book shows a cover. The cameras Yes the other thing we can do is just raise money to pay them to testify just being like two million bucks expert. Please testify right just like whatever. 'cause I mean if he's not testifying so he can. We sell books than then. Money is as motivational. Just raise a little money painted. Also gave him like twenty bucks to get mashed ask trim now he won't ever return that. No the UN ironic mustache. It is. The spam of mustaches signature. Look they're saying if you like that can be a JV and has a signature moustache. John Bolton has a signature moustache. I mean I think jd. Dans is better. But yeah but but Bolton's not doing Bolton's is on Ironic He's like huge hipster mustache but he doesn't mean to. It doesn't realize is what he's got. Yeah he's realize what he's not. Yeah yeah no idea of the moustache moustache totally. Would you say yuppies would kill for that. Mustaches Fascia I can't imagine what it's like not able to grow facial hair in the way that you want to. Oh Yeah rheinlander life every day. Sorry right yeah. He really wants like a full beard eared really badly but it just grows in super patchy so all I can all you can have just this little like mustache. Sorry yeah he's fine. That's one of those bio bonuses that you know either have or you don't have to deal with it in life. At least you have an option to grow facial hair and cover up whatever's wrong with your face that day yeah we don't have that our faces it doubt there. Oh yeah here it is Yeah that women's facial hair is a whole other conversation but it definitely anyway. Yeah we re remove. Were here than you think. We sure do not. Oh I don't that's one of my bio bonuses bonuses. I don't even really do anything to my eyebrows. Chin hairs once one. That's named Arthur. It just every once in a while just grows like an inch and a day day and I just have to. I had one for the longest time. His name was Gary Gary neighbors to well yeah but eventually eventually be annoying and we have to remove them. Yeah now I have an army of Gary's and Hair removal tools at my disposal. I`Ma Emma Ginger as you all know which means every hair that comes out of my body is red and I have one black hair that I've called black beauty ever since I was ever since I was like back ten years old. It's just like what he wears it. Well Okay I have to amend. It wasn't ten it was this warlike thirteen. It's a karate chair alright beauty so actually ask that question ask yeah actually are the best of them. Read Yeah Oh okay Yep cool with anyway. Women Superbra Kerber measures for. I'm like why is it so salacious did if I look at my eyebrows. Okay like why why would it be different inches unite all right time for Shoddy Freud. All right this is my favorite this week. We got a little glimpse into the Inspector General Report. That's going to come out of the Department of Justice. This is the thing that the the queue people have been saying will you know implicate Obama and McCain is going to go to get mo- and combs guilty. And they're all going to go down and we're going to be sorry. Rei because the indictments are going to start dropping. Hundreds of them. Hundreds of indictments Susan. Rice is going to be caught up in this and Loretta Lynch. It's going to be. Oh they've been twice and no The idea report says Everything was Legal very legal very cool and There was one mistake That where a low level. FBI lawyer added a line to an email in a FIFA warrant application for surveilling Carter page. This was renewable will not the initial phase application But even though that extra line made it in there it would not have made a difference. They still would have granted the Feis warrant and it was very legal very cool and of course all the Christopher Steele stuff very legal and very cool they also found out Determined that Mifsud is not a spy. Didn't didn't Frame up Popadopoulos Nothing was wrong with the origins. The oranges of the investigation crossfire. Hurricane So just just this just makes me so happy because the Q.. Army is just so sad. That's really it. And that's what shot and fights. Sean Freud is all about. It's going to come out before the Senate trial too. Yeah that's GonNa come out December ninth I believe that they are going. To have a Horowitz Inspector General for Department of Justice testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee. I believe on December eleventh to answer questions about his report both Democrats and Republicans. Get to ask questions about that. Of course the Democrats are GonNa you know hang onto the big picture findings. which has nothing was wrong with the investigation? Nothing was around with Pfizer warrants. Everything's legal Everything was properly done. No bias there. What they did find People who said biased things that we're working on the investigation but didn't impact hacked their work at all it wouldn't have changed at all Much like the struck in page Inspector General Report and the Komi Inspector General Report The you know. They said some wrong things. They did some wrong stuff. But none of it is illegal none of it's criminally prosecutable and everything is fine And that's what that's what it happened here and then of course I think that Actually I know that there was a criminal referral made about this client. Smith guy the one who added that line nine to the email. And that's what a couple of weeks ago they're like. Oh the investigation. The investigations is criminal. Now and that's where the queue people were like Obama's going to jail but it was just about this guy and his one line added to one email in one thousand page application. That was a renewal that was eventually signed off by Rod Rosenstein Anyway and it didn't affect the outcome or the F- The feis warrant that you know it's credibility at all so that's it it's just it's just fantastic and I'm excited so so we'll look for that testimony And of course the Republicans are GonNa find this guy altered documents and files a warrant Ma the whole thing. FBI should all go sink sink the FBI. So that's what's happening with. That tweet humid. I know I'm very excited about that. And finally for today let's get Social Hashtag. Today is Hashtag and I don't even know if this is trending check right now. If it's not it should be it's okay Bloomberg Because he has officially joined the race and I don't you have feelings the heavily over here. Because here's my three things go for it first of all because he Because of stop and Frisk which he apologized for so therefore acknowledging he did did it And thanks for the apology. That's great I mean not thank me but I'm not thankful he apologized for it and so he's is going to have a hard time. Getting the Black Latino vote for that for that You know policy and practice that he pushed He's not going to get any progressive votes because he's a billionaire It's it's not a good thing to be a billionaire right now. And he's he's just another rich white dude basically so he's he's not GonNa get a lot of a millennial votes I don't think either. I don't think he connects at all with one of the largest voting blocks in this country. which is which is the millennials? If we show that you will better on you better. I'm blaming you only use specific. I personally can't vote so I- absolve myself responsibility. No thank you note with your job as someone. You can't vote to convince people that they should take advantage of that is why why has he joined this race. It's so fresh and you know what I feel like look like I do not. Hey Joe Biden. I think there's a lot of great things about Joe Biden but I think the fact that Joe Biden is not doing as well as a lot of the people had hoped as part of the reason that Michael Bloomberg's in this race now because there are a lot of people and this is just true who would rather a Joe Biden or Michael Bloomberg get elected to protect their wealth liberal person. There's a lot of you listening. I'm sure you know like this is Easter and of course they don't want any Sanders and Elizabeth Warren Presidency. So that makes sense and hails also think that a lot of people think there's this issue of electability which I'm not gonNA pretend expert on but like I I within stresses me out the most about Michael Bloomberg entering the race is that He's not accountable to anyone with no small dollar donations and no grass roots effort behind him. He's only accountable to himself. You know and it's and it's frustrating frustrating at a and what makes the campaigns of progressives who rely mostly on small dollar donations what makes it more magical as they are actually. They are beholden holden to the people donating to them. And that's powerful. I think because it means there's a whole army people behind them as opposed to just spending your own money. I agree I agree with that. Yeah I can see that. Yeah I think you go ahead. Yeah I definitely do think that it's it's then taking Biden is kind of fucking up not doing nearly as well as he should be doing which means the doors doors open for another more sort of Biden fellow. Exactly an old white dude that people trust to meet certain status. Well because that's the thing there are some people who just want to defeat trump and recognize. There are problems but don't think there is essentially a need to overhaul certain things whereas the people obviously who are like more for for the progressive candidates are like we can't just be trump. We also have to overhaul a bunch of Shit like seriously radically so yeah. I'm curious to see how he does. not thrilled entering the race. Yeah on Trump's Fox and friends interview. I forgot to mention this on the molar shirt episode but he said that they asked assume who they think is going to be his opponent and he said if Biden can hold out mentally they think it will be Biden and if it's not bite and then it's it's GonNa be worn. WHO said trump? Oh on Fox and friends interesting. And his hour-long he did. Yeah if you want more of that interview Jordan does a great breakdown. It like the entire interview in the multi read episode Sunday. Yeah I think this is going to give like you said Edgy. Like progressives are not GonNa go for Mike Bloomberg and I actually think in future debates assists just GonNa Give Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders like even more fuel to their fire and to be quite honest with you. I think that ramp up you know like on. That's okay. I was just saying this. Just this kind of makes you wonder if like If Bernie was an war and were like please do please get into the ring. The Mugger thinks he's doing that thing from the Matrix. Where you know? I'm I'm doing something you can't see. At least there was video in here so that come here come here just gives them more fodder. Honestly I mean that is they can drive that point home with him onstage. So so we'll see that's Bloomberg Coletta's no way curious. Yeah we're we're down to hear all sorts of opinions on this And how shake okay. Okay Bloomberg is not trending But I just decided it should be Sunday when we when we look at the Hash Tag I usually look at the Saturdays hashtags Ca Sunday. It's mostly football football games. Let her trending I do find it frustrating when someone like Cory Booker is having a hard time even staying on the debate stage and now there's going to be Bloomberg coming in having living virtually like no work behind him on his campaign and if there's a possibility that he can buy his way onto a debate stage but booker. Can't that pisses me off and I did what you did I. I don't need to booker and Kamla to to help see if we could just keep them in the debate and I think that the At the very earliest they they deserve to be on that stage. At least more than Bloomberg or star should be like top four top-flight. I'd say top five I love Kamla Kamla I do too. Yeah although I think I don't think Biden should even be in the top five right but just by virtue of him being Biden he's going to be also my Rudolph's Kamla is great I remember From an earlier episode which just keeps turning around this week on USA. It's just so funny. My Rudolph's wonderful. All right. That's our show. Anyone have any final thoughts. We've got a big week coming up It's GONNA probably be a little quieter. I think maybe maybe until mid December when we start getting all the I g reports and and then of course you know. We'll start seeing where I think they're going to go with the with the impeachment. If the DEM'S WE'RE GONNA wait a second which is what I would like them to do and see if they can get meg. mcgann's testimony. That decision comes today. Monday Whether or not he can justify it will go five hundred percent. All my beans on mcgann has to testify and that immunity is bullshit that absolute blanket immunity that AH trump keeps doing and that's going to have an impact on all the other hearings that they want That that where this immunity has been asserted including stuff in the Ukraine unstoppable. Either with Mulvaney in Perry and you know Bolton and all this absolute immunity bullshit. So that'll be that'll be over and then of course we can wait for the muller grand jury materials. That would take longer but we do have the information that we need from the stone trial. That shows Muller that shows trump lied to molar. I think that should be an article. At least it mentioned in the articles and we'll see if they wait a minute or just go full steam ahead to the Senate to try to get these testimonies that way And and and move move on with the elections and then and then sometime in the spring we're going to get all the tax documentation and information and that would just be used in the I guess in the election we also have to get past the hurdle of passing the budget. Yeah government shutdown shutdown. Looms yeah I think that's GonNa be the next big news cycle. Sadly that'll be you're right. That'll be it now that we're on the impeachment sort break while they're waiting for more information all right cool thoughts for you. Yeah kind of a random one. Actually I wanted to. I mean I'm sure this is somewhat of a PR stunt given everything. That is happening with impeachment. But I I did hear something about bill which was not entirely negative so I felt like it was fair to share that He announced a whole plan to address the crisis of murdered and missing indigenous People because There is something like ten times more indigenous people. The United States and the same is true for Canada versus Caucasian people yeah indigenous. People So yeah I thought that was that was interesting and Whether despite my feelings about Bill Bar I think this is this is great. I'm sure it doesn't go far enough but I wonder where that's coming from. I Yeah I don't know but anyway I it's. It's a huge. It's a huge issue in one I've been passionate about for a long time You know ever since I studied. I need Ever since my first university when I realized the epidemic of murdered and missing Indigenous women girls in Canada and the US and so. I'm sure it doesn't go far enough. I bet that is something that bill bars trying to do right now. Well well read up on that. Yeah that is I know My sister going to school in Canada first nations studies or dislike similarly to your experiences. Sounds Yep really a big part of their first year education and she was telling me when I went to go visit her. They have displays and unlike educational materials. All around the campus about it. Because I forget what it's called but there's like a specific route highway of tears. Yes where yeah. It's incredibly discussing common for people to for women. A lot and Dennis women to be kidnapped raped murdered. Yes yeah there's there's a huge gap between you know what the FBI works on In certain areas of the country versus other country and certain socioeconomic groups and other ones. But anyway it's just I despite my feelings about him Yeah this is great news. I'm an there are people from different. Aren't like tribal groups being like this doesn't go anywhere near far enough so don't get excited however it's an issue that I'm really passionate about so I wanted to bring it out. Yeah in fact if you would you do us a favour look look look it up. See what it's about And maybe On tomorrow's beans we can discuss a little bit more to see what maybe we think is missing Maybe how it could be more complete meet but at least talk about the initial plan or the initial policy and program that he's trying to put forward. Yeah I'd be interested to learn to see dilemma research Because I just don't trust that guy in her life. Where's this coming? I was like uh-huh starkly white people. White Republicans always get like Fussy when you bring up the like struggles of communities at our muscle not white yeah and so especially given our country and GOP's history history of of profiting off of taking advantage of indigenous people. I'm very curious to know what's in there in. What would compel him? You know this I can see all of a sudden had a plan to go after and look into the murder of black transgender women like. Where's that coming from? Because that's not your Gig so so But you know let's let's let's look into it and see what we come up with actively though if if it is truly a win for the indigenous community then that's really good. Obviously apparently while I mean again. I'll do my research into this. It's called the missing and murdered indigenous persons initiative and The criticism that I've heard heard of it thus far without doing a ton of research basically that puts money into the investigation part of it but not enough money into preventing people from being abducted in the first place. Okay so anyway. Yeah all these research on that but but anyway I just I just perked my ears up when I was just catching up on the news. Just because it's an issue that I care about. Yeah thank you. Yeah you're welcome all right. 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"Hello and welcome to the basement diaries. I'm your host Wesley till furred today is page fifteen of the diary. Can you believe we've made it this far? You know? I gotta say I have really appreciate those who have reached out to me and told me they enjoy the podcast. It means a lot to hear from you. If you do like, the podcast, make sure you leave a review on itunes and Stitcher. It just helps us get out there a little more. We have a lot of exciting news for the future. So before I get to the guest today. I just want to kind of take care of some of that housekeeping with you. So in a couple of weeks, I'm going to be launching a patriotic campaign. And for those of you who don't know what patriotic is it is a website where creatives can monetize their content and the way that they do that is offering perks to their listeners. So what I would be doing for the basement diaries is like new episodes of the. Basement diaries will always be free. Every tuesday. 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This is one of our big goals is to start doing live shows like shows in front of a live audience. Reading out at theater space at just like having a guest come up, and maybe me doing some stand up and some juggling to having some musical acts. You know, it's very emissions and probably something that won't happen for a little bit. But if you want it to happen sooner rather than later when you see this patriot page come up on my on social media, like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, make sure just to check it out and get those fun perks like old pages of the diary and checking in with west, and you'll be helping us out a lot and to reaching our goals for this podcast. Okay. So that was the little bit of housekeeping. I needed to touch on. Now, let's get into the actual episode. So we have Robert Hunter Bri with us today. A man he is so fun to talk to like, I I knew him from college. But we weren't like, you know, he was a couple years younger than me. So I didn't know him super well. I always thought I always had respect for my thought he was really cool. But I got to chat with them for about an hour down here in the basement. And may have we really hit it off. He's a really cool guy. We talk about artificial intelligence our favorite movies, and we talk about acting in Chicago. And he's been getting a lot of work in theatre. So he knows a lot. And he talked about the shows he's in and the shows he's going to be in. So make sure you support those he talks about him a little more in detail during our interview, I really hope you enjoyed this episode and make sure you keep an eye out for checking in with west this Friday and our patriotic page coming soon. Thank you all for listening and enjoy Robert Hunter Bri. Okay. Robert, welcome to the basement. All right. I always feel weird saying just Robert because your name is Robert Hunter, Brian is Robert hundred Bri. And I just love that name. Thank you of it too. I it just rolls off the tongue. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I get a lot out of my name. So did you always just go by that? Or was that kind of an actor choice of like, that's it for me. I've to to last names hunter and Brian. Oh, I always assumed hunter was your mental a lot of people. Don't know this. My middle name is actually Frederick so my full name. It'd be Robert Frederick hunter Bri. Oh, so where do the two last names come hunter is my mom's name and Brian's my dad's. Oh, God you where it comes from. That's the mystery behind. Wow. Name Robert hundred rise been revealed publicly mystery solved. Have you ever told this publicly before no never publicly declared it privately many times to intimate friends and socio? So you're an actor in Chicago. Yeah. I guess I am now. I guess you are so how long have you been in the city way before you answer that? Okay. Let's get into where you're from originally. Okay. Always lived in oak park. That's why I grew up where I went to school and really okay live with family park right now. So I went to school at ICU. And then as soon as I graduated I jumped right back in the moving with my mom and sister in oak park and still there the nice thing about it is it's very close riding the border of Chicago. Yeah, I live about a minute from the green line out. Great. I can walk there. It's like a block away from the Harlem green line station. So I just figured I I'm gonna position where I can be active in Chicago, Chicago work in Acton. Chicago while still living at home and not having to worry about paying rent or I so jealous of. Yeah. Because it's a good deal for now. It's like, my parents live in Springfield. There's for me. There's not anything to do in Springfield. That'd be a tricky commute. Yeah. That'd be actor. And then going to live in Springfield for a four hour drive every day both ways. Yeah. Yeah. It's not something that I wanna do. Don't think. Do you think anybody does that? You'd have it be insane. Saying, yeah, I would if I saw someone doing that. I would be like no we need to help this now orders. What would you sleep? I don't know if you'll be miserable. You'd have to have like one of those cars that just the Google cars. You could sleep on the ride home. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, maybe maybe I would do that once that technology is more available. Yeah. Or did you hear that story that wasn't there an accident with like one of those cars, I didn't hear about it? I mean, I've heard stories specific. I I don't remember the story. So since Kerr me, ma'am. Yeah. It's it is really scary. It's like even if it was proven to like work one hundred percent, I still wouldn't trust. I just don't I would still be. I am dry. I'm gonna drive. It's like it's almost like using cruise control. Yeah. I I don't use cruise control me because I don't trust it. I always like I'm going to go. The speed. I wanna go. I mean, obviously technology is very reliable, and we rely on it in so many different elements over life. But it helps to have a human involved can't be just technology. I mean, you take an airplane. There's somebody piloting the plane. You know? Yeah. Exactly. It has to be some robot. Yeah. I don't I don't trust robots, man. I don't either. But it looks like increasingly where rely or on a I can do just about anything. Yeah. I mean, they can order your food at McDonalds. They can perform heart surgery on you or something like that. If they need to I've heard they have that technology. They don't use it. But like most jobs can be done. Not only as well as humans was a robot. But better. Yeah. No human error yet. No human errors me, and you were talking about like surgeries. And stuff. I was listening to this podcast called Dr death. Have you heard about it? No one ever. So it's this guy who somehow graduated from medical school, and he did less than like one hundred surgeries and medical school. Okay. And you're supposed to do like over a thousand a while. And he somehow slipped through the cracks uses and I think killed like four people surgeries and four injured thirty three people. He's this. And it was it wasn't clear whether he was just really really horrible at his job and didn't realize it or if he was turning these people on purpose. That's really scary. And I think it's somewhere in between the so disturbing to me. But yeah, it's a it's a podcast you can find it anywhere. But if you want to subject yourself to that I don't know if I do I don't know if I can handle it. Yeah. It's it's a pretty pretty surgery. I'm looking at the doctor. On you. I heard about what happens don't put me under because I want to watch this guy. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Ooh. That's chilling bone chilling, man. While we've gotten this conversation started off, right, right? That's a good rabbit hole to jump into the bed. Yeah. Botched surgeries. So you grew up in oak park Judea, and then did you went to high school and everything all in oak park. Yeah. On our part. And then you decided to go to Eleanor state. I did. Yeah. Her school. What was that decision? Good theater program. Right. Yeah. All the plan out of all the places because I knew I don't weird path. I thought I probably wasn't going to be still doing acting when I was as old as I am now at high school, but I wanted to study in college because I knew I loved it. Oh, cool. I was experimenting with other double majors political science was one for a while. I ended up minoring in it. Finish a double major. Yeah. Because I wanted to do something else. I wasn't committed to the actors lifestyle. I knew jets hard live. Exactly. And I knew that. I was prepared. I figured I'm going to go. I'm going to study it in school and keep doing it for as long as I can because I love it. But I'm going to focus on something else. Professionals my attitude coming into college by also wanted to be in a good theater department. But I think the interesting thing about that is that you are acting more than you're doing anything else right now. Aren't you know, it's my job? Yeah. That's your job my client. That's really cool. How that turned out? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like you get in there. And once I was. I guess I think it was a little bit hesitant when I first came to ICU to get super into a theater department because I love theater, of course, I loved acting. It was a passion of mine from the beginning. But I, you know in high school, I didn't think of myself as a theater kid. Yeah. I did. But I didn't I wasn't super into that crowd. Most of my friends are non theater people. I see I liked it that way. Yeah. I didn't want to be a theater you don't want to like makes you don't want to makes with like you kind of want to keep things separate. Yeah. Because I didn't want to be one of those theater kids or people who can't really communicate with non theater people. Yeah. Or it's their entire life. And they have no connection with the outside world. I mean, it's so easy to get into a bubble of all these people. Honestly, it I s you. I felt like I did that sometime you to by the end. This is a crazy thing that came into their specifically aiming not to do a study theater, but I'm not going to be like a huge kid. I'm going to have other stuff that's important to me outside. And for the first year. I was pretty distant. I think in terms of the department didn't associate that much. I just went to the classes. But of course, by the time. I graduated I was immersed in it and like ninety percent of my friends there, and I was loving and getting super involved became my home. And that way, I'm interested. Did you also do musicals and like, dancing and stuff little in high school? But I was never talented enough to do it at the professional level. I see that. Now, I don't think I could man you seen musicals and the sort of performers the caliber performance. At the professional level. They're all triple threats that are all exceptional. And i'm. Serviceable at best. To like put myself through that. Yeah. No. I mean, I it scares the shit out of me. I can never do. I sing in the shower and sink. I'm rate, but I sound great in the shower. Yeah. And then I realize I'm tone deaf. Yeah. And I'm like if you were to just like come to the shower and hear me sing, and you could experience it through my ears and pass. You might yours is really was born to play leading roles in Broadway musicals. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like, the dancing part of it too. You know, like, obviously in the I'm nothing special. But have you seen me at the club? I have seen you see me the clove with seven good spire resell. But you feel like you're rockstar when you're in the club. Yeah. I love it. And you're getting down. Yeah. Because I don't think at all self conscious. First of all. Yeah. So you're probably like way more confident than you would be in your own and reality, maybe I am very uncoordinated. But I don't know that when I'm in the club, and I'm getting down. Funky. Yeah. Again. I love that. So you went to ICU, and then you did the Eleanor Shakespeare fest. I did. Yeah. Good times. Good times. Yeah. You you're an intern. There was yeah. That was a big very valuable experience for me. I can think pretty much everything else that's happened to my career at least partially on that first professional gig. And great. I mean it was rough. We are on paid. Yeah. And reflection. I would never do that. Now at this point. But at the time, you know, just your first gig. I know qualifications. It wasn't going to. Yeah. You want to train for, you know, getting those paid gigs. And I was young. I was before my junior year. Oh, wow. So you got that right off the bat. And then what was after that for you for the next summer? I had a similar internship with Arkansas Shakespeare theater or got to act with them. I'll wow that was amazing that one was paid paid. Well, actually, oh, that's great. And they put me up on the went down to Arkansas lived there for a few months. Acted with them. And that was similar. Yeah. It was great similar stuff. Because nice thing is they're both repertory Shakespeare summer stock theatres. Yeah. So I get multiple credits for one contract yet. That's the great. I did kind of a similar thing. We didn't get paid very much. But it was in Worcester. Massachusetts, I know that. Yeah. Yeah. It was a winter's tale. You were in the winner's jail hearing about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. Now is a lot of fun. I did that with like a reef. Joe Pfeifer, Janice. I don't know if you remember them before my before your time. But yeah, that was such a fun time. And like, we weren't getting paid very much. So it was like a struggle to get by. But it was like I was like this is like a beginner to the actor's own the the value in being a kid, a young student actor who's been college the department and getting to get out there and work and act alongside seasoned veterans. Because similarly to you, I was I think I was a junior as well when I got that right gigs. I was like, okay. On your own and like random town. Yeah. Just working as an actor like we would have rehearsals four times a week. So those three days we had. Okay. And it's like. Adventures. Yeah. So we you know, we would travel around Massachusetts. And that's really cool all that. I slept in my car once or to do that. Because it's a long story. If you go back to page, three of the diary with you'll hear all about it. But I'll tell you the slimmed-down version. Okay. So basically, the least from our apartment was going to be ending. So we were trying to see if we could renew the lease, and we checked with our landlord like three weeks in advance to try to see if we could do this. She emails us. Three days before lease is about to expire and tells us that we can't renew our lease how much time did you have left? The we had like a month. Whoa. My God, that's wild. So we had to figure some shit out. Host was the theater helpful. Did they like accommodate we we ended up sleeping on somebody's couch? Right. So and she was so nice to put us up, but for a day, a reef, Janice, and Joe they just bounced him went to New York for a few days, and I could not afford that. So I just slept in the parking lot gone. And roughed it for that night. Which was actually like I look back on that. And I can only spile was such a like it was such a four main experience you got to go through some stuff like that, you appreciate it more. When you reach a point where you're not having to do stuff like that. Yeah. Exactly. And. Yeah. So even though back then as like, oh my God. This is awful. I look back on that. And I'm like that was great. Yeah. I know you feel I mean, it's like, yeah. Man, build some character there. Yeah. Exactly. That'd be you know, making the most of a bad situation. Yeah. Exactly and sleeping in the car. Make you think I can imagine I've never never slept. I don't think I've ever slept in a car of slept in some north docs places. But here that I don't know. I just many many floors. Oh, Florida Florida's hardwood floors. Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. That's left him some wood floors. I've ended up some weird places places. I didn't anticipate ending up in. Wasted is much. Yeah. Yeah. Probably college mostly too much. I would say just just kind of being like not always having a plan. You know? Yeah. In college mostly, and that's when you're in college. That's just fine. You know? I mean, it's bound to happen living. It's your first time on your own. And you're exactly. Yeah. You just gotta get a little bit wild. And crazy. Yeah. Figure it out. Then you learn how to create your own stability. Yes. Yeah. Because you have to fail before you can succeed. And then you can appreciate the success more. You know, you know, the alternative you don't really like the alternative being hot mess all the time. Yeah. So we're we're advising everybody all our young listeners listening to go crazy and sleep in your car. Yeah. If you have a car, if you have I don't have a car if you don't have a car. Leaping someone else's. Yes. Someone in the car and find a way to sleep in it. Yeah. And you know, who knows what will happen. I think that's some great advice. I'm just kidding basement. Dwellers? I'm not I'm not kidding. I know you're not getting. Oh, okay. Cars. That's it's on record Robert is serious about this. And he thinks you should sleep in a car passionately series as many cars as. No, I don't think any of that just saying. Saying. So you're a big fan of movies, aren't you? Oh, I remember this about you. I my whole personality. So let's talk about some movies. All right. What movie have you seen recently that you really liked the movie that I liked the most saw recently was the favourite all I've been wanting to see that. I haven't seen it yet. Really, so good. I only do it my highest recommendation who is the director that again, I don't your goes length the most I think, that's yeah. That sounds right. You see the lobster? I I've seen half of it. That was him. I've told the. Back half of it is batch it crazy. It is. You know? It's pretty crazy. Yeah. But just more crazy. Yeah. So I need to finish it. I need to get through the whole thing. It's hard for me to watch movies on Netflix, though. I'm being honest. I would rather see it in theater. I saw I saw the favorite choice. Oh, did you a very brief span? Fact, I I liked it so much when I saw the first time then I wanted to see it again. And I couldn't get anyone to come. See it with me because. Just wasn't pitching very well on the people. I was hanging out with wanted to see it. And so I saw it by myself for the second time for the first is that I'd never seen him. We by self before. And it was on a Friday night. And I went by myself to the movie and popcorn which stupid because it's way overpriced him. Well. Yeah. Favorite by myself. Never I buy popcorn. I'm like, why did you do this wasted so much money? It was. Yeah. It was groundbreaking experience for me going to the movie by myself for the first time and time you ever onto. I never done that myself. I always go people, and I went, and why do you think that is I like to go to the movies with someone else? Yeah. I told us talking to my dad later, and I mentioned that too. And he said, that's how you know. You're an adult Robert we can discuss the movie by yourself and not care true. That is so true. Teen. I would go to movies by myself all the time. I never did. I always wanted to get people together. In fact, sometimes I would like drag people to movies they didn't want to see just 'cause I didn't wanna go alone. Yeah. So you kind of a person that wants to get everybody together. And have a good time. I think so gregarious I could definitely see that. I didn't realize until recently. I love people man person. Yeah. You were denying it all these years trying to be alert. I'm also a loner though, you know, as you go back and forth. Now, people are great, man. Yeah. There's this click whole article that I love, and I think I've actually mentioned it on here before. But it's. Eight signs, you're the unholy amalgamation of the amber. It's amazing. Points out. The irony of like everybody say like, oh, I'm an extrovert. Human. Yeah. We're all he married personalities. We go through phases of wanting to just hang out by ourselves and watch a movie and then like go to the club and dance and get a whole squad together. Yeah. Live in love life and enjoy hanging out with them. That's how I felt when I visited ISU recently. Yeah. That's why I always feel when I go down because there's so many people that I don't see any more than I used to see regularly. I really miss and just like as soon as they get down there. I'm just like, greedy and would need to see everyone to see as many people as possible can catch up with them. Did you have favorite spots in normal that you like went to study year like get away from the grind? Yeah. I would only study a Milner. It was my ritual. I always had to go to Milner to study. Find a nice secluded space by myself and get all set up. I would go there too. I mean, not just schoolwork. I would go there to work on plays. They had a great play reading selection there. Yeah. They really a lot of plays obscure place almost libraries probably don't have. Yeah. I remember going through all their they had a lot of Harold Pinter plays. That I would go through a lot. They got it all it's and I appreciate that. Now that I'm gone. It's hard to find a library with that level of play selection. Did you ever go to the old library like the abandoned library ever onto? I never went to that one. Oh, it is. So creepy. We fell see ago we filmed an episode and concessions. Did you see the ghost of Nowegian owner? I was hoping we would. But it was all dark in there. And the lighting was so perfectly creepy, and it's so weird to go in it and see like all the shelves just like completely empty, but they still have like the creepy thing about it is they still have the library carts. And they're okay. Like, the ones that you put the books on them and the librarian pushes them around. Yeah. Exactly. Don't want you to put the books back yourself because they know you put it in the wrong place. Yeah. So he'll not put it's kinda like we can do like like working retail. Yeah. I know you mean. Well, but you're not doing it. Right. Yeah. You're not doing right. Yeah. Just just don't leave it on the shelf again, the wrong place this ruin everything. This is my job. This is why we're here. Don't worry. We're getting paid. That's why we aren't. So don't try. What kind of day jobs? Have you had like a two main ones since I graduated. Oh, cool. I had a great one for a while that I love stupidly. It was I worked at because I was the same thing. I did for a while. And I was at ice you. I worked in the call center at ISU, we call alumni and ask for donations. How is that hard? I some people hate it. Some people think it's the hardest thing in the world because you get shouted at and people are angry you have to ask for money and kind of be a awful person love to defend those people like I don't think they should be rude to the person calling. Yeah. But it's like you spend so much money going to this. Yeah. Exactly. I understand where they're coming from. But I never took a personally quite the opposite. I sort of enjoyed it. I don't do that anymore. I've been doing dog walking lately. Oh, cool. And that's a very flexible. Yes. That's why I was attracted to it. I can also just take walks whenever I want. But I'm trying to transition into something else right now. I don't I'm over it. I don't think and also a lot of car. You got to remember. Yeah. Yeah. So I do it locally. And there's a limit on how much I'm in the same boat as you car here. I kind of prefer that to be honest. Good public transportation and public transit here so easy. And like, it's good. I just know if I would get a car, it would be a shitty car first of all because that's all I can afford things you have to deal with too. Yeah. Like, maintenance all that stuff. I don't want to deal with that parking. Yeah. It's just other unnecessary things to worry about. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe in the future, but not right now. But for dog walking, it's not ideal. It's the ceiling and how much can do when I have to walk to the walk in them. Walk back from the walk to the walk. I have to walk to walk the walk all the while. I can walk the walk. To the log in from the walk. Whoa. I think he's gonna do all the why can't well. That's me. I used to love walking. Yeah. I would go for like a forty minute to an hour. Walk just by myself at night before I go to bed all the time. And I would do that too. Yes. So therapy, so peaceful. Yeah. I felt I felt grandma would walk all around the campus. I still do sometimes not as much. So I figured I'm a Walker. I've always been a Walker. Oh, I'll just walk and get paid to walk. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, not. Yeah. But like do you like dogs as much as you like walking? I think I liked them both equally. But I I love I love cats the most I'm a cat man at there's a cat in this basement or what? Yeah, he's probably hidden in my closet, right? I didn't see him at his name's bandit. He's he's very chunky. Okay. Good. But he is such a foot. Boy. Okay. You'll have to meet him after we're done with this conversation. Sometimes why I'm having coversations he'll like skid by really fast to get to food because it's foods in the of you had them on yet. They have not yet actually doing you. Don't know what you have the perfect guest. I think in your closet. I'm gonna take that out of context. Just that food the perfect guest lurking in your. Yeah. A lot of ways that could go. Yeah. I loved to just be able to pull a guest out of the closet like just have a perfect, right? Here's it. Yes. Just waiting to emerge. Like, it's the per. It's in case of emergencies. Like if I don't have a guest like to come on the show. He's the under study. Yeah. Is the under study guest or she? He understudied guest you. Yeah. Not be a cat. Mayor idea is just getting to me, I really wanna really wanna make this thing. I mean, I have great conversations with my cat. Mat. Is there anything else talk about other than cats? I'm trying to think the music anything other than cats. Let's say while we talk, let's talk. Let's talk either. Because now you're kind of more in the thick of. Your professional acting career. I am it's wild, man. Yes. So tell me about this show that you're in right now. Look, I'm currently under studying show at first full yo theater in oakbrook. It's called the firestorm. It's relatively new show. I believe it was produced a couple years ago at cedar wit. But it's it's I don't want to spoil too much. And we're still figuring it out. I'm gonna under study. So honestly, I'm not in the show. I'm an external under study. Oh, I have to learn I'm leading one part. So it's a very good gig. Oh, that's great. Yeah. I just have to learn the part, and, you know, go to the understudy where her cels, and so you're not guaranteed a shower or anything, very likely will not perform, okay, unless something goes wrong. So can you tell me what what is what's the definition of an external under study? You're not in the cast. Oh, when I did Illinois Shakespeare festival we were in. There were three main stage shows we were into we also understudied for those shows for bigger roles in the third one. We were external because we weren't in that show. We did under study for it. Oh, I see basically means I'm not guaranteed any performing unless the guy who I'm under studying as issue. I have to go on. But as opposed to like, we see theater where Don Sombor actors or the supporting actors also understudied the bigger roles. Oh, okay. I like it this way give you only have to learn one part. Yeah. That's not bad. Learn several parts as you sometimes do. Yeah. And then you just kind of get to soak up everything that's going on around you. I mean, is it really have. You learned a lot from just watching everybody in the cast. And watching you to be honest, really? We haven't started are under study rehearsals yet. Oh, I see. And they're very laid back about how often you have to attend rehearsals. Oh, that's great. They're using your time. Yeah. Exactly. They're very kind about that. So for me, I'm just kind of digging into scripts for the most part and learning about the character in my interpretation. Okay. Which is nice. It's first starting position. But once we get more into the thick of it, and we're get into tech. And I get into my understudy rehearsals. They'll probably do a lot more active work out. Great. Yeah. But I have another one coming up after that. Let's hear about this is very exciting. And I don't know if Malala to talk about this. I probably okay throw caution to the wind. They haven't publicly made any announcements up. I'm going to be doing this summer. King Lear red twist theater home very exciting. I love king metoo. It's one of my favorite shows. I'm really glad to be and I'm very nervous dumpling Edgar, and that's like I did a monologue at gears monologue won the Tom. Oh, yeah. I was running away. Yeah. Yeah. That's that be audition. Mike god. That is amazing. I'd love to see you in that up. Please come I'll make I'll tell you about it all the info it's going to be. I'm very intimidated by that role. It's tough. We don't start hertzel's for another two months, but I've already been working on because it's like crazy challenging I mean the texts that they give that guy when he's pretending to be insane. And it's just like so complex and dense. And it's yeah, I'm very excited for it. And I'm nervous. I'm very terrified. There's just so much going on in that on a logic. Good. Yeah. Yes. With the character is like I mean, that's show itself has I'm excited because there's so much going on in it. I just saw show their register your last week. And it was excellent. I wasn't. I've heard a lot about them. I've never show it's called you should see this one. It's called her land. It's a it's a new play. I saw preview. I recommend checking that out. In fact, I'm going to just go here and plug it right now. It's it's really great quality work. And I'm when's it running until, you know, don't I should know. But I think it will run through April. Okay. I think it'll be still running in April it opened officially last weekend. Oh, great. But it's a great place all female cast. It's about a young woman who recently graduated from high school who goes to work in this internship for these older woman. And it's are you a Bruce Springsteen fan, I'm not a fan, but I know his work. Well, it's very heavily influenced by Bruce Springsteen all very cool music because it's the premise is that she's working her this lady's ex husband's garage or he used to play his Bruce Springsteen cover band. Yeah. That's all right. And it's fun is tons of Springsteen music and references and stuff, and I enjoyed that. Because I. My mom's a huge Bruce Springsteen. Did you take her to see I didn't have problem come on shit? I should when I'm not a good son got while. It's still open. So you've got to take her to take her leader. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it's a great great performances in great company, but it's a very small space. Yeah. King Lear is a big big cast. How that'll be really end. There's a lot of active stuff happening. How they deal with that. Yeah. I'm very little blackbox theatre yet. Okay. Yeah. I'm excited for that. So you said earlier that you were a political science minor political science minor. What was your interest in that? I liked politics. A lot back in the day. I'm not actually very into it now because it makes me so unhappy me sad. It's so miserable. Yeah. I can only get so involved. But I was fascinated by learning about them political systems but in on reflection. I think it was the people that were interesting to me. Yeah. So much visited revolves around. How who people what people's values are and how they're influenced and how they interact with each other. I think that was just that that human aspect of learning how how power is developed and passed around in a range and the way. Kind of lanes wage. It's great the rhetoric is fascinating. The intelligence did statistics and stuff is all fascinating. But I thought I don't know at the time when I wanted to double major in police I thought maybe I'll go to law school in the future. And I thought that that would be a good pre law major. Oh as well. Yeah. But you can see that's not in the cards. What was your what was your interest in studying law? Then was it to make money or was it like parents lawyers? Oh, your parents are both lawyers. Oh, very cool. So tell me about the stuff they do at work. I actually I'm very interested in grew up hearing stories, so what kind of layers are your parents. My dad is a pretty wide range of different types. A lot of consulting and stuff like that. My mom works for the state of Illinois. She's works in tax litigation. Okay. So a lot of slaughter like dealing with tax exemptions. And that sort of thing and deciding whether or not people are granted them. I don't think I can reveal too much. Yeah. Well, can you grant any tax exempt status in the basement diarrheas basement much of your income comes from donations? We don't have any income good. That's good zero an count. You would you would you describe yourself as a charitable organization charitable. And what since you do you participate in any charity worker? I am nice to people. Oh, that's good. Yeah. We're working here. We're cooking. Nice to people. I don't give them anything like monetarily speaking, you give them entertainment for free podcasts. I offer a free pot podcast right now. We're not making any money. So there are no ads either. So you can listen to add free good. So you're not getting any income from heads to. That's good. If you win the exemption in your non profit, right? Yeah. Okay. You know on gathering the information, you give me I would say, I have no idea. Don't know what I'm talking. Profession tax exempt, and it'd be like well for one hundred Bryce has your organization paid any taxes yet. And now, I think it's safe to say that you may have slipped under the radar might be tax exempt. That's awesome. Speaking of taxes. Oh, have you paid your taxes yet received almost forms you saw? Oh, yeah. Because you probably have a lot of forms from so many different companies. Well, you know, what happened to me was that? I. I got my W twos from my day job. And I did those and I got my return was pretty large. But then I forgot that. I did all this extra work. For like empire and shows like that. Oh, you did. Yeah. I did on for you. And I I, but I got the W twos in the mail like a few days ago, and it was like shit. I already filed my taxes. Now, I have to go back and filed refile can you do that? I don't know. I was hoping you would know since I lost my mom. Yeah. Ask your mom. We have your mom on the baht. It'd be great. And then I'll just ask her tax questions. Really great on podcast. Let's get her on. All right. I'll talk to her about it. Yeah. It's going to teach young listeners proper. What you know that is something that is very important. And they don't learn in school. We don't learn we it was touched a little bit and additioning class. But did you as we had that guy coming until us? What things you can write off as an actor? No. Oh, you didn't. We didn't have. We had a guy come in. And it was great. Yeah. Man. If you want you can. Spin it because most of us are getting pretty poor anyway, so they're not gonna get it with too much scrutiny and be like you can be like, Amen. This. Netflix subscription I had here. Character research. I have to watch these performances. So I can learn more about my craft, and you can write movie we took it to millions research, man. It's all transportation stuff as well haircuts. Right. Didn't think about that? I think haircuts account. Why find out you can't do? It was upsetting to me is gym memberships, oh, I'm hardcore workout addict. And I Jim is like us thinking if I can be like, I need this is part of my career. My my body is part of my product is an artist, and the they said, you can't do it. Because if you're playing a role that is specifically required to have a certain body type more often than not they will hire a trainer for you. And they'll take care of it. You can't write off gym memberships, unfortunately, would you ever get like really heavy for a role. What kind of heavy muscular really beefy and not like like just really like a fat sack of garbage trolling unless I was going on godly money. Yeah. You wouldn't like Christian bale? I would never going to die. He's going to drop dead one of these days. It's hard. It's just going to be like, man. I can't do. No. It's I mean, the transformations are I mean, they're pretty incredible. But it's like why you see the machinist. Yeah. You leave skeleton? Yeah. He's like my height, and he was like one hundred and twenty pounds. And that is how tall are you? I'm six one six one. Okay. How does? Yeah. That's ridiculous to me. And he did it. I think you read that he would eat a can of sardines and apple everyday and nothing else. Oh my God. And then, of course, after that, you know, within like a year, he turned it around and bulked up got super buff and muscular for Batman begins. Oh, yeah. That's right back to even got so buff that they said he had to lose weight because he was too buff to play Batman. He got. He went from being emaciated possibly skinniest, man. I've ever seen wasn't dead. And he turned it around from that to being to buff to play Batman who's like one of the buffs people ever. I mean, it's too much man. I can't imagine what goes on and that man's head get himself to do this stuff. It's funny to this makes me think have you seen the new season of it's always sunny. No, actually, I haven't oh you have seen the one before. But I haven't seen the nearby. No. I don't MAC got Jack. Yeah. He gets really. But I loved the joke in it. The joke is. He got really buff. And nobody gives a shit. He like doesn't really ever have a shirt off except for one episode that yet. Think that? Yeah, he tries to tell you. Yeah. Whatever whatever cares. So yeah, I just and I heard him talk about it on a podcast too. And he was saying like, yeah, we, you know, I see people get buff for like the most ridiculous roles. Just because they know they're going to have their shirt off. Yeah. So they feel that which you know, I would probably do this to like 'cause self-consciously whenever I've gone through a couple of times. Yeah stage. And that was always phase as the first one was that. They don't wanna shakes. Oh, really? Did you like were you like, oh now that I know that I'm Joan on shirtless. I have to beef it up a little while had already was nice because I had already been in a groove. Right. Had gotten started out regularly working out a lot. Yeah. And then once I find out that I had my short. I was like, well, I mean it now I don't really go for man. It was. Yeah. I mean, you just just the self-consciousness instinctively. You wanna? Yeah. Commit? But it was funny. He was talking about is like, but like the. Just because like the pizza delivery guy has a sex scene. Doesn't mean needs to be like really buff? Yeah. Yeah. But there's this like especially in Hollywood. And there's this feeling of like, well, you know, if you're going to have your shirt off like. You have to look good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's I'm sure it's partially studio influence of wanting to put in some I candy wherever you can. Yeah. And also partially the actors are just kind of like self conscious as well. And it's funny because he also similarly to Christian bale, but I kind of like, rob mcilhenny. That's yeah. Yeah. I love his reasoning behind the weight gain the weight loss because he got fat. I got that first season. And he just wanted to do it because it would be funny and everybody like advised him against it. But he was like no hard to do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do. It's totally to it's onto the total another season and not having to be fat. He was like what am I just got fan? I mean, you can. Yeah. I mean, why would you put yourself that? He I think he said he ate like five thousand calories a day. He he just the worst shit. You could imagine he would get up at like two AM and eat cottage cheese while like. Imagine that line nobody I would never want to get up at two AM. And he the muscle has to do that stuff. A lot to really because I mean when your owners of muscle the guys most of them what they do is. They get really big and muscular, and they're also a little bit tubby as well. Because Kim on tons of muscle and defend cut where they destroyed the fat for awhile. I know a lot of actors did that for example, Michael Jordan, okay panther? He dropped ten pounds. He bulked up got huge dropped ten pounds before you actually filmed the movie because that's how you get the. I mean, it's hard to be both really big muscular. And also really mean. Yes, I've all that muscle definition. But I know I remember reading anything was Henry Cavill because superman guys huge. And he was like saying he would have to wake up in the middle of the night and eat huge meals because he's putting on so much muscle. Wow. That's crazy. That's one thing. I could never do that. I if I if I in getting paid millions. Yeah. I guess that's it was my fulltime job was only thing I had to do. My life. I think then I could have you read famous and like didn't have to worry about anything. You don't have to worry about it. I mean that's their whole job for like a month or two before those start shooting is just workout in eat. Yeah. Wow. That's all. I mean, obviously, they have other things they do. But that's they don't have to do any other work. Yeah. I mean, that's like their responsibility. Yeah. Exactly. That's that's their job. That's for us who just living our lives you. Nobody's telling us like you've got to drop like ten pounds. Yeah. Thankfully, not not yet. At this point. We never had. But I mean for us at this level. It's just something you do in your spare time if you have the time, and you have the resources to do it's all you control your own. Yeah, workout. So I so now go on going off of that. You said you work out a lot to assist year obsessed. You have your own like home gym. I go to the YMCA otherwise. Yeah. Used to have a home gym. Actually, I shared this home gym with my mom. I'm talking about a lot on this. Podcast. She's a huge work to really. That's great. Yeah. I learned a lot from when I was younger. But yeah, I work out of the YMCA mostly go there later tonight. Probably I'll perfect. Like late night workout. So I do I like anytime I used to do it is you I love that. Jim at ISU to the wreck loves it. Right. Amazing. I definitely utilized. It like the last two years. I was there. Yeah. Just because I was like this is such a great resource. Yeah. Just like bypass this. I love that. But it was it was an I appreciate it. Now that I'm at the YMCA, which I'm not disparaging, but doesn't have the same level of resources. Yeah. Everything in that place was huge. And there was Jay had great equipment. Yeah. I love the track that they had up. Oh, yeah. I used to go on the truck all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's something about running on treadmills that I cannot stand. I can't stand it. I feel like a hamster in a wheel. Just you can't enjoy it. Now, you might be able to do it. Because you know, it's good for you. But you don't enjoy it. And that's why I you know, I just started running back by running routine yesterday. And I you know, I didn't really run very much during the winter. Because of course, I don't have a gym membership. And I how awesome I fully vortex. Yeah. Right. I'm not gonna do that. We'll be reckless. So during during the winter just do kind of push ups at up. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta do. But but the real training begins just because I I like working out because it just makes me feel good. Yeah. Oh, it's it does get the endorphins. It's just good for you in every way possible. Yeah. I think I think it's so important to carve out time for yourself too. Even if it's just like like walking them. Yeah. Some some sort of exercise you need to use your body where bodies what designed to be used. We gotta do something. And now with you know, I feel like luckily, my job, I get to move around a lot. Yeah. But a lot of people are sitting in office chairs stuck in cubicles. Yeah. So it's like our bodies were meant to go out and find her own food. And we weren't we didn't evolve to sit on a chair all day long. Yeah. We're maybe that makes me think about our conversation earlier about AI. Yeah. Maybe now hear me out here to maybe it would be a good thing. If they I took over. Okay. Because then it would allow people to be able to develop routines like that. Yeah. Well, I have a friend who. Is a law student, and he says he thinks in the future 'cause we talk about all this stuff a lot. And he says he thinks in the future. They I is going to start taking away a lot of jobs sedentary jobs from people. Yeah. And he specifically mentioned it to me because he's about I think also people will have more time to engage in art. And my old age of twenty six I'm noticing more and more of that because I used to think like the only way I can live a truly happy successful life is by avatar money. You know, and I still think that to a degree like I think that I generally would be a lot happier. If I had a lot of money, but that being said, I am still happy without that money. Yeah. You know, like I find I able to budget myself to be able to get the things die enjoy right out of life. And you know, it kind of makes you realize what your priorities are. The people you want to spend time with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's it's good to have that being a position where you feel like you have to grind, you know. Yeah. As an as an artist, of course, you know, you never wanna get complacent and feel like okay, I figure out I'm got a life now. And that's it. I just gotta keep doing this. You always going to be having to innovate and pursue new projects. Yeah. Them alive. It's it's weird. Because he kind of have to there are these two modes of working feel like sometimes when you're doing like a day job, you have to get that that like closed mode where it's like I just have to get this done this task done. I have to do this. But then when you're working creatively, you really have to access a different part of your brain. And just like like the open part of your brain. And just allow these thoughts to to come in. And like don't judge them. There's a lot of women. Agreement. Yeah. It's era. We learned a lot about that. Is you think? Yeah. Exactly. Like, you know through meditation, and our voice and movement and stuff those explorations valuable for me. Yeah. They were for me too. I mean, it really. It helped a lot with my creativity absolutely free. Frees you up and frees you up in. It lets you it. It helps you to not judge your thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Because as an artist you got to take those risks, and I'm going to try doing it this way, it might suck my side and. Choice something else again. Yeah. There's no. Yeah. You don't have to get it right off the bat. Well, yeah. And that's I've been using that the writing class I'm taking right now because we have to write like two liner jokes and stuff like that. And those are tricky drill. Yeah. Because we have to do like six a week one pretty challenging, it's. Yeah. You have to read them in front of the class to. And you know, those are the toughest critics other writers. So so it's like I've really learned to be like all your jokes. You know, aren't going to be good. Yeah. I accept like half of them are probably gonna fall flat right ear, and that's okay. Because you're going to class. Yeah. Your class and you're learning. Yeah. Yeah. That's you need that. As an artist. I mean, you never. I mean, I think it's true of acting. It's true of a lot of artists. I think about it a lot. It's so different from any other profession it really is. Yeah. Because this is the thought that I've been incubating for a long time. I would say acting and just the entertainment industry. Yeah. Yeah. Acting performing art. But because it's like if you're in a career where you're doing something like say, you're a plumber. Yeah. And that's your career vocation. That's what you do for a living. Basically, it's it's pretty cut and dry. Right. It's objective. You're if you're good at it. You're good at it in. Yeah. No, you're good at it. Because what you do. Your work is good you fit the pipes, and they work and you do it. Really? Well, so you know, it's like there's no beauity there. I know that you're a competent in your your job. If you're a plumber or an accountant, or whatever you can you can look at the result at it. You can get work. Exactly. You're getting work. You're accomplishing your goals. It's all very concrete. You know? And so you get that self esteem of knowing that you're good at what you do. Or is when you're an artist no matter what form of artist, you are how quote unquote successful. You are how much. Success or prestige? You may receive still never no one hundred percent of your actually. I don't know really actors who. You know, are probably going to go on to do something else. Yeah. There's an act which I think did you ever have Kim Pereira. Yeah. He always said like if you find something else other than acting do. Yeah. I remember that. 'cause I they said that in the audition, my Michael I did hear that two two. And I was so uppity at the time. Because I'm so pissed. I was like I was like this is so pretentious of heard this a million times. I wrote about in my Peterberg and brought up in the classes couldn't really Lori. Lori Adams was like, I just I think this is so annoying. I hear you this quote and every time, it's so pretentious. It was like we are all very well rounded adults, and we could do so many things that are career we're doing acting because we chose to not because we have to I got so self righteous and smug about it. Like rip your head. No, no, she she could've just kind of Lori Adams way of kind of like, I know. I'm right. She was you'll see she was like, you know, that it's true. Robert. And I was like whatever. And now Laurie. I know. Exactly. Yeah. And I now I'm looking back, and I'm like, Lori was right. You gotta have that like need working on art. Otherwise, you just find something more fruitful to do, you know, the needs you might enjoy more. When you might enjoy more have more stability and more news. No, there's no problem with exploring things. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Like, you never need to know. Like, this is exactly what I wanted to try something out for a few years. And if it doesn't work you got to trial and error. You know, figuring it out keeping your options open and doing stuff like that. I think makes you a more well rounded artists in the end as well because he just have more life experience that is so true. Yeah. Just love living in the world. While we are running out of time. It's been we end up thirty seconds left. Any oh, anything important. Shout out to Maddix my cat shout out to Matic's. All right. Thanks for listening basement dwellers, we love you. We do.

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Perfect Fantastic Four Cast

The Perfect Package Podcast

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Perfect Fantastic Four Cast

"Begin podvig network transmission in three to one by the way dave. Your comment is my new facebook status. Now people act like new bitch. I had thirteen. Welcome to three five picks to create the perfect packet. It's time for the perfect package. Podcast terrier your hosts chattan dave. Welcome ladies and gentlemen and the rest of you. This is p. three the perfect package. Podcast time for another perfect package. I'm chad is it. During a bored day drink import. Dave f new. He's having fun he's having fun. Y'all gonna be thirteen thirteen. We roll deep for each one's got a different name. The same people none of the same people but they talk so it looks like they know people joining us tonight back once again. It's been law. It's been a while way too long. The guest of our top down loaded episode of all time that would be barbecue playlist hard to its. Anthony said from cape coach. Welcome back good to back. If davis drink and boy spoke smokin in buddy. Uncle tony abbott. You know how could tony roll up to the role of guy. Got five on it. Got one joint got five just in case somebody else got is holding you like i got no. I ain't got no more but you if you trying to roll up. So i guess i gotta tell them about your little. Oh cow has it excuses in weirdos. I'm good man i'm good. It's wonderful to be back with all you find people. And dave and i ain't never heard nobody call chad five people's and that's how i know you lying other the other tip. Offs lips are moving. That's how i tell dave's line lie. Meghan trainor meghan mccain over here it was. I don't know look. I'm gonna say this. I don't actually know how old she is. I know she's of age clearly. She's probably like a couple of years younger than me. But meghan trainor was like blown up. I was like yo girl. Yeah yeah them hip style. Whatever was like shit beat over here good grief so i'm kind of excited about tonight. This is an idea that anthony had all right full disclosure. He's not happy about this topic. Really no let's hold on. Okay hold on you putting bullshit in my mouth. I didn't say i wasn't happy about. I just said i don't roll with this particular concept most of the time. Okay okay. it's not really my thing. I don't tend to. I don't participate in because my brain doesn't really work like this so in you know. I said chad before we started recording. I was like it was about this afternoon. And i was thinking of ideas. Say fuck that. I agree to episode. Alright chad asked me. That's why i'm doing it for chat. I'm not doing it because i'm like. Oh boy. i can't wait to talk about this. That's right me. Bro me borough also struggled not because this is my style this is my style. I love doing this shit up doing since i was a little kid. Me and my cousin always sit around doing this. But i struggled because and i realized this partway through trying to trying to get my picks straight this particular topic. The group sucks vs trash. You can fuck all the way off track chair. Tell them to them. What we're doing. So i could talk freely absolutely Tonight because Until this point. I think it's safe to say that. No one no one has been able to get this right. It's been a while since we did this. We need to do a casting episode and we are going to help out hollywood and create the perfect cast for a fantastic four movie so we will be doing. Obviously the four a reed richards. Is it richard or richard richards richards. Susan storm johnny storm. The thing mr ben iger. She can't rent grim. Come on ben grimm and doctor doom. Because you can't have the good without the bad so We're gonna do this. We're going to do this like we did our star wars recast We're each going to say who he would cast. And then we will argue amongst ourselves and figure out which one makes the perfect cast and then in the end we'll have our perfect cast based on oliver ideas. I think this might play out. Pretty good at least the conversations going to be good for me when it comes to casting. I'm all about the look. The person's gotta fit the part visually for me. I think anthony is gonna be the one that's gonna bring the the comic book accuracy into the casting and wishaw just gonna tell us whether or not that's a shit actor. I think that's not inaccurate statement. Yeah not gonna disagree knocking so as i was saying fantastic. Four sucks ball son. You put some respect on the first families bucking nick change. The barring the boring. That was that was the whole thing. Oh my god. Have you read any of the actual comics. So here's what. I'm not talking about the movies nine. Louise suck donkey the comment. So his his. Here's what i'm going to say. Say when i first came to this realization. The first thing. The first thing that i said. Because was i was conferring with some folks about my my choices that i was making it. I said you know what team sucks. I bet i bet money. There's some really great fantastic four stories. I've bet there some just bangers absolute just just kick ass fucking storylines and just great Series that's it from the perspective of somebody who dabbles right like i i. I have a decent amount of knowledge of comics. I don't i've never. There's very few that. I've had a deep dive on fantastic. Four at a surface level sucks but stretchy. Smart main invisible shields. Lady a man on fire. And that ain't denzel by the way favorite man by denzel and stop name. Pigs man. Sorry and said man covered in rocks. He strong. Now man you are. You are so underselling the characters on my guide. That's just you have them pegged so wrong so wrong that they are so much deeper and and more three dimensional than you are giving them credit for. I as you raw on favorite my favorite in that even closest related individual that i appreciate Besides doc moment is going to be franklin richards. Franklin richards dope wanna say man but beyond that. Look you give me some recommendations i will. I will certainly look into them. But again on the surface level. I just go payroll so anthony. I'm gonna let you decide which order we go in. And then we'll just go through the cast in each give our picks and then we'll argue it out. Well if if i remember correctly dave hates being in the middle correct i love and may even thing because at this point now i wanna put dave in the least favoured in his in the sponsors can fucking moving all i'm saying i love of a his love of the fantastic. I think going. I would be having said that like aren't we you know it's going to be like a collaborative different really matter so so it doesn't really matter in case you somebody steals your pick so well what s his town much crossover. We're looking for. Are you think we'll have a hand across over with mine. I'm telling you that. I know all right. I'll go. I'll go i'll go first. And then chad debut fight over whoever goes tech is i don't care so i'm going to start off. Then you have to start off with read. Yes you have to go read i And because. I wasn't sure how we were going to do this. So i have two names because i was like. Somebody's probably if i wasn't going i somebody who's probably gonna take my picture foregoing. Collaboratively doesn't really matter. But i'm going to john krasinski because i think he is the he is like the the consensus pick amongst the phantom for read which also ties into sue. But we'll get we'll get to her. You know momentarily but john. Krzyzewski is my first pick. Let you to give your other picks. And then i'll tell you who my backup was okay. I was curious if if anybody was gonna go with that one since it's in the rumor mill right now that that's common. Well the other thing for me is you know. I wanted the the pass that i have is older visits. Not like brand new fantastic for these. These heroes have been added for awhile. I'm envisioning probably been stuck in the to the quantum realm. Say for a while. Maybe that's why we haven't heard about them in the mcu but they need their the first family. They need to be the first family. For a reason they need to have gone off in the sixties done some experimental type shit and now they're coming out and it's like oh whoa things have gone crazy But that so so that sort of colors my picks everybody i'm picking is between like it's like mid thirty s to mid forties. You know these are. These are experience folks. This ain't that that fant four stick shit from you know with with the will be jordan and all that they know like tween centric shabina. These these are older folks. John kuczynski is is my pick for read. Now i i liked that. I liked that one a lot for what it's worth i With an older set because teen teen teen dream fantastic for is just like fuck out of here. And saying i and i went with like i said the visual for this. You we re richards so for me. I went with timothy. Oliphant a-list But i think he's got you know that the jolla line and the the you know he's got that look like he seen some shit Would he be good at it. But i think. Tim feel event could hold off reed richards. Yeah absolutely i could see. I could definitely temples mean i so i think you've been spot on so far chad With your sense of how it's gonna go for me. I didn't really care as much about the visual would i attempted to go for was very specifically The mood the vibe. I mean and for reed richards i was looking for somebody older. Somebody with gravitas. Somebody with where if they are the leader of a team. That is because while while while i can be very reductionist about it. I will agree that they are very important. Part of the universe And so that leader needs to be somebody that other people would respect as well And so i really had a tough time. Because i didn't want to go to old and most of the actors i was thinking about. We're just too too far down the line at this point to match the rest of the people that i picked. 'cause reed richards was actually my less. And then i just i just threw out my preconceived notions and started thinking about actors that have gravitas that i respect. How would listen to in any moment. And i went with Chula for even though he's already barron mortal. Yeah i threw out this so while yes there is the issue of if this was actually recast. We would have that that. That problem right but i just went with best available regardless of if they had already been cast within the universe all right. That's fair and i just love for looks like Looks like what. I would want to have as a college professor. If i was a freshman walking into my first like advanced or like an advanced class because i tested into some crazy shit. I'd be like. I thought you at the front of the class combat to learn some wild stuff awesome. So go now. I don't know if we want to. I think we need to see the whole team before we look at those three and figure out who would make the perfect cast out of those three years so back to you anthony. And let's hear your susan storm pick well so all right. I'll i'll jumped into to my store storm. Pick so i mean if we got john krasinski as read. We need somebody who is a you know to be able to carry the the emotion of the team who is also capable of handling bad s action sequences and has some clear chemistry with read and so there is no better pick for two storm richards. Then emily blunt. It's a it's an easy. It's an easy pick and it works on all levels from from a visual perspective. You know an acting perspective and it just. It warned me you believe emily. Blunt is sue storm by that one hundred percent for me. Sue storm was the last one. I came up with because i put this in the category because i didn't wanna go a-list but i also kind of wanted to have one. Screwball cast member where it was when you see the cast. It's like there's no way this is going to work and then when you see the movie it's like well. I'll be damned. I actually did wear. Because when i heard margot robbie was gonna play harley quinn. I wanted my money back. And i hadn't even gone seen the movie yet and i can't picture anybody else. Playing her live action now. I think she is a damp line. Harley quinn i don't know why on paper none of that made sense so i needed somebody that like you said it could be a bad ass if If needed to be but needed to be kind of the mom so to speak that could pull off mom and caring and i had to go oddball with this one and i went with drew. Barrymore drew barrymore. I i think. I think she could do place. The the her in timothy elephant have history. Because they're in santa clarita diet together so they haven't killed each other everybody else. That's worked with him. Wants to kill him but they the same bore the one from riding in cars boys riding in cars with boys. It's making sure all right. It's not the worst. Big i no. It's not. It's it's one of those that i think on paper. It sounds like dog shit. But i i think if you watched the movie be like that actually somehow somehow i. They made that work. I think she's too short though. I don't know how tall she is. Emily blunt tall. It's just the energy she definitely. We'll talk about here but it's yeah there. There's there's issues there all right all right. Our right can always hit home runs. Look i think it's an interesting thing i would. It is yes and you. You said it. I would have to see it in action. Yeah and it might be. It might be all right See storm was another tough one like the richards is where my two most difficult to cast. Simply because i i'll apologize before saying it of the cast. These are the two most milquetoasts there's characters and you could not be more wrong especially on sue own shit you wrong. But i don't know enough. She just seems like a boring white lady. I dunno suit. Sue storm has gone through so much character development in like the last sixty year. Gosh or whatever that it's it's fucking unreal right. I'll take your word for it. I will take your word. It and i believe you. I just haven't seen and again from a outsider's perspective milk toast but I went with somebody who could match the sort of like intensity of for Who has shown great range in terms of being fun of being caring of being held strong. I with newton My my case is entirely wrapped up in westworld. Fucking love into newton westworld just one of my favorite characters so yeah i'll just lay that out there and we'll discuss it further when we putting the team together yeah. I'm a big westward fan. I haven't seen it ever. It does veers veers. Would if you have an offloaded your Hbo maxine. You could not a perfect. I have i have hbo. Max but i'll i'll see if i could find the time. Yeah yeah to start something else i. I don't know that that's going to happen but appreciate the optimism you get. You got some time before loki starts. Yeah i'll be throwing myself immediately into love. Death and robots part to as soon as gaza. So that's a binge in one night show so all right all right anthony back to you and i'll let you decide if we're going to do johnny or ben will go with We'll go with jani another one. Where an by. The way. I as i said. I have backups for all of these. So when we're done you know. I don't wanna money further muddy the waters. But when we're done i'll give you my backups for all of them. This one I i went with. It's another so they're very popular name on the on the the internet as far as fan casts go one. That's bandied about quite a lot. You need somebody who can pull off the hotshot somebody who can do drama when it calls for it. But his the cocky pretty boy and. I don't know that there are few who could do that as well as zach ephron have you seen face lately. Let's we won't know what happened. Just face i agree with you though. I love zaka. Hollywood and i'll say it and anybody who wants to question. Just just stop. just stop. We're we're well past the zach. Ephron is a fuck stage that guy has done more than enough to prove that you know. He's good at what he does. He's good at his job. Did you see his netflix. Specially did where he travels around the world and sees all the environmental. Yeah shit the countries are doing. That was really interesting. Of course he had to take a shirt off every episode you know. Why would you have shared shirts. Don't exist when you have the body like that. Yeah that's true crime against humanity story on. Yeah all right so. My johnny storm is one that probably Neither of you will know Right out of the gate but You'll probably have to google them. I had to go to youtube to figure out how to pronounce his last name. Founding interview where he said his name. So i'm golden now but it's an actor by the name of max terry t. h. i. e. r. ot. He played dylan. Who was norman. Bates brother on bates motel. Oh my is ripped built like a brick think. I think he would be really good for that part. Because he's kind of a heat he my introduction to him was this you know stone her brother of of norman bates and bates motel but And i know he did something else. Too but That everybody will probably no more than that character jumper. Yeah jumper Any was in the The two thousand fifteen reboot of Point break really. Yeah nancy drew. Pc's on that seal team show with david boreanaz. There you go okay. Well that's my duty fits he. Lets my johnny storm. It's i see it. Yeah so. I by five. Okay might keep that in my by. I had the same cocky Can do drama. But also i went with a much weirder sort of energy gilbert godfrey but somebody who i think brings a very. I think it's a benefit of the doubt at this point based on the the roles that he's taken at least in the last five years he'll get the benefit of the doubt for a lot a lot of rope to redefine the character in a slightly different way still maintaining the spirit but in a slightly different way to fit. What i'm doing with my set of picks here even though it's not necessarily just my set daniel radcliffe. Okay okay. dan radcliffe. Now mind okay. part of this was built on for visual purposes If i'm not mistaken Jonathan storm and sue storm are not biological siblings. Now they are whoops yes. I don't know where i got that. The fan force stick had them as like adopted. Or that's where that came from whatever it with the game from no but in the comics they are sister and brother all right. Well i mean you could talkative. We'll we'll we'll. We would figure that out if we needed to. But in any case. I went with daniel radcliffe. 'cause he's a weird dude and i would prefer more modern updated. Jonathan stewart. who is not. Just not a i. Don't wanna say a prick but that that aggressive alpha male energy that you get from a lot of the movie jonathan storms. I don't know if he's necessarily like that in the comics. Maybe that's just a reductionist take on john. Johnny storm human torch here but I wanna go with kind of still high energy. Still kinda cocky but a go away weirder aggressiveness than just a pure alpha male type deal so then reckless okay. I love what he's been doing with his career. Like post harry potter. He is just like. Oh i get to play a fucked up i'm here to play farting corpse. I'm there. I played with guns screwed into his hands on there. That movie is so. I play an angel. Who's trying to save the world from god fucking it up i'm there yeah and women in black is bucking scary. Movie that shit through before loop. I thought i was going to be watching a shitty post harry potter garbage horror movie and i was balls some not 'cause i was ceremony buzzed but like they've to my body like that is that way it's a judgment free zone man. Listen i'm not here to get anybody's young. But i'm not even flexible like that. Y'all know that y'all know that it was fear. Do we year do we. Do we all right anthony. Let's hear your choice for ben grimm. So for ben grimm had to think long and hard about this because again you need somebody who's got the gruff who's got the size who can do this. And i said you know marvel brought back. I'd j. k. simmons to play. J jonah jameson. In spiderman movies they have shown a willingness to go back to the well if they feel that the casting was right the first time and there were many many flaws about the first two fantastic four movies. Well technically the second third. If you if you clear. Roger cormon piece of shit that nobody actually saw so if you count if you count those films to her many many flaws with the casting but i think we all agree. That michael chiklis was a spot on ben grimm. Dammit dave's pick didn't it's a collaborative thing it's clever sound steal my pick. But i don't disagree with you. 'cause it's just like why bald gruff motherfucker will you picking. We can besides michael chiklis if somebody got to the point in life where they were like now all these all these heroes based on real people some news i also. Michael chiklis is ben grimm. Get it i understand. Sure okay. we'll go with it sometimes. A charm chiklis. Michael is my thing. Yeah all right. So i went with somebody that has actually played Both sides of the comic universe movie situation not mcu but it is marvel marvel property and is also Probably best known for a dc property. i'm going to go with dominic purcell Who played Who played Dracula in Blade trinity and also plays Heat wave on and the dc w the arrow verse. Yeah the air verse. You have so much now. And i keep forgetting that. That's like yeah. Jam going to be my next podcast. I'm gonna do an air over serie. Watch my god. My wife has is watching. Basically all of those on i love. I'm alex i watched them all. Energy conquers man. God yeah i think i think he would be good he. He's you know. And if nobody's into the comic book scene he was lincoln on a prison break but i had. I think he could pull that that character off. I mean it's going to be mostly. Cj but you know he's he's got the attitude he's got at least his character. Lee okay. i'm based in one hundred percent on roy from legends. But you're not wrong. Now now i think he's i think he's got what it would take to to pull that part of so that's my guy Apparently my pick also has some ties to arrow. so there's that But ben grandma when somebody big obviously also somebody hilarious. At least as far as i see it so i picked vinnie jones. okay. I could see that vinnie jones. Think the i. I remember of vinnie. Jones was in euro trip. Raise the fucking cool again. The man you hooligan the bar. London that go into and then anytime he pops up. I'm like yes fucking. Love this dude. He's enormous. he is hilarious. Fucking governments snatch. I think you'd make a great ben grimm from a dave since you're a big fan of good lake good bad movie. Have you ever seen the condemned a condemn the Vinnie jones stone. Cold steve austin vehicle. Where where they take prisoners and put them on an island and the last man standing gets to go free and a stream it on social media for people to watch them murdering each other. I've got it on. Blu ray come over sometime shit. Yes we can do. We can do watch along my god. Yes that sounds amazing. Stoke circle vinnie jones. And some shitty. Agean luckier anthony together. We'll we'll do. We'll do a live stream of it. all right. who tracks it. Yeah we'll rift track it in real. That's awesome. I like that one. That when i do the rest of us shit no. I'm kidding through so just one time. Not okay all right so this is the one i'm most excited about hearing everybody's viewpoints is The one and only doctor doom. So i had again. I'm i have to. I think equally stellar picks for this. And i'm actually going to go with my quote unquote backup just because the more at the more. I'm sitting on this thinking about like as we've been building to doctor doom like you know what let's fucking do this doctor. Doom is. he is like the one of the most iconic marvel villains. If not villains in all of comics we're going to be doing an episode on him in a couple of weeks actually keeps on the couch. The man speaks in capital letters. Like it. just it's his style his ara his persona is that of a despot. Who actually really cares about his people she is. He's a villain that you almost you. You kinda empathize with them. Little bit you know. And i think marvel's done a fantastic job of creating especially as of late these villains that you can totally sympathize with you know kill monger ghost thanos where like you know. See your point of view and you're not wrong. You need somebody. Who has that charisma. You need somebody with a voice that's going to cut through all of the bullshit who's going to sell you immediately that this person is doctor doom and you need somebody who's going to be able to obviously go toe to toe. On an acting standpoint with especially reed richards his arch nemesis and this actor has done an astounding job lately playing villains. At least that i've seen Especially on tv He's he's very good at playing a villain who comes around even in later season where he's like he'll show up at the end of the first season. You realize he's a bigger bad than initially anticipated. And that's why doctor doom is giancarlo esposito though All right dan all right. Yeah sit on. I like him. Think about that for okay. Oh you breaking bad fans. I yeah yeah you don't fuck with gus. Dr gusts donald thick a surreal am good. Pick damn mandalorian He's even bad as duck tales. Boys dear white people he's not a villain at your white people but wow I'm gonna go i. This is only one. I had two to four and I'm not gonna go where i probably should have gone. But i'm gonna put my allister in the mask in the hood. Does he have a hood. He's got a hood sometimes. No he's got a mass. It's a cloak over the man. Very go somebody that's got chaps and somebody that can be menacing as Gary oldman. I wanna see gary oldman doctor. Doom take that dc masks. 'cause just may issue issues not with. Gary oldman himself now. But i don't. I don't a the i'm hesitating because i'm scanning through my brain. I'm trying to think of a truly menacing. Gary oldman that. I've seen of seen plenty of gary oldman and clint villainous. Gary oldman but not menacing gary oldman. Yeah the last time they covered him. Up in prosthetics was dracula. That's not madness now. Do love. Gary oldman now really do. That was a horrible movie. Just because the scenery because cana- reeves ada. What do we got here. He's sees. Gary oldman what's he doing. What's what's his see now. Now i now. I hate myself for not going wear. It was going to go but it was too obvious. So okay Okay well I went for voice because While doom in mask masked up. I didn't i don't like nine mass june. Like whatever the fuck they were doing in that one that one movie i was out i was out almost immediately. So when they took judge dreads helmuth and still unmoving. So i'm going voice. I want to voice that has that is emotive Own voice that can be Intimidating certainly menacing and also one with a unique quality and there are plenty of people like that but one voice that always pops out to me when i hear it on its own naturally as is as opposed to doing the voice acting thing but just as always kinda. Give me just a little bit of the creeps. Is andy circus. Andy circus circus's voice throws me right the fuck off when it's just his voice him doing him. It's it's it's an odd. It's got an odd quality to it. That really upsets me at times. I i love anti circuits. But his voice throws me off. And i think that would be perfect to have It's and obviously. He's got the quality of voice acting that. Come on come on. you don't have to worry about it. It's got control over his body to the point that if you need him to be commanding and imposing you're gonna get it you're gonna get it so even though he was claw in and did yes even fucking killed. Yes stole every scene. He was i hear you. I hear you and did an amazing south african accent. Yeah so i. I realized that. I've picked people who've already. I realize i know. I know what i'm seeing and saying i'm just i'm just saying i went with best available. Despite whatever back. Would they've done already in the mcu. Those were my church picks. Yeah so i know anthony one well let me give you. Let me give you my my backup. Pics then i. I wasn't sure the format you know how we were going to do this etcetera. So i went with backup. So i'll give you two real fast. Okay read rob mcilhenny from. It's always sunny in philadelphia. Here's why i'm tickets headphones off now. I i'm away i'm away. Put put your headphones back on. Put your headphones back on. Rob mcelhinney can is surprisingly gifted at what he can do. And i truly believe that he can walk that balance of funny and dramatic and and just pulls you in as reef. So i think he would be a shocking pick but i think it would work opposite him as sue. Storm keri russell. Okay yeah jonny storm scott eastwood not gonna okay i talking about you know little versions is that can scott eastwood little version of clint eastwood. Liam hemsworth was on my list briefly for johnny storm. Okay ben ben grimm. The thing david harbour and nikolai costra waldo. All right those are my. Those are my backup. Okay that's a solid set. Now i i would not disagree with rob maclean as much as you might think because i agree with you and the first time i saw it was The episode of it's always sunny where he does in fact dance And that that sequence at the end of that episode but inside warm it was just like. I didn't expect to feel these kinds of feelings watching it's always sunny d. I was not prepared for that. And then at the end of that sequence. I was just like his dad. Finally like acknowledges he's gain andrea if they just cut to him dancing. It was while it was something else. And yeah so i wouldn't like i could see him being properly dramatic when he needed to be. Yeah okay so those. Those are my pet. Here's what i think. Maybe we did plan to smash these all up and put together a team. I don't think we should now. I think these stand mostly. I think we each have a solid break up anthony's picks i think they're really together think they're really good together. I want to taint his his pick. Cool with my not that they would win a sense as we go through the process. Right we hit. We spend our time talking about it. I would never vote for my number. Wouldn't happen. I don't know i can eat either way. I mean i would pay money to see may be sue storm. Yes so my. My picks also revolve around some sort of Alter earth kary where the first family is british as you will have noticed that all of my picks were in fact From across the pond as it were and That was that was my reasoning. I wanted that that reality to exist. Where somehow fantastic four comes from the british isles. The only thing. I left out there and i do just want we knowledge at because dave will probably think less of me if he didn't know that it was in my brain but doctor doom talk about going for the voice. My my second. And i'm kinda pissed. I didn't do it because of the reaction. Gary oldman got was tobin bell. Man you gotta have that the voice of you know jigsaw coming out of that mask. That would definitely end. Plus i you know that would be the top built moment. That would be the oscar real moment when you get to hear him. Say i wanna play a game. Subbed something something. Some exact would one hundred percent pitch that like what if if you had the the season of the flash with where he played the villain the big bad on the flash. That's all i can picture. The entire season was every time he had you know berry allen cornered. I was just waiting for to say hello berry. I wanna play a game so it's And who was the. Who's the little asshole firm Harry potter tom felton. Yeah 'cause he was because he was on that same season and there's a scene where tobin bell's character gets channeled into him. So it's the dickhead from harry potter. Talking like jigsaw to barry allen and it was just like wow my fan loaded. There was a version of where all of my picks were actors and actresses or actors from Harry potter tom. Felton was richard 's and some in fell. Apart i had helena bonham carter dugway matchup matchup and then daniel radcliffe was going to be Majority he was the only one who was maintained for my band. And that if we did living or dead you would have done Alan rickman is dr. Yes as a matter of fact. That was the case. I was going to completely ignore that restriction and say comes back debbie dr Term has come mr richer lakes exactly and kneel before doom and it could happen. Why because comics. Ben grimm's finds discuss bring. Oh and tunisia see how much we could have had. Do you see how much fun we could have. Let's this like we do on street so much more so much more off-putting now. I want to do like you know audio. Reads of comics beth. As of all the bore audiobook everest. There'd be three people who heard it and they would tell everybody else no. Don't save yourself the production. The production booth would be like which would flee after forty five seconds ago. That's it. I'm out i'm done. I'm a professional okay. I'm not doing this. This is not putting my name to this project. So if you know john kuczynski az read richards. I just my only my only request is that he does like the breaking. The fourth wall camera stares at least twice during during the movie we get a doctor. Doom comes in does his drops a big monologue and then he just kinda looks at the camera and does the big office nods in there. I don't know anyway. I think that's a solid ass. All of them. I think they're all all heavy hitters across the board so we can't shit on this one as far as we're going to find the perfect cast. We found three of them. I'll say this Yes i think has hands down the best. What think all three witnesses shit at some of the fucking casting. We've seen so far agreed absolutely. Ah so there you go feel like even like hardcore. Msu fans would forgive double casting in on two separate occasions. My i think. I think it'd be alright. I think okay. We'll be fine all right well before we go into a klug's here dave. Do you wanna do your. Psa forest this week well. This'll be late by the time. People hear it but i can Guilt all you fucks. I hope you all called your mom on mother's day or saw her or something and If you didn't your dick that's it. That's it i don't care if you're male female non binary or other if you didn't call your dick okay. It's an all encompassing insult. Fuck you for those of you out there who are otherwise estranged from or brothers passed. You're exempt from this. I hope you had a pleasant mother's day in which you got to enjoy the day and reflect in whatever way that you choose to reflect and you join me in calling those people who have mothers that they can contact and didn't do it. Just find one of them kalma dick because they are they are. They are the dick's turgid or flaccid flaccid. Just just weepy. Dick's day we dick's weeknights on fox and smelly to all right. That's our new podcast. We'd be dick's uncut unwashed. We dicked calling mom tell you you love him her color until you all right anthony. This is going to become out the week of the twenty fourth. So i don't know when your doctor doom so it's coming down After that after that there you go so check out this and then you can go out keeps on the couch. Listen to how it should be the doctor doom podcast but i do wanna hear baltimore on that episode. I'm just saying it sounds a podcast on the couch to mate would be i guess would be rickman too. I think it would be even funnier. Okay talk to fold is the boy who live. that's amazing. All right anthony tell us about keeps on the couch and where we can find it excetera case on the couch we are podcast. Where comic get counseling. We cover the psychiatric mental health issues of comic book characters and going on strong for three years. Now all of our episodes earn website keeps on the couch. dot com you can find us on facebook. Instagram and twitter at keeps on the couch patriot and we have a public site. So if you really love and support the show you can do so that way. And that's that's it like. I said we've got discord. We've gotta facebook fan community. Just lots of ways in which engage with the show so as always it's It's been a fun time here on p. Three you guys are always one of my favorite shows to guest on and it's never adult time. So thank you chad for this. 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