16 Burst results for "Rob Kentucky"

"rob kentucky" Discussed on Beers with Talos

Beers with Talos

09:11 min | 3 months ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on Beers with Talos

"Capabilities and An improving remediation capabilities after the fact so seems like a more modern approach to the problem But his at evergreen like is going to be something that needs to be revisited annually. There's some language there's some language in the echo about revisiting. I don't think it is as i. There are definitely areas where they're going to come back and look at this fairly regularly where that language wasn't present and in so you're right in highlighting that but not only. Are they taking. What i would what i would call is the modern set of controls policies. That i was reading it thinking of biden as the ceo for for the company that is the federal government united states. And this is what this is what. He's telling his subordinates to do. Now if you've ever been in an at a fair sized organization we will now see how that direction survives encounters with people who are more or less motivated to that but one of the interesting things about that is a lot of things in that your centralized into ceasar in kind of gives authorities and responsibilities indices to of like give the high sign that yeah this agency has done what they should have done or knows agencies lightning behind on things and sees has gotten a lot of good publicity and have have gone through a lot of what i call like a honeymoon period recently and my thoughts reading. This is that that honeymoon period is about to be over. There's going to be sufficient response. Ability placed onto caesar in terms of securing things and also not as like like they are. They are in other people's bailiwicks kinda swinging around things so it will be. It'll be interesting to see what the politics are of interagency aspect for susa and then how is held to account for future breaches where cease has an amount of observation control but lacks total control over these networks and how much blame slash whatever goes to them versus the agency in how much finger-pointing occurs. It also seems like they actually had people like mitchell say people that have worked or lived in the cybersecurity industry. Right some of this right because it's not like biden sat behind a desk and say i am discreet idea. We should do all these things. It doesn't read to me like a bunch of bureaucrats scott in a room and wrote a document right. It's raised me like someone who works in. This industry knows what the heck they're talking about. What was part of the framework of establishing this this document. So it doesn't read as a bureaucratic nightmare is what i'm saying. It doesn't really rely knish document as chief apologist bureaucratic bullshit. Telling all kinds of secrets outside of the bbc chad today mattis completely different person from the matt that i knew from years. Now the there there was did to add on the on the executive order. Yeah so i had a couple of things. I mean the first one is you know. I think it's important to sit back and recognize that as joel said it's not like this came out of nowhere right. This has been the hard work of dozens and dozens of people in our space volunteering. Their spare time working on it at work revising it again and again and coming to an agreement that i'm sure it was not easy to get right and i'm not saying that this is something that literally came out of it. I think tank. But i mean these types of orders. They don't come out of nowhere right. There was the result of working groups. That are just doing countless hours of work that no one appreciates or thinks about really for the most part And so to me. I think it's really important that number one. We recognize that we recognize the hard work that went into this and the work of groups like mats and with the ransomware task force that work on very similar things that no doubt played into this and i think it's also important number two and like i preface this with. I am not a big policy guy. I'm not a big procedure. Guy right. I have come understand the value of procedures as we spoke about on a previous episode. Right like it's a necessary evil in order to have things done quickly correctly and consistently and i feel the same way with this kind of guidance. Right like i don't think legislation for the sake of legislation is a good idea. I think that's a bad idea. But i think in this particular case. This is what we needed right. These are a series of steps that we can take to help. Make the united states more secure make business more successful so i just wanted to take a second highlight that because i know a lot of security people are going to hear this and listen to this kind of gloss over it and think. Oh this isn't important. This is incredibly important. This is how we make actual change discussing policy like this. Bring the industry on board getting the industry in line and then proposing it to the public in a way that not only makes sense but is supported by the security community. That's super valuable. I definitely agree with that. I think that it's interesting in light of events to see something like this. Come out that is is full of really good ideas who i was going to say whose time has come but maybe their time came like you know several years ago and step forward step forward rock the book but there were also some other interesting ideas put forth last week that i think that some of us took notice of From from the tried and true concepts that we saw the executive order to maybe a bit of a different solution. In the form of letters of marque did you guys see. This missed it. I yield to the gentleman columbia maryland ipad. I've had my say. I hope it isn't interesting if antiquated typically more bound to maritime law than cyberspace But at a letter of marque was was basically a A a licensed Pirate hunt effectively govern. We should probably introduce what we're talking about so to be fair. Yes so thomas thomas. who's major general. Thomas airs retired. You saying netted states air force was the general counsel for the air force space forces trump administration appointee and he had a opinion piece in the wall street journal. Who's tell you it. Knocked me out of the park this week. For good ideas come out of the wall street journal and i will try to be to be fair to his expression of what what he was trying to get across julie arguing that they should use the letter remark process to create what he calls. I think cyber scouts in In us government's not that gonna scout service guys in in in in private sector to then direct information from the private sector backed the national security agency. So now my favorite part of this. You guys probably didn't see the entire policy side of the world. React to this. Because i had said something about about on twitter about wall street. Journal's opinion pieces this week they had a earlier in the week a piece from the we work. Ceo that you know. Some people took issue with And then there was this and yeah like bad. Take school or over at the wall street journal this week. And so i end something and rob kentucky. Who is Is a well known. Sarah policy guy.

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Pipeline Companies Try to Avoid Regulation, Despite Major Hack

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

02:09 min | 4 months ago

Pipeline Companies Try to Avoid Regulation, Despite Major Hack

"More than eleven thousand gas stations across the southeast. Remain out of gas panic. Buying has drained over half the stations in north carolina and nearly seventy percent of the pumps in washington. Dc this comes. Five days after the colonial pipeline resumed operations after a ransomware hack forced shutdown tomorrow congress will launch a pipeline security bill to prevent future outages. But critics say. It's still missing. Some major safeguards marketplace's scott. Tong kicks us off when something goes wrong with the pipeline like the colonial pipeline hack companies. Do not have to tell the government electricity companies to and if there's a plane incident airlines have to open up the government. Investigators says rob kentucky is a former top cybersecurity as to president obama. They will be doing everything they could to understand what happened. And then they would rapidly sharing that information with other airlines so those airlines could prevent the same thing from happening to that. That's not at all what's happening with this pipeline incident instead. It's a volunteer system of protecting data and sharing information. There are no government mandates or fines just recommendations in the bill in congress would keep it that way thing is a recent survey of pipeline companies. Found that just eight percent actively share information with the rest of the industry and the government that's a woefully low number indie lee at the law firm jones walker. Did this survey. There's not enough charity. And there are too few sticks to ensure that our pipeline industry stakeholders are actively engaging in the budget fan to make sure that they are say. This isn't a new fight nine years ago. Oil and gas lobbyists fought off mandatory rules and now energy trade groups are again. Seeing the industry should oversee itself mark weatherford is dubious strategy head at the national cyber security center which advises government officials. I am not a fan of regulation. And i hate to say this. But you know it's been proven over and over again. That companies are simply not going to self regulate when the public safety is at stake. He says the government needs a bigger role

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on Talk 1260 KTRC

Talk 1260 KTRC

05:10 min | 1 year ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on Talk 1260 KTRC

"Tuned into in deep with Angie Coiro Richard Clarke security and terrorism expert under George H. W. bush and Bill Clinton is taking questions from the audience member the audience is concerned that Congress and the president famously can't grasp scientific concepts how do we get them to step up and do their part before major calamity occurs and if I can add to that who's doing that right now do so I love making fun of the Congress because when I was in office I couldn't and it will have to testify before committees I had a the legislative adviser he told me this one rule to remember you can not be too obsequious in testifying before the Congress so now that I don't have to do that I make fun of the Congress but there are members of Congress I think of a guy named congressman Lang oven a Democrat from Rhode Island I think of a guy named Mike McMurray from Texas Republican they really understand the stuff so the Warner from Virginia really gets it so yeah you see some of these octogenarians senators occasionally making fools of themselves trying to understand the Google but it's not all like that and they have really smart staff members they really do so it's not a lack of knowledge it's really a lack of the president putting together a plan for a series of plans or series of proposals and going up there and saying here you know past this or amended let's talk about it there's no cyber initiative policy initiative for them to deal with does anyone currently have his ear that we might have hoped would do that Tucker Carlson all right good corporations get together to produce a one size fits all cyber defense system and you do describe collaborative efforts in your book there's a lot of collaborative efforts critically in in industry verticals for example all of the banks have gotten together and share intelligence information share best practices and have set up a system so that when one bank detects a new form of malware a new attack technique within minutes all the other big banks know about that the end of adjusted their firewall settings and and so there is there is a lot of data sharing in certain certain industries how are we doing with preventing ransomware attacks no well so ransomware for those you don't know is when someone gets into your corporate network or your government at work and they encrypted that sounds like a good thing because encryption is is one way of you know preventing spots the problem is they don't give you the key so you can't read it so now you'd log onto your network and all of the data everything on your network is it gibberish and this is a problem when you're trying to run the hospital this is a problem when you try to run the city so we've had a lot of cities hit by ransomware Baltimore Atlanta without hospitals hit by ransomware and what they say when they hit you is we will give you the key we will unlock the ransomware formed an million dollars in bit coin and occasionally decides vice companies the case Lee I got a call now and then the call will be one of my clients and they'll say somebody I know has a company that got hit by ransomware what do I do and typically I say do you have backup that you are confident has not been encrypted no then you pay no my co author rob Kentucky who's not here tonight screams every time I say this because he hates the idea of giving money to criminals I don't speak for him he says yeah they go out and buy Ferraris they are on the streets of Moscow but they also take some of that money and spend it on more advanced techniques you know getting computer scientist to figure out how to make things work so his idea which I think is in the book is we should make it illegal to pay rent somewhere okay but until it is if I'm the mayor of Baltimore North America led up and my job is to deliver services to that city and I can't because the computer network as them and all I have to do is give fifteen million dollars to some Russian I'm gonna give them fifteen million dollars USA today agrees with my co author and so in Friday's USA today you will see an op ed by the USA today editorial board saying don't.

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

13:51 min | 1 year ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on KGO 810

"In the door hello hello hello hello I am we talk about you know it's great to have people come in studio I look forward to talking to this man for a long time Richard Clarke is with us here at all he has a new book out called the fifth to Maine and we will get to that but he is a he is a guy who was national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism for the US from ninety eight to two thousand three that's a mouthful and and Richard but obviously what you're writing about today I'm and I've read your book and I've also Sanger's book as well kind of back and forth it scared the hell out of me the B. Frank and an how how much of what you've written here again that the fifth man is what the Pentagon calls cyberterrorism right server space cyberspace yeah how much of of of what has changed since you've written this isn't that kind of are you are you more fright now than when you put this together or will we finish the book earlier this year so it's pretty up to date okay things are always happening in cyberspace and you know in the last month the United States has admitted it did a cyber attack on the ranch so you do you can never you always in writing a book you always want to keep writing it it over to you because you want to keep it up to date there's always something happening did it in a Egnatius right about that David this is about that we sold them so we we had we work through different animators it was fictional but I think it was true about and we we wanted to make their centrifuge not balanced perfectly could write something along those lines well that is true and there's a there's a very good movie slash documentary about our attack on their centrifuges that Alec given the did call zero yeah right yeah and you know you think how could it be an interesting movie length of a show on something like a hack well he makes it a really good a really good movie need I think you can get now and that's likes zero day yeah I tell people that that have my persuasion that out once trumps calmer still gonna have to deal with Russia and China of China for intellectual property Russia possibly for that you know hacking our social odd part of our brains how do we how do we defend against ourselves well it's difficult into one problem is knowing who did what when there's a will there's a hack sometimes the people who did the hack try to make it look like somebody else did and one of the ways this is happening though is apparently some of the United States is best attack tools got stolen and so Russia and China are using US attack tools and then say all that attack wasn't the Russian there was American I think the United States probably does the same thing but you think about it how could we be so bad that they see that we allow our weapons to be stolen what if they had stolen a nuclear missile what if they had stolen aircraft carrier you know people would be drummed out of the military for that they be sent to prison for that and yet they stole our weapons are cyber weapons and very little happens as a result how much does how much do you think this administration understands the threat that Russia really posed and if you don't think that they fully understand or accept it how long will the repercussions last well I think I think everybody knows with the Russians did the twenty sixteen election now we we what is the administration doing anything about it they can prevent it from being even worse for the next election so the answer is generally no but I don't want to just give you a flat no because there are good people in the federal government career people I was a career a federal officer and therefore I have a soft spot in my heart for people who do that you cross two entirely different ideologies from a president Clinton and President Bush sought me no I worked in the Reagan demonstrate to so there are good people and homeland security the FBI NSA we're trying to stop the Russians from doing it again but the White House and the Republican leadership in the Senate is blocking money to go to the states and counties to defend the election machinery in other four thousand counties in the United States the run the elections that's where elections occur at the county level the county commissioners and things like that they do not have the equipment to even know when they're being attacked and they can't afford it and so this bill is passed the house on a is got bipartisan support including Marco Rubio for example who thinks this is a necessary in the Senate Republican leader the sentiments McConnell is stopping it the end is stopping it does the White House wants them to neither really ask yourself what plausible reason other than the obvious is there for the Republicans to oppose defending our election machinery hello I think it's obvious I know I I will like to question people's motives generally but this is pretty obvious I think there are Republicans including Mitch McConnell including the White House who think yeah it's okay if the Russians do it again they like us they supported us they helped us get across the goal line last time resin Obama went to McConnell in October of twenty sixteen and told them what was going on and he said if you say that I'll say you're trying to throw the election you know Taylor Clinton let me ask you I punch cards Virginia Tech in nineteen seventy seven right and and today they have a thing called a quantum the idea of a quantum computer how much of that do you understand I mean it will because when I read it I get a headache and I can't imagine that the explaining that in the house intelligence committee to people so quantum computing is very important it's a right around the corner and because of that I put a chapter in my book about quantum computing and I had to write it myself I had to understand it and then I had to having understood it explain it in simple English for lip readers who don't have a degree in in computers that was the hardest chapter of the book but is also the most phone because I got to go around the country to quantum computer labs including like Crosley the bay here in Berkeley and and say explain that to me again Hey others that work I don't do that here it's a little it's a little complex since it's an essential it's like saying that something can be it in two different places at the same time well so yeah and and that's literally true but that the way I begin the explanation is we're talking about the sub atomic level and the matter that exists at the subatomic level obeys a different set of rules than those physics that we all right understand up here and down there at the subatomic level yeah matter can be in two different places I've never heard a note in there and it doesn't make any sense to our human brains up but we can harness those crazy things that go on to the subatomic level to make a specialized computer run why would we want to do that because it can solve problems the regular computers cannot solve there's an exponential quality of that means all of a sudden something would take a regular computer days months years infinity to do can be done in a matter of seconds and that would include cryptology which is obviously the thing we worry about the most there to be no more secrets so that's a that's a debatable issue are you know I've I found a lot of people in writing the book said quantum computing will mean the end of encryption because any encryption algorithm could be broken like all the other people say no no no don't don't don't assume that in fact the the weirdos who are the are cryptologists I'd love our cryptologist but they are really interesting let's say people of their brilliant they are brilliant and unique and different they have been working on this for awhile now they know quantum computing is coming and they are out in front of it writing quantum resistant code no I didn't say it's like bullet resistant vests are not bullet proof right I mean you're not gonna get shot right talking to Richard Clark about his book the fifth man and also he's at the Commonwealth club is a tonight tonight okay what time do miss it seven of ten o'clock it's on the thing and friends when I wrote it down for you just read it I seven o'clock come with club tonight it's gonna be a fastening and they'll be Q. and a afterwards right thing and and hopefully no weird as in the craft we talked about that but I know it's funny I love the people are writing anti krypton our writing trying to send I can write encryption for something that doesn't exist yet they can't break it right it's all and only bring all this up because we know right now we suspect that the Russians have invaded our infrastructure either whether it's our nuclear facilities or electric infrastructure and I've heard people say they believe they could shut down York city alright so this this isn't a matter of conjecture because we have the director of national intelligence Dan coats who went before the Congress in his annual threat briefing in like March and said the Russians are in the control system of our power grid the Chinese are in the control system or a natural gas pipeline great hello and and then it got less attention but three months later on in the unofficial leak from the White House I know the specially for the White House when I see one I used to do them the White House leaked yeah but we're in the control system of the Russian power grid to so this is this is cyber war today it's real the Russians have turned out turned off the electric power system in Ukraine twice well it's not theoretical they've done it they're in our power grid control some were we don't know everywhere and we're button we may be in there is that that doesn't mean that tomorrow they're going to knock out power out or that we're gonna lock there's up but it does mean in the period of escalating tension in a crisis there's gonna be crisis instability and there's going to be a real incentive on the part of one of the other of us to go first and you really don't want situations where there is in a crisis an incentive to to escalate well I'm always come a long way from hiding under our desks in nineteen sixty three right and and now we look at technology that most Americans I mean I get it it's it's it's if you don't have an applied math and computer science background it's hard to go down that rabbit hole with people so they involve a certain level of trust and you know I'm a member crystals the cuckoo's egg or that book right off yeah as about unix systems that people are put in backdoors these programmers and you know and and today it is it's kind of like it's not similar in a in a direct way but you have to trust people yeah and and I guess I've who do we trust or whom do we trust well I think we have to design networks so that you don't have to trust people and so that people can make mistakes this is phenomenon call spearfishing where somebody send you an email it looks really like your friend suggested that that's what brought him down yeah and it looks like your friend so that and it's like please read the attached document you click on the document is a document there but as you're clicking on it you're dropping a program into your computer you never see it happening and it takes over your computer spearfish any one of us can be make that mistake at any moment on the computer even somebody like me who's trained all the time in this one second I make a mistake and click on an email click on the tax front and both my computers so we have to architect our networks and our computer systems so that their fault tolerant so that I can make that mistake you can make that mistake and it won't work they won't put the back door it and that technology exists the good news story in this book and the thing that surprised rob Kentucky my co author Anna in writing the book is that there are lots of American companies that has figured out how to architect their networks with defensive technology that exists today existing technology so it's really almost impossible to hack them how do you do a review on that we heard you've been interviewed you were talking about this and you said that you have more confidence in American there's a lot of American companies today they've got the message in their way ahead of our government and and protect themselves yeah absolutely and you know they're big banks most the Minoan JP Morgan bank of America city bank the spending their spending literally around eight billion dollars a year each every year to defend their networks they're hiring the best people in computer science there they have thousands of people on staff as well as contractors a defending their networks sounds like a lot of money for me known JP Morgan to spend a billion dollars a year less you look at the books of JP Morgan around billion dollars is not a lot of money and.

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

11:21 min | 1 year ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

"Gary Goldberg on money matters and every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace well it is because leaders somehow think it's easier than and Wesley full of the fight in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against around your member this and and instead he says oh wait let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think hill that's that's not as bad as it is a quote real war of the quote the problem is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June when the Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israelis said though the heck with this we're going to deal with this let's just bomb them so they launched a few out sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard I'm the I'm the head of the money management firm and I clearly remember what happened when fat finger or tie people did to our stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yep is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles well the stock market is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general of spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy citing bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network Sutton I think the stock market may be in good shape love from that code of nuclear fission but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defense is at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true that rob Kentucky lying now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent what most damage from occurring not all companies can do this but a bunch of companies are they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being there but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked not that not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we look at the work force problem in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market is striving to their there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries but we are we are turning up a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came to office no within forty eight hours I give them a plan to attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meeting to approve the plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about guy the other in the level of detail that we would be in the government knew about that well then the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was modeled so it took them months of life nine months to get around to thinking about it by then it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I world email at one point and said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right because he was thousands yeah that's the sad part you initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness how is that received at the time by the government the White House is mad at me for apologize a lot I said knowing that the government had failed belied sales and the the bush White House so so I had no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book and the book is written for not not experts of the low technical book I think our first fear is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election maybe a different technique but that they'll they'll come after us again were also concerned with the things like the power grid the law of the gas pipelines can be attacked there was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats saying that publicly but the Russians can get into our power grid no we don't know what happened to the other night late in the the west side and in Times Square with attack there is no definitive word yet what happened the would any of us in the business be surprised if that were the Russians playing around no well the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice that we know of and the head of US intelligence publicly says we could do it here and so I think that's it I think that's a concern we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern number three is our weapons systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them an enemy you would be able to get through the back door and shut them off we just need to pay more attention to the stock building security from the start not added on after the fact is nasty thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual can do to make sure that day our cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it what let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clarke this has been indeed a pleasure I wish you well and keep US informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much I hope you enjoyed the opportunity here from a man whose expertise is beyond most of ours he has devoted his career to protecting people he's not a book writer he's a person who has really been an adviser to the administration's going back over number of presidents president Reagan Clinton Obama the bushes so I was in Russia last week and walking down the streets of St Petersburg you'd never know that they're potentially or realistically our enemy it was almost like Paris but behind the scenes let's not forget that Russia and the United States are not buddies we'll be back in just a moment you're listening to Gary Goldberg on money matters.

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

11:20 min | 1 year ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

"And every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace well it is because we leaders somehow think it's easier than and less lethal to fight in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against around your member this and and instead he says oh wait let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think hill that's that's not as bad as it is a quote real war quote the problem is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June when the Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israelis said though the heck with this we don't want to deal with this let's just bomb them and so they launched a few have sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard I'm the I'm the head of the money management firm and I believe we you remember what happened when fat finger or tie people did to our stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yep is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles well the stock market is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy citing bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network so I think the stock market may be in good shape love from that kind of Nick elation but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem according to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defense is at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true but rob Kentucky lying now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this by the bunch of companies are they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being there but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked and that's because they're not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we looked at the work force problem in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market is striving to their there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries but we are we are turning out a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came to office no within forty eight hours I gave them a planned dual attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meeting to approve the plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about guy that in the level of detail that we would be in the government knew about that well and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was modeled so it took them months of life nine months to get around to thinking about it by then it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I world email at one point and said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right because he was thousands yeah that's the sad part you initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness how is that received at the time by the government the White House is mad at me for apologize a lot I said knowing that the government had failed but the light circles and the the bush White House so so I have no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book and the book is written for not known experts would love love technical book I think our first fear is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election maybe a different technique but that they'll they'll come after us again were also concerned with the things like the power grid the law of the gas pipelines can be attacked but there's a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats saying that publicly but the Russians can get into our power grid no we don't know what happened to the other night late in the the west side in the in Times Square with tack there's no definitive word yet what happened would any of us in the business be surprised if that were the Russians playing around no well the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice that we know of at the head of U. S. intelligence publicly says we could do it here so I think that's I think that's a concern we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern number three is our weapons systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them an enemy you would be able to get through the back door and shot the boss we just need to pay more attention to the stock building security from the start not added on after the fact is an after thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual could do to make sure that they are cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it what let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clarke this has been indeed a pleasure I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much I hope you enjoyed the opportunity here from a man whose expertise is beyond most of ours he has devoted his career to protecting people he's not a book writer he's a person who has really been an adviser to the administration's going back over number of presidents president Reagan Clinton Obama the bushes so I was in Russia last week and walking down the streets of St Petersburg you'd never know that they're potentially or realistically our enemy it was almost like Paris but behind the scenes let's not forget that Russia and the United States are not buddies we'll be back in just a moment you're listening to Gary Goldberg on money matters.

coordinator Richard Clarke
"rob kentucky" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

12:20 min | 1 year ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"And every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend this call the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it over it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace well it is because leaders serve well think it's easier and less lethal notified in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against Iran your record this and and instead he says oh wait let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think here let's let's not as bad as it is a quote real war on quote I will do is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June when the Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israelis said though the heck with this we don't want to deal with this let's just bomb them and so the launch of US sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard on the on the head of the money management firm and I believe we you remember what happened when a fat finger or a typo the two are stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yeah is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles well the stock market is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy I think bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network so I think the stock market may be in good shape well from that kind of make elation but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem according to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defenses at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true that the rob Kentucky learning now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago but it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this by the bunch of companies are and they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being there but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked and that's because they're not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we looked at the work force problems in the book and what we've discovered is of people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market strivings of their own there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries but we are we are turning out a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but can you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came in the office no within forty eight hours I gave them a plan to attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meetings to prove a point I think they thought I was crazy they haven't heard about guy the other in the level of detail that we within the government knew about it and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was wonderful so it took them months of life nine months to get around to thinking about it but it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I will really need male one point and said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right was he was thousands yeah that's the sad part you initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness how is that received at the time by the government the White House is mad at me for apologizing I said knowing that the government had failed belied sales and the the bush White House so so I had no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book and the book is written for not not experts of looked low technical book I think our first here is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulate the twenty sixteen election technique but that they'll they'll come after us again were also concerned with the things like the power grid and the the gas pipelines can be attacked there was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats of saying that publicly the Russians can get into our power grid no we don't know what happened to the other night in the in the west side and it in time square with tack there's no definitive word yet what happened the would any of us in the business be surprised if that were the Russians playing around no the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice that we know of and the head of US intelligence publicly says we could do it here so I think that's it I think that's a concern we have about two minutes left unfortunate which had two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern but I think the big three is our weapon systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them that is the way to be able to get through the back door and chop off we just need to pay more attention to the stuff is building security from the start not added on after the fact is that she thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual could do to make sure that day our cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it won't let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clark this is been indeed a pleasure I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much I hope you enjoyed the opportunity here from a man whose expertise is beyond most of ours he has devoted his career to protecting people he's not a book writer he's a person who has really been an adviser to the administration's going back over number of presidents president Reagan Clinton Obama the bushes so I was in Russia last week and walking down the streets of St Petersburg you'd never know that they're potentially or realistically our enemy it was almost like Paris but behind the scenes let's not forget that Russia and the United States are not buddies we'll be back in just a moment you're listening to Gary Goldberg on money matters money matters with Gary Goldberg what does it mean to stress test your portfolio well we're still seeing a long positive run in the stock market there will always be corrections and volatility and is very wise to manage your risk amongst your assets and investments you might ask with the market's doing so well for so long why would I have to worry about stress testing my portfolio the fact is that is a very sensible thing to do and a perfect time to do so a careful investor must be ready for potential downturns the potentially rougher stock market climate and the ripple effects from geopolitical events and policy changes in Washington diversifying your investments is one way to increase the resilience of your portfolio minimizing overall risk investment course in tax considerations other important aspects of concern as well proper planning and regular evaluations of your portfolio will better prepare you to weather the next market storm is your portfolio stress tested will call me Gary Goldberg.

coordinator Richard Clarke
"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

710 WOR

11:09 min | 2 years ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

"While I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace agents because leaders somehow think it's easier and less lethal to fight in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against around your member this and and instead he said oh wait let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think hill that's that's not as bad as it is a quote real war the problem is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June when the Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israeli said though the heck with this we're going to deal with this let's just bomb them so they launched a few have sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard I'm the I'm the head of a money management firm and I believe we you remember what happened when fat finger or tie people did to our stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yeah is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles well the stock market is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general of spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy citing bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network Sutton I think the stock market may be in good shape love from that code of nuclear issue but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem according to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defense is at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true rob Kentucky lying now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago and it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this by the bunch of companies are they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being made but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked and that's because they're not are we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we look at the work force problem in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market is driving them there there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries but we are we are turning up a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but can you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came to office no within forty eight hours I gave them a plan to will attack all kind of and then what unanswered urgent meeting to approve the plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about all got out there in the level of detail that we within the government knew about it well and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was modeled so it took them months won't like nine months to get around to thinking about it by then it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I will really be male OR one point and said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right unsourced news thousands yeah that's the sad part and you a nationally offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness and how is that received at the time by the government well the the White House is mad at me for apologetic like I said the link with the government had failed belied sales well and the the bush White House so so I have no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us sh what we do in the book of the book is written for not known experts would love love technical book I think our first figure is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election maybe a different technique but that they'll they'll come after us again were also concerned with the things like the power grid the law of the gas pipelines can be attacked it was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats of saying that publicly but the Russians can get into our power grid but we don't know what happened to the other night in the in the west side and it in Times Square with other tack there's no definitive word yet what happened would any of us in the business be surprised if that were well the Russians playing around no the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice so that we know of and the head of U. S. intelligence publicly says we could do it here tune so well I think that's it I think that's a concern we have about we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern number three is our weapons systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them an interview would be able to get through the back door and shut them off we just need to pay more attention to the stock building security from the start not added on after the fact is an afterthought so you should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual could do to make sure that day our cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it what let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clarke this has been indeed a pleasure and I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much follow money matters on Twitter at money matters that then and like us on Facebook have you ever thirst for dreamt of becoming an entrepreneur but you didn't quite know how to pursue that dream well I can relate to you because I was that individual for decades ago I started a company with five thousand dollars of my own savings and I achieved real financial success well I decided to write a book for people who also want to pursue that dream I share my story along with how you can do it too the title of the book.

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

11:14 min | 2 years ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"You're listening on money matters and every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it over it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace it because leaders sort of think it's easier and less lethal notified in cyberspace it's just a few weeks ago trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against the run you remember this and and instead he says oh wait let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think here let's let's not as bad as it is a quote real war quote the problem is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that and I think in June with Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israeli said though the heck with this we don't want to deal with this let's just bomb them and so the launch of US sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard I'm the I'm the head of a money management firm and I believe we you remember what happened when a fat finger or a typo the two are stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yeah is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles well the stock market is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy leading bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spins around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network so I think the stock market may be in good shape well from that kind of make elation but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem according to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defenses at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true rob Kentucky line and now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago and it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this by the bunch of companies are and they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being made but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked mistress they're not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we look at the work force problems in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees well today in cyber security health pretty good right that's because the market strivings of their own there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand hi the salaries of what we are we are turning out a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but can you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came into office no within forty eight hours I gave them a plan to attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meeting to approve the plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about okay in the level of detail that we would be in the government knew about it well and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was one of the so it took them months like nine months to get around to thinking about it but it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I think will really be male OR one point of said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right news thousands yeah that's the sad part N. U. initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness and how is that received at the time by the government well the the White House is mad at me for apologetics I said no link with the government that it failed but the light circles and the the bush White House so so I had no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book of the book is written for not log exports of love love technical book I think our first here is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election technique but that they'll they'll come after us again we're also concerned with the things like the power grid and a lot of the gas pipelines can be attacked there was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats of saying that publicly the Russians can get into our power grid that we don't know what happened to the other night the on the west side in Times Square with that attack there is no definitive word yet what happened would any of us in the business be surprised if that were of the Russians playing around little the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice so that we know of and the head of US intelligence publicly says we could do it here so I think that's I think that's a concern we have a better we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern well I think the big three is our weapon systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked well that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them an interview like be able to get through the back door and chop off we just need to pay more attention to this stuff building security from the start not added on after the fact is that she thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual could do to make sure that day our cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it won't let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clark this is been indeed a pleasure and I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much follow money matters on Twitter at money matters that then and like us on Facebook have you ever thirst for dreamt of becoming an entrepreneur but you didn't quite know how to pursue that dream well I can relate to you because I was that individual for decades ago I started a company with five thousand dollars of my own savings and I achieved real financial success well I decided to write a book for people who also want to pursue that dream and I share my story along with how you can do it too the title of the book is how badly do you want it.

"rob kentucky" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

WHAS 840 AM

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"College a lot about its rigorous classical liberal arts curriculum and it's exceptionally bright and patriotic students one hundred and seventy five years ago hill still was found with a mission to find by four in doing purposes learning character faith and freedom while many institutions have lost their way Hillsdale college maintains an unwavering commitment to learning character faith and freedom I've also talked many times about hills dales great president Dr Larry aren't one of the finest Americans I know he explains that these for purposes learning character faith and freedom remained inseparable in the activity of education at Hillsdale college note Hillsdale faith and learning are integrated toward god because he is the first authority if you've ever wondered why I love Hillsdale college now you know Hillsdale college pursuing truth and defending liberty since eighteen forty four learn more at Lovin for hills dell dot com L. Evey I. N. for hills dot dot com reason liberals lineup SmackDown rob Kentucky and as news weather and traffic station news radio eight forty WHAS I'm friends with George Bush in fact I'm friends with a lot of people who don't share the same beliefs that I have we're all different and I think that we've forgotten that that's okay that we're all different the front door Ellen is not a bigot by the way Ellen DeGeneres.

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on KGO 810

"You guys along to bring clinic in the door hello hello hello hello I am what we talk about you know it's great to have people come in studio I look forward to talking to this man for a long time Richard Clarke is with us here at all he has a new book out called the fifth to Maine and we will get to that but he is a he is a guy who was national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism for the US from ninety eight to two thousand three that's a mouthful and and Richard the but obviously what you're writing about today I'm and I've read your book and I've also Sanger's book as well kind of. back and forth it scared the hell out of me to be Frank and and. how how much of what you've written here again that the fifth man is what the Pentagon calls cyberterrorism right server space cyberspace yeah how much of of of what has changed since you've written this isn't that kind of are you are you more fright now than when you put this together or will we finish the book earlier this year so it's pretty up to date okay. things are always happening in cyberspace and you know in the last month the United States has admitted they did a cyber attack on the ranch so you do you can never you always in writing a book you always want to keep writing it in again because you want to keep it up to date there's always something happening did it in a Egnatius right about that David this is about we sold them so we we had we work through different animators it was fictional but I think it was true about and we we wanted to make their centrifuge not balanced perfectly could write something along those lines well that is true and there's a there's a very good movie slash documentary about our attack on their centrifuges that Alec given the did call zero yeah right yeah and you know you think how could it be an interesting movie length of a show on something like a hack well he makes it a really good a really good movie and you know I think you can get now and that's likes zero day yeah I tell people that that have my persuasion that once trumps calmer still gonna have to deal with Russia and China of China for intellectual property Russia possibly for that you know hacking our social. part of our brains how do we how do we defend against ourselves. it's difficult enough one problem is knowing who did what when there's a will there's a hack sometimes the people who did the hack try to make it look like somebody else did and one of the ways this is happening though is apparently some of the United States is best attack tools got stolen. and so Russia and China are using U. S. attack tools and then say oh that's I wasn't Russia and it was American I think the United States probably does the same thing but you think about it how could we be so bad that they see that we allow our weapons to be stolen what if they had stolen a nuclear missile what if they had stolen aircraft carrier you know people would be drummed out of the military for that they be sent to prison for that and yet they stole our weapons are cyber weapons and very little happens as a result. how much does how much do you think this administration understands the threat that Russia really posed and if you don't think that they fully understand or accept it. how long will the repercussions last well I think I think everybody knows with the Russians did the twenty sixteen election now we we what is the administration doing anything about it they can prevent it from being even worse for the next election so the answer is generally no but I don't want to just give you a flat no because there are good people in the federal government career people I was a career a federal officer and therefore I have a soft spot in my heart for people who do that. you cross two entirely different ideologies from a president Clinton and President Bush thought you know I worked in the Reagan administration to so there are good people in homeland security the FBI NSA we're trying to stop the Russians from doing it again. but the White House and the Republican leadership in the Senate is blocking money to go to the states and counties to defend the election machinery. another four thousand counties in the United States they run the elections that's where elections occur at the county level the county commissioners and things like that they do not have the equipment to even know when they're being attacked and they can afford it. and so this bill is passed the house on a is got bipartisan support including Marco Rubio for example who thinks this is a necessary in the Senate. the Republican leader of the Senate Mitch McConnell is stopping it the end is stopping a does the White House wants into the other really ask yourself what plausible reason other than the obvious is there for the Republicans to oppose defending our election machinery and up I think it's obvious I know I I will like to question people's motives generally. but this is pretty obvious I think there are Republicans including Mitch McConnell including the White House who think yeah it's okay if the Russians do it again. they like us they supported us they helped us get across the goal line last time. as an Obama want to McConnell in October of twenty sixteen and told them what was going on and he said if you say that I'll say you're trying to throw the election on Taylor Clinton let me ask you I've I punch cards Virginia Tech in nineteen seventy seven right and in today they have a thing called a quantum the idea of a quantum computer how much of that do you understand I mean what because when I read it I get a headache and I can't imagine that the explaining that in the house intelligence committee to people so quantum computing is very important it's a right around the corner and because of that I put a chapter in my book about quantum computing and I had to write it myself. I had to understand it and then I had to having understood it explain it in simple English for readers who don't have a degree in in computers. that was the hardest chapter of the book but is also the most phone because I got to go around the country to quantum computer labs including like Crossley the bay here in Berkeley and and say. explain that to me again. how does that work. I don't do that here it's a little it's a little complicated essence is in essence it's like saying that something can be it in two different places at the same time well so yeah and and that's literally true but that the way I begin the explanation is we're talking about the sub atomic level and the matter that exists at the subatomic level obeys a different set of rules than those physics that we all right understand up here and down there at the subatomic level yeah matter can be in two different places I've never heard a note in there and it doesn't make any sense to our human brains but we can harness those crazy things that go on to the subatomic level to make a specialized computer run why would we want to do that because it can solve problems the regular computers cannot solve there's an exponential quality of that means all of a sudden something that we take a regular computer days months years infinity to do can be done in a matter of seconds and that would include cryptology which is obviously the thing we worry about the most there to be no more secrets so that's a that's a debatable issue are you know I've I found a lot of people in writing the book said quantum computing will mean the end of encryption because any encryption algorithm could be broken let other people say no no no don't don't don't assume that in fact the the weirdos who are the are cryptologists I love our cryptologist but they are really interesting let's say people they're brilliant they are brilliant and unique and different they have been working on this for awhile now. they know quantum computing is coming and they are out in front of it writing quantum resistant code. no I didn't say. it's like bullet resistant vests are not bullet proof right I mean you're not gonna get shot right we're talking to Richard Clark about his book the fifth man and also he's at the Commonwealth club is a tonight tonight okay what time do miss it seven o'clock it's on the thing and friends when I wrote it down for you just read I seven o'clock come with club tonight it's gonna be a fastening and they'll be Q. and a afterwards right thing and and hopefully no weird as in a crowd we talked about that but I know it's funny I love the people are writing anti krypton our writing trying to send I can write encryption for something that doesn't exist yet they can't break it right it's all and only bring all this up because we know right now we suspect that the Russians have invaded our infrastructure either whether it's our nuclear facilities or electric infrastructure and I've heard people say they believe they could shut down York city alright so this this isn't a matter of conjecture because we have the director of national intelligence Dan coats who went before the Congress in his annual threat briefing in like March and said the Russians are in the control system of our power grid the Chinese are in the control system or a natural gas pipeline right hello. and then it got less attention but three months later on in the unofficial leak from the White House I know the specially for the White House when I see one I used to do them. the White House leaked yeah but we're in the control system of the Russian power grid to so this is this is cyber war today it's real the Russians have turned out turned off the electric power system in Ukraine twice well it's not theoretical. they've done it are there in our power grid control somewhere we don't know everywhere and we're button we may be in there is that that doesn't mean that tomorrow they're going to. doc out power out or that we're gonna lock there's out but it does mean in the period of escalating tension in a crisis there's gonna be crisis instability and there's going to be a real incentive on the part of one of the other of us to go first. and you really don't want situations where there is in a crisis an incentive to to escalate well I mean we've come a long way from hiding under our desks in nineteen sixty three right and and now we look at. technology that most Americans I mean I get it it's it's it's if you don't have an applied math and computer science background it's hard to go down that rabbit hole with people so they involves a certain level of trust and you know I'm a member crystals the cuckoo's egg or that book right now is about unix systems that people are putting back doors these programmers and United and today it is it's kind of like it's not similar in a in a direct way but you have to trust people yeah and and I guess I've who do we trust or whom do we trust well I think we have to design networks so that you don't have to trust people and so that people can make mistakes there's this phenomenon call spearfishing where somebody send you an email it looks really like your friend suggested that that's what brought him down and it looks like your friend said it and it's like please read the attached document you click on the document there's a document their leisure clicking on that you're dropping a program into your computer you never see it happening and it takes over your computer spearfish any one of us can be. make that mistake at any moment on a computer even somebody like me who's trained all the time in this. one second I make a mistake and click on an email click on the attachment and both my computers so we have to architect our networks and our computer systems. so that their fault tolerant so that I can make that mistake you can make that mistake and it won't work they won't put the back door it and that technology exists the good news story in this book and the thing that surprised rob Kentucky my co author Anna in writing the book is that there are lots of American companies that has figured out how to architect their networks with defensive technology that exists today existing technology so it's really almost impossible to hack them how do you do a review on that we heard you've been interviewed in you were talking about this and you said that you have more confidence in American there's a lot of American companies today they've got the message in there way ahead of our government and and protect themselves yeah absolutely and you know they're big banks most the.

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710 WOR

11:21 min | 2 years ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 710 WOR

"You're listening to Gary Goldberg on money matters and every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace because leaders some will think it's easier than and less lethal well to fight in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against Iran your member this and and instead he said all week let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think hill that's that's not as bad as it is a quote real war of the quote what is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June when the Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israeli said though the heck with this we don't want to deal with this let's just bomb them until they launched a few have sixteens and blew up Abbas's aside record Richard I'm the I'm the head of the money management firm and I clearly remember what happened when fat finger or a typo it to our stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yeah is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles it is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general of spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy citing bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network Sutton I think the stock market may be in good shape love from that code of Nick elation but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem according to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defense is at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true rob Kentucky lying now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago but it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this by the bunch of companies are they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being there but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked and that's because they're not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space forces necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we looked at the work force problem in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even the master's degree as well today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market is striving to their there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack are or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries but we are we are turning out a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but can you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came in the office no within forty eight hours I gave them a plan to attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meeting to approve the plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about all got a third in the level of detail that we well within the government knew about it well and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was modeled so it took them months of life nine months to get around to thinking about it by then it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I will really be mail at one point and said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right he was thousands yeah that's the sad part you initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness how is that received at the time by the government the White House is mad at me for apologize a lot I said the link with the government that it failed belied sales and the the bush White House so so I had no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book of the book is written for not not experts of love love technical book I think our first fear is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election maybe a different technique but that they'll they'll come after us again were also concerned with the things like the power grid the law of the gas pipelines can be attacked it was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats of saying that publicly but the Russians can get into our power grid but we don't know what happened to the other night late in the the west side in Times Square with tack there's no definitive word yet what happened would any of us in the business be surprised if that were the Russians playing around no well the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice so that we know of and the head of US intelligence publicly says we could do it here well and so I think that's I think that's a concern we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern number three is our weapon systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked well that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them and in every way to be able to get through the back door and shut them off we just need to pay more attention to the stuff building security from the start not added on after the fact is that she thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual can do to make sure that they are cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it what let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clarke this has been indeed a pleasure I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much I hope you enjoyed the opportunity to hear from a man whose expertise is beyond most of ours he has devoted his career to protecting people he's not a book writer he's a person who has really been an adviser to the administration's going back over number of the president's president Reagan Clinton Obama the bushes so I was in Russia last week and walking down the streets of St Petersburg you'd never know that they're potentially or realistically our enemy it was almost like Paris but behind the scenes let's not forget that Russia and the United States are not buddies we'll be back in just a moment you're listening to Gary Goldberg on money matters.

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11:20 min | 2 years ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"Listening to Gary on money matters and every once in a while I have a wonderful opportunity as the host of money matters to talk with somebody who has an impact on our country that individual is my next guest Richard Clarke who is the former national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism he worked for a number of our presidents and he has written a great book which I did read most of Richard this weekend is called the fifth domain welcome to the program thank you thank you for reading it it was a pleasure I couldn't put it down actually and that's unusual but you and your co author Robert Kannaki you say in the book some very important things including the next big war is probably going to take place in cyberspace and not on the ground that's quite a statement can you elaborate on it for my audience Richard well I think we say it'll start in cyberspace it because leaders serve well think it's easier than and less lethal to fight in cyberspace yeah just a few weeks ago the president trump was about to launch missiles and bombs against Iran you remember this and and instead he says all week let's just do a cyber attack so leaders think here let's let's not as bad as it is a quote real war of quote what is that nations can respond to cyber attacks against them with conventional attacks in fact the Israelis did that I think in June with Hamas was attacking them in cyberspace the Israelis said though the heck with this we don't want to deal with this let's just bomb them and so the launch of US sixteens and blew up Abbas's of cyber headquarters Richard I'm the I'm the head of the money management firm and I clearly remember what happened when a fat finger or tie people did to our stock market how vulnerable the stock market was to that flash crash you remember it I'm sure yep is this something that we have to get used to is a possibility occurring but more importantly than just the stock market what can I do to some of our missiles it is fairly well secured in fact the financial sector in general spends more money defending their networks and has more highly qualified people than any other sector of our economy leading bank of America spends more than a billion dollars a year JP Morgan spent around seven hundred million dollars H. each and every year just defending their own network so I think the stock market may be in good shape well from that code of Nick elation but you say weapons systems and you're right weapon systems are problem to the Pentagon's own defense science board and the government accountability office in weapons systems could be hacked one of the things that I have always believe this that the bad guys are always a step ahead of us because they're thinking about it well we play defense there on the offense they're planning and taking the necessary steps so when we see the activity which you I want to get into because it's in the book about what happened with nine eleven but when you see activity before an event how do we go about protecting ourselves is it possible have we set up the proper defenses at this point in time ten years ago we wrote a book called cyber war in which we said you really can't defend yourself if that was true rob Kentucky line and now reading books together again ten years later say something big is changed there are lots of major American corporations who have figured out how to defend themselves using the existing technology that we have today it didn't exist ten years ago when it does today and so some companies are what we call resilient able to take a hit and restore capability prevent most damage from occurring not all companies can do this but the bunch of companies are they don't want to attract attention to themselves so they don't like being there but there are companies that you never hear about being hacked and that's because they're not we training the next generation of cyber defenders Richard Clarke because president trump says a space force is necessary how are we actually building a cyber force which is essential in my opinion well we looked at the work force problem in the book and what we've discovered is people are coming out of community colleges and undergraduate schools and even with master's degrees today in cyber security at a pretty good rate that's because the market strivings on their own there are really well paying jobs and there are a lot of jobs in cyber security what we lack or the the the qualified managers of the people who run the the networks in terms of cyber security they're hard to get the really good ones and they demand high salaries well we are we are turning up a number of people today including people going into the government and going into the office I want to go back in time to just prior to the unfortunate nine eleven events you actually brought forth some information that was not paid attention to and I'm simplifying this but can you tell the audience what was going on before nine eleven that you brought to the attention of the administration well when the bush administration came into office no within forty eight hours I gave them a plan to attack al Qaeda and bin laden and I answered urgent meetings to prove that plan I think they thought I was crazy they hadn't heard about okay in the level of detail that we would be in the government knew about it and the bush people have their own priorities and dealing with al Qaeda was model so it took them months like nine months to get around to thinking about it by then it was it was too late so yeah I was I was mad at that I will really be male one point of said look if you don't do something about this hundreds of Americans are going to be dead lying in the streets unfortunately I was right unsourced news thousands yeah that's the sad part you initially offered an apology to the families of nine eleven and said that the government had actually failed them and you ask for forgiveness how is that received at the time by the government the White House matter for apologetic I said no like with the government and failed belied sales and the the bush White House so so I have no authority to do that I want to now go back to your book because the fifth domain is a fascinating read because I quite frankly do not know much about cyberspace the average person doesn't know anything about cyberspace unless you're in that field the biggest concern you have if you were to itemize the top three concerns that Richard Clarke an expert in cyber security has can you list them for us what we do in the book of the book is written for not log exports of love love technical book I think our first here is that the Russians will manipulate of the twenty twelve election of the way they manipulated twenty sixteen election technique but that they'll they'll come after us again we're also concerned with the things like the power grid and a lot of the gas pipelines can be attacked there was a lot of saying it it's the head of US intelligence Dan coats of saying that publicly the Russians can get into our power grid no we don't know what happened to the other night in the in the west side and it in Times Square with attack there's no definitive word yet what happened the would any of us in the business be surprised if that were the Russians playing around no well the Russians have done it in Ukraine twice that we know of at the head of U. S. intelligence publicly says we could do it here so I think that's I think that's a concern we have about two minutes left unfortunate we said two hours left to talk with you but what else is it that we need to that's your biggest concern but I think number three is our weapons systems of the government accountability office the defense science board say our weapons systems are fancy expensive weapons systems like the F. thirty five hundred point of the patriot missile they could be hacked well that they have inadequate cyber security so one day when we may have to use them an interview would be able to get through the back door and shot the loss of we just need to pay more attention to this stuff building security from the start not added on after the fact is that she thought she should the average person in America lose sleep over this or is it your opinion under control it's not but the good news is that some companies have secured themselves and the average person can too we have a whole chapter in the book about all the things the individual could do to make sure the way our cyber secure the name of the book is the fifth domain and it is in my opinion a must read I'm gonna finish reading it tonight I did not read the entire book but probably three quarters of it and it is not for people who were free it won't let me put it this way it is for people who want to understand in real terms what is going on it is not for the technicians it's a real interesting book for the average person Richard Clark this is been indeed a pleasure I wish you well and keep us informed about what else is making you concerned with your next book thank you very much I hope you enjoyed the opportunity here from a man whose expertise is beyond most of ours he has devoted his career to protecting people he's not a book writer he's a person who has really been an adviser to the administration's going back over number of presidents president Reagan Clinton Obama the bushes so I was in Russia last week and walking down the streets of St Petersburg you'd never know that they're potentially or realistically our enemy it was almost like Paris but behind the scenes let's not forget that Russia and the United States are not buddies we'll be back in just a moment you're listening.

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"rob kentucky" Discussed on KGO 810

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14:02 min | 2 years ago

"rob kentucky" Discussed on KGO 810

"In the door hello hello hello hello I am we talk about you know it's great to have people come in studio I look forward to talking to this man for a long time Richard Clarke is with us here at all he has a new book out called the fifth to Maine and we will get to that but he is a he is a guy who was national coordinator for security infrastructure protection and counterterrorism for the US from ninety eight to two thousand three that's a mouthful and and Richard the but obviously what you're writing about today I'm and I've read your book and I've also Sanger's book as well kind of back and forth it scared the hell out of me the B. Frank and and how how much of what you've written here again that the fifth man is what the Pentagon calls cyberterrorism right server space cyberspace yeah how much of of of what has changed since you've written this isn't that kind of are you are you more fright now then when you put this together or will we finish the book earlier this year so it's pretty up to date okay things are always happening in cyberspace and you know in the last month the United States has admitted they did a cyber attack on the ranch so you do you can never you always in writing a book you always want to keep writing it in again because you want to keep it up to date there's always something happening did it in a Egnatius right about that David this is about we sold them so we we had we work through different animators it was fictional but I think it was true about and we we wanted to make their centrifuge not balanced perfectly could write something along those lines well that is true and there's a there's a very good movie slash documentary about our attack on their centrifuges that Alec given the did call zero yeah right yeah and you know you think how could it be an interesting movie length show on something like a hack well he makes it a really good a really good movie need I think you can get now and that's likes zero day yeah I tell people that that have my persuasion that out once trumps calmer still gonna have to deal with Russia and China of China for intellectual property Russia possibly for that you know hacking our social part of our brains how do we how do we defend against ourselves it's difficult NO one problem is knowing who did what when there's a will there's a hack sometimes the people who did the hack try to make it look like somebody else did and one of the ways this is happening though is apparently some of the United States is best attack tools got stolen and so Russia and China are using U. S. attack tools and then say all that attack wasn't Russia and it was American I think the United States probably does the same thing but you think about it how could we be so bad the place that we allow our weapons to be stolen what if they had stolen a nuclear missile what if they had stolen aircraft carrier you know people would be drummed out of the military for that they be sent to prison for that and yet they stole our weapons are cyber weapons and very little happens as a result how much does how much do you think this administration understands the threat that Russia really posed and if you don't think that they fully understand or accept it how long will the repercussions last well I think I think everybody knows with the Russians then the twenty sixteen election now we we what is the administration doing anything about it they can prevent it from being even worse for the next election so the answer is generally no but I don't want to just give you a flat no because there are good people in the federal government career people I was a career a federal officer and therefore I have a soft spot in my heart for people who do that you cross two entirely different ideologies from a president Clinton and President Bush thought you know I worked in the Reagan demonstrated to so there are good people and homeland security the FBI NSA we're trying to stop the Russians from doing it again but the White House and the Republican leadership in the Senate is blocking money to go to the states and counties to defend the election machinery in other four thousand counties in the United States they run the elections that's where elections occur at the county level the county commissioners and things like that they do not have the equipment to even know when they're being attacked and they can afford it and so this bill is passed the house is got bipartisan support including Marco Rubio for example who thinks this is a necessary in the Senate the Republican leader of the Senate Mitch McConnell is stopping it the end is stopping a does the White House wants into the other really ask yourself what plausible reason other than the obvious is there for the Republicans to oppose defending our election machinery hello I think it's obvious I know I I will like to question people's motives generally but this is pretty obvious I think there are Republicans including Mitch McConnell including the White House who think it yeah it's okay if the Russians do it again they like us they supported us they helped us get across the goal line last time as an Obama went to McConnell in October of twenty sixteen and told them what was going on and he said if you say that I'll say you're trying to throw the election on Taylor Clinton let me ask you I punch cards Virginia Tech in nineteen seventy seven right and in today they have a thing called a quantum the idea of a quantum computer how much of that do you understand I mean what because when I read it I get a headache and I can't imagine that the explaining that in the house intelligence committee to people so quantum computing is very important it's a right around the corner and because of that I put a chapter in my book about quantum computing and I had to write it myself I had to understand it and then I had to having understood it explain it in simple English for lip readers who don't have a degree in in computers that was the hardest chapter of the book it is also the most phone because I got to go around the country to quantum computer labs including like Crossley the bay here in Berkeley and and say explain that to me again how does that work I don't do that here it's a little it's a little complex since it's an essential it's like saying that something can be it in two different places at the same time well so yeah and and that's literally true but the the way I begin the explanation is we're talking about the sub atomic level and the matter that exists of the subatomic level obeys a different set of rules than those physics that we all right understand up here and down there at the subatomic level yeah matter can be in two different places I've never heard a note in there and it doesn't make any sense to our human brains but we can harness those crazy things that go on to the subatomic level to make a specialized computer run why would we want to do that because it can solve problems the regular computers cannot solve there's an exponential quality that means all of a sudden something that we take a regular computer days months years infinity to do can be done in a matter of seconds and that would include cryptology which is obviously the thing we worry about the most there to be no more secrets so that's a that's a debatable issue are you know I've I found a lot of people in writing the book said quantum computing will mean the end of encryption because any encryption algorithm could be broken like all the other people say no no no don't don't don't assume that in fact the the weirdos who are the are cryptologists I'd love our cryptologist but they are really interesting let's say people of their brilliant they are brilliant and unique and different they have been working on this for awhile now they know quantum computing is coming and they are out in front of it writing quantum resistant code no I didn't say it's like bullet resistant vests are not bullet proof right I mean you're not gonna get shot right we're talking to Richard Clark about his book the fifth man and also he's at the Commonwealth club is a tonight tonight okay what time do miss it seven of ten o'clock it's on the thing and friends when I wrote it down for you just read I semicon come with club tonight it's gonna be a fastening and they'll be Q. and a afterwards right thing and and hopefully no weird as in the craft we talked about that but I know it's funny I love the people are writing anti krypton our writing trying to send I can write encryption for something that doesn't exist yet they can't break it right it's all and only bring all this up because we know right now we suspect that the Russians have invaded our infrastructure all either whether it's our nuclear facilities or electric infrastructure and I've heard people say they believe they could shut down New York City alright so this this isn't a matter of conjecture because we have the director of national intelligence Dan coats who went before the Congress in his annual threat briefing in the Hague March and said the Russians are in the control system of our power grid the Chinese are in the control system or a natural gas pipeline great hello and then it got less attention but three months later on in the official leak from the White House I know the specially for the White House when I see one I used to do them the White House leaked yeah but we're in the control system of the Russian power grid to so this is this is cyber war today it's real the Russians have turned out turned off the electric power system in Ukraine twice well it's not theoretical they've done it they're in our power grid control somewhere we don't know everywhere and we're button we may be in there that doesn't mean that tomorrow they're going to doc out power out or the we're gonna lock there's up but it does mean in the period of escalating tension in a crisis there's gonna be crisis instability and there's going to be a real incentive on the part of one of the other of us to go first and you really don't want situations where there is in a crisis an incentive to to escalate well I mean we've come a long way from hiding under our desks in nineteen sixty three right now and and now we look at technology that most Americans I mean I get it it's it's it's if you don't have an applied math and computer science background it's hard to go down that rabbit hole with people so they involves a certain level of trust and you know I'm a member crystals the cuckoo's egg or that book right off yeah is about unix systems that people are put in backdoors these programmers and United and today it is it's kind of like it's not similar an ad in a direct way but you have to trust people yeah and and I guess I've who do we trust or whom do we trust well I think we have to design networks so that you don't have to trust people and so that people can make mistakes this is phenomenon call spearfishing where somebody send you an email it looks really like your friend suggested that that's what brought him down and it looks like your friend said it and it's like please read the attached document you click on the document there's a document their leisure clicking on it you're dropping a program into your computer you never see it happening and it takes over your computer spearfishing any one of us can be make that mistake at any moment on the computer even somebody like me who's trained all the time in this one second I make a mistake and click on an email click on the attachment and both my computers so we have to architect our networks and our computer systems so that their fault tolerant so that I can make that mistake you can make that mistake and it won't work they won't put a back door it and that technology exists the good news story in this book and the thing that surprised rob Kentucky Michael author Anna in writing the book is that there are lots of American companies that has figured out how to architect their networks with defensive technology that exists today existing technology so it's really almost impossible to hack them how do you do a review on that yeah I heard you've been interviewed you were talking about this and you said that you have more confidence in American there's a lot of American companies today have got the message in their way ahead of our government and and protect themselves yeah absolutely and you know they're big banks most of the Minoan JP Morgan bank of America city bank they're spending their spending literally around eight billion dollars a year each every year to defend their networks they're hiring the best people in computer science there they have thousands of people on staff as well as contractors defending their networks sounds like a lot of money for the gnome JP Morgan to spend the billion dollars a year less you look at the books of JP Morgan around billion dollars is not a lot of money and it is the cost of doing business Reggie of sorry go I don't I just have a two o'clock at the Commonwealth club tonight is a new book out called the fifth to Maine and it's it's about the I guess for lack of a better word.

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"Welcome to foreign a Michael Krasny well the US has made significant progress in defending itself against foreign cyber attacks it still remains vulnerable to a range of significant threats including the take down a power grids an election hacking former U. S. counterterrorism official Richard Clarke who was a national security officer in the Clinton and both bush administration says he fears even worse scenarios away like the US getting pulled into war against the cyber army capable of hacking the country's conventional weapons systems just how prepared is the United States for cyber war Richard Clark joins us to discuss that in his new book the fifth domain defending our country our companies and ourselves in the age of cyber threats were also going to talk with him about ongoing tensions with Iran and today settlement in the Equifax data breach which affected a hundred forty seven million U. S. consumers and that includes fifteen million Californians and Richard Clarke please to have you back with us inform welcome to the program it's good to be back I guess the place I'd like to begin with you is just getting to one of the central questions are you raising her maybe the central question and I should say for the benefit of listeners that when we talk about the fifth of may we talking about land sea air and space is being the four domains this is the what the Pentagon calls the fifth of may in cyberspace and we just had Bulgaria that was hacked I mean when a whole country is hacked you have to kind of really raise your eyebrows above your head and think where are we so that's where I want to begin with you where are we particularly since you bring up the real potential threat of cyber war how prepared are we well ten years ago rob Kentucky my co author and I wrote a book called cyber war in which we said over the course of the next several years hacking will stop being a teenage boys in their mother's basement Adil become nation states and armies there instead of just stealing money we'll be stealing intellectual property and we'll be doing destruction damage disruption unfortunately we were right I'm forcing also valid and listen to you today well enough but we're also wrong in some respects because we said ten years ago no company will be able to defend itself against a major nation state attacker and that's not true we were wrong well there are a lot of companies today we call them in the book the dogs the did not bark a lot of companies today that are successfully defending themselves another being resilient using existing technology and so we try in the book to say the things are not all bad and we try to ask how is it that some companies are good at this what did they do to get it right you mention the word resilience is the key word here you're talking about a cyber resilience you're also talking about a partnership between government and the private sector but when you talk about resilience really talking about more defense and attack yeah those so when we say resilience we were kind of lowering the bar a little in the in the old days we said don't let the bad guys in to your network we now know that that's impossible we don't have perimeters anymore networks used a big fire walls and everything was behind the firewall now you're taking your corporate your company network with you on that company I phone on our own the company laptop that you may have at home so there's no perimeter and the bad guys will get in but in the resilient company they don't get very far we talk in the book about something called the kill chain which is the seven or eight steps an attacker has to go through to be successful now they only have to be stopped at one of those steps and there's technology for each of them the following the attacker and to Wall them off to contain them to prevent the attack from spreading and then to restore services quickly if you can do all that in a matter of minutes then you are a resilient company well you make the case that since we now have over three thousand new technology firms with a lot of VC backing that cyber insurance yet banks are more secure this kind of optimism in your book there is on the other hand you know I think if you stand on the street corner in San Francisco or OR Paulo although when you say I have an idea for a new cyber security company five people rush at you to give you money the the result of that is there we too many cyber security companies and the annual RSA convention at the Moscone the center there are three thousand vendors all selling pretty much the same thing it all involves a machine learning the automatic defense and the the all the same jargon very hard for companies to find the good security products in that maze it also it spreads the security talent out too thin Bob Ackerman of leeches capital that on the bucket Erro told us eat this is like the peanut butter being spread too thin there aren't that many talented people and if you put them in three thousand companies other not going to be as productive as if there were a handful of companies providing all the services sorry I think about the pain about a matter for wearing his smooth or chunky we're talking to Richard Clarke Clark who is a security expert former national security officer in the Clinton and both bush administrations and now has a book out with rubber Kannaki called the fifth domain defending our country our companies and our cells in the age of cyber threats of notice in the back of Oakley and Panetta says cyber bay in cyberspace is the battlefield of the future and I think that's probably correct and that's a very central point to your book they also say the future is here already as any Grove used to say or is maybe Toffler used to say in future shock with Russia China and Iran we're here hardly yeah we are you know Dan coats is the director of national intelligence and he testified before the Congress in open session in March the saying that we have to fear the Russian Chinese Iranian and north Korean militaries in cyberspace because they're all active there is the cyber activities going on every day this month of the United States attacked Iran after they shot down one of our drones the president did not respond with missiles and bombs responded to the cyber attack last October nine a prior to the the election United States attacked the Russian troll and bought form in Saint Petersburg the White House sleep recently the the United States has worked its way into the command system of the Russian electric power grid so those are just the things we know of the of the U. S. is doing an all these nations are active every day and one thinks of stuck said with Iran and now things are more tense perhaps and they have been a long time with the run but also as you point out Russia in effect in many people's minds declared war on us in the last election it seems that all the intelligence agencies despite the president trump's views to the contrary were of one accord in believing that Russia compromise our election processes and Russia also shut down Ukraine power grid which was from your judgment likely maybe even a kind of rehearsal a presentation for an attack on the United States no they did it twice on two occasions the Russians went into the control system for the Ukrainian power grid and shut down the grid no more we right in the in the book the fifty main is according to the experts we talked to a given them where they were and the controls they could have caused the transmitters the generators on to blow up and if you lose that kind of hardware from a software attack if you can because our were to blow up it could be months before some of that stuff is replaced we think that could happen here the according to US intelligence the Russians are in the control of our power grid so that any time well when we're budding heads with them somewhere the president of the United States has to know if you go too far with them suddenly in New York or San Francisco might be without power we invited without power let's talk about breaches from if we could because there was a data breach the farmer Veterans Affairs back in two thousand six and about twenty six million veterans and military personnel were affected by that now we have the settlement was made with Equifax all data of literally millions there was compromise there and one has to ask the question of what is really being done in a broader sense about these breaches I mean they're still going on the dark web is still there and you say there maybe six steps are and what you say a number of steps clearly they can go through and you can defend against but we still have all these huge creatures ecofacts from what we know of it from public reporting it was sort of gross negligence by that company and you know they're being hit with a fine but they can afford it the Facebook was hit by a fine by the Federal Trade Commission recently for privacy data bridges losses Anna compromises in that was of five billion dollars is nothing to Facebook merry out was hit the by the U. by the European Union with a hundred and twenty three million dollar fund for privacy violations that's nothing to Maria I think these phone lines that need to change we need to find the the senior executives personally we need to find the the board members personally and we need to ban of people from the corporate practice so they should be banned from any publicly trading company for five years of their board member or senior executive when attack occurs and it can be blamed on negligence finding them is not going to change anything so bigger onus on the owners on the operators you're saying essentially yeah it is if you can prove negligence and that there ought to be sort of an N. T. S. B. you know when there's an airplane crash on the national transportation safety board jumps in and does forensics and tries to figure out who's accountable was of the jet engine wasn't the aircraft was the radio system wasn't the whoever we have an NTSB the looks of major cyber bridges and names names the terms accountability and then another organization that has significant power to find people individuals and to get them out of the business no one on the board of directors of Equifax is being punished for this on the Equifax profit will take a minor hit on as William Facebook America minor hits even their stocks typically aren't affected for more than a few days and then they bounce back so we have to make the loss of this data significant what if we find people we say in the book what if we find people on the number of identities that were compromised what if you got hit with a ten thousand dollar fine for every one of those identities that were compromised that's a much bigger fall what about the possibility though still let's get back to the government's role in this you talk more about that when we were talking more about the breaches and what would be the consequences for companies being negligent and so forth but the government is not exactly been on top of things here and I think we are we in a situation where he pointed out your book we're take over of power grid let alone election hacking all these things can happen hacking our conventional weapons system two can happen and you run into the problem of finding out attribution who's responsible at his end of any before well that's a reason used to be difficult in large part because attackers pretend to be somebody else you know the old joke nobody on the internet can know your dog right we don't know sometimes without getting in essays investigators involved or C. I. A.'s investigators who these people are but attribution is possible in the proof of that is on the justice department website if you go to the justice department website there are names of hackers who are Russian intelligence officers Chinese people's Liberation Army officers north Korean Iranian not only their names but their pictures so I don't wanna get into how we know their names or how we got their pictures but clearly if we have their names and we have their pictures we can say this Chinese officer attack this American company on this day then I think we have solved the attribution problem for the most part talking was Robert Clark and he with Robert have Russia collection he was Robert Kannaki is the author of the system main defending our country our companies and our sales in the age of cyber threats he'll be appearing at the Commonwealth club tomorrow here in San Francisco at six thirty and a couple of books in Menlo Park at seven thirty on Wednesday an opportunity to speak with him and talk about cyber security affect only got the number now and invite those of you listening to join us we do welcome your involvement in the program and anything you have to say.

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14:11 min | 2 years ago

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"Form a Michael Krasny well the US has made significant progress in defending itself against foreign cyber attacks it still remains vulnerable to a range of significant threats including the take down a power grids an election hacking former U. S. counterterrorism official Richard Clarke who was a national security officer in the Clinton and both bush administration says he fears even worse scenarios away like the US getting pulled into war against the cyber army capable of hacking the country's conventional weapons systems just how prepared is the United States for cyber war Richard Clark joins us to discuss that in his new book the fifth domain defending our country our companies and our selves in the age of cyber threats were also going to talk with him about ongoing tensions with Iran and today settlement in the Equifax data breach which affected a hundred forty seven million U. S. consumers and that includes fifteen million Californians and Richard Clarke pleased to have you back with us inform welcome to the program it's good to be back I guess the place I'd like to begin with you is just getting to one of the central questions are you raising here maybe the central question and I should say for the benefit of listeners that when we talk about the fifth of may we're talking about land sea air and space is being the four domains this is the what the Pentagon calls the fifth of may in cyberspace and we just have Bulgaria that was hacked I mean when a whole country is hacked you have to kind of really raise your eyebrows above your head and think where are we so that's why I want to begin with you where are we particularly since you bring up the real potential threat of cyber war how prepared are we well ten years ago rob Kentucky my co author line rather vocal cyber war in which we said over the course of the next several years hacking will stop being a teenage boys in their mother's basement Adil become nation states in the army's instead of just stealing money we'll be stealing intellectual property and we'll be doing destruction damage disruption unfortunately we were right unfortunately what's valid and listen to you today well enough but we're also wrong in some respects because we said ten years ago no company will be able to defend itself against a major nation state attacker and that's not true we were wrong well there are a lot of companies today we call them in the book the dogs the did not park along the companies today that are successfully defending themselves another being resilient using existing technology and so we try in the book to say things are not all bad and we try to ask how is it that some companies are good at this what did they do to get it right you mention the word resilience is the key word here you're talking about cyber resilience you're also talking about a partnership between government and the private sector but when you talk about resilience really talking about more defense and attack yeah those so when we say resilience we were kind of lowering the bar a little you know in the old days we said don't let the bad guys in to your network we now know that that's impossible we don't have perimeters anymore networks used a big fire walls and everything was behind the firewall now you're taking your corporate your company network with you on that company I phone on our own the company laptop that you may have at home so there's no perimeter and the bad guys will get in but in the resilient company they don't get very far we talk in the book about something called the kill chain which is the seven or eight steps an attacker has to go through to be successful well they only have to be stopped at one of those steps and there's technology for each of them the following the attacker and to Wall them off to contain them to prevent the attack from spreading and then to restore services quickly if you can do all that in a matter of minutes then you are a resilient company well you make the case that since we now have over three thousand new technology firms with a lot of VC backing that cyber insurance yet banks are more secure this kind of optimism in your book there is on the other hand you know I think if you stand on the street corner in San Francisco or OR Paulo although when you say I have an idea for a new cyber security company five people rush at you to give you money the the result of that is there we too many cyber security companies and the annual RSA convention at the Moscone the center there are three thousand vendors all selling pretty much the same thing it all involves a machine learning and the automatic defense and the the all the same jargon very hard for companies to find the good security products in that maze it also it spreads the security talent out too thin Bob Ackerman of leeches capital that on the bucket Erro told us eat this is like the peanut butter being spread too thin there aren't that many talented people and if you put them in three thousand companies other not going to be as productive as if there were a handful of companies providing all the services sorry I think about the pain of other matter for wanting to smooth or chunky we're talking to Richard Clarke Clark who is a security expert former national security officer and the Clinton and both bush administrations and now has a book out with rubber Kannaki called the fifth domain defending our country our companies and our cells in the age of cyber threats of notice on the back of Oakley and Panetta says cyber bay is cyberspace is the battlefield of the future and I think that's probably correct and that's a very central point to your book they also say the future is here already as Andy Grove used to say or is maybe Toffler used to say in future shock with Russia China and Iran we're here aren't we yeah we are you know Dan coats is the director of national intelligence and he testified before the Congress in open session in March saying that we have to fear the Russian Chinese Iranian and north Korean militaries in cyberspace because they're all active there is the cyber activities going on every day this month none of the United States attacked Iran after they shot down one of our drones the president did not respond with missiles and bombs responded to the cyber attack last October nine a prior to the the election United States attacked the Russian troll and bought form in Saint Petersburg the White House sleep recently the the United States has worked its way into the command system of the Russian electric power grid so those are just the things we know of that the US is doing and all of these nations are active every day and one thing so stuck said with Iran and now things are more tense perhaps and they have been a long time with the run but also as you point out Russia in effect in many people's minds declared war on us in the last election it seems that all the intelligence agencies despite president trump's views to the contrary were of one accord and believing that Russia compromise our election process isn't Russia also shut down Ukraine power grid which was from your judgment likely maybe even a kind of rehearsal a presentation for an attack on the United States no they did it twice on two occasions the Russians went into the control system for the Ukrainian power grid and shut down the grid and what we right in the in the book the system main is according to the experts we talked to a given them where they were and the controls they could have caused the transmitters the generators on to blow up and if you lose that kind of hardware from a software attack you can because hardware to blow up it could be months before some of that stuff is replaced we think that could happen here according to US intelligence the Russians are in the control of our power grid so that any time well when we're butting heads with them somewhere the president of the United States has to know if you go too far with them suddenly in New York or San Francisco might be without power espy invited without power let's talk about breaches from if we could because there was a data breach department Veterans Affairs back in two thousand six and about twenty six million veterans and military personnel were affected by that now we have the settlement was made with Equifax all data of literally millions there was compromise there and one has to ask the question of what is really being done in a broader sense about these breaches I mean they're still going on the dark web is still there and you say there maybe six steps are and what you say a number of steps clearly they can go through and you can defend against but we still have all these huge creatures a fax from what we know of it from public reporting it was sort of gross negligence by that company and you know they're being hit with a fine but they can afford it Facebook was hit by a fine by the Federal Trade Commission recently for privacy data bridges losses Anna compromises and that was of five billion dollars is nothing to Facebook merry out was hit the by the U. by the European Union with a hundred and twenty three million dollar fund for privacy violations that's nothing to Maria I think these phone lines that need to change we need to find the the senior executives personally we need to find the the board members personally and we need to ban of people from a corporate practice so they should be banned from any publicly trading company for five years of their board member or senior executive when attack occurs and it can be blamed on negligence just finding them is not going to change anything so bigger onus on the owners on the operators you're saying essentially yeah it if if you can prove negligence and that there ought to be sort of an N. T. S. B. you know when there's an airplane crash on the national transportation safety board jumps in and does forensics and tries to figure out who's accountable wasn't the jet engine wasn't the aircraft was the radio system wasn't the whoever we now have an NTSB that looks at major cyber bridges and names names the terms accountability on and then another organization that has significant power to find people individuals and to get them out of the business no one on the board of directors of Equifax is being punished for this on the Equifax profit will take a minor hit as well Facebook America minor hits even their stocks typically aren't affected for more than a few days and then they bounce back so we have to make the loss of this data significant what if we find people we say in the book what if we find people on the number of identities that were compromised what if you got hit with a ten thousand dollar fine for every one of those identities that were compromised that's a much bigger fall what about the possibility though still let's get back to the government's role in this you talk more about that when we were talking more about the breaches and what would be the consequences for companies being negligent and so forth but the government is not exactly been on top of things here and I think we are we in a situation where he pointed out your book we're take over of power grid let alone election hacking all these things can happen hacking our conventional weapons system two can happen and you run into the problem of finding out attribution who's responsible if you've intimated before well at your vision used to be difficult in large part because attackers pretend to be somebody else you know the old joke nobody on the internet can know your dog right we don't know sometimes without getting in essays investigators involved or C. I. A.'s investigators who these people are but attribution is possible in the proof of that is on the justice department website if you go to the justice department website there are names of hackers who are Russian intelligence officers the Chinese people's Liberation Army officers north Korean Iranian not only their names but their pictures so I don't wanna get into how we know their names or how we got their pictures but clearly if we have their names and we have their pictures we can say this Chinese officer attack this American company on this day then I think we have solved the attribution problem for the most part talking with Robert Clark and he was the wrong address a collection he was Robert Kannaki is the author of the system main defending our country our companies and our sales in the age of cyber threats he'll be appearing at the Commonwealth club tomorrow here in San Francisco at six thirty and a couple of books in Menlo Park at seven thirty on Wednesday and opportunities speak with him and talk about cyber security in fact let me go the number now and invite those of you listening to join us we do welcome your involvement in the program and.

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