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12/22/2020 - Hour 2 -Told You Big Ben and the Steelers Were Frauds
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Second hour of the program on a trash talking tuesday in the final hour free people get a chance to call up and trash anything or any warn in the world of sports and given that. We're doing your christmas. Maybe they'll do it in a very nice way. I don't know how people are you know. People are mean that they have that that reputation at times of being mean. All right. let me ask you something. So pittsburgh did not look good. Pittsburgh lost again and last night to the lowly bengals. It's one thing to lose. It's another to lose now consistently but the bigger issue is last night. They lost to the bengals. Pittsburgh was eleven and three going into the game. There were fourteen and a half point favorites that loss match their third largest upset. Defeat since nineteen sixty six. They started to know and now they are the third team just thirteen to ever lose their next three games. I know that you believe the steelers were frauds. I look at it just a little differently. They got off to a great start. And you see this. Sometimes you know it's not really how you start it's how you finish and what they've done is not only if they hit a speed bump. They've hit a roadblock and it seems to be coming apart at exactly the wrong time and they'll make the playoffs but if this continues there one and done they're out and something happened. They kinda crumbled here. And it's not getting any better. Momentum means an awful lot and if you're finishing like this you know what's going to happen down the road for. Here's the problem. I have and this is why i call them the worst eleven. Oh team i had ever seen because even when they were winning and they were eleven and no it was like some data close game against dallas. They struggled against some teams that they shouldn't have they beat up on a lot of also ran teams as well. So i kept looking at the schedule looking at who they beat looked at the struggles and i wasn't impressed even though they had lost and there were eleven. Oh and now you gotta take a look at it and say when they were eleven. No fred nobody thought they were going to the super bowl. It was still all about the chiefs in the bills right. How could you be eleven in no and not be mentioned for the super bowl fred. You know why 'cause you're frauds. The pittsburgh steelers were fraud the whole year. They were never the best team in the league. Ever not even the best team in the afc. Forget about the league and now look big. Ben he's falling apart. The steelers now scored fewer than twenty points in four straight games. And that's the worst under. Ben rothlisberger fred since twenty four. That's how long it's been sixteen years. They haven't done what they're doing now. And in the first half of the year. I mean the first half of the game yesterday. Big ben only had seven net passing yards. If you can believe that and had just two first downs have more turnovers at three turnovers in the first half it was as ugly as it can get ugly in fact and the bengals aren't a good team. They don't have their star quarterback right. Joe mixing was missing. They're running back. They didn't have anybody. How in the world could the steelers who were fourteen and a half point favorites. Not only not cover. Forget about that but lose they lost for one of the reasons you pointed out there. They weren't as good as people thought. But if you're eleven or no you're pretty good. Rob i think the issue here and you touched on it with ben rothlisberger staying around at the party too long. Only bad can happen and the steelers are going to be exactly what they are but now he's not the guy quite frankly. I believe to get them over the hump. It's time has passed. And they have to start looking at a different direction that to say he's not a serviceable. Nfl quarterback he is. But if you just look over a period of time he's not the guy he was and he's never going to be that again and that's a tough transition to make if you're the pittsburgh steelers to get rid of somebody that you've counted on that has been there for you. That is led you that has had success with you but really they need to take a deep look at what they're doing because they've been exposed. That's what happened here there. Eleven than they lose three straight. They're exposed no doubt and the hardest thing to do in sports for notice is to let somebody go probably bill. Belichick is famous for this letting you go year too early a year or two too early for a year or two too late. You know you fall in love with people and you live in the past. And i get it big. Ben got off to a great start first. Ten games of the year that would tend to no twenty four touchdown only five picks quarterback rating of over one. Oh one but now for the last four one in three six touchdowns to five picks quarterback rating of seventy four point four. That's fallen off the cliff. And here's a better one and the last week games. The steelers offense is worse than the jets. Pittsburgh alwyn three averaging sixteen point three points the jets one into averaging eighteen points about that. That's how bad it's gotten and see. Here's the problem. Because they are successful. There could have an opportunity to draft anybody. They need to start looking down the road. I mean this pretty much shows it. But how do you do that. You know you're either really good or really bad. If you find yourself in the middle you really a no-man's-land and isn't that where the steelers are going to end up in the middle in no-man's-land but you can't really do anything in no-man's-land because anybody you might consider like a trevor lawrence. They're never going to get him. But but i'm saying is those guys are going to be gone before they have an opportunity to look forward but with a spot to be in. I guess my question to you though is. He has one year left on his contract next year. Is it time to move off of him now like like next year. Not even wait. Would you bring him back. Say season collapses. Okay right and they lose in the first round they get to the playoffs. Obviously eleven wins are going to get to the playoffs and they lose in the first round and big. Ben doesn't play well and continues to struggle as he has fred the last four games. Do you owe him the one more year. The guy one year couple of super bowl. Do you know what i mean. He's been a fixture for longtime any organization. Or do you say to yourself. Thanks but no. Thanks and and make a move. It's a transitional quarterback for it you know to. You could drop one or find another one. Just a stopgap. How can you bring ben rothlisberger back next year. We'll do you owe him no you. Don't you paid him. You paid him when he was there. You don't owe him another year if you don't believe he can get you to where you need to be. Here's the problem. Rob if you're going to make a decision like that. You say a transitional quarterback who is it off the cliff. No no but there'll be some guys who will be. And i'm just i'm just like cam. Newton might not come back to new england. I'm just saying. I'm not saying it's cam newton. Because he did have a year that would make you want to run out and sign them. But i'm saying somebody of that ilk who is cut loose who's available. I don't know maybe the jets do get the first pick and they decide on trevor lawrence. Do you make a package to get sam. Darnold if you if you the steelers do you see what i'm saying. Fran you're saying no. I get what you're saying and the first thing is you don't wanna play the name game and what is the name game cam newton's available. Let's go get them. That's our guy i mean. He's had success. You don't wanna play the name game. If you could take a run at sam darnold who that was the name. I was gonna bring up to you. He's young you really don't know what he can do. Because he's played for the jets. Brains beat out but he does have skill. He was highly thought of when he came out of college. If you can get a guy like that bring him in and take a look at him. Okay if he can play. Maybe you're good to go if he can't play all right. Then go out and draft a quarterback but at the very least your moving forward and if you keep being in that position your sedentary you're not going anywhere you're stuck. You're not gonna move forward. You probably won't move backward a lot but that puts you in. No man's land in the middle in the middle just doesn't cut it i. It's not what you want to be. You want definitely have a quarterback in the wings ready to go. I mean not too many teams get it like that. We saw that in green bay right. Would brett farve and aaron rodgers sat there for three years and then was ready to go so they've had great quarterback play for what twenty five years. You know what i mean with. You is most organizations. Don't have that. But but green bay had it and pittsburgh in that spot and i think them winning covered up a lot of stuff and i know ben played pretty well early on so nobody was talking about him. Not coming back. But i just can't see how they'll live down the season to be eleven to know and have this season crash and burn fred and people look at ben and go dude. He's washed i mean. I wonder what people think like pittsburgh steeler fans. They can't be happy. You can't be eleven and all had zero expectations for the and that's where the steelers are zero. It's a fair point because they are not as good as buffalo who. I have number one in my power. Rankings they're not as good as kansas city. So what does that mean. Here's the frustration in baltimore gets in. They might not be better in baltimore. They might not be they might not be. Here's the frustration and it's something fans deal with all the time. The objective is to win win a championship and getting close gets frustrating. You know you get close. Then a period of time. They expected to get over the top. Get over the hump and win if you get close and don't win. People get really frustrated with that. It's about as far as you can go and maybe with the steelers now. This is about as far as they can go. They're not going to improve dramatically. They'll be okay okay is not gonna cut it. And that's why when you're looking at a decision lake a ben rothlisberger. You have to decide. Okay am i or am. I not gonna make that move. Am i gonna pull the plug and gone a different direction. It might hurt. Rob you know that you might hurt you. Pull that bandage off. It might hurt. But you've got to do something because otherwise you're just in the exact same spot and i get it. It's tough when a guy's one super bowl. You know what. I mean i it. It ain't that easy to to just poo poo and act like it's no big deal to make a change but sometimes you have to. Have the pittsburgh. Steelers been exposed. That is the question should they consider moving from big ben after the season. Eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine. We'll continue the conversation with you next. It's the odd couple with fred rogan. In for chris on fox sports radio fox. Sports radio has the best sports. Talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. Sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live this christmas disney and pixar invite you to discover. What is it that makes you from the studio that brought you inside out and up comes the new film. Soul which the evening standard calls breathtakingly bold and nothing. We've seen before seoul follow. Joe gardner voiced by jamie foxx middle school band teacher. 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Discovery channel plus Okay rob we were talking before the break about what the steelers should do with ben rothlisberger big ben and is it time to move on again if you're not at the top and not at the bottom trying to get to the top you're really in no man's land detroit lions and they've kind of been at the bottom and can't climb out you find yourself looking up and you can't get out are the steelers in danger of getting there because they're not going to move. This is what they are. We're seeing it and when they get to the playoffs. It'll be proven. Let's see if anybody wants to comment on that raw. Eight seven seven nine hundred nine on. Fox's the number. Let's go to joe in stockton california. You're on the couple fox sports radio what you got joe. Oh man is absolutely gone with First of all you gotta you gotta ripe. I get off campus. I go straight and then bring him in and trae less than the draft was paid on because they want amy play. Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute. Okay so wait. Aren't you playing the name game. Aren't you playing the name game. let's get let's get. You might be the wrong answer. He's not playing. He didn't play new orleans by but he has great potential. And i just think that the teams give up on her to bed too fast and it doesn't i just think that he'd be a perfect transition big. Got the arm strength. Trae laszlo be a comment just like jalen came in. The kid has a super potential. And he's gonna drop because they're gonna they're gonna say oh you only play one game just like everybody. To play. sang wasn't complaining. No doubt i think he can play. And he's too young not to get another opportunity fred at some point and i know they didn't play him because they gave type taste some hill all that money and i guess they had to justify why you give them that money if you're not gonna play 'em you know when the time comes which they did. Alex in oregon. You're on the odd couple fox. Sports radio was up. Alex rob fred. How are you doing great. How are you good to hear at. I'm great. Thanks on the way how i think about this Thing with big ben and it and it seems like as in today's great quarterbacks they play longer right they tell their you know late thirties early forties but almost all of them team to wear down the last Four five six games of the season. Manning did brees has brady has and You know the sooner the steelers can go. Let your own sooner. they can move on. it's hard but the patriots does Suffered this year. But i think they'll be back soon. It's gotta find the right guy. And that's how do you know the problem with the patriots. They didn't suffer enough. That's the problem. What do you mean. well. Here's what i mean. They're going to find the right guy. You know ideally it would have been the worst season in patriots history and then it could attract drafted trevor lawrence. They didn't know what they they're not gonna follow that route. Do you know what i mean like. I know what you're saying. They could tank. Don't sign cam. Put stem in there right and be terrible right. Beata the jets but what bill belichick's going for that. Do you know what i mean like like. It's just not fred something that he wanted on his record that tom brady leaves and they go one and fifteen. Yeah that that brings up the question. Who won the divorce brady or ballot check while still early. It's still early because we have to see all right andre massachusetts. You're on the odd couple fox sports radio which got audrey. How you doing guys. Thanks for taking my call list. I don't think time for pittsburgh to cut and run from ben roethlisberger. I think this is time to circle the wagons and kinda fortify what you have obviously pittsburgh organization you know they don't give up on guys Cower common their long tenures took no before that my point is filled with girls. But andre dolts coaches. They coach a long time playing. You can't hold on think. Ben looks good to you. Oh absolutely not after the three straight losses. My only point is. I think now's the time for continuity obviously next year. You can draft a quarterback i e green bay like jordan luck and groom him under roxburgh. Now's the time really stand behind you. People yeah but here's the thing you really don't know how good love is going to be drafted him immediately. It was aaron rodgers. Better watch himself. Aaron rodgers don't have to watch himself at all not at all. I mean he's having an mvp season fry right right. You don't you don't you. Don't know how good he's going to be. And if you're trying to draft an understudy in today's nfl. There's no understudy you get in there and play. Jalen hurts is playing in philadelphia now. Everybody plays now. This isn't the old days. I don't think you'll have another guy like an aaron rodgers fred to sit on the bench for three years. I mean it's just not doable. Right in this man's nfl. No and when when you invest a a high pick or first round pick your fan base expects them to play the years ago rob. You're right you'd sit you learn you get your opportunity and then you'd step in. That doesn't happen anymore. You've got guys playing right away. Justin herbert for the chargers. No boroughs who's elected by the bengals exactly. Did you really want to be joe burrow and play for the bengals knowing that you're not going to have a lot of protection and he looked really good but you could tell he could play even losing in. You know what. I mean and not having the best talent. Yeah you still felt like this guy can play the. He had the greatest college season for quarterback and people questioning. Whether or not he was that good. I think they answered those questions. Absolutely i. that's it. We got on calls. So we'll get a guest coming up pretty soon life. All we do indeed and coming to you live from the fox. Sports geico radio studios. Is it time for the steelers. They'll move on from big ben former. Nfl general manager. Charley casserly has the answer and he's got to get to his right in a second here but i fox. Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup. In the nation catch all of our shows at fox sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. s. are to listen live. Charley casserly former. Nfl general manager and nfl network analyst. Jon bon with us right now. Charlie how are you tonight. Great he's doing. We're doing good shali. What's up yeah well happy holidays. Everybody how about that one. No it as to you know and you know who's off chris. We saw of course charlie. I'm here holding down. The fort would fred rogan but we got a lot. Nfl stuff you want to jump into the started and is a guy that sat in the chair and made decisions. I'm curious to get your take on this big band in pittsburgh up. He's struggled recently. If you're sitting in that chair and analyzing what you're seeing. I what are you thinking and second. What are you thinking for the future. Well you need a quarterback and oh okay. You need a quarterback okay. Let's start tackle. You really don't have a proven guy behind him That's number one. You don't have a young guy behind him that you you're excited about and you're sure it could be a now. They may think differently than i do. I'm just going by guys. Played last shift Ben it's interesting First of all Let's say let's take ben out of the equation for a second. Look at the picture. When you defense pittsburgh they. They've got four good receivers but they don't have a one they don't have a guy that forces double coverage isn't changes concept which play him And they don't have it at tight end wide receiver so every everything's been short game. Get it out quick quick which they did last year. Well ben was there okay. So eventually to me defensively you can shrink the fielded defended and they really don't have running games over time. This was going to catch up with them. i think. Schematically that's number one number two You can't judge this on tape accurately. But i talked to somebody that seen them play live recently and he says ben co looks like he's playing hurt. I know pittsburgh said he's not hurt. So what what we might be saying is say no. Maybe he looks like he's playing old right so somewhere in there It's not right with them. But i'm saying a bigger picture. This plus they've lost some key players on defense and that has changed defense in their front seven because the corners to me beatable. Now you've taken to critical guys out of the front seven at linebacker and dupree it outside. Linebacker is our lumber. You've changed that whole school too. So that kind of kids into the big picture. The team jani. Let's talk about the jets. Who shocked the rams came out to la. They will always thirteen and they. They beat the rams and dropped to number two right now as far as the draft and a chance of getting trevor lawrence but but people have to understand players. Don't care about a year and and who they're going to draft guys wanna play in one a win am i. Right is that y players went out and just played and didn't care about giving up draft position the players and the coaches. They all wanna win. I'll tell you a story we've been in this one here so you like help people smart enough to get the last pick in the draft me when super bowl and dumb to get the. I have the worst records so two thousand six. We're playing san francisco in san francisco for the last game of the year. And if we lose we have the first pick in the draft if we win okay. Then we're like five or six. Well we play to win the game and we lost over time. Got the first pick in the draft. I mean i. It's hurting average. You play to win the player like you said the players want to win. And i said the coaches want win and new orleans. Wasn't you know. I guess rail lines to play any and usually when you win the game and that way he block a punt you get attornal so that's really how you ended up losing those games and they did but you know remember now. There's two sizes jacksonville's. Now got the i pay right. And that's due to games go so a lot can change so charlie i. I made a comment earlier. And do you agree or disagree with the most difficult thing to do is kind of in the middle can be in no man's land where you're okay. You're not great. You're not terrible so you can't really do anything in the draft. You just kinda stuck in the middle. Yeah it's it's not as bad as like basketball. Okay because you do have a lot of options to get players with free agency and And and you do a good job drafting and you pick up some guys in the middle rounds so you do have more okay but quarterback is you know you're always sitting there saying Pittsburgh where we're going to get a quarterback from where we drafted so that that that's the one that comes up the most But enough teams have found one along the way so i agree with you are many solutions in television. I don't say this. But i think it's all right if you're not in the playoffs get the best pickier. Can now when you were the team. Actually don't think like that. No doubt charlie. Tom brady was not named to the pro bowl. I think that the voters got it right. I think he's had an up and down kind of year and with all the weapons everybody thought he was going to flourish and it wasn't that smooth being named to the nfc pro bowl. You're i. I didn't have any problem with that. I think that He's had his moments where he's played well they don't seem to be in sync With a fluid offense To me most of the time watching them and trying to figure out what their identity is You know just to give you an orleans you know. They got beaten oil. Is this a bad match up for them. They can't protect against the orleans. Right corner samir susceptible so a good passing team can beat them so they have a couple of things that bother me going into the playoffs and assuming they're five If they get washington in that opening washington has gibson the running. Back smith back. That's gonna be a tough one for believe it or not. That would be automatic right. They got a good defensive front line. Don't they they do. And they're secondary has done a great job of taking away the big play though. I do think that all of your right They can rush the passer And the other thing is smith and get sacked and They can cost tampa problems When smith is in there so and the giants almost beat him now. Because you know what. Do you call it. The quarterback awful throwing a game so dumb. Throw the cost of the game. So they've had their moments where they've been on the fence But i do think it just seems like they they they. They should be better than they are offense. And they haven't they haven't got the continuity that you're looking for charley. Casserly is with us fred. And in for chris bruce side along with rob parker on fox. Sports radio's odd couple of final question. What what do you make of what's going on in philadelphia with carson wentz. He said if. I'm not gonna play. I want to be traded. Jalen hurts stepped in plays very differently than carson wentz and the team looks different. What are you doing that situation charlie. Well right now wouldn't trade once okay. I got asked to be traded. So you just pass one off that. I think that i'd i'd i. I'm not sold on her being the ultimate answer though they. He has the he's played. I haven't studied this game yet. I've got to do that later tonight. For tomorrow and fell network But in the first game he really did it with his legs any and they caught the orleans off balance with their quarterback runs cetera. Study him in this game. How did I'm a better handle but with to me with wins first of all historically when you have this situation. There's a coach that gets changed man. Happy that coach. But it'll be somebody historically you don't know what the phillies gonna do. But hey we got. We got a coach. This guy better. So that discussion going to happen And the other thing is. I think this guy would be better. In more of the i called the shanahan offense The zone runs the bootlegs. The play action getting them out of pocket on design plays I think honorees he'd be better. He holds the ball. Why hold the ball. Well the defenses will tell you. They don't think he reads it as fast as he should. I don't know so to me. Maybe a different scheme might get this guy going again. Yeah there was definitely talk that some general managers are not anonymous. Were saying that they still think that long-term winces better quarterback then hurts. But this'll be interesting to see how this plays out you know. Obviously they didn't win their last game but they competed. So we'll see how that works out. All right charlie. Thanks so much. Charlie cast general manager. nfl network analyst. Follow him on twitter at charley casserly. Okay there's a big difference between requesting a trade and whatever in the world james harden is doing in. Houston we get to that next. It's the odd couple with fred rogan. In for chris on sports radio fox sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at fox. 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Always fred i you know whenever we get a chance to get together with whether it's on your show. Am five seventy here in los angeles fox sports radio we love it and rob also does our tv show going rogue in in los angeles. Okay you know. The story of james harden is really interesting. Because here's a guy that wants out desperately wants out but to me. He is sabotaging himself in the process. What do you think. yeah. I mean this is. This is bad when you and fred. This is where you know you want some professionalism you give a guy forty million dollars right year to play basketball and you know. He sign the extension. You know eddie house we had earlier. Fred talked about that. Fifty one million dollars said he wouldn't sign and he wants out and now you seeing him either. Talking about his teammates came back looking a little puffy in the training camp. Look like he was a low fat chubby and what else to say. And now you're getting him where he's at clubs. I don't know is it a. Is it a club that turned into a strip club or whatever it is but he doesn't have a mask on so that's going to put other people in jeopardy right. You're in crowd fred. You take that into the locker room and this is not the bubble. There's a chance he could pass that onto his teammates. He could be out colbert. I mean this is not a pretty picture at. What do you do fred. If you're the rockets and your management when you got a guy doesn't wanna play see you're in trouble here. Because he made it known from the very beginning he wanted out He didn't report on time. He was In vegas hanging out at birthday parties doing what he wanted to do gets their out of shape then continues his behavior. I think and this is up to each organization. This character count. does it matter. Yeah it does but you know what the problem is. It does but when you have guys who are so skilled and they're only a ham. It ain't like this for the james harden and sitting on the side who can score the basketball like that it is such they're only four hundred. Mba jobs and there's only fred what what would you say six or eight or ten guys who could change a franchise all why yup. That's it so when you get one of them you got nope. Where's your leverage of chance. Say i'm not going to sign them or were we'll we'll we'll take your contract away. Sit on the sideline. then we won't use you see. Here's what's happened. He's become exposed. And here's why character does count. At least i always believe that. And if you make a trade for james harden right now if brooklyn where to trade for or there was talk to sixers. We're going to trade for him. You understand that. Whatever you're doing has now changed. Whatever you're attempting is now going be different. Because he's a different guy and it's going to run through him. He's not a number one he's a great number two. He thinks he's a number one and he's a great shooter. He's a great score. But you're going to have to upend everything you do because let's put it like this. He's not gonna fit in with you given the way he plays. You're going to have to fit in with him so whatever you've built whatever you're trying is immediately going to change and then you don't know if it's going to change for the better you do know he's going to score a lot of points that you do know. Is that going to really be the difference maker in the playoffs where he has struggled. I don't know and that's the problem you have do. You wanna be relevant right with the great player fred. Who get you there and put you in a would a chance to win or would you rather say would just going to strip it down and start all over and do something else because this is not gonna work. It's not going to get a championship but without him. We won't even get to the playoffs. So which one do you wanna be right. Look at it like this. Look at russell. Westbrook no disrespect if you watch him during the regular season. That is a guy that's gonna put people in the seats. That is a guy that's going to bring people to the edge of their seat. He's an exciting player in the playoffs. Not so much by not so much. So if you commit to a russell westbrook if you commit to a james harden you know what you're getting and i always like to say once you get and you got him and when you got him. What are you going to do with him. If he can't get you to a point where you wanna title that. Why do you need him. That that's the. I i hear you and what you're saying is logical. But it's a business. Fred and you still and i know people aren't going to games right now but still trying to sell tickets. You have a local tv and radio package. You gotta have a starter. People wanna come see. There's all that that goes into the mix where it's not chess. No matter what team we put up and we tell people we're going to rebuild that is going to be three or four years people don't buy into that people won't spend money for that well. They didn't spend money as an example when the lakers went through what they went through they just stopped caring as much mine. They went out and got lebron james. But you've got lebron james and you were out of the mix the latest for six years. Were were in no man's land. You talked about a fred. They didn't matter relevant irrelevant. But the danger here again rob. Is this go. Get james harden i i do think character counts and i understand. He is a difference maker. He is game changer. In the minds of the fans. I'm with you on that. But thirty seconds when you're going through what he is right now and this this approach that's that's a negative for me and then understanding if you get him you've got that might not pan out either. I don't know if i would build my team around. 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04/23/2021 - Hour 2 - Baker Mayfield Has Entered the Pressure Cooker
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And i appreciate you appreciate every i'm on his tv. Show going rogan and fred. And i've gone out to eat and hang out man. I appreciate the friendship. Fred for real well and i do too. And that's what makes it so fascinating that in the first hour of your show. Today we didn't agree on one thing now. We did not not well. Let me ask you this before we get to our next topic and start talking about it for you know like to save a little money. What about you like. I told the story yesterday. I got a couch delivery to my apartment and it was ripped a little piece of it was ripped so the guy said you can either have it sent back until they give you another one or i can send a picture and and get you a discount thirty percent off so of course. I took the couch with the rip for thirty percent. Are you fr- you try to save money or or you like no you know like where are you. You don't me. I've always tried to save up. No if he told me you give me thirty percent. I'd say make it fifty fifty. I want the money up. No i'm trying to save money. I'm looking for a deal with that. No kelly used to work at nbc and would write books and she was the first female news anchor in america. Kelly lang we call her the queen and if your from southern california or even nationally probably have heard the name at some point. Kelly lang retired now. She used to write these. These steamy mystery novels. You know and You know. I can't remember what the book chain was back. Then but you know bide here. The tagline was. If you didn't buy it here you pay too much. And i always used to tell her you know if they bought it there. They didn't pay enough for your book. Kelly wanted money. Kelly wanted money. Well i always look for a discount. I just did you know. I think money's hard to come by anybody listening right now. You know what they're busting their but they're earning a living. They're taking care of themselves or their families or both and it's hard so yeah you could save a buck. I i people always like well. You got it. It's not that i don't have it. It's just that. I don't wanna give it away if i don't have to and if you could get yourself a work yourself deal why not. I'm not saying nyc like i'm screaming poverty or you know what i mean. I don't have two nickels to rub together. But if there's a discount if we're going out to lunch fred and i got a two for one coupon. Do you care to for one coupon if we go out to lunch kit. Audrey lunch right. I think it's great now. I do think there is some one troubling aspect to your approach. I will say this. And i'm sure your listeners know this in your many fans you're the only man the only man i know that actually sells things out of his own closet. Now that i think is a trade off and not only that but puts it on twitter or and says do you want to buy my shoes. Hit me up now. That rob i think might be crossing the line. I i just think people out there who look sneakers outer wear down so they're in great condition and naked. Get a deal on. Some of those guys are very very appreciative to be able to get a pair joins that maybe they couldn't afford at full price slightly gently worn. And i make a deal. I speaking of making a deal. You know what the browns did make the deal. All the way with baker mayfield. And here's the deal. Baker mayfield had a fifth year option and the browns decided to pick up that option. That's great he's gonna make eighteen million dollars so the good news is when you see him on those progressive spots he can pay the mortgage at the field were apparently he lives. He's going to make a million they pick up his fifth year option. All is good but consider this. They could have easily extended him. They still can rob during the season but they could have got that extension done before this season began. And what does that say to me. That says this. You and i work for a living. We both have contracts if our contractors about to come up and we know what's up in a year in the boss calls us in. And so i wanna talk to rob and you know doing a good job. We're not going to extend you. We're not gonna do that but we're going to do is pick you up for one more year we'll give you another year but we're not going to extend you okay when you hear that you're thinking oh i got a problem here or you know. They're not really sold on me because they could extend me and we both been through contract negotiations. They could pick it up if somebody told me. I'm going to give you one more year. I go well then. You know what. I'm going to go. Because i know what that means. It's not going to get better for me. I don't know what i would have to do to earn that extension in that situation. So if i'm baker. Mayfield i'm happy. He's a professional athlete. He's making eighteen million dollars and he's got a really good roster around him but this is a year where whatever steps they need to take. In my opinion. They need to take now. We'll also have this the quarterbacks coming out next year's draft not the level of this year's okay so maybe that buys him a little time but that is not a vote of confidence rob. When somebody says we'll pick up your option instead of will extend you. As many young quarterbacks have had done to them yes. But i think also it's business from the standpoint of the organization doesn't have to do it and he didn't have to pick up these extension of fifth year extension. I mean they didn't have to do that. They could have said we're not buying into him and we're not going to do it but they did do that. And i understand what you're saying it. It would be great if they go. Oh yeah here's a four year contract extension. Here's all this money and greenwich baker mayfield. Hasn't exactly lit the world on fire but last year was a great step forward. So i think it's a great idea of the browns to and set of size incentive maximize. It sent a vase the whole season in that baker. We need you. You made a big step this year. You take one more step next year. And you're going to get paid but but if i'm baker i gotta feel good with where we are what they've done. Which was they won. Ten eleven game. Fred made the playoffs breach of arch-rival and beaten badly. Right baby pittsburgh badly and if and you're gonna although beckham back in a couple of other players like dig gearing up for next year if i'm baker i don't feel like oh my god i got so much pressure gotta win. Otherwise they're not gonna give me contrary. I should be feeling good about where what progress you may last year. And what is their sitting waiting for you if you continue to progress and if you don't then the organization has to make a decision there but i don't think it's a total slap. They don't have to do it before they need to. Because other times teams have done it for it and got bitten in the but by by extending somebody prematurely right. Zeke elliott guts extended prematurely and got a contract app to hold on. Has he been the same running back since he got his contract. Not even close. No so. I think that nobody listening but go ahead say. Let's talk quarterback. Rob jared goff got an extension from the rams women jerry. Golf took a team to the super bowl. Jared goff was a two time. Pro bowler juerg was. A quarterback of the fifth grade is offense in the history of the nfl. They are not the same as baker mayfield. He did get to the super bowl whether you wanna lost or he played well enough read. So we cannot pooh-poohing jared goff didn't do anything carson. Wentz cut an extension course it. Well almost one an mvp had. He not been hurt that year at to me. He also rallied his team. Two years ago beat up. No receiver. do you remember. They beat dallas in the game near the end of the year to win the division. And all the i get it. He played poorly last year but the year before he had rallied a mass unit. And they want. And you're right. He had to take an ambulance to the contract. Signing i get it. But he's so beat up. But i could see where the potential is greater. Baker has more to prove because the early years. Fred were nearly as good as the other. Two guys. you mentioned. that's fair. They could a franchise tag them to pay more money. All i'm saying. Is you think this is a vote of confidence. I think this is as if you went to court and you were pleading. You plead no contest. This is not a vote of confidence. This is no contest. We're not saying you're guilty. We're not saying you're innocent. No contest and for him. Psychologically yeah he's a professional football player he's got to perform. But then what is the standard rob. What has become for baker mayfield. What does he have to show them how much it have to than last year. How many more games do they have to win the last year but wait a minute. People were seen. We're in a different. Nfl now we just saw. Jared goff went to the super bowl. They got rid of him. They're moving from quarterbacks like left and right now that's the that's the trend because you get to restart the clock. Sam darnold had a terrible supporting cast are bad coach in adam gays and he got one out of new york right after three years. My point is they if they wanted to pull the plug on baker and really believe he was an issue or problem. They could have done that and they didn't do it. So i'm saying saying i get it. If you get a contract extension before like fernando tatis. He was four years away from warwick. Am i right and gave him we hundred million dollars guaranteed how twenty two twenty two twenty two years old. That's a ringing endorsement. Okay from him. Baker mayfield is not fernando tat. Teach junior i under. I understand what you're saying. And i get that. They could have given him a two year deal. But what they're saying here. Rob is we have a good roster. We think will be really competitive this year. We're looking around and actually baker with all due respect for eighteen million dollars. We can't find anybody better. That doesn't mean we don't want somebody better. That means in our estimation in our view. We can't find anybody about it. So you're the guy so go out there and knock them down but then again it comes down to this. What is the expectation here. Rob what does he have to do. Because you mentioned. Sam darnold is baker. Mayfield better than sam. Darnold sam darnold and been in a better situation what you've been. Baker mayfield is baker. Mayfield better than sam darnold. That's what i'm saying. A lot of it is the situation. You're in a lot of it. Is the coaching. you have. And they're they're not all in their in their in but they're not all in and that's what this confirms and when you look at what this season is going to be. I think in the back of his mind even though he's a competitor. He's got to be thinking that he's got to be thinking. I'm fighting for my job. I also understand that in professional athletics. You fighting for your job every day. You don't way. And i'm saying with the way the. Nfl has gone with fred with swapping quarterbacks and doing this stuff that they've done you remember. Jared allen got run out of arizona right after one year one year freddie was a top he was. What was the dozen. Josh rosen. i'm sorry was a was a was a top ten pick right. Wasn't he ten or eleven or something like that. Tam win amount of arizona as soon as they could get kyle murray so this is the nfl and this is what we what we're seeing now. So i get it. Of course he got a contract. Extension would big money. But they're not. They don't have to do that so i don't like dissing him because the way the cba is set up. They don't have to do it yet. There comes a point. Look at what the cowboy did dak prescott they want. They went to the plans to of his first three years. Fred in one a division. They wouldn't sign him to a deal today but he wound up getting paid. Did he not sure did so. If i'm him. I look at what happened to dak prescott and say it still can happen. I still can get paid. All that have to do is play well. Yeah you're looking through glasses and suffering from glaucoma. Should baker mayfield feel any added pressure heading into the next season after. The browns chose not to offer him a contract extension. Put yourself in his shoes. would you. Eight seven seven nine six six three six nine eight seven seven thousand nine on fox. We'll continue the conversation with you next. It's the odd couple. Fred rogan in for chris on fox sports radio fox. Sports radio has the best sports. 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No contest the browns are saying baker. There's nobody better. You've got us to this point. We're gonna keep an eye on this now. We're going to keep an eye on you and if you perform well then we'll have another conversation. Rob looks at it differently. Zeke elliott by ball. What did they do. They went out fred before they had to and they gave him a new contract and did that. Work out for the cowboys. Worked out for zeal. Okay but not the cowboys and psalms. I think you have to take a look at it. It's business is not personal. They don't have to make a decision yet so you know what they did fred. They kicked the can down the road. All right do you think that he's going to be feeling more pressure this year. Because of this eight. Seven seven ninety nine on fox rob. Let's do it dimitri in arizona. Uh couple of fox sports radio which got people talk show in the. Because i can never ever do. I always get a busy signal. But i'm gonna tell you this right now. Please doing the right thing. There's no way in the world taping through marysville anywhere over twenty twenty five million dollars as even at the next year and what i would do is sit back and wait and see what you gonna happen in houston because the phone. I pay money. I'm gonna pay money to somebody like that or air rogers coming out with. They're not gonna. But when i get you don't point that'd be other options. There's players out there that they can pay if they're gonna pay thirty eight forty million dollars. Baker came to me and the people said he wants thirty five. Thirty eight million. I kill pack is oh find that someplace else. There's dmitriy what dmitri dmitry what of his people came to you and said you don't want let's do another three years at twenty two million a year. would you do it. i do that. Twenty two million deck scott right. I'm with you dimitri and we appreciate the call. Glad you got through. Thanks for the support. Preferred you saw what happened to the cowboys they waited. They waited and guess what look at. What dacca out. Because they waited. We have a wait a minute. Who was smart. They're the cowboys or dak. No no that would've the cowboys were not smart in daily. If they believed he was their franchise quarterback and eventually would give him that money. You have got him a lot. Cheaper two years ago yes and their giving a guy a contract that had major surgery. Now now i get it. It's a definitely a risk. Matthew in winnipeg young couple fox sports radio what you got matthew. Hey what's all rob bread rob. You got me. I'm twenty five years old. Never checked elect of baseball but last year. The bubble was the first sports that was on so i was like. Let me check out this baseball time. Figure it out. Follow the yankees great good series breaker and judge Had on the wall in the last game. That's up so so so you got in baseball. I love it. I love it. Up in winnipeg rigobert. Nice feel bad. Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on. Let me ask you a quick question. Because we were talking about baker mayfield and You know we heard our first caller. Here's my question if you had a chance to have baker mayfield play quarterback for the winnipeg blue bombers. Would you like that. of course. of course that'd be elite in our towns would be what you got on baker. I feel bad for baker nuts. There's no vote of confidence. You said that it's a business deal first of all. This is nothing like that that was showed signs of elite from the get-go baker. We did not not a thirteen and three in his first year. Stop it no ask. Do you remember to play the game. They played the eagles. The russian memory with with the season on with the division on the line he went to philadelphia right and the eagles had. Why weekly taped up with tape and glue and wits at nobody and deck threw touchdowns in that game and they lost. Okay okay the bottom line is i think that baker i agree with you fred that he should have got. They could've given him some middle of the pack deal. That team is loaded. Smart businesses is when it kept him at a low price with a loaded team. That's all i got back to you and your phone. Sounds good from winnipeg. Very good chris in dc. You're on the couple of fox sports radio. What's up chris. If you baker mayfield first of all you're not gonna feel too bad because every time you turn on the tv. He's on the commission but I-i business you gotta understand. There's i mean. I understand that as a fan and i'm not mad. Baker understand is a business. So like you're looking at this. Listen we building a team. We're spending money on defense. We got trying to see what we're gonna do odell beckham. I'm not gonna kill mad. I'm just on goddamn performed because you know if you keep informing they're gonna have to pay you and look and Eighteen million dollars. I mean i mean you you gotta keep performance so it's a business out of here. Lamar jackson pay baltimore gonna do the same thing. Pick up the fifth year option on him. How about this calamari. Not that great. You think they're gonna break your bank on him to wait. You should wait. You don't have to pay him if you don't have to get to here if you get to a fifth year and it's an option time now we can. We can extend you now or just pick up this option. I'm telling you they're saying we're not sure what we're gonna do. Yeah but if he plays well ours. I do for you go ahead. It's a it's a different position though. I'm falcons fan. We picked the fifth year option. Big beasley paid them. Sixteen million dollars. Fifteen sixteen million dollars Two or three sacks like you Like i wouldn't even like. He got paid all that money for three sacks right. I mean getting paid that much amount of money. And what if he just have a terrible season. Thirty and associates did it. I get it. And i think it is a big decision. What he did last year by beating the steelers was a big deal in the playoffs and they played well against kansas city. Let's beyond they had the ball with a chance to get a stop at midfield and they could have got the ball back and had a chance to win that game. Wasn't there big fumbling that game as well you know. They play pretty well. They're freesheet the call. Thanks for listening. We've got foul or fair. Jr gamble coming up next but first fox. Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup. In the nation catch all of our shows at fox sports radio dot com and within the iheartradio app search f. S are to listen live. Latin was big week in the big leagues. Four is it fair and now. Here's the odd couple with shadow. League dot com. Mlb insider jay gamble. That's right is fowler fair. The couple of fox training statement. We discuss all the biggest headlines going around in the world of baseball on the way to do. It is true baseball expert. Not that fraud rob parker. What's none other. I'm avenue it'll be bro. Dot com. Jr gambles rowdy. Rob talking fabulous. Phev rogin i mean. I must have made it. That's right you know you a. We're talking about a legend television legend. Fred rogan today on file affair so excited to be ready to go. And let's go. Rob fred no disrespect but a jr gamble blew off his wife's birthday dinner to do this. Saying oh my buddy castle legend right there. I'm just saying no. That is a legend in a mandate is going to be in big trouble. Thank you for. This is the last time you'll ever hear jay on the radio. In the morning here we go fowler fair question number one or you get the first crack at. It might trout off to yet another. Mvp caliber start to the season through seventeen games batting. Almost four hundred with six homers and twelve rb is jr is foul or fair to say that schratt will be able to lead the halos back to the playoffs for the first time since two thousand fourteen. That's that foul i meet. The angels playoff hopes have very little to do with mike trout. Considering you know what you're getting from him that's that's something you could depend on my trump all star play. What is always been the other pieces. This scene always hit. They have upped in pools and otani and the like fourth in the lee and hitting but twenty nine pitching. That's just not gonna cut it my trump to hit a hundred homerun sellers. But if they can't they won't beat out the mariners or the as period that's file. That is a foul ball. Get there. I know i know it comes down to a mike trout. Could you always look at the star star player on the team. But there's just a lot of things that go. I liked the roster. I like the team but baseball is very simple. If you pitch and your head. I mean pitch and you play defense. You've got a chance. Could you need to score that many runs and that's the issue. It's not really trout. It's the other stuff we saw last night. In the dodgers game a play made its second base for a double play. That's how you win games. You gotta play defense and you gotta get good pitching for it. Well i look at it. It's really foul. That is a and the reason is simple for four. The point you guys made. Hey you gotta have somebody that can pitch you know. The angels have always been the poor stepchild to the dodgers in southern california. They've had the best player. The angels had the best player in baseball and it was as if he was in witness protection. And the reason is they can't get over the hump and they can't get over the hump pinch. I mean it's really that simple. They need to build their farm system build their pitching staff and then they've got a potent offensive line but if the question is is this the year that's file because i need tougher questions. Apparently okay are we keeping moving though fowler fair. The aqaba fox sports radio. Jr gamble in the building with this question number. Two twenty nine thousand nine homerun derby champion. Pete alonso says. He's all in on defending his crown this summer. Now some have called alonzo. Twenty nineteen victory over vlad guerrero junior the greatest derby of all time but jr fowler fairs. That this twenty twenty one derby at coors field where the balls fly out of the ballpark will be even better. Path is style. I mean i would bear in two thousand nineteen. I as a matter of fact robert sitting next to me Rarely can claim duplicate a great moments between two superstars. Rookies like that. Unless of course you can't griffey junior and then every home run derby on everybody calls everything greatest ever nowadays as well. That ticks me off. I can't take it anymore. Nothing that's done this year. We're cain junior camden yards. Griffey took it off the warehouse. What about josh hamilton. Triumph fit redemption song overcoming drugs to hit twenty eight. Home runs and fellas and yankee stadium thirteen thirteenth swings. You know if you want match up get you match up the class battle In two thousand nineteen was wasn't alonzo. Guerrero it was guerrero jimmy jock peterson. Who when told the toll for forty thirty nine rounds in a swing all so i don't think two thousand eighteen because that'd be hard to beat but i think thousand twenty is on top any home with i think it's fair because of course field with the ball flies out namie a cy young award winners pitched in that ballpark. Nobody gets it was impossible. There's a chance for somebody to go absolutely bonkers on a homerun derby in that ballpark. That's why people don't even. It's hard for guys even take their number seriously and even when it comes time for hall of fame people go. Wow what do you expect. You play that courts field. I think there's a good chance that we see skyrockets like never before. But i'm gonna say it's fair. i like it. Because the balkan fly out of course field. And that's really the only thing you want. The home run derby and i have been to a homerun derby believe it or not. I was crazy. Yeah you just want to see the ball fly out of the park. There's no better park to see the ball fly out of course field granted. The balls aren't as juice this year. But you're still playing in the altitude in colorado and that being the case i say fair. I think it'll be better good. We've got some descending opinions on this one last one here foul fair. Jr gamble jr cleveland. Shame bieber's off to a hot start. This season he became the first pitcher ever to strike out at least ten in each of his first four starts his forty eight ks during that span. Ties nolan ryan for the most. All time started season and now on a sixteen game streak striking out at least eight batters dating back to last season. One game behind randy. Johnson's all time mars. There's some ledges on the list. Jr is if foul or fair to call bieber the best pitcher in baseball right now. I hate to be a party pooper today. How foul the that could back from eighteen and nineteen award winner guy. What's his name on. Jacob degrom. He's still in the game. By far people. Having an unbelievable season he might be taking over that spot. But right now it's still no more consistently dominant pitching the graham. You don't believe me. Mr hard-luck one in warrants with the vero point four five. Era is komo respect. That man love bieber. But it's still the grandbabies. Go degrom i'm gonna say foul is a foul ball but i'm gonna say trevor bowers the best pitcher in baseball right now. Yes that's no lie. I understand what the grandma's dumb but drummer guy. Let's see who won the cy. Young and in the national league last year was it to grab our trevor bauer. Oh yeah i'm asking you and you know what he's off to a great start with the dodgers. It is not. I think we all agree with that. But i'm gonna go with trevor. Bauer the best pitcher right now. All right and i'm going to change the question. And i'm just gonna go foul with what you said right when we talk about being a prisoner of the moment. Oh my god you know what. Let me tell you something. Shane bieber heading tales above trevor. Bauer he's in. La people love him. It's exciting but let's be honest. Shane bieber is doing. Some work did you. Did you ever work. Rob put on a different team. Shane bieber is lights out. Alright are you made the point about the graham. I can't argue that. But i can argue this that shane bieber is heads and tails above. Trevor bauer rob. Wow i if you wanna hear rob get school like this more often makes you check out the inside. The parker podcast were routinely schools topics just like this drops. Every thursday on the hurt podcast network. Also thanks for hanging out man you could. Jr and his new work at mlb. Bro dot com. He's the managing editor of the website. And does a great job thank you. Jr wife in her birthday dinner. Now that's why we're going to pick up the meal. 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Hopefully because he's had a very good year and if you look out west you have The joker denver. Who's had a very good year as well. Lebron was on a tour. He wanted to win the mvp but the problem was he got injured. And that's not going to happen. Lebron is simply not played. Enough games rob. Now a voice coming from the east and someone who's having a very good year in a year where the knicks are resurgent. Is julius randle. And julius randle is fascinating because i he's not going to win the mvp so not but the nickname the fourth spot and these played very well. Fred you gotta yet. And and it's good for the league when the knicks are competitive. And it's better for the league in. The knicks are good. It's always good for the league when the big market teams perform. It's always good. Didn't make the playoffs for those six years. That wasn't good right. Yeah and you have to wonder at that time if somebody from the nba office didn't lava call out here right and say genie. We pick this up. We gotta figure it out because it's not good for business. So the next of improved. Julius randle is a guy that if he was on a different team that was contending. Not kind of a pretending. Contender might really have a shot at it this year but to me rob the speaks to an issue with the nba when you have players that are drafted very young and they come into the league by all you're really doing is paying them for potential because they're not men they're boys. The nba is a man's league when a kid comes in here he's not fully developed mentally. He's not fully developed physically right right. He's not ready to compete at that level. So you're paying them for potential and that oftentimes leads to having to make a decision when it's time to really pay them. Julius randle for example was selected by the lakers came really. Couldn't even shoot with his right hand. But you could see over a period of time that julius randle was progressing he was getting better and all of a sudden. What you hoped would happen appeared to be happening so then it came down to the lakers head to make a decision. Are we gonna sign him. Are we gonna pay him or thank him. They thanked him okay. They thanked him. An off. went now you see the player. They hoped he would be looking at a guy like brandon. Ingram in new orleans lakers head to make a decision. Do we pay him or do we. Train them okay. We're saying we're gonna move him now they would kill to have him back and i think in the nba. When you have these young plate lonzo ball new orleans suddenly lonzo ball's a bit of a commodity but when he came out of ucla he was a disappointment he was. There's no delay no other way around that fred. He he was a second picking drive right. He was all hype. Well now you know what. He is. A valuable commodity. He is somebody that's going to be in demand in the off season. He was somebody that was inquired about it the trade deadline so i think a problem in the nba rob and it's just the structure and there's no way to get around it when you draft somebody you get somebody young. You're gambling you're paying them hoping they develop quickly so you can resign them and not have to make a decision because more often than not. If you're not a star right out of the blocks you'll be done with that team. That and the other thing too is i think T teams equipped move on to other somebody else to new flavor of the month. Fred the now willing to wait for guys to develop and often times and then there guys you know why they do that is because there a lotta guys who wanted to be embossed by who are bust. Who just aren't going to be that. So you're afraid if a guy as you said is an zion williamson outta outta the gate. You're like i'll you know this guy's gonna work out too. Many big time picks haven't worked out. So i think it's it's Mindset in the nba to move on. You starting to see that in the nfl with quarterbacks for it right now like never would move off of a quarterback especially if you drafted him in the first round right. You would never do that. You would have to go right. And now what happens is the gm's they get to restart the clock for it and that's why it's advantageous to them. You know what. I mean you get to restore. Oh no i didn't drafter more. We're starting with a new quarterback. You gotta give me time. It starts to clock again and in the nba. We've seen this mistake mate. Yeah the bottom line is this. What have you done for me lately. You know. I want you to develop and do it. I'll give you twenty games. But if you don't then we make a decision. It's tough on young guys and it's tough to forecast what they're going to be and julius randle. Maybe the best example of that all right two hours down the odd couple. It's fred rogan sitting in for chris. Broussard today Next hour please. 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