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04-18-19 McLellan Introduced w/ Nick Nickson & Dave Joseph

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04-18-19 McLellan Introduced w/ Nick Nickson & Dave Joseph

"Offer me it's a great opportunity to work with Todd again, I enjoyed our experiences and relied heavily on those this decision. So at this time I'd like to welcome the new LA king's head coach Todd McFarlane. You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the LA kings. We've got a lot of work to do. No that we need to dig in. We know that we're running a marathon. I like to use analogies for the people that have been around for running a marathon or were at mile one. That's where the plan starts marathons tough. We're gonna have a lot of hard work out of us. But it's something that we're all looking for. Now. Here's your host. Jesse cohen. When Rob Blake makes up his mind. He moves fast. Todd McLellan was introduced as the new head coach for your LA kings on Wednesday made the trip out to El Segundo for the press conference where Dave Joseph and Nixon were kind enough to sit down with me and share their thoughts on the new hire the playoffs and everything else going on. Never miss an episode by subscribing today subscription links and reason episodes can be found at LA kings dot com slash podcast. We are here immediately following the press conference the introduce new head coach Todd McLellan joining me now. Dave Joseph donate. Great. Jesse? Thank you and hall of Famer Nixon. How're you doing great? Jesse wonderful day. A great, Dave. Thank you for joining us. My pleasure. So you've seen your fair share these you've emceed your fair share of momentous occasions for the LA kings first impressions on the new head coach. I like the pick first and foremost didn't surprise me. I thought was going to be a front runner for the job. When it was announced the end of the season that there were looking for a new coach, and and a number of factors. I think come into play first and foremost is GM Rob Blake certainly as a great book on Todd McLellan having played for him in San Jose. And Todd has enough NHL experience where I think he's a good fit for what this team right now needs, and that's a coach that will command immediate respect from all the players, including the veteran players that have won Stanley Cups here in Los Angeles. I think he's going to hold everybody accountable. And that I think is going to be important. And I think rob realized that that type of individual was needed for the kings this time, and that's another box that you check off for Todd McLellan and what's nice. I just talked briefly with a with Ted Sobel on this. You know, a big bonus is that he's so familiar with the division. Having coached San Jose for seven years Edmonton up until early last season for four years. So he's got a pretty good book when the kings play the Oilers in the sharks and the other teams and on the best way to approach it. So yeah, I think it was it was a pick that I was expecting towards the end of the season. His name was out there. Right. When it became evident that they were looking for a new coach wants the season ended. And I I don't know if you could have done a better had a better pick than than Todd for what this team needs right now. And where the team is at right now and foods available. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Dave. Yeah. I I agree with Nick, I like it a lot. And I think one of the things Nick pointed out was was Rob's familiarity with with Todd McLellan and one of the things he said in the press conference, which I really liked was I've seen Todd in the ups and I've seen Todd in the downs. And you can't really gauge someone spending three hours within to see what they're going to be like in those situations. I think that's peaks volumes for the type of coach. He was looking for. He knows he's his character. He knows what type of coachie is. But I think that's beaks volumes. You look at everyone who is out there. And I think he's probably the best choice that there was. And I'm anxious to see what he does here with the he also talked about the mix of veterans and guys with experience and the younger players on the team. And I'm anxious to see how he brings all those guys together and makes his team take that step back to where they should be and just to follow up. I think accountability is going to be huge team. I think it's going to be maybe it's too harsh to say a no nonsense approach. But I think it's that type of approach that's needed because you can't continually put players out there in situations where you need goals when they're not producing and having produced all year. And I think I think everybody will buy into that. Because the bottom line is you've got to get better you've got to win. So that means. Tting a thirty three thirty four year old forward who has a career of playing in certain situations. And he's not producing you don't put them out there. And I think the players would buy into that. And I think most players would probably be honest, if we were to ask them, that's what the team that's one of the things that team needs to start getting back to where we hope the team can get Dave. And I are not not in fats in fatty. Yes. Conversation. To that point. Dave has plenty of experiencing listening to me savings that could get me in trouble. The Nick this might be new for you. But I was looking at at the rumor of what the deal is worth five years and its alleged to be in the neighborhood of twenty five million dollars to that point next year. He will be the fifth or sixth highest paid member of on ice or coaching staff, and he's got a five year deal. The only players with with contracts that lasts that long or exceeded. Our doughty and COPA. Tar and the Seattle expansions coming up in two years. He's got the clout. He's got this doesn't exactly players he's layers. No. He's not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere to me. That's what stood out the most. Yeah. Is that for the and they referenced it in the in the press conference, they said rough waters tough times or whatever. Now, I don't think it necessarily has to be as tough as all that. But the expectation is he's. The guy it's not necessarily gonna go great next year get on board or or y'all be consequence. Yeah. And you mentioned the reported term and dollar value. And boy these coaches now they can thank Mike that Kat. Yeah. Can't they because coaches for years were underpaid? I mean, some of them barely made the player minimum, and they were head coaches and NHL team. So now, it's kind of. Leveling out where coaches are getting what they deserve to be paid. I mean, we've all seen what where the salaries have gone in all sports. But in particular, you go back fifteen years ago that lockout year of what five where we didn't have a season. And I know Gary Bettman at the time was was trying to sell a cap of what was it like thirty six million? And now, we're we're we're up in the eighties low eighties probably for this year. And it's nice to see the coaches getting rewarded Joel Quenneville in Chicago, a nice deal for winning cups. So so, yeah, I thought I thought that was where you were going with your question. What do you think about the term in the dollar amount? But the fact that everybody knows he is the guy. And if you stumble out of the gate next year, they're not going to make a change. It's on you guys. You gotta turn it around. And do what I tell you or we'll get people in here that will help us turn it around David asked right before I hit the record. Button. If I had any of my analogies preloaded here, we go Nick, I don't it wasn't preloaded. But one came perfect. I love your now for starters. There's no salary cap on front office expenses. So it's nice to see the team take advantage of that. But there's a scene in moneyball where Brad Pitt goes down. And I forget the player or the actor who's taking batting practice. But he's he had come from the Yankees. And Brad Pitt system. You know, we need you to buy and we need you to get on board. You know, stop acting like you're special player says you're paying me whatever it is seven million dollars a year. So yeah, I guess I am special and Brad Pitt's is not we're not paying you seven million Yankees. You're paying off your salary the coach now making more than a lot of those players. I think is that is this team's version of that conversation. Right. Okay. Copa. Dr dowdy aren't going anywhere. We get it. Doughty's Norris winter Olympian in future hall of Famer all the accolades, we've heaped on it. But every other guy on this roster. You're not as necessarily specialist the coach right coach may more than you is contracts longer than yours, and there's no more substitute teacher. Right. Right. I mean, that's the way we kind of talked about that last year. How do you act when a substitute teacher over your classroom while you kind of screw around, and there's no consequences because lot names. He's right. He's only going to be there for a day or two or she's only going to now there's a permanent teacher in place, and he's not going, and you know. To the players. Good side. We all know we followed hockey for a number of years. These athletes are great to deal with their their humble, they have great backgrounds. They're grounded, and I don't think that comes into play. That's not gonna come into play with with hockey players coaches salaries, and I would even go as far as say, I don't think any other players jealous of any other player in what he makes her doesn't make. I just think because of the upbringing of all these athletes in an are great sport that it's just something that doesn't come into play. And I'll be honest with you. It does come into play in the other sports. We watch the other major sports basketball football in hind and. These baseball. Dear. So McClellan was asked why here while any he mentioned the plan the organization and the autonomy one. That's about to me was the autonomy to execute. The plan. See have to imagine he'll have a lot of say on roster construction. However takes place over the next three months. I, you know, I'm. I'm less bullish on how many guys they'll actually move out. But you have to assume he'll have a major role in promoting some of the younger players pigging lineup. When the Seattle expansion does alternately come around. We hope it's not that difficult decision. But you never now. We'll he's had such great experience coaching Connor mcdavid the dry side. But there is that experience we have a kid who comes in the league at eighteen years old. And you say what do you do with them? How do you handle them? Now, we have how many younger guys are on this team. We've got a good core of young players that he can kind of teach for lack of a better word and maybe teach to play the right way. And maybe get those veterans the buy in as well he had a mix of that in Edmonton. But mostly with the younger crew. And I think that's good that he's got that experience with those players in especially a player of Connor mcdavid talent that he can kind of transfer that knowledge over to this team and this organization. Yeah. No question. And the relationship between Todd and rob like the GM. Now, you talk about kind of don't really say it free reign. But. I think rob understands where Todd is going to go with this. And he's on board with it. It would probably be what rob would do if he was the head coach of the team. So I don't think that's going to be such an issue moving forward. But again, and you brought it up Jesse the the contract that Todd reportedly has the players are going to know again that that okay? He's here is going to be here maybe longer than half the room is going to be. So we better start doing it this way or we're not going to be part of it. We talked a lot all season long about. Whether or not the front office has a plan how how transparent they are with the plan. And we said, you know, it's it's easy to accept. I don't even want to say losing. But it's easy to accept a team that is less successful than others. If you understand that it's a building process, right? We were talking amongst ourselves afterwards. Comparing our which years, you know, what is how bad is. It is worse than the mid nineties. Is it worse than, you know, injury plagued seasons in the early two thousands and the answer that a lot of the fans I've heard from always come back to is. This was worse because it was so unexpected. And in the years when you add copay Tarn Brown dowdy coming up and Jack Johnson Cam, Larry. And all this gives you knew that the future was going to be better than the president. And you know, and and with this season, you go man all the best players are getting older. And is this what we're looking at. But now to your point with McClellan, and rob knowing each other and having experienced with each other whether or not the plan is made transparent, whether or not we know every facet of it. And what it's gonna look like or you know, Lombardi was very open with five year plan. And here's all my boxes, and spreadsheets and everything if we don't even have we don't get that kind of. Inside. Look, I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that at least the coach in the general manager and presumably, you know, upper upper management who okayed all this at least I feel confident that they know each other. They have chemistry with each other. They like one another this, obviously didn't come together over two three days. And so just the fact that they referenced the plan there is a plan that makes me feel a lot more comfortable even of next year doesn't go any better than this year. Yeah. And the point I would make their Jesse is that I think when rob took over I knew what the plan was going to be. Well, they didn't tell me. He's not going to trade away the future. Sure he's accumulated draft picks and you look at the upcoming draft in June. What seven picks in the first four rounds? That's going to translate into seven picks in the top what one hundred fifteen one hundred twenty players, and that's another topic. We can get to if you want to scouting. I mean, it's on the scouts now to find some some some talents and good players. You're gonna get a great player with the first overall number five overall. But beyond that, you've got to do your homework and get it. Right. Most of the time, you hope, but you know, the complaint over the years, and I've been around long enough. You guys are a little bit younger than me just a little, but when I came here in the early eighties. You know, you look back at the kings drafting record. And for the first ten years they traded away their first round picks. And then when I did get a first round pick the guy didn't wanna come Tim young who wanted to play for the Minnesota North stars and another deal after the draft. So and Dave Taylor when he started out as a player in what seventy seven he's he he saw this. He saw this as a pattern and so two to his credit when he took over his GM. He's doing basically what rob is following up on dean Lombardi did in between holding on to the draft choices. I think if you look back the eleven twelve years the day was GM king sat thirteen or fourteen first round picks. Now, some of those who use to get pretty good players like Ziggy Palffy and Bryan Smolinski in the same deal, which was twenty years ago. Heck nineteen ninety nine. I I know that because it was the first year of Staples. So so Dave started the process of if you're going to get great players the best way to do. It is through the draft. Then dean came in and was holding onto the picks you acquired an extra pick in his first year and the kings got better, and they want some cops. And then he used the assets to try and keep the team strong getting Carter at the deadline in twenty twelve getting Gabric the deadline at twenty fourteen and they both led to Stanley Cup championships. So there you can understand trading away. Some some of your future to make your strong team even stronger to win a Cup in it in a work twice for for dean. And you can't argue with that. And then rob comes in. And he sees you know, some guy's getting a little bit older. And okay, we'll honor we get better players while you can't trade for them. You can't really sign them as free agents because you have all this money cap issues, and it's not just the kings. All the teams go through this and are going through it. So hold onto the picks. And and. To me when rob took over two years ago that was his message. So I had no problem. We've gotta get younger and faster and we've got a draft. Well, and they have some good young players coming up. So. Yeah. I am not to refute. What you were you were talking about. But I to me from where I sit and doing the games the last couple of years, I think the plan has been clear to me that this is the way they have to go. And now the issue is with eight players that are in their thirties right now on the roster. They've got to figure out a way to to chop that down before training camp because you can't go into next season. I think with that many old players, and I don't know how many you can trade out. How many are eligible for buyouts? They're all eligible buyouts. But you know, is it going to be reasonable? So. Yeah. That's my take on it. And I think. You know, that that rob has realized that you know, the best way to. The quickest way to fix it is to draft. Well, and and get some good talent. I this is completely probably rock. But it feels to me like now that the world of professional sports is as lucrative as it is in a if you are third line guy, you could be making two or three million dollars a year whereas twenty years ago while thirty years ago, Wayne Gretzky was barely making three million dollars a year. It seems to me like your opportunity to find quality players deeper rounds of the draft has to be way higher just because these kids right from the young age, they have individual, you know, skills coaches, and their parents are on board and their whole lives are geared towards being a professional athlete. Whereas, you know, we had Kyle Calder on one time. And he said he was literally it was the doc Hollywood scout was driving through his town. Car broke down while he's waiting for it to get fixed. He went and washed a bunch of kids playing Sheni. And boom one of them was called like that was his path to the to the. NHL? I mean, I feel like third rounders fourth rounders even fifth sixth seventh. You know? It's not that shocking. If you get a quality pick out of it. Yeah. And now you don't have to worry about size. Right. Right. Well, th there's there's a lot of room for guys that are five nine hundred seventy pounds that can score. Brayden point in Tampa Bay, Johnny good Gujral Brad Marchand. There's so many of your look at the top twenty five scores this year. Most of them are under twenty five and I would say probably half of them aren't big players, right? Nikita kucherov is not a huge guy. And that's where I think Tampa Bay when we played them this year they had like three or four their top five scores were either sinus free agents, not drafted at all. I don't know. It's Tyler Johnson in that category or third fourth round picks like Brayden point. So that that's where I go back to its on the scouts. You've got to find these guys they're out there. They're guys was skill that now can succeed in the NHL because of the rule changes her John Davidson say the same thing on Sirius XM, and he was saying how they're they're kind of home grown in their talent in Columbus. And how they've drafted. Well, and the players who are playing this Columbus team that just upset. Tampa Bay in the playoffs were players who had come up through their H L system, and Cleveland, and maybe had some playoff experience. There got beat the last couple of seasons in the playoffs by Pittsburgh, Washington, whoever. And and that's how they're built is basically a homegrown. It's taken them several years to get there to get to that point. It's not something that happens overnight. You can't do it in one year or two years. But look where they've come. Now. Look how far they've come you sprinkle in a couple of free agents. But most of that talent is homegrown you draft the talent. And look where they're at. Now. They just pulled off one of the biggest upsets NHL history. Did not sports didn't Cleveland beat Antero and the conference fine us. Yeah. Two or three years ago? Yeah. Yeah. Johnson non drafted. Yeah. Okay. I thought so. Yeah. I mean, again, this is where you have to like, I don't know. I guess from what rob is told me and some of the other scouts. I've talked to throughout the course of this past season. You know, the top what maybe six the top ten picks. We're gonna wind up in the NHL at age eighteen next year, certainly the top three maybe the top five and then maybe a couple after that. But, you know, your chances are better if you have seven of the top one hundred ten picks or whatever it is as opposed to having three. So and again, you don't have to. Oh, we've got he's got to be six two and he's got a skate while you don't need to be six to anymore. So to be clear, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. No. And that's another point. I'd like to make. Here. The game is changing younger faster quicker to me the bottom line is when the kings go for their first round pick. You're gonna get the best player available. Right. Whether he's six four or five eight, and if there's a guy out there that's going to turn onto beyond J copay tar, you take him even though he's not fast and quick, right? He's a puck possession guy that you know plays. Well, defensively bulb in will average appoint came. I mean, go for the best player if the kings had better players they'd be better team, whether they faster quicker, not and that I'm going off in all different directions. Here. I'm just I'm loving every second. I'm just kind of going back to all the questions we got during the course of the season. We're we're the kings at teen that tried to transition into playing the new way of the NHL with a roster that was not compatible to do that. And I think that came into play. And maybe they're realized. Too late and they were trying to go back to where where they were puck possession, t- bigger and our to play against and that you getting back to my original thought here before I digressed and eighteen different directions. That's where I think just get good players. Good players know how to play the game. I don't care if they're fast and quick or big and strong. If a guy can score thirty five goals and can't skate put them on your Oster thirty five goals as thirty five goal. I wanna hug you. And didn't you just say Jesse didn't you just say didn't you tweet out something to the effect? And I don't have the wording exactly right by Columbus. Played a heavy game. Yeah. And like a puck possession game to be Tampa. And people say, well, that's dead. You can't play that style and win anymore. They just swept the best team this year in the NHL. If Darryl Sutter heard you talking about that day, he would kiss you. I'm going to say where but he would kiss you take let me ask you. But it's true. It's an we all know we've all seen enough NHL playoff series. The first round has always the most physical. It's all right. Do you have what it takes to survive? Not only past the first round. But to go another six weeks, if you win the first round, so yeah, I mean the emphasis I mean, look at the Vegas San Jose series right now that that's. More old time hockey than. Than anything you see during the regular season. The game changes the game changes in the playoffs. And and to me, that's why if you have enough good players that are very types. You're better off you're better off. Well, I mean, you just go up and down the roster of both winning teams for the king's plenty of guys on both rosters that weren't slow. Whether it's Brad Richardson, Gabric Williams Jordan Nolan, right? The guys that are not breaking point. But that are not slow. Let's not go around the playoffs. Really quickly is somebody going to die in Boston? Toronto. Boy, I hope not. I don't want that to be on. You just that brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. That's you know, that's old time. You know? Great original six teams, a rivalry that both cities definitely are into it. But but from what I've seen in the Vegas San Jose series. It's it's similar right? And that goes back to the first round of the playoffs. It's it's like a game of attrition who's going to who's going to blink lasts. So. Yeah. I, you know. Toronto is good young. Are they ready yet? This is great experience for them. Whether they win this series or not there are still going to be a team that's going to get better. And better in the next three or four years, and I expect them to go far and one of these playoff years in the near future. So in Boston, they just they just plan in in your face style. Let's Boston Bruins hockey always has been I wonder where they get their KYW's from. It seems like Boston they have their set core guys. And then they just pick guys up here. And there it's almost like the New England Patriots. Well, here's Tom Brady. You've got a lot of these great college programs in New England, right? Yeah. Right. Not just in the Boston area the fourteenth their B B C New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont. And and they they can scout them all the time. All the time. They're in there. They can drive to a game every night. Even if you're the GM I mean, rob, obviously can see his AHL team. But he can't see junior players. Play or college post back east or goes up to Canada. So they've always done a good job at getting a guys that have the not necessarily natives of Boston or Massachusetts. But have played collegiately that they've seen him play twenty times a year. So they know exactly what they're getting a lot of scouts. A lot of amateur scouts might not see a player play more than ten fifteen times in a year because they have to they have to cover everybody. Right. They have to cover all the teams, but to hone in and be able to see play like twenty five of their thirty games and be used the same thing. You got a pretty good book on some some young talent. And obviously these are programs that have produced NHL players on a regular base Yasser. I feel like Vegas. Should have been this huge story all season long based off of last year. They made a couple of offseason moves they became as I refer to them. Just another dumb team not to insult them or any other team. But just say like the the bloom was off the rose if l like a regular season, they made some free agent acquisitions they had established themselves. And I think we all sort of forgot about them. And now they score in the first five minutes against San Jose. What four times in the series? I mean like and in the last day looked terrifying. Again, Dave you asked it before. But I'll ask you who beats them. I that's a great question can Washington beat him again. Maybe really you look at that team that Vegas teams is blows my mind and starts with the goaltender who's good. Every night seemingly after being pronounced dead by everybody who write anything. Right. And then they've got four lines of this death thing in your mind. He does I'm a team to this. I've got a dark dark heart dark dark side four on Vegas that they can roll out any line at any time seemingly and then you add to last year's rush through couple of guys department. Then you had Mark stone big contract. You had max patch ready to big contract. You had like big pieces, but not huge superstars Stassen all staff, another one, right? And it's still have. And they still have reportedly the third best prospect. That's not in the NHL and Cody glass and don't he'll draft picks the up. Yeah. So it just seems like every night they go out there. And it's like. Well here line four lines. And the guy who couldn't even keep a job in in Florida gets fired and Florida takes over and all of a sudden he's a superstar coat and it works. It works every single night for that team. Well, couple of things there and one is if Seattle is going to have the same ground rules to build a team that Vegas had good luck trying to repeat it. This is not going to happen. I mean, it's just, you know, most of it was hard work and savvy dealing by George McPhee. But you look at what they were able to acquire even going back to the expansion draft all of their players have any chil- experience. You talk about their fourth line, which is a grind rock them sock them. I mean carry a was in buffalo for a couple of years Reeves had been in the league for a few years. And now they're defense. Brayden McNabb of course, they they drafted from the king's couple hundred games NHL all their defensemen. Starting last year had at least two hundred games in the NHL flurry. You mentioned for the goaltender veteran is one three cups. So it's a team that knows how to play in the NHL and we've never seen that from an expansion team in the NHL before. And it's going to be interesting to see how Seattle handles it. I'm of the understanding they'll have the same ground rules to build a team that Vegas did. But it's such an advantage in. It's great. You know, foresight on the part of George McPhee and his staff. Okay. Let's let's get guys that can play that have been in the league they're not stars. But if you get six number four defensemen now all of a sudden every Perry you put out there is going to be effective and and they're starting to develop the younger players. They made some great deals getting younger players like tuck and. Hollow from from Minnesota. And like I said really we haven't seen any of their draft picks from the last two three drafts they had three drafts or too. But we haven't really seen any of them step in. They can be patient with them because they've had the success. But that's going to be interesting. It's gonna make them even stronger or keep them afloat longer. Yeah. I think Seattle will be competitive. And I think they'll have the same long term prospects that they is does what they won't get is teams like Minnesota, Florida and Columbus handing them extra players. Yeah. In order to duck yet, contracts and stuff started. No, they'll they'll learn. They'll learn from other teams mistake and other teams will learn from their mistakes, they made with Vegas we talked about this earlier would Minnesota have been better off keeping how LA and tuck in exposing an older player. I'm not gonna say Parisi or or Ryan Suter, but a player of that caliber to you know, they thought they were gonna win and be competitive at that time two years ago turned out it wasn't right? But now that they have realized their misgivings and their misfortunes and their mishandling of the deals. Maybe they go about it differently and give Seattle older players with bigger contracts. So that can free up them keeping younger players and paying other paying a free agent to come in break McNabb another point from the king's perspective. Right. I mean, would you if you could do it again, would you keep and McNabb or would you expose it? I mean there are other players on the roster. At that time that could have been exposed or a, you know, hindsight is winning right? Yeah. Two years ago. The kings thought they were still a Cup contender right? There were only three years removed from twenty fourteen. So it's tough. It's it's it's not a a a situation that has the right formula. There's some luck involved in it. But you gotta learn from mistakes, and that's to that. And that's why I say if your teams that dealt with Vegas for certain situations. They have to learn okay. We can't do that with Seattle. We've got to go this route because it didn't work. We should've kept these guys should have given them that, you know. So. Yeah it. Hopefully, they learn if there's one question that I will always want the answer to that. I've just accepted that I'm never going to get the answer to the one hockey mystery. That'll just Pont me for the rest of my life. It's why did they protect their forward in? That is not a condemnation of forward at all. I think he's a fine defender and find player, but I will never understand that particular decision based on things I had heard from various people over the years leading up to that draft. I, but like I said I've accepted that I'll never never accepted, Nick. Did you wanna read you said you really good? I've got traffic. What do you got like? Got half an hour so far. All right. How much longer do you wanna go but three or four hours? But we can wrap or or we gonna go either way. Dave, whatever you guys want. I'm happy with. Okay. Great. All right. Good awesome. Good stuff. You're not going to close it out. I am. I was about to play the game player the player of the of the press conference. Oh, I would say can I play. Yeah. I'm gonna okay. I well. I think I have all goes, I Nick, I think it was the player of the press conference. He did a great job host. I was going to be mindful. Oh, well, that's happened. Make it an anonymous. Yes. What was Dave? What was the play of the press conference three play of the press conference? I think was I always like the jersey holding at the during when they posed for the pictures with the jersey, I think, that's that's a classic moment. I think it's those my plate of the snake to have a play of the press covers play of the press com, usually it's play the game. Yeah. This is off today. You're going off the wall here with typical. I think it was when Rob Blake smiled at Todd McLellan. When Todd said we're gonna win the Cup next year. I'm gonna go ahead. I don't remember who asked the question, but it was like there had been two real template type questions asked. And there was a pause where it didn't look like anyone else was going to ask anything. And I thought oh, man. This is going to be pretty embarrassing willing to questions for the introductory restaurant restaurants. They had referenced the plan. But nobody had asked about it in the back of my mind, I was screaming one, and what is the plant one of you Yahoos asking about the plan and finally somebody I know I could've done it myself. But there's some talk about me getting a chance to talk to coach McCollum myself. So I didn't wanna burn all my questions in front of everybody. But finally somebody asked about the plan so kudos whoever that was that for me that was the play of the press conference and player of the press Prescott. Okay. Am honored. We need to get your vote now. Boy, my vote for yourself. I can't do that. We won't tell how about Darrell Evans for dressing conservative. That never happens. That's great. It's plain black suit threat. A lot of Jesse. Maybe a funeral to go with. I mean just could be either that or he's going horseback. Or snowmobiling I've seen so we will we'll have another episode where we break down the the exit interviews. I didn't wanna do it today. I wanted to focus on the coach and I've been on the playoffs, but we will be getting into that. There were a lot of quotes that I still think need to be addressed coach McCollum. Even referenced reverence Tyler toffoli several times. Yeah. Enough times you knew that that quote about their practice habits clearly made an impression on somebody. Drew doubt. He's named got referenced a few times. So we'll talk about that. But for now, Nick Nixon, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Dave joseph. Thank you for joining welcome coach Todd McLellan. That's right. So for Nick Nixon, Dave Joseph. I'm just the bit my tongue for Nick Nixon. David Jessica, thanks for joining us. King sandal talking.

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State of the Franchise - Luc Robitaille & Rob Blake

All The Kings Men

20:03 min | 1 year ago

State of the Franchise - Luc Robitaille & Rob Blake

"Impounds everyone doing tonight. I love the energy now. You guys are used to seeing me on live television. We are not live here so I've got a very important written question for you. If you're excited for hockey season Gimme a hell yeah. That's exactly what I love to hear well. We're so glad that you guys are all here. I see a lot of familiar faces out here today so exclusive. This isn't a very exclusive event for you season-ticket members. We have a very special astle curated presentation that is going to be put on by your. La Kings Hockey OPS staff and if you guys are excited and delighted to be here and entertain entertained Gimme another hell yeah I love it. Only here never live TV guys without further ado. I'm going to introduce you to someone whom you all all know very well. He's the La Kings Alternate Governor your president a hockey hall of Famer the One and only lose <music>. Thank you thank you and congratulations congratulations congratulations. Hello Hello. Everyone just want to say welcome. It was very long. <hes> glad to be back and you know we're looking forward to start working next week or we've been working all summer but <hes> just seen our guys skating state of our franchise is this is an important time for us. <hes> we always talk that. We used to say kind of have in say as much but we're all kings. We're one team will all together and we think it's important that you guys understand. You know where we're going. WHAT'S OUR VISION. What's our plan. You know you got a few letters from us. Last year where we talked about the plan tonight you know we thought it would be important that you would hear from Robin West Division of the plan where he wants to go. Oh and then that would todd who will take that vision that plan and then make sure like we we go out there and win some hockey games. You know the the biggest first thing that we always talked about one. We're talking about how we're going to build this team. And what are we going to do and so forth is very important for us as we always use the where we got to contend and we want to be a contender and that's the one thing you're going to hear tonight. Guys are talking about and so forth and it's one thing that we always talk internally now to contend. It takes a process. There's a process to it. You need to build and so forth so you're going to hear from Nelson Emerson tonight. He's going to talk about the draft in you know the process of drafting how we've gone through a Jeff Solomon's going to put the data behind. It and you know how we've you know now. We can't share everything you go. We'll be able to share a little bit what you guys how we go about it. Then why would draft an easing example like this year in the draft you know sometimes people will say oh. How'd you guys is doing the draft and we'll see in three years but I could tell you for us. We were happy about the draft this year because we got the players we wanted. You know when we talk about contending. We've got the guys that exactly we wanted and so we're excited about that. Glen Murray will come in after Nelson Mercer talked about how we're gonNA develop these players. These guys have been developing players for ten years now. They've done a really good job over the years for pure at the time. We weren't able to drop just because you know we were trying to win championship but we want some championship and that's just the way it is. That's the way it is in sport then so be interesting when you see when you guys hear from Glenn Nelson and solid see how this works in an obviously todd's going to wrap it all up because at the end of day he's the one that's going to run the boat now. There's one thing you can never forget about organization for forty plus years. Disorganization was just trying to make make the playoffs was trying to do good or just trying to the message wasn't clear. We have very high expectations. We expect the best this out of our entire staff. We expect the best we expect our France would be that allowed us when we talk about Staples Center and we expect the best out of everyone so don't kid yourself. We're looking at those kids that were there. Come in whether we're looking at our guys are coming back this year. We expect them to give everything they have and that's the only way we're going to have success. <hes> I am excited about this year. A was even though last year was a disappointing year. WACHNER LUFF and Walker and Roy and the Peterson these guys come in with Anderson Dolan and playing hard to play for the kings and they want to succeed. They want to help us get to that next level. You'll get to see more this year. It's going to be a lot of fun but I don't WanNa share too much because the guys are coming <hes> before I introduce rob. I don't know if you guys happen to drive by Burbank thank but we refurbished a whole pickwick arena this year. It's really beautiful. It's going to be around for many more years. Not that was the cue want to keep it open and we think it's going to help develop. The Games and skaters and little girls can skate girls to play hockey and boys can play hockey and we're really excited about so if you it happened to drive. I'd say it's really cool. You've done a really good job. The other thing is arterial. Rain will host the All Star game this year on January twenty seven so it'd be a lot of fun to see and that's it so I'll be sitting here listening to and we'll take some question after so introduce you guys hall of fame. You Rob Blake cards here the guys welcome. Thanks for coming on a holiday weekend on Friday. That's good commitment right now. We appreciate it looks. We're going to walk through some things. We want to be as transparent as possible. Let you understand what are what the vision is and how we're we're going to create this team and and so you know. I think the best way is to get right into it and we're going to have a little slide presentation. We'll talk through some <hes> some of the episodes and some of the things thanks here for tonight so obviously the job my job here is to build a contender and whether that be in the prisoner in the future and every decision must must be made with that vision in mind and you know we. We've been focused on this past three years <hes> we we knew what we had and the direction we wanted to go. We wanted to protect our picks. Protect our prospects but we want allow this team every every chance to remain competitive ahead shown us over the years. They Donald back from all three deficits. They won Stanley Cups. We want to remain that but we're also very focused on protecting our picks protecting our prospects when we're not competitive spirit that competitive level drop last year and the drop to unaccessible unacceptable level. We knew we had to speed up the process and that's why we're in here in front of you tonight and a lot of you. Kinda understood some of the moves last year but at the end of the day we need to fully embrace building a contender for the future and we need your help doing that and we all got to be on the same page but it's time to do that and that's what we want to unveil tonight. We want to lead you down the path a little bit and show you some of the things we have planned. We understand that the issues they're big. They're challenging and and we can't do it alone. There's not one departments not development development. It's not scouting. It's not coaching has to all work together. We integrate all our departments to to allow this vision to come through. We we want to build a contending team around the corner or cornerstone pieces that we have in place and these guys have a history of winning the Copa Tars the doughty's the browns sounds of they've won before they took the team. They built it up. They won the championship now. It's their time to give that leadership back provide that for the for the younger players in the I Andersen Dolan's into Wagner's and the Lawson and so on that are coming through the organization so so we expect them to lead this group you know a team. The definition is a stable table abounded group of individuals. We weren't stable last year. It was it was up and down. Players were in and out so a main focus. This season is is to be stable and to be abounded group of individuals and Independent on achieving shared goal or outcome and this is an important thing independent and trying to get better every day you take your own play on the ice in practice and you get better every day and that will lead to the shared goal and the probably the best example. I can give you that right now. Kyle Clifford he did everything last year. Yeah you should crowding showed up every day to get better and if you look at his season than he was <hes> he challenged young guys challenge the older guys but he wanted to be better because he knew the the outcome the future. Oh come so we expect that of him again and we. We need more guys doing exactly what he was doing. You know there's an aspect of team that that we call teaming and that's coming together as a team to achieve this goal and and that's what I talk about all these departments and you hear from some of them tonight the scouting department development. The coaching the analytic department that we all have to be together in this now. We're we're a much more integrated group. That includes not only players but the scout the development analytics coaches trainers the player health and wellness. I saw all this has to be on the same page for this to work and that's why we're all here publicly displaying but internally for the last two or three months this is what we're we're building the vision is to build a contender and and to do the same language from from the staff to the coaches to the players players <hes> from the NHL team to the American League team to the players who are recently drafted. You know we have to have the same vision. We have to be universal and transparent throat. This is what what we're doing. We're building a team for to contend in the future. We have done the same timeframe very disciplined in in time in patients needed to execute this. There's going to be ups. UPS and downs are already has and it is not going to be smooth and but we have to be very disciplined in an executing this we need to quickly identify the talents Skills Gilles in the hopes of of our teammates and a lot of this is a players. Oh when they get together they have four or five days before the first exhibition game. They've got the young guys the old well guys the veterans. The ones have been around. They gotTA prove to each other exactly what their talents are how they're going to share and how they're going to build the team. We have to build the future. We know we we can create but none of us can do alone so that's what we're here for. We want to share this with you guys now. How do we make sure this teaming in this whole process goes well. I think the one thing we really need to be humble and the challenge ahead. We need to ask questions. We need help. <hes> like I said not. One Department has the answers you have to share all that Knowledge College within this organization. We have to be curious about other what others bring analytics so. How is that going to help our draft. How's it going to help our development. How will help our coaching staff off the different philosophies different adopting different coaching styles. Is A game changes a strength training. How are these players going to get better. Everybody trains but wh what are the different techniques is. GonNa take above everybody else and and the health and the recovery of players and and a lot of that has a mental health ingredient included in we have to be have all these resources available for our players. We have to be willing to take the risks and learn quickly and listened to by all means. We're going to be mistakes aches and we're going to probably learn a lot more from those mistakes than our successes so this building process like. I said we started three years ago. We were focused on picks and prospects. I think if you look at the moves that were made we were sure we're GONNA protect protect those pixels prospects but again. We're going allow this team to be very competitive with the good we need to focus on those picks and prospects going forward and not we'll. Do you know there are moves that are made. They're designed to spill to fill specific traffic needs or positions there either directed to free up cap space or contract term or different numbers. <hes> some are based off agents skill. I think you'd be a look at ours. In the past year. A lot were to acquire the PECs prospects. The majority of our moves our last season. We're focused on building our own prospect pool and what we WANNA do is choir. These picks acquire the prospects. Whether it's this year or you're out doesn't preclude us from making other transactions since such a lateral move who for specific position but the idea was to retain our own prospect who for internal development and that's where your culture will come. You'll you'll teach your culture. You'll do your culture every day through your young players through the ones drafted through development camp into the H. L. in the NHL. You can put the big focus on competing character talk. That's a culture. We want to build around. We get these kids at a young age eighteen and we install that right from the start and also gives us the ability to strike when needed if you have to <hes> specifically feel a certain need or want on your team we can adjust the roster based office salary coproductions in contract structure but I think all this revolves around prospect pool that we needed to grow and we started accomplish out this year with this draft. Here's a look at the trades from from this season and and you can see like I said a lot. We're focused on the on the picks and prospects now. Listen Trade. Jake Muslims very difficult. He's a heck of a player real good player for us. WanNa cop and did a great job here but you can see that that that deal was focused around picks. We wanted to make sure we had a first round Jeff. Solomon will go into detail at the you know the ANALYTICA backgrounds into the draft pick we wanted to first round and two former second rounds and Carl strumming Schander Carl. You saw the last year you'll see a lot of him this year and Chandra's you'll be WPRO this year. Also <hes> Pearson haggling ended up being a third round pick and Jeff. We'll get into that that was Lucas Peric goaltender and was specifically designated for that draft in that position and so we know we had to have a different pick in the third round be able to do that. Oscar Lindberg that was picking a fourth round in this coming draft to allow more picks picks again and <hes> dominant Kuban was a young player that we had we weren't real sure we could sign not very confident we were going to be able to we ended up moving him prior the draft and then we took that pick and packaged it with Thomson to move up in the Fourth Round Pick Kim new assigning a young finished. He'll he'll play this year in the Finnish League the Pro League and then we expect him over here next year now just an example of the teaming and we're these departments coming together so we do the draft Friday night in the first round obviously with Turcott caught and Tobias take those two players we go home and going into the draft to hockey operations and the amateur staff had identified Sammy emme Fatima was a player. They wanted to make sure they left the draft with. We knew he'd be around the fifty fifty to fifty five range but we didn't have picked that day at fifty and fifty five so we go back. Friday we contact Jeff and our analytic staff and we go over the curve the value analysis each pick and we come up with a scenario that can get us into that second round and fortunately it worked out that day we got Sammy Fag at fifty. We weren't confident we can get them at our sixty four th pick so there was an idea of of not only hockey offs but the amateur staff and the analytic coming together to formulate a plan to make sure that we came out of this draft with Sammy so here's just a quick look at some of our draft picks uh I know we go over this every season or the start of every year and everything but kind of what I wanNA show you the two thousand seventeen draft and gave the number one one guy and I know there's a ton of questions about him and the update I can give you right now is. He is progressing in his Rehab. He is not cleared escaped. He will not be at Camp but he's farther along in in his rehab progression than he has been probably in the last twelve months so <hes> you know we're we're confident he sticks to this and and and continues to get that. Rehab and we hope to have him on the ice but but what I wanted to show you was those seventeen draft. Every one of those guys are signed up for coal holds Kohl's in college. We fully expect to sign him after his junior year in Penn state this year so so you can see that there are sign but they're just turning pro now. They're just coming into organization so <hes> last year's draft three guys were signed with Qatari and Saudi autograph. Both of them will be over. They played over in Sweden and Finland respectively last year in the prologues. They'll be coming over making her pro debut with the Kings this year a Keel Thomas Thomas. We've signed him but he's going to go back to junior. Niagara and the H. L. He's actually just been named captain there so we're expecting good things but we're starting to sign some of these players. This year's draft obviously obviously. Turcott can't be signed. He's headed to Wisconsin where real real good path of development. They're real familiar and I think all of you guys with the coach Wisconsin Tony Granato. We understand. He's going to do a terrific job. Allowing in the short time he's going to have Alex he's GonNa he's GonNa turn him into the best product possibly can before it comes up here so aw that's why he's not signed but obviously with Bjorn Foot and and Sammy Fong who I talked about earlier we've signed them but the the reason we wanted to sign the most likely head back to Sweden and play in a pro league there for a year but we want them over here for training camp so they're going to be here for rookie camp next week and you'll see him into training camp so it it just shows that it does take some time but that's seventeen classes finally signed and they're finally an organization. Here's a look at the new players we have scheduled to make pro debuts with the Kings. This year talked about gave you saw Anderson Dolan last year for a short stint but he's pro so none of these players. They can't go back to junior. They can't go back to college. They're they're. They're finally in our hands. Now Vlada Mike Anderson to Time College Championship you know welcome to the Pros Schander Z. Marcus Phillips the played in junior and Guava won a championship and Interior League and onto the Memorial Cup. They're gonNA make their pro debuts razzmatazz compare your first round or from a year ago hit along with Saudi Graham Blake Lozada's a college and I know you're up here last year and we explained about our department. <hes> particularly goes after college free agents agents. We identify what need our specific need. Our team has and we go after Blake Lozada's product of Value Sam in one game last year and we expect him much more around here. Nikolai precaution a name. That's probably been around here for a few years drafted. We finally got the opportunity to get them over. Here is playing the cage at the pro level and we fully expect him contribute to our team and the other three guys Mariel campy obviously Adrian's brother Ryan and Fritter are some pro. Ufa's have spent time in the NHL NHL and we'll fill depositions with us so it just shows you that the number of players thirteen new players and we fully expect that same amount next year so this is how we're going a build up prospect pool so like I said and I think you touched on it too. We kind of want to walk you through the process of of of not only identifying the talent Alan selecting the talent developing talent and then where does that talent go into our coaching staff so I'm going to bring up Nelson Emerson. He's director of player personnel and he's going to talk a little bit about the historic day data that backs up some of our scouting statistics over the past few years. Why are amateur staff why we're confident they will do a good job awesome. I'll bring Nelson up real quick.

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Below Deck Med: Memories of a Aesha

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50:12 min | Last month

Below Deck Med: Memories of a Aesha

"The. S O. Too. Much. Well. Hello. Welcome to watch what crap in the podcast for all that crap. We just love talking about on. You'll brawls and beyond it's me Rana carom and over there is the goods talented and some thin been mantle ker. Ben also does the real housewares of kitchen island over on Youtube and he's on another podcast called game brain hello been. Hello, Hello Baby. Doing great just Dive Into Small Below Deck Med today can't get spread. Also do podcast called Rose Pricks. It's about the bachelor. Tonight we're doing nick season Knick VR. Season or bile depending on he's got like a dice last name where it's Nick Vile but then people tryin SAIC. Viel. Because his name was filed. Fan Letter away from being of a doll like Vidal Sassoon. Association one one letter away and billions of dollars away. So everybody got check that out as usual. Hope you're taking care of each other over there outside and this crazy crazy damn world where your masks if need one pence merch. Dot Com. We've got tons of masks and a I think that's it. Today today is below Dick Mitterrand Ian does. So we hear to talk about Belichick Mediterranean. That's right and the episode opens up with one of our favorites walking right up to the boat and saying. Each. Converse. All of being. Hard. Cap. Circuit to see. Oh. and Alex is like ooh. What is that kind of annoys? Talk like a bullhorn sir. Asia. And Captain Sandy just doing. Motion like pulling a visible rope like getting here big hogs get on the S S hug okay. 'CAUSE you're about to get five of them in the next three hours. This is your captain I'm standing here swing back and forth like in the course of Oklahoma is a way to approach all right now get up here. Girl? Who can't say? ooh. Sunday again is soon noise who we have a good interior crew because I wanna get praised from captain theme t the An and the we see clips of on the boat from seasons past. Wow, you're doing a great job full to those Napkins Asia. Oh. Love, the We you've got the door to open with your move mini so. Look you really got your finger right up your bum didn't you? Thank you. All right. Let's meet everybody. This is our Michelin Star Chef Tom. This is the dimwitted laundry loser Jessica and that girl with crazy words in her hair, his bugs irate. Young. That she has like Tom goes in for a proper handshake and she goes in for a hug. Okay we're doing this. Nation. I don't know what's happening here. It's not like I'm busy trying to peel a potato. All let me guess you don't understand poached lobster hugger. Wild? Guess you want me to post something and then right afterwards don't you don't you trash So see meets about and then captain goes she's your chief stew she she's. Like lettuce she after meter two different ways. So Hannah has already taxed at Asia to say that she's not working on the boat anymore. Bush. Doesn't she hasn't really told issue what's going on so Asia's like very. Excited to find out what the hell is going on this boat so Activation out your service. Here on the top bunk and The captain's like, Oh, I can't see anything. Well, done Melania. Right you. You know what? WE'RE GONNA go to visa crossing. Looks Great. Yeah. What a seven thirty in the morning. Smooth sailing couldn't ask for a better time to go. All right. Hey. So Asia look look this bugsy again I'm GonNa keep showing you around or I guess actually it was bugsy showing around on Sandy we're showing issue around. So bugs destroying Asia around and bugsy leg I love the energy and I'm like between these two voices lying. Aces is still just impressed with every little thing. So this is noise. Like like your attitude. Doing. Beats. Do. Be last mode with my brother Cicirino. Three of US got high shrooms and started figures up each other's booms. And a says like do re of of worked with the Damon's before the no snow the rich people at all and it's like, wow, can't believe you've had them before that. krantz. They're just eight or guts. So Mad. The team is super don't earth and. The wife machine is so That was the flashback of Michelle Damn Bay slap at slap it. Yeah. I'm the one who's in charge I'm on his insurance. Does she puts her hand in that guy's face and then he pushes it away. She's like Oh my God becky. May. Roll, this Bah. While the guy who off yeah you go I really this. So, Molina's like hey rob. Are you? Okay little out of it. You know just want to remind you that when we wake up the first priority are per offenders at the first thing we do like. Yes. Kadoorie. Happy. Not going to be saw it feels like a trigger in a way when I was younger in my days just fucking being crazy I knew that if I were to go to Beatha I would never come back. I was in my head about it I was overthinking get just defenders defenders. Go to a corner and hug yourself for awhile. I mean come on now Z.. So Asia is eating with bugs and she's like sue been going on this season what has it Lift in our Pike's then the chief see should the shift left and it was just a coincidence. It's almost ready with shift on the way to visit his uncle and then hammer lift as saying period is Tom it's like bugsy, could you get to the fucking gossip? Tell you how to talk said, this is not how to do it bugsy, and this is why you cannot come back next season as chiefs do you need to learn that? Asia's like, oh Actually ask she left and then we ran the last shot of just the two of us just me and Jessica. Oh. ooh. Actually Act as someone just got the capitated. Hot Tub. So she tells us I'm very close with her. To nightmarish books, they have a pause, the wanted meter room. So false history did me with nothing but absolute cord Nissim Beretta Spillover Mayor. Which means stupid but it might be dreamed turned upside down. How could you be a pitch to someone got helpless Oh And then we see quick shots, things, happening Thomson, the Thomson, the kitchen emily walks by and waves at him through the kitchen window just can imagine being like. She thinks she's cute Roger think she's cute wave and okay if she wants to be supportive girlfriend, she won't bother me what I'm trying to poach some fucking photos for not Johnny being a baseball player makes me very very nervous or know absolutely nothing about base spoke fastbraces quicken I reckon. People even poaching his CV for baseball player. Baseball, player. Because Bugsy has for her table escapes, she got a bunch of referee whistles and To use this in baseball I'm just asking because if you don't make the tapes, get perfect and my friends what look good supposedly. So then down in the mass Alex's talking to Asia, and he's like so when did you come from today like Bali? Hai, we were all just in that seem. Don't say Bali what kind of question is that? Where'd you come from? And she says as so you goes of Romantically intertwined to Rob Jess Oh. Thank you. And then she gives us an update on Jack Sheehan jacker not still together shocker because Jacqueline back to his ex girlfriend when she and Jack when. Jack, still together and Asia found out by watching the ex-girlfriends stores. Like good forked. She says, you say ring a bean all. Code rules half a cheeky dot your back. Is By isn't Jack married to his ex girlfriend now I think that they got married like no way I don't know the I. I feel like I can only watch you clean Wednesday late. It's like I'm not GONNA follow the cleaning guy off the. Diss send me a card at Christmas with your family and your terrible sweaters. Okay. Stupid. People to keep track of on this damn show. Yeah. So then Thomas Cooking and malaria comes in and feeds him something while he's cooking he's like doing some people lobsters whatever and she feeds him something i. think like compliments something another I think she complements him about like. Peanuts I don't know what it was, but she's like, Oh, you make a really good peanut and he's like I'm not just chopping carrots in here. I'm actually I'm actually will renowned chef I met I do good work my mother cooked for Queen Queen Mother Queen Mother and I do good work and. You don't even have. Shown Ya. Kitchen. How can we don't have? This is what we all want to talk. About, and you want to be far nobody. My mouth button officers. So then bugs and Jess and ACO have a meeting of the dining room and like sand lake Saudi to have tons of experience. It's very helpful. Magic is gone through this. You're thirsty with me, Jeff and me largest bring lots and lots of. Injustice. Like I think Asia fits in gray but at the same time why the fuck was an I moved up to second style. Oh. Sorry alight fell on me. Justice Charter your predominantly in the laundry Manno of nobody's job is more important than the next job. Everyone is a star except for the people in the chorus. Congratulations Jess. You're very important core slave today, mcclair stage care Spain's just even though you'll be only seen for three minutes per day by the guests I want the best compliment to come from them to say just made a one of a breakfast at escape it was not. That's what I want for you just now getting the laundry room and be motivated are smallpox only small loads of laundry get. So then they have a team hand bile and captains like Akron deck crew on deck me Emily Port Wing. Malia. Jesus. It's like the first time I learned where came from. So they have so they basically have the day dock the boat in a very narrow slip, which is funny because that's what also happened with the Damons last time I believe. So. Oh my God gotTa get into tight slip and people are watching people are watching and saying like the fucking thing out God starboard starboard traits turned bunk deport bumped apart Baltimore Baltimore. That's certain. Fifty finistere and Straits turns straight discern deport come to line then your. Own. Nice work everyone. Always may swear, right we did. We did it got not. Post beads. ME. Ric. So then they're getting dressed and me tomor in their room getting dressed and he's like North's work on those maneuvers like candidate is that the tardy spot you've got inches like probably. Not just chopping carrots down there either you might have. She get Innuendo Malir did you get it because I was thinking about for path five minutes you lock it now You say something I mean I'm just I'm not I'm not I don't have all time just come up with the window if I do come with any Wendy. I, do expect a little bit of feedback from you've been come on. Off. What's going to fry FRY lobster that perished? How many believe? This is one humorless couple. As urban one second of humor with this couple yet. Ministry. So then the captain of course, it's like Atia GimMe another how can I get over here? That we have we have Robin Jess and Rob Rob Blake enters their bunk and he goes on you Mike Dude. You guys were just outside together. You're in the same boat you're in the same space. So then Thomas deboning chicken. He's like I'm taking the caucus out of this in the number reforming it as a bird. Of got to go baseball called dominant something to do I'm already reforming a bird. Can I get some respects? This is tribute to my mother because that's what she did. She got all the things that make me special and reform into a chef, and that's what I'm doing this bird right now. Now, what is the baseball? So they line up and Johnny get some weird drums as he walks up to everybody he's got new crazy hair and terrible Florida shirt. Bear. A very expensive the shirt from Florida. Yeah and I was like Oh God Alex is going to have an erection because he's like so Boston and turn off like Oh. Yeah. He was Boston's hero for a bit. Okay. I mean we fucking hated it. When he went to the Yankees cut off his hair, he still has a place in my heart. Yeah. Johnny cash can't wait to make it up to you for lasting especially in the food department air ain't especially in the food apparent man so bugs. Or Janis Hey. We're going to be wrestling and then we see clips of ladies wrestling on the ground I'm like Oh my God are you going to do call backs to your season like it's the best episode of below average shut up johnny. please. So yeah, and then there's going all around and everything and Malia career. Okay. Just as a reminder, fenders are our priority vendor rob what are you doing? Writing a miss. You Note Too Jessica I haven't seen him in about five minutes. I feel that our hearts are growing asunder. So now Dutton Alan docking and I'll make so saute. Battiston circumstance started about star Stab stabber closeness escrow. Get Job. Great job. Everyone up. We also have just who's in her she's in her room and had rob opens the door just slammed the door Andrew I'll. Gets hurt. Every. Single. Episode. So a Dina's on the boat we've seen it Tina. And she's like, yeah. She's she's doing like an instagram live or something say. On the Beezer. Ear. Then we just see like we're seeing bugs do something around the table and then we just like. Like the most Derek typical like. The sort of scream you don't think people actually scream, but she did it. With. Cameras Turns. Over at Edina Fallen on her face and on top of her champagne glass. You. and. Me, it's like Oh. My God. There's a lot of blood. There is so much blood. Yeah. Talk to your doctor Hook ash they cut. Is. This is this Hannah's fault. Drag See. This is why we can't have Hannah on board EDINA would be dead by now. Okay. Look at. Fast with a band-aid like that. So malaria comes band AIDS. And unfortunately Edina, we can't give you any tylenol because we just consulted with our lawyer maritime law and she says all drugs clean tylenol and chicken soup are ethnically goal. So everybody's kind of laughing at Edina 'cause she's already she's already fallen and AC comes up to bugs. We cannot get service, call some bucks over there. And Asia's like. She's Talkng with jazz and I was like like so do you WanNa be chiefs chiefs do someday and justice like? No chief is like too much pressure. Album finger. My finger just got my finger on my hair. You I'm happy being sinking. And then we just kept to robin bed. texting away and texting. And then Tom. Atia what does the baseball pitch look like? Because it caught a pitch or field is a pitcher or field or maybe it's called Mulberry Bushes that what's called Mulberry is in the Mulberry What What Is Act? What is actually baseball is it's about. Is it about a bass drum that you roll down the pitch? Is that what is what is it? then. We see Michelle outside with ha she's serving them drinks Michelle's like Sack because maybe A. Plastic now like our wedding. Shape rock glasses that are whining and is like Wa wa batch I rove s sparking withing i. Probably, did I feel like that's actually an exact quote from that ceremony So, then we see Asia in the kitchen with Thomas is like ooh lobster `tatoes fancy pansies. So you usually phone yards. Jong to concentrate on God. Damn. motherfucking American sports right now playing is. Modify, through this town potato. relocated. Out The been put the potato and the now, what am I supposed to do? So it's a the potato. Now, I can only thirty minutes. Let's make. How do that? So Tom Selleck. Well, if guests have previous experience, I can't provide errors. Everything has to be back. Yeah. So the guests all sit down at the table and they're ready for launch and Asia meanwhile. The kitchen. Asking about if they recycled glass and everything they like. Yeah, she goes. I love what people recycle it so go. Things out about. Everything. That is so Asia. Said, they start delivering bunch Barada's first, and then the roast baby reforms chicken. And everybody loves. It sounds like a hallway check on because the younger they are the more tender ride and bugs go. Thanks for she said Ou sometimes, they call me Roxie. They all loving the food which does look pretty amazing and then Asia is like. Thome to modify group apart to that for college I, just live. In and. Just like Oh my God I people we signed come on. She's sal great boom. Banks had other dryers. Dryer. It's like we're making you that but we're not we're not like. Many Times this episode. So Alex's talking to bugs. He's like what am I in baseball and she's like unpire because you do you say that because I always strike out and I, wrote down bugs, Alex flirting I can't I know we just completely ignored the other two times like this is the most awkward flirting. You both seem lovely people please stop please stop trying to make this happen. Okay. I don't need to seriously. So then Thomas Planning up his desert, which is a bit of a play on the baseball team I've learned that that it's a it's a white ball and some jelly and will crumble and a chocolate fair and then you know the customary Lupu fire that we all know as essential to all baseball games data little bit Sir Ke- you. Can't. So they have to deliver and everybody's like, wow, they're baseball's. Yeah, it does look pretty cool although it looked a little bit less like a ball diamond and more like A. Like a cone, like an ice cream cone of crumble but still looked very Shali on dal or something. That's so British. Green like amid Jelly move. Put It on a jelly yeah. So. Then rob is in the laundry and he walks away justice watches him slowly like what are they building up to in this? It's like the weirdest buildup ever. Maybe, it'll be different print out from orbits tonight. So. Then the guess WanNa slide down the slide. Bet there's Jelly. Schaja emily is like don't worry I'll put someone down there to protect you a miserable. That's terrible. Just kind of throw up person there to guard us from a jellyfish like. Now. This is how you do. You don't throw per person just swim up the driver should say I earned this ocean jellyfish earn on get out of here you need somebody gets stung not now just fucking Michelle are put Medina an fucking difference thrower and. So. What are sports and then Robin Jessop in bed and just like you're cute. Something like that. Gosh. Rob Such a Downer and he's just lying there on his phone and she's supposed to be what's wrong. Oh my God. Let's talk about this. You have feelings, but she doesn't she just goes. Could talk gotta go back to work. Extra shouts she's going through lot turn. Explain it might you sort of? Did she reached out to you? She's gone through some things. And you chose the right back and get involved quick quick quick quick. It's time for commercial it's time. 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Thatched his right bag iming Bryant tart that. Got Bad Jellyfish Batu. Batu Janet. Seriously because it goes to commercial as coming up, I would just see both dropping a bucket like, oh I love this show like. Some shows it's like coming up and there's like a big fight. This show it's like someone dropped a bucket. So everything's fine. Nobody Got Stong and bugs sensation on a break, and she's like just just get laundry in a good place and then just tells us you know I didn't want to admit that. But my job is easier since bugs over like she has cleared are action some more flu AB. I'll. I Bang my knee against the wall when I was trying to say the word fluid. Oh. So, then bugs is gotTa wacky idea for dinner tonight everybody's GonNa wear. Yeah. That's that's a neon. NEON party. which is Great. So so jess, they're all putting on Tutus and Jessica has hers his orange. Look. Like Halloween's or another one I don't want to be Halloween again. You don't you look like a punking that's much better. Thanks bugs. No, I don't WANNA chained. Is like let's not seem as Funky, neon party and what better way to the have the theme, the people all serving. You'll be funk in the onto. Famous Dream Mike what could be bad I. Could think of fifty things, for example, a stupid American sport for one. How `bout cricket cricket would be bad. So. So now rob is now down to crew mess cabins and is just sitting there eating and robs being all mo and he's like. I'm just checked up now and she's like Oh you need some sleep need sleep or a hug her leap or an APP something like that has no harm rested on in my head right now she's like. All. I've never seen someone not even try to fake and in front of the cabinet like who does that Rob Wants everybody to ask him about his feelings all the fucking time. It's not about your feelings. Nobody cares a welcome to the real world. Okay. I don't say that show from your bosses God. So me is talking me goes to bitch Tom about it like he just told me and Captain Sandy he's checked out and I'm like you just told your boss captains your check out like I'm honestly worried for him to be on tonight. Exactly which this says. Tom Play, the post fish because I don't hear anything about Poach Fish. Okay I'm fuming human right now. So the guests get dressed for dinner and bugsy put some green makeup on Johnny and it's Wack. Missiles like Oh, my God this tab locks off. And then I noticed that Pandora Vander pumped is on this boat and What happened? How did Pandora Vanderbilt become so much fun. She took off her shawl. I finally been let out of the House without attachment on. I've told my mother. I'm showing the world my shoulders for once. So, is now helping Tom Plate and everything, and then upstairs Michelle is talking to she's getting pregnant and I. Ask. So as we said before. Tonight's theme is Funky Neon Beef Party and nothing says Funky neon liked some scallops and pork belly. Don't worry there's also a potato puree. Funky neon you say. And the captain of course is stalking the chef. You know she's like got her head poke him all over the place and she's like you know what I wanNA know. I WanNa know is what Johnny thinks and he's like. Well, it's not super high is more warm sky can't let the squall. Ridiculous. That's your big. He doesn't even care. He's just pulling that from last the last time he was on, you know it's also like. Have like. How many restaurants have you ever been in where the food comes out scalding hot scalding hot but you have to wait I. Think the only examples I can think of are like what if I've gone to like? I've gotten like. Tofu at like like Korean. Tofu. It comes into bowl and it's like it's like an it's like clay pot and actively bubbling. Okay. So hot pots. Sunlight that maybe a skillet thing I don't know I. Don't know if even a FAJITA would even be as hot even though it's even though it says link. So him saying things like, Oh, it's not even it's not even. Like what does he want your urine like a formal dining go eat in the kitchen then you lose her and the captain's like well, it's GonNa be hot on the inside, but you know what? You know what it's okay. I want this to be hot. So she takes the plate and runs down to the kitchen and she wasn't hot. It was warm. We need to figure out how to make food So they Say they're GONNA put a bowl over over Johnny's plate like this. Is a close which is weird. Yeah close it is weird but they take this big metal Bolton maybe it was a close I don't know it looked like just -able. So they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA put it under that but it doesn't really fit to play right and then upstairs Johnny doesn't even care as he bites into it he's like, oh It's great. Yeah. He is an Tom downs to bring up the next Tom's like. This comes back warm but not hot. I'm going to lease Marcia. Marcia. Marcia. Marcia and then crash me drops the closed Plato's. Oh Bugsy drops it like bomb because it's like a big Tim, Bowl. Bump bump Roman everyone here's upstairs. OPA. By Pa Eleven Ed A lab. De. Very tried to fix her Greek weight thing with Bingo but it didn't work. Me Like Oh my God. Jobs GonNA freak out. So she takes it and runs down Tom just dropped a plate which is. Interesting because she's like she's following in front of the. Oncoming train to save bugsy. Yeah and like I'm not going to stress out things crazy to have them have other ones ready to go I mean you have to prepare for everything. Okay. You have to have everything I'm I don't act like you are like Mr Chill here. Okay. We all saw you freak out about the potato. Now he's acting like he's always been prepared. So the guys La- rob's like you just made a freshman in five seconds, but once you and you'll head about it multiple. that. Make you feel. And they love it and bags. It's like. He's like it's hard and the captain's wow good recovery time and he said it was hot. Yeah so Then Malaya's with rob and Rob Sorta, trust your artery just sensitive to no reason only about something but it's done mobile. Don't say you got sensitive for no reason about something because if it's about something that's the front for no reason just wanted to ask you know he wants to be able to open up. was stressed but now don she's supposed to say what was stressing you out but she's like I'm not I'm not to that. So how? How Fun cry and Cry Person So then the guest to this cigar ru and One of the guests says her name is Shana Shannon and she's like Aragon Michelle has, Bang Saen and Michelle pulls up her dress and starts wagging your but at them and she's not spanked bed is called a fucking thought I mean bank black yes in your. Dead. Wile who? Got I love when the guests fight remember there was that girl I think it was last season on blowback. She the one girl that didn't fit in just like she wanted to go to sleep early or some light. On getting her own room and then so the other girl had to sleep on the couch or something it was on that was. That was on regular blow de that was her too and then there was the one I think blo deg. Med. Where there was someone I think called like Jess? It was awesome a disaster, and then there was also the regular blow deck before that where there was that girl at like a bridal party or something like bossing all our friends around. I love it I. Love It. I need more just like that. So Michelle's trying to have this big fight with Shanna and she saying. For and Michelle shaking your ass everywhere. It's just like, ooh, the having to faulting. Sick. Yeah and so then Michelle. So basically, Shanna retreat through her bedroom, and then her boyfriend is like you know what? That's a common means that you're fat. You know when you ask them if the wing spanked I, mean the fans they're coming up the fan I'm just saying I'm just saying US shit comment. He said ASSOC Shannon comes back in her PJ's and she thinks. Michelle Eight. Sorry about one lying in assholes. And I allowed to kneel. Michelle's like aw I allow. So. Then everyone gets into bed and. It's the more announced the morning and Tom's making. And Rob is texting injustice like WHO's that owl? Sorry I just my head on the ceiling accident. Tom Putting baking in the oven Goddamn at these ingrates and then bloop jess in robber in bed and she hears the blue profess phone and she's like who is that and he's like this might sound strange but my extra stout and I've been communicating with her. All You mad I'm not okay with that. I don't give a shy. Just wanted to I don't give a shit, but it's not a personal thing. Don't disappear on me. Don't do so up here on me what I'm communicating with my ex I'm trusting him but there's starting to be Brad flag. So I said really because you started dating him when he had another girlfriend. Sorry. To remind you about the little plot point, but he did have a girlfriend when you started dating. Yeah. You know it's a red flag oppressive neediness. Okay. That's a red flag. So be careful. Yeah. So bugs goes up to check out the table set because you know this is justice moment to shine impressive home with the breakfast table settings and she's like Oh. Cool. You see jess, you haven't in new it's really pretty you have been you. Yeah you're a real Sandra bullock. Table side. So bugsy suck. No Ma. It's me bugsy cooling on just confirming VIP table four today at three PM. Yeah. Yes. So they're going to be going to the end of season, party? Who told you about abuse judge so The tenderest be ready at two o'clock and Jessica texting rob from the laundry room because she's pissed and rob basically as texted just backed black don't make this about yourself. You're always making it about yourself rob you make literally everything about yourself. Everything is about how you're feeling how you're in your own head and how you're just like checked out because of something happening right now. So don't get mad at her because she's pissed that you're texting with your ex yeah and Alex is talking to them and Robin Brew this is being blown out of proportion. He's like dude, tell him what you know what what if I never told you you know You won't ask woman about it. He's like well, I have no choice who takes me it is my choice whether I reply on out she's making me feel calm doing something wrong you are you are. You don't get bonus points because you're honest about it. You don't. Just change my flight from West, Palm Beach One like that's on you. You known each other for like four weeks. Okay on you. Am I think he wants her to find out because you wouldn't keep your tax on you know what I mean. You would just turn them off or precedent not disturb on her name or something like this. The first time cheated Sir do need some help. Yeah I almost feel like he should. I cheated. Should. He should have said something like like Oh. God, it's my axe while she's been hitting me up. She's gone gone through a thing like just be like really upfront about what it is. Don't be like it's my axes communicating with me just be like upfront and if Jesse down that, then you say axe listen I'm sorry. I. Wish I could be there for you but I'm with someone else now and This is an this is not an appropriate situation for me to be texting with you about when it was gonna just making me take a step back and make me think am I really ready to spend his time in Bali with her God stop acting everyone like you're doing them a favor by going to Bali for gray I know like are you really ready to go to a tropical paradise with a woman? On woman. You can have sex with every single day your regular fucking saint. So just passes the guests and they're like, oh hi yeah I don't even get to see that often. And she goes on throws a towel down to Alex. Hey. Seriously, don't let things bother you right like you know what I'm seeing like both sides of it and like it's his situation awry. And she's like, but it's invading both our spaces his yet to be born standing you have to be more understanding and she's like. No and she does not have to be more understanding and she's like this is your negative to deal with block the bitch and get rid of her, which is right. Curses through the hallway God, Dannatt back. So, make Johnny sorry I had that earlier and bucks off go good news fully I shy. I'm you send mingay. Sending you a show for the clothes in Tari Y-. Then sandy happens to be standing right there and she's like that doesn't mean you get to drink and for whatever reason sandy's like marrying two bottles together channel what they even were. Just going to stand here and put put liquid from one bottle into another and just be here your helpful captain genius burying bottles. You never know when that chefs going to train, send something that hot out. Kinda. Stand hair at all times are. and. Got Shot. So Mubarak's already. ooh. So. Bugs is now making a are crafting makeup station where the guests can now put on crazy a be a makeup and then Robin Jess now having strand conversation. How do you think well, I feel like you got all defensive and all there was asking you questions all count controlled people reaching out at I'm not entertaining schlock art. It's almost like. If someone says, knock knock and you say who's now is that really your fault asking who's on the other side of the door I don't think so. What did the chicken cross the road? If I'd never texted her back out never have found out. That chicken was in its own head. And he tells her I told you feelings and I think she's just trying to push and create some drama well, then if you know that. then. Engaging. And say like, well, that's not normal and he's like Oh feel a talked. Of course. To. Well the me would beat the shit out of her I mean. every now, and then Demon Jesse can sub burge. If she's pushed I'm like I don't think that's the right use of submarines. I like the jets every now, and then just we'll just. Dive deeper away from us. That ghost going into the water. Did. You guys know that goes is also a free diver. That's amazing. That ghost is a great synchronized swimmer on Wednesdays murdering. People. Demon gestures sometimes has emerged yourself. And it's just like Oh yeah I destroyed one of my ex. Boyfriend House. So, then Tom in Malaysia Malaysia Shafie with the water to ways out. So we can play play. I being here concentrating on the vertebrae. Of this chicken, do what you will. So. So all playing. Yes. Now like the I'm sorry. So justice stomach hurts right now another makeup Michelle puts a crazy marijuana plant on on a forehead. Wow Marijuana and then they head over to a visa and they're like the beach club and there's like partying and like crazy fluids and all that madness it's fun year on some lady sits on a station like puts up. To shot down her throat. So and then. All the all the all the crew gets to play on all the water toys and stuff. Yeah Yeah I go have some fun. I then, and so the put out all the crews playing sandy just standing by the slide like he can go down the slide come on. Mom said, it's okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Hugs afterwards. Hey, guys I got some Dixie Cups and hugs afterwards when you're done with the water and then they just keep cutting back from all the fun back to Robin bed click the. Knocked of course. In his head. And then Alex jet skiing with Bugsy and confessing his heart. He's like I'll be honest with you. Honestly the last two nights I can't get you out of my fucking mind I mean like it's like crazy. We caught you on I mean honestly I'm just so happy that you onboard and I just like your presence and like it's like you join Damon and like what's next and then gossip no Mazda come on board I mean like what's what's this crazy i? Mean? You're the ship Shit that's what I'm trying to say Boggs. He want to ski hat damn. So then is on the swim Dak and she's like or the swim platform or whatever. 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06-19-19 Predraft Update w/ Jon Rosen

All The Kings Men

39:11 min | 1 year ago

06-19-19 Predraft Update w/ Jon Rosen

"You're listening to all the king's men, the official podcast of the LA kings. Now here's your host, Jesse Cohen. The two thousand nine hundred ninety chill entry draft is right around the corner kings fans after that. We've got a week of development camp, the free agency, negotiating window, and then, of course, the opening of the free agency signing, period. We couldn't go into this big weekend without first touching base with the insider. And so Jon Rosen is here to talk to me about the draft and everything else looming for the kings during the summer. Don't forget, on Saturday morning at eleven AM, we will be going live on the LA kings, audio network to recap the first he rounds talk to some draft picks and members of the organization. And of course, to take your calls about the draft and the rest of the summer, that's eleven AM on the LA kings audio network available through the I heart radio app until then, here's Johnny. Joining me now, the LA kings insider John Rosen. How you doing today job, I'm great Jesse. Thank you. You know you just brought up a good point. We were trying to think of, you know, how are how are lead into this, this podcast would go. How you doing this morning? He brought up. Corey Perry was going to be bought out by the Anaheim ducks very difficult move for Bob Murray. And we just wrote about it recently when I was writing about the two thousand fourteen Cup. I wanna get to Corey, Perry, the positives in a moment, but that was the most Corey Perry moment. Among many Corey Perry moments in the rivalry when playing with a broken stick. You know, the kind of shrug to the referee to draw the penalty shot in game seven two thousand fourteen was the most Corey Perry moment. That was like it's like the chefs kiss not of, of, of beautiful kind of gamesmanship, that's maybe a little bit a below. What's cool in the acceptable mandate jail. But as a tremendous goalscorer, former Hart trophy winner and debt, certainly somebody that made the kings in ducks freeway face off rivalry, as good as it has been as good as it was in an even when the teams are struggling still the heated emotional very physical rivalry between the kings and ducks. I mean he's hall of Famer in that art. So a tip of the cap to what looks to be the end of the road for a long e pock of kings, animosity in history. So a. Very, very good hockey player and friends with a number of players on the LA kings. Atra Doughty's wedding good friends with Jeff Carter, the London, Ontario connection. So a tip tip of the category Perry. The I'm on, on record saying I love a good villain. And I think sports are enhanced by villainy as long as it's not as long as it doesn't rise to the level of, you know, like actually hurting somebody. It's like I look at San Jose, and there is an appreciation of the way that they have like the way the Doug Wilson has built a team and the way they've maintained for so long, and I think we're kind of like in that post sharks king, sharks, rivalry, the games are obviously, always heated. You go up two games to in San Jose. Those are fantastic at Los Angeles as well. But it doesn't I think, have that same kind of bite as kin Stutz rivalry still has right now maybe five years ago, even after fourteen. King sharks probably still would have been that heaviest, you know, angriest rivalry. But I think I think, you know, the, the, it's a little bit of a different type of kind of the villain ry appreciation, Joe Thornton. It is in the stories that I've heard of Joe Thornton. I have a great appreciation. Obviously everyone shift for the way that he plays in has conducted himself as a National Hockey League. I I love we are better hockey fans. I'm having watched Joe Thornton. You know, it's, it's with the Anaheim, ducks, it's a little bit more personal still, probably, so I don't know if I'm articulating this. Well, I want you to weigh in here. Well, I think the I think the sharks may be the king's chief rival, but I think that the docks at least a fan base. I don't want the obviously players changed in front office dynamics shift, etc. And as you mentioned Perry's, we know they're friends Easterns Carter in dowdy. But I think that familiarity helped moments like when he squirts water into the Jeff Carter's glove, as it sitting on the bench, you know, and the fans see that, and we all lose our minds, but of course, to them, it's probably just, you know, a silly thing amongst friends, but I feel like the sharks are the kings rivals? But the ducks are the are the kings, sibling. You know, we play what forty minutes away, you know, traffic. You know, and so I know tons of people who have rooted for both teams in their lives. If you go to Ontario rain game you will see fans of both NHL teams all rooting for the rain. And so the, the rivalry exists on this level of familiarity that doesn't exist in other places, you know, obviously LA has a has a ought relationship with Orange County, but it's nowhere near the decades long rivalry of southern California to northern California that spans right every sport. Yeah. That's what made some of the, you know. Cheering preferences in the NBA in any NHL playoffs this year. Interesting. I mean there was in Boston teams Boston team. There's a bear area team. Obviously in the Golden State Warriors going up against a Toronto team. And whatever Toronto team is in the playoffs in any sport hockey or beyond the entirety of all everybody on Twitter. It seems is, is backing the Toronto Raptors Toronto Blue Jays in to the point where you're almost thinking, like, you know, go bay area sports teeth hired all this Renfro raptors bent on my. I spent much time. Well, I have news very buddy. I was born in Toronto. What another wonderful city Vancouver, home of the NHL draft this week. You mentioned Hoover, obviously a huge week. It is the NHL entry draft so kings have ten picks. It doesn't it doesn't grab my fancy, but there's been tons of speculation about who gangs are gonna pick, you know, will they trade will they go for defenseman. Will they go for a center? I imagine you have been swamped with questions at curia in curious fans. So where do we start this massive conversation? John probably I mean just sixty percent chance it's going to be Kirby. Doc, sixty five I would say, seventy somewhere around there, you know, I wouldn't buy, I'm not buying any of the hype that Bowen, Byrom could fall to number five everything that I've heard of the last two months is that if he gets past three he'll go at number four. But you never know there is the value of a true number one center. Alex Turcott is that seeming consensus. Number one center beyond. You know, you get past the, you know, the Jackie us, you know, in that part of the draft. But this is a Kingston that's gonna come down to if it's not Byrom or to cut following it's almost certainly dock. And then after that Dylan cousins may be Trevor's egress, maybe I don't believe they are as, as up on coal Caufield. I mean they love goal Caufield, but probably not at number five, you know, when you have a potential to take eight potential frontline center or the best defenceman in the draft. So. You know what we were hearing still from the western Hockey League? You know, I spoke gum yesterday with Peter an hold the general manager of the left bridge hurricanes. He doesn't think he's, he's getting to number five in also had some very interesting things to say about Dylan cousins who also is a possibility with that big as well. Calling him Jeff Carter like a player that, that is like a Jeff art that skates that shoots that has that big body that frame has a good responsible defensive wherewithal. But still, it looks like this is going to be a a Kirby. Doc to LA again. We can't deal in absolute Sierra, you know, I, I don't think anybody expected a Thomas Hickey at back several years ago. So is point I would probably just place, a probability at between sixteen seventy percent from my readings. And you know, if it's if it is a, you know, you should be doing backflips because that would be a for as disappointing as missing out on one or two. That would be a tremendous get at number three. You know, it'd be like similar to Colorado several years ago and being able to get, you know, a kale Macara at I believe it was number five two. So when I was a kid, I collected hockey guard says many kids did. And as I got older hockey cards became a two parts of either. But, but the XBox came to replace for me. What the hockey cards did right there. There was hockey guards were away to stay familiar with players that I ordered narrowly wouldn't necessarily hear about, you know, reading game recaps or checking the scores in the LA times. Whatever was. So I know from Kirby. Doc only from my XBox. I know he's six foot four. I know he's huge for his age. I've spoken to people about cousins. I've heard the Jeff Carter comparisons. What do we know about Kirby doc? What is what is he what does he project to turn? I mean, obviously you never know with an eighteen year old but what are people thinking his ceiling is yet? What just to go back to correcting myself kale Makarov fourth overall pick up by several years ago? But Kirby dockets it's just that the understanding it is IQ at the game. How that is expected to kind of spread into other parts of his game and, and be somebody that the dad should be able to put his skill set, which is a high degree of skill a good, not great skater, but put, a very high degree of skill and playmaking a to use in many assets of the game both in his own. And in the offense zone he is somebody that did not have statistically fantastic season, which is something that. When you are drafting at number five there is not going there might be a flaw in some of these players where there are there is going to be a question. It's not a Jackie. It's not a cap Kako where, you know, this is somebody. That is a can't miss, you know, you do have some questions there. But still, there is extremely high degree of skill in playmaking, it aligns more towards the playmaking probably that we still has a very good shot. He is one of the best approaches. I you know, when he gets words, the intangibles somebody that does not cut corners holds himself accountable. He's very well prepared in somebody that you don't see very often as a seventeen year old wearing a letter for the Saskatoon blades. So when I was watching him the first thing that I saw was, was probably the skill the hands the play making on the ability to, to really pull strings from the half wall, and be somebody that would probably be, you know, a good copay tight player on the power play. But still, you know, somebody that projects as a first line center, the comparisons have been Ryan gets left. I mean that's a best case scenario. I mean we eating on Doug about Ryan, desolate Famer so. Breath, savers this age. But at this point, just somebody that was seen it was a very high bantam draft pick and has largely along with guys like Peyton crabs and Bowen buyer, mother high by a band of draft picks actually cousins was, was drafted at the end of the first round, but in sixteen at believe it was Krebs dock and by going one-two-three. I'm not sure if that order is correct. But largely lived up to it, perhaps a lull, a little bit in his play this year in which he wasn't producing it again. That's something that is taken into consideration. But I think when, when the kings look at it and all teams are scouting him. They see somebody is who projects a point producer down the middle of the ice. And that's a very important position that e e need to fill in the kings. Have some guys there that you're not sure if they're going to be center, if they're going to be wing, a pari can play both the Lardy can play both Anderson Dolan can play, both Akil Thomas can play both. But this is somebody that would project his as number one first line center. There are a lot of phrases that tend to get repeated both within the kings organization in, in the hockey world, writ large one of the ones, I've noticed picking up steam is that the kings won't take anybody who skating doesn't meet a certain criteria and the ad like one, putting is me among yet. They I I mean, that's, that's it's, it's a it's hard to say that right now when they're looking at, like, NCAA free agent status. That's something that is very, very important when they are looking at players. Maybe perhaps they're past their first round pick. Is it the I if you're drafting fifth overall, you gotta get the best player available? But I, I mean I wouldn't you someone like gave the Lardy I wouldn't grade right now at that threshold of skating that the kings would be looking for they're going to try and make him you know, as powerful of kind of awkward skaters a possibly can. But again, that's something that shouldn't be something that folds. Back this game. And I'm digressing him here too much anyway. But yes that is true. That's something that on a one to five scale, they're looking at guys who are four a grading in terms of their, their skating, their mobility. But again, tonight, I shared this in the piece that I just recently wrote, they're also looking right now at competitiveness battle element. It's not just going to be a team that's going to be going out there. You know, skill skill skill, you know skating against, you know, finding the obviously, you wanna have that skill you wanna find that open space, but they have to be able to have that battle element that compete and as we talked about, you know, just recently with doc, you know that real kind of constitution to be able to want to dig in a an have that character to, to win battles push through that adversity. I mean it's probably sounds like something that's generic that all teams are looking for. But I just wanna make sure that the people understand it like the kings really underwent, a shift kind of in what they're looking to do and draft they went past, you know, the, the bigger heavier, the match malts type. Draft pick now. It's players. It maybe they wouldn't have drafted before someone like Jared Anderson Dolan, would probably not have ridicule Thomas. Maybe not been as high up on the list as they had before the philosophy right now is to incorporate that speed and skill. They wanna go out there down the line, when they are at the peak of their contention outscoring teams offensively minded, a but with that being said, they still retain that same kind of they want that lunch pail grit, mucking it up winning battles along the boards Nate thinks that's, that's, that's something that will have to be a kind of a combination a hybrid type of player that I think is, is ideally, you know, the type of player that they're looking for this is what I find so fascinating about the sort of rush of commentary from front office, people from media, people from vans. Everybody seems to, to need to nail that comment of faster more skilled etcetera etcetera, and yet. More and more. It's becoming coupled with, you know, but you also need to, you know, win puck battles and win board battles and go to the dirty areas on the Isan. It's one of those things where I feel like even the even the quote unquote. Big bad kings teams that won the Cup in two thousand twelve and two thousand fourteen each of those rosters had its share of guys that wouldn't necessarily fit meet the criteria of six foot four yet. Right in your head and down. Yes. Absolutely. So I mean I it's sort, sorta, like, you know, d Lombardi's the layout, these spreadsheets in talk about, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I would always look at it in sort of shrug like okay, so what you're saying is you wanna get a bunch of really good players who, who play really good. Okay. It's complicated. I guess, you know, but you're, you're absolutely right. Jesse and I think when you look at the two thousand twelve team, especially I think that was probably a bigger influence on a number of other. Teams right spoke about Mark United with market. Eddie about this a little bit earlier in the summer where it's about if you don't have that puck. Go get that up back turn it around in the other direction Vegas did such a good job of that in their first season like it was fascinating to watch the way that when they lost that puck they were right there on you. They're bad jogging just phenomenal. It was like watching, you know, the kings in twelve and some of those Blackhawks teams as well the way that guys like Marian Hosa, Patrick Kane would immediately even down to the Marcus Kruger's of their team immediately. Get that up back. So that's something that's very important. I mean that's essentially, I think the way a lot of teams wanna play right now. And that's what you find success in you look at the last two Stanley Cup winners. I mean, Saint Louis for as much as they have trended an added some skill in a little bit better goal scoring ability. They're still wanna leaks. Heavier teams we saw that in the Stanley Cup final throughout the playoffs here in Washington Capitals. Long been one of the heavier teams out east. They won the year before. So. There is that, perhaps that hybrid element. Perhaps it is again that, that just that need to go and win pucks back, get that back. And I think that's something that the kings are looking for in addition to that speed in skill. We spoke to market Nettie immediately following the draft lottery. And the question came up as frequently does in, it's one of those questions that I feel like just has to be asked just mainly. So you feel the comfort of hearing, the answer in that is, do you draft for need, or you do have for best player available? You've already said that the number five spot. You have to take the, the best player available. They don't generally change up their their, their philosophy by pick basically, what you have is an organizational philosophy and you build your list off of kind of what your philosophy as so, like in two thousand seventeen Blake's first draft at that list, probably may have evolved in that one's name change, because there is a little bit more of a bent towards type of player. They're looking for this as a team that needs to incorporate skill into their lineup. As soon as quickly as they can. But is a skill deficiencies. There has been for the better part of probably the last decade beyond the beyond the teams essentially superstars so. Your your list. You know, it's shaped that way it's not necessarily based on need in needs. You know, three four years down the line. You're not quite sure what it is. You just know the type of way that you wanna play the philosophies you have. It's much more intricate and detailed in kind of like the opaque way whatever I'm saying right now. But, but that's how the list is built. It's built more often organizational philosophy. I'm always sort of stunned. When I hear people talk about, you know, it's a different conversation. Obviously, when you're talking about the fifth overall pick, but when we're looking at the twenty twenty second pick or the thirty third pick or, or what have you. Once we start getting into the deep arounds, we're talking about prospects that may not have a legitimate shot at breaking the roster for two three potentially four years. And that's a four years that has a collective bargaining a renegotiation on expansion draft a big. Big huge contracts that potentially come off the books for the kings. I mean for the next four years could be like could just completely reshape the franchise envel- league. So why are we worried about, you know, left wing scoring depth in the you know, quote unquote in the system. Right. Like. Know that's an interesting question in and you have to be able to kind of predict futures of where the game is trending where the game is headed like. You know you would look at the way the game is headed right now. It is a faster game when he talked to the players ended you talked to the coaches, there are smaller faster often younger players, it's not as much of a, you know, the we, we've been over the sixty thousand. So what, what is the best type of defensemen to counter, a like potentially smaller, potentially more skilled on average potentially faster? NHL skater. You're going to need faster defenseman you're going to need defensemen. With good sticks. You're gonna be defensemen that, that have good range and mobility in and are able to cover all three zones very quickly. So, you know, it's it it changes, and you have to kind of, I guess, sense those where those where that evolution will be down the line. So it's, it's an interesting conversation. It's one that I think that, you know, when when you get deep into season in, you know, you're sitting next to rob Bowman at the LA kings table. Staples Center, these are the interesting types of conversations that are brought up in and where the game is headed the types of players. That will be, you know, more more desirable now more desirable, five years from now. So it's it is hard, and you do have to have models that predict what's happening down the line, I was speaking to a personal skills coach and he was saying, I've references before not policy is to those retired of dog about it. But he was saying that even goalies physically he expects the typical goalie in the league to change as as individuals shooting skills, evolve and become more narrowly focused on controlling the different halves of your body to, you know, to hide where the shot is coming from controlling. I'm movement to throw off your opponent. The goalies will begin to get shorter and smaller, so that they can react faster positioning will begin to mean less reflexes will will take a premium and there will, and he didn't necessarily go on, but he said there will be a natural evolution in response to that because once goalie start getting smaller than, you know, than the players will react to that. So I mean and these things happen. Unintentional? You don't even necessarily see where the next changes coming if you're not really, really deep in the weeds on, it's always fascinated by people who seem to know that this players should be taken in the fourth round. Instead of that player. Now it's some of the seventeen you brought up would be great. Great pitch for a story with Bill Ranford at some point here. He really interesting. I remember back at the beginning, you know, in, in training camp in twenty thirteen Ben Scriven came and he his glove hand he had faced towards the ice. And I believe he also had this while he was with the, you know, the Toronto Marlies in Maple Leafs as well. That wasn't your typical, you know, glove, you know, the, the wedding of the glove facing the shooter, but it was like at a forty five degree angle facing the ice. And his reasoning was that the shots are coming from the ice. So you want your glove face it. That makes perfect sense what by opening night, by the time that he was, you know, subbing in, in providing very good minutes for Jonathan quick. Is his glove with facing the shooter assured. Sure. But I mean that is that is. I mean it's funny, I'd never even thought of that. But I suppose if you're depending on what league you plan, you would learn where most of the shots come from, and I mean, if they're coming for further out, I suppose you want your wedding out. They're coming from directly in front of the net. Yeah they're coming from the ice. That's, that's a crazy point. So obviously, the kings will be bringing in potentially ten new players by the draft but they also have to bring back players who are a kings, fans are already familiar with I Apollo in Cambay I expect will be resigned restart resigned yet. Sounds like everything you did you know what we been hearing during the year about those players was it was going to happen around the RFA time. I'll check in again with those players in the draft cause that could be happening fairly soon as well. But I don't foresee nothing that I've heard it is point, you know, is, is would lead me to believe there's any sort of any headache there. But that's also a among the questions that I have coming up for this. This weekend in Vancouver. It looks like the team, the team wants to be able to resign a Brendan Leipzig. He's in our FA. He was the most kind of closest to fifty fifty would they qualify him would they not qualify him. But it sounds like they've started talking to him that process has begun. A Jeff Solomon has been speaking with his age. They've been communicating recently with a lot of our FASt, and that is, you know. Amidst this time of the year in one of their focuses right now. But if there is interest on Leipzig to come back to LA, if he doesn't think that he could get a larger contract somebody somewhere else. I would imagine that would probably happen. And, you know, those types of, of, of positions, or valuable, perhaps, there is also what I'm speculating on this. I haven't spoken with Brandon about it. He said that he wanted to come back LA. He gave us at indication back at the end of the season. But there is a question about a role he would have to earn a spot on the scene because this is a kings team that wants to go out again. Get younger, rob. Blake said, they're potentially eight to ten players that are going to be playing, you know, basically gonna be rookies playing at some point on this kings team. Whether you know in October for store, you know, April, first, so there is that possibility in doesn't make a team clearing waivers. Would you be Ontario aspect of it is also you know, probably a consideration for the player as well? So it just sounds like that they. The team wants him to come back, which I like because I thought there was some good good hustle in jam and his game. He's got some good hands behind the net. And you know as, as a, you know, somebody that seems to slot pretty well on a league again, that has a little bit more skill and a little bit more speed is somebody that could play a grittier depth role in succeed in that type of role. Do you anticipate guys like Blake lasagna? Matt ROY some of the other players that have, you know that we saw get action last season. Are they are those series competitions? Or are we gonna see Blake lozad in on -tario Rangers? Blake lozad is going to be one of those guys. That is absolutely that we're all looking at that could potentially play on this team is a rookie one of those eight to ten this year. They they're, they're happy with where he, he came in and played his one game spoke just briefly about him with a with, with Rob Blake, but, you know, the lozad question when, you know, when I asked about him was kind of spr-. Board into the conversation just as they saw the roster near the end of the year this past year and how the roster going into this coming season is going to be similar to what you thought the end of the year. Lozad is going to be a guy that's gonna have a chance to make the team, but a probability would would likely say that he's gonna have to go back to on -tario in also get repetitions air, which is great. But, you know Matt ROY Sean Walker seemed to be pencilled in pretty heavily onto this back end. They wanna see those guys with wider opportunities. So there is going to be an opportunity for kale. Clay to earn a spot on the team though, still probably at this point likely to head back to a on -tario perhaps to start the season. But he's gonna have every opportunity will be one of those players did watch very closely training camp. You know, he would have gotten into a game at the end of the season had not broken his foot blocking a shot in even though there was some adjustment to the pro game in terms of, you know, the speed power that he had to contend with, you know with professionals in his first. Wpro every really virtually every report that I was hearing on clay last year. Was I don't wanna say superfluous Lee, positive positive, and people have to also understand that as a twenty year olds if you're coming into the AHL, and as a twenty where you could potentially also go back to the radically go back to junior hockey and your defenseman you're putting up better than half a point a game. That's pretty good. Keep in mind he was somebody that was bumped up run defensively last year because Walker ROY were expected to be guys, we're going to incubate in the minors a little bit longer. And so he you know, jumped up on he's capable of playing both left and right side. And he showed a, a really good all around skill set. And the team you know, even without solicitation when I've been talking some people recently they've been bringing up his game. So I think he's going to be a really interesting guy to watch also brought up unsolicited was Chris McDermott because this was a player that there. Limitations in his game when we saw him in the seventeen eighteen season went back down to Ontario after his end of that spell with kings. And then this past year when he was called back up. You can see some developments in his game. He was better. This is not somebody that I think they're relying on looking for, for, for any sort of large minutes or anything like that. But again, he's gonna factor into that conversation could potentially be that seventh defensemen on the team this coming year. And, and, you know, he eat developed, and he showed a little bit when he came up this past year so kings really only have three vets on defense. We know the blue line is going to be that moved towards younger, you know, an an a higher skill set. But Blake made a comment that stood out to me about improving internally, and I've said, you know, that I expect most of the vets on this team if for no other reason than personal pride to bounce back and have better seasons than they did last year. Any thoughts on, on what the roster will look like as far as internal improvements? Yet, part of that is driven by the trade market, part of that is also driven by. He did team would desire to have the types of leadership players around Todd McLellan players at he is familiar with most familiar with even at the outset of this, quote unquote plan in which they wanna get younger they want to move some of their heavier less productive contracts. And they want to add that, that skill and speed, of course laced with competitiveness. So in terms of that, you know, that when we heard what the plan is we hear that they wanted to move some contracts. You know there are obvious names that come up at that are difficult contracts have right now. Your Cobo, Chuck, Jeff Carter Jonathan quick. But a again, it's based on what the market is what the return will be salary retention and it just doesn't make sense at this point. But again, that's not the only thing from from what I was hearing from the front office, and they also want to have. Those types of players in leadership positions in those that have been kind of those familiar stalwart layers, there alongside Todd McClellan as, as you transfer in rebuild this structure, and, again, this culture of this organization, another thing that was sort of snuck in there that stood out to me, just because I really liked this player was conversation about a second line center and three players were mentioned as potentially filling that role. Carter Cambay Anna Mattio. I really like Mattio. I've seen the team sort of tease him at second line center. He played a few shifts last year in between Pearson into Foley. But then I've seen other conversations that appeared to sort of address, Mattio as a prospect, is he one foot in each camp or is he looked at as a vet, who is most likely expected to have a role on the team. No matter is, is somebody that is still young player on when you talk about those players in amongst young group that they want to grow together. He is. Absolutely part of that is younger than Sean Walker, and Matt ROY. But again, he's somebody that would have to clear waivers, if he wanted to go back to on -tario. So he's gotta go and Ernest spot on this team. I but Michael Amancio. I mean, would you look at that Senator Lott second-line center spot that has been one of the spots in the lineup that has been pinpointed by the team is one that they're eventually going to have to fill? They see a hole in their line-up. Bright there. Jeff Carter had a rough season last year the decision whether he's at center weather he's wing is going to be ultimately really made invested in by Todd McClellan in that'll be one of the stories at training camp. So they have a whole there right now. They want to fill that and right now the options that they have, you know, there's no second line, Matthew Shane option for this LA kings, second line Logan Kapoor. This is a team that has holes in its lineup but Adrian cafe has some defensive wherewithal some defensive responsible. In hard nosed meal etchings to his game, but he somebody, they wanna see consistency out of and he had a rough season statistically before he caught up back towards what he had done previous year as the season progressed, but. It's, it's, it's a whole that they have in. It's not one that appears one that they're going to fill via free agency. Because again, this is a team that they're still probably envisioned. They are envisioning themselves about two years away from when they believe that they can be contenders again. And so the decision for Jeff Carter, whether he will be a moved to wing, or whether we'll stay Santer will be a story to watch a training camp. And that'll be ultimately, you know, invested in, in decided by Todd McClellan, but they have seen that second line center is something that they do need to improve in that was certainly an issue this past year. Again, this is going to be another position where they're looking at internal options Cambay is somebody that they want to see a little bit more consistency from probably a little bit more equipped to handle third line Santa role. But again, this kings team is not a contending team this year. This is a team that you whether you want to call it, the plan, refreshing recalibrating, this team is rebuilding right now. They're going. Be some real tough spots is isn't a team that is, you know, one through four it's not their center debt from two thousand twelve or fourteen when they had Mike Richards on the fourth line. So Nikolai precaution will get a look at Senator. And he's another one of those players that can play both center and wing on. But with Michael Amancio, he just got an improve his skating. You know, his his ability is sent hockey senses -bility to get up and down the center of the ice with his teammates in unison has been pretty good. He's, he's just gotta move his feet. And it's something that he's, he's really been working on, you know that, that's a nother major summer focus for him. That, that is real thrust will be improving his, his foot speed is accelerating listener talk can real quick last year last summer. There was especially heading in the camp. There was talk of all my gosh. The third line is going to be I follow campaign velocity. And it's going to be amazing. And it's gonna offer all this stuff. And I was sort of saying, like, let's calm down about expecting those three guys to lead the league on fire. Now, I'm seeing a lot of enthusia-. Awesome about precaution is not that young. But he is apparently quite good. What are we? What are we what's a realistic expectation for where he fits into this roster realistic bottom six forward? You know, I think that he has enough from what I've seen both in the Olympics from what I've been hearing there is that jam in that heaviness in his game. And he's still pretty good skater that he has the reputation of being a responsible player. So he's someone that you'd be able to, to fit on your, your even as, you know, first year, NHL player into a bottom six spot in feel comfortable with him. You know, even on the road taking those ships against the other teams, you know, top six rolls. So I've heard a range of things, but I haven't heard anything bad about precaution. I've heard the vast majority of what we've heard about him is well, we'll see what happens when we get him, we don't know we're gonna have until he's back over here again. But I also. Heard one or two people say that he's a really really good player. And again, I, I don't meet a beat a dead horse. I at the Olympics when, when we were calling the games, I was doing the games in Stamford, Connecticut off a monitor. There we were watching Mike Johnson. And I were watching these games. We'd liked him like this is a player that was always around the net. He was kind of like someone that didn't have that Dwight king style of play, but was still always kind of hulking using his force and kind of momentum to push players and channel the puck deeper along the boards. I thought he was somebody that really won a lot of puck battles and went to the net. So there are some good hard nose attributes in his game that should translate to that North American style. And again, they're gonna look at him at center, they're gonna look at him at wing, but he's somebody that I wouldn't be surprised to see him play with Ilya Kovalchuk this coming year. I think something that they're going to be looking for with Kovalchuk assuming that he is on the roster that there's no traitor move made is finding players. That are good fits to play with him. They have a history of having played together, I spoke a little bit about kobylt Chuck with Kovalchuk about recording this past year. And in another player that I really liked from that, from their national team of laddis, love gavitt Cobb, who made his debut in the playoffs with Columbus is faster. And I think is going to be really good defense. You know, I think these are players with with some skill sets. It can transfer translate over, and there is a history of having played with Kovalchuk, even though when they were playing on that OAR team at the Olympics, they weren't a regularly on the same line for cork. It was a third line player on that team. So there's a really interesting player. And again, that's, that's another one of the question marks and stories that, that I think a lot of people are excited to, to write during training camp. While I've said it before, but this is gonna be fascinating off-season. We've already got one move with the buy out of Dion for noth-. We've got the draft coming up this weekend development, Kampala knowing that free agency. Although as you've said, we don't expect them to be terribly busy. A lot of questions are going to get answered. I'm excited. John, thanks for joining us. Yeah, jesse. My pleasure. Men always always a lot of fun and sorry for rambling and sorry for an edit or two that I may have given you today. I just swear so much on this. And at like make thirteen cuts here just as I was getting back. We call you John blue? Rosen's Jesse because all games will start at two tier what? Thanks very much. John, and obviously kings fans. Do check out the kings insider for, for all the updates inside news. Coming out of gangs. John enjoy Vancouver. My pleasure looking for to chat with these soon. Jesse thankfulness listening fans will talk to you soon.

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Episode 280 - Dennis Bernstein Part Deux!!!!!

Inappropriate Earl

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Episode 280 - Dennis Bernstein Part Deux!!!!!

"All right inappropriate earl is back to episodes this week. Thank you for the reviews that I've been asking for for. Four years takes thirty seconds to do this and this next guest is the reason why I want you to leave reviews. This man took the this is one of the top hockey reporters not in Los Angeles because that would be about two people not in America but in the world but it's true though you hear him already he's frothing at the mouth to talk about Alex Aia follows to your deal Janus Oak. Yes six hours before anybody else. That's how special this man is to me six thirty in the morning. I got the break that story come on Dennis Bernstein. Welcome back inappropriate. Earl podcast doesn't get any better than this well I. I know I've arrived. When Jim Fox has so miss out for you with Jimmy Mr Fox? If you're less than what she might be nowhere he is right now. He's with Dave Taylor. Celebrating the Stanley Cup in Lubec or somewhere in Ontario just tweeted something picture Dale. I'm Dave Taylor in Westwood and I was so so this is when he was still playing. This is when people will go to west to see movies I I mean I feel so old saying that but there was no beverly center there was no third street promenade Westside pavilion just Kinda hit the scene and I was so scared I had my friends. Hey will you go ask Dave Taylor for his autograph. They went up to them and they say our friends around the corner. He's too scared to talk to you and he said bring him over and so I love David Great Guy I was and I was on the ice when they won the cup. I didn't and get to talk to him but it was great to see him. Lift the cotton. I mean look. He still has a legacy airline L._A.. Co Petar Right Brown quick those guys still might say he is partially responsible for the two cups totally totally I mean D- May great trades back in the day the bringing Carter and Gabric and obviously drew doughty was a no-brainer at number two but absolutely the core the championship teens totally you know Dave Taylor but you never his name associated associated with the two cups them over like a wrestler guys. GotTa come to put over other guys day put over Dean. Lombardi Dean was a really good G._M.. Never put never got over then made the right moves got drew found owl sutter made some great trades wind up winning championships so sometimes that happens sometimes. You're the gatekeeper. Let's other guys go through the gate listen. This is probably the first time this guy's name has been mentioned on a podcast but I hi and complete seriousness was a Sam McMaster Fan. Okay given the environment he had to work faster which was the final days of Bruce McDonnell's financial demise demise fraud fraud. There's probably ten adjectives to so. Can you imagine being a G._M.. I know my friends said who zeal insider I've ever ever had with the kings to hey they want to sign pat verbeek swimming's afraid and <hes> they couldn't because they weren't getting their sticks gloves delivered because they had no money so that's how he was kind of operate operate right with no with no re- renew beyond no budget. I don't think I've ever heard that before no she n._H._l.. Teams get their gloves and sticks deliver the N._H._l.. Is Now maybe not Ottawa Ottawa all right well. Let's get yeah first of all checkout Dennis articles on fourth period dot com correct yet before three dot com always on Sirius X._m.. As a matter of fact I'm going up to Toronto next week. We have a celebrity golf tournament. We're about fifteen twenty eight year. Old players actually going to host from eleven to one eleven A._M.. To One P._M.. Eastern on Sirius X._M.. What my Buddy Nagai Burger from the from the side of the Golf Tournament in Toronto so so you can check us out Sirius X._M.? But yeah for right now since we're in the offseason and might write one more article. I'm not really sure what all the archive stuff for the seasons on the fourth period dot com because this is a maybe the dead zone kind of for hockey right now. I mean you've got the arbitration cases come in or they're already here yeah but there's not a ton to talk about so we're going to hit rewind for hot minute. Go to the draft sure the king's King Fan Yep I R. I root for them to win every game <hes> I want them to win the Stanley Cup every year but I think I'm King Fan who's realistic in their views. They got EFT on the draft lottery. Yes they did face lottery. They got because they wanted they wanted to. They want to Jackie's. I mean they when they were having internal discussions last season about like we really need a guy like Jack too because earl they have really solid B._C.. Prospects but they don't have that elite crown jewel of the crown. They don't have that Kako. They don't add that Jackie's and Al Qaed- may be an excellent player when we come to the end of the road I there's really two hundred foot player. He played in the developmental team. That was an amazing team so he's not he's not about but they needed that one it factor and that's what they don't have with this team and that's why that even though it's a really good draft and Earl I'll tell you wrote it when we look back on this and a couple of years in fact maybe the best draft they ever had because of the quality the top and I love they took a risk that cal kid thirty three. They never take risks finally took a rich would a kid who maybe has some dubious character issues but can fill the PUCK DOC Philip network pox so I really think we look back on it. It could be the best draft ever but if you're a kings fan I know you're one. You're going to have to have patients well. Here's my biggest personal I wanted the kid is Kelly Allie ev you Kellyanne. I want him twenty two okay great I agree and he was the first round. He's a first round talent. That scares me though that I mean other than Coal Caufield who listen when you're gonNA kill me for this now you will cause looking back. I'm glad you would have picked them. At Five. I absolutely would have but I I'm very happy with Turcott. <hes> I call one is fifteen. He didn't go six seven eight. He went fifteen because it and I get it and the seventy two are amazing but their detractors and I was at the draft cook at I'm five six and a half five seven on a on a good day he worked bobby. He's shorter than me so I know he's strong and sturdy and also he's got abundant skill but there's a reason why you get the fifteen because for every guy like Craig Button who said he's the fifth best player there was somebody to say news fifteen or fourteen or sixteen so I couldn't have picked and plus no that URL daily. We'll have to see right now so the pig Alex Turcott over call only Israel is really a necessity at this point. I'm <hes> I think they had the best draft of any team overall yeah they better. They needed one. Why make sure you wanted Huzar Sir Kako and that that was the bummer about moving back to number five that was tough? It was tough because even Turcott is the real deal and he's a seventy eighty point player right. He's not gonNA help you for two seasons. He's in Wisconsin next season and maybe going to give them a half. A season of seasoning the foul season and Ontario he made the team a year from now right so the immediacy that they needed of a Kako or use or playing the free agent market the immediacy of having that elite town just isn't there and it makes it a tough sell when now you're talking about a rebuild like what are you selling you sell them Rosina's Copari who might or might might make the team. I mean there's nobody to celebrate here so that's part of the problem with the with the team and there's a federal like this I get this is this is the first ever rebuild their two seasons of the regime but this team has not won a playoff series since the Stanley Cup that's five years and now he's saying it's two more years that seven seasons of mediocrity or less than mediocrity. They've won one playoff game since they won the Stanley Cup to me if you're it's not acceptable of your fan because now the expectations are much art. This isn't the forty seven your walks through the wilderness. This is like we should be contending and half the teams make the playoffs. So why can't we well now. It's even tougher with the with the Clippers did oh yeah I mean this a hockey episode but I mean Leonard and Paul Paul George and and you almost forget what the Lakers sound like they were inactive green. The dodgers were in first place in the rams into and I wrote the Arkham People WanNa think it was a bleak outlook but it was just reality and Jamal gender who writes for the press enterprise put out a list yesterday. I think an Reykdal the team's not even franchise professional teams had fifteen teams including <hes> U._C._l._A.. U._S._C. Hey the kings rank thirteen with the spectre prominence in melons. He had a behind the ducks and the Fox and I'm not you know if you like the W._f._A._N.. Thirteenth in this market behind the ducks. That's just it's just it's his his the issue and here's a question. Here's what I wrote right. You Know Steve Bomb once this team to win. One hundred percent wants the team to win. He's there courtside every night yelling and screaming. He had Blake Griffin he had he had Chris Paul. He had the Andreu Jordan that didn't work all right with scrapping going onto the next point and now it's it's the claw its Paul George so we're going to try this. What guess what in two years of a dozen work again like he's going to do it again so he's a very vocal very visible owner the kings an A._g.? Just the opposite and I'm not criticizing them right but you never see Philan- shoots <music> Dan Beckerman who's The C._E._o.. Isn't really vocal. It's it's Luke Robitussin Rob Blake right so here's my question now. The teen isn't going to be good and Rob Blake said there's going to be difficult times ahead so when there's thirteen thousand seats filled filled as opposed to eighteen thousand and it's two years removed and you're not selling seats is financial it's going to say hey when it's time to add to this team and let's say let's be positive here. Let's say this young talents coming forward is going to develop into the excellent players are very good players and you need to pull the trigger on a big time free agent the put this team over. I'm not sure they're going to commit to it because the team would have been drawing. I mean we're going back to two thousand seven two thousand eight. I think at this point in time and again what are you still against other teams and I wrote. How are they going to sell call Sundstrom scoring a goal in a four one loss to San Jose in November on the on the local news it? They're looking for they're going to get they gotta get crushed in the media here because they're not relevant anymore and I think it's it's probably the worst city in the world to rebuild because all we care about our on. You've lived here for a long time. We care about winters. We don't WanNa hear about rebuilt. The dodgers might go to the world series and might eventually win a world series carries. The Rams were not super bowl. The charge might go to the Super Bowl like we don't do. We want stars. We want the ticket and that's the thing are back in the day. When this place was assault when when celebrities were showing up when when the gear and the merchandise was the it the kings were the thing that's gone and it takes a long time to get back and you need to sell something? It's just like it's the most difficult sell in the world when you're not gonNA commit and play in the free agency and you don't want to bring into breaks you don't want to trade for a big star the sell it against the other entertainment entertainment and sports opportunities there in the city or you have to win in the city or else. There's just too much to do <hes> entertainment wise you know obviously the the rams are super bowl contenders. The chargers others like Thomas feels the chargers are like a ghost team like but they're good like so the the kings are probably behind those teams Lakers and clippers definitely behind those two dodgers so even just right there six assist sixteen in interest level and then. I don't know if the galaxy can L. A._F._C.. People go nuts every brand new stadium. Those fans are not an amazing. I'm not sure it's it draw away from the king's ability to draw John Sell tickets but that's something that you have to question in this is is are you going to get commitment the end of the rainbow from ownership to go out and spend the money because they're saying we don't want to spend the money or cap situation which look you traded quick in Carter. That's eleven million dollars right right there so don't tell me you could have chased Sharon. You could have well. That's the thing like <hes> and this goes to myself. Being a reasonable fan I have I'm blown away that we could not and I don't even like saint unloading because what they did for this franchise but we've now had a trade deadline Anna draft pass and nobody wanted Carter quick. Well we reported that there was discussion with Arizona for owner defense and probably go scout ski yeah and then Quick Look. Here's the thing I at some point in time earl you got to cut your losses and move the players like and I know that people talk about quick and being injured. Maybe bounces back the two goalies that shared the other forty games that he didn't play last year. There's safer sentences were nine twenty s and I think John's was an eighty eight percent like at some point in time the emotional attachment to these players and they're all and they're part of the legacy than championship legacy. GotTa let it go like if I was if I was plague. I'd be call up Columbus to say look you got these two young guys ned quick. We'll take back out to him. Berg who has done anything who's a Tortorella Guy who scored twenty points and he has about the same salary right take a risk on an an another change the the change the deck chairs at some point with respect to Carter. Look you gotTa Treat Carter where he's GonNa WanNa play. He's going to quit. I really honestly believe that he denied it but I know at least one instance where I've heard where they possibly had a deal and it got scuttled because he didn't WanNa play in the market and he would retard because even though his cabinet earl is five point two million but an extra years he's only earned on seven million dollars and only in quote but he could walk away so you gotta try to gotTa WanNa play but I grew and I know you want value for these players at some point in time the Clintons I'll take the best offer wave Wave Jeff Carter. Do you need to like what will be the downside. He's GonNa go play in Ontario. You'll never play on -Tario like somebody's GonNa take a risk on Jeff Carter because even though his cap it's five million his cash is only seven million for three years. Somebody would take Hristo. You can't find a trade partner for it. You want to hold onto a get that now the flip side of that to be positive of his remember two years ago when everybody says Joe Sakic shouldn't be G._M.. Anymore it took one so here's the thing with Rob Blake and robot. It takes one really good deal to flip the script so that's why when I when I wrote the article I was not critical of them are saying this is like a what if like if the team isn't good if they don't draw is the commitment to ownership there. I'm still not going to even though it's two seasons in and they haven't been in the playoffs in five years. I'm stopping short of criticizing the current regime but they got. Adam make a turn this season. I like to be more don't dynamic. You're talking about my buddy. John Hoven he goes Mr. Be More aggressive guy yeah. I want to be more aggressive because let's check the team that won the Stanley Cup Earl as we all no no they were last place in the League on January first and they finished four points behind the king's last season so what happened look. I know that the coach was a disaster and had a lot to do with it but something has to change the dynamic has to change and if you think you're going to draw fans Qatar and drew doughty I get it. I understand but they've been here ten years. There's nothing new to sell this team on so that's part of the challenge so there are ports here. It's just put it to you earl and this is this is actually today. No I'm close with the players I had somebody asked me like one of the players text me. We're talking about offseason moves like you tell me today WHO's the kings third best defenseman it while as a fan but a relatively knowledgeable van you know I I would say obviously doughty <hes> and then I I would say Martinez Right. <hes> you know I mean <hes> for as much <hes> and I know you have sponsor. I saw clean up the language. It's okay yeah but I respect for as much you know. What has this guy gets? I mean right now. I would say forward okay so on a championship team. What's their forward a six defencemen? I mean on on that scary Reto Perl like that. That's your and we talk about and there's been articles written about. There's too many four this the Stanley Cup champions one thirty goal score right. What did they went on? They were more or physical than everybody else. They had a goaltender who got hot and he found him in the middle of the season never really good defense like who's GonNa play defense for this team next season and look there guys come in. I know people like Sean Walker and that Roy and those things aren't scared anybody they they what they need to do. Earl like for for a long time they need to find a partner for Judy and when we go back to the draft overdraft that's why would have been tended to move up to four and the Byron Kit because he would have the next do daddy do daddy wouldn't plays the rest of long term contract with by they would have been settled here so while Turcotte might be really good again. I would have been more aggressive. One got removed one up. If it cost me of second round pick I would have done it because that's another need that they have so. It's just D- holes that are there. There's just too much doubt so I ask you who's the third best defensive and then I'll ask you this behind that. WHO's the second line center next year? Well I mean I guess us right now. Kim scored twelve Adrian. Mario could be Mike lamantia right. I'm not a fan of his. I'm not a hater second line center. They got some problems that I just gave you. I do see took questions who the third best defenceman and WHO's our second line center now. Those questions might be answered in two years from now but next season we step into this like that's the challenge that's an issue now again to be positive and the other side of the coin because we want to be fair and balanced like Fox News O- or watch out and by the way I must say everyone that I don't know anyone on this show. I don't know I I don't know the the loudest voice the first for two episodes believable the great thing about that show is if you love Fox News or you hate them. You will enjoy fantastic. You don't know how slanted it is. I maybe lookout unbelievable how they got Russell Crowe look like Roger Ailes so much it should win an award in makeup but so so if we're going to be balanced here right so the flip side of that is that could develop into these players. These plays could develop right. It's just that that when you look at the knees like a contending team coming into a season knows who their third defensemen knows who their second line centers right and there's question marks here like Michael Mario ones about Jake camping your second line center like teams not GonNa make the playoffs and that's the other challenge because because the one thing is the one absolute positively great move they made is Todd Klein. I know he hasn't won. I know he was on the other side of the verse sweep in when it kings one and two thousand fourteen but right he's going to command respect in the room from day one what they didn't have it wasn't present. I mean you. I was in that press conference and Rob Blake. If I was Robin I walked out of prison. I'd be so depressed like guys didn't give a shit about practicing or the study habits dust dust around talking about culture. I mean they were never questions about culture. Here like Guidon care about project that will lead to move was such a bad move right. I mean let me ask you this because I know for those of you listen. I don't plan questions. We just hit record and go so I apologize if you don't like the all over the map <hes> way I do things how I do your pocket. I go see a game <hes> staple center. It was against the Winnipeg jets. I said I've never her seen Kovalchuk. I haven't seen play very much. Live and Jardine played them six minutes now by all accounts coble chuck is a great team guys plays players love and Monroe he's because he works out still he's on the bike after games. He doesn't need to do that stuff. What was the disconnect between him and Jardine because I still don't understand one knows? No one knows I know one to this day and I've asked but no one knows it just a personnel. I know you didn't like him. For whatever reason he'd rather play Brendan Leipzig on the second power play right who's not only do. They didn't even qualify do an offer. I don't know because he's not a big. The problem with cul chuck is and it's not it's not an attitude thing. It's not a personality. I think it's he's a very very unorthodox player so you don't know where he is on the ice all the time so it was difficult for Carter and for and for Copay Tara the play with him because he'd be alone in the ice because he freelances a lot. He's more of a rover over and over but you know a better coat. I assume that he's not going to change his style and I assume todd mcleans going to be smart enough to figure out how to deploy this guy. That's part of the issue now so I know that look this team is ability better. It's nothing but for the coach being there some guys like Tyler Toffoli who's in a contract year was really playing for his money got to step up. I think just by better structure smarter coach better coach. It's going to get their attention to going to practice just better. There's GonNa be no nonsense in the locker room. This team's going to be better now. Here's the challenge will the one thing you can get on a treadmill. Angel is being mediocre so it kindred seventy one points last year. Let's say Todd ads at five five wins and Kobe Tar and dowdy better season as another four wins gets into eighty nine points the worst fucking thing in the world it'd be in the League is eighty nine points. I'm scared to play because you know what then you're drafting tenth and eleventh and twelfth every year right it's he so there's this faction of fans that I agree with that to some extent you should suck this year again and get another top five pick but here's the problem earl when you suck and you're the second worst team in the league and the Ping Pong balls. Don't drop your wake you draft fifth and the fifth best player in next year's jet is not going to put them over. So what do you do that. That's part of the dilemma here. It's like do you really just because it was me I would trade quick and Carter. They would've traded already led to fully played twenty games. Maybe starts trade him off because earl the guys in the contract here. He's eligible for an extension. They're not talking to over an extension. So what does that tell you well. Maybe the hoping and that's the Best I think the best scenario here is not going to trade those three players. The first twenty games they started off pretty good from us individual standpoint and they could raise their trade value goes that part of the problem robbed two hands were tied to some extent because the team was so bad the value of the three players. They cratered so you couldn't move them. I understand that at some point in time you have to clear the path you have to clear the money and you have to do it now. I get it Carter last year four years of the five point to CAP head and if you're a scout in the stands are you going to recommend a trade for Jeff Carter not probably not but now this three three three seasons left and if you're twenty games in two and a half seasons so you got to move these players APP because we have all the surplus they want you to do all these young kids now this one train of thought allows talking with one to play or stay about what they could do because because you talk about coupon he took about Pro Horgan your talk about grunge Tom you talk about all these young players Jet Jared Anderson Dolan the one thing they can do what the ducks do they. How's everybody in San Diego? They played in the minor leagues. We plan out there for the first sixty she games and then last twenty games bring up less than one hoping for Kings Fan. Is that all this youth here because there's too many players up front and it's not not defenseman on the Blue Line if you put all those young players in Ontario and the Ol Gel UNDERSTA others than possibly by game sixty you can bring up two or three Mike deduct with Sam Steele a Max Jones and COMTOIS. You saw that last year so hopefully maybe that's the strategy to get to the point in time where you have a group of players the next generation because right now so there's just way too many forwards on this team and you say you can't trade your veterans. I mean what are you GonNa do. You can't wave them so I think that will happen. Is I think the guys who they should have traded already going to be on the team next season. The younger players are going to be still in the minors. We're GONNA get seasoning and then eventually hopefully by game by American thanksgiving. The guy that you need to trade to get off the team will be gone and you can start the real transition into the the next generation of kings. I mean my biggest fear is if everyone is a bounceback season you gotta figure Copay Tarbey a little better. Yes you gotta figure Levin Way Better Shapes. I know that for a fact right you gotta figure Carter will bounced back to some degree. I mean it's a debate that one but why I mean he can't be any worse or maybe he could but I I have a feeling he'll bounce back. I don't know I mean you know you're guessing in on July July eleventh you gotta figure totally we'll have a big year. Dowdy will be worse than last year and Daddy made excuses in a press conference at the end of the season like I was a minus thirty but a lot audits or at the goals. I'm like opening calls. I'm like okay. I watched through dotty play last year. He never made a difference in games. I mean I think he got A. He's a winner like you know you want some cups you you you get used to it. I just just thinking I won't say he gave up. I don't think he did but I will say it was discouraged in. I can't blame them. No sees last year and then having district but they didn't. They needed that coach your guys telling me he's an age L. coach. He's not even angel coach coach. Pete peewee drills were out there. There was such disrespect and now like and I get it like Tom Macon's an excellent guide covering San Jose. He's smart he's demanding. He's going to get people's attention. This is the third coach rob drinks higher. He got to get at this right. He's not he's gotTA. Start getting things right here. I mean I mean what's the biggest movies made it so that you came in here. Let's say the Muslim tread the Mush injury okay. I you know I think Blake <hes> and I just finishing the last thing I think you know well. He was in I._C._U.. Saying if all these guys start playing good next season and they're in the playoffs spot you're going to be in that dead spot of your eighth twenty five games and now what do you do. Do you trade the players you keep them right right. Oh wait we can make the playoffs now and so the fans expectation get rise so then what he did because I'd be honest I mean I look at Saint Louis and yes. They have obviously but they're very good team. You Win The Cup your team but like they don't blow me away with the talent on their roster. Oh I'm not the most skilled team. They're not the fastest team I mean you you had guys like O'Reilly come back from the dead body traded for the CONN Smythe winner so so do it. I'm not saying I think the Kings are going to win the Cup but like I don't see them like if all if Kovalchuk has a better year and I don't think he had a bad year fourth on the team in goals sixteenth and playing time look McClellan says right. Yes I agree. I think I can solve a lot of problems with this team. He comes have a relationship with Tyler Toffoli from from team Canada so great because Tauzin a contract year he had a bad season last year. You call themselves unlucky but I mean come come on drew said it wasn't his fault thousands and lucky you had a bad season own it just own it and now the coaches again from from day one their their ten points better because the time mccown oh absolutely and I don't I don't blame him. <hes> I think a lot of people are turned off on his Edmonton tenure but it's like Edmonton. <hes> you know we get it and it's got doing their laps either drafting forwards and and you draft some good ones mcdavid looks like age fifteen years playing there. He doesn't even have acne anymore. Stress is curing his acne but I mean so I give him a pass on his edmunds and experience. Do I todd <music>. I've covered a ton. I like him. I respect him. He's the best move that they've made. Is Tom mccollum because he's going to solve a lot of the issues that with with this championship with a lot of guys would still rings in their own should be present so I don't know why am I know what happened because like disrespected to coach but he's got everybody's attention. I'm sure by now. Even I'm sure he's had conversations with players and I just love that mov- I really really liked that. Oh I think he was the best choice out there and <hes> I wanNA see grindstone for full season season. I see him being our home. Yeah agreed at it's not a disaster right. It's just that it's just I want everything went south last year. It's like they came from such a deep hole. They had a twenty eight point drop. The teams will have twenty eight point drops N._H._l.. There's too much parody so again I can't. I can't fathom like this team the performances that we show last year like as a group. I can't see that all being that bad next seas I mean which is the skit. It's I think you and the mayor both said you know you don't want to be in that dead spot of light. That's the worst you either want to read bill. You'll never get off but I don't know what you do. If you're the in the king's case I I it just say half of these guys we mentioned have better years years and the goaltending is not a problem no way no youngsters either Pearson's twenty-five Jack's twenty-seven like if you committing to youth then trade the guy and then move on from these guys guys what at whatever price who cares at this point that if you're getting yourself rid of eleven million dollars cap space. I don't keep you the third or fourth round pick from it doesn't matter you have the you have the players you WanNa plug in go with them like you've established that you've made it. You've been very very clear and transparent. A why franchise is going to be the next two seasons move these guys out. Let the youngsters come in and let's see what happens right now. This is maybe a little bit of fantasy hockey. You know let's go well. I mean it didn't happen so but you know I know that with Pinera and it was very important for him to play in a city with a strong Russian community and about two miles from where I live on Fairfax and Santa Monica <hes>. Uh You can't get a better Russian community in the country like almost I earl I agree and you could sell that and could sell it today kick tires on him at all but that I know of picked up the phone but they say that they don't have the space to do it or whatever I mean. I I get understand it. I it's not what I would have done the money because earl he's the thing he didn't take the most money the islanders and Florida they offered the more more money he took less money to play a massive square garden. He wanted to play in a big city. This is a big city with a great arena and a team that he signed on when the team hasn't won a Stanley Cup and twenty five years. Make the phone call like what's IT GONNA take. Larry Brooks got him an interview. I mean that's the point is that that team is not close to contention. They don't have they don't even have a once. He's about agenda really good season for one season like he signed on for not the most money on T._v.. Ads in the same state basically the canes are not pick up the phone and not try for that player when you wanted to use or can when I get it they come in on entry level contractor younger players this guy's only twenty seven years old. He's a difference maker. He makes better place around and and you know what it was me. I'd go out and talk to Mitchell honors people right I go out and talk about what it would take and I wouldn't care about the future look because he's the thing and this is not king specific. Mitchell mortar right you went from toluene. Does four round perks for four first first. Round picks can't do it well. It miserable comes on your team. He's going to make everybody else on that line and that team better right so your first round picks up probably going to be fifteen to twenty to twenty five. None of those players are going to be better than Mitchell mourner right so can you leverage the future yeah and guess what look what Steve Ballmer did he traded five first round picks and swap two first round picks to get one player to sign another so tell me can't be done like you don't WanNa do it and this is not on Blake Aerobic title or the organization. This is on the N._H._l.. Who are still thinking like it's nineteen seventy five right and they complain about the the hard salary cap like really a million dollars difference and you can't make a trade then you shouldn't be running the team and so there's no creativity I mean that's why I say Kudos to mock burs ran for doing that offer she even do it didn't get match because he was creative like we never see and I get it the N._B._A.'s different you need two or three players to make a team? This is twelve men on the Russian. I'm not twenty three. Can we get a three way deal like one one time every season like we had it with Duchenne trade when he went to when he went to to Ottawa but he never happens. I'd like this such blatant blatant lack of creativity the hard cap B._S.. I don't I don't WanNa hear about the hard. Cap You pin guys in the middle middle nine guys four million dollars a year and you demand the CAP right. That's on you. That's just such lack of creativity such let all these G._M.'s as a group are risk averse. They don't WanNa take risks right so as so rob if he wanted to take a risk and try to trade Carter and Paik or player. Nobody's biting. It's like nobody's taking risks in this league and that's the one thing Joe when France talk about it and you hear. These people say oh well the N._B._A.. got a soft cap and that's why any major league baseball doesn't have a salary cap and we should go towards that goes agents say that and some media say that I said it on the last couple a couple of days ago on Sirius X._M.. The N._B._a. with all the stuff that's going on at eleven teams have won thirty. Eleven teams have won championships in the last five years. It's the same bullshit. It's no different baseball when baseball starts this eighteen hundred win the world series every year so don't tell me about it and the N._H._l.. What do we have all four seeds got a limited in the first round by wildcard teams so tell me that this needs to happen? That's what is activity. There's reason there's no activity city and G._M.. Sandra because they don't want to be creative they don't want to take risk. That's the problem with this league with respect to the lack of that when we always get disappointed with the spectre free agent frenzy or the trade deadline is that there's no creativity. Nobody wants to take a risk because they're afraid for their jobs well. I think the N._H._L.'s biggest problem is like I was watching the Tampa Columbus series. There's gotta be a way and maybe it's not sustainable but to Tampa the intensity and the regular season because you could tell Tampa coat. I don't want to say coasted but you know they just weren't used to. The intensity of the play offs <hes> in my opinion Kucherov was not you. Oh there's checking in the playoffs. Oh guys are slashing and I think that's why we see so many upsets in hockey is it's such a and I think I said this. Maybe the last time you were regular season. Hockey's like kiss doing an acoustic concert answered and then you get to that first round or really any round it's like kiss with the full makeup and lasers and bombs and it's completely different and that's why you see some of the better teams lose early because they're just not. I don't know what they could do. Well look gamy. You're right game. Eighty three is very different the game eighty two but the other thing that you mentioned and what I wrote and I've said on the air none of those teams all number one seats adversity versity could handle it. They can't handle adversity because of what you mentioned earl when you go through a season with one hundred fifteen points and you leading scores got one hundred twenty seven points. What does it matter right? It's like because St Louis and I talked to Brayden Schenn in about the type of team. That's needed to win because we always talk about Oh speed skill and youth. That's what this team is. That's what this league is. Training to really you see Vancouver did it during for J._T.. Miller inside Michael Furlan I wanted the kings kings ago. They ain't getting younger and faster they ain't getting I mean that's not skill. That's that's more an aspiration like all this stuff about moving towards speed and skill he goes you know what you need. Both you need a fiscal aspect to your game. Do you need skill a yet to some extent. Do you need four thirty scores on the team to win now. There's one on Saint Louis I mean David Perron scored twenty seven goals for that team. They're not blinding speed. They want blinding skill but earl they knew what to take to once a team like Calgary. Who I thought was suspect from day one not because they're goaltending is because when I looked at that roster like this team tough enough to win the playoffs they weren't? They were absolutely not because there's Matica trucks talk. He's a pump buddies tough but johnny cajal Sean ahead really good players not not disrespecting them. They're really talented but early Senate like every inch of ice is bound for and you're GONNA lose games and you're not going to dominate because everybody is about the same and you have to understand that so if that that goes to coaching right I mean we talk about how great a coach drunk Kupwara's for them to get swept and not handle adversity. That's on the coach because he's got a drill into their heads and whatever bags skate whatever you should be pounding that team the last twenty games not taking not taking the foot of the because guess what guys it's going to be very different once we hit Columbus Game One and it was they had adversely that got hit with it and he didn't respond and all these teams didn't respond because they didn't know what it takes. Yeah I mean I just think Columbus purpose wouldn't think anyone enjoys playing for Tortorella but he has first few years in every city. He's been seemed to unite around his ornery. He's an acquired taste bunker mentality Italian. It's US against them. I'm sure that John Tortorella the two days before the series started like a guy's. Nobody fucking expects us to win. Everybody said we're GONNA get swept you look at. I don't know what it was. I think fifty sixty media experts picked him. I think fifty nine picked Tampa he goes. Nobody expects us to win so let's go out and punch him in the face and that's what happened. That's why I wrote a couple. A couple of calms ago like everybody has a plan until they get punched in face. Oh Yeah right like Mike Tyson right. They got punched in the face and they didn't get up and that happens to a lot of the elite teams who just coast not kosher the season but you know when by comfortable margins and then you go up against that A._C._t.. And they're hungry and <hes> game changes are also very very different game come April but is there anything you can do to. Maybe make regular season hockey more or <hes>. Not I mean I know you can't play like game eighty three in game thirty eight against Carolina way you could do all day. How do you make the regular season more important you? Would you reduce them more games but you can't do because revenue we wanna a hockey has got to go up. The way you do that is to make the games more like because if you had seventy game season like you'd have probably east division each confidence fifteen. You might have twelve teams battling. It was seventy eight seventy games but you can't do that. 'cause I don't think you can do to make it more relevant. I mean we're going to we're going to hear about load management next year where they actually might sit players but we just proved that you can't sit players because he can't turn it on and off like a light switch because guess what table wasn't planning game that mattered to them in January. They were playing for four months with nothing at stake. It's not the way to do it. So maybe you rest players more. Maybe maybe you don't go out. I mean you got to win every game but you know maybe put your third and fourth liners in there. Maybe you're bringing up your youngsters like that. I don't know how you stay general but it's up to the coaches say look. Here's the thing the last twenty games of the season we gotta play differently right and the G._M.'s got to do that to the G._M.'s got realized that they need a guy like you know <unk> Oscar Sundquist who hammered you've got suspended in the final cozy Hammett a guy against the boards they want the dirtiest team Saint Louis guess what they hit everybody every fucking game and they were physical and they hit and they pounded people and they pounded and pounded him. I saw at some point in time. They can get away and guess what Boston wasn't a fast team either. They were quicker but they weren't really blinding speed fast and what happened with Boston. What a Boston get to the cup final because they'd be really good trades? You know people make fun of them when he traded for Joanne's engined Charlie coyle those guys didn't even get cut final so here's the thing is that we talk about trends in the League and Copycat League. We could sit here today like we don't know because coming into the Stanley Cup final. We thought that it was Tampa Bay anointed they're going to win and look at all the skill and speed points on the third line look at how can it be stopped and a grinding team. You know that came in what at that hadn't known high home-ice advantage to play. It's like with a center. They traded for in the off season from Buffalo. Jack didn't want the CONN Smythe winner in Buffalo Right. You don't know what wins in this league but you gotTa know that guess what what do they win with goaltending defense you still need that there's still components and it goes back to the Kings at twenty fourteen eighteen. If you don't have that url you still winning Posey's Oh absolutely and it goes back to trades. I mean Lombardi I think unfairly for him gets remembered for the the Lucci monstrous mess <hes> which character trait discourage a play twelve games but you know what I would call will chuck signing. I would've signed. I thought Kovalchuk was exactly what we needed for that team ninety eight point team that needed scoring at that time correct of course we can a year later go add. Maybe didn't work out but girl you don't you don't put him on the team and then firemen to thirteen gains and put a guy who shouldn't be coaching in his place well if you look at what we lost four one goal Games Vegas in the in the playoffs <hes> you know he was the only really goal score available via free agency. I love the tree and I sat down and look Luca. Danni I last year at the franchise I what's the expectation for him twenty five to thirty goals which I think he could have gotten if chardon <hes> playing them six. I Love Kyle Clifford. I love him to you. Know My love of tough guys but it's a great man. He's a great man. I hope he retires the king agreed whether it hurts the team or not they need that they need some culture. They need that toughness. They need him to mentor the place but you shouldn't be on a second line. He should not be playing more than Goebel Chuck. It was a horrible selection and here's look Deroga- jammed up because rob went into the market saying I'm only going to take who's ever GonNa take the jobs. GotTa take an interim so you get the guys who are willing to gamble to get back in the league and Jordan had been in the league but if they'd taken the time to talk to three people in Vancouver he never would have hired right well. Who else was I mean all assume that you know they still had to pay ciders and then Stevens so all as soon as well we need someone to coach the team <hes> and if if they lose hey not not the worst assistance or I would've elevated stutters but maybe he didn't want to step into a situation like that but thirteen games in earl I mean so that so rob on some of that because he had the wrong coach for that player you mentioned time on ice? You can't do that right you can't did you needed that so he's going to own end you know what rob did own and the great thing about he's owned his mistakes. He sat there press conference manned up and said look. I did a lot of things wrong here. Right wasn't a good season for me and now he's got to flip the bike. Guess what he's got to start getting things right. It's own the mistakes that you made but three seasons in you gotta start guessing right but I think king fans are too harsh on Blake because okay I think Blake with how he left the team as a player some defense. It's still harbor that correct but you know what let's has a performer myself. You go where the money is that you go oh to still America. I think who gets back to you first and apparently the kings I understand you would know more than I would drag their feet a little bit and getting back to Blake. He's like hey they're offering me twice go cop and they went to Bind San Jose but that's where he built a relationship but Tom McLaughlin so the end of the day. It's probably a positive things that we sit here in two thousand nineteen but yeah there's a faction of fans that rob at think that he'd left the team twice so we are and and not for nothing you know. He didn't really go through the pay he he's not he's not a guy like Mike food. WHO's been a manager for a long time and as you know gets on planes and scouts people and and other things you know he was just sitting alongside of a Dean Lombardi learned his license well obviously this relationship and friendship between him and and Logan? They came in as a management team so we'll see but again now we're at the third season by the end of this season. You have to see some trends in a positive direction. You can't even if they don't make the playoffs absence of eight. You've got to see some development here right because it can't it can't continue in perpetuity like that and you just as general manager in any sport. You don't have seven years to get back here and that's the issue. That's a challenge at this point well. Hopefully it happens. I it has for the Rangers or one summer. They've got paren- Cocco and some other kids that you know no one's talked Jacob Trueba yeah you don't even talk about true but <hes> so I think you can rights accelerated as New York yeah they were saying we wrote the letter the letter and now going to rebuild. Well guess what the rebuilding expectations are much much higher than they were just two months ago well. That's what I would have kept phenomena. Enough to be completely on you know all you here's he sucks he's too slow. He can't play in this league but less personally on the fan of his but be that as it may <hes> if he does suck he's going to help you get a lower pick or higher. Pick X so like I'd never understood like get rid of this guy <hes> <hes> well. I know when he signed them right but like if he's that bad which I don't believe he was as the game pass them by it probably has in in terms of the quickness but <hes> but he was really look for all the stuff that was said about him early in his career in Toronto and it really basically in Toronto he was professionally. He always had time for the media. Eh from one incident. He mentored the kids well. They learned from him so he was a class act. So it's something around but again the finances I get the buyout I understand it. They wanted to younger different direction so if he blocked the Matt Roy from playing next season. You can't have that happen at this point morning time because by the time you're good again. He's going to be thirty six years old so I get it. I understand it so I I understand I zero problem with that. I think it was the right thing to do. Their personally I would have bought out Jeff Carter but that's the story from the time but I have no problem with that because they had to move on and they had the death of defense. Even though it's not quality you have to get these other kids who are twenty three twenty four years old a shot but to me run <hes> Dur- Z. and Walker <hes> McDermott lesser degree although I I don't see him being now not like if they can't directly who they they pretty damn look out in front of the fans at the state of the Union last year. I never got never saw the light of day so there's it's tough you know look. There's an old saying like prospects are cool but you know Pareja Cooler and championships a cooler so it's great that and I know that there are some fans are excited about the process that they have which there are some coming absolutely that the system is not bear here we could be having an entire different conversation twenty four months from now right just that next season is that real it could be a really really tough season again and may from my from my vision I would want to add one one star player here not go hog wild and bring in three. I mean you can't do that right but I I would have liked to see them going the market now and bring in a star but I mean look why not bring Joe Pavelski right against division rival Joe and suiting up in Kingston uniform. You Kidding me seven million dollars a year thirty eight goals he would he would adult up the rivalry. He certainly would have been motivated. Every time they step down guys at San Jose. He wasn't going to Dallas so that that's sort of my challenges that I mean if I'm a dramatic. I'll be more aggressive because I don't have the luxury of time well I would have. You know I'm all about experimenting I would assigned Furland and not SINAIA follow. He just doesn't and do it for me. Okay now. I'm comic. So what the hell do I look. Here's the thing the thing about I follow is improved his goalscoring last year but again. It's all all this tinted by the fact that the Jardin was a coach so it's really hard to tell so let's see how he functions under todd McCowan I follow it would be a great third line left wing absolutely yeah no but he was on the first one and guess what he agreed chemistry Copay Tarin and and and and Brown and they love playing with him because he cleared a path he was aggressive. He created time and spatial them so I get understand again. If you're on a top line you got to be a twenty five thirty goal guy. He was a nine goal guy. I yeah it's just it's just not good enough. I mean and again on a really really good team. Third Line left wing absolutely solid like he can't be in your top six unless he finds scoring touch that I don't think you'll ever find it. He's not eight again and these prospects a lot. We talk about did not eighteen nineteen years old to twenty twenty two twenty three years old so there at the end of the development art and at the beginning so that's why they're looking at a kid like Copari who's what eighteen nineteen years old they gotta look at these younger plus because the guys that they have in the system right. They are all the grunge from twenty one twenty two years old. He's not GonNa he's not going to be twice as good in two or three years. He's probably the level is going to be and you you mentioned whole shop and I agree with you. That's comparable so again if he's on a third line or second line gets twenty goals then yeah you got something so yeah. It's it's not doom and gloom for me. It's just that it's just the just the aggressive they're not aggressive enough to get an another elite player in here. That's my one. That's my one disagreement with with a rebuilt because of what I mentioned not only that there isn't one in the organization but you really need a selling tool the sell this this is rebuilt because if you because what happens are on we talked about this you know what goes on with these other teams in the system like you know it's like what are you selling here. I mean every other team has star players these have to and I consider co Petar undoubted star players the booth the franchise for ten years like what's the cell right now. What's the sizzle? There's no there's no sizzle is know what that it does is the marginal fan right that might go to a game if he has one hundred dollars of spending a game. He's not coming to a kings game. The hardcore fan that's going to be here like you is going to buy tickets going to be there. Every day. You can't change those people away and that might be told thirteen thousand but twelve or thirteen thousand that means the six thousand empty seats and that's a challenge. That's an issue and again it goes back to well. There'd be a commitment if there's multiple seasons like that and they had that sellout streak in quotes they kept going in. They finally waved the flag the season on that. That's the problem. Is that when you when you when you sell a rebuild without a star player at the top that's going to take this team to the next generation like the Marshall Fan is not going to be not in this town and not going to be interested well unfortunate coach. I agree with everything. You just said. I mean it's there's very few name star players who you could bring here. I mean you're not gonNA get ovechkin. He in the in the fantasy hockey world he would be go. Get Him <hes> Oh you know because he is a name marginal hockey fans probably know Malkin pot you know he's got the personality of Dolph Lundgren and universal soldier. I don't know what you could ovechkin. You could put in the commercial out here SCIENC- a <hes> <hes> but that's what happens P._N._B.. Linda Cohn every night yeah be great. That's not happening <hes> if it was if it was jack us it's it's doable acceptable. Oh a Jew. I didn't even know he was Jewish. No I'm not like I'm Jewish so Bernstein definitely definitely one hundred thirteen percent Greek there but if you didn't have sponsors I carry this but like yeah a huge would have been great that could've sold because L._A.. Has a Jewish community kid he's gotTa go personnel even Cocco Cocco. It'd be great offense that don't say three words but scored fifty goals but that would have been so that would have been settled to me like after maybe the kid it's two years away like what are you doing between now and then to draw people in join the media in Western excitement honesty because down the hall every October November like Kawhi Leonard and Lebron James and Anthony Davis or suit up for you to make such a such a difficult sell I mean and there's really no way to get a star. <hes> you'd have to mortgage chapter team. Let's just say the penguins call us and say what do you want for Malkin. I mean you don't give up probably Turcott and he's thirty. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I mean that's the problem but the parents twenty seven years old and Patrick Lana. He's the thing in Winnipeg APEC Patrick Lana Connor thirty goal scorers. They both need to get paid. It both probably want nine ten million dollars. Guess what one big doesn't want to do that. Make a phone call. What's IT GONNA take Patrick on or maybe you'd have to offer shoot him? What's IT GONNA take three first picks? I do it. I would for him I do it. He's twenty one years old it. A bad season scored thirty goals. We haven't seen a player like that. When you tell me Your Kingston when are we seeing a play like Patrick Lana in the city in a King King uniform? I mean my my instantly went to Bernie Nicholls Seventy glossies. I know that was an aberration go. It's been like that's what we that's what that's what this organization needs. They need to go out and and mortgage the future because you could tell me all these other B._N._C.. Prospects are really really good. Then the three first round picks for next year might take to get Patrick glomming WanNa do it. I would do it for line. Absolutely I M co tournament paying the money and then trade carbon quick and there's your money to pay Lonnie this waste do it but again. That's my challenge. That's my issues that that I've nothing wrong with rebuilding a team. It's just the celebrate is like really tough because it's been five seasons without a round victory and that's probably going to be seven so and I'm not the fair but the famous wants to pay one hundred twenty five bucks and by the way full transparency. I'm a season ticket holder right so I have some skin in the game right and guess what we sat in the fifteen throw last year and all of a sudden because the team at seventy one points in the fourth round those those seats would never be available in two thousand fourteen. Oh yeah that's and and so when I talk about that it's not just guessing its first hand. Knowledge is that were on the in the fourth row where the king shoot twice on the Blue Line so if you guys want to throw shit at me next season you know where I'm starting westbound right so I see that happening. I know these seats are amazing. Why even available Oh guess what Willie does your thirty one points? That's why the available so that that's the tough thing and I know it's going to be struggling and look if kings fans are patient that's great and it takes two years to get back to championship and look as a a fan. You're still paying taxes on the two banners hanging from the ceiling and you WANNA trade off in that because guess what in twenty eleven had I come to you and say hey earl. Here's the deal to Stanley Cup championships five years after that you're not going to do shit. Would you sell obsolete. Ah in the second so again. The organizations don't think so. I'm not criticizing A._G.. And shoots or anybody else because they they stopped the wandering in the desert I get it but now there's certain organizations that don't fall far after winning championships. This has been one one and there have been mistakes made in the last couple seasons that probably shouldn't have been made but now and this is why it's so why the game while it may not be reverend to watch this team next season. It's such a crucial time for this organization because one or two things going to happen those kids argument about Tottenham about on the right track. You'RE GONNA see a path back towards contention or it's going to be another bad season and then what do you do. I said that's why to me from a media standpoint. It's going to be to me. It's going to be really really compelling because everything possibly that could have gone last season went wrong and that is opportunity and again with todd leading the charge with somebody's kids that could emerge. It's not hopeless situation than when I wrote that article I didn't look at us. Hopeless is this some huge question marks and have to be answered in the third year of this regime why remember when we did <hes> the kings of the roundtable and when did we do that August in August of last season <hes> and I don't want to say I was the only one but I was like I didn't talk a lot. I get shy Kyw when for some reason well you know there's I'm probably the least <hes> technical knowledgeable hockey man in that room so I I don't mind listening more than talking but I think <hes>. What were you thinking well? I was like you know everyone. One in this room is giving vulgarity a big like you know yeah. He's our second line center or he's GonNa Start Out as third line center and probably move up to second line center and I remember saying what's it GonNa be like the first time he takes a cross check from Sodano Chara right. I said that I'm saying I don't I don't remember if it was your sleigh. Goal the Great Brian Slagle Metal Blade Records said well. He's not going to be planning char. What's going to be like when he takes a crosscheck from Kevin be axa or or someone like that comb Perenco right or enough to take? You shouldn't be in the league anymore right enough dinosaur well his crosschecks hurt has good as anyone's and we didn't even get to see what it would be like if he ever found a way to get his back better he would be the guy that's nice fortunate what turns what's The because the kings have been very skull and bones on his what is his muscular and and structural so there's issues with with his with his back from a muscular and from a joint standpoint that they can't figure out but the don't and it could be a pain wintrust halting it could be a situation where I'll give an example Rick Nash Rick Nash had a bad back is his career after games ice pack on his back bad back missed games but he played you played through it. I'm not sure so how much damage to that back but there isn't a lot of damage that it's a mental thing in Kansas could get on the ice and play with the pain and fight through the pain and play because he would be the guy and it's unfortunate. That's that's something that you couldn't afford cast it and we didn't see happening and that would have been the guy right so to add him to Turcott and the rest of them that would have been something but you can't count on that now so that's what it all of. They knew they would tell us if you were certain players physically okay. Why would you hide the fans and the media? I don't know because I think it's it's. There's an issue with his back but I think also it's the player ability to play with pain because this looks like it's going to be a condition. It's not going to go away. This is something he's going to have to play with and I think they've intimated that is such so not everybody can do that url because of the man's of this you know he's what nineteen twenty year old player like. It's tough your back heart you try to the ice you get hit by parade on the first period for shift like Oh nope Shit my best killing me. He has to find a way to manage that pain and earl. He's not the only player in the in the League I think ninety nine percent of the players manage pain right. Nobody's totally healthy so I think that's the issues that does not skulduggery. It's the fact that there's a there's a issue that's keeping him off the ice. That's both structural and muscular and that's why we haven't seen gave already which is a shame because that's wow that would be like you said that's a guaranteed thirty goal scorer. He entered our common yep and I think I mean it can happen or at least the kids still remember. The kids are not thirty five year old executives here trying to trying to lead a corporation their kids twenty years old. Maybe he has maybe as the right physical therapist. Maybe we finally Ed Procedure that that helps them and stuff like that but again. It's a maybe and there's just too many maybes organizations say hey I gotta go in with full conferencing okay to season from now. No problems could be one hundred point. Team can't say that at this point well. Oh you know my fear is <hes>. I'm a big Pittsburgh steeler fan. I know that yes and I remember nineteen eighty three. We had the chance to draft an Marino but they didn't want her. Bradshaw's feelings makes it goes back to what you said. If I come to you in two thousand eleven right did you do the <hes> and I just feel like two quick especially not so much more than Carter just as quick as an O._G.. King Right <hes>. <hes> that there's they don't want to hurt either his or the fans feelings of like hey thanks for the two cups brother but like if you look at the long term ramifications of what happened to the steelers basically you for ten years after the fact they went through Mark Malone Right Bubby brister cried start with a K.. Tom Zach <hes> and that's my fear is that you mentioned holding onto some of the players who got them the cops. I mean you want to hold onto quick. Oh no I listen. I love him but being a steeler fan and seeing what happened to loyalty. That's like hey thanks man. I'm fine with Peterson because I want because I know you gotta go. Oh you're busy man. <hes> I want to try and set up the roster for the fans <hes> I'm fine with Cam Campbell and Peterson one to well the way it starts next season. It's not going to be like that. It's going to be quick and and and Campbell Justin can go back to the minors at twenty five years old. I don't know what it does. Maybe he's just a man of waiting until they move quick. I be my help 'cause. I just don't think he's got anything more to learn Ontario. No no he's twenty five years old earl. He's is not twenty one from another organization same thing with Jack Campbell you gotTa Start Planning Because Jack was great and Peterson was up. He was had the same crappy team they had. They put up nine twenty percents isn't John didn't John Allows a year and he knows is it and I mean and that's the dilemma it's like if I'm scouting and I see the numbers these two kids put up his numbers like wait a minute so the team stuff but they were good and he was bad so CPAC. That's the issue again it goes to maybe the maybe you might see a ton Una junk quake in the first twenty games here in an effort to get a move because I don't everybody's going to the Qods all the G._M.'s now. They're on vacation. It's what the eleventh of July nobody's making a trade so all these players that you see based on in some one and look conversation could change things but use this is the team you're going to have come in training camp so cars going to be the default is going to be. It's going to be there and again. I just think at this point in time you gotta play quick got. The team is better in front of them. You you gotta hope that you gotTa see an injury from another team's goaltender farming from a contender or somebody starts off poorly and then robs got burn up the phone lines get quick move and then put Peterson and his well. I would think quick would be an amazing consolidation Dacian prize consolation what what I just said for the Bobrovsky losers. You know maybe Columbus even though they got the two kids prospects in that <hes> you know if I'm the islanders. The Island has made a mistake why they traded for Varlamov one side of I don't. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't know I mean Lou didn't have a good July first. He did bring back onto his late. I don't get that that I would have had jonquet and John Clicks from the area. Yeah sounds from Connecticut and the only at look it was. Let's say he doesn't get any better right in two seasons from now you gotta expansion draft so any of these guys you're talking about trading. It's not a four year commitment. It's a two year commitment because don't tell me that in two years Seattle don't have an interest in Jonathan quick as a guy who's won two Stanley Cups. Not It's not a great comparison but look at Marc Andre Fleury won. Two Cups went to Vegas Expansion. I mean you you see how it's got to sell tickets. They gotta have name brand players. That would be a great name Brian Player so if I'm tracy for Jon Quick I'm saying okay it's two years. That doesn't work out. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA put him and he's going to Kandahar and Philly Brian Elliott. was I mean he was really he was not yeah. I mean championship. goaltender knows how to win big games that should have been the trade issue to make the all these teams that sun other players like Calgary I would've traded for. I won't sign Cam Talbot. We've got John Quicken there because he knows how to win gained seven. It's not just about the performance performance are all it's about mentoring plays. WanNa takes the wind be prepared mentally for big games and Jon quick still do that so maybe not in cow but I think there's going to be some team here at some point in time that might might want to have that entity mean. I would always say Ottawa but they ain't GonNa win anything anytime soon. So what do you need a championship golden going there but yeah I agree but I just think that first twenty games you're GonNa see junk quicken the net a lot because the kings would want to prove to other teams that this guy is healthy that he's not as bad as it was last season season a lot of it was just a function of having poor team in front of him so let's guy we'll start with the goal so it's quick and Campbell Right Peterson and Ontario. Let's hit that six the six defense right so doughty body number one Martinez Flobert now gets good. I guess you'll Keam Ryan who they summoned from San. Jose's GonNa be you know. Not You know that's like a hand seuss Bridge I get it. I'm Walker and in Roy and dirty. Possibly I don't think he I think he's going anywhere. It's going to H. O.. But there's your six that's scary six defensive honestly. It's that that's that's why you pay. That's why you Sean taught on for five years and you get a commitment for five years yeah after two. It's not quality. It's GONNA be tough. It's GonNa be a tough road defensively right so now let's go to the forest. All assume first line is <hes> Brown Kobe Tara follow yes so you know he's not the worst first line in the world. Go back to seasons Brown was sixty point player and copy was what a point a game player I second line is <hes> Compay Carter until two Foley Yeah you know I think I have a great year because he wants that money. He wants that money. I mean it usually happens. He's GonNa try a little harder in the corners I I would I would trade him to buffalo crystalline. Oh absolutely but but just but yeah but yeah look Yes town hall scored thirty goals in this league right he had to what's the season before he was hurt. He had a crack kneecap hurt last season. I don't know but again coach but yeah potentially could eat each one of those look potentially Carter's twenty five to twenty five can't be. I'm not a fan fifteen grey Rishaad. I know every seventh game. That's the problem so but yet but that yeah but that's that's yes. Could that be productive second line. Yeah is used question marks on that so keep going all right so third lions where it gets fun yeah and I kind of liked this third line. If it's grunts Trim Yup my boy Ilya Okay and the Real Wild card is I've been staring at his name for five minutes because I I I WANNA be a knowledgeable hockey fan pro horgan yeah this well yes I I mean but I get concerned that he's already been pencilled in and it's Kinda like well. What about Indian Dolan? I'd rather see I would assume Tom Carvel. Chuck would like his countryman there and you don't bring a twenty seven year old player said on the bench but there's no guarantee because elegant the ship chef in Vegas but yet but that that's reasonable reasonable <hes> well what ship achieve up to maybe the when he's back in Russia so forth line you know I guess it really almost doesn't matter but I will say Clifford Lewis and then maybe Mario Campaigh Matia Amani. Oh would that's rough fourth line. I love Amodio like it's nothing personal but like when you look at Vegas fourth line and I know that that element is gone now but like you know reeves is a very effective guy and Saint Louis role. We'll have role players. These guys aren't enrolled. Let me look CLIFFE's. A role player loses a role player but earl below the the the bottom nine Ford's. A lot of question marks there a lot underneath the three defensemen. It's been a lot of question marks there. There's a lot of babies. There's not a lane who knows what Pro Hawkins going to do. He could be great could be yeah. I know the guy the guy who who came over from K. Jail. He's not masking <unk> square garden next season making ten million dollars. He came up a pretty good but once what's the benchmark he's appointed game player in a cage upper organ so vs half a point six tenths of a point. That's what a forty fifty point player. I love this team to have if you're a fifty point player earl sticking leaning screwing this team last season so you would take fifty point player on this team. I'm not sure it is because again it's chemistry. It's like you throw all these players together that really I mean connor and defoliant play together right but everybody else that you mentioned below the top line hasn't played again like how do you get you know. It's just it's a lot of work. It's a lot of heavy lifting for for Tom Com next well in my fantasy world and full disclosure. I thought when we got Lucia this is going to be the best line in the league. You've got deluged power game. You've got CO PETAR SHIFTING US and GAB REX speed and hands and that line was a disaster <hes> uh on paper CH- it should have been amazing but you know you know Lucci was just too slow look. He was a fifty five point player though he and I know for fact Kobe like playing with them enjoyed playing with him and he was stupid he was fifty. He gets six million dollar contract because he had a good season in L._A.. Now he's I don't know I mean that's the one thing that one thing that we wrote the article is that they were looking at Ayar vacated from Edmonton as a possibility I know that Dave tippet loves metlife a loved them and Seattle if if tip and had more patients that stay in Seattle I would bet that left would have been there their expansion pick from L._A.. He loves them. You want got up. The Amazon made inquiry again and again. They said well look we'll take we'll talk about Harvey. You gotTA take contract. I just don't think you can do it can't do it again you can't do it can't do it so that that's and that's what but anyhow and smart like I would do that too. Oh you want the former four third or fourth overall pick great. We'll give them to you. He's not going to be not gonNA work here. I but you gotta take loser contract. I get it. I understand it so get Kudos to Kenny how trying to make that broker that deal but but that's that's the issue that's the challenge is like there's a lot of like you got to put a lot of moving parts and earl. Let's try to be positive here. Maybe by game sixty all these players do melt together and he find combinations that work you can't expect it game one like the and so when you come into the season with the hope wrote that the players that we talked about elevator gain so the trade value is up to you move them but did you look at the lineup say how is this team going to win games here with the lack of debt that the lack adept a lack of of uncertainty around these players playing together but it goes back to Saint Louis and once again. I'm not even coming close to saying I think the Kings are going to win the Stanley Cup this year but like I don't see Saint Louis that mind blowing a team they played well together Robert Bore two-zone who's own car gunnison on the Blue Line. Yes so a lot of journeymen and Shin wasn't exactly in great stirred team now which was really yes Schwartz. I think they traded for shed. What's really good but he found like suncoast found a semi blade gin? We'll get into physical player like people thought that like this is just about skating and skill and speed. It's not it's not watch the Games again like maybe get you into the postseason again. You'RE GONNA flop. If you don't have a physical aspect of your game. You'RE NOT GONNA win a playoff games. It's as simple as that. I think that's what G._M.'s have to wrestle with at this point which is why I wanted the kings and maybe they did. I don't know I didn't hear them in Furlan match and in the same but like he's to me the the perfect winger each scores forty points knuckles goals points yeah. He's very physical. I mean at some point you're going to need in. Maybe grunts terms that this person that Brown's is bodies got such a breakdown at some though he had some issues challenge shoulder and stuff like that but he's he's not breaking down yet. He really good seasonal. Oh absolutely he still he still gonNA hit people. He's going into slot risks lots of really good. It's really kind of <hes> people Kinda underplays Ra- shot he could school goals still. I mean Kobe tarpon plane great together but yeah but you look you mentioned like what are the Kings do. Did they talk about Furlan. Let's remember who they did son Martin Frick Kim Ryan Mary Kemba. What's Martin fricks do because I don't think a lot of King fans myself included no a tremendous amount about about him? He's he's a skilled European Ford who couldn't didn't really make Detroit I he's I think the the two way deal I assume he I I don't he might make the team as an extra forward. I think he's probably GonNa Start in Ontario Tara. I'd management mutations and I don't see him. Being a factor. Next season and Ryan is <hes> riot note Ryan played really well with Brent Burns in San Jose Burns and no birdseye personally shows up at our gifting suite and Vegas all the time they liked line. I'm surprised he got away from them so he could be a good four five player but again manager expectations I mean you know like I said your third best defensive right. Now is forward who I agree with you. I'll never forget the one last thing here forward that one game we think it was in Dallas where has ears hanging off. Oh Yeah I'll never I mean the guy is just he's a limited type of Claire and I always go back to the fact that they treated up traded for the draft format and the next pick was Vladimir Tarasenko Towers. I can go back as my reference point so that was even this regime but but I'm not it's just that on a really good contending team Derek forward to repair defenseman and he was your third Pennsylvania fifteen minutes. A night got a really solid team when he graduates up to twenty one twenty two minutes of night he does have offensive skill and he's it's just that he's not that stopper. You need defense and that's IT products. You need your number. Three defensemen should be really solid. If you think you're a playoff team and look he started start. He'll play games. He won't hurt you but he doesn't help you win. Championships and that's the beauty of the draft is every team has made dozens of mistakes. You can't yummy please. I mean I remember when I wanted us to trade up to get Anthony Stuart. No I like. I thought Anthony Stuart Kingston pontiacs was going to be the next grade power forward in this league. He added all didn't have out. I'll go back to the fact that when they drafted drew doughty could address Eric Carlson and they drafted Colton Tuber in was the second guy was gonNA. I'm telling you I thought Colton Tuber. It was going to be our Scott. Stevens is as crazy as that sounds now back then he had it all and then you go back that far. I'M GONNA turn a kid. They gave up on second round pick. He's playing second pair for Tampa Bay lightning now but I mean my point yeah I mean we could sit this could be this could be a podcast in context they've won two cups right and they that that March that forty or more to the desert ended right so it's not terrible I mean there's imagine being Vancouver Fan or a Toronto Eh 167 right in those markets right so so it's I get it. There's a salary cap era the hills and valleys. It's just this team really shouldn't be in the predicament there. If you're paying two players over ten million dollars a year you should be able. Surrounded with talent at Rob's gotta and he started it with with the Muslim trade like a trade and you got the first round pick and so you got another defense you got to defensemen and winger but again the that that one that need I'm going to hop upon it again and one thing I'm GonNa hop on probably until three seasons from now that one elite talent is what they lack here and that's what they should be more aggressive and try to get it in any avenue if it's an if it's a big time trade if you WANNA mortgage your future right look if I'm a G._M.. And I'm three years in and I know two more years of team is going to be good. I'm not mortgaging my future because guess what gear six. I'm not going to be the G._M.. So that that's why I like to see what the spectrum aggressive is well. I mean you just take this draft. I mean <hes> absolutely he's either going to be the next John Leclair fifty goals every year or he's GonNa score seven goals disease. I don't see any middle ground. I agree with you. It's all or nothing but the beauty of that Addis. He's the thirty third pit so you could take that risk at that point like four years ago. They never make that pick this with dean. Never in a million years which I didn't WanNA character guys like the grind should soldiers good soldiers like and they got and not for nothing and I don't want to criticize unity earth because he he finds gold at the bottom of the like he's seventh round picks making the but the seven mile pickets a reason so they might be a good three see or foresee like nick shore Nick Dowd Right. I mean anybody who's the planet. Alabama Huntsville is not going to be thirty goal score right so they did a really good job underneath to get that debt but these players there when they get them. The development curve isn't that high like Nick Nick sure was never developed into a thirty goal score or second line center. Nick Dad wasn't like you go back and look at the draft history and granted the addressing inbound Bottomley draft but even ten a Pearson now. I mean you look back at their drafts. It hasn't been good that they were operating at at a lower level in some other teams but they you tell me other than Judy. WHO's The star player in ten years? They haven't developed a true star player. That's the crux of women they had. I mean you could argue tall follicles. You scored thirty goals. I got him a second round but you go back after drew doughty and tell me to start playing and they've Jackson developed. They haven't done it dean with all his genius his Genus was he leveraged the Greg drafting that and funding town the Day Taylor regiments adopted but his genius was trading Carter when he was out of favour trading for Gabric when he was out of favor and put together and broadened veterans like Justin Williams and Robin regeer and and the other stories we never bring up stolen grieve Vishnevsky. There's no way they would have championship with those guys those glue guys they bought and so he made so many great trades but because if he didn't earl he never wanted one championships because he wasn't the greatest drafter in the World Jonathan Bernie I mean you know Dhamma. Saiki Heke was a big swing and a mess although he serviceable a back from now this I don't know he would help but that was that was the one thing I was robbed. Lakewood learn from from Dean Lombardi. I'll take out of his tool. Kit was the ability to make the gamble I make those big traits because Dean did it and wasn't perfect but was close Daniel perfect and without the ability to make those train had the vision for plays that would fit they never would championships Egypt's that was gene teens genus and what happens at the end the rainbow when you stick with it too long and you don't think that some some aspect of speed and skill needs to be put on this team and you stick with coach who the players really detests who never took his foot off the pedal and just ground the team that around when you stick with the two long not be like look to championships in in three years earl you should be G._M.. For Life it should it should be fifteen years before you're you're asked to leave. It was two seasons and they were tired of. I mean that's the whole thing. I'll let the one thing that's kind of stunning is that with all the great things he did after two seasons. He's not the gym anymore. He bought him virtually no currency so that's the one thing I wish Robert go into his toolbox and oil oil called Dean up and say like a how D- savvy traits and at you could say that the Muslim trade was a pretty savvy trade but it's to be determined but take more risk for for proven talent. We'll see the thing is he's trading proven talent for for for prospects. Make one one deal if it's a trade or free agent signing or an obviously for another proven player and I think the fans will be more satiated it had more promise instead of warning about if this player that player or this prospects develop because we just no and you ran down the roster. There's so many question marks ending one proven talent to the question once they understand. I think would say she defense a lot more probably make it they'll. It's going to be difficult for them ahead. It'd be a little bit more palatable for fans. Well I mean I think thank you know the kings of stoldas and get hurt and Voinov. I think God hurt they had a relatively good chance of winning that Middle Cup <hes> of course that's just guessing and but they were they were contenders they you were in that I think <hes> and then you know speaking of point of like I think that situation is is still to a degree. <hes> has left a a black mark on the Kings in terms of you know you had to trade for Aguirre gear yeah. You know it's been longtime though oh no I know but this is this is not like this not Ju Daddy Junior and anybody uses that as a crush bonus really screwed us. They go out and find one and trade for one one or sign one but I'm just saying I think that you know I don't think if we had him now. It's five years out of the League. Now we've four <hes> but like it did hamper but it's not a quantity or that is is impossible to replace like we like if that happened to drew daddy that would be a big hit right but it happened to Voinov and you should with a replace for enough by now and Earl. Guess what we went down a lot. They still haven't why no but it still but you know maybe the security doesn't get made if you know so stuff like that and then maybe we have those picks that we traded for secure. You know it so you know it's like dominoes. It's absolutely one affects the other. If you don't make the Lucci straight you had those pick in there anything Miller <hes> in whatever we gave up for secure I think it was the first round pick and <hes> another another player. I think mckean so you know that love the but but again yeah it's a lot of different things but again that that entity of you know we have a replace Vaughn ever well. I mean he's a second pair defenseman. You can find second pay defense minutes league probably three different ways so that's just an excuse for not being able to execute so Dennis. I go on all day we could. I mean we we could and hopefully we will. I mean there's so many players that you know <hes> final grade on King straps. I thought they had the best draft of An- of anyone because arguably they got the second best center in the draft Chicago. Fans would argue that <hes> doc I think they talking to doc. I think they a they were hoping fallen and but great them with the fact that there's no Kako or us as a as I mean find out down the road oh sure but I think that even a guy just signed today a job at that absolutely at this point in time and hopefully develops three years from now. We're still saying this yeah. I mean I think the second best defenceman in the draft arguably and then it's going to have to have patience because the one thing when you fall out at a to spot one and two spot the one thing you don't get immediate help such a kill players would have been immediate how I mean this is Chicago from twelve to three. That was the proverbial kick in the balls because you are saw this king team every game last year I I saw them as well as you talk about a team that really need a Kako or he of course every team needs there but I I mean the kings really yeah. They don't have a high end that we talked about the last hour but yeah and that's the one thing is the one differentiator is that it may come to pass that kings may have a better draft than the Rangers and the devils but we won't find out for a couple of years. They need help they. They really needed to sell this better to make the optics better just isn't there. We don't know yeah I mean you need starts in ally and there are so few in the N._H._l.. That are marketable to the casual fan Dan here exactly I mean you're not getting crosby. I mean you'd have to severely overpay to get Malkan. <hes> and I don't know if he's that marketable in L._A.. Ovechkin probably the only guy that would be like that would be at the top of the news. Oh my God but you're not getting him so getting it but there's no and there's no frustration youngster either as you can sell as well I mean that's a really good kid very well-spoken. It's going to go to Wisconsin that we'd caulfield. I'm show development the player that doesn't help this team next season. It doesn't help the optics on the team. I mean unfortunately in ally. There's just too much to do exactly and I wrote that it's like this is not natural calgary where a are the only team in town or there's limited entertainment and sports options. We just rent as fifteen different danger by ticket to and especially considering what both L._A.. Teams in the basketball league the N._B._A.. Dead like wow you. I don't even know if getting ovechkin would make the top of the news right now but you know if the Lakers lose start losing or continue losing the broncos growing again. He's at forty games. That is a big growing depauw. I'll tell you that much janice. Where can people find you? Yes it's first and foremost the fourth dot Com leave my my last final spot like ad coms called the the good things come to those who wait is on the front page and you could definitely get me on twitter Dennis F. B. S. of questions. I actually answered D._M.'s as well and some people like the but I'm certainly always there even in the the baron days of July and August on shows offensive some questions so I'm happy always engaging with the specter as long as respectful as legitimate questions. I'm inhabited. Come back and have a discussion with you. SELL FOUR SPIRIT DOT COM dynasty F. B. Morse on instagram. That's just let's take your dog dogs exactly sniper bomber so yeah but force DOT COM Tennessee. If that's where you can find me in unhappy engage in don't give up hope kings fans may take a little longer than you expected but hopefully at the end of the Rainbow Year a couple of seasons will have a contending team well. Unfortunately you know <hes> you lose by winning in this league. I mean you went to Cups and three years top to get there. Yeah I mean look at Detroit. They won for twenty five straight years. They've been bad for a bit now. They're starting to turn it around. Tampa was in a dark space for a while. <hes> you know never got gotten over either earl. We'll get l._A._X.. At the other end of the rainbow all the expectations and Tampa all those great players know championship the One last question it just popped into my head because I became a <hes> McCain Fan through and through I will support them. I supported supported them when they traded Larry Murphy Ken Houston <hes> Rest in Peace Mr Houston what is Columbus. They lost their whole roster. I mean do they make the playoffs. No no no. They're lottery team they. They might be top five team. I mean they signed Gus Nyquist. I think they should bring back Ryan Zinke. I think he's a really useful player but that's going to be a team and they've got some parts. They're still I mean set Jones a really good player <music> but <hes> Dubois he blossomed and that look at imagine if Columbus had picked Yari over to walk and so people dead boy would they be in a tough spot but in a really tough spot but again I credit line for taking a risk and holding aalto displays in adding because that's one franchise that needed to win a playoff round earl it never wanna play around so the pain now there's going to be consequences for make going all in and not having come back and Bob didn't WanNa play there either because in this Ohio and place to live but I credit him for going for that franchise need to do that for the fans sake and so when we're talking I was on the radio I mean I call on Sirius X._M.. All year as you can't do that the defense you all the fans the debt to go in there and try to plan for on and people loved it. They GONNA take the lumps down next couple of seasons but I credit them but they are not a playoff team next season. They might be far away from the plaza. I think that's why I became a side Fan of there because I respected their decision to go talk about going all and yeah we're gonNA chase it and you can do that to the fan. You just couldn't give up. They were right there on the customer but they went up winning a playoff round and the memories of being Tampa Bay is GonNa Laugh at those friends with those fans forever and if you traded those players away you would rob them of that so you can always sell that and you can run replays lat next year of all the victories of Tampa Bay sell Kudos again a G._M.. Who took a risk who when people saying maybe itself he bought he bought in hard but then it's consequences for it but that's the way professional sports is king stick kicking tires on single? He's twenty six to all these twenty seven years old I would he's but that's that's a B or c player. That's not delete got any Gulf. So what's the point. I'd rather see the kids develop and take the time at the Plato's the kids then go up and play a single. I get it if they were if I knew that they were ninety five point team coming in to add Ryan single to that mix absolutely I don't know this is an eighty point team because because when you look at the rostrum you just analyze roster so there's no way I would do it so I like him. He was very productive Columbus a useful blake whose flexible and could play old basically all three or four spots but now for this team night at this point and no no reason to bring Dan marlow right. He's San Jose now no no but they had like maybe there was like maybe McClellan Colin Marlow GonNa WanNa matter the kids. It's not it's not the foam shouted broaden broaden the captain the team. Maybe a captain shocks playing games next year. That would have been something well. I think there's a reason I'm a stand up. Comic not a jam full disclosure oil so loved any Godia when he was here for a year oh boy what he was told blocked shots and take penalties Dennis. You're the best so you are all the time. I appreciate it guys. It's not many people could do an hour and a half conversation about hockey on July eleventh. You just listened to one <hes> inappropriate apple podcast soundcloud leave a review. Will maybe be lucky review plays it. Ain't that effing hard. Maybe Dennis will be nice enough to come back in October September. I'm always coming back whenever you ask them. I'm on a longtime player for the appropriate podcast well. I'm a longtime fan of yours. I like I said that Article <hes> you your most recent article good things come to those who wait on fourth period dot com really was amazing using <hes> and also shut out to the Mayor John Hoven Oh yeah who between you two <hes>. It's amazing the knowledge that you give L._A.. Hockey fans that you give us our fix until we can go to El Segundo.

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Wil Wheaton & Dave Joseph

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. You're listening to all the king's men. The official todd cast of the La Kings. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome back kings fans. I am Jesse. Cohen this is all the king's men if you weren't already aware Bailey. In the La Kings stream simulated versions of the remaining games on the king schedule after the NHL. Put it season on. All last Tuesday night will join me Dave Joseph after the simulated game against the sharks we spend a few minutes pretending the game was real. But ultimately the conversation turned to the kings and wills fandom it was so much fun and the response from the fans chatting on Bailey's twitch channel was so great that I thought I'd make it available for you as a podcast here so here it is kings fans another huge win for L. A. Eight to six over the San Jose. Sharks joining me tonight. La Kings PA announcer. Dave Joseph Tonight Dave Jesse. I am fantastic. What a big win for your La Kings huge to come back to staple center and get a W. I love it. That's right what are you always say. The first game back after road trip is the hardest. It's the toughest one Jesse it's always the toughest one you know that brother and a huge guest tonight wil wheaton hurry doing tonight will. I am feeling good. My man was a sick game I will. I am so hyped for the kings to come back from a huge road trip huge road victory and then to keep it go in here at stables. I'm feeling good was a slum night but dave there's something a little bit off. I gave you my Stanley Cup the other night. I'm going to have to ask for that back. My rooms is not the same. Sorry I forgot all about the let me. Just say well all right okay. There we go. Thanks name appreciate that all right all right. Let's talk about that game. I star of the game. He took a huge hit in the third period there but Blake was out with one goal three assists plus to almost nineteen minutes and two shots will how excited to see. Blake was on come up with a game like that. Lozad would have my absolute favorite players right now. I love him. I love Pro Horgan. I absolutely love these young players. I have so much respect for Lozad specifically because I think what he's nineteen. He's a little kid and ice skating shoulder to shoulder with some of the greatest players in the game. Right now I just he's so fun to watch. And when he got level there in the third. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It hurt my heart a little bit. Because he's my boy. Dave what did you think of the game? And let's go ahead and and reference the entire season for Blake Lozad. He's been impressive. Well Yeah and nobody saw it. I don't think outta training camp. You know nobody pegged Blake Lozad in a in the starting lineup for the La Kings. So I think it's a big step for him and he's grown as the season has progressed and like we'll said he's fun to watch and you can just see brings the energy every night Good Energy Guy to have out there and I love watching the play. Second Star of the Game Martin. I work with a goal and two assists. Not only that but a six game point streak now will how excited regency at Martin. I get back on the board. I think is terrific. Just he's such an incredible story to be unsigned and UNDRAFTED Show up the way that he did. He has not only is he a tremendous player but he fits into the system in the chemistry of this team so unbelievably well. I can't remember the last time the kings had that giant cannon of a slapshot just ready to go every time the puck on his stick And like Lozad he so much fun to watch In My nhl twenty the very first slapshot breakaway goal is scored with Martin Short and I leaped up out of my chair and through the controller down and shredded around in celebration of Martin for greatness because I love him not Dave you and I were at the age of All Star game where he set the record with the hardest slap shot. One nine point two. When are we going to see him on leash a shot? Zad Heart and game action man I. We might have seen it already. He's got a couple of blast this year. That are that are ovechkin. Ask and they might even be dare. I say faster than the shot. That'll basket unleashes every night. I don't know I mean that. Shot at the allstate. H All Star game was incredible. We knew it as soon as it came up. Stick right I mean every kind of let let out a collective jaw in the crowd. There was there was a grown. So you can see it. It's got a different feel. It sounds when it comes off his stick and it looks different when it comes off is to compare to anybody else. That's pretty amazing. Ordinarily I'm not one for carrying about the hardest shot contest but when he took that shot I yeah I got excited will. We've got a couple of questions. One person in the twitch chat and by the way thank you for everybody watching on twitch on twitter on facebook on Youtube wherever it is. You're watching this. We do appreciate it. will Some people surprised that it was actually V will wheaton and not just somebody on twitter with a with a windscreen name but Some people want to know. Are there any other kings fans that you've worked with on any of the shows or movies? You've participated. I never worked with another person who is as big a kings fan as I am. I went to my first game in probably nineteen eighty. I WANNA say eighty four eighty five eighty six that early toward the end of the Triple Crown. Line like that. That was when I started going to games. The kings weren't especially great team. Then we were definitely not a hockey town and those two things man. I loved it. I was like this takes work and like they. This is a sport. That's weird. That doesn't make sense. That's not native southern California. I'm all in The only other entertainer. I know Who I know personally who loves the Kings as much as I do as Colin Hanks and I consider myself to be an exceptionally good company in that regard with a huge fan has participated in a ton of stuff with the kings will. Another question for you We had wondered this a before the game started. But Mrs Steve Bone wants no favorite memory as a kings fan. And Y Ya I mean. It's so hard to not just say the Stanley Cup in two thousand fourteen because we waited so long for that to happen like it's is to see the Mars jazz hands when that goal went in. I mean like that is. I see that that is for me. It's iconic as as Bob your flying through the air right like I mean it's just like it's so seared into my memory forever but so many incredible memories. I wasn't the miracle on Manchester but I was at what they called in day. The massacre on Manchester which was another game on the anniversary of the miracle on Manchester where the Kings beat. The oilers can or eleven to like four or six or something like that and it was one of those those great rivalry games in the late eighties where there were just slime ball after line brawl and like it was such an exciting game in a playoff series that the kings ended up not winning. But it absolutely didn't matter because it was just so much fun. We've got a question here from Queens. Andrew who sang the national anthem tonight and did a phenomenal job. That was amazing. She wants to know if we could build a perfect kings team with any kings players past or present. Who WOULD YOU PICK? I'M GONNA go ahead and limited to one line. I'll start with the goalie to make it easy on everybody. I'll go with Jonathan quick. Dave why don't you handle the defense and then we'll if you can give us three forwards sure defense. I would have to say Rob Blake and drew doughty. Safe Apex will how many forwards out of all the fifty some years of kings sake We're GONNA Center with Wayne Gretzky. Of course and as much as it pains me to break up the triple crown line. I think we're GONNA put Dionne on the wing and I want an I. I think I'm GONNA I think I'm GonNa Kotaro in the other wing. Even though he's naturally a center yeah I know the correct answer is Luc Robitaille Luc Robitaille Right. I'd like to resubmit my aunt all right. Well we'll allow you one molecule break dancers rogue Tai and DIONNE centered by Gretzky. Obviously everybody knows that I'm on. What is silly? I mean that that's what kind of more on wouldn't know the answer to that. Now they will hand wants to know. Do you play hockey if so what position I did. I played all through high school. I was goalie. I played in Burbank. at the quick and I played street hockey almost everyday All through my teens and well into mid twenties. When I was in my twenties I was playing it as a dad with my kids so I wasn't playing as aggressively as I did win when I was playing with my friends in high school But I love it. I'm I am not in really the super shape these days. I'm not in Great Cardio Shave and I have a hip injury. That just does not want to heal But I miss it. I miss it all the time. I'm runner now so I'm getting the Cardio backup I'm no Darrell Evans. I don't think any of us are but But but I miss it. I miss it all the time and I every time I go by Pickwick I I get some fond memory of having played there. Dave played collegiate hockey and still play. What position were you I play defense and I just have a question for will will. Did you ever play against Jesse's team roller hockey from the garden? Grove Hockey League there. If we listen if we were GONNA play Garden Grove yet to be on the traveling team. Good enough for that. I I was I was I was sort of the lower division. I was in kind of like the everyone gets to play division. That's that sounds a lot like miters adopt bronze levek directly but apparently rookie with NHL. Ninety four controls the name. Yeah will you said you played goalie any goalies from King's pass that you're particularly fond of Kelly ready for life man. I was the biggest fan. I did not need to wear a blue headband. Under my helmet. But you know that I did and I wear number thirty five because I felt number. Thirty five was likely going to be the next number for a kings goalie numerically. Because he had rudy and then you had mcsorley with thirty three thirty four doesn't feel like a red like a good goalie number to me Just doesn't it doesn't look right auditors in me so I took thirty five. Although I'm if you ever see I think Byron wore number thirty four but sorry go ahead if you ever see me at Staples Center a few years ago the Kings did the cruelest gift for a season ticket. Holders where we got these sweaters that are like king sweaters with the Stanley Cup across the back and And we could put whatever name and number we wanted on them and instead of putting a kings player number online. I put my number. My name is so every now and then you'll see me at staples wherein that there you go kings go ahead and Philip that chat on the twitch channel again. We want to thank everybody listening on Youtube on twitter on twitch on facebook all across the platforms. Let's go ahead and talk about these real games. That have been taking place over the last month. Or so. Dave I asked You During the third period. Who Do you thought was a leading the team in scoring since the eleventh of March since the eleventh of March Martin Burke with that would be the correct answer? That is correct in games against Anaheim Montreal Boston Vancouver Arizona Dallas Nashville St Louis Chicago and San Jose. I'M GONNA have to do the math real quick in my head. Mannheim three against Montreal four five six goals. Eight ten twelve hundred. A lot of assists Martin for going. Leading the way Andrzej copay tar just right behind him nipping at his heels leading this rush to the playoffs as John Rosen mentioned during the second intermission Tracy wants to know. Well how many jerseys do you have? I probably have close to a dozen I have see leftover from the old days. I've got the mcsorley that I'm wearing and a rudy from the Stanley Cup. Run in ninety three and a berth. Theo from probably ninety or ninety one super deep gut. I was going to go. He said I thought he was great. I still have my Dave Taylor's from when I was in middle school while I am way too big for it now and then and then modern jerseys. I've got a Carter. All Star Jersey Copay Tar with the assistant captain obviously have to have a Bailey Jersey My Clearly and then I love hockey teams. Don't exist anymore. So I have a Gordie Howe her way and and I have a gala. Fleur Quebec Nordiques Jersey. And I love where those out the staples because The people who actually see those inter- like Oh man like especially I don't know who doesn't love the whalers I mean maybe Boston fans but like like I don't know anybody who doesn't like have some affection for the whalers as an organization And it's Super Fun to meet people that are that are that That deep into it and then I also have as a Jersey that that from a a place called. Geeky jerseys they made a team the crushers and it's got Wesley Crushers Rainbow Stripes across the sleeves. Got Number Eight on my Jersey because I was number eight on the call sheet for next generation. And it's got a picture and got a picture of Leslie on the crest. It is so cool. It's so cool I love it. I don't wear it very often. Where for like real special occasions but I love it. Was that the company that made the Ghostbusters Hockey Jersey as well. Yeah and I I think I have a last starfighter Jersey from well. That's a level of warmth my office. They're fogging yeah but it's great and it's got on the on the back at like at the neck. It has an insert coin patch. I I don't I I'm not I'm not I I don't I'm not in a business relationship with them but I will endorse the hack dot com. They make a really cool stuff they do. And you mentioned the first. Is You ever got in junior high? This one right here behind me is my. I got in junior high. It's a Lou groza place with this guy that I'm sitting on assets. Great What about you any kings jerseys? That fans would be insanely jealous to know you have. I don't have any to be honest with you but my wife has a bunch probably fifteen or twenty in the closet and there are drew doughty and Jeff. Carter's in Luc Robitaille Rob Blake. You name it. It's in there. And There's The Fiftieth Anniversary Jersey. And there are some all star jerseys and yeah. She's got a pretty good club. What about them when I see number forty four Joseph over your right shoulder that's This one over here yeah. That's the one that one is a That's from fantasy camp a couple of years ago okay. La Kings fantasy camp. Yeah well fantasy exactly. That's so cool. I don't know if the fans are jealous but I'm jealous and I will say we'll you should come out and be a part fantasy camp. There's a lot of fun. I'm not good enough to do that. I if I could play you could play but we. I'm pretty sure I just pulled my hamstring thinking about it and I feel like I dislocated a rib. That's pretty much what I do. Oh so I was in charge of the Alumni Association for a couple of years so I had to had to bring in a lot of the alumni back into town for Venezuela so they let me be a part of the fence you campaign it was. It's a it's really a great experience. Campers have a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun that alumni that. Come back up a lot of fun so it's it's a blast Blackford for three days or days. We'll just the coolest thing I wanted to take advantage of view being here. I won't Pester you with too many questions about your career but I will say. Obviously everybody knows Stand by me Star Trek the Big Bang theory but I was looking down. Imdb page a ton of voice work a ton of you know guest appearances and everything but is there one one role that fans more frequently. Come up to you and say you know. Throw a line or or quote or say that depending to the to them started. It depends like I could live at the center of Ven Diagram of a Stand-by Minister Trek in the Big Bang theory. Believe you know. And it's just not just never really know where I'm going to be in those overlapping circles at any given time It really depends honestly on kind of like what's been on TV most recently Before we had things on demand I could tell that like. Amc had run stand by me because a lot of people would come to me and talk to me about it. And I would know Obama. Just seen it on cable Same thing with Big Bang theory of one of my episodes is on Than it tends to sort of go up in in in public a little bit more. I have to stories about that that I think are entertaining. One I was in San Francisco and my wife and I were waiting at a red light and a fellow jogging by any jog by any looked at me. And there's a look that people get and I can tell right it's that I do i. I see that happens all the time and I'd say about half the time that person comes back and says I feel like I know you don't know where from where did you go to high school. They think we went to school together. 'cause I was on their TV when they were in school. Like that's sort of like kind of what happens but this guy goes do a big bang theory and I go I do and he says you play. We'll wait another big bang theory and I do. Actually I don't know your name tastic that's great and then. I was in Canada. I was working in Canada on a show called Eureka. Show that I love that. I am incredibly proud of and I was had a day off and I had to go by some jeans so I went down to The Hudson Bay Company to by some jeans and I walked out of the store and I got back to my apartment and I saw that the A little security tag thing would still on the genes in the alarm to go off so I gotta go back and get zero off so I walked back and I'm walking to the store. Everybody is looking at me like I have a second head growing out of my neck like everybody's looking at me and I'm like what did I do and I get really? I've a ton of social anxiety like generalized anxiety disorder so. I'm starting to get really freaked out and I think they stole these eighty in jail because of this stuff and I take it back up to the right I take it up to the counter and the woman helping me says Oh. Hey I saw you on the Big Bang theory last night. I didn't know that it had aired the night before on C. TV. So people receiving the and going. Oh that's the guy that was on my TV last night. All it did was absolutely terrified. Me and make me think that I was going to candidate jail. But everything down there but if you had. I'm sure it'd be a super nice jail. We're going to get two more questions people on twitch. WanNa fill up that chat with more questions. First one is Somebody wants to know who we think. The next prospect to sign is obviously A. I'm blanking on his name. Madden whatever man's for his name is Tyler Madden? I think right because we already have to trevor's on the Tyler Madden. We can't we can't have a third travel tyler in the travers mixed up in my head but he just signed a three year entry level contract very promising young player. Dave any thoughts on who might be the next young player duets. Join the Kings either from college or from Europe That's a good question. I don't from Europe. I don't know I would have to say it's probably a college player. I I don't WanNa go out on a limb and and pick one guy especially against the N. Weeden coming by to say hello and we need to come floor. Confetti for the Kings Win Now. I think I'll jump in and say hello to you. Say I think call halts is probably the next one from Penn Slowly? Yeah defenseman at the collegiate level at NC Double A. Lots of promise. John Rosen has been talking about the fact that he'll probably come out and join the team at the end of the season. Unclear now when that will happen but appears to be you know maybe not NHL ready but very close to it. Yeah when is the end of the season? We know we don't on out we do not know. Everything's been posting die. Think today earlier this morning. Toronto even the banned all public gatherings until the end of June. So who knows what's going to happen. There will be a question from Karen. Says she enjoyed doing the ready room. Did you enjoy doing the reading room? As much as it seemed. She watched six episodes before she started. Picard she says her younger show. True enhanced. The experience like your wife. She was newer to Star Trek. So she says thank you. Lots of as much fun as it seemed okay. That's super kind and that means so much to be thank you. My wife is not a star Trek. Fan She is not a science fiction fans. She is a kings fan but she is not a science fiction fan at all when I was hired to do ready room the after show for the Picard show a gave me links to secure links to watch episodes early so that I would be prepared so I asked if she wanted to watch with me and she has heard me talk about Patrick and and all of the Star Trek people she knows the Star Trek cast. They're they're my family so she she knows all of them but she's not a big fan of of the show and she fell in love with card and that was when. I knew that this show was gonna be something incredibly special three episodes and she was like. Can we watch the next one can watch the next one and And I love that so I had that in my mind when I was doing ready room. I thought there's a lot of people watching this who aren't star Trek fans the way. I am a star Trek Fan and I think that it's very important that I make this program accessible to all of those people and make it possible for them to to to be included in the fandom celebration of the show and it means so much to me that that you've got back from it and that you enjoyed it on thank you for watching I don't know if we're going to do more. We haven't talked about it yet. Obviously everything in the world is kind of up in the air at the moment So I don't even know what their schedule is when it would happen. A typical follow pushing tests to be. Would you do it again if they asked an old boy would i? I have APPs I have absolutely loved it. We've got another question here They WANNA know if there was a player that you were starstruck or nervous to meet. Dave will start with you any player. That a sort of caught you off guard Y- well. The obvious answer is is the greatest ever Wayne Gretzky. First Time I met Wayne Gretzky it was kind of wow. Was that really him while. That's really him? This is really happening right now. Oh my God what am I gonNa say? And that's really in a nutshell in what felt like two minutes probably went by in about five seconds in my head Just amazing to meet the guy and then he couldn't been a nicer more. Humble guy was super nice and just awesome awesome guy and how well I have to experiences. I got to actually. I've had three experiences. I get to meet Kyle Clifford and that was super cool. That was only about three years ago and I were flying home from. I WANNA say Toronto and I saw the spell on the plane who looked super familiar to me. And I sent the. That's one of the kings and And I and I just and I looked him up on my phone. And I texted Bailey. And said his co. Clifford. Nice 'cause I don't want to introduce me to somebody if they're not nice and he says he's for the coolest people you'll ever meet in your entire life. Their son was with them. Their son was just walking and and I address myself to them and and try real hard to keep it together and I think I probably slammed him a little bit But then we took selfish when we got to the airport so that when we landed at. Lax that was super cool. I have a wing grits story also of I I still can't believe I got I got to meet him I actually met Wayne. Right after I met Gordie Howe I was I was working out. I was just. I was working out in in an afternoon open skating session at the Pasadena. Ice Rink and Gordy. Howe came in because he was taking some photographs for something and they just wanted him on a hockey rink. So there's Gordie Howe in red wings year standing on rink that I practiced in three times a week and I had one of my goalie sticks with me and I and I skated over to him and I said I'm just a huge fan. Would you sign this for me? And he said yeah absolutely any grab dependent signed Gordie Howe. I took that stick when I met Wayne Gretzky so I was I was I was working at paramount and Arsenio Hall. Had his talk show on the same lot where we were doing. Yeah exactly where we were doing. A star trek so I was in a ton of weird makeup for this particular star. Trek episode was. I was only this day. We are filling me in the holiday and if anyone out there is a fan of next generation maybe you remember Barkley. Putting all of his versions of the bridge crew in the hollow deck and he put Wesleyan holiday eating a bunch of blueberry pie and dressed like a gainsborough's painting the blue boy so I had rouge on my cheeks and and my my hair was all back on all that. The publicist for next generation comes over to me and says Wayne Gretzky is the Arsenio Hall show. I know you're a hockey fan. Do you want to meet him? I happened to have my Goldie gear in my car because I was going to practice after work so I go yes. I run to my car and get my goalie stick and I come running back. I'm still enfold blue boy gear. I look I have stepped out of eighteenth century painting and I go over the radio hall show stage and there I am. That's how I met Ryan Gretzky looking like the blue boy holding a goalie stick and had for words like I mean you know. He's Wayne Gretzky. There's there is there is no there is only one there will. There will never be another hockey player like him. We are players that come close. But there's never going to be another Gretzky. It's just not possible. And he looks at my stickney. Goes You have Gordon Autograph. That's and I go and I go. I know thank you. Do you want me to sign the other side and I go. Yes so that stick is signed by Wayne Gretzky and Gordie Howe and Daniel. Berthier lab because I was such a big Fan. That's that's just that's my. That's my Wayne. Gretzky story quintessential one of these things is not like but will I know you also had a chance to try your hand at coaching specifically the mascot game at the All Star game. What was ally Yup? It was amazing. I am undefeated behind the bench posted. I coached the the. The Western Conference Mascots To a victory over the the east coast I put Bailey out for a penalty shot. Where the end of the game? I can't remember how that played out. but I believe that EM- hometown boy hometown hero always brings his a game. Loves TO BE LOVED TO BE ON THE ICE A tremendous competitor and and. I would not change a thing about that game If I could go back and do it all over again. Very proud of the of everybody out there even wild wing trevor. Nine wasn't if you ever got a chance to play against Keanu Reeves. I never did. I always wanted to there was a there was a hot minute where I got to play with a traveling celebrity team. I don't know how I got on this team. But I play the team with Alan Thicke and Jason Priestley and Michael Rusi Yoni and Jim pray and We went to Chicago and took slap shots from Stan. Makita like it was crazy This would have been around. Nineteen Ninety nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine hundred ninety one. We just travel I. I got to play in the Boston Garden. I got to play at reunion arena It was really really fun. I always felt like I wasn't I always felt like I didn't deserve to be there. I always felt like I wasn't as good as these guys was as famous as these guys. it was the way that my mental illness and anxiety expressed itself at that time. And I I wish I could go back and just enjoy the experience and not feel like I had to earn prove anything to anybody but I was only eighteen or nineteen years old. And like you know we were before we came on the air. I was talking about how how much I I respect. For Organ for being as young as he is and playing at the level that he is playing in a country where he doesn't speak the language like it's crazy just how the amount of pressure and the and the and the expectations and I know from being a child actor sort of what. It's like to be a child athlete. Just what you have to sacrifice to be playing at the level airplane at at nineteen years old blows my mind and I hope that kings fans appreciate What we are getting to see right now with these young players. These new players rookies the rain players. Who are coming up to the NHL. Who are kidding to play for the very first time in the big leagues. These are the guys that are going to win a Stanley Cup. The next the next Cup we get. It's going to be on the backs of these guys. Getting to see these guys now and know what they have sacrificed to be not even five steps into the journey toward the Stanley Cup. I just had such tremendous respect for them and I'm just so grateful that we get to watch them and entertained by them so often naming Dave and I get to see it all the time We'll take more than I do. But we had to rein games you've got Bjorn foot and coup Pari and Ceuta grand right. All these nineteen eighteen year old kids coming over like you said the language barriers there the cultural barrier. You know they have to figure out how to get an apartment how to buy a car pay for car insurance you know unadapted culture and grown men. Yeah I mean they've got to go out there and plaguing sportin who's played longer than they've been alive. That's right it's just. It's it's incredible to me like it's it's I remember. Jim Fox saying on a broadcast. The kings were just getting killed by somebody. I had. I mean pick any other team. They were getting killed by somebody This season I remember foxy saying like it's talk to watch these games. But what an exciting time to be a kings fan like we are investing the payoff when the kings make the playoffs. The payoff when they go to the conference. Final is going to be so huge for those of us that are that are watching these guys mature now. Like I remember when the Kings didn't win against Montreal nineteen ninety-three. I thought that was it. I thought that that that was the one chance. This team had mortgaged. Everything on on those skaters and we couldn't get it done and I was like it's never going to happen again. I know how felt two dozen twelve if you're just becoming a kings fan now you're gonna you have something really special ahead of you. Yeah it's I'm always sort of jealous of kings fans who got on the bandwagon in two thousand twelve or two thousand thirteen and got their first experience. Watching hockey was seeing those winds seeing those incredible teams that were for two or three hundred. Probably the flagship franchise of the NHL and didn't have to sit through. Twenty miserable heartbreaking years of of this non call. Yeah exactly but I think we're going to wrap it up there. It's getting late but we'll wait and thank you so much for joining us. We would love to have your man. I would love it when we when we can be in the same place again. I would love to do that Anytime of the season gets extended or if we come in next year. Whatever like I'm ride or die for the kind of and I I. I love this team. I love this game I love hockey. I love La Hockey fans it's just. It's a great part of my life. It's a really positive part of my life at a moment in my life. Where like I just need something. That's familiar and soothing. And and like like listen. Everybody watching this like we know what's happening in the world right now. We spent some time watching a simulated hockey game together because we needed to be together because we needed to share something fun together. You know what I haven't thought about for the last ninety minutes to two hours that the world is on fire. I really grateful for that I've said this to Imprison Bailey but I'm gonNA safety you on the Internet. Thank you for doing this. Dave and Jesse like thank you thank you. Thank you for doing this for us. Like it's I've been looking forward to this all day and boy. Was it worth the wait? Well with that win Kings do have eighty two points a playoff spot still technically mathematically a possibility. Yeah you guys exciting Dave. Thanks again as always for joining me. Thank you thank you appreciate it and thank you guys. Go Kings go?

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April 10, 2019: Luck Of The Devils

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April 10, 2019: Luck Of The Devils

"Apapa ten nine eight seven six five two forty one fifty to forty one fifty Iraq Peterborough's best rough. Okay. Let me preface this podcast by saying it's going to be a little bit Frankenstein. This is the Mary Shelley edition of thirty one thoughts the podcast because Elliott as we record this first part of the podcast. It is to forty nine eastern on Tuesday little bit later on the NHL draft lottery before that we will sit down with Dale Tallon general manager of the Florida Panthers to discuss what we will discuss you in the opening segments. The hiring of Joel Quenneville as new head coach of the Florida Panthers afterwards. We'll sit down with a couple of GM's one GM NHL people who knows post NHL draft lottery and put that and big that into the oven. Which is this week's edition of thirty one thoughts the podcast so ama- will make it sound great ama- will make it sound seamless. But just in the back of your mind, gentle listener understand that this one has been done. Macgyver style put together with toothpicks and toothpaste and. Oh, forget the duct tape always duct tape. Hey, are you like me that you use shin pad tape for everything around the house? No, I know you shouldn't pets I use actual duct. I just got the Sheni the Shany's. And honestly, everything it's embarrassing. I'm the worst handyman around the house, but we shouldn't pad tape, but I'm solid red green cures everything. Panthers are going to director now announcing the hiring of a new head coach the Panthers wasting no time after a very disappointing season woman says right here with details. Now, the hiring Joel how do you pronounce Quenneville Quinn? He's known your and his lawyers known as just coach q so easy for all of us to remember coach q the Panthers making a big splash with the latest head coaching higher Florida, bringing -dult Glenville or words can't even express. How excited our family is about coming down south Florida across the board. Everybody's elated. This is where we wanted to be. And we're so happy to join the Florida panther family. I've been privileged to coach some of the great players in the game. And it's one of the reasons why I'm here today. Joel Quenneville is the new head coach of the Florida Panthers before we get there though. Bob UC Noor is now the ex head coach of the Florida Panthers geeky surpass what happened. I think quite simply they got the guy they wanted. I'm not sure that if they didn't get Joel Quenneville that there would be announcement of Bob. Buner and that he would be back for his third season. One of the things I understand is that nobody nobody made harder beeline to Joel Glenville the Florida Panthers. Did they targeted him as opposed to Kaga firing pose Chicago? Okay. They targeted him. They went after him. They made it very clear. This was not going to be a search. This was going to be for him only. They didn't they weren't gonna talk to anybody else. If he wanted the job, I think also, and we'll ask deal about it. I think he's probably got some personnel say think they gave him an idea of white. You know, they were going to look like and what they were going to go after he likes Florida. You've heard a lot of jokes about the race tracks. He's definitely a race track Vinnie. Viola is a horse racing guy. He knows talent his last stop in Chicago, you know, him and STAN Bowman didn't see eye to eye and they threw money at him. So I just look at this. Whole thing. And I believe that this was the situation that was primed up bass in some of the other teams, I think there were some teams the through some money at Quenneville to they believe that this was where he wanted to go. You've said before the first thing that Joel Quenneville asks when he's offered a position is who is our goaltender stain for this one. Then if he has personnel decisions who's going to be the goaltender. I hope. Florida's put none of this down on paper because everybody thinks Borowski is going there next year. You know, I mean, I know Columbus isn't really happy about it. And we'll see where this goes. But I think we all expected for Broschi is going to be the goaltender in Florida next season. I think the biggest question is going to be the backup lewanda was made it very clear he wants to back up. I don't know. I don't know if that's going to happen. Let's get back to Cueva here in a second. But I wanna get a couple of thoughts from you on Bob boob ner. I still maintain that the word fair is the cruellest word in the NHL dictionary. I think that every NHL fan every H L person. Should go there dictionary and take the page with the word fair on it and rip it out crumple it and throw it away when coaches get fired the first thing, I always do for each not sure about you is I go look at the goaltenders and look at the percentage of the goalies. And then I asked myself this coach get goal lead. And when you look at the Florida Panthers with no goaltender with a save percentage, anywhere. You know, higher than nine hundred a look at myself, and I say, this is a top ten team offensively deem. It has a real good power play. But this is a team that couldn't get a save. And the defense didn't help. What happened to Bob Buner? Don't think their defense overall was as good as they thought it was going to be especially on their blue line. I think there were some guys there that didn't have as good years as they were hoping. I definitely feel that the goal tending was a factor. One of the things I was told in the aftermath was that organizationally. They came up with a plan Luongo should play this much rotation. Should kind of go that way and Buber went out of the rotation. And I know that frustrated some people in the organization, you know, my response to that was he lost faith in James Rymer. And when you're a coach you're going to go to the guys that you have faith in. It's that old Mike Tyson line. Everybody's got a plan until you get punched in the face. I think Florida had a plan. They want him follow the plan. They knew that Lewan go being approaching forty years old was gonna make it impossible to play as much as boob ner light. But you know, he lost faith in Rymer. Who didn't have a good year? I think that's all true. And. I think that's gonna fix the situation. I have heard you talking about Bugno thought, it was really nice that Logan mature went on Twitter to come to boot nurse defense thought that was a a really nice move on Kapoor's behalf. I think he'll be back. But I also wanted to mention the second name that you've talked about briefly, and that is Paul McFarland who had the league's second-best power play. And a great a historically really good power play. I heard that he was really blind sided he's a young guy. He's very talented. I think I mean, you know, him better than I do. I I've met him briefly. I know him more by reputation. Somebody is going to snap up that guy too. And he's going to help someone worked on the bench and Oshawa with the with generals became head coach Kingston Fronton axe with the Florida Panthers. And you mentioned what he did on the power play. And I know people don't like it when I talk about the gym. So I won't mention that's where I met Paul. But he's a smart guy and a hard worker and good thing. No. I just. Cleverly disguised Amil smirks behind me as well. The same time, I'm with you. And I I wonder if he ends up like we've talked about what happens with Jay Smith in Toronto a head coach impossibility for him somewhere down the road. I wonder if this season if DJ Smith ends up going somewhere else, I wonder if Paul McFarland ends up taking that spot in Toronto. And he is highly regarded around the NHL and his handiwork was on full display with the Florida Panthers this year. So I'm with you. I think the Paul ends up somewhere probably sooner than later because he is valued another question along the lines of the courting of Joel Quenneville by the Florida Panthers. Let's say Florida makes it into the playoffs this year. Let's say the Florida Panthers squeak in and whatever flame out in the first round what whatever ends up happening considering that. They went after Joel Quenneville hard. Was it a as in French Fe at compli that? That at the end of all this if they had a shot at Quenneville, and he was amenable that they were going to get Joe Quinn, volt. Not unlike what we saw in Montreal where Claude Julien to over from shell -tarian the moment he became available. I think it was kind of like that. Now, if they get into the playoffs, maybe we're talking a different story. But it was tough not to see del Talon going big for Joel Quenneville. Maybe if the end of the play offs. It's different. You know, I think if Bugno winds around or two then you're really up against it. There's no way that you can probably make that change. But when they saw this was going later in the year where they probably weren't going to get in. I think thousand percent this was fate accompli. I think other teams tried but a couple of guys told me this is where he wanted to go sort of the Florida Panthers have right now in your assessment bark off. Ninety six points three thirty goal scorers. They can fill the nets real good power plays. You mentioned as well. What's under the hood of the Florida Panthers for Joel Quenneville right now. This is the tough thing for us to talk about right now. Do you think like me LeBron's going to Florida? I believe that it just makes the most right? It makes the most sense. Do you believe like me that there's a decent chance that parents going to Florida between Florida or the New York Rangers? Okay. Perhaps it depends what hour of the day. You ask me that question different answer will immediately with Abruzzi of different team with Panara n-. You have a really different team. You think you're better in goal Yardley had good forwards. But if you've got you've got even better forwards, you gotta think somebody's going out. Now, I would suspect that as part of this. And we'll ask town this that viola has made a cap commitment with the Panthers. The Joel Quenneville wasn't going there unless he knew that they're willing to spend the cap somebody's going out if it's both Abroskin paren- so who's getting subtracted, and how are you gonna make your team better with the peace? You're subtracting trade. What are you doing? Because does the goalie solve all their problems? Everything's better. When you get a safe. Everything's better save, but the fence. This year. They weren't good enough. I think you're trying to still help your blue li-. You're hoping that some guys are better next year. They recovery hope at Plata's a better year. You'll Matheson has a better year in your hoping raises your game. But I think something's gotta go out, cap wise. So what's coming in? If you throw darts at that Panthers lineup, and it's tough because this guy just you know, fed thirty five goals. You wonder if my coffin could be that guy like bar cops going nowhere. Nope. Not a chance. No, Charlton Huber, though is one of the most underrated left-wingers in the game. And he's at a a decent ticket at five point nine and they've committed to him through twenty twenty three tro check second line center. Perfect spot high production. He's going nowhere. The one that I keep coming back to in all of this who I can see being the odd man out as often Rosal rightly Ryan. That's what I got nothing to do with the Ottawa stuff for what happened or knowing that. I'm not saying he's getting traded because of or potential gain trade because it was reputation that I think that's all irrelevant. I just think that when you're if you're adding those two guys what are you? Adding what's their number going to be combined close to twenty million g somewhere between eighteen and twenty million? You think he's gonna look for something similar to the carry price deal? Don't you, you know. You know, I gotta tell you. We're we're doing this before the plow starts, and I might feel differently you know, week, but the Broschi based on the way played this year. He's not a ten million dollar player. I don't disagree with. I'd be extremely nervous free agent end GM's can get goofy. Well, rob and say hold on a second. We have a good team. We should be in the playoffs. We can't get a save will then you know, what if you're saying he's going to get carry prices deal. Get that is the ballpark is. Let's let's say we're in the ballpark. Let's just say you're actually seated in the ballpark. Even if you're in the five hundred level, you're in the ballpark euro over twenty million dollars for these guys. Yep. Well, you've made a significant investment in Joe Quinn, full right away. You've changed the conversation around the Florida Panthers. This is poised to be an ugly off season for that team in the next couple of months, we're going to be really challenging for that team and right away with this move. Day after the NHL regular season concludes. You've changed the conversation with Joel Quenneville, but let me throw them back at shoop. Do you like me believe that Joel Quenneville was told that other players are coming that? This isn't the team. Yes. There's more than this. Yes. And if he has personnel decisions. One of the first things would have to be the goaltender the goaltender and the second might be and who loved playing. Yep. For Quenneville Chicago background final thought on the Florida Panthers. Before we go to break. We'll talk about this with talent. But this is the biggest bat by Panthers owner since Pavel berry. Thoughts is brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra dinner. The head coach of the buffalo. Sabres was fired today just hours after the season ended giving the sabers were on top of the NHL world tied for the league lead in points at one point but buffalo was the worst team in hockey since and Phil Housley was just not going to survive that sabres GM Jason Botterill announced this morning that housi- was let go as head coach in the end. I thought this decision had to be made for organization to move forward. We are all responsible for the success and failures of this organization. We are certainly not pleased at where we're at. And where results happen this year? We all need to be accountable and not make excuses. Okay, elliott. So the Florida Panthers situation. Joel Quinn vote comes in a couple of other coaching situations to go over Phil Housley is now exit of the Buffalo Sabres we've talked about this on the podcast for couple of weeks. And you mentioned that Jason bottle really didn't want to do. This is wasn't his preference. What happened? I think as you said the other day when they took a look at the end of the season the bottom line is look at our record. You look at our record in the first twenty five games. You look at the record in last week, but games, unfortunately, the message wasn't get through. This is going to be their fifth coach since Lindy Ruff was fired in February of two thousand thirteen and they're paying Phil Housley over a million dollars each of the next two years. I think they have one more year of Dan byles might think that was a five year deal. I mean, they're paying a lot. And now the word comes in that they've thrown a mega offer at Todd McLellan. Yeon to try to turn them away from Los Angeles. I mean there unafraid throw money at the problem. I give them that. But guys are looking at me and saying what's the problem here? Why can't they get this ship on track at what point do you look at it and say, it's not coaching, and you're really going to have to do some major surgery on the roster. I think major surgery on the roster is coming look at the Buffalo Sabres myself. This is the team that's the way of couch. It is this is a team that's in reflection. They don't know what they have in Thomson medal stat and Neil Lander until they get that sorted out. I don't know what the Buffalo Sabres are going to be able to chart a course here. They don't they have an Eichel. They have in Rasma stellian. And after that there are a lot of question marks. But your point about the coaching is a good ones. Visor men went through this early in his career as well. As revolving door of coaches season was the as Polanow every season. There was a new coach that was coming in. And. Actually, I visor men there had to be some stability there and eventually at happened. And you wonder about the same thing with Jack Eichel and the Buffalo Sabres to that point. There needs to be some stability there, and they can't keep going through the scenario each and every year or every couple of years where you say, well, we give it a shot, then work. Let's move on at a certain point. These superstars needs to -bility false. It's true. It's totally true. And you know, what's interesting is that I coil is an interesting guy in the stands that he wears his frustration his anger on his face. He would be a terrible poker player because you know, when he would have a good hand. And when he would have a bad hand, and you can read it on him from what I understand the concern is in lobby will look at that. And they say, well, that's the problem. He's too frustrated. And I think to a degree I I would agree with that. You can't show your frustration. But you know, what I've heard they. Feel about some of their young players other than him there too, passive, so the sabers kind of have a franchise player who people are saying is to obvious with his frustration and a bunch of other young pieces that they hope are really good that are way too, passive and not forceful enough. And what that says to me is you've got to let these guys grow. And we talked about this. How hard it is to stay in buffalo. You know, we need patience because those are great fans and they've been patient in less. You are going to give up on the knee Landers and the middle stats you have no choice, but to let them kind of mature into what they're going to be some worry about those guys now. But I think Ovechkin again, I'm gonna keep going back to this over and over again is proved that people can evolve and people can change, and if you are going to like there's all. This talking Winnipeg should they get rid of lying, should they trade lining? I think when you have a guy who was a talent like that. You have to be really smart about what you do if you give up you give up knowing that could blow up in your face. And I think buffalo, you know, they've made their picks. They've gotta live with their picks. And they better make sure that if they give up on some of those guys it's because they know they won't grow into something better. I wonder about Neil enders specifically. Okay. So he goes back to the to the buffalo draft. That's the the Austin Matthews draft, and they passed over some pretty big players and Miquel surrogate Chev is certainly one of them to draft kneeland or and I wonder where his head is that when he sees someone like Casey middle stat get drafted and go right into the NHL. Yup. And how much of an effect that has on that player while he's still plying it in the American Hockey League in Rochester. I'm sure it's a factor. You know, we see that all the time. You know, we know that the knee Landers the family. Tough. They went until a big contracts Butte with the Maple Leafs this year, and they took them right down the absolute last minute with each other before they got the deal done. So I have no doubt that that's a factor. The guy I wonder about is wrist allying. And I'm not wondering about him personally. I'm just saying that I'm hearing his name a lot. I think there's I've heard there's a lot of teams that spent the back half of the year really looking at him. And I get the sense that there are other teams out there who were like if we get him into our situation, we think this can be a lot better the analytics community, they hate them. Can't stay. I know I know, but you know, what he's still young years. No doubting his talent. There are people out there say if he gets into our situation he's going to be better. And I think that's going to be an interesting one for bottle to way because I think he knows that's. Chip he can use how frisky are they in the off season. We've talked about them as the draft. And look like a wet dog. Jeez. We're already on the podcast. I could be the intro for this week's edition of it. You know, we look at them as being one of those teams that are able to absorb contract, right? Yes. If you have problems Buffalo Sabres are open for business. Yes. It'll cost you. We're open for business. Yes. Okay. So Todd McLellan could go from coaching Connor mcdavid to coaching Jack Eichel. We've all been hearing for a couple of months now that the next guy in L A was going to be tied McClellan we're going to do a search. But now again today, but he was the preferred candidate, and I heard that at the end of the year, somebody told me they heard from outside that Ellie was like, you know, what if we really think that he's the preferred candidate, why waste time and screw around. Let's just go get them and they spoke to him. And I believe they had provisioned before the end of the season before it was reported at least anyway, and they got onto it. You know, I think LA has a limit Darryl Sutter. I believe made about three and a half million. And he was a guy who won twice as a Stanley Cup champion. And I believe McClellan was. Three and a half in Edmonton. So I think that that's about as high as Elliot's willing to go if there and buffalo comes in and the rumor is they've come in a massive number maybe five times five or something like that. I just don't think the kings are going to do that. And there's a lot to like from plowing about the kings. He's a western guy. Nice place to live. Nice place to live his family likes it out there. He knows raw Blake luck. He battled with Doug Wilson in San Jose. He battled with Peter seraglio the end Annette Minton. And now he has a guy he knows who played for them. And Blake speaks very highly of him a lot of it lines up with L A. I mean, you know, how it is. I never knock anybody for taking the money. It sounds like buffalo is going to make it hard for him to say, no first of all, you know, we need online. What's that coach cap friendly to keep track of all this and find out how much each coach makes the coaches loved telling you other how much I don't really like telling them the media how much they mean? But it benefits those. Here's the thing. Like if you look at. Some of the coach now, we know Babcock's at six although it was heavily front loaded. We know Quenneville is it five to five now in Florida and the way a lot of these deals work is so let's just say Jeff America's a coach and I've hired him. And I'm hiring you to five million dollar contract. Like when it says it could rise as highest seven. This is my guest with how it works from someone who explained to me, so Jeff I'm signing you and you're making five million this year. I'll take the pig. But if you if you make the first round of the playoffs, you get a one hundred thousand dollar bonus. Right. If get it that year, and it becomes your base for the next four years of your deal if signed a five year deal, so that's how it works. Go. That's five million dollars turns into one one or five point five million dollars in the that is as for the next few. So let's let's just say I signed you contract say, okay, Jeff, you're you got a five year deal at five million season. If you make the playoffs you get hundred. Thousand dollars bonus. If you win the first round, you get another two hundred thousand if you if you win the second round, you get two hundred fifty thousand if you go to the Stanley Cup finally get five hundred thousand if you win you get an extra million, some coaches, I know they have it all worked in that. If you get one of those bonuses on comes part of your salary for all the future years that becomes locked in. Then your base becomes a states five point five. It becomes a five point five. And then you're bonuses add up on top of that for the follow the one for the one year. You get them. Your bonuses are on top of that in your bonuses are raced, but it becomes your salary. Okay. Because I was thinking and then y'all another boat whereby you can just leapfrog over yourself every single season. So you have your five point five for next season. And then you have the we made the playoffs that becomes five point six million. And then that becomes your thing though, you only hit them once and you stays that. But it could be that way. So I don't know what numbers. I just threw. Out there. I can't even remember somebody. Listen to. But basically if you hit all those bonuses your salary starts at five million from winning the Cup get five hundred thousand for making the final, plus whatever else, I gave you you're basically at seven million. So if you win the company year one, yeah, you've made yourself an extra two million almost proceeding. Puck pedia does a good job tracking things like which agents represent which players and salary cap stuff on there as well. Cap friendly. Does a great job on the resource. We all use we need a coach version of all of this guys. They love each other knowing it, but they don't want us to know. So you have a gut feeling on buffalo and and Todd McLellan my head says LA, but not with a lot of confidence. Okay. What's your? He's going to buffalo his sons playing in the frozen four for Denver. I'm sure he'll meet with bottle there. My head says LA. But again, I I never knocked people for taking the money. I never do. Let's do LA then Willie Daesh art and this was destined from day one. The question then becomes the Los Angeles Kings who gets the new lease on life. And is that person Ilyasova, John, I would think so and maybe Dion Fano to like it didn't. Work for those guys. First of all I have noticed to kick willy jar. And while he's down, you know, it didn't work you move on. I really liked what Rob Blake sake. I Java that this year out all tear put willing to tough spot smokes. When I look at it. Now was he able to have success in that probably not he came in on a team that I wasn't sure was ready to buy into play hard enough to win. Again. It's a really really tough spot for Willie. And I take one hundred percent responsibility for that. That's on me. I didn't do good enough. We all have that happens to all of us. Now, he did say at his postseason media conference at buyouts were a possibility. And a lot of people are kind of thinking about Fano if with that. But I'm sure that whoever he interviews. He's asking them. Okay. How can we make Cova Chuck better? How can we make fun of better? Do you think we can do that? How what's your plan for us doing that? So I think that becomes a part of the conversation. What are you doing to make these guys better? I will say this if they don't. Get mcclellan. I think Patrick was going to be in this conversation. You know, someone else told me that Doug, wait could potentially be in this conversation is back to that. I had Trich wall. Blake played with them. Of course, Colorado. I've heard why as part of this attribute Quebec ramparts almost upset. The memorial Cup host Halifax move says in the opening round. He's a really good job with that program specifically in the back half of the season. Patrick wa- back in the NHL. I think wall will be in the conversation. I've heard wait could be in the conversation. You know, I'm wondering if Adam Oates wants to coach again, I don't know about that one. But they brought him in as an advisor. Right. I'll tell you what other name that someone brought up to me. It makes a lot of senses. Tony granato. Yep. Another guy who's really tight with Rob Blake. You know, he coaches at the university of Wisconsin. I could see all of those things being in the mix of it's not McClellan. But I think Blake will listen to ideas. How do we get the guys who had rough years this year? How do we get them going and the MO for the Los Angeles Kings this off season seems last season we need to get faster and younger now interestingly enough, they went out there and the out-bid the Boston Bruins Ilya Kovalchuk. But still it's a team. I understand that foot speed is a big issue. Yup. And I think they will look at how you can play faster. No question about it from the coach got fired to the coach that stayed story the Minnesota while a lot of people have been saying all season long. Minnesota is make the playoffs. Paul Fenton's only choice here is to get rid of the coach. This is new territory for Bruce Boudreau not being in the playoffs. This is unfamiliar for him and unfamiliar for any team whose Benxi stands behind the Paul Fenton said. Nope, Bruce Boudreau is coming back as our head coach next season, Paul Fenton. Stay noted Craig Leopold saying, though, what do you think I think the owner probably had a lot to do with it? You know, he's making three and a half million. I don't know people don't want these contracts to be retirement contracts, where you actually retire and still collect all that money. They want him to coach next year. And part of me wondered, and this is just me, and I want to stress this. This is me just talking and wondering myself a Sam Bujar Jorda buffalo. I was kinda wondering there would be like a trade. Same booed rose, a southern Ontario guy. He's got family and Saint Catherine's it made a lot of sense. But obviously he's gonna stay there next year. I just kind of wondered about that. Like, this doesn't look like a really happy marriage. Does it? But none of this does like with Minnesota. No, we've talked about this before this is frozen team. You look at the contracts look at the length on these contracts, if you're Paul Fenton, you mean made the move with for victirats need Anita rider who had fallen out of favor with your organization's only with the head coach that didn't work out. There are very we've talked about this before this very limited amount of moves. You can make in Minnesota. And there's no saviors coming. No, frustrated. Yes. That's the one team that I look at and say to myself, I do not a lot of general managers that have tough tasks ahead of them, whomever. Ends up managing the Oilers front and center, but how frustrating must be if you're Paul Fenton, the Minnesota wild knowing man, I really can't do anything. Even if I wanted to you have to take big wax. And if you look at Paul Fenton where he came from in. Asheville they grew incrementally. And then they took their swings. When did David Poile, take swings? He took a swings with shea Weber and peaky sue ban. He took a swings with Seth Jones, and you know, Ryan Hansen, and he is continually taken big wax at the top available guys. But if you look at the foreign the majority of them, are that's all made by trades. It's unique team and they. And the and the deal last year. There's another one fourth Berg is a trade Hanson had a gr- what he thought was a team on the brink before he did that. So I would guess that. That is probably the way Fenton prefers to do it too. But you're right. It's a slow turning ship. You don't see an easy route to do all of that kind of thing. Philadelphia flyers. I have a hard time believing. They weren't in the conversation for Joel Quenneville. I had heard that. There was a meeting between Quenneville in the flyers and early April. That rumor was out there, April fourth. I think it was let me back this up. I'm trying to the Quenneville time line. And we're doing this again before we speak the talent. I heard after it happened that Quenneville told other teams on Saturday that he was going to Florida. I think there were some who said, well, you can decide that. But that doesn't mean we have to give up and they threw bags of money at him. And he stayed with where he was going. I find hard to believe too that Philly knowing Phillies history, and the fact that you know, guys like Paul homegrown, and Bob Clark is still around that they wouldn't have considered it. But the one thing as I said, I do believe is that people thought Florida was whereas heart was it's gonna be interesting now like where do you go Chuck Fletcher has seen Dan byles get hired Scranton wilkes-barre Pittsburgh Penguins. There's a connection you always look for connections. There's a connection I gotta. Think a land vino is in this conversation too. I gotta think he's a guy that they're going to at least look at Scott, Gordon, if they decide to keep him. But this is a situation. I wonder if it evolves like who loses early in the play offs does that change the future of some people's organizations. This somebody gets shaken loose in the first round that these teams look at and say, yeah, if I'm Philly, I'm going there the Walker. There would be Toronto. That would be the earthquake. In the marketplace. Yeah. I mean, it would you know, Columbus to let's just see what happens one of the questions. People ask are one of the speculations. Was once Joel Quenneville domino fell would other teams scrambling day. We'd better get our guy or agai before the music stops. And we don't have a chair will. That's what buffalo is clearly done. Buffalo has just said, you know, what we're not screwing around here. We're throwing we're not waiting for playoff. We're going after guy, you know, the thing about I kind of wondered Avena would be in there to Botterill, and you're going to be together at the world championships. I gotta tell you just sure theory on my part I thought of this last night, and it was like. Now, your head is spinning top. Is this last night when you weren't with your wife at the Fleetwood MAC concert because postponed took her to a great restaurant a restaurant? You would like I was disappointed for that for her because she was really excite you. And I really did this idiot husband this week, by the way. Okay. So was her name like you guys know this the barefoot Contessa that is no chef the the verified. So she's coming Toronto this week. And I'm like, of course, I can I can go with you like, I always try one thing with my wife right before the plastic. I may not like, but she's gonna love just to make your happy. I'm going into the witness protection program for too much. And then, you know, Vegas goes to the cop. I get to go back there again. So I get her tickets the barefoot Contessa just like I only want to go if you can go with me. I'm like check the date. Oh, yeah. No problem. I'm such a more it's Thursday. So I can't Thursday. I thought it was. Hey, guys, I'm gonna take off lease Bruins and Calgary. The the back end of the w go see the barefoot Contessa you'll catch with that. So anyway, we were supposed to Fleetwood back Stevie nicks sick got cancelled drag I took her out Lindsey Buckingham. So anyway, as I was saying with buffalo. Okay. So what have we seen? We have seen D Lombardi go back to Darryl center. Yep. We have seen Anaheim go back to Randy Carlyle this pause right there. I don't want to see this card. Well, it's obvious. If you don't get this, right? Your complete idiot. Well, we already know that was gonna show almo. Okay. Go ahead. Finish your thoughts. You there's any chance. Buffalo will go back to Lindy rough going to go with Delfi there. Oh, I was holding that card Ken Hitchcock. I don't know. I I mean, I was thinking this any chance buffalo go back to Lindy row. Why not? He was the longest serving buffalo. Saber coach ever helped develop that team in a salary cap to being amongst the elite in the NHL that was a fun team to watch. I love that addition of the sabers with Briere and Drewery and Campbell and a young Haman Ville, I loved that. Ryan Miller, I love watching that Buffalo Sabres squat. And when they moved the Parker on will and Thomas Vantic, dick. I loved it's not. Why not? Okay. I thought you're gonna say, Philadelphia and Kennedy gawk you ready. What's happening in Edmonson? Well, they've announced Hitchcock won't be back. That's right. I was really intrigued by the fact that he said they're not hiring president of hockey operations. But just GM. That's what Nicholson said that their urine media conference. I thought they were gonna go after Holland of Holland didn't stand Troy, but now that they're only talking about a GM. I'm I'm not sure, you know, we've had the Mike Gillis to be here. I think he's going to get interviewed there. Bob Nicholson has said he's going to try to keep quiet on this. I think they're going to futa. I think they're gonna be bills ITO. I think they're gonna be Mark hunter think they're going to Brad mccrum. I think people are gonna ask for a lot of power. The people were going in. There are going to ask for a lot of power. And I think that's gonna be where going to be one of the most interesting questions are they willing to give up that kind of power. You know, the fact that they're not talking about president of hockey house. But GM, I think that's really intriguing in what sense in that. That GM sounds will be veteran guy coming in that GM's plug in a lot of power. I think they're gonna Keith Gretzky still think he's in the mix. I think Bob Nicholson this has been such a roller coaster ride for him. I think he's changed kind of thinking of few times here. And there I'm curious to see where this is going to go over the next couple of months that general manager come in with a preferred candidate behind the bench. Well, I think it's going to be up to that guy. Right. Sure. Certainly. But as part of that. Part of the interview process is I'm not just hiring this GM marrying this GM who is bringing with him this recommendation. I'm trying to think like for some of these guys who the obvious connection. That's what I'm trying to dry. The the Mark hunter gets the job who's the coach? There's no way deals going there DJ. Yeah. That's all DJ. Smith is a great call. What any get at here in a roundabout way is is there any outside the box thinkers, and if so because this name has popped up more so in in discourse online than anywhere else. Ricard Grinberg this we head coach. Yeah. We had them on interested in working in the NHL has been in North America. Previous as we all know like I wonder if you get interviewing auto don't know that's another on my list of ask Elliott about like Ottawa. I could see that auto buffalo. It's interesting to lean. Yeah. Buffalo like you're looking for. A team. That's got that kind of connection. Elander? I would like to see him here. It's the lie. I think it's time. I don't know if you're going to be a head coach, but he could be an associate coach I wonder if he gets interviewed NADA wa I wonder if he gets a look in buffalo Anaheim, we all say this is done. It's over Dallas Aitken's becomes the next head coach of the Anaheim ducks. I think they're gonna go through a search. I have believed it's Aitken's until told otherwise I haven't been told otherwise speaking of Anaheim, Ryan kesler hip surgery. Yeah. I don't know Ryan kesler he came back a long way to get here this year. He didn't play out. He played thousand eight thousand one for the ceremony and one guy who called me kind of rip me about that. Like not written me rip Kessler to me about that. And I'm like that is such like Bs like, you know, first of all like, I understand thousands of big deal. Secondly, are we? We really ripping people now for trying to make comebacks and trying to play and earn their contract. You know, my Forsberg point of view make them drag you off the ice drag me I'm gonna keep as long as I can get in skate. I told lame opinion. That's what I thought like in this not just hockey. But in all sports respond to celebrate never quitting. Yeah. What do we encourage guys to quit at the end? Oh, you're tarnishing reputation leave the stage while the audience is applauding not chance. Go when you're ready to go. See this almost ended up in Sports Illustrated. I know we've got out of the article, but I don't mind saying it now. So remember last summer, I reported that he might not play. Yeah. When we saw shows Anaheim came to Toronto Kessler said to me that was big motivation for him. Really? Yes. I can see that about him. And you know, what he was he wasn't an idiot about it. He was really honest. I like doing with Kessler. I always have he just said to me like. I when you reported that I took that as a big challenge. It's awesome. Good for him. Yeah. I said, well, I'm glad you proved me wrong. And I'm glad you made it, and you know, I think to play a thousand games in the league is hard, especially with the way he plays. And I think it's to be respected that you know, he was so determined at the end of the day he signed a big contract is trying to earn it. Now, he may not in it because was going to earn. It earn it. But he made. May appeal to play for it because his body's so broken down. But you can never accuse that guy of cheating you on effort before we get so break here del talent on the other side Jim before the Panthers. The future of Taylor hall. How much of a discussion will this be in the days weeks and months to come until it ends with either a contract or a move. It's going to be a top. Now. Maybe it won't be as big as the plan will be on. But right around draft time, you can imagine. If if he doesn't have an extension, you know, it's going to be at the forefront. When we come back GM and the Florida Panthers Dale town. Thirty one thoughts is brought to you by the next generation GMC Sierra the now complete with the world's first six function multi-proposal gate. Nets sliding around on the way to hockey use the built-in load stop to help keep them in place. Loading what seems like half a team's worth of bags the tailgate. Also turns into a step for easier access and has an inner gate that flips down for unloading all the year, you can fit GMC Sierra Dinelli. We are professional grade. Joined now by the general manager of the Florida Panthers. And the man that made the headlines all week long and well into this podcast as well. Dale talent joins us once again, I should mention the thirty one thoughts podcast. Of course. We're going to get to the big news with Joel Quenneville, but first we're recording this interview in advance of the draft lottery. You have had some success in the past out lotteries. Do you have a lucky charm or something you say to yourself or anything you're Irish has to be something you do? Anymore? You know, I put my left skate on. I that didn't work. No, listen, the golf ball. Listen. So I said the hell with it. No, I don't know, you know, once in a while. But not I don't really believe in that stuff. So I've been lucky my whole life. I think I'm a lucky charm. So I'll go there and hope hope for the best. Now, Dale talent. You can't see this on the pied cast but on his neck. He's wearing something that's draft lottery. VIP or? Yeah. Get in your otherwise. But Dale in the National Hockey League this week. You are not just av IP. You are the VIP because you have been the biggest newsmaker the National Hockey League. I think a lot of people were expecting the Joel Quenneville was going to end up in Philadelphia. How did you get him to Florida, my lucky charm? I guess. Joel I have a great relationship, and for me, it was kind of fate like Vinnie vile, and I had a meeting on Wednesday Tuesday Wednesday of last week Wednesday. We decided that we were going to I had read somewhere the week before that Joel was interested in getting back in up until that time. I you know, when I last spoken with them at Christmas. We always stay anti wisdom merry Christmas fan love family, and we're just buddies and he said he was enjoying retirement. And that was the end of the conversation. And then saw never thought anything of it down deep subconsciously. I always felt that it would be nice to get back together with them somehow and be on the ice with them went when when the Cup, and so I went to Vinnie and Vinnie said, let's go for it. And so then the call the the Blackhawks Thursday evening just before puck drop against Dallas and ask permission to talk to them. And they said yes, and then got the mail from STAN. And I call Joel right away and start hammering it away and explained what was going on. And what our goals were. And and he knew somewhat of our team in our players, and then I got Vinnie to call them. And we just started going after it and by the weekend, it was a done deal. And here we are just phenomenal thing that just happened in kept rolling and we'd went forward and here we are. I'm so excited. Now, the word around the league is that you guys were by far the most aggressive team, and you were not going to take. No for an answer. Very true. Very true. I don't know what other teams are doing or saying, no. There are other teams that we're looking for them that an idea that Philly was aggressive and wanted to get there as well. And I think the relationship from the past and the great young players that we have and the players we have coming and who doesn't wanna live in Florida. But I think Vinny vile has made a total commitment and you understand. That and he likes our team, and he likes me, and I like him, and it was a perfect fit. What is it? Then about joy in the obvious answer is look at he's been wildly successful three Stanley Cup rings at cetera. That's from you know, viewers point of view, someone that follows hockey, but obviously your general manager, and you know, Joel in a way that most people don't Weigel. First of all was record is impeccable. Who has a better record only one another guy? I don't think he was available. So you call. You know, and to me to be just fortunate to have a relationship with them in our situation in Florida. We needed to make a statement we have a lot of good young players. But we're kinda underachieving I thought this year last year. So we needed to make a statement. And I just like the fact that. Our players will know, whatever he tells them it works. He believes in what he's doing the players will now believe what he's capable of doing. They'll be willing to do what he tells them to do and you'll do it convincingly, honestly transparently, and he's just no BS. It's just these are the facts, this is what we're gonna do this. We're gonna win from your chair. Then what do you think Joel Quenneville 's biggest job is instill positive confident, assertive attitude? You know, I think our kids this year kinda lost her confidence and got a little bit flustered. And we lost a lot of games when we were ahead or close and composure was not there. Those are the things that will he will change a couple of questions number one. The one of the stories lines out there was that Quenneville promise. Some personnel say is that correct? Well, for sure why wouldn't you? I mean the. You know, I always had a philosophy of laying the coach hire one and then agreeing on a second. But you know, Joel I'm going to be in discussions on everything. I've changed as well. You know, from when we first started it was you coach the players I bring you in. That's it that I've changed as well. More willing to listen to other people. And and I think Joel, and I will have a lot of discussions on personnel. And I think we agree on a lot of the stuff. We have the same Leica players and coaches. So, you know, why not he's he's is very successful coach and I trust them. Apparently the storyline understand is on Saturday afternoon. He began to tell other organizations that he was going to Florida. But then there were rumors on Sunday afternoon and out this Monday. The maybe some of those organizations weren't taking no for an answer. And they were trying to stay in where you word it all on Sunday that you were going to lose them. No. Knows pretty confident you mentioned all the young players of the Florida Panthers. And listen Alexander bark off once again, wonderful campaign just shy of one hundred points. Charles Hubert, oh continues to be one of the best kept secrets on the wing in the entire NHL. You talk about players that need to need to be better need to take their game to the next level. Who are those guys because we? Young have to get better. They have to trust themselves and Matheson act Blad, you know, those kids have to improve the take it to another level. I think for us to to make a big step forward. You know? That's the toughest position. Those are the guys that I think need to have more confidence in play with more confidence and be more cert- of an aggressive those types of things and and we need more consistent play from kid lake Bjork shrimp gonna raise his game. It was you know, experience form this year. But you know, just everybody's gotta get better at gay management. Our game management was not very good. We really didn't play smart hockey when we had leads and critical situations in games, and it really backfired on his. So those are things that Joel will address and fix and and then we also have a lot of room to be aggressive in the free agent market. So we're pretty excited about the direction. We're team is headed in cap team now. Yes, that's another team. Yes. I wanted to ask you about Longo. He said that it was not only his decision. It was also the organization's decision. Where's that stand? Now. Well, we had our actually meetings yesterday. And I told him that I would like him to sit on it for a while. He's old that I don't want. Any rash decisions made yesterday and exit meeting when you're doing twenty five other guys, but we're gonna meet probably next week sometime before I go to Europe for the under eighteen and let them think about it somewhat. And they'll have really good discussions about. What's best for Lou N for the Panthers? Here we are just in advanced the draft lottery. And it wasn't that long ago. You were saying the name Owen tip outsing him as a member of the of the Florida Panthers with Saginaw right now in L H L haven't really nice playoff run. Maybe the best shooter in his fart. Right. You can really really let it go. How close you think? Someone like Owen tip. It is. And I'm thinking he's come a long way. I think last year, you know, less year training camp this training camp. He had a long way to go is stamina is enduring and paste two hundred foot game was not there. And I think since he's been traded. He's become a better two hundred foot player his energy levels higher and scoring but he's also doing good things in the defensive zone. So that's all it takes timing and conditioning and pace. He's a good skater. And he has a great shot. But it's is in Durance and and pace and continue that pays for for, you know, multiple shifts against big guys. And and pros that's the only thing that's held them back so far, but I'm really happy with the way he's developed here this year further to the draft and the draft question what point of this season? 'cause I you're one of those guys love to be at the rank your on these guy you want your own eyeballs on some of these players. Is there a time of year Dale where you step it up where you right now. All right now. No tomorrow, I'm going to go to golf, and then there's it all she wa and then you're hitting all of on -tario. Metro now, that's the favorite part of the job for me to drive all over these and go to these ranks all over I love and the atmosphere's and energy levels and the passion for the game. That's what's all about. And I love being what scouts they're they're my favorite people in hockey, you mentioned Vinnie. Viola made a big investment in role Quenneville you say the team is going to the cap. We said earlier on the podcast. This is the biggest boldest step the Florida Panthers probably taken since Pavel beret. What is the future? I think it's bright or you know, we're going to build a new practice facility right downtown at the war memorial Vinnie's committed. I mean, these unbelievable we lose twenty eight to thirty million dollars a year and here he is. Let's go. Let's go to the let's get y'all. Let's let's do we have to do, you know, God bless them. This isn't the last big headline from the Florida Panthers in the next. No, no way, we're going. We're gonna have some fun. Thanks so much for this pleasure. Thank you. Canada wanna stream every game of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Sports now is the product for you available to anyone over the internet sports that now gives you twenty four seven access sports channels, including content not available on television. You can stream on the most popular devices, including smartphones tablets, apple TV, XBox, PlayStation, Amazon fire and chrome cast sign up for as long as you want and cancel whenever you'd like. You can also stream the NBA MLB IndyCar and all your favorite sports center, original programming and more. Visit SM now dot CA for more details. Okay. Elliot. So that was our conversation with Dell talent general manager of the Florida Panthers. Now, as you mentioned, this is a Frankenstein podcast repeating altogether. So what we did before the NHL draft lottery is we sat down with a couple of other general managers, and we'll hear from them now. And then at the end will hear from ratio GM of the New Jersey Devils, congratulations. They'll select first overall in Vancouver at the NHL draft in June and then Hugh Weber New Jersey Devils team president as well. In the meantime, Elliot will hear from Jason botra GM of the Buffalo Sabres. But first here is the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks. Jim Benning very pleased to be joined now by the general manager of the Vancouver connects Jim Benning gym a couple of moments ago. We were talking Dell talent GM the Florida Panthers and asked him for good luck. Charms. Now every time on Vancouver radio. It comes to the draft lottery. The common theme is Vancouver needs. Some luck. We need some luck in this thing and come back and said, wait a minute pick up. Leah's pederson. If Quinn Hughes. I don't think Vancouver knees any luck. But if you think you do need luck. Jim, do you have anything you keep with you? I don't have anything that. I keep with me. You know, over the last I guess three or four years we've showed up at this. And we end up losing two or three spots in the draft. So our hope today, it would be fantastic. If we could end up in the top three, but I don't wanna lose. We're at nine right now. I don't wanna lose too many spots. Do you allow yourself to think in any way, what it would be like to unveil Quinn and Jack Hughes together? Yeah. Well, we've you know, obviously that would be a perfect scenario for us. We had this sedans all those years, and you know, there was such great players for us. And and both Jack and Quinn are going to be great players in this league. So, you know, Jim analogy when they were in to watch Quinn's first game, you know, they'd like to see that too. But, you know, the chances of that happening we'd have to be really lucky how much jacket be able to watch how much of the he'll say, well I seen him last year. I've seen him play probably six seven times. And this year I've seen him play three or four times. And I'm going to head over to the under eighteen world championships here in another week, and I'll see him play some more. But I've seen him play enough where you know, he's dynamic fast skill player. And I think has a chance to step into the league and be a real good player next year. I I know they're different positions. But what do they share in common? Quinton jack. While they're both. Excellent. Skaters fast have good balance on the skates. And they're both really smart players. I think they're hockey IQ's are both off the charts. They grew up in hockey family like with you know, Jim always being involved with NHL teams. And you know, like when Luke Hsien we told Quinn when he was signed with us that he was going to be paired with Liu Chen. Well, well, Jim was the player development guy for Toronto. When you know he was dragging Quinton Jack in the room to work with Luke, Shan. So you know, I just came back all around in a big circle. So they've grown up around the game. Jim is you know when he's been involved in a game. He was coaching. And he's a real smart like he is smart defensive mind. So as good as both of them are offensively. I think from Jim, you know, they've learned the defensive side of the game. All right. You mentioned shin. We talked a couple. Weeks ago in hockey and about the possibility he comes back for another year. Where's that stand? At this point in time. We just finished, you know, three nights ago, we did exit meetings with our players the last couple of days and came in here last night for this today. So we're gonna when I get back after this week. We're going to sit down as a hockey operations group. And we're going to talk about all the players, and what their futures are what was Pedersen's exit interview. Like, what did you say to him? What did he talk about? He's a guy that's first of all mature beyond his years. You know, he talked to me about you know, how good the first sixty games were for him. And then how hard, you know, the last twenty games when teams are ratcheting it up a level to get ready for the playoffs. And it was a great learning experience for him. I think you know, he's seen the good side of things the first sixty games. And then he seeing the last twenty games where you know, he seen it's hard and it's hard, especially when you. Get into that last couple of months of the year and teams again ready for the playoffs. So I think it was a great learning experience for him this year, and he's the type of kid that he's going to figure out you know, what he needs to do in the summertime to to you know, to get better to get stronger. So you know, he can be really good the whole eighty two games, you know, for group one of the best picks and the history of the Vancouver specifically where you got him considering how good he is. And what he did this year in the NHL. And and what he's done to organization we believe there's at least a couple of teams that had him as high as number one on their draft rankings. How high did you have Pederson on yours? Adam. Really? Hi, I'm not going to say where it what number. We had him rated. But we Adam rated high considering what he did this year. And what you saw at the beginning of the season. Does any of this surprise you what he did all year? Well, I think what surprised this is. He was so good so fast. Like, we knew he was going to be a really skilled player. But to step in and to do the things that he did this year. You know, I don't think we are expecting that. Like, you know, when we talked he played right wing last year. Most of the year, he played seven games at center last summer. You know, we were trying to address getting like a skilled center ice meant a second center ice spent force. And and you know, we had no luck there. So we said, well, we drafted him as a center ice Mun. Let's give them a call here in August and get it in his mindset, you're gonna come to training camp play center for so he came in. And it was like every day. He got better like every day through the rookie tournament through training camp. Like every day, just and he's such a competitive guy. Like, it was the first year he played center, you know, in a couple years. And so he was having a tough time withdraws as all young players too. And they first come into the league and after games like even when he scored he'd have a goal in an assist and. And you know, I say good game tonight. And he was like it was driving him crazy that he went like four eight on draws. You know what I mean? But he's like a perfectionist that way he wants, you know, it's just we see the scoring. We see the shot we see the vision but his defensive play and playing winning hockey and a little details of the game. And that's all the great players. You know, we've seen come through the years. That's the way they're like. And he's no different marks. Jim. Do you see him as the long term future in goal for Vancouver? We're in a good position goal is. Now Jacob had an excellent year for us. And you know, this last three or four months kept us in a lot of games. And you know, was excellent. So he took another step like he, you know, he's now a true number one goalie that has the ability to on any given night when a game for you Thatcher, damn co we got him up and going this year. And played him some games that the end here, and he was really good too. So I feel really good about the two of them going into next year. You know, I think Ian Clark worked with Jacob this year and got him to another level. And so we're going to talk about he's got another year left on his contract. So when we have our meetings, we'll talk about whether you know, we try to approach him after July first about signing a deal, but we got good goalies. Where's it staying with header? So Alex wants to be in Vancouver. He was really good for us this year. He was our best defenseman. He had a real good year. You know, he's the type guy where he's a leader in our group like when we did our exit meetings, and we talked to some of the young guys who do you look up to on the team who do you talk to one things on going? Well, and and Alex is name always comes up of the three or four players players mentioned his name always comes up. So like, he learned from the sedans, the culture. What it means to be Vancouver? And I think you know, PD's looked up to him this year spent a lot of time with them help advise him in certain situations. So he's an important guy. And we're going to you know, now that we're done the season. We're going to get together with his agent, and we're going to try to figure it out has that process been any more difficult than you thought. It was going to be no no it hasn't. He's played his whole career in Vancouver. He wants to win and he loves the direction of the team and the young players we have and. You know, he thinks that we're heading in the right direction. So you know, we just have to figure out what the deal looks like. But he wants to be there and be part of our group moving forward. You say you're you're an interview you're looking at a top six four diedhiou. See that being free agency or trade thing, we're going to try looking at both like if it's you know, if there's something available in trade, and you know, we'll take a look at that. Or, you know, and we're gonna look at free agency too. So I think we took a as an organization as team this year. We took a step and we want to take another step next year. And you know, we have to make some improvements in certain areas. And if we can address those I feel like, you know, we're capable of taking that next step talked earlier Jim about how at least Pederson change the expectation for this team almost immediately and what they're going to becoming how quickly they're going to get there. How does Quin Hughes? It's a lot of easy zone exits when he's on the ice s. The first thing that comes to mind, but knows expecting them to do to the back end. What Pederson did up front, but what's explication acting that though like he has it in him to do that? Like, he's a fantastic skater. He's got good balance on his skates. We just seen a glimpse of it. And these five games that he played, but he's like a one man break. Oh machine. He's fast enough to get back at the puck, and he you know, in two strides. He's going full speed. And he's pasta. I four checker and breaking the puck up. I so, you know, like in we've played some big strong teams here in these five games. He played we played Saint Louis. Dallas San Jose hard teams like big teams. And but he's such a good skater. He's got such good balance on skates. And he's smart like he's he reads the play. Well, he made some plays and the games. He played PD made up front for us this year that you know, we haven't had like that offensive type defenseman around. In Vancouver for a long time. And and you know, we drafted him last year, and we feel he can be that guy for us. He's like a young Jim Benning. Way better than Jim playing. It's funny. We were joking awhile ago. But how there needs to be a separate Twitter feed? Just to alert people when Vancouver's going into overtime because three on three with Hoover with Hughes. Pederson best around the ice. Like that's must see even if you're not watching the connects game. That's must see TV. Yeah. That was fun to watch. We've seen it in two instances this year where they're playing three on three and the three of them the way, they think the game and the way Quinn skates and the vision that PD has and you know, with Brock's shot, it just seems like a perfect scenario. The three of them, you know, and Travis, and I talk and stuff, and we're like, wow. This is going to be fun going forward to watch these guys. I wonder about planning so Edmondson has mcdavid and dry Seidel. And now, they're on their second contracts. Toronto went through it with Mathewson martyr. And now they're all going to be on their second contracts with tha virus do you look at? This and say Pedersen's, really good. So who knows what we're gonna be paying him in two years. And hopefully, these other guys are going to be just as good Besser Hughes. Never one else to know look at the next two years and say we have to make a run during that time. I don't think so you know, I feel like we've taken a step in the right direction this year, we want to take the next step next year. You know, and these young exciting players, and we're gonna have to start paying them. We know that we have cap, you know, room available right now. And I think we just have to be careful like because both Quinn and PD come up to say me air that you know, we have enough money to make sure that you know, to pay these guys what they're going to be worth or what they're going to be asking for. So, you know, we're mindful of that. But you know, I think you know, we have a group now that I feel is going to grow together and hopefully have success and. It should be fun for fans to watch. And and I hope in that, you know, like, I said, we can take the next step and be a playoff team, and they get experienced to in that. And we'll see where it goes. Should we expect big headlines out of Hoover in the off season? Well, I don't like I don't necessarily know big headlines we want, you know, we've identified some areas we'd like to get better like getting Pearson for us. I think is really worked out well because him in Bullhorn VAT have good chemistry together. And it's been a good fit getting him. So I think you know, we have some areas that we want to get better in and we want to add players to help us grow as a team and help our young players keep developing, but I don't necessarily know that it has to be headline type players. It's Canada every fourth line winger you sign that's seventy two point headline. Last one for me. Jim you mentioned you're going scouting. You're gonna see some OH L playoff games. You're going to Utica, what are your plans for you to? I know. I know there was some controversy there. What is the future of you know, that team and what you're gonna do with them while we like being there? It's a great place for kids to develop the fan bases. They support the team really good. We had like five or six young players go in there this year for some of them. It didn't work out. Like, you know, the player wanted like we wanted. But that's going to happen. When you have like six young players show up all at the same time like some players are gonna fall by the wayside. And that's just the way it is. I think our guys are organized down there. They have good communication with the players their expectations for the players are high. And you know, we're just going to have to make sure that you know, we keep, you know, getting young. Players. And so they get down there and make sure that we develop them properly. And and then when they're ready to play give him a chance to play in the NHL, Jim it's a big night. Fred one big night for the Vancouver Canucks for your sake. We hope we have to do an insert at the end of this interview or nounce you've you've won the draft lottery. Best of luck tonight. Thanks for having me guys. That was Jim Benning the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks after that interview the Vancouver Canucks card turned over the number ten. So at the draft they will host they will select tenth overall that's here. Now from Jason bottle, the general manager of the Buffalo Sabres, please be joined now by the general manager of the Buffalo Sabres station virtual, and I've been asking this one of all the GM so far today here on the podcast. This is in advance of the draft lottery. We asked L talent he said nothing superstitious we asked Jim bedding. Nothing superstitious. I'll ask you the same question. Any good luck? Charms secret tie that you have a rabbit's foot in your pocket anything like that. In advance of the the law. -tory balls. Well, I do have a couple of pitchers that were drawn by my daughters. And if you notice I do have the same red tie on that I wore last year outstanding very good. Oh, we didn't notice. I'm glad you told us. That's very that's very thirty. One thoughts. Ask. -cation buffalo wins if that Taiwan's for the second straight year, it's going to be out a lot fasten my blog will be tomorrow. That's for sure it certainly work last year. It was a huge advantage for organization get Mr Daul lean and we'll see if it can work out again here tonight. And by the way, as a parent, and Jeff is apparent to. I respect the fact that you brought some of your daughter stuff with you. I think that's awesome. I'm very fortunate. I have a seven year old daughter three year old daughter, and they're very good artist. So my my my office at work is certainly covered with some very creative drawings. So Jason where would you like to start? There's lots of stuff going on in buffalo rate. Now. First of all let's go back to the season. You guys were Tanna row. You're off to a great start. You seem to be a great spot. And no every team does a sort of breakdown of what happened when you look at it. What do you see happen from start to finish? Well, I think there was the excitement the of how we played in. In the fall in you saw just the excitement in the building. Especially on American thanksgiving this going on ten game win streak, and we understood what we were going through in game win streak that it was great for a group to win close games. But we also you looked at the numbers we were fortunate in those situations. But I thought it was great for our group sorta just coming together we challenged the group the previous spring on just preparation throughout the summer preparation in getting ready for the games just how they had themselves off the ice. And I think we really took a step from that standpoint. You bring a player like Rasmi Darlene into the mix. He was exactly what we're looking for. I thought we the previous year we'd spent too much time in their own zone. He helping night the transition game a lot for us. And I don't think you can ever sort of pinpoint one thing I thought going into Christmas break, although we lost a few games in December. We'd rebounded had some strong efforts in Washington and Boston one or last game going into the break played. Well there. Jack, I got an injury right after Christmas. And how we're built right now, we just can't sustain injuries to top players, and that's her momentum a little bit, especially after the all-star break teams. Just tighten up that much more and the physical play. I think a lot of teams focused on rasps Darlene Casey middle stat just instead of it being a good story in eighteen defense plane in the league, they realized he was a key to our team played a lot more physical against them. And we are still in a lot of games. But just like how we found a way to win those taking him in the first half teams tighten up defensively, and we weren't able to win those games in the third period in the second half there. And I thought all teams have young players fact that we had a lot of young players and predominant roles. They wore down a little bit Camiel sets two years removed from play Minnesota high school hockey, Rasmi, Darlene. Eighteen year old league had that same adrenaline that same energy and stuff in the game. So you know, we were very happy about the progress of where team. Got two thirds the season. Obviously, very disappointed. What transpired over that? Last the season that as an organization where we have to improve on. And that's where we talked a lot to our players of last couple of days challenged him on some things moving forward from a manager standpoint. It's where we have to continue to bring in more skill to group we joined that streak we relied too heavily on Eichel Reinhard. Skinner? We have to continue to find more depth scoring. And you just look at our numbers entire year. There's lots of room from from a defensive standpoint snapshot of the team let me know if you think this is accurate on the podcast earlier described the Buffalo Sabres as a team in reflection Jack Eichel. We know what Jaekle is and what can become Rasma stellian. Even in the first season. We can see it. We know. What's there is this a team that right now is trying to figure out who Thompson is going to be who middle stat is going to be who knee land or is going to be a team that's in reflection about players like that it's reflection. But it's also just you're looking. Them as that's the key for the for the future of the Buffalo Sabres and to me that term that's most important. It's just development everyone talks about our young players. They talk about you talk about teach Thompson rasps Darlene Casey middle stat Alex lender. But Jack Eichel Sam Reinhart restaurants were Selena and they're still young. They've been in the league now for few years, but it's imperative that they continue their developed. I thought Sam Reinhart had an outstanding season. You know, you look at it from the start of the season going through a contract negotiations and training camp. He really took control of that situation and got himself back into training camp and became a strong leader for us Jack Eichel. We gave him the at the start of the year. He took that responsibility extremely serious. And is the perfect captain. He's working at those type of things, but he took a real step in his two game this year and being the leader of a group move forward here. So to me the key for this team. It's still the core learning how to. To win. I think it was great for us to have the ten game win streak. Just so they could feel that they can do it as a group. I think before that recognition hadn't won something like three or four games and four or five years proved they know what it takes. But it's still finding out young players finding how difficult it is to be consistent in this league. Especially how to win games in the second half. This predates you, but this will be the fifth coach since February of two thousand thirteen where Lindy Ruff was fired. And we've seen guys who have not been head coaches before we've seen guys with a lot of experience. What are you looking for? Well, I think it's we're open to to anything. And you you look at different things. I think it's certainly looking for someone who has command of the room that presence in the room as I talked about before we have skill. We need to continue to Britain develop that within our organization brings some more in. But we wanna play fast up tempo style. We want to get it offense up in the play. It's that's where Rasmi. Dulling really helped group this year. But it's still as much as we wanna play that offense the game. It's having a little more structure defensively and titan in I think that's a big area where we can have improvement there. So as a group right now, it's a we have to get an experienced guide or not no we weren't looking at someone who has a communicated ability has it accountability has that presence. And that's why we're sort of going to be looking at all different options. It sounds like it's almost like a guy who's can walk that fine line of players wanna play for them. But he's also going to grind them. Is that a fair way to put it? Well, I think that's a fair way for most successful coaches right there. It's always a fine line of making sure that you have their Latian ship with the players you have that dialogue with them. But there's also that ability you get the most out of them you drive. They know that you're the one in charge. You're responsible for the for the organization getting the players to play at the top level. Do you wanna address Todd McLellan? It's a situation where Todd's has amazing career has had a lot of success, and certainly. A person of interest and he's on our list. Just like there's quite a few other people have on our list right now would that list entail and would your search entail? Waiting until the playoffs are done to see which other candidates may become available or do you already? Have some preferred candidates in mind that are already available. Look, I think until you get into interviewing people and talking about people you have to sort of see a, hey, if you feel there's fit we'll certainly move forward with it. If something that, you know, you look last time I got the job in the middle of may. And we made our decision middle of June. I think in all sorts of searches like this all you wanna have something in places before the draft. But if you feel comfortable with the person that you're nerve, we'll certainly move on even if I'm going to phrase this properly, but so I was in buffalo a couple of weeks ago, and I was walking around actually Galleria mall, and I told us during the podcast last week, and they were savers fans, ripping me for being in Galleria mall. I didn't know that was such a bad thing. But you know. Thank him up when we were talking. And you know, they said, what do you think I said, well, you know, you gotta have patients like a lot of these guys are young and he's a passionate buffalo fan. I love those fans. He's like, I'm sick and tired of being told we have to be patient we've impatient for so long. That's a tough position for an organization to be in Jason because tell me I'm wrong. I'm looking at your team. And I'm saying you have to watch some guys grow. But you've got a fan base that loves hockey and they're tired of waiting. How do you handle that? Like, how do you make a great fan base happy when they're tired of waiting? Can understand it. I've been here for two years. You know, you're disappointed you're frustrated by not being in the playoffs. So I can understand where some of their frustration comes after eight years. But when I took the job my responsibility was to build a winner and not build a team that's going to be in the playoffs one year, but build a team that's continuing constantly in the playoffs. I feel their disappointment. But I can't let that impact my decisions. And we've talked a lot about it. We are going to certainly put young players on our team. You look at Casey middle stat. Rasmi Dalian teach Thompson this year bringing up Alex Neil entered in the second half bringing up a victory. We're gonna continue to put those young players in those situations. But it's also understanding that if we can find establish NHL players that are in that sort of eighteen to twenty four category. We're going to try to add them to to. And that's why we went after a Brandon menteur we utilize the first round pick to bring in a player like that. And that's sort of were injured development. But if we can bring some. Establishing h Ehlers to help out the Jack Eichel's Sam reinhart's Rasmussen Wayne in that age group. We'll certainly look at it. You have a really good goaltender coming right now is playing with the celebrate wolves. But where are you at with your goal tending right now? Well, I think if you talked to Carter Hutton or Lena Cellmark, they were very similar to our team this year. They were outstanding. I thought special in the fall when we did have go through the structure of know, the ten game win streak, they were absolute. And they certainly still have some games in the second half. I think they'd probably tell you the same thing. There was some goals that they want it back and they were inconsistent. Just like our team was, but Carter Hutton, he came in as advertisers work ethic and practice what he brought to our room from a culture standpoint and just interaction with some younger players outstanding. And Lena Cellmark is a young goalie that we understand that. There's there's always going to be in their development, and at times, he was amazing this year times that you know, there's certainly goes that he wanted to have. Back and he's a guy that we certainly want to continue to work with. But I would say our goal is know that they can be and we'll be better. And I think it's more of us looking at a structure defensively and trying to limit our chances if you look at high danger zone chances in front of the slot. We were always at the bottom league of that. That's something that we have to have to address. What would you say? The percentage is that Jeff Skinner's sabre next year. I hope it's a high percentage, and it look it's something that we've always talked about like it's been a talked about it in my press conference last couple of days ago. Like both sides continue wanna make wanna get a deal done because I strongly believe the relationship has been positive for both sides. Just got forty goals this year. I think we put them in positions. Where he was able to have success, obviously for us. He came in and brought enthusiasm tar group, and it was something. I probably underestimated a little bit just how excited that was Yutian got for jackal or a Sam Reinhart or wrestling. And like it wasn't something. That's in the future. Here's a player that came into our group right away and help their group right away and his his two nasty as excitement. When are we scored a goal, especially in the fall was exciting for our group and relationships he built with some of star players. But also some of our young players you really helped out Casey middle stat and rasps stolen this year. So it was a very positive relation from our standpoint. We think the same thing from Jeff's. And yes, we don't have a deal done. But we're certainly going to be working and try to get something done place before July first last one from me, we're about an hour away. Just a little bit over an hour away from the draft lottery. You have a couple of picks in the first round. Are they sacred? Are they saying? Cred? Well, I think as I just mentioned before we moved one of it for a defenseman Brennan martyr. You're always going to look at different situations that could help your team right now. I think where the first one's going to be certainly in the top eight. It's always going to be difficult to move that one. That's one of the your talk to your scouting staff your extreme excited about the players that you're going to get there. So as we sit even last year, you're always listening, but in the back of your mind, the top pick your or somewhere in that top eight it's probably went onto that one last one for me Jason you're in Pittsburgh, and you saw a lot good bad fantastic. Like you saw a lot. This is the first two years where you've been in that chair where you're the pilot. And what have you learned about what it's like to be in that chair in this league? Well, there's certainly a lot of attention. And there's a lot of pressure that goes along with it. It's still at same excitement. Like what I enjoyed of my job. And Pittsburgh so much was working with experience in those players go up to Pittsburgh, and especially in sixteen and seventeen when so many of those players were part of the Stanley Cup runs there. And it's the excitement that I have in this organization right now in buffalo is just the young players like they get better. And you see a player like San Reinhard maturing. And and really taking a step in his development this year, you see young player like rasps Dolan coming to buffalo in August. You know, and you're wondering if you can get everything in order, and then he goes out and plays eighty two games and beat some records on passes. Bobby orange some things like it's absolutely amazing. And it's fun to watch that. And you realize you're certainly going to be under scrutiny, and it's important to surround yourself with good people. And that's where I feel very comfortable. The having Randy Sexton, Steve Greeley as to assistance, and and I feel very comfortable with the staff that we've developed both in buffalo and Rochester. But also out in the scouting fields are pro staffer mature staff development staff, and those are the people that I feel comfortable with. And I know that ultimately it's gonna be my decision, and I'm the one responsible, but I feel I'm getting some really good information. And that's excited that we're building that type of organization we're very proud of our success down in Cincinnati R U H L team was regular season champions. You look at six in Rochester with not only players getting up to buffalo this year but battle in Syracuse for the division title. We understand we have work to be done in buffalo. But we're very proud of the first half the season. I two thirds of the season. Now have to improve on that the last little bit. It's an interesting team. And we always generally find ourselves parking some time talking about the savers so far this season on the podcast best of luck. Tonight's with the lucky tie. Hope. They're brings you what you want. Jason. Thanks for doing this. Thank you have. Jason bottle of the Buffalo Sabres their general manager the sabers will selected seventh overall in June at the Vancouver draft the third overall selection in the two thousand nineteen NHL draft belongs to the Chicago Blackhawks Chicago, we'll select third. They move all the way up from the twelve spot, three Stanley Cups. This decade came tapes Keith and now a number three picking June in Vancouver for the hawks. And then there were two and the next card revealed by deputy Commissioner Bill Daly is the winner of the two thousand nineteen and H L draft lottery. The first overall selection in the two thousand nineteen NHL draft belongs to the New Jersey Devils that leaves ratio Elliott Friedman general manager of the New Jersey Devils gracious after his big win number of media responsibilities. He had to attend to park some time for the thirty one. Podcast ratio a few moments after the New Jersey Devils won the lottery first overall. Well, this is a treat. Please welcome to the pike cast ratio. The general manager of the New Jersey Devils who will select first overall this year, the NHL draft half ask is it a lucky tie lucky pair of socks and he type of ritual or is it Taylor hall? What was the charm this time Ray, honestly, two things. Well, last time two years ago when we went went from five to one and then when I got interviewed right after tonight by Catherine Tappin hosted and she asked that question any like superstitions ties or coins, I'm like, Nope. And I didn't have any except that when I walked in that night, Katherine, and she was wearing a red jacket or something I said, well, maybe that's because she's from jersey, she went to Rutgers from jersey, she's my lucky charm. So he's tired tonight, orange jacket. And but I after when I said, it wasn't the orange jacket has just figure jersey girl was you know, so that was kind of the jersey thing and those superstitions. But it's an incredible thing for our franchise. And as you know, we had our press conference yesterday. And you know, the biggest need for the devils. I said was was more talent. And this certainly is a goes a long way toward the cheating that and plus with three second round picks to third round picks. And so we have ten picks. And anyway, that's that's awesome. And but the lottery have the Rangers up there in Chicago. And that was something that it was for the devils and looking forward to more those it's Hughes lock. He's rated number one in a lot of places and I've seen Jack play a lot. And you know, it's really proud to the USA hockey guy guess into see that the growth Nye game. And Jack, I've known his father for a long time. Jimmy, and and again, I know proclamations, but I think. I said that the chance to draft someone Jackie is fantastic. And now we have that chance, and we'll see and this is the first year that obviously the draft lottery has been moved up right after the season before it was much later after the eighteenth and so forth. So I think is a great thing. And I know so many tax mention calls already gotten and. I mean, there's cows are obviously so excited, and it's a great thing. And we'll see what happens in June. But as I say, yes, I'll say the the chance to draft someone like Jack is is fantastic franchise. And there's some great players in at the top. And as always say, there's there's a hall of fame player in the draft everywhere. That's not going to be the first round there'll be some there. But we some of the six hundred always happens, and that's up to our scouts, the find it, and but again, great for us and the ability of slacked, I for us and get this going again when the camera pans you, and you were introduced you're laughing at something it was it was Luc Robitaille next to me because they show Ken, Holland for some reason, I look at it. Kenny was said something about Kenny. And then I started laughing, and then came onto me, I'm laughing, and I look they Kenny and also it goes the Lucan he's just straight face. And he's the one the crack jokes, and I was laughing, and it was it's it's. Move back. And if you do you do and you'll see a team like Colorado from one to four twice now. But seeing what Colorado's done, and they got a great player in car coming and Josie when Lieven to go to a playoff game during great shape, they're going to be right player. And what's it start getting down there? And so on jumps up that that high and we're picking third. That's when you really started getting nervous. And that's what I think it was standing we're up there when he we're standing there waiting, and he is holy cow. It wasn't till that nervous in Jeff Gordon. Same like holy cow. They like, you know, you're kind of preparing yourself for not that. But when those get closer, you get pretty nervous, I can recall in two thousand seventeen having a conversation with you. And you talked about a certain point in the season. You said to yourself una need to get my eyeballs on some of these kids, I need to get out there and see them was there a point this year. We said yourself it's important for me to be on the road in the ring seeing these kids that I did it was it was posted line trade deadline. That I did that again. And I'll it does. It's very helpful to. I'd say just as I said the teens this being before that the tournament because I don't know Kako is going to be there the world champions instead. But. For every team, you know, knowing what do you have in the first round. But seeing those kids there, I think it's really good. And then, you know, the world champs at, but it's really helpful to have it earlier. It is good. It's after the deadline to get out the road and podcast amateur scout. And it's a bunch of games. It was it was really good in the reconnecting just on the images ampler scouts from our team. But from different teams and see these players, you know, but once you start picking him and over on your scouts. You're in trouble. But it was nice to get out there and see it, you know, last year was actually better because I didn't have the opportunity to do that because we were fighting for a playoff spot made it so that was better. It's been a quite a week for you ready contract extension. And now the number one pick and the natural draft. Congratulations. Thank you very much, Elliot. I appreciate that. And Josh David Blitzer, our managing partners and very thankful. What they've when they hired me and certainly faith in what we're doing. And so that was good. And I'm glad they actually announced yesterday because we don't want a lottery. On that'd be. Tiny might have been good. Yes. On the way the lottery is you? We were planning our last game and in Florida, and we played actually played. It was great to see Carolina Jala game on Thursday and Carolina. They made the plus three to one empty net was a game and see that crowd again. And I they made us no nine Pittsburgh, let me finals and for Dell. And and then you go to Florida and that tornado really competitive teams two teams that were out to nothing three one. They came back and tied it and it can't help read. Well, if we do this, and he does that. That's not the way it works. I mean, your players wanna win and they tied at three three though. And then they shot the puck over the glass with twenty seconds left. And we went on a power plant one and that lower chances. But I think the way it turned out we would have been too. And if we had been to then we wouldn't have one you know, what I mean? So anybody says that? Three to move down right to five. So so we won the game away. Guys played hard. It was great to see. And and we got the number one pick. So the whole idea players or teams like you can't control it. And this is how it goes. And as they say it's going to be what it's going to be. And I'm glad it was what it was. Well, Ray you've got more media. Do congratulations. Great work for you. And you know, the Yankees when they were dominant. They had a system starter went seven innings, and then Mary Rivera came in the last two, so Andy Pettitte ratio. Thank you very much for going. The first seven I'm gonna turn it over to Hugh ever the team president for the last two. For rain. Thanks very much. Congratulations. So we're gonna continue the interview with whoever the president of devils in your in the room. So you're not allowed to have a cellphone, right? No. So it's like it was my first time at the NHL doing this back of house experience for the lottery, and I tell you it's more like jury duty than it is, you know. Fancy stuff that rig to do sitting on stage and getting kind of all the fancy stuff. But so, yeah, they take your cell phone. They put it in an envelope. As if it's like toxic or something they put it in a drawer, and then you sit in a room with a bunch of accounts. They draw the balls up. They literally hand you a sheet with a thousand number combinations on it of which you can't keep track. So it's not like, bingo, and they read off or numbers that I had no clue what they were. They said what's the New Jersey Devils combination? So they actually went I and so at that point, you know, it's kind of like what everyone's getting Christmas. Can't tell them, you know. So you're just you're stuck in this room and you're super excited, but you don't wanna be too excited because you got your peers around you who are do. Handy for chill. Yeah. So it was really cool experience. But a great day for the franchise as you mentioned. It's a wonderful day for the New Jersey Devils wonderful day for you wonderful day for a wonderful day for everyone in the organization. Who's texted you so far? Oh my God. There any surprises. There are surprises. Long-lost aunts and uncles never wanted. No. I mean, it's like this is what's great about these types of events as they transcend, just the sport there, you know, newsworthy beyond anything else. So yeah, it's gonna be a fun night organizations work super hard. As Ray said, our coaching staff are scouts even our ticket sellers. We've had people I've been texting twenty prepare for tomorrow for what we think is going to be a lot of excitement with our fan base. So busy night and good night. Right. Kind of busy. You want your organization for sure? So this is the second time three years, you're gonna have the number one pick your focused, obviously business. What does winning the lottery do for the business of NHL team for those teams that are not fortunate to make the playoffs which are really the narrative you're trying to get across your fan base. Is that you've got a plan that you got hope? Right. So they actually is a reason that we're doing what we're doing. So it was important yesterday. When. We did our press Ville ability that we raise extension that. This was not a fluke that we took a step back or we're disappointed in the year. And that we're going to change course, it was important that even with during the mid year when the season wasn't necessarily going as planned that we extended John Heinz. We have a plan. We know we're sticking to it a lot of work and diligence around it and yet it's hard for our fans tangibly to see that. Right. They say, okay, great. You know, raise here. John's here, we we like them too. But what are you guys going to do? Are you gonna spend it free agency? You're going you're going to build to the draft. How you doing it? And so this is just a real more tangible way that are fans go holy heck. And so my Twitter account everything else is blowing up. So it's obviously, you know, something they feel really emotional about. And our fans deserve it. Kennedy. Does this make it easier? You mention the offseason and free agency. When you have a first overall pick as Elliot mentioned Nico shirk couple years ago. And now we all suspect it'll be Jack use is that make it easier. Do you think for a to go shopping in the off season? So I think what we talked about over the long term. It's been building assets that Ray can can go out and build a team. So we know that you have to do it in the right order. Josh Harrison, David butcher have been very explicit with Ray, which was like we'll spend you just tell us when and how and what we need to do. The fact was is that when they took over four years ago, you know, what we had in our system necessarily didn't fit what we wanted to be future. So to actually walk through our entire every player over the last four years and look at what he's done to change is one thing. But to do it off the ice as well. Raise got about eighty five people on staff, and I would say ninety five percent of Merle been there since he's been there. So there's been a lot of investment analytics. Sports science. You know, scouting doubling the staff all that stuff is really critically important, but Ray has been really diligent saying, listen when the time is right. We'll go find those free agents. We've seen him do it in the trade, you know market. And I think what he's going into this draft is, you know, he's got ten picks in a really solid draft. He's got the number one pick. He's a smart guy. He's he likes optionality. And so I think that this is again an important summer for us. But I think it's one that's building upon things. We've already done how long were you in that room? After you knew you had the pick took an hour and a half felt like about six days. I wanted to shout. It was like before the show even started on air. We were already done. And so they're nice enough to provide some snacks and some things. But yeah, it's brutal described the conversations. Staring. The most daggers. It's funny because there's everyone is appreciative of the fact that they're not going to, you know, steal your joy. But but at the same time, I don't on the other side as well. We all have where you're expecting hoping that you'll get at least what you're you've been granted by the draft water, but doesn't always fall that way. So it's nice. When it does doesn't again like Elliott mentioned and through the New Jersey Devils organization congrats to you Ray look forward to June in Vancouver as you do as well. We'll see in a couple of months, congratulations. Thanks very much. There's no way like Rivera. There's no way Ray. Thank you my job. Terminator. Well. Okay. That was great and nice closer reference there. Well, then Elliott Friedman wanna thank all of our guests dropping by today. Del talent GM with the Florida Panthers. Jim Benning GM of the Vancouver Canucks. Chase in Bochum seem of the Buffalo Sabres ratio. Congratulations. Again, New Jersey general manager of the New Jersey Devils and devils presidents, Hugh Weber. We will leave you with on by the way, thanks for sticking. If you're hearing me right now, thanks for sticking with us. This was wrong podcast this. When was a marathon, we knew it'd be big and all these gems were very gracious with their time. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 122: Featuring Taylor Hall, Johnny Walker and Tyler Busch

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 122: Featuring Taylor Hall, Johnny Walker and Tyler Busch

"Everybody. Welcome to episode one hundred twenty two of spin chickens, presented by new Amsterdam. Nice Sunday night here. Let's say Hello to the fellas before we dive in things I but to produce producer down the city might Anneli. What's up, brother? It's going on guys a little college hockey in this episode. So I'm a little excited. Yeah. Couple issue guys coming on the pod. So it should be good one. I get those pitchforks up or biz caused them the shocker next. I boy biz. Where are you right now? All I'm backing Zona. We're going to get we're gonna get to my fun little trip. I just experienced. We'll get to that later. I don't wanna. Okay, good. I thought I saw you in a different state on Instagram night. I'm curious they head out myself and last, but certainly not least Buddy Ryan Whitney what's up dog. What's called on biz questions about that? And that guy we talked a lot of shit about that clown. I think you talk more shit about I'm out more. I thought he could make the coast. I was I was playing hockey with them, boys. Feed him some one timers. He's not that bad. Freak athletically. I bet he probably could play better than me, stronger ankles. That's for sure. I will get to that a little later. But after we got I coach canning of the year and biz man, you have the scoop on this on the Schuylkill yet some Intel what but joint Stevens fired as coach of the Los Angeles Kings today, I wrongly after a win using coaches get canned after Las he was can't after win. What what's your take biz? Man. You saw this coming. Yeah. I mean, that's obviously too good of a lineup for the startup start of the season. They've had. John Stevens Zoe always been nice to me. I guess my opinion on is is he he's very much like Sutter. And I don't think gang around the rink is a lot of fun. It's very structured and Orioli. It's yeah. It's a little dull, and that's a fun group of guys, and you know, every day, they're harping on systems and. I just think it was time for a change because you know, eighty two game schedule boys, you gotta have fun, and they just weren't providing a lot of offense. I think that that system maybe wearing guys down physically they play they play a hard game. And they limit the other team's chances. I mean analytically they've looked good over the last couple of years. They don't allow many good quality scoring chances. You know, they play a good five man unit. But the way then each else going, it's just a lot more speed involved in. I mean, you saw a team Anaheim they've tried to adapt to they completely change the way they do things. Obviously things haven't worked out unbelievable for them to start the year as possession wise and shot wise. I think they've been getting smoked, but I think it's time to move away from the old old time thinking on the way it should be played. I think some new blood in there with Willie DJ is going to be nice for them. And I still believe in that group of guys I've talked about it. I like a lot of them in in that locker room, and they're they're winners. And. That they can turn this around a merely curious to see his sometimes you will see the occasional coaching shakeup and teams actually catch fire. I mean, it's like it's almost like they were like get out of the room. I'm not saying this Stevens. But they're just they've tuned him out. And then guys start getting going and confidence clicks, and I'm much. I mean, it could happen with them. But biz like you're saying, they're they're they haven't played quick. Now. I don't know if they if that's been the style that Stevens was really kind of one that wanted them to be playing or it's just that. They don't have that quick of a team. So I think of San Jose playing LA right now. And I just see him out skating him. I just picture never getting the loose the king. So maybe the coach, which is it up. But it's one of those things right now, we're Rob Blake sick. And you can't you can't trade everyone. You can't fire. The players you have fire fire the coach. How many years even the last year of his deal too? You know, I agree with you. And it could be a mixture of both. But you know, from my time I spent on in your organization, he coaches, very similarly to to Sutter, and they're not really stretching out the ice much. It's always a five man unit. Always coming back inside the dots. Now opening up when you're not spreading things out your little little easier to defend and I think that everyone just kinda knows their system now. And when they do catch fire when they're playing well-structured hockey, and they're they're getting the goaltending, especially. Yeah. That's when they're very difficult to be. But if they don't get it. They can't get it done in net. And now quickies down for a little bit. Imagine he's going to be gone at least for four weeks. It's tough for them because they just can't produce the offense and shadow to whoever really made the final decision. I guess it's a book, you know, other people are always involved in firing coach, but they did it after a win. So he probably had off. Fuck I needed that win. All boys is thank you say that we think it begs boys I needed that one. It's still gets gassed those the old fake. We had a plan for Sunday. No matter what happened in the game. You guys wonder if maybe there's a chance that Stevens is a bit of a fall guy hair. Like this rosters just not up the snuff. It doesn't matter. I mean, that's kind of what I was getting at net. If it does change, you know. All right. They were sick of or they didn't like style. But if it doesn't you gotta think Stevens apply watched them looking at it. Like, I what else did you want me to do? I think that they're better than what they've showed. So it was it was it was what they what they what they really had to do as a team. I mean, you can't let this get too out of control, and it's right on its way right now. But you said that this is potentially last year of his deal. I don't know. No that honor. Nelly. Get on that if you can. Yeah. But I mean, but if it is I mean, what's the point you might as well, try shake things up now to salvage season doesn't seem like the guys responding to his systems or or the voice in the locker room. And and I'll say this guy's in today's day and age if you're not a players coach, I don't want to say guys turn on your quick. It's just all of a sudden there's some some some conflict and especially with the age of that locker room. There's a lot of strong voice in in there for guys who have gotten the job done. So, you know, sometimes it's you gotta pick the players over the coach. I mean, that's usually always the case. But especially in a scenario like this. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, they had seven years Dowell Sutter, and they only had ninety five games. That's all Stevens. Got. He got all of last season thirteen games this season. So I don't know if he was on a two year deal three deal because what kind of coaches deja, Dan. What would you guys know about him? If anything I don't nothing about him. I know that he's always had a winning record. He's never had a losing record since he was head coach in the NHL. But I just think that like I said, the two coaches Sutter and then Stevens. Were very similar. I mean Stevens was his assistant coach when they want it. So I imagine that was the exact same things being reinforced Dane and day out and that just dried out. Yeah. I I don't know much about will days are down. I do know that guys love playing for him that I talked to. I don't think he's, you know, full blown players go doesn't get mad at guys think you hold people accountable, very intense. But I've heard guys really joy plan for him. So I mean, he's gonna have to switch things up though. You know, that's the coach comes in the next day is all new lines. You know, he's got govern meetings with players saying, listen, we're starting over here. I mean, I could think when -tarian came in when adult check was fired my rookie year. I mean, those were bad meetings. He came at you mother fucker I seen how you play piece shit time is over I'm now playing like a real man you fucking pussy. So I don't think that meeting days are Dan will be like that. But go spice ADA guys you gotta get going little bit. Yep. So there's a big first coaching five of the I'm sure they'll be more because this is the L one other quick note. Michael Sturm also named as one of the assistance for deja, Dan. Great little player when he was around knowledge shifting gears to somewhat thousand game accomplishments. This I wonder if this is a record for the most thousand games that plays of chief. No one season. We've already had Duncan Keith Thomas built Cannock Ryan Suter Jason Spencer. And since I last show defensemen Ron Haney on Toronto and buffalo Ford Jason Palmdale. Each got the thousand game over the last several days. So like, you say Manhattan hats off to these guys were able to get a whole thousand games in the league. Yeah. I think Ron Haines eases. A New England guy from Connecticut played at Lowell in college was a high pick by the Canadians, but an awesome players. Great skater could move the puck, and as his NHL career went along changed almost into a PK guy. And. Kind of shutdown defense. And it's making great decisions real veteran on the Toronto Blue line now. So congrats them on an amazing career. I mean, that's just someone that I think about right away. When when you listen to those names because growing up he was two years old. Maybe I always heard about you know, playing hockey in his teen. So congrats to him. And all these guys I wonder actually what the record is. It's a good question. If we can get somebody on that fuck that's all in the playoffs at NHL network Elias sports bureau sends a guy to like hang out watch games every night and just comes up with stats every second thing stat he'd know right away, you know, right away. How many guys play thousand games in one year RA's are Rainman? He's got all the stats, but I got a couple here actually, two more guys that are coming up here Brooks, or peck, he's at nine ninety two and Dion enough who's probably gonna get there before him at nine ninety four a couple of other ones, boys. This is a fun fact only four percent of players who play one NHL game. End up cheating thousand game milestone. So that's, but we talk all the time. I will how strong of a crop. There was in the mid eighties that were players born sorry in the mid eighties. I did a little research here of players born in eighty four eighty five. They're currently eighteen of them with eight hundred fifty games played or more nineteen if you clued Dustin buffalo and sitting at eight thirty nine so that's that's a lot of guys in that those two to birth years that are prepared in the next few years at will probably hit the thousand game. I talked about that oath redraft that I was part of a majority of those players are eighty fives. Yeah. And the two thousand three draft which we talk about is was the greatest draft of all time. If you ever if you ever looking wanna look at a draft check that thing out in the names, but by believer, Berge on shave, Weber we're second rounder. So yeah, that makes sense that that I mean that means that there could be. A year in the near future where there is ten twelve guys that get two thousand in the same season. So maybe maybe record that we're ensuring will be broken. A. Not sure if you guys having to catch that graphic that was floating around Twitter from the two thousand two Buffalo Sabres training camp. They had five guys there in three the TV analysts one of them's the save GM and the last one Pomodoro is still playing because rod raising analyst Andrew pitas is an analyst my Tam Rana's Jason Botterill as the GM, and he's still slugging along I'll sixteen years later. So so coolest upon Ville still getting their done as he added to talks to that game. It was game celebration. So it was thousand first game. So how you say it's three points. I saw that on nine two. I believe got to feed them all all the second half of the game games. Try to get in the hat trick to England. Since palm Ville started playing alongside Jeff Skinner in Jack Eichel. They are the highest scoring line in the NHL Skinner with eight goals, five assists, palm Ville, seven goals, six assists. And with one goal, eleven assists. Palman Ville tourney back the clock. Over twentieth. Save is the twentieth. Hey grenell. You're savers over points was I mean that looks nice right now. It looks real nice eighty two. I got him at seventy nine and a half. That's good. Check. Love straight win calling. You a law. He's been good with the future bets. Lately. He had the Boston Red Sox at a pretty good number midseason. And speaking numbers RA, we've got a couple more signings in the NHL. Yes. The national predators. Just got Renate back off the injured reserve the other day, and they gave him a two year ten million dollar extension for the next two years after this one on little five million dollar average annual value pretty team friendly deal. What do you guys think of that one? I think it's a hell of a deal for the press. Who also we've talked about has great backup in sorrows. But how about Rene what what a what an athlete the guy goes outside? The ten million dollar contract comes off the iron on his birthday shut out. The bruins. I star. Just I mean, that's just Dave for yourself. Jesus christ. I couldn't have I didn't have a year career like that. Yeah. One day bay wit in our. Here's a little crazy fun fact for you guys. So when he signed his seven year extension. It was also on his birthday. I believe it was six years ago because he still has of course, this year left on his deal. Really? It was on his birthday, and guess what he got a shadowed against the Zona coyotes. So and now fast forward six years later, he gets a two year extension for ten million on his birthday plays that night against Boston off the I R and gets another shutout. So there's a little fun factory. I'm just full of tonight. He should sign contracts during the playoffs stall on big games. Maybe like a big game seven conference finals. Oh, already come with the heat when he's got his own goaltending. Issues to worry about with the Boston Bruins elax fucking get the lead safe in the league nine. I would I would call that a goal tending issue considering the starters not doing that. Two two. Good goals. I don't think that's ever a problem. L actors playing a lot better right now. All signed a nice deal are funny guy. We were talking about last year. Yanni good Tampa Bay. And I read up on this kid, man, he signed the six thirty one million dollar extension. Now, this is a kitty played four years in the queue never drafted. He's people in the age L for a couple of seasons and Tampa date Tampa Bay discovered. One of these undecided guys who some reason scouts teams ignore Tampa Bay brought him in last year. He added with eighty two games last year first complete season in the NHL twenty five goals during nine assists. He started off this year house afire, and they say, well, let's let's lock this kid up. What's interesting is a twenty five years old last year has I like full season in the NHL. But this looks like money well spent I know he's got a small sample size. But it's very good sample size. And now this looks like a good sign for Tampa. And they're making a lot of them. They seem like they keep dropping these team friendly contract extension with guys. And this is this is an actual awesome feel-good story Yanni, Gordon, and I mean now he set for life thirty one million thanks for coming on a big new. I mean, that's that's one that I made and look at my life. So I mean. Money. But think about this sketch spent a little time in the coast and biz you someone who also made it to the NHL plan the coast at so unlikely dude I mean, you see it a little bit a little more happened a little more often now, but still I mean, the odds are stacked against you that that's a that's a long with this guy. Never been drafted four years in the queue. I'm I wish I checked assuming one of those over age year, which is another thing. Most guys who play over a year junior. They're never making the NHL correct on that why just journeys law harder. Yeah. That's that's gonna die drafter fraternity. These guys get pushed down and keep in mind like when he was playing in the coast, you're still towards the era where they want a guys with size and now the game shifted towards more speed and pace. Of course that benefited him. But yeah, definitely a feel good story. And I mean similar to the tuck situation where you get a guy a little bit cheaper price giving them the long-term deal. He doesn't have to sign any type of. Bridge deal, and he gets to security, and I mean it may right now he's appointed game thirteen games in the season. And if he can maintain that, even if you're a sixty five seventy point guy NHL, I mean, that's a hell of a bargain. I keep reiterating it on the podcast to it such an advantage for these teams that are with in states with no state tax. Right. Did you see what I retweeted? No, no, no. I retweeted the video of you in Nashville. Jalen Ramsey, and then some kid responded Bizet factual with reminding us what state and national taxes have to do with the city play. I refute. He loves it. You did it right there. We talked about potentially NHL Justin it because it's such an advantage for ROY agree with you are usually I don't know if we have the same the same number of listeners. We did when I first time or the second time the third time, I've mentioned it. So I just wanted to every time a guy signs a state with no state taxes, Florida, Tennessee where on it. There's three guarantees in life. What's the saying three guarantees death taxes and something usually to death and taxes, but some have another three death taxes and meet reiterating that states that don't have state tax all remind you go through our tax related. It's going to be interesting notice what Tampa does moving forward. Like, the GM said, it's a good problem to have having a sign all these guys because they got almost thirty to roughly thirty two million tied up just four guys. Stamkos kucherov. Mcdonagh in headman. It's a lot of dove to four guys obviously the money. So you know, probably gonna have to they probably going to have to lose one of their regulars. Couple regulars to get line. Contract buys all of the next several months. But again, it's a good problem to have a lot of good players need to be paid every other every fan wish they had that issue, Mikey. We got some college talk coming up. We do we got a couple of Arizona state guys coming on both both to stugz they lead the team this year. We'll both lead team in points. Arizona state swag in this year, boys. It's pretty fun to watch. I mean the school that four years ago was playing club hockey. I mean, I played club hockey like that's joke. So it's now it's cool to see them playing big schools like Penn State, Ohio State. So I mean, I'm excited for the future of Arizona, state hockey. I think it's gonna be the mecca of college hockey. And we have a great interview here voice, pretty easy recruiting at ASU. We got Tyler Bush and Johnny Walker coming on. We're going to intro them right now. Hope you guys enjoy a little ASU action. This interview is brought to you by Dollar Shave Club. I love that Dollar Shave Club has everything I need to look feel and snow. Well, my best what I love even more is the fact that I'd never have to go to the store again. That's because dollarshaveclub delivers everything I need right to my door. And they keep me. Fully stocked. I wanna use. Oh, I don't run out. Here's how it works dollarshaveclub has everything you need to get ready. No matter what you getting ready for. They have you covered from head to toe for your hair is skin you face. You name it. They have it. 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I wanna welcome to the podcast few of my close friends now that I've been to my first ever college hockey game at ASU a few members of the sun devil hockey team who have had a very good start to the season seven three and the two scoring leaders of the team. We're going to join us Johnny Walker and Tyler Bush, welcome to the podcast, ladies and gentlemen. Going on. They said ladies, I don't know why the fuck I said that I thought you kind of chirp. Maybe Walker after that little canoe incident. We let's just jump right in. I don't know this incident, but he scored the OT winner against Penn State who I believe is ranked fifth in the nation right now, or at least were last week 'til ASU and spank them, and he scored the OT winner and a little canoe move. Cannot chime in on this case, I had a perfect view on the ice. What happened in the third period? We're up two goals at kid from Penn. I think you guys actually put it on your Instagram the kid from Penn State kicked out the puck like cross y'all and octave net. No. Who originally, you know, who did that? I all. Are you shit? No, no. The guy didn't weed out a funny tweet the guy lifted the puck up it was Mike leg on Michigan. Like ninety six think, you young guys aren't even know. Tuck was born in ninety six. Suck on that. Anyways, this guy. This guy goes all the way like Kelly of the red line like jackass gone right away. Johnny looks at me on the bench. And he goes let me scar. I'm gonna top that one. And sure Shetty gets breakway in overtime. And I see talk in any Sally's all the way down the I live on that. Of the fucking canoe was unbelievable. But but biggest win for our program and the great feeling, but yeah. Johnny stole the spotlight there. Well, Bush you're the one who sent in that pass, right? Buttery saw all the quick look. I mean, I'm not Ron never not on the far blue line. So he knows I'm always there. You guys you guys are currently one and two on the team in scoring. I mean hockey Beatty's a bit of a gong show when it comes to college hockey, but currently ten games played Walker. You have eleven goals that leads the nation. Yes. Eleven goals, six assists for seventeen points and bushy. I think you have four-goal seven assists for eleven points, which is one and two on the team and my correct? I think that's right. Wow. To banged up to remember celebrating that big win at Penn State. Fortunately, though game one there on the Friday. You guys had the lead going into the third period. And you guys ended up blowing it nice to compose yourselves. Come back Saturday and get that OT win. Yeah. It was a tough on those those kind of thing we had angry at a two-goal lead. And that's the top building day that crowd kinda get into it. They scored three and like seven seconds or something it was insane. But they're they're good team. But it's abound back. I mean, the top it off and overtime felt pretty good. But like she said it was a huge win for the program. So I wanna get in in a little bit into the kind of the start of the program because I have some questions my own show, the listeners do but quickly I'm curious you guys fly private or you on pigeon commercial flights when you travel. So actually that's a charter flight. We all. Being here. Guys pink wig split fuck on the way, home his. That good or what? Yeah. So so this one was chartered we I mean, the great school good funding, and and we flew right in and then flew right out after after Saturday's big win. But usually usually fly like you said what head in. But we we gotta bring it setup. And we're pretty well taken care of. Well, let's talk about how you guys got to d one which is a wild story. I was talking to your coach Gregg powers who's been there for this ninth season now, and he did an article with a kid at the school. And in one of the questions was what do you think it would take to get this program to d one? And he he said probably, you know between thirty and forty million dollars. And sure enough in that same week a silent silent donation of thirty two million dollars was offered to the school. And that's what the fucking ball rolling, which is which is an amazing story. And that's how it all got going. Correct. Yeah. It was. I think I think we kind of. No. But it's still supposed to be pretty silent huge donation, and definitely definitely jump-started jump started. What we have now. But quick quick story. I had a I had when they first committed the on. I I'm from Arizona. So obviously wanted to go here I down near bag. Great powers just to just to offer me anything plate this school. I think you finally just said, yes. Shut up. But. Are fundings. Unbelievable. And and obviously it's tribute to where we're headed. No did that have any kinda shape. You're in. I mean, I was unit. I. I got the picture. Graham, you got a huge barrel on yin and the phone all before when you're begging assign. You are in a body like milk bag wit. No. You look. Absolute unit. Six foot two thirty. Not a lot of backtracks. I was opening the lot all the time fence actually started as a defense. Then wasn't great. So we so your coach that business talking about his ninth year. And this is third or fourth year d one third. This is the fourth year three complete years doi-. Okay. Okay. So that means he spent a lot of time. I mean, have you talked to guys that were before you that played club that like new I think this guy's way beyond a club hockey coach. I mean, he could coach legit d one program. Did everyone always know. How smart he wasn't you guys? Really enjoy playing for him. Yeah. I'll turn that one to Bush. He was he was apart more that that Quebec miss fear when he first got here. So yeah. I mean, my fear. We still had like there was a bit of a turnover. We still had a handful of the club guys. I can't say enough about that group of guys they you know, they played two or three maybe or years a club hockey, and then and then got chance to play division wine. And you know, we struggled a bit that first year and. You know, such a good year for guys just wanted to be here, and you know, kind of build the foundation here for us. And like, you said, our coaches is, you know, he's he's great with with motivating us to be the best. We can. And you know, he's done such a good job or crusading. And that's our whole coaching staff. And you know, they've traveled all over North America and Europe and recruited a great group of guys. And I think we're finally starting to see, you know, the six ASO, you know, after a couple of years of, you know, not shovel the bit. But you know, just kinda granted through it. Now are starting to see results. So just being here to see the whole thing unfold. So what is the crowd like for you guys? And pretty sure that back when it was club a club program. They were still getting thousands of game, right? I think we're maxed out at a thousand range. Is that what you guys are at Grenell? What are you all they can fit whole must be sick atmosphere, though? I mean aims fucking hate playing there. And and we kind of feed off that they I mean, you got you got, you know, all those all put the from B U and be that. Yes. You we like us. Wait, we we could fit thousand people in our weight room. Never scored a goal from the gym. Yeah. I know body. No. But it's it's a tight rank. And I mean, they do they do fill fill people in there. And I I love playing there. I know there's a lot of talk about a rain coming soon. But. We use it as an advantage. I mean, not a lot not a lot of teams when it come in and play there. And I think we played better there. We've played at healer river a couple times and not not as good result. So we we use at your badge. And and just make the most of what we got. Now, you just said that a new rank is is could becoming now is that something they're killing recruits like when they're recruiting them. Like, we have a new arena on the way, you know, our facility going to upgrade facilities 'cause I mean the ring doesn't look like it's a division. One rank. No, it's it's actually the the rank I grew up playing might hockey. And so it kind of bolt circle. But yeah, there I think it's I think it's pretty pretty close to come out. And. It's right around the corner. I I'm sure they're gonna be breaking ground soon. So I mean once once on this program gets gets a rank I be pretty hard to turn down AirAsia state, vigilant hockey and the whole atmosphere with with rank on top of it would they put the rink on campus. Or would it be off campus? It'd be on campus. Yeah. Which means you can't booze. Right. Is that the rule some campuses? You think they I think they just changed the rule where you can actually sell boos at at college college sports, as you know, better than me. But I'm off the pissed boys. I've been just over two months sober. But. Enough of the loser. Talk on my end a little backstory through when when before you guys at turned d one there is four year stretcher. You guys went the national championship as a club Ocoee team. Finally in the third year of going you guys ended up or ASU ended up winning it. Obviously that probably had a lot to do with the fact that people were starting to take the program there a little bit more seriously. Yeah. I mean, they they have great teams are that great club program going here. And a lot of those guys are still around here. And and, you know, pop in and other basal, so obviously. You know, a lot of history there and not like you said, I think that has big part of of I we went division one. And you know. You know, those guys just being around. They kinda you know, support our what were here. And and the fact that you end division one, I think really really sites those guys in the back, but hockey on stay in, you know, it's pretty cool relationship between Nelson those guys played club. Where do you see the program in ten years? Like, I've been saying for months now, I would love to see a pack twelve in college hockey, you know, USC UCLA Oregon Washington schools like that do you see do you see you guys writing this out as independent joining a conference sometime soon like where do you see the future of the program? Yeah. Well, I know like UNLV they're they're trying to they're trying to replicate what we're doing. I know USC UCLA have good club programs and everything my brother's, actually he's playing hockey here. Not on the pod. But he he can actually skate this way. Better skater me. I told him by the time but time he's eighteen nineteen like this programs can be lights out on once as a rank. How like I said earlier how how would you ever say no to that airs ONA, and then and then what what you could accomplish as a hockey player hair to is just no other place compare. So and then I especially when UNLV and and I think those other teams get on board. I think it's eventually going to be some pretty special down down in the south here. Well, you guys you kind of bring up what I'm really interested. And I've told my story of my official visit on the gas before I won't go into it again. But you know involves Megan crushed Buchanan's just old. School things back in two thousand two thousand one. But what are you doing now? And I've heard the pool scene at ASU. Is it true? The dorms of pools, and the rockets they in around. I mean, you have became walking around the pool. How does it go to school like this? It's up be you either. Walk don't call mave and you cold the shit. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty sick anything away from the rank like you spend, you know, two three hours a day. But then you go home. And I mean like you said my my freshman year. We basically lived on resort. We got a pool and. You know, the way I see it. Like, we kind of get a bad rap at climbs. And people think oh, you Arizona stations the party school. But it's like a matter where you're going to school. You know, Minnesota Michigan Alaska, you know, every college team parties, and how's it time and and picture spas? But you know, the way I see I think just our party a little bit better. Probably we probably have better better than girls. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's a great place to live at the great place to play hockey. And I think like Johnny said the program it's going to take off especially once we get new civility in Iraq and everything Johnny rumor has it. They made you eat a salad for the first time on your school. Visit. No, actually, Michelob ultra balsamic vinaigrette. At that time, I actual- visit which was unofficial how to pay for myself. I they told me stay away from the cheese. Burgers, and pizza wasn't worth it anymore. Still about two ten there. I dropped twenty pounds. But I I am worried to do a few of the boys walk, especially Grenell might nor more. The story talked to us about scrapping with was at Michigan Tech's head coach last year. Like what happened give us the whole or from the beginning? So it actually started we played that biggest tournament. Which we won also not not a big deal. Then so we played them once there, and then we started to Michigan tech, not no pigeon flight. And then so we played a couple of games there. First first night points. And then the the second night I had to and and almost as ridiculous Selley as I had the other night right at their band and their coach. Maybe headed out for me. So we were we were down like two two goals at the end to end of the third. We pulled our goalie and there's like a little bit of scrap. So I figured I'd star the pot. I skate over their bench. Lina against their bench like total Astle. And their coaches just eight got a foot over the boards like foot on the boards. Ripa me. I look back. And I said, yeah, I'd be pissed too. All my points came against you guys. And he kind of eat snapped a little bit. And then with like, two seconds left. I I try to take a run at one of their kids. Yeah. The pocket I figured might as well. Get my first head of the season and dodge it a little bit. And there was like kind of a bra, and I was getting back, and I look over and their coach is at hall and across the I. Math AMIS coming right? At me. I'm like, what's he gonna eat can't hit me like you can't do anything. And then I look over our pension, Alex, our coach. I just see him like like absolutely fly over the board. He's got to be four feet over the boards running onto the I I he played played in the show for while had a few fights. And I've never seen a scarier luck. Like it was completely blank. There is not you guys. You guys put it on fitting check. Let's, but it was there was just nothing like, no one home and try to rip it, Pat. So it was it was kind of nice to get under his skin a little bit. But I think I think we won the the season series, which is which is a bit nicer. So a patch it up after like there been any communication or phone calls since that incident. No, I actually played against played with their assistant coach, and he came up like hugging me during the big brawl Johnny like, you can't be doing that stuff. You know like you. You can't do that. You know, you can't do that. And I'm sitting there thinking like that's why you guys pick me two years ago. Like you loved it two years ago. And now, you're on the other side and hate it. But I think I think our coach called called them Bush league. And I mean like I said we won the season series. So we'll we'll take we'll take the less on that. That's pretty good story right there. That's for college hockey. I mean, that's as good as but pretty Cup of the cage on. Oh. Yeah. Who is it man? I was tough shit talk until I if I tell you nothing protect my face and guys ready to punch my head. For people who don't know a team, many, yours happens to be Mario Lemieux, son. And I dunno guy roommate? Oh, so what's that like trying not to grill the kid with questions? You always ask about his dad because that's just someone that, you know, everyone wants to meet if they've ever played hockey. So a little flashback to to the other podcasts where best talked about the wing. He he wake me before that game that you're and then he ranked at me again to wings, which is more than your one week. But it is it is unbelievable. It just it rains like it's like like heaven's gates just open world's Larrea rate. Yeah. It's just like it's just him and space and his wing. It's just it's unbelievable. So I actually just met him yesterday. Austin great. Great kid super nice. He he's like seem to go up to my dad, just say what's up? I don't think you understand it just doesn't really work like that. I don't think real you'll mute gives this shit. What what I have to say. So I kind of stay away, but I met him yesterday. And I couldn't get away fast enough before I said something stupid. But you know, a lot of kids, you know, they grow up maybe a little spoon fed and Austin so down to earth and great hockey player. I think that a lot of people were kind of looking down on them. And and maybe compared him to tomorrow, which I mean like what who's gonna fill those shoes anyways. But is a great kid and great hockey player. It's it's good to have them on the ice this year. And it's something special living to the clouds scare the shit out of them all the time. The jump faster. So yeah. Just just hiding under sped grabbing his leg. I think he's gonna have a heart attack. Oh, jeez. That's torture for the poor kid. Hey, you know, first time, I I'm I'm hoping your first time meeting Morio wasn't similar to mine. So so hung over. I had to go throw up right after I met a moat side melon arena. I feel like I feel like it's like getting knighted when he winks at you. That's his version of it. Like, he like gives you the, wink. And then you need like ten winks to be knighted you guys like to in one year, plenty to go before you get knighted by got my second one at the game when I strolled in and they gave me that fancy parking lot at the back of the rink, which I was like what they must think. It's Shane don't come in or something. So what was that about? Johnny was it you who was taken the piss to this next to in the locker room. Yes. So I'm mounted up. I got the tripod look going. I got the hand on the wall. Can't he just nervous pets, and then I look over. I see absolutely disgusting shoes. So ugly. Like jackass who says look over its you on like, no way they'll way. So that's why you had standing arm. My presence. I mean, you talk about your ranch enough. It's got a lot of hype. And I dunno skin too. Yet. These business owners get lit up on the fucking redo the intro. I'm afraid party or. But yeah, I looked over. I was like holy shit. It's as I don't know what I said. But I mean, I hated them. I I wasn't a fan of state at all. But then you laugh, and I look back like three the boys looking at me. Like, what are you serious? Like what like how why is he in here? What's going on dry? I guess I guess our issue John laughing or kind of rolled out the red carpet for you. Like you said. Oh, yeah. I Joe Rogan actually call me he wanted to put my dick on fear factor when it. I declined. I didn't want everyone. No secret Tyler kind of funny that you actually de committed from Ohio State that was a game. I went to is there eighty eight. Well, no, not really party with ASU girls. It was there any animosity on the ice. Or is that kind of boiled over? A little bit. But my first year we actually played them. And I was kinda like the the big game that I was looking forward to and we ended up splitting with them on the road. So that was kinda like my, you know, my final light get pretty pretty humble brag y'all so talk tonight game late late goal the tight off. Yeah. I mean, you know, the way I look at it. Like, I I never went there. I never stepped foot on campus. And I don't buy, you know, the past the past, and, you know, the decision I made by non happy with bottom hair and integrates ball. Like, I said, so. Yeah. I don't I don't look at it that way and we tough series with them in their early team. But you know, the way we're playing I think, you know, I couldn't be more happy to be right now. And and I'm really excited for the future. Here. I does Mario's kit ever flex the Mario card guy takes run on these like buddy, you're never gonna play hockey again. I don't think you have what? And boys. I got a little proposal for you. If you could somehow talk Austin into getting Mario on the podcast. We we the spit in triplets crew would pay for your guys rookie party. Do you think that's possibility? Pretty pig. NC double violation. Guys gas that they'd be done, dude. So I think we just got a bully. Mario into getting on the pie. Because anyway, anyway, you guys can do it like be like, dude. I'll stop scaring daddy go in the podcast, and we'll get a bunch of. He just sit there and wink, anyway, like he has nothing to say just wake it. We'd have the content guy gets. Gets. Awake. That'll be a shirt, three seconds. Yeah. We'll if you guys bring it up on the pod a shot him out. But I'll I'll talk to him right now. Maybe we'll just have him in RA do content with the Instagram filters. What was that? All is yet. That was a tough one. We're gonna talk about talk to podcast safety about that one. But boys, we're going to wrap. This thing up. 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You know, they just kinda leave out that it wasn't D one. When they did it. A love played there early in the glovebox is loving this. But boy something that we need to discuss. I hate to bring it up RA what happened with that Instagram filter video you are getting heat online fans. I mean, I don't I don't know what to people need to know. P. You guys want me to play the video real. Let's let's hear the audio. Yeah. It makes you don't play level puke again. Be two. The. Day two. Oh, let me tell you quickly before. I get your explanation. I mean, I went to bed early and I wake up, and I got text and tweets in. What is this? What the fuck, and I watched it and right when I saw the filter you had on my son was in my arms. I almost dropped him. I said book away, and I didn't want him to see what you look like singing. What was that? It's fun. I thought actually gonna get throat with you guys forgetting, honestly, I was going to go doing Instagram live. I like doing that like taking questions from the listeners and stuff. It's it's pretty fun doing on that. And I was I'm still kind of an Instagram newbie as you know, and I was scrolling through and I was fucking around the filth is. And I just hit the I hit the one with the fucking dog is come up and they hit the next one in right? When I see I started laughing because I thought like Marilyn Monroe, and like my buddies to do that like as a joke, you would sing like that mala Monroe. That's what I was singing. You said you called this Mr President, Whitney, it's actually happy birth. But it was making fun of not making imitate Mel Marilyn Monroe from that famous scene wishy, basically cuts JFK and Frenna Jackie O when she sings happy birthday, and that self voice, I did it. I was going to send it to my friend. And I watched it, and I was fucking laughing so much like fucking, man. I'll just put it out that even mama wit you. So big, right? I mean, not really won the foliage one. Do I thought you might have been on like the hard drugs? No. I just I was freshly baked I was out looking at the physios. It was like it was backup, but the lights lit up and the police looked real nice. I was like this is cool. Isis. Fuck man. I'll make an Instagram video there got twenty four hours. Hano foul. Good. Plus, I love freaking people out, man. Little Mick Jagger, David Bowie and drudge, and he gets gets people that allow a little we had for some reason. Okay. Well, you nailed it you freak the lot of people out. But I'm gonna say three things three things. I think wits little jealous because you became a content guy. That's just me. Never never that only helps that I don't know. I don't know already your contact guy. You posted a couple of videos, and your, hey, it doesn't matter what they say about it as long as they're watching in the money's gonna roll in the more. You throw it those weirdo videos. I trust me. I know that. Well, I think Instagram's maybe showing that there's a side you people don't know. Like, I think you do some weird shit like. And I mean, there's a sign that back. But I think you do some weird shit now. Instagram people starting to see maybe how fucked up you really are kinda. Well, there is something that they don't know that he was actually gold dust. He retired. Now. He's just he needs us fix, right? Right. All right. Yeah. Little little gold last action. No, I'm guessing a lot of people didn't even realize it was it was kind of an an Omar Marilyn Monroe than anything. That's all. I completely just singing that song. But you got because not many grown men make homogeneous to Marilyn Monroe. Well, that's that's why I'm unique man now. And that is probably a pretty good point Nellie. Maybe if the women saw that they were like, oh, Maryland rears doing Maryland. I get it. But the men were just confused and already the last point I was gonna make even after all the negativity. You got you still kept that fucking video up for the. There ain't no chance. And I commend you on that. You didn't let them bully you off Instagram and I'm proud for that. So you're you're a soldier soldier, my friend. Thanks once Klein is in how the internet works. I've been on Basel forever. I know things fall to the graven. It's a fucking Instagram felt it's silly fine. It's goofing around. I thought it was funny again, if I didn't think was funny. I wouldn't put it out there. I love the ripple effect that kind of caused, but yeah, I know it's going to stay there. I'm sure twenty years from now I'll still be getting fucking twenty s the people just think things to head and it will come to head. That's probably how the internet will be back in another decade or so, but yeah, it was fun, man. No Hano foul. I'm sure it'd be plenty more witness that came from I hope while you're an MVP and my books and speaking of envy, PA's, you have failed or fucking hall and. Before we get to have a bone to pick with Halsey you heat your guts, he was making fun of my fucking eagle energy swipe up average and all that business. Let me just tell you hall Z winter, I spend the summer with Adam Oates making my fuck and comeback. I'll be sucking those eagle energies on the bench next season, the National Hockey like Lovie sucks back those Dr peppers. I'm skating circles around the entire league. So you better watch out. Mr. MVP 'em come for that ass, bro. So fucking. Oh. And speaking of Taylor hall eagle energy is going to be back next episode. They bought back into the ad reads. I am pumped. They still got the twenty promo code pump. And so all you eagle energy lovers or people who haven't tried it give it a test. I'll be throwing a swipe up on my Instagram so halls -i. This one's for you, buddy. And we're going to send it off to you now but fucking eagle energy baby. 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Oh, yeah. Used? Yeah. Is this is this? Are you still am I under attack for my comments about Nate? Mckinnon. No, no. I'm just trying to get it to all. We love you have it. I hope you never forget that he wanted to know. I all remember that day. I'd I. You are long metal. So I went to the NHL media day, and I was doing a segment calls what's in the box and halls. You are not down with that. No. If anyone seen this. I mean, it wasn't what I expected. I actually a live animal to be in there. But I'm just I'm not down with exotic red piles and all this stuff that guys were doing that was not mean so sorry about that. Oh, that's fine. No. But I would have put a reptile in that box. If you did it. You would have more because another time another time you kind of snub me was at the NHL awards. When I was there, not a big deal. And and you collected that beautiful piece of hardware. When I didn't do your top golfing. Yeah. I asked I asked Halsey to do a little top golf. Actually, I had to settle for. Brayden mcnabb. Same thing. Well, I'm inside a lot going on. I mean, the pool's up a lot of my time. So. Really wasn't able schedule. So actually, I'm curious because we haven't even talked and so long what you're I could see you just panicking before the speech. Gimme what's going through your head when you want, and then you actually have to talk. You did a sick job. But I was shocked. I was shocked to was almost like welfare old school. You know, you just like a deep breath after you're done. And so, but no, honestly. A whole speech written out and in the awards were going and going through awards or the last ones kind of actually early. Remember when the lengthy was. But I knew I wasn't winning the Lindsay. So it's more about the heart folk than anything and guys were going up there to do their acceptance speeches, and knowing was reading from a piece of paper their phone or anything like that. So I kind of panicked, and I, you know, every commercial break I'd bring out my speech, and I'd memorize part of it, and I managed to memorize kind of the whole thing. But there's still parts of it that I left out. I didn't really spend as much time thanking my teammates as I would have wanted to. But I kind of old rushed when I was up there. I wanted to just kinda get my spiel out and get off the stage and kinda just be done with the whole thing. But yeah, you're right. That's a pretty stressful time it more stressful than playing the games public. Speaking is no joke. That's for sure. All I'm not sure if people know you're the first devil to win the hot trophy. And I think what they've been there. Thirty six years now thirty eight years were you surprised one given the level and the deputy competition with so many worthy worthy competitors out. There that surprise you that you won. Yeah. See I was I was just really happy to be nominated. When when it first came out. I hadn't really even given any thought of of winning. Giving it the biz there, but him picking MacKinnon was that's who I would have I would have chosen. I mean the season that he had turned around that Colorado had. Just the skill level of player that he is. I thought he was going to win it. But you know, obviously, I was super pump to to win the trophy and to have my family and friends there to really celebrate with them. It was more of a. The moment for them than it was for me. I just I thought it was it was incredible just knowing you you, obviously, you're hoping and wishing for Stanley Cups. But you're also thought I wanna win MVP's scoring titles things like that. So to get an MVP are ready dude on beat the first devil ever. It was awesome. I was actually curious when you found out you didn't win the Ted Lindsay that must've been like, I definitely didn't win. It isn't it usually the same guy. Yeah. I mean, that's what you'd you'd think. But I didn't really think that I was gonna win that. I actually did think that mcdavid win the ten Ted Lindsay. That's who I voted for. Yeah. You just never really know until the votes come out. And and another thing else as I definitely think eastern bias help me against the McKinnon, Nicole Qatada. You know, there's so many more writers that boat on that on that trophy based on the east coast, and they were able to see to claymore, and that was definitely my favorite. But yeah, with like you said, it's it's incredible. Think about winning an MVP trope, but there's still some other things after Hosie was it a little overwhelming after the fact that you want maybe with media requests, maybe endorsement deals and now like managing your time. And of course, trying to stay focused to to keep up with the pace that you had last year. Yeah. You know with thing to a podcast that you guys are doing and kind of Chirpin me my subway and personal. But it was you know, the summer with a little bit more busy with that stuff. But not nothing crazy. I definitely want to stay focused and commit too much time to back that stuff. It's important to. To come into the prepared and motivated in focus, and I feel like I've done out and play also. Ause? He plays way the trophies different Lindsay would in the hot trophy because once voted on by UPS, and the others voted on by media who may not have the same knowledge of the game. You think this is a different between them. Yeah. That. It's really cold out respect to your peers. And to admit that as a player, you're more inclined to to hold that trophy higher regard than heart's all at the same time. You know, whether you're out for both or just one it's you had a good season. So this really fun night altogether. Let's talk about the start. You guys have had this year. Holy shit. You guys I wouldn't say surprise a lot of people because you guys have assault squad. But fuck that start. You guys have had that must be a good time in that locker room right now. Yeah. We're doing it right now. Our coach really has a hard training camp that he puts us through. And I think it really gets us really per the start of seasons. If you look at. Even two years ago when we didn't have a great team. We still started off really hot wheel able to come out at teams and really surprised speed in inner pizza place. So we're getting unbelievable cutting right now with Kinkel and that and it seems like we have all four line scoring each of meeting. So that's really what you're seeing. And it's all like we played poor teams. We played really good really good hockey so far this year, and it's been fun. Then just to think about the turn on that. I've experienced in New Jersey from the time that I got here. Tell now it doesn't even like the same energy a locker doesn't even feel like the same kind of teams like energy. Yeah. Yeah. The BB energy is. That's right now. Paul Mary frigging, he's buzzing around looks like he's ten pounds lighter. He must've shaved his back. He's he's one the Harry, speak what ever seen. Use the little rain for Halloween a couple of years ago, and it was like costume ever made for him. So. And that guy he's so fun to play with. He's such a natural goal that when he gets in a groove. His shot. Always seems to find hold always seems to find corners. And like I said a lot of fun to play them. You start in the air in Europe had an effect on on the hot start sometimes teams go over there. And they might get jetlagged drag a little, but it didn't seem to have any any adverse effect on you guys. How was that? Yes. Europe was awesome. So we started out in in Switzerland. And that's an amazing country. I'd never been there before just the culture the food the atmosphere of the people there, everyone is so nice, and they speak for different languages. So you're you're able to really converse with everyone. So started out there. Played played an awesome game against that. Seabourn Putzer in this crowd with amazing seventeen thousand people, and I think like twelve or thirteen thousand people were standing room only just looked like absolute generate and the crowd having beers. And having a great time. They were they were sold out from the start a warm up. And that was a really good time from there, we went to Sweden, and yeah, this really ready for the start of the game in game against ten and our focus. Really just you know, how do we do we limit Connor mcdavid? And how do we play against the team that has a lot of speed and firepower up front? So always weird playing Edmonton for me still and start out the year in Europe and to share the same old Adleman ten and all their fans stuff was a little bit weird from being. I thought it was great for our team. Just the bond a little bit to travel where each other for for a long time at Surtees, and you guys know that some of the best times have have long road trips start season. So you can get used to the guys again, gopher dinners. All that kind of stuff is really good. For her bonding. I think it was a great experience for all of us imagining the boys had a nice little night after the big win was a Stockholm. We're in Gothenburg all involved in burbs. Yeah. It's like it's a rainy rainy city on the west coast of Sweden. But yeah, we we definitely went out a little bit after the game there, and and had some fun. But yeah, it's always great to get the guys gather on the road, and and just a few other out and get this new thing going that way. It's awesome. I don't know if I'm pretty sure you were there. It was at the start of the year when we started the the game's over in Sweden against oughta that was my first ever NHL game where you not on the team with Pittsburgh. Then I'd wanna my nine nine ankle injuries at home with homes goes, hey me. So we are the in Stockholm, and I met some girl at one of the parties we had early on the trip, and you know, obviously, I don't have to sleep with her. Well, she started. She started stockings -ly. She started stalking me on the trip. The next day at practice. It was an open practice. She showed up and bought one of those world premieres, and she was on the glass. So when when we were doing our loser laps before practice every time I would skate by her spot. She would get up and start banging on the glass, and I'm fucking rookie. So I'm so embarrassed and Brooks or pick is just a loving this. They ended up making me lead stress. Even even -tarian thought it was funny and she short to the hotel during the day. And kept calling the room. It got pretty pretty scary. And she was like a nine and they're all wondering at the end, which is gonna be. She's a Swedish nine that's insane. I would kill for a sweet where a lot of the boys. Getting stocked over there maybe to get locked out and brought over to North America. I didn't see anything like that. I don't we've we might have one or two single guys in the whole team. It's kind of the leaks changes that way, man. Yeah. It has definitely had I'm guilty of it too. So who are the single Guiseley? It goes house would single. No, no, no. I think we're the single guys Don Quenneville is single. And I think he might be the only one king Kinkaid on and off single. We can really tell he's in a really as like me. What Zach Zach is a how you say his last name Zakho. Yeah. The clowns in the locker room. Kincaid a clown in the room. Yeah. You can be a bit of a cloud. I'd say the biggest client. We have right now is John Quenneville. Anyone watched the the pine the glass series on the NHL network. Use star of the show. I think they had a mic up every game and every practice and every meeting just because he's kind of the energy in the room, and as always making black Nick always fun when if the young guy like that, a young single guy and got utha. Pretty awesome. Is he is he on those dating apps? He's the only single guy, obviously, he's not just going out by himself. Yeah. I don't. I don't know. I don't know what he's got going on his phone. Maybe just into. Hey, you live in Jersey City was that last year. Yeah. Jersey City I've been in the same place all three years. I've I've played jersey. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. I was I was actually just in Seoul today. We have the tail off and other than soul walking around took the bath back to Hoboken and then on my way back to Jersey City. But yeah, it's a great place to live. I was gonna ask you it seems like you've really started the love living there. And even when I'm there for work. It is nice. You can call around so easy into the city is Hoboken like where you're going to dinner their restaurants Jersey City in shit too. I spend most of my time Hoboken. Yeah. But been awesome. And, you know, just hop into the city quickly no walking around SoHo or going to dinner in the west village, all that kind of stuff is mice escape or just kidding around and your -partment, and you know, what hockey all the time. So I mean last last week we can have played golf on the berms in New Jersey like there's two different places really a collision New Jersey live near near New York City or you can live out in the burbs. Where it's where it's really nice and great great spot the glass, here's really enjoyed it. Do any seekers recognize you on your on the trains, either the path like New York City subway autograph hounds? No, I I've never seen any autograph seekers on the train. If anyone recognizes me, it's a quick, no, go devils, or you know, a couple people came up to me. And gave me nuts and said MVP that kind of thing, but people have been awesome. And it's you know, as you guys know pretty nice to be an honest in this part of the this part of the country. There's so many sports teams. There's so many, you know, famous people kind of stuff. So I feel like I'm at the low end of the comb poll, and it's nice to blend in a little bit. It's awesome. So it's not like the the team Halloween party with mcdavid text me today said that you you put a mask on when you guys were ended up going out in public, and you put a mask on and you were like dancing with all the locals and getting in their faces and having a good time. Yeah. Had to do that once or twice on Halloween just to kind of blend in a little bit. Yeah. That's funny that he remembered that that's that's all the dirt. He had on you. That's it. There's no dirt. All we actually know what there is on his feet from when we were in Kabul. It's unbelievable go golfing. He forgets his golf shoes. Sandals on unlike launches go. Buy some golf choosing. I don't want to buy all she's like two hundred and fifty bucks looking end up signing. He's gonna make one hundred twenty million ends up golfing in his in his bare feet all day cuts. His foot opened he's in the sand in the mud all day. No shoes on the cheap. That was my reasoning that I didn't wanna pay money. Yeah. You like I don't want to spend two hundred fifty bucks. They're all other shit. I'll never wear them again. Bad. I should've just fog all his alsi. Elaine Nazar dean, he's still obviously with you guys defense. Coach, correct. Yeah. He's defense and PK so two things. I I never really get close to learning a boat. He. Yeah. He was he was my first pro captain as well with the Wilkes Barre does. He does he still kind of have that that funny edge too, many comes a locker room so wants to be one of the boys. Yeah. He's he's a great glued and. Yeah. Like you said he's got from swagger to. But honest, you're snowed. I think he's done a great job with their penalty killers top ten Hoster, and we'd played played some really powerplay so far this year and done a great job. So I feel like he does a. Does a solid job with our young defense and getting them to learn the game. And all that he he's been a really good guy for team if you like. Oval all the last few years guys we've seen like post game team awards they've sought to become a regular thing. Locker rooms, you know, sometimes it's a chain are like Broadway. Like, they had New York wrestling belt wrestling belt pause. You guys actually picked yours up to this year while you are in Europe. Correct. Yeah. I wanna tell you audience when it is. Okay. Yeah. So this is crazy. I I'm not sure if like the casual hockey panel know this but in Switzerland the leading score leading point get her on each team. He wears jersey that set top score on it and has planes all over it doesn't name on it anymore. Andy also wears a helmet as yellow in Ames on it. No matter what. Caller, your team's jersey jersey you wear so we kinda picked one of those up in Europe. And now, that's our our our on bear in award. We always we always try to recognize after a win. No, maybe things that don't show up on the score sheet. But I really valuable in our locker-room block shots or killing Nobis or just a store and in a players and the team side that kind of thing really goes on locker room. So we picked up, and it's funny. I mean, it's it's it's obviously for a guy with a huge head, and and green are capping wanted a couple of nights Goni, gut it tiny. Hey, you've probably doesn't even fit into a seven baseball cap size his head time. He put the helmet on. He was swimming in it. But yeah, the great award for to give out after games did woods get it after that scrap with Jamie. Ben. No, no. He didn't that was that was one of those fights where you're kind of on the bench ears open that both players get out of it on skate. Like, there's no there's no knockout. There's no like huge punch because both those guys. You know, they have that crazy side, you're they can both go a little bit read sometimes. And then I was just happy players where we're kind of safe after that one. Hey, buddy. I'm curious. What did you think of that Matheson suspension, you kind of on the side, right? Let's protect players or did you think it was a little little Bs. I mean, it was kind of unassuming play to be honest, but I can see where there'd be a suspension, I could see where there'd be you know. No, call at all. But you know, that that Patterson in Vancouver is on ryobi's even guys I feel like it doesn't take a whole lot of really thrown down when you get off balance like that. So I don't know talk play and hockey such a such a fast, you know, that it's really hard to make decisions like we actually had peril to the all the suspensions. Yes, she came in for our locker room to talk to the other day. I think he's trying to make the rounds to every different team the league and kind of to be more engaged players and have more of a cake on you know. All suspensions are and beacon due to avoid them. And you know, it's kind of hard on. So seeing him in person was it was really cool. You know, maybe ask him a couple of things on on how you can eliminate the headshots what you can do as a player, you know, wanna be physical on the team. But you also on be you don't wanna hurt anyone. You don't want to give anyone concussions you to be suspended the hockey do that. Necessar- way. He talked about as a player with the puck, avoiding them. Have you have you had any contact with Adam Oates or maybe any guys on the team because he's big on that as far as avoiding the contact in the Middle East keeping your head up. Yeah. I'm good buddies with teddy Purcell who's you know, his the I talked to them or. Yeah. I mean all about having, you know, puck position in in good spots where you don't have to have your head down. That's the biggest thing is is you know, the second you put your head down and open to to look for fumbling bucket. Anything like lever? Cellphone number one. And what you do is you put other players and bad spots. What I'm that is. No if they're coming to hit you in and that the last second your head down. And it goes in back, I shoulder, you know, some of the has got to be on you the Bill the more aware not. And that's why the ice. So that yesterday where we're just trying to play hockey hard and fair, but you don't want to have any suspense Yona have any cuts that stuff, really sucks. Palsy one quick question about that helmet. Didn't prime boil when it one life a blocking Ovechkin shut while you guys are up six nothing is that true. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's the kind of stuff that we're looking to devalue that with that helmet last game canker wanna just because second set of year, and how always played and and he's really been the back of our team yet, you know, boiler blocking shot up six nothing preserving shutout, and and Tom, you know, making our PK guys have a perfect night against Washington. That's kind of what Rafter for sure I still I think would have had to call a little bit of a Harto block in that shot of that just shows he is. Yeah. I love boiler. But yeah, you can go a little Harto. I did. Well, thank you so much. We really appreciate this up. So proud, I know that sounds kind of weird. But what you superstar you turned into no surprise. So it's great to talk to you. And hopefully, we'll catch up soon. All right. Thanks, boys. Politics. We patch. Things up buddy. If you need herbal active. Just just hit me up. Hit me slide in my dams bills. Wipe up the freeway there. I can help you too. All right. Thanks, guys. Okay. Thank you very much. It's my old roomy Taylor hall MVP well-deserved. And I'm so glad he basically says fuck you biz you just I don't agree with the fuck illegal energy. But I loved that. He hates you. Now. He probably always remember that you didn't want him to win MVP. So I'm thrilled with that. And he's also buzzing this year. Boys. Taylor hall Nico here sharing kalpa mayor absolutely lighting it up this year. I mean combined thirty seven points on the year Halsey with thirteen here. Sure with ten culpa Mary's lighten it up with fourteen nine goals five assess where do you guys think they rank as you know, one of the top lines hockey right now? The right up there. I def definitely taught five if not top three I still think Colorado's Renton McKinnon. And why am I missing the last name land the only two on the line? No 'cause Landis hog so hard. He may. And yeah, they're number one to me. But the jersey line Palmeria like I said, I mean, you get some of that body hair off you and all of a sudden you just get such a six shot to mazing release. That's that's a hard. That's a that's a difficult line to deal with put it that way. I kinda agree with you that call and Colorado was probably top notch right now. All three of those guys. I think they're on the top eight of any gel scoring right now. And it's great now, we have so many lines. Like, I mean, we're talking about every team have at least one stud, and we got a lot of teams three forced is where they can put on a line in dominate wouldn't see tons of that one of the quick, no, boys. We didn't mention there is a hearing Brennan Lemieux on Monday for his head on Vincent tro checked. I dunno if you guys caught that coast kind of a glancing blow, but it looked like the head was the principal point of contact. What's his name MacKenzie? Wego went after brow Lemieux after they had a nice little scrap. So he's probably going to be looking at a game or two friend of the program. Vincent tro. Check. We hope you feel better. We hate. This guy's hitting the head. So we'll have an up. Eight on that on the next show. Lem us one of those guys he plays on the edge. I mean, I'm sure he'll learn his lesson. When do we got that from? Yeah. That's true, boys. One hit that. I fucking did not agree with the Ian Cole. The ended up getting kicked out of the game for a very clean hit on Calgary. I forgot to say his last name Jovan on hausky Jankowski. God, I always get stuck on that one. Great kid, you hung out with ski. We gotta have job on here. We will all reach all reach out. I'll send up the bat. I I talked. Yeah. It's off subject. But here we're reviewing basically everything else in league in order to kick a guy out of a game for a clean hit. Like fuck. Why not throw reviewing those types of things. I don't know. Your guy's thoughts. Yeah. I I wouldn't hate that. I mean, there's a lot of reviews as it is. But that lem you hit though, so unnecessary and MacKenzie Wego. I dunno business. He does he fight. I mean 'cause 'cause lem you if he is if we is tough Lemieux's look pretty tough to he was shocking both hands he handled himself. Well, already you ended up texting me in. I think it was preseason when l'umuganda scrap with the player from Dallas. And they. They were just chucking bombs. Oh, he's a tough customer. I think he's going to be a good role player in this league. I would compare them to a poor man's Matthew Chuck that would be that's where I I mean is that a good comparison? Is that fair Lou that that will remain to be seen? Yeah. Paschi buddies sport score a little more. If he's going to be in that category. I'd say the question is I think refs probably erring on the side of caution especially that hit the clean hit. You know, by Bennett, come in and defend his teammate had a scrap. But yeah, it was a clean hit that shouldn't even have been a penalty level on getting tossed out of the game. But, you know, refs think they're probably frazzled, man. Okay. We'll do not call. We call it. I think they're probably gonna call it. Like, I said earning on the side of caution. It's fortunate that a guy gets fucking tossed out of the game. When when he did not that run. Also, man these guys fucking fight between vises and helmets. God bless you. Do it. How do you do that? Like, not break a hand every time this, I don't know. I never really thought about it. And keep in mind when I was playing at the National Hockey League level monta big deal. There was not many visors. Most of the guys I was fighting didn't have them. And I don't think there's any denying here that we thought the lem you hit was a little over the edge and he'll get suss for but speaking of filthy. Did you guys see that behind the back pass by Johannesson? Aw, that was one of the nicest passes I've seen in a long. I love player celebrations on dishes, like debt Yosi right away. Just pointed out they slammed just guys like holy fuck. Like, you're just right away. Same with best. Or did it with Pedersen's dish off the wall? That would have been an icing that such a sick play the city and started doing that by the way back in the day. But same thing Besse turnaround, dude, what up as you. I love you. I'll make more money. Herbal act of hand job middle of the ice stroke in them off. I still I still think that is. I would rather give a guy the sickest happen. Like does zero work everyone. Just immediately says water pass then score a goal. That was how I always felt your giver, maybe because I had a Muffin to your giver. But if you're a fan, you gotta you gotta be cycle. You you lose the deans. And now you've got these two guys who looked like a pretty dynamic duo already, man. That's that's a hell of a replacement. If that's the way things play out. Oh, Jake for tannin starting to find his stride to a good young group there. Those those two guys they sign the off season and beagle and Roussell those are I know they got overpaid a little bit. But those are all right. Keep some guys play play on the edge a little bit. Keep those guys safe. What's up? All right. Have you seen? It's an online thing. Every everytime. Jake scores a goal Virtanen. Yeah. They jut beers. It's like, I I forget what the hash day Judd for Jaco, whatever it is. But every time he scores a goal people in the arena jug. The as posted online. It's pretty funny collaborative thing. Going on kind of like they were doing in Unika during the call their Cup run. When we play them in the finals where the when they would score the one guy in the crowd would take his prosthetic leg off putting more the rest of your there and chug it out of it. Shit every goal. They. Yeah. My buddy came to watch the games. And it was one of the craziest atmospheres I've ever seen at the one you one. Yeah. We ended up winning five. But I mean the series felt a lot closer than that. And we had to play. We went to three two three the play three in a row there and holy shit. Man that auditory was rocking. Speaking of Rockin, Helsinki was rock and for the world premiere games. Those guys played back to back for the Panthers against the Winnipeg Jets are boy Yandell was on Waco of trip to Finland bud. He probably spent Tanguay particle bags, some shades. Couple pairs of shoes finished shoes he could rock him. Also lying. There were whispers. Let's go online a Jesus Christ. Get it back L Saiki. They showed him with Barkov eaten those buffalo wing. You looks like he loves buffalo wings the professional sauce overs. Handy. Didn't give a shit. He goes out get the hat trick. And then the goal the next day in the second game that might have been one of the sickest snapshots I've ever seen. I mean, he's not that close to the goalie uses demand the screen, and it came out of the net quicker than it went in. So he's flying. Now, all of a sudden after quick trip back home. He's leading the Winnipeg Jets and scoring goals in goals. They should say boys before we move on. Herbal active ad read. Of course, we got the biz twenty promo code one hundred percent based CBD so no THC in that one. They wanted me to remind you guys herbal active. You are b a l ACT IV some of your forgetting the name. So you're messaging me, you can go there, Instagram or. Twitter. That's herbal active. You are L ACT IV dot com. You can go to their website as well. But on the social media they've hired a girl to answer all your questions so about depression, anxiety, all the things that helps with as far as the drops are concerned. They also wanted me let you guys know about the bomb which helps with with bruising. 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You are L A C TI go get you some perfect for the holiday, stocking stuffers. Whatever you want, and that's it. That's all I got bumped into a couple of guys the other day. I wish that no, yes. And they remember the story told about yens messing with the guys new flow when he grows new head back. They will like all what about that story told them that they said the guy's name. And I'm like, I didn't know what the guys name was. Then I found out. It was a dude. I know I was fucking Holland. I that that story a lot of play. Now that guy who's who's carrot was his friends have been all over him since then WinCo we just put that on the fire a point per game. Is he leading their team in scoring right now. So he's just guys like Benjamin button. Just getting better every year to chew goals in an assist when he was over in Finland and boys since such a fun fact kind of mood the coyotes who are a wagon road. You wanna give me in listen even early on when they were out shooting opus? He's fucking idiots. Like, okay. So clearly somebody's not watching the games coyotes are actually more offensively productive this season on the penalty. Kill scored seven goals shorthanded on thirty eight short handed situations, which is eighteen point four percent debt that is insanity on the power play. They're five thirty four which is clicking at fourteen point seven percent. So that's just an insane stat. Hey business a lot of guys in the bench. Given it the old when they get the power that CLYDE it. Prefer we defer but shadow to Grabner in Richardson who've been leading the way that Grabner can move. I didn't watch much when he was playing over in New Jersey in New York was with the Rangers for a little bit. I pay with both of them with the islanders as well. So he's played on all three of those teams. But he's been unbelievable Brad Richardson's. Just a little wily veteran gets the job done. Good on faceoffs block, shots, just a Swiss army knife. How about the Canadian teams? I know we don't usually don't play that if the playoffs not today game this early because it's ridiculous too. But six of the seven Canadian teams are in a playoff position right now. It's going to be interesting to see if that holds and now let's give a shutout tuck in New York island is what would here and Thomas, Greece. He's been playing out of his mind. The last few games the island is leading pretty strong, metropolitan metropolitan division. Jerry's to see if that holds as well there are Shirley surprising people have to losing virus. We talked about a boy's the parody in this league is out of control. Troll. It's great to see the game is thriving. And that's pretty much. All I got for today. You guys got anything else? You wanna wrap up with was was Ramsey. A good guy. Oh, that's right. My Nashville experience. First and foremost, thank you to the Nashville predators organization. What is Asian? They're unbelievable. They rolled out the red carpet for me and Pasha who ended up filming the NHL first-timer segment that was the first one we did to kick off the entire series. We did it with of course. Jalen Ramsey, who is who I guess ruffled some feathers with his comments that he could make the NHL in six months. Unbelievable guy. He brought his beautiful Offerman. They just had a child. She was. She was unbelievable sweetheart. He was such a nice humble guy. He just likes to stir the pot. He's smack talker. Just like most CB's and wide receivers in the NFL. He was. Yeah. I mean, I got that. But was he? Was he asking questions about the game? Was he like was he shooting the shit with you gotta be like a little bit of like Harto. Staying quiet. It was like really genuinely you know. Curious about hockey. But absolutely not. He was unbelievable in the moment. Got there. And we we asked a lot of them. He was he was on the NHL the game feed. He got an interview between one of the periods. We brought them to meet Poile in Johannesson Yosi's box, which they donate to charity some games. They have kids come in just through and through an unbelievable experience. We got there for warm-up. Everybody's crowd along the glass, all the guys are knuckling fans along the glass. Like there was there was some special needs kids in the front row peck arena came over every fucking time you made a loop and gave a knuckle to this one guy. I think they have a strong connection. They must have of met before the game or something. But they just have it figured out in similar to the Zona coyotes organization. They're very forward thinking they like pumping. Oh, content and giving the fans as much as they can for the amount of money that they're paying the come CDs. Athletes play and Poile. Came over and offered. Jalen Ramsey contract. Anti offered me a PTO. So that's the start of my comeback so halls even watch out buddy me, go energy, and Adam Oates are gonna fuck and take on the NHL Shelby skating circled around. You said it's a first time as club who's who's behind that. Is it sounds stupid? But someone who's never been on NHL game before taking them to a game as simple as that sounds, correct. We figured it would be a good way to kick it off because of his comments you want to show him down to the lower bowl. How fast the game actually is? Like was he like holy shit. This is different than I thought. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's he's watched games before on TV and stuff. But yeah, he was very impressed and gave him a pretty good view of the entire experience. Yeah. That's all. I thanks again to the national predators organization. I got to go down and talk to the guys afterward PK sue ban, of course, met Jalen. They did a jersey exchange, and he he has a charity as well. Fucking forget the name of it. I think it's called like the basically they introduce police officers to under underprivileged children, and they get to meet and get to be more comfortable around cops because you know, like the stigmas like when you see a cop on your kid. You're thinking like oh shit, and you tense up. He's trying to he's trying to be proactive about that. So shut up the PK sue ban. Just everybody was awesome. And it was a great experience for me. Yeah. Granola blog about that. The the kid like you said underprivileged killing the cop go to dinner either before or after the game they sit together during the game talk. It's it's a real real great thing. He does like I said my blogging awhile ago. So good stuff. Good stuff is. So that's all I got for brand. When will we get to see that video biz on it should be out by the end of next week? Wanted out quick so Pasha my boy shadow to posh Ascii. The guy me film business does BC. He's going to be chopping it up next week. And hopefully, it's out it's going to be able to five minute video. We got some some fun stuff in it. So hopefully, you fans enjoy and shadow shadow to you as to before we started recording here. I asked him busy rip it up Nashville. He's like, Nope. Just doing so much work. You're all about that content. Just working your decorative your body. So good fee of biz. Got to keep up with RA, man. Fig medusa. That's that's all I got boys.

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Return of the Matt w/ Matt Moulson

The Reigny Day Podcast | Ontario Reign

55:45 min | Last month

Return of the Matt w/ Matt Moulson

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. You're listening to the rainy day podcasts the official podcast up the Antero rain with your hosts Cameron, close and Zach Duleep. Now, it's time to get in Vob Pau. Back, after our week long Hiatus Zach Dooley's here I'm cameron close. Zach. You look different your your glowing. Are Married man. You've got a ring on your finger congratulations. Thank you. That's about the only difference I think being married is that you have to wear this ring now, which is a little bit weird. I'm a lefty of trying to get away with wearing at my right and I was told it's not allowed. You can do I think I think now that it's done I think I'll I'll move it over to the right hands the European model of told so okay. Well, here we are in person it's strange I interview. Six months time I know I forgot how at weird you'll look. Zoom Zoom High. No you you. Really you know hammer fix your thoughts with that must be well. The ring have you open so the first thing I. Did when I got married my cousin always if was ever a beer bottle and I didn't have an over opener he grab it and so he taught me how to open my ring like on my wedding day I had somebody get me a bottle I was so excited to try it. So I teach you that trick after maybe we more of those narrate secrets it's a at. One. Of the best. That you my white new balanced dad shoes I thought they came. With, the wedding they get to bind yourself so I'd have not opened a bottle of my ring I e on a very you haven't gotten my balances, but it goes both both finalists well, very well, it's an exciting time congratulations to both you and lacks and may you be married for a long long time? I. Hope You know why not right going gonNA open the same thing for myself. So we'll see what happens that. Big weekend coming up this weekend the Kentucky Derby is in full swing. It is this Saturday. It's strange that it's the second leg of the triple crown. It's not hockey related bought the rainy day podcast is going to give you our picks of WHO's GonNa. Win This thing who's GonNa take it on which horse you WANNA put your dollars on an since I think course racing is legal in California betting wagering. We can talk about that. So we're going to go solely off horse name and we're not gonna read them all off but I'm very big I. Think I've mentioned it on the show before I like horse names I always say if I ever have a horse, it's going to be closing close just. So the play by play Horse Guy can be you know when he's not a, he's not a lead, the pack ultime he's he's like middle of the pack and then at the engine seven as they around the final turn, he's stretch cluttered they call final furlong he just jumps up there. So Furlong, two hundred yards by the way I, learned very recently had no idea. He would be closing close so that the guy could be like enclose encloses closing close be great call I. Just I because that's what I do for play-by-play people. It is a a family and we all look out for one another. So I'm gonNA give somebody that great call you're welcome. Whoever gets one day when I am a multi millionaire and own my closing close course my thoroughbred. White. Horse why or none of them white in the racist you'll know this you grew up in. Saratoga your because I don't know but it's always the Brown. There's chocolate there's black horses and there's gray, but you don't usually see a white horse. Salam. Maybe they're not real. Well they're real. Fable maybe they're just not fast towards not bred they must not be br it must be a thing i. don't know what it is. All right. So we're going off the names of these and I'm going to tell you what I like him when I do. So I like multiple words I. think that if you're going to have a single word horse name like a single name, it's gotta be really really good or else it's really bad. I'd one single neighbors I thought there were too. I thought they were authentic the up. And then the number three I believe okay and enforceable celery hate authentic can't stand it Haitham enforceable. I can live with like if you're going to be a one name, you gotta be a seabiscuit which I don't even like that may but I like secretary right who doesn't like that's a great name. You gotTa have a really good name if you're going to be a one one word. So I like I like enforceable, that was actually one of the ones that are now looking at some of these. There are some absolutely horrible ones here in my opinion. Zach. Like south, bend? Well well heavy I know you're not navy. Notre Dame Guy, you're going to be one end of the other as in south, bend? That's A. but that doesn't sound like a horse named me Finnick the you can't give your horse a real south bend had one of the green numbers do that's Every month southbound thirty three to one right there see like I'll love alliteration. As you'll know closing close cameron I like alliteration money move I'm looking at money moves and nineteen, and that is That's a nice one I. don't like it when they say anything about winning or losing. So this winning impression sixty, five to one be winning impression. Five Year and. Now, he's GonNa win because I said that. To be perfectly honest my favorite, even the field is his the law. It is funny how oftentimes the the favourite has a pretty darn cool name. Bet is a good name. I liked his law one at Saratoga bread. There you go, which is capital region always have to the new Newark Courses It's a great horse won the first leg, which usually not I like. But this year was the first leg of the triple crown and it has a cool name Alex storm the court. Not a fan I like. I'd Still College Basketball Fan, yeah I get it. I get it. So I'm going to go ahead and give you my pet because you can't pick Tis the law you just by of us are going to pick to not a lawyer they went off at three to five. Yeah it's too easy. So. Rainy Day podcast, Cameron close pick is going to be. Firm E number ten. Thousand words I like it going off at eleven to one like Mr Big news to the number nine. I. Think that's pretty cool. Big News but I'm going thousand words. It sounds like a horse that that completes and upset and beats his the law. Somebody's going to beat him. It's GonNa be some weird name thousand words. That's my walk. Since we already talked about money moves which I like Yup I don't know why like it but if Seoul Volonte. Okay. Just rolls off the tongue. Tell you say it but it sounds like it goes together I don't know if it actually does but it sounds like it goes together and I like money moves. And I like soul Volante, which one do you lock? I'M GONNA lock in money moves money moves. Okay. That's great name I'm glad you did at various. Those are two great picks. So those are your picks, thousand words and money moves there nine hundred to one for money moves right now, eleven to one thousand words, Kentucky Derby Lock it up. You Bet a million bucks at eleven to one. That's eleven million dollars that you could take home. So just keep that rainy day podcast a tax there ended podcast. Which is A private pending in the Senate right now but. Percentage, come into tone of the spot. Yeah. So that's and I think that are average listener base I'd say we've done the demographics. The average take is usually somewhere between a million and two million for our listeners that the average. Household income again disprove that now I am talking off off off the cuff now. So those are your two thousand words money moves, take the bag, but the laws probably just GonNa win. So keep that in mind we have Matt Molson as our guest today, we spoke to him probably a month ago. Now we've been sitting on this one for a while saving for. A rainy day if you will a go at, but is a great interview, we really enjoyed talking to him. Everybody misses him here on -Tario. Now, he hadn't resigned with Hershey when we did the interview since then he's now signed. So congratulations damn. It's nice to see that he's not hanging them up at least doing one more year. Another deal would have been you know. The season ending the way did like he deserves another chance to win a championship. Hopefully, he's able to get that in two, thousand, twenty, twenty, one, I'll season great guy everyone year like you said really loved how to material and yeah, we wish him all the best with her she and I think everyone's GonNa Really Interview I. Wish that we were talking to him right now because I would love to hear his Kentucky Derby Pack I feel like he's probably got an eye for horses. He seems like a guy similar guy, my nose but. Traffic after that's right. That's like my least favorite name maybe we'll shoot him a tweet and then as there toga bred horses the field travel. Yeah. Maybe we'll see if we can. We can shoot him a Texter tweet and get his police Kentucky to call upon. It could be most Mauve. Allante. Well Matt mobile onto will I I don't really like solid Allante, I duNNo. King Gear. Most. Six Yeah I'm not a big fan of Mr Big news keeps calling me those that's the trifecta not forty nine to one other a couple dollars at that's forty, nine, million dollars if you do a million. So that's a lot of money maybe by an age Lt potentially you never know. All right. Let's take a listen and hear what mad at say. Matt. Molson Houston play forward for the Antero Rainey's longtime professional hockey player Andy joins us now. Matt how are you? I'm doing well, thanks lot forever. Absolutely. It's good to see again I. Think. You probably achieved fan favorites status and what a year and a half of being there. So I know that all of our fans are excited. To hear from you today but before we talk anything hockey. Zach I'm actually pretty proud of this what I came up with it last night i. Think you're gonNA like all right. Would you rather? Only. be able to use cash for the rest of your life, but only ones fives and tens. Okay. But you can't use a credit card for anything. Bank wire transfer, and so if you go by car, you're going to buy with all ten dollar bills. If you want to treat somebody to dinner than you'd ask, are you know a ton of ten dollars only cash or? You have to send everything back every time you go out to eat or get a drink or something like it has to go back. You have to find something wrong with it and always send it back. WAITS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THAT AND You cash. I would do the cash to like I. don't even know if I'd like has to be really messed up for me to even send it back as. It's just so uncomfortable. I usually just eat it too. But yes also ended up. Everybody said, what am I said once a week you have to send something back not every time. The caching. See for me gets impractical like if you WANNA make a large purchase if you're going shopping, let's say like. You're out in going to the mall. You don't know what you're going to get. You're going to home depot you a big project like you have to bring a briefcase cash you're talking about ten dollar bills. Because it's Bray duffle bag of cash. Everywhere you go. So I'm just thinking about practicality. That's kind of fun. I wonder if that me shop in smaller portions because like I, feel like I could go. I feel like I could get around that by like shopping different ways to where I'm only I'm not buying like you know I don't by thousands of dollars worth of stuff as it is but could I online shop? I think for I think for me. I think it would deterred my wife from making some big purchases so I think. That's a win win. No online shopping you to send an envelope to the company. Certified now so All right. Well, this past season with her she and the first thing I want to start with is you go to the All Star game which is back in Ontario. Tell us finding out that you're going to be a big part of that game. You're going to be captured in that game and you're going to do it in a place where you kind of revitalized your Ahl career and had a maybe a new chapter in your career. What was what was that like finding out that you'd be doing that in the experience? Yeah I. got a call from. President League In. I think I was actually disposed to hop in the shower. John Phone. Call Thousand Springfield area code. Call the back unlike maters. I just remember going in the as a kid on Christmas so excited on Cedeno in the All Star game area and I have never played in the bachelor hockey, All Star game or so. The huge honor in more special. Obviously be in Ontario go back there So they ran in the rooms of my life. Earlier is. Very. excited. Her whole family to the All Star game and have them there was a special moment. So it was. A lot of fun Was, that could have scored. Goals on. Kale but. It was just a a guess, a great moment of my career to the. Was Your What was the lasting memory from that weekend? You know a lot of a lot of really really cool things happened over those few days. What was the part that stuck out to you was just went winning the whole thing Yeah. When I came in, we lost, we lost the first game. I came go. Here might as well win. So Our our team in particular about the other teams. But we're pretty Gung Ho on China China win the actual all star Games. So it was a lot of fun. To be a captain of the winning team except that trophy was was amazing. So I think that was that was big thing. Your teammate goaltender Vana check ended up becoming the MVP of that game and he played extremely well at it's tough for me to win MVP and the Australian. Did that follow him back to her? She was that. talked about by you Abedin Locker he got excited about. Thanked him for a while because they're. The and we the he's lost the skills competition. So it's older meeting. We had to win all star game might. Look like a fool toys, capitalist team but. At that time, he was during obviously, our our season with the bears was our goal is what? Him. He was playing very well going into that. All Star, game. I. Think He Kinda. Carry that on into our our season play after that but I was definitely very thankful. He played very well. Have the trophy keep it. I did I. Was Awesome. Trophy Room in Connecticut. Nia going for the trophy cabinet. So, how does Hershey? How does her? She compared to Ontario like what were wise but just as far as the teams are run, they're both looked at as very successful a GEL teams as far as their markets in their fans and they both everybody talks about the obviously the Kings are owned by. Their excuse me the rain around by the Kings but they're managing their ownership is great. You know goal teams are in very good standing what with the big difference is moving the team. I mean. I don't I don't think there's many differences in how the team was runner votes oath of a sea run very professionally top notch everything so i. I really don't think as. Many words as obviously the rain in the bears top five attendance every year both of them so. there's no difference that. I just think they're. A. Very Fortunate to plan both teams that. Were very well, run and I think. You know winning was a big thing with both teams so. To be honest wasn't wasn't much of a difference at all. Maybe the EH, the teddy bear toss is different between the two teams. That was A. Pretty Pretty Neat moment with the teddy bear toss but yeah I think how the runners not much different setting. Good. Both organizations are. Very involved in developing prospects and making sure that. That the players are getting better. I saw that with both teams very similar Both. Both wine a win pretty badly trying to. Establish A. Championship culture were You know they developed from the age O- or East Coast that winning knows winning habits rate from right from the start. So not not much difference at all. With you in Hershey this year was Phil May who's with Younan -Tario for these last couple of years he was selected. To return to play with the capitals out just a pretty cool honor for a guy who played in the Nhl what did you see from his game this year? How did he develop since we last saw? The first time I've seen Philly in Ontario I think he's been getting better and better. You know developing the developing news game and Growing player. He had. That last. Month and a half of the season before it got cancelled he was you know arguably one of the best players in the entire league he was. Playing. Unbelievable. Kinda. Crappy and in the season like that because he was on, he was on a tremendous role. So I. Think your guy a guy like that just. Such a competitive competitiveness about him and He always wants to do well In He. He just keeps getting better so He definitely cared me a lot of time to through season this year. Plan together a lot and You know hopefully, he'll get a meeting they'll give. Daily Cup Playoffs So. Let's go back to sixteen seventeen for a minute you think you're going to be western New York in Buffalo for the year the season starts out someone strange, and then all of a sudden I have imagined the last thing on your mind that you'd be plan in Ontario California in December. How long did it take you to get to Ontario and kind of? Eventually you were, you know a huge part of that locker, but it seemed like it didn't take very long to get a letter on your sweater first game. You're there I up. To go back and think about how long did it take you to gel in there like with Mike others with the team and it was instantaneous when you got there. The team in Austin they're on the road in Texas. I think. It just come from Tucson. So I had a couple tax. Obviously from my iced others. In. The captain of Team I. Accidentally put me in the group chat right away but. Yeah I think it was pretty pretty instant. Has, the cab on the way to the hotel but my bags and Went. A beer with guys. It was very, very easy to to. Be Be a new guy on that on that team. There's A. Lot, of great veterans and in great young hasn't. Of Asli. stutz there is is is very easy transition I think at that point. In my career, I, was just. I was I was. With the team that that wander knee and. That was the most fun hockey ever but. You've said a few times in interviews that that first year in the two years with the rain were how you kind of rediscovered your love for the game What was it about It'll being with rain team over those two years that really helped you to kind of get that love back. we'll start was obviously a huge part of that I think Here's just someone that. You have a tremendous respect for And He. Used a coach that I think that. Coaches that I love to play for where there's no, there's no bs it's it's it's pretty black and white in terms. What's the right thing to do with the wrong thing to is so I think when? For me personally when when someone's honest with you in intelligence without sugar coated that's a that's what I want in my life I don't need the. I don't think someone beating around the Bush tone. This with that I think as as an athlete that's that's what you want is a coach that that's going to tell you exactly like it is And he demands. Demands lot of out of his players in the. I. Think he was he was a big part way. I. Love. I think each show him respect and he shows you a lot of respect. So. That was a big part, and then obviously the the players it's a lot of great great players people in friends that will time from from that team so. It didn't hurt. We are really good team as well. It was a lot of fun. That way a really good team. Sorry Jacket and they end up you go to the play offs. You losing round wine to the team that eventually just goes on some weird hair and ends up in the calder. Cup. Finals I like to think that. I like to think of that was a seven game series that the rain when it was just such a weird five games I hate the five game series personally, and it was just a weird one. But. What was it like getting back into postseason play realizing in postseason play after he had been in buffalo for a few years and had. HAVE MISSED OUT ON playoff hockey. Who is? Going into the postseason as just the undescribable feeling or in this. will feel. Where You know it's just. Energy I. Think you get each gene in the postseason is. It's something I can't compare that any regular season game it's just the it's just another level so It's just so fun to play playoff hockey night. Go try to. young guys this year. They're gearing up for our playoff run with the bears. I just tried to explain to them Places just something that if you haven't experienced that you, you don't know what it feels like. It's just the IT's just A. Tremendous Energy and it's it's just so much fun to play in the playoffs. Knowing each game so much is. Is, what's what's really fun about. On taking back to another playoff series, he played in twenty thirteen lockout year with the islanders in watching those games on TV. And those games on the island at the Coliseum I remember being dislike the most electric atmosphere that I watched on TV like what was it like in the Coliseum in those games? That first. Game. That I came back at the Coliseum. It was the loudest building ever played in in my life I had the chance to play in Chicago during the playoffs from Minnesota and that was. Pretty loud but. Coming out in that call seeing the I. Think it was the first time in the playoffs in ten years. It was like definite. You could not. You couldn't hear. You couldn't even talk to guys on the Bachelor with so loud number. Of think I the first goal back in. To tell myself to calm down on the bench because it was I, I was I was like feeding off the energy and I was like. The COP. I five minutes of the game you got fifty five minutes left. Home it down but it was It was unbelievable that low roof. It just like trapped the sound in your area and it was is. It was crazy. It was definitely crazy. They're almost like a college hot. You played at Cornell. Another College Hockey Environment Like playoff hockey picks up like a fan become rabbit and even in Ontario, you always hear the Ahl l. that teams have trouble because you don't have as much time to market your games but I remember we had never had H.. L. Playoff. When we were in Iran Dak and then I got on -Tario in the place was just packed like it didn't. Matter at all and I. See The the right markets they come out. No matter what. Definitely Cases Zach I understand you You got something off the books that you want you want to bring into this. So I, WanNa talk about your your draft experience Directed. fourth-round by the Rochester nighthawks National. Lacrosse League draft and I I saw this on your wikipedia page and I had never known that what was it like to be drafted in the National League? To be honest with you, that was always a a big goal of mine was to get. I wanted to. Play Hockey but get drafted in the. In I. You know I've played across from a young age and I think at. When I was in trouble in hockey. Lacrosse carried me a carried me through those tough times in hockey because they loved Lacrosse. So. To be honest with you being get drafted in the fourth round and was a way bigger honor for me to get drafted in the ninth draft NHL. So it. It definitely meant a lot to me. To actually go to the Rochester nighthawks game I was in buffalo to meet the owners never on who actually drafted me in the present me with the nighthawks. Shirt, with my draft year. So that was. At something that that'll be hanging up mouse forever. Every time Lacrosse is on I liked to watch I enjoy it mainly because I know Bilbao check lakes, which means. But I? I'm always like. Comparing to hockey it's pretty easy to do Do you think it's a more brutal sport every time I watch it I. Start to lean that way. Most Just. The speed of the game ocoee now that I think it's Crunch pretty intense goes out fast moving now and hidden and stuff like that but I Guess The Times. We used to have a couple referee's not calling accom. Penalties. Slashes, we get a little out of hand. So it was A. It was definitely a very aggressive. Is, definitely, a very aggressive sport but I think just the speed of hot, he makes it. Makes it a little more sensitive maybe not if Martin Furka shooting in the Austrian but otherwise I feel like I'd rather be. Hockey goalie than Lacrosse go. Away or anything in that ball. I don't understand how they get in there like I. Guess. I. Adore guys. So out of. The fuel across outside their Those those goals Plate nuts with the. With. The amount equipment they weren't so but yeah, they're they're ready out there outside guys with. North of. To the indoor game. The goal is almost dressed like a hockey goalie, right? Like I want to indoor game once when I was a kid, the Albany attack we're in my area. So I went to one of those games it was awesome. Remember the goalies were wearing like almost hockey goalie padding. Yeah. They were. They were a lot of padding indoor A. Try To. They have rules on how much equipment you can wear like hockey but. Yeah, they try to be as big as possible. So. Stuff So I I, came up with little game after for the three of us to play here Based off of your NHL draft position. So you're a ninth round pick. And there have been some some real contributions to the game from ninth round picks I wanted to test you guys is knowledge of earth that's ninth round picks in jail history. Asa Start off with a bit of an easier one this ninth round pick. was. The last NHL player to play without helmet. Bregman Tabesh. was. Writer in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. I got one specifically for you can a little bit later on. So we'll see we'll see if you can pick this one up right now the pressure's on it is. Nine, which ninth round pick has the most points all time of ninth round picks. Pavel that soup And Played. Substantially for the Kings. Have No. Clue it is Luc Robitaille current La Kings President. Okay former former ninth round pick jobs on the line now. Here's here's another one that might might put you in some waters which number of the Ontario Reign Organization was was selected in the ninth round. With the team when you played here and is still with the organization. Is still with the Ontario Reign GonNa -Tario. Rain. Organization was with your vision back. When is it Motari? It is yard five modry goodness. Nine former nine ticket the devils. Later on A. Lot. Lot of talent coming out I'm wrong is debt soup not ninth rounders. Eight eight. It was not a ninth rounder. Okay. So I. Have One personalized question Free Joe Camel Star with you this ninth round pick played nearly eight hundred games. In the NHL, the second most NHL Games played by a University of New Hampshire Malone. Okay. Let's it in two thousand four. Who is elected in two thousand four. This may be too early but as it Mark Mauer's not Margaret Murray too late. I? mean. Okay. Give give. Two Thousand Four. That was the draft. Now, he didn't play in the League tell to a little bit later than that. But Oh, is it Dan Winnick? Daniel winnick okay. Doug for. There you go. There you go. Out, more than two thousand and he was a little bit later, I think. So Malzahn, the the two thousand eleven, twelve islanders you were one of four nine, th round picks on that team. The other three like yourself were key players on that islanders team. Do you know the other three nine thousand picks? No. Okay nine. Okay. Nine thrown picks Trento. Correct. Shoot. Get another one Heads. it's. See. When I'm playing the Olympics. Anyone picks the extra just kidding. both Olympics. Radic Martinez crooked. I think he was an eighth round pick. Cooked on him. And it's One of them played goal. And make it easy but. I mean remember I goal is at that time. The Ages ago. Yeah. Bach off. And like God Mark Strike. Zone get my brain going. Actually. My first NHL Goebbels on Natty. Accident. Is reminded him of it every single day we have practice. I like that game. said, that was that was ninth round round Trivia speaking of guys you were on the islanders with and I I know you might want to get back to draft Zach but I'm gonNA Tangent, and for second you were on their when Trevor Gillies was on the team and made a ton of youtube videos right yet so. I remember Zach and I had him on the adirondack flames the one year team and you know he's like one of the nicest guys you'll ever made right? Stevens ever. Really truly has in. There's this video that I remember watching at the time in its weight on the face authorities on the wing, and he's just screaming and another guy a close his face agreement on my. Insight I, remember I showed it to them. We were like in Toronto, believe it or not. I'm yelling at my guy I'm trying to get them pumped up to go for the face off. In. Done it. It's funny how you can watch something like that guy who's got. Under penalty minutes in forty games whatever it was. And we watched that whole exchange that you had with Pittsburgh. And he walked US through every part of it and by the end of it I was like. These penguins man these guys. Are Jerks fight God. Thank. Goodness. He was on the ice for all this review part of that game that saw the three hundred penalty minutes or whatever was sorry what? Europe only mets the honesty. I was trying to get a Hattrick but Yeah it was It was a fun game to play in. Mental Lot came into. The team after what happened spurts so It was a big game. Ask stepped up in big ways obviously. Gillies. Michael. Haley. were. Were a big part of that game parts for teeth. So it was a lot of fun in a A. Lot of great people on that team. So I got set. Spots. Trevor was was You, one of the great fighters to to play at any level you played with someone I consider his maybe the best one right now in the NHL. Just. Curtis Mc Dermott who'd you put your dollars behind if those two guys were were? I think that's a pretty tough question because I think that when you get, you get two guys that. Are So. Good. So good at what they do in terms of finding that are obviously both so i. Think it's no sometimes someone gets a lucky shot in here. There's so. That's A. I mean there too. Micro. Those two are probably. Tied into. Office. Beans I've ever played was so At yet that's a that's a tough one dancer. It probably does tell you. So, five, my research is correct moles. You never had a fight in the NHL looked at your numbers and you were you were in the lady being conversation frequently in never never got the trophy though maybe should have one year I think he had four pins over eighty two games but did you ever have a fight anywhere leading up to the NHL? Yeah. I used to I. Don't know why it never fought. A. Couple times and they got no double minors. Must. MUST've? Yeah I don't know I mean I fought a what junior. H. L. at five months so I don't know Lo- I always wanted to be on the ice score that was pretty much I. Think you mentioned you mentioned that double minor thing you might have just walked yourself. into an age old rainy-day podcast and rain broadcast network conspiracy theory. That league the age trying to do away with fighting what were their five six Zach this year that we're like as like they dropped wasn't a fought in they gave a double minors in no one question at an starts was just happy that it wasn't on the on the penalty minutes sheets didn't care but we were like they're just trying to make it seem like Eddie. stumbled. Upon. Several Times Avenue Year Lincoln legitimate fight and they gave each person you know double minor roughing. We're digging it up. We're digging up this conspiracy savings. After investigate that. That's all right. Thank that in the Denver Airport the Denver airport been talked about on the show few tasks they haven't done that. We will. Some something's going on there. I I actually have. Believer. So with the rain big part of your last year was you know the mentor chip that you had with net loss and I know that Leifer wasn't the first person that you kinda invited into your home to spend time with your family and I was wondering, did you have a person who did that for you when you were breaking into league kings in that first year with the islanders? Wasn't I don't think I was in la long enough to Obviously. Live with anyone, but I think when I first came the league. Eric Armstrong was always huge. Always. Still to this day. I. Don't think he understood how Important. He was for my game in me feel uncomfortable he was. Always. You're always kinda talking to me and always. You're explaining things to me and looking out for me. So he was he was huge. Coffee Rob Blake was. Big. Party a lot of great older players. Ds Norris. Jones. So there's a Lotta guys ever older good but I think. I went to the island John's verisign I lived in Doug Wade's guest this. Guy Ice. You know see myself as a little older trying to younger guys That was something that Doug late with. I mean he was huge impact on my career. Just being able to talk to him on a daily basis. Just the way he treated the younger players explaining. Things about life hockey in it didn't matter. So I think that's something that you owe the game to pass on if you have more knowledge helping people coming up in the obviously for I got along great in the first year then. you mentioned the him. Living with us that second year A. Little more expensive moved to Manhattan beach and Hermosa a Monteiro. So you know it was awesome. Now him he. He quickly became a part of our family Hopefully. The. Borders get open soon. So you can come down and visit visit him but you know I, think I think. Our family talks love for every single day still so It's something you. Oh, the game to help the younger guys if you have a a bond. With. Them. Even. More special. What are you doing these days for quarantine quite would've been. Did you go somewhere? Did you? Just hunker down. We add a trip. Lance. Georgia Cancel Ellen, but We. Can Play Golf But. Other. Than that Went to buffalo a couple times visits. the opposed those Ed's. Ankles I'm actually we're actually away right now with the. the ACL families. So those are those are getaways which I think we're good for the family to the House but. Gone replaces. It locked up. Thank God hopes up so also. Plus. I was I was professor molten. How'd you do a? Kids. Are Isn't charged my son. Way Interns my daughter. So we had a good one on one action go. On A. Pretty good job talking about read. So obviously, a lot of help from the the normal teachers set up their. Their schooling they did I think they did a great job in? Where we are in Greenwich Connecticut they did a tremendous job. Costco. Open. These kids do school if. Away from school SOS. It was actually pretty? Easy. I tell people is tough, but it was pretty easy it to you live in. Do you live in Greenwich during this like all the off season newcomers yet? Yeah. This is gonNA sound. Doesn't doesn't Vince McMahon, and triple h live there. Do you see him around? You see like I I actually haven't seen either one of them but regis around a lot regis. Philbin Regis. Philbin. Young for that don't know. You just first name dropping Regis Philbin. Against who else is there? That's cool. That's pretty cool I. MEAN A. WWe. Headquarters is like ten minutes from. Stanford so It's right there I. Just know that I just know Greenwich is Vince I always went like. feels. That hank seem regis. Philbin that that's good. That's my celebrities. As man that's like. That's huge. That's like Oprah. Back there that's. Probably got, you don't like a rod once. Again, Zach Alexei right I like air out a lot. You don't WanNa like run on shark tick I like what he's on Shark tank these days he does. Get some of them are annoying but he's is one of the good ones. I WANNA. You know I think we're getting towards the end but I, WANNA ask hope. Preface this by saying I, hope you play for another ten years. Your career goes on as long as you want it to. But have you ever given any thought what you're going to do after you stopped playing. I told my wife as play airplay as long as he puts. urgently. But Yeah, I think. I definitely want to stay involved in hockey. Don't thank you. Don't think I WANNA do nothing. So I definitely want to be part of that Michael. From when he? was. Young. Was To to get into management and maybe work towards being a general manager one day I. think that's something that's always excited me trying to build a team. So. I guess when I'm done Ella, should we try to work towards that? If you need any tips. Cam is an expert. NHL. Video Game General Manager. I pretty. Realistic. Gifts. That's Basically. Off. So. I am baffled every year when they get to the graphic I always win the cup and I always have. Overall picks? Tease out. And on my average age team is twenty four. It's like every every top raping. The actually in the broadcast and you should be talking to Rob Blake Right now get kid. Sometimes sometimes I just sometimes to stay in my lane and With that though Matt I think you know Zach unless you have anything else you want to get in I want thank you for coming on and. We, really appreciate talking the I know are the on -Tario fans mischie- quite a bit but are happy to see. You're having success on the east coast in and are happy that you're not playing for the team in the Pacific Division at the very least a. Nice. Extra Year in the finals. That's right that would be that'd be good for everybody Matt enjoy the rest of your off season and hopefully we'll talk again soon. Thanks a lot. has led from. Thanks again amount Molson. Always enjoy his company and and we're excited as we mentioned before the interview to see him play in. Hershey once again, whenever that season resume as when the restarted for the AHL or resume because we're not really restarting. Ob Zach. I gotTA. Take for you and I think you're going to be on the same page as me on this I think I think that we're going to be in agreement I like. When I grew up I don't watch anymore. I. Liked Wrestling Era WWe and it's not about the wrestling. It's about the drama it's about the intrigue and it's about the banter back and forth between people right I wish we had a bit more that sometimes in professional sports because I think it makes it fun. You can watch youtube video there's a black hole of youtube videos of players, complaining coaches, complaining coaches, getting arguments with rafts, people love it. So to coaches already, this playoffs, both of them have been eliminated have been fine Rod brindamour John Tortorella I believe both of them were speaking out about the rafts so. I don't really like it I. I, understand that there is a line, but I feel like the line is too shallow right now I wanna see players and coaches be allowed to to make certain jobs. Maybe the reps are off limits and maybe that's why we said I wanna see them take jabs left and right like from a Fan's perspective I love it. So I'm going to go a step further I wanna see after the two teams over the putting. Up there on the podium like why does a player who turns the puck over have to answer for his mistake? The coach starts the wrong goalie has to answer for his mistake not refuse blows the call that Constantine Game Wasn't yet to answer for his mistakes. Well, okay. So I I don't agree with that. So there are very few times in my opinion that calls blow games like the you can blow by missing at Ron One word, but effect game for shirt, right? So everybody's human. We're all GonNa make mistakes, Umpires and referees. Excluded from that unfortunately but it just is what it is like there's no way to fix that without making sky judge in having it'd be by the bucket even then in hockey, you're still going to have some arbitration human error yet of course. So for me though when the wrong goaltender is started, that's that's totally opinion based like it's always gonna be opinion based. You Know I. Think about again everybody knows I'm a Patriots Fan Bill Belichick didn't start Malcolm Butler and that Super Bowl we'll never really know it maybe they get blown out if he starts, you know they kept it close. Maybe if he started it would you you just will never know whereas and again sorry to use football analogy just easier. It's coming to my mind right now that saints. The asner fearance. Yeah. The pass interference call Saint Rams Saints that send the ramp to the Super Bowl Saints would've won the game, right? So That is like you made the wrong call. You were one hundred percent of the wrong. What are we GONNA do get the guy to go sit up against a firing squad because he's Ron what's he gonNA say anything that he says on behalf of the League is going be wrong if he tries to defend themselves, he's going to be wrong but naturally, like humans are going to defend themselves, he's just going to be wrong he's GonNa make. It worse. So you're probably right but like I don't know I think I think they should still have to be like the bottom held accountable like why is that? refs never has to comment on it the League will admit that the call is wrong like three days later, when doesn't actually change anything but yeah, the the players and coaches like if the REF makes a mistake, why can't they say did they made a mistake? Everyone knows it yeah. Dancing around it. So they don't get fine twenty, five, thousand dollars, which is I think pretty ridiculous. Yeah. You hear you hear umpires seemed to be the only ones that will ever say like, yeah, I missed that call you hear the perfect game we're leading thing and what a you've heard Kerry Fraser give plenty of interviews where he's talked about calls he's missed. Yeah. Well after the fact, right respect like in the moment like, yeah, they made a mistake but like I guess it's like they have this immunity and everything where no one's allowed to criticize them. They don't have to answer for it and officials just have this like immunity from any critique. About a game I just love the controversy and so I want more of it. I like it. Outta coaches I think the resting at I. Don't think that reason is that they think that if coaches are talking in the media, it's going to persuade the officials and it's GonNa Cloud, their judgment of games. No, I think that. You know I went to. Broadcast, it was like a minor league broadcasters I. I was talking to a few much say okay and one thing I said was every time and this was a month when I was in the h. l. and the H. l.. A. Lot of the broadcasters. Sometimes, we'll just go off on the rest because it's a little bit after we've heard. Yeah he's very it. It happens in this league sometimes very rarely. Happens in the NHL, there are certain guys that do it, and generally they get slaps on the wrist they stopped. But in this league eappen happens all the time I said if you call out the rats in this league, all you're doing is saying we work for a really crummy league that can't afford to pay good rafts. We have horrible talent on the. Ice In this league isn't that legitimate that's all you're saying you're not saying like it's not the NHL so I think from that perspective you're saying protect the integrity, the League the second that you dump on official the next time we enter a game we assume that all our reps are horrible which the NFL has gotten into everybody goes into NFL Games. Now oftentimes, some teams do assume that there's going to be they're gonNA. Get screwed at some point and I think the the NHL has avoided that for the most part the NBA has gotten into a little bit that's their fans clamor lot. But between the MLB, the NHL, they've done a good job for protecting their officials in protecting the integrity of the rules. that. You can say I mean you. Be the NFL. For Jeremy when they had the replacement, Raphael is an absolute debacles a nightmare that one call in the end zone they're made the actual wrestling money by bringing him back. Yeah. Definitely. See it less in the NHL been. You don't have that like. That one call recently that you're like, wow this. Infamy at least that I can remember I mean it's possible. No, there has been nothing like that saints one right nothing even close. Yeah aware. In I, don't know if there is even that much of an instance like like there's a penalty that can be called. Like, you know an overtime penalty, but that's not directly leading to the goal. You can still kill the penalty the only bad one and it was because of the rules like they couldn't go back and look at it. Was that Vegas Sharks thing when the sharks come back selling that was the only could've that it was a to negate my gave him a five. That's the only a greeting thing that maybe even that's that is a judgment call yes two or five. State Yeah. It was judgment call for the officials at the time and they change the rules you can take a look. Yeah. I I. I WANNA, see more of it but. I like you know there's there's a fine line between integrity the league and talking about officials for the sake of like give the media something every once in a while I just think the line is too shallow right now it should be raised. I think we should give them a little bit longer leash that steps my thought. With that I mean the NHL has been a ton of fun to watch it's continued to impress not wait for this game seven between Colorado and Dallas Colorado has storm back. They're a fun team to watch man if they win that game seven, I don't know if anybody stopping them their team a lot of injuries. Yeah. Right now for Colorado with the goaltender out, land is COG was last game. So they're they're fighting through it Yeah. After game five, hundred everything for your team's deadly. The the. Play behind the net where he cost it up right in front your guts all time Gaffe in and they bounced back. So well with their third string goaltender in that WHO's been getting a few times this year is like good for him good for them yeah and little adversity Louis mercy is all takes every once in a while. All right. Well, we are back on schedule. We'll talk to you next week. No more weddings for the foreseeable future something goes wrong and at my house number now and then things turn around but I don't anticipate that things are going good on the closer evidence. All Right, Zach you congratulations again. Thank you everybody. Have a good one.

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BONUS : Head Coach Todd McLellan

All The Kings Men

13:18 min | 1 year ago

BONUS : Head Coach Todd McLellan

"You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome at King's fans my name is Jesse Cohen. This is all the king's men head coach Todd McLellan was kind enough to sit down with me one on one we're going to try and make a half aw yes and yes excellent social thank you very much and to execute the plan how far does that autonomy reach I mean are you involved roster construction can you request a player be called up at any given specific times all here they've turned the team over to us as a coaching staff but any decisions that are made everybody's included in them we value opinions from other think we expected them to get to this finish line and they've done a tremendous job in in adopting picking up concepts being able to participate with their teammates and they've ends or give too much feedback you wanted to make your own judgments but I mean obviously you're familiar with some of these players I think that's twofold one tawny Thurgau roster construction how important is it for you in this specific instance you know your relationship with Rob Blake and just in the tremendous cowpeas skating he's got a spark to his game he seems to be enjoying things that's nice to see it's not a surprise but it's certainly nice to see we talked about the as long as some of us have been you begin to formulate opinions of individuals and players and whether that's the Foley coach Carter whoever it might be joining me now head coach of your La Kings Todd McLellan. How're you doing today I'm doing great thanks for having me right off the bat you and I've never met before do you prefer coach Todd Mr and then you come into an environment you'll realize these players do live up to those reputations or they don't and for the most part the players have they've been tremendous they've been willing to accept by subscribing to the podcast or following on social media if you don't already but for now let's head back to the Barry Melrose podcast studio and Sunny Elsa Gun no kings insider John Rosen our introduction to Jim Fox and Alex spouse new podcast and of course the ten biggest questions facing the canes with Dame Joseph Never Miss an episode he's on the team right now in in Blake Szott and Toby Bjorn for and they both weren't necessarily surprised as we expected them to play while I don't people whether that's the assistant coaches people that are on the management team and by no means do Robin Todd make all the decisions but we work on them together Alan well let's say this I've been called many other things sure so any one of those three is going to work for me Okay Todd Right off the bat you've said in your opening press conference he said it at the state of the franchise event I've heard you repeat it multiple times that one of the reasons that you agreed to come to the La Kings was the autonomy that you'd be given any player that has surprised you in camp and I know you have made a point of saying that you didn't want to have other members of the Front Office influence your opinion talk they belong here and they certainly do to start the season at least we'll see where it goes from there the second part of the question is the veteran part and when you're around the league well what we do and what what we have done what will continue to do is work together Rob and Luke have assembled a very good staff of very smart hockey evolving landscape of sports in general how important is it for a coach and general manager to share a vision to be on the same page whatever phrase you WANNA use well I don't think in imports it's a strong enough word it's essential you can't have an individual that's managing a cap and signing players see it one way and the veteran players that I have a familiarity with and to is the young players that came in that you don't know much about in the second one's a little easier answer obviously we have to pure road age we have to have a vision of where the team is going together we have to share that vision we both have to work towards it and I think that towards younger players faster players than you know the style of play changing and evolving are you a disciple of that play new equipment new training methods new coaching tactics so the game has ever changing were never in the same spot on any given day so we have to look ahead bond between coach managers really really important there's no chance at success it doesn't exist heard a lot over the last few years about the league movie responsibility from the for the for the past pardon me that's both success and failure and they're willing to try new things and you know guys like Jeff Carter I think is headed in the labor force I think it's inevitable that evolution happens in a in a game there's a there's many different things that that that come in an and prefer certain type of player and then coach thinking the complete opposite it just doesn't work so the the manager of the coach to be on the same philosophy me do you believe that the game is really undergoing a complete change or do you think it's just sort of a you know momentary shift in I'm we can't always look behind and and the game has changed over the last little bit as far as pace skill set sometimes size and those types of players right junior level AHL NHL you've had success at every level who is there anything that you've learned over the course of your career or or any opinion about authority of the people that are involved coaches managers but trying to understand why certain things are happening and and I think that's a big change technology is our having a huge impact on the on the success of many teams so we're going to continue to look at that but you can also review and look back to early as the playoffs last year at Saint Louis online twitter you know different people responding to their night and most of the time it's positive so they can be confused as players are a lot more inquisitive now they have a lot more courage and and the wherewithal to ask questions about why things are happening why are we doing things not necessarily questioning the have game that's presented to them whether it's speed skill physical and nasty game it's nice to have all of those elements wrapped up into one you've coached all but yeah the the game is is ever changing and and I think that coach's coaching staffs players all have to find a way to stay current have you reached a ceiling on changed the game players now immediately go to the phones for feedback you think about it after the game they they've got more feedback before we even get a hold of them the next day whether interested in it at all and I caught a lot of breaks along the way so for a relatively young coach to have been presented and it ended up being a great opportunity for me the one that was presented to me I entered the the coaching world at a very young age when a lot of former players weren't of that tends to be the type of person that becomes a coach I believe they're not always the stars the stars can often they're artists they can it for the most part trying to get them to understand why certain things are occurring on the ice and why we do things a certain way will allow them yes they had some size they had a a heaviness to to that team and they used it when they needed it so I I think the well built teams have a little bit of everything and can play any type I believe to have a greater chance success you mentioned you're playing career I'm curious at what point did you decide to make the transition to coaching when did you those opportunities I don't think they exist as much for young twenty year old anymore you've got a lot of experienced NHL coaches may be American league coaches back to junior near told you can't anymore either because you're not good enough nobody wants you or maybe because of injury you find a way that you maybe can stay in the game and for me I fell into coaching states on when I was ten in and saying hey I'm going to be a coach I wanted to play thing is the best job in pro sports being a player after that when paint coaches tend to be paint by number guys they're more connected and you know let's face it the players now are making really really good you know we used to show up at the rink we didn't ask questions we didn't WanNa know why we just showed up and whatever they told us to do we did and that being coaches managers whoever it was I think the and why you know why am I not on the power play we'll tell you once knock on the door again we'll tell you twice third time is probably not going to be a good knock right good money and they deserve it they've earned it when they're all said and done I'm not sure that they want to get back into the fold and and commit themselves for stands out as maybe a potential future coach well there's some very bright a bright players that ask really good questions I think they're a ten the greater l. a. areas just overwhelming really when you think about yet my wife and I haven't felt that at all we live in a little bubble elsa gun no Manhattan Beach Hermosa wherever I never thought that little bubble would exist as much as it does here that's the trick is that it's really a city of bubbles and you just have to find the connective tissue between the lifestyle that that we maintain of two boys and they begged for dog all the time but they leave for college every fall and guess who would be taking care of it that would appeal to you or fulfilling in some way I'm not sure that coaches per se all plan on being coaches I I never started putting them for more hours than last peso it's entirely up to them I'm not sure who on our team right now would fit that mold but be probably better question around Christmas when we have does the league need to do something to put more of an of a reward on regular season success great question have to put and it's taking away from opportunity for Twenty one twenty two twenty three year olds as I was I know you haven't had a ton of experience with the guys yet but anybody on the roster that these calls fatigue there's a lot of factors that come into winning at that time of the year two final questions can we do this again and we're going to win on Saturday night some thought into it real quick here I I look at it from the other end of it when it comes to lottery time they they've fixed that problem with teams may be a guy that's wondering why he can't have a piece of candy keeps asking why while that's just maturity our guys are pretty good that way and I think they understand the emotional level of asking not icing the right type of lineup the lottery system takes care of the bottom part of it I'm not sure if there's a big enough reward for the top part of it and with L. as a hockey market but anything surprised you about the city as a resident well one thing that's unique is when you go to a city you often wonder what it would it be like out of this give you the chance to hear directly from the people shaping this franchise moving forward the season starts Saturday night and Edmonson we hope you enjoyed our season preview how many times a player can ask why I mean I it's noble to say that that has changed into into want to explain to someone but I mean like you know everybody's is it could be but it's the way it is and it it just shows that there's parody in the League anybody can beat anybody on any given night injury you know now that they've gone to this divisional type playoff format you don't necessarily always get rewarded one versus maybe sixteen it would be the two of us and it's just not fair to the dog the way we live live admire that answer Jack Campbell was asked recently and he said he didn't think it was mature enough to handle the dark the bubble you love to work or it makes sense I always thought it was the city of angels but now you may have answered this already I'm I have to ask do you have a dog I love dogs we had dogs growing up and I would love to have one but it's just not fair to the dog right now up here what would it be like to coach in Chicago or New York or wherever and we often wondered that here in La and L. as a obviously a huge city it's massive there like that one too looking around the League one question that I've often wondered in its it comes up now more than ever when the playoffs you have these upsets in the first round buddy is you you tend to find everything you need there really the only driving were we we we do is to head down to staple centers for a game and somebody joined the organization or or come from out of town sort of a typical question you know what do you think about Elliot's a hockey market obviously been in San Jose for a while and then the game where players are how to

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Nov. 14, 2019: The Curious Case Of Ilya Kovalchuk

31 Thoughts: The Podcast

1:20:36 hr | 1 year ago

Nov. 14, 2019: The Curious Case Of Ilya Kovalchuk

"Sure Actually Jeff on you had a joke for me. No no actually I you know. Are you good. You got my mic. Mike here ammo okay. I got got something I have to just put on before the show that's disgusting. Friedman thirty one from the University of Western Western Ontario. GET NAKED GET purple. Goes things go look it this. Actually that was one of the t shirts when I was in fresh. Good naked picture of this. Oh my God is this because I wear University of golf tee shirt like you get ready. Gwen t shirts. which is all Guelleh has we? You Have Nice Hockey Jerseys Elliot. What are you wearing? I'm wearing a University of West mustangs hockey Jersey. We were at on number thirty one number thirty one they did for thirty one thought which will be relevant for a couple more seasons and then we got a lot to get it updated. I wonder if they'll pay for me to get it. restaged like Willie calander choose from thirty one to thirty two but all thirty one friedman jerseys out there we'll have to get them updated so there's a lot of those anyway. They has something called the seventh man. Where a bunch of alumni get together and help raise money for the program and We had a dinner last Friday and I was up there and It's always great to go home to Western. I spent a lot of time there. I went to university Guelleh. Was You know much to your Chagrin But I had a lot of friends that went to Wash House all all the time I was at the CPS we were actually were there on receives. We were there on Friday night. Yeah listen he go to the The Detroit Tigers is bar there. Joe Cool show cool still Joe. Cool's is still there. Yes one of the questions. One of the players asked me because we had a public with People sitting in the crowd after we did though the one at the beginning and one of the questions that got asked was. What were your three favorite bars at western while the CPS always asleep slash Barney's all of? Let's really one place. There was a place called of spoke on campus at western which is a great bar which is now gone. I saw bare naked Lee. Yes at the spoke bare naked ladies is to play their lowest of the low sky. Diggers like all year great Late eighties early nineties. Canadiana bands played there used to go see comedians there as well for percents on the night at this book. May I spent a lot of time in western. I think about it. Yes you did you because you wanted some good things to rub off you after working at McDonald's and going and I don't see that as an insult people worked at McDonalds. We used to joke because of their school uniforms. You work at McDonald's because they were the same colors had rather step in it and wealth and sleep with it it was yes S.. I I saw those sorts to outstanding And then there was another one that was called the rideout and that's now that it was a rough rough city bar went there and it was not always easy to go there because some of the people who were there were people who are actually from London and they didn't always like Western students students coming to their bar. Why because they're fed? Uncut insolence and money salad. Yes absolutely basically. That's exactly what it was and I remember the craziest thing that happened to me. This place was I. was there the night that buster douglas knocked out Mike Tyson. I remember that night. I'm in Residence Inn at University of golf. I remember that specifically coming back and waking up my roommate the town. Douglas just beat dyson because it was late at night. Yes it was Tokyo late at night and people start coming around going and we didn't see it. Buster Douglas. Just Mike Tyson and some of the Washington's were all talking about it and there was a group of local guys who didn't like us and they started arguing with us. It's about whether or not buster. Douglas actually knocked out Mike Tyson and there was a fight and a few people got objectives over whether Buster Douglas re-lead knocked out Mike Tyson. It was more. I I think that the The intellectual gravity of that sink in for a second. Yes yes there was and it was one of those things that was completely stupid and there was factual argument on one side and it happened. There was no disputing it but it was one of those nights at the right out where there was going to be a fight no matter what happened and it was over whether they're not. Douglas knocked out Tyson. This is after the is oxygen radical overrated his oxygen really on the periodic table and it was. That was the way that was an awesome place. But it's no longer in existence. I'm glad you had a good time and now do I have to stare at you. Our so aware this podcast the mustache and sideburns and now the purple stanks Jersey. Yes you have to look at it so tweet a picture of this. Oh by the way on Thursday morning when the podcast Castroneves just so everyone knows how professional I am. I have to do this podcast and look at you in that. So I'd like to thank Clark Singer. The head coach coach you know. They've had three coaches fifty five years. They were both there. The other ones Ron Watson who coach from sixty four to eighty five and his wife apparently is a faithful tim and said listener There was Berry Martinelli. Who was when I was there and I met a few players Ryan McKee? was there Chris Adia former goaltender was there I'm GONNA forget had a couple ones and I apologize not showing them up but almo you add a buddy that you went to high school with WHO is at Adam. Neth who played briefly with the London Knights went to Kingston first and then I think played five. Years is a player at Western. How did you go to when you were there because when I was twelve I did not miss more? There's one year I think I may have missed. Maybe maybe ten game maybe ten games that was when it was Jeff O'Neill Jeff Bass Toddler Tuesay high end stack team tree. That was a stack team up top and the one thing that was always nice about wealth is it was a steady stream of Ken. Balaj Ryan Vanden Bush like there. It was always sluggers on it. Well my first year Western. Don't forget the the Budweiser Gardens. Which is the beautiful downtown arena didn't exist oh you're at the you're at the rink by the High Wind Gardens and it was away out there? Louis DEBRUSK was there my first year one of the only guys I ever saw run the table in the H. L. Him and Matt Johnson is return ever very handle just like now. People are terrified of Louis. You know so. I didn't go to many because it just wasn't as accessible but that first year. That team was really good and they got upset. The first round by Niagara Falls with Brad May and Keith Primeau. Yeah that was the thunder team that would have been coached. By Bill of four George Burnett. Okay so the forge was there at Komo is a guy like was andy diesel. Their antibodies our hockey players in his. Well Steve Ludd six book. He's really complimentary. Danube's Oh but there was a play where that was a game that Western one that got knocked out in six but I remember being in a playoff game. They won and Some fan leaned over the glass to swear at antibodies. Oh and he whacked him with his stick at Davies. Could Chase a fan up into the stands carefree Halcyon days go elliot. I've always always felt that if you lean over into the field of play. You're kind of asking for it specifically in Rob Roy will tell you absolutely when you get on the ice. Yes if you yell from the crowd like he got up climbed on the glass because it was down by one of the goals and he put his face over so you should be a Pumpkin at that point. While you're out you're asking for you're getting on the field of play. That's what did you think of Chris. Paul Cohn who is the Philadelphia Flyers Fan that has always been a penalty. But then your house the lion's den and yes it yes scored a water all of these guys behind him You need to gatorade about nine to one with the Syrup now you uh-huh what's walks these going to be so happy that the glass and that rather time Philadelphian surprisingly to himself. I'm sure into the penalty. Box ties now coming out of the penalty box. Thrill tie the game at ten minutes declined. We're GONNA need a forklift to get him back in the seats given the worker I never mind the left. The Dow the title doesn't know what you're GonNa do in that is funny too because After that I got in touch with him when I was doing the old leaves lunch. Show with billy waters and got in touch with them and we went to a playoff game in Philadelphia and me and my old producer Jefto met HOOKED UP WITH CRIS IN PHILADELPHIA elsia. Honestly the nicest guy in the world I took us it everywhere all over probably loved the attention. Oh Yeah Yeah. Oh he did love the attention. You have a moment like that. You decide where it's going right and you can embrace it and laugh at offer for you. Can I get the guy from what I remember. A great sense of humor voted really good dude. The only bad thing about that story is Jeff. Just Kidding Jeff you know I love you. I know WHO's no big shots Bigshot podcast producer. All right this podcast. second-best podcast producer. I know those are your number one. All that's right. Those always number one. Those are podcasts. This is art. That was the frame here. Comes the art now. Thirty thoughts the podcast brought to you by the next generation. GMC Z.. Sierra trump's one of my favorite things Elliot to hear from a colleague is that was the worst throw anyone's ever given me nobody get that a lot okay. This juicy Elliott's tweet so last night before. I Surf Tuesday rather because this comes out on Thursday Yup Camera. Whether weather was dangle or it was your chop who said Jussi Elliott's tweet about Ilya Kovalchuk and that started the ball rolling with the situation with Ilya Kovalchuk and as we record this podcast Wednesday afternoon just shy of two thirty. Where are the kings at Elliot? Cova talk and what is happening with the player. Let's start from the beginning on Tuesday afternoon. I got a tip that he'd been told that he was no longer going being to play for the kings and that was before the morning skate. They play Minnesota home on Tuesday night. He did not appear at the morning skate and I understand that he he was told and he laughed. I believe with teams permission to leave and my understanding was he was told. You know you're going to be done. We're not going to play you any idea why I just think they wanNA play their kids and this is always a tough one to say because I'm thousands of kilometers away. I don't see the kings all the time but there's definitely a sense that last year in a year. That didn't go well. Some of their veterans were too comfortable. They had too to much control over the situation and they weren't doing the things that they needed to do to have a winning culture. Now I think the kings understand. They're tearing it down amount. They've admitted they're doing it. They started this process last Christmas. And they're continuing to do it by. They've got a lot of kids who they think are are very important for the future and they believe that you have to show the kids that a certain standard is required and we've seen them bench to fully. We've seen them now bench coal chuck almost Trevor Lewis wants almost Trevor Lewis once and I think more could becoming and they asked for more from co Petar Dowdy. They said you guys are staying. You're our leaders. We need you to set the right tone. They felt last year was totally sideways and too many players just weren't at the level they needed to be in terms of not even results but effort. And have you seen todd McLellan this year. He's gone off off a couple of times on their effort so they said this year we're going to set a high standard and if you're a veteran particular not setting a high enough standard around are young players and showing them what it takes your going to be out. You know you heard Todd McLellan after the game said you know his attitudes fine on Jacobo. Tires attitudes is fine but they just feel that I guess and they haven't really come out and said they just don't feel that he's part of the solution so I understood. They told him that he was done. You know I sent out a number of notes I sent notes to. GP Bury the agent. Who said he couldn't comment? I sent Geno to Rob Blake. I sent a note to their great. Pr Guy Mike Altieri and none of those guys got back to me. They just ignored me but I did get in in touch with people who would know and they confirmed that did happen and I sent out the tweet now. I kind of left it. I was working on my notes. I didn't watch the Kings Pre pregame on Tuesday night because I was watching the end of another game and then one of my friends texts would be in the business. Said you know. You're lucky you're not a winger coming down rob lakeside. Because you would kill you right now. And you know John Rosen from the The kings insider who does a great job with that he sent me the transcript and you know Blake. He was mad like I mean I saw the video later you can see how pissed off. Wasn't he was pissed off got out and he was mad and he just said look like he's a healthy scratch and he was asked if he could play Thursday against Detroit and he said Yeah I mean I don't know and e Kinda was very vague about it. So I- retraced my steps. And I spoke to a few people and you know I was told that. Initially the King's plan was to say you're done and I think there was pushback. I don't know if it was the agent. I don't know if it was the league. I don't know if it's the players association but the you know people stood up and said you can't can't do that if he wants to practice for example he's got to practice so I think it went from. He's GonNa be out to now. We're Kinda see where we are. And if they are trying to trade in which they are they might want to put them in a game to play and I WANNA say one thing about Rob Blake. He doesn't doesn't give me anything but I think he's always been honest if I call them our cinema note with a question I will either get an answer. That his hundred percent at the time proven to be honest or like on Tuesday I will get no answer and so when Rob Blake says that he could play on Thursday. You know I believe them. I think that this is a shifting story and I just WanNa say that You know I had some peoples sang me. Blake's calling you a liar where I don't know but I don't have any problem with the way Rob Blake has handled this. I think I was right when I report it and I think that circumstances have changed possibly so so. I got no problem with that but anyway so I think there's working on a COUPLA things. There was the possibility of him leaving the teen. There was the possibility of him. Staying through December fifteenth one is next bonus payment is doing and then leaving the team. There was the possibility of him just staying and either practicing or getting the odd game here and there. Although I don't think that's what the Kings want and I think there's also the possibility of you know. Would he agree to mutually terminate it and even if he does he still on the cab APP. It's a thirty five plus contract. I guess the only way he would do that because he's owed four point two five million for next year to is if he gets the money somewhere else. They can't remove removed from their cap or whoever else trades for them. It's a plus thirty-five deal so as we tape this I think they're still negotiating on what to do. I know there was a report today the day that there is a release being finalized. One of our assignment guys. Billy Duke said the Kings had told him that he was going to practice with them today. So I think that it's just kind of all over the map right now and we'll have to see me might have to do an emergency insert at some point in time job because I think this is all over the place so tonight night after we finish up with the flames and the start you doing that with nobody. stay up because we might be calling you. Maybe doing. An insert assert on my way home up the DVD and your tucked in Your University of Western Ontario jammies pajamas. And you may be dragged away a as you mentioned the L. A.. Kings are going through a rebuild. Plenty of teams go through. He builds this Detroit's going through one The Ottawa senators most recently Of Note isn't this just the sort of his. I'm listening to you. Talk About Rob Blake and I can understand where the anger and the frustration comes from I'm not controlling the story anymore. It's out there and now I've got to play you. You know catch up to the the story. I don't know that there's a perfect way to handle rebuilt. 'cause isn't there always going to be these moments. Where are you WanNa do something? You can't come out and say it someone gets it and then you're in a spot where your microphone and you have to explain like I don't know like I fuel for Robb way just to get Phil for peer Dorian and in some ways of hasn't been that awkward moment yet you know probably one is coming with the red rings and you might feel for C. visor sermon through it. I'm trying to think back. Handle the rebuild. Well like who did it like okay but I think the Rangers is the model for doing your rebate. I think the Rangers. He's like you know. They put out the letter. They explained clearly what we're going to do and they did it and they accumulated picks and prospects and and you know who really helped him and we talked about this at the Chicago. Media event was Lundquist. The year franchise player bought in is so like when I look at how you do a rebuild. You have your you throw out the ladder. You say this is what we're GONNA do. You explain yourself. Clearly your franchise player says I'm in for the long haul all and I'm going to buy in and I thought link was played really hard for them We talked about that. Then you know you go out and get some players like look at it. Did you watch the game like did. Did you watch the end of the game between Pittsburgh and the Rangers Oh with the heroics and overtime well the Atom Fox. Watch to see what Brian Rust was going to do and Oxford. Great on Tuesday night deangelis great may have been capital Calicoes. Best game as arranger. Well there you go and those are three of your guys potentially right. They went out and they get Fox and they they were smart about it and I think like if I'm doing a rebuild. The Rangers are probably a team. I look at it and say okay. Now you're rebuild changes when peninsula and says I'm GonNa play for you that kind of changes everything but you know still I think their fans. They were clear about their messaging researching. I remember. People made fun of Rangers for doing that. I think history has proven that that's the right way to go about it. You have to make sure your messaging is clear. I always always thought and it looks like wrongly that Anthony Dangelo was going to be one of those players so watch him tons of junior was a satellite so player player. I thought he was going to be one of those players. Couldn't help get but getting in his own way his entire career Bouncing around teams having a hard time finding solid olive ground. Where am I going to land and the most interesting thing about Anthony Deangelis you write about thirty one thoughts sports net dot CA? Is that if you're a player. WHO GETS IN HIS OWN way? It's best to be in a quiet market. He's in New York and he's playing really well And this is looking like a real good fit for the New York Rangers. And I'm see I'm a little bit surprised because it's a huge stage where every tiny little thing gets blown up but so far. He's been fantastic. Well I mean they set out the tweet from their stats. Twitter Account Account That you know he's got thirty points last forty one games. He leaves them in Defenseman scoring this year with fourteen points. And look your the junior egghead. Compared to me you know will a lot more about what's going on at that level and you know so good well he was Olga. But you know there were suspensions. There were character issues. And you know I mean. I didn't like some of the things I heard. But I understand that you're a teenager and you have a chance to grow up right you know I. I don't know Anthony the Angelo but I do see a guy who played for three organizations in his first three years Tampa Bay Arizona and now the rangers and you know what I hope. He's put it all together. You know this year. He had a contract dispute. He had no chance with but the end of this year he's got an arbitration rotation case as you know what matters most arbitration numbers. He's going to have them. It's GonNa be interesting other things in the thirty one thoughts blog. I've got a couple of things as one gets you. Well let's focus on some of the things that are in the blog by the way. Did you take a shot at me. You know I initially had your name there but I took it out the cheese pizzas pizzas. Disgusting was that a shot at me. Yes it was like. WHOA WHOA WHOA? I initially had your name in it. I actually Google like people like people fight all the time about should pineapple beyond pizza. It's like there's big internet fights right is a hotdog a sandwich or is it should pineapple beyond pizza that that was like pineapple issue too. I so I figured like you know I'm not GonNa do pineapple because that's too obvious. Actually Google a worst pizza toppings and got people came out with like clam. I'm so I'm not a clam on their car. Pony I'm not I'm not putting that on there and then you know the one thing I could reason I do know cheese pizzas because I went through my vegan phase. So I was doing that too yes growing up it was I went through my scoff as my heavy metal. That'll phase. I did a year. I was more of a PESCA sectarian. Whatever the hell is carrying whatever they call them I just sit there and I'm like I've had the no cheese pizza for a year and it is disgusting? I initially had your name in there but I did take it out. That was in the in the area of the of the Of the blog log. We talk about Taylor Hall and the Pizza Lunch with the With the New Jersey Devils Organization in Calgary again here we go wash rinse repeat the same thing thing every week. Where is Taylor Hall at the Devil's just know what the situation is? I suspect that when they met the message was a bit more direct that I suspect. They told him he wasn't gonNA sign during the year. Because I think that's Darren Farris history but You know I don't know that I would suspect it. I don't know that I think the devils know exactly what's going on and you know we'll see I mean you know. We have the devils on Wednesday night hockey against Ottawa. They've started to show some life. You've been against Vancouver. Is a big big win. You know they got six hundred ten points on a on a tough road trip. I mean that's pretty good. You know McKenzie Blackwood at least started started to show that if he gives them league average goaltending they're going to be okay but took savannah while to get going. It took us a while to get going. He took Gu several while ago. Going the star Nagoya now I think the biggest question is that they put themselves in too much of a whole before they got there Speaking of Tuesday night. Did you watch Colorado Winnipeg. I'll let me go over my Tuesday night. Viewing schedule. I watch Canadians blue jackets. Then I watched overtime penguins rangers. Then then I watched the last little bit of avalanche jets. That game was kind of a blowout after a while. So I think I watched the shootout of Cody's blues uh-huh and I went to a back and forth between predators cannot and oilers sharks with a bit of Red Wings. Docs mixed in there Kale McCarthy. Yup so Larry Murphy Perfidy holds the way. How many screens do you have at home One two three three and then some have my ipod up to see I. I don't like that I don't like it either. I do one screen IPAD and if I have to use my computer or phone but I find if I'm watching more than two games at once. I'm not really watching I've got volume on one. And then I do a lot of glancing like I'll they'll be one where okay. I need to focus on this one because we have that team coming up on Wednesday night hockey or we're going to talk about them on Ice Surfing or I've got to do it on hockey central. So the maple leaf games since hat shows primarily a radio show in Toronto. Make sure you pay attention to that. But I'm getting better at glancing a lot but my druthers. I missed just watching a sitting down and watching one game. I really miss that Elliott's but Kim car new mechanism Eddie Murphy holds the record for most points by a rookie. Defenseman in the NHL. seventy-six Yup. Okay Kate like ridiculous number that's eighty one sees. y'All think he would have been paired with Dave Lewis is the conscience of that pairing was Dave Lewis. That's right earlier you go do whatever you want. And I'll clean up the mess. Back here. Kill McCarthy had eighteen points in eighteen games Gilman cars five goals and thirteen assists kill Macara are looks spectacular. Yes so far. This season Saturday on hockey night is a great nightcap game. For a couple of sidebar reasons one of them is killed mcharg versus Quin Hughes News Colorado versus Vancouver and. I would like to thank our sports net regional team in Vancouver for promoting that I believe during last night's game against Nashville that through the board of the two players. Here's our eight then. I liked that kilmer. Cars got a shot at a couple of things here that rookie points record and unlike Larry Murphy that year because he lost the the Called her to Peter Stephanie. Picking up the call there at the same time I know. You're right about Nathan MacKinnon. I want to get your thoughts on that. And by the way I know Nathan MacKinnon is not the the captain I left out the word alternate and thank you to the three hundred view. I mean direct messages pointing that out. you know I just like to. I don't like to use the word McKinnon Fifty five times in one thought so I try to throw other things in there and I it up. Sorry Mr. Landis Cog quick thought then on Kilmer car and Nathan MacKinnon. Your point about McKinnon is a real good one. I think that personally you could make the argument. That he's the best player in the game. He's dynamite right now. There is a GM and I pointed out. It's not joe sack but he always texts me about how McCain was robbed in the two thousand eight Eighteen Hart trophy ballot voting at so you know you watch them in the third period the other night against the judge and how good he was and he is looked up some of his numbers and Jim Nil. He'll keep guessing Like this is a great. That's pretty eighty five. I think is playing great. You know it's easier to play great when your whole team is there. But you're missing Landis Scott you're missing Rantanen and and he's really going and playing with last night. Was Matt Calvert. Yoenis Donskoy goes goes good players. I understand that I mean they're not the guys. Yeah normally with but like Matt Calvert a good player Suras Donskoy is a good player. And that's why depth the so important in this league like if you're Nathan Mackinnon you can to make it work with those two guys because they'll grow and create space for you all. Where did he go? Okay I'm going there. Yeah they were down their third string goalie last night and they shut out the jets jets. Yeah by the way I heard. Somebody Call Frank Coups France. ooh Last night. I was like who's butchering that name. And then it turns turns out that the how much actually out something that that's how he wants his name pronounced. Francis gets knocked out early Kmart safely barrels into Yup find shuffling sharply to the front of the hour. Excuse me on French sauce. I should say Francis out. He's hurt palm all my couldn't beat her he's a he has not moved. Oh my Matt Sokolowski immediately out. I'm trying to credit. He did what you can hear sharply Hanley for this because here it here already said he was he was cutting cutting and he pushed me right into him and the referee said I think he said no he did it. And I'm not arguing with you and Jason York was making the point that after it happens if one stands around and talks Where once upon a time in the NHL? That's a twenty minute pause while we're picking up gloves and sticks Off The ice and is it better that that's not happening anymore. Is it just different that that's not happening anymore. I know goaltenders. Continue to be furious about how how players go to the net hard uncontested and when goalies get knocked down. Everybody stands around and appeals to the referee for penalties. Instead of actually doing something about it goes back to last week. Conversation about Lucci right like when Lucia started. If someone's did with Coal Sherwood you had your hands up and you you were ready for someone to come kill you. It just shows you how the attitudes have changed right. When I was a kid I remember going to see? It may believe gardens the leaves and the redwings things in Greg staffing was playing goal for the red wings. Oh boy and he wanted you to hit him so he could kill you. He was dying for a fight. Billy Smith you know Billy Smith if you want to fight fight Billy Smith would give you a fight. Giambra wasn't shy about showing her acts thaw hextall. It's just different now. I mean it's like old man yells at clouds like. There's no point in arguing about it because that it's just different. Now I mean look like I think sharply was at least trying to make a play. Yup I I can live with that. He's not skating from one hundred feet to run over Francis. He's trying to make a play. I think that's a little more understandable if he barreled over him on purpose than I think we'd all have a problem Arizona coyotes. Yup what Stati first team in history to beat back back to back Stanley Cup champions on Saint Louis on back to back to back nights on the road. Yes I'll tell you what man like. Listen I know they had their little speed wobble with the mini little losing streak. We talked about this last week. November is cruel to the chaos sixteen games in two thousand nine days if they come and then December greet some of the four game road trip if Arizona. Apparently they're really thrilled about it I would imagine if I'm John Checa. Who just got the contract extension I see the schedule. I am less than impressed. Press because November could take you out. November is not going to earn you a spot but when you look at what the coyotes have this month it could take you out but if they come out of this month the era Zona and right now. They're second in the Pacific if they come out of November with their heads above water Yup and without tons of injuries ace. This team's GonNa be more than just fine. Oh your than just being great position so they play wash on Monday night. It's three one in the third period. I think it was going to the third period three one for Arizona and I know I have to leave early on Tuesday morning for something so I go out at ten o'clock and I go shovel my driveway that way if my wife has to do it it's not as much snow very little snow. Yes I am husband of the year I will take all of your awards and honors however you want to send them to heated driveway. No no no I well. I like shoveling snow. I was offered the heated driveway. I said No. I thought it was too obnoxious. I like shoveling snow. I don't even hire anybody to do do it. I do it myself so anyway. I go out to shovel snow and one point time I'm like I'm listening to something on there on the phone and and then I checked the score of that game and it's three all and they're going into overtime so I listened to it. You know through the Angel Game Center APP UP. You can listen to the radio feed and oshii scores and overtime and I'm like okay. That's the game I turn it off. Yeah no I wake up. In the morning it's what Arizona Arizona whether to shoot only happen either. I woke up in the morning. I realized that like three hours later. I can't remember now but you know I was. I was like what they they won the game. How how did that happen in? Someone said to me that's why you wait. You don't turn the game off right away. got a hand at the Arizona so far I gotTa tell you the the. I'm surprised. The team like Toronto. Hasn't been all over Eric. Comrie now it could be that Arizona's trying to heist them. Listen it wasn't that long ago go Where we were having the conversation about the best goaltender in the NHL and Karma's right around the top of that conversation? I don't know no what happened. I don't know what happened either. Well he got stock there in Winnipeg right they have halibut and for a while they wanted the experience backup and then persuade played so well that he got that job he just got stock. But you telling me that guy can't be a backup in the NHL somewhere now. Arizona got a situation relation. Where campers extension kicks next year? SINOE their problem like they'll move one of those to go up they'll move Ranta or they'll move comrie you know you look at Toronto Hudson's making seven seven hundred commies making the exact same number like it's a fit but I can find no evidence that they're going for it you know I hate the stupid term insider because you're you don't know everything that's going on. I just can't find any evidence that Toronto's going hard after anyone like I like. I gotTA think they're looking at everybody but I can't pinpoint a guy who they've said that's our target like Louis Deming you know. He was available on waivers. He was available. Oh by trade. Now he's making one five so I know that could complicate matters. But I don't know how seriously they even looked at him. Even if the salary was not not as much of a factor so I'm curious to know what they're going to do here. Yeah this conversation Beltran because one of the hot button issues all season long it's been the backup netminding mining situation. It was last season when mcelhinney was exposed on waivers and claimed by Carolina. They went with jared sparks. This year Michael Hutchison has been unable able to win a game and the final nail in that coffin. Seems to have been Sunday's game against the Chicago Blackhawks. I got a text from someone. I think it was Monday. WHO's very close to the Kings Organization We said why not Jack Kemp. I know exactly who this is Jack Campbell. And I don't know exactly who sent this because I got the same tax. I'm not going to out this west coast individual arm. I the by He. He said the same thing to me again. I I wonder if he's making one six this year next yeah. I'm just wanting trump can do that. Well you can't if it's money out. Well that's the thing it depends on. What the Kings are willing to do have to be money out? Yeah absolutely but the other thing too is Campbell GonNa want a situation where he's GonNa play more. I would imagine so. How much are you GONNA play Toronto? Twenty Games twenty five yeah. I wonder if he's looking at it. I'd rather stay in La. And do this. I don't know I I mean he's got no control over the situation but I wonder if his preference is going to be that anyway. I need to me. And they've called up CASTA SUO so we'll see and I'm. I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong because I've had number of people tell me no that's not the way to pronounce it even though it says so in the NHL Media in the air pronounciation list. But but at a certain point. Casey you figure that Michael Hutchison's not going to get it done. You're going to see what you have in CASCA. Suo He'll play. We all suspect as early as Saturday against the Pittsburgh Penguins. But what if that doesn't isn't work. It's a good question. Then what's it's a good question. Now I should say as we're taping. This podcast got attacked from someone who said to me. I read your note on stay. They lock and he apparently remember when he was with the marlies. It didn't go well so he bet me it wouldn't be stay. Lock in stay locks. Salary ellery was seven eighty-five I and signed for two more years. But you know I wonder Guy Trista Yaris. It's six seventy five. The Penguins also have Casey dismissed but he's a one point three. I'm not having a great year. It works no no. And if you're GONNA give up an asset to make the move you're going for someone who's better than what you've got right and you know I wanted wanted to the Montreal guys McNiven and Lindgren because you know. They've got cayden Primo now. But I'm not sure Montreal's in a hurry to help a team will be battling battling for a playoff. Yeah a hundred percent. I totally get that so again. Comrades seems to make a lot of sense but I could see Arizona Holding Toronto up for for ransom The domino's it fall after the Mitch. Monir Injury Nick potain. Well he's going to get a chance to play right and by the way this has been one of the more curious stories all season long with Toronto. Maple leaves I know. There's a lot of drama certainly evolving Jason Spats and we all understand why for good reason. The story is fascinating to me. You can understand how that is a player that someone like Hal dubus would covet and perhaps Mike Babcock doesn't I can't remember. Uh I think it was you or was it. Cj who talked about you know the maple leafs have let it be known that nicotine is available. Yes and now he is getting a chance once again with Mitch. Barner out well again. He's too good to be playing in the American Hockey League and he goes back there for his first game against Belleville gets four points like he's too good to be down down there. Is You know I in baseball. What do they call those guys for a players? You know who good for Minor League Baseball but are they. NHL Others and you know you saw that feature sure that the evil telecom tsn did and it's it's hard not to to root for that guy and his family and you know. I had a chance to speak to him after the piece air. And you just said it you know it was like you know. It was a huge weight office shoulders to get that so I can't tell you how much I'm rooting for that guy. I think I think the interesting thing is captain. When he last played with two virus he played on his off wing and Todd warriner? Who really has a great for the game? Did a great piece just just showing how difficult that was for him. Now Kevin is going to get to Varas on his strong side. And I think that's a big deal so I think that's how that's GonNa work Else surround the League have a thought on Robby Fabbri last week as we went off the air on Wednesday night soon as that game was. Oh we did Saint Louis Edmonson last week. Honesty Fridge preach about what ten minutes after the game was over. Get an open St Louis. Blues Jacob Della Rose Robby Fabbri and the deal is done. I liked it a ton right away just for the potential Henschel Robby Fabbri. That Detroit was acquiring At this was a potential homerun pick and so far it has worked out four points and three games in on the last three game winners for the Detroit Red Wings and at least in week one. This is A double thumbs up for C.. VISOR and the Detroit Red Wings and have we forgotten. Just how Oh good robby Fabbri can be forget the skill because we focus on the injuries. This is Yes that's the answer. First of all you know what the blues did right by him. They he wasn't GonNa play there and you cannot ask for a guy who's starting over in the NHL really and his position. You can't ask for a better spot than Detroit. Steve Eisman he went out and he got Brennan Pollini he went out and he got Fabri. He's obviously looking for young players is to give them seem a jolt. Reclamation project reclamation remember we thought we bemoan the fact that who are the ones that want the reclamation project you know. Give me the guy who will you say. Listen we get them in our program. Our system our coach all of it we can make this guy work again. Looks like is that Guy Reclamation bryner percent. So when's the ho-sang Oh sang trade that that it's a question and obviously it's worked. He's you know as you're the like I said the junior egghead. You know about his history with Tyler. ALLERT SUSIE and I think that it's a great fit for him. And you know I didn't watch a ton of their game against Anaheim but I watched some of of it and the guys excited you can see. The joy is back for him and the blues. They're such a funny organization like they. They have had some brutal brutal brutal contract negotiations with players and they've also done some things that are really good by players and they you know they did the right thing by robby Fabbri here and I liked what they said they said look he wasn't GonNa play here and he's a great kid and he deserves a chance and we're sending them to a place where he deserves a chance and it probably doesn't hurt hurt. Doug Armstrong and Steve is women are really good buddies to okay bounce around teams Elliott a couple more things before we get to promote Salita the podcast Mark Stone of the Vegas Golden. Tonight's We'll be aboard a couple of moments time we sat down with him last week at CBC and had a really interesting conversation. That's coming up in a couple of moments. The New York islanders play in their zone A lot. That's bad right. Apparently not talking to one coach about it and he said he asked for data on how much team. I'm was spending in his own zone. He asked for who is the best of who was the worst and he saw the islanders down there. He said there was a can't remember who it is now. And I'm mad at myself because I didn't take proper note. But he said another really good team is thirtieth might be Washington. But I'm not sure don't quote me on that but he said that can't be right like how the islanders be dead last and be as good as they are and he watched them visit them he just said because they let you do things that they want you to do. So I mean that's a smart team. It's Martine we'll play around the boards nothing in the home plate area. It's like when you're a kid like you know you fence your kids off at a certain area play there. You can't go anywhere else. We do that with a new dog. We just got Nashville predators tough loss against Vancouver canucks one of the things Standard Sidecar Stats Man on a surfing. You have on Saturday nights on hockey night in candidates pointed out to me last night. That of particular note with Nashville you know is one and two and scoring on that team. Duchenne defenceman Roman Yosi and Ryan Ellis on great. I got this wrong radio hidden Nashville once a week. They're really they tried to get this wrong Last team to do that Was the Arizona. coyotes WHO's that Alva recommend Larsen and Keith Yandell. You know it's funny because I got it wrong with with nick on air last year we were arguing about the Rangers Erie when the COP. I thought Legion Zubov were wine onto but they were one three Hang on you were arguing with about his team. Yeah you were so arrogantly convincing raw one of my final embarrassing that's awesome. It's so embarrassing I watched the segment after I was like. Oh Oh my God Elliot you look like a total dink in this segment. We've talked about the best kept secrets around the NHL Romanucci. There's no secret anymore. You're still a secret about Ryan. Alice no I think people people know you know. I think people know how good Ryan says these compensated. Such you know he knew if he was going on of free agency he was going to do really well you. You know the one of the things in the in this businesses when you watch as many games as you and I do or other people the business do fans do you know we'll get shafted Central Division teams or the central time zone teams seems like natural in Dallas. Because I think like you watch in between the starts in the ass in his starts in the West it happens out in teams to some degree to for you and space in Canada. We we do pay attention to Calgary Edmonton the lot. So it doesn't happen as much but I I think Dallas is of the world. I mean nobody's GonNa Cry River for Chicago but I think it does happen I think the Dallas's of the World Nashville is the world's even the Saint Louis. The World Again Winnipeg's and Canada. I don't think for us. It happens as much. They do get ignored a little bit. Because you're you're maybe watching them during intermissions a lot or you think. It's squeezed in between so I do think players like Ellis getting missed a little bit but I think everybody in this league now knows how good the Nashville patters are and to be honest. There's times I'd turn on their games. I just want to see what's going on in there like what's going on in that building right now. Secret is out about Mark Stone on and how good he is going to break. We're GONNA come back and you'll hear our interview from last week with Vegas Golden Knights winger and maybe the best two hundred foot player in the game Mark Stone. Thirty one thoughts the PODCAST. Yeah there's nothing worse than struggling with your hockey bag when you just need to get into the room and get ready to hit the ice. That's where the next generation. GMC Sierra trucks. Come in you've heard about how the multi tailgate turns into a staff that's four feet wide and holds three hundred and seventy five pounds but it also allows you to stand about nine inches closer to the pickup box floor than other tailgates that means easier access to the one bag. That's slid all the way to the other. End The cargo box or the last of many. You're unloading as you haul the kids from rank terrain. I know what that's all of these as we joined now by Mark Stone of the Vegas Golden Knights. And we're just start the interview to something. We were laughing about off air. You've been in Vegas now for a while. Do you now notice when the temperature turns earns chilly. Yeah right now it's a it's called Lockin. Didn't take a ton of winter jackets with me down there so I just bought the one that I have so when you got to Vegas what is true true about Vegas that you heard and what did you hear about Vegas that you heard was true. That is a total and complete lie. Vegas is more than just a strip I didn't I believe that my whole life and now living there it's unreal just like normal city pretty much. Everything else is true vegas during too many myths. You like do you go on this strip. Like how much do you spend their forty one games a year And then every here and there I'll go for dinner. I mean there's some of the best restaurants there so not not not too much so we all hear the stereotypes about it. Tell us what a Boring Day in Vegas is for Mark Stone. How boring can it get? I don't know he's sitting out in the backyard. Joined the Nice. There's really not a ton of boring days. It's a bit different vegas in January than Auto January. I bet he has a lot different. I haven't experienced January yet But we'll see. I know the guys are already complaining about it being cold there. It's still seventy degrees. What a bunch of wimps? It's made them soft. I think he does. Yeah spoilt Ask Ask about Your your team. Now what did you think of Vegas Golden Knights before you became a member of that squad I was impressed for Twenty Three Guys Management Coaching staff to come together like that and make the Stanley Cup. Finals was pretty pretty crazy so when I went over teams that maybe VIP willing to go to is pretty much. The only one I wanted to do you ever talk to the guys about how like when you got there. I would imagine one of the conversations would be. How did you guys do that last year? You know it's I mean when you're not wanted you have that hatred Can really bring a team together. And I think that's what brought those guys together. Have they kept it. I I wonder like do. Keep it or when you have the success that they've had so quickly. Do you worry about losing it. I think when we have bad games guys kind of get back to it again get back to that. Remember what it was like the first year I guess Obviously wasn't part of it but I can kind of feel that vibe from them. I remember talking to you on trade deadline day and we ended up talking a lot about Brady could chuck and you're a real mentor to Brady Chuck. And he started to branch off into his own become his his own hockey players friendly with the with the Ottawa senators. When I see the name Brady could shock? What comes through your mind? I mean lots of different stuff It's an awesome kid made my life more enjoyable Still we'll talk to him on a daily. He lives in my house in Ottawa I Dunno it just became one of my best friends and I think always be one of my best friends. How good can this guy gets? I mean potentials endless forum. Obviously there's little things that he can get better at but he's got all these and You know all those little tools and make a great player you know. I'm watching him and I'm watching in Matthew and Matthew's had quite a week yet. That ridiculous goal against Nashville. And we're doing this on Wednesday the morning after he scored in overtime winner against Arizona. And I'm beginning to think that that as talented as we knew the CA- chuck brothers could be. We still under sold them. They're even better than they got credit for. He he I mean I think if you're watching like he plays not the prettiest thing to watch I mean neither of them are the smoothest skaters but they get to the right spots. They do all the little things and they're they're pains. That's hey look at it you know. Everyone gets pissed off. Players is They're annoying. I mean even play one game is Brady. It was so annoying. Amy Tries to Jab. Yeah everything stops at the front of the net little things like that that make them good. But that's what makes them tick. Tock Glenn Your head coach a couple of weeks ago on Radio Sadruddin. Which player do we not talk about enough on your team? In the media and right away said Riley Smith said you guys don't talk over Riley Smith at all and it's a crime we'll talk about wasn't some of the bigger names yourself and Marc Andre Fleury and Marsha so he said Riley Smith is a guy you need to pay more attention to if I ask you the same question. Who should we pay more attention to on your team? What's your answer early Smith for sure but I think that's the way he likes it? He likes to fly under the radar But if you watch him play in that whole line play unbelievable if the chemistry they have but he's kind of the one that always in the right position he's always backing guys up one of our best penalty killers. He's one of our best guys in the power play. Just good at everything. You mentioned something a medical i WanNa follow up. You say when you were talking about your future with your representatives you said Vegas was the one in place you wanted to go. was there anywhere else. Mark where you thought I may end up here for the time being. Yeah I think there's lots of teams that I thought. Maybe maybe I was going to go to. But when the time come there was a trade in place Las Vegas it was pending talking to my representatives pending Coming coming to an agreement couldn't have been more excited and I wanted to get that deal. Done your arrival in Vegas. Take us back to that day. Your thoughts when you step off the plane while night almost miss my flight actually Toronto ran through the airport scrambled my way onto onto the flight. No bags and was still able to get there and then to have that welcome was a bit of an eye-opener. Then he was called. The night was greeted by I members of his new team in True Las Vegas Style and right now thirteen action news reporter. Austin Carter is live outside T. Mobile Rena and mark stone expected to play tonight. Nine Austin exhortations though pretty high yeah toddlers they certainly are in He will hit the ice inside the fortress tonight no here. Those tears from a lot of excited lighted fans but listen many of them. They couldn't wait until tonight to see him for the first time they actually met him over at McCarron Airport to give him true biggest more so just signed an eight year deal with the biggest golden night. He was greeted at McCarron airport by chance. The Golden Knights Drum bought in more. The video was taken by eight thirteen to fewer would be one of the first babies born fans. Do you have any idea was. Spectacular is Vegas L. surprise surprise but that was wonderful. Yeah it was awesome. You kind of expect the unexpected not only in Vegas but from organizations so looking back on it. I was in shock but Now that I've played for the team for six seven months Doesn't surprise me at all. I do want to ask you a little bit about some things growing up. What is the story about about your neighbors? tailpipe being the younger brother is tough. is trying to score on. My brother couldn't score. My brother keeps shooting the ball. Further and further away from me in this me off enough to rip one right through the neighbors Taylor and my first reaction was like. Don't tell. Don't Tell Dad. My brother had to tell my dad's uh-huh I'd add lots but so Michael Really grinded Ya. I blame him the other one I heard was you're the goalie that you you guys played against the most when you would just fool around at home. Was Your Grandmother. Mother would put on the equipment. Is that true. Yes she'd go in there for US whenever we were over there my excuse was to put an 'cause he was big but me being a little guy and she was bigger than me. I was the reason we put our net. What what was she a good goalie like when she competes I don't remember. I think she was nice to me. And my brother she'd let us score else would be in tears. And you got your revenge against Michael in the Memorial Cup Cup semi final the year. You were there in two thousand ten and he is said that even though they lost it was still a big moment for him to finish his junior career head to head against you. What was that moment like for you us? Pretty Nice for me I mean he knocked us out on the place. Back to back years We were supposed to be this power team and then they end up winning the league so it was tough for me. But it's it's weird when you lose your brother wins it's It's never easy. You're trying to be happy for them. But you're also mad the law so it's kind of a weird feeling but I think he was pretty happy for me to finally finally get that When beat him eliminate him for the one time? That was an issue Memorial Cup as well and I want to ask you about one very specific play because I didn't think killer hall was going to get it up. That hits was the Travis Hammond a kit first period. Windsor and the Wheat Kings. Here's I gander by having all is difficult. Peter we expect to be matchup. It's really tough to match forward lines. But you knew every time hall would be out on the ice his world junior teammate Tabas Ham and it would be out there and hall is in some serious serious difficulty. What a blow to the hopes of the defending champs if indeed this turns to be serious Oh man and here's the thing about this switch? He goes face first into the boards. He had fact Roebuck was first back. He's the left side once gets around him back into his own hands and they hit him in that very unsafe area about six six to eight feet away from the head. I I didn't think Taylor Hall was getting up. Not only to get up. But he's quarter spectacular after. But where were you for that hits. I think that was my first shift of the game. I'm pretty sure I was back checking on it and you saw it. I could not believe what just happened. Gumby or something like that. He just kind of spun over and Pau backup backup was going into the boards. There's no way he's getting up. I was nuts. I mean I don't even think it would have mattered if you miss that tournament. That team was so good They were Kinda UH stocked memorial twenty one one follow up on that and it might be frivolous question but who knows what kind of fruit. This might bear so Carl. Murchison is one of the linesmen in that one and commerce and was the Linesman Vegas San Jose van regain abuse of official. So I mean he's into the NHL now is well what type of relationship when he was a official in the western hockey with two guys but would you have relationships with officials not in the same way as you do with players and graduated in the NHL at all to be any conversation with him and you made to the NHL as well as anything any type of relationship you have between officials and yourself when you're in the NHL. You grew up playing junior hockey. Oh there's that line again L. This guy again. There's a couple I don't really recognize a ton of them More the American League is where I notice most of the guys coming up through there so I don't know with with the form or how to get how you make it to the NHL as referee have no idea how that works. So I think more the H. L. Guys are the guys that I recognize the most. You Talk to referees much you talked officials. That was a guy that was a horrible call. One of those guys. I think when I was younger I used to be get frustrated with it and now kind of trying to build those relationships knowing that those guys are basically going to have the same careers me Yes it further to that question. We were in Chicago for for Media Day. And we'd interview view Sidney Crosby and we said you know any regrets so far in your career and he said the one thing I look back on now is I really wish. I hadn't treated officials the way that I did early on. I just going at them and just being relentless and he said I've spent a lot of time apologizing Ever since you were never someone really wanted when it officials I I mean I have for sure I think when I was an auto I'd definitely did A lot more than I have since moved on Vegas but they may they make mistakes select stakes. It's just the way it is our percent you know Jeff Ashi before about the begin on Taylor Hall. I worked the game in Winnipeg where you got hit by buffalo and that was one one of the loudest sounds. I've ever heard and I have to tell you. Mark one of the most impressive things that I've ever seen from you as you came back and you play shift in that game now you ended up listening all the rest but when I saw you on the ice I was like this is one tough sob. Because I could not believe you came back that night. Yeah I mean he hit me as clean as he didn't really never touch. My head never had any issues with my head which is kind of one of the things we appreciate about his hitting you know. Oh he's never dirty. So I got up went out there and miss the rest of the game. With general soreness was in the. What was it as? I assume that as hard as you've ever had it's not even close. Yeah unbelievable and like did anyone ever said anything to you about it in your teammates or anything like that. Yeah we laugh about it now. I mean you see it on the biggest hits every time they show you know you see it so we can laugh about it. You must be really disappointed that he's not playing this year or ask you what the Selke Trophy I've been on this Elliott's rolling his eyes already. I can hear well. This one is true. The lawyer Crusades or ridiculous. This one's legit policy. If I have a suspicion here that you might pick up what I'm putting down here. You're letting his last winger to win the Selke trophy And I think that along the way in Marion hoses career as winger. He should have won. the Selke trophy as well feel the same way about you that there should be a selke trophy already. Eighty in your hip pocket. I'm sure there is on the horizon. Did you ever think about that. Like Hey Hubbard a a winger. We winning this thing here. Once in a while there's nothing in the definition that says a winger. You can't win that trophy. I mean I think people just believe that centers impact game more than a winger dozen. I do believe that but at the same time winger can be just as impactful as a Centerman. I mean it's tough to say because the guys who were winning at her another you know three Spurs Ron. It's like how do you argue. You know what I mean Riley last year. It's it's so hard argue so it's just a just a tough award to win here. You make the case for it and I mean would you even make the case for her. Would you ever say I deserve to win for this. Reason doesn't strike me as you're kind of personality. I mean obviously going to the words last last year I wanted to win but when I looked at who I was sitting next to definitely wasn't expecting to win one of the plays you made is one of my favorite of yours is is your is still not a while. You're playing against Toronto Saturday night. They just score and right off the Oh the next draw. Who is it that you knocked the puck off of mm-hmm went basically went in alone? He is I understood. They okay so like I'm watching that play and you you read it the moment off the draw pay attention to them. They I knew that they're they're talking about it before. I kinda figured they're going to try that really. So you saw and you jumped jumped. Yeah I was just sitting on it. Yeah so I wonder like is that and I'm asking you to talk about you. Which I know is not your favorite subject but is that Louis or did somebody teach you mark? Look for this. I don't know I think. Just a Lotta guys you can kind of see them huddling together to look at plays for senator as plays. There's really only one or two so just gotTa have to Guess Zone Ozone faceoffs. He kinda like see guys planning a play and it's kind of hard hard to see it but at center ice he kinda know exactly what they're gonNA do and they're trying to scheme something up big goal. I remember I for the longest time in the western conference. The game that everybody in the east had to stay up to watch was Anaheim Los Angeles. Those games were intense. They took a long time. There are a Lotta panels sort out and it was flat out fun. The games now that everybody in the East needs to stay up for the Vegas Golden Knights in the San Jose Sharks Person I think. That's it's the best rivalry most intense rivalry In the NHL. What are those games like from your point of view I mean they're awesome. We get up for them He kind of brings out hatred back for our team. That lost lost your stung. Everybody kind of lead into this year and those kind of things. Those kind experiences can make stronger and make you WANNA win even more. Who Do you hate the most on their Eric Carlson? It is Carl no question. I I knew it's never fun. Losing your buddies I gotTa thoughts on Ryan Reeves One of the most colorful personalities in the game was just on after hours. I This past weekend and delivered every time him and Scott Oak together are must watch. TV what's he like as a teammate. For you and what do you think the lowery fight on Saturday not surprised I mean. He's on the draw round. Let's back up to their day almost almost want it. Larry made some good comments about that. Actually yeah he's what he is He's always happy he's always ready to joke. Around with the guys but He's intense you know. He provides something that not many guys in his league and provide a kind of makes everybody else a little bit ease head on the ice last year during one of the Games I think it was last year. He was a maybe a couple of years ago. Hakkinen can't roll pack of your expressions. Like you sit here with us your quiet. Hi It calm guy and then in game mark stone happens and you are fierce and there's a lot of you have when you celebrate or the team does something something well it's like you're a completely different person. Have you ever watched video of yourself. During Games yeah girlfriend will show me every year and there are some things Zahn going through twitter instagram. But it's kind of embarrassing some of the faces but I don't know it's just so fun playing this game It's so fun winning And so fun on being out there Being on the bench is almost as fine as being on the ice. You know sometimes when your team scores and I've just enjoyed doing it with the team that I'm on now enjoyed -joyed playing for Ottawa. Trying to win an Ottawa. And now it's the same in in Vegas it's just all about trying to find ways to win. It's good to hear that you and I have. There's something in common that your girlfriend is like my wife's like what an idiot you look like in this particular photo I think they get some satisfaction out of it. The other thing I I heard about Oh you to mark is just that You are really hard on yourself. I have not made say about you. That you'll make an unbelievable strip or play together pock and if you miss up teammates sweet spot by like a centimeter. You'll go bananas about missing that pass. And they think that that's what's got you to where you are because you are really really tough on yourself. Yeah I mean yes and no. I don't like making mistakes on the simple things things that I know all I can make plays. I know I can make things that I do poorly that I know I can take out of my game. Those types of things really irked me but I think I think that I've learned that from the best players. You Watch crosby mcdavid all these top guys They're the same way And maybe two more extreme. They don't like make mistakes and they really liked to win and they want to Help their team win. The other thing I've heard about you is that you are not afraid to be told the truth and that you prefer prefer the truth even if it's hard that true. Yeah I mean I think that's Kinda the way it has to be. I think that should be for everybody. MM-HMM I don't really like when coaches go after certain guys because it's easy and that's what I appreciate most about our team we at twenty three guys who want to be told on there do some good and they want to be told them to do something bad. So we're sitting in the studio here doing this interview mark. And this is the Ice Surfing studio which is a showy due you Tuesday nights on twitter and we're on last night and we're talking about an ESPN poll about NHL player burner accounts and the number was thirty four percent of NHL players have burner accounts and that seemed really low to me. Does that number seem low to you. not really I. I don't have one so you have your own my own. Yeah everything yeah I mean there are some players like listen. I want to know what's going on. I don't want everyone to know that I'm following this bunch. Gotcha people to find out. Maybe a little I guess but do you read your mansions sometimes. Yeah have you ever gotten angry with anyone. Say to you Yeah Yeah I mean. Last year at the treeline was tough getting different mentions from different people from different places. It was wasn't easy but that one was kinda turned off. Do you block or mute. Both Gabby la you want. People know that they've been rejected that I don't WanNa get another other comment from anyone else so I just hit the block button. It's easy you know it's interesting. You mentioned that because in this business the job that we do people understand the around that time of year it's craziness but I got a call about you last year and someone said to me you know you gotta be careful with Mark Stone because last there was a report that you didn't like and you came right out and said that is bs and you've always taken pride in. I speak for myself and nobody else speaks for for me and I thought that was really into somebody actually called me and told me that like mark will get upset if he doesn't like what is said about him. Some guys will wash it off but it's important to you. Yeah I mean I'm pretty reserved like as you guys knew through that whole process. I don't say much Like everything to be done internally Turnley between me myself Mera presentative and and the team that I'm dealing with so when somebody makes a comment about me that isn't true I like to address it. It's tough to play during that time trade deadline's on horizon. Everyone's following stone. What's happening every whisper every tweet was it tough? The playthrough through that was like one or two games were wasn't easy then Canada's told myself can't change anything you're playing for the Ottawa senators right now. I was proud to play for the Ottawa Senators so continued to play and have fun. Just a last one for me that I have mark. Is that Look every player's goal is obviously the win the Stanley Cup. And you guys are going to have a great chance at it for years to come but use drugs. Music guys got a lot of different things that he wants to accomplish. Besides sides winning the Cup one of the things in your life. Do you say this is what I wanted to do by the time I'm done after going through last season not not knowing what was going to happen not knowing where I was going to be being out in. The public wasn't something that I really wanted to do. And now I know I'm going to be in Las Vegas for for eight seasons You know you wanna be a good ambassador. You WanNa be a part of that community and really help build the the hockey brand The charity side and and You know develop our hockey programs and I think a lot of the guys who have kids in in hockey right now are trying to do the same. We love living there. We love playing there and we WANNA to help build the build that city to hockey hop at do you ever listen. Everyone's Got Golden Knights Jerseys t shirts and get it and you can see it on television but do you ever see the odd Vegas Thunder Jersey Old Radic Bunk Jersey from the AHL team at all. Never everyone's just die hard nights near the only does I would. Would you brought up a lot of the McKenna stuff this year. Yeah Mike McKenna. Now that he's working with the they had a few of his Las Vegas Wrangler. What is it like stuff when you do? TV stuff is pretty funny. That's awesome. It's been delayed catching up. Good luck the rest of the way. Good luck with. Yeah so all of you listening to this. You know who David Amber is. He's the host of the Maple leafs regional regional games and he hosts the back end of our Saturday night hockey night in Canada doubleheaders. Well David and I we like to wager. We like to bet on. Maybe a couple games teams. Who's going to score the first goal time of the last goal? Things like that what we do is we go to odd shark dot net the source. The latest odds from leading authorities expert editorial content in detail matchup picks looking for statistics and transferred upcoming game. Odd Shark Dot net has those two and it's free expert in-depth analysis stats numbers and trends to help. You make the Sharp Game Day. Picks whether you WanNa again on the football action tonight's hockey games or anything in between go to odd shark dot net. This is not a gambling site but it's very useful for Information Asian. I would advise you David Amber especially if you're listening to go there because I'm tired of taking all your money without competition and you need some help. Okay Elliott that is Mark Stone of the Vegas Golden Knights who should trigger false also probably have a selke trophy by true. Are you gonNA come on over to my Enough of this. I'm not gonNA argue with you on that. Yeah we're GONNA have a guest Donnas gracious enough to give him the twenty five minutes of his time and say no. That doesn't deserve a selke trophy. Of course right now. My his candidates just went up and my is by the way. Thanks to cede Simon's that's from Vegas. Is that because I want to get too inside baseball. We had to do some shuffling and sage and mark stone came through in a big way and we appreciate it and Nice Interview Real Nice Nice Guy Really good guy and poker face but she doesn't give much away until he starts talking. Because I thought that was pretty interesting like I always find that with hockey players anytime you can start talking about family stories growing up thought. The grandmother thing was outstanding for each. Well John Tip. That's that's a good tip by their. I've always found strategically strategically. When talking to hockey players you can never go wrong? Lightening them up getting them to loosen the collar when you talk about growing up playing hockey with family family Yup and he gave us a great story a wonderful interview. Thank you to mark stone and two sages. Well okay. We've waited till the end of the podcast Ataka vote. I Don Cherry You're there on Saturday. I've had my say on hockey central You've had a chance to talk about it as well Some time time has gone by now. A few days Since the incident on Saturday and Don No longer working with this company any what now now. I don't think we really know what now as we sit here and record this. Nobody's got the answer to that. At least not at our level Jeff you worked in the studio for a number of years. I wrote in the notes that we called it. The circus and they're none of us will ever work with anybody who commanded attention and was a bigger star than Don Cherry was by saw that personally. I'm sure you did as well at airports sports hundred percent. That's a great example. You know people and Don always traveled dress straight. He didn't like travelling anywhere but in his outfit and left his house he was done chair. He was Don Cherry and you know he got mobbed at those places and he was incredible to those fans since. I don't know what Saturday night's GonNa be like it's going to be it's going to be unbelievable. Does just sit there and see that this is not happening. I really a lot always. I'm still in shock. It hasn't hit me yet to me. The whole thing is just sad now. I know there were some complaints directed me on social media. I didn't see all all of them but I knew they were there. Because someone alerted me to it that I you know people thought it was slow to say anything I will say this. It's never going to be on twitter. I never ever ever ever. I think that's an awful medium for this kind of thing it's an awful media To explain I think the way you feel so I'm never going to do it there where I would have normally had a radio hidden Calgary on Monday afternoon. it would. They weren't working for remembrance. Day was a holiday there so it didn't happen until Tuesday afternoon and evening in Toronto and Vancouver and I'm not going to apologize for that. That's the way I believed in the blog didn't come out until Wednesday at those. Were the best places to do it. Look Ah I sat there. It was a jaw dropping moment when I saw it. You know. I think those of US watching it knew it was bad right away and you know I I just think the whole thing is really sad. I think it's I felt sad for Co workers who I knew were hurt. I felt sad. Hockey is supposed goes to be inclusionary. You Know Jeff all like the. The world is changing north. America's changing we have to embrace the fact that there are new fans of hockey more and more new people who WanNa play hockey and I could see them feeling excluded when that happened and it's not acceptable. I can't believe what I'm watching on social media. I find it tough to watch Don's interviews. I feel horrible for Ron. It's terrible that Don's career is ending this way and there's no winners it's terrible thing and You know I really liked when Anthony Stewart said on your show on Tuesday said I'm not gonNA kick a guy when he's down and I believe in that too very strongly I've been in that males that Social Media Maelstrom before you know there but by the grace of God go I and I think the whole thing is sad you know when my grandparents grandparents came to North America in nineteen forty eight. They came with nothing and they heard the. Up People Even though we're not visible minorities they got it. And they I always said you gotta live and you gotTa thrive and that's the way I've always looked at it but I think this whole situation is sad. I take no joy in anything that happened Sunday. Take no joy in the fact that dawn won't be with US anymore and I just wish we could roll back. The clock never would've occurred my concern after for all of it is and the point that I made on hockey central. Two days ago was on the one hand. To your point the comments were jaw-dropping and in can't be condoned and shouldn't be condoned Yet at the same time and we all have these moments I think in our lives when someone that that has never done wrong by us says something that you just can't condone or does something. You just can't condone and Don Cherry has been nothing but outstanding to me personally personally. Don has been nothing but pleasant respectful friendly. I can still remember right where you are right now. Don Cherry sitting across from me me and say hey. Can I pull you aside for second for a walk and I was like okay. What's Don Cherry doing here? He said I I just heard you put your dog down and I want to say that. I'm really sorry. And he had a box chocolates and he was very much you know. That person does not mitigate anything about what he said on Saturday but that has always. He's been that that going back to Saturday until today has been that inner conflict that I have because I'm like I don't WanNa kick someone when they're down can condone the comments. But that's been my relationship. SHEP with Don Cherry. My concern now from all of this is one of the things that I always thought that we pride ourselves on as Canadians Etienne's and we should really pride ourselves on as human being beings is finding common ground common ground to have conversation and with this issue right now now there is none. There is no conversation there is everybody's picked aside and they're screaming at each other and the thing that what frightens me out of all of this the thing that I'm perhaps more most concerned about through all of this is I don't know that there's even a desire to find a common in ground from both sides and when that happens then you hit new territory. Then you're just on your side died hurling grenades at one another and it's treated as if it is confrontation over conversation and I've always defaulted to conversation one thing that I usually come back to in moments like this and it's a subtle sort of linguistic twist when someone does something something says something like this. I always say to myself. Is that coming from a place of ignorance or is it coming coming from a place of ignorance and there's one of two ways that you can try to understand where dawn is coming from and maybe one has a different perspective some would say is from ignorance and others would say it is from ignorance and it depends on where you know which syllable you put the accent on. I'm concerned that in this one as Canadians. We are all behaving the way. Political critical discourse is unfolding in the United States where there is no conversation. I always thought as Canadians were different in. This issue is proving otherwise.

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06-15-19 Dion Phaneuf Buyout

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06-15-19 Dion Phaneuf Buyout

"You're listening to all the king's men, the official Todd cast of the LA kings. Now here's your host, Jesse Cohen. The LA kings off season has officially begun. The kings have bought out the contract of defenseman Dion enough Jabotinsky. Join me in the immediate aftermath share his thoughts on the move. What it means for the kings roster. Moving forward. We talked about it for about twenty minutes then got into a lengthy conversation about the Cup final the Saint Louis blues and what it means for the league to have a champion that plays the style of those blues. We are going to do a live podcast next Saturday during the late arounds the draft. We'll be watching the second and third round Saturday morning starting at ten AM, then we plan on going live around eleven AM or the end of the third round, we'll have some audio from Vancouver. Some guests from the king's hopefully we'll get a chance to talk to some of the players drafted. And of course, we'll be taking your calls about the kings the draft your expectations for next season etcetera. Then in the next few weeks will be kicking off our book club series. The first book will be discussing is the game by Ken Dryden. So if you'd like you can read the book, send in your comments and questions for us, we'll be taping that episode in the second week of July both of these obviously will be episodes of the podcast. If you can't hear the live episode it will be available if you're subscribed again subscription. Links and reason episodes can be found at LA kings dot com slash podcast. Okay. Now, let's get you to what you came for. Joining me now all the way from Minnesota, Jackson bonski, how're you doing today? Jack, I'm good Jesse. How about yourself? I'm good. So you and I talked about recording. And I said, let's put it off one day because I have a sneaking suspicion the going to get bought out, it happened a lottery in the day than I thought it would. But the kings of officially bought out enough talk to my dad. My dad about it last week. But what are your thoughts in the immediate? Aftermath of this news. Well, I think in the media aftermath in terms of what it means for the future is that the kings are in the process of going younger, and they're in the process of turning this roster into something that is going to be a little bit more towards what the NHL is moving to. And that's going to be a little bit faster a little bit more skilled and. The first move in terms of what the kings needed to do was apparently buying out that. But I think it's the right move, because ultimately, the, you know, with this rebuild that the kings look to be going into enough with his salary and what he brought to the team wasn't a part of that. Yeah. I, I was on record as saying that I would have done it for drama phone. I wouldn't have done it personally, just because I, I don't know. About the financial side of it. Now, admittedly. When I had that opinion I wasn't taking into account that auto picks up twenty five percent of the salary so next season. He's only like four four plus cap hit, not the five that I was thinking. So that's not as bad, it's four just just over four million dollars four point zero six two. So I mean in a in a perfect world. I would prefer that the larger cap hit come in the first season, so that you're, you know, you're buyout penalty is sort of reduced over time as it is they the cap at this coming season will only be two point one eight seven in the next following season, will be four point zero six two. So they find now hopefully it won't matter. They won't be pressed up against the cap if, if they're not pressed up against the cap. It's somebody else's money. So it doesn't make any difference to me issues a lot can happen in two years, three years, four years. So you never know. And I would just I prefer not to have to worry about that, having said that I do think there's tremendous benefit in not having to ever. Think about it again. Right. It's done. It's over. You know, he served his time and, and now he's no longer member of the organization, and so you don't have to worry about, well, the a healthy, scratch him can he rebound or they're going to figure out a trade. You know what is the due to the locker? Room around all that stuff. And that's not to imply that he would, you know be a poisoned in the locker room. It's just it you know every game that he's a healthy, scratch or plays, only eight minutes is another game where the conversation continues. So I do think there's value in just ending the conversation, then saying, you know, whoever it is that's going to replace him. Presumably forward in Martinez will be the top two left side defenseman next season. And so whatever you fill that spot with on the third pairing weather. It's one of the kids from on -tario whether it's somebody a draft, whether they go out and free agency in sign. You know, a veteran bridge player to fill that spot, you know, who knows. But it's but it ends the conversation, and so for that I'm happy yet. No, I think that's a good point you bring up in as you mentioned in. I think one thing that I really wanna rebound off of what you said is the eight minutes game. And as the season went on, especially once. You know, the reality of where the kings were going to be the season move towards the end, you know, they weren't in playoff contention in all of a sudden, you're playing a guy who's in his thirties, making five something million dollars. All of a sudden he's fine eight minutes game and then he's getting scratched. And I think, you know, getting rid of that, that area of concern or that area of just having to address in terms of being in the locker room and being around that situation having that, you know off their hands, and being able to you put someone who's twenty two or twenty three or a younger guy in that lineup who can use that, that, you know, that ice time, you know, to, to get better to grow to become a joke player or to work his way into being a valuable, you know, kings defenseman in moving forward. I think that's extremely important. And for them to just move on from Naf, it's the right move in many areas. But, you know the captain. An interesting one. I don't think we, you know, the kings aren't going to be in the Stanley Cup contention this year, so to speak moving forward. So it's time for them to kind of move on fix up their, their lineup and fix up the roster especially on the defensive end that we have at least addressed a few times in the past few years. That is something that needs to be looked at heavily in terms of getting back to a complete roster where drew doughty is an asked do everything. Yeah. And I you know, I can see I'm only looking at it from the financial standpoint that was my only real hesitation. But I mean I, I honestly believe that this following season and I, I suppose I believe this just because I feel like a half, too, but I feel like they're going to have a much better season than they did last year. We said all season long. We didn't believe it was the question of physical ability. We didn't think it was a question of talent or wise at anyway. But I didn't think it was a question of talent of talent or age, you know, we sides. Stepped and sort of tip. Toed around the notion of effort or, or you know, compete level whatever you wanna call it. And then at the end of the season, the players themselves, essentially came out and said, yeah, we dog that all your practices retire. But we didn't like the coach. You know, we were entitled cetera et cetera et cetera. So I have to believe that most of the guys in that locker room if not all of the guys in that locker room, just for the sake of, of preserving their own reputations will have better seasons. And so when you look at the roster, you have guys like I follow and Cambay who will definitely be back the Leipzig. I don't know what they're gonna do Brzezinski. I have no idea what they're gonna do Matt ROY. Maybe they bring him back. Maybe the Donald, you have to figure out the goalie situat- like there's all sorts of things that can happen. Next year were players could rebound where at the end of the following the end of this coming season, if they make it back to the playoffs, and I think it's within the realm of. Ability. You know, we saw the Pacific Division this year. I've no idea if Calgary is going to be as good as they were. I have no idea Vancouver's gonna find themselves. Frankly, I think Vegas is, as I said, just another dumb team, who know I deal, what's going to happen with San Jose Carlson as, if Donskoy leaves, if Thornton returns, the Pacific Division is a total question, Mark again. And if, if half the players rebounded have these seasons I think the kings could find themselves in a playoff spot. Now you're looking at do you bring back Tyler to Foley? Delek Clifford in Lewis go at the end of the year. You know what do you do with Forber, you know and, and, you know, the again, the goalie situation, you pay Campbell Peterson needs. There's all sorts of things that can happen in a year or two years. And I and I don't bring all those up to, to be reasons not to have done this, because even as I'm saying it out loud. I realize you know having a better player than Dion enough in the lineup will only help all of these causes. I just think it's going to be really fascinating. What the actual impact of this move is a do like the fact that Blake? This this in my mind continues, the trend of him, making, I don't wanna say, bold, moves, but making moves, and then when they don't work out he corrects them. So whether it's bringing and Cam, Larry, or the other two guys, Torrey Mitchell and not Torrey Mitchell, the jokin and, and the other player was part of the or, you know. Flipping haggling like he is he's quick to he's quick to make up his mind and move on it. And I wonder how much of this had to do with McClellan and his desire for a specific kind of lineup. No, that's a great point. And, you know, Ed just to go back on what you're saying earlier in the sense of, you know, the way the season panned out. And that's a great point. In terms of I think there's plenty of veteran leadership and it got out of hand this year in terms of with the coaching situation and the start to the season. And just the health of, you know, some of the players going into the season that cost it with, for instance Brown's situation, and how that handicap the team early on there's a lot that went wrong this year, and eight can't it can only get one spot worse, so to speak, you know, as t- finish thirty one so there's a lot of room for the team to improve. But, you know, realistically, they are going to improve in young team players had down years after some highs of two years ago at so there's a lot of things that went wrong that will go right this next year. And, you know, the enough situation, you know, it's all going to be to. We'd determine as you talked. About how you look a year ahead in all of a sudden, you've got decisions to make on some veterans, new, you've some incisions to make on some players with bridge, contracts and so to speak. It will be interesting, but there's a lot that's going to go on between now. And then, and, you know, to see where the money that they kind of saved goes, it'll be interesting, just because, you know, this team is in a process of, you know, quote unquote rebuilding on the fly because they still have all stars on their roster. And plenty of players that have won a Stanley Cup if not multiple so, you know, it's going to be interesting. But what I'm excited about is just to see that, you know, as you mentioned, Rob Blake is, is making moves that may not have worked out in the past, but it's you know you take control of what you can for rob. He has the ability to, to fix mistakes, or at least fixing that didn't work out. And, you know, the thing you got rid of the Gabar contract in light. End up one year of, of financial responsibility of paying someone that probably did deserve the money that he was producing at the time. So in that case, you know, you get one year less with phenomen in though he's been bought out. It will be interesting because I think that this roster while it has many players that are going to be able to contribute moving forward. Whether it's on Saco Petar in drew daddy, but you've got players that are younger that you're going to need to have produce and it'll be interesting to see where that save money, goes free agency or in the trade market. This success? The Boston had this year. Really, I think should be paid attention to particularly biking sands, because I see a lot of conversations about how they're wasting you know, years on dowdy in Kobe tar. And by the time this hap-, you know, by the time the contracts over the kings won't you know, they'll be totally different amo, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, the, the, the penguins made it to the Cup final and back to back seasons in two thousand eight and two thousand nine and then did it again in two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen which was what eight nine years later. The Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup in two thousand eleven then they made another Stanley Cup final in two thousand thirteen and then they made it back, you know, two thousand nineteen. I mean these things can be stretched out over ten years. And I'm not saying that the kings are, are run or have been having the same interim that the Bruins penguins, did, obviously, the kings of ad lower lows, but I would argue that there were some. Extenuating circumstances in two of those seasons. But I mean you know, cope untiring dowdy are not are not done right. Like dowdy had like everybody had a bad year. So, you know the, the notion. Yes, the notion that somehow this should be viewed as the as the peak of downward slope in their Greer's. There's no reason that Andrzej cope. It's our drew doughty if not both of them. One of them couldn't couldn't be as productive into their late thirties. I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying you look at guys like Thornton. You look guys like chara you look at the sharks lineup and, and his littered with guys older than doughty an older than Kobe tar in some cases, and nobody talks about those teams as being done or or over the hill. So I will say that buying out enough, does it does open that roster spot. And hopefully. With McClellan now coming in. And, you know, maybe they can make some moves over the next few months, maybe the draft, it does start giving this team. Not the phonetic was around long enough to be part of the old identity. But it doesn't live an opportunity to start. You know, laying the foundation of the new identity, whatever this. I think that's interesting. You bring up in the one thing that I do want to add onto at least point out specifically is when you look at your the Boston Bruins this year in how they had success, you know, you had marshawn, we had one hundred points in and just to put that in comparison, you know, coca, Dr had an unbelievable year now this past year, but two years ago he was, you know, second or third in the MVP voting, and so on and so forth when it gets too, when you're talking about how, you know, these players they've won Stanley Cups, you know, years back or they've been in the Stanley Cup few years, and all the sudden they go away, but then they come back, and that's exactly what we've seen with a company twenty twelve in a Cup in twenty fourteen and then codes are has great year, two years ago, and then has down year. But the biggest thing is where, you know, you look at the kings. And you look at the Bruins the depth and that's the one thing that the kings of lax. At least this past year where you need guys on the second and third wine that are gonna throw up thirty goals, or they're gonna throw up sixty point seventy point seasons. You know, while cope, it's our may beginning all the, the accolades, or at least the attention. That's where you know, things were different. You had guys on Boston like Shari or grizzly, or, you know coil on the third line, after the trade deadline or Johansson, where the kings didn't have those type of players in that's really were cost the team. And then you look at the, the, the defense, you know, the kings had, you know, let's just be honest, they had, you know, fortify NHL, you know, legitimate defensemen for the majority of the year with injuries or just having to call up and bring down a lot of guys in the H L. And I'm not to say that, you know, whoever was in the bottom half in the defensive line, isn't an NFL player is at the time they weren't ready or they're still developing. You know, the knowledge of what it takes to play X amount. Two minutes on an NHL game and to be affective. So it's, you know, that's the biggest thing that the kings need to sure up over the offseason, and they need to get guys on the, the depth areas that are going to be able to take the pressure off of copays are having to score a goal in an assist every night. Yes. I mean, the the real question. Now moving forward is. Do the kings. You know I've said I think Sean Walker should play eighty two games this coming season. If you have Walker and doughty, and I don't know, do I suppose or ROY, depending on who they bring back you've got you actually wind up with a glut of right handed shot? So it's, it's not that concerning the question now becomes what do you do about that? Third pair D. And so the question is, do you bring in, you know, do you find a guy out there who will sign a one or two year deal bridge guy? Or do you bring up a kale Clegg? Or do you bring up a Daniel Brickley, or Alex Clinton, AME, your whoever whoever it is that is top of the list? You know, or do you think that there's value like I said, you think there's value in keeping all of the high end prospects in on -tario for at least one year and letting them have one year to go at it. Now, I don't think that's what they'll do. That's what I would do. But that's just my sort of, you know, XBox fantasy video, you know, like, where I can say, like oh, it's just a regular, you know, it's one season who cares it does matter. But obviously, that's not how the NHL works, and if and if anything should be seen from this hockey season, and certainly this basketball season anything can happen in one season right injuries can can knocking down the best team in the league can get swept in the first round. You never know. So our team on January first that was and what the heck right off just to quickly. Add onto what you're saying, is, you know what Rob Blake and his team have to do is make a decision on where he you know, he's gotta talk. His player development staff. He's got to talk to his scout Scott attack to, you know, all of those players within the hockey operations that, you know, have certain jobs in terms of figuring out where players belonging. Whether you look clog, are you looking rinsing Yemi in terms of, you know? Are they ready to play twelve minutes a game eighty to eighty two times a year in NHL season without being embarrassed without losing their confidence, or being able to produce you know given their type of year game clay at an NHL level, if they're not, then maybe you do go out and sign a veteran who can maybe teach them or maybe explain how the game works? Maybe it's their job to, you know, be that vet that helps the, the younger generation work their way into the NHL. Or maybe it's someone who can take the pressure off of of of dowdy on the offensive side or on the defensive side so that he can play his game on a certain love. Title in terms of focusing on one or the other on certain nights. So it's a lot of moving pieces in a very complicated situation, because at the end of the day, you know, one wrong decision can send a team south and one. Right. Decision can shoot them way up the standings yet speaking one right decision that can send a team right of the standings, you mentioned the Saint Louis blues in last place in January and then wind a Stanley Cup champions. I don't think it's as simple as saying the Jordan Bennington was the only reason that they turn their season around, but it certainly helped when you make the Saint Louis blues as Stanley Cup champions. Let's an interesting thing as because personally, I'm not a fan of what the blues do is a team of I want to congratulate them on their Stanley Cup. You know, it's the greatest achievement in the NHL. And by all means it's well as Irv they did with needed to do to win. But in terms of Saint Louis winning it. I don't think it's great for the NHL to be honest, and by that. I mean they play a game style that promotes the wrong type of hockey. And you know this certain types of hits the certain types of physicality, the style of play. You know, the NHL is about promoting skill. It's about playing hockey that you wanna see in it's about it's about winning. And unfortunately, the only thing that they did that I just mentioned was win dumping the puck in playing physical hockey injuring and beating up every team to win. It's a little different than what we saw with the kings, twenty twelve and fourteen. The kings were physical. But they had the skill to win. And that's exactly what Saint Louis has done, but in a different facet, and some fortunate because I think if promoted a little bit of wrong way to play hockey, but at the end of the day, they're the Stanley Cup champions and the that something that they can't be taken away from. So I've got mixed feelings as you probably can tell the it's an interesting one that hopefully doesn't, you know, shift, the NHL back to that type of game play when you say the wrong way to play hockey, are you talking about exclusively from a quote unquote? What's good for the games lash fan's perspective? Or are you talking about what's good for the players? And what's, what's, you know honorable or or whatever you wanna call it, it's a combination of both Jesse. And I think when it comes to the game play the best thing that Saint Louis is good at this year was being physical. Which means you have to be physical in the NHL. But it also came down to getting the puck deep cycling, the puck and spending eighty five percent of the zone time along the boards waiting for a mistake to happen. And by all means you're supposed to capitalize on its he makes mistakes. That's what every team wants to do. That's what makes it team good. But I think in terms of moving towards playing the right way, you know, physicality is a great thing. But you can't go head hunting with six foot five defensemen on a four check or backcheck where people just get pummeled into the boards. And we saw that multiple times in the playoffs and it happens every year in the playoffs, but it consistently happened with the blues where players are injured grizzly gets a concussion, because a guy absolutely destroys his head Johansen. Takes a hit to the head, you know, this, and that now you can go back to last year. We're Tom Wilson had multiple hits to the head and you know, but that's one player where the Saint Louis blues or filled with half a roster of guy. Is that were just continually doing that? And that's where I think, in terms of the NHL yennin Joe's moving towards a faster game. And I think it completely contradicts when it's like Saint Louis wins at Stanley Cup a plan the opposite. And you know, to go back the kind of rambling here, but what I do on a dresses. You know, you've got teams that have different rosters in different styles across the NHL teams that are strictly skilled teams that are Faust hymns that are physical in big teams under slower but played power hockey where the kings, you know, to go relate this to the kings, the kings were in the middle. They're trying to work their way towards being faster being more skilled based meal playing the right style hockey were not just grinding pounding people into the boards and going after people's heads Saint Louis the opposite and won the Stanley Cup. So it's a little bit of a weird situation on. But that's might say so on. You've got me sort of one foot in each argument on this. Because I think the question of physicality and brutality in some cases, right? Like Jia Char's, jaw was broken into places. Yeah. I think that's a larger debate that I'm not necessarily. I don't know where I come down on that one. Right. I've been watching watching this game for thirty years. And there's some nights where I see a fight, and I roll my eyes, and I go, jeez, this, you know, this guy has a kids and a family, and right. His you know, his parents could be in the stands watching him. Get, you know, his face broken. You know every time Kyle Clifford gets in a fight. All I can think of is the videos of his kids in his puppy. And I'm actually going, you know, for God's sakes, Clifford, don't get killed. It's not worth it the fleet. But then, but then there are nights where I say, no forget that, like, we don't have, you know, we live in a world where we don't have problems, where we don't we aren't on a daily basis. I don't have to go hunt to bear, you know, or or, or vita fire with my. Your hands. And so we, you know, we have this world where the ability to rise to two savagery for lack of a better word you know, as sort of leaving us on a day-to-day basis. And so, do you have is, is there value in society in having a class of people, you know, that you can visibly see, like, okay, yes? There are still people in the world who are capable of, of doing these incredible things, whether it's, you know, whether it's dominating your opponent with your physicality, or the flip side of it, whether your legs in chara where you go. Oh my God. He's, he's taking hits and he's playing hockey and he's forty two years old his jaws broken into places. Like, that's you know, there's I think there's value in that inspiration inspirations. I don't know where I come down on that one. But the other half of your argument that that the league is moving to speed and that, it's, you know, promoting the, you know that you want to promote a specific style of play that one I deaf. Definitely am not on board with, and I would only point to the fact that this is the highest rate is Stanley Cup final of all time and to the notion that, you know, as you said, the only thing of Saint Louis blues did better than than everyone else was win. And to me just end. This is purely bread. From my experiences, a kings fan over the last ten years. I wasn't concerned with how exciting the team was to watch. I was I was concerned with whether or not they were winning an end when they end when they were winning. It was as exciting to me, as any right as, as any tournament has. You could point to me you to the World Cup a few years ago when team North America would go out there and say, oh, my God. Look, these incredible video game moves they're pulling off and there dangling. The puck between their legs and shooting up from behind their back and I'd like, yeah, that's great. But none of those guys were kings jerseys and the tournament doesn't end with the kings getting to hang Stanley Cup banner. So for me, I only do care about winning, and, and it's crass in. It's not how I feel about things in the rest of my life. You know, like, if I went in, I went to work, and I found that, you know, somebody, I don't have a parking space. But if somebody was in my parking space in somebody had eaten my lunch from the fridge, and somebody was sitting in my seat, and they just shrugged. And they said while I got here. I and you know, and I want so in your fate. I wouldn't. You know, I would appeal to the all these ideas of fairness and fair play and all these things. But when it comes to watching my team, just want my team to win. And so when it comes to the ks, I guess, I guess my okay? Yeah. Let you all know. No. That's, that's what I was just rambling you. Go ahead. I guess my counter argument was hell boring was game seven. Well, I mean how much of that had to do with the fact that it was over at the end of the first period. But that's exactly my point is choose your game. And it's one thing that I paid extreme attention to during the second and third period. And. Saint Louis consistently. And here's the thing and before I get into this too far in depth is it's about winning the Stanley Cup. I completely agree. You do everything that you're supposed to do to win the Stanley Cup. That's, that's the most important part. And you you gotta be safe. You got a two goal lead again. It but how many times did Saint Louis get across the red line dump the puck in and then send one four checker and no matter, which way you go. It was a two on four trying to get zone. And that's the hockey that, you know, there's many problems that go into it in my opinion on why that's the wrong way to play hockey because he'll time after time. Yeah, the announcer is lack Emmerick in old shack, or whoever was calling the game were like are you can't play this way. Otherwise, it's gonna get dangerous because Foshan would have scored a goal then all the sudden things change. And they didn't which is credited to Jordan Bennington. In Saint Louis for for preventing that goal that would have made it a close game. But that's the type of hockey that is gotten to be, you know what I perceive as just boring bad hockey because the second and third period, we thought nothing the game was over after the first period because Saint Louis got a two-goal lead and just basically conceded. Trying to score a goal unless, you know Boston did with the heads zoo in terms of throwing everything at Boston, where all the sudden you got to on one going the other way because they had to take the chance. Now they won. Congratulations. But you understand my frustration. No. I do my only I mean, the only issue a have with what you're saying is that it's a it's an isolated incident. Right. Like you're talking about one game in one season. And we can go back just we can go back to half the games with a two-goal lead that Saint Louis had they know button. They did. But Tampa Bay was up three to nothing in the four, whatever was three to nothing in the other, green editing. And end Columbus came back. So, so yes in this particular game Boston was exhausted. Personally and I have no way of knowing this is just dumb hot fan. Hot takes personally. I think I think Marsh end attempting to leave the ice because he was gassed and then giving up the goal. Right. I think that's the sort of thing. That just that was it. Right. That was the game. And so. Yeah. Last forty minutes were stupid, but, you know, game six kings, New Jersey. If I wasn't a kings fan that would have been possibly the most boring game. I've ever sat through because New Jersey takes an early five minute penalty, the kings score three goals on it. They're up three to nothing. They're up in the series three two. They're on home ice. That was it right? Like yet. New Jersey, didn't fold completely but final score was six to one. So, you know, and so if I was to try and pitch the rest of the world on hockey based on the final two periods of this game seven or that game. Six whatever. Yeah. Would be a really poor argument and wouldn't go over but, but I'm not gonna but I'm not going to try and extrapolate from one incident. Over a whole thing. Now now to your point about how the blues played sure. But that's where we start to bleed into the first argument, which I'm not sure where I land on, which is if that's the way they had. Or that's the way they felt they had to play to go from thirty first two Stanley Cup champion if the quote unquote, right way to play is so is so is so correct, that it should be the model by which all the other franchises, you know, build themselves. Yep. Then why was Saint Louis able to literally? I mean, like I don't think people are getting, you know, people are making a big deal of, maybe not as big a deal as they should if if speed and skill and all that is the quote unquote, right way to play than why was Saint Louis able to do literally just turn around one day in the middle of the season and go well, that's it. We're gonna get a beat everybody and no one's gonna stop. Now you can point to bending. Good morning to the coaching change. You could point to the fact that maybe in the first half of the season, they were they appeared to be worse than they actually were. But when they got all those guys in the offseason, people thought they'd be pretty good. And it turns out, they were so. Yeah. And here's the thing when my uncle Jesse now. The reason that things turned around. Yeah. You can point to the, the Bennington move which had extremely a positive impact on the roster and the results, and then obviously the firing of Mike. Yo in the addition to ruby now it goes without saying that Brugge. He did a phenomenal job end really deserves a lot of credit in what he has done to turn this team into Stanley Cup champion team. But the biggest thing that I think that he deserves credit for is what he did with the roster. He was given. And. You know, we talked about how, you know, every team should or every team should play like the Washington Capitals where you know watching the move. The puck is like art will. That's not how Saint Louis is roster is their big physical team. Every defense is over six foot three or six foot four, you know, two hundred twenty pounds or you know, just a, you know, make that number up. But, you know, roughly speaking, their defense, of course, huge they're, you know, they've got probably four to five guys on offense that are legitimate offense in threats and everyone else is a role player or physical specimen that is someone that's going to be impactful in a different way of a scoring twenty thirty forty goals. But that's what, you know, Saint Louis did is they used their Rosser, which was a bigger physical, you know, team to benefit what they had turned their team into someone that was forced. We reckon with and, you know, the addition of Bennington changed everything. And, you know, all the sudden, you've got a goalie that you have confidence in. And you've got a roster that can just shut you down. That's exactly what they did to win the Stanley confidence. Exactly how they went from thirty. I, I now you know, just because I don't like the way they play doesn't mean it's the wrong way to play or doesn't mean that it's you how not should play just in my opinion. I think it's you know it's not beneficial for the NHL on. It's not something that's going to be. I blanking on the word, but it's not something that is going to benefit, you know growing the game at least or at least, you know, keeping the players in a healthy mind. Yeah. Chart, Charles broke his jaw of a puck that deflected off his stick went into his mouth now. But grizzly got a concussion off of a chief hit Johansen. You know had you know, since some I'm Sam Sanford number seventy on blend gun his name. He got suspended for dirty hit, like those are the things that need to be out of the course. Those are the things that, yes. Sunk was thank you. Those are the things that Saint Louis consistently does better going to keep this game from having the best players on the ice for eighty two games of year. And so that's why stepping whenever ten minutes ago. That's why I asked you what you meant by right or wrong because because I think like I said, I'm not sure where I come down on the on the brutality argument. But I agree that if you if your workforce. You know is can cost than we don't know what's happening with C T E and all that stuff. But yes, there is a that is a larger debate that needs to be had. Yeah. And I will much larger debate than one podcast. And I and I will say this though the league does, and we certainly saw it in this in this playoffs, and we saw it all through the the late nineties, and, and we had a lockout sort of because of the league does need to figure out. Where it stands on the argument the fans don't. Right. We'll, I'm going to watch whatever the you know they they take fighting out of the game and they take hitting out of the game. Right. Like let's say they say you can't fight, and let's say you're not allowed to hit that's not hockey. But, but also watch is my point, so, so the but the league does need to decide. How it's going to enforce its own rules because we saw penalties that were called. They weren't penalties. We saw non Corrales called weren't calls. And, and I do feel like the league should make a priority not to appease the fans which, which is a weird thing to say and would be would feel like an odd decision. But I think the league at some point needs to decide what. The not the phrase I wanna use. But what the values of the game are, you know, we had a conversation with Mike Murphy a few years ago. And we were talking about, you know, the competition committee and, and the front, you know, the league head offices end these people who are sort of hired or appointed or or find their ways into roles as quote unquote. Guardians of the game? And my reaction was sort of, like, well, how do you how do you deem somebody worthy of that? Because right now, you have GM meetings, and you have competition committee. And, and the rules are sort of cobbled together by some, you know, group of people, some of whom will be out of a job and never work in the industry. Again. Right. Like the GM's come together and recommend rule changes. But, but the GM there's there have been some legitimately terrible GM's, right? I would I would trust, I would may not always agree with. But I'm sure that I would trust the reasoning behind. And whatever opinions Rob Blake had when it comes to, you know what? What should be valued in the game in what should be protected? It's entered centered cetera. He's played he's been in executive, you know, now, he's been jammed, but Mike Milbury. No, I don't. Yeah. I don't care what Mike Nobre things, but he was general manager for years and years, and years and had an impact on these sorts of decisions. Yeah. In two great point you bring up. You know, you've got your yearly meetings on rule changes in over the off season. They ended up deciding on what's going to go into the game next year and so on and so forth, but. It's one of those things where they really do need to start identifying the priorities of what the game should be about now. I'm a hundred percent on board with never getting rid of fighting. It's part of the game. It's part of how the grittiness of the game is dealt with. It's part of how people are taking advantage, then people have to deal with the repercussions of decisions. They've made now hitting each should never leave the game. But they need to obviously, prioritize safety of it, or at least the way we hit, and I'm not talking about, you know, the obvious checking from behind, and this, and that, but the way the game is called, you know, players can't be getting hit in the head left and right of for checks by the Saint Louis blues because they're six four and can run you through a wall. That's not hockey in my opinion hockey is about, you know, putting on the net. Not beating the other teams so bad that three of you guys of broken John a concussion, and your team your. Playing with your eighth ninth defense then because of it. And so, you know, it's something that needs to be addressed. They've gotta make a decision like you said, on where they want to prioritize, you know certain parts of the game, but I think that in the future, you know, people should be benefitting off of their skill, not their ability to be six four two hundred thirty pounds and run you through a wall. So here's the problem. Another a here. But here's another problem I have with the speed and skill argument. If you if you are six foot four and, and Brayden point comes into his own, and he's going as fast as he possibly can and, and for a moment, he glances down, or looks behind him to see does he have a, you know, a trailer that he can drop the puck to whatever you know, if he glances off to the side to get a glimpse of where the play is moving in. You have an. -tunities to crush him in you do. Yeah. And he's going as fast as you can, and your and your six foot four or taller, and, you know, fifty pounds heavier than him and your elbow connects with his job because he's a foot shorter than you are. And, and he's bending down, or he's going to make a move. Yes. I think that, you know, the onus of responsibility ought to be on. You not murder the guy, but the faster the game goes the harder it is to control these, these split-second decisions and, and look, I've only ever played bronze level adult adult barely hockey. So I can't I can't really make a comment on it. But I know that I have hurt guys that I was not intending to hurt because because they weren't paying attention. And, and like I said, it's the lowest conceivable level of competitive hockey on the planet for people over the age of twenty one and. I had, you know, a little old lady come up to me after the game and scream at me for hurting her relative and hutches added sheepishly say, like really are. I didn't I didn't mean yeah. So. Just to kind of pay you back off of that. I am the first person to understand that accidents happen in hockey games. And you know the games fast. You know you can't control everything that's going to happen. It just happens to be that way. Sometimes mistakes are happens, sometimes forgets bins happened. But most importantly, the game needs to be called where, you know, players are going the penalized or put in trouble suspended, so on himself forth, if they continuously their bodies in positions to hurt people now under I understand if someone's got their head down in their crossing center ice than they've got the buck, run the guy over. But just don't run him over by putting your head Moore shoulder right into his head. I you know, the, the game needs to be authorized way and that's very important. But the game also needs to be called the right way. So that, you know, people understand that I can't make contact with someone. Head. I and I'm not saying, you know, this is all stemmed off your opinion on the Saint Louis blues. I'm not saying that, you know the Saint Louis blues, her head hunting in every series, they played dentist served to move on in, you know, in every series that they were in what I am saying is that, you know, we need to be careful moving forward in paying attention to how we played the game now. Saint Louis happens to be a larger team than almost every team in the NHL and just because of their peer size and their ability to be physical and be good at it and have a positive impact to their benefit in the game, you know, that's the size of the roster and that's the strength of the roster. And because of it, they have the they have the skill to capitalize when they're given opportunities, but they also have the ability to score goals, when you know, someone coughs the puck up because of their physical type of place. So no by all means. You know, Saint Louis was the best team in the NHL the oddly enough to say, even though I don't think. Anyone predicted that. But that's a hockey is the kings one. The playoffs is in eight seed, Saint Louis was three seed in their division. It wasn't the best division by any means this year. So you know hockey's a weird game. But at the end of the day, it's just a matter of being smart about, you know how the game has called on how we proceed, you know, this game in where we should prioritize, what's moving forward, but physicality should never be out of the game. You know, fighting should never be out of the game. And, you know, without it, I, I would struggle to call hockey. So the only thing that I wanted to talk about was the way the game is spoken about or covered or thought about because because this run coincided with a really fascinating NBA playoffs, right? It's on Toronto win the NBA. And you could argue that it's because Golden State had a ton of injuries on tornadoes. I don't think you could argue it in his inaugural. But, but, but the point is the most common topic of conversation. I have seen in consuming all of this basketball media, other than the warriors being injured was coli Leonard and the importance of one guy. Yep. And, you know, prior to this warriors run that has always been the narrative in basketball is the importance of one guy. Whether it's LeBron James, or Michael Jordan, or you know, Kevin Durant, whoever it is, you rarely see all these pieces about, you know, the guy like vanfleet or Gonzalo, or whoever it is the Toronto added to help them win, and team like Saint Louis and even a team like Boston. One of the things that I really like about hockey is that you, it's not about one guy. It's never about one guy. And yet, and yet, I was listening to this conversation. I think it was on hockey central at noon. And they were talking about Gretzky Messier, and one of them said, or maybe it was actually might have been on remember who has, but, but it might have been might not have been a hockey show might have been general sport show. But anyway, somebody said, Gretzky would correctly be identified as the better hockey player that Messier and yet Messier won a title in without Gretzky. And then he won one in New York, and I thought to myself will, then who's really identifying the better player because. Yes, Gretzky scored more points than Messier Gretzky scored more points than everybody by by an unbelievable margin than so I'm like a thousand. Yeah. No. Like buying by an unbelievable margin. And so I would never stand here and proposed you the Wayne Gretzky does not belong in the conversations about the greatest hockey players of all time. But. What would you rather have won the Stanley Cup six times and be the fourth highest scoring player of all time? Or when the Stanley Cup, four times, and be the highest scoring player of all time. Like I personally I'd rather be messy. I would agree. I'd rather have won the Stanley Cup six times the inches a matter, you know in the NBA as he talked about with the best player of the game. Jimmy Butler quite Leonard on a forty minute game. We'll play forty minutes and have the ball in his hand every time they go up court where in hockey, that's not how the games played Wayne grits. He's going to have the puck twenty percent of the time he's on the ice and, and that's being generous, and he's on the ice for half the game at best. So it's just a different way. The game is played, but yet to go back to your question of who rather be you have the ultimate Akam now, I don't think anyone's ever gonna disagree right now that Wayne Gretzky is the goat. He's the best player of all time in hockey and I'd blandly take on anyone who would disagree with that said, you know, to have the greatest accomplishment of all time, six times in one sport, is something that goes without saying that. It's not that it's never gonna be repeated because, you know, who knows with how the future goes, but it's something that is extremely extremely rare and to be someone that can say that I was on the best team. And not only were you on the best team, but messy was the best player on his team most likely at two thirds of that time. Yeah, I missed out by said he was the fourth highest scoring for a player of the third highest. So, yeah, I mean, even about her. But I it just one of those things where you're the best player on your team, the majority of the time that you win the Stanley Cup and you've got the C on your chest that he did multiple times. I believe it's one of those things where it might as well take it. And, you know, Wayne Gretzky's the vice he has the highest his records, are very unlikely to ever be broken, especially in terms of points in the cysts. So we'll see where it goes. But I'd rather have won the Cup six times and be up there on the terms of most points than only have one at four times now with that said it's, you know, beggars can't be choosers, but, you know, we're, we're picking between slim margin yet, not strong four Stanley Cups in six gamma. Governor, I is cover been nice problem to have as a real quick before we go an absurd question. But I'm gonna ask you anyway. Who's your favorite to win the Cup next here? Were the gun now. There's lots of figured out between much. Free agency hasn't happened. Just got to the buyout stage my favorites win the Stanley Cup fan. I you're gonna hate me to say this, I'm gonna say by gifts. Really? Yes. I think they've got a team that I honestly think they would've won the Stanley Cup if not for the major penalty that led them to being knocked on playoffs. But I'm gonna say Vegas. They've got a, a young core that keeps growing, and they've still got a little bit to figure out what the Carlson free agency situation in terms of forwards, but they've got guys in their prime. And they've continually produced. Now, it would have been crazy to say that two years ago when they were coming into the league. But, you know, Mark owner flurry doesn't seem to be going anywhere. And if he can stay healthy. They've got a young roster in. They've got a lot of guys that are in their court. So I'm going to say about this yourself. I don't hate it, but I will say I am and the end. In the button hook back to the NBA conversation will quick. I do think you're wrong. And I think what happened this earned the NBA. I'm really curious to see what happens the vagus because at the end of last season. I was terrified Vegas was set up for a five six seven eight year. Run of being dining really good. But now I look at them, and I wonder have they overplayed, their hand and has an have they sort of. Nine hundred say wasted because it's too early, but have they overspent their hand and have they moved out of the potential area for being like incredible into just being a Winnipeg or Nashville, like okay, maybe the one but we'll see. And the reason I brought up the NBA thing was to say, you know, there's all these one of the things I've fascinating about the NBA is that people seem almost more occupied with the future than the present. You know it's the finals were going on. And it was like, where's quiet gonna go, where's the rant gonna go? Where's Klay Thompson ago? Whereas Kyrie Irving into guys yet the NBA. Finals game five putting and you could you can see this dynastic run come to an end and you're more concerned about who goes where next and the next game. And again, so it always fascinates me where it's like, okay. Well who cares the games on? So to me, that's sort of the Vegas thing, where it's like were they looking so far ahead. They actually blew there today before before you get your. Yeah. My, my response to that is. You know, as a team you you're a -ssume that the eighty five percent of their core is going to be back at least next year. They all just went through something that they believe they got ripped off on something that they had taken away from them in their mindset. And yeah, I think they're going to get off to an extremely hot start next year essentially proving everyone wrong in, you know, games one through twenty or whatever that, you know, they're force to be reckoned with because they had their Stanley Cup opportunity taken away from them last year. Well, I mean, we'll find out it'll be really interesting. Yeah. Determine so Kim. Save this podcast and comeback comeback to it in mid October. And this is a really nice thing about podcasts as compared to tweets, it's Subaru, and they never leave. Yeah. Just to do a quick tweet surge. You can get like somebody just pointed out that the mayor's enough would never get bought out and you're like, oh, I got you. No one's going to go back and listen to an hour long ago. But I'm going to say Colorado and other. Yup. The reason I guess the seventeen million dollars in caps that has a lot to do with it. I think it's actually thirty seven only kids. So a lot of has to do with the fact that they just have some incredible players. Right. Young. Phenomenally talented players. They just added Macara who looked right? I mean, obviously, it was a small sample size but he looked. I think they can make trades also to acquire netter mazes. And I just feel like they've been around for a couple years. They sort of remind me of what happened was Louis Chicago, Pittsburgh in LA, Arca, where about ten years ago, where they had been around for four years, where people were sort of looking at them, they'd missed the playoffs. They make the playoffs they do. Okay. And then one year all of a sudden for all of them is like, oh, yeah. This is the air like this Zet. Yeah. Just clicks. Yeah. Now it's an interesting thing. I think that's a great. Let's great pick. But hey you heard it here. First and kill Makarios gonna win a Norris A. Do I think it's going to happen next year? No, no. But he's going to be a great part of their success in the next five years, and you've got McKinnon who's lockdown ranson, who I believe is still on a rookie contract, who's gonna need to be paid soon. And you still got Landis cog. You've got berry who I believe. As a free agent, but will easily be signed for a lot of money, and then but you still got money. I mean, I believe it is far more mobs of free agent. There's no way. He's gonna come back. And so they've got a lot of stuff to deal with agree that they've got a young young core and by young. I mean, under twenty five that, that is going nowhere and is only gonna get better. So that's a great pick. It'll be interesting to see where those two picks go. But when I think, is interesting between you and I is we both picked the team in the west and I think we can unanimously agree that the Isa's getting better than the west is right now. You while I'd be I'd be super curious to see if the lenders continued to be as good as they have been. Yup. You know, there's rumors that Pittsburgh is going to trade kessel and or Jack Johnson. I, I really hate I do it all the time, but I really hate taking shots at check Johnson. But, but I do think the trading Jack Johnson will impr-. Move them exponentially. But, but I'd be curious to see how they go. Obviously, you wanna see if Tampa can rebound? You wanna find out of Columbus brings back any of their guys. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be a really fascinating. Off-season. Launching thin. You know there's a lot going on here. So it'll be interesting. I mean we'll be in touch in on the podcast talking about everything goes down this summer. But, you know, I'm excited, we're onto the next year. Add, you know, as great as the NHL is, I think we all knew Golden State was going to be in the finals this year. I would love to know who predicted Saint Louis to be in the finals this year, especially in January. Yeah. I'm gonna say nobody. Yeah. So, but that's refundable, degree with the NFL and not one player can send you a Stanley Cup like a quiet Leonard, Kevin against so no I'm excited. It's, it's the unpredictability of the NHL, and that's what makes the NHL so great. Well, thank you for joining me. Jack like you said, we'll be in touch, and we'll do this, sir. Thanks, jesse. Thanks for listening kinks fan. We'll talk to you soon.

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Draft Lottery Special

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Draft Lottery Special

"So Catherine I already having important development to announce the fact that I was brought eight cards instead of seven. means that a participant in the qualifying. Round the Stanley Cup playoffs. Is has moved into the top three overall selection so We'll see who that is. The number, three overall selection in the two thousand twenty NHL draft belongs to. The Ottawa senators to fill the los. Angeles kings and a yet to be determined team are remaining. It's time to reveal. WHO has the number one pick in the draft? The number one overall selection in the two thousand twenty NHL draft. Belongs to a team yet to be determined coming from the qualifying round the Stanley. Cup Playoffs. Two things Elliott Friedman, that was perfect and second. How on brand was that conclusion to the NHL draft lottery phase one for the year twenty twenty? Well, that's what everybody was texting me like. This is so twenty twenty. This is twenty twenty. You know initially before I knew. I was going on with Ron and salmon. The Post show we were. GonNa do a live reaction podcast to the draft picks and I am really disappointed. That didn't happen. For one reason. You are the lover of chaos, and I know if someone love the fact that one of those. Those teams got the pick it was you always Gloria Saigon honestly I'll just sitting in my office. Just me and my dog watching on television I. Just honestly, it wasn't like a big. You remember. What that the video of me with a lot and Steve Dangle? When the leaves get the first overall pick and dangle pop the Cork Champagne bottle. It was nothing like that. It was more of that rich. Deep Smile and gentle sort of nod like. Yes, this is this is setting up the rest of the summer for draft injury, and also adding another layer of interest and excitement to the play in round. Like honestly if you drew it up I, know like going into Helmick. Yeah, man I want to see three place holders boom boom boom. We're okay, really just having one is having one in the right spot. Is that much more profound and listen in media always made. Made this always say. Oh, yeah, team, chaos chaos! I'm just team great story. I'm just team interesting story like I don't think everything needs to be over the top and wild and crazy or else. It loses all meaning sometimes I just like a really good nice safe, boring story that plods along and ends the way that it should end, and then every now and then you get something like we saw Friday night What did you make of it? Free each. Well, first of all I know one guy who wants to strangle you. WHO's at Brian Burke Oh? Yes, well for because he hates this. Yes, I mean for a lottery first of all. He probably hates working with you. That's true by He hates this you can tell. And Ron of course had to read this text on air in the show so good. About how Burke's like. This is a disgrace. First of all, maybe I'm not, but this doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother a lot of people now. I know that there's some people who are upset because it took a lot of explaining to figure out how it was going to work from year. By in the lottery. There's always teams who move up. And I suggested actually at one point doing the lottery with just the the teams that didn't have a chance. And people got mad at me. So if you're not going to agree with that, then you have to have a mechanism. For something else. Not The I think you should base your decisions on other sports behave, or how does sports feel about your sport? But have a greater context for the world of sports than I do. How are the other sports looking at this result? You know I don't know like as we tape this at. This part of the podcast at ten twenty six eastern time on. Friday night I have one hundred and thirty seven tax on my phone that I had a chance to look at. And I'm sure there's some of them that are they're thinking. This is a disgrace. The second some probably getting the most of is, I didn't recognize Steve Is. I even did a double take when I saw us like. Wow, that's different. But I'm sure there's some people who are looking at it like this is a disgrace Berkey is not the only one I don't get worked up about it as much as other people do what I wonder about here at listen. Let's explain this scenarios. If the play in happens, then the eight losers get a twelve and a half percent chance correct. If for whatever reason. Knock on wood. God forbid bad news if the plane doesn't happen. The next eight teams. By points percentage, get a twelve and a half percent chance. and. I thought everybody would recognize immediately. That meant the next four non playoff teams in each conference. Some people took it as the next eight to me. I thought that was obvious, but maybe I should have explained it a lot more cleaner because when I finally got off the air and I was doing some of the podcast interviews with you. People didn't figure that out as quickly and I'm not seeing anyone stupid because. Because, it's a crazy night, but if I could do one thing in the show, if I was the NHL and production staff I would have set that up right away right after bill said okay. We know that there's a team in the top three I would have explained those scenarios, but the one thing I'm sitting here I'm saying Jeff is why possible draft lottery winner? Is going to cause the most hysteria, the biggest conspiracy theories. I only see. Three or four possible choices. The Edmonton oilers. That's one the Pittsburgh. Penguins. That's to the Toronto. Maple leaves. That's three and the Montreal Canadians I would say those are the four biggest ones. Are Ganyu. The this is a conspiracy theory world now. Oh, yeah. Like even more than ever because of the Covid, nineteen times we live in the world has gone conspiracy crazy. Hockey's frozen envelope and we should explain where that comes from Patrick Ewing basketball. Yes. Even I know that I didn't cover basketball like you. Over the Chaos, lover. Which one do you want I? Don't want chaos in this one you don't know. If I'm choosing I, want Montreal because I want Montreal to have. The homegrown superstar hasn't happened since forever. The last time the draft was in mantra member Bob. Gainey saying Louis Leblanc. And everyone went crazy and Lou. Leblanc never made it. I. Don't know that's saying off. The top I don't always want like the goofy Buffalo. Through hoops circus to freak show I always want that and this and this scenario. I just want a nice story and a nice story. It would be the Montreal Canadians getting the first overall pick getting Alexi laugher near. But you I think that's the best story I know. It's not a very sexy heads. There I know, but that's what I want. To me in a lot of ways. Winnipeg is probably the team that deserves it right by that. They won the lottery. Their team spot twelve won the lottery. And they were twelfth. Of all the teams. The teams that we saw on Friday night. Did, you have a preference. Not who deserved it, but were there a couple of teams that you thought? You know what I'd like to see this team? Finally get a first overall pick. This is going to lead to more calls to abolish the the lottery, right. I'm against that. That one year were buffalo in Arizona were blatantly trying to lose, and they had that one game late in the season. Worth savers fans were cheering for the coyotes or wherever it was. I'm against that I. Don't want that. I think it's bad for your league. I don't want lottery to change. I am a lottery truth. I believe in it. I think Detroit deserved it like to me. This is a reminder. Trevor Linden would always say to me when he was running the connects that. There was no night that made him sweat more than the lottery and it was the thing you control the least Like there was one lottery they got hammered in. Year they got hammered and again and I went to go talk to him and he was like. We knew this could happen like he was so frustrated, but he's you know this could happen. I understand because. You know when you're a general manager. You're trying to control as much you can control and the biggest night. That determines the fortune of teams. You've got no control over it. But I'll take that over blatant tanking I think blatant tanking is bad now people might think I'm in the minority on this one I look at Detroit. I thought it would have been fair for them to win. It I look at Ottawa. I thought it would have been very fair for them to win it. I'M NOT GONNA wind her bitch about whoever gets it like my. My twitter picture up there on the top the banner says no wanting or bitching to pass this point. Everybody knows the rules coming in, but I know I'm going to be in the minority of this one, but it is a reminder. It is the craziest thing like when I saw that tonight. The first thing I thought of was Trevor Linden, who was always said like? It's the most important night, and it's the one you control the least, and it is true. The lottery is a dangerous mistress. So a couple of things, one and I almost got there with La. Though they picked second, and there was a better story with without unfolded with with team mystery. Team placeholder. Going into this, I was saying to myself. You know the Anaheim. Ducks have never selected first overall. The Los Angeles Kings in the modern draft. have. Never selected first overall. They did pick first overall. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, before the draft became what we now know as the amateur draft. Who Gave Him Rick Pag Nudie? Who was a defensemen Mike Milbury de partner in Rochester. He was a first overall pick never played in. The NHL was part of. The you know the NHL US to do a reverse draft and I'm going off on a tangent here but Julie used to do a a reverse draft where teams from the Western Hockey League when it was a pro loop in the American Hockey League could pick players off NHL. Rosters started NHL did this from my sixty, five, sixty, nine or something like that anyway. He was picked off by by salt. Lake, city so I. I remember reading about this. Yeah, it was created a this. When in the sixties intrude a number of different types of drought. There is the Inter League draft. I think it all started because they needed to get. Boston and Chicago some better players fast, and so he started one style of Intra League draft, and then they had the reverse draft anyway, so I don't consider L.. A. To have ever selected first overall. Even though technically they did in nineteen sixty seven, but it wasn't the draft as we know it. I went into this thinking to myself. It would be good if Anaheim finally gets there first overall pick or Los Angeles gets there first overall pick neither happened, but I'm okay with that, because I think this is glorious. How do you look at the Carlson trade now? Well I mean it's a good week for Doug Wilson. He goes to the hall of fame. He doesn't lose the number one overall. Pick right correct. It's still a trade that worked out better for. Ottawa and I think. A lot of people did at the time. They're still going to get a hell of a player. coming up on the program speaking of Ottawa, you'll hear from peer Dorian. general manager of the Ottawa Senators Elliott and I had a chance to talk to him on our ask thirty one show. I'm almost immediately after in conversation with Ron. Maclean went off the air. So you can hear that, and you'll also hear in a couple of moments here from Robert Blake, the the general manager of the Los Angeles Kings who Eliot had some great interplay. With Luc Robitaille for the entire half hour. That's Catherine tap and was hosting the ad the draft show. I mean like everyone else. I'm sitting there. I'm watching the broadcast tonight. And when Catherine tap and is mentioning that La's going to have a top to pick, you could see. They cut to rover tie and Blake sitting there and they're returning to each other, and they were asking each other something. They didn't want the viewers to be able to read their lips. Like it was one of those things like. On camera here, 'cause I'm trying to ask something. I don't want anyone to know. And it was just funny like I was looking at it, and I was laughing my head off. And then when we ask Blake about it, he was laughing about it too, because he knew exactly what we were referring to. Before, we get to some of our interviews I, did want get a couple of news and notes in here before we kick off the podcast with Rob Blake in pure Dorien Sam Costantino joins us towards the end of the broadcast as well. We'll drill down on of the prospects. What's the latest with the NHL and the players? Association and inching closer towards. I believe you referred to it as an MOU Elliott's. A memorandum of understanding. They're not going to be able to get a full CBA done, so they're going to agree to a framework I. Think we're going to see a vote next week. I think initially they hope for it to be by June thirtieth. I don't think that's GONNA be able to happen because they're going to need forty eight to seventy two hours to do it, but they're. They're hoping to do it next week. Week and I think they will get around to do it. Next week I think they're working closer on an agreement that caps escrow at twenty percent for the beginning of the deal I think it's going to keep the salary cap at eighty one and a half for the next two seasons and eighty two and a half for the year after and next year there's going to be a one time a ten percent deferral. For the players and what we'll do is, we'll help the owners with cash flow, and the teams with cash flow, and it'll help the players. Get that money back. It's not a roll-back. They'll get the money back later and in theory at a lower escrow, but that's coming. Where are you were? You surprised to see our Tammy penins statement. Yes because like I know that there's some players who are frustrated with this like. Really when players vote on this stuff, it's like nine hundred to two right. There's always like this is not going to be like that a lot of guys and we'll see who's right, but they know this more than I do they're guessing it's going to pass sixty to forty and I know there were some players unhappy about this I was surprised Panara, and because I just don't know him that he would have been the guy who would have done that, but the fact that he says that he's not the only player who feels that way, okay and the latest on hubs. So we all know Vancouver isn't a Hob. I still think one's going to be Vegas. Again I use the Caveat Jeff of what is true. Ten now might not be true ten minutes from now. I'm hearing a lot of talk about Toronto. Let's see if they close it and this time. I think the Eastwood Stay East in the West would stay west and by the way Jeff. I should also say there's a lot of people who think that Linda Ross has a really good shot at being the next head coach of the devils. Now it's not set, but you know ever. Ever since we mentioned it this week I've had a few. Who reached out to me? Say You put it out there on the on the on the podcast on twitter as well so there's more fire to that smoke. Then yes, I had a couple of people. Reach out to me and tell me that they think that not only was rough the mystery candidate, but they think he's got a a really good shot. Should we then deduce that that means at Tom? FITZGERALD HAS GM job. I don't know like I. Honestly, don't know it would seem to me. The answer to that question would be yes, but I honestly don't know I. I heard they were interviewing. Some people as recently as last week so until we get. A final announcement. I don't know what to say to that. I really don't it's. It would seem to indicate. Yes, but I don't know for sure all right with that. Let's kick it off welcome to the draft lottery edition of thirty one thoughts to by. We've got a lot to get to, and we thank you for joining us. Are you're going to hear from pure Dory and the Ottawa senators general manager? You're going to hear Ottawa by the way you know selecting third and fifth at the draft, the trade one of those becks you'll also hear from San Costantino his rankings available right now at sports net dot CA. Time someone that was one pick away from selecting first overall, but they're happy with number two. They've been there before and they took grew. Doubting here is Rob Blake. General Manager of the Los Angeles. Lottery Day Elliott usually use analogy of the the kid on Christmas morning are broad. Blake opens up his present and its number two pick overall on a scale Robin, first of all thanks for joining us on of one two. Oh, man, we just got drew doughty. Where is L. A. ON THEIR PICK? How happy are you on this? Friday night? Well, we sure in a better spot than we started about a couple hours ago, so no, we're. We're excited about the opportunity for sure, and it's kind of a different situation in the way, everything unfolded in a mystery team, and all that but but again like I. said we're. We're excited about the possibilities of. Of moving up like we did okay, so I'm watching the revealed tonight and Catherine happens hosting it, and she says that okay. The kings are in the top three, and the camera cuts to you and Luc. Robitaille and I know this from working in TV you guys are trying to talk to each other without letting anyone know what you're saying. What's what's going on there? Okay? So the scenario there was so it was the fourth card turned over which we originally were slotted, and I think we had a two percent chance are worse. Our lowest percent odds were finished fourth, so we're working down. It may seem slow to people watching it but to us. It's going to fast like okay. Where are we sitting? What do we got left? And so then it was. It was a four card being turned over and I say hey luke I said. You know what I said. We've only got two percent. Chance at this card. So that means we got a real good chance of getting the top three. Just as I said that Catherine says the Kings are in the top three. We got a real good chance at the end of the top three. Honestly. The cuts to you in Luke might have been the best out of honestly it was. It was fantastic watching the interplay between you two guys now I know you're not going to betray any secrets, and maybe you don't know the answer to this I'm GonNa. Ask Anyway. Do you know who you're taking at number two already? Yeah to be honest. No, not at all you know much debate will go in we. We obviously had a group in the in the top few picks there. There that we have debated internally based off of where we're sitting fourth. We've run some dry runs and did some things there, but I can honestly say we would. We would be able to make that decision currently right now. Someone sent me a note tonight. your last three picks have been centers Turcott Copari Velocity, and if you look at just the way, this is shaped up after laugher near the next to geyser centers like does that matter to you rob like? Do you care? No I mean so you mentioned those three. We'll take four centers like that. Know No, we firmly believe you'd build through the middle. You build the D. in the goaltender and currently where we're positioned. We've. We've drafted some Centerman. We've acquired some Centerman but yeah, you know that will play out as it goes and but that doesn't affect kind of what we're looking at. The the one thing that we've noticed again we're going to try to. Try to get you to play player. Hand here a little bit. The one thing that we've noticed with the Los Angeles Kings in the past few seasons as you go through this rebuild of the of the organization is not only as his team, trying to get younger and more skilled, but specifically looks as if this team is trying to get faster as if you're GonNa Zeeshan, said listen. What won the Stanley Cups? isn't working now in the NHL. We need to get quicker if you have a decision to make between size and speed equal players. Where will you lean? Why I think when you're up in that level I'm not sure that one of those the size or the speed drops off enough to make a difference. You know I. I think when you look at our rebuild. I think what's come into into play here. Is that the the realization that we are currently in the rebuild a year ago? We you know there was a transition. We were getting into it. We still had to get through this past deadline. And now it's clear that we're in this position in and we're going forward with that you you know you surround yourself with some veterans at one, and now you're adding not youth in with that youth in the higher picks. The speed in the skill comes with those and we've been able to acquire some them the last couple of years. You Know Rob. Louw Grove Itai, the nicknamed Lucky Luke. Did. You make sure you had next to you tonight for that particular reason. While after last year's. Luke who went there and We went from two to five. So. I'd like lucky. Are you allowed to come to this now? I'm glad that Luke was in. We were able to get through whatever the protocol we had to do to get in here and do it together because we did have some of those conversations between the the awkward moments when you're trying to figure out exactly where you stand on different odds. It's such a weird time right now. Rob For a lot of reasons. You know you know that you've got the number two overall pick, and normally you know you would know who that player is by now. We'd be drafting that player. You know just last week now. You've got to wait another few months like this is just. How do you guys prepare from here? How do you guys go from here and this odd time of life? Well I think it narrows the The band players like we were one of the teams we could go from one through seven one once they finalize the the format of the draft lottery. You know where we were sitting at fourth week could go one through seven so that there's a big range of players and and you do your prep and you do your interviews now you take it to that second stage, and now you narrow down now. There's a very narrow. Selection of players now you gotTa Dig in and do your homework there, but it also sets up the second round, third round the fourth round, and so on so You know lots of work to do there. Then the other scenario is is whenever the draft will happen. WILL OTHER LEAGUES BE UP AND PLAYING? Well? You get another look at some of the top picks plane. You know four or five months after the season pause, so there's there's. There's a huge growth in maturity and and growth in these players over that time, so some of those things are unknown right now but it, but it should does narrow down the the players that you will be talking to in your discussions going forward, so here's my question based on that. If we all if we all believe, there's a number one and that's left year. How many players in you? The kings is are in the next tier. I would say we're probably really going to work hard on a boat for for Okay I. It depends on you know picking up the second pick here there. There are some guys that we gotta have some serious discussions ongoing for their. How many of these? Top prospects like the real high end players. Have you seen yourself? Other the top first round. I. Don't only exact number I got to see quite a few. What do is the first half the season I stay with a big club for the most part, and then the second half. Unfortunately kind unfolds the season, and you know that you're okay now we're. We're projected to be picking this such and such areas. So now you start, get a number that you can go and see. You know, but I I've done that the past couple of years. I don't know if that's a the formula. I'm ever going to end up with exactly when I when I do this for a little while, but to, but I've seen to do that and a lot of it's based off of kind of where our team was here and you know this year with a new coaching in the turnover in the type of things, I just felt the imperative to be. Be around the team until lease past Christmas and then we go out the other fact that comes into their marketing, any is run our amateur for a number year, so I have a real good relationship in a real good understanding of how he does things, and and when he does his lists in the timing lists, and then when he when he brings it to me to get to a certain area encircled players that we need to go see so. A lot of that goes into play on deciding when and how we go to see these prospects, you know rob just out of remote curiosity and a lot of reaction to the way the draft unfolded, and how the number one team is GonNa go. Do you have any problem with it like you know you've seen everything in your career? Do you have a problem at all here? No I mean again. That's the way it's GonNa. Unfold, so you'll let it happen and. You know we were discussing in the back. Is this what they want? Ed Is this the worst case scenario? Best Listen it. It adds so much more drama. You can see a whole nother phase and another group of teams coming in there, so we understood that process. It was interesting. Because since the pause, there were so many different scenarios. Let alone. Playing or the playoff structure there was also talk about how the draft lottery how the drought in, so you play all these different scenarios, but finally come up with one and you know this is the outcome. This can happen, so you're little more prepared for it. I'm curious about the The La Market for a for a young prospect. How much to take into account mean just you know Elliott Ni- work out of Toronto, and it takes a very as you all know rob, a unique type of player to be old to survive and thrive in that in that environment. What does it take to survive and thrive in Los Angeles players successful there. It is different. It's different because the everyday drive outside the arena per. Se isn't there not not like. It is in Toronto, Montreal or Whatever you know, eastern type team there, so learn a lot when Dean was here about. A of culture type of important so that when you walk through the dressing room or walk into that room every day? It's Zach same field. That would be in an eastern city. That's had the. The the the hockey bread into him from day one so that's kind of way that we've read that we. We have different obstacles because of the outside. Pressures on different days and getting away in things, players tend to really like to be able to step outside the dressing room and get away from things for day or two, but we have to create A. Culture inside there, so that the next minute they walk back in that room for practice or not that pressure and all that intimidation, a plane is built in there again, so it's a little unique but I've been here long enough and I think I've been fortunate that I've not only experience in the GM jam, or whatever, but as a player to so I've seen the whole thing, and then I was able to go to another market like Colorado where where it was a lot different. I have a non draft question for you. Rob I've heard some rumblings that there could be some of the teams that don't make the playoffs beginning a chance to play some games earlier in the fall. Is there anything to that? Yeah no their soul. There's a lot of different scenarios. We haven't had direction one way or the other. I'm aiming I, think obviously they're they're focuses getting the the stage three, and then the then the play in stage, stage four in process in that, but there will be a discussions coming forward going forward on on how it's handled development wise what hypoc camps and and different structures because you know, the players have been offer longtime, and then seventeen did not qualify for the plan. is much extended period of time and you WANNA. Be Able to get to some touches with your prospects, but not only now your prospects. The the current players also so there'll be. Much discussion going in different scenarios. We haven't had that direction, but we obviously know they're. They're very focused on some other things I hear to get set up. Okay, and my final question for you is if you had fifty dollars, and unless you invested really poorly, I'm betting. You have fifty dollars. Who would you bet on to win the Stanley Cup this year she's. Boy. I don't know it's not a normal. No, it's weird. Question I have no idea well. It's two different scenarios so as it. He a young team has all this energy that comes back really quick, or is it the veterans team that knows how to prepare so I. Don't know I. It'll unfolded. Listen I I. Think at the end of the day. The what what I've been able to see between the the players association in the NHL has. has been terrific the last few months because they're. They're actually working together because they both understand that they WANNA, get hockey back and People WanNa see Sports, and and and you guys know you're in that market there, you you know how important it is, so so everybody's been on on the same page at that is so important, health wise I, but to get the sport back and. Listen We? We're all excited to see some kind of a playoff hockey and you know whether it's fans are no fans or whatever you. You understand that the guys when they get into that setting, they're going to. They're going to compete. Are Eight and then my final one will be a a non lottery. Question is while I want to ask you about colleagues and specifically blue liners turned managers We just saw two defensemen going to the hockey hall of fame in Doug Wilson and Kevin Lowe your hockey hall of Famer, Yourself we talked about last week on the podcasts. As a matter of fact, give a thought on these two I mean their their colleagues in it. They're both managers, and also played the same position that you did in the NHL well first and foremost the defense. No smartest guys on the ice, so they should. Be Able to make all those decisions and thanks. No, they're terrific You know I didn't. I've never really known Kevin too much away from playing them. And watching his career unfold and terrific player, and all the things that he brings to the hockey game I you know I was fortunate with Doug Wilson I got to play in San Jose, at the end of my career under Roman and really got to know him and I now use them quite a bit. In my current role when I have questions and want to have a different things that come up in the manager role, these guys are are really open to openly discussing things with you. You know there's competitive advantage and everybody knows it, but they but they're also very open in Doug's been terrific with me on on all aspects Oh great for them great, for Kenny, Hall and Jerome and Jerome. had part of his career here. The end in La Anna was a terrific role model for such a short period of time, but I remember I took over rate after that and I remember having to you guys. Some you guys in here. Don't understand how fortunate yard a play with a player like him. So you know great job by all these guys, a little different format with everything that unfolded, but but hats off to all of them blinders the smartest, especially the right shot these is that right rub? Yes far. Thanks so much for joining US congratulations angling number two. Guys thanks. Thank Rob Blake for dropping by the podcast today from one GM to another rob. Lake in the Los Angeles Kings select. Second and then it'll be up to pure Dorien who has two picks in the top five number three and number five? Here's the Ottawa senators general manager with Elliott. This was on our ask thirty one show on Youtube moments after the conversation with Ron Maclean show wrapped up. Here's the Ottawa senators GM on thirty one thoughts the podcast. Right away the first question. Is there a sense of relief? Now that this is all over? I mean so much has been built up to this day. And now the the order has been determined a question mark number one. Is We all know? How do you feel right now? Great Great. I think our fans and the organization's been anticipating this day knowing where we were thick, there was a bit of a delay to it, and it'll be with everything going on the world, but now we know we pick three and five, and if you would have said at the start of the year that you're picking three and five, you would have said it's not the greatest year for the Ottawa Senators but at the same time. We know that we're making the right steps in our reveal. You know Pierre First of all. There's a lot of reaction tonight about the way the lottery unfolded in the fact that one of the play in teams is going to be picking I. Do you have a huge problem with this? No, not all. We knew that if the scenario would have been like the usual self, it would have been the same scenario one of the teams. Teams that missed the playoffs and know it's a different world I. Liked the scenario I will be very forthright that when this plan came out I was all four i. it's set things worn place and you know it could be a good team that you know we could have been there, but that's the way that they set it up and gestures from the Ottawa. Senators. The fact that you're selecting you have multiple pictures. We know in the first round, specifically the number three and number five. Does that change in any way how you approach those picks I mean. There's two formulas right. We're picking for position or were picking best player available. Does anything change from Your Scouting Book Now? No about I think you have to look at when you're picking that early to graph, you have to look at the immediate impact. Some players can have at the end of the day. It's what those players do for you through their career A. Play for your for your whole career, but at the same time you have to look at their. Short term impact, medium, term impact, and what they're going to be has NHL players, the long term impact in some players in the top five. Even though you're picking the top five, consult a bit later, but others can have an impact right away so obviously with our q scout threatenen. WHO's I can't stay in of good things about he's one of the best in the business I would have a scouring background, and we have special to scout man. We're going to sit down together with a group of Scouts and you know we've been through multiple scenarios we knew. That we could end up picking five and six and for us. We feel that we're going to get a really good player that could play frus Shirley's next year three and it could also happen in the case of five. You know Pierra you gave a really. When we were on with Ron in the polls, show gave a really good breakdown of some of the players, and I was thinking when you were talking about it Doug, Maclean would always talk about the year that on's Copa Tara was available and he's like this is a guy from Slovenia. And the he was nervous about staking his reputation on drafting a guy from Slovenia and here we've got a Guy Institute all and there would be a time I. Bet you people would talk about Germany and say the exact same thing like Michael Take. Take a German Guy, second or third, overall now the way the world's changed in fifteen years since you started scouting yourself and your family's history of scouting is there less fear about players from non traditional hockey hotbeds i. think if you could just the players that have come out of Germany last year you look at a player like dry title was one of the best players in the league I know he played his junior in Prince Albert, but he he still came from there. You look at more reciter. Last year. The redwings took in the I. Think it's six overall. Germany's is up becoming countries far developing hockey players and having spend quite a bit of time in Germany this year. That league is a very good league So there's the hockey players hockey players wherever they come from in this day and age away. They trained with video in the world. The way the world is no qualms about taking anywhere from where they're from all right. Sorry, Jeff One quick question. German beer or Riesling? Still my favorite. We know. We're not GONNA get you to to to show your hand as it relates, you're looking at for three or five. We're GONNA. Have to go at your philosophically here beer There are some that say you should never draft. A goaltender in the first round is pure dory in one of those people. Who Take that you feel will help you most win. In a span of three to seven years. Could add Sir I. We have a question here Sean are. Would you consider trading out of either of those spots? would be very difficult to do something like that. I think we have a plan in place here. We always knew we were going to have you know as the year went on. We always we'd have to fairly high picks. We've put water resources and taking those two players, and with a depth of the top ten I would say. I personally think from scouting a lot this year and I know Trenton chiefs golden are Scouts in the many conversations we've had that. We feel that there's fifteen to eighteen to twenty players that are going to be really good NHL Thurs this year. It would be very difficult for us to do that. They would have to be a special player coming our way to do that scenario, but we never say never to those types of scenarios I think it's our. Our job to listen as an organization, but I would be surprised if we moved out of three five Kate If I could ask you this then maybe I think a lot of people assume that laugh on the air would go first without giving US names. Can you tell us give us an idea of the next tier? How many players you don't have to name them? But how many players do you think are in that next tier after suffering year? I would have probably have to tell you. There's to the next here. Then! There's probably another in the next year from probably four to twelve is probably next year then twelve to eighteen to twenty s. But they're all going to be. South good, and in that third tier that you talk about I, mean everyone's list will look wildly different. Non We suspect does that. You know going back to the question trading. Does, that make it a little easier. We know number three going to be allowed to get number three from Ottawa's going. GonNa be a tough sell, but number five considering the player that you want might be still be available at six, seven or eight that make it easier for you, but you know we have a lot of picks so for us. It's always drafting quality over quantity. But in this year's draft, we feel we have the best of both worlds we're GONNA have quality and quantity with having nine picks in the first three rounds we. We feel that at this point in time. If we if we can add as many quality pieces. I think it really sets us up for a lot of future success. You're on a released a statement calling this a major step forward in the organization. It sounds like you're echoing those sentiments as well. David we were. We were all here at CDC. Mister Malik was here. DJ drove in. He wanted to be part of this system. He direct average was here, and so was our new president of visits operations at the Neil and we were all united were all. All respecting social, distancing some time talking with our masks, and we can really hear each other, but it was. It was a very eventful night for the Ottawa senators in I think that's GonNa really set us in the right path for a lot of successful import and was Dj selling all the Oh, l., kids I know it's sort of return to the first round for the Ontario League. He was good he he knows some of them obviously. He was asking can three five playtex year was probably the. Probably the more obvious question from. We're seeing more and more of it so number one pick always sort of steps into the NHL now couple of picks that ben and sometimes three four five players jump rate in into the NHL. Something of your mind when you look at the list of potential first rounders. How may do you think can step right in? Jeff Not that I don't want to answer the question. When are we going to start? You know what happens here. Jeff is that we're not allowed to physically test a lot of it is. How physically strong? These players are at eighteen nineteen years old, and also we don't get to. Spend time with him as much as we want to a time, it's also the mental aspect. Can the handle the -versity of for the first time in their life, not playing on a first line. In opening on a third and four finding developing the way that they should be developing, you know facing adversity for the first time you know it's way different playing against the nineteen year old defenseman, and the next night going out and facing Shea Weber it. You know it's it's. It's something that we have to gauge your for ourselves. And we respect whatever the rules are from the NHL, but hopefully in the next by the time to draft comes. We get the chance to do some kind of physical testing. Do some kind of spending time with every player. You know UHM, interviews. Interviews are great and we've had I think we've had over seventy, and you missed maybe four or five, just because of other work, but at the same time. Even though you get you know some Zuma videos gone forty five minutes for us, but in you're only allowed fifteen to twenty minutes slow time when we have the regular combines, but it's still not the same as sitting in a room with someone sure Elliott last question to you, and then we'll give it to Andrew from Youtube here. You Go pee. You'll love this one if you could trade three and five for one. You. Perfect Listen Wonderful night for the Ottawa Senators, congratulations on number three and five thanks so much for driving by, and we have a lot of media commitments to appreciate you park time with US tonight. Elliott, it's a pleasure. That's pure Dorien Ottawa senators general manager they will select third and fifth at the NHL draft in twenty twenty. Whenever that is Quick break! We're back was jam causing Tino our lead draft analyst at sportscenter on thirty one the. Elliot when we need prospect information, we go to one source, and that is SAM causing Tino his list up right now. Sports Net dot, C. R. Lead draft analyst, as we like to say, and close observer of all things, prospect and the C. H.. L. As well, Sam kind of been asking everybody this evening. Just before we get into the players and where they rank where they slide, give us your thoughts on on what we just saw what we just witnessed. On Friday night with team placeholder coming in at number, one my thoughts. You know what it's going to give a lot of people like ourselves a lot to talk about for a long time I feel bad for Alexi Laffan year, because he's been robbed of the opportunity to get up on stage in Montreal in front of Friends and family and. Shake, Gary Bettman and shake the general manager's hand of the team that would have selected him. So this just prolongs that weight. Having said all that, though there's endless possibilities I mean. Could he play with Sidney Crosby? Could he end up playing in Montreal which would be a really cool story in and of itself, so although he does have to wait. Maybe the opportunity to to play at home is something that's worth waiting for. You Know Sam, we had pure Dorien on at thirty one and hurt him here as as well on the thirty one thoughts, podcasts in Ottawa selects third and fifth and everything in life is based on. You know expectations and. I'm sure going into Friday night. Ottawa senators fans head. Dreams of you know getting the first round pick. I don't want to call it affiliate because it's a lottery. How good are these picks? Still for the Ottawa Senators, or is this a huge loss for the team I don't think it's a huge loss I mean laugher near would have provided that. You of the off ice and got no being across the river. You know one of the french-speaking community there would have been you know unbelievable for the franchise. Having said that their prospect pool right now is absolutely stacked so now in the position of three and five, they have the ability to address the two most coveted positions likely with the three pick I think by feels A. A guy that they take their. If not still slow, both of them projected center, and then with the fifth pick. They're probably going to be able to get the first defenseman off. The board is going to be Jamie Drysdale Jake Sanderson. That race wasn't close in the middle of the year, but in the second half the gap between those two titan spend now you can. Can Address Center ice with size with by field? And now you can address who you think is the best defenceman and continue to add stock to what has already a deep talent pool for the Ottawa Senators, so they should be extremely happy sitting in that position, because it almost forces their hand into into addressing a Centerman and a defenseman. You know one of the things I was. Was Listening to was was story on, and we heard earlier in the podcast San and he talks about tears, and he kind of talks about there's the guy at the top. Then there's a couple and then there's sort of like four to twelve so separate guys for us here like if you're in Dorey on shoes live frontiers the first here who's in the next year. Well Tim Stewart's Look Clinton by fielder in that tier. What's going to mess things up and I think Detroit picks Cole Perfetti at four, so does it mess it up. Is that a bit of a reach? You can make that decision for yourself. I think the between. Detroit and Perfetti are too much to ignore so let's just assume that they go down that road now. You're looking at Ottawa at three and five. You know they've had a lot of success in Sweden. You know when you look back at Carlson and when you look back at. At Alfredsson, so Lucas Raymond is a player that fits squarely in that group at number. Five markle. Rossi is a guy who led the Ontario Hockey. League in scoring. Who played in Ottawa backyard? He's a potential guy. there. Alexander Holtz and other sweet, but when I look at the tears, I, don't for me. I look at one, and then I look at the next ten or eleven players. So who am I to discount or discredit? What Peer Doran, says and my personal opinion. I, think you're pretty good. Til Ten for sure and. And maybe even as far as twelve and I. do think there's going to be a lot of different players that positions are jumbled I. Think Jake Sanderson is a guy who I think may even get into the top five I think coal perfetti. You know as a guy that I would have had around seven or eight that I think now goes to Detroit at four, so things are going to get shifted around just a little bit, and then that remaining group players that I talked about is very much in the mix. Studio Raymond, Holtz Negga Drysdale Sanderson. Perfetti Rossi Jack Quinn is a guy who also played in Ottawa. Who may see a significant rise inside the top ten, so I think the possibilities really are endless. There and Ottawa perfectly placed, but that next group of players for whatever team takes them. The fans of that of those teams should be really happy about it. In a we've talked a lot this season about the German, but what about the Austrian and you just mentioned his name Marco Rossi of the the Ottawa sixty seven's every time I saw that team play like that was a dynamite team out. That's a real disappointment for for Ottawa. This was you know potentially of Memorial Cup Year? I think we're all waiting for that. Big Showdown Peterborough Pete's and Ottawa. Sixty seven's peterborough seemed to be the only team that could handle them. Now is going to be a dynamite series. Should we have gotten there? But what do you make of Marco Rossi? I just love this guy and I. Compare them a little bit, too. brayden point he's if Centerman. He's a little bit smaller. He thinks the game extremely well. He's one of those players WHO's not afraid to go to the dirty areas. He's defensively responsible, and I always tend to to speak to the coach, and you always have to take that with a grain of salt, but because the coaches typically promote their player, but even going back to last year I remember sitting in London and the coaches off talking hundred tourney, and he said I'm telling you right now. This guy's a top five pick. So. He comes along the lines of Nico He Scher. In fact, that's why Rossi ended up. Coming over to north. America he had contacted he sure he sure played for Andre Turn Year for the one year he was in Halifax and based on that recommendation in part he made his way to Ottawa, so he could play under the very same coach, but when it comes to Rossi, low center of gravity works three hard Andre Attorney said in practice. He's an animal. He takes no prisoners practice. He elevates the entire team with those great practice habits. Then all things that you can do on the ice. You know the last thing. Thing Aussie he's extremely driven. I mean Austrian hockey wasn't good enough for him to play at a young age, so he and his dad had to drive into Switzerland to be able to play there with slightly better competition. You're talking about hours upon hours in the car. You're talking about his dad losing his job on a couple of occasions, so it's been an entirely family commitment for a player who is driven, and who, because of his size, might end up slipping a little further than than what I had originally had at five, but you're GonNa get a really really good player there and someone. I like into brayden point. Guy, who takes no prisoners? That sounds like you in the pizza. Line there Sammy. And your beard. So. Let's go through it. Let's go through your list, so people can check it on the website. It's sports net dot CA, but while you're here, take us through it like if you're. The Sami draft takes through. Well we know seventeen. Take us through your top seven. Yeah, okay, so I'm working on that currently and so as I. It might change slightly from when I sit down and write and start to think about and go through stuff, but laugher near to the placeholder e F G H Educa- Alemanno P. whoever okay still go second to La. Then I, think you look at by field at third and think you look at Perfetti as about as. As much as as laugher near in my opinion at four, you go back to Ottawa five I think they dress defenseman. and. This is where I'm going to have a lot of consternation report. I'm going to say Drysdale by the time it goes to print might end up being Sanderson. Let's go to Anaheim at six, so if I put drysdale with auto all right now six. I goes the way of Sanderson. Then you get into New Jersey I. Think Rossi is a guy who fits well there, and then you get the Buffalo, and I think Lucas Raymond is a guy who gets into that mix now. He's another guy that I'm having some consternation about in terms of changing and moving up and down, but that's first glance. That's how I see it laugher near studio by feel Perfetti. Drysdale Sanderson Rossi Raymond. I want to drill down on a couple. More of these kids won't continue this theme that Elliott started on here of walk us through your, listen and and walk us through the draft I know you're not necessarily the biggest fan of taking the goalie in the first round. But when you have some Yaroslava scar off. It does give you cause for pause. How high can this guy go? He's gone. He's gone for sure I have him outside a ten because I just feel that that group ten players with two defencemen in eight forwards in that group is just too good to pass on to wait for the goalie now. Anywhere, past ten, then it becomes a viable option in the past that I looked the critical path that I like to look at. IS THAT OF TAMPA? Bay Vast Levski giving some time. Let him mature stay another year in Russia. Camano overplaying the American hockey. Get your chops then I look at Washington Samsonov same thing they were very well positioned with Brayden, hoping and goal, so they knew they didn't have the Russian. They let them play in the cage another year. Then they brought him over American Hockey League and now look what Samsonov's doing this. This year in Washington really good things as a backup to the point now where maybe you can look pass, Brayden hope for the next contract or maybe becomes a piece that you can move, or maybe you you. You kind of move on from it, so I think it's more suited to a team that wants to take that critical path where they're pretty good and goal right now, but would really want to continue that moving forward and allowing the sky three four years before he's able to come over and play in the National Hockey League. We talked a lot last year about how the Vancouver draft was I mean that was all about development program like that was spectacular. All the players in the first round the Friday night in Vancouver safe to say that this year is the return of the C. H. L. no question about it, and it's three leagues I mean we saw an emergence of of a couple of Western hockey league players Seth Jarvis being one of them Ridley Greg being one of them. Brad, Schneider was already in that mix, so to was connors, very. Very, but the emergence of those other two players really helped out and when you look at NHL, central Scouting Ozzy Wise Blat of Prince Albert has also moved up considerably now. Let's flip back and go to the Quebec Major. Junior Hockey League of course have laugher year at the top of that list there, but as you move down Dawson Mercer Unbelievable Hendrix Lapierre but of a wild card because of the neck issues that he suffered Justin Baron is a guy who again missed a lot of time because of injury. Jeremy Pori the defenseman. Maverick Gorkhas another guy who's highly thought of now will flip over to the Antero. Hockey League, and it starts here with Clinton by field and Jamie drives. They'll be in the top two guys there. Then you go. Perfetti Rossi Quinn so on and so forth. I forgot okayed Guli for the western Hockey League so definitely definitely a banner year for the Canadian hockey too bad. They're not going to get the big stage to to be able to show at all off, but I think there's really impactful players right down through the bottom of this list that are gonNA come from the Hockey League. I gotTa tell you. Sam I've just still in shock about the craziest of this night We have to talk about this a little bit because you know Samurai were doing that post. Show with Ron you know Sola? Frontier supposed to come on and all of a sudden. He doesn't know where the heck he's going, so he doesn't want to say anything and Ron's like okay. What happens if the season doesn't play, so we're scrambling to get the answer to that question. And I mean it was crazy there for a couple of minutes. It absolutely was yeah. I gotta say I put my weed growers there for a second. I'm looking around and saying all right I got three or four questions for laughing here. This thing is going to be smooth. Pie haven't done live, TV and so long. And then you get thrown that curve ball, but that's what it's all about. It's crazy to think of the endless number of possibilities for that young man. Because he has to wait, but the weight might be worth it and Like I say it's probably good for the League to have all that talk. You're going to have your dissenters. Brian Burke being one of them, saying this is a sham. This is a hoax, and whatever else, and the very rarely goes against the league, but you're still going to have that cap, and that camp is going to engage in discussion just as much as the camp. Who thinks it's pretty cool. You know what I think. I would like it better if you call the Travis Show mockery like like like the old beer. But you know what here's the thing I'll say this and I said earlier in the podcast to. There's always teams who are in the lottery in those spots. Yeah, right, that's right and I know that this is unusual, and this is screwed up to me. It's very twenty twenty. Yes I. It's the year, right? Like if there's ever appoint where this was going to happen, it was GonNa be in twenty. Twenty and everybody agreed to this right. This is the way that it was going to happen I. Don't think anybody wanted this no i. don't think so either, but with it. Being Twenty twenty, we were bound to see one of the teams. Yeah, one of the place holders for yet. Let's drill down a little bit a little bit more on on, Alexi, laugher near because you guys hawks Ron about him, on the the Friday nate in. Show and Ron talked about you know positions in can't be a center and you know generally it's the centers in the defenseman that go first overall. Give us a breakdown Sammy from what you've seen. You've covered him for a long time. What do you see when you see Alexi? laugher near and does like? I liked Elliott's point with Ron that position now more so than ever doesn't really matter. We have playmaking wingers as much as we have playmaking centers, but give us a skillset for Lexi. laugher near. Fridge copy that answer for me first of all. Greatness boroughs genius steals. But let's start with the size real typical hockey size, six, one, eight, hundred, nine, hundred ninety five pounds. And he's added Larisa as I've watched him over three years I mean you come into the league and is a sniper so forty two goals? Yeah, unbelievable, and then you go into your next year you win. You're the C. H.? L. Player of the year you come back and you've added that layer physicality to your game, so we've seen the goal scoring. We've seen the playmaking now. We've added that physicality to his skill set this year or at least something that emerge throughout the course. Course, of this year, most likely because it was third year in the League, and he's a little bit stronger and a little bit faster, and so on so forth so when I look at this player, I'm not thinking of the Nathan, Mackinnon speed I'm not thinking of the puck handling ability at high speed connor. mcdavid I'm not thinking about the hands of Patrick Kane, but I'm thinking about a little bit from each of those guys and so Patrick Kane is his favorite player because. The vision is something that really sticks out when it comes to laughing years game he makes plays. That are completely unexpected. He's really good in all three zones when he's committed to work on the defensive side and neutralize. He's really good there. You ask US coach searchable. Soleil and he wasn't always committed to that all the time but that's something that's definitely in his repertoire. He shoots it hard. Heavy accurately, really super-quick released. Released and his ability to read the plane his vision or is something that really sticks out now I'm looking at a guy where skating is not an issue whatsoever I'm looking at a guy who has a lot of those little pieces from those super high end, skilled guys, but with that added layer physicality that maybe they don't have any. That's what puts them over the top, and and makes him the number one guy. Quinton by fields almost a full year younger. Than Alexi laugher near. How much do you take into when you're measured the two against each other and you have a couple years now, Sam. How much you take that into account. It's huge. It's huge for me and I'll use near as the example you go back to first world. Junior experience did not go well. You know he was called out is playing. Time was limited, but aren't we saying the same thing about Clinton by field and his experiences here I don't think. He touched the ice in the final game and he started out at Camp when I went to watch him a camp here in Oakville, I mean he was a guy that you thought. Thought was going to instantly being the top six. Now things played themselves out. The older players emerged and all of a sudden. We're talking about a guy who ended up not playing time and more towards the back end, which is where life frontier was that one extra year of playing in the League that one extra year of being able to work out. It's huge. This guy four to fifteen I mean what if he comes back when the C. H. L. starts to play again at six five to twenty to twenty five. The one thing I'll say about his game he plays with a short stick, and that takes away from some of his being six four. I'd like to see him play. With increased length on the stick because. Just GonNa make him so much more effective, and it's going to make him more of a menacing figure out there on the ice now he likes that in tight game is hands are really good. He feels comfortable with that I. Don't think he's going to be able to play that way. In the National Hockey League, and so that's something that maybe as early as next year he adds to his repertoire when you talk about adding layers to his game, but that ten months makes a huge difference. Essentially, it's another year in the Canadian Hockey League and think of the jump that laugher near. Near made from last year to this year, I think by fields do for something similar and finish up getting your Your focus on Tim stood slow of Mannheim. Last year was more at CIDER, a little bit of a off the board. Pick at that spot by the Detroit Red Wings, but make no mistake about it. This guy could go as high as number. Two the one thing about him. Specifically that scouts rave a boat is the speed. The Sky Flies. Yeah, no question and he can handle it at high speeds. He's really light on skates. He's an excellent playmaker. Todd Lewis goes very well known to US over at sports and works with Mannheim and he says that. He was too nice guy and didn't WanNa pass the Puck, so that's why I only ended up with seven goals. I mean they were talking a little bit about that. On Timid City, he would much rather have deferred to his twos older more experienced teammates, but I spoke to Marquette who played in the interior hockey going back to when I first started calling games. He's a teammate of his and he can say enough things about this guy's work ethic. He's like man. I get up I. Go to the rink early. This little buggers here. He he's ahead of me and when I'm leaving. I'll go check the rank and. And he's out there doing more stuff so that work ethic that competitiveness that quiet confidence all part of the intangibles that he brings to the table, but when you look at the playmaking ability and the ability to handle the puck at high speeds on the ice. That's what really impresses you and I think. Jeffey, the last thing that I'll talk about. He had the opportunity to play center at the World Juniors so getting back to his peer group and I think there's GonNa be a lot of teams that project him being center, and of course as you know, that adds tremendous value to his draft stock the new to. Interesting? Yeah, very well. Put their a won't play as heavy as pure Luke. Dubois you know some of the comparisons have been made to Mitch minor in terms of his ability to pass the puck to do it at high speeds to do sort of the unexpected thing. But he looks to me more like. I see a little bit of Patrick Kane them. In terms of the hands in the playmaking ability there, so he's going to be an interesting guy to watch, but I feel pretty strongly that he's GonNa end up going away at two. Sammy the best thanks as always for doing this, we'll We'll have you on plenty as the draft approaches whenever that is. Amazing facts lock is care. And that Sam, Costantino lead draft analyst at sports net his latest rankings available at sports, DOT CA, and whenever the draft is Elliott's You can be sure that you must re would Sam's writing in sports that DOT CA and follow. He's on Instagram by the way he still. He still resistant to join twitter Elliott. Over instagram's. He can follow Sammi there Elliot. Before we wrap up here for a for a couple of weeks, just put a final bow around this one I. Mean Friday night. You've talked about this before. How Lottery Day lottery night? The draft lottery in general is a big deal for franchises and one of the most important events of the year on the NHL schedule. Nothing determines your future more than this Nothing determines your future more than the lottery bigger than trade deadline bigger than free agent center percent hundred percent. Look at this on Friday night. Look how many teams futures just got totally Changed Yep Detroit's. Ottawa's La's Edmund some. Well. I mean God only knows where we're going here. With the number one overall pick all of a sudden. There are sixteen more teams. Looking at this and going. As we're taping this right now, I gotta read you. This tweet I I'm not going to tell you who it's from. What A bleeping disaster! This draft lottery turned into. That's I disagree. I. Think this is Great. We have a storyline. NEW STORYLINE IS GONNA run the after the play in rounds over. is going to be a huge television audience totally for the number one overall. Pick a you came to see. This is a gift like this is a gift that has been handed to you. Are you grown up enough to take it. cleese don't get squirrelly about this. This is a gift that has been handed over placed on the table. Are you grown up enough to pick it up because it's a gift? I am really curious to see where this goes like at the beginning of this podcast. I talked about how it doesn't bother me that much. Stop reading your tax as I. Sit here and read my tax. I am wondering. What the legacy of the twenty twenty draft lottery is going to be? It's GONNA be like the rest of this year. The rest of this season it like we set off the top. This is a completely on brand. Finale for the lottery. This is perfect. This has been a year. That's been thrown into chaos. All of our lives have been turned upside down. Why shouldn't the lottery? We've been preparing for this for how many months now as our lives are all different every single one of us. We've been preparing for this. Let's not pretend that we haven't. This is the twenty twenty ending. It's perfect I think we should end the pot on that. Because I like it sure, but before we do, we should let everybody know were taking a break. And it's going to be at least two weeks. Although if there's something happens, we might do a quickie emergency podcast, but we want to say thanks on behalf of Jaffa myself and all of us exports net for all of you, who still downloaded the pod and listen to all of our episodes since March when there was no hockey being played and we learned. Learned and we were reminded that we've got a lot of really loyal listeners, and we just want to say we don't take that for granted, and we really appreciate your interest. You know what Al also learn that. And this is through tweets and DM's and taxed generally the people that listen to this podcast Elliott are way more interesting and intelligent than you and me. And this goes. Those guys prove it every single week here so we thank you for for the downloads, and for lending us your ears as well. You taken us to the taking us out on the road for a run or just into their garage, Jim or just around the house, or just so a little reprieve from the kids. Whatever you do with this podcast we thank you for the downloads really appreciate. We're back in two weeks or sooner or later. We're like that. Local pizza shop, not the chain pizza place, but local shop that. When you order a pizza, they sign off like this That's GonNa be twenty, six, hundred, thousand five. It'll be there in thirty minutes, or it's late. Thoughts.

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The Great Playoff Debate: Round 3 (Barry Melros, Jim Fox & Nick Nickson)

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The Great Playoff Debate: Round 3 (Barry Melros, Jim Fox & Nick Nickson)

"You're listening to an LA. Kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit l.. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. Puck winds up on the right bank corner centers chuck. Scarred and over time the Kings when you're listening to all the king's men, the official cast of the La Kings Williamson for the PA, beat it out to Martinez Martinez with a shot tip. Pigs when. Tina's. From. Kentucky? Stanley Cup final now. Here's your host Jesse. Cohen Welcome at Kings. Fans, I am Jesse Cohen. This is all the king's men presented by Manscaping an official partner of the La Kings. Thanks to this revolutionary. Company manscaping accidents are in the past. Just get yourself the scape perfect package three point out inside. You'll find products like their lawn lawnmower. Three point zero, which has advanced skin safe technology, so this won't cut you everything you need to keep trimmed and smelling nice in the perfect package three point zero get twenty percents off plus free shipping with the code kingsman landscape DOT COM. That's Manzke dot com use the word kingsman. If this episode was recorded before the recent protests, and while we may have more to say about it later for now, we're just going to bring you this episode and hope everybody is staying safe and healthy. This is the third installment of our great playoff debate where we've been going round by round through the Stanley Cup Playoffs to determine the best kings playoff series in history, and while we've got one more episode to go after this. I think we may have found a winner. On June first two thousand fourteen, the La, kings defeated the Chicago Blackhawks in game seven of the Western Conference Final Jim Fox Nixon both agreed that it was the best conference final kings history, but for twenty years many people would have considered the one thousand nine hundred three seven game series between the kings and leafs to be the best series in kings history, if not league history, so before we get to the two thousand fourteen series I was fortunate enough to speak to coach Barry Melrose about that seven game series against the leafs in one, thousand, nine, hundred three. Joining me now former head coach of your La. Kings Barry. Melrose today Berry. I'm doing great. I'm down here in Florida. We had a little bit of A. Mini Hurricane or a tornado this morning, so was a little bit wild, but other not I'm like every other hockey fan just. Wait and see what happens. Yeah, hopefully, we'll have more news and more good news soon do I. Call Him. Barry I feel like I ought to call you coach or something more formal. You know what I found out early that if you're an American kid. All the American kids called me coach all the Canadian kids call me by my name Berry. and that's the way it is if you're if you're an American kids, you usually use the the the name coach, but if you're a Canadian, kids usually use the first name or you know in some rigid organization. You'd use Mr Melrose, but. The American kids always coach all right well. I was born in Toronto, but raised in California so I'm GonNa go with coach deal. We're here to talk to you about the nineteen ninety-three. Clarence Campbell Conference final between the La Kings in the Toronto. Maple leafs a series, which for more than twenty years at least as far as I'm concerned, was referred to as the greatest playoff series ever played. How does it stack up in your mind? I think it's backed up. Well, with any Playoff series. It's been a lot of great ones. There's been a lot of. Of obviously you know game seven Stanley Cup finals, but that-that game seven against Toronto You know they'll go down as one of the great. Series ever and came several. Go down as one of the great. Games ever UAE well obviously to score. Obviously the you know important it was. Whoever one went onto play Montreal, Stanley Cup final renew that. He had the best player in the world playing Wayne Gretzky, who came back from a very serious injury and didn't even know if he's going to play and and has an unbelievable play offs. So that that is a number of reasons why it's one of the end and Toronto hadn't won the Stanley Cup since sixty, three, sixty, six I believe. And they they felt this was their year that they were GonNa win the West and The Western go on Montreal for the Stanley Cup. Which is a? You being Canada that's a that's the holy grail man. If you didn't get to original sexual especially to Canadian teams playing for the Stanley Cup finals, you know, don't get much better than that, so it had a lot of a lot of sidebars, a lot of very interesting things. One of the interesting things is a TV. CBC was was doing the Canadian side. obviously ESPN was doing the American side, and then you know really became. The two networks were basically against each other to obviously. ESPN couldn't get enough of you. Know Gretzky on TV and and CBC was hoping that the Maple leafs and Montreal Canadian's two Canadian teams are going to play. In the next round against Montreal. Obviously there's a ton of storylines heading into the series like you said Toronto versus Montreal being a potential Stanley Cup final. The kings had beaten Calgary Vancouver, so you've got another Canadian team on the playoff ladder to go against, but before you get to that incredible game seven. The you mentioned you had to go through games one through six and they were contentious. Did you have any animosity between the teams heading into the series or was that all established in Game One? Game One. you know. was was. You know we walked into Tron. We played well we lost. But we played really well and You know obviously during that series. We had I think the last great fight. In in the Stanley Cup playoffs. You had Wendell FARC and Marty majority. Go at center ice late in the game. It was just a just a great scrap I. I still say that was one of the turning points in the series for us. Is. When Marty and Wendell Wen toll, it really sent a message to our players that and to the other team that way this this La Kings team. It's not just a bunch of Hollywood guys, you guys play hard i. think that was our. That was our thing. All Year Long. We wanted to be the hardest playing team NHL La never had a image of being hard playing team. They had a lot of skilled guys Bernie Nicholls. And can those guys and and we really? When I went there, one of the things I wanted to change. was that mentality being skilled team? We wanted to be the hardest playing most physical team in the NHL I think for the most part we did that. Loughran Mataya had the best year ever had in his life. I believe sixty three goals. I think that's still a record. And then you mix sorely. Blake was emerging as a superstar young Defenseman SA- door nick. All these guys were I think Blake is twenty. Two and the door was twenty one I think she'd nick was twenty. And you know these three guys played more minutes than anybody else so we're in an identity. We wanted to put out there, and that was very physical team and I thought in game one. We didn't win the game, but we were very physical and They made everybody pay the price. We go more pay a price to pay a price. Wendell I thought was great I got Wendel Clark was probably the best player in that series definitely for Toronto, but maybe overall. He was with great. And that Syria so it it. It was that his type of Jerry. There was physical. It was nasty and was a lot of hitting or a lot of animosity. It was a very physical series. It was. It was a lot of nastiness out there, so was there animosity? There was a lot animosity on both sides. Unique, Pat Burns obviously got into Thursday clips that anybody who wants to go down a youtube. Rabbit hole can can go back and look at. Produce pieces on this series. Did you ever make up with some of the players? Did you ever get a chance to talk to Wendel? Clark to Doug Gilmour to Pat Burns about that series was. Went. Wendell cousins, so we saw each other. Aspirin. When when the when the series is over but hockey's very small world and you, you see each other at a function you see each other at games, you see each other and different places so. You definitely you know what you you just talk about the series a lot of It's hard talking about the series in Toronto because everyone in Toronto. They got the shaft so You know they Toronto just feels that the best team did not win the least for the best team and and the La Kings had no business wedding. Obviously blaming the referee and things like that so. but overall it was just it was just a great series it was. It was a fun series to be in It's fun series today to watch. You know so many years later. So It was just you know an enjoyable enjoyable series that. Hockey was played the way it's supposed to be play. I've got to ask they replay the game from time to time the incident with the high sticking. Call the Toronto fans are still complaining about twenty three years later. However long it's been now. It seems to me the Gretzky's stick. Maybe Clip Gilmore by that temple on his helmet, and it seems to me that he cut his chin when he flopped to the ice. Any thoughts on whether or not that was a high stick, or whether or not go more might have been milking a little bit. Here's my thinking and I say it all the time. series that I want one series that I've lost in the best seven. The best team wins you. There's just. When you play a team seven times in fourteen days, and you've gone out of tooth and nail. You're traveling across country and and doing all this stuff and playing every second night Flukes don't win. The best team always wins, and we beat them and a game seven in their building. Somehow forget that every once in a while. We walked into Toronto and game seven and we won that game and played a great game and As far as I'm concerned that that that tells it. The best team won I I. I do a lot of college hockey me and Johnny Bucci Grass, and when you're doing college hockey best to ones there's a lot of situations where maybe you know. Team gets hot at the right time, and they win the championship, but when you're playing at best seven the no no mistakes, the best team always wins, and as far as I'm concerned I could go through that day. I could find five times that Gretzky was trip or was cross-checked. Overti- was hacked. you know over and over again and that it wasn't called so I think that when you have games when you have a game seven in your building and you don't win. Maybe you don't deserve with. Wayne Gretzky obviously scores a hat trick in that game seventy. He's got ten points in the series. You mentioned Wendel Clark, as the best player for Toronto, he gets the hat trick in game six, but who was your second best player for the Kings? In that series? You get goals from Granado Robot Blake Sands from curry throughout the seven game series, and obviously there had been heroes in different rounds, but Taking Gretzky added equation. Who was your second to guy in that series against Toronto? I'd have to say Blake. I think Blake was emerging as a superstar. I you know. This is his first as the playoff hockey. He played against the other. We played four rounds as you mentioned the game four Canadian. Teams all big physical teams, Calgary Vancouver Toronto Montreal wake played against the other teams best player every night. most cases. Obviously, we get to the finals. He did a great job. Shut them down. So I think. You know Overti-. robitaille great. you know Blair. Sandstrom was great. He was second in points. I think to Gretzky, but I think the amount of. Time that Rob Blake logged and who he played against. I gotTa Think Rob Blake. was probably our second most valuable player in that series. One of my favorite thought exercises to do is to try and pick the Mount Rushmore of kings goaltenders. Because obviously you've got quick Vashon Rudy and then the debate breaks on where you WANNA. Go with the fourth round, but Kelly Rudy in this series. I'm looking through. His numbers fairly impressive. How important was the play of Kelly Rudy, in this seven game series against Toronto. Kelly's plate was very important, but Kelly was also a real leader I. Don't think people talk about that you know. They always say well, I think Longo was the only captain that team names a goalie captain, and and were C on his Jersey. But but Kelly Rudy was a leader in our dressing room. He was a guy that that. Would just you know? You know cut the BS there. You know. He was in that room. Most goalies lot of goalies ages went in the corner, and then you never saw them until they went back in the ice, but Kelly was a real leader, and sometimes when needed to be said it was Kelly that set it not Gretzky, not role the tie, not other guys. It was Kelly Rudy who. Really really beat when I when I when I got there and Madame and spend time with a move so very close friends today I talked to him. I try and talk to. You know once once every couple of weeks once a month. But he was a real leader and just A. Just hated to be scored on hated scored on practice, he eighty be scored on in the game and just worked and worked and worked and paid the price. Pay The price every night. So I think you know if you're looking for an unsung hero and the guy that gives more than just what he does on the Ice Kelly. Rudy would be the guy. Everybody knows about the hat trick that Wayne Gretzky scores and game seven. There's the famous story of him in the elevator beforehand. You know the guy asks. reacts the Elevator. Attendant what time he gets off that night or may have the details bags, but going into that game. Did. You have any sense that you're about to see a hat. Trick plus assist from the game's greatest player in Toronto's building to win a game. Seventy started off. The short shorthanded goal was just a force of nature that whole night. He's the greatest player that's ever play, you expect. Him To be great, and you're not GonNa win if he's not great. If that that's that's what being rates all about on the biggest stage, you play your best game. That's that's as being great as that's why you're great. You're not great, October you don't need to be great, November you don't need to be great December. You need to be great. In the playoffs, you need to be great in a game seven. You need to be great and game seven on the road. You need to be great when everything's against you need to be great when there's people hurt. And I expected grasp, it'd be great. I expected some special I expected. You know what I thought. was going to have a monster game. Could Lucas read playing well Thomas Answer was playing well. Granado, a warrior I. New Granada would have a big game. and and if you look at after the game you look at Granada faces sliced almost half. He's got two wickets wicked caught. On his face, white face a wide open. I never bothered him. But I I I just think I expected greatness. Wayne. Gretzky night I think that. Nobody envisioned the three in one but I think everybody that knows Wayne and has spent any time. We expected him to be pretty special at night. Well played, who played in more than one game in the series had a point. The Kings win seven game seven win the series four to three lake mentioned in Toronto's building. It was a great series for me I. was why fifteen or sixteen years old, so obviously burned into my memory so i. want to thank you very much for joining us and thank you very much for that entire playoff run. It was a lot of fun. It was great. It's still fun to watch and the best part of when I'm watching it. Is I know we went? At a very rare for. I can have that that that feeling that you know. You'RE GONNA win. I know we're. Going to win that game every time I see it so I enjoy watching it. It is a lot of funding has been to thanks again coach. I play there anytime. Now it is time now for the third round of the great playoff debate, and so joining me once again, kings color, commentator and former right wing Jim Fox. How're you doing today Jim? Jesse doing real good things very much. Sir and kings play by play, announcer and hall of Famer Nick Nixon. How're you doing today? Neck doing well great to be back with you guys as we move into round three Did, a lot of soul-searching and picking. But yeah, there've been a couple of good ones over the years. Yeah, around to you guys both went with the second round series against the Anaheim ducks that seven game series from two thousand fourteen, and so now we move onto the conference finals, the Kings of reached the third round of the playoffs, four times, advancing three of course, losing in two thousand, thirteen to the Chicago Blackhawks which set up the rematch, which both of you have selected for the best conference final in Kings, history, the two thousand fourteen seven game series against those same Chicago Blackhawks. We've already spoken to Barry Melrose about the ninety three series against Toronto. But. Let's just go ahead and take a look at this two thousand and four seven Game Series Jeff Carter leads the way for the Kings with eleven points. We talked about the importance of Gabric last week this time it's Jeff Carter. Tyler to fully Tanner Pearson leading the way eleven points for Carter six points for to fully four point six points. For Tanner Pearson, the second thing left out to me when I was looking over the numbers. Over all of the players is that while the Kings had a tremendous amount of players in the green positive, column. The Chicago Blackhawks the bulk of their team in the Finnish in the minus for this series I don't know if that was a discrepancy in power play goals between the two teams, but only three players carrying a positive number through the seven games for the Chicago Blackhawks in Anaheim. We had starting in the first round against San Jose. We had the reverse sweep in Anaheim. We had the book in Sweep Kings Winning Games one to six and seven. This one the kings take a three one lead then Chicago climbs back into it before Chicago absorb before L. A. Goes ahead and wins game seven Jim. was there one overall takeaway for you from the series before we start getting down into the weeds? Yeah I think there was I think the thing that stood out to me was that. If you look back in certain situations, if not in most situations. I believe the kings ended up out scoring the Blackhawks as opposed to out defending them. Again during the regular season that year the kings were best in goals against the hawks were best goals four. But in this series, relatively high scoring I think as far as expectations. The kings actually lost the game where they scored four goals. Which I think with the teams. The kings had there with the Stanley. Cup runs and Jonathan quicken goal. If you get four, you have to win. Kings didn't win game when they scored for yet ended up winning the series because they were able to go up and down the ice Of course, you're big. You're heavy. You're strong. You're focused on defense. The Guy You mentioned Jeff car to me stood out. The Best Player in the best series may be I've ever seen. And it was because of that ability to go up and down the ice with pace. Nick any big overall takeaways from the series. Well just to kind of follow up with Jim was talking about the offense. Yeah. The kings averaged four goals a game in the seven games against Chicago and I think The power play goals were even at six a piece in the in the series. So kings had the advantage with the even-strength play. And you know you know. I mentioned at the top You mentioned you talk to very melrose. About the ninety three Toronto series that was a great series that went seven games, but but this one one of the reasons why why I picked it was you had a Chicago team won the previous year you had a kings team that had won two years prior in twenty twelve and. With no disrespect to the Eastern Conference Finals The New York Rangers in twenty fourteen I think this was the series where everybody that was covering. It felt was between the two best teams in the NHL. Both teams are at their peak tons of talent on the blue. Line solid goaltending, quick and Crawford You know defenseman new. One, Norris trophies. So it. It was a series where. you you. You anticipated great things happening night after night, and it certainly did because as I said earlier. To me. These were the two best teams that season in the NHL. Jimmy mentioned Jeff Carter being the best player in the best series I think something that sort of makes that stand out even more is that Andrzej? copay tar doesn't score a goal in this series. Five assists and a plus one, but no goals for cope. It's our meaning that that Carter. Line I mean carried the offense in in a series like you said where they outscored the Chicago Blackhawks. Yeah and we're going to get into the deeper, but. It's. It's the we've been debating this back and forth since we've been talking about playoff situations. Again best player in most valuable player. All those things come into WHO's the difference maker which doesn't have to be one of the best players. You mentioned Copa Ajar. To me! I mean because of the time on ice. He played. He led the kings forward. Obviously that would be normal. Patrick Kane did play to average time on ice a touch more than Andre but. We would understand that they played different styles right? Can you imagine a Co Petar series seven games up and down up and down your dragon guys, you are the focal point, and to a certain extent that allows Jeff. Carter to find the space. He needs when you look Jeff. Time on ice and I don't think I'm overdoing it ongoing on time on ice as one of the most important factors. I take lookout because that's who the coach goes to. He knows his players better than anyone else, so jeff was dynamic. Offensive, he attacked. He could skate with a hawks. But again I. Don't I know you mentioned it and I. Don't think you are trying to demean all again. I think he can make the argument the COPAY. Tar is right there as the best player in that series along with Carter doubting. Just to to add in with with Jeff, Carter I was going through some of the the interviews that I was doing during that series and I talked. I think it was maybe before game four with Mike Richards who obviously broke into the NHL with with Jeff Carter in Philadelphia and he talked about how you know. Charter just had the ability to come up big in the playoffs, and you look at those three straight years. The Kings had the twenty twelve. Stanley Cup Win, than they get to the third round in Chicago the next year, and then when again in two, thousand fourteen and Jeff Carter is there all the time? A key moments as a matter of fact nobody scored more goals over those three years in the playoffs for the Kings Than Jeff. Carter, so yeah, huge in this particular series with the eleven points as you mentioned Jesse but he was. You could argue a factor in almost every factor in a lot of the the games that kings one over that three year playoff period. Let's travel real briefly back to two thousand and thirteen. The game that Chicago wins to seal the Kings fake that particular day was really rough for me, watching them lose than driving I, watched it a friend's house about an hour and a half away from where I was staying at the time. Come back home late at night to discover my dog and run away driving all over town, trying to find it then I settle down to watch episode of Game of thrones. It's the red wedding episode. It was just brutal brutal day, so flash forward back to May eighteenth game, one kings, vs Chicago it's the rematch from the previous season in Chicago. Takes Game One, three, two, one and I just. The first two rounds of the sharks docks were so emotional and such nail biters. I just thought there's no way the kings come back and take this series, Nick. What did you think after Game One? Well you know? I think. I, try not to get too far ahead of myself. When the will we start a playoff series? Know with the what the Kings did. In round one that year down three Oh to San Jose and then the emotional series I series ever with with Anaheim in around two It's interesting because of the START I remember at the start of the Chicago series I had an interview with. Mike Richards, and and he I said Mike. Is there anything that the NHL Playoffs controlled? You guys that you haven't already seen and haven't figured out how to conquer any basically, said no I mean you go back to? The Twenty twelve playoff run, and then as you mentioned the two thousand thirteen with kings did lose in the third round to Chicago, and now in two thousand fourteen down three. Oh you win, you have to come back. You went on the road in game seven in Anaheim to advance to meet Chicago. So you know early on in this series I'm just enjoying the ride and figure. This team is gonNA, figure out how to get it done again sooner or later because that's been. The way they've operated for the past three seasons. Jiminy takeaways from game one. Yeah I think you know you always enter I. Think any series with expectations. and to me. You know the emotional. Issue regardless of how mentally strong you are in that argument, I think that can be one for the kings over most teams in that area era. Because of the makeup they also had that mental strength that came to the forefront, but even with that. I almost expected a letdown at least like nick wiscon- touching on at least until you get your feet wet at least until you get a feel for what's going on. The thing that stood out to me was back was nor Chicago led to one after two periods in Kings, rolling able to get four shots on goal third period so they they were emotionally. And it was almost on. I could see that coming Another thing, perhaps I could say I saw coming was brandon was the first the? I appreciate the word black. GOING TO SORTA clump the next three games together briefly, and then we'll go through them each game by game, but you mentioned Jim that the kings outscored Chicago despite you know relying on defense and goaltending. Through the regular season we spoke in previous episodes about my desire to sort of clump games together based on goal differential Chicago takes game one three, two one. And then later obviously Chicago wins the game in overtime. The kings win a game in overtime. There's two four two three games that split. Go each way. But the Kings beat Chicago six to two, and they beat them five two two, and of course that four to three game in between them, meaning that the Kings outscore Chicago with my math is correct fifteen to seven in that three-game, stretch. I mean. How? How dominant was this team that even though it took seven games to win the series, they were able to put together a three-game stretch like that Jim. Again had to I think it had to be concerning for the hawks. That to a certain extent. They were getting beat at their own game. Every team develops an identity and again. That's why I think. Jeff was the best player in this series because. She was able. He was one of the few kings that possess the skill necessary to beat the hawks at their own game. The kings could've won in different ways. They could lock down. We could've played a tight defensive. It just didn't go that way. But, then for Jeff to be able to step up and make it happen, but in all honesty Jesse. The thing that comes to mind to me game to the hawks are up to nothing. I mean that's that seems to be a factor in the entire seven game series. Where leads did not necessarily mean that much. The lead changes were just kept going back and forth I. think that seventies line. That moniker was solidified in this series. The kings were to for four on the power play in game number two. No drew doughty again with US ice time. Just all those things come together. To a certain extent, there were games where. Ethic, for the most part, this series was best players against best players. Of course you can always have that no underdog guy that ends up scoring, but best players against best players not. Nick that three-game game stretch that we're talking about. especially with that to nothing, lead raced in game two. We've Jim talked about the strength of the two thousand fourteen, being the ability to play any style? You it any way that you need to, did you? Did you suspect this team had that kind of offensive firepower in it waiting to explode in this stretch of games like this? Yeah I think I felt it. was there based on what we saw in the previous two series that year, with with the Anaheim and San Jose and I know we talked about this issue when we went over our best round to on a previous podcast and you know. This edition of the Kings the two fourteen compared twenty twelve, a lot of additions that make the kings well make them have the ability to to average four goals a game in the series like they did against Chicago rookies like Tanner Pearson and tailored to Holly Who Jim had touched on. He looks at the minutes while for for rookies like those two forwards. You know if they're playing a lot with Jeff Carter and they were in that series and in that playoff year. They're minutes or up and they were playing that well. And, we've talked about to folly setting the kings rookie record for most points in a playoff series, but but going back to game to in Jim, a talked about Chicago's up to nothing before the king's rally. I had on my scorecard here twelve and a half minutes into the second period when it's to nothing Chicago Jonathan. Quick makes a an unbelievable. Save on Brent. SEABROOK And about five minutes later Justin Williams gets the Kings on the board and quick winds up with twenty three saves. He's named the second star. So who knows I mean seabrook scores that goal. In a what are your chances of coming back in a playoff game against the Chicago teams three nothing, and now you're going to be down to nothing in the series huge save by quick, and that keeps the kings kind of in it so to speak and As I mentioned Williams later on a goal and starts the comeback. Certainly wasn't trying to. Diminish the impact of Andrzej copay Tara as you said Jim, but another pair of players who I thought. The numbers are a little bit eye-catching. Even though I don't think it reflects poor play on their part, but Jonathan kick quick and Corey Crawford didn't face a ton of shots in this series. The only games where the shot totals got elevated. We're the ones. Ones that went to overtime, and even the double overtime win for Chicago only featured forty five shots and forty four shots at between the kings and Blackhawks respectively, which means that a lot of these goals were going in on low shot totals, but again I don't think that either goalie played poorly. It just speaks to the the talent on both rosters right. I think it does I think. I think that WHO is getting shots. Were the circumstances surrounding them again? Even though the shot totals might be, and they were relatively low for the style of games that were laid, because it was back and forth up and down. And normally when you have that, you know, you can get the third thirty, five, thirty, eight forty. You know that that that really did happen. Johnson quick save percentage of the series was eighty nine and Crawford's was eighty eight. So yeah, you know you get into that situation where you take a look at what's going on that way. To me. Game Five. I mean. Is there a better game ever played? It's it's just. It's so interesting to me how? The Hawks scored the first two goals. They lead three two after one. The kings lead four three after two. Then the hawks out. Shoot the King Sixteen to eight in the third period. Double Overtime Michael Hann. Kings don't win. That game is a mentioned earlier. They ended up scoring four end up winning the game. You have to go to extra periods to get it done. That's. But but I think what you're starting to see if I can say in this game or that game five or was Middle Games that we were talking about Jesse is this. and. Maybe in kings history. He'll never get enough respect. This was the coming out party for Jake Muslim. I mean his time on ice. He wasn't on first parenting, but he was on the second pairing. He played in power play situations. I think that was. Just a great example of a series where Jake showed his ability to skate and keep up, but be strong in the van chip in when he needed to. Let's talk about the coaching. Darryl Sutter obviously. Instrumental in bringing in Dwight King Jordan Nolan in that February before the two thousand. Twelve Cup run that team. You know heavy. Defense Banging bodies for check this two thousand fourteen team nick was there. was there a moment in the entire playoff run, or in the in the third round series against Chicago specifically, where you were impressed by Darryl Sutter's decision making in coaching moves. Well. I think because he had established himself and the success by winning the First Cup for the Kings in two thousand twelve. It. We kind of got a sense with Darryl was all about and he never you know. Never showed us his cards right from a media standpoint e wasn't going to give you much to work with or or are used as fodder with with the other with the other team But you. You had talked about you know Nolan King, being added in twenty twelve, and we've talked about this before, and that was the year that kings acquired Jeff Carter as well and here in two thousand fourteen, he, the two rookies emerge. In Pearson and to Foley and Marian Gabric who had such a great series in previous. Previously with that, I'm in twenty fourteen so now you're adding three guys certainly have skill in create offense in shoot the puck. They can play special teams which all three did so. You know the the the skill level and Jim touched on this at the top of the program. You know you look at the Chicago. Line now you look at the Kings lineup and what they've added over the last year year and a half and boy. There are a lot of weapons out there from both sides, so you know. Not Really surprised that. I think in the seven game series that were eleven times where the game was tied and there were a lot of goals we mentioned how many the kings they averaged four game, so yeah skill versus skill, and it seemed like in every game There were a couple of players on each side that kind of. showed us what they were capable of from his skill, level and And that's why this was such a great series played between two teams, and and it's tough to top this one it really is you can break it down as we are game by game, but it was a series that was meant to go seven games because of that good, and he almost hated to see at an so yeah, yeah. So Jim talked about game five that put the series at three two two. Obviously, the Kings left out to that three one lead and I thought okay. This is great. We're going to see another Stanley Cup final in kings history, but then. Chicago takes game. Six at Staples Center I was at that game, left very very nervous, very very sad at watching that game and with Chicago winning setting up game seven and I often talk about how hockey reads like a block, and each chapter is sort of judged by the next chapter, and so obviously everybody remembers Alec Martinez Scoring Over Time Against New York jazz hands that moment, but. That goal almost made sweeter by the fact that he scores the time winner in game seven, but before that another back and forth game with Carter Williams to Foley Gabric and on the other side Brandon, Saad, Jonathan, tapes and two from Patrick Sharp. Jim In. A Roller Coaster playoff year, two, thousand fourteen. How high was the peak of this game seven against Chicago? Just I can't go there yet. Okay, we're going back in six. I can't go there game. Sex Kinsley, one nothing hawks take a two one lead after two kings take a three two lead in the third. Hawks get the last two goals to win the Game Patrick. Kane took over the game in the last ten minutes of game six. Just shows you how how close these teams are now we're talking earlier. Both best players have to be your best players will team. He rose to the occasion gang sexual again. I talked about game. Five game six was was just as good for that back forth back forth. WHO's winning? WHO's losing doesn't matter you. Keep going that way. I know what? They say you were just talking about Darryl Sutter. Nick may get the same feeling I. I'm not sure I don't think we've talked about this before, but they always say that. The head coach is personality rubs off on the players. To Me Kinda rubbed off on me. I wasn't nervous going into game seven. It wasn't you know they just dropped out big game at staples. It wasn't a concern to me. I felt. I think Darryl does as good a job as any of. Just wiping that. Slate, clean. That's that's what you do. Turn the page. Galon on move on. It was. The thing that concerned me again was Cain just how he was able to take over the game going to game seven. I felt that it was it was fine. And of course then game seven started. It didn't look good. Well just a footnote on Patrick Kane. The hawks were down three to one in the series, and taking a look at it from the Blackhawks perspective, and on now they're in a must win. Right to to stay alive and Kane not only took over in game six in the third period when I can remember him, saying probably throughout that Third Grade Kane as on the ice again. I think probably when volt put him out there every other shift especially when the Kings got that that three to lead, but kane yet seven points in two games. To Tie the series. In game five game, six eight seven points, played at ton and and as far as. You. Know the mindset you know with with the Kings in the blackhawks in the series. After winning in twenty twelve and I'm looking at this now at from a kings fan, perspective raw fans right. I mean sure they didn't get to. The final was a great series with the Hawks in two thousand thirteen in the conference final. But I'm looking at this is. This is great to watch. Win Or lose I. Mean Okay. We got our Stanley Cup If we get another one great, but but this is such. You know like I said earlier. You don't want this series to end I. It should have gone seven games it did. And you know maybe the second best team in the NHL. That season lost in this series but you know I I'm of a mindset where a this is great I mean. What are the kings play over those three years twelve thirteen. Sixty four sixty six playoff mean. Titled Record for Most Playoff. Games, over three years span so. Every time for me going into the booth to the start of a game whether it's a game one game seven. Eleven. It is as a hockey fan and to me the pressure is off because the kings of already got their cup and okay, if they win another one great, but this is just fun to watch night after night. Jim I know you don't like hypotheticals, but I'm GONNA. Go ahead and throw at you. That nick just made me think of. If the Kings hadn't won in two thousand twelve and the two thousand fourteen playoffs play out exactly the way they do up to game seven against Chicago. Does the Kings taking seven against Chicago without the coupling in two thousand twelve. I think that because they made it. As far as they did in thirteen. I mean that. That just tells you that. This is quality here. This is not again. A we've talked before about. How maybe fourteen? Was the proof to everyone because you know eighth place in the Western Conference in twelve go on the three Oh in every series. To a certain extent, there's a lot of people that looked at twelve is almost a fluke for the king's just the right team at the right time. But then they get through, Western, final and thirteen again. So i. just think that's just building up. Those pressure situation games that you're used to get used to them. And you? Don't let things phase you. You get back to playing the type of game that you need to plane. It's that it can waiver. Again. We're talking about Darryl. Sutter earlier I don't think he. Kings only used what twenty total players in the series to Jeff Shoals did play game one. But you know he. Daryl doesn't make moot You see it more I guess now in the last five years where Jean loses a game in the playoffs boom lineup. You guys inserted here. He moved got. Darryl just logistics with it, and I think for that reason. Just I'm looking through. That three year span as quality throughout so I'm saying the kings have just a chance to win that game seven. As they would have if they. If they didn't win. thousands well. That brings up a point. I don't think we've really touched on in any of these three episodes when the Kings one in two thousand twelve, then there's the lockout to start the two thousand twelve thirteen series season, not a lot of roster changes in between those two seasons, and I know a lot of people were clamoring for it, and saying you have to bring in new blood, or you need new faces to invigorate the team whatever I was personally thrilled that they basically brought back the same team with you know one or two changes here there, but to try and run it back again, and even though there's marrying Gabric and Tyler Toffoli Tanner Pearson and Robin Rigg Gear and And a few more new vases in two, thousand fourteen, I really loved the fact that they did it with the same core, the same support players guys like Trevor Lewis Kyle Clifford, even fully Pearson, redrafted by the team, brought up through Manchester and Ontario, played with the Kings in the season before they were black aces i. mean I just as a fan I loved seeing that continuity, and as a you know not that I'm an analyst by any stretch of imagination, but I had to imagine that that would help a franchise during a run of excellence like that to keep the same players to get them familiar with each other to know the system, same coaching staff and all of that. And something that I don't think we've talked about Maybe a deserves being talked about Jesse. In that regard there was a core that was in place, and the kings kind of would tweak the roster as every team really does year to year for various reasons, but. You know in the. In the three years, the Kings one two out of the three years, and went to the conference final in between you look down the middle and the ability of a coach in kings case obviously, Darryl Sutter to have Qatar Carter, stole and Mike. Richards down the middle. At the time I think when the Kings were in the twenty twelve run you total up their NHL experience. That's thirty six years. I believe between those four players. And if you talk to. General managers over the years and coaches in what you need to win. The playoffs gotTa be good down the middle. You gotTa have know top pair that that has an all star, and of course drew doughty would be it for the kings and goaltending with Jonathan. Quick obviously proven that he can bring night after night, but The fact that the kings down the middle gave Darryl Sutter so many options for match ups I mean. What's wrong with Mike Richards? Out there against Jonathan tapes, or Jarret Stoll who throughout his career was very good in the face off circle out there against Jonathan tapes or Carter who had maybe the series of his life against Chicago this year, and of course Sanjay Copa Jar, so you know. To me, that's a maybe a story within the story as to why the kings were so good, and could could kind of. Change with the Times yet, not change because they had those those core pieces down the middle in place and. you know those those four players were there for for all all three seasons that we've been talking about twenty, twelve, thirteen and fourteen. Know what. Funny 'cause the next forward I would. I look back at the formula or ingredients. I look back on that stretch to the Blue Line. Where in fourteen you all have A. Carbon copy almost of. What happened in twelve because you do have? Mitchell. You do have Martinez Green. You have Muslim as the new guy who has entered the mix compared to twelve. Of course, he's playing with doughty and provides the pair. You were talking about Nick So. I'm I'm looking through that span of three years. Dean. Lombardi all talk right guys about the boxes. On his chart of players in high puts together a team while. You have a a stay at home guy. On each pair. You have a puck handler on each pair. You have a righty. Lefty on each pair. And then I think as nick was touching on. Then you have that one pair with Muslim in doubting the able to be the guys. That's I look as far as that continuity instability. Look to the Blue Line and the pairs, and how they were able for the most part the stick together again, not as much as twelve. All six defencemen played every single game, but certainly the same type of ingredients or Mitch. Get it done. Yeah I think Jim. Part of the reason why maybe? We're talking about while I talked about down the mental and you're talking about on defense. It was huge. All three playoff runs in twelve, thirteen fourteen, because the kings were or a healthy hockey team pretty much all the way throughout the got rested between series when they went sixteen in four and twenty twelve, they had to play every other night in two thousand fourteen, because every series until the finals went to seven games, but You know the defense down. The metal the core players, but you know it all makes the coach's job a lot easier when you can throw the same guys out there night after night. You don't have to worry about. While I got replaces guy with him because he's hurt, he's banged up so yeah health was huge during which is pretty remarkable. When you think of it, we talked about. Playing over sixty playoff games in three years. Ban And All the key people were healthy throughout I mean and so the kings have the star players. They're abe players. There night after night, and their support cast for the most part night after night, so to me, that was also huge. What's the old saying? The best ability is availability. Exactly. Let's talk about? The left hand shooting partner on that Third Defensive Pair Alec. Martinez we talked about him. Scoring the overtime game winners already, but in this series averages fourteen minutes and twenty four seconds, and even in that game seven, I think only played thirteen thirteen minutes and eighteen seconds. The depth on this team, though with limited ice time would time and time again. Come up huge. I have said on obviously I am a fan. I claim no objectivity and I'm prone to hyperbole, but I've claimed that Alec Martinez and Matt Green were by far the best third pair as far as defensive pairings. Go on any team during that stretch Jim am I? Too Far off base with that assessment. I think that the series against the Blackhawks. I think it was very important. Alec Martinez was able to bring the skill set that he had which was again mobility. I think that was very important. In in that type of a series, I think the style of the to the Kings is to think I lock it down. Play tidied, but then if you still have that ability to skate like Alec Martinez, then that just makes that much. Make your team more dangerous. Because again you can win in different fashions, and I think that that's what the King Show and Alec might be one of the best examples of that. Will just picking the right time, right? Now that I'm thinking back with Martinez. Just, going on to win the COP and over to, he just seemed to pick the right time. He never forced things, but his skating ability I. Remember when he joined the Kings first. Training camp. And I, don't think he really made the team out of camp. Apologize for that, but it was one of those where I was asked about him and I said Oh. He hoping he's this isn't Nhl player because he skates so well, you can get on the around the Ice Oh well and that to me. Is something that. You know. It comes to the forefront in a game against the hawks were sometimes. You're going to have to use that skating ability not only to score, but to defend to. And and in the and in the end as it turns out, we all know what he did to win. The the second Stanley Cup with over overtime. All can remember, and I know everybody who saw the game remembers the play. It starts in the Kings on with Alec Martinez, and he makes that outlet pass, and as soon as he made that pass I. Don't know if. I'd have to watch the clip again. I don't know if the Rangers were in the middle of a change, but when Martinez gave up the Puck to I think it was Clifford. On right wing at center ice there was so much room between Martinez who had gotten rid of the puck inside his Blue Line to the rangers, Blue Line. I said to my after he made the pass, said go, Alex, go go, and he did thankfully, and I'm not saying this because this is the way it happened, but this is what we were seeing an Alec Martinez and his game, and you know drew doughty makes the play drew. Probably does the same thing. Slava Voinov? Guys that had the skill set and could skate and could be a one man break breakout so to speak, but when he got rid of that talk, you know he went that's part of his game and obviously it turned into an iconic goal for not only Martinez, but for the Kings in the NHL but yeah. You know the ability to to. join the play as a defenseman and make things happen and have the confidence your offensive abilities. Just a another another positive another plus for the Kings team in the way they had built the. Watching watching the game goal in game seven against the hawks. I'm it. I attend most of the practices. and. The, defense do that drill where they get a pass. They walk the line a little bit change directions because of the shot-blocking. Nowadays, you always have to do something to open up a lane. aflutter shot and I know goes off Nicoletti, but before he takes his shot, it's. It's something that you know what these is work on that every single day. To the point that when you get it again, you don't have to think about it in i. think that's just what happened allocated. He takes one step one way. goes back. The other June just throws it through so. Just, a little fundamental fundamentally work on every single day, but you know seven game series you have to go extra time, and that little fundamental comes through, and you have to give Alica is marks because he realized who him the PUCK. Don't don't shoot it. Just in Williams is playing a game seven. He gave me the PUCK. And if I shoot, it will probably go in. So it was such A. No it was it was a king's goal. It was neutral zone. It was just a dump in a soft little dumping Williams. Just push ahead himself. Jarret stoll gets to the area doesn't touch the PUCK, but he takes a man in the man takes him out. And it's just a fundamentally sound for check. I man pressure Williams follows up. He gets loose puck and he has time to make a decision. So again, just a little fundamentals, nothing crazy nothing wild like the rest of the series because he had some beautiful great highly skilled goals. This one was just by the book. Jim last week heading into this episode, you describe this as the greatest playoff series you've ever seen. I'm curious looking down. The roster's whether it's Patrick. Kane Jonathan Saves Patrick Sharp Duncan Keith Michael Honn Zeus. Marian hosa Andrzej Kot Petar Jeff Carter drew doughty etc, etc, etc. Does this series rise to the level of some of the great international competitions or the talent level just not quite high enough. I think it's just a two teams that would just reading a comment by Dustin Brown about got series how? Know each team. Through their success points there in the two thousand ten, starting with the Hawks, then they finish off three kings get to. Just how? They. They both believed in their identity. The identities were different. and. But I just a great example of how if you stick to that? If you believe in your identity as a group and you don't waiver from it, you do have a better chance to be successful. and. The franchisers deserve credit for just putting those groups together. I mean a little bit of everything, just a little bit of everything. But yet, you know. I'm I was just going back in a few things I mean it was picked by numerous people at least as the series of the decking. These again this is not just kings fans here. Kings media, people these aren't kings announcers. These are independent people. So I'm just thinking back, we know in my lifetime. The ones I've seen this one did come to the forefront and again. Not No better example in game seven. The hawks taking to nothing lead. The kings tied up to. Twelve seconds later. Patrick Sharp knuckleball could have been the killer? He's coming up. He picks off a puck. It's bad angle shot, but it knuckles at. The hawks back up again. Gathering ends up scoring it. In the third know how many of those big goals that he's scored, right? Just so many things in this series where? The back and forth change of leads. No one ever felt secure. I just know emission very melrose earlier, no question that series was the most physical series I've seen. Because, it was a little bit. Back then the players were a little bit more nasty. But a I'm just GonNa put it all together. This one goes to the top. Yeah and and like I said at the outset The reason I picked this one over the Toronto. Series of one of the reasons one of many. And we've talked about a lot of those reasons in the last forty minutes or so back in ninety three ETA kings team with Gretzky yet. Atrocity Millette by Doug Gilmour neither team had won a Stanley Cup in recent memory. Kings never won obviously Toronto not until nineteen sixty seven, but this series in two thousand fourteen was between two of the best teams. Everybody knew it not only that season, but you know foxy talked about you know series of the. I mean you could argue these were the two best teams. In the western conference in the decade a Chicago three. The kings went to It was just everything was falling into place to to make it for for great theater. It made a great to watch and good for the players I mean they came through? They made it exciting for everybody by by taking it to the full seven games. Hopefully, we won't have to wait another fifteen years. Obviously, there was what twenty one seasons between ninety, three and two thousand fourteen. Hopefully, we don't have to wait twenty years after two thousand fourteen for another fantastic kings conference final series. Next time three of us get together to talk about this. We'll be talking about. Which series was better, the two thousand and twelve Stanley Cup final against. The New Jersey devils, or the two thousand fourteen Stanley Cup win over the New York Rangers I'm going to go ahead and put you guys on the SPA. Jim which way are you leaning today? Well, that's very very simple for me. Very simple. I'm leading towards twelve. Because it was the first. How `bout you nick. Yeah No question the first one is always special, and you look at the way they did. The ten straight road wins up three zero. In every series you beat the first second and third seeded to get to the final and yeah I I mean. Because! It was number one. It's always going to be special for me. All Right, we'll tuning kings fans a few weeks from now as we crown a winner of the fourth round of the greatest playoff series in kings history, but for now I think it's pretty clear that the two thousand fourteen seven game win or seven game series against the Chicago Blackhawks. If, Jim faulk says it's the greatest playoff series in hockey history i. think it's gotTa be the greatest playoff round in kings history, but thank you, Jim as always for joining us, thanks. I will clarify is the best I've ever seen fairness. Stay when I'll still go. All, right well I'm going. Thanks to you. Nick for joining us as well Yep anytime a lot of fun to look forward to the next episode. All right thanks for listening king. We'll talk to you soon.

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10 Questions For The Rest of 2020

All The Kings Men

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10 Questions For The Rest of 2020

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit A. Kings Dot com slash podcast for sure You know the the main we've had with the players along the same line as the League is GonNa try to do everything they can resume. You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome backings fans. I am Jesse Cohen. This is all the king's men presented by Manscaping on official partner of the La Kings. You can get twenty percent off plus free shipping with the Code Kingsman at MANSCAPING DOT COM. That's MANSCAPING DOT COM and use the code king's men now. There's been a lot of talk lately. About how the NHL might resume its postponed season or when the NHL entry draft might happen. The reality is we don't have any answers for you right now but since we always say happiness is measured by expectations we thought we could at least lay out some of the issues facing the kings and every other NHL Franchise. I want to stress again. We do not have the answers but we hope to shed some light on some conditions and concerns. The may not get talked about as much and now these are complicated issues and resolving them won't be joining me now Robin Dutton from the La Kings. Are you doing that and doing well hanging in there? So there's always a ton of questions that Kings Fans WanNa the answer to a ton of questions facing any NHL franchise or any professional sports team really on any date in the calendar. But obviously there's been a lot of talk recently about the draft about the season concluding so we figured we would boil it all down ten questions facing the La Kings right now. We are recording on May tenth. So keep that in. Mind when you're listening to this does. Let's start off with number one. The big question will the season conclude. This is the biggest one that kings fans in any hockey fans are kind of waiting to see what happens. It's a situation that so fluid changes if not hourly daily and so I think you know we're all just waiting to see what happens Stephanie. A lot of people involved in the decision whether it's the NHL executives the NHLPA players are in the return to play committee so Just waiting to see what happens but I think we all realized there's hundreds of millions of dollars here at stake can. We're all hopeful that there's going to be more hockey. But if I had to guess I would say we're going directly into the twenty four team playoffs. Yeah that's certainly where the conversation over the last two or three days has been leaning heavily and I can see this from a number of different angles as a fan of a team. That isn't eligible for the playoffs. My attitude is sort of whatever it right. Finish it. Don't finish it. I don't care I just WANNA be able to talk about my team again and all of this debate about whether or not they should reese. You know restarted or what. The playoffs looks like Okay I'm curious because I'm hockey fan but I you know I don't want to kings to come back and play whatever. It is twelve games left on the schedule and then be done right. Yeah and they they realize there's no point for those teams who aren't GonNa make it. So why have these guys are traveling from Europe and Canada and whatnot? So it's just a kind of creating more of a simplified process but the flip side of that is I understand having some tiny view of the business side of it. I get that rightsholders Fox sports west in all the regional sports networks that most of which are owned by Sinclair their contracts that say that a certain number of games have to be played in order for the money to be paid and if and the the League has not yet reached that number of games. So you would hope that the regional sports networks would understand that it's in their best interest to cut the League and the team some slack in this case and pay them to the full amount or pro rated amount whatever it is and not just stiff them on the entire bill because they are rights-holders and partners and moving forward you'd hope to maintain a positive relationship so I understand the impulse from a business standpoint and from a human perspective I have sympathy with the players like drew doughty. Who says you know? I don't know what the point of back would be. But on the flip side you are paid some of these players you know close to ten million dollars if not more than that a season and it's sort like well you know one of the one of the payoffs are or trades. You make in getting this sort of money is occasionally what might be considered unreasonable working conditions. You know you have to work on holidays. You have to be away from your family if the if the league restarts. You'RE NOT HAPPY WITHOUT GOES. I mean I don't know I like I said I see it from a fan perspective human perspective and from the business perspective and I honestly don't know what the right answer is. Yeah I mean I think from the players side you have to like. You said be sympathetic understanding to them. Obviously this is their job and whatnot. But you'd hate to see someone like drew comeback for a handful of games. Get an injury. Because he hasn't been training properly or something like that that would take away from his performance next season or when it really counts. So there's that side of it too. It's you know there's more players involved. There's also more of a likely chance that someone contracts the disease I think they would not want to Prevent the playoffs from happening just by finishing the season I think that's also something that's on their mind but the players have definitely tomorrow's mcdavid. Shy Fleet Van Dyke and Hanes. The are part of that comedian. They've made it very clear that they don't want to be away from their families for months at a time. And if they're gonNA finish out the season in play the play Austin it needs to be in a way that they can have access to their wife and kids and not be isolated in such extreme measures and there was an informal players. Poll that showed I think maybe twenty five percent of the players weren't interested in the season concluding and a certain percentage were interested in some limited former playoffs and then another percentage. We're interested in. Were insistent that the Stanley Cup be awarded in some fashion? And I think it matched pretty evenly with the number of teams. That are in contention and I just wanted to see a a another study that showed that but that opens up the next question. Which is how will free agency. Works work this season. Even if the season does conclude at this point we're on May Tenth Free Agency is set. The the the League's fiscal years July first to July first so not just players but coaches scouts tons of people's contracts are set to expire July. First at if the season is still gonNA happening right if they do some sort of playoffs. This twenty four team playoff matchup. That they're talking about or even if it's a more traditional sixteen team. It's likely that it will continue beyond July. I if it doesn't even start before July first so what happens to all those players what happens to all those contracts players. I don't think technically are even paid for the playoffs. I believe their contracts only cover Regular Season Games. And then there's a bonus paid for playoff performances but of course. Those playoffs happened before July first. So that will have to be negotiated and again. I. I don't know what the right answer is on how to handle that. Yeah I think this is actually not really a lot of attention because of the draft in the season those are the bigger pieces but yeah this definitely will likely have to be pushed back in. I feel for those players who you know. Maybe have a rental property or archer where they're going to be staying next year and so they're just kind of in limbo even more so so. Luckily we don't have too many Louis for horrigan Hutton Wagner Walker Ryan and laugh are the free agents for the king so we'll have to see what happens but I imagine that news will roll out shortly after all the other decisions are made. Yeah we talked recently on the podcast. About how the Kings were uniquely positioned during the last lockout to benefit from the rules changes and the financial landscape shifting and it helped them win the Stanley Cup twice. I feel like they're in a similar situation now and they were even before the all of this happened in all of these new contingencies. We're GONNA have to be put in place like you mentioned. They only have a handful of agents anyway and Walker and Wagner and those guys are restricted free agents. I think Lewis at Horgan Hutton and Ryan or the only unrestricted free agents. And I think at this point most fans were sort of on the fence to whether or not any of those guys are brought back from the USA. And I don't think there's any way they let Walker go and I don't see any reason to let Wagner in love go given that. They control their rights by this again. Just benefits the Kings. I can't imagine there's a strong free agency market given that most teams probably won't know what how secure their finances aren't moving forward or what the salary cap is going to be. And we'll get that next so this is an ice figure. This will probably be a buyer's market when free agency does Eventually happen And I wouldn't be surprised. We've always mentioned. We need a another defenseman and so I wouldn't be surprised if but Rob Blake takes advantage of that but it's just hard to say at this point to what will happen with he does. I. I think it certainly is in his favor but that does bring us to the next question which is number three and that is will the salary. Cap goes down. We know for a fact that revenue will go down and the CAP is tied to hockey related revenue. That's business but we don't know if the League and the Players Association whatever other powers participate in this debate will will agree that the cap should go down. I mean one could argue. It's not fair to the players that they should suddenly be hurt by this. You know force measure that nobody could foresee coming on the other hand if the league's not making a ton of money I'm not entirely sure. Why the labor force should get an undue percentage of just because of a deal negotiated without taking into account this sort of thing. This is another question. I don't honestly know what the answer is. I could go either way on it. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it does go down The losses are going to be shared across all areas of the organization and We were just understand the revenue losses. But they are a pretty major in their implications will be felt. I feel for at least the next season if not the next few and of course this. This question ties into the fourth question. The next one which will there be compliance buyouts and one of the reasons I have read. That people are arguing for compliance. Buyouts is if the if the salary cap does go down significantly to reflect loss of revenue as a result of the season not being concluded playoff tickets not being sold because if they do have playoffs it is most likely to be done without fans and the National Hockey League is a league. That relies more heavily on ticket sales than the other professional sports. In North America Football Basketball Baseball all have much more lucrative television deals so hockey relies on ticket sales so the revenue will go down which puts teams in a crunch to fill out a roster and compliance buyouts for those who are unfamiliar with the term simply means that teams are allowed to buy out players without that contract counting towards their salary cap. Moving forward the way it currently works if you buy a player for example the Kings bought out Yulia Kovalchuk next season. His contract still counts on their salary cap even though they're not paying him the money or they've already paid him the money. There is another issue. I think that will lead to their being compliance buyouts. That is the strength of the Canadian dollar and I'm always sort of surprised that this issue isn't talked about more now. I am not a global finance expert. So take everything. I'm saying with a huge grain of salt but Canadian teams pay their players in their front office staff in Canadian dollars or sorry pay them in American dollars. They pay the players in American dollars but they charge their fans in Canadian dollars. So if the price of the Canadian dollar drops to a certain amount than those Canadian teams are losing money because they can't raise the price of tickets and merchandise and everything. They can't constantly alter that price to to match. The fluctuating strength of the Canadian dollar strength. Canadian dollar is tied incredibly to the price of oil because oil is a huge part of the Canadian economy and the price of oil has dropped. Because nobody's driving anywhere or flying anywhere or anything like that because of all the lockdown. So I've pulled up the strength of the Canadian dollar to the US to go there. I'm not going to get too deep into it. I'm just saying it's it's it's all over the place and there's nothing that says to me that it's GonNa get crazy but it could and that to me is just one more way that I think we will probably compliance buyouts i. I'm honestly very impressed. Jesse how much you know about Canadian finance like I was just kind of proud. They're sitting with well. I care a lot about hockey and so that grab holes the next question. We're going to ask and I don't think this probably affects the kings much. But I know that there are other teams like Edmonton and Calgary with the Neal Lucci trade and it has to do with. How many goals people score and how many games players by but a lot of the trades that happened over. The course of the season are conditional on things that can't happen and so they'll have to negotiate. Those are those are completed. Yeah I mean you look at even though Taylor Hall trade giving up a number one pick and now you know. Was it all for nothing you know. I think all of those different things are up in the air. I don't think the Kings are having to negotiate any of their deals. Well it's I mean the one that leaves out to me the most or the Clifford leave so Clifford and it's a Foley deals Clifford one because it was if new leafs. Excuse me if the least make the playoffs and Jack Campbell. Gets six wins so presumably. The leafs are GonNa make the playoffs assuming that there is a playoffs But Jack Campbell didn't get his six wins because that didn't happen And so I mean. I don't know like does that can't like do we. Let's say Clifford doesn't resign with leafs? Which is the desire to get out of jail free card there but at least make the playoffs and Campbell isn't even given an opportunity to get those six wins like the Kings get the second round. Pick anyway yeah. I think there's fifteen trades right now. Conditions tied to them and most of them. I think are pretty easy fixes that the League can figure out. But there's a few that are higher stakes and in IT'S GONNA. I don't envy those people who have to make those negotiations make those decisions but yeah there's definitely some hard decisions in a teams coming together in agreeing upon maybe new conditions. Or you know new terms and imagine if you're the Vancouver canucks and traded Tyler Madden for Tyler Toffoli. An unrestricted free agent. And what if Vancouver doesn't even get an opportunity to compete for a Stanley Cup? They've given away a really valuable prospect for nothing essentially and I could. I can completely understand from their perspective demanding that the trade be nullified or or at least you know they maybe they get Tim Schaller back. Or maybe they don't give picks maybe it's just madman for to fully end from from King's perspective. I could completely say understand them saying like no. You made the trade and it didn't work out for you. You could have missed the playoffs anyway. The fact that you miss the playoffs because of a pandemic is neither here nor there I'd again I don't like you said I don't envy the people who have to negotiate these links on one side like you said businesses business and that was the deal that was made but no one. No one can predict it. All these things happen and so that was last to police last time using Vancouver. Oh definitely unfortunate for them for them so then that brings us to the the biggest sort of current hot debate going on and that is when will the draft happens. Yeah I think these questions are all tied together When will the draft happen? I think is very closely a determined by what happens with the rest of the season and I regardless of whether the draft is done in June or in the fall it's going to be done virtually Obviously the League is very in favor of the draft happening. In June they saw the. Nfl was very successful. They had thirty seven percent increase in viewers on their first night. And so they see a lot of you know financial rewards in terms of having it there. Everyone's at home you know hockey's back on TV and so that could be great for the League. Revenue is but I think a lot of team general managers and teams are concerned about just like we've talked about the fairness of it and who. How does the lottery work? We'll trades be able to happen. There are so many question marks and unknowns there that I think it's it's hard to move forward with just the finances in mind the answer to this one. When will the draft happen will sort of involve? I think a lot of the issues that we raised in the first five. So why don't we look at? Who's in favor of an early draft? That happens before or concurrent with a playoff restart obviously the league rightsholders NBC. Rogers anyone who's going to be airing the draft. You're going to be in favor of it. I would be surprised if prospects weren't favored Weren't in favor of it You know. Obviously they're anxious to figure out where they're going to be playing next year. It'll give them more time to develop and kind of connect with their team even if it is Remotely so I think those are kind of the key members would be in of the June draft those non favor like we mentioned probably a lot of NHL team executives would prefer pushback until they have a decision made with the season and see how things go in terms of You can't have someone winning the draft lottery and winning the Stanley Cup. Yeah I mean to me there are so many I of finally come around and just being against the draft in general and I know that it has to happen this year and I think probably next year just because of all the conditional picks that have been put on the books. And you can't really just nullify all of those things but I hope even though I know it won't happen. I hope that this is the end of the draft at all but I gotta say I'm not I don't necessarily side with the League on this. When usually I understand when the league makes a decision that Sir protects its business like for example not sending players to the Olympics. I get that I understand it right whether or not I agree with it. I understand that if you pay a player millions of dollars you don't want him to go play in an international tournament you know with the highest level of competition where he get hurt and and cost you your investment but in this case I know the NFL draft was hugely popular and tons of people watched it in got great ratings. I just don't think the NHL draft will be as equally popular and so to use that as the biggest reason to push forward for it. I don't think I agree with that. Yeah I get that. I mean that fell obviously owns a lot of the sports market in the US automatically. I think people are already engaged in that sport I think not the draft but if we were to play hockey in the summer when other sports weren't going on. I think that would definitely grow hockey in general as a sport in the US and around the world just because it has airtime and people are tuning in. Who may not usually do that? So I think it definitely has the opportunity for the game but I wouldn't force a draft just for that one reason but I think in terms of the King's like Rob Blake has said he's he's comfortable either way. Nothing will be the same regardless Because I think on the digital side will be really interesting seeing how we are broadcasting the game and connecting with our prospects and seeing what kind of fun things we can do to interact with fans at home but If if the if the league does go directly into the playoff tournament the seven teams will be eligible and the kings are one of them to earn that first overall pick so. I think we're in a good spot regardless. Yeah well this goes back to what I said about. The kings being uniquely positioned to benefit from the landscape. Being shifting as it is in a moment right back to two thousand five and losing that season Yeah there's no way they're gonNA do a thirty one team draft lottery. That's not going to happen. Whatever teams don't make the playoffs whether it's seven or fifteen those will be the teams that will have the option. I've heard rumors they're going to do like the old system where only one person wins and you can only move up as many as four spots and so yeah from the king's perspective they're probably going to get a top five top seven. Pick something like that. It's a deep deep draft within the first ten or so spots. So yeah whether they get offering near or drysdale or by field or any of these other names that I see From the King's Perspective Yeah Rob. Blake is is right. He probably doesn't change much for them. They'll get whatever pick they get. It's out of their control anyway And so the only real difference I think from King's respective is in past years you'd have the draft and then you'd immediately have development camp prospects camper I'm blanking on what it was called. But y'all all the guys from draft would fly straight. L. Gun and that obviously won't happen now. I'm sure they'll be on board at in a different unique way and they'll start training over the summer and connect with our different resources. And then I'm sure development camp will happen in the fall and be pushed back like everything else I guess. I sort of accidentally bled directly into the seventh question which was which pick. Will the Kings get that but The kings currently sit in twenty eighth place fourth overall. If there was no lottery but again there probably will be. What do you think of the twenty four team playoff format that they're proposing? I'm into it I mean. I don't think there's a reason to bring our guys. Obviously Rob Blake has talked about it and said whether it happens or not. We'll find positives in that situation and Either way it's okay but I think let's move on playoffs. Let's award the Stanley Cup. That's the biggest priority and then from here let's use those other seven teams in in one of them will win the draft lottery and the rest of them will still get pretty great picks. So I'm okay with it I I think I am. I mean at this point. I just want as much hockey as can be played safely and reasonably so if it's a best of three play in round and then a normal thing where it's even if it was like a single elimination first round best of three second round best of five third round in seven. Game Finals series. I just I guess I kind of do WanNa see as much hockey as humanly possible. Although as in poor taste is this is my preseason prediction that the Golden Knights would miss the playoffs Currently true I just can't imagine they're talking about playing different host cities in having three games per day like people's quarantine is about to get way better. They can watch you know a game at came at noon. Nubia stars it for. It's it's pretty fun. I think the thinking about that type of opportunity I had. I had for some reason. I had resisted binge-watching anything with the exception of Tiger King during the first Four to five weeks of this and then just this past week. I've decided okay. Well I guess I'll do it and I watched all of you. For example both both seasons and yet the day goes by a lot faster. I'm sort of kicking myself for not having the thought of it earlier. So yeah if I can watch hockey games day And I think that's putting yourself to better use than bench watching on Netflix. You know it's kind of leisure and You can get your family around and everyone can get involved. I think I think it'd be pretty fun. I'd be excited about it. What am I guess the? Ufc had a fight last night or a couple of fights last night. And I think it was Greg Shinsegi from ESPN remarked. That he was surprised that it was so much better than Professional wrestling or maybe it was bill. Simmons I don't remember remarked that they were shocked that a UFC fight with no fans was so much better than a wwe event with no fans. And I thought well that's just silly. Usc is real competition. I don't the fans might add something to it. When a great play happens in the fans goes nuts. But I'm really not watching sports for the fans so yeah. Three hockey gives a day would be great. Yeah it's interesting to think about. What other elements? We could be adding in if there aren't fans like do you. Add in the noise of fans when a goal is scored because it would kind of weird otherwise if it's silent or do you create different camera angles where you're down closer the ice and You know other in game elements. That might not happen. Like maybe it's virtual and you put up a green screen around the glass and do something like that. I've seen so many different ideas suggested. I think it could be really cool for teams to get creative and same with the different broadcast partners to get creative ways that to liberate unique experience to those at home if they do the bubble city idea the people suggested and for those who are unaware that a bunch of teams would all meet in one city. Whether it's you know for example in the Pacific Division maybe it'd be Vegas just because there's hotels and infrastructure set up to host a dozens if not hundreds of people if there are multiple teams in one area and if there are multiple games per day I would really love to see the players who aren't playing in the game in the stands and I would really love to see their reactions You know like I really want to see how drew doughty. Obviously the Kings wouldn't be participating in the playoffs but I'd really want to see how drew doughty or PK. Sue Ban or matthew can shock or you know one of the guys with personality in the stands watching another team reacting to a great play like to me. That would be facet. Yeah absolutely be real interesting. I just wonder if they are all staying in the same place if everyone's going to quarantine if they're all getting together in the hotel hallways like what's going on. I guess depending on how tight you make the bubble they should hypothetically be allowed to Co. mingle right can actually control. Who Comes in and who comes out. But that's for far far smarter people than me to worry about and we're GONNA touch on two more questions that have nothing to do with the shutdown or the you know strange position the League finds itself in before circling back to one more and the next one is And this only came up because of the Blake Conference call earlier this week and that is when Will Jeff Carter be healthy and I mean unfortunately unfortunately It's not for another few months. I think this pause is given a lot of injured players time to really Rehab and get better and rest up but at the same time. They don't have the same access to the facilities in so I think with Carter. Part of the issue is he needs to travel to see a specialist for on further treatment. And so obviously that can't be done right now. So he's just hanging tight and doing the best he can to take care of his injury but it definitely He'll be ready for next season. If if that's the way it goes but It would be nice for him if the season doesn't resume and he can just focus on getting back to one hundred percent. It's rare that I do a double take when I'm listening to a podcast or listening to anything. Because there's nothing due to double take to write your. It's in your ear buds but I was listening to the Rob Blake Conference call and somebody asked you know when with Jeff Carter healthy and I guess I just assumed that because the season was winding down and because they were so far out of a playoff spot that Jeff Carter was being held out of the line up more just sort of favor to him and also as a chance to get certain players into the lineup late in a season where they weren't gonNA make the playoffs. I didn't think it was serious. I just assumed it was like all right. Well you gotta get young players playing time. This is a convenient way. And you know he's an older player and he's a veteran and he's had injury so all right give the guy a break. Cut Him some slack. But then Rob Lake's answer. Which was that? It wouldn't be for at least a few months. I just I just really caught me by surprise. I didn't realize it was that serious. Yeah no it's definitely interesting. I just hope he is getting healthy. And we'll be back out there in no time and that sort of raises question number nine or at least half of it. Which Have Gable. Artie and Mike. Anderson made the team for good Gave Lardy obviously joining the lineup As a result of Carter not being in it and Mike Anderson called up late and both of them looked every bit the NHL player to me. I wouldn't be surprised that the next time the LA kings player regular season game. Both of those guys aren't in the lineup. Yeah I mean I think that's the plan. That's the hope then. Obviously no spot is ever guaranteed. So that's always up to them to come in earnest camp and show the stuff that they've been working hard for the summer to be. Nhl Player fulltime. But I think the reason that we traded away so many veterans and are building towards future so that these young guys can come in and and that that experience earned their role. And so yeah. I'm hopeful that already Anderson will be on the team for good next season and I think they have lots of other young guns in the works coming up to join them as well. You know you've killed quake to buy Mikey others a bunch of strong rain players. I think are close to making that jump. And they're all gonna be fighting for that spot without getting too deep in the weeds will start on defense. Just because there's fewer players Dowdy Roy Walker are playing right. I mean and at one of the other things that popped out to me From the ROB late conference call and it's part of the reason. I never really paid too much attention to prospects or prospect. Talk but Robert was talking about Matt Roy and he said that last season they sort of put him in the lineup. Just just on a on a lark right like they were planning on putting clay again but then he broke his foot and then they sort of put Roy in because he played well in the L. and they're just kind of curious but the season was dead and you know Blah Blah Blah and they put him in and then he said they never took him out of the lineup. Now is it like he just he. He had a weird opportunity that came out of nowhere and he seized it and now he's in NHL Player now. He's part of the lineup and he's one of the most reliable defenseman they have and he again reference the first two or three games of the season. Which frankly I'm getting kind of tired because you wouldn't say oh we'll this player had to really bad games. January. You just wouldn't think about it. They just ran away gave but because it was the first three games of the season because it was on the road because he got undressed on one or two plays. Everybody talks about Matt. Roy Now has to do the well. He had a couple of bad games at the beginning of the season but the coach had a talk with them and block. Can we not just say he had a great season anyway? The point is Douty Walker and Roy are the right side all shoot right. They're great they're fine. They're stable. Bjorn foot like you mentioned Clay Anderson. Now the question is do they stock the left side of the Blue Line exclusively with rookies and young prospects or do they bring back? Ben Hutton or go outside of the team and bring in a restricted Sorry a a UFO. They signed McDermott to a contract extension. Presumably he's on the team I mean Mike Anderson could very easily just have a spot. Plus there's coal halts I mean there's just a ton of guys Yeah absolutely I mean I think like you said touched on the Roy success like he was drafted seventh round hundred fourth overall. Like you just don't know how these players are gonNA develop it when they have that opportunity if they're gonNA step up and be consistent in what in what you need at the time. So yeah we definitely have a big prospect pool. That's really exciting. And so just depends if those guys that we pulled from. I wouldn't be surprised if we did. Sign another Veteran defenseman just for experience back there but we definitely have a lot of great exciting upcoming prospects regardless and that brings us to the tenth question. Which is a combination of what you just mentioned about the Great Prospect Pool and the situation that the league finds itself in that is and this is a really. This is probably the question that distresses me the most stress I can just and that is will there be an AHL season at all in two thousand twenty twenty twenty one. Yeah I I have a very hard time delivering this news. Don't shoot them but I do not believe we're going to be seeing H. L. Hockey next year. I think that like everything in the world is impacted in that includes the junior hockey Oh L. Whol NCWA like all of these different prospect leagues are being affected the H. L. unfortunately is very ticket sales focused in Majority of their revenue will not be there. They're playing without fans so for a lot of teams they're owned by individuals who can't take that type of revenue loss for us. Were very lucky to be under the AG umbrella. And so I think it would be a little bit easier but again I think the season for this season has gone and for twenty twenty two twenty twenty one as well. Yeah I mean the obviously the AHL doesn't have a television deal obviously. There's not a lot of clamoring for you know. Ways to consume their games that would generate lot of revenue. And like. You said if you can't have fans in the building that sort of it and it's not just the Ahl excuse me There's also the B. E. C. H. L. USA S. H. L. All the Independent Leagues and even the junior teams right don't generate revenue. I just want to read you. Real quick. What the salary caps structure for the H. L. Now this information is from the twenty eighteen nineteen season so it's a little out of date but not too much. Would you care to guess? What the weekly Sal in. Its weekly by the way with the weekly salary. Gap is for an Ach L. team in the two thousand eighteen. Nineteen season this. I have no idea. I know those guys don't make any money. They make like a couple of hundred bucks a week. I think it's thirteen thousand dollars per week for a for a full roster. It's insane now. One caveat of that if a guy has an AHL contract his AHL team will pay him. The sheltie doesn't have to worry about it. But that's how low the salary cap is and the salary floor is night. What was nine thousand? Eight hundred fifty. I mean I don't think there's going to be AHL season. I don't think there's going to be an E. C. H. L. seasoned. I sincerely doubt there will be. Nc double hockey played in the same fashion that it was if college campuses. Don't open up. You're not getting an NC double A. season Junior teams are just as financially dependent on fans as other minor league. Hockey may have to completely restructure. Its entire non. Nhl North American playing format. Yeah absolutely I mean I think it you start thinking about not only all those different leagues you mentioned even our Asia. Outsiders who rely on call up quite often. They don't have a place to play. Like where are developing guys playing? Is it the Kings having a big roster? Maybe like a practice training group. I I don't know what that looks like but it definitely again has so many different implications there so many different factors involved that it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I mean you mentioned in the notes that we sort of sent back and forth each other before this episode Coal Halt Tyler Madden. Alex Turcott all signed entry. Level contracts. Turcott was set to join the rain March. Twelfth right right is the season was postponed. Those guys don't have an option but to play on the NHL team. I mean there could be guys who lose their NHL jobs you know because teams need to find a way if the kings need to find a place for coal halts madden and Turcott to play next season and it's more valuable to them to have those players in a lineup and playing regardless of the level of competition that could impact three other players that the kings don't sign or don't keep in the lineup because there because it's more valuable to them moving forward to have prospects in every team is going to have to juggle that decision right a team. That's a cup. Contender may be more comfortable with their top prospect sitting out a season where his teams like the Kings that aren't cup contenders right now. Will maybe those veterans. Maybe they make a decision to keep a prospect laden roster over. I mean it's just GonNa every team is going to have to make that that decision and and again. I don't envy the people who have to make those decisions now and I think the trajectory for a lot of teams whether they were on their way to AQAP for whether they're rebuilding a situation like US everyone kind of gets out this even playing field a little bit with everything getting shaking up. You know it definitely will throw some kinks in a different a few different teams plan. So I'm definitely very curious to see what happens. I think as as are those prospects. I'm sure to record is at home. Know Itching to get back out there and wanting to to join the team right away but like everyone were just being patient in. Hopefully it all works out. Yeah and I know the fans are Are Are Itchy and ready to watch hockey. So hopefully there's some sort of conclusion to this. Hopefully there is some sort of news to talk about but Robin I wanNA thank you very much for joining me. Sorry dot so. I should say dots anytime. I'm trying to try to remember to call you debts. It's okay whatever. Works Penny. Yeah hopefully. We're all watching hockey again soon. Will catch up next week nuts while hope you enjoyed those questions at one of the hazards of podcasting is it. Your conversations can quickly become irrelevant to or obselete cinch. According that conversation on Sunday the AHL officially cancelled the remainder of season possibility. We neglected to mention is that the NHL could see a drastic expansion of rosters to accommodate a lack of options for H. L. Prospects. That don't have anywhere else to play and as I said at the outset. We don't know what decisions will be made. But I wanted to give you a chance to get about some of those prospects. So I'm turning it over to Jackson Bonski and Ryan Gold Shirt for segment of trading jabs re recorded about ten days ago. Nobody saying nothing fire. There's a hockey expert from Minnesota. Oh boy and a below average comedian from Chicago. Dylan's stripes. They met in college and now they have a podcast with the La Kings makes sense right. This is trading jabs. What's up kings fans? Welcome back to another segment of trading jabs on this segment. We're going to cover a little bit of the prospects call. That happened earlier. This week It was moderated and hosted by Alex House. The play by play for the Kings Ryan Co host here of trading. We've got three takeaways each. I'm interested to see you took away from this as someone. Who's not necessarily a diehard kings fan but obviously is in love with the game of hockey the Kings Future's bright and It's GonNa be interesting to see where you go with this. Leave it to you to start. Okay yeah I mean I guess. I don't really know every detail about these people's careers but just their personalities. I kinda seemed like they'd be good locker room guys. They they had three different. Personalities was funny So they talked to. Alex caught to coat Turkey. Turcott WHO's a Wisconsin? Stud they talked to Cole Holtz. Who is the DEFENSEMAN ON PENN STATE? Who's also Wisconsin stood Yeah from Wisconsin from Wisconsin and then they talk to Madden who was part of the? It's a fully trade and he's living in Florida right now. So three American players first of all interesting but they all had different personalities. That was pretty cool so Turcott was like he seems like a potential team leader. Honestly he's got this great personality fun. Talk like was eager to talk. Had good opinions to say Colts really quiet defensemen. Very quiet but seems kind of like an enforcer to me I don't know did you pick up on that Yeah I mean. I guess I'll start with number three here with Coal Holtz. He's the guy who I think And it was described in the The call that they had in terms of him being very simple on the ice I agree with the takeaway that he was quiet. Maybe a little. Bit of an enforcer but the one thing that I kind of gain out of the conversation that he had was his ability to likely fill the void of Alec Martinez when he was traded away. Just because if you look a little bit of his game you know you can see his ability. Abilities be simple as he was the first one to say Make the first breakout pass. Be Able to do the simple things You know he seems like the Guy who played his best game. If you don't hear about them on the broadcast someone who just does job you know digs the puck out of the corners and at the end of the day you know ends up with a plus two and you know you never heard of him just because that's the type of game he plays so he'd seems like a smart player. He seems extremely intelligent. I think Staying I believe it was three years At Penn State Really worked out for him as he ended up as a second team all American and actually another really big takeaway is. His coach described him as being an incredibly low maintenance player. That always helps in the locker room. Yeah mean that's such a relief to know like he is just going to do his job. Do it well. And he's not gonNA he'll he'll get along with everyone so that is going to be awesome for the kings and then madden were. He got the story about his getting traded. And how surprised? He was and he was excited. Obviously but he seemed like a good guy too. I don't know you can't really is can't really tell who these guys really are in the zoom calls. They just look like a fifteen year. Old Like Streamers. They say thank you kids. They're all twitches as you know. Yeah me follow me. He looks like me right now. He just has like this. He was just in a white empty room like the NHL Player. Like this is so funny but no he. Here's the good personality too. So I think that the Kings Kinda Got Lucky. They got okay. Well this is something. I do need to say there three American players and they all have Canadian accents. This keep happening. Well I think the Canadian accent kind of goes hand in hand with hockey players Yeah I think I pull it out just because being from Minnesota and you're just around them all the time so it kind of just slowly seeps in You know I don't have an answer for you. Unfortunately but that's I guess my I take my take on on your question. There was I was shocked. They're like Yama names. You Know Tyler Mad and I'm from Florida from one. His Dad his dad and this is my number two here his dad is John Madden Not the Monday night football John Madden. Nhl John Wants Three Stanley Cups from Ontario So that probably is where he gets it from. Obviously being Florida throws you off as you mentioned but the interesting thing with with tyler and his father will i. He's a helicopter parent. Apparently out. It'd be very clear about that Brought a serious note. I think it's going to pay dividends and it has already. You can tell that he knows the game in and out Being Coach's kid you know not only was John in the NHL for fifteen sixteen years. I think he's now head coach for the Cleveland Monsters or has been for the past three years. He was an assistant coach for Florida. I believe so. He's beyond his years when it comes to knowledge and his ability at the weight of roughly one hundred and fifty sixty pounds to be successful and put up more than a point game in college especially in The conference that he did being at northeastern It's oppressive and you could. Kinda tell just based on what he was talking about how he was talking about the game On the zoom call so It's going to be impressive to see what he is. I'm probably the most excited to see how he plays. Maybe just because he played a lot of you know type of game that I played a little feisty and very offensive oriented So that's going to be extremely fun to watch. And the good thing for him is. He's much more skill wise talented than his father And to be able to have the knowledge of what his dad was doing and why he was doing it is going to be extremely important for the you for his success in his career if he can you add more skill to what his father was able to do. Yeah and it. His mom was a gymnast. He says he's been like an athlete. Family forever so the king should be really excited about that guy. He seemed like he seems like a great guy who's going to be really athletic and really really knows the game. So yeah I mean I believe I know the Kings got a second round draft pick and mad and I don't recall if there was anything else on top of that trade but I I do know that man was a large piece to getting Getting rid of to fully not in terms of bye-bye but getting back Tyler Madden was a large part of what the Kings wanted in that trade solely because of the upside and The future that this kid has to be a true score and a true leader in a guy that really understands the game in and out Moving toward the end his. He said his dad is always talking about like making him practice workout. So he's like they're all staying sharp. That's that's the other thing. They said that they're all working out and staying sharp. Oh the cool thing I thought was co. Holtz is really good friends with the suitors. Yeah which is pretty cool. So you've been working out with the suitors at their house in Wisconsin. It sounds like I didn't know there from there but So He's been working out five days a week and he's going to be you know tiptop shape come quarantine end so. I thought that was pretty exciting. Yeah I mean it's an interesting thing because He mentioned that he family friends with them. And you know he's kind of follow the coattails of suitors game and at the same time you know works out with him so I think you're gonNA see a very professional mindset out of him. A mature mindset in terms of on the ice and off the ice with Cole So it's an exciting thing to see because You know not everyone at that. Age is mature enough for ready. It looks like you know based on how cold talks about the game. And how you see them working out right now in staying in shape that he's GonNa be ready to go probably WANNA be probably be one of the better or more ready players when it comes to development camp or training camp or whatever that next Time is when he steps on the Ice and Kings Jersey and you. Do you know the suitors yourself. I do know Ryan Ryan's a great guy extremely humble extremely low maintenance you know lot like Kohl's Kinda described. I think we're GONNA see a little bit of a Ryan Suter two point. Oh out of Holtz. Based on the way he's talked about his game and you know the time he spent a round Ryan Be No Ryan is a class act. He's An extremely underrated player in the way that we talk about Defensive in just because he's one of those guys like I mentioned that if he plays the right way you're never going to hear about him on the broadcast because he just shut someone down and doesn't need to do anything else. So yeah it'll be interesting. I'm excited to see if we get another Ryan suter two point. Oh because By all means Career so far has been spectacular. Isn't it kind of funny? That if you're if you're a great defense minute means nobody noticed you know right. It's well I mean nowadays the Norris Trophy is you know who's the flashiest defensemen but not always. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. But like it's definitely geared towards that based on the way that we've seen skill in the NHL develop in how much more offense is being produced or at least focused on In terms of the rules and the way the game has called played. So yeah I mean I. It's an interesting point because not every defenseman on I guess I'll reword this every defense been the best defenceman on your team isn't always the guy that puts up the most points in is the flashiest and the most skilled. Yeah exactly but it's hard to deny like when Carlson has an eight point season. You're like well. That's got to be the best defensive because he just go to eighty two points also. There's people like y'all Merson or drummer sin. Who Don't score that much. But they just breakdown plays all the time and they're blocking shots crazy. Ecole Holtz from what I know of him will probably be more of John. Larson suitor defensemen or player. Where he's just kind of filling his role rolling. Just doing exactly what is needed. And that Penn State team is on is like one of the Best Penn state teams. I've ever had. I just watched the game. Yep they're playing a game on TV. And I watched it. They're freaking amazing. So yeah I mean. Kings should be really excited about all three of these guys. Yeah I mean well it's interesting. You mentioned that because my biggest takeaway is just the confirmation that the king's future is extremely bright. You know not only is it. Just these three guys you know. Have the number one prospect pool in the NHL as noted by the athletic I mean look at this. You've got gave Vardi who already has made an impact in the NHL. He's just under a point a game through what eleven games. I believe Bjorn foot who has been highly talked upon About drew doughty of all people you know Kelly of who was one of the best goalscorer is in the believe in the. Oh L. Fog Amo- Campari Thomas. I mean the list goes on and on. It's like twenty three deep and for just these three people to be this impressive. And they're scattered all over the list. you know with. Turkey BEING NUMBER ONE. It just shows that the kings have you know done the right thing in terms of rebuilding on the fly a little bit in terms of you know still trying to be competitive but keep your roster attacked for when these kids already. You still have a core. That's a little bit older. That can help guide these players to greatness. Yeah it seems like a lot of teams are doing that right not to I would say the blackhawks are probably in the same position and did you notice what was on Turcott Wall? What was on his wall? Why don't you tell us Mr sure he had a Patrick Kane Jersey there we go island Lake Illinois guy but he also had a Copa Jersey and then his own Jersey his own Kings Jersey looked like or whatever it was. So what's what's your opinion on Let's say college guys or high school guys guys? Juniors that have their own Jersey on the wall Pretty cool if I had. If I was an athlete I would put my Jersey on the wall or not. I've never been good enough at anything to put it on the wall. So people get you a we'll get you a poster of yourself for a stand up or a movie when you're in one best podcast co host the coast to. I don't even think I'm that I don't think you could even give me that I don't know I think it's cool. You Know Putting Your Jersey on the wall that I that would be. I don't know. Did you do that and you put thirteen on the wall? I never had my own Jersey just because you know unfortunately is injured at sixteen and we didn't really have extra jerseys around That we could keep it was always one of those like return at the end of the year but there were a few it was more so like the heroes I always had like Pablo Dot Souk Jersey hanging on the wall and Gretzky Bob. Your and stuff like that so That was more where I laid. But at the same time they agree. Having Your Jersey up there is. It's neat especially when year able to not necessarily flaunt something but for sure be able to you know. Look at something that you're proud of. I just thought of something that I think I might have made a dump comment. It could be his dad's Jersey because his dad diddley. Yup could be so this whole conversation could have been for Nazi. Could he could be just putting up his dad's Jersey either way it's on the east proud of and regardless of whose Jersey is You know it's in the family and it's something that you know the Turcotte's obviously are gonNA have A lot of success in the blood line. That's for sure And we'll see where it goes but On that Note Ryan. You got anything else for this now. I think there are a bunch of cool guys. They all seemed down to earth and the sound good players as well. So I'd say the king should be nothing but stoked on these guys. Yeah I mean it's a. It's a small piece of a large prospect pool but definitely three of As of right now maybe the more important pieces when it comes to the immediate future of the Kings roster and a little bit of that impact that we can see you know seeping into the line up in the the next year to come so on that note we'll send it back to Jesse and This has been trading jabs.

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Toffoli Trade Analysis w/ Rob Rudnick & Thomas Drance

All The Kings Men

20:54 min | 8 months ago

Toffoli Trade Analysis w/ Rob Rudnick & Thomas Drance

"Watch monty carried into the mix up. Knocked up to break man coming back. You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings mazing tournament. Gift Delta coming in Tyler Huskies. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. Welcome at King's fans. I am Jesse Cohn. This is all the king's men. We have two different podcast episodes for you. Dealing with the trade tyler. Toffoli this one will deal exclusively with what came back to the Kings before we get to our guests. Here's kings GM Rob Blake on Tyler Madden. Who the kings have just acquired. You know our guys have been you know followed Tyler mad and from from his draft eligible year onto the two years there North Eastern You know again a kind of along the lines that we've been stating here with the compete in the character He has some high end. Vision and skill You know he's coming off a big week with the The Bean pod championship unfortunately broke his finger on the weekend. Set them back a little bit but No we're excited about About having him in this deal blake also took an opportunity to talk about the Ontario Reign. How they've been playing and whether or not destroyed impact their roster moving forward. We're very conscious of of the play of them. Down there were. They put themselves You know I think a lot of the CBA dictates different things after the deadline based off a rosters and recalls and availability for Ontario. I it stuff. We have to take into consideration but they have been You know they've they've played well down there and put themselves in a good position. Later on Thomas Transfrom. The athletic will join me to talk about the trade from Vancouver's perspective but I I spoke to Rob Rudnik play by play announcer for northeastern university about Tyler Madden what kings fans should expect from him and his place in the hockey world. You know. He's a great kid and he's one of these guys we. I was just talking with genetic in the northeastern head coach. Last week players. Who Come from families that are hockey related and and you may know John. Stevens who coached? the Kings. He had two sons who played at northeastern John and no one and you know the quality of the character of these kids who grow up in and around the ranks with their DADS. And you know obviously Tyler Mad. Instead with a guy he must have played. I think close to nine hundred games in the NHL in once daily cops and you know great role model and so the kid learns the skills of the game and he understands and nothing seems to be too big for him in fact the you know he's got his nickname bright lights because he performs when you know on the big stage and he scores a big goals and he nothing seems to face him and he's very good shooter You know there's a premium on being able to kind of target. Shoot these days and not these. Lbl proved the history of the NHL and hockey and so You know when he's in close when he gets into that scoring area He really has a feel for where he has to put the puck in the net. And that's why you know he's scoring has been so good. There's got nineteen goals this year already. In twenty seven games they played and so You know that's really really good. That puts them in the in the upper echelon of scoring cuts. Everything we've heard is that he comes through in big moments. I know that the northeastern just when the bean pot for those of us in southern California who have no idea the importance of the various traditions in collegiate hockey what is being taught. How important is it and what does it mean for him to lead that team go away? Well it's been around sixty eight years that that's something and it's before it's bragging rights to the city of Boston With Harvard Boston University Boston College in northeastern North Eastern is now one three in a row. They went thirty years without winning a little bit of time here. More recently that they've done well They're Kinda the Greek darlings of the tournament because the fans to want rooting for the team. They're playing against typically grew for northeastern. So there's You know they get a lot of fans a lot of support. They have a wonderful rooting. Section called the Doghouse and they took over sections of the balcony of the TD garden. The game was sold out Which is over seventeen thousand a people at the TD garden to Watch it so it's a very very big deal and And Yeah so it's been a good time for North Eastern time for for Tyler You know just a good guy. Good in the locker room for these coaches Jim Bargain and Jerry. Kief and Mike McLaughlin have recruited some terrific players to northeastern the last few years and they have a bunch in the NHL. Now he's leading the team in scoring at the moment by eight points of my math is correct and it sounds like he's got experience playing in high pressure situations as far as a lot of people paying attention to the. Games is he. You know leadership group in cereal. It sounds like from what you're saying. Yes yes. He's good in the locker room. The players like he's a good teammate. He does score. He likes the big stage His celebration of the camera on them after one last year we call the Kayak because leader on the ice after a game. Winning goal against Umass So you know. And there's a there's a synergy between Always his brain and his hands and the face of the step that you just don't see He can win a big face forty. He's really been one of the better players to come through northeastern very highly skilled as watching a a highlights clip of him after the trade was announced. I think it was a game. He scored a Hattrick in and it looked like he stole the puck off of a player's stick at the at his defending Blue Line. He goes any sort of all alone. Might have been a penalty. Kill you create something. But then the play Wednesday going back into his own but he hustles all the way back into the defending zone. There's another turnover the Blue Line you know. And it's like winds up being maybe forty five seconds after his initial steel that he winds up scoring the goal but then I mean look like he I mean I don't WanNa go so far to call it. The shift migrants put in all those years ago but it was a little bit reminiscent. Does he have that two way game. Yes yes he's a two hundred foot player and You know he's getting better Last year I think he might have had twenty eight points a freshman so he's game is improved even this year Time to time and And yes so. That's a good example that you caught that that segment on film that he and he's got a lot of energy to you know you don't see him calling for a line change leaving the ice and asking for a place wants to be there he wants to take the big finish off and at that level. Hockey's very good league For Division One college hockey and in Tyler Mad is located for the hope Baker Award for Best Player College player in the country. And not everybody gets fatty knowledge made. He was taken to the third round by Vancouver. Look that's still very impressive to be drafted and be drafted in the top. Half the rapid any idea why maybe the third and not say the second I you know. I'm not sure Jesse it's good question. He's he's a small player. He's a fight playing Believed that it was gonNA take a little bit long and develop his size. But we've seen a proliferation of little guys Go to the NHL and do well. Johnny good drama gotTa Baller player. Who Played at Boston College here and as turned out too well in the NHL so if you can protect yourself you can absolutely make it at that high level. Is there any part of his game that you've seen that he came in maybe on the weaker side that he really impressed you with a development in the season and a half that he's played for northeastern? Yeah I think I think almost every area seems to be getting better. And that's saying a lot because he was very good freshman. You know just has a lot of skill this innate ability as I talk about this stickhandling to control the plot to receive the puck on passes to get around players to You Know Turkey. Dribble is The BOWL BOSTON. Celtics basketball announcer johnny. Most used to say he can carry that over. The hockey puck sometimes between escape or behind him and then returned it to You know he's just develop plus develop more confidence although he had had plenty of it when he out to northeastern you mentioned his rookie season the last year he was eighteen. But a bunch of guys. You know twenty twenty two. Even twenty four year olds on the team. I'm looking at the roster. Now he's middle of the pack is nineteen. Looks like maybe one twenty two year old one. Twenty four year old But a bunch of other nineteen year olds twenty twenty one. How does he carrying off the when it comes to talking to the media or talking to alumni associations does he seem like a starry eyed kid or like you said you know knowing who his father is does he know the game no the world as he comfortable in his own skin he is? He is he's He's confident I think. And which is probably the best way to put it. He's had he does talk to the media. He does You know get into these roles where where they might ask them to talk to an alum And but he's good at what he does and I again. I go back to the you know. He's Dad and being around the pro game and just growing up well and having a good good people around him So He's learned that he's I think you'll enjoy when you get a chance to speak with him and I hope you will at some point as he moves along here do you know what the Kings of course. They just got him. I don't know if you know what your plan tied for him. I don't honestly Selfishly as a kings fan. I would love to see him. You know signed with the Kings obviously and maybe spend a year in Ontario. We have a ton of of Of prospects and guys either in the college ranks or in the AHL or even in the H. l. Just watching the clips. I've seen he strikes me as one of the top ex gang system already. I mean it looks great from what I saw so I'm not. I'm not sure. Obviously you could probably play in the NHL Eligibility wise. I don't know talent wise But they're certainly options whether it's Ontario or Kings Jersey cure role. We're seeing more and more players from this level from a division one college hockey get to the NHL and you know he. You know but You know he's I think he's probably destined at some point to get there and you'll get a chance to watch him well. We're looking forward to it. I WanNa thank you so much for joining me. I know it's late where you are and I appreciate you coming on short. Notice to talk to me about the about tyler. No I'm happy to join these wonderful kid. And we wish him well Jesse and you as well with the LA kings and say hi to Alex Faust. One of our favorites here from Boston casting your games. Well thank you very much. We'll talk to you soon. Hopefully joining me now. Senior writer covering the Vancouver canucks for the Athletic Thomas Ranch. How're you doing Thomas? I'm doing well thank you so much. Robbing sorry pleasure. Now you have Tanner Pearson already now. You've got tired before I before we get Carter treat them treat them nice. Okay only only good things. Yes I well long as the performance dictates before we get to your half of it. Let's look at the Kings are getting back we We get Tyler Kennedy. We've spoken already to Robert the play by play announcer from northeastern. So we know what to expect out of him but Tim Shailer Shailer Schaller Schaller. Okay Tim. Short what Kingston's needs to know about his game Tim. Schaller is a fourth order. Not Super Physical pretty dependable two way player overall and pretty good probably Vancouver's one event Gruber's best penalty killers this season stalling out of the lineup of late. One thing that he doesn't really have is that you mention and his success has kind of been predicated on having someone with a little more speed on his line but overall I think in the right situation and with some of the young bodies that kings have. He can be a useful piece on the fourth line and on the penalty kill. But you know that's kind of the long in the short of it not not a huge piece or huge ad for the king's just sort of a warm body to make the money work From banker's perspective well the Kings have lots of lots of fast players. I mean it sounds like you might find the home. He's got a good bit then Barmen. Yeah I mean he said it was mainly about the money working right. He's got a one point. Two million dollars cap. It connects announced. That Michael is being shut down Help young healthy I for the balanced the regular season. So that created space for the connects to add four point. Six million dollar cap like to fully has despite there being pressed up against the upper limit of the CAP By moving you know and the connects haven't confirmed the exact bodies that they've moved out the eye but certainly at least two of Berlin was already there so it must have moved at least two additional bodies on Ti. I'd imagine it's at least go and Tyler Motte but some potential that tyler gray could be on. Lt is while now one way to evaluate trade is to just see what the fans of the other team think of it. It's it's early yet and obviously you. You and I have been frantically trying to put together these pieces for for the fans so it's tough to get a full re. But what's your initial reaction to how Vancouver fans think of the trade polarized? I think the fact of the matter is that cannot spend are skeptical to some extent of their management group and that's born of you know along rebuilding process that hasn't delivered a ton of exciting hockey. Even his you know the organization is capitalized off of that losing in mining. The likes of coin. Us and Elliot's cutters in trump's draft. So you know there is a certainly a streak of fans who think two things one. This is an act of self preservation on the part of a general manager. Who's beginning to feel the pressure especially Pacific Division? Titans at the top and to that you know the inox. Our team where their best players are twenty one and twenty years old and a second round. Pick a play a prospect tyler. Men those are pieces. That might not pay off for a couple of years here but you know a couple of years pederson and Hughes. We'll be in their prime and that. Be Your best shot. So why are the connects going all in this early and I think answer that basically connects to the Pacific Division and determined that they think it's wide open. They think they've got a shot at coming out of it and so I think they've sort of made some extraordinary moves to so You know I think sort of other factors from Vancouver perspective are the play of Adam got at their third line center. Who's the twenty-three-year-old I think? He's begun to cement himself as as maybe a core piece which potentially made Tyler Madden expendable in their view Additionally I think marks almost just they're they're starting goaltender Jacob marks term has played so well here that from connects management's perspective. It's like when when are we gonNA have also under sort of clicking like this again? Maybe this is our shot civics wide open. We've got two young stars on entry level deals we've got starting goaltender who we think is the best in the division. Maybe it's time for us to go and so they've decided to take a home run cut and you know I guess. The last factor is also announced that Brock besser brings down for three weeks with a rib injury. I thought it was an apparent shoulder injury but that seems to have been incorrect. So not only to fully potentially add depth and haft to Vancouver top six or group you know going into say. The playoffs in the event Vancouver manages to sort of keep pace in that race but short-term helps hold the fort as the club waits for their best offensive winger to return from injury with all due respect to tim shower. He's I believe he's twenty nine years old as you said. He's a fourth line player. He's an unrestricted free agent. At the end of the year the Kings are rebuilding looking to get younger. So I mean you even if he is retained he sort of fits the category of that bridge player perfectly and again that's if he's retained but I'm reading various reports that had madden as either the third or fifth most valuable prospect in the conduct system if I had called you yesterday and asked you. What do you think Tyler Madden? How valuable is he to the future of the canucks? What what would you have said? Well I would have talked about how between him and got at. It seems to be an area of plots to some extent. And you know. We discussed that on the radio at two forty today a bit too. I'm really high on that. I like him as a person like I had a chance to interview him recently. Ahead of the bean pot and I thought he was enormously funny well-spoken And then I watched him play and he didn't have his best game but his skill set is evident right. He's got some rat to his game and I say that as a competent right got a pretty high skill level. I think he's the guy who's going to be capable of being you know he's always going to be under side but you know Gritty undersized Middlesex Centre with skill and and I think he will stick in the middle empty NHL level and most scouts that I've spoken with around. The industry seemed to think that you know someone what he does in terms of his candling and playmaking and vision on the ice up plays best in the center. So you know I think is a really valuable asset for a team like the kings that are looking at a couple of years down the road. He's not very big like he's going to need to fill out considerably Especially in terms of his weight. But I you know I think there's a lot to like about that package You know in terms of the skill smart intensity competitiveness. You certainly prospect. You can dream on and certainly one that connects fans had. So you know. I think there's I think that's a significant piece. I think that's by far the most significant piece in this trait and I kind of think. The second rounder You know is is a Cherry on top for Kings Team. You know that just needs talent everywhere and young talent. Ideally so you know I I think the Kings did well here in terms of the price and I think it's just a pretty classic you know the Kings evaluating things down the road and decided to take a win now swing and they found. They found a partner in a reasonably fair price. Although there is certainly people in the industry we think it's a pretty high price a pretty steep price for that connects to a paid for rental player. Well look ordinary. I wouldn't say this. But best of luck to you the rest of the way with Pearson and Foley Yeah Book Covering Team and market is in tense insane funny as the Vancouver market whether the outcome is good for the team or for the team. All enjoy covering it so Should be fun and always exciting when you get to cover a hockey trade on a Monday night is Kinda. Who Will be interesting to talk to Tyler Tomorrow? Here were general manager combining has to say and then to watch tyler acres connects connects debut which I would expect to occur on Wednesday. Since he's just flying in Winnipeg I you know overnight here some Certainly going to be an interesting couple of days. And thanks for having me on my pleasure like I said Thank you for joining us. Especially in the middle of your dinner late at night on back all right.

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Trade Deadline

All The Kings Men

34:33 min | 8 months ago

Trade Deadline

"You're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of the La Kings. Now here's your host Jesse Cohen. It's time for trade deadline edition of hanging of the week joining me now. Josh Blonston Community Jack. I'm great. It's been a chaotic morning at as to say the least but it's been a good morning Thought we've made some progress and we'll get to that soon. If by progress you mean one more player over the age of twenty three no longer in the system then progress Andy. Yeah but luggage King of the week time and I don't think there's really any brise there should be. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. And nominate Martin. Ferguson Wagner is a runner ups I think that's a fair assessment just awesome Wagner scored on his penalty shot and the game before Martin for scored on a really beautiful assist by the King of the right by the way. Gabe Gabriel Gabriel of Lordy. Lordy what'd you think? I three game so far. I thought IT'S A. It's been a impressive showing. So far I think if you look at last night's game against The oilers You can see a little bit the back to back in the fitness of playing at a high level. Catch up to a tiny bit but beyond that he's looked impressive. He's been great in the face off circle and scorn your first shot. Obviously that's high expectations under doesn't get any better than that. Not to say that it's downhill from here. But I think that it's one of those things where It's a great thing to get out of the way especially when you're a high pick that you've had a lot of expectations put on your shoulders since you've been you know up on that. Stage HOLDING THAT JERSEY WITH MR eleventh overall in two thousand seventeen so it's been a good showing so far and I think that you know he's shown that he belongs up here and that there's a lot to look forward to moving forward with Mr Forty two and now he's you know pay per transaction as they say into Ontario today so that he's eligible to appear in the playoffs. We spoke to Rob Blake and question was will he become an right back because obviously cal Peterson will. Because if he doesn't delays you. Yeah they got no. Golly we'll just we'll just get an although seems to be a trend nine. That's interesting I don't know the answer to this but I wonder if you are obligated to carry two guys on the roster. I think you have to be do you. I mean I know you've got how on. Why would I think you have to have because we called one up and But this might be a this could be like a a an earbud situation where the odds were of. An earbud represents podcast. The air. Bud Joke is the notion that you know when it comes. Time to put the dog Into the basketball game. And somebody says you can't put a dog in a Basketball Game Chess. There's no ruled specifically. They're doing yeah so that's why I say. I wonder if it is one of those things where everybody understands that it just makes logical good sense to have two goalies but maybe there isn't a specific rule. I don't I would hope that the NFL thought it through. But I mean you can carry three and I'm in presumably you could if you wanted to carry four or five or six. It just means you wouldn't have any safety events or for fourteen goalies and two lines have enough to look into that anyway. The point is that Rob Blake said That he wasn't clear on whether or velocity would be immediately recalled now. He good just being coy because he absolutely was coy later. When somebody asked if there was a plan for velocities development move forward and Blake said. Yeah I'm not sure I'm comfortable telling you what the plan is rightfully. So yeah so I mean he could have just been sort of being cute and saying like well. Maybe we'll maybe we'll but I mean I think the assumption is that he well. I mean he's shown that he belongs in the NHL issues given the spurts that would say okay. Yeah this guy's got the potential to be an everyday player in a very effective player on top six. You know teamer top six Lines in terms of offense so you know. He's he's shown he's got the ability. He's played well he's done well with Firkin linemate. Obviously they've played a little bit non -Tario so the chemistry's there. I think it's just a matter of time before we see him up again. And currently the Kings carrying fourteen forwards on the roster with Schaller being sent to on -Tario involving since on maybe they recall lardy but not showering. They carry thirteen right. I think that's probably the right move. They've they've for the majority of the European carrying at least thirteen. Four hundred a lot of times you see precor. Ganor Wagner or loss for a good while they were the extra forward so yeah. It's a of you know. How do they want to develop the roster but you still want the Ontario Reign to make the playoffs so That's good for them to be able to contribute and play twenty minutes a game. It's kind of a you know a catch twenty two. I guess 'cause you WANNA up in the NHL. The to get him that experience we also want him playing a lot right now when you got on Zico Petar at center number one. You're not getting playing as much as maybe you potentially would like but I think it's been a great start to his career in the in the NHL and we're going to get into a full breakdown of all the depth players that every position before we move onto that Jack. You asked me who I thought was the clear winner from the trade deadline today and I think it probably won't with Carolina but now I'm thinking maybe the islanders I don't know the real issue for me. Is that when you have a team like Pittsburgh again or Edmonson yeah or you know some of these other teams and make a ton of trades. They moved they bring in three or four new faces. I don't I'm not going to say it's a bad idea. We've gone over this and it's a debate for the you know. How much changes too much. Change when you've got a team that's playing well. They've already going to be in the playoffs You know are you making too much to any moves to the point where okay? This is a completely different team vibe. In the chemistry's lost compared to what was working prior or is this going to truly advance. Who team terms of skill and the ability to work together and with with a team like Pittsburgh. I think they have three guys out of the lineup with injuries will against those done for the year. So he's out and then there's a few other uses that that they're missing but I think when you add marlow and I think he Dominguez and get serious act It's always great to bring back pieces that you know of worked and that are at least familiar with the system. You know what even as we're talking about it now. You know really help themselves in. The most is the vagus with Leonard and with Martinez right because we never considered the traits. That happened. Yeah we forgot about to fully exactly but I think Martinez comes in and if assuming they keep him as a third pair D. and the teen is the third pair de you've got a very good depth in the thing is like this is defense. Are you know they're number one pair of D. Bag compared to their number three pair? Either not a whole lot between them where you know you wish you would have like that heavy bomber like a Shea Weber on that top pair. Vegas doesn't have that. But they still have extremely solid solid defense men. That aren't necessarily the biggest offensive weapons but you also have very liable or reliable hairs across the board for so another trading deadline. Common gone. Ultimately one team will win the cup and everybody else won't and everyone loses. Allergist traded away their future. I mean the athletic wrote an article And the question. The the hypothesis of the of the article was. Is it worth it to make a huge? You know to take a big swing of the trade deadline and my sort of snarky response was way if you win the Cup. Otherwise the other thirty. Which personally is why. I'm against trade but man we know that's conversation for another date anyway. Jacqueline thank you for job. Oh One last thing yes coming soon. Coming soon very jabs yes trading jazz. Yeah is dropping. What is it GonNa drop later this week? We'll have a teaser episode Introduction to jacked blonde ski and Ryan Gold Shirty Stars of trading jabs cast the Knicks. The dynamic duo But then all kids hockey. Hey why not just what? We need honestly. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I think it's GonNa be Great It will not be exclusively kings focused in fact. I don't think it'd be king's focused at all. Not necessarily but I think the kids are going to be involved. You know we work for the Kings. I WanNa talk about the Kings. I think it's an extremely important thing especially given the state that the organization does end but no. Let's talk hockey. Let's have a good time. Let's Bring in some people that maybe wouldn't have before and I'm excited to Kinda you know mesh the Kings with you. Know my age in the college life plus Just hockey in general. There's lots going on in hockey in La. In Minnesota mission statement is going to be mixing high-octane guests with high octane entertainment. I would agree completely. We have some great game up. I'm extremely excited to have some people that we've gotten our back pocket Looking forward to that and look four word to this F. O. U. R. And my suits did there. You'll understand that in the coming weeks. I'm it's going to be good. I'm excited Jesse. Me To kings fans that is going to debut. Sort of a bonus premier teaser episode. Maybe later this week with the first real episode. First Week of March there is near kings fans. Subscribe to that one is available and honestly I'm going to Bangladesh from again. Fox Faust Rainy Day. Podcast all the king's men trading jabs subscribe to all of this king's content. Truly I mean it's the thing is is what I love about it is. They're all covering different parts. That are all extremely important to the organization that all cover everything you need to know about the kings the past the four the future Especially with rainy day and then Fox five senior. You'RE GONNA get a great combination of everything and then all kings every day you don't all the king's men is what you need real. Thanks for joining me. Jabs always touching big week and kings hockey joining me to talk about it. Robin Dutton Today Robin Great Jesse. My pleasure now. Obviously we've got the trade lead Trade deadline for we to that though about gave lawry's debut he had a nice first game. It's GonNa go down in the history quickest first game first goal in history at ten seconds on his first chef. Six point two six point two. Somebody will stop watching and technically I heard that Max comtois might have him beat by two seconds because I think his first shift was off face off the draw in the offensive zone. They WANNA PASS. Pass shoot score but I mean pretty pretty good too six now. I think the hockey gods were at work making up for the lost time. It took him quite a while to get here with a back injury and all that and so I think he's happy to have the monkey office back quite early. I mean the only thing is he's twenty years old so crazy had he not had a difficult path to get here. He still probably had a schedule. I think for for reasonable expectation thoroughly. But yeah I mean in a in a tough season in a tough grouping of seasons I think kings had to come away from that game film. Pretty good yeah. That's a big win for Hammond for the team. And just to see him progressing. I know he's taking his back injury very seriously as all kinds of warm up routine that are separate from the other players and so yeah. I think that's just the nice confidence booster he needed and he's gone back on. -Tario now to develop a little bit more and I'm sure this is not the last. We'll see of the season but definitely a great night for Gabe Lardy. So let's talk about that development of him being sent down because we were planning on recording yesterday but there was a an unexpected wrinkle to trade deadline day that I wanted to let the dust settle on. And that is Tim Schaller. And Gabriel Vardi both sent down to Ontario as of right now that recording they have not yet been recalled. Now the reason they were sent down or one of the reasons they might have been sent down. I should say is that in order to be eligible to play for the rain in the playoffs players had to be on the roster yesterday right so we saw Peterson was transactional assigned and called backup yet. Things don't have enough goal is not to call him back up and I think the assumption was that at least velocity of novel Ardian. Schaller would be brought back up And part of that assumption is that presently kings have twelve players on the twelve forwards on the roster and if Jeff Carter is still injured it's eleven forwards other auster and they only have six defencemen so they can't play seven. I don't know if that surprised me as much you know. He had a couple of games in against Bass big big teams and You know I think it's a good taste for him to see what it's like but now they don't want to go too far too fast and I think you know giving him some time to develop a little more kind of reevaluate. It's not super surprising in my mind and kings are allowed. Every team is allowed four recalls after the trade deadline however the giant leap loophole as you can make an emergency call. The doesn't count towards the towards those four If Jeff Carter is injured you could hypothetically recall game. Gabriel Florida on an emergency regal without using one of those four. What's defined as an emergency these days? I asked around and nobody could give me an answer. I think it's just a case by case situation So As we said eleven forwards six defense and two goalies on the roster following the trade deadline. Derek for the latest player moved on the trade deadline day. Finally a really. And if you get it out a week. Two weeks in advance a ton of big trades. Oh I think I read somewhere. This is the most transactions on trade deadline history in like many many years so and some big names. I mean not. You know not any blockbusters. I don't think but I mean even guys like Kovalchuk. A big name tro check. Coming from Florida was a big trays. Leonard going from Chicago to around everywhere re team trading post. He was excited. You in Toronto does hopes taken away from. I'm did you see his tweet about no drums at the airport. He's shy we has that Alec Martinez of course work but I mean so. Chicago TRADES LEONARD TO TORONTO WHO retaining fifty percent of of salary. Toronto retains an additional forty percent of that. I mean this is just cap circumvention. I now begs did this a years ago. I don't remember who it was But they were just a a salary dumping around anyway. Derek forward returns a conditional fourth round. Pick if they make I believe. It's the conference finals with him. Playing fifty percent of the game it becomes a third round pick or if they re sign yeah so the kings wind up with another draft pick regardless of where winds up being they've got they've got eight in the first two rounds of the next two years. I believe yeah I think out of the trade set lakes made in the past couple of weeks ago. Six packs which is huge adds a lot to the drafts both this year next year. So MARK. Unity has some work to do. I think now he knows what his assets are and we'll start scouting and figuring out what their jobs plan is but I imagine will be similar to last year and I misspoke is actually eight. In the first four rounds of this year potentially seven in the first two four rounds of next season that conditional pick from Calgary they two thousand and twenty one fourth round pick which upgrades to two thousand and twenty two third round. Pick if Calgary reaches the conference finals this season with former playing fifty percent of those games. Or if we're resigned with cowdery so it's another one of the. Yeah exactly I mean. At this point we have six guys left from the two thousand fourteen cup-winning team just crazy. If you look at a cup photo cross out all those people I mean it really is. We're GONNA rebuild and You know that's the plan. And you don't have a lot of those players remaining and we're starting over yet and Trevor Lewis and unrestricted free agents. I mean there was apparently no opportunity to move him at the deadline. I think it's generally considered that he won't be back next season which is obviously difficulties in just another fan favorite. Another beloved player. Nikolai per horgan is a restricted free agent at the end of the year as is Austin Wagner. I like both players You could flip a coin and tell me they were coming Earth's thing. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised either way I think. No one's none of those under stricter restricted free agents. Jobs are really secure right now. I think was leading to the fact that now they all these young ish players were in the twenty two to twenty six ranger proving that they want to be here and they're part of the solution so Yeah we'll just have to wait and see you know where things and I think adding a defenseman in the free agency in the summer will be also a key Move so I'll agency. Yeah on on the Blue Line only two players under contract for next year. Doughty and Matt Roy with McDermott and Walker restricted. Free agents. Hutton and Ryan unrestricted raisins. Same thing you could coin and tell me that any of those guys are coming back or we'll find a new home in the off season. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. I'd like what I'd honestly liked to see them. Do with the CAP space. They're about to get and I don't know how you do this because the kind of player I'm about to describe would be in high demand across the League but I'd like them to find somebody to play with. Drew doughty honest permit. Yeah well I mean He. I mean the getting about drew though is when he's paired with the young guy he can teach them so much into a leader out there but yeah I got I got. We definitely need you know. Left shot defensemen at some point. Endowed is under contract for so long. That's my real issues. Like yes on the one hand you know when you pair them with John Walker and you see John You know. Both their numbers stabilised okay. That's great but you can't tell me that John Walker is going to be judy partner for seven years now. No disrespect to Shawn Watson is because they're both right hand shots. It's a weird pairing yeah Now definitely need to fill out. Maybe it's bjorn. For in which case problems all. Yeah I think that's an. We have such great talents from the past. Couple years. Drafting while that The benefit of the next little while of having that sort of minimalistic roster as we can place them in and see where their atten. I'm definitely I wouldn't be surprised if some of those new faces Clegg bjarne foot. are with the king's next season. There's a ton of cap space. There Tana Flexibility One area in which there is less flexibility than I think most people assumed was Martin Firkh. I assumed he would have been sent down paper wise just to make him eligible to join the rain. Should they make the playoffs? Turns out he was not And the reason given you know you were there. When the media was talking to Rob Blake following the deadline. There was some debate as to whether or not it was out of respect for his new contract and to make him feel like he was a part of the kings and Blah Blah Blah. Out of risk and. This is why I was young people who would say that. I don't care if he doesn't Wanna go to the gods but it turns out. His new deal is two year. Extension negated the clause. That said that he would not be waiver. Eligible had been here for less than thirty days. Ten Gay he'd have to clear waivers. I mean you just aren't willing to take that risk. Because he's he's been great and I think he's definitely a part of the solution for the next one hundred hundred for two years and he seems to have chemistry with flirty and not not the that would be he say. Decisions are made on respect. Nor do I think they would be made on the preferences of a twenty year old prospect but it is nice that at least the two of them have had. Yeah I think a lot of the guys feel that way he's You know got great personality and light hearted and you saw that reaction when he had the hardest shot like everyone's so happy for him so I think he's good for the room and it's a good way of going forward and I know I know this is silly and I probably shouldn't even bring it up but I am fascinated by the fact that like most of the podcast. This one. This one might take into dangerous territory. I'm fascinated by his accent because he's from the Czech Republic but he sounds to me anyway french-canadian a little bit. I mean I can't talk accents. I'm Canadian I but yeah a little bit. I could see that so anyway. That's just a live in eastern Canada. So maybe a little bit of that. And that's what I'm assuming. I don't know if you've ever heard somebody for example who like their native language is Not One of the Romance Languages Mandarin or Russian or Cyrillic or something like that but if they grew up or move to somewhere like Australia or Britain. Yeah so now. You've got an accent that we as southern California's aren't used to within the English language. It's confused it's crazy. It's fun anyway. I always hoped if I moved to Australia. I'd pick up like a cute ozzy accent. I don't know if you know Emily Kingsman with the Lubaton collection takes her own kings shoes. She's Austrailia and she can turn it on and off at the drop of a hat. I'm constantly fascinated anyway. Getting back to Martin FYRKE has signed a two year extension and the reason I bring it up is because we get a lot of questions and there's a lot of chatter and I understand it. It is a pet peeve of mine but I get it People asking about the Seattle expansion draft. And you know does this trade play into it. Was that trade made because of it. What's GonNa Happen with the goal? He'd situation everything so I just really want to give a brief everyone becomes. Gmo Yes are talking about right. So I just WANNA quickly. It's not gonNA be as scary. It's really not. It's not at all so movie from the net out. Cal Peterson barring some sort of massive change in the roster over the next fifteen months or so and and I don't think any of US anticipated but it could happen. But barring any sort of real change cal. Peterson will be protected. I ve very strongly doubt that Seattle would select Jon. Quick with two years left on his contract at five point. Eight million dollars and he'll be thirty six And assuming his numbers don't drastically improve. He'll be looking at three seasons of numbers. That are weak enough. Despite how his play might actually be that I think would scare off Seattle. There'll be thirty other goalies available twenty nine and we just saw Robin Leonard. Move out in Sudan moved. They'll be better option. I'm not too worried. Moving to the forward core again. Barring any kind of trade or Buyout Dustin Brown and Jeff Carter. We'll both be eligible to be exposed. They will meet the requirements. They'll have a year left on their deal. Both at over five million given their ages the we thirty seven. I know thirty six. I guess by the time. The expansion draft happens and with their declining production. One year left on their deal again. I really doubt that Seattle would take either one of them. They'd be picking up a player. Who is nearing the end of their career with with an overpriced Am I crazy now? You're not I mean I think word for in a great position Chris at the perfect time we'd be there you know older aging players were almost done or we've got you know the young pack so we're definitely better off than most teams and you're allowed. I'm assuming the kings will choose the seven three one protection plan which is seven forwards three defensemen one goalie. Solar Project Peterson. They'll protect Kotaro. They have to protect our most of the good young players that we're talking about aren't even eligible to be selected by Seattle. I'M NOT GONNA run down the list but anybody drafted in the last two years and most of the guys drafted the year before that. John Dory Nolan dudas. We're we're telling. Yea Don gotTA worry about it which brings us to the defense and that's the big question mark and. I don't know what the play is because as we mentioned only two guys under contract but dowdy will be protected. Presumably Clegg will be protected. Yeah it's so hard to know what are right up soon because of his age. I'm assuming you'd rather protect the younger option for sure and zone right now based on what they have. We're looking at somebody like McDermott Walker or Roy. Being the lead candidate to be so now all again all this could change fifteen months but just looking at their Oscar right now and I'm sorry guys but everybody gets. Everybody loses someone in this process. So there's no trick or roster sleight of hand where we can avoid losing player so much better position than we were in the last expansion completely and and I bring only say. Save your mental gymnastics and just brace yourselves for losing one of those defensemen that match and this is sort of the position we were in. Vegas to where it was like all right. It'll probably come down to forward or mcnabb and they decided that by projecting forward and exposing them. But we're building now so you know like you said it's not It's not so upsetting to do all that totally. Lots look forward to Lake the draft lottery. Which is also coming up In I think first or second week of April they haven't announced it yet but I usually a couple of days after the end of the season. Right is the ninth last year. I think so. We had a huge shrine going. Are we gonNA? I don't think so. It didn't work so we got to come up with some did whereas the networks don't tell we got the worst The worst than last. We've got the worst ner. Yeah but it's the New Year right so that'll be something to keep your eye on as kind of Amnesty's in the next couple of months no talk to you in the past about some of the behind the scenes stuff. I WanNa talk this time about daylight trade deadline because the League operates off the East Coast. Deadline deadline was three. Pm East Coast Time. You work in the stock market hours. Yeah Bay swimming. Were you up at like four him. No I we're up. We're all have our phones on And we're all up in kind of checking as soon as we wake up just to see anything normally. Nothing happens that fast and if it does and we're getting a phone call saying like ready I you know I went for a nice little walk by the beach. I woke up. You know take. My Laptop Open went to the office. But it's kind of business as usual until you hear anything. You're just kind of working away and then we did. Get the news about birth that something's going to happen. It's from that point until we actually put out the release had the raw blake Prosser it was hours. I think it was definitely slower with the deadline. And I'm sure lots of trades backing up but yeah I mean it's it's kind of a day where you just don't know what's going to happen but luckily we had a little action. And this is one of those trades where it was two hours three hours after it was announced still hadn't heard the conditions. I know it's weird one. I think just because of the nature of the day and also I'm sure some behind the scenes staff with for murder with Blaker with other team. It definitely just got held up a little bit. So there's even a point where going into the We're going to the press conference in the details hadn't been released yet so it definitely was slower than some other trade announcements but It all ended up coming out. I was sitting with the the assembled members of the media and John Gomez and Rob Kaci run the PR department came in and said anybody need anything before we bring you guys down to talk to Rob Blake and the conditions hadn't yet been announced and they said they said there'll be a press release informants blake availability in five minutes. So do you need. We were all like well. We'd really love to know the conditions of the trade like vultures like well. Why don't you just wait for the press? Release Tomorrow Fire. Then the Presley's doesn't have any of the conditions. Nobody knew what to ask. So we're sort of having hung around was one of the weirder media and just everyone was kind of waiting for someone else to ask different questions. And I mean you know we somebody asked about Tim. Schaller and and gave velocity and again. He said why they've been assigned but I think the question was sort of implying and recalled sort of answered as in yeses so then I had to follow with like well. We should clarify. Yeah are they going back or no so for the answer is still no that could change by the time you hear this? Yeah but no on the media side of it I think the office now you can also kind of settle down much like the players and they can know that they're here for a little bit and we know there's GonNa be no eight o'clock nine o'clock emergency calls See I think it's just about looking forward to the spring and summer and looking at what's next now from an emotional standpoint There have been plenty of transactions over the last or five seasons but most of the time it was players of less consequence moving two teams that the kings wouldn't be playing a lot so whether it was to kingdom Montreal then ultimately winding up in the cage L. Or whether it was Nick Dowd winding-up Washington or Brandon lights at going wherever and so the opportunity to have these former players come back and do something. Painful against the Kings was sort of reduced. We're now getting into an era where we've got caught with. Alec routine is Tyler. Toffoli Jake Muslim Tanner Pearson All out there performing well and a handful of them on Pacific Division teams. Yeah now this felt different than I mean. It was meant to than the past couple years having so many leaders and a great guy traded all at once. So it's definitely going to be interesting. I loved seeing though When Volare scored his first goal that Mardi scored You know just a few moments after. I thought that was kind of you. Know serendipitous limit. But Yeah we're definitely going to see to fully and Martinez quite a bit and then when Toronto does come to La. I think it'll be a nice Homecoming reunion for Campbell and Clifford. And I mean I know. Kemper wasn't here that long but he's out there in Arizona and you know the most index going to get a workout so hopefully now. I mean. This was the reason that we even began paying attention to this sort of thing in the first place was after. Lombardi took over. There was Brian Boyle Matt Molson Anti Personnel. Who all moved out and those players maybe not as good as Martinez and fully and certainly not as decorated as those players but it but that was the the era of the cluster of those players coming but hopefully after three or four years. You'll start to see a kings team that resembles those late two thousands teams where everybody on the roster is graphic not everybody but the vast majority of either draft picks guys like Muslim who were drafted by another team but played their NHL Career. Only for the cakes. And I mean that's I think that's the dream. Yeah I mean I think as as much as fans right now can be sad about these players leaving. They've come grown up with and come to love and no like it is very exciting. I'm the ultimate optimist. But it's exciting. A if you just get to know. Some of the draft picks that we've had they're really not only great hockey players but great guys and and have cool stories and so I think they're going to be really exciting as you know the future of the team in the face of the team coming up so not only do we have alerts first goal but we also had snoop Dogg in building ninety nine. Then we had Lakers nine. What else is coming up? Oh Gosh we've got eighties night Wednesday day because that's the other night they're playing in the Chevron Jerseys Right. Yeah and they'll also be playing on Saturday in the stadium series jerseys with the chrome helmets and Loy clubs so I think getting a chance to see that at Staples Center is pretty exciting for those fans who weren't able to come to Colorado And so yeah Wednesday nights black history month celebration. Saturdays I mentioned will be the stadiums. Here's jerseys Game presented by each La Bailey's birthday. We have a lot of team nights. what else is here. Beach Day will be March fourteen. And what are we doing for each day? What are we not doing per day? Bring your like each towelettes or white shirts bring them all. Maybe some crowd surfing. See what I did there too not proud of that one. Should I place them? Surf Rock underneath his best gets and beachwear gone pride night March Nineteen Eighties Night March twenty first and it keeps going on in the last game of season Fan appreciation night on April fourth which is always a fun one to be at one thing made me most excited about albeit the game. But I kind of want to watch at home as the Stadium Series Jerseys with to go with the chrome helmets. I thought and there's nothing to be done about it. I just thought it was unfortunate that the cameras were so oddly place than so far away right. I'm really curious to see what it looks like on a standard broadcast because I thought those gloves and helmets looked great totally. You know what you could do. Go to the game record it. I could do that both worlds or a watch. The replay on Fox sports go everybody download dot com slash livestream. Swipe up I think there's GonNa Rabbit Up Robin unless there's anything else you WANNA touch on all right excellent. Well then. Thanks for Listening Sans. We'll have a post games for most of those games. You mentioned that we'll talk to you soon.

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08-31-19 State Of The Franchise w/ Nick Nickson

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08-31-19 State Of The Franchise w/ Nick Nickson

"You're listening to all. The king's men the official podcast of the l._a. Kings now. Here's your host jesse cohen well the makings fans my name is jesse cohen and this is all the king's men is always make sure you never miss an episode by subscribing on itunes stitcher spotify premium or wherever refine podcasts are curated subscription links and recent episodes can be found l._a. Kings dot com slash podcast and this is a bit self serving but if you how many friends who are kings fans that don't know about the podcast on listened to the podcast go ahead. Tell them tell them to listen. I bump into people at events all the time. You tell me how much they i love the intermission segments do fox sports west. They have no idea that this podcast exist so go ahead spread the word. The state of the franchise event was last night for season ticket members but i ask dick nixon to join me after it was all said and done to get our initial reactions now we're gonna try and have the full audio of the event available for you. In a few days. Keep an eye on my twitter account at kingsman podcast for news about that but for now hope you enjoyed the recap joining me in a green room room backstage at the novo theatre alley live hall of famer nick nixon. How're you doing tonight doing great yeah. It was a wonderful event as we get into labor day weekend and that only means that the good stuff is around the corner and that's right and i think that's the seventy fifth time that somebody mentioned the long weekend the evening signing timing is everything. We're going to break down. What happened what our thoughts were on the evening earning. The first thing that i think has to be addressed and i think they did a decent job of handling it is just acknowledging the different mood from this season the last season because last season's event i was blown away by i loved it and not say the tonight wasn't great but the but the mood last season i think played a big a big role in how much i liked it and it was you know we came so close to beating las vegas and now we've got kovalchuk coming in and velocity. He's gonna crack the lineup and this is what our power play is gonna look like and we've got new offense offensive systems and an offensive coordinator ron this year. Last year wasn't great yeah. What a what a difference a season makes yeah you're right. The expectation was going into last season that too. There was still a a window for this team with the nucleus which was a nucleus clues. One two cups was still going to be formidable enough to carry them into the playoffs and hopefully with their playoff experience go deep playoff run and it kind of all unraveled before our eyes with personnel changes the coaching change early last year and now all you hear about the great young prospects which which we'll talk about shortly. I'm sure but it's a different mindset. We're building ahead for the future things. We heard what eight ten years ago from then g._m. Dean lombardi and it turned out turned out okay yeah <hes> he had heard shirts and he had his way of telling the fans. This is these are the the areas. We've got to plug in and find players via the draft via free agency trades. Whatever obviously it works so yeah a lot different. I think the one thing that a lot of us can look forward to is that there is a lot of good young talent in the organization. I was reading publication. Just a couple of weeks ago might have been the hockey news where they raided the prospects of all all the teams and they gave the kings plus especially for this past rat when they had seven picks the first four rounds so and i'm looking forward in preseason games when the season's starts is i'm sure a couple of those young players will be on the opening night roster if for no other reason just to see where they're at and their development up against n._h._l. Players so that's exciting but you want to win. You always want to win and last year. The kings could not score which is why they didn't win. There were other factors coaching change. A lot of players have good but i mean they had the second worst offense executive and you've got to score a goal so we've got to figure out how to score forty more goals at least the season from what they did last year forty forty news would get them back to where they were when they were struggling to score when they weren't yeah so yeah to me whether or not some of the kids make the team <hes>. You've got the veterans back a lot of them. Most of them had bad years last year especially a lot of the forwards. You've got to figure out how to get more offense. No i mean again. I looked at the stats two days ago on two fold and carter's goal totals last year and go that can't happen again now. They've got a score twenty-five thirty which they're capable of and have done in the past and right dare almost it's almost eur forty goals. You're looking for and then improved seasons from the young players and rebound season goalscoring wise from a guy like andrzej copa dr it could be interesting. I mean to to kind of wrap up your initial question. It is a different feel what it was last year. It was a team that still has the window to win a cup to one. That's now looking ahead to developing young good draft picks to be competitive again so one of the things that i think everybody involved in creating kings content. Has i struggled with this off season and and what was evident in on stage tonight. Did they struggled with was what you say when the when words don't matter later right like the organization can say whatever they want. The pundits can say whatever they want. We can say whatever we want but it doesn't matter until october fest when the players at the ice and start producing so how do you tell a room full of devoted kings fans you know how do you feel anything with words when everybody understands did did they don't ultimately matter and as always. I thought they did a pretty decent job. <hes> robes on blake came on and sort of set the tone. Maybe for the new. Maybe not news not the right word but sort of reset. Everybody's memory about what the <unk> what the what the priorities of the franchise were right blake like mentioned not trading draft picks. They went back and looked at the track record over the last three years. How many guys have come in. How many guys have signed contracts. How many of them are going to be joining. The organization is pros <hes> so that just sort of set the stage <hes> and then where i thought the night really took off was when glen murray came on and nelson emerson came on jeff solomon was particularly meaning <hes> and they started walking fans through not what the future looks like but what the behind nine the scenes of the present looks like an inside look as to how at least the kings organization feels that they have to do things the right way to develop players to be a really good n._h._l. Players i enjoyed one of the presentations was breaking down down. The draft picks those in the first round that make the n._h._l. And their cutoff was one hundred n._h._l. Games then you go to the second round down to the seventh and as as you'd expect it you know it progressively gets worse the deeper you go and anna remember on our talk show during the season jesse. We were talking about route. It was probably probably around the fact that the kings weren't scoring goals which could have been at any time during that six months season but i remember saying look at the top twenty scores right now in the n._h._l. And this was when kucherov was starting to run away with the scoring race and meco renton and was playing great nathan mackinnon mcdavid obviously but i totaled up the top twenty scores in the n._h._l. This was i think maybe early february mid february and i thought i think it was seventeen of those twenty were first round picks picks and they were the top twenty in the top twenty so yeah and we've talked about this before with you and on our shows during the season it started back when dave taylor began his reign as g._m. Dean lombardi the embraced it as well rob lakers these are people that have been in the game a long time and in this day and age with the salary capper the best way to get superstar players to draft them. The only way you're going to do that is by holding onto your first and second round picks. It's that simple which was which i thought was great that the kings were able to go on to the draft this summer with seven picks in the first four rounds and what are they have four picks in the top five picks in the top one hundred five or foreign top fifty right yeah yeah yeah so that's something that maybe the average fan is not aware of but it's important in the big picture and you look at the cornerstones of the king stanley cup championship egypt teams <hes> dustin brown and andrzej copa tar and drew doughty driver louis josh rivers and the get the guy the guys that the added like carter and even marian gabbara e first round picks. They're all first round picks and and you know with so many is scouting these young players at sixteen seventeen eighteen up until their draft your when they're eighteen most of them have a pretty good idea where everybody falls in right you just have to be able to drop them and and for longtime time kings fans who go back to the inception of the team back in nineteen sixty seven the philosophy back then when the draft wasn't well well. It wasn't what it is now. An entry draft the kings would trade away their first round picks for the first ten years of the franchise and they're spinning earning their wheels and they're still trying to you know keep up with the joneses. When it's the late seventies early eighties and finally they figured out okay hey we can't trade our future to try and win. Now we have to bite the bullet right now so that we can win later and win win consistently and for a long time at one point they showed a <hes> a sort of a bar graph with the the projection lines sort of thrown through it and they had all the players that you just mentioned drafted into the they showed all the players that were on the two cup winning teams and where they were drafted. You know what round and you can see the majority of them were drafted in the first round and there was a cluster in the second round a few in the third to in the fourth one and the fifth it you know jordan nolan and willie mitchell taken in the seventh that sort of thing but basically all not all been majority first and second rounders then they showed the current crop. I i think over the last three years of where those guys have been drafted and you can see there's four first rounders. I don't remember how many second rounders and i remember looking at it thinking gosh that's <music> sparse. How are we supposed to build a container and then i caught myself thinking well if you blend the two graphs and you bring over co petar brown exactly and maybe in three or four years petar is not going to be the player he has been. He's going to be that much older certainly dustin brown. I'm probably is retired by then but drew. Doughty is still going to be a force and alec martinez who looks like he could skate and be effective until he's forty years old. Yeah these players will will still be there to augment the younger talent coming in dan so yeah it. I'm sure for the fans that will be nice for them to see alex turcott because he was such a high first round. Pick <hes> this past summer but you know all eyes are going to be on him. It certainly would appear if he has the type of season. Everybody expects his freshman year at wisconsin that that he comes out and signs as a pro. Maybe right after wisconsin's season ends next spring. That's gonna be exciting because you know and we talked to the veteran players last year brown co petar i mean these these guys played so much every night and you can't expect to be successful by playing these guys this much every night and they we know it and and it's not because they're not good players and they shouldn't play but there's nobody else out there to take those minutes that can that is going to be as productive and that's why we need like i'll throw the name out there because he's probably first in line on the wishlist turcott to be a number one center so he can take those power. Play minutes is producing obviously to get those minutes so co. Petar doesn't have to play twenty two minutes a night or nineteen. The next night and engage in three and four nights plays twenty three minutes again so yeah that's it all goes back to the drafting and where people slot in but it's exciting again. I mean if the kings didn't have you know the the draft picks. They did have this summer. We probably aren't talking about this because like i said everybody feels. The kings drafted a lot of good young players. I remember dean. Lombardi said you you try to get to players in every draft. They're going to be n._h._l. Players doesn't mean their star player right you go back to when they brought up king nolan for the cup running in twenty twelve big tough players nolan was a draft. They weren't high picks but were the important parts absolu- i mean i'm constantly fighting with people that those identified the kings are right so you know but dean said you gotta get at least two every year now. Kings draft is rated a. plus by a lot of people. Maybe you get three or four and wow now. You've got uh a nucleus for the next ten twelve years looking at of you was still some competitive years hopefully with the group that we still have and we'll add a few more. Here's one a couple of google. Dave andreychuk the name i always think of when i think about the future of the guys like hope it's brown and i'm certainly not suggesting that copay careers anywhere near you're done but a guy like dave andrew truck who played an incredible role on that tampa bay lightning cup winning team but he wasn't not mike richards pat bradley because he wasn't brad richards. He wasn't cavalier. He wasn't right. He was <hes> third fourth line grinder and even the kings second cup line right. Mike richards played yep played a checking role again not that dustin brown rajagopal are anything other than first line forwards at this point but to your point about turcott when he does become hopefully first line center or even if his ceiling the second line center whatever it may be you hoped those guys are still around and and producing an yeah and and and avi would you would think that that would extend their careers if they could manage their minutes better yeah yeah but it it's tough for a coach to not play a guy like copa tire as much as it does. If you don't have anybody else they can play those minutes and be effective because the coach wants to win every game he plays his job is not as much as you know it. It's nice to hear about looking forward in the future and you know putting all the eggs in the right holes a new coach and todd mclellan ton. Mcclellan wants to win hockey games every night. Every coach does us they off the record. They were probably all tell you don't tell me about what we're going to have in four right right the fire. That's the reality so but it's it's a different feel and and i think the kings are in a good place with their young talent. They're going to have four or five really talented. Defenseman that are what one thousand nine hundred twenty ontario and maybe one or two gets a look during the season more than likely. Will we saw a couple of them at the end of last year so yeah it'll it'll be fun. There's a lot of talk from from multiple members up onto the people up on stage. Nelson emerson talked about it. Glen len murray talked about it. Jeff solomon's will lesser extent talked about it showing the prospect list showing the new players coming into the organization and i was talking to fan after the event and i said i've begun thinking about the king's talent pool not as a twenty three man roster but as a forty six man roster oster i mean it's actually more than forty six because there's no limit on h. L. rosser cise but now when i hear a rumor just for example it got asked about tonight during the session and somebody asked whether or not the kings were still interested in manhattan and whereas three years ago five years ago ten years ago twenty years ago i would have thought oh well that's interesting. He's twenty six years old. He's left shooting defenseman. There's room you know okay. Maybe now i go well. No we can because then where's mike anderson uh-huh ryan ryan stanton's already in ontario as i do an age l. contract. He's thirty years old so he's not jersey or drag this year so so yeah. It's it's again. I think we would all agree. That's partly because the whole outlook is different now than it was last here. At this time maybe last year at this time when they still feel that we have the window and everything's hunky dory and the coaching staff the was here last year it it it might be a situation where things are going to you know just evolve the way you hope they would but yeah it's gonna be interesting is going to be interesting because you don't want to bring in a guy who's maybe twenty six twenty. I mean ben ben hutton's a good player. He's in n._h._l. Defensemen but there you go is he gonna make that much of a difference in and the big picture whether it's him or a twenty year old defenseman that we've drafted being in the lineup and if he's <music> that valuable and that good why is he still out there. I mean that no disrespect to one hundred one hundred and i mean looking at the like i said looking at it as a forty six man roster or however big it. Is you know i i'm a lunatic so i spend at least fifteen minutes to twenty minutes a day. Staring <unk> adds depth chart and cap friendly and all the contracts just. I don't know why the information hasn't changed in spring months but i i keep looking at it every day and i'm looking at. It and i'm thinking to myself love. The kings already have too many defensemen for the big club. They have too many defensemen for the rain. They have too many forwards for the club. They have too many forwards so the rain they have enough players under contract in the pipeline to to ice two full teams <hes> and that's what excites me about the season and i think that was evident on stage tonight is that it really is even though there are pieces that are still in place right you know kobe brown around doughty culture carter to fully martinez quick etcetera etcetera and even though the front office right bill ranford spin here for however long and jeff solomon has been here since the since the beginning of lombardi's aurora and and you know rob blake obviously was an assistant jam and rolled pieces in place that have been here for a while and yet we are now entering as as tom mclaughlin will talk about him in a second as tom mcclellan referenced it at the beginning of a new marathon and you feel that it really is sure sure and i think thank part of that is because he's taking over and there are going to be changes to the way the game is played some of them as he mentioned would be subtle. We might not see them in the beginning but over the long haul oh yeah okay. I see what what the kings are trying to do here. I like this. I like this is the way they should be doing. <hes> hopefully it works <hes> but yeah i think any time you bring in a coach of mclellan's status <hes> with his experience the n._h._l. Level and and his pro coaching career as an assistant minor league head coach etc and combine that with the fact that the kings have made a long term commitment to him to get them back to where they want to be. I think you have to expect that okay. We're gonna start here but this is where we're gonna finish but we can't do do it. In eighteen months right. It's gonna take time todd has time. He knows he does players know he does. <hes> the players know he's got the time so he can do that. He can say that and he can preach it with the the hopes that there's a buy in and a lot of the veterans who have won and wanna win again. Everybody wants to win and win again. If you've won once or twice ace. Hopefully they'll see that okay went through this once. We have to do it again but we can do it. We can do it. I mean and let's let's let's not forget i mean in two thousand twelve who thought the kings were going to win the stanley cup in february of that year and you could say the same thing in twenty fourteen who thought the blues. We're gonna win the you're in january in vegas. Yeah although vegas is a different story now but that just just shows you in this day and age. If certain things fall into place good things can happen. I had only only known todd mclellan from what i've seen on t._v. As an opposing coach and he has a stone face he's not <hes> terribly varied in his expressions when he's coaching right he looks stern. He looks mean. There's just gradients of anger when you're watching him on the on the telecast the cast so to see him open up tonight and he talked about his sons and he talked a little bit about his wife. He talks about why he came to l._a. His philosophies on coaching and hockey and you know we talked about how he used. Metaphor is a lot in analogies. It was a completely different version of todd mclellan than i've ever seen before. I'm sure you've seen it before. Post game press conferences and interviews irvy's such <hes> but i went from thinking and this is no disrespect to jam rob blake but i went from thinking of the beginning inning of this year or the beginning of the calories say twenty nineteen when the team was clearly falling apart and the season was sort of lost and there was a lot of talk about the plan. We're resetting the plan. We're sticking to the plan. We have a plan-plan plan then they hired todd mclellan and the press conference. Was you know i like the plan. I have the autonomy to exact the plan a._g. Wants to have a plan. We're sticking to the plan was like i'd heard the word plan more than anything else and i thought okay. This is fine. I don't not complaining but this is exactly the thing you would expect any organization failed to meet its goals would say which is we have. We have a plan and we're sticking to the plan and i thought okay. This is like all right so would you let me do any sport your that a lot of it's not even limited to sports right exactly we're gonna make a movie and we're going to plan like okay great so when taunt coach clown we got up and started speaking and and this is you know maybe this matters maybe this doesn't but it just struck doc me he filled space and he provided energy to the topic of the plan in a way that i hadn't hadn't yet heard from this oregon right. Coach stevens was a very <hes> passive voice right when speaking to people <hes> rob blake lauded by by his peers and people who know as a as a keen mind and a and a well respected member of the community and i have no reason to doubt that but just you know he's not and iraq on tour shall we say whereas dean lombardi right could talk forever and darryl sutter had his own unique unique communication pile but i think sometimes an organization does need and it doesn't necessarily matter where it comes from but there needs to be on a just use my own analogy. You know you see those movies of the viking. Ships were the guys on you know troch stroke in his room. They're all rowing at the same time right. There needs to be that entered seems to me like mcclellan could lend that to the franchise and and honestly i think that might have been one of the biggest things that was missing last season yeah and and for me it was not a good situation and and the kings i'm sure had very valid reasons for announcing it this way but when they made the coaching change early last year and brought in willie desjardins pardon he's the interim coach well right then and i and i'm not saying well. I'll say it. Is there a buy-in. Is there a buy in to the future to how we can win again when we we know he's not going to be here for the long haul so and again. It's tough to make a change that early in the season. The guy you want is not available probably early or the or maybe if you don't know who you want but you had to make the change for the good of your organization now you've got to start the search and which way do we do we go oh so you know that that wasn't the ideal situation but once they did the thing that it kind of shocked me when they named todd mclellan because he was one of the names you know we're on the road and we're in minnesota right after the coaching change early in the season. He's an and we're all in the media room talking about who's available. Who's gonna well. How about dave tippett. He's assistant coach year. Players always seem like him. He's not doing it so we're throwing out names and then todd mclellan. Let's go on edmund so now you're thinking okay and actually among us will will give us some credit media. He was the one guy that we associated with being a pretty strong candidate because rob blake had played for sure and we all know how l. family heirachy runs in the n._h._l. You hire people. You know that you can trust that. You know what you're going to get their personalities so i wasn't surprised that todd was named what kind of took me was. They gave him the five year contract and then one of that when that soap din. I'm saying all right. I'm a player on the kings right now. I've been with the team for eight years nine years. He's not going anywhere in five years news. I might be going somewhere so okay. Let's check that off a-list as blaming coach no not gonna happen now or let's cha not going to happen so those are two things that i thought of it with a coaching change but obviously from from my perspective respective covering the kings a member of the media. He's always been very accessible to us in san jose where he got his first n._h._l. Head coaching job and then it doesn't menton little little more guarded and edmonton only because he had to deal with the edmonton media every day not just heavily on game day that heavily every day. That's the n._h._l. Media coverage in canada. That's so so yeah okay. I figure that out but you know he gets it. He understands the media. He knows what it's like to be in the division asian. He knows the players in the division. He knows what it's been like to be in a so called new hockey market san jose what it's like to be in an established avalanched n._h._l. Hockey market edmonton so he's got a vast array of experiences up and down the gamut that you can. You can say okay this this. This might be exactly what we need so but but yeah the one thing that i like about the higher of todd is that and he talked about the autonomy he and his coaching staff have is that bake is i'm here. I'm not going anywhere the rectifier me and you're too because they're going to have to pay me millions for not to nobody wants to do that. <hes> so yeah yeah. I think it's the right fit right now and his teams have always been competitive. <hes> <hes> and it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting and and for the next couple of years just to see see how he changes things out drastic or how subtle they are and then how he works in the younger talent where they're not a lot of coaches coach's jesse new seen this. They don't like to play young players. They don't trust them well. Let's see with all this good young talent. Maybe you have to play play them because they're that good whether you trust them or not. Maybe they're not gonna defend well but if they can score thirty five goals you you know he said at one point glen murray was making fun of grove is is saying you can't skate you. Gotta score goals here luke and then coach mclellan's on said you know give me two guys that can't skate score fifty goals in season exactly he <hes> he made a comment that i don't know him well enough to accuse him of doing on purpose but it was the kind of comment that phil jackson had made it. I'd say okay that is one hundred percent calculated one hundred percent deliberate he was talking about the team and he signed about the progression of careers and how the franchise had run a marathon from the time that brown and coach our join the organization and obviously culminating in the two cup wins wins and then he talked about starting new marathon and he said you know some people can run can run. One marathon already said my wife ran one. Marathon is done wanna do it again. She can't do it again. She did once that's great and then he said and this is the part where i say phil jackson. It's others i would one hundred percents calculated and pointed and deliberate and directed directed specific players but he said there are some veterans in this franchise that have to decide if they want to run another marathon yeah and and some of them <unk> are capable of doing it right. Some of them are probably too old to i mean we're going into this season and we talked about this at the end of last last season daryl and i on our talk shows and even during the games when fans what are the kings have to do get better younger they got and as of the end of the last game of last season the kings had eight players on the roster that were in their thirties and we said i know i sat out magnus week for darrell evans that is i said they can't go into the season with with that many of veteran players that many older players now. They bought out dionne on phone off. I think a lot of us expected that and then you look at the others the contracts take a lot of them tough to move because a lot of them have at least three years left on a deal quickest four including this season so yup. I it's going to be interesting. I think to me if you're an athlete. If you've been with the kings the veterans like carter guys that have won both cups. We all know the doughty deborah on brown it carter <hes> you would think that okay i know what it takes to get a championship and i know how we got the first two and both of them were not expected really yeah and okay. Let's kind of reboot reset and let's do it over again and and maybe we'll we'll do it where we keep getting better and better better and when we get to the playoffs whether it's getting back there this year or next year the year after with momentum good young nucleus. That's ready to take over the leadership group then. Maybe you say okay now. We're favorites. Which would never. I mean so so you know i think it's gonna be it's interesting. It's gotta be interesting only because there are so many question marks and are all of the questions we have to be answered positively no they're not but you just hope that things kind of evolve where you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and you can see that okay what what what the new people are trying to do is working and the players are buying that that's going to be a key and we'll probably pick up on that in the first five six weeks of the season. The players have bought in okay now. We're going now now. We're going to see what this team because i think the church so many players underachieve last year various reasons some of them blamed other factors that happen and okay. That's that's human nature but i was talking to a season seat holders earlier tonight the event here and look at you look at our forwards and aside from dustin brown and a couple of the young kids like campaign follow. Allo veterans just did not have good years. Are they all gonna come back and have the same type of bet. No they'd better not exactly i. I don't think it's going to happen no and half of them and we talked earlier about getting more offensive half of them to fully goes from thirteen to twenty five goals carter was thirteen to twelve or whatever he had to twenty five. I have follow gets a little bit better. Campaign kobe tires more than twenty. Now you're looking again it those forty goals extra and half a goal a game that gets you in the playoff on so yeah. It's i mean we we opened the conversation tonight. Saying you know part of the challenge of putting on a night like this is finding a way to talk about a situation where you know words don't matter and one of the things i really liked about what's odd mcclellan said is that they're gonna. They're gonna be changes but you might not see them right away right. It might take you whatever's at eighteen eighteen weeks or something like that and even the lineup as we're saying. They're veterans right. Even the opening night. Lineup doesn't feature a single guy under the age of twenty two or or twenty three the roster on the end on the home of the fan appreciation night at the end of the right right that roster's going to have a lot of guys under the oh yeah yeah i mean we we've seen that under rob blake. They like to give young guys taste. Anderson dolan last year played the what nine games before they had to make a decision on him. They got a kind of a feel for where his development is. At ah matt roy came up seen walker <hes> come up for some games wagner to me you the one thing about and we talked about this too during the season and i'm sure there are valid reasons but this is the fan in me. Okay austin wagner can skate like the wind. It's on unbelievable. He he scored thirteen thirteen goals. Maybe ten of them on breakaways yeah okay. The kings penalty killing was awful last year. Why wouldn't you use. I used the fastest guy on the team to kill and i understand. He's got to learn positioning in this who cares you're not how how much worse can your penalty killing get yeah if he doesn't understand positioning and he just goes out there and pressures for thirty seconds all over the ice gets gets off comes out and kills the final twenty six so so that's these are some of the things that they kind of excite you but <hes> yeah that that's that's where i i think you you have to you have to expect that these young players are going to get at least a taste this year and a lot like you say by the end of the year by the end of the year. They may have a better answer. They will okay. These guys are going to be players and now we're gonna gold signing. That's going to wrap up our conversation. We just got the ten minutes so yes from the evil any any final thoughts on the evening. No i think it was great. I think the fans really early appreciate these. The kings have done this now for a couple of years. I learned something. I think all of us even that are inside the organization work for the organization. You learn something when you go into the detail like all the individuals did from from luke to rob blake to the development guys as glenn murray nelson emerson to the new coach jeff solomon with analytics <hes> yeah it's good the fans i think get a <hes>. There's there's nothing better than an educated sports fan and if nothing else that's what the kings organization is has done for the for the people that were fortunate enough to to make it here tonight. We're going to try and get the entire evening up on the iheart platform for you guys that weren't able to attend because as nice it is to have us recap recap it and you know you can read rosen's tweets in the mayor and everybody tweeting about it. I still think it's valuable to hear the the people that actually said the things actually say the things we're going to have yeah. Thanks for listening kings fans nicknamed for joining me like you go kings and we'll talk to you soon.

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"Busy Friday, dodgers tonight and a season right around gore. We got an NFL week in college football weekend, Michelle Beedle and Amine. El Hacen joining us here in studio as well. And it's a bird nails. Yes, raise your hand if you had growing pains. Oh, I did. Did you have grown boys yet? But yes. Well, that's like girls either. I just want to clarify that kind of like yesterday if you want to carry that over, I thought about it, but now I'm not ready. Kirk Cameron, Kirk Cameron. I loved his old Kirk, four hundred past tense, loved him. Have you guys ever seen what Ben looks like today? Ben Seaver. No. Oh, man. You're saying like was, okay. Actually looks like direction is a couch and a beer. Check every once in a while runs on Nick at Nite or something right. Don't forget Gary you. Rob Pelinka is going to join us at the bottom of the hour. The Laker front office show debuts later this hour, eight thirty. Rob is going to join us. So we'll talk about the Lakers in the upcoming season. I asked you guys second ago, eight teams obviously make the playoffs if we assume the Lakers are in. I think most people think the Denver probably comes in as well. I mean, it's two teams have to go out who's out, you know, use it when we said Minnesota's. In the break. Yeah. In Portland is that team that's looking real wobbly? Realize the three seed from year ago hasn't gotten worse going away. You guys see Kevin Durant, but to play like an eighth seed, right? Everything comes down to the last minute with them a lot of the time. So it's just like, will they won't they? And it just feel like when people continue to get better, it's not that you got worse. Just everybody's passing Terry Stotts he bad coach, or is that the makeup of the team. Passes prime passes duty with it. Because they got really good players in everybody else is kind of man. I didn't know. Not there. There's a difference. I think he's a vital part of that. He is, but it's not enough. He's not enough. And then every other dude like, look, I'm not like mohawk. Louis is nice. Amine is not, but these aren't players that can vote. You passed, you know, some of these other teams. Again, like we're talking about the Lakers and the nuggets bills are both deeper more talented, rosters this could see it. I, I wouldn't be surprised if New Orleans the candidate because one, they lose the decision making of Rondo which people underestimate, but which was big. But also to as always there, an Anthony Davis tweet ankle away from losing five games because they have not enough to cover up for him not being there. So go back to the blazers for second in the idea of if they are just met, if they've got two great players and you know that those two great players are going to get you bounced in the first round. What do you do is as somebody that's do you blow it up and start moving those guy. And start over it. You just get on the wheel in stay there. And you say, hey, we're trade. I used as back core for your useless back court, and let's see, useless. Now we're going to say useless. Use extreme useless. In a sense of you've been together for three or four seasons. This is as far as it's going to go crazy. Keep doing this over and over again because on paper that should be a much better situation. Yeah, you're right at this sort of the state of the league right now of you need a lot. I just think the roster is not well constructed. They sunk a lot of money and players that are, like I said, men and it's okay if you've got other great players, but it's literally just these two guys who, by the way, are the same size pretty much right? And and you know, Damian Lillard. Great. Is he the best point guard and not really the second best? Not really. Third-best not really. And then CJ McCollum is really nice. Is he the guy league? No. Second. Nine, he's got a couple of pair force. That's not gonna win a lot of hands with. So I, I just I just feel like it's, you know, the only way that roster overcomes is if you're getting incredible value out of other positions. Right? And they're not, they're just okay, but to sort of those guys available all of a sudden, I mean, if they get into there in the middle and they're eight, nine ten somewhere in there and they're going nowhere. All of a sudden they see that that's the problem with the Western Conference. Eight, nine, ten on January first, January fifteen dollars on your three or four five. It just it's going to be doing this so in, but I'm just saying that you never going to have that closure of guys was so far that playoff picture blow it up, but maybe not out of the playoff picture. But if you are on the wheel of three to ten, in three is a mile away from one and two. And we've Steve see a team like the Lakers who've got LeBron and they've got money to spend and you know that they're closing the gap from wherever they are two one and two. And you're going the opposite direction. How long do you stay on the wheel before you say this. This isn't going anywhere. This is why I would be an awful GM like one season doesn't work, blow it up. But that's why I can't do that part of it has to do with the expectation that you have in how you view your franchise in comparison to the warriors. Because I believe a lot of teams are looking to say, when the warriors show a crack, that's we to pounce, right? But you have a win. Is that going to be realistically want it could be Kevin Durant departure from free agency to it could be age not as from the backward, but I think Draymond green is eligible to age. And when I think it's Draymond trae mounting a couple of years. Why? I don't think it's going to leave, but I do believe age where be an impact on him more than any of the other players. And when age hits and undersides power, Ford slash center is going to be huge because he may spill out of lack of height with his athleticism, such as it is, if you lose lettuces them, he's going to be pretty much. Okay. But how far down the road is that is this hypothetical situation? I will say I wouldn't be surprised you saw in two, two seasons, see a decline. His f- let him I have been Wallace wants been Wallace athleticism milk. Sweats, it's turn heard. You're not turning it back. Yeah, you can make butter, I guess. I'll get the fresh. Kitchen butter. I'm over here. He's always thinking about something else. You missed mysterious. And said, you're an idiot. Techs from last year. Michelle, why do you think drain on at the top of the list if somebody's going to go wise it? Well, I don't think Klay leaves because I think Klay understands he has a, it's the perfect situation. You don't have to be. You don't even have to be the second guy, but you have a great spot. You're great at what you do. You made great money. There's you live where you wanna live. I mean, there's he's not leaving the Durant thing. I'm still not buying yet just because I don't. I'm looking at it as a person who's just looking at people's jobs like, why would you leave that situation? It's a great situation. They seemingly actually like each other. They have one of the best dynasties building as this thing goes on. So I, if it's a matter of a few bucks here and there, I just don't see people leaving the bay area. So you know. Included and I don't think he's gonna fall like, why do you think he's gonna athletically follower watching guys, like LeBron number of years. So he spent in college Michigan state k when you think about how he has to bang with a lot of big bodies. And we don't think about the toll that it's over the seats. I thought we'd be because when you said here, it comes. Come on, like what we made it because I was in my head, I got away with banking. No. But he got it, but he's a, he plays big, not big, right. And I think we underestimate the impact of that cost and Kalin colliding. Tobias, Stephen Adams over the course of many seasons. Remember they haven't missed a deep in the playoffs in years. So he too is logging. Lot of men is banging against a lot of bodies, so you don't think they could evolve his position as far as on the court because his value is also as important as just his voice in his mind with those guys. I mean, he is by a lot of accounts Ville leader of the team. I would argue the athleticism is second importance to his. I q, he's just so freaking smart out there and is in the right place at the right time. And he saw another guy's things and he's got great passing. Great vision. I think his game is going to age because like even this, this level of athleticism, he's, he's showing the less computers. I'm kind of surprised because he wasn't jumping like this at Michigan state shouted, personal chef. All right. So LeBron went from Cleveland to LA right now, is he going somewhere else in the summer of twenty twenty? We'll talk about it next Travis. This is your music feet is not my music. Everybody wants to get a stab at this. Oh, I know it is happy birthday. Jerry Jones? No, no, no. This isn't Jerry when he was four is this coal miner's daughter. No. Okay. Is it someone like that the little bit of tree that kind of someone else's a little bit of rock and roll? Yes. That's it. This is a little bit of country to someone else's bats, her happy birthday to Marie Aswan fifty, nine fifty nine years young. She's still doing the nutrisystem ads or commercials are still on TV every day. About that? Why don't you lean in like that. Oh, hey, don't commercials on TV right. I'm not a huge infomercial stop. Two thirty in the morning. Oh, I was thirsty glass of water. I'm interested in Maria system potentially. I, I was one of the many people who did not know that they were brother and sister. Well, hard to tell just from watching them in. I actually think you might be only one. No, they were the whole family thing. I think they want people to think the other, yes. You people they wanted people think they were a couple interactions were not sibling ish. Then y'all haven't met Robert beetle. Okay. Speaking to deception, oh, there was a deception that happy earlier today as well, Michelle, and it worked any worked. So your segment started what time? Seven forty, five. That same time. What was your call time? Forty. Five. No, don't think so. Actually told you seven thirty. I'm show you the tweet ESPN in Los Angeles. Call time the call times what Raj hit you with. If the new start. On Tuesday nights. And so tomorrow. You're good. And I said, what. Thursday. In the take you further behind the scenes. I mean, hits me prior to Thursday, hey, man, I'm making no problems. But if you want me earlier to seven thirty, I could do that. And I was like, okay, okay. Do show up like seven thirty. How early can you get here? I said, let's say seven thirty. If I can make it earlier, I'll try. Downstairs. It's a long trip rolling in from San Bernardino. Elevate is we're Tiffany. I'm paying attention. Tip at some point in street name and I'm gonna get all. I'm hoping you slip close attention to this. Rob Blake is going to join us in about ten minutes from right now. The leaker front show will debut. Then Jerry Colangelo said that LeBron still is an interesting playing for team USA at the twenty twenty Olympics in Tokyo. I, I love LeBron the Olympics right up until the point. He became a Laker and now I have far less. That's ridiculous. People wonder if he came to LA because of the business opportunities and Hollywood. I don't. I don't know if that's definitively true, but playing in Tokyo and twenty twenty. That is definitely all about the business makes sense in the world, if you LeBron James and you're still pushing product, you pushing all the other things you're trying to get out there and consumer Vail taken advantage of being big in Japan. Oh yeah. I just love the idea that Travis is like you got to represent your man. You gotta do. And then it's like, wait a second. You've done enough now if someone else. Exactly what I'm thinking literally exactly because look LeBron what is your sixteen? Okay, you're sixteen to more. We'll be through eighteen seasons with him going into nineteen. I don't need. Look. He's representatives country very offensively which one gold medals he will. Here's what loan Spurs. Yeah. Yeah, let's global basketball to continue to grow. LeBron's shouldn't play. Lebron work. Non laker. Are renting Brandon? Ingram could go. 'cause he hasn't been yet. He can go once. He's still young man of quiet the Laker by that he doesn't wanna be a link. I'm just saying, what? If what? If he wasn't wanna be one, he doesn't want to be one here period. Yeah, you just wants to be in LA. So that leaves the clippers? Yeah, or the dodgers. I mean, that would be that'd be a twenty stories. What about Toronto could I could have work? I mean, it could sorta changed my mind on how things work because I didn't see that coming either. So maybe is a great city. Great city. Find happy. I just have a hard time believing a guy who has spent basically their entire lives living in warm climates, whether it's southern California or Texas. It's all of a sudden, say, give me some of that snow you get in Toronto. I'm just gonna live there full time, but eight months is a long time that you're on the road. This is a stupid question, but as someone who's never lived in cold weather, I've lived in Arizona ever. I've lived in Arizona southern California, Texas, and these are the three places that I've lived. So I don't know, but, but this ideal I gotta look, I would imagine that Leonard's shoes will never touch the snow. I mean, they have to be. They don't have to be. How can be inconvenient? Is it if it's cold outside, if you live the light of the consumers don't ever touch? No, you don't think concert. He lets. By the way speaking of which because we talked about Tiffany, amber Theissen, and we talked about your your. Yesterday we were talking about Beverly Hills. No, no, no. And I was trying to remember who was on that show. And you said Jason Priestley? Yes, instantly this one here. Of a picture, decent busy at Costco, right on Monday. So you're going to get your job. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go in a completely different direction. And as the question l z asked me, what would Michelle beginning to Costco because you, you order everything you order everything from? I have. I have a reputation in my neighborhood for Halloween, so I have to get full-sized candy bars. So I- stock up at Costco. Why get salmon and I get toilet paper. That's what you're saying. That's what you. Salmon toilet paper, Snickers, five years of being the best house on the block. And then on that six year just trolling everybody with the worst stuff you could possibly find. I feel like five years is. Smarties reports. Celery. And that's when they Jimmy Butler. You're. Cou. Why though? Let's go back to him for second. Does he? I mean, if he wants to be in LA and he doesn't want to be a Laker that just no one's ever done that. No one's ever made the decision to go join the clippers. It's true. It's true that given the option, right. Look, I think there's a lot to the idea of of the LeBron aspect of the Lakers for was some sort of deal changer. Okay, fine. But he wants to be in the city of Los Angeles. You know, he has a championship rake, I'm he. It might be a different set of priorities for him than most people, and he just wants to get back to southern California then. Yeah, I guess she played for the clippers. That's kind of weird. People assume that if you don't go to a team that is about to win a championship right now that you're not serious about winning. 'cause I was on the radio show yesterday and they asked you will be Butler if he's so passionate on us. There is about one. Yeah, absolutely. All the time. That's that's how I let you know the relationship is over. Radio host. In other producers to. Just plug me, but someone was asked me, Jimmy Butler, so passionate crazy about winning that. Why would he pick teams like the clippers in the heat and stuff? I said, because when people say, I, I wanna win. It doesn't mean the result. I wanna win right now the obviously that's part of it. But the most important part is the process are we all about winning in here? We understand that we may not win, but are we all bought into what the work is that require that is required? And so go into the clippers doesn't mean I don't wanna win. If he thinks Dhaka's coach. If he likes the players, if he feels like those guys have their priorities in order, the result does not justify kind of justify or deny the process of winning. And there's a level of shrewdness that's been implemented to the franchise, I think are underestimating where with the clippers, the way they Blake Griffin, there was pretty shrewd his thank you do, but the sues production and you say, oh, you're a guy, you're a guy, you're a guy, and then you can opportunity to move him for younger p. You do that you ship out doc son Saint going. Yeah, you're coach. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we, we can't roll outs anymore. I, I don't think that's shrewdness I think like they made that decision in summer would Blake. And then Jerry West comes along and says, now that's what I'm saying. But that's, that's literally they changed their mind. That's Jerry. West readings. Really listen to Gillette west, I guess, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I, I wonder what we'll we'll get back to Jimmy Butler at one point, but I just wonder what he did to the market for him with the last couple of days of it's change at all. I I heard Jalen say it on your show the other night that list got a little bit small. I rob Pelinka is going to join us next, the Laker gloves show will make state byu that is coming up. We dog. No, don't say that either drop like is gonna join us coming up in just a little bit on. You just got a little bit of Jimmy Butler. News said gonna. Go came in and said that he is not with the team, go into Milwaukee, free season game that he's going to get ready. He's going to remain back in Minnesota to work on his conditioning. Good idea. Her conditioner. His conditioning. If you play his legs, there crushed. I just wanted to have enough air in your lungs to yell at the GM from across the condition. He's pretty good. He's got. He's got wind. This is where I just get so irritated with organization just be real. Jimmy Jimmy's not with the team period. Don't give it some BS conditioning thing. Laugh at you more. It's time for the debut of our leykis front office show all right time to talk to Laker general manager, rob Pelinka, how you doing on a Friday. Excellent brother. How are you. Man doing great. Are you the beach right now? Surfing? What are you doing. We feel the team was Vegas, had a had a great game. They're court Wednesday night against the warriors, and then we play our last exhibition game tonight are six one, and then it's on the Portland on opening night. Next Thursday can't wait rob. I was talking with z. yesterday and I'm watching that game that you just mentioned in Vegas the other night and seeing LeBron with Lonzo and the way the branding or played in the way that it looked in the opponent that was on the court against guys lesson. I got caught up. I was incredibly excited. I can't wait for this thing to get going on Wednesday. What's it been like for you as as the architect of this team to put this team together to see the first five preseason games? What have you seen. I have to get so much into magic. You know, he and I going back six months ago. We have so many different, you know pathways for what would happen with free agency. But we knew that you know, if LeBron decided to join the Lakers, we didn't want to just replicate his other teams from the past in terms of the Brown, and you know four shooters. We know that the guys up north or dominant team, they spend the final four years in a row and a pathway to seventeen banner has to go through them. And we decided that to build a team of playmakers guys. It could get the ball and make plays. Luke wants to play fast. We wanted guys with with high basketball IQ and then you know, I think what you saw on Wednesday is, you know our guys, they're not afraid of anything. We're gonna go out and compete every night. And I think you saw that adding components. Glance, Stevenson and just the dance and the swaggie has developed Mckee with his, you know, championship experience Rondo is like our Tom Brady just a quarterback that sees everything. We're, we're so excited. It really, really are happy with the way the teams coming together, Robin sonny's a lot easier to go through and try to find one year deals with guys who have attributes that you can pick out because they've had opportunities to play. But I've been most impressed about what you imagine been able to do in terms of finding diamonds in a rough, the Kyle coups Mazda, Josh heart disease. How exactly is the process for you guys internally and finding those guys in the late I in in early second rounds. That's a great question. We have Dr bus Ed organized, the scouting department led by one of the son. Jesse the scouts do a great job, and you know, behind the scenes magic and I are always in the film room. I mean, that's the thing that people don't realize how much time we study. It includes trips around the world Jesse bus, and I went all over the map looking for guys last year, tons of games, but the amount of work we put into it, I think is what people probably underestimate. And I think having guys in leadership that played the game and have just that intrinsic understanding of of players, you know makes it makes a big difference. I think with coups Ma as an example. I can still remember when we brought him into our Jim for draft workout. And of course he had the Michigan ties, you know, I've played an an Arbor magic east Lansing. And we just saw him that certain energy in terms of his putt work and has found, and it was primarily getting an MBA body that he has now. But like you said, we saw it diamond in the rough that we could carve up in shape and to get a player like that. The end of the first rows and something that doesn't happen. And so we're incredibly proud of these guys. We're finding and then genie's big point has been, you know, for her so reliant on Kobe and sack in the great air that we weren't focused on player development and what magic and I put around the guys in terms of nutrition and weight lifting with Gunnar Peterson and just the hall three sixty you around the players to development. It's something we take great pride, and and that has an existed in the recent history of the Lakers are proud of that as well. Lakers general manager, rob Pelinka joining us on the Laker front office show, and you know, we spent time all off season talking about Lonzo shod in in in lonzo's health in. What we're looking for in year to what about for you and Luke Walton and magic, what? What are your expectations for Lonzo in a second year in the NBA? You know, one of my favorite moments with though is when he came and said, hey, I really want studied some film and I it netted out with an idea that I had it when the session with magic Rondo and Lonzo on the film room, breaking down game tape, and that was man. That was, I would have paid for a ticket to be in that room. It was so powerful just to hear Rondo breakdown the game, and then magic with chime in of angles and passes though with talk up and and then adding everyone on Wednesday, what he's done with his body know there was one play the second hand. If you watch the game, I think an clay or somebody, you know, good, defend their on him and he he had. He had a drive to the basket in last year. He might have left his feet maybe trying to skip it across the court. But this year with this, he went towards the Rimini bump that. Offender gaining advantage, and that laid it in and I talked to him after the game and he, he just said he feels so much more confident with making play like that. And again, that's the testament is hard work when he wasn't able to go up and down and play five, five in the waiver for a couple of hours every day, getting a mastery over strengthen his body. Rob. You mentioned that you play the university of Michigan? I too am from Michigan from Detroit. And remember you being a wolverine, you probably still best shooter in that building even with Josh hutcherson proves Saad. How hard was it for you? Not to get more involved with Lonzo as he was struggling last season or have you been quietly talking to him about his form. You know, it's a great magic on our very fast it in an all our players, and you know, we'll send them tax. We'll give them a little pointers, you know. So was kind of floating on the free throw line and then really have established rhythm. So he and I had a conversation about how you get up to the line, find the nail in the center, you know, sending your body and kind of have proper mechanic. So McCann because we're basketball guys. We're always giving little nuggets to the guys, but we want to have great deference to Luke and his staff because of course, through the coaches and they have the reins, but but because we have the basketball plane background urban and I, of course, along the way where we see opportunity to to say things to add to what Lucas Stafford doing. We do it all the time. You know who's texting me actually last night when after the game on Wednesday, just say what you think about this and that and we because we're who peds. I mean, that's what. I think makes our front office somewhat unique is you know, we played and we loved the game. It's more analytics for, you know, more than just study in the numbers. Rob linka liquor, general manager joining us on the Laker front office show and rub in your role is the general manager. How do you balance the two things of, you know what? We've heard it. It's a two year process. There's money to spend. There's going to be opportunities moving forward and bouncing what's happening right now, the game that's in front of you this week, this month this year the the short term versus the long term. Great question. I think the biggest challenge for us and it's something that I wake up every day and remind myself is to is to really live in the now. I mean, you know, people wanna look forward to July two thousand nineteen. That's not at all where magic or my focus in. We're on this team. We think we have a chance for this group of guys to be really, really special. You know, I think it's, I think the competitive team player that Jimmy multiplied not added. So I always say three plus three plus three of got nine players that are competitive doesn't meet nine. Free time free and this group is so competitive. We. We loose rock there. Which part did you guys lose the right after the word competitive is where you dropped out. I would say this is such a competitive game that trait is multiplied not added. So if you have guys that are competitive, it's not three plus three plus three, nine, three times three times three goes twenty seven and what we've seen as you know in hard scrimmages guys are going at each other, you know, Rondo on the Bronner on opposite tease they're talking junk. And just I think this is such a competitive group that we're not focused on, hey, what might happen in two thousand nineteen? We're focused on the now maximizing this payment and and taking a shot to do as much as we can this year. Do you miss your own life? I know you have a great life right now, but you are a very successful agent or the aspects of it that you miss. Absolutely. Almost twenty years representing players. I feel so Boston fortunate that worked with he'll multiple hall of famers hand. I great great memories of that. Those relationships. When you're an agent, it's your focus is really developing brand like for one person. And obviously with this new job, it's more of team thing. We have a hundred fiftieth plays, you know, fifteen players and to shift from an individual focused thing to team thing. It's been a really kind of invigorating new challenge, a new lands, and but I definitely feel grateful for the twenty years and the other space, lots of lots of incredible memories there leakers GM rob Pelinka, joining us on the Laker front office show the Lakers open next Wednesday in Portland. Appreciate, thanks rob, just real quick. Never never see Hugh and Rob Lowe in the same room. Well, you know, it's funny he at one of the dodgers plan McCain's I got a FaceTime call from blonde Rosen who the deer Grandi president of the dodgers that I picked up and it was on time. And so I said, hey, congrats on on, you know, signing LeBron the other agents is too. I said, no, I thought you sign the guy that you signed. I don't know. Maybe your theory count the ways. Wait. Delinquent front office show every Friday talking with rob Pelinka. Thanks again, rob. Thank you sir. You too. I'm sure he gets incredibly bothered by getting compared to Rob Lowe all the time. I'm sure that's got has not as well. That's right. I get Chaz Bono. He gets Rob Lowe, and that's. We'll get reaction to that. In a million acid here as well. It's coming up next happy birthday. Jerry Jones seventy six years. Go over ninety. He's lived in life if you will eat lending a life. Yes, these living. He's a man of high Merle's, a man of great wisdom and patriotism feel. Hey, you gotta tip your cap off to him. I'm tipping a lot of things the bottle and take his hat. You know, they haven't had a number one receiver in years according to what he's read, and that's what he said. What he said back the GM. Yeah, I like it reminds me we had a player who is getting torched by like Anton Davidson. We came back to the huddle in the time out, and he says, who was man? Is that just like your man. Where was help her happy birthday to Jerry Jones seventy six years old. I'm so I think the biggest challenge for a front office guys to try to figure out the now and at the same time, not screw up the later and rob Pelinka was just on and asked him the question about trying to deal with the two year plan that we've heard so much about magic mentioned it to Keyshawn when they did the interview couple of weeks ago and at the same time trying to be about what's about to happen this season and he he made it sound like they're all about what's about to happen right now. How do you balance those two things? Because it's it's virtually impossible to be as competitive as you can be right now at the same time, remain flexible down the road. Well, I mean, that's that's the thing. Some people are saying, well, LeBron's thirty four. You can't waste a year like the, you can't waste this year. You can't use a building year, and that's this is the part where I really admire the job that magic. I'm rob of done, which is they're disciplined because. It's real easy. Does it all in right? Why Leonard here take all of our young guys for them, right? And they're not doing that because they realize, hey, first of all, we don't. We don't have there's no fear of LeBron flight at the end of the year, so we don't have to do anything knee jerk right now. But the other thing also is if you play this right, you can have all your young guys and have one of these blue chip guys next summer. And so that's the that's the thing. It's like every single you know, you ask me yesterday, why aren't they in the Jimmy Butler conversation? So it's real simple. If you're in the Jimmy Butler conversation either you don't care that he leaves at the end of the year, right? Houston Rockets or you don't mind paying him a lot of money for five years. Meaning you don't mind when he's four thirty four making forty million dollars and as bad knees. You don't have a problem with that with the Lakers aren't that desperate for Jimmy Butler. So they would have a problem with that because that would take with flexibility down the line and. It would cost them their some of their youth. And so that's I think that Trump says you a question is all about having a discipline to your plan you without a plan. You gotta stick to it. You can't just get a distracted by the impulse buys. Well, I think that in the part that I liked was the philosophy that that genie came in with as well as like they don't have a shack or Kobe anymore, and they've never had to build players and the idea that that's what they're going to start doing now, which is the way of the world at this point. I like that that means there's just been an overall fundamental change in how things are viewed and how things are going to be done. Which for me, I would think is you know, keys to success. Long-term doesn't change though little bit in I understood having a plan and being patient and sticking to the plan, not being impulsive. Let's say like to to your point that spots three through ten or going to be incredibly fluid potentially that if the Lakers instead of being in the three, four, five mix there in the six, seven, eight, nine minutes and we're in January and. It is a year of LeBron that is going by and it's maybe not quite what you were an tipping. Does your patients become less? Do you do get a little more impulsive because if I tweak this, maybe I, I can accelerate this process by certain Travis does a difference between being impulsive and being proactive. And I think that the Lakers front office has shown that are willing to be proactive. And if there is a case in which they're like hovering around, say five hundred and there may or may not make the playoffs. They'll be proactive. They were proactive last year and making the trae Friday at times to get more cap flexibility for next season. So they're still looking for opportunities. They just be won't be as nieces desperate, I think, but there's a difference right? As a difference when LeBron's not here, you can be proactive on an Isaiah Thomas, especially when you know at that time they still didn't have quite the cap Spacey they needed. They still need to clear a little bit more than we need to clear a little bit more money. So. It's easy to be proactive their, it's harder with Travis the saying, and it's not gonna look as stark as a man. We're under five hundred January, right? It's going to look like, hey, 'cause we lost tonight and the pelicans, one all of a sudden now learned from fourth tonight and ninth or tenth, and we can say, delight in August. Oh, we'll be patient and we're gonna bide our time and be disciplined, whatever. But when LeBron was in the office, like do what are we doing? Like? I just looked at the the board every every single locker room has a standings board in there that they update every day. So it shows how many games back and they've been lying to us who I don't pay attention every everyone's got the everyone's got it because we want our players to know like, no, it's not like, oh, it's just one game like sometimes got people take those two eighty two game schedule doesn't matter. But we're trying to keep it top of mind. You tell them and he comes in to your office and he tells them guys, what are we doing here? Even though we could be playing? Well, we're getting our deep retry. Playbook are defense is getting better over the year where a record in a vacuum looks good. But how do you tell the Brian Deane's? Hey, man, we're not a player like we'll get to your plan. It's a tough sell. I don't know what they won't find out in the playoff team onto the last thing is this. I don't know if it's gonna take that long. But what I do know is that LeBron James is going to be the best player in the game this season and possibly next season. After that you looking at having a top ten LeBron James, which is not bad, but he's n