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Yeah is it a limousine though or is it a nice like a limo. I don't wanna ride in the limo for six can't get you can't go that fast towncar. Yeah maybe oral these gold shield sirs and now they have like big. Suv oversized suv's. Yeah that's probably what it is. I mean it's their call. I don't know. I feel like i would order to go on a flight but that doesn't mean half the day that doesn't apply our basketball trip. I was gonna say. I remember this. When you say audio and by the way we say that we have to make a decision here of which trip we're going. I mean we got. What new york vegas or notre dame by the way notre dame is out. Because it's you know it's three hours away would have to really go out of the way you basically side new yorker vegas about vanderbilt. I'd like to go to could game. I mean i'll let everybody have a vote but you get one or two choices. You can decide november november to new york december to vegas. You let me know either. One of them will do ryan. And i'm glad to do but you gotta pick which one it is now. I didn't know that notre dame was on the table table. I said that. I mean notre dame i don't think notre dame you're gonna enjoy because i'm just be driving for the sake of driving because it's so close to be doing laps around indiana. Yeah we'll just be up in wisconsin just driving around going. Hey we're in wisconsin chicken place in ireland though and i could treat you guys do some best chicken. You've ever had a lot of good question about the new york route. Yes the saturday. Before is tennessee home. And that's going to be rowdy. We still catch guy. Leave at the tennessee at the tennessee. Game new york would be like the halfway point of our trip. We go we probably if we did that we if we did that we'd probably go up like through like maryland. New jersey rhode island. Get to new york. Go to the game. Then circle around we. I don't think we spend enough time in vermont new hampshire. We need more time there. We didn't go to vermont last time. Did we yeah. we did. Yeah we we didn't really stop. Look but see we do all that. Get our sort of syrup. You get all the syrup we need and then come back that way. So it's lovely that time of year. I've ever put a snow in about twenty degrees below zero. It's lovely earlier though that was in december. This'll be an early november. Whether might be good probably will vote but coming out the side so you can go to vegas. Go see our friends in texas new mexico. You know you decide what's a good choice. Five zero two seven today. Let's do a couple of news tidbits. football recruiting berry brown five star. Wide receiver were the best players in the country. Not just like a good player just for the heck of it but one of the best players in the country. The number fourteen th ranked player in america is visiting saturday night. He is being pursued by alabama and ole miss but kentucky. He is now considering. And even he's from nashville ryan and he's visiting. Uk saturday night. How about getting that kid on campus. And i think you know probably goes hand in hand with what kentucky's doing offensively and we'll let us be here and throwing the ball. I mean at all these wide receivers now are gonna want to play in this system in this offense. We may start seeing a lot of five-star receivers now starting to look at kentucky. I'm not going to get my hopes up drew because that's just not what you should do. But if they could somehow take a wide receiver from alabama an old miss lane. Kiffin and nick sabin. That would be insane. Wouldn't get a kid that's out of state and out of state kid too. I mean can you imagine that this this caliber of talent especially at the wide receiver position couldn't have found. Uk on a map ten years ago even couldn't on that last year in the conversation of their recruitment and now he wants to visit and see. There's a close legs. It's not just that. He has an offer from alabama kentucky's want battles where they've had the guy had an offer from alabama. This is guy sabin has circled and he wants to just plug in is one of his next great receivers in that offense. This guy high on alabama's board and he's checking out uk. I we haven't seen Talent like this considering uk and win so hopefully it all goes well this weekend. Pretty amazing to me now. Also amazing chris doering and j. capacitor two guys that do tv and radio for the sec. Network and kentucky and they had a conversation about. Who's the third best team in the sec. Alabama's probably one georgia's to who's third and here's what they had to say. Well i think we can eliminate lsu people that had them in that discussion. So i think they're out of the mix. I think it's still remains probably texas am. I think that's the team that we we think about as having the best opportunity because of where they were. Last year the season they had where they finished just on the outside of the college football playoffs. But i think you can make an argument. Stick with me here now. This esther. I think you can make an argument that what we saw from we'll lettuce and liam cohen and the kentucky wildcats that they might be rounding into a team. I'm worried as a florida guy that they're going to become this this this they finally get the last piece of the puzzle. Is this what puts them up to being able to contend with the top of the teams in the i love what you just said. I am aboard of what you just said. I don't have to stay with you. Because i am riding along right next to. It doesn't sound right right. It doesn't sound possible to say kentucky might be the next best team behind georgia and alabama. But i think it's it could be a reality potentially so it's a group of four teams right now from me after what i saw week one. It's florida ole miss kentucky. And i think that's the group. Would you agree with that if you were putting like a kind of a pecking order. Forgot my almost team. Those teams are like my. My babies are ole miss in the west and kentucky and east the two teams that both you and i thought we're going to go away over there projected win titles. I think both were seven. I think we both had them win. Like at least nine games or possibly ten. Yeah i think. It's from that group. But i love what you said about kentucky because nobody else outside of the to own this podcast right now are bigger believers in kentucky will let us fun to watch. The offense look different. That often to line is the best often to line. I think in the sec. It just go wash tape. That's all i can tell you. Go watch a tape. And you'll see that. We know who they are running back. They've got some questions on the outside. They need some playmakers but man. This team is going to only gain confidence as the season goes along so ryan pretty strong words from two two guys with no connection to kentucky loved it loved and they're no longer title at kentucky maybe being third in the division. This is third in the entire. Sec shows what kind of respect. I think people outside our little. Uk bubble have now for this program and mark stoops. And what they're doing here. Love hearing that and just have kentucky in the same conversation with florida and texas. Am man. i mean. How far have we come when we used to be. You know fighting stat out of the seller in the sec. Now we're fight with the big boys at the top of the sec. You gotta get excited and if you beat missouri. I think more people will start to say that. Yeah i'm shocked as having this fast. Look that good. I mean kentucky wasn't even pick third in the sec east by a lot of people a lot of the preseason polls said missouri third kentucky fourth. And now i think it fair like they're having the conversation you. Their talks be third overall above texas. A&m above florida. It's just hard imagined in one game that that conversation's been ad but that's how good they looked and everyone else didn't look that good. Last weekend i thought people would like that and it would be hiding certainly was exciting for meeting here. Who's next dave dave. How are you dave. Egging afternoon guys are or morning whichever one we're in now. I was about the game tomorrow Tomorrow night i don't see i mean. Central michigan ran all over missouri. That's our strength. And i don't think that central michigan even on the same level as you k- you know we have one of the best tailbacks and the best airline and they ran for almost two hundred yards on zuri right down their throat so i mean you had that with our passing attack. I just. I don't see a scenario where they beat us tomorrow night especially on our home field. Well i understand that. I appreciate the call i think there. I think there's there's an argument that we not only should win at five is not enough on the free money. Podcast that drew. And i did with jay and linden last night phil steele as kentucky is one of his lock. So the week ryan. I mean like he has his winning by fourteen. I think kentucky. The way i look at these games is both teams. Play their best. Who's going to win. If both teams play bass. We're winning this game and so the question is can we get as close to our best as possible and you think that what we saw last weekend that there's still a lot still left in the tank. They played so well. But it just you know like okay. Yeah we can still do this. Kvass smoke chris rodriguez i still. Chris had over one hundred yard but the running game didn't look all that great like the caller. That's that's i think that's only going to get better at. The season goes on drew. I feel like we got to go to vegas. I feel like ryan needs another. Senor frog's night don't you like with him in his t shirt and all i think i band i think after that i got banned from senor frog's would really need the flight home on that one. That's that's the sticker stickler on that trip. But i'm okay with the flight home so long as you all loud detours shannon on the drive there. And what are we going to do with. The car is dump it off at a way that you can leave cars. I mean we sold ks. Are we got some money to throw around and missile stranded desert hardy. We had that party friday night. We still got some money to spring. All vegas could be a little sprinkling it would be as we said before right around my birthday. It'd be a birthday party for me in vegas so it sounds like shane. You're voting vegas. No voting new york. You're voting. you're right. What are you gonna vote vegas. Ooh that's a surprise. Wow i'm sure he was voting new over to here we go. Wow okay what are you voting. I mean it's not my official vote. But i'm leaning vegas. Vegas is vegas the car. Ride back to vegas through random towns in texas shame. Do you know how excited i am about that. I can hear it. I don't know that i'm as as excited your stop. We could stay at that hotel and oklahoma city again. Yes qurban kurban hotel just to be clear though. That was not the official vote right. I think it's pretty official. I mean said he hadn't decided officially changes it's to two and then how do we decide then. I think i'm excited about the new york game in giving coach k. Loss still go to that game. You and i can go to that game if we want. We could fly to the gay to both games. Now that point you have to go to. You're saying you what you want to go to the game. I'm not stopping you from going to the new york game as a group. You know the post game karaoke. It's all part of it. I mean yes. I can attend album. I gotta do that game show at one thirty in the morning and if you remember the last time we went to that game the next day i got kicked off the radio by mitch mcconnell so i have great memories of the after the champion the classic day. Don't think it's gonna happen again. If we go to new york ever know that maybe somebody different this time five. Oh two five. Seven one eighty looks like vegas it is. I'm excited better time of year for me. That's voting vegas. How it's going to be so much fun and it won't be as cold chain and that's the other thing we'll be in the south instead of the north and whatever but are we going to do. I'm just along for the ride. I sit in the backseat literally. Yeah we're going to have a lot watch movie a lot more space we want to take. Tv cameras you know what i mean. Let's take whatever michigan soon mckee family. Let's please invite daniel though. I think he may still want to go with guys. I see daniel three times a week. Now brag pretty spoiled. But he's not going on any of our. He hated every box mystery. Box doesn't thank. Don't even knows what we're talking. We'll be right back to talk about jones. And the crew. Called the clark's puppets shop phone line. Five five seven one ten eighty or one. Eight seven seven. Nine four eighty or so. Does the kentucky brandon ks or tweet of the day by twenty matt at kyi sports radio now back to kentucky sports ring on talk radio turning party lot of fun and i got you know. Last time we went that ended up. One of the best games ever seen ryan mugged carolina. What a great name. That was the best regular season game i've ever seen. Most people would probably say the same thing it was. The i've the crowd was just insane for that. Gay people were so into it. Yeah i think. I think it'd be a lot of fun. The uk basketball okay. First of all. so what. birds rights. If it's a two two tie. You have to call bobby bones to decide. That's true true he's gonna have to make a decision. We'll see what he says. The u k basketball schedule came out the complete one. We now know when all the games are basically the new stuff for the games. The sec scheduled opens a home game against missouri. Which is good. The only thing i saw i always look. I'm selfish. i always look and see. How many saturday home games do we have a drew because those are the best for the bar and we actually don't have as many as i would like During the sec play we tend to play a lot more at home during the week and on the road on saturday which i don't like but the reason they probably do that is because those road games wind up being on. Cbs and they like to have us in games. We could lose. We finished the season at florida. Which has kind of become a normal thing. We're usually at florida at tennessee. Play florida tennessee. Vandy lsu in alabama twice looking at the one thing i do like about it is hard games are kind of spread out throughout. We actually start the sec schedule with three of the worst teams in the first four games but unlike last year drew where all the hard games were sort of bunched at the end. This is more spread out honestly than it usually is. Yeah we get the florida trips at the end again. There's a year ago. They switch that honest. We had someone else. One thing that stood out to me. Is i feel like we go to texas. Am every year. And i don't know ever come here baby. We donated hockey goes to texas. Am and it goes to overtime. Every year they've ever played. Maybe i'm wrong but that jumped out other than that. It seemed pretty standard. Like you said. I like how it's spread out a little bit. There's not huge clumps where it's too bad there's a four-game stretch ride and it's tough but three of the four games are at home florida. How than at tennessee. Alabama hold lsu at home. It's a tough year but you get three of the four of them though at home. And that's in the mid to late february when hopefully. Your team is gearing up for march. Yeah because i think those are the top teams in the sec. And you got him back to back to back. Good the and it's no accident. That kentucky's playing alabama twice when alabama's really good playing lsu twice when lsu. Playing tennessee twice when tennessee's really good. You think that schedule makers of course they do that every year. Whoever the good teams are that's is going to double up against kentucky but this this year it's been a little different. My brain is so trained to go into the like. I four five games and hope the player. The teams are terrible because cows teams are so young and i still want them to have a couple extra weeks after camp cow. But this year. I don't think that's going to be as much of a concern so even though ideally you want some of these teams i. It's not as important. I don't think yeah also this year after the duke game we have like nine straight games against terrible teams. I mean after duke. Here's the schedule robert morris. Mount saint mary's ohio albany. North florida central michigan southern it's a murderer's row right there. So you get seven chances ri- to get your team good. Yeah we're not hear any excuses about anything. Going into the sec freshman going to kick it around that sort of thing you you kick it around in these early games. Who's up next. Michael michael michael matt first time longtime who are man. I'm calling you from albert county. And i got season tickets and i'm super excited about this season Do have a comment about saturday I was watching. Sec born in. We have peter burns. And chris doering and i love seeing them give kentucky all kinds of love. It's been a long time coming. Well that's truth as we just saw. Just play with doreen and hester. You know we're getting a lot of love now. You gotta now you gotta do you got your first two games going to be missouri and south carolina. You should win them both. But you gotta go do it and then if you do. You're awarded with the florida game where you could be ford. Oh and the whole country will pay attention because it'll be a game like oh no here. We go that'll be a game. I don't think it'll get game day but it'll be in consideration if we're four. No especially in florida. dutton embarrassed itself against alabama. So i i agree man. It's an exciting time to be a uk football team. Hey and i truly believe. We're gonna be florida and lsu and right the georgia game. I watched them play clemson. And i really think Georgia's offense really had a hard time. They is pretty good. I hate to cut you off right. It's nice to hear from you. My man at core we know game days are scheduled but injuries are not. Don't let aches pains or an injury. Slow you down. 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Tell them no ice put. The ice in yourself is at your house. Don't you mean theory. I have is theory do you. Don't there's no theory in theory. I could make some. You don't have an ice maker. i mean. I have one stone-age of refrigerators. Or what you like those little trays. You've got to put. The water ended. Gosh you put kuwaiti in kuwait flavored. Ice right that's a good treat. Yes it is these refrigerators. That actually have a button. Just push it is comes out when i'm when i'm get a house i'm gonna make sure it has a state of the art refrigerant. Okay then you're going to be impressed. I can like then. I can take glass and push it up and water. Oh come out. That'll be order your fountain drinks. That's right lexington's own in chaos. Our caller brandy romance. She's called here number of times. She's called this show she. I'm trying to think she had a famous call. What was it about ryan. Oh she she went off on. Somebody was being negative. She was very it. Was the callers loved it. But i can't remember what it was. Do you think dr. I think she was upset with another caller who was being very negative. Yeah all right. Well anyway she would. We went all six. Oh six over. The the basketball team defensive them. If i'm not mistaken that's what it was. I think you're right about that. Well anyway she has been picked to be on a net flicks baking show. Wow she is. She's a she. She does baking she. Does these like crazy cakes. And they're they're very famous election too. People always get them. I think we got him did not have one for what for one of our parties. Yes we've had suffering brandy before. Yes you have. Yes good so anyway. She was picked and it's already been filmed but a netflix baking show. It's called like baker rama or something. I don't know impossible. is that what. It's called baking impossible. When does it start early october. I want to say the sixth all right so baking impossible. She's a contested. A listener and caller is baking impossible on net flicks. And i'm going to be pulling for. I don't watch cooking shows. 'cause i'm like if i don't get to eat it. Why am i watching it. But i will watch it for brandy and go kay. Sr caller brandy as she goes after for the six. Oh six baking impossible. Yeah we all need to get behind her. She's one of us. You know so yeah. We also enjoy whitten. Take part in helping. She'll make more some cakes for us. That would be great. I would really I would really like that if if she wants to. That would be fine white. Tom out of out of corentin. The reds and the cardinals have a three game series this weekend. That's huge for both teams. If the cardinals don't win the series. They're probably out with the reds careful. They're going to be out. They've lost five straight series yet. They're still only one game behind the padres but ryan. This is a big series this weekend. Reds cardinals. I think the cardinals have to win two three. Maybe have to win all three the reds if they could win two three probably knocked the cardinals out but they gotta stop the bleeding. So it's a big series for both teams. Yeah i was kind of surprised. The cardinals won the series with the dodgers. Maybe they're three or four main. Yeah yes alert. And the dodgers seemed to be right falling apart at the right time. So may we caught them at the right time. But yeah you're right big series for both teams coming up right now baseball statistic. That seem crazy to me. What's that the yankees just got swept four games by the blue jays and it was the first time since nineteen twenty four. But they've had a four game series where they never lead in any gay. Wow isn't that amazing hundred years. It feels like that would have happened at some point. Yeah so it's only four game series though right so there's not a whole lot of four game series throughout the course of a hundred years if that happens five times in a season. It's still five hundred series. You know still impressive. Yeah so maybe everybody's not as impressed. I often just thought that was a crazy thing that they never had a series of one hundred years. Four games where they never lab once in any point. But i guess i'm easily pleased. Who's next benny benny harry. You've been doing. Good doing good. My question was Following up where bachelor tripping enough and headed to st louis in the card so to follow up on their question for ryan. We're gonna hear a pre game speech and so is the banana. That'd be part of appreciate the i'd love to do a pre game speech. Unfortunately we're not in public. So we save those for in public ryan. Maybe you can do one at the bar on saturday to make up for the fact you couldn't do one today. Yeah should be limits millbury today. One of our favorite spots. We didn't head to cancel. May maybe we'll figure out a way to do it tomorrow. Hope so freddie by the way people ask me about the game so you can come for the pre-game obviously we're doing the shuttle to the game. It should be a fun environment. That'll start our pre game. Show starts at three thirty but literally. It'll go it'll probably be earlier that the people are there and they'll go up to the game but if you wanna watch the gay i say this a lot. I think people think you can't come watch it there because it'll be crowded lie. Last week we had open seats for the gay. Just plan on getting there about seven o'clock. Okay because the place clears out the place clears out for the game. Everybody leaves and then we've got some time and you can get a seat to come watch the game. I think ryan that'll be a fun place to watch the watch the game. Yeah all the early people the pre-game gamers they leave to go to the game. So it is. It's a great time to come and get a seat to watch the game. Which is going to be an awesome environment in here as well on saturday night tomorrow night. Yeah i think it's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot of fun but just know if you're somebody who's like i'd like to come watch the game. Get their six forty five seven. You'll have a table and it'll be and then if we win we will have the game drink specials to celebrate what is going to be a heck of a season. Who's next chad. Chad chad I i agree with what the guys With the sec. Football about everything said was good but why they saying that we need extra wide out help. We got wando and josh. Well i mean. I think probably because they want to see it for more games. I mean look drew if both those dudes play at the level. They played against louisiana monroe. You might not need more wide l. But i think there's a part of it. I think people want to see especially ali kenny. Do it against scc defensive backs. Yeah those two guys are they mean just more depth people around them. There's no problem at wide receiver one and two. But there's a lot of unproven players and inexperienced outside of them with the exception of maybe eps being the trusted third. Yeah i i mean. The question is not appreciate the call. Do we have a third or fourth guy ryan. Because you know you can sec. David insists can key in on one guy. So you got to have more. I mean we've had years we've had no options but we probably need more than two etc. And that's why. I think people are expecting to hear from josh l. e. i mean he was the one and only guy last year so defenses could double team him most of the tax. They knew that was the only guy that was a threat from the receiver position. Now you got one day on these other guys josh. Now seeing man coverage he's going to have that's what people expect him to have a much bigger year because he's going to be more open more often so i mean he's still need to develop the mag would kid. Somebody's still i think. Step up and get some reps in there but they want apps can do it. They want him to be the guy. The big twelve officially invited houston central florida cincinnati and. Byu when this initially happened. I'd said those three in memphis but actually. Byu's probably better than memphis because you get the whole mormon population which byu has its own network. So they get. They have a lot more fans than you would think. I don't know if that will make the big twelve drew a power conference. I don't know if they'll keep their playoff Playoff thing but i think it's the best they could do. I mean if you were picking who you would want. I think you'd probably pick those four schools. I'm not sure who else they would add so for the big twelve. I think it was the best move. They can make pat him on the back because they got the best names available. But it's still not great. I mean the big twelve whether it'll be compared to what it was not even close. And i think it's on its way down. I think it'd be tough to keep that playoff spot and being one of the top conferences with the group. They have but as you said it's all they can do so. I guess good job. It'd be good basketball conference. I mean from a basketball standpoint adding houston in cincinnati. You know i mean you. There's a legitimate argument rien. Houston cincinnati could come in and be the second and third best program in that conference in basketball if they if they start playing well. Yeah even football cincinnati houston. They were top. Ten made have been at top ten at some point last year in football in central florida two years for move and having that great year in basketball with byu maybe our boy mark pope can pull off some big wins and build a nice resume and be a neighbor on down the road. We can consider. I mean it's not texas. And oklahoma. But i do think like there. The fifth best conference but i think they will be distinctly the fifth. You know what i mean like. They're still going to be a big gap between them and everybody else so there is value in that. I mean. i think it's the best he could do. I think the one to watch as central florida. Now that they're in a good conference. I think that could become a power program with gus malzahn. There you know ryan. I think that's a program that thing could take off their if they're able to stay in that conference and that conference stay together. Yeah you're right like i said. All four of those schools are really kind of up and coming football school so that definitely helps helps them a little bit certainly better in kansas at football five. Oh one ten eighty we will take a break. We come back Ryan have your stockton thing ready. We'll be right back already. Talked to matt jones and the crew. All the clark's pop and shot phone line at five to seven one. Ten eighty or one eight seven seven four hundred eighty p blue and you kentucky sports radio on talk radio tenny. You know sometimes see a headline and i say to myself. I would read anything about this store anything. I saw that headline shannon just now. Can i read you this headline. let's see what is your congressman. What congresswoman eleanor. Holmes norton from dc. A statement today denying responsibility for letting loose six zebras that have been on the run in the dc suburbs. What all right. So there's parts. I like about this first of all the woman congress. Why did she have to release this statement. Did people believe that this congresswoman let the zebras loose and if they did why would they believe that. I mean all the suspects drew and i'm sure there are suspects. You have six zebras running around. How do you get to a congresswoman and say. You know who i think did it. The co like. If i found out six zebras were running around lexington. I wouldn't immediately suspect andy bar in less. Your local congressman or woman kept zebras. And then maybe in this case she did or does have zebras. Those zebra collect or maybe advocating for the release of zebras. Well this is. I mean first of all. I doubt she had him in her yard. I think that's illegal. I would assume it's from the zoo. But maybe not. Secondly i've lived in the dc suburbs. Can you imagine going outside your house and seeing six zebra thrown around saying no. I can't i would think they were horses. That somebody paying stripes on. I was just thinking you've all the animals to to randomly. We see zebra might be the one that. Throw me off the most exotic bird thing to see in your front yard. I think if i saw lion i'd be more scared and freaked out or maybe a giraffe but zebra would be up there. And they haven't caught him yet. So that means ryan there six zebras running around the d. c. area still puzzled about this congresswoman like assault. She tweeted solid alibi. Yes she said this quote. Let me read you. The quote. I was at my local news is reported zebras. Were let loose on saturday or sunday period of time which i was enjoying quiet time at home with my family. My alibi is solid quiet. Zebras i kind of feel like we're all going to have to release a statement now so we're not accused. Retinas suspected her really. I'm really fascinated as to why she was the suspect. There's got to be a good back story. I don't think they just point it and say hey you you're the one who we suspect. There's got to be a good reason. I got to know more about this. Don't you yeah. yeah. I mean that okay here. This is the paragraph. The charges were made known when a member of the public noted historically norton has valued the principle of consent of the governed and has been known to oppose unnecessary fence fences general. Zebras ran just doesn't like in general. That's what i'm hearing from that about. Not like fencing. so she must have released zebras. She's known fence hater. In that alabama was strong. Our family's always going to bag bausch vouch for you need more than i was at home and like to use the word alibi. That seems. that's that's acting like. She's got some guilt there. You know what i mean. Yeah maybe she is involved. She's trying to throw everybody off. Let me taste them. If i if a congresswoman let zebras loose i i love that and i wanna know. They still haven't found this zebras zebras up. To what are they doing. Fine why to dc can they. Maybe they moved on to another city. Imagine you're just walked right driving down the interstate and you see six zebras just hanging out. Well they're going to follow the reflection pool to be honest with you. I would find the zebras being in. Dc much weirder than out on the inner stacked. Imagine you're just like going to the capitol and you just see zebra walking around. I think my slip. Something in my drink. I saw zebra walking around. Dc yeah downtown dc or somewhere pretty fascinating story. I'm going to spend some time after this show reading more about it. Who's next t- pt. How're you beating. call first of all. I too have a solid. Alibi did not let zebras out. Okay so i'm excited as anybody for will love us and to see what he does against missouri and that comes as survivor kooky jones era of kentucky football and a lot of really bad quarterback play and the thing that really hung's me though is after all that stuff last weekend and eating bananas and that's all i saw everywhere is how come kita banana company has not given him a big fat endorsement deals. I i don't know it seems like a slam dunk. Because if he ends up really good. Don't you wanna do that. Maybe their thought is that they're getting all this free advertising. So why pay for it. But i think we'll have a chance to to be like one of the big endorsers. He's number three on social media of all college football players if they were to somehow win and then beat florida. He's going to be a national star. And i could see him cashing in on it and it's already working because he posted an ad for nfl. Sunday ticket on instagram. The other day and it reminded me. I need to sign up for it. So i know he got at least one customer for them there and there with the banana thing. I think people are buying them so much chiquita. He's don't need to do their numbers or through the roof right now. They're just gonna let it be as it is. It is amazing. I mean this is a kid that six months ago five months ago whenever it was rhyme. We'd never even heard his name and now the sudden he's the biggest name in the state. You're right yeah backup pinch states backup is now one of the top college quarterbacks in the country right now just a matter of minutes. Yeah i appreciate the call. I i'm just gonna freely admit to. I'm distracted by these zebras. Because i want to find out. I want to find out more than anything why they suspected her. That's what i really gave a kid. Just be that. 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She did one song and then they sang and then she closed the show after in the ceiling. That's what i would have done. But i'm glad you like her. Enjoy your orlando group gerry. Nice to hear from you all right so tomorrow night. Let's see we gotta pick argue. We gotta pick our scores very quickly. Shannon what do you got for kentucky missouri. Twenty seven twenty four cats ryan thirty one twenty four cats right drew me go thirty one twenty cats all right there. I'm going twenty eight seventeen cats. I think you are giving these teams to many points. But i like i like what kentucky's go do. I think we're gonna win. And i think it's going to be a heck of an atmosphere. I hope if you get a chance you go not come join us at the bar. Tomorrow got nfl. On sunday as well enjoy this weekend. Long time common. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Pre-game show three thirty two bar free thirty. Tomorrow's pre-game spit bit case for the chinese menu in.
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Wavings on here. So we've got feel on show. We can do it without them to be here. It is what it is totally earth. We're told you find it takes eleven guys not just one ultimate saints for we created leave individuals. The you're not getting younger. So when it depiction tottered antics will win and today, we affirm he come to one person doesn't make or break. We've got a lot of weapons we'd like to have mouth there. But we've got guys that can make place for the Steelers. And we're we're the Steelers and we're gonna play. There's an intriguing topic for our football Friday. The Pittsburgh post gazette reporting that all indications are the Steelers plan to use the transition tag on free agent running back levian Bill reporter, Jerry dulack under no circumstances with the Steelers consider actually keeping bell. The idea would be have bell signed the tag matching an offer sheet from another team and then trading Bill for compensation. Years now, the transition tag works. It's a one year tender an amount. That's the average of the top ten salaries that that players position. It guarantees the original club the right of first refusal to match any offer that player received from another team. It can only be used if the franchise tag is not implemented by that team. And that off-season got it. That going out the door. Then. Hi. Welcome to NFL live here with Dan Graziano Tedy Bruschi, I'm Suzy kolber. What are we calling this teddy today? Yes, speculation stations. Let's go Soo. Right. And so the rain just pulled train. All right. So we're going to take this bell stuff and run with it. Remember he sat out all of last season hoping to stay healthy before signing a mega deal. So break this down for us. What does this all news first of all and that graphic it says average of the top ten at his position for transition tag? But since he's been tagged before twice with the franchise tag. The CBA indicates that it would actually be one hundred and twenty percent of his last negotiated contract. Which would be the two thousand seventeen franchise tag of twelve point one million. So the transition tag would be fourteen and a half million. So that's one thing to factor in here. There is no reason for the Steelers to do this other than pure vindictiveness in spite that's it. I mean, they does not gain them anything to do it. In fact, if they tag him. And someone else signs him. They don't even get draft pick compensation in return. They don't even getting a sixth or seventh round pick. Now, we get nothing in return. Now, they could you know, if they tag him, and then rescind the tag, then there's a rule that says you could seek and still be eligible for compensatory pick. But it's a it's a weird game that that they're sort of seeming to threaten to try and play the ultimately, I would be I'd still be surprised if they did this. It would be very rare to see it and NFL team make a financial decision this size just to just to spite a play, and it would take his ration- too. Right. Well, not really I mean, if they transitions with the way the transition tag works is another team can make an offer. And then you have three days to matching. And if you don't match it he goes to the other team he'll get drafted compensation. If you do magic. He stays on your team for that deal. But the Steelers and we've talked about this before on the show. The Steelers have very set way of doing their contracts, which is the only guarantee they put in a contract is the signing. Bonus in the first year salary. That's it. They don't guarantee anything beyond the first year. So it would be very easy for a team to design a contract offer that the Steelers would match guarantee him a million dollars next year, and this deal, you know, they're not going to do that. So the whole thing seems like I'm sure this is they want to exercise some degree of control over the situation. But ultimately, I don't think they're going to be able to as a player in the locker room for the Steelers. If there's any way we can better our team if you want to do any type of texture get a draft pick or something like that. But if you're saying there's not, and if this is like a move of just spite on on the way out I thought we moved on from this can we just move on from this. Let him go somewhere else. So we can move on as a team. That's what I'd want. So we haven't seen him play since January of twenty seventeen in the divisional round. Can you remind us just why you know, what I think we do because we haven't seen Levy on Bill play in so long, and it's like, it's flashback Friday. So just a quick reminder as to why we keep talking about this guy because he can change. Offense and make them a lot better in a couple of different ways. And that's been his position throughout the contract negotiation. I'm not just a running back. I'm also your second or third recess. Right. And I think that you know, that's part of why he has held out. He skipped the whole season as we know because he didn't feel like the Steelers valuing him sufficiently any wanted to make sure to get to the market healthy. So the questions now become do you think sitting out a year hurts his chances of getting that big contract? You think it helps it I think there's a little bit of Pinon both ways on that around the league right now it'll come down to these teams that have a lot of cap space. Are they willing to give him the Todd Gurley contract or bigger than that that he is seeking? And if not then that gamble of sitting out a whole year could end up having backfire and besides Suzy that old film was showing you do I need to see him. See him physically. Do I need to have him work out? I need to see what you can still do. I have no idea where you've been. And so it's not like I have some tape from last year to say, this is way he is. What's your weight? Eight all of this stuff. Have you been working out who you've been training with a lot of questions that you would want to not only have answered but also see him different than the other free agents who have that last years of film and just to correct myself. It's the divisional playoffs twenty-seven seventy in. But it's January twenty eight. Wait is all as what I made it out to be. But still he's a running back in his prime. He's about to turn twenty six and he has fresh legs if there's rust with that. Yeah. But he's running back with fresh legs. That's not something, you know, he's he's a healthy running back. His years old the fragile right? There is a few years under thirty. You've got a lot of good football left in them. The off season rolls on our Adam Schefter reported this morning that the Broncos of informed linebacker Brandon Marshall that they will likely not exercise option making him an unrestricted free agent when the league year begins March thirteen the oft injured twenty nine year old Marshall played in eleven games last season. And he tweeted much love for Broncos country still not over yet. But being injured to and the last three years after the Super Bowl killed me. That's life land on my feet as I always do even week of news in the NFL one of the top headlines. The proposed trade of Baltimore's one time to bowl MVP quarterback. Joe flacco to the Broncos the trade can't be officially processed until the new league year begins, but will this off season be as busy with trades as the last? The twenty eight off season was filled with trades. The the chief ship Alex Smith to Washington altering relief starting the Patrick Mahomes era in Kansas City Cleveland needed some wide receiver helps GM John Dorsey went out and managed to snag catch machine. Jarvis Landry from the dolphins. The giant set Jason Pierre Paul to the bucks Tapis twelve and a half sacks and twenty eighteen with the most by books players and Simeon rise in two thousand five after one year New England the patch trade at deep breadth Brandin cooks to the Rams marking the second straight off season. Cooks have been traded and ram moves. Certainly didn't stop there. L A beefed up at secondary by trading for Keith to leave from Denver and acquiring Marcus Peters from Kansas City, as we welcome you to the film room. Brought to you by Verizon, Dan, how active do you think this trade season? There's going to be I think it could last year could start to become the norm teams are more comfortable with it than they used to be the way competitor. Tori picks work now where you can trade them that has an impact right because you know, there's more pixel valuable to trade and player for player trades become more popular for similar reasons. Because teams are so conscious of that compensatory pick formula. We lose a free agent. We might game when we sign a free agent. We might lose one you trade for a guy. It doesn't cost you anything in terms of those draft picks so player for player trade keeps is a way around that. So as teams become more comfortable with it. I think it will continue to be the norm. And as we continue rolling into speculation station now on ESPN. Plus, a panel of NFL experts answer questions to set up the offseason in one of the topics. They predicted off-season trays that help both sides. Start your free SPN plus trial today by downloading the app or visiting ESPN plus dot com. So Dan since you are part of this panel. Let's start with you your trade scenario. Jags trade running back Leonard for net to the eagles for quarterback. Nick foles. To problem solve how about that for net. Obviously if the Jaguars at the end of the season sounded like they were done with him. You know, talk talk about voiding his guaranteed money as a result of his suspension. They didn't like, you know, they kinda in and out of the lineup. So yeah, I mean if they're done with him. He's got a couple of years left on his working deal. The eagles are done with holes. They're not gonna pay him what he wants. And they're going to go back to Carson Wentz. They need a running back. He'd be like their Garrett want from a couple years ago. Only only better. I don't know. I don't think I don't know if it can happen. But I like it. I mean, I think it would solve both teams problem. Sure makes sense next up. Had this is for you. Teddy fantasy writer Mike Claes trade prediction dolphins trade wide receiver. Devante parker. The colts for quarterback Jacoby present. You think this makes sense? Well, it it does for the Miami Dolphins. Because I mean, they need a quarterback Ryan tannehill. Here comes to Coimbra sat and he's the type of guy that no his teammates love him. He's a hard worker. He can get things done as you're trying to develop a system and also also on defense also. But I'd be careful. I don't like this deal because the quality that Jacoby precip provides as a backup quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts. I just know he's valued in that locker room and getting rid of that piece all of a sudden you have Andrew luck. What happens if it's a minor injury in Andrew has to miss one or two games? I think Jacoby that type of player that can go in there. You can go one in one get lucky, and maybe when two games that's a very valuable piece to get rid of GM's talk about that the backup quarterback is not the fifty third guy on the roster or even close it's a very valuable position. Because as you mentioned, you never ever know what's going to happen to your quarterback young quarterback with starting experience. Here's what Chris Ballard said the general manager at least publicly it would take somebody doing something. That would absolutely blow me away. So it does sound likely. He's gonna be doing. No offense. Devante. But I don't think at this point. That would do it became, Dan. Here's the next one field Yates, his trade prediction that helps both teams bills trade running back Leshan McCoy to the eagles for twenty nine thousand nine fifth round pick. What do you think about assuming for net full straight falls apart? You know, this would be a good fall back. No. I mean look at McCoy. Obviously a strong connection there started his career in Philly didn't want to leave got traded when chip Kelly was running the show there. So yeah, it would make some sense. The eagles are going to be looking for a running back that can kind of be the guy in that offense. And McCoy has a history of that. What's he got left at his age? It feels like it's been four or five years speculating that la- Shawn McCoy is almost done and and last year, obviously issues, but there are a lot of issues in buffalo periods. So this would be a guy that I mean, the fans would probably love to see him back. I think that'd be a nice reunion. Yeah. I mean, Shawn McCoy can still help a team. I mean, I don't I don't know. I don't think he's the every down running back that he is anymore. But you know, this is a guy where you get a good offensive line in front. Them. He can still have production. Final trade prediction for you teddy. This is from national writer Kevin Seaford dolphins trade quarterback xavien Howard to the raiders for the number twenty four overall draft pick. What do you think you're going to get it twenty four? I don't know because Bryant floor is going over there. I mean, he knows how valuable a corner is in a system a system that he wants to. Install there. Really? There isn't a system because every week it's going to be changed. And just like the way he used the fawn Gilmore in New England using them that particular way. So that's a very valuable piece for an unknown piece in draft capital. I would keep him in Miami. If I was Laura's in the dolphins, but is such a rebuilding privately didn't thrill coaching staff changes in the front office. And this is a player who at some point soon. They're going to have to pay. So if they were to move on from him, they would that would be the reason why but to get a first round pick. I mean, if this is a player that's gonna cost you money, and you're not one hundred percent sold and someone is offering you a first round pick as in this hypothetical situation, you'd have to think about it. If Howard embodies everything that floor is once in terms of a defensive leader in terms of the corner, he can do everything I want. This is a move where a new coach can say I want this type of player I'm talking about values. I'm talking about team. I I'm talking about unselfishness is this the guy. Guy is this is this my Gilmore or if he is I'm gonna show all of you on the team this. These are the guys we take care of these are the guys that we want around and you wanna contract play like how it has for us and embody what he's all about. And then you sit that standard and again nothing can be finalized until the new league year excess in March the thirteenth. Recapping our lead story, the Pittsburgh post gazette reporting that all indications are the Steelers plan to use the transition tag on free agent live YoM bell, her reporter, Jerry dulack under no circumstance would the Steelers consider actually keeping Bill. The idea would be have him signed the tag match an offer sheet from another team, and then trade Bill for compensation and this simply confirms what Adam Schefter first reported on Super Bowl Sunday. But again, we're you know, the off season, and this is speculation stations relation station. So yeah, we're going to go with this. And as we continue to sort of clear up exactly what this means. Well, if they put the transition tag on him what that means. It's would be a one year tender for in this case about fourteen and a half million dollars. And if a team another team could make him an offer a formal offer sheet, and if they do the Steelers have three days to match that offer if they don't he walks. They don't get any draft picks in return if they do he stays on their team, but reports indicate that they don't they don't have plans to keep him. So the transition tag, as we said earlier doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless all they're trying to do his best with judging by what you're saying. It's all a game right now. I want to get out of the levian bell game. If I'm in the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room, I want to come in to that offseason workout program where he is no longer insight and no longer in our mouths that we have to talk about and he has moved on. And so have we stopped trying to hold on if there's no benefit from it. I don't see why you should just move on from levian bell. And move onto the next thing. And that whole speculation station thing came about because this time of year, there's a lot of its Bill into a rundown. So let's build some layers into this discussion if that happens then so earlier this week ESPN dot coms Bill Barnwell wrote a piece called NFL's off season, Domino's about how one signing or trade this off season can dictate. Several more moves one will laid out three scenarios for levian bell. So let's look at them one at a time and discuss how plausible so number one Bill signs a five year seventy six million dollar deal with the jets, then what will the jets they have tons of cap space move that would make sense for them. If they're looking for receivers to put around Sam darnold. This year's market doesn't have a lot of those that blow you away. But as we talked about Earlier Levy on bell can catch the ball. So maybe a dynamic weapon. So if they if they're the ones that throw that huge deal Etem that would mean the raiders don't get him. And they maybe they turn elsewhere assuming. They're not come bring it back marshawn Lynch to play wherever the raiders are gonna play this year. And yeah, the running back market kind of flows from there. I think I think it's right that position bell as the big domino. But more than other guys can be looking for some money. And I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of Levy on bell during this there in this piece here, do I do I want to go to New York and work with a young quarterback when I'm coming from a quarterback. And Ben Rothlisberger that play that just gave me so many targets in such such quality play. Do I want to go there and go to a place where I'm probably the chances of winning the division are slim. Okay. With being in the AFC with the patriots. They're you know, Mark Ingram. If that's a domino. That happens there. You're breaking up now in New Orleans that chimera that Ingram type of running act sort of situation. So now that the saints are drastically a different team in the running back backfield. If that happens, you know, you say does he want to play for contenders know, it's New York? New York's on a contender last year chose not to play. So I think I hear what you're saying. We're in treating him right? And all else being equal with the offers are similar, but if this number here is a lot bigger than anybody else's. I think all of a sudden the jets start to look not too bad with a bigger number. Let's move onto the next area. And also keep in mind, by the way to with the Steelers how good the offense of line was. You're also not gonna find that everywhere extreme like raiders. But this would be five years eighty five million dollars to the raiders and shelling out. He wouldn't pay. There's a lot of Lille MAG Amaury coober, but you're gonna pay Levy on look, I mean, it would make sense, you know, they wanna make a splash heading Vegas in twenty twenty. This is a superstar player that would be someone who could help them do that and five for eighty. I'm just doing the mess. Five eighty five is seventeen year. I would I would think that would get it done. Teddy wouldn't you? That's maybe that's the number. He wants. That's that's a nice number about. You made Hugh. He's gonna get his carries. He's gonna get his targets Gruden in that offense. We'll find a way to give them those screen passes split him out as a receiver use him any way coach Gruden possibly can. Because he knows how skilled he is in. No, it's I don't know how much help you're going to get their Levy on in terms of. I mean coops gone. You got car are they happy with car how much production my going to have. But maybe this is you're right. Maybe that number eighty five expensive line to that not a bad offensive line. When you think about this gore gorgona the Steelers. Yeah. Deal one year deal. I think that's about where gore is at this point in his career one year deals unless he wants to retire, which he doesn't seem like he ever will. I. Right there to count interesting guy. Exactly this dream. You know, Washington has kind of I think they're interested in re-signing him. But he may he may have a market there may be a team or two that looks at him. You know, obviously, if he goes to Dallas, he's going to be a backup to Ezekiel Elliott. But there are places where he might be able to get some carries him what he showed last year is that he can still handle it. This is some pretty amazing indestructible older guys on that land. So this is this is a different stop on the speculation station here. So I'm liking how I'm liking how this ends with Mark Ingram returns in New Orleans and keeping that offense intact the power aspect of it. I just love that tandem so much of Ingram. Kamara hoping they stay together finding a way one more scenario central scenario for bell. What about five for eighty to the Niners honors make money? Yeah. I mean, this is these numbers are real. Then I think he's he gets interested. Yeah. Look at McKinnon jerick McKinnon who they signed last year. There is no more guaranteed money left on. Deal. So there's a situation where jerick McKinnon could be cut by the Niners without ever having played down for them because of his unfortunate injury right before the season. So yeah, I mean, look the forty Niners have high hopes to build an offense around Jimmy Garoppolo and they liked McKinnon a year ago. But who's to say, they don't like this guy better. He's obviously much more proven right in terms of all those things that McKinnon does for you. So they they have money to spend. They have caps faced burn. They have the quarterback locked up and they want to build a team around interesting flipping here. Now Ingram will leave the tandem that I love so much New Orleans and go to Tampa Bay and then C J Anderson replacing him on a one year three million dollar deal. So it'd be Kamera CJ Anderson is that same is that the same pop for that offense. I think you take a little bit of a downgrade their although C J Anderson did great things for the Rams issues. Not a bad deal for seven Coleman. Either. I'm interested to see what his market is like can he sell himself as an every down back? He's been part of a tandem there in Atlanta with devante Freeman. You know, he subbed in for him when he when Freemen's been hurt, but that you trust him to be your guy for the whole season. Or does he have to be part of a committee, regardless? This is a fascinating journey through barn wells mine and I thank him for the come. That's always that's always a shift. Really body wise in terms of when you become someone. That's in a rotational of job till all of a sudden, you're every down can the body. Hold up. Yeah. What if we Bill barn wells mine now, and you are now Levy on Belle's agent. What's the best fit? I've been saying the Houston Texans, and they have they have Lamar Miller, but they can get out of that. There's no more guarantee left on that. They're a contending team. There are division champion three out of the last four years. I believe you know, they they need to build their offensive line. That's probably going to be an offensive an offseason priority for them. But you know, Levy would our guy Polian calls a B Y O be back bring your own blocker like he can function. Even if the blocking isn't fantastic in front of him. So he could help you know, he could adding a guy like that helps you protect to Shawn Watson because he gives them another outlet. And all that. So I can't really. If he has back that he knows he can use in the passing game too. He knows how to do that could be good for him. But for me I wanted offered live. I want it all and yes Houston's a contender. I just like what I see in Indianapolis. I like to see where they're going. And if I'm live and I'm looking at offense of lines. I see that offensive line. And how was playing over the course of the second half of the season, man. What if I got behind that offense of line, and what I do that for just a little less money? I think that's what he'd have to come all though, they do have a lot of cabs. Nobody has more cap space than the got buddy. Big out the offensive line. There will be competitive in that south in the. Oh, yeah. So let's let's see what we can do. Wow. Wow. On bills age at the colts or a team you have your eye on and you hope that they're interested. We'll see if that's the case has averaged one hundred twenty nine scrimmage yards per game throughout his career. That is the best an NFL history. And again, it's got fresh legs than played all year. I can't believe it that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead I know everybody. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance guy. Go, oh are you know, projected increase in organic three revenue? Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Back on NFL live press coverage from the lions the team announced today they have released the following players wide receiver. Bruce, Ellington, linebacker, nNcholas Grizz be and safety global Quinn. The move will create six point two five million and cap space for twenty nineteen for the lions teddy. It's that time of the year. But Quinn that seems like a surprise employer that I loved watching all this time in Detroit because you don't have those players Suzy where you don't really know how they did it. But all they did was make plays play after play where there's a pick six interception. Breaking up a pass finding a way to get things done. Now. The Detroit Lions MRs play. Yes. As team start to analyze their rosters and then build toward twenty nineteen K. Are you ready to reminisce? All right. Let's go back this date in NFL history. February fifteenth nineteen Ninety-six Browns owner, Art Modell. Fires head coach Bill bell. Check after a fourth losing season. In five years. Modell had already announced he was moving. The franchise to Baltimore said. Marchibroda would become the first head coach of the ravens. The rest is history. Bill Belichick has won six Super Bowls. And is among the best coaches in any sport, the has the most championships by NFL head coach in the last fifty years putting him in the company of coaches like Phil Jackson. Scotty Bowman Nick Sabin. And Joe Torry Sabin is just one of several legendary coaches who have learned from and been impressed by Bella check over the years. Just winning. You know, it's the only thing that's important fan. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. And what he's been able to do y'all wanna start it better than Bill in any sports. Won four World Series. In the first five years. I was with the Yankees. Mike team never had enough of it. So that's basically what I see from the New England Patriots. Stephen. He can stay like laser focused to a greater degree for a longer period of time than anybody else that I've ever really been. Patriots won the Super Bowl their demons in success that you have to beat. He's been able to do that. Four. Yes, dynasty, really defines. The expectation for everybody in the organization creates a culture of accountability around that. Lombardi trophy is headed to one patriot place. Success can make you complacent can make you selfish, but to be at that realm of a success. One thing about winning all the time is that everybody puts on their Sunday. Best to beat you. They make a name for themselves. If they can beat the New England Patriots. He's number one for me. One for a lot of people teddy you played with him in the first half of his tenure with the patriots. How's the volved over the years will your initial impressions of him is just he's just to natio- you never stops. In terms of not only preparation like those great coaches are talking about. But the way he talks to you as a player the way he coaches you as a player the way that you know, he coaches everyone from quarterback to kick her. It's all the same. But still it's his ability to change in my opinion because that drama that was going on last year wasn't affect of him being two nations on a constant basis. All right, so fast forward to this year, having the most let's say team building exercises as they've ever had in that locker room recognizing that there needs to be more recognizing that sometimes the players feelings. Now have to be addressed and him finding his own way to do that. I think he's started to do that. Little a little a little bit. So he still has that ability to change and still has a fine line of not in getting too close to the players because letting them know there's always a hard decision to be made in if I have to make it. I will he did seem at the Super Bowl this year. I don't know a little more engaged like he was purposely, enjoying it more. Would you say if you notice that that's big because I've played in Super Bowls with him where yes, he's been in a good mood. But still he was still that same coach that you saw throughout the regular season. And from what I was told this postseason things changed from the regular season. His his demeanor. Changed us much more lighter his energy had more energy about him positive energy players like that eighteen straight winning seasons. So anything he does. Right. You're not gonna question good room and one of the things they've done. So well as put the last year your Super Bowl champs put that in the rear view mirror and move on. So big question marks around. The wide receiving corps going into twenty nine thousand nine rob gronkowski continues to contemplate retirement gronk, Tom Brady of linked up or seventy eight touchdowns the fit lowest by a QB receiver duo at NFL history. And also Chris HOGAN, Phillip door set. Cordeiro? Patterson are scheduled to be unrestricted free agents. You cannot talk patriots without NFL nations. Mike Reese, so hi, Mike. What do you think? What do you think of the whole gronk thing? We're waiting each day to find out what his future will be. How will that impact? How things play out here in the off season. Well, susie. You know, they were going to look at tight end regardless of what gronkowski decided. And now, you know, if he ever retired that would go to a higher level. I will tell you though, one thing boots to the ground here in New England gronkowski's actually been reporting to the facility a couple of times over the last couple of weeks. Whether that means he's coming back or not I don't think we can go that far, but it does reflect reflected he's in a good state of mind right now coming up this season. Teddy talked about Bill Belichick being a little different in the playoffs. Well, rob gronkowski as well. He seemed very happy leading into the Super Bowl. And after that game. What I'd say about gronkowski. If he's going to the facility over those last two weeks, I would say it's for treatment. Because definitely he took a big shot on the guy, and he said himself, it's swelled up and those type of contusions when you get hit on them without you still need those you still need those treatment. I would say I've been in those meetings with coach Bela check when a season ends. And he says this is an. Very emotional time or I don't make decisions within the next few weeks. That's what he's told them already. I know he's told them in that meeting. I know gronkowski hurt him. He's referenced it. Also, he's letting the emotions dissipate a touch see how sti- field Seattle's body feels. But I know there are points during this year Suzy, Ron Cousy was beat up, and he was beat up to the point where he was no, you can always tell but with around, rob. He's got a joy about him. Is you can just tell this. He's happy. He's join ful on this is this is put ball, and I love it. And if that's gone, that's what he'll start redetermined what he wants to do. All right as we await the answer to that. Mike. What's the biggest priority? Then for the receiving core. Well, you mentioned it you have Chris HOGAN, Phillip door set and Cordeiro Patterson all scheduled for unrestricted free agency. And you look back at how the patriots handled last season they traded for Josh, Gordon and all three of those players were already on the roster. And that told you they felt like they needed an upgrade last season. So I expect the patriots to look hard at the wide receiver position around the league weather Hogan's back door sets, backer Patterson, regardless of that that's going to be a position that seems to be a top priority for them this op seats, I love to see Patterson back. They have an extra dimension with him. They used tailback. I mean, he's a kick returner a lot of different things. He can do. I love to see him back. They'd have to retool definitely along that receiving core. Once again, this is a domino of the gronkowski decision. Because you can the slot receiver. Okay. It's Troy Troy Brown. Danny amendola, Julian Edelman, those type of guys. Now, there's only one. Bronc hausky. Okay. You don't just replace a guy like that a guy that can be have that type of receiving production and still be a blocker. If rob decides to retire. This offense is going to change dramatically and maybe they load up on more receiving threats. Let's flip over to the defensive side and Mike their sack leader for twenty eighteen Trey flowers, unrestricted free agent. How do you see that playing out? Well, susie. There's a lot of pride in the organization of how Trey flowers developed for them a fourth round pick out of Arkansas played only four snaps as a rookie, and then has emerged into a core player for them. And he's everything this program really represents in the sense of he puts the team first. He's quiet. He doesn't make waves off the field. And he's a very good player who's versatile and can play a lot of different techniques along the defensive line. What's going to be interesting to watch his free agency unfold is how there's more patriots influence around the NFL. Brian Florida's in Miami. Matt Patricia in Detroit, you could say Mike rebel in Tennessee. Bill O rien Houston does their presence. Elsewhere, maybe increased trae Phalle trae flowers value on the open market. That's a great point race. Because all those other coaches that have these philosophies Weser defensive system, Brian floors. I only have one it's whatever I decide in the laugh throughout the week and having a guy like trae flowers that can do all those things. That helps you get paid more. It's the scheme. But it's also having the great players like flowers that can implement that scheme because there's a lot of players on. This is what I do. I'm a I'm a D And get somebody else to go in there and be defensive tackle. And do all that stuff. I'm not going to do that flowers. Does this for the New England Patriots? It was the time that his production was actually under the radar led them sacks three years not anymore. And then what about let's have the discussion about what changes for the patriots now on defense with their DC gone. Your coach res the coaching staff in terms of Xiang. I wanted to ask you about him. What do they plan to do with him? Does he get the title? What's his role? What do you think? Well teddy. First of all, I'm fired up listening to you on the Telestrator when Trey flowers, it's February fifteenth, and we're talking football, I sort of want to screen right now and get get into right there with you Greg Shahnawaz here and Bill Belichick has long discussed how he loves the way he coaches defensive backs think about the patriots with Devon mccourty Logan Ryan Doron Harmon Jason mccourty, those are all players coached by Greg Shana in the secondary at Rutgers who have found a home in New England at one time or another. So what you're gonna look at don't think about titles. You know that teddy in New England Bill Belichick doesn't care about coordinator or anything like that. It's about working together. And as you envision the pieces coming together, it's Greg Shana with a big influence on the secondary. Bill Belichick is going to have a big influence as he always does on the front seven, and maybe a sort of pair those two things together with Bret bielema the former Arkansas coach who still here on the defensive line. You put it all together, and that sort of the picture that's coming into focus. It'll definitely be a collapse. Daration? But this is what's so valuable to me, and it's gone all the way back to the coordinators of Romeo Cornell. Eric man genie. Matt Patricia Patricia even if it was rob Ryan in in the linebacker rooms. Okay. You get Bella check in a team meeting. Any beats you down. He beats you down f you made a mistake when you played a great game or whatever may be. But then you break up and you get into the defensive coordinator meeting rooms. And if she auto is the voice he has to understand is he the type of guy that will bring the bringing the fellas backup what kind of mentality. Does he have be flow Brian Flora's after the m- my the miracle in Miami went in front of that thing unit and said, that's on me fellows. That's on me can shiong oh, hit that type of respect from the players, and Kenny give that type of humility when he makes a mistake. So the players were late say him because you know, what you're getting in the team meeting room McCord, you knows he'd seen it for a decade. You can tell Bella tests going to say before even gets in the room, Xiang. Oh, what are you going to be? You're going to be with us. Can it be? Positively. All right. I'm fired up to like, can you put your hand in everybody's handed which ended Mike? Right. And it's why it's always fun talk football all year long. Mike reese. For many reasons, we are looking forward to the NFL scouting combine native alive will be there all week plus on Saturday, March second for one to three PM eastern on ABC trae and the guys we'll have special coverage of the quarterbacks and receivers workouts NFL live. We'll have reports all that week on ESPN and NFL network will have their usual full coverage Tuesday through Monday, ESPN, ABC coverage will also be available on the ESPN app. And now this breaking news, the NFL, Colin Kaepernick, and Eric Reed issued a joint statement today saying that they had resolved their grievance that had been filed against them. Here's a statement from cabinet and reads attorneys for the past several months counsel for Mr. cabinet and Mr. Reed have engaged in ongoing dialogue with representatives of the NFL. As a result of those discussions the parties have decided to resolve the pending grievances. The resolution of this matter is subject to a confidentiality agreement. So there will be no further comment by any party. And this statement from the NFL PA today, we were informed by the NFL of the settlement of the Colin Kaepernick in Eric Reed, collusion cases are not privy to the details of the settlement. But support the decision by the players and their council, we continuously supported Colin and Eric from the start of their protests for -ticipant and with their lawyers throughout their legal proceedings, and we'll compare to participate in the upcoming trial in Brazil tooth and Justice to what we believe the NFL and it's clubs did to them. You're glad that Eric has earned a job and a new contract, and we continue to hope that Colin gets his opportunity as well. So Dan you've been digging into this. Again, you tell us what this all means was very surprising to a lot of people who followed this case. Because the thought was that, you know, and the union statement reflects a little bit of disappoint. Because they believe that some collusive activity did go on terms of keeping these guys unemployed and capital case sort of continues. So it sounds like the union would have liked to see the grievance. Played out. You know, the idea would be if they have played out the grievance and gone to trial. There would have been discovery. There would have been NFL owners whose testimony would have become public. It would have been able to dig into internal communications pre it safe to assume the NFL didn't want any of that to happen. And that this settlement is a result of a large financial payment to the to the aggrieved parties. So we don't know the details of it. Hopefully, we can find it out. But confidentiality agreement means it's be tricky. Then I'm confused myself. I mean, this is this is because of the so-called collusion and explained to me collusion. Well, it mean collusion is is a group of business owners in the same business conspiring to deny employment or to suppress wages or to engage in in business practices that. At the free market. So hang calling capper Nick in era that got together and decided not to sign. Another league is denied this Commissioner. Roger Goodell has consistently said, you know, it's up to teams who to sign who not the sign. The league doesn't have influence over that that's been the party line, but cabinets now out of work for two years. Eric Reed took until during the season to sign last year. Even though he's one of the top safeties on the free agent market. Just got a new three year contract earlier this week. So as referenced in the union statement, but cabinet remains unemployed. So yeah, this was an effort by these players and their attorneys in the NFL PA to sort of find out if the league was conspiring to keep these guys out of work. So now, we will not know if this was done if there was collusion against to keep them out of work. I thought this was all about them. On a mission to prove that it did in. I was looking forward to see if this happened. So if this did happen. I was hoping they would go forward with it. I would hoping because with this with this. Now is this going to assure us that this will never happen again? No, it doesn't because of the confidentiality because of the possible the possible financial payment and now Eric Reed. And Colin Kaepernick can't say anything about it or any knowledge that they have the case of anything that happens. So how are we better because of this moving forward? Now, if calling Kabir Nick and Eric read or happy, I'm good. That's good for you guys. But I just thought this was more about that. I thought though was something wrong that was happening based on call and capture Nick and Eric Reed based on their experiences. I thought there was something wrong. And that's something had to be fixed. And so now, I see this. And I think maybe there wasn't if they weren't willing to go to trial and willing to go to the means of exposing. Something that they felt strongly about maybe it was nothing in the first place. That's what I feel now. I mean that that they wanna take a check in sign a confidentiality agreement and move on. I don't know if it felt a faith felt that strongly for it. If this was their decision, I'm all for it. I just thought there was something more to this than what just happened. Then just this conclusion time being Eric Green is a Carolina panther just signed a new contract. Con Kabir Nick is not playing football. Still a lot of unknowns. Here. The wheeling and dealing really takes off an indie with GM's and agents on the same turf. It's spent lots of defensive talented hit free agency including dominating and SU who spent last season with the LA Rams on a one year deal worth fourteen million dollars thirty batted passes since entering the NFL in two thousand ten all defensive tackles. That is fifty six sacks ranked third among that position group and it's earned him three. First team all pro selections. Who is a super smart guy? So let's talk Rams. They have a ton of guys scheduled to hit three agency this off season many on the defensive side highlighted Viseu, and including markets Joyner and Dante Fowler on offense. There's running back CJ Anderson who bounced around last seasonable for signing with LA and late December. So with this lieu of unrestricted free agents left play LA or the highway there. They're on the road toward in terms of their salary cap. So they spend or will they not? So you set us up and you can react. Let's start with sue when he I think sue leaves. I think he's highway. I got the call. Rams have bigger problems because the apocalypse has happened. There's no traffic in LA. I don't know how this had nothing and L LA highway that looks like this. But if there were hypothetically one, I think sue is taking the car, I think this was a one year situation all along going forward this year and his greatest it would be to bring him back. There were no offense of lineman on that graphic. We showed they got a couple of those situations to address have they have some they have some issues. They're going to have to for me selfishly this first of all dumb consumer needs to be a bus there needs to be a bus there. And I want to say. LA's here. And I want them to kick that just a one mistake with Aaron Donald this man has earned a lot of money in his career. You missing one thing. He's missing that championship. You've gotta tasted the Super Bowl. You got a good team. Right. That right there. I would say staying in LA, go LA vehicles. We've gone next up Dante Fowler who was a great Pimm season pickup. But I don't know don't they need like a big time pass rusher. Like the lead guy. What do you think? Well, yeah. But the big time pass rushers aren't gonna hit the market. I don't think cloudy cloudy DeMarcus Lawrence Frank seek. They're going to get franchised if they don't get deal. So Byard Fowler starts to look pretty good. And he played well for them. And look their concern. Was that edge rush? They get that great pass Roche with Aaron Donald ensue. But he was good on the edge. Ky-ko's? He stays in a way. I don't think it could franchise him. When there's a reason why he stays in LA, and I'm gonna go this one right here on C that that's bastard than trains rusher. Is it going to speculation station? All right. Lies. He's going to be going around the edge just like that. And then if he leaves Aaron Donald going to feel like that because he had no edge rusher coming off the edge. And you need a presence like that. If you lose sue, you gotta keep hill. You got actually slowing down down with before they got Sally is leaving leaving sex. You gotta keep Aaron Donald happening. I guess. Anyway, who can't wait to see what you have in store? For lamarcus Joyner Marcus Joyner has been franchised two years in a row. So they can't franchise him with third year in a row they were in this position a year ago Tremaine Johnson, and they let him go. And I think lamarcus Joyner is let's put him on a bike. We'll be able to like it through logically responsible here because there's no fat you might as well take the bike. So I think he leaves. I think he gets a big payday somewhere else. And they address safety some other way just there pattern with the franchise tag. I think. After franchising and twice. That's probably. I'd have to say I'm with you on that one. I'll give you up on that one for the marches Joyner. Yeah. Nice kid. I'd say you can't pay everyone maybe a younger player coming up draft pick those younger developer players. They can do it that safety position. You still got Johnson back there? But he's definitely if you if you lied lose him, you'll definitely need somebody to play that middle of the field since he's on a bike ride to the raiders. Continue to bike such. I don't think they need to talk a little offense. C J Anderson often CJ, and boy what a fine he was sitting on his couch. Right. And in November December, and they they brought him in because they didn't think Todd new Todd Gurley was going to miss him games. I think I think I think he leaves. I think because I think after what he did, you know, look for jobs, and where we can get a little more McHugh more carries. Maybe a little more might this is what he did in December January enables him to cash in at least one more time a situation where last year he might have thought Radha time. And maybe it was over. He now has an opportunity he didn't have because of the way he performed for the rent. So I think he goes and get some money. I'm not sure I I don't know how they feel about Todd Gurley. You say one thing I put them your actions, speak another another another another thought in my mind is like why wasn't he utilized? I mean, do you like him that much 'cause there's something going on there? Do you feel like you need to backs? So if they feel that way, this would be be gotta keep so I guess I'm of the middle of the road. You have some young backs and some of them got hurt. So they may be bringing those guys back to replace. Yeah. He put that little guy America's because he's cute. Don't wanna see any of these guys. And there's so many question marks Hunia reinvest in who do you go after? I still think they'll have a strong team next year. I think the Rams destroyed. Very nice there. Good finishing up for the rooms. All right. We use them all the highway. It's NBA all star weekend and this year it's team LeBron against team Greek wreak as captains of the all star game. They got to draft their team. So we got the thinking what if you guys got to draft. Art from the NFL team teddy and team dance favorites. Okay. I'll take the first trip. I pick. One more game calling man. Yes. No. That's not how all right. My first pick overall. I'm going with Patrick Mahomes. I'm taking the league MVP. I want the defenses to respect my passing game. As soon as Mahomes walks on that field lift his arm. Patrick Mahomes did everything he could last year fifty touchdown passes. You see him scrambling around. He had the ability to move the movement, skills and the arm to throw it across field. If he has to I'm going to try to teach him to be safer with his decision making. But he'll be fine about my franchise s got the easiest pick of all time. I know I didn't even I didn't even talk. The only thing I like about it is now I can wait till the end to take a quarterback because I know you're not going to take one. So I'm gonna take I think the best player in the entire deep in Aaron Don, I'm going to best player in the league on either side of the ball this guy twenty and a half sacks from defensive tackle position. Nobody does what this guy does from his position completely unique player. A disruptor gonna be a nightmare for your. Mahomes. Okay. If he's coming after him in this somehow five on five football game. Okay. My second pick. He's so good. And because he's so in east so young that he only needs one name in that state. Kwon, I'm going with saquon Barkley running back the New York Giants. He can do it all for me with that quarterback. He's going to be a threat in the passing game. Just got a hand him off. And we talked about guys back in run without that offense of line in front of a Mickey first-person saquon Barkley. I'm winning some gains on the we saw firsthand this year. Didn't we running behind it up? Offense of line numbers struggling that was gonna be my pick. That was my next pick you've stolen my first two pig. Thank you. So good winning the coin toss or whatever I think this is maybe my next favorite running back in the league. And I liked it Alvin Kamara can catch the ball and he can run the ball. And he can he's an explosive player. I mean this guy can score from anywhere on the field. And I think in a game like this a five on five game where I gotta outscore Patrick Mahomes. I need guys that can hit a fifty yard. Play a sixty yard Blake. And Alvin Kamara can do that for me in a couple of different ways. So he's my running back after you stole saquon from okay for my third pick. I'm going to one of the most explosive humans on the planet, and that's odeal Beckham junior because I'm all about the catch and run the slants low quick screens and also he can take a deep. Everybody knows what he can do. And yes, does he have a little bit to deal with? But I can handle those guys might. You were mature you see young quality individuals. We'll get it done. You did not take my favorite receiver. I like this guy. I love him. I love him hind. He's nothing against del. They're both fantastic. But this guy technician at the position can do everything you need him to do. He's my receiver for whoever my quarterback ends up being. Okay, show me who my fourth. I gotta go deep gonna just. Pass rusher. Khalil Mack one of the best in like that pick. And since I can't get them. I'm going with von who was Khalil Mack before Khalil was. So well, we got our edge rusher who I got on my fifth pick here on Gilmore. You gotta be able to rush the past got score points, obviously run for this and covered down, obviously. And let me go to fund Gilmore best in the business. This year. It might quarterback need one. Need one and better than ever Andrew luck to take on crushing? You you're t-. There's no trust me on this. Exercise. Your Valentine's Day was yesterday. But teddy still crushing on saquon. It was a busy week off season. And even though it's the off season on Friday. Still means challenge flags teddy childish Pozo in honor of the NBA. Also, we can Hitler fadeaway champion right there. And I'm going to challenge. Joe flacco prove Elway right? You've been football limbo for the last year. People people wondering if you still love the game go to Denver have a good off season and work with your teammates. Make the Broncos a contender again in the AFC west Philadelphia Eagles enough with this nonsense with Nick foles. Don't franchise him. Let him walk. I really gaining anything by franchising might even hurt your ability to trade him. I think you gotta just say thanks for the job. Well, done Nick. And let him pick his next. Let him go here. Fader? I'm going chest pass Cleveland Browns. This is your anticipated offseason in fort ever keep it going you have young quarterback and finally hot. Nation for free agents. Don't take your foot off the gas. I'm on somebody like de Ford. John Dory who already grappling keep the momentum. Going to go on the show today. We had raking news and our last few seconds grievance. Resolve it, really surprising the grievance. The Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reed filed against the league for collusion has been resolved. Hopefully, we'll find out how much that cost his blood boiling. Data rates may apply to become okay for men to be Lazier softer fatter. We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever ageless male max patent-pending formula within ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. 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I'm the kathy bates to your james caan misery like the person who increasingly seems like the only one who's locking me in this main rural cabin and will never let me out until i record the perfect jewish podcast. That's basically right. yes mark. i'm your only friend. It's it's no exit. What happens if you don't get inscribed the book of life you have to podcast with lille it till raised until mushy outcomes and raises the dead. This is like an night shamlan movie. We died and russia. Shawna and this is. It is the rest of time. It's called midday team. Podcast the podcast. W amazing true crime. Podcast basically about resurrecting all the victims of all the other successful through prime podcasts. like cereal. We're just that idea minute here. he Modina simcoe cower in the middle of su coats your dwelling in your man cave as we speak not only my dwelling my man keep but today is not just a more deem listen cut. Today is the real day. Today was shauna. Mother for bringing rob push shana robot before we talk about hashana rabba. Let's clear the decks i. Let's say the stuff we gotta say first of all. We have a couple of great jews this week. You speak with. Jacques berliner blau the great literary critic from georgetown university. I know him you know. He has a new book out. That's about philip roth in which he loves phillip roth and yet he feels that we're to kind to philip. Roth basically. it's a really cantankerous jewish book. It's like he. Goes philip boroff on phillip. Roth and you guys are going to talk about that and here. I should say that even if you've never read fill breath. I think you'll find this conversation interesting. Because it's legal and jacques. Did you get the root of why the for brand. His name is jack. What kind of name is that for. A nice jewish boy i think. If you're the berliner bow family. You can't go. Jason wasting opportunity have to be shock. Berliner dr leonard blouse and then i had a conversation with hannah stein. Who portrays ben grosses girlfriend hero on. Never have i ever and this was set up by her dad. Who's in our facebook group so it was. The the level of sort of three degrees of julius was just awesome. Before we get to our discussion of hashana rabba. I just wanted to tell you one. Of every time the the great host. Sean they're great hosanna comes by on the calendar i think of our friends hosanna bar as we know her at a bar. I think of our friends. Who are we have friends. Who are evangelical christians lovely people. They sent their kids to arcades preschool one of their daughters is named hosanna and a one time. I set yours. I i think maybe just after the baby was born. I said i'm gonna have to caller hosanna rebecca ed. Of course you look to be completely uncomprehendingly. And then i had to explain to her that hosanna was actually jewish term that the jews had at first and and we have something called the great hosanna and it happens in the fall in a trillion years. She would never have thought that. There was a jewish hosanna. She thought she found the most. Jesus name she thought it was that there and i mean she was thrilled right because the these people they love. The jews was connecting her child to to the hebrew heritage but i always think of little little hosanna as the hosanna raba but explain what the for bringing is hashana rabba for our listeners. Who are gearing up for so many out. Sarah it's because we're jews and therefore sort of merciful by definition and because our lord is also very merciful. We play the long game of mercy and forgiveness right. We start by saying okay preparing eligible and you know. Come ready for the high holidays. They will be forgiveness. Then rosh hashanah be like okay. Book of life's opening you have until yom kippur tenfold. Since then young keyboard the gates are locked. The sounds way to final jews right. It's like your mother's saying like last last last last chance so you have until the end of the holiday of coat to change all the bad stuff. That might or might not have happened since you keep where. I'm giving a very kind of broad thing so every day you read hashana note Which is basically i mean. The hebrew word was. Sean is oh lord please save us you read some literally translate a supplication read. Beautiful poetic supplication to god. And here's the thing you know. I was driving this morning. 'cause governing this morning was like seven and a half hours longest the longest. I think it's so possibly outside. Did you go to schule for hashana rabba. I could not. But i did the whole shebang at home because i've gone to show thinking. Oh because actually today is is a yard site. I had baby brother who died in infancy years ago. It's yard side right now. I went to show last night to say cottage. And i think i've been in the past and forgotten that the morning service on. Shana rabbi is like twenty five hours long it is because you circle you circle the architect. All the books all the roles or the taurus. And you you circle seven times holding your lu- loves and it's amazing it's like do they. Also do in the service you know. And then they do and then they do these if you've never heard them if you've never heard a shana our listeners like hosanna who may never have heard hosanna. Here's what they sound like they for hip hop fans. You're in for a treat. They sound like this. I dunno mafia clan was shaggy. Bova shared the wgn. Michelle mcqueen was shares your thankless bay foolish or trevor to sheila guibert oceanic. Dentist antiquity seem ceremony an email. I'm the plan. Must be speckled commitment to show show. Show hoshi economical to share hashana. Yeah this is like busta rhymes man. this is like. it's incredible stuff. So you read these in there so poetic and beautiful and today as you said if you go to show you get to stay there until wednesday because you circle things with the lula which feels like a game of thrones. Love this holiday. If you had gone to show this morning you'd still be there so we wouldn't actually be taping this episode correct which is why did it at home starting at six in the morning. A great oshana robot to all of you and that means that many out. Sarah is coming. Which along with tissue above was the favorite holiday in the summer household. For just silliness of. If you don't know what it means that nobody knows what it means saying. Shinnied sarah just. It's fun it trips off the tongue. So can i go from the sacred the profane. And just tell you what's up in my life right now no unorthodox that'd be shocking at never going to get some bonkers news of the jews two things one our old. tv died. And so i had to go buy a new tv and now of course all. Tv's are smart. Tv's which are you actually just flip. Channels you click on apps and app. That's lakes and one is hulu and if you subscribe to cable. Tv when you click on little boxes. it's like a foam. I've seen this at my parents house. But i haven't really seen it before though. Apparently these are the tv's everyone's had for the past five or ten years. Sid had never seen one before she kept saying. Well what channel are we ought. Well we're not really on a channel we're gonna watch the off debt flicks now. Oh so are you using chrome cast from your computer. No it's actually in the tv she's like where's cronkite. I can't wait kong-kai wait a minute for thirty years. It's actually in the how can actually be in the tv. We don't have cable. Like that's wonder if i'm not usually the technologically savvy one in our household since much better at this stuff and also just better matt. She was econ major stem. You know anything digital binary code anything right but on this matters like her. Tv knowledge he basically wanted to go just the rabbit ears but when we got things up and rolling and she was watching great british baking show which just started its new season in beautiful. Thirty two inch. Chris colors splendor. It was all good. Our children however had one comment. Which is dan. you've got a new. Tv why is it so small because their impression of do tv everyone else who gets a new tv trades up to seventy inch tv. Okay so i- crtv story. And i raise you a tv story. We we had a tv for nineteen years. Twenty six years seventy three years like it's it was when you brought from israel's it would actually only got two channels only one channel channel one So at some point the tv started going and three or four weeks ago. I said you know okay fine. Let's go get a tv and we walked into the local. Pc richards and said i would like a tv. And they're like well. Yeah here's a one hundred. Three inch screen as i know no. It needs to be much mazda. The literally did not have an thirty like the smallest that they had was fifty five and they were so disgusted with me that i opted to buy this teeny tiny thing i mean. The man was literally questioning my man like your assurance. What of course there were also israelis like all you want. All you have is fifty five inch. Okay this i'm not judging but here's a freaky thing though. Some some kind of crazy sale. And i was like. Oh this looks nice. I'll take this and it turned out to be this new lead. Tv oh led have you heard about. There's no. I have not heard about this so this is like the most insanely high def tv. Ever and it's kind of freaking me out because like i actually don't want to see i hardly ever watch tv to death. I've seen those see. You can see their pores you can see make up. You can see where their makeup line ends on their neck. It's ridiculous i. I love the mets by. Don't wanna see the mets like this. I don't love them this much. I it's kind of like try to have some blurring us in gauzy nece. I was in a hotel room. One time and i turned on the tv. And i was seeing the actors. Nose hairs your hair's seeming hours. And i thought this is way to hide. It doesn't look it actually makes it look professional. It looks like they're actors blocking there. Seems on a set. B look like random people reading lines but they don't look like hollywood people anymore because you can see them to clearly very unnerving. I'm telling you someone. Someone needs to issue some kind of law about graven images. Yeah for we're well overdue for one her well overdue for that Here's the other the other thing going on in my life is i'm trying to get this. This book tour locked down. I went on facebook and talked about this two things. First of all you buy my book debut. October fifth second is you want signed copy will work something out with ben and i'll mail it to you. Just write to me at oppenheimer at talbot mag dot com but third. I have a gig in seattle on october tenth. And i have one in l. a. with barry weiss october twelfth at sinai temple. And that's going to rock the day in between. I put san francisco on my plane ticket on my big like five. Stop plane ticket. Thinking i'd pull something together. San francisco apparently. No one is left their house in two years even vaccinated people all of whose friends are vaccinated refused to go outside and so i literally said to friends of mine. Hey would you have something in your backyard for me and will sell books at cost and i'll read from it and i'll sign it and we'll all be ten feet apart and we'll we're three masks and like no. You couldn't do that dude now. That'd be bad like you'd you'd lose all your friends. Your kid would get kicked out of vegan preschool. So i'm going to be in the bay area with nothing to do for with. Nobody wants to hear me. Talk about my book from palo alto up to marin county that's You know anti semitism. It's is that what it is. It's if i were. If this were an amish book they'd come out for me at an. I dislike the bay area so passionately and strong. I don't i'd i've started. No i look some of my favorite places or the barrier some of my favorite people in the bay area. I just wish one of them would be like yeah. We'll pull together something in the bay area to talk. But it's really interesting because it's not like seattle is some trumpy bastion where they're like screw mass right but the jc in seattle is pulling together a lovely event at the jc. See in person. It's going to be no masked and an appropriate protocols or whatever and even mentioning this people in the bay area gives them hives like they plan to lockdown until the end of the gavin newsom presidency. Which they're planning for in other words just just to put bookends on it in your lifetime you've gone from attending a colluding optional. Summer camp to a mask mandatory event based this is the trajectory of your life. My journey on the left correct and the we all use their news of the jews outside of our own personal little narcissistic live. What else is going on in the world of news. The jews there are few small things and then one big thing that i know we would want to discuss at length first of all while we had very good holidays david rosenbaum. Alas did not. He was working. As a general manager at unilever's englewood cliffs facility new jersey. This i should say was two years ago. The lawsuit only happening. This holiday is in ran new and he claims he was fired for telling his superior. Frank alfono that he would take off for the jewish holidays and francophone. I said what holidays and david rosenbaum said sh menia sarah and frankly that's not a holiday and he said yes. It is a holiday. Then he said explain what it is that no one can and it was a whole thing anyway. Now it's a lawsuit and As always we wish the truth to come out now. Unilever if i'm not mistaken also owns ben and jerry's assault if we could fall the ben and jerry's michigan's into the lawsuit over whether or not the employee it new jersey could take off schmitz. Sarah we can have a sort of like one stop shopping for all unilever's problem love this man this is. This is the most genius negotiating labor union hitting tactics. You get to ben ben and jerry's but but we get some good dalia off and we'll start making up holidays. Speaking of making up holidays. I say sorry tended aggressive. But you know the joke that the gentiles say what. Sarah that's not a so i'm good dahlia. What so one of my daughters may or may not take some sort of sporting lessons at a given sports institution where. The coaches tend to be gentiles and the coach. Bear not have said to this child. So you're jewish. So do you guys do eat the jewish bread at which point the doctor said you mean hala. He said yeah. Choose bread hala. I would've gone awry but okay and had said yeah. On friday nights he said. Oh you mean for your sater's so she came home. She said in his world. There's a jewish bread they eat at the sater's and the sater's happen every single week. At like that's that could only have been cooked up by either agenda. Who doesn't jews or by a four year old jew who thinks seniors are fine. But let's have one every single week. It's either agenda who doesn't know you or to breast lavar who's like every week should be a seder every said seder. You know who's about to have a seder every week. Who's at that would be swollen samantha. The last jew of ghanistan who finally did the mental math and figured out that giving his wife get was worth the trouble of getting the for bringing out of kabul. He granted his wife divorce shot finally and now he's unruh to new york city right so he actually was staying in afghanistan so as to avoid giving his wife her divorce or gatt charming man. Charming man finally decided that living under the taliban actually wasn't worth it why is he to how did we luck out that he's moving to new york caboodle crown heights. That's your trajectory. This is just brilliant. This is for the jewish telegraphic agency quoting. I think article in new york post. He left afghanistan. Following the taliban's take over the country after it first rebuffing efforts to get him out. He now wants to start a new life in the new york city borough of queens where he has relatives. The new york post reported on saturday. I am a businessman. I'll do business there. Seven tove said in an interview with the post so he's as we speak. He's touching down in queens by where he's going to do a little business and two years from now he will by the mets vegas degree. Let once you guys. Want to go to queens. I wanted queen. Whatever you say pow. We really should check in with a blake. He probably doesn't speak english. His skills have been honed entirely under the taliban or us occupation whereas zwelinzim until of two years from now in forest hills or corona or wherever we will report and you will the side of finally before we move into the to the big item. I'm very excited. I have to tell you. I found you know i. I love buying books and sometimes reading them. But i found a new book that has just been published. That is really the combination of pretty much if you wanted to see what my inner emotional life looks like this in book form. It's a book until you the title of the book and you will know exactly what the book is about. The book is called ugly belgian houses and and the motto of the book is better athlete than boring which i think should be the official motto of of of the country of belgium. It's by the artist. Hanis could naisse from the great city of bruges. It's just pictures very ugly houses in belgium. This is so wonderful. I can't even begin to tell you how much joy this brings for listeners who've joins us in the last six months or so since we last picked on belgium every time where we're looking for a story for news the jews every time we have a week where nothing seems to have happened. It never fails some story of anti semitism in some small town. In belgium belgium the child rape capital of the world. Low country low morals. This will never ever get despicable nation with ugly homes For those who don't want to shell out forty nine ninety five to buy ugly belgian houses. It is based on the instagram account ugly belgian houses which has one hundred fifty thousand followers. And you could be. You could be follower one hundred fifty thousand and one but mark this morning in the most important news you had sent me an article that appeared in the new york times which really kind of touched upon a lot of things that we usually talk about what what was wonderful. I bet this is an op. Ed in the new york times by the brilliant sociolinguistic deborah tannin who teaches at georgetown and is the author of books. Like you. just don't understand women and men in conversation and that's not what i mean about misunderstandings and conversation and i love her work and i've talked about her work on the show before but today for no apparent reason she restated one of her great theses in an op. Ed in the new york times and it. Actually i know why now because it's pretty timely mass. Summarize the argument lille please do deborah tannin coined the term and again. We've talked about this. Probably three years ago in the cooperative. Overlapping to describe what some people call interrupting and her great point. Is that actually what we think of negativity as interrupting is often in conversations a way of signaling that you're listening so if you're talking on someone stares at you blankly with no affect waiting for you to finish. It's actually quite a nerve right. The only way we can have warmed friendly conversation that makes us both feel listened to is if the person somehow signals listening listening listening so they might die they might say a ha a ha they might say. I know what you mean. They might say totally. There's all these ways we signal it and one of them is by waiting for you to almost finish and then leaping in with your comment and this is what friends do with each other but one of our great insights is that it's actually cultural that some regions and some ethnicities more than others. So new yorkers tend to step on each other's sentences more than say people from minnesota or california unsurprisingly this hoods unsurprisingly this often codes as ethnic right so italian new yorkers or jewish american new yorkers tend to step on each other's sentences more. There's more interrupting them. Say swedish lutherans right because there tends to often be correlation with city. This isn't just limited to america. I mean in her book one of the really funny things is and i'm gonna get the specifics wrong but that swedes are always tied at other. Danish never stop interrupting and the danes. God the finns. I can't get a word. Edgewise and so whenever people from different backgrounds even different households come together. One of them is a little more interrupted than another but her point is that in contemporary culture all interrupting has been deemed bad. Because it's all about power move. It's all about who's who's going to own the room men interrupting women. Yeah it seem it. Seen as powerful people not letting less powerful people speak when in fact it's often people showing. I've been listening to you closely. And i'm so intrigued by what you're saying that now i'm gonna say i can't wait to respond because what you're saying is so interesting but my in fire. I want to talk. I wanted to. I was very early on this this ya. I was telling this really early to quite a metaphor a few years ago. I said there is something vaguely to coin. The most oppenheimer metaphor ever. I was on the yacht early. I my corridors and my i on this yacht several years ago i said when there was the whole thing about listening giving space to other people i said look obviously. There's some birches your. Everyone should get to talk. Which would always be mindful of whether everyone's getting a chance to speak. But i said there is something very anti semitic about this discourse in practice navy. It's not intended though it but in practice what it's often saying is the jew from new york male or female has to be less of a jew from new york so that the scotch-irish protestant from north carolina has a little more space persecuted. Minorities that they are. Yeah and the reality is we have to find ways for both of them to feel that they have space asking people who have grown up in a culture where some level of interrupting is showing that. You're engaged his validating the person you're interrupting asking them to sit back and sit on their hands and just be proper and bite their tongue the whole time actually saying. Don't be who you are. What's interesting about deborah tenants. She never uses the word jew. But it's like all over the but we know she's talking about. I agree with you completely and it's not just asking people to not be who they are. It's also asking the conversation to not be what it could be because you know if you want more interesting conversations you should encourage as tannin. I kind of generally makes makes the point. You should encourage precisely this type of dynamic because it forces people to sink under feet to be faster engaged to be less afraid less reserved which which brings us to another one of our beloved contoversial on this year show for which we continue to get dates male. I think five years later which is the whole point of people who identify as introverts. Marquetia how do you feel about trevor. Well i you know. I of course famously written op-eds about this myself i look. I'm married to an introvert. I love introverts but we have been in the middle of this introverts rights movement. You know the the susan cain book quiet. I was what helps kick it off and jonathan roused with his essay about tending to your introvert. And one of the things. That i the points i would make like. Look i did. Introverts are great first of all introvert. Extrovert there's no need binary. Everyone has hours of the day more one than other right. I mean leo you more than anyone. I know you like twenty five hours alone to sit and read you know. Marcel proust's and henry green henry green. Yeah that's true. You're not what needs to be out there talking talking talking all the time but there are realms of society that depend on their extroverts right. It's hard to run a good friendly. Tarja run a good seminar and teach people if everyone. There is an introvert. You really need your extroverts for for some of that. And i think i think over the past few years. We've been kind of on the defensive and getting a bit of a bum rap right and i don't think just layers of society think look human. Interaction is hard at any point even if it's with your closest friends. There isn't any challenge to being with other people. It takes work. It takes a certain level of performance. It takes a certain level of emotional investment. Even for those like yourself like myself who've been blessed with absolutely no filters and could just go environment and talk to everyone. Still you know i bet you you know that feeling right that you come home from super nice dinner party. We generally had to go time and you feel completely spent. Because he worked hard. You told interesting stories. You told jokes you listen you ask. Questions you engage. That is a a level of work. And i can't tell you how mad at makes me that today at seemingly completely okay for people to come in and just sit in the corner very quietly and b. I know i'm. I'm sorry. i'm not gonna put in this work. Well don't be in society. It's like a mask. Mandate you wanna be in society an extrovert. If not stay home. Stay don't have any talk vaccine going. I will say first of all. I completely like the idea that some were not innovated and spends by having to engage. Other people is false. Nothing and i've had this conversation with other journalists trade. Nothing is more exhausting than going and doing a few hours of interviews and having alderson actively and having to respond right having to nod and having to cooperative overlap and say i know what you mean it is exhausting. I'm and i do tell my kids you know you're responsible to be part of the conversation. I also tell them you have. And i don't always succeed but i do tell them when you are in the room with someone new you have to walk up to them and say i'm so what's name like you have to do it. It is part of the work and whether you express your bit of peak at people who come to the dinner party and then sit in a corner and their spouses. oh sorry. he's an introvert. I was literally at a dinner party. Let me just say about three weeks ago where there was a couple where one of them did allow talk in the other. One did not say a word the entire time and not only that. But this other one. And i'll say the gender of each of these parties is not important. I don't know what you're Are but probably you'd be wrong the other partner. They not only did not talk. They looked but they did. Kind of robotic owl passive. Look where you thought. Are you judged ily instead of you know smiling with their is. It's surprising as banks used to say on her show instead of nod egg instead of laughing. What other people laughed. They just looked and stared at you. Barely blinking and he thought to food stuck in my teeth. Am i saying something offensive. What is going on anyways. So socially inappropriate. It made my night so much worse that there was this and by the way this is someone who in their professional life has to talk. All the time has to relate people not someone yum. Can't do that. Because i know there are people who are not neuro. Typical in that way. They're people from. This is very hard and you always want to be mindful of that. This is someone who actually is quite charming. And quite chatty just didn't feel like it this night. This person was was jabbering. This person's resources was having a bit of lacouture more that night. Just just ingathering. They're they're chea-. Can i also say something. Two things one. You can stay home right. You don't have been parties. You don't have to go to this. Dinner party. Mandate beat zevulon simmons who have left afghanistan to escape. The taliban dinner party mandate he didn't so you don't have to go to dinner parties like you have to have cocktails at five every day. He's like oh. No the thing is that's a country you would actually move to. Oh my god in the hard beat the other thing is you can say to people. You know i'm really sorry. I'm tired united. Forgive me that i'm beat. Not being very chatty one-sentence just shows i'm with you. I'm spiritually with you. I mean. I have someone. I'm very very close to is not comfortable hugging and says to people who go in for a hug puts up their hand and says. I'm sorry i don't hug may offer you a handshake or in cova times. You know may offer you a bow or a smile and people are. This is a young person as a child and people are super charmed. People say that is so great that you vocalise your needs that way and it is. It's a beautiful thing but see but but that's communication that's king that's directing an engaging well listeners. Join us next week. 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He's the author of several books including most recently the philip roth. We don't know sex race and autobiography which is a A book filled with fighting words. A sassy racy book in which he talks about roth and raise robin me too. And recently he talked with the liebowitz for a sassy. Racy congress professor jock berliner. Welcome to the show. Leo thank you so much for having me. I'm really happy to be here. The pleasure is all mine. A brief kind of footnote unite met originally because of our shared complicated relationship. I should say to philip roth. You had graciously invited me to partake in a panel celebrating. I believe is what. What is it the eightieth birthday. Who and i then came out and said some very uncharitable things about the american jewish communities favourite living author at the time. And here you are some years later with this really really really remarkable book that i would like to discuss at length with but before we do help us understand it. You see at some point that this is a reverse biography. It's an attempt to make sense of the author's life by reading the work. What is it trying to do in the spokane and why choose this particular way to do it. I wanted to go coast to coast on him. I felt there was insight to be gleaned by starting in one thousand nine hundred ninety two and go into two thousand and nine two thousand and ten from the box of truths which which is his bucknell. Juvenile gory unfortunate bubble short story to the very final thing he wrote. I was being kind of a sociologist. Literature are say. Okay what are the pats what things keep happening in his fiction. That's what i wanted to get. What i wanted to avoid is what i call roth. Theun path dependency. That means asking the same questions about from abroad. Bet philip boroff kept asking and answering in his own fiction which will bring us back to reverse biography. He's asking himself these questions about himself. It's an orgy of narcissism. But it's actually quite good and quite interesting when it's good given what he did for the genre of fiction so my remits was to ask very different questions and in all honesty. It's very hard to do that. Because he is the most canvas american writer in the post world war two period so to ask. Original question is very hard. But i tried. And i think i got a few good shots and i think a couple of things came through. That are pretty new and fresh about you. Have a set of ideas of of notions of curiosities in your head. Are you saying to yourself. I am now going to try. And pretend like i've never heard about this guy phil i'm just gonna give him a first shot and see what by scholarly mind takes me. I think one question. I was starting to ask. Is how come my students are no longer five in with philip milton. Ross so it's kind of you're quite right. They were feeling him right so in the nineties. It was like high fives everywhere. People were laughing. They love the guy in office. There was rural or two or three grave voices at over the last five to ten years. And this is where i started. I started writing it in two thousand seventeen. I started writing it two thousand thirteen. I started thinking about it. The students were in a state of revolt. I even wrote a little piece which will be published soon about a classroom insurrection. I endured so the person i wanted to ask is. What's his legacy. If this young generation is not stealing philip roth. What's going to become a of his which is pretty massive and then there were questions about purpose. Oriole responsibility like what is my job in the classroom. Am i a cheerleader. You know give me a p give me an all. I what is my job as an academician and i kind of concluded glumly that i had to listen to these very smart students that i was teaching at george university because what they were saying was real and i started listening extremely carefully to the voices in particular of women and of african american students who were expressing admiration but also tremendous concern and difficulty with a lot of his somewhere. I assume a bearded middle aged contemptuous right of center. Hypothetical listener is listening and say oh. That's because today students are just a bunch of oke. Babies who did trigger warnings and can't accept great literature and need everything to be hyper politicized addressed this might some of the critique that students have been feeling have to do with this kind of political fashion especially in college campuses. The previous book. I wrote campus confidential which was about professors in the lives of professors. One thing i notice is for about half a belania. Professors have been calling their students. Dip shits So this has been going on since the reformation. And i guess i wanna be that professor. I don't wanna be the professor that looks at a bunch of eighteen to twenty two year old is as god. They fail on so many levels competitive by generation which was awesome because my professors were saying about me so the epistemological starting point is listen very carefully to what these kids are saying because it would be a cliche not i wouldn't call them a woke mop. I have real issues with these ideas of cancer culture and social justice warriors. They were struggling with it. They were struggling to understand. Why roth i'm going to go into my moralistic mode. Why did roth play that rape in the final scene. Portnoy's complaint for laughs. Alex portnoy is impotent. In israel he brings an ex patriot. American by the name of naomi back to his hotel room for purposes of sexual predation. She wants absolutely none of it and starts lecturing him on the failures of diaspora american jews such as himself in a rage alex portnoy physically throws her to the ground and tries to rid her and i guess the kicker is that she beats him up royd she stands above him and she kicks him on his chest so when i read that scene in the nineties a lot of students would laugh all the students were. They found the jury funding in the office. There were the dimuro's that i mentioned and by the last couple of years the first impulse of students men and women is. This is not funny. Man this is a rape. I don't wanna read sort in my life as a man. There's a scene where peter chargeable tries to murder his wife. It's very graphic. It goes on for pagers and he is absolutely brilliant as he's striking her arm so the questions that the students were raising as will wait a second. What is going on here professor. Is he liked that. Philip roth and this is where things get really complicated because we now know. I feel i feel that. What the book is establishing is. We now have a platform to say. Yeah unless proven otherwise it probably is autobiographical. So what do we do with that scene where he nearly murders. This woman who he later tells us was modelled on his first wife. Laura martensson williams. This is where the really uncomfortable hashtag nature questions arise. What is the relationship between reality and what we see in the fiction and where we see in the fiction is very troubling. hey but it's just fiction rightly but what if it's not what if again and again. He kept importing scenes from his real life into his writing. Okay doesn't mean we have to cancel him. I think we have to think very carefully. About what type of aesthetic literary operation is occurring and what we as readers or processing as we encounter this literature at the heart of the book is a question which has occupied at the anyone from grad students on balmy afternoons to serious thinkers and philosophers which is really the the connection between art and marathi. I want to read. One sentence was pretty early in your book. I think does a pretty good job of expressing the position that you take. It's not that immorality trump's aesthetics but that immoral conduct and aesthetics must be intertwined bias. The conscientious audience. This means that once we learned incriminating information about an artist our understanding of his or her art changes radically which i think is a feeling that many of us get when we listen for example to michael jackson these days or watch roman polanski movies. Say say more about this. Has this always been your position as a spin. Questioned troubled you. Is this something. You're new to tell us how you've come to see your way around this question. That was all these really interesting. Hashtag metoo writers. They brought me around to this point. And i'm speaking about folks like cleared the pronouncing the name correctly. Rachel tusk amanda hess and what. I understood reading them. They're not trying to cancel any. That is not their impulse. Which is why i get worried about. Woke social justice mobs and cancel culture. References that's not what these theorists are trying to do what they're arguing is. Would we consume a work of art. We can't be naive. We really have to think more carefully about the art. So in the case of michael jackson you know so monosodium say mama. Somma block who saw right prior to seeing was a cold return to neverland. Hbo documentary where it is alleged. That jackson committed all sorts of pedophilia atrocities. Prior to seeing that documentary. I might have been like say amazon. Or i might have been right but but now i'm like medicine alicea around. I'm still there. I still feel the groove. I still like his music. But my pistons are firing in my mind. And that's good that to me is a much more sophisticated aesthetic response than these idiotic. Aren't ennobles us. Art is a universal language. The title of my first chapter. Leo is art is slimy. I take that word from roth right. I feel i'm a better critic now. If i know these sad details about their lives and i think much much more carefully i do feel the need to at its best is trying to demand from us. A war intellectual profound disturbing encounter with the work of art. And that's great. That's what every literary critic every music critic every professor of art history. That's what we want to elicit from our students and by reading this body of were on me metoo. It made me think that this is what i should be doing. Feasibly permit me now to commit the uncharitable. Act of trying to bind you with your own rope. And i'll do this of course like every good sys- man should by talking about myself. The reason that i have always disliked fail-proof the reason i continue to dislike phillip roth and the reason why your book delighted me because it was as if someone actually took all my incoherent hunches and then actually went and did the work to confirm literally every single one of them is because i felt from very first blush that there was something deeply uncharitable deeply. Unkind deeply cutting deeply self-centered deeply nasty about humanity which is a condition that i actually thinks makes not only for terrible human beings but also for terrible art art being not just slimy but but in some cases of ultimate manifestation of ourselves so my questions are several first of all then why do we necessarily need the perspectives of shall we say identity politics to use of a very large catchphrase to come to this conclusion. Why can't we simply say what we dislike this person. Not just because he's horrible to certain segments of the population but basically because his ability to empathize care for other human beings in a very real way is clearly lacking. This is clearly an auto erotic journey that this man is embarked on for sixty odd years. And we don't care for that. Let's start there. So i think we have a fundamental epistemological onto logical disagreement about what art should be doing. I think you're saying. I don't wanna put words in your mouth leo that it should be kind of celebrating and and making us better people whereas i prefer one way of thinking of what great art does as it speaks the unspeakable. It tells us a truth that no other be it. Politics economics social science at the. They can't tell us the truth. That fiction fictional owned by the way for roth can tell us so. I don't even know if we're disagreeing. I think ross never wanted to uplift. Roth never wanted to make us better people. She wanted to testify. Using is considerable talent as a writer to what the world was like. And that's one great way of measuring a writer but ended up talking only about himself right. Yeah using himself as a universal which is really problematic of by later chapters. Has all these theories about what is going on inside inside a mind. And it's like. He's using. Philip milton roth as the universal subject. By which all others give me mentioned that's problematic. I'm not saying he succeeded in the project. But i think that's a good artistic project is a this is what life is like and only through the medium of make believe which is really important. Can i explain it to you. The reader the check off line is. We don't have to solve the problem. We have to correctly identify the problem. I think roth often does. He doesn't give us a solution to moral conundrum he says. Well here's the moral conundrum do with it. What you will but my characters this character did this and this character did that and it's not my job. I'm not a priest. I'm not a rabbi right. But look by no means. Am i saying that. Arts work or job or goal is to lift or beautify or praise. i. I agree with you. I think your definition was very beautiful. It's job is to speak the unspeakable truths. I think that per. That's the berliner blau in principle if you will. Roth fails miserably because all he does. And you show this better than i think anyone has. Because you do the scholarly work again. All he does is examined the increasingly darker increasingly more intimate chambers of philip milton. Ross which he then arrogantly stupidly nearly mistakes for humanity it is almost impossible not to compare this with bella which i think is a comparison that ran very parallel to ross entire career and and not to benefit. Bello transcends bella makes attempt to tell us larger universal truths. Bella makes an attempt to connect he makes attempts to empathize. An and this to me is where great art comes or goes. It doesn't have to be pretty or nice or easy to read or gratifying or or even particularly moving. But if it doesn't stem from a great source of empathy as for example. Michael jackson music surely absolutely does then. It's not good art and that's my point. I finished your book saying like right. That's actually why. I think that phil roth wasn't just a terrible human being but really shitty writer while that wasn't the nothing Yeah i i wanted people to be more along. The lines of what those metoo writers taught me is to bring in rots messy choppy personal relationships with women and think about how they informed. The work works of art that he produced and then think more. Go to some meta mode where you're really thinking about all the relations between what roth said. And what roth did zukerman. Who's not quite rough. And i like being in that space because it's a very contemplative space. Said it's a very it's up like being up in a cloud somewhere. And i want art to induce reaction in me is their great timeless unchanging work in rough. There's little i wanna point you to the ghost rider. Which i think is just a beautiful beautiful story. I'd also point you to the anatomy lesson which has real lessons for us on pain. By the way it's often said the anatomy lesson it's the only time that rossi character actually shows empathy for somebody else's suffering. I mean there might be a few other examples. But you're onto something when you. Where's the empathy. Where's the love. Where's the feeling fresh. At the very end of the anatomy lesson nathan zuckerman like strung out on vikes and cocaine and pot and he's just had his jaw smashed and he's walking through the ward of a hospital and he sees big plastic bin where they put the soiled gowns and he puts his hands it touches all human fluids right and then he looks at a woman that has a quarter sized hole in her jaw. I don't know what affliction she had and he thinks about the pain that she suffering. And maybe we're we're kind of on the same wave here wavelength. Because i love that scene. It's like zukerman finally gets out of himself and he looks at somebody else's painters her own guard. This is this is terrible. Lining wants to connect with the suffering of other people by putting his physical body in with their fluids in their viscera and so on and so forth. So i hear what you're saying. There is a lack of empathy there on the level of the do you think he's a great writer. This is what. I would do with uncontentious undergraduate such as yourself on the luxury precisely like one five beautiful sentences yes ended upsets me more. This is precisely why. I so deeply. Despise billy joel for example who have called in print the donald trump of pop music. It's precisely because billy joel on the level of songwriting right construct. Such beautiful melodies that listening to his self centered dismissive mean-spirited caustic lyrics time and again and again and again offense me more. Affiliate prophet was a mediocre writer. I would say well okay. This is this is just again the rantings of of some second rate this precisely because the divine gift and being somewhat of a believer I do believe that this gift of string together. Sentences comes from a from a higher authority that all that is wasted on the flu via is deeply troubling to me but i wanna return you back to the classroom for a second. We're great point here. Hold on hold on. So i'm gonna push back. What should one endowed with these god given gifts of aesthetic expression and articulation. Do with them. And i think what you're saying. It's very jesuitical at celebrate. God tell the truth. Tell the truth and celebrate. God might not be identified. Not not not believer. Obviously right okay. So we hit. We've got into the source of the problem. We have diagram the problem beautified. I believe we have but actually kind wanted to turn that question thirty six degrees north and and ask you this question. So how does writing this book or does writing. This book changed the way that you not only approach literature but also teacher when you when you take other books now that you teach your students undergrads grads i like. Do you begin with some kind of disclaimer. Saying well first of all let us examine the premise of what it is that we want books in general to walk is unusual is a singular as the thinks. There's something really unusual about this guy in french Wink it's winking at your uh as not me. I thought it was made. But he's playing this three card monte game with his identity i don't know how translatable phillip roth is to other. American writers obviously writers plot development as character development and payroll taxes. And all the things that literature professors do. Roth is a senior writer. What has changed for me is a real dislike of winner. Take all are just two cultures. Right i am realizing the degree to which philip broth occupied a perch in american letters for decades and he's a great writer but they were other great writers. That could have been winning those national book. Awards that could have been winning those cultures. And i find that i want to need the writers that i look at much. More carefully Much more generosity and aspect. Could this person have been fitted like a rough. I have this old sense of guilt that i devoted all my time as did so many to the works of this one excellent writer but i failed in my critical responsibility of introducing other great writers to my undergraduate so i'm much more cognizant of ruined putting on the syllabus and i'm trying to give more of a of a platform to different writers writers that you might not have heard of previously. I actually want to end on this exact note that you just mentioned as you helped us arrive at this important understanding of the nuanced interplay between morality and aesthetics. Give us one or two writers free. If you will from felt milton roth give us one or two writers that we could take with us eventually be moved and transformed by marlin james in a brief history of seven killings and. I believe it's called book of the night women all my gosh. Is that writing and it would be very hard to see the narcissism there. I'm not a marlon. James scholar but the poetry the mastery of dialects the ability to zoom out and think about the human condition. Not just the condition of enslaved african persons but the human condition and human folly is a great writer right. So marlon james's somebody. I'm very very eager to bring to by students attention. There's a chinese writer who visited my class because of a connection she wrote a wonderful short story called folding beijing and it says work of science fiction about beijing in the future where poor people get to be awake eight hours a day something like that or they have to work six of those eight hours and then beijing flips over right and the wealthy get to enjoy the sunlight and they have kind of tribeca sort of existence. So they're all these phenomenal rights right. I was reading rachel. Husk and my first encounter with rachel cost. The trilogy was not low but it was like. I gotta do this again right. I've got to read it a second time because there's something there which is really really good night understanding so platforming other writers writers who are not white jewish american males. I i know you don't like that type of logical configuration. Is something that i think. I need to do morally. I can't read roff anymore as you just can't read. I've been doing this now for so long. I've learned a lot. I love the work unlike you. I think there's a lot there for us to take with a the professor. Shock berliner blind. I would like to thank you deeply. And truly you've alluded to something in the beginning of our conversation and and i want to conclude this remark. It is not often at all that. Scotland academic embarks on work. that is not just. Shall we say my opec but actually grapples with large and truly meaningful questions. This book is one of them. It was a pleasure to read and was pleasure. Having you in cheryl thank you henna. Stein portrays ben grosses popular girlfriend. Sheera lebron on net flicks is never have i ever. She sat down to talk to our vario. Martin hammerstein great to have you here. Thank you for being with us. Also i give her shout out my dad quickly because he was listening to the episode of with jaren. And you guys were like. Yeah you're the only jew on the show it might has like no no and she's my daughter. What's great is he totally he he lobbed into facebook he was like great episode guys but hello by daughters on the show like well us up. Let's we'd love to interview your daughter. Yeah listen sita's religiously no pun intended. I have so many questions i want to ask you. Because i'm fascinated as somebody who's been pretty immersed in the new york writer world and has friends in the new york theatre robot very new york centric. I'm fairly obsessed with the l. A. culture and the way hollywood drive everything so i have a lot of questions about that but i do have one more question about this show in particular this character and we talked to jared a little bit about this which is that. Obviously jews don't always have to be portrayed as perfect human beings our podcast basically exists to prove that we aren't but did you have any misgivings about basically playing the jap to be perfectly crude about it. Nobody's it's reality though right. So my high school was full of jewish american princesses. That was the reality of the popular girls. And i feel like. I didn't really fit the mold like they would come to school in their brand new jeeves and their blackberries. My parents gave me my grandpa's oil. Nine thousand nine hundred ninety two minivan so it really goes into the bigger question. Like is any stereotype there. I wasn't bothered by to be honest. Because i was like that was my high school experience. And i think it's an honest portrayal of it being a young girl in high school nowadays in a wealthy jewish community. And don't get me wrong. There's a lot of great jews in high school that are in the american is No for sure you were one. I was one. I told i get what you're saying. I mean of course one of the things about never ever is its unsparing with its portrayal of the tunnel community right. I mean davey. It's not like they make you know greater. Tom'll american cultures so gorgeous and flawless. They showed they start right there and they're really brutal about it. So you're from detroit right. Take me back to when you decided you wanted to be an actor. Take on the journey as actually eleven years old on pilly island. It's an island in canada where my family has a cottage and there was this tiny little community theater of all the locals which is like ten people on island and our neighbors. Like just let me. Just come with me and what we find i went. He did the slow. Cute snow way of remake and as himself elvis olympic. Coming other people. I went to college and i was at. Cmu central michigan. But so i wasn't getting to wearing wanted to go through that process. And i just called my parents up as i don't know how i'm going to ally some arabs eighteen. I got an internship at sony pictures entertainment and i just burn the process from the business. Side pre-production hugh audio editing. And i loved it. I was like. This is where i need to be and i was on ensuring that walked into the co televisions office. Being like hi. I'm here the enduring. I have an idea for movie. You wanna hear it like ninety. Jhansi could totally call security and fire me but actually it was steve moscow at the time and he's still mentor minds this day and he kinda smiles and was like right it and already And this was actually. My papa's immigration story immigrating from poland canada escaping the holocaust. And to be honest telling. My story drove me into write it. I want to be involved. I haven't i wanna rien houston ads. And then i kind of worked my way up through. Sony became development consultant at crackle. So i dropped out of school also so not promoting that but you know. Everybody has their own path at cracklins reading mike. Ten to fifteen scripts day and crackle at the time was sony's digital platform like their hulu. And then i went to camp film festival the student fifteen now and i just was. It was such an amazing innovative process. That is like i can write my own things. I've stories to tell so left there and became a cocktail server and writer by day cocktails. Irvine night you know the whole hollywood dream and yeah. And that's when. I started writing my papa story. And i would love to share with you and your. What's your give. Give me the pitch. What your papa story though. I'm the real story behind. It is my great grandfather left. Poland lied and said he was a single man to get into a turns around his like away. I want to get my family. And they're like no. We can deport you. So then he fought for five years to get them accepted and he went to mental institution when he just realized all hope is lost. That's the all hope is lost pending. Maybe then he sees a picture of a woman named william freeman who was a prominent to at the time and he wrote her a letter and she went to the prime minister who went to parliament at night piece overturned and they accepted. I'm sold and you've written the script. I read the script. And i've written bulgy series about as well with my now boyfriend. Aaron golden very talented canadian writer. Canadian jewish writer love the canadian jews. So many because he met my papa. John's ninety three and was do but then inserts talking about growing up in canada. And you're canadian. Canadians are like princeton alumni and people who own little dogs which is don't shut up about it they are just like they're all in so okay. So you're a balti- hyphen it. You're still going on additions. I'm guessing because you book. Never have i ever do. I'm doing everything. I'm doing voiceover. I'm doing regular auditions. I'm i'm trying to get you. Tv shows big hand. It is a daily hustle. And this is my question right. Because i know what a freelance writers life looks like and largely. It's like you sit in coffee shops and hope that more famous successful writers. Don't walk in and make you and you send a lot of emails and maybe write something for an hour. My image of hollywood and again this is this is just purely unfair is like you know pilates and the more that you also look good all the time right so i imagine that you booked several hours of just physical self-improvement today male female. You've all got up six packs. Everyone goes to equinoxes can you i joe it's expensive. I did wadis. i'm basic and you worry about. But i've had friends have gone out there and said like yeah my agents said i had to bulk up twenty pounds lose twenty pounds or whatever. It's so brutal. How do you work that. It's your routine. We're also trying to write stuff working out like having our to take care of myself. I know it's such an answer but truly is my release of anxiety to be honest like especially even during the pandemic. I had no control over anything like everybody else in the world and running outside for now where even those with the mask. It was like okay. This is my release. And then i also meditate. I did iowa asca when i was as not okay absolutely. This is got even better. It's too badly not here. Who's a serious druggy. Tell us about the iowa. Oscar dirty when where this was july twenty twenty in colorado. I had gone with some friends. Colorado and we met and their mutual friends were the owners of a cbd company. And we're talking about you know they just do this for treat. That was the next weekend and there was a spot available as like okay. I'll lose the woods. Do iowa osco strangers. That sounds safe totally. So then they went and it was a three day ceremony. Ebersol was it awesome. It was. There's a misconception about iowa guy it does not fixed you. You don't come out and being like i'm in enlightenment. It opens the door but he has to do a lot where so. It was a three day ceremony and there was led by a professional shaman from and it was really really beautiful but it was also burying jets like everybody has their own journey with it and for me going into it. It opens a lot wounds than i needed. In the aftermath of i go in to a lot of work and it was interesting because i came out of colorado and this is to lie of twenty twenty ally. Shut down again so i come back in. The world on. Fire is what it felt like. It was like whoa. I'm trying to heal and then we're shut down and i can't see people it was. It was an interesting experience. Say the least and is and so. When you're doing your meditation we got there. Because you're pilates and meditation for me. Working out and not shannon is something. I need to do to stay connected with myself because i am such a crazy superficial fields. I need you something that is you just for me. So connect that to the intellectual piece of it. You're writing scripts. How'd you learn to write a script. You read a bunch of scripts will. You've read thousands of scripts. I've read thousands of scripts. I read scripts that have similar formats. You what i wanna make. I just learned from watching writers. I love aaron sorkin. I was gonna say who's the gold standard. Who are your heroes in this in the work. You wanna do me counting the way. She breaks down a story though she is. She's brilliant and link fisher both aren't creators of the show. Aaron sorkin prefer annoyed. The writer crash paul anka habit but in terms of like getting back to you what writings like honestly what you just described sitting at a fancy coffee shop having an overpriced lot sending emails that are probably going to spam and then probably writing for an hour then going home that is the life of a writer and then you do your five odd jobs. That you do to make money lay francis. We have pilots about female empowerment attachment say cylinder wraps in development with a great production. And we've been redevelopment was now for a year and just not mean they're giving you money like where are you getting money aside from so you have residuals from never have i ever never have ever. I allow via work. So everybody used to be frugal. Let's be honest kids my room my recurring guests our role. You know it doesn't make you livable. Right rare yeah. You just have to be frugal. All you have to have a lot of hot on the fire and so where an pre-production right and We deal one patriot right so that means to completely rewrite a pilot and we're not getting hey for that's the reality though and and how me and my writer look at it is just. It's a win for us to be even working with such a prestigious company. There are so many writers out here that wish they haven't meeting with these people and so you have to give yourself especially in this industry. Those little wins that okay. It didn't sell. But i have this pursing read my work. How do you think at this point. Your life about being jewish says an interesting question so through writing papa story which we're now writing as anthology series of her season you know focusing on the closed door politics of canada and my grandfather fighting that to get his family accepted. So i've spent years interviewing my papa researching and i've been to israel route three times and when i was fifteen. My dad sent me on the team mission. Which is a bunch of young youths going together in your community and before the resignation an atheist. And don't believe in this. I'm about miss that of course and also my mom's catholic so you were raised jewish but we had a secondary holidays. We would do christmas. We were those dues. A israel for martin. I felt like i was born institute and it was such an incredible experience and i came back. Here is like data. i'm so proud to be jewish. And he was like a work but clams me now after doing all this research and spending so much time understanding where my failing came from in the sacrifice they went through. I'm very proud to be jewish. And i can't wait to go to israel again now. I have this education and music. Continuous learning process for me right especially with watches happens over this past summer with the politics in israel it was really hard for me to see the silence across social media for jews on a global scale and may blaming worldwide for a government's decision in israel and it was really upsetting to me and i actually read letters. My palestinian neighbor by yossi klein is a constant learning process. And i wanted to understand. I wanted to understand why they were so much hates. And why can't we find a common ground and an expert. I'm still learning but yeah to answer your question. I'm i'm very proud to be part of this community. I'm a reformed for a secular jew. I look at it more as community of people with of course our roots of where we come from and very had hannah stein. You play sheera. It never have i ever. You are a fabulous human and ju- and multi hyphen. Who taught me that new word today. And i'm so glad that you that you came on unorthodox to be are jew of the week and represent the midwest and canadian niceness for the world. I'm such a fan of the show. Honestly i it makes me feel like a better job listening improving people's jewish souls everywhere since two thousand fifteen thanks so much mazal tov gratitude farewell. Thank yous piece outs shalom shalom. 's liyel whom you wanna speak to this week. I would like to say farewell to to find jews from across the pont as they say. The first is mervyn. Taylor who passed away this week at the age of eighty nine. He was the first jewish person to serve as a cabinet. Minister in ireland is a champion of women's rights and of other disadvantage people and a much beloved politician which is not something you hear often end the same week. We lost the great sheila bromberg. A jewish harpist. Who was the first woman ever to play on a beatles album he combo i have a farewell masato farewell to the schmaltz brewing company which is an upstate. New york company it began in nineteen ninety-six. It called itself the chosen beer and apparently it is It is no more. The final version i read of its jewish beer is called bittersweet lenny's. Rip a named. I hope after lenny. Dykstra i should hope so a grin. Did you buy a great friend of and this would be a great chance to talk about our super listeners. Sonia like brewery i of course where her hebrew shirt all the time and You know the the more jewish brewing. I'm not a huge beer drinker. But i will drink ju- bruce and a big mazal tov to my daughter elizabeth's close friend from summer camp. Leo wilkins became bat-mitzvah. The other day she had had her bought mitzvah postponed a couple times and finally came to the torah and read from the tour and read torah and led services including part of hall. And just just did a beautiful job last chabad so muzzle top to the whole wilkins. Family unorthodox brought you by magazine on the web at tabah dot com. Subscribe to our newsletter. Or send us your thoughts. If unorthodox tablet dot com. You can also call us and leave us a voicemail preferably of sixty seconds nine one four or five seven four eight six nine. We often come to live so to book. Advertise with us email producer. Josh cross j. Cross that's with a k. At tablet dot com to buy our swag slash shirt. You can join a facebook group and follow us on twitter or instagram. Our show was produced by josh kraushaar eater associates produced by robert scaramucci up by esther whitaker theme music by gholam mailbox themed by steve barton and torah. We danced all night rabbinic supervision this week by rabbi goldberg in port chester new york. He presided over. The welcomes mitzvah. We come to you from the scattered home offices students philo turn.