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Leroy Was Here

The Leroy And Earl Show (feat. Carleeezy)

29:40 min | 7 months ago

Leroy Was Here

"Bring it over here. Bring that over here. Sweet sweet didn't hurt hit. Okay I think hey damn easy. Easy hit right there. I think we got it all right. Got It studio this Louis. We did. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA do. I want you to start the show now and wants you to hit down to Cbs Gets Toilet Paper. You got missile. Anyway I'll be back in a little bit with the PT With teepee with toilet paper okay. Thanks that we're going to start. I'm going to start Lee runner. Show rethink that right and Erica screw. Welcome to guess what to rural show. Leroy listen to Dole cartoon podcasts too. You're wondering what the heck's going on. Well what Buddy Leroy's back? I'm tired of this bullcrap tired of being taken my show my show taken for me but chuck Encarta Lisi broke in the studio tonight. Me and Ricky and I'm doing a show intriguing. My Jack and coke so a little bit about a little thing like call lawsuit that are finally against Chuck. So we'll talk about that a little bit and talk about you know Ricky. Scoot and get told there. He's GonNa rely more poppy by the way on Youtube. I'm not doing that. I'm not cool with that one. Poppy because I knew how to do that. We're GONNA talk about Copyright Music Play Copyright Music. Mother. That's right believer in rural. Show the adult purchase podcasts. His back the thought he thought I was gone to thought it would just overall in a ditch somewhere the not my show anymore so wrong. This is the adult cartoon. Podcasts BILLY WRIGHT OH show is no longer with US unfortunately I'm never going to give up on him. No I never really will. I don't think I think I'll keep trying to get him to come back all the time. Okay that's right. Miss that voice so anyway waiting for Ricky call in now and I said go down to the store get some teepee and calling on Pod if there's you know if there's any problems getting the toilet paper because I was too low and toilet paper because of the Corolla virus I don't understand the toilet paper part. Maybe somebody could explain that to me. Toilet paper Quarterbacks doesn't cause anything that you would need toilet paper for now you get runny nose but Tissue paper for that toilet paper. You're not gonNA have other Hershey squirts the MONTEZUMA's revenge on that's going to happen on Corona virus on on the coronal buyers. You just you know. So why are people freaking out about toilet paper? You know I mean if in the grand scheme of things the things you need to survive in the world say during the Zombie Apocalypse. Toilet papers wait on the list you can wipe your butt with whatever leaves you wash it with a rag and then wash the rag you know and that's gross. I understand it's gross but you can You can do it. You know what I'm saying. I feel so good to be back by the Mike. I don't know how this is all GonNa pay out but I can tell you this. I'm not giving up a back. I broke in the studio tonight. Chuck's probably UNASSUMING. I'm sure but guess what but right now. This is the show and ricky calling in on the pot. Ricky Ricky Rick Rick was really really the CVS CVS street now and I got there. It'll tell the pavement. Rick what is going on. It's a full fledged riot. Really GONNA run over here the quarter. Okay talk but sounds so people with sub stuff that the dow call beer beer and against the bills stuff per day. They'll tell the paper way but whole lot. I think I think I see a possibility. Packages of that softwood scrubs the shire how grab it typically right got it got it? I got the payment prebaked and studio right now Rick Heidelberg of going okay. Back Stillwell holy crap wait a minute missile Europe. They see me with the toilet paper. They're chasing me. They're like this run. Ricky run run run. That was visiting with this new. Keeping weird sound. This is your deal Richie awake bill. Just drop each other people. Get back to your right. Okay good okay. I'll be back practice. They're calling in on pod being which is pretty cool. Pretty COOL DEAL. There be live on pod. Bean and Somebody's listening I can't read your name. Sorry my eyesight terrible. This is the Leroy show the adult coaching podcasts. And just a little quick history for those of our listening to pod. Being Chuck Jones and Carl. Easy took over the show. Kicked me off and You know I am a large endowed man but I can't really fight very well. Because he love ribs drink a lot. So Rick should be back here in a few minutes and Unfortunately did not get the toilet paper. That's that's too bad too bad but you know that's how it goes Also Tonight Show. We're going to talk about Some other stuff. I didn't come prepared with the material. Which is Right right you're all saying right. You didn't come with as much not as much fun as I thought it would be. Yeah so eight Rick's back in the studio rick. You're right buddy yeah misery. I don't think that that bit with over. What about talking about the bits? You'd said that to say stuff like that bit didn't go over right. And what did you say? I guess I just said that bit to go over. Okay Rick Rick. Addictions the intern on the show. And I guess you era coast again. Yes you're coast again. I'm Rick Leroy. This is my co host Wiki Dixon. I can't even begin. Don't even start. I don't need you to begin anything. Let let Switzerland what's other Gyda. What's gyda tonight broken studio and we could do it? Leroy? They'll show the real Leroy Burrell show. What's right Ed ed Ed Ed beavered obits rooster to earls that here Do The show. Sh- show shut shut shut shade Tracy Short Yeah. Yeah they're doing. This is a short show. Because there's a lot to talk about and I'm sure chuck in Harleys you're GonNa you know have this fodder to talk about our next Lee Roy and earle show Wednesday at seven. Pm EASTERN. You know they do all of this live stuff back. So yeah but rick. Yeah did so Gordon on the line. We'll talk about that and then that will pretty much be it for this. This little foray. We're doing here hold on Gabe. Ricky's getting solo one. I just want to say What my plan is you know what I'm not gonNA say. Rick is yeah go ahead so everybody. I hear what's why. Are you calling me at eleven ten on a on a Saturday night? Don't you think I have You know maybe a lady friend over something. I do not so problem. No problem what do you watch? And why why are you calling me? What isn't it sound like? I'm on the air on the air you're live on Pod bean and we're recording the show To be put up later tonight kidding me right. No and here's here's why I'm calling you. Don't guess let me tell you. What are the what? What are my odds out? How sorry. I'm drunk. What what is the chances that I could sue chuck for the name of the show? What do you mean well? It's the show and I'm Lee Roy. Earle's gone within chuck fired me and you know. He says he created the show. Of course he did. But I'm Leroy my name is Leroy. My name is on the show. He was on the banner. It's on everything. I WANNA suit chuck for the name Just like when the Cleveland Browns left Cleveland. Back in ninety five or whatever. The People Cleveland sued and got the name and all the statistics of the browns and the browns organization. That was leaving to go to Baltimore. Had to come up with a different name. So you WANNA make check and Conley Zeke changed the name of show and give you back the name. Leroy neural show. Yes and then you would have all of the old content audio named you're going. You're going to do a show every week. Well here's here's what I'm thinking. I might do a show every week but I might just do like I did for that. Short hiatus right after earl left the second time where I record a show. Whatever feel like it and I'll go live on pot being even though you know. It won't be scheduled but we got to people listening right now. Nice to have you here hot wheel in B. M. D. or something like that. Don't try and read those names Leroy so well. Here's the thing I'm worried about. Because he he started the show him in James Crash and then they hired you you and oil to do the show so it technically. I believe It all belongs to him. I don't have any recources for the fact that it's my voice my name. Well actually I believe you do so. I'll be looking Internet for you so you want to file a suit well. I'm going to try and talk some sense into chuck. If he says no then yes I will. I will sue because the adult cartoon podcasts. Which has been going on since two thousand fourteen can't die it can't Leroy I. I think you need to find different hobby. It's not a hobby. It's a way of life. Okay so you know. People love this show. There are people called shift heads because of the show. Do you understand that when people call shift cats before you show? What how you know like motorcycle guys though. Well that's whatever you know people that like clutch geds whatever anyway. We're not talking about clutch. Well you know I gotTa tell you I I. I liked the idea. I know I listened to the last episode of the Leroy Neural Show which was on Wednesday and Father James on there. They treated him poorly. And I I gotTa Tell Ya James. I don't always get along but I tell you it wasn't right. It wasn't right at all. I feel like You know the characters of the people that have been on this show over the years since like you said two thousand fourteen deserve a little more respect than to be treated like that by the faith of Dave rates. I heard that was like phase of DIV. Eighty don't don't Don't piss off Dave 'cause he's twitter famous whatever. So yeah that's what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA sue the crap. If he doesn't say it come taking the show back in the show is not gonNA end. He can do whatever he wants. He can change the name of his show to chuck as the greatest person. Ever do it that way. Well I'm I'm all for it I you know I'll do it pro Boehner. Well would have a paid me from other things that you will meet in the past. That's because that money and never get that right so good. You're all you're all good Mr Leroy. I don't see a problem with it like I said. Even if he's if either way I think you can do it now. My big question is are you going to do it? Are you going to actually keep doing a podcast? Would and I might not do it every week. I'm not going to do it at a certain time every week but I can go live on being to get Listeners I got people Messaging Sue him for a cup of coffee. Well you could still in your suit up for the name of the show right. Yeah what's coffee got to do with somebody message on twitter on a hobby and said that. Oh sorry can't Message YOU BACK HOT WHEEL BE MD because Hands Full So. I appreciate listened to know a soul. How's everything going for you and your personal life. Things are well actually. I met a girl so I'm going to check. I'M GONNA go over their house right now. Not Sorry I actually. She's working. I'M GONNA go visitor yeah. She works at the Cabinet Room peppermint room anyway. Good Luck Leroy. I'm going to take off. Very Gorman so it's good to hear from this was that this gustavus machine sometimes I swear anyway you. We'll be respond to the to the people know. Please don't just don't please don't so anyway. I appreciate The people that are tuned in on the part of being live Thing is is actually super super cool. I think because You know sound like a thousand people were going to tune your show and all of a sudden you're going to have this big following whatever but it's nice to have a couple of people log in here and there. I just. I scheduled this literally five minutes before me break into the studio and then I set it up so this was just going to be a short show. I just wanted to come on here and tell everyone what I just said that. You don't cartoon a podcast. Lee Runner will show which started a two thousand fourteen by well other people started it but myself leeway the Roy and erling state who I'm going to try and get back into the game and Chuck thinks he can come in here. Fire me and take over my show just because the Podcast wasn't going over so well. That's basically what he did. He said you ain't working. You're out and I said well I I said okay I mean I just kind of I was so upset. I didn't eat for like three days. I barely slept. You know a urinated wherever I was defecated just wherever and it was terrible in and then Kinda hold on a drink. Burdette anybody's house down there hot wheel. So Yeah I came out of it took a couple of days and then I just started thinking about like no no. No no Hell No. I am famous. There's people around the world who Leroy early as they know about the adult cartoon of podcasts. And all the people that are on the show Bambi. Yeah about Ricky. So I decided yeah I'm Gonna I'M GONNA I'm GONNA sue him. I'm going to make him change the name of the show. I'M GONNA make him start over. Okay he's going to take over my show and continue on. I'M GONNA make him start over like you should have. I'm not starting over because only dig it. That's how it goes. This is the dealt. This cartoon podcasts Lever Show Renault show. This has been a short little pay back. I'm going to be doing the show. I mean dude every week but look for it out there and look for some controversy and look for chuck and Carl. Easy to change the name of their show. We'll see how that goes so I appreciate Hot Wheel and bind listening to me rant tonight again. Not Burning Anybody's house down but Yeah good idea so you have been listening to Leroy Burrell show. I'm Lee Roy and we'll see guys on another time another space on the other side of the move. Uh thank you so much I do feel like I am going to play a lot of the old clips because the show has a lot of staying power and I think some of the stuff that's going on in the past and the show has to be shared. That's what I'm GONNA do. We saw need rookie what's up barrel. Hey Hey man what what's going on man you've been hearing what's going on around here only waking. Rigi stop by nothing. You just burn my night with your light anyways. Forget that I even knew you run out of material here Not Not not running out. That's the wrong word. You'd have to have them run out but I need some help here Ricky Ricky. And did you have you been here? What's going on here with the Piss off organization Leroy and all that what's going on with Roy he. I don't know where he's at if you find the picture. I know he's not he's not right there with you helping you out with whatever the talked. Leroy Talk Leroy since last week when I did my job of Luik okay well anyways He sent himself. He wasn't supposed to say long story. Short we knew was supposed to say several times house. You know around weight not cool. You know he's he that he is the word I can say the word thing about it man. Just because he's black you could say it obviously he. Can't you get suspended for a whole episode at least at least an episode or what? I'm saying here is probably a good gift. Well actually about the rip shack for his life thought. Worry you're beaten off on wrens hill. The bathroom Jesus would feed off the ribs anyways. Man You got anything for a joke or something. Ma'am TRYING TO FILL SOME JOKE. Luik. If you're interested hey wait. We don't have it saw like much all right. Here's the Ricky Djokovic dropped down. Probably don't have that much time you're all around the table. Yeah but we don't have that much time for the worker. Listen all week. The joke pop. I guess it's better than you jack. Maximum while anyway. Okay here we go. Here's what do you call lesbian dining for lesbian dinosaur. Shit I mean. We got the whole evening. Could sit here and try to figure this out all right. Tell me man you call dinosaur lick a lot of. Oh that's good ricky joke of the week super all right buddy. Wow you're on your own there. I listen to you on Ricky. Do you want to come down to the studio? Gosh really stopped. I love doing it the rookie mid frigging idiot. Who who the hell let me quit. Can you put it? Can you put the tissue down in the Jergens down for second your answer damn phone? We know who was just answering. Jerkin away anyways. This Hellas thought that this is not as much fun as I thought it would already. There's a little juice for you back in the day. The face of defeat join us. We talked about earlier with the visit. What's lead to talk about the face date in this show Like I said it's going to be just short like half hour twenty five minutes. Whatever Dave thanks for tuning in This this is right onto where all the other leeward I'll show is. He said he'd call him but he has no voice. Well Dave has ricky I think. Dede's got corona virus. Do you have verse Buddy? No no we will. Everyone will have it at some point but Anyway again. I don't know how often I'm going to be able to do the show. I don't know if I ever talk. Roll into coming back. But guess what JUST TO RECAP UP SUED. Chuck for the name of the show. Lee Runner all the PUCK. Yes is is an established. Podcast that I did. Yes he started it but it's mine. Why show I'm taking it back? He can change his this crap. He's doing now he can change a name. It's start over the Little Talk Radio Fund show him and Carly's do you can just change it. Yes Burki said it. Just change it. So that's all there is an I'm GonNa see you guys on the flip side. Look for big news for big changes. Look for chucking Carlita. Change in the show was morrow when you're in bed you drink every night anti blackout whatever. Whatever so you're laying in bed drunk would be assured of waiting lots of copyrighted music to be there but it's true. Make sure I do this. It is nothing concert. Hey but log with legs. Do you think doing this crap can. Podcast is easy or free. Let's neither so go to Leroy and EARLS PITCH SHIFT DOT COM and. W pretty sure you can spare a couple mother fifteen bucks and follow us on twitter at Royan Earl like our Goddamn facebook page and pitch shift. That is if you can find time between punching your clown and shoving big MACs into your Leroy Dot com which. I am also going to take back from chuck. He can start his own. Gd website get his donations those Golden Gold membership. Ted's Dr Brown Deal Donohoe. Shell and I'll leave the call. Dave Gold had shipped a gold. Goldmember goal that should be shipped at Golden River ship. Dead they donate to the Lebron roadshow out this crap Kirby store.

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QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes (Part 1)

Questlove Supreme

1:45:07 hr | 3 months ago

QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes (Part 1)

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You'll hear from resilient Mama's knowledgeable experts and me asking a whole lot of questions, it's real talk that offers real perspective on what it's really like to be apparent new episodes published every other Thursday list indicating grip on iheartradio APP or on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Course love supreme is production of iheartradio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen this Kua Classic, we're about to present is one of my personal favorites. Right personal favorites. Always. Say if you WANNA know about your favorite artists. Kinda gotta get it with their circle. While this great film Games. Episode is an amazing example. His stevie wonder Michael Jackson. Quincy Jones stories are gold solid gold. This is one of. Ten of all time list episodes. It's funny, formative, dramatic and amazing here it is the Greg filling gains. He will class part one. Aren't here we go? More to. Premium. Role Com. Suprema roll. Prima. So. So! Suffering. Is the man. Hits on this shelf. Michael's don't stop to get enough that bridges right itself. Suprema. Yeah and I'm a winner. With feeling gangs. Now laid it system or Ok. Role. Sugar. I got the sugars. I'm having significant pains. But I'm making significant gains. So pretty well go. Free roll-call. Sunshine. Moonlight. Good Times. Blame on. Frame. Three. Frame Oh, no! Yeah I can't help it. Greg The reason you felt. Suffering. Wife. My name is Greg. With, a mayor! But I can't believe. that. He's right here. Go. Up Very much. Rogue Com Prima side. Role Com. Frame. Yes Yes I am right here. You're welcome to another episode of course, Love Supreme. We are live at United Recording studios the legendary united recording. Studios I. believe that this is where Frank Sinatra and many A. Of. The other room in here. Yes, yes, we're in the legendary legendary united. Recordings Ray Charles Schwab. Listeners know that art yesterday always always accused me a putting my nerd. Them were useless music trivia information. Yeah, ahead of our friendship, the absolute so I will start off before I even start the the the. The introductions I will start with great film gains. How are you? I'm here. I'm just fine, and it's so good to see you at the beginning of twenty eighteen. Yes, it's great to see all right so ladies and gentlemen welcome to quest. Our guest today is one of the heaviest heavyweights of musicians and producers and arrangers. This is the man that you call when you want. The special sauce or is Marlin. Jackson said. Now it soup. Never heard that term life, but he said we got. We got film gains involved yeh now it's soup. said that, yes, he said that he says a lot of wacky things. Kind of understood what he meant. You know your your present. On you know when you read some of our our favorite records in in in and productions of of the last forty years, your name is always involved on some of the most life changing albums that we've experienced and we want to welcome Greg. Villain gains impress apparently. You from here because you're such. An intense. NERD about. Curator of this. You're keeping the history alive, but you're doing it. the creepiest way possible. Seriously all jokes, aside you're doing it in the the absolute best way possible you're. You're making it fun using your platform. From your celebrity to do this and I for one really appreciate because I. Don't kit out very often. These days I'm older now and I have. Twin boys who are almost three. That's that's a Ho and my twelve year old daughter, but. But you know. I'm older now. You know it's it's a new day and it's a new world out there and you know. I'm just trying to stay with it so I appreciate the thing. Is that you've? You've made some of the best graffiti that will never ever be replaced no matter what and even. And even if people don't know like. It's it's there like it's no raising the history well I. It's I've been very very blessed that way and it's true I've always said you know my whole career those that no, no, and those don't don't and it's fine with me. and actually I kind of. Prefer that way because I love. This happens to me all the time. You know, we'll be talking to someone who has no colorful handwriting. They go, so you play you play you're you're a musician? I go yeah. What do you play keyboards? Oh Yoon, Aban said well, I've been in a couple of bands. I love to. Have this I? Have this thing playing in my head? Like I was at this incredible museum. The other day called Nethercutt Museum. It's over and still mar, and the curator. Of of all these incredible musical instruments, actually you should see it, 'cause it's. And and he one of the things on display was it was an actual gramophone and I mentioned to the guy said well. You know you can explain to the to the to the tourists there that gramophone is you know where where the term grammy came from the Grammy Awards his. Yeah, you're absolutely right. He says you ever been on a grammy. And, so I had this thing. What I get asked a question like that this this this vision roster. My mind like you know different times I've md the grammy's. Ariba segments and so these things in my head before I answer the question going yes. I never explained that I just go. Yeah, I've been a few times and it's hysterical. You acknowledged. To start to throw out the like you hear that a lot with now. Sometimes I do that, too, but it's always fun. engaging those conversations and still leaving the people not having a clue who I am I love that. No, but you never once been like Yo. You're that. We are the world. Know nothing okay now, so some things are better left. Actually you're my favorite type of person interview 'cause often. You just said. The other night. I'm going to say. Is that often when people are in? The the either storm or inside the tornado. They really can't give you. A good perspective and I'm saying that he has great stories, but for me. In talking to engineers is way better than talking to like the guy. Rather talk to Susan Rogers. About Prince's work habits then prince himself. You know what I mean. That's okay right because you'll get that. You don't get a different time. And I feel as though you're probably the best eyewitness to. Some crazy historic shit! I'm just between songs in the key of life and. Thriller and I'm the. Average person's whole shit like. Yeah well I'll give you that. So were you originally from? Detroit. You're from the I'm from the east side or west side well. It started in highland like you know listen. You know some of my my key. Records were created in Detroit as well. I I'm a lover of Detroit. Okay well, I know that people from the west side, sometimes front and tell me Yeah East side where some credibility right so I wanted to know where you you sign west so I i. don't need credit. because. He didn't even say what up doe to know what? Actually I started in highland park. was virtually doesn't exist anymore. And then I moved to the North West side. It okay by eight mile. Okay, right I, see! So your your your your your credentials, still your their. Side when you read the the Purple Rain. Liner, notes. Prince actually gives what up though Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. To billy sparks from Detroit. Okay, from the Church so. Are you as far as your your your era or your your period of growing up. We've also interviewed Ray Parker junior on the show so. Lord! How how did how did they go mazes amazing? How did you manage to leave because we didn't want to? No one loves talking about themselves more. I love right, but he knows. He knows was like you know you. Sit him down and you want to hear more about me great. That same week one here more. He makes it entertaining, but he basically said that for. From TV's. Music of my mind period up until villainous I finale. He basically wanted you know all Detroit cats. In his crew as bend and I didn't know that was just a preference of the something water in Detroit or he just wanted to make sure that all the homeboys on the black guy gigs or that sort of thing. But significantly younger, though so, how'd you? Come to his attention I. Don't really know this story. Okay well settle back and I'll tell you the whole fake. Yes. Chats with. Gregg yeah well. Hello, kids like me, so this is what happened. It's. A year after I graduated I'm in Detroit. I graduated high school, which was Cass Tech in nineteen, seventy four and I was very excited and very much looking forward to going to college. Because you know, it's just what you did and I. I you know it's like straight out of the Charlie Brown comics again. My joke cool briefcase and I was like I'm going to college. I went to Wayne. State and I I Gradually started sucking. At everything, even the even the subjects that light like I really liked psychology sucking. You were there for music. It was a liberal arts. I took a liberal arts because I was lazy. You know. Or anything so I took a liberal arts, course and one of the the the courses was psychology, and I was really into it, but I sucked. It just could not get together you know, and so I remember telling my mom that. Just wasn't working out and she's you know just. Give it another chance and and see what happens, and I was gaining a lot of notoriety in Detroit, from playing in. A couple of different bands fairly regularly and playing around town. And I absolutely idolized Steve. Stevie. You know the whole had. Posters of them in my bedroom all and and I I really internalized. I really absorbed his music. I was. His music where you are that. Music in general mean I just. NERD it out, but but. Not, In a cerebral way like you. More of a of an organic. Spiritual musical way you know and I mean I really connected with. With His approach musically. And vocally, even I was really shy about singing. I would sing with him in the shower or whatever you know, and You know I was just mesmerized by by. His covers of other things his arrangement I mean. How do you go from Dr and my way? To? Go. Who does that right and that's not to mention the. Pin who does that on a climate I was mesmerized right I remember telling friends of mine. In high school that I would eventually play with Stevie wonder. I don't know why did. I don't know where that came from. Wise I do, it came from. The Lord because He. Put that dream, and and I and I remember just spewing out like the people. I was going to play with so here's what happened. A, dear, dear, dear friend of mine. WHO's a drummer? was. Asked to audition. For Steve in New York by a former Bammer. by former wonder band member he, he, he, he got to my friend and asked and asked if he'd be interested in auditioning for Stevie in new. York, so the obvious answer was the night before he left before my friend left, I went to see him Because I was just. So? Thrilled for him and He's packing and you know we're talking and we're all excited and everything, but he insisted that I. Play some things on a cassette. and he would give that cassette Steve. This is the kind of friend who was. So He insisted I do this, so I played some base, but I played I remember one of the things I played. Was You are the sunshine of my life? But I played it the same way he did on the record to Kinda. Let him know I understand from here student, right how he thinks and I played. Some other things including Sun Goddess. I remember playing and I played like maybe one or two things and he. My friend took the cassette and flew in New York the next day. And it seemed like time stopped. I don't know how long he was there, but I remember. one day. Maybe two days later. my friend called me early in the morning, and said Stevie wonder wants to see in new. York today. How. Exactly. So I'm running around the House screaming like a bench is. My mom is like she's on her way to work and she was working at hospital. As a director of nurses since she said what's the matter with you? On. So I sit. So just bring clean underwear. Because, no matter what. No matter how bad of an accident you get, if you die the first thing going to ask. Or, then he stain. That's all they want. So. Now, but I'm asked to go to New York that day, but I'm also asked to stop by Steve's house to pick one of his brothers. So now I'm sitting inside Stevie. Wonder's and I knew lived. There were many of us that knew worried. I'm sitting inside the House going okay well I'm just here sitting inside. stevie wonder's house. All right I'm just waiting for his brother. One of his brothers come down, and we're GONNA airport all right. Let me just absorb this right now. So. Timothy comes down. We go to the airport now. There are few backstories now. The first backstory is remember I was telling you how I was sucking in in college and Mom said to give it one more try, and I remember saying to myself all right look. I'M GONNA. Try this one more time. And I'm going to If nothing. Earth shattering happens our register for the spring quarter on the last day to register. Roca. The day I was leaving for the airport to meet Steve in New York. Was the final data register state? Why look again and I remember being on. You know going to a Metro airport and started snowing. You know and it's just like. And it was April first. On top of all that. So! Flattered New York get settled at the hotel. Go to the studio. I'm sitting on pins and needles because. I realize I'm about to meet. My idol that I'd only seen twice in concert before. And I'm getting meet this. Like, face to face and I'm sitting. I'm really trying to be cool the engineers. It's like you know there. We're making small talk, but I'm just a hand sweating I. Everything is just I'm really just. This is at the record plant. This was at the hit factory Oh okay, original one okay with the one elevator and four street you. Mariah Carey Boys inman elevated there. You Go. And also known as the filling gains elevated because I have a story about that that particular word. Yeah I do it. It'll crack up But Anyway so I. I'm waiting on Pinson finally elevator door as in you know 'cause you're. You're in the studio and there's a monitor that's There's a camera pointed at the elevator to see who goes in and out. Elevator finally opens in out he comes. Sister as towing him, and he's just comes in and I go. Oh my God! That's what you do. You don't set, but this is what's going on. You know and he's coming in and so you may say Steve. Grace here. How you doing and that handshake. That single handshake was the thing that changed my life. We from that point on. We made small talk and you know He. He actually showed me an original. Unreleased Song of his and to see if I could play it, go I see of course. What does for that Amir and It was called. Spring high all. He ended up cutting it on Ramsey. Lewis. You're good. Talked to. Do Good you. You. You're good. Wow, okay! I've seen good. You're one of them. So. Yes, but. You know at some point you know early on. He said he was going to give it to me, but know I'm not bitter. Because I? Know in love Ramsey and it was fantastic. So. That's the first Song I learned. About that. Oh. Right. Fit Come on. My credits, but I know this very well. We h wreck so. Okay okay. What do you think about it? HOW ABOUT KOREA GOES? Do. It's. Too Bad. I don't have a keyboard. Anyway, we don't. But but yeah, so that was the first one I learned now. That's the night of April fools. Next Day is more of the formal audition. One quick question. Yes, this is nineteen seventy five. This is nineteen seventy five so songs, Nikita light did not come out yet. No, he was working on it. Seventy, five, seventy five. Next Day is more of the formal audition between me and an older looking white guy, which I came to find out later on much later years years later. That guy was set to audition. By Chick Corea. Because chick heard about Steve auditioning and he set this guy. And wait a minute. Wait a minute. His name. Mike Garson. Okay, and the reason why I know this is because it was just like maybe a few years ago. This guy approached me at the NAMM. Show Anaheim and said I. Know You, but you may not know me I. Go, why says because? I'm the one that auditioned against you for wonder I go. You've got to be kidding. Mike Garson and he told me the whole story from his side. He told me that Chicory has sent them and I'm like you've got to became so I, put his name You know my contact list and there's a there's a picture of us. Standing side by side, but there's another picture me going like one. Right so. So. It's between between me and Mike. You know we're we're. We're at at bills rehearsal. Remember bills. You don't know about that. No, okay it was, it was called. But okay fine. Write pucker so a place called bills and I met everybody in wonder love including. Alley. Raymond Raymond, and and and all my niece easy okay. and. He was very very precocious. You know run-up to me from time to time it pitch me on the, but are going through the process, and from time to time different band members come up to me on the side and go, it's. And so amsoil a little nervous, but I I don't even remember what I did. was I I have no idea we were playing all day. I have no idea I. Don't remember anything about it i. just remember going through the process, playing with everybody and and and kind of. Feeling my way through and other Guy Mike you know and that was that. so after that whole day. Back in the car with Steve. evening time now we're on our way back to the hit factory I'm in the back. Steve's in the front and he turns around at one point goes so. How does it feel to be a member of wonder love? So. My in my head, I'm thinking. Is? Because now all these things are coming back to me about like how I heard he was a practical joker. And you never. You know all these things right, so I wasn't sure so I said. Are you serious goes of course I'm serious. What really? So now I'm trying to think. How can I prove this? Can you say I said well? Would you mind telling my mom? I don't mind them on. Instagram okay your. Mom Your light him up, so he's as we get to the studio. I. Doubt the House and give him the phone I voice. My mom here's is stevie. Wonder's telling her that he wants to have her son in his band and he'll take care of him and he thinks he's very talented in this business and this and this and. They talk for a couple of minutes and he has back to me and for the next few minutes. This is what you. You made it. Yeah at that moment. Did you feel like your mother is the first time you ever probably got that? Well I well. We were doing that two hours screen, but the thing is that you know she thought. Because she told me later on. She thought that it was just going to be a weekend. Flaying and I was going to you know, meet him and have little thing and then come back home. I can go to school well. It was a weekend playing. I meet him, and I, did go back home to get the rest of my shit. She was happy as music thing to make you some Muslim nineteen. Oh, and that's the punchline. It was a month before my nineteenth birthday. But it was a month before Stevie twenty fifth. Okay let's say that again a month before TV's twenty fifth birthday, which means he was working on songs in the key of life at twenty four. That's crazy. Yes, it is. That is crazy, so when he after he turned twenty five when that was released. Twenty, five. I was still trying to learn our shoelaces. This got songs in the key of life. So. Let that marinate. You, you put it in perspective Dan because. We. Want to ask you about your your stevie experience. I have two of the backstory's. Okay by NASCAR asked me for see now I'm asking for another backstory it's. Okay rather you go, okay, here's the thing. Thing is my dear friend. The drummer. Did Not get the GIG, wondering okay, who was he? Well unfortunately you have to. Ask in that you know in that grammar you have to say was because Ricky Ricky Lawson. Ricky. You have not experienced friendship. Until Ricky, Lawson was a friend of yours. Man. Ricky Lawson was the very definition of friend. In, every aspect I mean you know you hear there's there's a line that goes will give you the shirt off your. He literally would give you the shirt. Off his, back. Wow their story after story after thousands of stories about how he impacted. people's lives quietly and he was the sweetest guy ever ever. And it will never be another Ricky Lawson. Talk about told told this story on soul. Train you. The first cat I knew that didn't even talk about. Your album is a tribute to ricky loss and I'll say this is the weirdest thing I really have. You got two minutes to sell your? New Album and single and not ask you like to tell us about your beginning all this man right here and it was like it was almost a tearful moment. I was like wow like. I to treat the roots better. Can you tell the drummer story? Because Ricky didn't get the GIG deaths us to talk about ricky all time weird, but. It turned out. Davis? Davis but it turned out that Steve was just trying to. I duNno intimidate or strike fear into the car, but actually the drummer that was there was Raymond Pounds Raymond Pounds. That's where I'm at but. ricky didn't get it with Steve, but Roy Ayers was hanging around a lot at the time and Roy said if you don't get it with him. You got it with me, so he ended up with Roy. And technically, which is because. Roy. And but then rookie. Yes yes, so it was. It was a lot of incestual action going on, but here's the thing. So, technically, even though I just joined Steve Bannon I was working on cars, intellect SARS and key of life, technically the first album that was released that I'm on. Is everybody loves the sunshine. Yes. Yes, that's you as a not not on everything. I think onto songs. But there's. One Song that I have a solo at the end that I was I was just blazing and I was very young and crazy and I was just like wow. So. Yeah that was the first thing was released on. What equipment where you using at the time. Whatever the Hell I want to do. What was working with Stevie wonder dude. He had two of everything I'm just saying, and now you know we get a Coorg. We get a you know. No, no, no, no first of all I had several pristine roads. I mean grows like you cannot believe like roads like the intro to superwoman. Roads right right and. All, we had a Yamaha stuff, CS eighty the ARP twenty six hundred many movie. And of course. The dream machine. Tanto known in the dream machine this. No No, no, no, no way before clammy. This is what's in Clavier was trying to be like. Is this one black man that little automated. No, no, no, this is! This is a custom keyboard from Yamaha. Three! Tiers of keyboard. All White and chrome and the speaker is about as tall as I am, and for those of you don't know that's like five. Eight sixty deceased now you. Know five seven five eight on a good day, but they're. They're taught beautiful spears and. I Have Beautiful Fond memories of sitting next to Stevie just the two of US wagging our heads together playing the parts to Saturn. Playing the string parts to join inside my dears. Just the two of us on. Okay that's just a couple of things and then And there are I believe. Four of these in the world. Of course, Steve owns them. And they're not cheap, and they're not even they're not even in production anymore. He stopped about. You know years ago, but. yeah, incredible instrument, and so yeah, I mean I I had. You know. clarinets and all that other kind of stuff, so let me ask if. Usually in a musician's life. I mean they're just a sponge when you know if they discover music girly from like ten eleven twelve. You know the response. They're open to anything you your your first taste of maturity comes in you like fifteen sixteen years old when you start like. Putting away childish things and you. You know it's something affects you. Can you tell me I've heard? I like to hear the accounts of of people. When they first discovered music of my mind was that. was that did that album have an effect on you as far as like a huge Whoa, what is this huge? See because I love it so much. But of course I was born in seventy, one so me discovered it in nineteen, seventy nine is way different than being there in real time. What was that moment like to hear those patches in those? Like like that I i. it just made me realize that he was. A VISIONARY! When it came to. Creating. Sounds that. that. You know. that. Accurately described his feelings. you know the? and. The the amazing way he used the new technology of that time to essentially orchestrate. Because you know when you hear things like you know against superwoman, and his use of those. High. Sense and everything, and and and and how he combined you know the newer instruments with traditional instruments like piano. Drums INS and so forth so and of course the the songwriting, every aspect of it, the songwriting the vocal approach The the level of musicianship 'cause you know, let's let's remember. He played everything. And so that had a. he's effect, but you know it was. It was A. it was a gradual progression because I didn't just get into songs in the cave live cousin. For. That, but then you know. Just just going along. The ride journey with him. The progression you know from fingertips to From Even before no, no before that I ask of. Science who deliver? the cover of we can work it out shooed out a you know. A beautiful right now yeah I, met you match you know things like that? And then from that solely crossing over into the the more mature era, starting with coming from which was of course, a precursor to museums line, and we're coming from Canada doesn't get enough credit because we're where I'm coming from had a couple of gems like I'd never dreamed you leave. Okay so yeah, sugar and Leave. And Happiness. Isn't not a song on. Science are still delirium. Do? Do! Educate your mind, you know so. Gadgets that. You know so I kind of stuff and So. Going along that journey and then. Ending up at the beginning of the five great album era, starting with songs with music and my mind because. The reason why I call it that is because there were five albums that were completely great where every song was great. There are other albums before, and after that had great songs, but not complete music in my mind was a complete good album. Innovations was a complete great albums. Talking book was a complete great album. A. Villainous personality was a complete great album and we won't even discuss Sawsan. Keep life, so that's five right there that five album by the way that ended at twenty five. Wow. It's reminding you that because he was twenty five when songs and keep life was. Right before. Exactly, that's a perspective. 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I was given another perspective years later by one of Steve's former managers who explained from his end. How the process went down for my audition. So Ricky goes to the studio. Anti auditions and he's told he doesn't get the gate. He leaves with his tail between his legs, and he's like obviously dishearten, and he leaves the studio. He's outside the studio. He feels in his pocket and remembers that my cassettes in that he still has my cassette. He goes back to the studio and says to one of the managers at the time listening I got this friend. His name is Greg again and you know. I promise them that I'd give this tape to. He's a keyboard player and I promise it. I! Give this cassette to St Check him out. Would you mind just making sure he has it? The Guy says sure. Puts it on a table. With a pile of cassette. Steve was not there at the time he stepped away. Some time later he comes back sits down at the table with the cassettes. He's fishing around all of a sudden he. Grabs. Grabs. Sticks it in. Presses plays thing he's. and. He's stops wagging his head because he's got like a kind of. Disconcerted look on his face and he sees still he goes. He takes the casinos. What's this say? So the guy says. Grech of course he butchered by last night. And so steve reportedly said get him. So because apparently. What I'll, I'll get to that, so he he they they they. They call ricky pack. A see a ricky and he was only changed his mind. Well. Not Exactly. But you know your friend. Can you call him? Okay Ricky so so I know right, so that's what, but then the reason why Steve reacted. The way did apparently legend has it is because? He thought it was him. Playing and he couldn't quite figure. Oh I guess I left a bit of an impression which is kind of what I wanted to do, so that's. That is crazy. It's bananas. And actually remember telling Steve that like. Maybe like A. Couple of years ago. And he said all right well, that sounds. We'll go with that. sense right. So you just auditioning to be the band, but. You wound up on songs keep, life. Four Times. So, okay, being either storm. What because I remember like now, it doesn't seem like. A year and a half was all that long wait from seventy four till seventy-six buddy was yeah, and it wasn't Berry Gordy exactly right so. One what. What was taking so long and why? Well of course I I know that you know fine wine takes. Its time, but I'm his fine wine. And then there's Stevie wonder so by the time you're there. Do you know that it's going to be a double album? Or a two point five albums now i. just a lot of. Did he do that? I don't know. I don't know it was just because. For every one song that ended up on the record. There's about three or four that didn't. So you you do the math on that and so many songs. Do you think around doing just during that period? I it's endless. Because you know what I have. A few cassettes of unreleased stuff. Yeah I one two I'm pretty sure to. Preserve to and of just, and that's not even. You know. That's barely the tip of the iceberg. and. That's from back then. You know so it's it's added up over the decades So Yeah, he had a lot of stuff. And he had he had things like How. You gotta hear this. You gotTA. Hear this. You got it okay. Because it sort of. Ties in with your question All kinds of release stuff and The the night before my first show with him, which was in DC for a little thing, called human kindness day, which was on the grounds of the Washington Monument. Two hundred fifty thousand people. That's why I show. Oh There's an audition for you. So. The night before and you know Usually or traditionally Steve, what have a massive black bag full of tapes. Of Guess what. So. is somewhere found the. Intestinal fortitude to ask him him. I could borrow the bag. and. Do you know he said yes? What about that? I have. St I'm nineteen years old I. Have Stevie barely nineteen I have stevie wonder's bag of unreleased music. In my room wow a pair of headphones. You'RE GONNA. Do stay in there for like a week. Okay, so I'm just rifling through so I can't. I can't believe he said Yes to this day. And I'm playing stuff and and Amir for the first time I'm hearing. The original version of Juan. Your love and I cannot tell you. I cannot describe to you what it was like Amir. All I can say. It was that it was an instrumental. and. All the synthesizers were singing. Were singing Amir. Now, you know how it goes dude. Right. But in addition to the melody they had his background since going do do BOP do do do. Do Do. Do in harmony I'm telling you. It was otherworldly. I never heard anything like it in my life, and I'm sitting there like. It was like. LSD and the best we ever can. Can and I don't do drugs, but I'm talking about. It was like all those combined and it was just like. Mike. And, that's one thing I heard and I heard all kinds of stuff that I i. Can't even describe. The feeling. and. and. I gave it all back to him the next day, and I was a changed man. So none of this stuff is ever come out the outtakes from from songs in the key ally for the Democrats and. Know! Well he has this and. About I don't know I have no idea, but there's another. There was another song called living for your love. And I think. He has since released that, but the original version of that was the best, and that was done on the the dream machine to all these weird sounds Bogo Bogo. Doodoo. Doodoo. What at Doodo I mean just crazy stuff you know. And original someone you love. That was i. mean the version you heard was what seventy five seventy six. Seventy five sounds about seventy five sounds about usually when we get stuff. Especially the. Years later it's been. A little bit yeah. Burnett to just. Leave it off the record like not yet. Yeah, yeah, that one and so the one you know about you. Doesn't hold. It doesn't even compare. Doesn't even though you think you like that. So! I gotTA do. Why did he part ways with? The togas with Bob. De Bob. Malcolm I don't think it anything. I was just there in the program. I mean they introduced him to the whole world of since with with with Tato and I think it was just. Time to change the I. Don't think it was anything you know. Negative I don't really know much about the split, but I don't think it was anything. You know. I don't think it's because any issues. At me like was it amicable, but yeah. I was just trying to figure out if. You know. For what they were doing with him between seventy, one and seventy, four with A. Size of rooms. Yamahas making these because of what I wanNA know is is. The the ability to play chords with these patches. At what what year was it that you are able to play more than one note if the at horizon. On I can't remember the exact year, but It. It was Kinda going on when I was there because of the dream machine. Because of the CS eighty, you had polyphony with those instruments, but I think as far as the split from Malcolm and Bob he just. He just it just seems to me thinking about it that he wanted a more hands on approach and he was able to do. He felt he could do. More on his own with the technology of that time, because you know what you got, the two thousand, six, hundred now and you know, but that was. That was even that was around even during a before. Because that was on them. You know it was the the the bay sound for Boogie on. So I mean you know You know that you've was around, but I just think he. Wanted to take more of a hands on approach and just do just create a sound on his own. So what songs are you on? As far as the actual tracking, right, so Saturn okay. Contusion and the only reason why mom contusion is because that crazy line that. Symbolic came out with. He couldn't play it. And I said well I can't. So he said okay, go so. That's me doing doubling. Doubling Michael on on synth. Show, yeah, and that's the only reason on that and then. Probably. Isn't she loved my my favorite. Won't one of my favorites for sure Well. Yes, isn't. He? Loved at and one of my favorites for joy inside my tears. Streaming parts that so and I play the roads on. Isn't she lovely? So were those songs all track together with a group of people now. No, isn't she? Lovely wasn't offered up I. I. Definitely remember that. but also remember meeting. The subject to that song in a little crib at his brownstone in New York I remember going up stairs and looking down on the crib going. She's cute. but yes. It was rose overdubbed on. Isn't she? Lovely It was kind of like Was overdubbed on on contusion as well. Stephen. I did the string parts? And the the orchestral parts together on joy inside my tears and. Saturn. So when the album comes out in seventy six. By the way we we? He actually had t shirts made up. We're not done yet. We're almost. Almost. FINISHED HERE SO Steve. Rudy. We did. Deangelis taking five years Voodoo. To that are. T shirts that you know you could still wear them. So I do love that guy, though with when in seventy, six in September seventy six when this comes out. What was just recently found. Have you guys ever seen that? E- PK that's online when the presses is hearing. Songs and then key for the first time. have any of you guys seem as now so when you add like Google songs in the key of life, E-. It's like a listening session of really of. Fifty key Rockford even like Robert Christie gallons there when he was like his younger days, but they're all listening together and to watch them collectively jaw drop like after they here Sir Duke for the first time and you know it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen, but it's on Youtube. But Youtube out to watch people. Well That you know I was in first grade by the time it came out, and what was it Mike September? My homework. No. Got Socks older than you. First Grade. My homework was you know, have mom and dad by this album and you know we all had a copies school the next day and we're. Reading the liner notes and all that stuff. No, the the Llanos alone like changed my life, but what was it just in in in real time into tour behind this? What was it like to? Well first of all it wasn't. He didn't tour off of this Wait a minute, you sure I'm kind of sure. Like you do you guys remember that episode of the Grammy Awards where he was in Africa, but that wasn't a tour, we we. We went to Legos Nigeria. Because, he wanted to perform there and it. It was it turned out to be. You know in time. Or during the grandma, and we did a remote segment, and that's the that's where you you. You have Andy Williams asking the immortal question Stephen. Those the weirdest thing to watch US seven. On this telephone, but that explains Dress and all that African garb. Yeah was failing at the shows. I I think I. Think so I don't remember I. Don't remember, but I think so I have kind of I only have one memory of legos. But anyway, What it is. That that we we rolled up and we stayed in this very opulent hotel. and. It was like you know. Goldfish irs in the bathrooms and everything and I remember We I remember. My Room was high up and I remember looking down on the beach and seeing people squatting. On the beach and and being huts. I remember that but. It was wild. Man I. I also remember like the auditorium we. We actually performed that you know. The crowd was great raucous. You know, and and I'm like can we're doing a remote program broadcast to the grammys says crazy? But, that's so. We didn't tour off of that. Album. He didn't really do formal tours. Just did one offs like. Playing Jamaica and having Bob Marley open for us. That didn't suck. You know and I remember when we were rehearsing, and he told us that we were going to Jamaica like I immediately went out and got. Charlie's Molly's album, which was What was that still hallmark? What was the name of that? No Catch fire. No, it had I don't remember the name of the, but it had. been done and it had. Looking yeah, it's. It's a cl- you. Did no catch, a fire burden. natty dread must be natty dread okay yeah roots rock. Music does Russell embrace him that one okay. Roots Rock reggae. I remember yeah, okay, so I remember getting that and just playing it over and over again and then next thing you know we're not Marley's opening. Up For us. Crazy. So that and not touring. Though because he stayed, he wanders just different. He's just you know. Place now he he was just all over the place just for those album like those songs and. That's so weird I thought he didn't tour behind a secret life of plants, but I definitely thought tourist. Oh No, no, no, we like I say! My days would see real. Yeah, now, my first. GIG was. The human kindness day in DC and I don't remember what what happened consecutively after that but I know Jamaica. you know legos and. Things like that, but not a lot of not a lot of. Action not a lot of action, not anything. For more consistent that you would you would. Classify as a tour, but did he wants you exclusively his. Because I'm trying to figure out exactly. What did you ease to the Jackson's? While we were all retainer and that was the that was. The other cool thing about being the ban and it's like. I just joined I. Just turned nineteen and I. Make Him five hundred dollars a week, and on my okay, this is it this? Is it right here? This? Is it on retainer like every week. And was that okay? I'm so glad you said that what? For a working musician, yeah, was that a good living in one, thousand, nine, seventy, five, seventy six at that time? Yeah, okay offer for was great for me Okay Yeah. today. That's not even an hour me. You're five hundred day were probably be like. Four, thousand, five, hundred, a week or something, but yeah something like that, but or at least ten times as much but. It was great and. So I was with him from seventy five till the beginning of seventy, nine January seventy, nine the last chat with him was in Atlanta. I remember that. And then it was It was tough to say goodbye. but I realized that I needed to or else. I was going to remain stagnant. Yeah. Mold to be a producer knows it. Just I had I had a goal to to expand. To the to the extent that I could because. This was based on. Promises! Kept promises of you know producing an album on wonder love. Everyone? Has that story yeah? He kept promising as he was gonNA. You know doing album and. It got to the point where we believed them less and less than one as I look I'm doing this and this is where we do. We're going to go. We're GONNA, leave here and we're going Outta here and we're going to Louisiana. We I! Don't know how he found this place, but there is I don't even know if it still exists now, but there was back then. A studio called studio in the country. Never more. was there an appropriate name? For A facility? Because this place was in Bogalusa Louisiana Dale because. Thank you. Looked at Google it. BOGALUSA exists anymore, but it did then, and it was deep, deep deep in the country, and isn't a house. Studio and it was a cool studio do. It was it was it was a proper studio was how deep in the country in late was it was deep. It was it was in the sticks, but it was great. People were wonderful. It's still open. Butler, it is okay. How about that studio in the country in Bogus Louis Louisiana? We went down there and You know we hung out. And I have to tell you about. My most memorable experience of being there because you haven't lived until you've been in a car with Stevie, wonder Oh yeah. I was waiting for the car and story so hit. You haven't lived until you've been driven. Worst. Accident No, no, so here's what happened, so we're feeling frisky Rennell Dell. And you know just like Messing around and all of a sudden our remember who else I was with, but it's a small group of us and somebody said Hey. Steve WanNA drive. Mature so we go out, go to somebody's car in the parking lot. It was an open. You know there were very few cars in the lot. And, we all get in the car and he gets behind the wheel and it's like. His life, he's cracking up. To whoever was sitting next to him, was like okay. Go this. Go Right, go left. He's like. Hey? Hysterical and we're just dying laughing. We're GONNA. Go okay, this is something to remember. Shit Yeah. So that was the most memorable thing unfortunately didn't happen, we made. We made a good amount of music. We all took turns trying to be junior. DVD's You know I I. Came up with a couple of songs. That weren't really great. You know whatever and At one point he left. WHAT'S IN NEW YORK? And that was the beginning of the end, and he started phoning things in and all of a sudden. We're just kind of left us. To fend for ourselves. And I was like okay. You know what? Uses it really going to happen. So I had to make up my mind. And it was a tough decision, but there were two times in my life when I felt. Spiritually depleted and it was. Crucial for me to move and that was the first time. Man Yeah So. This was so now at the beginning of of secret life of plants or Well? Let's see no because. I was still in the band when he was working on that. I didn't play any that was all him. What was the germ coarsely him, but was the general conversation because you know usually. With what they called the departure record. Yeah, it's supposed to be seen as as my artistic left Teradata. But I guess later in life. All of us here sort of discover that the departure record is kind of A. Means to. Ruin it before you get ruined or. It's the self sabotage sabotage boop. And as you think, will plans were well the. Most most departure albums usually happen after your biggest. Your biggest outright right and you don't want to express the fear of. You having run out of ideas or that sort of thing, so it's sort of like it's safe to do looking. Yeah! Let me do the absolute left Erin trouble, man, yeah, trouble around the World Day. Starts rappers. Sometimes it backfires, and it becomes. It becomes even bigger so for what was just the general movement like Hey I'm going to an all instrumental album. Another holds weight and no I don't think it had anything to do with that I. Think it. You have to look at it like this. I think it had to do with wanting to take on the challenge. Of doing a score. This was a score to be done by a blind guy. Let's just. Let's just that the movie was dumb. No! More the score self. Never saw. Blind Guy doing a score for movie. How does that? Who Does that? Let's see so he hires. Somebody. Really graining. Or somebody really. Extra visionary, but No, he I think he just dug the challenge. He was really into the challenge of doing it, and that was the premiere of someone you love. But he really got into it. He really got into the challenge and wanted to know as much. About. The movie you know as many details as he could get, and he just forced. is entire being into that for the record? That's my favorite stevie record, and not to become really really I mean. Is this you know? I was eight years old and that was. That was my pink floyd. Dark side of the Moon. Okay, okay, the headphones on is imagine stuff. Sure it just like I didn't know about have pop hooks. My Dad hated it, so he's like here. You take it. And spoke to me as as an eight year old so it. Gets pretty well. Actually we're? Talking to him. About. Doing some. Hopefully some some dates like to do it in. Its entirety to a plant, yeah! Just let the cat told. And we'll just. This until after. Four words, Bro. Good luck with that. We're talking stage. Talking. Salons. So I mean that's basically. But I. Just look with that I'll be calling. To. Audience! So was destiny your? First Foray into arranging. And really to me is saying like why okay we got to get into the titles of yeah, because I only saw these credits on Jackson downright finger. Snap Arranger. Because they were all dying for credit. I get it because they wanted they were so desperate to be on their own, and they just wanted to do. Okay like I'm the one that set the Mike. I'm the one that chose studio. Whatever the Jackson's have strangers credits of all time that stuck with me for life. Yeah, so talk to me about you. Come aboard destiny I will, but to answer. The question wasn't my first four. Wait for a into arranging because I was cutting my teeth. I was allowed to cut my teeth. arranging wise thanks to the partnership. Of Dick, Griffey and Dot Cornelius thank you. Wo-. Tom Dick Griffey Bill. Yeah, solitary records! Yeah, no, don't say, don't don't you? Dare say uptown. Please don't say shall Lamar's Garden No. But let me I do some Sean my the soldiering game. GotTa remember that but I remember doing I remember working on different artists of there's of course I believe it of course Addicts Gary Lucas. Larry I, I did a couple of albums I did There was another Oh. God was another band. It was like two guys. and. They had sort of like an Indian name. I can't remember right now, But they had all these. They had a small stable of artists. And the including the whispers. And I did a lot of stuff and they let me just. Do they just let me range way? In your wikipedia. It's that I know Carrie Fisher's. What? That is so. I don't know who they won't take it away I. Don't know who to right to make that correction, but it's really annoying. It doesn't matter because one of the Dixie. hummingbirds was my grandfather. Okay and I got had to give embarrassed on national. TV once told me like He. He's not sure GRANDPA hoops. Yeah, exactly so you. Did some time under sultry. Yeah, but I enjoyed it. And I remember. Working a lot with the whispers and I remember one of the twin saying to me, you know what your problem is. I go no because you know too much. Can't accommodate, but you know. Yeah. He's like. I didn't understand it then, but I sort of get it now. Did you work on? Let's go all the way. Yeah. Yes. So when you're brought aboard, like what? Were you there just recession worker like what? What was your title? I don't really think I had a title I wasn't like I wasn't like A. Staff producer or anything like that I I was just brought into play sessions, and sometimes arrange either horns or rhythm, or whatever okay. Here's something. Good is a new show from the Seneca Women Podcast, network and iheartradio. It's a great way to start your day on the positive side of life. We were introduced to live by partner. 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The, drummer. who became an executive at CBS, said you know. We need to do more ranging go well. I don't know really no, actually you do and here's here's who who you're going to do it with. Next you know I'm in a room with Jackson's. Lab. So. Met All the brothers and You know. Remember the time this was. When they finally left. Clutches of Motown and This was after the Villian philly thing you know, and so now they're trying to establish themselves as producers, but CBS was cautious so they they brought him bobbies. Yes, to make sure things didn't get too OUTTA hand. You know and so Were you aware was? Dude I mean you were part of songs in the key light by the yeah, like was the Jacksons or going places on your radar by then, or is it like Do No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you I love the Jacksons I I had. Just as many genes about them, just about as I had a Steve Oh absolutely man because the first of all when I was eight. And I saw the Beatles on Sullivan. I said right. That's what I want to do. So the Beatles. just changed my life and then. The monkees. Changed my life because they were the American, Beatles. And, then the Jackson Five. Right. tastic I mean they even have their all cartoon show? What brand? Cartoon George Saturday. So I was. Pleased I, want you back? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me right now? So it's like yeah. I was all about the Jackson. Five and I had visions on it. Wouldn't it be great if Actually like meet them, or as what's incredible next thing you know I'm in a room and here they are. And we're doing the destiny album and my first assignment was. This little. Overly, whitebread tune called. Blame it on the boogie. Blaming. That we've interviewed. My okay well. Let's see how we can talk this up. Jackson. Seem. Kind of Wipe it works now. Here's one expects it when. Spin it! Yeah, exactly but back then it was like really we're gonNA. Make this a Jackson. So, my my bobby brought. That's on the US. I can't remember. Bobby brought it to them. But were they to it? Well actually yeah. Okay. I, yeah, you know. generally speaking but my mantra back then was all right. I'm out here my own. What would stevie do that was my thing. Why would you? Why was DVD so I, would bring in like. Former band members to play on. Early recordings, so I'm always thinking. What was TV do so? It's like right. See gotta make it Funky. Dictum didn't do. So, that's what you know. That was the basis of that, and then you know things. built from there I didn't do the Horta razors for that song, but they did turn out cool. was that Tom Tom or it wasn't it wasn't. Yet I don't I. Don't remember who did. The horns for that tom-tom didn't. Come until later on time. Did the horns for shake your body down I? Was You know? They. They wanted their bad at that. By that point, they definitely want. were fire influenced. You know so. We all top Washington come with his crazy stuff. I love Tom over but for destiny. Yeah, that's that was the the first song and then we just took it from there and it was You know. marriage-made-in-heaven. So. How? How do you even approach like you're dealing with the five of them, yeah? WHO's the? Alpha as far as like the music ideas you have to. Like. WHO'S THE DAD? WHO's the person to get the idea for? Because I'm certain benefits like we'll have peace them. It was all of them. That way you know. What was it a psychological thing where it's like? Yeah, the JEDI mind trick and I don't like this arrangement. Unlike the song. My Mind Jemaine was broke vocal. Jackie was vocal known. Zaki was actually. Not as vocal. SELENA's vocals Jemaine I think the the the main characters in that. Yeah so. I was. Found it okay. Know I'm having so much fun right now. Waiting. Around in my mind. Ask stops. Wasn't. Crush right SORTA. Over for Marlin, Girl. Let's see okay, so we had Michael Randy Randy St- Marlin. Jackie and Tito okay, so the the most local were Michael Marlin and Randy Randy was one of the more creative ones. Okay forced her. And But all the idea was just kind of run through the the. The general pipeline between all of them It wasn't. I. Don't remember being a as. As you might think. but here's the thing, though so the question they usually love. They generally love mind. Is You know that was the division of Labor like at working on destiny like who did what? Oh, Gosh, well. Little foggy on the best way to answer that They are Kinda wanted to. Chip in for instance. With with Can you feel was on. Right okay so I, gotTa. I gotta go to that album as as an example so can you feel it specifically I, had you know several? Or casually ideas. And one of them was like during the the main part of. So you got that thing going on, and then he got an on So I I had to wear. You know you'd have a an orchestra chime. Followed by a gone I, mean by. So it'd be like mine DD. Like that right, so you'd have that. You know you'd have like one eighth being the orchestra chime in very next being the Tiffany, and so they you know we had one guy. The chime and another guy do the tiffany everybody wanted to. Play a part in it and it was cool, you know. So I would just answered by saying, they all wanted to do whatever they could. It was reasonable just to to contribute question about things, I do for you, Oh, yeah. Now. It's seventy so. All in all by earth, wind and fire's about a year old. How much to Jupiter have to do that song because basically. East dude farmers later fifteen seconds. Literally the first burst. And the bridge things I do for you is like from the DNA of. Of Jupiter by Earth wind fire of which I imagine that you know most songs. I'm and I even think that the DNA of of Teddy Pinta. Grass's get up. Get Down Funky caboose. was somewhat of a basis for Segi body down to the ground. Clinton. Don't. It's forgiving, isn't it? It's frightening songs. But the thing is most songs. Most songs are usually started with songs they signed. There's a germ. Twisted. I totally agree with that I I did not give it up. You know. All about the. Gin Phone was all about. You know that was on seventy six, so I can imagine that the DNA of that stuff up in the air and then taking it okay. What while I didn't want I? Never looked at it that way for that. Song I do see your point and to that point. Is Very possible because I can tell you that they were highly influenced by. Awf We. All were because. For heartbreak hotel. They wanted the exact same. Based sound. From fantasy. there. They wanted that they specifically talked about that to the point where we brought in her knee. A having duplicated onto. And he could. Cause instead of down and ask them. What was that sound? I I remember that and I remember bringing him in. About Verdy white which I don't know if I WANNA. But what now I love it, you can't. You can't say anything bad. What good finishes! We to get back to that, did you? Know. You gotta read that and you gotTa have some conversations with Phil Billy. I feel like there's there might be a Brian Wilson. Beach Boys Okay parallel thing going on with the album version, and plus if you start reading the David also about his involvement in. Okay, I don't believe they played on records. Then, you don't think he played records. They played on. You don't eat athlete on their records. I don't think so. No I got it on on that. I've gotta I gotta I gotTA differ there. Things but I've asked a lot of questions and I feel like there's a Brian Wilson. Beach boys situation going on with Maurice and. Because even you gotta get in the middle of his book because there's a lot of friction after once once Charles Stephanie died. Yeah, then that's when Moore sorta thing and then you know who's this guy? And why is he playing role in Batista's Back Group? Wait a minute I'm you know Johnny Graham Lieven Super Pandora's Box. Okay, no pun intended. I would really love to talk to you about this like on the side. But. You won't get a beaten. Interest really pay. A mere routes planned the records on your. Long Story! Why do you think we weren't from a trio to like eleven? People in the band because you had to okay, go gonNA tell them. Initially James was a ghost player, but then it was like. Do you your Billy Preston? You've been? James has been the roots since Illinois Athlete and Kamal on the record. On the record, too, but I'm just saying that for loud. The more complex it. James's is so. It's like you know just just wondering. You trying to lie ear me on my own show. I. Nobody's. Immune Immune. Lord. Backseat! Back to Is is actually okay so. CAN YOU BELIEVE I? I was so they brought in. We brought in. And he wanted to do and we couldn't get that. We couldn't get that fixed it. In fantasy because they wanted to duplicate it for. Harper. And it was close, but it wasn't. Actually wasn't even close it wasn't it? Wasn't that same sound for fantasy and we were? Slightly disappointed, but you know we used it anyway. So what was I going to say about it? Yeah, so I mean to your point about that other. What was the song you brought up? Things do. Too. I just never looked at it that way, but it's an interesting take well also. You're in the thick of disco yeah. And I'm super shocked that there's no four on the floor. The remix to to blame it on the boogie was four and a floor enough with the little extra Congo things. But you guys were obviously putting. All of your eggs in the basket of secret by down. Because I there's GonNa say. What do you think that was? But here's the thing though it's like it was such. Nonsense seven seven seven ninety three eleven have I heard? A funk song. and which the one the to the three and the four are not even emphasize. Okay, mayor I have two words for you. Hit Me. You're welcome. Yeah it was you know. I came up with the beat. I know you did. That's why that's why you're here. Okay, but it's like. It's it's. It's nineteen seventy eight. Yeah! And this go is at. Its flaming I. Mean You guys were basically? David to his glide. Wide decided to take that risk I. didn't even look at it like that I. Don't know if they did I. Really didn't i. just my thing was what would steve. And I wanted to come up with something really cool, and you wanted to go funk and not does go. That's WH-. That's how it spoke to me. So I wasn't even. Thinking about this, I was thinking about what would be the most. Effective way to make this. This long song! Remain interesting. Six minutes later. was there even a suggestion for a bridge or now? No because we all knew it was cool the way it was I just wanted to. Give it something unique rhythmically. That were driving. The AM I my aspiration was was Steve's Unorthodox. Drumming style with the Hatton's yeah, yeah, so you think like love having you around that whole like yeah I was thinking. I was. The Hi hat times everything. And by the way when we had Ed Green, the legendary session of play, he couldn't play the whole thing. Out. In three different. Tell case so when we got we. When I heard the pastor or the mass of Yeah Okay and once I pulled. The second and the third addition of the driveway and her just a typical. God. It's like Oh. This is a normal drum break i. don't know what it was. Which is why tact, Dude. That was the first day I heard. Then the times and then the high it. So. What was on your mind when you add those tomtoms and such an odd spot? Because I didn't add it in my head I was able to play the whole thing. At was so. The the entire thing is to be. Conducted so that's how I was hearing it, and that's but but since he could only do one bit at a time. That's how we. Mapped it out, but. For me. It was the whole concept that I felt would work. For the for the on, that was not normal thinking. Well. That's because I'm a keyboard player. It's the it's. The equivalent Alex. It's the equivalent of. All right if you go to roulette table. With one hundred bucks, and then let's say like you got lucky, and then you made three hundred. And you could just. You're walking away. You're in the parking lot. Greg basically the the rhythm version of be are. You Ran. Just, put everything on like one really not even all black. He's GonNa play forty two and see what happens. If there's already, too. He's still and it's Russian roulette. Is that you do because it's like they got three chances. I mean the Jackson's was fine. They went gold and it was cute. The little summer series thing on CBS. Stain them. But going places was like a decline and I love that record still, but they needed. They needed. Desperately needed era kosher. Yes, yeah, this was super bowl. Patriots versus the giant site with Rice time with yes, I'm making in football. I'm waiting and waiting for me to mess up. Yeah, we saw in the. Super Bowl last ten seconds left in the giants. Do Hell Mary Pass Yeah? I. Know? That's. It's just amazing to me because thank you. Know 'cause. Lie. I wasn't really look looking at it. That way I just. First of all. If I felt that kind of pressure I pr- I'm sure I wouldn't come over. I mean I just you know. They played me the song and I thought Oh. That's so cool, dad. Johnson conscious of your genius. Stop that I wasn't I, didn't all I wanted to do was? Come up with a really. HIP AND DIFFERENT GROOVE and again it goes back to what Stevie do and that's. That was the inspiration for the whole thing. Does he know that? Does he know that? You think you approach things that way the Stephen Does he now? I. I think he does. Or did he? Down a template for that song, no, he didn't know that. Wow No. So. Don't stop to get enough. DID THAT BRIDGE! A. We know the song. giving us a background music. Play Way! You can play, but actually I should've I should've brought my little. Souvenir. We found by the way Yvonne it. PODCAST, it's not visual anyway, but you know I I have at the House I have a forty five with both are. We talking. About after you, so backstory Greg did me and boss Bill's Classen in nyu. Where he told us the story that he's about to tell and. Since then I've been my mission to. Every forty five with your name on it. I have three now. Really Yeah, hell! Yeah, that's that's my obsession. Any any. Don't stop to get enough with your name on the writers credit. Wow I found it. All right, so tell tell the story. Okay! Spike asked me to. Tell the story to when he did the DOC. For was it. And I did. And it, but it didn't make via. The estate has no control over this show, so yeah, okay, thank. They say was like I. Don't think so, I don't think so. So! Get a call from Mike he wants me to come by. To. Write a song. Or two hear Song Right I go. Okay So I. Hop on over to Hayvenhurst and See many plays me. This thing is his It just needs. Something just needs another section. So I hear it and. You know it's fantastic immunity. Everything's there. The I the hook. Cool groove, everything's great says yeah just needs one more second section so I go. And probably in the time that it would take you to the jeopardy theme song. I came up with. QB Bridge. in. A. So I I played that and then I said so. What do you think he goes? I like it. So yeah says yeah. Core so and I'm thinking came on. He did asked me to come over to right so. I'm guessing I should call myself a CO writer. So I says well SO I. Am I going to? Get A. Piece of this because yeah. Really says yeah. I says well. What do you think he goes? What do you think I? Go? What do you think you need so doing? We're going back and forth on that so now in my mind. There's another sound for what's going on in my mind. Wheels are spinning. And all this is happening in nanoseconds right so I'm thinking Oh my God. What do I what do I? What do I say? What's how much fifty dollars a? Forty nine. Thirty Five I. Don't know twenty five well. Maybe I'm not sure fifteen. I keep talking about. Down I talked myself. I admit to what number so I said well. How about ten percents Oh my? That sounds fair. I know, but stay with me so I says what what about ten percent goes? Okay I go really was yeah. I even know how I drove home because I could've. Levitated. So, I'm just like loopy at this point. Right and I'm just so excited. Some days pass. I get something in the mail. It's a contract. Open it up. and. I'm looking and I'm scrolling I I? Don't even pay attention to the fact that they miss bill my last. Thank care. that. They use the t instead of I. Don't care. To hear. Yeah. I don't care I. Get past that. It's at the top of the contract anyway I. Don't care I scroll down. I go man. I'm looking for the punch line and I see. Ten percent I go. So! Some more time passes right. It's more days pass, and then I got a phone call and is from one of. My manages at the time. It was either wiesner Freddie. Demand probably Freddie. And he says. Hey Greg that contract we I, said. Yes, no problem is on the way back to you any any second now. No worries. He's like well, not so fast. And this is where you have the sound effect for a breaking car. To. And I go. What do you mean he goes well? Michael's been thinking about this and. Turns out that he is determined that what you did was more of A. On arrangement. So. That's under the category of arrangement. So what we're going to do is we're just GONNA. Hang Break Michael. We're we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Pass on that contract part so thanks free counter bution, and we'll check back with you. Would you give the arrangement? The difference Monica God. Well. I got a pat on the back. And Lai see this was. My introduction to. Business. Site question. Did you have a lot more to say about it, but did you. Let me go ahead. Is One of the Times I got to interrupt so with this Tony and triumph. With destiny and triumph. Were there any talks of hey. Guys can't get co-production at least store. What am I doing here? Because Sessions you're leading at Shit. Yeah I know I know, and and yes, there were. And there was an answer for that question. No there was an answer. The answer came in the form of the term. Associate Producer which doesn't mean shit is doesn't mean anything, but you know they've figured they'd just throw me half of bone on bone and shut me up. That's the answer to that question, but I gotta go back because. As, I was saying. My introduction to business and and. The fact that I was. Not only young, but of the makeup that. Didn't. WanNa fight. non-confrontational. And this. Is The difference between me? And I'd say nine out of the ten. Artists in today's world because they are freaking savvy, they don't care. And I. Applaud them for that. I applaud them for their their business, savvy and their their their Their understanding. But unfortunately. In a lot of ways nothing has changed from. What happened to me and you know forty years before that in the fifties to listen to to these days, 'cause there's still those horror stories of people just being grossly unfair for virtually no reason. And would you said the ten percent wanted broken, of course not wasn't that. That's not the issue the issue is. The appearance. What No, yeah! I want it all and the issue is the, but now while this is going on while these days are passing, and while the we know the contracts in the works, and before I get the phone call from Freddie. The forty five. The single was already going to print. It was already being pressed. That's why you have an copies with my name and Michael's because. Even people like Quincy thought our main Greg is in. He's in there. Maybe he was so proud of me. And then you know because that was the first pressing. It already went to press with my name on it. only for Michael to change his mind later on see, that's when we talked to Quincy. He had this kind of disposition asked Michael now was messed up but Michael. Yeah, but guess what. There's a quincy version of that, too. And if you WanNa, hear that Quincy Jones Story, make sure you tune into next week parts you. Love Supreme Interview with the One and only Greg filling game. I'm sorry to leave you hanging like that Pacino. Makes Y'all come back next week. We'll have more treats for y'all also checkup Suprema. All the joints ache going games at his hand him plan. A lot of records got all that, therefore you. Will see on the next. Course love supreme is a production iheartradio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts for my heart radio visit the iheartradio APP apple, podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Here's something. 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"Hello and welcome to the interstate. Five World Series Post Game. Show on Henry Showman. Well gave one of this. Golden Great Series proved once again that in the postseason. Good pitching doesn't always beat good hitting the northern California team jumped on Don Drysdale for five runs in the first inning in route to eleven. Nothing lead after three and eleven six victory. You wouldn't expect score like that in a game hitting Don Drysdale for the southern Californians and Randy Johnson for northern Californians on the mound but seal stadium. San Francisco played really small. The teams combined for seven homers including a pair of shots in the first inning by Barry Bonds and Joe Morgan. The first of two for bonds in the Game Ricky Henderson hit a three run homer as well for northern California while Jackie Robinson Duke. Snider and Robin. Yount all went deep for the so cal's in all the nor pounded Drysdale and Garrett Cole for five runs a Peach. The big unit was not particularly sharp allowing five runs in eight innings. But he had a lot of room to play with Dennis. Eckersley pitched the ninth to finish. That always important game. One we now bring in northern California manager Bruce Jenkins and Bruce this game to use one of your favorite words was Nettie while Henry any time you open with a win a seal stadium. You have to feel like you're having a good day. It was a beautiful day at Seals stadium a lot of nostalgia in the air. I love how worked out when we ride away. Ricki Henderson's on Bass Barry Bonds homers he homers again and then Ricky Ricky homers and Morgan homers. It was it was. I hate the word. Surreal because everybody says it in every sentence but it was a little bit strange to West Andres. They'll get lit up like that and Garrett Cole as well so it was just it was so delightful Henry that because they were. We were at seals stadium. And we're thinking back to the past. I was able to get Joe Cronin Tony Area Harryhelmet and left. Do in the game and different. These are all San Francisco legends. Yeah absolutely I mean Left Yo duels from Bayview High School. Harry Heilmann sacred. Heart's so is Joe Cronin and Tony. Lozari is Galileo I mean. We're Talking Way San Francisco and you know the pope in the postseason. We know it's it's not like the regular season at all nine. Nine hundred sixty four don drysdale gave up fifteen homers in over three hundred innings and He was just beaten around and You know what happens sometimes when you have a great pitcher who gets a huge lead? They lead up a little bit and That that seems to have happened a little bit with Randy Johnson With an eleven nothing lead yet room to play with and gave up five runs. And you know a couple of guys who played in in an old ballpark in Brooklyn are took him deep as well but You know it. I mean the lead was big enough that Dan. You're really neat. Dennis Eckersley in the ninth inning with that Big Leap. But you went to him anyway. Well I I wanted to make sure I won this game. I if somehow this game gets away from me. I've lost the opener at home. It's like what the hell you know. What's this guy doing did? It's a little bit extreme at everybody that you bring in is is a great pitcher could have been tug McGraw Righetti or one of the starters but I Ran Johnson a lot of rope and let him go with eight because the big lead and then I just close it out with a hammer. Were you just afraid of the glare? You would get if you'd gone out to the mound before the eighth inning to take him out. Yeah I got a lot of glares hitting fifth. He wasn't happy. So celebs a grumpy day at the yard. But it wound up being a lot of fun well game one win is is very important than and of course when you can set a tone with a big first inning like northern Californians. Did you know that that's all important? It takes the pressure off. Any pitcher takes pressure off the defense and The game started right away. Ricky Henderson did what Ricky Anderson does He drew a walk from Drysdale to start the game and then up stepped Berry bonds batting second in the lineup which is not where he's used to batting but he upset Barry Bonds number two and this is what happened with Joe. Let me yeah four. Three two and this is what happened with John. Miller on the call. Henderson leads away from Second. Drysdale checks now. The pitch bonds swung that boiling blasted. You can forget about this. One what I shot straight away. Centerfield and over everything maybe headed all the way to the bay bridge and incredible hormone by bonds over the four hundred ten footlocker over the scoreboard out into the parking lot and onto sixteenth street. Heading if not all the way to the Bay Bridge and Northern California had jumped ahead to nothing. Only two batters in the game if that weren't enough Joe Morgan a big home. Run in the first inning. And and you know bruce the even the even the southern California managers when they when they looked at the new lineup for Northern California and saw that saw that outfield A An outfielder Ricky Anderson and Barry Bonds you get D. H. Today and I mean Frank Robinson you know this is going to be trouble for the northern for the southern California team. Yeah Yeah and Joe Dimaggio Etcetera. I don't think I'm going to be messing with that group as the series goes on. It's so beautiful. Those those four at the top is really frightening is what it is. The whole lineup is good. I know they're pretty daunting for southern California. They're going to be seeing a lot of those same guys for sure. Okay so you're not going to be one of those tinkerers so I'm GonNa do some tinkering. I'm intending to get everybody some meaningful play. I feel real good about getting those four old timers system early action left. Doolan Harry Heilmann actually made plays in the outfield late in that game so It's it's a serious goes on. I'm going to give other guys a shot but that that top four. I'm not sure I mess with that Certainly no time soon. Okay and I imagine that you'll be able to With with so many good defensive outfielders out there imagine that Barry Bonds will probably continue in the designated hitter all really hit two homers today and it was the defensive ratings in a PBA. The Max you can get us. An outfielder is a three and ricky and bonds both Aba three so in terms of the game itself. Having Ricky out there then. That's a big debate. But you know bonds looks comfortable in the D. H. Lada. Hit Two out so why not? Just leave that alone. Okay and you know you you also have two of the biggest Well let's be frank. Terms read ashes in baseball with the big unit on the mound and Jackie Robinson. At the play You know right off the bat. I mean just to have Jackie Robinson playing in a world series game at Seals Stadium. I imagine that was pretty exciting. Actually both teams in the fans. You know it really was and Jackie homered off Randy Johnson. I'm just thinking. Yeah that's so cool. That's just that's just a great moment and Duke Snider as well as you mentioned that such a great thing. You've got two guys from the Brooklyn Dodgers James Against the big unit. Who's very modern day and I was just waiting for a bird to cross thrust in front of Randy Johnson and throw fastball that since the Burj. The feathered choir. Okay well the northern California team a big advantage up one nothing in a series that shifts to candlestick Park Tomorrow. And you know how candlestick plays a although in October. It can be pretty warm and as we've seen balls can fly out there to As well at this time of year and I mean what an advantage to have a one. Nothing lead and Tom seaver on the mound of you must be pretty pretty excited to manage that one. Well no question and especially against Walter Johnson going back to like nineteen thirteen People who saw him Fitch said these the fastest pitcher they ever saw. Even you know even as they came into the modern era he was like a Nolan Ryan. Colfax Kinda Guy So unbelievable matchup. They all are really. But you know Walter Johnson against Against Frank Robinson against Joe Dimaggio. This is what it's all about it. Serious fun well. Game One was a big day for San Carlos. Barry Bonds yet Oakland Ricky Anderson Oakland also. Joe Morgan With see round. Now tomorrow it'll be it'll be all about Fresno and I look forward to the game and I wish you well and Game Two becks Henry. We'll talk to them. That your game one. Recap SUBSCRIBE TO THE GIANTS. Splash or as plus podcast. So you can listen to all the recaps from golden greats interstate five world series.

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Friday 10/23/20 - 2006 Richmond Spree Murders

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24:17 min | 1 d ago

Friday 10/23/20 - 2006 Richmond Spree Murders

"Alright. Bank today is Friday October twenty third. Welcome to the dog walk presented by Barstool Sports. It's true crime Friday. Courtney's back according to how we doing today. I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good doing good. Unfortunately like. I. Feel every time I talked to you. It's like, yeah, everything's good for like five seconds here and intro and. Instantly, fall off a cliff. We should do something. Happy. One day. But. Just. Like a high note at the end or something has to be like a good fact or like something that. I think there is actually some good stuff that came out of this case but before we really get into it though I do WanNa talk about JP Graziano. Obviously. It's getting a little chilly out there. It's a fall football season. So Jim has as cheesy for Kacha and soup this time of year they take tomatoes minute tomato Ficarra and the villa with cheese and put it on a sandwich press that makes a little talion grilled cheese in Paris perfect with soupy senators us the other day I mean this is the real deal at sounds so good. It was like we were caught us off guard and he he just and we're very happy. He did it was is awesome like it was a perfect thing like you know those little. The the tomato Kacha. When you can order those. Yes. I'M GONNA have to get on that. Exactly. Yeah. That's know I don't know if they'll ship out there. But if you come back and it'll be, it'll be all right. Oh Yeah. You'll be back soon but they can't ship. Tastes, CHICAGO. Dot Com, they can ship jarring era they can ship with a Lotta score their tastes. Dot Com they're stacked up. It's beef season folks. So go on there get some peppers have yourself a nice a beef sandwich with your talents really whatever you want, put it on whatever it goes great with so many things but yeah J. Graziano get a sandwich get a soup J. Progressive Dot com tastes. Dot Com go support the people and Yeah JP Ghazi House. Okay. So so they would be talking about the two thousand six richmond spree murderers. and. Two weeks ago like the cases we talked about how like it kind of struck a chord with us more than like some of the other ones. This one is almost in the same vein isn't being in super fucked up, right? Yeah. Definitely. Vary a lot of Parrello's and I don't. I don't know if I'm like numb from doing trash I didn't hit me as hard probably 'cause we just talked about something equally as. Vulgar and disturbing or it's because the Cheshire. One took place in Connecticut where I am from so I don't know but this one yet probably equally as fucked up. Yeah, for sure. So I mean. Let's just kind kick us off here There's there's two guys that kind of really get into this and there's just kind of terrorize the Richmond area. Yeah. So it's like you said its enrichment in I think. Everything. Really. Talk about happens within like a week and it happens to be New Year's which sucks is like the worst time the holidays. So there's a neighborhood in Richmond called woodland heights and the six place on new. Year's Day no six There was a really like a nice two story home in Woodland Heights the the home belonged to a family called Harvey family and I guess every year they had this party big party for their friends to come over. So one of the friends arrived for the party I think around like one ish in the afternoon and noticed smoke coming out of the house. Cinco like immediately went to the neighbors is like call nine, one, one So when the fire department arrived, they went into the house and they found four bodies in the basement. And I think originally, they just like the the bodies down there were clearly. Deceased in thought it was a smoke inhalation but like after looking closely, they could see that they were actually they were bound and they were beaten. So the members of the family down there where the wife whose name is Catherine, the Brian and then two daughters Stella, who is nine and Ruby who is for So terrible once again, here we go talking about poor little children The Dad was a musician in a band and that also I think he works like the local school district in the mom owned a gift store in town and they were just like a really well respected family who lives in a nice area of Richmond So that's really where it all starts. That's Wordstar to, and like you said, it's we'll get more in depth because there are some bone chilling findings of what happened here and I. You know I'll let you kind of take it gets the right amount. But when we get there, it's it's pretty jarring of what happens with the youngest daughter and Everything and I you know. Yeah. So like they were I, it's Like it's pretty disturbing like I said, but like they're all them, their hands were bound their legs bound. Some of had socks in their mouth and there was stab wounds on the mom in the neck. Four year old girl had severe injuries to the throat the ninety nine year old also had injuries the neck the dad had head injuries. All forehead skull fractures Ange, there were two hammers like lying on the ground, the bodies. Which were Clearly, used for the skull fractures was two knives that they found and they found a lot of anti wine bottles that they think we're used to as accelerate for the fire and I'm assuming they had a lot of wine 'cause they're having a party. But the weird thing was that there was absolutely no sign of a break-in no sign of a struggle or like a fight in the house was pretty much. Put together except the jewelry missing it like the rings for the were taken off the finger of the mom and the Dad So it was a little strange a look like navy the person who did s new them because they were like, oh, it looks like the they. came. Right in. So actually the guy who I talked about that came for the Party and call the cops he was he was the first suspect and he was a friend he played in the musician he was in the in the band West Dad Brian and they like called him in thought he was responsible I because like you. You could have just walked in they know you. and. I has also him in the Dad had written a really dark song for the band that they were like using against him like you guys stocks on you clearly have a dark side. Very quickly back gets cleared because I realized they had really nothing to go off there. But still there's no. Sign of entry and? I mean that's kind of wrong place at the wrong time for that guy but obviously. Got cleared quickly. For the party, and he just wanted to go to the party So anyway. So that's that's kind of where like what happens at the Harvey Family House and then a couple of days later the police get a call from a young woman saying that she's really concerned because her friend her friend's name is Ashley Baskerville Twenty one years old. She's like I can't get in touch with her and she's been hanging out with these guys are bad bad news I'm really nervous. Can you go over there and check like wellness check type? So on January six, the officers that they called, go to the home of Ashley. BASKERVILLE and. When they get there, they find Ashley Her mom Mary and her Stepdad per cell Tucker bounded suffocated in the house. So the Stepdad he was found in the living room. The MOM was in the bedroom and Ashley was found her room Once again, stabbed was stabbed five times in the neck. The MOM was stabbed twice. They had duct tape like salt saying wrap around their faces actually had a shopping bag taped around her head in and they happen to live two miles from where the harveys live but. Very, different neighborhoods on even though they were. So close they were in Richmond in the neighborhood that the Baskerville Tucker family were in was supposedly like a lot of high crime and not as well off of an area. So. anyways. So the friend who reported who called and asked for the cops to go check on her front actually tells the cops that I I know who did this like? This has I know this is the guy I was talking about she's been hanging out these bad guys. Her name is Ricky Ricky Gray and Ray Dandridge. Actually had supposedly been dating ricky but I kind of read and heard that like she was fooling around with both of them. Just bad news bears. That's when we kinda like firstly volved. Yeah a little action. Wow. Yeah. So that's kind of when we first meet these two guys who you referenced at the beginning. Joy meet diamond that you like you said, there's so there are seven people right now off to different you know. Crime areas are two different scene of the crimes because there's an both similar style both you know bound beaten and I. Guess you know. These guys really must have been bad news of her friend knew right away that she signs pointed to him. China's one. Another's two guys you know. Their bad, and that's what we talk about who they are so. Ricky Gray, is He's around twenty nine years. Old Time happens he's from Arlington Virginia in growing up he struggled in school he was definitely a troublemaker. But he has sad upbringings the company like severely vice father his stepbrother sexually molested him for years and he spent most of his time with his nephew who has nephews Ray Dandridge the other guy. But they're born the same year they're the same age but it was just an uncle nephew situation and ray also like really troubled in school I think had really really low I q and like was labeled thing special needs and also like socially inept but the two of them, their whole life had really bad history of criminal behavior together in separately Their Annetta prison then. They just prior to this to these events ricky had gotten out of prison and moved up to Pennsylvania. With into a house with a girl, he was dating when Ray has nephew got out he also moved up there. So they right. Before this all happened in Virginia. They were actually living in Pennsylvania and while they're up there, they're living with this girl who ricky ends up marrying and she actually goes missing her body is found under a tree next to a used car ally this November. Oh Five. So a couple of months before harveys. And The so her name is Treva. That's how I. Travel. So that's Ricky's wife was found dead and they just the police say it's an overdose but trump is mother said that at her funeral, she noticed scratch marks on Ricky's arms. In toll the cops about it, and they never did anything about it. They said no like. The autopsy showed she oh deed. But right after that incident. Ricky right got the hell out of Dodge and went back to Virginia. Hence, what we were we with the murders and I don't know how deep we want to go on this one. But like you said, they found evidence towards the end there that the deaf you held him down. Yeah. Held her down. Well, you know she was being killed. So that was the first string of them. Really you know getting involved with murder. You know kind of taking it a step up in their crime spree, and then that's when they go to Richmond and they do these two home invasions and then You know that's that's kind of work owes there's just like kind of like a flash a flashback I guess. Yeah. So we're okay. So now we're back in Virginia. The cops go to the they know about both murders two miles from each other, and then their problem assuming they think they're connected just from the similarities, but just to solidify that they find The gold wedding band that belong to Bryant Harby, which was missing off of his body was on a necklace on Ashley. BASKERVILLE. So. She was obviously like I mentioned she was dating one if not both of them or whatever. And then westbound killed at her home. So now they know if they didn't already, they know it's all connected and that it's connected to these guys. You've got to imagine that was like a monster break because like you said, different areas, different classes and it's you know when you find that there's like holy book these are connected like that had to be a big time. Oh Shit moment right in I don't know. Yeah, I, don't know. I would just think it's seems so easy that this woman just gave the names. In so they might have felt like this is almost too good to be true that we already know like they needed something more. I just feel like we don't talk about so many cases where the cartridges given the names of the murderous gear exactly, and then it never works our there. Something that point. So clearly to another thing. So I, mean you couldn't have gift wrap this easier for the police. Yeah, and then on top of that. Another another older man named. Roy Mason. He also goes to the cops and he tells them a story about how up to days after the Harvey family was murdered. January third. He was at his home in the Richmond area with his wife and he said that these two guys a girl show up they break they forced ourselves in saying that they help with directions. They started like ransacking the place in stealing stuff. But he this guy says, he convinced him not to hurt them because his wife was like really old and. Disabled. So So so bizarre because. They they listened and they just stole stuff laughs but so this guy went until the police in the identified them. So here's another gift to the cops like they. They tried to do this to me but then why the hell did they kill a four year old and nine year old girl but the elderly woman on, it's crazy. It was like the disabled you know. Factor I. Guess, I made them find heart. I don't know. It's. Makes no supper help. It doesn't all your right. Something I read so like because she she I don't know what disability was I don't think she could move without assistance. So they almost like a like it's going to be too much work to move her into like. So we're just GONNA get out of here. Maybe that's the theory. Yeah. So now the cops like we know who did all this shit we find them. So they have that girl who gave them the names, the front of Ashley Call, Dandridge honest cell phone because she she had their numbers and. Honestly some the dumbest criminals same time. They're like talking on the phone they didn't give specifics or invest but they said enough for the Catholic Jesus Christ, and the also could trace the phone because they say they were on their. So they traced the trace, the phone, call a Philly, and they go to Philly. They are looking for Ashley Stepdad's car after they killed them they stole the car. So they find a car right outside of I think one of their dad's houses Ricky's house. Parked outside of a it was raised. The same person. Yeah so they are parked outside of Radian Riches House Dad's house are in Philadelphia, the car was there they literally found they weren't even hiding like they one of Ricky was walking out the back door Roy Ray walked out the back door. They just caught him in the backyard and then they went inside of Ricky was hiding in the basement with a power drill. and. Come. That's power what you're done now. Yeah. Now and you know the thing is that I mean it's just kind of where you wanna go onto the two facts that make this thing wild you know. and. That's what like don't get me wrong. It's it's horrible. I'm not trying to minimize anything because it's it's you know like we said it's it's gruesome as the serving but there's kind of two facts here that really kind of blow this whole thing up and that's one when the Harvey family, the youngest daughter or the the older daughter forget which daughter was. was at a friend's house. And you could tell the story from there, but it's holy Shit. My God. Yeah. This is Ross 'cause they were so close to getting saved. So yesterday when they get arrested okay back Philly, they cost the guys they bring him in they confess like. They kind of just bill. In their confessions they reveal a lot of details and that's where we get this this crazy story So, Stella was of the nine year old girl. She was out. Near Ziv night at a sleep over at a friend's house. So When they first got to Harvey's house of in also say they they say they chose the harveys out just because the door was wide open let it looks like a nice house just go in. So that's why there was no sign of for entry to the front was literally just walked in in like said, get you know get to the basement. So anyway now. Their daughter Selah without the night before she wasn't home. So when they got there, it was the parents of the younger daughter Ruby and they're on the basement in the basement. With Roy and Ricky race are accusing Roy that's manning too many names the story along. They. Hear a knock at the front door. And Catherine, the mom goes up to open the door with one of the guys behind her holding a nice. So they they no one outside could see him. He was hiding behind to her back and she opens the door and Stella the girl just like runs in. which kills me to. Stay out longer I guess the other friend other girl the her friend tried to run in but Katherine stopped her it was like I'm not feeling. Well, we're not feeling what you can't come in right now. and. I I don't know if this is true i. read this somewhere. Catherine supposedly made a gesture to the MOM. Dropping off Selah like this is a gesture I heard. She made you know when people say like he's crazier she's crazy. They do like a circular motion with their finger head supposedly she made the crate that crazy set signal. That would be a situation like maybe I'd mouth like nine one one or something like foam like, yeah. All or something. Yeah. So like a horrible break right there where they're already bound. Bound stairs and like Oh shit here comes younger daughter hurry up don't say shit. I'm GONNA hold a knife. Do you let her come in real fast and you know then you? Could. have been avoided. You know it's just so sad. Yeah. In the mom of the friend of course tortures yourself I'm sure every night about this because she could have helped. But I read an interview. She said that she said Catherine seemed looked pale in seem very off. It's like she knew but didn't didn't do anything she didn't she knew but she didn't know. So they were so close I also just wish like somehow she said, can you take back with you or something? So like both of them didn't die I don't know. That's tough. One that's brutal and that's like such A. Just changes everything in this whole thing i. Unfortunately I. Mean Not Everything but it just makes it all. Even more so unfortunate and sad you know. Yeah. So I, it was one of the like that was the worst one of the worst moments about this. Really. Oh, they were so close to getting. So anyways, yeah they confess to everything they tell every detail they each confess different murders, gary a gray invested to the harvey murders and Defenders Message to the Tucker Baskerville I think But grey also he Ricky Gray. He also confesses to killing his wife who they had. They had she died of odid, and that's where it also comes in like you said that. Dandridge wasn't accomplished in that one as well. On the crazy thing on the second one was. Carter. was in on it. Oh. God. Yeah. So I guess. We should have explained that better if. We talk about how? She was dating them, and then we talk about how she's murdered by them. She was in on all of these like she was the lookout person at Harvey's she proposed having her she also had another. She was another one that a criminal background and was inundated like detention centers in south. But she was like, Hey, here's your next victim. Here are my keys go rob my mom and Stepdad. So she pretended when they broke in like what are you doing which played along with? It had no idea she was going to get killed. And they asked. About that like why did you end up killing her if she was like in on it with you and he said I just got tired of her. Crazy. That's what those two things you know the daughter coming home, and then in the other one, the daughter being in on it and be like to be a decoy. Hit me a little bit and then I'll pretend like I got beat up to and I just came to. I fuck and parents, and then you know you know a bad people are bad people a fucking took her to. So yeah, completely fucked up. Beyond. So in February two, thousand, six, they each get charged. With murder like I said, each of them, kind of got charges geared toward one of the families So we can get into what happens there. So Ricky Gray after confessing everything pleads not guilty in s because his defense going to start to use the strategy where they look for leniency because Oh he was he was physically abused by his dad. He was sexually molested by his stepbrother Bob Oh also, he was on Peter. He's on PC in the crimes which supposedly he had a PCP addiction. But yet to surprise, he was found guilty on all counts he was charged on and he was sentenced to death. He was sentenced to the death penalty because of the murder of the two young girls, and then he was sentenced to life in prison for all of his other charges. So that's the other thing we can talk about that many. We talk about two weeks ago death penalty situations. And it actually happened and twenty soon right? Right. That was the only thing. You don't really see that it actually carry through yet he was executed on. January. Eighteen twenty seventeen. Crazy. And they asked him any final words in he just said Nope. I`Ma. Sorry for what I did know. Horrible Yeah and then Ray Dandridge he initially pleaded not guilty but right before the closing arguments he changed his pleaded guilty because he was part of my agreement to receive a life sentence in prison without parole. So he's actually still he still in prison will be serving life. Term. Yeah. It's bad story man it's Home Invasions are just that's. It's just can happen to anyone just itself fuck consensus. You know just let's take your shit and leave you. Know Yeah. That's the crazy thing about this. At all these they didn't really take. It took a couple of laptops they took A. Tray of cookies from the RV family. Yeah I would like would it be you know what we doing here but Monsters. Monsters they were obviously stop. So that's that's the two thousand, six richmond spree murderers. So if you WANNA go look it up and you know do some more research everything that's out there. Courtney. Thanks. I was good. Listener who recommended I hadn't heard anything about it. Yeah. Someone on twitter recommended that and that's always good. So we're always looking for recommendation. So just DM the dog walk The dog walk twitter, and then we'll check it out from there. We're always happy to check on these cases because you know sometimes it's. Interesting to do these ones that you know listen don't get me wrong. I'm sure this was blowing up in the mid two thousand Virginia sure even nationally but I just. Remember exactly. So first grade then. In eighth grader freshman year but thanks court. Thanks for listening That's it for today for this week, will cut you all on Monday.

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I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

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09:06 min | 5 months ago

I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

"Hello and welcome to the interstate. Five World Series Post Game. Show on Henry Showman. Well gave one of this. Golden Great Series proved once again that in the postseason. Good pitching doesn't always beat good hitting the northern California team jumped on Don Drysdale for five runs in the first inning in route to eleven. Nothing lead after three and eleven six victory. You wouldn't expect score like that in a game hitting Don Drysdale for the southern Californians and Randy Johnson the northern Californians on the mound but Seal Stadium San Francisco played really small the teams combined for seven homers including a pair of shots in the first inning by Barry Bonds and Joe Morgan. The first of two for bonds in the Game Ricky Henderson hit a three run homer as well for northern California while Jackie Robinson Duke Snider and Robin Yount. All went deep for the so cal's in all the nor pounded Drysdale and Garrett Cole for five runs a peach. The big unit was not particularly. Shar allowing five runs in eight innings. But he had a lot of room to play with. Dennis eckersley pitched the ninth to finish that always important game one victory. We now bring in northern California manager. Bruce Jenkins and Bruce this game to use one of your favorite words was Nettie while Henry any time you open with a win. A SEAL stadium. You have to feel like you're having a good day. It was a beautiful day at Seals stadium a lot of nostalgia in the air. I love how worked out when we ride away. Ricki Henderson's on Bass Barry Bonds homers he homers again and then Ricky Ricky homers Morgan homers. It was it was. I hate the word. Surreal because everybody says it in every sentence but it was a little bit strange to West Andres. They'll get lit up like that and Garrett Cole as well so it was just it was so delightful Henry that because they were. We were at seals stadium. And we're thinking back to the past. I was able to get Joe. Cronin Tony Area Harry and left. Do in the game and different. These are all San Francisco legends absolutely. I mean Left he'll duels from Bayview High School. Harry Heilmann sacred. Heart's so is Joe Cronin and Tony. Lozari is Galileo I mean. We're Talking Way San Francisco and you know the pope in the postseason. We know it's it's not like the regular season at all. I nine nineteen sixty. Four Don Drysdale gave up fifteen homers in over three hundred innings and He was just beaten around and You know what happens sometimes when you have a great pitcher who gets a huge lead? They lead up a little bit and that that seems to have happened a little bit with Randy Johnson With an eleven nothing lead yet room to play with and gave up five. And you know a couple of guys who played in in an old ballpark in Brooklyn are took him deep as well but You know I mean the was big enough that Dan. You're really neat. Dennis Eckersley in the ninth inning with that Big Leap. But you went to him anyway. Well I I wanted to make sure I won this game. If somehow this game gets away from me. I've lost the opener at home. It's like what the hell you know. What's this Guy Doing? It's a little bit extreme at everybody that you bring in is is a great pitcher could have been tug McGraw Righetti or one of the starters but I Ran Johnson a lot of rope and let him go with eight because the big lead and then I just close it out with a hammer. Were you just afraid of the glare? You would get if you'd gone out to the mound before the eighth inning to take him out. Yeah I got a lot of glares hitting fifth. He wasn't happy. So celebs a grumpy day at the yard. But it wound up being a lot of fun well game one win is is very important than and of course when you can set a tone with a big first inning like northern Californians. Did you know that that's all important? It takes the pressure off. Any pitcher takes pressure off the defense and The game started right away. Ricky Henderson did what Ricky Anderson does He drew a walk from Drysdale to start the game and then up stepped Berry bonds batting second in the lineup which is not where he's used to batting but he upset Barry Bonds number two and this is what happened with Joe. Let me yeah four. Three two and this is what happened with John. Miller on the call Henderson leads away from Second Drysdale checks now. The pitch bonds swung that is blasted. You can forget about this one. What I shot straight away. Centerfield and over everything maybe headed all the way to the bay bridge and incredible hormone by bonds over the four hundred ten footlocker over the scoreboard out into the parking lot and onto sixteenth street. Heading if not all the way to the Bay Bridge and Northern California had jumped ahead to nothing. Only two batters in the game if that weren't enough Joe Morgan a big home. Run in the first inning. And and you know bruce the even the even the southern California managers when they when they looked at the new lineup for Northern California and saw that saw that outfield A An outfielder Ricky Anderson and Barry Bonds you get D. H. Today and I mean Frank Robinson is going to be trouble for the northern for the southern California team. Yeah Yeah and Joe Dimaggio in center. I don't think I'm going to be messing with that group as the series goes on. It's so beautiful. Those those four at the top is really frightening is what it is. The whole lineup is good. I know they're pretty daunting for southern California but they're going to be seeing a lot of those same guys for sure. Okay so you're not going to be one of those tinkerers so I'm GonNa do some tinkering. I'm intending to get everybody some meaningful play. I feel real good about getting those four old timers system early action left. Doolan Harry Heilmann actually made plays in the outfield late in that game so It's it's a serious goes on. I'm going to give other guys a shot but that that top four. I'm not sure I mess with that Certainly no time soon. Okay and I imagine that you'll be able to With with so many good defensive outfielders out there I imagine. Barry Bonds will probably continue in the designated hitter. All Willie hit two homers today and it was the defensive ratings in a PBA. The Max you can get us. An outfielder is a three and ricky and bonds both Aba three so in terms of the game itself. Having Ricky out there then. That's a big debate. But you know bonds looks comfortable in the D. H. Lada. Hit Two out so why not? Just leave that alone. Okay and you know you you also have two of the biggest Well let's be frank. Terms read ashes in baseball with the big unit on the mound and Jackie Robinson at the play Know Right off the Bat. I mean just to have Jackie Robinson playing in a world series game at Seals Stadium. I imagine that was pretty exciting. Actually both teams in the fans. You know it really was and Jackie homered off Randy Johnson. I'm just thinking. Yeah that's so cool. That's just that's just a great moment and Duke Snider as well as you mentioned that such a great thing. You've got two guys from the Brooklyn Dodgers James Against the big unit. Who's very modern day and I was just waiting for a bird to cross thrust in front of Randy Johnson and throw fastball that since the Burj. The feathered choir. Okay well the northern California team a big advantage up one nothing in a series that shifts to candlestick park tomorrow and you know how candlestick plays although in October. It can be pretty warm and as we've seen balls can fly out there to As well at this time of year and I mean what an advantage to have a one. Nothing lead and Tom seaver on the mound of you must be pretty pretty excited to manage that one. Well no question and especially against Walter Johnson going back to like nineteen thirteen People who saw him Fitch said these the fastest pitcher they ever saw. Even you know even as they came into the modern era he was like a Nolan Ryan. Colfax Kinda Guy So unbelievable matchup. They all are really. But you know Walter Johnson against Against Frank Robinson against Joe Dimaggio. This is what it's all about it. Serious fun well. Game One was a big day for San Carlos. Barry Bonds yet Oakland Ricky Anderson Oakland also. Joe Morgan With see round amok. Now tomorrow it'll be it'll be all about Fresno and I look forward to the game and I wish you well and Game Two becks Henry. We'll talk to them. That your game one. Recap subscribe to the giants splash as plus podcast. So you can listen to all the recaps from golden greats interstate five world series.

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Which Team Do You Trust More, Clippers or Lakers?

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Which Team Do You Trust More, Clippers or Lakers?

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DOT COM APP APP download it today and find your local stations or radio dot com sports originals connect with your favorite teams on the free radio DOT COM APP walk me through the Wire Douro. Why today's episode we're going through the Pacific Division probably one of the more exciting ones we got four five anyways anyways anyways the three Clippers Lakers warriors? Oh Yeah I guess so heavy where you're right. You're right you're right but we got to like these are the real title candidates and then one we know still going to be good but we don't know if they're they're not on that level of other teams that La but but Californians inroads this guy basketball kind of envious of that but we may start should we start off with the Trivia so the first is question comes from Mantis. We ought Derek growth had an iconic fifty point game but why was his career high I before the fifty point game was at thirty nine forty one forty two or forty seven points in a single game forty one forty one for Derek. DOC said they're very confidently Derek. I I like the reviewer they gave him. One against the Lakers forty two for Mike P for it is forty two. You hit that confidence. I liked the cavernous. Is this a little bit of question number two from Cesar cruise which was the last pair of teammates to finish first and second and scorn born was answers and see the crew was Alex English and Kiki Vandeweghe was the MCAS Scottie Pippen what is corrine and clouds wreck slow Osa Russell Westbrook and Kevin going to rant in scorn for single season. Yes one into first and second. What's is an amazing thing. Is Only it only happened once in the current era the sixties and fifties count. I'm sorry I'm sorry anybody that was planning sixties as watching this episode but Westwood Durant Allies Awan Drexler Sular short and pithy Alexander Way. I'M GONNA go with this algorithm. I'm going on the line and cloud. Ok P we were Jordan pimp. Losing you can keep it is Alexander Kiki Vandeweghe and eighty three eighty four or something like that number one and number two. I was looking at season and there's a bunch of names and atop in that. I don't even recognize there was leading the League in scoring so I guess a season the Madison. What's then then lastly of this episode? Allison is cool and Kiki Vandeweghe given people those fans and mess with that Allen Chan which a player has the highest percentage in the history of the league win percentage is calculated by total wins divided by the total number of games played right. Is it AIDS right. Mark Green is a beep Michael. Jordan is as C. Tim Duncan or a D. Choline Linda while while Leonard Conductor Squad Leonard Year has seventy five point thirty seven percent of his gave that crazy said that so many times on the playoffs they'd say K to at least last year they idea and Co winner and the second was Magic Johnson. I didn't even know why Magic Johnson wasn't an option here because he's pretty close seventy three point point nine five percent. Larry was seventy three point five eight and then so pretty close wise guy that and who knows maybe even higher at in this season because the clippers are great so let's talk about the clippers man big offseason for them like one of the most crazy things happen or maybe it was one o'clock in the morning some like that this time when we heard about Kawhi Leonard signing. He's like Oh snap. We finally know at three minutes later after we found out that Paul George is coming with him. I get out of bed winter. My work room recorded a video right there about it because I was in disbelief. That's why the NBA is such a great because something like this that you cannot predict happens asleep when it happened but I woke up like three and I remember looking at it and I was just in Disbelief uh-huh there Paul George was going to because he really just signed his his extension to and I was like wow they're going to be dangerous because they still got most of their core from last year to have all all of Larry. Geller is the only got tomatoes here. She's not there no more but I mean that team was in the playoff hunt for most of the season last year and then it got to the point where the trade deadline. They traded their best player Tobias Harris but they got yes so they fire if you trades arrest player and you get better yeah. I'll say you still pay him. In lieu will definitely Lewis definitely there so they are projected to forty eight games aims which seems a bit low. I think they take it into account. It right management said quals low manager won't be as strict as last year which sisk which is good to hear a clippers game and not see him play exactly we'll be there that he will bob after the first month of the season because he had this shoulder injury but he was just at the core outside of clip from the House of highlights and he was hoping and then he's been in the gym so who knows I'm the speculation about him not being ready for the beginning of the season but regardless even if he miss Su three weeks that team is still good enough to be you know they're looking at what Pat Bay of Landry Shamet then. We have Paul George if he was healthy. Kawai Massara five is crazy the wheel monitor yeah six six or seven man. I liked it. It was exciting. Geologist said we kept looking at the CO Atlanta going to the clippers alone and thinking ain't GonNa how good they can be let alone and Paul George candidate last year and I'm glad you said that how excited and this made basketball because I got this port up in front of me about the NBA pass and the changes ten four stricter measures to free agency tampering rules Yup. We're now the penalty is going up from six million ten million. They'll do random audits where they can take a player's agents and some front office guys phones. They mentioned doing things about guys contact. Another guy traded like the coli they basically because of the alright so because he's new rules being applied we that may have been our last big bang exactly yeah because is at midnight realistically. There's no way players had already had contract signed because that means they were talking before the beginning of the free agency period so we won't get like how some people stay up all night to livestream. The Free Agency period is not gonNA happen that way anymore. We see Timofey Mas signed a one or six so now did they changed the time that people can also propose a banner players communicate with one another to progressive trae from current team seen reaction to win coalisland and approach coach Paul George July to get him on just and fair interesting then Adam Silver said I think it's pointless at the end of the day to have rules that we can't enforce it hurts. The perception of integrity around on a League people say well you have that rule in is that teams aren't fully complying. So why do you even have it. I think the sense in the room was we revisit. Those rules tampering reached a fever pitch during the two thousand nine hundred eighty two c period with nearly every major deal seemingly agreed upon before quickly after the Celtics tampering period began June thirtieth some feels like Kimmel walkers packed with the Boston Celtics and Kyrie Irvings with the Brooklyn Nets report it will before teams. Were even supposed to be able to contact players. There's a big difference between we have conversations about. How team wants to Rosser would've prioritize the free agency and whether they have interesting your player or having a deal on June twenty eight until a watch both sides are an information gathering business. That's the nature of the job and apparently wochit some agent or a the Front Office Yeah Front Office Guy told him that he'll he'll he'll play by the rules until he finds that other people on then go back to none which is what he did with the NBA draft right. We use like they're thinking about drafting this guy. It was something like that but that's very interesting to this. After this off season so like seems like the clippers or people to hit big if fritzy they'd lucked out because next as a class kind of trash so they'd lucked out that this rule was it for this year because who knows how Brooklyn would look if they couldn't talk to carry Irvine before you you know that this thing started so definitely definitely lucked out there but this clippers same super super excited and they're going to be a defensive greedy team PAB AF Santo Santos Gerbil on him one of the best shooters in the league last year his rookie year mattress hair was a dog off the bench that we know alluvial can do too so I'm super excited for this team but we gotta look at positives and negatives. One of the big negatives for them is that they trade a pretty much the entire future for a two years of Paul George winner so if they strike out in those two years for us championship goes both of those players can walk and go try to pursue a somewhere else but I think it's a worthy thing that's right because you have been one of those seams over the laughing stock of the League. When I came amen then you have the whole sterling thing that happened that made it even even worse and they were always. LA's little brother in my still always be Lakers town. Yes it will probably always do you. Lakers town but the clippers can now fight at potentially when it's Yes doc rivers had like a little interview we're talking about the process and he was talking about. I had told them the team wasn't good enough and they needed to get Paul George and do this and that and it's a quote right here they said the Stephen Bomber because apparently kept saying six pigs for Paul. George is a lot and Dogra Rousson keeps and six pitch for Paul. George is insane but a six pigs for Paul Ankle exactly because he wasn't coming without another is is. He looks at it as three for each young anybody who do that so I I think. I think that it's a good risk because I think even if they don't get the temperatures in the new takes two years. I think they'll be awfully close or something happened. I'm I'm sure collide would stay just because it's that. La Town George I don't I don't know L. A. Natives. I think they wanted to stay in in. La and who yeah I think thinking of way they both of them. Leave is like something harassing. You should the bid or somebody even making conference finals dig into it yeah but ah but it seems like both of those guys will be at a jail. Neither wanted a personalities that I too strong and I think it was pretty laid back and quiet. I don't think Oh yeah I don't think anything's really popoff popoff would them to write and then I mean when you look at contract wise I mean they're the top two obviously but then after that I mean you got a little wheels prior to third as a player on teen gene. He's the fifth highest play mom. Mohawk is the one making eleven Patrick Bev making twelve. He's got his money. ZUBEC- is making six. He'll probably be due for a was it already do. ZUBEC- wasn't they. Restrict okay near Montreal. Herald probably get paid but other than that I mean they. They got they got something. Nice outlander champagne sale and his rookie deal. I liked the rookies that they brought in. They didn't bring in anybody. That's going to win rookie of the year obviously but when you look at parents man and you look at Kevin Jelly from Florida state dough to defensive guys as well you got a defensive guy on a wing and Tasmanian Captain Jelly is a big man who can shoot threes and protect the rim. This is the first time I've heard his name pronounced Coca Peja Jellyfish but I liked it hasn't done anything with Landry. Shamet Landry. Shamet wasn't a rookie of the year oh my gosh but he fit what they were trying to do any minute well with their best players and I think these are the same type of guys that have come in and like I say may not have these crazy rookie numbers offers but for their team they'll be guys they can come in and measure will set up to the clippers out to the seventy sixers for making this possible for the clippers with the larger sandwich right. Ah they got the pigs when they censor by his hair is in those pigs turned into Paul George Carlin L. Landry. Shamet who shot let me see what it's three or four percent almost forty two percent from three in the regular season. Jerry West get it done. I'm yeah he does. I'm excited for Landry. Shamet because we get to see him on even bigger stage and I think as long as you continue to sir put up the numbers like that when his contract is up he's on his mind seems he's. GonNa go elsewhere and I think we'll see we'll see something. We'll see something to go for him because I don't think we're going to see his full capabilities yet if we do then this thing will be more dangerous but I just from what I know once once seen of him in college with how shot the ball in the NBA he could you know if he gets the opportunity he can. He can take to another level. I always get pretty jealous us about stuff like this like he was drafted twenty six overall and he looks he has potential to be very very good at least always a valuable player because of his shooting ability the balls like like as a fan we often have to double pigs right like last year we had double picks and we drafted Goddamn Hutchison but then you but Hutcherson may they have been a good player he might be team is a different thing when you plan on Benson Joel and be like sham was at the early part of his career is easy to come in to knock down shots and you learn from from Jj redick anywhere though I don't know come off screens a hit threes cause more than coming off screens. We haven't been since creating for you making defense collapse Joylin beating paint WHO's getting double teamed different so much focuses on them it just makes you it makes it easier for you and he's back in a similar situation where he got two superstars right next to him to take a lot of time that you by the time he did that with the Sixers d has the most important part of NBA players career. which is the confidence traffic part? Once you get the confidence that I can do this shit. I can score. I plant level when I'm doing good once you get that as game over now. Landry shamet could probably go tabu than do it now but fresh out of college right they want an NBA with the Bulls. I don't I don't know if he would have that same type of level of play just because it's hard to get that confidence confidence take a player's career from here to here this Steph Curry Steph curry could always use the shooting the ball lights at a Davidson but when he got that confidence often it's an NBA started shooting from forty five feet so shoot from half court. He wasn't doing shit like that. Davidson orders first couple years but once he got that confidence game over same thing harder and harder always who the third overall pick is the dog six-man year but now he's a step back in euro in one footed it is like confidence is a dangerous thing. Have you know anything but let alone basketball player that confidence and you don't give a damn and you out there who can freely is. This is dangerous but yeah. I like the same. The outer small lineup is going to be killing mantras that five and you can have Paul George. It's acquired at the forest. You can pick your poison who you want to put out by a sham and will you can put Patrick Beverley. You kinda mix it up last last night. I mean I wish playoffs and you've got the coach. Doc Rivers having whatever you WANNA call it this big to but he he's had experienced coaching. I'm very curious how they close out games yeah because they have so many options and you won't do wheel out. There obviously absolutely Eliza kind of ISO heavy. Give me the ball. I'm GonNA get your bug. It's guide you want that alongside and Paul George you making Lou will become a spot of shooter. You're like this is odd. They have like three legitimate guys that used to close with their team exactly exactly and we're GONNA have to see how balanced as there's this policy for. Just don't the hot hand type in my dame. Cj Do whoever called delay. Let me get the ball. That's kind of funny. I think some people are the type to be like. They always giving the ball but you've got to trust the team. You know I it's it's so I've got a question but we'll save that for after we talk about the Lakers just because it's between those two teams less high the Lakers for later in the show though so we can get people to keep talking about the suns okay. Let's go to the one thousand nine games last season this year. They are projected to jump up to thirty six. Is that's the amazing they want. How many I'm Ashley Nineteen thirty six so when you look at this seat on paper do I see thirty six wins. No okay well I do. I do jump yeah. I do see improvement young trump but from nineteen thirty yes a big jump for seventeen seventeen. Singapore big Joe. I can see a ten game because I was asking because everybody always saying you don't see different from what we add it to what they add is. I think they added players that they need it. You're like Sarge they add. They needed a stretch that could shoot the ball charts. They needed a point guard that can distribute the body. Ricky Ricky Rubio now the best at those things no but Ricky Rubio has been a very good quality plan is Mba for for multiple years and SARS has been to Alpha reason with the reasons that he's just not it to win it all like for the Utah Jazz. They WANNA go all Rubio not starting point guard. If you want to win a championship team like the Sun's trying to go step by step. I think Ricky Rubio. He helps them be competitive. I think this is a quality star in line. We didn't matter because if we have anything how shots were you want but if he's not that he just there especially when you have guys like Devon Booker Donovan Mitchell who answers counterparts that's why they would only want to Minnesota well well. We know what he can do. His role for the most part is distributing the ball that team has wetzel fence right there can put the ball on the him with the Andre in pick and roll could be something four playmate stressed the floor with a Maceio bridges as long and athletic and he defends like the point. We're getting getting end Lee. Is that those guys that you're talking about. Campaign McCain scores so you don't have to bring in Rubio if he's not going to help the offense of flora help that player light like that's the thought is that coming to help that playmaker role was always put on Devon Booker though right right so it doesn't have to be at this point during the book is a good playmaker playmaker but he's not a great playmaker. Play Rubio is a great playmaker so I think they're just divvy up the playmaking aspects of basketball honesty and I but what I'm saying in his if he why take that away if he's hurting him in office away because his shooting ability right his best year was a year before might not last year but the year before he came with the tattoos and the man thirty five percents on damn near name what did he should last year at least thirty one but it is here the ten hours out by this a little bit damned in the same but what I'm saying if broker yeah. He's not just crazy playmaker the last year that wasn't as good as I think. It's going to be this year but I think part of that has to do with his his right to you know what I'm saying because has he has the ball so much. You're going to have to play like you say he's bring. He's bringing drawn a double team so he's GonNa have to pass that ball and that's what I'm saying. That's what the game is going. You look at guys like Hound. How guys like harder David gave the opportunity when Zach Levine was doing right if you if that's the way that the game is going there's no more tradition. There's not a lot not just like you go right there. You're right. There's still haven't been on there still veteran but I'm saying I mean this stuff. He can do on the court that that doesn't show up player. I think he's he's still a veteran guard in his league in for youthful team like that. Phoenix is the time where you can put the ball in his hands and just let that team slow down and gather so back ricky how I don't think he's going to hurt the team but I'm saying if your team like this is a winning the championship were or they WanNa. They WanNa make the playoffs. I doubt they gave him what sixteen million for three years I hope I thought they did a good start this. I I have no. I don't think they make the playoffs at all. They can start off good and they contract did he. Just got it back to a pig for pigs. Isn't it the last year yes. That's what I'm saying. You're you're just you're rebuilding. You're going in a certain direction direction. Endeavouring broken just show that he can give you that he can give you but there are other put another complimentary player next to him on that parameter dashes me for example like who Oar. What do you think is like the price say four. He was the best sleep what they tried to get the Ngelo Russell. That would have been prime SORTA have with him. That's perfect. That's part but you can't always you. Can't you gotta go get ran out with Iran. Ah I'll take this roster without Rubio and then I would run a Devon Booker Maceio Bridges Kelly oubre sorry in aid running like that and if that shouldn't phase going to let tied Jerome. It's a minute we're. We don't let your car to get some minutes L. Ioka Oklahoma. We drafted first pick second round last getting tick. That's what we doing a set of paying sixteen sixteen million dollars. You'll be able to be what to taper off him. I think they just make a little bit more competitive with Ricky Rubio Ricky Rubio just because because he he is a little bit of competitive. This is what I mean what is Ed. What if it does create a five ten win jumping that you do see more progress in their team I mean I think it'd be worth it winning a championship? There's value in getting better especially with a guy like Devon Booker. Who's never been over twenty five win. I think they will get better regardless. I don't think Rick I don't think we look at this and say all shit because avenue in the second year in the Andrea aiden you'd think about how to get the Saric you think about how they added a guy like Frank Kaminsky another big can shoot and you think about even even though you know they didn't undo the right way to be a draft some guys cameras installed and you just shouldn't win brought home could potentially have some going to lean on we know and he can do defense offense defensive. Hair Bay they brought in solid they kept on Kelly oubre who I'm like Alonso it. They're eight and had a good rookie season and that's without anybody. Get him the ball like at all the rookies that we're talking about having good seasons. He had like the least amount of touches he didn't have a player that can get him the ball when he needed it to get to. Devon Booker is a good playmaker. He's not a great playmaker. He missed on a lot of pick and roll. There's an entire video by thinking basketball because there's a narrative about Devon Booker that he's a good stats bad team guy and this guy broke it down to like hey that's not true but one thing that ever booker does missile is the pick and roll with the Andrew Ada a guy that excels at pick and roll with his big man is Ricky Rubio so Andrea Ain't put up like fourteen nine and ten or something like that would not have an point guard even the ball when he's rolling and what did he do great college. He wrote to the basket so now he has a point guard that excels at thank you can expect Deandra agents who get a lot better. You can expect to have a book or to be better because he doesn't matter but now what do we do in a few years but Ricky Rubio is not on his team anymore. I mean at that point. He hoped that under aid is more of a independent place their first year together. I don't expect them to have everything down packing a first year together now with the first gear with Devon Booker with nine Mary playmaker right really so in the second year. That's what we're trying to see them. Get together. I'm not I'm not paying sixty Siemian Dallas a year for me to bring Ricky Rubio helping from which don't even know what the contract matters because they're not saying. That's going to spend that money on a very employer. I'm always for having money because then you can eat up a tyler John. When you have that money available you can eat at the time of the contract for first round but she was just said that that was bad like three minutes? NS AGO now. I'm just saying paying him nine hundred dollars. That's on the fourth floor pick but still the thing is Stan and is for paper. We all noted for when when you get a kickback that's good but I'm just saying still when you look at the salaries then top for the top three players who Devon Devon Buckets Johnson and Ricky Rubio I don't I I don't look at that and be like that's crazy to me. I don't think that's Topley players being paid to be Devon Booker Tyler ties in radio but good point have no they. You don't have many options so why not keep the money to go get picks. I think I'm going to their salary but I think the rest of them in contracts they don't really have much on the books they recite. Kelly oubre but then I think is probably still take it back. I needed to get paid in a couple of years right and then yeah that's probably asses off the book by that time and then review and you go bro ship him. An airplane's is is a free agent season two and I think Frank Kaminsky sign for one plus one so they left their absence open they wanna to contract and then Wade draft Cameron Johnson. They'RE GONNA have to pay him. It was crazy thank Dario. I also got to get paid to rotate that they have this year could definitely just show a lot of progression even without Ricky Rubio Progression. We're we're having a number one overall pick like the Andrew Aiden who had a solid rookie year in his first year. You gotta give him another. He's going to be better. He's going to be better. He's just going wants to be better. I look at it we are that's not always the way it goes but we all know he's active duty bad one hundred percent yeah but why not get a player that help him. That's better means means when they can better league is going. Thank God was like Kobe. White drafted a garden. You've got him. That's going to be there Ricky Rubio. Whatever Berg is a game about chances I mean Louisiana Dude is known for just making his players better around what is passing ability and we have the veteran and they're like and what they're you full move veteran wing windows. It's still going to have a veteran point earlier. How Mike Otto Porter. He's like twenty six but he's not the kings have Harrison Barnes. He comes any places row right but he's they have the veteran. The wings have been in the League for a minute. They might not fit their time but there are quality players that fit their team and Rubio is a quality player. Don't fit the Devon Booker denies under eight hundred line but he's good now to help them progress as price. Give you gotTa pay you. GotTa pay to get those places are so versatile you can put hairs at three or four the guard position is so loaded in the NBA right now. It's like everybody's really. It's only a couple of teams. That doesn't have any legal. Ingo Steph Curry. Sorry Damian Lillard Carry Irvine I go on. That's probably one of the most when we did that that point guard this that was one of the hardest wanted to do and probably what so at this wasn't that hard hard whose goal was one two and three but that was a long list of Kim. I didn't even name Ben Simmons Kemba Walker like that. That's just the it is but I guess I'm fine. I'm fine with it but I just hope it works. I just needed to see what have been better regardless. I don't I don't because you were talking about just having a really a point guard when you say you have Devon Booker and you have a whole bunch of wings that can just initiate the offense to start off with but I think just ricky Rubio Ricky Rubio makes everybody better and I could just take that as a coach team for the young player and if anything he helps us teach them and the big question sounds last year was the point guard position and as they went on upgraded it because last year they have on donate meeting. Devon book is low management is written that he was taking because he didn't have a point guard and as you know but nobody i. I had no problem with what he was thinking. Nobody I've never seen anybody say. Devon Booker was doing too much or they would drive him into the ground. I just think that the talent level on the team wasn't there and I don't think Ricky Rubio answered that question to me personally if we're team and we're going into a rebuild or not even real because they have a solid foundation. Let's keep going and edit with guys that are going to be around here. That's why I liked when he went out and kept what is key forget. Kelly oubre and I like that they brought in Dario Saric. These guys aren't Brookies but they're young enough to just come in and fit with them and be a part of the long long term goal because that's the whole point. You've sucked this long for so long. Go Go China. Go get it. They try to set set on what they got because they had to do a science rate with Brooklyn and they just didn't have anything a trade away. That would have been perfect those guys whereas like we I don't I know now Dan Will Ricky Rubio about the partnership for a long time but hopefully it works out for now we could somehow in the future could workout you. If you look at in the same way they realize Rubio with edge way better here and they will be the year but he did. I mean Donovan Mitchell. I feel like they were decent. Beck where Mason are going to be my Connie Mitchell but I think Ricky Rubio did help him out a little bit. We gotta take our first break. The case says we gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. 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Don't Oh yeah I don't think so either when you look at the Phoenix and they just put them thirty seven wins they got the kings fallen by thirty three and I was just hardly see my kings were almost Khalil so as Ricky Rubio then Peck Dario. Maybe that impactful right yeah hopefully Dario. I I like just seem a lot. They kept the same team that we've seen leisure. They gave us day great season surprising and then they came across some guys that I I think can contributing the deadman's definitely going to help and it's going to stretch for Marvin Bagley and the rest of the team Trevor Rees. It is an experienced wing guy data typo decor that they like crazy backup. I think he's making like thirteen years of BECCA ACA in that is crazy. I mean he's a very he's a good backup though but now he's worth their team. Let them get a one year. Is it we need to. I think the bills off what they did last year for the most part they put it together last season. I think it just kind of fell apart after after the all star break and they're like they just ran out of gas. That's exactly what happened. Yeah I think what did they finish like ninth. Yeah they were close. They were they they finished ninth. They weren't after the break was way under five hundred but yeah they did. They definitely seem like they ran out of steam. They made the TRAE. Harrison Sabar is to go in and then the second half of the season after that they kind they struggle. They ended the season with three straight losses. They loss normal. Japanese detained young teams. They're gonNA droughts. What ages lose games where they go get it happens all the time and they they went on a couple of very nice win streaks? They were beating good teams teams. You like Oh man. They were always one of the more exciting teams last year no matter what you knew that the Air Fox is going to be fine with amazing speed but heald's elite three point shooting Bogdonovich has hit a game went on us last year he showed you so desire and then by Donald is being just like Jesus so who knows he may come back and just be they're starting small. Four ends is killed stuff so I've really liked this team. I really like this team. I don't know if they're making a playoff because of how competitive the West is no. They're going to be fun. There's still super young deer. Fox is going into your number three or number two when a year that he can finally start at least I pray that they finally get started minutes and then buddy. He'll maybe thirty years old. That's my that's my biggest question mark with same as how they're. GonNa use him. I think that's because he he he has the frame runs center. He likes working inside. That's why I think having to Wayne deadman. He could be kind of a mix because he could play inside but he doesn't always have to be technically the fact so I got at these advance stats and advanced people but it's cool to look at you. GotTa take that with the says right. He played a total of ten percent of his minutes. At Center in the team. Got Blown out by twelve points. Wait that was the point. Differential was running center. They could not score the ball in defensively. They couldn't stay in front of anybody the bottom five percent in the league when he was a senator. I mean as NBA BA player too I hope he just kinda grows more. NBA type body especially as a big just his frame should begin bigger. You should be getting a little bit more dislike no one position where to be would the soup positions in the NBA where like when you come in you're going to struggle as the point guard position and then the center position and then that's what you know you got somebody special that comes in as a point guard trae young came in at the point guard and play great or eight and came in as a center play great. Those are the two hardest positions to transition so a guy that normally pay POW Fort Collins. It's coming in and fighting with the biggest of the big. Boys is going to be a struggle but hopefully you expect him to put on more muscle to be more ready to fight those big guys. I hope they can read a mess center because I think his career projects is like a stretch center and it just works when they got Luke Walton as coach now need more development developmental coat so if that can work in their favor I I mean that's one for them. I forgot about the coach and saints. Get Marvin Bagley and I see Chris Bosh so I would like to be that center that meet their transition transition from wind. Chris Bosh went from powerful with the Raptors the Senate with the heat if he can be like that I think this thing can be Roy dangerous especially when the NBA going. Nobody is really playing a six eleven four right molasses Ryan Anderson Super Versatile who do yeah I mean the the duo between him in Fox and have buddy healed a wing I like Harrison Barnes Harry Giles. I want to see some things from house. They have a logjam of bigs. Now they signed. They signed them today. Saying that's a big man on Sean in homes. They have a log jam a big man. You have to figure that out because they do believe a Harry Giles who plays for the Gay Caleb Swan again from Portland so so yeah he's on the roster about any you who's going to be the fastest team as far as there's going to be a team up top with the Interfax Interfax. PG spot is going to be the Pelicans near. I think it's because they sue years ago without Lonzo without you. Know Zaire run in the break. That's what would what's your holiday on them. He's not really that fast of a player but not fast players but the kings will definitely be up there too buddy buddy healed surprise me Lebron's. I'm so happy that he figured things out because it wasn't really working out his rookie season off and then he was a part of the trae right. He's a part of the book. It's right you get some brand new start his first first year. Kita shoot the ball. ooh. No I take that back shit his first year Sacramento he saw forty eight percent from review but last year he's one of the best reports shooters in the league and it seemed like he likes corn was we always knew he could score the ball but he put it in at this like. NBA level like we knew oh he was a threat. Yemen's twenty started every game we play He. He's been ironman force career. Great Play Eighty two eight hundred eighty two games which is which is just amazing. It seems to bar crazy team that he fits. You got down five always going downhill. Now you have Bagley you have other the shooter's around like Bandana so long as they continue to play their brand base but I think they have a good mix. They have attacking guys guys that are gonNA play inside. They got guys. They play out. I think that's just a good recipe to have and you can mix it up. They got some size some length. The bigger point guard their pace is going to be good look wall and being their issues about developing these guys keeping up momentum to their last year. I think that's going to be seeing because you don't want to see a team. Take a step back after he had such a surprise because that can be a locker room flavor which is scary thing. I try to bring out the positive and negative. That's one thing that scares me. What if that was this a one year fluke. It's a possibility right that we looked. There was someone so much potentially will probably start some way. Unfortunately that's usually what happens. Guys come in any high horse. There's so much potential. Everybody's ready to play Lithuanian last year then they take back now. The Front Office is unsure guys and have that same gear. Do we know buddy healed is really one of those. Guys is the facts but he's got to get paid this season right. He's he's making four point eight million dollars and I think I think some last year deal yeah yeah they love to yeah the Kings fans deserve it man they deserve something has been a minute since they've been good and they wanna play birth and I respect that kings twitter it might not it might not come issue. Is this so much going on. It seems like this these younger teams that are close may not get there kind of Sappho. GotTa be close though or at least maybe even make you know about this. Okay around the Golden State Warriors. They're one of the most polarizing polarizing teams because some people don't have them in the playoffs and the some people like hey man of course this is crazy. I know but you gotta think of how many teams there's like. Eleven the teams competed for their playoff spot. Somebody's probably dropping out because the Lakers are coming in so people are thinking oh there's no Katie. There's no Klay Thompson for half a season so the warriors at a team Gas Gas Stephanie arrested three all stars on era so why would you why would they be the team to fall completely baser and now I feel like there is going to make it work in the mental screens. Cut You move like you pass like is not. I implement Kevin Durant that system sucks. I love the ball dominant. Not even hello can play play without. He played well. He could play anywhere. I don't think he worried about this especially Chicago cavalry but I like Willie colleague Stan I always ate. I can just picture him in mind. Doing Lives Still Got Kevon Looney Alec burks but I think just the core basis of Stefan Draymond and the end of the Russell and I think the fact that you don't have Kevin Durant near anymore. It's not you know. He doesn't take all so you have more on their on their ball. Muna what they what they did have they founded Harrison Barnes. Yeah they got there. He'd be there whereas they got eight south three guys in I mean after the kind of role player but and that warriors system already warped role players turned out somewhat solid just because all you gotta do is knock down your shot thousand mckinney much to me but on the warriors right when you add I remember I remember saying you honestly recco winter. Whereas I was like damn he could shoot the ball and it's just like when they're already so dangerous shooting you add more shooting as it scared so the Angelo Rossi thirteen percent has minnesota shooting guard last season and numbers were ridiculous now his numbers but like the team numbers when he was a long side so dan what he spent the day with Premier ballhandling. I do like the Russel's to his playmates crazy steal but I do like him as a tiny one but you know what Steph curry if they're not after moves without the ball he's the best one in the world to do so and when you got the initiate and also I think he is one of the best who's number two. He said he thinks he is one of the one of the best not because he's one of the best yeah. I wouldn't want to guard him on the moon without they'd say radical say red coming out. I was thinking like the reality is when you have somebody at versatile light staff who have the ball shoot from forty feet out and also you got to watch them off. The ball yet to Russell can have a lot of stop to work with. I remember seeing a stat awhile to go home and see if I can pull it up of like miles traveled with your running my top five think. Jj radicals was Jeeves have would've Zach Levine was four J. plenty of minutes this year interesting but JJ is one of those guys you know he's boom boom boom boom boom like people always say who's the worst player Gar. Jj's one of those guys so boom boom Abobo bought now but whatever playoffs there they come up to be immediate threat especially with Klay Thompson. He's GonNa come back better somehow. That's what he said he coming back. Yes you like the communists come back so much focus on their body. Jebara pardon me back but after the first one he got more way. I don't know how you got way more. I think it was to Clayton barely missed any. Are you say his is better because durant left. No I was thinking that Russell Westbrook's better because he guests smarter with the way he felt like came down the wetter no not that I get found his balance. He is a whole down he was talking about like the way came back down like when he ran not saying how he did that was Russell Westbrook. I'd say chain radio. He's athleticism thing on their roads. After the very first one the only thing about their role is that it happens somebody running thesis paper about this right now like video docu series him and it was him showing him training he was saying he had no balance like the injury that he was talking about the blessing the good about the injury. That's that everything so negative is that he's able to find balance on. His core is lower have even more more stronger was different things he didn't work on it was just natural but now that he's honing rose how he played before. I say he had no balance that does sound crazy that sounds absurd now thinking about anything because he was kind of like driving through the hall wild and everything he's just coming at you right right because I think about how Klay Thompson came down. I don't think he always lands like not. It was hard contact with Danny Green and he came down and his leg wrong. My requ okay so the thing that grows to do. I guess he's still does it where he rearranged. The Sassou does get blocked. If that was a bad to K- wise what would that be accurate. You Bet okay so by Acrobat. No Okay Z. Glen Robinson Third Ain't seen him in a minute interested to see how that is and I don't mean like he hasn't play. I literally just don't remember I just think Amari still go put together together with this thing. I literally think he'd be based on two point. Oh Jordan pool the rookie out of Michigan. He has a nice on the air inside recited shot as you sat aside as what did you say so klay. Thompson is dating some model was India is India competent under Klay Thompson Picture. It's like oh sweet or something like that and during a double date is something like this. I decided she didn't respond. Maybe em you never really know he. I keep days private. South sounds of Jordan Pool. Devin marble was part of a nice draft class with the magic when they brought in their all time score at I come on man. He beat his dad's record to see. I remember just a super stuff. That don't know that'd be a proud. They also say anti will be big on demand is the demand is okay. Would you do that too often. Mike was watching the football game or something then eight three players on the Texas. Ah Mike always talking about that'd be like Mike My name. I remember Robert My name him Oda. You remember his name That's how I knew Marcia because my my dad is. We'd be in a car driving somewhere. It'd be a that's how we got. The classic classic moment was the classic Maccabee so so Pierre has brother sat out to junior and we we we just talk about basketball and he says somebody's. Aj rented does red and black or white black. The people know what my guess what he knows as he knew and we all all our reaction was that name to black magic from that moment he knew Jj. WHOA now forget it forget. How are we to last seen anything else to say about the words how good it could be. They whimpered projection. Oh I didn't even tell their win. Projection is fifty one game so they're still they got them. Highest drop dropped from six seven which is mixed sense. Steph car steph curry. Come out and just say I think onto added onto this free agency that we had we ne- shit like that. We need like a revenge from him. We need the Brian and come back. It'd be his ship. We need drain on having a chip on his shoulder about AH disrespect disrespect he and the warriors have been you know he's reading approved. Worry they can win without Kevin. Durant Kyrie Irving had their bounceback season. Kim Walker needs to show that he's elite level carry dame the now China Bounceback Russell Westbrook a year Russell Westbrook so we have we have the story lines of all these guys moving seven and we got the rookies and Zanjan and then now we can also add a dynamic players coming back and show on smash it before before we get to the very last time the Lakers. That's just not change. Their hair. Color little noticed that right now. What do you call it. Don't say here's he said like the Jason in the honey bun honey I didn't they know honey. What did you say cinema line honey. Blah the color like it was some weird color but I was like okay description yeah we could put that okay like. Did you say you said that you know I said if they would've signed with a dyed my hair here perfectly or visit. I hit that one you think I'm sources prism awesome sonic multiple sources with this kind of skeletons in the closet with all the stuff that they've been through somebody co two Seattle was calling on black folk. I listen to the whole documentary thirty thirty Ramona Shelburne. It's a podcast. It talks about the whole sterling side what we're it because I never knew the details of it. I just knew that he was a racist ass. Just got that recording the voice it gets Kinda insane stuff that you see not like people just living. which is it changing because? I'm going to say right now is because his mistress mistress to a picture of Magic Johnson that he wanted to race Atari Magic saucy like he'd he would say he didn't even say the word hey did say minorities and can't be taking just crazy now. I had to Google. Let's see the damn minority to its anyway. We're GONNA take a break before we get a Lakers talk and lasts. It's certainly not least we got the Lakers man big off season for them. Big Off straight at their your current and their future for now right the current because no now in a little bit of future. What's that loop eighty twenty six so yeah that his some future but he's done players to play around right field leave he. I the only one that's the biggest. He said he returned home is not out the window. It's after Brenda coming to Sakata. He more focused on this year I before he think about anything of what if we did a sign it's rate with him coming to Chicago. Blitz got a hail which we sat Iran's Cristiano Felicio. You accept that and just call it a day infinite. They're projecting is forty. Seven forty seven million giving them fifty three wins yeah. That's definitely over fifty wins. You said you think definitely Lebron fifty one. I you hope so but did not very deep team up. There is just so heavy they can get them through. Wins scares me. That was the start line of Y'all is because I've I've heard different versions of the star Latin. I'm cope with resign Ron. Don't K- daily Green Yep the Bron Jane Carr Kuma and see the thing but he don't want to start so I don't. I don't know if I like MHM yeah. That's I would rather have Cuenca. I think so I think now but we do right right. Thanks so I think I would take him picking Rhonda. Welcome infringement but we think I would do. I put like beverly and Beverly Beverly Beverly Brad Behan every every breath near do that yeah you could have put like everybody. Danny Green Lebron cool with Brian James Anti David Star. I'm on the fan side of having Cochran off the bench me to think that having a ham as a spark off the bench and you can put them in different positions kind of mission mobile who is out there on the floor yeah because we put him in the starting lineup. Dinner Bench doesn't really have much scorn right but you know they do you take Lebron idea. He now has control the second unit putting Evac in detail because is there is not really a lot of people that give you that. Punching Bench Really Louisville and he can be next. You know you can be the skill to do what scares me most about them. If they star Calculus is that he's GonNa take the small defending position because Lebron is not going to be not only other guys best player in. I don't trust defensively your Lebron that four positions going to be weak defensively and yeah so that's what I would have him. Come off the bench Tobias Harris he just like it might therefore he can't play three but you perform any lasted. I played them at five begin to see I would go with with deftly Quinn Cook. Danny Green Lebron. Ad Jovial and you say Quick Cook for the Shooting Year Lebron James. I don't think he really need to have like ball handling responsibilities. What I do like is that they actually had a formula going into this off. The last year there was just signing. We addressed a lot of the things that went wrong last season. I mean yeah well. Magic Johnson leisures that they were making a defensive team right. I ended up being one of the worst defense top bottom. They have shit they. Have you know Jared Dudley. They don't have the face but they work. Wait on coups. Ma I mean the Brown Trey Dame's trinity shoot the hell out of the ball. that's the type of signs. They should've got last year look at his numbers. I'm glad you mentioned that if we if I had a list of what I think wrong with definitely we showed the shoot the ball we shall we were twenty nine to three point shooting free free throw. We were almost deadlines on that show for Lebron Lebron to the worst frequent as as a guard. Lonzo cannot be shoot nowhere near where he shot. I'm not even GonNa say what he shot. I mean we can ball was forty seven percent or something. I don't know okay. I look at the roster again. We still struggle this year with our free. Thurbers free throw shooter yeah. It probably won't be as bad but I don't. Who Do you trust second us to go to the free. Throw Line to put the game away. You WanNa put the Lebron Casey leading to shoot the ball. The free throw line very going through. They was also Quick Update Lakers received at one point one point seven me like disabled player exception for bogeys season and we heard that me and Mike set the same name harassment Komo supper jails because we we have an idea that s reunion another moment turned down yeah. We don't need another game. One moment from jail defined. I wouldn't mind it anyway regardless obviously that the reporter asked Jr slap do things sometimes they definitely could have messed. Would've they would've won but we wanted to best. NBA means ever when Lebron was they're always go down to the classic auto right after that we use on his whole energy is going on the energy would onto yeah thanks. I just dropped fifty chuck. The ball and you didn't even use you didn't do anything. They went ahead because they're probably in say. What is it okay. I won't challenge Koby. Those brothers Alfred Dot Com. I can't think of the word was ever the the ball so you mentioned earlier episode that I had a question between the legs which twenty across more to win the West to win the West Los Angeles Lakers man. I'll go with the clippers just because they're a deeper team clip and defensively when defensely the clippers got to answer. That's that's why I say. One of them goes down to have holes that they can make affiliate. You Stigma Lakers. Though is that Phantom or I think so oh for the clippers the Lakers are look. I think that the same thing just bear with me. I'm listening. I'm more interested. Teams have all the tools to be championship and turns the stars the role of the coach and everything into coaching. Hey Ain't low frank to good player runs doc rivers. They're both teams have with great ones. A Hall of Famer to have one has a very good coach alright coats but I look at the late I just look and say they all have the ingredients issues kind of they just do them in there. The clippers are more. They're just more put together and I think they've already. They're already ready but the Lakers. If if I had to pick somebody to put all of it together and be my chef of that. I'm picking the bronze Lebron good answer. I do like the fact that Moore Majorities Clipper scene was there last year and you're adding Kawai. You're adding Paula George couple of Landry. Shamet Loubier Pat Beverley Zubak mantras hair that that core team is still intact besides work out there. Michael Green even back shit like that and I like Doc rivers. I used to have in this type of nine hundred eighty used to Abe's had this he added with. I'm so glad he didn't retire remember. He almost retired two years ago. He was like off right before the season. He's a starter thing was about to retire got him now but he had the big three Boston. CPI Three Blake Griffin city and he has this. He has that experience of these. These mega teams new Frank Vogel is a question mark. I do agree with you. Frank Vogel isn't some laude if anything I would hope defensively he could you. We now have a top five star. Abe Rally at the one for defense. Whoever Doug says every practice I mean at the beginning of the season now says I'm Doc Rivers. I'm your coach and I will make mistakes but like I said everything I do is to try to win. You know I respect their name. One name on staff Squire Cower Kooyman is bad a little bit more feeling. Cao Kun is going. I think I got I got I think there's a lot of bright spots but his leaks and also all you wrap the fans that was crying season last year when he was making these podcasts and all of us saying. We don't think it's going to come back now. Why you take a saucer episode instagram and a couple of them was like y'all talked about the raffle five minute well. Something's is get the happy. Don't they want everything. I've never had problems with raptors fans. I have probably Lakers fans. thunders understands but not taking the kate. I provide some rules. Fans are annoying this account. I love him sinister as the raptors fan I love him. choose the first person. He said he said it's a wrap spicy Yakim year. That's a girl. The one I'm thinking about. Her name is Spicer's the opera. I don't know I have never ever clicked on a correct. I know you should have no idea I've never paid. It's so even if it is girl one love my boy as a CO verson. He has calories pitchman love him so there are some people but then few the whole family is of course is not diluted one one through five complain about a lot of it. My team won a championship undo the damage our nobody was worse than Lakers fans. I say that right here right now now in front of all forgotten experience exists fans crave mytalk five pissed me off. Nickname myself have a fan base. Is that that armor mentions that made me mad knicks are up there. Lakers thunder thunder nothing no pools and Celtics. It's just like the biggest markets then okay. See Your own team when you would. I like this. Your own team is fans. I WanNa know you because they think you have to always he's like be biasing. I've said shitting. Aren't you get to be stupid fan. You came up here and did a whole segment well. You just talked about all the bullshit. The Knicks have done over. This doesn't require kissed. Everything's GonNa be good which is really possible for you to have no wrong steps when you're working sizable impossible unless you're the warriors for the last three years bull a WHO's who made us up. I don't remember I don't know I don't WanNa headed Bu. I want to hear that that's just last couple news outy. You elsevier diffused tweeted therapy roads whoever to say he's going to have surgery. He won't instagram live. He showed his hand. He was like he was lying. He actually did have surgery. It has no scars bandages if you just had the surgery today but he's he tweeted that he's playing defense when he heard his hand so he's never doing that again. It's like you don't do in the first place yeah. Why is he doing that in like when he's not playing in the problem so he's trying to win. He was trying to start sputtering is Smith honestly probably CEPHALOPODA. It's going to be taught via Smith. He go pick up them. Maybe that was crazy. Magic Johnson talking about Kevin Durant Katie response and we'll take are- regurgitated Bush. He deleted that we didn't delete it. It was one of the best he's ever seen in history but he hoped he's happiness because he thought that wasn't golden state which Kinda agree with Katie Gray. Certainly everybody don't see you know so crazy like this is not just with the older other players but this is like in general people always believe that their values Sibi lined up with somebody else that was in a similar position like the guys will never Swiss cheese because back in my the values evolve like the players think differently now that they back the same thing like our parents. Are we think way differently than our parents do. I'll the crazy thing about this Kevin durant. Everybody is mad that he went. He left and now demand he left. Everybody's like oh he leave. I thought it was about wasn't we all I like. I want everybody yeah. Everybody knew leaving too late. You won't even know surprised by the KUWATA and we kind of knew them only talks in powerful ways of all time Tim Duncan Tim Duncan list. I'm nice because they go we do it says right here. The last part part is critical for this particular. He played a lot of center. 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I've I've heard the name of that because he was an six fourth fourth Charles Barkley our names third that makes sense seconds what somebody we haven't mentioned in Ja People Derek and in the Milwaukee Carmello Cagey. Oh I like Dirk I personally personally. I like easy to franchise goats are an NBA right. I'm just on the franchise celebration. Go to the inquiry. Yes Oh yes okay Kevin Durant James Harden James Harder ooh Akeem Olajuwon play for the side. I don't know about James Hard to just yet deeper. I think deeper pull up a tab of NBA teams so current players who are the goal of certain players now all later that had to be there have to be their team. It could be anything that's indoors. I team that they played for and remember they're not. They may not be superstars. There's right now but at one point in time they were a superstar. Vince Carter Vince Carter is the wrath is go up dwayne Wade but he just retired on okay. y'All name the bronze. 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2001 Pennsylvania 500

Classic Races

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2001 Pennsylvania 500

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This is the Marin classic races presented by Sonoko the official fuel of NASCAR and also brought to you by Hercules tires right on our strength UH BUT NASCAR Winston Cup series returned to the Pocono raceway today with a fierce point battle among three drivers all who have wanted this track Jeff Gordon has three wins here Dale Jared has to and Ricky Ricky Rudd comes back after winning here just five weeks ago both could I was unusual in that there are only three turns loss all three different. It's been all the compromise race track but jared says you can't compromise anymore with the competition like it is today you I can't give up anything. Even though we still here's talk about that we work hard at trying to make our car good and all three corners because if you give up something anywhere <hes> then that's cut your chances down of being able to pass someone or or give someone else more chases to pass the field is lined up ready to rock the honeymoon capital of the world live from Pocono Pennsylvania Winston Cup series runs the Pennsylvania five hundred next year Marin radio presents unsmashed car today sponsored by circuit city. We know how you feel. That's why we're here circuit city. We're with you. The Nascar Winston Cup series is in the Pocono mountains for the second time and five five weeks to beat the challenge of one of NASCAR's most unique race tracks the three cornered Pocono raceway hi everybody I'm Joe more along with Barney Hall welcoming you to him are in radios live coverage of the Pennsylvania five hundred we come into today's race justice. We started started last week at New Hampshire tied for the top spot of the championship point standings only this time ricky rudd is a little further out that he was last week but still only twenty eight points out of that tie for the lead so the championship battle is on the front burner here today Barney but the real oh concern is trying to win or at least finish well on this basically puzzling racetrack. It's tough racetrack. It's attract truthfully. I don't ever remember any team saying we've got figured out where we can be consistent. Every time we come here very few drivers in the history of the speedway way of ever had back to back wins. That's just how tough this race track is. I believe only three times hasn't been done is track is tough on engines. It has been a ever since it's been built back in nineteen seventy four last year for the same race. There were ten cars. I mean really good top teams that went out with blown engines engines. That'll be a factor today. Track Position Strategy always a factor here fuel mileage. If you run your driver Outta gas here. You've cut his chances to even get a top thirty finish. There's as many different variations on how you attack this race track as there are teams down there. Some don't shift at all some shift shift wants some shift twice some compare it to a road course other say no. It's more like a Indianapolis Motor speedway because it's flat so a lot of different approaches to this race track already this season. We've had three first time winners in for the lineup here today. With the nature of this race track like we've been talking about we could see a fourth names like Atwood Benson Blaney and Presley among the top twenty starters here today and and again on a race track like this who knows have had a lot of first time winter's here but that doesn't mean we can't have one today in a moment we'll hear from some of the drivers getting ready for for the start of the Pennsylvania five hundred pre-race ceremonies underway here at the Pocono raceway while the fans start filing in just about packing the entire grandstand as well as the infield in a moment we'll hear from some of the drivers getting set for the start of today's race from the Pocono Pocono raceway. This is M. R. N. radio welcome back to the POCONO raceway. Todd Bodine won his second bud poll in three weeks and qualifying here on Friday got a perfect lap around here but how about two hundred laps what's his chances for his first Winston Cup win. Jim Phillips of Newport Tennessee is with todd one hundred seventy three to six miles per hour of the bud polling speed like Joe said that was one lap around here takes two hundred to make up this race what does Todd Bodine after due to make it to victory lane for the first time well I <hes> you know it all starts with the whole pitcher. <hes> you gotTa have a good race. Car Guy have great pitstops. Everything's gotTa go right. <hes> fortunately the K. Mart teams really strong right now. We're getting better every week and we didn't run that. Well happy hour we. We weren't really pleased with what the car was doing. We kinda went back to our notes from the first race did a few of those things <hes> couple of changes from that point. Hopefully we'll have a decent race car. The Blue Light Special <hes> you know it was good right off the truck and find itunes qualifying and got it right so hopefully here for the race we can find tune it again. Just make all right adjustments during the day get good pitstops and be around at the end well. He just might wind up victory laying for the first time the bud pole-winner Todd Bodine Matiz been getting stronger every every week ricky rudd will start today. He's been on the front row for both races here. This summer at Pocono started I last time here and turn it into a win. Can you make it to in a row today. Let's find out Jason Toy is with him well rookies making his way back to his <hes> Ford Taurus as it gets down to the final. What were the crew here and Ricky when you look back at the pass has been four the drivers that have been able to do the season sweep here at Pocono? Can you do it today. Well we're GONNA try this same race car. We ran last month and it was very good race car and who knows we're going to go out there and do our best and see what happens. We ran very good and practice. We Ran Gooden qualifying so we've got a shot at it. Somebody's GonNa win. It might as well be us. You guys had a couple of days testing this past week at Indianapolis. How does that transcend and helping you guys out here? Well not a whole lot because <hes> at one time to set up some very similar to one another and I'm a little different than we are. We we did what we had to do to get the car to go around the track at Indy but more more probably differences in there than the war similarities compared to the past. That's ricky ruddy rolls off second here on the outside of the front row. Course Ricky's got a lot on the line just twenty eight points out of the tie I for the top spot of the championship points Mark Martin will this is one of the race tracks one of only a handful of tracks on the Winston Cup circuit that mark has not one at but he's always been strong here as he is on any flat track. He's had fifteen top fives. At this race track. He starts third today. Ryan Gary Montgomery of Rochester New York with him Arc Martin Jack Russia's Biogra- Ford again as you said Joe starting third one hundred sixty nine point six to two miles an hour on Friday mark this has got to be a racetrack that you look forward to coming to as Joe said in the lead at a credible average finishing position here of six point one to seventy or something like that <hes> a lot of great runs top five finishes fifteen times but no wins. What can you do about correcting that here today? Well I don't know did we always run well here neuron. I like coming here Reysen and I think we'll keep racing lockwood been racing that we all either win one or we won't and <hes> that's what we've done in the past fifteen races and that's what we'll do going forward a bit supplies last time we were here a month ago with Spanish but a new car today what's wrong nothing drunk but we didn't win. We didn't want in win last time and <hes> and we weren't GonNa win last time and <hes> so we're trying this car out here and and if we like it here today we'll take to indy <hes> it's a little bit different and <hes> you know everybody is really pulled together to put this thing together on short notice in so far things look good. It's still may or may not be good enough to win with but so far it's certainly is good if not better than last time and <hes> we get good <hes> good feel for today from it then we'll take it to andy as well Martin Rolls off from third here in Jackpot Russia's by report Marcus still looking for his first win in the year two thousand and one in addition to looking for his first wind here at Pocono closing analyst out of the Pennsylvania five hundred coming up here from the lead Ray Besta rookie driver and the two drivers who are tied for the top spot and the point standings from the Pocono raceway. This is Marin in Radio Rebecca the POCONO raceway getting set for the start of the event here this afternoon Joe only a couple of drivers failed to make the field Andy Hill and Burg and Carl long the only two drivers that did not make it into the starting grid. Here's a look at the forty three getting ready to start today's Pennsylvania five hundred Rick Mass will start forty third of the Dukes Mayonnaise Sayers Pontiac Sprint Dodge Kyle petty will start forty second Buckshot Jones starts forty I he's in the Georgia Pacific Dodge and the Kellogg Chevrolet with Terry Labonte is the fortieth starter thirty ninth position Jerry Naidoo in the U._A._W.. Delphi Chevrolet the Pennzoil Chevrolet was Steve Park is thirty eight position starting thirty seventh will be Dale Jarrett. We heard from a moment ago in the U._P._S.. Ford the low Chevrolet with Robby Gordon will start thirty-six Kurt Busch starts thirty fifth in the Sharpie rubbermaid Ford the Caterpillar Dodge Reward Burton starts thirty four thirty third Elliott Sadler in the motor craft Ford and the nation's rent with Mike Wallace starts thirty-second Ron Hornets junior starts thirty first. He's in the conceico Pontiac going from thirtieth today hut strickland the hills brothers Coffee Ford twenty-ninth Starter Bobby Hamilton. He's driving the Square D. Chevrolet. John Andretti has the Cheerios Dodge starting twenty eighth run your Jones as a command the fire the engines Brett Bodine has the Ralph's Red Cell Ford starting twenty-seventh twenty-six daughter Joe Nemechek the would home Chevrolet Jeremy Mayfield in the bubble one Ford. We'll start in twenty-fifth twenty-fourth. Matt Kenseth did a Walt Power Tools Ford the Napa Chevrolet with Michael Waltrip aboard starts in the twenty third position twenty-second Rusty Wallace the Miller lite Ford and twenty-first is Jason and Leffler the Cingular Wireless Dodge twentieth starter is Ricky Craven and the tide Ford Nineteen Position Kevin the page in the in the Codex Chevrolet. The CITCO Super Guard Ford with Jeff Burton goes eighteenth seventeenth starters Stacy Compton in the Kodiak Dodd. The Jasper Engines Ford Board with Robert Presley Starts Sixteen. They lady is the Fifteenth Starter in the Amoco Dodge the dodge dealers U._A._W.. Dodge Bill Elliott is the fourteenth starters. Starting thirteenth is Tony Stewart in the Home Depot Pontiac and the Budweiser Chevrolet Dale earnhardt Jr. Starts Twelve Bobby Labonte Body starts the eleventh. He'll be in the interstate batteries pontiac going from ten sterling Marlin the coors light dodge ninth starter Johnny Benson Valvoline Pontiac Starting With Jeff Gordon Chevrolet. Jimmy spent through in the K.. Mart Ford goes from seventh. Six daughter is Kevin Harvick the G._M.. Goodrich Chevrolet V is Casey Atwood the dodge dealers U._A._W.. Dodge Ken schrader has it is is infamous. Pontiac starting fourth third is Mark Martin the Pfizer Viagra Ford and on the front row couple of Ford's ricky rod the Texaco Harrison Ford and Todd Bodine died when he is second button poll of the year in the K. Mart Ford with the speed on Friday afternoon of one hundred seventy point three to six miles per hour engines have fired on the pit road just about to get the signal to send them out begin a couple of pace laps before we get today's Pennsylvania five hundred underway. It wasn't just built to be museum. 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We keep America running my four. The official truck of NAS car is built Ford tough to way communication by racing radios for trackside Ritalin sales visit the tracks scan vendor and authorized affiliate of racing radios and by M._B._N._A.. The issuer of the official NASCAR credit card welcome back to the Pocono raceway where Marin radio is getting set to bring you live coverage of the twentieth race of the two thousand one season. The Pennsylvania five hundred started off with the very beautiful weekend here Barney. It's cool almost fall like here in the Pocono mountains but there is a possibility of some bad weather for this days over now. They've had a front moving up <hes> through the Ohio Valley for the last couple of days but the weather people say that there's a possibility most of it will stay to the east in the south of us and let's hope it does. It's been overcast all morning and right now. This racetrack is ready to Goo lot of factors on the line here that championship point battle we talked about between Jeff Gordon and Dale Jarrett also Ricky Rudd is twenty eight points back. The Dodge boys opened. They can score their first win something. Maybe this is the place it could happen. Sterling Marlin seems to be the flag bearer for dodge this year although Casey Atwood has the best qualifying run of any of the dodge machines in this field and of course just trying to get that I win of the year number two drivers who won last year guys like bobby the body still looking for his first win hoping maybe it could come here today at Pocono closing in on the start of the Pennsylvania five hundred the cars are on a few pace lapse here before we get the drop of the green flag and Barney of course the most unusual thing about this race track we go to so many where they come off turn four head of the start finish line here they come off turned three and head of the start finish line. This is a triangular shape racetrack two and a half miles around it and the banking and each one of three turns totally different fourteen degrees down in turn one eight degrees over in turn to which we call the tunnel turn and only six degrees almost practically flat up there and turn three and I guess that's one of the most critical corners this racetrack Joe. Everybody says if you come off their you lose a lot of positions and we've seen that happened many many times a very long front straightaway takes a lot of horsepower to get down this thing and it's almost a wild drag race racing down on a turn number one and that can n._B._A.. A problem if you're going into turn one too hot you can get in trouble in a hurry to cover the action force here this afternoon on 'em are in Radio Kurt Becker of Almonte Illinois Joe Fourteen degrees of banking on this into the racetrack and there is some purpose behind that the front straight away that you mentioned thirty seven seven hundred feet long and sometimes we see three and four wide racing there it all has to funnel down to a more narrow version of racing so to speak when we come to this end of the racetrack and that fourteen degrees of banking can help cold the car in place because you're rocketing off the end of the front stretch now granted the drivers. Don't use a whole lot of this fourteen degree banking the key is to stay low and turn number one right down next to the white rumble strips. Also your downshifting as you come into the corner. If you get off this corner well then perhaps you can make a pass. I said the exit to the quarter and pick up a few positions will have all that action covered from just outside of turn one. One of the most exciting places on this racetrack is the tunnel turnover intern number two and to cover the action for him are in their this afternoon from Barry. Vermont is Dave Moody Hide Thank Party after a three thousand fifty five foot wide open sprint down the long pond straightaway these Winston Cup drivers will find themselves in the tricky second turn also known as the tunnel turn here at Pocono banked only eight degrees. This is turn. That's best handled on the inside Elaine. If you keep your momentum up through this corner at sets up in good shape for the seventeen hundred eighty foot backstretch that follows getting shuffled to the outside though means you might not make it that far at all either way we'll cover all the action today from high atop turn number to a lot of drivers will tell you that tunnel turn turn to here at Pocono is one of the trickiest and toughest in all of Nascar Winston cub racing taking your around this Pocono raceway this afternoon off turn number two. It's to the flattest turn this whole layout turn number three and to cover the action for in radio today. They're Winston Kelly Charlotte North Carolina. Thanks Joe and good afternoon. Everyone off of that tunnel turn day moody talked about swing wide almost grazing the retaining wall and then angle themselves down the seventeen hundred short shoot to set up for turn three this bank as you guys it only six degrees one of the keys here is getting the best angled possible to place the left side of the tires justice close to the rebel stiff strips that separate the race track from the Grassy area so they can swing wide then again off attorney number three and set themselves up up for this longest straightaway and NASCAR racing. There is some passing down this short shoot but quite often they use this part of the race track the set themselves up for that long straightaway to get a pass and execute it down the front straightaway. We look forward to covering all the action here in turn three this afternoon. Today's as broadcast the Pennsylvania five hundred brought to you exclusive radio rights granted by the Pocono raceway to Marin radio sold for the private noncommercial use of our listening audience any publication reproduction or other use of the description of the counts of this event without the express written consent of M._r.. In radio is prohibited prohibited field now working through turnover three coming down to the finish line where they will see the drop the green flag this time by couple of Ford's Upfront Todd Bodine looking for his first career Winston Cup when Ricky Rod looking for his second win of the year and hoping to make a clean sweep here at pocono yeah no second row Ford and Pontiac Third Road Dodge and Chevrolet here they come now headed to the start finish line safety carr heads for pit road. Here's barring hall for the start of the Pennsylvania five hundred as car behind the pit wall field comes down to the line looking for the green. It's in the air her and we're underway the Pennsylvania five hundred quickly as a green goes out todd Modi jumps out front single file by himself and now they found out hitting returnable one real scramble going on for fifth places to get into the number one turn your they come into the corner now side by side for Fifty Years Jeff Gordon Jordan rallying around to the outside with Kevin Harvick down low trader also part of that mixes will he and Gordon L. Battle for four inside line is the place to be Jeff Gordon making it work up high here on the opening lap as he powers to the outside of Kenny schrader they'll race side by side for the number four spot and Gordon with the Hendrick Horsepower. We'll take it over taught bone is Jeff Gordon swinging on the short shoot for the first time but I in licks it out by about three car links over Rudd. It's another got a couple of car links back to mark. Martin Jeff Gordon on the move. He'll peak to the outside of Mark Martin now. Look back down below side. Ken Freighter Jeff Gordon Looks Down to the inside of Mark Martin for a chance to buy and grab that third spot instead falling back in line is across the finish finish line Kevin Harvick also putting pressure on Ken schrader. That's a race for the fifth spot that heads down to turn one Arba peaks down low schrader steps down a half way no room for Harvard to make the move although he wants to do it now he'd have to get back in line straighter. Peter hangs onto the position at least Kevin Harvick follows right in the tire tracks of Kenny schrader as a hip along VAUGHN straightaway. Nobody making any moves until back around the eighth or ninth position. Where Jimmy Spencer takes peaked out of the inside of Dale Earnhardt Jr. nothing nothing doing there? He talks it back. Further back paid pointy face the pick up a and he'll complete that pass coming on the short straightaway. That'll casey back. One spot now moving up to do battle with him is Robert Presley. Presley honestly looks down to the end side south further up. Jimmy Spitzer looks to the outside Bill Elliott China make the moves air venture is one of the cars in practice really headed dialed trouble here on the third turn. The carve Elliott Sadler spins around he'll he'll take with him. Buckshot Jones Elliott Sadler got a lazy spin here in turn number three Barney Buckshot Jones slammed onto the brakes a little bit of contact between the two both of them are rolling Terry Labonte and also the car of <hes> Rick Mast and Kyle petty made evasive evasive moves to get by with that spin occurred again Elliott Sadler getting in trouble and turn three. Let's go back to Winston. Kelly Elliott Sadler was working out off the low side of the track that we talked about Joe and he broke loose as he was exiting turn number three and it was kind of a lazy spin up up the track. He was on the binders a couple of cars that you mentioned Terry Labonte one of those Kyle petty were able to make evasive action but Buckshot Jones he went into a lazy spin had a little bit of contact. He's got some rears damage to the machine but both of them were able to continue continue cautioned other speedway. It comes out at number two for an incident again up in turn three working caution the third lack of the event here at Pocono this afternoon again when Elliot Sadler in Buckshot Jones had a problem both have been on pit road will cover that when we come back from the Pocono yeah no raceway. This is our in radio back at the Pocono raceway the running in the Pennsylvania five hundred while all at scrambling was going on up internal before when he brought out the first caution just a moment ago between Elliott Sadler and Buckshot Jones before the field could come back around on we had lead change. It looked like ricky rudd took it away from Todd Bodine. This is the way they're running under caution. It is Ricky Rudd Todd Bodine Mark Martin and Jeff Gordon along with Kenny schrader the top five Steve Park is brought his car onto pit road seeing a few others in there also Dale Jarrett's in the pit is let's get an update their while they're working on the rear of Dale Jarrett scar jury also making a stop here these guys running near the back of the they didn't have a lot to lose but there's a problem on your car. We'll try to sort that out for you here. In just a moment rick mass car also end for the Stop <hes> as scary Montgomery reported Jerry Naidoo Getting Service. He is now on his way to cars came in pitted too soon the cars of Elliott Sadler who was involved in the crash up there and the machine of Buckshot Jones a penalty for those two here once again comes Elliott Sadler in for a stop also the car of Buckshot Jones back in once once again both cars getting some damage from crash at occurred in turn three on lap to let's go back to Gary Montgomery well. I don't have an update on the jerk car yet but I can tell you the Buckshot Jones. The right side of the car was extensively damaged. They were underneath. It was sledgehammers pounding things out so it's all right side damage there at appears to be all cosmetic update on jared here in just a moment Elliott Sadler being attended to buy his pit crew over there Jason Toy. You had a chance to look at it is very much damage on his car basically flat in the left side also had left front go flat as well he sustained right rear damage when he hit at the wall the left side damage coming from Buckshot Jones but most of it cosmetic. They're trying to reset the tow a little bit on the Left Front also try to pull back some more sheet metal on the right rear for Elliot Sadler was not going to be one of those days when we see town a yellow flags but we got one very early here Pocono this afternoon on leapt to feel. We'll get the signal WANNA go this time of the come back to the start finish line. WanNa welcome aboard four hundred seventy six radio stations in forty-six states nationwide aboard for our coverage. Today of the Pennsylvania five hundred was talking with Elliot Sandra this morning race fans ask. I'm a couple of questions. One was his most favorite race track and he said well. It's gotTa be Bristol because number one. It's close to where I live and of course he won his first Nascar Winston Cup race there earlier this year at the Bristol Motor speedway question also came. What's your least favourite racetrack and he says well? I really don't have a least favourite track. Look at the ones that I don't do so well on and this is probably it. He said Poconos attract that of course I've only been coming here for several years but I have a lot of trouble in this race track and typically. This is one of those places pointy that causes rookie drivers young drivers a lot of probably for the veterans have a hard time here and it's it's the kind of place that we talked about a moment ago up intern number three where wisened Kelly is positioned up there. If you're going to have a problem nine times out of ten you're going to have it up there in that flat turned. There's no banking to speak of their to catch. It's the car seeing more pitstops Bobby Hamilton his on pit row Jerry Naidoo comes back in Kyle petty as in. It's GonNa have the chasing Toy Bobby Hamilton just in clean off the front of the grill a little bit after a lot of rubber was put down the track from yesterday's Arca race also topping off the fuel tank for Bobby Hamilton Bolton and Jerry Naidoo in once again. That's what the problem is there where they've got the damage to the front automobile Jo apparently that could have come from damage that the rear of the <hes> the car. We told you earlier that deal was in just talked to the crew chief in somebody got into the rear. The car damaged. There's some fiberglass only he said nothing structural there so they repair that guard he's on his way they do is now on his way as well but some black duct tape all over the front end of his U._A._W.. Del by Chevrolet did they running Elliott Sadler in and out of pit row to make sure he doesn't go away down to make the repairs on his car. Are Five laps are complete again. Let's take you back how they running under this caution. I one of the afternoon here at Pocono. Ricky Rudd is the new leader Todd Bodine is now back to second mark. Martin is Third Jeff. Gordon's Fourth Kenny's Raiders Fifth Kevin Harvick is six sterling Marlin the seventh Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Junior is Eighth Bill Elliott's ninth. Jimmy Spencer is tenth than Dave Blaney is up to Eleventh Casey what his Twelfth Robert Presley's thirteenth Jason Leffler is fourteenth Johnny Benson Fifteenth Jeff Burton Sixteenth Than Bobby Labonte Seventeenth Tony Stewart Eighteenth Kevin Lepage shows nineteenth and the Napa leaderboard shows in twentieth position Rusty Wallace Napa auto parts were NASCAR fans get their parts Godinez started on the bud poll here this afternoon but did not stay out front very long on lap number three ricky rudd making the past before that caution flag before they race back to the line and Ricky Rudd picks up the top spot here hoping to hang onto it for the rest of the day todd bodine a strong car. He's headed that way for the last several weeks. It's not just a couple of times he's one but polls or run well. He's been running well. Consistently we talked about the whole operation there Jimmy Spencer and Todd Bodine at team to seems to be getting better and better and they seem to feel like a win is not far away maybe today here's the field now working off. Turn three back to the line safety cars on pit road Ricky Rudd leads a back to the drop of the green flag green flag goes back in the ricky gets good restart pulls away from Todd Bodine by a couple of car leaks now todd gets into wild up close in on his bumpers. They go to turn one here. They come racing back into the corner. Bodine checks to be outside nothing there our number one further back. Here's a change for the fifth position. Ken schrader down to the inside of Kevin Harvick schrader down on the inside of Harvick makes himself a whole. He'll look to slide up the race track in turn to but can't do it nate yet as Harvick is right alongside essay race the long pond straightaway at schrader on the inside Harvard gone the outside then squared off behind Dale earnhardt junior to the bottom was hurling marlins straighter down low on Harvard traders on the low side. He's going to try to bring Dale Earnhardt Jr. with him as they head torture number three making the move just behind the EARNHARDT Jr. Machine. Is that a Jimmy Spencer he'll swing to the inside early. Ken schrader now three one three freeway battle for the fifth disposition and battling for six as well coming down the line there four wide Kevin Harvick has v three wide for six and three wide behind them gracing downturn one three wide stacked up to rose deep seems like everyone's on the move. Here's Dale Earnhardt Jr. rushing up alongside Zainab Sterling Marlin now Marlins Swim store hangs onto the seven here they come off turn number one heading for the back straight away and we'll have a challenge now for the third spot Mark Martin looking down to the inside on Jeff Gordon nothing doing their he'll fall back into a single file that a long back to the fifth-place machine of Kevin Harvick right behind him come sterling Marlin Dale Earnhardt Jr. safely Jimmy Spencer inside now Robert Presley making a move on Kenny schrader position continuing to be the best battle right along the race track Presley look down to the end side of Bill Elliott. He'll post the nose of his Ford underneath a dodge of Elliot's case little try to make the move underneath a teammate as well still offer three Presley Elliott something gotta given that pack traffic the way they've been running too wide three wide and four wide a couple of occasions at the Front Appeal Jeff Gordon has eased up into third place and closes in on the front to trying to track down Todd Bodine at the same time. Here's Buddha going to work on Ricky Rudd just a car like in between the top three is a hit off turn one and hit the long straightaway all alone in the fourth spot is Mark Martin than a good gap back to Kevin Harvick who leads that second draft in the number five position everybody holding their slots this time down the back straight away and it turned to that battle title for fifty hugging the bottom of the racetracks Taylor speaks to the inside junior looking for racing ahead for three that battle continues to heat up earnhardt Jr. peaks to the outside now to the side Parbat covers physicians position behind Earnhardt Jr. Sterling All Day Blaney Spit Froth move again in Elliott makes a moved out of the inside of the race track here again Dale Earnhardt Jr. squeezed down by Kevin Harvick earnhardt trying to pick up a spot just behind him Dave Blaney trying to move they are now going to turn one side by side first of all for Dale Earnhardt Jr. Kevin Harvick to the outside. Here's plainy now rushing up on the inside lane of the racetrack. Battle Continues Challenge for the number two position on the law pod straightaway away as Jeff Gordon once again makes the pass on the outside as he sweeps around todd takes number two spots von Ricky Rudd for the lead a bit further back Dale earnhardt junior has taken over Kevin Harvick now trying to hold off Jimi Censor. Sir Turn to Spencer is going to make the past coming down to back straightaways go to the hard way parbat will fall in line behind him. Dave Blaney now sets his sights on Harvard Harvard back flighting just off. Turn threes settle down just a little bit back in the pack a traffic meanwhile at the Front of the Field Jeff Gordon continues to show just how strong his car is he had thought to taking the lead away as go back to one. Here's Gordon Chevrolet rushing up behind Ricky Rudd scored Rudd right down next to the White Line is Gordon Swings Outline and once again Jeff Gordon has thoughts about the outside pass. He'll try and make it work on the long pond straightaway four on the inside Chevrolet on the outside Ricky Rotten Jeff Gordon no contest Gordon around the outside. We'll take the lead at Tuck it right down on the white line they hit number. Two leader is Jeff. Gordon Ricky Rudd now Raji and second host behind the points leaders one and two now todd. I looking to make a move on Ricky Rudd. This time rudd covers a spot in the turn number three but I is back in third. It's about five car links back to mark Martin his fourth goodly distance back to the fifth position Dale Earnhardt Jr. Whole Jimmy Spencer Jeff Gordon becomes a third different leader of the Pennsylvania five five hundred eleven laps in Gordon Ricky Rudd Todd Bodine Mark Martin and Dale Earnhardt Jr.. 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He's he's only running now in thirty six from the Pocono raceway this is Marin radio. We're thirteen laps into the two hundred makeup. Today's Pennsylvania five hundred things of settled down at the Front of the Field Jeff Gordon shows the way ricky rudd a second Todd Bodine Third Mark Martin Fourth Dale Earnhardt Jr. now runs in the fifth position pretty good racing further back in the pack a great race three wide few moments ago for twenty. I I was going on between Ward Burton Rusty Wallace and Matt Kenseth Ward Burton one that particular battle. Here's a change closer to the front now Alibaba the body gets by Casey Atwood and ricky craven starting to put some pressure now on John Andretti there in turn one all this going on for eighteen position on back. You've got Andretti to the inside of Atwood Craven to the outside and there's more Burton back in the twenty-first physician or just sitting into captured waiting to see how that Andretti Raymond Battle Shakeout as a hip along on straight away. It's John Andretti on the inside Ricky Craven on the outside. So what for the CATBIRD seat about making it three wives does not have the horse power to make the move before the tunnel turn. They'll fun lost contact the exit a corner handwriting squeezes Craven and now Kansas all of that dual. He'll look down to the inside three. Why try to under these four Burton now bird falls in line behind Ricky Craven tensest trying to get off the threes hard racing going on between Ricky Craven Ward Burton and Matt Kenseth as a spill out here in the front straightaway? Go single file now back into turn number one moment ago we told you that Buckshot Jones and Elliott Sadler got tangled up internal three update on them Elliott Sadler has been in and out of the pit several times he did not lose a lap proved on a good job to keep him on the lead lap but he is back in Forty Second Position Buckshot Joan some seven laps down to the leader Jeff Gordon they're over to the tunnel turn to Jeff Gordon breakaway but ricky rudd having none of it he remains just five Carling's Cobra or the leader and that front duo separated by a couple of seconds from todd but I will enter into turn number three Mark Martin is about four car links back Kubota. I coming through three about two seconds back to Dale Earnhardt Jr. Than Jimmy Spencer Day Blaney Kevin Harvick Bill Elliott installing marlins fades for the ninth position. Bill Elliott has swept out of the inside of Sterling Marlin grab that spot just before they entered. Turn three also that battle talking about from eighteenth on back. That's still going on coming back to the start finish line ward Burton going after Ricky Craven. They're dead even at the stripe. Let's see what happens are still side-by-side going to turn one traffic lights up behind them. In the form. The Kansas also the car rusty Wallace there off the end of the front stretch. Now here's that side-by-side battle with Burton to the inside or Burton diving low on Ricky Craven graven with a little bit of damage on the Left Front corner that corresponds to some right rear damage by John John Andretti S._D._p.. Dodgers they moved down the back straightaway. It is birth down low craven up High Wartburg has got below line. He'll put a knows how to the Caterpillar raeside my sauce. That'll turn and they remain that way coming off a turn number two down the back straight away bad Kansas still pat merck state just kind of taken it all in deciding which line he wants to go in down on the inside his burden on the high side his craven Kansas and Rusty Wallace all that door to door racing has been going on from about about fifth place on back among the two packs of traffic. We've been talking about it has allowed Jeff. Gordon Ricky Rudd Todd Gone Mark Martin opened up a big gap as they exit turned over to and hit back up to the Tunnel Term Jeff Gordon is lengthened his advantage of it from five Carl up to about seven what are eight over Ricky Rudd that along get back to todd bowed either alone in third and fourth his Mark Martin good long gap half along on Straightaway Dale Earnhardt Jr. then a change for position as Dave Blaney down to the inside of Jimmy Ace master will pick up a spot op too and Spencer falls in line behind him. It's about ten twelve car links back to a good battle Bill Elliott looking down to the end side of Kevin Harvick's Harvick now able to hook the tires down in the low life sucks. I'll bet position so it's harvey Elliott Than Sterling all off. The three bill Elliott strong in the early going in this race started back in fourteenth. He's now trying to take the eighth position from Kevin Harvick. Let's follow that battle across the stripe. He's right up on Harvick's bumper. The head to turn one here comes Harvick's white Chevrolet Harvick looks behind him. Here's the Red Dodge Bill Elliott and other dodge there as well sterling Marlin Johnny Vincent tries to join that Donald Kevin Harvick feeling that he down for Bill Elliott say exit turn number one Elliott the moment will chuck right in on the rear quarter panel rent Chevrolet say race down the long pond straightaway it is Harvey Elliott about five Carlos back to sterling and Johnny Benson they'll hold their positions as they raced down in the tournament too short shoot Nobu by Elliott this time Arbat now been Elliott about three car links back make it four and a half to a good battle sweeping down to the inside and making the pass this Johnny Benson in and around the car sterling Marlin Kenny Schrader Stalin back in his pontiac the act he's back just behind Marlon by three-car links with a running at the end of Nineteen Laps Jeff Gordon Leads Ricky Rudd Todd. I Mark Martin and Dale Earnhardt Jr. the top five from six through ten. They will be Dave Blaney. Jimmy Spencer Kevin Harvick Bill Elliott and Johnny Benson Zain Eleventh is Sterling Marlin Raiders Twelve Kinney's having a great run here today Bobby Bodies Up to thirteenth continuing to move forward Robert Presley's fourteenth and Jason Leifer the top fifteen they go back to turn to battle number five position midway on pod straightaway were Dale Earnhardt. Jr. is feeling that he'd from Dave Blaney Blaney a lap after moving around Jimmy Spencer let him and his wake and his closing quickly now juniors they hit three and blaming out within a car length of the Budweiser Chevrolet headed toward turn number three one more time he'll chop another car link off of his gets a lot of lower doubt sue this portion of the race track recall back as I spill onto the French right away that is a fifth and sixth place Battle Dale earnhardt junior has fifth Dave Blaney back in six seventh seventh Jimmy Spencer and now Bill Elliott has completed the passive Kevin Harvick. He's moved up to the eighth position early in the running of the Pennsylvania five hundred twenty one of two hundred laps or complete Jeff Gordon the third different driver to lead right now he's got about <hes> second and a half over ricky rudd with Todd Bodine running third Mark Martin fourth and Dale earnhardt junior running v from the Pocono raceway. This is Marin Radio Jeff Gordon stretched out his lead to a full two seconds. Maybe even more this time as it comes back to the start finish line over Ricky Rudd and the Pennsylvania five hundred Todd Bodine Mark Martin Dale Earnhardt Jr. Rest of the top five running six Jimmy Spencer Bill Elliott is in seventh eighth. This Kevin Harvick ninth is Johnny Benson and tenth is Dave Blaney. He's lost a good bit of ground last several relapse matter of fact falling back even more back into the fourteenth position will follow up and get an update on the situation with Dave Blaney in a moment meanwhile we pick up the leaders there long stretch headed to turn to Jeff Gordon with plenty of daylight between himself and the second place Automobile Rickie ride putting all by himself just hitting his lines right down on the bottom of the racetrack as he has dropped her to. We've seen this movie before. I think it was about five weeks ago Jeff Gordon leading it out early on here at Pocono comes into turn number three hugging it down Al just as low as he can up against rumble strips. It's about a second and a half back for Ricky Rudd then taught tonight and Mark Martin around at the top four and it's typical pocono racing nine times out of ten we come to Pocono in the early going field a string out a little bit and then they'll close and they'll string <music> out again and then they'll close up again but some hard racing going on back in the middle of the pack that we talked about a little bit earlier this afternoon the chicken the pits right now and if we can get an update on Dave Blaney why he keeps dropping back what are the early movers Barney but he won't be moving now the light direction because he's lost cylinder her audience dodge so tough today blame. You had a super going just after the car sounds really flat as it goes by his pistol running back in twenty third position when we went by the start finish line has been lose even more running on seven cylinders. Now's the leaders over return to Jeff Gordon still with the big lead but it's heating up for the number five position. Jimmy Spencer's got company on his back bumper. It's Bill Elliott who puts the dodge right up underneath the tailgate Kmart or the Red Dodge looking down to the inside the red white and Blue Ford. He's GonNa make pass headed toward turn number three so he'll sweep underneath Jimmy Spencer behind Spencer about six calling back to Kevin Harvick and Johnny Benson. He'll doing a great job here this afternoon. Probably the only car that's anywhere near. The neighborhood of this speeds that Jeff Gordon is running right now but again Elliott started back in the fourteenth position Stanley working way towards the front now up to the six spot as check on some other stories developing down along the pit lane. It's go to Jason Toy. We'll cover updates. The drivers out in front including Ricky Rudd says the cars very very good right now the concern though they have a little bit of right front damage after pull back a little bit too slight contact and handle the track not causing problems right now. We'll check it on the first pitstop also check in with Rusty Wallace US pushing into turns as well and also Jimmy Spencer is having a dog time after an attract right now is cars awfully awfully tied in the turns and it seems like it's getting worse for Jimmy Spencer. Let's check in with Gary Montgomery. One of the dodge boys that's going in the right direction as Ward Burton number twenty money to the Caterpillar car. He started back in the thirty fourth position but I think it's out seventy baby sixteenth and he's only thing he said over the radio is your car is way too tight way too tight yet. He's marching forward in a great big. Hurry again. There are no problems recorded by Dale Jarrett Suitable Davidson. His Tail Jarrett was on pit road lap number four. He went back out at the tail end of the field but he's made up several positions. He's worked his way back up to twenty six place right now. Jared crosses the line now just approach the car of Dave Blaney who continues to fall back losing ground as we told you before lost a cylinder he was a contender great <hes> runner here early in the running of this event today Jeff Gordon is built a Palade now over three seconds but just checking his lapsed lap-times Barney comparing it to what Bill Elliot's running <hes> adjusts running laps of fifty six point one seconds and Bill Elliott running laps of fifty six point two so <hes> Elliott is screaming out there but a good ways behind Jeff Gordon course this is a long race so he's got a lot of time to make that up if that car stays as good as it is right now everybody usually when you come to pocono whether the weather's consistent on Saturday from what you go out there and practicing that final session and the same thing on Sunday you'll still end up making adjustments on the cars and right now. The field is kind of stringing out a little bit particularly at the front of the field as you said Jeff Gordon has an advantage now ah three and four tenths seconds got hooked up pretty good Ricky Rudd still ride second third is Todd Bodine Mark Martin still hangs in there and four earnhardt juniors about as quick as anything out there. He is Fifth Bill Elliott. We talked about how good his car is. He is still six and coming toward the front as quickly as you can get up Jimmy. Spencer Spencer is dropped back. He pulled up a little bit gained. Some spots in drop back to seventh. Kevin Harvick is up to eight Johnny Benson's night than Sterling Marlin. Make up the top ten as Jeff Gordon. The leader heads up to turn three and Jeff Gordon now L. sweeping around turned number three for the another time here comes ricky rudd three point two seconds back. It's about ten car links. Make it twelve back to todd but I'm Mark Martin a little bit squirrelly off a tournament three gathers at head for the front huge change for the tenth. It's position Bob in the body was chasing Sterling Marlin for awhile finally got down underneath him. Just as they exit turned number two so bobby the Bonnie picks up yet another physician now he is up to the Tenth Spot Jeff Gordon shows the way Ricky Rudd is second Todd Bodine Third Mark Martin fourth and Dale earnhardt junior running v six bill Elliott Seventh Jimmy Spencer eight Kevin Harvick ninth is Johnny Vinson intent is bobby the body you know Nascar Winston Cup drivers <hes> most of them are fans of other sports in addition to ask our Winston Cup racing zinc and Elliott Sadler who was involved in our first crash here this afternoon's a big baseball fan. He got the thrill of his life earlier this week. Barney went to Philadelphia and did batting practice and throughout the first pitch with Philadelphia phillies. He said that was quite a night for him. I'm GonNa tell you them and I was pretty cool to <hes> to go. Get it through the first pitch out of the phillies game to be able to take batting practice with the guys I gotTa Take Band practice with the pitchers man that's pretty cool to stand on what Jose Mason and swing about a little bit now. I've got a new respect for those guys to be able hit. You gotta be a grown man to hit a ball out of a major league. Both ball ball wouldn't bet they just the ball does not go off those bats at all and I found that day traded me like Gomez pretty something I'll never forget he did say knocked a couple of balls <hes> across the fence and they were fast pitches to but said there's no danger. He's racing and start playing baseball. I liked sit down job. I got no running involved in most time. You don't get beamed what a ball and I have to wear into the broken bats at you anything like that. I'll stay with this but in racing so you gotTA worry about spinning out getting in crashes early on that's what's happened to him here today. Elliott now number of laps off the pace will one lab down right now running forty second twenty nine up sent to the Pennsylvania five hundred to the road home Phillip would soon open the official Hewlett Nascar Sonoko mixed high quality performance fields for the greatest drivers in the world both on and off the track whether you are pulling up to the pump or experiencing the excitement being at the track. I'm race day. This will be four. They've already topped it up with Senecas service complete secondhand sonoko fuel and he's doubted way and trust enough to be the fuel that keeps you going capture the essence of racing and fill up with the official fuel of NASCAR Sonoko. 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Turn to couple of red machines headed into turn number three. It's the Brit Red Budweiser Chevrolet of Dale Earnhardt Jr. the Red Dodge of Bill Elliott stocking day moody said he's within a car link auditor three pill Elliot's got a good handling racecar out there in a strong race cars. He's worked his way up through the field all afternoon but he still a long way some catching the leaders now just about half the field from just looking here in the front straightaway and watching him go into the corner as Bill Elliott dives on the pit road will welcome that first round pitstops and make some adjustments Bill Elliott is in he's heading down toward Jim Phillips pitting all the way down toward the interest to turn over one. Let's go to and it's regular. Stop Barney Ronald Todd for him as soon as the other cars laugh thirty-three-year-old Stopper Elliott Bobby bodies speculated about five laps bell some of the others about five left the album Elliott <hes> everything's going online with him. It was flaps <hes> nearly as fast as the leader Elliott they wipe grill down in a way great. Stop Fourteen point six of the Stop for Bill Elliott Casey Atwood's on pit road so as Jeremy Mayfield cover over there stops. There was a poor tire chase reach of those drivers Barney four tires for Casey would four tires fuel for German Maysville. They're on their stacy. Compton also made a stop on lap thirty three few laps earlier lap thirty Brett Bodine came in and made his stop. I guess yes Jim Phillips a plan starting a little bit. <hes> earlier stops well. I think though the most of the governor's GonNa stay that plan of thirty-seven thousand eight laps just a little bit early for Elliot maybe not getting the fuel Bali's that some of these other cars getting the fuel mileage will bury today of course throughout this race Terry in the body peels off. He is on pit road right now also making a stop several other cars coming in for the moment and making stops again down to Gary Montgomery Robby Gordon driving and really for Mike Skinner the lows cars in for a four tire chain of making a chassis adjustment there as well Unocal gasoline going in Terry Labonte. It'll be a four-time chase. They're also making a chassis adjustment. <HES> Lebane- now is on his way and they're working on the left side probably work guard that strict on also the Makarov Ron Hornets Jason Toy Ron Horner they is into right side tires. We'll switch over the left side of four tires stopped Iran Hornets up in front of him about twenty yards but strickland with a four tire stop for his four. He's out the white GRATIN HORTA THEY FINISH UP services people down pit road and one of the car's been running the top five Todd Bodine. We'll make his stop this. These are scheduled stops. They're coming under green flag conditions. He is now Jim Phillips well. We've talked about forty. This crew a little bit of air pressure just below the right side to make the car return better <hes>. They talked about this early the races that's the plan to work with air pressure seats. They go with the two or four tires or going with four both teams will here's Tony Stewart right in behind him. We laughed Countess thirty five for these stops. They looked routine for Stewart. He it just to try to make his car turn better back down to Jason. Toy Kevin Harvick came in sixteen and a half second pitstop four tires and you'll for Kevin Harvick slight adjustment for him. He's been quiet pretty much. The entire afternoon also end Kevin the pages in chassis adjustment for him four tire stops as well as we anticipate the leaders on Pit Road as Jeff Gordon brings it in also now ricky rudd hits the mark the first time is he goes with four tire. Stop Ricky as head of problem is starting to push late in the run form four tires and fuelled for him now down the Jim Phillips ad here is Jeff Gordon that he's GonNa have a chassis Justin on his car norton of course <hes> a couple of rounds of on the track far for Gordon to make his car during better doesn't need to turn to much better. Here's Johnny Benson left side tires going on Gordon's cars donald away away fourteen forty four out of the way of Sterling Marlin who's on the pit lane right now marlins getting right side tires behind him Jason Leffler again the lap cout is thirty five Dale Earnhardt Jr. also in down here along with Jodi Benson. Jimmy Spencer was in just a moment ago making a Stop Ward Burton was on pit road. They Blaney was in the pits. Michael Waltrip is now making stop. These are all schedule stops. They're coming under green that will hand the lead over the Mark Martin who is still on the racetrack waiting for him to show up on pit road here in a minute so mark Martin should be coming in shortly to make his stop. It'll cycle back around what everyone else comes in and makes their stops. <hes> we were told around that thirty seven at thirty eight looks like just about everybody is doing a little bit sooner than that here comes Bobby Bobby Labonte who did tell us about thirty seven and that's when he'll come in along with Ken schrader Robert Presley Zan Rusty Wallace and Ricky Craven. Let's go back to Jim. Phillips and here comes Bobby Labadi. The cruise settled the wall. Joe Thirty Seventies you said is the Kelp right side tires. No chance you just but yes they are gonna make attract more chassis just four bobby body weight around the left side to change that side tires further down the pit. Lane is ricky craven getting service that size on point. They told US stop for Bobby Lodhi back Jason Toy four tires on this pit road for Rusty Wallace pushing very hard in the turns wanting to go outdoors. All they made a chassis adjust their Robert Presley said his car's been perfect desire afternoon four tires and fuel for him as they both pull <music> off road. Mark Martin continues to run on the racetrack thirty eight lapses what he's put on the school board so he's going to stay out there awhile yet. I believe Jeff. Burton also is yet to make a pit stop. He would be riding in the number two position than Matt Kenseth cycles around as running third Dale Jarrett fourth and Kurt Busch Fifth Today's broadcast Pennsylvania five hundred brought to you by team Monte-carlo the cars more champions depend on Chevy will be there by McDonald's we love to see smile mile by Wicks filters the number one filter Nascar and by Coca Cola the official SOFTDRINK OF NASCAR fans in the middle of green flag pitstops Jeff Burton stayed out but now he peels off the backing of number three hits the pit lane so Burton will give up the lead. It'll cycle around Dale Jarrett who also will be to come in and make a stop in a few moments where forty-one lapse into the two hundred lapse that make up today's event. Let's follow the Stop for Jeff Burton. Now Jim Phillips Edberg comes in. Let's see right side tires Roy Joe without being out the longest aalto cars little fuel on his game. A little bit later on this race could come into play. They're going to have a chance to just on the light rear. The car second kid of seventy six field is going right now. Left side tires for Jeff Burton Dale Chair will recycle Michael is the leader when he comes back around. He made a pit stop a little bit earlier. He remember he came in at number four with that. I caution flag came out so he could stay out there a few laps longer if he so desires so it will be Dale Jarrett running I Jeff Gordon will move up to second ricky run up to third Todd Bodine back up to four th Mark Martin Fifth Bill Elliott will be six after this round the pitstops earnhardt Jr. would be seventh Timmy Spencer eight Johnny Benson Ninth and Bobby the body your top ten then it will be Elliott Sadler up to Eleventh Kevin Harvick twelve thirteen th ward Burton Fourteenth Sterling Marlin and Fifteenth Should Be Tony Stewart Sixteen Thousand Ken schrader seventeenth is John. Andretti eighteenth is Robert Presley Rusty Wallace Running Nineteenth Casey Atwood is twentieth Matt Kenseth twenty-first Jason Leffler twenty-second Kurt Busch twenty-third Jeremy Mayfield twenty-fourth Jerry Naidu is in the twenty fifth position. <hes> Dale Jarrett makes his top gives up the lead Shuffles at over to Jeff Gordon. Let's get an update on his top four tires Joan gasoline it was about fourteen point three seconds very very a quick pissed off. They weren't concerned any longer with the damage to the mirror the car so he's on his way so everything cata shapes up exactly like it was we told you Jarrett came in lap number. Four goes gives up to lead now what he comes in so Jeff Gordon goes back to the front of the field ricky rudd will line up right behind him just like they were running before this round of pitstops todd mode. I did gain a spotter so he is up to third mark. Martin is now fourth then Bill Elliott Fifth earnhardt junior was still six Dale Jarrett will drop off the board. He was running in seventh when he came onto pit their moment ago or leading but he went back to seven from the field went by Jimmy Spencer still up in the top ten along with Johnny Benson and bobby the body's going to be interesting to see now after this round of pissed off with the adjustments that were made on some of these cars if it helped him or if it hurt him yeah and of course it's hard detail because should a caution pop up here at some point in the race suddenly all this <hes> planning and scheming and figuring for <hes> early stops or later stops at all kind of goes out the window so now we just gotTa sit back and wait and see what happens so far we've had six Lee changes just among six drivers. Most of those changes came because of pitstops starting back at thirty six was todd Bodine started on the bud poll here this afternoon Ricky Rudd took over on lap number three the drop of a caution flag the first one of the day the Jeff Gordon took over a lap number eleven eleven green flag pitstops began lap thirty six. That's been Mark Martin took over the top spot followed by Jeff Burton's turn up front Dale Jarrett lead for a couple of laps now Jeff Gordon takes over the top spot once again caution only one time so far today that came out lap number two where there was spent at turn three involving Elliott Sadler other that we've been clean and green and looks like there's only two cars not all the lead lap right now stacy compton and Buckshot Jones Ricky Rudd is second but Ricky's almost a fool two seconds behind Hind leader Jeff Gordon after that round of pitstops in the third place car todd bodine loses a little ground as far as track position out there he didn't lose any ground as far as being third on the field but he is almost a full eight seconds behind the leader right now here comes Elliott Sadler back in <hes> he will make his pitstop right now. He's been in and out of the pit several times due to that caution that came out intern number three earlier when he spun around up there and brush the wall just a little bit forty. Four laps are complete Jeff Gordon Ricky Rudd Todd Bodine Mark Martin and Bill Elliott the top up five lot of good cars back in the field trying to get back up there. Jeff Burton is one of those Dale Chair is another. He resurfaces twentieth after his pitstop. Just a moment ago got his work cut out for JOE got a couple of Ford's go data right now Barney over intern number two Jeff Burton has made a pass underneath Dale Jarrett. Let's pick up the turnover what al powers if down the ball straightaway here comes D._J.. Right back into the bottom product it back and Gerald moved down to the inside take the position back and he has his sights set now on the dodge in a couple of Ford's Awards D._J.. Making up some ground over there as he works his way a little bit closer to the front had a pretty good scramble going on between Mark Martin and Todd Bodine that would have been for third place as they worked their way across the line and hit back off in turnover one here in just a moment forty five laps on the scoreboard scoreboard if you just joined her broadcast we've only had one caution this afternoon this far in the forty five laps it came out and real early in the event when we had the problem up internal before lapd number two between Bookshop Jones and Elliott Sadler when both spun up there Kinda wondering about <hes> Dale Jarrett may be joining broadcast kind of light today at wondering why we haven't talked a whole lot about him. Today he started back at the thirty seventh position on provisional starting spotted you figure that's kind of costly for a guy who's in a championship point battle like he's in tied with Jeff Gordon coming into this race. It's a further back that D._J.. Has Ever started a race here. At the Pocono raceway explain what happened in qualifying on Friday well we'd just made a couple of adjustments trying to get our car to go through the center of the corner a little better and it <hes> went through the center better but got us to loose often <hes> just about spun out in one and that just ruined the whole laugh meaning anytime you mess up in any corner here is GonNa Call Jalad and just to get the car back around after that <hes> knew that the laugh wasn't going to be good but Jay race track that you start back in the back at and have a chance to make up. This is probably one of the better ones yeah but you know there's anywhere that I look <hes> around it at tracks that we could afford to start at the back. This is one. You've got five hundred miles so you're in no hurry got plenty of time to get there. The pit crew could make up the majority the the spots if we needed that but this is attracted. If you've got a good race car you can pass on so <hes>. It's not like I'm going to have to sit in line. I can get out and and use our horsepower in hopefully use a good handling racecar and the advantage today of course he's always strong any racetrack. He goes to it already D._J.. is running in the nineteenth position. Jeff Gordon leads forty-seven lapse into the two hundred that make up the Pennsylvania five hundred and when you purchase your parts at a reilly auto dot com you can pick it up in store when it's convenient for you. Your parts tools are accessories will be waiting at your local. O'Reilly auto parts store. No shipping cost easy returns and convenient pickup shop O.. Reilly Auto Dot mccaw O. Reilly auto parts better parts better prices every day auto parts. Here's your chance to win a set of your very own Hercules. At least hires go to Hercules tires dot com slash M. R. N. simply register and each month will give away one set of tires Hercules tires has the value selection and industry leading mileage covers to get you wherever you need to go no matter where the road takes you register now for your chance to win a set of Hercules tires and Hercules tires dot com slash Amorin Hercules tires ride on our Streets Jeff Gordon leads the Pennsylvania five hundred over Ricky Rudd Mark Martin I and Todd Bodine that is the front four todd's got some company now Bill Elliott has chased him down and Elliot on the move once again here they come off turn three back to the start finish line Elliott in the dodge trying to break back into the top five actually grabbed the fourth position. He already has the fifth spot. Let's see if he could make the move in turn one here they come off the end of the Front Trish. You've got bodine's blue four just ahead of Elliott's dodge now they ride knows detail all the way around the bottom of turn on a moment vote on will hold him off a good handling handling four right down on the bottom of the racetrack bill Elliott right in his tire tracks say hit belong pod straightaway put the horse power to work boat I by about three quarters of a car linked over Bill Elliot once again Todd I put it right down on the white line. The Blue Light special leaves the way off turnover to told us at the start of the broadcast that they needed to parlay a good qualifying run into a good finish. He's got a site sets on right now but he's got his hands full as Bill Elliott peaks down to the insight entering turn three but I covers the spot bill Elliott works is way off the corner back into the front straightaway determined to get back up there and see what he can do with the leader if he can catch him in this car as he worked his way Todd Bodine just a couple of car links back as a head for terms one and two or hit for actually Dow Return. One here comes bodine now. He's still has four and todd has to think about lap traffic. He's got the car rick mast directly ahead. He closes up on him with Elliot chasing from behind. I now will pick up the draft off the rick mass machine as they hip along right away. You'll just draft up on the back bumper of that machine is not going to be able to make the past before they reach the tuttle. Turn so quote on with Bill Elliott Right there in the rear view mirror takes it returned to closes with them to colleagues of the lap car of mass this time Elliott pecan inside inside of Todd Bodine decides he's going to fall in line now. He'll look down one more time running a half a groove lower than his benign but but I will cover the spot as they come up on that lamp traffic of Rick Mast could battle going on for the fourth position once again bill Elliott trying to get by Todd Bodine this might be the opportunity Elliott looks down low as they come to the stripe but instead that sides to fall back in line and again the additional factor that slower car sitting just ahead. Here's Elliot again breaking the below side and turn one time. He's not about to lift have coming into the corner Elliott drives deep turn one completes to pass he picks up fourth and dropped picks Tombo Dine back into fifth. The patients of the veteran Bill Elliott waited and waited until he found the perfect opportunity forced a bit of a slip by Taco dine now now he's got the spot and he's pulling away with it. He immediately jumps out to a six week. At seven Carling advantage over Bodine's downhill close in on Rick Mast de will stretch it out. He's within a couple of car links up rick mast China Sahlin back by at least seven carlings headed into number three one more time mast about half a group higher than his Elliott Elliott sets up to pass that he hopes to make on the front straightaway. I will tell you that rick mast is a lap down running back in thirty eighth position but nevertheless he needs to get around him to continue his momentum Adam and get to the front of the fields. He works here. The front straightaway pulls up on Rick Mast again. Let's see if you can get underneath rick. He goes to turn one. That's just what he's going to try to do. Here's Elliot cranking down into the passing lane at the end of the front stretch and he goes blasting by the inside of rick mast so Elliot begins to steady sites on the floor car. It's Ron Hornets a lap down as well as Elliot. Now will pick up some drafts off the rear deck account Seco Pontiac God vote on his lost touch with Elliot. He is just a faint memory now as Elliot it has broken away and begins to close in the LAPD automobile abroad Horn and A._S._A.. Hit the short shoe and after Elliott can dispose today machine as today moves down inside. Let's Elliott sweep around him on the outside. Elliott now has his sights set on Mark Mark Martin. It's Elliot cars of more today and rick mast back to todd him just passed a quarter way mark in the Pennsylvania Five Hundred Jeff Gordon is the race leader by three full seconds over Ricky Rudd. He's led to times today for a total of thirty four laps last last took the lead on lap forty. Two lab leader of the race is surprise Jeff Gordon who's lead thirty seven laps so far sixty changes among six drivers presently thirty-six cars on the late lap. One caution as waived for three laps happened a lap to when Elliot it's Sandra got together with Buckshot Jones up intern number three take a look at the Napa leaderboard and give you a fulfilled rundown here at lap fifty four. It's Jeff Gordon leading Ricky Rudd with Mark. Martin and Third Bill Elliott Fourth Todd. I V six Jimmy Spencer seventh is Dale L. Earnhardt Jr. Eight this Bobby Labonte ninth is Johnny Benson and Tenth Word Burton. Kevin Harvick runs Eleventh Twelfth Sterling Marlin Thirteenth Is Tony Stewart Fourteenth is Matt Kenseth in Fifteenth is Robert Presley running sixteenth is Dale. Jarrett Seventeenth is Jeff Burton eighteenth teeth. Ken schrader nineteenth is John Andretti and in twentieth now is Rusty Wallace twenty-first Jerry Naidoo twenty-second Casey Atwood twenty-third is Kurt Busch Twenty four Steve Park and Ricky Craven runs twenty fifth twenty-six is Terry Labonte twenty-seventh Jeremy Mayfield twenty eighth and Jason Leffler twenty-ninth is Michael Waltrip. Joe Nemechek is thirty thirty. I is up Strickland thirty-second Kevin Page Robby Gordon's thirty third with Bobby Hamilton Thirty Fourth Mike Wallace Thirty Fifth Kyle Petty thirty-six Ron Horn today runs in the thirty seventh position thirty eighth Rick Mast thirty nine Elliott Sadler Brett Modena's fortieth Dave Blaney forty. I Stacy Compton Forty Second Buckshot. Jones is forty third NAPA auto parts. WERE NASCAR fans get their parts. Let's pause ause ten seconds for station identification on our in radio the Voice of Nascar Jeff Gordon continuing set of blistering pace here at the Pocono raceway this afternoon Gordon head of Ricky Rudd by three and two ten seconds ricky's got a long ways to go just to get back up there are and close up the gap backfield strung out pretty good right now. One of the strong cars continues to be Dale earnhardt. Jr. Been Watching him get around the racetrack. He seems to get stronger on the the longer he stays out there. Joe Bob in the body is another. You talked about a little bit earlier. Bobby was coming to the front in a hurry then he settled down now after this round pitstops back there at eighth position but he to has a good very good race car bodies been shopping as way through the field here in the early stages of the debt but right now kind of settles in and this is the state to the race past quarter way market the event when you would kind of settle down first round the pitstops are over and so now you just kind of logged some laps for awhile and see how the race plays out Jeff Gordon at in front of Ricky Rudd Mark Martin Third Bill Elliott fourth and Todd Bodine now runs in the fifth position sixty eight laps to go in the Pennsylvania five hundred this afternoon race. That's been dominated by Jeff Gordon Right now has a four point seven second lead over Ricky Rudd so far Jeff Gordon is led four times for total of one hundred two laps e-last took the lead on lap one twelve. He's later for the race who has led one hundred two laps so far twelve lead changes among nine drivers with twenty eight cars now running the lead lab. We've had to cautions for seven laps. At the conclusion of today's race gatorade presents Gatorade Front runner award of ten thousand dollars to the eligible driver who leads the most laps in the event Gatorade is the officials sports beverage of NASCAR. Here's Gordon Peeling off the racetrack coming in to make his stop at one thirty five actually one thirty three. Let's go to Jim Phillips. Gordon comes in get service on the DEPAN Chevrolet. That's check in Okay Joe. Come in writing a little bit earlier last stop. You did like you said attires did make an adjustment autumn Gordon getting your left side tires right now. Second Kid has seventy six field is any is down and he is away Jeff Gordon. I might have caught the crew a little bit off guard there. WHO's in it left one? Oh five a little bit earlier. He is in now laugh one thirty three so they get him down and way in sending back out of the speedway here Johnny Benson in and we may see some of the drivers pitting a little bit early in this final round of pitstops. There will be one more stop. There's no way they can go the distance without making another stop here this afternoon. Ricky Rudd now has grabbed the lead Jeff. Gordon dived on the pit road that move him out of the top five Dale Earnhardt Jr. moves up to second Ward Burton to third now up to four th would be bobbing the body and Bill Elliott up to six Elliott's another car. That's gotten stronger as a day goes on nothing spectacular but he's just been rock-solid solid all day as far as picking off spots staying in the top five bill over the years says learned that game of <hes> hide and seek in these races were he'll lay back you don't hear a lot from him and then if he has the car that could do the job he'll pop up the last thirty or forty laps and try to make his way eight to the front of the field. He's been on the top ten practically all day. We've seen some great power moves he's made getting by guys like Mark Martin and body the body and ward burden so don't count him out except for the fifth position here depending on how these <hes> stops will fall. If there's any more cautions the final sixty six laps in this race bill could yet be a contender in this race but right now it's ricky rudd and we'll wait to see what his team decides to do for their final. Stop here today. The Pennsylvania Five Hundred Jeff Gordon after that pitstop drops all the way back to nineteenth position position but he's about to pick up some spots already he heads up to the tunnel turnover in turn to down off the bottom of the racetrack right down on the bottom where he is just sit out all day leader Jeff Gordon puts a lap on Jeremy Mayfield lab on Casey Atwood as he heads. ADS for three with fresh tires on he chases down the Kevin Harvick machine harvick started up in six. He's fallen back a little bit of course now on the move one more time. Here's Bobby Hamilton coming in Vegas. Stop at one thirty five. He was not on the late lab. It's a word about Kevin Harvick coming off a third place run yesterday at Pikes Peak Colorado took the red. I guess you'd say actually the Richard childress racing plane of the jet that got him back in time to get some rest last night. He's been doing this all year back and forth fourth running the Bush series and the Winston Cup series and miraculously having a lot of success on both two wins the Winston Cup series three wins in the Bush series he leaves the championship points over there leads a rookie standings over here and I discovered average something Barney today I walked up in the truck and we were talking about <hes> the race this weekend and he was taking he's taken some vitamins and some herbs and things and I said where did you get onto this deal. Just in the last year last dad is he fought off cancer with a lot of a lot of herbs and a lot of natural medicines and so I got he got me Kinda interested in it and then started using it and he got me on all the pills that I needed to take. I feel a lot better so I just kept taking them and I think I think that's helped me on a lot of about twenty five pills. He had vitamin E vitamin. D Vitamin F- VITAMIN ARE GEE. I don't know what Nali had the inner city I try and some a said we could use them in some of these long races but it seems to be working for him and you know if you just look at what he's accomplish this year in both series. He's come on as the man he's been in the spotlight. Throughout the year took over in a very tough situation and Richard Children's was talking about how he I discovered Kevin Harvick. I had a friend in California who is <hes> and on the Winston West team and cooks force at racetracks. He said you gotTa look at this kid. You gotTa Watch his hidden. This was several years ago and then I watched him and he won the Winston West Championship seen him run Tucson and some different racetracks and I've seen you know in Washington close into truck and you know he didn't have the success in the truck that that I think that he wanted to have it he had all the abilities took to what I was looking for. What I look for an a driver certainly is showing that now as he does great a great job born? I don't think you can say he's a future superstar. The Sport Kevin Harvick's a superstar already yeah he jumped into your right away and got everybody's attention. It is amazing what he's done. Running both the Bush the full schedule on the Bush circuit and the Winston Cup up in some of the commutes. He's had to make when the the Bush cars run in a different locale than the cup cars. Do that's beginning to wear on him a little bit. We'll see how he fares. Season continues to close down Ricky Rudd at one hundred thirty eight laps is the leader here at Pocono earnhardt heart junior writes about four and a half seconds behind him in the number two position Ward Burton Berry strong here for ward. He's just a little better than five seconds behind the leader Ricky Rudd. He is third bombing bodies fourth and Bill Elliott strong fifth mark. Martin is six Tony Stewart having a the day although we haven't talked about Tony's been able to stay up in the top ten here for the last couple of hours Dale Jarrett backup to Eighth Jeff Burton is ninth in Rusty Wallace tent and I'm looking to see where Jeff Gordon has worked his way back to. He's up to what sixteen yeah he's picked up to to the sixteenth position and of course everybody ahead of him. We'll have to come into make their stops as well. Here's a couple of guys nominally map-making stops Jerry Naidu who's been plagued with problems all day long having a push his car from his stop on pit lane also Terry Labonte was in. Let's check in scary Montgomery. As you teammates came together. They did not go out together as Terry Labonte was don lapse into his running on a fuel earlier as away but it took do for ever to get going push. This car is moving appears to me slowly. Maybe Phil's Data Z. passes by him him now Joe Nemechek who said a moment ago did go a lap down when the leader got around him. Joe Is shown at twenty seven th position he is in making pitstop down toward Jim Phillips as he has body right sidecars going on I seventy six fuel is in his Chevrolet. Hey around the left side later chassis just but on the white side of his Jesse while the governor of the left side J._J.. Left side dyers. He'll be down in a way back onto. The speedway laughed one hundred thirty nine Joe. You're talking about Kevin Harvick a moment ago. He is one of the Ray bestest rookie contenders vendors for honors to be rookie of the year. All the rookies this year that are in the ray best is program really doing very well. Kevin Harvick already has two wins which is not really strange for a rookie not in these times couple of guys who came over the last couple of years and then one racist the rookie year Kurt Busch is already had four top ten Casey Atwood is run good but he's still looking for his first top ten Ron Hor today one of those rookies and Jason Leifer. They've all done well to season yeah. We have four rookie still on the lead lapeer today in the top twenty five so you got Kurt Busch running in the twelfth position right now for the down the list Casey Atwood he showed an eighteenth Kevin Harvick is in the nineteenth spot and Jason Leifer now runs twenty-third green flag pitstops underway with sixty laps to go ricky rudd in charge in the Pennsylvania Selena five hundred caution flags waving for the third time this afternoon Kyle petty lost power as he crossed the start finish line limped out of the race track finally stalled over off the short shoot and therefore the caution flag comes out here at one forty three and Barney this kind of shakes things up. Some of the guys had made their stop. Some had not as of yet. It's GonNa it's going to change the picture for a lot of drivers that have already made their pitstop. This is a racetrack the reason most of the tracks if you run out of gas or losing engine or whatever you're carrying such a hit esteem you can always coast hosts back around and still get into the pits. Pocono is basically flat all the way around not that much in the two and a half mile racetrack. If you have problems here in the front straightaway you're not gonNA make it back and that's the case with Kyle. Here comes all the front runners on a pit row. That didn't stop Ricky Rudd is in Earnhardt. Jr. Is in bobbing the body pit road mark. Martin is on pit row. Jason Toy Ricky Rudd brings it in four tires. We're GONNA come in earlier on but then they saw kyle petty slowing down Mike Miss Wayne says say out there say out there. We'll try to make up some position here as they come on the left side now with a four tire supper him though chassis the adjustment they clean out the windshield Rusty Wallace in front of hand. Mark Martin is also win. Independent road is Vicky Red Bull's away second down the Jim Phillips Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Is in alone with Tony Stewart Bobby. The Body Sterling Marlin Zig his bits. Let's talk getting service the pit lane you've got Jeff. Burton back eluded a surprise there Jason Leffler is in a high sterling Barlett Ghana's. Go Down to carry Montgomery down here. It was ward pertinent for four tire change of gasoline. They may know chassis justice. No surprise there airedale Jarrett was in for a four tire change gasoline as well. He was running Sabbath though chassis adjustments there also in St Park in on it raining. I put road is Rick. Massa who'd is up on the number twenty. Seven Pontiac look like ricky roots team might have got him off pit road. I we'll see how this all cycles out when they come around about a very interesting race today thirteen lead changes among nine drivers so far caution flags have waved three times throughout the course of the event as it stands right now ricky rudd will regain the lead actually hang onto it never lost it because <hes> beat everybody off the pit lane here with fifty six laps to go this mid race update brought to you by M._B._N._a.. Apply for an official NASCAR credit card issued by M._B._N._A. With a photo of one of more than sixty drivers log onto M._b._n._A.. Dot Com or when you attend a Winston Cup Busch race stopped by the familiar M._b._N._A.. Grain booth and mention them are in for a second free gift just for applying Kyle petty stalling on the backs rich over there just a moment ago bringing out the third caution flag the afternoon. Let's see if they've moody have they picked him up with a wrecker and yet they have Barney and they're getting into the push back. Shorts hit area remains to be seen what the problem is on that dodge but he is on his way back to the garage. The problem is he's Outta gas and is sitting here on pit road right now. They've shot ether in it trying to turn the car over it will fire but it won't stay running <hes> they're all standing around down. No more ether Macau petty sits there roaring simply Tokai we'll be able to continue but <hes> stopover there and the field going to cautions. It's GONNA cost him some finishing positions but he is down away and we'll go back out of the race track. At last one hundred forty four next week Marin radio heads out to Indianapolis for the power stroke two hundred by Ford for the NASCAR craftsman truck series and the Kroger two hundred for the Nascar Busch series also at A._A._R._p.. It's Friday and Saturday nights. RESPECTIVELY THE NASCAR Winston Cup series next week at the Indianapolis Motor speedway in the brickyard four hundred the following week will follow the Nascar Winston Cup series to Watkins Glen International for the Global Crossing at the Glenn that is on Sunday Sunday August the twelfth the week after that Michigan International speedway host both Nascar Busch series and the Nascar Winston Cup series. It's a NAPA ONLINE DOT COM to fifty for the Bush series cars in the Pepsi four hundred presented by major on Sunday August the nineteenth then it's off to the Nasdaq speedway for the NASCAR craftsman truck series in the Chevy Silverado two hundred that is August the twenty six then Darlington raceway once again we go down for the mountain dew southern five hundred on September. The second will again are qualifying activities there on August thirty first but poll update start at three eastern time that Friday afternoon but Nascar Busch series and the Darlington two hundred on September the first then the mountain dew southern five hundred on Sunday afternoon September the second second then it's off to Richmond International raceway racing under the lights the Chevrolet Monte Carlo four hundred on September the eighth also that weekend that ask our busch series in the auto light fram to fifty at Richmond that is September the seventh these ticket offices are open hope you stop by and join us for some upcoming NASCAR racing if not we'll have it for your right here on m. r. n. the way they running after this round of pitstops a moment ago Jeff Gordon is now the leader Bill Elliott shows in Second Ricky road is third Tony Stewart would be fourth Ward Burton is fifth thin bobby the body six rusty Wallace Seventh Earnhardt Jr. Eighth Mark Martin ninth and Dale Jarrett make up the top ten and Jim Phillips <hes>. It's very obvious they will probably have to make one more round pitstops. Everybody will have to make one more morning. Gordon made it so made it earlier but <hes> he's going to be handicapped by about eleven laps <hes> all these tires <hes>. Let's talk to Tony Europe Dale Earnhardt Jr. screw chief basket about his machine right now Tony get down to crunch time here house at Chevrolet well L. Right now. It's been pretty good loose when star to race. We got a little too tight so we've backed off a little bit. Last time didn't quite get it enough so we gave it a little bit more time. We've got beat off pit road or a little bit working on our feel mileage trying to get her a little better than now got it. We're going to take off pit road but hopefully we'll get it back to you. <hes> hopefully at twenty four. We'll be strongest Rosie's bin. Dan Colleague Been Tough all day long at twenty eight eight far off of him either so hopefully we'll get that Bo shelley burn around forty right has tony. You're a crew chief for dillard argue. They WANNA make a run for the Dow shown in the eighth position as the field gets the one the laptop one lap to go signal forget back out of the green flag today's broadcast the Pennsylvania five hundred is brought to you by Husqvarna some name topic women for the dealer nearest you call one eight hundred Husky Sixty two by gatorade thirst quenchers. It's the NASCAR is an you by Pfizer where life is our life's work and by circuit city. We know how you feel. That's why we're here circuit city. We're with you for back under green. GotTa get Kinda Wild at the front of the fielder four cars that are on the tail end of the lead left just ahead Jeff. Gordon is a exit the tunnel turn and hit up to three and Gordon is mired back in traffic behind a ton of those lab cars here comes the Field Matt Cancer. Jimmy Spencer Kevin Harvick skyser on the tail LE- left are now has a Kansas City. The bill Elliott goes to the outside of Jeff. Gordon got him pinched behind some traffic. Let's see what happens at the line. It's Bill Elliott ticket over the top spot but Gordon is still there babbling on the inside with traffic in front of him. Here's Gordon now going to try to find more room down L. Low if he can find it may run back up alongside Elliott. That's just what's going to happen now. The lead battle is signed by all the way turn one Jeff Gordon on the inside Bill Elliott on the outside Chevrolet Dodge and the advantage goes to Gordon says he's got more racing room down low. He puts it to the inside line. Gordon forced down low now elliot will have to drop in behind him as they move card Stacy Compton right behind them is ricky rudd. There's about fifteen cars ahead of but this is the battle for the lead midway back in the pack. It's Jeff Gordon. Then Bill Elliott here comes Ricky Rudd. He's right on the tailgate. Bill Elliott decide behind Ricky Rudd doesn't WANNA get shaken out of a chance to win here this afternoon and so he stays with the front to is it come down the line across the stripe and put one hundred forty nine laps on the scoreboard Jeff Gordon Bill Elliott and ricky trouble in the front straightaway Barney several cars involved Ward Burton Jeff Burton also Kevin the page involved. Here's Tobbaco nine on WHO's come back out of the garage picking his way through the the crash scene and Kyle petty gets by good bit of damage all the Caterpillar Dodge of Ward Burton Rick Masses able to get by a lot of damage on Kevin the pages car the back in all crashed in on that machine and now Jeff Burton able to re fire his car. He's taken to the head of a pit road and turn in to try to get some damage repaired there but the caution flag is out for the fourth time this afternoon looks like about three or four car pileup as they came off turn three and headed to the start finish line wants to kill it. You have an eye on that well. It looks like when they came up with turn number three Barney. The first one that I saw break loose was award burke machine not sure if he got tapped and that would just all kind of broke loose as they headed down the front straightaway award burden the first one we saw broke loose and then it was just a Malay from there and another one that got a big hitter that guys was Dale Jarrett while the championship contenders as he came by me here on pit lane and a lot of damage the front end of his Ford and it could be big news for for every the Gaz running for the Winston Cup Championship Dale Jarrett wisened damage to his car will follow up on that in just a moment. We're under caution at laughed. One fifty about go back to pit road about five cars were able to get back on the tail end of the lead lap because of that Barney they raced bill Elliott back to the Line Jeff. Gordon took over the lead during that lap so he's back out in front now giving us <hes> sixteen lead changes so far but there is five or six guys on the Taylor lap racing trying to stay out in front of the race leaders. That was the opportunity they were waiting waiting for a caution flag. Those guys come back around and get onto the tail end of the lead lap well guys the Dale. Jarrett cars headed my way now. The crash wagon has just made its way back to the garage area a lot of front end damage on wheelchairs car. He's GonNa make a well. I don't think he's going to stop aren't bit road here at all. He is but the crash wagon on his way back in jared has now requires a car is there will be a long time repairing but it's definitely repairable. All four wheels are still attack and here's already damage as well crew member Amer came over the wall just to take a look at the sheet metal damage and I'm sure he's already radio the garage as to what the damages or at least what he can assess say. This is what we need to fix that we can visibly see right now. We'll keep you updated as to how long Dale stays back there and what they have to do the car but we are under caution left one fifty again it involves Jeff Burton Kevin Lepage Ward Burton was involved in it and Dale Jarrett off turn number three here at Pocono Jeff Burton took his car back to the garage. He's already back there. We'll get the update on him and just a few moments and also get the word on Dale Jarrett problem as well boy very very costly for Dale Jarrett tied for the points lead. This is going to be a big swing in favor of course Jeff Gordon and for Ricky Rudd who are still contenders for the win here today and how about Bill Elliott when he took the lead this whole grandstand stand came to their feet. You could hear him screaming over the engine noise as they saw awesome bill go back out in front of a Nascar Winston Cup race. He's been strong all day and he's going to be a contender for this thing to now running in the second spot while the question may be answered here this afternoon possibly could as strong as Ezekiel Elliott has been all day long to win will dodge when a race it could come here today might happen a meanwhile the chase for two thousand one Nascar weekly Racing Series National Championship is underway nearly a hundred local hometown race tracks at thirty six dates drivers drivers in ten regions around the country are competing for the coveted Nascar weekly racing series national championship with more than a million dollars point fund awards on the line to see some of the nation's most exciting weekly short-track racing contact Nascar Public Relations in Daytona Beach Florida or visit NASCAR DOT COM or America Online keyword NASCAR got a host of cars on pit road Kurt Busch Jason Leftovers pitting his car. Matt kint is in the pits so as Jimmy Spencer Johnny Benson Kevin Harvick on pit road believe Tracy Atwood is making a stop right now long John Andretti and also Jeremy Mayfield just some of the cars at pity. Let's go down to carry Montgomery while it was a pretty much routine. Believe it or not Barney at this point case yet. What's excuse me Elliot car remains on parole so trump is up on that? They're looking to damage the the car in for some reason or other stacey competence cars stopped on the racetrack at the start finish line. Is this sitting there waiting for somebody or something we'll give you an update <hes> shortly case <hes> case Stacy Compton rather sitting at the start art finish line waiting for the field to come back around so he can get lined up in his proper order Jeff Gordon though still stays out in front onto this caution flag with Bill Elliott sitting behind him. You Got Ricky Rudd Third Fourth Bobby. The body and fifth is Tony Stewart. We have forty nine laps to go. Maybe a couple of laughs here before we get the green flag and get the Pennsylvania five hundred back underway. Caution flag is out here at lap one fifty two because of a three-car incident coming off tournament three down to the start finish line the machines of Jeff Burton Ward Burton and Kevin the page. Most seriously damaged also Dale Jared is back in the garage. We'll get a word on those situations in a moment from Pocono raceway. This is M. R. N. radio back at Pocono raceway with the caution flag displayed and a good bit cleanup will have to take place place before we can get back onto the green flag. Some contenders for the wind today caught up in this crash here at lap one forty nine. They'll jared a contender for the championship is in the garage Ward Burton being taken back there his brother Jeff Burton is back there and Kevin Lepage. We also back in the Western Cup garage. Check in with Gary Montgomery well. I'm alongside Dale Jarrett who sits inside the U._P._S.. Car Dale from your perspective what happened. I can't tell you what happened. Somebody got <hes> sideways up in front of me and just getting get stopped. It just happened quick so <hes> just one of those things I can tell you guys crew is all over the current. Is I reported earlier. All four wheels are still on the car. They have replaced the radiator replacing some hoses as well a lot of U._P._S.. Shirts <hes> swarming all over this car trying to get their driver back into the championship hot here at Pocono just kind of having the benefit of a replay T._V. Monitor here in our booth it looked like not really kind of difficult to tail but almost looked like that stacy compton might have checked up for whatever reason up there and he got bumped award Burton also checked up to keep from bumping him and then Jeff Burton tapped his brother ward little bit and that kind of started things <hes> chain-reaction up in front of Winston Kelly and what happens a lot of times <hes> which was the case there too when one car gets sideways suddenly the smoke blows up in the air from the tires against the the asphalt surface and suddenly there's a wall can't see anything in the cars coming in after that that's all they saw a smoke in all you can do as close your eyes and hope you go the right way and obviously Kevin the page <hes> Dale Jarrett did not they got caught up wound up back in the Nascar Winston Cup garage so some contenders for the win at least one contender for the championship falls out early here this afternoon in the Pennsylvania five hundred but <hes> basically Barney the players that have been up there all day. We are still up there Jeff Gordon Bill Elliott Ricky Rudd Bobby Labonte and Tony Stewart. That is the top five. Let's hear from Bill Elliott's pit. I don't think we've talked to those guys all day and they've been very strong. Throughout the course of this event Jim Phillips well is s Mike Ford GRUCCI ability to the question wasted his Mike. You got him up there. Keep him up there well. I hope so we played a little bit strategy. We saw the forty five come by look like he is out of fuel their decided to pit early there. You know if you're within a certain certain distance from the later you don't lose latte pin here so we gambled a little bit got some track position. We'll save. We can hold it from here this field keep staying staying in a caution here. You'll have to make more stop right yeah. We share will <hes> you know. It's a little bit of a strategy right now. If this caution in stays stays out for a little bit longer some of these guys are probably hit pit road and gamble a little bit and we'll just gonNA have to keep an eye on that spike Ford GRUCCI for Bill Elliott. Most of the teams have been coming in anywhere from thirty three to about thirty five. Maybe thirty six laps apps so we can see how this window plays out as far as fuel manage believe a moment ago Kurt Becker. You said that word Burton's car came to rest ended up down in front of you toward turn one. He came down this into the race track then continued on away now the car Kevin Lepage had come to arrest we did see see Kevin Crawl from his car under his own power but then the word Burton car continued down in front of Dave Moody Indeed today he was trying to limp it back home and then the left front tire let go about halfway through between turns one and two and really just tore that Carl two pieces the flapping rubber tore up the left side fender a good deal the inner fender will a hood <hes> a lot of debris on the back straightaway still being cleaned up and they ended up having to put the Caterpillar Dodge up on the record to get him back to pit road guys. I have just caught up with war asked me who hit me. I can't tell them but perhaps you can tell us what happened from his perspective. What happened lap car ninety two was <hes> and a high groove and ran up on him at to slow down and <hes> my brothers right behind me and we got together but can you know obviously there's nothing intentional jeff side and Jeff just <hes> one assigned to writing but <hes> cat payment denigrate your shame? We got caught up. We can't have any damn luck Pocono one day we know damn look is <hes> I guess uh-huh it all up you did have an outstanding run going coming from the thirty four starting position up to his highest third it's while we talked about a little bit early this afternoon that they have had so. Many things happen to them. It's really not supposed to happen toward Burton's team that have kept him from having either win or at least two the top five finish almost every week with just a little bit of good luck. They had a win throughout the course of this year <hes> the team owner Bill Davis spend some time in the hospitals wasting the race track from the business <hes> his wife Gail. Davis was <hes> injured on motorcycle crash last week's matter of fact and I think she's doing okay now. In our our best wishes go out to gail here today and unfortunately <hes> your car is not doing too well. It's back in the Western Cup garage hope to hear from Jeff Burton back in the garage as well and just a few moments he was another. One of the cars caught up in that crash as you heard from Ward Board. He's out of the race here as well with forty six laps to go in the Pennsylvania five hundred Joe. I have caught up with Jeff Burton words brother. You guys had a little conversation a few minutes ago you WanNa tell us what you had to say. Just went over to tell him out starring. Sorry <hes> maintenance doing I talked to Jerry to that. We vow sideline got checked up coming off a four Alpha three the ninety two got really loose and he and he stopped guy slowed down and I didn't get slow down <hes> <hes> I saw it I just think slow down quick enough and then Spun Ward and I was going through it and then some I ran in the back of us and just I don't know that's racing. I guess I hated having we had a pretty decent car. We were getting better as a day went on. We certainly had a top ten car and I know it hurts. Jared appoint a chance to win. We had a good good top Jan going and hurt us and a lot of people hate to everybody news out of it along with his brother very all of a sudden very busy here in the garage area at Pocono and just one of those things that will happen open from time to time somebody checks up. There's a chain reaction at this time. It involved four cars one more lap. We'll go back to green. There are twenty four cars on the lead lamp field goes back to green and laugh one fifty six Jeff Gordon takes him down to turn one here comes Gordon nothing but open racetrack ahead of him but he looks behind and here comes Bill Elliott Elliott swingset out why trying to track in the race leader Gordon breaks clear the inside line lap traffic bill Elliott right behind him and say hit the back straightaway ricky run a little bit slower on the uptake. He's got three. Maybe four car links to make up right behind him. Bobby Labonte Dale earnhardt junior and Tony Stewart Gordon lease at the end of the tournament to back in second thundering down the short shoot. It's Gordon by calling are linked over Bill Elliott about six back to the battle between Ricky Rudd and Bobby Labonte La Bonnie looks to the inside of road to sign off a turn leasing right down to the bottom line fanning out against the outside retaining wall here they come charging charging back to the start finish line to car links between Jeff Gordon Bill Elliott Five Carlin number three trouble tail Jerry just slept the outer retaining wall the right front tires bowed out jet hit Seattle retaining wall and then comes down across crossed Grassy area to the runoff road caution flag is displayed the field works off turn one Jeff Gordon Bill Elliott. Try to break away from the feel they put some distance between themselves in the third place automobile of Ricky Rudd everybody keeping it knows detail. I car jumping Atalaya is Tony Stewart Stewart diving down to the inside of little off turn to Dale Jarrett had just come back out of the garage. WHO's GonNa make a few laps in get as many wants to cut points he could he smacked the wall up and turnover? Three and caution is on the speedway apparently from some debris that came off Dale Jarrett car as the feel races through turn three and heads back down to the start finish line they will see the caution flag at last one hundred and Fifty Eight as Jeff Gordon brings him down. I they thought that Dale Jarrett could make it back to pit road which he did unfortunately in the process he left pieces of his <hes> U._P._S.. Ford scattered all the race track from turn three to the entrance of pit road so nascar spotter saw the debris being shed there on the racing surface but the caution flag out in your lap one fifty eight and D._J.. Now tries to make it back to the garage. Don't quite make it. The car stalls at the entrance to the garage area. Here's Hud Strickland also coming down to make a stop. The caution flag comes out once again and <hes> they were just getting going good. That was <hes> about about to be a good battle upfront is <hes> Bill Elliott was right behind Jeff Gordon the restart a moment ago Kevin the page was involved in an accident off turnover three. Let's see if we can get word from him. Well Kevin System back out of the hauler heavy front end damage in rear and damaged loaded up on the the lift gate Bac of Kevin. Would you see out there well. I guess what happened to the to Britain brothers get together there. OUGHTA turn four or turns three over here and I would just out there riding alone trying to get some positions with Kodak Chevrolet next thing you know got run over from the back in <hes> turned around into the wall and <hes> just ended our day just hated it. We're we're on a great great car but we're going to be about twenty to twenty second place car in our days cut shorewood just get get him at indy as we said heavy front and rear end damage today is done though for the morgan-mcclure Ray State so Jeff Burton is in the garage Kevin Pages car in the garage and now <hes> Dale Jarrett car is sitting just behind the pit wall of the inference in the garage. They're taking a look at it to see if they might be able to send him back onto the race track at least make another lap or two hundred fifty eight laps or complete that gives us forty two to go here at Pocono. Oh this afternoon in the race. That has had a little bit of everything. It's been a very <hes> interesting race. Throughout the course of the event. <hes> had a lot of lead changes course most of those came during a green flag pitstops. Let's see we had like seven or eight lead changes in the first <hes> series of green flag black pitstops at about eight or nine in the second series of those stops otherwise <hes>. It's been pretty much Jeff Gordon. All days led more laps than anybody else has and right now leads the field onto the pit road. This should be the final set of pitstops for the running after today's race if we stay out of the grain flag at Jeff Gordon leads the parade down the pit road. We go there now. The pit lane brought to you by McDonald's drive-thru. Here's Jim Phillips here comes Jeff Gordon. The most important thing this time Joe is going to be fuel but he's going to get right side tires gonNA seventy six villas in Elliott. No tires just fuel labadze no tires just the Safer Sterling Marlin the state for Tony Stewart Dale Earnhardt Jr. Gordon off retired got us good out of Jason Toy Ricky Rudd brings it in and they pull back out on pit road as well now down to Gary Montgomery while rookie gasoline along with Mark Martin as well as we have shuffle here on pit road but everybody's on their way now the race off pit road. I believe is going to be one by Dale Earnhardt Jr.. Let's go down to turn one and make sure that I'm correct on that Kurt Yeah Dale Earnhardt Jr. up at the front of the line behind him. Then you've got the car bill Elliott Tony Stewart Ricky Rudd and Bobby Labonte real restart here in just a moment and the key is going to be can they make it on fuel one hundred fifty nine laps when they made these pitstops. That's going to give us forty to go and that would be a little bit longer than anybody's run today. That will be close. We'll follow up in <hes> see what some of the teams are saying about their chances to make it all all the way imagine. They're doing some figuring right now M._R.. In radio brings you complete coverage of the Nascar Winston Cup series but we don't stop there. We follow the series almost every week. Why not take time right now and caller right the radio station? You're listening to and thank them for airing. 'EM are in radio broadcast because listener response is the the only way a radio station can determine what programs to broadcast to let you know what station you're listening to now. We'll pause ten seconds for station. Identification on 'em are in radio the voice of Nascar's back at Pocono raceway this afternoon noon with Dale Earnhardt Jr. leading the way under the caution flag. It's Johnny Benson and second Tony Stewart in third by the Vanni Fourth Bill Elliott isn't v Ricky rudd is six seventh is Rusty Wallace eight is mark. Martin Ninth is Robert Presley and tenth sent this Dave Blaney Lot of drivers say that racing here at Pocono helps them at Indianapolis and they say the testing in Indianapolis helps them race here at Pocono. I guess the major similarities Barney the fact that both racetracks are pretty much flat as far as the corners concerned and there's differences at each of the racetrack yeah. There's a lot of trade offs when you test in India you learn stuff. It will help you here at Pocono and vice versa. I've heard the same thing from a lot of drivers there is a lot of there are a lot of similarities at the two tracks of course next week like the Nascar Winston Cup series moves on to Indianapolis to run the brickyard four hundred big event for the first time. It's going to be run on Sunday afternoon. In Marin radio will also be in town to bring you live coverage of the NASCAR craftsman truck series and the Nascar Busch series at Indianapolis Raceway Park. Our coverage starts on Friday evening at seven thirty eastern time for the power stroke two hundred by Ford for the trucks and then on Saturday evening at seven thirty eastern time the Kroger two hundred for the Nascar Busch series machines. That's next Friday and Saturday evening from thereafter the Winston Cup cars run the brickyard four hundred on Sunday we move onto Watkins Glen International for the Global Crossing at the Glenn then the Michigan International Speedway for the Pepsi four hundred presented by mayor then to Nazareth speedway on Sunday August twenty six to Chevy Silverado two two hundred for the NASCAR craftsman truck series back to old Darlington raceway for the mountain to southern five hundred on September the second these ticket offices are open a guarantee. You'll see some great racing. If you can join us if not will bring it to your right here on 'em are in radio the field any indication. They'll take the green next time by and Jim Phillips. Have you had a chance to talk with anybody down there. That's running up in on the lead lap in your area that <hes> has any concern or any doubt that they will be kinda risking running out of fuel before this one's over we'll pick <hes> all the crew chiefs with these cautions took <hes> took all that equation out and nobody down here seems concerned at <hes> they would run out of fuel. I know that Gordon's team did the extra precaution of <hes> coming back in and they're the only team that did that so we'll see I plays out out so a few drivers. <hes> who run a little further back in a pack did duck onto pit road just a moment ago a lap ago a lap ago to take on a splash fuel. Jimmy Spencer was one of those Ricky Craven believe Kenny Schrader came in along with Casey Atwood and Jason Leffler and Michael Michael Waltrip some of the drivers who just took on a precautionary splash fuel to make sure they get home. Those guys were near the tail end the lead laps. Oh had not a whole lot to lose a whole lot to gain by coming into getting a splash of fuel that could take them the rest of the way well get ready to go back onto the green flag. It will be twenty seven laps to go. Let's give you look at the NAPA leaderboard now showing twenty-three cars on the lead lap dale earnhardt Jr. Upfront Johnny Benson and second Tony Stewart Third Bobby Labonte fourth and Bill Elliott in fifth ricky rudd is six Rusty Wallace his the seventh Mark Martin is Eighth Robert Presley runs ninth. Dave Blaney is Tenth Sterling Marlin runs in the eleventh position. Matt Kenseth is Twelfth Kevin Harvick Thirteenth Steve Park Fourteenth Jeff Gordon is Fifteenth Jeremy Mayfield runs in sixteenth with Casey Atwood and seventeenth. Jimmy Spencer is eighteenth Ricky Craven Nineteenth. Ken Traders Twentieth twenty-first is Jason Leffler twenty-second Michael Waltrip and twenty-third John Andretti those the cars on the lead lap further back one lap down Joe Nemechek. He's twenty-fourth Jerry we need to his twenty-fifth. Mike Wallace twenty-six Robby Gordon twenty-seventh Elliott Sadler Twenty Eighth Kurt Busch Twenty ninth and Ron Horrid Day now runs in the thirtieth position Napa auto parts were NASCAR fans get their parts pace car behind the pit wall field comes comes out of line. Green flag is in the air. Let's see if we can get in twenty seven laps under green on the break earnhardt. Jr. Gets a great restart and pulls away from everybody by four five colleagues before he gets to turn one and before Johnny Benson the second place driver get up to speed the lap car. Mike Wallace is going to enter the mix so you've got Dale Earnhardt Jr. the leader did Wallace's Latin machine then vincent just a perfect restart for Dale earnhardt Jr. a lot of real estate and a lack car between himself and the runner up machine of Johnny Benson right behind Benson third-place automobile Tony Stewart running about three car lengths back. He's got plenty of help from Bobby Labonte as the body now peaks down to the inside a team May Tony Store dragway down the short shoot in turn number. Three Lebron on the inside makes the move. He'll drop kick back stewart before Johnny Benson goes down to the inside of the track trying to get by the lap car of Mike Wallace further back here comes rusty wallace breaking into the picture he works to the inside of Ricky Rudd racing there for the six position so rusty wallace coming into the front of the pack. They'll Elliott just in front of him. They hit return one here. They come racing back into the corner. You've got Dale Earnhardt Jr. Upfront. He's got twelve corn linka advantage over Johnny Benson and. Here's Bobby Labonte. He signed with the inside and third La body still has to deal with the lap car of Mike Wallace he pulls right up on his back bumper. As a hip along pond straightaway now we'll dive down to the inside and try and move past him Tony Stewart not close enough to give him any help help but Lebanon. We'll do it all on his. Ill the third place in searches Johnny Benson Mass couple of pontiacs chasing a Chevrolet earnhardt. Jr. headed into turn number three twelve carling advantage over Bentsen about four back to Bobby Nevada. He's the man on the March Austar three junior. Try to put as much daylight on everybody else's he possibly can there will be twenty five laps to go for the leader Juniors. He crosses the line. This time Benson loses a little more ground. Tony Stewart gains little ground on second second-place as they go down to turn one all of a sudden now Johnny Benson may be endanger of losing that spot. He's going to have to deal with Bobby Lou body and possibly teammate Tony Stewart as well. Here's Stewart now trying to bypass the left store of Mike Wallis. Tony Stewart like his teammate may digits moments ago takes it down the inside of the lap machine and he'll put the horsepower to work down that long palm straightaway so it continues to be Dale earnhardt Jr. Johnny Benson Bobby Low body rotting in third and now Tony Stewart breaks it open. He is looking to close losing and behind Tony Store in the Latte machine of Mike Wallace and Joe Nemechek is bill Elliott behind him Rusty Wallace Mark Martin works to the outside of the Latte machine of Mike Skinner here comes Robert Presley. He's gotten around the Ricky Rudd Car Arne strong a good Ronnie's in the eighth position Ricky Rudd back in ninth. Dave Blaney intent remember all the problems he had early on this afternoon Jeff Gordon Way back there. He's in the twelfth position out got a lot of work to do to catch the front runners owners and keeping an eye on Robert Presley now up to the spot trying to get around Mark Martin for seven also further ahead channels baby on for second the long straight Bobby Labonte has got the crosshairs on Johnny Benson say hip along pond straight. He is right up on career bumper now the valvoline Pontiac as a drag race down the back straightaway Ladas there but he's not close enough to make the move he'll follow the tire tracks off to labontes been patient all day long working as way up through the field this time he'll look down to the inside Diet Bentson not able to make the move. It's a car link now. Between Benson and La Bonnie five far links back to Tony stored in fourth bobby the body looking for his first win of the year two thousand in what it could come here this afternoon if he can run down earnhardt Jr. the sale twenty-three. Let's go. He doesn't have much time left to get it done. They hit back fraternal. One Kenny gets second place for the moment. That's what he's working on right now. Here's Bobby Labonte in third trying to grab second away from Johnny Benson for now he follows Pinson's tire tire tracks. They both work the bottom dri turn first things first for Bobby Labonte. I gotta get by Johnny. Benson Benson is not going to go quietly. He's got plenty of horsepower under the hood of that Pontiac and once again he is able to hold the body off on the straightaway as they they head down now to turn number two. It's Johnson opening up a two carling advantage over Bobby Labonte. He has opened up just a bit this time down the short shoot and headed into turn number three meanwhile Tony stored continuing to real that battle in he's back in the fourth position Russian Bill Elliott disposes of Mike Wallace. He's back in fifth Rusty Wallace now on the mark further back. You've got the car Robert Presley hugging the inside of the race track Mark Martin. They're challenging him. Ricky Rudd has lost a little bit of ground might be about the lose as a spot. Here's Dave Blaney pulling the end side of Ricky Rudd but rudd will beat him just behind them Jeff Gordon making a move to the inside of Matt Kenseth. You've got ricky rudd running in the Ninth Position Day Blaney Tenth and then here comes Jeff Morton side-by-side Kansas the battle for the eleventh turn one Gordon who's making two and three wide moves coming off turn to just about every lap try to fight his way back into this thing goes down to the inside lane and he'll put the horsepower to work all the straightaway as he goes after Jimmy Spencer No long for Jeff Gordon passed back benchers tire tracks unable to gain a spot this time off to Gordon looks to the inside of Spencer decides he'll fall in line. Meanwhile the Hamill Safeta gone away just a bit for the Ricky Rudd machine but he's able to regain became the position from Dave Laney is about what Portland Jimmy Smits Rafa Three Ricky Rudd car not working as well as it has earlier here this afternoon and he can't get out of that traffic and get up there and become a player at least to salvage the top five finish earnhardt art junior takes him back to turn one and it's a good twenty court links back to Johnny Benson and second here comes Bobby Labonte still trying to wrestle that position away from Vinson body taking it to the outside line as Dale Earnhardt Jr. did earlier can't find anything there now dies down to the inside Bobby Labonte fake high dives low. He'll take over second. I'm a long pond straightaway so low body through the fate to the high side Benson moved up to block lombardi cranking lesson he goes to the to spot and his pulled away by about three car links over over Benson into the short shoot behind Benson still four-car links back to Tony Stewart Bill Elliott about a second back in the fifth position Rusty Wallace still really him in six twenty laps to go when they come down to the line can bobby the Bonnie Chase Down Dale earnhardt heart junior. The gap is across the start finish line. Now is about two seconds from I back to second Bobby Labonte back in the second position. Now you've got Johnny Vincent Falling the third then Tony Stewart and Bill Elliott the shuffles intern one. They all worked their way through turn number one back behind elliot here comes Rusty Wallace he try a surreal him in to tell rusty trying to close in and right behind him. It's Mark Martin follow by Robert Presley and Ricky Rudd but at the front of the pack it continues to be all Dale Earnhardt Jr. he looks as dominant right now as Jeff Gordon did earlier on in the day the Budweiser Chevy off attorney number two headed toward the short shoot here he comes Bobby Labonte behind him by about two point two five seconds earnhardt Jr. la the body Johnny Vincent Tony Stewart Bill Elliott Rusty Wallace Bark Martin as they spill out right away nineteen left to go there will be nineteen laps to go for the front of the Field Dale earnhardt junior and everybody else bobbing the body Johnny Benson Tony Stewart Bill Elliott they or twenty three cars on the lead. John Andretti is the final car on the lead lap Benson his third fourth is Tony Stewart Bill Elliott's pill rusty wallace trying to gain up there. He is six mark. Martin is now seventh Robert Presley Rides eight has elapsed winedown ricky rudd is is up back to night Dave Blaney tenth and that is going to be a story of the day Joe More Dave Laney's he was all the way back about almost somewhere around thirty eight thirty nine earlier in the race. Now he's back up there. They thought he dropped a cylinder early on came in and the team is just about ready to pack everything up they found out it was a a plug wire that come off. They repaired that and like you say he restarted backing thirty eight. That's been soldiering on all day and now he's up here in the top ten with a chance to even advance himself even further. I think another big surprise here Barney has after Jeff Gordon came in that extra Stra stop to get a splash of fuel. He's not picking up a whole lot of ground. It came back out twelve now back in the fourteenth position so Gordon not strong when he needs to be at the end of the race will he had he wasn't gonNA take a chance to running outta gas because if you do and being locked locked up in Winston Cup points battle I key is certainly going to play all your cards in your favor to salvage some kind of a Finnish but you're right. He has not been coming up through the field like we've seen him do all afternoon. He goes back to turn one and the leaders now work their way back to the corner with Horton bottom line to the racetrack. He's in a tussle with Ricky Craven Matt Kenseth and also Steve Part good battle going on for eight. That's a three way battle. Robert Presley leads a free card rap ricky rod and Dave Blaney play. He's come from a long way back. He's got the idea of stealing ricky rudd milk funny. He dies to the bottom of the dodge down to the inside of a couple of Ford's ricky rudd trying to keep as many points as he can't. He battles back trying to hold off Dave Blaney. He's going to be able to one more time so it's freshly rutted waning Presley's riding along the eighth position rookie running nights Dave Blaney the tent spot. They are knows detail coming down to benign. no-one steps Outta line. No one takes a shot at making a move about a car links between each of these machines they go back. Turn one for now Robert Presley therefore hangs onto the eighth physician but he's still has a rear view mirror full of ricky rudd. Now here's rug thinking about a move to the outside off. The corner takes a look to the high line does not like the look so that so he will file a write in Presley's tire tracks right behind them is Dave Blaney and not far back your comes the looming presence of Jimmy Spencer who's got the K. Mart Ford on the move again. He's about eight Carla Tobacco that creoles they exit to thundering off a tournament to run now peaks down to the inside of the Robert Presley machine a lot of horsepower under both of those Hood Presley Chops evolve heading into turn number three Presley Roadway now peaks to the outside of Rudd Sixteen left to go for the leader Dale Earnhardt Jr. as he crosses is line baggage Pocono raceway getting down to the conclusion the Pennsylvania five hundred it is Dale Earnhardt Jr. with an advantage now a little over two seconds he hits turn three and here comes earnhardt. Jr. Just worked around the Latte machine of John. John Andretti here comes bobby the money a couple of seconds back to more seconds back to Tony Stewart who disposed of Johnny Vincent Ford here they come back down to the line. It will be thirteen laps to go with the Pennsylvania five hundred Dale Earnhardt Jr. Looking for a second win of the year Bobby. The body second Tony Stewart Third Johnny Benson Los at third spot couple of laps ago and Bill Elliott sill rides in the front five. Let's go back to that great race between Robert Presley Dave Blaney and Ricky Rudd. It's intern one and this is from eight position on back and now the battle for nine the side by side. Here's rushing up to begin signing day. Blaney Rudd Scar bobbled coming into the corner as a result he loses ground planning on the outside lane. We'll hold rookie rod off at least for now and tries to play catchup once again in the back bumper of the Jasper engine four driven by Robert Presley. It is freshly a car like back to Blaney half a Carling Ricky Rod and here's Jimmy Spencer on the scene Bennett impressive road for Dave Blaney coming back from the earlier problems. Robert Presley has a carling advantages a half carling back to Ricky Rudd. Jimmy Spencer continues to be on the move. He's Farley behind tell you what's his lot of guys up at the top dozen cars here. That should be singled out today that the pit works been good. The driving's driving's been good Dave Blaney certainly one of those Robert Presley and other and Rusty Wallace has worked his way up there rusty rides long six position is at whole pack traffic. We've been talking about goes back to turn one here. They come back into the corner now. That battle Avon back continues to be a good one Robert Freshly alias down low in the corner here comes blatantly up to the high side lady all over Robert Presley coming off turn to can't find room highs. He'll take a shot on the inside your Gums Dave Blaney and the dodge putting a horsepower down and he will pull alongside Robert Presley Eh number two Presley tries to squeeze on Blaney is they're. They're dead. Even this scramble for Eight Position Blaney down to the inside Ricky Rudd wants to follow in his pie attract pick up another spot blaney to the inside of Robert Presley St he has a physician now door-to-door inside Presley on the outside so blending gets by Ricky Rudd having a little more trouble bypassing Robert Presley still stacked up side-by-side for the ninth position at the line. It's got to be Robert Presley holding off Ricky Rudd but Rickie puts the charge on a Kennedy say turn one here come the two Ford's with the battle for the ninth position continuing and turn one run is working down low. He's got Presley inches from his right side and Jimmy Spencer closes and behind those two as well rookie rot now the bottom of the race track in hand. Jimmy Spencer looks like he wants to throw his lot with him but so far hasn't done it. He'll stay top side with Presley. It's Robert Presley up high ricky rudd down well daddy eva nose to nose now rudd drives a little bit deeper into the two he'll lead by about a foot off the corner. They exit turn to just like they left. Turn three last time around route to the inside wrestling to the outside Spitzer dry decide which is his dad partner couldn't be Presley now sweep the outside of Ruddy as has the position say what there's a bunch of cars that pack trying to gain ground Dave Blaney Robert Presley Ricky Rudd Jimmy Spencer and Matt Kenseth all up in battle as they work their way across the line and head back to one ricky rudd trying to get all the points he can't hear this afternoon as one of the contenders Dale Jarrett has had problems day's GonNa Finish way back in about forty first position they go back to one side by side from ninth on back Robert Presley Ricky Rudd to the inside then Jimmy Spencer Mac Pinson Jeff Gordon's heavy duty racing off turn number two. It's Presley on the outside sideline with the advantage ricky rudd try to pick up a dance partner down low. He Will Find One Jeff Gordon so it is Presley then side-by-side Rut down low spencer up high this two Abreast Jeff Gordon at back Kenza to buy to all the back straight right away coming down torture number three one more time. It's Presley than door to door run on the inside Spitzer on the outside just behind them they trade sheet metal tips position away from Jeff Gordon close racing from Ninth Tenth Eleventh Position Aw back while the front runners all laid out here Dale Earnhardt Jr. with one point three seconds of a lead over Bobby Labonte and the final nine laps. Tony Stewart is third Johnny Vincent Fourth Fifth is Bill Elliott as a shuffle often turn turned one because the leaders all work their way off turn number one. Here's Rusty Wallace now on the six position feeling a challenge for Mark Martin Martin right up on his back bumper unable to make a move right now they will keep it knows detailed out the back straight away a bit further back that that battle continues Robert Presley has fought off the attack put five car links on Jimmy Spencer right behind Petra Ricky Rudd than side-by-side Gordon Kesse th up to that still remains a good battle last time cancer was able to take this time board battles out of the inside the on the outside the Chevrolet on the inside Dornan Ricky Craven partner. It's going to be Jeff Ford but they're still hinted the door to door right now. Eight laps remain for the leader and the rest of the Field Dale Earnhardt Jr. Earnhardt. Jr. seems to be dropping off just a little bit and bobby. The body is gaining about a tenth each time around but he's still got a long ways to go. He's one in to ten seconds behind the leader Earnhardt Jr. they go back to turn one Dale Earnhardt Jr. doing exactly it has to do right now. If he's backing out of the throttle at all it may be an attempt to save some fuel but he's still got a good healthy lead on Bobby Labonte then it's a country mile back to Tony Stewart riding in the third spot as he exits turn to it's one point two seconds of differential rental between the leader Earnhardt Jr. Bobby Labonte Lebron is on the charge that duo is pulled away from Tony Stewart by good three seconds but will body run out of time Johnny Benson about the see another challenge in the form of Bill Elliott Benson has the fourth position Elliot now sneaking up with a rear deck valvoline Pontiac as they come back to the line and say the signal for seven laps to go about three car links between Benson and Bill Elliott. That's follow that race to turn one. That's the battle for Fourth Pinson. HAS IT Elliot get once it but still no change for the position. Both of those cars work their way back to the Corner Vincent keeps his car half lane lower in the group Johnny Benson with a good handling Pontiac right now able to run right down on the white lines return number two and he's not far from it interns one one in three. He's got plenty of company right on his back. Bumper is bill Elliott. They've got a long gap before they catch Tony Stewart and a longer get back to rusty wallace. They run single file off to the battle for fourth is a good one down. The shore. Shoot is Elliott now looks to the inside of bits at one more time vincent swings a little bit high chops it down just in front of Elliott their nose detail offer three with a goodly disadvantage to rusty wallace in six. They'll regards Johnny Benson or Bill Elliott Finish. They both had good runs here for today's Johnny Right. Now is riding in fourth place. The laps continue to wind down as bill Elliott goes after Johnny Benson intern one here comes Elliott's Red Dodge to the inside of the red white and Blue Pontiac of Benson but Elliott still not close enough to make the past Benson fights off the challenge here comes Elliott again he's down toward the inside Bill Elliott scratching and clawing right now trying to make the late run a Johnny Benson Benson has got a good strong race car underneath they will tag team it down the back straightaway Benson leading leading Elliott by about half a carling. It'll take it down to the bottom of the racetrack everybody holding their spot off turn to pretty much equal distance from what they were last time Vincent by a half a car link over Bill Elliott seconds back a couple of them back to Rusty Wallace bits and now chops it down one more time just in front of Elliott Elliott battles back off a three meanwhile upfront bobbing the Bonnie is definitely closing in on Dale Earnhardt Jr. just five laps to go. It's mark now at six tenths of a second. They're in turn one. Here's EARNHARDT Jr. Rushing back into the corner still has Bobby Labonte by some seven car lengths. Make it six on the long pond straight in the last three laps. Bobby Labonte has cut the lead in half and he continues to close now as they raise the long pond straightaway right away Dale Earnhardt Jr. try to catch a draft off a couple of slower cars Warburton Stacy Compton and now Bobby Labonte is in contact and really in the leader and the Budweiser machine down the short shoot one more time but Bobby Labonte on the whip whip. It's down to three car links. Come up on the LAP car. Stacy Compton here comes EARNHARDT Jr. three back to Bobby lemani watching those two guys go through the corners as they go into one and over into two and three. They're handling pretty well equal now bobby. Nobody's got some horsepower. That's obvious is chased him down but catching is one thing getting around is another because earnhardt Jr. is not going to go easy. They go back to turn one here comes Bobby Labonte to see what he could do about clearing the race leader Earnhardt Jr. still has him by a car linked to half but Lombardi close even more earnhardt drifts a little bit why off turnover one that allows Bobby Labonte to close right up in one hundred eight his rear spoiler La Body is there he is come from a long ways back but he is caught the leader with some time to work in a turnover to its earnhardt by less than a car linked over bobby low body body the body looking for went number one in two thousand one. He's on the rear deck of Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Looks Down to the inside sweep tie. Her junior covers that position now they both sweep deep down low in a turnover three. It's Karlic disadvantage here comes Dale Earnhardt Jr. leading the way off turn number three back to the start finish line three go bob. Nubani has the time. Does he have the machine Kenny make the move to car link separate the brought to as they had also turn one. He's been quite a charge for Bobby Labonte to catch the race leader. Now some patients now more aggression on the bodies part as again he closes in behind Dale Earnhardt Jr. following him off of turn number one. How much race car has Bobby Labonte? I used up the leader we'll find out on the next three laps in his EARNHARDT and La Body playing me and my shadow down the back straight away. It's GonNa take miracle for anybody else to get into contention here. They come into turn to earnhardt right on the bottom. Carling then hand over uh-huh body. The body is the shadow this time but he's got notions of changing that he'll swing to the outside their door-to-door hit a deter three Bobby Labonte on the outside Dale Earnhardt Jr. on the inside he can't complete the fast but he remains on the high side Dale Junior giving him everything he can do. Hold him off as a lapse wind down they come down to the line with to to go. They are almost in a dead heat. It is Labadi by a half a car link leading that lap as swing back to turn one here comes bobbing the bodies origin Green Pontiac but the red Chevrolet lay of Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Is a stubborn fo- EARNHARDT Jr. fights back to the inside. The body is still there but EARNHARDT Jr. Forges back to the lead white knuckle time at Pocono as they lead on each other Labonte gives up the outside dies low earnhardt swings swigs left here comes the body back on the outside again swapping laid swapping fenders battlefield lead heading for to Bobby Levada takes over on the outside and he's got the lead and he's got the leave cleanly this time off a tournament tube but Dale Earnhardt Jr. is not giving up yet. It's a couple of colleagues now. Lombardi stretches out three-car links lead for Bobby Labonte Dale Earnhardt Jr. now struggles to battle back and the question is answered could Bobby Labonte catching the second question could get around around him he has there's one lap. Go down to the line white flag for bombing the body earnhardt junior has fallen back some eight car links to turn one for the final time today here comes Bobby Lombardi back into the corner opening up by some four-car lakes over Dale Earnhardt Jr. her Lebanese swingset out toward the middle of turn one and set sail in the long bond straight over the final twenty five laps Bobby Labadi set a trap any sprung it with less than three miles to go what body now less than a lap away from victory landed Pocono and he continues to pull away the lead is six Carling's make it seventy turnover to Bobby Labonte off the corner and on his way Bobby Devante in the zone here at Pocono looking for win number one in two thousand one he legs it out six seven car links over Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Bobby Labonte on his way to victory lay is last win came at the lowes motor speedway last fall finally in two thousand one bobby the Bonnie will make it back to victory lane winning the Pennsylvania five hundred by nearly fifteen car links over Dale earnhardt. Jr. Tony Stewart hangs off the third place. Finish fourth has got to be Johnny Benson check that Bill Elliott goes by he'll grab fourth and fifth to Johnny Betson. Let's go pit road. Joe Gives Gozo tell you comebacks but that was great with Bobby Labonte great comeback. I really proud of interstate batteries nor may congratulations M._b._N._A.. We just really appreciate everybody great day for say Lord blesses the Greg Rice and really bobby guts out and we're so happy twenty car guys did a great job to south exactly right home depot. Thanks he's the head to victory. Leave and we'll be going to victory lane to visit with winter. Bob Vila Body will talk to the top finishers shortly. Eh Nascar today continues on him are in radio sponsored by Ford. The official truck of NASCAR is built Ford tough after struggling throughout the first half of this two thousand one season Bob of the body he makes the Victory Lane at happens here at the Pocono raceway today as he takes over the lead with just a couple of laps ago from Dale earnhardt junior and now gets a chance to experience victory lane this year Earnhardt Jr. coming in second Tony Stewart Third Bill Elliott fourth and fifth breath Johnny Benson rest of the top ten rusty Wallace who came in Sixth Mark Martin and Seventh Jeff Gordon Innate Robert Presley night that a great run for Ricky Craven he winds up in the tenth position will be going down to Victory Lane and just a few moments to hear from bobby the body at a very very happy crews there. I'm sure I let's go down the road at check him some of the other drivers who finished in the top five love Tony Stewart the third place finisher sending alongside Tony an outstanding run for you. You were quiet all day but <hes> advancing up from about thirty not the start to finish third spot tightening up that point spent a little more. We needed this run today. <hes> the guys on team did a great job all day and the motor guys. I'll tell you what those guys have been working their tails off trying to get us more horsepower and I missed a shift <hes> twice a they know it stayed with us so glad to see my teammate bobby. Get this win junior a strong all day and I hated see junior get beat there at the end but like that but a good for everybody Joe Gibbs racing and home depot sort came into the choice fourth and points platelet up considerably. We're here with this good third place finish Dale EARNHARDT Jr. getting a big cheers. He climbs out of his car Trek Silas. If we can get a word with him well obviously running out of fuel having the come down the pit road and pushed back down Dale wanted it finally give out on you. Hey ran a gas off at last corner but I was a heck of a race a hobby as a lot of fun as try to play a little dirty because he's a little bit or now was I really wanted to win here because it's real tough track so congratulations bobby <hes> and it's points for us of a restart for you on that final restart and got out and jumped out in front. They're actually able to cruise for awhile until he's able to catch up with one crews and believe me I could maybe a little bit to guard tighter and he called me so I just <hes> we keep learning. We keep getting better everytime that's Dale. earnhardt junior brings it home second. Johnny Benson had a good run unless you can get a word from him yeah we can. Johnny comes on fifth today. That's his third top. I finish of the year. He said he wasn't sure that we check Johnny but nonetheless today great run for you. It was awesome at Valvoline. Pontiac was pretty good. I just <hes> we got in that middle segment. We couldn't hit nothing I mean we're all over the place and got down and James said man. Let's make some big changes pretty big changes got her lap back in <hes> manage to get right up there at the front again and let for a little bit and just <hes> I wasn't strong as atop ivory scarring we ended up with and just <hes> I coulda had forced them. Bill is getting by me. I was doing little block and here I had a run on the run out of gas so it was one of those deals top five will take. You're going to run out again. That's the place to do it. I hear you Johnny Benson Finishes Fifth Year Pocono this afternoon. Bill Eliot had a good Ron. Let's get a word from Bill season-best Fourth Place Finisher Bill Elliott and <hes> good run for you down stretch. You know we start Al Fire and a car really hooked up ran all day long own and you know we just gotTa keep working through this stuff. We hardly it's good. It's the best car tire but we were decent and that's all we gotta keep working through. You know writing all the guys we're really worked hard and you know this. Just Kinda goes to put the effort together. You're just keep working at this. We got the team to do it but we just gotta get battered battery each and every week fifth earlier this season at Daytona fourth place today season-high for Bill Elliott good run for all the top five. We'll be going to victory lane here shortly and visit with Bobby. The body Dale Earnhardt Jr. again finished second. Tony Stewart ran third bill Elliott fourth Johnny Benson Fifth Rusty Wallace posted a good finish. He is six Mark Martin his Seventh Jeff Gordon made a great comeback Jeff gets back up to eighth Robert Presley ninth and Ricky Craven make up the top ten Dan big-time celebration at Victory Lane Jim Phillips is there with Bobby Labonte. You talk about smile dry. That's exactly right two and a half seconds behind twenty laps ago. Did you think you can catch Dale Earnhardt Jr. Now oh he was so good on here so good start you know it was going to be hard to do and he just took off there. Now we got by a couple of cars and we're able to get get up to him and his car is a little bit loose on long runs. It seem like gave up a little bit my car. <hes> didn't seem to give much so <hes> that was <hes>. That's cool about it. You know in our car yesterday was the same way in practice so turn out to be the same way to help that you both got clean air the around a lot of lap traffic that one point when he started really okay on them resource pretty tough and if you don't get clear traffic you saw what happened to twenty eight nine and the twenty and some other guys yeah we were there early you know and congratulations Dale Earnhardt Jr. Right now. You're talking about a lot of confidence in his car all we did you feel that way when he came in here. Actually we started off really good right after right before qualifying. We've got good we qualify good and practices really good so so <hes> we couldn't complain about it. I mean we were we were. I saw light at the end the tunnel for for the first time this year you know I was like man. We might have a good run today so again. The guy's never gave up just kept working on it hard and I say thanks all the guys especially I beat them up all year long down a little bit and these guys get hammered away and bringing stuff the race track and stuff. I got and those guys have been great air by back. The shop <hes> again is interstate batteries Pontiac race team team effort and you can't say enough about understood. Dan You son started his career Tyler. Here's a join the Coca Cola. We both got top fives this week any finished fourth across the street over there. The lehigh valley s pretty cool this it is bobby. Labonte wins the Pennsylvania five hundred we talk all all day today about <hes> m trying to get back to victory lane so surprising that he hadn't done it up to now finally he does gives him his seventeenth career Winston Cup win over back at the Pocono raceway. It's time for Joe and I to select the winner of the ray best break of the race award award five hundred dollars to the motor racing outreach children's ministries from Arabia's breaks in the name of the driver who received the best break in today's event and we've decided on who Dave Blaney he had <hes> a great run going early on than they thought they lost a cylinder found out. It was a plug wire off fell back to about about thirty eighth made his way back up to the top ten in the closing laps. He got shuffled back to a twenty second place finish. It was a long hard day but <hes> he had some good breaks even allowed him to finish this race to finding the problem and getting him back out there salvage finished Rebecca's breaks. The official breaks of NASCAR will award five hundred dollars in the name of Dave Blaney who finished twenty second to the motor racing outreach children's ministries. Let's take the finishing order. It is Bobby Labonte getting his first win of the year Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Finished Second Tony Stewart ran third bill Elliott was fourth Johnny Benson Fifth Rusty Wallace six Martin Finished Seventh Jeff Gordon was eighth Robert Presley ran night ricky craven was tenth in Ricky Rudd Eleventh Jimmy Spencer Twelve Steve Park Thirteenth Matt Kenseth Fourteenth Casey Atwood Finished Fifteenth Sterling Marlin Sixteenth Kenny Schrader finished Seventeenth Jeremy Mayfield Eighteenth Michael Waltrip nineteenth and Kevin Harvick twentieth twenty-first. We'll go to Jason Leffler twenty-second Today Blaney twenty-third Joe Nemechek twenty four to Jerry Naidoo and Mike Wallace finished twenty-fifth twenty-six was Elliott Sadler twenty-seventh John Andretti dreaded twenty eighth was Robby Gordon coming into tonight's Bobby Hamilton thirtieth was Ron Hornets May thirty-first Kyle Petty thirty-second with Stacy Compton 33rd Brett Bodine thirty fourth was Terry Labonte and thirty fifth was Rick Mast Jeff Burton finished thirty six Kurt Busch was thirty seventh haven't Ward Burton Thirty Eighth Buckshot Jones was thirty ninth strickland finished fortieth forty. I was Dale Jarrett Forty Second Kevin Lepage and forty third was Todd Bodine. The gatorade front runner award of Ten Thousand Dollars Goes to Jeff Gordon. He was the eligible driver leading the most laps in today's race and for about the third or fourth time this year he dominated early in the event but in the closing laps wasn't there when it really counted Zimbabwe the Bonnie comes on and picks up the win checking the point standings unofficially after the running of today's race Jeff Gordon will take over the lead for the first time in three weeks by himself in the top spot ricky rudd moves up to the second spot. He's now thirty five points back so he didn't lose a whole lot of ground from where he was coming into this race the big loser obviously Dale Jarrett for it with his forty first place finish jared drops to thirty seven hundred and two points out of the top spot. Tony Stewart hangs onto the fourth position. He's two hundred fifty six points back and fifth is Sterling Marlin where he was coming in today's race now three hundred thirteen eighteen points out of the top position. The official points will be released by Nascar on Monday afternoon Bobby. The Monte led to times today for a total of four laps took the lead for the final time on that one ninety eight lab leader for the racist. We told you Jeff Gordon. At twenty lead changes just today among twelve different drivers forty cars running at the end of the race with twenty two of these on the lap six cautions today for twenty four laps time of the race three hours and forty four minutes next week the NASCAR Winston Cup series moves onto the Indianapolis Motor speedway for the brickyard art four hundred imortant radio will be at the Annapolis Raceway Park for the NASCAR craftsman truck series and Nascar Busch series action on Friday and Saturday night next week the power stroke two hundred by four on Friday evening at seven thirty eastern and the Kroger two hundred Nascar are Busch series race on Saturday evening also at seven thirty eastern time again. We'll have him for you. Here on. 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Hour 4: Hour 4: Greg McElroy and Pat Dooley with a Weekend Preview

"Is. Your money not sure what to do with itself right now at ally, they'll help save for the future with their smart savings tools, bucket your money for the things that matter most analyze you're spending and save automatically all on top of a competitive rate. For All things money you deserve an ally visit A. L. Y. dot com slash savings for more INFO ally do it right? Ally Bank member FDIC But cried passion than Patrick Torri of college. Football Leaves Keer. The. Paul Finebaum. Show our four podcast. We have an hour to go and we've had a lot of fun today a pure free showing earlier fantastic conversation with liberty coach. Many other guests from around the SEC and other places and that we still have a couple more to go greg mcelroy will join US shortly. Let's get some more calls ricky. is in Mississippi, how how are you my friend? What's going on oil? Everything is Fine Paul. How you doing Ricky Ricky Ricky's seems like we've been down this road before. Man I tell you, i. This is this is real. Mike Leach is is. He's he's got he got something you got to got to deal with now man but I I tell you I don't think I I wanted to the county the he checked out. did he ever check in? Contemplating. No way actually went through. I just let's go backward four weeks ago. This guy was the toast of the town. He should have just quit right then and. Because, I haven't seen any evidence that he's He's done coaching since interview. I, I tell you he had something in common with with with Nick Sabin don't. And They both they both have about they had a false positive. Especially after Lsu game right after that it was you know it it was over but. I've been expecting him to win a lot of games this year because I know they had to but. But but you lose I mean no disrespect. Arkansas. But because they have improved but I, just I just don't see in the in proven week the week you know I mean here I don't know if he. I. Don't know if Costello is you know he? He look good the first weekend after that it was just. Downhill but I wonder. Where he? If he's if he's GonNa show, he's a good coach can he adapt and and work with the players that he got? And because. Everybody. You, know some coaches. Want. They want either you work my system or Are you out the door or whatever but a good coach. Where you take advantage of the of the skill sets to his players. And we're with you know and that's what I think with Arkansas. That's what they coaches done. You know and and so I I. I really I think that Mike beaches is. You know he's he's probably on the hot seat for the good right now. how? Ricky I. I don't know if I've ever heard anybody put somebody on the hot seat after four games. There's no improvement I. mean they're not improving at all and getting worse by the week. I mean there last couple of games have not been competitive. Right. You know all. All, the reason why it's been somewhat competitive because the defense has some pride about himself in me they they actually kept him in the game. And you know. The Queue from being blown out, you know so so to speak so I don't know I I. I'm I'm I'm trying to be. Positive about this thing and. At least give them a year. So maybe he gets them some players they. Feel like working system but. I don't know. That's always a good thing to to be so. You know dogmatic about about by certain things because. You have to you have to work with the players you got and. You know Kinda he'll greg running back man and you know he you know. I I. It just seems like he just he just misusing them. I think the big issue he has right now is keeping. That team together because you're already seeing a few signs whether they're critically important. Players are not as irrelevant where you're seeing some defections and he he's he has a very challenging couple of weeks ahead of him. Hey Hey, ricky. It's always good to talk to you. Thank you so much you've. Got My friend Jimmy in Chicago, you're on the Air Jimmy. Ball. That listen to that John Adams Conversation I'll tell you why it's to to think about. Just. When he said Tennessee seems to be just addicted. To pay coaches money endlessly and. I saw today I guess it was an al Dot. COM colliver guarding. Butch Jones. When he got fired in November of. Two thousand seventeen I guess it was with a two or three games left. He got an eight point to build a million dollar buyout. which ends since February of two, thousand and twenty one. And he's paid in monthly installments. And I- tabulated that up it's not really hard. But he's been getting paid by Tennessee two, hundred, ten, thousand dollars change. For it will beef thirty nine months when this buyout. He's making two, hundred, thousand a month. Two hundred, ten, thousand, two, hundred, fifty, six dollars a month to be exact. That is That's good. Good work if you can get it and of course, depending on you know. What months or thirty, one days and other Sir thirty I just tabulated by thirty days comes out to seven thousand dollars a day since November of two, thousand seventeen. And then, and you talked about it two or three times. A, just in the last couple of days. What Phil Fulmer and the Tennessee Administration was thanking. Decide Jeremy PRUITT. This contract extension that goes through to the two, thousand, twenty, six season I believe. and He kinda immediate four, hundred thousand dollar raise which puts him at four point three, million per season. I mean I. A what kind of their reason is involved here I mean just like what you said you know the with. A lot of people out there can't relate to this because they're in business for themselves. But. When you work with your the athletic director at a university, it's like monopoly money. It's not your money. Through. So you just spend. It's like, okay do we want a one point eight? Trillion dollar stimulus two, point two. Let's go to point to why worry about it. I mean, I never understood it and I know a lot of these people and their friends of mine and. One day, they'll tell the truth and the truth is that. They are so subject to the whims and vagaries or the public and what people say, and you know I hate to give this guy credit because he was really a terrible athletic director. But the only guy I think I have ever seen stand up and say I'm not paying the guy dime more than we've offered is Joe Alita at Lsu, and that's how the ended up with at and they could have had Tom Tom Herman, which who knows may have been the biggest disaster of all time but most of these guys. It's one thing to pay you on the front end but. I. Didn't understand. The only reason you pay someone and maybe because I'm in a business that you know if you have an offer that you'll get paid if you don't you don't. But Nobody was trying to hire Jeremy pruitt in August. Yeah and you know we had this period I think three or four years ago where for some reason like Jimmy, sexton all of his clients he was able to negotiate these huge buyouts. Of course, we've been talking about at from the end of last season. You know we'll must champ. And badly, he represents what eleven or twelve SEC coaches so. and to Jimmy's credited I mean he has good relationship with these guys. It's not like you know he's never going to call them again. I mean you you've heard Jimmy we have to run but when when Germany pro got the job after Butch Jones was fired. Jimmy Sexton had had all three finalists in the hunt he had Kevin. Steel. Mill Mel. Gordon. And and obviously Jeremy Pruitt show Mel Tucker. I'm sorry who who was at the time. I don't know if he was at Georgia or he had already gone to. Colorado I. Think he was a juror or Michigan Colorado Michigan State. But. One guy's negotiating with it was ad. He's representing all three people who were finalised. Off to a break we go. Greg mcelroy will join US next. It's a bottom of the hour pat dealy. We hope you stick around just because you can't be in the stadium doesn't mean you can't bring that classic ballpark feeling home with Ballpark buns and Rolls America's favorite Ballpark buns and rolls are always freshly baked, always soft and delicious and never fall apart with Ballpark, buns and rolls. You can enjoy the carefree taste of summer anytime of year. So next time you're picking up essentials for grilling tailgating or a cozy night in at your favorite bompard both roles to the card and make it an occasion to celebrate find them wherever you buying groceries. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. GEICO Presents Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how lonely these no one will even let me into their house I knock knock ignoring me. What else I look in the Mirror Don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly can you believe expect others to having a breakthrough? It's not easy to be a vampire, but with GEICO, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. We welcome you back in Charles's up next in Memphis Hello Charles. How you doing pile again we're doing great. Jail. We was I say Y'all was talking about Tennessee Alabama rivalry. And I was just thinking about you know how we Arkansas had the rivalry with LSU. And you know it's like. A lot of the old essays like. Missouri and take them came in a lot of arrivers kind of washed away like. You Know Arkansas saying know my family we miss playing for the boot. You know like a big deal. Yeah Yeah we miss. I I want to ask you a question of. Do you feel like we should have let cleansing instead of Missouri. Well. It's a good question but at the time. Charles. Clemson was not going to come into the SEC. for a couple reasons number one, they they they were already pretty well established in the ACC South Carolina was. South Carolina was already in. The last go around was about. The footprint of the SEC network was in the process of. Of getting off the ground and they were trying to incorporate more populated areas. So Missouri a very, very big state and obviously Texas Hey. Thank you very much for the call. Appreciate it Greg McCoy joins US says he is prone to do every week. We always enjoy the conversation Greg. Thank you your quarterback. And he's been defended by some of our guests far but fans are angry always they were angry with you. Sometimes, what's the situation with the guarantee? No at Tennessee and Should he stay or are or is there a better choice? Well at this point ball I mean, there's not a whole lot that we've seen from any of the other guys on the roster that would lead you to think that they have a significantly better option. They just don't have guys on the roster that had disappointed with as much frequency as Jerry guarantee no done and the problem is got can't turn the ball over I mean they've been turning the ball over like crazy his last couple of weeks, and as a result, they've lost the last two and most recently at the hands of the team and Kentucky that's forced ten turnovers in the last two weeks. So I think it's a real because you know coming up. To Mississippi State Game You know that Tennessee was telling Darren tunnel all week you can't turn it over but what happened to Mississippi state you cannot turn it over. You know that was of the utmost importance in their preparation and yet he still went out there through an interception. The problem is they put the backup quarterback, JT shrout, Heathrow's next drive. So to pick six interception by the backup, the next thing you know you're scrambling for me massive massive deficit. So yeah, it's a problem I. mean there's no denying it's been a problem for a while jerk air tunnel throughout the course of his career has been like a roller coaster. It's really good moments, but it's Against some quality opponents but against the best teams in college football, he hasn't had his stuff. So people said, well, it should be Mauer. We'll Mauer was really all that much better. He played pretty well against Georgia but had his fair share of ups and downs and other times too so. From what I see right now that's the biggest thing holding Tennessee back ball until they get ironed out, it's going to continue to be a problem for Jerry, prudent a staff. Greg Kirby smart came out today and was. Lauded Tessin Bennett with praise. You expect that, but I am curious because. Everyone thought. They knew who the quarterback was going to be and nobody really saw saw this one coming your assessment of the Georgia situation. Last week was was a difficult scenario. There's no denying that I feel like we've kind of lost track though the fact that sets embedded had his bulldogs with the lead at the thirty minute mark. The problem is down the stretch that they couldn't get a whole lot done. I do think he's limited there's no denying that and he's not the most naturally gifted player. He's also not the most physically gifted guy in regards standing in the pocket being able to throw over defenders. So he does have limitations and unfortunately, for Georgia, at this moment they. Are. The one national title contender that doesn't legitimately have an NFL quarterback right now, and that's that's troubling because if you really look at it in recent years the last three or four, frankly the teams that have had the best quarterback or teams that have had the best situation to quarterback have gone onto inevitably win championships Trevor Lawrence to Shawn. Watson. To a low alongside jalen hurts Trevor Lawrence already referenced him and then last year Joe Borough. So I mean there's there's so many guys and right now the quarterback position is of the utmost importance and. When the best teams in college football or scoring and their quarterback throwing for four hundred in the process, you have to have a guy that can do that too, and unfortunately right now I don't know if that's who Stetson Bennett is however I do think he's the best available option at this point because it's not like anything we saw from JT Daniels as a freshman a couple years back at SC. It's not like anything we saw from him led me to believe that he's going to be some superstar, some transcendent talent that's going to take. The quarterback world by storm in college football. So I think he's the best available right now he's given them at least a spark and a chance when it looked like the other option that the beginning of the season against Arkansas Mathis, he didn't give them that and j Daniels not knowing what's going on with his knee and knowing that he's been up and down himself at the position over the course of his career is definitely have my questions about that spot. It's unfortunate to that rosters ready to roll if they can get that position ironed out. I it's impossible especially in this year of all years to predict a game two months off but assuming the same teens rosters show up. In Atlanta what would be different. You. Know I think they would just not be able to turn the football over I mean Georgia is not one of those teams that can overcome mistakes like they had and still expect to win the game. They just can't. They can't big plays, and if if you look at Alabama, Alabama has gotten big plays against everybody. So they have to do something and it's go back to the drawing board after do whatever it takes to keep the ball in front of them and not let these receivers on islands and win and one on one opportunities because they're going to win if proven time and time again that they can do that and Mack Jones is throwing. The ball and perfect location on some of those downfield throw so it can be done I wanNA. Remind everybody that just a few years back remember Georgia went on the road and week eleven got blown out by Auburn Auburn, the SEC championship game. A couple of weeks later won the game. So it can happen you can make things better and alleviate some of the problems on your roster. But right now playing the way they played last week it's just not going to happen. You can't turn the ball over you can't give up big place. Georgia did both and as a result, they lost convincingly to Alabama team that has a lot more firepower than but this moment. Speaking of Alabama. I mean the numbers are self explanatory and you know suddenly MAG Joneses is being recognized by a lot of people I. Know you've you've been high on him for a while just. Talk for a moment about what he's accomplished so far. He's been fantastic Paul and and obviously has a remarkably great supporting cast around him. And it's amazing you you talked to Texas, a and M. Defensive Coordinator Mike Elko and he's like, Hey, man, our whole planet gets them as we didn't want waddle and we didn't want Devante Smith. We didn't want those guys to beat us. So we put in the hands of John Michie and guess what he beat us so. He's got three guys that they can spread the ball evenly all of which are capable of winning down the field and one on one, and they're all very capable guys with ball in their hand. But what I've been most proud of with Mack Jones is his ability to weather the storm last week emotional game tensions running high I play the game interception I mean some guys would go. In the tank and some guys don't respond well to adversity Max Jones done that not just the biggest game of twenty twenty maybe the biggest game you ever started in the iron bowl last year he had an interception that was turned to the House had two of them actually guy bounced back whether the storm and gave his team a chance to win. So what I've been most proud of. Yes, we know he can throw it. He wouldn't be playing and starting at Alabama if he couldn't throw the ball until the accurately and take advantage of some of the matchup problems that their offense can create but I've been most impressed with is just how he just allows everything the fall off his back he continues to fight. He has a tremendous competitive spirit and he also does a really. Good. Job. Really good job of hanging in there and allowing his guys to work while staring down the barrel of a loaded gun the guy knows is going to get hit doesn't matter he delivers the ball and I just I respect the heck out of guys that can do that and he's doing it as well. If not better than anybody in college football not name Trevor Lawrence Right now. Before you go greg I know the no. The issues have been on defense but LSU playing a critically important game this weekend South Carolina, which is doing better. Probably Without Miles Brennan. Lay it out for us. To knowns freshmen who obviously have great credentials but. That's a different story getting in that game and making a difference. It is and I look who knows what's going to happen with the quarterback spot. A hope miles brandon can go if he can't I know they'll have an opportunity to try to create some create some run offense for and to take the pressure off of whoever does lineup a quarterback. I think that South Carolina's a team that I wouldn't WanNa play right now that's a team that's playing really well, and confidently after last week's performance especially on the defensive side of the football. So I think has the best corner right now in the game and I know Derek, Stanley everyone talks about his performance and who he is and how talented he is. I don't disagree with any that I think he's remarkably good but there's no one playing corner at this moment better than JC horn. JC Horn just registered his first two interceptions last week and had a whale of a day for sixty minutes. Hey, you're following Seth Williams around the field wherever he goes, you're going I would imagine he'll draw the match up with terrorists Marshall this week he's GonNa follow him wherever he goes in the fields that means a tears marshalls probably going to be neutralized just be honest so Whoever the quarterback is for Lsu, they're going to have to find other avenues to move the football because Jaycee Horn is like Darrell reverse right now he's locked down he's an island and if he's able to get into and disrupt the rhythm the way he was able to do it last week against Auburn then it's be tough to feature some of your best player. SO THAT'S A. Big Part Israel McCoy for South Carolina's likely to be back this week as well. So that's a huge coup for the secondary to have another long six foot four weapon at corner, which is a difficult match up to begin with. So I think South Carolina is actually going in probably feeling really good about what they have and honestly Lsu on the defense side of the football. South going GONNA, run it, and they're going to run it and they're going to run it some more. They're going to make them feel it with Kevin, Harris and a physical offensive line. So if LSU's not ready to play their best football game, they could find themselves in another difficult spot against guess, a team that feels very confident about where they're going in this mode of the season. Gregg thanks dropping by. We'll catch you this weekend and we always appreciate it. See Them. Thanks, Paul. Good stuff from Greg mcelroy, we will take a break head back to Florida. To check on the GATORS they're having some issues. and. Then more of your phone calls right here on a Wednesday afternoon. GEICO Presents Monster Counseling Dracula tell me how you're feeling. No one understands how known me these no one will even let me into their house I knock knock but they ignore me. What else I look in the mirror. To don't even see myself anymore if you don't see yourself clearly, can you really expect others to I'm having a breakthrough? Easy to be vampire. But with GEICO, it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. We walk into that Larry is up next in Chattanooga. Hey. Larry Welcome to our good afternoon. Paul, how you doing today we were doing well. I got a couple of questions for Ya at Barcelona. Tell you that much I enjoy your show. Thank you, Probably, not as much as my wife because she she thinks that you don't do anything. Wrong. To this television at home for four hours. So his Phantom well, your wife must be. An extraordinary woman? Fleshy and she made me so. I. Hear You Larry Thank you for me yeah. I will anyway Let me go back a couple of callers back the DAF that was expanding now his knowledge on the on the woes of Tennessee's hiring in and. Giving out. Money. Is He from THE BIG TEN COUNTRY where he he lives in Chicago but he's from Tennessee. Okay. Well I thought. I just thought you know maybe maybe he might WANNA put in application since he seems no Alvin answers. He's an Alabama fan from Naga, the Knoxville area who is in Chicago go figure that one out. I think he might have some problems of his own but I'm evolved for life The first football game I ever went to in Knoxville was When to say was playing lsu is billy cannon was the Oh, my God I'm back for. lsu In. Tennessee. Stop them on one foot land right to win the game. That would have been what fifty, nine I don't remember, but I've read about it. Yeah Well, I'm Fr-. Originally from Athens Tennessee and a friend of our family Jimmy Carter rat was the linebacker one of the players stopped him. Wasn't. Larry. Wasn't that the week after the famous Lean run punt return against Ole Miss. I think. So I'm not sure. Day Years Oh. I, think it was. Fifty eight, fifty, nine, maybe. But Yeah I remember I interviewed Billy Cannon one time and. Had particular interest in that because you know it's the most famous run and Lsu history and the next the next week he lost. For Math and Jim Cartwright was a linebacker, he and another boy from from down that far to see, were able to stop him on the one foot line but. I've been involved for laugh since that day. And I can understand you know I don't know. I'm not being critical he. Last week it South Carolina they couldn't do anything. Right? In this week instead of say. Yeah you know that's just the nature of the business bans sees on the negativity and I'm the host and I. Usually, just go along with the four. Hey, thank you very much and you take care of yourself. Appreciate that. Let me welcome in our gas pad daily. Just off his own show and the longtime columnist down at the Gainesville Sun pat good to have you back and. It's scary reading the news out of GAINESVILLE. What's it like to write about and talk about it right now? Good afternoon. Yeah. Paul good talking to you. It feels walk right now you know. Have a team three week let a game and and we don't even know if that, third. Week. There's going to be a game they. They're not gonNA practice for two weeks or not open to still be back up on Monday and we don't even know I asked Dan. Mullen point blank on the on the SEC conference call today. You know? Dan. If the say you can't open the facility on Monday What what day would you have to be practicing by? To be able to play a game and he he kinda handed off around the answer and so we'll figure it out but I mean I don't I mean we don't know they're going to be able to get back to work on Monday. So I and I think it's a real bad thing for this team. In terms of what they need, they need to be out playing football and tackling people and and kind of re re discovering how to tackle and and play defense because obviously they haven't played very much defense so far. For those who have not been keeping up and I know, pat, some of this is available and some of it i. mean I know you could. You probably know more than what's been released but how would you characterize in terms of numbers the severity of the outbreak? Well, it's it's been pretty bad. I mean again, this was a program that had done things the right way they had one. And it was one and then I was one and then it was one that always spend one day. Well, actually it was. You know I was doing my podcast and also night saw Florida's center relief that thick. On My WHOA WHOA WHOA. WHOA. So that meant five people had tested positive and you knew that meant with contact tracing more people are involved and then it just kept going up into the. I think it's thirty one now They'll think about that not only how many people have. That's a positive about how many people have been exposed. But again, this is something where a couple of players had. They thought they just had allergies and live in Florida you all have everybody has allergies and and the day. And I get where you would think maybe that was what it was be still needed to go check in and then you get on a bus and you get on a plane and you go. Want. One of the players had a roommate. there was an elevator that was broken. so as. Result they. Everybody was on elevator and. Then you get on another plane, I mean. So it was a concept. exposure to the virus and the viruses kept going from one to another. And Certainly, a bad situation nobody seems to be. Seriously held, there are some people that are having some. Symptoms some people are as symptomatic and of course. The head football coach among those who who, who, got the the virus. So. The game. If I, remember correctly, next week was supposed to be a bye week that's now changed. And it's a critical. It's critically important week because there are no bye weeks left my correct. Right. Yeah and that's the thing the Georgia and Florida or both be biweekly both things will play at least that's what scheduled for. I think it's a bigger deal for Florida just because. Look gone three weeks between gangs I mean that that doesn't happen in a college football season but there's a lot of things that don't happen in accomplished football season that we're seeing for the first time Georgia did obviously have the game. Saturday, and then they'll have a bye week and then they'll play Kentucky next week so. It's a little bit of an edge for them and going into that game. But right now I mean we we don't know for sure the Florida Missouri or let's about to ever second pad and and I. Know We Mondays Long. Way. Off. Five days but. You're trying to read the tea leaves based on what you said a minute ago why? What makes you think that there may not be a game next week Well. I. Mean. They're going to have to have practices thing Erica play games. Without practice and they in terms of impact dam only. So they hit a guy tip positive today. That's. Absolutely with yet they? came. Back today. So you know that another player that. For them for them to get back on the practice field and have this game, obviously, there's going to be a lot of testing but. We're doing the math wouldn't wouldn't a normal time period the up Well for some players that will be for some maybe at won't. Okay. That's the thing. The guys who tested positive. When they said they, for example, they tested positive on Sunday, but they can create the back of to Friday the right players. so that they would probably be fine but guys who tested positive further along the line I I mean look I think if everything goes. Okay. Everything's GonNa be fine. They're gonNA open up Monday and that's the plant opened back up Monday. Let's go get to practice. Go play Missouri on Saturday here in the swamp they'll have to travel Florida The. One thing they don't have to deal with now is travel other than the Georgia game, which is not you know to buck trip they don't have to deal with very much they play. I, think they have. A long stretch, forty, three, it was forty three days I think after the tech thing I'm getting they worked that to leave the state of Florida which was a good thing but When you travel, that's when you when you're going to have problems. So look I'm not saying that games can be played. My God is that it will be but things are going to have to go right if things go wrong or south in any way. Yeah you can have a situation. Don't forget. You have to have fifty three players. You have to have seven offensive lineman. To have a certain number of defensive lineman certain number you have to have the SEC protocols just to be able to play the game and If you were down to fifty four guys, you might say you. You're testing positive. Because we we we don't really WANNA play this game with with. The Thirty Eight scholarship players you know that that we think place I mean a lot going into this right now, but I I think Florida's look they need to play a football game so badly right now. On Saturday next Saturday. 'CAUSE when you go three weeks and you haven't played any defense, all year your it's not like you're GonNa all of sudden scheme it up. I. Don't believe in in that. This is a todd Grantham I'm GONNA scheme it up and our defense we're going to be great. They are tackling people they aren't used to. The they you know they're one of the teams that has struggled with. not having spring not having tackling may be afraid to tackle in practice because then you you had in six injured players, the nine that I've Kobe you know now you're down fifteen guys that may be part of your too deep. So You know I did team really needs to play a game up. Well let's hope we'll touch back next week touch back with your next week. Pat. Thank you be safe. Appreciate your update. We are officially out of time for this program we appreciate all of you for being a part of it Some really interesting guests today will See You right here tomorrow. Thank you for listening to the Paul Finebaum Show podcast the Paul Finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern.

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790 -  Big Farm in the Sky Season 2 Recap

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790 - Big Farm in the Sky Season 2 Recap

"<music> ladies and gentlemen boys and girls infringe beyond the binary each ten for the podcast who's wearing in a sweatshirt but he's not not planning on sweating. You know I'm going to do some easy effortless exertion it to put to sleep because he said well don't strain yourself scoots. That's what I hear the listeners say and it's it's more of a foot. It's a focus it's a focus I put a lot of work into these shows would <hes> and that <hes> you know not sweating or you know am perspiring or just a shining you you just shine in your left Dreamland because his San for sleep with me the podcast that puts you to sleep in if your regular listener if your new don't worry about it but if you're a regular listener these are literally the ways as we keep the show a going so if you if you don't pay attention right now police check it out when you go wake up tomorrow in your hand hits the Fridge say Love Sleep with me. 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It could be a dance number. Maybe I don't know taps <hes> if he just tap dance in maybe Ricky Martin could come in so nice to see Ricky on and on T._v.. Last year I really do I really did enjoyed vinegary friend at our of the show who produced that show which again can't mansion and this great great show though <hes> about a verse act she so we're was a get os just in the middle of the superfluous tangent essentially superfluous. Is that what I said we again. We'd have to come up. That's why rely on the singers to come up with something. Excuse you can't do every sewing based on. It's not unusual but you can't. What do you mean candidate say? I'm essentially legally super. Flawless is what that means. Is You know I could you know I can't do it it just as you you're seeing should net do it. You're suggesting a don't okay well. If you knew I would say oh. I'm going to go off topic there you go. 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In AH MARKET INGENUITY IN VALE DO to help us keep the show free for everybody really really in in our patrons so if your new though <hes> oh the businesses important if your new just regular listeners <hes> is then then there's the intro now were a few minutes into the intro the intros around twelve to fourteen to eleven to thirteen four seventeen to eighteen sixteen fifteen minutes or so and it's a big part of the podcast because I believe if you need a nice wind down. Is You get ready for bed in paradoxically some people fall asleep during the wind down the podcast so it's supposed to ease you into bed time or something to listen to as you get ready for bed or as you drift off is so it's also where I can try to explain the podcast new listeners in a way that regular listeners appreciate because they never always there's always knew tangents for me to go on EC his even once about being superfluous or about the doll I forgot what the first tangent was thinking about. Why do the white is my dog waking so choosy? I mean I don't understand. I know there's a book about him because he thinks Roman Mars couple years ago interviewed as author of the book so I have to look that up I mean that's just about that about animal pet behavior. Maybe a good of imagine the whole thing who was a tie. Oh so newest excuse me when offense topic there are changing so business in there's intro in for a lot of people when they first us in my voice may tone throws them off my something you you see. This is lake humor but it's not funny but it's kind of like being funny so yeah it's some that throws new people off <hes> in other thing that can throw new people off his intro because you see what you're going to get to the bedtime story in its I'd say eventually I will get a lot of people might be asleep time to get there but still puts them to sleep somehow so some listeners that wanted to skip to the story they they know and now you do to you just skip ahead to eighteen to twenty minutes into that's fine doesn't bother me just build this show kind of in a way that I've learned over time <hes> it can help to most people or it can be re re purposed just like I said who say skinhead after twenty minutes in the guru also hit the story part <hes> so it's intro then tonight will be the recap of our latest series so you look back <hes>. Maybe a look forward. I'm not sure our series. He's big firm in the Sky P._i.. Season two Phantom Minnow season right say okay this worked I learned to this or this is what went <hes> so we'll do that is in there some donkeys at the end of the show. There's some business sweeny intro in the show. Just keep a free for everybody and so there's a structure show couple of their things you might you probably already figured this out because so darn intelligent <hes> you don't need to listen to me you can and Kinda listen. You could barely listen. You can be just kind of humor me. <hes> we talk about this every once in a while. I think it's really it might even be away to interact with the podcast you uh-huh okay okay scoops Kobe. Well Okay what we say about <hes> Enrica inglesias dreamy so I could dream Ricky Ricky Ricky Martin Dreamy uh-huh your dog going to find a spot to go and okay uh-huh. We'll do the walking around and sniffing around part uh-huh they could see the end because you're my dog just kind of like a say. Wow you really Scou- now to spot to go. I Ah always been baffled by that. I forget what it was honestly at the top of the show that he said <hes> but it is something. I always say we wake <hes>. I guess it's something I'd like to learn more about but it sounds like too much I see well blake to learn more about it but instead. I'll just be like it'd be baffled. I say hm because you can do it. You should go. She's a healthy dog. She goes three times a day in. It's an okay enough about that. So that's a structure show. You don't need to listen to me. There's also no pressure to fall asleep which can be strange with the sleep podcast and that is another thing they could throw new people off. It's like you're supposed to put me to sleep right away. What are you talking about NEC well? That's Kinda part of the message of this show where there was going to be a bedtime story yeah eventually there'd be a bedtime story La- get there. 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The reason shows over an hour just over an hour. Is You give plenty of time. <hes> no pressure to fall asleep here to keep you company because they know there's listen to listeners out there who can't fall asleep in a it's important for me it to be there to be your boyfriend your bore Bayer Bore Kaz. Does your job your best st or if your new in your in this case in Apple Akin to bore you or to keep you company or to talk as you drift off into dreamland so you think that's about it about this. Show is here to help. It doesn't work for everybody. Unfortunately I honestly wish it. Did it like that. It puts you to sleep too so it does take a few tries in do really really really appreciate you checking the show out if your new so give it a few try see if it works. There's no pressure and the rest of you to come back. <hes> really really appreciated <hes>. It's my honor to try to help <hes> so you can get to rest you deserve it wants to be out. There in the world rested in say okay. 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We you're at the end of the intro anyway so do you did a good job. Thanks she was just going to say work very hard. I you earn strive and we really want to help you falsely thanks. Patrick coming by in here's a couple of ways. We keep your super slide show Yohan. Everybody is wondering if a couple updates for you. The show is cross to some big milestones <hes> Lake. It's about two when I'm recording this. We're getting close to eight hundred episodes a few months ago. We crossed one hundred million downloads and that was a free to everybody. You know that's a kind of thing I've been talking about lately in. That's because those so you is that if taken action you those you that our patrons <hes> in particular in maybe you're listening to say ham patron. This is cool in if you're not a patron you know maybe you supported the show some other ways. 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You like a really do easy analogy like a community garden like anyone could come to this podcast income and take with you know for in this case sleepy Steph they need a but the ability to to keep the community garden open to have the supplies in the Labor that goes into maintaining it this because you patrons into you people that support dispensers <hes> and there's nothing wrong with choosing napping being in a position to do so but does you that to take action. It is something worthy of celebrating in a hope. If you're listening to this you could feel really good about it and you see why was a Patriot for a little while but now I can't you are a huge huge part of this in if you did some to freely spread the word about the show you're part of this to you really should feel good to think about that. It's over one hundred million times the podcast describe in listen to for free when someone needed. It's now if you're new or you you sit well. I'm sure we'll just like trying to get discussed. The people that say <hes> I do get a lot of value out of the show. I am rebellious <hes> in dupay my cable company all this money. What am I doing if you if any of that resonates issue or if you want to become a patron you could go to sleep in me bad gastein campsites patriot? I guess that's what I'm saying. If anything resonates with you think it's it thought ahead something else <hes> Oh if you have supported the sponsors or sort of the show by spreading the word you will get a chance to participate in this one thing. We're doing don't worry just to listen to sleepy supporters zone coming up but I wanted to thank you. Thank you so much for helping us re re. She's milestones it really lake it could not have done it without all of you supporting running the show in listening and sleeping to it. Thank you or eight everybody scoots here. We're going to be doing a nice easy recap of her second season of big farm in the Sky P._i.. And these are kind of behind the scenes episodes <hes> particularly good to sleep to from what I've heard where I talk about Canada concept around the show in making it and decisions I made the and all of those things <hes> in maybe a little bit later on maybe a teaser kind of conceptually where we're at for the next series coming up and <hes> so if you've listened maybe they'll give you some insight into the podcasts maybe nat but it definitely have always found these to be good in. If anybody's <hes> really paying attention now for wind questions come up <hes> if you see listeners asking questions online you could put him point him to this episode. You could usually share her time. Samson your podcast APP to say Oh this is worse. Gucci answered that question because it's always helpful but let's see so the chew things are thinking about starting out with one was like Antonio banderas which maybe I'll get you in a few minutes. 'CAUSE I like man. It's been twelve episodes is so here's a couple things off the top and had no idea when a started recording big firm in the Sky P._i.. EPISODE ASSUME SUMA LIKE IN <hes> less couple months or twenty eighteen. Is that what you twenty nineteen now in a No. I lost some time because they know like the goal <hes> if you've listened he's episodes is to have like a six week of lead time minimum between recording it episode and release that episode industries a life stuff in different travels <hes> seek. We've definitely fell off that with the scripted episodes but I think last year we were on that six-week thing I think sometime in the January February and March we lost a week each one of those months in April a took a week off recording so right now. I'm not sure sure what might lead time is gonNA try stand schedule because sometimes I'll finish a series in trying to give myself like we've talked about this too but he like you. Maybe your new may be having heard right so let's recap or maybe you're just chilling out right but usually like I write these episodes on a two week schedule imperfect world to be ten days with that really never worked out because presumably <hes> other than with this game of thrones season and experiment we did with the good place. A certain type of episode comes out every ten days because it goes a Tuesday style episode written episode than a T._V.. Recap episode. That's a normal normal rhythm of this show. We've strayed from that rhythm for the good place but then I went back to the ten day or every cert- episode with the good place and then we definitely strayed from it for for game drones because it's just like like <hes> it just had to stay on task because those episodes are longer. They're actually more popular. There's some people just come in and listen to the game of thrones content and they're just very like even though it's a lot more challenging it just to show breeze in a certain way organically it's like <hes> for I don't know how I got off. Topic is written episodes but so it just as insight say like a four-game drones. Two episodes are on Sunday in H._B._O.. Understandably so give out any <hes> preview so out watch episode at six PM than immediately watch it should again it depends so usually from six to midnight or six to ten or eleven P._M.. <hes> a due to two or three re like two or three total watches taking notes the game drones episode and then in the morning do a rewatch and research. Were like Yasuda so that's you so that's just why game is drones. Ones come come out every week. So what was my point. Oh so this next series already working on it. <hes> in ideal recorded next week <hes> which would be about two weeks from the last recording of game of a like a written episode. This is more of a recap episode but I believe that <hes> however many weeks went by Lake pry four five months since asserted the series in guests part of the reason I'm surprised is <hes> it goes like go. Both close goes by extremely slowly and extremely fast <hes> so feels like it flew by mail we've made twelve episodes and that was kind of my goal like moist testing like how many episodes in sometimes a series will tell me. Oh I think we're only I think we're good for ten episodes <hes> sometimes they calendar will tell me because I'm like okay how much until the holidays are coming up because we have <hes> holiday series so it's like okay. Win is Thanksgiving so that's another thing that can dictate how many episodes are or just like runs out of gas. I mean the nice thing about running out of gas in doing twelve episodes is <hes> you really good to see what happens after the car runs out of gas <hes> REC- okay so this season was definitely a lesson in <hes> is it always is of like <hes> what we're of <hes> working with two characters in in a story the working together as opposed to pushing them around which is less than I learn every single time in like I couldn't even tell you right now. I have all the notebooks leave until like about notebooks. Maybe maybe here because he said I don't even know what twelve episodes of were I mean they know the last few because like right now like <hes> just mix to episode ten and I just recorded episode twelve move in episode nine probably came out in the free feed. I think episode ten prize about to come out in the patron feed or maybe just did so. That's like a little bit run stuff. Let's see so Antonio Banderas. This came up a lot on in different social network. Whatever you call them like places people ask me questions right and ally questions are how did you get wha-what's Antonio banderas doing on the show and how did you get him which he really like <hes> in just strangely enough this morning <hes> I saw super <hes> so so he's working on new project so like I don't want to spoil any of that but <hes> it's awesome super cute pictures of him <hes> with the one favorite directors who did so? How did he wendy? I commanded shows. I have no idea I want to say it was Kip Esso's <hes> in the only reason I say that is because they can hear him saying so so season two I can hear him saying hi Ya and even with these are sometimes my memories like muddled but in this case couldn't belie said wooded. Did you do a high yacht type sound <hes> so I don't know if any that strew I'm not my own historian <hes> but I would presume that it was like years ago in Howdy I appear I mean I don't know I mean to be honestly they lick this show. Oh is pastiche a- rightward is is that even a word but I do like to show to be am malformation said is word of like old school stuff in new school stuff and pushing being the pushing out against those sides of the balloon or whatever and there's also this idea that there's so there's intro the show then there's an intro the series which maybe I could talk about a little bit too who I don't know if I flushed out a lot but then there's this transition from me sitting up the series chew whoever whoever is narrating the series or whoever and whether that's a daily whatever over the narration situation dialogue situation is and there's always a transition is also like because it because of the range within the vocals of the spied cast over the years it's changed. The rain has kind of <hes>. I I don't know I it's a WanNa give it a nice transition space. I guess as main thing to help you transition from me scoots saying hey this is what are episodically. Luckily modular series is about to the episodes starting in against you like we don't have like an introduction we did. We used to have the longtime ago within the first year or two of the podcast we had the theme music for the show and then we had the theme music for the series and p people didn't like that <hes> overtime some people but not the majority of people in then we tried transitional transitional music <hes> that was like a continuation of the original theme podcasts at post he did and people didn't like that because he was there's no there is music and then there's fifteen minutes no music so just through through people off <hes> so I don't know if these are choral area though but at some point he said okay. It just needs something transition. This is me trying to explore. Were really happened. I don't know if I don't think this was one plus. One plus one equals three but at some point like I got an to Antonio Banderas into studio and I said why not like let's see how this goes <hes> and you might say screw touted Dan happen in say. I'll tell you a short once. Upon a time there was a lovely actor named Antonio Banderas <hes> possibly he was driving across the island of Alameda and he was headed to work circuit <hes> the old Alameda Naval Air Station and he was on a street that I lived on a and <hes> he had some vehicle. This is again could be fiction fiction but vehicle you know maybe aghast when he was a tire. Maybe it was just his gut said <hes>. Maybe you know maybe the car maybe he has his synchronicity with his goodness car in the next thing you know I look at the window and I see the head <hes> that I don't know what you call it. ponytail slicked back here that would like kind is handsome face. I Dunno devastating John Line. He said <HES> HE I. I just said what's due to the dudes. Walk Down my driveway. <hes> in looking around like <hes> he needs some help I better <hes> lightly cover myself and my covers because I don't want to get involved in some of the said to me well. Maybe he just needs to lake directions in <hes> you could send him on his way without having to have a conversation or anything and then they said <hes> shoes we can help you a and next thing you know any he still opened with my friend. <hes> of course ray got involved. That's out happen unreal but I did make initial bank Antonio contact. I said Hey can I help you. Sir <hes> what's up well. He told me situation as for some more water then ray showed up and they made friends ray told him but broadcast <hes> a Saddam just about to record the podcast <hes> oh which would be disbelieving and at this was back in a day. Oh what's the podcast index willing to to him and I said why don't you pop in a studio. I could get a little role for you and the rest is written in history. You know his love of Board Games. His creaky elbows is Kalicki. Lakes roaches allowed chewing his inability to stitz. It's completely still he's to the way his knees in his ankles maker clicking noise at some points his ability to Nah consistently win Board Board Games against me which pleases me but he's like gives me enough competition in conversation and make fun his generosity with time in fact he's willing to drive here even though Pry Lake <hes> even though he I think he likes it except for the twelve to eighteen hours spent his vehicle green one hundred percent green vehicle of course and so that's kind of maybe how it happened it fits the the style in nature of the show so it works <hes> so like key can keep coming back up by another board game. If you don't like this one a said elevate also make jokes like with him. I say I'm going to <hes> invent silent ice and <hes> a glut noiseless cool ass <hes> Straw that you can do like drink drink through without paying sound <hes> skinny disclosure nationals when you drink. Maybe that's where the noises coming. We've done experiments. You should see it. <hes> I mean that doesn't get on the podcast but I see okay. Let me go get recording equipment while you drink water and they see let's go in and see what like a scientist says to say about the. Fits perfectly normal those the sounds of devastatingly handsome man drinking water in a see. What about the rest of us in the Dash? I'm kidding. That's like a eighty who said well. It's too loud doc <hes> so anyway those debts the story of how lay in then it gets the next question would be why why wouldn't have him on rate what Lake <hes> I mean it is a little bit embarrassing for me because I do come across a little brutish <hes> in how you know take him for granted but it's the playfulness of our relationship really I think it makes him you know when I am unappreciative in some no I appreciate him in his time <hes> <hes> but also just the mechanics of asleep. I can't have you paying it. See Okay. Wh What about this Lee. Can you just drink your water. When I like a l whistle or Klatt my hands <hes> <hes> when I'm taking a break and then you can drink water? Just don't drink at any other time also learned quickly like okay. Don't drink water towards the end of the recording. You can drink water because it'll be done in case you. Oh you have to naturally do things in again. A lot of people that don't record podcasts believe this is all like they say a really make and they say you have for sleep podcast is it can't be my parents didn't believe it <hes> and they've come. I just saved me twice and I said <hes> is not like honestly. It's easiest say okay the first time they stayed with me. They said okay you like. I don't know what we're going to do because they have to record in and what I guess just like Antonio. I guess I was like <hes> they're different in there to people a said. What if you just take a nap like don't do like if someone told me to clock to take a nap I would say goose sounds great or relying bed and taken apper read much like children? They said well we're not tired or we don't feel like reading. We'll just say okay well if my experience was Antonio's taught me everything this is soon they say okay well <hes> so really. Would you listen to podcasts. It's net when I'm talking Antonio. It's like goes for other guests as well. He still capable. Usually people give you this smiling. Look like you're joking or you're being to <hes> retentive <hes> no no this is not a joke. It's podcast so people sleep. I can't have a ping or throat clearing or whatever that game is re pop the bubbles herbals lake with a multicolor bubble psych the sound effects for that or people reading out like a crossword Jiang's that they say you know whatever like <hes> like to Crossword Hanes yes <hes> those are no goes or you know pencilling and then <hes> oh that's not a foul can have that. I'm getting mostly but so they I know I don't know if I've over explained to evade the CIA opportunity over explain the whole way Antonio Bandera saying it but I mean I guess for me. Allies ends it goes through. Does it fit the sensibility of the show. Does it serve a purpose and does it add something and is a beautiful like like get some generalized way. I see okay. That's yes to all of those in that situation <hes> so I mean it really says doesn't like again. The podcast is <hes> is just made by human being susie. Okay way lows Antonio that part. I say okay that's why we worked so hard to keep the variety in the show in to try to keep a free so you also have things to choose shoes from <hes> so you don't have to like Antonio being there but it just like <hes> it don't actually get like all the things like <hes> almost everything in the show has <hes> you know people with still have about strong thoughts about it even like particularly like everybody but regular listeners in Antonio's one has more inquisitive. I mean have got a couple of strong thoughts about it and what I do is they just mailed them autographed pitcher of <hes> of Koa. No no I'm kidding. You don't don't imagine they do it was going to say `Antonio but a male male them. Salvage stamped envelope inside of self addressed not a self address so I make a selfish was stamped envelope for them. Put It in an envelope address to the band errors headshots P._O.. Box You know whatever whatever case it's a little bit about in tonal also it don't get gotten. Maybe I've talked about this. Maybe a have lake. <hes> one aspect of the show of these series is <hes> is become episodically modular in less and less serialized <hes> some of them had a serial is through like <hes> well that's impacted to creative side but it over the years if really enjoyed the tap heaviness of the recap of for anybody that never listened to another episode sewed before and I don't know when that started pry pretty early on and just like Antonio that serves a purpose of reducing anxiety because it's one thing I learned in as we got rid of the serialized stuff you're kind of <hes> downplayed to Syria -ality in up late episodically modular aspect which I'll explain that vocabulary just in case <hes> but <hes> is we did that and I say okay because I would cost why can't inches suicide episode four and I totally understand so that's how that came about and then yeah me might these long winded if I've eight-minute recaps of the show where things stand <hes> Enron I do find that amusing because it's kind of ridiculous. It's only would be something you would only kind of do in asleep podcast so it's not like inside joke. It's just kind of like wonderful ridiculousness. I don't know how else like that's what making a show that it's like okay. This is ridiculous in necessary and awesome that I could recap in almost like every time we make an episode recap. <hes> the interior I two seasons percents <hes> again in a few minutes in to set up the characters again and again I duNNo. It just seems like it also seems like something that someone that doesn't depatch guest doesn't work for it would further clarify firefighters had <hes> who usually they don't make it that far anyway so yes so those are have become a big part of the show. I mean for awhile now because they say okay. If your new you WanNa know what the series is about right if he sleep the road you like. Let's just say your regular listener before sleep during the Intros or your patron and you fall asleep during the intros you would know what a series is about <hes> but <hes> one night you. Can't you know it's a little bit harder. Sleep in. You'RE GONNA listen to the series. I WANNA make sure it's a safe place right. That's I guess it's a part of building a safe place or you know I it's part of the again sensibility disability to podcast. If it's the style the podcast in it's just goofy see okay. I'm going to explain what big than I have to explain what the big farm is. <hes> then you get explain why Simon could come back to Earth <hes> so you have to explain what to concede to. This series is <hes> who Simon is where sue okay then that takes a little while then why can Simon go back to earth into those things soon g._e._d.. Kay He and all that and then you some of it can be repetitive in some of it can be new in some of it. I said today forget to mention this. <hes> also wanting that it is interesting talking about making asleep podcast both maybe from the audience side and from the <hes> creator side is continuity like we have a vague familiarity his continuity. I'd say I always GonNa explain what let me explain what all these words mean just in cases like the you know. We've got plenty of time here. Rating like settle in only took in there okay so <hes> oh as is okay so cereal episodic and modular so cereal is like a story told over a number of in my were. This is just my words over a number of episodes that tells the story in and sleeping. It's never been critical for you to listen all episodes in order <hes> but they're all sequentially related in kind of an essential polite running them so lady which beard was pretty much cereal like <hes> <hes> you could listen a episodes in any order but it into the plot was very difficult to grasp anyway <hes> in season one of nuns in space both seasons against us os or if there was three seasons get best they can never remember but <hes> those real serious like so he said episode one episode to came after it episode three so episodic for the most part means each episode can stand alone big farm and skype season. One was an example that each case was <hes> more or less unrelated to the overall lives of our characters Incaviglia. Listen to any order order in modular N. even know if that's like a word with production of entertainment I was thinking about it as modular classrooms and modular furniture what it means for me it means episode you could kind of move them around or listen into them. In any order in you'd still have understanding so even if who's episodic an cereal you could still have general understanding of the entire series listening to it in any particular order which again is just a big part of asleep podcast <hes> versus any 'cause you mean like literally I can see statistically like here's an interesting thing like about the statistics to the show so a C.. This loses podcast statistics are kind of becoming more and more nuanced but for the most birthday of state very much the same over the just some of the methodology and stuff has changed into them. We've got more a little bit more granular info before Mozart's podcast statistics follow like a number of downloads and episode gets in you. Keep doing it because it's going to how will so. That's GonNa how the distribution is covered by bandwidth hand was like <hes> but anyway so for the most far almost all of our episodes other than like the over the years the good place in game drones get the same amount download episodes roads or an star trek was opposite <hes> like a guy to get the same number of downloads and I. I don't know I'm not gonNA give out or download number so let's just say that episode had we'll just you small numbers or episodes cricketing ten an download so ten people were listening. Maybe one episode eleven people would listen one. Maybe when episode nine would listen almost all episodes no matter what they fall in a pretty close range other than Ooh what I say good place game of thrones those would get like instead of ten eleven twelve. It'd be getting like fourteen fifteen. Maybe game drawn sixteen had a percentage. Maybe only and then star Trek was getting <hes> like a significant percentage of less not a ton lesson. I still understand exactly what that was <hes>. It's just some sort of a I mean it doesn't mean I'm not GonNa do star Trek. The next generation was aware that it was physically undeniable. You See oh all of says are like twenty percent less <hes> in Nice way. I'd say yeah those are twenty percent less good place to be twenty percent more maybe fifteen percent more and into game of thrones drones Obelix thirty thirty five percent more. I don't know if that's sure right now. That's historically even though game good places in recent history. 'em was my point though <hes> <hes> oh but also our show. I don't know if this is exactly what long tail is with over episodes in the feeder. Being downloaded ray in the newest episodes are getting the most downloads in as a show grow. WHO's the newer episodes will get more downloads coach overall than episodes proceeding them but even in the middle of our back catalogue in early steps odes usually the first few episodes in the feed like so the oldest ones would get a lot of downloads and then all the newer ones ones but even the middle ones feeds still get thousands of down? What's a month I think actually I don't think I think the last day it was like <hes> so ages? Always keep that stuff in mind. I guess that's my point is said like people could be capable. People are jumping around also which weird in this was when the so apple started give us more granular stance and how episodes are consumed in this was something I think this has been available for for. Maybe a year eighteen months in advocacy your information private so this is totally detached from USA person it's just generalized Info but it can also see on every episode. What percentage of episode is consumed in Suva me with this means is like <hes> how much of it is re consumed so I can look at my apple statistics and like see the average for an hour and now <hes> dishes just an average but <hes> I think on average in episode of sleeping me as can consumed by an average listener an apple podcasts consumes one hundred thirty percent of a sleep episode and our current ones <hes> in so with that means if hours if <hes> what is one hundred thirty percent with thirty percent <hes> Sirri so if a show is one hundred minutes long <hes> is that right if it shows an hour long they're consuming an hour plus thirty percent <hes> So and our and twenty or an hour and eighteen minutes <hes> so the episodes are getting religion to can't necessarily really really tell with great clarity what par semi assumed the Intros in the stories are getting re consumed now? Here's what's even more interesting is during the time <hes> Lake <hes>. There's like <hes> <hes> so we don't really take anytime offer shows what will do all intro episodes <hes> for the big holidays here in the U._S.. Eh just because that way I can take like a week or two off over the year because they'll build up like <hes>. Whatever that's equivalent of like six episodes I think like we run six or five? Maybe guess we run five all intro episodes over the year or so about <hes> but around those times <hes> you could see that episodes in front of them in behind them they consumed even more so go up like <hes> if the regular was like one hundred twenty five percent consumption of bump up to one hundred forty percent consumption he end that's all regular listeners <hes> that kind of the backbone of show and then if the show spikes in popularity or something those numbers go down so for average is like one twenty five one thirty if all soon we get an inflection who listeners will drop down because some people have taken out the show. They're like Oh. I don't like this <hes> <hes> so that's an and then maybe licking natural question. I think there's another company we have for statistics and I don't know exactly a cyclic over his head. It's like <hes> were just about to cross lick so every month. This isn't like how many downloads we gave or how many U._S._O.. Download we per episode Eh but this is like the number of people listen to at least one one episode a month. <hes> is I think like in the U._S.. Just around five hundred thousand people in in the overall the whole globe. It's like another two hundred fifty seven hundred fifty thousand. Seven hundred fifty thousand like <hes> Israeli a third of those irregular hardcore listeners in the other sixty six percent or like very casual listeners immediate be good to know in the future future has pad guest statistics Kim more granular especially for sleeping me because it is like like who were this. How many people are Super Users in would put that at like like a significant significant number like fifty percent of those regular listeners <hes> are probably super users meaning nameless and like every single episode every month and or more in even more than that <hes> such as solidifies statistics is those all those statistics do inform? Oh how do I make this show or which not working like a in the biggest things statistics revealed it was like Okay Star Trek and next generation we can't we'll have to do it in like shorter chunks because <hes> it's just not as appealing as everything else we do to mature Lak- to a percentage of our listeners <hes> but it does have laker deep wicked deep fan base is so we're not going to turn away from it totally either and then like toy episode titles so he the only other Sissiko anomaly will be if an episode titles rarely happens because I'm pretty good at had been doing it while but <hes> is archetypally off putting that will statistically underperform because people say well. I don't WanNa to listen to that with that Toyota. Let's Nike helped me sleep and last I'm GonNa Happen to the world was like impact. It was a long time ago was <hes> an even know which series it was but it was like it was named after the name of was an animal still know what I was thinking. The most dangerous game was the name of the episode. I think it changed even the name of episode eventually because it was like what were you thinking. I think those like early get Passos episode. Maybe like it was like holy. Cow Lick if you if I miss up title understandably people aren't GonNA listen to it in so that again goes into the episodically clear modular thing was based on statistics is more bay send feedback but now looking back at the statistics and seeing how many people consume older episodes or reconsider episodes makes me think oh it's important to focus focus more on the episodic versus a serial though there can be a serial serialized component to it <hes> so that's a little bit about that continuity those thing that came up continuity means like if something is true in the first episode of or the first season of a series. It's going to be true in the second in the it's not always the case for sleep with me a try to be generally aware of all that but <hes> <hes> like a don't have the lake luxury of time when a making the show because then working episodes come out and like six weeks or eight weeks or sometimes less than that and Obita between the pre-production production and in the post production show. That's like a for me like a coup of two full time jobs or one and a half and then the managing the podcast is Anna nobody but so I don't have like listening sometime before before I make season two of the big farm in the sky to listen to season one. It's just like because I'm always listening to episode before they're coming out so sometimes can't nudity doesn't censor listeners off. I mean that's a good thing about making sleep out guests but it does throw me off Cassisi. What is the rule with Simon and <hes> the big farm and earth initially lake making more like like as a close does the season I said okay? Let's lack in these rules a little bit better than is then because I don't remember what the rules were when we started in this is kind of essential piece of storytelling and actually the looseness of rule worked for this season but it doesn't work overall so and then okay so then what see so let's talk about <hes> the the goal of this season or what I thought so I came up with the title of this summer I I saw it was going through some cleaning out hoping my siblings clean out there cabin <hes> my brother dance cabin in some old furniture in a say who said okay you want me to go through this old furniture before I put it out <hes> to be donated and he said yeah in found this old fishing lure box. I don't even know if there's a fishing lure in it but it was called the Phantom Minnow in that spoke to me I said that is brilliant till it name mm-hmm of fishing lure and that made me think assignment and I said okay there's the title of the big because a daytime sprouted like what are we going to do next <hes> like it can ahead plotted whatever nuns in space salary series what's next. Maybe that's what was the summer I duNno said they've sounds like comic in a Superhero Kenneth Thing and then as you say it down to start and then then I came up with the concept okay like okay <hes> what if we have happened on Earth <hes> with Jean de que and then it can it was like okay what happens in this retirement community similar to the villages called the towns like that would be interesting and then it'd be interesting to have Jean de que salvin cases which would make sense <hes> and then I so I said that concept and then I okay we'll sign but Simon wants to do this fan of Minnow thing he ended there is always like my brain is serialized so even if the show is in serialized they do like to make a season having some sort of throughput or threads <hes> or ARC's or asks a season Act <hes> or acts or you know season journey and see you know C._o.. N._F._L. I._C._T.. In Lake desires dry theme striving the season keeps US easing going going so I said okay so we'll have Jean. De Que doing P._i.. Business in Florida that would get them through ten to twelve episodes without a doubt and that would be journey for them from when they start the business business to win it ends so that was a little more straightforward and then I said okay. Simon wants to be the Spain a minnow then a inch then I said well. It's what's the conflict <hes> why would Simon Wiser wire things going back the earth's why wouldn't Simon just keep a living Simon's life right so then he and what does this fan a minnow half to do with it and then I can came up idea they eventually Kennett played parts in episodes of <hes> some some other person had this business startup or whatever <hes> heavenly solutions and Simon was like in the you know in the mail room I mean does a starting point and then why why he would want to leave the big farm to help Gene T._K._O.. The night he cares about them deeply with the phantom minnows thing just never developed a sink just because they didn't have a clear reason for it in and also I like looking back on how the season developed it became clear by the time they ended a okay. This season's just not about the seasons about Jean de que in Simon helping them into Hindu. Just doesn't have enough room <hes> other than to touch bag and force is Simon and what he wants it's more about. Would you know what I mean. I don't know like so I do WanNa shoehorn in this sexual plot. I didn't think it would like could play a role in solving the cases but then you get into a whole idea of <hes> <hes> realism or Magical Realism Day of sex Mike and I like when when it comes to mysteries and that I didn't WanNa take any <HES> agency I mean are enough giving the characters agency and asleep podcast Emmy mean enough agency or whatever but <hes> if that's the right word but <hes> it just didn't want to steal any of that from Jean de que like I wanted them to have their own business built with their own hands in their own minds <hes> in have a coup Simon coming in as a fan of minnow and saving the day like maybe having him as a part of the solutions gene decay or just so <hes> on top of it they they don't like it they can ask in a lot of times vocalized the help the need <hes> in a lot the times they just need to someone to listen to them as brainstorming nat this <hes> active <hes> problem-solver so I don't know there's like what happened. It's a fan of Minnow Biz in by the indices and I said okay wait. Wait a second <hes>. We'll see if there be some point probably will be season three because we teased it. At the end of the thing it's like <hes> same in does need to be back in his world think <hes> in like he doesn't need to be salving cases sets his thing. He's not a earth person anymore. <hes> realistically Jean de Que after go back to school but also just like me to character Simon says well. I'm not sure I'M GONNA give up on this idea the fan minho totally totally because it seems to be a big soreness scoots side is a great. Thanks <hes> Ray okay so we'll see if that'll come up when we do seasons that would probably be like eighteen to twenty four to thirty six months away. Even though we don't have anything else on the schedule I mean tentatively avenue even written up the release schedule Eb. It was so we'd like I'm starting to work on the next series. I don't know if it'll be ten nine ten twelve episodes series or maybe less maybe more I mean. I don't think it'll be more just gets twelve and one recap is like the Max <hes> who now that we're on the two week <hes> release schedule. It's just a I want to keep the ski electric. Give skeptical balanced <hes> so it's like we're doing in a perfect world. We'd do to series a year in a holiday series in depending on how schedule falls in and be like a mini series or <hes> something else or just take a couple of weeks of doing <hes> random episodes <hes> so that's what I actually have to do next this like work backwards from Thanksgiving to now and say okay where like how many episodes to have space for and then even that can change her even big farm I saw <hes> we're GonNa do twelve then I was writing of it so ten and I was like this feels like you have so twelve remedios episode episode eleven and maybe lend here. Maybe I'll write up so twelve and then right episode eleven or maybe I don't know those ten eleven and twelve within things clarified and none of this is definitely episode ten you think episode of so ten was going to be episode twelve but that led job sewed eleven in all fit. I said Okay Yeah. Jean de que stories finished year more or less and then we'll finish up Simon as part of it so I I mean the main thing about this series is <hes> a little bit different and other series. We'll stand in scooter. Were <hes> wove one another greatly. They had a little bit more of a antagonistic like like relationship stands down one hundred percent human or like you know their relationship <hes> N._O.. They had a very guessing that they they were antagonise. Split inadvertent antagonise sometimes maybe <hes> where G._D.. CAIN Simon. There's nothing like that it. I mean it is like I guess it's an idealized because the circumstances aren't ideal and I like we'll have his ideal as you'd be here with us. You know that <hes> that it is like an enemy there is something I mean neither later in that so they could tell you like subtantially like that just to me ads Ed slaking emotional juice to it in is someone that like your lives in lake world of layers anyway say well now like <hes> they your detached from the world or that these two young women or that Simon Eamon scrapbook it as well have this close relationship with one of my relatives as a mentor someone I can talk to their not but they're not around or Simon. Has this parental role or connection action to them very fulfilling yeah but it's you know there's a vast distance in Libya in some sense like <hes> the vast distances separates them were disconnects. Him also allows awesome to be connected. I mean that's sometimes happens like you know say sometimes when things are going good we get along great you know Anna but really it came down to like the foundation. Show is the characters you like love and respect for one another and not only that Laker trust in willingness to grow and learn from all three like all three of them I feel like or is that just what I enjoy about them and just barely tease next see the next year. He said that won't be the case with the next series I mean and a good way <hes> it's like sometimes you can't have characters that get you can have characters they get along and love one another and respect one another in there I it just <hes> and sometimes you characters that are a little bit more at odds or or more comical. I guess <hes> like so who don't necessarily comical but the next series will be two characters are related <hes> in that are in a lake <hes> that we're just friends <hes> so yeah. Hopefully you enjoy enjoy talking. You Bet this go ahead. 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Work From Home - Guest Deborah Bradford

Natural Curiosity

35:03 min | 4 d ago

Work From Home - Guest Deborah Bradford

"Welcome to the natural curiosity podcast. We are live on Youtube and in our facebook group with two shows, wisdom chats for the curious and daily reset for success. Be sure to visit our videos. So you can see what we look like and be sure to say I. Today's episode is the daily Reset, four success now enjoy the show. Well hello there year watching the what work from home show. Again, it's Mandy and we love our work from home show. We're going to help find a job for yet snow of OAKS. You're needing a new job and we're going to create all kinds of fun things like Side hustles and all that different types of jobs and remained their side hustles. I was reading the little stuff on there and there's all kinds of stuff that we're GonNa talk about today to help you find a job so you can pay your bills. So hello there I'm lady the baby boomer made and we have two wonderful ladies with us today our favorite Marion Lasalle Marianne. How are you today in somebody's favorite wow cool. Well Mary is has been all kinds of things in our talks because she's a wizard for the expert at. So she's a favorite to she, she's the one who gets us on our show every day that we come on and we love her. Some things that she has to say on the shows, and of course now we have deborah. Hello Deborah Bradley. REDFORD's me alot good morning. How are you Sir Ticker on our show again today so Marian I'm going to turn it over to you and let's get started in finding these people's work. Yes. Thank you. Now we do talk about all kinds of work and my thing is I'd rather you work from home and be flexible and go out if you walk to rather than having to show up somewhere to earn A. paycheck you know a, this is a crazy world Lebanon and if you can stay at home if that's what you WanNa do then I think that's what you should be able to do. So everything we're going to bring to you today is something that you can do from home and when I say from home I really Ni net literally at the computer and a microphone and your abilities to get up in the morning and sit at the chair and work. You can find a job or create yourself a side hustle which is My favorite I love side hustles. My full time job is side hustles. A, you have a bunch of mid. They're all wonderful. I actually have six now I used to five, and now I have six and it definitely. It's definitely you know time consuming to have six side hustles. So you know if you WANNA focus on one, that's fine. If that's the type of person you are and you can dedicate yourself. That's great. So let's get right to it. End Bigger out exactly what it is that you WANNA do. The first thing that I wanNA show you is something that I thought Oh my God I could do that, and so that's why like to bring you these types of things it's from a company called Sutherland. But Sutherland represents AIRBNB summoned to pull it up in show you on the screen Sutherland. There now, hiring full-time work from home customer service reps, and they want to support the a being airbnb program. They start off fourteen dollars an hour, and they have incentives, medical dental vision benefits and pay training. And I love the fact that they had advancement opportunities. So you might want to look into this. If you know anything about AIRBNB, it is not going away. So. Go to jobs dot sutherland global dot. Com Am don't forget down below underneath in the description we have all the lakes of things that we're GonNa talk about today including how to get hold of Deborah and lady little. Ladies Think about that, Opportunity? Big. I love it because I've been an AIRBNB super host for over ten years and someone who wants to work from home and. And speak with people and support them as hosts and guests. I think it's a great idea and AIRBNB. More people because it's an expanding market. Yes, and there's a lot of side things going on at are cropping up because of airbnb like people that have vineyards and places where they are letting you come for free. If you look in there been years, you might buy some wine. You know that type of thing there's people that will allow you to park your motor home or Camper van or whatever you have in their driveway like like lady Liu. Okay. Not that she does this but this sample right she could charge. to have people come out to her property. He has five acres there's plenty of room she could make a little area. You know maybe even put some cement grand and they could have campfires and they could have hookups and things like that, and then that could be an AIRBNB promotion. Right there's only place there's also a website called hip camp. That that supports people who want to have people come and be on their property, their land, their their ranch to to be an alternative to staying in someone's home. HIP CAN'T DOT com. Yeah I watch all the people on. Youtube that are talking about. Getting out and campers and kipper. Nans tents, and living in your car you name it and so there's a lot. There's a lot going on. But this particular job I think is really interesting. You could start there and expand out learn how to do yourself, right? Yes. Deborah did anybody teach you how to do an everybody? nope. No. Because before Airbnb I was doing short term rentals with the university. And College, and medical school interns and residents. Here in in the Houston area in my three bedroom place, and then when Airbnb came into town. I checked it out and decided to go with airbnb as well. All right. Well, the next one I have for you. Is. called. INC till. Intel and they have a contact center and they have solutions for business owners and they're starting at fifteen dollars an hour. It's all remote work. So I highly recommend you go and look at it. It's INC tell dot com slash careers. I course. Every single thing that I bring you to make sure that these are real companies that are paying I, do my investigating and making sure that they really are paying fifteen dollars an hour it's not a scam. These are real jobs. And And some of them are part time some of them are full time and some of them just might give you ideas. All right. The last full one I have. Is Allah core ca how do you say that Lady's a low Rica on only? and. They start at fourteen fifty an hour. Now they are from Tampa, but it's all remote and noticed that it says. Urgently, hiring urgent urgently hiring that means you need a job now. Check it out. I think Customer Service Reps. are really in demand because everybody went online quickly. You know we have this virus going around and everybody's scrambling around and they're all working and they're and they're buying stuff online. And so they need more customer service Reps. I could probably put twenty five new companies or new adds. Up on the screen today and I only chose a few because I wanted you to see some of the ones that really caught my eye. Who wants to work for minimum wage at least start with fourteen dollars an hour right? Okay. Now the last slide I have here is three different jobs. I thought it was interesting to if you're not a bookkeeper now you WanNa make twenty to thirty dollars an hour. Learn how to be a bookkeeper there urgently hiring as well. Appeals Law Firm. And here's one I really thought was cool up greenery. Greenery will allow you to be an online tutor. All you have to have is a teach teaching or tutoring experience for one year in high school or a ged. That's all you need to do, and they are hiring light matt because. The. People aren't to school and you know what? Even when the viruses alright bitch. A lot of people are GonNa want to continue teaching their kids at home because it safer. I know if I was apparent today, I would want to my kids to be working and learning from from home. Okay and the last one I have years on Omni Interactions, they pay fourteen to sixteen dollars an hour. And it's basically customer service. And they're really into you take the good that you like, okay. Don't just do whatever we tell you to do. They really want big people and what that means to me is you pick and choose the jobs that you want. These are all work from home jobs and I hope that I have talked to you about something that you are interested in. Either on your phone or on your computer from home. People don't like to talk on the phone. He ever known somebody that just like refuses to talk to you on the phone they have to text or email. Just to get on on well, I live with somebody like that. So I know all about it. I talk to her you better send her an email. And okay, everybody's got choices. That's right. So she'd be good with the bookkeeping she'd be good. But the you know the customer service with like the little thing POPs up says, how can we help you and you have to type in your answer like? I could just talk to somebody it would be easier than this. Yeah well, our personalities just outer. There were outer directed extroverts. Those are some really interesting opportunities for are looking for work right now. Yes, and they're available right now urgent. Urgently hiring yes I can understand that you know there's those jobs that you could go and get right now if you're desperate because and I don't mean desperate as all my God, I'm going to be in the streets tomorrow. But if you're used to an income and all the sudden your company later late everybody off and you know unemployment just not getting it or you're not there yet you know you have to wait a while or they're you know they're trying to, you know say that you can't have unemployment. This might be the opportunity for you to at least have something in between. So. Now, I'd like to talk to lady Liu and Deborah about some opportunities to work for yourself where you don't have to go and get a job. You don't have to apply. You can find something you really like to do and do it debra start with you. Sure well, historically, I've been self employed most of my life. SA- College. I worked my way through college with a house cleaning service. I had great clients that morphed into a full-time client in the wine country of California and I managed their vacation properties. In the plural and I, really loved the independent lifestyle of working for myself and having just a few clients. Then when I came to Houston I, I did get a job. And having a job showed me pretty quickly the restrictions of having to suit up and go someplace. Earning you know my income but really working for someone else. So I, all I started side jobs. And that started for me with organizing. I've always been very organized I learned that from my mom and they started helping other people during my vacation time or my cop time. helping People Organiz. So I created the organizing business which has. Expanded into a packing service like I will. Pack People's homes up to get them ready to move or unpack them and say. Remember that. Yeah and I've done home staging for homes to sell. A lot of decluttering as people are downsizing or getting ready to. Move to a new environment helping people get ready for that. Then I also wanted I. got a message about. Buying my income. So. You couple of the things that I've taken on since my mom was in a direct sales company, she had as a side business, a direct sales company position. I started looking around for some way to diversify my mom and over the last. Six years, I've taken on three direct sale positions in well established debt free companies. And that's during this pandemic especially having money come in every month that I've done. The footwork four has helped us stay in our home. Keep my car. You know all kinds of things that. Wouldn't have been possible at this time if I didn't have streams of income and recently we started Getting educated about and participating in the. what's it called? Cyber cryptocurrency yeah. As another income stream and that's been pretty exciting. So I'm always looking somewhat to why teen. And or one of my teams whether it's the health and wellness industry or someone who wants to shadow with me, and I would paint him to help me. In my organizing business. and. Those kinds of opportunities are out there. In our area it if the are and a lot of folks don't. Well they don't have the awareness of what he is available and that's where you come in A. Look what you have done. I mean with. All these things that you've done in your career and they've all added up and now you have this. Wonderful. Career, if you will because it's all different companies that you work with not for. You've found them so yet people come to you for counselling. Absolutely I love to consult with people whether they want to be an AIRBNB host. Or they want to have. You know a side income like a side gate or they want you really go full on, I know several of my friends who took on something new and actually were in a position to be able to let go right away of what they had been doing. Know full on into something new and to be able to create in, you know within six months or so a complete replacement income. With benefits won't. So somebody from the audience at Ricky McKenna Hi Ricky does that sounds like fun I agree different stranger important would love to know more about crypto currencies and M open to organizing. So okay fantastic. So I just happen to know how to get a hold of Ricky and so I will I will be I will let you know how to get a hold of her ricky I'm looking forward to speaking with you. and. bought. My own life organized is I use I, took a course called mission control, and if you live in the Houston area, you know a lot about mid and control has that's the Nasa Space Center br everything's working like a well, you know like a Swiss watch and I took a course called mission control, which was a way to create a whole new relationship to time and I use the systems that I learned in mission control to organize my electronic calendar, my physical space. How ideal with email and it's helped me bring on new businesses and have it all work. Wonderful. Well I'd Kinda like. Delve into a little bit about what lady Liu is doing a she's got a side hustle going that relates to health wellness, but it's a totally different way. It helps with people who were thinking about Cohen and keeping comb it out of your house, and then I'd like to talk about something that I stumbled on late glue helmets more. What you're doing to help people feel safer in their own. Win It's the most amazing thing. It's an air purification system and it's This big and it'll do three thousand square foot house and I've just been overwhelmed with the things that it's doing for people to keep them healthy because it's like a little pacman that pushes out purified air that has the stuff in it. I don't know I don't understand it, but we don't have to understand it as long as it works and it goes out there and grabs the bacteria the dust mites that I live on dirt pit road at my house is so dusty it's unreal I want clean air I haven't had clean air in ten years because of this dirt road. And, it cleans the air. It's just like sucks up bet best. If there's smoke in the area like Oh, the the California people made this it just evaporates smoke. So if you've got a smoker in the house, this is GonNa be. Perfect. I E to until those unique. It is just so overwhelming and there's also the business opportunity side of it. So I'm I'm just so thrilled about it that it's it's. I can't wait to get started. I've sold my nephew. His mom and dad wine. My sister's GONNA get one everybody I know watch what these look I. I WANNA give as a gift because my dog has played dates over her house and she smokes cigars and lots of cigarettes and I just really would prefer to have. Cleaner air for my dog and in I want my dog to be able to go over there and play but she's only this tall and now. You know what her name Lady Lu I have down on in the description how to get a hold of you said, he patriotic dot com slash the baby boomer babe you can reach out to lady Liu and we'll also put up Deborah's information down there in just a minute here. Is that all you wanted to say lady Liu because I know how important that is an ano know that you also can help people do this too if they're looking for work, right? Yes. Because it's one of those opportunities that nobody can guarantee our income. When we work for ourselves is how much work you want to put into it how diligent you are and how bright you are because their systems everybody's got a system and they hope they have training. So it's not that difficult and this this product Oh my God is just amazing and everybody I shouldn't say everybody but most people need one of them in their home and. When you wear around your neck. So when you go to the grocery store your breathing fresh air and it's so easy to sell I know lady out of I, think she's in Missouri Right now, who is selling a multiples of And so she's like I don't know in her eighties and she excitable and happy and she is just sharing this opportunity. So this is something that you think you might want to sell also contact low and she can tell you how to go about that I. Mean it's not as much about selling and it is about sharing. For share. So few that gene I've got that Gene Sodas Mary and I bet you Debra does to we love to share what we know and how we can help each other. Thank you, Marian. Oh, absolutely because I know that's important and I do WANNA. Give that as a present for my. DOGGY daycare lady. I don't want to ask you to stop smoking, but it really does bother me Okay. So we've got some more audience participation of California in Colorado I have a friend there was thrown out give you she could use the cleaner system. Can you put the name on the SC Roller absolutely and Lady Liu if you could just type in your information in the private chat or a talk to her after the show's over that. I call you. Okay. Good. Thank you. Okay. So one thing that I stumbled across that I think is perfect for me might not be for you especially Garin Kobe. However I absolutely love it. And that is I am now a mobile notary son getting calls from people who don't want to go out or who can't go out and they have to have something notarized and so I I, I haven't even told anybody about it. I don't know how people are finding out but I've gotten four calls already. One was fern attorney who wanted a will signing ceremony someone to help them with their wills and their power of attorney medical power returning all that were ten different documents. So I met them at the office and yes, the lawyer can do the mobile or the notary, but they really shouldn't be the lawyer and the notary. So, she asked me if I could do it and I said, of course I am now a notary public. So the next one was a gentleman who wanted to have his nail delivered into third party Kinda like office in America you can head your mail delivered with third party, but the postal service requires it to be notarized. And he didn't have time. He has bank is not open. He didn't want to and you said Mary. If you'll come out, notarize it out pain you I'll pay you. You know whatever you want and I said I'll be there. And another one that this is really this is really what Calls to my heart. Okay. A friend of mine saw saw something on facebook that said, I was a mobile notary and her father-in-law was dying and it was very like really quick. Okay. So she called me she said Marion, can you come over right away he wants to changes will before he dies And so the lawyer had already worked up the paperwork. All I had to do was go in and make that. He was others right mind you know I had to ask him some questions and do what I'm supposed to do and have him sign it and I witnessed the signing and notarized it. Now that got me to thinking. My. Heart is pulled toward the elderly. The elder care industry I love helping people who can't help themselves it just it's what I'm called to do and so this is something I could do. So if you want some information about doing what I'm doing, it's just another one in my side gigs the hustle. I'll be happy to share the information with you. Go that's beautiful Mary and I know where you're already is So. What else do you do Deborah I know? Things, you're called a human science professionals. Well in addition to consulting with people about business I I really loved to. lead courses which are personal growth and development courses. And I do that through the senior division where the graduate division of landmark worldwide of enjoying that I've been participating since two thousand. So it's been twenty years and I've been leading programs for about four years now. And that gives people in my life. However, they come across me and we have have the conversation for what they're looking for. Me just the most gratifying experience of seeing people. Move. Aside. Barriers. And stepped forward into futures they create they designed their own life and then they go and live their life the one that they designed in it's just. Something that gives me a lot of Heart. Fulfillment. and. Lonely. Yeah Yeah. And CAUTI-? I like to support people and I do this for free. You know I lead the courses for free course does have a cost but I lead the course for free and I I like to. I'm Imerese source professional, and that's what I would say you know I I gave these call center job opportunities. Marianne and I was on a call center here in the Houston area for eleven years and realized after working with closely aligned with the United Way helpline how much I enjoy putting people together with resources and that arises in a conversation. So I love to have conversations with people for what they want. What they need? And then you have to be careful because if you tell me what you want and what you need I'm standing for it in my stand is powerful. That's so powerful. Don't you have a free offer far audience. I. Do I do Ricky's going to be hearing from me because she's forty to be receiving her choice of a free health pack of. Resources and products, or she's going to get a free consultation for me for some decluttering. Her End and there's another opportunity for someone else to step up and and let us hear from them as well. Oh I love that. So all that information is in the description down below this video on how to reach there. Is just so much that we could talk about on this show because working from home is going to it will have already has exploded, but it's just to get bigger because so many people now realize they can have their teams their office crews were from home and they don't have to pay for this big office and all the insurance this necessary when you have an office and now the people can work from home and do the same. Work probably more efficiently anyway as there's no commute time, they don't have to worry about their cars not starting in the morning. Oh it it's GonNa get bigger and bigger. So it's time if you haven't thought about it is time now to think about finding your work from home and everybody has an expertise at something, it might be drawing it might be singing you could teach classes and talk about Patriots Marian Real. Quick. We've got a few minutes. Okay, so ricky's saying, thank you should like to know more about the resource centers. Well so you guys have a lot to talk about just see now down up down below in the description on Youtube facebook and. All your favorite podcast APP. She'll find all the links that we talked about today including the work from home jobs. I brought to your attention today. So yeah, to close out today I definitely want to let you know that a lot of people have gifts. And talents that they're keeping to themselves. I remain to. They just don't know how share it. So I'm giving a class on Petri on dot com and I have been asked by three people in the last week. So that's the universe to Haney it's time to put a new class together. I did a couple last year and they were sold out in a very short period of time. So don't delay when you see it pop up, you need to get in or let me know right now that you're interested because Patriot on is a way for your community whether you have one now or not. Okay you can build it. It's a way for your community to support you. It's not a donation. It's not a hand me down her hand me up or it's nothing to be ashamed of its people that love what you do or want to know more about what you. It's a way for them to give back. To you the the artist or the the person who is giving up your talents, just couple of examples, lady, Liu, and I. Both know some people that are doing podcasting and making thirty thousand dollars a month and more. Think. That's what we're doing right now audio portion on. Okay I tunes and things also people are making money doing does this thing really work? Saw Give you an example. This is a little device that holds tape right does this thing really work? Did you buy Well I can tell you all about it until they people send him gifts and people send him products from Amazon all day and all night, and they just show it to they unblocks it and show it to you how it works and if it's for your hair in and literally they're making. I won't even go into how much they're making because it's a lot and you wouldn't believe it. But this trainees gonNA show you how to do this how to create a patriots fan page where your patrons can support you. All right. That's it for today. One More thing about patriotism folks? Okay. You're is no charge for this platform it's free. Now they care of all the taxes and all the money that comes in and then send you they take a small percentage I think about ten percent and they send the rest of you. So they do the paperwork as well as the taxes and it's a beautiful platform. So sign up for this class right away. Yeah I I highly recommended if it's not for you, you could share it with somebody. And Ricky is saying she loves patriotic. It's a great community for those of us who love to share our talents in get rewarded for it. Thank you Ricky Ricky was in my class and now she has A. On page. So I highly recommend that you check that out as well. All right. Well, that's it. For today. We hope you enjoyed it gotten some. You know some interesting ideas and I want you to to contact. Deborah Louise, and myself whoever you all three of us. If you want because we have things we want to share with you. Yes. All right. Thank you never we appreciate you being here. You're so wise. Say Your next time. Thank you. Bye. Thank you for joining us for today's show. Remember it's our pleasure to bring you interesting co host antibiotics. So connect with us. Often, we're looking forward to the next time together by for now.

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"What what what up, you tune into the Jose Morales podcast where we talked Sports business and everything in between. I'm your host Jose Morales and we're on my boxing Academy joining me in the ring. Today is Kyle guy the 2019 NCAA Champion final four outstanding player of the year. And now with the Sacramento Kings, he is here joining me and I'm blessed to have you here. Thank you, brother. You know for sure. Thanks for helping me. Thank you for accepting the invitation. I know you could even said know who want me on this podcast. I wanted I thought maybe I should be a little bit better at boxing before I said, yes, but I decided to say yes anyway, cuz we can do the before and after our conversation before and after he's actually been boxing now while like a week two weeks two weeks ago 2 weeks 2 more weeks to four weeks and athleticism motherfuker athletic. Obviously you're back song. I love working with athletes by the way, like people that are like cuz for the most part I work with Average Joe's, you know, I mean every people that are I mean some I have may have athletic month and sometimes I have the least athletic athletic people nothing wrong with that but I'm just not used to getting right fucking pure athletes makes my job. So easy like damn I'm not used to people that fast, you know saying yeah, so I appreciate you by the way. Shout out to Bobby Jackson cuz he's the one who linked us. Yeah. He did he did. He's the one of the best he so I I saw his Instagram he was working out up here and stuff and I'd always wanted to get into boxing that was kind of like me and my step dad staying was like just kind of Washington Floyd or Roy Jones when I was growing up whatever and so often I always wanted to try the workouts are always, you know, just talked about as being the hardest or just great full body conditioning and so I've always wanted to do it never had a chance wage. Always been so busy. And then now it's just you know quarantine the season's over for me. I was like, I see I see Bobby doing it. I'm like Bobby can do it. That way. He hasn't been a week and I texted his mother fuckers up. I've been practicing all week. He's he's been grinding but he said ball my body can't take it no more. He's he's I'll be there next week. Hopefully all the coaches run after practice, but you don't run out there like this. He's only one that doesn't run out you're pregnant. You don't even run here for well. He does not like running. Hey, he's a he's a I got bad knees Achilles and all these days. I get it now. He'd been through the wringer. Yes. I'll give him I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for that. But but we're going to talk about today is pretty much everything that has to do with Kyle guy your journey who you are as a person. I'm more than just basketball, but your whole journey everything that has to do with you before we get into that. I want to ask you a couple of things. One thing is what do you think about the gym? Curious about what you thought about coming here. How how is it how is it Jim? How is it being in a boxing gym for the first time? How is it being in the ring? You tell me you got in the mail. I who is my first time with bring how how was that experience for you? Tell me about it was awesome. I didn't really know what to expect. I know had these like expectations of like Just being blue collar like just work hard as soon as you walk in. You just see the sweat on the floor. Like, you know, people been working it here. So when I walked in here solid ring, you see the nice setup, but it's not too nice. I don't I wouldn't want it to be like this glamorous like LA Fitness type thing for me. I kind of like the the little sluggish the little rugged speed up. I like I feel to it so it was doping and getting in the ring. I know like this one's the amateuring but you just realized it's really not as much space as as you thought and again this is so this is my second time in the ring right now. So is this Delta second time you'd be sitting down just to the right right? I'll be in a range is talk in the butt. By the way. We had start the podcast right before this, but my homie Ricky forgot to hit record and got to put the SD card to record and so he fucked it up, but I did do my home. On you as far as like what you're doing and all that and also before that. I looked at one of the things that I that you told me you said I've been with my girl since middle school wage. How the fuck do you do that shit? That's what I really want to know about cuz I've heard of high school sweetheart. Yeah. I never heard of no middle school sweetheart. Yeah, I both he was a give us a chance to do it what you meet her give us a love story eighth grade. I was really I had just quit all my other sports besides basketball I ran track and I played football and I was like, you know, I'm off to some basketball and so I wanted to see another who he plays for the Nuggets now Gary Harris. He's from Indiana. I wanted to see him play and so I went to the game and she was off because her brother played on his team and so I met her at the game and I was you know, we were vibing or whatever I was like, oh so you guys didn't go to school together know you guys were from the same. No not dead. Oh, yeah, we never we've never gone to the same school high school college nothing so but it wasn't really long-distance cuz we were twenty minutes away from each other. But still we didn't see each other. In fact, I think that honestly probably helped us. Yeah, you know, you can get by kind of it probably did help you get at first it sucks. But it was then we were like actually this is probably a good price. You guys didn't want to go to the same high school. Like, hey, let's go to high school together. Yeah. It was for me. I wanted to go to my high school because my entire family had gone through that high school and and sports were. In my opinion there are better there. So I wanted to go there. Yeah, she knows she knows we ran through HSE. She agree that your schools better what we're trying to sneak. Yeah, I can say hey did you know he said this about you and I try to get it. I don't even believe me no more jobs even believe what you're talking about. So yeah, so you guys went to college. Did you guys think about going to the same car? We thought about it. She actually visited at UVA before I even got screwed by them cuz she's a brainiac she's so smart. And so when I got an offer from UVA, I asked her what she thought about and she was, you know, considering it and I was considering it a lot but we actually broke up for about I don't know sixteen eighteen months from my senior year of High School freshman wage. College so that's the only time we weren't together and we were still talking for the most part. Yeah, but like you yeah and then but she decided to go to a small a super prestigious School in Indiana small school de pawl with a W and then I went to UVA so, okay. I'll come back to ask you about the college cuz I want to ask you some questions. But before I go into that give me what it was like to grow up in Indiana bro was Indiana like what's give me your childhood. Give me your give me your backstory. Yeah, so I have five younger brothers and sisters and four brothers two sisters and Three Brothers Two Sisters. Sorry on the second. You told me that they they were your parents got a divorce. Yeah. Well, they never actually married. They have a year in college and then they both just got married. Okay, so, all right. So for you you didn't really go through like that divorce and I was too young when they broke up. Anyways ever really had your parents together ever dead. Right. Yeah when I was you know, how was that whole Christmas Is Awesome? Okay. I got for fans for families to go to so that's awesome. But it was dope there. There's they've done a fantastic job of making it easy on me and they all get along with my dad and step-dad are like best friends now like they used to take me too long like visits and that's dope. Oh, so those never yeah, and so they used to take me to visit just them too and they would walk into the gym and stuff and like you could tell all the fans thought they were gay and I was like, they're acted son. Who was awesome. It was awesome. I used to tease him by there all the time but like yeah they get along so well, I know and then so you're grown up in Indiana is like home. It's not as much like people think it's just like corn fields and shit, but like where I'm from. I'm from Indianapolis on from the the capital of the city right in the middle and South If you draw a circle around the Annapolis an hour, each way is going to be all like City or Suburban life. Now you go past that you can get all the corn fields and stuff but there's lakes and stuff which is dope. So I grew up, you know, there's not really a house in it yet doesn't have a basketball hoop. Like it's like cuz everything bassballs everything there is unbelievable. Like I'm not even kidding me figure the football. Oh 1,000% there's not there's not a state. It's not a place in the world that takes basketball more seriously, Indiana, and I promise you it's crazy. Like if you live in a cornfield you have a basketball hoop on your birth or like wow. Yeah, it's crazy. Is there a history behind? Why basketball posters there? You heard the movie Hoosiers. It's a it's the best movie look it up. It's it's not the best movie in the world. But yeah, it's not the best movie world, but I liked it and it I don't know why it was. Such a such a big deal in Indiana. I mean Naismith the dude who made it from Ohio, so it's next door, but I don't really know why they just took a differently and then Indiana the university there like one of the best programmes ever in college basketball. So I think it just kind of stems from that. It's crazy like my team. So my travel team in the summer, they have 320 teams first grade to eleventh grade three hundred twenty teams. Like that's that's I don't know the math, but that's like what Thirty teams are grade and that's just one program. There's probably fifty programs. So you growing up where you obviously basketball was a big influence cuz you were in a city where it's all about basketball, but did you see yourself as a kid playing pro basketball or or were you did that come along as you got older what happened that came when I was older but I saw myself being a professional athlete wage. Didn't know what okay. So I played football growing up. That was my first love love football. And then when I got to like Middle School, it would be seasonal. So on the fall, I'd be all about football. And then in the winter, I like football is down home page. That's all I know that was done was like actually I kind of want to run track. And so those were your wife ran track, right? Yeah. She didn't text you in the 200 and the four by one. Yeah. She can't when she came I'm like dancing. I know. Yeah. She did she she ran in college for a year or two and she hurt her back so she stopped but my dad ran track and played football for two years University of Cincinnati. So, that's why that's why you said you're a banking. Yeah. I heard manga fan Reds. Everything is almost with my ribs had today, but I didn't yeah. Oh really? Yeah. I'm DieHard I didn't choice on came on. But like I told you it's like my son and my son was a Laker fan. I just found that motherfucker. Yeah. I've been in the same boat as your son for sure. But yeah, what time? Basketball team grown-up Pacers cuz Cincinnati only have one so basis for sure. Really I just like two players though more. I mean, who was that player? You just idolized for some reason that Kevin Garnett. I don't I don't play like it was tall like nothing but I think that's why I was attracted to him players because like I would have never guessed. I know that position. Nope. Nope. He's yeah, he's he's an extreme version. I do like to talk shit, but he's a extreme version. My mom doesn't like that. I talk shit. Like I used to like shift of crowds and stuff in college and she'd be so mad. Just sitting silently. Mom. Come on. It's just part of the game, but she's like, oh, yeah by the book. She said, yeah, you gotta respect mine for sure moms is like, yeah for sure. So I tried I cut back a little bit but people I mean my freshman year of college. I had a man bun. I don't know if you know that I used to have a man bun and and I shaved the sides of my head. It was only on top it looked terrible. Whatever but fans started like hating on it. And so I was like, I gotta keep it now. I can't people hate it. That means I love it. And so I kept it and people were talking so much shit in the game. So that's what I my freshman year. I taught it than I did in my sophomore junior year just because yeah, cuz they were going after me. Yeah pushing buttons so but sorry mom's, how was a telephone number? Did you I just don't get it. How you how you that you were attracted to Kevin Garnett without us know. Okay. I don't know. I just I just wage so you can ask any of my boys back home any time. I'm home or playing in the backyard. I don't like to play on ten feet cuz I play on 10:30 all the time. I'm trying to act like Kevin Garnett Duncan on people like wage. I think that's why I was chasing cuz it's what I want to do, but I can't real life. Yeah, I think that's what I kind of like. Yeah, I get it. I get I did that for a little bit. Yeah. I feel like cousins. Well, I'm nowhere near dead. Right. Yeah, I never paid like freshman. I got you on my homies. Yeah. Yeah. And shit what made you pick wage Virginia to go to school there? Like What attracted you to Virginia was the coach Tony Bennett. He says a coach but here I remember Bobby but let me tell you wrong. Yeah has Bobby the same question why he went to Minnesota and Bobby's I just wanted to pay for a black coach. That's literally what Bobby says awesome. Awesome your yards. So, let's do Tony Bennett might be the best person I've ever met my life like forget about if he's a good coach or not. He might be best person. I remember my life and when he called me every I had already I had like, I don't know Seventeen eighteen offers at this point. They were one of the last ones to offer me and he was the only coach that told me. Hey, I can't guarantee you're going to play a minute for me. I can't guarantee your I'm going to start you any of that everything you get you will learn but I think if you do earn it that you could throw here and I was like, I'm sold everybody else is like, hey, you'll get this many minutes. You'll start you Loblolly handing me stuff and I had always had to go through the back door every single level. I've been to so I was like, you know, I'm I'm trust this dude because I like what he's talking about. I was Bobby's also yeah. Yeah, Bobby told me the same thing that the coach was very strict. Hello straight. He he said he never had a coach that wage but straight up fighting muhfucka. He's a Mike his college coach will square up with him hockey the fuck out because you wanted done that seems like he's he's like a huge man of Faith Like wage just this awesome person. Like the only time I've ever seen him like super pissed off is if you if a player ever disrespected one of the managers that were like helping clean up the floor get practice birth. If you ever disrespect the managers, he would go off on you. That was the only time I was his weak spot. Yeah, he's a young do that cuz you treat someone who's low on the totem pole the same as somebody who's high on something. Yeah, I liked it. So so it sounds like you guys are still in touch and still today. I talked to them actually a couple of days ago. He we talk all the time. He's like just like one of those other men, you can always count on to give you some sound advice or just be a sounding board. So yeah, what was College like it's double-a. What was all that like, give me cuz when I watch basketball NCAA like the month of March Madness and then I watch NBA Playoffs. I feel they both got obviously they're both pumped up, but the college level is like whole nother. Yeah, it seems like, you know, I like that first or so obviously depends on the school you go to so our gym was super nice held like seventeen thousand people at sixteen and it was sold out every game. Cuz we were we had been good for years and the student sections. Obviously, you don't have that in NBA. So like the chance are a little like a few and far between but so that makes a difference in the March Madness. Just how much hype they have behind the brackets and how many people watch on T. Like I remember skipping school as a kid, like my dad's would let me skip school to go watch games and beat up cuz the game like noon, so I'll skip school and in high school It Go watch games with with with my dad's because like that's how much hype surrounded it and it carries over eight people that are actually at the games too. And we're in the final four matter of fact when the elite eight we're playing Purdue and we played in Louisville, which is like two hours from Purdue University home. So the entire gym was just people wearing black and gold. I'm not kidding and and that that arena is almost 20,000 just all black and gold and then one little sliver of Orange right behind our bench for 4 a.m. Fans and it was the most electric game I've ever been a part of and then I go from that so fond of $4 eighty thousand people watching cuz we played in the Minnesota Vikings stadium. So eighty thousand people there and then you gotta imagine there's ten million watch it on T. There's a lot of like nerves and like explain that how how what was that like I be able to sleep the night before. Yeah. Actually I was I so we had a practice. So let's say the game was I think it's Saturday Monday the two games for final four and Championship. So Friday, we had to open practice. So like fans could come and there's probably I don't know. Six thousand fans there and it that's when I realized I was like Wow six thousand that's almost half of my Virginia Arena. 6,000 was like a speck on this huge stadium and I was like, wow, this is going to be insane and then sensors on the Saturday game. There's four teams. So like 1/2 was orange 1/2 was green former State and then navy blue for Auburn and then red for Texas Texas, like all split up like it's like some movies. It was awesome. I enjoy I loved it. I loved playing the front of that many people. I wish they were all like that way. They can't be but and you guys did well that year right? Yes, here we want. Yeah. I remember when I asked you recently have you ever fell out of love with basketball? Yeah, you did and asked you what happened what made you fall out of love and I actually asked I said, do you still love basketball as much as you did and you said I actually fell out of love with box a basketball for a little bit and you said Story with meat share that story with that so I just told you about how it would just won the National Championship. So year before that. We were number one seed playing a 16 seed never once he's never ever lost a 16 seed and women's it has been in men's it's never happened. And so there's always a little bit of like added pressure to the ones. He like don't be that first team but it's like kind of a joke throughout the one seeds like just oh don't be that home team that does it and so we ended up losing that game. We played u n b c which is a Maryland Baltimore County super small school and they just it was just their nightmare. We couldn't stop him until after wage loss that you told me you guys were down ten four right first. Yeah. It was like 10:00 to 4:12 to 6 something like that. We called timeout cuz they're busting our ass and and I was like I could I felt like seep into my mind like that and we've got to be like we're about to be the first team to to do this. So you guys started thinking about it I did and I I think I saw it on my teammates miles on my car speak for him. But like I know I thought Who was the leader of the team the seniors was Devon Hall plays for the Thunder now and I said Wilkins plays overseas those were our two seniors. And so and then we had a bunch of sophomores that came in with me. I'm tied her own place where the sun's DeAndre Hunter plays for the Hawks. And so we had loaded team. We got seven pros and for MBA guys at this point now so we had a loaded team and they had one guy who got a summer league and G League spot with the Utah Jazz. That's it. Wow. They had one other guy that played in Puerto Rico. That was it. And so damn I know crazy when you think of when you say like that. I know think about that. That's like the the Lakers losing too high school high school. Yeah. I don't know where he is. So but we we we if so what you've heard from my head coach so far, you know, he's not going to let us just like not respect them. And so we went in there with the mindset like looked this teams capable like it doesn't matter if they're small they have nothing to lose. So they're going to give us their best shot and still we just couldn't and as soon as we took getting down I was I became mentally weak and I was already thinking about damn we might lose this and then by halftime we're down and we only had Twenty One points at half and like and they had them by Twenty like they smoke just it wasn't even close. They smoked us. Yeah when it came out of halftime and they were still hitting the way they were in the first half. I was like, oh yes curtains. We're done wage and you told me you guys had to get escorted to your rooms, right? Yeah. So we went it's like straight from a movie dog. Like we got on the bus. I mean first off, we're all trying our asses off and like upset and the first thing I do is apologize to the seniors because they don't have a chance to excuse me. They don't have a chance to like redeem themselves the following year. Like there's they're khong Over so I apologize to them we get on the bus. And you see these people outside our hotel like mad like what the hell? I mean I get it they're upset but like why they mad at us like go watch another game. There's all these other games all you're doing and I thought we get there and one of the coaches comes back and said, hey, we're going to have to go through the the back we've received a few death threats. Like it shouldn't be anything you don't need to panic but I think it's just some gamblers are mad, but they're saying stuff and we gotta take precautions. Like what people are going to kill us over this way. It's a basketball game. I get it's a big deal, but they're going to kill us over this and so we thought police literally walk us one by one through the like the kitchen like there was a back kitchen movie shit, right and then go straight to the back elevator up to the floor or they would hold the elevator and walk each of us to our rooms where our families were and made sure we got there safely and and then they had to stay there overnight obviously and we left in the morning. So it was yep. Crazy, what about the incident made you fall out of love? I think it was just I felt embarrassed. I felt ashamed. I felt like I let all of our supporters myself my family down and then the social media side of it. They were killing us just killing us and the social media bullies. Oh man, it's crazy. Anybody say anything behind the keyboard is crazy and so after I bought After all that happened it was just hard man, cuz my own like the students at our school or starting to make fun of us and like like other athletes on other teens making fun of us and like over time. We met jokes too, but like right after it's probably not the best thing so I'm going to class I got my earbuds in and have airpods yet. We had my earbuds and I had a hat off glasses Hood like literally anything to make sure that I was Incognito, of course, they still knew who we all were were taller and everybody who they know who we were off but it made me feel better that they maybe didn't seem even though I know they are looking at and they're Whispering behind the our backs. Let's hawkish it and it was just like that was a hard pill to swallow and I thought it was just a wild time and and I remember one of the best moments actually was like a month after know who's like a week after we lost the tournament still going on cuz we lost the first Around and all of my teams and one apartment and we just started reading off who has the worst DM like who has the worst like hey, you guys made it a joke a joke which made it which which helped but it was like some people talking about like this is the you guys are the worst fucking team I've ever seen in my life. Like I hope you guys died like just like going down the line like, oh people like I guarantee you and BC's point guard is like having sex with your girlfriend like just like everything you can think of and we were reading we're laughing about it. It's crazy, but I thought it was funny at the time. So yeah, obviously people that don't have time better. Wow. May I ask what I like about that? You guys made it fun for you guys to bring that back. Sup. Yeah. We met you that make you guys something that probably would have made you to press maybe you guys yeah, wow and crack up and it helped for especially for like a short period of time. I just really helped that wage. All feeling the same way so we could count on each other to make a joke out of it. We didn't care if we joked with each other but nobody else was allowed to joke about that show with us. Yeah. How did you get that second winner because you fell out of love and did it start with that like those jokes or like, how did you guys get to bounce back from that? Yeah. This is a good turning point right here. Cuz a lot of people like I bet you had some players on the song called it quits. Yeah for sure. I mean obviously sparked a fire we knew we had one more cuz our sophomore class was freaking good man. We had to do the win number four overall and do who went 26 overall and then I went fifty five so we had three dudes got drafted in one year. And so we knew this was probably our last year as Juniors wage. So that added some fire and then it got annoying listening to everyone talking shit man. It's like how do you shut them up on the only way you don't talk back to him. That's not going to set him up. It's gonna talk more wage. One way to do it is to change the narrative and so coach Bennett. We watched a bunch of motivational videos TED Talks tough to like get us going and one of the Ted Talk song forget was like if you use adversity, right it'll buy you a to a sorry you use the varsity right? It'll buy you a ticket to a place you couldn't have gone any other way and so essentially saying yeah wage job essentially saying if you didn't lose that game, you're not going to win a championship the next year like use it like it's part of the story. It's not the whole story. Yeah, and that really resonate with me. I was like, oh, yeah. I'm ready to go home. I'm ready to go dude. She you made me ready to go right and I don't even play basketball. Let's go by the way, I keep looking outside cuz we gotta we made a BET right now everyone a car drives by I get money. Yep have a black hard drives by I gotta I gotta pay him up. So we we make bets right before he pulled up we were talking and and we offer And what's the game you guys play? Bobby mention is a game that you guys Blu-ray Blu-ray? Yeah, Bobby. I don't know if you guys heard bobbi's podcast we talked about when he lost money the Vlade. Well, they teaching wage and that they play that in in Orlando. So who went by the way. So we played it for we were down there for forty days. We probably played at least 30 of the days. Okay. So when most of the time who had the better record overall, so I was trying to Bobby a lot Bobby Bobby would like come in take some people's money and leave it sounds like Bobby so he probably had a very steady come up to where the rest of us were like, oh and one day and the next day you lose it all you get it back then. Oh you get it back again. Then you lose it all. Yeah, that makes sense. Everybody came up. Yeah. So so yeah, so we were talking about gambling. I'm sorry. Let's bet on what color car drives back, heavy Gambler gambled on any of the he took he took me up on my offer. One thing. I notice about your own mentioned how we don't let you finish your Happy Handyman you following you you came back and won the NCAA Championship you voted outstanding player out of the final four. What was that? Like after having such a down year this year? What was that like Wait just lifted off my shoulders. Like I don't have to prove shit to anybody ever again in my opinion for real and how you really don't ever have to but being on a public stage and the national stage. I I feel that I have finally like, okay, I don't have to worry about anything. I don't care if I never play another game in NBA like I've done what I was supposed to do. Yeah, and so I thought it was it was awesome to amount of respect that we got feedback that we got. There was I mean we when I when we lost a u Embassy there's a picture of me like hands on my boss. I'm crying and half court and they're celebrating the background. I put that newspaper on my it's still hanging up in my house. I'll send you a picture of it is still up in my house to this day like that stuff gets gets to you and stays with you for your whole life. And so like art, that's me. That's me get you out there watching, you know have any money on them off. But but yeah, so I that was it's a beautiful story and you know, I just found out carry that with me forever. I always say that the best thing that ever happened to me. My basketball career was losing that game. Oh, yeah, so and you and not only did you that happen but you it fits so perfectly with what your coach said. Yeah, you know that the adversity is a key to the happiness when it was like literally a perfect favorite because the following year. I mean it will be made into a movie. I will see to it that is because it's an entire but I remember you told me your life after basketball you want to get into movies. I'll do what about that you cuz we talked about that. What about that draws your attention like what what is it about movies all that? Yeah. I've my whole life. I just been in a movie buff. I do a lot of stuff my dad some of my stories go at this but like we what we used to do was we by faith To get to see one movie and we'd stay for three. So we just bounced you buy one ticket. You just stay in the back in the theater and go to the next theater ten and watch a different movie than eight months and then we leave and like so I just grew up loving movies. And when my Mickey hat you, you know, you were saying like your kid likes watching that I just grew up watching all these movies and The the life that I've lived and again say like the UMBC whole story like I want to tell stories and I feel like one of the best ways to do that there's music that's the way to tell a story there's TV shows there's movies. And so the visual side of it is what draws me. I don't know if like I might want to act a little bit but for the most part I want to change directions for them. I know a guy that wants to do videos for movies and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I know there's one guy Ricky Ricky. You gotta learn how to record. Yeah, if you don't have the SD card and you can't make it move. He's got work to do. He's at work, right but I know a guy I know guys. Yeah, like literally I wanted to be a director producer and and make movies and stories one of your favorite movies. I'll give you I'll give you to one super under eight is Warrior or here. It's a UFC movie. Oh, that's newer right. I feel like somebody's mentioned something about Warrior. You'll see recently maybe I did when you asked me what my favorite movie earlier in the week, but it's it's Warrior, it's Tom Hardy Joel Edgerton and off their brothers and they end up fighting each other in the in the story. I think it's I think it's made up. I made a you need to watch it. You would love it. It's off dope. You got a couple of things. You gotta text me. Where do I do that? And then Interstellar you heard of that I've seen that man. I'm fucking slacking. It's all good Matthew McConaughey. I love life. But like it's a it's like a mind-blowing movie. Like I like those space movie. Like, I don't know. I don't like those. It's not it's not sci-fi. but it's also like they make it so realistic like like it could actually happen Okay, okay. Okay. It's kind of sick. I loved it. That's one of my favorite movies. You don't have to like I watch I'll give it a try. You said it's good wage lawyers number one of your list know cuz it's fighting movie. You'll resonate with okay? Okay. I'm actually pretty damn picky when it comes to fighting moves. I'm sure you are you like to fight her know. That was true story though. Yeah. It was. Yeah. I like movies that are true. Like, I don't know something about when the real stories for sure. I like it. I don't like Creed. Yeah baby was too fake for me. I don't know to me. Yeah I'm saying but that's just that's why I'm hella picky about the fighters good fighter is he wanted the the brother Christian Bale? He won the Oscar for that. No, it was a good movie man. No award you with that kid needs. Yeah. It was a good movie. It's also another good boxing movie is a Manos the hands of town. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes movies. I saw that. What's his name? What's the run box? Yeah, well, you gotta watch that. That's actually when my favorite boxing. Rubika fire you get I watched the first I was younger man. It was the first like 20 minutes. It was all in Spanish and I didn't want to read this entire dust but I told you I'm trying to learn Spanish right now. Yeah, so maybe I should just wait a minute of the day Windows. Yes. I am. Sorry couldn't manager for the Kings speak Spanish and he he was called me or mono. So like saying that her model is this no worries. I'm not allowed to tell you I was going to say 12 think I don't know which also means brother but it's slang. Okay. It's like it's like but typically Mexicans would say that if he's from lazy he's making so he's makes good. Yeah, so say carnal be like a gangster. What's up, bro? All I know right now is that and like I don't understand. Can you please repeat? Yeah. Yep. No entiendo. Hey, they said pretty damn good. You said you get along with the serbians the best. Yeah, and they speak Spanish. Yeah, they do. Do you guys practice Spanish right. So with them since I got megill my equipment manager for them. I try to learn serve you in a little bit like just like the I don't want to actually speak it. I just want to be able to say things to them on the court cuz they're always talking to walk on the court. Nobody can understand them. Oh, so they talk to each other. Yeah, they say like this dude can't guard me but they're saying it's certainly don't nobody knows are saying so oh let us all know. What the hell I know like, but what if you guys get traded that's why I don't want to tell you wrong. Yeah, you might be right but they tell me some stuff. I brought that means brother and sir and served. Sorry a little off topic, but it's in Serbia. Their language is cool. Cuz their slang if they get tired of saying a word right so brought a b r a t e they get tired of saying it they'll cut it in half. It's kind of like page. No current half and they'll take the end and put it on the front. So it becomes tambra. It's weird. Right? What what what? What do you mean? They just made a whole new word exactly. But that means the same thing. So it'd be Tara Deborah instead of brought a yeah, just because they get tired of just because they're tired of saying brought it all the time. So it looks like let's change it up as wild right. Hey listen to every day. Yeah. So what gets you what how do you how do you mix well with them with the serbians? Like what is it that you guys leave them on this cuz you got shoot threes or what they do. Shoot threes a good and one thing I told somebody I forgot who it was today. I'm when I'm going to I'm going to a podcast with Kyle earlier later. And first thing it was Blake Blake was like, oh God how the white guy on the kings that motherfuking eschew issues as the first, they said at him and as a about the the second person to tell me that I actually haven't watched you playing which is like hold up, which is crazy cuz I'm a big King's friend. Yeah. Well, I I was playing mostly with stock that I guess I'm saying so that's why what you Is crazy but he told me the fact that everyone I've mentioned you was there like boy can shoot so is that what you guys connect from or how do you guys are sure? I mean mostly it's just a personality. They're just like namanya the he's just kind of like seems like he just you know, he first he's hilarious because like he looks like he just mad at the world all the time but really like he's he loves to joke and have fun and stuff and then Bogey's just like awesome dudes. One of the best players on the team like super super down-to-earth. So like I don't know man part of it is they were in their place killer to like he likes that last minute, you know, yeah. Yeah, he does he does he does he does and he picked and he the last few games on the bubble. He really picked it up. So he'll get paid this summer by hopefully working wage. Yeah, hopefully yeah, but he's going to get paid regardless and I just that we were always in the same room hanging out in the bubble and they were playing cards with us too. So like and I suck. Like soccer a lot and there were like, oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, I love soccer soccer is my favorite sport. I'm okay. Well so much more boxing. I tell people all the time boxing to me is not a sport bra this way life is life lifestyle. They say no sport to me is not I like that you see it as a sport. Yeah, but I don't soccer Bots. You know, what? Yeah between I love basketball too though. Yeah, but I might be real I put basketball first. Okay, I like basketball more but I love soccer. So I I'm going to sound like a baby when I say this is going to be like menu or or a real Madrid. Oh, but they suck now. Well, yeah, thank you. But but my favorite player for a long time Gareth Bale and so I was I was to the point on my buddies to play soccer in high school when I was starting to really pay attention to us. I got choose a team like I gotta I can't just be not room for somebody my friends one of my friends at home. Fan one of them's like Liverpool which I do like Liverpool now like LeBron has a share in all my stuff. That's kind of dope but Liverpool's fucking good. Yeah, they are fucking good G to home. Anyways, although it seems over. Yeah, but so I chose Real Madrid because Gareth Bale was there and he was my favorite player. And I think Ronaldo's one of the best ever. So I'd like that. So I and I was new to soccer so I chose them. So I've stuck with them all in Madrid. I mean, it's cool. What about sock? I didn't expect you like in soccer ball you hit me with a curb. All right now, I I mean, I like all sports honestly like yeah, but what about soccer attracted your name? What did you like? I just think I I think this is why I love LeBron so much is because when people hate on it, I tend to like it like people that in America think that soccer's born o yeah, na might not boring because what we do is basketball players our hands angry saying I know like what we do with our hands dribble in like they're doing that with their feet. You know, how hard that is like wage? I've tried and I can kick it well, but I can't dribble with the ball. Yeah, and so another thing about soccer players that people don't know they on average run ten miles a game. I was just going to sneak condition apart while to on average they run on average not all of them do but on average everyone ten miles a game. Yeah, and so they played three games and when we that's Thirty miles in one week. Yeah and people like people don't like the flop in them. Like people flopping basketball too. So like what are you doing? I don't name our desert way too much. I can't stand with yeah. I was going to say I don't like Neymar life has always cool come through right now. But he just He Flops line. So I see why people don't like that but like, you know people whose favorite soccer player it's not guaranteed not anymore because some some was around but he just left. Yeah. He didn't make the tunnel and Madrid they weren't playing them. So probably pulisic cuz he's from America wage. I can and he's playing Chelsea child playing we shall see. Yeah, and he's young super young. He's good and he's Rob G Arena he plays for Dortmund I think oh, yeah, he plays for Dortmund. He's he's was born in Dartmouth Dartmouth fans are fucking wild wild. I mean, I think I think they have the best fans in any sports in anything worldwide. I swear. Well, I never see no fans like going so check this out my freshman year at College in college basketball. They take you on a foreign trip home. We got to go to Spain. So I've seen Real Madrid stadium got a tour of it. I got a custom Jersey all that then we went to Valencia and I am stuck into a soccer game. There was my first soccer game I've ever saw. All right. Can I say Zone before you do that? That's the type thing about other countries. You can sneak into yours. For real. Yeah and Mexico soccer games all day. Yeah, right. Keep going. I'll tell you about that after the signal so cuz we were a little late there's only a half left, but we had never seen a soccer game especially in Europe. Oh you got a greatest so we went dead. Sick and then I convinced our coach to get let us go to the Barcelona game cuz we went to Barcelona. So I saw Messi score go on real life. That's like bucket list. I bought a jersey like I'm a I'm a I'm a little over messy fat hota wait. I thought you like Real Madrid. How do you buy a message? That's like the rifles. I know that but but broke like foam you're seeing one of the goats. Okay. OK Google first like Big Time game, you've ever seen like it's cracked. My Mancow guy lost some brownie points. I had to buy a new jersey. I'm like, I'm here now, but first time in Spain, like I had to I know no I got some I guess some words said that agree with you, but I was like, I don't care. I I you know, it's cool first time any got a header like five seven. So yeah, that's that is have you watched any do you watch soccer and like Latin America like Mexico or off? Copa libertadores South America. Have you ever watched I watched like the when they do the Copa libertadores. Yeah. We talked about Copa America Copa America, but I don't have very different. Yeah. Have you ever watched Mexican soccer? Or South America soccer with European soccer is way different. He'll a different the style European soccer like like Spain and England England is like the wage Premier League. That's like everyone's to play there. But South America is is there like fucking gangsters? Yeah, this is like that's awesome. It's like a whole know. This is a whole nother level. It's weird cause obviously Europeans got the more elite players, but the style play in the fans and the it's just different. Yeah. I just I was curious if you watch one and if you had to kind of know I haven't even decide adults. You got to pick one pick the right one pick the right one. Who do you like on the side in Mexico? I like while I gotta Chivas because I used the team that I like doesn't exist homework. Oh, okay, gotcha. So it was more melodic as more Delia, but they it was like the they don't exist somewhere. They got sold they changed the name. So I like cheapest cheapest. I was born in that City, but my like one of my top favorite team Boca Juniors from Argentina Buenos Aires, they're fucking raw Sienna. Yeah. But anyways, it's pretty dope. I mean, that's where like about soccer the soccer. So like a worldwide everything the only place where dead is us, but it's coming up this Republic and everybody get tighter right here by saving that this poem for them like Republic they going to start making that I'm Rena here soon. They should have but the Courvoisier part that I just made a team of Cincinnati too. So now I gotta oh I saw that and that FC Cincinnati shit. All right, so let's get back and check both. This is good wage. How's the NBA light bulb? Is it what you expected? Is it more than what you expected. Is it different? What is it? Like, it's pretty much what I expected. Yeah, a lot of travel, you know, you live in a suitcase down a lot for me. I'm on two teams technically. So there's 50 g League games. There's a 82 NBA games. Including playoffs. And so my I'm about to ask you how that cuz being in a game. I didn't mind the G League because there's players that do mind it. I know people don't like it and you know, I get it. It's it's when we have roommates. We don't understand a five star hotel, but like I never grew up living like that anyway, so this is nothing new to me and we fly commercial and people don't like that. I'm like we had a g league and he fly commercial you get the miles off. I'd take advantage of that. I've already bought. I've already bought I already bought three free flights, which is where my miles so that was the best part and I'm I'm serious. I'm serious and you know, maybe one day I'll make a push to try to give the NBA some miles to cuz we Charter but I didn't mind it. But my my road trips home could be longer than name. But like I I went on a 26 day road trip once because I played a week on the road with G league and then I got called up to the NBA team and they were on a two-week road trip. So I was gone for 26. Days like that stuff. I got two dogs wife at home. Like I was about to bring up the wifey. Yeah, how is it? I'm a she's she knows what she signed up for us though. She's she's cool. You don't get upset. Yeah. No and she got a job and she got out here now so she can like bring this up because Bobby about this go ahead talking. He said he said everything was cool until FaceTime happened. He said FaceTime is were fucked up my marriage. It's off. He said he's in my wife. He's on my wife was like, let me see. Let me see the bathroom. Let me see this side Bobby's fault. That's not I can't speak on that exactly. In fact, he's in the wrong environment. But no, she's she knows what know she yeah. She's a good wife. You guys got a good relationship is a healthy relationship with something about FaceTime or now. If you are healthy, you're good. Exactly. Sorry Bobby for bringing up facedown. We had a full-on conversation about the real fucking diet, but Bobby Bobby's yep. So it's good to talk about his marriage. Oh, yeah, by the way your marriage video I saw on IG. Oh, yeah. Oh that's it was fucking fire. She was expensive better than fire was expensive and should have told Ricky. He wouldn't hit record. He would have been there in there with a camera just came out of here record home. So they're called the film poets. And that's all I do is waiting videos and they're my wife was a YouTuber for a long time over. Yeah blogger. She's trying to get back into it, but she she got away from whatever and so they she saw their videos called the film poets their dope and they did a fantastic job with with our video man. Like I thought it was awesome. He looked hella good. I like I like how I got your conversation with you said at the beginning and you're saying I watched it. I actually watched it like three times and then I showed it to my wife and that was probably the worst thing off. They're the same as my wife was like why didn't we do that? There's something about Whitesboro like my wife. I tell her like this I'd be like, I love your fucking crazy ass and all she would here is crazy. I'm crazy what you mean? I'm crazy my deleting. I hear what I said before I said, I love your yeah, but I said, I love you like that. No, but why am I crazy? That's how women are anyway, you know subject again. I wanted to ask you of India. So you went to India with the team bro. How was India when was India like I'm glad I went. Okay He didn't want to go again. I'm glad I went in the fashion that we did like we flew on Drake's playlist and we you know, which is obviously one of the nicest planes the noise Vine I've ever been on probably one of the nicest out there and but but and took was we play Blu-ray the whole time on the flight 18 hours like just as long as flying. I know right Eighteen With One Stop and we get their name and it just it just smells different. That's just how most countries are just kind of a different smell so that took a while to get used to and then we get there and it's just cause we're in a very poverished city where the Taj Mahal is is actually a very run-down City. There's Cows are holy animals, they're so you can't touch them. Even if they're if they're like dying and begging for food. You can't touch them what so there's dead cows. There's dogs and monkeys all just like running like the raccoons through the trash like language. Is this a dead dog? Just laying on the side of the ground like we're just driving through this and it's it's good perspective for sure like she loves to do with what you got man cuz it can be way worse and you know, they don't really high jeans not like a big thing over there. So I heard that Bobby told me that they couldn't shower until like hella hours later cuz the travel was on the far especially like that. All right, keep going. We went straight to the Taj Mahal when we got there which is hygiene is not that big know and then there's a rumor. I don't know if it's true. I I from what I heard the rumor is from some of the locals is that if someone tries to shake you with the shake hands with you with their left hand, that means they do not like you because sometimes they went through Thursday. For the left-hand dead-ass I believe about here. I've heard I never heard the wiping ass part. But yeah, I know let's say there's a stressful but there's no mal-intent behind it. You know what I mean? So but what if you're right-handed you think they're so I don't know. Anyways, I don't want to prove that right? I don't either but like so like this is just you know, I'd real question is did anyone shake your hand with the left? No, nobody did so everybody everyone liked. Yeah. It went like this. We had two games. They're against the Pacers which was dope off first game. We had we went to Mumbai and Agra which was where the Taj Mahal was from Mumbai was second. There's twenty million people there. That's three times the size of New York and like almost ten times the size of LA. Like the traffic was unbelievable. Number one number two, they they didn't really fast. Huge over there. So like Cricket, right? Yeah, they love Cricket which I learned a lot about actually that used to be a three-day long sport for one game damn back in the day off topic again. But anyways, and so the first night we played only kids were allowed which was dope because they got hype if you just laid the ball up cuz they didn't know it was going on. They loved it a dunk. They would go crazy. Like I went up and dunk like the most suck duck possible in like these kids are like trying to high-five you going crazy, which was dope made me feel good. But then over like LeBron over there and all I do is just bring like this and then the second night wasn't as fun because anybody could come so it was mostly adults and they don't understand the rules yet, so they weren't very excited. Because they didn't know what was going on. But Priyanka was there one of the most famous actors actresses from from India she was there so I got to meet her and then there was some there was definitely some cool things about it. I'm just I'm not going to go back and I'm glad if it would have been a shitshow if I had to have it show of I had to like walk planned an Airbnb and how we going to get around always been a nightmare. So you have to go the way you did you have to find re-explain. Yeah, you gotta find Jake's playing you gotta be that way all this rap. Yeah Coke. Yeah cool springs, but what do you see yourself as in your basketball career? What do you what do you see yourself doing in the NBA? What's your goal should tell me about that gold man. I really I've always I'm just I want to be known as a winner. So like I don't really have too many individual goals as she wanted a dog. Championships have the Kings one hundred percent. Hopefully I like right. Well this year the goal is to make the roster like to be not playing from both teams. Full-time Kings. That's number one Goldberg. I don't like losing. I'm competitive and pretty much everything just like the black car first. I was you didn't see it. But I was competitive. Like I really hope she kind of pissed if a white car goes first. So technically I saw one plane. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean that's the main goal is just be known as a winner be the best teammate I can be and and you know, obviously like be able to provide for you know myself and my family that's cool. So good to go. I like that girl. I see you got a vote shirt on I wanted to ask you about that. Yeah. We're before I ask you about that. I also noticed that you're big on military military a huge using your family. Yeah dead. Give me a little background on that. I like how prideful you're about that and how much you care. Like how big it is and how important it is. Yeah, so I'm just going to answer both your questions. I want so long. My dad's a marine my total. You said that a lot this first I'm assuming you're very close to your dad dad and mom probably just because you know, they're the ones that I talked about the most football or basketball or you know, yeah more and more in common. I'm close to my mom. But yeah, my dad and my step dad. I'm really close with okay, cuz we do everything, you know together mostly but my dad my real dad is he's a Marine my grandpa two of my grandfather were in the Army. My uncle is a marine his wife. My aunt is in the Navy like I just got my cousins at the Naval Academy right now. So I just got military all around me and ever cross your mind 200 off. Close it did cross my mind. But you know, I I'm not as Brave as they are to like actually put my life on the line. You know, I love playing War as a kid growing in the backyard, you know what I mean? But like actually having bullets come at me, bro. I'll have the courage they do. Yeah. So my way of supporting is showing that support as you saw and so once a month I do this thing called dinner with a vet and take a veteran out and their family owned by on the dinner and just kind of let them know they're appreciated and just shoot the shit. It's not really anything big but like so I do that and yeah, that's big boy. Yeah, but I'm saying it's not like a production or whatever and so, how do you come up with the vet? Like, how do you find the vet the Kings? Help me find somebody in Sacramento just cuz I'm new here so I don't really know anyone but like if if they find somebody that usually will either will do the dinner and then in a normal season, I would give them tickets and stuff, but I haven't been able to do that obviously so but yeah, I just and dead. In direct correlation to voting and all that stuff. Like I kneeled down in the bubble for the national anthem and most people's first reaction is like, oh you don't support the military. May I know I'm probably the biggest military supporter you're going to find but like it has no correlation to the military. Like why people are kneeling. Yeah. I mean like it's not home. I'm kneeling because the military sex or you know, I hate America I want it is it's kneeling for the Injustice has and trying to you know, bring all those situations to to light so we can make a difference. So I have a number seven. Yeah, but the military man, I just it's like some of the movies I want to make her Loosely based military just because it's just I just love it. I think it's something that is not quite talked about enough like the transitions from being in Iraq or Afghanistan coming back to America PTSD homelessness, you know, there's a lot of a lot of issues that I'm that I'm Panthers. About so as that man. Have you seen that video of Kaepernick with yeah. Yeah. What do you think about it? You tell me when he was talking to the the the vet with that was all pissed off. He was a Niner fan. It was pissed out that he started kneeling. Yeah, and I saw I also saw he Kaepernick reached out to the military before he did it. I didn't know that he reached out to somebody in the military was like do you view like you would you view this as like being disrespectful and the dude said like some people are but I it's I'm pretty sure if she read like the flag code I did, you know talking about yeah, I had a friend sent it to me is not it's not disrespect it was that you have in that you found your some sort of investment that you're kind of thought you knew down. When a brother or somebody's in in pain in her or someone is struggling you kneeling down help their have somebody. Yeah, but it's just there's some sort of adjustment or something. Not something is hurt that they want to bring shed light 200% So if you like if you technically if you want to get super technical, which a lot of people do. Yeah, but then I bring up the real Technical and they don't but like the flag says like it's nothing's wrong with it. It's actually encouraged. So yeah, so just lost his damn job. Oh, I know crazy. I know. He won't right. How how was the bubble? How was covid-19 NBA? Yeah. It was it was weird man. We were since I like For three months we didn't do anything with the Kings like we worked out on our own a little bit. Just trying to stay ready. We didn't know if we were going to finish the season a lot of I personally think God what fucked up the kids cuz we were bombing before that. Yeah, personally. That's my personal opinion. I could be also be me just trying to make myself being biased I hear you. I mean, I think it messed up a lot of teams. Yeah, and I you know, some teams just one just a little bit more talented. So it's easier for them to come back from it, you know, like the Lakers or something like that, but it messed up a lot of teams and I thought we had our opportunity made the playoffs and we you know, we blew it that's on us. So like I would say that probably has something to do with it. But you know, yeah, they change the subject. I'll get my life. So how long you been in Sacra? I moved here in August of last year. I've been here over here over you. Have you started saying hello yet I'm saying hello before cuz the Midwest is like a culmination of everything. So there's hello there. Yeah, they say. Hello. They say that's that's like we say everything because it's like you get half of the east coast and half of the West. I don't know just meet in the middle interesting but I didn't think you said that what's your favorite restaurant out here and yeah, probably fixings. Oh, yeah. It's just that the swage. Hey the Kool-Aid and they're clear to everything to come through the podcast one of these. Yeah. I'll talk to him. Anyways, I went to the grand opening with Bobby actually. Yeah, I mean if you didn't notice I golf with him like Bobby, I don't know if you know Bobby's be my man for like, you know crazy part Bobby was my favorite basketball player growing up I loved, and then I got the chance to meet him. And I'm now he's that's my home close speaking of like he just texted me and knowing that Bobby Bobby's tight as fuck. I love mommy. Anyway, so you like fixings. What would you recommend anyone that's trying to make the league or that you know, what not and trying to make the lead. I've heard that one before when we recommend anybody that's going through that same type of adversity that you were going through the year that you fail & lost to a 16 seed. They're going to that same Tire adversity. They're getting bullied on the internet are getting people should talking to them you have that person in front of you right now. You can't use the same line. Your coach told me I would have said that for sure that'll be in my speech to the okay. So we're going to tell that person honestly, I would just make sure that they understand that you cannot succeed without some type of failure like you there's There's not one person that can and I would say you need to make sure that this hurts and remember what it feels like every single day when you wake up and like that, you know, and when we want to make sure I still think about it every day, but it doesn't hurt as much because I I went through the pain to redeem myself, you know what I mean and redeem ourselves so it doesn't hurt anymore. But back that next year. That's your hurt every single day to wake up. Somebody bullying you somebody looking at you crazy somebody saying even though we were the next year 31 and two again last two games a whole year and they're still saying it ain't going to work. So I would make sure they know that the the the pain is number one is temporary. But number two, it's a necessity and phone number that you're if you're not if you're failing that means you're getting closer to success. Yeah. So every time you know, it's like that picture where the dudes like knocking down the the walls trying to get to the diamond he turned off. So if you just keep knocking man, you'll get this it's just I know for a fact that success or failing is stepping stone to success in life that give me tell me something about you that not that many people know something that no one really knows share a secret. I mean one starting boxing and I love boxing. So that's one of them that they probably get that if I'm on the podcast, right but not all that's been on the podcast box. That's true. So that's true. But that is a good one. So you like buying yeah, so I am super just I just dive headfirst into any sport that I'm trying to pick up. I'm doing golf at the same time as this too. So Bobby's a fucking gopher. Oh, yeah. I've golf with him. He's good good. I can't hang with them. I don't fuk with that. Well, I want to go for it and one time and I'm fuck y'all I never doing this shit again killed my confidence. Well, yeah, he's too good good. Yeah, he's home. Good, I'd say. We brought the movie thing I'd say. I love Broadway musics music and musicals and shows like I love that shit. I don't know why I grew up kind of my grandparents loved it. So I grew up going to this little spot Monday that had Broadway shows but it you know, it's an Indian actually Broadway, but I just I don't know like Hamilton you heard of him to seeing Hamilton you seen it. I've never seen it but I heard of it the music man is so sick. It's like there's rap in there. There's Rock in there. There's hip-hop. Like there's just musicals like it's super dope. I don't know why I love that. I saw him once in live in Chicago long. That's my shitt. I don't know why cool like that there anything you want to add to the podcast for our end it you want to say, I think we covered a lot of stuff going on all over the place. I figure that's how it would be with casual conversation conversation. I appreciate you having no problem anything. How can people stay in touch with how can people follow you? How can people Instagram and Twitter College a guy named? I I'm pretty active on their Snapchat is also kind of Jag I actually and you know, I'm pretty reachable. I look at my DMs a lot off respond to everything cuz you know, you got a lot but you know any business inquiries or you need some motivation or whatever. I'd like to choose a few a week to to respond to so that's cool. I like that. All right, man. We're going to end it here. Thank you again for joining me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge or story. So thank you for being taken my money too much. I gotta pay off and forget that don't forget. I'm an we out.

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Sam Is the world famous very educated very smart host of the braves. dugout. podcast little the Sam know that I have a love for the Atlanta braves in I look forward to having a conversation. So Sam Welcome to the show. Thanks so much Panamanian nude a new hat is my head still pretty big right now. I like I. Like to build you up. My friend builds yet world-famous. You liked that right or the CAST is number one in Portugal or something like that. Hey, that's all. Let me tell you I don't know how long you've been doing this podcast thing. I'm probably about half a year. But for some crazy reason, I have a huge following in Canada the UK. Why? Yeah it's really interesting. Yeah. I don't know why it's so strange to me, but I'll take it. I've made some really good friends along the way from Canada. So I guess maybe that's why here. But Anyway, let's get into the podcast real quick again thanks for getting on and shooting the Shit with me today I do want to talk baseball. I know you're a baseball expert I, consider myself a baseball expert and after. Doing. Research on you. I. Don't think I'm anywhere near the as much as our expert on baseball or stats that you are but real quick before we get into that can you just let everybody who you are maybe a little personal inter where you live what you do married Bubba type of stuff. Sure. Yeah. So my name's Sam People's earned the braves dugout podcasts we focus mostly on digging doing too deep dives into stats try to get away from fan bias and really give out true statistics and how well players are doing versus stepping in plated based on team by Ser fan bias, a cyber analysts by trade. My real job I guess you could say and I to thank them my analysis skills transfer over pretty well with analyzing stats on married with almost four year old daughter enjoying life and. I just I feel like. I've done a few decades of studying stats in baseball and I felt like I realize a lot of people out there just not that they're uneducated. It's just that they haven't taken the time to learn stats as much as I have and I figured that it's my turn to give back. So you said you're real GIG or whatever is a cyber analyst. So do you think some of that like you? Was the baseball statistician. Love you did that is that how you Kinda got in the CIDER cyber analysts you think Yeah I would say my love for baseball was definitely before that, I, think my head just kind of leans towards statistics analyzing things. I've always really analyze stuff almost to a fault. Always. Seem to be that guy in a conversation with someone says something on Mike well actually. You're the reasonable guy though you're the guy that makes sense we should listen do. that. Due. To the love for baseball come well, I grew up and my actually grew up across the pond from my grandparents and huge braves fans. So on TBS, braves baseball is a big thing back in the day and I would go over to their house in the evenings and watch the games with them, and then I started playing baseball a little bit late I. started playing was about nine years old and in my cousins of Mike Presents at my grand- my other grandparents on the other side of the. Family owned a farm and we'd go there in the summers and mural big into collecting baseball parts of my love for baseball came all around the same time and I just fell in love with the sport yet especially I mean I know people I live in Texas just by the way and I'm not Dallas Cowboys Fan by any means I. Hate Him I actually think I hate the cowboys more than I. Like my own team. But Anyway, my point is here in Texas they say that the cowboys are America's team will at some point in time the braves became of that because of tbs because even if you didn't have cable or wherever you live everybody had TV s, you know the old movies that type of stuff. So back in the day, like you said, braves were always on TV. So I think that and. I think that's still continues but I think that's why they had such a massive love for their team or their franchise and there is and you know this I'm sure there's many many years that they were very, very bad. Yes. Absolutely. I think one year they went from worst to first. So that was he was a nineteen, ninety one I'll show my age here. I was I just went to college and That's when sid bream may went from worst to first the slide at the plate and all that. Those are those are wonderful memories in my life of being a breaks fan. I think that that's a favorite memory among many people because I just interviewed someone this week actually and I asked him. So what's your favorite memory all time with the braves and without hesitating he said that exactly Y- because that. was really if you think about braves baseball even now that was the catalyst for a long run of expertise. Some would say and I'm GonNA ask your opinion. Some would say a such fifteen years of winning the division I, mean just the greatest starting rotation of baseball that anybody will ever have as a complete whole into just win one world series is that is that the buffalo bills type of football mentality? That, you think the braves have had or well see being brace fan. So wrong I like to be excited that we win their main division titles does not many people have done it but when you us step away and you look at the rest of the sports world, that's how they view they really they look at the braves as you've won this main division titles and only one world series. So yeah, you're. Good regular season but ultimately, you're jokers and a really you know kind of hurts but to be it's Kinda though I can see you know and and we'll get into briefly very briefly what I used to work for braves during those times and as a somebody I, love of the Atlanta braves it is Kinda true. You know it is Kinda true. We were that good into just be that one special year is. Incredible to me and I can tell you I will get into so much. But I love the sixty m season that we're doing right now I I mean there my pick there might pick not because they're my team I think they're hot I. Think they're great I think they got a hell of a lineup and and I just hope I'm not wrong you know, right? Yeah but it's it's interesting to me. You know you're at how old are you saying I'm thirty. Okay. So a little bit younger than me. So what is your? When? When did it click to you and say, Hey, I'm gonNA look up these stats or being expert of like you said, the analysts are analytics of the sport like when when did that start? Well, I've always been huge on reading the back of Baseball Cards Backman House teeing for a while before the Internet was real big on looking up things on baseball reference or whatever. You could buy a stat book from. All the players from the year before by that read all the stats and then a analytics really started getting big which really I would associate status getting real big when Mike Trout came up because that's when people realize how good this guy was because he was so good that they had to find a way to really show how truly good he was and they started digging into everything and that's when you might hear the term like wins above replacement or a runs created plus or on base plus slugging plus or justed are weighted on. Base average and stuff like that. All these crazy stats he might not have heard of olden days is because really get into stats around Mike Trout. In run that time just wow, what we thought was true stats were really just flashy ones that could have to do with lochore who they were playing against the new stats nowadays, they just for across the entire league but I would say that as far as really digging into stats, I would say the past seven or eight years or so two thousand twelve issue is when analytics getting really. Big I started getting really interested in it and a lot of people say a lot of people but some people they don't want to look into that because they stats very easy to manipulate manipulate to prove a point that you know your favorite player is so good. But when you take the new stats, it takes all that out of it and says, no, no buddy. This is the league average. This is where your players at this is where this flare is your players could mean there in the major leagues in All Star what a Good as this guy, I'm just being there. NYQUIL. That's just your opinion on like nowadays with discs we have now you can take the opinion out or. Do you do you do it doesn't mean is it just the baseball thing or do you do it for other sports too for your own joy of Gorz? Are I really don't have enough time to do other other deep dives? I guess you could say into Baseball I do play fantasy football. I regret. The Yeah I run a League that I've rancher about ten years now and my streak. I won three years in a row the week three years in a row in mice. This beating me last year ended my street in I ended up in seventh place though all night we do keep your legal, which means you get to keep up to three from each each year which I like because you have to do when you make a trade or pick up, you have to look years in the future but all my guys to get old. Yeah you got your planning out go to guys. Yeah people like you breeze he's he's getting older still good or like Tom Brady he's will be known as the best of all time but. He didn't see why he doesn't get the point to us. So you have an opinion of like you said, the best of all time. So is there somebody in baseball that you're like he's the best of all time it may be before your time I mean, is there anybody that stands out to? You are the best all time with astor's is barry bonds not even really close okay and I and I go for the simplicity of Pete. Rose right Yeah. So two different I mean same thing really honestly same thing but to me I mean Just a hitting machine right? Right. What that will lead. You brought that up because that will dig into a Pete Rose was hitting machine yet but yet use a single machine. Yea Absolutely. You didn't walk that much in very many home runs. He didn't admit doubles. He had a ton of hits, but all he did was hit single little slap thing right? I mean that's good. What he did don't get me wrong. was fantastic it enough to be in the hall of fame. But. He's not. He's way people that love Pete Rose don't realize that you know if you actually look at stacks like on base plus long percentage like how much base versus how how well did he how how important were the hits that he hit in a sense of like a homerun obviously is much more valuable than a single sure nor doubles way more valuable than single it it's all about. Run production like how many runs can you produce as a teen? If all you're doing is hitting singles that's great. 'cause you're going to get on base, but someone could have a much lower batting average but it more hit for higher slugging percentage in they would produce more runs in game is score more runs than your own. So for guys like I. Don't know Ricky Henderson, for example. In nearly as many his be rose dude hit for power he had speed on the basepaths good on defense over his overall body of work. Many people would say someone like Pete. Rose. was a better player than Ricky Henderson because around me NC had. Overall Body of work. Ricky Ricky Henderson hasn't by Lance. Sure. I could see that absolutely and WHO's the Modern Day Barry Bonds in your eyes right now I mean is it is it Mike Trout or one hundred percent I was? Does that guy? Say I need a new team? I don't think he's hurt and he just signed a four hundred million dollar contracts. So I think he's I don't think he's there you have did not want to win. Well, you know at the passing I mean I get it I understand he's and he's always in the conversation of the greatest player every year and I'm sure that means something to him and four million dollars obviously means voter a million things them but I mean eventually you WanNa win right but he he has seriously handicapped his team with that contract. He's worth. Don't get me wrong but he sees bringing up players around in the angels they'd never do a good job of building a farm system and what that means is the Minor Leagues Right Yep have minor league challenge coming up. That's the way teams like the Brazier, able to compete because they bring up minor linger minor leaguers and they don't have to pay them a lot of their payroll and then they still in the gaps with free agent will with Mike. Trout. So much the salary and then they signed a Anthony Rondonia as well with issues contract in our crucials also has a huge Taiji at three players eaten up like. Fifty. percent of your payroll, it's really hard to compete Yup. Pigeonholes you're are you a are you a fan? Yeah he's a he's fantastic. I hate that the past few years these kind of off, but he's a hall of Famer. No, no doubt year. Do you an and it's funny bringing up no, I've I've listened to briefly a few of your podcast and I, and I've read some things about you I know you always have this debate about the hall of fame. So I do too and I think one of your latest was about Andrew Jones is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. Tell me your story there and then I'm gonNA share my personal story. Okay. That works. actually I WANNA recant in. I. Said Barry Bonds is the best of all time He's best modern day I would think I want to go back and say they revisit best of all time. Yeah, and I listen everybody says that but I I've never said that because I can't relate I. have no idea. But as far as people we've remember. Seeing Yeah Yeah. So let's get the Barry. Bonds Real quick. So Barry Bonds for my tenure. Baseball career, not playing baseball working for baseball. Barry bonds around the whole entire time and I have nothing. But Nice things to say the guy was always a gentleman. He was wonderful to us in the clubhouse. But the whole thing was it's Barry Bonds like you knew he knew he was very bonds and he major you newly was barry bonds. In rightfully. So you know there are some people in that superstar. Echelon that didn't have time to say hi to you. You know he was not one of them. He was always courteous. Always. Nice. Always thankful. He would never walk in and say, Hey, tim he he may have not known my name. Okay. But oddly enough that franchise the giants I got very close to them. When I worked for the braves, they actually wanted me to do some time with the giants as well. So I knew the clubhouse manager and all that. So I spent a ton of time with the giants organization while I worked with the braves every time they were in don't get me wrong I was tired of losing to them in the playoffs. But you have a barry was a good guy and I know he gets a bad rap and there isn't Asterik. Did he cheat didn't you cheat? That's a whole different podcast. We can go on for hours in my last visit was great for baseball. I. Put it back on the map. The guys still had to put the bat on the ball. It is what it is I mean people watch wrestling still right in that shit's fake. So what's the difference? In that Sammy Sosa Mark mcgwire those remind time in in in the League in I. Mean You WanNa talk about the most exciting time in baseball in the last thirty years? It was then right in it I think steroids is far I. Know that tarnished his Ford at the time. RIGHT AFTER THE STRIKE A. Strike in attendance and watching was at no time. Love their know the Major League baseball was losing money steroids came in you had great home run battle between Sammy Sosa marmer wire it truly did revive Major League baseball so much entertainment so much entertainment. I'm pretty sure right before all this was cal ripken's last game you know I mean it just really it really really really just started this movement of a solid ten years of baseball. And I could be honest with you I think baseball needs another jolt in the arm right now you know I, enjoy it I. Watch it every day. It's one of my favorite sports I I can watch team that I don't even follow where in half these players I don't even know anymore you know but it's just a sport that I enjoy it's kind of an old timer sport do you do you? Agree. Yes. The I agree with that because in one thing that's unfortunate about that is the sport like you said, it needs needed Joe and there's been rumors and deciding says, proved it that they've doctored the balls to point now too where home runs every single year for the past four years if broken the record for most home runs hit throughout the lead. So you don't have like one guy hitting tunnel home runs. You have somebody hitting under from rooms throughout what point you get to wear too much the good thing and it gets kind of saturated. You know. Yeah. So Andrew Jones tell me tell me your story on Andrew Jones Right? He should. It shouldn't be in. Okay. So ultimately should be in I think he won't be at first foul he's already proven that it'll be well, I'll say this, he's a borderline. And in the way I like to two things. I like to look at is he he did have a fantastic and he fell off hard right. But one ways you can really look at a player is you can look at their overall body of work right that includes their offense, their defense in their face running ability. That's a lot of people get too caught up in just often said numbers very easy to understand. If you re you can. You can understand home runs you can understand batting average without digging too far into right. But if you if you look at Andrew, Jones one thing that really liked to look at with players is the first thing I look at is, what is it career which is wins above replacement and that's a it's obviously not a perfect stat, right but if you're going to look at one. Stat real quick to be able to tell how the player was war factors in everything in factors. Defense factors offense if factors in base running if factors in a players range factors in everything. So you're able to get a quick look and the average center fielder in the hall of fame has a has a career war wins above replacement of seventy one and their seven year peak is forty four and Andrew Jones peak. Year peak was forty six in his career was a little bit lower than the average at sixty two, and if you don't know war is wins above replacement. That means if you were to take a player from the minor leagues and bring them up in any, replace him with player. If that's let's say that player had a war to that season that means theoretically if you had if you replaced a AAA player got. Brought up a what's known as a replacement player in you replace them with a Andrew Jones Andrew Jones had a three season. That means if you were supposed to win ninety two games, you would have worn ninety five right. So that's what will really stands for but it's really easy way to look and see the one thing. I really WANNA stick look at Zerwas called defensive war they take just just the defense, right? And they take a factor in everything factor in range factor in arm strength, they factor in route running, figuring all of that a lot of people seem to get stuck on putouts and joining percentage. Well, you gotTa look at the main thing that people forget to look at is range in route running because if you you're voting percentage might not be as high as someone else but if someone has the ball hit to them every time and they. Don't get and they catch it. I mean they're supposed to catch it their major leaguers or really sets guys apart is people like Angie got, Jones that were getting to balls that no one else to get what if you get if you look at the defensive war leaders in Outfield, he's the best defensive outfielder of all time he defensive wars and accumulative stat, which means that you know you get to war one year to for the next year and accumulates. Now, there might be some people on at their peak there was better defense but if you look at his entire career as accumulated in, that is how you determine our famer other than maybe Sandy Koufax only had twelve years you look at their overall career. If you look at the cumulated defensive stats that age Jones has east the best of all time it's great. It's crazy stats right there my friend. So when they when they choose and you can educate me on this when they choose for the hall of fame and I know the ballot process. But when they choose the WHO gets in our these type of stocks that you're talking about considered or near leaning that with the. you're starting to see that nowadays they're starting at more on. That's why I don't really share with you that they don't say in because this right but you guys like Omar Vizquel and stuff that are getting votes solely on his body of work because yeah, he was a good player but if you just looked at as offensive numbers, you never would've voted him but he's getting votes because his overall body work was was fantastic. Gotcha who's your favorite brave of all time Oh man Use Your go to guy I would stay my favorite watching. was in very long, timeless Gary Sheffield. Road watching him play. Be Funny Funny Story About him so So he he he had the following in the outfield chef's chef's right. I was his chef so. That was my job. So when and I wish I guarantee I haven't somewhere now you're GonNa make you look send you a picture of it but he made me a t shirt that said chef's chef's with my pitcher in his number on it was great I said yes and I was so mad that I wasn't the one that came up with that but man, what are what a wonderful guy you WanNa talk. About a guy that could swing the bat with velocity Jesus. Yes. Do did not hit a moon shots he hit line drives when yeah he was and he was solid as a rock good. Guy Kinda quiet be honest with you but he he was great. That's funny that not many people say that that's your favorite brave. He didn't have a lot of time on the on the team. Yeah that that's really cool. Yeah. That that brings back smiling because it brings a lot of memories back. So do so do you follow basketball NBA? I. Follow ice followed loosely I mean I know who's good like in. I follow very loosely to I'm a huge college basketball fan. Maybe my favorite sport are not very big of an NBA saying and I guess, but like I watch it was on last night I'll watch it tonight. Whatever's I'll watch anything that's a sports be honest with you I'm a sports fanatic but again I can I can turn away for an hour and turn it back on I'm fine but I'm only asking you. Because I'm not a huge Lebron James Fan by any means I think the guy is fantastic but just the other day and it made me think about this recording with you after the game they were I. Don't know if you've seen this. That's why I'm bringing up. They asked him about the MVP voting for league and to make a long story short he goes on to say that he's pissed off and it doesn't mean that. The guy that one shouldn't have won, but he goes on lissome statistics of why other people not even himself maybe would have been better candidate based on statistics in the whole time I'm listening to him rant amount of fan of his I'm like this guy's actually kinda right in announced sitting here listening to you talk about stats and all that stuff in the hall of fame I think it's become more popular vote correct yes, I. Think now that computers and stuff are involved where he can use algorithms and all that stuff. Yeah we did a lot easier to understand I think I think that's the case I heard. That is funny because the people that have been watching basketball for forty years said the honest was by far MVP but then you have the younger guys that actually follow statistics more more them talking about now the Brian had a better overall season. Yeah and I and I I'm the I don't know who should have been or couldn't be on that much detail. I mean, obviously, the boundaries is wonderful great I get it like I said, I'm not a big fan and honest wonderful year but he started talking and using comparisons of other smaller awards and his his reasoning was spot on like like how is this not this somebody is the defensive player of the year but make second team defense. How does that even happen? In that and use that as an analogy needs correct. You know then anything it shows. That voters are human. Yeah absolutely. Absolutely, and then I think you know the all star Game I mean Jeez that has become a one hundred percent popularity thing I think maybe the Baseball Major League Baseball All Star, Games, my favorite one the every other sports all star game is trash. It's terrible. But those are just literally popular votes for the most part very rarely. Do you get somebody in there? You're like, how does that? You know what? I mean? Yeah. But so braves wise what what crushes so I worked for brace for ten years I can only tell you what I know but is there anything I know your podcast is called Braves Dugout on we? I spent many many many thousands of games days in the DUGOUT I've. Seen over ten thousand baseball games in my life to baseball games and what on your mind or what do you maybe have a question of what go on or how things work clubhouse that I can help you out man that's an awesome question. Yeah. The really you know we don't get to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff and I really really enjoy hearing stories like I was talking to Jay Chapman who for the braves. Minor Leagues and then he got traded clubs us talking about how you went up positioning. Brian. And how you told him that Brian McCain asked him what you outage new told him. You know a change or something like that in the guy through change and on three in. Okay. Onto Count in the guy and he shook him up Jay Chapman chicken. In the Brian I can't remember with Brian McCain or tyler it was Kanye and he goes and Brian McCann's don't. You ever shake me off again hours spirit. Is there a I don't know. Is there any guys Maybe you know someone like mark cake is right now is a very quick guy. You don't really get to see his help his fun loving side zoo is earning guys urine into that. Maybe a lot of nine a bad rep for you know the way they acted, but they're actually super really nice guys. Yeah. I think there's a handful of I think the misconception is in any sport. Is these are million dollars people you know they they don't. They don't care about us and Intel I worked in a sport as baseball. I think he said it earlier like the guy got forty million dollars deserves it. I used to think like this overpaid superstars but these guys earn their money and. I go to work I work all day today I work ten hours. That's my job. These guys were ten fifteen hours as well. They don't just show up ten minutes before the game. You know it's kind of a fraternity ish for shore in clubhouse you still have your. Cliques pitchers are usually with the pitchers. You know there's people that. Love Video Games and I'm talking ten. I haven't been doing it for ten twelve years. Now you know video games wasn't as they were now but we everybody played video games and then you have the people playing checkers and then you may have had the people that were reading books or praying you know. So it was just like nothing different than a big college dorm type thing but you always had that mystique of these guys are superstars right I started when I was twenty four years old twenty, five years old. So I was at. All right. So I walked in my first day in. Nineteen. Ninety seven. nineteen nine hundred ninety seven guests are maybe ninety eight, whatever in ninety seven 'cause which year was the strike was it ninety five, ninety, six, frank was ninety four believe. Okay. So yeah, and so then the Olympics game and then I started at the new stadium very first day after the Olympics Turner Field and I remember walking in there and being so intimidating and within a short period of time on like these guys are first of all my half of more younger than me. But some of them were Fred mcgriff was there when I walked in that guy was older me at that point Dan you know and. These are people that are just no different than you and I and they do get bad raps you the Chipper Jones of the world you know literally almost my whole career in a large portion of his I. Mean I've seen the guy four or five times a week. You know when he always got he's snotty. He don't pay attention. You know he doesn't want to be involved with the fans. That's so untrue. You know I can go back to like Ryan Klesko I don't know if you remember him. He wasn't I mean he was good. You know and everybody thought he was a bad ass and. What about the John Rocker days? That was my juries right I mean you want to talk about it somebody had had it bad right and I mean he blew himself but I mean there's always this mystique of these guys that are not true because it's just what you guys see or hear or read about them accents absolutely. Yeah, and and again they're no different than us. You know they put a ton of work in you know they lose a playoff game they're just as bad as you in me watch the TV budget professionals they know they have to bounce back and play another game the next day you know. It's quite it's quite impressive and I'm sure things have changed over the years that I haven't done it. It's quite impressive to see the clubhouse managers and even the batboys these back boys weren't fifteen years old these Rabat boys I worked with twenty five years old and gone to Georgia Tech. You know these are adults you know, and I'm still friends with most of them I've. Made tremendous friends with many many people along the way Sam I mean at one point in time you know I I I I used to think Bobby Consoles my second dad and not because I could call him on the phone but the ten hours eight hours a day that I'd spend at the stadium with the guy treated me like a son you know. Yeah. So and And I always joke I used to every Sunday for almost ten years UC breakfast with Hank Aaron who can say that you know and all these people For the most part in in the eye of the public artist magnificent huge superstars. But I learned real quick that they're just just like you and I they're no different than you and I you know because one day they're done and they move on with their lives and and who cares they have a lot more money but the experiences that they go through it's you know they have a skill you know. I, it's quite impressive but the whole operation itself from start to finish from how those guys get to the stadium where they park, how they get their uniforms, how they eat which I was in charge of you name it and the films in Rehab and the workout and who needs this who needs that it's incredible. The amount of people at takes in baseball organization to run a team. It's incredible. Yeah truly is I. Think this whole Kobe? Thing of Oakland my eyes to that a little bit. You know with all the staff members that got laid off because they weren't going to be a game that. is to how many truly I mean you think about it just the amount of light just concession stand workers room. That's tons of people in our yet. So sad then in it's just heck is the people you see. You know there's people in the scenes that you don't even see. And I'm telling you we would start in February with Spring training. We'd go down to Orlando. You know the season ended you know when it ended September October in that same guy that was the parking lot guy he's back there four months later in the same guy for years. You know all those people are out of all those people are out of a job you know and I'm from the bar and restaurant business. So I'm now in the grocery business I worked for grocery store. Thank God. which is fantastic on. We're crazy busy nothing's changed for me in the last six months but I used to work in the bar and restaurant business my whole life and I I couldn't imagine right now with all those people are going through Oh. Absolutely. It's. It's really sad. So, WHO's your predictions? What's your world series this year my friend. Well. You know as a braves fan my heart says braves but. Fortunately Four out of their five. Guys. They had slotted for their starting rotation at the beginning of the year no longer in the starting rotation. So For to be successful in the playoffs, you have to have good starting phychi. Yup Student. Ordinarily. They had the best often they had probably since I've been alive and acts including the Andrew Jones Savvy Lucas Chipper Jones air. and they have the best bullpen they've had in a very long time. They don't have the shutdown closer like Craig Kimbrel. By any means Craig Kimbrel statistically had one of the best single seasons as the closure of time at preventing runs. But like for example, a plus that's that's league average. Okay. So if you have a one hundred plus your leased average at. Preventing Runs Craig. Kimbrel had one year that his yard Ross was ju eighty eight, which means. One hundred eighty, eight percent better than everybody else at preventing That's absolutely instinct John smoltz in touch. But as far as predictions of I would say I mean. I I would said the Yankees would make it, but they've kind of been slump in lane on the American league. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA make a sneaky big here. that. It's either going to be the white socks or the Indians because white socks or just hot. I mean they're young. But if someone put a gun to my head instead you must take Al side I'm going to into a crazy big and save. Indians. They've. My crazy because the twins. Yeah Yup Yup they. They have a sneaky good bullpen that I did not realize they had as being. Either offers isn't as good as it was at the same time. They're big money man Josh Donaldson was hurt for most of the year and he's back taken on on all cylinders. Are you buying into the padres? Yes. I Yeah I think you have to write. And I mean if I was to pick on the National League side I'd have to say dodgers, they're just such a complete team. That's depth. If I had to pick other want the raise to honestly. But if I was going to put money on it, I would probably say we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Look at when it comes down to these short series were pitching starting pitching matters I'm going to say on record this point Indians versus dodgers. Now Indians have a long road because they're going to have to play wildcard game up here they change. The series this year. So they've got a long road. They've not the pitching to hand. Do Do you think we go back to one? Sixty two? Yes. Yeah. I think we will immediately to but I don't see in the future do see in the future a getting limited as well. I mean it's not going to go to sixty it twenty is at one ten I don't know I don't think that's a bad thing. I enjoy because it's history it's just the way things have always been, but I can see it getting last you I I can see getting less as a snack guy I'd hate for that to happen just because I'm so big on comparing players in it'd be really hard to compare player that consistently plays one hundred and twenty game season versus someone that one hundred, sixty, two games. When job harder understanding several there. But I will say this year at like a one time thing. I Game Sixteen team playoff I, mean it's been a blast is I'm excited. I'm so excited. Almost they're. Saying, net a lot. A lot of people are like Oh will it's not a real season anywhere like you've probably root for a team that's not making the playoffs on because. They're saying well, this year's always going to have an accident next to it. I'm like, yeah but it's the hardest season. Anyone's ever played in every single game matters three times more you anytime you have an injury, it affects you that much more. So if you if you are able to make it through the season, make it to the playoffs, make it to the world series. Win It. Everyone's going to be talking about the season regressive baseball history in your ever wins this world series. Their name is going to be next to it another editing, the berets there less world series. Was a short season but are we talking about that? No, we're not. Nobody remembers that stuff. So have you been out? Have you seen a lot of games the road? What's your favorite stadium? So this is gonNA. Sound weird because. Know as a braves fan, I feel obligated to stay you know Turner field because the heyday of the braves grownup for me but Jewish parks actually I actually like it better than Turner or guy but my favorite that I've ever been to in York that places just beautiful Volvos. So I went to college in Baltimore and I used to live across the street from their way before i. Worked for baseball and I'm telling you. It would be a rain delay I'd sit home and wait until they started again we'd run in the gate his let us go sit down it is fan it's I hope they don't say let's change it because it is fantastic. Yeah. I was up there for work and I ate at this place across the street called Jacob's are. Jacobs. Pickle or. Area or something like that. It's the pick one apartment. I know exactly what it is I can see the logo in my head. Really Good Philly. Cheese steak I was by myself work at just had cheese steaks at their drink and waited for the game win over there. Watch burning practice in just sitting seeing that stadium just. So you I was at twenty two inning game in that stadium I think probably by myself and refused to go home. Use Ago. It was great. But I I've had the look I've lived all over the country and I've been to many many baseball's thing. But there's still nothing beats Wrigley. Field I. Don't know if you've ever been there. It's just my favorite. I like grown Meyer even when it's not in season, I would I would love to do that I hope that they don't change it by the time I get to. Yet. I've I've not been fenway and we were supposed to go this year but krona virus Kinda shy that trip down my wife and I were gonNA. Go but won't you know we try to every year to go that? Should we went to the PADRES game? You not padres fan I just like going but I've been so so many baseball stadiums that I really couldn't agree more I. mean. Wrigley's probably my but camden yards is right there in. It is a fantastic place now that they can just feel good baseball team. Yeah. Eventually, it will happen they had they had a good run there for a while a long time ago but the the they'll get back I still think it's one of the fries franchises in baseball I think it's iconic everybody knows it. But I think it's been a long time since they've been good for sure like I said, I lived there. So I used to have my own hat and all that stuff. So you know I'm a big baseball. Freak. So don't go by me but I I can watch any baseball game in any stadium meet you put my wife many times. It will my bucket said love to visit every stadium. I don't think I've done every but I I can guarantee you. If I go back and count I've probably done quite a bit of him Yeah. It's. It's always a good time numerous numerous world series I have the luxury to go to even if the braves running all we had to ask and we we were able to get tickets to it. So tiger, Saint Louis, game, world series I just remember. So, many memories. Baseball's a big part of my life for a long time I'll always be a baseball fan I. Love this like you said that this season is kind of unique I'm looking forward to the end I my birthday's in October and every time I, said, Connie. It's October and it's not because it's my birthday 'cause October baseball. So it's literally my favorite time of the Iraq watch every game every night. I think it's fantastic. So we both share that passion my friend. Oh. Yeah. Yeah that's my love. Yes. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa, wrap this up. I can't thank you enough Sam, but I want you to give everybody at least my world of listeners a little bit about you your podcast where it's going You know what you're doing now that the playoffs are going to start and then the number one question I have is what happens when the braves lose are you are you done? Do you break? Yeah, that's a hopefully degrees won't lose hopefully I agree I. Agree. Yeah. I'll probably take a a small hiatus during the season probably. It back up, win win trim start happening at the beginning of the year it's it's hard to put out. Put Out content window baseball happening that, yeah they're episodes at the beginning of the year with like really deep diving into players and I might do that and I have some interviews I'm gonNA put up and stuff like that. But I'll probably take a short hiatus but. Mansell let everybody know a little bit about you where they can find you and your podcast so I run braves dugout in in search brave Dugout podcast wherever you get your podcast we have it on on apple spotify pocket cast a razor Amazon. Music. where it really iheartradio wherever you get your odd cast. You can find they're just. I'm now slowly uploading episodes on Youtube as well if you. WanNa look on Youtube you should be able to just search braves dugout. We right there It's a lot of fun with dig deep into deep dive into stats and really try to paint the picture I do tributes to players. I just did a tribute to Charlie coercing but so I am Abrasive Fan I as far as if I had to pick a team but always a baseball fan I. Race fans second. So I like to I like to give fans the true statistics of the true value of players because without the true facts, it is easy to make false assumptions and I try to help people stay away from that I. Love It I. Love All Baseball I. 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Celebrity Big Brother 2 | LFC Roundtable Feb 12

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Celebrity Big Brother 2 | LFC Roundtable Feb 12

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This is the podcast where we break down everything. From the feeds I'm strong. And with me today is Melissa eighty Melissa and doing well, I am I'm excited for that the Nollie tomorrow, I have no idea. What's going to happen? I really could not have predicted last season's finale. So I feel like we're going to we're in for a surprise, whatever that surprised, maybe. Yes. Very very interesting stuff. Also with me today is Brenton Brent. I am fine. You know, what occurs to me? Why do we have around? There's only three of us. I feel like it should be like a triangle table, you know. Hurry into old navy one day only today get fifty percent off all outerwear, plus get cozy socks for just two bucks. Yet fifty percent off all outerwear and two dollar cozy SOX one day. Only today at old navy and old navy dot com. Ends tonight Valla to seventeen exclusions apply. Can you number four of us before it can be like a square table? Like what we're not freaking nights. What a what are we saying? Here we are nights because he night. So down on on our night potential nights. Okay. That's fine. I'll do it. I'll be a name. Yes. We are. We are live here on YouTube the page does not is not on rob as a podcast at the moment. So so you have to find us on YouTube. I'm going to be tweeting out the link very shortly. So hopefully, you'll be joining us soon. But we are here to argue about everything that's happening on the big brother celebrity to live feeds, and it's what a what a week it's been Melissa. What are we what are we? There were highs. There were lows. There were very lows. I, you know, I'm not gonna lie after the double the double eviction night was really just one blow after another for me at least. And then we find out the new H O H. And I'm just like oh my God. Goodness. Get any worse. I even tweeted that out like I just couldn't help myself. But yeah, so, but there were some highs. You know, there's some good moments but few and far between do you still have hope for the season? Brent or you are you a little spent here. Oh, no. I have lots of hope for the season. I've never been out on the season. I mean, you it's definitely hard to lose, Tom. And then get a Ricky H and think we're going to lose candy. But we may not loose candy. And I'm not even sure like my my I think everyone's fear was a low Ricky final two. I think I think I speak for most people when I say that we were like really because you know, at least we could tame are in the final two, we we've got some entertainment, and she's really been fun, and she's played her frigging Asraf not that Lolo and Ricky heaven, but they've been a little down. They've been the they've been a little mean girls, especially low low and Ricky hasn't been mean girl, but he has sort of like, it's an us versus them mentality, which I know doesn't wear well on some of the fans, but overall, I'm really happy. With the season is and I think there's lots of possibilities. I literally think that anybody could win including all five of them at this point. And that's that's sort of interesting. And I think overall it's been a really great season. It's definitely been different than season one of celebrity big brother, and I feel like we have the cast thank for that. But you know, what came here to play and play hard. And you can't you you can say many things about willow Natalie, and and that will click over there, but they have played their ass off. And I respect them for that. All right. Well, let's talk about what's been happening. Since the last time, we podcast the link is out people are coming in. It's going to be great. It's going to be fine. So we ended the last round table shortly before Tom ended up using the veto on Ricky to save Ricky and put Lolo up in Ricky's place. That was kinda crazy, right? And then we eventually are going to see Natalie evicted by vote of four to zero there. So Natalie goes home instead of Ricky or Lolo, we were we were kind of expecting Ricky to leave. But but Ricky stays he stays alive, and that I think really could be like Tom could have made the decision to who wins the game there. I think they were two of the front runners, especially considering the fact that Lolo is so disliked in the jury it really mattered who stayed there, and and Ricky can cut a lucky break. Oh, yeah. I think that I mean if Tom if anyone else was in Tom's position. I don't see Ricky staying at all I think that to me. I don't know if they would have targeted tricky. Well, Tom, but it, but I mean, I mean, okay, say everything is exactly the same except for. It's not a guy like Tom who just like likes the idea of throwing in a wrench in the plans and surprising, everyone I feel like any other player in Tom's position. Would have just been like, okay, I'm sticking with what I what I wanted to do. I set out this week to get rid of Ricky lead, Stu it. But Tom finds enjoyment and making everyone shocked and that shock factor in that. Wow. Factor in that questioning like what why you know, he like drives off that sort of thing. So if any other player was there, they'd be like, look, I'm sticking to my guns. I'm gonna do I'm gonna take them off. Or if they wanted to go with what Candian Dino were saying and try and get rid of not only they would have just been like look on leaving them both on the block. But you guys can vote the way you want to vote I'm leaving it up to you. I think that because he decided to do this crazy Wild Thing. That's why. We're in this position that we're in right now. And we'd probably wouldn't be there without Tom. Yes. Tom certainly proved to be a wild card this season. And I've said it before I think that really kind of saved the game in the sense that he blew up his own game and opened up the field for everyone else in the process. So low low is going to end up winning the HOA JR. In the double eviction. She is going to nominate Tom and. Candy. Right. I can't pull. No Brent to hold on. Oh darn. Okay. Thank you. I'm plants. Well, you probably should say you're gonna do. You can't you can't do it Melissa you might need to probably should do it. It's show. You know? She didn't. I guess I thought she was going to quote Orissa there. I really thought she was going to be like you can't. And you will all the big brother candidate people were. But like, yeah. But then she literally just was like, maybe it'd be good. If you you probably should, you know, make your nomination it was like so weak. Alright. K candy. I guess I loved in the recap when they show this. It was like, Tom. I'm nominating you and then they cut to in candy. I guess. It was great. So. Yes, Tom and candy going the block as as we all saw Tom is a victim by vote of three two zero. Tom is gone. And we are down to the final five next up. We are going to see Ricky win the next HOA Joe big one big one for Ricky right away. I was I was calling this. I was like, hey, wow. Ricky has this in the bag of this point? He's won the HOA cheese guaranteed. Final four. He's going to be able to take out candy. And if you take so candy than Taimur, we'll take them to the final two where I think he probably wins Lola will take them to the final two where I think he definitely wins. And if he wins he takes either of them and wins, and I was like, whoa. Look at look at Ricky. He's the he's the favourite here. Not always the case, though, things change in this house. He is going to nominate candy and Dino with candy being his target taymor has a different idea. She doesn't want candy gone. I think I think the tame are still wants to take candy to the final two. I think it is hard to decide what K mart. K mart beat Ewing KMart. Nobody's said KMart yet. That's great hat. I don't understand. I just I came up with out on the spot. I'm a genius brilliant. No. But for real though, I mean, like it's impossible to tell what kmarts motivations are. I feel like I never understand what's going on. And even when she's in the diary room saying like I need to take candy. I don't believe it. I don't trust it like anytime. She says something I'm like, I don't know if you're telling the truth or you're just like playing it up for people. I don't know. And so she's so hard to read. Yeah. It's it's tough. I do I do think that she'd like just the way that she's playing the game. She's constantly talking about how much she hates like candy, and how much she like doesn't think she deserves to be there and so on and so forth. But it's very clear that she's trying to keep candy in the game. And that it could be because she feels like candy will take her. And so even though she doesn't plan on taking candy. She at least wants the possibility that candy would take her. But I do kind of feel like she also would take candy. I'm seeing a lot of nodding from your Brent agree. Yeah. I do I have been convinced to this for about a week. Now when I tweeted out something similar, I am convinced at this point. And I'm trying to think of a 'nother reality show or this happened. Maybe you could say like Kaelin, Derek the final six are. Sorry, big where the candidates six or maybe you'd be really can't a one if they have Jillian and Emmett had made it to the end, I really do think this is a case of her wanting to get to the end with candy and declare herself the winner, no matter. What happens? It's just like I want to get to the end with the person that I want to get to bandwith. And after that just look at the jury and say f- y'all I don't care you give no power over me. I win. Because I chose her. We're here at the end. This is this is the ending my story that I wanted to have an through and for her. She didn't really care about the game. I am just to be clear. I'm not saying or doesn't care about the game. I've just thinking that her vision of winning may potentially involve a little bit of delusion where she's like like she wants to win the game. But if she doesn't win the game. She's like I win as long as the two of us are at the end. So I do feel like there's an element of that here. I don't know if you go nat- or not I think there's probably an element of that. I think more than that though, in my opinion is that I do feel like she thinks she can be candy. I think that if I let me let me put it this way. I think that if in her mind, she could definitely be Lolo. But maybe couldn't be candy and she had the choice between taking candy and having the win of that. She got she and candy both got to the end. But maybe she doesn't win versus ashore thing next to Lolo. I think she would take Lolo there. I think the difference is that she thinks she can beat both of them. And so because she can be both of them wants to have her. She wants to she wants to have the cake and eat it too. Right. I think it's like part of this. I think she's thinking in terms of the the overarching storyline of like her and candy. They started out enemies, and then became friends, and it's like this whole redemption thing, I see that. And I mean, the fact that she thinks she can win against candy. And the fact that she could, you know, create this this narrative of her in candy, we're enemies. And now they've come together to come together to the end like it's like, I can see why she. It might be doing it that for that reason. And also it's good for her image to to patch things up with candy and take her to the end because like she's even talked about candy's got her friends, and because they're candies friends. She's kind of outside of that circle because her in candy and get along. And if she ends up taking candidate the end, well, there, you go you've got this new friendship and people can't really be mad at her anymore. Oh, two things. I wanted to be clear that as I said on Twitter, I am not convinced the taymor cannot beat candy. I think the team are can be candy. So we can talk about that. So I'm not convinced that is a boner move for her to make if she's up going to the final two with her. But on the other hand, I want I did want to say that. That's just my read on the situation. I mean taymor has never said that my version of winning is getting to the end with candy. That's just my read on it. So she she may not be thinking that maybe putting words in her mouth. But I wanna I just wanna be clear on that. That team has never voiced anything other. Than I want to win the game. And I want to get to band with these people, and that would be great if we could should be with these people. She's never really said what I'm trying to say. So I just don't want. I just I just don't want people thinking that. I'm saying that she's she said that when she didn't sense, it makes sense. I think I think you will come with me. Anytime we say something on this podcast people come in like branching didn't say what are you? Talking about words mouth. She's the best player ever come on. I hear you on that one friend. I think that people are really really up on the misinterpretations with this season. It really it brings me back to big brother over the top. It really does with the level of vitriol both in the house and in the fan base at this moment, I'm getting I'm getting threats of violence sent to me and private messages. I had happened. Not. What's the what's going on with that? Why is everyone in the chat thing that poor Taryn? Handle that. Oh, I'll handle that. Okay. Let's going on. I just say the breeding mine notifications in my mentions. It looks like that a majority of black. Big brother Twitter is not a fan of Armstrong. They to that of a tweet that I made where I said, hey, I can't believe I made this connection. I hadn't made connection between tame are saying don't get punched in the throat, and then you know, talking about how Tom is threatening her. I thought that was a funny connection because previously in the season. I talked about how tame our was clearly not threatening anybody in that moment. But people thought that what I was saying was that I thought tame our was actually threatening to punch Lolo in the throat, and they got very mad at me because they thought that I thought that. And and so they said, hey, if we ever meet you in Boston, and you're gonna get punched in throats. God what is wrong with people? They definitely took it the wrong way. I will say that in even if you were saying that even if you were like that threatening. It's like, okay. So then you go, and and you're angry about someone calling saying threatening. So then you go and threaten them. It makes sense everyone like chill out. The like I said emotions are running high. You know, things are think things are getting a little uppity. I obviously do not cosign me. If I meet you in Boston, and I'm gonna punch thrown. Although that one of my trolls is sent that to you just can't. It was it was I thought it might be a sock puppet account a sock. Oh, really, what is the puppet of killer? I don't know. Joe lawrence. No, not Joe. Oh my God. Joy rodriguez. Okay. Joy rodriguez. So we barely knew. I yes, I want. What was I going to say, oh, I can't. I hate it. When this happens. Well, it's on point being things have gotten things have gotten. Okay. It's gonna come back in like, five seconds. So I was going to say, obviously co-sign the punch you in the throat Taryn, Dante mar a lot you say this like in what way like I'm very curious to know, why you think that because I'm used you've talked about how you disagree with me on taymor. But I don't know what you disagree with. Well, I disagree with your assessment that she can be candy number one. You don't think she can't be that? I know we disagree about. I think the candy beats are. And I don't I don't think she can be candy. But I'm open to hearing the opinion. I think what's happening is you're on more than me. And so you recount the game more than me. And you then go over tame our faults more than me. And so it sounds like you're harping on it. Whereas I really don't think you really are to defend you. I really don't think you are harping on her as much as people feel like you are it's just sort of the perception of it. Because again, you're on every day and you're on recaps. And so people here from you all the time whereas Melissa once or twice a week. And so if we were saying the same thing, it wouldn't even have the same sort of megaphone aspect as as your voice carries over the din. So go also a situation where you know, if you were saying the exact same things about Ricky, for example, or like, Joey verb. Sample, and they don't really have many like stands on Twitter. No one would care if like you said it about Ricky fewer over and over being like, Ricky sucks Ricky's the worst. And not that you're saying that about tame our good. I'm just saying even if you said that people would be like, oh, okay. Good assessment. Thank you. And now because it's taymor. They're like, whoa. Whoa. You can't say that about my fav-. So I feel like that's part of it is like you. You've literally picked like the worst possible target for any sort of critique at this point. Because like KMart stands are like the most vocal on Twitter by far. Well, I mean, I guess it was unavoidable because I think they've all played poorly. So I Kim. Our kids. It's like I feel like the people miss the boat. When the when when you could assize Tom Green's game and said, I was over you. He screwed himself. He played badly. And like they don't seem to remember that Tom Tom played eight and much worse game than taymor. Let's be real clear about this. But people never remember that like like, the Melissa the most the most caustic view of this on Twitter is that Terron likes the Tom Green's of the world. He doesn't like the tame Braxton's other world and the NBA underlying read on that is ta Taryn likes the straight white cysts male strategist, Barry acid, garbage Bill is ending. The most candy. He won't shut up about it. I was getting. I appreciate the support. But I don't wanna I don't wanna bore people too much. Support. Anyway, I keep a realty. Well, you know, I keep it real. There. We go. Anyway, candy want taymor wants candy to stay this week. And and yes, I'm happy about that. And so she is she is putting in work to make that happen. She's talking with with Ricky about it. She's kind of talking about like, hey, do we really want Dina in the end would do we really want her to win this season and Ricky's kind of like agreeing with this? He's kind of feeling like, oh, yeah. I might be open to the idea of keeping candy over Dina mean in the meanwhile in meantime, Lolo is refusing to promise either of them a final two spots. She will not tell them who she's gonna take to the final two. They're both getting a little worried about that. So they also talk about potentially taking low low out at if the veto plays out in a certain way. But vetoed is not play out in a certain way. It was apparently a competition and involved hurdles. I don't know if we know this about low low, but she's an Olympic track track athlete. Olympic hurdler wish. She heard she heard heard learn, I'm pretty sure she's heard learn bobsled, fun facts. I was a hurdler really. Where are you? Wow. So good one was hurdler. My my into the only. Track. Yeah. Yup. She does she think people actually Melissa's rights is an American hurdler and bobsledder who specializes in the sixty meter and one hundred meter hurdles three NCAA titles. Yeah. I've seen her. I've seen videos of her laying. It is insane as she just like full allies over those hurdles, I don't know how she does it. I'm interested to see this competition. Surely cannot be what we're imagining. I'm sure it's not. Yeah. Like. Hotly table and tamers Cohen hurdle. Yes. You wouldn't lies. I at least I hope so we should specify it was tame are that said, of course, they'd give her a hurdle competition. We don't know exactly. Yeah. So, but I did tweet out like really hurt. Hurdles, we couldn't do like songwriting competition or like how to manage your millions of dollars that you made from his writing competition. That'd be good one. So low low is going to win this veto. And unfortunately, candy does have a bit of a misstep here when she talks to Lolo. She tells her that she feels like Lolo has a good chance to win. I think what she was trying to do was explain that that, you know, hey, you can beat me in the end. But it did not come off that way. And it went very very poorly. Put to Lolo Lola was very angry about this. They got into a little bit of a fight. Then Lola wins the veto, and she feels very strongly that candy needs to go because she knows that candy's not going to take her to the end because she thinks that candy feels like Lolo can beat her. So she wants DNA out tame ours. Like, yeah, I hear what you're saying. But. You know, candy candy would be good to have remember how we don't like Dina. Remember that part now part? Yeah. That'd be bad to have her as the winner of the season. It's so funny with TAY because you know, all yesterday. And then today she's been like do Tae. Do you care who goes? No. But I really can't. I can't I can't let Dina so you she does care who go. Okay. Does care like everytime. It's questioned get asked. She she's like, I don't care. But and then she waited proceeds to tell you what she does care. So. Yeah, she wants candy is stay I think at this point candystand. I think these looney tunes are going to keep her. I hope so I mean as of right now, I think it's still a little bit up in the air. They haven't actually come together to decide quite yet. But it's being talked about Lolo considered using the veto on DNA to force taymor on the block in order to ensure that candy leaves. The thing that she really hated Tom for considering. To that guy. Force them to make the proprio game of that. You want them to make? It's like moving chess piece here to force them to come block, you that's not a threat people. So Lolo is considering doing that tamer was like, no, I don't think that's a good idea. I would like if I would like if you did not do that her ever. Yes. And convinced Lolo not to do it Lola decides against doing it. Then today, we had some more movement. And it was actually I think some significant movement. We I had DNA talking to Lolo about how hey, you don't realize this, but taymor and candy are so tight they are one hundred percent taking each other. They have made a vow like they are. They are going to take each other to the end you need to know this and Lola was like for real. Is that real what I I wish I'd use the Mito? And so low low starting to feel like a, wow, like Indiana's doing good work. She is like completely fulling the wool over Lola's is she's also, and I think this is very significant over the course of the last few days. Like, I said Ricky was in a great spot. However Lola was starting to think Ricky's to likable. I can't take Ricky. I can't beat Ricky. I need to maybe take taymor. Maybe taymor is my better option. However, this conversation with DNA DNA seemed to fairly convincingly tell low low, hey, you're I don't know why Dina's saying, hey, your best shot is against Ricky by far. You can easily beat Ricky tame, mar she could probably beat. You definitely Ricky is the person and Lillo is like really because I was thinking she was like, no, no, no, no, no. Remember, Tom and Cato. They hate rich. Tom hated Ricky. Tom would definitely vote for you. You know, got you've got all these other votes and Lola was like, okay. Yeah. You're right. So lo-lose starting to feel I think like she would probably want to take Ricky over are. Now, it's looking like Ricky went from good position to not great position to maybe good position again and Dina's looking pretty safe at this point. However, the days not done this is this is the day of ever. Like a live feed up day right here right now, it's it's a battle between these two forces Dina and candy and candy's going to get in there. And she starts telling low about how hey Lolo you can beat me. But I'm still gonna take take either you or Ricky because I know that you are my best. I am I gonna take KMart absolutely not taymor such a jury threat. She can beat me she can beat all of us candy, reinforcing the idea that Maher is hard to beat in the end. I think this really solidifies with Lolo that she probably should not take. Mar I think this was not a good day for taymor. And so- candy does some even better work. She's looking at the memory wall. She's pointing to votes and she starting like Lola's like, you know, I hadn't thought about that. I probably can't be you probably do have a good shot against you. And you know, what else candy, you're really rich. And I'm not, and that's a that's in my favorite too and candies. Like, yeah. Yeah. Isn't it in your favor? And so I I I was I was to the point where. Oh my God. It is candy going to convince a Lolo to take her to the final two. Is this real is this possible? I think it's possible. I don't think it's likely I think she probably takes Ricky. But but candy did a very good job here as opposed to the very bad job. She did the previous night, and so low low is I think a bit up in the air. There's a bit more back and forth. Dina talks to our candy talks to deny talks to Ricki candy talks to Ricki candy makes a deal with Ricky about. Hey, if you break the time my favor, I will take you to the final two. She does make a commitment to Ricky that she will take him to the final two. I'm inclined to maybe believe this hard to tell whether candy would take Tamar or Ricky. She makes a promise to Ricky. And she hasn't really lied to anyone in the house. So it's it's weird to me. She did not make a promise to Lolo in her fate lies in lo-lose, hands almost more. So than it is Ricky's at the moment, so hard to tell exactly, but basically the point is they all got together, and they kind of discussed it, and they're still not exactly a concrete decision that is made but taymor is leaning toward keeping candy. I think Ricky's leaning toward keeping candy. And I think Lolo is at worst kind of in the middle not entirely decided, and I think that points toward a let's stay candy and then candies in a good spot. However, candy did have to make promises like to Ricky that if that got to low low that would not make lo happy if that got the taymor. I think it might not make tame are very happy. So it's I think it's a little tiny. Listen, I don't want to say that candies. Definitely staying yet. But that's where we are right now as you're. Many feet up. How do you feel about all this? I mean, I feel really impressed by it. But it's one of those things where you're right. It's like if everything goes according to plan, and no one tells anyone what conversations were just had then everything's great. But you know, you think most of the time people who I mean, those three are in an alliance together tame, our Lolo and Ricky so you would expect them to talk. But it could be a situation like with Paul and big brother nineteen where he we thought. Oh, it's all going to come crashing around him. Because all these people were supposedly working together are going to talk to each other about what they specifically said individually with Paul and they never did. So it's totally possible that literally one day from now, nobody tells anyone anything, but who knows they might just fill ins, and everyone could say everything and this could end really poorly for candy. I hope not. But I think because I think they can't he did some really nice work. But you know, you never know. So we'll just have to see. Yeah. I'm not sure what's going to happen. But I will say that. I'm very impressed with the work done today. I mean, this look just to be clear, folks. This is the bare minimum of what we expect on big, brother. Like, I mean, like we're praising it like, oh, it was a great day of feeds. But like this is what we did not get at the end of big brother nineteen we did not pleading for their for their faith to do anything to say anything to try to what stay in the game. Give yourself a chance to win people just give up, and that's we can stand. So having said that I'm thrilled that they've decided to do it. But I'm not going to sing their praises. I will say that. I don't buy that candies. Fate has been hurt much by having to make a few promises here. And there I I still think she's in a relatively great position to be clear. I do think that she is favored over taymor. But I do think the taymor can be candy in the end. I know doom in the chess brand you have yet to presented me a scenario where tame our and we're. Andy, we're getting. Read my Twitter. It'll be good. Get us clue yet to present me. I'm very I'm very interested to hear cases. Well, but we're going to talk about jury votes. Just a little bit later. So that's that. Brent you have yet to present to me. It's a narrow wrong voice Brandt. You'll yet. Right. So state of the host right now is it's a free for all. It really is. These people have dropped all pretense of alliance at this point. I do it's really just a matter of who takes who to the end. And here are here are my thoughts, and we'll get you guys your thoughts as well on who each person is going to take. I think tame mar we've talked about I think is probably taking candy. I think that's honestly, one of the more the things I'm more confident about at this point. I think candy as we just talked about I think she takes Ricky. But she may also take tame are. I'm not entirely sure. I really can't. I can't tell exactly, but I think it's one of those two for sure Ricky probably takes taymor or Lolo. I'm not exactly sure. Which one I I lean toward taymor. Because taymor was able to give Ricky promise that she would take him and Lolo did not. And I think that matters to Ricky. And so I think he wants to reward that by taking her to the final two. However, he is being told by people that that Lolo is easier to beat so that might get into his head. But he's saying, oh, I don't care about votes in. No sorry. I don't care about votes in everything. Like that. Like that's not what I him here for. I'm a healer not a hustler or a hero. So that's what Rick is about low low. I think is at this point based on what she heard from Dina and candy. I think that Lolo is pretty locked at this point. She's gonna take Ricky. I think that's who she feels. She can beat the easiest but small chance she could take candy based on that conversation. And I think Dina if she stays would take Lolo for shore based on her conversation with Lolo. So that's that's how I feel or any any disagreements from you to know that sounds probably going to be. Yeah. Sounds about. Right. I mean, it's it's tough because especially with celebrity season. Sometimes it's more about your image than it is about winning the entire thing. So it could be a situation where people are like, okay. What makes me look? It's like what does it better for me to just like stick with alliance? Even if I don't know I can win or is it better for me? And I feel like that was in play last year where it was like, oh, I'm gonna take you because I don't care. It's just about us getting to the end together, you know, that sort of thing. So it's possible that they go with that route. And then some of these are kind of moot. Because it's like they're not really thinking about who they can be. And who can't be just about like, oh, I worked with you. I wanna take you. I wanna look good to everybody by doing. So so yes, and just Trenton the chat, I wasn't listening. You're correct. I was listening. But I missed I like Trenton the chat every single day is just like Taryn, his always, right? Makes me to call you out. Taryn whipping taymor taking I watched want to write everything down tamers taking candy candy's going to take taymor or Ricky Ricky's going to take Lolo or TAY, I think Tae Lolo is going to take. That's the one. I'm not sure about Ricky Dicky based on the conversations today. It was pointed out to her multiple times that Ricky is her best, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Dina, I actually I think I mean, I guess I should consider. But I really don't think she's staying at this point. So I think I think she I think she would take Lolo based on. I think I would also vote for low low in the end, I think she was being somewhat genuine in her conversations with low low about wanting her to win and. Okay. Well, I think that's why she was giving her the advice of you should take Ricky that you can beat Ricky. I think she's wrong about that. But. But I do think that she she genuinely feels that way. She would take a grudge against them ever since the first week, and when they victim Jonathan so I I think that if she goes out to the jury also they're going to have like a five ten minute break to talk to Dina during the commercials. I don't feel like there's any universe where she votes for low low, but I could be wrong about I think she's at the very least inclined to vote for low. What she what she told Lola was because Lola was like Jonathan is gonna be so mad at me. And she was like I'm going to go out there. I'm going to give him a look like Jonathan come on. So what she cares about him. She hasn't seen him in fifteen years bell. Aussi? Also hasn't seen her boyfriend in five years. So there's some of these it's not called catfish. Should I shouldn't make fun of Dina? I feel. Is that where we are now beginning Dina, oh my God save I'll make fun of here in the game. I don't want to make this whole situation. Oh, oh my God. I just feel bad for doing it. I'm telling you folks, I'm going to get fired one of these days if we're if we're at a point where we can't even make fun of my job. It's thing. Denial you on. So yeah, that's sort of how I see it. Somebody asked it's gone now. I'm sorry. Somebody asked him to chat who taymor would take if candies evicted and if candies evicted, I do think taymor would probably take Ricky. I do think. That's remember that. Yeah. I think that's what would happen there. So that's what we've got there. You guys ready for the stock watch. Yes. Doc, I'm go ahead, perc- perceive governor. All right here, we go. Here we hear it is stock watch open air. We all right. So let's start talking about these people. I we have Ricky who. I was I was looking at this and Ricky has received the highest average rating from me over the course of the entire season. And I and I think one of the highest average ratings of. Yeah, I think the highest average rating of anyone this season of a total. Despite his low performance in last week's stock watch just because he was he was in a pretty good spot. The first week a pretty good spot the second week using bad spot last week, but he survived it. And now he's at genn in a pretty good spot. I mentioned when I recapped his game. I do think that Ricky has played the best conventional game of big brother if you take out the celebrity aspect, and that they can watch everything he's positioned himself. The best had the his move in the in the start of the game where he got the women to flip on Jonathan in the way that he did in building trust with them by snitching and saying, oh, I'm protecting. You guys was one of the better moves or across the entire season. So. There you go that I think it says something about Ricky across the season. But now we have to rate him for this week and his position to win the game, which I think is decently strong here. Brent how do you feel about Ricky? I feel moderately better about Ricky obviously, better than I did a week ago actually going to give him a five. I feel good about his chances about getting to the end. I feel good about his chances of potentially winning at the end. I do think I know I can hear you doom in the chat. There's no scenario. I don't want to your voice again, go scenario where Ricky gonna win the game. I don't I don't think you can be as unequivocal as that or equivocal. I forget whatever the warning. I don't think that it's absolute is that I think the Ricky can win the game. I do think that it is a narrower path than other people specifically some of the women in the house. But I do think there is an avenue for him to do. So and he has done good work this week. He has tried to stay out of the drama. He's let other people sort of spin around a little bit. And there is something to be said about his the way he carries himself like a, you know, he he he he thinks himself. I think Ricki thinks highly of himself, and so I feel like in some ways that can work against him. But in some ways, I think in this case it may work for him in that he comes off a little bit as the adult in the room. And it's a presence that people can respect at least. And so I do feel like his chances of winning at the end are. Okay. But having said that it's no great shakes in the grand scheme of things is most the said last week. We're not grading on a curve. So. Yeah. Five it is. Laura and the chat wanted to know if we could get some detailed statistics from Christina about the Ps question from last week's forum, and Christina responded that unfortunately, there was not anything interesting the P percentage came out. Even no matter how you split it. My god. No don't fall people know, you know. Candy fans are not are not inclined towards peace anymore than tame our fans or anything else. That's everyone loves and hates peas equally. Wow. God. Yeah. It's bad for me. Eight. All right, Melissa. How do you feel about Ricky? He I feel the same way. It's one of those things where like if I'm grading solely based on this season and whether or not he can win and whether and how he's playing against everyone else in the season. I would be like, okay, given give them a seven give him an eight whatever. Because like I think he has a better chance of winning. I think that he. I think he's made less enemies and certain people. I think the fact that he won H O H was critical here. But at the same time, if we're now that I know we're comparing it with like general big brother, he's really not doing that hot. So, but I don't think he's doing poorly at that at the same time. Like, I think he's doing pretty well for what he's doing. So I agree with Brent. And I'm going to give him a five which is an increase from before though. So that was. Sorry about that is factory is true. I also decided to give Ricky a five I thought about a six, but it's just, you know, honestly, if I hadn't listened to him talk today, it might have been a six, but just like when he was talking to candy. He was just like, you know, I'm not just I'm not thinking about who has votes. That's just not important to me. And if if that's true, which I think it either is or it's a weird faint. But like, I think that I think that he has a slam dunk win if he takes Lolo, and I think that tomorrow might be slightly harder to beat. And if he takes team, are that just doesn't make sense to me. I think it's because he feels like he wants to reward mar because she promised him and Lola wouldn't. And I feel like that's just those instincts are just not worthy of a six. So I have to give him a five if it's all if it's all just play acting than he he got me. Play-acting? I think I'm with you. I think I think a universe exists where he doesn't actually care about the votes. It's I mean, I think he cared. I think he wants to win. But I think he also like he needs to do it in his way. Even if it's not the most efficient way that makes us so. Something else to note here is that these numbers for me at least are subject to change based on what happens with the finals. There's still a lot of game to be played. And we will of course, do a postseason roundtable where we give some people their final scores. And there are some people. I think in particular who could dramatically have their score change. I think that Ricky if he wins this game in a certain way could definitely go up to a six I probably wouldn't put him at a seven ever. But something to know he might be able to make it to thing. Like, yeah. Okay. Most people are at six is already by the end of the season. But was we we did get from from Christina that last week was yet another record low. It was lower than even the week before in terms of average score. So something that's going on there. The audience gave Ricky a solid five as well. It's a straight fives Franchi who it's an improvement from last week. Like Ricki Ricki is potentially. I think like the front runner to win the game. And he's got a five. That's what we're working with straight. Right. Yeah. Bob. Let's talk about candy. Let's talk about candy candy who. You know, I think most people are rooting for candy at this point from what I've seen. Including the jury members and like every other former player like everybody's just gotten on the candy train. And I'm just kind of like, hey, guys. I was here already this. My you're the conductor. This is what it's like to just be a STAN dislike. Yeah. Yeah. So candy who has done some good work this week? Also had some mistakes this week and still has kind of a difficult path to the end, I think she does have to survive this week, then she needs to be able to win or have taymor win and actually have tame mar fulfill. What we think she will do which is take candy to the end. And then she does need to win the jury vote, which I think she will. But but Brent is going to make a case for why potentially. She might not. So there's that as well. So I'm I'm feeling pretty good about candy. I I think that my confidence in her jury vote capability supersedes, the less likelihood that she will get to the final two and I'm willing to put her at a five. She is somebody for me that if she ends up winning like for instance, if she has convinced Lolo to take her to the end over Ricky and taymor, then I'm going to bumper right up to a seven. That's that's how much she can change here. If she just wins. Because taymor tags or whatever. Then then maybe maybe five or six is still appropriate. But I still in my opinion, the best celebrity big brother player on the season. Brent how do you feel about candy? I was just thinking when you were like if she actually convinces Lolo to take her to be end over Tae and Ricky I'm going to give her a ten ten Lord. Ten is definitely the ceiling on the season. That it's hard to get there. So I gave her a six last week. And I'm asking myself, did she do better or worse work in terms of advancing her cause of winning big, brother? I think she's done a little bit worse. Actually, she had a couple of chances to win a few competitions. She didn't take them. She has no allies in the end except for seemingly tame our? She may be able to survive this week. So I'm going to give her credit for the good work, but she's done. And she's been able to basically what I think is a required skill in big brother, you need to be able to lie straight to people's faces. When the time comes for it. I mean like you don't have to make it an active part of your game. But when you need to save your, but you need to get in there and live with the best of them. And she's shown an ability in ability to do that. And not just an ability a willingness to do that. Because I think most people have this ability, but some people are just unwilling to do it. And she obviously is I think it's great that somebody who is successful. As candy is willing to go in there, and you know, sacrifice her integrity to play some stupid reality game. I really am very pleased with that because she could easily be like I don't have time for this shit and take her spot as. Fifth place finisher, but she doesn't want that. And so I'm here for that. Oh, I love seeing how into it. She was on the episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we had to write that. I don't think people in the beginning thought that maybe she didn't care. I don't think that's true at all. I think she did care, but she was very unfamiliar with big brother how it works. And she made a lot of mistakes, and she told people honest truce, which she shouldn't have done early on. And consequently, it was a little bit ostracized for that. Because she wasn't willing to make nice people that she may be needed to make nice too. But by week three which in celebrity big brother time is like eviction number six she was up to speed on the game. And I feel great about her wash. Great. I feel good about her right now. So I think she's done a little little bit less work than she did last week. And so I gave her a six last week. So I'm going to give it a five as well. And I think that's I think that's appropriate praise or candy on celebrity McGruther because she s Taryn points out. She I think she's going to survive I'm gonna put that out there. But at the end she needs to win the final h h. Or have taymor taker and then win so her Pap is probably like twenty five percent at this point. Maybe even less than that. It's not it's probably the hardest before. Yes, melissa. What are your thoughts? I think I agree with you guys to send him in. I think that she's had the most growth Verschueren in terms of game ability since the start of the season, especially considering that she was a last minute addition to the show, and so she didn't really have the opportunity to like really research it and figure out what to do and how to play and she seemed to be the least prepared going in. So I was really impressed with her ability to pick up on the game and do so well. You know since she picked up on it. I I also feel like. I feel like she has the best chance to win. If she gets the, and but getting the end is going to be kind of hard for her. But she's putting in the work and she's doing good work. And the fact that like when she was put on the block like I thought she was dead in the water. I really thought that she was going home unless you won the beat. Oh, so when she didn't win the I was like, oh, she's done. It's over, but she's really putting in good work to stay and to the wait. We're we're all like your. I think she's probably going to stay tomorrow. You know, we're all thinking that. So I'm impressed with her. But they're still the fact that she could be going home tomorrow right away. Like, you know. So I can't give her such a great score. But but I still do feel good about her chances. So I'm going to give her a five as well. All right fives. From us a six from the audience the audience likes. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about Deena Deena dean is an interesting one. Because she I mean, she should be fine. Taking candy out is a no brainer in my opinion for everyone involved. I guess Brent might think Brent might may may think that it's it's better for taymor to keep candy. But personally because I think candy beats tame mar I think it's it's best forte mar that she that she take a candy out here because DNA would be easier to be in the final four. And I think that taymor needs to win in the final four. I I also think she needs to not take candy. So personally, I feel like it's best for everyone to get rid of candy. But at the very least it's best for two out of the three people who are in charge of the votes to take candy out over DNA, but she may be leaving here. And that's that's not great. That said if she does stay if she doesn't just say like, she should she has a very real like one enforced shot at winning this thing. I think that she. Wins against anybody left. If candy leaves and all she needs to do is win that final four H O H. We saw Marissa who had not really won anything up until the final competition. Win the final competition and win the game. We could very very easily see that happen. I know it's hard to think about because she's just not really been a huge part of the show thus far. But it's a very very real possibility. And it's not one that I think should be ignored. So an interesting to rate here. Go ahead. Can I just ask really quickly? What was the final show age last year? Do we remember? I mean, I'm sure we remember. But I don't remember. I think it was questions you, I know his questions, I know, I know it wasn't hurdles for someone with text messaging or the tweeting or something I was twenty maybe the check and tell us. James saying signed a brand pedia here in this competition. Julia read tweets from victim houseguests over their time in the house. One of the tweets will be an incorrect statement, the competing houseguests must figure out who tweeted the incri incorrect statement each time the houseguests Gus correctly. They will get a point most, certainly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Trivial thing where they read the texting where they were like James, you were this much Ma blonde like saying insults. When was that? What this is this. She was reading we'll say tweets. Sorry. Yeah. But it was them reading it out loud. Like, it was they had videos them being like as they like read the nose trivia. So basically, it was Texas. You're correct, Melissa. It's text messages. But it's like James, you're the third H O H, and you you were also a victim by six to one votes or insults to each other. So I did it. Or or maybe of you know, Senator to question thing. I don't know what I'm saying remembering, oh, no the podcast one was was the one where rack yes. Right now, David Sanchez. Fattening point to point is it is some form of a trivia, which is you know, I basically as long as you can be do like, basic, a basic memory you. It's mostly crapshoot. He you might have a little bit of of an advantage unless you're Kevin Martin in which case, you're always going to win these. But most other people are going to be pretty even going into question competitions studying does matter like if you don't study at all then you're probably not going to win. But if you if you have any level of intelligence than you have a pretty decent shot of taking these home because most of the time if you don't have the question, you can just guess and just guessing is fine. So I say in last year, it was a three way tie with Marissa Ross and someone else I think it was. That's that's the other thing. The questions can be so easy that everybody gets all of the questions. Right. And then it comes down to the tiebreaker. Which is like wow horribly breakers. Are the dumbest thing world. They should not be. Math problems. Like, I'm sorry. That's so stupid. It's not testing any knowledge of the game. Especially because it's like how many seconds does it. Did it take to do this competition? Like, I'm sorry. I can't translates seconds two minutes of minutes. Two seconds to hours. Like, I I couldn't do that in my head. And they don't give them nearly enough time to like write out the mass like started. All right. Let's throw interesting point for me as I think that they're tiebreakers need to be reworked. It's it's all about being a crapshoot, and that's the thing. And that's what we talk the crap shoot. You should be earning. This not guessing we talked about with Kevin Martin how he has less of an advantage the easier the questions are because then Dimitri will be able to get all the questions right to and we'll come down to a tiebreaker. That's exactly what happened last season with three people all getting the same score DNA has also not been bad in the question competitions, thus far. So just don't sleep on Dina if she survives this week. She has a very real shot at winning this thing. I don't want people to be taken off guard. We've been talking about it all season long. I know. But I think people have started to be like no way first of all later say something really quick Evert on the Chad Hussein they're saying that's not hard math. Melissa you try doing it on a live TV show. Okay. You try doing it when you're under pressure? And if you don't get this this exact question, right in these are also think about how long did it take me. How long was this thing? Then you have to write it down the whiteboard. They don't care if I can unlimit. Time. I saw that as well. But online TV in front of everyone in the mid like, I'm trying to figure it out. This is the winning question come on as everybody know, they they're like, oh, Melissa come on. You don't know. What sixty is. It's like, I know what it is. And I go to mostly. You're not gonna sit there on live TV and properly solve a math equation in my head. When I can't even write it down. Most Madge she's gotten all season, right? People are like no list on coming. With. Ernie's you'll have. So listen, how do you feel Dina? I feel I feel good about Dina. Well, I feel less good about Dina than I did before. Because before I felt like it was like guaranteed. Someone was going to take her to the end because they all thought Dina can't win this. I I'm gonna take her. And then I don't really see that this time if anything I see her going home. So I don't feel comfortable giving her the same scores. I did last time. But I don't think she's done that much worse than she did last week. I just think it's circumstances. So I'm going to give her a four. I'm going to cosign that as well. I'm going to give her a four I gave her a five last week. And I think that hurts. I think her circumstances are worse this week. And I. I mean, she has done good work in that. She went to Lolo and said some things and pointed out the obvious alliance between taymor and candy. But on the other hand, she's allowed candy to hoodwink Lolo and anybody else seemingly, and maybe that's a harsh diamond of her because you're like, well, Brent she doesn't know that that's happening. But on the other hand, she should be on them like a hawk this is her life in the balance here, and for her not to be aware that there might be something like that the game is a foot is a bit of a problem for me. So I think she's gone here at five and even been showing has a one in four chance of getting to the end. So I have to give her a four, and that's generous. Yes, I was hovering here between three hovering. It's hard because I do think she put in some decent work today. It's just that she got outworked by candy. And if she succeeded in this worksheet being a not terrible position. But she's also in a spot where she needs to win. Nobody will take her. But she's also in a spot where she definitely wins. If she gets to the end, so it's hard going back and forth. But I did go with a four. As did the audience is the close one they almost they almost gave her a five, but they went with four. All right. Let's move onto low low. We were all pretty low on low low last week. What did I assume? I. Straight twos. And a one from Brent. So how do we feel about Lolo? Now, I've got to say I am higher on lo-lose chances than I was last week. I think that some things have changed one her magic Instagram posts. Yeah. She tweeted out to Joey Lawrence. Hey, sorry about all the things that happened Joey responded with a screen shot on Instagram where he said, this means so much to me. I'm so happy that you send this to me. I'm wishing you look. And then what I can only imagine is if you follow the Twitter saga or from what I talked about this morning on the live speed update. Her social media manager trying to pretend that she's her Lolo and responding to to Joey as though she were Lolo and saying, wow, thanks for the kind words. I know we had some heated moments in the house. But we know what that's like thank you so much. You know, I really I love you Joey. Social media manager is an impostor. Yeah. There was a bad point Melissa wear because I I feel like well, we don't know who's tweeting it, but now we definitely know who's posting it because you wouldn't be able to respond to his message. Right. And she so she also has other tweets she's directed finish on she directed. So Tom disingenuous she thinks. Should I have kicked Tom out? I don't know you're on after him now regretted is it weird that I'm going into my it's like is it weird that I wanted Tom to stay guys. Let me say this that I think the Chad is asking, you know, are they really that dumb that they would believe this. Okay. Here's the thing. I don't think they are that dumb. But if they are that dumb. They will be corrected when they get to the finale say look that wasn't her like dude that was not her come on. So we'll say that. I think I think I think Johnson. The Instagram post, obviously was definitely not her. But the Twitter posts, you can still, you know, they might be her because she can me on it though. Like, if was tweet different house wondering that like do they clarify whether it's tweeted by south how you should do that. Because that. That. Yes. Because otherwise any eating stuff. I mean think about it. If someone is running their account, they say like a family members writing their account. We've had people have family members run their accounts, and like go off on people and get like really into the fray of everyone arguing and like if you were to think like, hey, wait is that so in so tweeting from inside the house, you'd get confused even though you know, probably is not them. So I think that they really should clarify like, hey, this is coming from inside the big brother house rather than just like who knows what tweet comes from them. This is celebrity big brother. This right here is showing why we would need in the night that because. Tweets out there, you could absolutely higher social media person to beat to go on there. And go to each jury member individually and be like, hey, you played a great game. It's so tough for us in here. Like, totally appeal to every emotion. I mean, maybe that's part of the game. Maybe that's maybe that's what this is. Now is just like higher your social people under one hundred percent. If things stay the same. If going into next season, the celebrities should hire a good PR person to run their social media is to run their Twitter account. And then that PR person can read the exit interviews and get a sense of what people are upset about and tweet very specific messages that you could never have thought of because you you don't know what they're thinking to address all of their concerns and make them feel good about you. And then you just need to pretend that you did those things if they're like, hey, I really appreciate it your social media post. Your Twitter posts. Oh, thank you. I I really I felt it really represents how I feel about everything. I'm telling you this. It's a real strategy that people should you'll I absolutely think it's a real strategy. I think that they should be doing that. I mean, clearly, it's it's it's by the book like you're fine doing it. No one seemed to have any issue Lillo doing this. So and it makes logo look really good. I mean, if you sit there and read or tweets, and you're like, wow, this is what she's really thinking in the house. It's so poignant, it's so kind it's like, you know, I would be inclined to vote for someone if they reached out to me while they were still in the house being like, hey, I'm sorry. It had to end this way. You're awesome. I think you're amazing, blah, blah, blah. I'd be like, okay. Yeah. All right. I like this person now. And yeah, I mean, it's a good strategy. It's brilliant. I will I will say I am inclined to believe that the Twitter posts are coming from Lolo. I think that the Instagram thing was probably just a one time thing. So I do think that Lolo is is doing something at the very least. If you can't do the publicist thing. You should be doing what Lolo. She's either doing the publicist thing, which is genius. Or she's doing this, which is still a good idea, which is used social media to advocate for yourself with the jury in a way that the houseguests can't possibly see and that is going to be very effective. And I do think that Joey is probably going to be a vote for Lolo heading into the finale unless maybe she's against Dina or can be. But I do think that Jewish kind of locked Joey in as a vote from what from what it looks like based on what he was saying on his social media. And that makes a big difference when it comes to her chances in the game, not to mention the other post that she's made that might help her a little bit. Go ahead. No good, Melissa, Melissa. I say that like, I honestly if Lewin's this. I would absolutely chock it up to good Jerry management. I mean, I think she's doing a really good job, especially like, okay? Even with the Tom addiction. When Tom is like heading out the door. And she's like, oh, you know, good job, you know, blah, blah, blah. And even when she put him on the block and was saying, you're just a really good competitor have to get you out. If I was Tom I'd be like, I respect I respect her. She's doing a good job. And then you look over at someone like K, mar or or even Natalie who only likes shook his hand wouldn't give him a hug when everyone else was giving him a hug, it's like the those kinds of things are just bad. Those are bad. I mean, you you can't do that sort of thing. But Lolo like shockingly because she's the person you'd least expect to do. Good jury management is doing great jury management right now, and whether that's her or her and a PR person like so be it. This you doing your job? I will say Deborah in a chat. Did posted in the chat that Jonathan Bennett has tweeted a response to someone telling them not to believe, it's Lolo. I'm guessing that's in regard to the Instagram post, but it could be in regards to the Twitter as well. Like, I said Jonathan I said this about five minutes ago rewind the tape. Jonathan is a busy body. He will make sure that people know that that is not Lolo we've talking, and here's the thing if if it has been low on Twitter this whole time, then her social media person really screwed up right doing the instrument thing, which really put some castlemed doubt on the other messages anything they should come out and clarify like if that's the case. It was only the Instagram message. Then they clown. Clarify say, hey, just as an FYI. I that Instagram thing was me. I am running her Instagram. But every tweet is Lolo that would help Taryn and mostly you both have not given a score. Yes. So so I do think that Lola's chances in the jury have gone up since the last week that we talked. She's also behaved a little bit better in the house. Which is also plus there, I think that you know, she won the Speedo. She's a guaranteed spot. A she has a guaranteed spot in the final four. And I do think that it's you know, I don't think many people are taking her to the final two. That's definitely a detriment and of the people that would take her to the final two, I think that she probably can't beat them. So that's not great either. I think that if she wins. She probably takes Ricky, which means you probably loses. So it's actually even though I think her chances have gone up since last time, I think that getting to the end against taymor, which I think is her best shot is looking less and less likely given that she seems to have switched onto Ricky. But she's so fickle sometimes that she may switch back to tomorrow eventually so I just hovering between two and a three here. And I I'm going to go I'm going to go with a three just because I think I do think your chances are better and juries can be unpredictable. So I'm going to go with a three brand twenty. I really want to give her a one again just for shits and giggles, but I'm going to call it as I see him. I'm going to give her a two I think that these tweets actually might be more harmful than good. If people think that everything is fake. So I'm not inclined to believe that it's necessary. Even a good thing. I'm not even including to be sure that she's actually the one doing it might just be some do-gooder friend of hers who's decided to try to help her out and thinks her chances might be in the tank and things. Okay. What can I do here too? Push push you're up a little bit. So overall, I still think that she is the least likely person of the final five to win. I think that she has made. Insurmountable damage to her game to the point where it would be very surprising to me if she actually won the game. She has been nicer of late, which is why I'm going to increase your score to a two. But I still don't think that that's basically it's too little too late for me. And I also don't think it's a good look on her that over the past twenty four hour. She's been talking about who needs the money the most. I don't think juries like to hear stuff like that. But who needs the money if she tries to make it about that? I think the jury is just gonna slap back in her and our snapback in her, and they might want to slap her to and say, look, we don't we? We're looking at who who played the best game. We're not looking for who needs it the most. So not a good look on her. And I don't think you can go any higher than a to Taryn. I am shocked. Yeah. It will. And she doesn't like it too. If you bring up her rental properties, or if you bring up her nice car. Hey, the only reason I have a nice car is because Jaguar and the Porsche, they sponsor me. So that's the only reason I have a super nice car and those properties they're not worth much just like a couple of hundred thousand. So it's like all right. Jill. So so how do you before most talks? I can't he was really into knows what no one situation she should not have even walked into that earlier today about trying to talk to low low about what she may. Or may not have if you tell Lolo that she has votes. She's going to be mad at you. Because she thinks she can you're not gonna take it to the end in that you're trying to make her look bad on the other hand if she said to lo-lose face bitch. I don't think you have one vote on the jury Lola would've taken offense to that too. So just devoid the subject altogether. Just all you need to say is look I wanna take you to the end, and you can beat me like just talk about yourself, and what you're going to be the other person. And that's good big brother anyway moving on. Yeah. I I agree with everything you guys were saying, but I do think that she's doing better this week than she was last week last week. I was like there is absolutely no chance she's gonna win. She's doing so poorly in terms of relationship building, and she's just causing problems. But now, I feel I mean, honestly, I thought she was going. I thought she was going to be leaving pretty soon, but she's been winning so much. I'm very impressed. So, yeah, I'm going to give her I'm going to give her wanted to give your last time a two three car rights, and I will say something else that should be pointed out is that I do think the episode last night hurt her chances. I mentioned this this morning that. Shortly after the episode. We saw Kato liking an anti Lillo tweet Jonathan has been liking more anti Lolo tweets since then it really I I think increased the volume of anti Lolo tweets because it was a kind of anti Lolo episode. And so it makes it more likely for them to like, those kinds of tweets and for them to feel that way themselves if they're watching the episode, so could you know, we're reading into a lot in terms of these likes. But from any any zeppelin's, we have understanding of the jurors that was definitely not great for her. But the audience agrees with Melissa and myself the audience gave Lolo a three. So gone up and up from last time. Excellence. Finally, let's talk about tamer. Willing to bet Brent is the highest on Mars chances. So Brent let's start with you. Yeah. I'm going to give her a six, and I know that might be high praise because you're like we'll bring where where you're coming from on this first of all I'm just going to willing to plant life flag in the sand and go I believe in her. I think that she has a great chance to win. I think that there may be more than one person at the end who's willing to take her? I think I still think the Ricky will take taymor to the end. And I also think that candy will take taymor, although that's a harder road for obviously to win. And obviously tamer wind. She's gonna take yourself. And I don't think that it's beyond the possibility that Lola might take taymor. I don't think it's likely, but I think it's within the cards. So she has a relatively great chance of making it and the veto has not was not used today. So she's definitely saved for this round. So given that in the fact that other people at the end, I trust her ability the most to win this kind of a competition. Let's be clear Taylor has won three competitions. And she's not somebody who. Who I think is she's not just going to lay down. She's obviously going to try to win. She has been thinking about big brother for a while. She wants it. I think if she and here's the thing if she gets to the end, which I think she has a great chance of doing. I think that you cannot discount the possibility that she's going to come off as the realist of the people who were there. She's the most authentic Tae mar that there is I think that other people may get tripped up trying to say things that they think the jury must might wanna hear. And I think that maybe through the game. They might have been tripped up by saying things that the jury might or might not want it to hear. But taymor has always been true to herself whether or not you liked her dancing as Tom walked out the door, which I'm sure Thomas heard a lot about. But at the end of the day, he knows that. That's her. It's I I think here's the thing. I'm biased on her. Because I do think there's a big part of taymor that plays as I would if I was in the house because I think. Would let people have it. And at the end, I would hope that they realize you know, what? At least I wasn't bullshitting. You like you knew I was like Sandra in survivor, like at least, you know, what you're getting with me. So I think like Sandra is a good comparison for Sandra, Sandra. Obviously as a better at massaging what what she needs to say to people. But on the other hand, I feel like that's our biggest strength is that she comes off as truly authentic so combined with her ability to win combined with her likelihood of being taken to the final two and combined with the fact that I think she can beat anybody on the board including candy, which I can talk about before he get my score. I think that if she gets the end with candy as I said into on Twitter that she's going to get the votes of the people in the bedroom. She's going to get Ricky she going gonna get Natalie. She's gonna get low who by default would be on the jury if she's at the final two with candy. So that's three votes showing needs five to win. I think she's definitely going to lose. Tom and Kato as votes at the end, and maybe even Dina as well who would vote for candy. So then it comes down to Jonathan and Joey and Ryan, and I think that maybe you think I'm crazy. Maybe you see. Well, Brent he tweeted out this or we responded this or you like this. He said of Tanno Ricky were in the walkaway, he wouldn't even vote. I know, but that's also a little bit of Jonathan like being messy like when I tweeted out earlier today that I like people were coming at you on Twitter, and I'm like my supposed to be feel sorry for that bitch. I don't like I mean, I'm just like he's playing in the moment. I really don't think that that. He would think that if taymor got to the end. So I think that she can get two of those three votes. In fact, I think she can get all three of those votes. I think she can get Jonathan's vote because she can be a look I'm a fan of this game. Jonathan is a fan of this game. I think he will respect her for that. And so, yeah, I think she's the most likely person to win. So I give. Her six. All right, Melissa. What do you think about him on? So I want I'm inclined to give her a worse score than I did last week because of the way she's upset people since then I felt like her her act at the on. The double eviction was not great jury management. But she won a bunch of competitions. And I feel like I'm impressed with the fact that she won. And I could see her winning the final H O H or I could see her winning. I just feel like I see her winning those types of competitions. And I could absolutely see her doing that. However, I don't know if she would get the jury votes. I mean, she could it just depends. How people are feeling. It depends. How her speech speech goes? I feel like it's up in the air. So even though I'm in climbed to give her a worse score. I feel like she has a chance to get to the end. And I feel like that's critical at this point. So. Before you gave her a score. I wanted to ask you this. So if taymor gets to the end and she brings candy. Okay. She wins the final issue age. And she brings candy that'd be four comments for zero wins for candy. I still don't I don't think there's anywhere. We're Jonathan votes for candy over over taymor under the circumstances. I don't think so at all I think Jonathan votes for candy. Okay. I think that I think here's the thing is I also think that this is celebrity big brother, and I feel like they're going to be like we wanna reward the person who accurately represents our season or whatever. And they want the season to not be like marred by the like, you know, weird tension and the meanness, quote, unquote, and I could see them being like candies been so nice and kind the whole time, we should you know, reward that. And clearly she like play. She must have done something right to get there. And I feel like that's what they're all going to think about when they go to go. And I don't know if they're going to be like. Okay. Let's see who won the comms. They also might even be like candy didn't even need to win a single cop. And look at her. She's in the end, it was all social like, I just I don't see Jonathan voting for taymor and under any circumstance. And I mean, unless it's low entail Mars, something maybe, but I I just feel like candy has the votes if it's same in candy. I think candy has the votes. So what is your score here? My score is. A four again. All right. Yeah. I've got to say I Br Brent could be right, right. Juries are. Unpredictable. Anything could happen. You know where Jonathan decides out of nowhere? He wants taymor to win based on what I've seen. It's it's Jonathan is talked about how he doesn't. He does not want to vote for taymor. He's so much doesn't want to vote for Tamera. He'd walk off the stage, which is obviously an exaggeration. But definitely shows an inclination. He's also liked pro candy tweets when Tom said, hey, I don't want to I want. I turns out I'm rooting for candy. Jonathan re tweeted like go, Tom. And so I feel like there's a lot of plus in the alumni there's a lot of like pro candy talk. Jonathan hangs out with the alumni a lot. I think that that's a good representation of the the crowd. He's hanging around. So I do think that there's a lot of things that point toward Jonathan wanting canned. Over taymor. I think that Ryan goes with Jonathan I think the Joey probably also goes along with them in this particular case. And then there's also something else to consider which is that if tame our wins and takes candy. I don't think that Ricky Lolo and Natalie are locked votes either. I think that at least one or more of them are really pissed at mar for lying to them and doing what she said, she she absolutely promised. You never would in taking candy over them. I think that Lola would be pissed. I think that Ricky in particular would be really pissed I think that there's a very good chance that Ricky would vote for candy over taymor. If taymor ends up taking candy to the end. And I think that's something else that we need to consider especially since that's the more likely scenario where they're both in the final two. So. Like, I said, I I'm not willing to completely count it out. But I do think that it's very unlikely based on everything that that I'm seeing with taymor. Yeah. I also think the fact that it's like an unsecured jury has an impact on it. Because I think that if it was the question jury people would be more inclined to vote for taymor. I think I think it's part of like hearing the fans talk afterwards. And hearing like, oh, you know, she said this mean thing about you. And I think that also hurts Lolo and Natalie as well clear, I think KMart needs to earn this vote. I think going in there probably going to be leaning towards voting for candy. But if she gets up there and says, look, I won four competitions. I brought myself to the yeah, I played my ass off this bitch over here didn't do shit till the end barely saved yourself because I decided to bring her to the end she wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for me, if she gets up there, she she needs to give a speech like that. Like, yeah. I earned in give me the damn money. Which is what I wanted people to always do. I mean, someone actually did that on some. -ality show, and then they didn't win. So I feel like a winning strategy. Maybe not that I would vote for that person. I think that if she goes up there and does a speech like that where it's like I brought candy here. Candy wouldn't be here. If it wasn't for me like, Bob, blah, and that she won this, and that XYZ competitions. Like, I think that she has a good chance of winning. I think that I think I I'm getting frustrated because in the chat everyone's like tearing a Melissa. How can you say that can't that t- mar didn't play a good game? And that she shouldn't win. And that it's a negative for the season. If she won like, we never said that we're seeing what the jury might think we're seeing that. We're basing our are not like our ideas are based off of what they're saying on social media what they've said in the house their views on what people have been saying about them what the fans are saying to them like I've seen comments to Tom being like don't ever vote for tame our or Lolo because they were so mean to you like that's kind of kind of. Thing that will influence especially who's trying to make the fans happy by on these types of shows. I think that's part of it. But I also think there's a part of them that might be wanting to be like, you know, what? But by voting for her I can own it like it becomes like they're not in control anymore. I'm I'm showing that I'm the bigger person by willing to reward them. I also like here's the thing. Bill hall in the chat points out like that's not going to be tamer speech. And I'm like what you're probably right. I I don't I don't think that's going to be her speech. I want. Want that to be if she gave it that it would work? Also, I think candy will have a really good speech. I think candy's going to be really good in the final two, especially with a warm. Welcome from the Jerry. They're not going to be very hostile toward candy, which is going to give her an opening. All right. Well, let's just hope that taymor gets to the end with anybody. But candy that way, I don't have to lose this argument. I say just just offend you that I will say like if you look at the past seasons, even like when Josh one on nineteen tyrannous, usually right when it comes to parsing through what the jury has said, but they're happened since of prizes that we're just like what the F word evac come from. So you never know what these people, and it only takes I think it's only gonna take a couple of boats flip flip a result. Here. We all remember big brother Canada four where we thought we were reading material and not reading, Jerry. It sounds. So she kind of made it impossible. Like, I think they would've voted for her. But she kind of made it Kelsey. We're about winning won't go get certainly they changed. They wanted to vote for her. But she she was like laying in up there, and he has so I think I think that team ours. Best shot was low low winning and taking taymor. I think that's potentially off the table. Now. I think now her best shot is probably Ricky winning and taking tame are and then against Ricky. She needs to hope that she has the votes as Jonathan said if it's Ricky versus Tomar, then he doesn't know what he would do. That's where I could see Jonathan easily siding with taymor. If he sides with Tamar than Taimur has shot, even then not exactly sure. Shadow wants us to address the first incurs. Okay. People really trying patients like this is like this is so dumb. This is like everything in the world. That's never happened. And it's a thing until it happens. And then you're like, oh, well that was obviously easy like white N that happened before like, it's just a fluke of circumstances that the person who is I in has never won big, brother. Obviously if I was a contestant on big, brother. I would make an effort not to be the first one in just because I don't wanna hear the shit from the vans. But that doesn't mean I really believe in that bullshit hammering am I remembering wrong that you were kind of all aboard the Tyler can't win because he won the have. I was re tweeting that but that's that was unclear. A different town occurs. That was that was the point in time. Right. Oh, really got off the train. Yeah. But no there, you're right. There's a great ex- K CD comic about this where they go through every single presidency and with every single one, it's you know, this has never happened until this president was elected. This has never happened. And they go all the way through all of the president's. It's pretty fun. So all right anyway. I'm gonna give taymor of four as well. I think that's I think that because she is likely to be there and juries are unpredictable. She's got a little bit of that magic going for her. I think if Ricky takes her she's got a little bit of a shot, I was tempted to give her a three, but I did feel like Lolo deserve to be a level lower than her. So I went with a four and the audience agrees with Melissa and myself once again, and they gave her a four, and that's right. That's that's the stock watch right? All right. So now, you guys are going to send your your picks your final buying and selling decisions to Alexandra. I'm going to go over some of these these bonus questions and before you do just to be clear. The winner of the stock watchers the person who has the most shares of the winning contestant corrects. And if there's a tie for shares between more than one of us, then we actually never addressed this. But I'm thinking that should be broken on the value of your portfolio like yeah. At the end, okay. 'cause are. Yeah. How about how much cash on hand? Right. Yeah. Your portfolio would technically be the same probably because every everything else would bankrupt except for like tamer wins. Yeah, I'm trying to get you money. Leftover though like I'd have three dollars left over you'd have five dollars. And then you would win because you have more cash on what we'd probably do is who who accumulated the most amount of profit over the course of the season or something along we'll figure something out online money. Melissa would probably not win talk. I saw that. How many people I have right now. And I was like where did they all go? Everybody. Could also do stock and run our we'll we'll discuss a tiebreaker. Like a rob bottle that Tom green stops? Yeah. That was that was not a great move. So really three people at. Most is better. All in on, Tom. I don't even know lost a lot. We lost a lot. I do want to say last night brought up an image that I saw of of the mooch who had signed like, I swear. It was preplanned twist is. All the image was real it came from Collette from the the big brother gossip podcasts onto give them a shout out for that image and story. They was her sister. Who went and got the thing. So this is a point in time where Melissa and I are going to be deciding what we want to do. And we're intentionally not going to be looking at Taryn so chat. Yes. We're not paying attention to him for the most part. Okay. Is there deal? Why do they hate us so much time there like tearing them in a Muslim? Brent look so uninteresting what say like, wow rank game that they're not helping people are very critical of what you're doing when they can see you on the screen all the time. That's the I don't like this. I want to go back to Google hangout. Where I mean my nose when I'm not on screen. Man. So Mandy these results are slow to load here. Let's let's get this going. I will say this was a record low in terms of the season. At least in terms of responses for the form of people. Really sweating. Yes. This week last week we had the highest amount all season. And then this week. We've hit the lowest amount all season. I think that people are really excited about the craziness in Tom's h and people have started to lose interest a little bit. We also once we get to that question. I'll let you know about how low people have raided the season or this week at least when this loads endlessly circling. Taryn tap dance. So every. Take some questions from the chat. People ask Karen. How much muscle? He's gained in the past year. Let me know if you have any questions in the chat, we'll do a quick little question off here. I'm sure there are other other stuff that that we were here we final. Almost never mind. It's not there. I was just kidding. It's not just. Why does the LLC hate the chats? Timothy. We love to chat you guys just think attack usually nice to us. But today they've been. So mean, the child is like stream of consciousness, like whatever you guys think in EPA top of your head that you normally wouldn't necessarily say in real life. You just like put it in the chat because you're like, oh, well, I thought of this. So I might as well put it in the chat and everybody will think is funny, or shady or whatever. Like, that's why it's coming off a stream of consciousness and more. Like, you know, knock it off. Someone said what's your secret Taryn, listen to the Taryn show with Mike the candy the personal trainer, by the way? Can you put the stock watch prices again or just tell me what they are because they disappeared from the screen. You will you. Him up right there. Let's see what else have we here. No. There's a problem looting your results. I can see that one say I'm sorry, guys. I should not have reloaded the page to lift the late answers in. Who is who in the celeb- BB house eats, golden gram cereal? I don't know that answer. I think Matt's not getting there. Q much money. I feel like it was easier. When I could only pick one person or something. Now, I feel like I have too many people that are too much money to get rid of spend. It all spend it all. Polarizing about a Tom green interview. Can we get a Tom green interview? There have been some people reaching out to him on Twitter that I've seen. That's always helpful. If you if you Titian people if you say, hey, look, there's a podcast you can do this. But so far he has not responded to any of those. So obviously, we would love to interview on any of these people. But, but if you want to Tom green interview, don't harass him. But just let them know this podcast exists and see if he's interested. Sorry. I'd like literally just interrupting like thoughts that pop into my head about what I'm doing right now. And I feel like there's no point meet picking any day marble that I have a feeling great now Brent is like writing down like twenty by twenty March dot really feels like oh, I'm not going to buy any taymor. Right. You don't need a Zimba. You don't need to buy any time are so yeah, I see what you're doing. They're all I'm saying is I already how. Oh, think that you're you're going to win on tamer? Some mine games happening right now God, this is hard. I honestly I saved a lot of money last time because I was like I'll know a lot more next time. Now, Billy, I know less. Stopwatch. I'm just so bad at it. Will there be a stock watch for for the candidates seven? Yes. And it will be fun. Often this is turning into I work. How question guest. I train four days a week. Let's see. Yes, we covered with a Canada didn't mean through weekend. All right. I'm really starting to just run out of things here. Opening up the survey on my phone to see if that works, and we're gonna see how that analyze here we go. All right. I've got my phone. Thank you. Okay. So let's talk about some of these bonus questions. I we have the question of how would you rate the episodes of big brother this week? And we got an answer of about four point six down from last week. It's not not looking great for the episodes. But yeah, people people not really enjoying the season this week. At least the episodes last time had a five point six this week a four point six down a full point. They we also asked how would you rate the feeds this week? And this one surprised me actually, very very high drop here. Last week. The feeds were six point three this week the feeds a three three out of ten people did not like the feeds this week. So really really dropped in enjoyment there. How would this week of big brother overall a four point one compared to a six point three eight last time? This is this is a record low in turn. Terms of enjoyment for the season even on big brother twenty when we had like five weeks of like, you know, post climax of the season. It was still up in the eight this season down to a four point one overall. Not great. I asked you to rank your favorite player, your play favorite players from least favorite or most favorite to least favorite. And I was very curious to see what this would look like here. There's only five people left. So who is going to be the favourite has any guesses. No, I realized I just made a map there, actually. Candy candy is the the massive favorite here. Big big big favourite for candy. She got eighty percent of the first rankings eighty percent everyone. Loves candy, followed by taymor, pretty dramatically behind the actually sorry. No, not follow tamer had the second. Most first place finishes Dina actually came in second. Dina was the second most favorite player that surprising me. Really do. You know was the second most popular I think they're taymor gets or you said Deena was second most popular players ever. Yeah. I think it's markets for the number one. She danced on Thomas gray, which I know she wasn't doing that some people because she wasn't doing that. Brent? But that's what it came off as her doing, and she kind of gets lumped into that whole bedroom and some of the meanness that's happened over there. Although to be fair, I feel like that of the three of them Natalie even Marie Lolo taymor taymor has contributed the least to that. But she's also had a few zingers here. And there that people might remember. Yes. Natalie, by the way, in exit interviews is talking about how she's finally found out that Tom is well liked and that he feels like he was she said he feels like he was bullied, and so she she kind of was like, well, let me just say that if a straight white rich man can feel like he was bullied by three women, and I think we're winning and then she was like. Just just just kidding bully. The definition of bullying is feeling if making someone feel unsafe so Tom if I made you feel unsafe. I am sorry felt a little bit. Like a non apology to me a total on an apology. Anything that's just to make you feel bad. When you bring up when you start with the definition of anything, you're saying. So so yes, Dina was second candy had an average had had a number of four point six is candies. Number Dino down at a three points three point two. And then taymor wasn't third. Just barely beating Ricky with a two point seven Ricky with a two point four and then low low in last place with a one point nine low, not exactly a fan favourite. I asked also who is getting your vote for America's favorite very curious about this one. Should is shocking answer. Now, I'm getting. Seventy three percent of people said they're voting for Tom to get America's favorite player. All right. Actually, I will say like that makes a lot of sense because I finally got my mom's finally caught up on the show. So she was able to give me the casual a casual opinion of what's going on. She was like live texting me while she was watching the double eviction. And she was like I before that. She's like, Tom one. Everything's great. He's h h this is so awesome. And then it was like, oh my God jobs on the blog. He's gonna go home. This is so awful. She's like, this is the worst. I don't wanna watch the show anymore. And so basically, she's like, and then she told me to tell everyone to vote for Tom green for her America's favorite momma. Okay. Well, I'll do that to vote for taymor. Seriously. She's given us the most entertainment like, I know Thomas giving us entertainment, but I really feel like taymor has given us like the most entertaining. He is not a fan. I know I'm just gonna say. Apper Makhachkala perspective. It's possible. That by being who knows if people actually follow what my mom is saying. But like just from what I know. I don't I don't think I'm sure he appreciates your mom's help. But I don't think he needs any help. I think he's going to win each. That like the my mom's casual perspective, and like from like only watching the television show is that she really loved Tom and Kato together. She thought they were gray. And then she likes candy. But it was really sad for her. When Tom left all the nice people. Yeah. All the nice people. Yes. If I if I had to put my money on anyone I would definitely put it on Tom green here. I think that he definitely has a big advantage here second place, and before you reveal that I hope they have cameras trained on Lolo, Ricky taymor and Natalie when they revealed at Tom is is the don't screw me over this. He did not give me cameras when Cody one America's favorite player. I am bitter about that still listen to me. Here's the problem. Lolo already expects Tom to win America's favorite. She is talking about how you know, they told us beforehand that you should do things late at night. And and Tom was doing these silly things late at night. So he's probably gonna win. Okay, taymor. I think is a lot more likely to be a bit surprised by Ricky. I feel like Ricky would probably kind of expect it at this point to. So we need to reveal the top three. Did they reveal the top theory when Ross one thing. So I don't think they did. I think they were just like oh. They want people to know on a top three. Yeah. You do not make the top three wondering else anything or if it's just like whoever wins. Yes. Okay. So second place for America's favorite was. In fact. Candy candy. Yes. Candy second place with about eight point seven percent of the vote compared to Tom's seventy three. And then taymor wasn't third place with eight point six percent of the vote reveal the top three bend. I might that might help sued the wounds a little bit there. If I tame are knows that she's in the top three. And I think they might like to announce team from the top three. So we'll see Ryan was in fourth place with three point on. My God, y'all get a life. Get a life. It was not a lot of people. But look. People like Ryan. All right. So there was a little bit confusion about this question. But I was wondering if you were Lolo during her double of addiction HOA train who would you want to put up on the block who would you want to be the final nominees? This was a pretty straightforward one candy, and Tom where the obvious choices. And that's what the audience decided. I also asked about Ricky's HOA. Who'd you want on the block if you were Ricky once again what Ricky decided to do DNA? In candy were the top two vote getters there. I also asked who do you think is going to win? The stock watch. Carrie, I have won the last two, but go ahead. Please proceed. In last place with ten percent of the vote, rob sestina. Yeah. Not in last place. That was the Tom green of it. All. In third place with nineteen percent of the vote. Melissa denny. Yeah. I'll never win. You guys her right? Yes. And with forty percent of the vote between myself and Brent the audience decided Taryn is going to stock. Don't care about history. You don't care. He's stepped in it more times than not. But that's fine. I technically have the most like liquid value here in terms of. Stock value plus cash holdings, but not by much Brent is very close. And you had thirty percent of the vote behind behind myself. It was about right now. Thirty percent like me seventy haters. That's about right. Yeah. I was asked who do you want to be a victim this week pretty dramatic one here. All eighty seven percent said Dina they want to over candy and Dina's totally fine. And we like her but girl by we don't need you anymore. And I think it would be pretty Connick to four people of color at the end of big brother celebrity too. I think you're going to be critical. We offer Gabby here. And wondering talking about it. So it's like actually close to potentially happening. It didn't seem like it was going to when candy was endangered but Kendra not being danger anymore and good on her for saving her. But yes, yes, absolutely interesting to know candy has been on the who do you want to be a victim this week poll for three out of the four times? I did it. And the first time she was not the person that they wanted to victory. The second time she was the person that you wanted third time not affected. It's been a roller coaster for candy. I love Pokemon in a chat. Don't people want Brent fired from rob as a podcast, always poking? There's contingent out there. He's always a petition poll question. Think brench should be fired from. That was that was a question how it should be. Oh, it should be. I was like oh was like, oh you predicted the future. Okay. So I am not even close to ready for the buying and selling quite yet. I'll talk to the chat while we do have a jury votes to go over. Okay. So the the audience predict who you thought the jury would vote for. So what we'll do here is we'll quickly go through each person. And then we'll talk about final two pairings because I think that's an easier way to talk about it. So we want to too much commentary on the person selves. We'll just go over the final two pairing. So. Who would Dina vote for in the final two people? Say candy. I followed by Ricky followed by tame taymor, followed by Lolo. I do want to disagree with this one based on Dina's conversation with Lolo today. I think that Lola would actually be number two potentially there after candy. Yeah. I agree with the survey people on this one. I think that I think she was blown smoke up her ass. I really do. I think she was just trying to make sure that she stays. I think like her. I think she's she thinks that Lolo is a mean girl, and she still holds a responsible for the way the season has gone. So I don't buy that. I think she I think she votes for Loa last. Right. Well, we'll we'll see. We'll see. Could candy vote for people say taymor. I followed by DNA followed by Ricky, and then Lolo last I think this is. Pretty accurate. I think pretty accurate given the way things stand right now. She knows she can't stay in. You know, unless Dina goes, actually, I think she would Beaufort Gina over. Yeah. I was on. If there was if there was an avenue for her to do that. But given that that's not on the game board. I think that she's most likely to vote for taymor. I yes, who would Lolo vote for in the final two people said Ricky, I which agree tame our second. I agree unless taymor cuts Ricky and Lolo in which case, I think she might not followed by candy followed by DNA. I think this is probably correct. Who would Ricky vote for? It is Lolo I followed by tame mar. But this is kind of a close vote and then handy. I actually think that he would vote for Tim are over Lolo. I I don't think he's feeling low low as much lately and low has been nicer to him in terms of assuring him that she's going to take into the end. So if if Natalie is able to talk to Ricky in any capacity, I think she's going to be like, don't you dare we're giving it to our girl. And I think that he would probably go along with that. But I do agree that there's so hard to inclination toward taymor. Again. He he does not like that little oh would not promise him a final two. So that's something important to know. Who would Tom vote for people said candy. I obviously he's said as much Dina second. That's another obvious one. Then Lolo followed by Ricky followed by taymor. I I'm inclined to believe it's Ricky lo lo tame mar. Myself. But I don't know if you guys disagree. Are we talking about sorry? I was reading the chat. Tom Tom would be most likely to vote for rigging trail Lolo? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, obviously. Danny on on the fact that Ricky was mean to him. I think that they're focusing more on the girls, and I don't really see Ricky's naming brought up. So it's possible that it will sort of fade from his memory that he and Ricky hardly a little thing. Tom still has this dick measuring contests with Ricky. And I feel like that by voting for him at the end he's able to say like that he's the bigger, man. Now, I don't know if that also, but also I and he even said this to Ricky he was, hey, you're only here because I kept you like, I think that it's like, hey, I decided the winner. Like, I the reason Ricky one is because I took him off the block. So I think that gives him some level of agency, or at least makes them feel that way Natalie said people said Lolo, I buy a mile followed by Ricky followed by Tamar followed by candy. And then Dina I again, I think that if k mart cuts Lolo and Ricky might be a different story. I also think that there's a small chance she goes Ricky over Lolo, depending on how the final speeches play out. She had a very strong connection with Ricky. And she's talked very highly about him outside of the house. She also loves Lola though, and Lolo has been doing some some Twitter Jerry management there. So I am inclined to believe it's more likely to be little over Ricky. But I would also not be super surprised if she went Ricky. Jonathan people say candy. I sorry deana. I followed by candy followed by Ricky followed by taymor. And then a low low last, obviously, I would disagree with that. I think the Tae is at least number three unless I listen to this. I've heard what he said I heard it. But I still think that in the end he would vote for a player if she gets any semblance of a final two speech at the end on right? So we we've gone over some of these other ones already, and I don't think a whole lot has changed quite yet. So let's start to go over the pairings here. We've talked about taymor versus candy we've discussed how we feel about it. The audience would predict that Dina is a vote for candy. They audience would predict that tame Maher is a vote. Sorry. Low low is a vote for taymor. So that's one to one Ricky would be a vote for taymor. That's two to one tame are. Really going to go through all these like that. Do you need to do something? It's because it's it's not opening on my. Harder to scroll through here. Mike. I'm like, we're really not going to get through forty five different ones with either. We Tom is tame is K candy Natalie is tame mar Jonathan is candy. And then Ryan candy. Joey candy Kato candy. So the audience would predict a six to three victory there for candy. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that's probably the most likely. I like I said I put my flag in the sand. Onta- I think she can win. It's not going to be easy. She's gotta give speech, and she's got owner shit. I don't know if she will. She might the thing about is that she can be a little defensive sometimes if they come out or at all in the jury questioning at all if they come out of her I think she could be a little bit defensive, and that's not going to be a great look on her. But I have. So I have to concede that it's probably more likely than not that candy beats Tae six to three or five four. But I do think it's possible that the team are could win probably like thirty percent chance at this point. All right. So let's say low low wins. She takes Ricky how does that play out? I believe the audience has Ricky winning potentially eight to one. Yeah. Is what it's looking like from the audience that almost everyone except for Natalie voting for Ricky to win. Overload. I don't think it would be that dramatic. I do think that like I said, I think Joe might go four Lolo based on his Instagram post. But I'm not buying that. I think there's I think there'll be a lot of group think when it comes through celebs like they all wanted. Okay. Who we've only for what's the consensus. Okay. We're all voting for that person. I mean, if it's not going to be that had been it's going to be like five to four, but I think five to four is more likely than like, seventy two or something. Yeah. And then Ricky versus tame, mar I'm looking at these votes, and it is I think. Wow. I think it's eight to one predicted. For ricky. I think that we have candy as the tame our vote against Ricky into the audience things all the other votes would go to Ricky lies seats. Yes. Again. I think that's a little more dramatic than than I would personally predict. But, but I do think that Ricky has the advantage there Ricky has Natalie and Lolo I think that he has. Not sure about Dina. But I do think he has Tom and Kato that's four and then he just needs one more from Jonathan Ryan, Joey or Ordina. And then there's I think one other person. But either way I think that he has a pretty significant lead there. So yes, that's. Any other any other jury scenarios that we should go through any likely final twos? I think we've come. I mean to be blunt on board. That's that's everything we had sorry. This segment. Got a little messed up guys. It's I can't look at all the data technology. Have you done your thing? He's yet your by themselves. He doesn't. Why said you want me to talk while like you do some shit. So like to cure stuff. All right, right, right, go. Go ahead. What is it that you wanted to bring up nothing? I wanted. I wanted to talk to the Chad. Because everyone was asking me whether or not the Dina catfish story is going to be covered at the finale, and I have to say that it makes Dino look stupid. And I don't think they're going to do that to her face. The only way that the cap is story comes up is number one. If they absolutely verify that this is the guy, but most importantly, number two, if Dina is onboard for it like the only way this happens if if they talked to Dina separately and say in the event that you're victim or app. A finale we're going to bring this guy up on stage. How would you feel about that? I don't think that Gina wants to meet him. So I think there's no university or where. Dina's catfish guy if that is him on Twitter, and I actually don't believe that Tim on Twitter on stage, yellow yellow crazy. This is where Twitter like now. I don't think that I don't think anything is going to happen about that. I think that was just supposed to be like a funny segment, and then it's over although at the same time I kept saying that there's never going to be a proposal on big brother twenty and well here we are. So. You know, you never know what people are going to do at the finale, right mooch better. Not get a jury vote, by the way when you're done interrupt me. So I I know you're done mooch better. Not get a jury vote big six sec- banana says in the chat, I love that name, by the way. I don't think there's any universe where he gets a jury. But we're not talking about it. They specifically said that he's not a player. He said he was a twist he signed a shirt that said he was a twist so girl by he doesn't get a vote. I don't think that's that's at all ability, by the way. Yes. I am aware that read it is not currently a fan of me. I think that they were a little bit. But hurt over the fact that I defended swaggie a little bit on Twitter because I felt like people were really really coming for him. And I feel like people pick on him. So but right. It's not having with me. But you know, what read it will come back read it stands me at different times. So just depend to posts exactly at one post. That's like everyone saying me and stuff about you or any of us. And then another post literally at the exact same time is going with people saying nice things. Yeah. I get messages, by the way from people I got at least five different messages for people who are like I posted something in defensive you in read it, and I got down voted to bid so be thankful for that. Brent? I am thankful for that. I just want you to know. Working erin. So it's it's difficult because I'm. I'm gonna do it. We're just going to go here. I talk it out. It's a tricky one. Okay. So basically, let's let's open up the buying and the selling here. Let's do it all together. In my holdings that are shown right now. And we also have what's been lost on the right? I do have like I said, I have the most overall value. So it's really about who I put my money into. And then also. The difficult part is trying to calculate everyone else's value. And seeing what I need to do to guarantee of a majority in one person. And then how much I have left over to put into a secondary person. I do have enough to do that. But I I and fortunately don't have enough brain power at the moment to calculate everybody's potential buying. So I'm just going to kind of go all in on one person. And and then see how we go from there. So I the first thing I'm gonna do right away isn't going to sell all of my Dina. I've got five shares of Dina. I'm going to sell all five of them to pick up a twenty dollars there. I am also going to sell my taymor for another five. And I started this round with thirty eight dollars to spend. I know what's coming. Do. You. So wrong. I. I might as I feel like maybe I should just keep Lola. We'll keep Lolo for now. We'll see how this goes, basically. I'm looking at Ricky and candy as my most likely winners. That's that's what I'm thinking right now. I have one of Ricky I have none of candy. Brent and Melissa both have won candy. I am the only person that owns any Ricky. So it's a tricky one. I think if I play my cards, right potentially get a majority in both. But it's it's risky business to attempt. It Alexandra is saying that you have sixty three dollars just stuff. Why? Right. So I could buy I could buy twelve Ricky's to make a total of thirteen if I wanted to. And I'm pretty sure that is untouchable. I could buy twelve candies. I make twelve candies and that is also untouchable. So over it. I'm pretty sure that Brent is going to go in on taymor a little bit. Or at least he's not going to sell his tail. So I will have a decent enough lead on him there. He probably understands that he doesn't need to buy much more tame Mark because he's the only one that actually thinks that he needs taymor. I've seen him cover his mouth there. So maybe he didn't think that. So here's the thing. I think that candy has has a good shot. I think Ricky as a good shot Ricky's in my draft. So if I want to diversify I can buy a lot of candy. And then if either of them win, I'm still a winner. And at least one thing or I could double down on Ricky and try to win both. But but I everyone loves I like I like playing it safe. I like playing the odds here. So I'm gonna go ahead and. Oh, man. Melissa got so upset when I talked about how much Ricky I could have I feel like she went in on Ricky. I know I was just thinking like this exactly why I never win. The stock watch is because like I'm all about don't tell him anything by one information or teen poker player to do that. I would literally. Have any look all in thing is that I would never think by teen of someone. I would just be like oh by one for stock. All right. So Melissa probably didn't buy more than nine of anybody. Laney right now. I knew why she's really she's really playing Alexander's like Melissa purchase. Fifteen ricky's. So I am going to go ahead and. I'm going to buy. I'm going to go with. Oh, it's so hard. Do I go at the rate of Melissa? Or do I go with candy? It's so hard. I'm gonna go. Okay. Let me just quickly calculate. I'm sorry guys. Let me quickly calculate. How much Melissa has here. She started me intentionally because I'm trying to give away. She starts with thirty seven dollars. She she owns to Dina and one candy that means she can sell if she wants a total of thirteen which means a total of forty one dollars. If she wanted to buy all Ricky, she could buy eight Ricky with forty dollars. So if I buy nine Ricky, I guarantee myself more Ricky than her that would only leave me with four additional candies or actually only need to buy eight Ricky's to get nine. So then I can buy five candies, and then hope that that's enough candy all Brent needs to do is by four candy time either and five to beat me. And that's not too hard for him given how much money he has. But he thinks the candy might not win. So I'm gonna go ahead. And I'm going to do that. I'm going to buy eight Ricky to get to nine Ricky. And then I'm going to buy. An additional five. No sorry. Eight Ricky and then four full four candy. I think. Oh, if I sell my Lolo than I can buy another candy. I'm going to do that. So that's what I'm going to do there. Let's see what that leads me to remember. Please. Again. I apologize. If that's too long. I do. But watching or listening to you work it out because you were like, you're like, I might go this way this way, so bad. There's that possibility. Yeah. Yes. It was it was a tough call. And I honestly I feel like I could probably even sell a Ricky and get another candy. And then they were saying in the chat can we get that math Jeff imposed over? Okay. Last thing I'm going to sell one of those Ricky's, and I'm going to get another candy. I'm gonna go with eight Ricky total and then six candy and hope that that's a majority on both. And we're gonna see how this goes. Okay. So what are you doing? I ate Ricky six candy is what I'm going with is that what you have total. Or is that what you have like today? That's what I have total. Okay. What you mean by I'm waiting for the job? Update. Eight. I'm listening. Okay. So I'm hoping that even if even if Melissa went with eight Ricky's, then we'll tie and my my overall value. We'll we'll beat here on a tiebreaker. All right. Brent? What did you choose? What did I choose hold on one side? Let me go to let's go down the list. Okay. So I obviously I believe she's going to be did. So I sold my Ford Zena shares I had thirty dollars coming into this week so selling four Dina shares Dina's currently priced at four dollars. So that gives me an extra sixteen dollars. So now, I have forty six dollars to spend and I currently own three taymor and one candy based on after I go ahead. And so my Dina so I felt pretty confident that people would leave me alone tame are so I purchased one taymor stock and I bought eight shares of candy, which leaves me with a one dollar at the end. So I went all in on candy buying H-shares of candy, and I bought one share of K KMart thinking that people would leave me alone about one more just in case. Yes. I wanted to protect myself. I do want to do something stupid. So I own at the end of this. I own nine shares of candy overall because I had one coming into tonight. And I also own total of four shares of jamar that is where I stand at this point with one dollar leftover, and I took the lead in candy, and then some by the way. Yes. All right, Melissa. What did you do? Well, I did have somebody like him. I did not by fifteen Ricky or whatever that I did not by fifteen candy. I just bought re- Recci three candy and to Lolo. Ooh. Tricky. I just yeah. I was like could about three Ricky and nine candy. So who's better poker player now? I really didn't. I really didn't expect you to to take the shotgun approach. Just make I got it this. But yeah. By the way, I did keep my DNA because I figured you has it. L it and then the only one with Dina stuff early with any DNA or Lois stocks. So if something crazy happens at the end one of them wins, and you're definitely business except just like we just got the numbers in from rob. Rob bought six Dino, rob is going to end with sixteen and nine Lolo. Well, then I got enough that has a majority in zero players. That's my thing. I think I thought you were good, Melissa. I really didn't. I have told everyone multiple times that I am so bad at the stock watch bad. I don't want wanna I don't want to sell them because I'm like that just shows. I have no faith in them. So I keep them. And then they go out the door, and they lose all my money. So yeah, rob says Lolo or GTS. Oh, I'm all in on Ricky, rob is all in on Lolo. That's what's happening right now. I'm literally Naga win period for this whole season whether the draft or the or the stock watch there either I don't think denies winning and I had a very good chance coming into this double of action, but I lost both players in the double of addiction Melissa getting decimated. Some for those of you listening to audio version Taryn has now taken the lead in Ricky by a whopping eight shares to none for me, and rob and Melissa. So here's the here's the lead Ricky wins. He's going to win. This stock watch. If candy wins the game, I will win the stock. Watch by base stealing nine don't care. I am too Dina. If if Dina wins the game rob wins. If Lolo wins the game, rob wins the stock watch. And finally if Tamar wins the game, I win the stock watch. So I had two chances. Rob chances Taryn has Rick Martin you have. I correctly predicted. It would. Yeah. I predicted no one would try to challenge KMart. And then I was like, oh, no. Spit it up if you had bought taymor with your shock, and then I crossed a mouth, so. Oh, well, that's okay. Fact myself out of it. Yes. Alright. So there you go. That's the stock watch. We'll see how this plays out. And and like I said, we'll we'll also when we do this season wrapup they've been playing along in the patron group, and we'll give a shout out to whoever wins the stock watch in the patriot group there this this this decision is going to haunt me for the rest of my days of candy wins. Have had it could we would you have ever bought nine shares of candy or I almost I almost went nine candy and three Ricky that was going to go by the end. So I that's why I was like I'll put a little bit of Ricky, and but I don't need to put so much. I mean, you'd go all in with candy. I really did. Definitely definitely a risk. But I didn't think you'd I thought you would like try to have your cake and eat it too, which creates credit. It's more. I would rather win by like by check like tech like technical checkmate, or whatever it is. Then then like putting all on black and getting lucky, but that's the way I play. I know. It's worked for you in the past. All right. So this is really a much more visual podcast than than most of the time. Probably. And again, I is if if I took too long, I'm I need to find a better better better method of figuring out. Mike is this person for a sorry for big brother candidate? We can work in a segment where I have something ready to go. We're most definitely and then you can just check out for like three to five minutes Brent's ranting segments. Sometimes I don't have something to rant about. So sometimes I've already done. It stacked is asking are we going to cover the feats next done? I'm thinking that shade stack. That sounds like shade. We covered everything. Like there's so many happening right now. Obviously, I'm not watching the feeds. So if any guys in the chat, let me know if something happened within the past hour that I need to catch up on. But I think I think we've got it covered. Yes. So there you go. I also we should probably say based on the ratings that the audience let me just get back to the ratings the audience thinks that candy is playing the best game followed by Ricky. And then then Dina then tame our than Lolo. So that's that's how the audience ranks the remaining players thus far in the game. I think it'll be very interesting to see what how this plays out after the season ends and everything like that. So we go anything else that you guys want to bring up before we wrap this up. Nothing. I am very excited for the end here, by the way. Big brother candidates seven starts. What is it like March seven I want to say. March seven so obviously, we're going to get some pre pressed before that. So we've got like two weeks year off, and then it's back up to speed for big brother Canada, seven, which I am super psyched about they always outdo themselves. Really Canada last year. They did not listen to me and did not show the feeds as much as I would like. But I'm hoping that I'm always hopeful. I'm always optimistic Taryn. You never know. Yes. I'm not seeing that anything major happened on the feeds that we head. Apparently stacked stacked missed the beginning of the podcast. And I was like well. Yeah. That's that's that's where we talk about it. Yes. We have we've covered it. We have covered it up. We were up to speed on the shenanigans in the big brother house right now. I guess I guess maybe Lolo is still thinking maybe she doesn't want candy. I still think tomorrow would get her way. But I could be wrong. Somebody said something in Chad. Where it was. Oh, I don't know where it went. Anyway, seeing tame Lolo talking to tame mar. And she's talking about how she thinks candy will take Ricky to the end and tamers telling Lolo Ricky will take you before he takes candy Lolo says, I don't think so says don't be dumb says I'm being honest taymor says I don't feel that. So it sounds like low is not quite on board the keep candy. Yup. They don't need her the. I admit that it's a it's an element that they're thinking about. But at the end of the day of taes like Ricky, we should keep candy here because you know. We would rather her be a Representative of our season than Dina. I think that that's probably enough. And I don't I don't think that I think Ricky would care about something like that. And I'm just gonna be like I'm gonna keep it real guys. Like, I don't think it's totally lost on the house guests that by victim Dina. It would ensure that we have the first woman or well, we have an all final four people of color. Have you talked about it in the house that I think it's in the back of their head though, when when they say things like, well, you know, we don't want Gina to be the Representative our season. She hasn't played the game. Like, we also say we don't want candy either. I think maybe you're right. I think they thought of that they're enough that they they don't care really baffler. Really? On it. Like, maybe maybe. But I yeah, I don't I don't like this from Lolo. It sounds like it's maybe not quite as solid as we thought. But I do still think that it seems like Ricky's leaning toward keeping candy especially after she promised him that she would take him to the final two tie. And I don't think Marston Jew than ours. Going to unless Kenny gets into with tomorrow our tonight, I think that there's no universe where a tame our votes. Do the candy which is hilarious when you look back at like one and two. I wanted to with the candy. Here's the thing. At least now if candy does somehow get a victim, there's going to be at least a little part of me. That's like at least Brent loss at least French just wasted nine. Shares some strong little all right? Right. So it's been it's been a season. It's been a bit of a rough season. I think that a lot of people have have checked out at this point. I think a lot of people are not super happy about it. There's still some people that are enjoying the season. I think it was a fun enough ride in terms of just like how crazy it was. I'm very glad that we have candy in the house, and you know. I would hope I would hope we have a better season next season. Personally. It was not my favorite season. If I were to rate this week in big brother, it would probably be down to maybe like four. Yeah. Honestly, this is not been a fun season for me at all. But at least short, it's true. I think that if candy wins, then it's probably depending on how she wins. But I think it's at least five total for me. Maybe a six if if Ricky wins, it's probably a four if Lolo wins is probably like three Ariella. If if Dino wins is probably like a four of taymor wins. Maybe maybe like a five because that would be interesting at least but overall I'm just not super high on the season. The way it should have been easy to predict what I was going to do in a stock watch. Because remember as far as big brother, Canada six goes. And big brother twenty goes, I won the draft. And I won the stock watch on both of those seasons. And if you look at what I have left in the draft anymore and candy left in the draft. And actually, I didn't think about it when I was doing this. But you know, there's a part of me like buys what I want to win. So I purchased taymor and candy stock and I have those dominated right now. So if are or candy wins the other game, I have one the stock watch. And I have one the draft for the third season in a row. I mean like shut it down. But I knew I knew you'd go in on candy. I just hope that I would have enough leftover but do not do not. All right. You can you can let me know if you have a hashtag for this for this podcast. It's been a bit of a long one. I hope you enjoyed it. A little miss a few missteps along the way, but we had fun fun. So let me know if you already hashtag ideas, you can find us on Twitter. I'm at Armstrong Taryn, Melissa at Melissa. The longest one ever. Threes, and you can find Brent one lucky gay or one lucky straight another. I'm seeing hashtag J. P? Math LLC math. L L ac- map is probably unless there's only better. Yeah. Terrence time make it sometime. Yeah. Shock starts Lolo. Stocks. Stocks is in bad. Lo-lose stocks Ello Ello crazy in order to make the pun work. Let's let's Lillo stocks. Probably another raybird loves they were low stocks and actually probably not I think it probably was worse last week last week. We'll this season has been really low. All right, hashtag, low low stocks. That's ELO stocks. Thank you, everyone for joining us over the course of the entire season will of course, be live tomorrow night after the two hour finale all of us will be there. Rob Melissa Brent myself will be hanging out talking about the outcome and listening to Brent brag and not even care because candy one. Of course, tomorrow morning. I'll be live at eleven. Am eastern. I was I was I was going to own. I was trying to only cover the final four. But I still am not entirely. Sure, it's going to be left. So I might have to just like do very I feel like I won't do them Justice. But I need to talk about taymor at the very least and then candy, and or DNA and they're asking a chat. When are we going to do our wrap up later on this week? Maybe whenever we don't know. Play by ear depending like if there's information we need to know about like what the jurors were thinking or hearing exit interview. We try to pick the right spot. When we feel like we have adequate information about the season that we're not just repeating the finale coverage. Right. So we'll do that probably next week. Keep just keep keep updated. We will follow us on Twitter at Armstrong Taryn. So thank you everyone for joining us. I hope you enjoyed the podcast even if you didn't enjoy this season and for Brent and Melissa wait a minute. I forgot one more thing. Check out the block memory. This season's about to end. We recorded the first big brother three block memory over over last summer and into the fall check it out. If you're craving for good big brother when this season, ends checkout big brother three and check out the block memory. It's a lot of fun. I promise you can find that link on rob has website. And I will I will tweet it out again after the season ends. We'll have a nice big gap between now and big brother Canada. So it's a good thing to hold you over get you excited about big brother again. So that's got. 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Manon Mathews Caught Her Husband Cheating

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Manon Mathews Caught Her Husband Cheating

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Drive from to Lucas getting our guest. Today is men and Matthews. You may know from vine, but she is also a very, very funny stand up comedian who you've played caroline's you've I've seen it. You've been doing a great you lifted your city. No, you did the whole New York City Grind and she just came out with this amazing book called funny how it works out which I haven't had a chance to read yet, and it's so funny because she showed up today and she's like you're in a little bit but change your name how much so scared she's like she's there was this one fucking on. Tiffany, her attorney was Brittany Rooney. Let's call her spears. Like when you want people to get it but not but yeah, I, can't I'm so glad you're here you look. For having I am still shocked at this home like I feel really. Small but honored. I can't excuse me small Jennifer Aniston falls you. Thank you. Did you shit your pants? Yeah I I was doing I was doing a breath work class. which is what I had to do to mend my fucking heart started kindergarten. No. Yes. All right. Okay. I know I was like I don't know why I'm asking. But I see. Yeah I got done with breath breath work and I was holding myself like I got you man and you don't need a man I. got you. I got you and then after I got a text from or some somebody like I believe Jones falling you and I was like oh And then I looked and I D it was that was the best day of my life. Do you know her I mean? No, the Internet she found you Sir following you yeah. We message but Jamaa bostitch her. When she followed by. I. Would you follow me? I had to be like excuse me are the best. You're my you're Jennifer Aniston I. Love You. You're mazing you light up the world and she's like you do to Ivan she winked and then we spend chatted up ever since so I firmly believe her and I were we're GonNa do some great things together show? That'd be fine. You know what? It's because you have good solar energy. Your soul has always been so kind even when I was like on on men and was so nice to me I was like this miserable con on vine just. Like so curmudgeon just like pump out these videos men and was always I didn't think you'd like to me at all. You know I don't think I like myself and Problem one I didn't either I didn't know myself not you. I was just like I really still have a thing about I just want peace I'm a libra. Tommy's Libro in October twenty second. It's coming up right on the cusp. Spooky town coupet scooby what's We do dress them up I got a dog address them up I've never cared about that stuff at all and now I'm so excited you're gonNA dress. UTAH. Maybe, I'm going to be Lucy from I love Lucy and then he's GonNa maybe maybe I'll make the dog like ethel rookie or salt. What was the husband's name Ricky Ricky? Ricky Ricardo a will my God. How about the dog is ricky I can't down So I wanted speaking of relationships, Lucy, and ricky I like. Weird segue. That is. Speaking of TV shows, your marriage. What happened? Let's cut the. Up I love you so much I've like, no, we don't have to even talk about that right now I was gonna say like wh-. I always try to get to the worse with people because my biggest note has been on my podcast bike point of the literally people the biggest note that you guys have said on my podcast is there like it takes a while to get to the worst. So that's why I'm always like okay anyway. So it sounds worship. Though okay now. Okay. So we can start wherever you want like. Usually people talk about were states worst jobs worst sexual experiences worst I have so many of all of that right many remedy. Do I get that as many as you want like I'm just GonNa, let you drive. So you figure out where you want to start and say, tell me a story about when you whenever you when you're younger can be now. I my I make out was pretty horrific because I had such Oh my twenty seven. Three months ago on vine fighter no, it was. It was Well, we were talking about buying earlier so they wouldn't have reference to whatever I don't know. I, think it was like fourteen it was on fourth of July. So I was pretty old i. mean that old for me out well, when I hear people like now they're like nine now they're like four. Fuck my first. Is Six you're like. Okay. Yeah. So I was like a for me I was going into tenth grade whatever that is, and it was this guy who was just oh my God he was so hot. We call them hot. Asian he was half Asian half I know terrorists called him hot onto his face just like me and my friends what was his name? Totally American he's not even. Asia. David Asian guy named how Asian? Not that's literally what? Whatever Lake he was blake he sang really well, he was. I just had really high expectations because you talk about someone as if they're like God and he was really funny an Improv class. Shut. Blake your. And so when he pulled me aside, we were in a group of people at my House 'cause I've fourth of July gatherings and he pulled me aside and he's like you want do you want to go for walks housing? Okay and I'd never like this is like I've maybe have. Like packed someone someone. So for me I'm shaking anytime we'd be. Let's. Say Okay you're like, yeah, it's just really cold. Delighted. What's going on? Anyway we walk like for five minute we don't go very far from the pack and then he just starts kissing me but really disgustingly tongue everywhere like starts like hit I know really not inside. But outside on any and all my jeans like her on your genes you're like this is uncomfortable it really. I don't have much jeans. I had like forever. I had no money limited I grew up in Calabasas. We did not have money. Okay. So you I was the poor crops at the context. Yes CVs jeans. And and. He was Robin Kissing. So it was already I'm like not only are you to sticking your tongue down all around my mouth. Now it's my first time ever being touched there. Are you kidding me did I? Go off like. I just got really sad after I just thought osas. Built it up like movies and be like romantic and He was just bad at it. Yeah but I feel like he's done earth floor to no way he was he was. Like I feel like if he was that hot, I don't know maybe I'm generalizing really fast animalistic in and it was just very wet is do. What you do finish religiously cool. He's actually want to go back and I was like, okay and so we went back and then I went into my so at that time everybody was in and so my girlfriends were sleeping over and I walk in and they're like. Like how was it? Like we've been waiting for? I can't even believe this is happening. And he they were all like what it was hot. Asian it's terrible I. Bet, I feel bad like it sounds terrible now with everything going on. But back, then you're allowed to say whatever that if you want. Say. Anything you can't. You can't say you can't say any race without being. Yeah. So. That was terrible. So he sucked I wonder if got better. I don't know. Would you stay with him or ever find out later? Let's try this again, shot yeah. No I. I mean he worked at the theater and my mom knew the story. So like five years later, he'd always asked my mom she would go to the movie theater cows man and. And I don't know I. Don't really know what happened to him I. Think he's still out there bad kissing. It's terrible. I wasn't GonNa Bring hearst and doesn't it kind of sucked because then you think that's how everyone kisses. You don't feel called to do it. You're like you'll remember happened because it the the first time you do anything is anchored yankers that feeling. But it actually made everything after that. Really blissful. Yes. So when was the next time you kiss someone? I duNNo. Same joke twenty seven. I don't know I think I think it was like the guy I dated for a year and he was great kisser and that was someone in high school. Yeah. He ended up dating someone and then he was good. He was great. Well, thank God leave. Yeah it was wonderful. He was great. Hit a lip bring had big league team. Oh No. He was Scott he liked Scott Gang my bad. Yeah. Okay. Anytime. I date someone I just become them not anymore but definitely in high school I was just like Oh you like me to and then I would just go to all these skoll events and dancing and become like a part of it. Yeah. Drop kick me and I'm like it's everything you. Know, it's kind of weird actually that you say that because I feel like I'm very similar to you in a way where like if I hang out with someone enough I started to like adapt. To their personality I think everybody does that whether they want to admit it or not we can't help it. Right, like if you WANNA get drunk go to a bar be around other drunk people if you WANNA be into, it's like you can't help but be so impressionable as human you're just around that person so much I mean just Tommy, and I around each other all the time the all the time walk Dude Dude so much now my dad's like. How it raised. Sound like eighty five. Sack, it's actually crazy. Stuff of mine you know wears makeup. Yes. Whatever I do just getting. Kind of. Sort of Gnarly we'll talk about. no, but you know it kind of sets it does it's interesting. You say that when you're younger, your first experience with something does kind of set the pattern for what you're going to experience leader in your life for Higher GonNa. React to it. You know what I mean. Yeah and I think that we were talking about this too with vine and we're both on vine. If anyone remembers vine which I'm sure you do some of you. and. I mean I was a very different person then and I know you were too. And we were kind of talking about like how it made. You discover yourself in a way right? We were kind of saying like, do you in your opinion? Do you think it was more of a positive thing than negative thing for you with the? APP. I thought it was very positive for my. I didn't have any confidence going into anywhere as far as like the industries related. So I felt like it gave me the boost that I needed. So I didn't have to like ask for permission for things of that makes sense I felt like it brought back my childhood I used to film all the time when I was a kid but then I stopped. So then when vine happened, it was just like, okay I feel like a kid again and I'm around all these people like making fun stuff that I loved so much. The comments though that was that was you get mean comments. I yeah really. Yeah. I never found lever content offensive or anything for anyone to well me about. Well, there was like a beer where I gained weight from Prenton zone and so like the mean comments were like you're gaining weight and I'm like, oh Yeah. You have always been skinny. This just goes to show how delusional people are by the way because I'm sitting here with man and right now she's very since she's always been thin. You've been thin since I've known you. You will always be considered a thin girl always. So that's fucked up see that's how people get well. But when I took Prenton zone, I balloon like I got puffy. So I I don't know if I got fat, but it made you swollen. Yeah. Is it a steroid prednisone ask and what was IT FORSA FORFEIT? All sort of colitis after I did remember funniest wins do you know anything about that show? That was me Jason. Nash. Tiffany haddish and yeah I do and some minor some standups whatever I would did the show and I got pretty pretty far and then they had us do like Whatever they had us go to compton and be in the bar and like talked all these biker people and then I did a stand up set. That was basically the night got I got eliminated I. Think I was like for that month I held in and I was already predisposed to inflammation my gut or whatever. Like you know some people get headaches I get stomach aches, and so I got diagnosed with. When I was seventeen years old and so when that happened, I got when I got eliminated and that just a stressor, the show of trying to get it right and trying to be funny and trying to be perfect to try and be a little I. Think I had a fear in that show doing like. Fear that like I was going to. On the bachelor like they want you to look bad. Yeah that you're afraid they're going to cut it. So you look like a fucking idiot were on the show you wasn't I one of the judges strokes? She's thinking about it I'm like I judged his show with Tiffany haddish like Sydney Kostya was on it and stuffs it. Yeah and then that one guy he won I forget his. Anyone that you're of course, you know what it is. I remember it was Marlon Wayans or yeah. Marlin Wins Okay Yeah. So whatever that show stress me f out basically long story short and so afterward I I had a big What they call a flare up in the guts I got really sick and like couldn't eat and then they were like get yours apprentice zone and they gave me way too much and so for like a week, I was just like literally at vine meet ups that'd be doing pushups on the floor because I had so much fucking energy and I would. I would. Need to get as. Gene prednisone. Yeah. Well, it's like a steroid all of a sudden you're like. Bench pressing. No Man really funny. This is weird but yeah, I yeah. So I. For Like I. Only took it for a week home. What it below for like a year. Okay. So no one ever take that I mean sexual never take it. Yeah. How did how did you get over that and get through that? Are you still do you still have this? Is it something with stress stress? It's Stress Related Diet can heavily influence it but I found that stresses the most connected thing So you know. I don't know trying to write letters to heal out my stress breath we're trying to hill having guides in my life that that helped me remember the you know it's not everything's up to me in the universe doesn't revolve. You're just one human don't take life serious and that really helped when I moved to New York that really helped to and I stopped eating meat. Oh Wow that's a huge vegetarian. No I salmon. Okay. So you're pest guitar skis even a thing. You know it's interesting. There is a huge correlation and talk a lot about anxiety and stress on this podcast just because of I deal with I. Love that about you I love that you started opening up about it's made me feel more connected to Oh. Yeah like it's been such a huge part. Let me I'm even relating to you with the stomach issues because when I was a young child, my parents would fight all the time and I would get stomach aches and they'd take me to the doctor because I was constantly having diarrhea and. that. Kind of thing and they're like Oh shit I B S, and they gave me a medicine. I don't remember what it was. But then as soon as I moved out of that situation, they all went away. Yeah. It's crazy how you think sometimes it's something physical wrong with you but it is a lot of the time anxiety and stress Oh a manifest in the body and the body shows it basically a showing you what you're not dealing with and a lot of inflammation is tied to anger, and so I think I had a lot of. I Dunno anger upset at myself. I direct a lot of so go outward. Said Oh. She's so nice. Oh, she's never like mean it's all inward. Why do you? What do you do? You do that? Me As your worst therapist never why you do. Why what are you angry about with yourself if you don't mind me asking. Well now it's not I'm not I. I've shifted the narrative go lot. Okay. I think I I was angry at I think I let myself down a lot. I watched my dad be angry at himself. So I just modeled that and I was like, yeah, I just would watch him from the other. He'd be like, I'm so stupid and I'd be like me. So I just thought. I was dumb I didn't I never gave it my all right like I'm always like I'm always like I'm just going to work the least amount of possible and expect a mazing results I. Don't WanNa try hard I'm a fear fear failure but I feel like you try really hard really you moved to New York you do stand up like I literally gave up on standup because I had anxiety like because of like getting up before doing stand up gives fun. Afterwards. But then like the getting up there part I just couldn't do it anymore. Yeah. But I didn't do a ton of STANDUP I did stand up but I didn't like do stand up you know how people do it every day and they live and breathe informed ally saw your flyers you pull formed a lot of clubs big clubs little clubs for a lot of people. Thank you for reminding me. Yes, I guess that I don't have anxiety of but yeah or I don't know. What were you getting? What? What do you think? It had to do with maybe seeing apparent being hard on themselves? Yes Salt Lake. Yeah. My mom was really hard on them. So herself and my dad was really hard on himself. So I just thought that's the way people are they. They are hard to themselves because my mom never would overtly get angry at anybody in. So I thought okay I can't do that because that's mean I don't want to be harmful in the world I don't. WanNa like you know I just had unresolved grief they split up when I was eighteen I got diagnosed with that thing and it made me feel you know like you can't drink and I'm like but that's my favorite thing to do and so I didn't listen obviously but I think it helped a lot because then I went on a spiritual journey and like I did a lot of healing and that's when it shifted I think when as far as the show's considered when I was like Hurting I. Think I was more angry at myself for caring so much. I've got I get jealous I get jealous that other a at least in that I felt like they're all bonding with you know we al Galler Not Caring and I'm so sensitive and so I instead of being like I'm sensitive and I love that what which I do now but it took a long time to get there where I love the parts of me they're in pain. So I felt really I always felt kind of like. Not Part of. When in that scenario I? Know I get it. Yeah. I you know and I think in a way a lot of people feel that way I think a lot of people pretend to feel connected to everyone but I, feel the same way you do. I. Feel Hyper Hyper sensitive. I'm very responsive to like even people's facial expressions like if I'm walking on the street and someone gives me a certain look I'm like. You know I'm very sensitive to and and same as you. I've finally learned to be like, okay. I'm sensitive and I feel everything. And instead of being like mad at myself for that I'm like well, it's Kinda cool that I have all these feelings you know what I mean. Yeah. That's a great place to be instead of embracing it rather than resisting it because resisting it adds way more pain than necessary but I think we were raised as like don't cry don't do that stop rather than like yeah. What else? What else you got in their sensitivity what a Gift Yeah my dad used to say don't cry it'll just get your paper wet. And I'm like data I'm not even doing homework like what paper paper are you talking about that I lost? My GRANDPA said I'm sorry I made you sad. But at least your face is clean. Parents. It's like what the and a coping. Is what that wasn't. That wasn't too bad. He thought he said that later it's kind of fun but my dad would be like your high so sensitive and it's felt judgmental and then. Is Bad I'm bad I'm a burden. Okay. Sorry for existing and now I know I do hate that my husband actually very sensitive and my husband's very like I. Don't WanNa say he's not sensitive because he's definitely sensitive, but he's a lot less sensitive than I am. Like. If someone speaks to me in a certain tone of voice, I'm like I'm very sensitive to that. You know what I mean. I can sensitive to someone sends like a weird text like it's like tax. You know I read things certain ways sometimes. So it's interesting because I don't feel. Like you said the face thing and we have different sensitivities not just you and me but like everybody's addy yeah. Is Different tailored to what the anchor was right like if your first experience was getting yelled at. and. It was bad. Now yelling in general or tonality, whatever it is is going to have Erkki weird until it doesn't anymore and I'm reading a lot about like love language right? How important is that I mean what's yours mine is physical touch and intimacy and being very. I have like more of an anxious attachment style which isn't really great because I'm very like love to be hugged cuddled and reminded that I'm loved and like that kind of thing you know it's like what? I read today that they say you're attach your love language is whatever you didn't receive as a child. Whoa I read that today so. I, didn't get a lot of physical hugs and kisses and comforting like that because I was raised with mostly my dad who's just like, Hey, they're a good job. You know he was loving but to a degree that can be loving right? What is your? What is your loving? It changes so I initially thought it was touch. Just, because I love when anyone touches me I'm just like. Roll over like a dog. So I thought that and then now that you're saying that I'm like I think my parents gave me physical. I. Really didn't like when my dad would touch me sometimes because aggressive but not like in a bad way I think I was always very squirmy like he reminds me a lot that I was always trying to squirm out of his arms when I was a baby and I was like I gotta go do my own thing so I don't I don't think I liked it as a kid but I love it now from the right person right? Right. I also like in France. When not in friends with friends? Yeah. when there's like touch. which is really hard because we would be we would be touching each other a lot more of covert. Like, like even like this night. But now it's gifts. Yeah. Okay. So that's what I. Man by a of guests I was confused about gifts because I was like I thought that was not mine. I was like I don't give a shit about stuff. I was taught not to care about stuff. So I don't care about stuff but gifts from what a coach had told me was no it means like a note on your mirror or like something like that it doesn't need to be lies is surprises. 'cause I I really. Appreciate that I really appreciate that I have a weird thing feeling deserving of things. It's really nice to know that you're being thought of you know what I mean like when someone just prizes young goes like, Hey, got you like this or that like Tommy's love languages acts of service So he and if you guys are curious to learn more about love languages and are curious what your love languages, there's a book by Don, Miguel. Ruiz's the five love languages. Have you read that one? I haven't read it since I were ever right? Yeah. It's been a while. Okay. So there's a book call believe it's the five love languages, languages of love by Don, Miguel Ruiz, and there's like a heart on it. And it's purple, right? Yeah and it's a really great book. There's touch type acts of service gifts. Words of affirmation yet. And quality time is it? Okay Great. Okay. Manager. All Great. Yeah. which is which are all important and I think to me reading it last night somehow and I'm like, read it in ten years. I got to know what this is. Quoting it. Really you written on your hand, you rip off the cover of that book and it's actually love language book. So stupid. Okay. So let's talk about your buddy. Okay. What made you want to write a book in general? Oh I don't know my my mom and my sister people on my end I would go live on facebook a lot and people would say you need to write a book and so I guess that's true. But I didn't feel it. Okay. Up until my shit hit the fan and my marriage, and that was so excruciating and I really felt like now's the time. So I spoke about it on a live and someone. I said I. Think I think I'm ready to write a book and a publisher reached out to me and so I just said, yes, and then we the ball went rolling I started writing it in January in its and you wrote it all yourself. Yeah. Well, however to cover what do you mean did you have like a ghost ghostwriter? Did you have someone that worked with? You had someone that that the publisher help keep me accountable with dates and stuff otherwise I would have just been like, no. Yeah. But but yeah, I had a lot of help for short. Oh Yeah. I could not have sat down with like. Wow, that's amazing. It's I mean I can't wait to read it. I'm so very easy reading about it. It's called funny how it works out. It has men in on the cover and she's doing sorta like a yoga pose and you look beautiful and this is you know I'm always excited for people when they write a book because I've tried to. Rape. Books many many times and I just get so distracted and I'm like so adhd and like I can't just need about one maybe you need someone to hold you accountable but Yeah. No, this is i. saw you were I noticed like a spiritual change in you like just over the last couple of years I've noticed like you going to What's the Big Guy Tony Robbins Taw? Talking I. saw you like follow Russell brand and a lot of what he says and I I think they're both a great people and I and I listened to a lot of Tony. Robbins and good recently started following Russell and really love his stuff and I just saw that let changing you. Think it's like almost at a point in life when you go through so much you reach a higher version of yourself. And it's like. Just what happens as a person where you may be where you are right now listening to this at whatever age you may be? You're you're going to evolve I mean I just think it's inevitable for people. When you go through things, you know like you said, you went through your marriage and it was devastating Do you WanNa talk about like what happened I mean you I saw you got married at the guy in New York and it was sort of like this love story. Yeah it was I. Remember it. Yeah. I remember watching a a hallmark movie. Yeah. Though to which I. Wanted to do which, when when it was all happening and and people were asking, you know like, how did you meet I was saving the story because I was going to write a film about it because it was just so epic I had found him on instagram and I was living in New York for three months at the time and I saw on instagram and I was like I felt like this calling to I just was watching him and I was. Like who is this I feel like I know him. This is so weird. US randomly saw him on instagram. He was he was actually visiting L. A. and he was he was in a in my friends instagram story. Okay. So as watching historian who is that guy and so I went to that guy's page and then we went to send a message and saw that he had already written me eighteen months before and and and said you shine unlike any. Other human I've seen in a very long time and I'm happy to see channeling your light and I was like that's how I talk. This is whack and then we spent five six days face timing for like three hours a day, and then I was like well l.. So we facetime the first time we facetime he comes up on my face I'm and I hear all the Mana Mary does all in the book but I knew the minute I saw him. I would marry him. And from Dublin where's he from? He's that's not off he's he was born in Scotland Scotland up a new New Zealand, and then wasn't when I was in Australia working in the mine. Oh, so he's kind of. All over and so he was just visiting from Australia in L. A.. And then you guys just hit it off. Yeah. We we felt a really strong deep connection that was very other worldly. If there are is especially as past lives, we definitely had many together and I. Think there is I think there is I I mean I can say I know there is unlike of based on my experience I can get into a different time but he you know he had a key to our coffee with my mom before he came to fly to. New York to meet me. Says he met your mom before you Wow to our coffee and she was like he's delightful. So endearing your I have no problem with him coming to stay with you and then he we met in Madison Square Park put the first time and literally started crying in each other's arms. It's and it's like a movie like literally that whole week was just like I found the man that I've been looking for for twenty nine years and. Now I'm ready. So when he proposed four and a half months later it was like It was just like. Think about no. Yeah. There was no like there's no no, it's kind of it was like, yes. Of course. Absolutely. So I went to meet his family and we fell madly in love. And on my God your dog is so Cute Inc.. Wicky man. What happened because I just remember everything being? No I literally like you know how sometimes you get invested in other people's lives a little too much. Yeah. Like I was watching you guys and even friends of mine who don't know you like one of my one of the artists own podcast push push she would be like house in her got like. People would. Watched it. You know like I did especially in some people I knew and they'd be like Oh my God it's like a fairy tale and you know watching it. I was like, okay and then when all of a sudden I started, not see him anymore on your stuff I was like Oh maybe she's just being more private because sometimes people do that too. And then I kind of noticed that he wasn't at all there and so like what happened like how does it go from that? Yeah So. We had our show the wedding of my dreams. No, it was beautiful Oh. Thank you. Yeah. It was. It was really. Really Beautiful Special Day. And I had we had. We actually had the wedding like five days after. We got a house. Into Lake, and so we had the reception of the new house, which is like this new beginning and a month after the wedding, my best friend Travis and his girlfriend called me and I just got in the wedding photos that day they're like, Hey, can we take you at a coffee which never happens like it was just a weird thing but I was like maybe they're surprising me and they sat me down and Grabbed my arm and said Travis looked at me and he said I'm about to tell you something and I want you to know that I'm here for you. No matter what that I I always have your back. but The the guy you married isn't who you think he is and he's been this woman message saying you're you're man going to need our friend right now because her husband's been sending me videos and photos and. Saying really cruel things about me, his wife. Were you, speechless. Yeah I I my whole world flipped upside down shake I had a feeling rush over my body like I've never had like I? Like because I thought they were GonNa tell me that he died or that my dad died like that was the Russia feeling that I got the based on what they were saying. And yeah, I was I couldn't. I was I literally was like. What. Wait what? What what like not believing but then the screen shots to prove it and I was just like Oh my God oh my God. Oh my God and that lasted for quite a while. You are such a strong woman like the fact that you have this huge social following and your didn't go psycho and blast him. Yeah, I would've lost. Well, that's whatever. Yeah and I would. Not to make this about me, this is no please I want to hear. That I was in a relationship a long time with a director I don't know if you remember him a beard. And he cheated on me with prostitutes. All the time, and then they would message me. He would talk shit about me and say that we weren't even dating Oh and then I would show him that and then he would go oh, they're lying they're trying to ruin our relationship and then he would message them and go. She's crazy. Don't listen to her. So I get it but I went psycho and like fucking I've talked about it, you know what I mean. You are so good. Well, God you have a great soul because most women with your following. Would be likes fuck this and just be like. And just go off. Yeah and I went in I went in and out of thinking about doing that you're so classy and I'll tell you what it's not a good thing to do. It's not because in the long run. Talking about publicly like telling all the details and posting screen shots and stuff which my psycho asked, what wanted to do initially. In the long run, it's kind of like you're just like a like, no one else needed to be involved. You know that much like it's cold it'd be like, okay this happened and this was done to me in that's that but like You know when you get like physical and show like physical evidence and that kind of thing I. Don't know it's really anyone's business you know but I fucking giving it's not. But what what thank you that's. Big. If. Because when someone does something like that Teo, it messes you up bowl because John and that's what I write about in the book. was you know when that had happened I like confronted him he admitted all or whatever, and basically big that. Said I have a problem. I, I'll do anything to you know. Talk Eight. Oh, I spit on him. I spit on him. Good. Anyway. fucking should. Generally. WanNa. Be Gay all the time like sometimes there's like. So. So but I didn't spit on him that time I spit on when I had decided to stay and well, I I said you know leave after four, the first forty, eight hours I saved him and showered him in like held the space for him because he was crying because I think he'd never gotten caught with anything and so. Automatically. When I saw this, I was like he's very he's in very a lot of pain. Yeah, and so let me hold the space for him but then after that I take care of myself. So I was like, okay you leave. Let me just process everything spent like a month dropped eight pounds, which is a lot for me. I. Could see you are in pain but I didn't know what happened. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Very private. I mean literally was like I literally just thought that you were just being private about your relationship and that's why I never really said anything. Yeah and I want it. Yeah. It was really hard not to Oh, you are strong girl you are stir wrong. With a capital fucking s because any other bitch in that situation will be okay. Mother fucker you WANNA play games. Okay. I know but I married him. You. Yeah. I know. I know and I was really hard because I've married him I loved him. So it was like the part of me that goes hold on I just did eight years of spiritual work to go. Let me not take it personally 'cause he said some you know he said I. Know that's big auburn lot spiritual pink out afflict at right off my daughter. Out The window. Yeah. That's amazing. Very. Had spend ten years ago. Two completely different five years ago maybe I don't know. But I got really lucky in that. My first thought was he's in pain not. Oh, he thinks I'm boring like he wrote the girl mannion's nothing. She's useless. She's boring. She's not funny. How that would have been debt no quick. Quick you would have been dead if you were. You married me this'LL BE A. Also I told him that I said you you fucked over the perfect person you set avail really did I know because I get cold? No the amount of talks I've had with friends that were like they all said, the same thing have been on CNN On the late night art. Bartlestein shops off husbands. Dick. Yeah serves it to him makes eat like that's so fucked. Not Funny. Not Funny. Not Funny at all. If you don't like it but. Not Funny Oh right. Right. Who that that actually didn't affect me I was like, well, he's stupid. He doesn't have a good sense of humor but what hurt me was the useless? What is that? It wasn't even the the naked photos or whatever have him in the shower the confusing part was that he was around me twenty, four seven and he treated. Me like a queen like nobody in my life was like you gotTa Watch out for this everyone was like we love him and and you you met your match like this is scary. It was so scary. How does someone have the fact that he made? He said mean things that bother me way more than the sexual stuff because I was like wait. Why are you telling her? If you feel this way talk to me about it and that was something we had we actually went to therapy for three months after because I didn't I didn't go even though everybody in my life was like, Ron. House I hold on I married let me just make sure I wanted to do my due diligence to like give it all of me in case he did WanNa change maybe this. Could be the spiritual awakening how it could turn into like he could start a program to help men that do this and how to recover for I. Don't know I always look like that kind of thing you are. So you're enlightened you are like some people just reached this point. This is like the healthy point I'm almost there but you know what? I'm talking about a year later but I wrote about the God guys. I mean because I know a lot of women go through this. I mean they do. Well, I didn't know that and I had no come to be honest I didn't have any sort of connection to being messed around with in that way and so what it's done and I I, write it you'll read the book if you do and you'll go she went easy on him because the party telling you right now you went easy on him. Okay. I'm prison so. Not yet. But I, I wrote the point that I was making in the book was not to say Oh. My God. Look what an asshole he has the point was okay. How can I not take it personally how could I not make it about me and how can I keep my heart open regardless of this man's pain and not generalize men because it would be sucky for me like you didn't close your heart off. No I didn't I. Knew You kept your heart open and look what it did for you brought true love in your life. Like I don't want to close my heart down at this. Young Age because of another man's pain no and I. I know that there are a lot of guys like this I I didn't know that either I was. Also in a lot that aren't. Yeah. There's a lot of great men. Great man. and. I. Guess. That's why I went for an older guy too because he's not very technically savvy. With the phone. He's all how do I send a DM on Mike? Nowhere, honey I just disabled it. For some reason, it's not working. That's a really great idea to if you ever. Because it. Is, part of the problem part of it. I mean in our therapists Yuna therapy therapies various. Therapist Julia is a sex therapist she works with a Lotta. Love the he's amazing. She's a sex that licensed marriage and family therapist but specializes in people who are like your ex husband no. But who are like your ex of sickos better I mean and I'm telling you we have conversations about it. My we don't have it because Tommy's thank God not like that. But he she tells me these horror stories about you know like don't worry like you know your problem, any little issues that you might be dealing with like there's some big stuff that goes on where they're these men who have literal addictions because they didn't receive enough love as children that they need so much love and so much admiration. Never ending thing never I'll tell you I'll tell you what it could be with the most beautiful stunning woman who gives them the world and and who also says by the way I'm not a hard set like if he came to me like I lead by example by going. Okay. So sometimes, I'm attracted to this like we were so open about our feelings because I know because I've learned through experience if I share if I share it, it doesn't have power over me. Yeah. So even if I'm scared to tell my partner because I'm afraid that he's GonNa get jealous or whatever at least now he's in. The bow with me and we're like in it together like best friends and so I held the space and I said you ever feeling like you find someone attractive or like nervous I got you just tell it to me and will hold the space together and he still didn't do it like if he would've come to abandon those always like Babes texting me and I just WanNa message all them back. What do I do I be like I don't know let's have sex about it like would have been like let's just figure it out figure it out I said the same thing it was the hiding of it. I even slept with. Porn stars with my eggs. Wow. Yeah. I mean like I was open to it like girl like. Okay, we're actually let's take a quick break and we will be right back where we're talking about where I fuck porn stars with my. Go. unsubscribe ashes on subscribes very back. Everyone likes eating well. especially me I try to eat was well as possible even end up eating cheeseburgers three times a week but thanks to Green Chef I. 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So much that I was in the relationship, which was very toxic that he was like you know we should have three sons with these girls that I think. Well, I knew that he was hit fucked around. So like okay. Well, if you WANNA, fuck around like, can you fuck around with me? It s right because I I was such a low self esteem that I was like can I just be a part of it? Can I watch like just make sure everything's cool and be a part of it and he was like okay. So then we did that and then it still wasn't enough like he was still going. do it without me so I was like fuck that. So you just have to figure out what the balance is. You know yeah. 'cause there's ways to work through it, but then there are guys that. These guys unfortunately and there's many of them. There might be even some watching this where you know no woman no love. No amount of hotness is ever going to be fulfilling enough constantly looking for that excitement that newness you know what I mean and Tommy has a lot of friends like this which I don't like who are married and really really wealthy dudes who they just fucking cheat on their wives. Like a happy ending and it makes me uncomfortable am Korans. Power Tony Robbins says the five people you spend the most time around with as we become. kind of like we were talking about earlier wherever we are we start to become. An. So you know I remember asking my husband like, can you just be around some men in relationships that are happy and don't cheat and then ask what they do because maybe you don't have a strategy for it I don't know. But I think I didn't see the changes that I was looking for and I I saw the behavior A dear friend of ours I had seen her over lunch on Christmas Eve, and at this point I was like I I'm hanging by a thread here I have one percent left he's keeps messing up. Messing up. And kept just when I spit on him. I checked something told me to check his phone and. And I checked it and I didn't see something I liked and I got enraged that at more probably at myself that. I around yeah. With like you know but really at him, I was just so like literally. By forming in my mouth. Like what the fuck is your problem like really. You know why can't you just be like? But it's it's like it's like telling a meth addict why can't you just stop doing meth? Yeah. It's like the we I I don't get it I get it. But what I can do is no that I don't WanNA participate in a in a in a relationship that I don't actually trust the person I don't WanNa live that way. That was why I walked away was I don't Wanna Live worried about his phone what he's doing in the shower. I like when the trust is broken, it's broken and this isn't after ten years of having kids. This is like we just got married them like if it's happening now you know going to get better but I learned discernment I learned at The Times that I didn't trust my gut you know like this whole journey has been about. Coming home to like my body and like trusting energy energy doesn't lie. The body doesn't lie people I try to your intuition when your body's closing up. A year into it we weren't really as you know, the honeymoon phase of the sexual stuff kind of like faded a little bit and I re- I started. Door. My House has like alarms if people open the door so we know not to if we're getting murdered at night. That's lucky. Yeah. I want that. That's Someone's trying to kill me on Pano. Sorry. It's great for podcasts anyway. I don't remember. So you're saying the sexual stuff started to fade after like. A year. Period. was over aren't as act I wasn't as normal. Yeah. It's a normal thing for sure. But my what was happening for me on my end of it was that my body felt really. closed off to him and I was like, what is my problem? Maybe it's probably me I started doing all this Feminine Energy Work Start Going to workshops because you know in for those of you don't know us doing instagram and this being in your business energy is very in in your masculine and you have to be the master of time and space and be able to. Organize and be able to perform even making people. Laugh is kind of more of a you know masculine and laughing is like how you know. So I wanted in my relationships I, want to be in flow I WANNA be taken care of I wanna be held. So I was like well, yeah and you know so I I started learning housing maybe I'm just out mass killing mass. Out Masculine. Indian him. Yeah. I get it which is crazy because he's he comes across very mass guys like very masculine but I think. Hit when he moved over Think I must have been out masculine I don't I don't even know but whatever my body picked up on that, he's a frigging liar 'cause he was. So once I relate once I came out with the book guess started. Messaging me us. Sheshona women that he was doing this with way before we get married. So the whole time if my husband ever does this y'all bitches better message me I don't think he will though but you know it's well, it got be on the girls team. Member that Lake you may think that they're choosing you or something, but they're going to do the same. and. The special on like know what we've I've made I made that mistake when I found hymning found him and he was love bombing me all these terms of had to like look up since then and he was like you're everything I love you never felt this way I I actually do believe I'm very lovable. So I was like, wow, he sees me great. I wasn't like I wasn't nope you're like finally found my soulmate. Thing. Yeah. Gifts like surprises like so much like the guy that I was dating was like had address made for me in the country that he was shooting in all custom stuff like sent mixed messages me all the time. talked me all the time like told me. I was most special thing. He's ever met Mobile Blah. Then gas lighting if they're saying yeah, and if they're saying that like two years in great but the first week or month no that that's that's a red flag how we do anything is how do everything? So if he's telling you this and you don't know him and you don't haven't created that report of trust, he's this to other women. So hopefully, this helps i. Hope it does too because honestly that relationship and what that did to me and I know what it did to you because I've been through it, it destroys you like you physically get destroyed down to your core soul of a person and it makes you question your own ability to pick out. You know I started being like, okay. There's something wrong with me because I attracted that and. What did I do wrong what did I miss by accepting that kind of behavior into my life and where was I not I didn't have any discernment I was almost on the you know my dad apart from him kind of being angering he was he loved me so much and so I just had this belief all men love me in there they have their out to help me. Until his true arse assess right who in it's typically narcissistic sociopaths have this problem that they don't know how to love. They really don't at their core they it's not like real for them. They don't really generally know how to love anyone. They don't really know how to be genuine. They don't feel bad as much as they can pretend that they do. They don't really feel bad and they will never change and that's the saddest thing to realize about it. When you as a person, put your all into someone and love them so much and give them every part of you, and then only to realize that you're really not even getting anything. And nothing real. It's the most devastating. My Dad was over the other day and he actually revealed to me that when he my ex. Proposed marriage. Oh ask for my hand in marriage. My Dad said okay. Well, we already know what she can give you what what are you going to give her and he goes you know what I'd really rather talk about this person and dodd kind of dodged the question Kate but bright in the veins of rather talk to you like it seems nice but he never he's a you know what I can give her trust issue. I could break your heart and he never give citizenship. Shall We? Should make new citizen yet like some followers. and. I know you are more successful than him. On every level on every level did did you sign anything that he'd make sure he didn't get take your Shit next my dad made me good. Oh Girl thank God I am so glad for you. I worked really hard for everything I've built so hard people 'cause after six months in. California if you're married for six months, half of whatever you've made is there's that's unless you get a a personal prenup which I got a pre-nup good and I hate to say. It because everything was happening so fast it was like we were both okay with it wasn't like would you want to it was just like we're doing this so quickly yeah that let's just do this and thank, God. My Dad can are pressing it good because when stuff at the fan I was just like. Okay. Well, at least you know this hurts my heart and this is going to be excruciating and I still will like Saab on my floor 'cause I. Miss Him. It's really it's really messed up because I don't have reference sock, but he saw they were so shit. But a part of you will always care and love and love that person just because of what they the way they treated you in the beginning is more of what it is real answer like treated me like that. The whole time it was just behind didn't have reference of like my experience with him where it was hard. We never fought we didn't really have. A I. Don't know like I don't have memories of actually being with him where it was bad. It was like all the stuff behind the scenes of where I it just. That's what messed me up. The most is like sometimes I'll do little things that will remind me of him in a Mike and I just start crying I'm like this sucks, and so then I just send him love because I don't want to carry that anger. But I'll say cal could be someone be to face that's awesome traumatizing. And how can I not know it that that's what scared me was like, how did I not pick up on this but you can't blame yourself because I don't think most people. And I don't WanNa say normal because it's not that we're all we're normal but I think most people that don't have a a sociopathic narcissistic mindset know how to deal with those types of people or so unfamiliar to us you know what I mean assured deal with that. That's such a that's like you meeting a random animal. Okay and like it's really cute and it may be really sweet and then you touch it and actually you know but it has poison in its quills like you weren't supposed. To know that it's just a random thing that you met and you thought, Oh, it's GonNa be loving and look how nice it is to me Oh whoops like I didn't realize that this is part of who that what that thing is. Yeah and that's what happens in these relationships is like we we go into it just like it would be with any normal person and you think that they have the intentions the same heart as you same intentions as you, but then you realize like Oh Shit Like that was my first experience. I can tell this is your first experience with someone who so you sociopathic narcissistic yeah. Do you still talk now or no? No that he changed his number. Yeah but it's good deleted since two Graham and stuff it's good I think it's good. Know it is good. It's not I. Think it's good. It's good because the only way to. You don't ever want that really don't like I can tell you right now I did it for three years. Yeah royd yeah we'll destroy. Yeah I'M NOT GONNA keep no like we. Have had a very. Healthy perspective about it. The only time we'll talk about logistical stuff, but I think once. I don't know I think once it's all over it's like I don't have a reason to stay connected. I really fell in love with his family I fell in love with him I. Guess. I just. You know I I've made piece that we're not going to be in each other's lives and be friends because you know once the book came out, he wanted nothing to do with me even though I let him know I gave him fore warning. I write about my experience the. Same like I haven't spoken but there's no reason to exactly. Yeah. It doesn't matter because they're they're ego. It's their ego that. Some be angry, but it's you know it's not your fault and Allier grieving. We're GONNA grieve 'cause it's a loss you. It's a huge law. You know what? I didn't realize it's a huge loss of the possibility of what I thought our life was going to be together. So it's a loss of that dream of we were GONNA have kids and we're gonNA live in this house and we're going a little and so it's not even just him it's like the loss of this. Of a future which now it's just more open for possibilities I know that the universe was doing for me what I couldn't do for myself and that it all happened you know perfectly. So that I could learn these lessons right this book and hopefully help some people that maybe haven't let go. You know I've had messages from women that are like I'm still angry at what this guy did to me ten years ago and you saying that. Like you know I tried praying for for for him for two weeks and actually, I don't feel angry anymore and I'm like the. I mean that's why I did. That's what this in about me this just happened for a reason maybe maybe I was a person he had to screw over in order for him to learn some baby I. Don't know if learned I don't know I don't think they ever. I don't WanNa have an expectation that they change. Even though people were like people don't change I'm like well if they want to. Kind of people if they do it's temporary. You know it's trust me. After someone who's given someone like a thousand chances like it It's hard. Yeah. and I admire you and I want you to know that you know have you ever seen that picture and not to be like all godly on anyone. But of the little guy getting pelted with a pebble and he's and guy, and he goes why me God and then God is standing behind him. There's a giant boulder behind God and that's what God's holding back. Oh. I have another image of God where God kneeling on his near whatever and this young girl. He's holding the teddy bear and and she's like, no, don't I don't want to let go of this might precious teddy bear. But behind his back, he's holding a really big teddy bear for her so beautiful. So. In moments like that that's the only thing that got me through was remembering that whatever is meant for you in this life will be for you what it's if it's truly meant. For Your Life it will be in your life. If it is not. Let it have to let it go as painful as it is as hurtful as it is as much as you thought all these things you know it's. What is really truly meant for you and something better will come and it. It already has in many ways a lot lighter a lot more joyful now, I don't feel this weight of feeling like I have to you know sorry but being a marriage for me like it just was it wasn't that it was it was it was feeling like a lot of work but that's because of who I was in the marriage with the dozen that doesn't make it any easier but I. Think. It's helped me connect and relate to a lot more people having gone through the experience myself because remember when people talk about getting cheated on it really went over my head I had no reference to it. I didn't either before that relationship I never checked a phone though many I never worried about a guy. I, never worried about a guy never never all my boyfriend's before that boyfriend I dumped I dumped them. Yeah. Same. The one that was like every word about it like. I could be like, yeah whatever like I could care less and then all of a sudden when you start like. It's the love bombing and then it's like the then the starts happening the to face masks and you're like what? That fucks with your head, and then that's when you start getting. You know developing trust issues that kind of thing like it takes a while to unlearn all I mean when I moved in with Tommy and I've said this before many times I was so fucked up from that previous relationship that I was like. I got to your phone like, can I like lake can I? He'd be like, yeah he would just unlock all his ipads and iphones and I explained to him that I like this is what happened to me and not to mention he's Tommy Liza fucking rock star, and then all my girlfriends were like, Oh, you got fucked over on that one wait until this you know what I mean because it's like, Oh, God i. Like certain things even though Tommy's like the most loyal truthfully is the most boil like. He's not shady. Yeah. So you know he in the the right in the beginning and the right guy will do that for you. Will Go. Of course, check it has nothing to hide if there's nothing to hide, there's nothing to hide. It won't be a big deal wall and you'll feel it too when they yeah you if you're in a relationship with someone that is making it a big deal than they're hiding something because it really shouldn't I don't have a lock on my phone I have no password on my phone. He has no password on any phones ipad computer nothing it's beautiful. Anytime, he wants to use my shit. There it is. Anytime I wanNA use his shit. There it is. So I love that it's important it is I. Think the trust and it's and people say, Oh, you should trust someone like you shouldn't need that. Yeah. But you should trust someone and not have a password on your phone and you should also build trust to like you're. Not supposed to just trust someone like I did right off the bat so that you're susceptible for like buying their boat like take some time like that's something that I didn't do and I write that in the book is if it's urgent, it's not spiritual and I had such an urgency with him because I met the person and I'm almost like becoming aware of my new empathic. Ways of feeling people's energy especially being in lockdown for so long in California where I was very, I loved it I loved it so much because I wasn't sharing. So much of my energy with all these people who I love they're all great but I, I'm realizing what's mine and what's another person's and that's huge to know that like I don't know if that's mine like pay attention to how you feel around certain people it is. Is it good? Is a lie you up be around them if it doesn't feel good, that's indication to be like Not. Do that therapist tells me all the time you can care, but it's not yours to carry. I love that isn't that great. Yeah. Because I'm like you two are all like on people's emotions and feelings and like I. Feel for people all the time and I'm like, Oh like I get even when I watch a a show like a show that's like dark or whatever I get like like I I feel. So I don't watch dark shows because. That's too much for me. It just fucks you up emotionally I mean he's just have to be sensitive to your energy. You know if you're a sensitive person that kind of stuff affects you you have to be aware of it. I stopped watching a lot of like really tragic horror horror soft because I notice like I would get panic attacks and start getting. Physical there. So connected, they're connected for sure what you watch is going into your unconscious mind and then it'll come in your dreams and it'll haunt you. But if you stop watching it and you start taking things that make you feel good like I literally only follow quotes positive quotes on instagram that a make me feel like because that can be really. Scary road for me like instagram has not been like the easiest APP for me to be on tick talks a lot easier for me I. Love. Yeah it's so fun so easy on there. So lighthearted I mean even if it's something dark, they're talking about fun music to it. Yeah. seriously. They're like anti combat depression, but it's like deep that eight that the. Exactly, Tiktok it's great. It's Mine I. Love Instagram. I've learned to monitor my time on instagram so like I'll give myself maybe like you know twenty minutes a day to like scroll my feed and then I'm like, okay, that's good. Oh, visit my like I have a couple really good anxiety places that I follow one. Healer like DLC anxiety. These are all people that have like great healing tip so I follow them to. Yeah that's helpful. That's awesome I. think that's a great idea I tell that to some of my. I coach I life coach. Some is love that yeah that's what I feel book for Life Coaching They Cam I'm GonNa be doing it because I don't have time to be doing one on I. Do have one like six clients that are one on one but I'm going to be coming out with some sort of program to where it can like I. Love Work. With she like ten people at a time see that's great. Yeah. I love that. That's what we need. Yeah. Honestly like more healing and I like I said, I, saw you like go through this change like I saw it so well and I became a lot more open about it. I didn't speak about it online. I wasn't like now like I was very private yet. Yeah it was just strictly humor I was afraid that. Agents and managers wouldn't want to represent me if I talked about my mental health struggles like I thought that they would be like, oh, she's crazy and then when I work with other actresses or other actresses now reach out all the time and they're like, oh thank. God you're talking about it like I stress out all the time and so many big people have like the same or worse you know. So it's kind of like okay it makes you feel more comforted for sure. Just makes us feel connected. I think the more I think I know you do this and like I said, it's made me feel connected to you when I share what's really going on in my heart it only makes it only opens the space for people to finally like someone I can actually relate to rather than you know some fake shit. Yeah. Don't worry about people judging you either guys to like speak your truth. Honestly you can't live a real life and expect to have real relationships with people unless you are speaking your truce. If you're constantly just being. Fake and only showing the highlights of your life and acting like everything's great all the time like no one's going to relate to that. They're gonNA meet you. That's not how it is for anyone. No one. Is Perfect Twenty, four seven. No, and it just adds shame to be like well of my life isn't as perfect as there's maybe yes. Maybe I'm not good enough and then it's the spiral and it's it's also a lie. Yeah, nobody's life is perfect. Everybody's going through it and no relationship is perfect and no marriage is perfect and you know we all have our issues. Okay. Everyone and we will have good days and we will have bad days but you have to figure out what is worth it for you and what the you know what you want in your life and how To be positive and only allow light things into your life as much as you can i. know there's a lot of darkness out in the world, but try to only let in the light and that's a really hard thing and I work on that too because my instant reaction when you told her story was be like fuck back you know what I mean. And I need to work on that. You know you don't have to deal with it. Yeah. Well now, but you know. It's a big part of me that I'm like working on I, try not to be reactive I'm trying to work on being more not giving a shit what people think that's important. Yeah. I even though I kinda I I don't think people are watching going. She really cares what people think maybe they are I don't know but I know deep in. Like the more I talk about openly about what I went through the more I feel relief and more freedom to just be where I'm at. But I, also still there's this little missing piece where I'm still holding onto wanting to look good and I don't mean physically I mean like your whole persona yeah I don't want that to be done ever yeah yeah. I mean. I let that go. Yeah it was hard. Let that go I say kind of do whatever I want, and I'm just like anyone has an opinion I'm like cool has ever has it ever been you in the but oh, for sure like there's plenty of places that won't work with me or like you know people that write to me that are like. I don't know people say fucked up shit all the time to me. You know like some people are like Oh you you. You have no reason to be depressed or having anxiety over perfect life like people who just don't get it. You know they think that anxiety depression saw by money. Instead of like. This way my whole life in that it's an actual chemical imbalance and that I've had my brain zapped and that I've gone through multiple times of treatment to try to fix what's going on. It's not like I choose to have a panic attack psych I go to bed at night and go hey, like let's have a panic attack. It's like I'm like let's go to bed and then out of nowhere, I'll just start shaking profusely and freak out. Everyone's trying to figure out their sell themselves you know and. To judge someone by what you see on social media. Yeah. That's your choice as a person you can judge them and. Think whatever you want. But I think a lot of the times when people say things to me. Like I told you before instead of having the first reaction of being like. Oh my God fuck you too. I'm like What are they going through? You know what I mean. That's a great thought like in my head now because I'm like, what would it take for me? What head space would have to be into right something like that to someone wouldn't be a good heads. We would know the people that leave mean comments I'm going they must be in so much pain enough to actually write it and send it like when I have A. Photo or video that I don't love the doesn't occur to me to write it nothing. I just go of scroll past let alone type it out and then send it. I must be out of my mind really like never gone on someone's page and been like. Never fly canisters say that even before vine and all that Shit like I've never gone on someone's page and been like gross or like. Or like whatever the fact that we'd even that we would even stop it and go I can't believe that's mean is like almost talking to someone who doesn't speak language and being like like spending time not or someone that's on cracking being like let's let me stop here and actually try to converse there were not in the same having the same conversation. So I've learned to just let it go and just kind of be like okay. You want you know like it's what people think about you I realize there's just like it doesn't matter and hate to this is a really bleak and I say this on the podcast all the time but I'm like. We're all GONNA be dead one day in a hundred years. No one's going to remember really anyone I mean except for the really really famous people on who cares anyway. And doesn't matter you know what I mean not of the matter center like it's like just try to create a positive atmosphere for UC that you have a positive life and surround yourself with positive things. And you'll have a beautiful life. You know like the only let beautiful things into your life. You will have a beautiful life and if you do things that make you feel really good you will feel good. Yes. Yes. In Union and that's the hardest thing I I have a girlfriend who's really negative and She's always like I hate this about myself. He this I hate this I hate this I hate this eight this I'm like I'm like you got to change the narrative you have to even if there's nothing that you like about yourself, you have to find something find one thing and start. Start repeating that every day so because I don't who it was, but there's something called a negatively detox. Yeah. Where you you basically try to detox. You're negative thoughts because that's really the suffering point and if you catch yourself having one and you don't change it, you have to start over but it's really becoming aware of our thoughts and our they for us to the make us open up or do they close down to make us feel small because really we're just listening to our thoughts and making pictures in our head from an NLP standpoint and are we making good positive pictures? Are we saying Nice things and if not, you know a lot of what I used to do is very much beleaguered believed everything I thought. As if it was true and we know these are just thoughts let me change the voice, turn it to Mickey. Mouse saying you're not enough I just laugh at it being like that's not funny. That's not. It's. It's just ridiculous thoughts that we have about ourselves. We're usually not. Kind. We don't talk to ourselves away. We talked to like a precious. Or. Whatever that's funny that you say that 'cause like I saw some somewhere that said like think of the way you talk to yourself for the way that you think about yourself now does things think about saying those things to a puppy? Would you say that to a puppy in like like? Like we'll think of yourself. You are the puppy you are that precious creature like you need to speak to yourself in a positive way and I do this all the time like I have words that I will stop myself in the car when I'm driving sometimes you know you have. You know those intrusive thoughts and the negative thoughts and WanNa have like a negative thought I try to counteract it with three good ones like, okay. Something something bad about myself right now let me think about three things that I like and actually take the time and sit in my brain while I'm driving think okay I like this I like this that I care for other. People you know I liked it. I liked to have fun and be nice and like you know I try to think of things. I do that are positive. You know you have to stop yourself because you can retrain your brain. Yeah. You really can. You really focus on you and take time to really try to get positive thoughts only into your mind and you will have negative. Thoughts that's going to happen. That's just normal. But if you try every time that you have a negative thought to replace it with three positive one, it's a good start. Yeah. That's beautiful. That's that's a great reframe from my therapist. Yeah. It's a great tool for sure. A lot of work to be done and I mean guys check out mannion's book if you WanNa to hear. More about all this and managers mean there's a lot. This is what like two hundred and some pages. It's really short the last thirty pages there's lessons on like you can have it on your coffee table and look at a lesson and be like incorporate this today or whatever I already love this lesson twenty-seven do what makes you nervous? I talked about this the other day because The anxiety has gotten so bad with me where it's turning into almost AGORAPHOBIA and I'm starting to get scared to leave the house I start shaking when I leave the house and I was at a doctor's appointment in Beverly Hills and I didn't want to go. 'cause I was like I have to go by myself if I have a panic attack on the freeway and have to pull over and then with a bunch of strangers, and then I'm like, what if I die or have to call an ambulance him with all these strangers and everyone's going to judge me and Bubba Watson, I start spiraling but I went. And I had my doctor's appointment I drove. Beverly Hills in the doctor's appointment I came back and I did it even though I was scared right like will smith just put out he's like if you're scared just do it scared you're like I can yeah I don't have to follow the feeling of nervousness because it usually things that make us the only way to get there is through so through it literally on. My snapchat story I will show you. I said the only way out is through. Yeah, and then you come out the other side of go. Well, I did was not yeah and sometimes you won't do it sometimes you will have that panic attack in it'll fuck concerned you spiraling. But that doesn't mean you don't give up because that doesn't mean it's going to happen the next time you do it. You know like. I always liked to picture what I am doing something that I'm scared of like the show or. Not this show. Me Maybe. I always picture the moments after. Yeah like I, always picture what it'll. It'll feel like auditioning used to get like really nervous at an audition last audition I saw you at you're like in a place where you're like, I don't. I'm scared. Tommy doesn't like me and next day you've got engaged. Well, she was wrong. Well that was like years ago. Brain. Yeah Just in a moment, but it was it was a fun ironic that the next day you posted your engagement ring which was beautiful by the way, and it just shows how our thoughts get in the way. But I like to picture of the moments after the audition and how feel free after. So rather than picturing Kogo wrong right which is just a habit just have a thinking well isn't that right still in really scared negative mindset where I felt like unlikable unlovable. Scared like person isn't like. Me Bill. Mindset yeah, I can still I still get to that place to I always want especially with the industry I want their approval. I want to get it right and it's like that's not how they found us in the first place. They're not looking for us to do that and to fill fit a box they're looking they're how they brought you in because of your essence. Yeah. That's literally anybody's hiring is your essence not for you get the lightens right into it's like. Yeah. I know a lot of people that go in and read off the page and they book it. because. It's just what they the way they do it or the way they look. is reading literally being like you have a cold read. It's is fourteen pages. It's an hour and I'm like I'm not going 'cause I want to get it right but then they're like just going read off the pages like fine and then booked it. And I was like what I thought I had to have it memorized if I messed up a word, they're going to laugh at me and that I'm never going to get called in again and funny thing is a lot of people don't this but actors now they a lot of them were an IFP and get their lines read to them. So it's not even like I'm so down for that so Nice memorizing line. A certain point and then they're like, okay I'll. Take the. You're. Relying hard just go ahead and. We've took away lines. I still want it. Can. Just wear. Sticking out of my ear debt. You guys. This has been an amazing podcast men and I've loved having you here talked to you know I was. Off I want to keep talking. Okay make sure to get mannion's book funny how it works out and can they get this digitally to yeah it's on kindle. It'll be on audio book in like a month. Funny. How it works out with men and Matthews I mean I would wanna read it after this conversation that we had today I'm definitely GonNa read it you guys if you need support in anyhow. Situations like this when someone is telling their story, it's it really helps to hear someone else going through something that you relate to. So definitely check it out and do you have any last words of advice for everyone do you to say? It's okay to like. Is Not a bad thing. So get quiet with yourself and really listen to what you have to say what your body has to say i. don't know what else to say yes. Then trust yourself. and become become a really good mother to yourself. Be The mother that you didn't have to yourself because you're going to be with you for the rest of time. No one knows you like you know you you've been with you this long you're going to be with you for the rest of this life. So make best friends with yourself I. Love that will end on that note, make sure to check out and follow in a man and Matthews on Instagram is it just me just men or men and I? Wish I wish I was that goals, men and Matthews? Matthews on Instagram TIKTOK and Facebook, and this won T. S contextual. I. Ben. Masters. Check you out next. Income episode. Also.

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Macklin & Jones discuss AJ v Fury deal & legendary left hooks

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57:51 min | 4 months ago

Macklin & Jones discuss AJ v Fury deal & legendary left hooks

"Hi This is David Diamante, and you're listening to the TOE podcast podcast. Hello and welcome to this week. Tradition of ringside tides tug boxing cost exclusive discuss sports. I'm Andy Scott. Nice to drag Matthew. macklin and Jerry Jones of the cues for prime arc to pair on this which. Matt's yet. For Social Distance Barbecue. I'll have to sale no more to stay. We all still recording via conference website pieces of West, so he's on disclaimer about the sound quality. And hopefully not too long now at the end of the tunnel Let's get straight into it. Lots of news loads news this week. Eddie Hon pretty much a full for all of that. Anthony your shirt and Tyson fury have agreed tons I'm doing that thing from friends with the inverted commas agreed terms on a to do so he's Eddie. hearn said last week. The plan moving forward the big five. Everybody's Talkin about which is anti Josh Against Awesome Fury. Progress still to overcome. Oversee venues as well a- deitz that we have the diamant mandatory, which full that fought as well, but we spent decided by is running now, regarding the financial terms of for that and we've given them. The insurance is tremendous Yorkshire. Aside the all the details that we discussed in terms of the structure of the deal is approved from outside and east from Johnson theories as well so I think we're in a good place. You know I think he's fantasize. In principle of guys have agreed to that. To fights, but of course a lot drive in the meantime with today mandatory details on the group cost situation as well, but we're moving in the right direction, and I'm very confident now that I've guys. They've given that blessing for that fought together ahead might make time some. You'll be proud of personally, but these would be surely the greatest you've might. Jinx it I, mean we. Mont sites might because until I step in the ring until the extra on the contract than we want. Know for sure I'm really confident. Unlock aside when you want you gauge position where you're right sites, the other saying look. This is how the deal structure work, so you have. Yes, we all let us proceed wearing a good price, and this is the biggest. The biggest is the biggest fire ever in British folks is to British heavyweight world champions. Fighting for the undisputed heavyweight world championship, so it doesn't get any bigger and and they will never be big. On thing probably now, generation to be quite honest with you. and. You go to guys. You know very different I've come back from adversity wants Digel the other. Thing he's got. Everything is everything. I, think is what we need a time him in Spol- where we need to bounce back. We need to come back major events and everyone sadist, two thousand and twenty one I think it gives everybody a shot in the arms that we working towards this. We're trying to deliver this oil and I believe we might think right progress to do that so that kind of the incident last week, guys! If everything goes to plan again I'll do the inverted commas goes to plan. We could see Joe Suren Fury, sharing in summer, twenty, twenty, one but Barry. Won't to a with you'll. The good news is out there. Don't want to be the voice of doom bought. There's very very different agreeing and could happen and should happen agreed. Terms is a bit of a loose phrase, isn't it across? It is an all movement paths and things to happen before at in the ball rolling. Let's the the fact that they're talking is an encouraging sign ineffectively in principle. Leave a greeter. Deal which I would guess for the most patches, is the sticking point any big fighters who gets the biggest piece of the pricing? That's the good thing about social media, the Internet and things like that I think that some of these. Things are more transparent than people would like in in the industry, but that also may be. A huge fights, and maybe it's being pushed to the front because the social media, but also because of the the covid nineteen them and. There's a lack of phrasing cricket in the summer. If you want to Righty, stick three stumps in the ground. There's something on shoulder like a boxing devil. Saying that now we've got this agreed. Something terrible is going to happen like police gonNA. Win or walled is going to be Fiorito goes away the other as like a will favoring these two is the one we would say the soon as we have to. We want to see something you gets in the white. Absolute like and I understand exactly where you're coming from, it is good news. The grades fifty fifty split down the middle that was the sticking point. white back with Joshua was for Waldo. Joshua was the the marquee name. He was the cash cow a and basically there's a good affable. He's not going to be fifty fifty bucks. chucky cheese at the ruis fought SHOSHA ECON plant sue far. Eddie boxy because you get. Do you know Y-? You set yourself up front all noise you Foale and a? It's great that both guys have. Got, to the point where all star both lads book both teams are the the people the businessmen the promote etc. realize it's a fifty fifty split and Oprah Book. It's a fifty fifty split down the middle when I in politics getting away of these. Books. In. Catalysts I'm sure yeah big air! Bags what you said about trump's book. Both guys have got mandatory fighting between the wild trilogy, which also fury, and of course to love against Joshua now. We don't expect who left to be Joshua. Put Pool of the thesis. Peak heavyweight nobody expected and the release to be Joshua. Boxing happens. You know downside while to go into that Rabe. Much everyone was saying. Oh, you know. Look is so destructive accommodate. He's fought against them. The Brazil and Lucile OTC just look I mean he's got these damn stay. In one point power, he has lost that power, but of course ties the jury way back up, and so he's took the wife rubbing. You'd have to make him a massive paver. These still too dangerous fights. I was going to say. Which of those two worries you the most. Is it the comeback of wilder out of nowhere? I think we've all written off. Even if you don't want to admit, I, think it back deep to your conscience. You might say we'll. We'll think theory fating twice, or is it who live who you know, good call a amateur. Very dangerous showed law on Folk Licko keep getting off the floor until out into the canvas is probably bit between. He's take because he's been waiting in line. Which of those two worries you the most those fights? While did is always dangerous. You know he hasn't lost power he never had. We had the game plan. Just goes up your out, but few takeaways confidence not backed him up and I. think that might affect a food fight. Again when you can punch like that. Heavyweights anyway, but when you go to Apollo, he has in just close his eyes and spend the shots fight. So that's a risk, but I do tend to think maybe. Fight store think it's a good fight. The Joshua pull maybe just over the top of the hill in respect to peaking. These have to wait on the shelf. Look to long. Maybe but he still good operator and just think for me. Josh upstairs out one more confidence building fight I. Think after the Ibrox well in the rematch and tactical good. In needs to get back to the old Joshua. If you're going to see a Josh you're wherever talkin about. OBITA given fury of really good fights Josh beat Rees, who who boxed perfect at match, that Georgia will be fury. He has taken them all ideal. Josh show where he thinks he walks walls so I probably say fight that I'd be more worried about probably be Joshua Things Linger in the background Paco, vowel Kosovo the WBO tweet outlet broke everybody's heart, which was along the lines of great. Grand Slam unification, but I think the mandatory should come. Mandatory I which gave me books with was like a joke. not to take anything away for Musette, because we will not say, but the elephant in the room is dealing Wi- WBZ is now taking legal action against the BBC to get his short mouth with me. That thinks you can't really blame deleon foot for standing his ground. General I think the problem is I think if deleon radish up on that which he absolutely should have had then you know this would be a conversation or even just got into the mandatory position a few months ago. I think he'd see sense, and it would be more beneficial to him to fight the undisputed champion. I think he'd be patient or white. Talk about the problem is that is big mess the bout so. And he there in that position for so long I don't think he's just adding up to his neck and he wants shot nowadays, that means he's gotta go down the legal route so be. It's a shame if that happens in Split, so one of the ballots in the ends for the Vikings we'll talk about possibly elevates a franchise just just getting prophetic again. Yeah. I'm glad you said. You speak first boxing fan system desire for one champion. Don't ever been stronger now. We've always wanted that Bob just as you get one step away. He look at the top. There's another flight status. That night. The much himself in trouble Let's a roundup the other news did you see the top rank? Show the combat show that under the to the first one with Chicago Stevenson quite surreal in strange now. ATMOSPHERE THEM LOOK I don't WanNa. Be Too critical because they with a Paul finders they. They took a gamble and put shows on. Say We will see here in Chris Chicago Stevenson was moving one level above he's opponent 'em. Did you see Barry? I. Did Jess and well? I notice? Was it was a mismatch for this? Be honest like this crowds to financial. Financially package wanted to get a big name. He could get to the the least among many that obviously meant they couldn't afford a level opponents, and also do they want a massive massive world title fights in an empty arena right now I'd probably not what he did. Not The Batman in the strong and big massive. Ineligible to fathom it wasn't that yet. We still talk to. You looked so much stronger. I think maybe might stay up at that way to be honest. Because he looked, he looked bulkier, and he looked level, but he was holding his feet, and he was comfortable, pushing back in, and I'll tell you look good, but obviously on against much, and because of the and the lack of atmospheres well sometimes when there's a mismatch if there's a if there's a crowd screaming of this been about atmosphere, wrong, junior forgets or Paul. The fight is a time when there's no crowd. You only see what you see in the ring so. It wasn't the greatest things for boxing to comeback with, but it was a step in the. Walter knows what they have to do. I think. Maybe it might be some changes of opponents of the promoters will put on shows, and they all t on especially with no atmosphere yesterday. Children's good for people in its own watch. Top ranks defense. They'll see really really hamstrung with The travel bans are in place so walsum hundred percent agree that the pool of opponents that they had these. Trunks on what because I can only pick from certain areas that catch me fly in and. They have done to shows I. Think Matt Ryan the Follow Up. Show had a couple of bomb burn. Look as good to have it back at talking. Having boxing match, remiss slides, who announced couple of flights Jordan Gil Against Reese Pelosi is confirmed for fight camp show, and just as we come on air at Terry Hawthorne Tasha Join US which is a huge. Domestic. A think with this the corona of the restriction of traveling etcetera of we're going to get some real good domestic clashes here at farts that you know, maybe not quite fifty fifty terabytes. From a from a TV point of view the fines, what you know a think that really really infra tray of saint someone of matches. You mentioned a couple of Ed. Jordan that's a good fight belie. Fights. A real high temp. He breeds hate George, Gill. You know good box, said noise smooth. You know got hurt. The buddy that time I think that's a good fight, and also at attached Joan is Terry Hoffa. You know another domestic well tall shuts off the I. Think we're GonNa be so really really good. Findlay said the next few weeks. Barry think this is your facebook post the of a bit too much on hands needed a wish list of flights domestically, which was sponsored actually, and I think we seventy five percent local hall of those we'd be absolutely over the moon and then. You had to apologize to steady at the right side. You didn't have a female fire on their us. Whereas if you did. If you did have one, it would be this one. To me. Teddy hyper when she won the world title as it happens, she was just fantastic. She was just tonight she was. Children Work and I thought she was just talking to me attached to Jonas as being a fantastic. This look good is thrown off which she's. She's trade so I think it's. It's a fighter, though it's happened to lose the Jonas shown in the past, especially in Chicago that she can rise the agents. I think it's really good fights and also. Again with the deal belotti fights. You almost forget. That's of which will be on the first ballot in it'll. It'll go off, so you? You'll forget is no crowd watching. It's these fight. You need that people will forget. Across data just be so focused on on almost happening in the ring on the action in the ring. I think that's important. Going forward until we can get people back in arenas is a brief folks from the two of you. That know fever if you've watched any of the German football. Or flight may just watch the drop of Ryan Rolling down the window. You so I, but they on some occasions have had fake crowd noise. To boost the TV experience. USA night chosen to go the other way and leave it very roar, and it's an empty arena you can he the punches? You can hear the fly as to which other would you if you're a TV executive? Would you put fake crowd noise on the boxing when it comes back? Would you be more interested does a fighting in hearing that blows line and everything that comes with it. He will get us ma. I haven't watched the football, so could could go, but they used to watch friends when they used to fight crowd laughing. I wasn't friends. Sites bringing it up. But Actually think I'd like to I. Did Watch saved bought. A can imagine what it's coming. We've all been there early on on showed up the car and there's been a cracker of six rounder the. Pretty brutal and I'll bet you could hear everything you sat. They say you can hear everything and nothing. It'd be interesting for fans that get that close to it without the signed being drowned out, but the crowd. You can actually hear the shots go, you can hear the wind seem from the body shots and other. That'd be a pretty graphic. What do you think Barry, would you? Would you be not? It'd be nice to give people the option. Luckily you can press the red button to to hear it or not. But what would you prefer I first of all you don't give people the option that puts mind mass jobs in jeopardy. If. Why would you WanNa, do you still you still? Have you still have color tree the way, but you would have fake crowd noise. Yeah, I probably would say no like like a mattress I remember. Laugh. I'm going to take a high, but my I xe patent to time. That's a fish. So she seemed box on TV and enjoyed it, but when she sat live, and here the wax when I was getting hit the when you hear it now, people that are talking go. Look great shuttle will come on. Get up when you hear that when you're close is not will testify. It's it's. It's frightening. Sometimes. It's horrible, isn't it? You just go even when you're not fighting. GO OFF! You take that you. Don't you just deserve that's. Not Different. Booth a while ago I heard him on the podcast at an interesting. Idea about 'cause in German football. They has cut healthy people doing the crowd on the first match I. Think Correct. Yes, yes, true, he said charity, or whatever that people could? Purchase ringside seats virtually, and have they cut out and have them on chairs ringside, so they see themselves on the TV and it would be like. The NHL Wrestle over avenue whatever would like and to. Have, a cross. Cut? Deal face you. I'm telling us. You're watching is home. To great idea, superb idea that's that. Yeah, and you think that was out on Bergdahl. Bring that up in our next. Workmate, and see if we can get to agree to go great audit of the definitely get well in that case in that case, it was my idea actually. Yeah, yeah! And it was for the. was. NHS's my middle name. I didn't mention. Okay well. Let's counteroffer generic topic of this week. It's a good one I. Think legendary left Hooks. He's suggestions from people in two or three describing facebook for the left Hooks Joe Frazier. All the I should rival gene Tyson seventies way not tackling, which was the clip that we put out to try and twenty people to listen. Told me Morrison Razor Ruddock Dairy Matthews Tommy coyle deviant Lucas Brown de la Hoya. Ve August two of David Isan. Bob The Dick Tiger Floyd Patterson Ingemar Johansson the second points. Henry Coupon Cassius clay any famous left. Hook missed off I'm sure there's a few in the Cullen Jones. To it was the, it was exactly the same round that he knocked. Okocha, lying in the first round nine, this time was beautiful. Left took real coming behind from punch again. Be One of the best is produced. Never WanNa we'll talk, but yeah. It was a fantastic one of the best at took us in the business calling Jones Wells yes definitely. Throw Ricky Hatton's against. Call US I was a rib there. That was a Patriot show. Left up to the body was one of the best letter only punches and Ricky's career. Who The you at Barry who threw at best so it's really a factual it's it's what you like A. It best in European who was the best that you like to watch an action thrown any Mexican. Pretty much I think they just have a natural rhythm to the mid eighty two for me. I probably would save the pushing with sugar. Ray Leonard is because he has so much speed whipping stuck because he's my favorite I'm grew up with. Him Than to watch it when he not go. Dave Boy Green for instance I left Jokin. A double it up, he could hit from body. The head dot combination. He was just an and it was just pout. Timing of the paceman debate was always awesome. He's my favorite man. Who did you like to see throw? He threw it best in your opinion. They survey Leonard. I believable leftover Barry's bang on the money that but you know Joe Frazier. My Joe Fry your other big. But had one vicious basis, leftover, head and body. That it was you was company that was these wasn't a sequel. That was wet foot. He was going to out and out left. Hooker Bob Wakes slide looking to get these left talk for it was what I mean the power that he had with him that that. Let's talk against Mohammad-ali Fifteenth Thrive. But probably the best leftover for. Be The most famous together because it is possibly the best is the bean. Winds have. It was it was in the last on that. He put it down the Nuxie. Got Up. To get heat sweep that left talk those fifteen round. To. Just get straight up. What a shame! conditioning for Mama Valet. Unbelievable wasn't I watched only a couple of days ago and also watch the chat show interview off to the flight where all the conceded that he wanted to let, frazier hinted to proves it couldn't hurt him, and you just think that plan. Although he did, he did lead. Rounds go boy I think. He wanted to prove a point any state in the corner. He must've the Fraser. He at some point like this is a good idea. especially with that Li like a lead left took. Like leftover from. And it wasn't that we because he didn't say that one. That was what that was probably why it was the one that dropped him. You know type leftovers. During the fog show. He was look. He's trying to get sick south then Joe Frazier Bang. He's kind of letting that Jack in the box where he'd been down and scribbled with it court. Bang on chairman. Alex breaks. And I think that's that's Tyson got that because they were short distance within the range. You think you're safe. But he dipped down. They built the distance, but each leap in always leads the floor when he when he landed with a leftover and I think that was so Tyson so close to speak before through it, I think he. He learned from phase the Sometimes people throw it almost effortless is there's no big windup is not the big. Koyo would release incomes. All three legs is just. Almost like lackadaisical left took the switches people off, and then you have the one that you posted on facebook. which was what we postie, the White Alexander which is mice like winding spring up Lennie go. Is that just natural power? Don't no. Way Not. Natural probably not compete blogs amateur like I, think he I think he might have twentieth knuckles on a Charleston is an. You, Stati has been eagle with the body shot that of tackle Luca punching South Wayne was winded. You can. See. The clip that you put outs. Social Media. He's got his tucked in because he'd been hit the shelves and then all of a sudden by yourself. That's a shot where you see a lot of people. Getting knocked out leaning, but left the body because they're overreaching that right hand, which normally be took on their chain comes down, and they're wide open accounts upstairs with let short left as exactly. What? Why exam? The court tackler with her emmy went for the Finnish Elaine left, took so bodies and came DOWN BANGED WHY NO EXAM! Just short the upstairs what devastating knockout that was unique for the food to get that body shot in. Because you do that. You have to take the right show. The package squares you up this name and obviously when you show them back, then you, you're right glove, which is on your chin, either go or behind the back of your head because you're trying to get some leverage on the shelves, so you say punches, conflict assaults is because you're vulnerable when you go in, and you go in for the finish. That's a lot is the candidate shocked the so committed to finish them off a symptoms they get caught as they go in and rancor punch with the hands anytime. You wanted to, and it was never more dangerous when he was hurt. I wonder how much of it is got to do with perhaps natural left handers books, the docks so some people right with left hand, but would box the docks I. Think Henry Cooper by Henry's Hamel. was you know one of the most according several I'm sure that he wrote left-handed i. wonder if that's something that if you took yet, Delahoya was fat. Yeah, if you took a stroll public people, that boxers looks but waxy left. That explained. What some such good focus! But I was writing then as an amateur, I, was dropping body shots. It was I honestly I really was is had to believe the when you see my pro career, and it wasn't the power, but I had the whip in my shots. Weren't you get confident with its? I was so confident when I hit to the party. I would almost away. Courageous do soak shortly. We're GONNA fall I knew he was a, they could get up. At the right angle and I knew I on the album new as it hits him, and he was a whipping shots, just a breath away because I saw when I left Okinawa, you might look club faces me, but the inside of the cliff faces me I. I thought we might Pam sideways rather than display album on my pants. Facing the floor is a different variation. The Hooks of course y'all. Got, my. Bike Somme could. You could do it the other way if they think I mentioned forty buddy mcgirt to teach you cut you out and throw it. NOCCO soil was with the laptop was a different shot that he was trying to change and didn't really fit. We may I couldn't. Could do but affecting the whole rhythm, but that wasn't. That wasn't a left Tokyo, but you. Do you see the AMAS game? You say he's throwing that. Let's talk where you know. The the palm would be facing the floor, the turned into knuckles over, but like Bahrain. Exactly, yeah, that's very interesting. I'm dim. Your wife is someone that is often crops up on those who are list watching the Joshua fight the other day. You just wonder what might have been if they again, but didn't want body punching. Something massively underrated. Something that we when we have these discussions. Tend to talk about heavyweight bodyworks. Heavyweight left hooks to the body other whether. It's because there's something more dramatic about electric to the heads and knockout, or if heavyweight sometimes. They'll get the credit for being good body punches I is that something in my head? I'm not sure no, they don't, is it? Because the finishes nine hundred ten come to come from head punches though in the heavyweights. You don't often see a heavyweight knockout to the body I think because they're so heavy handed. They look into the finish all she. That's you you do get happy heads. They call it if you WANNA. See a heavyweight. Dole really great body shots. I watched it today, actually Gerry Cooney versus wrong lyle and he hits him so hard to the body, so had not a whipping. At he hits him through the roof. Is. It's well worth a watch on new. It was just unbelievable. It's one of those punches that there are so many different variations of it Matt. You spoke about like the going forward with the left a jack in the box. As the is the perfect way to describe it throwing left going backwards, the counter left hook which is. Many donate is probably one of the best counter left hookers eat. awaits so many different variations, which probably makes you one of the most difficult punches to defend us phase, and there's no wrong wrong. You'll end up finding a way that works for you and. Take spoke of course for most people be absolutely textbook. You'll be variation just off that again. What works we mentioned about some Guy's throat wet, the palm vice them, so it's like you know horizontal other guys that palms facing the floor throw quite long. Enough for his left looks quite long Berry. Kinda loopy scoop. You know somebody's like Mike. Tyson was very short. These let's talk and he stiffen these body adrover Powerful from his from his face when agenda, you know really planning these free. Jack in a box, so it's it is different and again I just don't think. Thing whatever works for you? Okay, that's really interesting. So famous in great example guys and onto topic number two those crucial men with their bags of mystery, potions and tools, skilled, many glittery decide the course of his all list of cut conjurers Lewis Al Gavin. Who Calcio MIC Williamson Rayo? Sell Chuck Bodak Joe. Susa Stitch Duran Eddie the clots Eliana Dave Tenny Don fee bowed. Miguel Diaz Lenny Hayes Ralph Sit Troy Luigi self say Sid, Brownback and Tom Snare some great Italian American. Names F assurance from Latin. America names I. Matt used to mark quite heavily butter member you being a face mask with blood berry. We easily car or you didn't have many. I get black. If you missed me with a laptop in bed, I'd Knicks. To Nixon to my box freighters like being an elusive Chia Tattoos. They give the the Mexican gangsters I to those of is. Cool. Now I'm quite lucky. Made so, it wasn't too bad a bruce quite badly. was probably six or seven times a Reuben broncos. Quote by the over both allies, but not it wasn't something I would have been you know synonymous with. It wasn't renowned for being a bad leader for bruiser. Yeah, absolutely Ed Murray. Coming can be worth their weight in gold, so many flights is had their careers saved me Williamson. Probably the standout God from the UK or one of the standout goes. On of course because he no, he shaved Ricky Hatton's career. It seems. Every, if you on it because he's into cut ABC go ahead and you. Might Stop Him, from reaching his potential pro that's in the community and I can imagine I know what makes you could imagine like anyone's job is being very pragmatic and camp because you only have. Submit rest of not many arrested cuts gotta be thirty seconds really time he gets, and but Sunday gotta get up and get back into the next wrong so to be calm and a know what he's doing. Rush and also the fighting south of is not mind. A panic over this. I think he's a combination about what makes her a good team. And I think Williamson's at the had the trusted. And rightly so close. Some little fights snow because been A. A change. About for you had with Jonathan facts that I mean that was. courtly trip two. Seconds of thinking then as an authority on IV was the same brand with the next rat, so literally the whole twelve ground more or less for which to really puts a bad bad coats, both both right in the middle over both. Drip Dining Gerard Blair division Ricky was terrible. Eliana Williamson, as you said by Roy e Die so I think because he was in the corner of Ricky was such a high profile prospect, and obviously a very famous superstar champion Williams profile as a great quote smooth grew with it, so you know the back of I ever wanted to be Williams that. You'd go through that list there. That nickname speech durant. Thanks. Let's look at it, but movie isn't a speech. The Randy Imagine. Sixties, New York Black and white film. You know really yeah, but I mean Danny Milano goods cuts money to a lot of the. More corn on a full said you might say as a love. Cannon older finds I in America actually Danny. Milano was the could sky, and he easy police Malaysia easy eating a lot of a lot of those guys that Brooklyn Vice, Italian, American have. A GOOD Good good sky, actually out of New York cold. Thank you, George Mitchell. It was a big absolute rica for the KFC McConnell, but he was. A. JUMP DOT CO badly La- Coppola. Before your avoid campus? He was badly over. Probably follow always actually. That's a have surgery after it to take the Scottish book. He quite badly. I think. Insures Ninety George Mitchell but he could. Berry one of the move famous ones in recent years. AQAP member fewer there or if he did it from studio fury Wellin- hoagie Cap Petillo. Is there. The other. Way, you would rank that in terms of fad cots. It looked a terrible car on the. He saved Tyson Fury. He taught some theories. Not. With all adult he did. That would be violent with the coach stopped I. Tell You that much. Only because it was fury, the Calcutta News winning, and he was the guy who's all the big things. That's the best repoed potty thoughts. He's got his adult a guy who was losing with cut. They will be able to stop in and say another date, but yes. In the call has made a great joke because. You can't do nothing. But we're. GonNa Buddy at coats and A. Bad One where the corner made an absolute pigs ear rebate. Clips car gets Louise and the guy opens the coping was unbelievable. That is one of the most disgusting, and it was like of how people describe it like a duck. The topic thumb you could put your thumb in you. Imagine cuts astray, but that was like a hexagon and it was a mess. You're right. My I'm not gonNA say the guy made it any better or any worse than anything about being a customer e certainly didn't make it better. Put it that way. Quite a few cuts come off a wealth, so you know it's just. Ashwell option the skinny shocked unstressed revenue. If. They can see that, so they get the end on the Liddy. Assigned where it was reading Christner's. Some still cuts. Clash. Heads are real heavy shocked with with a stick. Stick's a patient rips offered. You can't do nothing to that. Other stuff when you start to get a wealth or bruise in do. Maintain nuts. It's a sign of a good where they know it can. The trouble ahead out again. That's all cash with experience much like a Lotta stuff in the corner, but I do. When you trade is one thing, but been able to do it like like a boxer or a good comment cut. It Up to do it in a short space of time, not the seconds whatever they have. All that pressure where you could be the difference between the guy going on as hall of Fame Career Opium Footnote on active. That's that takes a lot of lot edginess. Squeamish when it comes to cups, but there is the old one where I feel like luck, just a little bit more difficult to breathe, but I'll tell you now if anybody can match battle Jax cop against Marcus Brown. How? On Earth. How the cuts mind go in there. It was like a car crash. That's what it was like it was. Wasn't it was a neak it was. It was Harry Potter on steroids. It was mental it was. It was absolutely the Worst Cup a do. Remember another one as well doing the town cheaply before amateur who temper Mahmoud Miran. Maloney show Igwe the ring and. Been Rings on Seen It. This is when I was looking for Frank Maloney, now, cutting money as a teaboy, and he was livid, been stocks, and he turned to me, and he said he bad, and you could see the skull. That was the only other time I felt like a black dots that you say will come in a little bit close out. Yes, pretty bad one question for you, Matt. Some swelling. In swell when they really appoint heavily of always been curious, it doesn't hurt 'cause. It seems like a really trying to full. That mouse out of out of your life does he is a painful experience. Amazing it's not pleasant book. Your your your Adrenalin grain of merely miles an hour. You got other stuff on your. Get Out of that, so it's it's. It's a place that it's babble. View Bell goes to show. Via the Dante it's? It's got there for a reason. What did you do is a cuts man when Stephen Smith comes back to the corner with hanging off. The truly even training doesn't. Contain for anything, but that was one of the move. Freakish injuries the topic the topic wasn't worst. Injuries is Wisconsin but I. I would love I'd love to know what was going through Joe Gallagher and other than if it was make that night, but That's a panic situation, isn't it? I'll tell you about blah. Then he slept. Against the it was. Jones! You call them and there's no in school in the world that can help. Is there like Samho late that night endzone macaroni, Elliot's well similar injuries, but listening. Is Not said nevertheless, is head swollen so bad that? He has another hedged was assigned to me. That's what like. Joel head. A sexy but ridiculous when you. Barry not so much Uber Ma. If if you went back to the corner and you had an injury. Did you want to know how bad the was? Would you say how bad is it? Would you expect that you're always told the truth? Yeah made you. Know Really. As long as it's not A. Cook, so badly. Right was squirting out all over the place well the worst. What would have been group of that was the last round when he got five squared I. It will be. I never really had a bad bad cook. So I kind of I was trouble of the fog, beat up or anything I think I got caught and I knew it'd be because. The amendment that I think I remember combat to the corner. William, Center city bad, they said. It's okay you know so I. Think Candidate. I just didn't want to get the get stopped on a you know what I mean, so how do people become a costume? Because Mick Williamson Spike about music at length, but mix trade outside of that was a taxi driver on a thing did not necessarily. Or medics do you know how people become cops mental Y, they become coachman. Carry cases cuts novellas knee so as well as a trainer. So yes, I guess a lot of train themselves. I would imagine naturally stats. I would imagine re guest. Trainer and he was Delia cuts, and then he would learn how to deal with the experience and more FIS. He had all. You have to work with an may be whether he's is left. What he? He just was all look at him. Because he's the Milton cousin, it must be not Mr be NOCCO, don't think you go straight into its and as you have some medical background. But then why would you WanNa do it in the first place? Back in the day uneven now allow trainers do their coats, because no, you're. Not, really a lot of just want to start shutting out on your quinto every pays. Whatever other what he buys a book. You know so jerry the train. A-, a lot of time trying to will do the coats as well, but I think when they get bigger fights, and the pressure will run. They don't WanNa be saw track a cook and giving advice in the corner, and they just WANNA focused on. Being the chief secretary of being the corner, giving you advice that talk and they just want someone else that got to be. Get caught about site care of your Roy. Does kind of course that you have to go on or I suppose anyone in theory could be cooler cuts. Book generally probably already got to be involved in boxing some April fall. Before you become a quits, but. Finally, be evening cut so many times go along cuts one. No one knows more than me. Getting cuts because my face is scheduled face. You don't really see that. You Know Rick. Ricky Ricky chains by, but would he be the customers well with yet could Smith. An experienced epidemic williamson will carry case into helping. You think that he's been cut so often. He would probably have a of an inside knowledge of what it's like. I suppose even if he's not doing the cost. I think Tommy Philip fondue does the cuts that out for the Pfizer with Ricky. Ricky one thing that is a massive benefit. Is Ricky missing done it with the surf? He's GonNa fly a young. Fox is caught. At least he can reassure them from. The outside of the rights of you know throw worried about the COP Blah Blah Blah. I would say the cuts men in general for most of your career that. It's. Just an extra person in the column. And you've probably paying for nothing. But I would imagine that one time one time you need an explosive. The bill you have to pay for. Nothing, could you really do you know what I mean I think? That's the difference to you. Don't you don't need as ninety nine percent. This smokes like this time you need. You don't have them. As your could be a big difference between. A. And also how you Korea's? Quote by because it's not just such a saving for that. It's about you know doing the right thing, so you know it's not an unrepeatable damage after the that's involves. Removal. I'm sure Ricky had an operation to remove scar tissue because it was cutting from the inside out the skull tissue, so called on the inside the any impact would cutting from the inside out, so he had that removed from using years of Cots, just a real gruesome focused on. Why we shouldn't have expected any different because we're talking about custody is a bad way, make we? Should we should we move on? The worst case the hats which. Is Me and my brother before the football much messing round chatterbox in and we both class heads still. Time and I cut. Just. Immature my eyebrows. And he was so angry combat. that he wants the. You just cut me. You move away and. I had brother so thanks. Brother Steve thanks. Okay, so let's move on now for final section, which is a fancy fighters. competivity I think it. I think we'll be glad when we don't have to do this anymore. Look, we started, so we have to finish. Lots of social media hate last week. A have to say. It was absolutely brilliant of never been I've never been prouder of Johnny and Matt mccloud. At, but I have to say co fraud took it in such good taste. Let's hope that nobody shed the episode. rijo cows, aggie, but Joe will have been pleased by results of our poll where he finished on top. Five percent of the vote Barry How many times did you vote this Lobamba, come a blisters on my. Second was on number. One Pick, which is Roy Jones junior who got thirty, eight and Andre Ward, always a fans, favourite, unwisely fourteen percent, but in terms of some of the other polls that we had that was closer than most. So, we'll run out of white divisions, but we have not forgotten heavyweights this week, though going to go back down the whites to the bathroom whites, so if you like me been blowing the dust of the boxing encyclopedia on the show Annum, a few box wreck searches by his all list of greatest roosters, which is say one of the best nicknames Freddie Weight Division. So. We've got F- joffrey Terry. McGovern. MEMPHIS Powell more call US Cereti. Manuel Ortiz Orlando is all as Panama. Al Brown. Rueben Oliveira's Pete Herman chose Bob Taylor. Joe Lynch Sixto Escobar Job Fighting Harada. Johnny coup loan. Kit Williams. George Dixon Jeff Vinik and Lionel rose so Barry County I anybody missing from that list before you give us your top three. If we missed anybody out, that's GonNa Feature your list. Not My job three know when they asked him this pinch. Johnny Tapia because if you're gonNA go more recent. Jeff Jeff Panic, Finnick yet he's on once. You get past saw mid-eighties fighters of box getaways that it's had Canadian adulthood particularly good I think he's a fantastic. was told the some white. Yeah, believable fight! Them is one of the experts you'll see you knew see it on Youtube. The Forum I can seventy. Seventy seven a joke with. RUTTA versus Affonso Zamora's. It just goes easy or something like that and it was like to massive punches Zorkin about. Like sixty see Kale's Saturday wins. The Tummy finished his career and Zamora was a was a huge. Was The punch until he wins. You. The best price you can have a see. They were always added just. As know the bantamweight. Through so many punches, and they just never tire. So, but barry onto the dishes on my list and one of the things written down was the wbz in the wbz refused to sanction the flight, being the undisputed world. which when you read out, records just seems crazy. I'd love to know the context. Anyone knows cindy in, but yeah. I think you're right. I think it was called something like that as You tend to think you have to go right back in his speak to talk. And also this great stories. Zamora. Punch Olympic so badly finished his career? I think. Dunbar Tom uses is mid twenties and years later. You win the lottery in Mexico. Crazy you probably didn't independent oxygen? All those hats fights. Took career. One of the greatest. In twenty at least and then thinks you go nothing and everyone's luckily can edgy. joffrey was not one of the best not lead best. One of the best fighters. As honest so in a in a country, which really doesn't really produce any good cycles. Football's God's in Brazil everything soccer so. There's a there's a man that you're not just brought in. Skills could punch holes through walls and a steel. Only lost the one guy in twice and I was another old time grazing in Japanese fighting the rather. Long as these fighters in the League, and you go rhino rules. Another fighter losing all time greats. I think some fantastic names on the list. Come back to editor for it because he's got some really interesting stories. Anybody that we've missed out there that. Should be. Salani set say a good five. The probably bets are a white wasn't aimed superfly the answer, but he was bad so white champion and he was definitely. You know a recent Yay standing in the white division. Look you know you mentioned the Cannizzaro. Ruben Olivera is a course editor email before any of. You have to look at his stats and I think he's probably university regarded as the number one of a white. They tend to. Fight series one of the ones. The are love is Rafael Marquez Israel Vasquez on no, that was up at Super Bantam but Rafael Marquez is someone that's probably sneaks into top ten. Maybe ended. Your phrase from just wants comeback that they say. The editor had the greatest sporting comeback ever in boxing I. Know a long time, we think. George Forman coming back after years and become the heavyweight champion, but editor Joe Free. Came back a federal way of disappearing for a two year hiatus to come to weight world champion. Should we get onto the top threes? Then McCullough Walter Swire's while it wasn't super bowl sponsor. In Japan as well really at the Travel Ed Buffet and that must mean for. Because basically tells in Las Vegas in the William McCulloch. Really pushing it because you look all action, you here's the Olympics maladies, but you still travels Japanese fighters. When once have a champion back? They really do with their wallets. Who sits in your top three then Barry! In reverse ruled. Number three for me is Panama. Brown fight for Netanyahu on the flow once in one hundred and sixty eight fights, not just an outstanding fight us. The story of this guy seems a gay man back in the eighties. Of the products falls in love with I, think it was a right to. The massive never fair still was a phenomenal, quite ended died in New York skin like most is I'm afraid. He's just a fantastic Saudi, but gretchen could punch bowls walls as knowledgeable desalvo along the late for me, the asked to be known three for the longevity. This career nobody deals in an era. It was which was surrounded by fighting as well. And I think he was. When you think of Panama Boxing, only one nine that really stands out in the more near Truth Roberto, Duran, but apparently before that he was the most talented fighter to ever come out of Panama I'd also even though kid. Gavilan got ready so the the first credit throwing up all bunch I think Alberta you through seventy hours. Maybe sending similar, we might be in the Guy Really introduced shelf to us. Trailblazers, valley in every in every so. Yeah. Definitely Here's at number two. I found this had that's is Carlos Duarte Sixty knockouts in seventy wins? He was just a monster leaves a sixty five for lost some city like that. And, then of course, if you only number one. Said drugfree. It has to be me I, think he still I think he's one of the best. In of all time in any leads. Could. Punch ads all the skills he had longevity, and obviously no, not that great comeback had an English hi. Good, enough you still to beat everyone. Could walls after me. He's my number one by a standout to be honest My is you list a different. A little bit, but only because I've got to be on his. Way would be one of my struck whites I've gotta say even go up a pretty good usually go back through the years. A boxing historian find some white would be one of a week horizon. Maybe I'm saying these guys because there's one for Mayo Orlando Cannizzaro is number three. Ruben Olivera. joffrey number. One Ribbon Olivera is someone that probably could have gotten the best left hooks yeah. I gotta say. I gotta say to Berry. It's too late now is that we're twenty minutes down the road. People have switched off with my bloody ramblings Graham. And you brother ahead. Of. Some of that comes up with a comeback for so two days later. I to say. He was fantastic. Five match lights the Nike Bucks. pity Hattie over here and he was in the box news recently I remember watching it on TV. He lost. Near world champion in my mind. In the first vice that was one of those things where the one night and he had, he was a champion of the world in everyone's hottest except for three judges. Who Sits at number one in your list Matt so to Recap Orlando. Cannizzaro is three Ribbon Varas. To. Eric Uprise at one. Edda Jefferey at one so I I do waste breathe a sigh of relief when the two guests save number one, Barry, you call us. Arrests site number to Panama Three. Matt with diabetes of leverage if we could put Carlos SURATA. Number two yet. Though I'm going to walk you out happy. The reason any reason it's just He probably be the last. He. Felt threatened I. Did. Although it's not the easiest, but both of you deserve. A stiff drink could not having to do the super flyweight episode. I love Johnny with Jodi Nelson trying to let super-flyweight Johnny Nelson superfly. I know I don't know how we ended up on it, but Joni trying to pronounce Jiro what an all by. It just wasn't happening, so. About you call recall, it could play tig much about am whites. You think maybe weeded super welterweight during the two lights. Is that the one we? We did a fabulous. Human alcyone and you won't have an assault. You, you were wrong I'll tell. You if Is Scott Studio somebody's. Studio Ralph. Mass well. This week we'll let you decide okay so. Energy of definitely number one. Caller SURATA AT number two. Who would you feel about number three? Lavar is or will under Kanye's all is. Our Brown. Buried you WANNA stick with Panama Al Brown. I do yes, I, do I. Do that's okay? I feel like I'm mindful of Paula. Now. You've got to. Feel strongly about stick to it, or are they? Not sure WHO'S GONNA win poll? because. People don't vote for the right person. Necessarily they vote for the name that they most recognize that we interested to see if a whole free Joe Frank I. Keep Saying Hall. Nando editorial fray. It'd be interesting to see if he wins the vote on that. I think you. Don't get as many boats. The weights goes because they won't be named standout. Look up the ten Bengal each of all time, and then go a new look, similar fights, and especially in this loft on all you just time your life's gearboxes nuts. You're not the time you're like it systems. Some of the best. You can watch that those middleweights could. Well that brings us to the end of this week. Show so you. Can I just say one thing. Aku She can I. Was GonNa? Ask You if you want to say Happy Birthday Roberto's around sixty nine I think he is today. It very easy to skip over your own history. If you don't if it didn't go your way, I think he's birthday. He and his fate. Thomas hearns a separated only by twenty four hours or forty eight hours, and he tweeted our only sold the tweet yesterday, so if he if the anniversary was yesterday. tweet a lovely message about life SUV teaches. Lessons doesn't go how you think it will follow it. He's lost. Sir Thomas hearns and tweeted a picture of him face down on the canvas, and what was one of? My brutal knockouts I just do. All of the comments. Were you know how classy is that? The can use negatives to turn into a positive and learn life lessons of happy birthday. Roberto Duran. A tenth of his career I would just be hill canton back the my career, so that was good. He wants to just something special really. I know there's some people that athletically gifted and other boxing finds them rather than they find box in kind of thing, but I wonder if the ran if go bill someone that was suited for fighting in terms natural talent. He has to be up there. He's one of the best biggest punches one of the best jobs one of the best thinkers, one of the best body punches and one of the best defensive fighters using credit from sit pinches is typical, but the punches. Going forward is so hard like the way he. Just turns his head is just at that level is phenomenal. I've. Landed but I think if I was my age now, and they sit around. I think Japan would be man I think. He's one of the absolute pound for pound old shop grades. He would be most people top five pound for pound ever. I Mess I ran back ten years ago. Ease Massinissa dramatic, actually by the way the rams my size stock yet. He's my heart's midgets. Really and you see. East giant can believe he could make super middleweight middleweight. We cruiserweight and the thing that beat him. Ahead Robbie. Karan. Of attracted to the madness of flotsam sometimes, and he had that as well the chaos and carnage that followed him around is who poll of the story. Is the worst and the best board fought it for dramas and lunatics and crazy stories boxing. Just it really is it just you will never forget sport like it. Outside of the ring. Another podcast and undersell goes mount boxes in my era latch was different eras and the new era now and before this again with the worst, because like you talk about people just been normal lives. It's like. They did on the side, so it's just it's the stories you grow. Barry stuff. They're running out of time. That is oh for the show. It's flown by. Remember to us all I choose good or bad. We've got thick skin. Don't mind. Stay safe and still wash those hands. My thanks to Barry Answer mapped most of all to you. Guys from this thinks next week.

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Jerilynn Stephens - Dream Big or Dont Bother

Masters Podcast Club

1:11:34 hr | 6 months ago

Jerilynn Stephens - Dream Big or Dont Bother

"Hi Everybody Win Clay Ball here and I'm just so thrilled about this interview because you meet people who have incredible resumes but then when you find out that they are also using that resume just as a platform to be able to get noticed to then help. Other people for me is so attractive. We all have a platform. We all have a stage. We all have a spotlight. And it's what we do with that spotlight to serve others that that truly is character-building sets us up for the kind of life that we wanna have and when you're around those kinds of people just feel it. You just feel calmness. You feel hope you feel energized? And that's exactly how I would describe Gerald Green Stephen So Gentlemen. Welcome to masters some. I ch- thank you. The thing I love about Gerald is that you made this happen is not like I found out about you and tracked you down in stock you which is usually how I meet people and I'm proud of that you're the one who was the aggressor here. You're the one who said you need to know who I am. And of course you were right and then all the people around you told me the exact same thing thing get this. Geraldine is a guild award. Winning and seven time Emmy nominated hairstylists. She is the head stylists on the Voice Shark tank Song Land Disney's FAM jams new one. Yeah it's brand new. It's going to air at the end of February. Oh can you hear about it? And other top rated shows so she has worked as a hair stylist and makeup artist on fifty plus TV and film productions and has attracted a personal client list that includes both celebrities and non celebrities alike. Obviously I'm reading this Gerald's motto which we're GonNa talk about is dream big. Don't bother that's what we should call this interview right. That'd be a good theme okay. She loves sharing her experience. Of How five simple. F words transformed during world and helped her manifest the life of her dreams. She's now on a mission to help others do the same so she has. This book called the five. Fu Words to manifest in your life which we're GonNa talk about and gives an insider. Look on what it takes to be successful as a Hollywood hair. Stylists Geraldine currently lives in Los Angeles. Her husband son. And you have a pot bellied pig as why. Do you have a pot belly pig? My well my son Sees Lucy I you know it was like honestly like Lucille Ball. Of course but it was just like one day. I was like what about Lucy in my husband was like I was thinking that yesterday Lucy and I was done and that's kind of how our son's name came up to was the same thing he thought about it. I thought about talked about it. He's like I want to be the name of our son. Okay well first before you came up with the name Lucy what I WANNA know how. Come up with the idea that you wanted to bill. Here's happened my son. My husband are allergic to cats and dogs so literally I was like how am I going to be a reptile mom? I am not a reptile. Mom Don't like reptiles and so I started researching and trying to figure out what we could have in or what we zoned for. Because there's that as well and I mentioned a pig and my husband pooh-poohed it he was like no way I mentioned again year later and then it became his idea. That is the secret to any relationship. You make it their plan to see them. Yes you plant the seed nurture it and you let it become their idea and do not say. I told you so. Yeah he was working on site and he works in our business as well. He's a key grip and a woman pigs there and she was telling him everything I had said in so then I said all right. If this doesn't work out remember this was your idea or could so big. Is this pig. She's seventy five pounds. Okay did you think that this was going to be miniature? 'cause PEOPLE SAY OH. I got a miniature pig. There's no such thing correct. I now know there is no such thing and so they're really cute. There's little little five pound little so cute. They're starving okay just babies and it's not funny but it's true. It's like the ones that stay. Small are not being fed properly but this breeder told us she would be around fifty pounds. Seventy five pounds. She's seventy five now cut to a year. Later we adopted ricky ricky lived with us for six years until he passed away in October. Ricky's another pig. Yeah we adopted him but he passed away last October and he was one hundred and thirty five pounds when we live with you. He was my gentle giant town. Sorry to be so ignorant but and they're cleaned gas they don't smile they have a pig door they go in and out of and they're like dogs and we would come home. They hear the garage door open. They come greet us. They're so cute. Ricky I miss him a lot. But Lucy's living her best life now alerts and then also what does it Ki- grip your husband's a key. Grigor you always see that in the credits. Yeah what is the keys? Basically so they actually really do exist. Yeah what do they do? I'll tell you real quick. And a little. He is the boss of his department. Which the grip department which the grip department is the department that makes the camera do anything it needs to do that. The director or director photography needs it to do so. It needs to be mounted on a car. There those guys that mounted on the car or if the son needs to be blocked and all of that or a house needs to be tempted to make it. Look at nighttime these are the grip guys got it he. Outta okay. Now I'm I'm educated on key grips and on for pets. Okay so tell us your story about going to beauty school back when you were twenty. Five thirty five. Basically an old lady by that you know why and I felt like and beauty school a seriously but I was such a lost soul throughout my entire teenage life into my early twenties and I kind of I moved to Seattle and I was bartending and I knew I did not want to be thirty years old and bartending and so one of my friends decided to go to Aestheticians School. And she said why. Don't you go to hair school and I was like yeah. That sounds great so at the age of Twenty Five. I decided I needed to get my life together and I went to beauty school but while he was in beauty school it was like all of a sudden it became like. Oh my gosh. This is my purpose in life. I love to make people feel look good and so. That's how that all came about so you're bartending. Prior to that I stayed. Yeah I actually bartended through almost thirty to build my clientele and my business and I knew that I always wanted to be doing here in Hollywood so that was my ultimate goal so I was doing everything I could in between to make myself prepared. Can you give a shout out about that because I have people who are like embarrassed to tell me that they are bartenders or that? They work at starbucks or that. They're doing whatever they have to do to launch a career to go to beauty school build a clientele and launched their dreams their embarrassed about how you know. I I like to pay my bills and I like money so yeah I bartended at night. Three days a week while I was establishing myself I actually apprenticed for a year and a half in a salon underneath the woman and all of the stolen Seattle all of this Stellan Seattle. I stayed in Seattle till I was thirty years old and then moved to Los Angeles because of course fear slowed me down from moving here but during that time. I knew if I wanted to be in Hollywood. I was told to do makeup as well so I went to make up school. I started doing hair and makeup for any free job but came along photo shoots I saw out. You know anyone models photographers independent films. Anything I heard about for some reason you know like it's all synchronicity. When you start to want something they all come to you so people were offering me all these free jobs. And so that's how I built might like portfolio back then was from just doing little paid or free opportunity. I've heard people literally brand new into their career. Maybe right out of school or even five years into their career in Oh. I would never do anything for free. What do you say people? God you know. Honestly it's how bad do you want it? You know because you don't know what that opportunity is going to bring for the next opportunity. A lot of jobs haven't panned out to anything except for experience. But then there's been jobs that have panned out to the next and the next and then becoming into the circle of working people working. Freelance artists are still speaker that my other career that I have of course they still do stuff for free whether I'm asked because it's a charitable organization or is just a group of people that WANNA be connected to. I just want to have that experience or I want to travel to that city or whatever it is I just want to be able to have that experience. Well I'm doing the same thing you know what speaking at the schools because I made it a mission to give back in speak to people about my journey and how I got there through manifesting my five Edwards and I am saying Yes to everything you know. I will go speak anywhere if it's going to help someone with becoming who they're meant to be and give them motivation and encouragement so at some point. You then visited a film set. Tell us about that. Was that in Seattle Seattle issue there. She in Seattle. Here's how that worked. I was in beauty school. My friend who is going to aestheticians school started dating a grip so he was hired locally to work on a Los Angeles film so we went to go visit and he introduced me to the hair and makeup trailer. They were all so wonderful. And they're like if you want to do what we're doing moved to Los Angeles and I said okay. Here's what I'M GONNA DO I. And that's when I N beauty school. I found my purpose in my dream so I got really lucky. I think a new learn. What a key grip is out. I gotta I gotTa take any good guys. Okay so on and you're still beauty school at all but then at what point did you finally moved down because I see graduated got a job at a song. So you're still delay this bank wise because I knew I needed to get experience. I couldn't just move down here straight. Outta beauty school and be like here. I am you know so. I prepared myself for the opportunity by SAID MAKEUP. I freelanced I was renting a chair after I did the apprenticeship. I actually went and rented a chair so that I could have more flexibility in my personal career development and being able to take jobs and move my clients around if I needed to so I did that for four years and then finally I felt like okay. I am ready. I said I'M GONNA move on November first two thousand one and I planned it for about six months and then nine eleven happened and then I of course go into fear and I'm like maybe I'm not going to go and I just had to push through it and I went anyway and I actually had a friend down here and I stayed with them for a month while I got my own place and actually flew back and forth to Seattle every six weeks and did a bunch of clients so that yeah. I JUST DIDN'T WANNA lose that income right so You then while still in Seattle working on films working on South Sudan no opportunity while you were there none but you did you. You talked about building your portfolio. Yeah through photographs okay. We'll talk about. That is still something that need to do today. I think people look at instagram now. But that's still requires having a good I. Yeah doing good hair and makeup. Knowing and understanding lighting is still requires marketing. It still requires. China's still requires all of those things it does. Does I think if I were starting. Fresh would definitely think more about that than I do now. More about the lighting and the picture and the portfolio aspect of it. Because honestly I don't think too much about it. Sometimes as my portfolio anymore I feel like I am my portfolio if you WanNa take me by the reputation and I get referred and it's not so much anymore like what is your instagram. Look like for hair for me anymore. It's really referral as me as a professional. But I'm telling you if I were starting out I would do it differently than I am doing it right now. I think does that make sense? Of course you. You paid your dues so to speak. I guess Ya got the name. You've got the clients who not only was. She graded here make up but she was easy to work with. She was a pleasure to be around. I'm sure all of that precedes you. Cry would definitely be taking that class. And I probably should okay so if you go to my instagram. I might need to hire someone you know anybody. Have you seen my daughter? I know I know. I know it's like try not to do that a lot but I throw one. I post a picture of me in the most famous person on the planet and then I post something on my daughter and thousands of his so Kotel. Cute and adorable. And I'm not so much less. So how long have you now been doing the suitcase? And you said you were thirty one when you move down to two okay because people are putting a timeline on this visit thinking. Oh well Gerald built his entire career in six months now. Okay so when? I was thirty when I moved to Los Angeles and I will have to say from my twenty s into thirty two years old. I was drinking way too much and I was in a very dark place so the fact that I even could actually get myself to Los Angeles is a miracle to me. When I moved here I spent that year of heavy drinking and seclusion which was easy. Because I didn't really know anybody. I was working at a barbershop on sunset and I started shaking during a haircut and alcohol from the alcohol and so they let me go home. Obviously that day and I actually opened up the yellow pages to alcoholics anonymous and I found the address and went and so that process from beauty school till that point. I think could have happened. A hundred percent faster than it did in K. Because once I got sober and I got clarity and I was out of the fog. I got power and like I saw things much clearer. I had more motivation. I was like all right and I started reading every self help book that I could get my hands on and I really Once I am telling you once I got that out of my life. It took me two months to manifest my first job that changed my career forever. I WanNa talk about your sorority and I know that you WanNa talk about it. Adds will talking to somebody the other day and he said to me that his sobriety is like his superpower. Yeah like like. That's his secret sauce so to speak. I I like it is I mean because honestly I like to think of sober sexy you know. Summer is sexy and I feel like I do have that secret of like the secret. Power that you're saying it kind of is that and I don't like France about it and I do talk about it in my speeches and quite why do you talk about. Because I'm every single time I get somebody either afterwards or after an DM message how. I helped them Last year in Long Beach at ISS see that was actually my first speaking engagement and there was a woman afterwards and she was like. I have four kids. And I'm kind of you know I've struggled with alcohol and I looked at her and I go. So how much time do you have? She remembers all this. Shouldn't she told me I forgot that I said that I go? How much time do you have she goes? I have today and like that's amazing. And so then she actually. Deanne me when I had this month after SEC. And she was like I wanNa Tell You. I have a year four. I'm like gives me shows a year sober and she had four kids and like if I can share with someone my difficulties and struggles and darkness with alcohol and it's not just alcohol for people drugs it's food it's video games. It's like whatever's keeping you from doing social media. Yeah you know all of that. It's like we all have issues you know and the people that talk about it. Help other people who you know. That's why I talk about it. Is I WANNA help. At least just one person she your. How many years now wow? That's a story. I have five and a half right now. I had five years and ten months so when I got sober when I was thirty. Three or two. I met my husband. He doesn't really drink but my life got so good and we had our baby and things were great. I forgot where I came from and I thought well of course this is alcoholism talking to me and I knew it in my mind but I like I told my husband I go. You know I think okay you know. I think that you know you just like one or two occasionally you know he's like okay. Well Yeah I guess you could always go back to a if you need to or you know and I was like. Yeah so I literally Told my friends in my tribe as I call them what I was going to do like. I'm going over there. I am time five years ten times. I'm okay now I got this under control. I think I was in a bad time. I am going to go do this. And they were like we are here for you. We love you. We will see you soon. What happened was as I really had a hard time. I really tried to keep that under control in. It occupied my mind constantly and quickly. Not Very quickly. I went two years of drinking and then I didn't drink for a year but I didn't go back to the program. I didn't go back to like telling people really and then I drank for a year and then I was like my husband. I love him so dearly. He was like listen. This jaren was not in the brochure. When I married you when you met yes he's like either you get your life back or I'm taking our son and I said I almost was like thank you thank you for. I'm so stubborn and I didn't want to give up like I wanted alcohol to work in my life and for him to say that to me finally was like gas. I can finally give it up right and I don't know most people don't think that way but I do right. I would feel more people think that way than than we would imagine where there are people who have a kind of a life that doesn't really necessarily work for them and they're waiting for somebody else to just be like I'm done with you. Well that and to throw them out a life preserver. Like you know I see you. This isn't working for you and guess what I remember you being a better version of this. That's what your husband said. I remember a better. So it wasn't judging knew he wasn't attacking you like come on. This is a real. Yeah but I mean there was a lot in there because like I would hide my drinking right now. I would prefer you to think I don't drink and actually we got good at the. Yeah Right Oh my God so thank you. So it's it's we're at five and a half now so when I hit six this year. It'll be like the biggest accomplishment of like yes. I did it once. You're in July twentieth writing that down. Because you're going to hear from you minus September the fifteenth otherwise. Oh so how many years you were all clean off of drugs. Eighteen wow with no alcohol in my life two and a half and that you know the alcohol and again I have no problem talking about this. There was no deal but it doesn't have to get bad to wake up one day so you know what there is a better version of me and I don't want to access that I want to be a better DAB WANNA be a better human being. I WanNa sleep better at night. I WANNA have full enter Marnie exactly so it was just. It was just a decision that I needed to make. I was desperate to make that decision but it was a decision needed to make our can. Absolutely you know it's like to see that. I know we didn't yeah exactly because kids do what they see. Mom and dad doing so under the snuggle. We plan to talk about. But I'm glad we are talking about it because it makes you move. You are right. They're not alone and there's plenty of resources for them to go to to get help before we get into your book. I want to talk to you about being a working mom in finding that balance and I I always ask this question especially of women not that men don't also have to struggle with this. Try to figure it out but I always ask women the people that I'm interviewing. Can you have it all the time? The answer yes you can have it all but maybe not all at the same time. Yeah or yes you can but there are some compromises a nurse. Because I think everybody's trying to figure that out. Yeah I don't have balanced by any means. What do you mean by that because mine goes inside looking at you? You're you're healthy. You're you're alive. You're sober you while you're pig and your son and your husband right now to be truthful my family suffering from it because what is it. January and February. I've got three and four shows going so I am then also trying to fit in my speaking engagements and promote the book and then be hearing going on another show. You know it's just like I'm so busy right now but march and April I have off. Okay okay which come back around saying I remember. Take but that's how my business is. It's like in the film industry. Tv industry things like it's all or nothing right and so that's kind of how we live our life it's like between my husband's career 'cause he's commercials so he's like not every day. Monday through Friday. Either and so with both of our schedules. It's like we've got this good balance of like all right. You're going to be around. You're going to be able to do this. You're going to be able to pick twelve and you know like today I'll drive home and I'll pick them up and maybe get dinner on the table. But then I got a call to go to my celebrity clients house to cut his hair. You know so. It's like there's gotta say Yes to these things. Who's Harry tonight rubber? Chevik he shark tank. Yeah he my guy but like some days are family. Sunday's our work. Some days are both but it's it's a day to day thing for me. Does that make sense or Tortola make sense? Have you ever met anybody who was perfectly balanced in every area? Now I never have now and then you know what? That's the myth that you can get so good at what you do that you will one day achieve perfect balance and that equals happiness. And that's just this myth. Because I can do that I can swing the pendulum over to the gym. Where my my diet incredible? My sleep is incredible. I am like strong at the gym. And I'm liking the results in all of a sudden my family's like complaining like your never home. Okay then I swing the pendulum to my family and now my career is suffering somehow people at work or like you know where you go you disappeared then. I swing the pendulum to my career. Now I haven't done volunteer work for a long time so I swing the pendulum over to get some spiritual balance. But that's to me. I look at that like it's an adventure now. But that's what makes life exciting and interesting. It's interesting every day. The same always different which honestly I love it. And if I didn't have all of this in my life I would probably find something else to do would be the best version of yourself as a mom if you completely gave up your career you know. That's funny because my son actually said to me one day a year ago he was like I wish you are stay at home. Mom and I look at my go really when I have my days off. I ride your ass laugh. Egos that's true go. It would be every day. And he's like oh you got to work mom. Yeah and he is like yeah. You're right he's like you're happy working to if you completely gave up the gym because you're super busy with work and being a mom would that improve your role as a mom and a wife now. Okay now right so we do we. Just we do it all. We figure out from one day to the next so I think the best thing is to teach your kids like especially with women. Women have careers and they are super women and we still come home and make sure that there's food in the fridge and laundry and keeping up with everything that men don't tend to think about. Oh by the way. You're supposed to solve everybody else's problems. Don't think about your own because that's very selfish right. Think about everybody else's problems but yeah right so because we're talking about this a little bit So give us a day in life and I mean a particular day but let's look at a a thirty to sixty day period of time a day in the life of Gerald because you said right now January and February are crazy. And you're working three or four shows. Lighten so what shows you working right now. Okay while January. We had the voice song land started up as well. I Have Disney fan jam. The Dan show for kids that just ended this past weekend and then I have celebrity. Family feud next weekend per couple of weekends so the voice farmlands is. Are these shows taping the same day sometimes? So what does that? Okay so I have a team around me. I hire my team. They are amazing. Denying kind of we have a lot of de battling tonight. We sort of have some of the same people floating throughout our shows because our shows don't always shoot at the same time and so my team there was a day. I had the voice shooting Song Lan and Disney fan jam three those in one day. Yes so when that happens. I am actually onset of whoever needs me the most which would be usually for this particular day. It was the voice. Okay so the voice needs you that day. So you have your incredible team that and we'll talk about how you got that team what you're looking for. What works for you. What does not work for you? But you have this team that you trust. Hey I'm at the voice today. That's where I'm most needed you or handling song. Land you are handling this other show. I pretty much handle everything up until the point of doing hair. Okay so the voice where you on the voice like the knockout day which is a big stage day. I did do some hair but I also design and the looks and and hand you know if we're putting hair extensions in I have that available. I have all the supplies could justice. Yeah you know with Song Land. That's pretty much just normal everyday hair. It songwriters presenting their songs to producers and guess recording artists so which is very very love it sucked into so. That's just normal everyday hair so that's pretty easy and my team has back. I know they do great work. I know that they're professional. They'll be there for touch-ups that I can count on them to be me. So that's what forms my team is when people can live up to my expectations which is just beyond time be professional. Be Respectful and do your job. Also the beyond time really. That's important. Yeah beyond time. Be Respectful be professional and do their jobs. Okay so what? What is your your that department head? Yes you're seeing the department head for hair only yes okay. Yes the department head for makeup now. A local seven six union you are either hair or makeup or not both So since I have a cosmetology license and I love hair I opted to go for hair. I actually was on a show a long time ago in when I I if flipped union and I was a makeup artist but I didn't want to be a makeup artist in the union. Lucre hairstylists can work every day of their lives which is true whereas makeup artists. Tougher gig young word. There's so much work but there's so many of them for us we actually meet hairstylists in our union. Interesting issue the department head so when a show like that hires you. They're hiring Gerald. You're the department head trusting okay. Gerald is not here today and they're okay with that because they know that you sent your team. Yes okay. How would on for question? How would a team member screw that up for you there late? They're not professional honestly and not being respectful to others up three times. What do you mean by? I think that everybody needs to be respectful to one another whether it's a production assistant which is the lowest level or it's the director. I've found being in this business for many years. That a lot of the production assistance I've worked with in the years are now my producers. Okay so it's like you must be respectful because you are paving way for future as well and so somebody that was the lowest yes over. Fifteen years fifty years ago can now is the producers of the show but you are nice and respectful to them fifteen years ago. Oh it's Jalen again. I worked with her fifteen years ago when I was a nobody in the industry. She was respectful. Let's give her the GIG. Well the fortunate thing is like with the voice. I've been on nine years shark tank ten years so like these are people that I have been around for years and years which is really unusual and seeing people blossom in their careers. So what are they hire you? Well obviously you're hairdresser. That's a given you know. I actually started out on the voice. I think people need to know this. I didn't just start out as a head hairstylist. I started out in the business as just a hairstyle is that everybody hires a day player and I come and go and and then I got recommended to the voice to Sean Fench. Who was the department head? At the time I season and so I was a hairstylist. To him and then by season three became the key. 'cause at the time we didn't have a key because it was a different kind of show like people didn't really unders is a long time ago so we didn't have a key then. They decided the show needed a key. Hairstylist which is second in charge to the department head. I became that person by season. Nine he left. I got the position as department head and then I Made Megan Harare Schaaf my key and and so at that point. Now I'm known as the department head then what happened was somebody referred me to the AMA's to department had the AMA's as which scared the crap Outta me. I was like video music. Awards so MTV's video music awards. So I got that job and hired my team. Which is the same team. I used on the voice and so from that a producer went onto lip sync battle and then he hired me for lip sync battle. And then that's how it rolls it's like all of a sudden now. I am department heading show after show after show because the producer liked what I did whatever that was maybe it was. They didn't hear anything from me right and I just did my job and we left because a lot of times people wanna be able to work with you entrust you and not have if you wear hearing things from producers a lot of back and forth of like change this change. That means that something's not being communicated right like you're not delivering. What is expected sometimes? There's too many cooks in the kitchen. You GotTA learn how to handle that. Some people don't WanNa talk to the producers. They would rather be under me. Does you know some people. Don't WanNa be department heads. They just want to come into Herron Lee road. So that's Kinda how rolled got it? So why did you decide to do more hair rather than pursue a career? Mika well when I had the you know when I was in the freelance world I was doing both. Because that's a double header to me to be able to do. Both people like to hire one person to do hair and makeup and I loved both equally. I got hired on. Tv show called the swine. It was a reality show makeover show. You're like did raise raise. It was scary to me. I was a makeup artist on that. So what happened was that show turned union and I was a makeup artist so then I really had to sit in think and I went and talked to the Union and the president at the time. She was like wait. You have a hair license to and I was like yeah. She's like you don't want to join the makeup union. I was like why and she's like because there's so many makeup artists. There's like double makeup artist to hairstylists. And if you WANNA work the rest of your life do hair so I went and talked to other friends hair and makeup people and I really decided that for my purpose I wanted to do hair so not that I didn't love either one differently or but now I absolutely love hair way more like I don't even WanNa do make up anymore unless it's men's grooming okay. Was that a hint. You WanNa you WanNa fix meets of everyone. Now Really WanNa do men's grooming today on you the strict to your your book and the thing I love about this is we could completely escape and leave the world of hair an entertainment because this book is applicable to everybody listening to this. I honestly talk about the five efforts all day. Congratulations so I mean. I love the the title. The the five F words to manifest in your life. Yeah yeah that came up because in twenty eighteen the very beginning. I was at a place in my career where I was like. What more can I do? Because you know we always are constantly trying to grow in our careers and so I was at this point. I'm department heading all these shows. My life has become way more amazing that I have ever anticipated and I was like. I just started praying and I was like ask the universe. I'm like let me be your vessel. I have no idea what it is but I WANNA be your vessel into. Show me the way. So that's how that started and things just started rolling and then it was like my friend asked me. She's like why is it? Everything you say happens and I'm like well. It doesn't always happen that way but I can. I literally have to be careful if I think things say things like. I know that the universe is starting to make it happen so I then that works both in a positive way and not supplies right like I looked at the story of Front. Who complained about her job all the time and one day she got fired and she thought that was just horrific. I'm like what do you mean you manifested as you made this happen? You hated that job. So the universe stepped in and said okay. We'll take this away from you. She was so upset about that. So are you can't put that out there and think that it's not gonNA come true at so true. Our words are so powerful so powerful but when I had I got sober. I still read a book called. Excuse me your life is waiting which resonated with me and that talked about manifesting and at the time this was before the secret even came out I was like. Why aren't people talking about this? Like what do you mean and so I started testing little things and like I said I got my first job. That changed my career within two months of consciously manifesting. The thing is is like we're always manifesting right but when you put conscious intention into things it happens very quickly and can I ask you. How do you manifest you like cut photos out of a magazine? Glue them to a Dream Board. Are there positive affirmations in words on your bathroom near you chant and have mantras and do meditation like? How do you manifest okay? I on a daily basis will write down three things that I want to have happened in the present tense against an example I am a global empowerment speaker and author who I am debt. Free Free Free Today. I have a couple backyard. Blown is solar panel loans. Those two things. I WANNA pay off quickly. Debt-free I am debt free. We tell the truth in advance. Yes it's putting it into present tense because if you is an important because if you say I am going or I will. It will always be that. It'll keep it in the in the future to manifest you if you want it to happen quickly. Eight put whatever you want into present tense now so I write three things every day and sometimes different because it could be for the day right and then I write an affirmation in that is an. Im and then at the end of the three things grateful. Okay so I have a journal okay. Three things in the present and affirmation and three things that I'm grateful for why the gratitude gratitude will change your life. You know if you can be grateful. It's hard to be grateful when and being fear at the same time. Did you used to do the positive affirmations. I am debt free. I am healthy. I am rich in the without the gratitude lift. Now I've always done guided Grad. These actually the IAMS in the president like the goals in the present that is newer to me in the last couple years of that year and a half two years pretty much since I started being on this mission. I've always done ten gratitude 's in my car on my way to work. I'm always thinking about my gratitude and I have a prayer that I do and a mantra in the car a lot of times because I've got a forty five minute drive but in the morning of doing those but at the end of the night I love to write three things that were amazing. That happened. Okay and then one thing I could have done differently interested. I think the one thing I could have done differently is really important because we all make mistakes and it's like I should not have yelled at my son the way I did or reacted a certain way. You know so. It just makes us conscious of our behavior this load of discipline to do all of those things that you're talking about. It's pretty easy when you get into the habit and right so it's habit and also I don't do this every day but I truly love meditation and if I can do it for at least tell Mike classes when I speak to them at least five minutes. That's all it takes like for you to get quiet. And if you are counting your breaths because it's hard to shut off our minds and if you're counting your breath and counting one two three one discounting it's hard for your mind to wander like. Oh I gotta go make dinner. Oh what am I going to you know? And it's like Oh if that starts to happen back to the count and just get in tune with your body and then when your mind finally gets it will start shutting off and not thinking and then I love a laser beam. I talk about this in the book to a laser beam going for my belly through the top of my head to the universe of like. I don't know what I need right now. But bring it any. Bail this jolt through the laser beam coming in and I'm like thank you elected. You should what you're repeating your mantra is. I don't know what I need right now. I think that's an important prayer or an important message or important To put out there because we think that we know what we want. Yeah were given our shopping list to the University of like a BMW police right while in the book. The first thing you do is figure out what you want this kind of good segue actually but figuring out what you want can be really challenging and the trump into this them so the first F. is figure it out yet to figure it out figure out what you want exactly and sometimes the easiest way to figure it out is to figure out what you don't want you know if you I wanNA be a Hollywood hair. Stylist will what is that. I WANNA be a television film. Hollywood hair stylists. I know I don't want to work in print an agency and I don't want to travel a lot. I WanNa be home so these are things like if you know what you don't want to do it helps you narrow down what you actually want revised now because when you look at the big picture it's overwhelming you know but if you owe. I WANNA have a perfect schedule for my family. You say dream big or don't bother. Yeah that came to me in my early sobriety because dream beg was kind of a word and still is and I don't know what it was was just like it came to me. It was just like you know what dream beggar. Don't bother because I didn't feel I was worthy of these big dreams for a long time like I kept telling myself that's what I wanted but I was like almost doubting it that it could be possible and so it just one day just like dream bigger. Don't bother announce at the bottom of all my emails and it has been for years. Yeah I mean why not? What else about the I F figure it out. Well you must be specific and figuring out what. You want for instance. I was like fine law of attraction. Manifesting I'm GonNa test you know what I'd like myself husband so you know. I wrote down what I wanted and I was like you know what? How about. Just throw in rich as well. You know because why not and I ended up getting a guy named bridge and I was so I was like I see okay so I need to write down. Ambitious loves his career makes over six. Digits got more specific. What rich meant. Yeah your poor husband any funding the APP chart the second f focus and you say where focused goes energy flows. Yeah it's so true. It's like you know those people that are always focusing on the what apps the bad stuff that can happen And and and so. Those things start to happen. They're like see I told you. I also liked to demonstrate In the classes I take my necklace off and I show if you focus my necklace I can make my necklace move like a pendulum with just my mind focusing on it and where I wanted to go I know it sounds Great Dorsey new but it's true it's like our minds are so powerful and I don't think people really get it and it's just like riding a bike you focus on. I don't WanNa hit that corner. I don't WANNA HIT THAT CORNER. And what do you do? You hit the coroner ray so where you're focused. You're driving down the road and you're looking at the accident on the side of the road and your focus is now veering over there and sold your car. So these are things where you're focusing is where your energy's GonNa flow so if you want to focus on the target where you WanNa be you know when you have clarity with that focused. That's where you're going to go and you're going to go fast. Remember Mentor many years ago. Telling me that worry is negative goal setting thinking about the bad things that could happen manifesting that as well coughing you have to work on this yourself. Help to remind yourself of the stuff that you're out there now preaching and Writing Aquino I think about it. It comes up like okay. I when I was writing the book the summer it was like everything was flowing. I had a deadline on the book. Everything happened so quickly I was really in it and then it's like you know there's Times where I'm like. I need to live my own. F words what am I doing right now where I just had that thought like this is not what I teach. This is not what we do right and so like it doesn't come up a lot because I'm I've been practicing manifestation for sixteen years. Do teach this to your son. Yes so tell us stories about him. Implementing this information how he applied us. We actually had a couple years ago now. He's twelve so I'm telling you you can teach this at any age. He was nine and he's a big baseball guy. Big Home Run hitter. He at the time I hit a home run and it was like. Oh my God. This is crazy. Then he hit another one and then at that point I said to him because we do a lot of the attitudes and things like that at the end of the night but I said to him I go. Let's make a goal. How many home runs do you WanNa hit this season? He thought about it I was like what's he gonNA say seven in my head. I'm literally thinking. Are you kidding me right now seven? That's a lot and I was like okay. Great so I had him visualizing hitting home runs. I had him talking about it. We got harmed before he went to the game. We have music that we play on the way there and saw mindset that kid on the last game hit his seventh home run. It was insane. I was just like an at that. Point said to Michael. Do you get it? He's like yes I do. So here's what happened. The next season he was hitting bloopers like puddle booklet. And I was like what's going dude like. Let's talk about this. And we figured out. He was focusing on the home. Run and not the ball so the minute he started focusing in on the ball rather than looking over the fence he started hitting again so focus. Your focused goes and flows. Yeah and so then. There's another example. I love kids so when he gets I actually spoke to his sixth and seventh grade class too but like talk road but it was so magical and they wrote me letters and they got it and it just made me cry because I was like God they get it like we need to get these kids young and he had. He started middle school in August and he was like freaked out. He's disorganized. He felt stupid. He's telling me all these things and because he does not used to like having to go to his locker and take things you know switching classes and all that and I was like all right. Well let's get you organized. Got All organized with this binder and classes. And he's like. I'm carrying my backpack to every single class and okay. Now I want you to say. I am smart organized and focused for two weeks getting out of the car at first like it. Because I'm smart organized focus I go okay. Bye and he he he was. I'm smart organized and focus. Two weeks later. He looked at me he goes mom. I M smart organized and focused and I mean it and at that point I was like yes. These kids can get it so when I was asked to come speak at. I spoke to three different classes. It was amazing. Well Yeah you mall. Yeah the third fear fearless action and you say co creating with the universe. Yeah I mean action is telling the university really wanted and fear is what makes us not do it and gives us excuses. tells us where too busy or we don't deserve it so fear. I put fearless not only because I was like oh I need five f word but it was just made so it was like the universe was telling me like yes. You need to talk about fearless being fearless and so yeah fearless action because action is. What catapults us? What ARE THE PEOPLE USA? The knowledge equals power Somebody's announce the knowledge. It's it's the action that equals the power lot of very smart people that never take that stuff that's traction behind it. It's true I mean why not both but yeah action is telling the universe you're serious 'cause you know you could sit there and meditation all you want but there's no action behind it. So what what are the things that still bring fear for you because I feel like every year I tackle something very fearful that makes me feel so good the first while this year as obviously it's like I actually am not sure yet is the book and everything but last year was the speaking being on a stage in front of people? Because that's not what I do. I like to work behind the cameras. Fear Public Speaking possessor you. Yes Oh honestly dead. So what did I do? I hired a speaking coach and someone to help me with a powerpoint presentation exception. I took action because I know through all of my education I've had with PODCASTS. And other mentors that if I want to be the best I got hire the best right so I had someone help me with that. And so through. Experience have gotten a lot better. I was just telling you yesterday was so great and I felt like really comfortable on stage. So last year was about conquering that fear. The Year before was surfing with my son you sharks and the Pacific Ocean Freak me out but I felt like I had to do it like it was something I needed to do for myself. And for the experience with him The year before was I bought a harley my husband I used to ride on his Harley and we always said when he like. It's big enough. He could ride with my husband and are and so it was like. I'm a problem solver so I'm like how am I going to do this and I was like? I need to buy my own bike and so I bought my own bike and got lessons and did all of the action to you know be and by the way if I had listened to every single person that told me I was too old too dangerous that I shouldn't do it and listen to their fear. I wouldn't have done it so I love to like take something once a year of like. Oh yeah that's my fear it I'm GonNa cut right through it and do it you number four. Feel it tap into your power to manifest. I love this one. Feel it feel it already existing like you already have it like when I think back to when I wanted to become a Hollywood hair stylist I would feel it already. Existing my life like I am a Hollywood hair stylist and I still get this crazy smile on my face like I really am but it was like I remember those feelings of that. It's like falling in love for the First Time. Or you know when you fall in love you get the little butterflies excited. You're glowing. It's like that's what I tell people. I want you to feel that for your goal for your dream you know. And so it's kind of like turning on a light switch being gonNA feel it. I like to feel it kind of a couple times a day right now. It's about me helping others. And empowering others and what that feels like you know when I get the DM's or the emails or people telling me that. I changed their life. Or I help them so much. You know that feeling that I get of helping. Someone is so beautiful. So that's feeling it feeling it existing already number five is faith knowing and believing. Yeah faith faith in yourself faith in the universe and the energy faith that it will happen. Don't have that self doubt you were worthy. I liked to talk about faith last because I actually had a problem with faith when I first got sober I was never brought up religious or anything and I didn't believe in a god so I had a really hard time with that and so I like to tell people that faith is about believing in yourself and the energy that surround you for me. It's a higher power. It's God it's university everything you know so just know that it will happen and forget about the outcome of how it will happen. Just keep your eye the target. So what did you say that you had a a problem without make because you were raised that way beyond some negative connotation to a religion or harder I lay out for you why was not really raised with a religion but my dad's side of the family's Catholic and so it was just a rule person and I had a hard time believing a lot of this stuff and my mother-in-law I love her to death? She is very religious and I told her. I said she loves me for me and my spirituality and I love her for her and I said to her I go if Jesus Christ standing up there in heaven when I arrive. I'm going to be like Oh my God you exist. Thank you so much you know. I know he'll take me in. If this is what really is to be then great but for me. It's about energy and the love in being kind to people in so your definition of faith or spirituality would be believing that the universe will take care of you and trust in knowing that you're not alone. How much does that need? You said you talk about this one last why because I don't want to shut somebody off from hearing me because I think some people get shut off by the word faith because they feel it's religious guilty and I never WANNA turn up but it doesn't have to right and if some if God and Jesus and Buddha and whatever your religion is yes right yes. That's your faith but somebody who doesn't believe in anything. I want them to believe that. There is something and energy that this message. You have a figure it out. Focus fearless action. Feel at all of that still plays in your life. Yeah but it doesn't always have to be connected to a religion right the it's not connected toil religion for me. So what's your hope with spoke? Honestly I wrote it under one hundred pages super easy to read. It's like an hour of empowerment for people. I did not write it because I'm like oh I want to write a book. It was literally after speaking to different schools and Harish at hair shows. People started asking me. Do you have a book and I was like no and then me knowing universe after the third time I was thank. You have a book your life. I guess that was the fifth time I was like. I gotTA write a book. You did it five times three. Well still is okay. I guess if you really want me to tell me more and so I thought okay. If I'm going to write a book it needs to be quick easy to understand no fool words and so that you can pick it up. Read it and be done like La to New York Flight. Type thing right the best book. I ever read. That was quick. That was Deepak Chopra's seven spiritual Lonzo success and that was an hour of empowerment. And so I think with our busy times and people not really doing a lot of reading. I think people are doing audio and things like that. This is a perfect rate. Ns plus. I like this as paperback. Because I have little note pages I also have. I think it's more of a like workbook type thing like you might want to open up. I have little life hacks and I feel like if you need to realize I should read up on faith again right now and just remind yourself and that kind of book. What was the process for? You like of writing this book. Because I've felt that I'm writing. My book was something even if I never published it even if nobody ever read one word of it that process of writing down what I believe what I stand for was just so profound for me to experience while really helped me with my speaking and being able to know like how to express myself more. 'cause like I said it was it's scary and it's hard to public speak so by writing. The book really helped me through that in the book was super easy to write. Because it's what I want to talk about so you have said don't be lobster. What does that mean down? I heard speaking on now. I can't remember the story. Don't feel with that. Is You got to be careful with who you share your big dreams with okay because not everybody wants you to succeed. And so- lobsters if you put two lobsters in a basket. You don't have to put a lid on a basket. If one mobster starts to climb out the other lobsters going to Yank it back in. Okay so don't be friends with the LOBSTER YOU WANNA lobster to help you lift you up. You know you're so that's true you don't if you have lobsters and if you don't have to put onto in but I've heard now that my books gotten out there is female lobsters which is very bizarre and they're the ones that will drag you down which. I don't like to talk about that because I like to think of. Women is empowering each focus. Pets lobsters go. Yeah put to lobsters in a basket. You don't have to put a lid on it because the other one will drag the other one back in. It's it's funny right. It's funny you talk about the importance of finding your tribe. My tribe my tribe are my girls that know everything about me you know. We set a large circle. Or is that a seltzer. It's five of US Alka. These are my sober girlfriends and they are the ones that I I told I was going to go out drinking again. They are the ones that are still bears still but throughout my drinking too. It's like we stayed in touch like we love each other for like no matter. What and these women are the women that I would do anything for their my tribe. And how do you not saying this? Exactly I don't mean this exactly home saying how. Do you use your tribe. How does your your tribe play in this crazy life that you have of being a working mom and yeah life and everything? How does that tried fitted with my relationship with them there? My girlfriends we can talk about anything and then like you know. There's a better marriage because you have this tribe on the side. Yeah it's you know because we all can talk about different things that are happening in our marriages in with kids. It's funny because we all met each other single and then we had marriage and babies all at the same time too so like but one of my friend. She has two kids that are a little bit older than all of ours and she was married for so she was sort of my mentor. Right and so yeah. We just help each other like we know we can trust each other to not go outside and share other things about what we've shared. These are people that I can trust. I hate to say this. They know where the bodies are buried. But because the it's not true there's nobody still but like they know everything that I can trust that the it's a secret with an do you guys have like wolves now. Do you have guidelines of things that you live binder that keep you close to keep the trust intact? I think that just comedy everybody. I think admitted it or not. People are looking for a tribe. Everybody needs needs a tribe and they keep on blowing it like God would have been a great person for my tribe and I blew it. I think with our twelve step programs that we're in. I think that the anonymity that that brings into our lives also came into our personal lives works as the tribe. Yes we have something special. We have a bond that is a we didn't have to discuss like. Oh don't share this with anybody. It's just known because of the anonymity that we have among each other. Roy opted the twelve steps from sobriety. And that works really. Well you know honestly for your tribe intact I will say if someone can find any sort of twelve step program. It can only better their lives. You don't you don't have to be struggling with drugs or alcohol to find value in a twelve step program. Yeah Yeah I've had people come in are gone into Alanon or something they're like. Oh my God. Everybody should know about this secret. You like Yup. It's out there. There's books I for for years. Thought that might try was supposed to be massive. Was supposed to be you know. Hundreds of people were maybe even just thirty you know and so all thirty of us are going to go on vacation but each other every single year and I would take thirty people with me on vacation and all thirty of these people I need to get on the phone with them and tell them what has happened all thirty. These people need to give me advice when this is going on. That's crazy making right but I think that we can have those groups to right but I think that that's not what you're talking now small. Yeah I think it's quality over quantity for sure. This is great. I'm just so enamored by you as a person in this. You know sincere passion that you honestly I feel like let's talk about marriage for a second my husband and I because I think that you know in the world of divorce and it's just so common I feel like with our relationships. My husband and I at two years of marriage decided that we needed to protect our marriage. So what that meant was if you're in a situation which we all know can come up that you may not tell the other person because you shouldn't probably be around it or doing right that you walk away okay which means because we work in the business and we may travel sometimes and people like to say what happens on location stays on location that kind of thing and it's like that is not what we're about. We always had the intention of protecting our relationship. That means that if it makes me like. Oh this is probably not a good thing for me to tell Danny better walk away so you have to have intention and your relationship if you want it to last. I mean I definitely want to work on our relationship more after thirteen years. It's like I listen to this podcast. This morning I'm like I'm sending you this podcast. It's amazing it's like. Oh my God. Let's talk about it afterwards. Because it's like talking about putting the three keys into your relationships you know takes work. You know it just happen because we get complacent were rambling that focus too right or it's ram like a business right right because we are like on. Yes it's actually Tony Robbins podcast. It's beautiful yeah so I just I'm like I can't wait till this. I'm going to listen to it again on my way home but putting intention into our relationships over that that's what you want to end on. Yeah your marriage. Marriage and family in love is what it all comes down and health right so thank you thank you. This is again wonderful. I'm just so proud of you. You have a final message for our listeners. I just you know why we all deserve to have anything and B. Whoever we want to be in like just love each other and be respectful to one another and be positive in grateful. Your Life Will Change. If you have those things like an add. Nothing so much for having me your shirt toy only.

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I feel like it's been a little messy and just knowing that big rig candidate seven is like three weeks away has me really excited for that. So we started for for the finale here tonight. Yes, we are here on the morning of February thirteenth the night of the season. Finale, and there's actually does still some stuff. We've got update you on. So we will talk about everything that happened yesterday on the big brother celebrity to live feeds, and then I guess slight spoiler still not exactly a hundred percent on who's going to be leaving tonight. Before the final four. So we are in fact going to go over the final three people in the game. I Dina then tame taymor and candy. So we're gonna go over there games. Luckily, luckily, candy and Dana in particular, less to talk about and really when we're talking about strategic drivers it was mostly Natalie. Secondly, Ricky, and and so there's a little bit less to talk about with with these three. I think it's fair to released even if I mean, I do think it's a little bit more like maybe less up in the air. But who's going home? I think they kind of cleared it up last night, obviously, it's still change. But I think it's still fair to talk about all of these final players. They've been here for for twenty nine days now and all of them have different aspects of their game that that literally like you said you guys said last night any of them could win if things fall into the right place tonight. So yes worth talking about. All right. So let's talk about what happened yesterday. Obviously low load does not use the veto so Dina and candy remain on the block Lolo is going to talk with Dina and DNA is going to say, hey, taymor and candy are working together. They will definitely. Take each other in just so, you know. And Lola's like why don't you tell me before the veto? I would've used the veto. That's always thinking about it like. And do you know? Oh, no. This is really a day of two people campaigning back and forth. Dina and candy. It's a battle between the two of them and Dina is going to take the first strike here. And it's going to be a good one. She also tells her about how taymor and Ricky we're trying to get her a victory over Natalie. That's what Tom was trying to tell her all along. She was like, I can't believe it. She says, look, I will take you to the final two. I've always said I want the person who needs it the most to be there in the end to win the game. So I would take you because I know that you need it the most I would also vote for you in the end Lolo. I would totally vote. I mean, really you would thinking about it. Right. You would definitely lose to tame. Are you would definitely beat Ricky? So you should take Ricky. Did you know is this is happening over the course of a conversation where dean is being Dina still don't know exactly what she's talking about with why she's telling her that she can beat Ricky. If that's a thing that she shouldn't be saying because she wants to take her. But I guess she knows that's not going to happen or she's just Dina. And so. Whoa. Really ricky. You think I can be Ricky? I was kind of thinking I couldn't be Ricky and Dina's like, no. You can definitely be Ricky believe me. She's like, okay. Okay. So she goes, okay. I like a lot of what you're saying. I need you to go talk to Ricky see what he thinks about all of this. So DNA I first strike, and it's it's pretty successful here. Lo-lose feeling pretty good about this. Well, here's my thing. I feel like this is not only is Dina trying to get into the game way too. Little too late. Like this like we are on the second to last day of the season her her life in the game is completely on the line. And she has not had game conversations with pretty much anybody. But candy the entire season washing machine just exploded or something. Sorry. Whole game. So that game talked with there's some loud noises out there. But I think also something that is helping Dina in this circumstances. The fact that Lolo as the season has gone on especially in these last few days is just like getting progressively worse. As a big brother player, I think without Natalie her strategic game that that might have existed has just completely gone off. The like there's nothing left. She's just completely becoming somebody who if she was on like big brother nineteen Paul would have had her as putting his hands. Like, he she is she sold multiple to anything that anybody comes at her with as seeing yesterday with this conversation with DNA later on with you know, just to any plan that that rookie comes to her with. She's she's happy to go along with its, you know, she has an idea in her head of what she wants to do. But anybody could tell her anything and she's like, yeah. You know, you're making a good point. So just there's a low low. Oh, watch across the whole day. So she talks with Dina. And now she's fully on board team Dina. She believes everything Dina told her. She's feeling. Okay. You go talk to Ricky Dina goes and talks to Ricki and Dina tells Ricky, hey, taymor and candy are working together. They're definitely going to take each other to the end she gives you the whole the same pitch and Ricky though is Ricky and Dina is deana. And so the two of them together in a conversation just goes nowhere where Ricky's like, well, why do you feel that way? I mean, like, of course, of course, can't he's going to do things. Of course, taymor is going to do things. What's the point of what you're saying? I mean, Ricky's honestly, like us watching Dina try to talk game because he's trying not to laugh at her. But it's laughable everything because she hasn't talked to him at all the entire season. She hasn't talked game with him at all in these past few days. She's been really powder. She's been passive aggressive. Not really talking to anybody. She's been saying bad things about Ricky for the past few days, and he's not stupid. He realizes that. You know, that this is a very obvious last minute. Ditch dean is not good at talking to talking about. At the game at all. So he's just like, what are you? What are you even trying to say right now? Like, what are you getting what are you trying to like what you what's your angle here? I don't understand what you're trying to say. None of it's making sense. Yes. Like, I said basically goes nowhere. But the point is should she did get across to him. Hey, KMart and candy are a lot closer than you think I've talked with candy a long time. I know how close how closely they they're working together. So in the meantime, low is talking with candy now, it's candies turn to try and sway low low here, they go to the memory wall and their their counting out jury votes. And candy is trying to explain what she was trying to tell her earlier when Lolo got mad at candy for saying that little could win the game. And that candy wouldn't take her to the end. She saying, no, no, no, that's not what I was saying. Look what I was saying was I do think you have a good chance to beat me. You have these votes in this you have this person and this person and this person. And I think that my best chance is against you a Ricky because I know I can't be tamed mar Lola's like, well, I'm hearing from Dina that you are going to take. Tame are that you have a secret deal. And can is like what's no that Dina? I can't believe she would say that stuff. That's not true. I can't beat taymor. I know I can't be tamed. Mar I know I might have a chance against you to Ricky or Lolo. So I have to take one of you. And I still think that you guys can probably beat me. But you know, that's that's just the way it goes. And Lola's like, you know, I hadn't really thought about that. I hadn't really thought about how I have if I'm against you. Then I've got Ricky. I've got. Got natalie. I can maybe I probably could beat you. I'm starting to come around to this. And I didn't know you're also rich, and I'm not I need the money. So that that means a lot to people, and I can probably beat you in that regard. So yeah, okay. I'm starting. I'm starting to buy this in it's like candy with with the comeback blow the counter, she's got low. Okay. Lolo watch Lolo is now on team candy. And I don't mean to diminish candy or DNA or anybody. But like like, I just was saying before having low be the person that these people are talking to is making their jobs infinitely easier because she's just completely falling for everything that anyone is saying to her at this point. And it's so sad to watch like any halfway decent player would have taken the information that candy gave her which was about tame are saying, I don't think I can be tamer. I think that if tamers on the jury I can probably get her vote, and that's kind of what I want right now. And what have taken that information knowing that Lolo wanted candy to go gone to tame taymor and said taymor. Listen to all of this stuff. Candy just told me we really should get her out it benefits both of us. But instead she spends the rest of her day until later on saying, all right? Well, I guess it makes sense to candy know, all the all the candies points made sense and my teammates want candy to go. So it's just really not a good look for Lolo continued continued year. Yes. So then vote says to candy you should go talk to reconsider Icke things about all this. Defaults. Go talk to Ricky. And now that you've talked to me go talk to Ricky. So candy goes, and she talks to Ricki, and she starts to give Ricky the same pitch. She just gave to Lolo about how hey if you're against me. You have your locked in roommate votes. That's great for you. I definitely don't have a deal with taymor. I know I can't beat Tamar and Ricky's like, okay. So who are you gonna take off the I think I have the best shot against you or low low? And he's like, yeah. Yeah. Between the two of us who would it be? She's I I mean. Who would it be? Who would it be? Maybe it'd be it'd be it'd be Ricky. That's I would take you force it out of her. I probably have a better shot against you Ricky, and he's like, okay. And she's so she starts to go over. So I just want to give you my final. Plea initially starts to go over the votes. Why she thinks that she can she again, the same sort of pitch that she gave little Ricky's just not having look. Oh, look before you, even I I don't care about the votes. I'm more about like rewarding. You know, the people that have been with me, and I'm a healer and all of this stuff. And it's like candy is just not really getting through to him. But he does say look if I if I broke the tie to keep you would you take me to the to the final two and she says, yes, it's like, okay. So that's that's the they basically ended there. And they'll say also that I think I was noticing as the day went on. It seemed like Ricky was really starting to have his gears start turning in the idea that he was considering. You know, changing his mind about who he should send home here. And I think that he probably during this conversation was already on board with the whole. I think I'm changing my mind about candy to go. So I think he was like still holding out the possibility that that can't he's going to be the one that stays. So of course, he's trying to secure this deal. But I think it's really like, I don't know if it's if it's been like the past few days that he's been thinking about it or or just some time during this day that he changed his mind. But I I have a theory myself. I think right now, I think right now that Ricky is on board with keeping the key knows the taymor wants to keep candy. And at this point, he's thinking Lolo might wanna keep candy to. And so he's he's like, you know, even if it doesn't want to keep candy keeping candy seems like what it's been what he's been thinking. He wants to do for awhile. I think he's going to here. But I think that. He's a little put off in this conversation by the contrast between Dina's pitch and candies pitch. And how ridiculous can Dino was in comparison to how rational candy was. And I think he's a little put off by how rational candy was. But he's still planning on keeping candy. He's just a little thrown off. I think a little bit like, wait a minute. And also DNA just told me that candy entame tame are really working together. If they are that's kind of dangerous. I don't like that. I'm supposed to have a final deal with Tamar. But if candies in the mix, maybe I don't like the candy's denying that she has this deal with taymor. Because I don't know if I believe that entirely. So I think that he's starting to think about this. But but at the moment he's still on team. Keep candy. I think is heart has always wanted to keep candy. I think that's what led him into this spot in the first place of saying I want candy to stay there. I feel like they've been thinking about it in a way that like as if they're still a week left in the game. Like we want candy here. We want to send out there. Both jury threats. So let's get. Let's keep in the person that we like more. I don't know. But I feel like this conversation like he was looking for any reasons that he could find to convince himself that he's making the right decision and keeping candy. But the conversation really just didn't go exactly how it didn't. Go ideal for candy because it didn't leave him feeling the most comfortable. Yeah. So here's my theory. I think that the next conversation he has tame mar and he talked with him about how we're so good about final two. Right. And I think that he's thinking about this. Because again, he just was told from DNA told him. Hey, candy and Dina or candy and taymor closer than you think. They are going to take each other followed by candy. Oh, I can't be taymor. That's no way. I can't be taymor. I'm definitely not working with her. And then he talks to taymor. He's like, so we're good on the final thing. Right. You know, Dina's saying things about how you're working with candy and came response is oh, no candy wouldn't take me who would take you. She knows. She can't beat me. She thinks she can beat you. And I think this is what clicked in Ricky's mind. He was like that is almost word for word. What candy just told me that suspicious? I think this is what makes him go. Hold on. I don't like this. I think maybe candy entame are are working together. Still, and I can't have that especially if candy is more likely to win the final HOA j-. They'd just it was to smooth. It was too rehearsed. And I think that when Deena came up to him with all of her messes. He was just like this is laughable. There's no like she doesn't have any deals with anyone. This is a lot easier to deal with. I know what I'm getting here and this team. Our candy connection is a little too scary. So I think that in this moment, he goes he starts. To change his mind about wanting to keep candy, exactly. And and I always felt like this might be the day. Like if there was an instance where it's back to evicting candy. It would have been in these final hours of today. Because like I said everyone is thinking in terms of who are we going to keep? But it's once they snap into it and realize we're only keeping this person to compete against in one final competition on finale night. The only reason that we're keeping this person in the game is because we should have easier chance of beating them essentially, it just has always made more sense that DNA is the one that they kept. So I felt like they they could have come to this. But it would have always had to be Ricky to come to this because taymor obviously wasn't going to start this discussion of let's candy. That's not what she wants. And Lolo is not smart enough at this point to have any kind of strategic thoughts like that. So it was going to be Ricky if anything, and you know, unfortunately for the candy canes out there. This is what happened. So low low is going to join them in this conversation. They talk some more about candy and mart continues to talk about. How candy wouldn't take her to the end and in all of this? And so then they talk about DNA and Lola's telling them what Dino's saying, you know, both taymor and Ricky are kind of denying it like, oh, we weren't trying to get you know, you out over Natalie, and like oh Dina's lying about this stuff and tamers like really jumping on this DNA. She so messy. I can't believe she's lying to us like that and Ricky Ricky and Lillard both like she's trying whatever. Timor's thing. She just you know, she can this is the way her game works just as trying to make it seem like Dina's this like crazy mastermind stirring, the pot Tom green style out there. But it's so right. He's trying. It's it's, you know, you're not gonna you're not gonna you're not gonna make DNA out to be some strategic mastermind and Ricky again points out like. It was funny talking to her. I it was like it was ridiculous. And so they sort of the end that conversation Lolo is going to talk with an again like taymor just keeps saying she doesn't care who leaves. And then right after saying, but Dina we don't want her to I like, that's I mean, I don't care, but you know, Dina socks, and we shouldn't beat all of us. And I think again like Ricky's really seeing that taymor is fighting for candy to say, especially after she just told him that she knows that candy won't take her to the final two candy told him that she wouldn't take her to the final two. I think I think Ricky is like, okay, I'm starting to see through this a little bit so Lolo talks detail mar and asks her again, hey, do you have a deal with Ricky do deal with Ricky Tamar because I feel like you might have. Rickie table. Oh, no. Of course. Not. I don't have a deal. I wouldn't do you like that? I wouldn't leave you hanging. Like that. Of course, not I'm going to take you to the end Lolo. I don't have no deal with Ricky definitely not. Tim says that she definitely also wouldn't take candy to the end because she doesn't want to lose to candy and candy won't take her to the end because candidates want to lose to hurt. Yes. Yeah. I don't know where you fall on how much you believe taymor in this. But I really I don't know how like if it was this conversation or a different one. I just I'm convinced at this point that taymor does plan to take Lolo. I feel like the way that she expressed herself by saying like when she she's she's told Ricky, it's good me. And you to the end like we got each other. I feel like that's her way of trying to make sure that Ricky feels good about her. But the fact that she said to Lolo one hundred percent a thousand percent, I am taking you Lolo. I'm not gonna fuck you like, I think that like that that was some like specific language to make sure that Lolo knows that she is taking her, and I know it's taymor because she's been she's she's been making promises all over the place. But I don't know. I just kind of felt it. But this one that she she is. Is smart enough to know that her best chance is against Lolo? And I feel like she wouldn't have said it. That's specifically one hundred percent of thousand percent. I am taking you if she planned on not actually taking her. I don't know. That's what I felt. I mean, I certainly possible. It's hard to read where tame ours. I personally lean toward Ricky. She's had a final two with Ricky for a lot longer than Lolo. And also she has been both Dina and candy talking about how Ricky is easier to beat. It was sort of reinforcing the idea that maybe Ricky is the better option. So I would personally lean toward Ricky. But I just feel like she is, you know, at this point like she she before the season she'd been in interviews talking about how I think I'm going to come in third or fourth place, and that's fine. And I for a while. I was like maybe she actually believes that maybe she's actually going to just kind of give up at third or fourth in the fact that she's been trying to keep candy in the game. So long it's been making me still believe that like she doesn't care what she finishes here. But I don't know maybe it was after the video from home. And she just keep seeing. Son. I feel like she has the drive to win even though she's not going about it in the best way. In terms of like, she wants to keep candy in the house. Who is not a good person to sit next to in the final two. I just feel like she does have her head in the game. And she is thinking, you know, I've had blow should people lo-lose had blowups with people. It makes the most sense for me to try winning against her. So that is something else to consider is that in this conversation. Tae Maher is still feels like candy is going to be staying in the game. And she obviously plans on taking or at least presumably plans on taking candy before low. So I think she's lying to Lolo in this conversation regardless because whether or not she has a deal with Ricky she's still taking candy before Lolo. So I don't personally I wouldn't personally I wouldn't take what she says to Lolo in this particular conversation at face value. Obviously, she's lying about Ricky. And I also think she's lying about the fact that she was also would also take candy to the to the final two if she had the. I'm also somebody who's never actually fully been on board with the fact that she might take handy. I know a lot of people have been, but I've never been totally subscribed to that. Okay. Well. Where I'm coming from. Honestly, Tae could do any any one of those three things. I personally my when I think that she wants to take candy. I think Ricky would be next and then Lolo, but well, we might find out we might find out on on tonight tonight. So low low is then going to talk to Ricky and she's like, all right? So we're all set to keep candy then Ricky's like. Changed my mind thinking, maybe not gonna keep candy anymore. It's like we're so close and lows completely blindsided. She's like, wait, what Burkey you're blowing my mind right now. Look, what do you mean? No, you you're not sure like what Lolo just would never have thought that Ricky is going to change his mind dig into as she was locked in the team was locked in. We are keeping candy. And then you know, somebody's still thinking in the game. And she's mind-blowing that people are still thinking so now so oh, man. So she's I well why why is he and Ricky says look candy told me that she's going to take me to the end. And I don't I don't want to don't want you. I don't want you in taymor to regret keeping candy knowing that she's taking me it just feels wrong. You know, I don't want to do that to you guys. So I was thinking about what you were saying the other night about how candy is more likely to win the final h wage. I wouldn't I wouldn't like it. If candy won the final h and took me over you guys. So I think it's better if we keep if we keep Tina around, and then hopefully, we can beat her. And then we will both be in the finals together and low is just like, oh, wow. Candy going to take you. That's okay. She goes to tame, our she's I Ricky doesn't want to keep candy more. He's either super sneaky or he's a Saint because he's just laying down his life for us. He just he doesn't want candy to to take him and not us a gift. Here. He's he's he's giving us something that we never could repay. So nice rookie to to help us get farther in the game. So I can pretty sure it's the sneaky thing pretty sure it's that one. So she's going to talk about it with Tamar and taymor is like no, well, man. But remember about how we hate Dina. Remember that part and Lillo is like, yeah. But I mean candies gonna take Ricky don't you? I mean, why would you wanna keep candy if you know that she's gonna take Ricky? I I just because I'm not a hater. Yeah. That that line is what I knew and tweeted this yesterday that taymor ran out of runway like she has she has nothing left. But she can argue argue saying that candy is the better choice to keep in the house. There's really no, no more reasons. Like lo-lose coming at her with exactly what Ricky told her. And it's just it does not make any sense for her to keep her unless she brought up a point saying, I think candy will actually take me. But everyone is coming out with other reasons to say candy is not taking you. So that's she has nothing left. It's like when she was talking to candy and candy was trying to justify why she needs to make sure that that she. No, I'm sorry. Why can't he was working with Tom and Lola running out of the names, which is all mixed up in my head, and she was talking to taymor and taymor was just like yet. I guess you're right. It does make sense that you're working with Tom. And this is the exact same thing. She's she's at now, she just has nothing left to say. Yeah. So she she does any way back. She does keep trying to fight back. But it is it is not really working out here. So she they talked with. With Ricky again and taymor continues. Like, hey, put candy and Dina. Remember how much we don't like Dina and Ricky eventually just says, hey, look, if you want to vote to keep candy because you don't want to mess up your relationship with. That's that's fine. That's cool. And this is a this is again, I feel like an indicator that the reason the real reason Ricky wants candy gone because he recognizes that tame mar wants her to stay and that they probably have some kind of deal. So he's like, look, I get it. If if you don't want to Vic's candy if you wanna be a vote to keep candy. That's fine. I will break the tie and candy. So that is the plan for now things could change theoretically today, they have changed quite a bit already. And I know there are some people that think is is it possible Ricky is setting this up so that he can break the tie in candies favors. So that she honors her deal with him. I personally don't think that is the case. But but I am not willing to say with one hundred. Percents certainty. That candy is completely out quite yet. Which is why we will briefly go over candies game. It's not going to be quite as thorough as the other two. I do think that she is probably got one foot out the door at this point. So that is that is our update for today. Yeah. I think once the idea got put back into lo-lose head that that her original intentions of getting candy out this week are now a possibility again, I think she latched onto that she she went to taymor. And she was like, listen, this is this is our chance we have to make this shot. We regretted it last time when we took out Joey instead of candy. We're not gonna regret it. Again. This time we're going to make sure we do the right thing. And I personally do feel like is the end of the road for candy here. But you know, I guess these people have proven to be pretty unpredictable so still a half day left that we won't see because they're about to say goodbye, fifteen minutes. Yeah. So. I personally think that taymor is now only only just now starting to be like, okay? So if candies not here who do I take the that's not it's my first one reading still not exactly sure who she would take. But I do lean Ricky. So let's go over there games here. We're going to start with Dina. Because I think that dean is an interesting one. Deana comes into the game. She has she is connected to Jonathan and she comes in. She's she bonds with candy she bonds with Kato people talk about how she's in a showman's with Kato, obviously, not true. But but she does bond with him and candy. She is an option to go on the block as just an easy person to be up there upon whatever Jonathan protects her. But we also know that Jonathan was on the block, we know what everything that happened with the Jonathan alliance that crumbled, and so she wants to protect Jonathan, but she is not going to be able to and she votes to visit candy in order to protect him. But it's not enough. Jonathan is a victory we head into week two. She roots for Joey in the H competition because Joey was on team Jonathan and that upsets Kato, but she's upset with Kato and he's upset with her. And so he wants to Victor puts her on the block. Meanwhile, candy is upset with DNA because because candy was voted out by DNA. After they bonded. And so their elation ship is is crumbling a little bit deny not doing too. Well this point in the game. Ryan does approach her with an offer to create some kind of counter alliance to go against the Tom Kato, Natalie low low group, and she's like, yeah. I'm all about that. But we should not trust Ricky. You're talking about Ricky. We definitely shouldn't trust Ricky. And then she starts to. Okay. She's on the block. She's got this big alliance against her. She's lost her relationships. Things are not looking great. She's she was approached by Ryan. But Ryan got one foot out the door. She's she's the current backup plan. If Reiner Joey wins the veto then she's going to be a victim. So she goes, she talks to Cato. She does she lays a guilt trip on him. She says, hey Kato. I can't believe this happened. I was upset you were upset. She talks with them for a little while he comes away from that conversation thinking, you know, what we can work with deny. I actually do feel good about Dina. He talked with Tom. They both agree. They actually would like to see Dina stay over taymor. If the veto is one by Ryan or Joey. So they now are starting to pull Dina back end. She's got some more allies. Again. Meanwhile, taymor is pissing off her group so much that they want team are out this week if they have the possibility so separately they have also decided they would like to keep DNA over tame, mar. And just like that mar is safe. But ultimately doesn't matter because Ryan or Joey do not win. The veto. Ryan is a victim in week two. What do you think and so far, Matt? I'm thinking Dina's still doesn't know where she is. She's took her a long time to to get into the game. Not only just playing it in the way that she is now where she's trying to actively save herself, you know, in these last few days, but she really just didn't know what was going on early on. And there was people that she had these connections with you know, specifically, she was kind of close with Kato. So such a blindside when Kato is like you were rooting for the for Joey. And now, I'm putting you on the block like the worst decision Kato possibly could have made all season long, which like it didn't damage their relationship permanently. But I mean as time goes on and Dina's going to get closer to candy and not as close with the two guys, you know. 'cause 'cause a few waves that probably didn't need to happen. If a kid it wasn't such a dummy. Yes. Something that. I think when we go over Dina's game is that it's hard to articulate her style of play which is very much like she comes in. She's non-threatening. She knows she's non-threatening. And her her basic goal is to just make people feel good about her any conversation. She's in she agrees. She lets you take the lead. And she is on your side. She's I said from the very start. She's such a mom, and this is she's such like a like a cheerleader for you. And so that is very effective when she turns that on and so she does a good job in week two to keep herself safe on the off chance that the veto is one and we came are helps by doing damage to her own game. But also puts puts in an assist by helping her own game with. With Kato and Tom Izzo. We head into the next week. Tom is going to win the next h wage. He does not want Dina out. He feels good about her now. So so she is safe this week. K mart is sorry deana is going to the power is introduced is going to tell Kato. Hey, K mart has the power. I can read it all over her face. She has the power believe me catos. Like, Nah, I think candy has it. Kato tells her you can't trust anyone you can't trust anyone. But me and Tom this upsets Stein. She's like what why what are you talking about? What's happening when here DNA? She gets. She gets upset. She goes to Ricky. She's like catos telling me these things she ends up getting into a fight with candy. They finally kind of hash it out about the vote from week one. Where candy let's her know how upset she was that. She did that DNA is a bit tipsy here. And does not articulate herself. Very well. But after the fight with things hashed out there are able to make up and and rekindle their relationship, which is very important for DNA moving forward. The best night of the season by far in terms of like giving us any kind of entertainment drunk Dina by the by the hot tub with Ricky and then running into the gym and all that stuff that was the most fun Dina that we've had so Tom and Cato at this point tell her we need we need you to vote to keep Joey. That's what we need you to do. And she said, okay, we're keeping Joey that's t-. Joey is team Tom and keta? That's definitely was happening. She then has a run in with Ricky and the gym. That was one of the highlights of the season for me. Check out the the life. You'd update for that day. I don't know exactly what day it was. But it was a fun. It was fun recap. She is going to be approached by Lolo and Natalie this is going to be an occurrence that happens quite often. After this point where they try to flip her against the guys they say, hey, Tom, and Cato are terrible people. You don't wanna work with them? Do you see how Kato talk to you? It was disgusting. Do you see how Tom operates? It's disgusting and Dina's like, yeah, you're right. Oh, man. They're mean, people aren't they? Oh, man. That's terrible. Yeah. I totally hear what you're saying. Definitely. And then after the conversation does nothing about it. Because like I said, she's just your cheerleader in any conversation. And so they feel like they can approach her all the time. Even though she never actually gives them anything. She responds positively enough that they feel like. Maybe later, maybe we'll get her next time. So then Kato says, hey, hey, never mind. Not keeping Joey we're keeping candy. She's like, oh, okay. That's cool. Joey is a victim. Week four taymor Wednesday chew h Dina's celebrates with the gold room. Hey, we're getting Tom and Katie out. She's like party time. Again, she's she's sneaky that Dino. And then doesn't nothing else to be done Cato. And Tom are on the block keta was victim week five Dina starts talking with candy about how hey. We need to get Natalie out. If we went h over the course of the previous week, she is again, a rekindled this relationship candy and they're both on the same team. They're both on the same page. They need to target the athletes in particular, Natalie. She's the biggest threat Tom is going to win the wage. And here we go plans on it's time to do. This tame is going to complain to Dina about candy being selfish. Talking to Tom tamer is going to give candy a heads up about Dina's gonna give candy a heads up taymor. Dean is gonna talk with Tom and her one on one and say, hey, it's me it's you it's candy versus the athletes in taymor. That's what's going on. I know you don't understand this. But that's what's going on Tom and Tom is like, yeah. But I think I've flipped Lolo. And she's like no you have not flipped low low. You are a dummy. And he's like, but Ricky, and she's like, no Natalie is the biggest threat. This is probably Dina's best to moment in terms of clarity. And and smartness. And we're gonna see. Lolo and Natalie try to flip her again. Hey. Tom's a terrible person. Did you see what he's done? He's did you see him threaten people? Do you see him bully people? And it was like, oh, yeah. Man. But than one guy that guy Tom Izzo, man, then she's going to go to candy and be like, I feel so bad for Tom. This is probably Dina's best part of the game because she identifies who she wants her target to be between all the conversations with candy. She identifies the fact that Natalie needs to go they are in a spot where they can take her out. They just have to kind of keep on Tom it which candy does and Dina does a little less effectively. But she still does some pushing whenever she talks to him. So, you know, while the rest of her game has kind of been about being a piece and other people's game like her and candy become a solid two votes. That are going to completely be the most important factor in the house like they are the house at this point taymor says that even at one point that that whoever the two of them, candy and Dana decide to go is going to be the person who ends up a victim. So this is where Deena. Really kind of kicked it up a little bit. Yes. And she is going to feeling bad for Tom. She's gonna make him tuna melts. She's going to bring them upstairs to him. She's going to be talking on the feeds about Jonathan how much she loves him. She talks about some of the other jury members her jury management that again, it's hard to talk about in a game recap because it's not super relevant to the events that were occurring. But her jury management is on point whether she meant to or not so important to note, she is she's pleased. When Tom ends up not using the veto on ended up using the veto on Ricky. It means that that Natalie is going to be going home. She's very happy about that Ricky and taymor going to try and convince her in candy to keep Natalie. But they're having none of it. Dna is also going to then successfully repair, Tom and candies relationship because they had faltered a bit after candy revealed some things about Tom's plan to tame our, but Dina gets them back in a room together and says, hey, we need to work together. We only have each other. We need to do this pretty vital move. If they had ended up winning any competitions. But they did not Natalie is going to be a victim. Then Tom is going to be a victim. And then Ricky is going to win the H and the events of this week occur. And as we can to Dina not doing a terrible job. I think she probably did get a little bit outplayed by candy. But almost two outplayed by candy because when candy in taymor end up saying the same thing, it makes Tina again being the person that Dina is it works for her. And she knows how to play that. And so now she will be in the final four probably with a decent chance to win the game of big brother celebrity to all. She needs to do is entering the easy questions to get to a tiebreaker. And then it's basically a crap shoot. And then if she wins, then she takes whoever and wins the game. Yeah. Her game has been similar to you know. It's not the same exact thing. But somebody like Jordan, Lloyd, maybe who you know, they are probably going to be better at the game unintentionally than a lot of people are intentionally. That's like a common saying, she she is in like, I said, she doesn't she didn't know the game going into it. And she didn't have a strategy coming into it. She was just she she was just kind of doubting to everything going on around her and as time went on. And she kind of learned what to do. But she was never really in a great position to be able to control what to do until the week with Natalie potentially going home, which of course, her and candy successfully made happen, but a big part of Dina's game has been whether or not she's playing stupid, or if she actually is kind them, you know, they they've long suspected she can't actually be this ditzy Ray like this has got to be an act, and you know, it's still unclear I guess at least from my perspective. Whether she is doing this on purpose or not, I feel like I have to think that being who she is being, you know. Mama jer to Lindsay Lohan being as successful as her family has been that. She's not actually this stupid. I have to feel like once she realized that people see her as as this person that maybe she has played it up a little bit just to be like. Yeah. I don't know. What's going on? Like, I don't know. People are just telling me things left and right. And I don't really know what to do with all the information. And he's being mean, and you're being nice, and blah, blah, blah. So I have to give her a little bit of credit. I think that she has played it up. But it's just this. This is where we're at here. Like, you said, you know, it's just this final because she can win it. Then she has a jury votes locked up because regardless of how she got here. She has been nice to everybody along the way, she hasn't made any enemies and she hasn't. She's played a good game of celebrity big, brother. Yeah. I think that her moments of clarity say to me that she definitely understands what she's doing. And you know, somebody Trent welcome on the Chad says Dina changes her tune in each new grouping. She definitely at least somewhat knows what she's doing. And I agree Dina knows how to adapt to a social situation. And and she's so non-threatening that it just it works for her to do that. I think that she, you know, there are definitely aspects of her that are a little bit ditsy that that are a little out there. But she definitely understands how to play her version of the game. And I was thinking about a comparison. How do you feel about Kevin from big brother nineteen? I feel like I feel like they've played pretty similarly were Kevin if he didn't especially if you didn't have a Paul in there to really take over and direct his actions. If Paul was more of a candy than I really feel like they've they've played pretty similarly where Kevin was able to lie when he needed to. He was able to float around when he needed to. He was very friendly. He probably would have wanted jury vote pretty handily. It was just a matter of getting there. And if again, if Paul hadn't been there, Kevin probably would have slipped by a lot longer. So I I feel like I feel like that's a decent one. All right. So we just have to make sure that we keep d. Anna lo Han far away from swaggie. She gets out of the house is what you're saying. Yes. I can I can kinda see where you're coming from. I I always felt like Kevin was kind of maybe playing it up for the cameras more. Because like he going into the season. He knew his daughters were the one who wanted to get him on the show. They they knew he was like a fun personality. And I feel like the entire time. He was going for being that fun. Tv character TV personality. I think he'd been on the UT. I mean, we're having their personalities are not super similar. But I think they're gameplay style is I just feel like like Kevin was never like invested as like I feel like Dina honestly might be slightly better for player. Maybe because I feel like she's put more effort later in the game into like finding a way to to attempt to adapt to to win. Let's see what you're saying. I just feel like now I'm thinking about like Kevin game. And. Something else to know too. Is that like? I think a lot of people are really down on DNA playing the game. But DNA is the person who we at least on this podcast have were successfully able to predict would have a good shot to win the game from the very start more. So than any other player, we as soon as we saw Dina in that house playing the way that she did we were like, hey, she's probably going to get to the end. She's probably going to have a one in four shot of winning the whole game. And that's huge. Whether even if she didn't intend it, which I do think she did that's still huge in terms of win equity for season of big, brother. Do not sleep on Dina. Lohan is all on say, I might sleep on her a little bit just because, you know, her competition ability has been so so we compared to all these other. That's that's the thing if she was better at competitions. She probably wouldn't have lasted this long. I guess I'm tame are still trying to convince everybody that she is a big comfort for her one comprehensive where she lasted on the wall for a little while. That's not tomorrow it it's not working. He's not gonna competitions. It's better to not be good competitions. Especially if you are this archetype. All right. Eventually, you know, eventually kind of run out of room. If you're not gonna competitions. Or someone which is often a crap shoot almost purse go. There you go. So so let's talk about team are let's talk about humor taymor starts the game. She comes in with a relationship pre existing relationship with candy. It's also the biggest fan of the game heading into the game. She knows the most about the show she is pulled into the Jonathan alliance. But that that breaks up she ends up getting into a fight with candy that separates her from her roommate's a bit because she really wants candy out. And they and they're saying no we need Jonathan how they get into a fight all week about that. She also gets into a fight with Ricky because she says she saw him in a room with candy. And he says he wasn't in a room with candy. We can confirm he was not in a room with candy. So that further separates her from her roommate's. She continues to fight. She wants to get rid of candy. That's basically her only goal in the first week. But Natalie and Lolo are very firm saying, no, we are not taking candy out. We. We are taking Jonathan out. She eventually gives in and makes up with candy a little bit at least. And then Jonathan is going to be evicted. And that was basically Mars first week. One of the worst starts. You know, a to to the season for for taymor as she's just completely. I guess, you know, of course, she had no way to suspect. The candy was going to be in the house. So seeing candy completely just threw her off. And then you know, all the stuff going on with mooch. I feel like her head was just all over the place. And then she gets in fights with the relevancy and all that. It's just not a good start. Yes. Not not the greatest start. Here. Cato is going to win the next day wage and Natalie has pissed star tame Mars piston Natalie and gets into a little bit of a fight with Natalie about why has she dropped from the competition, which puts her endanger she's pissed about that. She also has going to get into a fight with Lolo about about candy and talking but candy, and what candy said and also what Lola was talking about with Natalie and Ricky the night before after Kedah won the H and how they're talking about her being upon and so they get it. That's the say it, then do it then say, then do it tomorrow is going to be nominated by Kato. On the block next to Dina as we said initially the plan was if Ryan or Joey win the veto because Ryan is the backdoor plan then Dina will be voted out next to tame are they were just trying to figure out how do we stop tamer from blowing up if we put on the block as a pawn? She did kind of blow up she gets into a fight with Kato about her nominee about his nomination speech about her son. And she is very mad at Kato. She's still mad at Ricky about the him being room with candy thing. And she tells Natalie and Lolo that she just her plan is from this point. She's just not gonna talk game with them anymore. Because all they do is disagree and she wants to remain friends with them. So she just needs to not talk him with them anymore. That's that's the only thing that will maintain their friendship. She's also going to go a little bit rogue here and tell Ryan, hey, Lolo, Ricky, Natalie, Tom, and Cato are all in an alliance, and they're working against you. You need to be careful about that at this point Natalie and low low there so done with. She's going rogue. She's getting into fights with them. They're so done with her. They decide we're going to keep DNA over if we can get out this week. We're going to have Ryan or Joey win that when that veto because she's she's clearly just not worth working with Tom and Kato are also going to separately decide they want the same thing as we talked about Dino worked on them. However, Brian or Joey did not win the veto. And Ryan is going to be a victim. Yeah. This is the the worst taymor is game. We'll get like if you're looking at looking at it on a graph. Maybe even in terms of like the ratings that she's gotten in the in the stock watch forms, and all that that, you know, she started going like really low low low low hit like a really bad spot here potentially could have been a victim. And then I mean since then it's just gone up. But I think. I mean, everybody everybody's games were just trying to be figuring out at this point. They were trying to figure out who their teammates were going to be who they were going to work with going forward, you had Natalie and Lolo potentially working with Tom and Kato and tame are very very clearly saw that she was on the outs of that as as tight as this gold room became overtime. They there was there was cracks in the beginning. There was definitely plenty of talk about can we actually have taymor on our team if she's going to be so focused on candy. She's not really thinking, clearly, she's not, you know, she blows up at any opportunity. So you know, her game very easily could have ended this week. Luckily, didn't it's it's kind of like. Can't think of when thinking of the I mean, plenty of players in big brother, you know, get saved early on in their game and propel to do much better over time. So luckily, she she she made it through. Yes. I'm seeing right now Tim are talking to the cameras. She seems a very angry that the candy is going to be leaving. She says that I'm astonished at the greed and lust for money. That's in this house. They tried it. They're going to tell me last night and got no choice. They're going to the they're going to kick candy off, and I'm not supposed to tell her. So she's not happy. I wonder if the if the anger is coming from the fact that they made an agreement last night, we won't tell her or if it's just she doesn't want to see candy go either way, she needs to be thanking Ricky for helping make this decision. So that she actually has a shot at winning. But maybe you'll find that out one day. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is like if Ross was going to win and then somebody managed. Take him out. And then Melissa ended up winning because she didn't take Roz because she thought she was going to lose trust. Anyway, think she just hey, she I mean, not think like she does kinda just hate having no control over the situation. And she thought that she had this on lock she thought that candy was going to stay. And obviously the votes are not there anymore. You know, she was very clearly told last night that they change their minds as so. Back to week two. And this was really definitely a low point in in Mars game is a very poorly played week. Really the first two eviction cycles were were very poorly played here. She goes into week three being one of the main targets. She was almost a victim week to one of the main targets week three. Tom is going to win the HOA JR. And again, she was she might have needed to win this H wage, and she she decided against playing in it, which is understandable. I guess if you are afraid of haunted houses, but definitely not exactly the best game play. Tom is the consensus targets? Here are Joey or tame mar and they want both of them on the block, really. And if one of them is safe than the other one is going to go. Luckily, though for taymor two things happen. I she is awarded the power of the publicist which is going to keep her safe for the next two weeks. Second Tom has it in for Ricky because Ricky called him a prick, and he doesn't like that. So Tom wants to back door Ricky, and he also avoids putting taymor on the block because the power was announced and Kato gotta read that candy had it, Tom THAAD that Joey might have it. So instead of putting taymor on the block like he had planned. He decided to put Joey and candy on the block to see if that would flush the power it did not end up flushing the power. So Tom is going to have a conversation with Tamar to get a sense of do stay mar have the power his is to still back Ricky, but he wants to get a sense of who has the power because he thinks that will be a good excuse to put Ricky on the block taymor is going to get into a fight with Tom about this conversation where she feels like he's threatening her. Is when things start to take off a little bit in terms of the the nastiness. Natalie and low low and Ricky all want taymor on the block as a replacement at the very least to flush the power again, though. Luckily for KMart Tom really wants to target Ricky, so because they're trying to target Ricky the women are going to flip on Tom and Kato, and Joey is going to pitch to the women and taymor that they all have to work together against Tom and Kato they need team. Are they need Joey they need to all work against Tom and Kato. And this is the turning point in taymor is game where she is finally grouped up with them against Tom and Kato. There's finally a common enemy that they need to band together against and so came are is going to very quickly piss them off again, though by trying to say, hey, we should vote Joey out and keep candy, and they get pissed all over again. And they're like, oh, I can't believe tomorrow. Okay. So what we need to do is keep Joey, and then we'll take taymor as soon as we get rid of Tom Kato. But tame are. Stands for ground and says, no, I'm not voting out candy. She's a friend on the outside of the house, and I don't wanna ruin my relationship. So candy is going to stay, and that's it. This is also when all of the fights happened. We have covered. Plenty already jury. Management's? We talked about how Dina's was excellent tame Mars, definitely not very good at all very very poor jury management in terms of the fights and the trash talking behind people's backs and so on and such four. Yeah. I mean fair that that the fights and all that stuff or not looking great for her in the house. But do remember that I guess Ryan Jonathan and Joey are all going out of the house, and none o