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#87 - Rick Johnson, M.D.: FructoseThe common link in high blood pressure, insulin resistance, T2D, & obesity?

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#87 - Rick Johnson, M.D.: FructoseThe common link in high blood pressure, insulin resistance, T2D, & obesity?

"Lou Hey everyone welcome to the Dr Podcast. I'm your host. Peter Attiyah this podcast my website and my weekly newsletter. All focus on the goal of translating the science of longevity into into something accessible for everyone goal is to provide the best content in health and wellness full stop and we've assembled a great team of analysts to make this happen. If you enjoy this podcast we created a membership program that brings you far more in depth content. If you WANNA take your knowledge of the space to the next level at the end of this episode. I'll explain what those benefits are. Four if you WANNA learn more now head over to Peter at MD DOT com forward slash. Subscribe now without further delay. Here's Today's episode. I guess this week is Dr Rick Johnson. Rick is a professor of medicine in the Department of Nephrology at the University of Colorado where he's been since two thousand one eight and he's basically spent the last seventeen years being division chief across three very prestigious medical schools. He's unbelievably prolific as an author. He has well over seven hundred approaching eight hundred publications seemingly every week in Jama New England Journal of Medicine Science etc.. He's lectured across forty countries authored. Two books books one of which we discuss in great detail in this podcast called the fat switch which he wrote about Seven or eight years ago he's been funded extensively by AH H and in fact has received the most prestigious grants that I h has to offer his primary focus in research has been on the mechanisms causing kidney disease Aziz but was doing this that he became really interested in obesity diabetes heart disease. And what connected me to rick. I guess about seven years ago. Now maybe maybe a bit longer was his work on fructose for metabolism. And that's really what we talk a lot about in this podcast so we start by talking about high blood pressure the relationship between salt in high blood pressure which is something that is incredibly controversial and I actually learned a lot in this podcast. I'm really glad we had this discussion because I kinda thought I had this thing figured out. I clearly don't we talk about one of the most interesting bifurcation evolution with respect to an enzyme that allows us to use fructose in a certain way that was obviously advantages millions of years ago today not so much. We talk a lot about your uric acid which. You've probably heard me talk about on other. podcasts this will then be masters class in it talk about artificial sweeteners. There's and we sort of touch on some of the most promising ideas around pharmacotherapy that are being developed in response to the the epidemic of metabolic disease especially in response to sugar so this episode gets a little bit deeper on some of the Biochem. We're going to have obviously the show notes. We'll as usual provide a great background. Analysts have references and I hope you enjoy my discussion with Dr Johnson Rick thanks so much for opening up your office today and making time it's great. I'm very happy to have you here. I've wanted to sit down with you for about a year in this format because I guess we've probably known each other for maybe about six years now and every discussion has been one of those discussions. Where at the end of discussion? I think man how am I ever GonNa Remember. Remember all of this stuff and how will I be able to sort of synthesize this to translate it into sort of what I'm doing and said this many times before but the the whole kind of reason that I started a podcast was I just found myself every week. Having a discussion with someone usually scientists where I thought this has got to be shared so you would certainly be one of the three or four people in indirectly there was a real catalyst for the podcast because of the frequency with which we would either have these dinner discussions or discussions over the phone own. And so anyway for that I wanNA thank you and hopefully the listeners do as well but in the introduction. I've set this up a little bit as to why this is such an important discussion and because there's so much to talk about I just kind of want to jump right into the meat of things. It would be not an exaggeration to say you were one of the world's experts on fructose and I guess I would just start with the why. Where did that interest? Come from. You've obviously been doing this for a long time in that passion has been sustained. So what brought you to this point. Well I'm a kidney doctor actor so now we wouldn't be studying sugar so it was kind of a security risk way that I got there. I was very interested in the cause of high blood pressure and had been known for a long time. That high blood pressure is linked with kidney and in fact the going theory is for years. was that the kidney. In high blood pressure has a defect in its ability to excrete salt. And so that you end up retaining salt and that leads to elevated blood pressure and and when we were studying trying to understand how the kidney handle salt in high blood pressure and so forth we were trying to understand potential pathways ace and we stumbled on the fact. That hyper your seamier elevated uric acid could be a very significant risk factor for high blood pressure. And when we started studying uric realized that when you raised uric acid and animals they developed high blood pressure from there. We started to try to understand what made did the uric. Acid go up and we knew from the literature that sugar and particularly fructose raised uric acid. So we started studying fructose and pretty soon we were so excited about what. We're refining that. We just kind of changed our research direction to focus more on how fructose has all of its metabolic effects. There's a lot to unpack there so let me kind of go back to bits of it you sort of gloss over the fact that the conventional approach to high blood pressure is that sodium is the culprit. And isn't it still safe to say that most advice around reducing blood pressure comes down to reducing sodium intake while we've actually been studying this pretty extensively. There's a lot of pearls I can teach you or I can talk about related to salt. And when I was in training I was taught thought that you restrict a certain amount of salt. You should be on a low salt diet as a mechanism to prevent high blood pressure. It was always about the amount a lot of salt in fact we were teaching that for a long time. That if you want to have a low blood pressure you should restrict your salt intake or or if you want to try to treat your high blood pressure you should restrict your salt intake. What's happened in the last couple of decades has been the increasing being knowledge that it isn't really the salt amount that makes a difference but the salt concentration? So when you eat salt like if you vida salty soup the salt concentration goes up in your blood. I and it translates into a thing called Asmal -ality and so you're ceremonies. Malala goes up so Oz. Morality is sort of like the ionic pressure buildup in a fluid at waited. It's sort of like the number of molecules a set of volume so literally when you eat salt if it's really salty. Let's say you have a serum sodium concentration of one on forty million moles per liter. If you had a really salty superior Sam Sodhi may go up to one forty two or one forty-three what looks like pretty insignificant but that actually actually is what triggers a rise in blood pressure. And so we've actually done the study where we took people and gave them soup with without salt when they drink too salty alty soup their serum sodium goes up and their blood pressure shoots up. How much would a person's blood pressure go up if sodium went from one forty to one forty two it's about six millimeters okay? So they'd go from one twenty to one twenty seven and that happens acutely. At how long does it take to resolve a maybe a COUPLA hours so if we give and we did did this study we published it last year. If you give salty soup with water so that the serum sodium doesn't go up they got the same amount of salt. Guess what the blood pressure hasn't come up and the Serum Sodium So not go up guys. Go right does not go so if you black the same solid from going up so basically the closer you can bring the total accumulated concentration of what you ingest down the more likely you are to prevent this transient rise in Serum Oz morality quality in blood pressure. Yeah well it turns out that ceremonies. Morality has a real major role not only in blood pressure but also in obesity. And we're GONNA talk about at that in a second but when you take a high salt diet and your serum sodium goes up it triggers a rise in blood pressure. It's working through the brain and actually through the liver and other sites to pause for a moment tell the listeners why it would be better to have a blood pressure of one. Twenty over eighty than one forty over one hundred while there's Pretty good epidemiologic data. That shows that when your blood pressure is high that you have an increased risk for heart failure and stroke those are the two major ones but it also increases the risk for heart attacks and heart disease in general. Interestingly there's a very significant inflection point and what I mean by that is when the blood pressure gets around one sixty two one eighty right in that range. The risk for stroke go significantly currently up in the risk for mortality. Goes up and that's because our body tries to auto regulate to blood pressure so when the blood pressure goes up for example the kidney will constrict to reduce the pressure low to the kidney but when it gets about one seventy it will overcome that that restriction in the blood pressure will injure the kidney likewise the brain kind of response to flow more so it tries to maintain blood flow but but if the pressure gets high it tries to protect itself from the high pressure by constricting but when the pressures like one seventy the risk it can't constrict in strict enough. And you don't want it to constrict that much because it has to maintain flow and so the pressure of increases to the brain and increases the risk for stroke now current guidelines seem even more aggressive. We would manage class one hypertension. We would consider something in the mid thirties to be treatable. Yeah so let let me get there so originally when the studies came out it was very very clear that if your blood pressure was like one seventy or higher that you had a dramatic atic increase risk for stroke and that's because it would pass the regulatory point but then what happened was epidemiologic studies showed that even led pressure of like one. I'm forty over ninety conferred increase risk. It just it was much less than the one seventy so at one seventy it just takes off. It's almost the line. It goes up vertically but between one forty and one sixty very still in stepwise increase risk. But it's just a kind of a more gradual risk. In fact act for things like a stroke you can start showing an increased risk from one twenty over eighty to one forty over ninety leading people to view one twenty over eighty. He has kindly optimal blood pressure. As you get older if the blood pressure's really low you lose your auto regulation for low blood pressure and so it increases the risk for kidney disease. He's and an problems as well. So you don't WanNa be extreme on either end especially as you get older this whole thing's kind of such a it's a real clinical mystery in some ways still because in medical school we learn about this term called essential hypertension which is kind of a wastebasket term for hypertension or high blood pressure for which. We don't have an obvious cause the problem is in so having sort of that. wastebasket term would be okay if it accounted for the minority of cases. But then you get to the clinic and you realize everybody everybody walking around with high blood pressure basically getting labelled as having quote unquote essential hypertension. So it really is this epidemic without a clear description. And we're going to come to a lot of reasons that I mean I think you have arguably one of the most compelling cases for what is at the root of hypertension but for people listening to this for doctors is listening to this. Who treat hypertension? I feel it. We just haven't made much progress in the twenty years. Since I've been out of medical school there have been some real breakthroughs in the understanding of of primary hypertension. Just in the last five ten years. And there's two major aspects I can talk about the first one is that it does appear appeared. That salt really is important. And one of the key discoveries was that the kidneys are often normally handle assault fine but they develop our choir a change in the kidneys that lead them to hold onto sodium and the mechanism has been uh identify. Just in the last few years it's due to the fact that there's an inflammatory inflammation that occurs in the kidney and and that inflammation which is driven by t cells and macrophages causes a constriction of the blood vessels that leads to low. Oh Greatest Kimia in the kidney and that Escambia can translate into increased sodium absorption which then leads to high serum sodium and the effects is there a correlation between serum sodium and blood pressure across normal physiologic ranges of say one thirty five to one forty five mil equivalents for leader. Yeah I believe so I naturally I can quote the paper but yes. I think that's true. So what you're saying is in people with high blood pressure that's otherwise wise viewed as quote unquote essential. There's an inflammatory. Response mediated by both t cells and macrophages that injures the kidney schematically schematically meaning it for the listener that result in reduced blood flow and tissue damage due to reduced blood flow and reduced oxygen. And it's that injury that then leads to do a Barent retention of sodium so there's actually been really a lot of studies looking at the mechanism of inflammation and originally. It looked like it was people thought it might might be a reactive response of the kidney so we think that there may be external stimuli that initially cause a decrease in blood flow to the kidney like sympathetic nervous system response you can do it. Translated by giving medicines or drugs that can cause a constriction of blood vessels. When you do that you get gather? Transient reduction blood flow. To the kidney that induces an inflammatory response that then causes persistent reduction in blood flow. And what we've learned in the the last few years and I'm an author in one of these studies is that this inflammatory reaction can actually be an autoimmune reaction and we've even identified certain proteins that there's an auto immune response to in one is a heat shock protein. You can actually create high blood pressure in animals by inducing an immune response response to this and you can black the immune response and black the high blood pressure and and now there's even data showing that in humans that there's evidence for for an auto immune response to heat shock proteins and people with essential hypertension. which is not to say heat shock proteins necessarily bad because so many of the benefits we get out of Sauna or exercise may be transmitted through these? But you're saying a subset of people where the heat shock protein itself becomes the night for inflammation via an autoimmune mechanism. Yes yes oh heat shock proteins or great just as you say they do all these really good things but what happens is they're involved in the clearance of MIS folded proteins and they're right helping keep a clean system but what happens is when you trigger injury to the kidney for example these heat shock proteins get produced to help help fix problems but the immune system can sometimes get confused and make an immune response that actually is against the heat shock proteins. And when that that happens you can develop high blood pressure in the animal. And there's some evidence for it in humans so anyway. So that's one of the big breakthroughs has been the discovery that inflammation inflammation in the kidney can be a mechanism for triggering. Persistent elevations in blood pressure and probably has a big role in the cause of primary hypertension inch before you go on Rick. How prevalent do you think that particular mechanism is that you just elucidated? Let's very major. In fact we've even looked at genetic polymorphisms presumes that link with the development of primary hypertension and most of them are involved with the immune response. And it looks like this is a major pathway. This creates a bit of a quandary for someone WHO's trying to rid themselves of hypertension. Because wouldn't the implication of this be that exercise or things like exercise that induce heat shock proteins may paradoxically increase their hypertension. I don't think so so. Hypertension is kind of a complicated pathway. So there's several different aspects but exercises sizes extremely good for improving Mida conrail function improving the ability for your blood vessels to dilate. It improves kidney function function. The benefits of exercise are so much greater and releasing heat shock proteins that really occurs with. I don't know if it's just general. Exercise would have a big effect heat shock proteins as you're saying basically the net effect of exercises still going too far outweigh. Yes absolutely. But I'd like right to get back to this the link between salt and sugar if I could okay because there is this data as I say that salt. When it increases the Syrup Sodium is what drives the cute blood pressure response and when the kidneys have trouble getting rhys all? It's easier to get that effect with assault but even with a normal person you can with normal blood pressure you can raise their blood pressure. Transient Louis by giving giving them salt and you can block it by giving water. Interestingly in the process of developing high blood pressure there's the initiators and then there's the things that make it persistent and the inflammation in the kidney is involved in the persistence but what is involved in. The initiation turns turns out that sugar has a major role and what we discovered. Is that when you give a high salt diet to animals walls that the high salt increases the serum sodium and the serum sodium when it goes up it activates an enzyme that Converts Glucose which is in our blood and our tissues to fructose and that conversion to fructose is driven even by a high salt diet. And it's driven by an increase in serum is morality or increase in Serum Sodium. Once the fructose is made aide in the body so this is not fructose. Coming from the Diet this is made in the body. The fructose gets metabolize and raises blood pressure and when we gave high salt to animals they developed an increase in blood pressure and they also were making fructose and when we block black the metabolism of fructose. We actually black the rise in blood pressure as well as the hypertrophy of the heart. So let's pause for a moment I've had rob west on on the podcast before so anyone who's listened to that will be familiar with what fructose is. What glucose is what sugar is? All of these things became you spend one minute just defining defining these things for people who listened to that podcast sure so there's different types of sugar and the main one that we call blood. Sugar is glucose and this is the primary sugared that our body uses to make energy. It's the main sugar that's used to make energy and it can be stored in the tissues as glycogen and when that's too high. We call it diabetes. When the blood glucose is too low it's hypoglycemia? Yeah and so glucose is like the principal energy fuel carbohydrate fuel that we use as you said we store lots of it in our muscles once it gets the muscles. It can't get out and we store maybe a quarter to a third of it in our liver and that's mostly there to buffer the blood supply in particular the brain. What is Glucose macos taste? Like a pure drink of glucose people like it animals like it but it isn't as sweet as classics sugar but it is often very very much like by animals. Humans like it you can buy these dextrose pops and stuff like that. dextrose is another word for glucose and also the kidneys Store glycogen and Produce Glucose to the second type of sugar is fructose and the best way to think of fructose is is it is a fuel first off. It's present in fruit but it turns out to be the sugar that is involved in energy storage rather than energy production. And so when you eat glucose you use that to produce energy but when you eat fructose it will actually trigger changes in the body that will favor the storage of energy and this is the sugar that animals use to store energy so in the store in the way of fat in the way glycogen Leica Gin and all those kinds of anything that will facilitate starring. Energy is done by fructose. Fructose and glucose if you're looking at pictures of them in a Biochemistry Book Look Pretty Similar. They're both ringed carbon structures. They both have six carbons one of them has a firing versus six ring. But you know it's sort interesting to think that molecules that look almost identical. With the exception of a couple of bonds different can have quite different properties now for tos tastes a lot sweeter as well. Oh yes in so. Fructose is like in honey and fruits and then that's right so it tastes a lot sweeter and the other thing is if you mix the fructose and Glucose coast together you can get what's called high fructose Corn Syrup and at their bound together you get table sugar so table. Sugar are sucrose is is one molecule of glucose and fructose bond together and that occurs in nature in sugar cane and beets and things like that and Maple Syrup and things like that right so just to clarify for everybody we when we get a little comfortable with this terminology. Throw the word sugar around quite liberally but it's always important for people to think I think when we talk about sugar we could be talking about Blood Sugar Glucose. We could be talking about fructose by itself. oftentimes when we talk about sugar in diets. We're talking talking about added sugars such as the sucrose high fructose corn syrup. You just alluded to. I want to go back to what you just said about the ability of fructose to store something but but if you don't mind can we do it through the Lens of a beautiful story that you've written about in the past about a mutation that basically allowed that to happen this thing that it took place about twelve to fifteen million years ago share so fructose again is A. It's an fruit and many many animals. Use News fructose is a means is their primary nutrient or and also as a way to help store fat and for example Animals animals before they hibernate will often eat lot of ripe fruit and the ripe fruit gives them the sugar that allows them to store fat and Ranga. Tang's will eat huge amounts of fruit at one setting to try to increase their body fat and we don't get fat from eating fruit but that's because we eat tart fruit that that has less sugar content and we tend to only a few fruit whereas if reacts you drink fruit juice that large amounts of fruit juice can actually increase so anyway so fruit is a nutrient that is used by animals to help store fat so if you go back about twenty million years ago the very first fossil apes show up in the world and they show up in west Africa and the original one was called proconsul saw where they were living in about. Twenty two million years ago and they were these. Apes were big breakthrough in evolution because the prior the monkees were had already been around. But these these were bigger creatures. The apes were they had bigger brain size. They were tailless but they did live in the trees and they lived in tropical rainforests and woodland rain force force and they would eat primarily fruit and they were quite successful and by about eighteen million years ago. There were almost At least ten to twenty species of ape that were living in this area of Africa there was a change in climate there was some Global Cooling and the antibiotic started building up ice in the Arctic Star billing vice and sea levels fell and win. The sea levels fell land. Bridges developed that connected Africa which had been separate separated from the other continents. These land bridges opened up so that there was now a way to get out of Africa and Europe and Asia and many many species migrated across those land bridges about seventeen million years ago and some of them were the apes and we see the the first apes fossils in places like pass lark Turkey and different places of Europe right around sixteen million years ago at that time nine there were still force. That we're fruiting trees woodland's. There was fruit all year round and so the animals when when they moved into Europe he didn't have to change their habits at all. They were able to continue to eat fruit pretty much all year round but unfortunately continue to get cooler. You're and by twelve million years ago. They started to starve in Europe. And you can tell that from the fossils because they actually have these like tree rings on their teeth. That are the developing teeth. Get this enamel. The Enamel doesn't lay down correctly and they get these like tree tree rings. That shows intermittent starvation. They would get a ring every time they would go through a period. The starvation was seasonal. So it it was during the cooler months when suddenly the fruit was not available and the primary reason was there was a loss of a fig tree in the fig is a cool fruit that can fruit fruit all year round because the wasp that fertilizes the fruit edessa at its own discretion so the fruit will of fig tree kind of can occur all year around so when the fig tree died. Suddenly there weren't too many because of the global cleaner perhaps was the wasp but the fig trees disappeared and suddenly only these apes did not have enough food to survive during the cooler months and they started to starve and by six to eight million years years ago the last a became extinct in Europe but Africa although there was global cooling there too it wasn't as cold and the fruit trees survived all your round. The forest just retracted. So they apes there were able to maintain normal habits while there was a lot of evidence. Yeah there was a lot of evolutionary change occurring in our ancestors during this my ASEAN period and this period of time when there was Global Cooling Cooling and one of them was a mutation in uric acid metabolism and as I mentioned sugar and particularly fructose. It's metabolize generates uric acid glucose when this metabolize this not but fructose when it's metabolize makes uric acid and this mutation led to a much stronger uric acid response to fruit because this was an enzyme that degrades the uric rick acid. And when you black that and you eat fruit uric. Acid was much more and this mutation basically allowed these apes to maintain a very prominent uric acid response. Our group has shown that the way. Fructose stimulates fat as well. All is its other properties like insulin. Resistance and raising blood pressure that those abilities are driven in part by the uric acid acids so when this mutation occurred for the same amount of fruit they were able to store more fat and so it was like a survival mechanism. This mutation nations showed up and allowed apes that did had very little access to fruit to suddenly maintain more fat stores so they could live longer and survive those winners and we were able to show with Peter Andrews at the Natural History Museum in London who studies these apes that this might account for a very interesting finding than the finding. Is that although we thought the apes became extinct in Europe and they certainly did become extinct in Europe. The fossil record shows that it was a European eight that made it back to Africa and also to Asia to become our ancestors as well as the ancestors of of the great apes that live in Africa and in South East Asia. Like Ranga team that they're all came from a common ancestor. That was in Europe Arup and that went back to Africa and we know from the genetics that that eight carried the euro case mutation and so this mutation probably occurred at a critical time that provided survival for those apes in Europe to be able to get out of there and make eh back to these other regions but it was now equipped with this mutation that made it sensitive to sugar in so humans are much more sensitive selective to sugar then most animals and it's because of this mutation and in fact we actually resurrected the extinct era case improved with this using the extinct era case that showing that when you put it into human cells that it suddenly made us less sensitive to fructose. So so the phenotype there I mean just to recap that story which I find so fascinating by the way you guys wrote a story about this. In the scientific American many years ago right I know there was a paper that came out as well but I mean that sort of the lay person version in Siam was really great so basically these apes go from Africa up to Europe it gets too cold we SORTA think they die out but the evidence emerges merged actually a sub sub subset of them developed a mutation in your case that gave them a superpower which was now they could be much more efficient at turning fructose into fat. They had this little biproduct which they would also make a boatload of uric acid along the way but they actually came back to Africa and ultimately seated the rest of the species. ABC's and ultimately that's why we as humans are among the very rare animals that have uric acid levels that are quite high relative to cats and dogs for example yes. That's that's exactly correct so we were in medical school rick. We learned a lot about uric. Acid through the lens of a disease called Gout and it didn't get a lot of airtime in in school. Maybe it gets more today but at the time it was basically gout is a disease of civilization from eating too much meat. And there's no real problem with it except for the nuisance ends of your total hurts because uric acid crystallizes it gets inside joints. It seems to favor the first joint of the great toe and it's very painful inflammatory inflammatory condition. And it's what happened to sort of the wealthy people of the last few hundred years as they started getting acquiring too much meat and protein and that was sort of the story what you're describing is a little bit more nuanced so tell us more about uric acid. Yes so the big problem with having too much uric acid has got just as you say and all the animals that have era case mutation are prone to gout but humans in particular are very prone gout and it's because of our diet so so we do eat diets that are high in meat imperious that increase risk for talks with specifically since it always shows up in this terminology share so we have proteins. We have fat. We have carbohydrates. We also have things like aren a and DNA and what we call call nucleic acids so these are the kind of acids that are in the nucleus and that are also in the cell that helped drive gene formation gene and protein. You know our genetic material and also help dictate the production of proteins and DNA. ARNA are made of nucleic acids and when they're broken broken down there made up appearance and then uric acid is appearing in. It's basically the ultimate breakdown product of DNA and Arne so the reason protein consumption versus fat carbohydrate would lead to. This is because you're if you're eating protein you're eating. DNA An irony that presumably were still in net to shoot. Yes so the way get gout from protein is from the DNA and irony in the protein and so in that relates to some extent to the sir so how dense the nuclei are and so like if you have a very cellular thing like a anchovies and these small fish that have lots of DNA. Arnie if you have that they will develop gal from that much. Easier than from other other types of meat in so beer for example has brewer's yeast and that is filled with aren a and so. So that's why beer can precipitate gout. Now I follow uric acid levels very closely in all of my patients in myself and there is an UNMISTAKEABLE difference difference between men and women at least in my small sample size of patients where men on average have higher uric acid levels than women. Is that true true across the general population. Yes even boys. They'll start to have a higher uric acid than girls however after the menopause uric acid slow go up in women and that's because estrogen helps excrete uric acid So it's not. I had sort of Vegas incorrectly. Assumed it was just unbalanced unbalanced. Men consumed more protein than women. I think that also plays a role. I think that's right but it sounds like this. Estrogen explanation makes more sense if it can also explain. NBA Observation of menopause. Yes going back. GOUT is also increased by sugar. And even Sir William Osler. The famous physician position from the eighteen nineties in his book principles and practice of Medicine pointed out way back in the eighteen nineties that that sugar was a major risk factor. perfer forgot as well as very sweet fruits. He wrote anyone who's had got usually we'll know that real significant sweets can also oh precipitate gout and the reason is because of the fructose content. And when the fructose is metabolized generates uric acid. When people were developing engaged in the eighteen hundreds it was linked to the wealthier groups in England for example they were eating a lot of as you say rich foods? What's that included proteins and and so forth but one of the things they were eating a lot a drinking a lot of alcohol to which they added sugar? I actually did write a paper where we reviewed how much sugar was put in drinks alcohol drinks back in the seventeen eighteen hundreds and it was much more than today. They loved loved sugar. They put it in in many of their drinks and in fact I even have a picture of an old pub outside. The Tower of London called the SUGARLOAF. They talk about the old drinks. Were served I Chris and some of these drinks sack and sugar was named for a drink that they had I mean. They added a lot of sugar to their drinks. And so part of the rise in Gout back in the eighteen hundreds and seventeen sixteen hundred relates to not only just the alcohol and the rich foods but also to the sugar they were adding so you were sort of the person who brought onto my radar that there are other things besides doubt that one needs to be concerned about when it comes to uric acid and one of them is blood pressure. So how did that understanding come about so originally. We were studying. What causes high blood pressure and there was a lot of epidemiologic studies that linked uric acid with high blood pressure? And as I mentioned we we also knew knew that there was subtle changes going on the kidney associate with high blood pressure and people without often have low. Great Kidney Disease so I said a high maybe uric. Acid could have a role in causing kidney disease through crossing high blood pressure through its ability to cause kidney disease and so we took animals and we gave it this year case inhibitor to raise the uric acid of an animal and by Gosh they developed high blood pressure and then we could lower the blood pressure by lowering the uric acid and when we looked we were thinking it was might be like crystals of uric acid in the kidney. That was my thought is the crystals would cause. How's the inflammation in the kidney? And that would be late. We left in the Kitty. There weren't any crystals there so then we realized it was ineffective effective soluble uric acid. So we started putting Sowell uric acid on cells and so forth and we saw that it had all these biologic effects and we always thought eric acid was kind of like a dead end product of something or even might be a good thing because some people said it was an antioxidant but it was causing pro inflammatory affects. Thanks so then. We set a high fructose sugar. Ray's uric acid. Maybe sugar could have a role in blood pressure. What what year is it that you're having that thought ric two thousand and two? We gave some animals fructose and they developed high blood pressure and we gave them Aloe L. O.. Pernell which is a drug to lower uric acid and it made their blood pressure. Goes back to normal and it was like this big discovery but what was totally exciting. was these animals also developed insulin resistance they also develop elevated triglycerides in their blood they had had other fatty liver and when we lowered the uric acid we showed benefits an all of those parameters how does appear and all work with mechanism by which it lowers whereas uric acid it blocks your gasset formation so uric acid is generated from other hearings and when we blocked that we blocked a lot of the effects of sugar to cause Metabolic Syndrome. And so we would we. I did it. We said there's gotta be something wrong here so we repeated it and we did it different ways and then Matt looked like uric. ACID had a role in how sugar worked so as we studied this we started realizing that the process by which uric acid is generated as important in how sugar causes disease. He's no one believed us. Initially I have to tell you that everybody said I yet. Sugar Causes Gout but the idea that sugar raises uric acid. That causes got the idea. That sugar raises uric acid and that is involved in the obesity insulin resistance. We don't believe in what's happened happened since then is we've learned that. The metabolism of fructose is extremely different from the metabolism of Glucose. The two look alike but when fructose is metabolized there's this process that causes the energy in the south to fall fall before it goes up so normally when you eat a calorie when you eat any kind of nutrient we use it to make energy. That's what we do but when you eat eight fructose the energy in the south false before it goes up it's the only nutrient that lowers energy in the south. Seem more what you mean by that. So we're talking about a cell in the liver for example. Yes I'm talking about the cells that metabolize the fructose okay. So we'll contrast it with Glucose so with glucose enters a cell it gets turned into Peru vate and ultimately. ATP is made so you're saying total energy goes up as a result of metabolising that glucose. So whenever you metabolize any kind of calorie any kind of food eat food you're going to metabolize it to make energy. That's what we do. We try to break down the food and we use it to make energy that energy is called. ATP ATP is the currency in our body that we a US to make us run walk. Think talk everything so the peace pretty critical but to make. ATP You have to spend a little of it to make it so the process of breaking down metabolising food or glucose or fructose or requires spending a little bit of ATP before you make it well what happens is when you metabolize glucose you do oh spend some ATP but the body has a system whereby feeds back to stop the process before any significant ATP ATP depletion occurs so for example. There's an enzyme called phosphor fructose kindness. That's used in glucose metabolism if ATP LEVELS LEVELS FALL THAT ENZYME GETS turned off to stop glucose metabolism to allow ATP levels to come back up but when fructose else's metabolize the enzyme that metabolize. Fructose is called fructose kindness. And when that metabolize fructose it consumes the. ATP IN AN UNREGULATED WAY. So if the SAL sees a Lotta fructose the P. levels can plummet by forty or fifty percent percent in the cell and that signals a huge number of effects throughout the body. It's like a mayday signal. It says we're under attack. We're running out of energy and switches the animal into a condition in which they're trying to preserve their energy so they reduce their metabolism a reduce their expenditure arresting the energy expenditure. They shot the energy that they're eating. The calories salaries are eating into fat and glycogen as opposed to making more. ATP They're trying to protect the body by putting you into a system where you try to store fuel it triggers hunger and thirst. That makes you wanNA eat more so you eat more to restore the energy but at expense that you're shutting much of it into fat and into fuel storage so fructose turns out to be used by animals as a mechanism to store fat. Normally animals will regulate their weight beautifully. They just maintain their weight. Normally if you take an animal and you put a tube down its throat and give it extra food to make a gain weight if you take the tube out the animal go right back to its normal weight if you start an animal and so it's below its normal. Wait and then you let it just eat. It will eat back to its regular weight but when it wants to gain fat it will do so usually through mechanism that involves fructose fructose. So what they do is they like a hibernating. Animal will start eating a lot of fruit in the fall to increase. Its weight and increase induces uses insulin. Resistance it gets hungry drops its metabolism. So that most of the energy at each goes into fat and same thing with the long distance migrating grading bird. They'll start eating fruit to get the fructose. And so this is a very common patter and it's driven by that. ATP EP depletion and this is distinct or in parallel of course to this year case mutation so they can you separate these two phenomenon in other words if you can and restore your a case to the non mutated version do you still have this problem around the ATP depletion yeah so the ATP depletion triggers a series of reactions and what happens with the key one is not only does ATP decrease in the SAL but intracellular intracellular phosphate also falls on that activates an enzyme called amp the anthonys that converts the broken down product of ATP pitches amp and it converts it to uric acid and that process has multiple steps. And we know that that whole pathways involved in the generation and stimulation of fat diet. Insulin resistance fatty liver elevations in blood pressure a variety of effects. The facts and that pathway is what seems to be critical for inducing obesity from sugar. Let's go through that again because that what you sort of talked about at the very end is effectively. The thesis of your book the Fat Switch. You explain what. ATP is a denizen Tri Phosphate in the tea. Of course dancer try or three phosphates. It's the liberation of a phosphate. That is the production of energy. So when you need to breathe you need to move when you need to do anything you have to turn a tee pee into a DP so the chemical reaction is dancing. TRIPHOSPHATE becomes a dennison. Di Phosphate one phosphate escapes. And that's what gives us the energy. Now that can happen again. A DP can lose lose one of its two remaining phosphates and become a. m. p. identifying mono phosphate which you said after is the really critical critical article piece of this. which is when you have a molecule of identity mono phosphate it stands at a proverbial fork in the road? It can either go down a path that is driven by something called a. m. p. k. or amp kind is or can go down the pathway of amp de now. Let's go back to this point because I again. It seems everything comes down to that choice. What happens if amp goes down the am PK pathway versus the amp deep? Pathway yeah so if it goes down the amp K.. Pathway it actually is burning energy. It's burning fat. It does a lot of really positive things if it goes down the aim PD. Pathway it goes down a fat storage urge pathway. So it's their exact kind of opposites. amp if you stimulate. It will cause insulin resistance and eventually diabetes whereas if few stimulate amp K.. You can actually use that. Med Forman to actually treat diabetes so that fork is critical. And what drives that switch. Is the fall in interest siler phosphate. And the reason that phosphate falls is because it's taken up in the fructose one phosphate are taken up by fructose. So so the fructose gets phosphor elated by the ATP and it becomes fructose one phosphate. That's equestrian phosphate and there. Is this process where both. ATP EP levels fall and interstellar phosphate falls in that triggers this aim PD pathway. And if we interrupt the pathway we can black a lot of metabolic effects do other animals also have this phenomenon. Oh yeah no we can show this. We actually showed it in hibernating squirrels so when a squirrel girl wants to gain weight it will activate the pathway for am PD when it's hibernating burning fat it activates the P K pathway athlete. I got it so even though humans are most close descendants in primates have the euro case mutation this ability to toggle goal between amp K.. And Ham PD is unique to any species that has the potential to gain weight and wants to use it to their advantage. I'll absolutely part of the pathway through which aim PD is working involves the generation of uric acid. So we know that the uric acid when it's going up inside the cell is doing all kinds of via logic effects in the aim. PD driving that there may be other things. Besides the uric acid so the hummingbird the squirrel can still store fat. They just don't get the bump in uric acid that comes with it because they don't have the euro case mutation. Well actually the Hummingbird does have the your case mutation or yeah. I don't know my evolution so breads HAB reply. Forget it it off. Yeah reptiles the case mutation even dinosaurs had the you're chasing sue the dinosaur tyrannosaurus rex. Actually she had got. I mean that's got to be. Why Renaissance Rex with so ordering because if you think of this is not rex? Great Toe I mean. That would be infuriating memory. Bronx Out there I think so. He's eating the broncos. Sorry sorry to get back into the minutia of this but I it's important. You still have to formulate glucose during its metabolism awesome. Why is it that the phosphorylation of Glucose during its metabolism to Peru doesn't result in a strong enough drop in intracellular phosphate to cause the same problem because has reaction stops whenever there's The phosphate and ATP levels start dropping a little bit about auto regulatory thing with the regulatory thing with the enzyme stops functioning it's inhibited and then allows the ATP levels stay normal so here's a really cool foul up of this and added. Sugar is much more likely to cause obesity if you drink it rather than if you eat it and the reason for that is. Is that when you drink a drink. That has fructose in it. We tended drink a lot in a short period of time. So if you have a soft drink you can drink now. Why does it have a lot of sugar? But we tend to drink it fast and so the concentration of fructose turns out to be high when it gets to the liver and it's the concentration that triggers this reaction so if the concentration of fructose is really low the ATP Pete Depletion may not be significant to drive dramatic metabolic effects but if the concentration fructose is really high. Then you're GONNA get a big big metabolic effect so eating like a candy bar where it's coming with lots of fat. Lots of glucose lots of all sorts of things lots of protein gene. You know if it's like a snickers bar in its got nuts or whatever even if it's the same amount of fructose even if you're talking about twenty five grams of fructose versus twenty five grams of fructose. There's you would drink very quickly. You're saying equal amounts of fructose can produce a different effect if both the speed and the concentration with which they arrive at deliver liver are different. Yeah it's the amount it's the speed and it's ultimately how rapidly it's absorbed so if you drink something if you take a lot of fructose like I mean candy is very concentrated fructose. I mean if you eat that for example Empty stomach that will be absorbed faster than you eat it with oatmeal. L. Or something. You know where there's five or and so forth and so the speed of absorption the makes a difference so for example if I was working for a High Fructose Corn Syrup Company and I wanted to prove that a soft drink wasn't bad. I could do a study where I would give the soft drinks. It's two people but I would give it over. You're only allowed to make a tiny sip every ten minutes. So takes you three hours to drink soft drink in that case the amount even though you drinking a lot the concentration may never be never let the phosphate depletion get significant difficult enough in magnitude that it really triggers amp. Yes that's it you know. It's really interesting. I think of all the sugar. The PRO sugar studies. I've read they are funded by the sugar industry. I don't think I've ever dug into the methodology to look at factors like that specifically. Well the other issue is thank you. Just take a single dose of fructose. Most of the metabolic effects are best. Seen like in the first four hours following the ingestion so the triglycerides strides go up and the uric acid goes up. The blood pressure goes up. But if you just do a single dose study if you then look the following morning or or the effects of now kinda come back down then you can't really show it in a lot of these studies. They design it that way so they say a high. Fructose doesn't raise uric eric acid but we measured it after fasting overnight but the surgeon uric acid occurred earlier. So that's the common trick so all these things you're talking about with. Fructose seem to fit almost directly into the five characteristics of Metabolic Syndrome which are elevated glucose. So that insulin resistance we'd be manifested is elevated glucose elevated blood pressure elevated waist waist circumference of storage fat elevated triglycerides. What you just said and the only one we didn't address is low? HDL L. Cholesterol which is the fifth finding that now. Of course three out of those five or sufficient to put you in the category but fructose does all five. What is the mechanism by? So you've already ready described the mechanism by which it does three of them we alluded loosely to how it raises triglycerides. But I'd like to talk about that more and then of course I'd like to hear how it lowers. HDL cholesterol draw. Okay so the uric. Acid generated by fructose has a very pronounced effect to stimulate oxidative stress. US in the Mitochondria and fructose also generates lactate big time in the lactate also has effects on my country's you learned from Dr Under Similan talk and in addition fructose preferentially decreases Mina conrail function and stimulates glycolysis Colossus. And so all those things. 'cause you get this big oxidative stress to the monarch Andrea and there's an enzyme in the mighty Qendra that drives his fat oxidation called. No Coy Hydra tastes. I mean sorry to throw it out. There is no no no no. We're here to talk about it. But basically the oxidative stress inhibits that so fatty acid. Oxidation goes down so you black fat burning and then in addition you black an enzyme called connotates with oxidative stress arrest the monitoring that increases citrate which drives fat generation. And so you end up with fatty liver. That's driven by both increase fats. Synthesis black and fat burning. The myocardial oxidative stress also is very much linked with development of insulin resistance and then uric acid is also the generated uric acid also causing oxidative stress to the islets to the pancreatic islets uric. Acid is actually harmful tillet. Cells of the pancreas in fact if you give sugar. We did a study where we gave sugar to animals. Where we we actually restricted the amount of calories? The rats were getting they were on a diet basically. They run a dire on a high sugar low calorie diet right and then we had as control. All rats cut the same number of calories but they weren't getting the sugar so just a low calorie low sugar diet. Yeah and when we gave the high sugar low Calorie Diet. It's all the animals develop fatty liver hypertension and insulin resistance. Did they actually gain way. No no this. This is a trick. Weight gain really requires increased calories really to show you know long term maybe just decreasing metabolism. We'll do it but this is interesting. You're saying doing both animals lost weight. Did they lose about the same amount of weight are they. MAINTAIN THEIR WAY. Even though they're eating ninety percent of what they normally they were able to maintain so both groups slowed load their metabolism enough to maintain weight at ten percent reduction of calories so in the outside they look the same but the high sugar groups still developed fatty liver severe and they all became diabetic. You Recall Study Rick. What the actual percentage of their macro that came from fructose twenty percent right so the critic will say well that's highly unnatural although in reality it's not that unnatural there are lots of people unfortunately walking around getting twenty percent of their energy input from that? So it's not physiologically completely out of wack but as a proof of concept and these animals got diabetes without gaining weight. They got fatty liver disease without gaining weight they were by definition insulin resistant right. And when we measured their insulin insulin levels. They first became insulin resistant with High Serum Insulin levels which is what we see early. Diabetes type two diabetes but over over time this serum insulin levels started to fall to the almost develop type one diabetes. Well just like humans do and what we size that the islets used to be. The phrase was called called islet exhaustion because longstanding type two diabetes. We see the same thing. But it's actually low grade inflammation in the islets knew we could show the low grade inflammation and it was associated with big time up regulation of transport proteins on the island and when we took doc isolated islets we put uric acid on him and induced oxidative stress and over time caused a drop insulin level. So what we think is going on. Is that sugar. Sugar Causes Diabetes through this pathway. That we've been talking about and it involves initially insulin resistance. But over time time it will cause islet cell dysfunction as well and this has been confirmed by other groups. Now that sort of comes to the triglycerides story right if you have a net accumulation China fat in the liver. You're going to have to export some of that in the form of El deal a very low density leiper protein so that would drive up the serum triglycerides. What's driving down the HDL cholesterol you know? I haven't studied that personally. I don't really know but I did see that. There are reports that fructose can lower. HDL like an animals animals and stuff. But I don't really know the Mecca When you SORTA pause for a moment rick? Do you ever worry that talking about fructose. This way just seems i. Don't I know what the word is. I don't think it's necessarily being too much of a reductionist but it almost seems too simple that this one molecule could simultaneously. Ania Asli have probably allowed our species to survive during this very cold spell six to twelve million years ago and obviously evolution. Shen wasn't thinking twelve million years into the future that we'd be flush with fructose and yet here we are today. One could interpret what you're saying to you mean if you simply had no fructose in your diet most of the bad things we think about metabolic would go away. Is that a fair assessment. Yeah I think that's true so let me give you another one where we've really learned a lot. I don't know if you're aware of the relationship with cancer but what we've learned and is that fructose was incredible survival nutrient in the setting of near starvation. So as I mentioned what we're learning is all all these animals use. Fructose either. Get it from their diet. Or they make it in their body and they use that to help them survive and we can talk about it but it involves not just storing energy but they use fructose to store water and we can talk about that and they use it. Become Insulin Resistance. Insulin resistance as a survival mechanism whereby increasing blood glucose and preventing glucose taken up in the skeletal muscle preserves it for the brain. Which is what you WANNA do? If you don't have enough food around you WANNA be able to think so. You can escape predators and so forth so it was a survival tool to increase energy and ended actually also protected animals from a low oxygen state so by switching by reducing my the conrail function and and stimulating this thing called glycolysis. It allowed the animal to survive with a lower oxygen state and so we know for example that the naked mole rat which lives in burrows very low oxygen bureaus. They make fructose to survive when they're in those bureaus so sally the fructose goes up in their blood and they use it to survive the low oxygen tension there because they switch from the cadre metabolism to glycolysis assist. But why can't they just rely more on glucose for which we have such an abundant apparatus to store it at large amounts. Is there an energetic. Jetted reason for fructose allow. The fructose is converted to glucose until lactate which can be converted to glucose and then it's driven through this glycolysis pathway. So it turns out though that what happens is when you metabolize glucose a lot of it will go through my to conrail metabolism and so if we can inhibit my counter metabolism cabbalism which uses action. We can live off glycolysis which doesn't require oxygen. So what happens is in a low oxygen state like the naked could mall rat will use fructose to survive cancers wait. I'm still confused about Rick. Because wouldn't that fructose. But they're they're not storing that fructose is fat then because that would be the worst fuel they could have around in low oxygen environment right. Well so fructose is increasing glycogen an and lipid. But it's also reducing. MICAHEL US when you're eating. Fructose you actually are are not burning. The fat you are storing restoring the fat. And then so what it's doing is putting you into a Glock Olympic state so animals use it to star fat and then they the fast and then they burned the fat so they hibernate or they go flying long distances where they have no food and then they switch and then the fat fat they stored suddenly becomes their survival but during the time that during a low oxygen state. They WanNa have fructose on board. Because the fructose this is helping them to survive low oxygen by switching their metabolism but unfortunately like cancers also live in a low oxygen state and so oh these cancers love fructose as their fuel because it helps support them surviving on the low oxygen state so recently it's been shown that many cancers colon liver kidney breasts brain all these cancer cells intestinal. They all tend to like liked fructose as their preferential fuel. There was just the paper in science a few weeks ago. If you block that fructose pathway. The cancers don't do as well now I'm use a block it. You mean blocked China's yet southward specific cocaine so if you take intestinal colon cancer you put high fructose criteria on it. They I love it. They grow they've metastasized. And if you black fructose kind ason black cryptos metabolism. You can black allowed of the growth of those cancers. Give a sense of how much you're blocking it. It's pretty remarkable. It's like fifty percent or more and we know it's the fructose not the glucose presumably because we don't impair glucose metabolism at all in that experiment. That's correct and also they were able to show that this was driven by that shift from Maya kind you'll based metabolism to aglet politic metabolism. And what happens to lactate levels in that sense very high like meeting the more fructose. They have the higher. The lactate level again very counterintuitive. Because aren't we you sort of tot that. The liver is the only organ that can really process for kto season that it. All sort of accumulates there and I mean conventional thinking is is that fructose really doesn't have much interaction outside of the liver unless converted to glucose correct that was said by a lot of people but the findings show that about about twenty percent of fructose is used by the intestine maybe forty percent by the liver and at least ten to twenty percent can escape into the circulation and of course if the larger the dose the more that will pass and the kidneys of big target. Fructose Heinsohn the brain is fructose tricked kinase in the islets. There's fructose kindness in the adipose tissue. Does the muscle heffer kinds. There's some thought that fructose kinds may be in the muscle. It's got to be very low but there's some thought that fructose is being metabolising those scale muscle and one of the things that's interesting is there was a paper in nature. Uh that showed that the heart normally doesn't have fructose But when you have a heart attack the low oxygen state there induces the fructose kindness. And there's probably production in dodge production of fructose and it seems to be involved in cardiac remodeling so it's probably involved in more things when we think of and certainly it's in the brain which means that in theory the brain could actually use free molecules of fructose to make kt P in addition to the mainstay of its Energy Metabolism which glucose driven and lactate. I think we're now seeing lactate various. Actually some evidence that first first off we know that fructose highnesses in the brain. We know the brain can make fructose. And there's increasing evidence that insulin resistances can occur in in just in the brain and maybe a four runner for the development of Alzheimer's and there are actually reports. That ain't Pedia Mesa's high in the brains of Alzheimer's these patients and it raises the possibility that local fructose metabolism could be involved in disorders like that. Are there any people with naturally occurring mutations in Tokai race that rendered less capable. Yes so there are people with a condition called essential fructose area where they are born without active fructose kindness and they live normally. No one's ever been reported to have type two diabetes or obesity. So these people. If I'm understanding you correctly are genetically immune to the harm of sugar. Yes in all the fructose. Yes okay so that seems to be an interesting topic. This must be very rare. It's a rare condition. They actually don't pee beyond all the fructose sound. Fructose can be metabolized by an enzyme called Hexagon Ace which is normally metabolize glucose. Fructose is preferentially for Anchalee metabolized by fructose Chinese to these people have very sweet urine going back to oastler had he tasted their urine. He would have confused them. Potentially with n even sweeter version and the people would ultimately type two diabetes. That's how they were discovered because they would have reducing sugars. which was fructose in the urine? That was picked up with the old tests. They used to use for diabetes. But then they didn't have diabetes when they tested him and these people could literally just consume all the sugar they wanted and their eric acids not gonna go up. Their blood. Pressure's not going to go up there. triggs don't go up. They don't gain weight. They don't become insulin resistant. That's right so is there any benefit to having if you're not hibernating hibernating or in a world where famine is potentially coming your way. It's really a survival enzyme. That was meant to help in situations where there was his food shortage. If you live in the Western world and you just have to go down to the grocery store no I think living without fructose kinase would probably solve a lot of the world's problems and there are fructose. Kindness inhibitors that are being developed. Pfizer has one. That's now in a finished. A phase two trial was quite successful at treating fatty liver and so now. They're taking that drug to face three. Wow that's a potential blockbuster. Actually of course it begs interesting question. which is how will that drug be treated will be only used as a way to treat an active conditions? such as fatty liver in which case it's GONNA and have a smaller on labor market versus. What will likely happen? which is people who just want to have more sugar without the consequences of it would take correct? Yeah although it's probably priced to avoid that guessing anyway. Yeah there's a lot of interest and fructose kinase inhibitors. There's other big Pharma that are working on it now and and so we'll have to see if it turns out to be as powerful as we think it might be so the work that we've just discussed is been you've been at this since two thousand to basically specifically vaguely with respect to this. Let's go back to our pure and all and uric acid in your clinical practice. Because you're still you've spent seventeen years as the division division head of nephrology across three world class medical centers most currently the University of Colorado. And yet I was surprised to learn over dinner the other day you so you still have a very pretty heavy clinical practice. You still actually take care of patients in the inpatient ward and you'd probably spend a quarter of your time in clinic. So how how do you put some of this stuff into practice do you. Liberally use Allah pure and all even for patients who have high uric acid but have not developed gout yet. I do so our data's data's strongly suggests lowering uric. Acid could be beneficial so what I do is the following so it turns out that Allah Pernell is not totally really safe. There's some people who can develop reactions to Allah pure no drug reactions especially Asians about three to four percent of people who are Asian can develop an allergic reaction to Al Appear in all where they can get rashes and it can be pretty severe. And it's about two percent in African Americans and it's about point five percent in Caucasians you can test for it. There's a test called the H. L. E. B. Fifty eight tests. But the point of the matter. Is that no drug is fully safe every drag has side effects so ideally. You'd want to really be certain that your drugs going to provide the benefit that you want and you have to consider the risks versus benefits now. Although in Animals L. appearance totally protective order protects a lot against sugar induced metabolic syndrome the data in humans is suggestive. So there's been for example for pilot studies showing improvement and insulin resistance with lowering uric acid in humans. All four positive as if there is a lot of trials and kidney disease showing that lowering uric acid may benefit kidney disease. There's data on blood pressure. We had a paper in the CHAMMA. Showing that on your gas could improve blood pressure control and adolescence with hyper Uresti Mia. So there's a lot of supporting data. There are some some negative studies too but the overall weight is now in favor of lowering uric acid to benefit. What would the target be? So what I do is when I see a patient in clinic I measure the uric acid and currently we know that the risks start to go up when the Serra Meteoric asses over or five point five so once they serum uric acids over five point five. They really start to have increased risk for prediabetes. Insulin resistance hypertension kidney it is easy etc and what's interesting is most labs like my lab for example doesn't even flag until it hits about six point five as sort of intermediate risk and it's really not until until about seven point five that it says. Well this his high risk but of course that's only through the lens of Gout. I assume yes. That's right. So if a uric acid comes back really high like nine or ten UH. I have no doubt that that based on everything I've done I've no doubt that that's not good. You're not only does it. Increase the risk for Gallup but increases the risk for kidney disease and all all these things and I talked to the patient about the pros and cons of treatment. I talk about the rash at tell him to stop the drug if they get a rash and then call. Oh me but I always start Allah piano when the uric acids like eight or higher and certainly when it's nine or higher when it's between five point five five and eight. I'll talk to them about the pros and cons but we don't have full proof yet but I tend to especially with patients with kidney disease where the data is probably the strongest. Start treating. I'll even do it with your a cast of six and a half for example with chronic kidney disease but anyway it's worthwhile discussing the patient but outside of that the risk of Stevens Johnson Syndrome. Which you've alluded to what are the other potential risks of L. appear and all that's by far the big one? Some people will get get just a mild rash without true Stevens Johnson Syndrome. They're rare cases where liver function test may be elevated but seems to be rare. If if you start at a huge dose right away it can increase Xanthi levels in the urine theoretically there could be representing stones. But but I'm never seen it. So it's really the risk of Stevens Jackson that and do you have to use Allah pure. And how can you use you laurich or other drugs that also lower uric acid well xanten accidents inhibitors of the best because the way uric acid works to cause cardiovascular disease and kidney disease and in all these things appear to be through its actions inside the cell as we said works on my condron. It does all these things. It's not. It's work outside the cell so gout it is really an extra cellular deposition. But when you're thinking about uric acid and it's biologic effects that's an intracellular action so Hosanna in today's makes your gas it inside the cell. So one of the best ways to reduce interest sal. Uric acid is to give his anti oxidation. SASON heavier like for bucks stat now for boxes stat. I think it's probably just as good as Al Paranoia but there was a big clinical trial that was published in the New England Journal Journal. That showed that Alpine was associated with less cardiovascular risk than for boxes sat there seemed to be an increase cardiovascular events in the FA buxom stack group meaning less of a reduction or more events. Let's see the problem was it was no placebo group. Oh yeah that's a disaster. That's a disaster. This is the problem. Yes naproxen yeah. Yeah I mean so. The problem is ella colonels last than for boxes. But there's no placebo groups. Theoretically the Placebo Group would be could be higher in both could be higher than both. And there's actually evidence that that's probably true but because of the care study the way it was designed we don't know so the FDA DA is worried about giving boxes to people with cardiovascular problems because they would prefer to give Al Panel but the travelers. It's not not necessarily it for boxes. Debt is bad. It's just that it's not as good as Al Pure and it's like one hundred thousand times more expensive too. Although it's I think becoming generic Eric now so we may see a change in that. I believe it when I see it. And of course you trust the generics. But that's a whole separate issue exactly so what about Sodium restriction going back to how we started the discussion. I'll tell you a story from a male even told us on the podcast once before but in medical school I remember when we were doing renal physiology. We had a great in nephrology professor. Who is teaching something and I think he was quite ahead of his time because this was more than twenty years ago and he was not part of this salt is bad had bandwagon even though he was in Rajasthan in? I won't do it because I won't do it. Justice but in a beautiful southern accent he made the point that if you lined up all of the a net franz in the world all the functional units of the kidneys in the world from dumbest smartest and then all of the nephrologist in the world from dumbest two smartest. And you took that that dumbest neff Ron and put it next to the smartest nephrologist. It's still smarter. His point being of course like the kidney is a brilliant Oregon that is exceptional at auto regulation of everything from flow to house malaria to anti catiline exchange. Again his point being he didn't buy this argument. That salt is the problem. You're saying something much more nuanced than I wanNA Kinda go back to it because I think there are important clinical implications of it. You're saying Komo. Salt does play a role but it's dose timing. Bolas concentration that matters it can also be amplified or mitigated the state of inflammation. So how do you then translate that information to your patients acknowledging that they're a very select group of people by definition may have kidney disease or they wouldn't be seeing you so it's the combination of salt and water. So if you don't drink any water as you eat salt you're gonNA raise your serum sodium. You'RE GONNA they get thirsty and soon as you're thirsty you've triggered that in itself is a sign that you're already making fructose from the salt so when you eat salt. You're you're making fructose in your body and the fructose is then driving a lot of facts now. We know that high salt diets are associated with obesity. Not just best blood pressure. There are associated with the development of diabetes. There's many studies now but high salt looks like it works by producing fructose. So if you drink drink water with salt danger assault is much less if you drink water. And then you you're pretzel you would be safer than if you ate your pretzel and then drink the water better because it would triggers is the rice and salt and so when you see someone that clinic we try to do is to tell them to drink a lot of water and Dan to reduce their salt but it isn't the amount of salt. It's the balance of salt and water. Now that can be sometimes challenging for patients in kidney clinic because because that would be one population in which you do have to be mindful of volume right but most patients with chronic kidney disease they will excrete water normally or just minimally abnormal normal. And so there's actually clinical trials looking at the evidence that water may slow the progression of kidney disease. It might be working in part by blocking the effects of salt and so forth on the kidney and we experimentally show that giving water can slow kidney disease progression so drinking water turns turns out to be good. Here's another thing. It turns out that many animals use fructose to make fat as a means for making water. So when you make fat fat although there's no water stored in the fat. When they burned the fat they make water so Wales? Don't drink saltwater V. or fat because when they break down the factor making the water we call metabolic water so it turns out that fructose drives fat production and impart to preserve water. Not just energy edgy. So animals will use that fat to provide an energy source but also to provide water so it turns out that if you take an animal on fructose and you give it a lot of water. You can suppress some of the obesity. You can suppress some of the effects of Metabolic Syndrome and so the old wives tale that drinking six glasses of water a day is good to help keep you. Skinny is true. It turns out that water suppress some of the effects of fructose. And does it need to be water. Could be tea or coffee or something. That's equally the odds. Malaria waters what serum is about to eighty. Yep Okay so anything with Shirow is malaria. He's good enough. Yes technically a diet soda should have zero added work actually for the record you and I are sitting here drinking just plain walk right and diet. Sugars have their own issues. So we'll come back to that in a few seconds. That's interesting so rick you sort of you. Toss these little nuggets out there. Like they're nothing in but they sound again just based on this sort of breadth of research you put into this. It almost just seems too good to be true and so profound yet used sort of throw it out there like can after the fact. Well look as long as you drink enough water. And don't eat fructose and God forbid. Don't drink fructose manager uric acid levels etcetera etcetera. You make make it seem like a lot of problems could go away from these things. How would you shape that advice for someone with normal kidney disease a normal kidneys? Would you basically just say the same same thing or can you be less restrictive with sodium for example. If we could reduce our fructose intake. I think it would have a huge huge fact but the problem that most people people faces that sugar high fructose Corn Syrup are an almost everything so if you go to the supermarket like seventy percent of processed foods have sugar in it and package foods actually. Seventy percent of packaged foods. Have Sugar High. Fructose Corn Syrup is so it's very hard to avoid it and here's another problem. Our bodies can make for dose so our bodies as I mentioned. We can make fructose from a high salt diet. We can make fructose if we get dehydrated hydrated. We can make fructose high uric. ACID stimulates fructose production. And we're making the fructose out of glucose in situation high glycemic diets. Normally really. If you take an animal and you give it starch. They will not really get fat but we all know that French fries. which don't have sugar in it? They don't have fructose luke dose. They are fattening. But you've got potatoes. Which Raise Your Glucose and what we showed is that if you just give glucose to an animal the high glucose us as it hits the liver induces this enzyme to convert glucose fructose which I miss that? The Converts Glucose Tau redact taste so we took mice and we gave them glucose and we were thinking we might not see much because we were believing that fructose is the culprit but over time these animals really fat. They got insulin resistant. Everything but you had overfeed them glucose. The we put the glucose in drinking water so they were drinking a lot of glucose but they would eat less chow so we gave them Chow and glucose in their drinking water and Chow. Had it was normal. Child wasn't the high fat high sugar chow. No just regular and these animals start getting really really fat and when we looked at the Pardo vein which goes into the glucose levels were high and when we looked in the liver ver- we found that this enzyme was activated. It's also acted in diabetics for example because of the High Glucose in the blood and when that enzyme got activated it started to make fructose so even though these animals were eating no fructose. They were producing for dose in their liver. And then when we blocked there fructose metabolism. They're eating the same amount of glucose no change exactly the suddenly. They're not getting fat they have. I have no fatty liver. They're not insulin resistant. But this suggests rick that a diet in excess carbohydrate. Even if it's not high in sugar could lead to Fatty Audi liver disease. Yes yeah absolutely if you have that enzyme induced but let's say that you are young person when you're young the sends I'm time is really not present in the liver once. You're eating sugar though. If you eat a lot of sugar it will induce that enzyme for how long I don't fully know but let's say that you eat a lot of sugar and you get obese. So sugar itself. It looks like the induction of this enzyme probably would be reversible within a few leaks but once you're uric acid goes at that will keep it elevated so that's another reason potentially to use Allah pure and all if necessary in addition to fructose restriction. To to keep your Iq acid low his to prevent or mitigate the induction of this enzyme right so it turns out that if you give starch picture potatoes to a skinny person who does not have all those reductive induced. They can eat the potato. Say What Ireland back. In the seventeen. Hundreds stories were potato was basically. The main thing they're eating there wasn't a lot of obesity. But you wait until you eat sugar and then develop the Metabolic Syndrome. Now you stop. Stop eating sugar but you continue to eat. carbs in the carbs are going to continue to activate through the same pathway. So a low carb diet is really great because it's necessary if you're overweight or fasting but that's basically reducing carbs too but a low carb diet when you're overweight is removing being the high glycemic carbs. That are also driving the disease. But it's true fructose so it seems that for tax reduction obviously comes with its own benefits. Do you have a sense of how much for does can be produced in a fructose. Free Intake Environment just from glucose is it a meaningful amount. Well are we did our study by putting glucose in the drinking water. They're getting a lot of glucose we haven't done this. Study is the one that you're talking about trying to figure out what the range is. I do think that if you just give high glucose alone probably have to give a lot but if you've already triggered the production of this enzyme Alba's redecked as you probably don't have to give a lot. What about fat? What if you did the same experiment with rats or mice which would be hard to eat? Pure fat is difficult it but if there is a way that somehow you could make it palatable enough that they could you could overfeed them to the same extent using fat and protein. Let's getting a normal amount of glucose but the overfeed was coming through the fat with that induce any of these properties in other words is due to an absolute sense of total energy being being too high or is this really about a particular carbohydrate. It's definitely about a particular carbohydrate because we've actually done what's called pair feeding where you control. How much they they eat? And you can have your control group. The strictest effects will still as I mentioned. 'cause fatty liver you explain. What pair feeding people? Because it's a clever little tool done in this type of research so the way fructose works is it works by making you eat more and that's how you gain weight but even when you control so that you don't don't eat more. Fructose will not cause weight gain but it will cost fatty liver. Insulin resistance and diabetes and so forth the way we can show that is by Perr feeding in in Paris feeding we give each animal eats the same amount of food so if you have one animal sugar which normally makes it want to eat more because it causes is is this thing called Leptin resistance where they want to eat more but if we don't give them any more food we only give them the same amount as the control then. The will be no difference in weight. Wait but there will be differences in Fatty Liver Metabolic Syndrome and so forth. The sugar industry has used this to their advantage. So what they say is okay. Okay we're GONNA look at clinical trials where we've given sugar and we're going to see if sugar causes weight gain but it's only fair to do that if we have it controlled where we control troll the energy intake to be equal among groups so they have a control group. Were they restricted. There's a caloric restriction on both sides so you have a high sugaring at non high sugar group but it's not where you get the people get to eat as much as they want. Basically this problem of not having ad-lib feeding so it's sort of like what the sugar industry is saying is. Look a calorie is a calorie. If I give you a hundred calories of sugar and completely control what you can eat in response to that compare you to another person. WHO's eating the same number of calories? You really not going to gain weight than the problem with that experiment is it's not the real world in the real world you. You don't have a clamp on your response exactly. It's so when you give sugar to animals. They become Leptin resistant over time and they lose their ability to control their our appetite so then they eat more and so then their weight goes up but the fructose is also doing stuff. Where even if you control for the weight gain they still get the fatty liver and staff which the controls don't now a second you sort of alluded to artificial sweeteners? So comparing amateur you get. This question asked all the time by your patients. which is I just really love? Coca Coca Cola is having a diet coke. It must be significantly better right. I mean there's no fructose in it there's no glucose in it so is there a downside to it. Yeah I think there right downsides but first let me just say the positive side. We have taste buds. That sense sweet and so when we eat sugar the taste. Ace Buds are activated and it stimulates this dopamine response in the brain. That tells us that we like this sugar if you Actually knock out the sweet taste. Buds just knock out the tastes. In general animals will still like sugar. They will still eat. Sugar a Lotta sugar sure. How hard is that to do experimentally to knock out the sweet tasting capacity? It's been done and we actually have also done it where we knock out all tastes. Can you do it to me. It's like it's like a genetic knockout but anyway these animals will still like sugar but they won't like artificial sugars so the artificial sugars really driven by the sweet taste but what makes animal like real sugar is through. Its metabolism. I mean it is true if you knockout tastes as they will tend to eat less sugar but they actually still develop metabolic syndrome. That's super interesting. So you're saying part of our affinity for sugar is not just in our taste buds in our brain. But also in our periphery where the metabolism takes place in the elegant way. You demonstrate that as you give something of equal sweetness this concentration that's non nutritive and you completely reduce the appetite for it even though it might have the same central effect it doesn't have the peripheral effect. Probably the sweet taste bud developed to try to encourage us to eat these foods that at the time were survival foods but the food itself. The sugar itself stimulates dopamine and other facts independently of the sweet taste whereas an artificial sugar just as is activating the sweet taste. Now if you give a mouse or rat artificial sugar. They don't gain weight but if you give him regular sugar they do so. There is some evidence that artificial sugar eggs are better than sugar. And if a person says to me Oh doc I'm afraid afraid to drink this diet coke because it's got chemicals in I want a drink regular coke because of that that's an error. Regular Coke is more more dangerous than a diack however there is truth that things like aspartame sucralose. We don't know fully the safety of these aspartame when last I checked had been studied more by the FDA than any other molecule ingested by humans. It's hard to make the case that at the small doses that people would consume them. I'm talking about someone who has a serving of this stuff a day. I don't know I've always found that argument. That what we don't know. Oh the full safety profile of these things to be as like what else do we need on this one. I think aspartame Kinda gross truthfully like I don't really like it that much but it just think it's definitely the lesser lesser of two evils. Isn't it. It's definitely the lesser of two evils that parts for sure but we don't fully know the safety of some of these like Saccharin for example has been associated little bladder tumors in mice. My recollections that aspertain Khun generate small tiny concentrations of formaldehyde. I think it really comes down to dose. Yes I think. Those the studies were really based on rats. Rodents consuming doses that simply couldn't be replicated by humans that's probably true nevertheless water's good. Yeah that's generally been my take two people as well as look all things equal by certainly consume water. T- things like that but yet there's this lesser of two evils approach. But this point you made this is completely news to me in very interesting because certainly much of the neurobiology today would suggest that the response we have to sugar is mostly centrally mediated the quote unquote addictive because everyone loves to talk about functional M. R. I.. And what happens in your brain when you're eating sugar and all of these other things but I guess I haven't seen the side by aside but presumably the FM are I would light up the same for non nutritive versus like aspartame in Sugar Korea. So let's talk about another taste. which is Hamami? I remember. We were having Sushi one night when we discussed this. What is Mommy? What does that taste so who mommy is the savory taste and this is different from salt? Isn't it so. There's five taste buds so their salt sweet and as I mentioned both of these tastebuds seem to drive awake game. Sugar is by far the the fastest. It takes only a two months in a laboratory. Animal and salt takes four months five months so high salt generates fructose but it's much slower lower prices than just eating sugar. Then you have a mommy. which is the savory taste and then you have bitter and sour and the bitter and sour probably developed to help you avoid eating certain foods so coffee is an example of bidder like a coffee bean or something like a grank so yeah okay anyway? So Mommy is driven by glutamate but it's markedly enhanced by -perience like imp and even uric acid. So it turns out that Mommy is sort of a taste. Receptor for uric acid type foods foods that raise your gasset now is. MSG The purest form of Amami. But we would eat yes. MSG Street is the primary stimulant and people put it in foods to encourage food intake. Now there's some link of Amami with obesity in Epidemiologic Studies. And there are situations where you can give mommy type foods and especially if you can do it in a liquid form you can induce so be city so mommy may not be as safe as we think it is so it's got a lot of good things written about it in the literature. Don't most people view. MSG IS EVIL. I think MSG viewed as evil but that seems to be largely unfounded based on my view of the literature right. I can't really find evidence that he mommy is harmful. There's this Chinese Restaurant Syndrome where people get a warm in a headaches and thought to be due to excessive MSG but foods that are Amami rich are often foods that we love. I Mean Shrimp Has Mommy Caesar Salad the Parmesan and things like that. Have Your Mommy. And so in general people like Oh Mommy Foods and it certainly in the Websites it is often promoted. But if the Amami foods have appearing which enhanced the Amami Flavor it actually may raise uric acid in kind of bypass the sugar pathway and we think think that that may turn out to be some other risk factor too. So do you add this to the list of things that you caution people about. We've already got the pair your salt with water idea the restrict fructose in please. God don't ever drink it do you. Then add the MSG containing -taining high you. Mommy foods that playbook for ways to reduce metabolic disease I think so. Yeah I think that food's like shrimps and things like that if you eat a lot of them probably activate this pathway to we're still trying to learn more about it but it looks like it could be a contributor WTMA. I think it's if you rank it. Number one is is sugar and then everything else is less high glycemic. CARBS can be converted converted to sugar what I usually say as the big four are bread potatoes Champs and rice. Those are the food food that you should reduce a little bit chips as in like chips potato chips potato chess. You're given potatoes two votes out of four. Yeah according chips there you know you gotta gotta the kind of things that people put out on their table before you and and they coat it with salt. which isn't good anyway? So so high glycemic carbs. I think really salty foods drink water. I mean that's really important and Hamami so for example. What makes beer so much more dangerous than other alcohols for inducing? Obesity is because beer has all this eastern it breweries which basically is activating the mommy pathways. And it's one of the reasons we like beers that cellular density issue you spoke exactly and so a beer here raises uric acid more and there really. Is this beer belly syndrome and if you look at people who drink a lot of beer it isn't just they get abdominal obesity. They get fatty deliver. They get high blood pressure triglycerides. Go up they basically have metabolic syndrome. Alcohol especially beer can also mimic mimic sugar. And it's probably because of the Amami component coupled with the alcohol those two this is the part that can sometimes drive a person insane when they're trying going to think about all of these things is. It's very difficult to provide clear advice to people because there are so. Many caveats are required. Because the dose makes makes the poison the speed of delivery what it's combined with all of these things. I'm using that as a preface to ask a question that I'm sure you get asked a lot which is really a dose question around on fructose. So let's ask into questions if a person is going to drink something in the form of fructose whether it be fruit juice or soda or sports drinks which took from a fructose standpoint all basically the same. Is there a dose of fructose above which you think it really makes no sense under any circumstance or below which you think once in a while is not the another world I mean personally I would not drink any liquids that have sugar in it. Fructose are high fructose corn. That's fine we're GONNA draw hardline. Their art line. Okay okay now. What about eating fructose? In the form of fruit cause remember. There's some big ass fruits out there like you look at a Fuji Apple. which is my favorite apple? I mean I like these monster Fuji Apple so like half the size of my head or maybe a third the size of my head. That's got to have thirty grams of fructose in it. I don't think it has that much a really. I really don't most apples else. And that would be a big one. Maybe ten grams at most. I would think no way you think more will think about it. These other really big ones not talking about a little McIntosh. I'm talking about to a huge apple. And they're so sweet so you may be right then. Let's talk about natural fruit so we've actually done trials in patients with low. Fructose does diet with or without natural fruit supplements and generally speaking natural fruit supplements do not seem to black the benefits of a low fructose die. So what does that mean. You mean that if you took a patient and restrict all fructose except fruit that's correct. They tend to do okay. They did just as well as the low fructose alot and can you quantify how much fruit fruit. Because here's the problem when you're talking to someone like me Rick. I don't do anything in moderation. So we have these bowls in my kitchen. They're called Manley Bulls which by definition a manly bowl is a bowl. All that you can wear on your head like a hat it will come over your head and when I consume fruit I consume it in that bowl. Yeah I would be careful so mainly bowls. Yeah so the data suggests asked that a single fruit. Maybe not the jacket say a lifetime. Single single fruit has some fruits like Kiwi. In Lime and lemon have almost no fructose. And they're totally safe and other fruit. Sign Apple when stuff. You have a fair amount of sugar berries for example blueberries so so many good things in it. You can eat a big bowl of blueberries raspberries. Strawberries are all other berries. In general are very good grapes. They have a fair amount on a sugar. You eat a bowl grapes. You'RE GONNA probably raise your uric acid and triggered the activation of this past year. Bola Grapes as eating raisins based on what my blood glucose meter. It tells exactly what I would recommend is to try to not eat too many fruit at one time. So for example there was a lady. Lady named Knots Cheryl nuts believes her name and she's an anthropologist and she was studying Iringa tanks and there's a time when the massing season where all these fruit trees trees bloom and then fruit at the same time and then he's Aranka teens go in there and they won't eat one fruit belly hundred fruit at one time. Hi I'm descendents of those Orangutans Metoo so anyway. When they what she did is she would go up and collect the urine off the trees and show that by measuring things like ketones and so forth? She could show that when they're eating the fruit they were actually impairing fat oxidation and they were storing energy and their weights. Go Away A- and it's because they ate so many fruit. If you eat one fruit you're not GONNA do that but if you eat a huge amount of fruit and get all that fructose. It will start to overwhelm the the good things and fruit. But there's so many good things for there's vitamin C there's EPI catechin and Flavin all's and potassium and all these things that help fight fight the effects of So we generally for patients that have non alcoholic fatty liver disease. We tend to restrict them to ten grams. A day of fructose. Only only in the form of whole fruit do you think. That's overly stringent or. Is that reasonable. I think that's wonderful. If they can do it it basically comes down to you can have a bowl of berries. Komo bananas apples none of high fructose fruits or even large fruits. How do you handle this with your kids? You have two kids. They're not that young anymore but they were young during the time in which you are learning all of this stuff. How did you balance the knowledge that you have? It sucks when your dad knows more about sugar than almost any any human on the planet and your kid and we're wired to want sugar. How did you balance the sane delivery of this knowledge to your family so first of all things like birthdays days and stuff? I let them have birthday cake but we try to make sugar free splendid type cakes at home so if we make cookies or cakes at home we try to use. It's funny now. They're still high carbon. Your can be chocolate in it. Occasionally you know so they do get some exposure to sugar. We don't give them fruit juice and we don't give them soft. They are not allowed regular soft drinks but they can have a diet soft drink. I have a twelve year old and a fifteen year old. What we try to not to be so restrictive that it's let's disruptive but we try to be encouraging them to understand that sugar is playing a big role and obesity and diabetes and that's unhealthy deal? At what age do you think kids start to. I think that makes sense which is to me. It's much more important that you would explain to your kids why you might be putting. These rules was in place as opposed to just come down as authoritarian. Sort of. This is the way it's GonNa be. At what age did your kids start to understand. That dad wasn't just being a pain but there's a real reason that he's in the short run asking us to make a sacrifice also. I've been involved in local school programs and there's a foundation called living closer foundation that I worked with where we've gone into schools and tried to teach children elementary school to learn from fourth through sixth grade. We try to teach them how to look at labels on foods foods to understand the amount of sugar. We do a game where we have someone come up with a cup of tea and addict spoonful of sugar to it and the person likes it and then we say okay. Now we're going to make it like a soft drink. Can we put in. The eighties was sugar. And it's like you can't drink it but that's the equivalent of what is in a soft drink of the same volume by the way. Do you think the carbonation masks some of that sugar when you put it that way. which is a great way to do it? I never thought of that experiment. It's almost grotesque. It is it's a great way not kids but but you think the carbonation makes it a little easier to consume such a high amount sugar in a soft drink. I suspect so I haven't tested but I suspect phosphorous acid. Something else in there that makes it more palatable. Yeah maybe it's the carbonation probably is what about dried fruit. So no you know. It was so disappointing when I realized that dried fruit was the fructose of fruits without the good things things in it so when you make for a lot of the good things in natural fruits are lost. It's like pure fruit towns. It's disappointing the point because I love dried fruit but I realize it's not the best food for you now if you're out hiking the mountains and you're spending a lot of energy maybe it's good. Yeah Yeah exactly. That's the thing I've always got a kick out. Two things have amused me to no end. One is trail mix. The other sports drinks trail mix probably makes sense. When you're mountaineering sports drinks rinks might make sense when you're a professional athlete but paradoxically most trail mixes consumed off? The trail in most sports drinks are not consumed by athletes actively he playing sports so again. The dose makes the poison context matters absolutely true or rick. This has been awesome. I want to be mindful of your time and I know that this is a non clinical day for you which every minute we're talking you're not in your lab and I want you to get back to the lab so I wanNA thank you very much again. Not just for this discussion today. which which for me is super interesting and I think the listeners will agree but much more importantly for the work you've done you've taken a very different approach to quote unquote the war on sugar? You're less involved in the policy side of this and the sort of advocacy side of this. But I think what you are work has done is created the strongest strongest scientific foundation to the harm of fructose. And you've done it in a largely I say this complementary way but in a largely unceremonious Ramona's way which is you sort of head your head down and a lot of people don't know who you are so I did more people become familiar with your work because you're I mean your CV is comical in terms terms of like it's like every week you seem to publish something in either Jama. At the New England Journal Medicine the paper. We talked about yesterday which we can't talk about today because it's not yet we're we're not there yet. I look forward to seeing that paper in science hopefully in the next six months. But that's an unbelievable tour de force that almost requires US coming back to talk about it so well thank you very much. That's very kind words. Thank you really enjoyable. Thank you thank you for listening to this week's episode of the drive if you're interested in diving deeper into any topics we discuss. We've created a membership program that allows us to bring you more. 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#141 - AMA #18: Deep dive: sugar and sugar substitutes

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#141 - AMA #18: Deep dive: sugar and sugar substitutes

"Lou everyone welcome to a sneak. Peek asked me anything or ama episode of the drive podcast. I'm your host peter. At at the end of this short episode. I'll explain how you can access the ama episodes full along with a ton of other membership benefits. We've created or you can learn more now by going to peter t md dot com forward slash subscribe so without further delay. Here's today's sneak peek of the. Ask me anything episode to ask me anything. Episode number eighteen once again joined by my head of research. Bob kaplan in today's episode we talk exclusively about sugar and sugar substitutes have been awada questions posed about so many aspects of this questions that are follow ups to the. What is it about sugar that so bad is sucrose worse than high fructose corn syrup those types of questions. What about naturally occurring sugars. So we we tackle a bunch of those questions and then the other half episode gets into all the substitutes for sugar which are largely broken down into three categories. The non nutritive versions those are things like aspartame and stevia which again you could further subdivided naturally occurring versus synthetic the alcohol sugars an actual sugars. That are not sugar such as close. And that's a question that has come up specifically so i think anyone interested in alya lows which i've talked about in the past will find this episode very interesting so without further delay. Hope you enjoy ama number thirteen. Okay peter how you doing doing awesome man. Unfortunately i didn't get a name to put up was going put on cleon daskalakis as my username for this one for this day keeping with the threat of eighties goalies that one stumps me man backup goaltender for the boston. Bruins i want to say a mid eighties. Eighty four eighty six. He might have played double digit games. I think he's from boston. Went to boston university. I remember and backed up either. Both these people peter's and keen sources. Yeah prior to the bill. Ranford and andy moberg days the sloppy seconds from the edmonton oilers. Well we've got a pretty good one here for today bob. We're gonna talk about sugar and probably do so in a way that i'm guessing. Most people aren't prepared for the depth. We're gonna go into on both sugar and artificial sweeteners. Because we have just been getting so many questions on this topic that i think we decided collectively don't scattered this information to broadly and do it in sort of a half-baked way like let's put together kind of the all singing all dancing place where to exist both in audio form and also with show notes and the team's been working pretty hard on assembling minutes. So where do you wanna start this discussion around artificial sweeteners. Sugars what he thinks. The best way into this probably talk about sugar. In general i think a lot of the questions were one was on aalyah laos in particular but really been some of them are on safety. Are these non nutritive. Sweetener safe are all sweeteners. basically the same or are they more or less they all created equal. So it's probably makes sense to back up and talk about sugar and what that term actually means. Yeah and we actually had a sunday email that kind of covered this topic because as we were putting our thoughts together for this ama we realized that we should also at least put some of those together in the sunday email. So yeah let's take this step back and talk about sugar and this is a is you know bob you've known me for. I don't know ten years. This is a sore spot for me. I hate inaccurate nomenclature. It really really grinds my gears so unfortunately the word sugar just upsets me. It gives me a little bit of chest. Pain tons of consternation. I don't like it. I don't like talking about it but i'm going to explain why that's the case. The reason i'm frustrated by this terminology is it means a lot of different things and all of those things can be. True glucose is a sugar. Galactosyl is a sugar. Fructose is a sugar. Sucrose is a sugar as you mentioned. Aloes is a sugar now to lump all of those things in one category is unhelpful. So what i instead want to do is get folks to sort of think about these things through the lens of molecules and less through their names in other words. It's sort of like if you're trying to evaluate a hockey team. It wouldn't be very helpful if you only thought of them as. Hey that's bob. That's peter that's richard. That's nick it would be more helpful if you could think. That's a goalie. He's pretty good. He sort of does this. he does that. That's a defenseman. He plays this way. He shoots this way by other words. Think of them through their basic attributes and not through the most generic nomenclature of their existence. Okay so let's start with the two monomers that we care most about glucose and fructose. So what i mean by monomers. So monomers means these things form the simplest building blocks of carbohydrates now both glucose and fructose actually have the same chemical formula which is kind of interesting. Isn't it in other words. They have the same number of carbons the same number of hydrogens and the same number of oxygen so if you looked at them in their chemical formula they would both be see six six carbons h twelve twelve. Hydrogen os six six oxygen 's. They're obviously not the same where we'd give them. The same name glucose is arranged in a six carbon ring whereas fructose is arranged in a five carbon ring and one of those carbons hangs outside the balance so it sticks outside the ring and it turns out that makes all the difference in the world that to me is one of just the coolest things about biology and biochemistry specifically is even the minor tweak can have a profound difference now. I can go into this in huge detail today but bob. How many podcast to we have. Where we've touched on the difference between glucose and fructose rob laws digging talked about it. Rick johnson is another one where we talked about glucose versus fructose. This will be the two best right. I think rob less. Dig and rick johnson do an exceptional job explaining. Why all things. Equal if you just have humans or mice or dogs or canal's and force fed them glucose or fructose to their hearts content even though they're the same chemical formula and very similar chemical structure. They would have dramatically different metabolic effects now. We rarely consume fructose by itself. We often consume glucose by itself in the sense. That win starches are broken down. They often end up in the form of glucose. So if you're eating a bowl of rice or consuming pasta that will often break down from more complex starches into simple monomers of glucose but usually when you're consuming things that are sweet. I e things that contain fructose. They come with a dose of glucose as well. So if you're eating an apple or consuming honey eating a mango. You're getting some balance of glucose and fructose in that fruit and as a general rule the sweeter it is the more fructose it has okay is glucose a sugar. Yes is fructose a sugar. Yes are they the same not even close when people use the word sugar. I think the first thing that jumps to mind is probably something that is technically referred to as sucrose sucrose is what happens when you take one molecule of glucose and one molecule of fructose and put them together co violently so that means they are bonded together. And you now have what's called the die sack ride and as the name suggests that is what happens when you take two mono saka rides and merged them and you get this die sakarai. The easiest example of where sucrose exists is refined sugar. So when you look at white granulated sweet sugar. That is exactly what sucrose is. And the easiest places that we get that are the refining it out of things. Like canes and beets and things like that. And i remember as a kid actually when we would go back and visit my grandparents guys out working in the field were picking canes and i remember sucking on those canes like there is no tomorrow and i just couldn't believe how good they tasted and the reason they tasted sodium good was just main lining sucrose out of these very fibrous canes. I remember this like it was like chewing on a stick. You can extract the sucrose out of that just as you can with beats and that's how we make sucrose. I don't know the numbers. Bob you might do. You have a sense of what the relative distribution of us consumption of sucrose versus high. Fructose corn syrup is not off the top of my head. Directionally isn't more high. Fructose corn syrup. yeah. I think it's like it's ebbed and flowed because i think if you go to the whole history but back in the nixon era. I think lustiger talked about this quite a bit. We had sugar and then we introduced high fructose corn syrup. Fructose the name. Fructose comes from fruit. It's a fruit sugar. So we all thought that fructose is almost like a health food and i think actually for diabetics as well remember this. That things like honey people say. Oh it's okay for diabetics because probably get into this. That fructose doesn't stimulate insulin. Secretion the way that glucose does high-fructose corn syrup. It's a four letter acronym but it's like a four letter word now but for a time. We almost started as a health food consumption skyrocketed in now. I think it's relevant probably to this conversation as well that there's been a turn towards almost back to quote unquote natural sugars. Which gets into the argument. You'll hear it often. That people will say we'll probably this is a question we'll get to. You're better off having the coke versus the diet coke. The diet coke is full of chemicals and the coke contains sugar. And that's something that we can naturally handle. We've got our blood sugar so again you talk about terminology and how that gets confused. But i think there was a really big spike in high fructose corn syrup and now i think that there's been like a it's almost supply and demand market-driven. Perhaps that people if they had the choice between high fructose corn syrup and sugar i think they now think that sugar is quote unquote healthier less deleterious and high fructose corn syrup. Yeah and. I'm glad you brought up a going back to the early seventies because it is kind of an interesting story which goes back to basically abs either embargo or some tariffs or something like that on sugar and there was this new technology i think being developed in japan that could effectively make something almost like sucrose but in a solution so instead of taking one to one glucose fructose and fusing these things in this die sack ride you could say hey look not just take us solution of glucose a solution fructose. It was not fifty fifty. It was forty five fifty five in favor of fructose. So that made it a little sweeter and basically you could produce this unlimited quantities. Problem solved and you make a very good point. Which was there was a belief and frankly they're probably still is a belief that fructose is better for someone with diabetes. Because you don't have to chase it with insulin. Of course not withstanding the fact that. Fructose does so much for insulin resistance. We're not gonna get into that much detail now because we'll get into it a bit more later and of course it's been covered exquisitely and beautifully by both rob and respect and. I think you're absolutely right that probably into the early two thousands high fructose corn syrup was the dominant sweetener added to foods. And there's been a little bit of a revolt and of course the irony of it it's been back to things that are more natural quote unquote. It's like oh. Don't give me your high fructose corn syrup. I'm going to eat my dried mangos and my dates and even sucrose has probably better. So let's move on to that point. There's another distinction that most people have probably noticed when they look at food labels which is sugars and added sugars. A properly adherent food label will list both it will say carbohydrates fibre grams. Sugar grams and beneath that added sugar grams. So what do all of those numbers mean. Thank you for listening to today's peak. A episode of the drive. If you're interested in hearing the complete version of this ama you'll want to become a member. We created the membership program to bring you more. Indepth exclusive content without relying on pay. Dad's membership benefits are many and beyond the complete episodes of the ama each month. They include the following ridiculously comprehensive. 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Episode - 16

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Episode - 16

"Welcome back everyone to the shuts. We've cats podcasts. Here with mark. Dan and myself rick and boys. I'm getting out. It's official now of had back shoes for wall. But the most innocuous thing i did the other day holding my son up and just lifted him up a little bit backward and just completely fucking gave away and not a not like her you back or something like that later on that evening i was literally trying to hold my dinner plate of food and i could not even hold it like try to lift it up off. My lap couldn't hold the you'll sitting down muldoon sitting down on the catch trying to watch the full list didn't play a little bit to have a couldn't do it. So you've done something like in the shoulder blade lifting kit up. How did you do it. What was the motion chop shop right. Yes shoplifting ran across the room. Just try to launch him into the mirror sitting on my show this in the mirror and easiest louder hegazy some of the ground dot any moment any moment at really good and just up slot and just on you just twist slightly wrong or something like that. Because i've done so many those. Where like leaning in jive as poor backup taking the hospital wheelchair. Cutting an orange paul monica dhamma back to dress for the may putting my built on once really back at got back from a holiday putting my bag that i have my clothes packed in literally just went on the bed back gone. You guys are scaring me because you have both in your theories of just turned thirty. And i'm selling have issues. Selling pines warm up for forty longer recovery longer. Is this sort of like. it's just when he got shoot. Yeah my god. That's that fun. Have you had ever had a serious back problem. I've always had back issues but it's always been well looked after if i'm willing to mind and the stretch and he's such a good point people always say back but i guarantee the exact same person that says that is not looking after themselves. Wasn't i found one stretch. That has now stopped me from ever pulling the same backup of always at the same time my winter backs worse than my summer back official. Everyone's winter backs. i actually. He's he's one foyer. Imagine imagine the crippling depression you get where you're looking forward to a trip to vietnam seven months and the day before you go you pull you back out and you can't even fucking walk terrible. That's lab and guess what you're still a much weight on the went on the trip calls. You went on the tree bata. He's the best thing. I said to my drum what i'm going on the trip as many drugs as you can get and and he was like okay. Well anita sample of now. He asks he goes. What are you taking. What have you had before. I taught in europe all the standards. You know he did. He gave me something to show up my ass. That looked like a fucking bullet from world war two. That is a doctor. Wants you to go on that whole exit. I don't know. I had to show this fucking canister up my asshole and i was actually really concerned about it because i'm not like an ask fain lot fingering myself off or anything like touch my ass never so this was. This was a really daunting process for me. I had a hard to go into a dark room to do it. Yourself lamb side lift up and then put it in and as soon as did on telling anyone at harmed has to do this process just fucking shit the bid everywhere i didn't it was just my asking what the fuck is going in. This is an amazing horse or something went winning there but then it said our did read the instructions like twelve times because those apparently but basically you need to sit there and let your ass. Suck it in like sucking. It apparently naturally got something about taking drugs in your stomach versus. Roll up your ass which most drug addicts shahada. So this is what i'd give it. Give you the vietnam vietnam but yeah it was very bad. Didn't do much else than the normal tablets. So i had to stop taking it and i was so thankful i just throw them out. Could not use them again. He said they worked really well. No they win in my ass really will then setting there and let me feel like i was going to shit myself ages so no. I couldn't do it. Who wants to be on an airplane knowing that they've got a fucking bullet penetrate their ass and coming out. It's bad i don't want to think about it much longer. But anyway i do get good after toyed is and enjoy the rest of the week so things about getting out the back going out. Don lock it. Skin tags now audit have skin tags. But what are you think of it. Skin tags cut off all this gross. I've been shocking skin tags. Ever since i was a kid. I remember in primary school in grade four. I was doing my work school and we had a relief teacher and she would lane iva shout at look. Look at what you. You're doing your workbook. Whatever and this woman had skin tags would just fall off but he made off who literally just fall off would be rotting and all of a sudden like you're no fucking terrified of skin tags is i would just be fall off my. Let me tell you. Skin tags not fully slighty had skin tags and enough ovum that they used to shed they used to just actually skin tags do fall off and i used to just drop off a lot talk absolutely disgusting on the last thing. I'm not looking forward to as they get older and been quarter purveyor of the poop pants. It just gets worse as you get older apparently shitting yourself but you should yourself now. How much worse is gonna get fucked. You're gonna go messy rick johnson. Hey this guy's shoot himself about four times in six holidays that we've been on. I remember leaving a nightclub in sydney with a euros pants and good anita guardship. My parents and my friend does with tom. We started laughing and joking and we saw in the road into a public toilet with the us and in twenty five minutes. He finished the year off before cleaning us. I don't know if you guys had this but when the only time off had diarrhea problems is when i'm traveling and all of a sudden overseas and there's a sudden change in diet immediately as soon as i entered the country in hundred percent. Diarrhea happened in london and happened in the united states. Doria does that guys. does that happen. Yeah absolutely it's the change in dot it's all about that i actually got food poisoning in toyland and it was the not of the most expensive restaurant we went to. And i'll try and get this as short as possible but basically we spent one hundred forty dollars. Something australian h had this open plotter and made they shaved off a sword and you basically just waved a white flag when you done. We ate that in the morning. The six of caught Little canoe add to these like tawny island meant to be perilous. Fucking wasn't to me a got there. All they had was his little hot-selling like bees. Or sodas and they had like to drop toilets and all of a sudden. I went grain and just wanted to fucking shit. My love away went to the toilet. A shot shot a shot. Al look around was the bucket of water. There's no toilet paper and just fuck this. I'm going in the ocean. So did the yo sheeting in the water and fucking lifted off. So bad luck. We're your friends that you were there with also swimming. That were taking photos of this happening of you shooting in the water. Yeah they just let these photo. I'll have to. I'll have to tell you aud. I thought okay that little tobacco was either. I've obviously something has agreed with me. We then plan to leave this little resort and go to a fish market select and fish and the restaurant will cook it for us on the way back. Assad fucking vomit. On the connotes or meditating on there we get to the fish market. Everyone's all look at that something vomit. That smells fact or his slimy octopuses. And all i can think about is. I've got serious food poisoning. So i picked out this fucking fish tyco and coca. I've gone to the restaurant toilet. I've been vomiting air and a half. And i'm what i need to get back to the hotel i get took. And if any of you guys have ever been on tiktok. It's not the most relaxing drive time. There's no air conditioning. Rockies fuck if the forty minute ruck where. I'm actually i should shut my finger my asshole to stop anything from coming bad. I don't know how i didn't spent the next day. Ima hotel room. Again and shooting vomiting cheating had a doctor code to the room and turns out. That always actually close to dying. Because i'd lost so much fluid. And i went to hospital. And they gave me like a bit two or three. Saline drips. big. Fuck off lonzo. Never even seen the source of him. And if i hadn't had travel insurance sales up for like two grand. Yeah so anyway. So nearly that hotel nearly have not only the of dance pu but the ghost of dan fucking bad and it's our talk. I would never want anyone to get these so if you did die there would you haunt the hotel. Because you're in that much of a hot actually leave the hotel and going haunt the restaurant and be like you should have thrown the. What flagging should've aw salami oregon guys. Do you guys have any stories that you can think of for me to say. Ghosts are real. Because i went up as long as a division is like those at sinar. There's no guys guys aren't real and then does that say there are and for a long time or have believed and i'm sure you guys are with me because you're normal you believe in goes i don't believe in god me neither thank you. I said you guys were normal. There's there's some things happen sometimes. And i think is there an occurrence where thanks to put rod in my mouth. Is there an occurrence where something can happen and you go. That is completely changed the why of you. If something's real not before any other stories e. I think the thing that makes you think more about it is all the stories say mark compli happened. It's like okay but it's a fucking story. Has it ever happened to you. Know not to me anyway. The thing is you have to. If you hear the story you have to be able to believe it from the person telling it because anyone telling a story could be making it up so he could go the source law source would not think he believes in ghosts at all but if they said i fucking story ghost it was right in front of me right point. I'm telling you are no. You're gonna think. Masako i. But i saw my first thought. Is we believe. I believe you but you have kids todd. Drunk type of conspiracy theorists of nine eleven came up to instead of saying ghosts. What would you say. Yeah blame you fucking nine. The story that i heard and my mom who's a. She's a nurse so her job is to go into people's houses and trade them for whatever condition. I have so wound dressing stuff like that and she went to this house and it was this old man who donated some sort of dressing or whatever and she was in conversation with this man and all of a sudden a voice out from the other room and it was a famous voice asking for some sort of thing or whatever and my mom's stopped and she said who is that and the guy said. Oh my god. Thank god you've heard that i'm happy. You've heard that you can hear it too. That is my ex wife calling from another room all this time of been waiting for someone to hear what i'm hearing so i'm not going crazy on. She dead or she just like not wanting to break up and he his wife and a few years ago and he constantly. He is her voice from the other room. Yes that's creepy creepy. The thing is you you listen to that story and you think everyone thinks even the listeners are bullshit story whatever but more mom i for a fact and this is where it's important if you hear it from someone that is genuinely fed income is not going to blow shit or craft on any might up shit right. This was legit. She heard the voice and he backed it up sighing. My wife's been dead for a few years. That voice that you've just heard that's my wife and i'm glad you've heard it off thinking i was the only one that could hear going crazy going crazy bit both. But have you ever been on a ghost tour. Now i've been on the road show on three and to be honest like i love the idea of ghosts it entertains me a what shaven ghost. Tv shows that apparently finding haunted houses and and they investigating a love. I'm all about it. But i don't believe in it and we're not going goes to tour on the guy that will see in dot greenbaum ourself and i'm not actually a little bit scared even though i don't believe in them but i want something to make me believe and boy into you're you're putting yourself as and you're saying if i experienced something. That is legit. I'm happy to boy into a and accept what happens. The worst person is like whatever happens. I'm not going to accept it. You need to have an open mind. The problem is that's the thing a lot of time with conspiracy theorist and a lot of people that gonna goes to her already put themselves in the mindset. They waiting all expecting something to happen. So if a door shuts because of the wind all of a sudden ghosts it wasn't the wind is just ghost and so you'll have to balance that well. I'm a realist. And i know you go as a sort of going down. The elliot's will to judge everything on its merits. That's important so have an open mind and any situation like that. Turn a blind eye to something but more importantly sort of accept something's happening just because it is but what's more important in that situation for you as the person. Witnessing this is at the door that closes or do you actually want to see something in front of you lock. Wha what is the evidence. I want an experience that i can go. That was cool. That's fun and then had. Would it telling someone tap on the shoulder i want. I want to grab on the ass. I want like something fucking really juicy like a poker from gross like even like a rube grab on the shelter in a whisper in the ear of unite. Like i want something really. Stick that supposedly of you're actually. That would have been a great help fucking fingering guys. That's like a delighted segue better than in the us seconds or something off. Pick me up. We're gonna rip off seconds. Gimmie three create dances. I one nine three ways to become. Yeah three ways to become unconscious get punched in the head car crash or holding. Long underwater drowning would have been great tom that way than it needed to joining these dead. You can go unconscious underwater from from your breath not obviously being offered. Maybe on a nine three things. Animals starting named three animals studying the let one ceres robert and a rock rafique rather and still can't even that's how it is rick. Apart from a job named three ways to make money onlyfans pawn and busking. I actually found a job. Here's the problem thorough germs but like if we're signing the lesser wrong answer. There's no correct wide answer that question. I would have preferred slot selling things recycling canes. Ibm he's a problem. Every market space. Everything's job if you might funny. I've given it to him because he came with three good answers so get another one name. Three animals starting the libby. Boston and buffalo. Good don ought to struggle with that pat on the back mark on the back. Very condescending here. We don't get this fucking be very upset. Name three types of one cabs have mullebeck merlo grenache temper. No more on mode on my thank. You could see one lava have we was that h. of only had two. Oh yes three three from three and for those this thing from for the best place in the world to drink red wine is wrought where we are now. in fact i think we're about a few kilometers away from karen val had good. Is it here. Yeah very good wanting to visit set the strategy and you read one. You've come to the right place last few. I'd like you to name three sports starting with the letter. Hey ch- hockey hula hoops and harder handle handle would have been a good one hundred. The thing about this is thanks. Dan thanks for joining a five seconds. It stuffs you up because you've got the answer is but you've you've only got the answers in fifteen seconds. I don't know who is really a spoi- something. I saw dan harley straight one on. I'd actually give him that if his did answer. I would have hockey. Hembo and hod chats. Geez it's really. It's really hard when you don't have a fucking second thing going. What actually Always writing something combat adele and apparently when she lost a lot of your white. Like all of these. We'd tops of exercise shoes. Doing lock hulu so crazy. She need to lose weight. But one of the things just to contribute. Now when i remember this adele great talent quite singer when she lost a whole lot of white she endured a lot of criticism by a lot of sell. Shall we say large fans that were not happy with her white loss. Hang on fat fans or her fans but fans fat fans angry. We can call them. Is that jealousy. Or what is that hard. Call it jealousy. I think it's jealousy. I think you know like When you look at it it's sort of like why are you laughing. We can't believe what he just said. Jackson you guys know where that's from. Just it was just funny chris. Crocker line Don't worry about it goes now. i'm when she did lose a whole bunch of white. She was criticized. And when i heard about that. I thought oh my god someone that is done. A really good thing for themselves gotten healthy loss. Why added ten years onto the likud. She's in the spotlight. She's received criticism from her fans. Fans i mean. I don't know but like do you think that connected with her not on the music but also our he's someone who's at and the public yes spectrum. Yeah and they're overweight yet confident but also themselves miss all these thing about so. They liked that k. Figure the staff and it makes them think like you know all i am okay wrecked. I'm comfortable within myself then of goodell. Who's a large woman. That is very successful confident and has achieved a lot. And when doubt. Liz always white. Everyone else is like she. I'm going to do that in that. Want to and i just. I don't like that because a human being should healthy At a healthy weight. He's he's a good question on the way on the on the way that we travelling at the moment. How long until you think. The would fat will be eradicated from the dictionary. Lot two weeks. I can honestly reckon by twenty thirty. That would call someone fat away so you serious dies and it'd be so many other words by twenty thirty that will be in that same range. We're getting soft our way to joke absolutely so but speaking about trolls been noticing recently. Not today with fat or anything. The adelaide crows saw fellow. Couple of the crows fan pages right. And there's a friend. Sorry we won this recently so too long anyway. Pretty good there's a bloke who i used to play cricket with who is a really duvet crows fan right and so we've had a. She lost year this year doing better but he's constantly like trawling. The is gone. If i have to listen to the word rebuild one more time and we're just letting matthew knicks get away with being a fucking failure and all this other stuff all sydell. Dan replying a much better brand football in the contest. Where about thirteen years old. And what these last you. I think from a lot of this at the moment with twelve o'clock that brought on just get over it. Get over it. So what do you feel. The need to be that troll on the internet. What is it achieving. Do you know what it does absolutely nothing and it goes to no one important. It's gonna go. That's interesting close maghera. Let me pose. Frank's thinks that we should be doing better. Is this is fine. Thanks daniel let me. Let me pose a question to you to these trolls that post. That don't have anything to would shave other than to others. What is their main objective to upset others. Think what what am. I want attention in order to get attention. What do they need stupidity and content prenatal response right in response now when you're on forum or video we're on the subject of ifm so let's stick with that so someone posted a comment and it's insulting it's unfair. It's just complete crap right when you read that you think oh pathetic like just fuck off and you say someone under the defending that comment putting them down returning serve. What are high is the people that are responding to these trials. They don't actually know what they're doing. Fading fading thought the part of the problem. Yep these people think that they're doing a service to the community all they're doing is making matters worse and does that trump that they commenting to gonna again. Why because they're getting action the satisfaction or attention this guy so annoying back to a few weeks ago when we were talking about parents being online for the first time and sing stuff and not knowing winter judger probably going back to that dill thing if you look at every person that is responding to these people i guarantee not paypal in twenty th th there people that knew the guy there the middle middle-aged or someone said something nasty. Let me be the hero in like what can defend when all they're doing is just creating the fucking problems you want also the other night i actually saw someone say something and it was a fully formed to someone said something ridiculous. Someone then corrected them some. Oh you're right. And then i went off onto another chat in the same talk and became almost friends. It was amazing literally. Hybrid say that it's very river is amazing. Let me give you an example cries of just one post crows successful. They came back by science american listeners. That went what we're talking about. Just pretend it's an american sport. Whatever so a positive post comes in someone. Comments of this doesn't mean anything. The kreuzer shit. The first person to comment back. No they're not you just be. That's the loser. That's the phya this word old foes down if that comment would have stay there as the cross sock and it was left at that and no one ever guy any get inch of attention. It's buried by buried and that person that wrote it goes on no to thirties shit posted on the internet down. Anyone this thing if you think you're a hero by replying comments and acting lot your some sort of special person. Defending a love is please. Stop here not one. But who could you be now could be drilled. You are troll your fucking mussa. Who got last. Week's may jared leto. All you did tell you on waiting for that so this surely should be yours. Are right so actor musician conspiracy. It could be a serial killer. No it's cool. Osama bin long. Not i was born on september. Twelve thousand seventy three in california to an american to american parents with mostly english as well as jim swish and ours. And swish swish raised. A mormon ad. Four younger siblings spent the majority of my early lawf- in sunland neighborhood of los angeles and graduated from village christian school a game again modeling career as a toddler starring in a television commercial for pampers aged to i appear in more commercials most notably for showbiz pizza in ninety four before beginning an acting career on television that that year appearing in attain series called school book paschal breaks special continued work in television into ninety nine six. Across a number of joiners i appear in two episodes of fantasy drama highway to heaven between ninety and ninety four and nineteen ninety six and secured my first leading role in ninety seven appearing as jeremy beatty in the sitcom throb continued to feature on sitcoms in early ninety nineties with guest role on child charleston change. Who's the boss and the short-lived what a dummy guessing. The mormon is a big clue. But i've just got onto our scared that would give it away. I began my career in ninety ninety six appearing mainly in low budget films. My first role was in the horror. Comedy monster in the closet. In nineteen ninety four starred in the tammy and the t rex but secured my first feature film role in the company made the details in ninety ninety. Although commercially and critically unsuccessful. It allowed me to secure supporting roles in the films pleasant view in nine hundred varsity blues and ninety nine on she's older in nineteen ninety nine and the skulls in two thousand in two thousand and one my break through role arrived when i had furby magor arrive when starred opposite with vindaloo in the action film fast and furious. It was edgar. Okay remembers walker. Says wilson phil. Sorry sorry for you. Rick sinai. He did but he wasn't. He wasn't pleasant to. Rick can give you the point. Never sorry thanks bars. You did really well. Actually you got was to go that from his pull. Wha- kept thinking in my head. I was going to pull what paul paul those not. So tell me. What other actors names do you struggle with this. Obviously if you get that one raw. That's fucking mainstream as wine. Johnson johnson or the rock. Yeah wine johnson. The rock dwayne. He's nine to that. sounds better. how many movies a rock have to do the largest money grab. He's done a tv series that a lot. What young rock. It's called something odd. And he's like commander in the nfl didn't like that. I think everyone else did law. Monje jumanji law ray mike. Thus sheet with black always wanting something similar to the problem was robin williams. Did the first one so the expectation mark is. We are huge if that was an original film and we'd never seen original emoji. It's a pass. The original jumanji. Nine hundred five was one of my favorite films of outside top twenty mayor. Top twenty you have to you have to push a few buttons for me. The rock is a guy who and this is a trawling thing and trolleys a very touchy subject on trial. The rock but i just wish the rock didn't exist on instagram. what's he do. you follow him on. Scream no but i hear enough about he stuff and it makes me go to his page and look on the recently Hell it actually. This would have been a few months ago. The rocks put up this post rock. Hey guys just want to let you know on the way to shoot today and my gate stopped working at my property as he often guy from half mexican to australian and us. And i'm not prepared to do. You're prepared for the first second and then you bryant or i'm doing a good job on a call and i had to bring it in. Sorry is so. He's obviously he wants to flex the gate at my property. It doesn't stop there so he's like you know people are relying on me. There's people at the set are waiting for me to bay there. So what could. I do. Tried to call the electricity company power down. Get out my guy. So i'm not proud of it and i'll just flipped and of ripped guide off it's hinges roar. St you it by roy human emotions and all this shit has he filmed this as he's running light. No right would. This is a good point so let me finish. And then we'll get onto that so he's put up a photo basically ripped this guy off it's hinges and just throwing it onto the grass and now this thing if you say if you can find the photo and put it up if he can't just for nothing he makes it. Look he's basically just bent. Like a superhero bentley's enough changes ripped it off and throwing it onto the greystone. My let me tell you there is no human being in the world that could have grabbed that thing and ripped it off. It's hinges any theories. What if faulk the rock have. That is the security for his. He's house that's a very good point. Why being a strong man and secondly lock you said surely this tv footage so if you really wanna make yourself look like fucking hero shows the fucking video footage ribbon that fence. Maybe he should buy a really. She guide setups. Act and then he should have done that. Possibly any probably could afford that but he's making it seem like you know i'm always on the grind but i can't let people down. I've got to get to the set and got into this. Might say okay. You come from nothing which you tell everyone about all the time. Anyway you're famous actor you worth all this money people lock you know you've taken a lotta boxy fucking try and flex it your strongest relative in between movies. That's what it is. It's just fucked. But the other thing is whenever is trying to promote a new product. He's got his under armor shoes or something like that. We've designed these shoes with this in mind. The act fuck off my. It's a pair of shoes. It's going to rub us. Oh and it's some other stuff and it's got licensed. It's just shoes. There's nothing fucking super bad it and it's not because donald eridania dynamic walkers my fourth of heard you say something. He must've triggered you walking now. Does he's movies make like sleeping go to sleep and not really but you know what we've run at. I just noticed. But what i do need to do after this not. I'm going to get graded with time. Happy ritual. She snows bit. This is fucking lad all might be at a slight like like consistent snoring really and she falls asleep in an instant to we're both todd but alcott fall asleep super-quick but literally will go to bed at the same time and within seconds. Can you like sort of push ahead with the pillow. And she stops and then reset or just go to different room. Allison has disability of being out of sleep through anything like it could be tv. This podcast story this every week and a half. She doesn't wake up. But if i is trying to be. 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I try to put miles in and just have a good time with it you you. You put a lot of miles and when you were racing. Were you a big trainer or is this something that came later. No we always. I always trained. I was because I I think for me when I was racing. I had to train because I wasn't talented. Let's say I mean so. I had to be in better shape and luckily for me I love training love running at the time and I love bicycling did a little bit of everything so from years of motoring. How is your body now? Like for my body's okay. My knees are a little bit. Yeah a little bit suspect sometimes but yeah my body's pretty good too too bad you were trying to new Husqvarna e bike. That's coming out in the fall. Our balancing that. We have some tests bikes over here. They just playing around with and and you know firstly because you have the intense. I and I'm not much of an e bike guys. I WanNa go to a guy as a lot of miles on them and got to ride with you today and see how the differences maybe in the versus what I have and and Yeah so we're just doing some testing on the bikes Yamahas. One coming out too. So yeah I think that's an avenue were some of the. Oem's are looking at you know. Hey what can we do here? So I think it's the next step for people you know you have a dirt bike and maybe you don't WanNa go out train. Yeah and you want to just go ride and to me. The e bikes the perfect. I mean and I'll tell you this is only my third right on it and after my first to ride I was kind of like I don't really don't but after today had a great time. Yeah we we hammered some trails. Pretty good and perfect if you do that and you made that comment when we were stopped you said out here on a regular bike. You'd be suffering. is unless you're elite elite. Guy. You'd be suffering if you on a regular bike and this just puts the fun and that's exactly it right like you're still getting a good workout. Think my heart rate today was like one forty five or something. So you're getting a good workout and you're able to go much further and have more fun and then you know you're not suffering and then tomorrow you can go back and ride again. Yeah didn't suffer. Yeah and and still you know we all try to run our heart rates and we probably all do too much heart rate. Doesn't have to be high to get a good work. You need to be at a steady PACE PACE. Today was perfect. Yeah like my buddy Paul per season shape and he's got a he's got an e bike any runs it in trailer boost because he has so much fun for me. I'm trying to lose weight. I'm trying to get better shape. You're in great shape so for me. I run an echo because I want to suffer. I want to lose weight. I WANNA grind right but there is that option late in rides and we had one section today that I hated and I told her I hate it. I just bumped up the trail. I got through the section. That's uphill technique techy rock stuff. And then I was able to go back down to ego and it's a perfect example of why he bike works great right and like. I said just like you're saying is for those people that you know. You're not out there. You don't you're not going to try and be next triathlete the marathon guy and all this. Cr- you just want to go ride and have fun. That's what is right. Husqvarna marketing for you. How long have you been there for been well? I was with the original. Let's say Husqvarna owned by BMW. Three years I started there in two thousand ten okay and then the company was sold to the corporation or Peer Industries owns. All of it was sold. I think in two thousand thirteen twelve thirteen and then so I moved over there so now if you WANNA count total. I've been there about eight or nine years. Which is I always think it's funny because you made your name riding Husqvarna against Japanese brands. When they were no longer the Great Husqvarna. Everybody grew up with and you were alone guy on Husky and then you end up working for years later. It's a full and for me. You know an like to be back with Husky and just the linear to the name. That was when I had a chance to get this job. I just said I have to do it right. I and it wasn't like I had my previous job for twenty seven years. I didn't have to go anywhere and I made pretty good money. Yeah and I worked for Office Products Company. Okay HOLD COPIERS. Fax Machine that kind of stuff and it was a friend of mine's a my childhood friends families visit early. Then they sold out okay and I didn't have to leave but when this came up and a guy your roots. I don't like I even talked to my wife and I said look. I really WANNA do this. I'm I'm like Oh copiers and I'm over this right now and I want to get back into the industry and luckily I got a job. Yeah so now when they were switched from BMW ownership and by the way those BMW LOOKING. Husqvarna were underrated. Yeah that's cool. Look W out. Yeah but when they switched over. Ktm were you nervous about losing your job where you come to you like. Were you stress in a little bit? Not a little bit but not much I I was and let me say for me and it's weird. I guess I've been in the right place at the right time. That's basically what it was. I was the guy at the time I did all the parts for Husqvarna and I'm GONNA call it. Bmw Escobar all parts all accessories. Yeah all the after sales so all that stuff had to be moved. Yeah so they I mean in a way. They couldn't get rid of me wherever I was lucky. I so I did all that. I made all that move from the stuff from it was up in New Jersey. Oh okay all down to Ohio Imon Tori and stuff away. That's obsolete all that stuff so then I came into the office and then it was like what am I gonNa do right John Eric. Burleson came to me and says hey we we need you to continue with this for now but we need an offered manager for the Husky Road team. And I'm like do you WanNa do that. Great Heck Yeah. That was last. Oh that's cool though. I don't think I remember you doing that. Yeah Yeah I mean I did it for Kimmy Wagons Timmy. Andrew Delong won the National Enduro Championship for the first time since nineteen six ski so since like Terry Cunningham Terry Alaska Paul. I pulled out exactly. It was pretty good and but I got to champion. Jacob Argue about one a championship from that year and I did it for like a year and a half almost two years and but the hard part was at the time I was still doing the part so There was one year that I traveled. Forty three weekends out of the really. All your wife's just at Fox the facts and copier writing and so that was kind of tiring and then it came up. They needed immediate guy because they didn't have anyone so I said sure and Timmy. Was there became the team manager or off road and I went over to media. How do you like the media things how do you? How do you enjoy that? I tell people every day. It's another one of those things in the right place the right time. It's the greatest job in the company. I really yes like today. I get to talk about dirt bikes bicycles. I get to do that every day. Yeah and someone pays me or I get to go riding right my boss. I can ride all. Yep Go to the he. He inspires us. He says go to the track and go ride. You're not talking about Moen Tom Owen. He's inspired you. I don't know if those words us with Tom Muskie. Yeah he's he's really a he's a different guy but he's one of those people like he makes me laugh. I have so many Moen Stories. Katya when you get in with him. He's the nicest guy from the outside G I get him with him. He's like your job is to go riding. Yeah take people right so as much as I can. I take my guys. We variety whether it's street bikes or dirt bikes out ever the we all know. Katie must've owned by the same company. And certainly had some Husqvarna people yell at me over the years for because I'm just like look Katie. Anderson Rides a Katie. And so what? We don't need to get into that. But how much different? How much differing philosophies or or divisions are there between Katie? I'm an Husqvarna when it comes to media duties for you you in the KTM guy. I don't even know well it would be and that's the thing now. I'm the Guy Oh you are. Atm Guy Gas Gas Guy. I'm the Husqvarna one okay. So there isn't really any now. There is now so I felt like when they made. Roger like the overseer Katie Mogo Husqvarna logo and. They'll soon have a gas gas. I would imagine I felt like when they did that with Roger. They relaxed their philosophy of like. Hey we're two different company right and I think at first they were trying to establish what what Husqvarna was going be. Yeah and it was really. I mean we were adamant we weren't allowed to park next to each other. We weren't I mean. Even though we work together you see till but outwardly wanted to make sure some kind of separation. We couldn't talk about the Waikato's thing that would happen. Somebody's I got a few things and I said I don't care right. You can't fool me. That's right donges by Jason. And you're one hundred percent right it is. It's the same but our philosophies in marketing are today are different wholly opposite so with. Ktm is like the Color Orange It's ready to race. It's in your face. It's I'm GonNa Win Barn Husqvarna completely on the other spectrum of where the fun guys like. We want almost boutique. We WanNa be fun we want. We don't want we're racing WANNA win. There's no doubt about it. But by the same token we want to go on the desert and take a bunch of Ri- and that has nothing to do with racing. And when you look at Jason as a as a start versus you guys like a different Dean Wilson Right. 'cause WE TRY TO BE WE WANNA be different brand and and you know the the thing that you run into when especially when you have two brands like this as you start getting a lot of you know eating away at the other brand my this brand. We're we're trying to stay away. I I don't want to go after a CPM person. I want to go after Honda. Yamaha Cow Beta. What am I WANNA talk to? Those people. Sure I want to get other people involved in. Sometimes people look at the ready racing. We don't like that it's too many of and so yeah. Huskies a perfect attraction rivals. So the marketing everything we do is completely different than it. I mean for me sometimes. It's a struggle because like you know I'll see a picture and I'll say let's put run that yeah can't run that just not Allah and so you know for me. I got understand. This is what this is and this is what that is so now just slip. Switch switch switch mindsets a little bit exact and see me on the backside. Most of my outwardly guys like. I have a KTM GUY. That's on the outside easy guy and then we have on the on the outside we have. Husky guy and then now we have a gas gas guy so I mean outwardly. Those three is of the face of media. Let's say to the media department and then I'm kind of the guy that's over seeing that to make sure everything's happening. Everyone okay interesting and I still go to vent that kind of stuff. But I battle a bit and I've said this on my show's over the over the last couple of years. There's some Japanese racers Japanese managers Japanese. Vip's in the pit are very pissed off. That you know Jason Anderson helped helped Dungy win the title a couple years ago by putting chat off the track and Tomac versus orange and white guys you know Blah. And they're not happy and I get that I understand that like hey it is kind of bs on the flip side though Calistoga. There's nothing to stop Kawasaki to hire another team and give them some factory parts and run another team and have helped for per say. There's nothing there's nothing. They don't do that they don't have the budget or they don't want to either one. Whatever it is Suzuki the same way so good on. Ktm for investing in the sport with Husqvarna team. A now hopefully with a gas gas team down the line here somewhere. So that's a great thing. They're like dumping a lot of money and support into our sport. So yes Mr Japanese VP. You're angry but you know what they're dumping money into the sport so that's where I'm at on that I don't like it either but hey I like the support that the Mr Pierre has given supercross motocross and off road and flat tracking and everything. So so yeah. I'm more happy that they support it right and I think like I mean I remember because I'm a little older back in the day where some teams would would hire guys to one race To block someone and it happens more. Yeah that's what the team is about team. And when you WANNA to he's factory KTM and he's factory Husky. Well we're all the same so we're all one team and I mean that can go as friends if your friend was on a Honda and I'm honest Zouqi and you're going to block for me being more more than you're going to let you know top one of those things. I agree and I agree so I hear grumblings in pants and I kind of go. Why don't you guys start another about something about it exactly? It's just takes money and equipment and you could do something about Honda. Has the smart top guys so I can't really come down on them at all. They they give those guys a lot of help but you know yeah some of the other Japanese. Oem's like open up the pocket books by Tim. So Fat Charles Preston in here. I've talked to Chris Wheeler a lot. I've talked to a lot of OEM's that are involved in marketing slash media. And how frustrating for you. Andy when you read things or listening to things about the bikes that are either wrong or off the point or whatever part of the job right but it's got to be frustrating. Yeah there's days when I see something on site or something someone said this and you WanNa really wanted to get on the computer and just Blah Blah. Ncaa you're wrong. Yeah for the most part you Kinda and this is Tom Tomoe and he's always sits back and just says don't worry about it. It doesn't matter right. We know what is the truth and the truth will come out at some point if it doesn't own. Don't worry it's not a big thing for. You're not a big frustration. I get mad. I'm like that's not right. I know this because I ride that bike. I know does yeah. It definitely is one of those things and I run to him in. Hey did you see this? Yeah I don't worry about it. Yeah there's there's one media company that like Preston won't work each. Just they're so out to launch. I don't WanNa go. I don't waste my time out with them. It's frustrated he gets it and it's you know and you know like we talk all the time with you know and I know Travis I know all the media guys and you know I'm personal friends with Travis and we talk about each other bikes. We all know what the good and bad about each one of our. Yeah all of our bites have great things all of them have some stuff that maybe aren't as good as the other guy and but by the same token today in today's our bikes are hurting. Yeah now even us as Yuki that gets a lot of Jack Yeah. It's still pretty good bike for for ninety five percent of the people out there you know. Yes for sure. Yeah yeah yeah yeah perfectly fine. Yeah so that's that kind of bugs me when people are bashing on and I'm like you guys don't know all the stuff that's in the background of this. To make this like for example the the Rockstar edition was it was the second spike in one of the shootouts last year. Two years ago. Yeah and I'm like Oh look. There's no chance that everybody else does that. Bike is is is amazing and it does maybe doesn't win but it comes second or you know what I mean right and so in the marketing department you gotta read it and be like you guys are off. There's no there's emails come back from Austria. What is going on and and they really know you can't explain it all. I can do this when we go to a test as we made. Our bike is set up for that person. And somehow this person doesn't like it. There's nothing I can do about. Yeah I mean I can only give them what I have and for some reason. They think it's the one percent off here. One percent off there. There's not a lot I can no no not really right and we're there all I ask people to be just be fair and impartial. Because that's what you have and my bike's last fine. Tell me and we'll move on from there but Gimme a good reason. Why it's yeah. Yeah for sure one. Does the gas gas star stuff start happening? Do you think well we have trials bikes now? Keefer has one. I think the embargo date is. I don't know people are going to hear this. Yeah that's fine. I as the embargo date. Yeah and So we have gas gas trials. Bikes are here in the states. We're starting to market those. Now they'll be dealerships. Were hoping middle of July I think or excuse me Mila May and so the all the other stuff is associate with this cova thing going. Everything's pushed back so we probably won't see gas gas. Let's say motorcycles or whatever you know whatever products coming with until October something that's the guest because everything's GonNa be alright. Yeah we see cold enough already. You know over there. S So raced one in your car. So it's common must jumping the time machine a little bit. Let's go back so you were a very very fast pro rider and of course road. Husqvarna for a number of years You grew up in Silica. Okay yes I grew up until I was born in San Francisco. We're okay You Know My dad was in the air force. I born up there. We moved down to the desert by when I was four years old. Okay Yeah Yeah. How'd you get into dirt bikes? Do you remember Yeah there was either dirt bikes parties or bicycles. Okay and so. I baked and pleaded with my parents to get me a bike motorcycle. He's just like mid seventies Yeah it was early seventy seventies. I was probably the out yet. Yeah I mean I well. My first bike was a nineteen seventy-one Honda Sol. One okay. Yeah so really. My first bike was a trials bike my dad bought. Somehow my dad went to the Honda shop in town of bike and I wrote it down the street and bag. I can't ride this. I couldn't sit down. I'm like and so yeah. Exactly he's like well and then he came comes back with a Honda S. O. One hundred lights and everything like the Snot bike like does like no you ride. That took the lights off. Road it for a couple of years But Yeah I think for me. It was the fact that I when I was a little kid. Or when I was little I said. Say Eight or nine years old Little known thing about me I was. I was put in the short bus. Let's call it okay. Like because I guess they thought I was retarded read you can read okay and it took a little while six months and a teacher. One of my counselor finally figured out. I think this kid has dyslexia. Yeah you deduct No they never knew it. Take me to these classes. And they're like there's nothing wrong with and he's like and then so. I started doing training for those things. You can do for them so they went to my dad and they go look he. You need him to read and does he like reading. This is obviously not know. What does he like to do like motorcycle for my dad? Bought me every motorcycle magazine in the world so I would read that yeah and I would try and no that. Got Me into looking at the pictures of hike Makola Roger and all that will bear knows guys and I was like hooked. Yeah and you work with Roger. Now Yeah exactly I mean I was probably nine years old ten years old. Okay then is this hysteria whereas Victorville victims what is up there at that point like I know what it is now. It's twelve thousand people. Eleven thousand people is it really. Yeah so there's just of picture right where my house is. Today I live in my childhood house back. I moved back their childhood house and there used to be I could ride and I still can. But there was no houses behind us. No houses anywhere. Yeah and I had the whole I had to track. That was so it was just a main street. Exit was at the exit polls. Mojave Mojave but it was only two lanes. I mean I'll tell you the street that a lot of people don't Bear Valley road. Yeah when you're going out to Lucerne Valley. Yeah there used to be. There was no bridge out out ways. Yeah it was a railroad crossing. Oh Wow so you which just rival in the house and have the whole. I had five or six. There's a couple tracks are still there five or six motocross tracks and my mom could see me from the from the back of the house where she's in our backyard. Look out and watch it right. Yeah so it was always a little safer but to get to that point. When I was ten years old my brother. Got Killed Okay. And so that was younger older. He was eighteen o eight years older than yes. Yeah so all. My siblings are much. Okay my youngest one to me is seven. Oh okay so I was kind of the runt baby mistake accidents. So but so my mom was not gonNa let me ride motorcycle like. There's no way that I was ever going to ride a motorcycle and finally my dad persuaded her enough that I bike when I was about. I was eleven ten years old eleven. Did your older brother died in a motorcycle accident gunshot. Okay Yeah Weird. Yeah we're so so. That's when started writing. I started writing about eleven. Yeah And it's funny though like I mean I. I'm in Canada. I'm growing up. I'm younger than you. But that's reading these magazines. And that's what gets you into it. Yes totally would like the colors and the style and the weird weird places. Europe T. V.'s. You know all that time. I was so mesmerized by it and you know like I said I sit there and read those books all day long and just to watch the stories of these guys. Riding on what they wrote on you know then go out in the desert and try and emulate what they did or you see a picture of a guy you know the old picture of one of the I want to say. Make Willy Bauer with Hanoi under his leg over the topic. I've seen that one Just like I want to no way I could do it but I wanted to on my talk. Yeah Yeah so when? Do you start like racing and getting realizing you're good and does your mom and dad support for all this and when do you be like hey man like you fourteen fifteen years old and thirteen fourteen and I got I had a I think my first real motorcycle was arm one hundred okay and I think it was one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Okay I want to say and I but I still didn't race would ride in the desert ride like that's lethal that's Christie for everyday riding desert. Just beat my brains out and I wonder race. Yeah so I finally told my mom I said look I wanNA raise one time. It's just me raised. Get this over with and I'll get beat and then I'll be done with it. So she says is the I mean. Reluctantly let me raise. My first race had recently beginner class. One hundred beginning class and at that time there wasn't many one hundred so I had to race one hundred five. Yeah well that I beat everyone except for two pros all the intermediates. I beat everyone except for these two and so then I went home and go. How can you this? Where do you Remember Sunrise Valley? Okay so yeah so summarizes back was around. It was called three hundred. It was still sunrise. Yes yes it's been there that long. Oh Yeah I didn't know. Oh sitting there longer than we used to have flashback around these race plaques so from Your House it's like ten minutes away or whatever. Yeah Yeah Yeah okay. So I started reading every week and then just racing racing and racing my parents. My Dad's support which financially are on board on well. We didn't have a lot of these we did. My Dad was in the airport. He was retired by that time and he worked then at a golf course In town and I now I look back and go to happen. How did that? How did they do this? I know how expensive it is now. But it wasn't the same as it is today. But you know there was no. I didn't change suspension. Whatever the by came with you what I wrote. Yeah I mean you might ask some dirty wait to the front. I swear. That's what we wrote didn't have awesome. Who told told me I can't do that. You know the thing was too soft cut a PBC spacer ramming the shock. That really didn't do. I didn't know it made. It differ at the top. You would learn how to do all this stuff. Yeah you would read Bugsy exactly yeah do this and make stiffer okay. That's what I did and so but I raced every weekend to that and my dad got to be good friends with the guy that owns Suzuki shop. Okay Desert Vegetable And he really took a liking. Took care of me. Yeah I actually ended up working for him for two bucks an hour when I was you. Look you look back at like. If you never meet that guy you know what I mean would have been. Yeah and so I race and race and for me it was. My Dad worked on Sunday. So he would take me to the track six mooring auto work and go work and then come back at four in the afternoon. Pick me up. Yeah and I was just kind of this kid around the pits. Go to my race and sit there on my little toolbox and people took care of me as an African American did you. Did you notice any racism. Did you notice people? Did you fit right in? Deny then they not there all got the only guy only otherwise. Be This guys name black box. I got to know and be pretty good. He looks like my one of my sisters. Okay seven or eight. He helped me a lot. Okay and He raised every was just a good guy and so it was like no. I didn't notice it. Yes then. Yeah but I'll say like my dad always would tell me goes you know he goes. I didn't know I was black until someone told me I didn't know I just like whatever. Yeah whatever yeah. We're just human being right all trying to do the same thing. So when you start like racing pro and making money when I was sixteen sixteen and I could raise. I started racing. Just yes yeah mostly up in the desert I would go to de Anza. Sometimes in venture out was the answer. The analyst in basically and I guess you'd say Marino Valley okay not far. Yeah jeeze would go there and raise you can go. 'cause that Harris was around them. They're out there. Yeah and then Corona ratio was race. But I didn't do that Good in school time are yeah. Go ahead good grades. I play basketball and the basketball team. I was really athletically. I was better baseball player than anything. Oh you were. I wanted to play baseball but then the motorcycle came in. And I gotTa do this but you know what what year are you bracing? Pro when you're sixteen. What are we talking here? Well Seventy seven. Seventy eight seventy dollars. This myerscough awardee Myers cop like is that the era that you're in a cop ward yeming some you know Hannah the hand what be the. But I'm saying in your age group up. I like seventy war turns promos eighty I think. Eighty no seventy nine. No no he was when I was around like well was he pro. There was because he raised like a x seventy five on any Sunday. Yeah I love okay. We're about the same age. Oh so when you race was were. They were rewarding. Myerscough HAS GONE. Check out from you. Like It depends on where we race Johnson yet. I raced. I remember when Rick Johnson was coming up. Okay he was fifteen and a little younger than me and I was. He came out to sunrise and me and him battled really sunrise. I was I was your place there forever battle with guys goat. Always like to tell a story that I beat him there. I don't remember me beating him. There be RJ beating being go. Yeah and I don't remember me be on him but he always swears that I beat one day and but that was my place. It right came. There was going to battle the brochure. That was the thing and keep the dishwasher. Trice take him to Paula and hang down. Wheels fall off right right right but take them in the dishwasher stuff and he's on it but You know so at this point. You're driving. You're going to school racing pro. You'RE MAKING MONEY. You're on your way little the little bit and and everything was going along. Great I like the first time I raced and I'll say down the hill okay. Saddleback here beaten everyone. No problem went down there and I got lapped all really got out. That's quite a difference. Well Yeah 'cause saddleback never sunrise now and but still to get lap. Yeah I went home and I was like man. Maybe this isn't me and I your dad down the hill. They're really exactly and my dad said. Yeah see now. You were a big fish in this little pond here now. You're a tiny fish in that down there. Yeah so then. That just made me work harder. Yeah and my dad would always say. Hey if I see you working hard all support you to death the day. I don't see you working heart goes off. Stop supporting simple as that. This is again shops. Giving me some stuff. It's this shops. Help him yeah. Pike's I mean give me discount. Yes and and you know we would I worked there a little bit. You know when I could after school at between riding up. They always give me a tracker right because the guy that actually owns the shop owned. Sunshiney five Oh nice and he would they would groom the track water and all that so. I wrote their cup four times a week and this is the day as we were talking before we hit record like an and I just did a Gary Denton. And this is you can ride. Ford can race four or five times a week. Like insane we. Yeah the answer whatever. We released Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday as it. Yeah Yeah and we. We didn't practice that much sometimes. We just raised and you would race if you were like. I was bigger so I couldn't race a little one twenty five but I would raise the to fifty and five hundred class. Yeah and then like Gary Gary. Yeah and you know you get fifth or six or whatever if you do that all these classes yeah you walk away with some money a decent amount of money and like we were talking about i. I didn't see those going to the nationals. Very much and I always wondered why and go to a national and thirtieth. Yeah and you get ten dollars. Yanni dollars it's like. Why would I do this when I can stay home and make a ton totally right? Yeah these these guys like do box telling me to. He's one of the guys. Yeah it would just make livings. They would make a living doing it and the national screw supercross rather than now. Shaq's I'm I'm doing the local money racist and I'm doing well because when you look at the vault for you you don't have that many. No no for sure like you were just know the guy that would venture out southern. California too much right telling Chris I I was never. I don't know that I was a fast. I worked hard. Yep and if I got near you towards race I could be because I knew I was single chip but I wasn't. The most talented guy wasn't yeah. I mean I I. I'm not ashamed to say that I worked hard to get where I was and so for me like racing the nationals. I go to a national. I like. I went to Colorado and I want to say it was nineteen seventy nine and I was in the top. Ten and my bike broke couple years our year later. I want to say it was eighty one. I was writing for wreck state. And at the time and I went up to Sears point and recent national and I think I got twenty. Yeah Twenty first. There's something I always. I've told this story before by so like I was a top ten loretto lanes Canadian rotter right like so a good amateur in Canada and getting some help from Kawasaki and I go down to Atlanta in eighty eight to race the amateur day super cost and watch the race. The next eighty nine and watch the super cross the next day and I line up eighty pro and like renards next to me right. I'd never see Renard right right and honesty. That was the that was the time that it it came in and I was like sorry for the background noise. Everybody that was the time it came in. And I'm like I'm like Shit like I I. I'm not as good as I thought I was. I'm not I'm not nowhere near what I can be right. And that was the time where I was like. Oh do you ever moment like that shirt where you were like racing and maybe it was saddleback? Getting this outback. Yeah that was that ruined me and I raised Colorado once and I got lapped by Brock and by Chuck Sun five hundred class. Yeah and but still I was like man. I think I can still do this for something at first. You know you get discouraged. Yeah a little bit. Then you come back home and he do some local racy do okay And you go back at it. Well in one thousand nine hundred eighty one. Everything was rolling for me. I'm doing good tested for Suzuki. A couple of times doing production testing and and those are good bikes to my boss. Or The guy my boss. The guy that owns Yuki shop was good friends with all the Guys Suzuki. So they he asked them. Hey why don't you help him? This Guy Yeah give them something. Give him part whatever and they they were really shied away from it and so then he pinned him down he goes. Hey they call him and said send him to Saddleback. So I went to Saddleback to test. Brian Myerscough Koji Masuda. Bob Elliott in me. We're doing endurance-testing You ride forty five minutes. Yeah get off the bike ride rest forty five minutes forty five minutes do that all day And they said if he does good there will look at helping him. Well comes back. I guess I didn't do good enough and I was very discouraged. That was like wait a minute. I was pretty good. Yeah the next year. Rolls around being nine eighty eighty-one the end of nineteen thousand. Nine hundred ninety one eighty one. Everything's going good. I'm winning local races southern California. Nobody's beating me all over the you're meeting you're being factory guys like these all the whoever's at the CMC all the race state talk probably the top ten there but all the golden state or the CMC RACECAR is. I was leading up. Went down to I went to a race or no I was practicing And hit a head on with a guy out in the desert broke. My knee cap broke my jaw shoulder to I mean. Just yeah so for like I WANNA say that. Were you by yourself? No okay see well. Three of US used to ride this trail forty minute trail and every day we used to ride this trail decided he needed to go earlier than us. Yeah so he left early figured out. He didn't put gas bike when he was a quarter hauling us back turned around backwards. So you hit your buddy hit my buddy. So was he okay. Yeah he was funny. He broke his collarbone. Yeah Oh And so I was out. This is eighty one eight one. I broke my kneecap. Yeah so I was out for six months yeah seventy together kneecap together off not not not good and so I started riding again. Yeah December I want to say it was well all of a sudden. Get A call from Mitch. Payton just out of the blue never knew you never nothing as he calls himself back then. He was a Kook in a wheel. Jeff this guy calls me says. Hey I'm Mitch Payton I have Anaheim Husky. WanNa write some. Huskies like have you heard them. How'd you ask really no not at a little bit like you'd see a Husky and all title but never had a big shopper? So you weren't part of wrecking career at this point. Didn't meet those guys you know. So then I said sure and I was just coming back and he said come down next week. You can get some bikes and parts. While I show up at a shop. He puts to brand bikes. My truck gives me a boatload of parts gives me gear helmet everything I need like school and I'm like yeah nobody's ever given. Yeah I'd set a goal. Yeah and I was like wow. So we did that thing the pro circuit thing and and huskies weren't on there. They weren't on par. He's weren't as good but Mitch. If there's one thing that would always say to this day I'm sure he says it is. Nobody will work harder than him. Yeah making those bikes good. Yeah we did everything we could tell. Us Bikes to me. I mean made him as good as they possibly can. And did you get your old form back? After I started writing writing in southern California back in the series because that's what Mitt wanted you to win his. He needed to win the series. And so I think you raced a night race. Who Do you? Who else did he help back then? Husky Keith Lee Jeff Jenning Jennings Jennings was his guy to Troy Philip Jennings Jennings told me one time. He Says Zeki Guy and he was super fast. A fastest guy. You'd ever want amazing. Because he was so smooth. He has really good ride but he would. He was always in and out. You know he would come in for a while and then something would happen. And then trips was battle. Mike and Mi always wanted to race. I knew Mardi Michael's Oh I didn't know that he wanted to be the top guy. I wanted to be the top guy. This is eighty to eighty. Huskies have two shocks at this time. Mike Garard suspension. Yeah Yeah so. We had Back then was your. You weren't some huge. I throw this Bro. Show yes who? Coined that nickname. I don't know all time so yeah it was good. It was perfect for the time. I mean I had the one rick Johnson noise last plasma on the back of my pants and people and and I'll say it's a culture thing because black people always say hey blood or brother. They used to call each other. Bloods really instead of brother. Yeah blood and CRIP. No that would about this for they. Would that was to name call you blood so I just said plasma is like blood house ain't it was just one of those stupid things. The white people are like what's what is he. Actually people were like. Uk So but bro Stuck Yeah. Did you do supercars back? Then I did yeah. I don't even Suzuki or well. Yes later yeah but most of them are on the Husky. We did you know like Anaheim we did. Were you ever like intimidated to lineup soup against those because you case you the local hot shoe. You're winning everything. You're golden state's your dicing with factory guys. I imagine like doing good right and then know these. These guys are lying supercross. And you're like Oh yeah well a more because of the bike and I mean like I was when I think about it today like and there's no excuse I mean my bike is good as it could be. Yeah but and then you had the production bike that was better than mine and then at the time the worse by crows like Quasar and and I had an opportunity to ride a couple of factory bikes. Oh Yeah Yeah. I wrote a factory Yamaha around eighty okay and I rode a factory. Honda right in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. Oh you're slow boy tank ones how'd you? How'd you how'd you right? Then go go go okay mazing. Yeah like I'm late. There's no way I can compete with. Someone told me that a factory. Honda was twenty five pounds lighter than it production which Twenty Bounds Hugh and then my Husky was probably twenty pounds heavier than the production. And I'll say like I think it was. Nineteen eighty-three saddleback national. I ended up tenth overall. Yeah but there was the ski jump up the hill. Know eighty-four up. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm sitting there with goat. And he's on his factory. Honda I think. I think he was factory. Honda at the time. Yeah and now go. Would've been cowie them eighty four? Yes so we're sitting there talking and he says I go I go can jump. That he goes. He'll jump it and I go. You sure yeah so I come around the corner just Air Cooled House. He raw and hit so hard. It almost knocked me out a hit so hard I didn't come. I mean it was five feet short. Yeah and then I see him. Just go well I. I'm well as fast. There's nothing I can do. So that's how the difference like I looked at that and I I can't riding an eighty two. Honda probably just destroyed you. Yes exactly in. The problem was because of my relationship with the guys sukey shop. I would every once I would ride one of the Zukis. Okay and and again Mitch's triumph. But they're just not just not there. Yeah and again. You're getting everything for free right exactly and you know people will. You should just sticky well. It's a big difference when your guy from a little town? You don't have a lot of money and you you. You got to go into race to make money yeah. I don't have the money to spend to do this so I can get free. Parfrey bikes and still emit was okay. We're winning local stuff. And that's all he cared across if we made a main gray but yeah. He didn't care he wanted us to good local. Yeah because that was I mean you. Long spectators deal right. Yeah and and that's where guys were with other huskies to sell part and to me. It's funny because I've been on this downtime reading a lot old cycle news is I just pouring through these things and the the manufacturers would build win ads for Golden State. They would build win ads like this was a big deal like he right and I was always like you know you you think of it as local series and it was but it was a big deal to win anything for these. Oem's back down and they had budget to do it supplied routers and guys like Ron Turner. Right he'll do. They made livings doing the Jim. Tarintino Tarintino was amazing to Saddleback. Not many guys were beating care who you know. He was amazing Yeah so while you have one result from Gainesville and eighty four. It was horrible well seventeenth. Yeah me and Mickey Diamond. Okay and Mike. Gera and Mickey's mechanic Zuma's mark. I don't remember we went there and this is a Husqvarna factory right. Yeah so Miki was HUSQVARNA factory. I was still traveled with the right and that LaPorte. No the Portland next. Oh Yeah Yeah and I. I didn't know what help into going to Gainesville. Never rid naming like it was like a fish out of water right was horrid and I a lot of times. Sorry to interrupt you times. You had choices to make like. Hey Saint Louis is this weekend but man The Corona raceway. I'm I'm in the points that like. There's no way you're traveling and I go make a thousand bucks. Yeah yeah if I stay home asked me. It was for you to travel and yeah interesting. Yeah and then you know and then I started having knee issues. Big Time like in the nine hundred three well before that my only main let's say was eighteen. Eighty three eighty to seventy end end of end of eighty two. I was on an Yup and down by the what happened was and the reason was honest as Yuki as Mitch Zucchini it says Husqvarna in the vaults it fix this when I went towards the end of the year San Diego then was the last race like at the end of the year and midst. Didn't know what was going on with the team. What what they were going to do. So this Zouqi shop guys said Hey. You need a bike you can borrow Mickey so aren was goodbye at eighty three. Ram To fifty on. Tuesday I wrote it on my desert track on Wednesday raised on Saturday. Didn't change tires. Didn't change suspension didn't yeah. That was what I had. Yeah so that's made the then made the to make it to the heat or do you remember yeah. Ken Howard Tan embattled Beata. He's on a factory count but the bike was amazing. Yeah the bike was really really out and then when I get home after that the guy owned shops that hey that was great you can keep Jap bike and I'll give you another one and all the parts you need. WanNa continue to race in eighty-three any. Yeah but then Mitch called me and said Hey we got a good deal for you. You can write some supercross national and I had to go back because I just like even though remember. I think you did didn't I think one year. Yeah I like you know like parts and tires and sprocket. S- it just it adds up and I was like. I know I'm there now. I know I'm never gonNA make a living. Yeah I WANNA make some money to be able to buy a house or whatever at some point. My knee started giving me issues in the eighty. Three like it started really going bad. Okay yeah fly racing racer x podcast with any Jefferson presented by rental and Maxis also on the folks at alias. Cbd Of course rental Dot Max's Dot Com and fly racing dot com. Doing a lot for you. People out there and also race tech race was around on your day. Did you ever get work race back in the day? The pulse built some bike for me. I used to work at Pomona Suzuki. That's within was telling me and Super Smart Guy. And he's still around and pulp twenty. Save Race Tech. They do motors's suspension for the chaperone. Honda team They also do motors suspension for they've done it for. Bama over the years and crisp close and all these guys race dhec Dot Com pulp twenty zero to save with the folks that race tech and helped Dandy Jefferson back in the day all so so then he started bothering you and like back then. Of course you know surgeries wasn't what what it is now so I was taking shots every two months going to on So I could rise couldn't couldn't couldn't impossible. What do you remember about a young Mitch? Payton like what are you? He was the first of all. How many times would you guys have done things back? Then that would get you arrested today. Like one hundred. Yes he he just had no fear. Anything just like you know it. Didn't it just didn't matter? We go into restaurants and do crazy stuff and act like immediate. I mean stuff that now I look back and go. Wow happy but then it was fun. Yeah admit Choi was around. It was a maniac. I mean Troy Did short painting when you met him or was he. Yeah he's racing and starting to paint. He lived in a garage and corona okay and paint a helmet painted. All of this stuff for us. Mitch would give him to paint. But he had no business Mitch Charlie Race Razor Fun Guy. Was He always kind of like out there? A little bit okay. So it hasn't changed that but he was a great starter. Always START UP FRONT. And then somehow like beer would kick in because the night before he probably was out getting the hamlet a little and pretty soon troy's going backwards but he was always out front early. When does he show you like this thing? Called Ero visor like and you just go. Whatever did yeah he he he he came up with some mean he had some cool stuff but he had some weird. Those visors must have made so much money. You you're probably forgot. We had them all of our helmets. so Mitch. Hard worker smart guy. Just I a little bit your sure and I mean well ruthless. In a lot of ways we had he'd have screwdriver fights everyone so where he get mad and he'd sling a screwdriver like in the wall. Like pretty close to you. He never did to me because I think he was scared of a little me and him into it once up at a split Pea Anderson. Okay come back with a race and he was doing his usual. Dickin- around doing something stupid. He wasn't supposed to and. I said look you do that again. And I'M GONNA throw you over that fence on. Offense was right next to the free Bob where he goes. You aren't going to do that. Bob He did it again. I picked him up out of his wheelchair and I pushed him over the fence and I took his wheelchair back to the van and left him. That's Awesome Orleans twenty when you're calm and not being idiot. I'll put you back in your chair. Stay there I don't care there's so many stories about paying back in the day head dares like the nothing for him and troy. We're always dare each other. Do some stupid. They stole some Saad from jump or something right for the East right front where they needed grass role sawed up. And you would think like somebody would look at the you know literally. It was in front where everyone was watching. What are they doing it up on rolling into and then they couldn't take Mitch to jail so he had to drive. These cops made him drive with a cop escorted him like huck dumb in same stuff like that. This is the of pro circuit and obviously husqvarna. He you know he attached himself. He's getting you supporting everything else. Did you think you'd be successful as he is today? Did you always do you? Did you see the genesis or the roots of this guy obviously eighty-six he gets haunted? Pipe and things blow up from there. But you're there before then are you well. I know that Jodi from eight would always tell him. You need to stop work on these Japanese and Mitch is he. Now they're you know they're got a new Bal and this and that and you know finding this and obviously you see what happened but I figured Mitch would be successful because he was going to work and you know just like today you see the guy he gets hurt. Tanny leaves it ninety one and the mechanics for the race team. They I mean there are hard guys. They're working at all there for one Golden. That did you ever. Do you ever remember saying like Oh. I'm going to have a team one day or though he'd never know never got that far. When did you meet jody? And Jimmy Macanese guys back saying. They kind of helped me a lot. You weren't dude. You were like as a kid growing up in Canada. You were in the magazines ton. Yeah they loved you yes. Yeah and that helped me you know. I think I look back. Sometimes I go. I didn't want to be known as the black kid that's racing wanted to be known as a racer but that helped me get to where I could have just been another guy when you talked about speaking about being African American or black Speak does it. When did you start seeing racism like you said not back then but is this pro days like this kind of stuff where your local and national to you like that one in Florida people that seems odd given and what are you doing here and Like at the superman spectators racers panics but spectators. Yes motocross back then the pits. You are in a kate. Know this but you didn't have vans and stuff around. We'll the end. Yeah Vince Cage and you had a four by six foot area. That's where you put all your toolbox. All your stuff was in that area and people around you are around the outside and people could walk up and say something. Yeah and people would snip but for me. Just hear it a little for me. I learned a long time ago because my dad and what my dad grew up in. I mean I'd I grew up in the dead. South went through all kinds of racism. The real stuff well like diving in a pool. Everyone in the pool gets out except for him. Oh really yeah me. Kinda stuff you hear about this but it's unbelievable for me it meant nothing gets as I don't care I mean 'cause I always try and tell myself that there's only a few people that I put stock into it. They say something about me. That will hurt me otherwise I don't you know who are you to tell me some wasn't there another African American guy. What was his David Maclean with Maclean? Maclean Robert Mrs there. He they had an article in one. Racer X I think. That was a while ago with this guy but David Maclean was really good. Yeah I remember being. Yeah so the League is they. Let you test them. Bikes and stuff. You got to be around him and and that helped me a lot of doors and and I'll say like now I look back and I would tell kids today that you have to. You have to speak about yourself. Yeah and I was never that guy. Yes never that guy to do that. Yeah I always figured if I did good enough is GONNA help. Yeah that's the way it is. Yeah and I was never good at it. I didn't want the spotlight on me and I just wanted to go do my thing and and you know. Hopefully someone take notice but you can't be that way. Yeah Yeah Yeah Well. The guys would have helped you for sure. Yeah as far as that goes back right Interesting to they loved you man. You're all I remember all the time interview and he's coming back knee hurts. He's coming back. Yeah so the last results in the vote was your ninth at Saddleback. Five hundred good result. What happens after that? Do you keep racing. Have I think that was the end of Pro Circuit? One thousand nine hundred five I if I remember correctly raised some local stuff about Honda. Where your needs your knee? My knee was bad. Now by that time had had a couple of surgeries to and it just would swallow up and just get really bad and and like you said. The technology wasn't so great yellow it The doctor said look. You gotta quit so race. I think. Eighty five a little local eighty six touch eighty seven. I got a cow and wrote it a couple of Times said doctor had done. Yeah you you're having trouble walking interviews and I'm like I got to be done and so I just said and I just like. How old were you at that point? I think I was twenty three. Yeah so I was. GonNa say he's Kinda young to be done raising. Yeah and I just decided like I just gotta be overtime as lulled or not but even still twenty five twenty five got to be done and at the time I hit start working for my friends. Oh you were doing down short. Wow after when I first got hurt you were at that place from eighty four until until I left for Husky. Yeah Oh shit yeah yeah But so that was the actual source of income to the point where you're very and But for me like I. The doctor said you start riding bicycles. You GotTa Start Walking. Don't run you know for me. That's what I did. I started riding bicycles in and trying to get my niece stronger. And it's been better never actually had a surgery on again. I know I've had. Oh more than Oh okay. So I've had to on the other one. Yeah so But Karla like meniscus Forty L. Unease just the usual right. Do boost up right But I didn't ride from that time. Eighty six I think I wrote the Elsinore Grand Prix Gareth Myles Garrett called me or my gear called me and asked me to do some with some race that rex and John Mara did it was like a VAT race at Paris. Okay and I think was one thousand nine hundred ninety three. Yeah and so I went and got a Yamaha from him like on a Thursday. And then raced. It had no idea arm pump like Oh yeah and got killed and I was like I'm over this now. Mara race down the world vets number one on one hundred troy. Yeah and one. I remember like ninety ninety. Three and then I raced again in ninety six. I raise the Elsinore Grand Prix. On on thousand five he called me and said hey you WanNa yes sure. I'll do it the blast then right after that I right when the first Yamaha. Four Hundred Ninety Eight. I bought a four when the four twenty six ninety nine. Yeah I bought one of those got back into. Got Back Yeah. I loved racing. Then then I. I've been racing every it's crazy that you got a top ten overall at saddleback obviously place you know well and everything else but still great resulting in two years later. You're totally done. Yeah you got a ninth and then two years later. You're done racing. That's it and really it was. It was a hard swallow because I wanted to race and at the time I was really getting better and you still. You got to think what's realistic. Yeah what is really GONNA have? Wha- right what's going to happen here right so I. So let's get ninth overall. Does that mean I'm GONNA get a factor? I probably not no and later I'll say and you know That just think Mickey got a factory hundred one to one hundred. I could have been you. Yeah I out but I was. I found out later lots years later. The Suzuki was never going to hire me now. Never because of what caused really not going to happen really. I wouldn't have thought across. People are for the most part you know your speed on. The track is the determining factor a lot of times. But but I'll say that they had a different time back then. I mean and I'll say you know my wife's Japanese okay and she could tell you that Japanese are pretty racist against most a lot of people say not. Shouldn't say this is a blanket. Generalize but for me at that time. They weren't in the early times or different. Yeah yeah no matter what and I knew that there was a point where you know that the bikes hold you back so much so I never going to go win a couple of races and I knew that was not going to have. Yeah so for me. I and doesn't bother me because I have. I had a great life. What what writing for Mitch and what happened to me in those days was something that I couldn't couldn't have slated better. Yeah it was perfect the way it all fell the way everything fell together. Oh that's interesting was you. What do you think your greatest race was was there a local racer so racer Deanza Cycle Party? I won like five race in a row. They're five big purse races. Yeah and made up just a killing was johnny territories. The answer right wasn't always ending do. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Holly was in here last for the show talking about Indian dunes. Yeah yeah all of those guys wrote there and see. That was always a thing you had the sand guys like and then there was they had the one. Gorman okay because I went to Gorman a few times before yeah but it's a little bit Saint Mary. Yes okay all right. I never quite understood that being from being from Canada. I never quite the. Yeah the the movie studios did a lot there okay. And where was the ends of them? The answer was like Marino Valley Reno. So when you're going let's say sixty freeway okay from riverside young out in the hills out there. So that's where was corona raceway? Right right off the freeway that golf course you can see when you're on the fifteen going towards Mitch's place right before the ninety one which way on the fifteenth year in West on the fifteen okay so north southwest. You looked writings. Excuse me in the ninety one ninety one ninety one. Yeah West Look West. And they're on the right side there was. There's a horse. Yeah that's where it was. Yeah Okay Right. There was no yeah okay. And so corona ratio. It was amazing and the whole time he lived in high desktop keefer. Preston Jefferson High Desert true. Yup for sure that's funny. Desert was the washing machines and the dead bodies that they were all still all hang left. They're all that shit that he loves. Got It man. I wish we had more time. We got ready for the pulp showy pistol starting in forty five minutes. Celta love the you some more bird? Who's the fastest who is the u? This'll be the trivia question for you. You'd be the answer to this fast. So cal guided never make it quote unquote. You might be the answer for that. Know who was? Who was the answer them? Who who's WHO's the guy. Well you have to to me like a Jeff Jennings. Yeah would be the Guy. Okay because he never got a factor your. I'd never let something happened and kind of went away You know I mean but yet he was amazing like the guy or Turner could be an answer. Ron Turner very good attorney road. I mean he just never got that factor. But I don't even know that he wanted because like you say then so good and then locally pot I did then finished off ten the nationals twice and didn't really care yeah I mean it was. There was no reason you could have been quad. Guy Jumping quads. Yeah well thank you for doing this. A lot of fun and and congrats and a great career and your back and Husqvarna an which I think is ironic and hilarious. You were the guy for Husky growing up for me. You were the guy for Husky and now you're back Husky. Greatest thing ever fly racing racer x podcasts presented by rent macktaz. The Jefferson thanks to listen. Everybody thinks any problem. Thank you thanks for listening to the fly racing Steve Bath show. Don't forget to check out some of our past shows including motorcross legends. Such as bad boy. Johnson I looked down in my hand was jock over to the side. The tenants were jerking weird places and it my biggest disappointment Danny store because that he never said sorry. I were friends and we've never talked. Brian Lewis before the five hundred events. Dave and I fly to Germany. Go down the street guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take THEM BACK. And you know off we go and you know. We Ran Nicosia cylinders battery park for a handful of years before anybody ever saw it in production day in McGill. Was All you know. He didn't big pancake thing. And he's the thing he's completely laying on the gas tank. China miss his tree. I mean he would have gotten even harder jumped. Farther is that tree had been you know if it hadn't been there. I love the guy. I don't dislike competitive. Sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in Switzerland Poland or Belgium forty five minutes on the same bike. You're not be is crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays than they were in stays there fool so different bikes different times beasts from the East Damon Bradshaw. It got to the point where I didn't WanNa leave home and once I got to the race I wasn't into it if I wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not GONNA take your money. Working-class hero definitely an emotional moment for me. Just thinking to myself that's it you know. And it's amazing. The stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that I was going to miss out there until you really open yours and you wanNA listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse and I know from personal experience. Been anybody ever sidney down. Of course everybody did. Go sit paid two ways to make the money one as you can sign for money or two you can earn money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. Time Jeremy McGrath mad like so disappointed so frustrating that I pick and I left every point count. I could kick myself to this day for not just riding around ten. Been no problems. My and my ego got in the way you know neo show Johnny stuff that you didn't WanNa ride and you look at it all day. I mean I got a chance to test on that. I like that era. I was in. I really do search Popa. Maximum tune store to enjoy these and over eight hundred. Great Motocross podcasts Jazz Scott.

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I've known for a long time One of the true behind the scenes agents barfly ages in our sport is represented a lot of riders over the years and still does so. Listen to this open and honest conversation we have about his job. The industry as a whole and why. I didn't like him back in the day. All right thanks. Listen art everybody now as promise on the fly. Racing racer x podcast. I spoke about in the opening about an agent in our sport of supercross motocross and and how confusing it is. And what do they do and what happens. And are they needed. And the worst things about an agent. The best things about an agent all that type of stuff so on the line to talk a little bit about that He works for the wasserman media group or russian agency. I should say one of the massive his biggest agency corporations in the sport whether it's any of the big four sports or supercross motocross or whatever days and i've known this guy for a long time and happy to have him on the show lucas marta. What's up how you stays. Thanks for having me for yet. Yeah i think it's good. It'll be really fun to to wrap a little bit and give people an idea of the things that you see in our industry behind the scenes and also to a of agents. Mertz are not that honest. And i've i've had some shitty dealings with agents and and you don't think are one of those guys so i'm happy to have you on but there's some agents in our sport. I wouldn't put him on a podcast for thousands of dollars. Because i just don't trust them. I agree yeah. Like i just unfortunately to some of those guys in the ages in the sport of given good agents a bad name you know big time i feel like my whole career. You know relatively relatively younger in this. Like i think my whole career. I've had to china trying to break that mold and it's not a mold that like i've been out of break like. Oh you are the one business deal. Yeah what like. It's almost every dealing or whomever whomever i dealt deal with has had has been burnt before you know i. It's a it's a process. Sometimes the agents at fault like this situation you mean like where you can look bad or you can come across bad or someone didn't get their wide I'm absolutely on what you said like. I generally kind of started out doing this to help our friends and home by athletes into two now with the level. You know that. I think it's a fair. It's a fair to pass payment. I think people doing this really shitty job and then thorough and you know do shortsighted deals on deals that either. They're already in bed with the team. Mold yeah there are a lot of crappy deals and like so sure. Yeah i i was the expert goggle guy for a number of years so i dealt with some people agents on that. I had an agent that you know well tell me agree to a deal for to where goes for the rider agree to the bonuses agree to a deal and then i just was like okay. Everything's done. He's wearing the product. It's all good. I'll bring a contract to anaheim won and the week of anaheim won the agent calls me says. Hey we're out. And i well. You mean yeah. We're getting five thousand dollars more some piddly amount from another company and i was just like you can't do that. You gave me your word like and he's like well we don't have a contract said yeah but we agree to bring it to anaheim. Won like i would have faxed. You won that same day if this was you know this was all a like that is just a to me a terrible way to be an agent right. You're throwing your client under the bus and you're leaving for some if some if the offer was fifteen thousand dollars more. Okay fine. I get it whatever you know what i mean but to to switch for a small amount of money and then say well. We don't have a contract. When it was already agreed to that i was going to bring it in anaheim like i just. I can't believe that i had another agent. Tell me one time. I was trying to help. My buddies at fx are with gear. And i had an agent. I had an agent come in. You can have my client for one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. And i'm like okay. Zero chance of that happening like have a good day. You know what. I mean like okay. Same agent calls me back a week later. Okay sixty like. And i'm just like no like no. Where's your one twenty number. Go get that like and not to me is like you're doing. You're you're doing your client into serviced. When you're that you know what i mean like can you imagine that like agents got it. Yeah like he's got it. Yeah that agents. Should we sell a discount furniture. There's one twenty next week. It's literally like nine days later. It was half price. And like i just again. I'm like yeah. No still no. Because i don't want to deal with somebody like you. I don't i don't want that. Let's just affects our will pay a fair price for the ryder services and we all know that one twenty was insane for this ryder. You know what. I mean stuff like that so late there. There's certain instances like you. You should you should. High coarsely yeah. It's market value right and if there's a number there that you know if there's a ride it has its value. I think they're each each. Has its own. Macher ability own strengths and weaknesses right But i think we all know it when you get into that you policy dealing with you ethic saw think land around twenty five thousand. And here's the thing. Of course you shooting how you make more money your client make money. I get it and there's and that's called the negotiations. But you dropped fifty percents. And when i say i think we blend twenty-five let's let's just say if you say the client was jason amazon or whomever. I think if i gave you number you it'd be like yeah. I figured about that. Yeah yeah and that's represented not that. I represent jason. I use that for example. That's obviously there's good agents who probably represent and have have have everything and then as people gotta liked you know i'll go ahead and say the joker brokers right and they're out there just all i can do. This is easy. I read the pr rice or whatnot. And it's so misleading. Right you look at the lawrence deal right now like of course i see of course. Red bull took it. Of course they're outlined size. They call all that stuff. And it's like i could've you could've called me three months ago and i'm i'm shooting for the stars. I think my but this thousand things that could kill this. It was superfluid making that point going back to you. Know it's not quite as as click hot. You know like. I work sixteen titles on this. We do this as a as this will take care of my family and more importantly i gotta look is parents. I gotta look in the eyes of my athletes not today but twelve years down the road when maybe we're wrapping up their career all and we didn't leave a dollar on the table. We did everything with the best intentions to help. Grow your career right. Matz nikki point. Yeah and my point to those stories was that this is what you sit down in front of a client or you sit down in front of a team manager or big gear guy. And i'm only talking about two instances that i probably have a few more but i'm very. I was very small guy in this in this pond of trying to broker some deals. I can imagine the shit that some of these guys that you're sitting across from table automatically think about you or agents because of things that i just explained right and it's not like i was the only guy getting these crazy ass eighteen story so you have to fight through some of that too. Yeah and and it's also like it's a detriment the shirt. But i don't know if i'd be as successful are out ability to grow if i didn't if skies acted that way i think i had a completely unique I like sleeping at night right like i like. I've got to feel good. i look at. I'd ride the make with a sponsor potential sponsor than kohl's writing need to. I want to have that relationship. I want to have that. I think i think this honesty and integrity in it. You know to the best like sometimes people may be like that sucked though. They didn't get the deal. Yachts human nature. Yeah that's on. Any of course. But but i like to see the whites of people's eyes and you know like when i tell someone it can happen. I generally can. And if it kahn or something goes sideways. It's the first cold is remains. No holy on the most reachable guy in the world. I feel i think you want. Yeah and so i. Kind of avoid any of those circumstances which you know these young kids and athletes enticed and athletes. Wanna go one way one minute to go the other way. I think you can get through that just by constantly communicating with daily on a client. That was you know. Wishy washy on stang. I would've told you that unlike his way you can land him his web. We moderate land him and he's probably the reasons because of this. This is nasty and then let's try work. I whole term. You would have been like you'd be telling your boss is like myrtles giving this a shot i give. I give sixty percent chance of landing and then we saw nugget and take you down the path and go. Oh you got it you just get it to this price and you got him. And then got didn't yeah. They was a circumstance. Recently where we thought someone was Exercise that terminated ingredient verbally. And i came back. I got another deal right now. The deal verbally and then they exercised their first ryder refusal. And i'm like oh my god. It was one of those situations. It was like that was leave behind the scenes. And you don't represent barsha or thrasher or any of these guys but the behind the scenes machinations of that deal where barsha was gone. then he wa- then yamaha matched and then thrasher sign. He got thrasher had out because the team was going to gas gas. Technically not a kate. The thrasher gets picked by star racing. Who was very very aggressive. And then the barsha thing falls into place for gasket. Can you myrtle on the outside. Just think of all the things that were going on with that deal it had to been insane was traveling every weekend and certain people always sitting next to me on the fly so so i was kinda like in on like knew what was happening. You know when we happy one. And then when i found out what happened i don't like probably would do. The same. did probably do the same. I can't talk for that. Represented the representative butts is but the part about the yamaha using its first right of refusal which is in every standard contract people that like every writer out there has safe causing her contract that says we will match. We can match every part of your deal. We can do that and we turn the right to to have you contact now. It never gets used never or very rarely very rarely. I probably i'd say like just for the listeners. The first rider refusal is you sign a two year deal with hundred right. They have a great to use contract up. That always wanna to retain the right to resign you the right to let let's say. Ktm council offers you. Two million dollars honda. Once that contractual right to to match that off key be right. Yeah so and i guess what. What's insane this is really like. In the circumstances that that also comes in and then There the ride is like no. I really wanna go yamaha style really. Does this honda gov. We don't care what you want you taking acting on shot. That rarely rarely happens north. And the is an agent would be like who wants to who wants to pay x. Amount of dollars and he doesn't wanna be wanna ride your bike anymore. You wanted to go to run. So that's where the first the listeners fest writer useful mutt on the contractual process. Why rarely rarely enforced it. Does it gets tricky. And it has been and nine times out of ten people. Just want to see what you're getting off it activate like okay send us the off and then they honestly get a look at what you're getting paid what the other bonus turns out. And that's the that's kinda shitty thing about them as you saw. Well here's here's what's your clients. The jet lawrence hunter lawrence orion mila poco filthy phil a little bit. Who else who else. We got styles robinson max fallen kitchen joe schmo oda schneider. Yeah it's right. Jacob hayes a now from canada. Oh yeah that's right yep awesome. Yeah yeah yeah if you more so now what do you. What do you say now and and i understand that. But what do you say to critics. And there's plenty of people in the pits. Who will you know. Talk shit on anybody that you can do. What do you say to the people that say. Myrtle has too many clients. He has too many clients. He can't service his guys. Because you do have a big roster more so than a lotta guys. what's your what's your take to that and i'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's out there. Everyone has jobs right now and really good jobs right and the other fact is so. That's just on the harrogate like off the cuff. Answer like say that to me. If i've got no one in jobs right the only rider right now. That i have that is out of out of work would be still nicoletti. Right your number one number one rider. Your number one number one guy is waiting the deal on the first thing you know. There's a lot of stuff going behind behind the scenes that you know. We wouldn't be filled with being a really good situation. Should should kinda kept going on and whatnot. But he had a really good thing going up in canada. Eric was eleven it so he was just as direct casualties from covid nineteen in our sponsors pulling out yet but To go back to the original. Like do i have too many guys on the guy in my opinion. You want nukus. Myrtle you want you want an agent. You want an agent that that that has you all around as as you want to know what they're getting old you know what that's worth. Well how that deal would work. What that tame. What was your experience there. If you're one kernan go back to these agents that out there and often come up with insane. Prices and cost ride is deal which we went through this year. A couple agent burnt and our guys back That's the situation. If you don't know you know. I need to know like you could ask me. Okay what. When did i know about dr honda long before the right long before i was already by the time that came out in the media i was already placing. I was already working right. Like i was just like okay. Now he comes so if a guy like a heart rafter you worked with a little bit of hayes is like hey get me on gyco. You're like yeah no no exactly and that's what you tell the right know so you're already working and yeah you know. I have a working document where on constantly placing goes three full years in events knowing where holes are and whatnot. Like you see a lot of you know. I hear when i speak the team managers. They like this guy coming off that. And i'm like why would you even make. That was even make that meaning. They don't have a spot right off right again. That's why that you know like each their own started. Sending guys have certain styles. My style is to to do the best job for the mustard clients them knowledge in the my stability in the most access to rights. Sometimes it's getting one right here. And i'm moving one person here which opens up so you kinda yup but okay so the flip side of that would be like look for a while you work with heart raft and you still brandon. I don't know if you still okay. So you helping heart raft. And you're helping out troll train for a while. A couple of guys am going for similar rides. And so now you as an agent. You're talking to scuba steve at husky. Or roger and they're looking for for the rockstar to fifty spot and you've got two guys. How do you determine who you talking to and how you play somebody there because the the criticism out there is like oh. I wanted to be working just for me and fighting for me. Not for alex martin. You know what. I mean. If i'm if i'm not so sure that's an open criticism i've taken for sure and from parents all or whomever athletes athletes generally blame themselves off. You know really you know. That's pretty tough for them to do. Yes yes exactly really hug. Not against them. But i don't make decisions. I don't i don't write the check for mitch. Payment cross up. In fact you go and talk to mitch frighten. You think anyone's told me how to do. Do what runaround same off what it should sign or who should signed. He's more qualified than anyone. You go in and talk to mitch. And he gave from the facts right so when mitt had that law spot open i had several ride is that were open for that and mitchell. Even tell you what. What did luke come in. I printed off the results of the last two years each showing the trajectory aids every finish halsall position. Stop position right. And even all the so what i did is i went there and gave mitch the in far and and presented and make sure that he knew what he was gonna buy right and so on mitch with with the info that you know he wanted to look. He needed to make a decision he needed to know who was available right and so when there's multiple rod is going for a lot of my right is that's how it goes. That's why i ever he'll you know and and in that kind position which is a key point will get into talking about is when you're at that position in the sport you know you're on the cost not making it one. You probably don't need an agent that much. Because i'm not doing a whole lot like this neural negotiation. When you're getting last ride or you're writing be level. Not it's not like. Oh i to do it because i'm on a time agent. No i'll still do it. But the implement i have is the agent to close. That deal is not a big big influence. That's discretionary on the team and what direction they wanna got. Given the info. I follow up. I follow up on. I follow up. A second probably was down at mitch's twice a week yet. Gossiping talking looking at options and constantly massaging into who he wanted to choose. Yeah interesting right. And absolutely and at some point mitch runs. He has like a tryout right. Yeah and that's what ms midst decided to do. He he test road full guys on that by right now. Alex martin you worked with for number years. Got him a deal. Gr he kind of falls into that category where you guys separated and you're like look there's not a ton for you and you're not gonna make a massive deal because of what's going on there so you kind of know how to do this so like when when i started working with alex was just when he started doing well in the style yamaha writing. He was on a one year. Deal there so. At that point analysis alex's career he needed to really focus on writing he had multiple office run. He didn't wanna be the one dealing with that right and so you take. We took started working together. He decided to go. Ktm much to the dismay of the other team right so he went another direction and from haiti he got dropped by. Ktm and we're very fortunate to land a good rod with jj up We had so we had a real good full five years working together right and then he gets to the point. Where you know these these thirties next year you not. He's getting older right. Yup it's going to be what it's going to be. It doesn't mean he can't win a title next year but the negotiation he's going to have to take on a very personal role in his future. Deals right the third party agent. You know having that agent representing you isn't going to be the answer between you getting the ride on not getting there. You know like the the the avenues. The roads split really into one direction for him wasn't multiple. Avenues wasn't so and it goes for a lot of athletes that i've represented. I looked at the the top ten of of the outdoors this season. I i represent eight of the top. Ten deals you at most ohio. Okay i don a lot of those deals. If i was still working with yup but a lot of those deals is probably would that athlete for six years. We got to a point doing the third to fifty deal that fourth fifty deal guy. If it hasn't worked out the business model the business model of supercross is strictly. Get out of the truth fifty class. That's the business model that pays the most dividends. If you ask any kid doesn't always work out that way with injury. Yeah of course. Yeah but but if you're unfortunately in that two fifty class and you're onto your search for deal. I'm not doing a whole negotiation. I'm placing you. Show your front. And and now you're at the beck and call of. Do they have a spotter ivan. Who's the next best available. Is that rookie going to be good enough to come up next year. Then leaves you in a one year deal. So then you're year to year and that point and that's where the relationship you better hope that team manage allows you you'd better off or maybe more than results. Also right. you'd better or a good guy or whatever yeah exactly it becomes very personality driven. And i've togas now. You should probably this next deal. You should kind get in there and call this guy your cell you know because it's touching and go like when when you have the agents that's you taking yourself out of it and letting letting me handle the business side of things right because you wanna focus you wanna you wanna separation from that. How is so. We saw geico fold up. Jj are dope unfortunately cove it has been a real bummer for a lot of things even though our industries is thriving a little bit but the race team stuff isn't so much. How's that affecting everything for you. How do you feel about our sport going forward with those two teams folding and and the virus still hanging in the air. There's not a lot of different business as usual for you know. I think they got so fortunate. And i think you can agree with me on. I think i'm going to say april june. I think we'll running out of excuses. You know how much week guys were paid to rice and we. It was super fortunate that spelled pulled the trigger and god gut the guys back on the track and delivering. What thou contracted too right. Yep i think real fortunate. Because i think i got to my few sleepless weights where i'm like. Oh my god like this get ugly. You know certain team side you know cutting back and saving costs about a month away from the whole industry going The racing thing with putting on hall and was a concern and again. You gotta give dave prater and the guys that felled. They caught lot of heat but they pulled it off. They really did pull it off. And and a lot of athletes a fortunate to four because if those other sports like out stick a ball day were hurting You know hasn't had an event yet. You know like Action sports x. Games like this this this bleeding there so show and relatively Supercross as a sport and especially what day becomes an. Mx pulse is able to pull off his incredible right. is incredible like where in december now and we made it through. There was casualties. There is going to be ongoing casualties from it. And the fact that you know a lot of these deals from if you're pro taper rental law as a math all of whom ever you know. They like going to the races right. Yeah a lot of this deal is the smell. Feel touch. be there right so with no fans that That makes another hudsell again. So that will be. There is some cows release. There is in our deals that are quite as deals that quite frankly just happening because that's just what we did right. The just kept falling into place. Those you're seeing heck hot so maybe going away or or taking on a different Payment structure due to covid. So there is a there is a bit of a reset going on and then to go on and talk about the teams gyco going away and then. Jag are To the best teams in the pits. Like i love both those teams. I absolutely love dealing with with jeff. Ziggy dr incredible. And i had a great amount of respect for germany. Albrecht and coy. Like my luck. I guys like. I didn't have a bad story about his teams in. That's me personally on. A personal side actually called j bone yesterday. Just tell him. Hey i've missed you. But i enjoyed i respect you you you talk to me when i was nothing and he talked to me the same as when i was something i said want it like i called him instead is wanting to know that. I'm sure we'll work together. And i've just wasn't always gonna you because i wanted to sign you decide to natalie i do care about you. And that's that's the real shame of of them going away. What i see you know. But i'm also not also glimp- phoenix honda's now you know relevant michael lindsay. Got a shot in the eye and now. Hse's go to fifty program now. You see Barracks is barak barks. Yep so now. They're relevant now. And then and then you see zouqi they shut me up so also through through through some good things. Good things fall apart so better things. Can maybe fall into place. I'd like to hope that these teams that may have never got a shot to be a factory team may never had a chance to sign a writer of x. Cala now really taking the ball and run with it having different ideas on attracting sponsors and and probably you know my advice to them. It'd be like think outside the box you know. Let's do it better. And and make the a not misused is on. I'm also excited. The people get an opportunity. You know for sure. Now i mentioned at the top for the wasserman agency. Which is i mean. You know you want to talk about Sports and athletes agency. It's maybe one of the biggest ones out there and nhl and everybody how much now. You're tucked away. I imagine in the corner of this motorsport division. How much does being working for. Awesome and help you to try to get a foot in the door with other people. Now this one of my criticisms. Of and i like steve fan he he ran the motorsports division there and roxanne and everything else and he broke away. One of my things was always like why can't ask the fan. Do anything i you know. There was a little bit stuff discount tire and a little bit. But i would think with the reach and the power of w mg g that there should be more ability for you guys and this will help you profit and everybody else to bring them outside outside. People do our sport. What's going on with that. I don't think it's from a lacquer. Try yeah sure right yeah yeah. it's not from lack. You're trying you know you. Can you can save the you can say the right. I'll break it down as best as i can. motor gp formula. One world superbike Mx gp first and foremost our tv property. Their media company and so so how they attract sponsors and how not endemic sponsors. They really go in media value right media value right now. You know where we're growing sport with action that here in america which competing against some incredible properties mean the nfl nba welby hockey. Any that nasr car you know. There's a lot of sports which have just such up media value that you can't deny you like so what you generally need is someone with a straight interest like if it goes on numbers you know. Hey week where discount tire goes on. Numbers are for jimmy. Johns or whatnot. Yup at the end of the day they look at them media footprint that get from sport compared to where they can go elsewhere. It just isn't in the spot it needs to be yet. Yeah right whatever. We'll get there to be honest. I don't know. But i would have to think it will. I can make athletes bigger Transcend just endemic spice sound. Fortunately as the spalte we've been really really stuck in selling tickets right putting seats in bombs and not without was. That's where we were. And i think we're making great steps on on tv packages and pay per views and gold packages. Bring people in but like if you look at motor. Gp formula one or the they don't care about selling tickets. They care about the tv package and providing a media package that creates revenue for sponsors. And that until we get the Mx gp does a really good job of it because the media package the ability Walked mx gp and follow that sport and just just the overall media package for sponsor. That's pretty pretty nice. I can see where we will be about. We still in the infant stages of really. I've told this story a few times. I'm a huge hockey guy. As you're you're right and you like you like the crappy. La kings and like the powerful. Toronto maple leafs. But i always tell this story like the hockey gets about a million people. And they get mocked in the mainstream press for the ratings right seven hundred to a million people to watch to watch a game and they get mocked we get three hundred and fifty thousand dollars or three hundred. Fifty thousand people watching at most at peak. You know what i mean. Look at that like hockey's a million and they get laughed out of the mainstream so we've got a long way to go so that's one point of at right that's the media pot of and then the other part of but where we're really strong and right is we give brand. Credibility will give us the impression we give content impression and so we still Superstrong like monster was built on action. Sports red bull was built on action sports and really being in aspects we can build brands. It's just you know it's getting getting getting these people out of an office in new york. Who have remodeling project for forgotten will whatever the big multinational brand is is really. Educate them on that. It's so frustrating to for jd. Article two years of being able to get a sponsor. Although i have heard they turned down some deals to you know what i mean like they could have had some titles they were setting a price in koi wasn't moving off that but it's disappointing to them. Not have title is disappointing. Have jimmy johns and dodge in our sport for like a year or two and then just now. We're out like they come in. They're not getting their value right and they leave. Suppressing there's also a certain amount of On a deal no deal last like gyco deal like if jimmy. Johns wants to come in for a year right or two years. We've got welcome at knock it out of the pot. Then they probably don't need to touch that demographic all that you've mock did they get the call credibility. Did they get the exposure. They wanted me to hit that. Maybe the companies do that not really generally the fall to sport or whatnot hitter. They saw their increase. They sold their return in ready to move on. Yeah we wanna hit urban market off wanna hit you know You know whatever whatever it could be whatever demographic they move onto next and so we'll go that it's just that we have a revolving door of guys trying to get in that dole. You know i'm sure are. And i just think i'm strong believer that we do offer you know brand credibility that's what we sell. We sell content. We give you know but when it comes down to head to head with bill bowed out front at lax. The four five something. That probably beats us. Sometimes we grow. That's my job. That's my job in building. Our some synthesized in the sport and slowly doing it. Well there's nothing better than watching. Supercross is pretty good. Gotta get that into everyone's living rooms notch through could be through hulu netflix and dipper projects. I'm placing piecing together now with key athletes to get them into everyone's door right. You can tread lightly on this question or you can tell me what you want but one of my like okay so the energy drinks and look there have been a boon to our sport. They keep it going. But i was. I was involved in the sport before they were around and to me. People wanna say the energy drinks are keeping the thing alive. Well i say no. They are certainly helping but are are endemic sport with the ticket sales and the all. The things that we just discussed is big enough that you know people will come in our sport. Because i don't want to hear about how the everybody owes the energy drinks. Okay like they're awesome. They've helped out. I get it four scher but but to me. This was here before them. And it'll be gone. It'll be hereafter them okay. So that's my opinion but now having said that behind the scenes you know life you hear some things that these energy drink companies. These some of these. Ceo guys some of these guys are involved at the energy drinks decisions. They make some of the things. They demand some of the things they work. I just like at some point. You know like i have a lot of sponsors that pulp amax. I fly being the biggest. One flight isn't call me and say hey man you need to do your show this way. You know we pay you this much money. You need your show this way users who you need to have a guest. They sponsor the show because they believe in me and my -bility to run a show and be funny entertaining and all of that. Well the energy drinks. I feel myrtle out of their step out of their line. A lot in our sport and it's not always a good thing. I mean again. I'm thankful that they're here. But some of these stories. I hear the energy drinks. Just drive me crazy. Yeah i can see your point. And i can see your point and i can also see point. Yeah for sure. You know to to be devil's advocate. If fly paid you five times that page. They may they may be looking for more for that. Bach right Right like speculating on the deal. Right it really depends. Like i can do a deal with someone and they just is right. I can do a big deal with someone. And i just keep them happy. The worst thing that can happen is my guy. Were thing that can happen. I ten messages during the main event. Like what why is this so small and you're just like you know. Yeah i did you tell me. Sort interrupt you. But i think it. Was you telling me that you were getting taxed while the guy was on the line from sponsor freaking out about a logo or something and you're like the gates about to drop l. freaking out on the it wasn't just a low. The camera angle on the stotts. Okay it was. It was the camera angle. And you're like can. We just discuss this monday. Like the camera angle. What they shut little to the right and go wasn't there. Oh my god and so. They wanted me to run down. Needless to say. I ended that deal. They wanted to stay on and the client just said we're out. I think we're going to keep you happy. Kerr's if i'm gonna get in trouble on the on the camera angles like i don't need you guys like okay so anyway. It's back to back to what you're saying. Starting to go back on the energy drinks. Look that great. I think they get a lot of value. That built the built some record-breaking stock prices on the back of action sports thou forever. You have really cornered at an attack the demographics through that and being successful on the other hand we we do need them to to be that and we also we've also got back the product we give 'em you know it's not charity. This is this is a business. Arrangement is good spur credibility sponsorship exposure. The likes right so as a sport. We've also got a whole hall. Todd on on what we give and not but they have been around a long time and they have their bosses to answer to as well so you continue a deal right. It's like kind of how we talked before like when rockstar continues husky econ just repeat the same thing and expect it. Just go forever. Those guys like calcio. O'day gal in mitch covington or german lap have to increase the value. Giving you can't decide the value was five years ago and this is what we do. We're always going to do it right that. That's not that so yes. Sometimes there's some extension on on us. Some wants mr. By the same point that the they're trying to do get make sure they get the return on investment and justify the investment digordon subsurface. Sure i can. I can see the frustration on buys pot. I've often said that you know. Maybe maybe the non endemic companies. Like you know what. I don't believe it'd be the end of the world should energy drink to pull out because i think it would create a lot of opportunity maybe digital content cellular to come in like when let's say for example munster pulled out or whatnot you know. I don't think it would be that that for. At and t. to come in as titles on t. Mobile would need to sponsor team and verizon would come in because it it always fits. I always loved that democrat. I always love that. That that of cellular cellular dater and content always being sport but at what level can get in right now a company like that would only want to own the series right or own a yeah been pushed to get in there. Yeah crazy crazy. That honda can't seem to get somebody. I don't know i'm sure they've tried but they've been sponsors for a long time and that's honda. You know. I mean that's a that's a horrific team so but but honda also wants the right partner to yeah and i think they're very comfortable with the business model is changing like they are going to need some stuff or whatnot but also honar isn't going to completely change the color of the motorcycle change. What a hey see. Motorcycle looks like day day with needs to right partner at the right con makes the most sense you know. They don't wanna be in ever golfing dole situation. I think that's just the the prada of honda darn and the direction of always found around. Hse today red bull one for fusing milk and the branding. Minimal fly racing racer x podcasts. Lucas myrtle fly reysen dot com. Please check them out. Just break. zach osborne Savant ci bogus. Guys weren't fly racing of course flowers dot com or twenty twenty. 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Ken rocks in wearing using the fat bar. Thirty six to win some races this year. Thanks to the folks at race tech as well. Pump twenty zero zero to save race tech. Get your motor work. Get your motor service to get some work done. Get your suspension service. Get some revolved on gold. Kits are fantastic goal. Vow kits are great at race tech. So please check those guys out and race tech service centers. All over the country merged. Let's talk a little bit about your clients now a little bit one by one here. Can i just make a full confession here. Mirtz a full confession. I'm jetted out. I'm jetted out and that's due to you okay. So i can't wait till we get racing in houston and now. I can see jet on motocross track. It's good for this and we just talked about it. You know we really. I think as got march. He's got a video got new gear. He's got an energy drink new team a lot of jet. We go to embrace it. We got to input. We want this. And it's not just yet like i have you know max bowl and styles robinson that generate in levi kitchen. Joe shimoda like we've really got a as a sport. You know these guys. I need to make any to make them and push them in every every avenue. Possible jets obviously had an incredible rookie year in a Very marketable kid. And he's got a lot of buzz on that. Yeah i don't give a shit what the industry says if they think it's like being straight up this is too much so guess what i'm not trying ever on the industry already nicer jet lawrence's right way to where the growth is split. I need to i need. I need jet lawrenson in every every living room in america i need jochen motoring. Every living room in japan and america max vol- and stars robinson we ought to grow and become big. We need to make storylines and we need to over expose. So i've heard i couldn't shit i couldn't give if i'm in school right. I'm an old school. i'm not the guy you're catering to for sure you already know. Jet lurches already done as him winning races and doing that. He's already done his job. The job now is to bring in new fans and a show and introduce people this or get people motorcycles and riding and stuff. So you know. Guy who lives in albuquerque It's since the eighties. He probably don't get along. lawrence is about. We ain't trying to anything. i don't really care about. Yeah i don't care. I already know who he is. This certain stuff that we're going to do with the younger athletes. And as we you know i've been doing this a while now and i see the pitfalls in our see where we've got to go as a sport you know i don't mind i don't mind jet saying what he wants to say. Mine styles doing what he wants to do within reason but we definitely have to attract a broader audience again. I don't care if someone endemically says he's coffee or he's this i didn't want you to like him like you'll probably say it's the same thing we live. We live through the jason lawrence thing. Everyone hated hated. The guy right now. Never miss lawler opinion. That is the greatest thing if you lift it at that time. That endemic fam- hated him. Yeah yeah no you're absolutely but the difference o. J. j. was a dick off the track. Too many people jenin jet is not that way. Jets coors the kid funny. Yeah so there's a there's a little bit different to me. The number one thing that my know and jet to answer this yourself it and i'm sure him athletes it's and then if you're talking about minded you're not talking about said it is going to be stuff that rolls out for anyone in my clients over the next ten years of tart crop of mental superstars. That i we will disrupt the norm. We will push the envelope. And maybe i'll be wrong on some things. Maybe i'll be. I'll i'll knock it out of pocket. Maybe don't wanna see a screening. Tiktok is around the semi truck. I'll get them. I i love it. I love it the fact that i think. Jets the real deal. I think he's going to win races. That's what i care about in the media. I don't care about the ads. I don't care about the videos. I mean they're all cool but you're gonna hate what's coming. Okay all right. Good to know. But i had somebody involved with the lawrence's tell me one time they're just like man. They're like myrtle like he loves them. Now obviously you are financially benefiting from a relationship with darren the dad and hunter and jet and the whole family but but this person was telling me like how much you love them and how much you care about them. Which in this day and age isn't doesn't always happen. Tokyo's obviously all being australian helps a lot but tickets through meeting darren and wrapping the family. And how that happens. We'll first incident. I care so that's just because they dealt with that. I absolutely love and care about everyone guys done. Money has nothing to do with the cast actor or whatnot right Care you know every one of my clients. I expect to be there first. Call regardless if i need to bring them bowel money right and for sure. There's a balance. Sometimes one may get more attention and it's a it's a balancing act that that you know that's ever-evolving it doesn't mean i'm on the podium for just because this guy want like the there is a genuine. I can't do this job. i don't wanna do. This job is sell real estate. If i don't care about the guy. And i've represented dies khanna. Just didn't like doesn't lie doesn't work you know i'll be honest like certain guys that i've got a like the kid. I thought i loved to right a lot of be all in seldom. You can relate to that a little bit. Because at yamaha i was. I could've stayed another year and worked as as a factor mechanic. But i was a little over the over the place and then red dog was getting fired which i would have given my left arm for tim to have success right and they said you gotta work with voss he thought and nothing against voss. I was fine with them. But i'm like i am. I don't care enough about voss's results to stay here. You know what i mean like i to wrench for the kyw. I had to be all in. I had to on the same way. It's like you gotta care. You know. I i'm not bullshitting this. This year like i was doing eighteen hour days. You know that you can call me at any time a and whatnot. And i'm there like i speak to tell four in the morning because made him both get up early phone rings. I mean and that we talk talk. Do most of business before one's awake and strategize just because it's before the rings but not not too to hope but to go on the lawrence's you know they looped with me die. Have stay with me. I is represented them when they were living in a camper in a shed. In your day the rags to riches Story you know i. I wasn't there when it was all all dotson. Champagne again designations. Wins and motor wins with hunter. I was there really early in the in that in the piece they always had a lot of talent. You know so. I was there you know i was lost at by a couple teams when i told about hundred arts right you know like and for that fact jet lawrence like did this team manages. That may listen to this and go. Yeah shit right. I took i took heat on the shore. But that was one. That really came Came through darren. Lawrence is is a super dear. A friend of mine I look to him as you know. It's not just the client. It's it's a different relationship. They live they live at the obviously. He seems he seems. Like there's so many crazy parents. Darren lawrence's not seem like one of them at all. No no no no. No dad darns one of the best out there. But i have the same relationship with any because obviously they're not from here so when i did bring them over here it was asked to take the lawrence family under my wing and i'm not under my wing brick wall street wing in scotland lawyer. He does a lot for them. And you know it's just a different relationship then being a. Us based app late. Us base athletes already got their truck. They've already house already. Got social security. Llc setup this this to move a whole family and you know the lawrence's also have tight which they're autistic brother. It's it's a very much a family but you know it's very much business. You know where where friends is to clear. Like i believe i have the same relationship with everyone in my athletes. Phil would disagree well. Let's fill fill is never happy. He's never been happy with one deal. You've done right every deal you've done you. Of course on the pope show people will remember. You didn't get a boot deal. That infuriated him. No one likes these like one of my best friends in the world. Like a piece of war. He some incredible he's the he's the best humans and everything good about motocross and supercross to be honest. And let's kinda like why do this job is is it all isn't gotta be overall wins and champagne private jets and first class tickets run. I started at the bottom of this this whole deal that i've worked my way. I shouldn't even be where i'm at today. But it was because i. I love guys. Like that like your. Don't have a podium so together we don't have that but we share way more fun on a friday. Not when he ducks out and makes me pay the bill. But that'd be the best dinner i had you know. It's just different relationships. But now i love bill i love. He's saying he's a scrap. He could have been born from the same town on him. Yeah crap from the streets. Right you could sean like i think being you think the same i love and he deserves everything you've got out of that and just going to keep him out of the penitentiary system employed in that for as long as i can. But let's let's hope so. so ron. Villa porto is retired and he is making a ton of money. He's got a lot of stuff going on. He just switched to converse. he has a deal with yamaha. He's on a answer. Get an answer deal for a couple of years. He he's got this fight club stuff going on he. He's he'd motorsport right the guys at motorsport. He's everywhere he's everywhere and when he raced we all predicted that he would go and live in a log cabin somewhere and never come out again. Because he's he miserable he was not happy. And i think you've had a lot to do with him being the people's champion quote unquote the greatest retired writer. Ever we came back. We can't get rid of ryan villalpando and you have a lot of blame for that. Yeah i love lavi tell you. I'll be honest. Like the moment when i had to run wanted to sign with me. And he split with his own management manager. Bobby nichols forever right. Yeah yeah and he came over to me i was. I don't know like if i was like holy. Fuck this in our language. If this is the greatest opportunity ever. I was of looking at it. Oh cool now. i'm riding. The public is really messed up. You know it was a lot of pressure. Not that i thought i was but a lot of pressure and i really we really really hot to knuckle down and unfocused like when i inherited ryan. Monthly deal wasn't there. He was exiting cowley. There was those turbulence turbulence on every facet like wasn't like. I just took part agenda view of the public and then a why wouldn't you do strike rhythm yamaha. Why wouldn't you keep them. You know we had. I had really knuckle in it and and get into. Obviously one of the greatest of all times Greg rice fulltime racer. But we went racing at the time. How where was that angle. Where was the value where to go and and you had some people that were saying. Hey we'd sign up if he raises some supercross and nationals but he. He doesn't want to do that so you. That's the angle you were already handcuffed. A little because rv did not want to come back and even rates a partial schedule. I've tried i've tried. And i'm gonna try other i. I've always been big on the comeback. I think you know we saw some thais offer new texts stop. Just stop like we just kinda found what made sense and really leverage these value within split. And and i think the biggest thing was really showing the personal side of yeah yeah and really converting him from this on obtain neom greatest of all time multi champion. That doesn't really relate to anyone was really kind of finding that finding what he felt comfortable and then making show you know you know coming out coming out with partnerships with with current brands Tyrant pot is a new partners. That really made sense to potties and and it worked and it's being nothing but genuine and honesty. The most fun time ever. He's phenomenal and our listeners. Love them like every. Yeah they love them. And i listened to and i i'm just dying and he'll like when he does he'll call me. I think the best fucking idaho. I keep that poke show going. No trust me. I hear it to you. Need to pay me but put me on payroll and then it'd be like how much commerce Seven eleven phone is always always open for business for poco. Listen i think he deserves some credit for that. He's making a lot of money. He doesn't mean dive like he has his billions in the bank. He could just sit back and do whatever. He was testing with yamaha and iran. Probably ten dollars any. I know right totally. But but he he's He's doing well in post retirement life and that's really i think that's a little bit of a tribute to you. How you sold them and what he's done yet. I appreciate it. I think it's one that really did work out. And it's just a matter of identifying talent identifying strengths identifying weaknesses and then you know just sharing the creating that vision that we needed to what would be like He's done he's done a you know taking it taking the bull by the horns and he he's arguably is valuable as he as he was racing as he is now It's pretty nice. That's the trick but again it starts like a lot of young budding agents. Kids emami a message me and like you know. It's about identifying talent and then understanding how that can make sense to a brain and selling it you know. It's not a matter of just with the jobs bigger than i will. Just put the sticker on my nose day. Those days are over his content its strategy. It's it's everything a marketing plan around them. I gotta do some with motorsport. Here coming up i should. I should send you an email or text you after this and see if we can get round involved. It'd be pretty good. Yeah great company. Yeah yeah really good company. Great guys so max. Vol- in was a curious deal two year deal with red bull. They're getting the team. Obviously because of the gas gas thing. And i mean i had amateur parents at three three year deal. Okay i had amateur. Parents tell me this year that he's cherry picking he should be an shouldn't be where he is. Talent is slow playing his career to rack up. Championships blah blah blah you know all the typical amateur bullshit but point is your point is merz is that everybody was like. He doesn't belong in his class. And all sudden boom. he's pro. how much of an issue how much. How long did you guys deliberate over making this jump. That a lot of people think is too too much too soon. They're they're entitled to that opinion. And i think if you if you really go down and and really spend some time with max and talia realize he is he is the real deal right and ultimately comes down to it. Okay so we. We moved the schedule ahead of headgear. Did you guys just want him to do six latte races at many hours right. Yep do you want him to do ten last ten ten minute motors at these amateur events and the biggest problem is like what was going to benefit. Max i need these kids need to get up there then not getting the experience in this amateur program here. This isn't the mx class. That's the problem dan. He could have stayed amateur this year. Right to fifty bates. The whatever he wants to d- does that make him any more ready than ease now next year and i would say you note does Needs he needs a no pressure environment. Which is the deal. Ktm roger nin did with him is a no pressure. You obviously studies on pressure on the on. Expectations puts himself. But he's in a long term deal. And i would. I would quiz anyone. Anyone what was going to get out of doing these. These these amateur events that last all week rice twice died if you're lucky that there was no benefit and within the same. He's following the same trajectory. And i heard the same conversations i heard about jet lawrence last year but oh my god what are you doing. What are you what what are you doing. I heard the same stuff and i. You know. I kept mcleod's close to my chest in dr and i think it's going to be a very similar story. I promise any results. I'm not gonna say that. But i can tell you right now. He's going to be the real deal and he's got a huge career in front of in front of him and and huge opportunity with with arguably one of the most successful teams in the pits I you know. I don't see it's not. It's not going to file a work ethic. There he comes from a pedigree a rice. Paddy second-to-none Again you know. I understand what people are saying. But i there's not a better alternative and you know and and talent talent. Smart guy yeah. Calendar was telling one of my favorites growing up leaving work with him. But yes i think. I don't think the question is on on. Max fallen going up. And it's more of a question on that. Lucas myrtle as an agent not blogger really values. This amateur saint right. And i'm not going to get. I'm not going to get a whole lot out of having having these guys continually you know if you go ahead a win everything you cherry tickets if you go ahead and not win in good enough riding. It's really not a strong odd state to get in there. And i think if you have that ability that outstanding ability that are jet as a styles Amac's has we gotta get him in there. We gotta get him racing in our As long as myself does a deal and critique because a lot of kids have come off and not succeeded right and there's been a lot of mistakes made on guys crear. thank god. None of those guys were any of my clients. There's there's been artem mistakes made for sure happy you know. The biggest thing is giving these kids insurance plan that they've got years to make it happen rot and not everyone's on the same site trajectory with them. I can tell you right now. holiest threes time. Max will be a supercross champion Champions oh yeah. He's the best of course you again. My my issues average murder cross him. I don't know what he would have benefit doing five races spending the week. You know obviously at many and doing that and especially jet to to win a five light rice you you take a look at risk in amateur classes classes They have the senate and then not learning technique then not learning the ability within five minute. Motor race enough right. That's that's that's the thing they they write these four or five mini majors. Then call it a day so they get outside of loretta. They race in our a year outside no for sure. It's a big problem and the europeans getting stronger jet time when jet can jet went one one asan. Mx class at any time over the next racing. Rice many is five right six racists. Darren dan lawrence is like we're going to go back to your we'll come back. Who's the client you've had that you just didn't gel with that. They didn't it didn't happen. You wish you could do better for them. They wished you could do better for them. You didn't gel with the family. Whatever is there a do over out there for you. That you several do of is like you know. Probably just talk for x. Amount of time and i sound like i have all the answers in a note that there's a lot of liz led a learning involved in. You know it doesn't stop. I'm not perfect every day. I get on certain stuff. I look like a hero. And then certain stuff stops out of my control if it's the athletes personality Just they are. I'm not probably not gonna main that there certain that was a certain athlete this year. That didn't missed out on iraq. Right and i've heard and decided like he took a ride but he didn't need me to do it. No one the commission on it. But then as i as i hear. I'm like oh the dow frustrated. They think you've pushed out of the guy's foot and it's disappointing to hear this. I just couldn't sell it. I just like these people thought he is. You know who's an argument or whatever they just couldn't sell this. I love them and like them a lot. But i just couldn't sell i couldn't sell them for the for the life of me and i come across and with all and they have their rights as obvious got this rider. This guy go this so it's disappointing. They all copy home runs. You know it's like an nfl draft right chicago. A of teams pasta patch. Patrick mahomes so and i kind of of myself in the same boat. it's not always is not always ideal for five a pretty good position right now. I landed. I landed the plane. Probably tim can go to sleep tonight. With we've what we've gone for covid pretty pretty dang happy with where we live there. There is some that one. And there's been guys. I don't even like a and and i'm just like us just not my athlete and sometimes it takes six months to kind of learn that and just the you gotta be motivated to work with them. Absolutely so you know. Obviously you not involve with it but the rumor is is black. Bag is owed some money from the team and he's off the team basically just quit. They're probably going to go down the legal road and in a case like that and again you're not involved with it but how much of that is going on in our industry. How much of that stuff is travis. Preston talked publicly about suing a couple of companies. That didn't pay him and he he got small claims court a little bit of money and other people. Riders i know are like you know what i take this guy to court but my court costs with almost equal. What mode blah blah. How much of that is really going on. Do you think it's not as much as you'd think i'd probably dealing this year. We probably dealt with scotland. I probably dealt with probably three collections. You know can be kinda went down that road but like honestly like it. You only get into that gray area if you don't contract the right way yup yup and that's fortunately like the conflict about how big wasserman is. Why would be sports agency. Because i have a team behind me that warrant allow shady bullshit gray area. And that's cloudy. I can put out. You know scotland legal group and and just as a general when you get into business with us. it's done rotten. It's done the right way and some people don't want to deal with me. Because it is a process by outlines sign up for that client of protection they sign up the for that ability and so i can't talk on the blake bagged thing. I really don't know much about it. Otherwise i probably heard the same stuff you have. I'm sure was talking more in general like as far as in our industry. Does that happen a lot but not really not not not love. Great deal for us. It's very minimal minimal. i'd say one out of thousand deals mega get to holy. What not only because it's being hype it up the correct way right now. I've talked about a little bit about how i went in on insurance policy with. Rj hampshire for the year. And it didn't quite work out. The way i wanted it to read is talked about how he just crushed it. Right in two thousand nine with an insurance agent with insurance deal. It's more and more popular. How popular are these things. Do you think where a sponsor or a writer themselves or somebody says to lloyd's of london. I'm going to pay down this policy. And i believe this rider. We'll get these number of wins or these number top threes or whatever the deal is and i'm gonna hope to cash out. How common are those. Do think i think. I brought it back to the honesty. I think as you can agree. I think i think it was really big in the two thousand thousand mid two thousand. Yeah chattan talked about. I want to say he collected a couple million dollars. The teams are always like the public are like the million dollar bonuses and and the bonuses there will ensure any depending on the athletes villa become. Uninsurable o'malley yeah uninsurable. So then it comes out so the teams have been doing it for a long time. No one wants to sign up and then like genova. He's not would be if it was out of his own pocket that on tnt races in a row. And all i don i one cost you know so so i kind of feel like i haven't heard a lot about it and then i start. You know not big night myself like a lot of it's called within us. But i think pushing pretty hot looking at policies i it's You know it's dialogue load. It's a very difficult sport to do. Do it on Yeah certain policies like make sense and the only get one year of making sets the the the pays off or are runs aground. So no i think you know there's more and more more and more i. Rj should've kept writing with his torn. Acl that's what. I vote strongly in that especially the way that it went south with jay martin leaving the series and everything. So i would like i would like to contact lloyd's of london if you can for me represent me for that and and complain about so i thought the scientists. It's not not at body you're next. Hey you represent a jerry. Martin and alex like you said and you were one of the guys. That was fighting. Hard for jeremy when he was fighting with star. And you don't need to get into. You can get into as much detail as you want. But just the simple question for you is. Can you believe that. Bobby reagan and jeremy martin are working together again. Can you believe this. I me neither awesome. Yeah no hey listen. I winners winners. make funny funny bedfellows lack. I said what you know. We we rise to win. And and for me. That water off the duck's back now like that was a long time ago. It was a very Probably looking back. In hindsight i think is very toxic relationship with blame on buzz. Buzz people young. And i'm sure that's where those guys probably got an agreement in just gonna let bygones be bygones and i wanna win. You want to win. let's get married. I'm glad it worked out for germany. Yeah but yeah that probably took a few years off my law back there and and i stuck on and i did a lot lot forum and i thought the thinks of him At that point. What's what's the biggest mistake you see. Made by riders and teams riders and families so or teams and managers. What's the what's the biggest mistake. You've seen mistakes. Todd's pinpoint thinking where family best friends. I don't know where best friends like. It's cool you know. This is nothing against the teams or whatnot. But this this professional false this is a business you're paid to deliver and the spend a lot of a lot of money to to get results in they have people and to it but like You know. I think it goes from anyone from from a young amateur amateur coming into the pro ranks to run villa. Pud your life. This is strictly business yup dry. They're tied to java monette jobs. Done if it's a succeeded. We continue the relationship. If it isn't done it's over. And and like you know the diktat of of representing a lot of young athletes as they come up is really acknowledging the fact that mom and dad like this is a business and you gotta approach it that way and you. I've secure secure your child your son off the best shot it's succeeding you know so ultimately it's a it's a lot of dumbfounded trust though yarn. Talk or a blonde is on that none that we just want loretta. Everything's gonna be fine with They love it that that that can change. You know and you know. I think i think every young kid in that position knees representation to to to navigate. Those first deals in the mice critical. Mike o'brien and anyone who approaches is I deals that that. They're not make a bright. You're fooling yourself that these young deals these first deals laming. Loretta is emc. Mx to to whatever you know. These are so critical. Because you run off the expectation you know. Everyone's getting into the bed in the bed with each other with the wrong expectation these things file in Tot and that's really through communication and understanding what we're getting into not just because they got the greatest because i just want the class right that not love this that that that love dims real quick racing forty thirty five plus minutes. Yeah no actually good point. Yeah absolutely. I gotta be honest early on myrtle i was not a fan of yours and and we become friends now and admires some stuff that you you've talked about honestly good and bad and everything else and one of the reasons. Why the reason why. I wasn't a fan was because when jeff racing came in a lot of people revolve involved with that team mechanics or or sponsors or whatever and it was josh grant and i don't remember who else it was but it just went sideways and a lot of people pointed fingers at you and of course it wasn't all you but that that was not left a an negative impression to me and you know at some point you kind of told me the story a little bit and as much as you want to get into. What what. What kind of went south there with with you and that was on your first things that you did in america it was it was it was. It was ambushes right. It was shooting to the size. I think twenty six at the time super yang. jeff will got together in micronesia. And you know money on the team Unfortunately i did a lot of the work on there and and it was the same figurehead right on. I wasn't the one making the decision on it. I really didn't have any control. If there's a do over do i take. That do not taught me a lot about myself taught me a lot about this industry. I thought everyone love right. I thought i was doing great. I think we we did a great job on on it but ultimately what that all fell down to is there was someone in the background paying the bills. Do making the decisions but didn't want her a full and eventually pulled. The rug onto a lot of people wasn't on it wasn't on what lucas myrtle said i was discount are blindly dumbly causing post. You're pushing the train down a track that cliff right and they're seeing that. I remember when that fell ogre. I couldn't get out of bed. I thought i was done. I took i took a part time job after that. Like did you really. Yeah i was done. I felt like i failed. I felt like the wall. But i think potted any great success story. You've got a threat you thought about. It told me a lot. I met a lot of great people in but yeah definitely. I've put myself in a row vulnerable position that i had no control of key mistake that i may on that time pasta and we can all talk about but i was. Don't think i gotta Three months you know. I i wish depressed. I thought my world. I thought everything. I've worked full just destroyed and misconceptions and and ultimately won one of those things falls over right. There's a blame game. And here's the young twenty six year old twenty-seven-year-old that just they just piled on. Because i also to you were new right so you didn't have a background of success as an as the guy no for sure and like i said it was one of those things that i would never sign up for now until everyone had exposure right but i is essentially put myself front and center. I look. I'm pretty dang proud of what what i did. Obviously the ending was with was train rap right. That was a team that we both the box. Well they both the box off temecula motorsport right and they Acting was saint louis and podium did steel city all one of those rounds dot com like. I did that in my first year trying to do it. You know these teams out at still trying to get back down and not putting that like always great again. I wasn't the nutmeg. God there that was trying to do it. I didn't run the mechanics of the team or whatnot. I just put two people together. Micron yakin jeff ward and. Then you know went about it you know. Do i do it again. Like if i could go back in time man. I wouldn't but i don offset the lessons. I learned made me the person i was today announced from that that kick in the balls and salvia made me a better father a better agent. You know really really gave me to stop and rebuild and do it differently. Because i was young like i just seen and then you look at hindsight like. Jj is gone. Now i see. Hey twin you know. geico's gone. It's it's ridiculously tough to earn a team. And it's ridiculously tough to depend on one person to pay the bills. It meaning Fits coy or if it's a micronesia whatnot. I love other people. They do great. And i'm not discounting what they've done but this. It's a fickle thing. When these things do full. Kat it's ugly. Yeah no absolutely. And i got fired from a couple of jobs so i can relate. I was going to be a factory mechanic. And i made it onto different factory teams but along that way. I got fired a couple of times and didn't feel so good. Don't know for sure. And like this. On that i sat back myself. I saw you know. I went through and i said laugh. I went took a part time job to make. Sure i you know and i didn't own sent out of that thing right. And that's the worst thing that probably the worst thing erin. Did i wish at least pulled two hundred and fifty thing and then people hated me money. I left broker than i start again. It was serving mistakes on my part. And then i took a part time job while still representing games action. Sports guys And it was just this like honestly this reality check. Where like you know. You're either gonna fucking do this. And i'm you use profanity and everything to do this and come back and win this thing and do what you're meant to do and had be the best outta all you can all everyone what they're saying all their opinions or whatever dead right there right about you right i said you can that you hit that full-throated fork in the road and you go take that thing and it was it was it was a disappointing. I'm proud of water. I'm proud of what i did. And how i went in and attacked it so i wouldn't be where i am today without that that attitude and approach it's just it's just a circumstance you you'd lay it up way different for sure i know i can. I can relate man for sure that i was saying like you have to fail to to know what you did and to be stronger. And you also coming from my side of things. I've been in the in the pit since nineteen ninety-six and i've seen a lot of guys come and go in that position that you were at forty now. I'm trying to justify me not liking you myrtle. But we're i'm just like this. This guy you know. Look at that amschel guy. I mean just a clown right in gone now and and there's been all these guys have come in and they're gone and you're just like fucking just another one of these dudes so i give you a ton of credit for for doing stuff that you said and rebuilding yourself and take enough on the road and and you know being successful in the industry if you look at that and you know you like oh man what i was doing so good. Thought i had all these friends and you said you didn't make any money either money. You know people can say what. I don't know it was just one of those deals. And essentially you become the fall guy and this is a lot of mistrust than they were. You know do your. Do you have relationships with managers and owners out there. That is like adversarial. Like you're like this fucking guy like i gotta get. I gotta get hayes arrived with this guy. Or i got. I got a call. This guy about sh- motor and he hates me. And i kinda like him and here we go like. Do you have that with a few people. Because i mean it's all negotiations your your business. But but i have. I have a couple of people that i'm going to say. I can't stand this guy and i a call. You know what i mean. I i al fisher wheatley people that would until you right now buck in myrtle to deal with myrtle yep due to i have what they want and they can't get it without going through me. That's frustration which i can understand. They have because you know whatever reason maybe they look a lotta people don't have self accountability. Nagging people appointed fingers on perfect one but a lot of people dying honest. Because i just didn't do enough right. It's all trump. it's always somebody else's fault in that's just human nature and work at a if you worked in office right my greg firm accounting my hate you know but but i'd like to think that it always comes around and and i think the industry shows that like you know it's good to have a bit of a short term memory and i've had to learn that because i was probably i. I still need to learn that. Myrtle i still yet carry some long rogers man and i'm the same but like all the and and i have two daughters and what i realized what really matters in this well dame you know people are gonna do what they're gonna do they gonna. Why in that stuff. We can't control like control. I represent the athlete. And you know. And i honestly think that as in asia you shouldn't be loved. Hey i think as the media guy if everybody loves as a media guy. I'm not doing it right yet. I i honestly think as an agent like just kind of talking like i go into every remaining knowing like for my athletes. This could turn into a lot. And i'm prepared to go to any lengths for my athletes. Don't get me wrong and that and that could be contentious For some who have to deal with me. But i'm not. If i wanted to be popular loud scream at the beach. I've said that before a one job in that that's the best job for my clients and ensure that the career has is profitable a mold than profitable during a position to succeed and it takes a little friction and make a fire. We my job's not to be loud. And i think everyone my clients will would want me in that position once they get into it and and start learning how this business or any professional sports has business works. I and. I'm sure it's your business days other podcasts out. There people their opinions on us as opinions. This people going after your sponsors. It's it's an. It's an aggressive to live and twenty twenty five the pandemic. It's aggressive i. It's you gotta you've gotta believe in what you do one hundred percent and you don sway on that wolf will second height that And some people will respect it. I respect it i. I'd rather the guy that would punch in the nose than that high five men and then took tell the guys in the next radio on the wanka so yeah. It doesn't worry me now. But i will be honest back in the day. I woke grants all five offline battle. Now i'm just prepared to do what's right in there for my client and understanding of the doing this a long time now and i've got a lot of clients that i know what's right and what's wrong and you know it's pretty clear line when i deal with people on that you you're also one of the few guys that goes to a lot of races you're on a lotta racist and and a lot of ages you never see yep i'll use it you'll see them when they win. The pits a call hans dirty and major komotini. One time. I should name his name. But i'm not going to guy comes up to me and goes dude you should. Hey you should hire this guy or not hire. You should have this on your show. Like he's awesome. He keep an eye on him. he's going to get a ride. I love. I love him. He's just the greatest guy i'm like. How's he doing and the guys like. What do you mean i said. We broke his leg last practice. And the guy just bolted dude guy. Mathis broke his leg. Yeah i swear to god true story. I'm like fucking agents fucking age that that was that class. I'll text you the guy's name when we hang out. Probably but i i'm into that guy too. I love a good story lacks touch. How's he doing. He broke his leg. Watts boob gone dish as he's running away. We'll get sucked right. Exactly the hassle and you do know and you know you know. There's been riders that haven't talked to me and don't like me and run their mouths about me and i've gone to the guys agent and been like. Hey man we gotta figure something out like. I don't really like your guy. He'll like me. But i have a huge platform and we should do. We should try to fix this. Somehow because it would be good for me and be good for your client. And i've had this guy. Just do nothing just laugh. Like they don't care and that's never emerge. You would never do that. I know you wouldn't. You'd be like okay. What are we gotta. Do you know what i mean like. And i'm not just saying it because it's self serving for me but i think as an agent that's your job that's one of your jobs and this guy just laughed and thought it was funny and cool cried on you know but i like the guy but i'm just like i don't think he's doing his client service. The pod is really navigating Potted my the role is is taking these kids from for from young kids through to becoming adults. Internet's you know. You teach them maturity you teach them social presence and understanding situations which you know rising amateurs in you know in motor homes from the age of nine doesn't really genuinely teach a lot of skills. Our problem-solving actually teaches none zero. So the caught at my job. I'd like to think is is that you know you can help certain guys through life and and make it true on that kind of situation you know. I think i've i've put guys on your show. I haven't liked you and for the fact me with we've had differences. No not really but like it's just honesty and if you can't handle someone that's honest you're not my kind of person you know like i said i think the world needs more of it but i think it just comes down to you know if you'd be honest you're you're good and you got a tweet. She jumped is going to have opinion. Is you take your public. Figure your Athlete that it's not gonna be all you know Ticket type pariahs in you know half half the people who follow instagram athletes. Half the people on instinct. It like three quarters of the people on your instagram. On the see succeed the today the front road. What's the full not just as a society if bleeds. It leads if it's ever much as you seem not to watch it. Go all the way to the end right again to a judge's decision we watch you say you want someone you want someone getting knocked out you want to highlight and and the general public is the same way they wanna headline that wanna they want something to To discussing and you can see that you can either avoid that or my role. Might me as an engine. I want to embrace that. If they're not talking about us. When you are good over you know while listen if one of your jobs when you walk into a manager you might be in a bar fight. You were fucking patrick. Swayze and roadhouse with the alex martin contract good work. Good work on. That is okay all right all right. Well hey thanks mertz touch on everything we have anything else. We'll get okay fantastic Fly racing racer x podcast presented by rental. And max of course thanks time. Thanks for being honest Nice to give my listeners. A leak a peek behind the curtain. Kind of what goes on a little bit and thanks man and we'll talk soon. I'm sure twenty twenty. You're in eighteenth. Okay sweet. I can't wait fantastic. Perfect appreciate anytime. Good thanks man. Thanks for listening to the fly racing. Steve kathan show. Don't get check out. Some of our past shows including motorcross legend. Such as the boy. My handle i in over to the side of the tenants were jerking and weird places and my biggest disappointed. Dan store because that he never said sorry. Danny and i were friends. And we've never talked sense for the five hundred events. Dave and i fly to germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take them back. And you know off we go and you know. We ran nickel steel cylinders battery park for a handful of years before anybody ever saw in production day in mcgill was all you know. He did the big pancake thing. And he's got the thing he's completely laying on the gas tank trying to miss history and he would have gotten even harder jumped farther. If that tree has been you know hadn't been there. I loved the guy i don't i think he's the greatest competitive sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these. Modern day guys in switzerland or belgium on forty five minutes on the same bike. You're not beating crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays than they were in essays. They're fool so different bikes different times. Beasts from the east damon bradshaw. It got to the point. I didn't want to leave home. And once i got to the race. I wasn't into it if i wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not gonna take your money working class hero. Definitely an emotional moment for me just thinking to myself you know. And it's amazing. The stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that i was going to miss daughter until you really open yours. And you wanna listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse. And i know from personal experience sidney down of course. Everybody did go circus mitch. Payton as to make the money one as you can sign for money or two. You can earn the money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. Seven time. Jeremy mcgrath mad like so disappointed. Frustrating said i pick and i left every point counts. I could kick myself to this day for not just riding around ten. Been no problem in my ego. Got in the way you know. It's show johnny stuff that you see. You didn't want wanna ride and just wanted to look at it all day. I mean i got a chance to test on that. I like that air. I was in. I really do search popa maxim tune store to enjoy these and over eight hundred. 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Renthal Reaction: Star Yamaha Moves

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Renthal Reaction: Star Yamaha Moves

"Network production. It's the rental reaction show for Breaking Motor News, hot topics and Moto by. The minute. Welcome everybody to another edition of the rental reaction podcast. Thanks for listening. Appreciate it. We are going to talk about the deals that just dropped from the star Yamaha team. A couple of things the Yamaha factory for the effort can move over to star for the next three years and as well. Jeremy. Martin and Christian Craig joined the Star to fifty team for twenty twenty one and beyond. So loss to get into when it comes to that kind of stuff and it's been long rumored but now it's official. Want the folks that rent whether to seven eighths bar whether it's the fat bar weather. It's a twin wall bar or whether it's fat thirty six they've got you covered in handlebar options tons of Ben's tons of styles, tons of colors of course when you look at Adam seen surreal. Oh, Toma Ken Roxanne Dodd. You look at Rick Johnson back in the day. 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What's up Steve It's nice to do another one of these and we've had a little bit of a hiatus, but there's been so much racing happening. I think you've been quite busy so. Well. But we have some we have to talk about sure. Yeah and people should get ready for a few more of these as more more things drop for. Sure. Totally unusual year this'll be a little bit more of a usual thing we hope. How's everything rental good. Everything's fine. You guys do. Yeah really. Yeah. Really good. Obviously, every business is feeling the effects of covid and we are to in unique ways especially being manufacturer, but but really power sports is on fire, which is awesome. So So it's all good. We're working on some cool new stuff. I've actually been writing more myself and putting some time on some new products and ideas that we have. So it's been good. So you're a state fair. You were testing something for rental it's and you're you're a very good writer so it's It's a nice to be able to do that. Right for the guy that rents all his wall to be like, Hey, let's get some hours on this thing with somebody who who will will use you know. So that's that's good. Yeah, yeah I mean. That's definitely a part of my role is is I want to try to help move that stuff along faster and I am a decent writer and So yeah, like hopefully my riding and you know me joining the rental team we can move that stuff along faster. If you've got a blue crew, things would be better for you. I just want to put that out there I know your team green you know blue crew bikes I mean you WanNa you WanNa try something else you got to get on that Blue Crew And they are great motorcycles but I do love my case were fifty. It is the bike that builds champion. A we built a four fifty supercross champion this year. TELMEX, Oh yeah. I'm quite confident that machinery is not only back and I am team. Green. Oh. I saw you at Paris to your they're mostly with your kid rhyme. You didn't do many laps. I. Don't think on the on the big bike. Yeah it's tough to go riding with him, but he's been asking to go riding more and more lately. So it's like, yeah when whenever whenever I take him I, don't get the rise much myself. How Fun was Paris to God I haven't been for I haven't been there for eighteen years. Pair Beano I? Thought it was awesome. Yeah. I. Think. It's Yeah I. Think it's cool. It's a nice layout. They have right now it was good that day that you were there we had overcast morning. So yeah, it's fine at school getting together So this is a long rumored. Going on here with with the factory let's let's take this. Separately. But let's take take the star to fifty moves. I. So I talked to Mitch Payton at Paula the weekend obviously with GEICO closing down those riders are free to go. The Lawrence's are going to stay with Honda everybody else is. Looking for a home and I was talking to Mitch Payton who hasn't Newsflash has not won a lot of titles in the last ten years. and He's told me, he would spend his own money to get Jay Mart. He really wanted Jeremy Martin those to seem like a match made in heaven to as far as a work ethic and everything that's going on. Now when Jeremy Martin left star after his two national championships, there were some hard feelings and it did not end well and so to me I was talking to our Buddy Charles Castle on Monday night I said look I think he might end up on. Green. Just Obviously with everything that happened the Star and you know midst being very determined in talking to me to make it happen. But man you WanNa talk about like and I guess I shouldn't be surprised pair of because you've been in this industry long enough to like. The hatred between J Mart and star, and the same people are there. There's nothing new was massive but the bike and J Mart chasing Yamahas all summer. I guess. A circumstances makes strange bedfellows because they are back and count me Paul as massively surprised Jerry Martin going back to star. Yeah I mean when you when you think about the past and how badly it ended it is it does make it more surprising right But yeah, our sports weird like that. You have not no Ole Choice except to. Make up for bad words or whatever happened to ask because are so small and you're you're inevitably going across fast with with people that you've been in arguments with or had bad you know. Blood, you're going GonNa Cross Bassam again. So like a lot of things on the run running our sport and I think there's a lot personal things back then as well Jay. Martin now he's two years older. A lot of this is is kids right and people maturing through all this. So it's cool to see that they kind of put all that aside him. And obviously, Jeremy is a very hot commodity that people wanted I. Know there is gas gas was interested in obviously like you just mentioned Mitch and I mean he is essentially he's the odds on favorite to win the outdoor title next year. So stars moved to go and get him I mean that's a that's a power movement and you gotta just think that it's It's part of what it's part of Jeremy's experience with them. I think I. Think he's a little. I would guess he's a little concerned about having a short time to transition to bike because I. think it took took him quite a long time to set the onto upside i. have a feeling that's in his head a little bit going back to Yamaha he probably feels he can. He can set up that bike pretty quickly and be ready for January because the rumors that we hear. About the supercross series is is you're not gonNA wait for coast I think it's going to be east coast one weekend and then west coast the next weekend. So but yeah Man Star Star. The GNARLY LINEUP I I I think there's about I think seven kids next year that are lining up in the two busy class that have won races and four of them are on star Yeah. It is going to be nutty for sure. Yet it'll be interesting to see him go back the bikes change since he was there, it's probably gotten better. So. There will be some setup stuff for Jamar to do. Do you think. So we all know it went badly when he laughter I mean there were talks of they thought that maybe the team at sabotage their bikes 'cause they were leaving. It was bad. Do. You think it's a case of. Money. or J Mart wanting the bike. Or Star wanting to win for sure What what do you? Who Do you think reached? Who Do you think wanted this more or who do you think drove this to happen? I was obviously both sides you know because they wanted it but in your end of things, do you think there was one one side that really drove this more? Well, I mean I have to think that the initial kind of opportunity came from stars end And then when Jeremy saw that there is opportunity I, think Jeremy Probably went there for not a ton of money. I mean he's really we think it's not a lot of money like not on what he was making. I guess it's I. I'm making a guest is probably like two hundred gram issue. Something like that which I don't think it's a ton of money. He's made more than two guy before but now he is I in my in my mind I gotta think that Millville Moto sticking out Jeremy's mind I mean Jeremy was on fire that Moto he could not get doing I think a lot of that was the end. So maybe now also there's an integrative four, fifty team like that was obviously something. I would imagine that that peaked Jeremy's interests when he was speaking to gas gases, they are kind of a Horford the effort now as well. PC doesn't have four fifty. So maybe there's something there to or like. Beyond the best engine am I can win and they have four fifties in the same race shop maybe I can transition into that too. So I I WANNA say that's also part of it. Yeah. Aaron passengers contract is up at the end of next year right there's no secret that he hasn't worked out as well as he and the team would like so yeah. There's definitely a path. And start we'll start also has an issue now we always there's there's kind of the running joke like star has so many writers they have Ted is if you include in view include their amateurs but the interesting thing is is and we had this conversation when I worked at pro circuit to you know we had a lot of writers for one. Time and when I was there we we tried to teams of riders in the conversation always is yeah. A best if everybody's healthy, right if everybody's healthy star does have an issue if they're gonNA have six to fifty guys for outdoor. So my guess is maybe they'll put Craig on a four fifty year because they have thrasher coming up outdoor. So Yeah. That'll be interesting to see what happens there down the road. But again, that's probably have not mono coming. You mean thrashers they're already Romano thrasher is going to be an amateur what? Yes, thrasher as an amateur. So I don't I don't expect thrasher to raise supercross I would expect him to come or the first national. Wow. Okay. All right. Because if you remember if there was a beat was be class that Loretta. So I, I would expect him to race a for anti year. Nationals Yeah. I definitely. Okay. Well Yeah that that's interesting I've already heard there's talk of Craig on a four the outdoors already heard that so. Yeah it's it's I mean looked but having said all this Paul j Maher is the heavy favorite for the outdoor title right? Would you agree like he's on Dylan's level going to this year? I one hundred percent, right? Yeah and he gets a gets a bump obviously used to get on that engine. Yeah Right. But I don't I don't think this puts them over the top indoors. I. Don't I think there's the jet jet and Cooper and RJ was better. Missing foreigner. I'm missing a lot of guys already, but I don't think this puts Jay March over the top indoors. Now I mean Jay Marts when he had more trouble I. Think locking down the supercross thing. I. I still think he is. Far and away in the title talk for supercross on on on that bike and I mean he was entitled talk on his read on the red bike. But yeah he don't get that big bump but man outdoors you gotta consider him a clear favourite like he's. In everyone else's to run out when it comes to outdoors. Yeah. Star is going aggressive Christian Craig as well going over there. Obviously. Craig we all know talented. He just finished second in the second four fifty motor Paula. I don't know if this is it for him. I don't know I mean as far as unlocking it I think with Christian. Much wait and see mode I would not put this move anywhere near like Oh. This is going to be for him. Are you with me on that? Now. Not Totally I. Think he's going to be really good I think I we know the bike obviously is makes a big difference. I think he's going to be a lot better on that bike I think. Just, the he'll be a lot better. I do I do I think it'll be a lot better. I think just the switch of. I want I want to say getting away from GEICO GEICO is more than just a a a job or a ride for him. Right? That's his family and owes it was probably a little different. Now it is. It is him and his wife and his family, and he's on a team and he has to produce if he wants to produce his family I, think it's a different situation for him. I think he's going to be I. Think he's going to be good. I think he's been training twenty for awhile. Now I think all summer and he had the best summer he's ever had. He was a big surprise for me. And how he closed out the outdoor season you is damn good all year. And he's never really done that outdoors. So I wanNA, give some accolades the swanee there for maybe helping some of that and so I mean I got us think that he's going to be pretty damn good next year, onstar. Yeah. For me for me he was pretty damn good on Geico but he made a lot of mistakes and so I think you'll be pretty damn good on this bike but I need to see eliminated these brain farts or anything else and also. I don't know if. If Christian and the star guys are a good match personality. Wise. We'll see we'll Han. Yes. But the other people, the owner and crew chief and those type of people. I, don't know if they line up with Christians personality. So I'm GonNa wait and see on that. You know that's that'll that'll be interesting and you bring up. We'll hi I. Think I think honestly he's he has a lot to do with. Some of the moves stars made and he's brought a lot of experience to that team and and I think he's also bridged the gap between a lot of those personalities that you talk about. Right. There's there's some people at star that don't get along with everybody and I think we'll is somebody that gets along with everybody also ridden for many many different teams. I. Mean Kawasaki Geico Charlie Designs You know star he's rent. He's he's written for a lot of different teams. He had his hands and he's read lots of different contracts So I think he's really You know pulling his weight and bring in some some some knowledge to that team. Yeah. I agree it's it's been a good addition for sure. So, we'll see what they have justin, Cooper of course they had jared. Jared fry I thought they had thrasher but apparently, maybe not. So. No but I mean as far as far as supercross as far as next year but yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't Donelson. Lost in this a little bit is. So time Astra pools out. And we saw this kid come in. Whole shot lead laps. Finished third I think he got in a Moto Are they giving up on him a little too soon do we have more there? I mean look a lot of things with master pool is shrouded in secrecy and mystery. We don't really know and we heard he didn't WanNa do supercross and but they told people they want to do supercross. Then he couldn't lineup for super costs for some reason, and so there's definitely some things that we don't know about the master pools. And their plan and everything else that goes on with them but did they throw tie overboard too soon? Do you think? I mean that's hard to say ties really young he's really light. He's shown great speed outdoorsy lead motos. Not a lot of people can do that. He was also on obviously great engineer did it and he got great starts when he did it I think a lot of times these teams ask themselves the question who would you rather race against and you would much rather race against masterful than race against Jamar And I think supercross is the big question Mark Right? Like there's always that's always been something. You know that they believed in their family you know they they. They just don't believe in supercross don't want their kids riding it and. I think now they've gotten to the point where you know or tie has at least raise like he knows he has to go right supercross but that's tough because now you're you're basically accepting the idea after after turning your back to it for so many years. So he probably love a really ridden supercross track and that's So I mean that's tough like an in even now like other teams at that may have a slot which I believe there are other teams that have a slot. That's that's something. That's GonNa hurt his negotiation position is is just is. How a supercross GonNa go what you put him on any team on anybody how it supercross gopher him like. Anybody knows no one's. Super Cost. So that's tough. Yeah, and I can't get an answer on whether he bowed out a supercross this year or whether he wanted to raise the the the guys Astara being very. About that like I'm like, Hey, does he want to supercross or not and I didn't I couldn't get an answer I couldn't get a clear answer. On whether he just said I, don't want to do it. You know. So I don't for hiding that from the media or what but I don't know but the kids got skills. So yeah. Yeah, he's been through. He's been through a lot of injuries to and all those injuries have come on a motocross track. So that's all I would imagine things that you take into consideration when you're a team manager trying to trying to you know. Put Your roster together so they'll have nichols to as well. Colt somebody that we forgot about dude guys race winner podium guy for sure all day Yeah I mean like to circle back to my comment earlier it's it's Nichols Christian, Craig Justin Cooper J Mart. Those are four race winners in their own star. The other race winners are Austin Faulkner, Jordan Smith and. March banks, I think those are the only guys have one supergrasses at a race next year and yeah star. Having Forum. That's. That's pretty intimidating. Yeah absolutely. All right. Yeah big shocking for sure Jamar going back to star racing and. You know he's definitely going to be an outdoor. Title Guy Heavily. Favored nother better news. So there are Jeremy Coker over there is going to move over and be the four fifty manager. They are gonNA, take the factory team. Over there to star dealing for Aaron Plaster Maybe Craig outdoors on the floor fifty. The team has had mixed success that bike hasn't always been everybody's favorite Salt Lake, city, they were God. Awful. Barsha rebounded with a couple of modal wins motor win this summer. He won Anaheim two years in a row he's podium crosses Aaron. Passenger hasn't gone. Anywhere near what he wanted to now horrendous jumping up I guess I Paul from a team standpoint does this improve? The team does Erin Dylan just be better under star on the four fifty in general. Well. See I. Have Mixed feelings on this I think because when you just think about like star for fifty team going arm sorry forfeit he's going to star I think yes it will improve because it's a different group of people. I. Think there. I think a lot of their improvements are going to be what take what happens throughout the day I think their experience, their confidence level that just that. They have the ball rolling and I think that's GonNa roll into things. But then the other part of me is I've been on a team where we tried to have two teams and we tried to have all these writers and when you have ten riders on your team I think it really makes it difficult to to continue your success. I think that's GonNa be a big hurdle for them to juggle. Don't know you had a Brockton, did a four fifty supercars program with when they're one year. We had we had tyler will, and then I think what I think what happened was is we had rattray and Wilson on four hundred s outdoors, and then we had five to fifty. So Yup, I, think it was like bag it since a real low and I don't even remember the other guys. But. Yeah, it was it was a lot right it just instead of everybody having always having a mechanic at the track and always having a spare engine it was it was it was a lot to keep up with. So you have to have a lot of staff you have to spend a lot of money to have a lot of parts. It's just a big big operation and it's and it's going to be difficult. To give each writer as much personal attention as as you would like to to get the most out of your writer. Right? So that's that's GonNa. Be a challenge for sure but I I don't think they're up to it. They knew it but I think that's definitely something that needs be considered. Yeah. Yeah it's it's odd because Yamaha Yamaha didn't have a forth the effort for for years there they backed out for five or six years before coming back in. So they're taking a step back. They'll be there for support. You know they have a direct line to Japan all that kind of stuff, but I'm interested to see what what if the bikes somehow become better I don't know why the factory Yamaha guys couldn't quite nail setups. Sergio went back there this year. Vantera Sergio Giovanna who's a engineer guy worked at Yamaha back in the day really smart thoughtful guys don't work with Chad Reed and other guys cowie. the nothing could seem to make a P and Justin Barsha hundred percent happy RV helped out. So I don't know what could possibly change I mean these are smart people working on a motorcycle that has two wheels in a motor so I don't know what to change it star but something had to change, and then I'll be interested to see if it works. Yeah that that that is a big question. That's a big thing. I, think they're going to want to They'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA want to succeed at right? So I guess we'll see I think the really good part is they're working with two writers that they've won multiple championships with. So they know Aaron and out they know Dylan in and out I think that's GonNa cut cut a lot of it out. Okay. I think the Dylan Aaron, know how to speak to the people and translate their words into actual bike changes and often times. That's that's what makes all that work is is the the the middle person that can take the writer's comments and translate into into what to change on the bike so I think I honestly I think it's positive and I would imagine for Yamaha. It's probably a good move financially too. So it makes sense why not you know Absolutely in the rumors are. They bought the farm and they will be moving everybody there in a year. That's I can't quite track down at that hundred percent. True. But I think it is, and so they are going to have move there all facility to the east coast. That's that's massive. Yeah so I mean they have. They have a lot in front of them they need to try to tell. I wouldn't honestly I wouldn't assume I wouldn't think that the move to Florida is GonNa Happen Immediately I think that'll take time. But but yeah, we know that the Yamaha corporate moves, most of the every most of all their staff and assets to Georgia and now you know star buying for farm and and moving to Tallahassee I think that's I. Honestly I think it's a good move. It's a smart business move in and honestly I hope more of the industry follows because. Yeah. Thanks it's getting tougher in in California to to ride motorcycles and do business everything. So I think it's a good move and you know stars continued to get their guys discrimination ride together and this would help kind of help that you know they can get. You. Know it's it's tough when you want to hire these writers at a certain price, the menu, the everyone's Kinda is by coastal now like. It's good. It's good to be in Florida, but you need to make a lot of money to have two houses. So if they moved their entire operation to Florida, there's really no reason you has to be in. California. You can build a supercross strike in California but. there's just more land in Florida, have outdoor checks to ride on and it's cheaper for people to live. So you can lower your cost of the entire racing by being there. Do you think monster had to help out with this at all monsters? The title sponsor for both Yamaha Teams in worldwide at that do you think monster and we don't know but just speculating, do you think monster had to step up and? Help with this and give star you know more money than it would give the factory team and pay for J Martin a little bit in these energy drink guys are there behind the scenes they're having a Lotta say going on do you foresee any of that? I mean. I would guess from monsters position it's pretty much the same. They were spending some money on star and they're spending money on the factory floor for the team. So now they're just taking all that money and putting it into one team. So I, don't think it would be a big like raise out of out of monster to do that I would imagine they just rolled the money over to the other. The other race? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I was wondering if they were like, Hey, man, you know we'll we want to do this and Get this guy and everything else so. Interesting Times for sure rental reaction rental dot com please check those guys out if you're in the market for some bars or grips or rockets chains or whatever I didn't know this pair of but I'm building this year five hundred, right And Spas are on back order and I didn't want to wait. So I purchased a sprocket rentals Brockett for the for the machine from our my guys at Motorsport Dot Com and I got a cool looking like gunmetal grey sprocket. teeny color. Yeah. Sweet like it. Yeah. I do I like it. I didn't know that this was a color option I thought I ordered just aluminum color silver, but apparently not so i. All. Right. So that's the move from star. We're GONNA do some more of these down the road but. Interesting. Times. For sure from the folks at star racing I'm hot everything else rent dot com reaction All right Paul anything else. I think that's it nice chatting yes. Stay tuned for more of these as more news drops we got. A couple more things that are going to happen here soon, right? We should. Yeah I think I think a lot of news I'll start coming out quickly because. We're already October so it should happen should happen soon rental dot com for more. Information from those guys. Thanks for this and everybody.

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The Legend of Creem - America's Only Rock & Roll Magazine

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The Legend of Creem - America's Only Rock & Roll Magazine

"Kobe. Aw. Ricco Mama. Boy howdy welcome talk is Jericho the pot of thunder and rock and roll it serious rock and roll. Today we're talking about the famous or maybe should I say infamous a rock and roll magazine Cream I've got Jj Kramer the current owner and son of cream founder Berry Kramer legendary journalist, Janu Helsinki, and director Scott Crawford the three of them produce the new documentary cream America's only rock and roll magazine. Jan was a journalist for the magazine from its early days she toured with led. Zeppelin? A great story with the interview she did with Jimmy Page. She's the only journalist ever perform with kiss and make up on stage in here about that John also talks with the crazy culture of the magazine. How so different from rolling stone, which launched a year before cream did and why all the rockstars of just show up and hang out at the cream offices she'll talk about working with the legendary journalist. Lester bangs he was played by. Philip Seymour Hoffman and almost famous remember that and JJ Scott and still the toy tell the story of boy howdy the cream mascot and slogan always loved that cream is the epitome of the sex drugs and rock and roll culture of the seventy s and inspired. So many musicians to pick up instruments to start bands, including Chad Smith and Kirk Hammett they're both in the in documentary. You'RE GONNA want to check the documentary list this featuring Ted. Nugent now cooper and so many great. Great legendary guys. It's out now could a cream movie dot Com to get your virtual tickets and go to my official Youtube Channel Tomorrow night at nine PM Eastern this Thursday at nine as they sit an SETV for episode four of the Winnipeg this one's called high school parties and that's exactly what you think it is dazed evac rival join me again on Youtube and facebook and you'll hear the story Of the one party that Dave through this house we found a letter that I wrote to Dave. After I moved from Winnipeg to Calgary and nineteen ninety, he check it out if you WanNa, see what I wrote here what I wrote and salted the shit out of them. Of course. Winnipeg tomorrow night Thursday at nine PM Eastern facebook, and Youtube. Of course you hear about my highschool party that my mom flipped out about when she got home. Yes and then come hang out with me live on the Saturday night. Special. On, facebook live and on Youtube Channel Nine PM Eastern on Saturday of course, answering your questions taking requests bring him back to sing along. We didn't do it last week. We didn't have time and we'll get your laugh onto more with the Winnipeg. Get your drink on with me live on Saturday night. But right now let's get to the story of America's only rock and roll magazine cream boy howdy Jj Kramer Janu Husky and Scott. Crawford Breezy live right now talk is Jericho I just want to jump right into this. Great Way to start off. Obviously, we're talking about. One of the greatest rock and roll magazines of all time cream. and. We've got scrape documentary that just came out. And Scott Thompson who made it and the Jay Z. Kramer who is the legacy and Janu Hausky is the amazing journalists legendary journalists. Let me ask you a quick question. You were talking about skype. Jan How much different is it now to when you first started at cream, you know fifty years ago in connecting with somebody for an interview. Well, it was in person you know I mean. They're all there. I mean, it's a little disconcerting because all my interviews lately I've been on anew minutes like really. It's hard to describe somebody or it's hard to really get the real reaction. You know it's a little to sanitize your not in there. You know we're the where brought journalists was a contact sport Lester bangs would take place with with his subjects and you know you can't really do that over over zoom sky. It's interesting and it's funny too because I have my camera on. If you turn your cameras on, we'd actually see each other's faces you want, which makes it so much easier because I've been doing this podcast for seven years and I've I shy away from phone interviews for exactly that reason because sometimes you need to see somebody's face to judge when going to be talking where they're thinking about sometimes they take. Pauses and as a journalist, you have to be able to see that and feel it because a lot of times. If not, you're just talking over each other, which like you said, really desensitizes the whole interview and makes it very sterile rather than his person was it could be yeah, it's so true I especially when you're writing because everything counts, it's like the objects in your room count the way somebody grimaces. At all is like forensic evidence to actually who you are elite clues when you don't even know you are leaving. That's a great point. Like you said when you go into somebody's house like for example, to want to talk about this in depth. When we get to? Jan. but when you go to like Gene Simmons House and he's in the documentary it is filled with nonstop kiss memorabilia and souvenirs and merchandise and all that sort of thing and when you go to Paul's House he has nothing other than pinball machine and that's about it. So it gives you a little bit more into the character of these guys when you're actually in their house and seeing what their environment is. Absolutely teens got his own museum. That's what we shot the interview actually was in the Kiss Museum is right off of his wife dining remind and Gives the better part you go downstairs level and he's got this treasure chest. All right. Like. Though it's like Okay Lido. Really, do this. Equal not do but you know the other the other like murder obsessive that we are. We all took home like. That was. That was that was one of my favorite parts of of that interview where the interviews done jeans like now you get grab bags like your great from a like a fifth grade. Birthday party. He's like little goodie bags and like what went down. It's like, okay. We have ten tickets. What prize can we get from the kiss behind the counter you get the Hello Kitty? Co branded pack of six pack of Kleenex. Some work. Ever US I've got in my to room. He said to me like sold. You have children I'm like, yeah. Yeah. How old they? Ten thirteen or something whatever they were the time or not even. And he goes this is for them and he gives me a pillow. Scott Kiss dressed up in New York Yankees outfits. And it's like thanks gene. Why would my ten year old kids? Tampa Florida care about kiss this is just for your kids. I love talking to two guys and girls like yourselves because because we're all such fans rock and roll and those experiences right there something that most fans would pay millions of dollars to have and we get to do this for a living. But let's talk about this documentary and kind of how it all came to be because it's really good and it's it's a fun time machine not just how important music magazines used to be back in the seventies and eighties, but just the whole culture and society that surrounded it. So how how how did you come up with the idea for the documentary Janet worked together for years You know we stayed in touch and I did my first film when that was over I said you jen, we this cream story like it's it's just ripe for a documentary treatment like this is such a between the characters between the importance of of the magazine and its legacy. So many different angles to come at. And and she agreed and she put me in touch with them Jj the son of bury the publisher and. I just kind of pitched it in we hit it off and. The ball started rolling pretty quickly after that. And the stock with this because your father jj was kind of the creator of the magazine. Yeah he he was in for a long time I wanted to look for the right opportunity to put my stamp. On the cream legacy and I approached a number of times over the years about doing a documentary or some cream related project for one reason or another I just didn't five with that directors vision and when Jan Connected Scott Ni- it like clicked immediately. He knew that this was a story not just about like a static thing not just a magazine. It was about the people behind the magazine. That's what really made it. Special was you had a cast of characters there that was very much like their own rock band that was putting out a magazine and that to me really resonated because it allowed us to do the a deeper kind of character study of all these people including by dad. So that was that was a really special moment when I realized what this thing could be. And then we're off and running pretty cool kind of. Legacy tribute to be able to make movie about your dad both the highs and lows now I mean. Forgive me if I'm wrong wrong about this. But in the movie didn't they say that your dad passed away with you in his arms it with actually. My Dad his father passed away while while clutching him in his arms. Gotcha. I can't even imagine what sort of trauma that that created. But so I think you know I in in throughout the film. Key kind of hints and my mom talks about this a little bit. You know he he kinda hints that he he was GonNa die at a young age as well. He was sir had this self fulfilling prophecy. Unfortunately. That's exactly how played out but yet he leaves behind this legacy of this rock and roll magazine and it's interesting because you know I I didn't realize the connection with Cameron Crowe I always thought when he made almost famous he was working with rolling stone, but it sounds like those experiences from working cream that put onto the screen with just these giant personalities that were. It's almost like rock photographers in the seventies and eighties they were as much of the rockstars as the musicians themselves and here. We are on twenty twenty when the the bands aren't really rockstars. They're certainly not rockstar journalists a rockstar photographers anymore like there was back in these days. I think that's true. I think that applies to the to the writers in cream as well like that was the other thing that I always loved about the magazine with the writers to me always in the photographers for that matter, the writers specifically seemed just as interesting as the artists they recovering in just as large larger than life just like the. Folks they recovering. So I was something new that I had not really experienced in terms of reading a magazine where you can relate to the person writing the story. As artist writing about Jan, how how was it for you Obviously, you started in the early seventies and year round all of these like I mentioned rockstar journalists and you were a teenager very young. See you grew up around around this world. Tell us a little bit about your initial thoughts on you're getting involved with cream and all the crazy personalities that were involved I worked at grandy ballroom. It was like the fillmore Detroit so I already met around the rockstarts. Because I was giving them poke colored. Like the. John's dressing room. You know one of those don't talk to them. Kind of direct so I was really used to the way they were and what happened was a white next to the bar the any ballroom there was a kiosk that Barry. Kramer. For mixed me a head shop owned and they were selling cream magazines and I thought Oh my God. If I give free, Cokes del give me a job. Forward they did not because the Coca Cola's but I just went all guns blaring I thought that I could do it to the the bar would sell hot and everybody helped. When I started writing, it was kind of like a group effort like my first story, which is in the documentary is Dave Marsh took me to smokey Robinson's retired press conference. Roy Me I had to write about it. So it's like I got thrown deepened. Let me my first story was covered story. Wow. It was really like high concept of it was like not by committee but. Like you had your whole to cheering community like everybody would help you and we did that throughout like we were first among equals in. Do we think we're a band? I think we thought we were exactly same as the Rockstar is not with ego but just we all trying to do the same thing. Then it was just to explain music or there was some code in the music that you know. Like impedance scored giving us like information. Any. Different the photographer or theam. or the Russia`must the have to say? Some of the the photographers are still bigger than Ross Alpha. And Brock Vic they still looks like aging rock says, but they still. Go in and the president of Rockstar. They come from a different time. They'll like I said there's no hot young upstart new Ross Halfa or Neal's lows our or you know Mark Weiss Guy Weiss even at nicknames and it's the same with the writers to like when you talk about Lester Bangs who is in almost famous by play by Philip Seymour Hoffman. You know I didn't really know much about Lester bangs. Rodney big in Heimer in these type of larger than life guys so to see. On film, and see him in this movie was really interesting to me after hearing about in for so much. I couldn't believe how much footage you guys ad from that timeframe it seemed like. The cream editors were filming everything that office it must have been a treasure trove for you. Scott, to find that it was we've really lucked out know initially jj when we first started working on this semi, the footage job movie starts off with a black and white. Sort of roundtable footage where you've been, you get an insight into the home offices. Looked that was actually PBS affiliate in Detroit that shot that ends like a twenty five minute. Piece and I knew when we had win Jesse sent me that early on I said, okay we've got adopt because. You know trying to tell the story of magazine which is. Just. A product essentially you have to be able to. Tell. Visually explain you know what those offices look, what those people, what just smells, whatever of the offices and all that sort of gives you all of that and more. So so in addition to that, JJ, also a when he was looking through his mother's basement in JJ, pick it up from here but. Found, some a real treasure trove of mother's basement that he'd never seen before. So. Their stuff in there are eight or footage of lesser knowns ever seen slow because of a just a video that Gypsies down. basement. was. It was really Kinda like serendipitous. The way that we discovered some of this footage. So we had you know the stuff that that Scott was talking about there was a local station at a come down to creams, offices and captured a bunch of footage and like a round table discussion, and that stuff was like golden like right out of the gate. Once statement Scott's point once we saw that we knew we really had a movie because we could add this visual imagery to you know and otherwise static you know thing right but then when I went and started looking through these unmarked. Boxes in my mom's basement I came across these old videotapes. They weren't even like VHS or Beta tapes don't even know what the format is that they were massive and I'm like there's gotta be something on these. I took a huge box to them down to like a local video place to have all digitized and Lo and behold It was some of the footage you see like Lester with Robert Duncan one of the other editors in the cream offices just like messing around with bags over their heads and snapping their fingers never before seen lester footage and then on a personal note. I found footage, which is also in the film of of me and my my dad like my dad said are holding the as as a baby and talking to me and that just like blew my mind I. Had it not been for for the film. I never would have gone looking gone fishing for that stuff. So it was it was really incredible. Talk. About Lester. BANGS US professional as a character. She knew them right off the bat from being cream. Bigger than life when he came and he looked like a shoe salesman I'm he was dressed in a three percents. Substitute. Ger Or somebody like you know Mr Bangs I. Think he thought her the work for us. He had to dress the part whenever that he thought that was and then slowly but surely he he. Relaxed but he said bigger than life personality he just took up more room than most people I mean he didn't have the cleanest. Personal Habits. So when you talk about the smell Scott of a you know I I mean I always used to smell like eight round his desk and he would eat Taco Bell Rita's and he would leave the PAP eaten on his desk and you find three days later so. Challenge. To sit next to him for six years. What kind of relationship did he have with with musicians? Say. The two US box does not our friends but is Karen coins out. He really did have an attachment to a lot of the people he he interviewed especially Lou Reed it was such a love hate on both sides I. think that they both expanded each other's myth that how often does a rock raider get to enhance a- musicians reputation but I think that those interviews glue bond passed both of their legacies because they're both Ron. Talked about that all the time. He really would. I would say push them around. He actually would make it a little awkward or he would be very confrontational yet he was always saying with a laugh means always a budweiser opened on his lap and he was you know when he was insulting them and they did never see it coming. But you he got the greatest stuff. One time we went to this press party with slade and he initiated food fight, and of course they retaliated. So we really trash trader fixed. We were doing research the documentary I was Reno reviews, and actually the slaves record argue is him recounting that food fight? So anything was game like anything that happened just ended up in one of Leicester's reviews, and that's the thing to cream was not politically correct what we're talking about in this day and age there was a lot of kind of read back some of those headlines and pictures and it's like, wow, things sure were different back then. But when you guys gave a bad reviews, sometimes the musicians. Would just show up at the building looking for for for revenge. On jet you mean. That's yeah. That's a great story. tells that one bands would always come by mood. They come into Metro airport the next step up in make with the are cream office like the dictator's came in kiss came and and Billy Squire countless people all the time. But she came with intention I mean they helped me May Masuno works for Alice Cooper drive them directly to the office is they wanted to confront Rick Johnson who reviews the runaways which to suck and she wasn't cabinet and. She's never ever really gotten over that I thirty years and she always brings it up so. We found the letter and we just went with it, but she's she's still binks to this day. Rick Johnson was hiding that he really wasn't living her Bana Illinois. I mean, and that's the interesting thing about it like the Eh such a connection with Detroit. And the Detroit was such a hot seen at that point in time it's really interesting to see just how much. Alice Cooper was there and Ted nugent was around and the five and Iggy pop did you guys have a better relationship with those guys because? You were based in Detroit. There is this camaraderie about detroiters I mean of a friend who says there's no such thing as an ex detroiter but detroiters have this like I don't know this understanding of each other. It was a huge scene. It was like the SEM survey charmingly called the Straits in the heads. So there really weren't many bands and bands that we knew we knew and they would come over because cream was like a gathering point like windows down Cass Avenue will come for these massive hardee's. Simpatico I mean we still I mean to this day. I'm still friends with most of those people I mean Wayne Kramer's in the movie you know and Wayne Kramer did the music and Strengthened the fifth year relationship I mean it pop that's that's a different subject. But you know I. I do think that there's just something about this whole Detroit static from if I'm not mistaken like at the time Jan did the FCC wasn't like the MC five house right down the street from the cream officer there were there were people probably hanging out all the time Oh yeah. They were I mean even people now coming out of the woodwork going don't you remember the time you're at the? Office I go no but you know it was like you know I remember after faces show like Rod Stewart came by and Peter will he says in the film he was there too. It was just like a gathering point like Paul would bring the winter brothers who are just Really, Interesting Times I. Mean People always say did you know you're history and now you don't really know just know that you're doing something really incredibly. Scott when you're looking at putting together a documentary who are some of the interviews that you knew you had to get on tape or luckily you know You know we kind of made a wishlist. We got just about everyone. We wanted unfortunately some of the staff members of had already passed away either before we started filming or during the production process. So there are a number of folks that I would have liked to have added the film had their voices, but unfortunately Just didn't work out that way But yeah, I mean to get you know Kirk Hammett Gene Simmons while Stanley. unit Dallas, Ted Wayne Kramer and then to get Wayne to actually score the film was Just not anything I hit ever imagined. So I, think we we were fortunate in that respect. We got just about everyone that I think we tried to get on but that is why the movie took almost four years to Crisscrossing the country and you know you're dealing with artists schedules in their tours and MRS obviously pre coated whenever was on the road. So but yeah, I think we're pretty pretty fortunate. You know it's interesting to me because I'm a little bit younger than than I thought Chad Smith was great and it too and Chad's a good friend of mine. I was texting him about how he showed up at the offices and Alice Cooper walked. Out when he rode there on his bike as a teenager and I, mean stories like that like I have a million of them. I'm sure all of us do from when we were kids and it just really like it really reminded me just how important magazines were back in those days and it's kind of like that. Now in Europe they still have influenced but here in the states, obviously it's just all internet and online but. There was a huge fan base for for for rock and roll magazine especially for cream and Circus magazine in those types of those type of things. So when you went to did you know Chas Smith was a big fan did you have an open casting call or how did that work actually Chad reached out to us. When he heard that we were. Making the film and you know his his people got in touch with US instead chats really exciting wants to be a part of it. So now that's cool. We you know we went up to his place in the Hamptons I believe. Shot him there Yeah, it was great. It was really easy. He I love that story that he tells I mean, that's just a kind of sums up I. Think a lot of our experiences on data aid just briefly run through the story again. So basically he you know he's Fanatical cream reader ends I think twelve or thirteen I could be wrong. One day just realized he was looking at the masthead you know about. The the staff box the writers are any looked at the bottom, and he sees that it's the address repping him, which is only a few miles from his house. and. He kinda got this argument with his brother. His brother was like Nah. That's just like where they do the fulfillment or Sunday. That's not actually the you know the Real Offices I think jab was Kinda like oh? Yeah. I'm GonNa, show you. So he got on fighting. Dan. Parks his bike outcomes Alice Cooper. From the cream off. Not just his bike, his his swifty. Right. Right very important part of the. Outcomes, Alice Cooper and I don't think he said a word Alice I think. But if you see on, you see on his expression on the screen in the film kind of says it all, and once again back in those days, you didn't just have your cell phone, but it took a picture like it was almost like seeing a bigfoot or the Loch ness monster. Nobody really believed you if they would do that. You know. Jay I want to talk to you about something I always loved about cream, which is the boy. Howdy. Logo and you're wearing the shirt right now. Talk a little bit of what exactly that is and where it came from because that's the one thing whenever someone said even when my. Producer, said you want to do you want to do a show about cream? Maggie's innocent boy howdy. Yes. Like everybody knows boy howdy is related to cream. Tell us a little bit about the story behind that. Yes. So as the as the legend goes. R crumb wandered into my dad's record store and head shop Detroit's CASS corridor This was you know right after cream had launched so we're talking six probably late sixty nine and one of the other clerks there who's actually creams founding editor Tony Ray recognized crum and approached him about maybe doing something for the magazine and Apparently, my dad tried to low bomb giving them like thirty five bucks to draw cover in Tony I could convince them to up the offer to fifty and he drew you know the first iteration of. Of Boy Howdy and as I understand it, my dad didn't even get when it first ran, but it immediately just started to resonate with with the readership and so over the next years or months or years it, it became incorporated into every issue in the became the mascot and you know it was intended to be a bottle of cream. That's that's my understanding of what our chrome was trying to draw boy howdy supposed to be about all cream in the boy howdy part I think it was just like something weird to throw in. Sort of a southern way of saying you know that's cooler. Hello but yeah, I mean it's become its own animal i. it's like when you see it, it's I kind of liken it to like even if someone isn't a fan of the ramones if they see a Ramon shirt never ramones logo to kind of know what it, what it stands for. With boy howdy I get approached all the time when I'm wearing a boy howdy shirt and people like that is just that is so cool. Tell me about it. What is it? So it's got this kind of ethos to it. It's the stones, lips and tongue. That's right. You don't even. Yeah. You soon as you see what it is or CBGB's Q. Shirt or something, it's. By my stuffed outy. Funny New whom that fits your family's needs can be tricky. He want room to spread out space to gather in a place to get away from it all. 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So when you need a mortgage lender that fits your life rocket can get started online at rocket mortgage dot com slash Jericho call for cost information and conditions equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states and mls consumer access dot Org number three. Zero Three Zero Remember Rocket Ken. So Jen one of the reasons why I was really excited to hear that you're going to be doing this some huge kiss fan and I know that story the famous story that you have. Remember hearing it years and years and years and years ago. But I would love to hear just the whole tail how you ended up onstage with kiss the only journalist ever to do so and maybe even the only musician I don't know any of the musician that ever appeared with kiss at least at that time frame onstage with the band will they were really trying hard to break in they hadn't yet. Recorded alive which thing that really broke them. Jake's Mom Connie Kramer and I were working really late one night and she was going through an esquire magazine in there is a writer named Blair soul who had done a story about being an I kept or a night. And she shows me the story she goes. Could you do something like this? I said Oh absolutely. I could do that. She goes with WHO I said with canvas. So the next day I call the label I said I've got this great idea to do a story on kiss my thought. Yeah. You can store and kiss I said no no, not on kiss I WANNA be a member of kiss and they said really Okay. Well, let's think about we'll call you back about twenty minutes. Later I get a call from the vice president of promotion goes okay. You're on but you have to give us one promise I said what's that and he said not to call kiss a Glam band I said, well, why would i? So a week later, they roll into town where they're actually recording alive. I'm meet up with them at soundcheck in the four guys are standing in a corner and I go up to when I'm real bottle in my high heels say. Tomorrow Tomorrow I'm doing this with you. They look at me like I'm saying like I'm kind of strange fan deranged. After his explain that being the next morning, we're on this little Bob planes, Johnstone, Pennsylvania exude up I mean, they take me backstage in for about an hour and a half. It really took a long time with the makeup on they berate me 'cause I don't know how to put on face makeup. So. To me, I think the most revealing thing which is really funny to me. When you talk about no cell phones I just thought about this the other day even though it's been such a long time ago I had never heard anybody who was in that that show of five thousand or reviewers nobody noticed I was stage with kids. So it's just it's bizarre like I could have staged I didn't even have to go to write the store right? It was wild I think that it really changed the way I looked it music reporting since that moment 'cause I understood the lure what it feels like to have a crowd just emit all this crazy kinetic energy at you like it's addictive and I could see why hair metal bands don't want to give it up like why would you get so much but it was it was amazing I'm really surprised I pulled up what kind of make up to the have you put on? They agreed that they should all make part my face up. So what happened backstage? Arguing because they thought gene was making me look like him. So what sued was this this like back and forth, and so then they just asked me around in ended up it's like a composite of like dressed to kill like how how they have that composite ball them. So see the pictures it's a little messy, but I'm a little bit more I. Think. I'm. Peter Than anybody else though. What did you do on stage? They gave me a guitar. They did not plug it in and they gave me my own life hype and I saying and I tonight acted like member of kiss in like black tights and lack leotard. Remember what Song it was. Yeah. Rock and roll night every day. I don't remember what are we? And then the I love the title for the for the article. Two. I dreamed I was on stage with kissing my maiden form Bra there used to be a AD camping. When I was a teenager women would wake up in really strange places like it in a fire station or in a posh restaurant or in front of the UN, and they would be wearing like. A skirt or pants may be only wearing their bra. So I thought that was probably a really good way to like. Weird against and being on stage with this in your main form raw. Another great point that you just made I was talking to a not a name drop it was talking to Lars Alrich the other day it metallica's been doing this metallica Monday where they put up a show from their past on Monday night and it was one, thousand, nine, hundred nine when they actually all switched instruments onstage Lars Sang James played drums Kurkin Jason switched, and I was just talking about that and he said you have to understand back then there was no. Cell phones was no social media. It was just the people in the crowd would see it then enjoy the moment. Of course, it sucks Lars orcas the lead singer's terrible. But if you were there that night, it's something that you would think is amazing just like you said, you being on stage with kiss there was no one to take pictures. If you weren't there, you never would've known absolutely a second urban myth like I could have made. It really struck me is. Just I duNNo. After all those years it was like lightbulb went off like really I could made it up the tree falls divorce and no one's there to hear it. That was a moment fifty years later Scott when you were filming this documentary with any stories that stood out to you being like some of your favorites from this amazing cast of characters that you assembled for for the dock we really lucked out everyone was really wonderful to work with very. Giving with their time in very affordable along. The one story that kind of sticks out because I'm still in therapy for Mitch Ryder we were interviewing him and his battery pack wearing a alive Mike and his battery pack with we're getting some audio issues. So I had to adjust audio pack, which was you know on his waistline and then just continue to talk and I just kind of took a whiff and he goes yeah, I farted onboard. So. And we just carried on but yes, still recovering now but lots of great stories. That's the one that sticks out of my mind of course but. Plenty more I mean Gene Simmons House, in itself is a documentary right there. I'll forget anytime soon that's for sure. One of my favorites that that I think it's just so fun in the film is. When iggy pop shows up at the cream offices in doesn't say hi to my dad he he's looking for Lester bangs. My Dad's sneaks up behind him and dumps. You know a trash can on top of his head because that to me is like the epitome of what cream was. It's like you know up very much bite the hand that feeds you're on your in our house. Now don't forget your manners saying so. I thought that was such a picture perfect way in in a thirty seconds span to really explain to someone who might not know cream was really all out there were there were no idols. In, that office it's interesting too because when your dad passed away in your four years old, they think that's right. He left the magazine to you. He did. So you're the owner of cream at four years old. That was pretty cool to talk about it show and tell. That's a really cool Malibu Barbie Dream House. You just brought in but let's just talk about my dad's rock and roll magazine that he left me own. Yeah, it was. You know obviously I was I. was still young when when he passed away and it was I don't think I had a true appreciation for you know what that meant until I was much older but as a kid I definitely ward as a badge of honor our at sleep away Camp I was definitely known as like the the cream kid my mom would send up care packages that had cream t shirts in issues of the magazine, and that may be a very popular camper. I it wasn't until well into adulthood that I started to really appreciate what what that meant and hospital show. It was Jim. Let's talk about some of your other favorite assignments at cream besides being on stage with kiss and speaking of being on stage it was great to be back. 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Wide Change your life like Yes for thousands and thousands of people including me get on the path to healthy living. Stay they're getting the best mental and physical shape of your life and start today diogo dot com slash Jericho go check it out now. Who are some of your other favorite assignments? Obviously, Asia, kiss highlight was there other ones that you have stand up for you? My idea I think my. Favorite is probably the most awkward when I was on tour with led Zeppelin and Jimmy's paid wouldn't talk to me directly. I probably made the greatest, Faux. PAS because on that tour, the the tour doctor had been announced that someone stole the quail lose which used to be like party drug kind of pre ecstasy I made the mistake of. Paint if he stole. The quail eggs but I think the replete. What? What Captain Office when I walked in there, he said to me that he wouldn't be directly. So he hid his publicist to come in. So I had to ask every question to the publicist spoke English she had. Asked him he would answer her and she would answer me and that went on for an hour and it was awkward and I was like Oh young and so really not that experienced kip what am I doing? Via I know what I'm GonNa do I'm GonNa, make this really funny because it was really funny. The greatest part about this as years later, Hugh magazine reprinted that story when I updated a little bit and out of the blue friend of mine who worked with to me page called me up in. There's somebody here who wants to talk to you and he put Jimmy page on a bone and Page said Jan I've always wanted to tell you is still wailers. That's by memorable story 'cause I love what's up on beyond all others. I. Just love the fact that you said when I was on tour with led Zeppelin so what were you doing on tour with led Zeppelin? Waiting cover story, I'd been on tour thumb a couple of times but the second time was the almost famous kind of moment where he refused to talk to me from five days, I'd already done all my other interviews and where it plant was like charming and effervescent in various water plantation to hide for me. You know they schedule Nimby the on he doesn't feel like it. He's been up for three days in this was the fifth day I had to go back to Detroit to write the story and they finally. relented. So in the afternoon said Okay I'll talk to which she really you talk to the Public Bryce it was amazing. I mean, you WanNa starship every night we we hold up in like with over city we were there and then we'd fly out to different shows. I mean time before Um we were in the Plaza Hotel and moot fly the Plus Patel area we're going to his party at Dobbs ferry there's Mick Jagger's fog hat and it was like, okay that was star power beat not fog so which but. I. was like so often than he was I think that for me. Did you ever have any experiences with with with McCartney or Lennon. In. The seventies writing with cream or George or anybody for the Beatles. Never met will action. Bingo recently I never met beetle so they they weren't doing a lot of stories and press at that point in time. When I got there, I was like the girl low on the Totem Pole. So I basically took stories that nobody else wanted, which is how I made my career like Lester Interview McCartney or Dave Marr Gotcha and I've got kissed and I got led Zeppelin. I got like, oh? So I got all yours because nobody will want. which are pretty much how I made. My career is taking you know taking the electoral making them into something bigger than life for making it. Really funny. How long did you work for cream before jam? When did you finally leave I left Nineteen, seventy, six I continued on the West editor Anthony I I did a confessions look they'll foxconn couple years after that, and then it went back in the eighty to do another call. So I don't know about ten years. It's interesting. Scott you could've made a documentary about kind of like. The later years of cream because I got into music in the mid eighties and Circus magazine and faces magazine and those ones and cream was almost like you knew that it existed earlier and it was almost kind of like the not a relic but it's like the old guys trying to hang on we're Sunday go from these really cool articles to having generic rat on the. Jurat Motley crue poison on the coverage to try and keep up. Yeah. That was actually pretty funny antidotes about about that period with some of the writers. I remember one example was I think it was rat in maybe Motley crue on the cover all the tag lines You're right. They were older writers to that point in we're not interested at all in in. Hair metal. So all the tagline of stories feature were actually Robyn. Hitchcock's on titles. Air Supply yet care that much about the music and I think that started to show Motley crue. So. But yeah, I think. I really wanted to focus on that on the hate it seven. And not so much on the later period not to be dismissive of that because certainly tons of great writing for years and years throughout the eighties you know I mean they they took. I mean they were you know the in between the hair metal bands they'd also cover rem. The SMITHSON and things that were happening in England so they still tuned in but I think the pressure having switched to another publisher think the pressure was really on what's going to sell a new standard that's why you saw that switch editorialise out of the hair metal stuff. and. I. Think What we learned in making the dock is well as there are probably ten cream movies or documentaries or TV shows that could be made sure. You know there's as you see in the film I, think there's a really powerful story about like the women at cream and how important they were Jan and Susan Whitehall and still be Simmons your mom my mom you know photographers like Lynn Goldsmith is well, that were huge part of making cream. What it was, and then there's a whole story I think about when cream was living on a farm in rural. Michigan which was essentially a commune mom at that time, they were actually under surveillance by the FBI because many of creams writers associated with Johnson in the White Panther Party and the F. B. I. had approached a number of folks in on the cream team and essentially asked them to become inform. It's for the FBI and as the Legend Goes, my dad politely told. The FBI to go f themselves when asked to to become an informant, but there's a whole other story there. You know there's a whole movie I think about Lester in lieu you know as John mentioned earlier. So that was the really cool part for me about getting into the trenches and into the archives here is like there are so many stories that can still be told you know from from the cream treasure trove did you live on the Commun- Jan I did to them Tell us what that was like. Well, I learned how to Cook because I knew nothing I was just see. No I think I just turned nineteen and there I was out in farm with horses. Would I know for horses? It's like you know we would put together. We didn't have a lot of money I mean everything went back into the magazine. So article how we lived with very paid are ruined board in all of our food and we were out in World Michigan. There was nobody there I mean we just had each other which was a little classic Bobick in A. Little bombastic because their ports talk about especially the Dave Marsh in the left her fight over over the Schoen Typewriter, I? Mean it was like the time it was like that creative spark that comes out of friction. You know the Keith Richards Mick Jagger kind of right thing I mean that was happening all the time. Tell us about the dog should story Scott this another great one. That was yeah Janet told me that years Alright Janet told me I'd read about it, and so I was dying to tell that story. And we actually got Dave to to tell the story Dave was was a was a editor your. Editor but Lester was the head writer kind of Jan what was esther like the senior editor at that point or at that point we were really egalitarian electric. Type. But Day was the editor in chief in Leicester was a senior I was a senior editor in advance with senior editor features editor. So we're all pretty much too. I think what the story is that there was such two different mentality day marsh sperry serious than he was a member of the White Panther Party. Leonard be political and Lester wanted just to make fun of everybody just. In case of less to who is unruly like kind of unclean clownish sky had a dog that was similar to his personality in day March very uptight wire dog. So, what happened was less just dog as his want would like defecate all over the office one day David just had it I. Remember watching him do this like it was yesterday. With the paper towel right on. Like, and we wait. And less comes in these it and goes ballistic they tumble outside outside of the office. Finding Dave fide seven less to is six one. It was never going to be a fair fight with. A little scary. Yes. That's rock and roll for sure right there when you talk about the influence of some radio stations back in the seventies, for example, the the Cleveland Dj Kinda got rush off the ground did cream do that for for any bands like by supporting a certain band making them getting them to be major league I think I think you could argue they did that for kiss what are you going Jim? I. Think we totally didn't kiss. I had to lobby hard to get them in initially. But after that, it was like they were so accessible was. So it's like this mutuality like I always think that our fortunes were really inextricably tied. Because if they got bigger never forgot US platinum records, you know they were there all the time whenever we needed something they would do they did his comments with us. At rush though. poison-pen recipients. And and you could also say that about eighty two, the stooges and all that proto punk stuff I mean no one else is really covering. Smith to his. Yeah I mean in general I mean it really helped put on the map you know this is debated in the movie whether Punk the term punk rock came from free magazine Yeah that that was something really wanted to touch on because that's just one of those arguments that me in all of my dorky friends have gotten into for thirty years so I wanted to get to the truth of that and. People will debate whether the word heavy metal I. Think it was Metal Mike Saunders used the word heavy metal in like maybe seventy one. And that's where it came from some people think it came from Steppenwolf Song. You know. So anyway, it's just one of those Dorky arguments that you know people get into and I just loved. earing Dave's explanation. Putting legs Neil right after Dave where he just said that's Because legs of sorts wants to take you know I think probably wants to take credit for recording that term as well. So it was a fun fun segment to work. He said he's such an asshole. So as we start to wind down here, jj I, mean. It's obviously you were will this magazine four? Do you own the rights to cream now? Did you ever not own the rights at a certain point I do on the right now but there was a long period of time where I did not after my dad passed away my mom's stepped in his publisher essentially try to keep the magazine afloat until I was engaged to take the reins but the world change you know it was sort of right at the inception of the MTV generation where people were spending their ad dollars things like that's a long story short, the magazine was sold in. I WANNA say eighty six or eighty seven to an investor who took it from Detroit to L. A., and that's when it sort of kind of shifted gears and went into a lot more of the the hair metal stuff and you know after that long story short again, the magazine changed hands a number of times and the Ip was kind of broken off into a bunch of little pieces of an I've spent the better part of my adult life putting those rights back together. The good news is that when I'm not busy producing films about Cree magazine, I'm a practicing intellectual property. Attorney. That helps my worlds collided when I started reassembling the cream puzzle it literally took me. About fifteen years to do it because some of the pieces were owned by other people in that required. Negotiations deals and bringing them into the fold. There was litigation involved. There was all sorts of crazy stuff that happened and it took until two thousand sixteen to finally get everything back together and that's when Scott and I kicked off the film so very. Share independece it is. That the timing lined up that way and and for me, it was like the first way to put my stamp on the cream legacy and and hopefully use it as a springboard for more cream stories to come. Would you like to do in the future with with the cream property? We've got some things in the hopper. The next thing that will follow the documentary is we are. Working on a rent issue, a commemorative print issue limited edition that will drop in November sort of a best of cream addition, hundred, hundred plus pages, and we're really excited about that John's working on that with me as well, and then we're in development on Crete TV show there's been a lot of interest in the characters and and possibly adapting the documentary into a scripted show. Maybe even a feature film. But as I said earlier, there's so many cream stories that that we want to tell. So I really think that that's where a lot of our energy and focus go as to creating more cream content down the road. So that's what's in the Queue Chan. You've been a lifer in rock and roll doing this for fifty odd years or whatever what are some of the differences you notice about today's rock and roll and rock and Roll Stars or lack of rock and roll stars in comparison to the huge larger than life personalities of the seventies and eighties and sixties, etc. I don't really think there's that much difference I think whatever drives you to be Istar. To, get on stage is always the same I. Think the difference is how you are able to report it I mean I don't know in your world, but it's like you get twenty minutes with someone you never get a sense of them. You never get to those little moments in turn them into revelations about who this person is an and to me that's the biggest thing, right? I. Really Find that they're the reason that people make music and get up on stage exactly the same same as they used to be as they always were yeah I mean one thing that that I've really started to think about you know sort of a now verses then is there used to be this like. Ecosystem between the bands, the writers in the fans and everybody held each other accountable and everybody was kind of on the level playing fields. You don't really see that anymore like the industry shifted and it's so driven by Click Bait and limited access limited attention spans that you don't really see that anymore. So that to me is like that community that's that was created around that that ecosystem where you would you would have fans write letters to the. Editor Editors Right back editor slammed the bands the band show up at the offices. You know that sort of thing is what really made not only the magazine special but the music special at that time I think you know because of the way that the industry is today I. think that the music has suffered as a result of that so that to me is just maybe one more reason why the world needs cream now more than ever right? So. Yes There is a real community aspect to all that like he's like Jj said the ecosystem, it's really a community, but it's a between the raiders, the writers, the bands, and that that you felt like you were in a club, you know that's kind of missing. You just don't get that as much with A. You know some of these online as great as it is to be able to you know have discourse about this banner that in do it immediately know the immediacy of it all is is is is great but on the other hand I think you you lose that sense of of being elected this exclusive club With cream the camaraderie of it you know what I mean when you can, when you can all right your articles from home and put up online. We're disappears the next day. You know those days of all being in a room who's going to do what assignment whereas the pictures and let's assemble this. I. Mean that might never happen again. I, mean, you know just picture how unruly the the newsroom must have been young people fighting over particular record or you've got this new riffing off of what this guy says in A. All of that is is now missing and is just now it's just up done from home and it's just taking on a new or just. Outlined with a big, Emoji? Fight right-wing. and. That's the extent of it in the the same. So yeah. What was the biggest difference between rolling stone and cream back in the heyday I always even today I'm rolling stone heads great reverence. Sprint. rockstars and actually would really WANNA show a human face and I I worked there in their newsroom You couldn't actually write about fans were yon some winners favorites. You couldn't trash Jim Day regatta Scott fired right in a negative in the blowfish review in Leicester got banned early on to so why US anything goes the more bizarre. The better you know back in the day and I think that we really did embrace people thinking out of the box and in really just going so far out describes something not using normal. This record is like the last record builds on the other one we. Would use other means to discuss it in which or imagine I think that they some. People on pedestals and cream dragged them off pedestals but a great line. Last question for you guys is there is there a story cream story a cream experience a cre- moment that we haven't talked about yet that's your favorite from the documentary and there's so much stuff. We didn't even discuss some that stands out for you. You WanNa Start Scott or jj I think we covered some. I mean the the one thing that I always come back to the what JJ already mentioned, which is early on was the billion with the white answers in Detroit I found that fascinating what the White Panthers know the black. Panthers. But were the white panthers they were like the the the brothers of like the Black Panther except the they were friends, friends of the Black Panthers. And Jan might do a better job of explaining it but I've always been fascinated by that and. Read. A lot about it and at time period and you know unfortunately, we weren't able to kind of get that into the story as much as we would have liked but. Again, you can make a whole film about just about that. What's it's hard to do a documentary ninety minutes from that's twenty five years long or whatever it was. You know it's tough. You have to make tough decisions about you know what's going to work and what doesn't get too attached to any particular part of story but that is one part that I Still think about. When I Jj. Favorite part was it really was all of it. I went into this thing with a sort of a buy the ticket take the ride sort of approach in in learning about all things cream in my father included in you know some really high points in some really low points than in learning about the good the bad the ugly the crazy and it was such an eye opening thing and and it's what Scott Janet I talked about at the very beginning what we wanted this experience to be and for me personally. I. Always I joke about this sometimes, it probably should have been in therapy young age to deal with my father's death and I never was in this was like therapy by fire hose. It's with forty different therapists that we interviewed each that I took away a little piece of the history and and learn more about my dad and learn more about myself. So it really was the. For me it was every every last part of it. The shitty interviews, great interviews, I took something away from all of it. How would you John any experiences that you want to share with us that we haven't talked about when you were talking about the Iggy and the offices in very put the trash can over his head I didn't even think that was a big deal because. It was like all the time. So when Jesuits stir I thought wow. But I think that really typifies what previously was like very less sequenced were Dave. Marsh says Jankowski said that Ted Nugent, I was his favorite writer. How feel when he learns read? You know it's that sense of. People that was more than single thing. In the whole movie I love The rockstars in their cars just seeing everybody in the seventies with their cars and then you see David Lee Roth on the motorcycle. This overwritten paragraph of like Dave slide into the sunset say with his. COW DRIED COW's skin encrusted pants or whatever it's like. Great sign up there. Yet guys thank you so much. The documentary is great and always love hearing some awesome stories but a little rock and roll history. So thank you guys so much for this. Yeah thanks for having US man. It's been so much fun chat with you and really glad dug the Phil I did and it was great talking to you too Jan. thank you so much. Legendary. A. Jan.. She laughs she's out she. Helped she she did. That's very cream. You're a legend John. Scream right. there. Thanks guys. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

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Washougal MX 2021 Review

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

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Washougal MX 2021 Review

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He's the one responsible for not catching justin cooper's crash. He's the one responsible for the graphics errors for all of that. Everybody it's jason wagon. What's up yeah. That is true. That is true. I mean jay mart was out front. We were just follow liederman. That's trying to do You know we didn't show tomac in the lead of southwick so we're going to just show leaders all the time. Okay all right okay. Sounds fair enough. Hey turn yourself a little bit wage if you can also on the line to time. German supercross champion. Time months y'all supercross champion and also very very angry about the embargoes for the fly racing. Twenty twenty two. It's jason thomas what's up. Jt now much. We definitely need to cover that whole scenario. I have some thoughts and absent explanations. Too dark side did not break the embargo. The heavy odds were on him here in vegas but he managed to play it straight. But our guys at motorsport zach osborne. I'm just you know for all the rules that were brought. We're told to us You you were the rock among you. Were the wacko gone comment because you are saying that it was their fault. I didn't. I said they broke in. I don't i don't want anybody to think that they are there. Especially like someone motorsport. Who is a huge customer in partner for us I don't want anybody thinking that they did anything that they were not supposed to do. there was some miscommunication between different departments and within our company and really what it really came down to is. Our website wasn't ready and in a perfect world. We want to be i right. We wanna go live i And then our website got delayed. Well a few departments were not informed that we were going to be delayed so yet different people are going at different times Zach was told the wrong time By someone who just made a mistake. Nothing there's really nothing more than you can say as other than they just wrote the wrong time and attacks them so either. Julius will know that was his fall. That was that was straight up. Pretty funny which. Jt trying to whack the mole at the carnival. Yeah the racer x ads Went up early and it was hilarious. Because i saw an email from jt. And i'm like wait. This is recycled email from three weeks ago when we already had this issue but no it happened again so it was not. It wasn't as urgent as i thought it was like goal. We already handled that situation And yeah yeah and just seeing and remember as you mentioned dark side this all the fly racing and we didn't explain exactly this is yes but dark side doing it last year. The embargo has been a joke for at least a year. If not two so to see it completely fall apart again was made an amazing friday. All around it really did and it was great. Rj did get on the podium with the kinetic mission the second moto jt but definitely successful twenty twenty two flyer racing when you make a podium. Yeah i mean all we want is our guys to do well and it's been tough when you have your guy with number plate that can't ride because he's injured that's rough And then you lose a race winner from this year. Joey swollen the first corner of the first moto. That's also tough but yeah thankfully. I mean joy. Excuse me a rj pretty well. At least we got some television coverage and the production company for our sport was kind enough to let me speak a little bit and put our stuff on tv which always helps but really. I mean we're just trying to let people know about the products have that's all there is to it. They can make their own decisions. They can spend their own money however they want. If you don't like it that's fine. That's okay But we just want to try to let people know what we're doing what we're about well clinton exciting day up in. We're going to have more coverage of the action in the battles but then we had to go to this. Jason thomas manager interview door. That was that was before the race started so try again while i mean trust me i get plenty of hate. On showing features that are not during the motives rushmore. Anybody yeah listen. If it was during the moto i would have. I would have saved myself a allies going after. But let's check out the twenty to live with thomas ourselves ourselves would have gone down simply because we cut it up. Teacher should have done that. We should feature after tomac around sexton you talk about zach not being there. I'm going to rob a joke from tomorrow. Night's problematic show like he's there he's been at the races have them where the stuff walking around like. He's having put it on. I don't understand enhance mascot. Yeah i mean this was perfect. Chance to me for flyers. It'd be like hey zakho. Listen you're defending champion. You have to wear this twenty twenty two stuff. I mean he. He doesn't want happen. Where the boots or the helmet. Let's be honest but kissed a pickup cat like just like pant and jersey walking around and tennis shoes. Yeah worse i know. 'cause everyone's like look zach osborne what's he doing. He's got his sneakers on so good at a lot of things. But i don't think like style is necessarily your marketing. I'm a marketing guy. And that's what i would do. That's what i and we will. We will pay you to market our brand but let us decide who else and how we market. I missed a massive opportunity so noted and we probably will miss it for eternity hip. And i would put them in the gear. All right while we're does what. What is it rank for you in nationals. Like what what do you think of. What hugo what are you what are you you know i mean what's your thoughts severi. It's a very complex question. Actually have a lot of great stories. Some of the best stories have had taken place shoe I could go on for hours with this. But for example like the first time i ever announced a national like the on the pa system like one of my first big breaks that this race because at this time of year tim caught or have to go loretta lynn's and that's what they would tag me in for the last couple national starting with while struggle so the first time robinson i became the announcers of the nationals instead of it had always been irv ron in qatar ever was like wash ugo and maybe two thousand three or something like that. Maybe i never knew you did any live announcing okay at the guy until until oh nine when i got the tv gig. Yeah and then My wife has some friends that live in portland oregon so we would go there. Probably six seven years in a row brought the whole family out there. Yeah so even. Though it's the furthest one away actually have a lot of history that event. But it's really weird. I feel like why hugo does anyone say like universally people say red buds awesome. And you say melville's the best track which i think. A lot of people agree on. Everyone seems to really like wash bugle but does anyone ever circled as the best. It's weird out. Everyone likes it but no one will put it at the top but everyone likes it. I always felt like growing up because it was on the west coast. And i guess it was the it was later in the season like that would be the race motocross action would cover with a eight page spread right. They i think the the picturesque nece was part of that as well. Yeah they would they would put recap troy and they would recap red bud you know in a couple of pages or they do a national catch up but when it came to shoe goal was a full coverage right because it was close to so cal i myself always look wash chicago. I enjoy going there. Because i generally. It's a hot long summer long flights and you go to chicago and the weather's great scenery as you mentioned scenic. And i'm like okay. This is starting to wind down. The national series is starting to wind down. That's kind of my thinking of what about you. Jt when you think of what shoe will you go at. I really enjoy this race. I didn't love racing. It to be honest i always was a little fearful of the track. The shadows i wasn't a huge fan of The traction was always really tricky. So it wasn't my favorite track to race but now that that chapters closed. I love going. Here bought its supersonic. The flight super short. Which i know is a a weird thing but i people who travel as much as we do short trips or nice and i just enjoy the you know everything about the atmosphere. The scenery of the mouth you know mountainous backdrop that trees is very unique event. So i have grown to. Why get much more now. That i don't have to race it anymore. We tough to pass on here. We go got six zero like this. Your little you know secret about this track. Washable is wash stuff to said about red. Bud you said about south last week. Guttering remember mill same thing. Start the middle jt. We talked about. Charlie always launching gear or doing something special here over the years. I actually got to the bottom of it this weekend. I was talking to tyler. Kief about and he said that troy love the green background and the dirt against against colors of gear. Talk doing going up against bright colors of gear. That is why they always put something special at washable. Yeah if anyone likes break hours it has that brand so that is why they always did wash. Ugo i was we were just reminiscent. I'm like because they did the venom this weekend. Of course for bam bam and so. Yeah i brought that up and so there we go but yeah it's a it's a great race. I talked to ryan huffman the owner of the place and he told me biggest while she will ever and was hacked. I mean i feel like. I've seen more people that i'm not going to go against what he said overflow parking he told me. And so. Yeah so i was gonna. I was gonna comment on that. So i left right at the end of the second floor fifty model because added. Oh that's we. Did you know that he left right. At the end of the second four fifty motor really a i had a flight and So i was driving out. I've never seen cars parked. Where i saw them part this weekend so i was. I knew it was. I knew it was really busy of everywhere. But i've never seen these specific parking. Lots used before. I even know they were parking. Lots available and that's go off of his where people are at where campers that where people parked on. That's a pretty good barometer for. Yeah we was packed. I guess so. I i i. I'm the likely to get a good handle on that. Because at peak time about noon on. I'm not out there. So i'll take it word for it. I can only tell at the podium. Seem nuts in back. Yeah yeah it was really cool. It was it was great to be there. It's a great rates for sure you know. They must've did something about there was a ton of people there. They must have really did something about the exit of the track. Because i was like god. I haven't waited long enough to leave. You know what. I mean to leave the track and then i got right out. I got all the way to the bottom of the light. Before i sort of had some stop and go which was like an all time record to getting out of there i would. I would have thought the time you spent arguing with maxine. Santa's wife would have held up your departure. Why did definitely hold my departure. A little bit and i got really into two on the highway. So that was oh. Wow oh yeah yeah just cut over in front of me. I to slam on the brakes a little bit. And then the dude behind me in a pickup truck Bam right into me. So that's awesome but anyways yeah it Got out of there really quick and everything else so it was. It was cool. Alright leauge we did notice one thing before we start talking about racing so i was walking back towards the track from the media center and it was probably i think it was in between the red. Before the second yeah. Yeah you're running with a bottle of water. Bikes sprinting to the tv truck quickly breaks happening. Usually i can go. I'd say nine out of twelve hours can go the whole four hours without paying but i decided to break the seal on this day and You get a two minute commercial break to make it back and forth and if everything goes right it takes about a minute total but the self-consciousness of if you trip right now and you smash your face you don't make it inside that truck in the next ninety seconds this whole thing is off the rails so that you got to see that in person that was. I didn't know you saw me. I yelled at you guy. He's he's in the zone right now. Yeah yeah and you probably saw the the running was not it was not the most formulate running. It was not trip on the fire. Okay so i was just going to bring up to jt. You're a sneaky good runner. You've sneaky good endurance. Yeah he runs so long. That i missed lunch. Yeah exactly. he is a very sneaky runner. He's got good endurance. So i very confident. Why can't making this. This is more of the Running through the tires like they do the speed drills do not catch show on on all this crap. That's down here in the tv compound and jt. Like i was under the honda. Tent jet was getting. His jet was dressed up ready to go and we comes walking by like santa. Shouldn't you like. I know you do the stand ups early in the morning. Right with the standups. Not before the motives when they and twenty. Am so. i knew that the stand ups weren't getting done but do you were. I don't know what you were doing like. Yeah i walked over to the honda truck at twelve. Forty or and steve is like. Why are you here why here. Why are you not in the booth. What are you doing right here. We go on the air. And i've got one thousand nine minutes and fifty nine seconds. I mean i just thought you'd be over there. Getting ready gone over notes. I don't know we were. We were talking with zakho we. I don't know where you were. We were we were catching. That goes see what's going on with rj. I don't know where the hell i missed. I missed launch. I was over at the honda truck for so long. I missed launch very upsetting day for me. Not happy with that but i was getting some scoops talking to talking to to the jet and talking. Change rune rooster in lars. That's why was going over there. Because what i've really lost ears steep. What is the role. Are we allowed to go into the team trucks. I still don't know i still don't know. I don't think we're allowed in the wall. I don't think we're allowed in certain factory trucks inside the rigs because i tau guys like hey tell the coffeemaker. I miss him. Tell tell them. I'll see him in anaheim but i am noticing Last year was wash. it was just you know. Get do what you gotta do. It's the quality of everything's going to suffer a bit right and this year. I'm noticing like i'm just not getting as many conversations in as i used to because of that precautions for sure i mean good. Yes off the rails. You couldn't literally do anything but here. It's like if you wanna to marvin scan which would be nice to. Hey what's going on. you either. Hope that you walk by the rig five times any happens to be standing next booth bike or you will never see him. Because i don't think i'm allowed to just go in and be like. Hey marv around. So i'm kinda getting frustrated on like there's too many motives were. I wish i knew more about this guy so we're just trying to get into the pits more hoping to bump into people. Because i don't know what else i'm supposed to do so i do ask if i can come in. Yeah no one's ever turned me down yet. Okay but i ended up in the hamburg sexton. I saw sexton in the door. I'm like come in and he's like i don't care so that's one okay. That's one right. Jeff came out the change boots and that was hilarious. You claim you're there for scoops. All you were doing was talking about old canadian moto changing all you were doing we got into. We got into that. I'm sure jet was giving a lot of scoops. Well along those lines. Jt jet comes comes out to put his boots on and then all everyone starts doing. Its quizzing hand on old writers. Do you know that. Someone named rick johnson raced. Do you know the zoo. Jeremy mcgrath does that a name that you're familiar with. Did you know any of them. Or how mcgrath. Which again made him. very sad. mcgrath. Yup and off trust me. Trust me if i had a gun right. Dan shot myself in the head. He said i heard of them and then he said he he said he didn't know rick johnson but he met him because of osho and then he thought he was a fan and then after. Rj walked away. They're like dude. that was. That was a bad dude and osho was like you know that's john's you know what i mean and i'll tell you what man like look dude german graf longtime ago. It really. was you know what i know. But i mean you gotta think jet was born like what three before the three probably tab. What you six or seven before. You know what's going on in your life. Yeah no. I'm saying like i remember racing wash ugo three. I remember vividly. Remember how i did. I remember my my needed new cylinder for the motor because my bike blew up. And he's like he's not even alive yet so it's it sucks we're oldest hell man and that's why next year is my last year. That's why next year is my last year. not you just. You just bought a new house you are not going anywhere for the foreseeable future anyway Do you have any comment. Jt at all about the certain graphic that popped on the screen during the two fifty class. Race joe shimoda slash brandon heart raft. Yes I mean i just feel like that's where we're at okay. Yeah you just nod your head and say there's there's our moment for the week i don't know i don't know how to help you get there. How does that happen. I mean you think about it. They're very there are many similarities name printed harbor. Very similar survey right heartless. What it is. I hope so. Please tell me the number thirty one was okay. Yeah but that's the only possible answer number thirty different class different brenna by completely different name. Oh okay number. Thirty that actually at least are some. I'm not saying it's an excuse. But i couldn't even figure out how it's i just thought of jt. When i saw that on my twitter mentions i. Just wait a minute this. I just figured something out so i had sites in the we'd show and i tell them who i talked to so they can put font on it and the writers number and they're like we have ryan sites has ninety seven on our sheet and i'm like that's weird bikes to sixty four. Maybe he earned supercross points last year. That i'm like i'm trying to remember back to atlanta. He raced in. Like i think he was to sixty four. They might have just had last year's list ninety seven last year. I mean that happens quite a bit. But it's not like they're just going random numbers but it's still not really excusable in my opinions. No like i said. That's not an excuse. I just wanted to know how the steak such a random mistake Fly racing racer podcast presented by the folks at maxis and rental cobo links in motorsport dot com all onboard. This was the motorsport dot com. What's you'll national as well Armagh and on maps chase sexton gets to win one week after adamson's exits a series his training partner shea sexton rise flawlessly and mowana. Get the win. Third in modo two and i mean look i don't wanna draw any obvious parallels any conclusions or jump to any sort of wild theories here about sex and told me after the race that he worked with a tim. Ferry on starts this week and nailed them this week at the race. And yeah timmy. For everybody every go. I mean what else. What else can you explain it. How else can you explain. I i. I'm so happy. I don't know how when was timmy's last year racing nine. Oh nine we did not know. I all timothy would go on to be a coach or trainer at that time. No we certainly did not know that. His son would be a budding soon to be professional and factory. Rod the fact that you keep having these gifts being given when twenty ten. I'm like how steve gonna do this. We've got one or two more years can even use the tim ferry material. And it's going to be out and here we are no he would just keep going anyway. It wouldn't matter but it would be. It would be very irrelevant even while i was going on. You know snow incredibly aerobic notice. Some is going to be professional. He's working with top riders today. Like mardi for years ever stop a sex is never signed. I'm not saying. I'm saying if he hadn't done any this it would be irrelevant. But now but it's been arrested and no one has slowed down working with marty canard very relevant. That's very very relevant. Evan you're saying using f i it was trey and that was perfect very relevant than it was mardi then still relevant and now it's evan and now it's relevant and now it's the winner of the race like now it's so relevant. I do not believe it would matter one percent. You're your rollerball do hasn't been relevant for thirty years. Do you understand what you're saying. Of course i agree. I'm saying it's perfect because it's relevant about arguing that i'm not gonna stop. I'm just saying stopped you. It's never stopped you. Yes but now it's it's been relevant so it's been great. It's never stopped me but now it's relevant it's fantastic. It's been relevant. How does i mean dogar is not relevant. You just keep hammering at home. None of these things i mean. It's cool like i'm happy for you that you have a guy this relevant. I am not arguing with you. I am not arguing with you here. That i would ever have stopped mentioning but what i am saying is that it's been relevant for a long time now. So it's been perfect. What is the backstory of. How sexton ended up hooking up with timmy. And can we just mention for starts. Yeah he no he's known he's a known star okay so i was on my mountain bike. Ride the lsd ferry No no no no. No i got the theory. I got this theory. And so i want to know the truth. I don't want your theory. Stay with me here. So i was on mount migrated anos thinking about timmy and starts and sexton and like here so timmy wasn't going to start with me at all yamaha for four years. Better cowie though. I would you agree. Jt better kelly on starts. He sends me to have it really inconsistent. He sends me photos of them and videos of them getting starts to prove that. So i read a story. One time that like sampras or or currier or one of these american tennis players back in the day would practice where they wouldn't rack because it would make it would make the game easier when they got on their carbon racket rap racket right so they would practice with this heavy old wood aluminum wood racket and whatever so then come the the match. The racket will work better so they would sit. They would be great. So did timmy purposely tank his starts because they were so good that he didn't need to do good starts. He didn't need to have good starts. It was a challenge for them to get bad. Starts to the pack under some sort of like physical. When you came up with it was it was home low on oxygen. No it was hot though. It's not listen. i'm still working out. I'm still doing the math but it is odd. That sexton worked at timmy. On starts you know what though honestly i i have worked with tim on starts to and just because you aren't able to always execute something doesn't mean you don't know how to do it there. There is a significant difference there. I think that michael byrne can help people go fast much better than some people. That could go faster than he could. There is a. There's a difference between being able to do it yourself and knowing what you're actually supposed to do so i don't. I don't think it has to be correlated. Timmy ferry helping chase sex out chase second winning. That's your headline wage. Forty eight hours before this race on your motive sixty show with the great justin brayton who i can. Only hope continues to provide gifts twelve years after he's retired the way theory has but he probably will. I can probably count on it but anyway we're talking about jet lawrence's trouble with starts me you in the great. Jv and you literally used to me. As you reference of dude we did thousands and thousands and thousands practices. We did everything. We tires bikes up. Would carburetor we did everything and it never worked and we were literally you were literally using him as the yardstick of how hard it is to six starts. Yes and forty eight hours later chase sexists like i've never had a shot my outdoor career and then temporary fixed Mazing do you understand my joy when he told me that after the race all understand it. I think we can i can i. I just finished getting verbally accosted and was a little down in the dumps. And that was that was brought up to me and i forgot all about i need so much more information on costing but So my last thing on this topic where where did the sexton ferry connection. Why was even working during. How did this even happen man. Oh i just want to work with the great so you reach out. He's been trying to get a hold of timmy. Forever and tim he's been turned down. Okay something like that okay. So it's james stewart easy easy connection to make no prob. Yes if he could just ever get a hold of this guy right exactly. It's great fantastic. Everybody's still still dominating the races off the track. It's fantastic but sexy. Great man that i motor was epic kenny cottam. And you're like okay. Kennedy's early and we know what she doesn't get that rough and doesn't get that hot and everything else and now i'm kinda like okay. I i think rocks is going to get them and Sex and drop the hammer and pulled away and yeah. Jt was a flawless. I moto it was amazing sakamoto. Yeah he he admitted he didn't everything for he likes it. He was trying to creatively block. Them couldn't couldn't hold them back. So it was a a really impressive ride especially the first mode because i think that both marvin and i were putting in some really fast laps trying to close it down and it would have been pretty easy. I think to lose your poise there and fall back into their pace and yet what was the motive there so i think this race has been a long time coming. We've all been expecting it. And kinda wondering where that level has been ever since we left paula. I think we've been kinda scratching their heads about where it's gone but he certainly looked like he was back this weekend and a lot of the talk right now and the sexton just really helped his cause right there. I'm in a man on a sexton motorcross nation. You are okay yeah mean. I don't expect to win. Just i'm in on him being there. I'm good with the best part is jt. He himself chase sexton is in on it because perfect. Yeah he was asking. Somebody has now asked. Rj rj city is not paid approached. Hasn't heard anything about the nation's but sexton's like johnson where it was this a conversation combo. Yeah some some fan. You told rj when he walked away jets fan. No please don't don't even saying on this show in case leaked out. Energy finds out very sad. Detective said he wants to do it. Absolutely hundred percent would love to race it but he wants to earn it. you know. he wants to get it by because he's winning races and not. Because you know four other guys didn't picked or couldn't be picked So that's cool. He's enthusiastic about it. I want guys that want to be there always. Did you talk to tomac after the race. No i was over in that media corral but he had already done like eight interviews mike. I'm molly malone. He was he was stoked man he lost and he was told he said yeah. It sucks to ride that good and not win. You know what i mean. But he's like. I gave it my all. The fans are amazing. And what are you gonna do man like i mean like wh what can you do. I was trying. I was trying and he was happy. He was really happy and he got second. And i don't know. I was just thinking to myself. We a little bit about what you were saying about like guys aging right and and maybe he's rap and i talked to him every race so i don't know for sure but i felt like it. Southwick he was a little pissy at his day and and for whatever reasons he wasn't just this is larry. this is just. This is just a matter of interpretation. So i cannot believe the path that you have just gone down okay. So i didn't need interview like is coming brower from racer x already had and he's like i was surprised. I saw how happy on the podium. But then when i interviewed him after the race he seemed super unhappy because he didn't win and he's like well like that. You've got to try to get the winds on those days. And then in addition steve. I could not believe how happy i thought. So maxine when i did talk to him after southwick and you're saying he seemed unhappier then so i don't know really funny. He he exactly how maybe we ended up in the world where we're at today right with news but yeah i felt like he was just like the first motors are a joke. I got to figure that out that kind of stuff you know at southwick and this one he was like. Yeah what can you do. What can you do like. I gave him my man you know. So he blew it. He blew it not turn right after the mechanics. I think he had a shot at trying a move and then outside berm. He was railing. He just blew it. And that was it but i think go ahead well he. He told us that he he was trying to set up dylan the same way. He set up sexton after the finish right. Couple turns after that. And so that's what he was sidelined. Right that's what he was trying to do. But at that point when he screwed up the corner the mechanics he had lost his chance because it was a white flag lap. You know what i mean. So he tried before comes before that. Yeah he tried that. He just didn't get there what he didn't get inside the way he did on sexton and then after that he was railing that outside wine and it kind of blew out on him. But i think as a precedent that you just have to give you know. Sometimes you just have to nod your head to civil. I mean he. He was incredible the way he was able to ramp his intensity backup. doesn't happen very often. Most guys can't withstand a tomac run. And i think that was vintage tomac in those last few apps and for says just found a way to fight it off and thomas faster like we all know but try to think of times or somebody's able to been able to hold that off and i just think you have to tip your captive francis. Hey good job you did enough in the first. You know ninety five percent of the race. That i couldn't get there well and in front is look back at one point like a three way through and it was like i was like okay. Gotta go because everybody knows what he lives coming right. These screaming his bike. It's it's it's sounding like monsters behind him as a domestic abuse to say so credit. Yeah full full props a friend as leading every lap of the second moto each to get third overall and he has a forty seven point lead. Yeah yeah we'll we'll get to that later with rocks in a bit but It was impressive because it's kind of like the battle. We've been waiting to see like we've seen that we know eli rep like when he gets going late in the race. It's obviously almost legendary and then francis has been very very strong late the races this year and we didn't get to see them ballot southwest. I don't know if you guys saw on the tv coverage. Unfortunately francis bike was steaming. But we didn't we didn't get that battle there So i was waiting. I'm like what if we get one of these days. Where allies eat really eli and for indus happens to have a good start at the same rate and we got it and yeah i got the fastest lap of the race. He hit a two thirteen which was ridiculous. But and got back into. I believed to fourteen on the last lap. Gained for the challenge. Does good also yeah. It was awesome and of course had gotten friend is that what given the overall you know. So that was exciting as well. I'm sure knew that. So is it not crazy. The of all the things that tomac this year a million of them also. Now he's putting in some pretty good rights like the first couple rounds. We will never understand brown to thunder valley. But now he's put in a series of good races. He's been fast almost every weekend. And it's like is he gonna win and overall like it's unbelievable how it's just not working out. And he seven rounds deep even now writing fast. It's bizarre. He gets one hundred of course but at this point. I'm surprised we've gone four or five races in a row where he's been really good and it just keeps not working out so a on faranda so on twitter Jimmy button was Conversing back and forth with racer x zone brower about the battle between maranto. Amac and jimmy button was hypothesizing that you can't wet tomac win in that situation like no matter what it is. What the situation is you have to go for the win. Because it's you. I tell him back in because you can't let him get on a roll and i am not there. I don't necessarily buy that. I don't think that verandas was like i've gotta go. I've got to put it all on the line because it's tomac in because i can't let him get momentum. I just think you wanted to win. I don't think in that moment. He was thinking championship. Momentum could all shifts right here. I just think he's i wanna win. I i've been waiting this whole motor. And i'm gonna i'm gonna go for it right tries hard as i can versus like this big picture macro view about tomac and momentum because talks fifty plus points down. He's not even second points. So i was just curious. Your guy's thoughts on that of what's going through fernandes's mind in the moment walk. Couple friends specifically made mention about not too many people beat. Eli tomac late in the moto about. Yeah and you know. He was very stoked on that right that he did that he was very. He mentioned it a couple times. I think it's the same idea right. Yeah you just wanna win. It's too early to start like what if the momentum just wanna win. I think i think trying to trying to say that. A rider is thinking about big picture momentum for championship when your your heart rates two hundred in the last few apps i don't i'm not i'm just not there. I always shade. An aside of. I said it's a million times there. They do not calculators. Handlebars i feel that. Most of the time and this is based on tons and tons of post race conversations of riders mechanics. Teens people teen people over twenty years. It's usually under thought not over thought. It's yes it's as simple as yeah. I was in the lead. I was trying to win. Like i'm not like okay. I could let them pass still overall. Wouldn't it be affected. Points wouldn't be like they pretty much. Just go as fast as they can for as long as they can and then they finish where they finish to me. That's pretty much the way. The racing goes to strategy game. Highly over thought and over analyze. It happens that stuff you think about this week and next week at the track. And you're on your your bicycle all during the week. That's when those those thoughts not to go when you're adrenaline is through the roof. And you just want to beat the guy like yeah man round seven hundred twelve. We're not even you know you're not going to start being like doing math at waco tax threat right now really you know. He's so he's he's a full race out you know. I don't even go so far as to say the amount of times. I've argued over like ryan. Don't you did a man. He would just take a third if the wind wasn't there and i'm like no. He went as fast as you possibly could or he went as fast as he could anyone. He just went as fast as he could every week. And whatever got what he got. That all started from scott taylor and ricky co stuff. That's all started. you know. Yeah yeah the take taking second to third. I don't think. jt know better than me. I don't think you can be at that level. If you're over thinking it like you have to at this level extreme level that tomac and is on. You're going on instinct at that point. Aren't you well. There is something to be if you can't win today. Don't crash out into there's something to be said for that. I do get there. The two fifty by the way. We'll get there. Yeah right right and it's very it's very relevant there. Yes but i don't think guys are like well you know like in moto. You hear that a lot because motorcyle it's it's such an equipment based sport in s. One is the same. Where if you're bikes not very good on a certain track. You're just screwed like you can't overcome certain things because you're the bike and the car is everything we're motorcross honda's just not very good at wash u. also were hoping for a third day. That's not really how it works. You know but mid moto like dan. That guy's just too fast. I'm not gonna throw away the championship trying to win today. I think that does happen at some level. I just don't think in that moment. Where horrendous is winning. he's like nope. i'm going to turn it up here. Because i can't wait. I can't wait till mac get on track here. Well guess what already won a bunch of second mode and it didn't really change anything that comes into play a little bit. That kind of stuff is when the when the guy gets you right. And you're like okay. Do i want a wicked up to stay with them. No i have pointedly. You know like i this limit right now and so. I go over this limit. The chances of me crashing is really high right so you're just like go ahead man you know. Whoever that guy is go go go away so for me. That was typically ten to fifteen guys. I felt that were for anybody. Timmy didn't know anybody helping helping people win. Racists this day. I also say look if you're doing any guy that level ninety nine percent of the time you've ever written or race you're just going as fast as you can so the all of a sudden can just change into this calculus algorithm program during the week. What are they trying to do. Go as fast. They can for every minute of the thirty minute. Practice moto practice. What are they doing. They're trying to go fast. And every mode. Where i i. Just don't buy that these guys. I would think renaissance situation is more like i have to hit the stern. I have to triple into these. Whoops i have to. I think he's thinking about that. Not tomac yeah points. Let me see maybe not worth it like. I don't think that goes on as much people say sign a lifer marvin for marvin moose can qualified. Second second tho- basically the whole. I moto crashes late and gives it gives it away but this is a good track from our if he's one here before but he also want southwick and that wasn't so good but three five on the day and fourth overall for marvin. Jt he'll take it. It's a sign of life. Oh that was a huge step forward. I mean that that is the first time in this season where he and. I'm going for memory so if if someone wants to prove me wrong go back and stats whatever fine. But that's the first time. I remember him all year where he's really moved forward inamoto or both motives. He was faster than most of the guys around him and he was pressuring towards the front. So if you're marvin hell yeah. You're in a good mood on your flight home like that as a really positive day in a season where it's been mostly crap yup good job for that barsha. Four seven on the day went to interviewing after the race and then he told me get outta here. I don't wanna talk to you. And i said don't get mad at me because you suck today one week after winning and then we got into it and then we were laughing. We're weird where i have gone with justin barsha at this point He also wants everybody to watch. Tv either one of you watch tv. I don't know what that is. No but i have to say the sales pitch. I did listen to your interview of our show as you explained it. It's not the typical dog race day. Now i'm actually He inter- he says it's the best rider of log out there but has down okay and he said something. If i didn't laugh he would give me one hundred dollars. Remember exact thousand dollars something here in for that one time. My parents were crocodile. dundee came out. They said if you don't laugh. I like i don't want to go to the movies like if you don't laugh we'll buy your choice so i can stone face it. Do not worry. There's a price on the line. I will not laugh laugh in dundee ida toy in the line. Hell no hell no. Is that a realistic movie to be a an alien. That is right from the bush that relatable. I think the movie was actually good. But i wasn't giving my parents that i spent an hour and a half thinking about tonka. We're not gonna get just keep not laughing so barsha hundred bucket. Yeah four seven for him. It's again it's like. I mentioned him in the post race. Thing you didn't get the starts and that's what happens when you don't get the start so you probably ended up on the podium. Had he gotten starts but fifth overall. It was cooper wet when he. He's the only one that really has for end assault for and us do everything at him and he didn't get him just last week. Actually didn't barsha get brenda's back. Yes for ns. Marcia got for ennis. Barsha pass them. Oh did he. yeah. I believe. Let me double check. I just remember for lying longtime and night back briefly but always ahead of them. Yeah bam bam got him okay. i don't know the beginning of the race ban was ahead of them or sorry behind him. Okay wait that. Is i recall. That is my that i just pulled up and go ahead of them millville okay millfield very relevant also ahead of everybody else. No here. It is fifty one fourteen. No i guess you know what i think they swap positions on a lap. I swear to god. I watched the pass and then ban got him right back. That could be true. Yes and probably wasn't covered on tv though but anyways yeah very very very very defensive right and actually kind of. I don't say he broke them. That's a little a little extreme. But yeah he pulled away a little bit so good job. Good job for bam cooper web. Six six overall got a whole shot in moto two south there. It is not there. It's not there. It's not there i don't but the mar- thing that confused me more because there was like wait a minute. That was actually there from our. So it's like the slightest sign of life like you said it could happen web same as it's been for the previous six crew. He's fighting though he's fighting. Each trying thrive trying honestly. Nobody from the eighty. Three compound really had a good day so it was it just the pace like their pace overall. Just seem to be off jet connor web. Joey like yeah joey. They all didn't really have any sort of interesting. Really eighty-three that's what it is right. Yes i don't know. I don't i don't know web going there. I don't know i. I dunno i. Dunno cut the microphone. Cut the mic. Now i don't. I don't know anybody anything pretty sure. That's old news okay. Ap told me already talked about. Yeah i think i did. I can't the the writers training programs and trainers who cares. Like the fans. Put more stock into than i do. That's for sure but pretty big deal officially officially public supercross champion switches. You're right it is a bigger deal. Ap eighty-three compound not all bakers. Yep yep you do not think that's a big deal is i said well i said it was talking about anderson leaving alden like four years ago and it's still a topic rocks seven years. I don't know why government secret though like he's not there every day like i don't know what what i think i think they all know that it's oh my god it's gonna be like fire talk vital lookout. Yeah i mean if you know put proof will be in the pudding for next year and you know we kind of saw anderson win but then we also. I don't think any of us think that anderson had the drive to win either as much as coop. He's ever guys. You got a superstar full props to them but yeah i mean it webs a outdoor champ. He is a two time supercross championship. He can do whatever the hell wants like. Who cares. it's much do about nothing okay. Ap fell in. I turn first. Lap of i mode is dead last game between told me afterwards. He doesn't like sugar and it's not a surprise but he hung in there and the top three right outside the top three for the second model for half of it and then kind of drop back the fourth but yeah twelve four for a day christian craig eight a big crash in the in the morning in practice that was a big one and then devon raper was also freaked out by implying wet down as well right promotion of the year by god. He went down watching. He was so shocking that he just eight for craig and i told them afterwards and i there was the crash at southwick also in the morning when he landed on his head a little bit. You know he's like. I'm not scared he goes. I just sets the tone for my day which made sense to me right like just you have a big one and you're off all day. You're just you're not scared. Which is what he wanted to stress. You're just off. And i get it. Sure it makes sense as a writer but he got he got good stars in. Craig got shuffled back quicker than cooper web. He was going back but eight on the day for him. Ken rock sandwich. all right. look. I hate to say this but luckily i don't remember exactly where this came from so the person that said this is out there. Let me know but at the beginning of the year we were talking about supercross and somebody was like. Hey the problem rocks trying to win. Any title is that there are going to be racists where he has some sort of issue usually a physical issue And you can count on a couple of bad races and he's gonna lose too many points in those races so he just went six ten and lost a ton of points when he could not afford to. I don't know. I cannot remember who that was had that. Tell me more about this theory. judge Yes so it to me. Like when i see this unlike should be shocked like yeah. This is the problem. He has nine of twelve races. That are good and two or three where there's something wrong says. He was sick and his social today. So i mean somebody said that there will be issues and that's why can't win. Titles yeah well. Some judge ruled against that. So some astle judge so case was and supercross and there was a ruling and i we live in a civil society where rules have to be followed and judgments have to be abided by but the same judge said that if there was something happening outdoors he would accept an appeal to the decision true. But that's all right. That judge cannot go three months later. Round seven we cannot use physical we cannot use feeling sick and nearly august. Three not doing nazi lena pop up every now and then. Dna long loss recovered. Dna were serial killers get arrested. I mean i wouldn't be wouldn't be relevant from march. this is. He was sick this weekend. He three the first. Four motos the nationals. Clearly he was healthy during super cross. He was fine. We'll see in the the appeal. Won't we now we won't. It's done if you had if sorry whoever this was made this prediction had said the same thing before the nationals instead. Brock can't win the title because he will have issues that person we're looking good role. I'll buy would never taken that bet though i would have. I also think that he's not gonna win. The tour title crooked. The system is crooked creek to the same thing i mean. This is the same unfortunate thing that we've seen every other year that he's raced outdoors kuker crooked sixteen crooked ducks like it sucks. Because it's you know it's messing up the title fight. yeah dude. He looked sakamoto he. He was shot. Yeah absolutely he didn't come to corral and she was sick and it is what it is. I think again. Like when you're can rocks and i think you've earned the benefit of the doubt to say you're sick and for us to go. Okay that's you're sick like it was a terrible terrible day so i'm not going all jokes aside. I'm not going to throw in the look at this. You know what. I mean guys get sick so that happened but wait no. Don't you look. I'm trying i of making one hundred percent hundred percent. Yes yes but i was. I mean i wasn't thinking of the sick like the flu where you whatever the flu or whatever kind of sickness he had where you're just one day in your over it. I was more thinking to be honest. More thinking some sort of chronic condition of sickness. You know yeah so savant. Ten nine of quiet day. One motari moved up from the back a little bit maxine the eleventh eleven points on the day. Did you talk about the race. Earning info or by their. Yeah yeah i went by there. Yeah absolutely i mean we had billy gardell from twisted tea on the show and i feel like i'm gelling with that team. You know really looking forward to doing more. Maybe with them or the team. Or you know what i mean like really like heart rats dude even even though let's say you switch to mitch's team He's a good dude briefly. Yes briefly no. Listen so max's chick. I said this almost pod a couple of weeks ago and it was also subject to my race. Tech rant on my pulp show. I said that his wife found out his wife not a girlfriend. His wife put on something about pos bike. And it's costing my husband is he's going to you know endangering his life or something. You guys thought so. I went off on it as a guy. That's been on a team for a long time. I went off on that. I said you can't do that no matter how frustrated you are. You can't say that stuff you can't put it out there in public and hopefully that the team would say something and whatever and the maximum. His wife didn't like that. Max went by the chock maxes. Get outta here and i thought he was kidding. He's got that nice harry potter accent. So it's hard to take that anger seriously. But then he get out of here get get out of here get out. He talked shit. You talked to get out of here. And i'm like oh boy and remember we had a tony lessee a few years back at wash u. also far from that spot either burial ground there and so yeah i just said the max. I'm like okay like i'm out of your tent out of your tent. I'm on the. I was underneath the now i'm out. And then he just said man. I i don't think he should say that you know. And then he went into the truck. And i was like okay. Well i'll talk to brennan heart raft because you talking motive. Pc rod and then she came out and she let me have it too. And i'm just like but you can't say that. I said you may not know what i done in the sport but i said i worked on teams for a long time and i know these guys are busting their asses and you can't say that she said well i said it from my heart and then i deleted it and i'm like okay but that's fine but you can't say that i said these guys don't put on social when max falls over you know. Hey mac suck today fell over. Screw him or whatever. It's a team effort man. You're in good and bad. And so anyways not not a good scene over there and look like it would even get physical for a moment. So with a member of the hip com. Yeah we're gonna get physical with a heck number. Yes yes that level. Yes and i was just like i mean i told the guy i'm like. Are we gonna fight now. Or what are we gonna do and then he was like you need to get out of here and i'm like listen. I'm on that side here so you can't do anything. I'm not underneath your truck and that's how it kind of went right. So i mean look. They're not happy with me. I'll maybe will reach out. And maybe they'll talk. You know. I guess that's the end of my maxence the interviews. I don't care. I stand by it like you can't do that. That's complete horsh. It and if i was running a team i would let them know that surprised. They weren't mad at max. They're mad at you know. No no only one guy on the team dustin pipes. The owner was perfectly fine with me. He said i understand. You said that. I get it. You know what i mean. So only one member over there and then they said i can never come around again and then doesn't pipe said you can come back around so now i really do so. Yeah confrontation. I had no idea this went on. I mean how similar the escalated. Whatever emotions where did it compare to genova. And is that a ten ten ten now. That's an eight hundred. That's eight hundred is this is. This is our this. Four hundred four hundred. Yeah half the the. The laser was intense But this is what. I witnessed that one but only the only reason i witnessed that one was because i happen to be the cowie truck and and filipo obviously racing that day and he was demanding that we all go. He knew he couldn't go over there. Witnesses you wanted as many people to see it back to possible. He's got to go over there. Let's space you got to go over there and told me what's going on so i didn't have a tip me off why now anderson on twitter replied to racer twitter and for the day. Yes yeah which was me. Running in about justin cooper thrown away that money with the crash and then somebody said you just responded to mathis and he said i responded to the twitter and then they said well mathis runs the twitter which of course. How was he supposed to know like. It's it's the stupidest thing ever to say like. Hey you responded to mathis tweeted that with dumb. Right and then anderson wallace great. No just saying the guy telling them like you're responding the math. That's okay so then. The guy's math tweeting racer x and it's just that they hire a new guy and i'm like oh okay so then i said he would reply with something about how husky is also hiring new guy next year but he's currently blocked by you anderson to his credit re tweeted that. So yeah yeah. I agree with anderson. Restrict probably should hire a new guy. Wow okay all right disagree on then of course. Of course the best part of the max and his wife said this. I think she said for sure. I don't know of mac senate so forgive me. If he didn't but they both. I believe said all you do is talk shit on us. Meaning max which is what. Why get used as as as you're a mart or phil. That's a theme or timmy. Your team which is the word all you do is shit is what. Why can't use this as the climb. Yes it is. That really struck you. If i love avenue i love that well for joking about the cops of your house this week on one of our tex threads and you gotta admit that shit talkin internet does work so calming around. I know and i was like jerry springer and i said i said i said no i have not. I said to her specific guy. Remember that saying. I wrote plenty of good things about max this year. I guess you don't read very well or something. And that didn't help either. And so i think i think when they signed him last year. I think we'd have to check the tapes. I think you were saying you didn't think that was a good move. I did not. Yes i do. Not but but so. Here's the thing saying a guy's been solid and making all the main supercross. The that word doesn't filter back to people. Saying i heard this dude said you shouldn't have been signed. That does so. Of course of course absolutely guys never remember anything of the good stuff right. They never do that. And but the smart ones know how the media works. When you're good they talk about it when you're bad they talk about it. And that's what i feel like i do. But you know. I purposely went over there because again talking about going to the races and talking about moto media nowadays some some motor media i purposely went over there because i knew that i said this about max. Max wife's social so. I'm like i'm going to go over there. And if i just see raft or whatever i'm not gonna go find max but i will go over there and talk to whoever's there and max was there and he didn't wanna talk but that's part of the game when you when you say something bad you know you're at the rises you. You're there for these riders in the team and whatever to put your face on and be like. Yeah man. I said it so well. I'm sure there will be even more discussion on your show tomorrow night so any further but i heard all day off the best thing i heard all day. Steve getting screamed out by a writer and his wife is is great. I mean at anybody. Coming at steve. All all really. Oh your your time is coming here. Just give some twenty minutes. Well i only like it to appoint because in full disclosure. If i had been at the race well west. I went to merge Right after the race. I left to fly to tunisair but if i had been there when the whole thing was going down with moore concepts Probably would've have gotten fight i. I'm almost positive. Nickel sending your guy or jehovah's stomach. I can only take so much. I'm fine with argument. But if somebody's going to go at steve immediately flipping now. I'm on steve sided. We're gonna we're going to have it out. I saw tony earlier and he was like. Hey i was thinking about you this week or something i to call you and i'm like okay. Well what does it. And he's like. I don't know i don't remember what it was and i'm like well let me know or whatever you know. I'm good to see you genova. Mike was over there too. And and then and then i said oh hey was right over there not that long ago we got into it or something. And he goes he goes. That was a bad day. Yes it was one of those things where it's like. Yeah i i think steve idiot but that he's he's already right you don't you don't get yeldham. I mean i will i will. I will fight to the death on the fact that she should not have put that on social media like that is non negotiable. That's not not something you should ever do for a team. That's paying on money acceptable. Yeah it's funny. I'm like putting myself in if i'm standing there and i'm probably dying laughing. He's yelling at you. But then whenever one of the team numbers wants to then to a different level. I'm usually slipped to the other side. Yeah that's where i'm like. That's where i'm at. I'm really really guy really. This is where we're going so all right. This is your deal dance. He's not mind so you you take care of it anyway. But i will say this in your defense in any other sport if a if an mba players. Why for example says something on social media about the coach or the team and deletes it immediately. Oh no no no no no. It ain't getting deleted going to be front page headline news. There's going to be discussed on every sports argument. Show the next day. That is how it works. If a athletes wife says something about the team they are going ham on it. Absolutely just how it works not there. I don't even know if that is fair but is it is how it works. She voted whole five minutes to it. I'm like five minutes of a five hour show. Wow you know. I mean god. It's i struggle with that stuff. Like i don't think that there's anything that can gain from it. When family members Take it to social to arrow that stuff. I think it does. It could be anybody it can be an uncle. It could be a weiss to be a dad. Mom anybody should i. I don't think there's anything positive we're gonna come from again. The team doesn't bag on max when he falls over to turn your all. There is an effort right and shit goes sideways teams. I've been there. I know this and you know you're all in it together. And if there's problems keeping mouse right i've been on some really shitty teams really shitty and in the moment i don't think i ever was ruining them. I don't think i was. Yeah alright so dean wilson twelve. Watch dino's vomited. I wanna tell you one thing about unrelated to this because because we're actually still cool even do our racer x best post show ever together. You guys were really enjoyed the steve. Maybe you more than anyone. His writing was better. He's felt it was one of the veterans of the year. Why they got a part d. r. part and. I'm like dude this season start. Why why did you just get this part now. Please tell me was nothing off. Feels bike. I will be yeah. Yeah we're stroup is true pastrana parts on. I just knew you would enjoy army buddy part at the way we had nineteenth round. Okay all right okay Dino twelve watched. The blog is very entertaining. Good job dino heart raft thirteen for brandon. Bogle fourteen shock. Fifteen ben lemay ryan sites qualified. Well road really well. The first moto good job sides came from way back in the second moto to finish one spot out of double points apartment fantasy and that. Yeah i felt the same pain fantasy wise there but it still blows my mind. This impressive thing about is supposed to be that. He's a motocross supercross. I doing other things but to me. What impresses me more is how good he is when he randomly shows up at a supercross motocross. he's like the guys he beats. It doesn't make any sense to me. They should they should not be getting beat by him. I mean he shows up no prep. He had raised the national in three years. And you're like yeah the only guys that beat them are like really good guys. And that's what happened in supercross two that really impresses me carson brown to show eighteenth in the first moto then show for the second hurt shoulder so stroke get that he made it. That's impressive points. Shutout too late and smale lands kid. Yeah well that's good duties layton twenty-sixth layton smell that'd be really cool to see your kid qualify in front of his family and friends at the same track that you had success at connor olsen. We each i mean. Look great the solid and Road well and i'm looking forward to the high yield return on the investment. I was able to make carlson a not a good day. For era through his boots as a medicated. The got his boots. So i don't know what went off ready nor does anybody what happened. Fred's de dns. He he got the start of the second moto. I assume for money and then just rode around and pull off. So i don't know. I was very happy to dodge that bullet though for pulp fantasy because he was on my team all week owning up to it or my virtual team anyway and i pulled him at the last minute and yeah it worked because he wrote really well. He's got he's usually good at washable. He wrote well thursday night at. There's an motocross like this. All work. Nope dna good track form. Generally speaking a darn bait and switch man. I put freddie on my team for millville because you said to pick him in your staging area column at racetracks online dot com can you. he did. I scored a lot of points. But i take by faith that would you say you're going to do something that you're not gonna read on another last second. He was on team in and out all day. Saturday i just at the last second thought. That cody shaq had more upside. And cody shocked. derailed chains and broke chains all day long so it wasn't like i thought i backed off. 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Which yeah jamie ten still relevant still. I just want people to know. And i should. We should include you on this group. Jt it's mean region brayton on a group text and i just want people know that it's not an act like he. Heart emojis every text from brighton. No matter what. Britain says he just capitalize both capitalize. We ask in every day. And every i mean i just want people know this this is this is not for show. This is this is for real everything and says brains. Like i'm getting a sandwich puts a heart emoji to that to that comment and bright nowy stores in steve. Prove exactly. somehow. Somehow i've turned into jt with aimar. Like i've turned into this. I loved that someone else does this. You do to me with every narrowness ought not and you just throw them at me. No and i have nothing to do with it. Not true not true but this is this is this is. This is me with break. Now i am in this weekend you can suck on that. 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It's the number one offroad. Gps app so on x. maps dot com or wounded road in the app store. Yeah thanks mcgrath users on maps all. You need to know all right. Justin cooper while shoe go. Wow he went from okay so we put two points on the jet which is good but he lost. Let me do the quick math here. He was twenty. I think it was going to be thirteen thirteen. Yes so just like that. I attach you guys on social fan goddess crash. Did you see it. Justin cooper posted it. But we did. Okay yeah it was a good one like good. Good one The camera weeds missed it. Of course wasn't on. Tv broadcast too busy focusing on heart raps issues. But yeah dude bummer. If you're cooper if you're cooper jt are you. Are you mad about the loss points or are you like listen. I still gain too. But i threw away overall. Yeah i think both those you obviously realize you gave you know an opportunity there but i don't blame them for trying to go for the win. He was closing on jay mark. He put in one of his best laps. Right there the weapons for that so you know if he was feeling comfortable in only wanted to try to get the moto win when you kinda have jet lawrence on its heels a little bit. I don't blame them for that. He's not a guy that takes huge risks. So you know i don't. I think that was just an outline. Right there's just a freak deal that happened in a really weird spot to crash. So i don't think you really change anything about. It's just unfortunate it where you could really put a dent into this You know the point situation you still gain but it could look a lot different than does right now. We thought he was obviously look is press conference after the race. And you know it's it's not always a sign of how things are going. But i thought he was fine with it in the press conference. Well that's understandable because you know at the same time. He took the points lead last week and didn't seem happy and he's been saying for a year or two now like he knows he's consistent. He knows he's fast and qualifying. He wants to be a guy that wins racist. That gets one once so he. This might have been as well. I think you even asked him as well as he's ever ridden didn't you ask them. Efforts moto suffers. Motive was was great. Yeah right so if if you're going to sulk over in to three at the last rates and be like yeah. I took the points lead. I'm not happy. Yeah i want overall this. You're going to. that's not what i want. I want one wants and you were fast enough to almost pull it off. Then you should be happy so yeah good for him. He's trying to break that mold and you could tell he was like really really dry. I want a one one bat. Screw the points good for him. Yeah yeah still put two on on the you know what i mean. So the jagai lucky. He could've scored none in that mode. But that crash. The average start eight point four justin cooper three point one. Yeah man. I gotta say the second moto at least was something the second atrocious and he worked up and he he. He sort of salvaged a bad day. But generational jet. If you're gonna if you're jet here. Jt jeff spending the next three weeks now saying am a second motor start. I was fine. I gotta fix right. You tell yourself right. Sure i would be more worried about the pace. I haven't seen okay. I haven't seen a anything in the motos in the last while That would be very reassuring going back to southwest. He wasn't all that fastest southwick. He wasn't all that fast at spring creek in the motos. Any wasn't all that fast at washington the motives. So there's nothing wrong with that. But i think if you are if your ultimate goal in it's pass fail for being the champion or not being the champion and there's there's reason to be concerned in my opinion because i think right now i would put him the third fastest rider. Navy fourth r. j. would be arguable. There to daniel blair's on line three like mine. Finding i don't think that that's that's a slam on him. I just think that's reality at the moment. That just where it is. I don't think that's where it was early in the season. That's not what the situation wants. But that's what it is right this second six whole trying to this topic. Here's the thing. I only see as we discussed many times. What we see on camera so when you start twelve. I don't even see the guy. And i can look at laptops during the race but you to have been the last couple of races. You're seeing the whole field. So are you not seeing jet like moving up like slowly slow yes right but not with. This is the best dude in the class c. That's that's the thing if you wanna be champ like you gotta make quick moves at gang. Can't get stuck behind guys that you are significantly better than in my opinion and you've gotta go. You can't be sitting in eighth place at halfway. You just can't be doing that. Hey maybe look it's a it's it's He did the whole season this year. You know it's his first time now as late nationals. Maybe he's just missing some. You know getting looming last year to well not this track. No i meant i meant supercross. He missed supercar. Third season racing costs. You know but i'm just saying like when you're in your third year racing series. I know there was only a couple of first time but he raced outdoors last year. I don't think that he would be thrilled about how last races are going. I think he thinks he should be doing much better than that. he's surely does. I wonder now you know he was so good at the first race. So are we looking at a little. Bit of. The imbalance of justin. Cooper resented supercross title. Fight jet was not that gives it an edge and focusing on outdoors for a few weeks and now it's even doubt it because of that cooper's getting better kubrick earlier to getting better i personally well. Yeah okay i don't. I'm not gonna argue that. But i personally think it's more if you continue to put yourself in negative situations and when i'm when i'm say negative i mean plus or negative right. Plus situation means a top three. Start where your are doing well go up exponentially or you just herself in a negative situation percentage wise where you're starting tenth or worse that's going to have an effect over the course of the season it's going to slowly catch up unless you're able to just put through the field like if you can just you know a race that deficit and the first laugher too no problem but he's not able to do that lately and to me. That's the biggest problem is. If you're gonna start you're going to get about start. You better make quick moves. Because if you don't you're going to look up on the third lap you're gonna be ten and that's a big problem. Yeah jamar takes the win. We think. I asked you guys last week on the podcast out of the last six races. How many does a win. We said three. I think we all say three. I said maybe one more. So i'm already in trouble. Jay got five moto wins. The next guy's got three and yeah man. I mean these are all coming up. I mean they're all good tracks for jamar right but he said what she goes never been his his favorite. But so it didn't take you in west shoe and truthfully he got a little bit of a break for sure but What do you mean he. He was winning that sakamoto. Yeah but just overall overall so you know what i mean so this. Rj got second the personal racism so anyways j. j. mart wins the majority of races going out in the motives. I mean i guess. That's that's a statement which to statements. Like hey you guys. You guys got lucky. Yeah i think so because because again going back to this jet conversation like you know at the first round jet dig it about starting the i mode of the year and still almost one and any yard. Everybody modo too. So but that limited amount of data. You're like i don't know maybe justice best guy. Even jamar was here but jane had. We'll have a very solid case. If this keeps up that he'll be like y'all got lucky that i missed two races with injury and whole thing for me to just go get fixed man like just go get go get fixed. Don't hurt. i didn't realize you'd be able to still win. You know. I was thinking i was going to settle for fourth and fifth and whatever but yeah i mean you know he's gotta get a surgery the end of the year. He said that on the show. And i heard that from other people too that may or may not be related to him. He has to get surgery the end of the year. So yeah we'll see what happens. But he had an entering take talked to a bit at millville about that and his take his. You know he's like yeah. I can do what everybody else does. Which is just get a six. And i'll be back ready for next year and he's like i've seen too many top like look at supercross this year. He made it through the first turn in his series ruin. He's like the idea that i'll get everything good and then next year we'll be fine. He's like you cannot count on that so if there's a race you can go in just race. He's always knows about next dealership the back up south. You know gosh brown. I hate to give wilpon credit. I really had to give hong credit but he has been working with pierce and pierce has been better So yes you don't screw on. Pierce brown's outdoors results have been better Moseman was good. Pierce was good job for the guys in the gas gas hundred lawrence. Just a second moto. That was weird and he just couldn't couldn't move forward you know just just didn't have it both it fall at one point. We do those first moment right. I assure both both lawrence brothers were talking before we before you got there about how. They didn't know where they were going. Early on. and jet launched a downhill in practice and forgot about the turn at the bottom. He launched the the of the top of the hill. Yeah we were talking about this In the morning. And i thought it was a pretty significant thing That this was one of the only tracks hadn't really ridden. It's it's really challenging to be on the pace of guys at britain tracking a bunch of times with the amount of practice or the lack of the amount of practice. I should say that these guys get it. It's a big challenge. Because i think in the first moto. These guys are still sorting it out. But they're still like oh wait. There's a line there. And i can go if i go inside. Here's a little faster because you just don't get that opportunity to do that. Time call find good. You have to put down fast laps really quickly. There isn't a lot of learning the track. You don't get that option for the guys hundred lawrence seventh dylan schwartz eighth army good second moto for schwartz. Yeah that was good. Is he gonna get picked up by somebody. I hate to be that guy. He deserves desserts. And i hate to say this but said that he deserves to be on a factory by consumers can do. i just. don't think that suzuki. But okay on par like oppressor kelly or factory honda. Thank you right. But his supercross didn't go well. It did not so if you're a manager. Are you like ken. This kid right supercars. Well i think it's worth a shot I think he's proven that he can ride at least and you could always chalk it up to. Maybe that wasn't very good supercross. Either because i would challenge you to find suzuki. That did well in supercross. Shoop two thousand nine was killing. And as departs but schwartz shape to man. That guy charges hard. Could you offer schwartz in the team. I was i was kind of wondering if that bike being a little down on tower navy was the difference because that track doesn't really reward torque and horsepower. It's really more about getting the power to the ground and and reduce wheelspin. So maybe he was the the edge that he's been facing wasn't a gated a little bit. We need to find more out of. We need to do some digging. Which because like i didn't think troll trained by looked slow at all i thought. Look fine. the fastest back in the class. But i thought the jj tr-train bike was pretty good. Arms got revamped their one of the years that he was there. And i would be surprised if if dylan another that same engine package. Because i don't think so. I think it's i think it's twisted to development isn't it is it is it is twist. Yeah i've i've talked to like lb. There larry brooks team manager. Yes the larry brooks team manager for. That kind of weird that brooks is around and he's just sort of quiet. Yeah yeah you just see guys set up a ten. On friday afternoon. Larry brooks for the barak suzuki to fifty yep Anyway i remember talking to him earlier in the year. And he's like yeah. This is you know we're learning. We're developing and i'm thinking like we'll jj over saying the same things like four years ago so you ended up starting from scratch again. But i guess. Is that the different team when we say it's not a factory team. I think we hear about barks. Hep are not getting stuff from japan. They're not getting works parts. So maybe it's just a totally different situation. I guess and nothing carries over. Can make go to bobby reagan and go in ricky shed and grab all the works parts out of there still fit. Hey four fallen a second moto. He must have because he was behind. Rj then he was gone and he was tenth he must have must have and it was. I was like oh this is going to be something. Maybe qualified with them qualified wealth and he was hanging with those guys. He was right there with that group. Yeah bummer get past though. He went back to eighth and then got past for night and they got passwords. Okay okay got ninth interesting. Yeah but he well when Out somebody went out cooper. Don't know cooper finish out of somebody went out that was it thanks march maybe fifteen volts content carson for jt eleven. Let's get really good. I like ten minutes I i think he's still got aways to go. Stay up there. But as the beginning with super good we each mumford thought it was a great Or we get on a divan and this little deeper. Tell me you guys tell me. This is one. This is one of the things. Where steve's put something on someone else. And i love when someone else is doing that tuesday because it did i tell carson to tell me that. He was thinking of jt while he was leading tonight. And i put those words motivate equal. Bro i did i. Those words in carson's mouth. No he heard what you had to say honestly probably what he heard what you said. He took it as a sign of disrespect and he wanted to show you wrong. I was that my. I'm not trying to well. It's because you play these things up like you tweet me in the first lack of the moto. That's how it's your. I don't carson doesn't see that that doesn't do ya has no effect right. It has no right okay. Well i mean do you feel like are you hire on his performance than super impressed. I was super impressed. I would love for him to to stay there. I mean that's obviously the next step is to stay up there but yeah i mean that was. That was a great improvement. It's awesome it for him. All right we're going to davy millsaps was he. There was most upset. He march banks twelfth again. Fall late. sh motor pull accounts are as we know the first moto and shit and the first and then he was passing guys like getting lap and then passing them back. And i don't really know the etiquette behind that. I guess whatever if they're holding you up go buy them but yes i think it. I think it sets you up for the second motor right. You need to find the pace. You'll go see how the traffic is obviously paid off to the second motoryacht v Yeah yep so there. Kelly was good again. We each nothing. Good job for dr kelly. Yeah and i work with him on fantasy as well. He's been really good. Impressive yup nichols crash late in moto to hurt his shoulder her he his shoulder's all like muddy. No i don't know if that's what hurt. But joe lancaster at the end of the day and he said they dropped some new dirt on it from a pond over there somewhere they put some dirt on what shoe goal and then he said unfortunately one of the spots were nicholas crashed like it was kind of pushed up there and it turned into a dirt claude and he said nichols he he was like looking at that spot going like Like someone's gonna hit that. And he said nichols did it. So he thought it was. Maybe it wasn't something done on purpose or anything like that. Just a cause of new dirt being dropped on the track fry one eighteen thirteen. Okay okay movement on doing good doing where do you think. Fry up next year barracks jeeze. I don't know. I don't know what are you going to do if you're jerrod fry when you're on the best bike in the class acknowledged by everybody just about except for mitch. Peyton what are you going to do. So it's hard to bounce back from that. Yes yup Friday this does it make sense. He's worse than he was last year. Right yeah yes is significantly tougher than it was last year though we need to sure. That's mentioned it. The end of last year the class was completely depleted. I guess you're saying injury on like horrendous left. No no i'm saying there was just people out over. Just 'cause when those guys came in it was after red is so. I see yeah children gritty performance by charles tough sakamoto. I had him on. Fancy team I motive was good. He was battle a battle. Derek kelly like the entire moto. And then i honestly i'll i'll be fair and say i. I thought he should be moving more in the second moto but at the same time he can't be anywhere near a hundred percent little troll arm plated. Lucky to be out there. Fifteen nineteen on the day patrol train all right and the all wise jinx wall crash. I turn like jt. Said i think he's fine though kinda hit his head. But that's a blow for him for sure. Ross what's the what's the points situation. What's the lead. It is eight only eight okay. Yep shelters stank dog on his home track for his fans twentieth staying at a point. Yep stank dude. Thanks like been around that area all year. He's been like just a solid. Just bet everything on them. Solid distant guy. Your thank you for reals real. Yeah you're right absolutely have been. Let's look thirty thirty one. Twenty five twenty nine thirty twenty four those results. Yeah it's been twenty three thirty guy every single rates south rock-solid absolutely. Oh by the way we didn't entomology second overall. I think we skipped over totally. But oh yeah slippery track on the circuit. I've got this tweet. And rj doesn't isn't called crash at all gets perfect traction all day which i thought that was pretty funny but he said he was riding with a wrist injury or a thumb injury so should he crashed in practice at red bud. He thinks that's really the whole reason but they also said he was sick that day. That was the whole reason for these crashes. I don't know but he was. I didn't really see any huge mistakes or saves seem fine dmitri action. He was falling no and he did say okay. He said he hadn't been asked or told anybody about the nation's at all but he said he would do it right. Didn't you say that. Yeah thank you did all right. So we got sexton and rj. They want to do. We had one of the jokes of the day when we were leaving. Kayla russell's bike was just all by itself up by the truck. We we just like roger said. Get that thing out of here. I don't want that in here anymore. I'm getting heat from. Austria was sitting out there. And they're like we're taking the just truck straight to unitil right. Rogers like no bring it to california off that bike off kayla pork are well anything else on the fly racing. Racer x podcast. We're offer two weeks. We'll reach you. Have your hell week coming. Up and loretta is where you just announce for ten days straight. Best week and worst week. Here it's set. it's awesome as it is grueling. I know to you. It's one hundred percent bad. But i'm telling you it's one hundred percent bad one hundred percent i would go to. Loretta is for a coupla days. I really would. I would love. I heard the hotel situation is better than it used to be like. There's there's a town close by with with good hotels and yeah it's it's a broke down time right so i i would go for a couple of days. I i really would but it's hot. It's really hot last couple of years somehow haven't been bad but i mean that's just Is you're gonna get that you're able which you would be able to if you're able to go into the announcers tower where there's air conditioning and chill and mcgill. You're good you'd be fine to david. Hang on someone's truck or something you know got fans on their tents and the like it would be it. Yeah if you went for two or three days and you just hang out with mitch. And bruce from kelley shows up and who knows what expert every single experts still racing at the event. You know what i mean kiefer's normally they're like you'd had a great time. Evan ferries going to be there temp. Timmy's helping them get whole shots. Yup yup. I think that's really what we learned from. This podcast is that tim. Various still a massive influence in american motocross. It's really what we learned. Sexton was working with stew or is still working with do whatever it is over a year now but but regardless. What i'm saying is tim. Ferry is the difference maker not do. The only thing about tim berry is that he can't remember anything about his racing career. So it's really tough to get them on these things and talk about stuff like you'll never do was look back so does he just won't so what didn't even know one before love. I would love to get them on to tell a story about how he banned. Jt from property for a year. He may remember that one. But i would love to hear His not rushmore. Helga my god. Can you imagine what would it be. Who knows rick rick. Because he he you know he. He knows ricky for sure. Ricky beat him down for a long time but other than that. Where would you. Where would he go up before guys before them quite good. I think he could that legendary time. You asked him name two or ten to fifty east riders and he was struggling and then at the last minute he pulled the clutch move of brothers got two for unbelievably. came through. we did it. He didn't show. Brothers named ten to fifty supercross writers and he could barely do it and then he got the sewell brothers which are also very random right. Yes that's on brand-new for sure Great all right. Everybody all right thanks. Jt and we. That was the sugar. Wrap up thanks to the sponsors and thank you guys for listening. Thanks boys extra. Listening to the fly racing. Steve mathis show. Don't forget to check out. Some of our past shows including motocross legends. Such as boy johnson jock sitting over to the side. The tendons were jerk in weird places and big disappointment. Danny store because that he never said sorry. Danny nine france and we've never talked before the five hundred events. Dave and i fly to germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take back and off. We go and you know we're in nicosia. Cylinders is a factory park handful of years before anybody ever saw in production. Dave mcgill was all you know he did the big pancake thing and he's got the thing he's completely on the gas tank trying to miss his tree and he would have gotten excuse. Even harder jumped farther. Battery has been you know. Been there don. I love the guy. I don't this i think he's the greatest had that absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in switzerland or belgium forty five minutes on the same bike. You're not beating roger. You crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better. Nowadays than they were states there fool so different bikes. Different times. Beasts from the east damon bradshaw. It got to the point where. I didn't wanna leave home and once i got the raise i wasn't into it. I wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not gonna take the money. The working class hero. Doug henry definitely an emotional moment for me just thinking to myself. That's it you know. It's amazing the stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that was going to miss machine until you really open yours and you wanna listen to what they're saying like being dead horses and i know from personal experience. Anybody ever sit down. Of course it could. Everybody did go mitch. Page two ways to make the money one is you can sign or two. You can earn the money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. So in time. Jeremy mcgrath mad like so disappointed. So frustrating said. I'd pull and i left every point count. I could kick myself the day for. Not just around and pants been no problem in my ego. Gotten away the osho johnny could. He didn't even want to ride and you to to look at it all day. I got a chance to catch on that. I liked that era. I was in. I really do search popa. Maximum tune store to enjoy these and over. Eight hundred. great motorcross podcasts days.

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Woman Ochre Returns

Empty Frames

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Woman Ochre Returns

"On march. Eighteenth nineteen ninety the most Odyssey's art, heist of all time took place at the Isabel Stewart Gardner museum in Boston checkout season, one of empty frames for a twelve episode dive into the Gardner, heist this season, we will be exploring other art crimes, and significant moments in the art world before returning to the Abella Stewart Gardner museum, this is empty frames. Welcome to empty frames episode one of season two I'm him half of your hosting team. I sit here in the crawlspace studios in worm town, Massachusetts. What's up, Lance? How's it going today? It's going great. It's been a while where we're back in the saddle here. It feels good to be talking about fine art again. It does while we won't be talking specifically about the Abella Stewart argue museum is we will be exploring other other other significant moments in the art world and and, and the first one that we have today is such a good one. It really is. But let's back it up. I we ended season one abruptly, and we're aware of that. And we got a lot of questions. Why, why? Whereas episode thirteen I believe we promised that we were going to do thirteen episodes. We ended up only doing twelve kind of a long story, not exactly something that we're gonna share right now. Maybe at a at an another date. But just because we haven't delivered any podcast episodes since the summer and we sit here now in near the end of the year of two thousand eighteen just because we haven't delivered any episodes doesn't mean there wasn't anything going on Lance? Well, as we know when you do things like this, when you explore cold cases, and open cases, sometimes a bit reality comes into play in. We go bid reality, when we were talking about the isabela's Girardi museum, heist, and it does seem like these safer bet to end at twelve episode twelve and reassess the situation and what the what the more important and safe thing to do be -actly. Yeah, we were in that assessment phase and we still wanted to provide empty frames a series. So, so that's what we're doing. Now, there is some stuff going on in the background, though. Yeah. It really is amazing. If you don't do a podcast, you'd probably be shocked to know the amount of work that goes on. On behind the scenes, especially when you're not even in production with that podcast. So that's that was kind of a slap in the face to. So both of us, I'd say, maybe some cold water Jose slap in the face. Cold water thrown upon us. Yeah. Dose reality in the form of cold water forego form of cold water. So today, Lance for episode one of what we're kind of calling a bridge season. This is technically season two but we're only doing six episodes. Let's hope we don't stop at five, but, but we're doing six and right now, I think what we're doing is kind of veering away, a little bit from the Gardner, heist, where we're taking a broader look at art crime, and will with the Gardner, Heison mind, always in our minds. And we intend to get a little bit closer back towards the Gardner heist in our next season season three which will be longer than six episodes. So this episode Lance, we are talking about the stolen decoding painting, right? The woman. Okay. That is a painting that was done by the abstract expressionist artist will him Dakota. And for those of you who don't know it was stolen way back the anniversary of that. Deft is November twenty seventh and it was returned by three very genuine gentlemen. Yeah. So it was stolen in nineteen eighty five and the painting was made in nineteen fifty four and nineteen fifty five so it's not a terribly old painting. But the it had been stolen from the university of Arizona museum of art in Tucson, back in nineteen eighty five and it was stolen by very unassuming couple. And we talk a little bit about them during this interview coming up, Jerry and Rita alter who you wouldn't know by these pictures that you see of them out there now, you'd never know that these two people were responsible for such a significant art, heist allegedly responsible Lance, and they were. Both schoolteachers. And so they passed away in twenty twelve and twenty seventeen and they lived in cliff, New Mexico, very small town in New Mexico, and that is where today's story begins, because the fine gentlemen at man's Anita ridge, furniture and antiques of silver City, New Mexico purchased the estate that was for sale from the altars. And with that state came this very famous painting, which is something that they do. That's their job. They have this antiques, and furniture store, and we're talking about David van Oscar buck burns and Rick Johnson. They go to these estate sales, and they put a flat price on everything inside there. They bid on it, and I believe they bid on this one for two thousand dollars and they got the entire state, including this, this almost priceless woman, ochre by Kooning. Yeah. And one of the interesting things about the robbery. Lance is that the. The painting was cut out of the frame. So the frame actually hung in the museum on the walls empty, just like the Gardner museum for many years. And it was quite a moment when they matched up the you'll hear it in the interview when they matched up the cut from the what's left in the frame from the painting to the actual painting. And that's that was pretty much. What sealed the deal for them that this was the, the original that was stolen? Yeah. By all accounts, very emotional moment for everyone in the room. I got chills. I say I got chills when they were talking about it. So these this couple this man, and woman who stole the painting, they were in the museum for about fifteen minutes before, leaving a rust colored car, and it's, it's a pretty wild story if these are the real thieves, and, and it does seem like they are. But there's no definitive word, I guess, on that at this point other I mean you have the composite sketch that's pretty accurate. You have the painting in their home. So we, we can say allegedly but. It's pretty it's, it's kinda hard to imagine anyone else stole the painting at this point matches all of the, the descriptions that they match. But it was it is it is really anyone hasn't seen the picture, just Google their names, it, you'd never put their faces. I keep coming back to those because it, you'd never know who's a criminal, it just blows my mind. Yeah. There is a wonderful picture of Jerry and Rita alter just smiling, and about to drink some wine, and we talked about it a little bit in the interview, so you wanna check that one out. Okay. So thank you very much. We hope you enjoy this interview with David and buck. We'll be back in two weeks with more empty frames police follow us on Twitter at empty underscore frames. We're also on Instagram and Facebook empty. Welcome to empty frames. We are being joined by book burns and David von author. How are you guys today? Good. We're good. Like we said, we recall, we're awesome. So it's a little bit. Chilly in New Mexico. Is that what we're what we're hearing. Yes. Silver City, New Mexico, silver City New Mexico. And why is it that we are speaking to you, folks, this, probably something our listeners, like, what's going on with this who are these guys? Well, one we're awesome. Agreed. Obviously. To we found a painting. Oh. Lawn. Yes. Please do continue. So David you wanna go ahead. Well back in. Beginning of August two thousand seventeen Buckeye and our other business partner, Rick purchased an estate in a little town called cliff little town in the middle our population of probably two hundred. And when we went out there and started taking a look at stuff photographing and inventory. What we were purchasing. There was a painting hidden behind a bedroom door. And we kinda like it for ourselves. We were going to take it home with us. So we included in the purchase price of the furniture other things. Brought it into silver city took it off the truck and immediately customers started saying that they thought it was a, a real willing to Kooning painting. Okay. I just wanna take a step back. Real quick. What are you what brought you to this estate sale? What business do you run? We own a furniture store, and we deal, a decorative items deal in art and antiques, as well. And we received a phone call from the nephew of the owners of the home that had recently passed away, and he called us from Houston, Texas. And asked if we would go out and take a look in and purchase the contents of the home. Okay. And don't be shy. What's the name of your furniture store? We are engineered orig- furniture antiques. Very good very. And is that something that happens a lot? You guys purchase estate sale type yet. Yeah. We do it. We used to do it really regularly. Now we just do it here in there. We actually tried to refer this state to somebody else who was tied up. So we ended up taking it kind of grudgingly. So, so he called you the nephew of the altars called you is at something that normally happens, you get called about these estates or is that I find out about them yet, we get calls from family members or real estate agents, one of the chip. Yeah. Okay. And so, when you tried to turn this over was that during that phone call or you called some kind of colleague after that call. I actually called a colleague after the phone call. She. Really wasn't interested in it. And then when I called mister Roseman back, he just he said, he just didn't he didn't wanna have an estate sale or anything like that. He just wanted us to go and just take everything at it kind of intrigued me. Because he, he said the home was full of some really high end mid century, modern furniture which turned out to be not quite true. It was it was mid century. But it wasn't really high end. But, but that's what finally got me to do. It was, you know, I thought it was going to be some really, really good stuff. Okay. So we got the, the call that puts you at the estate, you're, you're going through all of the material and you see this painting. That's that's it's not so much. It's you could say it was hidden. It was behind a door in the bathroom, right? Like on the wall behind the door. There was actually hung behind the master bedroom door, gastric Pittsburgh. Gastric pittsburgh. Yes. Or so. If the if the door was open, you would never see the painting. Okay. That's interesting. And you saw it and your first impression of this was I actually I, I kind of accidentally we normally wouldn't have shut the door. But the way the furniture was positioned. There was a dresser that had a piece of it removed and setting so the bedroom door was touching it. So I had to move the close the bedroom door to to get that piece out. And so I was down on my knees. And I looked up I saw the painting and my instant first impression was it was a print and yeah. And then as I stood up. I could see the kind of waves in the canvas in the cracks in the paint. And that's when I realized that it was a real painting. And I kinda liked it. I didn't love it, but I kinda liked it. And buck was in the room across the hall inventory, that stuff in so I called him and said, come take a look at this, if you like it. And he said, yeah, I do. And so I said, okay. Great. We'll take it home, and that was it. You know, we didn't think anything more about it for the next day. Did you pay for it there or how does how does that work? We actually we inventoried everything we came home. Totaled. Totally estate out. I called Mr. Roseman with my offer, and he said, great. And we dropped check in the mail and went back out up stuff. Okay. So you bring it back to your furniture store, and you put it on display for the public to see for, for to, to sell it. I brought it in out of the truck, it was actually packed on top of some African spears and, and that kind of stuff that the room that I was actually Montoya was full of African art, Artan antiquities have us than soup eyebrow. The painting in leaned it up against one of the beams in the store, just to bring it in. Yeah. Just get out of the way, first customer through the door was a gentleman who had, I guess, all the, the woman series by declining in New York. I believe. So when he walked in, he recognized the style and said you down in front of the painting. I was at his shoulder, he went to scratch the painting in a scratch it a little bit. And he said, is this real? And I grabbed his wrist, and I said, if it is, I'd prefer. In our line of business. We get a lot of prints, and a lot of what I call touch prints. So that's actually what I thought it was. I never in my mind thought I would have an original. So he came in he did that. And he assured us that we needed to do a little bit more research on it. And I told him. Yeah. We will. We have a whole estate to move in, and we'll get to it. Yeah. We just blew it up. We really didn't take him serious. That's that's how it started. So at this point us you'd like you said, you didn't really take it that serious. It was not on your radar as something that you just recovered that had been stolen. Right. Those nothing that was giving you red flag about it. We had no idea what we have. And I think that's something that I would love to stress in this. When we even purchased the contents of the estate, we had no idea. Yeah. It was it was a little old lady in a little old man, you know in their in their eighties. Who would you know, we certainly wouldn't think they were international art Dev's of, in a small little town of two hundred in the middle of nowhere hanging, there, their prize treasure buying their bedroom to are gonna say, one of my one of my favorite things about the story aside, from the fact that we can laugh about it, because it's been returned is the pictures of Jerry and Rita alter. This picture of them, that is that's just been circulating the day before they. Before they did the heist. It's thanksgiving and they're getting and they like you. They just look so normal really happy. They look happy any at grandma's table. You know with the kids and the nieces and nephews. And yeah. I mean his shirt is buttoned all the way up. Yeah. Completely top. Yep. Yep. They haven't even drunk a sip yet. It's too much. It's too much you can't write this. Yeah. No, so, so what happened next few minutes later, another customer comes in. And she looks at it, and she said, I think this is real. And of course, we chuckled. And she said, you guys really need to research this, you know. And of course, we're still thinking. Yeah. Right as we hear this all the time with stuff. You know, we've done this for thirty so people are always telling us, we've found treasures while then over the course of the next few hours, the first gentleman came back several times and wanting to know if we've found out, yet, because he wanted to buy it, and I'd say, no, I haven't had a chance, he, he would say, well, look it up because I'm serious. I wanna buy it. I, I have people who will Ford may the money. I believe it's real. And he said it could be worth a couple hundred thousand or couple million. He said, but you really need to find out. And so now we're kind of in, but then when the third person came in and basically did the same thing she was very excited. She photograph the painting and said it, you know that she was going to go home and see what she could find out about that time. We thought maybe there might be something to this. And that's when bucked the painting and locked it in our bathroom, that's where I got the bathroom. I remember reading something about the yeah, I completed those details, you got silver city is it's pretty small, and we everybody knows everybody here. So the rumor mill immediately went rampant through town. So we had all these people coming in looking for this possible. Real, declining painting, the only door in our store that locks is the bathroom guy. So I wrapped in packing blanket and locked it in the bathroom just and then people have no idea what you're talking about. Oh, wow. Where in the bathroom like like under under the Sankar was that against the wall near the toilet right by the toilet? So. Yeah, because all of a sudden, if the entire town knows it. You may have this incredibly valuable piece of art. You're kind of a Mark at that point. Exactly. And mind you people understood that it was it could be potentially a real tuning at that point. And that it had some value to it. We didn't understand to what extent that was. And we still end. Of course, nobody still know that it was stolen right? So. Right. And we kept urge Rick and I kept our Jeanne David to do the research, but whenever we get an estate in at the store. We will typically park our vehicle out front, that is carrying the estate items, and that causes a stir in town, and everybody wants to come in to see what we have. So we have all these people coming in David's exceptionally busy. And I'm exceptionally busy as Rick. So at one point, I got to the computer and I typed in declining, and then hit images under Google search and the intent behind that was to have the images pop up when the computer went to sleep in the David woke back up again, it would be right in front of his face to remind. Yeah. Look good. Good move. Yeah. Yeah. Which is what happened. That's what happened. Okay. So you had the did you have this painting up there as, as the, the image? No. That wasn't so much later happening. We had a we had a little bit of a lull around lunchtime. And so it was only the three of us in the store, and then our friend, Cathy, as I sat down, and that, okay, well, I'll, I'll do a little research, and the other lady that was pushing us. She brought me back a list of different paintings in what they showed for, and she said, you need to look, up the depending society. Well, there is no declining society, what she meant was. We needed to look up the Kooning foundation. I started googling the Kooning society and since it wasn't there. I went four pages into Google looking. And that's when I came across. I saw a little header saying, you know, stolen paint mystery of stolen painting. Thirty years ago or something like that. And it said, Arezzo, which is where I'm from. So I, I just randomly clicked on it. And as soon as I clicked on it the image came up. I looked at it, and I thought, oh, this can't be, and so I called the front room and I called, Rick and Kathy and I come in here and Buchan and Kathy ended up coming in, and I said, this, the painting we have, and they both, both sure looks like it's a bucket into the bathroom got it and we brought it out. We put it on the desk, next to the computer and blew it up. And sure enough, it was the painting. We knew wasn't a copy. We knew it was it, it was it was it about it that you knew it wasn't a copier wasn't. Good replica someone had painted a replica, while the first give to me was in the in the an Reimann story in the Republic, they talked about the painting being rolled up when the painting was in the house. I noticed these creases in it, and I just assumed because the altars were world travellers that they had bought this painting. Maybe in Europe rolled up in a tube and Senate home. I, I thought was it was head rolled up. So that was the first clue. But then we blew up the picture of the internet and started comparing splatters and drips, and there just was no way that, that those could be faked. And so we were by the time we call the museum we were hundred percent sure that we, we had the real painting. Okay. So at that point, you guys probably like chitchatting pop bottles. Chris, sal. And honestly. No, it was more. Right. Oh, so, okay. So you guys do the right thing. So you call the museum. What the museum the first phone call should museum. And we had to took a minute or two to kinda get selves together because we didn't sound like idiots while the university of Arizona art museum actually. Yeah. Where the painting was stolen from. So we David sent to me, what do you, what do I do? And I said, we call the museum. And he says, how do I get that number? I said Google it. Gogel. So that's how it started out. And so we, we made the phone call and gotta a receptionist in, she asked, how she could help us, and I said, I think I have a piece of art that was stolen from you guys. And she said, what piece of art and I said, the Dakota sing and there was this silence. And then she said, hold, please put up old. And then the next thing you know, I was on the phone with the curator Olympia Miller, and, you know, and I kept saying to her, I, I don't wanna sound like a crazy person. But, you know, I have this hundred million dollar painting here in my store and a Libya started asking us to send her pictures. She didn't assume it was a prank. I think she what Cording to her. She said she took me seriously immediately. Okay, but they have gotten many, many phone calls over the years. Is that about this painting that weren't real? But she, she said, there just was something there was something in my voice that she, she just knew that, that this could very well be the real thing yet. We actually found out later that the when the receptionist I believe went into talk to Olympia before the call was transferred through her words, were, he doesn't sound crazy. Yes. The other words that and I love the visual of this happening was another line that was stated during the transition of David getting on the phone with Livia was the girl said, delivery ah is going to be a day that we remember for the rest of our lives and alleviate said, yeah. I think so. Wow. Yeah. So how did the return go down? Oh, god. This is some of this stuff. That's not been out in the media. We had. Yeah. We had to keep a lot of this quiet for over a year because of the FBI, but they they have now concluded the finish the case. So we're allowed to talk about a lot more stuff. Please does it doesn't involve here's where my mind's going. And I hope I hope I'm right. Does it involve like people who look like you guys going in different directions and decoys? And, and like cars tinted windows. Are good. Really all I can say what else I'll let David tell the stat part of the story. But all I could say was it is, not as easy as you think, to give back a painting worth over one hundred million dollars. Yes. Why is that? Well, I think what it was was nobody understood or nobody took seriously that we wanted nothing for it that we felt that this was stolen and it needed to go back to its owner. I still don't believe you. And everybody, I think everybody thought that we were going to pull the trigger at some point, or we were going to, you know, use something which we weren't. But that kind of caused some delays in some things, but, but wasn't it up happening was? Which boated museum we spoke to Libya, and then we probably exchanged pictures for about fifteen twenty minutes and tax. And then it went dead. It went silent. The last my last checks to Libya, she had asked for picture of the back of the painting. And I we texted back while there's masonite screwed to it. And so her final response was okay. Thank you, and then hours, went by with nothing. And I'm thinking you know if I was a museum that's just three hours away. And, you know, these people called with this hundred plus million dollar painting. I'd be in the car immediately. We weren't getting phone calls. The FBI wasn't calling us. The museum wasn't calling us. They weren't returning our calls. How long did that go on for a well come five o'clock our store closes, and we hadn't heard anything. So I'm like what in the hell do we do now? So we, you know, I didn't wanna leave the painting in the store because like you said, we're gets around, you know, somebody's gonna kick the door in. So we wrapped in a blanket, I took it home and I put it behind myself. I started making some phone calls. I, I called the reporter an Reimann got her voice mail left her a message that I read her article, and I think I have the painting and the museums, not calling me back in the FBI isn't calling me, you know, I don't know what to do. I didn't get a phone call back from her. I basically for the next few hours, just sat in my living room with the with the painting behind me sweating, and my mind started than playing games with me, the paranoia started a boy yet. Tell us where that took you. Nobody's calling me back. And so one of the one of the funny ones was I thought, you know, the only person I actually spoke to was this Olympia Miller person. And you know what if she's on the phone with her boyfriend? I know where the Kooning is nobody else knows let's go over to silver. Eighty in Jeff Galina me, you know. And. So that one went through my head, and, you know, all of this. So anyway, about about nine o'clock at night. I thought I reread the article and there was a little just a little sentence in there about the FBI's art theft team. So I got out the computer and I googled that look them up got on their website, and I thought, I'll give them a call. Well, there was no phone number on their website to call them all you could do is you could send him an Email, so I typed out this Email. You know, I've got this painting. And, you know, somebody needs to get a hold of me. I hit San and I thought I'll get a phone call within twenty minutes. Yeah. Nother yet another four or five hours go by now. It's about one o'clock in the morning. I'm not sleeping right? I have a gun on my lap, because I think some meth heads gonna kick my door and cut my throat. How does gonna kick my door in, you know, somebody's gonna kick my door doors, getting kicked in and all I'm hearing crickets? So I get a hold. I finally decided I'm just gonna call the one of the local branches. So I, I call the Albuquerque FBI and I get this guy who I actually interrupted him because he was not happy to talk to man. It was all. Yeah. Sure. Right. You know. And I'm trying to convince him that I have this painting so vitally. He transfers me and I think he transfers me to Washington and the guy get on that end for the first few minutes is kind of the same. So Finally, I told him and said, look, can you pull up a picture on your computer and he says? Yes. So I give him the link to the article, and he pulls it up. And I said see that painting there, and he said, yes, I said, I'm looking at that right now. It's in my living room and then he got kind of excited. So he took down all the information where we got it. You know, the address of the home, it came from where I am, who I am. And then he told us whatever you do, don't leave it at your home, and don't take it back to your store. So what do you bury it? The. Yeah. That was that was like. Okay, so about seven o'clock in the morning. I call our other partner to come down with truck after no sleep after no sleep. At all. And every noise that we heard just send us through the roof. So we threatened the back of the truck, and we drove around silver city looking for some place to put this painting and nobody everyone I called no one was home. I called my attorney. He was out for surgery. I called a friend of ours, who who used to own an art gallery couldn't get a hold of her. We called and call to call. Nobody was answering. So Finally, I drove it to another friend's house. They weren't home. But they live a few doors down from an acquaintance of ours shoes. Another attorney so I thought he'll know what to do. So we drove it to his house, and he came out, you know, with this Cup of coffee and his said, so yet, thank you out a painting handed in a copy of the article, and then I take the painting out in it's got the blanket around it. I opened up a flasher in on I just flashed in the painting. And he looks at it looks at the article, it's like okay. Bring it in. And so we took it into his office, and he put it. It in his conference room, and he tried calling the university. Nobody he'd call the president's office of the university. He called the museum nobody wanted to talk to it. So again, I'm thinking this is Josh really weird. Can't give this thing away at this point. Nobody nobody wants to talk to us about trying even while we were searching for a safe place to put it because I was lasting said, was don't take it to the local police station. Don't take it to your store. Find a safe place for it. So I immediately started thinking, let's take to our Bank. Let's have them lock it in the bulk, call, right. So which is what we ended up we ended up going to our Bank a little bit later that afternoon. But, but that morning still at the attorney's office. You know, his, his assistant is pulling up all this information off the internet, finding tons of stuff on this, this particular painting and the theft. And so finally, the F B I also told us to go back to the store and do business as usual. You know if people have. About it off. Just shoo, shoo away the guy who came back four or five times. That's exactly what he did come back. Surprise tell him that you sold it. For twenty bucks. That's right. A couple of hundred bucks. Well, he actually came in at one point. And he's he was talking to Rick and he said, did you find out about that painting yet? And this is before we knew any of this was the first day and one of the one of the comments, he said, was, I heard Rick say now we haven't looked it up yet. And so he said. Well, you know, I'm interested in buying it. And I heard that nice about just make an offer them. And he said, two hundred thousand I said soul because I figured he was full of my leg. But so the next day he did come in a few more times. But the the rest of that day we went to a Bank our Bank. They didn't want to take it at first, I didn't believe us, then then when he did they really didn't wanna take it finally agreed that if the university would sign. A waiver of responsibility that he would put it in the bolt until they get over here. So right about that time my phone rings and it's an intellectual properties attorney from Albuquerque wanna meet a higher him. And he starts telling me that we're not giving the painting back. And I was like. 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We don't have to give the painting back, because it hasn't been determined that it's the real thing yet, we will hire our own experts. And he said, I'm going to get you guys lots of money for this, and it just pissed me off. So I told him no we're giving the painting back, he basically called me stupid. You know, and said you don't understand. You don't understand you're being emotional. You don't understand you have certain rights to this. We just have to find out what those rights are, and he said, but no matter what I guarantee you the state of Arizona will gladly give you a million dollars just to keep this out of the court system. And I forget, what I called him, and I called him something hung up. Phone sounds like a parasite. He's I still have his number in my phone because I didn't catch his number. So I didn't lose it. I typed an ambulance chaser. Exactly what was so I, I went back to our acquaintance, the attorney. And he turns out, he was the one who called this guy. I told him that the Bank was willing to take the painting now. And he said, oh, no, no, no. I finally got a hold of the university, and they don't want us to move it. They want it left right here, and I thought, well, that's kind of odd. You know you don't have. Fire suppression system. You don't have a vault. I would think they would want it move. You know, a quarter of a mile to secure location. But okay, if that's university, says which turns out to not be true that he lied to me about that. Oh my God. That's when the lies started while so throughout the day, I didn't know what was going on with his conversation with university, but he was representing himself as our attorney to south zone on his own. Oh man. Just yeah. We never hired anyone know. So anyway, what finally happens is the ambulance chaser, from Albuquerque. Calls me three or four more times. I get so frustrated that I call Libya, the curator of the museum who is not returning my phone calls, and I left her voice mail where I was freaking out. And I told her look, I am being bombarded by people who want us to keep this painting from you. They want us to hold it for ransom. They don't want to turn it over to you. I'm telling you right now on a recording that we are giving this painting back, we want zero dollars for it. We don't. A reward. We don't want sci-fi. We just want to give it back. Please have the university's lawyers commie or call me back and I hung up the phone and within two minutes. She called me back. Now we didn't know what was going on their end. Of course, you know, they had a war room going on there. And we didn't know that they were being told much talk to us by the FBI. But when Olympia got that message she went in and she played it for them and they said, oh, yeah. You need to call him back. Why would the FBI say, don't like, of course, you're going to be going out of your mind? What's the strategy there? I think what it is. People didn't see some people still don't understand that. We just wanted to give back. Yeah. What was happening with the FBI, which we now know we've now heard both ends the main FBI agent, basically, what she said was when we made the first phone call was. Yeah. These guys wanna give it back now. But, you know after a few hours when they realize they've got a hundred million dollar painting. They may take off they may, you know, skip ship out of New Mexico. They may hide it. They may destroy it. You don't know. Yeah. You may just like like flash it to, to someone at the airport, and you just use take a private plane for free, right? So they're their recommendation, of course, was for the museum to have no contact with us until this final thing when I told him that lawyers were bombarding us, and they figured, maybe it was a good idea. But that's when they decided they were gonna come over that day there were getting ready to leave right then and, and then it got worse. Oh man. Oh, yeah. So I called the attorney and I said the museum is coming over to pick the painting up, and he said, well, I'm having my brother and sister in law over for a barbecue. You know as long as they don't mind that kind of thing. So I went home to quick shower. I drove to the attorneys house, and walk in on about fourteen people. And. It, it was interesting. He had me tell everybody the story. So I told him the story said the museums come in to pick it up. Well, then it got even weirder. I get a text from Libya, saying something about 'cause she's basically she's texting me where they are on their way over. And so I get this phone call from her saying, you know, the that the law enforcement is coming just to escort us. Right. And I said, yeah, fine with that said, okay. Because I understand that they're not welcome there. And I thought, what what and then then the next thing I get seconds later is, but calls me because I'm down the street at a friend's house, and he said, you need to get back here. The lawyer is saying that the he's not going to allow law enforcement onto his property, and I'm thinking okay as soon as I hang up with him. Phone rings again, in its third partner, Rick and he said, they're planning on keeping the painting and making the university, give them money. And so I immediately went back to the attorney's office. Walk into one of the one of the guests that was there from our local university. And he looked at me with his big smile and said, guess what? We're not giving the Pani back. We're going to get the university of Arizona gave us fifty thousand dollars towards a new art wing for our university here. And I looked at him. I said, who in the hell are we? And I said, that's my painting. I'm the legal owner of it now. And I'm running this rodeo, and I said where is he meaning the attorney? And so he said, he's in his office, so bucket, I went into his office, and I said, what is this? What is this, that I hear that you're not allowing the police here and law enforcement he civilized just don't feel comfortable with them coming and you need to rethink this. I don't think we should get the painting back. You need to think about it, and I said, no, we're giving it back and he just kept going on. So Finally, I stood up and I said, where is it? And he didn't answer me. So I walked to the conference room where it had been before, and the door was locked time to kick down a door. I looked at him. And I said, you've got about thirty seconds unlock the store, and I'm kick or I'm kicking it in. So he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Sit down sit down. We've gotta talk about this. So we sit back down, and he starts going giving me all of these reasons not to get the painting back. You know, and things like he would say, how are you gonna feel the museum takes his painting? And then they sell it for a hundred million dollars. How are you gonna feel then? The same way I feel now it wasn't art stolen. What does that matter? So he goes on for about another fifteen minutes. So said, okay, that's it. You need to answer me is a law enforcement welcome here or not. He said, no. And I said, okay, give me my painting. And he said, no, so I walked towards the right said, okay, I'm kicking the door in and we got right to the point of me actually getting my foot up to kick the door in before he finally agreed job in the door. And I said, I'm taking the painting and we'll, we'll take it across the street to a friend's real estate office, and we'll just cut you out of this whole thing. And so he said, no, no, no. I'll go ahead and let the law enforcement come. So after a few more words being exchanged, I finally said him, okay. You sit your ass here in your chair, when the museum gets here, I'll bring them into talk to you, and I'll introduce you and write about. Almost exactly when that sentence ended they showed up the, the museum little did. I know that we were being listened to by the FBI. Wow. Yes. How did that happen? They bugged up what we didn't know it. But the FBI had been in town all day and his place was surrounded. There were five cars five SUV's around his office, and they had been there for hours. They were either listening in through our phones, or they had, you know, I like to picture one of those big bubble you know, but, but when we've heard the whole story now they said, they ended up telling us that it was this argument that I was having with lawyer. And when I was screaming at him and telling him that, you know, the paintings going back pain is going back, that's when they called the museum people who had been in silver city for about an hour, driving around and said. Are on your side. You guys can go pick up the painting now. So that's why they right at the end. Wow. I've never been more jealous of the story. A little bit more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. That is an amazing story. I have I have several questions. So what how did it? How did it go down with the, the museum comes in, and what was the reaction when they first saw the painting? For the first time. The party was still going on. So when the museum arrived, and we were told it to museum was there, David, and I went to the front door and walked out, and I immediately walked up to Nathan Sexton who had come with Livia and I opened my arms, and I gave him a big hug, 'cause I wanted them to know that they were very welcome. And he just kind of looked at me. Very strangely. I said, do you wanna see her? And he said, oh, yeah. And I turned to Libya, I gave you a big hug, and we walk them in, and they came in walks through the party. It was very awkward because all these people's eyes were on them. And we let Olympia, I to the door of the conference room in she walked in and the painting was leaning up on the floor and Olympia, walk to the front of it. Nathan was immediately behind her. And I walked around the conference table with my video by video camera, recording her reaction, and Lydia fell to the floor underneath. And she started the painting for a second. And the only way, I can describe it was there was this moment that she looked up looked right into my camera and she was weeping, but it wasn't like just single tears like water was running out of her eyes, and she looked at me. And she said holy ethin- balls. That's why can't Rex lead her. Is that what you're gonna say or something that matter, she says, not my official statement? And we all last that broke some of the seriousness of the what was happening at this point, all the museum staff, had come in law enforcement was out the door and the party all the members of the party were watching recording quite honestly, we were all at that point, just, I know I was crying, because an emotional moment, it was, it was very, very careful. The room was electric. So we sat in there with Libya, and Nathan just staring at the painting and pointing at little things, and, you know, they weren't able at that time to say, yes, this is it officially. Yeah. So, yeah, so that that's how it ended it. Continued hours more one of the things that we, we didn't know is for all of these for the thirty two years at the painting was missing. I'm sure your listeners probably know the painting was actually cut from the frame during open hours of the museum. Yes. Both for the last thirty two years, the museum has kept the frame, and the remnants of the painting, that, that it was cut from while they brought that to silver city with them. And so we didn't know that. So they brought it in. It was all crated like it was a piece of art, and they, they brought it in, they opened it up and they put it on a conference table. And then they asked everyone to leave the room and all of the guests at the party. And so everyone started walking out including buck and myself. And they said, no, no, no. You to stay. And so we got to say they shut the door and then they took the painting itself and lined it up with the remnants that were in the frame and matched everything up. So we got to be there to watch the matching up, you know, all the cut marks and the paint splatters, and it was really cool. So that's, that's what she said. I'm telling you, this, this is it. I'm one hundred percent. Sure, but, you know, I can't officially state that, right? But, but you side kind of fit together like a puzzle piece. Yes fit together when the Libya had asked me during this elections because they put the painting and frame close together. And she said, what's going to your mind buck? And I said, I'm a little overwhelmed because this is the first time in thirty two years that this painting has been so close to its frame, and I was more. I had more emotions involved in that aspect that they would bring that frame because to me that frame was more valuable than than the painting itself because of what it stood for hanging in the museum, you know, with this, this huge horrible acts that happened to, you know, cut with a razor blade or a knife. And the frame, just hanging there empty with a little story saying, if you have any information, please, contact yet, the I or what have you so that to me was a more powerful moment that, that they brought that frame off the wall packed in a crate it to New Mexico and laid it out in front of us. Just rushed to look at it was a power ills pretty cool chills. It's incredible. It's cool. It's fantastic. Okay. My first my main question after hearing this story is why the conviction on giving the painting back. Oh, gosh. Well. I know for me. What I told the attorney that night after David had his battle with them. He said buck you don't understand, you know, the the size of this. He's saying you're what I had likened to was several months before this estate happened. I was walking out of WalMart, and I, guess I dropped my wallet and it had probably sixty bucks in cash it and. I got a Facebook message from a complete stranger and said, hey, have your wallet and they returned my wallet with all its money never asked for anything. But that's the kind of energy that surrounds our lives. It it's like the way the way we were all raise. What is the difference if it's a hundred dollar item or one hundred million dollar item? The only difference is the, the amount of the money and, you know, nothing else changes just the amount of the money and we're not money motivated. I mean we, we would love to have money but, but, you know, it's not the most important thing to us. And, and what's right is right. And on top of that. I'll tell you this, if you ever ever get a chance to write such a wrong in the world as this, it's worth millions. It really is. You know. So it just was it just just was it was the right thing to do. And, and. And we've had so much joy has come from this. It's like an emotional currency. Yeah. It it, you know, we still you'll catch us every once in a while. We'll, we'll talk about it will get choked up as well, the museum people because we, we've had several events with them where we're all of us have gotten up on stage kind of told both of our stories at the same time both sides and inevitably somebody ends up choked up, still because it is, it's such an emotional thing. It's such a powerful thing. And, you know, we've gotten phone calls from all over the world. People just calling just saying, thank you. That's just saying, you know, that kind of thing, so, you know, but we just it just was the right thing to do cut and dry. It just was the right thing to do it reminds me of the time that I lost my wallet outside of WalMart, and it was returned and no one touched one hundred million dollars that I kept in my wallet. Still there. That was. Actually, I just had that back without ever telling you. Oh, nice of you, can you give me some of that. We've had multiple hundred million dollar paintings that had been stolen from us return to us. For you guys. So is it fair to say that, if you never lost your wall at that day in WalMart, and never had returned like that would would potentially a different outcome have crossed your mind here, or it was just we probably would have got such the black market painting? In south France by now. No. Dipping wine, the brandy. Right. Smile lining your. It's the butterfly effect. No, we I think we're like that in every aspect where here in our community where all about community. I we try to help where we can how we can. It has nothing to do with the reward you're gonna get back out of it has everything to do with. I have this little saying that I tell my friends all the time and that's make a stranger smile. And that's just a powerful thing in of itself. So this was just a this was cool that it was such a globally event because it really was I'm honored to be part of it. 'cause it's, it's huge. It's phenomenal. You know, it, it really is incredible that the three of you so quickly decided to give it back with no money and you have no regrets that you did. That was it wasn't even a conversation between the three of you. Or was it just an unsaid decision that we're obviously going to give it back because the three of you sound you sound very genuine. You sound like super cool guys would love to hang out with you and found it feels to me like you guys sought, and you're like, okay, there's no other option here. Yeah. It was it was definitely unsaid. It was it was an unspoken thing. We just we. We all know each other. So. Oh, well, we know how each other we all in the business we all we all have our areas in the business. But, but we all know each other so well, it, it really didn't even need to be discussed after the phone call was made. We all were like we all took a sigh and we're like okay here goes and but not we, we, we didn't have to discuss it at all. We just knew. This is a this is great. This is like an empty frames Christmas, Carol or something. It really is like it's inspiring. You know, I hope I hope, you know, people who have stolen art work are listening, other pieces don't work. And that was another thing, you know, we had we had, we've had friends come in, and with their children, and I want you to tell our kids this story because I, I want, I want them to hear this from you. I want you to be an example. I'm in that kind of thing that, that is just so touching to me gash what can you say, when when you know, you're you get to be an example to somebody? I think that's pretty cool. And, you know, to my nieces and nephews, and my other family members and, you know, and we did get some pretty cool stuff from them. We got recognized by the state of New Mexico and the state of Zona. So we're written into both states histories the microbrewery in Tucson office all the beer we want. That's incredible. No, that's, that's fabulous. We've had you know. You know, for our little town here in silver city, what's been fun is, is this story has brought a lot of business to downtown, which is a lot of fun from people that are from all over the world coming to see where the painting was that's kind of interesting like one of the business owners here came by and she gave us gift certificates to harass toront-, just to say, thank you. It's, it's still small things that, that, that means that means on that quite a million dollars. You know, the words. No, that means everything to us it really does here, here's a weird question. Right. So now if you decided to keep it or or whatever. Right, hypothetical. Yeah a little hypothetical game here. Like, how would you have gone out and tried to liquid is this? You know, I feel like we we talk about this as a problem. It's like, oh, oh, the, the FBI assumed, you're just going to hop a plane to Mexico with the currency of this painting that doesn't make any sense. So like you have to liquid is it. I do you have any thoughts on how you would do that? I don't because that's honestly that has never been thought in my mind. I thought about, you know what? What would it have been like to have that kind of money like when the lottery was ridiculous? And I was out there buying five dollars worth of tickets just on the chance to win and saying, hey God, I just gave away this. Pain in. Serve only a bone here you deserve. I think I think my thing would have been. I'm sure we probably could have tucked away, rob ably. I don't know that many shady people, but I'm sure I probably could've, you know, come up with something. But, you know, then you spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder, every time it car slows down. You're wondering if it's the cop should know or or even worse if it's the IRS. So. That blows my mind because you have this incredibly unassuming and for what we understand to be not career criminals, Jerry. And Rita alter right? They took this thing and on some level, you have to give them credit just for the brazenness of it, and -absolutely. Yeah. And then they just hung it and looked at it like they weren't trying to liquidate it they kept it private say, say, like we don't know one hundred percent but if it looks like a duck and smells like a duck quacking duck you hold saying. But but, you know, and that's just it is, is I've what's great about grant county in silver sitting in Mexico, all your listeners should come visit. It's brilliant ads is there's the plug frontal community and come to my store man's need rich. But what I loved about it was we're such a small tight knit community. I immediately got a lot of people who are caregivers for the altars while she was sick before she passed who came to tell me some pretty fun stories about, you know, how how they were in the house, and because I was wondered if they did still it, and they had it in the house knowingly. How did they live with that? You know. So I wonder I have these great little stories in my head for like, writing a movie script of, like, what was it like, you know, for them to, to take a painting in hanging in their house for all these years knowing that it was worth one hundred million plus dollars. I. I don't to me it's mind boggling. Why now, you know. Again, we can talk about stuff that, that we haven't been allowed to talk about. And a lot of it is starting to make it to the media now. But one of them is the last few months of rita's life. I think her mind was starting to go, and she started telling stories to the caregivers about painting most of them had never seen it before. Because it the door was always open, and it was hidden. And at the very end. I think she might have known that, you know, that she was dying, but at the very end I know one of the caregivers the first time she saw the painting, which was just a few months before he died. She said, oh, man. That is one ugly painting and read, it looked at her and said, if you had any idea of the value of that painting, you wouldn't think it was so ugly. And then, and then another caregiver said that she told her the story that she said see that painting there that painting was my husband's and the school, she didn't say what school she said the school had it and wouldn't give it back to him. So one day, I sent my husband and my son to school, and they took the painting back and so, so I think I think they, you know, they. Eight new. I mean, I think they were involved for sure. So how do you now approach the state sales? Do you take it all Lance? Yeah. Do you are? You just like everything. Just we'll take everything. Yeah, pretty much, but we also like people come in, and they'll joke and said, you have any more of those paintings down and the overall consensus, I think, with three of us in the store is we don't want another one. Well, we don't want another stolen. We don't another stolen when I will take another Kooning. I would love to buy a locker full of fifteen decoding said, right? We can give you a list of thirteen stolen pieces of art and property from the Isabel Stewart Gardner museum, if you could just rise appealed for that and know if they show. We are junior. Detectives now the FBI gave us little badges. And FBI mugs and FBI drinking so jealousy is out of control. What about the key to the city? Yeah. And we didn't get a makeshift key to the city from silver city. They did that. Yeah. It's just been intervention for, I think all of us in. Yeah. Hopefully, we'll end up finding that locker full of priceless paintings and that'd be great believable. I'm so jealous timid I always talk about how we deserve the keys to cities and we ask for him and no one gives us keys these keys. And we asked law enforcement to deputise us, and they actually made a joke, and we'll sit they said, we'll send you some junior deputy stickers, like, no, we want a badge. Crosby's mug. I wanted an FBI mug. We got these little real. I mean their actual metal. They're not plastic these inch inch tall junior, FBI badges and our mugs and our hats and our drinking glass. It's like a sippy Cup. So the anniversary of the of the theft is coming up. You folks have anything planned for that. Well, we're heading a big thanksgiving. I think some of the museum staff is coming. They were all invited, but most headlands already, we actually may have a celebrity guest, who we who met while just tell you, well, you don't have to beat around the Bush, we'll come celebrity guests. What are the perks that happen? One day, I was in the store and this woman walks in, and she is dressed really kind of southern California rodeo drive kind of looking which, which is unusual in silver city. And it turns out that it's the Erin Brockovich. Okay. Wow. What the actual lawyer or Julia Roberts now the, the actual the actual actual. That's cooler that Julia Roberts. I think so too. So turns out her sister, lives here in silver city. And she wanted to come in meet us talk to us about the painting. So anyway, her sister, and brother-in-law our friends of ours. We didn't know that Julia or that Erin Brockovich was her sister, though. Soda with others pretty cool. So we've invited them for thanksgiving and she said she asked if Aaron could come to thanksgiving, so we may have Erin Brockovich or or the anniversary of the thing. But we do have there's a, a student movie student film crew, that's coming up for thanksgiving. They're gonna film us having thanksgiving and talked to some about the painting on the anniversary of, and we may have some of the some of the museum, people might be we just we just don't know yet, for sure. But if they're watching, and they hear that Erin Brockovich is coming. They may change their plan to join us. Can you please during thanksgiving? Please pose like Jerry and Rita posed in that picture. Absolutely got a grace for you. We gotta get buck a wig. For, for the anniversary of the return of the painting, the university of Arizona, actually the museum rather than celebrating it at the university wanted to give some love back to silver city. So they came all the way here with some members of the foundation to have a big party. So we hosted the party at our house in one of our was our state Representative Rebecca Dow, and as a host gift, she brought me and I thought it was the most clever thing in the world that pitcher that you were holding up a little bit ago of Jerry Rita. She she presented me with this box. I'm also an actor and I work out of Albuquerque. And what have you. But yeah. So that pitcher you're holding there. She brought me that wardrobe. Yep. I'm bald. So she, she said, you have to work on the web yourself, but you're ready to play the role of Jerry alter in the in the making of this film. So any screenwriters out there contact us. It's incredible. That's incredible. Have you been? Have you been approached about the rights or anything? No, no, no. We haven't, we've had a couple people talk to about it. There's, there's a, a woman in New York, that's writing a book, and she threw out and spent a week out here talking to us. But there's been. Kind of distant rumbles of somebody wanting to do you know some kind of movie or screenplay or you know, or something. But nothing really concrete telling you Julia Roberts could play Rita. That's, that's what we said. You know, it's man's Anita rich furniture and antiques. And that is in silver city. Beautiful silver City New Mexico.

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The Adventures of a Bike Racer with Roland Sands

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1:15:00 hr | 1 year ago

The Adventures of a Bike Racer with Roland Sands

"Grant and everybody and welcome to another episode of keep bleeding. Thanks again for tuning. In this week I've sat down with my friend in customer so builder Roland Sands Nominal Rolan for about a decade or so but I still got to hear some stories that I'd never heard before so that was pretty cool for me. We talk about his racing career winning the Ama to fifty GP national championship flat track Racing What it's like becoming. Who had I think the designer of the coolest motorcycle jackets out there? The events he's been putting on super who'll gain in the motorcade classic we discussed ego and how it can drive you to success but also make collaborations super hard a broken back story. That just doesn't seem possible. It involves getting arrested and being thrown in jail somehow and as always we talk about the mindset of what it takes to move path and Ford through those setbacks so here we go this. Is Your life ever helped you out or something extremely kind. Have you been recognized with humans are in your life? Want us a message of thanks wall. Supporting a great. 'cause there's a growing movement of people spreading kindness making a positive impact. Julia my buddies over the kind humans movement right now by going to kind humans dot Com. Celebrate the human in your life and hope raise a million dollars for some great causes kind human celebrated humanity by cultivating a community of kindness promoting conscious consumption in always giving back right now. They're building a marketplace. For sustainable socially responsible products we can make our world a kinder place to our day to day purchases and actions. Go check him out kind. Humans DOT COM. Pick up some kindness and pass it on. How long have you been? How long have you been building? Bikes is it. I gue- bill was a bicycle and I was like one of those five years old and so that was literally taken apart team is when I have time relate team. Bmx Bike Patriot put. I put yellow astronauts on am I did a rainbow paint job like a full like rainbow fade paint job top to bottom yellow bags and that was like the star custom career. Is there any your debt? Your Dad he made like aftermarket Harley stuff I v twins and things like that. I guess I'm assuming growing up in that house. You just the idea of like fixing or fixing up. Retreating was probably pretty normal. Yeah for sure I got. I grew up around like crazy stuff like up around dragsters and you know like Bob. Bob Corral bills the jet bike so it was like a jet powered dragster and he also had woke he also had. It was called the kite cycle. And I think it was CR five hundred with a kite connected to do jump this thing and jump like a very long way like a like a dirt bike with wings what are they like a hang glider tested. Yeah basically like basically like you shut looking to pull in the seat of dirt bike with a hang glider choke. Do you think he far times as you would. Yeah but I mean like I remember seeing these bikes in the shop. My Dad used to do some movie bikes to you. He did on Nighthawk. No Way Yeah. That's amazing he built the nine ought to really rolling country full nighthawks which was the original worse meal and the thirteen inch full floating voters. Pm Breaks things when you drive seen that that was that thought being that I was going to build stuff over you like. I'm going to be a writer I wanted to race. You wonder if Drake's yet a lot of a lot more that yeah no. I mean I grew up I grew up going to race allegra going to like a drag boat races or drag. I'll go to HR events on. I go to a flat track events. You know camel camouflage trek series back then. I go to superbike races. We will go see grocery races at Laguna Seca. I grew up around all types and forms of racing and I probably grew up thinking they got wanted to ride in race motocross on. But I wasn't really are really close to any motocross tracks on Hannibal's Chiro Mining Johny Mera and Rick Johnson. Jeff Stanton all those guys on but then I ended up. I think going down the road race out. That's where I ended up wanting to go more than anything else. And you were like your professional racer. You want the two fifty. Am Championships. Are Amy? Okay I don't know enough about it. Longtime Nineteen Ninety eight to two fifty wrong pre-championship which was like motive to today. How many years you do that. Temps tenure what stopped it. Other than what I've heard is that you've been disqualified for being so sketchy on the track. I actually did. I did a written reprimand in I got. I got banned from writing for three months because I crashed three times in one week. End Out at willow and I ended up a SUPERNOVA. People craft on those nights right. It's normal weekends Marquez. The current world championship world champion. He's fresh three times again so I it's not all over. The crash may be for a rookie. Depress Trans one begins might be a little radical but I was just pushing you know like I was. I was indestructible. When I was younger I could just do whatever I mean I could huck myself and I would be okay so in my mind. I'm like will if I can get away with crashing and not destroy my bike to the point where. I can't ride him anymore. Who Cares it by crash heard anybody else not heard anybody else not cuss anybody else? Would crash on the Mike Back Together. Smashed together back on the racetrack. Did you ever have any serious injuries on the crisis? Yeah yeah well definitely broken bones but that was kind of normal beat him break your neck your bat or anything else that you broke your back at his ass crushed. What Chris my t six or will I mean? I still have a compressed six but this is part of life now take to heal from never heals really right. I mean I don't know I felt before you felt like okay. I can start doing things. Well you crushing Vertebrae. And it's not like it. Goes BACK TO NORMAL VERTEBRAE EVER. Adjust kind of crushed. My need is like what was the healing time before. You're like okay. Get back on the bike route. Couple three months like it was the end of the season so I just didn't race anymore at six months. It's so funny because this fog as a lot of people who deal injuries and I love it. My neighbor would broke his back. It would have been a story to tell his whole life and would have been something that altered every decision. He made a forever. Billy's I broke my back. And then you know. His kids would have told stories. Wife would opposable rolling. Bros back and don't you know when you don't ride motorcycle? Yeah we been talking to people who are just. This is what they do. Like brocade was the end of the season. So is fine yet and you think about it anymore. I had the story that goes along with. You have been story though I. Yeah the broken back thing I I did. It wrote America. Which is an amazing track. Super Track in Wisconsin on Sheboygan Wisconsin. It's been there boy in And so that night. I broke my back in morning. Practice on my to fifty in the rain and the wet land gravel pit in the gravel pits at road. America have like big waves in the cars. Okay so I. High cited up to fifty landed neck by on the side of the coli onto the halvard still in road into the grabbed eighty miles an hour and when he hit the gravel. Pit Me and the Bike Endo just shoved my head into the wet gravel lots. Yeah you're lucky. Kill you lucky. And bregman neck. Yeah you know and I remember I got up. I was like dude. I'm pretty twisted this hurts. I can breathe for for a little bit. He took me to the hospital and they're like well. It looks like you're okay and I'm like cool. Go out to the truck. Decide this like all this pressure my back and my team at the time security. Take three of these so I take those and then I was okay. I race race my to fifty six hundred that day with broken-bat broken back in it and I wanted to fifty race in the wet in the rain my six hundred later did so good on six hundred. I was tired sick. Broken-bat going to throw up the whole tunnels writing clearly. You know when you're young. You're you're you're you're you don't think of injuries away. I think now I get are now. I said Okay like myself and I know that's not normal. And then last zander. It was like this. They invited me. Risconsin England insignificant legends. Category entered condescend almost a decade. And I tried to do this one trip and usually I was so set on doing this and I'm like I'm a goal hospital or I'm doing this trip but after the second try I crash actually I. This is my back. Injuries can from last year. I wouldn't as soon as I hit the ground. My old legs went numb second. I was like in my buddy. You got this sounds like Nope I'm done. But but fifteen years earlier I would have been like. Yeah let me say offering to do it now. We've gone who knows what the body been okay with it. Maybe fifteen years ago if I wrote Binoche today. I'm not getting racing later on sitting this yet in the next one and the next year but still might line Intel. He was like at the time was dude. I'm okay. I won the two fifty rates asserted party rating and then there was this bar called simpkins yet. That was the night I got my car stuck in the gravel trap at the race. Track out of the race after the race. Because we're just being idiots and then I got arrested your jail temporarily temporarily roadmap for couple of hours and we pointed you. Know you've found broke back four days later and what caused what caused it. You're like Oh something's wrong. I got off painkillers because I was racing that weekend. So we had A. We had a two day drive. Because we're going from Wisconsin to New Hampshire to allow the New Hampshire. So we had this drive we drove. I was painkillers little time. We got their practice Thursday morning so I stopped taking painkillers Wednesday. Because I want clear my head Sung race get back to business and I woke up in the morning and Move Oh no way you could get out of bed and still as like shit. I gotta go hospital the hospital back when you thought that when that person I've been like oh we'll deal with this or were you like. Oh Shit this. Is it stress out like Oh maybe anymore. No no no not by my mom I call them phone without a broken back to scream at me yelled at me and I think also moms and parents I think broken-bat means different things. Yes right when you say back. You're like Oh my God someone someone detailed you interested in renting you're dead you realize you can spray pieces of it and you're thinking about again and she's a terrible call. Tell you a moment broke my back with no with no other information. I'm now looking fine. She's like when you're fine. I'm like I'm fine. I could walk. I can talk all my limbs work until Leo case. He's like you're not totally okay. You broke your back and I was like I to tell you the truth. I thought when you broke your back it would be a lot worse. I was like it feels to somebody like punch me inside. Like how old are you? That was in two thousand. That doesn't tell me what you saw was two thousand eighteen minus twenty years my ears. Yeah Yeah won the championship. Ninety eight only God twenty eight twenty crazed ready for racing. That's about the agency. Start to figure stuff out unless you're because I didn't start young I didn't I didn't start road race until nineteen so no actually spend twenty five yet from six. When did you quit? I quit in two thousand and one. I quit because because I had other things I wanted to do. You know I just got to the point. I memorized race in two thousand and two. There was a name a national in Fontana and like hometown crowd for me then My friends cannot wash race was cool but I won the race. Like be at the time of Oliver was won't Vasquez into three broad periods. Means IS EVER. Ah beat him. That weekend won the race And it just didn't mean anything to me. I don't know if it was just it been a long time. I've been racing along time. Like he'd ever get sick a winning right but I was just like semi got bored with it. That happens not feeling any of the feeling of writing nor cycle gas. I got bored. The results are Mike Perception of what the results would or were not going to be understand. I mean that's why I stopped one contest. I just didn't I was like I'm here for this reason. If this isn't having the night began to be here do we always fight for this level of newness lights right and then if I think that to be a child and back to like what? My kids are getting to experience. Or what they're experiencing. Now it's like everything new to them is fucking amazing of Radisson. You remember that everything people tell me what you could go back twenty years. Would you say every place on the planet was new? I would want to go back and experienced things brand new again. Yeah I would no knowledge of it. I don't want I need someone like you want to go back and take all the knowledge you have now. It's like no hope non-experts ill yet ruined it yet. You probably be rich. Yeah Yeah you're right basing decisions. Yeah but you wouldn't enjoy life. Would we'll just think about if you had a chunk of money versus gives you know. Take all my delon's fucking burning Mike. Wealth Kids Young. That wasn't thing but it you don't trade it off to be fifteen again and get to experience everything again. That's what life is in a second. If you normal people understand that but I also think that I mean I I love you and I and this is no indication of how tough things were. How hard you work because I. This is doesn't but we've been pretty lucky to have pretty lives that we serve drip. We we've been able to to navigate. We've been the driver seat him. Our own lives from which most tones from a lot of different perspectives. Not just you know it opportunity but also like what we've done with their bodies in the fact that we are still fully functional beings noted many times as I did my head your head. You know all the people that we know that radical shit if it had to know that our brains scrambled my legs and my hands if they don't work as good as the east you but as as people because I mean I I I have so many. We all have injuries It would take to administer straight list all events and I know people look me let. Why would you do that like they look at it? And they're like would never have gone through ever going through. Because I looked at about two thousand ten I had looked into how much time is spent healing. My first big injuries make ninety along the math on that could remember. It was seven and a half years of fifteen exactly half and probably in the next nine years. I'd say there's probably another three or four years from lesson and just like remember. Those aren't played a role. Mangle knows offer two weeks right you know and I think about in about the last twenty since two since ninety five twenty four years I've easily spent twelve ten to twelve thirteen years on a couch healing. Which is crazy but in that I have. I can't imagine trading that for a job right just felt safe and hated yeah. It's so weird to me that the people who don't live that life can't usually get past that idea. You know like that. It's your body's meant to be used right. It's like you said everything still works here. Awesome people. Don't get lucky as us. But I mean gangster dude. I mean there's not going to change for another life I mean now I wouldn't have like I think about like the thing I like. I like doing in going place in doing things that no one else can not necessarily because I had the money to do. It isn't isn't about my pain. Dribble doesn't there's not like there's only one other person I know. That's been upside down above a helicopter with the Blade Travis Pastrana that was decade. After I did or more you know his. The motorcycles have been couch. Look like being a part of these things like thing. It's what I can look at right like. I saw a view that no one else is ever going to see and to me. That's on the untradable. Untradable thing to have. That's that's a trip is. I think that that's that's something that I think. A lot of people strive to do in different ways. I started to do it in different ways now like to bring experienced other people that they haven't had a chance to experience. Chances Awesome you know with our events. I want to do that for other people. Were they get? It's the same thing where the new and experiencing something new and different like you could give the people you can package that and take that in create like an event or experience. I think I have an idea about experience. I think experiences are going to be the way what you pay for soon more. What adult that event? You're talking about the super hooligans. What exactly yes super. Bowl Games is one is one portion of it but the I mean the motivation classic event that we do in October. And what is that? That's a concert in motorcycle. Racing link all types of different like con Moto Activation 's okay on the beach in southern California in Huntington beach which which by the way I get an invite for every time like. Hey you wanna come racing. This and every time I sit there and stared email and I like to. I always go. I'm going to die. I'm going to get really earn. I always see no. I think it has to do with like I've been like I don't WanNa get hurt doing something I shouldn't be doing but the other part is really want to do it but I'm like am I gonNa go let rolling down by being out there jackass. This year. We help with electric bike race. That one that's more my speed and I don't even know that needs this. Super Seventy three. Make these cool. Little Electric Bikes. Their really fond will twenty twenty mile an hour soon slum or slow I mean yeah you have a lot of fun like he can manage. What twenty mile an hour crash it's a manageable and the probably not that heavy no way like you know sixty pounds versus four hundred eighty which is what the Super Bowl. Yeah we keep asking him again. I'm GonNa put you on those. What's email hey? You won't be a part of this flat dude. I would look like one hundred year old mango around the outside trying to not get killed. That's what it would be the eventual doing. They how we've been doing. Oh shoot. It'll be our third year beach. Beaches are first event so three years almost three years. This last one was pretty big. I felt like yeah. We had twenty thousand people a day out so it was. We had social distortion bad religion. Pennywise fear Tesol lineup black rebel. More feel cool the bands. You like grew up on your vent tickets. Yeah like all my friends were like. Dude you tone. This event like all of our favorite he listened to your younger shows. Me Used to go to you know about religion or Gauzy anyways syncing. Asya couldn't make it this year. Not So bummed. I remember what I was. Probably just sit at home gone ice or wrong shit. I pretty that actually Outta town. But he was the remember seen it on social media. What is this shit this is awesome? It's fun it looked massive. It looks like we're tour at its biggest. Looked like France's media absolut absolutely. I mean you throw all that together like we literally built a race track on the sand. That's also we built this huge wooden dance floor and brought clay and put it on the sand. Oh no way. So it's not made out beat the San Nelson's Santrac it's an actual dirt flat track that we built on the stand. That's at environmental pain in the ASS to do. It was but we work with the state like doubted approved state. You know it's like none of endured get on the sand and things like that right now. I needed to end a little bit. Durken's incentives unheard Sandman. There really are but we really kept clean. You really like did a good job of cleaning up the site and take that very seriously because obviously wanna be able to do this stuff again. You know we wanNA take care of the planet twos at the same time. It is happening again this year. What's the deal is October October? Twenty seven twenty same location. Yes but you do other events right and I came to an event in San Francisco out on a dock or yeah you eat a modern day classic. Yeah Cool Yeah. It's fun which I think a little bit different. Yeah we're events in different places like we just did an event in downtown Tulsa in the streets at Tulsa how cool and race through the streets of downtown Tulsa Oklahoma. So that's that's kind of the theory. Is that like rather than throwing races at a race. Track on in the middle of nowhere where no one's GONNA come see. It would building races. You know right in the middle of the city or wherever you live is the sport of that sort of racing is. Dying is a growing fletch. From Clutch Drum considerably are people. I mean the reason I ask is obviously. It's a different set of kids. Are growing up generation. Is it part of their culture is it is it are you seeing a fluctuation of like you know people aren't going to be a kid your kids don't get your license these days so? I don't know how important motorcycles even certainly a group of kids riding flat track. You know learning how to go out and master motorcycle through through flashbacks. Seems so dangerous to me so fun. If that's not what I said. The Fun indeed is are two things that don't They they want has nothing to do with the absolutely canceled out. The does when you're on the bike on the bike like all day to disappears. Yes your favorite and the gravel does the same. It's like why do you do? It's because danger danger because danger. That is true you know. Is there a few things that feel? Like what Dangerfield. And I don't think that most people know dangerfields. I think think they know a dangerous but I don't think they really know dangerous like almost in a car accident. It was dangerous yet. They often something and it was dangerous. Those people who are dangerous situations probably no idea the danger that there may never. Yeah like I was in a bad riptide. Getting pulled him out and I couldn't swim almost round ups a dangerous situation but everybody almost died. Everybody's been in a situation where they're sitting there on their phone or whatever in the car and something happens or something happens that they might not almost almost half feel like the wind blow by you talk about the same is enormous. Spend the money when you almost win the lottery. GonNa be like if you get the five numbers six feel something like Oh my God but nothing really happened to you know you. Sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need something to happen to you to make you realize that shit can't have care how it can make it feel real for minute. You know. Like the most real. Yeah I mean how many times have you said Oh shit almost died and he meant it a lot more than most. I mean this month. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean. I've only one time this year right. I had an accident. Skydiving right. I legitimately at the end of it. I was like I could've done. I could have broken minutes. Well I mean I like it because it's usually for the most part one hundred percent impact zero presented so pretty good. They'll walk. What happened was he scared me was. We're actually right now. We're at role in motorcycle. A startup will hear your that. Listen to that DC did not just add that for no. I was doing a Skydive Java commercial and we had to wait three jumps students stuff in the air and I and this is something. I don't have a ton of skydives. Maybe like eight hundred fifty. Maybe which sounds like a lot to somebody but which sounds like a lot like it seems like a lot but think about it if I'm going to eight hundred and fifty I means I'm only skydiving for about a minute per it's eight hundred fifty minutes. You're talking like do not. Oh that's fifteen sixteen hours. It is in. How good would you be right? Mauresmo'S VIEW DENVER. Sixteen hours not very good yet. Ranks. Also the. How good can you get? You can get really good at really good. What what are you trying to? I don't know what are you trying to accomplish? I think you're just on your belly. You can fly it all sorts of different positions yet down on your back standing up being suits sales upside down on your head spinning around up and around and all of it is based on your body positioning and Buick. The relative there right. So there's there's people were good Scott like me. You jumped out of a plane. Bryan. You've been at ten. I'll be very good Scott up to you. Bring the only falling through there and I could fly. You can fly up. You can fly up this conflict down over. Also I'm just changing my body -sition to fall slower than you right so it seems like I'm flying out because slowing down your speeding-up but for some of his events guide our they will fly circles around me and if I need them to be over to you it over to me they can do split set a so. Yeah so it's a really really Could you like fall out of the Sky? And you go fast. We just think about where the only purposes your feet right to the fastest while you're gonNA fall a lot quicker head down the resistance to shoulders top of your head we're GONNA belly. You have his old big thing. Looks a wing right. It's on your back with you faster than on your belt other stink amount like you know like double o seven movies like yeah from their hands down there like tracking your hands. Yeah yes yeah. You're you're going faster than you would so head of doing this job. We had to get an opening and I have hard opening before might be approaching the film even with me level with me and I've got a grandma pilots you throw it and usually when you throw your parachute pilot chute does it inflates. And it's attached to a bridle that comes down to your main your main canopy as it doesn't pull the pin pools that the yeah. The wind catching up with their pools out your candidate and rope. It's usually takes six to ten seconds for your candidate to go from folded up inside your backpack and slowly opens and snivel that slowing down opens up six ten seconds. Meditates you from whatever you're doing one hundred twenty hundred thirty down the like ten or fifteen twenty. Whatever it is you know and so it's not usually super a brace mine opened up half a second rule so when it happened it opened up a base for yes that's a basic but a base rate at terminal velocity. Oh Yeah so like I'm falling faster me would be if you just jumped off like five hundred coverage so my open base. Osama through it. I was a candy was open and I thought I thought someone tracked or hit me. I thought I noticed guy was a bubbly and ready to me. That's helped bad. I get into our accident so going from hundred twenty two like ten miles an hour. Whatever of split-second so my Chin Ida photo phasing my chin hit my chest right and I thought I brought my Chin Jon Allen my neck down so might either next to my whole chain and everything was bruised jolly with Bruce. My chest was bruised. My neck was super sore leg straps when were purple purple line from leg straps and it actually knocked me out so not me out because of just the G. forces it took about like I wanNA say knocked out more. Look a knockout slight days. Right it was going on so it took me about ninety seconds to really thrown under canopy. Drowsy okay I could. I could get my bearings install as flying but I mean we're also ripe National League knocked me out. I could just floated down to lake drought. So it was pretty. It was pretty gnarly when came in Came in sat there because my body shop but people break their necks like that all the break neck loadings out and it was the first. It was the first time and this is like I said I said. I am a mediocre sky. Ever at least that's how I see myself. It was a huge learning experiences. It was the first time that I hadn't considered because it had the things happen. Were of the. I'm in control of that. I made that happen right like I made this happen. Mutter mcdonagh state again But this one I felt was a person who is out of my hands. I actually there was a packer to package. It was clearly a pack. Initially I think based on the way to footage looks Where where my slider was but something. I couldn't control that. It wasn't like I did it and it was my fault because yeah you know and so it was the first time that really scared me of like. Oh these things can happen whether or not those things field dangerous and. That's one of the most dangerous because I felt like I was out of control of it. I I like the danger. I feel like I mean. Yeah I once got experience what is basically as I say. That base jumping Idaho right. I knew that so you. That's the only experience I that's not an experienced life under so you have. No you're no doubt skydiver at you wait and did you do a course or did someone just chuck over bridge was he the guy like how. Guy. So what does he takes a pilot shooting. Hold onto it. You jump the bridge and doesn't pulls the parachute out steered our water and land safely. Yeah Yeah Win because that breaches like four hundred Ninety Vita. They answer for examples. Where twin falls Britain's the only legal based bridge year round in America? So you can't believe they let people do since they do. Every I mean I've been out there a few times and you see people joking with his dad is that his daddy did happen happen so many times. We'll be were there with archery at the time where it was just like the gnarliest line twist we had traveled to a triple flip in like did like an extra half Sheet upside down like a lot of wild wild stuff have what was his four. It was for Adminster Mitral. They're filming for Nigel. So bell calls me up any bill. He's like hey what are you working? And he's like will stay with me must go patient. That's a horrible idea ago and he's I grew up with my mom telling me. Oh just because you're gonNA jump off a bridge the same guess Mahmoud Abbas. Actually that statement came through actually did do that. You know we away. They're like I got there. It was like a then really a rig handed to me as I got out of the car Jew was shoot. Was Sean Chuma road runner runner. He added my buddy So was it gave you the Rick. Rar Game The rig compact the shoot us like I know like I did and like so. What are you doing? It opens up and you grab the handles and you know like what like where. Hannah is their color. The handles can reach up. Grab the handles. Whatever the only handles there. What do you grab the handles like pulling the right? WanNa go ripe on the left and down poll mouth and is like riding the shoot and I was like. Oh Shit this real. This is real. This is happening. They're gonNA let students walk that bridge too when you like. When you're unsure about like it's theory and I had some skydives. No not my first patient but by the time I got to the bridge I got no time but no I had campy experience campaign. That's the big one. I felt like I'd seen it but I had never seen it like up front and personal. I've seen it. I've seen a bunch of Ninjas fight but I just need a win to fight Gopro Gable. Pull on the handles and like so I get up there and you know I have to crawl over the rail. Oh yeah they didn't put a sleeper board crawl over the Braille. The rails tall recycles chest ribbons. Just when you call on your chest hold on. There's not an edge on the edge legitimately on. The rail is probably an inch and a half. Maybe so you turn to your. Your toes are under the rail. And you're looking back into the bridge the other turn around the turn around one hand off turnaround backwards in the heels on this. Hold up hoping you don't slip off. Plus you've got a backpack on so you're not if you can your back against your four push forward yet like you know it's terrifying. Twos the scariest single thing ever done in my entire life. I've had other know the ones where they put like a dining Gorda. Yeah so that was a lot lot safer they put it on top of the real often you as the way to go for people who they had that up earlier but by the time and gotten there. I think they've pulled the diving down so I was like the last one you know everyone had been like charging all day was like this is the last one. If you're GONNA do it. You GotTa do it now. There is no link thinking about it. There was not there was no lesson but I mean you know a lot of situations you get in. And they're like why are they teaching this crop? Could you send it and do it yet? That's literally will happen but it but it was like when I look back at the The numbers for accidents in Beijing. Hoping it was after onto course on animals like fifteen percent fatality rate Dana Score. It's it's literally like It's like a fifteen or a ten shot revolver with one bullet. Yeah that's what it is. It's a ten shot revolver. I don't know what the numbers are. But it's higher than than you want anyone to participate in something with zero up knowledge of a one in nine revolver. Nuts this is. It's like the intelligence scale versus the one ascended scale you know and sometimes the WanNa send it completely always in intelligence and he put it over here to the side in the. Just do the thing because you trust like I trust you now. Just because they don't know they don't want they. Actually one of those guys told me when sometimes you just gotTa let them. Dogs Hunt that talk. Yes he's going to turn around and grab both sides of the bridge facing away. I'm just like a g shaw four did you. Did you go ahead. No I went ahead low when I pulled the shoot or they had love when the when the shoot snapped and boom on headed left in it all on headed left into the wall at this at time. I'm like okay. Just take it easy to reach up. Grab the handles and everybody up above your awry. Turn right the screening at you do. They just reached up and turn right. We the bull that they're using day was no longer there so you were. You're right. Yeah Oh you didn't have. Oh they said land close to that but there was no boat down there now you could drown man and he'll land close to the this is this is this is the whole crew like the thing is with the crew. Upset The rain but he's getting ninety nine point nine nine hundred time is you wouldn't be with them unless you are a person who could be on there. Yes and who could take basic direction and understand what they're getting self interested. He's going to be in a critical situation. You do the right thing. But they also like it's not like they're running around a bunch of people who are UNINTELLIGENT UNSKILLED. No right you know what? I mean like a lot of art skill. Louisa melts transfers into commonsense in his intelligence versus Johnson scale. You know and I did. I really wanted to do this. I don't for whatever reason I don't know why I really wanted to do but it did. And I pulled for breached up and I grabbed the the things whatever you call them the I turn the thing and like literally like did a Little Textbook Right Turn Textbook. Bright Bright turn down in the water and a member of just like the movies. I just pull the handles up and just I just laid in offline and dismayed ended and I was in waist deep water and I just want to the autumn short. No Way and the scariest thing about the whole ordeal was climbing the play. Oh yeah they get completely soaked with twenty pounds of went paracetamol back. Having the scale cliff got. It was a rock climbing last night. Twenty feet risk averse and Rockland. And then there's like another twenty feet of it's kind of a tree and then serve Raka paint on the tree at the ends gnarly. Yeah that you'd never done twenty. You're wet dark. Probably a three or four beers. At that point like it was it was a radical experience. Did it once that I probably wouldn't do. I don't base jump anymore. I don't have a time. They've probably got thirteen to fifteen jones. All bridges. I've got a couple of times on on on some antennas we try to jump with Rohner But after my kid was born yet that I just don't I don't jump anymore lease for this part of my life is a lot Jay. But let's get back off the evacuated areas that might WanNa know or like I want to talk about and it's just obviously rolling and sign you. How long has it been around? Two thousand eight to two thousand six okay over ten years and I feel like if I remember right you. Were the person kind of doing cafe racers of bit like your own way. I would split it. I guess we were situated position like the twin industries. Where having spending money in custom market and there wasn't a lot of notoriety for anything that wasn't a Harley Davidson twin on maybe like Like like street fighters you know there was a street fighter seeing things like that so what we did was we started. Building stuff was kind of in the middle of genre where I was pulling an taking the twins and turning them into more race inspired bites so we're bringing racing to the customer and before. You actually started doing that where you build them for friends. Or how? What sparked like we're GONNA make this a real GOI- shooter. I mean there's all the TV stuff going on so there was all the biker. Build off that Jesse James WORKED IN MY DAD's shop for a couple of years so O.`day used to hang out with your friends back in the day. The nose of Big Jesse James Time. Yeah Yeah when he? When I saw the Jesse's doing what he was doing in Lake Dude. I I know this guy's capable of you know. I know that I can do similar stuff. Go Shit Yeah you know like I had and there was just so much to do in my head. There were so many avenues. We could go there so much. Cool stuff we can do analysts supply of ideas because I was looking at it from the recent perspective as a road racer designing products for twin motorcycles. You know with my dad machine. My Dad owned a company called performance which may cousin partly marts. I was the chief of design. They're so while. I was racing on designing custom motorcycle. Parts for thousand elmore cycles you know race in two hundred fifty pound two stroke road race bike just two completely different ends of the spectrum crashing together in that was how I think we styles essentially and was it. Did you feel like it was a quick hit like? Do you feel like you started this. All of a sudden happening or was there was years of the. Maybe doesn't isn't gonNA work. No I mean a custom bike cited beings you know. There's a reason for us to build stuff because we remarketing through performance machine we did the TV builds. Obviously one of the really cool stuff. So I got the plus the while bikes and set up a couple of crazy projects that we built this the K. R. Five which was a Komodo GP powered custom bike. And that's something that we took to the Grand Prix races in the GP really took interest in it and so it was starting to open people's minds like people saw we're dealing and they thought we could do that to you know we we can do that. Why why are we doing something like that? Why are the only people in the custom game the between guys so I think we helped open people's eyes to what was possible outside the between space where you want to spend time money and energy on a non-party based by that was there for you? What is the average price of a by any hard to say because oxygen all builder different but someone who comes in wanting me necessarily from you but just someone who comes in and wants to build a custom by like this? They're really expensive right. And it's the handwork I. I'm not arguing about more than our but I mean the people coming in by two thousand dollar bikes that right. We've had a couple of bites in that range. Does that baffle your mind? Yeah the disposable income and you wanNA see something Rolling art piece of rolling art. That's been created. I mean we're using every of style manufacturing bring to the tables three d design sola solid modeling doing rapid prototyping where machines of you know were create sheet metal paintwork aluminum stainless steel titanium. You know like every type of Fab and every type of really artistic custom sculptured but it runs and birds and you can go have fun. Do you think people understand that? Don't know anything about the bike with the custom. Bidassoa cost one hundred twenty five grand people like that's dome or that's insane. This dominance but I do they. Do you think people realize on the actual artistry and craftsmanship. That is being made. It would be impossible for you to understand it in. She were there to see it happen every piece right from scratch. Everybody thinks that by tim build like they're built on TV in two weeks. Calls by take on average. I'm going to have isolated year to build but not a year consistently. Well we did. We just built this by McKee Manson. Here's all the money and you had the tire. You're backed up with other orders. What is like a really really nice build? That's a full custody visit with Doesn't really nice stuff for like forty two six K you know. And that's that's a decent budget and we can get so a lot of a lot of work. Done needs diving into the chassis and building. She no foreign body. Were things like that but when you're talking one hundred plus that's when we're like engineering and designing frames and doing an entire body where it's lengthy we're starting with. Just the motor says. Basically is no bike. It's just a complete. We know my rely. Don't have the name we'll take. We'll take the. We'll take off the shirt him for the motor out of it. You know and we'll build complete around that bike. Got Maybe using the electrolytes predom- most the time we do use electronic systems own Able REGISTRATION US. Ports of the parts of the frame built around it. What happened when you when you build a custom bike register? What do they do how they registered the Megan most of the time? We build bikes in already existing system. Okay Okay so whatever it is frame and then they'll completely up to stop frame and still whatever the stop frame still whatever was got it. Yeah when did all the other stuff that role in sands is startled Apparel jackets because when I think of her own sands if something doesn't is an avid motorcycle rider That's what I think of yet. You know beginning. Because I'm I'm probably most likely never going to buy and you'll get accustomed by but when it comes to your storm at these jackets dope and I feel like your jackets when I think of Eden in. I don't really know that much. But what I think of coolmore jackets and I see a Coolmore Zone. Jump on somebody. Eighty five hundred time to Ron Sandelin. By time I'd figure I was just that's awesome. I mean it's the truth. They've they've looked different. You know and they have a different look. They don't feel jackets that you could wear whether you're right or not and that's what I like about. When did that start? When did you realize that that is a huge party visits? We started? Assigning our Pearland is in two thousand eight quickly after pretty quick. Yeah we we always have this idea while we need to make this happen. You know like there was just this space in the market where nobody was building anything so when I buy see space like that. We have an opportunity. We have the people that we can work with. Put a team together. Let's go after that. If no one's doing ammiel the markets there we'd other markets growing. Let's go after it so with our payroll. We did the abuse different materials. We created functional pieces that you could ride a motorcycle in crash in. That would protect you. You know but also didn't look Mica Warsak piece on your Moore's cop like a motorcycle cop like a like You know she guys riding around this fields here yes stuff reflectors in it and then or it's fully branded like road race stuff or or any of that. I always wanted to very subtle very subtle stuff. That wasn't branded stylish. And that was. That's what doesn't offer is this is the apparel market. Is the backbone of today on a daily on a daily motorcycle. Parts still parts yet district parts combined. Nikolov Party a lot of arts for For Harley from the twins do w stuff now you L. Coletta BMW. We're doing Indian parts now. Do Indian collaboration community did you. Kati collaborations also speaking of any jute for Rape Travis. Pastrana last year. Did some call. Evil live yet vegas where he retreated three of even evil jumps and you build that. Indians that right did you go. I did go. Yeah I saw you remember it yet. We hung out the whole night set next who literally sat next to each other for our go by showed up. I didn't really I I I don't I don't I I. It's hard remember because I saw you down floor because you were there. I was there like we had this emotional connection there I could use your essence which switches delicious by. There's only one that really categorize light essence. It's kind of like your hair. It's like the colored gross yes if gross was a color that I don't know if it's actually your your ears like it looks like it looks like a like an hour camouflaging its surroundings. That works that were the great. It's the grave Ray Blonde Brown and reddish rents red and silver tall cinnamon a wise out yet. Otherwise otherwise out. I'll take that you built vows accustomed correct when you build something. That's GonNa do those sort of when you build the bike here and you've got to build a bike that's gonNa jump out referring the long jump. One hundred seventy probably what what goes into that. Is that a different mindset. Different team different team. Now we theorize what we're doing you don't I still. The guys will get together and we talk about how to make a project better How to make better firm believer in the Moorehead's the mayor you know they were able to bring our knowledge together from what all of us. It's my road racing whether it's Cameron's offroad stuff he's done in the desert whether it's errands Bah truck fabrication or whatever. These guys have done in the past when we come together. We talk about our project. We try and take all that knowledge. So we're going to do really try and take the ego out of it. It's a hard thing to do. It's hard thing to do hard hard thing to do but the second you do how much better everything get. Yeah. It's crazy. How much better everything every project? You're part of whatever. The finished product is usually is exponentially. Better when Egos taken up and it's hard to do. It's hard to see them like I big fan of like no. Let's just get to the end product gift idea this year and then I find myself was mighty. I'm protected you now. And it's it's it's like something I'd try and work on the law yet. We all to try and work on it. It's hard not to because you for people like you. Who believe in what they do like. You're not gonna you wouldn't put something out unless you wholeheartedly believed it was the best part you can put out at that moment for. You were capable to do that and not like hey. My Name's on it did credit for it because we worked really hard on it was idea and it was a team yet but still idea mother effort you know. So why do humans have that? It trips me out a lot because I see it a lot. I can see you know. Communication my sister's sister summer and we just argue about funny shit sometimes when we get. We get so hyped on stuff assist though no matter what your still family and I could say anything John saying to me and we can both be like fuck you in the turnaround. Everything's fine ten minutes. Might BE PART OF A. I think there's a part that's like it's part of your identity right like I think about like For me I've been struggling Over the last few years. And it's been lingering because I never quite let it go about my identity as a professional bike rider for so long. Even though I do all these other things I think deep down. I'll always be that person because that's what I was. I was born from once now that it's gone in a nut mike the bike rider. It's a hard weird distinction on who you are right for. You gotTA fight for. But I think that that's what the EGO comes from because I think it's part of your identity your fighting for your identity. I designed this. I made it. This is not just a jack is not just a bike this is me that puts McCain is part of me. It's going out. There won't be able to know or at least I want my team to know and I think the things that are easier to let go the ego about are things that maybe you don't don't care about as much maybe you're not you don't care about him but you're you're okay with them being not fully your thing so. I totally get where you're coming from because I experienced the same thing you know. Throw racing's like I was in this zone where I I felt in my head bashed rotations around role in Sanjay. The guy with this epigraph yes altered but I knew who I was. It was simple. I could be that I. I was comfortable being that. Do you know it might have been reckless at times wild that I was fast announce what that was my identity and you'd be talked about you know what made you stop. And why did you stop? And it was like part of that was me going. I'm not okay without identity. Not Okay like identity doesn't completely defying more completely yet. I sick and I wanted something else I wanted to. I wanted to define myself with something more. Solid or artistically motivated or you want something that can stand the test of time you. WanNa be just in. It always stuck in my head of like. You're only as fast loss rates and people judge you by that we can feel. That was any part of this wanting more control over it. Because it's a racer you look at their race. Their rule certain with their everything in this guy can do whatever I want built accustomed by you the same might last race two thousand to the good of second. I finished second my last national and at the same time I I finished a motorcycle finished. His bike called Mickey Tango like this little named they all got names like little girls dolls. Whiskey tango I like them but like bill despite and people were known. Talk to me about my second place finish the race. You know like everyone's talking about this custom bike and people who hadn't talked to me for really stop by like do you built that built this by and it was the whisperings in the pits of like you've owned built as crazy custom bike. You know what I did. I really built the whole fucking by himself outside of painting. It did all the work on. Do you think that it's funny? Because that is sparked a thought my head. Do you think it's easier for people to recognize hard work and talent when there's a physical physical end piece to recognize where we are at the vitamin. I also just want this entire championships certain. But they're more impressed with this because they can understand it. They don't see the hundreds of hours it took on your own at an empty track racing around corners. Were this. Whoa I can tell this. Is this took a long time. Certainly and that's part of that's part of what makes today more difficult in the Internet agents social media ages because used to build a bike ahead stained power commanded magazine a bike lane your lifespan. These days the two days even that even that's temporary now when people are like telling me to post on instagram like it doesn't matter in three hours because no one's going to think about it ever again. It's all temporary same bikes. We USED TO PUT UP VIDEO. Barclays filling year but video art. Yeah and like you prevent tricks in it and you'd be like all right took them forever cleared out with lasts like a year you can. You can sort of strange career at strength off that video part For a year more. And you were doing this trick. Indicate finally solid when it came out and you have been doing this for a year and that it would take him to learn it now. Kids are so at such an influx of content regular daily. They like see something like. Oh I'M GONNA learn that by noon the next thing among the next thing which is great for evolution and and for the sport to like grow quickly but it has taken it is made things on special you take a guy like. Dewan who doin. Okay skateboard yeah right. And he's like his older guy. You know who's the rodel days yes doin versus? Moat Moon. Handle these battles and like a guy like doin' You watch skateboarding. And he's doing something new and different every day you know when he he came late to the game and social media whatever ending like has took over bill this massive falling and it's based upon him. Just same under do what I do but I do it every day. I'M GONNA keep feeding us a little bit a little bit a little bit bigger because he might go out during the day at five tricks maybe only feed it out so is is that. Is that the new answer. Is that these big grand thins bid grand grandiose artistic elements that take years and years to produce the help that much of that or explain really cool gable everyday. You're there yes you know like the I think the going back in your lab and creating art doesn't have this effect as someone's like I'm out here every day. Doing saying you see me working everyday ton it's like you don't like if you showed up one day and the neighbor had like A. You couldn't see the neighbor's house get a big wall up and for eight months. And then he moved it in his whole landscape beautiful. You'd think well but crazy sick. Let's talk about it for five seconds then but it you saw him everyday working on. It'll be out there again. out there. It's a hard twenty degrees. Today is out there with busting his ass. Yeah it's a windsor different mindset in that that's a funny thing because like the worth of something to you personally. Is that worth something to you is based upon based upon your your working your the effort that you put into it if you just for giving something versus building. It's worth so much more of course of course and so what you're essentially trying to do. Maybe and social media allows you to use it right announcing I do. But if you're able to show that just like you're saying you're able to show what's happening between a cover over the house fifth house you're able to show all those elements and that really carries worth for people released carries the tension ten- attentions warts. Yes Harverson by just said. Hey I out. Fishing stand vermouth. Little my new house I got or by year. He building it. I'm sure if he will be only got done. Maybe a wild dude dude. You really bus can't be good for you greatly since and you know I. It's it's a weird because I traditionally live in the other world gonna Goldman were part of this and I'm going to have this product to show at the end of it. That's going to stand the test of time and ten years from now people will look at it and be like Damn Dude. This is like a chapter of history this chapter the history or not around anymore. Well they can just look at the for instance okay and I look at this a lot because I I probably make more partners. Apple does drilling. Yes okay what does apple do they make my money's? They make computers they but but they have a very select tight knit. Group of things have some some companies that make light one fucking thing and then crush it with making one thing that everyone needs and in the market that one single thing so their marketing budget is all focused on this one thing. Make this thing grade. And they've continued to just make it better and make it better and better and make a great and keep reminding people how great it is your bed. Thank you make this thing. We're going to have this red thing you know. But it's the best thing ever and you're keeping it relevant every day with a new social media video piece harder here than having to have budget stuff. I think it's and I come from the other side so I think it's easier okay by Saint APP. Maybe it's not. I don't know I'm like I am I. It seems harder because you have to continue to keep trying to sell find different ways to sell the same product. But you're like if I have all these brains in hardworking people. Were only working on that you you know you freed up a lot of space in the brain. You still have a lot of space to be able to do that. Where we have fifty products you have to just continue to sell every day and you don't really get to get to make greater needs to make some things great but to focus on one thing. They want the amazing in special great versus focusing on hearted fifty things. You gotTa make good. Good yeah and convince people to buy them that that gets a little harder but and then you get to the point where they these day just become good not great yes or things become you become so used to having you know you need them. That doesn't matter how good the art because you're going to buy a new one anyway. You know what we used to live in a world were you to make this elastic people by this once. It's cost a lot of money and now you're like me. It's crazy to think that almost every human on the planet or a huge percentage walk around with a thousand dollar phone in their pocket young kids. There's two thousand dollar in their pocket. He's been crazy to think about the The level of technology course versus thirty years ago. When you couldn't even build a computer side of this building from the dad the power. The timing of phone David Space. I mean of course sprawl you space it system all you. I know whoever virtual reality but think about your parents begging if you were in the mid nineties early nineties any print secure thousand dollars putting your everyday losing. Your parents have given me that money. There's no way right in two thousand dollars and your your your kids walk around with. It doesn't have a case on it. You'd beat the Living Shit appears. Just it's but kids same thing but kids are the worst thing ever for them to break her Lusophone. If they lose their phone their life their life enter life ends. The Ray they're gonNA they're gonNA sit there and it's literally they don't auditable. It's weird so we were rolling it. Did I always wonder from business? Point of view especially with the company that I I love your company different than I see other. It's like companies. Come as the Halloween great idea. There's solid companies are built on. I think like talent and hard work and are constantly trying to make sure they're they`re. They're being as cool as possible but also doing the right thing for their brand and that's how I see a role Zandt and that's how I see. I see other brands like others trying to do things but when I come in this building series look around with my dude. You have all this stuff. All of it looks so good like when you when you go into the showroom your like even all the product enjoyed every single one looks like it's so much work into it and I'm like Howard air enough hours a year year to be able to make all these products because I idea I've worked enough with design products realize much goes into it and so it's really cool to coming here and see that but also to hear your perspective on how what that takes do what it takes to market these products out of. Care. I like these said that. With a voice. It sounded like you're so over. You have to Care GonNa care I know you do. I mean and and even if it's a force Karen like you don't WanNa carry bend the time you think about it. You go down more like jackets today. Acura muscle different And that's that's a bit of a struggle that I had this because I may have to meetings to focus on creatively. Sometimes I have what I call force creativity because sometimes they don't have a choice. You're Some Husky done so I mean there's times when I lean upon you know the people that I work with very much to like make that happen and other times ages. Let's get creative figured out sometimes. When that happens you start with something? That's something to get something on paper gets going. You know what I mean where you're like. I just can't do it today but like all right. Let's let's make this shit and once we actually see the piece of Shit I've realized Got BETTER WE'RE GONNA make sure it's not a piece of shit you know we're not gonNA put out shit always said that the one thing that we've done with the companies we haven't we haven't had a bomb on anything you know. We haven't made any massive states that have been like fuck Blame young modeling. I don't think we've always fought to try and duke will give you know in when maybe didn't feel as coal we're GonNa try and create something different. You know it's like nothing ever went south too much. You know not not everything. You've done have been winners for sure as a fucking sure below two stuff. They were stinkers. But that's that's the that's what happens when you create product every year since May different places to put your head down and stuff. That isn't winning. You just go use it as fuel to make the next winter. What's next roles because you guys are moving moving building and is I mean? Is there more plans to expand role sands into more avenues? Or is it just more of the same New Place now? I think that we definitely am new ideas. I mean on a moving out with buddy kids again. I know me an Andy Bell. We've been really friends for a long time so I found this building like two and a half years ago. And it's for me. It's a dream buildings building that I always wanted. The style of building always wanted to be in the second airplane hanging because he pitches of aliens. It's it's an incredible building close to my house along each so it's like right in the heart a long beach and he saw is places. Amazing you know and we. We ended up or biking for closing. Tomorrow we're creating space launch footage lot bigger space and essentially get to create a compound a compound of creativity. And you both you got a key. Owns a production company heels proton-pump band? So you guys are all be under the same roof that yet again. We've got like you look at it. Just the functional aspects of our business really complement each other you know. He's fulfilled production where three modeling building designing furniture motorcycles. Automobiles cars no complete lines across the board. We both do and he does real film work. Would you like more senior? Discriminating your homework. It's off the coast. Yeah sh running gun running some. It's really good and talk. If you know like art stuff like you know to do a lot of different aspects and we do it for our business but we also do for other businesses very cool. We'll wrong but one thing that I do want to say is that I've known you for years. Where Super Close? But we've got a family together we've been to Mexico and maybe out to the desert navy. Higher House may trips together. And as much as I'd like but I feel like that's the one thing about everything we do. We all live sort of far art for the daily sort of interactions. But you've always been someone who was when I think about everything that comes out of your mouth other than a few conversations. It's always been really really intelligent. But also Kelly bishop advocates been really really intelligent in a way that is so like a thought out and creative. That's really what I. There's a lot of people that when they start talking. I I really try to stop this and not. Just be and be present. What they're saying but with you is. You're one of the people that I really try to do that. Because I feel every time you You Open your mouth. I either learn something or really entertained by the stupidity. The leave you on those last note. That we do share a very special moment together. We ensure you remember being reminded you of right now but we were at an event for one of our friends who had passed away and we raise money for them. Eric Rohner Trouser straughter. Nitra raising money. We've done done the whole Auctions all the bikes and then they were just making up these silly things to raise money in they were yes a baby so this is something. I felt bad. There's there's more seldom I couldn't afford football for me. Not Hold on. I felt bad because I wanted to contribute to this. You should feel I feel bad for you but we're getting there. I wanted to contribute transplant. Because we're GONNA DO ROCK PAPER SCISSORS BABY BIRD. Four hundred dollars by it. I was like okay. That's like I can do that right. Like whatever it is. I whatever we're GONNA happen. I mean they just had a contest where you could slap travis the chest one hundred bucks. I didn't want to do that when I was looking at McDonald's in volunteer for this but he said in a rock paper scissors bieber McDonald. That is so I raised my hand. Like a dummy and I go up there. Roller also raises hand. Travis was in the snowboarder. I forget who it was but he was the only person that don't know super well right. Everybody Else Travis you and then they explain baby bird to me and I don't drink so I I don't drink wrong and we do rock paper scissors and rolling loses for denotes. He's last in line at that. The efforts of Bella. You thought you wanted like yes I one. No you didn't win. And so then I was next. And then that's nowhere in the Travis. So we go line now and. I'm not really sure what's happening. And then Travis pulls out a huge follow. Vodka ones takes a massive massive sip of it and keeps in his mouth and this is where the baby bird part comes up then the snowboarder next to him crowds down and travis fed the vodka to him like a bird in his mouth. And then I realized I'm watching this happen on my tap near as disgusting and then realize Oh my God. I'm next in line and I felt like I didn't see we're well not that. That should matter but I felt like travelers. I know where he's kind of been rolling. He's been this guy I get down. I crouch down spits it all into my mouth and I was like. Oh this is terrible but then didn't hit me up. Bad was if you didn't terrible but then I realized. Oh my God this is so wonderful because I'm not the last guy an despite this in the rollins mouth all so I feel like I turned and looked at you. And we're both there will tell us were shorter. And so you have to crouch way downs. You're on your knees. Basically and I'm I'm trying not to spill any because uncourteous that's why I turned on your China to laugh know about Hainan trying to spin your mouth so perfectly like you're above new album but an inch above your mouth like just letting it sort of slowly drink in your mouth and then once I got it I went over and I can't get and then the thing is the loser has to swallow so I I just wanted to share the little. I feel like we share a little bit of closeness because I totally forgot about the nose. Kids Yeah I didn't are among forgotten about the rest of the night anyways. Thanks for being your man. Frisia around around.

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#198 - Personal Health Wearables, Heat Stress, Training For Ironman, Sugar Vs. Sugar Substitutes, Vitamin Fortified Foods, And More!

The Intermittent Fasting Podcast

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#198 - Personal Health Wearables, Heat Stress, Training For Ironman, Sugar Vs. Sugar Substitutes, Vitamin Fortified Foods, And More!

"Welcome to episode one hundred and ninety eight. Be intermittent fasting podcast gain energy and enhance your health by changing your win. You eat what you eat with no calorie counting than this show is for you. i'm nonni avalon author of what when why lose weight and feel great with various style meals intermittent fasting. And why and i'm here with my co host. Jim stevens author of delay. Don't deny living an intermittent fasting lifestyle for more on us. Check out i. F podcast dot com nonni avalon dot com and jin stevens dot com. Please remember the thoughts and opinions on this. Podcast do not constitute medical advice or treatment. So for yourself. A cup of black coffee a mug of tea or even a glass of wine. If it's time get ready for the intermittent fasting. Podcast hi everybody. I wanna take a minute to tell you about one of our sponsors. This episode is sponsored by butcher box. As you know. Both melanie and i love butter box and for different reasons. 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That costs way more than the price of the membership. It's completely worth it so friends. Are you fast in clean inside and out you can with beauty counter again. That link is melanie. Avalon dot com slash beauty counter. And we'll put all this information in the show notes all right back to the show. Hi everybody and welcome. This is episode number. One hundred and ninety. Eight of the intermittent fasting podcast i- melanie avalon and amir john stevens. Hi everybody. how are you today. Chen i am fabulous. Happy new year happy new year. How was your new year's eve. Well i spent it with my co host of the life lessons podcasts. She and her husband came to visit for a couple nights and we put together. My new son lightened sauna. I am so excited. Gosh yes. I've been waiting for this moment. Jen since i first got us online like what a year and a half ago maybe going to call me. Tell me everything. It's kind of funny. Did i tell you how we put it together because my husband wouldn't make a decision about the garage so he soon as the box was delivered like we talked about it all the way through the process like okay. I'm going to get this on us. I go ahead and get it. And he's like yes so it took a few weeks for it to come now. I got the impulse conquer sunlight sauna. Which seats three people. So it's like not gonna put three people in. You'd have to sit really close together. But i can lay down on the bench. It's a pretty good sized. You know it's you know seventy one inches wide. It's it's a good good size anyway. As soon as the box was delivered as actually three giant boxes that had to come special freight they used to forklift. Put it at our garage. That's how heavy the three boxes are a gay. So i was like. Oh that's a lot so as soon as it was delivered. He's like now. We have to pay the floor of the garage and the walls of the garage before we could put anything up and like well okay. Let's think about that so we thought about a thought about it thought about it. He looked at paint chips. He thought about it. He never made a decision so it sat there for over a month. Daring at me said then. Finally as i keano sheeran. Eric are going to be here on new year's eve. What if we go ahead and just set up this on a nail. And he's like okay fine so we did it. I have for our listeners. I've talked about it a lot. I have the solo unit. Which is it's great for people like me who been an apartment who don't have a lot of space because a collapsible and you actually lay down inside of it. They actually have it at a lot of spas like before i had one. I was getting sessions at different spas. So it's amazing for a little apartment dweller like me but jin got like the songs on us so tell me about well. I'm really glad we waited till they were here to put it together because it really did. I think take three people now. Eric just had neck surgery so he couldn't lift anything heavy but he was the technical director. He read the directions to us. Help does know what to do and we did it. We we just did it. It was like pretty easy. The pieces were in there. Like you've start with the floor. And then you put it on the back and the side pieces and the front and then there's this little pin that just connects you know like the front to the side and these little pins are just four. I mean the whole thing was eight screws and four pens. Are you serious. Eight screws to screw on the feet of the on the bottom four pins one for each corner and the roof just set end applies the hardest part. Was you have to undo the floor. Panels and then click together. The electrical connections a little tip. If anybody gets one in the directions they have. You put the bench in first and then do the floor. Connections don't do that because our both in their like hunched under the bench but we did it and then it all worked it. Just all works. Oh and you can watch. Tv on the little hannele has well has a touch panel. That actually has a media like it connects to your wi fi and you can watch netflix. I didn't know it was going to do anything that it's an android tablet in there. I'd no idea. I don't like my god. We could watch. Tv while we're sitting here does have like the chromotherapy like the caller lighting has different color lights. Yeah several listeners. Just in case they're not familiar the sunlight and are infrared saunas. So they don't heat up by heating up the air they actually use infrared wavelengths that he you up from the inside out so i mean it feels warm may soon but the air goes up to one thirty two. I think when. I'm in there one hundred and thirty two degrees. The air does go up but it doesn't go up to the levels of one. Sixty one seventy like traditional heat saunas. Yes i mean it does go up. I mean it's one hundred thirty one hundred thirty two degrees in there when it's really going but then you actually heat up from the inside. It's kind of like a way sort of describe it. Is you know how you can have a fever. But not act. I mean you feel warm this on it but you can have a fever and not actually feel that hot. Like that's kind of how like asana works gives you an artificial fever. People might be like. Why do i want to have an artificial hieber but the benefits are profound like there's so much clinical literature on the benefits of heat stress because basically it it activates something called heat shock proteins in your body mean. We're always talking. On this show. About how fasting activates things like toffee in different cellular processes that support health and just like fastening as a stress sauna use a stress and a it could have the cardiovascular equivalent benefits of working out for your heart. They started doing studies actually on sauna. Use as a veritable or potential preventative. Measure for covid studies on a while the conclusion of the study. And i'll put a link in the show notes to the. I did a really long blog post on this recently. That's why it's all at the top of my head. But the conclusion of the study was that heat therapy might be something to consider with this pandemic because the body's initial way that it combat's viruses is like fever is repeat viruses are heat sensitive and covert the sars strain is. So that's really cool. If you can get in your sauna day kind of hopefully use it as a preventative for covid. you know. i think. I'm going to use it every single day. I don't know what will happen in the summer. We'll have to see but right now. I mean every day i've gotten in it because it feels so good. You know i wake up drink my coffee do my normal morning. You did it in the morning of the so interesting. I do it at night. Ripe for eating before i get in the shower. Yeah because i'm sweaty. Doesn't it feel like the way. I describe it as you get in it and you just feel like your body just gives us saif relief. I don't wanna get out. I'm not kidding. I'm doing research for my new book. And i was doing research in the us. I think i stayed in there too long. It's amazing and a little hack for listeners. If you ended up getting a solo unit that i have and you want to set it up inside. I'll put a link to the way. I set it up because amazon has a twin mattress frame thing. That's like and black and it fits perfectly like you sit the solo on top of it and then i found this also amazon. It's like an arm. That holds your iphone and i attached to the frame so then it holds my iphone over my head so then i can do work or like read a book while i'm in it. I'm finding that it just feels so great just to be in there that i don't wanna get out and so i'm gonna find ways to do my work in there too. It's like they technically say. Don't take your phone in their video. I was wondering they say that. Yeah that does say that. But i think they probably just say that to be safe. I did have my phone in there for a while. Hole with me this morning. Then i was like. Oh yeah phone. So i took it out but the unit that i have people are like where would i put it in my house. I haven't in a corner of my garage that it fits in perfectly. We did have to have a new circuit. Put in. I was gonna ask about that. It's like one hundred bucks. It was not expensive. Our really who installed a our electricity we just called in he was doing. Some other workforce for like. Hey do you know how to do this. He's like yeah. Be very easy. We just did it and it was very easy for him to do it. So i just need a special plug for it. You can have it done in a spare bedroom or they can even go outside but you have to cover it with a special cover that they selves the longevity of it outside i feel like it's an investment. I wanna have protected but you can put them outside. This is so exciting it so exciting. I just really can't believe how much i love it. I'd like to hot. I was so excited. I was like i know when she gets it. She's going to go at it and she's like love it. I think it's not exactly what you anticipate is not this miserable like sweaty like discussing. It's like the most pleasant feeling with so many health benefits. And like i said. I think it pairs really well fasting. So i think too and you know i'm doing it in the fasted states i feel like it's accelerating. I don't know that maybe it doesn't but it feels like it would be add to that point because people often wonder about the metabolic benefits and like weight loss. And things like that. It actually does burn a substantial amount of calories by heating up your body and most of the quote weight loss is temporary in its water but it actually can support weight loss as well. You can wear your ring in there in case listeners are wondering so. I'm just so happy right now so happy for you and for listeners. If you'd like to get your own sunlight insana. I promise you will not look back. It will be one of the best decisions you've ever made and we do have a link for listeners to the podcast dot com slash suddenly -tan and uc coupon code. I have podcast. There's some sort of discount that you will get at that link so that's pretty awesome. I can't recommend it highly enough. I'm so happy. I am so happy. My house was built in. Nineteen seventy nine. So i don't know why we had this little section in the garage maybe through suck a heating duct work in there have no idea. But there's this one little section where the ceiling is a little bit lowered and my son is exactly the right size to go in that section. I look exactly the height of it was perfect. It looks like it was designed for a song together was the seventies. They were wacky. Maybe it was. Maybe it would have been probably a traditional sauna. That's oh that's the other thing that i love about the emphasis on is it's like self cleaning in a way. 'cause like traditional heat saunas can have a problem about mold growing in them. The infrared saunas it. Pretty much take care of themselves. They're very low maintenance for cleaning which is really really awesome. Yeah so i feel like i'm slowly pulling you into all the bio hex. We'll be easy ones. Oh and i started the zoe eating from the predict. Three study Zoe up Just eating a lot of beans beans and vegetables. Mostly how do you feel. I felt so fantastic really cool. Yeah it's it's really really hard to because my body clears fats poorly. You know not surprised about. But it's that's the only part for me is like i can have meals at score a one hundred as far as because it matches what my gut microbiome does well with what foods are good for me but if i because i have an eating window if i stat. Too many things in it. My body doesn't have time to clear the fat and my score goes down because of the like avocados and eggs for example. They're great for me. But if i can't have too much of it close together at bill hard part that would make sense. Yeah on super bombed that my body clears fat slowly. But so not surprised. I'm sure like. I would bet that my does clear slowly as well. I have a question for you. It didn't test your fat clearance in a non paired with carbohydrates situation They were separate the two different muffins. And i'm not sure what the ratio the macro nutrient ratio of each month and was so. I can't tell you that. But i know that one month and was a high sugar muffin with low fat and the other muffin was a high fat muffin with lower carbs track. How your body cleared the fat after the high fat muffin. Like i wonder if they did. The same passed on you. If you were doing a ketogenic diet if it would be the same well. I will tell you that i felt terrible all the time when i did kito like it was inflammatory for me in this one. Explain why you know they. They talk about in their research. That if your body clears fat slowly too much fat as inflammatory for you. And that was like a light bulb of why i felt so inflamed on kito like will that make sense so interesting but it's very high and like i said fruits and veggies wealth. I could eat fruits but vegetables. Lots and lots of vegetables and i'm eating so many beans. I'm just thinking about put digestive distress. I would have. Yeah great my body's like bring on me. That's so funny. I have one really quick update for listeners. I think it will be released by the time. This comes out most likely. I should have recently just released update to my app speaking of food digestive issues um my food. Since guide it did have eleven potentially problematic compounds that people react to in over three hundred plus foods so things like thaad maps and histamine and oscillates electons and gluten and all the stuff and i just added a ip which is autoimmune paleo. So people do that that approach so basically now it says for each food if it is on the ip protocol or not awesome so very excited working still with your son's friend on that he does my updates. I actually saw nate over the christmas. Holidays is so lovely and nights dog. I saw him from a distance. He waved at me actually distanced. They played frisbee in the front yard with their masks on a really responsible. Are you a little stressed out. I know for me even with all of my stress hacks. Meditation workout diet exercise. All of my biohacking gadgets. Sometimes it still feels like. I m stressed at the cellular level. That's really the only way. 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Yes let's get started all right so to start things off. We have a mostly feedback but with one question it is from krisha. The subject is what a life hack and krisha says. My name is krisha in. That is pronounced crease. She says i was introduced to af. In march of two thousand nineteen by my fiance and just like the majority of the population. I was unhappy with my body. I'm five foot tall. And i weighed one hundred sixty prior to starting in february of two thousand nineteen. I was put on finna fiber by my physician for my triglycerides. Were in the four hundred range. I was also re diabetic. Both of these conditions run in both sides of my family combined with a poor diet. I was set to fail. I've been an intimate and faster. Since march of two thousand nineteen at my life was forever changed. My goal was to lose fifty pounds. And i did. I lost five pounds and ten months doing sixteen eight for the first three months which was the adjusting period. I remember hitting a plateau. And i took that as my body signal to change things up a bit so a combined twenty four and one meal a day depending on my schedule and the activities i had planned after being fully adjusted to i f. After the first three months. I noticed that my body was craving high-protein medium fat low carb items. My attitude towards food changed. I do not look at food. The same way as i did before incorporated intermittent fasting into my life. I listened to my body and honored its wishes december of two thousand nineteen right before the holidays is what i hit my goal. I cannot believe that. I was capable of losing fifty pounds. When i couldn't even lose ten pounds in the past without getting it back plus some. I was so proud of myself. The weight loss was the cherry on top. I found your podcast around october. Two thousand nineteen and guys have helped change my life after finding your podcast. I got interested in biohacking. That's me and did my own research. I was so fascinated by you guys all the health benefits that you talk about. How the podcast. So i applied everything. I learned from you to and from doing my own research into my life after my weight loss. My physician took me off of fify breath for scheduled physical and my triglycerides were normal. I was no longer in the pre diabetic range. And my ibs. C. medication was also fully stopped by the fifth month of af. Since i no longer needed it for regularity my mood mindset and attitude was also improved by fifty fold by no longer get frequent migraines and i feel one with myself. The purpose of this email is to tell you my story to show gratitude. You're changing lives. Just like how you to helped change mine. The one interest. I have is three part of an intermittent fasting study. Do you guys know how can go about this. Everyone needs to know what intermittent fasting is and we need to conduct more research about a topic g to really educate the community. Thank you guys in the attach photos to show the changes that she experienced. So i really really loved this email. I loved it to tina. How listeners can join studies. Are you going to tell me no the way you said. It sounded like i know the answer. I have no idea if you have connections at your research town. Where they're doing. I don't know like like for example. The predict to study was word of mouth. I don't even know who. I told me that they were doing it. Might and my friends sherry that co host. The podcast life lessons with me but somebody was like oh look. They're looking for people to do the predict to study. I think word of mouth is one way a lot of these things spread through communities. So i often see studies come across my emails occasionally actually the other day got one from my health insurance or no no no i think it was from quest or labcorp. I think it was quest where you get blood draws so i'm on their email list and they sent out a thing where you could sign up to be in their pool for studies. I usually don't qualify for most of them because a lot of times it's like you can't have had when they're like got related. It's like you can't have had like digestive issues or things like that. I'm like well. That's not me so i will put links in the show notes because there are some websites that you can go on and you can sign up to potentially be matched to studies so upset links in the show. Notes to some of those links we. How did you say jim that you got the predict study. Well i know that we were talking about it in the vast fasting group and i think it might have been my friend sherry. I don't know how she found out about it but somebody was like look. They're looking for people to do this. Study but i think it gets passed around sometimes an interested communities like i feel like if there was an intermittent fasting study looking for participants that we would know in our communities for example like just briefly. Googling and i can't really i haven't used these so i can't speak to you know if they're good sources or not but like there's there's a website called research match dot org that will match you to studies. There's a website called antidote. Dopp that will match you to studies. If you just google like how to join research sense there are quite a few websites that pop up so that might be good way to go. I would actually love to hear from listeners. I wonder if any of our listeners have been in any of the intermittent fasting time restricted eating studies. That would be interesting. I wonder what they told them to drink. I'm always so curious. yes listeners. if you've been in one police raid in and tell us. I'm dying to know what that was like. So hopefully that's helpful all right. Are we ready to go on. Gets okay we have a question from francesca and the subject is or a ring. She says i wanted to know what you thought of the oral ring on debating whether or not to buy one and read conflicting opinions and views about its degree of usefulness. I tried looking through your podcasts. To see at the titles mention them but there are so many i have really been working on improving my sleep. I wear blue blocking glasses after dinner have a weighted blanket. Where asleep mask and keep my room cool. I still tend to wake up a lot. I recently started using the nutrients. See gm and i have high blood glucose levels during the night even after they have been low all day even when i stop eating by six pm though they are somewhat lower. When i do they still will go up into the one twenty during the night. Even though when i go to bed it will be in the nineties. I go to bed around ten pm. I eat low carb. Thirty to fifty grams. Moderate fat eighty to one hundred grams and higher protein. One hundred and thirty grams is i- instill looking to lose ten pounds and i lift heavyweights to build muscle. I also do. H i t do you have some information. As to why blood glucose levels can rise so much at night. By the way. I enjoy your podcasts and have learned many useful things to help me with my i f lifestyle that i've been doing on and off for two years mostly on the best tip i picked up was not too long ago when it was brought out in your podcast that just the taste of something sweet even stevia could spike insulin as the body anticipates food will be arriving. I usually drink tea and coffee with stevia while fasting. now i'm trying to forego the stevia and have noticed. I have much less on my fasts. Thanks so much. Alright thanks so much. Francesca for your questions. So a few things to touch on so actually on our website. Podcast dot com. You don't have to go through. Look you're all the titles. There's actually a search bar at the top especially now that we have transcripts in all the show notes if you search in the search bar it'll pull up specific episodes that talk about it and like i said because we have the transcripts now it really should pull off if we ever talked about it while we only started the transcripts sort of recently so that it only search the transcripts for the past few probably months or so but we haven't talked about ordering a lot and that's because i just recently got one but oh my goodness obsessed with it up lincoln the show notes because it will have aired by the time this episode comes out the interview that did with the founder harpreet ri- but i actually really really recommend it. I was really hesitant to get one for the longest time. Because i'm hesitant about information overload. And i didn't want something telling me all the time like if i was failing i didn't always be so aware everything all the time. And get all in my head about my health biomarkers because basically or ring measures your sleep cycles your heart rate or heart rate variability your by temperature your respiration your activity levels but actually and this is what i talked about in the interview with the founder. It is so comforting in the way that it talks to you like it basically just gives you the information about your body and makes recommendations for how to just had a tackle your day how to make yourself better when you should rest when you should go harder. It's very empowering. That's how i would describe it like if you are a night person like me. It's not going to try to force you to become a morning owl. It's going to recommend that you go to bed at times. That are actually pretty late. Which is like really exciting. Mind tells me that i should go to bed at like one thirty. Am yet knows it knows. Yeah i think the software is designed to like if it thinks you should be going to bed earlier. i think it will try to like gradually nudge. You there by like slowly and encourage you to go to bed earlier and earlier. But i'm pretty sure my ordering is never gonna tell me to go to bed like ten pm so long story short i i really recommend it jen. Maybe can try one someday. Maybe maybe when they come up with a like a smaller one. I don't i don't like big rings. It's big and his big. My friend sherry has one that was here kept staring at hers. Try that i forgot. I mean i don't even really think about it but people do ask me about it a lot like what is that like does it. Look that street. I guess so. I don't think it looks strange. I think it's also the way my fingers are shaped. Like i have kinda short stubby fingers and they don't look good with chunky rings. So i i you know how some fingers looked terrible with certain kind of rings. It looks too weird on my hand that makes sense. Yeah i've short abi hands. He said in the future they might. I'm really excited. My start partnering with some jewelry companies to make like random ones are. I could get han that yes for listeners. Lincoln the show notes to the interview. That i did with the founder. Oh that wasn't meant to mention at the beginning of the episode. And i thought about this with her questions about the gm. I released this week. That jenin. I are recording my interview with dr benjamin beckmann all about insulin. I knew it was a good interview. But i'm alone away by the response to it. They matter feedback. I'm getting from listeners. Just obsessed like so. Many people told me they listened to it multiple times that they've gone on the website and read the transcript that the immediately bought his book so for listeners. that are interested in insulin. That comes up all the time on this. Show definitely check out that interview. It's two hours. But it's like all things insulin so that's really great and then the nutrition see gm so that continuous glucose monitor. That is something that a lot of people seem to experience when they get the. Gm is surprises and what their blood sugars doing but they might not have anticipated. So i've actually. I don't know if it was. Francesca who asked us exact question in my group or on my instagram. But somebody asked me this exact question really recently but was i think it was a different listener but a lot of people have this as well where they get the the rising blood sugars in the evening like while sleeping. It's hard to because there could be a lot of things causing that could be a hormonal thing. I mean feeling most likely by opinion. Probably a hormonal thing. My suggestion though would really just be to play around with your. This is not like specific but play around with your eating window and what you're eating and see how it affects things also focusing on your sleep but it sounds like she's doing a lot to work on her sleep like to just the way blanket the sleep mask and the room cool. She says he intends to wake up a lot. So could be asleep issue so really just anything you can do to continue to support your sleep and then play around the food and the timing and see what happens like it. Sounds like she's an experimental turnpike myself. So i will also put a link in the show notes to the interview that i did with the founder of nature sense. Kara collier because we did a really deep dive into cgm's that was a lot of information. Jin tuna jump in now. I think that's great. It is so interesting now that we have. Cgm's i mean people were not measuring their blood glucose all night long. I mean people just aren't doing it. People didn't know what it was doing. And so now we're we're seeing it. It's hard to know what's normal. Do you know what i'm saying. I i started using it. I was surprised by the the very severe drops blood sugar that i was getting. And that's what. I was talking with another gm at levels about it and they were saying. There's not actually like a lot of literature or studies on like we don't actually know what is normal for nighttime plus sugar levels. So it's what you just said you because you now i'm just thinking about it. When would they have been testing. People's blood sugar well not continuously during the night while you're sleeping. I think if there are surprises. I'm not one hundred percents. Certain about this but just for my conversation with tom levels. It seems like it's likely that if it does tend to be not what we expect that people's levels mic drop lower. That's what mine did mine lower than than i thought it should or would or was like. Wow that's a surprise. So that's sort of the opposite problem that francesca's experiencing by the so definitely play around with things and see what happens and definitely feel free to report back by will say though. She says it goes up to the one twenties which it's hours and hours after she's eaten which is kind of weird that it's going up that high but that's not crazily high and she's meeting carb. Yeah which makes me think. Maybe it's a cortisol thing because cortisol increases blood sugar in interferes with sleep and she has trouble sleeping so it could be that. Your cortisol is spiking at night. Raising your blood sugar waking you up. A lot of people find who are doing lucar carbs that they sleep better because of how it hormonally affects them. So i know you really. You really liking doing the lower carb approach but you might want to consider either trying like ups cyclical kito so having with a carbon day or trying like a hire car lower vat approach all right good stuff one last thing also. She's doing a lot of exercise too so she's doing a lot so he might actually benefit from some carbs. That's what i'm thinking. Maybe so yeah all right so we have a question. From vicki. the subject is ironman training and vicky says i love your podcast and really enjoy listening to it. On my long runs i currently. I'm doing a eighteen six. Most days i get up and ride my trainer from three ten. Am to four am my goodness sorry. This is just me three ten and that's so early. She says i am at work at four forty and i'm off at one or two. I work at trader joe's so i'm always active in january. I will start ironman training again. Which means an addition to my short workout in the morning. I'll be running riding or swimming for two hours. After work and one day a week will be writing for five or six hours and a long run fifteen plus miles one day a week. I've done seven ironman distances. So i am not new to the training but i am new to i f during training and i'm really not trying to lose weight as i am five. Four hundred and twenty five pounce. Any suggestions should eat something small before my afternoon workout. Maybe shorten my fasting to sixteen eight. I'm not really sure. I can ride six hours. Losing lots of fluids with nothing but water maybe take that day off. I really love all the benefits of f. But i'm not sure how going to make it work while training. I would love your thoughts and if you do address this please let me know what episode as i am only on episode nineteen. Thank you so much. Ladies are fabulous. I will speak really quickly to her last thing. We don't email after when we have your question on the show. So i'm sorry you have to. You have to keep listening to save if the question comes on so hopefully they'll vicky hurt this all right. So i have an episode of intermittent fasting stories for people to listen to if they're interested in long distance endurance athletes who do intermittent fasting. I interviewed someone named the glick for episode one hundred and twenty one. So if you just go to google and type in intermittent fasting stories episode twenty one or intermittent fasting stories lisa glick. Either of those will take you to where you can find or you can go to any podcast app. Find episode one twenty one in lisa talks about how she trains and runs and how intermittent fasting fits in with all of that you know she basically has found that she has better endurance and a recovery. Time is better. Thanks to intermittent. Fasting says she talks about how she makes it work so listen to that episode. So what does she do. I can't recall exactly step by step. That episode came out in november twelfth. And means i talked to her in about probably august or september. So i remember that. She talked about what she does. But i can't tell you specifically exactly he remember if she like lengthened her window or anything like that. I know that she does not use the goo and things like that. She does not use stuff like that she runs. Works out in the fasted state. Okay awesome. I will speak really quickly to the fluids. If vicki is looking for electrolytes. I really really recommend and i don't know when this episode is coming out. We probably still have a code with them for. I'm pretty sure we will. Rob wolf makes element which is electrolyte mix and their unflavored. One is completely clean fast approved. It's just electrolytes and water and it was specifically calculated to address. Electrolyte needs for people. Fasting or on ketogenic diets. Really really recommend this offer ended yesterday but hopefully still up. I think it might be. I'm going to see if i can get it. Extended for february but the link is drink element dot com d. r. i. n. k. l. m. n. t. dot com forward slash. Podcast at least in january. You get a free sampler pack which included eight packets of element to raw flavored. That's the one that's clean. Fast friendly to citrus. To raspberry into orange by the way the citrus one apparently is really great for margaritas as a mix and also just pay five dollars shipping. You get that all free and if you don't like it they'll also refunding the shipping. If that offer is not so going. I'm sure there's probably gonna be some sort of offer at that linked definitely something to try and then just mine thoughts about it. Is i definitely think. Iron man or really intense marathons and all these athletic endeavors can be paired with fasting. I think fasting is really supportive to these type of things because of the fat burning state that you are put into so. I think most people don't need to pre fuel with food. That said i think if you doing that it a lot of people probably will benefit. What vicky was thinking extending the eating window you might find is just not possible in one meal a day to adequately support yourself based on your own personal needs and then also. This is a little bit i. I don't know if this controversial. But i do know a lot of people in the kito gains community. When they're doing really intense specific training they actually will take a tiny bit of like pure dextrose before so. I can't really speak to that but if you go on. Facebook enjoying the kito gains facebook group. There's a lot of time in there about that. And that's if you're specifically ketogenic. I think also actually really recommend seem lands book stronger by stress. He has a really. I think it's one that has a really good overview one of his books. I'm pretty sure that one did had a really good overview of how to you know with training and muscle building and different things. How to work without with fasting so yes. We can links to all of those resources in the show notes. But i think the biggest like just a dea tackle is that you can definitely do stuff fasted but you might need to adjust your eating window and everything surrounding it and your car levels definitely wanna make sure that you're taking care of electrolytes and you can figure out what feels right to you. Listen to lisa clicks episode. See what she does tinker around with what you're doing too. I mean maybe what works for. Lisa is gonna feel wrong for you. It's just you know. You got to say also. I am just supernova vicki. I was reading that question. I was like oh my goodness just so much so awesome friends. I have a story for you. I recently got septa. Pastilles to fix deviated septum so that i could breathe better and in the recovery period. You're not supposed to wear glasses. Oh my goodness. 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In such an enjoyable way. I'm so glad. I stumbled into the i f lifestyle. I listened to episode one hundred and forty nine on fructose and upon your recommendation. Listen to peter. A tia's interview with rick johnson. So much good info but i was curious about your thoughts on his comparison between coke diet coke. His personal recommendation including his choice for his own. Children is diet soda over regular soda. This surprised me. We are a fairly anti sugar family. We limit and restrict sweets and take as much as possible while still enjoying holidays and birthdays at parties are children cheesecake as they understand. It's a treat or an indulgence. But on the off. Chance that we indulge. I like to choose the best option possible. I was surprised to hear a doctor. Preferred the diet product. I would think that all those sugar is not ideal. It is still a more natural option than aspartame. Your thoughts he also compares maple syrup the high fructose corn syrup. I thought it would be a more natural sweetener. Therefore a better option for sweetening or baking. Do you have an opinion on honey. Basically i want to educate my children but still give them treats now and again but with the best possible options. I would love your thoughts on different. Sweetener options used for baking special occasions or heaven forbid everyday use. Thanks in advance for your time. All the best both. Thanks sam tough. Alright sam so thanks so much for your question. So rick johnson. He is one of the major figures really in the anti fructose movement and so he's very much not a fan of cryptos. It's like never eat fruit. Also yeah he's not a fan of fruit much either. I actually really do want to interview him. Because i'm like seriously. I don't know why. I'm so like obsessed with fructose in fruit. Like think about it way more than i should. I feel like the fructose studies. Are i don't know i want to read his book and interview. 'em and flesh out some of his thoughts but it's been a while since i've listened to that interview but i think i do remember him talking about that so i'm just gonna tell you my personal thoughts and everything and then you can do it resonates with you in general. I think that i'm not a fan of artificial sweeteners at all. did today. a lot of reasons artificial sweeteners. i'm not including in that stevia or mock fruits. I'm also not actually including like xylitol or Tall i'm talking about aspertain saccharin nutrasweet is aspartame. Splendor is what is that. One sucralose yes. It's a grillo and saccharin so those three. I'm not a fan of i. Think the biggest problem with what they do got microbiome potentially and just how the process by the body. They're not natural. They tell your body that sweets coming in. but then you're not eating sweet so it's kind of fusing. I just do not advocate those at all. Yeah i agree to the point that there are very few things that i will not put into my body and if i know something has aspartame or sucralose i will not put it into my body. I'll eat a dorito. But i will not drink a diet soda. There's only i'm not advocating this. 'cause i don't think it's the ideal option the only time i would shoot if i was like forced like for some reason the only time i would choose. Maybe the like artificial sweetener over sugar would be if i had just eaten a super super high fat diet. Maybe i was trying to do kito. I was like eating all the fat. And i was like i just need something sweet and i had to choose between something with sugar or something with an artificial sweetener. I think in that situation. I might choose an artificial sweetener. Just because i'm super concerned about combining all of that fat and sugar at the same time either way they're not ideal and if that case hopefully i would choose something like stevie are fruit in the eating window. I actually don't personally really eats. Dvr amman fruit or xylitol earth tall for some people they can work as far as like honey and maple syrup and things like that. If i had to choose something to sweeten food with i would choose. Sweetening it with honey. Maple syrup coconut sugar. Especially if it was like a baked good situation where you're making you know you're out and that's what she's asking you know about you know making treats and things like that. It's definitely what i would choose and right. now. I'm reading terry. Walls book was in her book. Well some book that is reading really recently was actually talking about the potential benefits of maple syrup. I don't remember if it was an raw honey. Yep i eat raw honey. When it comes to honey there actually are potentially a lot of benefits to honey. And i think it depends on manuka. Honey yuga hunting has potentially a ton of benefits. Most honey most quote normal honey gets its benefits from the way that it creates hydrogen peroxide. I think which is like kind of like an antiseptic in your body. Took me like antiviral and antifungal manuka honey. In addition to that actually has some sort of property that also does all that stuff. But it's not by the hydrogen peroxide. That's why it's called the like. What is it. Like the non hydrogen peroxide potential. It's called the the non peroxide antibacterial activity. Which i think is kind of funny. So yeah basically everything. I would choose when baking and things like that honey in the maple syrup coconut sugar. I would just avoid artificial sweeteners at all costs. If you wanna go the sweet route that doesn't have actual sugar. I would choose not while fasting but in the eating window i would choose. Stevia monk fruits potentially array tall zeiler tall those last two can create gi distress some people. Oh yes the sugar alcohols. Yes oh yeah. But some people tolerate them really well so and especially baking. I think they can be subbed out one of them either. Both of them are one of them is like a one-to-one to one set out for sugar. I think it wall is tall. Yeah there's also like some blends that are like earth Tall monk fruit And there's a lot of different. If you've got a whole foods there's an array of options. So i think it's really just about finding what works for you and also that you might find the benefit of if you're baking you know having some of the honey and maple syrup but then maybe also getting some of the sweet potential by baking with substitutes as well. I'm just so haunted by this fructose question. I think. I think because the repeat people are so pro. Fructose and i'm like opposite ideas. I just have a really hard time with anybody who claims that real foods are like so terrible fruit. I i have a really hard time with the claim that humans are not supposed to eat fruit or any other real food that people have been eating for thousands of years. And i have a really hard time with that. Maybe in the modern world where everything is crazy but i mean. There's a lot of difference between high fructose corn syrup and an apple huge difference. There are so many comments reading something today and it talked about we know about vitamins. We know about certain phytochemicals. We know about certain things and foods but we know so little about. What's really in that apple. That's good for us like we have an isolated and identified all the things there are thousands of of compounds in that apple that are doing things in our bodies that are positive. And so you can't like well that's compound is one goodwin and that's the one bad one and no it's know synergistic. It works together. Dr fung says it won't be a bcc code. He says the antidote is packed in there with it. You're the antidote to the poison. So your body knows what to do with the whole apple whereas if you just give it high fructose corn syrup your body's like what is this nonsense. I think probably the reason that fruit get so demonized is because the studies on high fructose corn syrup are i mean what it does is really really terrible so i think it's really easy to want to extend that to fruit because we think fruit fructose. But it's just not the same and real food for him. I have not found sydney one. If you find one. I have knocked down. Two studies showing problems with fruit like in. Its natural form to be honest. If i was going to give something to my child right now in twenty twenty one. If i had a kid over and wanted to give them a soda. I would actually choose instead. Just give like sparkling water with you like a flavored sparkling water. They have so many of those. Now you know good high-quality or something like that non alcoholic one. well definitely. I would not choose an alcoholic compete. But i think there's so many things like that you can give them. I would not give them either. Regular coke or a diet coke if i absolutely wanted to give them something like a coke it would be like a mexican coke because they have real sugar corn syrup the repeat people there actually really pro fuelling on sugar so they actually drink. Like mexican coke pepsi throwback. I don't even know if they still make that. But it was pepsi throwback and you could buy it everywhere and it was made with real sugar. I bought that for years. I haven't bought it in years now though for a period of time. That's what i that's what i chose. When i wanted to have a soda pepsi throwback i remember listening to that interview with rick johnson and one of the most fascinating takeaways that i took from it was. That's where i learned that. Fructose is the only shergar that actually cost calories to us because it has to be converted to something and then converted again. And then there's like there's like an energy loss in that process which was really interesting. Which i remember. He said that and i was like well. That makes me feel like a really high fruit diet like the way to go. Especially if it's real free. You're the whole fruit. I think i think that's important. That's another thing. I got out of the obesity code. Eat the whole fruit. There was also something about like if you just immediately burned sugar or carbs. It releases provides x amount of energy. But if you convert it to agenda and then burnt it later both of those conversion processes firm energy to do take or energy that makes sense. But yeah i actually use maple syrup and honey in baking. Bread recipe has honey in it. He's real honey. And i made these amazing pecan bars for by the way. How do you say that. I bet you say pecan said dr yes yeah. I began bars. That were sweetened with maple syrup over the holidays. They were so good. They were unlike of shortbread crust Instead of like a pie it was like it was like pecan pie but instead it was bars and it was on shortbread crossed with maple syrup. instead of corn syrup. lots and lots of begins. It was absolutely delicious. I'm just searching through terry walls this book. I don't think it was in her books. So i don't want to misquote her. I don't remember. It was something i was reading recently about. Maple syrup is probably gonna come to me once we hang up but it was some unique benefit in it. I will say that christmas morning. We were at my dad's and my stepmother had made breakfast and she had this orange juice and one of my nieces was like this. Orange juice tastes really different. And i'll tasted chad. Had some and i tasted it and i was like. Oh my god what's wrong with this juice and it was like the diet kinda jason. It was sweetened with artificial sweeteners. As like ad they may. Yeah so it was orange juice. Do take out the sugar and add in. I don't know what they do but it was like diet. Orange juice i got. It tasted like poison. That is crazy. I don't drink orange juice. We don't have it in the house. But like for example. If i was really sick when i'm sick i crave orange juice geeing. It's vitamin c. Probably i crave orange juice with pulp. So like if. I had a sore throat. I would send chad to the grocery store to get like a high quality orange juice but the pulp in it and i would just drink it. That just makes me feel so much better but that stuff it was like orange watery grossness with artificial something. I think we talked about this before. What the one crew that like. I loathe is it. Oranges like instant headache. Like cannot even aren't just give you a headache. I don't remember that. I i literally i remember growing up. I didn't understand how people could eat oranges. Because you know when you're a kid you feel like if you're reaction that way other people must react that way so it was like his headaches like instant headache. If i think about an inch about orange right now and i'm getting a headache. It must be some compound in at that. My body hates. It must be loads. Oh i thought. I thought what i was gonna say really quick iva theory that i wanna share with you. Okay never me. But i'm wondering if this is the case so often. I will see not all the time but i have seen people report in. Somebody reported this. My facebook the other day which bought made me think of it. Sometimes you will do like whole foods diets and they'll feel like they are ever really satisfied and then the like been john like conventional food. They'll feel full for the first time. Have you seen that. I i see that a lot now. So you're saying that they switch over to a whole foods diet. They don't feel satisfied. They don't even have to bench but they'll eat like usually it's a flour base thing like cake or cookies or something and then they'll feel full. I wonder if if someone has if they're limiting natural starches like for example for me. You know i talked about that. I'm doing the zoe from predict three. I'm eating according to my recommendations. If i don't eat something starchy feel satisfied beings. That's why meeting seventy beans. Because i feel so full from beans but if i were eating everything else but no beans. I think i'd be hungry. So i'll have to see 'cause i wonder i feel like sometimes it's also happens with people who are eating like sweet potatoes and stuff like that so it could be that. Might my initial theory used to always be that. It was like a response saying like. Maybe they're doing low car and then they have this high car like flowery type thing you know. They finally feel full. So it's like a an insulin. An stress response thing. But i was thinking about it. I wonder if it's because flour is fortified with vitamins. And maybe if sometimes were not absorbing like nutrients were not getting enough nutrients and may be that that high dose of vitamins and other synthetic in a concentrated form. I wonder if that hit temporarily makes you feel full like nobody's ever brought this up. But i was just thinking about it but maybe that's the case the vitamins That enter the interesting theory fortified foods. I don't know. I am very skeptical about the fortification itself of those things. Because i'm not good quality fortification what i'm saying. I'm not sure our bodies can really absorb. I don't think it's a good thing at all. Like i don't know that like your body's like the vitamins and nutrients i was looking for. I'm not sure those are well absorbed and utilized. I'm just wondering if maybe sometimes if people been following a whole foods diet for a long time if they're lacking in one one of the vitamins and at their bodies really craving vitamin if there is the potential that when they eat this like flowery food that they are actually because of like got issues and like nutrient depletion of modern food if just able to temporarily like maybe absorbed that item in and they get. That definitely is filling some kind of avoid. Obviously but for me. It's that that my body has to have starches for society like i have to and the starchy beans by the way. Guess how many grams of fiber eight yesterday you know. I hate to count anything but you have to put in the app to get your score. Would you have any grams of fiber eight. It's probably the grams of protein. That i just like two hundred seventy three. But that's like i was like i wonder what the recommendation i don't know. So the recommendation is like thirty five and it's like be cautious. If you go over seventy that can be too much five. I wonder how much high eat every day. Because i eat so much fruit. I feel like. I probably like forty. Or fifty seventy three. I seventy three grams of fiber yesterday. So i had lentils at one point then later i had black beans i. We are so different. Yeah i feel so full and satisfied. That's that's really important. It's weird you know. I'm not having because my body doesn't clear the fat well. So i'm not having you know i would normally throw some cheese and some sour cream on there. But though he's like. Neptune much fat mcginnis is that app. Is it just for the study or is it for anybody. Can anybody download it. You have to have done the study. Cause that's how it is. Yeah because it doesn't know what. What recommend i it's it's personalized me. And that's what's so interesting. You know a bunch of the moderators have done it. As well and we're comparing our scores in their different like my score for an avocado might be different than my friend. Roxy score for an avocado or it also how much fat. My body can handle is different than how much 'cause roxy is she clears fat. Well says she gets different scores. She can put more avocado and eggs. And whatever on her. Whatever it is. She's eating than i can. And i can eat it i can. I can eat it. It's just a matter of the way. I combine it and stack it till like last night. I was having black beans and i wanted to put a avocado on top. But and the meal scored high but when i put it into the my day it lowered my whole day score because it was too much fat all-stock together so i had to go in and instead of a whole avocado i just ate half of the avocado and then it was higher. Have you had nutritional yeast. i have. That's why i thought about the fortified thing. Because i recently bought it and i am bologne away. You feel good eating it. While yes no the thing i'm blown away by is the the nutrient panel but i just blown. This is like the highest source of all of vitamins. That i think i've ever. I feel like it might be. I think it might be the most nutrient dense foods that there is now that i think about it. I might research. This is just like vitamins. That's all it is. It's like these great tips. Really add the great like mommy kind of flavored thing to divine yup. I had it recently. When when kallon kate were here. You know. kate's vegetarian one of the meals. That i got from green chef was a vegetarian meal and the nutritional yeast was in something. It's been making me feel like a lot fuller. The thing is i feel like a little bit of brain fog from it. I know it's a de-activated east so it's not like can either or anything like that. People can still react to it if it were an activist and i feel like it might give me a little bit of brain fog but i will say for listeners. Alpine link in the show notes to the brand. That i've been buying because you want to make sure that you don't get the fortified version because most nutritional east like almost all of it is fortified because it's basically super high. And like i said so. I'm blown away like all the b-vitamins except Iron molybdenum selena like one serving is like forty percent of your iron. It's crazy but they're usually fortified with b twelve because they want it to be a complete be supplement thing for vegans and i really really don't recommend fortification twelve Which is full of acid. Because it's not properly used by the body. It can interfere with their own use of b twelve a full late so there's two brands early like one is sar while the random like asari up to it in the show notes. Sorry tangent. That's why. I thought that maybe there was something to do with vitamins and fortified foods. Maybe that's an interesting theory. I don't know. I just know that. If i don't get starch like i just can't be satisfied. Have you seen hamilton. I have not done. We said that before on have not seen him. I don't like musicals. I know there's a song called satisfied. Well this has been absolutely wonderful so if you things for listeners before we go the show notes with you'll have a full transcript will be at podcast dot com slash episode. One ninety eight. You can submit your own questions to the podcast just i a- podcasts dot com and submit questions there or you can directly email questions at aia. Podcasts dot com. Follow us on instagram. I saw that. Jen put a picture of her sauna on instagram. I am about to upload today a video. I'm gonna do a video on how to do breathing. So i am loving instagram sofa. On seeking follow us there by our names. And i think that is everything anything from eugen before we go nope. I think that's alright. Well i will talk to you next week. All right bye bye bye. 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WA State Patrol investigates incidents of people throwing at vehicles

KUOW Newsroom

01:04 min | 3 months ago

WA State Patrol investigates incidents of people throwing at vehicles

"This is komo w news. Kim malcolm in seattle. The washington state patrol is investigating reports of people throwing rocks onto interstate highways in seattle. As kyw's radio reports the agency says one rock insured a driver on monday night. The washington state patrol has received seventy four reports of people throwing rocks onto i five and i ninety in seattle this year but patrol spokesperson rick. Johnson says monday's incident was possibly the most serious troopers responded to a report of a car hitting the barrier to scott. They quickly realized that the collision was subsequent to a rock coming to the windshield striking. The driver causing a pretty good laceration is what the trooper said. Johnson says one person has been arrested so far this year for throwing an object on the roadway the state patrol is hoping to catch rock-throwers with traffic cameras and officers stationed near previous incidents. Amy radel k. u. o. w. news.

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Guest: Bob Rathkamp

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

1:27:32 hr | 6 months ago

Guest: Bob Rathkamp

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I think or something so altogether. Wise flaw motorsport dot com. Got it going on all right. Thanks to you for listening. And thanks to bob for the time for this podcast. Here's bob rabkin all right now. People as promised on the fly racing racer x podcast presented by the folks at maxis doll kkob links motorsport dot com the president of garner. Usa a friend of mine over the years and a gentleman. I'm looking forward to really talking to bob rath camp. What's up man. Hey steve how are you pleasure to be on the On the famous papa. Podcast here now. I people have asked me to do with you over the years. And i always hit them back with like no. No no we did it. We did it we did. And then i couldn't find it. And i just assume that we lost the file so then i did a bit more digging and it turns out. I talked to you in an interview on the phone. Just like this. And i transcribed it for pulp. Mix but we've actually never done one like a podcast so this is the first one so there we go well right on official first one then exactly so all right. How's things that garnered usa. How's everything going well in spite of the last year with all the covid craziness factory closures and and all of the above. I mean You know we're we're doing pretty good. Of course like the cove it as affected the pipeline and our factory was closed for three months. And now you know getting going again. Yup you know. Just the supply chain has been a little bit of a drag and some of the countries that have been placed orders last year. Now everybody's going man we're out of boots so we need. We need boots and so the lead times of pushed back. And then you know just all the other stuff. I was talking to Ronnie lachine yesterday and i. I don't know what they're bringing in. But he said they've got ships out you know the can't get into the to the docks tongue load so i think you know one one thing after another but but you know it's going and it's going better. We're going in a positive direction. I went to florida which. I'm sure you were there and At least we've got racing going and we've got people in the stands and and try to move forward. So yeah it's it's as i've said many times. The folks western power sports buddies of mine and the folks alpine stars your competitor all these people and as bad as this pandemic has been for so many families and so many people and unemployment levels are high in the power sports industry. Bicycle industry people are at home. People were getting out. People wanted to do something and it was a boon for sale. So i don't envy your position though bob because you have to sit back and you know get from italy or from italy what you think your cell what you think will will will will move and then you have to think about how much of that is pandemic related. How much of that is. Just people discovering motorcycles. So good luck with that. Yeah well thanks dad. And then kinda crazy you know. In the beginning they you know. It was pretty. Doom and gloom so A year ago in march you know things just stopped and we were like is this it. Is this going to be you know. And then i guess We started to see it end of end of april. Things started coming back and like you said You know families are sitting in the house. Go and we gotta do something so guess what started selling and little bike started selling. I mean we've been scratching our heads for years going. How do we get. Kids introduced motorcycles. Like when we all grew up every everybody had a a bike of some sort and they're tearing around the neighborhood or the fields are the gravel pits and and that hasn't happened and You know frankly. Cova was solution for that. Because there's a lot of kids that got introduced. The handlebars and dirt bikes. Yeah lot months. Let's hope we keep them on it. You've got you've got zack osborne. You've got malcolm stewart. He's got a lot of riders out there running garner very very high quality boot. I've got some buddies that absolutely swear by them and what i was thinking. What coolest garner is and. I don't know how how much you have to do with tests or anything but man. The custom colors are always cool stuff. Yeah yeah the solid colors have been kind of How would i say pretty pretty well received because you know for a few years there we just kinda started throwing every color under the sun and yeah and i think people are kind of over that and they just like some solid colors so introduced the red last year. And you know zachos read man. He likes those red boots and then we thought well. No one's really made a bull blue boots for a while so that solid blue has been then pretty well received to and and of course the standard white black i mean those are always staples for years and years but Yeah everything's gone. Good there in the color wise. That's good to hear now. Obviously you're from minnesota. i'm from manitoba. So we share a bit of a bond there as far as growing up in in cold climates and everything else and waking are way down south. How much do you get back home to minnesota. Well you know. I always put millville on calendar. And if there's a supercross i tried to go to that one and and As far as just really going back there and having a couple of weeks vacation. I just really haven't had the time over the years to do that. So it's always race related and you see some friends and family and you know it's always fun. You know the summers are nice as you know. Same in canada but boy those winters if you've been watching the temperatures couple weeks that's why we don't live there anymore screen raf. I know exactly right. Yeah you you've been in the industry a long time. How long have you been garni distributor for usa. How long been man. How was just thinking about that. I think i think twenty five years probably yeah or close to it. Yeah right you were. You ranson a salary. Usa for a long time and we'll get into that and all the stories behind that brand in that that gear everything else. But let's let's get in the time machine a little bit and go back so your born and raised in minnesota. How do you get into dirt bikes. Well i was racing dirt always like like we said earlier as a kid you had something that would start and go go somewhere and so i had some junker motorcycles and and i always liked the dirt bike stuff. You know just climbing hills. I guess my brother raced some scrambles. I guess they used to call it. He had a thrill five honda or something like that. And and so one day he brought me home. A honda fifty. And you know the thing was clapped but hey it was a motorcycle and from there. I met the schmitz you know. Don schmidt was Younger than me. But his older brother. Dave I met and i'm going man. This guy racist got numbers on a motorcycle. And so you know it was a little intimidating at first like that. They they're saying you should race and i go race. Are you kidding me. And so he was along the kind of talked me into it with a little group of guys and we became this band racers. And then donny was. Donny was little kid. How in an echo. Johnny might have been nine or ten. Maybe something like that. He had he had an ex are seventy five. And i remember he was crying and he couldn't make it up the hill at millville had cowboy boots on you know gold belt wrapped around him about three times and so so we would always go to the racist together. That's how i kinda got into it. And then how does that work. I my girlfriend at the time had some family in california so we came out for christmas one year. And i met jim o'neill christmas party and donnie hansen was there and jimmy winer new all of these people around. Yeah how random is neil. O'neill goes you you race. And minnesota i go. Yeah and at the top you know i race for a couple of years and so now. I'm what they called expert. You know in minnesota and and so he goes. Save race in minnesota. I thought it was snowbanks and cattle. You know it's given me this kind of stuff and now mayor race. What are you talking about so he gave me some catalogues and stuff and and said we don't have a rep there. Maybe you can sell some stuff. And i i mean. I knew bob cycle wasn't in mail order at the time but i knew all those guys and they were a big vendor and there is a place called burnsville sportscenter which was a really big honda shop in fact if you really go back they were. They were the company that had pd. I don't know if you remember that. Now kinda like an performance distributing inc and d- indeed g dan hang slaven came to minnesota and got kermit's iverson who owned the sportscenter to invest in it and anyhow long story but Yeah so i knew all those guys and they were there. Were a couple of guys man. They they sold a lot of motocross stuff because there were a lot of riders. Anyhow i started selling and they go man you can sell that much stuff in minnesota. You got to move to california i in. We'll give you a real route. They told me. Wow i don't know if. I really wanna do that. And i'm i met a guy by the name of jim hale. That was her there Gm at the time and we became good friends. And jim came to minnesota and a couple of times and we raced. And you know we were good friends in anyhow that let that led to the start of actual sport america so that you meet jim o'neill from ex-girlfriend adam christmas party right. Yeah that was crazy. And it was one of those years. It was Pouring rain and i remember weiner's had the toyota used to give team trucks to the rider. Okay and we went to get a pizza with leonard and that was like. I don't know if i'm ever gonna get out in california. Live here because he was hitting these. We were hydroplaning through intersections. Doing three sixties. It was just crazy. Wow that's Hanson at the time was on canam and he had a big scar on his neck because he hit some track. Banner something and just about decapitated. He wasn't even a factory. Honda guy at the time. Wow so yeah okay. So this is seventy nine xactly right about seventy eight seventy nine. Suppose and then. I came out. They said you gotta come out for the five hundred grand prix at carlsbad. When moats one. That was another trip. They pick me up at the airport and then we proceeded to Drive to Carlsbad about a hunt is fast as those vans. go man. that's crazy. I know neil was still obviously in business today and doing very well and and Jim hale. Eric bernard who i had lunch with. He started out o.'neil at some point. Yeah yeah i remember the. He got the green card. He was Customer service or telemarketers sir. I knew eric i go. how do you get. Oh you know you know you know. Eric was great. Oh yeah that's really cool. Jim started this sort of hub of moto. People was any cold air to or now might not now but who used to own What was that called. sierra distributing. Did you know him. I i mean there's an alumni of guys it came out of o.'neil for sure. Yeah absolutely so. Do you think So you're selling to bob's and you're selling burnsville. Are you a natural salesman like or is it. is this stuff pretty cool and unique. What's what's your success. Do you think. I don't know you know just like you. I'm sure and in your local place. If if you've got a bit of a personality you know everybody right so so you can kinda. I guess i was an influence or right. You know what they call them today. I mean i knew a lot of people. So i'm going. Hey you know you should wear o.'neil and you know blah blah blah and it was kind of cool they had Malherbe the time who. Yeah five hundred world champion. The you know in those days that that carried some weight and you know. Jim always had some riders and a good friend of mine. Tommy bulkin at the time was pretty fast. Minnesota guy we got him to wear neil and you know and it was available. And in bob lindstrand. Who owned bob cycle. You know we were good friends. And he said. I'll give it a try at the time o'neill sold fox believe it or not so fox boots and fox. Gloves hallman Couple of on products. Yeah proceed jim. Bringing in akzo boots at that point. Or no yeah. That's how kind of that relationship started. I it was gonna be with hail. And i that when the beginning like when we're when he's telling me this. What was the plan. That was going to be yoko usa. Yoko used to be the pant manufacturer for everybody and yoko was in finland and Yoka was making the fox pants. He'll neil pants are pants factory of just everybody's pants. Yeah well the word got out and then everybody said hey. We're going to stop making pants with you guys. If you bring yoko into the us and the guy you haw Got cold feet. And said i can't do it. Then then they actual guy found out remote say he said. I'll do it so then. It became actual support america instead of yoko usa. Okay that's how that all began so big step for you to move to california and get a quote we real route Huge step yeah. Yeah for sure. I can imagine i lived on the lake and minnesota had about three hundred feet lakeshore. At you know everything was pretty comfy. And i moved to california and rented a Were you up there. Roughly twice. I was in the san. Fernando valley moved to recede uh-huh and was My rent was more than my mortgage in minnesota. And what did i just do. And we didn't make any money for a couple of years. It was tough. Yeah okay now you oh so you went down there and it was. You and jim doing akzo america. Yeah and a guy named john caper was came from o.'neil to he was a design guy at the time so that was kind of the three and then we started to hire some sales reps. And you know that was. You're just going to do boots. And then it was a kidney belt and then rema made plastic stuff so then it was a plastic glove and then we need pants. We gotta have pants you know and then you know pretty soon. We got the whole deal. So they add. That was jim okay with all. This gym is fine or jim who jim o'neill was like. Okay no no no. He wasn't right. He's a little little pillow past. I imagine oh yeah yeah of course you would be. I mean i get it but yeah i mean. We weren't trying to do anything against him. We were just going. Hey it's an opportunity. So jim hill absolutely a great guy. I've talked to him a couple of times over the phone. Oh we lost way too soon right. Really an inventor guy seemed like the nicest guy. Bob just the really really nice guy and business whether you talk to the media you talk to. The writers like bradshaw stanton had to deal with them as he goes on and on with akzo and grows. It just seemed like a hell of a guy. Yeah he was a good guy. Brilliant marketing guy. And the guy. We used to always tease him. You know you. It's the weekend and we'd go to carlsbad all the time and race and So i'd say saturday night. See you later. we've had. We've had our day at carlsbad and monday. He would come with like i. I don't know like did you sleep with your calculator. I mean he have all these spreadsheets and stuff and that was kind of before comp- you know before the computer i mean. Computers were just starting to kind of happen. Because i remember we all bought apple. You know the max square boxes like whoa man. We are really space age now. So i imagine yeah he. He loved the business for sure. So i imagine access started taking off with like series ninety five whenever they came out with that pant and jersey. That was a cotton jersey with real cool color. Is that kind of start of when things started moving. Yeah the pants. Were a big thing. We tried to make pants in california. Actually and it was just a nightmare. We have this guy and we had. I can't even tell you we were measuring them. Because you were going. How can you make fifty pairs of size thirty two pants and they all fit different and and because yoko was just definitely a variety even make make pants and this is before china or anything wrong We kept begging you hot too. Yeah come on. Make some pants and we were like well. You got to do it in the back room matt right and the lights off if anybody sees this and Yeah then we started once we got those once. We got those. Yoko pants we were taken off and then once we had sin asala making our pants we really really took off but now the akzo guy what was his name. The original owner remo was remo with he was making the boots. And the the kidney belts i remember was he making gear over there at all or no. There was no gear even over there in europe. Not in the beginning making boots. All he was doing and and You know they weren't the best boots to be honest with you but you know we just jim you know we just had the marketing behind them and sold a ton of them and they were inexpensive boots. I think we you know they were just barely over one hundred bucks and we made an air boot and nobody wanted to wear it. Remember so stiff and vegas and then we had something called the rinaldi because named it after re most famous our favorite writer who was a good guy but you know that was and then we had a male her boot right. Until i came in. Supercross is here. Nobody wants a maller boot anymore. Yeah exactly and so this one that we sold the most devils called a turbo and it was just inexpensive and it was pretty good and Yeah we build. I had a turbo bill. I had a turbo buddha's you. Yeah for sure okay. So you're at akzo. Things usa you. Jim in the other gentlemen there and things are rolling along. When when do you start getting like a little bit of an itch to do stuff. How does that come along. Well what happened. Originally as yoko still couldn't really keep up with our demand. Or i don't remember exactly but it was like it. It was still a little weird. Okay and fox was a big costumer and o'neill is a big customer and up and Yeah we you know they were nice to us would go over there and stuff but it was still a little weird so we said cinna saulo had a guy in laguna okay Dave always his last name. I can't remember but he wasn't a motorcross guy at all. He could have been a model the another guy really good looking and he was a runner runner and he. He's running cinna saulo and he doesn't know how. How does how does he ever get cinna. Solitu- usa like how does that even happen. Even know. yeah well. The sin asala was if a backup Some more okay Cinna saulo was just a really great factory. I mean they could make anything And they were making all the jt stuff. All the pants and gloves and chest protectors and they just were moving right along goal and this is just great. You know we've got this giant customer and the us and keeps us busy. And then john gregory flew over there one day and said hey guys. I got some bad news for you. I'm moving production to mexico. Oh i was just gonna ask you that. I thought they were all. Jt always made tijuana but no okay at some point. Okay yeah yeah he switches because he's gonna just save a bunch of money and so since all of cottam flat-footed they have no other customer so they said well yeah. Our name is a solid. We're just gonna put on the pants and were going after it. We got higher riders so they sent their son over here to go. You know to run in the usa. And and i didn't know him. But i guess he moved to laguna big boat and just had a party and he'd and i heard that he had like beautiful girls work at all. Riders wanted to go to send us all and they started hiring everybody and they hired rick johnson and burn words and yeah Jimmy white and forty you know then yeah wardi and when we you know so when so that all work but i guess guys spending so much money in japan was on fire with cintas all at the time they were just like selling so much stuff to japan and I think okay. How did it go. So so dave that was in luna. He was just tired they had they had the export the the sun back to finland breaking the bank. He had to go dry out. He's got go back to finland they can have him in california. Marcus way too much fun. Right so This dave guy is running the office. And we meet dave. I forget exactly how but we go competitors but he's super nice guy and he goes We said hey could cynics. Otto possibly make akzo pants. Well let me talk to him. He got a meeting for us. And so dave in. Jim and i flew to finland to meet heike. Okay and Banker heike cinna. Sallow is that his last name is that no no. The soon asala family was out of there now. They were like silent donors but they push them all out okay. They had some ownership. But no it's heike makhala michaela mikola from He was like an accountant. So he's running the thing and Production guy and then. There was a banker. I remember 'cause we it was the weirdest thing we went. We're having all this this meeting in the bankers office and it's it's It's in the winter. So it's dr there all the time you know like it doesn't really get light and so we got this meeting going in okay now. We take a sound asama in your office. Like yeah you know everybody's got to have the saana on all the time so we go. All men are going into. Have asana if you know at lunch okay. Whatever but out of that whole thing. We got We got pampered auction as what we wanted to know. Solid pants fit like none other. I mean even with yoko. You always had that plumber's crack and you know couldn't get them to stay up in the back solid. They just fit so and they were durable and remo was fine with this like fine seems fine with he had here up and we had the us we had We had the japan market for pants. So remo is making money on it. He was. I many questions. We're cinna sallow and yoko. Were they mortal enemies or were they. Okay well they weren't friends who like Ford and chevy were both in finland but Yoko was in near helsinki or in the south. And to go to cinna saulo. I mean you needed a dog saladdin. I mean it was so far up in northern finland. You go holy smokes. Where am i going. So i learned the early. Jt's were pants. I did not know that they were all. And then when we got the sin assault then we decided one step further. You know we were young and we were on the gas and so we thought we can. We can be gm sell. We got akzo as a cadillac. And we're going to take the cinema solid because they were struggling and we'll take it and that'll be our chevrolet so we'll have since followed and We're going to market it differently. And but it kinda failed because as soon as solid customers that they had are asking where these expensive pants. That's what we want and we said no we call it. There was a pant it was called and it was you know it was cheaper and it was really good quality but they wanted the fcd pant you know the ones with the foam and all that stuff and so that really didn't work as well and you know you've seen all these companies over the years you go okay offers and moose and yeah fox in shift. Yeah yeah that a secondary brand is always a little brother and always will be and they'll find out real soon you go to run. The little brother takes just as much effort to run the big show. Yeah so From a business perspective you go. Why don't we just run the big show so sinister follow you know that. That was a challenge when we have at both under the same roof right so Who made the akzo shiny pants. Whatever series that was. I don't remember. That was out of santa sallow pant could A striped it was called. A striped pactel was st pant and that was made in finland then later after. I left Remo actually said i can make pants so i think like when they had those bull Like the painting. I was no longer at akzo. But i think grandma was making pants in italy at the time. Okay so yeah. The late eighties. Akzo pants took a big step up. And i am kind of stay the same. I'm thinking ward stuff basic stuff and all that and then. So that's why as a child bob. I always wondered why jeff ward wore axel boots. An actual kidney belt within a sell stuff. And i'm like those are competitors. How does that work but not really at that time. No no that was that was when we were getting involved so we said hey warrior you gotta do this and and you got a i. I remember i drove to. I'd never met. Jeff ward and. I had a volkswagen. And so i'm gonna meet you ford today. This is pretty. Yeah so where do you live or and this is before your phone could tell you turn right here and take a left here so i drive down their car. No air conditioner. In the middle of the summer and ward he's got a condo right Laguna gal and find his place. A young man you know jeff ward. Knock on the door. I'm gonna let him try on some kidney belts and see what he thinks and and we're going to get this this akzo thing on them and we're gonna have a solid axle. Wardi opens the door. Like i was some you know selling saw. I don't know he. He barely opened the door. like high. wardi are jeff. Yeah i'm bob. Yeah okay. I called you earlier i got. Yeah okay Okay i hand them to him and he okay thanks. I'll try and call you and closes the door. I was like and you know. Now i know jeff and i think jeff was Jeff was a shy guy. You know in those days. He he wasn't. He wasn't rick johnson johnson. Order brought you in an y'all hey let's play some drums and i don't know what. Hey what have done but just keep you know. I was just like oh man. I just drove three hours. I would've at least like to maybe take a lunch or something but yeah but anyhow started wearing wearing the belt. Whose idea was it for the plastic kidney belt for that thing. Whatever that was well. I think we were in italy at the factor in jim's brain was always rolling and he's going man. You can mold injection this and that and the other thing and so what about a kidney belt with this you know like okay and the first ones were like too hard and then i don't know some other injection and then they were too big and then the kids on really seemed to kind of work and we would get the plastic here in california and then we would have somebody paint on the axle like the logo on there and then we. We actually had Answer products was sowing the elastic on them and finishing them. and then we'd bring them back and bag him. I mean it was quite a production but then Then we found a guy that could laser print the logos and that took a step out there. That was like we thought we were. You know going to the moon on that one and then eventually ramo could do it all then. Suddenly he got a sewing machine and then they just came back but All right man. We sold kidney belts. We saw a lot of things. Were pretty cool. I'm pretty innovative for the time. Yeah absolutely amara at indian dunes one. You know just to try it. Because johnny was buddying. Yeah you know they're going. Wow and then eddie cole. Call them and go. You can't be wearing the. I'm sorry unless the dogar would always do stuff like that. So you know he'd put one on and wear it at jump everything in practice at anaheim and and the shots would come out. Oh there's la- sheen with an axle built on so some of that stuff. Just help us by default by you know wardi wearing it and i think we had larry brooks was on. I mean we have belt contract. Yea right think about that. Right belt can email contacts contract. Yeah and the boot was developed over in italy by remo the boot the clear the different. Yeah everything remo. We we didn't really touch much of that in those days remote did it. What a guy. Like wardi pulling down from cnn sallow back. Then you know. Eighty six eighty seven. Eighty eight that type of that topic. Probably forty five and there which was probably pretty big salary at the time for for close jersey. And that's coming back money coming from finland. Now that's not coming from you guys. Yeah but surprisingly. I mean when we got sinister follow. It opened up old another mess. We had no idea. Because they owed. Rick johnson money. They owe what jimmy white still bus. My chops on that day. 'cause he goes you owe me and i go. Hey listen i didn't make that contract and and the only guy that was still wearing what's in it was the warranty on pay this guy. Yeah you know you only for like three years. And he's still wearing your stuff. I hate him. That's funny yeah. So they ended up paying him. But like i think there were a lot of guys that wardi wardi was the only guy still wearing it but yeah they weren't they stop paying people. So you're coming to a fork in the road here. Bob where you access stuff taken off the mat inventor your you guys are booming business a little bit and somewhere along in this fork. You take sallow. Jim takes akzo. How does that happen. Why does it happen. And what goes on behind that decision. I don't know without getting into all of it. I mean we had. We had got ransall from greenwood. Nabi shop international. We had acquired that we had started mechanics. Where i there was a lot going on. And and you know just things happen and change and it was probably just time for me to you. Jim but it has a little bit is when i'm taking out of this a little bit. Well yeah just kind of you know. It was just a time things things are changing so anyhow and wasn't really fitting into the picture anymore and i guess i wasn't probably fitting into the picture anymore so it just seemed like a good deal to put us both on the tracks and right off. We go was it. Was it a least friendly as far as that goes like. I'm going to say. I mean it was it was okay. I mean we then it was kind weird because You know we were a little bit competitors i salute. You know. I kind of felt that a little bit because You know obviously would work together for decades. So you know all of a sudden we're right. We're fighting over the same You lame toy. The gym look. I'll go. I'll leave out. I'll leave. i'll grab go. But i need ten percent of mechanics where i just eat. Yeah you know. You should have bought apple at the time. Steve could point. Yeah so so. Now you're cinna sallow are you. Open valencia valencia. Why are you end up in akzo and because when we started looking for you know when i moved to the valley and whatever you're eighty four You know valencia was like a college town. There was nothing here and but but real estate commercial as cheap. So it's about a thirty five forty minute drive and it's new and cheap and that's why we moved up here and then here i just stayed i think in eighty six or eight now probably eighty eight. I bought a house up here. I mean you've been here. I guess it's yeah it's you know there's not Wael swimming by. It's not the beach or anything but it's a good community. It's it's not a big now but yeah a lot of guys are up here. We're up here. So you're there cinna sally usa guy now. And i just by the way. Maybe i could be biased. Because i had like three pairs of them but that s cd pant woman. The foam on the front is a incredible pant. It was. it was an amazing pant. It fits so good. I was a similar rider. Because guys and i was up in canada and i was a whatever you call a decent rider. The guys from aurora cycle supply offered sponsorship. Kristen dennis james and innocent stewart. Yeah chris was denison stewart. Okay well get well. Stuart and dennis brothers down. This was a pretty good racer. Dennis james dennis james then. I'm getting getting chris mixed up with stu okay. So stewart so dennis james anyways gets me a sponsorship. I was a jt guy forever and a loved jt. And then it got kinda pricey up in canada. And i wanted something else and somehow i met dennis james. I didn't really want to wear cinna sallow. I thought it was like an older guys stuff. I didn't want to wear and dude. He got me some of that stuff and it was great. It was an incredible pan. I don't know did you. Did you see great success from that. Oh yeah you couldn't wear those things out and they fit gray to and they were just incredible and you know it. It kinda was i mean at the time now. I'm getting older. And i'm doing all of that race And i got rocket rex. Who was you know. Multi time That guy and when you went to the vet national it was sinister follow show you know and just because i mean they fit so good and you didn't have to worry about like if you'd say fox pants in those days and you see a guy. Walking around pants are brand new but the knees are all gone. The inside of the knees it just be gone the knee braces and tear them out. And but you know those pants in those days. One hundred eighty nine dollars. I don't think there's a pant on the market today. Probably oh was that. China on fox went to china just dropped the price of pants so okay so those are expensive for the day. I don i have no idea. I don't remember yeah. They were super expensive. We had a forty dollar glove to that stanton or the air glove. We sold the we sold tons of those used to call them government. And he didn't like. Did you have much say so. You're not you're running usa and it's a huge market. America obviously a huge market. Do you have much say in product lines. Colors are the senate sallow people sending you stuff for opinions. That type of stuff. How much influence and swayed you have a. We had ninety five percent of the older because we had a whole design department. And how did all the designs we did like when we had Yamaha troy i. it was honda troy. We did the semi the bride. Did everything we did the gear. The you know. Yep yeah so okay. So and we we send patterns and all films and stuff over to the factory and they'd send samples and then we'd week it and then that's the way we did. So who came up with cd pan. Who came up with that idea. And the fitness and all cd pant. I guess to go back. They had that name So we they had it. When when jim and i went over there way back when and that's what the customer wants so we just stayed with that. Fcd pant because people knew it and then we just redesigned. We redesigned the foam and the collars. And you know the knee and It just it just stayed. And then we had a fc x pant. I think like mcgrath liked mcgrath where they fcd pan but he always said it was a little bit like it was kinda warm right right kind of heavy and arm. So he didn't like that fabric he wanted More than like regular nylon so we developed this other pant in order or he didn't really liked. Fcd pant either In order to was a creature of habit you know you'd have to. I'd have to steal his boots. When he was at the riders meeting so he'd wear the new nuance. Just keep wearing the same go. Jeff ward you know some guys you know. They want new boots every week. And they're they're not very good. And jeff ward is one of the premier guy is in and he's wearing boots with holes in them because he just thought they fit better comfortable that s c pant with the foam on the front was next level. I loved it. Like i said i had three two or three pairs of that stuff and it never wore out. They fit great and still do my two favorites today for sure when i think about gear. Yep those are great. How are you. How are you backing. All this are you. Did you have to start a new business news distributorship and all that did you bore money from family friends that you have enough to get gone cinna sallow french you a little bit. This ought to be a big step for you. Yeah it was a big step. I had a little money. And fortunately i got credit from the factories. You know you'd they'd give me some terms and you know the trick was get it sell it. Pay 'em do it again. Yeah just keep keep turning it do you. Do you have any alternates. Ellis stuff still to this day. I have some you know. I've got Some stuff that. I've kept. I i had a bunch of it and i've had so much in fact i offered it to the guy that bought greg prims. Oh yeah whole deal. 'cause i go. I got the lipstick for the for your but you know he. He wasn't too interested in it. So anyhow yeah. I do have some stuff and i gave some stuff to greg because i was thinking you know greg museum was just yeah killer and i thought you know unfortunately you know he just kind of it just got too much for them but i was hoping that he could be the caretaker of our history of our sport because it was a really cool what he had going there jet pants. I had a set of japan's too. I remember that a so. Yeah it was a big big step for you and stuff move though and it's selling its doing well right like are you. Are you having success around this time. Yeah oh yeah i mean. We weren't axo or fox but right and what we were doing here you know helped helped the rest of the world when we mcgrath for example and he starts doing that knacks and winning everything and and you know he was an actual ryder. But jim didn't really want him and he goes I've got brad sean. Stanton and You know you can have them. How do you buy them. How do you find jeremy. Does that goes you obviously know who he is. But at this point your will you put a bit in for him. Everybody else so i knew him because i hired him kind of one. He was You know when even before he was split fire you know. I remember going to golden state and we. We were racing and he was team green rider and i remember between motos because there was a are after practice. I took him to our shopping. Got him a bunch of gear and brought him back to the track. Now so that was before the whole you know pro circuit split fire thing. Yeah and So i knew that. Mcgrath's and i you know i i like jack and mom and dad and tracy is. I mean i knew the whole crew so so when this was all going down You know. Of course i said. Hey you know i'll be. I'll be glad to hire you award. He was going to retire A little money Let's talk and so so we hired them and we had a two year deal. And i think it could have went forward but then you know honda wanted to real and their logo and it was a big deal and and they were fighting Fighting i think fox and Who else was who. I think steve lamps and might have been yelko and doug henry was fox and they wouldn't put any of the one eight hundred collect stuff on their pants and The wing on the jersey. And so i thought i'm going to get this honda deal with jeremy but in the end Even though they fought with fox two years they took fox fox. Me fox fox is freaking out about this stuff making the biggest noise about it and then all of a sudden fox said yamaha and honda and it was like yeah. I know i'm with you. Yeah pete pete fox even called me and said why are you working with honda. Don't do this. Because and i go. Well you know. I i hear you but you know i don't wanna fight with honda. I mean i'm. I'm trying to make friends not enemies and he goes. Well we're paying the clothing deal. You know they they wanna take our you know. They wanted the chest because they wanted the big honda wing with h. o. n. d. a. On it and those guys were fighting it going away. We're not giving up that real estate. It's gonna say fox on it right right. Yeah absolutely big big drama behind the scenes in our sport around that time it was a big deal. And you know. I'm friends with dave arnold who was team manager at the time and and he's he's kind of walking me through it going. I think you should just cooperate with these guys and it'll be better for in the end. It wasn't his fault but it wasn't his decision either. Worked for me was a nice guy. And that didn't work fly racing racer x podcast with bob rath camp. Please check us out on the on the archives that download. It really really appreciate it. Fly race in dot com of course Justin brayton wearing fly racing. Zach osborne speaking of garner boots wearing fly racing out there The latest ingraham. The folks that fly. Please go back and check them out. They got a lot of good stuff. Twenty twenty one line is deeper than ever before. Thank the folks at max's tires of course rent tall bars. Speaking of bars koba links and motorsport all onboard with us on this podcast. Of course as well so thanks. Those companies for jumping on board. So you get jeremy and ninety three bob and he's just he's good he's a two time one twenty five supercross and he's good but dude when he's really off to fifty supercross wins. You guys gotta be rubbing your hands together. Oh yeah while we were in orlando because they used to start them in orlando Coincidentally and i remember he. He's gonna win any pills that that was the first place he throws that knack neck and everybody. Oh the crowd like what is he doing there and we can. I mean he just put them all down all the big boys and it just continued. Ask oh wow. This guy has something else. Yeah yeah it was. It was fun a lot of fun for. Oh yeah you had some cool purple stuff. He ran purple a lot on purple red orange or yellow. Yeah it was a good look. It was good so that was fun. You still got some of his jersey's around her pants by do nice good. Keep you know what i think. I've heard on ebay and stuff the most desired. And you probably the money that you'll get if you've got one bob. Hannah and jeremy mcgrath. Yeah those two guys. I mean and you know in those days i think i made a hundred and fifty jerseys you know because you had the sublimate of and due to really give the pro guy. The not not silkscreen. That just felt like it. You know you put it on there with some. You know outdoor paintbrush. So we do them all at once and print one hundred and fifty jerseys that ask the last year. Yeah now these guys get like a dozen jersey's a week. Yeah so so. I guess by virtue of that. There just aren't as many of those around their original lonzo's old cinna solid so and you think okay. We had them for two years. So there's three hundred jersey that wentz worldwide. Yeah yeah exactly right. I saw on ebay a little while ago very rare. I almost bought it. It was a lot of money though. But sal mcgrath number. Eighty two jersey from the gp. The buds creech. Ep which was i mean. How many of those are often the world right. So yeah we probably made them five jerseys for the weekend haenel that because he did a couple of those one off races worried have to have some number. I think he did a couple. Gp's maybe some japan raise. Yeah they used to have the tokyo supercross although he would be number one over there but yeah yeah so you got warning and ninety two. You got the kid at ninety three. Our sales are sales. Also trending upward. Like jeremy like are using a direct massive increase in sales because of mc worldwide. He just he he took. He took us worldwide like south america. For example i never saw orders that big from venezuela which now they probably don't even buy anything but we had distributors there and chile argentina. And and every other week there was some guy standing by the door you go. There are some guy from south america here to talk to you and they'd have like a briefcase full of cash night on as much as i'd like to sell your stuff. We've got a guy in philly. Yeah you know and you can't just you can't just you know just short term. If you do that these guys are just like. I need mcgrath stuff. You're like wow you got distributed. here's your local distributors in the us. It was still you know. Fox even though fox at the time they didn't have you know they were powerhouse with riders and then they went to like doug henry was their best guy a one twenty five and that was about all they had and then i don't know then they ramped up again when honda gave him the contract. And then you know then. They took that and got yamaha. You know they had. They had a bunch of riders again. And then it was hard you know. It's hard for us to get in and we went. Okay this is gonna be a bad hangover. We just had jeremy mcgrath and no offense to greg schnell but he was our guy. Yeah the following. Year because i thought all these guys are calling me and i know jeremy wright and it didn't happen and so we go. Okay greg schnell you gotta do miracles. Craig's great guy. Yeah and it wasn't his fault. I mean we would have hired him anyhow he was. You know we had guys like that but we always said we. We went from jeremy. Mcgrath to greg schnell and we lived through it but now we gotta do something. And fox's got the hen house down so we fill alderson. Can we talk. Yeah it was honda troy in. Here's what we'll do for you. We'll pay you and we'll do all your designs and we're gonna do this and this and he was very open minded to it and that's where we went and then that team became a winning team to and then i had problems because guess what now i got too big. A business fox wants it right. They want they want it soar. Once in the beginning nobody wanted for. Like flipper flip. Remember when i came calling all this money and support well and he was cool. He goes day. Here's x. Amount of dollars if you even get close but it was. You know double what i was paying and i just didn't have you know i just didn't have the funds and so it's still it's always about that it's about money you know like who who's got the wallet. Yeah absolutely for sure. The the big fish swallows a small one right. It happens a lot. Are you and without getting into. You can get into as much details as you want. So you're cinna sally. usa. You're designing the pant stilo over and finland's making it for you. You're you're you're you're selling gangbusters. You got you got the supercross champion all this stuff. How much are you paying finlander. How does that work. Because are they screaming yelling and certain cut. I don't even know how that goes down. I feel like you're well the way the way. We negotiated that is we handled the us and there were certain things that you know like Hey do you have a guy in guatemala. No you can have that okay okay. So basically we had all of north and south. America was our territory so they sold us product. They sold us product They made money selling us product and then they made money on this probably a bigger margin and the rest of the world so they had all of europe and they had all of japan and You know we weren't involved. We weren't commissioned on any of that stuff so that's all that work right. We didn't pay them but we were. We were the caretakers really over the brand. I mean we. We did all the designs and we were. We were the fuel for the you know to get you down. The road really know for sure. That's why i'm thinking like how do you work that out financially and it sounds like they did a pretty good job on their end because there are also making money on the product that they selling you so they were smart enough to know that they needed somebody to design the stuff. And i think We proved ourselves. I mean the stuff was selling and people are going. Wow when they go to trade show in milan ore cologne and show the new collection as we. That's the way we used to always do it. And you're right and big orders you know. Somebody's doing something right. So you got ya you roy. You lost honda deal. You lost jeremy you got hundred shore though What's what what starts to break up with you and send us out. How does that go south. Because if i remember my in my head correctly like any seven ninety eight still doing well and then after that kind of dropped off a we'll send us. All of finland hired a dutch guy. That was kind of their salesman. He became their sales manager and he was difficult he would he would come over here and go to anaheim and walk around and go bob. We need more hats. We need tennis shoes. We need and i go. We don't i. I mean you you gotta earn that stuff. It's you know it. You don't just make a hat and then people go. Oh you yeah. I'll take a thousand of those. I mean when you walk around at a racing you see fox and alpine star and stuff. I mean that's a big brand and that's why they can sell that stuff. It's not like know. I don't wanna pick on anybody wolf sport you know because they don't have have here. It's not desired right. So i said easy big fella you know we. We've got hats but you gotta keep building and over time. Your brand gets you know a reputation or or a demand. And that's that's what we do. He went around me and he's making all the stuff in that you know if you're hap- guy you're very specific about the way bits and stuff and he's making them in pakistan and stuff and i go. Don't do that you know and show that started it and then the the real end of it was that same guy. Signed up Somebody north of the border Kim pex in canada and quebec. And talk to me about it. And then and you're like ask me north americans and i'm going wait a minute i'm selling aurora. Then they were fox. And you know i i love the james guys i mean those are. We had a lot of fun with dentists and stewart. Anyhow fox put the pressure on them. And i had i had to kind of get out of there and then i had a couple of small distributors and i was working on it but you know canada. There's not a lot of you know the big guys up there so so Somehow they met the guys from. Kim packs that show and signed him up. Then the guys from impact said we're we know pro circuit. We're distributor we're going to. We're going to get us all on their team next year. Oh we're in the snowmobile market. Me up we'll make snowmobile suits in their their their believing all this stuff and i go. Yeah so mitch is gonna leave akzo and yeah and where soon asala next year is that it. Yeah kim kim said they can get that done. I go really okay. So that was the beginning of the end. then i started telling my big customers. I go listen. I put the fuel in the tank on this one. I'm going to still sell it until it quit selling. But i'm done i'm not signing anything and i'm not spending money on it anymore and so i just i let it go for and they're asking me. Hey can you send us new glove designs and know. Why don't you ask to do that kind of my reply. So it's crazy. Eventually that was just done. And i gave them the keys to the car back and said here have a nice life and at the time i had been about two years into garner and so in my mind i was going. Okay you know i took. We took garni on and we said we need a boot. It's a really great boot. 'cause i sold against them for years but axel and i knew garner a better boot than axle. It's a great. I knew the quality and i just go there marketing and they just they need help i mean. They had a cow on their boots on the boot box. That's how bad it was. You know like say they needed help. So and i knew there was a boot in there that was you know priced right And it was fantastic and it was called an rx pro and we sold a ton of those. So i thought. I got senator saulo. We need to boot yeah. The lights are on We gotta warehouse. Let's bring some boots in. And then when this whole sin asala deal fell apart. I go okay. We gotta get more serious about the boots and we got to go after it. And i'm gonna give it a year. And i'm gonna put everything i got into it to see if we can live on just garnett. Yeah and that's when we started designing we hired and started designing a boot with a pivot and to compete in the premium. You know really. Pete in the premium with the product. 'cause it akzo and i never liked us when we'd get a really good writer or something. Then they complain about the boots. We'd make them special boots. Yeah and it looked like the boots at you could buy it. Wasn't that all like the boot. And i said that's a dirty deal. I don't like that and i said garner. We're never going to do that. I mean we're gonna pull the same boot out of our stock for zach as we would for steve. It's just gotta be that way. And so that's something i mean there's been occasion like christopher gossip for example. I mean he was wearing. I think a size ten boot because his ankles or so. Jack up and i go. What are you doing year like a size. Eight and he goes. Oh i have to because it rubs a skin you know so we made him a custom form boot but as far as putting in additional ankle protection using better. Leather stiffer shank. i mean. that's that's stuff. We used to do which i never liked. We don't do here for experience. The akzo rc boot flopped over like like a slipper. After a little. Yeah but the ones like bradshaw and stanton or those were those were different. Yeah those are a little different than those ones. Because those ones out the greatest. Remember that it's crazy to me though. Bob and i see this in the industry a lot because you you see the latest and greatest person come in with some big ideas and then it doesn't work out and they don't really understand relationships in the business like why is why would the scenario people back in finland hire dutch guy and cool like awesome. New ideas are good and new. Fresh eyeballs sometimes can really help out. But you know you've got this bob guy in valencia. And he's done nothing but great things for the brand and you know why why are you crapping on the guy in usa has been you know in business for fifteen years at this point. It's just so bizarre to me. That companies work out. I asked myself that a lot. New steve you know that guy. I i can get along with like anybody in the world but we butted heads and he was just always like you know like the thing with the hat see in and He came here one time and he wanted to make like vans tennis shoe and i go. Let's not take our eye off. The ball are sinister aloe his pants and gloves. And you know. Jerseys go along with it. Let's just make some really good stuff and we had a chest protector that it was making. It was all really goods and all of a sudden. He wants to make some tennis shoes because he found some guy that will make them for three bucks. And i go. i mean you know. We're not we're not fox. Okay i mean fox's got a big brand and and then he would take my sales guys out for you know wh one time i remember. They went out for dinner and and And my rep. You know has a few beers in them and he goes. I could sell a ton of those an idol. Okay now now. Here's the other problem with that. So so my rap probably could have sold a bunch of because a dealer has some trust in us that when we say this is going to sell goes okay. You've never steered me wrong. You load them up with a bunch of pakistan hats and some tennis shoes and he goes. These don't sell. Yeah yeah you can get one order. Take back and it's just a mess you know it's it's not my style so when i'd say no that would kind of tick him off i suppose and he's gone. This guy just doesn't want a girl. Yeah it's not that. I don't want a girl you just need to girl properly. But i'm guessing you know you've done this garner thing for fifteen years or whatever it is you said twenty years you have chances to add other things to your distributor line and you haven't you're garni you feel burnt by the industry a little bit in some areas like you're happy with garni. Obviously it's a great partnership is a great product but i imagine you've thought about distributing something else in just. Yeah i mean. When i when i got away from sin saulo i got all kinds of in opportunities and you know and you just go it. It's not that easy and no. You can't just take a brand. I mean you you gotta build a brand to build. A brand is You know it's it's a lot of work and it's it takes money and it you know you've got a. I don't know how to explain. That it's the right i it's just it's just tough and and you know it was flattering. Get all these guys. Go hey listen you know all all give you a ten year twenty year contract with our brand and you you can run it. Okay and then. I guess i kinda got a little like okay if you're that interested. Here's what is gonna cost. You know because we really need a whole design re you know recreate or do you know frankly some of it probably would have been easier to just start a new brand right right but i did try to buy What was it called alloy. It was short lived. But i wanted. It was all done like it had the trademark. It had the you know. It had a website. And had and i could could've took that. And i guarantee i would have made money the first year with 'cause i i kind of knew how to do it right and and they were like the guys that bought white brothers have it and they kind of put it in the drawer and and i go well. Let's know what are you gonna do with it. They are well. What do you think i'm gonna right. Exactly oh i don't know i tried a little bit and then i just kinda got busy with the with the garnett and yeah there's there's been some opportunities of distribution and some things but i don't know you're you're you're fortunate you're you have a great relationship with everybody back in italy garner. I'm assuming right. Yeah that's good. Yeah and you're also fortunate. It's a great product. It really it really is and you know what i think on my first visit there The gentleman that owns it. I mean that was twenty some years ago. He's he's in his eighties and He is a technician. He may not know who every rider is on the planet. But he's a and he's honest and he really is proud about or you know. His product is quality so he says to me bring me the number one selling boot in the us. When you come. Yup and i probably shouldn't say the name but it it it was. It was the number one selling booed at the time and it was a hundred and twenty nine bucks and i'm a salesman you know i want to sell. I want to sell a lot of something. And so i was like okay if we can get close to this with that quality so we immediately went in the back and he took this giant bam song. Cut the thing and half cut in half and he's looking at it and he said to me goes. I would never put my name on this junk. I could have cried like really. I was thinking we were going to sell some boots and it was then. I realized that you know we need to. We need to focus on the high end and you know what he that was a good lesson for me because no matter what you're doing you can never be the cheapest sky because somebody else's always got it figured out that you can. They can be cheaper whether the helmet a pair of gloves goggles. And you get what you pay for and you know you don't make any money and i mean i. I've been like helmets for example i. I was offered helmet so many times. And i go. I wouldn't wear this. I couldn't consciously sell this racing motocross gonna get hurt right. Let somebody will. Yeah somebody will. They don't care now for sure. Absolutely still around right now. I think it went bankrupt and Some sporting goods something bought the trademark. And i don't know. Last time. I looked i was like. Oh my gosh these designs and what they're trying to do. I think the factory closed. And you know i don't know i haven't talked to those guys in years. Heike and i had a pretty heated last meeting at indianapolis trade show. On out in the corridors. I remember bob maynard from thorough. Walked by like oh boy. I don't think say hi to you guys right now. Yeah wow okay. Yeah i say i said that because i thought i saw something maybe a year or two ago that you know but yeah different company. I thought it was still yeah. I don't think so. I think. I mean the between yoko and there are a lot of motorcycle pants and yoko made. A comeback sponsors. The factory. I don't know who's behind it. But i i don't think it's made in helsinki anymore. I think it's probably made in. China can't see made helsinki right. No way i can't see no well man. What a cool What a cool journey you've had in the industry Pretty neat yeah. It's it's when i when i look back. Steve i mean really You know jim. An i in those early years i i will say. I don't think two people could have had as much fun as we did. Because we we went to all these factories and we go the japan supercross. And we've yeah you know we would still race and I mean we'd go to europe. And i i mean it was it was. It was a blast when he passed away. Where you guys on good terms. Yeah we didn't see each other like we used to. I lived in vegas but yeah we were friendly and occasional dinner here there and yeah it was fine. Good yeah good right you always. You always wanted to be and yes. So what's next for you just garner. And i don't know yeah. I don't know maybe. I'll come and work pulp. Mx maybe need somebody to hold a light or something. I don't know. I'm getting old steve. You can design something like the cd. Foam bio foam pant. I'll hire you. Because as i said i love. I absolutely loved it. Well thanks yeah that that was a that was one of a kind and people did. Try to copy it and stuff one time. Jim and i were well. We were you know. The the advent of the asian maids stuff was starting to happen and i think we went to hong kong and then we weren't in china. I i want to say we were in. We might have been in taiwan or somewhere. We were somewhere over there and we because we were gonna go look at some glove manufacturers and it was like we get in this cab in or driving like where are we going. It looks like we're going into some residential place and there was a it looked like a big apartment building. You know like five six stories and we go in and it's just a complete mess and we had to take the stairs like up to the thirds third floor in this guy. This agent is taking us there to show us god manufacturing and lo and behold here cinna saulo. Fcd pants being made. We're like well this in a he was like whoops like to ha- and you know there was a grey market guy that was taken all this stuff to japan. He would knock anybody off. And they always said he's japan mafia. You this guy. Yeah and we'd see him at the trade shows and stuff. I need always have an entourage. And he's carrying this briefcase and they said don't mess with him. He was knocking off. Sad pants in this factory that we were or like all my god. We don't want to do any business with this guy. He's a crook. Yeah so that was kind of short lived. But i'll never forget that we were like wait. A minute heike. Do you know that they're making solid pants or no no. We don't make anything over there. Well they're making we saw. We saw also cinna. Sallow is under under chest. Protector was ahead of. Its time to like you. Look at this hour. You look at the alpine star. A one or the rebel from the folks that fly. Yeah and that's the thing was kind of like that. It was a plastic chest. Only wear it under a jersey type of stuff right. Nobody was doing that. You know so. Yeah if you look back i mean actually i have to give. Jt the credit. I think they they actually made the first version of that hannah. My hand might a war before before it came on the outside and we had kids on that we would sell thousands of just a little little kids one because it fit and to this day. I think if you could go get the to leaner i know i mean they had all that stuff at finland and modernize it. I think guys would like that because e that foam stuff on you this was lifted off your skin a little. Because you have the foam on the exterior and you know the some of those first four months man. You'd wear them on a hot day and you're sweating okay. It it kills a roost. A little bit and i think i think frankly you could put a little. I and i think you should put a little shoulder protection in their to these these ones that these guys are wearing now. There's nothing there you fall on your shoulder you know and i'll tell you from experience. I did crash one day when i was still riding the years ago and I hit my shoulder so hard. And i swear that that that little bit of cushion saved that because i heard a little bit but i didn't separate it or anything and you know those guys. Don't wanna wear it. I remember bradshaw used to say. Can we make tear off chest protector. I just need it for the whole shot. And then i'd like to get rid of it. You imagine twenty guys throw on a chest protector off like tear off goggle. Yeah what was the. What was the best selling thing you had. I mean the glove the kidney belt. That's excellent one. It had to be the it had to be the fcd pan and and then probably gloves. And of course you know. Jerseys are given. If you're selling pants you're gonna sell jerseys. Also you talk about that the issue with honda at some point. You guys are making honda line stuff. Well that was kind of before us gemini got the end of that because they were making a brand honda tried to push a brand called. T. extent yes. Yeah and then we got involved with thad and we said man. We're going to get rick. Johnson out of the steel and we had i remember at a photo shoot and then ricky got freaked out. He didn't wanna look. Like larry ward and george holland in right. He's like no. I'm rick johnson. I gotta i gotta look different than he jumped ship and went back to j t. Yeah yeah yeah. But we ended up with guy. Cooper and larry ward i think eddie cole got george holland. And i don't know larry larry. I think you know we had larry. Larry larry ward was a big problem. Larry board ziggy was his mechanic. Yeah yeah and ziggy. I met you know i remember. Ziggy sent me a resume in his prom outfit or something that i go. We kept that resume because at that his his tuxedo was like four sizes too big. And i'll never get that and and that's how we became friends means ziggy. Yeah and this is long before factory. Connect mike mcandrews had it at the time. And this and that. But he was. Larry wards mechanic larry ward wouldn't wear actual boots and we go. You gotta wear actual boots and and we said the honda to the extent. You gotta stop paying these guys and guy cooper was a problem too with the boots and we said stop paying them and they'll wear the boot we do that. You know honda's too big of a corporation and we have to so they sent guys up to axle and we had to give these depositions like they had to weigh that guy. Cooper said the toe caps were too heavy. So we're weighing toe caps. I mean it was just nonsense. And larry ward wanted all these things so we said okay. Ramo may make some boats and send them overnight yup to lax. I drove to lax to clear customs and cleared these boots. Ziggy goes. they were at unitil of that weekend. I hand cleared him jumped on a flight. Flew to new york went to unit. Dila dog tired. I think i had to go on red eye right. And ziggy said larry ward et made one lap in them and took them off and said i'm not wearing these and then put his high points back on so then when he's at the writers meeting or something ziggy through the high points in the trash and he had to wear that day. Yeah and it was. Like i mean we just had larry ward was a problem and then what's funny is then he wrote for me or for honda troy yep and then later he wanted to wear garni boots and i go. You are the biggest problem. I don't want anything to do with you. And you know he was a problem with rand paul's to he denies all this stuff to me. And i'm like larry. No no no he was like. Oh if they're one millimeter back and so we're flying handlebars back and forth and and finally it was just like i think we change the sticker and we just gave them the same handlebar and he said these are perfect. Perfect rewards stories around about mechanics that worked with them and other. Oh i like larry. Now but he was he was he was hard to work with. Yeah yeah so yeah okay. You know maybe taos. Ski was was the guy i was thinking. I don't know i can't remember. Yeah you they're all skis Grew yeah maybe yeah because he was an answer guy anyhow so maybe maybe he wasn't honda for stint. Yeah maybe cool man. Thanks for doing this bob. I appreciate it Yeah really fun. Time really cool path through the industry for sure and lots of cool accomplishments by yourself and your team and everybody else man so thank you. Thank you for the time. Yeah yeah it's been You know a lot of a lot of fun and you know in this motorcycle industry. I will say. I met some of the best people in the world. And you know it's true. You know a lot of people in life but we all like motorcycles. Than i always say you know i think i could probably be just about in any part of the world and make a phone call and go. Hey you wanna go to dinner and yeah and that person would say. Hey i want you got a place to stay. Wanna spend the night and you go. What other industry could you do that and have fun and and look forward to seeing people. You know you're right. Yeah very good point for sure. So that's awesome. Thank you for doing the fly racing racer x podcast bob. Kemp thanks man. All right thank you see you later. Takes for listening to the fly racing. Steve mathis show. Don't forget to check out. Some of our past shows including motocross legends. Such as the boy johnson jock over to the side. The tendons were jerk in weird places and it might be a big disappointment. Danny store because that he never said sorry danny nine france. And we've never talked since before the five hundred events. Dave and i fly to germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take them back and off. We go and you know. We ran nickel. Nicosia cylinders is a factory part for handful of years before anybody ever saw in production in mcgill. Was all you know. He did the big pancake thing. And he's got the thing he's completely on the gas tank trying to miss his tree mean he would have gotten even harder jumped farther if that tree had been. You know. Been there don. I love the guy. I don't dislike. I think he's the greatest competitors. The sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in switzerland or belgium forty five minutes on same baiju. You're not beating or is there you crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better. Nowadays than they were in states fool so different bikes different beasts from the east damon. It got to the point where. I didn't wanna leave home and once i got to the race. I wasn't into it if i wasn't going to give one hundred percent. I'm not gonna take your money working class hero. An emotional moment for me just thinking to myself at it. you know. It's amazing the stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that i was going to miss machine until you open yours and you wanna listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse and i know from personal experience been anybody ever sitting down. Of course everybody did. Go two ways to make the money one is. You can sign for money or two. You can earn money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money so in time. Jeremy mcgrath mad like so disappointed. So frustrated said i pick and i left every point count. I could kick myself to this day for not just driving around and ten being no problem. My my ego gotten away you know. 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GSMC Weird News Podcast Episode 167: Bears and Florida Strike Again

GSMC Weird News Podcast

35:41 min | 2 years ago

GSMC Weird News Podcast Episode 167: Bears and Florida Strike Again

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Or it's the golden state media concepts weird news podcast salutes thermo and welcome to the g. s. m. c. weird news. Podcast brought brought to you by the g._m._c. podcast network. I am your host. Sarah and i am quite happy and excited to be with you to talk about some weird things that are going on on in the world today. There's plenty of weird news out there but <hes> i like the weird news the kind of makes you giggle instead of worrying about the state of if the world wondering what it's going to look like in ten years or fifty years or those kinds of weird stories no i like the i like the weird news stories that are a little quirky a little silly <hes>. Maybe an interesting historical factor too yeah just something that you can take a half hour out of your day okay listen to and <hes> escape from the the regular weird news of the world a i'd say kind of all news anymore seems like it's weird news but but for this podcast we're gonna stick with the stuff that we're gonna stick with the escapist weird news him about that as you can see from the title of this episode we do have some bear stories and some florida stories as often happens on this podcast will start with a bear and the police again as often happens those bears you know they're just they're all the time getting involved with police but this bear somehow somehow fell onto a police car. Not just any police car a moving police car. I don't know if there was a <hes> watch for falling bears. There's sign where these these lives. Police car was driving but <hes> yikes so this was <hes> in northern california which is kind of crazy. 'cause i live in northern northern california and i am hoping that a bear will not fall on my car is that would be awkward and i assume that insurance insurance covers a bear falling on your car. I've never asked that should be one of those commercials where they they you know they. They know a thing or two. They seen nothing or whatever that is anyway you know. Hopefully you know what i'm talking about it. <hes> we know things too because we've seen a thing or two well clearly. I know the commercials but the tagline hasn't stuck with me. Let's get back to the bear so a bear fell onto a police car which caused a crash and a fire that destroyed the vehicle along with a half an acre of vegetation in northern california. <hes> thankfully driver wasn't injured and the bear fled the scene gene. Oh my goodness so this happened in humboldt county in northern california it was a sheriff's car and it had its lights and sirens on on at eleven pm on august third while it responded to an overdose call on its way though a bear fell from an embankment and onto onto the hood per k._r._c. are the a._b._c. station in reading that is really northern california <hes> cal trans the state highway department said via facebook that the the patrol car struck an embankment rolled over and caught fire. You know how that always happens in movies. No matter how minor crashes it always catches fire and or blows up this time it actually happened. The flames then spread to nearby vegetation. I'm so glad it didn't burn more than a half acre because this time of year fires can be extremely really dangerous. <hes> the outcome of the overdose which sparked the initial call wasn't clear <hes> but the mckell tran said on facebook travelers are reminded to stay alert while exploring the beautiful highways and nature of district one bears elk and deer are just some of the critters sharing our coastal a home the agency shared images of the destruction on facebook and yeah that is one burned out shell of a car my goodness <hes> so a bear falling down an embankment i off must you bears aren't usually fairly clumsy but this one fell off an embankment and just happened to land on a moving police vehicle causing it to run into that same embankment. The driver was not hurt so that's good the bear fled. The scene probably didn't want to get arrested. Don't blame it. It may be it was <hes> under the influence of like you know from entered hook berries or something bears you just never i know i once <hes> was in a car that got hit by a bear we were driving and the bear came up over the guardrail on the side of the highway and and ran started to run across the highway and we didn't hit it hit us it literally t-boned us ran into the side of the car. It seemed okay. It ran off the car was okay but yeah that's my that's my only experience with <hes> a bear and i'm glad that i have never hit one <hes>. I've never hit a a deer either. Knock on wood. I know lots of people who i grew up in montana and that is one of the things but a bear is is a lot bigger and could do some major damage to your your vehicle so i'm glad that this wasn't worse than it was. That is the good news <hes> and i would assume that another officer took the call for the overdose the original purpose of the call 'cause when you're police car <hes> does it didn't blow up but it did catch fire so you kinda have trouble getting to the place that you were being sent to in the first place so <hes> cakes. That's all i really have to say no. I keep saying it so another another bear story. This one is in colorado california colorado. We have the sea states with bears and this one is that a bear smashed through a wall all and the headline says colorado bear smashes through wall like kool aid man. Do they still have those cool man commercials. You know where the coolest the big picture of kuwait's mashes through something and says oh yeah. I don't watch regular t._v. Enough to know that's terrible big part of my childhood. Though so this happened in estes park and the homeowners homeowner said he's learned not to put deviled eggs in the trash oh my goodness so the bears entered this colorado home and looking for deviled eggs apparently but it's exit was straight out of a kool-aid commercial estes park homeowner john so wenski said the bear entered his house through an open door after smelling some goodies in the garbage so the door was open. Okay what happened at what had happened. Was we had put the trash in the house so it wouldn't attract the bears. I should have closed the door. He told denver station k. u. S. atv <hes> oh goodness instead of closing the door. Sill wenski went upstairs for a few minutes giving hungry barra chance to get inside and get some deviled eggs that were in the trash. Can that bear probably thought yes. I have struck. I have struck it than struck br gold this time <hes> however things then got tricky when the animal accidentally closed the door with the trash can and became stuck in the home abair in your home stuck never a good thing <hes> the bear did manage to get out by taking a lesson from one popular advertising i khan according to a facebook post by the estes park police department which says upon officers arrival said bear forcibly breached a hole in the wall like the kool aid man and made it to scape whoever writes these <hes> you know i love. I've said this before. I love creative people on social media. I love when they it can have since humor when they can take story and <hes> you know have when it's appropriate have a sense of humor about it and say things that i probably wouldn't think of but makes me laugh anyway. <hes> the <hes> so the the colorado parks and wildlife told fox news that bears have entered over over thirty five vehicles and nine homes in estes park area northwest of denver between july twenty fourth and august third. That's not a big gap of time nine c._b._w. Says that some bears are so used to finding food and vehicles that they will break into cars even when they can't see or smell food meanwhile so winston his wife have huge memento of their recent guests and some newfound knowledge about what not to do around bears so so yes so wenski said don't put deviled eggs in your trash cans told k. u._s._a. Tv <hes> probably don't leave the deviled eggs in your trash can and then leave your door open. Wear a bear can get in but who you know how many of us would have thought that they they thought let's leave it in the house. The bears won't get it well. What some some forget to close the door so the bears still can get it. Oh bears they'll eat anything anyway. We are going to go ahead and take our first break of the podcast cast. When we come back. We'll be traveling to the great state of florida where strange things tend to happen so stay tuned. You're listening to the g._m._c. weird news podcast in the right back. Let's say you just bought a house. Bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll probably mold along ask. If anybody noticed you mow the lawn. Tell people to stay off the lawn. Compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again. 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I mean there florida man memes so it's not like people don't know that this is the thing there really should be some kind of a a show about florida man in new way <hes>. This florida man took a golf cart on a war on a ride through walmart. You know like you do a maybe there gordon carts. I don't know but <hes> police said. The suspect wanted to speak to a manager okay. This was in gibson florida and a third authorities say a fifty six year old floor man florida man took his gulf cart on a wild ride through a walmart store terrorizing shoppers and ignoring deputies orders orders to stop before crashing into a cash register and i am looking at the video right now he really did just drive that gulf cartwright two doors and it fit a uh of i'd never thought about it before i honestly never looked at the doors in walmart or really anywhere else and thought. I wonder if i could drive through these. Maybe other people have those thoughts but i personally have never had them so yep. Drove through terrorize shoppers crashed into a cash register. <hes> hillsborough county sheriff's investigators. I say they were summoned to the store near tampa on thursday where they found michael dale hudson blocking the liquor store entrance with his golf cart the tampa bay times reports he was demanding to speak to a manager as deputies spoke to hudson. They say he suddenly dove toward the store's main entrance. Entrance customers jumped out of the way as he barreled through the door. He raced toward the checkout area. Hitting several customers goodness drove. I'm sorry not dove which i was thinking he dove or what happened the golf cart. No he drove. He was jailed on multiple charges including aggravated battery. A lawyer wasn't listed on jail records complete. Please hit customers. That's terrible. I wonder if he was drinking <hes> yeah it does not say as to i mean so he was arrested but the article does is <hes> sad sadly lacking in its detail of what happened with this man because he drove drove golf cart into walmart. He wanted to speak to a manager. He hit people with his golf cart. Yeah i would like to see a follow up on lightness if you have if you if you know what happened with this story maybe you are in walmart what had happened <hes>. Please tell me exactly what the heck happened with this florida a man speaking of florida this time it is not a florida man north florida woman but a florida septic tank septic tanks. Oh such an adventure in well yeah. There's always problems with septic tanks anyway. <hes> this was this the story is that a florida toilet exploded after lightning struck a septic tank. Oh i hope no one was in the bathroom author at the time so this happened in port charlotte florida and a florida woman says lightning destroyed her septic tank and caused a toilet in her house to explode owed mary. Lou ward tells television station w. I n. K. news that the sole toilet in her port charlotte home was shattered into hundreds of pieces cases on sunday. Ward says that the explosion was the loudest sound she's ever heard and that she also smelled smoke. She's a plumber told well her lightning hit. The methane gas that had built up in the pipes from feces ward says she'll have to get the toilet and septic tank repaired but she's he's thankful that no one was injured so yes that is good stuff. Maybe this is common. I have never heard of this particular thing happening but methane methane as we know is flammable. It's <hes> there's a picture of the toilet. It is in many many pieces. I mean really you're just sitting there one day. There's a storm going on outside the last thing i'm thinking of when when it comes to storm preparation and you know bad storms in florida gets it's share of really bad storms that people have to do things to prepare for. I doubt the one thing you're thinking of is is lightning going to strike my <hes>. My septic tank is lightning going to ignite the methane built up from the feces that obviously are in the septic tank and the pipes because that's how that works once you flush. You know it's not a sewer system. It goes into the septic. Tank is lightning going to ignite the methane gas and blow up my toilet and it's her only toilet. She doesn't have a second bathroom or she does yeah so that sucks. I mean come on. I thought you know if you think you're having a bad day. Just be glad that lightning did not blow up your toilet and oh i mean the toilet blew up but i'm wondering what is the condition of the pipes apes in the septic systems of the septic tank itself because it is full of some unpleasant and that's putting it mildly unpleasant contents since that see now. I'm just picturing the explosion. I i know that it said it was the toilet that blew up but now i'm picturing the septic tank blowing up and all the stuff that is just it's like flying everywhere when i was when i was young my cousin used to walk around in their pastor and he would pick up dried cow patties and he would throw them up in the air and then kicked them so that only the dry ones but still when you kick them they would shatter and fly everything everywhere everywhere and that was disgusting enough. This is that times about a billion because it wouldn't be tried and would oh. I know it was the toilet but still still i cannot get my brain to stop thinking about the septic tank blowing up. I may need to go eat chocolate. No that just just see now engrossing myself out. I may need to just go curl up in the fetal position and built you know maybe we'll the fort under my desk and curl up in the fetal position for a while. Yes you know what i need to move on. I need move on away from florida away from bears away from exploding toilets and <hes> let's look at a bird who is a legend among birds a seagull who is a legend now among birds why because an eight an entire apple pie and when it says apple pie. We're not talking around apple pie now. This is click rectangle or apple pie in the video at any rate. <hes> you know that that takes some effort still a viral footage shows the bird on the hood of a car as its fellow birds battle four scraps then someone throws a small apple pie similar to the kinds sold in convenience convenience stores at a mcdonald's so we're not talking like you know an apple pie that you'd have at thanksgiving unless that's the kind that you have thanksgiving. I'm not here to judge but <hes> rather than share. The seagull swallows the entire pie. It is really impressive actually because you know it's rectangular and the is it the way it just goes into his mouth and eat just swallows it whole i. I don't know if it's a he but it's not known where or when the footage was shot but that is one impressive bird. I know segel's will eat just about anything but this is one lucky bird. I wonder how full he was. She was it was after eating that much and how much purpose sugar high it had do birds get sugar is that seems like a lot of sugar in a compact little form for a bird sugar and carbs. I dunno bird word. It's all going to go straight to your hips anyway. Let's <hes> school ahead and take our second break of the podcast and still recovering from the septic tank although the bird and the the pipe to help <hes> when we come back we will be wrapping up this episode of the weird news podcast with some more strangely enough where new stories so stay tuned. You're listening to the g._m._c. weird news podcast and i'll be right back here. It comes again lunch. 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We've talked about florida with duct about tanks and we talked about a a champion among siegel's. Let's <hes> move from florida to virginia now for this next story and this the story involves <hes> you know how in the summer if you live in a community where people have gardens and it seems to be like zucchini when they have way too much sukey he neither always trying to ponder zucchini off on. You and i have one friend who says that their thirtieth anniversary party her husband just started putting bags of zucchini in people's cars at threat so they got you know people got a parting gift with bag of zucchini but this is a little different in that <hes> there is a person who is leaving t._v.'s and on people's porches in a virginia town and he's not only leaving t._v.'s. He's dressing like a t._v. He's wearing a t._v. So this is in henrico county virginia nia and <hes> many residents have been visited by a strange person wearing a television set on their head who has been leaving vintage. T._v.'s on their porches is for a while now at least sixty people have been subjected to the bizarre antics. Why does this person have sixty t._v.'s but <hes> which witnesses say they are being done by a guy dressed in a jumpsuit with tv for ahead. It's the weirdest thing he's squats down puts the t._v. There air and walks off. It's really weird. This is a quote from resident adrian garner and who told richmond station w._w. B._t. My first reaction was did we order this not in an amazon box. It was just kind of strange. <hes> jim brooks bank who found an old tube style thirteen inch atv on his porch finds the prank sorta funny but can't figure out the purpose he says i can't think of any technology or political point. That would be valid here. It's just a senseless prank. <hes> lieutenant matt pex of the henrico police department said more than one person is doing the t._v. Porch dumps he said officers officers picked up most of the t._v.'s already so that citizens wouldn't have to waste time or money dropping off the orphan. T._v.'s at the dump <hes> although no crime has been committed police are urging anyone who saw uh spot suspicious activity to call the henrico county police and <hes> apparently is not the first time this has it happened. This is the second time that henry has been tormented with t._v.'s last august more than twenty. T._v.'s left on port on the porteous of henrico homes but it is unknown whether is connected to the current perpetrators according to the richmond times dispatch. Somebody needs to do some research and find out what it is about august in this place and t._v.'s. There's clearly a connection obviously the maybe it's the maybe this is the second annual leaving of the the t._v.'s. Maybe it's going to be a thing every august people. Will you know it's not quite as exciting as like easter bunny or santa claus but t._v. man. Maybe he's just a maybe he's trying to he or she or they are trying to start a thing. Maybe they are just trying to to create a new <hes> not really a superhero but a mythical figure like santa claus but they'll leave an old probably not working t._v. On your porch comes ends up with this stuff who carries it out and why really why is the question. Somebody definitely needs to figure you get to the bottom of this that we can learn what in the heck is going on in in virginia but <hes> speaking of police and strange things. <hes> police caught a parked motorist playing pok. Come on go on eight different phones. I didn't actually know that. Pokemon go was still really a thing. I guess it's still around <hes> but i you know kind of surged there for royal and then <hes> died off a little bit but this now is in washington state and the driver was pulled off on a road shoulder and which is a spot thought he was in a spot that was only supposed to be used for emergencies which is probably why the police checked in <hes> texting while driving of course is not. It's something that you're supposed to do but playing pokemon go and pulled off just by the side of the road is a great idea either especially when your attention is occupied by eight different phones at once. I commend this person for their their diligence. I mean eight phones. It's not hard to it's not. It's not an easy thing to keep track of eight phones. Sergeant kyle smith of the washington state patrol spotted the unidentified pokemon go player doing just this in a car parked on the shoulder road near the seattle tacoma international airport according to the smoking gun. No citation was issued since smith did nazi the man driving while occupied with the game but because parking on the road shoulder is only acceptable in emergencies the officer did ask the driver to put the phones in the back seat and get on his trip according to seattle station k. i. r. o. rick johnson a public information officer for the state patrol troll decided to turn a photo smith took the incident into a teachable moment. This is on twitter trooper. Rick johnson writes hashtag hike pokemon distraction sergeant kyle smith contract contacted. Excuse me a vehicle on the shoulder yesterday evening. This is what was next to the driver playing <hes> hashtag pokemon go with eight in parentheses. The number eight phones dr agreed dry. Excuse me driver agreed to put phones owns in backseat and continued his commute with eight less distractions and yet they're. They are eight phones sitting there. Just you know ready ready for pok mon job. Some twitter users felt that there was a need for a tougher reaction to the potentially reckless behavior. <hes> one twitter user says i would've pete shooed his <hes> post earier. It's not what it said out asterix or you know at sign dollar sign dollar sign just in case you hadn't figured that out but <hes> another d- another twitter user said i would have made the guy stand on an overpass wearing a dunce cap gap with a sign that reads i drove will playing pokemon go on eight devices that seems a little harsh decides if you're standing on john overpass. There's absolutely no way you're going to be able to read a sign that says that much on it. You gotta have shorts distinct signs on went but you know i drove all playing pokemon. Go on eight devices not going to be able to be read that easily by most people end and if you're trying to read that much while driving if you're the passenger at school but if you try to read that while driving than you're just gonna have the same issue of being distracted while driving and that is not a good thing so i guess pokemon goes still a thing. It's certainly still thing for this guy since he has eight phones eight devices whatever he had that he was playing on. That's a lot to keep track of. I yeah i don't even want to carry eight devices around with me. Let alone keep tr- keeping track of anything on all of those eight devices but <hes> you know if if if it weren't for people like this then we wouldn't have weird news speaking of weird news news and <hes> this is an actual arrest so an accused car thief was also carrying some interesting interesting items with him. <hes> authorities said stephen jennings had a gun in the console and an open bottle of kentucky deluxe swiss. Keep the it's not the weirdest part this <hes> happening guthrie oklahoma and police in oklahoma say they found a rattlesnake a canister of radioactive radioactive powder uranium and an open bottle of kentucky deluxe whisky during a traffic stop vehicle that had been reported stolen. The traffic stop happened. <hes> june twenty-sixth in guthrie about thirty miles north of oklahoma city guthrie police sergeant anthony gibbs said oklahoma city t._v. station k. f. o. r. told the the station that police don't know why the uranium was in the vehicle or how it was tained though you radium or apparently can't be bought on amazon you buy anything on amazon but should you be able to buy anything on amazon. Gibbs says please also fund a gun in the console in a terrarium in the back seat containing a pet timber rattlesnake that is not a good that is not a good a good <hes> <hes> a good pet. I'm just going to go up snakes or one thing. Rattlesnakes venomous snakes just not a good idea. <hes> gibbs says the driver stephen jennings was was charged with possession of a stolen vehicle transporting an open container of liquor and driving with a suspended license. He remains jailed in logan organ county at least at the time that this article was written which was in july <hes> yeah. It's an older article legal but okay stopping because it was a stolen vehicle so it wasn't like it was a routine traffic. Stop but any one of those things the open liquor in that's probably seen more often than you would think but the rattlesnake wow powdered uranium. I don't feel so bad about what's in in my car now. I can't even think of anything that that you know i need to pick up some receipts that have fallen out of my purse and <hes> i could probably vacuum and dust. That's it's always a given but i have never transported rattlesnake. Nope don't want to not gonna do it and uranium. I guess you can buy it on amazon. Otherwise there was ed said i have no idea how to get out of uranium but i'm not going to order it from amazon and i'm gonna say neither should you don't have good reason for that except that you just nope who des yeah unless you're working in a lab somewhere and you have a really good reason and if you're working in a lab somewhere then chances are good you don't have to or maybe they'd still order from amazon. I really don't no. It's definitely time to wrap. This episode of my brain is just going in all kinds of places uranium rattlesnakes septic tanks. It is time for this podcast outcast to just move on thanks for joining me <hes> tune in next time and we'll find out what else is going to blow my mind and in the meantime stay weird ah it summer might be ending but with decor from the home depot your dorm or apartment makeover is just beginning from plush bedding to stackable origin decor to the microwave. He'll use more than you ever thought possible. The home depot has everything. 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Interview with Caleb Harris, author of Suffering in Silence: August 15th, 2003

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Interview with Caleb Harris, author of Suffering in Silence: August 15th, 2003

"Hello, this is Eric Morris Eskenazi I am the host of the Iraq dispatches podcast. Thanks for tuning into this latest episode in which I chat with writer, Kayla Paris discussing his new novel suffering in silence, August fifteenth, two thousand, three, and also going over his blog entries and his phone projects. Hello thanks for listening to the erotic dispatches podcast. We'll be back shortly after brief break. Hello I've been using anger. Dot FM now for about almost a year for the podcast. Dispatches which is distributed through anger, dot FM, completely free to use very easy and any audio the upload. Through the website. Will Be. Used to organize your audio files, and once your podcast ready to submit, it will be available to stream with at least eight different streaming sites. So Caleb I just wanted to start out does to ask you. Do, you mind sharing with The listeners your up. You're writing background and like how long you've been writing. Yes sure okay. So basically been writing for quite some time. Now have a mass communications degree S- about five years, so I graduated in two thousand. Seventeen in twenty six years old right now so now I've been writing still riding still making books blogs in Moscow doing movies as well great. That's excellent what you're selling her a big inspiration for writing. I would definitely say guys like judo. Spike Lee Henry David Thoreau attack utilities Other philosophers have helped me keep going. Okay? In your your. From Connecticut. Now Buffalo Connecticut okay. Have you. Lived there your whole life? I've been can. Ever since I was a child I was born and raised in Hartford Connecticut so I've moved around to places as well so right now i. just live an entry. Okay. Nice, so you really enjoyed reading your book. Suffering in silence, August fifteen, two, thousand three, and wanted to know like. was there a lot of like biographical content with your novel? A song. Yes, in some no 'cause there are some scenes were I did grow up in the south, a little big and my father and I didn't always get along in beyond good terms so him and I don't really have the best relationship, but definitely with Birmingham Alabama. That's a place of mind where I usually don't hang out with out in the south that month Carr's I just felt as if I didn't really fit in as well. Then like the the character of Ricky did you ever do any teaching? Now I never did any teaching I was a paraprofessional, but I've always been fascinated with films like we not meet a standby or in one eight seven, so those kind of teacher films is what I really wanted to go for a really wanted to not explorer as much as like the out of control kids, but most importantly the out of control like staff and Yada Control Environment, not not too. Many people really talk about because it does get pretty hectic at his school because he trying your best, but you not. You don't really have too many people behind you. Did you ever have any friends that like teachers at inspired you to write about like the different sort of conflicts. They had like Miss Weathers, the character and the. Other student teachers ever coming in summer slacking. Some are pretty rude. I know a couple. I know there was this one woman that I used to be like good friends with A. we're still friends. We don't talk as much, but she's a teacher. As well as you would always talk to me about how hard it is the way he had kids the listen how the staff like they're basically against you in it is for all these like petty reasons, and it just makes you so complicated. Because all you really WanNa do is just go home work. Do the best you can do and. Just go home. And also been reading your different blog. Entries really enjoyed them. and. I saw like know some of the stuff in your blogs. It was like some of the things you write about your blogs like you. Had it into novel as well like deliver. Things about like you know toxic friends and. you know Substance Abuse Send self-discovery. You know so very powerful stuff, right? And Like you read that one of your blog entries was called naked, not afraid keeping emotions disclose I really enjoyed Ed. Thank you, yeah! How long. How long have you been blogging? I've been blogging for a ball I WANNA say three years now, and it wasn't something that I was. Trying to do, but the reason why I have a blogs to show people that like I could actually. I could actually tell stories I could actually talk about things like mental health transparency accountability, and all these other things just give people a just a mile writing style and hopes that they'll actually my my own material. So your book is coming out in August and I see that like a kindle released, but do you plan maybe also maybe like Iraq released or hardback released. Yeah, the paperback will actually come onto fifteenth as well so people have the option actually get kindle e book, actually have the option to get the paper back in the audio book will be out very soon. audiobook great. About that. Did you do the audiobook yourself or do you have like different like like actors do different voices or just one person reading the text? Right now I'm into. Miss the actually getting things together, so are basically would just be doing the whole thing. Myself and I'm not too sure we're actually going to put it out, but I'll probably just would call it the whole thing myself. I have a little bit of a background in like editing and okay I'm recording so I I think I the so. Okay! And the the character of of Joel novel, the trainer and the guy was also involved the church group. was He based on anybody? You know I guess from your pass. Yeah he was based on one guy knew his name was like our past to Tony, and he was actually video like if you want my life in, he wasn't like every other. Christian guy always hung out with so it was like my mother always wanted me to get involved with the church, but as I got older I basically. Just do my own thing. Will, have some religious used, but not too many, but he was one of those guys like he was very transparent like you would just tell you what he had been through and hopes that you can relate back to him, but he never liked the push church on anybody so dwells ration- does come from that guys well. That? Stuck in the novel, the stuff that Ricky and his father tyrone was really powerful, no complexity of the father son relationship, and when he's down, south in the grandmother you know in about how he didn't like bullied. You know as well so you covered a lot of really. Great? You know really powerful topics. We, mentioned films I. Know You also mentioned for film references in your blog entries like days, confused and and networks, so no, it was still background. Do you do directing do writing and producing? I've done A. Of all three, the last home I put Al was in two thousand sixteen was actually a documentary titled Help Us, and I was in Enfield with a couple of people and we're were videotaping. What was going on with a heroin epidemic and Eventual Connecticut? Because there are a lot of young kids, young boys and girls, every dying of this and the media was just you know telling about the story, but as usual with I've noticed with media like I've actually said this is. The film network before they control the narrative, so they can show what they want you to hear what they want you to see so mine was more like an underground like there actually are people doing something about it. There's actually dropped boxes where people could actually take the drugs, but inside the dropbox and there's. No consequences are because anything, but there are people that are actually doing something about it. I talked to the police department I talked to. A mental health groups in Enfield Connecticut as well so there are people trying to come up with solutions, but unfortunately the media doesn't really cover that much. And Ernie of your projects from projects of able like online don't want the helpless is online on Youtubecom all you have to do is just type in. And feel documentary and you could just see into entirety. Okay? I'll check it out if you're okay at that pace. Elaine con the profile page for this podcast for the listeners to see. Okay Great. do you mind sharing what are as a writer? What are the biggest challenges and joys? What are the biggest challenges is actually writing like? Just you know putting your actual paper down it whether it's you keyboard or whatever lake just actually finding the time the right because I do have a job to do work as a pair possession ladder, school and I do other odd jobs as well so my time is a writer is limited so I definitely have to find. Find Tanya respected, but sometimes you just tired, and you're lazy, but the join is actually getting the book done like when the book is done, and you go through another edited another edit, but like when it's officially done, and there's no more edits. There's nothing more you can do. You finally have a finished product and that definitely makes me feel a hell of a lot better. and. How long did you work on the novel for? Two years. From two thousand, eighteen to two, thousand, twenty, and I recently had the whole book was done earlier in Two thousand twenty boy I was still kinda nervous to release it but figured. A somebody has to talk about these issues that men go through especially young men around my age. I'm twenty six years old, but I've always seen around eighteen to thirty six. Not Too many young men really like to talk about their issues, so these are the kind of books. I WanNa hit home with. And like did you ever take any classes on like? On psychology or like? Social or stealing social work type stuff. I took one class. The psychology and I took a lot of communication clauses, which basically helped me like understand how people interact and like a workplace around their friends or relationships. You know certain friends and family, and all those kind of things and I've always been avail observant guy like I. Really don't talk too much I'm really just an introvert, but I've always been very observant. I could always pick up on what people saying what people do, so. I pick up on. What's right and wrong in their? A typewriter, who who writes every day or you? Just you know rise whenever you have the free time. I write every day, but it's a combination of the two like sometimes I. Use right when I feel like af I skin day. Make sure that I'll go to the next day in a rice nothing now. Are just all over the place, but I try to like ignore chartered Organiz them and put them on one desk, and then I'll just go through everything, and I'll see what I like and see what I don't like. Sometimes I throw things out a stump. Things I just keep, but at the process of a writer. And do you have like a group of friends or peers, either in Connecticut, where you live or or people like Oliver that are writers as well and filmmakers. I actually don't know too. Many of my friends and family connection so have to be a no, but I still reach out. Maybe there are some people that still right in there, probably just afraid. The publisher owns stuff that could be it. Hello, thanks for listening to the erotic dispatches podcast. Will be back shortly after the break. And D. do you mind sharing like any kind of a coming projects? You're doing like a either with writing or with so making. With right now with writing the only thing that solid is suffering in silence, August fifteenth two, thousand three, which will be out very soon, but for just my blogs along always be posting blogs on Mondays on unpopular opinions dot com, so you could just check out all my boggs. They're like every Monday. I Post. I'm available on facebook and Instagram so just check me out on. Their I'm always posting about things all the time. Okay And Do you mind sharing any kind of stories that inspired you when you're working on her novel? It was a bad relationship. I had with my father. Who is we always logged batted heads all the time, but it was one of those things where he was abusive towards my mother and I remember when I was six years old I remember a try my best to fight him off, and he tried to go after me world, so we don't always see eye to eye. My Dad's lied to me a couple of times. He's told me a truth, but with Sam. More JEKYLL and Hyde effects so I've learned to love him from afar. I hope that one day could actually have a conversation, but it's one of those things where I've learned with my dad. I can't really force it. any anything else like any anything having to your life. Besides the conflict with your father, like anything else, you know the instances. Inspired any any of the. Like the subplots or any other characters within the novel. Now definitely say like my sobriety that definitely helped the lockers I remember I used to drink a lot because I was just trying to party with all my friends in. It's one of those things where you're basically in your adolescence, but you don't know an actually. Leave it at least a bad parts behind like you know like the drugs and the alcohol unlike promiscuous sex, and all those things, so I did out troubles leaving those those things behind and there. There were some people I. Just don't hang out with. Don't talk to anymore so I did put a little bit of that and rookie Johnson's character and actually you know told people the reason why he does. All these kind of things is because he's looking for a place of understanding, and maybe people will understand it. Maybe people won't understand but is there are a lot of young men out there like Ricky Johnson who are just lost walking around in circles. is there anything about living in Connecticut that inspires your writing like the the atmosphere or different different areas or different the different parks. There really isn't too much inspiration in Connecticut that I've seen, but there's like parks I go to this one place. I go to called the Windsor locks trails I. Go out there a lot. They have this really cool like her. Fiji Bridge, when I'm out. There I'm just hanging out. I just listened to the water and definitely helps me out with Lake. Just myself to write a whole lot more, and it's just very mine-clearing for me. and. What about like? What are your biggest music influences in in regards to writing? Now, that's very complicated. I listened to a lot of like different kinds of music, so I would definitely say my favorite band is the band ready for the world is? They're very eighties. Ban I was really into like fifty cent of logic. Kendrick Lamar so basically just rapid basically has some kind of a message to like. Try Call Question de la soul as well so. Anything that really just has some kind of a Asia. It doesn't have a message I. Really just don't listen to it. In like how how have you been doing with the with the lockdown? As have you been writing more? I've been writing a lot more just been keeping me busy I. Mean there are some days where I just saw probably take a day or two off where I usually just been keeping in shape and working out, but riding definitely helps 'cause I just right now. I don't really want to think too much about what's going on. Because there's a whole bunch of yes, nos and maybes and everything about that. It's just really frustrating just complicated. It's like you know. Let's just play this whole thing out. Are you. Is there any like film projects that you're working like? You were guiding screenplays for anything right now? Right now no I'm still trying to get back into the gist of filmmaking because. Writing, books I kind of look fills behind because I always wanted to write books. Boy, one of those things where I won the right films more when I was in college own then when I graduated college now WanNa write more books and films, so I I do have a couple of ideas I just gotTa, put on a paper. That's all. Do you watch the films often? Yeah I watched a couple of films. All the time usually would always watch film for. I go to bed or like on a Sunday. Since I've been working out a little bit more I haven't really been watching too many films. was anything. You've seen recently that you liked. There was this one film I watched. It was on to be TV. It was called I. Think it was red letter day, and it was a bunch of people that are sending everybody letters, never telling everybody to apparently kill one another and people that actually yeah. They had the letters, and they would open them up, and they actually got very paranoid in actually started to try and kill one another. Another so pretty interesting show-me the psychology behind it is you think that some people just everybody would just rip up the piece of paper, but then people have very alterior motive, so other people actually do have psychopathic tendencies like that and actually take advantage these kind of things, so it was pretty interesting. It was on his onto the Tube I. Yeah, I've used that APP you out the check. Sounds, great. Anything else any other interesting interesting stories that inspired you know your on writing or your blog entries. I think it was just like I. Really Attach us. Oh, delight Junot, Diaz or else. In lemony snicker because it's just those kinds of books. They were as just. It's raw transparent, unlike some of it is said, and some of it is happy, but most importantly like. It just feels real to me like obviously it's fiction, but it doesn't seem like it's faking. It doesn't seem like it's forced, but it definitely has some kind of an edge to us I believe it was those three guys that definitely. Inspired my way of writing. And you have like. Have you had a lot of positive feedback already from? from your novel like any like friends or associates. That I've had. A couple of people have just reached out to me random leanest. Hey, man, keep up the good work. I mean I really you know I've read the full of Bank but I definitely enjoy what you read because I've done reading, so people have been like you know. They've really liked my readings for some reason, but it's one of those things where some people will buy, and some people won't buy it so I know there's GonNa be some people are probably give me a little bit of backlash, but overall the the opinion right now has been pretty positive, so I can't complain. So I guess before the the lockdown you were doing like public readings, or are you doing it like like online? Dow was still doing them online, because I didn't get too many interviews so I had to reach out to a couple of people and network with a couple of advertising team, so I know Jim. Sparse Ev gave me an opportunity to do a two minute reading, and it was definitely something that a lot of people enjoy it so I'll probably do one more reading before August fifteenth with that'll probably be on instagram or facebook. Okay. And I know it's like you know at the end of novelist says TV continues so your plans to do like like a second part. To the there will be a second part, but won't be any time soon. They'll definitely be other stories in the series of stuttering and silence what they will definitely be focusing on different characters, and who knows maybe Rick Johnson may pop up somewhere in one of these stories. That he great. Yeah, look forward to. Reading a more of your work and in. Your blog entries. Did. You want to share any anything else with the listeners. I do have a website. It's on wintry right now. Because my other one is in construction, but he followed my website linked tree at C.. H., A. R., a. a Dash, Mar, so all my stuff on there like I also do Colson -tations to. If you just need somebody to talk to on my blog on there, my facebook, my instagram, you could also be a guest blogger on my side as well so I have definitely different opportunities on there so definitely check out. Everything else. That was pretty much it I. Mean I'm still available as said before logs, also do another series called midweek. Madness, which is on my instagram page, k., the pates cake, so I basically cover all the craziest videos that I could find on the Internet and I tried to lead by example. You know I jotted like give people actual advice on like how to basically not be an idiot. Really you know just live a good moral life, and just not do all these idiotic things just as quickly. You know what your brain. Hello thanks for listening to the erotic dispatches. PODCAST will be back shortly after the break. Thanks again for tuning into this latest erotic dispatches podcast episode featuring interview with writer Caleb Paris I've include links on the profile page this podcast in which he could purchase suffering in silence, August fifteen, two, thousand, three through Amazon, and also a link in which you could check out the blog entries and his social media accounts. 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Guest: Dennis "Ketchup" Cox

"Appropriate next network production. Welcome to the fly racing Steve Mathis show presented by Max's tires and Rand Paul on racer x online dot COM dot com. Ah with your continued support of our sponsors. We have surpassed ask one thousand five hundred podcast delivered with over fifteen million downloads flick. That Amazon banner on MACs to help us out donate the Patriotic Triana suits you as always enrich your mortal lifestyle by working with the sponsors who support us the original Modo podcast featuring legends of the past stars of today season previews and race reviews introspection opinion backs and laughs. Here's your host Steve. Welcome everybody to fly racing racer racer x podcast lex. Listen appreciate it presented by Maxis and the folks at rent thought. It's been a lot of fun to do these and really I love the kind of this kind of stuff. Guest I have on here coming up. Dennis Cox Aka catch up. 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He's a guy I've read his columns for years never spoke with them until I met for this podcast. So it's Dennis Cox what's up catch up how are you AH quite well. Thank you Steve. Of course everybody just calls you catch up right. Yeah they do our catch. I shorten it. Yeah catch is what most of my my friends call me still phone a racist now today. Twenty twenty Oh yeah. Oh yeah I I'm still doing it. I you know I'm a I do you my own little thing digital magazine now. Called dirty illustrated. Okay and what I'm trying to do is I'm realizing that I was doing it for awhile. Matter Interfax last digital page flip issue. I did was in twenty fourteen. And it was with Lyle Lovett. Uh and it was a cool story about Lau because also complete muddle headed. I know right Yes and I you should get loud on your show. He he's he's too you big time for a podcast like this line of love it you it. Because he's such a muddle. Yeah yeah he does follow me on instagram. Yeah he does follow me on instagram. So what a so I guess. If you were to take yourself back thirty years catch up told you. Hey we're now. Running fuel injected four strokes in super costs. You know what's funny is. I looked up from the back issues and actually and this was a precursor was the comment of August. eighty-three issue. I did a giant four stroke. shoot-out Komo Yeah. Geez at an ex are Yeah Yeah and you know. The laid out baker came out with us and did Did a Honda. And and we we evaluated you know all these vehicles but I was just looking at it and I was looking at the final conclusions and there it's pretty cryptic what was to come at what what has transpired. Yeah it's crazy when you think about it. I mean it started on four stokes. It goes to two strokes you know. What the Elsinore and everything? And then we're back up four strokes. Now it's buddy interesting to talk to you about different things things in the in the industry then and now. What do you make of Moto media now? Obviously you probably know Davy cougs My boss Racer X and met him over the years and know that. What's your take on Moto media now? Well you know what I I. It's still all all really cool but it's it's definitely trans formed from From the old days the old days print you know you had you had to have a publisher because Ford could Ford the the nut to to to pay the bill right and A day you don't have anybody can be a publisher you know with digital publishing. You can just you don't have to overcome overcome that that large you would have to have to You know the pay for the Pay For the brainy right right and anybody could be a podcast or two by by the way catch. Because I'm doing it so yeah trust me anybody can do. That can be a podcast now too. Well it's different though. Yeah good point you do it well so there you go but point. So where do you start. Where do you get into motocross? Let's go back at the time machine here. Like how do you get involved in motorcycles. On the way back machine would go all the way back to When I first started cycle news central which was in seventy four and You know that's when faculty news had a reasonable additions and they had one in my hometown of Austin Texas so so that gave me my start archerd creed was the editor there and we all. We've we kidded him hissed name unfortunately. What Song Body? It's much better to pick nick your name your nickname on you right so Richard hired me and I did the photo. Oh lab work there and I guess they they did it for a couple of years. And then they close the branch down. They offer to people jobs out west. One of them was jody. Don't wow okay yeah. I didn't know that and so Because I used to work with Jodie upcycle new central and Jodi. He laughed about a year earlier and I would still there. And they may come when they closed that they offered me the job there at West Coast addition of Circle Michael New so I went out there and stayed there for about one or two years but then Jodie called me up and asked if I wanted to come work at motocross action. I said I am right. Did you know Jodi growing up in Texas or did you not. It's okay no no. He was from North Texas Denton area. I didn't know him. I didn't really know him other than when he showed up. You know with this whole Dhaka's there simple. Did he show up his high point boots. Would you still wear the highpoint those yes I think he did. Have you know that Johnny Classic Character Joe These brilliant writer he he is. He is a brilliant writer. I've always admired. Joe He's writing you know and So I did that. I'm with working working. motorcross action started in let's see July of nineteen seventy seven okay and I think imax say till about nineteen eighty three okay and that's when I started doing what I didn't originally start. I definitely want to make a note of this is that Dick. Like Miller's started motives eighty two and he you know he did it for about the first year so then they roll in hindsight signed. The publisher asked me to come in. And do it starting in What's it was? I believe it was June one issue okay with eighty three yeah. Let's let's back up a little bit though so you're from Texas. Hey you want to go to California California work. It's work a cycle news west. That's a big. I don't know how old you are. But that's got to be a big move or a big commitment right you parents and everybody else. You're you're like hey I'm going out. Yeah it was twenty seven. Yeah as I said you know what to me. It was like. Hey the worst case Summer vacation vacation in California. Right did you look at it. Did you like the California lifestyle. Did you like it. Well yes although erasing. Yeah because that's where all races were. That's where all the manufacturers are literally you had to be in southern California to kind of be in touch touch with all that stuff right so at this point role in the publisher. Dick Miller is the editor Jodi underneath. Dick is that kind of how it worked. Yeah what else. Health Dick was the editor for EMEC. Say and then then they kind of switch over to doing the motocross magazine. And that was kind of political thing thing You know I don't really know how to speak to that but like I said it was. It was just an interesting way of of of Dealing with going to Berlin philosophies but you always had to magazines in the same field okay. Oh I didn't know that okay. Yeah so that's that's you know he Even though dirt bike and motocross action weren't in the same field. Yup Bro Rolling did start start my three and four wheel action and dirt will so those are two magazine so his whole idea. That was well. They have to advertise in one. One of your magazines point aghast. Yeah sure and then then add guys we go pitch the other one so so literally that that was kind of his philosophy. ACIDY for you or you more of a photographer than a writer like you talked about. Jodi being a writer and I would say I don't know Jodi what I know. Jody wiser from his is writing. We know photography. Let's say were you the opposite and you had to your your strength was photography and you had to get better at journalism and writing. That is absolutely correct. Yeah that's what that's what I did and I gotta give Jodi props were given me some leeway he would The first thing I had to do right at Monaco sanction was. There's tricks him. The trade the new products. which is you know normally? Nobody cares about those and stuff but he gave me the leeway to ride them in Canada those using. Hey those were great. Yeah you did that. Those are great. Yeah like like the ones that like how to chicken them with a jersey. You'd be like you know. She's looking for whatever her latest guy. And you actually. Yeah Oh that's funny and I give him props for for let me do that. I mean you know that's and that really was my creative writing my phone and I and I so love doing it and and I've been able to do it over the years. It was my my mainstream. Obviously was was photography at the time. And I still feel that you know. That's productive is just telling a story oriented pictures. Yeah that's what I try to do and and still try to do. And and that's why I'm continuing on with with right now did you. How did you get? How far up did you get to be as a as a as a writer? Obviously writer I I was I when I Go to Saddleback I could. I could die for the intermediate class. Okay all these intermediate guy you know but I the I didn't see any point going crawl and being you know right. Middle of the pack lasted the pack. The one thing that I think gets lost a little bit is that Dick Miller apparently and I want to get the story from you. Dick Miller was a huge part of getting team. USA Back The nation's Jody Dick Msa Bell. Ray was a part of how. What do you remember about that time like it was? This was a point where the stars Hannah Hannah Barnett Glover. They didn't WANNA go. And so what do you remember about that. Well here's the thing remember and this and it was so Dick Taylor was was the essential guy that make all that happen. He's got and take Miller was He was a crusty funny sort of impetuous. Kinda guy. You know Who who was exactly you know a talent like it is kind of a guy? Hi and That's what I always loved about. Dick you know he. He was a character and He was the guy that was the motivating force force behind making all that happen and making them making that that that happened in which so much respect for Dick so it was just a matter of like Dick. Go into Roger. Guess saying what you. Will you send the kids from Honda. Yeah yeah correct correct. That's the I mean it was it was I. I have to say it was all mostly. It was Dick Behind the scenes stuff. That made that happen right right right. And then of course they pull off like they go to the Lomo the Santrac from Hell and somehow these California kids pull it off like good guy right. Yeah did you go were you there no no I I had I remember. I had An adventure way back at I went to one year Death there was no American had the racism the Russians fine. It was when it it was in Finland and really okay. Yeah and I went over. There were bad I went with a friend of mine From England Robin Palmer homer and we. We were backpacking all trains backpack and You know taking the ferry over to Sweden Eden watching all the all. The passengers get drunk once they got outside the the territorial waters because there there was no there was no law price cap on the beer. Sure all these stories this time of have no internet no cell phones trying to go across international waters and everything like just crazy time for sure gonNA have all these different types of money like. Oh we're in a new country autry while now you've got to get their money. So then what the hero then no so what time. For what a time to be. Part of the growth of motorcycling late seventies early eighties. MSA dirt bike. Of course still. They're so much innovation in the motorcycles to it seemed like every single year there'd be like these massive changes to motorcycles for the better you know from power valves the disc brakes to one shock to safety seats to like just it was just exploding at this point. What was in that? That's that's the whole thing and and and read the gammit like I said you know we were looking at four strokes way back there in an eighty three you know and like I said that was just a precursor to Wa- was coming. Yeah so yeah you wouldn't WanNa ride what about against a two-stroke remember. They had the white brothers four stroke world championships in Honda. Yamaha would bring out some sort of abortion bike and eh break and whatever I correct yeah and I know most of the guys that broke. Yeah so one of my questions ashes for you was yeah. Why did high torque start another motorcars magazine? But you just answer my question. Yeah why not right. Yeah that Philosophy Ashley so were you a little bit nervous about taking over an editor job running every like I don't know how much power you had. or how much sway you had but well well. Here's the deal I It gave me a chance to do a magazine. Because you know when you work for jody you work for jody. You don't yeah. I don't really decide what stores you're doing or anything else. You're you basically you know you do what you're told now the cool thing that take out a chance to do it and and you know for Roland it was just you know. Hey it was like the fire brigade. Now we'll put him in there. He doesn't work. We'll get rid of someone else uh-huh so but for me. It was a great chance to do something I love to do and I actually I. I love doing motocross else magazine. From from the time that I did it there from you know what was it. Three to eighty six eighty seven eighty six march eighty six six. Was the last issue offhand. Onto Cover I. I had to put my hand undercover and doing story with him for my last issue. 'cause through all that time I I've always had a pretty cool relationship with Bob and I've always enjoyed him and he's always he's the best copy guy possibly ask four three or four podcasts with him. He's the best podcast guests you could possibly ask for. Catch he's amazing is embarrassing but by a my childhood hero Canada. My childhood hero was was rollerball right and so every time I get hand on he starts bagging on rollerball. And I'm like Bob I'm GonNa hang up on you stuff. It he goes classic for life. Yeah so when you started being the editor over there motorcross magazine. How much how competitive with Jodi did you have to be? Did you guys have to give. MSA The good stuff quote unquote or how did that go. No no there was there so sad thing and it wasn't a I mean you know. Yeah there was no a- actually I I I never I never heard anything of saying problem getting by or sitting this or getting that I it actually was. It was pretty good and and I get full credit to Roland for for you know doing that and I of course I had a different take on things which is what I like I. It gave me a chance to do what I thought a magazine should look like at the time. And I'm so appreciative. 'cause he gave me that chance you know you no doubt absolutely love doing across magazine squad from what I remember and I looked at a bunch of old issues before. Did this podcast fry started this podcast with you. It's like very humorous right very light very humorous very like like Yeah I that's your style. Yeah yeah the balloon. Captions is absolutely right. I love that now. That's I want to bring back. Is You know because I loved it. I you know sometimes you can look at immediately and either laugh or Grenier's are something but having a immediate reaction right you know I i. I just dug doing that and I like I said I like the fact that they gave me a little pretty rainy. Only thing I did like this is this kind of a personal thing for me is the guy who was our art director Denis West he he was absolute worst judge of color. I've ever editor is ever not editor art director that I've ever been around and I remember there'd be issues I'd be excited about seeing wants to pick with you know sometimes rolling but always Dennis West and we'd we'd pick up those out but then Jeez the guy who's landed out so we come back and then we get the final issue and it'd be these horrendous in dislike Greens and purples as as a main color. Once you opened up the magazine and I'll just be going. It's not good for you coming out right. Yes yeah well that that in an art too. I mean I magazine what I see it and and I gotta say the were issues that that you know he did do a good job. I mean others were generally were. There's a single large dominant image on the cover with maybe an inch or two but I hated it when he put four square photos together and then just that also and then the color combinations like I said. I probably shouldn't be ragging all right. That's all right it's fine. It's magazine from a long time ago. He's probably over. Yeah was it successful. That itsel how did it do you know what I I think it did sell okay. The problem was that eventually Roland Roland Classic Rolling you know woe is me tale l.. Always say that he was doing that. You know forty years now me and I'm not making any money you know yeah You know he's making handler fish. You know yeah I mean I can't imagine the Mu- I mean look. Print is struggling right now. More than ever but high Torque is still pumping out magazine. So it's gotta be somewhat profitable for years. I'm absolutely sure sure it is but but it was just decisions and then they you know I don't know what Jodi Jodi how much she figured into it because you know. I don't think he particularly after a while. You know kind of graded on him. Maybe a little bit so so did you. Head was Joe Butt heads with Jodie a little bit well judge I know totally for so long. He's like a friend of me. You know oh I mean yeah. We're you know I. Obviously I had a different point of view Zine but I've always re I have nothing but respect for jody and his his abilities for for You know specifically the writing skills he has the I I called them up for one of these years ago and he just basically hung hung up the phone on me. He's classic reply is I don't do interviews. Yeah Yeah I was just like okay. Like I mean the guy's so full history and he's done so much in the sport but I mean I definitely don't agree with some of the things that mix as done the last ten ten years or so but I mean whatever like yeah it is what it is but yeah he's not interested in really getting out there and I wonder I look at them and say now and I just shudder or are they used to be each a mover and shaker. They used to be the law of one. MSA said but it's not that way anymore and sometimes it sounds a little bit but they keep doing their thing so oh yeah so So you really didn't have to balance that may say too much on stories at bike tests Like it was kind of your own. Yeah a matter of fact that was our coup a nose guys were I was when we. It was the October eighty-five issue where we actually snag. Johnny Oh we got Janis. RC Yes he works. I have the out here right so that that was to me that was that was the absolute best bass tiny. I that and and I'm sure that stuck stuck in jodie's crowd will that that we were you know funky little motocross magazine. Let's talk about that because I have that written down so nobody. Nobody wrote works bikes no no public spike. And there's a shot of Johnny L. at Honda Land on his bike. And you guys tested it. How did that come together? Well actually it happened from a couple of issues earlier. You know I did well. We we still johnny. Does those works. You know one twenty five right and That was from me talking to Johnny on a photo shoot. Okay and just asking candy. I would say And we were. We walked out somewhere to go to votto sedan. I just casually Johnny my take your mind back to the pets. Let's to get you know they get some of those south sure which the funny story he he did call me right after that he said. Hey you know I don't know if Roger's GonNa be so happy about me landing you get on that works bike and ride back but you know I. Did you know what it was like the right John Eales els language. You know stretch a little bit but you know it happened you know I. I'm you know I'm writing back and going. Managing Awesome Great Suspense. And and you know how awesome got my stuff came back gave the pike package Johnny and finished off the shoot and I did send him a note saying hey. Hey Johnny that that worked out great ball you know. I'm doing a little test impression now that you know and that's right when I heard right after that you know I don't know if you should she'd do that. Oh it's too late. It's GonNa go to the printer. Oh Shit really you know I mean it was But Johnny was schooled in. Here's the thing by doing that. And then they saw it wasn't a it wasn't a schlock review. Day wasn't isn't it was it was it was all favorable stuff which of course it would it would be right. That was amazing right. It was amazing. And but because it's up to that. Roger agreed for us to go back out and do do that do that. Test of of the works bike. They really from from that little thing. Wow that little thing exactly. Had we not done that. Pass road back to the pits I'm sure that would never happen to be to me. I would think one hundred magazine requests to test a factory. Honda have come in over the years and they all got got shot down. You know what I mean but yeah I wonder why Roger Changes Mind for you or whatever who knows right. I think Johnny had something to do with it. Obviously you sleep. And then Roger came out with us and that's where I use my little If you look at Nat What is it the October Eighty five issue pay twenty three three were Rogers looking out and You know so. Are we going to let these guys right. I'm afraid so oh yeah so. How long did you get the right for we had? We were there a couple of hours really with the Honda land where we did. Yeah and And at that time I had my My Buddy At our net who. I'd hired originally to work with me. Because he was a he was a local pro. You know he was a good good race guy. Real hard headed tough guy. Yeah and I took Ed with me and we went out there and wrote it both of us. Yeah and You know So I I wanted so you know like a pro levels. Yeah he was. He was a top ten five hundred times. Yeah yeah good. Yeah and So that that that was that made it. It was both for both of it. was like the coolest best. Yeah by either of US had ever written and it's the to this day it's better than any any other bike I've ever listen. Loosen when not what. I read that as a kid like catch. That was like I'm like Oh my God. They road tested one. I kept like no one. I don't think anyone any other magazine any other time. Got To testify to that. I can remember and and that's why I say that's a that's why you know. I think maybe that got under the funny. That's that's awesome. So what what do you remember about the bike for real is what you know for me. It's like everything Annette. Well here's what made it so cool So they brought The you know Jake from Showa was there and they had the truck and they would tell us how they did testing. And you know what if you don't like if you don't like how the forks or the shocker working just pull in and we'll change it and they had like you know ten sets a forks and ten cents shocks in the truck like you know we're GonNa go no it's not you. You don't WanNa be some more high-speed compression just it's just not enough but they had all that stuff they're defined tune it you know. I mean I'm like Jesus inches I do it. Well listen catch. I was a factory mechanic. KTM and Yamaha. Before I became a media guy but trust trust me when I say that they were nothing like those factory. Hondas back then. These were just pre production stuff modified. So these are hey eighty-five right. It was it was the threat the eighty-five with a fuel pump down low in the low tank. And all of that right to raise. Yeah that's pretty cool that honestly I have at circle here Johnny test with a circle I had to ask you about the funding that you bring that up okay. So if that's a story that stands out what else what else stands out for you. Your time Well you know we were always privateer. May I always I liked jazz. You know Bob Hands. Good Buddy Jeff Heck. Yeah you know. I haven't found Dubai tasks with us and you know and I had a a you know a whole ton of test guys. You know Mike buyer was was a regular test. Guy Was it a mickey diamond. Mickey Mickey Diamond Right now. He's he he had that bicycle crash. Yeah really you know after bad But he's he's hanging back in there and coming back. It seems like you and you know just I was just looking at some of the guys in here and as Funky I did A. and a B. Tape and I'm sure I piss off I put on the beat team but didn't you. Didn't you forgive me if this is another magazine because I didn't do my research on this but didn't didn't you take production bikes and say. Hey we're GONNA try to make them as best we can compare to work spike like Hannah. Glover's Glover's four ninety. And then you took like trying to take a four ninety and make it as good or something something something like that. That is correct. Sent out to to a national. Well he you know he wrote the Carlsbad teepee on Wisey for ninety which was a stocker that few mods on it and but they have had like heatstroke dirt but you and how we wrote it so yeah I love doing stuff like that What was what was the story or was there a story that you had to kill that you couldn't nail down or didn't work or you know what I mean or you? Someone said no or anything. Come to mind that you know regret wise wise I I W wanted to do. You just couldn't get done. You know what I gotta honestly say not really. I mean there wasn't there. Wasn't anyone story. Worry that they that someone said you know you can't do that. You know which you know I I mean maybe there were stories. I should should have done that. They give me an answer. I don't recall hearing from anybody. Okay Yeah interesting because I've got a couple that like like like there's a few that I would love to get into as far as controversial stuff but you'll never get people on the record that talk about it. You know or anything so one thing about you to your MAG Lotta European coverage. I don't know if that was just a fill pages but man I I read more but the GP's Jodi of course. I don't know what Jody's personal feeling. Again he certainly took a lot of shots at the. GP's over the years. I felt especially as as the mid eighties but I felt like you guys. Did it used a lot of freelancers. Had A lot of photos goes from. GP's and that's where we learn about these guys. Oh yeah as a matter of fact. I had a great year L. correspondent Michael Bala and and his Sister Christine Gamal. They they were my absolute ace in the hole Europeans for for covering dance for him as well. The last Ludford Aki Luther. Becky is like Oh yeah. Is One of the legendary photographer. His a bad period of those with those guys. I still keep in contact contact with those guys do you really. Oh that's awesome. Yeah and so. I'm looking forward to maybe going over there sometime soon. Here to see them. And maybe have a reunion with Luke and Michael and Christine and and maybe go do maybe go to one of those Beatrice's or something go to the vet. Does nations kids in England that thing supposed to be incredible to go to the scene that I and that's that is one of those things I would like to. Yeah so how. How does that work back in the day of snail? Mail like like Luke just like Luke. Manila envelope plops on your desk with just photos from Belgium from a month and a half ago that is correct. They just send you the photos now. Now I know really. That's what you had to do. Wait till you got you know to a package from from one of those guys right. That was not the easiest. Yeah no I I would. I would imagine so right. 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What a Smart Guy Right Super Smart guy he is the whole the whole thing is full of people like that right sharp? The guys that in their lives doing this and and love and I mean that's that's the thing they're not just doing something they're doing something they absolutely so please check out. Race Tack Dot Com for more information pulp nineteen code to save so so Dennis so like I think I know the answer to this question because you seem like an affable all nice guy but so I cover. I've been in the media game for fifteen years. Now maybe a little bit less going all the races and and talking to these writers and writing things about them and reporting on racer x my own side and everything else and I piss some of these guys off sometimes catch I really do. They're not happy with some things I ride and say about them and you know I try to be honest I try to use my experience as a racer slash mechanic for all these years and in media and but I still piss people off did you did you. You run into problems with some guys. Yeah there there's always a is is they don't like bill like what you said you know or or say. Hey that's that's not that's not the way it was whatever your but as as you know and as I'm sure you've experienced you've gotta tell it from Emma point of view. Yeah yeah try. Right and point of view is what people want. They want someone with a point of view. They don't all it's just a glad-handing yeah everything's great. Everybody's wonderful they WANNA point of view and that's what you're doing and that's I think that is an essential mar- you know a way to do things so who who got pissed at you. Who Do you remember who you got some I? I've always I don't know why but Bronx clover for some reason. He's into this De. Hey Day when I see brock clover at any sort event you know he has nothing to say to me. I mean yeah when I when I see people and stuff you know I I I you know. It's like Donnie Hansen. You know and not just a sweetheart and I remember when they did the dedication when jody got his his deal on the walk of fame there. I Glen Helen. I went out to that and and they were. Jody was signing autographs and then brock was next to him and and Chuck Sun. And you know Donnie Hansen and And those Donna Hanson Manson and and chuck are just greatest guys but brock. I don't know what it is about. You know. Maybe he didn't like something open. I did way back in the day. Bronx Bronx got mad at me to about Tire Sapphire. Oh never mind his racing career tire stuff. We're fine now. I just we just did a live if show with in Saint Louis a couple of weeks ago but but Yeah he's pro prodcuts. Oh one other one I can think yeah. I'm looking at the cover right now for nineteen eighty five Rick Johnson good. Rj Oh boy RJ. He he had he had a bone to pick with me. And this was when I recalled this really well we had We were shooting a covered. It and a friend of Mine Jack. Right was shooting a cover a photograph and we had the whole Yom Hong Guy there was the sheen and and Rj and Brock. And and we were the studio that Jack had and Jack Pet some some girls in there and he had them like throwing mud. Yeah I remember that cover. Yes yeah and and I just and I remember. Rj got really upset at me upset enough to heat. Either he or his mom a letter to relevant away. Oh boy yeah role and calls me in his office. Goes that just got a letter from you. Know Rick Johnson. And you know he was just saying how unprofessional it was is to the photo. Shoot and then that you laugh and I did. And that's true because I did. I did have to leave the photo shoot because My girlfriend was flying ended airport and I had to go pick her up. Yeah you know that that was like a you know I had now couldn't really get out. Oh so oh ooh so. I left them there to go do that. You know I wasn't directing that was That was Jacks called attractive shooting Nat. Throw them out. I think you had four straight like team. Oem's on the cover like four four months in a row or something right like you you profile each team. I think it was. Is there something like something like that. Yeah Yeah I mean. That's you know that was I. That was that was unusual situation. But but that did remind me that yeah cards. I remember and I've seen ricky sense and at that time. No he was he he was he wanted to. He wanted to make sure that that I got passage that he he knew. Contact the publisher Hayes road still around. Yes is he really really. He's he is still doing it. You know and rolling is is a rolling instituted some stuff there at high torque that that change today today outside of changing the name. He dropped the day used to be daisy high. Torque yes right back in the bill golden days and He dropped the daisy and just made it high torque and like I said he had some interesting way you know he had he would have the editors art directors show up to do the color picks instead of our director just going in to do it on his own. Oh yeah yeah so. He instituted a lot of things that are kind of standard. I thank you now interesting. Well it used to be standards not that way now because there's not that many pre Jeez I know right. Yeah it's is funny talk about Rj. Be Mad at you because like I've interviewed just about everybody on this podcast. Show two thousand eight all of my heroes and guys and industry people. I've gotta say one of the single best podcast I've ever done with Rj. He's just. He's phenomenal. He's a phenomenal interview. He knows the media game he knows the media stuff he knows. How's it really well and like I say this way you know like I look at it to cover? It's a picture of him and Bowen Right Right. Oh that's a that's a guy who probably probably hated you because you were you were full on the Hannah Bowen thing. You were all over that because Hannah was threatening Keith and writing like writing. They need an obituary. Suck thing that could be Yeah Ki Boeing. Hannah had like a a couple months thing or whatever. And that's why and that's why I said I love doing interviews with Hannah conceived bullish. It touches you know he'd had a few. Yeah Yeah Yeah and it was known for that bike tests for bike tests for you did which buddy bike tests get you in trouble any the OEM's Jodi Jodi has been banned from Zouqi over the years a few times. You know anything come up for you not really not not ought not to wear the manufacturer you know to would call to voice any sort of You know feedback on it. I mean and and we tried to be fair to all of them and you know But have like you said. I have a perspective to have a point of view. That's what I feel. Magazines should be about is. It should be that and that's in the good old days you know. That's what Hunky was a coin of you that you wanted to go see what he thought and yeah. I don't see that so much anymore. Yeah you don't you really don't Obviously see every production by next to that factory. Honda Probably Pales but what are a couple of you. Remember a couple of bikes. That stood out for you. That are just amazing. I mean you know obviously the mid Eighties Hondas. We're pretty good or anything else that stands out you know. I remember the In this bike I used to raise Like racing it out at Saddleback and that that was the Suzuki to fifty. Oh yeah and I I really liked it by the by fit me had you know good. Acceleration good suspension Was Fun to race Joe Kosovan and of course we have all the tuner guys get the little extra X. amount out out and I that particular bike. I do remember liking it as well as the home. I like Wisey. Oh I see two fifties. We're always we're always pretty sweet. So did you know you knew that that was gonna be the last issue They told you. Hey catch. You're you're done Cassisi with Hannah on the cover. Yes sir. What did you do after that? After that I went in and did a short short Twenty years spent doing OFF ROAD ATV side-by-side books which started it at three and four wheel action. I did that for about a year. Maybe and then I remember Joe. Colin Barrow used to be the editor for for dirt. Wales ended up leaving and then when he left again Roland fire brigade comes in and goes. Okay you're the editor wheels got. It all came together correct there. That's all I went. Okay you know and and and I have to say that I enjoy doing dirt wills I literally. I spent more time doing that than any other magazine. I was Gonna ask you so you adapted to it like you enjoyed it. You wrap your head around it and you weren't like looking down on them or anything like you were fine with all that. Yeah no I it. It wasn't a and and this was when I started doing. It was right when before the three wheel fiasco occurred. You know. Actually I had to go out and test. Some of these three were the first thing you do is run over your foot. Yes what the hell with that right. Yeah good point right. Yeah so so you learn. You know don't do that Apple. Keep your feet on the peg all costs and But I wasn't unhappy to see three wheelers. You know kind of go away because because I can only imagine the destruction that would have happened. had been you know like a twin cylinder three wheelers with one hundred horsepower. I I I do scary. Yeah the four wheeler stuff came on big time. Even you probably got Bob to do something I remember Bob testing those for few people. You probably it. Probably you're probably wouldn't exactly and I did do so I did. I did for how long was it. Oh oh you know who. He had When I was doing will supposed Jeremy McGrath came out and we did? The banshee tests out at at Glen. Helen and that was that was a lot of fun. Jeremy he's he's the most affable I you know there is and the I do. Recall doing that with third wills and I also did a I did. Dirt will until I left. I work in two thousand nine and then I did. I did a couple apple is short stance on them something tamarack publishing which they did a magazine called off road illustrated which I did for one or two cashews and then I decided to make dirt on Starlet straighted instead of offered illustrated and then I did have a stint thin doing new. TV Sports magazine. which which? I did with my Powell of Jack Reid. who was the creative director there and I? I love that because we were able to do I. I love having check as the art director because you know as opposed to when I was doing moto and having someone else else you know thought my work Jack was exact opposite he just made everything look brilliant and taste so I did that I DID SEE TV. Sports from about twenty fifteen to about twenty seventeen it was just and it was bought by Jeff Sport Media. They moved out the Lake Havasu and that was at a wrap my head around that you had high talk from seventy seven to two thousand nine. Yeah that's a long time holy smokes. Yeah wow I didn't know that I'm sorry can't I didn't know that lifers lifers at high torch you know so Was your car. Just driving Valencia on its own but some point. Well Yeah I mean I. I lived in Lancaster prior to move here to cal. City okay. Well it was about an hour's commute it wasn't bad to get to the Valencia right right and normal editor hours which were never normal. No no never right so at some point you and Jodie just looking at each other going from Texas to here here. We are still here. The World Jody's look how long he's been doing that. Yeah Yeah I wonder what's going to happen though and Jodi is not going to doing it from people that are from people that worked there now people who have left their some of these people are my friends and they're like Jodi never going to let it go. Never I take a step back. He loves it. He lives breeze. It just there's nine that may be out of his control down number. Oh Yeah for sure. No you're absolutely right. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'll take your blessings the good health ban. You can't take that for granted. No absolutely not racist. What a couple of races that stood up for all time ones? You'll never forget. Oh that would be Let's see well you know I I always enjoy going to the all the unity the unity fifty. GP Okay literally loved going to that. Yeah and and I recall we were able to do a Husky task there. Okay which which was awesome. I was able all those two they had to fifth. This was mark when Mark Blackwell is the president at Husky. It sent me a note saying you know. Hey you wanna you wanna go the uniden the GPS and as a side note you can test the test our new fifty Husky on the race track after the race. Oh not only absolute. I go for that what you know. Of course nobody tells you you know after the ray rough his brutal. Yeah I got loops on the whoops. I got to do a test after red. Bud I was working for at motorable ex team and I think I think I think it was Bashar Came out came out to test our race bikes after the national. So I got to write and I wrote like four laps. I'm like yeah I'm done. This is not I can't I can barely get around this track back. Yeah so you were at the US GP. When Johnny ran out of gas at gave Bob as gas tank the podium? The go bomb. Here's my gas tank was the issue. What's that well And I remember Dan. You know I I did a thing was it And all you know from Danny LaPorte four to two Mickey diamond over the Husky Guy Time Yup and It was just cool to to be there and to be a part of that. Yeah that right. Yeah Absolutely I. Can you believe Mickey Diamond went from a five hundred Husky to two time. One twenty five champion like yeah. Yeah because I remember when Nikki Road Banco when I was when I was you know when I was living the saddleback lifestyle with Jodi at MSA. We'd see Mickey out there on his on his on his may goes and it was so cool. I'm Mickey was so determined. That guy was he was just so oh smooth and so determined. It was great to see him. Brace what's your best paint story when you could share on public tale that so yeah nothing that could make. You'd have to have pets. They would have the Best Mitch. Stories Arnie Becker Ernie Ernie He's like it does a lot of Formula Race Stop Okay and He's always going to the former the racist. He's a good facebook Paula. My and He and Tad or good buddies but They were talking about doing a book about that. Yeah and I went well. I don't know I write it if you want Right right yeah. You'RE GONNA have to provide me lots of notes and of course I can come up with some island because I was back there at some of those. Yeah those get togethers which is Which is just a wedding party? All kinds of stuff Catch you go you go to pro circuit Husky days like Husqvarna. Yeah exactly. That's we're all good stories come from the pro circuit. I know right unbelievable and I talked to Mitch every weekend at the races and I always find myself just like we laugh and joke and he tells them great stories stories. And I'm just like a friend Mitch page. It's pretty cool like he's just alleged varieties just alleged what he did with old pro circus right. Yeah yeah absolutely incredible. Well catch man. What a career? You must look back. You're pretty pretty proud of all things things you've done and accomplish in the industry I you know by large. Yeah I'm still I'm still going. I want to get this thing with with my dirt illustrated things up up and going again And and make that the cool thing about it covers anything that rolls on dirt which took up the whole Pandora's box of things. You can do sure. Yeah absolutely right. Yeah makes it makes you want to do so. Yeah so that's why I'm looking forward to continuing to do but you know the past. I bypass and I love all the things that I got to do. All the people I got to me and and and while doing this and I just like I said I dig it the mouse. It's a really cool air in our sport I think like I said I truly believe that like it was it was new and exciting things coming all the time it was. You know some of the best racers that we've ever seen. And just American dominance kind covered in the world of motorcycle racing looking at southern California and for the newest trends in the newest things in the racers. And it's just a it's it's a special time in our sport. I feel like from from nineteen eighty to ninety S. Oh Yeah Oh yeah I I mean and then we're at now ended twenties. He's so it's going to be another exciting decade. I think that's what's cool is that the euro have gotten kind of a parody with us. Now alsino where it used to be you know we over there. spanker Smith their butts and not so crazy so it kind of goes around comes around. Yeah folks at the beginning of a recovery station Thir- back back so well thanks for the time catch. I really appreciate. This was a lot of fun for me. I love. I grew up with your magazines. I grew up with reading what you wrote. You know so it was really cool off the man. I appreciate it so you. Thanks for the top of the rent on the fly racing racer x podcasts by rental ad Max's thanks catch. Okay thank you. Thanks for listening to the flyer racing. Steve Ba'athist show don't forget to check out Some of our past shows including motocross legends. Such as bad boy Johnson. I looked down and my handle is chuck over to the side. The tenants were jerking weird places and it might be the biggest disappointment Danny store because that he never said sorry to Danny and I were friends. And we've never talked since Ryan Lewis before the he's five hundred events. Dave and I fly to Germany. Go down to stood guard. There's this little shop out the back of the mall. Factory we get their cylinders. Take they come back and off. We go and you know. We ran nickel steel cylinders factory part for US handful of years before anybody ever saw in production action in McGill is all you know. He did the big pancake thing and he's got the thing he's completely lay on the gas tank trying to miss his tree. I mean he would have gotten even harder jumped farther. If that tree had been you know been there okay. I love the Guy I don't dislike. I think he's the greatest competitors the sport ever had that absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement. I said about these modern day guys in Switzerland or Belgium forty five minutes on the same aim bike unhappy crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays than they were in their pool so different bikes different times. The beast from the East Damon Bradshaw. It got to the point where I didn't WanNa leave home and once I got to the race I wasn't into it if I wasn't going to give one hundred percent cent. I'm not gonNA take your money. Gene Glass here definitely an emotional moment for me just thinking to myself. That's it you know. It's amazing the stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of the things that you know that I was going to miss machine until L.. You Really Open Yours and you WANNA listen to what they're saying like beating a dead horse is you know and I know from personal. Experience Vinnie ever sitting down. Of course everybody did Mitch Payton. There's two ways to make the money one is. You can sign for money or two you can earn the money. I'm a high believer in earning doing the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. So I'm Jeremy McGrath. Mad Like so disappointed so frustrating I said I pick and I left every point count. I could kick myself to this day for not just driving around and ten being no problem in my ego gotten away. You Know Leo. Show Johnny up that you want to ride and you want to look at it all day. I mean I got a chance to test on. That had my life that I really do. Search Popa. Maximum tune store to enjoy these and over. Eight hundred grade motocross podcasts days.

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Dodge Hellcat Redeye, Electric Trucks, and Instagram Driving

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I it is like I love the weather over there and it's nice to be of a mile from the beach so but it's just it's just day and night just how it got. Its actually at night. I'm not even worried. I could sleep through it now and I'm so used to. It's during the day like when you're trying to get stuff done and make phone calls and it's just crime. Just the sound of crime happening man I. I completely understand that. Not Everybody by any means is in the business Situation that I'm in and I don't have to be in one particular area necessarily but man your your your peace of mind and your sandy and just the ability to not hear. Anything is extremely valuable in your quality of life and I can tell you since I've been here for three months. It's made a huge difference. I mean it it it really. You don't know how much difference it makes until you remove yourself from that situation for a period of. I don't know what would happen to me. Initially if it would like drive me mad or I would sleep for four days. Just free throw general. I mean just the option just happened to options to do it is. It's glorious man and I can't tell you you know nothing else has changed my way of life out here and my outlook is just completely different. It's just a it's it's a very motivating for sure so anyway. I wanted to throw it out. Good job at Ryan's I can't drive my cars all the time. It's funny said that I was just I was just a driving. The SES driving the The the Hell Cat Red Eye and I realized we touch a little bit on it last week. It's like so much power so much fine even with the thrill five tired of the back. Good luck trying to hook up and of course to the days that I have the car. It's raining and and you know we got this new shop that Adams building out and it's a little bit of a drive for me but he's like come come by we want. I WANNA lay out some of the one we've been working on designing it for a long time and as it builds we're making a few changes he's like. I want to lay out some of the lights and some of the fans and talk more about the floor. Can you come out on the weekend and I said. Yeah and I've got the Hell Cat Red Eye. It's there it's raining and I was like I'm not gonNA take it. I'm not gonNA take it. It's a it's a fifty minute drive. It's in the rain. It's all through downtown. It's all through whatever I'll be sliding all over the place a heavy time to gas. I was like forget it just took. I just took the other car I imagine when they debuted the hell cast and I was invited to PR and it was pouring rain and there was a forty minute drive from the hotel to get there and obviously you get the advantage of jumping in the hell can to drive in there and that in and of itself was absolutely terrifying not to mention going out on the track for the first time in this hell cat challenger. Yeah it was. It was unusable for me. I mean after about an hour. Yeah then I had a little bit more fun with it. And you know you know it's boundaries and know where you're GonNa kill yourself and where you're not but it's It takes a lot of work to keep that thing straight in the rain. It's crazy you said the other day. The real five on the front or the car tracks. Oh Yeah it's it's actually not that easy to drive. It was kind of interesting. It takes some really takes some concentration I mean. Don't get me wrong. The car superfund and it works. It does all the things that need to do. And you know spending a little time under the hood and just getting a better look at the engine and the Super Charger and the packaging of that and the red eye. The the scoops on the hood Howard brings an air a into the into the filter into the engine. It pretty cool how they do that stuff. I can see how that engine is. Such a has become a favourite among engine swaps and other vehicles. But but it's a handful for sure but I had a lot of fun but that's another that's another aspect that makes it enjoyable and how many cars are like that. Still you know so I mean it brings back hearkens back to the old days when you didn't have the computer assists and you know it was like driving ninety two nine eleven. I got I go around the corner and I stepped on the throttle. I'm dead yeah you know. It's funny because I was when I was driving the car around and I was like this car is kind of all over the road. And that's with modern day electronics and traction control and everything else like the truck that I'm building a lightening of building. I'm looking for crazy horse power. There's no electronics in that thing. And it's a truck so it's lightweight the back I'm like I'm it's going to be useless what I'm done with it but I don't know it's more fun to build it. Be Fun it'll be. It's not a normal project and you've got a lot of publicity not you got a lot of attention from it. I love talking about building it. I love working on it to go. I guarantee you. You didn't imagine that in the onset when you purchase that truck that you'd have nearly fund that you're having now now you'd be willing to bet. There's no way you thought that. No you're you're right definitely and I had some ideas on it and I knew it could be kind of actually. It's been down for like two weeks because the superchargers getting rebuilt and while I was waiting for that I sent like the steering wheel to get recovered. And it's the car that I walked past every day and go man. I really want to drive my truck again. I WANNA drive my truck again. I know there's many more steps to the modifications and south that I'm going to do to it but I like I said before like I always wanted this project to be driving a little bit And then modify it and drive it learn more about it see how it feels and try and figure out sort of the next thing and the next thing and and I know there was going to be like parts that go on it and then come off of it as I figure out what I like and what I don't like as opposed to a lot of cars like you know like my Cobra as well that got builders getting built you know on a left a garage and all of those products are pretty much decided and You know when it's done I drive it if if I don't like it I'm Kinda stuck with the way it is for a while but but this one. I'm kind of working through again. That's why we're sending the supercharge out to get rebuilt the kind of upgrades it you know. What does it do to the engine? And then the engines going to come out you know but it's fun along the way you're having a great time. I am and our listeners. Understand that and I guarantee you Struck a nerve with a number of them in the you know. Someone's probably gone out and purchased one of those and Bob with your suit and had some fun just like you have so. Yeah I think that would be fantastic. Because there's some fun ideas that we were doing on on the truck and maybe it's just influencing other builds maybe not other lightnings just other builds but the other fun part is Ben Is Been having a lot of discussions with people in the aftermarket world Most of the people that I that I know already and meeting some New People along the way but just sending emails back and forth a very recently with mark baller from Bowler transmissions. He's such a good dude and Rick Johnson from From gear vendors are ideas was to do as the new Ford six speed automatic in it. And and you know. Mark has a lot of experience with that. And he's basically saying that the power level that we're doing you can upgrade that transmission to handle some power but it doesn't really like to handle high temp areas high heat usability. I guess is the is the right term so meaning that we can drive it on the street and could probably make it to handle the power that we want but if we hit the track auto cross or the Drag Strip a few times that transmission doesn't really like high temperatures for long periods of time. So traffic yeah. I don't know how likes traffic. Maybe just sitting there. It's fine but I liked the idea of the transmission. I like the idea. That's kind of modern in and a works well in the vehicles that it's in now in a we looked at the Ford ten speed as well. There's just not a lot of aftermarket support for it yet. I don't believe there's an adapter kit yet that takes the ten speed and adapts it to a small block Ford engine. The MoD motors sure But but not the small block Ford. So that wasn't really an option so we're just going with something that's been proven that mark bowlers sort of Mastered IS IS HE BUILDS UP. A custom built for eighty. He's got the adapter plates and stuff to make it work on the Ford engine. He's got so much time into it. He knows how to program. It knows how to build it. You know how to to size up the torque converter properly for it and then he's also good friends with rick at gear vendors I spoke to gear vendors and I said hey you know for doing the forest can I use the gear vendors unit. Can I turn it into an eight speed? Aguirre vendors unit splits all the gears detaches to the back of the transmission like the tail housing of the transmission. Remove the gear vendors unit. Goes ON THERE AND IT. It adds another gear said that splits all of the gear so essentially it does two things for me is one when accelerating. I don't trop. Rpm As much when switching from gear to gear keeps me open that power band and two it does add an additional overdrive gear to it. So What I'm what I'm driving at seventy eighty miles an hour it. I can activate the gear vendors and maybe get a little less wear and tear on the whole thing and and a little bit better fuel mileage. But what we'll do is we'll talk to mark baller at some point. We'll we'll talk to Rick Johnson. A gear vendors. He can better explain how the gear vendors unit works but but very cool stuff and that seems to be the the direction Not An inexpensive direction. That's for sure. But go for this magic thousand horsepower number. Not The tires definitely. But it'd be interesting to see if we can get it at the engine and and And all that comes with some expensive upgrade so better put a wing on that some bitch something right like I don't know I'm just GonNa fill the backup at cement blocks or something just to I. Don't think that Ford came out with an Arrow package in the beginning. So get didn't that's as that's as about as big a brick as you can get out there and And I'm starting to think about some other revisions to the suspension and stuff to make it to make it work. I could tell you now the the best thing so far was the big brake kit that we developed for this thing because it stops so much better now and I can't imagine how useful it's going to be once we add that crazy power to it so we'll follow up on that and do some more giving us some more updates on that you know last week while this past week or so. I've been driving the red eye but before that I had the jeep. Gladiator we had some discussions about this. And Dan Edmonds was in the studio and he was talking about the The gladiator as well and I said that as much as I liked the vehicle. It's not the right fit for me. It's it is very much a utilitarian vehicle in my opinion and has a certain usefulness especially off-road that's really what it's made for and we understand that there's nothing better than than the GPS when it comes to that stuff and and. Dan Does a lot of off road testing and has a lot of knowledge on suspension travel and driveability and rock climbing and all that stuff I'm guessing that people are seeing the jeep gladiator as a functional tool as much as I am because unfortunately the sales are not great and compared to some of its competitors. They've been very very slow. Moving certainly vehicle that I thought was going to be a much hotter item than it is but I don't know they sold like forty thousand of them and it's just a fraction of what what some of the other companies the truck companies and stuff are selling and I'd like to see oh territorial breakdown of that because you know Bernie does which is my dealer right down the road here in Texas. Can't keep those things on the lot They really can't. And there's a huge contingent of jeepers out here you know crop rock crawlers and offered guys and yeah. I know but it surprises me on the coasts whether it be Florida or whether it be California that not more people are buying them because it seems to be like the perfect beach vehicle you know because you got your jeep you can take the doors off. You could be at one with the one with nature but he got the the the truck bed seeking home more so I don't know yeah. I'm not sure why it's it's not resonating with people as much as as much as we thought and all of the modified versions and the the Mo par assessories and other everything we saw. Some of those things are pretty bad ass or so many so much you can do to them. I don't know why it's not clicking as much but again you're right. Maybe it's just certain areas are not doing it or or whatnot but that also brings up the point that you know. This is a hot button for me. These dealer markups man Dealer markups. I've always said for the longtime and I'm not going to get to fired up about it. You're just throwing money out the door. It's just I I mean it. Just go into a store and buy eggs and you might as well just. Could you imagine that going yeah? Eggs are five ninety nine. But there's a five dollar deal dealer markup like for what like just because we said so like I don't know it's just a crazy thing and I actually because we can i. It's it's a weird thing because there's I don't know I just feel like the manufacturers kid kid. Crackdown on this a little bit more. Go listen well remember when remember when dodge did you know with the was the demon did when you know the dealer would have would get a higher number. If they charged you know sticker. Yeah Yeah we're doing something with that. I know things like Ferrari has a list and Ford. Gt has a list. And there's an application process. Obviously you can't do that for every vehicle but I duNno. It just seems kind of weird but I'll tell you why now I and I feel bad for the people that pay for them a pay for the markup because they feel like they want this vehicle enough I feel bad for. You shouldn't be paying. You should be smarter than that and to the dealer shouldn't be this is why so many people don't like dealers like they always sort of dread the idea of going. I gotta go buy a car and it's going to be a hassle and they're gonNa WanNa negotiate they always feel like they're gonNA get screwed and and it's just it doesn't have to be a shady business transaction and and in a time when they are losing customers right and last you think that they put go above and beyond to set a positive example for dealer to dealer as you know cutting their nose off despite themselves listen. Jeep gladiators came out and dealers. Were getting as much as ten thousand over sticker on these things and there's no reason why like jeep didn't say. Hey we're only making a few. You can't get them. There's you know they're like we can make as many as you want. Come in order. Get whatever you want. That's the business rumor selling vehicles. That's a business again. Anybody paying over sticker for that thing was insane well but if this is the Dan age where you want to be the first guy second guy on your block to have it and you're willing to pay it because he gives it means you got likes means you got attention means that hey look at me. I'm the man. And it's the people are paying. Exorbitant amounts on top of the retail price out of out of sheer ignorance. I either that either that or you know I mean somebody that has the money and doesn't care about paying over and really wants. That car wants to be the first time I you know there there. Are Those guys out there you know. Am I know but these people that are willing to go in just to be the guy that when I just? They deserve what they get. It's a kind of a silly thing. Because ten thousand over sticker on gladiators now that sales are slumping. There's as much as nine thousand dollars. Cash incentives on it so now. We're nine thousand under sticker for a vehicle. The people were are paying ten thousand over sticker for. That's that's insane. I mean think of that guys. Think of that ten thousand dollars that you gave to the dealer for nothing. They're laughing all the way to the bank. What you could have done with that money You know by the way you wanted to you could have just pumped ten thousand in aftermarket parts and fun stuff into her vehicle. You could have given it away you. Could you know anything like this is not an insignificant amount of money for tire vehicle at those things in the forties fifties? Yeah Yeah what I drove the Rubicon and all that stuff was had all the options. Like fifty eight thousand but yeah. That's a huge amount of money. You know that's a huge amount of money ten thousand dollars over sticker for nothing. You're right just for for for I don't know figure ego like I don't know guys don't do it. That's the world we live in the little look at the snickers commercial. There couldn't be one more appropriate to modern times then the at the campaign that's Nacre is doing right now. Yeah it's fantastic. It's it's an hits it right on the head and it shows how ridiculous people are in this day and age it truly does so. I could go on and on about that. But let's let's can we? Can I hit a a We gotta do this every week. Like a pet peeve or a you know I'm Kinda I'm Kinda back on that we did that years ago but I think we should bring it back You know as I said. We're in a day and age of social media and everybody wants to be that guy. Hey look at me but I am absolutely sick. And tired of people posting irresponsible videos of them hauling ass through traffic trying to show how cool their cars motorcycles does that and who follows me. I'm I'm blocking them and I you know. It's it's the most irresponsible thing you could do you know. And now we're all enough to have a license and everybody looks up to the elders whether it be an older brother or whether it be a father whether it be a mother whatever it may be man and we need to set a better damn example. Because it's it's it's absolutely ludicrous. It doesn't make any sense to me and you know I. I've one of the things on that on that on that topic that has come up. A lot is a lot of people have hit me up and said hey you should have this guy on the show. He won the gum ball thing or whatever the races across the country and it was like. Is this just a drive? Just like people doing the liquor road trip or is this a race. And they're like. Yeah it's it's a race. It's like a cannonball run. I it's fun to watch it in the movies and stuff like but it's it's not necessarily something I get behind and it's not something that I've participated in and and the offers have come in and they've said Oh you know what you want to drive one of these cars you gonNA raise from here to there and it's going to take a few days and there's checkpoints and there's a party at night and I was like you know socially it sounds like a lot of fun but I'm just not down with the racing across the country and one hundred miles an hour and laughing at the speeding tickets and and Leon we've all done. Yeah all the talent. It's time to. It's time to grow up. Everybody's made mistakes but now we have a we have a a a highly rated podcast and we need to set an example. I've got about two million followers on instagram. I need I need to set an example. We need to be responsible. And Hey it's there's nothing cooler than seeing a car you know smoking tires and and you know showing the public what it can do whether it be speed breaking or turning about whatever it is but guys and girls beef fricking responsible. Man I mean how about if your video and and you run into that car in front of you and it's A mother and three kids they end up flipping. You know I mean it's socially irresponsible like I said I've done it before and those days are over with right now you got you got what you just have to be off. I posted a video the other day. He's slamming the tires of my much. my Carbon car speed for car But that was on my driveway right. That was my driveway and I get. People may not be as fortunate as driveway like that and they may have to go but find something Renner track. You know do something. Don't do it through traffic. It's it's it's in basilic truly is called the boys over at Hoon again. Maybe they'll let you tear up their parking lot. There's a little track your parking lot. Yeah except you got like a dog running around everybody else. Call the WHO you guys see. If they'll let you tear up their place a little bit they always have some fun to rot and go to where you can do burnouts without a donkey walking across in front of you or a twenty five hundred pounds. Longhorn excuse I wanNA talk a little bit about some something electric car news. That seems to be the positive news in the automotive industry right now but before we do that let me tell you guys about Geico. Let's say you have a home. Maybe maybe rent it maybe own it either way. There's usually a lot of work to do over there but you know it doesn't have to be work all the time you know. It's easy to bundling policies with GEICO. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy that's a good thing because you already know you have a lot to do around your home already so just go to. Geico DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico DOT COM. Today that's GEICO DOT com. There's a lot of news in the in the electric car market world which is interesting and it's opening the doors for some of these startup companies and. I do questions some of the motivation behind them. Because I don't know it. They need so much money so much funding billions in funding to to make this happen. A lot of it is just because there's so many of government rules with testing and crash testing. And all that stuff you know. A lot of that is is fine. It's good we need some of that. We want safe cars but there's also a lot of bureaucracy that goes in there as well as you know. Look anybody that tries to build anything. Try pulling permits and see. How much is it going to cost? And it's going take for something completely silly but Nikola this is. Ev Startup company out of Phoenix Arizona. And they've been working on this pickup truck kind of a cool look and pickup truck You know kind of flared fended off. Roti almost raptor esque type pickup truck. And they're going to have two versions of this. One is an all electric powertrain? It's about a three hundred mile range using electric power train somewhere around. Four hundred and fifty four fifty five horsepower on average and the peak of over nine hundred horsepower. Nine hundred eighty pound feet of Torque but three hundred mile range and then the second option is a combination of hydrogen fuel cells that that combined with the battery packs to create a six hundred mile range. It's a cool looking vehicle I'm not sure how far along they are with it. I think they WANNA get in to more of a work fleet truck realm of things And go after the audience it. It's it's a pretty good idea by the way their truck is what the the Tesla's cybertrust probably should look like when it comes to market ability you know and and I it's funny because now we read. Oh it's almost a thousand horsepower. Zero to sixty in two point nine seconds and it seems like everybody says that now every day is three seconds honor three seconds at any electric vehicles under three seconds. But I don't know this might be an interesting company to take a look at. They've been testing this truck a lot and should be kind of interesting I think it's longer and wider than an F. One fifty but significantly shorter. So it's IT'S A it's it's should be should be pretty interesting but they've been putting a lot of focus on towing and climbing and You know what kind of hill grade you can go up and and and things like that so it'll be kind of interesting. Their competitors of course would be You Know Electric F. One Fifty Tesla Bolinger and a number of others ribian movie. And what's what's the latest on them. 'cause remember they were the hot topic. There was Ford's backing. Yeah they really yes. Arabian is is is cranking away. And they seem to be in a pretty good position and like you said. They've done a few rounds of funding. Now this past year so were the most significant I WANNA say four hundred million for four from Ford or round of four hundred million led by Ford and in a big investment from Amazon as well as others as well so I duNNo. They're sitting on one point. Something one point three billion or something on one point two billion in in recent funding which sounds like a lot and is but is necessary for these types of companies and two things have happened. That we've seen is is Amazon Approach Arabian and said I like your platform. I liked your technology and I know you're working with Ford and some vehicles in your developing your own pickup truck and suv but we want delivery vehicles. And when you're ready we want a hundred thousand delivery vehicles so they're basically putting in order to Rivi on to make one hundred thousand like delivery trucks like I don't know like a transit connect or like ups maybe not that big but something along the lines of of that. So that's a huge not just a huge investment for Ribian but a huge order for vehicles as well and that's the best way to raise money through sales certainly when you're trying to reach profitability and then Ford as we know we've had these conversations with them is four it's going to have an electric f. One fifty and Ford is going to be bringing an easy platform to their Lincoln vehicles. And we don't know if it's cars trucks and or whatever but Ford had said that their f one fifty is gonNA still be based off of their own technology. Maybe something that they've been developing with with the Mustang Mach ee could could translate into an f. One fifty but Ribian is using their technology. The power the new. Ev. Lincoln's and were. We don't know exactly what they're going to be yet. Lincoln aviator or Corsair or something new. We don't know but but an e version of that and I liked that those two partnerships seem super solid for Ribian as a startup company. They're well funded now. They've got huge orders and they've got development partners that are significant in the space. So I'm this is definitely a company. I'm going to be keeping an eye on as we all should be because they could be doing something new however they want they do have their pickup truck and they have their SUV that they want to release as well. And I'm I'm okay with that but I'm also okay with them being just a technology company that develops electric drive trains. Because once you start getting into selling your own vehicles now it comes down to there's a dealer network and there's customer service and there's repairs and warranties and and it's a whole new world which seems like look at the struggles of of a Tesla who's trying to do something on a large scale compared to you know some of these small supercar manufacturers that go through one or two dealers in the entire country you know and cars have to be sent back to the factory for repair and I don't think it's going to be able to get away with that. They're not gonNA look unless ravion comes up with some sort of like. Hey if you want the truck. There's no test driving. There's no whatever you go to their website. You order it like you would Amazon package and you get your truck in the mail and then what no warrant that if it breaks you send it back. I don't know that seems like the difficult. Portion is is the dealer network. But but I do like their technology and what they seem to be doing and I like the partnerships that they have so I definitely something worth looking at you know by now. We've got you know like we said we got Nicholas stepping into that into that area we've got GM GM A- tease their new. The new Hummer based off of probably a GMC pickup truck From what I understand. We'll get an official glimpse at this thing and unveiling on May twentieth of this year. We'll find out. That thing is actually going to look like and what it will be but the news that we have on it of course. They touted themselves as saying. Hey Hummers coming out thousand horsepower. Zero to sixty in three seconds seems to everybody saying delivery. We'll start in twenty twenty one but now they're saying we understand not everybody needs a thousand horsepower and go zero sixty in three seconds so they will have three engine options or power options if you will with with the thousand being at the top of the range and then two more affordable options or more affordable options underneath that. So it'll be interesting to see what they come up with as well but now with GM doing something like this now. We have a company that knows how to make trucks and has a dealer network and understand maintenance and repair and You know has the facilities in place to do that. So an electric Hummer pickup truck and Electric F. One fifty pickup truck could be game changers in in that world. These are you know trucks that are coming from established companies? And of course you know we've seen Chevy Bolton and you know and I think he has an electric vehicle and And and of course Toyota success with with the hybrids in in the pre us but I think in in truck world because they sell so many of these Ford in the in the Hummer are going to be two things to look at as well. I don't know I mean as much as we love horse power and noise I wouldn't I wouldn't completely throw out the idea of having an electric truck. You know like it's not really a project that you and I would take on but I'm not I'm not opposed to the idea It could be it. Could be interesting. You know certainly you can't deny about especially with the original numbers that Arabian was touting with their truck. Yeah look if these things can be as fun as fast as they are and have all the usability no transmission and stuff you can. You've seen these things you've seen the pictures that are doors on the sides and you can push right through them and you can store all kinds of things and hawk all kinds of things and if you can go a little bit off road if you can haul things around and you know I don't do a lot of off roading but we move a lot of stuff back and forth from one building to the other from one shop to the other and I'm moving parts around and picking parts for for for my car projects in in impressed vehicles and like. Hey what does it take to load up the back of a Ford explorer or whatever so you know? A daily driven. Electric truck is more appealing to me than electric car for some reason because I like the idea of of the added functionality of the truck and the fact that it could be fast as help. I like that more than the car side of it. Because the Carside it feels so sporty to me and and with that I do like I like the sound and I like the you know the feel and the vibration of whatever your muscle cars your McLaren's or whatever so. I think a little bit more into the idea of electric truck that I am electric car. What do you think I feel the exact same well? The same reason pretty much. I mean I don't know if it's something that I put in stable but I'm very curious about it and I'm much more curious about it than I am the electric vehicle. Actually the truth is is is your wife. Want a uses the truck probably more than you and I and I would be more curious for someone like that to spend a week or two with one of the electric trucks and half her say I like it or I don't have her say. Oh yeah there's all these extra doors and their storage and I used it for this or have or go it it. I'm not feeling it. You know someone who really because I can't prior out of that F. F. Two drivers my Ram you know like rent a car. And she uses her truck for you know for for all her chores and Whether it's pulling horses or or loading the horse crap in the back of all right everyday on yeah. She would be a a great a one to see the functionality of that. I'm down with this. I think the test is like a rancher lake. Someone like wanted to go. I'm I'm actually going to use this truck for truckstop and absolutely no question because that's no even though out in California there's a limited amount of people who use the trucks for actually what they're used for or what they're built for but Yeah I truly believe that. I think it could be a game changer. I really do I. You know I've I originally was intrigued because of the zero to sixty sixty speed of the damn thing and the and the range of it but I think they're going to be a hell of a lot of you she's for them and I thought I'm excited. I'm excited to see that. I tell you like the lightning that I have is the first truck that I've actually owned and of all the modifications I've done onto it. I will tell you that the most used or arguably the two most used changes I've done to that is one is the headliner. The LINEX bed liner and to that electric tahoe cover the pace Edwards. Electric Tana cover. I have used that thing more than anything. Because I'm constantly putting stuff in and out of the back of their truck. Even parts for the truck are stored in the back of the truck and locked up tailgate. Lock and the electric Tahoe. I swear I've used that thing more. I probably used it fifty times without ever starting the trucker getting in the trucks. I've arguably used it more than I've used the stereo in that truck is as I'm building. It sits there and I keep doing stuff on it I keep grabbing parts in and out of the back but anyway let me tell you guys about dodge. We love our friends at dodge. 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They had a car back in the day. Aero I thank or Ero something or other. Not The best looking car in the world in my opinion but seemed to perform pretty. Well didn't really hear much from the company for a while and they've been developing the the. Tara Tara the two terrorists this new supercar and what's interesting is out here locally in California. We've got our friend. Tom Nelson Nelson racing engines. Spit building crazy engines for a long time years ago on car cast. We had the David Fried Burgers f-bomb Camaro in here with the twin turbos on it and Gelson racing engines Nelson built built. The power plant in that thing has been doing some pretty crazy engines over the weekend and has invested more and more into his business with that crazy fully machined billet alien intake and He may even be doing his own. Engine blocks at this point and which is pretty. You pretty cool stuff well. They went to him for the for the engine on this thing and and if you look at it online it is nothing but art is absolutely beautiful. It is it is. It's pretty crazy and the dynamics as some of the some of the most efficient and sleek as Arrow dynamics out there I think the track. Oh fishing's he was like point two nine or two eight or maybe as low as two six like it's just phenomenal. And the first wine went to Manhattan. Just go to the bank. Go to Manhattan motorcars. Pull out one point eight and you can pick it up. Yeah there you go. Yeah you might as well pull out two million some taxes to cover as well but but here you go one thousand three hundred fifty horsepower on ninety one octane. But if you run it on e eighty five a jumps to one thousand seven. Hundred and fifty. This'll do zero to sixty in two and a half seconds and they claim it has a top speed of over three hundred miles an hour. It hasn't been tested yet. There things get scary at at that speed right. You know where you're going to do it. Can you stop? What's the era doesn't lift off the ground like a you know there's probably a lot of issues with going three hundred dollars an hour? It's a whole list shit. You gotTA with after go on one hundred fifty a anything over hundreds. If you've got to start dealing with a whole new batch Yo- yeah so I I mean I like the idea that on paper it can do that. We love to see it get tested and true track environment. Some sort of racing environment love to see what it does but it's a cool looking car. It's got these sort of Finns in the back. In lieu of like a full wing almost got like devil horns on the back rear remember. What the original one that they touted look like. I mean it was. If I remember correctly we had it on bull-run and one of the season's on bull run and we had it on the track and We we also had. They can't remember what the other car was an MC thirteen. I can't remember what it was but we. We ended up breaking both of them but back in the day they touted the you know the the performance of the vehicle. I believe and it was much more accentuated than the look of the vehicle man. I'll tell you what they have made lips leaps and bounds in the number of years. 'cause this to terror whatever you WANNA call. It is an absolutely gorgeous work alert. Yeah and it's a beast of a machine so my my only thought on it is as I saw some of the videos of it at the at the auto show in Philadelphia because the the first owner I guess is from Philadelphia and he wanted to debut at they are and promote like a charity or something that he's doing brought on bunch of his cars in the collection and it looks cool but he ordered black. It's like a metallic black with some red accents on it and it looked cool when you really kinda zoomed in because the black is beautiful and they did a great job but I would really have liked to seen it in a little bit brighter colored. Just you can see the lines of the vehicle more like from a distance and on and on video. It's it's tough to see all the the curves in the swooping features of it by it is. It is a pretty cool. It is a pretty cool car. And it's American supercar. What is it Like three thousand pounds or something twenty. Five hundred pounds. Yeah it's it's it's I don't even know if it's twenty five hundred might even be less than that I mean. Just it's it's pretty amazing. The engine is is incredible and everything has to just be aluminum and carbon fiber at this point anyway. So you guys look it up the Tara it's Se is the company SEC. Supercars or American. I forget what it was but And my my Instagram Takes five minutes and go on. Instagram. And look at Glickenhaus. Oh Yeah it's my suggestion for the week yeah Anyway check that out as well but some cool stuff so before we wrap up. I want to remind you guys. Tickets are now available. Were doing a car cast live. It's at the Petersen Museum. It's going to be March. Twenty first. There are various stages of tickets there. I think They start at about sixteen bucks. I was Kinda hoping it would be like free but sixteen bucks is pretty cheap and that includes take it to the museum so if you just WanNa go. Mba Spectator at the car. Show and walk around the museum. We did it last year and it was a little confusion as to. Can you go in the museum? Can you knock on the museum? Carshield only sixteen bucks. Gets you in the door for the whole car. Show in the museum and then from there you can show a car. It's got a couple of blocks. And there's a couple of different packages we can stay for a screening and alive podcast. But it's It's going to be I think in the afternoon I think it starts around two o'clock and maybe goes too late at night. I'm not exactly sure but Go to Peterson Dot. Org SLASH CAR CAST. Tickets are available. It's March twenty first. There's a car show so hopefully bring your cars out There will be a live podcast. That will be a screening of Shelby American. You may have even already seen the movie on Netflix. But it's so much fun to see it in a live environment with other people that that appreciate that and I'm talking with Adam Karol. Yeah you know and look and we're we're we're trying to pull some extra footage and some like DVD extras and. Hopefully we can screen some of that stuff as well. So you might be able to see some stuff that you haven't seen before it's GonNa be it's GonNa be a fun event. We will be judging car shows. We gotTA FIGURE OUT THE PLAN. Bill if you can make it out because we want you to be a part of this we gotta just take a look at your. Wwe schedule your schedule. I know you're busy but but but we were GONNA have trophies for the car shows and by the way I want anything like this. This isn't don't just you know. Roll out in your in your near Ferrari or whatever you have that because you think it's super fancy I love those. Bring him out there. 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Using Donor Screening Services

Nonprofit Everything

41:48 min | 6 months ago

Using Donor Screening Services

"Okay stacy this wentz for you. I had the interim executive director of a small nonprofit. What is the best. Way to approach gossiping. Complaining staff of four. Since i'm not going to be in this position for the long haul and wondering if there any limitations or boundaries to your interim role though some interim positions executive director positions or given kind of carp launch to do whatever needs to be done and others have really tight boundaries that the board puts on that position of of what can be or can't be done not wanting to upset the apple cart. So i guess my first question is wondering if that's been communicated in any way Just so you're kind of in alignment with what the board stinking. And and then i think assuming that you have the authority to address situations like this And just to kind of keep the ship running and trying to clean it up as best you can before the new executive director gets there. I'm thinking that a a meeting With with the team the sort Talk a little bit about you. Know change and changes uncomfortable. Sort of start with that. But then i would kind of lead it into. What do you think makes a good workplace in a good a good work better and and having that conversation and seeing what they say and then perhaps You know listing it outright like what are some of the core values that like we want in this chain period of change. What are the kind of the core values. We wanna uphold his like a healthy work culture. And i would i would brainstorm it with them and then i mean if you really want to be direct. I would then say. That's not being reflected right now in our behaviors. So so what are we going to do to change that or like are we gonna hold ourselves accountable to this so i i honestly think it needs to be a little bit of discussion instead. They're just coming down on kind of addressing that changes uncomfortable but also giving them a process to think through what kind of culture they wanna work in especially during this transition period and then getting agreement that everyone's going to hold each other accountable and of course then if they don't abide by that or the gossiping and the garbage you know the silliness continues then then you start going down. The hr path of verbal warnings and written warnings. And all that. But but i think i sort of addressing that elephant in the room is important. It makes me wonder if it's like the substitute teacher effect right. Because like does the interim part like how much does that bring to. It is it. Is it that. Because you're interim you feel like you don't necessarily have the authority to make any long term plans for these people and that you just want wanna get by and maybe maybe it's a little bit of just like i don't wanna i don't wanna rock the boat or get into nasty sticky situations because i'm not going to be here. That long feels like that might be a little piece of the question But but for staff of to be gossiping and completely career the gossiping in complaining about each other. They thought that many people. I don't know i mean it. Sounds like maybe they're just maybe they're just bad employees because because the you gotta wonder what the issue is like what are what's the why are they upset like is it. Are they complaining about how it used to be because that should be water under the bridge at this point right. That should be the the old. I'm the new. The old has gone. So i don't know why you're still complaining about that. That seems to be a waste of time. So maybe maybe we all just need to go have some cocktails. When that's a thing you're allowed to do again and just like hash it out and get it out of everybody's system and so we can have a fresh start. I would think that you would be if there is an interim position and not knowing how it happened. But i'm gonna guess a whiz If there's gossip. I mean like if it was a plan transition or something and an interim isn't intentional. Step in between leaders. That would be one thing and i think that that might be less filled with gossip but like if it was something where that a former and we don't know this but the former. Apd got lecco or something really you or just left Whatever happened in his interim got put in. I mean. I could see where there'd be gossip even though it's a small team but it'd be like oh god what's going on here. We lost our leader. Like who's this new person. Are we going to be on the chopping block. I mean i think it's probably filled with a lot of uncertainty not knowing the specific circumstance. So so really just addressing it which kind of goes back to that authority question. Like how much authority do have you been given the interim and do you want to take on. I mean i've seen organizations where they bring in an interim and truly that interim is there any kind of transition turnaround expert. To get things the ship righted make all those decisions cleanup bad staff. Clean up all the stuff. That's a mess to the new e coms and fresh and like without a big headache. So i don't know if it's that situation or if it's really just people feeling uncomfortable and thinking they can get away with it. But i definitely think it's gotta stop because good grief like that's just toxic and unhealthy and they need to be doing their work darn it seriously. But so that's a good point too about the that everybody's because there's a leadership. Transition people are feeling unsettled. Probably and and for this group that that feeling of being unsettled is is manifesting itself in in poor playbay viewers so so yeah so like i mean. I is as much as i pretend to be the opposite. I'm probably. I'm the big softie that's gonna let people come into my office and complained to me. All day. might not do anything about it. But but i'm i would definitely listen and see if i can figure out if there's some sort of common theme and if it is something to do with just the uncertainty of the viability organization like the left and they were doing such a great job and we don't know why and now we don't know if the organization is coming apart and we are all going to get fired and that's that's not a something that you should be able to address just by saying like the organization is it. We've got new leadership. We may have new leadership again in the four weeks or six months or whatever after the interim period is over. So it's up to us to make sure that we can fix all the stuff we can fix and then and then move on from there and let the past. Be the past on work. Nonprofit marketing tweet that a nonprofits presents nonprofit everything. The podcast about everything. Nonprofit with your host andy shirt and stacey wedding. Today's episode is sponsored by the hr collaborative the hr collaborative was formed to help build nonprofit strengths through improved human resources. It provides professional development opportunities networking and sharing of best practices on hr issues faced by nonprofit organizations. the collaborative meets bi monthly. Membership is free and open to anyone who works for a nonprofit and has hr responsibilities for more information or to attend upcoming meeting. Visit their website at www dot hr collaborative l. d. dot. Org check out the nonprofit everything show notes for more information talk everybody. Thank you for joining us. Another episode of nonprofit everything. I am really excited to share today's guest and all of his wisdom with you and welcome. Brad thank you. Thanks for having me. Yes we've got brad stiff and I've known brad for years. She's been just sort of a fundraising staple in our community Quite the expert on a variety of topics related to fund raising and sort of the strategy behind it Brad is a certified fundraising executive. So has that credential and also another credentials c. s. pg. What does that stand for. Brad that certified specialist in planned giving. That's something that is I don't know if it's an acronym that most people are familiar with so it basically is just the same thing as a cf but it's in planned giving. Okay okay great. Well i figured you know when. I see all these initials behind your name. I know that impressive and Brad has company philanthropy development associates. So brad i wanna give you just a moment before we kick off with a little bit of background on you and your company. Okay thank you Unexpected i've been here since one thousand nine hundred four. My wife and eye allison moved here. when we were expecting our first child prior to that we were consultants with one of the largest campaign consulting firms in the nation. And we were going from city to city directing major capital campaigns for organizations. But we didn't really want to drag a child around that way so we moved here in nineteen ninety four. I became the executive director of nevada ballot theater. And after five years there and taking that organization to Wonderful new heights. I decided to hang up my own. Shingle here in las vegas and Star consulting against so. We've been doing this for quite a long time. We've been lucky enough to work with some fantastic people Both here in southern nevada and all across the nation. We're trying to focus more on our own community now. You get to a point where you're like. I really just wanted to do stuff for my own. Now and said we focused primarily on major guests planned giving and capital campaigns planning studies in and so on although we well-versed in all those All of the fundraising avenues. We just have to focus on are are things that we do best. We like to do the most. I love it. I love it very wise and data. I'm sure all of those words plan giving major gifts. All of not stuff perked up the ears of our listeners. Because i know many have questions on it. And that's what leads us to today's conversation so we actually had someone someone share with us that they were really sort of grappling with the extent of the need of donor. Well screening so. Let me read you. They actual question and then let's have a conversation about it. So question is i'm on the board of an organization that has been around a while and has a very large donor database. The stock has recently paid to put it through a wealth screen and now the consultant wants them to put it through another screen to see which donors have an interest in our mission. Can't we just assume not are ready since they've made a donation to us or am i missing something. Okay i I guess we can answer the question. The individual that's asking. This is correct in their assumption that the organizations past donors have already in fact shown an interest at some level bigger small in their mission. But a couple of things. I'm hearing in the question. A couple of things could be going on. That might cause some confusion. So why don't we break up the question and examine what we're working with and what might be happening here sounds great. The individual says they have a very large donor database donor quote unquote. Just how large is the database will most search services cost anywhere from three cents to six cents record screen and the larger the batch being screened. Of course the lower they're going to charge you per record and the proposed cost in the question. Here is forty thousand dollars. So it's it's a big database. And if we divide that by three cents per record. We're talking about anywhere from a million to one point three million As far as the database or bats. That's going to be screened proposed to be screened. This is huge I want to work with this organization. I'm sure you do do actually let me let me ask you to pause for a minute broad so i'm to clarify for our listeners. I did not re. There was a piece of of this question. Parentheses that brad scene but then i forgot to read when i just mentioned this but did talk about. It's basically a forty thousand dollar cost. Which is where broad forty thousand dollars from so okay. I just wanted to clarify not. Let's let's move on. Brad got it. So yeah my ears perk up. When i say wow forty thousand okay. That's that's a huge database. And you can do some Reverse analytics are trying to figure out. Okay how big is this database. This is huge now. The second thing is the organization said that they've already screamed the database and we don't know if stat initial screen was the entire database or if it was just donors and i'm thinking it might just be donors why do i say that Consultant wants to put the entire database through another screening while the big reputable search firms. They know what they're doing and they're probably not going to make that kind of mistake where they have to screen the entire database against so. I'm thinking maybe just the donors that they already have that to. The organization were screened wealth screened. Which is what was said in question. Perhaps the other Portion is non donors so we have to ask ourselves. I did they screen the entire database on. I run if so that firm. That's handling all those. All that search should have conducted all the screening needed on. That i pass in. There should be no reason to do a second. Pass the the second thing i wanted to mention. What protect my ears again was the proposed second screening As it was indicated in the question is to see which honors have an interest in the organization's mission and so this is another reason why guessing the first green was for donors and wealth to find out who are the major donors in their big haystack. Where where's the needle. But a couple of needles in the haystack. That can bring them a lot of support and the second screening is probably the non donors And they're looking for affinity and propensity to give their organization. So i guess the answer overall is you might be missing something so i think the board member might need to ask. The question of the staff is there a segmentation that's been going on. And the first green was donors in the second screen is non donors strikes me as that infamous game of telephone right where each arson right that the message passes to it. There's a little detail that gets left out or added or whatever the case may be and so because this was a board member who asked this question. My sense is that that board member probably may not have all of the fax or Or even re recognized that. There's these different sort of types of screening layers of screening populations screen. Right so there. There could just be a this. Could just be as simple as asking a few clarifying questions. It sounds like but they were definitely Smack on when they were thinking. Okay if these are donors. Don't they already like us. Thirty shown us that they like us. And that's true The the reason you wanted to well screening for those donors is defined. Somebody's giving you a one hundred dollars a year for ten years You didn't know that. They made super large gifts to other organizations or they are a huge political donor which is a strong indicator of ability and propensity to give They have two or three homes One on the co something like that they. They have an aircraft that a plane or a yacht on a foundation board. All these things will pop up in the well screening and one of the more interesting ones here for us in some of our large Executives here in the gaming industry is who owns than ten percent of the public stock in their company. And those are all those wealth flags go up into. Wow i didn't know this person was in our midst. it sounds like I mean there's there's a whole lot of benefits from well screening as i. I'm hearing you speak about this so so do you think i mean. Obviously there's a cost to everything. So i'm sure some of our listeners are thinking at what point are they large enough or is the database large enough to to go through with with screening firm. That can help them Can you speak to any of that or some things for for our listeners. Think about as it relates to that. I've had with a lot of organizations on their research on their screening and one of the questions. I always get this question. Which search company or firm is the best and part of my answer to that is when can afford because there are some that are super expensive. and really large organizations with larger budgets are their their clients if you will and there are others that don't charge quite as much But you kind of get what you pay for but bottom line is if you can do some screening that the thing that costs the most is big batch screening. You're you have one hundred thousand records in their charging us success per record it gets pretty pricy You can have annual subscriptions to search firms where you can do one off your in your database and you want to screen one particular donor. You can have unlimited One time screening. So i can look up. Brad stiff than at five minutes later. I can look up stacey wedding and so on. It's the large batches that become really expensive so even if you're small their firms out there that can help you with the search capabilities. That's really helpful to know. And i think Can maybe ease people's minds. Who are always looking of course at the budget like we like we all do when our worlds at it it also. I'm curious to know from a standpoint of what you've seen brad. Does it make sense if let's say donor gave to your right. Hypothetically speaking many years ago. I don't i'm just going to say five years ago right But hasn't given again and this leads to probably much larger conversation of why but But i'm curious to know if they're sort of parameters or guidelines about who should be screens if you're spending the money to screen somebody. Does it make sense to do more. Recent donors who have shown a recent interests certainly. Does you got those. You better prospects. But i would include all the way back to five years after that year. Pretty much trading them as a non donor again and they need to be cultivated Just like any other first time donor would be especially if you haven't had a lot of Contact with them now. If you've had a lot of contact with them and they're they've been involved in one way or another and they haven't given a different thing. Yeah that that makes. There's so many variables and you know every time you peel back. Another layer of onion. I think you realize that none of this is quite just. Oh just do a donor screen right like there's there's questions to ask things to consider You know i. I wish it were always just a super simple idea. But but it shows why people like you are needed because people need a need you know some. Some context and some guidance around all of this and organizations may want to prioritize. they're they're screening batches and of course the people that are given to you longest without a break are sometimes the the best Donors for plan. Guess people that have shown loyalty. And perhaps they. They're not the wealthiest person on the block but they can make the question organization. So there's a lot of different reasons and i think that's the first thing you have to ask yourself before you enter into a screening With the firm is what am i trying to get out of this. Am i looking for major donors the hidden gems amongst my might donor database. Am i looking for those individuals who can possibly consider a plan gift. My organization and those are two different screens. Those are two different things. You're looking for you bring up a good question about what to ask. The people the wealth the well screening firms. Are there any other questions. That should be asked when when a nonprofit is going through that interview process of who to select well. I think it's really important to find out What integration. They have so by that. I mean can. I send you can export from my donor database. My crm can export that to the company. The company does its searches and they append that information that they find to those records and then is uploaded right back into my my crm. So it's sort of seamless or whether or not you're gonna have to separate records of that. You really want to go with something. That can integrate with whatever you're using the other question to ask is exactly. What are you going to provide me. What are you looking for. What are your outcomes of this again. You want to be able to for well screening. You wanna be looking for their capacity and their propensity to give those are the two main things so are they giving to other organizations like yours or are they giving large gifts to any other nonprofit organizations and what are their their holdings real estate and otherwise And do they own large amounts of stock The other thing that you'll find out you wanna find out from them is. Do you do a search that will reveal donors that are connected to commonly known as an inner circle of for a nonprofit. So for example. They'll come up with. Oh it got ten people in that last batch that went through the have some connection with one or more of your board members. And you might not even know that connectivity. So there's a connective Aspect to some of these searchers. Well that's super helpful. I hope everybody listening was writing those down and capturing those so if you're in the process out now we're in the future you know task i will share just on a personal note I am working with a client now. Who has really ramped up. Some of their expectations of board members around giving and we always know that can be a bit of a messy of transition for boards and uncomfortable transition but one of the things. They're embedding into their new. Process is having a wealth screening tool before they even go to recruits a new board member. Which shows that the level of priority that they're putting on this. Obviously i always encourage them to look beyond just the dollars because we know board board being a board member and a strong board member is more than just the money but if not as critically important. They're doing some of those one off searches. You mentioned brad so it just goes to show how versatile some of this can be a whether you're doing a big batch or just a handful. Yeah it's it's the bottom line on research is more information is better than less and if you can afford to do it in one form or another. Get all the information that you can. There are hospitals medical centers that use well screening on a daily basis simply to know who's in their facility at the moment that we may have overlooked. Have hundreds of beds sometimes thousands of beds in these medical centers and every every night the census has sent out to a well screened farm and by seven o'clock in the morning on the dod's desk is a list of the the hits if you will of high ability in high propensity don't patients so that's another part of the searching. You have arts organizations that want to know who's sitting in those seats and so after every performance you've got the same type of thing if they have enough information on who purchased the ticket so there's all sorts of different ways to look at this. Well i get excited. Hearing about the potential for having more information to make informed decisions so I'm a bit of a nerd though so self proclaimed nerd around this stuff so But you're speaking my language brad so I just want to thank you so much for giving your time sharing your expertise with our listeners. I think i walked away I i know. I walked away. Learning a few few things about well screening and also knowing. It doesn't have to just be large organizations. That was one thing that really resonated with me i think many Many non-profit sir even less than a million dollars in revenue that they're bringing in a year but they wonder if these tools are really just accessible them if they are the hospitals or large arts organizations and it sounds like from what you're saying not necessarily especially if they do a little bit more of the kind of one off select screening. Yeah that's true. Yep and i think that even the smaller stations you there is an upfront initial investment every year to be a subscriber for this service. But you can do it and you can know. Who's in your midst that's great. Any final thoughts are concluding remarks. Brad now just just find out as much as you can about the people that are connected with your organization and Prioritize that's what the research helps you do you've got a million people in your database. How are you going to prioritize. This is it you're gonna find out who's in there and who rises to the top. You only have so many hours every week to go out. There and cultivating solicit. Oh andy. i know you're gonna love this question. You know when. I start like that. You need to run for the hills expression okay. I am relatively new in the position. I'm wondering if you have any tips for combating imposter syndrome. And being comfortable in a role of authority laughter says it all news. Nope so now. To be perfectly candid. So i think this is something that i think. The reason that we're laughing is. Because i think sort of if you take sort of stereotypical gender like this is how as particular gender has conversations about feelings. Right from the stereotypical sam point. Like stacy's thinking that my opinion is going to be exactly what i said which i've never heard of this. I've i clearly hundred percent in control of all the situations. I'm in and and very comfortable in the role of authority at one hundred percent of the time because like why wouldn't i be right but i think it's i think the difference is that the like you're you're less likely to see i mean obviously i am just like over generalizing to the nth degree is that in general. You're going to see sort of your male colleagues are never going to say. I have imposter syndrome. They may have it inside. They may be feeling it internally but it's not something they're ever gonna say out loud because that you know that that would make them smaller what they say that would make them smaller and and for to give everybody a little bit by an inside peek to our world before we recorded this question. We were sort of bantering back and forth about it prior and i just i literally said andy. Have you ever felt imposter syndrome. Because i don't think. I know of one man and i'm sorry man i'm not. I'm not knocking you. I just don't think i've ever heard of a man ever ever even like remotely even hinting at imposter syndrome. I mean and i and yet his like every day. I could tell you at least one conversation. I had with a female in some hide of leadership position that is doubting herself or feeling like perhaps she does it and it's not just a gender thing but it's just interesting because i truly have this like kind of have this belief that men don't feel this way so i would love for any of any of our male listeners. Who deal with imposter syndrome. Please come back and check me on that because these let me know your hunan and he'll really just think it's like it's the external procession because i mean honestly you go into any any new role so when i got the job as cfo of three square. That was a completely new job for me. I'd never been cfo anywhere. I never worked at a food. Bank before I had never done like inventory. Things like dealing with tons and tons of products that are going to go out. The door to be donated was completely brand new world to me and the first so. I got the job strangely enough. Got the job. And the first thing i did was like freak out by lights. Twelve books on amazon. How to do the job. I just been hired to do so so while i might not have said to piers like i don't deserve this role. I don't think i'm capable of doing it. How did how. How did i fool them into hiring the right. Which is i think. Is that the definition if a- posture syndrome yet. So instead of doing that like i clearly internalized it all and went. Oh my god. I may be in over my head. Let's make sure. I don't drown right so i think it's just a matter of lake so so mine is just like a growing permanent ulcer and and more Blood pressure medicine than most people. Like maybe maybe that's sort of that internalizing of all of that stuff instead of like letting off the release file talking about it talking about right so now that we've talked. We've talked about that. It does exist in everybody or or most people So what do we think is do. We have advice. I like tip or two. But i would love to hear yours. You have to prove for someone. Should they get twelve books from amazon. Andy what i mean obviously have to any relevant opinion on this at all. Now that we've started this into a gender studies. Podcast i really so i think yeah. I don't think my opinion is worth two cents on this. I think my opinion is completely valueless on this question well so much for that so sorry to the person who wrote in with so yeah i was like. We're a lot of help for you. Aren't we Okay first of all. I do think though what we're saying. Andy is a little bit of. We need to normalize that. This is normal to feel this way like i and i think that's the first part of this because sometimes people think they are the only ones feeling this way or like that. Maybe they really aren't out for it because they don't hear other people expressed out or concern or you know whatever and so so as a result it feels like this huge like thing that only they're dealing with so i guess i mean the first thing i would wanna do for the person that wrote in with us is that it is normal people do experience it people obviously experience it in different ways The two pieces of advice that i will share that i just one that i think is great for someone in a nonprofit. Is that when you can get yourself out of your own out of focusing on yourself and your feelings so like actually getting into the work like touching the mission feeling the mission like mission work like if you have the opportunity in your nonprofit to get connected to the work. It's amazing how all this other images collect crap like fades away right mental stuff you get really reinvigorated and just like it takes mind yourself and and moves it toward the larger purpose of the organization. So i think any time. We can do that when we're facing something like this is one strategy to sorted at least relieve it And the other thing is that's a really concrete to all that i have learned through many years of different coaching. different mastermind. groups is sort of we have the power to change our mindset. So figuring out when you're aware that that thought is coming in your what can you replace it with and i'm not talking going from like super negative. Oh god why. Do i have this job like they were silly to hire me too. I'm wonderful and amazing. And i you know kicked out every day. I'm not talking like that extreme thing but like how can you sort of like replace that one cent like that one set of mental narrative with something new. That's like i've faced new things before. And i've gotten through it and here i am today like something that neutralizes it like doesn't put all of the just the the energy that kind of it's like something that turns into like a huge. It's like starts as a snowball and the next thing you know. It's an avalanche with your thoughts. You wanna kinda nip in the bud right when it's at the snowball stage right and sort of redirect those thoughts to something that has more of a neutral statement and something that's kind of factual like hey you know whatever like replace x with the something else. That feels a little bit more like i've accomplished of accomplished you know new things before and i've set foot new things before and yet others nerves at the beginning but guess what i'm smart figure out my way through it like whatever that is for you but like sort of trying to redirect because it's like it's not kinda that that thing that we feed it when we keep feeding the thought it just gets worse than it. It's i also think like you know another thing i just. I'm throwing this in there if you have like a group of really close colleagues or friends or even like they've got some groups that are like i know. There's one in southern nevada. That's kind of a southern nevada executive directors group And that tends to be female executive directors and they get together regularly and one of the things they do is support each other a lot about like through. Not only just kind of the ins and outs in technical pieces of their jobs but also things like this that everyone faces so if you have sort of a trusted small group of people to that you can dispute open. Share the stuff with it. It helps a ton. So there's my three strategies what do you think about those andy. I think those are great. And i think i especially liked that you brought it back to the sort of mental health aspect of it as well. Because you're right that can be incredibly destructive that that that that feeling that you're not you're not worth the role that you've been placed into or that you're incapable of doing it and that that puts you into some sort of spiral where it's very difficult to get out of. I think that's a really important thing to remember. It's one of those things that you have to sort of lake name. It and claim it is like. I'm feeling like this. And now that i've said it out loud now that i've said it it's okay to not feel like it anymore. It's like i've i've got to. I've got to acknowledge that this is something that's happening and i know that it's happening and so i'm going to be aware of that feeling so it doesn't sneak up on me and the other thing you said which was i think i think Like really critical. And i you know after you set on like well. Yeah i did. That was one of the things. I did like once i after i started at three square. So one of the things about cool things about being in a position of authority is that you're now in a position of authority like you are now just by virtue of whatever role you've been placed in given that to sort of use that you can use that currency elsewhere so as cfo three square. One of the first things i did was the smith center came online and the fort weather first things i did. When the smith center came online was called rick. Johnson who was the. Cfo this first cfo. This said hey rick. I'm andy i'm the. Cfo at three score at the food bank like tried to go get much like welcome. Welcome to town. I'd love to go have lunch with you and like in the back of my mind. I'm like maybe he's going to tell me how to do. My job right. Maybe maybe i could get some secret tips on the and and in those kinds of conversations you absolutely. Do you have somebody that you've now had lunch with that. You've had a conversation with an if you're not just if you're not a horrible person you know super self centered person and you're actually engaging and listening like then then they're willing to add some questions if you have you know stuff like hey i've been trying to figure this out. I wonder if you have an idea on it. And then and then you're right those those professional networks if other people that are in the same role as you and other places a lot of times. They are willing to talk. You know. they're willing to say. Here's what i found that works for me or this is the resource that i use to help you with this thing and sort of making that network of people that you now. Because you're because you're you d because you're a cfo because you're in this new role that you don't think you deserve like use that to connect with the other people that are already in that role because now you can't now it's totally degenerated legitimate to be you know. Cfo to cfo or edd or something like that. Our board member to board member. You've got that you've got that calling card now. We've reached the end of another episode of nonprofit everything. Thanks for joining us. Stacey and i really appreciate that you take the time to listen to the podcast. And we're always delighted when we check out How many listeners have and see that. it's a large number and that makes us so happy to see that That this is useful because we figured if it wasn't useful the number would get smaller and smaller and smaller. But it's not. It's actually getting bigger and we really. That makes us really happy so tells us we're doing good stuff but if there stuff we could do better if their questions you want answered if you have comments on the format comments on the music comments on the audio editing comments on anything at all send out to us or send us your questions and we are so excited to get those and really happy to see them. And and really geek out on doing all the research. Try to what the answers are. Or if we can't figure it out finding a guest expert that can so thanks again for joining us. We will see you in a couple of weeks in your mouth.

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Guest: Brian Myerscough

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Guest: Brian Myerscough

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Appreciate it support to sponsor support the show on Brian Myerscough and now as promised on the fly flyer racing racer x podcast arrived or that. I've never met but certainly read a ton about over the years and I'm happy to have him on the show finally to break down his career career racing motocross and what he's doing now and everything else. It's Brian Myerscough. What's up Brian? How are you? Yeah how you doing You know really happy to be on the show. Oh I feel blessed actually so yeah. It's incredible well. I so appreciate it. We we we both Oh bones at pro circuit a thank. Think for that because he's the one who got me your number. Yeah yeah that was interesting because so yeah I mean you know when I was hunger I remember bones for I ride no one twenty five Husky. You know racism saddle back a big tall skinny guy on an underpowered Husky at the time and so yeah I was kind of funny absolutely nice. He's a good guy and I've been trying to get them to do one of these with me but he doesn't like talking about himself every but he likes talking to. He certainly loves bench racing. You know but he doesn't want to do one of these so that's funny. So what's what's going on with you now. What's happening Brian? Where are you at? What's going on? Yeah probably well. I'm in the up and Upper Michigan and Right by the Canadian border. Chu Mm Sainte Marie Michigan basically. I came up here because my mom lives up here and my sister. My mom suffered from dementia I didn't know oh how long she had left. And I kind of came up here to help my sister. Take care ever She's now in a nursing home and so I just You know I save up here. Basically Nice up there right. Yeah I set for a lot of snow right now but yeah. I'm still getting used to that cold the snow stuff. So what's your raised southern California Kid Right yeah right. So I you know like I was born in Southern California in San and actually and then Basically I grew up in a place called. Palo Mesa's right next to you kuyper which is close to you. Know Kinda the famous Riding Place Beaumont Tapia so yeah So yeah I grew up there and then Just kinda all started there really dirt bike at all anymore or Wednesday when I came back to California last year and visited my son Yeah I wrote like a dual sport bike and he lives right where I grew up so all all the trails where I grew up. Riding and Steph we were able to Ride and yeah. It was great so when you so yeah no. That's cool. ooh That's that's great so where. Where's your national winning trophies? Where are they at Brian? You still got on. He's still he's still look at him once in a while. Like wow I you know like so you know like So one of them. I don't know where they're at so Days I could be at my cousin's house is a friend of mine that you know had some stuff A lot of stuff you know just law the long story but yeah so I have a couple of things but Yeah for the most part. I don't have a lot of this stuff You know it's okay You remember it. Yeah I remained. So yeah I WANNA like the seventy nine national hang towns first race there Kinda always remember being on the top of the motorhome with Bob Hannah right. Yeah he won the two fifty class at the time and then Another ratio one. Let us at Saddleback nineteen eighty and So that was probably you know I mean that was one of my best professional races ever purpose I think about being a boon ray southern California kid saddleback is where it's at the you you probably want you went there to watch the nationals. When you were a kid and now you win it in front of all your family mean friends like that? That'd be insane. Yeah you know. We raised a lot of races there. And even you know like I wrote many mini-cycles stuff so yeah I'd grown up there and race slot there and you know when the you know the Trans Ams and all that used to come like in the seventies well. Yeah we used to go watch and you know watch watch Roger and all the guys and just So yeah it was you know Great Memories So yeah I just loved all that stuff for here. You've you've only sport much now. Supercross motocross are you. Are you follow it for sure. Who when I told my son? Yeah I got a hold of me for doing doing a you know. He listens to showing it was. He's a big fan school. So yeah like both of us I would say or you know like huge fans love it. uh-huh yeah I follow it and just So I've always you know like it's just the best sport in the world to me and it always has been knowledge will be. Yeah so yeah can you. Can you believe wrong. Force jokes now. Brian forced run. That right. Can you imagine how I can't. Yeah so it's a lot. It's changed and everything so it's down. I'll really interesting and But Yeah I follow it and I just So yeah I really love. Have it for you when you were living in cow did you go to. Some supercross is now and then and hang out Yeah Yeah So. I've been to a few of them so go to Anaheim and the you know the guys So yeah some of the guys that we kinda grew up with racing. I don't know if you know Todd Peterson. You know team swollen well. Then he had a big group of US She has like a shop down there. So yeah you know Oh good. That's good that's good. You're you're on top of it and you're still following that's cool because solitaire. Yeah these some of these older guys. They don't really yeah they just the. It's not part of their life anymore. You know and it's an. I can never understand Dan because we I was just like you know much much much much much slower but I grew up with it my whole life since I was four years old. You know so it's all I sport is all I now right so so crazy Go ahead no go ahead. Well I mean I just you know like there's probably been times where I didn't really follow. Hello it is closely and everything but it's just always been in me and so it's something that I always loved ever since like. You're saying the kids so when I was very young I knew new kind of exactly what I wanted to do for some reason and then You know my parents for an end to motorcycles but two older brothers one of my older brothers was into riding writing. So we both road and So Yeah I've always kinda really been into it and so yeah I follow it a lot today and you know it's very interesting lasting you know and then you know so I ready you know. Enjoy some of the shows and now the guy's career now they handle things and so it's very like like I've learned a lot basically now really reading about your career. Let's go back in time machine a little bit way back when reading about your career my whole life life and you were I. I'm guessing you and Wardi you. And Jeff Ford were kind of the Stewart. Carmichael of the eighty s in the mid seventies. Really right I mean you guys seem like air the amateur eighty. God's back them right so yeah it it was. You know like there was a lot of us but I'd have to you know like yeah. Both of us were very close and You know Very close racing seem together. Even when we're younger you know we used to hang out and Work Friends close friends or whatever and so yeah so a- and it's funny because when you look at your results immediately of course Wardi what. He didn't win his first race until like eighty three I think was his first race maybe and he took a while for him to get going. He was a smaller guy. Of course immediately. When you guys jumped in the pros you had more success than him as a pro? Yeah you know I don't know It's just kind of I don't know I probably grew for one thing and then You know like I. I don't know with with him as like it. None of it surprises me because when I was very young so I don't know if you've seen that you know like on the on any Sunday movie where are you doing when he was a kid. You know me and my brother were at saddleback. And we'd I was watching him around the Maybach. I gotTa meet this guy anyways anyway. We used to ride trials right. So that's when I kinda. I knew him his dad trials. That's how I started out writing files and he did but he raised at the same time to uh-huh anyways Jeff's always been a you know a huge talent and so I knew he would win eventually it just you know. Sometimes it takes time I'm sure and all that. So yeah when you turn pro euros a couple nationals in seventy seven according to race vault and then seventy eight You came you racing the whole year. Where you factory Suzuki where you WANNA be Reid? Did they put you on the factory team them. I'd say seventy eight No it was the packer ride so I did like a couple of nationals and seventy seven like on you know. I had a privateer Suzuki R. and D. Racing Did my bi