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ACS (Part 1): Rick Fox and Jace Hall

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ACS (Part 1): Rick Fox and Jace Hall

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Pat, basically, the Super Bowl of gaming was the second most watched program after the Super Bowl really worldwide that's make century start factoring in China and all that kind of stuff, but still nuts pretty soon, start calling the Super Bowl the football. Yes. I it really. I mean the notions gonna fall down the ladder. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I mean that's I know it sounds like Pro Bowl gate right now. But it is the Super Bowl of the gaming things. Go to take over head Harrity has a these guys are going to get millions of dollars team owners like Rick Fox are going to be multi Jillian airs for owning gaming teams. It's, it's all there. It's all we're showing concussion fuzziness say. Free certainly a former football hotbeds, California. A lot of parents aren't letting their kids play just the town's going to dry up. Well, not only that, but the simulation of violence. So violence is such a strong part of our DNA. It's obviously not acceptable in our civilized, society. There's no jousting or dueling or you know, on guard or my second. So call your seconds at dawn, I swear to God, I think my biggest problem with dueling would be dawn. Yeah, I'd be like for me like we're both gonna take musket pistols, and we'll take ten paces. I'd be like yeah. Okay. And we go back to back and we take ten paces, and we turn, and we exchanged shots of musket balls. That'd be okay. And then they'd be like Scholl. Have my seconds. Visit you at dawn, and I'd go. Ooh, I'm on board on board. The more the all all of it. I like I like the like the knee high pants on the shoes with the buckles. I like the high socks this, this thing, first off, can we get a Cup of Mead and us coffee or whatever some grueling us on up sundown? I'm just I'm not a morning dealer. So. This is going to get you. We love violence, and it's not acceptable. But we shall simulate the violence, and this is how we shall simulate it. All right. I have some clips and some stuff I was thinking about something we haven't visited in a long time. I don't know. I just found this interesting talk into Nate over at the other shop about doing a series about cars and cars that were lost, and we're gonna do some series with the history channel the cars, and the stories and the baba blonde. That's interesting stuff, one of the first ones they wanna do is James, dean's five fifty spider. Porsche Spyder probably retails. I mean, not with his name on it just a five fifty spider in sort of that, trim that he got it in probably about a four million three point five to four million dollar car today. James Dean, bought it like nineteen fifty five. He went and drove it to button, willow, which is not near which is sort of little pass willow springs. I marvel at the two places in the entire San Fernando Valley, where I could buy European hinges and closers, and sliders when I was doing that kind of cabinet building at the time. One call one place with. And this is when it was specialty items stuff. You couldn't get it at Home Depot. One place was called sid Sajid. Places called sid Charney. He's and I was like this. Accumulation of the same name, then the only place you get the custom laminates where force plying far west by which, of course, is just going to be confusion. All the time if you think you're going to sit GNC nets Charney so far west. But it was forest, it's why it's crazy that they're two tracks in this entire area. And one is willow springs and others button willow. But when Ozzy said it was just say, willow then anyway, on the way to willow springs springs will go to button willow and famously James steam wanted to break in his five fifty that he bought out here and I think downtown back when it was real exotic have a Porsche in Los Angeles. And so in order to break in the motor, which is what you'd have to do back in the day and still a little bit in the race car world today, he opted with his mechanic, I think, to drive it to button button willow and down. The grapevine and on the way with the sun going down that cars about three feet off the ground convertible. I mean it comes up to your it's silver. I think the son was like setting and there's some guy driving a big Buick the other direction and they didn't see him and he turned, and he was instantly killed the dual the dawn, and there is I know at noon ish, and there is a. If you go there, it's like a big gas station, supermarket, whatever have cut out pictures of James Dean, whenever they're capitalizing on it anyway. That car when known of as little bastard, or little bastard, before there was a little Wayne, there's a little bastard, and and, and had a number one thirty on it. And he took that car to George barris, who is like the only game in town and car, customizing builder of the batmobile builder of the monkeys mobile builders of all those mobiles and custom paint shop, and blah. Blah, blah James Dean took it to George barris. He told him put a number on it. You know, custom paint a number and write little bastard on the on top of that. It was like on the trunk lid are on the back, so that car became a little bastard, and our little bastard, and it was one thirty and he painted up and then he. Took it, and he got he got killed in it, and also really. There's a crazy video that's weird haunting video where they were doing a PSA with James Dean God. No, I'll tell you what's haunting about it, and max paddock and probably find it is doing this stuff on the fly. So we'll give them a little time but there's a PSA video or James Dean, it's like he's clearly in his trailer. And somebody said, hey, can we just shoot the sing real quick for safe driving, and blah, blah, blah? And the script was watch out there because the person whose life you may save maybe your own and that was the little thing. He switched it up and said, maybe me. Wearily I probably weeks or months before he died. He the script and said drive safely, the life out there. You save maybe me spoken to exist, check. It means something to people. They don't wanna kill James Dean. And I think that was hayme just putting his own little twist on it. And I don't know when, but it couldn't have been twenty years, karma, GAAS did not like that. He was killed by someone you know, just driving Buick, and his a little bastard, and. Barris ended up purchasing the five fifty Porsche for twenty five hundred dollars. The mangled won the mangled one now that car. I mean, the engine and those cars are three hundred grand but that cars, I don't know. I don't know what price you'd put on the James Dean part of it. It'd be one of those ten million dollar vehicles now because, you know, the St. the five fifty has a price of three to four million bucks. Already that minus any James steam, the car from bullet is a Mustang that has a price that's worth nine thousand dollars. But it's four million dollars now because Steve McQueen in bullet so who knows what the four million dollar vehicle could be James? Dean on it. I don't know. He owned it. He he traveled around to two high schools for automotive safety whatever's, how they do that, to take that mangled car and they put it in the parking lot. And they wanted our right everyone. Come out and for me anything, but study anything to find good. There's gonna car. Oh boy. Right. So he did that. And then it was stolen and it was stolen and it was never seen again. Never seen again. And somebody, it's in somebody's underground, sort of bunker collection. No doubt in my mind. How would it even be stolen on a flatbed? I mean it certainly didn't run. I imagine it was getting shipped from. One port and the next port and Florida and I don't know if you know anything about Floridians or guys who work at ports to sometimes they can be compromised. You're going on turns out, blue collar guys who worked near water and Florida. If you would like to give them some walking around money they will do extra things for you. Oh my God. You're kidding. You know, the stacks, and stacks of shipping containers at Florida ports or really any port. What percentage of those stacked sky, high have no illegal connection whatsoever. Nothing illegal inside, no ill-gotten gains illegal money zero percent. Go connection I have no idea number in nineteen seventy four. If you wanted to Greece, some dockworkers palm, I am sure he'd be more than happy to take that thing and put it in another container that was heading for Dubai, and no better place than Florida and no better place than the dock and no better place than the seventies time than the seventy right. We have James Dean doing the PSA. Yeah. So this is the same year he died, right? One more question. Do you have any special vice for the young people who drive take it easy driving? Life might say, might being mind. Yeah. Supposed to be your own where anyway, prophetic don't ever do a PSA. Adema. We want you to do one for cervical cancer. Get the fuck out of my house. I'm clutching my groin yelling out. All right. So the car was never found. And it was taken from Florida and I now everyone is dead. One guy still alive, JJ arms detective that went looking for. We've talked about this guy is JJ arms. No hands. No hands are arms and an action figure made out of him and George barris, whose dad got JJ arms on the case. Course he did. I had this vague recollection as Nate and I were talking about beating out this, this episode of what happened is cars, like o j j arms. Oh, George barris own this car. And then I was like, I think I interviewed him and on car cast in two thousand and ten and he explained like what happens. I'll just play. The late great George barris real character. But again did not only did he do all of the cars that batmobile and the monkey will be on the munsters mobile tenders, the green hornet anytime. They need a car that comes in when you are celebrity, you brought your car to him if you're Lee majors, fair faucet, you brought them, and they made you a custom car for you to imagine. Nice. I know the deal, fine max van you can find some of those cars for later, but it's just crazy. Like every she'll ever just brought him their car. All right. A pilgrimage to barris place here. Sorry. Here is Barra son on car cast from almost ten years ago, the funny part about it. Hey, years after the car was stolen. I had JJ arms a famous international detective sure they made an action doll after the guy had interchangeable arm. Yeah. Conflict part about it is I told him stories, let me investigate. He came back a month. Later says, you know what George, he says that car was not stolen from the truck was stolen before the truck, because he checked away station, all the way cross the United States and never change weight. So that means the car had been stolen from the dock in Florida. So whoever took it, it must be a collector, because it's not hiding it first off, hold on them, reeling criminals, and Florida ever ever heard of such, they're all such upstanding, citizens, JJ arms, by the way, was a detective who was like missing his arms. And they made some kind of TV show out of the dude, and then they made an action figure out of the guy yet, like a grappling, hook and a bazooka. I don't know if he cut his arms off to sell the dolls or if he didn't Vietnam. What happened? It was arms when his young boy firecrackers brew both of his hands, and that's how he lost his hands was for the fire cracker nearly days. And then he became famous he found Marlon Brando's kid he was really very I did a surveillance. Of course. Same wasn't really arms was it? Well that's the name. I. Spell it differently. Now he's still alive. He's gotta be in Florida. Maybe texas. Guys are they're never. They're never in Seattle, there in Florida, Kansas. Right keys. Right. Is born in Texas there. Yeah. What's his loyal name? What's JJ arms, Israel, name, how old is a khanate interview before he dies. And do we have the commercial from his action figure? We have the commercial right here you wanna watch anything. This file this under one more thing. I wasn't going to get when I was nine but I've still intrigued. No, you can play world's greatest investigator with TJ arms, the action figure with interchangeable hands. What today's mission pretend to find my missing atomic warhead changing to such in cups, you can make England of end in chip using hooks JJ signs down hot on the trail now quickly switching to JJ's magnetic, hand, you recover of a missing warhead alert day arms comes with everything you see from ideal while she did. You know, when you watch that commercial that was a real person. I member go in like no. I thought it was like an action figure as. Yeah. Like I figure well what they did is they had evil can even ones but they ran short on hands just like got some show some closer shin Jackson repurpose it. But then I start seeing like, news stories and stuff. And then there was, I think even a TV show if I if I my brain is in two rotted like one of the seventies TV shows that lasted one episode. Owed, or like there was a TV show. And then the real guy was like evil knievel not. I mean evil can even that he he had the same. Here's the same stylist. You know what I mean? Like notion of transportation with taking a Lincoln continental and put inside pipes on it to tone paint, like putting their number and rainbow tape like on the hood like seventy a garish. Elvis, kind of seventy big cover. Investigators writer it's right. Yeah. Like the team when you went to slide under the radar, you get a cut. Try drive like a maniac up down residential streets on two wheels black guy of the mohawk driving governing, her chain was not the guy could have been one of many though. Yeah. Who else on the coal the sack of immediately been able to point to the MP's? Oh, the nine living at the end. Yeah. They're prove my son was almost killed five times by that van when he was walking high on the plane site. Yes. Who would do that if you're, you're something legal? All right. So is there commercial mix man. He was he played the villain in a Hawaii five o episode of star command. Yeah. His name is not JJ arms RJR herald arm. It's. Julian, Julian Armas. Not too shabby Jay and arms on that one too. I like barristers like he was holding firecrackers big ass firecrackers, but anyway. Well, if you have the Hawaii five o clip now he's how old now. He's, he's eighty six years. All right. So anything he's in Florida. We got interview. Well, he would know he would have some insights to that. Plus, I just like to see Dan. That's a guy who's, Dan, you wanna try pot, right? Assigned picture for Marlon Brando saying, thanks. Yeah. There's a there's a Twitter for JJ. I don't know if it's a fine. I'm checkmark, I'm going to bet that he has a sunken, Dan, I stepped down some real, shag real thick shag. Couple of steps down. And we step right into nineteen seventy seven that's what I preserved great colors. Yeah. I bet there's like some, some autograph. There's gotta be some pictures of like Joey heatherton on the wall. What number wife a Riyan for JJ hard to hard to tell? Interesting one. Joey heatherton was like one of these seventies fixtures hot chicks who wasn't really known from one place, but had like the song and the dance and would probably pop up on love boat, all the time, and the great name she oh, we had their ten that name Sam familiarizing, Terry type. Like, like, she's she's known how much question, what for ES, you know, for being blonde and, and being able to regurgitate, I know the navy lines of script, I don't know, find out where Joey, what whatever Joey haven't. All right. I'll tell you about this simply safe. 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Section about breaking down the root causes of California's homeless crisis to find solutions bright and some. Politician cited a number. Yeah. So state, Senator Scott Weiner. Democrat out of San Francisco has pushed to increase housing supply in urban areas, and for digital financial support, the Californians who can no longer pay sky, high rent and his quote is about seventy percent of homeless people have neither a mental health nor and addiction problems seventy percent. Don't know does just regular folk they simply can't afford housing. So it's just the lion share of the homeless people. The people who at night sleep like when you're going down, western and underpass there at silver lake and the person that decides to sleep. And that sort of half a shrub slash dirt. With a cardboard box. There is a person that is only getting thirteen dollars an hour working at Home Depot. And if that person was getting nineteen dollars an hour, then that person would not be sleeping on the ground. I had no idea is that it's a lion. Share of the people. Seventy percent are not involved with drugs or alcohol. Simply not don't make enough money to Ford an apartment. And by the way in this state in the states are pretty big state. I mean, they're places you can go out of Los Angeles, and that rent will drop pretty damn fast inland. It doesn't have to be Carmel, right? Fulton Z's free. All right. So this guy says get that from where she gives at number from, I'm sure he doesn't cite any sources. Now, they are in their in this predicament, because of California's failure to build enough housing at any income level, California, has systematically underfunded subsidized housing for our lowest income residents, those at the bottom of the economic ladder, or at significant risk of being pushed onto the streets. Well, here's the thing about building commercial property's housing of any kind or production of any kind. We. Will either do it here. Or we won't depending on how friendly you are to us doing it here. If you make it fairly easy to do it here, here's the thing about California. Everybody wants to do something in California, all production since everyone lives in the Palisades all the guys all the decision makers live in Malibu, Beverly Hills Bel Air and the Palisades and in Sinoe. They would love to sleep in their own bands every night. They do it here if you make it difficult financially from a regulatory standpoint to do it, then they will get on a plane, thus me driving. Bryan Cranston to Burbank airport so he can go to New Mexico. Bryan, Cranston lives in Sherman oaks, he likes it there. He doesn't want to go to New Mexico for long periods of time enjoys his house in Sherman oaks. But if that's where the money is that's where the money is, what have been nice to film in riverside like they were. Going to people who build commercial units and housing, low income housing or any kind of housing, who I'm sure would love to be in Los Angeles, and do it. But if you make it difficult for them, then they shall not do it. And that then you will have a shortage of production and a shortage of housing. So it's a weird thing to blame the builders just like blaming production, which they don't blame. Well, they do they did blame the production. And they're like, hey, come on. Do the right thing. And then they did that for awhile, and the productions aren't really anything, but a bunch of numbers, just count money, that goes out, and count money that comes in. And so you couldn't tug at their heart strings because they didn't care because they're just a machine that calculates numbers. So at a certain point, they went, okay? We're going to give you a bunch of breaks and they went we're back, right? Well, that's how they do it. So now that we know that's how it works, then go ahead and ease up on some of the regulations and make it a track. Active for the builders to build. Seventy percent. I don't know when this thing got so politicized. I imagine. Your plan. If you're running this shit house is to sort of blame the blame the man, and the man are commercial guys who build stuff. So it's like blame that guy. Don't blame us blame that guy. And if you say that everyone is flopped out in they're all strung out on drugs and booze. That's kind of, on you who runs the city who runs the state, if you blame it on bunch of rich guys who'd rather go to Texas and turn a profit than stay here and do the right thing then that isn't your fault. Also, that is your over regulated it and got them to go. So both roads lead to you. But for some reason, there's a fixation by the powers that be to turn homelessness into something other than what it is like you'll hear Gavin news and the face of homeless. That's not out of work. You know that's not a junkie felon. That's a mom. That's a mom who's refreshed newly divorced. Lost her job, who has to take her famous. It's like. I you could go find that example person exist. But in small numbers and having just freshly comeback from San Francisco, where we walked to and from a venue in a hotel twice every day. These are not down on their luck moms with, with a kid into these were people chasing us with shopping carts, screaming bottles of people. Anybody who knows labor town. You don't have to know you don't have to crunch numbers. You don't see anything when you see a guy slumped over, and it's one in the afternoon, and that guy's in a zone filth and he slumped over and he's leaning against the stucco wall of an underpass, and it sort of hap, one eye open, and one eye shut that's not out of work guy. That's severely impaired drug. Attic guy. By the way, also the reason I'm bitching about this is if you would like to solve a problem. This is not the way to go. 'bout solving a problem when you need to identify what the problem is. What's caused around, then we can solve the problem? This is not a way to solve a problem because there is a very specific way to help that person. And it's not giving him another six bucks. Yes. Who's this lying douchebag politician? Again, this is state Senator Scott Weiner, and the seventy percents thing that feels so oddly specific gift so vague at the same time. Yes, I'm sure means nothing either way. He's a liar. So thank you for helping run the city into the ground. I'll just play the clip of. I talked to Nathan wrench. Yeah that's like a minute half. But it's just meet just going who's anybody homeless who's not on something. What percentage of people in your experience who are homeless were not addicted to something or who has a dicta- to sometime trying to do the math? But if we're including alcohol than say virtually all of them are addicted. So it's like basically one hundred percent of the people are doing something extremely, rare to find somebody who is on the streets, who doesn't have a vice. That's hanging over their head. Did you find anybody in your travels pretty extensive travels and pretty extensive time who was? We have a big homeless situation population in Los Angeles. And there's this sort of this narrative of, like, well, the factory closed down, and the next thing you know, she's living out on the streets and our, he's living on the streets. And I'm like it doesn't feel like just your, you know, you lose your job on a Friday and you're living out on the streets on a Monday. It feels like a whole bunch of stuff now in the homeless world, that, at least that I saw all up and down the west coast. You've got different sort of factions of homeless people different sort of types. I was what they would call street kid. There's also what we call the St Kitts, call home, bums weirdly, which are what normal people call like bums. Okay, I would bunch of hair, and he's talking to self selling oranges or whatever, but there isn't a sect of like oh, here's the people that used to have a job and then the job, you know, the factory closed down, and now they're just homeless. Usually those people have a route through, and that they can go. And get social security. They can get temporary food stamps gas vouchers. They can get all the stuff and get back on their feet. Yeah. Well, also, again, I'd like a gas can be an expert at everything gas fascists. It's, it's my second hand smoke thing, where it's like rob Reiner says fifty thousand American type seconds you go. I've never heard of anyone. I don't know anybody's ever died. I've heard of million diagnoses, and I've heard about this celebrity, or Luke Perry died mislead or whatever, but who side of second, and if you don't if you can't come up with a person, and if you can't picture that homeless person just the GM factory in van Nuys closed down. And this guy worked there for thirty one years in Dow, he sleeps on the ground. Picture that like you're gonna win that guy have friends that he worked with their family car. Yes. I mean I'm not saying everyone is wildly gainfully employed. I'm saying anybody? We know who was not severely impaired, who was not schizophrenic and not taking their meds. Severe drug abuser. Anyone, we know under normal circumstances could go crash on anyone sofa could put up and flayed -able mattress. And someone's garage for a few weeks until they found a job there is that distance between you losing your job, or you being short on funds or the factory closing down. And you physically having a concrete pillow. There's a big gap there in a lot. That's gotta go wrong before you physically get to the straits. They painted as. Has WalMart laid the guy off and then following night. He slept on the sidewalks. I know there's, there's a some phone calls to make how many I know I know ton of people who went back home. I know men and women who've literally at age twenty four just went like I that a problem with drugs or booze or a life kind of was too fast, whatever. Yeah. And they literally just went back to their old room and got their shit together for eighteen months. Hated their parents. Every step of the way, which I love because I was like, well don't move back home, then old oldish person this door. That is open to you for some reason. I always love that when the twenty four year old moves home. Like my dad still thinks he can tell me what to do. It's like, well, the landlord said, take out the trash. You're eating food. And you should be employed in living on your own. But okay, we've all we've all seen that and heard of that. Okay. I've heard of that of her. Getting, I've had, you know, I had I mean look, you wanna get homeless. I mean my best buddy, Chris's dad was going to fucking prison and he, he got dumped out of his apartment like three weeks or month before prison. He calls early admission. Accepting. Yeah, he was treating it. He was out front of the prison like they're dropping the new apple iphone. Wars jealous. Cute up. Graham story now we show look at a one bedroom apartment Ida one bedroom apartment with three dudes and and, and Rick shows up with a box with cowboy boots in the box and Dinty Moore stew, and, and his water bottle any like plops down. And he's, he's sleeping on the sofa. They've slept on the sofa for a few weeks. He crashed at his son's not his son's house, not his son's apartment, his sons friends apartment is where he crashed. My dad got divorced. He went to inlaws out, I slept in Grandpa's office. There's a lotta options and also when the choice is or sleep on the street MO my grandparents. I'm sure hated my dad rightfully so nobody wanted that sack of shit on their sofa less than grandpa did in their one bedroom. One. Through m- eight hundred square foot pile of crap. In north Hollywood. Yeah. Dad, but they still went like, okay. Just flop on the sofa. How are they're still there? Yeah. The story goes that might dad doesn't have any dignity. So his thing is like a while, I'll stay on the sofa long, you'll times, let me stay on this show foot because it's free, but it is certain point at least here, my grandfather say, I think my grandfather I several months like my grandfather, just went like, hey. This is my office. Johnny Carson here at night, any work. Can you gotta get out? You got to find an apartment. I know that your family lacks conventional traditional dignity. Right. But I have wondered before would your mom like Papua for Sunday dinner and be like. Oh, hi. Because that was her family. You're here. She hated. She hated her fame. I guess she hated my dad's so she hated everybody stayed away from that house. She was lukewarm on the cat and other than that, she hated everybody cars, the house circle, don't go here. So, and then she couldn't really, she couldn't cast judgement because she was living in their other house, which was supposed to be a rental property. And she was flopping at for free. So she couldn't go over and cross her arms. And look at Jim and go, oh, what a loser, you're living because they go well, you took up the fucking house. At least I just took up the Dan. Yeah. Well, that's an argument. Yeah. A real couple of Trump's. That's how we grew up like the Trump family between the two of them. They had my grandfather's, Dan. And they had the other shitty house that they owned that being that my grandparents they're zero deeds property. Anyway, whether it was Rick Boehm or my parents, or whomever, they just call. All their pathetic relatives. And by the way, nobody liked anybody. It's not like they liked champs like, well after all Jim has done for us. The least do. Jack squad for anybody, but they're like, okay, just plop on the sofa. And we just told wreck you just bring your Dinty Moore plop on the so funny plopped on the sofa, like people are pretty. Especially it's weird. But the lower the income, and the harder, you have it and like the last bathrooms and all that weirdly the more, tolerant, you are that I think that's true. I got I got seven thousand square feet now and I wouldn't put up with it, but and multiple bathrooms. But back then had no square footage in one bathroom. Let them crash, a very this might as well happened. Today is also like it's already were floating educators, -i. Somebody already took a shit in it. And now this guy's pissing and it's like. With a turt-, and, like, okay. All right. So anyway, seventy percent of homeless turn out, don't have any addiction problems. So it's just that one thirty percent. I if that's the tick is true. Let me put this message out to the seventy percent. How about you ask? Why get your shift together? If you're totally sober, and you're able bodied, and you're just sleeping on a sidewalk use, and get up and see find a job and guy ahead head heading to the inland empire or go find or go to get a southwest ticket to Nebraska and get a job at a textile mill or something walk, and you got time, right? All right. We have JJ JJ arms from Hawaii five o is hook man to man, the play this is nineteen Seventy-three. TV dinner with. Stabbing. Officers accident repeat officers at Ceuta and Keever in car seven. Mike to one two contacts are cider on frequency. Being alone on the Matic. Guns rock of machine guns proudly displayed. Are there any flip story speaks Mexico? He's, he's not a talker show. Just uses hooks a ton. Per up with it with his hook. I guess he was an actor I and then started the physics. The silent film era. LA talkies a longest seen without dialogue. How long was the script nine pages this episode? I thought he would be opening. Laura talking. Don't walk through, gene. No matter with that grabbed scissors now going to cut his hair article. Well, he could have a business where he cut hair. This is all impressive. By the way, he's, he's sizzling. Here's the word. The I, I guess this is just a slow Caballo him in how how desk areas with his able body? All right. Well, anyway, max RAD, if he does say, anything, let us know the hour long episodes co-stars. Oh man. Wow. JJ arms still alive, isn't their credit? Does it very long arms? Yes. Him exclusively nothing but JJ arm just doing everyday household things with to not speaking thinking, considering during there was dating. There is an action figure. It's a crazy. You can't make this stuff up. And he was, it was just one of the run of the mill guest guest stars on a seventy show. Guys. I'm trying to think. We had in the seventies we had these things we first off. We have these sort of human interest, fascinations stories. We had like those incredible people. And those while this whatever's good people like you look at evil knievel evil knievel was probably the most famous person on the planet for maybe a decade. He was known everywhere to everyone on the planet. There was action figures. There was evil knievel, the movie starring George tan guy. Judge? So here's how famous evil can evil is in one stretch. There's evil knievel the movie with a young George Hamilton playing evil knievel. And then there's a movie called Viva knievel starring evil knievel as evil knievel. So imagine there's who movies out. Freddie. Mercury was still alive, and they had MO hime ramp the out. And then another one, he'll Freddie, Freddie, with him out at the same time like that. That's not him famous, so we have these, like personalities or think of Howard Cosell. You know what I mean these big personnels that everybody just knew. Sometimes they didn't even possess a skill like I mean, not a scale but what they weren't actors there were everyone knew Muhammad Ali, but that's a little something else. And then the richest these big personalities and Howard Cosell's Riva knievel's, and your things, and they did stuff, but we were char- house. Yeah, yeah, chara, we're always looking for the next who is this thing that we can all get excited about detective, who was missing his arms named JJ arms. And there were certain yardstick t measure, like, if you got an action figure after you that, that, that meant something if you're showing up on TV shows, and we had all these kind of Friday night shows where they're talking about those crazy, people are the most amazing people when we love these weird human interesting. So I don't know if we're so much that way. Now, maybe the internet is help that or hurt that or there's. Too many names or too many people. I mean saturated how, how many famous people, there was no such thing as a famous person that a whole group of people had heard of when I was a kid. Now, when you go the BT awards, and you start going through all the rappers go, this guy famous, this guy's multi-platinum blah, blah, blah, like, okay, I'll take your word for that. I do not know that name, even if you were foreign, you reach certain level of Palay, or Bjorn Borg, everyone knew who that was back in the day, who knew jussie, small let was before the thing. It's like oh, he's a big star is on empires. It's like nobody. No share of people people watched empire. Didn't know who he was. Right. Right. All right, Lynch, provided a response to me, making fun of him following the band fish which was pretty funny. He tweeted me back. It's. You can go fuck yourself with a P A an apt response. A respectable response. I liked it. I liked it a lot. Comey writer. Yeah. All right. Let's see. We got a clip from Denver comedy, works, what are we got in there? This is you talking about dick picks dick picks. Here we go. I've never taken a dick pic. The ass, you know why you welcome. You ever get a stanch grab? What's the snatch version? We need a name for that. Well, we got a label it something that, right? There's no reason to take a picture my day by took a picture my dick and I sent it to you guys. Go. There you go. Dick. I can't see him before. It's not big. It's novelty about it doesn't have like a dog leg or. Saying trap, or anything just, just dig, like no reason. Taking a picture of my dear it'd be like, if you and your buddy was, like walking down the street you're like. Is that a Camry? We got beige with a cloth interior get over here. By those. Do that shit. Eight thousand got less than ninety on it. Get a shot of this. Reason whatsoever to take a picture of my deck. Although you should wait a couple of beats before you reject my cock, and such a wholesale fashion. I go, I'm not gonna take pictures, you know, you're. Seri- about Dixie elements, a picture year dead. It's true. But let it breathe. Pretend you're thinking about. Picture. Corollas knock. Forget like that. Like you're digesting a little bit said your quick wholesale. Knacks. If my dick. My dick is so plain. Dick was a character in a sitcom. It would be potsy from happy days. Sweet kid in a card again. Do stand next, but we're not gonna spin off series. There were three like hot chick sitting in the front and the head to do that move that hot chicks. Do just like being hot you go. Well, there's a thing where you go, like I was gonna get naked and jump in the pool. But is pleased down thing where it's like okay. Do you have to pretend like first off? Maybe it'd be funny or whatever you don't have to, like, I, I think that I don't take picture my. Yeah. Thank you, like, okay, we get it. You're hot and you have to provide this commentary that lets us know that your hot rejecting my dick, I get it. Wow. But I mean you don't have to do that. But at the end of the day, I do that. There was a three top a hot chicks center front row. There were three hot chicks front row, who had too strenuously pretend like they didn't want to see a picture of my dick, but I knew what the truth pretending. They had to act. They are putting JJ arms level acting. Silent like JJ. Funny. There were checks, max Vanna. Oh, yeah. They're pretty hot. Yeah. He did not miss them. All right. Let's see what do we got here. The walking in our guests are walking. All right. So why don't we take our selves a break, and then we'll come back and chase Rick box who I think I saw at match game with the Alec Baldwin. I saw him. We'll talk to them right after this. The price tag on that. 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Yeah, it's a good. It's a good vibe over there. Isn't it have a little funny type of show you can do they hand you drinks at eight in the morning? Encourage you to get hammered. That's like this is me this, what happens is every commercial break. They just come out hand your new drink. And at the end of your third taping you have no idea where you are. You've been drinking. I said, what if you went to a bar and you ordered a MARTINI and you were just like watching hockey and sipping off the MARTINI? And you were going to sit there for five hours, but someone just kept refilling your MARTINI like how should face the end of that game? Only on one drink. Yeah. You've had one. It's bottomless bucket of drinks. So let's talk about just how big this gaming has gotten and the teams I know you guys are team owner and the notion. Or can we say owner Rick Rick is? Yeah. I'm on Eastport professionals organizational owner and my my dream and passion was at some point after I retired from official sports was to maybe find my way into ownership in a pro NBA team. But it it may be a reverse plan here because I got into sports ownership through east sports which is professional video game play at the highest level. Let's talk about how big it is internationally Christmas. Telling me, basically, the Super Bowl was second only to the Super Bowl of for bowl of e sports, can you explain that? Well, you know, every year we you'll come across the NBA finals or World Series Super Bowl. Major globally sports events rival, those none. Numbers in media, and, and the in China alone against the world championships legal legends. They sold out the whole Olympic stadium of a hundred thousand people. So you're getting the type of attendants type of viewership numbers that very quickly now have garnered the attention of sponsors and fans alike as this generation's desired choice of celebrating competition. Well, you know, I as you're as you're describing this, I'm saying, shocked faces on the other side of. Let me sort of put a theme around it. What's happening in why? Suddenly, you know, you're hearing so much more about this. Everyone's been playing video games for a long time. They've been around for since the arcades, right? But everything's always been focused on the video game as the point of interest. And what started to happen with streamers and all this stuff. Is it starts to matter who's playing the game? And when the minute you start focusing on the people who are in the activity that becomes far more interesting too far. More people are just, you know, and so that gives rise to e sports and, and, you know, people personalities like ninja who he had on Ellen or what have you. And so it's really exciting to be sort of part of that. And Rick actually was part of the catalyst, where you have a professional NBA accomplished player coming into this space and saying, hey, the activity over here is similar to what I did over there. And I remember when you went on the view and they just laughed at you. When when you took a very. Very controversial stance at the time that they were actually athletes. Well, can we anyone was allowed to say that it would be, you know, to anything anymore, like Brian says who knew LEGO the movie was going to be such so huge as a great movie such a great franchise lay goes? No. I am on its face may started off, you know, tank Abbott and he's fighting dumpster. Losing, and losing, he's losing to dumps there like it was, like, come on. And now the biggest thing ever, like we're not in a position to poo poo, any idea, any more, because it's all potentially good. I mean it doesn't guarantee anything but you can you can no longer go that will never work, you could be entertained that at the end of the day is I think why people are tuning in. They were entertained as players of the game, they grew up playing video games they've evolved, we've evolved to generation. Now that won't be told put down the controller and get out of the house because if they do that they just play on their phones. So the technology's advance the access to viewing this technology through streaming platforms advanced. And so, I think just as a whole. Evolution is taking us to a point now where in sport this generation that have played video games see that as their form of competition that they want to express themselves through that they want to chase a career in whether it's in competition or whether the coach journalist analysts the person covering it the physical therapy, you know, person that's working. Whoever it is all of those career paths really parallel any traditional sport, France, you know, experienced sorry, I will say that I came up in the Nintendo second Genesis EROs, beg in my life is young, you know, ten to twelve year old or whatever the air was. And of course, it was more fun to play the games. But there was something very cool. Even like you know, the Neo geo streetfighter era, like seeing the older kid in the neighborhood could just kick ass. And like you kind of watched an all like oh, you could do that he could do that. Like there was kind of a cool thing to watch courses more fun to play. But there was something cool about watching, what was real interesting about what you're saying is you go to an arcade. And you'd see people playing. There was actually a physical limitation of how many people could gather around the machine to see it. Never really got a sense of how many people might be interested in watching it just because of that limitation. But the minute people could start to stream their game play and anyone could watch it. Well, now you're actually seeing how many people in the world. Actually are interested in scenes that time affair. And to talk about this being new. I mean, the documentary king of Kong is something that we all have enjoyed this has been going on for a while the other thing I never really thought about, but you're when you're talking about playing in the Olympic stadium. I did, I think about all these big venues and all these big venues like Dallas stadium has a huge Jumbotron hanging from the middle the place and you do feel kinda stupid buying a ticket sitting down at the fifty yard line nine rose back and then staring up at the Jumbotron because there's a facsimile of that going on on the field. So it's kind of weird, whether it's a concert or whatever it's kind of weird. When you're you find yourself in a suite at the dodger game. And your back is turned to the field and you're staring at the screen above the bar. But this actually is made to be watched on a screen like you don't if you go to see one of these events you don't feel guilty for not looking down. I guess I'm picturing it as a as a. Sporting event, you know, that's a really good thought. I don't really think about that so much because I'm a pure video gamer. Right. So, so the idea of going watch sports is sort of a little more foreign to me in terms of, you know, it's natural for me to want to look at a screen, but I having been at these events. There is an added element of seeing the players sitting there sweating it out, the, the subtle interactions that go on between the two teams that are literally sitting side by side, there is more there. But yes, there's no guilt in, you know buying your ticket sitting in the seat staring at a giant Jumbotron, Rick every every weekend in support of our team. And it is grown on me. And really when I think back to what really I bit me. With excitement was an experience at Madison Square Garden in two thousand fifteen where I went to witness a North American championships legal legends. And I walked into an arena tonight played in for years in my life hundreds of times, and it was sold out. The energy was electric the fans were feverish the merchandise. Sessions every everything you get from experience of going into a sporting event, or a concert was there. And, and I watched for five hours and enjoyed myself and it was in that moment that I ran into to Adam silver, who was Commissioner of the NBA, they're experiencing it trying to digest what this was himself. And I asked him, I said, what is it about this event that you're here, you're the NBA Commissioner, and he said, Reckitt goes at the end of the day, they're filling arenas, I had thirty owners who own arenas, and so very shortly. After that he created the E sports division in the NBA just to explore and understand where this was going, and then a year later he started to k league and you have the NBA involved with two K E sports competitions where they draft players. NBA teams own sports, you know franchise within their organizations. And now you have the NHL looking at it. And if everyone is now you know, evolving to this place where they're actually incorporating that into revenue model of their their business. If you're Adam silver, you don't want to run into Rick Fox, I can tell you when I did dancing with the stars. And I had to stand in between Jason Williams. I think we'll see the and for. Taylor. By the way, you guys should have some sort of competition, Rick you thought you're pretty. I mean, we've have the over six six caramel division guys in the senior crew, or whatever division with their is I dunno. 'antonio Bandera step. I can't remember that guy section city. There was that guy. And there was looking. Between those guys like a fucking pig doorstop like there. No, that's accurate. Those guys were so got damned good looking, and there were so tall and they're so crazy that you don't normally feel that bad. You hang out with cousin, Sal mix and short. And they're dumping their ball and everything you stand in between us guys, you feel you want to kill yourself ever blind. And you know, Adam silver's, not easy on the eyes is what I'm saying. We would go run into a Rick. Kinda get a buffer in between you two. Jeff Ross Jeff arousal stand with green, Jeff tell. Tell Adam between that. No silver. No. Because he's without being without being fat. He's unattractive is, is you get. He's weird looking he's like eighteen next to Elliot. Right. All right. Who did I do that? The guy was like the guy was like, Toro delph way go or something who put pen Gillette in between you guys. You gotta find a good one. Of Jason's on the right. Got to find a good one of that guy. Didn't he should of Gucci one? Right. Oh. You're saying in the over six five caramel colored Chris vision. So you guys are on full like football, you know rock. To be real logs real tough to tell who's easier on the eyes. All right. So this thing is, what is a guy like. I think my son was telling me that ninja made like eleven million dollars or volunteers, nineteen million bucks right up with the top professional athletes in the world. This is good for you. And I'll tell you why. Because we grew up with our fucking moms, and grand-mom's going that guy gets ten million dollars. Take up ball and drop it through he hits a ball with a stick. We millions of dollars. Well, now they can shut the fuck up because this nineteen million bucks for playing joystick in front of a computer. We at least the guy with the basketball is burdensome calories. He's doing the thing. They stop doing. That's right. But those games down, there's no such thing of telling again, you can't say what won't work. No, I can't tell my son. That's a horrible idea when he says, I want to end the blind get scholarship for it. They're definitely doing that. Now, the other day mastery, you know, celebrating mastery or watching it or wanting to understand. It is actually interesting. What is I agree? I think we are perfectly capable of just going who's the best at anything it could be passed fishing. It doesn't it doesn't matter. We will champion what does a guy on your team like how do you pay your guys in some cases of money? You know, we've had players that we've had to let go that. If wanted, you know, seven figure contracts. So the, the average salary, I think, in a legal legends, one of one of our franchise games. Right now is I think the average is three fifty three hundred fifty thousand with the high end being one to one one point two million. Can you walk us in economics, because is it all prize money? You're taking. Short at this one. We're novices so walk through the how, how does eighteen make a lot of money and dust pay its players? Well, you know, depending on the game that's being played the economic shift a little bit. I'll talk about a special one in a second. But in something like league of legends the, the, it's all based on how many people are watching and cooking. So it's very similar model to, to normal sports in that, if you got a lot of a team that's got a lot of fans and a lot of people viewing it, they can make more money. So in so you have teams that will pay their players salary, certainly if the team wins, there's prize money that the publisher of the game might award to the league one second, hit with a lot of people watching to make money off that these are you running an ad or something in the bottom of the so similar to some really? We, there's merchandising, right? And but with publishing rights, you know the in game owners became owners can actually share revenue of in game items. Okay. So you're talking about not only you, are you selling merchandise out on the streets. You can wear a t shirt, you can buy, plus she or some type of doll, you can actually buy that same item in game. You can't have it in your locker in your account or whatever. Well revenue split with team owners because we as a team our have paid franchisees to be in this league and for that we're in agreement partnership with the publisher and we share revenue, what, what countries excel who are the top dogs, I don't know. I think of it sort of like soccer, there's just some countries taco other it depends on the game. But you'll definitely get a lot of high end players out of South Korea as an example, part of that, just relates to the culture that general culture of. South Korea in terms of how acceptable it is to play video games. So elebrate it's celebrated far more than in, you know, other countries are lagging behind, but they're getting there, so that encourages more participation, more money involved more. So you got a real lot of really, really good players coming out of South Korea. That's for sure. Yeah, you can get in the case of Doda prize pool. And dodo was I think twenty one million. Well, so I was gonna talk about that, so Toda which is the, the short version of defender of the arena defender of it's a game. It's very similar to legal ages. One of the things that the publisher does is they create a special item at leading up to a big event that you can purchase as a player of the game. It's an Ingraham item so it's like a special t-shirt, your character can wear as an example. Right. And they'll charge twenty dollars for that. Well, there's millions of players of this game and almost like the all wind up buying it that turns into forty fifty million. Dollars of sales of that item and a huge percentage of that of that revenue goes to the winner of the event. So that's why you can see particularly Doda very large prize pools. Right. In the crowdfunding kind of fashion. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess if you think in terms of sports, you think, well, God, I seems like football's kind of trailing off because none of the parents want their kids out there, making the contact and have the head trauma, and baba blah. So you look at a sort of, let's look at the twenty year chart go. We'll nobody's playing pee wee football. Like I, you know, when I was a kid, everybody played pop Warner peewee, whatever contact tackle football. And now in my neighborhood, none of the moms, and none of the kid, by the way, it's not. The mom's not letting the kids, the kids are full blown pussies. Do they're like, I'm not gonna do that my son, by the way, what are you going to do with your brain? Come on. I've seen your brain at work. It's nothing special. We work in a car wash, you know, but like I'm not doing that. So the kids aren't doing it. The parents don't want him do it. Nobody wants to do it. I don't know where the next, you know, NFL always going to be huge. But if you sort of, we're looking at twenty year prediction, if you're not having a bunch of guys, come up, if everyone knows neighborhoods, aren't putting on those helmets and running around. It's gonna fact the game I video gaming it's going the other direction in everybody plays something. Right. And a lot of people don't consider themselves gamers, but they sit there on their phone tapping away at whatever crush, or whatever. Right. And clash royale, so, you know, I think a lot of interesting opportunities, going revolve for players of all, kinds, and certainly, the, the youth that you have this thing where there's a whole social aspect to the games that you're playing participating in the community. You know, you have a parent who sit there and see their kid in the locked in a room for twelve hours a day and think. Things being antisocial when, when, in fact, he or she is actually talking to hundreds of people super socially more than their parents ever did. Right. And they just don't know that the that that's taking place. So I, I would I would definitely say that the future is bright because it beyond just a sports leads to other careers. Side note or something somewhat connected, but dry, I felt like drone racing was up in growing for while and I saw a lot of that on, like ESPN three and stuff. And I don't know where that's at the drones like the race in inside the Coliseum and stuff like that. Thing naked secure. You know you start to see it probably in the summer in the off season. You'll start to see more drone racing on TV again or somewhere, you'll you'll it'll pop up I went to the Olympic form in lasagna about a year ago. Now where they did their first ever e sports forum so that the Olympics and the sports community coming together and understand what the future of video games, and he sports might have in connection with the Olympic Games and, and in that we met all the different two hundred federation heads that were heads of federations for different sports. Whether it's sailing, whether it's, you know, basketball, it didn't matter what it was. They were all there, and they were sharing a ready their plans for their e sports expression as pertains to their, their vertical of sport. Under the pick umbrella right now. The Olympics will be having shoulder content around the gains that have an e sports, you know. Into it, and eventually, I'm sure decide whether or not to included in the games or to create their own e sport, global games, which is they have to use games or limbo. Right. So I think that's where they're probably thinking ahead to but to your point drone racing. I spoke to a lady. That's a head of the drone thing. You know, you know, I name is Joan every. I spoke to her. They have skiing have ever skiing sports, which is more virtual reality. They something that's kind of interesting is taken the Paralympics or some other the Olympic Olympics, where like people might not have the use of their legs or their function, you know, wheelchairs, and whatever, and connect that to some of this virtual stuff because obviously, you don't you can be confined to a wheelchair and still kick. Some ass out all the battle. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. The president of the Olympic mission Thomas Bach. His he's trying to wrap his mind around some to which you saying, how do I incorporate video east video games into the Olympics? When it's very it's not him yet physical enough event. Right. And then he put on the VR goggles and did the boxing simulator and took him off. It went, okay? I think this is the way in at some point where you have virtual reality playing a role in eastbound. Well, the other interesting point about this. Eastport stuff is, it's genderless men, women got goes, they all compete in the same thing. There's nothing there's that doesn't have to be the men's division is your. I mean, there's no wait division. There's no men's soc. It's really accepting. And it's also sort of controversy for a because now there's all these things were that the woman is transitioning, the man transitioning to woman and now she's taking. Record for the hundred yard dash, but then the women are pissed. Right. But then they can't get past because they're gonna call haters. You know, there's a weird it gets a little murky and, and there is none of that anymore. There's, there's just how good are your eyes and how good your brain are there any based on the results? Are there any differences between male and female competitors methods more just because men are more drawn to games boys are, but, like, are their results wise like the same percentage of women do wells as the percentage of men does that make sense? I would say it's hard to get that measurement for a couple of reasons. One is our overall culture, does not doesn't encourage a lot of female participation. Right. And so you get narrowed numbers that, that way. And also because there's a lot of anonymous sort of gameplay women will come into. Video game environment. You know, guys will be very, very harsh with each other, especially if they're anonymous very lock Quinton, very, very blocked room. And so a woman comes into that environment, it is not she subjects all of that, too. So a lot of people don't want to be in that. So it's getting there where, where there's, you know, better behavior and all that sort of stuff. But frankly, there's no reason at all that a woman can not be at the top of the video game food chain versus a man. There's, there's literally no reason at all other than whether they have the interest to do, so the we have a clip, of course. Rick three times three Peter with the with the Lakers. Famously Jay she must have played. Where'd you play? Okay. See, I'm I'm, I'm. I'm a favor. I look like I should. Seven or eight four two on the longest I'm not. I got about of the basketball court. I'm one hundred percent. Video game player from the let me to really cut you. When I'm Rick they call him five. I didn't even know who he was. I thought he was I knew him from the TV series is. He played Jacksonville you. I didn't know him about lake like none of that stuff. So. Right. But you faker but you understand if you are six eight how tall I'm six seven six eight something like that. And you Bill. Well, jas hall Chand's like if you're making up a movie where you have a blue chip looks to come up who's gonna get first crack at chase hall. Please high-near lay Cleese cast, Nick Nolte. He got to play with career. He had to play against cream Abdul Jabbar. She was it was it was awful. He just like, you know you in business. I'm in the video game business, I was running at the Time Warner brothers, interactive entertainment. We go over to someone's house. He's got a built in Lakers basketball court part of his house, and so were there and they're like, hey, that's all play basketball. They look at me like you guys go you obviously can play. So we start trying to play an N walks Kareem Abdul Jabbar in his friend or something. And they're like, hey cream. Why don't you play with us? And since I was the tallest time I had to guard Kareem. It was it was he the Ellen in like his elbow was permanently planted in the center chest. People story to have Jay, I've played for the Lakers, played NBA basketball fourteen years, I didn't get to play with or against cream job ever in my life. Then you didn't taste the sharp elbowed that was would be constantly pressing. You're saying to your chest. He I couldn't do anything. I'll be trashed octa called them Lou. I'm surpri- did. Did did. He was moving. It was good. This was this was just like maybe two thousand and seven someone on there is. But also, you can't hang around the Rick. Fox, the problem is seem like a team. Yes, I like a faker. I'm ugly friend. That's the faker. The we have a clip of the Commissioner talking about moving away from the term owner, it's ironic that Ricksen ownership. How we liked the term owner. But there is let's see what he has to say. This all just went down the other day. So I thought, well, good timing. Here we go. Moving away from that term owner I do. I don't want to overreact to the term, because as I said earlier, people end up with themselves into knots waiting for the word on we moved away from that term years ago. We, we call our team owners governor team alternate governors. But so I think it makes sense said, I, I don't want to overreact he'll find the word throughout memo's with over the past decade in the NBA, but I I'm sensitive to it. I think. Teas are moving away from the term. We'll stick with using governor. Did you feel governor Jerry boss, the owner, the Lakers, could you feel the tension, wreck back in the down, Dr bus was, I think the greatest owner I've ever known and, and potentially could have been in the NBA. He was just great. He feel like he owned you I felt I felt I felt like the Lakers owned me if you feel like. This is what I'm saying. I don't think he should call himself Commissioner that has overtones like Commissioner, Gordon and Batman police Commissioner. What about all the poor Brown and black, people that are incarcerated day stays is this guy should be calling Commissioner. I don't like it threatening also. Also, it has over Tigres that he should grand wizard. Adam silver, should call himself something other Commissioner to me, owner and Commissioner makes is much like if you're gonna make an argument for owner, then I'm gonna make an argument for a commission now. Governor. Okay, go, go. We're both governors. Are you govern the governor's governor governor governor governor governor governor? But there's also an English version of governor. Got. Whatever code for blow job is yes. Indeed, mary. Poppins. That's what that means. Then you may start sweeping caliph Reggie list chimney. All right. Let's see little piece of business here, and then we'll take a break, and we'll do some news. Castrol edge, you can tweet us at Adam Corolla show with your hashtag Castro challenge with your questions for cash real challenge brought to you by Castrol edge formulated with fluid titanium technology reduces friction engine performance and help center before it's times, three times stronger viscosity breakdown leading full synthetic. What are you got mex- better Aaron road. Hashtag casual challenge. She says, I don't have a Twitter account. But she emailed us asking them to explain why IMSA and llama racing is always prototype in GT cars racing. Samll tain. He's clearly the prototype. Cars are much faster and have to continually pass the GT cars. What's the point? Well, I don't think they wanna do to. Twenty four hours of Lamont. They don't want to be the forty eight hours Lama, so they let everyone go at once they've always done it that way, but they divide by class or no. They stink. They divide they divided by class, in terms of who wins GT class wins the prototype class, but when they're on the track everyone's just racing and the guys in the prototypes, are hauling aunts. And the guys in the GT's are going fast. Fully built corvette racecar fully built nine eleven Porsche fully built for our of three four eighty eight whatever. But you, you really get an appreciation for the prototype when they hit them all on straight, and the guy just flies past him in the prototype. And that guy's driving the fastest car in GT that you've ever seen. That's part of the challenge is like, how do you negotiate these slower guys out there? I think the biggest problem comes in when the two prototypes are racing. And the one prototype makes it past the GT, and then they start setting up for the corner and the other guy in the prototype doesn't want the slower guy in between them because he's going to take off if you've got now you gotta pass that slower guy. And so a lot of guys will push it to try to stay on the tail of the fast guy, the racing with and not let the slow guy who still going fast get in between them, and that's that's racing. Can I ask a question you mentioned the MAs classes, what, what? Oh, twenty four hour. Large class you go. Fair question. Once you get the twelve hours of Seib ring, you go see section. I did their gaming guys. All guys. The hand look through a screen. Oh. Oh, rain. Actually just beat a pro. Or now they've done. They're now doing a thing. That's right. I think at Loma and other versions of endurance racing where it's like a three man team, and they are taking one gaming guy and putting the gaming guy in the real car he's had so many countless hours on the simulator at Loma or Spar or or Daytona or whatever the track is few got five million hours going around a track. Virtually but everything, and I've talked I've talked to the I mean I've gotten into gotten into it with the forts guys before. I mean every pebble every tree every crack and the road when those guys they're detail. It's no longer. You know, stick figure Fred Flintstones. It's like you're in that the seats vibrating the cars, the wheels move, and so you get a guys a million laps at Loma. And then you get a you know, he has to get acquainted with the. Equipment, but you, you get the practice and those cars are video games. Now. I mean the steering wheels. And it's not what it used to be, then this guys could go out and do that. Yeah. I bet they could do the same thing in a fighter jet agree. Why do we have simulators for pilots? Into the whole thing, why have pilots and we're getting the well. If you're a drone shutdown down over. That's right. I was an automated, right with some piloting it automated. Well he lost that race. That's. Joan about that. I don't know. I just be nice for name is Joe droning Joan. All right. We'll take a. Yeah. Look into that max, Pat. Or what was it? Let's see. I think at Lamont. I think some team talk. Well, look where we go. And of course, we're going here. You don't have to. It's not daredevil shit anymore where you're not shifting and flying by the cedar pants. It's a space. You're in and whoever can operate the spaceship better, not the crop duster. But the, the spaceship future kind of guy sat in that cockpit for million hours going around that track. It's going to have an advantage. I mean. Back in the day, when Paul Newman showed up to do Lamont, and seventy nine. He add a few days to learn the track. Like he had to go learn track. I mean, he could look at a chalkboard with the drawing of the track on it, but he had to go learn the track. It takes a while. All right. Let's take ourselves our minds. Are we about to go to break? We'll take a break. We're going to get kicked out. No. Okay. Because I just wanted to to, you know promote our. Oh. Podcast. Oh, yeah. We'll pour about it. Okay. 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3X NBA Champ Rick Fox, Game 7's, And S8E5 The Bells. GoT Recap.

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3X NBA Champ Rick Fox, Game 7's, And S8E5 The Bells. GoT Recap.

"On today's part in my take. We have to game sevens. We have Steph curry going drew Carey's to carry us. You don't like it. When I when I try to pronounce I'll give a fuck we have Seth curry going carries against the Houston Rockets in front of your girl. Danny will do game of thrones recap. At the end. We have Rick Fox in-studio. Very interesting interview with Rick Fox whose back of the week and a Monday reading a pact part of my take for you before we get all that though. It's time to talk about the cash card from the cash app. The number one finance app in the app store for a reason the cash card is the most powerful debit card in the world and the only debit card with Busse a money saving feature. You can't get anywhere else because the cash app invented it. Just let to boost in your cash app. Swiped. The cash card and save ten percent or more at whole foods shake shack, AAA Chick-fil-A Domino's and coffee shops. If you wanna go Ganic without paying for it safe. Ten percent on. 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Leonard is a mother fucking killer his killer, and he showed emotion after the game to which was crazy. He hit that shot. The quadruple Doisneau bounce bounce bounce bounce were remixed two baskets. Listen, I'm not going to a little problematic. I'm not going to twist the knife here. But not so funny when you lose on doing Philly. No, not so funny. Yeah. Quiet Leonard is that dude. Unreal. Game game seven. We have to game sevens to get to. We're going to get to game of thrones. At the end. We have Rick Fox pack show will start with the one that that ended the last and that was the Toronto Raptors finally beating the curse of LeBron because lebrons in the west and taking down the Sixers, and quite Leonard is unbelievable. It was great. It was awesome ending to. I think the least entertaining. Overall series because it just went back and forth back and forth back and forth. This is the first like really really close game. And the end was just incredible because he hit that front rim and hit the outside of the front rim shooters, and it somehow carried the moment like the ball curved in mid air. I'm going to go back and do zapruder analysis of this because there had to be a second shooter. Yeah. Way that this ball just like managed to defy the laws of physics eventually land. That's the shot that your dad hits in horse and he's like shooters bounce. That's fucking bowl. Yeah. It's not a real thing. Just have old week. Must Nelson Paul spins. Gotta get high the high arc. Yes. Gotta get the hierarchy and hope that the the rims are nice to you. So quiet Leonard unreal game. The big question though, will there's a bunch of questions coming from this game. Because that was actually the coolest moment is the balls in the air, and like maybe four or five people's destiny is just hanging in the balance because Jimmy Butler James Butler Jimmy showed up tonight. Well, he had that big lip at the end to tie the game. So that quite could rip their hearts out. Tobias Harris free agent rep Brown, maybe the worst possessions of ever seen the team Ron down the stretch Philly. I think he they had three shot clock violations. Ninety eight last two and a half minutes. That's tough. When you're the coach that is really tough to do. And it's really tough to not be able to drop one single play co. I will he be like, ooh, that was awesome. I wanna stay in Toronto longer. We'll how does that work with Canadian dollars? Are they worth more? I know on the back of books used to buy no mentor school. It always looked like the books worth more in Canada. Right. Because have printing. Have printing looney Luna strong. But but all these questions now arise because of one, you know, ridiculous bounce off of a rim and the raptors now go to the Eastern Conference final and feel like, hey, this is a good quite trade was worth it, regardless. We've gotten a little bit further, and guess what? For the first time ever. All those Canadians standing in that plaza didn't cry on livestream. Yeah. It was good to see that. They like the launchers were out the posters. We out how big of an asshole. Do you have to be to carry a poster to an event where you're all standing outside looking at a giant screen? Yeah. Beholding it up you're blocking the entire view of the person. Very what I'm happy for Canada. The, you know, it's this time of year that they usually are just heartbreaking like drowning in their tears and maple syrup because the Leafs are out the flames are always usually out like all their house. All their all their hockey teams are out in the raptors have usually just lost at this point. Yeah. It's it's a foreign territory for them to have things to look forward to. And I'm very glad that they do. Okay. So another big question we have. So we have the destiny of those people the free agents the coach for the Sixers the process quite thing in Toronto the other big question coming out of that game in bead sobbing sobbing. Fair foul. I loved it. Yeah. Has impede is that it would be weird. If Ben Simmons sobbed, it'd be weird of Jimmy Butler sop, but Embiid feels like the guy who wears his heart on a sleeve, he talked shit. He when they lose. It's heartbreaking like I actually appreciate when someone talks a lot of shit, and is very emotional guy. And then when they lose he feels out emotion. Not like, oh, whatever I'm just going to go back to tweeting funny things he was heartbroken a little bit. So the crying on the court. I was all in for the cameras catching him in the hallway. I don't know if you saw this his girlfriend, wiping. Tears off his is that felt like a little intrusive. How this moment how tall girlfriend? She's got to be very very tall to reach his is. Yes, it was. Well, he was kind of laying got his crying ladder that they never. To be taken care of little intrusive by the camera. It is a little bit. But I mean every other part of Joel has been hurt to series. So now as feelings are too. But it's good to like, I do like athletes showing motion in games. Like, it's good to know that they care, you know, as much as some of the fans, sometimes that's that's like it makes him so much easier. Route for if you're Philly right to see the fact that he to experiences real pain at this. And it was already teen. And he's just like it was already teamed. Fuck. No. I don't think. So. All right. I'm gonna work on the off season. It was always his team. But now, it's even more. So because of white what you just said the emotion that he shows Phileas one of those writer die cities where they want their players to care as much as they do and Joel beat cares probably more because he probably cried more than most fans after that game. So it was I'm all in on Joel Embiid showing emotion specifically because he is that type of guy I have a question for you. I am always a little bit hesitant to like really go full in. On the city. Philadelphia. Love philly. I think that they have some of the best most passionate sports fans that's fun teams to fund personalities. I'm just kinda glad that this is like a reality. Check for Philly where it's like going when they got Jimmy Butler. They're like we're going to fuck and win every champ. And they got Bryce, and they're like we're going to win every championship in every single sport possible as like, okay, maybe maybe next year. But by question for you is with this Sixers team, they're very very good. They're young. Do you make like solid moves in the offseason? Are is this a case where you just let the core of the team get older? Well, I if you're the Sixers I you have to basically say we have to do everything to build around. Joel Embiid and that includes not playing him like during the regular she he needs to go on the bron- minutes. He needs to go on he's big time load management. Maybe take a couple of weeks off in the middle of December. He needs to do all that stuff because it's clear that he is their team. And as he goes, they go put your it is drew like the Sixers are kind of in a spot where it's like. I think you can probably re-sign Jimmy Butler until why Harrison let's just run this back. I don't think Brett Brown is the guy because I like I said three shot clock violations. I think one of might have been a block on Jimmy Butler. But it also just like an old alcoholic cop at the end of his career. He's on one of the guys from the wire that accidentally fires his gun. And there's also like a long history of of sports coaches who have to coach the young team and then pass it off to an old head to bring them to the promised land. So feel like that's kind of what the situation here's d did a good job with a young team bringing them along. But when you lose like they did last year and then lose this year. I feel like you have to change at least something otherwise you're just running it back again. And it feels like it might just be the exact same thing. Just maybe, you know, maybe one round more. But the goal is to win a championship. That's the process. I think it's just like it's a house plant that you're taking very good care of. And you're like one day, this will bloom and this will get, but I think they've got clear. Enough talent to make the east. I hope it doesn't fit. I could see the Sixers giving the bucks run for their money if they'd won this. But now it's gonna be really interesting to see how Toronto shows up against my box. They also have one of those classic situations where you know, you get all this talent. But then you look at the if you look at the game seven guys played they had no bench. They had no bench. Same with actually the wrath seven guys played I love when whenever we over hype a bench during the regular season. It's like when it gets to the crunch time. You're probably gonna play seven gotten. And maybe there's a couple of teams that have eek is maybe a ninth guy who can throw in. But like for the most part, you're shortening to seven guys, and you better hope those seven guys can all fit and everything works together. And the Sixers feel like a ton of talent and everything's just a little tiny bit off. But either way I I want I wanted to share one of Magic's tweets showed a lot of emotion. Guys, a lot of emotion for this, quiet, Leonard. Wow. Wow. Wow. Holy shit. Four control goes in one shot to win the game for the raptors. That's and. Then. But then he went back. He's tweeted that and then when exa- right back to old magic. So it was like a moment where he blacked out. He went right back to quite Leonard played like a superstar scoring forty one points in a game seven victory over the Sixers. Yep. Goes back report in the box. I was close. He's like if quiet Leonard was retired. Yes. Oh that was really close. All right. So the other game seven blazers Nokes our guy CJ McCollum with the heavy hang shoving it down. That's actually too graphic shoving in Jennifer's face. The I'm trying Jennifer from last year when she said just win a playoff series. He had how many points is. He ended up having thirty thirty seven thirty seven all the nerds went on blast. Even though it didn't really make sense because he was shooting high-quality shots. But he did it with like basically amid ridge game. Yeah. And it was. People battling the nerds being like see the mid range. Trump's shot is still alive. Right. And then and then the nerds are like, wait. But actually, that's not what analysts say they say. If you're good mid range. Jumper jump shot shooter and the end of the game. When everyone gets shitty, you should keep taking those. And also the best shot in the game is always an open shot. No matter where. Yes. And seems like there's maybe a little little trigger are nerds become a new job the nerds trying to stuff Jackson to lock stays. They're doing a little well turns out man Olympics going one on one with a guy in his step back. Fourteen footers game. Yeah. You'll Michael Jordan. Yeah. Bush wasn't a push off. Did they call it? The the nerds though have been put on their heels a little bit. They're doing. They're like updating their stash sheets their spreadsheets saying, well, actually that was actually a great shot. And I don't care CJ. Mccollum was awesome. He basically carried their team because it was very weird Damian Lillard, look, I he had he got he got the James harden flip. He. Looked like he was outta gas. And basically like, I don't I can't do it in this moment. Yeah. I'll say this about Damian Lillard his two winners. Chin have you ever seen that thing? He's just if I'm doing the old school just like facial recognition like disguise a winter. This guy's not Damon. Leonard's got he's got a winner's face. He's got you know, what he's got. He's got a video game face. Like like you pick face number six all time video game face. Ben, Gordon number one video game face in the world. Like he his his face looked like it was from video game. Because of the very very no the angles were kinda sharp trying to fuck them know his phones. Yeah. It's strong jaw you just eyebrow rolling over like, okay? I'll take face number eleven happens to be Ben Gordon, but this was a huge come up for podcasters having CJ do that. We're we're now very cool because you know, one of our brethren shown that he is the clutch, gene. And he dropped. This Kanter went right to Twitter, and then CJ McCollum went right to Twitter. He gave the old defense my ass defense at the end of the game. This is the new millennials ruin everything back in my day. They would just go to the locker room and FOX them chicks in the sauna like magic. We know CJ said defense my. Yeah. I know I'm saying now nowadays the kids they win a game. And they go right to Twitter shit talk. Yeah. Like Baker Mayfield family. No should be actually texting reporters. I love that stuff. You get to hear from them right away. Yeah. It's way better shoutouts cancer though for winning this. He played I think the entire series while he was fasting for Ramadan. Yup. Hank learned a lesson today. He was like, wait, wait Kanter doesn't drink water during games, you only. Did it today? All the other games are at night. Now, some of some of them were well, but still fasting but at night, you don't do, but he was still fasting day of the games real challenges this one he couldn't drink while. He was playing a game. But yeah, he wasn't. Drinking. He got in touch with chemo allies one earlier this week to ask him for tips. My ignorance was that I didn't realize that fast drink water, so your fault. Because like if you are if you are age, you remember who came lies on doing it in the nineties, and it was always so crazy 'cause it was like that was the big story be playing in the playoffs and just not eating drinking. Yeah. Knows one thing. Like, they said he woke up early three o'clock made sure got all the protein and nutrients that made ten point. It's like he doesn't drink water throughout. The course says mind was sharper that yeah. I'm gonna stop trick. And what Odell Beckham doesn't drink water either. Sure. He's he hates it. So it's water so much. He gets on a boat to avoid being in it. Yeah. Exactly. So we have Seth curry verse Steph curry s the Western Conference finals who they ruined for who the parents going to cheer on. They're gonna do the split jersey. I don't think it's one of them. Should I wanna trials at one should for the other because one he's not gonna win? So you could be like rooting for you and to he's gonna throw his mouthpiece achy. If if you. Cheer against them. Yeah. And everyone talks about staff known talks about Seth also sucks that his name. Seth like, it would be cooler if his name was something that didn't like doing the s s and you're the lesser of the S's careful with assess atmos- true. But you here is your back your back. That's that's always tough. But so we have Seth curry for Steph curry, and the rockets are officially dogs de- de- dead for the rockets. Ed, how about how about that ultimate Vince young game from Steph curry where he just chilled out in the first half and went to off fuck on the second. How many points they have in the fourth third. Yeah. Twenty-three in the fourth thirty three for the game zero at halftime. Unreal. And clay was also unreal. But it was it was fun watching the warriors like be underdogs like that. And have everyone doubt him and it felt like two thousand fifteen all over again member when people actually rooted for the warriors in two thousand fifteen enough to everyone was rooting for the warriors in two thousand fifteen. And this felt like a throwback to the warriors two thousand fifteen and the rockets are yet again stock they are now in that like Buffalo Bills Utah Jazz like like naming the patriots have stopped like the San Diego Chargers. And all these teams that basically get laid waste to dynasties. And you'll just never like you'll never think of them the same way even though they lost to unbelievable team. So the thing is after the first two or three times happens. You can be like, oh, they're unlucky. You know? They're good enough to get there right here. We're in until the last second. And then the takes the narrative starts, which is they're losers in the can't close it out. When that fact, and it's well, listen at some point once the narrative gets going it starts to seep into your head. If you're a player on that team. And you're like, yeah, we really are losers. Can't get it done when accounts in and then it gets worse and worse and worse right now, they're calling and take spiral, and you can't escape it. Takes your sucked in. Yeah. Basically just circling the drain right now into four. Tech's. Yeah. Vortex goes directly to skip Bayless puddle. That's where you right out his mouth every morning seven to nine. I take things I cannot wait to get in the studio undisputed undisputed with Shannon. I can't wait to tell Shannon Sharpe. What's coming through my door? I told them the saddest thing I saw on Twitter Daryl Maury consummate professional, take this hockey congratulates the warriors after every time they lose to them, which is very sad. When you actually go back so may twenty eighth two thousand fifteen. Congratulations warriors, great great team. Thank you to rockets fans you carry this all year back at it pursuit twenty sixteen. Then it started to get a lot shorter. Because it just kept on happening may are sorry, April twenty two thousand sixteen. Congratulations. The warriors great team. May twenty eighth two thousand eighteen. Congratulations warriors. And then yesterday or today you come at the king you best not miss. Congratulations. Warriors, just make them to threat. It's it's so sad to look at every year. Like clockwork time for Daryl Maury to send out his congratulations warriors to love it. It's like one of those guys who's the guy that broke down the Mueller report in a five hundred. Oh, just that's what it's going to be like for this guy s Abramson more is going to be like Abramson of NBA Twitter where it's just eventually twenty tweets thanking the Golden State relations for beating them in the playoffs. Again, you're the best. Let me ask you a question. Yes. Do think that Kevin Durant is a little bit upset about how good Steph curry played in the second half of that game. I don't think so you don't think there's a small part of oh this part of. So I'll put it this way. If he's out for the rest of the playoffs and the warriors win without him. Yeah. He's going to be he would be pissed off. Oh, yes. That for sure the fact that they won this. Game by putting the entire team on Steph Curry's back. There's got to be a small part of them. That's like when I come back is still my home or have I been cooked out of my own bed. Well, it's the same part of it's the same part of Steph curry that was kind of feeling that way when Kevin Durant was owning every single game and won back to back and be finals MVP. So I think it's like this is the classic wars verse worse Steph reclaims his team after a run that was a historic run from Kevin Durant in terms of numbers wise. And now we have this weird thing where you gonna come back. I think you'll probably miss the first couple of games because they'll they're probably like we're going to beat the blazers no matter, which I don't know. I I know I don't know podcast podcasters verse people that go on people's fucking podcasts. It's probably going to be screen epic showdown. I'm gonna say the wars and five five I'm gonna I'm gonna get the blazers too. We're big Portland podcast. We love the city. I do have one question back in the warriors vs warriors. Does the way dream on Chris Paul all-time petty league backfire he blocked Steph curry from using the court on Thursday night for shoot around. And so the story goes Steph curry reserved the court from seven to eight you can do that. Yeah. You can do that you have to schedule it online. You have to schedule it Chris Paul caught wind and was like fuck that I'm working out Steph. Curry was like, hey, how about we just go have these here, you just need one basket? And he said fuck no takes the whole thing. And then as as they beat the rockets they're coming off the court and dream on. Like, what are you even say is like like Steph said he drew on his kick me out. The court gore. Kick me off the court, again, kicked me off the court again, so petty wars gone wrong. Verbal meam. Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of that game. Arthur fist shaking. Yeah. Just going crazy. Yeah. I do like that. They posted a picture of him celebrating. Yeah. At the end of the game that to me is like you're trying too hard. Verbal verbal mean. Kevin Durant watching the fourth quarter of the game. And it's the mask the cry. The mask in front of them the troll. Trying. Verbal mean guy walking down the street looking over the shoulder at another girl while his girlfriend's really mad at him. And it's the guy is warriors fans, and then the girl is Steph curry, and then the other girl is Kevin Iran and Saudi Soros, you kidding. And that guy the Kevin Durant has the Arthur fist Photoshop over one of the girls fist in the face. And he's crying underneath their, you know, someone draw that for that exact thing quality fucking me. That's we killed it. We yes, we killed that me. So wait, I make a question for you. Okay. Yeah. You ready for this? Yeah. But then I have a very important point. Okay. Mellow curse. Okay. My loaf. Worse who lost on Sunday? The the Denver nicks the Denver Nuggets, they trade way criminal Anthony. The Knicks have never won champagne ever since they traded away. Carmelo Anthony fact the thunder haven't gone out of the first round fact since they got rid of Carmella. Yeah. Though rockets they lose they got rid of Carmelo Anthony. Doesn't win a goal. Say basketball hasn't won a gold medal in two years. Yes. If you win the next gold. I'm officially saying mellow is the best cursor of all time. Could you imagine? This was the hoodie curse. Think about it. Yes. I like Syracuse hasn't won a championship. Since mellow got traded, boom. Wait windows, the mellow curse begin whenever we never really voting. It's very floating whenever you as your team, right or. Yeah. Or the history. I whenever he leaves your team. It's really just wing. It really just is when big cat says it's sorry Herat individual the Knicks. It's been gone going on for a long time. He pre cursed they had is on for a long time. He Kirk which is more potent than normal. So it's so the Melker is a real thing. Yes. I'll everyone. All right. Can I get back to my very important point? Yeah. The blazers logo looks kind of like a butthole. Okay. I'm looking at whole look it up it kind of an infected like bleeding puffy Buttle. That's gross, dude. I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, it's gross. But I'm right. Yeah. Why is the Trail Blazers logo a hurricane? I don't know. What will for hurricane? Let's see trailblazers logo. Let's learn by the way while we. Trailblazers logo PF t want to tell everyone about the gold that we have coming up. Yeah. I do. So we've had some some awesome gold episodes this last week. We put out one where me and be cat interviewed dominatrix a goddess Aviva, so you can go subscribe and get that it's barstool gold dot com slash PMT. And then who do we have next month? We do one bonus episode. Yes. A month and next month. Is it the groundskeeper? Yeah. We're gonna have a baseball groundskeeper and get to the bottom of what the fuck goes onto that tarp. Okay. So here's what is what does the Portland trailblazers Globo mean, Harry, Glickman what the fuck? It means. Harry glickman. Yeah. That's that's butthole right there. Hey, check, my Harry pinwheel with black on the top and red on the bottom. It's meaning a simple modern graphic interpretation of the game of basketball five players from one side. Oh, playing it's five players from another. So there's you can see it up there. There's five little pin wheels. I five little pin wheels. That's kind of cool. That is does look like a hurricane symbol. Yeah. Lower case typography to a bold upper case, adding a dimension. Okay. Yeah. Forty five degrees the motion of the game. Wow. That yeah. That's pretty impressive. Go portland. That's portland. Yeah. Sounds like some Bill Walton came up with we should have Rasheed. Wallace standing maybe lights of blunt like it at the centre court before game three the logo should just be she'd Wallace Damon Stoudamire hidden, gravity and Ruben Patterson, shower room, Patterson, Kobe stopper, the original Kobe Stanton. Okay. Let's get to who's back the week, Hank. Why don't you start? Go ahead show. I got a few my first is Snapchat. Yeah. Okay. So Snapchat released a a new filter which can like turn. It turns guys and girls and girls and guys it's got people going crazy like the dinosaurs Jurassic Park. Yeah. It's pretty have you tried it. No. Can you can you do it to me real quick? Sure. I can pull it out about the Snapchat. If it takes a picture of me, it's going to probably just make me look like a guy because it's going to think I'm check. Yeah. Like that waitress slowly PFP's would be if he was a dude for all the new listeners out there. There was a time. We went to Brazilian steakhouse in Las Vegas, and the waitress came to us and tapped PF on the shoulder said, ma'am, would you like anymore bread? And we just fucking lost it from behind. Chick from was. Was not happy. I'm pretty good looking. Oh, you know, who I look let me say I look like a brunette version. Terrible radio Schnitt at home. Ooh, I look hot. Yeah. I look I look like a cat lady though. My hair is all over the place. Right. I got a lot of split Enz. Yeah. All right. So who so so Snapchat back 'cause back. Yeah. Okay. Why that talking about it? That's all it takes. So funny is for whenever they come back it they're back and forth. Yeah. They're back for like two days until Instagram just copies that exact popular filter. Yes. Yes. Until it gets to the but for this weekend. They're back on other who's back as the drinkers. Yeah. It was wait, wait hang on. So Snapchat was invented basically to send pictures of your dicta people. Right. So what what happens when you point that filter at you? Dick wanted to find out is it turned into a clam. I mean, the catfish people are gonna get cash for so hard. It's almost feel bad. Yeah, seen I've seen pictures of girls that have fake boobs or online. Asks look exactly like, dude. Oh, you could you could be carry have the tits. Careful who's back because Drake curse as I said why he on he war? Seventy Sixers short watching game seven. That's such an awesome move on Instagram soy after they won like pan down. He's not at the game. No. I don't know why. But he liked Instagram story of his TV. I don't even know if he did it on purpose but pan down, and you could see the seventy Sixers. You know what? No one rate genius. It's an emotional. Hedge Drake dot if they lose. Yeah. Then the Drake Ursus fake true. And if they win the raptors win, which is sure what he wanted. No matter what he dodged a bullet because quite hit that shot right in front of like right by seats. And I was looking for Drake because you know, that he would have just made the moment about himself been like the first person to hug Koci, and everyone would have been so annoyed about it. So Drake, you actually lucky because I have been pissed is that it just the two. Yeah. Okay. Back to them for who's the weakest those to my whose back is recurring part, my take guests Dennis Rodman. So did he got arrested for stealing a gigantic four hundred pound crystal from yoga studio, I mean, I don't actually blame him for that probably tried to smoke it. Right. And also it could be hailing crystal also there's certain like four hundred pounds if you're gonna tempt it. I think that's okay. Well, so he. Attempted almost like, hey, get rid of this junk for me, he attempted and he walked it like two steps because he had a buddy helping them carry it. And then it dropped and shattered into pieces like the Knight king. But then he probably got to steal some of that, crystal probably Garelli Phyllis pocket. All right. Exactly. Okay. Anyone else or anything else? Yes. I do have another who's back of the week. It's US women's soccer. Ooh is back. So they just pound the shit out of South Africa on the road to France twenty six days away from the World Cup. And we have this comet we can win. Yeah. We have guests coming from the team. The one thing that the team needs is description for their play like how Arkansas basketball had forty minutes of hell, yeah. Or Spain play sticky tacky to DACA tacky. I say it's ninety minutes of fuck you owe for the US woman ninety minutes skull fucking ninety minutes of skull fucking. You're from women from the US women, but they're actually fun to watch. Yeah. It's a good interview that we've got coming up, but I actually like watching women's soccer better than. Men's soccer because we actually win and women's soccer. Did you see since we're talking about soccer right now? Did you see the end of the EP L season was on Sunday in Manchester City won back to back titles and the best part about the team that wins the title in the PL? They basically just stand on the field for like an hour and sing every like Beatles away song ever. That's pretty what just standing there. I heard. Hey, jude. They're seeing Wonderwall. It's all the Queen there. We are the champions. They basically just sing every great British rock band and stand there for the whole time. And it was all off knows no plan. They sing fucked up system of table counting champion. It's weird. I rugby fan. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. It's it's I think ploughs our problem is the argument is like the best team always wins. Because Seattle on you. Don't who's clutch. No. I know I agree to know. Hey, grace. I agree. I mean, I love plants. I think playoff should be in. Every sport speaking clutch. Good segue to my who's back. Clutch, gene is back or lack thereof because the typically speaking James harden was ranked last out of thirty two players this plows for net rating in clutch time doesn't sound good. And so that's average of at least three minutes. Clutch time and playing at least three playoff games. That's how they decided it. He was dead last. He also every single one of his numbers from the regular season goes down in the playoffs. Basically for the last like five playoffs. Does it wait as negatively affect your score? If you just don't shoot in fourth quarter. Probably because of how good is in the very, I don't know how they actually base it. But is that might so good in the regular season? That might explain what he was doing during the Kevin Durant injury game. Trying just didn't shoot who's trying to not hurt his clutch rate. But here's the good news PF T. We finally have someone back to talk about the clutch, gene. Because it feels like it's been a little bit of an absence. We had obviously like paid panting was odd. Yeah. Brown was huge before he won his titles. Now, we finally have guy. Who we can say lacks the clutch definitively. He and Chris Paul no clutch team them. Who would you say in the NFL right now is the big clutch. Gene guy. Would it be rivers say still privilege? Matt Ryan Aaron Rodgers. If you want to count the fact that he hasn't won a title. He's supposedly the best quarterback in any people are saying, I'm saying that you think you think MJ would have let somebody buys girlfriend a beer in front of them, by the way, that's the correct way to interact with big cat ni-. If we're out at a sporting event is by by me, a beer, and then have big cat look over and must be like. Must be like why why are you doing this? Yeah. Yeah. Like, we have to record a podcast drinkers. Until by the way, we forgot to do it. Do it for my other who's back. Big Matt big sad. We did a big mad big sad or rockets fans. I have a couple for the rockets fans out there after James harden who lacks the clutch, gene, did it again. So this one's from Steve McGee. I feel like Steph curry is type two whereas towel over his nips. When he gets out of the shower yet, he just buried our team. That's actually a great call. That is good. He definitely people do that. I'd Seth curry does. Okay. Yeah. Mace wrote the series is still too with Katie outrun back when he's healthy. We'll try again, that's a good point there. This actually if you want to get technical with it. The warriors won two games, the rockets one three and then the warriors. Yes. One other warriors. You guys beat them three to the the actually news. It was tied to. Yeah. This is actually really sad. When rockets fans are now looking to bills fan. So this one guy said, I don't know what to do at this point every year same story in the last two hurt. So so bad. I need counseling from bills fans and a bills fan jumped any said, here's what you do one trial Kahal to break table with your body three draft Josh Allen, except as your Lord and savior. Yeah. That's pretty good. Very good. Vice another suggestion just start commenting on other teams message boards that are still in it by introducing yourself and saying hey rockets fan here coming in PS as a rockets van this one is just really sad in the fall of two thousand five I chose to go to Wake Forest because the sportscenter special about CPI three scoring sixty one for his grandpa member move me off where he missed the last year he left and we never made a final four year after year. I bet on the clippers last year. I bet four K on the rockets to win the Golden State series. I'm dumb with them. He should have been done with them while ago. And then this last one is really sad. Imagine your dog running away except it returns home a year later. Only to get hit by cars, you're backing out. That's the rockets big set. So rockets imagine that all know, it's a tough. But that's kind of what the rockets are dealing. It's actually more like having a shitty dog that you can't make run away. Like, you keep giving it every incentive like throwing hotdogs across those like, no, I love you. And I'm gonna continue to bite you. Yeah. And shit on the on the floor. Yeah. Sorry, your baby. Yeah. What what's the dog biting baby know peeing on your baby? Oh, that's a really bad dog. Listen, I wouldn't kick a dog out just because it had a couple of accidents indoors seems really specific. Well, I wanted to step it up from peeing on the on the carpet gothic bigger next. One up was go reneging on your daughter. All right. So let's kits. I like, yeah. It's a weird. Those a weird brain thing. So you just gotta kick it up. Not. So yeah. See want people understand that? It's a bad dog. I think you can't be like oh my dog. Water too, much and drinks water too fast and spits up on the floor. You know, that's a fine. Usually just say shit on the carpet showed the carpets holding showers on babies. Yeah. That's a weird Ewing to go throw that fucking dog house weird thing to go. I would throw that fucking dog. Oh, I was a lot more questions than that. From like, oh, this dog is bad. If you like what like how I will. How the baby getting a spot where the dog could peon. Yeah. Wait a second. I don't have a baby. Yeah. Their dog lead. You're on it on the ground and also your dog pees in the house. So that's the first problem might be a small dog. So it can climb up onto interesting like angles and different parts of your furniture and establish the other problem the baby small dog in the basically invented tube city in bad, brain bad. You gotta rob rain bad brain got a row Roddy bradberry? That's a bad brain top bring actually think you should be kicked out of the house for that grain for that terrible brain. All right. Let's go to our interview with Rick Fox before we get to Rick Fox. A couple of words for our sponsors DSL XL when you're a man of my wholesome stature, and physique what some would consider being absolute unit. Others would call the perfect specimen a man, it's hard to find clothes fit because big and tall is all they do DSL. The perfect place to buy clothes de excels. The only one stop shop for big and tall men like me to buy clothes DSL has thousands of styles. Just for built guys like me. 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And you are three time NBA champion. You went to a final four. You're an actor you own an e sports team. What do you not do Rick Fox? I didn't know what Kapiti was actually real. Oh, yeah. Kapito true. Everything's usually have to believe everything I read on Wikipedia. Yes. Oh my gosh. Okay. Some of that stuff is true. Okay. Definitely want some championships. When else did they say final four went to final four loss. Who'd you Duke. No, we we lost to this nineteen ninety one ninety one who's your dome was year Duke beat UNLV Kansas. That was the beginning of their back toback. Yes. How did you hate Christian Leitner? That's the first question because you were around that same or no, no you had him on this show too. I I can think of running into Christian Leitner in airport years later, and we were able to have a conversation. I don't know if he would have been able to get to that conversation. You know, a few years earlier than that. But but we had a lot of Carolina Duke, you know, hatred towards each other. I don't know if we really knew why we hated each other. But the robbery was strong your jersey. Yeah. We're fighting over blue. Yes. Blue is right. As effort easy. Gotta. Hate like everybody hates Chris later. They made that movie about him. He thought I thought he leaned into his yes, his villain role leaned into it say, you are a very handsome man like that reputation obviously proceed you, but you're tall the a little bit to kind kinda like showing off especially my second career. I think you're not that handsome. But you just the right, okay. I'll tell you combined. Good. All right. So we're you are here. Promoting your new show. It's coming out. It's called seven days out seven days out is on next looks at the moment. Okay. I don't know if that's already out do things ever go away. Time. Hopefully, it's good because it's going to be there forever. So I would say rush to see it. But I guess to rush it's out there. You have someone else coming out though morning show mysteries on hallmark. I don't know if you've ever gotten into the hallmark holiday season movies with or have family members have the now have a movies in movies and mystery channel. Okay. I play detective and similar to the Columbus stuff. I do carry it. What do they do for fake guns in Hollywood plug them? Yeah. Yeah. They plug them in a real gun. Yeah. You you still check the clip and make sure there's no bullets bullets noblest line around. That's what happened with crow, right? About about movie, guns and TV guns. Whenever they move them around. It always seems like on TV it makes those noises like guns. Don't just make noise on their own click. Click the fo. Yeah. That's the Foley go in after that. And they put the AD are in. And they make sure the sounds heightened the sense of Ewing viewing the whatever you're watching at that moment, but they will go through every time we are about to use a gun in on us innocent or a while the cameras are rolling, literally the prop master Kohl's the gun every second that you're not on camera. So they come in to get it. They get it from you. Hold it. Make sure it's protected they do a whole safety. You know? Talk before the day when you have guns on set. And then they show you every time guy must do it fifty times in the course today shows clip, his empty loads it in clears a smart clicks, it, you know. So you know, you nothing's going on many handed to you properly. Okay. So while we're on dumb questions about Hollywood. What about fake cigarettes? I've I've seen them I've had ever actors. I've never had to smoke. Never given a character that okay? Does have the dumb question. They're they're out there. Now, they have nicotine free stuff that they do sell those because it's like whenever you see someone smoking on a show or movie, you're like that looks so cool. But it's not a real cigarette and sell those right? We're in the air of all of the stuff now. Right. Everyone's vaping. That's actually going to be like the next big thing. Like, a mafioso vaping. When we made it. I don't know what I saw the rock on social media other day outside of his house in Hawaii. And he was stalking to his fans. And he looked like he had a vape in his hand. The sickest clouds. All right. So going back to we want to talk a little bit. We're gonna actually do your whole career. Because like I said at the top fascinating career. I wanted to start with the fact that you went from UCLA born in Canada moved to the Bahamas. Yes. Played basketball in the Bahamas, then moved to Indiana. How similar are the Bahamas in Indiana. Oh, gosh. Completely different. Okay. Love been to the Bahamas. Okay now. So they can both states. Yeah. You get you get the little dot on the map below Florida there somewhere down that two hundred thousand people growing up for me, I left there, and I went to the cornfields of Indiana in Warsaw, Indiana. So what you moved to Indiana. You did you move with your family or did you move by? No, I was my my parents signed over guardianship to family that was the math teacher headed math department. Yeah. And I stayed with that family, very my high school years in Indiana and picked up he said I played basketball in the Bahamas. My my basketball career in the HAMAs looked like Chris college basketball team in a school came down to the clinic. They showed me they could see I could jump up and dunk the basketball that was pretty much all I knew they're like hold on. We can his kids to work with this kid. Air only thing I wasn't a dog. But it was like the day. I mean, I was kind of discovered in that capacity, and my mom was very keen on me getting a college education. And so she's she asked to coach, you know, chance of my son might be able to come to Warsaw and play for you some day and go to college at Christ college coach took an interest in really actually was the bridge between me making tan. That's so you get to Indiana. I have to assume there's some home-sickness involved there. Right. Yeah. Making that transition. Yeah. I had a I had a blueprint of Michael Thompson. He hasn't who that is. Yeah. Voice in the Lakers father to Klay Thompson, he grew up. He's from the spell with a why it's pretty cool. He was I realized Michael Thompson. He lived a block away from me. I used to drive my bike by his house. He was the first Bahamian to get drafted into the NBA. But he went high school mammy, and he went to college in Minnesota for the gophers and he got drafted to number one pick in the NBA nineteen seventy six was. The Portland trailblazers. So here it was this iconic figure in my country. This is what he did to make his way. And I knew he was, you know, making living, and he was in the United States playing basketball because I saw on TV, and I got chance to meet him. 'cause I wanna be Michael Thompson. And so I did the same thing. I knew I had to get to high school in the states which ended up in Indiana, and I got in short period of time scholarships on. Yeah. So how'd that work Dean Smith just show up to a practice one day? It was like this guy's unbelievable. Yeah. No. When I first got to the Warsaw team had just won the state championship in Indiana basketball deal big deal back, then it was everyone was in one pool. There was no class system. And was like hoosiers seen the movie for me, the the kid in the hoosiers movie that punches out. Yes, he was my point guard. He was a point guard on the school team that won the champions the actual kid. Yes. Steve holler. Okay. This on your team to know. He's a great guy. But I. That was just a character. Played move. He played with a chip on his shoulder a little bit like the guy in the movie. But when I got there, I just sat down this is defending state championship champions in Indiana. And I'd never played basketball. I went into the high school coach, and he says, well, what do you? What do you wanna do? I said I wanna play basketball here for you. And then I wanna get a scholarship to North Carolina. And then I'm gonna go to the pros. Now that was the Michael Thomson blueprint. How old are you? I'm fifteen at the time. She's like my first basketball experience ever played an in basketball for in a team setting. So I said that Tim, and if you think about it now he knows that. I keep seeing me that summer come to the basketball camp for the college college coach had become in go to three weeks of a basketball camp. The first week. I went through all the drills, and he had every high school coach from every area in the in in the conference in the area there come to see if I would be someone they'd want on team all of them left. And was like, yeah. This can't play can't play tall. I get it. He can jump up and donkey, but he can't play. Also was black in northern Indiana in nineteen Eighty-four. Right. So the the only between three weeks I was there. And that some before I came to cop came to high school I stayed with that little family in the cornfields the week in between the two weeks of camp. High school basketball coach they're at war. So high school at one state championship was also a math teacher in the math department. The head of the math department of the family ended up living with he used to be the videography for for the head coach head basketball coats. So they decided to take me down to Indianapolis Indiana during that week to see the world's largest basketball game seventy three thousand people in this new dome called Hoosier dome and being the RCA dome. It's. Seventy three thousand but we sat in the top row of the dome at that time who was playing the nineteen Eighty-four Olympic basketball team against him NBA pros. So that was Michael Michael Jordan Steve Alford coach, Bobby Knight. And on the other side with Sam Perkins. I didn't know any of these players rice. No, I know that the coach high school coach was telling me about all these different guys. And how three or four of them were were, you know, went to the university of North Carolina. Right. Sanford. Like, I'm thinking to myself. They have the most pros, right? So that's where I need to go to school. So I left I before they sent me back home to the Bahamas. They basically left me with a blueprint to say, hey, if you come back here, you tell your parents, you can come back here to go to high school, you'd live with his family that you spent the week with and you you know, you can try out for the basketball team told my parents, they like what are you talking about going Indiana going to school there? Right. Like, I cried as a kid I cried. And finally, they went and visited the the family that I was gonna live with and they signed over guardianship. So I tell this high school coach the first week I want to play for him. Yeah. Defending state champions in Indiana. They got the Mr. basketball candidate that's gonna make win Mr. basketball that year, and I want to cutting numerous in North Carolina. And I want to go to the pros. And he could he could Louis laughed me out the room. Right. He didn't. He just took me out on the basketball court and walked me out. And he said, look, I can give you the tools, which do it is up to you. And he sat me on the block with my back to the. Basket. I I he did was he took me to the hash hash line on the on the basketball court. It's usually like pass three point line. Yeah, we're like to coach. Aren't supposed to pass that mine. He goes. Dribble from here and make a Leo. And I took one dribble picked it up. Step step and later, they don't call your point. He he is going to be oppressed. You know, it caught the caught the coach by surprise. And he said can you do that again can you dunk at this time, and he was a huge fan of James worthy. So I took the dribble one big one dribble. Big picked up step step and took off in dunked it and he's like, I'm a great coach. He goes he took me when he goes. Okay. Put me on the box the back to the basket. He showed me drop. Step simple. You know, post move drop step. He told me to keep doing this. You do this. And till I tell you stop. I just started doing it. And I did it did it and he just left a gym. I just kept doing it. And I got came to school early before classes, and I go on to jam and I do it and do it finally afterwards. He could see that. I was cultural and willing to actually put in the work. Try to offer JV team first game. I make the JV squad. First game. I go in. I score sixteen points in the first quarter. Pretty good. I just very athletic right over everybody. And he had coached comes running out and take them out. You're only allowed like four quarters in in a in an varsity game. And I got promoted up to the varsity squad really quickly. So sure enough by the second game on the roster. The Senate starting center for the defending state champions blows his knee out. And I get thrown into starting position. Well, because we had the Mr. basketball candidate all these head coaches were coming to scout top recruit in Indiana. He had decided yet where he wanted to go to school and every time they came they'd see this really athletic, kid, grabbing rebounds and jumping and running really fast. And so I became I got on the radar. So your initial question was how did I get to Smith? Yeah. That summer after we lost and semi-state or whatever coach high school coach puts us all on van and drives us to five star basketball camp ever heard of that camp. Yes. How Garfinkel it was like what today's AAU Nike. Adidas. This was like hit to be the top one hundred kid in the country to be at this camp. Literally by the time, I got home back to Indiana couple of weeks later. I got a letter from Dean Smith and started whole process of being recruited by him. So when's a movie about you? Because that was fantastic. Oh, yeah. Right. That's your own hoosiers. The fact that you said I wanna go to Indiana wanna go to North Carolina wanna go to NBA. I guess a little better because I better a little worse. But the next year we, you know, when I made it back from that that top one hundred camp, and I all of a sudden, I'm kind of on the radar now, I'm getting all these letters in my mailbox all of coaches in the conference to thought I was an exchange student at that. I was only there for one year. And so they raised hell when they heard I was coming back to play another year. So they call the Ananta High School Athletic association and said, hey like this kid can't play. He's an exchange student. They went no, no, no, no, his parents signed over guardianship. So he's literally those are his parents. I must have been pissed off. They were pissed I play another year we dominated played really well. And after that second year we I went back to that camp. Again, this time I on a scholarship for two weeks. And I was one of the top one hundred kids legitimately at that point. And I win the MVP of the first week of the camps. All of a sudden now in a year and a half or two years. I'm the best player in the United States for one week. Right, right. And I sprayed my ankle at the end of the camp week and after winning to award and the next week incomes agai name Alonzo Mourning the morning shows up I didn't play the first two days of camp that week and by the third week. Everyone's like, we wanna see brick FOX's kid Alonzo hair often they move the game into the big Jim which they never played we always played outside. But they made a big, you know, spectacle of us playing and had a great game. But he had a better game. And he ended up winning. When I went back to to, you know, more soft that I was met with obviously a number of recruiting trips I had to take, but I was met with a letter by the in there in High School Athletic association, saying that I was an eligible to play my senior year. And because I'd gone to high school in in the Bahamas for two years. And when I came to United States went back into the software because I was only eight years old. And my parents want me to go to high school go to college at seventeen. So I figured we played three years and in the states, and they said, well, you play two years in bombs in two years in Indiana only out for years, and so the family that I lived with decided to fight fight it in court. So we went down, and we you know, they put the money up. I didn't know this two years later. I just thought I was fighting, you know, a court case to try and get my eligibility the same time. I went on all my college visits and went to Indiana went to do to Georgia Tech and went to North Carolina in the process, Indiana, re Bobby Knight, they really heavily wanted needed play for the hoosiers. Jane, Katie really heavily wanted me to play Purdue. And it would have been a lot of noise. If I had if I scape the state right being an Indiana top player, and and so Bob Knight, actually, testified for me in my court case he came in. And I was shocked. You know, the judge was aired incomes, Bobby Knight. And he gets on the. Dan. And he's got right now got it. Right. Tesla of Bobby Bobby Knight yet in that air. That's like Jim Harbaugh sleeping over at a kids. Yes. To recruit on even one step further. Jim Harbaugh had three national titles or four national go. Yeah. So Bobby Knight is in on the stand. And the judge literally says to buy me ninety says so coach night if this kid does not play another game high school basketball. Would you give him a scholarship? He goes most definitely right now in that like sealed my high school fate because the judge ruled Frawley other coaches saying that doesn't need it. He doesn't need. Yeah. Right. And sure enough I had to sit out my senior year. So I sat out my entire senior still practice with the team so practice with the guys coach put me onto the practice squad. Opposite the best players, but we kept beating them. So that just destroyed their inch. Right. Did you ever think about just switching jerseys with like one of the short white kids on the team and just go in and try his name track? Good long story short. I didn't play my senior. But I still name to the Kentucky Indiana all star team. Out play went onto play those two games after the season and won the MVP of the won both games. And when the MVP the all star game. So it was it was incredible. Right. So you get to North Carolina. And I don't think that Dean Smith gets as much credit these days as I think he probably should he was he was a helluva coach. But I feel like he gets overlapped by a lot of the coaches that were his contemporaries that are still coaching. Yeah. Coach a little bit longer than them. But what was he like as as a leader who's great real father figure? I'm sure you've heard that from any Carolina guy you've spoken to this platform. Huge proponent of us being student athletes getting degree, you know, I got my degree. It was so many of us, you know, graduated. This was previous the Carolina scandals all actually test. Oh, yes. We actually went to school. I was looking for that line. What are they saying? People didn't go to school and didn't take classes because I know I did my shit. Malign kind of fell shortly there my time there. But it was it was interesting because Coachman left pretty much you're to after I graduated, and and you know, but he was man. He he laid the foundation for me. You know, I think I I play well with others meaning other great players. I think it made my transition into the pros where I was able to play with, you know, legends like Larry Bird and Kevin McHale Robert Parish, my rookie year and feel comfortable and feel like I belonged also think it taught me how to you know, to not have to be have it all be about me how to blend in with other great players, which when you get to the pros you pretty much. Everyone's great, you know, it's just how can you how can you fit in and do a role play a role and still be effective? If you're not getting the ball all the time. So I learned how to do that learn how to think the game learnt how to actually be a man in the community and be responsible for myself fashionably? And and that I think all four years under him a lot of kids. Don't get that today. But for years on the coach myth into your point. You're right. I mean, he was. Be greatest college. I think credit college coach in that era, and that point Mike chefs he's been chasing him, and obviously has gone onto coach as long as he has not longer and surpass a lot of his records and pretty much may definitely par. Coach myth in North Carolina. And maybe even had surpassed him in his law when it comes to the state, but Smith in pay players never got paid coach K Nells guys asked the different. I say we I say we go with that room. Did you play with Eric Montross? I did. Play with him here. He looked like a lot of fun to dunk on. I never yes. Actually have. He's got he's the most college. The way he's got the flat top he was a pretty good player. But every time he got dunked on he looked like a baby deer. Learn how to roller skate like kind of fell down two steps. After the fact great great guy played got it. Look what I wanna championship. That's okay. Don't worry about it chain and entering that for those that can't see while you maybe you can't see them water all over the place. That's all right. I tried to dunk on mantras again. Yeah. No, he he's gonna he wanna championship and went on to play with them in Boston again to play with him at the Celtics drafted him pretty high and didn't go as well. He wasn't his you know, when you get to the pros, you kind of there is a certain level of athleticism that you you have to have even though we've seen people Ozzy dominate without superior Atlanticism just under skills, dander. Stan how to how to take advantage of defense of or defender, but Eric was someone that relied a lot on his heighten and strengthen size in college and got away with it there, but can get away with it in a different game. So you get drafted by the Celtics, and you are at the tail end of all the Celtics legends from the eighties. Kevin McHale was playing with guys. Who are? I mean. I would imagine when you show up you're probably better than these guys. 'cause there at the end of their career. Well, I short a heck tried them. I tried labor at after practice dried, Kevin McHale factors. Even Robert Parish. What was it like your what is it your fourth or fifth year? When you win sixteen games in fifteen gates my six year six year fifth a captain of that ship. So what I mean that's got a wear on you meant where where nine guys had surgery that year. So you're the captain of the first team ever to the captain of the Titanic. Going down. Yeah. It's so when that season ended I I opted out of my contract, and literally they fired everyone in the front office and hired Rick Pitino. And that's when Rick Pitino came in. I'm thinking to myself. This guy's Kentucky. Pretty dang good coach, you know, he went and met with him. And we talked about, you know, the future of the Celtics and he wanted me to be captain future. Take you to he took you're lucky. That's probably. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So then I said, I said, okay. Well, we leave after good meeting like the guys amazing. What do you think I go? Well, what's the offer? And and they said okay have eighteen million offer for four years. Sure. Left Tuesday morning rolls around. And he calls me. He's like, okay. They went up a little bit. It went up to go. I'm going to LA for a million dollars. Here's you serious. Call them and town, thank you. But I'm going to LA got back on the plane flew to L A, and they just stunned that who turns down a million dollars for one million dollars. Right. And I did and from one year I just felt like it was the place for me to be. So I got there and getting there they asked him jersey number. I wanted to said I'm going to wear number seventeen because when I used to lay on the floor before all of my games and Boston so look up at the rafters and add sixteen championships. You know, he's always think before every game. I can't win number seventeen Wyndham seventeen. And I chose them seventeen. I said I'm going to get my first championship. Before they get seven wars petty wall. Real petty. We ended up winning three of them. So I imagine while you were in Boston. You got indoctrinated into the Lakers hate though, right? We weren't good enough. Well, you gotta remember Michael Thompson fan. Yeah. So grateful as I was to be drafted by ran back to get my shot in the NBA. I was Michael Thompson fan James worthy. Was my coaches favorite player. Right. So I I was James worthy fan. Right. So everything about me was, you know, more Laker tied than you. Gotta make your look and I. Hollywood. I didn't get the Laker name Rick Fox Hollywood day. So I just loved I loved my time in Boston loved the city. I loved playing we just talked. We didn't win we didn't win. And when you don't win in Boston. It's not a good place. So so in LA, you got Kobe you got shack the start of their three peat the dynasty, Phil Jackson shows up. First question. Did you read fills book that he gave every okay because we've pulled a lot of people gave me he gave me John. Yeah. Some some some guys don't out of Morrison did Dennis Rodman said fuck, no. And I I was reading I was reading something. When researching that you're coming in that you were kind of the go between on the team for and shack like the guy for fill to basically like feels like, hey, go make sure that they feel I think so saw me as having coaching potential and someone that he would shape his to maybe one of his assistants at some point and their stories behind the that when it came to his time here in New York and almost became a coach. But the I think that's he saw me as a veteran that could be you know, he knew I was close with Chack. And I think he knew that Koby connected with me because co we played in Italy. And and he he kind of you know, took a took him under my winter wing earlier on in his career inside became became the third captain for years. And I did I had to be the go between at times. And it wasn't always pretty but fill the thing that Phil knew most about me was he knew that he could stir me up in that. I would actually call bullshit on anything. Going on in the team. Right. And he always we always tell them his books. He's talk about every year at some point. I would stand up in a team meeting and just go off on everybody and just call it. What call what needs to be said out, and I look back ago. I am Phillies to kind of poke me a lot. He would kind of wind. Me up and then at a certain point time when they need to meet explode. He just say something that I can get in the meeting, and I just lose it. What was it like to be on team? That was just dominating. Like you guys. I the west was obviously a lot better. But the east whenever you get to the NBA finals Pacers. The Sixers Pacers twice right? Yeah. No one's pages. Wants then we played the Sixers in nets. And that's right. Oh, yeah. Jason kerry. But you guys dominate wasn't ever really doubt. I remember watching the finals those years and being like, there's no doubt, Indiana, Indiana was probably the best the closest thing. But even then we knew we knew once we got out of got past Portland, the next, you know, we knew we were going to be fine. Once we knew we got through San Antonio. We knew we were going to be fine. And then once we got through Sacramento he was that game rigged, which one two thousand two game seven, no. I don't I I've heard that. But I don't hurt that. I'm into Tim down here. Yeah. Why sweating for everyone was just listening? Fox's started swell wreck's over another. You need something minute. What do you know that we don't know? Don on the show, and he said best. Always making sure. Kingsman still. Or very race still hot about that series. I always say always say to them. There was still a game. That was there was still have the chance to win. And it's still went over time and was still missed. It's also mazing me how many just superstar famous people were involved with that team. Like when you think back about the nineties, you think about Lakers late nineties think about Lakers basketball team, probably with I think two of the most clutch performance of all time. Who would you rather have taking that lash shot in a play? I was gonna say Kobe, Rory, Robert, Robert. Yeah. Shop shop. There was never need out at the end of the game. He could have three points game. He had the ball. He's the the strange thing about it with rob was the ball. Would find him didn't matter if you drew up the play for someone else? It didn't matter if you drew up the play for him. It wouldn't go to way you'd think it was gonna get tipped out. Some how he would be standing in the one spot the ball came to an immense. I saw it at least twelve times. I mean, it was the most remarkable thing. It was like what he was put on earth to do nothing else. Hit club shot. Yeah. You wanna do the game? The last thing. So this is the Seekie questions to be our last question, promo code change seats ten no you put in promo code ticky at ten dollars off seek purchase using seek. We have a little game for you, the PF has. Yes. So you you were on are you smarter than a fifth grader, right? Yes. How'd you do? I wasn't smarter than the fifth grade. Okay. Well, we're going to give you shot at redemption that good. Yeah. I three questions for fifth grader, Rick Fox. What is the capital of California? Sacramento. Okay. That hurts me to say. Yeah. Kilo neely. Yeah. Queens. Yeah. What is the largest ocean in the world? Tells me this is. Question question question. Don't overthinking overthinking Alantic. No. You know, you know, this facility. Yes. Okay. Cut the part. We atlanta. Thank you third question. Who is a better teammate Kobe shack Israel questions better teammate. Yeah. Gosh, that's a tough one only only resume to pick one. Can you? Give me in what in what capacity. Yeah. Better player to be a teammate with. Wow. Love them. Both. Putting Jeff I'm not. Yeah. That's in the fifty two. All right. New game gun to your head where he asked the question. On your head. Who's better teammate your shack gone to your head? Did LeBron kill magic. Yeah. Go to your head. I don't think LeBron bid but outdoor the but in there. He probably did magic out by got a gun but to the head. Yeah. Right. Exactly. From who we do not LeBron, man. Maybe it was one of those. GM too. I think I think there's there's I think there's definitely a difference of direction and what they do. Yeah. And and I think that I think that. I can see why you're. Everybody. Kobe. Come you? Who you do you still talk to them? Yeah. A lot. Copious much. I do I do have one question. I ask a lot of actors if they would be willing to play the next JAMES BOND. I'm not gonna ask you that though. Instead, would you be willing to start in Space Jam too. With lebron. Who you're better than you went through? I live in LA. Okay. That's an easy. We got. Yes. I'm sure they if they're casting is he having trouble. Just cast own family. That's I can only coach I can't play. So that's fine. Rick Fox head coach may. Fox. Thank you so much. Really? Appreciate you stopping by authors. Welcome anytime. Back. Thanks. That interview with Rick Fox was brought to you guys by bird dogs bird dogs is one of my favorite companies that sponsor of ours. I wear bird dogs nearly every day in the summertime shorts. They're perfect for the gym. You can go swimming in them the air, really, really fast. They've got a built in liner that doubles underwear. So like, I said, it solves a lot of problems. You don't have to worry about mixing and matching if you wanna work out before you, go to work, just boom pack two pairs of bird dogs in your gym bag. You were good to go. Big cat. You wear to write them. What's the longest stretch of time that you've spent wearing bird dogs over the summer for me? It's probably yeah. 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And they they tried to force Jason Kidd on Tyler. I lose like, no. And then they tried to force on Frank Vogel. He's like, yes. So Frank Vogel. You got cooked before you set the tone in the relationship. Yeah. It's like you've got no hand if you're planning a wedding and your wife's like, hey, I need your best man to be lane kiffin. Yeah. Sure. Right. Yeah. No that'll work. This will no way will this go poorly. Yeah. So Frank Vogel's new coach do they just named Jason Kidd head coach in waiting already pretty much head coach when LeBron decides that he hates Frank Vogel, which could be at any moment. They also had a one of the saddest protests have ever seen outside of staple center. Shout. Out to all the Lakers fans. There were literally dozens of them who showed up trying to get. I think they're trying to get Kurt Rambis fired slash rob Pelinka Jeanie Buss out. I don't know. It was all very bizarre. I just loved it. Every Lakers fans are like already fed up with LeBron maybe not directly you can become a clippers fan. Yes. Pretty easy. Lebron Mike get traded to the clippers somewhere else. Yeah. He doesn't have a no trade clause. Lebron for quite straight up. Even though quite well, they signed to the supermax. That's interesting question in itself because I don't think that Leonard's gonna be that much more attracted by an extra fifty million dollars that the raptors are going to be able to sign them to a supermax for quiets. Like, here's a care about money. He just want. No, he cares about being in a place where his personality can shine. He cares about having the latest software salt and his body. Yes. It's going to be interesting though to see what happens with. Well. No actually won't be juicy. What happens? Frank was Frank full. Will is like he got he got hired to get fired. Yeah. No, eventually when you say it's going to be interesting to see what Frank Vogel. Does you don't have to finish that since you're already like, no? I was gonna say it's going to be interesting to see how Jason Kidd coaches carrier Vic. That was a very interesting dynamic how long until Jason Kidd is the one that's drawing plays on the sidelines. Frank Vogel is just more of a CEO. Yeah. How long until Jason Kidd has Frank Vogel pump into someone with a drink Trisha extra time out. And then that was not very classy of you. That was a good good. Those base gets best coaching decision. That's why they want him on the team people's Jason Kidd. You're really good at knocking over drinks. Can you just hang out with LeBron all the time? He hasn't slugged so much. Why have you just slapping the white outer lebrons hand Hank question for you? How much respected you lose for career? If he goes to Lakers on very torn on this because part of me wants me to go. There wants me wants him to go there too. So I can root like put all my hate to into one team. But then other part of me scared the lottery win. Yeah. That would be tough the worst if Kyrie Irving imagine carrier Ving goes the Lakers and the Celtics don't do anything with their roster. But like all those guys become good again. And. Go. They meet in the finals w mazing to. Lebron beat them. Did you see I would end your life? Did you see what Kerry said after we'd have to drown loss who had had one of those interesting quotes? He was like, yeah. You know, take some time to think about this loss in the season. But I I gotta get home hopefully, safely to my family full-time with them. It's he just that out there. Like, oh, you know, when you think about it traveling is dangerous always air travel. Every time you leave your house the drive back from the airport. You never know what these crazies on the measles outbreak in like six different parts of America. So I haven't heard an update from Cairo. Hopefully, he got home safely damn from that loss, very ominous. He's like for like real shame. His post-game quotes have reached strange philosophical. He's like his quarter. Like, Mike Tomlin if Mike Tomlin took a freshman year philosophy class Bill. He's he just he everything he thinks is genius. He's he actually is kind of like brand level of annoying. Everything he says is just like do shut up. You're just trying to be cool every time you open your mouth shut up. Stand up out of your wheelchair. You're fine. New useless at the end the season. Oh, there you go. Okay. Let's do we have two more things before we get to game of thrones recap. We have a drunk idea PF Tia drunk idea. Yeah. It's just an app that tells you how tall someone is. You point your camera that doesn't seem like good idea for you not for me. Oh, well, actually girls love guys that are under six feet tall because we live longer got jeans this playing these for blind people. Yeah. The problem was I was at a bar on Friday. And there was a guy that had to be at least seven five, and he was like an older guy. I've never seen like a toll old guy before. And I was just looking at him. I was like what is he like seven three. And then the person I was with. No, he's gotta be like seven five and it's impossible to tell once somebody gets over seven people. You can ask them you don't. Yeah. But that's the only question. They get. Yeah. I know we'll know they'd probably get to play basketball. Did you play bass in the skies? Yeah. If it was in your mic in. Yeah. So I I just thought that'd be a handy app to have. I don't I think it would that would be bad for you though. Because people would they seven what he keeps saying he's ten. No. They wouldn't know that at all you'd have to wear heels everywhere. No. I'm not five seven been very clear. This is very strange app to I feel like you can tell to it's only for basically over seven foot peop-. Yeah. Exactly. So you just want to how it locks if it's under seven so you just want an app for like the maybe like five times a year, you see someone who's over seven feet tall. And you don't wanna be rude and go up and be like how tall are you? You'd much rather do the classic thing. Just point your camera at them and take a picture of them K. I can't see a lot of us for this app. But drunk drunk idea why it's truck idea. So also an app that you can just point out of crowd and tell how many people there. Okay. Like a small area in like a try to win. You're just trying to trying to win. The you know, the thing they do in the six innings seeing how many people are at the stadium. Exactly. Yeah. You can take a picture of a stadium. Emetic boom council. I'm sure the military has something like that say all China has this walked by something and they just recognize your face. Yeah. Facial recognition you actually want like more robots to figure out every like who everyone is. Yeah. I do. That's not good. I trust robots more than I trust people. Okay. That's bad. That's really bad. Quiet that shot. It's true. After four bounces the two quadruple doing. Should. We do Monday reading. Let's do Monday reading. So we have this from. Ricardo Har Har Millo. I think this is a modern love college essay contest that seems like a very specific thing to write about. So it's titled why can't meant to say. I love you to each other. It doesn't count if you add bro or man to the end. That's three right now. You've lost me. Yeah. All right. So we'll hop around. Here. He starts with them. Having L were troubles. But my troubles. Don't involve a lover. There's no ram romance or sex in this, no flowers, candles or dancing. Why can't you send candles? Your buddy. That's true for have sex with them. Yeah. My L were troubles are with my boy. My best friend Kichi. I've told them I love him probably five or six times now. But he never says it back Kichi. Yikes. His dog. Nope. It's it's his, bro. Okay, friend when people say, I love you especially for the first time there are a number of things they may be saying, maybe it's do you love me or more urgently. Please love me. This guy already seems a little too much. Okay. I the first time. It's always. Yeah. Do you love me? You love me back. Can you just say it back with Kichi? It's not like that. I know he loves me. I feel it all the time. I don't need to ask for his love. I don't need to wonder I tell him. I love him for simple reason. Nothing could be more true. But it doesn't say back mostly. I've said it when we're leaving a couple of times over the phone once when I was drunk that one scene that was we're going for sure another time when he was hurt, and I was trying to be supportive. There's always silence for a moment. And then he says something like, yeah. Bro. A catchy soon. Yeah. That's guys. Let me just what feeling meaner Jechorek quick. If I could give one piece of vice the author. It's a lot less weird and more accepted if you just Jimmy tapped the guy. Yeah. Just give them a little sack cap means the same thing. That's how guys say I love you too, bro. I don't need him to say. Those exact words to me kind of sounds like you do if you're writing an essay about it. Right. Yeah. If yeah. Yeah. The seems like kind of. Overreaction the other way. I wonder though about what keeps him from saying them. What keeps nearly all young men from being able to tell their male friends that they love them the question to millions of people every every single day. He was hardly ever say it back. But that's not why say it feels on my column in the New York Times goes on to tell the story about his childhood friend who he used to hold hands with. And then someone's like, dude, you guys hold hands, and they stopped holding hands. But anyway, he goes on I met Kichi in the middle of my freshman year. When I was once again, nervous, new kid just party sorry to interrupt. But it occurred to me that guys we invented the handshake. So that we could hold hands with another guy for, but it's got a definitive input on it. Well, unless you Trump, then it's just you pull on Schick guys. Yeah. You shake guy's hand. That's the cool way of being like, we're holding hands. Putt. We're not holding hands anymore. When I when I love someone pound him, and then blow it up. Yes. Pretty cool. That is really. Cool. Do you ever do this one the up up down, bumping and? Or D lock it. That's that's almost holding hands. Lock it. Okay. So back to the article, I was a quick quick quick show and tell of what you can do instead of saying, I love you. So he says I've gone through life with a rotating set of anxious ticks that year. I become fun to swinging my university lanyard with my key in circles, wrapping on wrapping around my finger when people started flowing into my dorm room. I began my nervous swing not noticing. What I was doing until I heard a crack and a saw that my key had struck strangers iphone screen leaving a minor scratch that stranger. Kichi knows a guy named Fred. Oh, no. It was keeping you. Well, I'll say this. If a stranger cracks, your iphone, and you still elect to be best friends of that person. That's emotion. More powerful than love the way, more powerful that you got over that massive hurdle on your very first friend date. Yeah. And you you powered through that's like getting herpes from a girl under I go under you end up marrying. He keeps going on talking about his friendships with key cheese, pretty deep. Listen, we all have friends deep friends longtime friends, I Meyer, how quietly deliver Kichi is in the balance he brings to his life. When I go to him with girlfriend problems writing problems or any other kind of problems some little things he says are notices always stay with me. Stay with me for days. That's better than love. Dude. You have so many things that are better than love. And yet you just need it your your little bit a little extra needy little extra the codes been following love or tricky, for example, while saying a straight. I love you is frowned upon. Something say. Being to another man much love. This much love or got low for you is okay. I like you. But I'm not in like with these these things are not, okay. By the way, saying if I walked in like PF, t I got love for you man, ain't much love big catch up. Hey, one whenever one that way. You just want love all all together. We are talking about one love. But I just wanna say fell we're we're telling each other that we love each other twenty nineteen you can say you love your best friend. Yes. Okay. Just don't write an entire laissez in the New York time doesn't say I love I love you. He probably doesn't love you. Hang you. Don't be a Kichi, Hank. I love you guys. All right. You don't be a Kichi. He keeps going on and on. And I don't even know where it ends up. Basically keeps you just fucking say love you to this guy. So he stopped writing essays about you. Yeah. It's a good. That's a really specific name. What you read this? And you're like, oh, I fucking. Oh kichi. I know that guy how he's gonna friend who needs to say, look, how would you feel if you were and your best friend wrote an article for the New York Times about how you won't tell them that you love him. Do you think that keeps us move as he reads, this and first thing he does is text or call and say, I love you. Because if it's not I think our relationships over I think he's got a or or maybe he has a little phone with interest Texas says much love. That's that's good so heart emoji and then. Yeah. All right. So here's the end of it. There's a part of the story. I haven't admitted yet each time. I say love you too key. It feels uncomfortable. I feel the weirdness of it in myself. That's because you didn't say back, dude. That's why it's weird. The lesson is bird in that deep. I hesitate flinch, but in my conscious mind, I know, it's what I want to say. So I try to say. I want to say I love you too Kichi in means just that I don't want there to be any desire questioning or expectation lurking. Inside my words, I wanna love in a way that surpasses the need for African nation for return. This is what I have come to know as pure kinda love expecting nothing back. Oh, so good. He loves him. Yeah. He's comfortable with that. We're fucking worry about the about this fella's instead of saying I love you to your friends. If that makes you uncomfortable, the new code phrase that were swapping out now is what's up bitch or say, I don't wanna be seeps. Yes. Yeah. There we go. I wanna be I wanna be seized Seabra your I don't wanna be. I wanna be with you. I wanna be with you. That's what you say to your, bro. I want to be with you Pete want to be around. You would it be inside. When I wanna smell Z, try that out with your buddies won't be inside you dude with my feeling. Hey, hank. I wanna be inside you. Loan with love, dude. I'm talking love. Thank you say back. Please. Say I don't want to be Seve's. No. Yeah. Yeah. Bitch. All right. So two thousand nineteen guys you can say I love you to each other. But if your best friend writes an entire article in the New York Times saying how he wants you to say love, you you might need new best friend. Yeah. Or just say it back. Yeah. Say back so the stops writing. You don't have to write a book about you. You don't have to mean, it just say I love you one time Kichi year about to being a fucking rom com. Movie about two broS don't love each other. It's bad. Joe? Joe Napa toes licking his chops. I love him. No. We're not allowed to say, man. I love you bitch practicies, man. Yeah. The sequel. All right. Hey, hit the music game of thrones recap game of thrones spoilers. If you haven't watched don't, listen, if you have we have something special planned for you. We start at the fiery tundra as Queen. Danny McBride tar area took her army eastbound down to king's landing, sir, sea biscuit, Linister had court comparatively three times the size of police as the blonde. Bombshell. Imagined her dragon bringing thunder thunder lightning on the Dr through a crowd of innocent, women and children bordering the city to ground in touching tribute to Henry Kissinger what? We now go live to go with what? Tari Lantis stir up Lil Darlan, stared up setting his brother, Jamie free. So we could go pork sister one. Last time you're on graduate got up in his guts on the beach. I as army tracked throw in the towel. But quite didn't hear no Pell lead the charge through the city like Bontes perfect in a room full of secrets. He could go. Back down to the streets where John Edwards and was disillusioned with his government's overreaches his army advanced on surrendering soldiers running up the score to get a more favorable, Ken prom raking for quality wins. That's not a body so drag it meanwhile, back up in the castle did his best oppression of Netflix documentary. And got thrown down a staircase. The hound took on the mountain like a Saint Bernard as the two brothers to the death in a seem Shirley ghost written by surface main overrated Archer Aaron Rodgers and folks put out an AP for ours star because stopped me to heard this before put a famous colors on the run riding a slow moving white Pronk. Oh. All right little fastest two minutes for you game. Thrones recap. That's probably the only fastest two minutes. We've done in two minutes. My voice is not ready for it. Just person down there. It's the off season for us off season for us to let's start from the beginning. Hank your fucking monster me. Yes. So denarius. Well, first of all we should start with varies who gets killed right right out the gun. He whispers the guy that has the most to talk about. And you don't let them give his last words that was kind of annoying. Yeah. Well, guess what's really extra is killing people with your dragging death by dragging seems a little excessive? It's fast forward works. But it doesn't feel like it's I don't know if feels and he's hairless. So he doesn't burn up. There's no like it's like electric chair. And like it didn't always work. They didn't. I did notice that input a sponge on his head. Yeah. They did that. So he probably did suffer. He'd get a last meal. He just got killed that dick dude who ended up being right? I mean as MRs lifetime shrew. Because denarius denarius already serenade. Mary's generes is on one. She is mad. She is triggered. She is very mad online. She is like, you know, when when you get older, and you get that moment where you start copying. What your parents do? You don't realize it. You're like one day, you're young. And the next day. You're like man these games have too many time outs or oh, man. Like, these guys are Dunkin too much. Why don't they laid up that is what Danny did except instead of complaining about like too many commercials. She just blew up the whole fucking city because that's what her dad wanted to do. She did pretty much, but but big cat. I'm kind of on team hanker because he did that to our own people. Well, she could've given not yet. Always too much pride not full even till the very end. She's like, you know, what she was doing. It was a two thousand eighteen version of that Hitler movie where he's in the bunker is known. That's fun. I've got my army around the city. It'll be fine. And then she was slowly coming to the realization that she fucked up big. But she what are you talking about? She they they basically gave up they dropped all their sort that. Yeah. But but that. She did not get the surrender. They still surrender. Literally all them all the guys drop their swords. The fight was over there. Like, we're done. We're outmatched. You can't you can't to happen team. If he gets Alabama's getting blown out. They're not just going to like quit half with the game. Take. Take. I agree. Exact show for battle. You got a fucking battles. Exactly why the mad king was the mad. He wanted to blow up the entire of king's landing. That's exactly what that's gonna loss. Why he did that in a losing effort? Dude. She did what her dad was was trying to kill all the innocent people. She murdered. Everyone's my question you'd be cat. Would sir c have shown that kind of mercy to Danny? What do you hurt people? If if certainly were invading wherever you are wherever Denny lives. I don't know like fucking weird Kathy with like at room for dragon, if surveys invading that town, do you think that would have mercy on Dame's you already soldiers shared it did because she showed up in the last in episode four she showed up with with her dragging or army inserts could've killed them. Right there. I know she. Yes. She could have she was sitting there with all those fucking bite him. I I don't think that sir is would have shown the mercy that you're expecting, Danny. But hold on read for accurate, wait. Hold on. I agree with Hank to. Okay, hold on. She just. Your Queen went. Oh crying like mad. I'm mad because you think that she's like this just ruler. And she just showed that she's exactly like you're just going to guarantee our fucking psychos, actually. But that's what your team once crazy ones. Good. And then she just crazy crazy. Danny one is good John. Oh, so you're okay. With the crazy, but you want also the good. So wait, you're rooting team targe. So no, they're not on target area. Yes. Oh, he is hard. Yeah. She's his aunt. So you want you want her to just kill everyone. I want the tar to be ruling at the end. So she did bitch out big time. She pulled a Saddam Hussein was like hiding out in a little spider hole at the end onto the ground. Once you at the beginning. I don't even know if she's dead everyone's saying, she's dead castle. That felon her face. Wait. Aren't you? The king of if they don't die in front of your face or not that I make an exception. When a castle falls on your head. What about what about your on graduates? He did. I forget what. Yeah. He said he didn't die in front of our. But he got stabbed center. Mass the same as theon theon got stabbed young got stabbed him. Keep going to live your on coming back. When Jamie was walking up. That was probably I feel like everyone in the world collectively grown when he showed up was oh, stab you ten times here. It's gonna walk away. He's just swimming out of the ocean. Like, hey here. I am guys. Even though he got blown up by dragon, by the way, Tyrians the biggest stable time in tearing deserve. How far was that swim? I reckon it was probably a few miles in in. He was wearing body armor. How about daddy? Just finally now realizing you can just blow shit up attracts. Where was this? This is this is a kind of a problem. I have with like how the last season has gone like that. She just all of a sudden like I'm gonna blow everything up and Hake. She she's supposed to be the like just ruler. She's the fear of people. She just murdered everyone. Nobody episode. She's like, aren't you worried about all the innocent people? She said it's not about these people. It's about all the people of the future that we're going to save. You know, it's crazy if long game trag being like an allegory for the Tomek bomb. Yeah. It's like, hey, whoever whoever has one of them. They can ruling entire world. Nobody else has one. Yes. And then all of a sudden someone else is gonna get one. We're all fucked are what else you got Hank? I wrote Arias gonna kill Danny, by the way. I wrote Tyrian equals dumb. Fuck seared seriously degenerate because when she's dying. That's a classic degenerate move like, oh, no, no. We're good like. Walls are coming. No, those a breach. It's like, no, no, no issues. But she was like she was she had that to generate gambling. Oh, I keep going going going to work out. What was up with the mountain like being able to survive all that stuff that he's basically the monster Frankenstein, he was like Paul Pierce? He took like nine swords. He he put so fucked up that high. That's right new. But then he came back, and then he put one of his whole areas. He just got tossed down the stairs. That guy sucks to. I'm happy. He died the GameBoy will you please tank. Yeah. I don't really care about that that much like a fan thing that I was never that the hound versus the mountain brothers. So it was it was beautifully shot the way it was like the dragon came flying by during it, and they both went out like into a fiery like episode was visually and musically. Once again to very good. How is Danny going to be able to rule like she's going to she's going to have some problems like Jon snow's, not happy with her? She's gonna need like Tony dungee to rehab, her image Arias visor. Yeah. Gloria seems like she's on a mission or are is going to try to kill her get killed and then John's gonna kill gets killed the internet rights. I mean, she's going to our is not going to survive. No, she's I mean, she's the one everyone's kinda rooting for now Saugus Davos lives. I'll be good. I also felt like one of those that they could have like a could have been like forty five minutes. They kinda stretched out kind of like a lot of the season is like they've just been stretching out as far as they can possibly how about by the way aria being like, hey, you can't stay here. And then she just runs those poor people into the detract. She's like you can't stay here walked out. That was the ladies you locked out. Yeah. Spat tour guide just she's killing everyone. Let's see I did feel like they stretched out like aria running around how many different hallways. Can she get lost in over? The course of the last fifteen minutes. She was just covered in soot just running around. Horsing took a while to do you think that so? So you guys both think search Jamie died. I mean, I agree. It is like the classic. We didn't see them die. Now. I know it's shitty way for C today, Danny kilter that you're part of the whole thing. And she dies from a couple of rocks. Bitch. Oh, wow. Okay. That's your that's your. That's your Queen. Right. Yeah. Because she's been the same. She's been the same person from day one. She isn't fucking go mad like Danny did Matty did it has one tire. So wrong. You're so wrong. She was the free of the people, dude. She's she she motherless dragons, she Louis went from city to city trying to free the slaves. And now she's like fuck about the poor people. She literally just blew up all the poor people. You cannot say you can root for all you want. But don't tell me she hasn't done a he'll win for her team tired. Oh my God. So who do you want to win a target dose eight you have to say which one I mean, John, obviously that's such a boring ending though. Like, John snow? The good guy that kinda sucks and is not good at expressing his emotions ends up sitting in the he doesn't even want. It doesn't even want. It doesn't even want. I think it's I think it's gonna be brand. It's crazy. This one more episode is crazy. It feels like they rushed it, no matter. What happens? People are going to be very upset at the law. Oh, yes. Oh, there's no way to end it to make him. We also had I'm trying to think of what else. Oh, yeah. The hound Aaron Rodgers letdown Aaron Rodgers died. He's a losing team. That may be happy didn't show up barely showed up who else who else, Hank. I'm trying to think what else happened grey worm when hammer time like once once they got in the in the recap like he it was funny when John was trying to stop people when they were just killing each other guys. Stop like this. John. I know. Greer dick cut off for nothing. John. So is like slow motion half paying attention in Gaza's walking up to him, and he wasn't even paying attention to slice them. And did that was Johnston a nut show for me is he wouldn't even wanna heal people. He saw he saw were crimes happening. And he was like we shouldn't be doing this war crimes. And then everybody else is doing war crime. So I guess I gotta do it. No. He say that one that one girl saved one girl. Yeah counts. I guess then she got blew up by dragon. We'll yeah. That's everyone literally ever got blown up by drag. Yeah. Hank's Queen the one the one issue. I have all four bagging stuff. So sad is some of them. She also will also blew up her own soldiers. Yuck. Fucking mad doesn't trust Johnny more. Like, oh, what do you understand that though to been left for dead t the horrifies here? Watcher is built off of how the mad king. Her dad was like the worst ruler wanted to blow up all his own people in king's landing, and then we get to this point. And she does exactly what her dad the mad kid, and it's like we're history repeats itself. Targe Aryans are assholes, and they blow everyone. I did not know that because that wasn't included in the six. Yes. So that's what Hanks rooting. Okay. Basically. No whole the whole set up is just like this guy is the worst guy. He tried to blow up all his people, then they had a revolution against them. Now. We're back to square where I just like that. She's got those eyebrows. And the blonde hair. It's just cool to see you're watching. Riding on a dry, Brazil, heroism mess. Let's say let's say you had your children got. Choosing your closest advisors friend zone. King the friend zone. Giora died fighting for you Nelson. Asandra murdered the person who's in your in love with actually has most rightful claim to the throne and people like him more than you. So you have no allies you've no friends. They're all dead. They're lagers your cousin or your nephew. Tell me you go curry, by the way that John snow should get some of this blame because if he just had sex with her they probably she probably wouldn't have gone. Exactly. Yeah. Actually, that's a very good point just sack up and fuck your in and save millions of lives. She would not have gone crazy. Yeah. It's like your money where your mouth is. You know, you can flip out while you watch city burn and be like we shouldn't be doing this. Or you could just squeeze off a nut the night before. Just fuck your in the anti Danny just sixty nine with your aunt. And you could save literally millions of lives that are just standing there. Like, no God's this is too far. He's horny enough that problem. I hate John snow. I'm only rooting for the start dumb dumb question about game of thrones. I'm good for one of these everything. Start to. I mean he's in. Stark. Whoa. Wait. You just you just got yourself in little pickle, my friend talked too much. How guarantees Starks team targe hedging bed. He's refer every ridiculous root for the story lines same. My question is does anybody in game of thrones ever going vacation anywhere? What do you mean? It just seems like everybody's always working Mela Sandra in grey worm had that one planned. Her name's not Mela. Sandra says please stop saying that Mercedes'. Yeah. What else under is the red woman? True. Wow. I just dumped on you, Hank. Okay. What that means? I mean, he king Hank is the king of saying that I mispronounce everything, and he mispronounced a person's character for totally different persons. So wait, they plan to vacation. Yeah. Just never got around to headed. If she got her head cut off extremely really it's makes puts everything into perspective next time, you complain about like travel delays like your plane doesn't go off in time. Just remember that gray were Masada were about to go off to vacation that you. Got her head cut off. That was my other note, golden company worse investment of all time. Yeah. Well, you can't you can't hire sorts like that. They're not gonna fight the same way so half those guys that were fighting were hired hired sorts. Okay. Are you calm sorts? They hired sell sorts with a full confused, call we're talking. Oh. Yeah. Disappeared brand. This will episode Claude something fucking wheelchairs talk people riddles underneath a tree Kate brand. What do you want for dinner? He's telling riddles Al will the three eyed raven sees it all sees everything for dinner, bro. I just wanted to know if you wanna tater tots or not why didn't aria try to change into somebody. That was like right next to him. That is forgot about that. She can do. Yeah. She'll kill someone. I for that tappan. And they're only like two people next survey at this. Well, if she asked to killed them already, and then she can she go take Khyber little smashed skull, though. So funny God dammit that little bitch. He just got tossed. Also, I mean, people have been shitting on the writers share for, you know, not having source material, not being original the fact that they had to go back to the well for the I think that was a little which one. Oh, yeah. Like him snacks is. It worked one time. But you know, either way last last one coming up next week. I don't know. I don't even know what to make of it anymore. Dan, just went met. She went crazy to whatever happens, you cut off one of her friends head, and then all of a sudden she blows everyone up. Well, I not a little excessive. No, she's just like she's just like us. If your best friends get cut off, you would be pretty rational if your nephew wouldn't fuck kill everyone. Get on your dragging kill never by the way. One one little shoutout to drogue on the still left. Yeah. That guy he's meant to do a lot of ship people form. Yeah. But it's fucked up like a whole team on bagging, dude. It's like being the robot. PFC's a robot guy. It's like being the drone it is. You didn't want to kill everyone right told what to do anybody liberating country being greeted as liberators this is now you're all the way in here. Yeah. Hey, cts Hake is now literally Hank you would love our tactics in Vietnam. It's actually called operation king. Lame landing freedom. We'll just blow everyone up and then they'll become our subjects, and they'll love democracy. Once we kill all their people. Talk. All right. See guys on Wednesday. Love you guys, bro. Much love. This is Joan snow. So I seem my load you hit to bend. The knee. I am not. Our two houses allies centuries, you've traveled all this way to break faith, house toga, the pledge you on system may to mind bend the knee on I will name you wouldn't need by declaring himself king of the northern. Most kingdom you own open. I mean, no offense you'll grace. But I don't know you. Myo prison. Note yet. Put my trust in you. Strange. Can you trust in strange? You think about it? I believe you of speech. Hysteria. Having an even mission to me. John H to deal with the king and the no offense. Nothing before nicotine. I'm not doing the.

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Hour 3 - Steve Levy and Rick Fox (06-07-19)

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Hour 3 - Steve Levy and Rick Fox (06-07-19)

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Just that's all you have to say to the players cups in the building, whether you're winning or losing cups in the building, you can think of no better pleasure than if the cups in the building, and you're the visitor, and you make sure that that Cup is not on display for anybody. They don't get to celebrate cups in the building, or if you're the team that's winning. And, you know, the cups in the building just. Little more added pressure their cups in the building. Yes. Paulie Patrick sharp. Good NHL player. He was in the building last night, helping might Trico with the coverage and they asked him about getting the Cup and having the spend a day with it. He was great. He goes, you know, I'd have my kids, we filled it full of ice cream and made a huge ice cream. Sunday out of it. He was I made sure to have it completely cleaned before I put the ice cream in it because you never knew what the Blackhawks player before him did with it. We'll talk to leave. He'll join us coming up a little bit here. NBA TV tune into the NBA finals certainly for tonight. The gametime live NBA finals presented by you to TV nightly on NBA TV poll question. Mclovin. It's brought to you by man versus food on cooking channel did the NBA get a right by spending Mark Stevens for a year and finding him five hundred thousand let's see seventy one percent. Say, yes. Yeah. I think they got it. Right. But if you want to inflict a little more pain on him and you wanna make him divest his interest in this team fine. Would never let him sit courtside at a game again. He's an owner. I hold him in a higher standard higher regard, and he should act accordingly. Well, the poll doesn't specify should it be harder are, are looser. So I guess that result is a little bit could be deceived. Yeah. Point was he find financially based off his net worth, or just fine five hundred thousand because if I work at jiffy lube, and I did that too Kyle Lowry. My getting fined five hundred thousand. Because that's interesting. I think because you're the owner. Right. That's why five hundred thousand he says he's an investor who has investments in the team. Yeah. I don't know if they go, how much is this guy Mark Stevens make it makes two point three billion? That's how much he's worth. All right. How do we make this hurt five hundred thousand dozen Hersholt? He were a billionaire that had no relation to the team. They might not have been able to find him in any way because he just don't know person. No, they would just kick him out. He be able to go to a game again. But, but do they have a sliding scale for you know, if somebody is worth ten you know, if the clippers St. boomer like Walmer is worth, he's worth whatever forty billion dollars bomber trip? Somebody doing the math he'd be fine like twenty twenty million dollars compared to this guy. Yes, mclovin, Chris long was point on Twitter, that only rich people are going to get that close to the court. So it seems like it's a rich people problem. But he decided, you don't know what the people the upper deck might come after players, too. But so you're, they're not going to get five. Nobody who we see on camera. Those games is trouble paying a fine. That is a rich crew. Yes, say, yes, it's going to say only rich people would also be partial owners of a team too. So that kind of goes hand in hand. Yeah. But I don't know how that if any owner does, that is five hundred thousand dollars by way. Packers accepted. Of course, because everybody the everybody's got a piece of the whole fan base is part odor, which is awesome. I mentioned last hour. I don't know. We were talking about the first pinch hitter in baseball history. That was our this sports history brought to you by continental tire. No matter what you drive, where you driver, how you drive attire for you. And I didn't know if it was hey, can you get up there in a pinch and help us or does the manager just pinch the player and say, hey, can you go up there and bet. Yes, paulie back in one thousand nine hundred six according to the baseball guy that included baseball slang pinch hit meant a safe drive with men on base is when the scores closely knitted, it was more so a situational term like we're in a pinch. This guy is a good. Hitter. It'd be Kim to being a clutch hitter is more description of the act than someone coming into the game. Like you didn't pinch hit for someone back in the early nineteen hundreds in late. Eighteen hundreds you were you could be put in the game. But now it's become the act of replacing someone at any point in the game back in the day, according to Christy, Mathewson wrote a book about pitching in a pinch hitting and pinch is more about tight situations. Yes. Mclovin was bullpen is like the, the relievers are like a bunch of cows and a bullpen. Is that what bullpen means to say curiosity with all these baseball? I don't know. Paula can you check on? Boivin plaintains pepper pepper wise. Pepper culpepper. Pepe around here, you know. Yeah, I do. They still have that sign. No pepper played here. No pepper. And that would those two spots can't play pet. No. I know you ever played that growing up. I never called it pepper. But I bet you that, that, that then you're going hand no pepper here fritzy's trying to secure Steve Levy, I put him in the code of silence. And good there. Todd. Yeah. We've got Mr. Steve Levy on. Okay. All right. I'll get leaves here in a moment and your phone calls are welcome say, good morning to our radio and TV partners. Eight seven seven three DP show Email address, DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. He's the popular Steve Levy covering his twenty fifth Stanley Cup final for the mothership is the blues one game five, not without a little controversy and Steve joins us now leaves. Good morning how are you? Good. Good morning pig is where I'm at with my young kids so and talking pepper. That's my first. Okay. Thank you, Steve. That's all we wanted from you have a good flight. I could talk any. Well, okay, there was controversy here. How big a controversy was last night that finish. I'll tell you about two texts. I got one from a Saint Louis fan who recalled the Don Dinkins your call that worked against the cardinals now. So that's the older generation, and then heard from the NFL assistant type was that the, the miscall last night was as bad, if not worse than miss pass interference in Rams saints last year, the NFC championship, so yeah, so those are some of the comparisons from the younger people to the older people. This is a big deal. Dan? And I'll tell you, you don't wanna get too deep into the officiating. Not sure how many people actually interested, you NHL has as depth issue at, at the official referee spot, and they've kind of done it to themselves because of some awful mistakes in earlier rounds. They have put great referees on the bench. So they've ice these guys. And so their weight down their debts chart by the time they get to the Stanley Cup final. And so you're seeing referees and the Stanley Cup final otherwise would not be calling these games. And that is definitely a factor in what happened last night. Okay. Us through the play. Yes. So it's, it's Tyler Bosak and Nola char. The Bruins Chari has the puck and the puck and his skates and Bosak is going forward. And just, you know, it's a trip or it's a slew foot or somewhere in between. And you can even see that Bose active blues as palms in the air already ready to arch to call it the official and the official doesn't make the call. It was an all the Bruins then stop playing because it looked so agreed just that it had to be a penalty called. And so play was allowed to continue on. So it's sort of, twofold, there's no call, you got the one guy already complaining to the ref about being sent to the box, which isn't even happening. And then you have the Bruins sort of standing around and watching what's going on. And that allows David Perron to really beat three Boston players and score the goal which is you know eventually the game winning goal. So look it's a bad look. And Dan this this Cup has been really good. This has been a really special Stanley Cup based allot on the on the teams in the market. Right. Saint Louis has been waiting for this. For so long. This has been a heavy, heavy hard hitting series. And unfortunately you get you get a call like last night. And you know, that's what people are talking about the, the front page of the Saint Louis post dispatch this morning Blair's. You know what a trip? We do love clever newspaper headline. So, but also, I think the blues prepared for penalties leaves. I think they are. Right. So I can't sit here and go boy, what are the Bruins complaining about a penalty should have been called? And I think the blues expected a penalty to be called, no question. And and, and they had their palms near all sorts. The player Bosak of Saint Louis, I think was on his way to for the penalty, and you go, so he's not continuing on either go David Peron to keep playing and score that goal. So the lot of you know, we're going to talk about the call. I get at Boston was dominant in the first period, this game should have been over in the first period. I think they outshot them, you know how even was eighteen to seven, so there's a lot going on unless we're not that far removed from from game three when when Boston and say was seventy two Craig Berube, ED still interim head coach of the blues goes on the attack the next day, then and he goes three steps. Three times in eight minutes, span, he goes, hey, and the first three rounds at least penalized team of the NHL and, you know, he kept banging home that point, you know, and you wonder if it's the booze disciplined, or actually, the way it's being called and in games four and five but Bruins power play opportunities have been cut in half. So, you know, we think Saint Louis, you know, smartened up all of a sudden. Or did he really have an impact on how the officials are call Siri so, and that makes obviously they fabulous fabulous? Peter come Sunday night and Saint Louis to see how that's called. And he Steve Levy from the mothership covering the Stanley Cup final. When Charles comes out when I realized he had a broken jaw, and then I saw that they were fitting him with special globe helmet. Then I said, you know what he'll play like hockey players play. But should we be surprised that he played with a broken jaw? No. And we shouldn't be especially because it's him, right? Hockey players, you know, are a different breed there, the bravest athletes on the planet. I think, and, and while hockey has gone a little soft, you know, we've gone away from the fighting and all of that, they are, are still of the bravest and you'd put chara on top of that list. I think it was going to fighting Steve, if I said, let's take a poll, no names attached. Would would players want fighting back in hockey. Absolutely no doubt. I would save you ran a poll seventy five percent of the players would vote for fighting in well and, and by seventy five percent of the media included, and the fans. The other thing I was curious about this with netting at a hockey game. How many arenas have protective netting? So when pucks fly into the stands, nobody gets hurt. They all have their only in the they're only in the end zones. Okay. Behind the goal, which makes a lot of sense in the NHL has come a long way on this that used to have really short glass around the sides. So that glass has gotten much higher over the years. But the netting is only around the end zone. And quite frankly, Dan, you know you see once you walk in the building. But after you're staring through it for five minutes, you don't even notice it's there and it it's the, it's the way to go man. And, and baseball, I think has to follow that as well. Yeah. That's what I kept telling people and I went to a hockey game and I, I saw the netting and then after a while I didn't even I'm you watch the game. And that's why when I look at baseball and go to, if you put it in, it will become the new normal, and people won't be upset. I totally agree. And, and look looking nowadays, you look around on the crowd, and especially those great expense to seats people on their phone, the whole gun, just not. They're not paying attention. And so it's you're protecting them from protecting themselves. No. That just not paying attention. And, and the NHL you know, I hope they don't they really hasn't been an issue along the sides. You know, behind the pensions, where there is nothing. It's just a little higher glass. But that's, that's probably able to, you know it's probably little, too, and here's a chance to get out in front of it, and look smart. And really nobody gets hurt. Because as you say five minutes into watching the events it disappears through is how many sports centers have you done? Apparently not five thousand waiting for my special, it hasn't happened yet. Well, I you counting re accounting rare. No, no, not rears. I thought two thousand was the magic number that I put up. Elco is at five thousand on obliterated year. Martha was there eighteen years, how could she do twice as many as me? I mean, come on mechanic, maybe cutting rear rear rear twelve times in the morning till the till six PM. You know what I'm coming back to do. More sports. Centres. Yep. This just give me. How many sports I don't we didn't? We didn't do too many sports centres together. Did we not enough? But you were always very kind soul. And of course, the sportscenter, you missed was my biggest down. Oh, no. No. Take that night off of all of them. They had to take that show. And I, I tune in, I think that's when my daughter when my daughter was born in, I just tuned in, because a tune into sports center in Obermann is crying, and I go, oh my gosh. Keith lost it. He's fever broke down. He's crying on the air and I all my God. So I called the assignment desk. I said, why is why is Obermann crying they go? You didn't see it. I go, no go Levy, just said bowl, djing disk it, but he didn't say desk, and I go, oh, no. And I felt so bad. Because if I don't take that night off, then you're just you're just Steve leaving. I mean you're not bowl djing disc leaving. Actually, it's kinda worked out. And I really thought it was gonna fire the day, why don't you start a foundation being noted be caulking, extent that, hey, that was great television. That was twenty three years ago. So what's, like Chris Webber started a timeout foundation? How about a bulging disc people with back issues? The same ring to think what it looked good on hats and t shirt. Yeah, I don't know raise your hand. If you have a bulging disc. We're out just great. I'd rather have the be known for the hockey overtime thing. But that doesn't seem to stay in power as bolting. Yeah. No nobody cares about the overtime. Hey, tell Melrose, we set a low, great to catch up with leaves safe travels, thank you. We'll do you think you about Steve leaving from the mothership twenty fifth Stanley Cup final not counting rears? Of course, their leaves Goodman. And, you know, I will say this about Melrose, Melrose was waving the flag for hockey with the mothership when hockey would be moved down using the third, so you do your your headlines and your big highlights big games, and then there'd be the second tier of big games when you go to break, and then come back. And then in the third part of this sportscenter, then you'd get hockey and use the of being ninety seconds worth. You didn't even get on camera for an on camera lead in, it would just be blues in the Blackhawks. And then you'd go into the highlights and then to scoreboard then highlight scoreboard highlight scoreboard. And then maybe another highlight that'd be a in progress. The ducks. Know then that'd be it, but Barry, Melrose was always always always asking sportscenter to do more on hockey. And when they had it, they did if the mothership had hockey than they would do more, but leaves, and I think it's just a great boondoggle for leaves and Melrose to just go out and have a hoot and cover the Stanley Cup final. I think that's what it is good for them. All right. Your phone calls coming up. Rick, Fox is coming up next. The former Laker he'll join us and we'll get to more of your phone calls. I think we're doing Skype. I think we're Skyping look at us two thousand seven we'll get us new era. Yeah, we're Skyping. I take a break back after this. On the Dan Patrick show in sports at trade can make or break your team a good one community championship, but a bad one can set your franchise back for years. It's no different when it comes to selling or trading in your car, you need to make choices. And with truecar. You gotta star your roster. Just go to truecar enter your license plate number and watch how your car's details pop up. Then answer a few questions. 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I'll say that, but, you know, the, the actor who portrayed Elton John did a great job. But everybody else sings Elton John's songs. Whereas, you know. Randy Malik was lip synching Freddie Mercury, but did a wonderful job in capturing the Queen frontman, yes, well, after the success of bohemian, rhapsody financially, they're going to pump these out every year, as you can see this prince and but gets, like four years from now they'll be doing the monkeys. They're gonna go through everybody. Well, there's no controversy with the monkeys whereas, there's, you know, this kind of behavior with Bowie what kind of sexuality was he prince with who he was on a guns, N roses by OPEC that could be fun. Because everybody got really wasted axel was kind of a jerk. Yeah. And they've been ninety ninety minutes on that basically the story. Two minutes. Rick, Fox is set to join us Rick Fox, the former basketball player, North Carolina, of course, NBA player and played with the Lakers. He's got a podcast. The podcast gaming and east sports podcast available now on podcast one dot com. Apple podcast and the podcast one app. Rick Fox joining us you got three championship rings, right. Rick. I do too in two thousand and two thousand two Wendy wear them. I used to wear them at this time of year, if I attended the NBA finals for the TV when, when I worked with within the TV where the McKay, generally if I go to vet where speaking, because I know individuals a one c it stories stories are great, but they wanna touch feel the actual hardware. If I said, you could only get one ring out of the house. Yes, which ring in two thousand one because the two thousand one run was the fifteen in one stretch where we blew through the first three rounds of the playoffs, and we were as insane as I think I've ever been with teammates coaching staff on the floor, and we almost were perfect in the NBA run up to that championship that year. But it was there was a level of confidence that we stepped on the floor with which was intoxicating and, and something. I never felt again. What about that one loss? Yeah. That was the a six law us were alanon this bananas. We lay off we were slightly, maybe a sluggish Cogan had his best game shack didn't have his best game. And yet, we still went into overtime. That's the game. You see a lot of highlights Iverson, stepping over to Ron Lou, but it was the one that got and they deserved it that night and to this day, I think we could've made on down the greatest team ever forgot undefeated. Gimme a Kobe story. I haven't heard before. Will you probably heard a ton of them ever told you the one? After the preseason game where he stepped onto the bus, and I think he'd scored twenty eight points in the fourth quarter. He had he didn't. He didn't play in the first half was dealt del. Harris didn't play in the first half of the preseason game at twenty eight points in the fourth quarter but he stepped on the bus. And he said to me said, we're gonna get could score seventy three points tonight. Seventy three points to do that. And sure enough, you know, a eight years later, I'm sitting courtside of a Laker game. I'm retired and it's a year out and they're going to army at the game. He scored sixty points and three quarters and that growth or so you'll for eighty one in a game. Oh, that's how you were going to. If somebody's going to score one hundred a game again. Like, we'll did who would be that one person. Currently today. Yeah. I would say James harden are Steph curry is Steph, got on a streak in knocks down twenty three's on and just in a, you know, of fit of, of he checks. And then, you know, at some point team gets so frustrated they start following him to try and stop them in the perfect free. Throw shooters of it goes the other thirty of thirty five points him. How would your best Laker team do against Golden State, while your team? I don't know who's playing tonight, thousands at which one this cake. Okay. Let's say they're all healthy Rick. They're all healthy, and you pick your two thousand one Laker team. Right. Can you step back as an analyst, and be honest in assessing who would I know it's different areas different, you know, different officiating different rules of and get away with and all of that. But let's say the two thousand one Lakers playing today's NBA. Rules against a fully assembled warriors team. Yes. Now, we've done this exercise for myself because I'm so impressed with this current warriors team also finally, enjoying the current style of play of the NBA. It's entertaining. But it's also really, really fast and skill sets are increasingly a better, quite frankly, than I think, even our era when it comes to the range of shooting speed with which they, they conduct offense of execution in his cop court set. So I'm gonna give them that credit to begin with style play is going to be huge physicality is allowed on. They do not beat us. If we can't touch them physically defensively it'd be hard for our air to keep up with them at this pace because they're so fast and so free flowing but I tell you defensively, the game would be decided because they'd have to send half of their team to do anything with shack. A paint? I mean they would just have to literally send three guys do anything there, probably the core frontline with file out in the first half if they did decide to double team, and we had shooters, Krisher, Robert ory myself in wish we're all shooter, so we rarely got open shots when we did we love that knocked him down. I, I look at the ups Derek Fisher on the physicality level would've been aggressively in, in Steph curry, you'd be able to chase him be able to put a body on him physically, which would think would wear where stuffed out of Kobe. Brian, all defensive player would would be able to guard anywhere from two to four interdependent, who's playing that in terms of size matchup, if you're looking at it, and you're saying they're going small, and drain MAs four of five Lynch, wreck who wins this series when the series in our era and we'd have to get away with beating them up in their era right now today. But I definitely think that people forget, how athletic shack lows and they think will shock wouldn't be able to keep up with these guys. I disagree shack ran the floor faster than anyone just as fast anyone on our team. And I think we take that series. Your favorite shack story is what? The day we all had the decide whether or not we were gonna practice with him, but naked because he ran out to the to the fog late for practice in his Justice and nothing else came right into the circle with like kiss. Yes. He loved to do that. And he loves to be loved to, like, hug people, and he's naked, right? Shot, the move, yong-chol drew was in that one. So his ass. Bobby dutiful, I guess. Right. And what are you doing? Are you doing movie on the Showtime Lakers? Or is it a is it a documentary? So it's a TV series with Adam McKay max or seen Jim had great, great director Oscar winning director and show runners from television series. This recapping the, the nineteen eighty Showtime era, and it's a book from Jeff Probyn. Yeah. So in celebrating that era in celebrating the icons from that era in, we really excited about it. I know you doing stuff with each sports, and I, I'm fascinated with this. In fact, the campus of full sail university. They have an eight an e sports program there that, you know, kids, come from all over to actually learn how to do E sports. You have a podcast here. What, what, what kind of captured your imagination with these sports? Personally I just had a love for video games in. It's something that I've done with my kids something doubt my friends throughout my life. I cut my teeth personally competitively twenty six hundred white found the basketball. So that was there among five competitive. Buyer was the pilot light came on their east sportster, meet just I experienced it live. And I didn't Madison Square Garden back in two thousand fifteen and it was in that moment that I saw arenas being filled. I saw a generation that odyssey technology has afforded them the pleasure of playing games on their phone plan on their laptops entertaining themselves maybe differently than we did as kids. We came from the aero down the video game. Trolling get out of the house in in this generation. If you tell them that they'll put it down, pick up the phone play games on there for long. So they want to express themselves. And, and some of the best of the best is like an any the'll have risen to a level where they're entertained to watch the things they do are, are unique in. It's not easy to be done. They are the best in the world. Navigating pay for it. They're sponsored to do it. There's leagues and franchises. And I just happened to fall in love with one of the games league of legends. And I have any sports organization that could piece in that game. We have the best players in the world. And so I I've in that culture bound for the last five years, and I thought we'd do a podcast, the G podcast to celebrate a game celebrate eastwards to talk about things that are happening culturally around video games. Each rick. Fox three time NBA champ, the podcast, the podcast, the gaming in east sports podcast debatable on podcast one dot com. Apple podcast and the podcast one app. We keep trying to get Ray Allen to do a sequel to he got game and. Yeah. Now, Denzel says he's up for it. Really says he's up for it. And I, I asked Ngoni said, I'm fine. He said, get spike and get something going. But I'm wondering what would the sequel be two? He got game. I'll tell you this much. I'm not holding it up either. Sure, sure that I can find some time, which holding up it's been over twenty years, I think you have to generational writing. Neither have to you know you know Jesus shuttles worth is now if self Afaf's baby is now maybe it's not a son. Maybe it's daughter. I think you college basketball today. Maybe his son is figuring out whether to go straight to the pros. I think the storylines Feick is obviously Oscar-nominated writer and directors. He can he can figure it out. I think it's just probably scheduling and timing at I love, I love the idea of revisiting where that character Jesus shuttles worth is conic as he was along with, you know, spike gases would grandfather, that's why gum, Denzel would be probably a grandfather. Suttles word son, getting involved again in his son's life. And what do you remember about shooting that? Oh, I got to beverage, I still have a soda proof of those memories, too. I remember the two scenes that will remember the first time on dishing four I walked in to cashing director's office in New York with spike in and out came a meal. Joke, bitchy auditioned for the character role the of the of the prostitute, and in behind me walked eighteen year olds arguing Dawson elbow. She signed in, she just got off of the show kids TV movie kids, she bent. She asked me to borrow my headphones mental ahead phones to, to get prepared for her scene. And I went and it was Ray Allen Travis best to myself on dishing for these characters. And in the casting office was just spike in Tyler the casting director and we get done with the scene. And we hear this, this clapping in it's neither of them clapping, and we're wondering clapping and in the closet on the floor was sitting Denzel Washington. It was really good. Getting getting the role and the second thing. I remember about that movie was being on set and shooting, probably one of the most I opening scenes for me, as Degan recruiting Jesus shuttles worth the come to tech you, and as a recruit on campus, and I've done this before not to this level, but you show the guys show, high school kid around you wanted to feel good about the school in fall in love and want to introduce them to the young ladies. And in this case to the women that were playing the assistant coaches on entertaining. Jesus shuttles worth with were two famous porn stars. I would never. Apollo ROY with these two women just remember that, you know, I was on set with these two women and I had those Polaroid's to the day how boy Flos pull Monico, I'll Menem's twenty years ago and, and we did the scene in the scene became iconic, it became really icon, IQ in, because everywhere I go now, people want me to recruit them to come to college. I think that didn't happen at North Carolina. When you were recruited. Oh, no. I didn't have that type of recruiting tactics. Hey, good luck with a few things here with Showtime, and also certainly with the podcast. Great to talk to you again. And we appreciate your time as always Rick data anything wins tonight, when's the series ice. I'm saying Toronto. I I just think homecourt advantage. I don't know the health, even if Durant and or clay play tonight. I just don't know how healthy they're going to be. And I don't know. I just get a weird feeling that we've forgotten about Toronto, the entire playoffs and here they are. And then you kind of look up and you go, oh my gosh. You know what? They're pretty good team. Not only that good. I think that the health of it all is going to make is going to be the difference maker in this. When we won three games, we went through champs in a row when you play into June, like the warriors of announcing for the fifth straight year to tack that Huck physically town, the body. We're seeing happy. What actually happened to our team in our forth, run to a championship didn't make I pop attended by foot. Kobe was hurt. Robert ory got her shack got her you fall apart. And they physically by frankly, are all kind of wears of planet June for five years in a row is catching up with if you had your life on the line, and you can have already take the shot or Kobe take the shot. Is a shot that an absorbed, putting grandma's around? Does he have to create a shot himself now or no? No, no. He doesn't have to create a shot because that would be easy to. You would take Kobe there. So spot up three game. Your life is hangs in the balance Robert ory Oreo or Kobayashi. Robert ory Oreo, every time all really every time, okay? All right. You're going to hear from Kobe. Got to create it. Get it off goes. Oh, yeah. They definitely that. Hey Rick, thank you. Good luck, and always great to catch up with you. Thanks. That's Rick Fox, I told you some stories you know, the fact that Koby gets on the bus after a preseason game and says, I think I could've gotten Seventy-three like what and shack always loved to do that, that he would just come out in his shoes and nothing else on, and he run on the floor and practice in any start telling. Paulie didn't use the bathroom next to shack one time. Yeah. Last year at urinal and, you know, I got the bad left. I I just I told us on air before. Guys, we were all together at some party Kim. Or what party we got to go, drew premier premiere and I go to the bathroom. There's two urinals. I'm on the right urinal. I can't see much out of my left eye. But I could see a tall guy, went into the urinal next to me. There's a lot of tall guys at his party drew party line any players, and I don't really notice anything and then the door swings open, and I hear paulie for whatever you do don't look to your left, and it was Reggie Miller. And I, of course, I looked to my left and their shack urinating. Don't look down. You'll never recover from it. And I'm laughing shack laughing and I did not look down to my left if you miss any of our celebrity interviews this week from the Mercedes AM, man cave. Go to the Dan Patrick show app where you could watch and listen from inside the Mercedes G men, Cape. Mercedes in g driving performance close up shop after this on the Dan Patrick show. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife drop off, the dry, cleaning pick-up, some milk figure out something to get out of the house. So I can relax here's an idea. 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Rick and Morty Companion Podcast Live: EPISODE #409  CHILDRICK OF MORT

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Rick and Morty Companion Podcast Live: EPISODE #409 CHILDRICK OF MORT

"America this is the adults in podcast. Rick and Morty Companion Edition Matt Harrigan with Me Maxime Semi. Yes ever the professional. What's the term for wasn't south homeys and welcome back to? The Rigor Mortis podcast. Of course we're all here today. Rick and Morty furrow nine. We're talking about tonight. Children gathered here in our virtual world. We've got the guy who wrote it. James Cecil no James Welcome. Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to not be here. Leave background designer. Robbie Irwin Welcome. Robbie thank you for having me slow. The Post Supervisor David Marshall. Hey everybody we might get Kyung Hee Lim the director will I just got tax? Immerse says if it's a good enough podcast episode. She's GonNa drop in so all right. It's up to the listeners. Call and ask your questions. Seven zero eight seven nine four six three eight six. We get lots of questions. People are confused people in. They can't believe they've gotten through and they panic in a hang up. This is us. Yeah podcast live. Let's get some questions here. We go episode four or nine. Rick and Morty. The family comes back. We'VE GOT SUMMER WE'VE GOT. Jerry we've got Beth. What does that title mean? Alfonso Koran children are men coincidence tell who can tell us about the title. Yea I picked the title. I think maybe people think we I mean we have fun coming up with titles. Usually I don't know if you've noticed we try to put Rick's name in their and mortars name in there this one. I was going for something that had children in it because obviously Rick Fox planet and has a civilization of rickets. It was more yet. Children and men is what I was going forward but obviously the plot is different than children. Aman so just looking for a misleading use of children in a title. The titles often have all our let me rephrase that. Always have nothing to do with the plot or some- not always definitely studio title selection process now. I'm curious the first half of of the season for the first half four. It was a day where I know. Part of the day we pitched on titles Which was very funny And this back half. I think we just kind of the the. The Writers Pitch Pitch on them sometimes. the writer themselves will pick one. It really depends on the episode For my episodes I personally just give them temporary names until they stick and then I will name them. So that's my process personally but Wendy at depends on the episode Wednesday name. Come in normally when this this one was called the production this one was called baby on it so And then like the earlier one in the season we're just called space snakes So in production we typically just give them production names and a very last minute. Sometimes like we're like oh wait. What do we call this pursuit? I honestly don't even like never rick. And morty I had to look up what the actual name of that one was was just called train and I'm trying to think Gloria was Glorioso That was bad. This one's baby planet and I will not say well most be aware of the title of a show but I mean unless you read it in the TV guide like it doesn't do you think we ought four people more or less aware of episode titles in the Year Two thousand twenty which is when this is taking place. That is a question for someone else I I I. I'm not aware of titles but I think that's part of why we have fun with them. I think that that helps you. Know is like we just kinda give them funny and silly names and a lot of times. They do have to do like visually some way with the episode but sometimes more than order more than last. Sometimes you have a lot to do with it. We got someone on the phone with us in the meantime name. Where are you calling from Logan? Virginia Logan and right here with me so we just want he Want to say that The episodes for these last five been ramping up in this woman was one of our favorite ones so they've been getting better and better seemingly Curious 'cause we haven't seen a lot of like Continuity episodes aside from evil morty and I was wondering if there was anything in this one that we should keep our eyes peeled for. I mean my my take on. That would be like this. Season doesn't have an insane amount of serialisation as certainly compared to season three which family got. The parents got divorced and that was a lot. There's a lot more serialisation in that I would say as far as the story goes like this. This one kind of touches on where we started season for which was Beth and Jerry. Were like happily married and rick was in a low status position. And and this you know we're getting into the end of the season in this kind of episodes where it Kinda questions where Beth in. Jerry are at in their relationship. Beth kind of ails on Jerry. Very quickly to go right back into the abandonment issues. She has with Rick and they have a pretty good moment there so it has a little bit to do with just the season of. Where's Rick and end this? Is HE GONNA be back onto? Is Beth and Jerry going to be happy like the at? That's kind of the what I would be looking for and with the kids as well right like They're they're shared dynamic between you know not just themselves but their parents and then also rick right yeah getting a little Yeah exactly and how they treat Jerry and yeah I mean maybe they should be hanging out a little bit less with Rick who knows Summer summer lays down pretty hard on jerry there which is really rough because the first time reading the script I was like thrown off as why me everyone mentioned its main. Yeah we you know. We added a little bit more high rotating in there in the beginning On Jerry's part. But yeah she she. You know it's it's a little mean it's it's it's a little teenage tanks coming out. Yeah at the end. Jerry just comes back and she's like really kind of Nice. It seemed like everyone ended up the opposite of where they started morally. Yeah their issues. Is it important? Do you guys feel like you have to have like you have to bring the family into episodes or do you feel pressure to not due solely sort of ric. And morty centric episodes people seem to be chatting about the fact that the family. We haven't seen much of the family. Now we do at a conscious decision or just happenstance in the room. We we do. Think about trying to service All the characters Rick and Morty so we tend to try and get those stories First and foremost typically a rick story will be on the east side of the story. But not always but yeah. It was really fun to get the whole family together in an episode. I mean I don't know if we've done like a full off world adventure with the family before I don't think so but it's we do try to include everybody but we at the end of the season usually when we're writing we're like okay. Have we had enough stories with all the characters? And should we pitch on more? We think about it. You're on the line. The Rick and morty companion podcast. We're talking about a planet fuckers. What's your name you calling? Loops are Antioch over whether walked in Michigan And I'm I'm calling because I noticed a lot of anger entangled with the farming of the planet bastard children you guys wrote in and I was wondering how that has to reflect your Ecstasy Financial World Alrighty. Thank you Lisa. How does this out is the I was GONNA ask that? I'm glad she did. Yeah how does that reflect your existential and you guys can talk a little on this. Because I'm sure you're all existentialist speaking has an existential list I think You know just I guess just speaking personally. Yeah like you see you know all these recruits. They're just blank templates like we all are at some point in our lives and were put through this machine that seems in many ways designed toward specific outcomes. You know what I mean. If you're geared a certain way mentally you're GONNA wind up a poet or an architect or an existential list or a podcast right. Those are the options well when it came to a presenting the the world of ringlets Robbie in the tombs. They go through. And where you where are you coming from? And trying to make that as Stripped bare in a blank slate. Self I don't know I'm pushing too much onto it. But the tubes that they live and go through it where you're coming from yeah the initial direction of the pitch. We got does design launch. Was it supposed to be like a giant Chico machine? So and that's all remembers the giant Jink machine so I look into what machines were myself got you think. Oh no no no no he was Pacheco own. Basically it's go with. Yeah Yeah spoke and so doing that. We had to figure out how we are going to engineer this machine to catch all these records and then incorporate the idea of this giant Pachinko machine in this system that organizes all the lights and That's with every episode is trying to problem. Solve an engineer. How we can make this work with the narrative. That's going on and and make pedological but Left like hyper of realized. I guess as a Sifi at the same time and That's one of the pleasures working on is also one of the hardest parts of designing for the show trying to problem solve. How are we going to make this look like workable if it within the narrative and yet still keep it a simplified to the point we can make it make it within the timeframe of the production so and then that goes with backing to the world to itself designing that? I was telling someone the other day. Were we try to take something? That is relatable like this stuff. The planet is solve the trees the ground plane and everything we tried to take that and make it relatable in something that you know you recognize but then also different because we go to so many places locations that it feels new and so you're always that balance of of experimentation what works and what doesn't in the with this with this particular planet was like it was all about the camping and in the Chico machine and so just trying to make that feel debatable but also new and Saifi. Yeah I think this season we went to whenever we go off world. We're seeing a lot of really different stuff like you look at like the planet For the toilet episode versus this camp place it feels much more sort of you know self contained and like you have to sell it as like a person to right because it's in Humi. Oh Junkie them talk. Hi You've worked on some of the most famous animated shows ever everybody's so genius. Yeah come on Bob's Burgers Family Guy King of the hill. Now the yeah. I'm lucky look in Washington. Yeah Jayme I don't know very lucky. I just going to wake up something for my bed in what happened to we in the first hour I feel to. Yes no no think about it just you guys is GonNa With English library like air for me whenever the script. Even I already told James Three times to I understood everything Starts Pro Myself? Ide- did myself. Ooh Yes sir I can. He days. I can see you guys know what's going when you look at this episode. You look back on it fondly. Do you look back on it with dread. What are your emotions in a left? Anything is actually the most one of the very normal episode accessory games that yeah go back to season three when I started as story was Dropped wet the heck is best minded thinking about visit this t sheets when it's very. Yeah exactly when I just watched some family guy. Is this really shocked but business winning bed not even not even close? No I totally prima slow person Working candidate Hugh okay. I don't have any place to go. Siamese to joy this ugly join bad act to to later and we'll up they show is twenty thing. This is genius. I am so proud because I'm so old I have grew up with. I have grew with Grew up with. It's totally different culture in Korea in but I just totally problem myself. Either be proud. Yeah absolutely this is a great episode for sure yet totally I love that. I really love this my first lovely show to me. You're on the line right now with the Rick. And morty companion podcast. We're talking about this episode. My name is Gabby. I've been watching. Rick and morty since the beginning and I absolutely love it I just Kinda WanNa know because I said he had a nation. How do you guys come up with such crazy and fun ideas up with such crazy fun ideas? You mean from the aesthetic point of view even just the writing from from every point of view like the creatures that are needed for example bringing Zeus into the show was was brilliant idea and it was just interesting to watch for. How do you come up with that idea? All right thanks so much for the question. I'm going to piggyback on that too. I had a question about Zeus. Is there a larger narrative that Zeus or a race well to be determined It certainly would seem that everyone. He's as Zeus if God really exists and there are Zeus is and was. That's God's are their gods in the multi she would. You would think so right. I mean Rick Rick has called himself a God and he fought a God. References that there's a god and that's uses just as Zeus. But Yeah I. I think that there certainly could be God's in the multi verse mom and as far as just coming up with ideas. It's we pitch a lot of ideas and a lot of stuff gets thrown away. A lot of stuff gets shelved until we can use it later until we find the right way to use it. Space snakes was an idea from season three that we found a way to crack it open and season. Four is. It's just. There's just a lot of a lot of ideas. We talk about a ton of stuff at least on the writing side and then the arts site is just mind blowing. What you guys do. It's just crazy the amount and I'll just let you guys talk with the amount of character designs and are an art and props and stuff that we get as options to us. Not even let we pick. Just the options are unbelievable. It's so cool It's it's so cool like this stuff that we write the art get so elevated Knowledge you guys talking on that but it's yeah it's amazing. How many sketches we get through on each launch for every episode hundreds of drawings between characters a- backgrounds and props and The stuff that comes on my God. I wish week it uses but it ends up sometimes. Getting you know changed altered for the better but there's so many interesting ideas and it's just a combination of sketching and bouncing ideas off of everybody and that's what's great about this crews were able to like pitch an idea to the art director of the lead and say. Hey this might work for the shot. What is the director where the rioters think and then it's just When the grace collaboration I've ever worked in but it's just processes sketching sketching. How does the filtering work internally for like you Robbie and Cuny when it comes to like you mentioned backgrounds elements or props? That don't look like they'd work. Technically how do you guys decide that and then filter what ends up being sent to actually That is something we everybody is this. Work kind of positivity in an nobody's perfect so everybody's got their own parts in. Sometimes we need to this In the writers had Sopping wet. He just expected and what he's thinking about it. And so usually the Designers Pre Zayn with the Ryder first. And then just trying to use deadline sometimes. Can we have out off of your own in the last work and in something so we always discuss it with Canada in in just I can take the Greider in they can take. Yeah maybe disconnect just shape on of these yet. So it's Kinda positivity that is the best answer yet now redesign go out will have the board lodge and the writers. Sometimes James will say well this work but I can imagine it better this way and just go through a bunch of different revisions and We might start off one point completely and on the polar opposite but it always ends up being something really cool and then at the end of it all when when the data comes in when he's doing all post and the animation that he does stuff that I've seen that just completely makes that even better so if he wants to talk about that I'd love to hear some of that. I could brag. Can I brag about you? You helped put together the rick and Morty Simpson's couch gag Yes yes I did. Yeah I was a ton of fun to work with and you know I mean it's the simpsons right like dream come true for right but anyway getting back to what Robbie was saying as far as like wanting things to feel real practical in some way you know. That's that's really how we try and approach things on our. We've we've got our script. We've got all of the directors notes and everything like that and when the show comes back from our amazing animation studio in Canada ardell entertainment shot barbell after. That stuff comes back and We take look at it. We get everybody's notes in A. We're really trying to push the character stuff. That's already existing in the script trying to make sure that characters are interacting with each other in a believable way. A way that can sometimes you know? Sometimes there's a lot going on in a in one scene. You know what I mean like. Rick and Morty can be in a scene but it's actually Beth in who are having the interaction and so it's trying to keep everyone alive and looking like you know like they ought to and interacting with each other in the way that they should And then when there's like special effects work and stuff like that like in this episode we had that glow around Zeus. We've got a lot of blood effects we've got love. We've got all kinds of stuff going on and you know we try to approach that stuff. Where like this looks great? This is working. Can we lift that up? Can we really emphasized like so the the glow around Zeus when we got back from a talented and amazing animation? Studio Barbell Entertainment. We just really wanted to push. This is a moment you know when Rick's gone up to the clouds and they're going to have a showdown now. This is this is it. This is what we've been building up to since since the end of act to you know this is we're here. We're going to see. Rick fight a god or whatever right so we need those steaks to be high he to feel divine. He needs to feel like this is not going to be an easy fight for Rick who we've seen you know do impossible things over and over and over again you still want there to be some tension there you still want to be able to. You know say man Rick really done done it this time. So yeah that's that's how we approach that kind of stuff. This might be nerdy inside baseball. Talk but you guys have like procedurally generated liquid physics stuff that you guys use. I've been I've been really into checking out like the way the streaks work in the water in the river when Jerry was like being pushed down it. Those are some really amazing Hand-drawn effects Better done we're really lucky to have some very talented artists working on that stuff. We do keep a library of some affects. Some they've if we find something we like the Look of particularly. It's always nice to have that in your back pocket for when you get a you know a very late rewrite that needs to take place in some sort of ironworks foundry or takes place in some other crazy battlefield where you're gonNA need all kinds of explosions and lasers and stuff and you're not gonNA have time to draw that stuff purpose just for this one very quick thing so yeah we do. Keep a library of some stuff. Speaking of that fight scene at what point in the process was it decided that not only would it be kind of a longer? Just straight up fist bite but that it wouldn't even have music. I think that's that's the production 'cause like I you know we we as writers like to try and let the artist go nuts as we say And this was certainly like they get in a fight. Here's a couple. Here's a couple things that they could do. But it's really just amazing to see it. Come out and how long it went on for. Did you specify in like stage direction? There's no music it's just. I didn't but I think the only direction I had I maybe I don't know if it was in the scripture just verbally but just that I wanted to feel like brutal and almost low tech that it was like a fistfight between two dads like like in a in a in a baseball parking lot or softball game. I wanted to just feel almost non sci-fi because it was just two dads Bad too bad dads so fight. A streetfight streetfight. Yeah just the mass fry your child. Yes children's sure. How'd you how'd you? How'd you done then rope? Everyone into kind of make that same as visceral as it was. How did you? How did you orchestrate communicating that? Everyone who working on the episode. Sometimes we have our own Non Christian Indians on. We have the to become a three times Huge meeting when it will at some cushion in just jumping around out. That's as Jane. Something's Robbie's jihadism. Yeah and everybody just yeah. We got someone on the phone right now. I believe there from New York. Oh yes This is Avi from New York. The show is had fancy elements in the past. But there's more this season and I was wondering not saying fancier for James. Do you in the writers discuss how much fantasy you put in the show. And will we see more stuff like Zeus Bite and the Dragon episode of the future Fantasy we don't I mean we don't outwardly. Say we need a little bit more fantasy this season. We Yeah We obviously we we. We like to put it in. I mean we do try to steer more towards sci-fi than fantasy I think it's more in our wheelhouse But as far as I can quota or like what we think we might need in the future or in the season the helicopter goes by we I would say it just depends it really depends on the episode and the season But certainly I mean fantasy ideas get pitched as discussed and sometimes they start fantasy and wind up becoming more sci fi or the other way around. I think one of the really great things about just. The premise of the show is that in ricochet said things to this sort of direction before but the like an infinite universe. Like all that fantasy shit is sci-fi. Yeah Yeah and I think. Rick also doesn't at least by his own. Admission doesn't respect. Fantasy doesn't respect magic. So it's yet something that he has to encounter. Have yet he still right exactly? He's still it's still part of the world so to speak the universe. The multi-diverse it. It is something that exists and that dynamic between his hard Scifi Shit and of it fantasy stuff like some of that stuff is is my favorite stuff for sure on the line on on. I'm young from New Orleans. The ship that they discovered when they were looking at what? What was that stuff? She was Huffing out of the barn looking at Brad. It's collect what's you active knowledge of their species. I think it was like that but species was that as the caller and is that something you guys know. Is there little background. Lorsch like that that you track in a giant side. Bible called the Bible for that particular one. I'm not sure. I mean. Certainly their skeletons of the pilots. That if you want to go back and take a look at you might be able to do some reverse engineering and come up with a story there But you know an early draft in an early draft. I had had that ship be like seekers and they had like painted a clouds in like a like had painted in blood like visions of juice cloud on the wall and there was in a in a early version. It was like maybe that they had crashed while looking for God on the planet we simplified it a little bit to Kinda open up what they could have crashed there. Four but who knows aren't exists. Great Question Rat Wall and chat asks how much if any discussion was. Had about the question. How do you fuck a planet? This had to have come up right. I mean I don't know if we discussed as much how you fuck a planet as you can fuck a planet. Certainly you can. There was a scene earl that got cut the boards where we saw how Rick fucked the planet. Walk us through that scene. Why was it cut really unnecessary timing? Don He wanted to walk them through that scene or a bit. Just like didn't cut to like Rick Rolling the over by an orifice that he finished. Yeah Yeah as the. Yeah and his kids. Were there serenading him after that? He's Assia Scott. Yeah isn't that similar vein? Though you still show the planets kind of cervix thing. How much discussion about that being snp appropriate and how many kind of ideas were thrown out for that. At first maybe helped us get to the whole we have today. We definitely get plenty of. Snp Not ideal with all of that stuff They're pretty cool about this one. You know I think whatever your you know drawing reading into that whole that's on you from the creator of orphaned. Black comes an all new series? Tnt sacrifice Snow Piercer to seventeenth only on TNT explore the world of Piercer at WILFORD INDUSTRY DOT com. How do you deal with people in real life when they come up and they work on the show they freak out sometimes or do they say sometimes they want to give you a hug? I don't know you guys have gotten that. But they WANNA give you a hug Xers and I'm like I just draw on the show. It's really not that important but you know it's it's humbling. You know the thing that we were on something that this many people like and that makes me feel really good and I Proud of that that it touches so maybe in so many ways you know. I don't read it sled dog. I moved through the world like a ghost. A but what's really interesting is like walking behind people and I realized. Oh they're talking about rick and Morty. They're talking about that episode that we just finished and hearing their reactions and stuff. That's that's that's really cool. Yeah I think my favorite is the secretive observation of people enjoying it. That's that's the best thing is when you just are observing people in enjoying the show And obviously the people that I've interacted with fans have been really awesome. So it's been it's fun to see. There's a review I saw wrench mentioned a rare. Dynamic of morty acting like a little brother frank to his sister Is that a conscious choice in the script. Is that just something that comes up. More IN SUMMERS RELATIONSHIP IS I. I mean I love. I love summer to. She's just such a cool character but their relationship really is very wrong. It is unique in the show in that. Obviously they can bus each other's balls and be sci-fi and crazy but really. They do probably have the most normal realistic interaction between the two of them. I mean like they are brother and sister. They fight And and talk to each other. I mean you know even back to season one Shows summer the bodies in the backyard. they have they have some of the most real like family moments. I think in the show it so was it a conscious choice to kind of have that. Come out not not particularly while I was writing it. Just it fits with family going on a vacation. Though I mean I I think about when I you know going on vacation with my brother and you're kind of trapped in a situation when you're when you're with your family. So how many on the animation end of it? There is some of that stuff that we try and play up if like so so in the story Summers the one that initiates them leaving the camp site going off on their own trying to find rick so she's the one that's made that decision. That's a very big sister kind of decision and so you can sort of play up that aspect without hitting it on its head going. I'm the little brother. You're my older sister by like having characters so summer needs to leave the scene before mortars he needs to be falling behind her when when rick or when when she's talking to Jerry he needs to be reacting but she needs to be the focus of the scene keeping him in the background emphasizes that that that little brother aspect of it and I think that bit by those kinds of aspects to it to the acting and to just just straight up. Just simple editing stuff I think really plays up that kind of character stuff. I make sense what was development process visually for the primordial earth children. What's the noise? They say when they come out I am I am I am. They looked like gingerbread to the exit. Gumby Gumby Gumby like very like four Earth Earth Clay people so the directions was They should look like they came out of like a cookie cutter or something right. Yeah yeah they add like sharper edges of point of the soften everything out so it's easier to enemies stuff but again what do you mean they had sharper edges it walk? It is a dave we expand on it but initially designed had a lot of hard corners and edges to them in the initial designs. But David I you can explain better how it's hard to enemy versus short out. Does well. Things are round All right so can stupid technical this. Nobody has a sawn because we ended so so Rick and Morty is a vector based puppet show so So you take a hand right so the palm here and this is GonNa be really bad for the audio portion of the podcast right okay. So you've got your your the you're listening to this right now. Picture a poem so the palm is one part. The thumb is going to be one. Part of the thumb is going to be broken into this joint and this joint right so if something is round and it has to bend then it's GonNa look more natural than if it's a hard edged if it's hard edged you're gonna see things like seems and it's just going to look digital. It's not going to look good when it's moving. That's the simple answer. Only so the original characters were sharp is sharp rises. Yeah detects that and says you have to change everything you think. It was far del Greg. I'm wrong gated but news yet. This is going to be impossible to to to enemy all these guys and make it feel good so many right. That's that was the biggest challenge for the episode. Was just how much you have on screen. Never Shot Rangel physicians of crowds to make sure the focus goes in the right place. Because there's a lot of big lots of people in some shots in Rick. And morty every once in a while well we really you know Cuny and her fantastic board team like we're we're really just following what they're doing. That's that's always the note that I'm giving out to. The team is like what's look at the boards and see what it is. We were going for originally. Why didn't we get there So whenever there's an adjustment that's that's really you know sort of art. Our North Star is what the directors are trying to do so cuny desist actually the first time when I just got to scrape them in the surviving directors of West said. Can you get it can you? Can you just didn't say anything in Sabato just our toll. I'll tell James in James. Yes finally just rearranging. I asked him to. How many times did you wrote this in a he said times. Yeah firemen five rewrites before it went up so okay finally it's it works Complain every single episode to grow the do that sometimes got really pissed in high this show to the adult oversee Yet and something but anyway we need to do okay. We need to do this when Last work in very active. So sometimes it's really to avoid really really. Huge crowd thinks anything's The first lovely shot is actor. The regulars is gonNA shoot to air and the full down. Be a crater less. Try to disconnect showing the Wet Bay looks like in a very effective than not human thinks. Is that esteem. My favorite part in apt to just GONNA act to so many weeklies in jail. Generalists IS GONNA start fighting this. Why shot for everybody in Throw every single stuff. So Yeah Yeah. That's a great point. You can really do a lot by just clearly setting up the geography to start with you. Establish the crowd and then you show where each of the difference see clouds are and then you don't have to show it every single shot you don't need to see twenty different ricketts fighting in the background every single shot. You can choose your battles. Where's it going to give us the most bang for the buck absolutely? Yeah I remember the fourth I think the fourth draft I let production usually let them read an early draft? Sometimes and I remember Mandell. Might Mandel may recipe's FLAMENCO's office in saying this is not producible. This is fixable We can't make this so yeah I mean so in in many says you can't do it. It's it's on producible might have to Redo it now because everything is unpredictable. Until it's not I mean we basically what it means is okay for from my point of view how can we I? How can I rewrite stuff to make things smaller but the same? And how can we work with production to make things? More contained used background elements to cheat things And I put in quotes like how do we make it? Work is the kids and in after the shooting and then go down to the busing machine. Things is going to do on my God social less to this. This one is a chocolate factory. Just do it. One time one cycle on indesit make everybody's just in case okay that's right like an optical illusion that's what cartoons are. Ed already there frames per second were brains fill in the movement and we can also fill in geography of space. Yeah you totally do. Yeah that's how we make. Our show is on season four right now. Like where you're watching would be probably unpredictable for any other show. I mean the amount of the amount of stuff and assets and the cinematic elements that we pull off is just because of the people that work on it. I mean the and you know and adult swim does a good job too but it's would-be unpredictable for probably any other show or certainly a young show. It's very intense and awesome awesome. Seems to come up a lot that you guys The crew seems to often go above and beyond that beyond what's necessary they go for what's entertaining but there's tons of outtakes and everyone wants to know where these outtakes and how do people see them. Are they actually animated outtakes? There's very little stuff that we bother animating. That doesn't make it into the show. There are things that get rewritten. Sort of there are things that are floating around where it's like an entire be story almost completely change so that stuff's animated. You'd have to ask Justin Dan. Max S Dan. Hey Dan here on the line with US right now dancing. That song is Dan. Dan Dan Right. He's saying the song to how does that come about that. He's decides to sing it. He's seeing it as a SPEC and will fill in later does he. That's a great question. You should have our amazing talented sound people on Talk About Jessica ask revenue for s cameras. That's all writers and that's why there's all these musical episodes in cartoons. It's the dirty little secret of the cartoon. We'RE IN FOR THE ASK. Mike to see belly. You're on the line with the twenty companion podcasts. What's your name where you calling from High This is John Calling from Texas. Hello John a question John. Yeah my question D- guys make a conscious effort to younger writers or just new new belied I kind of felt like a bunch of like you know like current like pop. Culture references like misuse of fuck boy micro dose before. Yeah You know kind of like a spaceship thing with appropriate meatiest dead space type thing You guys like try to try to young right here in the room. I mean I think it depends season to season. We always have some young people in the room. For sure it depends on the season and the room But certainly we always trying to bring in New People. We have some that we have a wide range of all extremely talented people Better range from newer writers to experience more experienced riders It just depends on the season so we had some really really great talented writers across the Board on this one and as far as microdosing and stuff like that I mean I wrote it so I look at me. I don't know how I am but I mean know we're we are. We watched the same stuff. Is everybody so you know it's It's just it all gets absorbed. WanNa do what you guys do. So the four of you. How would you respond to that question? How do people get to do what you do? Well I think like Cuny and saying it can feel like pure luck allotted times maybe most of the time for me anyway but There's there's lucky and then there's being ready for when you're lucky you know what I mean. you just Keep working and keep doing it and eventually you've impressed the right person or right person makes the mistake of giving you the right job. Yeah you just put one foot in front of the other is a lot of a lot of luck and and then talent is the other twenty percent. But it's giving that chance it somebody giving you the chance to show your your worth and and when you do get a chance to really invest put forward in. Hopefully you've done your homework beforehand to really prove yourself. Prove your point but it's all about just continuing to try for that goal. I'm I didn't start. I went back to school when I was thirty. Eight to finish my degree and I had written Auchan an animation years ago so to come back and be a little bit now is is is is such a gift. So it's it's just a perseverance and continue to try and work hard. What you WANNA inspiration. Yeah I mean that. What they're saying is across the board right. I mean yeah you got you gotTa be good to be. Lucky lucky to be good but you more than anything. You have to be prepared and work hard. I mean like if you want to be a writer. The first thing that I would say is well the first thing I would say is. Don't be an asshole be nice. Yeah and the but the specifically for a writing like you gotta right and you gotTa right and right right and write and your writing for yourself in the beginning and it's probably gonNA suck but you have to be you have to right so that when you meet someone that gives you a chance to read something that you have something but before you even get there you probably need to start at the bottom as a PA Production Assistant And be you know. Be Grateful to be working on a show. And it's the lowest position. And you'll be getting launcher restocking fridges. And making coffee but you get to learn the business and and again once you want someone gives you a chance than than make the most of it count. Hey how about you? What's your take Same kind of things started to Bettina in career and then I'm the second animator in Ezzor Women so I know I have a little help talented the that I disconnect yet to step by step in his other knee in people start to notice me in. I can do everything so. Yeah then yeah just GONNA Kick Garden. Why would just whenever you can do and you want in try it yeah. Nobody's perfect in. Yeah the luck will with you guys. So just do it. Do you think now that you've successfully accomplished an episode with three storylines and a giant God figure who crashes into the service CRATER OF LIVING PLANET ORGAN. Expect too much from now on everything crazy all the time. Do you want to scale back and go chill for the next project? No Baby No. We're never GONNA chill out. No actually this. This show will be my last actually. Yes yeah I already told the producer? Maybe nothing's happened to me and is going to be my last ricky. Maury will be run seriously. Is On top Junkie Limb James Sicilian Robin Irwin. David Marshall Coming on guys. Thanks you gave away. Join US live next Monday at ten PM EASTERN ON ADULT SWIM DOT COM or the from APP and ask your questions. We'll be talking about the grand finale of season four. Subscribe to the podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts. As always we'd love to hear from you. Adilson podcast at gmail.com. Thanks to Christina larger for producing this episode special. Thanks to Steve. Levy for organizing all of this and thanks to you the listener for listening you think of that. Max had that. Go Fun time. I really liked. I really like David talking. Mama's wanted to ask him about a roster images versus vector thought. It would be cool to hear him. Explain it because I feel like he would hate himself for explaining it but then explain it anyway and it would have been cool was interesting hearing. I'm talking about the rounded characters in the pointy character. Totally makes sense though. Because like if you bend those limbs like and you don't have something around to cover up the hinges of a puppet you know. Imagine if you made a puppet just out square image of whatever you got off the exploited it. I like to get into the nitty gritty of it The callers pretty good. Yeah some of the best callers. We've had one more one more next week wait.

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Local Hour: Catching Up With Izzy

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

34:17 min | 10 months ago

Local Hour: Catching Up With Izzy

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I quickly equalize Pizarro again and then I score thinking that I put it away with Andre Silva who has like fifty goals on the year so then they equalised to but I have the away goals then I score at then they score then I score Gebriel so so. It was just unbelievable. We're off to Turkey against either Real Madrid or PS G. The team morale is through the roof after the press conference. Everyone seems motivated. We've already qualified for the League Bundesliga but a razor set on European football again if I win this Champions League. Don't think there's anything else that I can accomplish at Frankfurt. Maybe time to take the dream job over in London. Who knows he is he? I haven't to K- my career going but it's not clearly as exciting as you're gonNa tell me all about it. In fact all of this is going to be in the podcast. So tell me about your K- career going going on right now. Well Anthony's career and your coping. Yeah you know a lot of play by yourself right yeah But you're not on the court at the same time you're just like alternating correct. Yeah Okay because being on the court at the same time co-op that's a tough low would be at started off with the Pelicans right. Because I'm thinking you know Zairan skewed yet dishes often finish playmaking shooting skills on them and I don't know if like MBA two KS. Just set for this or this is the way their their program goes but Zion got hurt during the season. Of course I last time. I think I did my career. I was with the box. Janas got hurt but you know one rookie of the year. No congrats championship with the Pelicans. Your first year last year when a championship fo- fo- fo- fo- swept through the playoffs away. What is your difficulty? You don't you don't believe I think they make a little easier the first year because things are like even even when you get to like certain levels at practice to earn stuff. It's just easier your first year. You don't WanNa Challenge. I like it being hard like I was cruising through. Honestly I never check the level What saving level that. We play You know we play against each other and you gotta you gotTa switch. The difficulty is for instance when I took Frankfurt over debris should Dortmund and I beat them six zero. Something needs to change here. This is far too easy. I need more of a challenge so that I said it to world class and then all of a sudden I'm getting drilled by vertebrae men and I'm like okay. This is sort of what I wanted I wanted. I want this to be hard if I win. This Champions League honestly izzy. It isn't top ten gaming achievement of my life. I once took the timber wolves to meet Obama in the White House and NBA. Two cats. Yeah I've got a valium. Kevin Durant this was before he became like top two player in the world. This is when he was still young and like candy. Do it all of a sudden I get him on the T. Wolves and he leads to glory. Well it's interesting too because I gotTA check static you're right but one one like the dunk contest and the three points you didn't others and those are hard like really really hard to wear is nothing crappier than a dunk contests on a basketball game. Everybody tries to make it good and it's never good Y- button. Mashing I've gotten the appeal depends on this one is okay. It's okay but the interesting part about the two K. My career I for some reason after your first year. You're free agent though like unrestricted. Free agent the Pelham after a championship as rookie. I'm a free agent. Signed with Miami Heat. Oh not in reviews. Did you do something on the Players Tribune? That's a great option for two K twenty one but no no I did. I did however make it back to the final against believe it or not. Pelicans Oh my God what a stone and bring it up once the announcement this that one time Kevin Harlan. That is a that is a huge mistake by Kevin Harlan. This is the story to tell in your NBA finals. Your teammates in Miami. Have they made any sort of roster moves before you got? There wasn't exactly what you expect. It was It was requested by but it picked up a Aaron Gordon. Wait a second nick and demands and meeting your like you to become such an integral part of the organization that they bring you into the office and say hey trade targets that you have in mind and you go through all the rosters and see what's reasonable only let you one at a time. One trade targets you gotta think data really work it out and decided to pair talents with Aaron Gordon. Why well because at the time see? This is going to seem very obvious at time when I'm driving and dishing I'm dishing it off to Priscilla. Noah wasn't doing being the needed to be done. I have you heard my Christova take. I have Christova heartache as I as. I warned Dan that this is a hot set. Hot set about that. He's doing the same thing Chris Silva in person. One of the most impressive rebounders. I've ever seen really. Yeah in terms of being able to grab the ball at its absolute apex. Like this is how somebody eats. Type deal like Ankara in person. And that's Chris Silva like I don't know how long his career is going to be in the NBA. But that just tells you how good everybody is for me. It'd be I had reasonably good seats so maybe that played into it. But I'm like Oh this dude can't really crack the court and he is like one of the greatest rebounders I've ever fees at my eyes upon ridiculous it's Trying to play with these people. I remember I tell the story a lot but I remember playing against John. Cryan John Credit is not John's is not still obviously but when he pulled up for jumper like from three point range and I'm just like putting my hand up. My hand may be touches his chest at that scenario like he's way the heck up there shooting the ball and I'm like I can't like jump in pass at the same time was less dope and shoot at the same time it had taken to me. That is outside of world-class fitness one of the main differences between like your average pickup game. And the pro game all the pros. No one released the ball at its absolute apex. Unless they're blanketed by a defender like Kobe was a genius at that like he can get a shot off for almost like any angle but they know exactly how to get their shots off and know how to get their shots off perfectly. Just like Chris knows how to get a rebound like everyone has their timing down wherever you go to like a pickup game. It's it's just a general mattis to the court across the before they shut everything down recently and I just said I was like look. Just shoot a pull up jumper like at tap of your jump jump and shoot a jumper and see it feels totally normal and it just feels so weird because most of us you know take a little bit of a jump or maybe a little less set shot most of the time or even off the dribble. It's like just do that all the time and see how weird that feels and it just it makes. It makes me think that like Ray Allen is just you know an absolute genius because he can do that and it just all goes in everything. Yeah Andy like practice like that shot a million times if you see that three which I mean that's essentially all of like NBA. Tv's programming the spurs heats. He finals. I zero arc to that shot like the trajectory of it is just a line drive like he knows he has to be absolutely perfect to fit it in like he's not maximizing with the arc sort of you increase a margin of error zero margin of error one if his toe gets off the ground. Millisecond later it alters the shot NBA history. It's really incredible about of Ray Allen and just like those old NBA Playback Games. Make me feel old as hell just like. I was watching the two thousand and one all star Game. Which if you say that. Let out doesn't seem like that. Far Right two thousand one. So the latter recognizable names one no that was DC extra year. 'cause there was one that more berry went absolutely nuts in towards the end but the two thousand one. Also the big comeback by the East in DC OS Allen. Iverson was Anthony Mason. You remember Mason's Mason. He Ear A. B. and just watching it and realizing man. I talked to Ray Allen after that game because he was like bragging because he was playing defense on Antonio mcdyess and he started this. Big Run with a block Antonio mcdyess. Now's watching all that. Well that's really cool. I talked to Ray Allen after that and I was like. Wow which really young right there. And he's retired now and then. I just started doing the math house. A man nineteen years that was nineteen. Start Looking at all. These people Li an entity as if no longer with us. I'm just like wow. I am all well is he. I guess this will be the formal start of the local hour. Even though we've been rolling for about ten minutes this is sort of. I don't want to wellness. Check has a stigma attached to it. But I like to pop in on Friends of Lebanon and friends universe and see how they're doing obviously we're all in this together But you look fantastic. And I'm a little upset by. I must admit now I have to admit something. I was squeezing every last bit of the gym before I knew that they were gonNA shut this down. Because I don't have the equipment in my town home. I got like two twenty five pound dumbbells. It's really hard for me to be working out right now. Also believe it or not the spite all this quarantine between what I got with Frankfurt and the show. I'm very busy it's very. It's very difficult for me to get a workout in. What is your fitness regimen? Because you still look spectacular. Well thank you Real quick Just finished my story. Did Madison Trade for Aaron Gordon. Giving away somehow just Kelly Olympic Kelly Olympic Sal for. I don't even know where they traded for him. I got Joe Harris as well. So those are my. Wow Joe Harris you got your shooter now. What is your your player. It's like a create a player right. So what's what's the player's name. Aj Alfonzo AJ Alfonzo. Now does it look like you know they have. This is really cool. I mean they have The image things. You can just stick a picture of your face. Whatever you're sharing the player with Anthony Anthony Space. I had a previous Player face but this one not this. Who's last Great Silver Fox in NBA? Has there been can't even think of one Rick Fox from top rope. Rick Rick Fox certainly had the salt and pepper and he was legitimate tonight. He was a silver Fox. Okay now you get is that. Why is that why? That thing was invented. Rick Fox cut the origins of Silver Fox in might actually be Rick Fox So I do got to admit it like I cheat a little. Bit One of my One of my friends that I hung out with at the very beginning of this This shutdown if you will was my buddy Tony Girlfriend Vanessa. My Buddy Tony also happens to be my trader and so I he had little setup in his yard where Scoville there and literally watch him. Wipe down all the equipment before I start because he knows paranoid any other some kettlebells. There's some dumbbells or trx rope and there's some ropes. They're just kind of go every day. Kind of like normal so it's As got a cool because the weather's great so Yeah my fitness. Regimen hasn't really suffered that much mileage. So you watch them wipe down. So Cody Zeller joined us and I believe our show. Is the reason why this stopped happening. Because Cody Zeller revealed that he's still was going to the facility and the trainers are there just one trainer in him and in between sets they sanitize everything that he uses. It was quite revelatory and then like the next time he joined us. He's like yeah. I got shut down and pretty straightforward. Yeah it's weird 'cause then yesterday his girlfriend's a Yoga instructor so yesterday stuck around that a little bit of Yoga and just watching Listening to and watching the people walk by and I must be looking at home. That's allowed but pretty sure it's five. Yeah well you answer the question as to how you're saying fit but I don't have your resources. So how can a person like me? Who is I mean? Let's be honest? Got The dad bod`ed going. I've gained some weight during this quarantine. I'm not happy to admit that I was at a nice little place where I had gone down all the way from like two thirty. Five two zero five then. I settled around vacillating between two ten to fifteen. And then your just pounded white clause by the pool for an entire weekend and came out weighing twenty now since be happy to report. Got This thing down to sixteen but I want to get to that happy range were. I'm closer to two ten to fifteen but I don't wanNA restrict my diet because I look forward to the mega stuffed oreos. I look forward to the white paws. You everything I want everything and I still WanNa look good working out two times a week. What you recommend I mean. There's plenty of bodyweight exercises you can do. Are you familiar with a burpee sir? Yeah Yeah I'm familiar with Burke's but they're hard what what can I do? That's easy I don't really sweat that I can do. You know. Can I essentially be toned? Just planking for twenty five seconds a week. The you're the one who tried the Who said you wanted to be like Baragan workout or you? Just hold it against you and see if that makes muscle. Yeah if I if I take Thera- gun to my calf and do that for let's say playing like eight games straight and the thera- gun is stationary. And it's pounding away at my. Cath will my calf become chiseled technology. I want to say yes just because I needed a videotape. That and I want you to instagram. Live that just like people while that's happening. You WanNa say yes but I mean you're essentially fitness expert. I WANNA say yes but that would be a responsible man. I don't think that's the case. What do you recommend in terms of home equipment? Now here's my setup. Okay I've got to twenty five pound dumbbells and it's not great much like I am fever. I've gone beyond the present set difficulty. I should be upgrading to thirty five pounds because I mean look at this right. I'm holding it up. Runs Zoom right now. I can do a lot more so what I'm doing is just increase Reps. So I've got that I've got the perfect labral. Roller like the military grade and this thing is incredible. And Yeah. So that's my setup carve-out like and you know what I WANNA do my nights and weekends which is just pound white claws and mega soft Oreos so far about the perfect workout regimen deeds at work on the curls. I would yet some bands bands to do. Yeah whether it'd be like do band pulled back workout it's a little bit Are To do like the ones you strap around your ankles. You know to do more like Leg workout workouts. But you can definitely do a lot with bands for sure are you are you. You're actually not skipping leg day during quarantine different. You can't like I'm not doing back squats or anything you know you're doing some different stuff. Some some kettlebells stuff. How much are you working on a given day like? How much time. Are you devoting to this an hour? An roof our. Yeah if I if I WANNA do something secondary like go for a job or something. That's different time but yeah I would like to run running to me like you don't like it. I hear running to me is just I? Don't I don't get it. I get all sweaty. What's the point? Especially when I can just thera gun to my man like that's going to happen regardless of what you're doing what you have against it. I ran a marathon in two thousand nine just to see if I could but I hate it absolutely. Oh God running me is like one of the bottom forty things going on right now. It is kind of cool though when you get to a point where you're just like in runners mody just getting cruise control like just you're not really tired. Get nothing's hurting. You're just Kinda like your mind just going and that's pretty cool. Yeah I do. I can definitely endorse the runner's high that is a real thing and the post run beer also incredible almost as good as the shower beer. You ever do a shower here. Shower y club shower white Claude. C- I drink white cloth and you know how michelob ultra marketing makes. You essentially think that you're adding a protein shake because like Lance Armstrong was in the initial marketing campaign and it almost made it seem like instead of water. He was grabbing Michelob. Ultra I'm like. Oh that's how I get in shape. Y Claude is very kito friendly. It's only two cards each time so I feel like in terms of poisoning my body. That's about as healthy as I could do it. Have you tried to watermelon? That'd be tried to lemon now. Have you tried the watermelon? Because I've heard incredible things about the watermelon. See it I like it. Some people tend to say the little tweet What's going on over there? We're on zoom right now and I'm pretty sure Otis's trying to commit suicide the cat. He was just trying to hop up to the the perch quarantined. He left a note. Very bizarre I mean you. If you're stuck around Dan. This long youtube might be willing to go up to the perch of a balcony as a kid. I idea Dan had a cat and I would never stay round down that long knowing that he has one. Dan has two cats. Dan has two cats also. It's not really when you got nine lives. I figure that's more of a cry for help than anything. Just like an attention seeker. Move by honest and the good news is my my reaction. Sprung into action. You'll be happy to know that this is no longer nagging would realize when jump off a balcony. It just lands on its feet there. This is the eighth floor. There's nothing below right if Dan. Dan's got to take a look down. Because I suspect Otis could have survived it with only you know nine lives. But here's Dan lebatard host of the limiter. We live in daily fear that the cat is GonNa jump to its death. It's a constant tension between me and my wife. She always thinks he's going to jump to his death. I'm like he's not that stupid. Survival is the greatest instinct and yet I always fear it. I also want to tell you that in my own home. I just got reprimanded by Mike Ryan shouting. Something like live Mike at me. Jacking through live. Mike is what he shouts at me in my own house. It's good to see hot set. Yes hot set. I was supposed to understand that the lebatardshow studios also when you work out. I imagine you call it a hot set to write as he looks when. I'm working biceps as the headset. Let me ask you. Have you ever seen ant man? Yes or night at the Roxbury featuring Chris Catan. There's certain body types. They get like the the abdominal muscles like right below the breastplate like the little shredded. Look Paul Rudd did it sound like how the hell does Paul Rudd have this? Because if I could pick people out of a lineup that would never have those like side shreds. It'd be Paul Rudd and Paul Rudd Takes Man. Yeah I'd shreds never know man. You notice more things than than I notice up well I. I've become convinced that I can't get those side. Treads how do I get the sides? I know you have them. I've seen that picture of you by the railroad tracks that that's a great cook because to me like I think listening to what you're saying it just feels like you're just talking about ribs. Yes it's just really yes the MKX riffs all right but Whereas I but you know the muscles like right before the ribs that were like when Joel Schumacher directed Batman forever. Yeah right funny. You should mention that 'cause you remember Was It de Ngelo. Yeah how does it feel? Yeah video like all the way down. I was like that was like forget side shreds that was all about I n V literally a friend of Monique when I was in college She asked a question and it stuck with me for life in said. How do you even get muscles down there The right that that look and so I literally said Wow. That was one of the things I started getting in shape outside. I need to get that whenever that V is whatever that thing that made her say. Wow How do you get muscles down there? I need to do that. And that is way more difficult than any sort of real no no. It's not difficult at all because I have those really. Yeah I have like the the man V now now. It's more pronounced because I have a gut hanging over it. I took a picture of the other day with my daughter sitting on my lap. And my shirt off house like whoa. Just flopped over there right. I mean the coffin. Let's people know it's okay. I don't judge judge like the one cough people freak out like I sneeze yesterday and everyone here lost their minds because I sneeze. I'm like sneezing is fine using like Daniel tell you I have a cough every time I'm in studio so it's like I literally I hold it in when I'm in public when Flip out but so same people are GonNa flip the heck out that are all up on your neck and the produce department of the whole zoo. Get away from me. I I do the test. I take a really huge deep breath and I hold it in for ten seconds. And that's right that's it. Yeah and I don't cough then I'm like I'm good now. I could be symptomatic. And that's all the problems. Oh you WanNa talk about sports real quick. Brian Horses report yesterday about the Chinese Basketball Association. Having a setback because they were trying to return to play. I think they're trying to do this. With empty stadiums and just resume league play. And they had like this well-thought-out plan and I know there's all these theories out there about what can be done I've actually talked to some MBA players about it and they have their own theories and there are all privately. Really concerned as to how elite can resume without a vaccine. So we've seen all these crazy scenarios. Jay Williams had the ASININE idea to put everybody on Petri dishes at some good. I thought it was good enough to put that on. Tv Okay you might have like you might have avoided a corona outbreak but now everyone in the NBA. Finals has diarrhea on a boat. And that's just like have you never read anything about cruise ship illnesses. Petri dishes for bacteria but Brian Winters reported that the big problem in China was as symptomatic carriers meaning these players into a display any of the symptoms associated with current virus. But they were carriers and they could pass it on to other players because they're sharing a rock. It's one of the sports that's actually outside of football Fertile ground for for having this disease spread. What do you make of this report? And what do you make of the likelihood that we might get the NBA back in some form or fashion because privately and publicly here on this Local Hour. I think sports as we know it isn't really going to happen again. Until Twenty Twenty One. Or there's a vaccine which we've read has gotta take twelve to eighteen months anyways. Yeah it's crazy how you say. Hey you WanNa talk about sports. We're not talking about sports night. We were talking about a vaccine. We're talking about a way to get back to normalcy and like start thinking about this often when having been on. Espn for a while. Now and all the things that we have to talk about that have nothing to do with sports. That just you know it's to pass to be in our wheelhouse of an. It's one of the things that I hated about the sports writing industries. Where I didn't want to get in was because it's like manning but really needs to get into all that stuff. I just WanNa talk about sports and so this is just like it's surreal to me. I'm sitting here talking to you on a computer. Can't even talk to you in person. We're talking about you know China as an example of win basketball is gonNA come back I from what I understand and everything that people say and all the waves are supposed to happen again or the way. It's supposed to happen again after certain amount of time. I have a hard time believing it's going to happen. I think that there's going to be a league that tries it and then even in the early stages of it find that. It's a bad idea and that they shouldn't. I don't know which one is going to be. I feel like baseball. Wants to step in here and save the world again like they did after nine. Eleven and make everybody feel great. I don't know if that's GonNa that's GonNa happen necessarily If there's any sport that can do it without fans I would say baseball would be okay. We're just talking about the major sports because Dana. White is going to make this happen. You true But in terms of the NBA. I'm having a harder more difficult time believing it's going to happen now. I know you've jet. Think about stuff like you know. Were getting back in shape and having do you have regular season games. You call them using games. You just do something to get guys in shape and go straight to the play offs. Do you have a fancy not EPA fans what happens to Miami Heat over forty? Three and a half wins. Bet I mean that's these are the main issues anything Adam silver and so gotta think my my futures bet on the Miami Heat has at least come across his desk. Final record dude. They should have had this you know. They were dropping that result of the Hornets at home. They have forty one wins and they've been dropping a lot of bad results. They could've been games. They lost one battle on the road. Oh Yeah so I have this whole like theory that it's impossible to win a future. I won the Kansas City. Chiefs Win the AFC. And I was so psyched. I'm like Oh my God. I finally won a future. So then it started loading up on futures and I was cruising at battle hawks in the XFL over three and a half winds. Guess what they ended on three wins at battle. Hawks win the championship. Well that season is canceled. I HAVE THE VEGAS Golden Knights Win. The division. I was looking good and I had the Miami Heat over forty three and a half victories. Now Not GonNa get that. I can't caches singles. Future Bet to say my life now. I get asked this I could ask this on occasions. Like Hey why don't you hang out with my grind guys like closer you friendly? He lives down all the way. Miami like this is the real reason. I don't hang out with you. Mike. You'RE GONNA turn me into some sort of crazy gambler and I I can't do it freezing gambler. I had turned to the stock market. I'm glad again but I don't understand half the shit out of your mouth. Yeah but you seem to be obsessed by. Do you play the stock market at all. No I've got a couple of hot tips. Maybe that's what I've done instead of sports and wait till wrestlemainia rolls around on Saturday. You WanNa take part in the competition. You watching it. Do I have to pay? I mean you can subscribe to the network for nine ninety nine. That's a cost of like one of your protein shakes right. I mean Jeez the plant based ones I get more expensive. The plant based ones run you. How much man. It's a great question. I don't know how much I remember. Initially say man. This was a little bit more than the other ones But I think I don't know sometimes I wonder clan-based up is more expensive. But then I'm just like well I don't have to buy all the answer. The question is how much does one of those plant-based shakes cost. You just want a forty bucks forty bucks but what account. That's I don't know what's six can go get it like. How many come in a package. No it's just a scoop site I don't really Kinda makes us all right so the entire like so. You make your own protein shakes but the entire thing past forty bucks so each school and it's fifty bucks. Is it a pretty big jug? That's the thing. It's not that huge. It's like I think it's got maybe like sixteen to twenty four servings in there. Oh my God yeah we the second. So what are you paying a scoop? They haven't my wife made me think of these things man like I'm not have to figure this out and see if I'm getting ripped off. I'm too lazy to actually do the math. Have you tried to carve lynch who carpet Latch Kara Lance from Carville? Oh no no I wonder if I put like one of your like six dollar scoops into the car vallance does that make it healthy? Otaly? Yeah a Carbon Lange has basically like extremely soft serve ice cream that they mix with sprinkles cake mix or whatever. Your heart desires really comes out on the tech. It's a textual delight number one first and foremost and then it's just an explosion flavor. It's incredible you should have to work at a carvel. When I was in high school used to work at Carville number one selling item was it the Fudgy. The whale number one selling item. Not that really kept track of that had really old school Cash boxes or whatever I don't know what the best selling one I know. My favorite thing to do was to Do the the soft serve cone and then dip it in the chocolate. Oh Yeah I'd Ns because that's takes skill was over that just to watch you do it almost on contact sirix move. It's a trick to how you put the ice cream on you. Just basically got a clip. It sort of on the very edge of the of the cone and then go around incredible incredible. I used to go to carve out. When I was a wee little tyke to collect the moby helmet bulls which they only serve one purpose. Well like two one for ice cream because it's not like you've got a poor cereal on this thing or like it's only functionalities to hold ice cream or just rest on a shelf because you collected everything unless you have a bunch of dolls where the head size is exactly that cisgender who has that. Did you ever collect anything outside of shoes? Like action figures. No anything got super McFarland's you familiar with the McFarland like figures like Todd. Mcfarlane the creator of SPA okay. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah you seen these things in like toy stores and whatnot. I got a bill into them in my garage. My Prize possession is this super bowl exclusive todd McFarlane of Dion Sanders in a ravens uniform. Like it was a super bowl that only handing out like that that year there used to be a big market for it so. I got a question for you since we only got a few minutes left us. Aegis Dr Savage every day you're just out and you stay there and just out of the show and then you go home now. We have a lot of po show tapings scheduled and today. I got to move some furniture I'm already like it's been a spectacular day for me. I saved his CATT earlier Otis yeah that's how it is and you don't want to see what would happen if he jumps off. I was curious because I think he just wanted to look just do it. Is We do that. That would have been. That would have been shocking. If I were just here doing the local hour with you and Dan Scott committed suicide jumping off. Like how do you out? 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WTH #771: Jasons Resume

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WTH #771: Jasons Resume

"W T shirt. What the Hell Hell Hell home? This is the W. T. H. W. T. H. Podcast Jason Casey Casey Kareem Daniels. And they darling darling from the Darlie new media studios. This is the W. T. H. podcast. Hello and welcome in to another episode of the W. T. H. Podcast number seven seven. One Diem thank you for joining us. Whether you're watching on. Facebook live or listening just through your ear. Buds do the sound of our voices. We do appreciate it and we appreciate you shopping. Amazon to this shop Amazon Tab at the top of W. T. H. pod dot com. It is the best way to support the show and it does not cost you anything extra so we do appreciate that. Jason Kareem Gentlemen. Welcome in happy Monday. Epi Monday as we record on. Yeah so it's an interesting Monday Coming up on the show today. Of course it's Monday it's Wednesday. It's the Wednesday episode So we have Jason's Jag. Laundry thief has been nabbed. Thank goodness man and we lose an NBA. Legend will look back. A little bit The loss of Kobe Bryant over the weekend but before we get to all of that. Let's start with this. How was your week? Gentlemen we'll start with you. Jason Sick Kids yes. That's that's what my week. consisted of CJ Seagal last week And then got sick this week so like I was at the I actually had to be off work today and took her to the doctors. She has an ear infection. Cj has double ear infection. So Sal goes overachiever. Right seat has already beaten her sister So that's at EJ though Was In town and he hung out on On Saturday night he's a doctor. Now right he is in his last year he's working on getting his residency right now. So finds out on March fifteenth if he if he matched stir matchday which is an important part of the process. I guess that means at the hospital wants to take you on as a resident right who? Yeah so then they'll find out like you see find out if you've got matched on the fifteenth. Don't actually get you. Don't find out who your matched with until the twentieth right so they make you wait five. It's like this with like a blind date so his wife. Trish is already a doctor. So Oh cool. Yeah so both. That's what they're doing so I was just seeing if they were any help with the kids. That are sick not yet. I mean no. I didn't ask them to bring over his out of scope. And that's how you pronounce it maybe means stethoscope whether it is the one that goes in the year his ear. Harir her ear. That'd be different. That would be different very different. I hope hope everyone feels better soon. Green how about you? Oh Man Week was not bad well. I'll take a soda week. Was these It was are inverse. Re Hey congratulations Sixteen years wow. That's what I say. Wow and of happily unmarried bliss is in. The date really isn't a date but she just picked arbitrary date because we started. We went from being friends to being a couple like the month of a January. Yeah I mean until Leslie and I actually got married. We didn't really well we did. We had the date where we officially became a couple the because we we commemorated that at the time and then we had that for a couple years until we got hitched. Yeah so that was that We went to dinner Saturday night to commemorate that I was like. Oh you know it's it's a anniversary is like a long anniversary like saw no big. I'll be the good dutiful other half and like I'll take out to dinner too. Nice restaurant and then we got shitty service entity food. That's that is a that is a bad bad you know the TRIFECTA that food poisoning. Oh man you bad service bad food and food poisoning. That is the that is the traffic. Kareem did not give food poisoning by the way so yeah it was a we. We got there first off. We got there in the lady to the hostess was like well. You can't we can't see for forty five minutes because that's when I go to different place. Did you have a reservation? We didn't have resumes oaks. Oh we can't see two for forty five minutes but if you WANNA go say that one of the table tops or in the bar like you know the last time we went. We sat at the bar so it was like. Oh it'll be. This is a place you've been before. Been before okay and We went there for my birthday. She's been there three four five times by so you know it was like okay. It's the place we both Food I got the last time. It was pretty good so we went. It took them. It took a while for this to get our drink order in the first place which should be my first sign but trying not to be Gergo. Radio Guy Sure Then they took forty five minutes actually givers forty five minutes to our gas our food and the waitress never came back around to say oh. I'm sorry we got a backup in the story. I think that not that. I want to ever stand up for the when I walked out on my restaurant job when I walked out It was the day after. It was like the the Monday after father's day and it was crazy busy For some reason that Monday night in they never scheduled somebody to cover the high tops in the bar. That was just extra tables like as they came in you get thrown table or to Or sometimes they would schedule somebody but like really at the steakhouse showing three three or four. Tables is a handful. Not at the steakhouse right So I had a eight or nine tables by myself that like I was running to and then I like some people would actually end up going and sitting at his table which fucked me even more but nobody was helping me and I was the only one that was expected to do it and win. Some some chicks took it upon anyhow They they they gave me a hard time for taking like should we take him giving me Shit. I'm like this is I'm just like what do you want me to do? What do you do it? It is like see now see had a C walk by numerous times and didn't say anything and like that and it wasn't like all the high tops for full right. The high tops were full of say that but there were people that were working to hijack beside her and then her manager was walking around and seeing people were frustrated as he was like. Oh I'm sorry there's a backup in the kitchen and So NC went and got her food great but then she came back with my food and the chicken head no taste to it and the potatoes were so cook through that they were Brown and crispy like crispy hard so allow me to return. And that was like yeah. I'm done with this place. Yeah Yeah you can get fucked when you're in the bar areas a rough one. Yeah you know what just came back around. And she's like. Oh well how's the food in? My girls was good but I was like yeah. She's like well. Do you want not manager came back and I was like yeah. She's like well. You know you want to send you back a fresh for fresh plate mauchline. No because that'll take them two hours right. I I got places to be like bed and I was like yeah. Now we're good. I'm see like a yogurt. That was pretty much over displays. So that was that and then We're about to talk about how the rest of the Weekday to twenty percent. No and that was the thing because me and Bryan Bryan Bryan Sushi Brian. We're talking about tip in a in a message and it was like well. What do you do? Do you tip a person when you got boat bed servers and bad food. I normally do but I don't tip them. I tip them was fifteen at least always have fifty always. Unfortunately I just the until Jason told me they already are getting paid minimum wage. In which case you know. Hello Tammy no tip. That's so messed up. Tnt Tammy not is still only get like four or five hours at a time. Look if you're look if you can't come back and explain in and say I'm really sorry. The kitchen is backed up to ten percent tip if any at all that so she got tempers at ten. Yeah and I'm I try to live up to their stereotype. 'em Good Tipper. Because I used to date a girl when I got here who worked at as a waitress and because of her always dip really will. Yeah my my buddy. His axe was A waitress at applebee's now. This is in Plattsburgh. Were applebee's is a big thing and he was like. Oh no you gotta tip because You know your tip is spread out amongst everybody and I always took issue with that because that's great but what that means is everybody needs to pressure on old tammy no tip to upper level of service to get some depths because they are impacting. Everybody don't put it on me that you the the restaurant's policy is all the tips go into a bucket and get divided out. That's not my problem. I worked I worked to our to that. They often bar opened up the Elfin bar. That was on arden crash on the mall. I opened that one up so I was at the opening staff there. I would a Tahoe. Joe's I worked at this place called Frankie Johnny and Louise To it which is In Dublin and the outside when I think of power they have like three or four of them. This completes Jason's linked in profile so that the Beatnik cafe for years. So I I. I have a lot of food service. Industry like like in like a lot of I rarely got should tips because I was a good server But since then. I've always become a a any out his deal at the city tip for me. You deserve deserve it right. The only place that I felt like there was the worst that I got fucked. I stopped when I did not want anymore was elephant bar because you work lunch their shitty tips and my it was just it was just. That was horrible. I did not ever want to never worked for L. And having you the elephant walk every day was tough it was little demeaning to. I mean no no fun with that. my. We'll get to my week another time. We show Jason Jason's resume took a lot of time So this weekend woke up Sunday morning to the news that I'm using an adblocker. Cnn doesn't like that. I'm just kidding. woke up to the news that Kobe Bryant was killed in a helicopter crash. Now this is something I was immediately like. It was like Whoa and I always liked Kobe. Bryant I know he could be a deck But I was like Kobe Bryant so it was a little sad and then when I found out that his daughter was on the helicopter with him. And then we find out. There were nine people. Total on the helicopter originally was five with was what they announced but it was him and his thirteen year old daughter and another family. Another family One of one of his daughters teammates. They were going to travel game and it turns out. They were flying in crashed into a hillside in Calabasas and it turns out that There were It was really poor visibility. They had to get special permission to continue flying in in that visibility now the the the investigation investigation is still ongoing into what exactly happened. Because witnesses were saying that they heard the engine Didn't sound good so that's not a weather issue. That's an engine issue. So we'll see how it all at all shakes out but Though the Lakers clippers game which a scheduled for the twenty eighth. Which if you're watching on. Facebook is tomorrow and if you're listening as it drops. Us yesterday there. They're just not going to play the game. They're gonNA take the day off which is Ironic. Because Toby would have played. Yeah I mean So I mean I I totally get it. I wasn't a fan of him as a player. I I didn't like him but A become more of a fan to him as a person with the watching him with his kids in the way he'd been given back he is. It's really interesting and I happen to be in the La area when he tore his Achilles In the playoffs. So I think I was down. Running Angels Five K. Or something like that and literally every TV station. That was their lead story that night but Kobe. Bryant has torn his ACL and that was really shocked. Well not shocking. But it was interesting to me. That Something like that would be your lead story on every newscast in the second largest city in the country so I had a feeling that when I got the the alert that this happened that there would be nothing but coverage of this in l. a. and of course that was in fact correct Tmz apparently put the story out before. All the next of kin could be notified which Not Not. Okay not okay The rush to be first is why we heard there were five people on board. When in fact there were nine people on board and actually a story that Rick Fox was on the plane. He wasn't on the plane helicopter helicopter. Yeah so I saw it like the first notice got pushed to my phone right. That's how most people found out in like and then I went to go look at the article an article had been taken down at TMZ. Yeah like almost like right away like pretty quickly so I was. I remember just I saw the headline and I didn't click on it as sought come on my phone and I was just like. I told Chris and I didn't like we're in the middle seventies so I talk about it as I'm hoping that this isn't true like this is this is one of those things that happens and then like about five six minutes later. I looked at it and had been taken down. But then you start doing research on it and it's like one of those those hoaxes comes around no and for all of TMZ vaults and they have many. They don't tend to put out stuff that isn't true. Now it may not be confirmed with a Lotta people yet like they had. They were reporting. Michael Jackson was dead hours. Before any quote unquote credible news organization would would Say that Michael Jackson was dead and I remember being in the newsroom at Casey. Ra and a resume. We'll TMZ is reporting it but No one is confirming. I'm going as you said. Listen He's dead if TMZ is reporting. He's dead he's dead. They don't make mistakes about the. They make ethical mistakes mistakes in judgment but they do not go live with stuff like that unless they are dead shore and they've got they've got their sources for it. Yeah and it turns out. They had that hours ahead of time. But he's being I really that important. I saw a lot of that on twitter. People saying hey stop putting stuff out and do you know it's confirmed or the people like to say that but you know ultimately everybody wants to know but that's why we get the alerts on our phone now but you're saying because there were so many misnomers because one time they said is all of his daughters. Were on the plane right and he likes to develop the helicopter. Rick Fox's from the South is playing dammit Rick Fox portion of it and you know there were other incredible sources. They were like no. I talked to his daughter. He's that on a plane or the late there was a reporter from L. A. Said no and then Rick Fox came out and said No. I was not on the on the helicopter. so This it came across the this Morris is on. Espn and Jay Williams speaking about Kobe Bryant. He's a everybody at home person next year. Whatever they you have on your life with them is might be smaller. B Girl doesn't matter. I'm sorry none of this stuff matters. Fan this is about life in being precious memory to have second. We have here because somebody who knows what's happened to me. I got medicines over randomly randomly arbitrarily and You know his his four girls and his wife or we need to come around him and support them help them and NBA should cancel all games today. our into what else to say the is it really worth holding that grudge. Is it really worth being that upset over whatever it might be Or can you just get past it and the answer is yes you can get past pretty much anything? I mean unless someone has tried to kill you then go ahead and hold a grudge and look I French Canadian background. We are famous for holding grudges. What we do is what we do. Meanwhile as as the as the As the coverage of Kobe Bryant passing away was going on nonstop Msnbc OF COURSE had coverage. And someone named Zack on twitter said. I'm sorry what did I just hear kind was cast on the Los Angeles Nigger Los Angeles Lakers what. Let's say that one more time perfectly cast of the Los Angeles Niggers Los Angeles Lakers back. Jason that's the type of thing you missed by not being on twitter with Corinna because that was one that we shared back and forth. She's apologized for that. I mean what did she say? It didn't sound like the n word out of it. It it did it. Sound like she said acres like well. That's that's her. Let's listen one more time Jason. Listen listen to her decay in there not not gee on the Los Angeles nigger look. I knew he wouldn't this one. I'm not even surprised if you heard a k look. I'm not saying that she was using the N. Word on purpose or that she would have even used it accidentally but she did apologize saying on twitter earlier today while reporting on the tragic news of Kobe. Bryant's passing I unfortunately. Stuttered on here combining the names of the Knicks Lakers to say knackers. Well you even know that and I say Kay as acres please no. I did not and would never use a racist term. I apologize for the confusion. This caused Kareem. Do you believe her. I don't believe her it was a it was a bad day for white women in this story. I don't think she had any intention of robbing an end bomb and I don't think she. I don't think that she casually uses the N. Word I think it was a slip of the tongue as she was rolling through filling however many hours of coverage time but and I'm like he he didn't have anything to do with the Knicks at all. No not even like his most famous games or anything. Yeah like somebody did point out that she had said something about the Knicks earlier but seat and say I said knickers. She said Nacre snake sprite because she realized she was saying. You guys have never had that happened avenue me before. Said Noah where you're saying you're saying one thing I gue- trusdale set you free or you're saying something and you realize you're saying the wrong thing and you change it in the middle of it so let's say you're like. Oh Yeah no you should slice dice it up like slice dice. Like I don't know I I've done that before where I've said especially doing Improv. And stuff like that where you're on. I'm like sometimes you say something and you change it in the middle when you're saying that you realize you're saying the wrong thing. I don't know that's that's all I every time I say white double white cracker doesn't mean it's not by accident. I'M GONNA fall. I'M GONNA fall somewhere in between you guys say. I don't think she meant to say anything like that I think. She got jumbled in her words but she definitely did drop an end bomb. I actually do agree with that. That's probably what happened but she did say. She said absolutely she's still working. There hasn't got fired. They're going to buy it of course no that they've they had the tape and they listened to it and they're like I can hear a k. They're younger than you guys. Better hearing so see my the gut by the columnists Washington Post Gazette. Spend it right for tweeting and like you said it was. It was a good day for White Women with this story Yeah so we`ll. We'll have a little bit more Kobe. Bryant stuff across the next couple of shows Who were running very late of the impeachment. Trial of president trump continued on Monday The big thing I guess that has come out and we'll see. It has any impact. A snippet of John Bolton's book has been leaked where he Supposedly said that president trump told him to be firsthand knowledge. That Ukraine was not getting any of that money until they announced investigation into Joe Biden and Joe Biden son. So we're now at the point where Mitt Romney has said that People may be coming around to having witnesses. Although when Ted Cruise walked out of walked out of the Senate today and was asked about witnesses. He went into some diatribe about something else that new since. He's he's the only one it was. It's pretty much all of them. That all the Republicans. Don't want anything with that but basically this would be a first hand witness. That could corroborate. Exactly what the articles of impeachment is saying. This exactly and they are not saying you know we really should hear from him under oath they they. WanNa talk about Joe Biden and a thousand other things in Bef- right before I left to come here they Another snippet dropped where he said. He was worried about his Interaction with other Dictator like Foreign leaders sure and he told The secretary not the secretary of state the The person in charge of the DOJ that so yeah and lead. Barney's released ninety minute tape on Friday right of of them because trump is again saying he doesn't know him doesn't know who he is never talked to him and lead partners released a ninety minute video with mostly audio but but videotape of a dinner where we're trump talks about Marie Ivanovich needs to go get rid of her tomorrow. So the Republican Party. They're stuck now because they're like do I go ahead and just let this guy go with this. And then some big bombshell comes out after that. Then we're fucked. Yeah all right Jason. Let's get to your Jag. Let's Let's do up My JAG TODAY. Man I would forego it. I gave my resume. That's A. That's enough today okay. Yeah to give it to the makers gave it to the knickers knickers up and alleged Texas lingerie thief. So that's some good news. A laundry enthusiast. Already facing felony robbery charge was arrested and charged with slight swiping. Twenty-one Teddy's anal beads lubricant and a pair of heels from an adult Boutique in Houston Houston police charged that Jakulan Thompson. Who's twenty-three boosted the items during a grab and run incident at the Katz Boutique which advertises itself as quote your premier destination for fashion fantasy and fun. I looked at. They use the the Oxford Comma in there. Thompson allegedly took the laundry and other items from the checkout counter and bolted from the store with the hot merchandise which police valued at eleven hundred dollars. Tastes Bro. Twenty-one Teddy's is alive but I mean how how are those anal beads made of made of like Platinum J. J. J? There's actually pyrex. He's accused of stealing one firemen pump from the adult store. Though the criminal complaint offers no further description Oh my God Thompson was subsequently collared by the Harris County. Sheriff's Office deputies. Who booked him into jail on a misdemeanor theft count? Some of the recovered Teddy's were shown in a police photo citing spate of recent cases a magistrate Declined to set bond for Thompson. Who was arrested back in June of two thousand nineteen on a felony robbery with bodily injury charge during the alleged commission of that crime for which he was free on? Twenty thousand dollars bond. He struck the victim. According to copses rap sheet includes prior conviction for criminal trespass unauthorized use of vehicle evading arrest theft auto burglary and criminal mischief. He's crazy this increase. Let's leave the hustle and bustle for small town already. Small town news comes to us from PLATTSBURGH NEW YORK. The people of BLACKSBURG are speaking out and by the way. We'll have more speak outs in small town news on Friday's episode. I one title. Eating are their health department. Regulations regarding cashiers in line cooks in convenience stores snacking or eating while attending be customers. It's not only looks gross. That's right it says it's not only looks gross. It's unsanitary I don't want someone handling my lunch at the same time they're eating. There's it is Kinda discussed next. One is Christmas. Maybe just maybe people are beginning to follow their own hearts. What a joy to hear and read. Merry Christmas more often this year. The world has to change. We're creating our own demise. What are they trying to say that it was really nice that people were saying? Merry Christmas more at the end they were. They were saying the world's going to hell right. I know this person's really old. Jason Profiling Elliott motive trump next one's reform kudos to the new bail reform and discovery law. It's about time we do something morally right. I do find it sad. How prosecutors are wanting to decide a person's fate and fifteen minutes to one hour trying to force a person into taking a plea without all of the evidence how they seem against the defense being able to defend themselves or their lawyers getting evidence that could prove their client innocent. It is innocent until proven guilty. Not Guilty until we force you into taking a plea makes one wonder how many innocent people pleaded guilty feeling. They had no other option. This is not an old person that we'll talk about that more. Next year I'm guessing plots were quite white guy with dreadlocks. And finally this one's taxi it's a nice one. We're going to go out with a on a on a high note everybody on Saturday December. Twenty second a driver for city taxi and Plattsburgh altered his route to transport a shivering pedestrian to his church across town for free. Thank you sir. Good job sitting right right. Exit ramp thing is called it in himself. All the way across town and Plattsburgh's not that far it's literally less than ten minutes so good deed but really not that big a deal any who. That's it for this episode of the W. T. H. Podcast hope you enjoyed if you did? Please tell them friend. It's a shopping Amazon tab at the top of W. T. H. dot com. And you take care of yourselves. We'll see you next time if you're on facebook it'll be coming up right next if you're listening in your ear. Buds fresh episode drops on Friday. We'll see then bye-bye.

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March of The Toreadors

Fame is a Bitch

30:50 min | 11 months ago

March of The Toreadors

"From workhouse connect in. Aj Benza. Vein here to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky. Sex Tapes is the GUY. Put the COP in the peacock network? Okay Bitch Hey everybody. Aj Benzi here with fame bitch. This is your podcast for March sixteenth. Two Thousand Twenty taping this on a Sunday afternoon beautiful day supposed to rain fucking week let alone. The weekend couldn't play the last two games of our season flag. Football got not only rained out but virus down. I don't like that at my team. Going undefeated untied two games to go and fuck invited and people don't even know why there can't like this cove in nineteen thing. It's just very weird worker. You Walk around whether you're walking around and seeing videos of let's say near city or a big city near you and you see the streets just empty even la but not doesn't have a lot of people walking the streets to begin with but there are some areas that are heavily traffic etc etc. And it's just dead you feel like there's a blanket that's being thrown over America and obviously parts of the world went to macy's yesterday and that was almost spooky. I feel like I could have put on a suit and walked out. Nobody would stock so the grocery store across the street very insane. It's Ralph's they're all over. La and if you walk in you watch the shoppers. It's like you're watching the walking dead. You know they got a blank. Look on your faces as they fill their baskets with milk and yogurt water medicines. What was left of the water? I mean everything's going. The shells are almost bare. Once we start like I said across the street just about ransacked even like I don't WanNa call him Delis Delis and they're call markets in La most of America but Ellen New York Adelie. I miss it but Deli but La's got markets. I went to market down. The street. Shelves are bare and Amok. It's not going to replace the inventories quickly as a big store like a ralphs or a whole foods or something like that so these guys are sunk. Businesses are just. It's for Christ's sake and the store that it went to rouses on Ventura Boulevard in co-ord- Canyon Major intersection in La. Probably the most popular one of the top five all of the San Fernando Valley practically no water at all. I feel bad for the brands that are left. I can't remember the brand of the water I bought. 'cause there was only like four or five bottles of it left. But it's funny. This brand of water was to nineteen for one of those. Big Big jugs usually ninety nine cents dollar nineteen tops if you get sparklers or just a bottle of distilled. Water to nineteen northbound to nine hundred dollars. Are you worried you'RE GONNA die of thirst or do you just not want to part with an extra dollar what is it? It's very strange phenomenon. Agostino posted a picture on instagram. He was at whole foods or as we call it whole paycheck out here. All the meats were dawn from the shelves. I'm sure you're seeing this where you live as well but there were a few patches of wild boar everything was gone but this wild boar not a thing for the marketers of that brand so I went back to Ralph's at seven thirty for some ice cream for the family right. I Walk Across. The street sucked up ankle and all my Nina Angle. But much better. I'd say seventy five percent better almost magically. I can't twist them but you know I'm able to walk in and not screaming pain. So what does the as I'm walking in the manager stops me as the doors are just Kinda like closing? He goes closed. I go what his quotes. Why it's not even eight o'clock. He goes closing at this very moment. I see that but you know what is it because of this viral bullshit and he goes. I'M NOT GONNA TALK. If you'RE GONNA curse I go I would occur. Close how would you be upsell the curse the world's coming to an end anyhow you know what's the difference of I curse you guys are at. I'm not I said seriously. Why closing I'll I'll I won't curse why closing and all I can say is the doors close to my face was corona and I would about corona. You haven't said anything why and he steps back. I'm like fuck this and some guy laugh next. I said what is the world coming to CORONA CORONA? What do you want to go home early? This incident comes on the heels of my son's seizing and cancelled. And I don't like this it just a lot of it doesn't make sense guys. You know this is influential guy on twitter and instagram name Dylan Wheeler right any of this video yesterday or the day before He's saying this is some kind of deep state cleaning or disinfecting exercise. You know he said if you lay down the map of all the Cova nineteen cases in the country. You lay that map over the the trump administration's indictments of one hundred forty seven thousand people. It's like an identical map. You know I don't know exactly what that means. But he's trying to draw a parallel. It was it was a long video. Did Not listen to all of it but you look at some high profile people. Tom Hanks you know Justin Trudeau's wife a lot of high ranking people in Washington some some athletes. So we're you know something that look did it lot of big moves from some very big influential and somewhat say shadowy people of late. Bill Gates steps down from Microsoft Bob. Iger walks away from his fifty million dollar annual salary running Disney. What's the real move behind? Those moves. My Buddy Neil dumble. Who LOVES LOVES TO? Latch himself onto these. You WanNa go on conspiracies. It's up to you but these theories of why this should is happening. He's been telling my ass a long time about trump and what he did as soon as he got in office. You know basically signed a bill that said if you're a CEO own owner or board member of a company that is involved in sex trafficking the corporation is gonNa be taken away from you right and now you know since then and the media will never report this since he said that four hundred C. E. O.'s or board members have stepped down. And I gotTA listen. Her reached out to me the other day. And this is the kind of thing that makes everything worth it. This guy's flying helicopters and Afghanistan. Right listening to my show in his ears which the visual of that is insane. He says the flu is spreading or the viruses spreading out there as well. They're not telling you that. That got me really nervous because I always think like the worst thing is. Is this going to sit out our war machine and our soldiers the most powerful motherfuckers in the world? I hope not but Listen maybe there's something to all this should after all or maybe it truly is another highly deadly strain of flu that we weren't prepared for or or or it could be what. China's good buddy came. John a told us a while back memory told us he sending America. Christmas gift very shortly makes you think so. I put all this shit behind me with the virus. What have you and I I started watching a turner classic movies as I want to do every day every night. Some Great Shit. Some great stuff. They put on to really weird hours of the day. Friday night woke up two o'clock in the morning and I caught a little film called Spider. Baby I don't know if you've seen this is a Lon Chaney junior the guy who's known for playing the Wolfman when we were kids. This film is insane spider baby so lawn. Cheney junior plays his chauffeur named Bruno is looking after these three strange siblings at their family estate Ralphie Virginia and Elizabeth all them suffer from an inherited condition a genetic disorder that causes a reversal in their mental age. And they have this crazy childlike disposition. And they're not kids apparently when During the lessons These these kids turned into a feral state right. Very violent cannibalistic incestuous tendency oil crazy movie made in nineteen sixty seven way ahead of its crazy plotline so lon chaney junior covers for him every step away he's got legal legal guardianship of these lunatics. And he doesn't want guests staying overnight because these kids posed dangerous to outside is so he's got always keep the kids hidden from the outside world as a result very creepy movie from Jack Hill. Who made switchblade sisters? He's you know cult hero in the world and Sid Hague. You know the actors sit. Hey is in a lot of horror movies. He's one of the kids. Try and find this movie. Smoke a joint. Do what you gotta do but watch this. Don't be straight when you watch smoke. I also caught a little snippet of a rock. Hudson film He with Jane Wyman and there was a scene where they're driving in a car and they're arguing about something and Wyman says. I wish I could be more help. He want me to be a man. Don't you cut insists the hell I do? Oh my God knowing what we know now could you imagine the hard time rock? Hudson must have had delivering that line. You want me to be a man. Don't you do? Yeah Bullshit. The next morning Sunday morning this morning I catch the film Carmen with the beautiful. Dorothy Dandridge now Dandridge was the Halle Berry of her day right down to the fact that she liked herself some white guys but you know. She was famous and employ during a time. When that was a very dangerous thing so as a lot of you know. Carmen is a musical co-starring Harry Belafonte. Who I think is so fucking overrated From his acting right down to his fucking banana boat song. I know his beloved black American. Yeah I get it actually Jamaican American. I know he's a handsome light skin brother but for fucks SAKE THEY GOTTA STOP. What their reverence for this guy? He's just not that special. You ask a black dude about how he belafonte and they start with the whole Harry about one of the greats. Why why. It's been drummed into your heads. It's not it's bullshit if you watched Denzel Washington opposite this guy. He'll eat him up. He'll destroy Morgan Freeman. Samuel Jackson Laurence Fishburne. They'll kill him in a scene. Bellefonte can't hold a candle to these guys because he was a civil rights. Dude in the fifties sixties. He's been granted this forever. Inpenetrable suit of armor. You can't judge him can't judge Harry Belafonte's but you also can't name five films. You saw him in that. He was amazing and I was on the airplane with them. Going to Cuba for the Cuban Film Festival. He sat right behind me. That it was really weird. Flight was very hot and very hot and Cuba. We left New York. I think it was fed. What snowing like the motherfucker? We left charging we will reflect out of Jersey airport which I can't think of the name you know talking about. We left that Jersey and landed in Cuba so hot actually went to Mexico. I then from Mexico to really hot that when we sat there on the runway It snowed in the airplane like like precipitation because of the heat and the coal very strange phenomenon but little like bits of not real snow. You know what I'm saying. They kind of fell from the vents. It was awesome. So we're getting off the plane and they'll be honest and we talked to him a little bit here and there and the plan because it wasn't a big plane so we kind of like you know we saw each other with Harry. Nice to meet you as we're getting off the plane we gotta go to customers me my buddy. Rocco and pepper. We gotta go to customs to the left as walking off the plane. I think I've said this story before. There's Fidel Castro and about five soldiers in fatigues with machine guns on their back really intimidating kind of thing and Jose Marti. Airport is beautiful marble floors. It's one of the great buildings in Cuba. Cuban airports are Quite a sight. Because you've got people who are crying their eyes out because they're about to leave and the people in Cuba are not going to see them so they're very emotional or you've got people arriving in Cuba who haven't seen people that they're they're related to and they're crying either way very emotional place and Belafonte. There's there's Fidel right. This is what ninety eight ninety nine days Fidel and me and our guys my buddies to the left for customers and Fidel takes de la. Fontaine to the right. He don't have to go through customs. Because that's as good buddy anyhow. The point is this if you if if it don't Castro was on the La Lakers. I'll give this guy so understand the sport if he were on the La Lakers he wouldn't be Shaquille O'Neal or Kobe Bryant a Magic Jabbar. He'd be none of those. He would be Rick Fox. That's what they would be. Rick Fox the Lakers okay. He he's a Rick Fox of black star and despite the fact that he's called the King of Calypso. That's not even his voice singing on the movie Carmen. Do you know that it was dubbed over with the voice of a white opera singer? How about that? Do you WanNa talk about solid black actor from that era you stick with Sidney Poitier. I know beef right there anyhow. This movie Belafonte Stars opposite. Dorothy Dandridge beautiful. Dorothy Dandridge with the cafe AU lait skin. Great Body beautiful woman. This movie had some very dangerous plot points. Not The least of which is the ending and spoiler alert. It's been sixty fucking years so I'm going to tell you how it ends but Harry. Belafonte is crazy for her but she's kind of into this. She's kind of moved onto this boxer and at the end of the move is big prizefight and she's moving with the crowd toward this boxer. Bella thought they steps in and tells her basically he's gotTa have her and you know and he pulls into this little room. I gotTa have you in this and that and you know Dorothy. Very matter of factly tells them that look you know what they had over and even have to kill me or let me go so bill? Chelsea to death. That's the movie. That's the ending very brutal. So Dan had this amazing career. One of the first black actress is to have a successful Hollywood career. Also the first to be nominated for an academy award for best actress for Carmen Jones. The movie I said Congress Carmen Jones also performed as a singer in places like the cotton club the Apollo Theater you know she was very popular but also went through her share of racial bullshit. Not too surprising. There was a huge talent search nineteen fifty-three to find a black actress. Who could star in what was going to be the black version of Oscar Hammerstein's musical Carmen and she got the role not only because she was good. But the director auto pressure real weird motherfucker premature had a thing. For didn't matter he was married he had a thing. He at the taste. Miss Dandridge a lot of guys it but it was dangerous being open about that sort of thing during this ridiculous time in America and Dandridge she had this seductive performance. It got great reviews for the movie. It made her one of Hollywood's first African American sex symbols and soon after she became the first black woman featured on the cover of life magazine. If you can remember how big a deal it was for Halle Berry. Who won her Oscar in two thousand two to become the first black woman to win? You can only imagine how giant Dandridge must've felt back in the nineteen fifty five Academy Awards. She was up against White megastars. Grace Kelly Audrey Hepburn. Judy Garland Jane Wyman. And even though Grace Kelly won the award for her work in the country girl mainly because she screwed everybody in the industry to get it. The crowd knew that the night really belong to Dandridge. And you know I'm an overnight sensation but you guys know what happens when you get really big in this town when you're when you're when you're no longer in nobody everybody wants to make somebody and then the bullshit starts and almost as much as her movie roles. Dorothy Dandridge is known for really given a kick in the balls to the tabloid confidential magazine and Their parent company Hollywood research. Because of an item story they wrote about her. That was a lie. They wrote some bullshit about actually. Maureen O'Hara was involved in this as well But they really took starkly Dandridge task. They ran a story entitled. What Dr Dandridge did in the woods and in the story they call to the Black Marilyn Monroe and they claim that she was seen fucking the white guy. A white guy named Daniel Terry who was a bandleader. They said they she was seen fucking this guy in the woods near Lake Tahoe. Now Deo Terry must have loved it but Dandridge was pissed off so she sued continental and she testified at this trial the trial of one hundred stocks because a lot of stars were really against this tabloid because it was hurting people and she attempt to take this these this down and she succeeded. She testified that because Lake. Tahoe had been a really real policy against mixed race dating then it would have made it impossible to take a white guy to the hotel there because at the time. Tahoe was very prejudiced and Dandridge said in court negroes were not permitted that freedom. I never took a walk in the woods. Mr Terry wasn't with me because negroes are not permitted that freedom. Okay all right. Hey Look Theresa cops the former patron. You're GONNA give me a bad apple review now because I use the word Negro right or should I call you Mrs Donoghue. I know she's still listens. This fucking girl any other tabloids. One out of their way to brand Dandridge as a highly sexed up and promiscuous woman who couldn't control her impulses to white men like she seduce. Peter Lawford Tyrone Power Michael Rennie Farley. Granger junior I don't think those dudes had an issue with sleeping with very beautiful. Dorothy Dandridge but the press also had a problem with with Darcy because she had a lot of pride and at one point. She refused to play roles that she felt were demeaning in other words because of her pride. They felt that she was uppity it. I mean that's a bad word. Oh I got a bunch of uppity blacks in this movie. That was to prevailing feeling the last thing she needed in nineteen fifty seven was more damaging gossip. And here's about are already shipwreck terrific. But she did take down that tabloid Marino Howrah help as well and that tabloid was gone so from like fifty whatever fifty six so till nineteen seventy-one there was no tabloid that was really wreaking havoc with the Hollywood stars. It wasn't a seventy one. When the guy named Generoso Pope started the national enquirer? So it's interesting that this. This is long line who owned the tabloids and what each one became but there would be no enquirer if confidential had been taken down by among other people. Donte. So it's pretty interesting. That in her career is black. Actress did that but three years earlier. You know everything was going great far after Carmen. John's Dorothy Dandridge bought a huge mansion and her quote was one hundred thousand dollars a picture but right before the confidential trial thing started getting shitty when she was offered an. She refused the role of a lifetime. She was offered the role of took him in the king and I which was a really big big budget prestigious picture even though I was supporting role it was a big role and it would have made her like a Hollywood fixture. Not just the one movie star. She would have been in the game but on the very bad advice from auto premature who she was Bankin She turned the role down because that part took in was a slave so the part went to read a Marino and the film was a worldwide Smash Rida Marino blows up. And then Dorothy Dandridge is left to think about what could have been after that the big studios would never offer her a major role again. Now she was under contract with Fox and Daryl ZANUCK had every intention of making major movie star but but but the studios riders scriptwriters. They couldn't figure out how to put her in a leading role with the white guy without facing a bunch of shit from the public and the press silently. The writers came up with a really bad film. Script called island in the Sun and there was a lot of meetings on who to cast alongside her and they eventually carefully came up with this very white British actor named John. Justin and Harry Belafonte With Joan. Fontaine and film kind of limped along and theaters just enough to keep her. But to keep Fox interested in Dandridge but when two more films after that went nowhere and in Nineteen fifty-nine she took the lead in Porgy and bess. Right major film. Big Budget Production Sidney portier. Sammy Davis Junior Dandridge hated the whole theme Portuguesa Drunk and best is a drug addict and the production of this film was just beset by one major setback. After another most of them financial it was released in the red. It flopped at the box office and now things are really bad. Now on the personal side she still cheating with the very married auto premature which was an open secret around Hollywood. Everything about the relationship humiliated her she? The worst part was they couldn't even be seen together in public unless they were prominent film. she got pregnant with images child but had an abortion to avoid another scandal. And then right after that she marries a hustler and a hotel owner named Jack Denison so horrible marriage not nearly as bad as a first marriage. Nineteen forty two to Harold. Nicholas Guy the part of the TAP. Dancing the Nicholas brothers active a great Dan. Apparently he's a motherfucker. Though they met at the Cotton Club in Harlem and thirty eight and nineteen forty-three she goes into Labor with her daughter. Caroline Suzanne but whereas Harry Nicholas Nowhere to be found. Meanwhile she's due any moment. He took the families only car and went golfing. Imagine a Black Guy Golfing in one thousand nine hundred forty. Three must've been a sight. But he left Dorky Dandridge along the hospital now the kid is born severely brain dead bad brain damage and she blamed the the dangerous brain-damaged condition on the delay in delivery which she felt was Har Fault and she also blamed herself. She blamed her her lack of sexual experience for the fact that Nicholas was cheating on her all the time. The whole thing was a disaster and by the way at this point is at anyone to Halle Berry Played Donkey Dandridge in the movie she won the Golden Globe Emmy and the screen actors Guild Award for shells so produced. The movie about her playing Dandridge not only do these have very similar look and sex appeal but both of them. Both of them had just broken pickers. They can't pick men piece to every Guy Halle Berry dated or married. Hit her or argued with her to the point. The cops were called. How much of this shit is about a woman picking bad man or the woman being broken herself? I mean you look at Halle Berry ask yourself. Why did west these types spike Lee The baseball player Dave Justice one of the hitter. I mean spike Lee hitting a girl. He probably seven inches shorter than her. It's very weird very weird phenomenon. I don't anyhow. Jettison took over Dandridge is career. Any fucked it up. He booked her in a bunch of second rate nightclub is suck an ongoing thing in Hollywood. These women who have so much to give they marry these assholes. I really feel bad for a lot of actresses in those days. They were taken to the cleaners by these creepy. Judy Garland so many actresses. This happens to so the guy runs into the ground. He he drops down or ticket value because she's in these second rate nightclubs. He also used a beat. The shit ever regularly. He spent all of her money on himself. And that caused Dorothy to hit the bottle. And now she's downing anti-depressants I mean. She was so fucked up on pills and alcohol that she fell asleep at their reception. Wait it gets worse. She lost what was left over. Cash in this get rich quick scheme involving oilwell investments. Shans up all in the IRS. One hundred and fifty K. In back taxes which back then was about a million dollars. She had to sell her big house in the Hollywood hills. The big match to pay it off. Then she moves into an apartment on Fountain Avenue in West. Hollywood is building. I'll tell you why in a second. And she took her daughter out of this specialty care nursing home and basically had the place in a state run mental facility. It's gross or mile video. Actually lived in the same complex. Is Dorothy Dandridge on found Nannu and when we did the mysteries and scandals episodes on her. We're able to actually go in the apartment. Because I knew the the manager of the location we went the apartment and we looked at the bathroom. I mean I know it's been all been redone and Shit But still to be in that bathroom where she died. That tiny bathroom. He just envisioned it. You really can't imagine but now that I've been around Hollywood for twenty five years that's A not shot and a lot of girls who just said fuck it a lot of men to but she finally divorced Denison nineteen sixty two but he was long gone by then. It was just a formality and she declares bankruptcy and took almost any role she could find to pay the bills. That's a bad spot to be in one day. She broke her foot really bad. She's practicing for a nightclub at and she was doing an act in Vegas and She broke a foot real bad so bad. She was bedridden for months. And that cost a ton of bookings so how long do you think it took for her drinking too out of control? I mean at this point who could blame her and then a depression kicked into and as beautiful as she was. Donte Dandridge was terrified at performing for live crowds and then the cost of keeping up her. Glamorous appearances for Nightclub Act was draining. What little money she had left. But she had to keep working so she's trying to survive on what the IRS left threat to have terrible way to live on September eighth nineteen sixty five dot these on the phone with her sister-in-law Jerry Brandon and before I end up. She says to her whatever happens. I know you'll understand. And then several hours later her manager earl mills finds her naked and dead on the bathroom floor. She swallowed a handful of anti-depressants. Called impre mean priming have heard of it amounted to those bills was I hope. Fan of them and She fatally overdosing right there on the floor bathroom. She was only forty two years old. Just ten years removed from her stardom in Carmen Jones. And the press like to say you know it's not established whether her overdose was on purpose or an accident. Well when she died she had two dollars and fourteen cents left in her bank account. So does it really matter? I'M A J Benza. And that was your podcast from March. Sixteenth Twenty twenty. Check out the patron. Today we've got a big show on the crazy life and death of Bob Crane some interesting morsels in that. Go to Patriot. Dot Com slash. Fame is bitch gang. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow. Thank you for listening famous. A bitch is an AJ Benza. Workhouse connect production featuring the endless wisdom insightful commentary in sometimes fucked up perspective. Aj Benza executive producer. Mike Agatha no technical producer Brian Vasquez.

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Film Session | Eddie

The Free Agents

59:01 min | 9 months ago

Film Session | Eddie

"So how's working from home being going for you? Remarkably remote from Goto meeting. We'll help you succeed in today's new normal in just three minutes or less we'll share simple but to keep you on track from managing your motivation workload and relationships to hosting attending virtual events that keep you connected with your clients and colleagues so checkout remarkably remote on your favorite podcasting platform or had to go to meetings dot com slash tips. We've got a hot went on line. Four Eddie from Manhattan. Good Morning Sweet. World and welcome to the no dump podcast on the athletic network. It's Friday may fifteenth. This is film session and today we're breaking down. Nineteen Ninety six basketball movie. Eddie I'm Jay skis alongside meet. Thanks TO THE POWER OF TECHNOLOGY TASS Melles everybody. Hey task got the bearded one trade Kirby the international man of mystery taking it to the Max Ellis Friends Last but not least the man making the magic cap and JD. Hello there isn't here. We Are we all storm the court to save the Knicks. Email us your questions and comments to know dunks at the athletic dot com will be stepping it up next week's accusing your comments in follow on social media both twitter and Instagram at no Dunks Inc. We had a huge guest on pop impacts yesterday. Li well done. Yeah thanks yeah. I told you it was a monster earlier. In the week I built it up and delivered. Yeah area was great. It was great. In fact he fact checked me mid mid pop and packs. It was incredible and he was having so much fun. He said you got another back there and I did so we busted I from two packs up thirty five minutes. I was like what the hell happened. Here did not know any. Nba Players. The opposite man. He's Knowledge Randy and so go get right in fact so great we are going to in full on podcast with aerial sometime. Hopefully next week the audio from that we could do that. Yeah but we're going to get a little bit deeper into it this. Yeah a lot of a lot of fun stuff to talk about so look look forward to one all right and you know we're on facebook at FACEBOOK DOT com slash. No dunks Inc. We'll I guess it's official. We're now on facebook all right. Today's basketball movie nine thousand nine hundred sixty directed by Steve. Rash might want to get that checked out. This one stars the incomparable Whoopi Goldberg. Who was busy in one thousand nine hundred ninety six? I think she films something like five or six movies that year and they all generally sucked the IMDB synopsis. For Eddie. It's one of the weirder ones. I think we've shared it. Reads COINCIDENCES LEAD TO THE NEW YORK? Knicks getting its loudest fan any as coach and then the next sentence season victory question mark. What A WEIRD SYNOPSIS? That is a weird movie. My first question tasks. Let's start with you. Did you find this movie funny at all? Did you laugh? Because it is supposed to be a basketball comedy. I'm going to say yes with several caveats because I think it was. Every line was a one liner type of funny. It wasn't very funny. I think there wasn't overextended grape. That's just a great positive. I think my mindset. We're when I was watching. It has has a lot to do with the way I felt about it. I mean I. The set of the movie is Madison Square Garden so that just puts you in a great mindset. Especially at this time we're in a basketball arena. That helped me out. I'm watching on Youtube as like every youtube not youtube. Tv Not Youtube premium not to read. That doesn't exist anymore. But you know you're in that mindset or you're not paying anything so. I'm watching Youtube like you know. The bar is lowered and just the snappy one liners. I like asides from Rick Fox. Who's talking about patent the superstar? Forty three thousand dollars a game. They pay him a dollar. A shot you know. Just quickies Greg Ostertag. Who'S THE GIPPER? You know? There is a cab driver cabdriver. Drinking a two liter bottle of sprite which is really really weird but whenever you get a cab or a left or an Uber. They're always drinking. Something huge is a real big big gulp. Maybe not a two liter. But you know they're packing it in for the rest of the day so even Walt Frazier the funny line there. Lots of cameos. Lots of cameos. Yeah Yeah and listen you said. He's run their pulled. Them quote sucked. But I look at least the lead actor here is an actor. A comedian of some some bread some shape or form. So you know. I thought the movie followed all that to say. You know it wasn't all that good. Yeah I'd like to clarify so. Whoopi be in the early nineties. Was knocking it out of the park lately. And she was in Ghost in Sister Act. One and two. She had a voice role in the lion. King I know she was in Star Trek. Tng for a while but yeah then in the mid ninety. She made a lot of just bad movies. I think this is one of them. I hate to say it like if you took away the Cameos from this movie. This is what I kept thinking about. Take away all the NBA players. And just make them. You know actors and take away all the broadcast. Cameos like Frazier and Chris Berman. And MARV ALBERT. Take away those. Oh my God like this movie would be atrocious. Wouldn't it without at least give it a little bit of life to US basketball nerds hundred percent right? I was thinking you know after we did the podcast yesterday. I said I saw this in theaters and I'm just thinking. Why did I see this theaters? I mean like you interest an early nineties. Whoopi was on top of the world. She could do no wrong. Up until Nineteen ninety-six. It seems I guess the whole reason was oh almost every single basketball players in this movie for a little tiny bit you know there was obviously quite the buy in from the NBA. But if you take away the NBA Angle. The movie gets pretty tough. I like to always making notes when I'm actually laughing out loud at one of these movies the only time that I had a legitimate chuckle. A Horse wearing basketball. Pretty funny still funny. I also thought wild bill was Sean Connery for like it was like. Wow they had sean connery like. Oh man definitely not have yeah. It's funny you said the NBA Angle. I actually watching it and thinking back on it. I was a little surprised that the NBA the Knicks will whoever that they allowed so much like poking fun of greedy players. Foreign players and like egotistical coaches actually it was a little shocked that that was allowed with the NBA branding. John Did you think that as well or not. Dan Never Cross my mind. I watched half this movie and I was like. Oh Rick Fox. Is he the only basketball player in this? Movie is no idea after doing some research I was. I was pleasantly surprised to see that most of them were basketball players. I mean from the NBA's point of view from the NBA fans point of view This movie is is a wet dream. Right it's this is the ultimate fantasy for any NBA Fan. I would think right And I think they kind of blew it in. That sense is just a tiresome piece of garbage and it it actually tasks it hurt my viewing experience watching it on youtube like half of standard definition is just. I don't mean to be a SNOB by common. It's twenty twenty. Release the thing on itunes. I'll pay a dollar for it. Why can't we? Why can't you rent this movie on any of the of the streaming platforms? That is the weirdest thing. Is that jam? James Dolan decide that actually believe that he's like no no no. This is a puts the Nixon badly. I guess a little bit. I don't want this out there. Yeah that's the most excited. I go this movie when I couldn't actually find it hoping I wouldn't be able to watch it but unfortunately you guys came through and delivered so I had to sit through it but yeah it's It's a rough watch but I will say look. I won't be has got some credit with me because of those things you mentioned early a ghost. Great movie she was fantastic as the as the fantasy. What does it Tara Tara Card Girls? And then the Hyena in the Lion King. She's also great and that and sister. Act SISTER so she'll go eddie. Yeah it was. It was tough. I mean I spent most of the movie trying to figure out coach Bailey. Where new from now I knew he was in snatches cousin. Avi and then I kept thinking he was billy batts in Goodfellas as well. But he wasn't Frank Vincent but before I google them like it's going I think it is him. I think it is but I got there and I was like not. That's not him so I WANNA I don't WanNA knock whoopie because I don't actually think this is Willoughby's fault that this movie stinks. I can't believe this when I found this out that it took eight people. Jd to write this move. Eight people have writing credits. And now I dug a little deeper and and four. There's two of them are listed twice. And I guess there's four people who came up with the story and then six people are however many people they overlap to to actually write the screenplay and wow I mean that's red flag right there if there's so many writers because it's been rewritten so many times yet somehow feels like a first draft. It's really made me angry in that. What a blown opportunity because you had an real NBA players. You had access. I know they didn't shoot inside him. Msg THEY SHOT IN CHARLOTTE. But but you have all this access you have these players who actually Kinda hold their own. I mean I didn't hate any of the performances from the players. The the real the the ones that made me. Marv made me angry The streeters made me angry angry. The president made me angry like it was just those those little those little cuddle ways of the cameo so to speak those were so stiff and obviously just thrown in there but I I felt like this could have had this movie could have had a lot more heart it could have just been as I said the NBA Fan ultimate dream like the fantasy. You have a chance to actually coached the Knicks and weirdly. Am I crazy is it is the premise? Almost plausible. Sitting there going okay. Let's Talk I just too into it like I was like okay all right like I thought it would be an earbud situation. Where a dog playing basketball? It's IT'S A. It's a fan coaching. The Knicks Right. Like I thought it would be like that but then I was like okay. Wins a contest sheets. A free throw the owner. Doesn't really care about the basketball. Is just a publicity stunt? Okay I'm Kinda I'm Kinda in on this I I I'm gonNA suspend my disbelief to the point of I'm buying this. You know what I mean but it's just tasks you weren't buying it the the story of her becoming the coach. I think you've been a little too close to basketball the last few years. Jd maybe or drinking the KOOL aid. I know it's not the premise. The premise part. I did like she is booted out of the arena. That's a very James Dolan thing to do. That's a very current thing to do. So that part kind of played played but I like the I like the fact that we're back at a basketball game for most of I mean we're seeing opening lineups in a PA announcer. Does you are your fan being yanked out? Yeah honorary coach or whatever she had on her Jersey to be named the coach and as a fan. No I can't I can't even even in this stir-crazy state I'm in. I'd just could not bite even watching it on Youtube. It's like I'm watching. I'm tune in for like a four-minute Handyman video. And then all of a sudden it will be pops up. I'm like WHOA. I'll watch this low expectations but Nah can't can't buy that. It's realistic Lee. Lee What did you think of the whole plot where yeah we'll be? Eddie comes down shoots a free throw three three people shoot a free throw. I forgot about that part. You got the guy in the slick suit who I guess is like Harlem Globetrotter Player. Get free throw. He actually throws over the backboard. Doesn't he think so? There's another younger girl and misses I. But what is it? Eddie's free throw technique and just how fun that contest would be Li. Yeah I mean if that's all it took to coach the Knicks then. I'd begun every single knicks game to try to go for sure and really. I mean considering how the Knicks of Gordon lightly wouldn't be the worst idea to just say. Hey let's just give someone a shot at this. Why the Hell Not so? Yeah I mean it's kind of obviously you go into it knowing us a stupid movie. Then that idea that she shoots a free throw and then she becomes coaches like. Yeah sure why not. Let's roll it and see where it goes. So it's I like it. I like it as as an idea and are definitely be down for. It's like it's sort of like in a weird way. What was the baseball movie? Rookie of the year. Type vibe right like I know. He's the athlete. I guess the kid is the athlete because he's got a crazy arm. We've seen other movies like this in real life. We this am bony driver. Go in as long. So why not you know. It's it's a fantasy movie really I mean. So that's what I mean by plausible. I mean the way. They got to her sitting on the bench and coaching the Knicks was. It was okay like it. Just it just. I don't know I was fine with it. I mean I guess but what okay. Let's go through the Knicks roster because there are a lot of NBA players playing characters. And then I wanNA talk about what the Hell Actually Eddie does to turn around the Knicks. That weren't really bugged me. I'm with you JD. Plausible enough. The Ted Turner two point. Oh up there wild bill. He sees something in her. Let's sell some tickets. So they they rigged the contest. We should've pointed that out for her to come down and shoot the free throw. I think there's a Goof in this movie. I read that they announced the seat number. And I'll and it's actually not the she's sitting in one letter off or something funny but the Knicks Roster. Okay Mark Jackson. He is Darren Taylor. Aka The preacher. We got me Celia rest in peace. He is Stacey Patton. Rick Fox Terry Hastings John Salley Nate Wilson Duane. I know I'm probably saying that wrong. That's right that's okay recipes to him as well he is he. Is Yvonne Make Basket? He's the big Russian Ivan Ivan. Just any of Greg Ostertag. He's Joe Sparks. He's the dummy and then for some reason I don't know why they throw in an actual actor Verdel singleton. Is Jamal Dunkin? We don't get a lot of him but he attended and played basketball with shack at Lsu yet skill you could hang. That's the team so a lot of NBA players there. But what does any do when she comes in? And I will say I liked this movie. I like that should be becomes the coach or the honorary coach. Where you'RE GONNA call it and they don't win right away like I sorta did like that little twist like don't you lose three games in a row or something. Seven is a seven up to just strolling with John. Salley spiders so we have more losses than you have legs spider so okay so yes she loses a ton of games but is I guess. Great bad publicity is still good. Publicity is the idea from Ted Turner while Bill. But what does she do? What does won't be due to turn this team around. Someone explained it to me. I know there are little things with each player but even barely right the big thing with Rick. Fox's the bonding with him and helping him in his relationship because he's like maybe getting a divorce so she helps him with that. She helps Yvonne with playing defense and speaks his language a little bit. And and what stacey patent she spends benches them. I mean that that's what she does right. That's it yeah. That's a an gives the general inspiration right well and she takes that charge from Stacey practice you know the troops are just rallying around her. They're happy to be playing for Eddie in that moment. And she gets all the hanger on out of the Locker Room. She tries to make that or fashionable lunch. True she says rights when she first meet Meets Wild Bill. She's in she's outside the Limo and she sang. She saying exactly what they need to do. And it's you know it's very simple. I may get into his head in the game. Have you tried apologizing for cheating on your wife? Have you tried that? Rick but You buying that plausibility. J. D. just happens to driver around the owner of the team. Why not? She's a limo driver and she didn't Bhai was her driving the Limo right up to the plane and then while bill being on the phone and say like just noticing. Oh my limos here Fino eight little almost knocked you over next year private plans. Okay but yeah I mean. Every player had a personal problem or something that and that's where this movie fails right. You could have gone sort of deeper into rick. Fox's problems and and and and the the language barrier with the Russian and I can't remember any of the other ones but it's just You had a great opportunity to sort of go into a dysfunctional team. That needed some psychological. Help maybe and then she. She helps with that. You know that that's fine. I mean you need simple solutions again. This is the NBA players dream rights. Ambi it's fan base so you just go in and you you fix the team. And how do you fix it? While they're they're simple problems that you can fix but you know trying to get trying to get What's his face to be less selfish? I mean he. She basically gets his mother involved right. I mean the whole scene. Yeah the ambush at the street. Ball thing which is very plausible. Now not so weird but again It's a it's a blown opportunity. I I want to remake this movie with with entirely really just make bring him in there and It would be great. Okay Lee what would what would be your your first thing that you would do if you're suddenly coaching the Knicks Twenty twenty. What are you doing the play coach? So you're fine. Yeah that's what I'm doing. I'm going to call the shots rang. Point Guard yeah. I mean I'm the coach so I can't really can sort of bench. Guys and Rod rotates can't really sign guys though. Can I so? I can sort of picks on my old favorites at Light Rally. Very Allen against they come out of retirement income. Play with me but yeah I would. I would just have a lot of fun out there. As a WHO is lucky enough to be a blake exactly seriously like would that be a worse? Storyline than what we saw was. I don't think so. I think I'll do the same thing if I was play coach. Would you walk into the locker room into the shower? And point out how small thirteen forgot about saving. That's right back to back movies with Pena's Oh my God okay. Back to her limo driver. I always also confused. I get it that she is a liberal driver. Driving Limo. She also the dispatcher. Doing that whole thing where she showing us. How die hard of a fan she is. She's basically doing play by play in the game for all the other. Limo drivers right So they can. I don't know why they're not listening to the radio. The actual professional broadcast but they decide. It's gotta be Eddie telling me what's going on in this game but I guess she just sort. It does both in a weird way. Or maybe that's like that's her boss is like come on. Get out there and drive. Do I do have some trivia questions though early. Okay what was their old monroe's nickname and I mean in real life. The pill and how many consecutive games did don't Shays play when he was with the Syracuse Nets to questions date with? We'll be is on the line here lately. I seventy I duNno. I don't know what the answer is to that one one of the movie. What about the fact that they did pick guys who have had previous acting experience as basketball players? Nice little positive there John Salley and Rick Fox. Yeah they didn't join selling fantastic actually in this. He's for the best same. I was like how come he doesn't have brick. Fox's acting career they both launched it around this time and he's just so natural out there. Yeah what A. What a gift to the movie. That they completely squandered. 'cause he's really really great he could have been the one that took Eddie under his wing and just basically just told ever told her. What would the problem with any kind of does but yeah it could? He could have been the iota of the movie. You know like this is what you gotta do. You gotta go out and and you've got to believe in yourself or whatever use the forest go out and change this team but and he has the chops to pull that off. I thought he was great in this movie. Yeah I agree I mean. He's is he not playing. Basically the exact same character as Tom. Barringer in Major League as the Catcher Jackie Taylor sort of what he is and it's a great point and he's fantastic and I do agree with you guys. I think John Salley awesomeness and I would have liked way more John Salley in this movie I at one point I thought they were like I thought they were. Bonin down for a second central got a little central and they're walking inside. Msg that one time. Yeah them the spider once you get wrapped up in that Web. He was good when you think of all the other. Rick Fox has been in a lot of stuff. I thought he was fine in this movie. I guess but well. Did you think Dwayne playing the Russian or Greg plan the dummy and all these guys like any other of the rules? I thought they were all pretty fair. To be honest. I thought did a great job carrying a basically the comic relief of just having the same line every movie and then even when he speaks in Russian he says the exact same thing. I thought he did a fair job. And I thought Greg Ostertag that scene where he's trying to check in and he leaves his pants on than we see his ass he falls over. I'm like that's just classic star tag there physical comedian. Yeah he had. He had a few lines in there. The old The nineties questionable line in there when he tripped somebody called him a retard and the fact that whoopee was calling the team girls over and over and over and Orien- like he's Lee Ellison twenty fourteen over and over. What was the point of that like to put them down? I mean is that was that the the point? Yeah I notice. Did you notice how many times and I thought this was odd? How many times wild bill called whoopee or Eddie? Little girl says it all the time like. Yeah but you're right. The team to there was a lot of this in the nineties. I just thought it was a sort of Toronto. Motivate them to try to say a little girl stuff like that. That's the way I took it but yeah the little girl stuff as well was it does look pretty bad now. Does at the time and again. It's a movie so there's a there's a little bit of leeway but it just sort of uncomfortable watching. Eli can't really enjoy it. I mean the movie sucked anyway down another run but what about Scott Burrell making another jacket? Yeah directly to Scotty Burrell quick quick. Yeah what was your favorite like not the guys that are on the Knicks not actual NBA players on the Knicks. Roster in this movie. But what was your favorite other. Nba Player Cameo. Because there is like Brad and Avery Johnson Dennis. Rodman there is. There is a lot. Did you have a favorite trae. Rodman was Great Spurs Robin. You even see Jack Haley. They're running up and down. He sidled up next to Eddie. Bad shots bag coach. Would whoopie chimes in bad hair. But at least I look at how great the Dennis Rodman also loved olden polynice explaining what a black hole is. That's that's the best funniest part. Yeah but some of those quips could have been a little quick beer. I mean bad here. I mean why not insult Whoopi. I don't know had ten writers on this time. I was so disappointed that that was the jokes. They came up with Dennis Rodman. That was it a the mail that in like from. Yeah but I did like the old important. I thought that was funny. Scott to hear Avery Johnson's voice again. The old squeaker on the basketball floor. We get we get a weird montage in this movie where the Knicks are starting to win this. Is You know after had her sort of heart to heart conversations with some of the guys and she sat patent and all that and the montage like the Knicks playing well playing better spliced with Eddie picking male cheerleaders. Yeah Holy Crap. I was like why what is going on here. But you guys know. I was very happy to see the Macarena being done during that dance audition but I was not happy to see that. Move that the guy who eventually won was doing where he had his hands on his knees and he was kind of bringing his shoulders forward. I was like this is too much like an actual insect man. A just an odd is so weird so many things and this is where it back to the holy story. Jd like in real life could an MBA owner higher? Leila's to coach. His team is like. Is that legal is. There's there's some like weird coaches association that he would have to be a part of you. Tell me I don't know I think you would think you would have to write something. Like that. Would have to be approved by the coaches association to just have Li come in there as they said at the scorer's table when Eddie's finally becoming the real coach but there's nothing in the book you can't change a coach right before the game just like. There's no rule in the rule book that a dog can't play basketball just like if a player hasn't played in the tournament. You are allowed to play just as long as their name is written down. There are a lot of rules that weren't covered in the nineties. Assume they'd been changed in a subsequent. Cbs possibly. I will say another realistic part of this. Unrealistic movie is David Letterman hitting us with and the number one reason. Any Franklin has the Knicks playing. So well right now. Coed showers and the reason. I say realistic. Because that's not that funny at all but the number one of the top ten list was never that funny right number two always the banger. So I wonder what they had for number two anyway. Didn't didn't number one didn't number one have to make sense. Well yeah but it always dunk. Remember always disappointed. I thought it was all as Gimme a softball I was like. Oh Yeah you're right when it's yours doesn't make sense. I don't really get it. I guess they're just like a woman. Is Their coach excited? Shower together so weird. I mean if this movie was made today you would. You would get a room full of comedians like comedians. Hire them for a week and then just spit ball and come up with Burns and jokes and and do all that which they didn't bother doing the only comedian that they had on in the production. Was Whoopi. And I love Whoopi Goldberg. I've I've never not liked her in anything. She's been in no matter how bad it's been including this movie but I never find it. Funny ever really. She is very charming to me but I never laugh out loud. She never she's never made me laugh. But I do. I do like her right. Never offensive never hilarious. Yeah that's that's that's right up the alley for sure but you were offended by Marv Albert. I need to go back to this because I. I didn't mind Marv at the scores table whatsoever. Why did MARV angry? I just found it. I found it very scripted. And very not real. I've list having the years having listened to Marv Call Games. And he's just been a ubiquitous part of our lives and just to hear him speak like this was just seemed really stiff to me like he was reading off of a script which he he never sounds like that to me so it was jarring for me. Maybe I'm off base. I don't know but the point a good point I mean he's done it for so long that every time he does something quote unquote scripted. It doesn't sound scripted. That's true this was probably I read. There was never. There was never any point in this movie that I didn't. I wasn't one hundred percent aware that I was watching. A movie is never a good sign. Yeah and then the negative about having it on Youtube was I was going over in a side window and watching Dwayne chinses makes makes them jokes when he was with the Boston. Celtics I wasn't fully fully am dedicated to this movie whatsoever so that I think that helped my rating to Steve Rash. Jeez what did you think of the whole street ball scene where we get John? Starks Anthony Mason rest in peace a lot of NBA players in this movie passed away. Gary Payton plays States patent one on one. Yeah then we get the weird part. Mom shows up but what do think of that whole scene. Yeah that was good basketball again Could atmosphere good craft? There is was not good basketball. Gary Payton is one of the greatest defensive players of all time and he gets blown by every single time for Stacey Patton Dunk would've put me on stacey patent and the first three games. I would've taken him down in one on one. That's the I remember the the address of those costs but I played the last year when I went to New York and there was nobody there but I played against some kid but it was fun. But Payton hit a couple of Florida's. Oh like he was okay he was just you know he's not going lay down. He's not going to lockdown pattern in the movie be great if he did though started talking trash to. Maybe that would have added a little something to the movie if they They actually like Gary Payton. Play for real but yeah I mean I was fine basketball. I suppose I mean it was just sort of thrown in there really at this point of the movie again. I'm just waiting for to win. So it's like you just looking applies and you gotta get that guy go to yet okay. Next right right right. Well let's get to ending of this movie so because we get the whole we find out that while bill has plans to sell the team and to move the team to saint. Louis you're in New York. You've just bought the Knicks winning games. There may be going to make the playoffs and this guys. He's already thinking about selling them it was. I found that shocking You may want to keep them there in New York and have a winning team but so we find that out in any of course. Is You know upset she. I like this one line. This is my favorite line from the movie. You don't own the Knicks. New York owns the Knicks So she basically tells me off. Come self when they're out there on the balcony and but now she's in the dilemma of if we win. This final game against the Hornets were in the playoffs. Which means then that sale is going through. And the team's being moved to Saint Louis if we could I could throw the game. We could throw the game. And maybe that sale doesn't happen but TACO I mean and then we get everybody coming onto the court. I mean somebody else talk this out. This is insane. I hated the. Oh Yeah I actually light this movie for the first two thirds and then I started wondering myself man. Where's wild bill? We haven't seen that guy for a while. And then he shows up and he's trying to move the next the most insane possible ending. This could even conceivably have like the Knicks and the Lakers are the two most valuable franchises in the league largely because of where they're located right like every team basically moves away from Saint Louis so this guy comes out here. He brings his horse looking like Matt Austin around with a horse wearing basketball shoes. And we're supposed to. I mean he burns. Down Walt Frazier's Jersey. The very first thing that happens. Yeah once he gets introduced right so we're supposed to know this guy. This guy doesn't care about tradition but Supposedly he cares about money and he's trying to move to Saint Louis come on but and and all it took You know any going to half court. Basically telling the fans what's going on and everybody storms the floor and like lines up perfectly and then he's like okay. God You guys got me. You're right. We're keeping them here like nothing. Nothing happens to him in the end right my missing something like while bill just says st he lost We lost the sale. He's going make way more money in the I know it's Weird. A little correction. He wasn't going to move the team he was going to sell. There's only wanted to move it. Yeah so and who would want to do that? I mean nobody. It's completely implausible. But the climax of the movie is that I guess and then the Russian takes charge right. Wow that's the climax of the movie is the second movie we've seen where the game is decided by a judge so but this is not to win the championship either. This is just make the playoffs. Yeah so I'll give the movie credit for that that it wasn't the championship-deciding play that we climaxed on instead. It was just like what happens in the United States. I round I was I was actually just. Everybody was on the court like that I was. I was actually a little hopeful as just this. Does this movie have the balls to end in a in a? What's IT called Defunding four didn't have the balls. This movie in four would have been pretty ballsy. I would've enjoyed that. Actually it's like we. We're willing to miss the playoffs. We'll keep the Knicks where the Knicks are supposed to be in New York City. But yeah yeah or or like next level. Allow the Hornets to score. Like right open right and me like you said same idea. Let them win so we can lose but keep the team in New York. Yeah yeah that would have been a surprise. One of the writers didn't speak up and throw that idea out there. They just went back to the classic basketball movie. Trope of if you talked about a basketball strategy. It has the payoff in the end. Somehow what coach is coming in to an offensive puddle and saying go right at the Big Guy? He never planned his feet. Men will never take charge a layup. Well Larry Johnson. I think he'd double dribble twice. I mean that was brutal. I know it was. It was cut me. That looked like he was doubling dribbling. But he did and instead they call the charge and they they win in. They're headed to the playoffs to lose it. Four or five games in the first round. We talked about Eddie. Maybe having a little something a little something would neat Wilson with John Salley. Who knows who knows they were reaching here. I also WANNA ASK. Though did she have she. Sex with muggsy. Bogues was crushing when he's on crutches. Maybe that's why he's in crutches. It's possible yes you could eat. She was very friendly to Muggsy. I'm reading from one other relationship. I found out about doing some research in this movie. Yvonne takes a girl into his hotel room when the guys are telling them P. H. A. Say Your say she's fat Ph Eighty. That woman is flawed. Divas actual wife on a diva actress really trivia there. I hated that scene more than any other is just so you got any in hotel room. And then all of the play the entire team returning from the club or wherever. They're coming from the bar and they all decided to. Well it's bedtime. Let's go everybody. Bring your girls bring your drinks? We're all going to our separate rooms at the same time and the Russian just happens to find the one Russian girl in the bar and it's just like A. This is the laziest filmmaking I've ever seen like it's just like I understand their NBA players. You GotTA budget you gotTa time restrictions but God damn it is just. This is ridiculous. Hated every second of that same. It was weird. She's rushing wise and he talking to her in Russia. I can't speak English. It wasn't an American girl that would make sense. You said there was a time constraint. I read that Mark. Jackson said he was on set for a month and a half. Oh my God. I don't know how that's possible. Like I mean unless he was just saying he was in Charlotte while they were filming us for a month and a half and maybe I know he was injured around the time to Oh my God. Where did you find the information on this movie because I could not find anything any articles? Anything A review. I couldn't even find so I don't know man stars Roger Okay. Oh yeah this does not do well with the critics or the fans I would say We'll get to that later though. Another relationship question was Eddie married. Okay Okay yes. She was to the media now did her so. Her father had died and her husband had died. That's the question 'cause like when she first comes down she's in that first huddle with the next. She's talking to John Salley. She's like I met my husband. He was wearing your Jersey right and then we saw watching the home. Video of Clay Davis has a COP coaching. Kids Yeah I guess he was dead. Yeah I think so because she does mention her husband was in the hospital and what I think there was a real throwaway line right and why why do I think her dad was dead then to? I don't remember her down. Maybe I thought it was. I thought it was her husband but it was so quick and I really only noticed on my second viewing. I can't believe I watch us. Think my own my watch this twice. What's wrong with this guy? I gotTA talk about it. I got a lease talk about. Yeah and if I'm putting on my producer hat like my first is we need to see this guy earlier. We need to see the dead husband like not near the end of the movie at least halfway through the movie and it has to be at her lowest point right. Yeah but why? Why does her husband has to be dead? Yeah I mean because there's no real like it's not like I the only thing I can think of is to show us. Just how invested in the Knicks. She is because she's got no husband. No kids to a club jerseys. I don't know I just don't get the it's not like it didn't feel like the team was filling that void in her heart. You know what I mean. Yeah if I definitely could have felt that if we have been introduced him earlier or learned learned a little bit more about him and also. We should have seen her. The first scene of this movie should've been her. Coaching coaches total right. I mean really. That was the that was when I was like okay. Maybe this movie has got something. Maybe there's a little bit of hard here because I really loved that scene of of cheesy and it's a cliche but it's like why are you mentioned my kid? Well he got a D. N. English of Blah Blah Blah. Yeah but it shows that she's got heart she cares about more than just basketball more and and that would make it a better movie. And that's why if she if that's what. Her approach of coat of. Coaching Kids as she applies to coaching the Knicks. Then you got a better movie. I mean it's still simplistic as Jalan and totally. You know ridiculous but at least you have heart and maybe maybe I'm crying a little at the end. So you'd think there. Yeah it sounds like you think. There's a strong foundation to this movie. It's just they built the worse. Look and house ever absolutely. Yeah okay. Let's get to some random observations. We'll get started here. You know we said there's like seven or eight writers. Whatever it was on this movie I think I figured it out why they had so many and where all that energy was being put into this movie. I think it was writing the signs that because I want you to tell me what was your favorite sign in any. Was it straight up. Nick Stink. Okay was it a little bit later. Eat them alive or by far my favorite. You really had to pause your youtube screen to see it up in the top when she headed up. Their nose bleeds. Showed it the sign read for this? I'm missing BAYWATCH WEIRD SIDE TAKE NBA game but people start taking that side. Games Prime Baywatch Times. I wasn't a mid nineties booming. Why does it say for this missing? I'm missing Baywatch for this. I feel like a lot more than I got. I got a few more. I don't know if anybody else back to her. Like the whole limo thing and she's calling into the radio station. She gets other radio stations so quickly because she just says. Put me on with this putz and like the producers like when we got a hot one that's all it takes to get on live radio sports radio we got put me putts where we got a hot one. Get her on. And that's basically all I got the only other thing I wrote down was at one point. Eddie pronounces defense. She says defense like character on. Oh hello oh I just found that weird pronounced defense in a very strange way. She's actually fixes it later in the movie but yeah any other random observations. You must have been happy to see nick. Vanik will get a couple of buckets out there wasn't dds three basically this movie. Yeah I was very happy with that. That's all I got. There's the scene where basically the dance coach brings Eddie out to dance with the team. All I can think is which. Nba Coach would most nail a half time choreography leaving. He's got the best moves out there. Oh Wow wow. Wow probably yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking. Stressed R- like those karaoke things kind of control in the room. That's a good pick for some reason. I don't know if he'd be horrible or fantastic. Sneaky Great Dancer. Got Rick Carlisle high on. Maybe it's because sleep great. Maybe I'm a looks like Jim Carey so I think he's bendable and movie or something this sure that's why they call Lloyd Pierce limber. Lloyd Pierce is Bendy No. I'm taking yeah I think he is. I'm taking a young man. He's loyd pairs. That's a good question. Pierce out of Atlanta coaches. The Atlanta Hawks. If people don't know that know the hawks picked up a win in this movie early on I think so a blowout win if I'm not mistaken. Tries to give them a guilt trip in it doesn't work Funniest NBA Cameo for me. Was Joe Wolf Shooting in eighteen? Jump Joe it's shot Joe. Wolf looked like a looked like he didn't know he was filming a movie. Did it look like he knew it was going on? Maybe he's a great actor. I don't know. Yeah the the hawks blow them out. You're right the Spurs win one. Twelve eighty nine the bucks win one twenty six ninety three. I mean this is. This is the ninety s scores. Like that just didn't exist. One hundred twenty. That's a lot of points. So that's how bad the knicks work Anything else tasks any other. Random quickies Mark Jackson. The preacher didn't get preachy. At all. I didn't mind he just didn't like the cursing I think there was an asshole and mark was like Whoa. Whoa WHOA WHOA. Not Going to have that on my court. But he didn't really get into anybody's face anything in mind that so it wasn't you know I like that. It wasn't over the top. Just like the Chris Berman Multiple appearances. Yep You know. This wasn't Dick vitale. Love and basketball where you get a three minute. Dick vitale diatribe. This was Chris. Berman was talking about the next or get. They're getting better and they could go all the way they didn't he didn't push it girl. It was just a quick buck. They could go all the way so I like. That was a little subdued. Not Bad at all. And I like the reference Whoopi Goldberg's seats and how much they cost. And she's she said they're two thousand bucks and that is bang on. Yeah what seats would cost at that point. We actually when I purchase seats in two thousand and one with a mandate sense. The whole package cost two thousand dollars exactly so their banging on they might be a little bit more in New York. The Knicks were actually good to Yeah Yeah I agree with that. I thought that I was like not bad. I also like the little misdirect at the beginning of the movie. When she sat with her friend down low heckling her own coach on her team. And I was like okay. She sits there. Wow okay. They got wounded. Get him out of here. Yeah they went to the nose bleeds. And you've got the guys wearing the paper bags that was realistic for Knicks fans. So I didn't mind that little part to one more note I wrote down. Oh my God final game. It maybe do it twice in the movie but yeah they do. The weirdest huddle break yet. You know basketball movie. We've seen Ho Ho. Oh Ho yes. Anybody ever heard that before. No no it wasn't that her husband's thing with the kids on the ice. Yeah but why I mean. Tommy Mottola planned Santa Claus. What's going on nine? Maybe they're playing against Scotty Burrell again. I don't know it's good okay. Before we grade this movie a quick word from our sponsors Sundays. Am I right? Sundays are worse than Mondays. In a lot of ways I mean for other people not me. I Love Sundays these days looking down the barrel at a week of talking about a documentary survivor and a random basketball movie. Nah I'm good with Sunday's or any other day of the week I'm talking about people who actually work for a living. It's that feeling of anxiety. Knowing on Monday the grind starts up again. It gets under your skin. It can ruin your weekend. And that's no way to tackle the week ahead introducing Sunday. 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And I found one by accident at a flea market the other day and not seen the movie and I wondered why out of all the movies that a person might possibly want in their collection. She wanted this one so I decided to watch it before sending it on with the excuse for opening it that I wanted to make sure it was still watchable being a some of the movies. I found it flea. Markets have proven to be. Well worn out copies on occasion. Well there was nothing that I did not predict way before it happened. In this one it was an enchanting story but about which to think deeply. I did notice a veiled feminist. Wien in the premise. And I suppose this is what my friends saw. That made her desire this movie. It will not bore you but I doubt you'd find yourself wanting to tell everyone to go see this one either. I hope my friend is happy with her gift. That's the review from this person. That's it that's where it stops. So what a weird one anyway tasks. How you grading Eddie? While I was happy to see one Mark Jackson Post up at the end and out of five Mark Jackson Butts down low in the post. GimMe two out of five Mark Jackson. That's four out of ten cheeks. I guess just two hundred five two zero two five M J going down low preacher man. I guess I'm not a critic. I guess I'm right in line with the fan scored their Lee. What do you think there are three types of weapons in this World Whoopi Goldberg Whoopie Pie? And the whoopie cushion. I give this movie. I'll be coercion. Did Not like right. I can't deny it. I enjoyed watching any. I can't say anything to the contrary the first two thirds of the movie. I was just happy to be seen Whoopi again. I was happy to see and all these basketball players and I remembered why a young child as a twelve year old. I WOULD WANNA see this being said it completely falls apart with the cartoonish steal the team villain right. It's basically the exact same plot as a major league except for Major League was super funny and you can imagine a team moving away from Cleveland. A rich businessman would never have the idea of trying to or any businessman with try to move away from New York City. That doesn't make any sense to me. I guess it's the only way you can kind of get an US against them mentality. You have to be fighting against the owners that being said. I think you're right skeets. I think the reason that this movie is so hard to find in there so hard to find any information about. It is because the Knicks. Don't want fans to actually do this and occupy Madison Square Garden. Because that is something that might actually work to get some movement in the front office. So I like the first two thirds of the movie. I'm giving this twenty eight thousand seven hundred stacey patent dollars out of forty JD. What I think that this movie has good bones. I think that they could have made this a decent movie anyways an NBA fans wet dream. But they just it fell short so out of five. Nba Fan wet dreams. I'M GONNA give it zero nine. What would not even a one for the bones not Roman? Oh now because I'm I'm angry that they messed it up. They had something you know what I respect things. If you have a bad premise and you end you screw it up. That's one thing but if you have a really really good but a decent premiss something that you could make work and you mess it up then then I cannot forgive that serves zero. Okay okay. That's rough I'll graded a little bit better than that. Not much better. We've talked about it. Six writers seven writers eight writers who ultimately cares his way too many writers for what we got from this movie. Because there's a lot of funny lines in that and then saying you know. I do like Whoopi and I think the NBA players Cameos are. I don't think they're that bad. In fact I think John Sally's quite talented. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA grade this two out of eight Eddie writers because I like some parts and I think maybe tasks right the more I think about it. It's just like Oh that was cool to see basketball for a little bit. That was sort of Nice and then all the other stuff going on in this move. The ending is absolutely atrocious. And I'm glad you said it there trae. I did like wild bill. In his fine his fine suit with the don't like diamonds rhinestones on it. And it's got the white Capi did look like Mad Austin in our extreme horse video so I like that part too. Just like Mad Austin. He was always doing something with this hat. Guys always putting on his hat and some point true. Okay that's what we think of any not that high on it. Maybe you disagree with us. Let us know on twitter at no dunk sink. Hashtag NO DUNKS or email us. Get your questions and comments in two step next week. No dunks at the athletic dot Com. What movie should we do next? Gentleman run out there. You guys really want to tackle. I'd like to do a good movie. That's not gonNA be over here. Yeah well I mean what are good bass. He got game. A lot of people like game never seen it. Okay Hoop Dreams a documentary. So it's a little different Let us know out there. I know there are other good movies. I think he got game would probably be on a lot of people's lives and we have so many people stop telling us to watch space jam by the way. Oh God I watch and space jam space jam earlier In the quarantine. Because I wanted to show the girls Michael Jordan and bugs bunny all this kind of stuff but I also at the same time taking notes the entire time so I don't have to watch it a second time if we ever go. Wow that's smart okay. Okay well let us know what movie you want us to watch next. Session at. Dunking clipper rose. You heard it here. I have a great. I'm turn up. Love you guys awesome. Thanks for joining US and remember. 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REShow: Rick Fox, Ed Bouchette and Scott Dixon. Hour 3 (09-18-18)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Rick Fox, Ed Bouchette and Scott Dixon. Hour 3 (09-18-18)

"Rich Eisen on demand, your show your schedule, fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. All right. Hour number three of the rich Eisen show is on the air. We just had Willie mcginest in studio our to any helped us interview von Miller. That was a great moment of pass rushers together right here on the program. Scott Dixon. We'll be joining us from the IndyCar series. Our friend from Honda, he'll be joining us calling in towards the end of the show Edwards shed of the Pittsburgh post gazette who is the first to break the fact that ain't Tonio Brown was not at work for the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday. Mike Tomlin spoke about it today saying that he couldn't wait to you look forward to meeting one on one with Antonio Brown, who did not according to Tom requested trade. Despite what we saw on Twitter yesterday, there has been an Instagram response by the way, talk about twenty first century stories. There was a Twitter post that got people upset with Antonio Brown in an Instagram response MS agent. We'll get that later on with Chris Brockman with a news update, but I now turn to my right and I find a three time NBA champion who is. Now deep into the league of legends, the most played PC game in the world over one hundred million active players and the league of legends e. sports, fourteen professional leagues worldwide manage wearing the echo FOX gear right now wreck FOX. Yeah. I. Owner of a millennial. Like part Dr bus part like, you know. If I could get a percentage of what Dr has been to the professional ownership world of sports. I, I would be involved with all of this. Well, I just a passionate love for video games to begin with. I mean, I cut my teeth as a competitor playing video games before even found a basketball. So that started their played video games throughout my life, introduce him to my son, how we spent time together. And then he introduced me to a whole world that had started to evolve around the video game industry where developers like riot and legal legends had created leagues where players were actually making a living being professional players. Right? And so I went to a live event in Madison Square Garden about three years ago and took it in an arena tonight played many times before and got the chills and saw the crowd sold out crowd and fell in love with so so many people who haven't been to one of these events or don't know about it. Don't take it seriously right. Okay, because it's video gaming. Right? But I mean, video games when video games are released, it makes more money than movies make an entire year, maybe even all of movies together. So it's a serious big business to say the least. How so how would you get involved as an owner was at somebody who invited you in, or you said I want in is right. The barrier of entry a few years back with a little easier than his today. I mean, franchises today sell for twenty thirty million dollars. I had an opportunity through, like I said, just an experience that I had at Madison Square Garden that led me to go on the journey to find out what it would. It would take to become a league of legends odor, and it was at that time that I bought a slot, like basically buying a expansion team that wasn't doing so well. And I came into that slot and became an owner very quickly. I realized I had to get a coach, get facility players negotiate contracts as you like that? Yeah, it was. It was invigorating. It was overwhelming. Gave me a true sense of what it meant to be an owner in sports twenty to be on the field of plates. Another thing to be to be the behind scenes, helping execute that great graciously and gratefully. I had a lot of partnerships and help in that area. So you know, I'd never run an organization before, so I learned quick on the job but had a lot of help doing okay. Is it difficult handling talent. Yes, it can't be. Especially when you come from up the road here with the Lakers where you know the expectations championship level so you, you leave that arena and you expect to win championships in the new arena. Yeah, and it's not that easy. You know when you talk about the understanding of what this world is and the the importance of how serious it is. It is. It is not only my life as an owner. Yeah, but it's a group of players who I now a steward of their professional career per se. I had a shepherd them through net only becoming pros and learning how to be a pro because it isn't a lot of ways new industry, right? I have to shepherd them into learning how to become champions and that that requires them understanding. Yes, they have talent. Yes, they have the skill and putting in the repetition to develop the the mastery of it. But you know, there's the on field and as the offi. All right. There's the in game and outta game on if you don't understand how to handle your money and understand out of hand. Critics and how to be a good teammate and how to be coach -able, all those things that go with any traditional sports, then you're gonna probably be out of a job, Rick Fox here and the rich Eisen show no names here though. I mean, 'cause you know, having been a player for as long as you were in the association. There's always those teammates are players where an owner ownership just roll their eyes and got to be kidding. I gotta deal with this. What's the craziest story of you having to deal with a gamer? Well, no name, no names. But you know, when you are coming up in the gaming industry, depending on your choice of game, a lot of times you hone those skills in a solo atmosphere, right? Where you hold them as if you were out in a gym shooter shots, get your shots, but then you're part of a team environment. So you have to learn how to interact with other. You're not on your couch basement or anywhere right days with technology today you can play games on your phone on your laptop against anybody anyway, is anywhere in the world. And I think that's what created the accessibility technologies created the growth at such a rapid pace. At a young man, it went from player and became a coach, and he'd never been a coach before. So in all fairness to him, he I've had some great coaches, Dean Smith, Phil Jackson legends of the game. So my expectation level for this young man to evolve into a great coach was the standards were high. Fair at first, but I very quickly learned that he was going to be the coach. I'm you'd him to be. I was going to have to impart some of this coaching wisdom that I've had in my life, this young man. Sure enough. I think I try to get them. They're a little too fast, and it was a little overwhelming for him. And quite frankly, I remember coming in one day and I was looking for him to be in their early coaches getting at six watch film and be ready to go and get the guy's going. And I said, coach at this is, oh, he's, he's, he's not here right now wars yet, and they went to social media and they pulled it up and he was checking in on the ride, and Harry Potter universal. To my godson. He's got a job. He's a coach. What does he do that? Universal? And my friend looked at me and he said not seen big Bill boy, Lancashire Harry's pointing to the ride. You can't blame him and I said, well, okay, I gotta talk to him about this, but he made. He may great strides of the year. It's just, you know, it's getting the understanding of of the seriousness of this, right? I mean, there's the average player in this in this league makes two hundred and thirty three thousand dollars a year with multiple your contracts. So you making a living and you. This responsibilities have come with that. Coaches don't fall too far behind that. And these are young men and women who make up this industry who are learning about, you know, the traditional sport model, but e sports model is a model in its own and if you don't make it to the top, I mean, they said it's one hundred million players, right? There's about a thousand pros globally, and so that's a small percentage. But if you don't make. Just like NBA or Melby an NFL. You can be a coach GM agent journalist, you know, you can cover it all and be part of the world unless you taught her, let's he went four corners on your. Crates rate, stalled delay. Edging skill, Rick Fox here owner of echo FOX in the league of legends, joining us here on the rich Eisen show. Okay, so LeBron coming, here's a no brainer, right? I mean, like he's built for this town at this very moment for this Lakers franchise post, Colby needing to get fannies back in the Magic Johnson shopping for the groceries with rob Pelinka. Right? Per se. It's on paper, right? It's all there, but now it's not on paper. It's actually in that building up the street. He is actually here. I've seen it on social media. There's proof. I'm happy. The town's been waiting for any town would have been waiting for him to show up, but we've, I think we're there with the town. That's right for him. Not only for him to bring his talents and drag a young team and young and maybe players that are still trying to find a consistent home to a level that I think can can be warranted of what Laker fans are used to seeing. And it's gonna take his leadership is gonna take his commitment, but we know that already about him. And I think what's best for him now is that after the game is done for him, he's in the right city based on things he wants to do things he's doing. He's doing it already. I mean, you know, it just seems like every two days as a project being ring. L. entertainment with him and maverick Carter and what they're doing so. So there's that. I mean, how do you think all the young on this roster again, affair with him. I mean, because at once eventually games are gonna have to be played here. Yes, and we're going to have to see this all play outrage on Rondo and having a lawns. Oh, ball competition. It's good. It's healthy, especially when you're young and pushes you. I think sometimes you can get a get a crop of young, really talented players that can found themselves in organization of franchise. Yes. The pressure alone here in l. a.'s great. But they can find themselves maybe with an an an expectation of minutes expectation because they look around and they see the future. But you know, I think some of them have grown, but LeBron is going to provide them an opportune just like Kobe did on his way out. I think to give them a snapshot of the work ethic, he will raise their level of play, but he will demand them that they suit up and show up in work at it at a level, or I'd I'd like to thank you know to certain. And you get -tunities, but then opportunity pass you by if you don't make the most of it. So what do you think Lonzo ball is the real deal? Do you think? Well, I seen a year and I, I like all that is that is there in the talent department. Oh, I know I going on octave going up. It's hard to it's hard to heap. Praise. I come from the airway. You don't really heap praise on rookies. You don't really project out. This is different generation is a lot of expectation and projection of the greatness before it actually arrives. And maybe sometimes it helps with confidence, but in in the area of our young players, I'd like to see them earn that. And I like to see them improve. And that's what the summers for. So no, he had he had some surgery and I know do I doubt that he he's putting in the work? No, because I think when you see LeBron James as a teammate and you see some of the other veterans that are coming in, you understand that you're going to have to earn your minutes regardless of last season while I, here's the issue too. Rick Fox here, the rich Eisen show. There's there's that team up north that just seems to unbeatable. Absolutely unbeatable. How would you deal with that? If you were in the NBA right now, there's another team that maybe you're not on that. Everybody thinks is on beatable and has proven to. As such. How do you do something? Well, you tap into the the fact that every season is a new season which brings a lot of moving pieces they do they do right now. Again, defending champions. Look, strongest can be on the ad because but they are now going to be heading into, I think fifty year if they make it to June and into the finals. I know what how taxing that is. I know how difficult that is now, the roster's deep. So it does give Steve Kerr, the flexibility of, you know, really parsing out those minutes responsibly throughout the season, the skilling talent levels. They're off the chart. So yes, they pose a difficult road to get by them, but it's not insurmountable. It really isn't. You know, some team, we saw it. Houston was doing. Some team will rise to level where they represent a challenge are the Lakers team not right now. Not today, but eighty two games a long way. And I wouldn't bet against LeBron James putting them in a position. And the reason I say that is, I mean, when I saw what he did last year as a leader to that cavalier team that literally blew up their roster in the middle of the season, I thought it was no way they would make it to the finals. And I know Eastern Conference, and you debate the conferences that we couldn't than the Western Conference, but he still was able to. Like a chess master, figure out the pieces he had to work with and get those guys working for each other. And and unfortunately, you know, he didn't have enough there with them and they fell short. But even in falling short, I still saw signs of him continuing to figure out he was his great needs. Great as he's ever been. Yeah. Yeah. And then that that may that is amazing. I mean, I've seen the greats I've played. I'm not. I was Larry bird's rookie Kevin, Mikhail's rookie in the old amp by how? How did that go was amazing. I mean, I, I mean, it was Larry Larry's last year. I mean, had his back and I watched him fight through his back challenges to get to the court every night. The preparation was there, and so I watched on. I gotta look at what it meant to be a pro in the game, and you know, and I spent some time with Mike from college days at Carolina. And so I saw the greats work Koby shack. I saw the greats mature and grow into their excellent. So it's, they're, they're going to get to see it in LeBron. LeBron is one of those guys, you know they can. He can drag. He can drag a group of men who are willing to actually follow. He can drag them to to to really, you know, championship level. I am mandated as this question to wrap up our association chat. Rick is the sports talk, radio, hot-button, subject of Michael, were LeBron who, right? I mean, I, I don't know how you deny either. First of all, it would have been a blessing to see them in the same era, but would also blessing that they we've had what forty years, amazing bass, basketball in between recall being between, you know, and and and shaq'll played to great players. It's hard for me not to not to ignore what I've witnessed LeBron do the last few years when it talks. When you talk about the consistency of of world championship appearances, he's won three. I think it is and maybe you know that the the loss column might stack up in the debate against him at some point. But I think he's going to probably play. Another five, six years. I hope in a Laker uniform, and I think he will start to knock down some of the all time. Great records individually in the game that with coupled with having won championships in MVP's. I don't. I don't know how you deny him as the greatest ever at that point. And I think he's making a great case off the court to to be that embassador going forward throughout the rest of his life and with the team echo FOX. Yeah. As the owner, we've already talked about the interesting personalities as the gamers. If not the coaches, is there a lavar ball in. I was darn, they're closing owner from it. I had to slow down. Yes. I mean, it's the same parents and and and and support staff of girlfriends and wives are much wives quite yet, but girlfriends exist in our game, they are supportive and is passionate about their their players. They give their two cents. Oh, oh, yeah. They, you know. Social media's huge societies. It is. But if you go to LL sports dot com and you wanna find out more about east sports, you'll find that that the world championships start on October first and it is all sensory, South Korea. And so we're excited about that and and it'll be it'll be c- rather talk about that then Lamar ball. Well. We. Has an show. The gamers gamers parents take their children with to get. They go to go to Korea, go to Korea and they travel. The sports is global is really Joe. There's there's this league south has over one hundred professional teams globally. And so you know, sixteen of we'll get to compete for the championship over the next twenty one days starting October first and and they'll be eighty. Eighty million people watching that championship. I'm believe lashed me last year in China, they fill the Olympic stadium. One hundred thousand people watching real. So when you think about that, right, and it is it is not to to compete with traditional sports. I think just has a seated entertainment in sports in general and competitions just a part of the ecosystem. Yeah. Who is the best game or one you're playing? I'm what was it? NBA we played a lot of Madden. Okay. Release ourselves. Yeah. Who was the best at it? Eric and Brian Shaw myself and we all we all kind of played. I don't know if we ever made it through to to who was the best, but guys play a lot more today. I mean, I've I, the Yankees are partners of our organization. I went out to training camp and Aaron judge in in bird, and these guys play play games constantly. They grew up on it so they didn't come out from our air. Right? Which is put down the control and get out of the house. Right. You know, you didn't know as a parent where that with game play lead, right? Barich. If I told you today, legal legends has over eight hundred kids on scholarship at universities, getting an education and some of those players are now playing professionally in our league. Two of them go into the world championships this month, then you realize there's a pass to pro and then you think you suffocate with my son wanted to be a pro. He's not a pro, you know what? He's doing his game designing. So he's a part of the industry in a way that still allows them to be passionate about what he loves. Congrats being owner, the gear that you're earning pretty sweet to cable. I got. Some. Okay. The logo, it's particularly, yeah, it's like it's FOX flames and all that sort of stuff. It looks like it looks weak man. Thanks on that and congrats on your success and in your newest act with the with the league of legends with echo FOX and come back, come back. It's amazing. I appreciate that on the Gulf putting in at least let's go anytime work on your game here. Anytime you by the way it was. I think all the other day on Twitter, it was the forty first anniversary of the Atari joystick coming out love because that's what I'm talking. So that's that's what Tyler. All that. Is that your first era? Yeah, that's Hong Kong by my brother and I, we had to tell a star palm where we would play each other. It was nasty. It was really competitive. You were that right now. So you're saying now can get a scholarship on pong punks. There's one for Paul. Tastic Rick Fox here when we come back Chris Brockman with a news update on what's going on with Pittsburgh as well as Edwards of the Pittsburgh post gazette joining us on all of that front with Scott Dixon from the IndyCar series in our friends at Honda. That's all still to come here on this edition of the rich Eisen show. Everybody's got it to do list, drop off the dry cleaning, pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything all you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance, extra money in your pocket. 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If you've been suspended so many times or your hamstring doing video for some time. Of endorsement when you've practiced all week, isn't that letting down your teammates? He's not wrong, but guess what? If that's the guy who shows up in the building, then the patriots forfeited fifth, they they blew a second round draft choice on a guy that even bring two week one in Coney last year. Yeah, correct. Okay. They blew the first round draft choice guy that kept for one year. So what's the big deal if you're on a fifth round draft choice dice and if it if he says it's a problem in the locker room and it's something that out of this on green earth that Bill Belichick has a problem handling. They'll cut them. Audio's, honestly, don't. I don't see, but I didn't play for the patriots. We had Willie mcginest here. He didn't say that an hour to, but one play Trump if he's not showing today doesn't have to do. We're not talking about having in week three are we? He better be there by tomorrow. If he's what I'm playing. I can't imagine the patriots. He's going to suit them up and throw them out on the field in week three. Certainly since Willey said now, number two. That that this is a long play getting ready for the middle of the season playoffs when they take on defense, like the one that just came off of losing the ends. It makes sense to me. One player who does still play for the patriots quarterback. Tom Brady, of course, on his weekly Monday night football segment on Westwood One with Jim gray was asked about the Josh Gordon trade eight to make projections expectations. That's not fair, never met, Josh personally, just like I have met some of the guys that have come in the last couple of weeks. So we'll see how goes this week. Hopefully he can work hard with the team. I and end up helping us in any role that he can find himself on the team. I always think trust is whatever receivers out there. You know, you tell them to run a certain around, they run it the way that you talked about it. You know if it's a flip of the coin, fifty fifty. I mean, nobody can really depend on that. Coaches. Don't wanna see that the players don't wanna see that. You want to know that the guys are lining up next to they got their responsibility taken care of and that frees you up to think about what your responsibilities are. But if no, you're worried about this guy that this or that, you know, it just takes away from what you're focused needs to be as an individual. So everybody wants good teammates that can folks on as an individual, what they have. To do in order to help the team. He's fired up. You could hear it. Normally, you could hear sometimes the way he goes back and forth with Jim gray, kind of sounds like question answer. Question answer. He's into it and he's gonna find out. He's got to be excited. I mean to have somebody that that he knows that he could. Defense, fifty fifty all that sort of stuff open, get it again, this is all mood. If Gordon's not ready to play football. But we shall see eventually. They're not gonna throw him out on the Sunday night lights. If he's just showing up in the building on Tuesday afternoon, I really don't think so. I think they could handle the lines without him personally. I think that I would hope so I hope so. Okay. So the big story this morning at bouchette Pittsburgh post gazette camman a couple minutes saying that Tokyo Brown was not Steelers facility yesterday for treatment or film session. Mike Tomlin addressed that this morning. It's been a couple instances. Now we're, you've asked me about Antonio regarding social media like things. I'll address that and address that very directly with them. But I'll leave that between here and I, I'm not gonna utilize this form for employees dressers things. I just don't believe it's appropriate. I think that this form is very professional. One. We got a lot of football things to talk about. No, I'm looking forward to visiting with him today and discussing that and some other things I'm not gonna get into the details of why he was here. What whether he was excused and all of those things. I just assume leave those things in house. I understand. Sometimes you got some negativity, you know, we lost football game. There was some negative exchanges on the sideline to utilize negative experiences and things that occur to educate our team. This point in the journey so becomes a non factors we move forward. That's generally the pro we take in non football related things such as social media, decorum, etc. So hopefully they'll be. The last time I'll be discussing things such as that. He I'm telling you, he's, he's a, he's a perfect guy for this job man, and there's a lot going on. There's a lot in house. I mean, there's a lot in house. Yeah, it's a, if you will full house and house all in house by the way, new Netflix fully now, Giro's and houses. Antonio Brown's agent released a statement that Adam Schefter posted on. Instagram said the tweet yesterday was not in reference to anything other than Tonio responding to a person. He knows it was not directed towards a trade or wanting to be traded. Any idea he was asking for trade is not accurate, and Tony had a personal matter. I talked to the team about it, his issues unrelated to the tweet or his relationship to the team occurring. We can end this right here right now. He said. There you have it or or it's a massive looming situation, Monday night football. It's not like ESPN's not going to ride this thing all day next month. Well, as I can imagine that it's going to be talked about is all day Monday. That's true. There's not one, but two fits magic star to correct. Yes. So Minka Fitzpatrick the dolphins first round draft pick apparently has been going by the nickname fits magic since his high school days, and he actually registered an application for a trademark for fits magic filed with the US patent and trademark office last week make if it's Patrick, did not Ryan Fitzpatrick. The intention is to use fits magic. So merchandise and apparel again for Minka Fitzpatrick, not Ryan Fitzpatrick. Minka Fitzpatrick's role in the filing of the trademark wasn't significant. It's primarily handled by his marketing force. So let me so. I mean, meagreness Patrick. In this right here right now, it's Patrick is his high school days. Let's say let's go freshman year of high school if it's two thousand eighteen. So we're like two thousand eleven joint thousand. Eleven. Okay. This this song, Mike del tufo that song, whatever you what are you doing over there? What are you doing over there? Okay. Tension finger this songwriter was like two thousand right around the same time when he was doing fits magic for the Buffalo Bills signing that huge deal. The bucks play the dolphins this year played, oh my gosh. They do not put a bummer. We could settle it on the field. Oh, thank you. Ed bouchette is on the phone line right now from the Pittsburgh post gazette. How are you add? Great rich thing. Okay. So we heard Mike Tomlin say he's gonna keep things in house, heck of a house that we're keeping things in right now. What what do you know about Antonio Brown's absence in how it might mean for anything? Other than just what he took it for. Well, I think he was very upset on Sunday. I was obvious on the field on the sidelines folded on locker room with his agent then to- drew Rosenhaus and then had that tweet trade me trade me tweet, and then he stayed away. And my said, the wouldn't say whether it was excused or not, which tells everybody wasn't excuse. So. Where we sit until they talk it out and work it out. I can't imagine him sitting them down for a game or anything, though rich that would just make the rest of the team suffer. Yeah. I mean, who is Ryan scar Pino who he was responding to work for the team for all those years? Does he voice anything that might be a legitimate. Belief held within the front offices of the Pittsburgh Steelers that Antonio Brown owes the team and and Ben rumpus. Now, I, I don't think I run as prolific on Twitter now that he's not an employee anymore. He was in the PR office. Good guy, very helpful to us. Then he was there for round five, six years maybe and just decided he was going to go and pursue some other work, and he did. He works. He works for the county here. Okay, Allegheny county. So I'm just saying, why would an Tonio brownfield need to pop back at him? That's what I'm saying is that is something that that he might be touching on that is being played out behind the scenes, Antonio Brown field slighted in any way, shape or form we, I don't think so. We've, we've wondered if Antonio even knows that Ryan doesn't work for the team anymore. Okay. You know, because these guys, you know, they pay attention to some things and not to others. You know, Ryan worked until last summer for the team and he's been gone. Not this past summer year ago is anyway, is there any way that what Antonio Brown may have given voice on the sideline, have anything to do with Levy on bell? Not being there and just being part and parcel of whatever anxiety has been stirred up by the withholding of Levy on services by said, running back my opinion, which I think it's pure selfish on his part that he's not getting statistics is used to. He's only averaging eight point nine catch now whose fault is that throwing the ball, a lot, thirty, three targets in two games. He hasn't, you know, hasn't caught any big ones yet he has. He does at one touchdown against Cleveland, but I, he's done this before as just he seems to be taking an extra step this time. You know, he threw a big fit in Baltimore last year when Ben didn't see him when he was open right somewhere else. Right. I do remember that couple more minutes here that bouchette Pittsburgh post gazette. And what is the latest with the. Steelers Levy on bell at, is there any latest? I mean, what? How? How is how can you tell us? This is playing out right now? Yeah, same old, same old rich. Nobody seems to know. You know what I mean? When his own team they start, he was coming in. They thought they were led to believe he was coming in for the first game, and they never showed you saw their reaction and always seen on my iphone on TMZ because they keep coming up with stuff. Then partying in clubs in south beach, and now he's on a jet ski and south beat so seems to be living in up. Wow ad. I mean, so is there any sense at all of the Steelers making a maneuver to get him in by sweetening, the tender, just that to figure out that to win a Super Bowl this year and to remove all of whatever distraction as decastro called last week, draining to try and remove that themselves, rich, I guarantee you one thing. I don't know what's going to go on with Bill. I guarantee you one thing. The Steelers are not gonna eat the offer. He comes in and plays or doesn't, and that's going to be that. So why they're gonna try them? Why? But why. Because they, that's the way they are. If they sweet the offer for lotteries it would. They don't like setting precedents and that would set a precedent for the next franchise player and it's just not gonna happen. I could tell you it won't happen. So does he come in week eleven based, you say, or does he what? Do you think your Ed that the next up? I again, rich. I don't know. I mean, he's gonna hold up. He's missing eight hundred fifty, six thousand. He's giving up every week until he does and you do the math, ten weeks. And then let's say after ten weeks he does report they can get a roster exemption for two weeks and not pay them for those two weeks. So that'd be another one point. Seven, he'd miss. How is this on the compared to anything you've seen in Pittsburgh at is getting there. You know, we've, I was just trying to put that a lot of stuff. There's a lot of things happen here. There's been Ben Rothlisberger starting to season with a four game suspension by the NFL that was kind of ugly. They started out on four back and thirteen that was that was kind of interesting because the year before they come out of the playoff picture by losing four, their last five. So they had lost eight of the last nine games and Mike Tomlin was on a hot seat. Thanks for the call. Pre she'd have a feeling we're going to be calling you back very soon. Okay, rich, you got to be with you. Got us Ed bouchette fresh off the press conference today with Mike Tomlin from the Pittsburgh post gazette Steelers aren't budget. Lebanon's partying. Antonio Brown is having his agent, calm down post game. And then posting Instagram posts saying there was a personal matter. Everything's being kept in house full in house, coming up with Bob saggy, Dave Kuei Antonio Brown on net flicks right on. KOMO it out stamos part of that to always, of course, Scott, Dixon of the variety is an IndyCar series, and our friend from Honda will be joining us next and we'll set up the rest of the week still to come and revisit. The poll question when we come back football season is here and no one covers football like cast one sports knit. We've got you covered on a daily basis with Dan, Patrick rich Eisen. This might be just a walk in the park RJ bells dream preview and Ross Tucker's fantasy feast podcast. They're just creating more work for me at this point. 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From the only one number nine car your program number one in your heart from Chip Ganassi racing in the Honda team, Scott Dixon here on the rich Eisen show doing Scott. Fantastic. Thanks of do. Do you remember do you remember Chris Brockman changing your tire, Scott. I mean, I know you're champion right now, and I know you've got a lot of accomplishments in your career, but do you remember when close change your tire? Scott? It was a little while ago. Right? It took like a really long time if only. Yeah, I wasn't that good at it and they were not. That said that. Good. Okay. And you just want the championship in sonoma's. Right? So congratulations to you, Scott, congratulating. It was. It was drifter into the season, but you know, fantastic for the team and, and number five. Sounds good. Sounds in the number four pretty happy with that one. Yeah. And he just needed a cruise to at how differently do you race when you just have to cruise Scott to victory? It wasn't really, you know. Stop and then you know order medically, you know your your mind kicks into. They're gonna go off strategy, Australians, gonna work. You know, they're gonna come back and and swit- strategies with stuff to go and be leading the field. So it at that point you, you know, you start questioning a lot of the decisions that you make a team in strategy and just, you know where it's going to finish up, but luckily enough, we, you know, we kept a pretty cool hits. You know, Rossi you know, fantastic to come back through the field and and you know, get within, you know. So that's shaving cows. But yeah, it worked out very smoothly and not what we kind of expected. Now you wanna have Daria Frankie in terms of most IndyCar series championship since ninety six. It's your your, your fifth in fifteen years, fifteen years ago you on your first, what would the twenty eight team, Scott Dixon until two thousand three champion. Scott Dixon. I don't know. I enjoyed that one pretty good. I think ROY the way the wife on that one pretty well. I don't know. I think you know all of us throughout careers. You know, we learn from many different things, but I think you know those Paramount's in, you know how they change your career and how you change. You know the process of what you do and you know, mistakes meant to happen and and you know, for me, it's definitely helps. So I, I remember those days clearly. It was nice to be a little little carefree back then I feel like the stresses a lot higher now and, and you know the, maybe the, you know, situation of of, you know, we should get it done a lot more often. So I don't know. I finally, there's a lot more pressure these days in the familiar enjoyed of and you're the subject of Universal Pictures doc called born racer coming out on October second DVD and digital download, so that are you a born racer Scott Dixon? So I was I was born, ROY said very much. So it's. Yeah, excited for that. You know, universal offense who pretty much all of last season and you know, we kept it off. Well, I think with hopefully we can add put him in addition with the with the end of this year, but you know, they, they capture of, you know that horrific accident. We have lost that the five hundred, but a lot of behind the scenes access that you need to get to see. You know, for a lot of general people, you know, they almost think that you the cough Truckee to in the case started and away you go. Whereas you know this eighty to one hundred people just behind to cows that that you know make this process happen and the emotions that everybody goes through. So I'm excited for, I think it's a fantastic racing and motor racing world wine in when you went into no Ma. I mean, what a great spot celebrate. Right. Dude. Are you read one white one? Are you? Are you either one of those Scott? Yes, I go. I got for so you know? But no, it's it's, it's fantastic especially for the sponsors and family and partners. You know, it's definitely a great spot. To put on the last of IMP. Unfortunately, it was lost one their number most to to Monterey, you know, for next season you're gonna say koso-. Interesting. But no, you know, it's, it's always been a good, a good quite, you know, didn't get to partake in civic. So. Sit off to New York while you like drinking milk more than anything else. I'm sure Scott, that's the, that's the best thing. Congratulations on winning your fifth and you know, and being part of team. Honda. Thank Scott. Thank you so much. I really appreciate being on thinking, always thanks for coming on Scott. Dixon nine is the Twitter account right there. Do you think him having again, he's only two behind AJ. Foyt. Okay. Do you think him winning his fifth that he appreciated me starting with you? Changing tire for him first, as opposed to his personal accomplish? How couldn't to be honest, is a memorable day for him, his family myself. Are you? Are you just totally screwing it up right there? I did not know what I was doing mazing to mazing, but you got through that day without losing a finger. Great. Show one appreciate it. Thanks for Scott Dixon, Rick Fox, Willie mcginest at bouchette, and also von Miller for calling into the show. Is it still the Pittsburg Steelers winning poll question the winless team that you should be the most concerned about remaining in the national football now up to thirty four percent. One is going on there by the way I have. I don't follow TMZ Ed bouchette does. I mean level is just partying. I mean he had an album release party last night and then was also seen two around on jets. I officially no longer saying into this microphone or anywhere else that Steeler should up his offer. I mean, that's just that is not the way to be dealing with the Pittsburgh Steelers. You gotta know you gotta know your audience and I understand that the Steelers have their one way of doing business, and I think they need to be more flexible, but this is I don't know what the answer is here, but that's definitely not. Let him live his best life. Can't wait till the patriots trade for Antonio Brown belt to get them all. They got the muscle right Brian banks in a mall. Now, while we've got great story of Brian banks and Aldous Hodge who formerly Friday night lights who plays him in a movie, they'll be here together and then the writer, Jeff Pearlman, and you on Wednesday show. On this season, cold case files, whoa, close the book on the Golden State killer a serial killer. So prolific investigators, but years thinking he was three different people. Think this offender is most brazen in American history. We'll find cryptic clues business cards diaries into stones whose buffet that left his calling card. 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Redskins: Trade #2 Or Not?

The Kevin Sheehan Show

59:25 min | 1 year ago

Redskins: Trade #2 Or Not?

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show now. Here's Kevin Errands here here. I am here It's going to be a show today with just a lot of different things because there's not really an obvious topic of sorts today although so in other What I would call When we used to do this in plan for the show because we don't plan for as much as we used to to be honest because because now with the radio the radio sort of sets the table? Because I've I've got a much better idea of what's going on any given day but we used to sort of plan the day before nine. Sketch some things out Today's one of those days where I would say you have a lot of wbe topics. Yeah not in a topic in the Super Bowl should be in a topic topic this week but man the Kobe death has really sort of you know that In the background a little bit I think here is the final days as we get it closer to To Super Bowl Sunday we will ramp up the Super Bowl Talk. I will mention this so for those of you that have also listened to the radio show so for years. You know that I've always done Tommy and I did it and then cooling I did it We did superbowl week. A Super Bowl Trivia contest where we would put together A list of questions that were hard extremely hard. And then diabolically heart and if somebody could run the table with three correct act two answers in a row we would give away a prize. Aaron for many years Tommy and I would offer up five one hundred dollars in cash into the winner and that is that something the station would back. It was backed by us. You know we. We were the We were the insurance insurance payout premium payout guys if somebody hit on the On on hitting three questions in a row in I don't know for like the first five or six years Hurson. Nobody one people got very close in part of the fun of doing it is Tommy would be like you know having a heart attack in the process because he didn't want to come up with two hundred and fifty bucks in that made it more fun and then finally somebody wanted. Well I started super bowl trivia up again on radio Have to they do it on radio because you've got to accept calls we didn't do any super bowl trivia last year in the podcast right. I know so Yesterday nobody won anything and today the very last caller at nine fifty four am and it had to be a quick segment bees. We're up against his A- as Aaron knows what we call them the TRAE hard out. Because you get the next show coming up at ten in so I gotta be out by ten fifty six you know. That's essentially. Yeah ten fifty five fifty. I gotta be out so that we can clear all the spots and have the next show start on time so we got this last caller. His name was Fred he called in and a basically a two and a half minutes to get through this thing. I didn't think he would win it. I thought I had a very difficult third question in a very difficult second that question but basically it started with a super bowl Entry level question or what I call hard. And then second level extremely harden the third level is SORTA wickedly hard on. The first question was named the redskins three Super Bowl. MVP's you know. I really. That's that's an easy one especially if you're a redskin fan and he got that one right John Riggins Doug Williams and Mark Rippin then. We went on to the second question which I had already asked of previous callers but I I was sort of hoping that maybe he could get to the third level for a chance for one of these callers today to get to the last level question because the first several callers I did not and the question was given to you. Aaron let's see if you can get you ready who was the last quarterback to play F. C. S. level football and start in the super bowl prior to this week Jimmy Garoppolo starting as a graduate as a player at Eastern Illinois University the the last player to play at the F. C. S. level though any player or last quarterback. I'm sorry last quarterback to to play the level and start in a super bowl didn't have to be the winning. Super Bowl quarterback had to start at quarterback with was flacco. FC Out there you go. Yeah so that was the second question now this guy. I had the advantage of of being prepared for it because he had heard me ask it earlier. So and by the way I'd given out a hint hint was he's been one of my favorite players quarterbacks that's a good hindrance over the last ten years And then we got to the last question which you know. I try on the very last question to create questions that are going to be hard for them to look up in an answer within twenty seconds source you know In this one and less he was listening to the podcast yesterday. And listening to us. Talk about Tommy's column which he was not I thought was going to be a pretty hard one to get in. Twenty seconds in the question was named the six hall of famers that played on the chiefs last super bowl defense. Yeah I mean all US remember from yesterday exactly exactly and I can tell you. I can't even right and it's hard and that's one of those things I mean you might be able to Google six hall of famers seventy chief. Maybe it's going to pop up. I think I tried that and it didn't but this guy started to rip him off. Said Willie Linear Buck Buchanan. Bobby Bell and I'm like Oh my God. He might get this and then he's like emmitt Thomas Johnny Robinson. Curley culp. You got that he won and the prize is to Maryland tickets parking and a chance to come and listen to the radio. Show live so it'll continue. I love like that sort of play along but I am not happy with myself forgetting beat on day too so I have a couple of other very difficult level three questions And I'm going to review them With various these people here to make sure that they are super hard to get because that one probably not the hardest of my level three questions. I've got one here that there's no oh chance and a lot of them deal with you know Jersey numbers and math. You know it's like come up with this. The number of players that started at this position add up their Jersey numbers. Divide by three. Something like that anyway That was what started my day off for ended the beginning of of my day day on the radio. Show if you don't remember this or you don't know this. I am back on radio at nine eighty seven to ten. Am Weekday Mornings. Listen listen to this podcast really. Because I've got Tommy on twice a week and Cooley comes on a bunch. 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Were fine needing the decision Needing a decision on the under in this particular game so I will more likely than not have the under his part of the smell test on Friday. Okay several things to get you mentioned I would call it several B. Two B. Plus topics and maybe even see topic in on the show today. I want to start with us. Peter King was a guest with J. P. Finley and Brian Mitchell on NBC. Sports Washington yesterday Peter King was asked by J. P.. You'll hear the question about what the Redskins should do it number two. Listen to Peter King's answer. The number two pick stint. I'll tell you right now. Tom I had somebody who was at the senior bowl. Told me flat out. That Washington redskins could remake their franchise this year by dealing the second pick in the draft. Now maybe maybe. And Look. If you believe the chase young Lawrence Taylor Taylor. You're not trading that pick your swallowing hard but and intake in the pig but just imagine if it is if if it is basically kind of the RG three trade in reverse. Can you imagine if you go down to number five or number seven and get three want point. Yeah I mean well I mean. Let's say you go. Let's say you go down to five but but but then you get to additional ones. I mean that that might be hard to review. Yeah so there are a couple of things from that first of all. Did you catch him calling the team. That plays football football in Washington. The Washington Redskins Peter. King just mentioned you can play it back. Play back the beginning of that. We can hear if you missed it. Peter King referring to the redskins something he said he would never do as the redskins slipped up. I think here we go the number two pick. I'll tell you right right now. I had somebody who's at the senior bowl. told me. Flat out that Washington Ritz. Yes you make new franchise China Peter King. I mean I when I heard this live not live when I heard it greg. My producer and radio played at this morning and I did not pick get up when I heard it Him Plight put a show. I was like Whoa wait a minute. Did Peter King changes position on the name because Peter King you know a hall of fame voter order and you know one of the reasons that you know for many years at art monk was not in the hall of fame was Peter King's influence over the hall of Fame Committee he did not believe Art Monk was a hall of Famer until until he was sort of convinced by various people including Joe Gibbs that he was Peter King you know seven years ago in twenty thirteen thirteen made An announcement like it was he such an important guy that he came out with an announcement. in a column that he wrote that he I was not going to use Washington's team nickname anymore. He said you won't see me use it anymore imprint. You won't hear me speak it And he you know went into the reasons why saying he's been an easy about it and thinks that the nickname is a slur and went on and on and on and on so you you know he was on. He was on a show on the station. I think with Sabe or dock and coach Brian. Mitchell wasn't with with me A few years later after that Washington Post poll came out that indicated nine out of ten native Americans did not find it to be Insensitive and he still wouldn't change his position addition On the name he's fine with you. Know the Atlanta braves fans mocking native Americans openly with Atomic Tomahawk Chop chant. Chance same thing with chief's Fan so I always get I just. I really do get a kick out of it like we're watching the. NFL Playoffs in an arrowhead. A great home field advantage great great fan base loyal fan base and they're doing the Tomahawk Chop which really is openly mocking. Native Americans in unison. Listen you know. Eighty thousand in unison. And somehow no one talks about that. Peter King Bob Costas. Nobody seems to have a problem with that but they focus in on the Redskins team nickname which native Americans don't find You know overwhelmingly Pejorative or insensitive were or a slur our anyway I thought that was interesting. I have not seen or read anything that he has changed his position on the name. I I'm guessing that it was a slip. So let's get to the football part part of what he said First of all on the three number ones remember. You're not necessarily really getting three number ones. What you're getting is a swap of first rounders in this year's draft if you were to trade back five or six spots with say the dolphins or the chargers for three or four spot chargers would be the one by we'll get to that so you would be swapping picks and then you would be giving up an in additional to when people said the REDSKINS got? Rg Three for three number ones in to number two in a you know in a in a V I think that was the deal ultimately. it really wasn't three number ones. It was two number ones. I mean you are swapping ones and then you got to additional number ones anyway. Whatever I don't know that you're going to get that much for that pick. You could potentially But I think really the issue here. Is You know when it comes to a case being made to trade eight number two or case being made to keep number two and take chase young comes down to your evaluation of chase young. It's that simple or potentially your evaluation of to a Tunga Viola or Justin Herbert. If you are not a believer in Haskins and we can't take that off the table you know if you're a redskin fan you cannot just automatically agree with me and think that that's what the team's GonNa do that. Dwayne haskins progress significantly the downsides very low and the upside. Is You know fairly high and that. There's some optimism about him. You can't take. That is the way they feel about him. We don't know how they feel about him and even if they feel the same way it doesn't doesn't mean that they won't feel much differently and much more Optimistically about one of the young quarterbacks in the draft they can like Dwayne Haskins wins and possibly is one of the best you know is the best quarterback to come out since Andrew Lock Detroit. And what do you do then. Well you know what you do then if if you like Dwayne Haskins and you think to is a You know the highest evaluated quarterback. You've had since luck you take too. Because it's the quarterback position so all of that is still in play but when it comes to sort of chase young or the the prospect of trading down. The bottom line is if you've got a player number two WHO's a quarterback or a pass rusher and you have them evaluated at a super high level you take take that player like if you if you believe chase young is going to be von Miller Khalil. Mack Nick Bosa you know going back to the great great pass rushers of the day like you think for the next ten years teams are going to have to every single week start their offensive game plan with how. How do we deal with chase young? You take him do you know what the rams got out of that. Big Deal with the Redskins nutting Michael Brokers Janoris Kris Jenkins Isaiah peed roquetas Watkins. Alec Ogle Tree Stedman Bailey. Stop me when you hear about an all time great player so if you think chase young is going to be Nick Bosa von Miller Khalil. Mack you take him because as you need a plus players you know people will make the case you have so many needs many needs you know players depth positions nations to fill all of. That's true but if you're filling those needs with be players and you're giving up on an a plus player you're not giving yourself a the best chance to go deep into January. You need more a players more a plus players. Who are they on the team right now? The Punter Trestle US away. You know I think we're hopeful that Jon Allen Doron pain and Terry McLaren you know Trent Williams comes back. He was there pretty much. They're only a player along with the punter in recent years. You need more players. You don't need you know three BS to give up on an a plus. Let's say you got five additional picks in this thing and you got three solid B plus players and the other two didn't work out because more more likely than not some of those players aren't GonNa work out alright but you gave up on a game changing a plus player for the next ten years at one of the games to most important positions. You lose you lose on that deal in my view so it just comes down to this. Do you have have them evaluated as an elite player at a very important position quarterback. Were Pass. Rusher if you do you take him. You take that player in you. You listen to every deal that comes your way. You don't do what Bruce did okay. You don't not answer calls not listen. That's foolish somebody. They get really desperate and you may give you four or five number ones and then you start thinking about it. He because the a plus player that you've got evaluated it's not a lock he's going to be a plus US player. He could tear his knee in training camp. Next year you know volume of picks his always a better strategy than one pick but not at a key position if you you have evaluated at an elite level I mean nothing would be worse right then five years from now looking back at number two and is an organization you debated Shea Shung who you thought had a really good chance to be a really good player. But you weren't convinced was in a plus player and you got five. Picks for him in the five picks were all be players in a couple of C. players. You know when one that didn't work out at all never made it didn't was out of the league in two years and chase young is in New York playing for for the giants wreaking havoc like Lt did for all of those years. It'll suck you need a players chase young more likely than not is going to be evaluated at a plus the five players you'll get in a trade you know the additional picks you better be sure there's another a plus in the in that group at it at this same position or impactful position you know people are GonNa Say Jeff Okuda the corner from Ohio state you know. A. Plus player okay but a plus plus a coroner's not the same as eight plus a pass rusher because given me some bees and two plus pass rushers and chase young in Montana sweating. I'll take like my chances with some bees in the secondary some bs and CS in the secondary One other thing that Peter King said yesterday about Bruce Allin I want. I want you to hear this. I'm not saying I was surprised that Daniel Cider God rid of one of his best friends in the World Bruce Allen but it was long overdue. I like Bruce Allin It was ridiculous that he continued to hold that job. Just ridiculous and I think any person in football a fall understands that if you go through three or four very lean years You know not only your are you endanger injure of losing your job. You probably should lose your job but Washington. It was ten years and you you just say why in the world is there an adult in the room and there wasn't and finally In this situation they finally did the right thing. I got rid of him in. Look you know we'll see I. I'm I mean I'm a I like Ron Rivera. Id's good coach. I think he commands a room. Well and he is basically I think doing what he went with the people he knew he went with Scott Turner to run his office. He went with Jack del Rio to run his defense. These guys he knows. Police police familiar with relationships with right. So that was Peter King on that I I I played it because you just can never ever ever you know Forget That this last ten years should have been much less than that. There isn't an owner in football and owner and sports a business owner that would have put up with that level of incompetence in that level of losing in that level of simultaneous. NEA's arrogance in one person with that much power for that long. It is remarkable that somebody with his record sixty to ninety seven in one or whatever it was with the missteps along with the way with the public embarrassments that he would stay in that position for that long. And I mentioned this a few weeks ago. on the positive side. I said look. Let's not forget down the road whether works out for Rivera or not. The Dan Snyder actually outkick the coverage with the higher. Like you can all you down the road when we review it. Let's not forget that based on the conditions at at the time he overachieved on the higher in jet Joe Gibbs helped out a lot. Let's also not forget if the Redskins have a quick turnaround the next year or the year after. Let's also not forget or let's not do the following. Give Bruce Allin any credit for it. He doesn't deserve it because because the players that are here there some good young players that are here but they would have never won with the level of dysfunction that would have continued had Bruce Allen State on his team president. He didn't do everything wrong. You know there were different things over the course of ten years he did right. I love the fact that we we finally had some fiscal. You know Some fiscal discipline in the organization after ten years of being undisciplined discipline fiscally. I liked what he brought with that. Now got to the point where was too much. It was too much about getting a good deal rather than getting a good player you know that was was one of his big errors in terms of personnel. He was so self impressed with the contracts that he got very players forgetting the fact that he was getting usually usually in most cases a less than average player. That wasn't going to help them win. But if the redskins turn it around and go nine seven this year and threaten a six seed in the the playoffs. And you're like Whoa and you for a moment. Say Hannah. What Bruce Allen got some pretty damn good players in here you know gotTa Give Him some credit no oh no because they would have never succeeded had he stayed here in that position never he should have been gone several years ago? The organization might be in a different spot today. If Dan Snyder had felt the desperation that wasn't far different than it. Was this past year a couple couple of years ago Then maybe they would be Already well you know right very much on their way to do you know being competitive in this league in and maybe even would have been coming off a competitive season last year. If Snyder had done it earlier Anyway that's enough enough On the redskins today so last night. I'm watching inside the NBA. The Best Studio Show in all of sports television is the TNT. You know a pre game show halftime postgame. Show Ernie Johnson. Kenny Smith. Shaquille O'Neal Charles Barkley. It looks like D. Wade Dwayne. Wade's can get added that group this year so last night. was supposed to be clippers and Lakers and they postponed that game and just as an aside. If I didn't say this with Tommy yesterday I don't have. I don't have much of a problem with any of the stuff that's going on. You know like playing on Sunday or not playing on Sunday a wearing number twenty four number eights or not wearing number twenty fours or number rates. You know I none of that stuff you know bothers me. People people are grieving in their emotionally Off and their reactions to it can no matter what they are. You know to me I it's it's really hard to be critical of them. I'm not a big fan of of at this point getting aggressive on changing the logo. I think that's a wait and see kind of thing I emma fan of of what's been brought up of the NBA All Star game having the East wearing number eight in the western life whereas or vice versa. I love that idea. Yeah that's A. It's it's that sport. It's a way to honor him It's the All Star game. It's you know within a few weeks of his passing so everybody's still grieving and it. It's it would be a nice thing. the logo thing. If you haven't seen it there's been a social media push to change the logo in two Kobe's image from Jerry very wests image which has been the logo for years? I think that's a wait and see and it we sit back and let time pass and things like that but anyway last night was really really moving. First of all these are people you want to hear from you and hear from Shaquille O'Neal you know I don't know I'm a Barkley Fan. When here here from Barkley I wanNA see Ernie Johnson be sort of the moderator in the queue in a in the guy that's GonNa fire questions and and move the thing along and set people up? He's the best they. They had multiple people. Come in Jerry Westman play for you with Jerry. West said some of what Jerry West said in a moment And then Rick Fox and Derek Fisher joined in and that may have been the most incredible moment of the night. Get to that in a little bit. it was It was it was really moving but I think that the person that I think a lot of people watch that show for last night which was done at the staple center an empty staples center in. La is they wanted to hear shack. We had seen what he had tweeted. tweeted out on Sunday and we wanted to hear shack. This is you know the Shaquille O'Neal Kobe. Bryant relationship in Los Angeles is one of the all time interesting. Sting sports do us you know in sports history first of all. It's one of the greatest duos and you could argue. The Greatest Duo sports duo of all time. I mean that's a great topic for a show and I'm glad I just thought of it because I think I'll do that tomorrow in the show But their relationship which it was not close and antagonistic and confrontational and led to Shaquille O'Neal being dealt in lead to then wow. We'll Kobe win without shack and it didn't happen for awhile and shack went onto win elsewhere. You know in Miami Dwayne Wade in two thousand six and and so you know I mentioned yesterday with Tommy. It was very crucial. I think for Dwayne way up for a Kobe. Bryant's legacy that. He win the titles that he won two of of them without shack we would have thought much differently about him much differently about his playing career if he hadn't gotten those additional titles you know and they were close so That relationships always been fascinating. I on Sunday. I think I mentioned this on Monday. It was much he was the guy wanted to hear from Shaquille. O'Neal it didn't care about hearing from Michael or Lebron or anybody else. I mean I was taking all of it in consuming all of it but I really wanted to hear from Shaquille O'Neal and so last night Shaquille sort of opened up the discussion And here's what he said. The pain that sharp in a while forty forty seven years old to rose two grandmothers Gloucestershire charge lost my sister and now aw who also little brother we Americans will be attached together for what we did you know just makes me think that and and life sometimes to hold them back certain things we should just do we up here we work a lot of time. We take stuff for granted. I gotTa Talk to you guys as much as much as the fact that Uh We're not going to be able to Joe. Get his hall of fame ceremony. What I'm going to be able to say how I got five? Got Four the fact that we're not going to say if we would stay together. We kind of got ten. Those are the can't get back from father. My sister pain as all of that which I just say something to them again. Talking talking was when we were here it is GonNa get fifty. They got sixty spoke to him. And I just wish you know so definitely changes me. That was really really moving to watch Shaquille O'Neal all seven foot foot two in of him and just could not hold it together but did hold together enough in in his such such a unique Person to begin with you know in in sports over a long period of time. I mean Shaquille O'Neal is truly like stay a unique guy and I think one of the more more likable players. Say One of the most like you can't find anyone who h And you know how about the fact that he talked about the last time talk to Kobe was Kobe's final game. It's three years ago coming up on four years ago. This was not a relationship that was very close relationship that was repaired paired and became much. Better you know after many years of of dislike but even last night admitted that he had not talked up to Kobe. Since the final game he played remembered staple center against Utah when he asked for fifteen. He got sixty you know that was that was April of twenty 2016. So it's three and you know it's coming up on four years The night continued last night on. TNT on this show Jerry West it came on a man sat with all of these guys And he couldn't keep it together. Jerry West engineered the trade that brought Koby Bryant to Los Angeles He talked a lot about you know workouts. The Kobe had in front of him before that draft. He brought Michael Cooper the Great Michael Cooper one of the great defensive offensive players in the history of the game and an all time defender for the Lakers indigo one on one with Kobe. Kobe shredded him and attack. Point you know West was like Oh my God is this is the real deal. This was some Jerry West. From last night I had a special relationship with him. No one knows in a Mutt call. Doctor had with no one knows. Even people who are close to they don't know the conversations with they don't know the conversations I had with him in Memphis when I was working in Memphis. We still communicate it He also Jerry. West talked about the time that Kobe was so so upset with management. La He said he was going to go play for the clippers. and Jerry West said this tomb. I'm never really mention this to anyone he was. Don't come and sign with the clippers. Who are now involved with as a consultant told him Kobi under no circumstances? Can you do this. And he was mad at everyone at the Lakers. The owner everyone else awesome. Because we can't go play with the clipper you can't play for that owner period we had two conversations about and he's supposedly made a commitment to the clippers. There's an after the last one we talked last time. But who's so many things that we talked about. As he seeking information he his parents were with him for a while and honestly I felt like he's for two years. I don't know if I can get over this. It was some tough stuff watching Jerry West last night and how about that. You're not playing for this owner that owner being Donald Sterling at the time And and then to me. The moment of the night came when Rick Fox en- Derek Fisher joined. The guys joined Ernie any Johnson. Kenny Smith Shaquille. O'Neal Charles Barkley in D. Wade Twain Wade was sitting As part of the group as well if you recall on Saturday the reporting warning the eroneous reporting in the hours that followed included that for. I don't know an hour or so that Rick Fox of Kobe. Bryant's best friends. Rick Fox played on those Laker teams with Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant That Rick Fox was also on the helicopter and had perished in the crash and Rick Fox was asked by Ernie Johnson. And if you watch this you can see that Rick Fox. I don't want to say that he's reluctant to answer this but he did. Not There was not an attempt on his as part to make it about himself. You know But at the same time Ernie Johnson SORTA set it up in a way in which he said. Look we're here for Kobe. But this was a big part of what was going on and Sunday the erroneous reporting the the chase to be first to report some of this stuff and people got it wrong and when you get it wrong on somebody who's alive who you've now reported is dead impacts a lot of people you'll hear what he said about it. It's it join sort of the answer the midway through but it gets to the part. That's really remarkable in that. Is that his former college. Teammate King Rice. WHO's a coach at monmouth university king? Rice part of the Tar Heel family with Kenny Smith and Rick Fox. I'm Tanya the North Carolina basketball thing and the Duke Basketball family thing. It really is remarkable. We've all as longtime ACC fans seen it up. Close to see what those guys think of their experience with Dean Smith with Roy Williams and in with with chefs key. And how close that that. That alum group is So he starts to talk about how you know. He was with his his kids consuming. The whole Kobe. Bryant has died and been killed in a helicopter crash not knowing at that point that it's also being reported that he was on the helicopter King Rice. You'll hear him start with. This is trying to reach Rick Fox. Listen to how he describes is what happened after that on. How how do you tell the people that you need to know the most? This is not true moment to moment moment to moment. I don't wish shit on anyone. This this moment is has been overwhelming for all of us First and foremost to the families that were lost obviously obviously so get lives have been turned upside down to our brother Kobe and his family. Sem Natalia Bianca Capri. We send our prayers and condolences My family went through in the midst of all of this. Something I couldn't have imagined them experiencing I spent time talking to my kids for about forty five minutes as this was all happening in our colleague. Jared Greenberg brought to me the news that that morning and he said he asked My text if I had heard of the story and I I said Oh the shoes Kobe. Lebron and Kobe passed him last site and he said no he said this is how you need to sit down and he texted me the article and I just I went into full blown. Denial and fortunately one of my. My daughter's greatest fears is finding out that a parent who one of her parents would be lost through social media instead of from a loved one or a family member and and You know she fortunately called me and we you just were talking and crying about the news of Kobe and and my son and then we started you know so we were talking. I was talking to my kids is trying to spend the time with them and then the phone just started going off often. I'm thinking to myself. Everybody wants to talk about Kobe. And and right now I want to be with my kids and my family and then all of a sudden my best friend in King Rice was a basketball coach. Kane kidding kidding okay. He walked off the court. I ONA in. Somebody's apparently told told them that. I may have been on a helicopter and he. He started calling some kings number repeatedly going and going and going and think he's worried about me so I said talk to my best friend and I answered and I said Hey man is crazy about coby and he just was bawling and I started crying and he was like you're live and I'm thinking well yeah like what you mean. And he an was in that moment that I my phone just started going in my mom and my sister and my brother and so look this is this has been. This has been a lot to the process for all of us Quite frankly We're blessed to have had the time we had with Kobe. City is morning families morning. We're we're all morning and I'm I'm I don't you know I'm glad that's over with but it was hard to deal with because it took a lot of people in my life. That was Rick Fox and that part about king rice calling him Him expecting to pick up the phone to talk about Kobe. Bryant with him and King Rice starts bawling because it's like now he's heard Rick Fox's voice and he's alive was amazing and then Kenny Smith actually jumped in and said that when he heard about Kobe he was a passenger in a car and and and He was you know. Couldn't it was having a difficult time dealing with just the fact that Koby had passed away and then he got the news that Rick Fox smae have been you know a a former tar heel in Rick Fox says to Kenny. Smith said you were my brother. You raised me. You know in Kenny Smith said he used to spend time with me when you know when set when I was in Sacramento as a player and he was in North Carolina and and And Kenny Smith said that he reached out to King Rice to find doubt about Rick Fox in King. Rice didn't get back to him and so he decided to text. Rick Fox himself. Kenny Smith I sent rick a text message praying that he would respond but not expecting it because of the reports at Rick Fox was on the helicopter Texan and he said just shoot. Shoot back to me. You know a hey and he did and Kenny. Smith got the texts back from Fox and Kenny Smith and broke up. Couldn't couldn't continue to talk there briefly and he said he couldn't believe it you know he thought he was texting dead person and then Rick Fox got back to him with a text message. You know thinking thinking like he was with King Rice that he was just reaching out in this terrible day of Koby Bryant tragically passing what day man. What a day you know I? I know that there's you know we talked about this yesterday with Tommy lots of criticism of TMZ. I don't I I agree with Tommy. This is their business so this is what they do. They got it right and in terms of the people that got look if they had gotten it wrong. It's an all time wrong. You know They haven't gotten a lot wrong in recent years Those that did get Rick Fox wrong or that. Four daughters Kobe's four daughters run the helicopter. Those people that got that wrong. I I can't name them right now. I don't know who it was. That broke the Rick Fox News I would just say. Obviously it's terrible but on a day like that similar. Today's you know again. I'm not comparing nine. Eleven to Sunday but nine eleven was one of those surreal Newsday's and things are happening news breaking in things are going on and this is before social media to this is before twitter. You know this is before instagram. This is before facebook. You know in two thousand one right. FACEBOOK came along couple years after that and Y- I guarantee you that if you go back on nine eleven there was a lot coronas reporting in the hours after the world trade centers and the Pentagon you know. I remember living here and you know thinking for a good thirty to forty five minutes that there was a rogue aircraft headed for Washington. DC and just looking up at the skies with all of the fighter jets circling calling our city in the hours after nine eleven. That is still honestly one of the crazy I. It's it's the day of my lifetime in terms of you know where I was what I was doing remembering everything you know as it was for John. F Kennedy's assassination for People who are older But to look up into the sky at ten thirty eleven in the morning Levin thirty in the morning and seeing fighter jets flying overhead and reports of a rogue aircraft now that rogue aircraft probably probably was flight. Ninety three that ended up You know being taken down By the passengers in Shanksville with an incredible active of of of heroism but Anyway my point is this. I guess you know there was a Roni US reporting and it's probably happened a lot on days like that in the past with a lot of media. You don't WanNa get it wrong and you don't want to get it wrong. Word impact somebody in his friends and family the way it did there. You're but you know people that are harshly critical of those people that were rushing to get it to get it. I got it wrong Remember member it's not. They're not the first ones and they won't be the last ones. It's a competitive business. You know journalism news very competitive business in and and And that was a that was a swing and miss the Rick Fox stuff was swinging Amiss and I thought that part of King's King Rice was coaching basketball game and left the basketball. ESKIMO game all right to start calling Rick Fox when he heard that Rick Fox was on the helicopter Okay Wanted to get through a couple of other things including What happened last night at Duke? You saw this errand right with weird so last night. Duke's playing you know a traditionally CC matchup against a pit last night at Cameron Indoor those traditional ACC Matt match rivalry they do pit. I'm pits actually decent this year. They've had a I think didn't pit sweep North Carolina. I mean everybody's Beaten Norton North Carolina's now won two in a row. Yes they have. They want to interrupt. I bet against them the other day or you did or the NC state game yeah But pits actually played pretty well And they're at Duke last night and at the end of the a half of that game. The Duke Cameron Crazies Start Chanting at Jeff Capel. Who is the head coach? Pitch F capable played it to coach to duke his an assistant part of the Duke Family They started chanting At Jeff Capel come sit with us. It was a playful chant Because it was saying. Hey you're not one of them. You're one of us. Come sit with us. While chef ski went nuts he went absolutely nuts he screwed stock. He stood up walked across the court and started telling the students to shut shut up and to say he's one of US shut up. He's one of us you screaming it. I mean the rat was in rare form. I haven't seen him that angry with anybody. Anybody but his players in a long long time he lost it completely lost it and he didn't know what they were chanting. He assumed that they were chanting something thing because they do at times chant things that are derogatory. And you know. They think they're clever and sometimes they are in. Sometimes they really miss the mark and sometimes they're very playful and You know harmless and sometimes they really get after somebody in opposing player in opposing coach and a mean-spirited way. They have over the years and he thought that they were chanting something. That was more mean spirited towards capable and he's screaming at them to shut up and that he's one of us and afterwards when he found found out that the chant wasn't really what he thought it was he sort of apologized. Sort of he said it was a mistake on my part but I'd rather make a mistake in protection of my guy I went at the end of the half and said look. He's our guy in. That's and that said so I apologize. Let's think of a different cheer like defense or let's go duke or let's go dude. That's not what they do coach. They do a lot of that but they got a whole sheet they added. I don't know if you're familiar with this. They got a whole sheet of chance for every game. The worst singling out people remember there is group. Maryland fans have tried to start doing cheer sheets and that got shot. Shaw Yeah we don't need to be them Never have needed to be them but You Know He. Also as part of his post-game Presser spoke a lot about Kobe Bryant who he coached obviously in the Olympics in you know And when out of his way to say you know these last couple of days have been really emotional Kobe was one of my players. I coached him on three different teams. He was my leader. We had special moments private and public. He was amazing with my grandkids So anyway Maybe everybody has is sort of forgiven for anything in the aftermath of of the Sunday tragedy. especially if you have direct experience and our friends I'm in no Kobe Bryant But anyway that that was that was funny to watch K.. A completely lose his mind even capable said afterwards. And I'm paraphrasing at this point That was sort of a nice cheer. May you know I. It certainly wasn't something That was Antagonistic or mean-spirited Duke won the game. Seventy sixty seven Georgetown loss last night right and they are. They're started getting towards that point now where they're not a tournament team And they had a stretch there where they certainly were building a decent resume to be included in the tournament. I always say this every year about the tournament. You start discounting or you start eliminating teams from contention. You can't do that on January twenty nine. That's a mistake so I'll admit I'll admit that upfront. Because the the field of sixty eight they gotta fill the whole thing out. And they're going to be a lot of teams that you think aren't deserving that are going to be right there in the bubble and have a chance but Georgetown's now lost three in a row and two of those games were at home against Marquette in Butler native double digit lead last night. They're going to have to win some big games. They have opportunities. You know they play Villanova. They play Seton Hall. They play Butler again. You know they play Creighton again that you know the big East is pretty damn good. They've got a chance to make a run but they needed. They needed that game last night against a ranked Butler eighteen which would have given their second win in about a week and a half over ranked teams instead? They've lost three in a row and four of their last five five and then in the NBA last night. How about your Washington Wizards and what? They did. Last night. The Wizards last night lost to the bucks. One fifty one to one thirty one in that game. Chris Middleton who played for Mark Turgeon at Texas am and is an all-star Went for a career high fifty one points. Chris Middleton Sixteen Twenty six from the field seven of ten from behind the ARC. Twelve twelve from the free throw line He had fifty one eric. BLEDSOE was the second second leading scorer with thirty four new. You're asking yourself a what about Yoenis. Where's genus Tenneco? Whereas the Greek freak well he didn't play last night he had a sore shoulder and they still scored scored one hundred fifty? One points against the wizards The Wizards are terrible. Defensively terrible defensively. All time bad defensively headed towards one of the worst defensive seasons in NBA history. Now beal had forty seven all right. Hey that's a second straight forty. He plus point game for him. They trailed at halftime eighty eight to sixty three. The Bucks scored eighty eight points. In the first half a franchise record for them them and a franchise. Worst in terms of most points allowed for the bullets slash wizards the bull. The wizards have now given up one hundred forty forty or more in six games the most since nineteen ninety. Paul Westhead led Denver Nuggets the nuggets that year had six games in which they allowed one hundred and forty plus points in eighty two games the wizards of allowed one hundred and forty plus in forty six games James. They've allowed one hundred fifty plus four times this year including the last two games. I mean like if you so you like there. There was a day and it's not that long ago. Where if somebody gave up a buck twenty-five whoa that's a bad defensive night buck you know? They're giving up a buck fifty plus plus in back to back games. They're horrendous on defense It's a It's they can score. They they they they certainly can score points but if you look at like the last two games don't forget. They scored one hundred and thirty three hundred and thirty one in the last two games in part because their opponents. I didn't think that there was any chance in hell. They would lose the game so they were okay getting into a summer league up and down you know. Let's score as many points as we can kind out of a game That's enough on them. I will finish up with The following Erin brought this to my attention yesterday. I've not been paying attention attention to the Fedex field concert schedule but Aaron has been and he thinks it may potentially impact the redskins early season schedule next year. the fat Fedex. Field's got a bunch of stuff going on this summer it starts Wednesday may twenty seventh with the BT 's world tour. What does that Aaron K Pop band is super popular. Apparently unfamiliar with them not really Then Saturday June six. They've got a monster jam truck show at Fedex field. That'll don't mess up the field. Pretty good won't it. Yeah Friday August Twenty First Justin Bieber at Fedex field and then Thursday August twenty seventh. Ramstein right right. Yeah they're a German. I'm halfway a little bit familiar with them So Fedex field's going to get torn up and when that last concert takes place on August twenty seventh. According to the reports the Redskins will take what at that point will be more likely than not damaged field and they will replace that field yes now the. NFL season next year is going to be a late. NFL season in terms of the calendar Week one Labor as late this year. And that's the reason for that because the NFL schedule pretty much comes off of Labor Day weekend. Labor Day next The the next September is on Monday September seventh which is the latest. You can have Labor Day which means the NFL season will kick off Thursday nights. September tenth in the first Sunday will be September thirteenth. Pretty much the latest you can start the NFL. I would have thought that it was earlier but yeah I didn't realize Labor Day that was that just so everybody knows that means that the final week of the season next year will be January third So it'll be Sunday January third her twenty twenty one will be final a week of the NFL season so So anyway if August twenty seventh is the day that they have their last big event and then on the twenty eighth they begin to replace the field. Will it be ready for a home opener on September timber thirteenth. I don't know I don't know that time of year and I'm not you know this isn't my area of expertise But I we'd bet that will lead to more likely than not is a request for more time for the field to sort of grow in to settle in and that means the redskins more likely than not are gonNA Open on the road that's area that's my guess. And so when I do my mock schedule is the first nugget on the mocks. Yeah I will. Certainly they have this as the first sort of. Hey this is a consideration here. That's why I'm going on the road For the Redskins to open the season remember last year are. They opened up the season on the road at Philadelphia And in twenty eighteen they opened up the season on the road in Arizona. And I think I predicted both of those. I believe so because they had had multiple years in a row of opening at home they had opened a against Philadelphia. I think at twenty seventeen. They had the back to back home games games against the steelers on a Monday night and the cowboys in Two Thousand Sixteen I think twenty fifteen started with two home games. That was the first year of Kirk starting with Miami and Saint Louis at home and I think it was at Houston before they went on the road at Arizona which had been the last time they had opened up a season on the road and that was the Jay Gruden gruden season number. One I that is on on memory there. Are you following along with me and my right about that. Sally Fourteen was at Houston. Twenty fifteen was was was the combination of Miami Rams. In kirks I do breath open up the season. Two Thousand Sixteen was Pittsburgh Dallas. They started to write twenty seventeen gene was Philly at home That was that game. That was really close and They lost it towards the end. There's a back door Lasts you fumble return on the final play of the game. Yeah Yes yes And then Sir twenty eighteen. I predicted they're gonNA play on the road because he'd played so many home openers and then even last year I think my mock mkx schedule I could be wrong. Think I had them opening up on the road so we'll be three straight years on the road. Maybe based on the summer schedule at Fedex field. There's a couple couple of fun facts to know and tell your friends about the potential redskins twenty twenty schedule early in the season Maybe a road game hold on. You WanNa get. Let's let's let's take this okay. We'll just start to do a little bit of the of the redskins schedule for twenty twenty The redskins skins On the road in twenty twenty play their division games and then they also play Cleveland and Pittsburgh from the AFC San Francisco. Arizona WANNA in Detroit They opened last year with Philadelphia on the roads. That's probably not going to happen this year. at Arizona was at Arizona was two years ago. That's probably not going to happen at. Cleveland feels like a possibility. I think it'll be a division game at giants. Giants are at giants. The the problem with the cowboys is that the cowboys have been in that Sunday nights cowboy. That's not going to happen so I'll go with that giants. It's right now. That's my twenty twenty one redskins opening day game. I remember I had thrown out earlier because they have Carolina on the scheduled home. That may be Carolina's a week one opponent at Fedex field. We might have to wait for week two for that. All right. That's it for the show today Thanks to Aaron. Thanks to all of you Tommy with me tomorrow. Lots of Super Bowl talk tomorrow and Friday Enjoy the day.

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Episode 19: The Slaying of Echo Fox

The Great Fail

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Episode 19: The Slaying of Echo Fox

"You're one of those things that when I read them they were so crazy that I I went over to one of my colleagues. I was like, you are never going to believe within this thing. Welcome to episode 19 of the great sale a podcast that examines the greatest success stories and they're spectacular fails would led to the demise of the most prolific people Brands and companies. I am your host Deborah Chen off this week. We'll be looking at Echo Fox In May of 2019 riot games, one of the biggest game developers and Esports tournament organizers made a public announcement to the nearly 400 million members of the E Sports community in an issued statement ride announced that it had been investigating a situation with a team owner who had allegedly used discriminatory and rakes language. The team in reference was echo-fox. One of the ten franchise teams that had the coveted slot in Riot games prestigious League of Legends World Series tournament off the incident involved the co-founders of echo Fox former NBA player Rick Fox and entrepreneur Amit raizada Fox had publicly accused rosada of making threads young and spewing racist comments towards another executive as more dirt began to surface allegations swirl constantly each one more out. Wages than the last but Riot games had enough and elected to issue a 60-day mediation. For Equifax to either remove the executive who violated their hate speech these or forced to relinquish their spot in the championship series The Clock Was ticking and the objective was clear. But what with the management office Echo Fox Jew Welcome to the story of echo Fox spawns in 2015 eliminated by 2019. When echo-fox emerged there was the Paragon of Excellence that projected a legitimacy that mirrored the increasing lucrative and popular Esports world's. It was really the first celebrity driven team managed by a few pro athletes that understood the performance parallels between sports and gaming wage but that promising star soon devolved into a he said he said accusation restraining orders death threats drug-fueled parties and other scandals that track the company down. I myself have been fascinated with gaming culture for some time and have had the privilege of attending several competitions including the Intel extreme Masters in kattowitz of Poland and some local events within the United States. The tournaments were insane often times matching the same intense energy, you'd find a traditional live sports events from Celebrity Status Gamers off their dedicated fanbase to experience the same nerve-wracking Thrills watching their favorite team battle worthy rival down to the jerseys the theme music and trash talk and perhaps that's why it's the fourth biggest sport in the world with the market for Esports betting valued at around Thirty billion dollars. Back in 2015 former Los Angeles Laker and 3 time NBA champion Rick Fox made a bed of his own when he met an investor by the name of Amit raizada at a Hollywood party and decided to dive into the Esports business with him along with another gentleman by the name of Khalid Jones rosada and Jones both put in a million dollars to purchase a spot in the league championship series a k a l c s which was owned by Riot games and that cost them a million dollars on its own with the second million going towards running the new team ground and if anyone was groomed to put Esports on equal footing with the NFL and NBA Fox was a man. He was the first one of the prominent figures just the traditional Sports World to embrace professional gaming in a serious way here is Daniel rossen journalist news editor and content creator with the score Esports, I think. Echo Fox started in 2015 early to kind of became known to the public is when he took the end date they bought their spot in the League of Legends championship series, which are sort of the the major league for North America a bunch of teams, you know and NBA equivalent or an MLB equivalent, you know, this is where you go to play if you're North American player and want to play professional baseball saw and believed and that saw previously belong to gravity games not as important, but the the exciting thing was that it was being at least from the outside looking in we all thought wow, Rick Fox is coming into Esports and especially in 2015, you know these days Esports a lot of celebrity investors, you know, he'll O'Neill even vested in an RGA. Gluco is Jennifer Lopez so is a rod right like live a lot of celebrity and investors, you know, the weekend has changed ownership share in an OverWatch League team and drink a lot of stories like that. But in 2015 now really wasn't the case there were very very few big names investing Sports and it felt like in 2015 wage. Wow, you're the 81 NBA change be right a famous celebrity a sports star who really seems to care. You know, he went to the League of Legends Final Madison Square Garden and I think twelve or fourteen right that whole video about it. His son was a big League of Legends dinner or still is he seems to genuinely care and like this and and you know wants to use it at least partially the way to connect with his son but also as a way to like, you know, courage new athletes, he went on The View to talk about sports. He went on all kinds of like, you know, MSNBC just new shows to talk about e-sports and how we do to positively and how it compared and positive thoughts to traditional Sports and and compared to his experience as an athlete and that was something that was really really cool and exciting and we were all and we all thought wow, this is going to be the beginning of something really really big fox and his Partners usually purchase Major League of Legends team gravity in 2015 under Vision Venture partners, and then rebranded it as Echo Fox then in 2006. When the New York Yankees invested actually dropped ten million dollars to become one of the first franchises in the North American professional league for the LCS. And when fox went off he went in big-time Echoes headquarter was based in the ritziest part of Los Angeles Beverly Hills. The 30,000 square-foot facility was like a jacked up man cave box with plush leather seating and inviting Lounge area that had ping pong tables a handcrafted with handmade wood with a state-of-the-art training facility where the Academy teams would practice six days a week the vibe and the execution of Echoes mission was at the intersection of experimentation and Innovation and tested the Realms of professional gaming. Here's the other thing though. It wasn't just the facade. It was plainly apparent how passionate Fox was about gaming and he proved to be Visionary running the team through applying Concepts that he had learned as a professional job. Athlete to e-sports. He recruited former Denver Nugget Jared Jeffries who then came on board to manage the actual running of the team hiring coaches scouting talented players, negotiating contracts merchandising and finding sponsors and for a while. They were really making moves. I remember I am a really big Street Fighter guy that's sort of my sports background and I remember one day they taught every fighting game free agent. That was out there. They bought Justin long. They bought momochi. They bought I think so. So keto the song box a bunch of Smash requires me to King some of the biggest most famous fighting game players in the world. And so the most successful I think Echo Fox something like something observe like three Evo championships were won by the plane a while. They were under Echo box these fighting game players put together something like three or four World Championship or playing for the team and that's crazy and it rarely happens in in in fighting game competitions that like dead. Team dominates things cuz it's not really team-based and not a lot of players get sponsored by bigger dogs like this, but Echo Fox was all over fighting game tournament for like a year and half that was sort of I think for a while. They're real claim to fame. They I think they also had a Call of Duty team that wasn't all that special like years of war team that I think did did okay. I haven't really called ears too heavily. They briefly had a csgo theme that was not very impressive. But really they're they're you know, there'll be that they were a league team that had a lot of fans do too I think race being popular and then finding a good number of like popular belief players like Brogan's and they're fighting in division. That was just some of the best most popular place in the world playing at their Peak. My 2018 Vision has raised an additional thirty eight million for its e Sports Venture from some major names and sports including Kevin Durant's Odell Beckham jr. And the Saint Louis Cardinals. It was a huge influence to the E Sports World and the first time a major non-endemic organization formed inherently changing how people looked at a sports and for a while. Everyone had their eyes on a guy. But just like a team where no one wants to play support echo-fox would ultimately find themselves in a losing position back in 2018. Rumors began to emerge the first rumors. We always heard about Echo Fox were about just sort of things behind the scenes being a little bit. What's the word like a loosey-goosey off? There wasn't a lot of Direction in order behind the scenes, but then we started hearing in 2018 players being dropped sort of en masse that kind of dropped everybody who was at the absolute best names that they had many of those betting employers were dropped. I think the only people they retained were some of the Smash Bros players need to King and those guys they dropped pretty much all of their like non League of Legends players aside from those two and even the link team I think saw some pretty significant cuts. And so we were kind of looking everything what's happening here and then sort of the first like really big public off. Right a flag was in early 2019. I wanted it was March or April a journalist. Richard Lewis released a report through the outlet skirt show that Rick Fox was trying to leave Echo box office. He founded the company. His name is technically on due to racist language used by a shareholder in emails to him and to his business partner Jake Paul who at one point with the CEO of Equifax this shareholder who used that break this language came out to be a guy by the name of Amit raizada. But so that was our first evidence that like things were wrong because of race box wants out something must be up. However, the public spectacle occurred in April of 2019 when Fox alleged that Rosanna use racist language aimed at Echoes previous CEO Jace home during an internal dispute and according to the accusations. This wasn't the first time that the racial epithets were used towards Hall and even Fox himself crucially, the claims were backed up evidence Regatta in an interview with me. He did confirm that he used greatest language specifically the n-word in an email to Jace Hall. He also confirmed that he did send an email to Rick Fox that Rick Fox construed as being threatening to him. He can kind of be construed either way, you know as a journalist. I'm not going to say which way I feel about it or whatever but he has owned off to me saying the things that people have accused website when Fox first went public with this he announced that he would sell his stake in the team that he had founded stating that such flagrant racism coupled with Jim. That's against his family had created an environment that he could not be a part of in an email obtained by dick sarit. Oh, he also announced a situation with the shareholders. He was quoted saying off. This is an official notification of my intention to exit the echo Fox organization as a shareholder and participant as soon as I am able to facilitate a transaction to do so the recent purchase and abhorrent display of pure racism made by a significant Equifax shareholder as well as threats to my family have made it impossible for me to continue to remain associated with the company. However, Fox quickly reversed course and instead offered an ultimatum to the parent company of echo to Vision Venture partners, and that was let rosada go or am I would walk rosada along with the vision Venture Executives Stratton sclavos Khalid Jones and they're legal team fired back with a lawsuit claiming that fox was simply create wage. Diversion from an apparent Trainwreck. He had caused that Echo alleging self dealings and gross ineptitude that cost investors millions of dollars rosatos lawyer said in an email statement that quote if Rick Fox wants to blame someone for Echo Fox's failures. He should start by looking in the mirror Rick ping pong back with a suit of his own office alleging that his ex-partners committed fraud conspiracy and breach of contract interestingly enough Stratton sclavos a co-owner of the San Jose Sharks and former CEO verisign filed a restraining order against Fox, but he was denied and he and the rest of the members of the parent company along with others affiliated with Equifax accused Fox of quote willful wanton and intentionally destructive efforts towards the partnership Fox had also accused rosada in sklavos of using his star power as the faith. The company and then behind the scenes misappropriating corporate funds that included leasing a $20,000 a month Beverly Hills house a hundred thousand dollars in unapproved expensive and it's $350,000 yearly salary. So there's a little bit of a he-said-she-said here or he said he said in this case Rick Fox alleges that raizada wouldn't budge that. He didn't want out of life was getting some significant share of the proceeds from the sale of Equifax has sought or rather. He wanted to be bought out and nobody could buy out what he had or something like that. It was it's sort of complicated. But either way Rick box right now that wasn't budging on his position unless some significant amount of money was being presented to him raised NADA says that actually what Ryan was telling us publicly was not what was happening. He presented document that package which this that Riot found for material breaches and Echo Fox's agreement with Riot games. So those reaches were the first one was right out of you that problematic language that I thought of violated the rules of the league. Yep. Using racist language in telecommunications. They don't stand for that. That's a big one. But the other three were more about their Finance. The second one was that they had over a million dollars in debt without rice cakes. The third one was that they didn't have at least five million dollars in a liquid reserves, which personally that seems very difficult for any sports team to have honestly, but maybe that is what is in rights agreement with them and the third choice not getting rise consent for having over 10% new equity in the company, which that takes us down a whole other mess with how that Equity was was created for I thought it to have but the point is that right out of Ledges. They were far more issues with Echo Fox behind the scenes than him using that language. Riot very quickly caught wins at the situation and wasted no time going into full investigation mode and after conducting its own independent review it gave Echo and ultimatum. If its own get rid of your races executive or sell the LCS lot now, we're Thirty million dollars, but within the 60-day period nothing happens except for management continuing to fight amongst themselves this ultimately led to riots seizing the slot and taking matters into his own hands to find a buyer. Once they made that move it was crystal clear that Echo Fox was going down, you know. But wait, there's more in October 2015 Rick Fox sued, Amit raizada and strong strong Volvo's. I think formerly of the San Jose Sharks NHL team as well as a former CEO of Equifax and general investor in Echo Fox and vision Venture Partners on the whole Echo Fox family of investment groups, but he walks around major investor in a call and response accused him and raised out of several broad was in there, but do Siri misdeeds it was kind of crazy but the absolute craziest part of this month actually insane and I want to preface it by saying I have never found evidence to this being true or untrue. And as far as I know this lawsuit was settled or dismissed, but he accused Strong's clavos of putting the company into a financial tailspin because he was self-dealing he was taking money out of the company in order to fund his heavy use drug lifestyle and that whole thing sucks. And being addicted to illegal drugs made him financially indenture to Amit raizada because he needed right. His money to fuel his drug habit and right. I had a lien on Chicago's his house which meant that until he paid off his debt to him for drugs. He wound his home. It was a truly absurd story that started with brasada and scavo was doing drugs together as as follows will get addicted to said drugs and then again financially indentured to him to deal with drug habit. It was crazy. It was one of the wildest lobsters have ever read and I have read all weirdly enough any sports. I have heard a lot of lawsuits. He was truly insane and to this day. I don't know where the accusations came from. I don't have any evidence that they were true. I guess I also don't have any evidence that they were untrue, but they really were urging you're one of those think that when I read them they were so crazy that I went over to one of my colleagues. I was like, you are never going to believe within this thing. Finally by October of 2019 the LCS slots was sold two prominent Esports organization Evil Geniuses for thirty million dollars, but not without some drama there as well the sale officially marked the end of what turned out to be a very short era for Echo Fox after the sixty day grace period when Regatta had not been removed from Equifax Riot sort of took control of the sale of echo Fox Echo box had brokered some sort of deal to have kroenke sports and entertainment which is run by the coffee family who owned the LA Rams and Arsenal. I believe among a bunch of other sports any sports teams cranky was supposed to buy Echo Fox and the LTS lot that deal ended up falling through Ryan's ended up selling the slots to Evil Geniuses and other major sports organizations for $30. And then it was pretty much over the party was done without their LCS La Vaca Loca Fox couldn't hold onto their League of Legends player. So they were all let go. They didn't have a major team that was bringing in advertising. There was no reason to keep around other people. They still held on to some of their fighting game players actually kind of hilariously a lot of the fighting game players were still playing with Echo Fox jerseys for months and months and months because technically took a little legal entity that existed and they were still under contract to wear that Jersey at events. But echo-hawk was social went dark. Nobody was really like thinking about them. With countless rumors floating around accusations flying pending lawsuits looming this became the point of no return and by the end of 2019 and Ed Fox investor officially confirmed that the team was defunct its players had been let go and the company itself disbanded. Once the mudslinging starts off is really hard to fix all the other problems. This has happened. I'm sure in plenty of other phases of plenty of other companies but like once things start going bad in public all your under the surface problems just get exacerbated if it's already a sort of Rick Fox versus the world conversation going on behind the scenes of getting people money. Once that conversation becomes public and people are taking time. You start looking around, see if you can jump to another shift one. That's a little bit safer when it's a little bit more, you know PR friendly there is no shortage of people trying to create new e sports teams trying to have new Esports startups. There was also especially at the time No shortage of teams trying to get in on newly franchise leaks. The OverWatch League was on was you know, I think happening at that point it already happened. The Call of Duty Lee was on the horizon League of Legends was people were talking about buying out font. Another thought was sold that very reason I believe why was you who are in all this trouble like with you know, this whole public relations trouble and your league spot. Your entire major aspect is at risk of being sold, but I'm sure content with possibility you not making all the money you would want to make on why should we invest in you? Not only eight hundred other new Esports startups who could potentially not be collapsing in a life and I think it would it would Echo Park would have been a really unsettled to an investor once all of this dirt came out, you know, as soon as this whole Rick Fox versus Amit raizada viewed it went public was soon as you know, this reporter Victor tow came out as soon as Rick Fox News on TMZ saying he would not work with a racist. Once that happened. I really do think it was kind of in retrospect with the end. The storm of problems around Echo Fox was simply too great to weather and unlike most games. No one had an extra life to spare. What had ensued at Equifax highlights the issue of racism diversity and accountability within an industry that is undergoing explosive growth and despite all the star power and strong players. The company was crushed by its own ownership and the controversy surrounding the allegation and misbehavior of its management. I think one of the biggest things that that goes off from the outside looking in it that we all wanted to succeed because we all we all like four Fox and I really do think to a certain extent all of these Sports still really likes for Fox. We we recently did a video recapping all of this stuff on the forty-fourth YouTube channel, like sort of a a look Bank more narrative than than journalistic and in the comments were flooded by people saying that Red Sox are raw deal whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant. I think that he was such a great figurehead for the company that people couldn't help want him to want the company to succeed. I think if I were to give advice to these were is trying to find that kind of person can honestly be a great idea. Maybe that person doesn't have to be in charge. Of Team operations or financial operations, but I do think having that kind of face having something that fans can rally behind somebody who gets the community and they get them. I think that I'm thinking only be helpful. You see it with some organizations now Hector Rodriguez, otherwise of hex founded optic or co-founded optic with a major part of that team's growth and after he got sort it out due to complicated series of financial things and RG6 them up and the entire optic fanbase moved with him. He became co-ceo of that company and he brought people with him. He's on a player, you know, he does create some content but she's not a guy who is out there playing games on the server every day. He is a business person and that's still worked and and I think that finding it's hard to find a guy like her career Fox his home to find a guy like X, but I think finding that kind of person he's going to make your company stand out and be different and be special and you know, if you find that person and you also managed to not you suck. Good language and Communications with your public shareholders. I think you'd have a pretty great company going. Regardless of actual legal rulings it's clear that there were no real winners after the echo Fox debacle would started out as a true glimpse of potential for new air bags of Esports Came Crashing Down and no matter how much settlement money gets paid out. Nobody likes to lose in front of a crowd in the end Equifax. His fate was not determined by a fierce competitor on the game stage, but rather by throwing a hand grenade into its own tent. Special thanks to Daniel rossen for contributing to this episode and sharing his valuable insight and research on Echo Fox and thank you for tuning in. This week's The Great fail. Please make sure to visit our website at the great failed, for behind-the-scene audio and video footage. 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Searching Emotions

High Noon

22:59 min | 1 year ago

Searching Emotions

"Everybody's down in Miami. I'm stuck in New York. Yeah I'm pretty jealous. Honestly I saw people go in the pool and I take and that just seems like a bad idea for everybody involved but I mean everybody. He'll show the public pool. That's a good idea. We'll start today with Kobe Bryant because last night on inside the NBA Shack remembered. Kobe like this will appear. We work a lot of times. We we we take stuff grant. I talk to you guys much. The fact that we're not going to be Joe Hall of fame ceremony demonic going to be able to say how I got five you got four the fact that we're not going to be able to influence stay together we kinda got tint. Don't care get back. Feel watching one thing that happened after this checks So so the reported their base each opinion hardaway after this so much shacks career is marked by these pairings that eventually came with some level of falling out and seeing him reflect. Don't WanNa those with the time that was lost between those two guys and that just the time they have and they were actually together but the time after they were separate. We're all this could have probably been alleviated in a different sort of way and so to see see that big old giant man with tears way more than me dripping down his face. I feel like that's spelled out for a lot of people again. What eight largely hugely impactful moment all? But this has been for people that probably wouldn't have expected it with a hit them that way it hit me man and we are so good so many of us are so good at building mental walls also that emotionally protect us from contemplating how unstoppably temporary everything. We're doing on this planet is. That's what we do right. You build a wall and so oh title earthquake. Thousands of people wore all that stuff. It doesn't get us but it turns out. There is a flaw in that kind of defense that we build in. The flaw is that we actually let people in behind the wall and so obviously our friends and family are there but the discovery for me with shack last night with Kobe. This week is that they're they're there are two and I didn't necessarily consciously bring them in there but I gave them we many of us gave them this sort of real estate in our head and so when I watch shack contemplate onto plate mortality. I'm doing the exact same thing I mean I think last night and especially the really good and I think that's show deserves a unique. I love the credit for whenever something like this happens we have anything that's been on the scale but somebody around the NBA dies. It kinda puts you in a place where you recognize. How close all those cats are Suribachi? Around the League knows each other in a way that is not really the case with these guys play ball against each other from fourteen years old on right in because the numbers of people that player so small there are more exposed and everything else like we see who those guys are and they come together when it comes to like this and they talk about the NBA as a fraternity. Then feel like a cliche. It feels like an actual swale real live fraternity when these things happen in person who of their fraternity who was also affected. Was Rick Fox and Rick Fox on there last night talking about what it was for him to have people think that he was dead why to get a phone call like oh you're alike. Why are you crying on the other line because the internet said that you were dead like there was so much chaos? Hey how's that went on a date that point I think we'll go back and revisit and realize just how much was going on at one time on Sunday and that one the Rick Fox one felt like such a modern phenomenon because I know there have been missed reportings and misleading headlines before around tragedies but when you have people processing not just Greece wreath but rumor simultaneously. It's possible for a guy to be grieving. His friend it also to not realize that people were also grieving him. Now take him hill. Quite possibly the saints quarterback of the future my floor. Your pro football talks reporting there. Drew Brees is seriously considering retirement. And that the saints would like breeze to play play one more season before handing Job Hill for the twenty twenty one season. He'll be US more in two thousand twenty under this plan. Pablo what do you think of this idea for succession it. It is intriguing because drew brees is not finished yet. Drew brees seems to be sending flares. If you believe Mike Florio that he is seriously considering leaving this game but to do that at this point just seems strange to me because he after week ten when he came back with that thumb ligament thing was top three in Qbr behind mahomes the Mark Jackson he led the League in completion percentage for the second straight year career high passer rating and so to say that. Hey tastes them hill. Replace this listen some fashion that just seems premature to be any like forty years old. I wonder we talk anyway. Forty years old Katie. Get the ball down the field. No you haven't seen that is limited. You got the option man. You can stay one year too long and get out of here one year early. Most people choose to stay one year too long so the idea that it's premature seems to ignore history the NFL stuff right. If I'm the saints if he's not drew brees and he told me so much to them. This is the time that you probably bail. What does it make sense to me under? This scenario is your quarterback of the future which is gonNA be thirty years old next year. Your quarterback of the future is it undrafted free agent. Who like great athlete can run all this stuff? You're telling me that at all this this through all this time that tastes infielders become an NFL quarterback at this point. I find this to be absurd. Baby Sean Payton is cooked up some great offense this possible well. He's got some plan in mind for this unique set of talent. I just have to say though good for a you. Taste them hill. Everybody that comes out of college looking like a running back and not a quarterback where people will hang around for six seven years until you get ready at age thirty one. And the day of franchise from drew brees. It does feel likes Sean. Payton must have that in mind though some sort of plan it must be that Sean Payton is jealous of looking around and seeing all the other stuff. People can do with their newfangled quarterbacks because I disagree with you on drew brees being finished get out. I didn't say he was that you would move on from him. Now that to me feels early. What where I agree with you completely is that we have not seen enough from tastes hill outside of the limited circumstances working you so radically different from to make me think that guy instead of Teddy Bridgewater look? He's throwing the ball thirteen times. His It'd be clear about this breeze is the one who was talking about walking away so like would it be premature for him to walk away. Not If you WANNA make sure you don't look Mike Fool on the way out and a Lotta guys look like fools on the way out up next job sanders because he first ballot hall of Famer. Had this to say about said the hall of fame to Dan Patrick once the whole affair with somebody who changed the dern game who who made you want to provoke you to reach in your repugnant paper admission to go see that guy play. Forget the rest of the team. You wanted to see hall of fame anymore. Everybody Tom Digging Area Your Hall of Famer. You're a hall of Famer everybody in this thing. It's not a is not exclusive any more. And so are you with Dionne on the hall of fame exclusivity problems that is ridiculous now. What seems the motivating factor for this discussion? Was Eli Manning. Manning is going to be his own unique individual case ace but gold look year after year after year. About how backlogged. It's about to be guys trying to get into the hall of fame right and it's a maximum class of eight right. Only guys get in at one time. Let's go see how this goes down. Like a guy. Like Patrick Willis. Are you sure Patrick Willis is GonNa make the hall of fame. Because I'm not sure Calvin Johnson. I'm not sure he's going to wind up making taking the hall of fame and as much as we talked about getting again and I think it will happen eventually. This ain't GonNa be no I balanced situation when that balance tax by the time he gets there you're going to realize how many great players there were in. NFL history and how many of them ultimately go look like Drew Pearson. Thirty years down the line. That was the name that came to mind. When I heard about this story was that video video of Drew Pearson sitting at home around by cameras and his loved ones crying because he was not good enough to make to make the club Sanders? Says everybody can get into these days and to your point about Patrick Wilson Company. Yeah Lou keithly right. He seems like a first ballot guy based on the numbers but we're going to have generation of dudes both who play fewer and fewer years. Just because maybe that's the strategy and the medical wisdom of all of this and so what are we have. We have a conversation around. What does the hall of fame here to be because some people wanted to be a museum and I was was thinking about this too okay but no one really cares about what goes in museums? We care about this stuff. So what is it. Is it a memorial site now. We don't really visit these sites physically so much so it's kind of an award awards show it's kind of an awards show with a historical Gravitas and on that level. I don't see the problem being. We have too many people that were celebrate because the honor has to mean something based on the idea the exclusivity like the whole the whole point of being exclusive is to be exclusive. So what's the problem with everybody in here with the big deal of it. If you let everybody nobody in here what for me. It's not letting everybody in here. It's simply that the problem with the hall of fame as it is is not about how easy it is to get into it. It's simply that maybe WanNa err on the side of. Let's celebrate all of these figures. We really love watching our own. That's not what this is. Let's err on the side of only the best of the best. I'm with Dion on at that point. I just think he's crying wolf about problems coming up next coach K.. Fig May that's always fun ever been knocked down you. You know suffered a setback fired left out it happens. It happens a Mike. Bloomberg middle class kid worked his way through college. Got A job started a family boom home fired at thirty nine would it Mike do for a lot of us. Do we got backup dove back in. He idea designing computer able to quench data And Process Information in a unique way he built it. He sold it. He built more. He sold more. He built a team. Built a company created twenty thousand jobs. Bloomberg is a doer. This is Michael. Douglas I played a president and movies. This is real world. This is our World Mike Bloomberg has it takes to win in the country. Find some common ground between Democrats Republicans and then lead the way a leadership. Mike will get it die. Hi I'm Mike. Bloomberg candidate for president and I approve this message paid for by Mike Bloomberg. Twenty twenty coming to you from the seaport district appears. Here's seventeen brought to you by chase. Give it to Ma. I always won- jobs looked up yet. I co K says. He's going to Cava Avid Grazie last night after they'd directed at Pittsburgh coach. Jeff cable former Duke Player and assistant coach. Let's watch the paper. Come sit over here. There's a man here stories. Say well she thought I was done. Donna forget bills right. You don't even sure you've had us like that Brazzi Razzi. He's big home. Your Coach K.. Having a reason to be upset no I am not in on any sort of rationale for this does feel like a hilarious real life. Inverse inverse of that Simpson's joke. They were actually saying Bourne. They were kind of celebrating. Jeff capable here but for me. It's just like watching. The faces of those kids. have any of US been yelled at by a human being quite like recede yell at them when they get blue paint on my shirt while they lean and overall breast road. That's why I wish he did a dead but all jokes aside. This is an interesting time for coach K.. Decides that he is going to lecture them. These are not the cameron crazies. Twenty five thirty years ago right. They're not nearly as savages ages. They were back then but all of a sudden the way they talk is a problem because they're doing it to one of your friends and it was in a classic Duke. He's one of us. You know what is it okay to do a lot of the stuff they've done over the years maybe not just came but now this is it all right buddy. I see next topic bucks. Owner mark. Lazarus says that when Michael Jordan orden suggested he focused on a title not beating the Bulls Seventy two and ten record the owner in Milwaukee responded quote. Wow that's great. Thank you for that just so you know. We're going to focus on beating record record and winning a championship quilt. Abo- you win on mark. Lazarus confidence means This is what they got no not seen as Joe Laker the story about him if somebody said to Michael Jordan one of these board of governors me these billionaires sure opportunity to talk to Jordan. I can't imagine how theory is Mike is that he can't really really do anything about it. By the way the regular seventy-three yeah. That's the thing about this to me like to talk about Michael Jordan in this context is to be a historical. It's forget what actually happened. which was the Golden State Warriors? One seventy three games. They broke Michael Jordan's record and they did not win the championship. which basically negated the import of the record in the first first-place Michael Jordan on this note is Kinda rights? That's where you sit though. He said he will record and win a championship. Right the ninety six bulls still matter sixteen warriors. Warriors never happened and now Butts Milwaukee dropped one hundred fifty one points his last night including eighty eight in the first. Have you win on the bugs having the most impressive game of the season last night. So I'm gonNA confess something. I didn't watch this game and so when I immediately woke up and I was like well. What happened Oh well Janas must've I have gone off? Your honest. Didn't play. Janas did not play in this game. and Chris Middleton Fifty one points on twenty six shots for me. Obviously no defense was played here at all Bradley illegal had like forty with the fact that Chris Middleton has this in them that to me is meaningful. I mean I think the Chris Middleton score fifty points in an empty Jim because that's what it is playing it against them. I think every player in the NBA has fifty points against them. Playing against the wizards they might be the worst defensive team we've ever seen. They might be on the level of what was that. The one thousand nine hundred ninety one ninety ninety two nuggets too Paul westhead teams. They might be like that like I. I would love to give Chris Bilton credit for this fifty. I think he needs to send flowers to the worst. Now Alf the chiefs and was asked whether it feels like he and Padma homes are in the early stages of a Belichick Brady like Ron and read said quote. It's about the only thing I'm young at right now. Now so you went on this. Being the beginning of in fact he bella check Radi Run for these chiefs. I mean we'll see right like that that I think is a lot to as part of becomes bill. Belichick eljay being the man running personnel and his unique ability to put together teams on the cheat. What we've got here though is the right now right and I think that beholds at least it's going to be one of the best report backs we have ever seen? I think we've got that part. Is that necessarily translate to you. Basically in the best team in the League for twenty years that I don't know the similarities here aren't quite so parallel. Because Andy Reid offensive. Mind Bill Belichick very gifted on all levels and football but the defensive guy. That's what he does. And so you have in the Patriots Right quarterback plus the defense basically ensured year after year. The chiefs don't have that but if you ask me hey for the Kansas City chiefs with these two guys going to be really good atop the a division in like ten years probably say yes real problem with this is. How old is Andy Reid? Like I don't WanNa be that guy. But how old is he old and finally Frank Frank Clark. She's top Edge Paz's Russia's said Tuesday that he's quote not really too fond of the player he replaced in that role de Fort is here. What else Clark Ed? I'd say I just knew that lined up offsides in that Anybody who line the boss is in the time that I feel like. That's a dumb Penalty at the day I'm sure he feels the same way. You Clark Calling Florida I am because Frank Clark turns out is one of these pre game interview allstars. He was the guy who taunted effectively Derrick Henry before they lay the titans and that seemed like a fit too much off and now he is mostly here's is pointing and laughing at deflore. He's doing Nelson months thing. Ha Ha because yeah. That was horrific mistake he made last year. But like why are you thinking so much about de Ford Right A- and and they play the same position they trade Ford all things that if you want to say this. That's fine about Frank Clark. I don't even. I didn't play with this dude. They do all the chiefs from this. Mistakes were made has something to say about it. That would be one thing. I don't even know if he's ever met the guy coming up for you. All right coming up next. The titans gave Bill O'Brien more power. They weren't that game the playoffs. All right Sierra air can in highschool where companies daughters attended. There is Kobe. Bryant and other big helicopter crash broaden your press this time yeah I gotta Say I am way more breast here then end. The donkey did now. What feels like one hundred years ago when he was just fourteen years old yes when he was just fourteen years old? You're at this high standard for ducks. I'm glad that finally drew into what you I need. Absolutely I could've used more like herald footage though that guy some three Chinese you somewhere around there. He supposedly good S- teammates heralds. I you quote all of the texts seriously. Only the Texans Brian Brian Teeth Richard the Houston Chronicle after the Texas gave Bill. O'Brien the title of General Manager. Yesterday problems are the Texas making a mistake. Give O'Brien more power. Yes but this is the bed they've made. This is the bet they had made already now. They're just officially lying in it and it is stunning to see bill. O'Brien get the official title after a postseason in which no one felt good about watching bill. Brian Coach textile. This is bad business for the organization because do not really popular around the city right now especially now the way that he ended and then you come around and say we're going to give him more power like my understanding. This is basically been one dude who has managed to elbow out everybody who oppose them into looked looked at a power vacuum with the ownership situation where the owner is gone. And everything else and now the dude in charge is the dude who needs somebody to be charging him more than anybody else. Because look they're gonNA have to pay deshaun Watson forty million dollars years their quarterback. You're going to have to figure out a way to resign. Laremy Tunsil after I gave up all draft capital for them. And they're gonNA have to figure out a way to put a team around all of those big expenditures. That's something that requires a really good general manager. They just got a general manager. Wayne even really good coach. This loss of Dante Scar. Nekia is just as big as the loss of Rob Gronkowski. Last season said Dan Orlovsky on get up this morning about the Patriots Patriots Offensive Line coach retiring Nekia worked for the Patriots for thirty four of past thirty six seasons. So Bo is a big deal. Oh huge I wish I man Damien Woody. It was here instead of living a good life in Miami. You can tell you what a big deal. It is their offensive line. Billy has been pretty damn consistently good throughout this whole run. That's injuries guys defecting. This would make a draft picks. That didn't necessarily work and the reason for that is Dante scarred Nikki the way that he trains those dudes and gets it ready so we lost our left guard. Well guess what. We're going to switch everything else around rounded you're not gonNA notice the difference my first instinct when I heard that quote though was like Okay Gronk. That's a little bit too much but then you go and Research Dante scar neck and that that is the name. Obviously that I've heard despite doing about zero interviews over the last thirty four years but when it comes to NFL assistance. No one has been one other guy believe as long tenure. Where does him? And then it gets to the teaching of offensive line play which is kind of black box to all sorts of people who don't practice the art but in terms of why they've been so good so consistently it. It has to be back. I also watched them win the super bowl in Zebra ground got her right. Also then eight twenty four. Those are the two numbers Koby Bryant Warrant as NBA career career now many players who wear either number deciding whether to choose another or to keep it both decisions meant to honor Kobe. Bobble you have a problem with a player either keeping or ditching. The numbers numbers Kobe War. No I don't at all and this kind of falls into the realm of like Tattoo preferences for me because how you honor those that you respect and love like cool. Aw I don't know how I would do it. But the fact that people are doing it and seemingly contradictory ways I have no issue at all I would say is when it comes to a league wide policy. Let's see if you talk about changing the logo or banning numbers across the board. Then we might have some complications. Do as you want to do on this when and if the League decided that they wanted to retire twenty four for Kobe Bryant. I would think that maybe that's going a little too far. But if that's the play they wanted to that's fine but I don't think I'm not going to be the person to come out here and say whoever it is. How dare you wear this number? No whatever reason generally speaking that you want to wear a number you go ahead and do that. It's League's top. Who Wore number twenty three? You're like talk. Who in the world the war these cats into very leaser making it clear that they're trying to show some level of honor and I don't think that anyone involved would take any level of disrespect with somebody did or didn't wear one of those doc number fourteen and not because that's what Zion had last night in a win over the cavs? After the game he talked about how the team is loading him up with analytics. Here's the quote a lot to take in. Sometimes he told the athletic a few like people. Forget that I'm nineteen. They come give me all the statistics. And I'm like I just WanNa hoop to be honest and quote. What do you make of that? Oh man if you wanted to be treated like you were nineteen year old. The wrong team should stay. Do Right now you and this is how it goes goes like. They got to figure out the best way to get information to you but once you decide you're going to be a professional you lose the right to say. Hey Man I'm just nineteen these ain't nineteen year olds. Let's welcome to the Big Leagues Buddy. I agree with you on that front. It's just funny that Sloan every single year the conversation inevitably the biggest one around basketball analytics is how do you get buy. Why in for people who don't naturally want all of these numbers because some players are like that Kevin Durant Higher Justin mellow a personal like analytics driven trainer because he wanted all all of the information? Paul George on interviewed him told me he got that same guy. Because Katie did it. I don't know of. Zion is GonNa want that in the future but the point is if you have the numbers maybe maybe consider figuring out why in fact they wanna give them to you or if you're the person that's supposed to figure out how to teach them like I don't think it's on Zion to figure that part out as much as you you make this digestible and maybe it'll work. Yes stop talking like a door. Remember you're talking to people. How questionable coming up next h-have your of doors?

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Film Session | He Got Game

The Free Agents

1:05:13 hr | 8 months ago

Film Session | He Got Game

"Today's episode of no Dunks has brought to you by remarkably remote a new daily microcosm from gotomeeting all about making work from home. Where for you with indispensable Intel on how to stay sane motivated and productive at home. We're here to help you in this brave new remote working world. Add to your flash briefing on Alexa. Subscribe on your favorite podcasting APP. Good morning sweet world and welcome to the no dunks podcast on the athletic network. It's Friday may twenty second. This is film session and today were breaking down. Nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety eight spike Lee joint. He got game. I'm Jay skeets alongside me. Thanks to the power of technology tasks Mus. Yes everybody he tassie. We got the beard. One Trey Kerby. Hey the man making the magic happen. Gdp hello there is and finally roll-call we have a surprise fifth man here. Today are very special. Guest is co host of the athletics here. The deer bucks podcast. He's CO founder of Count. The dings that NBA Wu Tang collective. You guys all know and love. He's a teacher so everybody sit up straight in his real name Trayvon Edwards. Who you likely know him as Black. Trae. What's up man? What's going on guys? Are you doing appreciate you joining us here this morning and talk a little? He got game. But before we lace up our Jordan thirteen's a little housekeeping guys. Email us your questions and comments to know dunks at the athletic dot com for next week's beach step in podcast always oblast. Speaking of podcast. If you haven't already make sure you check out the two classics. We dropped on Thursday. We had an awesome time talking to USC Journalists Aerial Halawani. And then later in the day we caught up with our good friend. Kelly Dwyer to discuss game six the movie and the last dance and he played a sweet. Little Guitar. Licks which was very fun. Follows on social media guys both twitter and Instagram at no dunk. Zinc Lee had a huge guest on pop impacts yesterday. We we had to give lead the day off because he went forty nine minutes on pop impacts with rockets. Gm Daryl Morey I Shit you not. He had him on for forty nine minutes on instagram. Live yesterday opening up an old pack basketball cards and and talking about everything so lease exhausted. You had to get black train here today. And you guys know. We're on facebook at FACEBOOK DOT com slash. No dunks Inc. I guess it's official. We're now on facebook okay into the movie here in film session again. Nine hundred ninety eight. He got game written and directed by Spike Lee Stars of course Denzel Washington and Ray Allen The IMDB synopsis. A basketball players. Father must try to convince them to go to college so he can get a shorter sentence. Black trade earlier this week. I tweeted that he got game. Was GOING TO BE THIS. Friday's movie and you re tweeted it with tag me in for this one so that can only mean one or two things one. You really love this movie and are excited to talk about it or be. Maybe you dislike this movie and it's one of those movies that's fun to clown. So which one is it Black Trae? I think I'm in the middle. The time when he rolled out I was like obviously spike Lee. Everything Denzel everything and I also like that ninety seven class but as I watch it. Watch it in twenty twenty it's kind of laughable but again I tried to try to keep that ninety eight I and you know it didn't hit the same as it would have as what in particular didn't hit the same. If if you had to pick rail ray. Our admiral was really bad He's stuck out really that in twenty twenty. Yeah that's funny. You say that I remember people writing at the time like you know something along the lines of reality just delivered the best performance ever put on film by a pro athlete and I. You know watching this again. I'm with you. I think he holds zone at times. Especially sort of and scenes with Denzel. Maybe that's because Denzel Washington's carrying them in those scenes and then other times it's really rough and like look you're asking a guy that's a professional basketball player to act in a movie here that's not easy and have a lot of lines into and to get that across on film there. Were there were moments where you're like. Oh this is this is bad white tree. I guess I'll call you white trae for this. What do you think of Ray Allen's acting performance? Yeah you're exactly right skates. It wasn't just people saying that rail and put in a great performance. Was Roger Ebert saying that rail and put it in a performance here so I think the reputation for the past twenty. Two years is that rate kills. It and there are some scenes where he does but there are some scenes where it looks like the Guy. Learn how to act in eight weeks and then had to carry almost every scene. And that's the crazy thing to me. Is that for a guy who had never acted before? There are so many scenes almost solo scenes right. There are obviously a lot of crossover scenes with Denzel but there are so many scenes. I feel like that Ray is the protagonist in every scene by himself and that is a lot of pressure for a guy who learned how to act in two months. It's not like you would teach somebody to play basketball for two months and they'd be like all right now you've got to be the starting. Shooting Guard for the Utah Jazz. You know doesn't really work the other way. So there's a certainly a learning curve to it and I think ray is good in some of the scenes and then some of them. You're just like all you're doing is player on your nostrils man. Yeah I mean spike. The story GOES SPIKE ORIGINALLY WANTED. Kobe right to play the part of the shuttle's worth and Kobe like the script. He was excited to work with Spike Lee. As you would but he just finished his rookie year there and had a bad playoff loss to put it kindly to the jazz. When he's on the Lakers had all those airballs and so he I think at that moment was GonNa get back into the gym. I got to be better for the the long grueling. Nba Season so he passed on it. And then and then spike went with Ray Allen Black trae. It would be weird to see this. It'd be fascinating. I guess trying to picture Kobe in this role is almost more difficult than than breaking down. Ray Allen in it I think I think he would have been to over sophisticated. Try too hard And I liked that. I liked the rawness a railing. So again I I won't bash him too much. I could said yet. Eight weeks to to really Kinda get it together and then also even still a little bit of Stefan Marberry Life Kind of hard to cast him as well. So in a scenario they did mentioning. You know During the big time speech But outside of that like again you get what you get ninety eight. You can't is. Kinda like heavily star studied in there. Because it's a lot of people in there now But I definitely would've liked more scenes from actually the professional actors in kind of carry rail and movie versus a heavy robe. Right right skeets. You had them in your top five basketball actors. If I'm not mistaken are you're starting five right the but not to do with acting to that. Yeah my fictional basketball movie ballers yeah. He's in there so nothing to do with actors. If you regretted that decision definitely nothing to do with acting I. There are still not that many professional actors or professional athletes. Who are better actors than Ray Allen? I mean it took until basically uncut gems or maybe you would argue. Train Wreck Lebron for somebody to put in a decent enough performance that it doesn't just seem like a professional athlete being an actor. Yeah and like you said. Tk It's like he's to do a lot. I mean he really is asked to carry a lot of scenes and he doesn't decent job. You know you roll your eyes a couple of times. Okay maybe could have gotten a little bit more from your there ray but Yeah you're right it wasn't bad. Jd that you've never watched this movie right first time watching game time. So what did you think so? As far as Ray Allen goes as an actor. I thought he was fine. I mean having met Ray Allen and I think we've interviewed him. Just the ones is that right when we an all star weekend. Yeah he liked. He was talking about his jim his dream of opening a gym track post Career so I'm sure that's going to happen soon wasn't an WHO's an actual a workout gym exactly. But he he sort of didn't we had asked him a couple of questions leading up to that he gave the most sincere answer. We've ever gotten with our jokey questions like he was really dug into it thought about it and laid. It laid out his plans for after the after he was retired and he just seemed to. I thought that he didn't get it. He didn't get that we were doing a bit and I thought wow I don't I don't see how this guy can act how he can carry a movie. And and how old was he when he was shot this too? I mean he's just a kid and having never acted before acting for Spike Lee. What an intimidating to situation be and I thought he did a pretty good job. You know you watch these movies and you sort of suspend your disbelief ago. Okay it's ray out you know like it's he's about he's not an actor so let's give him a pass you know so that was fine with it. What is your favorite scene in this movie tasks diso wants to go to while I was just thinking others. There's a few I was just thinking about. When ray wasn't really extended into an acting role and he could just sort of be his dweeby south when the article gets pulled out of the stock of one of the players and then we get the intros dissolves into the team intros and raise raise. I love that scene embrace just sort of his. You know kind of straight shooter self. But that's that's who he is and that's and that's I think what. Jd's talking about when he just he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to act. And and you know up against Walter McCarty and Travis best who I had thought about four billion years it was it was cool and I thought that was a great technique by Spike Lee. The guys talking trash after win. Newspaper article comes out and dissolves into the team intros. That was wicked John Wallace on the team to John. That's one of my favorite scenes and this whole movie. It's just shot so cool and you're right. It's like fun. It looks awesome even like back ninety eight. It was so cool. I think it's still hold up. That seed now is the Lincoln splitters black trade. You have a favorite scene. Is that one. There's other ones out there. Man is so many again this is when I was actually playing a basketball so like trying to imitate everything like I wanted this to be. My Life I think now at thirty five the big time speech because he was really just kind of breaking down and I think players could still learn that from that movie But from thirteen years old trae it would probably be when he's like doing his little sizzle reel and he's like basketball has like poetry and emotion. You cross the cross right. Hit the join printer. Face Swish in the crowd goes wild like that gives me chills because like it just takes me back until like plan days in like one and a half that moment of having a ball on being a man that you also but you like now you said The big time. What's his name big time? Willie right that through is amazing. Sorta hated but also. Yeah the bore. You kept talking like Whoa. He's breaking this down. He's telling you everything everything in this car right. Yeah very authentic. So I think that was like the hidden undertone by Strana. Give off and it's like it is constant every day because you know Young athletes get drafted. They washed their family change. You know what I mean in in. It's interesting because you know a a your favorite cousin who you probably. She ate hot dogs. We when you're five now thinks you need to give them a ten thousand dollar business loan for or you're you're great niece the payer rant ten minutes before tip off like these. Are these players have to deal with constantly? And he's like calling them bloodsuckers in you know like it's just tons of temptations in. How can you maintain a professional career and do it clean without the without the extra stress? Yeah will yeah. He's like he's warning them of everything. The drugs the sex and like you said the the leeches which are basically like the people. Maybe you would least expect. It's your family. He also gave off his own little. Like yeah nobody on the streets would be messing with you because I told him. Don't mess with Jay man. I thought that was hilarious. Because it's like everybody wants to say gates something to with four him like like. Hey I don't want nothing but I really do want something big time. Willies big time. Tommy before big time thank go wrong. Jesus it's big time Willie Trae trae what'd you do? You have a favorite scene in this movie. I mean I'm with you guys when they are announcing the starting lineup for the rail splitter. I think it's great. I don't remember exactly who it is. Who says I feel handsome when I'm on the court and the exact way? Yeah I guess. He's about mid card on the handsome level of the starting five. But I also love Lincoln Lincoln roll-call classic moment who didn't do that on the bus during high school basketball. That was a must but my favorite scene as a fourteen year old as thirty six year old is the visit to tech. You Rick Fox is there with the backwards KANGOL TUCKED IN SHIRT. And honestly you know twenty years later. I'm still wondering how Jesus ends up at big state. I can't believe Chick-fil-a on campus at tech in the nineties honestly ridiculed in that scene. It was so good. I think I've seen some some Rick Fox acting performances but I think that's the best one. Maybe he was acting a lot like himself but he killed Jaydee. I don't want to jump right to the but I'm going to jump right to the end because this is a big part of this movie that I think a lot of people do have problems with It's the ending and it's this. It's a little strange I remember reading it when I was a kid. I remember loathing. The ending of he got game And so I was coming at this. I was trying to look at this differently this time as an older man and like what was I missing. What's the symbolism here and what I'm talking about of course is really it's Jake. He's he's imprisoned. He's back in prison. Throws the ball over the prison wall. After you know you think you might get shot. He's stepping out of bounds there and all that and then this ball magically ends in big State University where ray goes and grabs it again. This is a polarizing ending to a movie. Like what is the saying here? Am I missing? Something is too cheesy as it. Just right will start with you. Jd and definitely get everybody's opinion on this. What do you think the ending is it cheesy a s? I think it is was it in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I don't know I didn't watch it but forty nine year old. Jd thought it was good. I mean it this is. This is the connection that father has to son. Right. I'm this is sort of the the redemption that we were looking for Jake and Jesus is relationship right and they mended their fences through the game of basketball. And I think that's that was the connection that was made in that final climactic one on one scene. Jake didn't get what he wanted but but did he. I mean because he. He reconnected with his son and he was able to give him that. Final piece of fatherly advice and be an actual father to him after being absent for so long and and after pushing him for so hard and really pushing him away the night that his he the jake murders Jesus is. Mother is the night that Jesus quits basketball right HE QUITS. He he he. He pushes him so hard that he decides that he's I'm quitting the game. He does the unthinkable by throwing the ball over the fence and And I think there's a connection to that scene with Jake throwing it over the prison wall but but his son catches it and is it. Is it a little bit grade? Ten Films School Maybe Spike Lee makes me feel like I'm watching student films a lot of times like going. Wow He's really he's really a sledgehammer to me right now or I don't understand what he's doing with this at all. You know what I mean like the. There's there's never an inbetween for me. But I liked the ending as a father I found. I found the story between Jesus and Jake the most compelling part of the movie as it should be and and you know I was happy I was obviously not happy that he stuck in prison and but I am happy that they that they came to a relationship with Jesus sitting there reading a letter from his father while all this is happening and he had never opened any letters from him at all and he had been sent hundreds. So it's it's it's like a closure. I guess I liked it black TRAE. What do you think yeah I have to piggyback off that It definitely had some. You know back then. I was like this is corny. Wait understand like again. I'm not I'm not a father but I do understand how important to connection nothing. Jake was at peace after tossing the ball. Like look if I gotta sit down for the rest of my life. At least my son knows how I really feel about him in the fact that he got to hear you know that that letter be read it was like finally like. I just wanted him to forgive me. You're not because he was like you know son. He's trying to teach trying to teach him a lesson like about like yes. I made a mistake in our hope that you've you find in your heart to forgive me. He's like I'm never forgiven you into movie. And it seems that towards the end in a movie he does forgiving and Jake can just kinda not rotten risen but it just kinda like he has a piece of mind kind of moving on because that was kind of like the Internal Clark killing him right and yeah it just it. It's it's a deep message. You know what I mean especially like house by portrayed it you know what I mean like Jake was in his life. It wasn't like he was absentee. Father like this situation happen. Gave his mom like a hard show. She hit her head on the stove. Like handle definitely an accident but like and it wasn't even like a domestic violence situation making just Kinda like Oh Dang because they put me in a situation always kind of constantly played at in my head to like you can be play fighting with anyone. An accident happen. I was like I knew anything that was like a real situation. Like this could actually happen. So you know Definitely tons of life lessons tall in. Yeah I thought it was cool. I I did think it was like how is impossible for Jesus to catch it in arena. The part I almost wish spike stopped on the throwing of the ball. Oddly and then maybe just show US J. Jesus in the gym but this you know the ball literally falling out of the rafters is like the part where. You're just like really. Do we need that? I think we were going to get to that. Oh Yeah I was causing it and searching as closely as I could in the concourses was. There's somebody out there. They both knew that this was happening at the same time. But you know I think it really ties up the movie with a Nice Little Bo. We've got maybe ten minutes earlier. Jacobs telling Jesus I'm teaching you get that anger out of your heart. And he is teaching in that. But he's also teaching himself that they're both bonding together. Jake is at peace with his situation. Despite the fact that it didn't turn out how he wanted. Jesus I think the same way and I think there's a little symbolic there as well with Jesus where the Jordan thirteenth as he's naming the court for big state. Yeah I had noticed that Nice Little Nice little addition there for sure. I love that you guys brought it up to the final one on one scene between Jesus and Jake playing for the you know. The letter of intent is so damn good. It's so good. I'm sure you guys know but maybe some of the listeners note the original script called for Jesus to win that thing fifteen. Oh so for him to kick his dad's ass and that didn't happen. Because Spike encouraged the actors Denzel and Allen to like just play play real so this will hopefully come across a little bit better on the film and Dental started getting buckets and he is throwing up some prayers. He actually drives on the one time which is pretty impressive but he banks home a couple that are just there and I think like you know. The crew onset is starting to laugh. I think Denzel takes a lead in this game. And everyone's like Whoa. Whoa WHOA and then of course rail turns it on a little bit and you get You know him kicking his ass but I love I love. How shot the music. I know we'll get into that is incredible and was really had totally forgotten about when I was a kid watching. This final scene is is fantastic tasks. I assume you're a fan of that one on one basketball season I was. I think that was a great decision by Spike Lee. To essentially just use that basketball scene and then the sexy montage stuff that black trae mentioned earlier about the a you type stuff like he just left going right basically you either just got a one on one move or you got this one on one game in this movie. There wasn't a lot of basketball scene. There wasn't a high school basketball scene. Where you kind of just fell asleep like this guy is GonNa pass it over here. You know it was. It was a good to just have very very limited basketball and so I was totally into the scene. The drive that Denzel scored on Jesus as Jesus drowned. Obviously just let him score. He scored with his left hand on the right side of the WHO and it was like a scoop shot like he could have blocked with his forehead if he really wanted to decided to. Just let them score but yeah it was powerful. I think what I didn't like about that scene going into the ending was denzel gets coughed up and is being brought away. Any says to him. Hey the ball's in your court now type type thing basically. That's that's what he said it. If it wasn't literal something to that effect and then the ball gets tossed to him in the final scene. I'm a man who loves stuff on the nose but even that is a little too on the nose for me. I mean that's just but that seen yet extremely powerful and I I hadn't seen in so long I had forgotten both the one on one scene and I think it trump's the love and basketball one on one seat in the end it was a little bit more impactful than than Monica and Omar. Epps going at it. Yeah it is. It's I think it's one of the best one one scenes we've seen on film for sure because it feels it does feel real. It's being shot on this huge crane. There talking trash blackberry. What do you think de Ngel Denzel? Washington's jump shot. I mean let's break this down. What do you think of his release? I didn't love his form but at least I'm not a shot doctor. I'm not I'm big on lungs. It goes in. I don't even think my shot is even like the most purest jump shot in three hours and maybe been macklemore have like a amd Bradley. Bill has a beautiful form in his narrow. Like I don't know but he went in. It was really seen like. I think about the YMCA. When I think when I see his jumper the older guys the shooting I over there is whole style like even me watching our live. Tweeden last night. I'm just like the fashion was just kinda crazy life for Dinsdale to wear to shirts. Michael referred under like is at the edge the sweat like I don't. I don't know what was going on like the double knee braces. Maybe got bad knees or whatever but it was just interesting. Look than Jesus actually war overall short set off a look battling was right and actually attempted that in over on that was like oversize with the Asia and under and some timberland boots. And I'm just like I. I mean I'm I'm from Compton California so I looked nuts doing it maybe maybe was the thing in New York City. I don't know The those gene overall those were so they were cut low on Ray there. I remember my Buddy Griffin. Trying to rock the overalls strafford Ontario for summer. But I don't remember it'd be on that low the one off right like the one on untied on one on clip to look but yeah those are thought rays were kind of more fitted than you'd ever see overall like they weren't that baggy and that's hard to do for Ray Allen whose rail thin maybe the war draft person screwed up or something. You know what I thought. He looked pretty good. I thought he kind of pulled off that overall. Look I don't know let. Let's talk about the music jd. I'm really interested to hear your take on this with your expertise in sound production and all that were you shocked. Surprised with American composer Aaron Copland. I was surprised. Yeah considering he had been dead for eight years. The movie came out but Yeah I thought I want first beuing. I always just sit blind and I watch not knowing anything and then I was like wow. Is that hoedown during a basketball montage. I mean is this Aaron Copeland really I mean like so I went back and I and I looked. I looked it up and and I had A. I had a lot a lot of problems with the music and some of the scenes. I thought that there were scenes. That had that sort of pastoral Americana under it like when Jesus is talking to marry in her bedroom and there's music wiser music there or when Dakota and Jake meet for the first time in her room. And there's just this nonstop it's almost like a drone and it's too much but I thought hoedown worked great. I thought the opening montage of the people playing basketball across America with the most American sounding music of all time at think that that piece is called What is it I wrote it down John Henry And you know. I dug a little deeper and John Henry african-american railway worker folk hero who literally goes up against a machine. A literal machine Digging holes or he would pound a stake into the into the Rock and and there was a steam engine that did the same thing and and basically had a contest that he went up against any beat the machine but then he died. The at the the effort of beating that machine ends up killing him. Is that relevant to the story? I mean you can definitely glean some meaning out of it. I mean Jesus is going up against the NC double a machine and he beats it in the end. I guess will kill him. Well probably not but think spike said basically when I think of of Aaron Copeland I think of America and that's what this story is about America and American masked ball and The position of that sort of you know cowboy. Danson hoedown music with the with the inner city Basketball being played. I thought it was great either. Worked AWESOME AND AT THE END. The as you said Pointed out skeets the final one on one. The music was so guests over that I it was just just. I don't know if they while they obviously edited that way. I don't know if they planned it that way but but just it's like riding the roller coaster of Jake's emotion that whole time and I love that part of it and then of course get the public enemy songs and I think there's a cares one song in the in this movie as well trae. What'd you think of the musical overall respected legends curious? One is like me hearing at our. No you know public enemy our respect. All those legends is beyond me because I think at that time I was probably like Jay Z demands. So it's Kinda hard to go up against the a different style but also do understand like those spice guy is so he's to plug them for and he's kind of. He's kind of loyal to his core. So I get it I mean I don't I don't really kinda fired up on that. I mean I think the the only association to this movie that I really got from like hip hop may be Joel since Anna Join West the game missing and it has the Anna at any goes into the beat and I was just like Oh. That's he got game but anything else associated with the you know but I couldn't watch that video actually. I tried to watch last night to like the public. We're has where palm in a ball and a video and stuff like I started. This movie. Like you send. Jd that first scene where we see all walks of life in America playing basketball and we have that crazy. It is that John Henry a competition from Aaron Copeland. So that's on Nora's in the other room so fired up this movie. And she's like what old tiny horror flick are you want because it is haunting? Sounds old. It's It's weird this jarring but it does work. I really liked the old music in this movie to be honest watching it as an older guy. I thought it was pretty cool. Task Trae opinions on the music hated. It liked it. Some of the some of the choices were odd Tread saying you would expect to hear Jay Z. And in a in a basketball movie in one thousand nine hundred eighty no doubt about it but I also thought it was so effective. I think like you guys are the opening credits. You Watch that the music is perfect and you WanNa go play basketball afterwards. The last one on one scene is perfect and I even think the middle one on one scene where we ultimately see jake killed. Jesus mother I think the music is so great in that too because they're just playing basketball you know they're having an intense one on one game and then the music and Denzel changed just like a tiny little bit right just like five percent different and suddenly. Denzel is very scary. I think that that that the way he was acting and music with it. I thought it was perfect. You went from a dad and a son having fun playing basketball to the worst night of both of these guys lives just like that. I thought that was awesome. It does a great job telegraphing. What's about to happen? It's just filled with dread and we haven't even gone back to the apartment yet. You know what I mean. We know Jesus has his his breakdown and I wish that they had shown Jake was really scary that night. I think that they were trying to say that he was drunk and I wish he seemed a little drunker than he was. And the I feel like a pardon. The Pun pulled the punch a little bit When the murder scene happens because it just comes off as just a a horrific accident. There's no intent to kill right shows just like there was. There's another scene later in the movie that I thought would have been a little better beforehand. Where Jake Confronts La and then he ends up beating the shit out of De'andre and he is terrifying in that state? It's so powerful and I wish. We had seen that Jake before we saw the the mother getting murdered seem only because it could. It could still play out the way a plate out but we know that there is definitely a temper on jake and a violent side. Jake and he's he can be a really scary guy and I don't think that we really saw that until The De'andre getting beaten up saying right. So then you're left going. I mean you get it. You're like Damn T- did accidentally kill your mom but you're like Jesus come on like is he. That bad guy is hard on you and I'm with you. I did Straw without watching this again. I was like wow like from all we're seeing. You hate a man. You hate this much. Really like he does seem like he's he's he's a hard ass. I get that but it seems like a loving father and you've got your family there and they seem in love. You like what we're what we're getting. Yeah I duNno black traded. You also feel that way or not not really but also gone for the majority of his all his teenage years too so that whole absence and stuff like that is just. It's a gap to gap. I mean I I don't know I mean you got bubba to who who hasn't been mentioned. Who reminds me of a current father in the NBA? Yeah don't let listeners figure that one out but yeah he just I don't know so just because he's not there. I mean because of an accident again and unfortunately the timing of that night where he's hates his father and he's done with basketball and then the death of his mother again an accident this this works well enough that there would be this very very distant and untrusting relationship. I guess is what you're saying is what you're at least getting from the movie. Yeah I mean 'cause 'cause when you're young the narrative has pushed wrong you know you never know. Obviously his uncle stepped. And before you know probably a you or boosters came in and said here Jesus you know we're just helping you and normally in in certain communities. They're like yeah. I'll take all the help. I can get a west to catch. And there was catch until he actually found out. Uncle was driving his new car and all well because he doesn't Bubba does ask Jesus to I want to wet my beak like you'd literally says to him. I want you to pay me for all everything that I've done so far before the car happens right. I mean yeah so I think day you know Bubba and his wife pushed narrative that you know jake is a bad man from bats and you should look at him as you know this this evil person so when you know obviously the daughter has a different sentiment towards Jake because you know he didn't she was to either too young to kind of think that through or you know she just has a undying love for him but you know what Jesus is like man. I've I've I've been without you. I don't need you. I've been kind of. I am taking care of my sister. We've got a place to live your making sure that she's good. She's going to be good because obviously Probably GonNa make today and things of that nature So yeah like. Don't try to come around. Obviously his situation he's dealing with tons of trust issues too as well guy has girlfriend sneaking our de'andre who's a family friend you got dom PAG naughty Got To high school coach. I think the only solid purse was bigger. Yeah yeah that's right. Yeah it across the. I don't have a pro. I don't have a problem with anything you just said. But as an audience member you meet Denzel in prison. He's he's Denzel Washington. He's a super charismatic guy. He seems like a good guy and we're not seeing this bad side of him. This potentially dangerous side of him until after we see the murder scene and the Mur as you know. The Aunt. Sally and Uncle Bubba share they. They weren't there they're all they know is that that. Jake killed there. Her sister in his sister-in-law But I felt like we needed to see Denzel. Jake be scary earlier. You know what I mean. That's that's the only criticism I have in that department but be honest. Gd In watching for the first time. Did you think that Jake had shot? Somebody? Let's say when we find out that he's imprisoned because he killed somebody we don't know who he killed right or how it. I didn't know I thought I thought it was serious. For sure would whatever he did and then they just sort of mentioned it. I thought the way that it unfolded y. The way we find out what happened is pretty is pretty good actually because it just comes up casually in conversation almost as just like well. Yeah you know I killed your mother you know and it's just like what why you know and and the way we of course find out the circumstances behind it and it sort of not. It's A. It's an accident but But still he is responsible. He did push her But yeah it's it did seem like a like it was a more serious charge than than than we thought so test. Besides Denzel Zeke. Who is he's incredible in this? Who's your favorite character in? This movie from the secondary tertiary characters is a big time. Willie is it uncle bubba somebody else. Yeah I loved Uncle Bubba. I thought he was He was gray definitely looked a lot. Like Eddie Murphy and What the Hell's. The movie called is not where he played. Every single character nutty professor. He looked like any he. There was an Eddie Murphy vibe. Maybe it's the glasses but he was. He was incredible. I thought he he he was. He was forceful and he was. He was he was asking for what he wanted. And he was pretty pumped about that. Lexus and I wasn't a fan of some of those spike Lee shots. We got some crazy shots of tight. Uncle Bubbas mouth and he was talking. Like what are you doing with? Let's get off that mouth. We had a double head like there was a poetry reading happening. There was spinning camera when Denzel was sick and But yeah uncle Bubba I think a Lotta great characters even Gaudy the the Italian agent. I guess he was in his Little tendencies I was gold. Forget about silver. Forget about platinum diamonds. That's like speed and power in the NBA. You can tell this guy knows basketball. Was that guy an actor. Was that guy a real agent. What Nora was convinced? He's like there's no way that guy's an actor he's a real agent that they said. Hey just say. Jd things here. I don't know what about you. Black trade you have like a secondary character in this movie. That really liked SIP. Rogers yeah the Seabra Projects Man I just I was. I was all about SIP. Rogers me and I can't wait. I if if there was a sequel. I would love to know what's Rogers happened. What happened with hip? Rogers I wanted to know I wanted him to make he was next up and to answer your question. Don is a fictional character. He also was used an NBA two K. That's same active. A there's tons of agents like that you know what I mean. Probably Lenny Cook. But what about you? Jd character sector he liked. Wow I kinda hate it. All the the the secondary characters that I liked Rick Fox playing Rick Fox I guess I liked Delilah. I mean she's good A little one dimensional. I think all the women in this movie are pretty one dimensional A lot of the secondary carrier characters are just sort of a get central casting on the phone. We Need A. We need a sports agent Ono sports agents. Okay semi a used car salesman. You know what I mean like But Yeah I guess if if if Jake is the main character then Jesus is my favorite other character because again I really loved the the relationship between the two of them. My favorite scene of the whole thing is when when Jacobs telling Jesus where the name? Jesus came from from What's WHO Earl Earl. The Pearl Right. I just I love that reveal and then I love that the very next scene is tech you and they put up all the the religious imagery in this Israel. And it's just like it's not that Jesus guys it's an just. It's it's a very powerful way to cheapen all of that. You know to make that whole pitch. Jesus feel Super cheap and superficial you know and So yeah that's what I liked white trae. What about you for a secondary character who I would like? I would agree with Jd. You know who really is the lead in this movie is at Denzel or is it Ray. Because it's a real tossup between those I also thought Jim Brown was pretty good. He's a great speaking athletes. And Yeah that was pretty cool to see him in that role. I love the scene where him and the other the other parole officer come to visit Jake in his his hotel unease at making grill. Jesus with an ironing board and an iron and I just thought that was great. I think four if you're talking about professional act athletes who actors Jim Brown. He kills it and he's effective every single time. Yeah I WANNA TO SPIN OFF. Movie of just him and crude up. I would watch the hell out of that. I love those two guys together. I love them in every season. They're so good all right. Let's get to some random observations. I gotTA I. It's very important question. I'll start with you black TRAE. What's worse to shoot on double rims or a net with no Mesh? We see both of them in this movie. Can I say yes John Room for me I? I've always grew up. Had No like no net is just Kinda just here's away and no one's replaces him. But W I man I did everything possibly do for this shot to go in. And somehow it's rattles. You believed that Steph. Curry in his in his brother grew up shooting on that. And that's how they got good shooting. It really helps with your arc. No doubt shooting on a double rim. You GotTa get that thing. Perfect for it to drop okay. I want someone to clarify something for me. Maybe I missed. It might be an idiot. Why did jake get sick in the car? If I thought he was I thought he was faking it. Getting sick I miss something or was like did he actually get sick because he just eat prison food. Like I guess that makes say gave him something along. The Ward says something like It's not a I. Don't trust your acting ability but we have to make seeing focused on me that that makes a little more sense. No but it's it is confusing and it's like the it's it's so quick cut and We see him in the in the in the dining area. Just wolf down this food and then you know all of a sudden it just. There's a lot happening all at once. I didn't notice and I had the same question and then I went back and watch it again. Wow He's really committed to this bit legit making himself Puke in the car. I think you're good. You're out of jail man but okay. That makes a little more sense. Can we talk about the fought in? He got game those credits. I know it's the late ninety S. Maybe that was cool. That thought that might be my least favorite thing about this movie. Aided maybe on the loan I don't know why I'm going. Back looking at the font. It's brutal on my favorite. But you know I guess they were trying to go for something a little more hand-drawn I don't know it looks. It looks weird though another one a scene I did not remember watching this as a kid and I. It is powerful. It's emotional but it is a little weird. The scene where Jake is making with his dead wife's Tombstone Adia. Wow I in for about that scene. You'll see that often but again it's it's supposed to be of course he's missing her and stuff like that and drop the flowers and stuff like that but he like legit like makes with the tombstone of their. We'll get that cool crane shot the other thing I have. Maybe you guys have random observations. Did you see spike trolling the Bulls with the newspaper headline near the end of the movie? Where it says Jordan held to ten points and I assume it's against the Knicks. And you know I had hit basketball reference to check. Mj only score ten points or less. Well I'll make it a trivia question. How many times did he did score? Ten points or less as a bulls player not is wizards. Here's what would you guess fifteen backtrack and he guesses nine tasks gotta go low just because just because it's Michael Six. Keep going lower guys. Mj only score ten points or less as a Chicago Bulls player twice twice in his career. And he did it. I think he did it. Eighteen Times a wizards player. Unfortunately but we don't. We know that doesn't didn't happen. So yeah never against the Knicks score ten against the Hawks in March and ninety seven and he scored just eight against the cavs in eighty. Six only sixteen minutes played. He got injured in that one But anyway yeah that was that was spike. I think troll in there any other random observations or questions or anything else. You guys want to bring up about this movie. It's awesome when Jake goes to buy a pair of Jordan's and he's amazed that they're a hundred and fifty dollars like his mind is blown that they could cost this much. That same pair of shoes. It's one hundred ninety now. Jake you're going to have to ask the officers for a little bit more. Danielle was actually watching that scene. She said one hundred forty bucks at that time was a lot now. Actually there's a lot but a couple of years later everybody was popping off two hundred dollar shoes Vince. Carter's two hundred bucks. Hundred forty was actually not crazy. I love to be able to get them for one hundred and forty now. There's no jobs in this movie. Unfortunately we do of course get a booger. Thanks for the question. Would you rather be named Booger or Jesus? Yeah I had that in my notes to Jesus worrying about his perceived Biblical name in his damn cousin is called. Boettger got pretty easy man to be fair. Jesus his given name bigger true. Uncle Bubba did not name his burger. I hope maybe maybe yeah. That's good point. That's a good point off. Jesus I'd rather be named Jesus for sure booger I mean. It doesn't doesn't young Jesus Point. Let's because you eat all your boogers. That's exactly right. We've also had a great run for nine hundred ninety eight sportscenter. He got game obviously has the fake nineteen ninety eight sportscenter but the last dance has a fake nineteen ninety eight sportscenter and a real nine thousand nine hundred eight sportscenter thought. It was very funny to see. George Carlin that montage people talking about Jesus because George Karl? Actually did get coaching later. Ray Right. I'd forgotten about that. Yeah what did you think that the little ESPN piece? They'RE BLACK TRAE. Where we get all the college coaches we get some NBA guys. What in there and I think Miller's in there and maybe Jordan Mj's what of that. I thought it was cool. I mean it showed some transparency like this kinda like it's Kinda real and then also you know we actually got a taste of it in real life with the nickname. The nickname era. When the Jesus Shuttles were Miami Heat Jerseys right excite so that was actually cool experience to Kinda like try to translate it into something real. I mean everybody. Kinda hyping up this kid. Because at that time it really was pre internet and would not pre Internet Internet The rankings exposure was just kinda slim to none. You had to actually go and watch these kids so you're ESPN Talkin about a Jesus. Shuttles were probably wanted. A wild is names that time to be doing it. Seeing Coney Island you know is pretty cool. Yeah and then like not only the ESPN piece. But we see like the sports illustrated cover. We see the slam cover Yeah I did like that decision. That really obviously make it as realistic as possible. How insane is that sports illustrated cover if you really think about it? They're putting a high school kid. Seventeen eighteen years old on across with a crown of thorns illustrated three. Yeah for sure for sure anything else. Guys We'll get to grading this movie so don't worry about that yet. But any other random observations or questions or stuff like that. I want to know why Kota is in the movie. Yeah I win. Why is she there I just don't understand it and So I'm just asking The the hooker with a heart of gold. The May as well Turned to the camera and say I don't do drugs. I'm claim right. Well why what's the point of all the okay was? He made a connection with her. I guess and you know. Spent the night with her. And that's nice and stuff but I don't understand why she was. There made the movie way longer. Well yeah the movies long. The movie is long. It was long and there is premature ejaculation as well and could have salad. Won't do that but I'd be like and sorry to like I guess jump in on this one but I did like a Dakota's pimp a him in Jake cavernous tear off. Yeah deadline is one of the. I still say to my friends. Like Dang you you know me partner you looking or merely area Just like this is the greatest thing ever like. They had so many like funny. One liners like where he do when Jesus walked in and he's telling his boy watching them play one on one. That's why he ain't GonNa make it. I'll say that all the time too is funny. Random LINES LIKE I`ll. I'll be watching college basketball. And a player makes a play by he angle make the most powerful is is something. Maybe a little weird I love and I think it's only because Denzel can deliver this for some reason. It gets me every time I watch it. When he just says hello son to for the first time holy crap two words and Denzel Washington can just like Damn just take the wind. Right out Along I don't know why how he says it. It's just so perfectly delivered. I love a bad ass Denzel. So that's what I love. When he does end that scene there the first time he talks to to. Ray Ray walks off pissed off and denzel throws the ball up like fifteen feet ahead of them. Toss it to lob and he walks into it on the second bounce it just hits them right in the head rally just like that. Because he's bad asked ends El. How many takes did that take or was that just like magic right there? One take I know exactly the part. You're talking about like Dale. That was cool is he. Throw it up or does he bounce it for. Is it like an angry bounce? Oh yeah it is an angry betsy right. Yeah Right. Many walks into it. You're right all right before we agreed this movie. A quick word from our sponsors. The Black Tux believes every grew. Every men. Who's getting married on. This planet deserves a better experience when it comes to finding formal. Wear a suit or Tuxedo for their big day. Did you know the Blackhawks was actually started by two guys who had one of the worst? Tuxedo fittings? You could imagine I didn't put now. I do end. You know what I bet. 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And you know maybe that results in sort of a scattershot film for for some people but let's break it down well. We think I'm going to start with tasks we'll get you start us off. How do you want to grade this? What's your scale? What do you think I like the movie a lot? I think of everything we watched here through our film sessions. This one was able to be carried by drama and of course. Denzel plays a huge part and and being able to carry it. But they're such little basketball. There is just the sexy one on one moves in that montage some street ball play and the one on one game at the end no team play whatsoever and I was. I was I was into it because it was the really was the relationship between between Jake and reality character so I was very much into it. Of course there's there's a ton of holes in the plot. There's there's no doubt but when when you look through the archive that we watched in Eddie and a Muslim and teen wolf the way back love and basketball. Airbud coach Carter. White men can't jump. Uncut gems is different category. Because it's not a basketball movie whatsoever. I thought it was the best movie we've watched and I was into it very much So I'LL I'll go. Nice Nice eight out of ten. And let's throw on some some overalls eight out of ten sets of overall for me and Yeah look we'll we'll drop the button off off all those aides who just a single button overall eight a ten right white trae would. I'm right there with task. I loved got game in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight I had. He got gained poster on my wall all through high school. And I'm not ashamed that I had now that I've watched again as a grown man. You know I think I would rather have somebody be an actor. Be Okay of acting in very good at basketball than the other way around like. I think if you try to do this with Michael J. Fox. He can barely play basketball but he's an actor. I think it's a much different movie to me. The best acting of the Jesus rail and does at all is in that final one on one game to not break character when Denzel Washington is unexpectedly scoring on. You actually impressive right like if you were going to go. And you're like beat you fifteen to zero and then he goes out and scores five baskets. And you're actually playing against each other. Ray doesn't break. Denzel doesn't break like Denzel. Not Like Gordon Player. I really did it. I thought that was amazing. So I'm with tasks I'm with the critics. I'm giving this eight. This is the biggest decision of your. Life's out of ten nice all right. Judy. You're going to actually. Yeah I mean I. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would I like anything that makes me think and makes me want to read more about something. I loved the Aaron Copland Music. Half of the time that it was playing I didn't mind the public enemy stuff but I'm an old guy so there you go I did find a lot of the characters one dimensional but but ultimately I liked You know they're spike Lee likes to likes to pontificate and he likes to preach a little and I found Although I did love the the big time speech I did hate all the Cuda ways when he's talking about You know you're going to you. Got To watch out for the crack and we cut to a crack house and then we go and and an opium den and watch for alcohol Or is it gambling you know? And then it's just like the most extreme situation each time and and that just that kind of bugs may takes me out of it but Again I loved you have to love Denzel Washington. He's just he is One of the most electrifying actors on screen and and and I just love watching him and I thought was decent. I thought he he held his own So I'm gonNA give this This is a recommendation It's it's six out of ten. Nathan's hotdogs at good. You liked it. I liked I liked f our guest here today on film session Black Trae. Would you think I'm GonNa go seven point? Five had some some bright spots again rollins. Acting Sore for side is You know the prostitute who what else was need the ending the whole ball costing to catch the guard. You know what I mean where he was working on big state Just just reviewing them things like a lot of stuff wasn't needed you know but overall I mean it's part of my childhood and you know I do like I took some positives from a in a kind of outweigh the negative. So you know if to watch this movie. I definitely tell him to watch it. But it's not it's not in my top top top five movies basketball movies ever Yeah because you do see well. That's interesting because you do see some people say this is the best basketball movie. You disagree with that. Yeah okay. That's fair I'll finish it off here on the same page as you guys. I think this is a powerful movie even if it is uneven. There's no doubt it's damn it's too long. It takes thirty minutes off this thing and I think it's much much better like you guys were saying. I I liked the cinematography. I actually disagree with you. I like when Spike SORTA does that. Someone's talking about doing drugs and we see of a scene about it. I I sort of like how that's edited at times. I'm not saying I don't like the way it's edited. They're cutting sure it's just a sledge over my head. Yeah Okay Spike thing. At times for sure for sure. Yeah absolutely but the style of I'm all in on. Yeah I thought the Great Cinematography is Pretty Cool. Beautiful at times. I love the score as we talked about. I thought it was jarring at times. Been in a good way. It works Denzel. Denzel Ray Allen's good enough. I'm giving it eight out of ten accidentally banked in Denzel Washington numbers because that's those things where prayers dropping but so overall we like it or not the greatest basketball movie of all time but we're high on it. What do you guys think? Let us know on twitter at no dunks INC trae black TRAE. Thank you so much for joining us. Where can people follow you online? What's the easiest way to a Trevan at tr veto in E. ON twitter and at Trevan Edwards on Instagram? And as I said you're on the here's the deer podcast box. Podcast yell daily Dean Athletic. Nice Nice we'll keep up the great. We're big fans really appreciate you coming on. Get your questions and comments guys for beef step in next week. No dunks at the athletic dot. Com Clipper rose. You heard it here. I have a great Tom. Turn-up love you guys awesome. Thanks for joining us. And this is usually when I recite a quote from the movie but black trail. I love the way you recited that pimp and Denzel Line from the Hallway. Do you mind giving it to us again. Brother do you. Do you know me something you staring at me. And My lady like in Gaza for merely air it with people.

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Mason and Ireland HOUR TWO

"Alright ESPN LA. Hey, look who it is the great Rick. Fox's here. Redwood Whitson co FOX jacket on you told us years ago that when you you went into the video game busy. You don't need them. Yeah. Yeah. We're just gonna talk to you God. But you said I remember we looked at you. And we went you're what you're buying a video game. What are you crazy? And you went I think it's going to it's a growth industry, and boy were you, right? Well, I don't know if it confirms me not being crazy. But it has been quite the ride the last three years, and well, these guys Rickard like real athletes now, I met the Lakers gaming team two weeks of Mason, ain't even tell you this. I met these guys. Yeah. And they're like, you know, they they went through a draft with like David Stern reading their names. And and they're they're they're cocky like play. Athlete is it right, right? It's surreal, man. The debate rages on on on their acceptance in among traditional sports as athletes, which is fine. I I kind of removed beyond personally move beyond defending them. I don't think they need to be defendant. When you're. In right and entertainment guard us of what the outside world believes, they believe it. That's all it matters. You know, like I heard you say something interesting the other day, he said somebody asked him. Do you think you guys can beat the warriors enduro Maury said we'll be honest with you. I don't know. But I know this that James harden, and Chris Paul think they can be. And that's all that matters. You know, what's interesting, the weather there athletes are not you know, I was involved in a did you ever do the Toyota celebrity grand prix? No. But I I followed it a couple of times. So there's there's just as much skill involved in driving a race car as there is in playing east sports. And so from that perspective, and there's an endurance factor that goes on. I mean to me it it's clear, then there's an experimenting with it as an Olympic sport. And I think it should be. It's it's gone at a lot of debate. And I think we won't see it. I think in twenty twenty maybe not even in twenty twenty four but east sports being LA being the hub of e sports. I think twenty twenty eight you may see well inclusion, and I know you're here talking about lifetime. We'll get into that too. But I know that all our call Mark. Thank you. Mark is a step up for life told Mason, Rick I told me since earlier that if you go down Michael Thompson, and I have gone down the hallmark rabbit hole. And once you go down it you can't particularly at Christmas. Yes, you can't stop. And I know the plot of every movie it's girl meets a really good looking guy in the beginning. He turns out to like lie cheat or steal from her. Her life is ruined. Then she meets a better looking guy twenty minutes in it looks like it's all going to ingrate. Then some obstacle comes up that you don't think can be solved it gets solved happily ever after. I know exactly what's going to happen. And I can't because it's real it's real we're all think living a day to day existence. Where we connect with the characters are we see characters, but in our life that resemble these individuals, and you sound like like, you might be ready to write a couple of scripts for paying a holiday for hallmark go. Well, here's the thing. Lot of Canadian actors man, you got Candida in a lot of Caen. Michael claims you for the Bahamas. He should because I claim me for the Bahamas, right? By the way, explain that you were born in the Bahamas. Michael claims you as a Bahamian. The other way around was born in Toronto Canada. But my dad after nine months, we moved home, my mom and my dad, but dad being Bahamian so natural naturally being a son of a Bahamian makes me behavior. But I grew up a little grew up. I don't know if Mike tells you I grew up a couple of blocks for Michael's house. So seeing his his climbs meteoric climb out of the little island and ASA into into you know, Miami and Minnesota and onto the Portland trailblazers. And then eventually the Lakers where he won championships. He was my role. I was your roadmap. So I do to. And that is you know, he's been he was brought a lot of hope why young men like my. You ever heard of this? But whenever we do a game where we have buddy healed or de'andre eight and in the game. So they said Michael do either one of these guys have a chance to to pass you up as being the most famous basketball playing Bamyan he said Ireland they can pass me, but they'll never pass. Tell, you know, Mike is you can't when you the father of a of a nation in the area of Mike and also the way he's gone on to actually represent the country through his as a father through his sons who we still try to cleanse. Well, I it's I think he's just been he's done a lot for our country. How you're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. We'll talk about your morning show mysteries coming up here. Yes. I want to ask you about the the Lakers and the really really difficult season that we will finish tomorrow night. I was gonna say isn't over yet tomorrow night. Finally, it comes to an end four more quarters, but who's count. How do you how do you view? What's the what's the big picture as somebody who follows the team? I like to look forward I like to look forward. And and think to the next coming months could could be for us as as a franchise knowing that the pressure is mounting from the execution in free agency coupled with. I think the improvement of the young players, and I I know the damage that was done through the the trade process maybe to their confidence. And and and the value. They may see what the organization, but I don't think it changes the summer can change a lot as long as they recalibrate their thinking, maybe and learn from the business of of of the NBA and trades are part of that trade deadline brings up. Do you ever get traded? I remember you signing as a free agent a couple of times you ever get. I was I was fortunate to be valuable enough to always be in the conversation of trades. And but valuable enough never to be trailing. So it's where you kind of want to be if you're on good teams. Right. There's a couple of bad teams. I was on. I wish traded from. So being traded his annoys necessarily being talked about in trades is in a negative thing. I mean, it it it's a part of the business. But it also you want to be desired you want people to want you. But it sounds like you think that that that there there's truth in the narrative that could mess with their heads. Oh, and when you're young player in this league. I remember the first time I got brought up in trade conversations. It was I think it was to Indiana at the time, and it was shattering. It was because you come from a college environment, in some cases, a lot of these guys only had one year in college. They don't develop the longstanding affinity for the you know, the team you're playing for in college. And then the team you get drafted by you have there's an naively that comes with feeling that there's a purity nothing nothing negative could ever happen to you. But again, if you look at a trade as negative negative thing that happens, then you're not really seeing the toll totality of the business, which is it can be positive, and it could be you see players. Now, they want out of situation call for trades. Right. So you can't have it both ways. Right. If if you want to be out to power as a player to say, I wanna move on. Then you also know that the owners are also going to have that power to move them on. So what's your take on LeBron James first season unfortunate the health? I I was watching that game in Golden State when his Christmas when that kicked in. And and I didn't know how it looked, you know, more a little more serious than maybe I thought, and and then it did torpedo. I think the momentum they had going there for a couple of months, and when he returned it was right around that trade deadline when you know that conversation then sucked all the oxygen out of of the unity. I think in in kind of making a run at that point. I felt it was it was pretty much going to be the demise of of of our chances, playoff wise. But individually himself, obviously went healthy and on the floor. I mean, it's still like, you know, he's he's the best player in in our game getting older, which is always a challenge. But even when he came back I thought. Man, maybe that little stretch of a couple of months got him, healthier more arrested. And and but now, you know, leadership wise only we question his leadership in terms of being able to get a group of men to rally behind the vision of of fighting for championship. I think he's done that enough times. It's getting those young men and the individuals that will come in through free agency to still follow his leadership. Rick Fox is with us in studio. And one of the reasons Rick came in was to talk about these hallmark movies. Now, explain to us your role in this are you acting in the movies? Are you hosting a show? What's your role, these these you you mentioned that hallmark dominates the Christmas season? Right. You've gone down the hallmark Christmas for a you've seen probably thirty movies in two forty movies. Thirty. Engineer. Mike, Julie for the Laker games works there on their morning show in told me, they're green-lighting forty New Year's miss B's nineteenth enjoy them. And so what we now have also hallmark. It does a movies and mystery channel where they have a number of series one being morning show mystery produced by our ochre fellow behavior, our executive producer and Holly Robinson, Pete and myself are the two lead characters in this series. We're on our you'll see series movies. Yeah. Five of them. Now, we'll go on to make I think another three next year or this year. Sorry for next year is airing. But here in April on starting next this coming weekend for the next three weekends. You can watch the next three episodes of morning show mystery good guy or bad guy to say, I'm up. I'm a police officer detective. I'm a detective that has a history with the Billy blessings character, which ALI'S character. Her father was a detective, and he was my partner, he was my mentor. And so we go all the way back to our high school days where we were two ships passing. We couldn't get it together in connect. And now we're finding ourselves back in a in these scenarios where we're constantly having to solve murder murder mysteries. But she's not a cop. So she always always a step ahead of me having the genetic gene of a father who was a cop, and I'm constantly trying to keep her from impersonating a cop. Now, did you go all method elec- did you go out on Dr drive? I. Shaq's jerusalem. All of those. I've been doing that for a number of years. Now, the first time I've played a police officer. But to your point I was just riding from opening day of the Yankees game. The other day, I was in New York, and I happened to be driven by police officer who does number of shows where he fills in and and acts or resembles a police officer for the production of that show. And I started grilling him and ask him questions. Sit in the cart me like why are you asking you all these questions? I said I need to know got shoot play a police officer. So it's interesting that cry detective work on the scene. You know, when they go in and they do their work. It's it's nice to know what they actually doing. So it's, you know, the thing about the thing about you that that people may not know is that after your career ended you kinda soom you're going to be you're at the top of the mountain. You assume you're going to be at the top of another mountain. And instead of that, you really went to work you learned how to act you. I know people that were enacting. Passes with you like you really worked at it. And study it's there's a craft to it. And there's a level of respect. I know that you you pay it, and there's a level of respect that I try to definitely pay on a daily basis. It's one thing to be talented. We see a lot of talented players make a professional career based on their height or their speed or their athleticism, and they're dubbed a talent. Right, right. Perspect- know prospects that are talented. Well, you know earlier on I was fortunate to get a foot in the door off of my talent alone as an actor. I did I had no idea about the craft of it. And then sure enough, you know, when you when you reach for me playing here in LA, I reached the conversation that is prevalent here in the city because there's a lot of actors, and and I started to realize there's a craft to this. And I need to respect it. The same way I spent twenty years building my basketball skills and to spend the same time building my acting skills. So what do you do? You put yourself in a class. You get yourself with mentors and teachers and students that are doing the same journey, and I spent ten years in retirement doing that. And you know, I've been. Acting for twenty five years long. I played basketball. And so it's it's it's my skill set. It's what I do. And it's a blessing to be received in the community into a working actor. We're talking with Rick Fox. It was nice after come in studio who's as he outlined for you there in a series of hallmark mysteries. Now, there's a hallmark channel. And there's a hallmark mystery channel right there moving. Okay. So this is this is the tone channel where we can see you later later this year. I think it'll be a hallmark drama channel. Wow. So it'll be making drama movies. In is they're good at it. Digitally. You can go to hallmark now to and my mom I bought that channel for my mom, and she literally watches it every night, she has access to all these hallmark channel. So she dreams it like, you would do Netflix. I think you've got it for your mom, my mom while everybody's mom, watches hallmark. Yeah. Ev literally end, Michael. Yeah. That is. Tell there. Can you hang around? Rick Fox is in studio with us. Yeah. He also he also owns echo FOX, the the gaming team that that we talked to him a little bit about. And I want to I want to ask when we come back. There seems to be this narrative out there that people are scared to come or don't wanna come play with maybe Kobi or LeBron or come to play Rick came willingly, and it paid off. And then some so we'll get into that coming up to Mason and Ireland ESPN LA. So I just told Rick I took the his Carolina tar heels in my bracket. Listen to my friend, James worthy. I went crashing and burning up. Mason you one, but you didn't really hit the final four, right? And this station bracket Virginia getting this far. And that was enough for me. I want enough early games. But that's his out of Texas Tech. That's three years in a row. I've I've one to two years ago. I was second last year was I this year. I'm I again, really, Mike trout Vacaville system. Okay. Did you ever play in the final four? I did similar similar pain story. Pain point there for me. Career. Yeah. Dean got thrown out of the game. Technical was not how it's nineteen Ninety-one. Your Duke beat Kansas and do pit UNLV. And Ryan again, you were at that. You were the game Trudeau member. That was Indianapolis. Right. So who else was Carolina team that we would kick rice P P cut, George Lind's. He Davis entre. Okay. So you had a lot of NBA guys. Yeah. That was so cool. I took my dad to that final four and my my dad my lake dad. It just him being at the final four. He'd never been there before in seeing it through his eyes was incredibly cool and RIC it's weird now too. Because even then like some of those names, you mentioned wouldn't stay for three or four years in college neck, these guys are like even at North Carolina and Duke and places that used to gain and Mike shoshefsky used to say, look, we want you to stay so weekend. You know now if you don't take one in Duns, it's hard to compete. It is you're you will compete probably as a team if you have a group of seniors later on maybe in the NBA w started like, Texas Tech. Does anyone in done actually, nobody in the final four had a one and done? Okay. Well, there you go. Yes. That says something for a young player with a pro career. Usually, you're one and done guy if you're gonna if you're a lottery pick if your top first round pick, a you see in the second round picks, you probably get more veterans more senior eligible players that have grown and maybe more prepared for the NBA. Okay. So there's this narrative out there. I think it's it's probably put out there by people who don't like the Lakers and Lakers polarizing because they've been so good for so long certain players. Don't wanna come play with LeBron when you are free agent. You actually signed up to play with shack. Why first of all do you buy it that people don't wanna play LeBron? If so why do you think I don't think it's an attack on LeBron's skill or his I think if I look at maybe strategically why younger player may be concerned about joining the Lakers at this stage of LeBron's career. I mean, there'd be a window of opportunity there to win with him. You'd want the best out of your coat, you know, your counterpart your hall of fame counterpart, I guess, and we we've seen now he the miles are ticking up on his body and he had an injury this year. I don't know if it was just a a an injury from wear and tear, or if it was a fluke injury. I hope it was more fluky than anything seemed to be fine going into the remainder of the season when he came back. But I think that's the probably the greatest question in the mind of a young player is how long will I get to play with them. And how healthy will he be? You don't think it's people don't wanna play with him. Now that you'll have you'll have those maybe that who's contemporaries that maybe a year. Or two or three years behind him. That may look at him as someone they've battled and measured themselves against and so Georgia. They don't want to be part of the LeBron show. Like, there's there's a whole big on show if you have any. Yeah. If you have an ego in that regard, and you want your own show then. Yeah, you're not going to come to LA, but you love so much because of LA not wanting to play an LA because you want your own show. Sure. I remember asking you once when you were playing I said, well, you know, you guys have one seventeen at eighteen games. Why? And you laughed in to check and Kobe making everybody look good. And but you seem to like you and Robert orienteer- Fisher seemed to figure out that. Hey, if we do our jobs, we could build something here and win a lot of titles. He'll something special. Right. And you did that's how I would think of it. I would never run away from great player. I'd run towards him. Respectfully of all the free agents that are out there on the market right now. As much as I would have liked to have been one of those that could demand the attention of an LA market in regards to the type of contract. I'm sure all Halse hall of Famer and all star. We'll be looking for. We don't we can't be in the conversation for the to the for the next here. Right. If we're going to change things, and so the guys like myself and Robert Derek in Brian Shaw, and all of the all the pieces that are I think necessary and mandatory to have to win a champion's championship. We can't we can't start there. You kind of have to build those through your youth or you have to build those through, you know, the the second wave of free agents free agents that you grab we need. A we need one or two guys that can join LeBron that are of his caliber that that can move the needle for us and take a leap forward in the next season here of the expectation level, quite frankly that we're used to having around here. Now, there's a crisis of confidence in the front office. Magic Johnson and rob Pelinka. And there are. A lot of moves that have been put under the microscope the signings over the course of the summer, and whether that made sense it just to put the the way the trade deadline was handled in the potential Anthony Davis trade in the way, sort of everybody got hung out to dry. What's your view of the way magic and rob Pelinka have operated so far? Well, I think they've done a very good job of keeping insulated, and, you know, working amongst themselves and really probably taking the wave of criticism without responding to heavily to it. Look magic delivered and rob delivered on LeBron's presence here in LA the youth going through that experience at the trade deadline was something that I think they were all going to eventually have to experience in their careers. I can argue getting it all out of the way in one clean swoop. Maybe healthy. Now, they can go back to work and realize that it is a business there. I thought Brandon Ingram handled exceptionally well thought he was the one individuality. Oh, he took it took it to another level. And that told me everything I need to know about him. Now, we need him healthy the the signings of the core. Veterans to one year deals a ton of them. I think was to keep the flexibility, which I thought was wise the impact of LeBron's ability to drag a group of guys that may, you know, may not offer together in age and experience and skill sets to a playoff a level caliber team. I thought we were well on our way to do that until. Injury. So we're it's easy to judge the group, and and and quite frankly magic in Rob's year in the decisions from last year on the results presently, right? It's what have you done lately? Right. It's the setup now is for the coming months here where they're going to go back into a sales capacity of getting free agents to believe in Elliot's a destination of success for them not just with LeBron. But going forward for them long term. I think we need one or two guys that aren't two or three years left in their careers where we need to future of the Lakers. And we and they need to see LeBron is someone that they can actually learn a lot from and actually like in a Kobe Bryant fashion. I mean Kobe at the end of his his career play till know twenty years in the NBA. I think years fifteen sixteen seventeen when pretty darn good yet. So we're gonna get that from LeBron as well. You just have to know that if I if I'm an up and coming guy that's going to get the baton pass to me in the city of LA where I can have it hall finish out. Career as a hall of fame player. I wanna talk to you know. Arguably one of the greatest player to ever play the game and see what that's like and play with him and learn from him as well, it looks like the warriors of the team to beat again this year. And it reminds me of the team you played on Rick that went to the finals four times in five years. You guys won three in a row, but you went seven games a couple of times back then including that one Sacramento series, which was a knockdown drag out. What's the biggest challenge of when you've wanted? And you you you competed as a one time champion issue ten champion than a three tem champion before San Antonio. Finally, knocked you guys out when you've won it. And the other teams have never wanted. So you would assume just naturally their hunger is is a little higher nears. What's the biggest challenge for the warriors to try and keep this going this year? Over-confidence being comfortable a level of arrogance that can seep in relaxing for five possessions in a game, right? The determined a game relaxing thinking that you have enough at any point in time to overcome. And and what you what you what seeps in is because you know, yourself so well, and because you've had such success you start to rely on your presence alone. Being a an an a force as you enter the game. And when people are hungry teams are hungry enough. And it'd been chasing you for years case in point Houston Rockets, which I think are going to be hungry again after right here. They are coming with the level of intensity that quite frankly, even the defending champions of two years can't won't be able to match. Do you won't be able to match it? So what they can't do that is they can't be careless and give over possessions and leave a team like Houston leave a team that's hungrier than them. You know, an opportunity to steal steal possessions. And and take take a series from them because that's going to happen. I think this is going to be the toughest road road for Golden State to win a championship this year. And I honestly think it's going to be it's going to be the hardest thing for them to do. You think you would you pick them if I made you wouldn't you think they picked picked up. The one thing I knew when I didn't know how your dynasty would end when you guys won the back to back to back championships. But I knew San Antonio was sick ASEAN you win and in that fourth year of you guys beaten them like a drum. They were ready and you guys had played deep into June three years in a row, and they hadn't and that series. I think it was the second round series in two thousand four when they came for you that you had beat them so badly in those swept them once you beat them four to one. Once I think that that was what you're talking about. The rockets may be so sick of hearing about the warriors today may not sleep for two weeks and be single line so sharp, and so you I mean, I think the Kenneth for read addition massive. Healthy healthy. And now you gotta name healthiest. Well, there's there's a group when I watched the Houston Rockets, I see a team that by the way they've won every game in the last night. And I'm telling you there on there. They they are going to be on all cylinders, and I think they're going to be the biggest challenge for the warriors. And I would not be surprised to see them. You know, get over the hump. All right. Well, listen, we'll let everybody know morning show mystery premieres next Wednesday at nine pm on hollow hallmark movies and mysteries channel. If you don't have it get it. And and then because you'll get it for three weekends in a row. Three movies. We've done three in a row. So you watch all three of them. Excellent every week. All right, Rick. Thanks, man. All right. Rick Fox with this Mason and Ireland ESPN. I thanks to Rick Fox, by the way, screwed up the time of his movie. It's Sunday night at nine pm on hallmark mysteries. Channel. I'm telling you. Rick, fox. Yeah. Once you go down, the hallmark rabbit hole. It's very hard to get ever been there never been there. Well, if you watch Rick fuck, I'll I'll watch Rick. But I don't believe I'll be down some radical still no word on the UCLA coaching job. Although Rick Barnes, the head coach at Tennessee. Ben bolt bolts LA times reported yesterday that he said he's been told that Barnes would accept the UCLA job. If formerly offered it, and my understanding is that an offer has been made. But now Tennessee's countered it. So he's trying to decide between UCLA and Tennessee, we could know by the time the national championship game tips off tonight. The national championship game is tonight. Six o'clock in Minneapolis, Texas Tech against Virginia a lot of conversation over the weekend that Virginia is in this because they got a huge kiss from the officials. I don't understand people who don't think that was. A foul. Yeah. At the end of nine understand the double dribble one. I I looked at. I thought that's that's not a fell what? Right. You go back and look at it. You've got to give the kid room to land on the enemy anywhere near him. And boy, I'll tell you. I was feeling it for that kid to the free throw line. You're gonna make all three. And here's the weird thing. So he makes one. Yup. He makes the second. Then they they basically do the Bruce Pearl does the ice that kicker routine. Yup. And CBS goes to a commercial. Oh, did they really in the middle of the three free throws come on? What is happening here? Wow. Yeah. It was a it was a now the one thing I will say is the double dribble that they missed was legit. That was a double dribble, but are calls missed. And I watch them talk about whether or not now. Now, you're big proponent of instant replays financing replay that would have prevented that herbal dribble. Yeah. Because there was a stoppage right after that. So you could have used one of your challenges there. But here's one thing. They have to change a rule in college basketball in the NBA. On your fifth foul. The other team goes into the bonus and shoots free throws. Yup. But let's say you get to the final two minutes of a game. Yeah. You've only committed one team fell. Right. But you're trying to foul to get them to go to the free throw. Right. You then have to commit four fouls on purpose in college basketball in order to get to your team to the line with the NBA. Does is they have a I in the last two minutes rule. So you're allowed one if you have a foul to give your loud one foul, but on the second foul in the last two minutes the other team shooting. So it keeps these unnecessary. And here's what happened on the double dribble. They were all the officials knew that. Virginia needed to foul. An or Texas Tech try and say one of the teams needed to foul default who get the other team to the free throw. Right. So they were committing fouls on purpose. But because there's no I in two the bonus. The first thing you'd have to do is go to quarters, right. They do in women's college basketball. There's some confused like I don't understand why women's college basketball quarters. I also don't understand. Why is there thirty second clock? Why why don't they have a twenty four second clock in college? They be more when member for a lot of it's a thirty five second class, maybe fibers at thirty Craig would is it thirty five or thirty in causing thirty five. I think it went down to thirty two. We'll remember as recently as ten fifteen years ago, they were playing the four corners, right? So that went why you went kicking and screaming to anytime. Right. Why not make it match the NBA because the game. I mean, I'll be honest. The game is like tonight. It'll be a slugfest. It'll be slow. Virginia's the get the best scoring defense in the league Texas Tech in the country. Texas Tech has the best defensive efficiency mean it's going to be a slugfest. But a twenty four second clock would make that game. A lot more entertaining. And and do the first in the last two minutes thing too. And that way, you don't have a team committing five thousand purpose in the referees are distracted. And I think that's why they missed the double dribble. But the foul at the end that everybody was g- was Twitter exploded. It is. Afoul any league it at any level. That's a foul. You got to give the guy room to come down. If you don't want to get whistled for don't go anywhere near. Yup. And and so I had no problem with the fat and for the kid to make three free throws under that condition is ridiculous. You know last night in the women's final four the women's championship. Gam? Notre Dame's best player got fouled down to with five seconds ago. And she missed the first one. Yep. The second one and the second one. But I that that kid that made three in a row was that's as Bill Raftery is nice onions. Yeah. Kit at onion, not -solutely. All right. Coming up for you next. John coming up for you next. We've got this game of thrones pool. Yeah. I filled mine out did you? Yep. Do you want? Do you want to explain it next? Sure. Okay. Cool Mason and Ireland ESPN LA. Everybody loves a pool. A good a good pool. Everybody loves so so many around here, Greg. It's you I'm assuming have started. Is it just you do you have help on this in this game of thrones have lots of help I have all promotions. Helping okay. So here's the deal. We're doing a game of thrones pool around it can listeners do it. Yes. We will be having listeners do it as well. Okay. Good. So they have a list of characters probably not everybody, but probably twenty. Of characters on the show and Mace you have to guess, I've already filled mine out, and you're you have yours in front of you. Now, you have to get win game of thrones ends which will end this season and ends in. May it starts this Sunday. And then it ends in may when the season ends will these characters be alive or dead. And if they die will they become a white Walker. So for example, when the show ends, do you think John snow will be alive or dead dead? All right. Do you think it'll become a white Walker? No. All right. So you just click dead. And that's all you do now sons up alive or dead Dead Sea. I think dead also g think she'll become whitewall. No. Yeah. I don't either. All right now, you so you just go down and they have every character listed now. I only picked one person to become a white Walker, and it's a strategic play on my part because if you miss if you predict one of them will become a white Walker you hit docked points or act. So who do you think I picked to become a whitewash? Offer. You'll only picked one person I did on the whole list on the whole list. Number one. You have to you have to assume I think they're going to die. Yup. And they're going to become a white Walker. I predict you'll say. I predict you'll say Jamie, Lancaster. Wow. Is that one? Yeah. That's it. That's a crazy one. Anyway, you think that also I don't I'm just I said I predict on say, yeah, you're right. That's the only guy because I think that'd be good. Plus, nobody's afraid of a one armed light Walker. Well. Then then I think the play is he becomes a white Walker. And does he will he kill Serse because remember earlier in the show? There was a prediction that he would kill certainty. So I think that that's what will happen. And by the way, I think he's getting it eventually to pick her to die. Do you pick pick her to dial? So she's definitely die. But I wouldn't about half and half where you going. Are you going most people to die? I'm going. No. I'm about half and half. I'm me too. Now at the end, there are bonus questions says no chance what did I do Davos? I said lives. I don't think he's important enough to kill. I think he's dead dead dead dead. I think both the hound and the mountain go down a few of these. I don't even know who's Braun. What do you mean who's Brian? You watched the show John. No, new gingery. Is you don't know who brought him in Henry is really hard for me to figure out who he was who's Braun Braun up. Ran no Braun is Tyrian was Tyrians like was his basically his best friend and then switched over to a Jamie. And he was yeah. He's a visa main care. No, he's dead. He saved Jamie already. I can't think of who. He was. Oh my God. Yeah. Brian meals, your more montes's. Yeah. I do the guy that had the scales going up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. By the way, if I'm predicting that the night king is wins at all at the end that it's going to end negatively if if I was predicting that the night king was going to be killed. I think it would be Giora that kills them. Like the Nike is about to take Khalil out. And you know, he's his whole life. He's devoted to Khalidi. And I think he finds a way to save her by killing the night king. But that's not my official prediction. My Fisher prediction is the night. King stands at the end. No way like kings that is. Okay. So here are the moments questions. Are you ready? Yup. Is deniro pregnant you get one extra point. If you get this, right? Yes. Greg says, yes, I say, yes, I say, yes, also. Yup. Okay. Who kills the night king? Greg. Would you say John snow Mace? I am going to go. Sam. He's got the dragon glass wall have dry. No. But he's got the one he stole from the mantle. I think he's gonna be the surprise hero. Okay. Mine. Mine. Mine is nobody kills the night king. And then who holds the iron throne at the end, Greg. Would you go with gingy? Nobody even knows who that is. If you watch the show apparently know we do watch the show we show before. It means that you understand enough to get the to get the throne. He he's Robert breathy and son. Yeah, he's not a big enough character to get the throne may. So you're going with I'm going with Tyrian. I'm going tonight king. Yeah. I I will thrown. I don't think it'd be the injury is the right answer. I'm not alone. No. He's the betting favourite zero. Increase the betting favourite. I'm like, I I would be disappointed. If I can't tell you which one is gender as you guys think anybody dies this Sunday. Yes, Honda, no lake made somebody on this list. Hundred percent somebody big is going to die in week one. I agree hundred percent who do you think's going to somebody big? I'll say Jamie Lancaster's did that right off? No, no too soon. Now, no kill Onta. He's only got one arm. How dare you can't kill sons in week one? She is the lady of winter fell for well. Not. No, it's like, it's like one of the great joys is gonna get it. You know, somebody not important Yarra. I hope it's not theon. He said such a rough go reek. They took his good. Yes. He can go. No, they took everything from. And by the way, that is everything everything you're on could go I can see your ongo. Well, you're on is is reckless. He'll he'll do something to get Milla, Sandra. I thought she already died. No, I've got her as a white Walker. How many white walkers? Did you make so far? Just one Mellon. Sandra grey grey worm is is going to get is they took everything from him. Yeah. For all the ones everything how come you didn't put the hot girl on here. I didn't make this list. If to be honest, we stole it from read it somebody made it unready. Yeah. What is what is Natalie Emmanuel's characters name, though it? She's she's the handmaiden for collegiate MRs grade you MRs MRs MRs grey, warm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they can't kill her. She's too good looking but day. What is it Masan day? Yeah. No, she doesn't she doesn't rate. She's not on three three. And a tarp is going to get killed probably by Jamie brianna. I hope she makes it pod. Her living padraic is an important enough to kill Padre. No Padres going to you guys. See SNL this week. Yeah. So here's what jumped out at me about the open for SNL. Jon snow kit Harrington was the host of SNL. He was funny. He did a good job and in his cold open in the beginning. He's talking about how he will not and cannot reveal what happens on game of thrones. Right. So all these people are popping out of the audience asking him trying to come up with different clever ways to ask him to it and Amelia Clark who plays collegiately. Is in the audience at SNL, and she pops up, and if you ever seen an actress look less like the characters claim it like she went nothing like my gosh. That's that's kalihi. But she has dark hair she's tiny. She's not bus shorthair. Like Khalid is. Yeah. Yeah. It should not blonde. Yeah. On. Yeah. If you like you're doing a double like, no wonder if she has her anonymity in Venice where you live. She can walk down the street, and I don't think anybody's doing. Has any idea who she is? She doesn't rich not like she's riding a dragon through Venice. Yeah. She put it. Also. I'm really doing is talking to a stick with a tennis ball. So I don't know what's going on. It's. I coming up next is is fast track. All I'm locked and loaded with fast-track today. I have I have many fast wrecks as well, including it's like on jeopardy. A video daily double Evie video fast track that I will. Hardy doing the radio, but we'll do it.

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Shaquille O'Neal and Rick Fox talk basketball, life and podcasting - plus Shaq likes LeBron's decision to give his number 23 to Anthony Davis, and plays NBA Free Agency Price is Right on The Big Podcast with Shaq!

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Shaquille O'Neal and Rick Fox talk basketball, life and podcasting - plus Shaq likes LeBron's decision to give his number 23 to Anthony Davis, and plays NBA Free Agency Price is Right on The Big Podcast with Shaq!

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kate big hall of famer and sure enough i'm glad red sox it's gotta be on the show today because it's always been one of those romances it gets a little uncomfortable which pretty rich shack really likes in some of the time i guess but my wife really likes herself motion are why see by the rails on say steadily mess there were glad have on the show it's big podcast with shack it is shaquille o'neal's platform with john kincaid and rob jenner's end brand and harper you know almost beat off hanging out with you on fourth of july week yeah and the fireworks we're gonna be flying on today's show or into andy eight free agency and more an m i guess break a breaking story right at the beginning of the show today yeah fan shack breaking story and be dog as a laker fans ensure shack and then we wanna get a reaction so big and not only will lebron having new teammate of anthony davis lebron will also be rocking new number saying that he is handing over twentythree the anthony davis how about that would be when we don't know you know but shocking to me that is they lack of ego move by lebron james and i really admire end marketing okay that's fine is gonna sell more donovan everything i get you a true but to me though i admire the fact that lebron james they're saying i'm gonna do everything i can to make sure the anthony davis feels like he's the man that feels like he's on he's on he's is on par with me i i see him as appear i admire that lebron james to that's a that's a that's a shack like psychological men who 'cause it's hard to little bro anthony davis you could do that kyrie i can't be doing that no but but shack that's a moon 'em i i just don't think eighty is going for that and then about what you're going for his about order order order still have severe but i know that you all sooner demean like the knights templar and say i'm doing this i'm doing i'm doing that you agree to order still has i got you so hey do you still second in charge on the team so it's either either he accepts that or he does a cool a slush takeover you do admire you do admire this move though by like do i really do i think it's easy to middle class it's an and i i swear to you the more i've got the no shaquille o'neal over the years this sounds like a move you would pull detritus say i'm going to do something that's gonna i don't think so really thirty four home runs and i'm like i don't know where you're going anywhere viewing jersey in his own logically shack shack likes to find ways to psychologically tweak people positively and negatively sometimes negatively for the better positively for the better and we heard kobe bryant on this podcast tell us how many times he miss read shacks motivational tactics for something negative when it was really ended up being a positive and coby told us set himself did anyone another finals and he said they wouldn't be just a team would what about individually for you got one more shot that's very that was after shaq had said to him he koby tell me how nasty ass yeah that's right i mean there was a little by play going on in my blood it's marketing but it was it wasn't youtuber marketing that well yeah got one more shot for more and barkley if you were there at bringing about learning you or anybody we had the check and see if you're a healthy charles who you stop it if charles it come to the lakers two years you super tino stop it like karl malone karl malone in china glommed onto the laker brand no first of all he's been drug rob i called i called him a gps one hedge less money hey charlie mcevoy common gps system at the shack yeah come on a plane of the minimum targeted i may take their minimum you'd rather have been what a rainbow told him i said listen i wanna see your garden people so you're only gonna ring someone who may miscue the crowd and then he did he did a what do you do it for july fourth this year because usually it's the big fireworks do it in orlando here that no i don't care where i'm at a bb bb ws what's bb ws bahama beach or the studios you know they hated us down that much time wow how they're not at least not dominican republic 'cause i gotta pay cash it out she emerged from growing again you're on each song i think is something else going on i mean all are like there's no there's no way you're going on the d r oh look like he roads i left and right and that's not good i think there's a serial killer that is finding creative ways to murder people i think you watch too much general hospital guess what it works man ryan chamberlain by the way he survived the fall of lafayette offi a a b niagara falls at each of his own hand off of course he ducked ryan chamberlain why one of these adding a nineteen year john roger ospital oh look so i know these they know there's somebody there died in the dominican republican a lot of the people are tied to their minibar yeah annual so i wonder detective shack would probably be wondering what what what's going on in many books i mean first of all who uses the mini bar at a resort or whether you're talking about you've got you've got open bar at the resort why you're drinking a little the little bottles in your roof metal similar closes the bar closes it to some of us go five so all right i'm charlie pellett you're doing hanging out in the laundry service rumors listen now you matthew just in the room lewis and this is where the to do this myself will start investigation goes overseas is legally i am going to solve this low and he's a muslim redskins dollars while also maternal deserves a widow at least you got the speedy gonzales reference debtor gonzalez is this is this a detective gonzales joining me on a weekend handicapping on the way home auto zone remember great young guy you so you gotta you gotta you gotta he's gotta okay so gonzaga's you you usually i work these cases by myself but since i'm indeedy are we need someone who speak spanish i want you to locate k d league distillery they were older oklahoma's coming from a call somebody told the spanish i won't do that guy in certain areas right okay all right michael ramsey says i'm going in dominican republican a lender so so what i'm trying to say is consolidate since people in the streets as we understand what i'm saying so no really i wanna start with the liquor that they're all down from and see if there's any connection is everybody down from the drone there by the outright and then i'm going to the hotel right and then the second thing i'm gonna do i'm gonna do across represents any cousins working together at this hotel 'cause we can be one guy working five different mini bar so that's because it's gotta be an inside job and if you had you gotta beings are jobs that surrounded many names zalis then you take away that everybody's fallout bobby everybody that's a you know only a mini bar would list i'm talking everybody let me out is when we talk we're not going by american loss oh you're gonna you're gonna run into people up that waterboarding those who do detective shack solves problems of the i love the public i love it i to i like it a lot but i i did all inclusive now in the dominican republic include the funeral now maybe some tech where you go you pick the casket that you want just in case you know come home i guess we now know speaking of they they they dominican republican yeah charlotte the big property and oh yeah yeah he's doing well i hope okay have you when you were in boston oh you i see a lot of speculation and why what happened doesn't matter nuclear deal and mistaken identity is what they detective say well that's why i don't i don't believe it was in the streets something else and when people shoot so we're just gonna be good but i'm just grown as a dog when they say the street means something a in the vernacular that means that people are talking about this i should be explaining that they will make sure the streets this thing okay a i do wanna mention something here real quick before we move on up paul pierce this wondering the finals and i and i didn't catch visit was brought to my attention last week i remember when the two thousand eight finals in either leave the floor in a wheelchair yeah yeah no it already went we're here eleven years ago today we'll turn off the floor she will keep compared to about about why did you did it will turn get the second one now you can get in and beto got that out of them got the say that in here i never had heard that story either he had racing stripes i'm andy rose i'm gonna get it in one time i lose a brochure i'll do real value did hold on john you're calling the lightning strikes it's right well skidmarks in the toilet yeah skidmarks they're only in the toilet i've never learned that never heard of the election out wait on a stretcher in your underwear job have you ever taken a door of the number eleven nothing i've had that does muller what's the number eleven a number of new england boudreaux's were there so there you go once more when you pull your child john kennedy we always look at it in roman numerals so my daughter that is the two giants yes i figure something out what'd you figure out we need to play a game called black people do serve the way people don't do and then john mccain career bottle blonde same way again at the workshop just you know the jokes on holding back right now i'm holding back jokes john looked at me and said work and i'll say hey i just like for example for example i got uncle the us the question and answers at the same time every time with dokes oh you don't just walk we both been working out my question do you have anything they transfer you after you course not i love that yeah i wanna meet him i like very much you're blogger overdrawn and also what did you ever have evidence you said you had one watch where he ran off the court i just laid it up and and it was sort of a turtle head and others around i'll be a gym came back out there now and i gotta go feels like what do you do have to go shoot she she 'em and then the last thing here before you do anything at all like oh god shack you're gonna be in vegas right before i get there 'cause we get out there the fifteenth you're gonna be out there you are rock in we get it on the monday the fifteenth you call me and i'll make sure either one of my favorites bette midler piece service said he would have loved to have hit one year clubs united for her ninetieth birthday with lovers of gone quite literally the betty comfortable me i'll stop certain activities for you this afternoon i promise you this betty betty would hang would be able to hang shack a lot better than i do promenade tomorrow move she goes oh that would absolutely how whether she'll be nine introduced to dj great grandma she'll be it will be in the g league now she's not old lay that out i don't care at ninety she'll be ninety in a labor weekend ninety celebrator ninetieth birthday out there in vegas and as i told her don't don't screw me over mom you gotta you gotta make sure you get the ninety 'cause i'm celebrating her or joy some selling regularly i'm paying for that until your job you call you call cynthia in calling and i will search for you i love having you know they're awesome they're only gonna take care of you in a new era of food austin's mayor that downright job looking at all shack make sure you stick around after this podcast get the latest headlines from the eighteen news minute this summer there's only one trusted plays that lets you get in on all your favorite sports betting action bet online dot agee sign up today for a free account at bet online dot h g and use promo code podcast one fifty percent off welcome bonus or text now to three eight six six nine that's b e t n o w two three eight six six nine to receive your fifty percent welcome bonus don't sit on the sidelines this summer from major league baseball to the women's women's world cup in all things you fc bet online dot h g has you covered visit bet online dot agee and don't forget to use the promo code podcast one bed online dot agee your online sportsbook experts charlie mom so he felt it from urban while sharing jerry solo spin out the cherry lining the cherry on charlie day knicks the polar pop or foster that works for you just seventy nine cents each at circle k limited time only at participating locations yeah we're gonna be joined by rick fox here minute as well all around wreck will be calling the show now shack you i mean i teased at the beginning of the show you have a sort of strange attachment direct new structure john you you think he's been very hot guy so that's it by the ruse my love route because of owen four it kobe or i would not have three and then koby can say all go warm water shack and the guys like rick leash a big shot bob they always get the certain respect for me because i realize that hey i'm shocked when i did or not you're i'm the bridge a big beautiful bruiser all the lights but you guys have always been my legs that's my only finished before it cut it out no hassle make sure shut you down machete white stop and say oh asking about you wanna they wanna eat everything if he'd ever taking a peek a you wanna dance never taken a never ask ask any question you remember what about two weeks you don't take a peek i won't do transition moving blankets however oh man i mean you know very studio brooks oxford shaquille o'neal oh wow freely richard man lesson i know every time i see a two you're thinking every time i see till they don't have a boss i gotta tell you thank you brother a level that you know i'm a little talk about mean kobe will be day but i'm gonna be the ones from outside couldn't have done it without you being a big shot bob and all the guys yeah so i appreciate you very much less i miss everyday i'm not doing it with these still young and i my condolences go out to how you found me budget agreement room for another man we love do and and he appreciated how much you did for me which impacts my whole family so just noted on a ladder right now and i thought i might see here but it's good they were look old and catch up rick every day i mean every time shack talks about teams and were talking about modern day teams talk about how chemistry works on teams you're name invariably is come up on this podcast were doing like a two hundred and thirteenth today an you're you're name comes up all the time any talks about that there have to be guys who were willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the team and you're name always comes up in conversation with that's a huge compliment we had a lot of guys that are team and i know shack points to guys like brian shaw derek fisher in robert ory everyone that really pulled the wait a really really support greatness i mean we don't get any of that done without shacks presence in his dominance it so easy for me personally i can speak speak for myself it was easy for meta to leave a situation where i wasn't winning and look at the landscape and see and understand the check what's going to create championship success wherever you are so i just want it to be a part of that then defined a group of veterans that understood understood that the common goal of winning was the most important thing for all of us into ashley just do everything we could to to to to put ourselves in a position to succeed by making you know life is easy for shaq and kobe as possible so look it all worked out we had a lot of fun along the way i miss those fun times out but it was great like was there the data see shack a at oracle a catch up on those always are bright spots in every city in genitive shows before we see now throughout all the stuff that went on his only two guys that komi now with phil wasn't jerry wasn't jerry buss when rick and bubba show is called mercedes will stop it stopped out of the respect you had for that yes i'll just be like man come on my we got a game forget all that let it go but again a lot of the stuff that went on the only outside once we all stepped on the court and rick you know tell you this none of that happened inside the dow now outside of his crazy it was i glad we hate each but once we got inside the court and you know inside the nine feet we've never had a problem and i always say look at the first championship and i want and i got my hand in the air who's the first kind of jumps on like a little baby yeah fertile dow's right next you guys i gotta show i mean people don't understand man that fire and passionate you you you lizard life with shack bad it's what fuel which twist field us you know everyone at points to kobe you know a passion for winning and they forget that you know equal passion from the other side and it may have been communicated differently in different ways both but at the end of the day man you push them he he pushed you and you both post all of us at i don't like i don't i don't have a problem with an environment where internally in that locker room among ourselves were holding each other accountable challenging each other because that's how you get excellence and the dominant we got a but when you put another team in front of us we got between those lines on the floor but you couldn't stand between any of us that we were titus could be an john ricco at my side of the hitman so like you know it's kind of like you know john loans all these people with the barber shop will golden state warriors will do this with the i wanna tell ric let 'em drive baseline oh yeah i bet it's i i wanna touch bar or on a set rick he's getting too hot you know what you gotta do yeah because you know rick it'd be the guy the gone we don't care about no finds nobody jumping on the move in a real long and you always have my back she ended the day if we couldn't have you in foul trouble we couldn't have you taken a in our society all time member i walk universities amount i really appreciate you 'cause i don't know how you go at night in night out carrying three guys when you're my sometimes is my guy coming down a jump on your back and i i apologize by missing shots but i was you know how you're not punching people out every day i just don't understand it and that's that's the understanding and the strength comes would characterize the understanding of responsibility begat and he knew that he if he went down we didn't go anywhere so i i mean i i really truly appreciate the the burden for all of us rick you're getting into the podcast game premiering there you're gonna have your own podcast a podcast one yeah well you guys are talking thirteenth man mazing that's a couple of years four years in four years if that's that's that's great man i i we brought up just the podcast on podcast one i happened to be in the same building is a the podcast what officers side run into nor occasionally and we were in these sports spaces well now to shack is in the space but the team in and i happened to be a part of it as well and we just talking sports he talked daming we talked about the culture of e sports and it worked out this professional a generation is celebrating these you know these these sports athletes so we just we hope i love games i love competing and that's kind of what we talk about they're going to college for that now shack and i'm sure you know this and this time i made it said it's incredible but they're now recruiting kids at certain colleges per east sports leagues that's crazy muslims argues education i'm good have you gotten a second second doctor yet not yet maybe maybe work it out it i got about a two man oh man sack i'm doing some in late late pomona it's called the horses with you came out on stage me andy electrified bob a little bit further down the wreck wreck a weekend degree smell issue though i just wanna know i do carry out man we are where kenny okay just about every i have a bone i have a bone to pick a generic okay remember a little kid from texas again from san antonio became one recruited mall you just thought i wasn't aware of that time in but no girl central ohio's robert i wasn't just go to a you already know you may you may not feel that you couldn't even wanna rick fox is leftover i mean listen richard went to ucla oh the names you walk in and it was like eddie murphy walker nothing at all with some level glows review those i have my name's there whenever i had a i will be as we check your money more money shack but in the sexy department i think just regular guys you this wreck fox beto here a big laker fan by the way in check thank you i wanna thank you again for everything you do for layer for the franchise 'em you know people talk about the whole this team in this generation versus team in this generation how the two teams would fare against each other what are your thoughts on you know your laker team you pikine championship team versus the golden state warriors today how do you mind dumb as could be one of those people people i just wanna fox not why i love this question because everytime it starts up i just start with the metal style but so at the end they really ended the conversation it just as a conversation has also announced that the thing like i said earlier in the podcast here it wasn't just one or two people you had to send him three people and i got video proof of that and there's a reason for that and so to somebody's gonna show me what three players are any of those teams would've they would've sat the stop him you have to understand it with less everyone else open and that's that's where i that's where i made a living and we weren't breeze to be you know kinda and i had i mean we still have ended we're so there's no era he wouldn't have been living in athletically space speeds side spring slow he had he it all man i haven't seen anybody like exactly what the game since so unless you plan on coming back i don't know where they go find another point good job rick i'm renting regulations on the podcast mia love it too bad there are talks on directtv box of the g g podcast by the way neighbor rick show the icy jeep pie a good game goes yeah big john gorgeous gorgeous god's available api gets a little uncomfortable with this summer is heating up which means that football season is just around the corner i think that ridiculous join ross tucker gears up for another exciting season and speculate on what you should expect they know that part of their job is to be a mentor to a young quarterback they know that download new episodes of the podcast in more presented by bet online every week on apple podcasts and podcast one sports net this summer there's only one trusted plays that lets you get in on all your favorite sports betting action bet online dot agee sign up today for a free account at bet online dot agee and use promo code podcast one fifty percent off welcome bonus or text now two two two three eight six six nine that's b e t n o w two three eight six six nine to receive your fifty percent welcome bonus don't sit on the sidelines this summer from major league baseball to the women's world cup in all things you fc bet online line got agee has you covered visit bet online dot agee and don't forget to use the promo code podcast one bed online dot agee your online sportsbook experts front of bird watching nurse to online dancing firefighter nobody's just one thing that's why polar pop and foster either choose from all kinds of flavors and make your next polar pop and proctor just seventy nine cents each at circle k limited time only at participating locations a lover i this week's edition of or like we didn't have one last week as we kind of had an abbreviated show show got one year since you're heart attack that's it's right absolutely right now it is congratulating i'm up 'cause it's one year end were thrilled because rob's doing great now through labor day of a condom untold and if you don't get the peanut butter and all of them cook you other thing i'm gonna be this doing great ever sent you really just takes idle threat certainly the threat of shack leading you're as is always a good motivator good motive there really is it's an old fashioned motive but the threat of being reporters a human resources should be something that that motivates lavar ball moving for a high he starts borderline this week he was on first take during nia following the lonzo trade a n he made molly feel a little uncomfortable with this sort of him and scares the difficult 'cause i have a question here is there a man is a whole let's say well they're solid hr today it's make shots seriously we haven't heard your thoughts on that of to folks the woman told us he's he's a character yes he understands marketing i don't think you should be sexual i agree with you we agree they are saying i don't think he'd been sexual however however like if you say certain things and certain certain way it may appear that you are trying to be sexual but again with him being a marketing guy being a character molly hit him with the one two and he returned would want to but he just add a little flavor to it saying so i i made my day one that called attention to it but then on the second side if you think he would be sexual when he not where's your mind but ho ho now i'm molly these are some some some will say he's being disrespectful someone saying he's being sexually because if you look at his face he had the little playing on say level he wants to get out smith gauging top but you have to add in the fact that this is how we talk doesn't mean we thinking this is how we talk because when i was at this she said saying the men all i did was just turn around she's the outlets which gives a second i looked at it i just turned around like hey you're not gonna give me caught up in this mess i mean i listen i could understand how people and i also am so were you know people are own tomorrow so but i i can't believe it i defended lavar ball and this because i never do i think that was the worst stupid overreaction i've ever heard there is nothing offensive about that my wife and my daughter both watched it made me laugh neither one of the most they both giggled bill photos my wife and daughter to different generations of women going there is nothing offensive they're made me laugh lighten up every but that's obviously lighten up on a flurry of fall and then again you know all the diseases that are going to jail no no that's why he's not injured and then then he was moving said e s p in band he said only up here i got my own show show a curve ball ball negga balls or a lead thanks lou your g mail this is from the the w n b which is back and we've already got a borderline from seattle phoenix game from the wb eight yeah there is no reason it's so cold out why are you why did you don't want to blow wsb again i've always had a crush on candace parker what what's the question about a crush on how you've always had a crush on she is just beautiful woman she is but bit of a one one the new one okay who's at all i can while you're you're you're crushes though are very diverge to you love a love ellen degeneres unless you love her house or aaron ospital love journalist who by the way is there there's something about chair of the house board she says she's adorable a yo you have a lot of conscious shack c h a n d was three to one she's a chief roger has been indiana's not real china can pronounce know something up on amazon and then when the show but she's beautiful really know what i'm saying i do bureau shrunk down it'd be dogs doing the homework right now south will will enable compare notes in a second she's no sage steele that wow oh marlow city high logically scale to beautiful and she is a beautiful person should go to do under winning a playoff game wild card games and everybody's gonna crush and we're gonna see who wins okay now now you over okay 'em if i start now michelle stafford okra shell she had actress she really she always on the young and the restless she is phyllis on the young and the restless brewers he's being full oh god i mean are you going like car they didn't it could be anything murders job when i hope he comes kelly capacity when i was a kid around fifteen amber these you now as she just she holders occur the she a mac in the day with like trump the cards that just driving a little dog come beat out a crushing now all i know this you know this harry chant she not if you wanna know i like i like taylor rules okay see your drugs and be as cars i'm true one of my big dog bury their dead were not a day that thomas going now right away lately shack shack high school kid has one thomas thomas we giving it never ends and she lives in hold on a minute don't you canada anistan don't you dare no jennifer aniston's mother she's the most beautiful woman in the morning when i wake you thomas and outer drive one yeah but he hasn't seen her gopher agency pre nose job jennifer ashton says one okay i see those guns hey siri or us to win the reader or okay now i wanna doug i'm a drug is the first one robin givens oh okay givens by the way on the new a a oprah network show ambitions you have to check her out real and it's being done here in atlanta a middle school and they end she out of the car she's a bit all right i'll i'll drop the cards for you right here i will go kelly monaco and so when you don't know where and i don't think you're winning kelly monaco's winning kelly monaco is wednesday hunger rubber gutu mo yes she is she is kelly kelly monaco is spectacular you run a yeah shawn's on his instagram flying around dealer right now she is kelly is quite quite adorable in person at everything she her yeah she's home we we are in the middle of borderline social going occurred right that's okay i wanna just knockout these last couple of clips here thanks thomas at r g mail sent this one over from jimmy kimmel live it was gear mo with dnb eight finals media day before the warriors got bounced anna he asked steve kerr a question i think he just raised at the wrong wins great a threesome i'm sure a surfer was attorney general call three oh three but i i'd be excited for either one credit for you here late alarm rose funniest so dear most gray is really funny so when you a shack when you guest host the jimmy show did you guys get do anything with gear molly tibbets or anything like that were heroes mogo any fun audi cellphone rose loaning money did all right one last question borderline this week a working well that's my paper i were heavy nb i obviously were gonna end with skip a he's talking about fred vanfleet guarding steph during game six bnb eight vinyls andrea yeah wow thanks to mike at r g mail breads about six feet tall maybe i don't know if he's taller rally by maybe it's a little stockier this stock but he was just all up in the whole series he's in just hounding hounding him just taking him out of what he did keep pounding him okay happy dog doesn't like nah claimed on waivers by the firm skip i'm gonna do everything from skip yes he he definitely get that opportunity and that is this week's edition of borderline now you're ready are you ready all right hold on you wanna you don't you don't you be able to do this game show plus heart attack slowly walked down the aisle that i beat you strata now wait a minute there we go you're the first three contestants on shocks price nicely done you're ready ready guys welcome here's the host of shacks prices right john king and welcome to this week's game is in nb eight agency free agency edition of price prices right okay i check you know how this is played prices right you're on contestants row against rob at against dog shack a first item that you have to do is closest without going over is and you have to answer this quick so you can't be on your google home with google okay closest without going over the steph currys highest single season base salary that carries highest single season base salary okay you going okay what you're what you're number you gotta give the number he says thirty eight million now i want robbers that out i went twentythree i don't think he's been published their own agendas goes twenty three shack says thirty eight he says twentythree where you're going be dog a thirty split the actual value thirty seven point oh wow steph curry's been dog wins the first round to play the game yes tom closer when i only went over you you can't go oh yeah you shack has bore you were half a million by the way i don't know how that's how we pull in this stuff out of his brain like that that's a really amazing number gets the play the first first pricing games i didn't even know he went over thirty this year that was his value home going on okay are you gonna play the first pricing game be dog and the boys can help you out behind the scenes before you give you a final answer stack these nb eight free agent contracts from lowest the highest that they signed total contract value lowest the highest i gave you chris bosh of the miami heat in twenty fourteen gilbert arenas the washington wizards in two thousand and eight and alan houston of the new york knicks in two thousand and one boasts the highest lowest highest you're china get it and win the mall and you're gonna win that thing with the base scanner rams over there when one of those cars ran over surgeons from you could you could help if you want some help you address i love assistance from what we think is lower and lower style variances gilbert yeah i'm gonna say didn't he signed that contract almost dumb yeah so am i okay were selling a cia popped up i had my head to and houston at three i a okay so that's where he's going be dog you've heard the input from you're a partners here no you're gonna go gilbert arenas well lowest the high side so i'm gonna go chris bosh okay allen houston gilbert arenas bum bum by doing a alan houston at one hundred million dollar total contract value in free agency okay gilbert arenas say one hundred and eleven million dollar free agent contract and chris bosh the biggest one hundred in eighteen million dollars with the heat sorry didn't win that game we have another pricing game for you so you could play along their car right now it's all three of you were back in play here all right rob you get to go first jackets go lessons here go first last time shacks highest single season base salary shack single season highest they go after her 'em okay never jumped the shark one point five twenty point five be dog i'm gonna say twentyfive he goes twentyfive shaquille o'neal i'm asking your own single season base salary highest we've got a twenty point five and we've got a twenty five point four point one one one actual single season base salary highest per shaquille o'neal twenty seven point seven million dollars shaquille o'neal wins on a question about himself and shack gets the shot gets very difficult pricing game though here we call it pick to shack to okay you're i'm gonna give you six nb free agents and i'm gonna ask you to spend total contract value between a hundred and seventy five and two hundred million dollars lanny bankroll two guys and you can't go over two hundred million dollars you gotta spend between one seventy five two hundred i'm telling you these names scribbling down the brandon roy with the trailblazers in twenty ten derrick rose with the bowls in twenty eleven the where shard lewis with the magic in two thousand seven the chris bosh with the heat and fourteen allen houston with the knicks in two thousand and then one girl and chandler parsons with the grizzlies in twenty sixteen and you gotta spend between you gotta say between one on lewis the term abortions i didn't even hesitate on the she didn't have any help either now you gotta spend between one seventy five sean syndrome before some were shot louis well let's go chandler chandler parsons first ninety four million dollar lane ninety four right now wait a minute that only leaves shack eighty one million dollars at the low end anything and he took her show lewis a hundred and eighteen million dollars but on a hundred eighteen million rich sharply lower your in the wrong business you could have one with derrick rose and chandler parsons could've won with alan houston and chandler parsons allen's houston derrick rose down he's been in anybody roy brennan brian derrick rose could have major there too so so we have to losing games ever guys you got one last game the play along with us here on contestants rope again you know you get to go first shack will go second rob you get last option to go one dollar over whatever all right the question is kobe bryant's rookie base salary kobe bryant's rookie raised a first round pick thirteenth overall then end up i'm gonna say for meal you ride a shack you're second ninety six we talking about and yet he says for yeah i said for more go of you're google we will stop and go with a one he goes with one yeah i'm gonna go kind of split the difference with a one point one just to go a little bit higher the shack but i think it was over a million kobe bryant's herkie base salary one point one five dot wow you gotta be ran into our show you can be made a million is rookie that's a million fifty million dollars one loss i check you get the player last game lucky seventy million okay okay here's the deal you have to be within seventy million dollars on predicting the contract value of these free these three nb eight free agents okay and andrew wiggins weighing in total contract value gotta get within seventy million total the three people i'm gonna give you okay so wiggins is walter wiggins just one gilbert arenas says another and john wall is another so shack let's start with john wall jarring well yeah get john wall or so it was on joe john the new governor governor in georgia is okay job you mean like getting john wall first total contract value okay what is created one twenty four oh okay one twentyfour he said the actual retail retail price one seventy one holy cow oh my gosh that is it says on that one seventy that's four seven so you're at forty seven million already shack you gotta get a little better hair 'cause you gotta be within seventy million total andrew brunson is going well okay well though you know matt tracting john makes every game way more complicated than it needs to really andrew wiggins this is like lucky seventy a big dora andrew wiggins total contract value free agency one forty five okay one forty five actual signing value us one forty eight oh he's finished three shots it fifty shack you must become the night you come within twenty million dollars there's a total contract but i never gilbert arenas and she she turned to drugs to anyone zone for no total contract that he signed for afraid they're going to give it to sixty one boom boom boom a hundred and eleven million doesn't say just set it shack kid just missed out on them and we had no winners on 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Sacramento Kings Doug Christie

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Sacramento Kings Doug Christie

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at any dot com slash p r. The bull forty eight. I'm Howard Beck. Senior NBA writer for Bleacher report. My guest today is a four time member of the NBA's all defensive teams. But more importantly, he's a member of I think one of the most entertaining teams that I have had the pleasure of witnessing in person in my NBA beat writing and even podcasting career that is the Sacramento Kings. And he is Doug Christie, Doug. Of course. Now a color commentator with Grint Napier on the king's local broadcasts for my money. One of the best local broadcast teams in the NBA if you're a Sacramento fan, or if you're a league, passive Scribner, you know, it they're they're fun. They're inciteful. They they enjoy it. They really engage the viewer. I love listening to those two guys grants always been one of my all time favorites, and Doug as I say somebody who I watched a lot because it my Laker beat writing days, Lakers and kings mixed it up quite a bit back then and Doug was part of those legendary battles. He was the guy. Night in night out trying to check Kobe Bryant when they were facing each other in the postseason and Doug Doug's tough dove. Doug made Kobe work. No one's going to be Kobe Bryant back in his prime. But Doug gave it all. He had and also mixed it up, of course, famously with Rick Fox in a preseason fight. Yes. Folks in the NBA we used to have preseason fights. Of course, I I had to ask Doug about that. So we discussed his legendary kings teams from the early two thousands. Chris Webber devotes pages stock of it's that whole group. They were a ton of fun. Then of course, we discussed decrepit kings who after a very very long playoff drought. I think the longest active drought in the NBA. These kings are on the verge of something. They may not make the playoffs. They faded a little bit. They're sitting at five hundred his I record this but the kings. I'm gonna use the word fun again entertaining. They're funded entertaining. Again, Darren FOX buddy he'll bogdonovich. This is a good crew. Marvin bagley. They've shown a lot of promise. And Doug tells me he saw something in this group early in the season that told him they were ready for this breakthrough. That frankly is a head of schedule. Even if they don't make the playoffs. These guys are ahead of schedule their up and coming. They're great to watch. And it's great to listen to Doug. And grant called her games. You can you can kind of see something special in the making Sacramento. So we will get to that in just a second my weekly plug, please subscribe. If you haven't already own apple podcasts on Spotify on any number of Android platforms. 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And with that we will get to my interview with Doug Christie. I'm now joined live from an undisclosed location in midtown Manhattan by Doug Christie. Thank you for joining me, Doug or thank you for having me to join you. We are in your let's just say modestly sized hotel room here in midtown Manhattan with a makeshift studio here, but it's convict it works. I mean, you know, it's different. When you're the TV guy is when you're a player, you don't you? Don't get the biggest room you're gonna say motel. Just not the biggest rooms. Yeah. You got you got you got the sweets when you're Algo. That's even there's a pecking order they're like when back in the day. I'm sure see web probably have different size room. Then maybe you Patia. Yeah. You know in a lot of times, it just depends on the player because if you do want a sweet, they will get you sweet. But you have to pay the extra for the suite. So they pay your regular room rate. And then if you wanna sweet you can bump up to a sweet if that's. What you so choose. But if you're the star of the team just kind of takes care of that. Yeah. You know, what that's a good question. I think they charge you. But you never know in. There's always a pecking order and everything. I don't know how that functions or how that plays into the salary cap either. Right. Like, how many how many suites can you bump the star up before it becomes a cap? Is there an exception? They're sweet exception. Never know. So so you guys got into recording us on a Friday morning. You guys got in Thursday night. You were saying that you you just kind of stayed in this time, watch them NBA. What's your usual? New York routine. You've been traveling for a long time as a player now broadcaster you played here actually for a brief time as well. Do you? Do you have a New York routine? Do you have Goto spots that not not really I last time. I was here. I went to a really nice restaurant with grant we went out and eight and we stopped at a cigar bar. And but not not not really because this is my second year come into New York. So normally in any city. If pages with us if grant obviously grants with us. Bobby Jackson's now assistant coach, we'll we'll go out and get a bite to eat kind of hang out and talk basketball, and what have you and just kind of relaxed. Normally would would what happens. So as you guys arrive the kings. This has been I just did did what we call our spotlight videos a week ago on this about you guys being the kings being one of the feel good stories of the season. This has been this has been so much fun to see this team merged. But as you arrive in New York for the start of what could be very critical and difficult road trip for these guys. They're five hundred I think three games back in the loss column from a playoff spot that a couple of weeks ago was looking pretty good, right? How you feeling right now about what you're seeing from this kings team and their potential to end this very long drought. You know, it's going to it's going to be tough. It's going to be close more than anything. What I've been saying because you know, grant Napier who. Who is the play by play for the kings? We do a radio show as well from three to seven weekdays. And when I'm talking to the fans or when they call in and we talk about the kings. What I say is listen to the kings are probably year ahead of where they're supposed to be. And if they make the playoffs that would put them two years ahead of where they're supposed to be the fans are like, oh, why don't understand? And I'm saying there's a it's a learning curve that you have to go through in sometimes it's very painful. So when I look at the kings this year, a lot of the losses are painful losses. But they are also it's necessary for them to understand the sense of urgency that goes into being ready at the beginning of the game closing quarters starting this third quarter with the bang and not a kind of falling into it. And those are painful losses that sometimes the other night versus the Boston Celtics. It comes down. And Gordon Hayward hits a big shot and then buddy hits three. Free throws end up hitting the game winner in the game's over and you walk away going. Oh my God. How did that? And then you lose to the Phoenix Suns. So I think that it's it's still a possibility, but they're going to have to play to a level that they haven't played or if they have played it's been sporadic. They played sometimes up to the level of their competition, minus two versus the Denver Nuggets right before the all star break, minus two versus goes day. Warriors coming out of all state all-star break, then beating okay see right after that. That's a level that they can play to but to play their consistently is difficult. Yeah. And this is one of those kind of immutable laws of the NBA, Doug. And I say this all the time to to fans, and it's something I learned over time of covering this league. The youth thing it matters that the experience it matters in a few weeks ago before the Lakers just completely face planted. One of the reasons I was still bullish on the making the playoffs. I said listen the teams ahead of them the clippers traded away their best player Tobias Harris. Maybe they're not try try-. They're certainly trying on the court, but structurally, they weren't. And I said in the king's nothing against them. This is not a knock at all young. They're really young. They've never been in this position before and it wouldn't surprise me as a young team if they faded and that wasn't a criticism. It's just this is one of the immutable laws of the NBA. And it it comes into play in the playoffs. When you're having experience versus inexperience tell me you've went through this as a player, you a young player once and then an older player working with younger players isn't just about the pressure of it or not having been in situations. Like when you see this team start to falter here at a key time when yes, it's right there, the playoff berth is right there for the taking what are you seeing happening with youth in that pressure? Cooker, you know. When you talk about you give you a couple of examples, for instance, during FOX's now in his second year. And if you think about it the earned FOX was in highschool fantastic high school player in Texas. And then he goes to Kentucky. He's a very months that's pretty much what he's at Kentucky for incredible environment. Probably more fans in the stands and most NBA cities, but in CA run in an asset and he's into into the NBA. So what it took for him to get to that level was a lot of it was his hard work. But a lot of it is also God given talent meaning that in highschool. He's able to dominate because he's faster in I've been in that situation more athletic. I'm just crushing guys. Just because of that. Now, I'm also good. I got skills. Then you make it to college in something. Similar for him. And Marvin Bagley similar. He was able to bulldog and take people. In the post inches dominate them. And he did that in high school. He did that in college. He gets to the NBA. But a guy who six six who understands leverage who doesn't way as much as him. He's not able to move them the same way. So now he has to understand reverse pivots in different things like that. And it's a process of understanding in. It's also the MBA guys coming in earlier in the fundamentals not being fully developed, in my opinion, that is something that you have to go through. Also, you take into consideration away that the kings play. They play extremely fast the pace of the game is very quick. So some of the chace that you would settle for early on when it's a high leverage moment. It's not that you don't shoot them. It's maybe you create that shot as opposed to taking net shot and the difference in that is ACA walk into three pointer or I could dribble drive create help. Now, someone gets a wide open three pointer. It's a small difference. But in the NBA. That's the difference in winning and losing in being elite team in being a youthful team and understanding time and score. And that's that gap. They still have to kind of bridge. Right. That's the next step is not just winning on their talents or on their chemistry, which I think is fantastic. So you can see this as a team with really good chemistry. But that they've got to actually understand like certain fundamentals and dealing with teams that that really know how to take away their straits. And with that being said our dis guys are learning so fast. That's why I got really good kid. Incredible incredible talent DR in is is learning net. Fast in Marvin is learning fast. And I use those two because last year like in a preseason deer and goes up in. He goes to the basket normally probably like he would and he gets hit. And he lands on his back, and I never seen that happen to a McGinn in reason is he understood that now I have to go in at an angle that when I hit somebody at squares. Me up and I land how I wanna land. And I just it blew me away because I said to myself. Wow, that's on the job training. And I said the same thing for Marvin Bagley we played after his injury. We played the Golden State Warriors right after the break. He gets the ball first possession. Andrea Dallas strip second time. He gets it. A Kevin Durant strip second third time. Kevin Durant strip fourth time. Kevin Durant strip the fifth time that he gets the basketball he reversed pivot. He sees. Kevin Durant arms goes underneath them draws a foul and goes to the free throw line and Kevin starts to laugh, and he walks up to him in pats on the chest. And I said to myself like for just the Laban fan. You don't realize what you just witness us witness at this level? This is the highest level of basketball in this is the best team in basketball, a young kid who is just bursting with talent. And learn right before your eyes. That's why the kings are your head because these guys are learning. So. Fast tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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When you look at where they are. Now was there point in the season where you thought all right? This is for real like I like a month in. It's like, oh, this is nice. But you expect him to fade they've hung in this whole time. What is it that is has made this a defining kind of breakthrough season for them? And and when did you recognize that it was it was real and sustainable, you know, for me Howard? I recognized early on you know, when we were pronounced Keeton and talking about the season. I said. This is probably around the time two kings need to start trending towards forty people are like quad or forty wins. Yeah. Forty wins. And they're like what you know biggest has about twenty five and a half some of the people around here think we're only gonna win sixteen. We just got beat by Golden State Warriors in preseason Christie. You're crazy. But being our team when I played with Lada impatient. All those guys was and makes and people didn't see that happening. But what you threw the ball out there. You say, oh, okay. I get it. And I saw something similar in my opinion with this team, obviously lot leading and understanding and the talent base. I'm a big earn FOX guy. And I think that into days basketball, the point guard is like it's huge because if you think about the point ours and Western Conference, you about some of these point guards in Eastern Conference kyri got Steph, you've got I mean, you can just keep going down the line and the one thing about the earned. Fox's he plays both into the floor. You pair that with Bogue novel. None of it's it can shoot the ball high leverage situations from winning in Europe, but he healed in incredible shooter. And I was really high are Marvin Bagley because I think that he is one of those players that you don't know what he can be. He's six ten he's athletic as anyone in the NBA. He can dribble a little bit you can shoot it a little bit. You put it in a block. Either hand incredibly beautiful, touch and his motor is is first class. So with all that being said. Probably right after ten games for me personally died early in the reason is I was standing out. I can remember the moment. And I'm standing there with grant. And you know, how we do our hits before the game were standing there waiting to go on. And I always look at one end of the court now watch guys warm up, and then I look at the other court, and I kept saying to him I'm going we could be distinct because as a player, you're going through the layup lines, and I would look down, and I'm like, okay kinda see some matchups in. Yeah. All right. We got this now with the kings, wouldn't wow was playing. It was different. We felt that way every single time on course. But and then we would start playing in the style of basketball lend to the fact where you would see guy start grabbing their shorts in in. Like, he's guys are tired like, okay. We could actually beat this team in it. It was a consistent narrative that started happening. And I think. Probably grandma always says after about twenty twenty five games for him. He realizes if a team is real or not. And I think that it even took people probably another ten probably after about thirty games for for me. I was personally. And I was scorned a little bit by by people because they're like, you know, it's great to be optimistic Christie. But you know, what I'm saying basketball is it's a it's interesting game. It's not always that you have the quote unquote best looking players the best players. It's the mix of the jazz music gets the Gumbo. It's does it. Does it taste, right? Does it feel right in one thing that we have is we got we have a locker room from when I'm around them. They enjoy being around each other. They enjoy a being in the gym in working in those are a lot of the similarities that I saw an art team that allowed us to be successful sounds like some of this was just by feel like a little bit of body language. Like, you just saw something in this group that that spoke to you that was beyond. Okay. Which positions are we strongest do we have enough shooting? Do we have obviously those things are there. But there's always that kind of alchemy of about it too. And it sounds like that's what you saw. Well, that's similar if you watch because it would I started the job I was doing radio pre and post in. So the my first year was the first year that Golden State one and not knowing saw that coming. They some good, and I talked to Steve Kerr the very first game was played the kings. So, you know, I'm the new guy. So I'm figuring I'll go into in. You know, maybe ask the question. I I didn't hadn't had a Kahane's asked the question. So I'll wait until he was done. And I said, hey, Steve, you know, you know, what's different this year than you know, market than previously any K, Doug, you know, oddly enough, you you're the guy who's asking me this question. Other people weren't around. It was just me and him. And he goes we Andrew bogut it. And he said we're going to do a lot of the things that you guys did. We're going to pass to him into high post. We're going to cut off of him continuous motion. And we're gonna shoot basketball in thought to myself. Wow. Okay. Because I I always thought that our team was so far ahead of the curb that we've seen a lot of teams copy that Golden State. I even thought who got credited for beautiful basketball was San Antonio Spurs when we played against them their style of basketball wasn't beautiful. But when I watched them Golden State, it was the outcome e it was like, okay. You got shooters out here. You gotta defender. You got a guy who can do, you know Harrison Barnes who we now have kind of that guy who does a little bit of everything, and it just fit bang, and I kind of see something similar with the Sacramento Kings. It's interesting, and I I always think these are the most enjoyable snapshot moments for teams is when they're on the cusp, right? Young team that all of a sudden the town was always there, and you never know in this league can go. Either way and talent doesn't always equal wins. And talent doesn't always equal understanding how to win period like it. There's there's talented others winning basketball. Yes. And to see team that kind of where it all kind of snaps into play. All right. So is that next leap though, right? Whether whether they make the playoffs or not there's that next step. Do you look at this team and see? Okay. It's just now a matter of like internal growth teams that just it's just a matter of guys taking those that natural progression. There's enough talent there or is this a team where you're thinking like, you know, what they're going to lot is going to have to work some magic. And and put some guys around them. What's what do you? What do you think they're outlook is at this moment? You know, I think that the poor of this group, and I consider the core to be Deering, buddy. Bogue done Marvin hairy Harrison. Left anybody out? I think that's about a think that's about the the bowl of it. I think that that is a really really good core. Are there a move or two that you may need to make? Yeah. But I think it's also based upon the pain that they have to go through this year to see who takes that next step as individual players. Harry jowls is taken a step right now this kid man, I could see how he could have been number one overall pick. If he wouldn't have got hurt because he can do you reminds me of C web on court. He grabbed the ball, and he's pomegranate, and he's looking for cutters. The so you pair that with Marvin Bagley if this is what he's doing in step one. He fast forward a year ahead and high school. So he go to college. He's supposed to be a freshman college this year and to watch this kid grow. Then I haven't even got to who I feel is the best player in that is the earned FOX. I mean, he he is special man. I watch him play. I see how he's. Learning how to get buddy. Involve get bold gun involved find their shots for them. But also still be aggressive enough. So when you pair all of that together, we don't know what their next step is going to be. So the delicate situation in I only the TV guy, but died just dig this stuff. I'm a nerd for. It is how far or who. Do you bring in that make sure that their personality does not mess with the continual growth of these guys? I thought Harrison Barnes was an incredible pickup because I think he's exactly what you need. He gives you defense and in in link at the three position, but you can move him around a little bit. But he doesn't need the ball in a way that some players need the ball that could stunt the growth of some of these players. So I thought incredible pickup. So to answer your question. It's this is the delicate part that's hard to say who takes it in. How do they take? Into the summertime, but he'll took into the summertime this guy. I don't know if he ever came out at the gym. He is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen. So I don't think a lot of people saw, but Heald's growth this way. But if you ever see him work out, you'd think in okay, damn this guy can shoot a basketball like nobody's business, and he doesn't leave the gym. And he's trying on defense and he's improving so. That's a good question. Our in that is the Gumbo. That is the thing that you. It's like how do you do it in? I personally out of all the teammates I've ever had. I've said this many times blahdy, it'd be the guy that I would choose to lead them because of his sheared demeanor. And how he goes about it, you you don't know what that big guy knows you think he's using. I know that he uses his his language bear to his advantage. Jesus. Sees a smart one. Yes. He's he's Lois onto a false sense. Joe? Well, listen, I've been you know, a lot of people I have been critical of Laudi in the past. I think it was a little bumpy early on a notes your old teammate. It was bumpy early up down where some missteps, yeah. But they've straightened us out. And they've made some very smart moves of the last couple of years, and I like Harrison Barnes straight as well. That was the right move at the that's a move that if you'd made a year ago, it would have been what are you doing? Yes. This moment. It's that stabilizing force with some experience. Really smart thoughtful player was the right move at the right time. Like, they're they're making good moves now. And now is that question are how much do we just kind of let it kind of Joe and see where it goes. And how much do you, you know, keep working around the edges of it? Where does Dave fit into this in terms of just like he's I feel like he's on the fringes of this coach of the year. There's always like six seven guys for the year. And I feel like he's got to be in that conversation. Given this big lead foam made is there one thing you've noticed about him. We were talking about this before we started recording. You go to a lot of practices. Not every broadcaster. Does that? So you're serving can you get a sense of like, you know, some guys it's just great with the basic schematics. Some guys are personality guys. Some guys are you know, it's the way that they communicate its defining roles. There's all these different coaches at the check Dodd different boxes and not every coach checks all of them. What is it is the one thing about Yeager that you've noticed that has been been a key part of this this leap that made. You know, coach allows me to come to practice, and I truly appreciate it. Because I think that it helps me do what I do. Plus, I just love being in a gym. So I be I don't know be doing if I couldn't go to the gym. But watching him I so we were in Milwaukee. And it was the first time we played the bucks this year. And they just beat the brakes off of us. And we just lost on the other night by a Lhasa by one by last second shot, and that was at home the first one when we lost them was in Milwaukee, and we had been playing really good, and we were trending kind of where people are kind of going. Okay. What's his team going to do? So we go and get beat. But the day before coaching has one of the most incredible practices that I've seen the energy was just and that's part of what he does as I as I've watched him. He he runs incredible practices there. They have a really nice energy to them. He his schematics of drawing up plays and different things. Like that is is fantastic. And I think that as you mentioned certain coaches have certain things in one of the things that I think has been fantastic. Nick has been the the practices because when I when I watch these young players, they're they're searching in looking and of the practice that I've been to have been they've been great. Then I watch coach in his staff in the game talk about some of the same things that I just saw the day before. And I just go. Wow. Okay. Okay. I see how that worked and I see where that came into play in those are just special times for a guy like me who just digs basketball. Yeah. Because he's not a big personality Yeager. He's kind of understated, and you guys still smaller market Kingsmill get quite as much run. You know, he's not getting a lot of attention right now should because if you look at this ballclub, I mean, it's it's come out of nowhere. And that's in oddly enough, similar to what you just said is the kings also fighting for the same type of respect is. Okay. Maybe understated in Sacramento. But when we come to town and something that I've said on air as well is I when I first got back kings haven't been good in some people were like, well, what do you think I said, you know, oddly enough in as I look at them this year, I said when I've been around and kings. They've always been good except for for a couple of years. I said, but the narrative changes when you star smacking people around that's only that's how this game is respected at this level. You can have the best players in name might get respect. But as a team as an organization, you have to go out, and you have to put your foot on people's neck, and you have to do it at a consistent basis. You have to do it when you're supposed to do it. Meaning do you beat the teams that you're supposed to be in? These step up against teams when it's houses game going to go, and you beat those teams as well. Yeah. And you're right. I mean, it's, you know, the respect desert, so you they're kings are getting people's attention. Now, they'll get more if they make a plus or kings fans, you know, I feel like they're probably like, they're so, you know, just beaten down by by a years of bad basketball. And just you know, hope that that vanished before the rise in various times, and it just it just been tough. It's been it's been a tough run. That's really passionate fan base. I know because of all the times that I was there covering the Lakers when they were playing your kings back in the day, like ARCO was rocking. Like that is a phenomenal fan base. But but it's up any fan base is going to wither a little bit during long drought. What is your sense of our fans going to be crushed if they don't make the plants even though they I agree with you there head of schedule right now, but they can kind of taste it right now. So is there a little bit of tension there about well, if they don't make it now, suddenly it's? Disappointments real, you're you're but you get another pick out of that. I think they have their. Oh, they actually not pick his out this right because no no reason not to make. No, I don't think that there is a bit of greediness in. That's good greediness. Because you know, it's like, okay, we're here. Okay. Let's go. And from the fans, I told I totally get that. Which means that. Now, the the hope the the bar has moved. So since the bar has moved now. The expectations are higher and the fact that there's expectations put on the kings. I think is a really good thing. And a lot of the fan base. First of all, they're incredible. It was a little different at the beginning of the season. Because now with the new arena, there's so many different things to watch in this new arena. I mean, golden one center is incredible. So when you go in, you know, you're there for basketball, but he you wanna walk around and see this guy, restaurants and all these different things. And it's something that I'm experiencing throughout the NBA is when the ball jumps not everyone's in their seats will go I in ARCO arena, when we ran out at a tunnel that was the show, and it would explode, and it would be that way until the end of the game will now it's a little different and write about this almost like an LA fan base back in the day. You know, how they would kind of come in. And before you know, it the place will be full and then at half time in about the third quarter. Okay to places full again. And. That's kind of what you experienced. But it's more because of the building the fan base. I think has has the right feel about them. I can I'm going around and community again, I can kind of feel that that sense of urgency net excitement about it everything is kings. When I walk in someplace they wanna talk about the kings and as opposed to earlier on like last year. It was like, hey doing you. Remember when you guys played, you know, they were good. Yeah. And that's okay because that's earn thing. And I think this team is first of all running the fan base is trust they've earned their respect by going out. And losing understand losing some of these games. Meaning that he got to go through the heartbreak it's part of the process that you go through where you get really close. And it pains you so much as a player, and I'm going to add to fans in here that you go away in the summertime, and you do all the things that you're supposed to do to take that next step in. A fan base has to go through that same pain. Because then they that's where the passion comes in. 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But nothing like I mean, we haven't even in. This is what I tell them that these young guys want to talk to them. It's like, you don't really know yet. You're getting close. I I don't remember the game. But the other night, I I wasn't on because Jerry Reynolds who took over the job the legend. Yes. The legend himself. He does ten home games. So I went back to my old job. And I was doing pre imposed on television. And I sit up on perch at the main entrance, and I can kind of look down bird's eye view over the floor. And I don't remember the game. But there was a bucket a steel embody. He'll get ready to shoot at three. And I went oh boy. Oh, boy, I could feel it. They were just on the press. Of just absolute they were gonna explode. He missed the shot. And I said to myself because Jamestown was sitting next to me who is the kings inside or and I said did you feel there? And he was like, wow. Yeah. It's it's not there yet. They're getting near the learning how to use the building because that's another thing of young team. They don't know quite how to how do we use our fan base? How how how do they help us? And that's a that's a thing as well. It's a it's a small thing. But for the team, it's a huge thing. And it when that happens, in my opinion, I think the cow Bill comes back. Hold on the there's a cow bell app. I only read there's an app China. Also know it's like so what I o. Oh, you know, what I saw is someone with their phone, and there's a picture of a cowboy, and when you know when you shake the phone or or. Yeah. E pivoted like cow Bill. Yeah. Yeah. I believe that a kings fan actually invented that. It's not just like some farmer in. That's too disrespectful for me, there certain things that you just don't you? Okay. You don't go over the cowbell. That's one thing you, you gotta go, and you gotta buy your cow Bill, and you gotta bring it defense. Technology's great it is. I know that the phone is a lot less heavy than actual cowbell. Those things are heavy doesn't matter. You got to gotta to bring it back in the day. When you guys were at you peak and Arca was rocking. And those cowbells were out the average fan the viewers hearing them on TV, right? Yeah. That's how they're hearing. It. Maybe there's a shot, you know, ESPN cameras are NBC cameras probably turning them showing them. Here's what people didn't realize the biggest contingent of people with cowbells were the ones who were sitting behind the visitors bench. Yes. And the media seating at that time for the visiting media was right next to the visitor's benched. Right. So when they were all leaning forward as of noxious Lee as possible try to rattle the Lakers with their cowbells knows. That was over my head. Yeah. Yeah. So we got the full effect of it. And it was like it's annoying up there to to work. But, but it was awesome. It was there was there was nothing else. Like in the league. They're allowed crowds Portland back in the day. The rose garden rocked. Utah rocked Seattle the garden, of course, there there are places that you knew where the loudest arenas, but ARCO had a unique feel partially because it was a Bandbox this tiny as old arena. Like be this be clear as a facility it was pretty poor. But as a five as an environment, it was incredible. And the cowbells gave it its own unique sense to it. And so like, I I enjoyed that. I probably didn't enjoy in the moment. Right. But nostalgia. So so let's talk about back in the day a little bit before before. I let you go. You were acquired by the kings in two thousand writing the Lakers of just come off their first championship with shack and Kobe, and I remember there was a period of time when the Lakers had Shagged where initially all the Western Conference rivals were loading up on big because they needed extra fouls or guys who could just deal with him. Typically, right, right. And then there was a wave of teams, grabbing what was we didn't call. There was no sitting no such thing as three and d back then like that wasn't a term, right. But that's kind of what it was. So the Spurs gotta go out and get Boeing, and I think that's when the blazers got Ruben Patterson and kings, get you do did you was that the inter standing when you got there like we need somebody who can who can deal with Kobe, Brian not stop. There's only the only Kobe stopper, Ruben Patterson and Patterson, but that was you had some battles. And that was that was kind of your your job for for a lot of obviously not the whole season. But did you think that was a big part of of your acquisition? You know? You no to be honest with you. I I kind of in. This was the this is that goes back to the thing that we're talking about about the vibe and understanding I could score the basketball. But as I as I sat back, and I looked at our team. I said that's not really what we need. We'll need it on nights offense. Exactly. So, you know, some nice I get thirty so nice. I'd get twenty most nights at get about sixteen points. But where I would use the most is I would say, okay, I'm gonna lock up my guy, whichever it's going to be two or three on defensive in in in a lot of times. Once we got Mike. I'm also run offense. So on offense sometimes arrest that was that was, you know, take bring the ball down. Go through a little something passed the ball. You know, set a handout dribble. Handoff her. And so it was. Wasn't understood in that way. But it was understood for me because all I wanna do is win. So once I saw the formula for us to win. I was all in. I said, okay. This makes total sense to me. You know, I'm gonna guard the best point guard or I'm Bogarde the best two or three dead matter. Whoever it is. That's going to be my guy. You guys were I like our younger listeners here. You know, if you have if you don't if you didn't see the kings of that era, and you don't know about them like go find it on YouTube. You guys were the most enjoyable team of that era. I felt like covered shacking Kobe for seven years. And obviously, I watched a lot of really great basketball. Right. But you guys at that time were what we think of the warriors to an extent. Now, the Phoenix Suns of the mid to thousands. You guys were all about pace you're about the ball moving. You talked about, you know, see Weber or Vlada Byan, you know. You know in the high post and moving the ball, and that was a beautiful offense that was fun. And you guys the Lakers were the most team with you guys were the most enjoyable team of the air. Did you did you feel that did you know, it like this was like that you guys were it's funny because I look back your pace was definitely as high as I remember it relative to the rest of the league. I think he has led the league in pace. But I thought I remember you guys me more of a three point shooting team. And you guys actually turns out we're kind of middle of the pack. But you know, you guys would launch the pull up three which back then was still kind of shunned shot. Right. And that happened that I think probably more often with you guys than team was it as much fun as it was from the outside. Did you guys really? Did you cognizant of how different you words than the rest of league? A yeah. Actually, we were because when you travel with vodka divas pays covets and hito Turkoglu every city that you go in as like a rock band coming because they had a contingent of Turkish fans of. Serbian fans when we come to New York the upper bowl will be full in VI. I mean, just like, wow. You know, we pull out or pull in and they are lying on each side. So from that standpoint when you hit the floor, it was it was interesting mix all of a sudden the ball was star hopping around, and it was start moving in to kind of bring it to today as well as when I talked to people about the kings pace, I say there are many ways to play with pace one is to do it the way the kings are doing that is just a forced down because you have Lamborghini in the air and files, but you can also play with pace by the ball moving around. Meaning that Vlada wasn't the fastest guy running. Chris wasn't a fast guy run. But we played with pace because it's kind of like soccer like you make you make a pass. But then there's a quick second pass. And then the third passes the guy that was on the other side of court, but he's moving already. So there's a flow invive to it. But when we got out there on the floor. It was just it was it was special. It was something. And we what we would. Say is that the king show is coming down? And when it came to town a lot of people were excited to see an excited to watch. We don't get as much credit because we didn't win a championship. That's why I say, you know, Spurs with beautiful basketball. And I'm thinking come up, really, you know, I mean, add some great players. But the our style of basketball was the forefather of a lot of what we see dude. Look, you mentioned the the sons, you know, they were the get it up and down shoot the three ball and a lot of things, but they never got past us. And when you we talk about Golden State Steve Kerr said his much to me, but they implemented in my opinion, three ball in a way, different fashion than we ever did. But if you watch them, they're always trying to get layups that was something similar that. We did especially when we played the Mavericks in the playoffs. We'd go in there practicing. They had banners on the wall. It said how many layups that we got because it made them that mad be. Because is coach career who is the great coach from from Princeton in one of our assistant coaches would always say, you know, watched the guy in front of you. He'll tell you what to do. And if he tells you go back door, go back door, son. And that's how you get a lot of layups when you got passing big guys meaning that every single person on our team could pass dribble shooting pivot, everyone now some in certain areas to a different extent. No one shot the ball like Pasia the post game and a pivot game of Latvian Chris was different than some of our guards. But everybody could do everything which changed the whole complexion of the game. He didn't see a lot of big is grab the rebound and take two or three dribbles to start to break. It was always you grabbed a ball to guard comes back. He gets the basketball. That's slows us now. Will if Chris grabbed a basketball and takes two dribbles needs saying don't wait Doug run by the time. He hits me I'm on top of the other guy. And now that leads to a trill jumps. For Chris or Vlada or whatever. So it was we I think we had understanding a Sports Illustrated cover probably help that and help people understand the greatest show on court. But it was mighty mighty about a fun. Yeah. No. And it was a blast to watch as well. And yes, the Sports Illustrated cover people should go back and read that one too because I I remember that that was the that that they captured you guys. Yes, they did. Was random thought I didn't get going through notes. Just like reminiscing. A while. I putting notes together about your air and everything else. Do we think? Plotting might be the last special time smoker to have played in the NBA. That's a good question. Right. Last time. I came across a player who actually like most likely. Yeah. I would say that's a I mean, it's all charter stink tion culture different era a lot of. Yeah. You could be right. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. He's not still as quick by. I don't know. That's a good question. I don't hang out with him. When I see I never did. Even even when we played I just remember because me, and blah they've been together since he was in the Lakers when I was rookies, right? Yes. I've known. Yeah. We go back a long time. You're disavow those kings teams not to dredge up bad memories. But I mean that we think of the Lakers being the dominant team of the because they won three in a row. So there are a dynasty. They won three in a row. That's legit. That's that's just how these things go. But I always bring up to people how close it was to being one instead of three because in year one of their therefore lampien ship. Yeah. They're down fifteen points in fourth quarter of game seven in the Western Conference finals to Portland amazing comeback. They absolutely of course, earned it. They win that one day roll year to and then your year Western Conference finals, obviously there's the much disputed disgust debated. Controversial game. Six with officiating issues, and it goes to game seven, and you guys have a chance in overtime of games. I mean, it goes to overtime at ARCO arena. So two things about that one was about had the the thin line between dynasty and just a title or maybe two instead of three because they could have easily lost that one. You guys could have easily been the one in the finals beaten up on the nets. But to it's how we perceive both the Portland team and your team because that Parlanti stacked. We're team was stacked. And you're right like when you said a few minutes ago that you guys don't really get the credit in retrospect, you probably deserve because you didn't have tattled behind it. But you guys went like I jotted down last night. I mean, it went a forty four wins and a first round loss to fifty five wins the next year and then swept by the Lakers in the second round sixty one and sixty one in a one zero two when you lose in the conference finals to them. And you guys were freaking good. You know, it's so the the second year when we. We were swept by them, which is your first year in we when we go sixty one. So you in competition. It's it's weird. Whether you win or lose sometimes doesn't mean what it would it mean to means. That's the finality. That's what the fancy, but when you competing, you know, you know, when you look across you know, and I think they knew we were better team. We didn't beat them. But in my opinion, we were better team. I think if they were honest with themselves, they would they would say as much because if you look at the this Amaki Walker game, I think that was game three is at the half court. He had to have for he didn't account and that was the derogatory shot at the end of the game. We think we are by twenty and a first quarter. I mean, just sheared domination. Just I mean, there's not it's old school basketball compared to this new school basketball, but we weren't able to to close the doors a lot of different reasons. In ways that the I sit around and still to this day because I studied basketball, so I try to figure out different things. But that's the one thing that that. I always that always say to myself is the you know because in different situations. I knew like manna team is really good. They're coming. But I always thought our team that particular team was better than than we just didn't win on paper. Doug. And I've said this before too, and I've written this you used to do those old in the newspapers you would always have for playoff matchups. Do you go up Severson center? You check the box who has the advantage would do by position. And then you would coach you do bench tangible. Check by shack. Check by Kobe. Check by Phil Jackson. He's fill every check would go to you guys and in Portland series. Every check went to Portland that wasn't shot Koby fill the Lakers. I mean, look that's supporting cast was phenomenal in the way they fit around. Those guys Rick Fox Robert ory, Fisher, Brian Shaw, those guys, but talent wise what you guys had him. Again, what Portland had reported part of to this depth and advantages at so many other positions. You're right. Like, I if somebody said the kings were the better team, though, they lost. I wouldn't argue it like it's a legit debate. Right. You guys were that good. All right. So tell me if I'm if I'm wrong to have this particular interpretation of things like obviously covering the Lakers back, then I'm covering more of their side of it. It doesn't it's not a bias. But it is when you're immersed in. It writes, a little you see more of the team that you're you're near everyday, right? Then the team. So I think my views could be colored a little bit by that again not. On. I don't care what the Lakers won or lost. If they lost. I get to go home earlier and take my vacation. In fact, you're one of that run. I missed what am I close friends, weddings because they went fineness, and I was counting on them losing as they were down fifteen in game seven, right? And as I explained to have the conversation with Rick Fox at one of those years where I said, this is not the personal man when you guys are done. I'm done like, I don't I don't need to cover the finals. It's fine. So it's not that. But here's what I've always said about two thousand to whatever people say about the efficient in game six I haven't gone back and watched but you had a game seven at home the end. It went overtime. I think patient Chris might have both been a little bit banged up. And so there was there was something to that too. In terms of just like your your offense wasn't there? But but guys you had the chance of so my feeling is always this whatever happened in game six whatever people want to say about game six, and no I'm not even going to the place of conspiracies and all that stuff. If you think it was there was something wrong fine. There was a chance. Game seven at home. Is it is fair for me to say, listen, whatever, you think the kings still had their chance, and they blew it. Absolutely. We missed free throws. If that game if you ever go back and look at the free, those I want to say, we miss fourteen then we go to double overtime overtime, or whatever. I mean, we we had multiple opportunities. I think pays you had a shot in a corner as well. I had a even heave at the buzzer. Listen, that's it. That's why they're the champions. They figured out a way to make it happen in what you have to listen to. If you go back and look at all championship teams. There's a moment where things could go the other way down fifteen to Portland at home for quarter. It happens. Overtime sacramento. Chris banged up. Pasia myself doesn't matter you're on court. That's what champions do they figure out a way to make it happen where we a better team. Yeah. I'll always say that in. That's the one thing about competition when you're honest with yourself, and you look across from you. And before that, we were not they beat us in a beat a soundly, and we kept tweaking in making things in all of a sudden, we started to gain the confidence in different things in oddly enough when you win a championship, and I did not. But I watched how many teams do it like a Golden State even the Lakers once they win one. They usually win a couple because the confidence goes to another level and all of a sudden, although Shasta Steph was taken now they're starting to go in Kobe's next level shacks just dominant and one goes to three. And Golden State goes from one to four and five years, whatever you, you know, in that's and it's not just the competence of the star. It's also the confidence of all the people that are around them that they've been in the moment in a moment. And I think even for us as a team it went from you know, winning in the first round too beating Utah in coming into our building in winning the first game. But looking at each other and going, you know, we're really good. Let's go in and beating them consistently beating Dallas, and those that gives you confidence. But to take that that next step that it's hard one today. Yeah. You guys still talk about it? I mean, you've got a lot of you mentioned earlier Bobby Jackson's around and a lot of and pays your front office and see webs doing TNC. And so guys are like this. Is it still thing is that is it not really no not too much. You know, we're a lot of fans will say something. So we'll we'll talk about ends now. Yeah. You know, the like for you. I don't go back and watch. It's be, you know, on top of the fact, it's hard for me to watch myself. And now as I've trained and I've looked at basketball differently. There's so many different things that I think that I would have done different that I find that difficult to watch too. Now, that's I can imagine those. I mean, I do it in my own career. You know, like, I think about that era that maybe I didn't properly appreciate what I was covering as I was interesting. Oh, I totally get you. And yeah, I like, I, you know, I it's it's a natural thing. And I'm working on some other stuff on the side to where I'm reflecting back on that era and of basketball and get I mean, it's the same like, I'll go I cringed stories I've written so right? I can only imagine if you're watching replays on YouTube that are there for the. I see. What are you doing? Yeah. All right before I let you go. Actually, I should bring up the one cringe worthy moment that I meant to ask you about you've versus Rick Fox at a preseason game. It was season. So again, folks, it's it's on YouTube actually comes up. It's like the first hit. If you do Doug Christie Rick Fox fight a preseason game. They brawled in a preseason game at Staples Center because that's what rivalries were actually backed or like back to the glorify violence. I read saying I don't want to be one of those guys who says it was better back in the day when everybody could beat up on each other. But it tits speak to the intensity of how much those teams hated each other. And it also spoke to this which was that the off the court you and Rick Fox or both like two of the best guys anybody could meet and the average fan of walked up to you. But on the court you for different Rick particular, Rick at a bit of an edge there. So the fight happens. You guys started to court, and then you run to the back hallway, and it continues in the in the back hallways of Staples. And your wife Jackie gets into it with her parse. Yeah. Yeah. What do you remember that, you know, oddly enough, I so like central New York, this is where I learned that toughness of the NBA because I was with Pat Riley with the Knicks and back. Remember, you'd get fined if you picked a teammate up or opponent up off the floor. Like you knock them down. They're down. Let's go would this us versus you. And that is a little bit lost in today's game. There needs to be a little bit of disdain for one another to take in my opinion in in crush the opponent. That is a must. So when you say preseason game people go preseason. Yeah. It was preseason that was that was the year after the overtime loss. And there were a lot of things said in different stuff. And as you mentioned a really nice guy but chippy on court. I'm the I'm the same way. Once I step inside. Those lines competitions going to go. To the next level. And I feel that that's the way that it should be afterwards. We can be friends if you want to that's fine most times, probably not. But the point is it's there we can go out and have a glass of wine and what eat, but once that went to that level. I was getting ready to go to fans are booing. They're going crazy. And I'm getting ready to run off to court in Bobby Jackson those here. Now, he says Doug watch out. You know, he he, you know, Rick took off running. So to me, you know, coming from the inner city, you you like, okay, if he's running you start multiplying. He's probably running around, you know. So I go from running to stop and walk. So by the time, you know, now, we're the reason that they put those covers over the tunnels because people were throwing stuff at us. So, you know, I it went to the back and all of a sudden, I never saw my wife. I saw that on the ball post game for but. You know once that happened. It got so aggressive in there. She was sitting so close that I looked at her. I said, you know, come to the back because I'm thinking, you know, I'm done, you know, we're going to be getting ready to go here. So that that's kind of how that happened shack around around, and he pushed Vlada, and it, you know, it was it was intense. But I mean for something as Epoca's people saw the previous year game seven, you know, Sacramento versus LA big city small city, you know, team versus superstars all those different things. I think it all spilled to that moment, which was unfortunate. Because you don't you know, it doesn't necessarily need to get to that point. But the point is it meant so much. It was so much that you're willing to go that far and Nova science kids, but you know, that that's that's that's. It's all it's all part of the game in. I I've talked to Rick on a radio interview a sense. And it was it was all good. Yeah. You you Rick. You're you're cool with it. And I have never seen. I've never seen him. We were. I did. I did an interview for the NBA at not last year year before his all star break, they called me. And we're like we'd love to interview you, and I was like, oh, yes. Sure. It is at one caveat. You know, Rick Fox is one of the guys interviewing the, okay, I said, yeah, I'm okay. If he's okay. So we got on and we laughed and talked, and, you know, whatever, it's, you know, it's part of the lower and all the different things that come along with great rivalries in in battles. Yeah. No doubt. It was it was fun back. Then it was it was a little chippy at times. Interesting controversial hard feelings. But but but never boring. No it was. Yeah. No, it was it was a lot of fun. Loved like, I say love covering those series Lakers against your teams. Loved watching your teams it was it was a blast. And I'm looking forward to seeing this young crew that the kings have now get to that level. In fact, here's my northern California by kicking in as a barrier. Kid who also went to school at UC Davis down the road from the king's like to see a first round of kings warriors, which has never happened would be just be now granted the kings are not ready for that. Now. But still that would matter that would be a blast notice respect to the clippers anybody else fighting for the, but I kind of, you know, for entertainment purposes, and just say, my my nor Cal roots kicking in for a moment. Sacramento versus Golden State would be a lot of fun. And also because you know, as the kings are on the rise. Here the words are kinda tipsy stage. So we don't know where they're heading. And so the potential for that to become a real thing in the next few years that could be a lot of fun. Yeah. It would be it would be special to to imagine. That's never happened would be justed. That's nut. So but also similar to we had to go through with the Lakers. There's a championship team. Here's a team knit is dominant is you'll get. You gotta go through them. And you got to figure out the recipe and the intensity and all the different things that go along with it that would just be next level and bring back to cowbells and not cowbell apps folks, if I get to go to one center, eventually if I see any any cowbell apps, I'm going to scorn, you I won't go Rick Fox on you because I don't have the Rick box most back up. I don't believe in violence. I want to see real cowbells Sacramento when I get back there. Doug christie. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak. Great times.

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Doug Christie, Enes Kanter, and Metta World Peace

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Doug Christie, Enes Kanter, and Metta World Peace

"And in what up it's the full forty eight powered back senior n._b._a. Writer for bleacher report and yes folks. I'm still winding down vacation. Hopefully you've been enjoying join the the final days of summer yourself but we got this great best of episode put together by our super producer stacy sarah pulling excerpts from it three of my favorite conversations conversations from this past season. We've got doug christie. The former king's gore and now kings broadcaster talking about his battles with the lakers dynasty with shack kobe. We got into talking about political activism and turkey effects on his career and we got metta world peace the former runner test talking about the malice at the palace mental health and the n._b._a. And of course talking about the documentary produced by my buddies bleacher report quiet storm the run our test story story which if you haven't seen it folks do yourself a favor go find that the documentary was fantastic and these three conversations were a lot of fun but i've got new guess it coming soon new episodes coming soon promise just getting underway here in september training camps or just a couple of weeks away. Maybe three or four weeks away and a lot talk about as we start ramping up some guests and new episodes coming soon i promise but first this final episode starting with doug doug christie now joined live from an undisclosed location in midtown manhattan by doug christie. Thank you for joining me doug or thank you for allowing me to join you in your. Let's just say modestly sized hotel room here in midtown manhattan with a makeshift studio here here but it's convict it works. I mean you know it's different when you're the guy when you're a player you don't you don't get the biggest room. You're gonna say motel. Just not the biggest rooms yeah you got you got. You got the sweets when you're although that's even there's a pecking order. They're like when back in the day. I'm sure see web probably have different different size room then. Maybe you're pasia. Yeah you know in a lot of times it just depends on the player because if you do want a sweet they will get you sweet sweet but you have to pay the extra for the suite so they pay your regular room rate initiative you wanna sweet you can bump up to a sweet if that's what you so choose but if but if you're the star of the team just kind of takes care of that yeah you know what that's a good question. I think they charge you but you never know in. There's always a pecking order and everything. I don't know how that functions or how that plays into the salary cap either right like how many how many suites can you bump the star up before it becomes a cap. Is there an exception. They're sweet exception no so let's talk about <hes> back in the day a little bit before before i let you go you were acquired by the kings in two thousand writing the lakers have just come off their first championship with shaq and kobe and i remember there was a period of time when the lakers had shack were initially all the western conference rivals were loading up on bigs because they needed extra fouls or just guys who could just deal with him ethically right right and then there was a wave of teams teams grabbing. What was we didn't call it. There was no such thing as three and d back then like that wasn't a term but that's kind of what it was so the spurs get go out and get bowen and i think it's the blazers got ruben patterson and kings get you do did you was that the understanding when you got there. They're like we need somebody who can who can deal with kobe brian not stop. There's only kobe stopper was ruben patterson and patterson but that was you had some battles and that was that was kind of your your job for for a lot of obviously. It's not the whole season but yeah. Did you think that that was a big part of of your acquisition. You know no to be honest with you. Oddly enough i kind of in this was the this is that goes back to the thing that we're talking about about about the vibe and understanding i could score the basketball but as i as i sat back and i looked at our team. I said that's not really what we need and we'll need it on nights. Exactly so you know some nights i get thirty so nice. I'd get twenty most nights at get about sixteen points but where i would use most is i would say okay. I'm gonna lockup my guy. Whatever it's going to be the two or three on on defensive in in in a lot of times once we got mike. I'm also run offense so on offense sometimes arrest that was that was you know i'd take the bring. The ball down go to something passed the ball. You know a hand dribble handoff and so it wasn't understood understood in that way but it was understood for me because all i wanna do is win. So once i saw the formula for us to win. I was all in and i said okay this. This makes total sense to me. You know i'm gonna guard the best point guard or i'm <unk> guard. The best two or three doesn't matter whoever it is. That's going to be my guy. You guys were younger. Listeners here if you have if you don't if you didn't see the kings of that era and you don't know about them like go find it on youtube do you guys were the most enjoyable team of that era. I felt like i got covered shaq and colby for seven years and obviously i watched a lot of really great basketball right but you guys at that time were what we think of the warriors to an extent now the phoenix suns of the mid two thousand. You guys were all about pace. You're about the ball moving. You talked about about you know being in high post moving the ball and that was beautiful offense. That was fun and you. You guys are the lakers down at team with air. You guys were the most enjoyable team of the era did you did you feel that. Did you know it like this was like that. You guys were it's funny because they look back. Your pace was definitely as high as i remember it relatives of the rest of the league. I think you guys led the league in pace but i thought i remember gives me more of a three point shooting team and you guys is extra turns out. We're kind of middle of the pack yeah but you know you guys would launch the pull up three which back then was still kind of a shunned shot and that happened that i think probably more often with you. You guys in seem as much fun as it was from the outside. Did you guys really did you have how different than the rest of the league a yeah actually actually we were because when you travel with vlada divas peyser story arc of its in hito turkogle every city that you go in as like a rock band coming because they had a contingent of turkish fans of serbian fans when we come to new york the upper bowl will be full by i mean just like wow you know we pull out or pull in and they are lying on each side so from that standpoint when you hit the floor it was it was an interesting mix. All of a sudden the ball was star hopping around and it was start moving in to kind of bring it to today as well as when i talked to people people about the kings pace i say there are many ways to play with pace. One is to do it the way the kings are doing. That is just a forced down because you haven't lamborghini andy aaron fox but you can also play with pace by the ball moving around meaning that wasn't the fastest. I run in chris wasn't a fast guy run but we played with pace because it's kind kinda like soccer like you make you make pass but then there's a quick second pass and then the third passes the guy that was on the other side of the court but he's moving already so there's a flow flow in a vibe to it but when we got out there on the floor it was just it was it was special. It was something we would say is the king show is coming imminent town and when it came to town a lot of people were excited to see an excited to watch. We don't get as much credit because we didn't win a championship. That's why i say you know at spurs with beautiful basketball and i'm thinking oh come on really you know i mean add some great players but our style of basketball was the forefather of a lot of what we see did look at you mentioned this the sons of the you know they were the get it up and down shoot the three ball and a lot of things but they never got past us and when you when you talk about golden state steve kerr said as much to me but they implemented lamented in my opinion three ball in a way different fashion than we ever did but if you watch them they're always trying to get layups. That was something similar that we did. Especially really we played the mavericks in the playoffs we'd go in their practice facility and they had banners on the wall that said how many layups that we got because it made them that mad because coach correal who is the the great coach from from princeton in one of our assistant coaches would always say watch the guy in front of you. He'll tell you what to do and if he tells you go go back door. Go back door son and that's how you get a lot of layups when you got passing big guys meaning that every single person on our team could pass dribble shooting pivot everyone now some in certain areas to a different extent no one shot the ball like pasia <hes> the post game and the pivot game of lottie and the chris was different than some of our guard but everybody could do everything which changed the whole complexion of the game. He didn't see a lot of big guys. Grab the rebound and take two or three read dribbles a start to break. It was always you grabbed. A ball to guard comes back. He gets the basketball less slows us now will if chris grabbed a basketball and takes two dribbles rebels needs saying don't wait doug run by the time he hits me. I am on top of the other guy and now that leads to a trill jump shot for chris or vlada or whatever whatever so it was we we i think we had a understanding a sports illustrated cover probably help that and help people understand the greatest show on court but but it was mighty mighty about a fun yeah no and it was a blast to watch <hes> as well and yes the sports illustrated cover people. Go back and read that one too because i i remember that that was <hes> that that they captured you guys yes. They did random thought. I i didn't get going through notes reminiscing wallace putting notes together about your air and everything else do we think they might be the last spill time smoker to have played in the n._b._a. That's a good question right. Last time. I came across a player who actually like most likely yeah i would say that's a i mean. Culture stink tion <hes> culture different era a lot of different. Yeah you could be right yeah most definitely yeah. He's not still quick by i. I don't know that's a good question. I don't hang out with him. What i see i never did even even when we played. I just remember because me and blah. They've been together since a he was in the lakers when i was rookies right. Yes i've known yeah we we go back a long time. You're disavow those kings teams to dredge up you know bad memories but i mean that we think of the lakers being the dominant team of the air because they won three in a row so there are dynasty. They won three in a row. That's legit. That's that's just how these things go but but i always bring up to people how close it was to being one instead of three because in year one of their therefore limping ship yeah they're down fifteen points in and fourth quarter of game seven in the western conference finals to portland amazing comeback absolutely of course earned it they win that one day role year to and then your or year western conference finals obviously there's the much disputed discussed debated controversial game six with officiating issues and it goes to game seven and you guys guys have a chance in overtime of game goes to overtime at arco arena so two things about that one was about had the thin line between dynasty and just title or maybe two instead of three <hes> because they could have easily lost that one you guys could easily be the one in the finals beaten up on the nets but to it's how we perceive receive both the portland team and your team because that was stacked team was stacked. You and you're right when you said a few minutes ago that you guys don't really get the credit in retrospect yeah. You probably deserve <hes> because you didn't have tattled behind it but you guys went like i jotted down last night. I mean it went forty. Four wins in a first round loss to fifty five wins the next year and then swept by the lakers in the second round sixty one and sixty one min one two when you lose in the conference finals to them and you guys were freaking good. You know it's so that the second year when we we were swept by them. Which is your first year in in an we when we go sixty one so you in competition. It's it's weird. <hes> whether you win or lose sometimes doesn't mean what would it mean to means. That's the finality that's what the fancy but when you competing you know you know when you look across you know and then i think they knew we were better team. We didn't beat them but in my opinion we were better team and i. I think if they were honest with themselves they would. They would say as much much because if you look at the this samaki walker game. I think that was game. Three is at the half court he <hes> have cor didn't account and that was the derogatory shot at the end of the game. We think we're twenty in the first quarter. I mean just sheer domination. Just i mean there's not it's old school basketball compared to this new school basketball but we weren't able to to close the door. There's a lot of different reasons in ways that i sit around and still to this day because i studied basketball so i try to figure out different things but that's the one thing that that i always that always say to myself as the you know because in different situations i knew like men at team is really good. They're they're coming but i always thought our team. That particular team was better than them. We just didn't win on paper doug. I've said this before too and i've written this. You used to do those old in the newspapers. You would always have playoff matchups. You'd go yup. Senator senator you check the box. The advantage would do position by position and the new coach you do bench handrails check by shack yeah check by kobe check by phil jackson. He's fill every other check would go to you guys and in portland series. Every check went to portland. That wasn't shocked. Kobe phil yeah the lakers. That's supporting cast was phenomenal in the way they fit around. Those guys rick fox robert ory derek fisher brian shaw those guys but talent wise what you guys had him in a again portland had reported that are to this depth an advantage. Is that so many other positions. You're right like i if somebody said. The kings were the better team though they lost. I wouldn't argue it like it's a legit debate you guys. Were that good all right so tell me if i'm if i'm wrong to have this this particular interpretation of things like obviously covering the lakers back then i'm covering more of their side of it it doesn't it's not a bias but it is when you're immersed in it writes a little you see see more of the team that you're you're near every day right near the team so i think my views could be colored by that again by i don't care what the lakers won or lost if they lost get to go home earlier and take my vacation in fact you're one of that run i missed one of my closest friends weddings because they went to the finals and i was counting on them losing as they were down fifteen in game seven avenue and as i explained to have the conversation with rick fox at one of those years right so this is nothing personal man when you are done. I'm done i don't. I don't need to cover the finals. That's fine so it's not that but here's what i've always said about two thousand to whatever people say about the efficient in game six going back and watched but you had a game seven at home the uh and it went over time the i think patient chris might have both been a little bit banged up and so there was there was something to that too in terms of just like your offense offense. Wasn't there but you guys you had the chance of so my feeling is always this whatever happening game six whatever people want to say about game six and no i'm not even going to the place of conspiracies and all that stuff but if you think it was there was something wrong fine. There was a chance game seven at home is it. Is it fair for me to say hey listen whatever you think king still had their chance and they blew it. Absolutely we missed free throws if that game if you ever go back and look at the free thousand once we miss fourteen fourteen double overtime overtime or whatever i mean we we had multiple opportunities. I think page had shot in the corner as well <hes> i i had a even a heave at the buzzer. Listen that's it. That's why they're the champions. They figured out a way to make it happen n._s. What you have to do this if you go back and look at all championship teams. There's a moment where things could go the other way down fifteen to portland at home fourth quarter. It happens overtime sacramento. Chris banged up pasia myself doesn't matter you're on the court. That's what champions do they figure out a way to make it happen. <hes> we're a better team. Yeah i always say that and that's the one thing about competition when you're honest with yourself and you look across from you and before that we were not they beat us beat a soundly and we kept tweaking and making things and all of a sudden we started to gain confidence in different things and oddly enough when you win a championship and i did not but i watched how many teams do it like a golden state even the lakers once they win one. They usually really win couple because the confidence goes to another level and all of a sudden all those steph was taken now. They're starting to go in kobe's next level shacks just dominant and one goes to three and going stay goes from one to four and in five years or whatever you you know in. That's an it's not just the competence of the star. It's also the confidence of all the people that are around them that they've been in the moment women in the moment in and i think even for us as a team it went from <hes> you know winning in the first round too beating utah in them coming into into our building in winning the first game us looking at each other and going. You know we're really good. Let's go in and beating them consistently beating dallas and those that gives you confidence but to take that next step that it's a hard one to take you guys still talk about it. I mean you've got a lot of you. Mentioned earlier bobby jackson's around rounded front office and see webs doing tnc and so guys are running. This is still a thing. Is it not really no not not too much. You know when we're a lot of fans will say something so we'll talk about you know the like for for you. I don't go back and watch it. You know on top of the fact. It's hard for me to watch myself and now as i've trained and i've looked at basketball differently. There's so many different things things that. I think that i would have done different that i find that difficult to watch too. I i can imagine i mean i do it in my own career. You know like i think about that era. That didn't properly appreciate what i was covering as i was interesting. I totally get you and yeah you know. It's it's a natural thing and i'm working on some other stuff on the side to where i'm reflecting back on that era and basketball and yeah i mean it's the same that guy i cringe at old stories. I've written so right. I know i can only imagine if you're watching replays on youtube that are there see. What are you doing yeah all right before. I let you go. Actually i bring up the the one cringe worthy moment that i meant to ask you about <hes>. You've versus rick fox in a preseason game season so again folks. It's it's on youtube. Sube actually comes up. I if you do doug christie rick fox fight a preseason game they brawled in a preseason game at staples center because that's what rivalries were actually back or like back glorify violence saying i don't want to be well as guys says it was better back in the day when everybody could beat up on each other but it did speak to the intensity city of how much those teams hated each other and it also spoke to this which was that they off the court you and rick fox both like two of the best guys anybody could meet all right and the average fan walked up to you but on the court for different rick particular rick at a bit of an edge there so the fight happens you guys started court and then you run to the back hallway and it continues in the back hallways of staples and your wife jackie gets into it with her parse yeah yeah yeah remember that you know oddly enough. I like center in new york. This is where i learned that toughness of the n._b._a. Because i was with pat riley with the knicks and back remember you'd get fined. If you pick the team made up of our opponent up off the floor like you knock them down downs go would this us versus you and that is a little bit lost and in today's game there needs to be a little bit of disdain for one another to take in my opinion in in crush the opponent that is a must so when you say preseason game people go pre we season preseason that was that was the year after the overtime loss and there were a lot of things said and different stuff and as as you mentioned a really nice guy but chippy on court i'm the i'm the same way once i step inside those lines the competition's going to go to the next level and i feel that that that's the way that it should be afterwards. We can be friends if you want to. That's fine most times probably not but the point is it's there we can go out and have a glass of wine and and what e- but once that went to that level. I was getting ready to go. You know the fans are booing. They're going crazy and i'm getting ready to run off the court in bobby jackson who sierra now. He says doug watch out you know he he took off running so to me you know now coming from the inner city you. You're like okay. If he's running you start multiplying. He's probably running around so i go from running to stop and walk doc so by the time you know now. We're the reason that they put those covers over the tunnels because people were throwing stuff at us so you know i it went to the back back in all of a sudden. I never saw my wife. I'd saw that on the the ball postgame brutally but <hes> you know once that happened. It got so aggressive in there. She was sitting so close that i looked at her and i said you know come to back because i'm thinking i'm done. You know. We're going to be getting ready to go here. Yeah so that that's kinda how that happened. Shack around around you push and you know it was it was intense but but i mean for something as epic as people saw the previous year's game seven you know sacramento versus l._a. Big city small city team versus superstars all those different things. I think it all spilled to that moment which was unfortunate because you don't the you know. It doesn't necessarily need to get to that point but the point is it meant so much it was so much that you're willing to go that far and and no violence kids but that's <hes> that's that's it's all it's all part of the game in <hes> i've talked talk to rick on a radio interview a sense and it was it was all all good yeah you rick. You're you're cool with. It and i've never i've never a senior we were i did a i did an interview for the n._b._a. Hat not last year year before all star break. They called me and we're like we'd love to interview. You and i was like oh. Yes sure it is at one caveat. You know ric boxes guys interviewing you okay. I said yeah okay if he's okay so we got on and we laughed and talked talked. Whatever it's you know it's part of the lower in all the different things that come along with great rivalries in in battles yeah no doubt it was it was fun back then there was there was a little chippy at times interesting controversial hard feelings but but but never ncaa it was yeah it was it was a lot of fun. Love say love covering those series the lakers against your team's loved watching your teams it was it was a blast doug christie. Thank you so much for taking the time. It's been great any time. Thank you sir the cases. We gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. The science defined out police used luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama but we're was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime. 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You've been able to take advantage of that obviously to defect. When did i start for you in your own mind like this was a this is something i need to do. I need to use this platform to to raise awareness about what's going on in turkey. Well all really started in two thousand sixteen july fifteen with the there was a coup attempt in turkey. Yes so am i remember. I was with <hes> missing missiles that night and i was. I remember as i remember it was a friday night and and <hes> i was with him. Were in the same room. Chatting and miscellaneous assistant came with the news and say there's a quote happening in turkey and we were all said because there were around two hundred and fifty people there was that day and everybody was really sad and then later on after the courts and the president on came out and said the moment i was like okay i was with mr that night and all i know all he did was sedona chair and pray for his country night and then he was blaming mr and his movement our say okay. You know what i have to take. This and i have to do something about this because if you look at it after the courts the the riot there's around eighty thousand people under jail right now. Seventeen seventeen thousand of them are women and there's a i think it was around over a seven hundred babies. I'm jay to their mother so i was like this is not right because i was with that group luke that night and then after that all the schools are shut down dormitories shut down. All the news were shut down. You know people got a fire fire. My dad was at genetic professor and he got fired and people were getting kidnapped. Getting torture tortures in ajay older pours in that. I was like i played an m._b._a. And i have a strong was because i played an m._b._a. So that's why i was like i need to use this platform to talk about these issues and charlie. We do also faultless eldest innocent people who don't have because they're so people know my story because i've played an m._b._a. So there are thousands and thousands stories out there waiting to be heard yeah so thus while i was like i need to talk about this issues but there have been consequences. Among which is that your your father is facing trial soon and you haven't had been able to have any contact as i understand it with your parents. For how long now loss i lost. All my senior was two thousand fifteen so lots of thought. I can't remember the last time i talk them and and they came out and denounced you i assume out of that was coerced be or or either because they needed to create some distance to protect themselves selves right so so after it was after the quantum that they put a statement out there and say we are disown ennis and it's very sad because of the dakota mapping the police came to my house in turkey and raided my house and they took traffic away the phones away laptops away computers away they wanted to see if i am still in contact with my family or not and if they will see any text message to mom i how you guys doing then they will be all in in jail and then they came to my house. They took my dad away for seven days and then <hes> we put so much pressure from america with and with all the news all the news outlet all the channels all the you know the interviews we did. We put so much pressure on turkey so they had to let him go so that's why it was a very tough moment. Yeah how've you brothers dealt with this. How have they. I assume they can still have contact with him right or can yes consultores do they have they been able to give you a sense of how he's holding up under all of this and then howard how are your brothers holding up because obviously there's a distance there too and i'm sure even for them and by just by there's probably a guilt by association where they probably can't go back either right well. I mean my little brother. Chen is too young as seventeen doesn't really understand what's is going on but my other brother is not going to actually <hes> this <hes> this year san with the french team and he talked to the french said if you you guys going to turkey. Don't bring me which you guys because you never know what what would happen but yes they can talk to my parents at this that the positive side but for me. It's been very tough. The time story that just just ran that under one more than sixty thousand people have been jailed by the turkish government journalists academics political opponents those who express an opposing viewpoint or affiliated with ghulam movement which coach you are affiliated with and there was a referendum. I think it was two years ago now where john basically one total control of this is an authoritarian regime. I'd be remiss if i didn't know that our current president has called oregon a friend and congratulated him on that referendum which i find more than a little disturbing so you're here in the u._s. Where you have noted uses where you feel safest at the same time. I imagine it must make you feel even more nervous than i am. The head of our government has embraced erta one and praised him for all of this. It's yes but i mean again. If you first of all are the only anti american leader who keeps american hustle american people hostage like pessimism bronson and he was in jail for things like whatever months it's and trump had to call them then he let him go but <hes> it's very sad because when adwan came to america <hes> there was a there was a big fight in washington and he let he made a comment essay. He made his security guards. Go beat up some civilians in trillions in washington so i'm trying to tell people look what he did for people's eyes in washington think about what he's doing behind encroaches ingest all people yeah yes reading from another story here. This was part of the story that the athletic ran fifteen turkish security personnel were charged charged with assault in two thousand seventeen beating protesters in d._c. Charges have since been dropped against eleven of them which is outrageous that has to make you uncomfortable comfortable very uncomfortable especially in america that he can just come walk and just gopi up some innocent civilians just remember it was it was made me really sad sad because in the end the president on represents turkey so i don't want people to know in turkey's backcountry so people wanna talk about this is issues. People think i have a problem with my country. It's wrong. I love my country. I love my flag. I love my people. I have problem with the regime in turkey right now. <hes> <hes> speaking of and this was a strange thing. I did not see this coming. The other day where hito turkoglu fu saba covering this league along time laker baker beat writer back during those lakers king's battles right yeah. I watched a lot of heat. Turkoglu knows a huge turkey lou fan just as a as a someone who covers the n._b._a. Is a fan of the the game hito was fun. Those teams great of course and i imagine he was probably someone you came up as a basketball player in turkey. Someone who i'm not gonna i i was looking up to them to it because his way all of them and when i was in maybe high school he was in m._b._a. And he was remembered as i remember like with the kings things i remember with orlando lakers the finals it was it was definitely my idol and so now he comes out the other day and on behalf of the government which but she is. I guess some sort of advisory role to he's slamming you. I mean that must have must have felt like a betrayal replayed same same team in two thousand eleven in turkish national team and then after that we played against each other two thousand twelve thirteen forty and then he retired when he retired even back to turkey and when he went back to turkey he became a the chief advisor of the president and then now he works for the government and and <hes> i know he he's very nice guy very good player but i have so much respect for him but i know he did not want to do that. I know the turkish cover made him do it because i saw his tweets and it was turkish english and german. He doesn't know german so i know they made them do it but in that in that conversation that he said oh n._s. is trying just trying to get attention. He cannot go to the navy because he's a he has veasley shoes well. I mean i had to do it but the next day i put a tweet out there and showing that i have travel documents so it is not every so yes i can go to london so he's not a recession so and then i would just it just made me very sad that he is such a thing like that. Yeah that's tough. I it's <hes> like say kind of caught me off guard. I wondered i i wasn't sure what to think of of turkey with the basketball player. When i start seeing turku the government spokesman for rothbury -tarian regimes are hard to reconcile these things right now. <hes> i know it is for you. I'm not sure how to ask us exactly but you. You've been very outspoken. I know you're gonna continue to be outspoken to the point where sometimes like some folks have written about it this week where it seemed like you were almost exhausted by how much you've channeled into into this. What do you hope is is the end results of all this. Not just your outspokenness of course but just the movement at large against oregon is is does this all end finally when he's just somehow out of office where however by whatever means that that that happens it's obviously not it could happen by election since those seem to be rigged. I guess what point kanter going to feel comfortable to be able to just be in his canter basketball player again n. as opposed to dissident essentially one all this stuff and i don't know when is it going to end. Maybe it's going to take my whole basketball career and i know it does yes it does affect my basketball career because when you talk about this issues people clock show lot and you're not going to get contracts. I remember my agency while was talking to nike shoe deal and the nike said oh yes we want we'll be watching and we love and as you want to give them contract but just because of all these things are happening. We cannot contract and it's tough because i just don't know how long it's going to take but <hes> well i know in the end is for good cows. I'm doing this for innocent people. It might take one month might take ten years no but when all that stuff ends when people understand who was right what's wrong and what people understand who's guilty who's not guilty. Then now i will be just focused on basketball you bowl if i have if i don't retire and you've you've set a couple of times this week. I think you know no regrets which must be. I imagine that must be a tough thing thing to a tough feeling though at the same time though because there are consequences which you and your family are feeling on a number of different levels i know that the causes and the principles symbols behind what you're doing are bigger than that so to have no regrets. I understand as abroad thing but at the same time i mean i as i got to think that that's it is tough knowing that you cannot take this stance and be strong in your voice with this without knowing that there are consequences. There's an effect here. Yes there are well. I mean the probably the biggest one with my family because i mean i try to bring him here but they didn't really let them come here because they took their passports away so they cannot travel outside of turkey and <hes> of course. I mean if i look what i what i did. There is notable grits. I'll always tell myself. I wish i could have more you know because i understand my mom my dad order but there are thousands innocent people on jail get in torture and i'm not just saying that all the reports are saying that people are beginning. Kidnap people are getting chilled and so i have to do with this for all those innocent people yeah. You're becoming a u._s. Citizen in two thousand twenty one but i cannot wait man. That's the one thing that i'm i cannot wait. What is that moment going to be like for. You probably going to celebrate a very big because after i got my green card you have to wait five years so when kim back from romania romania when i came back i told one of the news outlet that i wanna become american citizen but it's gonna take five life years so after i said that i was getting so much made proposals on social media all goes well like hey america erica so if you get married it's only three years but i'm like but i waited. You know i have to around. Two years left two thousand twenty one. I think it was june. Mm-hmm iran mid june become an american citizen. I'm even thinking about adding an american name yes yes. I have nothing about it yet yet. Changing or adding adding adding okay i'm not gonna. I don't want to change it. I was thinking about changing my last name because just because oh my last name is cancer my family's last name so cancer and they're they're giving them very hard time. It's like they cannot really go outside and walk off. My dad goes to market arca. They spit on his face or my sister really can go to school because her last name is cancer and then they know she's my sister and she they giving giving her a very hard time and you get a lot of threats. I was thinking about changing my last name by just because of that process that become an american citizen that it's very talk to change it but once you do that if you change your name maybe that eases a little bit of pressure on my family as well. Can you clarify real quick so you you you posted your travel documents on social media and you held them up i think on c._n._n. Too is that an american american passport. Passport is a travel document just be omitted but issued by the us yes so the turkish people turkish government kasimov passport so i don't know i have no past but i have to travel document have my green card art so i can go to <hes> british embassy and charlemagne. Get an isa so that travel document allow me to travel anywhere in the world and so i'm trying to tell people. It's not every i've been told the knicks is not a visa because thursday tires visa issue and then i n even even told the the president and i sit down and talk to them as okay look. This is my travel documents. You can go anywhere anywhere in the world with that travel documents or they said okay yeah. We got it yeah. No that created a lot of confusion last several days. You're going to be a free agent this summer. Whether you are still in new york or sacramento sacrimento somewhere are you concerned is mark birtles teens. Your agent correct is mark concerned are. Are you concerned that all all of this that we have been discussing may scare off some teams when you hit the market the summer i think so i think i think you will but like i said said. If you're talking about somebody issues not everybody's going to like you and i it will definitely like i said before it will definitely affect my career and it will definitely affect the money i will get. I guess because you talk about these issues. You're not gonna get huge endorsements. You're not gonna get big contracts but what i'm doing anybody. I sit down again and think what i'm doing is is way more important than basketball n._b._a. n._b._a. Contracts he knows so that's why i and i know it will carry some things but i mean i i believe in god. Nothing helped me yeah. There's i mean look as you both know. There are certain teams in the n._b._a. Who they're just afraid of controversy rate of anything like this and they will steer away from you but there are others that are embracing of that and might even be happy to bring you in as someone that they know is a conscientious conscientious thoughtful person in addition to being pretty decent basketball player. Are you afraid that your defense might scare away. Yes yes mighty yes but i mean i've definitely working on trust me this stuff that there are two things that i get could decide like crazy turkish urkish stuff and i've been working very hard or a trusted you're not you're not the one thing you can't change for the time being the turkish criticism the government <hes> criticism but the the defense you can change the can always you can always walk on it. You have a fairly good sense of humor about that seems yeah. Actually you know because i i i remember i whatever year i was getting very sad because as a rookie sophomore third fourth year as soon as the game game over the first thing you do is you get on twitter so look people said was like man. That's your first mistake. Yes and i look yeah. They were just suck on my energy. Just like bring me down. I'm like man. What am i going to do and then after that you learn you know just like you. You know all the people that are just people live just sit on their mother's house and on the computer just writing comments but i mean of course you had you had you have to work on it but i'm the cannot let all these outside always affect your game or effects you. Do you think your defense has been a physical issue is more of a scheming issue where you're supposed to be in learning and defenses like guys were considered quote unquote bad at defense. Some guys can't move right. Somebody's and guys it's just more of the scheme and the thought process behind it knowing where you know what they're supposed to do in a win. What's the what do you think has been the challenge. I think i learned utah was terrible because i couldn't. I couldn't really get at the play high school or college ross fers whatever years of course it's not an excuse but and then when it gets okay see i was like okay defense festival about trust and communication. I was just getting better and feel more comfortable now. With nick's you know we are dead process that you know just get better get him better learning some try and everything to how can we get better defensively and offensively but it just it just oppose the effort now just because i know if i put the effort in my offense if i put the effort have africa put on defense. I'll be defined by the way you're a fantastic at the offensive integrate offensive rebound and there've been plenty of guys in this league who have thrived at one end and then a little at at the hour so you get the right guys around you. You know be just fine <hes> before i let you go we did. We popped into say hello to the game zones guys craig natoma alamogordo beforehand. I know you said <hes> big fan. You've been in a couple of episodes. Have you felt about being a game. Zones character was actually super so i watched every episode. If if i'm if i'm in it or not even if i'm not in our watch it because it's just i remember one time i was in with stephen adams and then the second one was crying because i was living o'casey. It's just so so so much fun. I know not just me. Every player cannot wait to be out there so they can watch. It and i just cool them mesa. This is a so much fun for every player yeah no. It's a lot of fun if they done and i asked you this before. They did a pretty good job as terms of like. Did you look like you know what they do an amazing job. They didn't mustache mustache. My mustache good my face. My body you amazing. I can't remember. Did you have speaking lines. How was your voice. I was is crying. You know words. I see a couple of words but i was crying because i was leaving stephen adams. Okay see that's tough. It is stephen adams still all the touch or yeah we we still tax tax me the other day because all the stuff going on about the london and everything. He said he always checks if i'm good on that he's he's. He's a very good friend. Yeah good dude good dude n._s. This has been fantastic. I'm so happy you were able to make it over a no you must be. Did you just fatigued of talking about all these issues by now because you've been you've been making the rounds. I appreciate you making some time for us as well best of luck with with all of the basketball and and the political fronts thank you i appreciate them. I think you allow me to talk. Absolutely joined live the in studio by a former defensive player of the year four time member of the team all-star twenty ten n._b._a. Champion the pride of queens bridge metta world peace. How are you sir. Thanks for the introduction. Thanks for having me. <hes> you know bleacher report howard beck i've been i've been keeping up with for a long time. He'd be interviews together. Cross pass a little bit and anytime you hear hey howard beck wanna. Do any of you just don't be a nice one. <hes> <hes> <hes> great to see you again. It's been awhile. I think probably since your brief turn with the knicks a few years back when yeah definitely feel brought you in so i've got to watch the documentary yesterday the quiet storm the runner tests story <hes> by my colleagues here a bleacher report going to be on on showtime actually got to clarify this real quick quick because of course the film's name and film was fantastic films name has got the run artist story. You are now metta world peace. I have heard somebody told me there are rules rules to who can call you ron still and and who has to call you meta. What's the rule. There's no real rules. It's just that if i'm from you're from new york. You're gonna call me ron a lot the people in new york they won't call me because they know me a saint john's queens queens bridge lasalle academy and all the parts that i played in new york city and l._a. Is a little bit different. If you don't know me as early pacer or bull you know what i mean has ron's and you know a year later changed my name or maybe even two years later so a lot of the kids in the west coast. They called me meadow. Some some people even called me where he's in indiana. They don't call me ron. You definitely not because it's what they're used to yeah yeah but you know you have a a rule about sewing meets you for the first time meta data or do they have to like if they qualify as new york and they call you ronald p some people asking hey. What do you want to be call by the way what do you wanna be call by the way and i'm like medicine all right. We'll go with metaphor the purposes of this <hes> feel like though i wasn't in new york when you were yeah coming up here so i don't qualify on that on the other hand. I've been covering this league since you were drafted as yeah so i don't know i i know some people. Just call me ron and it's fine. I a lot of people call me. Some people. Call me ron ron which is like my nickname you know so he just never know you. You know what you're going to get. Donnie walsh still calls you ronnie. I'm donny might call me met. Ashley nineties like a very respect respect actor respectable and respectful person now. Let's say anyone else's not but dan he's more. He's gonna do what he thinks is right all the time i think he might i had to call me meadow on time but most likely probably call me ronnie yeah. He's the best absolutely one of the best general managers you you don't ever touch the league in sports. He just never had a chance to get over the hump but he'll so consistent no all those pacer teams. He did a great job here in new orcs tail yeah with new york team yeah. He's an amazing front office guy so let's talk about that that span of time four zero five in there because because <hes> months months and months before the bro the reason you guys are such tension with detroit. You guys were like a serious pitched battle for the conference title that previous spring you guys lost that series in six there and there's there's a lot that goes behind that but you guys like that at team everybody knew at the time you jermaine o'neal al harrington reggie miller john bender jackson came li ye ah yes even getting a little bit later but you guys had a real shot and that's the part. I think that's often forgotten. How good was that two thousand fourteen. That's in the conference finals the pistons because has the pistons win the championship that year against stay go back the next year post brawl they go back and then that's when they lose to the spurs but your team the previous spring and had you stayed together and you guys were you were right on the cusp. Who knows what could have been with that team. I mean we agree. I thought we weren't one of the best teams indiana i was on my way to being you know top three four five plays at a plane indiana and and it was it was it was something where it was meant to be. You know it was meant to be. I was not meant to win a title in indiana. Although if i stay knows i snapped my finger and i would love to take you back in time and and do it over definitely kenneally. Sometimes you say i don't regret anything. Why wouldn't do anything differently. I think i would do something differently but that team was gray three. I had a real i had. I didn't know i was that good now. I'll watch some tape because it's really hard for me to find my hideyuki. Stephen carter highlights dunking. You'll see kobe highlights. You know donkey known shooting but they never really show highlights on on. I was shutting these shutting latter hall of fame as down. I'm definitely i can say to myself all of famer but it's hard to prove that we're my stats career but you know just back in those days. I mean we we we we were so good and it's really is something that you can <hes> always <hes> reminisce about those again as i say i i saw those teams i i knew how good you guys were and yeah. There's a lot of what if like they own their what's over the course of n._b._a. History but your team for that era was definitely one of those hit. This thing stays together. If things don't go obviously go off the rails in detroit that night there we definitely got ya. I'm not gonna beat the trail who knows but we definitely was on our way away. I was so that that pacers group and some of them are interviewed in the film in germane germanium particular he'd certainly and i don't know how the wrexham field but he certainly felt that there was a lot of bad feelings that went forward for for years after that having not talk to you alone the way not just what happened. I think just the lack of contact and everything have you re made reconnected. Ah had those bridges reenacted germain some of those guys from back then whether the pro- the problem with like the problem with me was everytime jemaine reach out out to me and say hey ron. We're getting some lunch. Let's go hey ron. We're going now. Let's go you will see our hands and go at him. Jamaal tinsley sometimes anthony johnson anson even sometimes reggie miller. Go get lunch but i was always nah. I'm just gonna stay in my room. I was always thinking about like the next practice and i'm always thinking about like the next game and i never took the time out. You know to really build that relationship. Jemaine always reached out even when i had some of the most difficult times before the brawl jemaine was see he would be like a round. You're right you wanna talk and i will always magnum mckay. I've only been to jonathan vendor house. Johnson was in the music. Also i never been <music> out when no one so when abroad happen we're on the same team guys five mu not only did. I lose a lot of money. They lost money too and then the next year as i request the tree you know on a team where we're trying to everybody is. They're trying to do positive things in their life and me. I kinda took all that energy away. It wasn't fun. Being one of the best team recall al when he says this guy that's the guy jemaine had his plays and i hadn't a ton set plays to me probably secondhand janine on that team thing and i really feel bad about that whole situation 'cause if i was acting out and i don't accept that type of behavior for my players this things that i put a lot of people through at that point in time. You know i can see why you know. Japan was upset set and i i don. I was really happy to have lunch for the first time in fourteen years. We had lunch and oakland last year. I've never had lunch with jimmy and it was just the type of person that was. I don't know if there's a bad person. I don't know what that person was but i just wasn't i wasn't i didn't allow myself to get along. You know what people bull had that go with jimmy i mean it felt really good to have lunch with jemaine. I was talking to jemaine briefly about company that i had but <hes> we also was talking about the brawl. We're doing abroad documentary jemaine actually producing the documentary on the ball so he's talking a little bit about that <hes> and we talked a little bit about like he told he told me he appreciate a few things and and he talked about he he was also upset about a few things. That was our only lunch. We did have some phone conversations but jemaine is just out. Jamais reminds me a lebron james. You know a few people jemaine lebron everybody have the pros and cons but when you talk about a good teammate jemaine bra fisher the guys that bring people together and performing on a koi those guys they stand out yeah no doubt i'm not talking about mental health for a minute here because does your way ahead of your time in two thousand ten on the day on the championship speaking openly about this and people at the time i think were really taken aback on an number of levels but mostly in a very positive way and that you know when i was googling and doing youtube results in prepping for the podcast like that comes up very quickly. Oh you know your your post game that night. It has been over the last couple of years become much more <hes> you know. I don't wanna say frequent frequent but it's accepted now. Guys are coming out. Kevin love demar derozan guys writing in the player's tribune adam silver talking openly about mental health in a way that i don't think people leading this league had in the past. Adam silver said a couple months ago. We're living in a time of anxiety. I think it's a direct result of social media. A lot of players are unhappy. While does that strike a chord with you. Does that sound like what you experience not just yourself but what you might have seen among teammates back when you were playing as well well. This is a new era when we didn't come up social media era but that statement is pretty impressive to. I've never heard a statement from front commissioner but i think you know in two thousand and ten when i was just i just had and she's a psychologist by the way i excuse me but i said psychiatrists okay okay. I didn't know that i didn't know the difference at that time. I was seeing a therapist when i was on t._v. After the championship i wasn't even thinking and you know the difference between the psychologists allergists and the psychiatrist is one m._d. Provide medicine the other is more emotional and it can provide therapy and counseling you know and i just thought it was necessary serie because all the therapy i had my ears. I was painting. I was paying for it out of out of pocket parents in counseling marriage counseling anger management multiple what times and i wasn't thinking about the bill is just like another bill came in his pay for bill but you can't pay for those sessions. You know what are you going to do. Who are you gonna talk to to try to do something. I tried to make a bigger platform where they make it easier kind of entry to therapy and less expensive mrs. I was trying to work on that two thousand six. I couldn't quite get to it because you know when you're doing something like that. Although as a business and if you don't have the right team hard to execute the vision so that platform i have is a perfect opportunity you know to to let people know it's okay to be vulnerable and it's okay to seek see cow and that that message i felt like really resonated at the time. I still feel like like there's less stigma now today than it was. Maybe nine years ago definitely really are you. Are you encouraged to see that when you see kevin love or demar or other guys talking openly about this because they're looking at you know you guys are in a pressure cooker. There's a a huge spotlight plus. There's all this you know macho b._s. Wrapped up in it so actually supposed to allow any any vulnerability publicly. It just feels like it's very difficult for <hes> for that to be broached it. Has i mean depending on who you are dependent on. What is your like the process or a vision on how you should be a pro and depending on what you're seeing. You might try to be like that. You might try to be something you're not and in my experience has been when you get out of character. That's when you become more stress when you try to. Maybe you're an athlete supposed to be baked supposed to be macho. Whatever the case may be you become more stress. You're not yourself and it's good to see people like to do the rose in and love just talk about that freely. Give other the people hope but i also got to give credit to dennis rodman when he was on oprah. You know how he was open about. His frustration has life. I finished parents and different things like that. He was crying on television. You know he went on. He was in new york guy marriage himself. He's he's clearly gone through a lot. He was one of my favorite players is all that stuff that he did. It gave me the strength to just be open and not be afraid of who i was and sometimes it was dark places. I was who i was was opposite. Person when i was shining in the most publicly on television and everybody got a chance to see every part of the peace round test so i was prepping for the podcast and i was i was googling your name and and as i was googling metta world peace reset one point and then i thought well no some of the stuff may be won't come up and need to google results are a little bit different so i thought it was interesting. I put a couple of days so if you google run our test you get things things like elbows james harden champion three pointer game seven so some some good stuff there too nice bounce but then you keep going down at says pulls down. I'm paul pierce. Remember that yeah i was. I think that was a playoff game. In romania regular season game and paul was on fire and at that time you know twenty three twenty four i was still in a good place on the basketball side still in the dark place sometimes emotionally that game was having defining allergists being ronald test referees that you know there wasn't watching i pull down has he had about thirty at that point and he comes off. The screen hits the three with his shorts down and keeps playing as paul. You like the mix it up a lot. There was a lot of a lot of fun battles between between you guys. The world peace side of it still has the james harden come up game seven still comes up and then down a little ways as a meta world peace rap metta world peace coldest balls. I don't even know what that was a reference to and i didn't look y'all yeah well yeah. I said kevin hart show. Kevin kevin hart has is this new network called l._l. Okay and he has tons of shows and colder balls is one of the shows i guess he came up with and you get into this is tub tub and you start to just talk podcast but it's an ice hub as if he was in a practice or a game and then you go into is after the game i mean it's it's pretty funny. It's always great to do things kevin hart. Yeah i did two pieces. You know what kevin hart before it was cool. It was fun. I don't think i'd last i five minutes doing an interview in a cold. I know i know coats that extend my career long time. I'm sure meta world peace. Thank you so much for coming back. Thanks for having me and i wanna tell you about. He's the highlight me visit. The pandu sprint. Dot com is my e commerce site. It's a symbol bluffs strength and vulnerability at the same time. Thank you have to report. How is really good to be tricked in your thank you <music>.

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I have a somewhat inconvenient announcement to make friend BA fans and I hate to do it, but I'm going to have to interrupt all the excitement of the impending free agency period with the NBA finals going on that you actually have to watch now because with the raptors up two games to one Klay Thompson will play tonight. I don't know how well he'll play tonight. Kevin Durant will not play tonight. Kvant ING, probably will not be playing tonight but might be back. The raptors are either gonna push the warriors to the banker or actually win this thick and it would be an by the way. The raptors won the NBA championship because it feels like everything has been circling around the Golden State Warriors, and then you have impending free agency how that's going to affect not only Golden State, but also the Lakers and the Knicks and the nets and the Celtics and New Orleans. And then all by the way, the raptors are up two games to one. You know, you have several franchises that are going to get interesting in the next couple of weeks. And I get it, but sometimes we get ahead of ourselves, and we certainly done that in basketball, it feels like the last couple of years, everything has been about the next season. Not this season in front of us, and, you know, partially to blame, and or credit, the Golden State Warriors have been great. And we've looked at that as a foregone conclusion. When this season started it was already a foregone conclusion, and I cautioned you saying the only way Golden State could lose this year. Was if two superstars got her not one but two, well, you have that. And now clay is back and is that going to be enough for them to win? I expect Golden State to win tonight. But if I'm Toronto if I'm their head coach, Nick, nurse or quiet Leonard the message, I'm sending is. Let's, let's not give them that opportunity. Let's not give them a little bit of an advantage. Let's not let them think we can still win this thing. Let's we have them down. Let's step on their next right now because I don't think Kevin Durant is playing, and I think the Golden State and Steve Kerr no this and they're just not saying they don't have to, but they don't want to put that out there and say, you know what katie's is not going to be playing, I think, psychologically games are played here in the NBA finals really with any championship at stake. And you wanna have every advantage, you can I don't wanna give you any advantage any extra advantage. But clay will play Kevin Durant is not going to even if Kevin Durant is available. I think we look at this and go you're down two games to one. He's gotta play. No. That doesn't work that way. That's not the way injuries work your injury. Doesn't go. Wait what we're down to games to one. Okay. Now, let's get this calf muscle to feel a little bit better. I get the feeling of Kevin Durant. Could play he would play. And we also look at this and go, you got a guy in the Stanley Cup finals. Dan Charro who's playing with a broken jaw. Okay. He can still move. He can still use his legs and his hands. You just hope that he doesn't get hit with another pucker have any kind of contact there. This is different with Kevin Durant running up and down the floor. These are some of the best condition athletes in the world. And if Kevin Durant can't go, I don't question his toughness. I've heard and read people questioning his toughness like is he all in with Golden State? All this means he doesn't want to stay there. I'm guessing Kevin Durant got a whole lot of pride and would love to be the Knight in shining. Armor, who says, all right, guys. I'm back all when you another championship here. But if I'm Toronto you got him on the ropes if you win this one. You're going to win the championship, and you still may win that championship because I don't know what you're going to get out of this Golden State team. It is wounded in a couple of ways, but you still have a couple of great players and you got a great coach. And right now you have home court tonight, not an advantage. You have home court because it used to be had homecourt advantage. But tonight you're just at home and I don't know how much of an advantage that is going to be. But speaking of that home court the biggest news in the NBA finals had to do with one of the minority owners who was involved in a sideline skirmish with Kyle Lowry last game name is Mark Stevens. And he's a venture capitalist. He's worth a lot of money. He gets nice seats. And apparently he's allowed to put his hands on some players. He's a minority owner here and put his hands on Kyle lowering and also. Had some kind of exchange within where us some colorful language the Commissioner said, you're not gonna go to any more of these games this year and we're going to sit down for next year's well. Or we're gonna find you five hundred thousand dollars five hundred thousand dollars to a guy worth two point three billion is what you know, that, like a couple hundred bucks to. So Mark Stevens is not going to be able to be court side. And then there are people who have wondered did the Commissioner go soft on this owner. What I've liked to seen more. Yes. Because it's an owner even though the minority owner he's an owner. And this is a Commissioner who is always found a way to find the players side of this not that he had to work hard to find Kyle Lowry side of things. But he was it was quick, and he said, you're not going to, you know, the warriors said, you're not going to be able to sit courtside during the NBA finals. Which absolutely he can. He should never be allowed to sit courtside. If you don't make him sell his interest in this team, which I think they should strongly, consider doing them. I don't know if there's any other history with this guy, I don't know anything about him apparently feels like if I've got a couple of billion, I'm a big guy, and, you know, I'm almost on the team. I've seen a lot of these guys in the decades have been covering sports. Hey, I know. I we're good friends. Hey I like to yell at the players. Hey better not come over here. Okay. Tough guy. Guy. So he's got his billions. But the one thing, a billionaire one is to be relevant. They want to be known when I take that away from this guy. He's just another venture capitalist. That's all it is. All right. Mark. Thanks. We have some nice parting gifts for you. But if he does, if he's allowed to keep his part of the team, he never sits in the lower arena. You can go to the games after a year if you want to do that, but you never sit courtside again. But I would I would strongly look at consider taking away his his ownership here. I would this is. You got to protect the players. You know, we've all been there at the zoo, when, you know, you got the lines of the Tigers in the pound on the glass, and then you're like, hey, watch this. I'm gonna I'm gonna really disrupt Hayes gonna get angry here. And then all of a sudden you go, he's not gonna do anything to me. That's what this guy, probably thought. Hey, I could push this I'm gonna get in his face. Hey, he's, he's in my building. This is my team. I'm so close. I could almost play. Okay. All right. You know, if anybody was going to be upset, it would be the husband of the woman who was run into she's the one that took the charge this guy like what happened to him. Not if that's your wife, okay? Got out of the way Kyle Lowry handled it beautifully brilliantly and not everybody would have imagined if Kyle Lowry. Did something imagine if he got suspended is that fair? There. And that's what the Commissioner I'm sure had to vet out, make sure we got both sides here. But here's Kyle Lowry talking about Mark Stevens. And what kind of punishment? The guy like that shouldn't be a part of it shouldn't be a part of our league being honest with you. That's my personal opinion. That's just how I feel we've had situations like this before. And it's you know the leagues done the right thing in protecting the players in protecting the image of the league. All right. I'm with ya. But I've seen some columns today. USA today said the Commissioner went soft. You know, this, this really sharp man, who is the Commissioner of the NBA, and he doesn't rush to judgment. I think he factors everything in. I'm sure he did is due diligence. I was told that he spent the entire day yesterday on this topic, and only this topic to make sure he got it. Right. Because when LeBron says, hey, you got to do something about this, like the players are involved in this and they're involved in the, you know, their word means more than in any other sport. The players are involved. It's a players league. And even if it's a minority owner, I'm going to have to really put put a good punishment on you. And I think the Commissioner did that I would have no issue. If you said today he has to sell his share of this team. I'd have no problem with that whatsoever. Do I think that's a harsh punishment? Yes, I do. But I do think what happened as an owner as a fan. You'd never be allowed back in the building. Again. I'm guessing. Right. As an owner, I have. You know higher expectations for you. Like a fan is one thing. You're one of the owners. So I wrapped it up. What I expect out of you and therefore, my punishment is going to be more severe. And if you say he can never go to another game again, if he does go, he can't sit courtside. You want him to sell his shares in the team. I'm fine with that because this is different when it's an owner. Here's Steve Kerr are no Steph curry addressing this situation. You don't wanna see that in our game and hopefully they didn't happen. I don't necessarily think reflection of how we handle business here as a war is organising a franchise. We we have a high standard and do things with class and professionalism. And I know Mark is apologetic and whatnot, but handle the situation on the for I said, the organization going to do that. And and just want respect for the game all the way around fans owners team, you know, players coaches, everybody. Because there's so much good happening on the court. They want to keep the spotlight on that. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's not the NBA finals has been about free agency, impending free agency, and now you have this guy who hijacked the NBA finals. Now, I don't know how much of this is the topic tonight, but then probably not much because he won't be there. But this unless they have an interview with the Commissioner, and get his thoughts. Is there any update on this? I think that it's kind of business as usual. There's a game tonight and you move on with it. And this will be just one of those brief moments there where we go. You remember what happened in the NBA finals in twenty nineteen member? When that owner got in there. I think that's what it's going to probably amount to hopefully, and then we move on. And we actually focus on basketball coming up tonight. Poll question. Mclovin, Woody half for me poll question is sponsored by man versus food on cooking channel Friday. Todd wants to take a shot at the pull this morning. Oh. It was an eclipse, whoa. Which would you rather attend? Bruins blues game six with the Cup of being in the building a chance to watch title happening before your eyes. Raptors warriors game four where the series only becomes three one or even two. Okay. Bruins blues in Saint Louis in Saint Louis where they've never ever won a Stanley Cup. I know most people make more ten BA, but still, I'm going to go there. Yeah. I mean the all you got the Cup. They're up three games to one. That's it. Question over tougher done. Yeah. Waiting club. What if you get to be in the front row with the selective I get to sit where Mark Stephen seats are or what have you got to sit next to Jay z, which I don't know, if you guys saw that headline. It's been problematic of what the celebrities at the basketball came. I don't understand this and somebody's got to help me with this that you love somebody so much that you are going to send out death threats to a woman who was sitting next to beyond saying, Jay z and was actually finding out what they wanted to drink. What is this topic beyond says fans, you know, I, I don't know why they had a problem with this is that the owner another owner's wife. It's a main owner's wife offered to get like a scotch and no, I like a vodka soda and acid. Jay Z wanted a lime. Oh, and she reached over beyond, say, and beyond say, it's just randomly looked displayed. She looked displeased. But we have no idea if it was because of that. She might it was really loud good. But yeah. You imagine if somebody went to jail for a death threat because this woman said, do you want a lime that, that's what she said, and it was loud. And she I guess was leaning over beyond say, like tear you to that. And all this was was he she was saying, do you wanna lime with your drink, and because she couldn't hear him? Yeah, but we all know what that's code for. Come on get with it. Live with your drink. They wanna live with that drink. That'd go. Okay. All right. You know what? I'm not down with the, you know, the new street, Banak Euler here is that what was the other code with the, the woman with the nice hair, the that did she have a song lemonade about. Yeah. Yeah. So lime lemonade. That was a shot really hip. Right. More of a lemon NADA. Now, remember, the there is a leering in there where she was talking about some woman's name with the saga lemonade. Exactly. Yeah. But what's, what's the lyric? I don't wanna get. I'm not touching. This just say it don't you, you clearly what it is. And you're trying to make us look it up just sing the song already. There is a line in the song that has to do with somebody work with the nice hair. And who was it was it, and it was another singer? Right. Or somebody. It's like a I don't know. There's, there's code word for somebody, and maybe they add or of Becky with the good hair. Are you go? There you go. That's it. Yeah, so you got the beehive and they're all upset and the, you know, man, I didn't realize there's this much drama with ownership there with the Golden State Warriors. That's why had all the actions in the crowd at the game. I know what did you say to you? How dare you lean across beyond say, okay, easy there? What did you ask him if he wanted a long time? We'll come up with a poll question. Adding Todd has another one, the one that I want, I'm going to I'm going to criticize it. Okay. Klay Thompson tonight, more likely to have a huge game. A hopelessly average contribution in game four does it have to be hopelessly, as that a pun, then I'm not getting is at a well, everyone. Because everyone talks signed Klay Thompson coming back. He's gonna put up thirty point whenever the words are gonna even the series two. What's the number between hopelessly average in great game is like twenty six and a half? He averaged twenty one. Hopelessly average would be like, you know, he fifteen to eighteen points to me would be averaged for Klay Thompson needs to get at least twenty would if he had eighteen and he hit six threes and the game winning three. In that case, I would have to give him that would be a big game. That would be a big contribution, if it's a game winning shot. And I haven't read anything where anybody said that Klay Thompson is going to have thirty points and they're going to win because I don't think anybody has that expectations time. But why hopelessly like hopelessly devoted to you from Greece? I don't understand that. I all I, I don't know. I'm kind of play enough just the hype Kevin Durant outlet Klay Thompson. It's coming back. So might as well make it. But I didn't. Okay. Can you get an article that says that people expect him to have thirty points tonight? I'm at I'm talking less about his exact point, and more about how Klay Thompson coming back means the series as even to do you think of positive thing for the warriors chances that Klay Thompson coming back. I think it gives them a better chance to win. But I'm not on the bandwagon to say that it's automated, which I believe most people think that Klay Thompson playing it's as good as to two after tonight. I believe that most people think it's a win for the Toronto straight up tonight. I think the words are gonna win too. I'm throwing. A lot of people think that I don't know who thinks that because we don't even know how healthy he's going to Quinnipiac poll up bigger. But maybe that's the poll question. I Thompson playing tonight means the series, even I don't know how healthy is if you said he's of course. Yeah. And he's gonna get thirty tonight and it's a foregone conclusion they're going to win. I believe that the warriors Clayton wants Klay Thompson hits the court they're going to even Sears. All right. We'll take a break did the NBA get it right? With this punishment. We'll discuss we had a good discussion prior to the start of the show. Eight seven seven three DP show if you'd like to be involved in the program, you can also tweet us at DP show. Email address DP Dan, Patrick dot com. It's a meet Friday. It's twenty after the hour. 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Products available in every state the NBA get it, right. Eight seven seven three DP show. Did they get it right in the punishment for this minority owner, Mark? Stevens five hundred thousand dollar fine and not going to be able to attend the games for a year. Yes. Pauling. I'm pretty cool with the punishment. That's pretty strong for a guy, the money's no big deal. He's got that's pocket change to Mark Stevens. But if you are a big part owner the warriors you, you show off to all your friends. You got your courtside seats. You're the man for a year. You can't do that. I think that's a pretty good punishment for him. Now, I would have made him do an interview out of made them go on this show or sportscenter where van pelt or one of the good shows and, and tell exactly what he did why he did it. And what he verbally said to Kyle Lowry. Make them repeat. It make it say make them say to the entire public so because otherwise he could just dodge this for a year. Yeah, I you know, the Commissioner said he was. Trite. But, you know, you're contrite where all of a sudden, you're looking at do I have to divest my interest in the Golden State Warriors, and I don't get courtside seats anymore. I'll go back to what I said about these owners these billionaires. They just want to be real. There's a lot of people who have a billion dollars. Not a lot of people have teams you want to be famous. You wanna be Mark Cuban Mark Cuban has maybe two billion dollars. But he's more famous than guys who have a lot more money than he does. And that's what they want. You, you can buy a lot of things you can't buy fame. It's a little more complex than that. But, you know with this owner, and you just I can't let him if I let him in the building, then he's going to be up at a suite that would be the only way on allowing him to come in. And that's after this year suspension, the apple I got a bonus punishment for marks even he has to show up and sit courtside a game five in Toronto. See how that plays out next to Drake. Yeah. Wherever oh those Canadian fans, they may not give them. Hi fi. They'll give them a strong shunning. Yes. I doubt that they'll probably by a beer man versus food. Don't miss an all new season man versus food on its new home. It's cooking channel premiering July second. Our host is Casey web taking on epic eating challenges six ghost pepper tacos, thirty pound bagel sandwich. Endless sushi in Sacramento, and much more new home new season. Same Casey man versus food on cooking channel stream live and catch up on past episodes on cooking channel app. Anybody think it was too strong of a punishment, or to light, mclovin? One thing I thinking about it. I actually asked her audiences. Can anyone think of an incident there's been barely any incentive for players have ever been hurt by fan? In fact, I couldn't find one in north. There was Monica Saleh's. But in North American team sports, as far as I could tell it's never even happen. It's not as like. It's not like this societal plague on athletes, that's -sarily that their risk. I mean they are at risk his dangerous. And I hope I'm not jinx Gani one, but it's, it's more the exception than the rule. And I feel like the media's making seem like this is a this is a problem that is. I don't know. I don't know how much of a problem is they're close in the NBA. But, but mclovin you have an owner, well, if he wasn't, but people were calling for a lifetime ban way before they knew he was an owner. Okay. But if he's a fan he'd gets a lifetime ban. But also, right, probably, yes. So why, why are we going to be more lax on an owner than we would be a regular fan who may do this? But it's really an owner by being a part owner. That's the other thing. I'm not quite totally sure of is there's a lot of part owners. Okay. He's a minority owner. He's an investor. I have to treat him what you're saying. I have to treat him differently because no, no, you're right. You're right. You shouldn't if you're going to ban a fan, then you're right. You should ban their own. Yeah. It seems like well, it's easy to ban. Dan? I got a ban of minority owner, like it, it doesn't I hold him to a higher standard here. Yes. He and if you look it seems like the line between fan and player that sort of imaginary boundary is, is blurring over the past couple of years, where there, there aren't incidents of players being hurt by fans but there's a lot more interaction between fan and player that gets ugly. That seems at least we're catching it now on camera more. I don't know if that's a sign of the times, or just the age that we're living in. But, you know, Russell Westbrook. It's certainly had tons of incidents with fans were they he feels they're crossing the line. And if an owner can put his hands on a player, then I don't know that, that's a good precedent to allow. Yup. Oh, yeah. And it's usually verbal, it's usually we see a fan yelling, and we at home watching TNT or ABC can't hear what's being said, rarely does it get physical, mclovin said, there's no really physical incidents Rian fans and players. That's why this one was so shocking, even know this. There's an old dude giving Kyle Lowry. A little push Kyle is gonna make it. He's going to be okay. You not didn't dislocated shoulder. But usually, we just see angry fans yelling stuff and players walking, right? Past. That's why this one stands out. Well, they're lucky that it was Kyle Lowry, who was a professional who handled it in a professional way. Even when you look at Russell Westbrook with that incident in Utah, I can't can escalate, so quickly and then all of a sudden, and I know you can say, well, okay, yeah the mountains at the palace. And now that's the exception. It it's so quick. And imagine if you're an eight competitive mode, you're trying to you're in the NBA finals, you're going for a loose ball next thing, you know, you have some guy in your face saying things to you, and then pushes you out of the way. None of it's acceptable. You're you represent the team. I don't I don't care in, in what capacity. This man is representing the Golden State Warriors, and he has those seats because he's representing the Golden State worse. He invested in the Golden State Warriors. I don't care what degree you are as an owner, you're still part of that, that organization and I got I have to hold you to a higher standard. And that means I would sit you out for all the next year. And I would if you come back, you're never allowed in the lower part of the arena, and I would strongly consider making him sell his interest. Yes. Mclovin, one thing that sort of hinted at two, I do think that cell phones, make it seem like the problem might be worse. I'll betcha in the seventies and eighties. The fan interactions were just as ugly. And I'll tell you Philadelphia was famous. I bet you they were even uglier but nobody ever had. You know, unfortunately, what set a Russell Westbrook. There's a long history in Philadelphia of similar taunts towards players. It's just now that their cell phones, we see them. So I think he's always been this. I mean, I, maybe you could tell me they're always been this problem of heckling that gets oh, the language. Yes. And there are a couple of go words. Certainly with African American athletes, and you, you can be down on the field has I have been and you hear things and these players turn deaf ear. They turn the cheek and they do their job. You know, these are the people that will get on Twitter and criticize you I mean it takes talent to do that. And no. Bravado there yelling. They're protected. I can say whatever I want to you, and you can't do anything about it. Well, yeah, we can do something about it. These leagues are doing something about it, and they should because you should protect these players. Yes, it might not be a new problem with fans yelling at players, but society has changed a lot in the last fifty years. And so you can't really say, well, we used to do that back in one thousand nine hundred seventy so can't we still today? No, there's a million things that were acceptable in one thousand nine hundred seventy that are no longer even remotely acceptable. Yes. Mclovin. I we were at that falcons game where the. Eagles. I heard things that I couldn't believe and I was up high down low. I guess I don't think senior right? Of course, publicly you can't say anything. But I'm telling you the fans at the eagles games are still saying them. I think that the athlete understands there will be some kind of language verbal exchange that comes with the territory. You don't expect you can't put your hands on an athlete. Okay. All they came into your territory. They came into where you're seated. Okay. And then allow them to get back on the stage and you can't be upset if a player comes into your lap, you're courtside. And like you said yesterday, this guy, William Stevens, if his wife or family member was accidentally run into by cholera, you could maybe maybe understand a quick out of your mind reaction that was even the case, the person he was sitting with did not get run over not get hit. So there's not even that to fall back on. I had some phone calls on this topic eight seven seven three DP show. Rick in New York Rick leads us off. What do you have for me? You guys doing today taking my call. I think they got it wrong, personally, I mean if this was made a regular fan. I mean, I think I'm on permanently banned guy should be held to a higher standard. He's a part owner as a minority owner in. I mean it just seems crazy. I think example should be made like you don't do that, at all knock called for. And I mean that's just my opinion on a guys. All right. Thank you, Rick. Yeah. I agree with you that I hold him to a higher standard and take away the thing that he loves the most he wants to be relevant. And he wants to show up and I got courtside seats here, who's with me tonight, all of a sudden, you're going to be sitting at home, just like me tonight. Daryl in Missouri. Hey, daryl. Not quite sure that they got it, right. On the ownership thing, you know, five hundred K and, and a year suspension is good. But why doesn't the NBA or all these shows put up something we screamed in hollered about the girl getting hit by a ball and why don't we put boards up like in hockey? So these guys are still going over Daryl, you can't do that. You can't do this is what these people pay for. And how many incidents do you have where somebody's running into the stands, but thanks for the phone calls. They're not gonna do that. You know, this is this is a rare incident that happened. It's how it was handled. That's why we're talking about this. But I don't think any fan is going to say about a ball game. Hey, would you put up a barrier? So I can be protected. I was looking back and mclovin was at saying, there's not many incidents where fans get physical players. He was seventeen years ago that it was a Rockies White Sox game. And a couple of SOX fans ran out attacked the first base coach Tom gamble. Remember we covered it. We had him on. It was like my first month on the show with you. And it was just the nuttiest thing I'm watching the video and the entire White Sox. The White Sox guys are looking, and there's these two dudes with no shirts on just punching Tom Gamboa, and then the entire Rockies lineup. Just envelopes. These guys beat the crap out of which was great. It was a father and son. I believe the kid was like fifteen. And by the way, I looked at the where are they now didn't work out too well for these guys didn't now? They kept on getting in trouble. Yeah. Shocker shocker. The White Sox beating Tom Gamboa's, at least of the problems. Let's put it that way, m in California. Hi, I'm Jay, what do you have for me? Hey, good morning, Dan, blah, a long-time listener twelve twelve time caller. So I'm I'm sort of the other opinion. I think this is a huge overreaction. I've watched that video many times to do barely touched him sitting with his left arm two seats away fairly touched. His shoulder was wrong. Absolutely should be reprimanded in punish. Yes. To me. The punishment is kick him out of the game period. That's it, Mary. You kidding me? Chest bumps account. Larry does this team major more violence. No. But it but the chest bumps are agreed upon MJ. That's with your teammates this. Why would he push you? And why would he have this exchange? Or why would he be saying, you know, whatever he said to Kyle Lowry? You know, that's, that's the big issue here. It's not how hard it was. It was, you know, the, the act itself is what we're talking about here. You should not be putting your hands on a player. I, I mean, we can look at all the worst-case scenarios here. What if you poked him in the eye? What if you you hit him and then all of a sudden you provoked him in? He decided that he was gonna hit you then. He's the one in trouble. So you just you can't have it if it's a fan. You're gone forever. Right. I think most of us are in agreement, if this was just a random fan, Golden State, and they did this, the fan is probably gone band. So why should I hold this minority owner to the same standard? If not a higher standard. More phone calls in our play the dam to this. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife drop off, the dry, cleaning pick-up, some milk figure out something to get out of the house, so I can relax, here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. The good thing you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. 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I love the voice from what we have been told it's very colorful language. He was cursing at Kyle Lowry. But just the whole interaction with another player as an owner, I can't imagine somebody else doing this, because you're on the floor. You're right there with the players. And then all of a sudden you feel the need, or the obligation or the privilege to be able to say, hey, you know what he had done that in Toronto if he was sitting courtside in Toronto. Would he have done that to Kyle Lowry? And the answer is no. You get all puffed up and you got your. Side seats and you know. I'm defending our territory literally, you came over here. And you have something to say to Kyle Lowry. Jeff in Detroit. Hi, jeff. Going on Dan to meet Friday. Maybe put a ribbon air for your boy. I listen, I just worked at tiger stadium, and we had to deal with India's, like that all the time, not a Bill owner just sit on the different level because you're looked at as you know, you're the owner, you know, do stuff like that. And I didn't tell you just like you just got in the saying he was a studio gangster, you know, he would never have done that out in public or if he was in Toronto, but by him being on TV by man. And I think a lot of had with the fact that they were losing and old boy was scorched them. So, you know, he's gonna send a message himself, I believe it should be a little bit longer but suspension because you're the owner thank you. Jeff is always great to hear from you. Have a great weekend. Yet is a meet Friday, traeger, meet Friday. So the girls are all fired up. I'm having potatoes today. We're putting some, some potatoes on the trigger. What are you season with air? No. A little garlic. Oh, yeah. There you go for the blood. Yeah. That's what I'm getting I got that. And the danettes get some kind of steak. I know we've got a gigantic pork tenderloin. Our small. Okay. I don't feel so bad. And then I walk out to the kitchen and fritzy goes, it's national Donut day. And I said, so he goes, we got doughnuts, and I go, great, thanks to make fado shaped like a Donut. I'm trying to work into the, the whole Donut thing. Yes. Yes. He just crushed us Moore's Donut, and it was awesome. I like when you cut it in half. And then one of the backroom guys goes just eat the thing, I took a quarter just going to have. And then I took another quarter. And then it took another quarter, full yourself into thinking you're, you're being held by eating a quarter of a Donut and you eat five quarter tastes just to taste. I wouldn't be able to I wouldn't eat that doughnut if I wasn't on this diet. But the fact that Allen RIT guy slash chef is putting some potatoes on the trigger. Yes. For a couple of donor for look like those hostess cupcakes with you know that white icing that curls the crust the middle had. Did you have on? I have my IRA not yet but yeah, I'm into that man doughnuts. Look, it's national doughnut day. I don't know what that means. Whatever happened in national flannel day, paulie. We haven't we just didn't pay the service fee. Oh, yeah. Because it was a scam where you have to pay to have it marketed. We have our own marketing tool. We have a national radio and TV show. Okay. So we do have national flannel day. I think it's the first Thursday of. November it every year is national flannel day because I just think we need to remind people of that, that we did. We did submit the paperwork. Well, no, we were going to, they were. And here's the thing, I there's this company that you could get a national day for, and they kind of control and how much they call us for a national debt about ten K by ten large, but will they'll do is help market it they'll put on their official lists. And then when people see it's national Donut day, and they promote donuts it helps we don't need that promotion. We can take care of it ourselves. So we save ten because we're not really benefiting unless we're putting out our, our own flannel shirts here. Like what did we get for? We didn't around. I remember Eddie Bauer had national flannel shirt day and flannel shirt season. Yes, is great. And I was happy to help Eddie Bauer. Yes. And, but this would be the third anniversary ocassional platform shirt. Okay. Well, then we don't need to spend ten grand. That's right. We will have our own designated national flannel. You. Basically just released the whole press release that they were gonna charge ten grand for anyway. I know thirty out there you go the first the first Thursday. What is it? I think it was the first Thursday of November. Okay. Even flannel shirt season starts September. I, I was gonna say for you. Does it ever truly end? Not really. No. But, you know, when you go deep when you really get focused, right? More phone calls coming up. Eight seven seven three DP show, your thoughts on the suspension of this minority owner goes back to what I talked about it. The begin big beginning of the show that here we have the NBA finals, and we're talking about other things other than the NBA finals. Now, we are talking a little bit about clay and coming back tonight. And does K D make an appearance? But then it's also about, you know, I'm, I'm hearing that kyri is really interested in the Brooklyn nets, and then the nets trade Allen crab to the hawks to clear up some more money here. And now all of a sudden, who. Who else do the nets going to bring in? There's always drama with some of these other teams. And then with Golden State what's going to happen with Katie? And then you now have the owner of the Golden State Warriors, their minority owner who's been suspended for a year and fined five hundred thousand dollars update. The poll results mclovin, it's sponsored by man versus food on cooking channel, I would love to, but we haven't selected why didn't you, did you want to do that? Would you rather be at any help us? We got distracted with all these side topics just do did the, the NBA get it right with this suspension of the Golden State Warriors minority owner because we have got a couple of tweets wondering about. We got a Carson Wentz versus Dak Prescott tweet which we get all the time now that Carson has signed people are wondering where you put him in the pantheon of young quarterbacks, which we could save. Well, I think he's better than dot Prescott. 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I mean my first question I slipped in there. What don't you do? Let don't idea. Yeah what what are the three things you said that I was writer actor and podcast when I was like I guess I could've just went straight up comedian. Yeah I don't do the first two uh-huh writer actor podcasting Yes Comedian in general. Sure yeah so that's what I don't do. Why are you even here in Atlanta China? What's going on shooting? Something in Atlanta had to let you guys know hoping to God you would have me on the show it worked out now. I'm here you guys are staring at me too. Microphone and let's just have fun with like you said this should be fun. If you're right it should be fun. Little show actually also little okay. That's it thanks for coming in love that love that. Thank you guys so much for having me. You've actually already set a no dunks record. I guess yes. You're the first two time guest on the show because you were on who wants some Trivia. That's right that was I wanted to do better on that show. Let's just put it that that way. It wasn't bad I believe you beat Lee. Yeah the questions were tough and I felt like I should have guessed a few more correct bolstering my score yes would have helped. But we're not here to rehash that being said there was kind of weirdly worded worded. I WanNa talk about No it's actually great timing that you are here in Atlanta that we could get you on the show. Because you're Lakers looking all right. We're your Lakers fan. Twenty four they lost to the answers on Tuesday night. Yes I think. That's sort of your fault. Were you even watching the game I. I'm to blame well in I know. You're a diehard Lakers fan. But we're watching the game. No so the the shoot was happening during the game and I was checking the score. Occasionally I saw. Ad Wasn't playing so my expectations stations were low. And then I looked and we were up late in the fourth which looked promising and then it was Brogden time. Yeah I guess so. I didn't quite get fully recapped as to what happened but it seemed seemed like we stop scoring and then they started scoring more and then the game ended and we were down which was so bizarre. Your favorite team losing. It didn't quite make sense. I I mean are you on top of the world right. Now with the Lakers. Obviously Getting Lebron last year and sort of getting it going again but now adding and being one of the best teams in the League. Yes yeah it's definitely unexpected. We didn't think that we'd be I say we because we're good again so I'm on the twenty four and four. That's it doesn't feel real. It doesn't know if I mean I was optimistic. But then you know like new teams always start slow and Lebron always starts slow chemistry and all this stuff so it doesn't quite make make sense that we've one thousand four hundred twenty games to start the year. What how did you become a Lakers fan? I grew up in L. A.. So everyone was a Lakers fan. So yeah I started watching basketball and like the early ninety s so we had like the fun teams that were sort of over achieving van Exel Eddie Jones years. Yes then shacking. Kobe come around thirteen so like this is awesome. This is great. It's nineteen ninety six and then we start winning championships and I'm in high school and like this is awesome. This is great. We had some lean years again. But that's fine. I'm in college. I don't care about basketball winning again. I'm back on the team then Seven years I can't quite put my finger on what happened but now we're back in ten years. We seem to be championship contention. So that's a fun place to be. Do you think this Lakers team right. Now is should be at the top of everyone's You know title. Contenders are ahead of the clippers. Or the head of the box. What do you what do you think I would put him? Third Right now behind the clippers and the bucks really. Yeah because I think we're doing great but we are also like playing so hard and playing every everybody. Lebron hasn't missed a game. He's averaging thirty five minutes. He feels feels like playoff atmosphere every night. which seems difficult to sustain? How many jerseys of you on your wardrobe at home? I have a lot of shirt sees Baya Dia Kobe Jersey. where I'm going to wear that right but I do have like a Jordan farmer? Shirt satellite launcher Caruso shirt. On the way it's like I like wearing the shirts more so than the jury's they've got to be like a shark. Ib who say favorite pretty great Jordan. The Jewish Jordan I went to UCLA to didn't follow him in college. Yeah not just college but he went to high school in the valley. where I'm from? It's like we knew about him even our college alleged was that the one good thing about the Lakers. Being bad for six or seven years. Or that you've got a chance to go to more Lakers Games. They were still like super. I don't don't know what we were doing for the last seven years I look back. I'm like wow was rooting for that team. Why was that like so I was still watching laker games but like West Johnson was our starting for Edano? This felt it felt normal at the time and now I look back on like wow what were we thinking. I can't believe we were like ever like so emotionally invested in a nick young lead Laker team. But we were sometimes. Those crappy teams are the way the more enjoyable teams. I remember the wins because we only had seventeen of them. I want to beat the thunder. Now is fun. That was weird like Nick. Young hit a game winner in San Antonio. We didn't have to win that game right you you brought it up there. It sounds like you're almost worried. I guess a little bit about the workload. Lebron has taken on right now in seventeen. Personally I'm worried I'll let him know but he's a yeah it seems like he i. It's bizarre like if I were him I would. I feel soared as watching these games. Like he looks so beat at the end of it but then like two days later. He's like back. There and layup lines feeling spry. spry again maybe he gets. It's almost like he gets energized from winning more so than resting like he'd rather play and win that makes them feel better long-term than not playing at all but maybe that's just like the air that he puts out there because he wants to show off. How little minutes? He's taking awesome. Yeah I mean he's talked about it a couple of times now about this whole like I'm not doing this load management thing and I have a kid coming to see me might be last time during a Leonard Right. Why would I take a night off? It doesn't make sense to me. I feel fine where you're at a game recently. The walls else game incredible seats. Wow thank you. I listed to me but I didn't pay for no God. No I would never afford Lord it can you. I heard you on the podcast talking about them and we often have conversations about the best seats in the house. Yeah do you think you were sitting in the best seat in the House that undescribed the seat for the okay. So the seat. Was You when you think Bessie in the house. You think courtside usually but we're I was. It was like Fifteen Rosa Dead Center so it felt like where an owner would sit or like the king would sit during like a gladiator where you were just like dead center a little higher elevated. You're like I can see everything like nobody move. I'm like I'm like the the prime location to watch the entire game because when you're sitting courtside it's awesome of only had the pleasure of doing it once be he can't see the other side of the court because you're so close to the action when you're eligible you can see everything right and you're not like behind the basket we're like part of the basket is blocking part of the court so it did feel a little little bit like the best seats in the house without necessarily sitting in the best seats in and sometimes they even put broadcasters up there because of their vantage point that's right it felt like thousand that was the TV angle Yeah you're the camera cameras would have been there and I remember I test. I can't remember if you came with us. But we got bills tickets once or a bunch of us. We're I'M GONNA drive from Toronto Down to the sea the Buffalo Bills Place. Obviously when we were in Toronto and I was like in charge. I guess we're getting the tickets and I found them online of course and it was like front row front row crazy like forty fifty bucks a pop or whatever. I'm like I'm doing this for all this is going to be. The guys are going to be amazing front row tickets. NFL game maybe the worst of all time yeah. You can't see anything because all the guys are always standing on the sideline that's horrible vantage. especially if you're like behind the end zone you're like I. I can't see what's going on one hundred thirty yards away and so they were all mad at first front row. Nice job. HUSKIES and then they're like after the worst Steve. We've ever sat at fifty bucks back but you had good ones there to see. Anthony Davis go for Fifty Fifty Fifty Burger. He called it which I've always heard fifty piece which was like a chicken nugget there now. It's a fifty burger. The twitter search deceive like. Did he just make that up on the spot or has always been fifty burger. What do you I think I think recently caught on and it doesn't make any sense now right fifty piece at least it makes sense? That's something you can order. If you order a fifty burger maybe at white castle like the case. Yeah but a fifty burger. That's not a thing. No yeah it. Sounds like a sponsor thing burgers fifty cent introducing the fifty burger but it is a thing. Yeah Yeah yes so. He had done he where he had set it before. Fifty Burger like a pelicans twitter accounts using that So he's just trying to get away from on the fifty patients trying to create his iron little little market here. Why not have you guys ever heard of forty piece like I? What point does it become? Piece yeah 'cause I ever ever James Harden dropping a sixty piece and but there's not a forty piece right that's too easy to get. I've never heard questioning. Seems like a good amount of pieces. Yeah too many pieces right. You don't want that many pieces anyway. I duNno I does. McDonald's sell a fifty piece. I think yeah but twenty. Twenty points is like nothing no bragging about a twenty minute average but I think they did use to sell like part time only like a fifty piece. He's boxed does that sound familiar to you guys. Wow yeah well. Maybe if you're sitting in the king seats they'll just bring you show. That's Burger King Fifty Burger. Well that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around Windows Really Fifty Burger mean. What does that even is that just a bigger burger is it or is it fifty burgers the sliders version? Yeah I don't know just trying to sell things he's like. I came from New Orleans. I'm in in La time to make some money. Yeah just selling stuff like he had the glow in the dark chips ditty that before. La Or la like a month ago. He was selling a glow in the dark where he was a spokesman for the glow in the dark ruffles bag. So you know when you're it's two o'clock in the morning and you re over you find the bag product but he was marketing it just a good personality. Does he have a personality. Yeah is he like. Does he have more of a personality than Paul. George George no I think so. You think Paul George more personal less. What does he do for in his in his casual his spare time? Yeah I know Paul George George Fishes fishes. There's one thing that Paul George has does. Anthony Davis doesn't even pick out his own clothes. said that Photon multiple times. They pick it up for me. I wear it so he doesn't have an opinion on what he's putting on his body. The Uni Brow is kind of his fair. That's a thing that's a choice waste. It's a decision. Yeah people prey on lobby for him to shave it. He doesn't do that. That's a thing but I don't know ever since he's like been scooped into Lebron's Orbit it feels like he's trying to like find his what's his voice his personality. 'cause they clutch wants him. It seems to be like the the next big thing right and Lebron's vary like actively like yeah come over videos together so cool. I love hanging out with them. Uh I don't mean like. Does he listen to music. Does he go to a show. Does he like movies. You know he's from Chicago. Yeah you don't want to go back there. Fortunately go to visit. He hasn't taken it off the table still in play eighteen. Trying to think we've never had him on the show task tonight. We had a very very a brief interaction with. Anthony Davis All star weekend. We they asked us to do this sort of a shirtless almost like a vr commercial with them. It was Bradley beal and Anthony. He was nice definitely personable. I mean kind but there wasn't a whole lot L. so he was personally courteous. It was he polite courteous. If you were going to say three things that he wasn't you wouldn't say courteous because he was curious. But you're yeah ask I mean have you ever met him. Have you met any knockers. Maybe Lebron Clutch will out of a pull it out of him. They are definitely trying. Yeah that's the thing it's you are you sort of either. Have it or you. Don't though right. I don't think I don't think you really learn to have a person the pitch meetings I mean. You can't learn to have a personality. Although the thing is you can throw the other like why he has no personality but he he just doesn't tell us this person. Just don't talk. Yeah that's the thing with. Yeah you nailed it with Paul. George doesn't have a personality but he's trying to act like a super star guy. It doesn't it just doesn't read right to me. What about clothes? It was like Paul George wears like funky cool clothes I don't think. Ads Wearing funky cool clue. That's right. That's a good point fishing and close. Paul George I like him now. Also a logo logo right. Everyone's got the I I don't know I know. PG definitely does that. We're like triangle. Like Yeah Yeah. Yeah says. Eighty doesn't have a signature. That doesn't feel right right. He's like one of the top five players. Say Big guys don't sell shoes. And they gave him like his own. That came out a couple of years ago and they were just gigantic. But I don't know maybe not as in La the the hook them up right. Yeah you don't have to buy the size that he wears. That's the thing I guess I'll be tripping over my feet for a long time. What shoes do you hoop in play pickup? Oh Yeah I wear I wear Kobe's yeah classes. is He your favorite player of all time. He's definitely has like the most emotional attachment to me because for thirteen to thirty three. He was on the Lakers win championships. Like like I feel the most kinship Koby right but not your do you have a favorite player. Walton fanfare for like I Love Derek Fisher. I loved WBT. Obviously I love shack. Love Alex Caruso I love Brandon Ingram. I loved Eddie Jones. So they're like favorites. That went in and out of my life but Kobe. Wisconsin Cope was always there. What type of pickup game do you have a great question? You asked me that before I have. I'm always fascinated by people that talk about the or a living like like us included. If they can play what game they have yeah. I'm not very good. I'm like a high basketball. IQ Low athletic ability. Kind of guy. 'cause I know what I should be doing right but I can't do it like have you. Have you guys ever been bowling after like taking a decade off. And you're like I know where to throw the YOU WANNA hit that pocket but I throw it like that goes to the left or right so that's how I feel about shooting. I'm like sometimes I shoot it and it was great belt right even though it didn't go in and then sometimes it's just like such an Air Ball. You're like how did I do that. Why what did I do right? Why did I miss three feet off literally three feet off? You're not afraid to shoot though at the beginnings of games. I like to warm up I am too. I need to like get into a sweat. I can't walk onto the court after not playing basketball for two weeks. They've thrown me the bomb wide open. I'm like I can't shoot right now. Don't even like let me like. But but then that's even worse than shooting missing. Sometimes wide open can't cite try and I've tried to be a team player. I just don't want to embarrass myself out there. You play regularly like once. We talked about once a week. Do you play with other comedians. Yes so the bar is already low. And I'm not quite at the media and we get a scouting outing report on these other. Nobody to famous I will say bench words. My Buddy who's in parks and REC in a bunch of stuff is a great shooter. He's a great he's like a Demar margerison like from like fifteen to twenty like you'll make eighteen corner of free throw line extended shots in a row which I can't do I can't make eighteen. Seventeen seventeen footers in a row. And he's a fairly seems a little tall he's tall and he's about six feet but I thought he was saying. Okay he's He's not super athletic but he's an incredible shooter a so he doesn't like playing in games like he'll beat you guys in horse. Maybe not Li but he doesn't really play like five games Yeah 'cause much like me me. Were very breakable. We don't WanNA likes like if you twist an ankle or tears. AC Alec what do you do for a year. I can't do my job because I tried to clean a basketball game. It's scary. You guys ever like get scared off by injuries. Yeah every time I get ready to play basketball. I think I'm GonNa Shatter my leg Roy. That's a real thing I've played with people who like toward their ACO during a pickup game toward their Achilles. That guy can't walk for a year. Now Hobby sorry to swear but it's true. What age are you like? I shouldn't play. It's I mean you guys are fathers. That's like devastating if you tear your killy's corruption or Achilles and you can't walk for a year that's one. That's scary is an Achilles. An Achilles is scary. Because you're not going to be able to walk and ACLU like whatever it'll he'll join because we don't really need acl's really see you you could tear UC l.. But not just let it fix it. I mean it'll probably heard a lot but I would be. I'd be more concerned about breaking something and an Achilles. But you're right I mean you're not gonna be able to chase the kids around but yeah I mean. I've played a lot of times. I've got hurt a Lotta Times but I've got not hurt more time. Let's get worse injuries. Task I broke my Femur cry playing sports say playing sports because it sounds cooler career like software. It was foosball right. Somebody just sort of Sh- what does it. What are those things yes i? Yeah Yeah it was one of those foodball tables where the handles had been removed. So as thick steak folk directly by have you ever been injured ankles and a few broken fingers and things like that One time though. I missed a couple of games because I was playing in a league but I was in. I was like supposed to be playing under four teams playing under six things lanes for some reason. Baller it was there was something to do with the scheduling anyway. baller this guy threw the ball trying to like find a cutter going baseline and he threw it straight into my chest. Knock me down like I was out. He got he got. I think he got elected from the game for what it was They thought it was like malicious. Che's and I'll have to two weeks I had like like really bruised. Rats what happens to me. I like I have no padding if if an elbow like hits a rip direct. I'm like I feel it instantly. Feels like windows knocked out of me. I'm like I can't sleep for the next four weeks because of that like little looks like you're never going like inside side. No it's not worth it. It's not worth like. I went up for a rebound once and I landed on someone's foot I'm like great. I three months sucks. Yeah I was. I never worried about that. And then we're playing this REC team named the sex warriors. And I got an elbow to the rib guy was guy was going on a little hard in the post. Got An elbow to the RIB. Weeks serve using will never heal. Yeah it's awful it does but you know what balls life well. That's yeah that's right you don't want to stop playing just because of the fear of twisting an ankle and stuff like that you'll enjoy it. Sounds like playing basketball. I do enjoy. I haven't stopped yet. Alad as people fall like your next. Yeah my buddy. Adam broke his foot. He hasn't played in a year. That's not so we do just prefer to what shoot around play. Bump play horse prefer to play by play so passively that it affects the game. I'm not trying to go for a rebound so I'm not trying to sprint. Went after some stop the layup. That's fine fake point and click game like you don't WanNa be the guy that like jobs back on D. because I don't want hurt my Achilles Gillies he'll like somebody bumped me earlier. Somebody River Right. These are. You're never playing an organized games with referees. And just yeah I I tried that too and I was even worse than those leagues where it's like super like Organiz yeah organized with people. Trying too hard. So weird weird five. Do you have a good group of guys right now or girls that are that is an indoor which is great. He used to play outdoor. And that used to hurt me too. And and the next day. Even if you don't get injured I just feel like I'm like limping around. Yeah we we need to get the back story of how. Oh you and jake started making those videos with Rick. Fox Lakers legend Rick Fox that was a highlight of the videos. A gentle making three or four. Yeah and then we shot a pilot TV pilot and he was in it. So like we would have been like Coworkers it's incredible. So how did all that come about. So I was working at college humor comedy website. New York Rick Fox's son was a big fan of the website and so my boss was that this like Soiree Fancy Party where Rick Fox was at and he was talking to him. I run college humor and then Rick Fox. Oh my son loves that he loves those guys JACOMB EAR and my boss. Ricky knew that I was a huge Laker Fan. He's like a mere loves you probably because he's a huge Laker Fan. That's great like I should be video and he's like yeah definitely like we like exchanged emails. I'm like yeah you should be Jacob Video Man. We love you so so. We had low expectations because with athletes don't really like their area of expertise is playing basketball. I'm not good at basketball. So why should he be good acting sure but he was as good if if not better than being jake and he was also a professional athlete and he's also like insanely hot so they can do seemingly every yeah. It's insane insane to watch. And we were like throwing him weird like esoteric inside jokes and he was sorry going along with it he was so good are fans love him now now and like he's like when he's on a twitch stream I e sports pickup or whatever like there's a small subsection of fans of his that just know him from our videos that that don't necessarily watch basketball. We made him obsessed with eggs. We made Mary a chicken. We may have made them do a bunch of stuff and he was game for all of it always wondered like you're throwing these crazy ideas at him. Did he ever go no way. I'm not doing no. He also saw some yes he was into it and he like elevated he made it so much funnier than it needed to be and he's also so Rick Fox in addition to that he's a three time NBA champion. It's amazing it's awesome to see. Did you get to sign anything or tried to play it cool. I wanted to be friends with him. Or you get his autograph and you were successful. Yeah plus we have videos with him which is like all the proof. I need that I met friends. Yeah yeah show summit that Napkin that I made them sign although Rick if you're listening at least autographed task. He's we've had him on the show before is Super Nice Guy. He's great. He's good at everything and he's like he wanted to get close to his son so like bought. An e sports franchise unlike was great at that too. So it's like there's blue literally nothing he can't do also married Miss Universe was she at the Williams. Yeah well she the tot on she she definitely was if she was raining but he but he He done acting. He's acting hasn't he yeah he has done serious acting and he's like show right now and he's doing great at that. There's literally nothing you can't do. He's also like six eight bucks. He's the man other people people in the college humor office like. Wow that's Rick Fox. That's cooler relates. Maybe a handful of other Jake Jake's no fan fan by any means he wasn't he was you just see like when you see a professional basketball player like that guy and no is famous. Yeah tall handsome but but there were no other huge Laker fans in the office. So it's just a a private joy that I get I feel and then even made some videos without jake and it was just like me. Fox got some alone time. It's about time Africa. Fox's great is it true. Your favorite favorite song is blue trousers. You guys did Great Research Sal. You'd yes that came up recently. SELENA PODCAST I did call pup jam where we dissect songs or the host sex song guest and she had never heard of it. I guess it was submitted by a fan into like as a potential song too. That's my favorite song. We should do. That's on this guys. Know the song. Yeah Song about a song. That's right. It's the song long is about how writing a song the lyrics don't matter as long as the music is really good I'm thirty six right now so I feel like if you were thirteen gene to sixteen in one thousand nine hundred nineteen ninety-six. You love this on. But the host was thirty. She had never heard of before right. Really Yeah and then so she is at the end of the episode. It's meal who's hosting the show said. Sorry it's hard for me to concentrate with the best song. The dancing is a rolling back. The back of my head. You know the fast song the end the fast part at at the end. It's sort of a wrap sort of a diddy or whatever So at the end she punches up the jam. But I'm like this song's perfect. You can't punch it up and less. You make that part about about basketball or the Lakers in some way interesting okay. I don't know anything about basketball. But my brother's huge Laker Fan. He can give me some tips. And she rewrote and reproduce that end part which is forty six seconds of her sing rapping and instead of about gibberish. is about the Lakers this year. I hope it's good and it made my day. I don't know if you I have that. I didn't go then. Let me check on twitter account posted this video audio audio version of it. So if that at all appeals to you yeah it was a great punch-up of that Jan and there's about one hundred episodes such that show now every episode. She takes a song and eventually like Y- punch it started off as like what songs could Be Punched Up and it was me Ellen Demi. WHO's another podcast? Demi left the show. So now it's just me L. Talking about people's either at least favored averred. Most favorite most talked about song die second and then punching it up in some way shape or form. One of the other. PODCASTS yours buckets. That's right on the head Guy Network. Yeah how long have you been doing that. Why did you start it? I started it because I was looking to start another podcast. Jake my co-host for if I were you started a very successful dungeons and dragons share with his friends. I've listened. I've said that he's you brought up on this show absolutely did and I got a lot of twitter responses people saying oh they checked they loved it or I love. That show is insanely popular like he had no idea neither. Did I really how popular dungeons and dragons in general but that show specifically specifically so my new podcast. But I don't really like like that. I don't really WanNa talk about this. I don't really want to start another basketball. podcast as you guys know. There's lots of them out there MHM There's nothing else I would wanNA talk about for like an hour a week besides the NBA sound like just Oregon I'll start an MBA. Show myself it. It could be about like Phantom and talking to comedian friends. That could be my unique way in doing it. Not As popular as the Dragon Show if you can imagine. I'm not selling hang out seven hundred person venues. It's fun for me to do to talk about because I'm already talking to my friends about basketball all the time and might as well record some of the Christians nations right and you have you. Have you know look okay. It's not Jake's dungeons and dragons Crowd but as far as are a small little following that you are getting like people tweeting in there's a small mall overlap in the Ven Diagram of comedian fan friends and basketball fan friends that overlap and like the show. But it's a lot like you know if you guys like this show. It's it's like a kind of a friend's chatting about basketball more. So than like the XS and Os of games if there was one NBA player. You could get on as a guest right now Alec your booking them next week. Who really want to sit down and talk to for an hour? Yeah it's funny because I threw a weird connection like. BJ Armstrong was on the show. Wants to be a beach Benjamin Joseph arms but like having players on on a show like mine like almost like not a good guest because they're scripted answers. I don't have like a chemistry with them or ask them questions. They've probably answered before they have to give polite. PC DC responses so probably Rick Fox again would be the best guest on my show has to happen. Yeah you would think so rick. If you're listening again really appreciate your time okay. What about someone a celebrity That you may be no is a basketball fan or something. Yeah uh I would love to talk Zach Lowe actually. I've never talked okay. Yeah shared some tweets. DMZ stuff. Like I don't know if anyone's ever like had him on the show to talk about his story. I'm not really sure what his origin story is. So like. He's he's not quite a celebrity but like he's considered like A. I guess the top of my basketball comedy hybrid celebrity people that I can get on the show sure and he said a lot of Comedians on recently on his show he actually comedian. I thought I was as a writer. Actor podcast yes so hopefully that happens one day. That seems tangible. Oh yeah yeah no him texting one of you right now. The wife was like a student of his. Oh really yeah. He was a teacher for a time. That's weird not a very diligent agent. He quit yeah they gave him A. What was the class? They gave him that he was not some people really. I said film study of something like that. He just he he just put on T. movies but I'm not sure if it was. Yeah I know it was a high school class is a high school class. He had just became a teacher. Yeah I think it was a yeah. See you're what happened to be a high school student at the school war. He taught one hundred percent. Wow Yeah he put on movies. He was hungover teacher. Yeah I heard about those kinds of teachers. Yeah he wasn't. This wasn't his class. It shouldn't have been given this classic. He shouldn't have been giving this sinus whatsoever. He would have done it if if it was his realm he would have killed it. I'm sure we're definitely getting Zach Lowe professor low on buckets. Yeah Orono thanks for sure one of the other guys to do it if I were you. The advice podcast. Yeah with With Jake obviously that's a hugely successful. You guys do live shows. We've seen them here in Atlanta. I thought maybe you could try and give some some basketball advice to some hypotheticals that have come up with. Maybe the other guys can think of one off the off the top blur don't to the first one was considering. Like what if a star player is rights into you and it's like I'm a star player on ex team and I I do not like our team's city addition jerseys I hate them. I don't WanNa wear off. Can I get some advice. Jake and Amir what. What would you say to that that player player? Which player do you think is most likely to write that in? Yeah let's let's say let's just go with the cream city jerseys. Let's say as silly as he. He is Robin Lopez like these jerseys. Yeah I mean they don't have a choice right so like I can't quite navigate that situation. They have to wear the jerseys right. He can you know what he can do is play the bat. The old back spasm illness injury players resting. They say Oh yes quaters backseat acting up. Anybody's back can hurt right like professional. Anybody can have back spasms so like just tell your trainer later on getting back spasms that's not quantifiable. They can't test for that. Yeah it's not like Oh does it hurt. Yeah it hurts. There hurts their sure my lower back sore. Then you're in street clothes during the city edition nights. They probably let them know ahead of time which games they're GONNA do to some extent at least a day before shoot around. I'm not really sure. How the order of operations operations but so you're basically just come up with an injury? Go at the back. You don't have to wear them on that on the day as they call it all right. Good advice what about this one. Let's just say it's from Dion on waiters. You've taken a weed gummy on a team flight. Yeah panic is starting to set in. And what do I do Jacob. I do well that one specific thing was a short flight so like I'm probably not getting to him by the time he has to land and I think he's either have you seizure. Sure or in some way shape worm so I'll probably get to him too late but I have to let them know that like that happens. That's normal probably took and that's another problem. I have with like weed food. They never dose it correctly. Like I've talked to friends of mine who get high a lot more than I do. And they're like. Oh Oh you can't have the whole gummy. It's a small gummy bear. Like what are you just Sweden the gummy. Don't make me split like well. You sucked on the whole jolly rancher Richard Jolly rancher. What do you want me to do like just like every other piece of candy? I've ever eat the whole thing the whole cookie. Yeah Cookie. I'm I'm sorry I didn't split it into six or whatever they want me to do. So Yeah we've all been there you gotta ride it out. Close Your eyes try to fall asleep. The the highest I've ever been was when a friend of mine who did get highlight gave me A. We jolly rancher. He's like this is something I suck on even before I get high. So it's like something that you'd like. He he takes to like set the mood of a high. This big deal I can. I can have a we jolly rancher but like my tolerance was so low because I rarely get high. We're at an indoor in door arena football game talking about your buffalo bills. This is like one step below that it wasn't the XFL indoor arena football. Bon Jovi had a team. Yes yes kiss. Lat deemed had the drawing rancher. Felt so high that I felt like my mind body was in a suit of armor and the armor was my body so like I was trapped in the in the body of my whatever my soul was stuck in an armor and I couldn't move I was paralysed and I'm like you know what I have to just get up and get food. I'm just going to get up and get food so like stood up in it like you know waving very like weird kind of anti gravity underwater feeling got to the concession stand and stare at the menu. I'm like Oh damn it. I don't Wanna eat so like a stare at the menu and I was like I will have. I've too hot chocolates football game. I don't even come back. I got hot. Aw what a weird thing to order for yourself from one week. That's not okay. Jolly rancher sure should get kill. You feel for Dionne. Really been there. Lucid Vice Now suspended for something else. He's not on the heat anymore. Yeah he was on. He was on a boat us on the other supposed to be sick and instagram and he got another three games. I said he was seasick so he wasn't considering. Here's one more from me again. Maybe the other guys have one Let's say you're on a date at a basketball game okay. You're you're with a beautiful young a young woman if you are a man. Let's say or it could be as well but you're with your with your date and You got some gas issues and Something's bruin parting situation. And you don't want to hurt but decide to hold it in to the point where you are writing. It's hurt your rushed to the hospital. Oh because you wouldn't start okay. Some called trapped win. I don't know if you've ever heard of it familiar familiar from just this from an honest advice to someone that's been through that situation or or is again in that situation where they need to there. Yeah I yeah well yeah you should far Outta game on an airplane so loud in there you might as well rip ass and it's probably loud enough. Hide that noise right. Yeah the earliest you go to the bathroom but then by the time you stand up then it goes away then you sit down and you're feeling again you're like what am I supposed to like. Sit on a toilet now probably yes. You should've but at this point the damage is done. I guess you have to come up with a cool. Fakes stomach. Excuse although there aren't a lot of cool stomach ailments back thanks Bassin's which I'm sure you felt that in your back anyway. So whoever the young who knows who said I would say the person wasn't so worried about the sound downed probably more best smell. Yeah but then you know again. Eighteen thousand people. That's it that's the fascinating part of dilemma. I do agree. It's not like you're not in a small little booth at a restaurant and if you rip at she's going to know it to you. You were surrounded by fifteen thousand people. I have to disagree with you. skeets I sit. I sit beside him. She would have been on so it was war. You hit the nail on the head there because if you get up okay for a walk and then it goes away okay. That's down boom comes back. Right aren't eat popcorn. I think that's that's the problem. Let let me answer. This one won't have trapped with grandfathered in front of your wife now because it's a doctor's orders on following being nice. I don't hold it in. I have a prescription medical science. Obey the remedy may have been jolly rancher story grabbed too hot chocolates. Call me in the morning. The odor of the hot chocolates would have definitely squashed over the I I think is that why deep inside of my brain it's totally. I'll have to chop that Classic Stadium Food Jolly Rancher seems so innocent. Yeah before we let you go. We got a flight to catch back to L. A. Some rapid fire fun. Let's do it all right first one. Oh you don't get the sound. I guess if you want to do all right. I'm a fan so I'd like to hear that. Yeah it does doesn't it. You'll know you've done it right if jd has to restart at the sock long. That's how you're doing it rapid rapid about Rafael Right. I'm your favorite movie White men can't jump. Wow Yeah yeah. Repick Grey Grey Flick Watched it again. Holds up still great and whenever you watch it I'm always like don't do the dunk contest. It's like you just won the money. Go home to your wife. He never does it. Which makes me think they should get celebrities to reshoot scenes in movies that you wish went differently so like their traffic home? And it's like I am going to take the money back to Rosie Perez. And then they go home they have sex and the movie ends. They should do an alternate version of Louise Lake on trump. The movie the next one. What's your one guilty pleasure Pride gambling. Yeah that's advice you don't really drink or smoke or I duNno Watch a lot of porn but I do. Yeah just the average amount the average human amount of foreign twelve hours. Yeah Yeah I do like gambling on basketball football. Drafting Your Fan Duel. That's right came on one one one contest and never came back they call it a hit and run. We appreciate it. Nonetheless did come back and I lost. We'd love to have you back. We need five. I people every day. Right sometimes only have three or four so if any of you guys WanNa give it a go. I didn't like fantasy basketball so I don't. I know you rolling your eyes at the fantasy basketball. There's something thinking about fan duel where it's just like one day's worth of watching that you have to get through and they boil it all down. Two points rebounds assists all become like one unit the man it makes it very easy and simple and fun. You're playing with your friends. Not against like a million people. I do like that part now. You're losing money but you're losing to your friends five of us Bills like someone's to win even by accident. Yeah and you're trying to find those hidden gems on the schedule that nightly everybody's going to try and pay whatever but oh Caruso Roussel yeah yeah. What's The dumbest thing you've bet on? I bet that Hillary would win the election and I bet half of a a bitcoin which ended up being worth like eleven thousand dollars but now is probably worth a lot less than that because she lost the election so I was doing some sort of weird hedge. I was like betting with a a crypto currency that could have been affected by the election. So yeah I guess that wasn't done our democracies. I was actually the one that bit technically didn't you. I mean she won votes on the phone nitrogen sports. You won the popular Amir. What's your biggest pet peeve Biggest pet PM. I actually had. I had one recently or I sorry again How many is that because I got four Biggest penalty what do I dislike. There's there's so many things I don't like sorry a pet peeve but I don't like the taste of beer at all I really dislike beer. You dislike beer so much that when we read the hawks game this sweet and had the passes to kyle who hooked us up with the passage where we can have free food and free beer. You wouldn't even have the free beer you're spending like eighteen. That's right well. The game was free so eighteen dollars on a whiskey felt fine yeah. I don't like the taste of beer. Tastes like bitter things like sour things sour sour. GUMMY also I very like eight year. Old Boys tasted all right. We know like you drink coffee or wine as a kid and you're like Oh this is grows to adult strength that I still say that grows hot chocolate. Come back not red wines. Shirley temple please What's your must have travel item Wireless headphones okay. Solid you pop up to the wire. Although the problem is when you're watching inflate television issue really make a Bluetooth connection for that. 'cause I always forget him in record that I have to then plug into my house and then some people have the The APP now so you can watch live. TV younger phones. That eggs out beyond wireless headphones must have traveled. Travelled out if you had one superpower what would it be I would want a dunk a basketball ones. It's not really a superpower because ever died is Tall yeah that's awesome literally not for like twenty years. Yeah every year. It is my new year's resolution. This is the year I'm throwing down again. So maybe twenty twenty. When was your last dunk? Thank my last dunk would have been in college so like two thousand five. That's cool do you have a video of it like outside you get video outside Cabras I. I'm glad you answer that with dunking Schubert. Because I remember as a kid or probably not even as a kid a teenager thinking if you could if you had outta Jeanie and whatever you can make a wish like could you wish to be the greatest basketball player in the world and but then I was always in my head. I was like you couldn't hit every every shot right so like you'd have to like make it easy to suspicious. Yeah so it's like what would you tell the genie like allow you to do like seven out of ten shots Eva ten shots like for me to make the NBA being five ten. Yeah I would have to in theory be able to hit. I assume eighty percent of the again for math. Yeah you miss eighty percent of the shots a question if you literally never missed. What's let's go through that process? Would you make it to the NBA. Yeah like how that happened like okay you go to your shooting by yourself. You don't miss like right now. I got this power right now. That's right so what Hap- like who do you have to convince. I think you have to contact your Maurits Tweeden and be like video of Munich. Threes in a row. What he what he then contact you or you like Nice? Good job the G. League tryout it's like one hundred fifty bucks you get in you make every single shot you go to the G. League and make every single shot they're like why do you think it's killing an an open tryout for you if you personally or they'd be like guys too slow to play defense anyway. It doesn't matter that he made all of his shots. But I don't know I was keeping track back. Use Your one hundred percent for one month. You'll get called up. Yeah but what could you be positive. A net positive the NBA team. Like by the time you get back on defense. Everyone's already defense. Would you play defense side of the court anytime they got. Shut us. Stop no matter what any missed they would just chuck it down you shoot. It goes in a three kings doing this one hundred percent shooter. Forget we saw could've been Okay come more. What's the best way to make an egg scrambled man? I don't like a soft egg. I don't like around. It doesn't feel right although I did have that far meg tasks and personally. I know that was good. Because the yolk sort of turned into Asaf cracking open an egg and it just runs all over my plate and like lapping up love unhealthy. Yeah it's an uncooked egg but it's soup cooked it good question. You GotTa risk it you gotTa risk it with biscuit. And then there's like beef star Star. Now look so people okay so everything you know about. Eating raw foods is out on cooked Burger. That's fine and uncooked egg. Yeah slug what's bad for. Are you chicken neck. I heard of. I know Mattio used to love to go get a Horse Tartar. Raw Horse Meat. Is that bind to have have. I think they had a runny. Yoke on top of it too. So you're really. You're really putting yourself out there. Salmonella like a reorder blowing it to the children of America where it's like you know it's probably a one in a million anything but let's say it's poison. Can I eat a raw chicken breast and be fine. Only one way to find out. Yeah bringing in. I really am hoping eighty goes for fifty again in and says he dropped an uncooked burger piece on a fifty tar tar time. I find a one here. Obviously a weird one Who'd rather fight Jake? The snake or jake from Jacob Mirror I would I almost bought jake once. He pants me in the middle of the street and I got so like masterly offended that I started like slapping the back of his shoulder belt so like I couldn't control myself and that was the closest we got through in fact. We're roughly the same size again. I'm very breakable. I can't even play basketball cheek. Curiosity who'd win basic Amir thank you so much. Thank you got about studios a huge fan so this is very exciting to be on the show. I wish we were talking about something other than myself but here we are going to hear about. Let Asa we'll have you back on. I mean Hopefully back in Atlanta. You'd have a gray maybe shooting. Some things enter rick. Let let let everybody know listening. Obviously obviously you can follow you how to check. Oh Fuck it's all yeah. I guess twitter Instagram snapchat. Tick Tock viral tick. Tock Tick Tock you are are you guys are picked up where you guys don't know there's a no dunk zinc tick tock account. Wow waiting just waiting until we know what to do with it literally. What do you do at tick? Tock Yeah I was sort of just watch people. People dance too old for snapchat now like that has passed me. I can't I can't it's amazing. Talk is amazing. Yeah I haven't account to just for it's just. The kids are really creative. You're crying push the Mike Away. Our podcast around head gum. which is our podcast network? So good ahead DOT com. There's something forever right uses the punch-up Jams my NBA. Show the advice. Show If anybody wants podcast here Let me know Plop it on that easy. We've been doing a survivor podcast. Long Time. We'll oh have you signed sealed. We're calling it the merge. Oh Yeah Oh. We're back on the hook. SORTA HARMONICA SOLO Olympic. Can't fast forward. I guess we'll have to listen to the whole nine minutes of your thank you so much man and Hopefully we'll talk just in of course thank you again.

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The many lives and legacies of Kobe Bryant

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28:53 min | 1 year ago

The many lives and legacies of Kobe Bryant

"At any given time there are probably no more than a couple of dozen people who were known to the planet by first name. Only it feels like that should be an honor that the world decides to grant to somebody but it's not it's the result survey singular person resting that name away from everyone else making a surname unnecessary by sheer force of personality or will L. or excellence or notoriety or all four of those like Kobe. The and be loved the feeling of being a five time chip even people who are known by only one name during their lifetime are humans though they might seem like legends alleges. That means that they aren't perfect but it also means that they're not the same person forever they might be frozen in one place in our minds and our memories but that's us. It's not even as people like Kobe. Exist in this strange Pantheon there's still changing still evolving. Their story is still being written or at least it should be but the other side of the human behind the legend is that that means they are ultimately just as frail as the rest of us and that too is a reminder that no matter outer wear any of us think we are in the long story of our lives. There's always a chance that without knowing it we are writing the final chapter. Why did you decide to write this book about a girl playing tennis? I have four girls at home and I WANNA make sure some poor at happy you'll see characters that look like them and the Oscar goes to Dear Basketball Glenn. Everything I've learned came from Kobe. Everything take Kobe away. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have love or whatnot impression to drive everything everything. I'll make that chapter account like Kobe I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings. This is the big story Donovan. Bennett of sports net. Someone usually talk to happier times in the sporting world. Hello Donovan Hello here once again not a feel good story unfortunately no but why don't you start because you've been covering basketball and probably been a fan of basketball a lot longer. What's your first memory of hearing the name Kobe? I mean my first first memory. I guess would be like Kobe and brandy going to the prom together. Like that's how young literally he was when he became a one name. Person Right the Hobie and brandy the biggest one of the biggest female popstars. R&B Singers in the world and Kobe. Right the still a flourishing basketball player. But he wasn't yet a an all star and all time great but he was already a celebrity in even the myth of him started early. Those talks about him in the draft process. Having this amazing mazing workout that Jerry West someone. WHO's not big on hyperbole? Kind of Saint Louis. I haven't seen anything like this and especially a kid coming out of high the school at the time and almost basically wanting to stop the workout immediately just because he didn't want it to get out how well it was going in you know in a way trying to tank you know Kobe's value and the trade that happens between Charlotte and the Lakers and Co basically saying. I don't WanNa be a Hornet. Because because he knew the Lakers were in on him and he wanted to be a Laker. He had seen their games on tape delay growing up in Italy where his dad was was playing as a pro. Oh that's part of the mythos of him that he wanted. Hollywood you Harry from the beginning from from a very young age right in this was before we saw high school school mixed tapes of players on Instagram and we knew what a force Zion Williamson or RJ. Or even Lebron James were right. This was really l. e. like all you're hearing is just rumors and Innuendo in. There wasn't really great footage and so he for good and for bad had ushered in this wave of players coming straight out of high school so much so that later we had to course correct and say well no. We can't have of these players coming from high school as readily because they're all not Kobe Bryant and Kobe in a way became like a big brother to those a young guys. Yeah Tracy McGrady talked about the fact that he would go out and stay at his house L. A. and they would train together and we'll get into it in this conversation in and he is a fully formed complex person like I think when we look at celebrities we look at them in his linear way on a time line. Just look at their Kapadia beds. They did this. They did this this and then they died and of story where they're they're complex in Kobe. When you think about him you think of fierce competitor wanted to do everything you think twin and that doesn't really compute with him being a mentor? Being someone who's willing to give his time. Some of them might have been ego just in fact I love that people are coming to me as the resource of how to get better in basketball but certainly he was a reference point for players later in his generation for players after his generation. Today I think that is a big part of his legacy. What happened on Sunday? Okay tell me about the crash first of all but the hours following that when There were a whole bunch of stories out there and nobody. He seemed to know exactly what had happened. And what was going on around the league at that time. Think why it hits so hard one of the reasons is because of how and when it happened so Sunday I mean theoretically that's like a family day on the weekend middle the day Sunday anyways. I was literally with my family having Brunch with a brother other than my mother and my young son and I just got home and I'm getting tax from my brother blowing up my phone and I was like I literally just saw you. What could be so I urgent and this is something that happens in our time? I don't know if it happens to you but it certainly happens to me when you get a text with just someone's name you automatically think the worst you think either death or some sort of scandal and sadly in this case it was the first one it was death and my brother was trying to verify that Kobe had actually died as if I was going to be able to tell them but just at that moment you're looking for any sort of reason to to say. Hopefully this is not true and someone who worked in sports. Naturally the text came to me and then soon as you go online. And you see the Tim's these reporting it I got it just assume at this point that it's real and it's probably true when they broke Michael Jackson first before anyone else all right. They're kind of undefeated at this. And it's just the news of Wall. Who else was there? Was Vanessa. There were his kids. There was five. People wasn't nine. People was Rick Fox. There was something that was happening on the Internet and so that whole part of it is uncomfortable because you're hearing different people confirm things. There are conflicting. So someone's wrong. You don't want to jump to any conclusions but the same point. I'm thinking weird. If I'm rooting that G G his thirteen year old daughter is not on the chopper. Because then I'm just hoping that someone else that I don't know is in so the whole thing being from the coverage to how the information was disseminated slowly throughout the afternoon made me feel uncomfortable and made me feel sad that you don't one of the greatest players of all time you know. His last memory will be trending for the wrong reason. Tell me about the reaction around the MBA is. The news broke yesterday. There were games being played. Just tipping off like an hour later. Yeah in this was US another part of the debate that was going online and reporting that was being done was whether or not they were going to play the Games and the conversations that were being had at the League office level in the tricky part again is because since the information was so raw and was tough to verify. Tough has the league to make a decision. A and I was watching the timeline and so the news started breaking on twitter. I don't know when. TMZ found out but it started breaking on twitter around twenty to thirty the raptors and spurs were set to off at four PM Eastern so there was about ninety minutes in there and CNN was talking about a crash but not naming the name and then they named name In in so you're not really sure. At what point would you give it. I actually think they should've played the games. I might be not alone in that thought for an entirely. Different reason in a way the precedent that it sets. If you don't play the game for Kobe where where do you draw that line of okay. Well you're not as important. You're not as influential. You didn't make as big of an impression on the basketball world so we can still play in light of your death. He he didn't die in a tragic enough manner right past. You passed away after a long illness. So we're not stopping the game. Yeah I mean David Searle sadly passed away a couple of weeks ago and he. It was older and was not the act of commissioner and was in a tough health situation for a little while so people had prepped for it but still died. He's still had a massive massive impact on the game. And so I felt that it was handled well in that the teams in credit to the raptors who had the first possession and Kyle lowry dribbling out the clock. Honor Kobean his twenty four taking a twenty four second violation and then Rick Popovich instructed his team to do the same I thought they the handled it beautifully in the Atlanta. Hawks did it with their own spin. I thought the League handled it beautifully. N I suppose it would be different. If the Lakers had to play Kobe toby was figure that was bigger than basketball. Bigger than sport. Why was he bigger than sports? And here I want you to talk a little bit about how he played the game. And I don't mean his his basketball XS and OS. But it was the spirit of what he did that. Everybody from people like Alicia keys to Tennis players and other athletes elites discussed yesterday. Yes so he was divisive at the best of times and I think even history look back at the way he played now that we look at the game differently in think defensively on how good he actually was but no matter if you liked him or disliked him for those who are people respected him as a sportsman as an athlete competitor. And we all have this internal conversation in our heads. How far my going to push myself? How desperate I do I want a chief greatness whatever that looks like in in your life or whatever throughs no doubt that? Kobe was willing to push himself much harder. And much further that everyone else I mean the Mamba mentality is a colloquial phrase that people use outside of him or even basketball and I think that's why he's universally respected because how tough he was mentally he talked about the fact that the reason why he had the confidence and swagger to take shots the Games without conflict is because he knew that he worked harder than anyone else to have that honor his mental toughness the fact that he tore his Achilles and took the foul shots and made them both in a close game and then walked off the court. Now knowing of those we're going to be the last shots ever Mentally he was at a different level. And I think that's why no matter or if you are in the sports arena or outside of it you can see that and projected into your life and your own endeavors and in really respected one of the conversations yesterday certainly on social media but also I think just as people talked was how should people remembering him discuss discuss the period of time when he was accused of sexual assault and was going back and forth from Lakers. Game to Eagle Colorado and was eventually settled but that was in a different era and now we take victims a lot more seriously than perhaps had in the past. And you know. I'm asking this because because I wanted to do this podcast to talk about him. As a human being as opposed to the one name person that we put on a pedestal and remember for all all their legacy and growing the game and everything and I think Kobe's life itself changed multiple times and this was a part of it. So why shouldn't we talk about it when he talked about it. It wasn't his sir favorite topic but in the documentary About himself that he produced a very Kobe thing but directed by the Gotham Chopra. There's a section action and there's a chapter where he discusses this chapter literally of his life and it name The situation and he hasn't named the place but you know what he's talking about but he does talk in great detail on the impact it had on him and his family. And here's the part of it that I struggle with because you're right that we are in a different era in so we're looking back at something thing that happened in the early two thousands with two thousand twenty Lens and there is a big part of our our current culture that says we need to believe victims. It's very important to believe victims in order for them to be able to grow in healing process but also for other women and men who are sexual abuse survivors to know that if they speak out they will be believed in so we need to. Normalize is a conversation and that's important and certainly that's a part of the Kobe conversation but there's also another part of our conversation though he's always always had that we've understood as a culture innocent until proven guilty in that we give someone when accused the benefit of the doubt given our judicial system which is not perfect. But that's the best one that we have and so. How do you reconcile those two things at the same time? I'm not sure because on every piece of content then that's put out about Kobe. They're going to be people who say he is a rapist. He is a sexual abuser. And there are going to be people boo who say if you bring that up. That is unfair. Given what just happened and they there might be some truth to both. I know this I know that in it's odd to phrase it at best but at best he someone who stepped out in his marriage which not great sadly something that happens all the time and at worst. He's guilty of a heinous crime and we're also learning about the metoo conversation is that there's also a murky middle there's also a middleware consent is not fully given or or consent changes in the middle of an act and so in Kobe's owned apology to the victim and to his family early. He himself admitted at the time that after watching the victim's testimony and looking at the discovery during the case he he understood that what he believed to be consent was not with the victim believed to be consent. Those are Kobe's words not mine and so certainly. It's something thing that needs to be part of his conversation because it did happen. He himself said he had a daughter at the time and his wife. I was pregnant with a child on the way sadly his wife miscarried during this period of time. I didn't know that he blames himself for it. He he said that the stress of the coverage in the trial quit his wife through the nope. Also sadly women miscarry more often than we've talked about and so no matter if that's actually the real reason he felt it was in that during his relationship relationship when she could have left in took half of the money and literally when he got back it was a waiting to exhale scene where she threw all all of his clothes into the street. He had to live elsewhere for period of time his narrative both as a family person as a basketball player could have totally changed changed. And would I like to believe that. That situation no matter where on the spectrum things that happened if it was just infidelity or if it was a crime would I like to believe that he grew a great deal from it. I hope so I was in in room thirty five in Eagle Colorado. I don't know what happened but I do know that. In the last chapter of his career he was an incredible champion for females for women in sport for women in our industry and so so again. He's a complex character with good and bad traits and I think it's probably disrespectful to him and everyone around him to act as if a big part of his life just didn't happen. I'm glad that you set it that way. And and put it on a timeline because one of the things we wanted to do is talk about him as a full person in the full spectrum of his life and I mean it's pretty clear that in the latter half of his career. He was a different person if not a different player and he was moving towards being an elder statesman even for the league and as you mentioned earlier having so many of those younger players under his wing and showing them the ropes how does that Jive with with the early career impressions of Kobe. Bryant versus how he was seen by a pierce as he was finishing his career. You hit the nail on the head. He was a different player and a different person and I wonder if the fact that he was different player informed him being a different person. You look at him coming into the League. So athletically gifted his jovial miss and the way he played the game was part of his mystique part of the reason why he was on sprite. Commercials cels and you know. Why he this side rapping career? The thought of late Kobe Bryant all day filming a rap music music video just seems so so far removed from who he was because everything was consumed with. The work was consumed with the basketball because he lost cost. ATHLETICISM DO INJURY Duty Age. He lost some of that bounce so then he had to be Craftsmen a masterclass in fort work in angles in just repetition and getting shot up after shot up after shot up and had to use his superiority ready mentally as the thing that separated him because he no longer had the superiority physically in. That's how you remember him at the end of his career and so tragically that helicopter the chopper. That was made famous. He ended up using it not because he it could or because he was celebrity he used it because it was a competitive advantage nature who's been to L. A.. Knows how wide the landscape is in their practice practice facilities in El Segundo but they're arenas downtown staples and Hewlett in in different parts in Orange County and his Mama Athletic Facility. The academy is in thousand oaks. Use a lot of time to horrible. La Traffic Jess In in La is so big in the or so many different communities amongst themselves and he used the chopper as a way to save time to save his body sitting in a limo for hours on end and in the back end of his career to gain more time with his family and so his level of ingenuity and figure out a different way to do things that others others weren't willing to do and his level of willing to be efficient in competed. Everything is one of the many ways I remember him in sadly sadly that chopper that competitive advantage that he had. It's last place that he was. Tell me about the final chapter that that I guess we never really saw. The ending to a lot of people looked at Kobe like they did it. Michael Jordan or so many other famous athletes as somebody who would be unable to walk away from the game who would not be able to quit not be able to take himself apart and I mean it was kind of a surprising ending to watch him just the opposite of that. Yeah I I thought he would be one of the many athletes that struggled in retirement and just went crazy and he actually said to mediais. You won't find me a staple center like why would I go from Orange County to downtown to watch other people play basketball. That's not how I was built in. In fact you ended up seeing them at Staples Center quite a bit. It was to expose his young daughter who tragically passed with him to the game because she was a lover of basketball and he would tell media that from an early age that she she had the same kind of will and mentality that he did and so he's a big part of his next chapter was being her coach being a mentor for other female basketball players. Sabrina and who was the most recent of many female. NCW players players that he would shout out on social media that he would work with one on one and send them tips that happened to NBA players in the league. That were much younger than him. Car Gorving Isaiah Thomas. They all went to the Church of Kobe to to learn about different things in his game. And then there's obviously the the guys who grew up in California by tomorrow's tomorrow's in in Norm Powell who he was icons to them and he had the the Mamba Academy that facility to teach teach people about not just basketball but training and getting the most out of yourself and he he wins it Oscar with deer basketball which is just a poem that he wrote to say goodbye to the game and ends up becoming a short film in winning an Oscar so now not only does he. Have you know Larry as a gold trophy. He has Oscar as well and he's written a bunch of children's books he's started a children's podcast to use basketball's a tool to teach them. There's this entire side of him that I never knew existed. I never thought I would see but that really really when you think about it when you take a step back make sense because his upbringing was so different than the traditional. NBA Player athlete. We've heard so many of the same story young guy impoverished neighborhood often from a single parent. Family uses is that pressure to force themselves to be coming out. That wasn't the case. For Kobe's father was a professional player. He lived in Italy. He speaks multiple languages. He's well read. Had He lived in Philadelphia but in a well off neighborhood but had to go to the bad neighborhoods to get some great basketball competition and so in a way he was always a bit of an outsider. He he never really fit in in Italy he was tall. You know black kid in the United States he was this well-versed kid that dressed a little bit different had different musical tastes and even in the NBA. He was a relic to the older past before him but he never fit in with the AU mentality of everyone was buddy buddy and friends and they would treat super teams. He was always. I guess on an island in a way and I think Malcolm Gladys talked about this when you're an outsider gives you you amazing perspective on anyone else now. I didn't know you had that perspective but when you look at his life's work shortly after he retired. You get the sense that. He's a really introspective guy and was able to use his ability to story. Tell to touch so many people no matter what walk of life last question just as as a a fan of the game is most of us are how will you remember him. I will personally remember him by just being absolutely terrified anytime he had the ball and needed to score car because he was GonNa do it. That's it so there are two. There are three anecdotes that our remember him by one is in his documentary it towards his Achilles. And there's a scene where there's a bunch of little metal balls put in front of him and he's gotTa pick them up with his toes and roll them and put them into a a little tupperware container. It's basically to work the muscles around the Achilles that haven't been working well. It's been in a cast that might atrophy into break up the scar tissue. And he's he's attacking this little task as if it's game seven of the NBA finals and the level of competition on his face was next level. The other is is Matt Barnes. Who later would be a teammate in trying to inbound the ball and Kobe standing right out of him and he literally with a basketball strong wrong human being matt barnes throws it right inches towards Kobes face as if he's GonNa hit him in the face with the mall or throw it in his face and Kobe doesn't doesn't flinch at all is this stays there looking at him chewing his gum and so I remember that moment on the this guy his he's wired different? He's built different and the last is an interview that he gave on Kimmel where he was telling a story about people talking to him about man you got so many kids got got so many girls you need a boy to carry on that legacy and his daughter says oh no no no. I'm going to carry on that legacy and Kobe's loving story. Because she was like no I'm here to in her own way Jonah. Had the Mama mentality and I'll remember that for how proud he was of telling that story and also sadly think me and I just can't imagine there are so many great photos my g's full of them of the two of them. courtside him so happy with his arm around her coach and her she coaching him points. Yeah and even when he scored his eighty one and he he walks off. You know him hugging his daughters and in his wife and so to think of him courtside at various games hugging her arm around her laughing thing and to think that stencil early he was going down and chopper arm around her not laughing. It's Sadly that's one of the things I think about when I think of him when I hear that one name coby that'd be one of the memories that fled to my mind. Thanks Donovan Donovan. Bennett of sports net. You'd like to hear more from Donovan on Kobe and everything else in the NBA. You can find his podcast Free Association wherever you get yours. Was the big story for more from us. You know where to go. 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