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Survivor 38 Episode 7 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 7 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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The return of game of thrones around the corner you much like Bradley Clyde G on my Zadie calendar on Mr. April. I'm just gonna you can't see it. I'm just like hiding under the covers in graphic picture did bring me such joy to go to that page on the Zadie calendar today, which is the my favorite picture in all of those Addy calendar you posted the picture of it in the patriot Facebook group, and I just got to say that future. Twists contestant Jenny autumn with her comment kill me as too much. That's she'll be under speaking survivor. Yeah. That's great. But yeah, that see seeing the Bradley Clyde Zadie counter picture every every month should really be Bradley qui- calendar month. Okay. All right. So Josh this was a real busy week here on survivor with we had the return of Rick Devon's to the game. Joe anglin leaving the game. And so a lot of stuff to talk about. And of course, your outstanding coverage of the season on T HR at teach dot com survivor continues. And you spoke with a couple of the Newseum contestants this week. Oh, I thought you were going to say you spoke with a couple of the narves from this these couple of the nartz from this season. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, technically, that's what are the narves all these narves over here. I just I don't understand came from. Yeah. Do you want to weigh in on NAR definitions nine think that it probably like a way of Zeh follow those Googlers over there? Just I'd never heard like follow these nerds over there. As good though. I liked that. I liked Joey on his way out the door. Thought was fun. Yeah. Well, we'll see if we have any more NAR talk next weekend. When doc on. Tech show. Well, I have a feeling that nartz will come up. Narzan wonderboy. No. But yes, yes, we did speak with with three of the edge of extinction. Castaways this week or the Hollywood reporter the interview blockage had been lifted temporarily at least for a couple of conversations I with Keith. And Wendy the only two contestants thus far to raise the mass. The raise the flag and leave the edge of extinction and just miss out on jury duty good for them. I think I don't know. I think you wanna hit jury duty if you're at that point. So maybe bad for them. And I also spoke with the Kool aid man himself. Rick Devon's for for one of those sprawling active player interviews, if you like to to read such things all of that is up now T H R dot com slash reviver. A great time had by all. Okay. So let's start with your chats with a Wendy Anne Kifah. Anything surprise you from your conversation? No. Nothing really surprised me. I think that they were both trying to kind of explain and defend their reasoning for why they ultimately raised the flag even after winning another shot back into the game. I don't know you'd say winning another shot accepting another shot back into the game. After losing that challenge. They've basically said their journeys were complete. They felt like if they had stayed any longer. It would taint the experience they already had. And I also asked did you know that if you left you would be just missing out on the jury, and if you knew that the jury was awaiting you with that of impact your decision, they were basically about like. Yup. Yes. That would have that would have influenced my decision probably would have stayed yet. So I don't think that they knew about the jury twist, otherwise, maybe we would have seen Wendy and Keith showing up with Reema Aubrey in Chris on the jury bench at the end of this best episode should survivor told the edge of extinction players that. All right. If. You go back. You'll have a shot. You'll also be on the jury. I don't know. I wonder I wonder if survivor wanted to have every single person on the season beyond the jury. Yeah. You know, I know that like on one hand they must have wanted it to some degree otherwise this twist wouldn't have existed though. I don't think it's impossible that they just like didn't understand the scope of how badly people would want to win survivor that they would hang in through absolute nothingness to continue on into yet another enigmatic future. But I also feel like if it is what they wanted. I don't know if there's too much harm in telling Wendy. And like know if he's stay like, another twelve hours, you're going to be on the jury. They're like, oh, okay. Yeah. I do think that survivor want some people to drop out like I I don't think they necessarily want a thirteen person jury. I think that that you know, they don't put. The mass out there to not have it go up. I mean, it's if they stayed and assuming no one else quits the game and everyone gets to stay on the jury. If teen person jury that's insane been crazy. So now right now, we're looking at the possibility of a thirteen person jury, and I don't know what happens if anyone on extinction. If Joe or rim krizner Aubrey at this point if they were to raise the flag are they banished or did they go to Ponderosa and they get. I don't know. I think that you're out. I think that you even if you made the jury technically. But then if you raise the mast, I think your adventures over interesting. Yeah. I mean who knows I think if you don't go to extinction, and you just swipe right? I think you also go to Ponderosa and not to the jury. Then do we finally get some Ponderosa videos up in this piece? I just think that there you're not gonna get them this. I think it's I think it's insane that they basically put last chance kitchen onto survivor proper with this edge of extinction concept, and we're not getting like a bonus edge of extinction. Ponderosa type of video how how did we wake up on Thursday morning this past week, and there wasn't some sort of extinction web? Sewed? That's mind boggling to me that's just like low hanging fruit in the digital content. Realm would joke angle Ponderosa have been like, hey, I'm Joe anglin. This is by. Yeah. I don't know what his extinct arose. This thing. What's his thing? Like Ashley knowing his thing is probably leading Joe a job class. Everybody gets to do some job on that. Sweet like cliffside you get to like see everybody like running up and down the stairs. And doing exercise goes to the peak, and they all like relax under the rice giving tree. Maybe he goes and fishes for some stuff probably fish, if that's what he's fishing. I don't know. But I feel like that's isn't it the whole reason that this exists. So you can buy this bonus time with these people who are no longer in the game proper. It just really surprised me that there is nothing here for Joe's Ponderosa video might be one of the reasons that the TV series monitors and get off the ground. But if you're getting if you're bringing jobs back onto survivor, a large part of that you would assume is because you figure that the at least like the Roseanne Chester Nino's of the world enjoy watching Joe fish and enjoy watching Joe dude Joe stuff, and if you've got Joe going to extinction right away. How are we not getting that extra? Joe time is is really surprising to me. We're pretty far away from from. I forget what what you would ask that that brought us down this path. Punto Rosa and the lack of bundles. But he's I'm glad you referenced the my mom that we called her on these feedback show this week one of the callers wanted to know how she was feeling after Joe God voted out. And she says she feels ninety nine percent certain Joe is coming back into the game. So that she is holding on hope. Yeah. I mean, I think that we are now living through the scenario that many people speculated would exist when the the theme of the season was announced in Joe is coming back and all of that here. We are you know, now, we're I'm pins and needles. Waiting to see if the prophecy comes true in trying to figure out who my winner pick of the season was going to be I automatically let it just come down to whichever one of the four returnees walked into interview with me first because I thought that there was an argument for any one of them. But one of the arguments the foremost argument for Joe was I shared that sort of like cynical outlook like oh, this is like a season that's designed for Jody Wynn. So now. We're in that part. We're in that. Bart where where Joe is no longer having to paint a flag in order to avoid talking to people. Now he can just avoid talking to ninety percent of the people in the game. And it's going to require, you know, probably like one challenge to get back ins what you assume. And the odds are very good that he will be the successful person in that challenge. So I think the odds are are rather high as your as your mother sketched them out, but I still think that they're probably pretty high up the of the four people out there. I definitely think that Joe is number one in the power rankings of people to return. Now, we do like to follow the story of the season overall here in the wiggle room. Do you feel like the story of Joe Angouleme has kind of ended or is really just beginning. Now that he's on the edge of extinction. Yeah. I think it could be just beginning. I think that we have seen so much of the edge of extinction that now we are kind of. Trained to expect at least like two scenes. They're an episode now that now that Joe is there you can imagine like three scenes there perhaps. Oh, like, you could imagine there being especially now that we're at the merge. So you really only splitting between two different settings. You could imagine there being quite a bit of time at the edge. And if Joe is going to be the guy who comes back in and wins this thing. Yeah. You better believe we're going to be seeing a lot of Joe on extinction. See I think that his story has not ended quite yet. I think that we're going to see like some Joey Joey amazing like fantasizing about vengeance against common like coming coming to grips with his current fate Nov then being so angry at those narves has some sort of a aria stark turn that would be hysterical and Clark. Doria Victoria, the other one. It's otherwise it's a shame that war dogs. Also, right. Where dog is a perfect name to have on that list. The war dog. So I think that this week will be very telling Josh I think that where we watched the episode on Wednesday night, if we really focus on the edge in terms of. Wow, Joe has taken to the edge of extinction. Like, a duck to water that he's really gonna you know, turn things on now. I feel like that that could be a clue if that's the direction that it's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think that the Joe content. This week will be instructive of where the narrative of the season is going for sure I think if like we see Joe like making everyone on extinction so happy because he suddenly providing like a gigantic shark that he brings back in between his teeth, Richard hatch style, I think people will be thrilled. And I think that that will be a sign of Joe's potential success still to come. We'll just have to wait and see one other question for you about Joe on extinction. The relationship that I think is that. I don't know how it's going to go. I feel like Joe and rim are going to get along. I think the Joe and Aubrey our friends, but Joe, and Chris is the interesting one for me because we'll they feel competitive in any way where it sort of occupy pull the Rick Evans, they occupied the same sort of role there. Or will they end up becoming best friends forever? I imagine them getting onto the extinction together in going off looking for like some kind of advantage and. Running at each other and getting really Alphand intensive each other, and like kind of like butting into each other's personal space, like Bobby, John and Jamie from Guatemala, and you get a lot of. That's what I like crazy. That's that's sort of what I'm envisioning for those two. Okay. We'll see let's say the man who came back from the edge this week. That was Rick Devon's. And you had the opportunity to talk with him in another interview up at T H, R dot com slash survivor. How was Rick Devon's? When you spoke with him. I I love RIC Devon's I think I'm I'm happy in thrilled with the existence of the edge of extinction. Nope. But am I happy and thrilled for Rick Devon's to be the person who benefits from the edge of extinction? Even if it doesn't benefit my draft from last week. Sure. Of course, I think he's a he's a super nice guy. Very smart guy. Funny guy, and I'm happy to have more of him on my television screen and beyond that, obviously he's elated to be. Back in the mixture on survivor, and I think a really compelling person to talk to at this point in the season because he is somebody who has a foot on both sides of the line of the twist he has spent you know, he's logged several days on the edge of extinction. And he's logged several days in the game. Both in the early part of the game. And now here he is in the merge, and in a very compelling positions strategically within the merge where everything that somehow melted down with the less the less who five bringing him over to the comic side of the aisle. So he was great to talk to. I think that if you're if you're trying to piece together some of the at times confusing narrative of this season. I think that reading what Rick had to say, hopefully, we'll help you out at definitely helped clarify some things for me. Okay. So in your interview with Rick I did get a chance to read it today in the for me, it actually the opposite effect that I was feeling like over the weekend that maybe I was starting to get. At some clarity on how this vote went down. And then reading what Rick had to say, then went back to muddying the waters for me. And I'm just as confused as ever, but so just to give the back story on this. So there was a lot of chatter over the weekend on read and on social media about sort of the sound bite of Kelly Wentworth from the episode the one where she's talking about how she did not want to see Devon's out of anybody come back from the edge of extinction. And then in a secret seen that she says, oh, hell, no. But she's talking about overall just the idea of the returnees coming back and she posted on Twitter hashtag receipts. So she seemed to be disputing the way that the episode was presented which sort of got me thinking. Okay. Well, why is Kelly annoyed about this? And I had sort of the theory of that maybe deductions strike. I was it. The hunt solo Griego of it all where was Kelly annoyed that maybe Devon's came back from the edge that I don't want any part of working with my original tribe. Julie came comes and talks to him. And maybe he's on board. Hey, I want to vote out Wentworth. And so then went worth as a self preservation move. Maybe it's like, okay. Well, Devon's and David let's just have an easy vote and vote them out because you know, Kelly does seem to be. Annoyed with how the episode was presented. But you asked Rick Devon's about how after return when we're set her sights on you as apprising development, given the closeness of the less who five as seen in your fateful tropical. Can you help us understand what the hell what happened here? And what did Rick Devon's tell you? This is what Rick Devon's told me he said, I loved less sue I went to Joe and pitched a less. Plus Joe in Aurora Alliant David did to then Julie came to me and said Wentworth and learn wanted to send me right back to the edge. I was shocked. I couldn't believe they do that to me on a personal level. And it made no sense to me on a game level. I thought they'd be overjoyed to have me back. I told David he was just as confused and as weird as it was to here. It's important to note that I also never doubted Julie Raanan, Eric, we're telling me the truth less. You had been less than welcoming. I was told by comma folks that war dog didn't wanna do it wore dog, and I were good friends, and he was pushing for David to go, but he was overruled. So that's Devon's thoughts on on the matter. So yeah, I really I don't know. What's going on here? Yeah. I should clarify that in many other respects, I thought that this interview was very eliminating. But I still remain a little bit mystified by this sudden, Wentworth end Devon's rivalry. I think that much of the information that has been conveyed to us in the context of the show really does no favours in setting this up. You know, we had that tribal council where everybody seemed to be heartbroken over the prospect of losing either Devon's or Lorne ultimately breaks against Devon's there. But it seems like it's a no hard feelings kind of thing. I mean dating it back earlier into the season. Devon's and David are talking about getting rid of Wentworth wanting to get rid of Wentworth that plan coming to to war dog at one point though, I believe he blames Chris for that. And I wonder how much does he know that Devon's is involved in that line of thinking? Taking can you imagine the scenario where ward ig- has has learned that that was indeed what Devon's David one to do that. They wanted to go after Wentworth, and maybe at some point around that less who five tribal council Wardag tells went where it's something like that. And so this is something that's sticking and Wentworth craw for the for the subsequent episodes. And maybe when Devon's comes back, she just sees him as sort of an agreeable person to get rid of. And she already knows that he had tried to get rid of her at one point. So maybe we just cut him loose here. She wants a time said in a Cabana and Cambodia long ago. She told me during second chances preseason that she wanted to play a little bit of that Boston, rob game fear, keeping people loyal and all that. And classic Boston. Rob moved to snipe. Nash at the start of the redemption island merges straight back. So is it like a page out of that playbook? I don't know, man. I don't know. The whole thing is is very confusing. I'm not mad at all about. Franken by this is reality TV that if that's what you gotta do in order to like tell the narrative as long as it's happens it happens, and as long as it's close to the truth if it's like pushing forward a story line that makes sense for the greater season. Then by all means this just happens to be one where we can kind of puzzle. It out a little bit more thoroughly than than other Franken bites where we're being given other ingredients to source the quotes from, but my bigger issue is that the story comes from nowhere that the story just is really it's really surprising and out of left field because I think Devon's is right on a game level to me. It's baffling that lesser would turn inward at this point so quickly, but Kelly Wentworth is a fricken legend, and you got to imagine that Kelly Wentworth has her reasons for going about business the way that she wants to go about it and has her reasons for one to get rid of Devon's. And I think that we're just kind of left in the dark with no real clear. Sign of why this came together. And I think that someone asked me on on Twitter because I when this happened in the episode, I aired my confusion, then because deeply confused. This Wentworth vendetta against Evans seems to come out of nowhere. And someone asked me like is that is that a problem with the editing or are we missing something out? And I think that it's it's too simplistic to say that this is an issue with the editing. I think it's more of a premise issue. I think that this is something where we're seeing a little bit of a side effect of this season being so well and thoroughly stuffed there's so much stuffed in the season where you've got the edge of extinction, and you have to devote a lot of narrative time to that. You've got to tribes become three at one point. You've got this guy coming back into the game. Eventually you've got four returning players stories to deal with as well, lots of people are getting blended together in the shuffle, comma is less a group of individuals and more this morpheus force of six that you have to go up against and I think that there's just even with eliminating a previously. On segment in this week's episode. There's so much material that they just literally could not fit it all in. So I think that this is like a real side effect of having a season that is so busy from premise standpoint. That I think that the storytelling suffers that's the big sin to me. It's not a Franken bite issue for me. It's really just like the lack of clarity on the storytelling. And the big question for me. I guess still are two of then what was Kelly's reasoning for wanting to go in this direction. And then to why does she seem annoyed about how this was presented this week. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious about that as well. I'm curious about that as well. But I think it's really just like a wet whatever it was. I it's gotta be more nuanced than what we saw and just because with forty two minutes a week and even without a previously on an even with like shifting closing credits. Sequences that are having a little bit more story eked out in there. They're still just like not enough time to tell the size and scope of the story. That's clearly unfolding on a season like this. So I don't know. Okay. It's a lot going on. Josh. I thought we had two characters also break out in this episode of this was far and away. Julie's a biggest episode of what did you think about Julie's emergence here? I really have to like a huge mea culpa here on on. Julie. Who when I interviewed her? I thought she was a very very nice person. And I expected very little from her both as a player and as a character. And that's completely my bad. She has been really fun on television. And she's clearly rocking it in the game. She crushes this immunity challenge. She's the person who makes Devon's feel safe and draws him in. She's a she's become a great narrator as well. You know, she's had some really memorable confessional certainly with an assist from dive bombing Siegel some weeks ago. But I. She's been at the light. And I'm thrilled to have been wrong. And I'm sorry to have had that judgment so quickly that I kinda slash. She was going to be boring, and I didn't see why she was on there. And that's just a failing on my part. Obviously, they're doing a really great job of telling Julie's story of the of the comma people, she is, you know, I think she's she's got to be like if not the most fleshed out comma person certainly up there. I think that the most fleshed out comma person is probably the other person, I think that had a nother a bit of a breakout because I think that he has broken out a little bit before this. But Ron Clark also has you know, we don't really see much for forty five minutes. But then his presence is really felt in the last quarter of the episode. Listen at the risk of alienating. The Randy Bailey contingent. I'm not exactly pumped at the prospect of a pa- Goggin here at the merge, not necessarily something that I'd be itching to see right now all due respect to Randy. I will try not to giggle too. Much and causing you to shake your fist at your your radio or listener of choice. But I I'm hoping not to see that. But that being said, I feel like the way that that Ron is playing and the rest of the commerce six is. Well, but Ron is really the avatar of a lot of this stuff. I thought this week. They did a really really great job of of smoke screening Joe. And the way that that he he came to Joan is like what are we doing? Where who do you want me to vote for like all of that was really masterfully done? I think is a character. He's still leaves a little something to be desired, especially because you know, that he has such a great story. Like, he's frigging Ron Clark, you they made a movie about him gentler was in it. You know, we we haven't gotten anything from from that side of that side of the line. So I think as far as a character is concerned. I wish that they would do a little bit more with him. But as far as being kind of like, the face of the commerce six as sort of this force of antagonism, he's really popped. And I think that he's I think he's playing really well, I thought that this last round I some people disagreed with it. But I think that the way that they took out Joe here at the at the start of the merge as extinction is about to be reborn was a really great play. I was very impressed by. Yeah. Josh moving forward. Do you feel like the story of the rest of the season will revolve around this comma sex, or do you think that we will see a resurgence from the people that were the circular firing squad in this episode? Yeah, I feel like I'm inclined to think that there's gotta be some way or the circular firing squad to rebound from this into start shooting at the right targets, or maybe they all shoot each other. And they all head to the edge of extinction in one of them wins their way back into the game. And his able to win the whole thing that could be the way on on season on the season. Like, this is not impossible. But I think that the the lack of dimensionality to the characters on the calmest six with the exception of maybe Julie, maybe, Victoria. It's hard to see who from that group would be the breakout person that you're you're really rooting for to take this all. Down. I mean, not like indictments of them as people in any way shape performance. Just in in terms of how they've come across the paper thin. So I do think that somehow the people who got bamboozled this week, I expect there to be some kind of turnaround for at least a few of them and the path forward for that could be extinction or the fact that between the less who five there's there's two full idols. And now a new one thanks to Devon's surviving this boat. That is the real crazy thing where all of the idols are on one side of things, you know, shades of David versus Goliath, where this underdog side has collected all of the advantages, and if they could just get on the same page, you have Kelly went where you have David Wright to people that know, what to do with these idols and advantages, you would think and if they could somehow just trust each other enough that they? They could form a resistance against this bigger group. But I don't know if it's going to happen. I was thinking about when you were saying like how do they have a way through and like, my my mind just in terms of the dynamics right now went back two worlds apart. That gigantic super alliance that is standing in the way of Mike Holloway. And you think that there's just no chance Mike can get through in some ways able to by winning immunity after unity after immunity, plus one idol play somewhere in there. And I wonder if like we could see something where the less who five as like a group are able to pull off like some sort of collective Holloway as. Like if they're able to like get past their grievances with each other rally together an expertly play their ideals in like three votes in a row. And and at that point, maybe they have some common people who are begging to be spared, and then the cracks are able to form and less you can start looking at each other. Once again, I think we could see something like that potentially. Do is there any chance that we could see some sort of a conversation like when the David's got together and talked about how well I have a vibe of votes deal. I have this advantage. I the idol nullify that'd be really fun. I would love that especially because there are some hurt feelings in permutation of that, you know, with David's like they were all like kind of like Gidley reuniting and getting back together. But I feel like with the way that this merged vote became such a cluster for for the less who five I think for for them to all come together. And be like look that was bogus. That was. Oh, good. Can we please? Like reevaluate where we're coming from. And maybe they can like air some of their problems like that would be a really fun payoff for the early season. Storyline of David like being like so anti Wentworth, and I have to get rid of went where they had to get rid of Wentworth. And then she takes the shot at him. And they're able to kind of overcome those differences and become like the very close group that they need to be in order to persevere in the game. That'd be an amazingly fun story to watch. So I hope so I hope we see some sort of seen in the next episode or do where everybody just like, you know, puts down the bayonets and sits by a campfire and talks about how they can win this war together. I don't think that's how war worked xactly the war dog perhaps could chime in and tell us differently. Josh as somebody who has studied the history of survivor and the co author of the Lucien of strategy. A look back at the first thirty seasons of survivor. We saw. Aw, what Jeff Probst described as what could be an instantly iconic moment this week. Yeah. Moments take years to become icon ick. Others become iconic the moment, they happen. This might be one of them. Okay. Was the return of the people from the edge of extinction and instantly Iconex saviour moment in your mind. Come on. Stellato? Casey. No, I don't think. So they've done it differently. Like how about this? Let me let me see if I could maybe workshop this to have made this instantly icon ick. Okay. So the people of the players the players that make the merge, they they come in. Okay. So what is it the twelve players at the at the merge, and they come in like all right guys drop your buffs time for your merge fees. This season we're doing things a little bit different instead of a big merge. Feast picnic here is a big giant twelve layer cake. And you guys can have that it all this. This giant cake right behind me is yours. Okay. They're hungry. And then. And so. And then the people from the edge of extinction. Come bursting out of the cake. Rick Devon, just like. Oh. Yeah. And the look on everybody's faces. That would be I constantly I that would be instantly iconic. If you had six eliminates arrive, bursting out of a cake at the merge. Yes. That would do it. Yeah. Could you imagine the reaction from the contestants? Well, no because they were so hungry and they're so safe. You thought you were going to eat that cake was filled with people that you guys voted out of the game. This cake all day, bro. Waiting shot are just as earlier tes. Yeah. Sweets. We riven. Yeah. Yeah. I think that would have done it. Yeah. I think that would that would. Yeah. How are you feeling? You're gonna have a good shot to get back into the game piece of cake. Jeff. Gaikwad? Oh, my God that they have to challenge called cakewalk where they have to balance a cake mini cake on their heads. They have to keep all the cake that was on them as they burst out of the cake on their bodies and scrape it off into onto a scale like one of the mud challenges. And now we fully integrated with the BNB. Very. I think again, I was watching someone on Reddit had posted the outcast reveal Pearl islands. And one of the reasons why that is contact is. 'cause like people are pissed people are like healing things about the return of the outcasts like there's a lot of emotion there. And you're getting to see the reactions, and you leave that episode or you leave that challenge. Once Burton has like slaughtered, the challenge and the outcast. You're going to be coming back into the game. And you go back to the Morgan Drake tribes, and there's drama there. There's there's a they have to vote people out. So that's that's obviously going to be rich for drama. But like, you just have someone like savage who is so hissed the very premise of people coming back. I think that those reactions make things icon, and we really outside of like the very hard to explain Wentworth. Devon's thing there really wasn't one. And so if if the reaction that you are getting already. Oh, muddled and confusing. Heff? People didn't vote somebody off. Yeah. You know through like oh sweet options. You know? Right. Don't be Aubrey please everybody. That's fine. Yeah. Also, Josh because it was a blind side to the audience also in the Pearl islands. Do you think that that made it more of an epic reveal? Yeah. Definitely. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, this is never happened before the audience. I mean, we all were watching lung. We knew that some people were coming back in so other than you know, an oral. No there really wasn't like a lot of dread on the part of the players who were actually in the game. Yeah. And it seemed like people were mostly fine with it. Because I guess he said like common didn't have their hands dirty. You know, it was really the underdogs are coming into the merge. And now this is scary for them. That's fun. Yeah. So no, I don't think. So I mean, I still think that there's you know, I for this season. Like I said several podcasts ago now, I really am waiting to see how this plays on a binge. I think I think that this will be a season at least for my taste. I think I'm gonna enjoy this one more when you do have a clearer picture of what everything means, and where everything everything's going survivors often so sublime in the week to week, and I don't know that it is for me this year. But I think that it could play really well and like a big collected mass. And that could be this moment might play better in in that context, but just in the week to week when we've been following the people on extinction so closely already like I'm happy for them as they're getting this shot to come back. But I'm not feeling. I don't know. I wasn't feeling like an intense level of of drama, certainly not the same way that you felt when you saw. Lillian Morris returned. Yeah. Josh aiding else. You wanna touch on from the survivor merge episode this week? I'm sure if there is the one world kindness away. All right wand off still to come. We're talking about all the advantages in the game. And let me tell you about an advantage that you at home can cash in on, and that is courtesy of our friends over at a I s the auto insurance specialist because they can save you a lot of money on car insurance using their smart, quote technology now, not the kind of smart, quote technology that takes things Kelly Wentworth said and put them in different sentences. Right. 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Don't make your next insurance payment until you check your rates with a I s. Okay. And Josh I really can't stop thinking about that giant. Cake. Imagine just everybody coming through with like icing all over the place. Yeah. I is it Addams family where like somebody's in the cake, and like, no one burst out of the cake. And then they look in the cake, and like the person had been baked inside of the cake. I mean, could you see the the gift of Aubrey like eating the cake off her arm and dancing as they burst out? Yeah. No, I could picture that. And Wendy, I imagine have no moral objections to eating the cake. So that would be good. Yeah. She would be like the chickens being set free from their cages as she emerged from the gate. There you going. And if you need to leave your lipid making happy rest of my life. If you shut the circle Ben just. Your. You could. Happy the rest of you. Like Wanda just burst out of the cake to kick off one. I. Oh, yeah. Yes. To Wanda didn't get to go to the edge of extinction. She would have been a great mayor of the edge of extinction. Yeah. I do wonder who would have my heart between Wanda and Reema as somebody who's lasted so long extinction. How many people would have raised the mast in Palau once? Greeting them them. I wasn't even not even an indictment of laund- of more. Yes. Yes. Idiots would have gotten out of there. So fast, Jeff, or whatever his name was this ankle. All right. We have a great wand off for you this week. You guys are in for the kind of treat the survivors thought they were gonna get when they were gonna get giant merged. No joke. Got a great one off this week. Of course, we need to discuss the old business. We need to discuss who was the winner of last week's one off, and I can say that Randy Baillio would be happy. This was a runaway if not put ganging of Alex come to an end last week but bit of a runaway here on last week's one four episode five and six coming in third place. So placing in her very first wand off with ten point seven five percent of the vote was frail Mary. Wow. Welcome to the welcome to the top three frail Mary top three day real Mary play. All right. So another second place finish for the duo of Jordan Kayla and aired Aubert's in twenty four point four five percent of the vote. That was a very strong showing. That was a very very funny song. Show. We guys I was great. That was terrific only like one more per week of stuff like Aaron so just trying to do one. But when two titans of the wand off get together, it's hard for anybody else to stand the chance because over fifty one percent of the voters last week as tabulated by the great Kurt Clark who many of our listeners heard recap the premiere of the million dollar mile this week in our rob is podcast aid. He has computed that the winner of this past week's one off was a DJ Lebel Klein and Corey. This way. Defended read. You just still green? All right. That was a great one though. I was thinking about it. And I really did like your Randy maneuver in. Joe I thought it would have been really deep cut in great. If you had said Randy new pool. Yes. Yes. That we made that one internally eternally that was good. It was good. All right now to take us through our I still want off of the merged. Let's bring in the beleaguered host of the wand off the late great, Casey Kasem, some rob. And Josh, it's a pleasure to be back here with you that I have a burst in through a giant cake here to host first one off of the merge anticlimactic, though, when you're just kind of like phasing through the cake with your. Your ghost form? The cake doesn't really adhere to your translucent state. Josh, can you guess what kind of cake? It was got him to ask. It was an angel food cake. So stupid. Josh. For this week's. Honorable mentions for this week's I one of them are. I'll take that. As a yes, how many cake wand off stood? We get this week. We got zero next week where it's looking like. Does it? Like, the wombat cake is the new prize to to start putting into action we've got to be able to send a cake. Just a matter of finding a local bakery. Doing. Fairy easier than the Jack. It might be. Josh I up we're gonna take one from Jenny coming to us all the way from Cincinnati. And here she is to talk about Ron Clark's signature move. David rice time to Palley builders. Clark lift is I. Doc seeing those that he wants to go down. What are the other remix claiming the only? I hope you're kid didn't understand the downtown were dog joke. And if he did I apologize for making things. That was a head from its Tiffany, look Grosso. Wow. Wow. Real good real week real week name to start up this one off. But a great job there by Jenny from Cincinnati looking forward to Ron Clark trail blazing the path into the future of hidden immunity. Eyebrows. I feel are going to be all the rage. If you seasons for now. Next up is another newcomer to the one off who's really making an impression here's Audrey s from Dallas to talk about this week's exciting vote painting runs containing that. Joe won't play with him. Come fix gets. There gets less of strive to talk. It. Pay. We should come together. These needs. Need some help? No, go Jo's mustache show Jones with everybody made a mistake to the waking with some serious. Hey. Watch her new Davis show spout. This soon. Needs to come back to those by some VIP game one. That was a great one from the artist fan favourite Ciara Daunton. Good redemption. Speaking of redemption, it's another visit to Arbel mentions for our Robertson this time with Nick Fishman talking about the commas six sometimes something smart happens in the game. Got gotta know to give props to them. So you just gotta sing that come. Good. So. Two. Senate him to the edge. That was from the group Brenda lonely island. I'm going to see the lonely island this summer in concert. I had no idea. Now, you know where they play they're playing all over the country seeing them in Boston. If you're in Boston, you're going to a lonely island concert hit me up hit Josh wig ler. Hang out in the city up Boston. Next up is the spouse of the person who return from the edge of extinction. This has been a weird season on the wand off. And it just keeps getting weirder. The guy who is good with me. Wow. The bus should go right back their old chives allow when this Greenman is name. Oh. Of an easy that every can get on board with. Their time getting him. Can't you see Cantu? Steve. Number nut through. Every time you're down. He could make it right? With you guys. Trying to keep a straight face everyone with dad when they voted him. Now come. Chrome Mon there's no way in hell would ever since you back? But now they seem so mad winning comes back around coma. Really good at. Could be number. Not your casualty every time you're down. He can make you Bryce. Good with you guys. And right back there. That's just like straight up evil. Good with you back. I'm back in the game. Wow. What the frigging heck is going on. Insurgency? The NBA's. Asylum here on the one and I'm here. I think it's I'm here for it. The survivor season is turning into a musical where the contestants are contextualising the events that happen. That's a great hack. Holy crap. That is a great hack. If you are an active survivor castaway who feels like this show start adequately representing your story come up with some sort of musical alias and sing your tail in song form, get your family to perform it. And maybe get ahead out of the deal. That was the fish backstreet, boys. Maybe leaving who knows developing in more of our traditional fair. Here's last week's one-off co-winner Corey be talking about the return of Mr. Rick Devon's WNBA news on channel four. Four. Rick new development survivor game. In the game. Blue. Agree. The snake? Okay. That was from lyrical genius. Belinda Spencer Carlisle. Josh it's time that we pay proper tribute to our fallen three times servive this week here is Rebecca from Seattle with an owed to Joey amazing. So movies. On. Seems. There is no. His. The. Beautiful tribute brought a tear to my eye. The little Tingler 's to talk about that. Have you talked to you feel like you've talked about the chambers. What do you want to say one? What are they those are his spirit guides the Tingler 's that's right? Do they have names? They do. But you can't speak out loud, is it forbidden. You've got to wait for your active player interview angle. Jio angle to tell you Tingler one and Tingler to I rule of Tingler 's is you can't talk about other people's Tingler 's I'm really looking forward to three seasons from now survivor tingles versus nartz. Dr tinkers versus drive darts. My money's on the narves. Josh we've got another song. Here about Joey amazing here is Wanda newcomer Isaac from Wisconsin all the way from the sept- shack. Away, bad comedy intentions or strategy. Rush news, and no love is. Your. This grand. I wish I could see. Kiss. My dad. The second Tibo here. And I just want to say, I don't think you could play. Joe's dad for sure some fiction for son. What he's got a pretty awesome kid like Joey amazing that money Smith. That's absolutely, right. Tim Tibo of you make a fair point Casey Kasem shouldn't not have put that into the honorable mentions. If you ask me great job. They're great catch by Tim Tibo. Casey what's going on here? What what again we again. Another from. I apologize about that one. I misheard the lyric. I misheard the lyric and my hearing is not what it used to be after all these years working in radio. View of you talking here. So. Are you freaking kidding me? Very just. He's got a long podcast going on. And there's a lot of jokes. Go across all the podcast, and maybe some people might not get them. But some people do he's got a point. Josh. What is happened where? Million dollar. Is that even when it's cold? What's happened? What happened to us? Been in here too long. Go back making remixes cheese. Next up. Here's Laura e dear to talk about the mayor of extinction island. And speed. Risk standing. Whose name? Remove your name. That was. Irene Carola Mohan? That's great. That was awesome. Yeah. A couple of things that have we have we talked about the possibility that like Reema saying it's lame that Joey is coming to the edge of extinction. Like, not laying that they turned on him and voted him out. But lame like now, we've got no chance that's pretty lame. In my opinion. I think ream thought it was lame that they didn't vote out her nemesis. Kelly wentworth. Yeah. She's looking for that. She's waiting for that. She was like oh, hell, no, dude. Do we think we know vita is did a Phoenix? Tell you in Phoenix leave. It's a Phoenix. What is it? There's a secret seen about it. And honestly, it's so unmemorable. I watched it, and I could not tell you. Vodka. That is very replacement level merge. Name rise for the ashes like the vodka. You are meant to be. Finally, we have one less. Honorable mention very happy to have the return of Jenny and Colin nine the one off here. They are talking about rain. Feels like Franck Clark's constrain told in sweatless game through votes. Allred Kelly to comma health to vote Joe, then screw you. Can start it. Movie. Joe we mazing the. The one dog. I forgot to write a. Case. Leave it in leave it in. Was that was real quick that was the latest front guts? China's. Real move. Burst out of the cake with one real quick was. Oh, yeah. Streets. Are you ready to hear five songs? All wombats. That's nation. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am. I am. We'll start things off with song. Number one here on the countdown, and it comes to us from another Wanda off newcomer. Her name is Cathy talking about Rick Devon's and his chances. Throwing away. Shut. Away. Shut back from extension of a win the season. I have not wing. My shot out on day eleven but here, I am the edge of extinction. The problem is I got no come to make an impression I gotta work to make friends and make amends. That's my position amount of win. The worst of the tribes trying so hard to this comma strong vibe already thirty three. That's older. These super fans boulder colder every every advantage on need to manage. I'm lacking yet. I'm still panicked. The plan is to keep this torchlit of flame. But damn it's getting spill up my name. I am the CK. More than just headlines coming out of my mouth. They voted me out because I'm too cares. Medic much time on the edge was a little traumatic. And now that I'm back. My still won't be gone. But with Julie that it might be time to move on. With me. She says in parentheses don't be shocked when survivable mentions me I will stay in. This thing that sets me free eventually ascended seats flown away my shot. Throwing away my shut your back from extension gonna win the season. And I'm not going away. My shut I. I. Shot. Shut back from expansion and gonna win the season. I am not going away. My son a son. That was an epic number from the lyricist Rupert bone Hamilton. And now trying to remember what Aaron rice Berg had to do it. Anyway. Don't remember the joke a long time ago. Lots changed between now and then very good. Very very good. Josh this next one comes to us from one another one off duo here is Michael and Kimberly talking about Ron Clark and his allies. I love comma. Everyone knows this didn't want to swap. I'll look down all the yellow buff. I said look around us all bunch more. Yeah. Awesome. Say. With. Well, probably not. Gal. He's this knee. That was a beautiful anthem from cold wit called play called less. Good like that. How does he? Yeah. Our Ron Clark says Yala Allah, which upon listening to the clip BAC. I forgot that that wasn't the tribe name. But. Ryan Clark loves comma. Yeah. I would have been a love combo. And the ele-. Yeah. Next up is the number three song and wombats nation this week. And it comes to us from our resident eleven year old the mazing Macy amazing talking about this week's vote. In the past. Marching to the challenge. It's call it. Gavin Kelly ecstatic, but you tells. Hello. In the. The tribes. And this. The real. But dick, Joey get a per goes. No. No. Those those this way. Has. Did you? And you have a friend. She called them. That's from the group. Oh, MCC Taylor. Perhaps the most amazing thing about eleven year old Macy is her knowledge of the one hit wonders of nineteen ninety six very impressive Deepal, very impressed. Yeah. Next up. The number four song in all of one bets nation comes to us from an old friend of the wand off, here's Graham from the I love you bay area. Talking about Joey amazing. Two three four. To joe. Cata plant pulled. Eight seven Mr. lick debt of Joe. But just can't sit on. Two. The efforts is the right time to come up with the plan to take out the amazing fans, but I guess one of them in this game. Misfits clocks picky picky. Mr. pit him. Where the boats were head now where itchy and. Itchy and. Pick fulfilled stuff fish back to Nate. Comma, would not let me stay. Out ready. By using Darnay. That was an old school jam from snoop. Doggy war dog. Good snoop. Bobby Doug kinda read it. So that would also be good. The number five song in all of one. That's nation comes to us from another one off great here to close out. This week's top five is Karen from Canada talking about that. I con ick moment in survivor history. I. I cut this feeling that Jeff Yukon. You crushed it to his bike. You. The word student. You. One. But that was Lucia too. Twenty nine. Clinic. That was from the group. I Kana Papa bear. And. Last one are the top five songs and all of wombats nation. What a week that was a delight as tasty cake. Josh remember when I said that those were the top five song in all of bats nation. I do recall when you said that well, there's a six song. That's nation, April Fools. You got. You should see your face right now. Because you totally fell for it. Classic April Fools prank from Casey Kasem. You're so funny. Casey. You just got case it. Yeah. There are steps for riot laugh amid is case better. I guess they're equally worse. They're both bang walked right into it. Okay. All right. Just moved law. Let's just keep going. Here's Jason talking about Joe strategy. Fishy brown. To do. Three. Keep. Anything today? Painted like are you comfortable that you don't need to talk to anybody or you? You're not going to talk to anybody weird. Weird. That was from tho- great Todd hers. Rundgren I gotta imagine that if when we get to the point where the extinct can return to the game again. And if the survivor gods have listened to this podcast and mastered, the art of time travel, and they deliver us a cake arrival or the return from extinction. Got imagine that the cake decorations. Courtesy of Joey amazing are going to be incredible Phoenix cake. That's right. Josh those are the top six songs all of wombats nation. Oh, you didn't keep talking. I feel like that means a thing. There's things seven song this week's Wanda off totally fell for it. Get. That was happening. I said class talking April Fools prank, sometimes April Fools, prank happens. It takes years to become iconic others, but come icon, ick instantly. This is not one of this was definitely one of those moment. Not it's not it wasn't Casey. I really I do not care for the April Fools pranks by the record for the record. All right. Sorry about that. I know I'm already on thin ice. Casey kasem. Can't remember my birthday. Can remember it performs apparently cheese next up? Here is filthy talking about a rebranding of the commas six. Filty? Got a pretty vanilla Wyatt's name. Better. To the day of the gate. You say color. Six to Joe's navy men who chick I forgot to name truly devastating. Titrate gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang. Julie Bob, same color. Mosques do Joe's name chick. I forgot the name. Can we might try to come up? Titrate simply gay the gay Julie. Hardest. Red free in your head set some attorneys to the they're trying to tears read beat low, right immunity. The unity. This is truly shine. Julia. She got a whole shop at three. Shoot. These stupid now. The Dow Beck alive future around. It's going to take more than that to keep a Phoenix down. Hold on. Okay. Back. Oh, yeah. Julie julie. That was the great artists big Lil pump. There's a file fantasy reference there. And then it was founded actual iconic final fantasy seven music Phoenix down. And I thought it was just a coincidence. That's the item that you buy that could bring characters back to life with die in battle. And he said that and then he dropped the final boss music from fancy seven one wing angel by mat-su, which is the song that plays when Steph Roth fight him, and he's like half angel at that point the cake that you like Casey, that's crazy. That S get it. Wow. That was like that agenda thing to do like jenex. Are you saying that filty has someone who is older than him telling him about things that he's not old enough to know about the has to be it still makes nation? Great, right. I loved it. As does a big surprise. There. You go. That is that would be the seventh of the songs that fantasy seven that seven one offs this week. It's not finished. To vote in one. Head on over to rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda to cast your vote for one of this week's seven finalists here at the survivor merge. Wow. Seven finalists craze number. Rick. Sevens. Josh it was a pleasure to be here this week. Of course, you could hear all of Casey's top forty up on the rob has a podcast patron, Saint Cloud account by going to rob has a website dot com slash patron for me K C K, some keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. Them everybody. Casey case everybody sorry about all those Casey Kasem pranks. I I asked him not to do that. Asked yourself. Got to talk to somebody. Josh wick ler high here, we are another wiggle room has come and gone. Yeah. And we're fishery in apple come on. That's not how you pronounce it. The Ron Clark pronunciation. Are we supposed to wear yellow and apple love apple? Love lomb. Yes. Of course. Also, thank you so much to Randy new pool as well for uploading everything to the soundcloud logging all of these songs as they come in to make it so much easier for Casey Kasem to go through everything so special thanks to Randi. And also to Jason Curtis Rivera who makes the music videos for the wand off. So when he has enough time to make music videos and even get some sleep. So there you go Josh Wigley dream team. The main thing making it happen making reams come true. Yes. Okay. Give a pick on who's going to home this week. Probably like. Unless there's still hope for like that like idol scenario that we kinda started sketching out a little bit last week. I hope I mean, I would say if I had to pick right now, I would say I think Wentworth is the most likely target. But here we go when worth most likely target with an idol in her pocket and stop me. If you've seen this one before. Idled? Out of second. So I like, I think that this is, you know, pick a name out of the hat this week. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good call. Yeah. I think that we could be we could be in for some some witchcraft here on Wednesday nights on Wednesday witchcraft I'm here for it. That'd be great. Otherwise, if it's if it's like, the Randy prophecy and just like, I don't know CLA award is it out. Well, if it is witchcraft potentially in the works than there is no better guess for me to be talking to this week. Then Abby Maria Gomes's this Thursday. I'm going to be in person with Abby Maria on recap shell and then your friend and mine, Dr Mike will be on the feedback show in grad of all. That's great. That's awesome. Loaded week Jay on them this week in survivor. So a lot to talk through before we get back to next week's edition of the Waco. I asked him if he's got any funny cake stories. Yeah. Well, I'm sure we will hear a lot of funny stories from Dr Mike this weekend. So looking forward to that one Josh welts you have gone on. I'm in game of thrones mode man game of thrones doesn't return until Sunday. My show that it's like don't call me that it's like kids get in here. Oh, man, rims gonna miss game of thrones. Because she's stuck on the edge of extinction because she's still out there right now. Right. So yeah, I really stinks. We're gonna have to catch her out when she comes home. Yeah. Lame of throats, lame after Huns, no, not lame of thrones game of thrones. That's all happening. Lots of stories on HR dot com slash game of thrones. It's basically, that's my life is is game of thrones right now with a slice of survivor on the side. So things could certainly be worse. A lot of fun things to be talking about writing about good stuff happening death in my neck of the woods you and I are going to be finishing up. Our epic rewatch of game of thrones this week when we watch the final episode today of game of thrones season seven episode seven later this week on post show recap. So be on the lookout for that. And then Jake bring a cake cake and then. Doesn't go. Great for Joffrey when that happens, but heal. Yes. Of course, then just Leeson I covered the season finale of season nine of the Walking Dead as well. Over on social recaps. I really liked the season of the Walking Dead. I wonder if that's an unpopular thing to say when I thought it was actually pretty good. I never encourage anybody to catch up on the Walking Dead have to get through season six through eight. But if you choose to do that on your own I thought he's nine was really good. I thought it was among the best Walking Dead seasons. Yes. So head and shoulders above some of the very good. Very good. Good. Okay. Josh herself, rob Nikki needed podcast. Also went up this weekend. All of the other podcasts kiva tonight us solve some fictional murders. I love that. That's incredible. I'm so behind on that podcast, but very tempted to get my act together. So I can hear you guys solve a crime. That seems like I'm shocked at that one hasn't happened. Nd yet. So this is great all great stuff, of course, special. 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This Week in Survivor: Survivor 38, Episode 13 with Shannon Gaitz

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This Week in Survivor: Survivor 38, Episode 13 with Shannon Gaitz

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Stockham bow. Take. So we can. Smartest audience. By you. This week in survivor episode number thirteen thank you too will from America one of the mount Rushmore faces of this week in survivor history as we're getting ready for the final week before the finale of survivor, the edge of extinction here with me. Oh, once again to talk about it all and later on play the this week in survivor history quiz, the young Rick Devon's Jordan Kayla ish. Yes. I am here. I am hopefully, not as controversial on social media. Not that not that actual Rick Devon's has been controversial. But there's controversy that has also is polarizing the reaction has certainly not as polarizing but still a polarizing figure, but I'm only the the young Rick Devon. So I I still have to. Morph into the full polarizing version of myself. Yes. Okay. Is the prequels? All right here. Joining us. I'm very excited to have this guest of back with us always joy for me to get the podcast with her. We talked to her in the preseason when we talked about David Wright. And now she is getting ready to kick off the summer of international survivor coverage here on the Iraq has a podcast network of podcasts here. She is all the way from Australia, the great, Shannon gates era. I'm back with a vengeance. For the weekends by the history quiz in lifetime. I did lose it wasn't. It wasn't a big mining. But I lost. But Godunov a lot of survivor the Amazon all-stock questions for people who don't remember soon. I'm back to correct that incredibly unveils. Okay. All right. Shannon were very excited for. International survivor coming up survivor, South Africa is going to be kicking off next week. I think that's going to be dropping the day after the US survivor. Finale. I know that you have a preview podcast of all of the characters from survivor, South Africa with Liana Boris upright now. Yeah, we did that yesterday. We did a lot of social media building of the contestants because the bios were pretty show it, and that's what most of the podcast games. I hope people find it helpful. But you had starting this week. And I broke on the podcast. But I can also say now, you're you breaking news and then done. That actually did survive a pay for them to have that music because they use it so often that I feel like they're trying to get the most use out of it. I don't know if that means we'd have to find out from somebody who is in the Rick Devon's a local market if that is like some sort of a as that opens up his broadcast, or if he has come up with some public domain, call son. And then then. I hit Twitter loves it. So yes, yes. Okay. But go ahead to break break, your news, Shannon. All right. Well, the first thing is well ustralian survive. I is the sprint survivor. South Africa's more than marathon it will be eighteen episodes one week going to attend the twelfth is the finale, so we'll be doing this for the next four months September twelfth. Yeah. It's a really long time from our this little longer than I can see head of me or they stooping some weeks or is there is that. Right. That's that's eighteen weeks from September twelve. I haven't done the math. It feels. Right. That that drives Jordan. Yes. Contested weeks from now twenty one contestants eighteen episodes survivor, South Africa and survivor, South Africa is literally the bridge from survivor thirty eight to survivor thirty nine and then is a strange advice somewhere in the middle of it. But yeah, I mean the day after the season end another breaking news that I can do if Rick. They end net who and the show are going to be putting the first episode on YouTube as I understand for at least a couple of weeks. So everyone can check that out. And then we'll have some updates on what they're doing with the rest of how everyone can wash it. So it should be pretty easy. Hopefully, and it should be really great. I mean, if anyone's ever known upon pas have definitely spoken about how mazing the last using was I would cost about it with Mike loom. We could have some really really cool guests on who clear south rob needed some of the side, South Africa contestants made even US vibe and people from our HP. So we're going to be having a lot of fun with survivor before survivor study night. You don't have to wait that long. And I really hope everyone will join us in that. Right. And the what's really fun about the international survivor seasons is you know, it's as people who've watched a lot of US survivor seasons. Sometimes we have a feeling about how the story is going based on what we're seeing who's talking and basically throw those conventions. Out the window when you're watching international survivor. So it it really is a different experience and one that is very fun in different from what we're used to with the US editions of the show, and we always do keep track of those links to the international season pretty closely in the broadest podcast up patron groups. So if anybody is tracking those down or looking for those that we have a spreadsheet that we end up getting those out to the patrons. In the Facebook group win the international seasons of survivor are going on. Okay, shannon. Let's get into where we are at days away from the edge of extinction finale, and I guess we need to start with. Your thoughts on Rick Devon's at this hour. I didn't think you were gonna ask me about Rick. I didn't think we would be talking about Rick today. Yeah. My thoughts on Rick. This is like this is now like the saliva question. I feel about about the whole season on I was totally on a bar about this yesterday. And I kind of feel like in a season of what takes maybe the lukewarm takes all the hottest because I kind of meal like. Dark rule. She was to the beam babe. And maybe she she used that. Yeah. I just kind of feel like I don't understand the extremity of opinion. According to a you know, as it pertains to reconsult, I really like him the dad jokes really works for me. I mean, you can off my fiance. That's that's a human type that I enjoy. But I don't understand the what seems like I guess quite personal hatred towards him pretty personal. I mean, I know that they're examples given like, you know, he he said the women weren't playing, and he was kind of showboating at some of these problems councils, it seems to have really like come before that even and I still think that that might be mildly irritating, but it or get why it's like, I don't know so annoying. I really don't think that pretty much any survivor contestant. Okay. There were a few surviving conditions, but most of our contestants in especially not on the season deserve the level of like very personal this lie. I think that is coming towards him. So I don't get that pot. The pot that is people are annoyed with the way that he's playing the game. Game. Now, he's playing the game with the way that he might go onto win the game. I guess how the annoyance with that. Like, I get the annoyance with the show making this wave winning not only a way of winning which is fine. But like de way of winning if you look at the stats of some of the recent winners assuming records on to win. And I think he would probably the odds on savored at the moment, but for Ben's immune from the final seven Wendell from six Nick from seven. And then you've got my hallway back at nine. And then there's you know, other people throughout who've been saved with idols within that I mean rug Jenna ruined Joe game by going on a munity run a frontal four and the immune from like nine, right? But, but I think we still need to see the end of the story in terms of we don't know how it's gonna like does it change anything. If it's a Rick win in the season. But it turns out that. Okay. Now, the edge of extinction person comes back and wants to work with Rick or that what if he survives a vote without being immune. Does that change that calculus for you? It would make it better for sure I mean, I think also. Would make the other players look worse because they know they have a lot to deal with with an age of extinction. Present coming back to might be biggest threat. I know that you and Stephen were talking about who would be a bigger threat. That's a lot to deal with evaded him get through one tribal council. Then that would make me feel better about it the way it's you know, he no he has an idol. Obviously this file so it's just that one tribal council. He'd be pretty good odd to win a'munity, obviously to find another idol, which they will one hundred percent hide. So if that's the way it goes down. It's just like it's too margin. As I've seen the story line in and too much of anything is not what I wanna see it. Also, I think that it's been a little bit different than than Ben. It's like a sort of the combination of Ben and Mike where Mike pretty much only one immunities, I think he had won immunity idol along the way, and then Ben only had idols didn't win immunity along the way Rick has sort of gone gone back and forth between the two. So to me. I mean, if he's winning immunity challenges. I mean that's part of the game and has been since the very first season. And if Kelly Wigglesworth won the first survivor season. I don't think the people would have said that. Okay. Oh, these I hate these winners that are just win immunity every single time. Yeah. And there are a lot of winners who have what I mean. I don't think from like as far back as the scene because Rick would have been immune from the final eight but with two final sixes. So the final nine I mean that would be pretty ready to be immune the whole way through anyway. But they they all windows you've won the loss two or three challenges. And that's fine. Because that was a rarity. You know, it was an interesting enough thing to see I guess every few seasons. But now it's like the way to win survivor is to be immune every single time lets me it's a show about voting people out. How do you not give it out an interesting way to do that? Now, there is one glaring way to do that. It's just, you know, be you can't be boated out. That's what you should do some really interesting things because I've a history off Tony being vulnerable. Final three and convincing somehow to take him. Natalie Anderson at final four, and it's like, why don't you voting her out in somehow between Missy and Keith like that's the survivor that I personally value. And I know that comes down to my value system in the game the social strategic. I have one hundred the value system of a lot of people who listen to this podcast and a lot of the people on Twitter, which might explain the reaction to that. So yeah, that's not a game that shoop interested in watching especially through repeatedly and like in such close proximity to each other. Whereas I said all the race winners pretty much have that story line. But I think that I think that what Twitter is trying to say most of Twitter at this point is that there is a divide. There is being annoyed at that. Which I think a lot of people are then there's liking disliking rate and those things separate and you can fall into either Cam. Okay. All right. Well, I don't wanna make a whole podcast about this. We've talked about this enough across all the shows. But it's good to sort of just like get the sense of where people are when we started talking about this. I want to get your thoughts on. Rick Devon's partner in crime David Wright, who you went back and did a full deep dive watched seasons. Listen to his podcast, and we really came up with the philosophy of David Wright coming into this game looked like things were going really well for a while ultimately David Wright, God was blind to me. And then we haven't seen him since Shannon. So what's going on with David? Yeah. I mean, I knew I was coming on the left podcast of the season. So I was just like, I know it was a high Bob, and I was just so hooping David would still be in the game to talk about. Look I said on the preseason podcast that he should talk about what a loyal ally. He is. And how he went to rox how he plays on allies. And I think you might get that note a little too high. I think the David is one of the best non winning players in survivor and the season did not detract from that millennials gen-x. I think he is an old time game the season wasn't up to that. Like white up to that obviously was very different structure payment so difficult like the pre merger. David Reid has gone through imbo seasons so hot and he had a horrible horrible swaps throughout horrible time at the merge at in the season. So he's had a difficult run of it. I still think there was a lot of things across the season's that just show his skills like as we said in the preseason point costs that there would be times where he definitely should go home. And you're wondering why in the hell we you didn't. I think the Rick Devon's vote was a really good example of that. And he was doing that throughout the season. So I think it was a very different type of social game like millennials Vesa gen-x very much found his people and in this. He had like connections with people. He was like almost like jumping from like rough too rough trying to get across the water, and he was using kind of varying connections to do it. Plus, he's really threatening snow. Sneaky. So he was survived things. He absolutely should. I think he's got a really good read on the game social game. You know, people really do tend to like him. I don't know about whoa dog. But besides that, I think he's got the social game on point. And like I still think he played such a great game. Even though it didn't go his way. Do you think there's a chance David Wright will return to the game on a Wednesday night? I would actually put him in Mike talk to people. I think could return probably second behind ovary. I think whoever comes back through going straight out the door in revolving room of action. I think my heart is take that whatever I what I've had to contend with as David Wright superfan opt, he vote it out has been that. I now want him to win the season. And that's like go because you don't want to root for a person who's been voted out. Yeah. I don't want to have to root for like David getting voted out in the mid merge. I don't want this to be his survivor story. Like if whoever comes back if possible from age of extinction and wins the game maybe wins a couple of immediate challenges and wins the game having not been on the show through the whole merge. Rick is I think a little bit different. Obviously, he's been through the home budge. He was in the pre much still not he out of the pre budge. It's not great. But it's better for me than missing the most important part of the game. And then coming back at the end to win. I think I value the values of the show too much to want anyone to do that. And from David rocks perspective, I would much rather that he was considered one of the oh best non winning plausible times. Like the worst of a winner just has to contend with. I know he might disagree, and that's fun. But I feel like he would overwhelm his legacy. And yeah, I've had to just believe that like I would rather Gavin Wednesday David Reid at this point. And that's that's painful for me. I mean, I think Shannon. I it's hard for me to say this because I'm such a big fan of someone like Aubrey or David, right? Yeah. Tell you what were some of the other new players that are on extinction islands. But I think you're right missing part of this post merge game really would take away from their win. And I think it would be potentially the most controversial thing that's ever happened on the show the thing with Devon's I mean, yes, he's one. I think the controversy with him is more going to be the. The fact that you know, he he's had idols. He's one immunities down the stretch. And that's something that might turn off people who are fans of the strategy of the show, but him getting voted out pre merger you missed too. I think what he missed two votes. I think and it wasn't really that important of a time in the game where he also got so badly screwed by that swap where I really don't think him getting voted out. There is going to be such a knock against him. I mean, obviously, there are things that you can do if you get yourself in a bad slop situation, and he didn't do them. He got voted out. But I don't think it's a serious someone who got voted out in the mid verge of the early merge coming back to win. And I agree with you on everything will part of that. I also think that he was kind of screwed in the swap. He would never have thought that interruption of five plays was going to be voting together. Because he thought they were going to be swapped. And at least when they did get swapped all maybe one vote later when they would have maybe taken out, Wendy, and they've been swept to other people. And I really think that Mata which is trying to keep soup unified to go to an eventual swap that never happened. So I think he was screwed at that point. I think he was. And he was like of anyone to come back in at that much. I feel like he was the one who was like most unfairly in quotation marks voted out. But I think the one thing is maybe you're not looking at the ripe positive because deputy people will definitely be upset that he was voted out. It's definitely a massive massive thing against the people doing I agree. The idols immunities of being immune from final night is way worse to me than the fact that he kinda missed a couple of votes in the Primo. I mean communists Olivo, it's on the premiums. They headed easy. So I wanted to talk about David Wright, weather, we we're good on Devon's for bacteria. Jordan Kayless brought us back to to Rick Devon's. But I wanted to ask you what? In your mind was David rights. Best move or moment in this season. I really really liked how he didn't go home the Devon's lead. And I don't know how he did that. What was his? Yeah. He feel like it wasn't maybe one move. But it was just surviving with a massive target on his back. Like, that's not something. He was so used to became a target like around probably day study millennials gen-x, whereas he came in here. And the fact that he in Kelly like it was is the summation of that entire Primoz that he Kelly survived. The see. I mean, look what happened to arrange. Oh, but they survived the whole budget had so much power as they did from what we were seeing at the beginning of the premature. I mean, I don't know how much is true. But I looked like he and Kelly were at the top of the palace Trump shop, and like how does that happen? You know? So I just think it's about surviving through that. And having control through that when he actually shouldn't have he should've been gone. You know, they would say he wasn't helpful in the challenges. He should've been gone super early. In hindsight, though, was his biggest mistake and all split. This fifty fifty between him and Kelly. Although he was the first person that was talking about this on the show. We didn't hear Kelly talk about this until later was a failure to work. Well, with Kelly Wentworth, or would you say that them fighting with each other was the only reason that they were able to survive the pre merge, I think that their relationship did work for them. It was kind of like pot of both of those things they could work together. But they weren't like a type pair. I think they were type pair it probably wouldn't have looked good. So I mean, I have no I don't really know what the breakdown was in the Kelly thing. Maybe it was you'll pud cough that you did with like older blames. I that. I don't blame me. No having think women here from David Wright who probably concretely be like. Yeah. Rav it's called causing me. He mentioned it in the preseason. So I mean, I don't know. I think the hottest thing to me to wash the David this season. Was that way with his people like it's so many points of his wife is only real friend. Rick devon's. And while he did have connections that helped him. It was just like I just wanted him to find kind of like a group. Yes. So it's just Aguas you on the edge of extinction in the in the game evening on in the game. I would almost rather just be morning it rather than being this weird Khaw Haas place. But that's okay. Okay. It's hard to build a group when you're when you're pre merger tribe goes to tribal council every single time that did Todd. I mean, he's had the worst luck with premed is with swaps, and he he's handled it really well. So always a David rights, Dan. And when he comes back in the next season. I'll definitely want him to win again. It's just in this one particular situation that I feel conflicted. Okay. Shannon. Do you have any? Thoughts on how things are going to bear out on Wednesday night. Well, as I said, I would give my I was thinking over coming back. If I be interesting. He's right. I pick I feel she she go to obviously, she's ordering. So it makes sense. She go to Lord of edit for being just like a premature boot. And I feel like a lot of the genetics. They can people have kind of had that story concluded on edge of extinction. Like you never want. Anyone to be like told me about how they've grown personally, and they're like satisfied with that personal journey like you can't win and have a journey once they edit showing the death field. But that's bad. I feel someone. Yeah. Let's Kelly Wentworth the office. She go vote it out the next episode. She's on edge of extinction. Talking about how much you've learned about itself. And I was like okay to me. This is the death known her story because he's coming to the independence. She's learned her lesson. And she's taken what she needs to from the game and fat because you should need to win. So you would say the the less we've seen of a person on the edge of extinction. The better their prospects. Are I think it's more just like what we've seen? If we've seen them be. Talking about their personal journey, and how satisfied with you know, what they've taken out of the game, that's bad. But if they're talking about even David Reid had the episode after he wrote it out like he was talking about like daddy. Becky, and and kind of like having that drive that steady you want them to be having moved bent on something rather than like, concluding something. Okay. All right, Jordan. Do you have a pick for who's coming in on Wednesday? My pick would be between David and Aubrey. I think even though we saw Aubrey get the advantage. I'm going to guess that David is coming back in. I'm just going all the way back to that scene where Devon's and David were talking about being at the final four together. And maybe there is something prophetic. So just just going back to that scene. I think it could be David. Yeah. I think that that would be a a really wild scenario if David Wright comes back into the game, Shannon Evans wins immunity plays plays the idol on David at the tribal council that could be crazy. What do you do that? He would never do that. That would be really stupid. He was he was immune. Would he do that? If he was immune. It's like the final. And it's the final five the last time you could play at maybe he would do it. But I really don't think the Devon's any weapon comes back from the age of extinction. We'll both be there at the final vite. I guess unless the team wins the media demonstrates as idols. Actually trying to work out. I mean, if somebody came back into the game and was a hardcore Devon supporter to the point that they could potentially go to rocks with with Devon's and not slip against whoever. If it was like Giulio was that third person working with them that would be formidable, and it would be crazy though for Devon's to take David Wright to final four where that David Wright. It has the reputation for being this expert fire make your Shannon. Yeah. I mean, I don't know obviously, very loyal to each other. But he said that he does want to be loyal to David because that's what got him voted out the first time. So I haven't seen doing that. And I don't see Julie going to them either. I feel like Julius turning on Devon's if and when he's ever not immune. But it's crazy knocked while he met someone coming back for the big stage in because I know my Winnipeg was Joey amazing. Rob ios was Julia's. Well, right. Yes. Yes. We and the what we were predicting is literally exactly what's happening. We predicted. He would get voted out and just come back and win. I don't think that will happen. But it's still like in play like, I'll tradition is actually happening as it should can you imagine how Greg now little watching it that is so much crazy than when we could have predicted at the time. It's like they'll be out for a few weeks. Now that we've walked all week play out. Just imagine Joe coming back. They never got through one tribal council when you couple of challenges and winning the season. Oh that possibility is crazy. You you said this Robert it's not it doesn't seem like his story though. It doesn't really feel like that. This is Joe's season of survivor, Shannon. It's going to be also super weird if the person comes back from the edge extinction and then voted out at that. Same trouble. Is that what happened with Andrea on when she came back as the second person in the first redemption island? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. That's what happened. And I definitely think that that would be what what will happen here. Like if they're not immune. I mean, I guess to Devon's could be shield. But that's so so concerning to anyone in the game who they've been hanging out during the entire time. Like, obviously, they're gonna get diverts. Yeah. I think that they'd be crazy to not not immediately. She came back. She was like, hey, look every let's girls vote together in rob don't vote with her. Voted right back out. So it could be anti-climactic. Well, that's what usually happens. I mean, unless they would immunity like Ozzy like they haven't made it to the end yet. Island. So well, I think that both Ozzy and Tina made it through one vote where Ozzy I think was immune. And I think that was I don't know if if Tino was immune, but I think that Sierra got voted out before her, right, Shannon. And then they felt like that Tina was less of a threat in the final four challenge yen fear hasn't just go onto rocks against them. So like, no wonder they wanted to put her out quickly because that's annoying. Yeah. Okay. Shannon this week. We saw survivors get letters from their most loved ones than themselves. Yes. Did did you did it bring a tear to your eye to watch the survivors get their letters from home from themselves from their own home from knowing Heim? We'll yeah. This was one of the funny thing that ever seen. I mean was this show try to troll as you've extinction, but they so hungry thanking that they just ate it up from yourself loses. And I'm like that. So Phoenix to me. Thank you, like Yulia, just stocks immediately crying. She's why you spend so much time with yourself only with his edge things in like, I cannot think of anyone I would rather hear from less than myself. I would rather send Julia. Julia. Then get a letter for myself. I mean, it was just so sad for them. And another thing I was thinking I wanted to ask you wrote this questionnaire that they were filling out if there's something that they do every season. Like, this is something I've heard about this seems new to me. I maybe there's somebody who is listening who's on David versus Goliath or ghost island is like, no, no, no, oh, we we all fill out that questionnaire. Maybe it's their survivor application, but I this seems new to me, Shannon. Yeah. Because returning you had an EPA done this before I would be like why are they asking me to do this in the preseason. Like that would terrify me doesn't that seem so full voting? It's like, look we want you to write a letter to a self because you're going to be so destitute a desperate by the end of this game that you're gonna frigging need it. Like, I would be like why would what fresh hell is installed for me on the what was the on the parchment. I'm looking at the letterhead. Why am I here is like that looks like question number one? I'm not sure if there's other questions that were there I noticed that would crossing out and wrote his own question. What was that question that we're dog wrote? I couldn't I couldn't see the whole thing. But it was very. One day. The problem is when you when you pause on CBS all access like shrinks it down to like did you say when you pause, and I wish they wouldn't do. Yeah. I mean, I as an Australian can't wash CBS all access. I mentioned that. It's amazing. Another thing in the segment, which I found really funny was when they introduced that that we're going to get the letters and Julia sauce crying, Kelly's Kelly's reaction is kind of like the old reaction. I would expect you just got going. Oh over and over again. Oh nice. But it was like what are we doing? They're so desperate anything. Like, I generally just understand why this would be an emotional thing for them. I know elementary school teachers who do this where they have like their kids write letters to themselves at the beginning of the school year. Like what they want to learn and what they wanted to accomplish by the end of the year. And I think in a school setting. It's actually a nice thing to do. But I just don't get it on survivor where you have adults that are playing a game. I don't know why they need to get these letters give him if if you're going to give them letters, the maybe maybe have some sort of like, I don't know if we wanna see an extra edge of extinction challenge. Maybe something you put on CBS all access, and you give and the winner gets a letter from home or something, I think that would be more interesting. Well, let's see what the reaction was to learning about this twist. And you know, it's kind of mean because I think they'd probably thought that oh this is it we're going to go get our chance to get back in the game. Or maybe this is some sort of a reward for making it this long, but reward wrong. Yeah. It was a letter here is here's Eric. Who was the postmaster general of the edge of extinction? Oh my God. What is that? Oh, what's in the box? I thought I found this near the flagpole. Every Julia has her arm around ream like this is it. This is the moment that we've been waiting for smear. It's here letters from ourself. You have been pushed further into and you have withstood the tests like all right guys. This is it this is the moment. We're getting we're getting back into the game. This is the winter. You wrote to yourself. The gaming. Remind yourself why you are here. Felt loved ones using without really the impact of the left ones. Yeah. So they stay with with Eric. And we get to hear thoughts about this. Try to remember all the good things waiting for you. Now at don't forget, you're one of the lucky ones. What an adventure arm. What a story to tell. What a story what a story to tell. Couple of tribals been sleeping with ring. Several weeks story. And then I went to this island where it was just me, and Joe and reams and Aubrey. Chris Underwood, and I was going to quit and Chris Underwood caught a Stingray. And I was like, oh, I guess I'll stick it out, and then a bunch of other people came, and then we got these letters is Eric struggling like a bedtime. Everything is what a story, and I'm going to tell my kids like just gets me detaining content. Storyteller. Yeah. He, but this story, I think we'll be sending his kids to sleep. The secret detaining game. Not that exciting. Okay show. Any other thoughts on the edge or this week? We'll this week. I feel like my hottest. Hey, I'm not married to it. And I feel like I'll be immediately while you're lukewarm takes those are the hottest takes. I don't know if I've ever been lukewarm before. But maybe as I said, this is what the new tesa. I'm not hundred percent sure that they were going to be voting for ROY going into tribal council. I know that that is the pervading thought in the puck custom unity, and I definitely see why. When I watched the episode that's not what I got from it. So I watched it, and I still kind of feel like the me. Maybe what happened is that Gavin, Victoria, like, it seems like it was victorious decision. She didn't seem to even be considering. She seemed if anything it was like he didn't trust Lawrence. So that made it even worse. I hit would make wanna get rid of Juli even more as you said probably should have been Lauren, but it really didn't see much. She was considering it seems like she's quite pleased to Aurora, and I don't know why Gavin wouldn't go with us. But I. So like for me, maybe what happened is when it was a half of the Senate John's that Rick was going to be playing the idol on Julie. It was kind of like when the three negroes would like, we'll Vokes Philip. But everyone was like that's fine. My well. So they voted facilit-. Anyway, like I feel like they didn't care that much about keeping written. So might as well, but they you know, maybe going into trouble doing it. And I know that it wasn't whispering and stuff. But when it's such a mitt decision to them. Maybe just does take a couple of books to be like whatever left is following through this plan. We kind of ready had one go to do. But now might as well. Rob. I really liked your take on this show. Please go on your where were you in? Stephen both said that that Lauren would have been the right vote here. I mean, you you get rid of Aurora b and I guess the reason they threw out is that she is going to be the immunity challenges. But if you really need somebody to be Rick, Devon's and immunity challenge, wouldn't you wanna rower there who could potentially beat him? And then I think from everything at least that we've seen on the editor in the show is Aurora really a threat to win the game at the end to me. She seems like someone who might go to the end and get no votes where Lauren besides Rick Devon's you has like obviously, you know, she I think he has the attention of the jury. I think if he gets to the end he's he's probably going to win. But Lauren is someone who still has a great story of coming coming back from like the monitor slash less alliance and getting in with the common people and getting all the way to the end if she potentially gets there. So to me, she was the more the more dangerous player at the end and the person who has less of a chance to be Rick Devon's in a challenge. Yeah. I really did not lie. How this night unfolded for a Victoria, most of all and I've gone back and look at this a couple of different times, Shannon, where it's like that Rick talks to Julie. And Rick says he wants to keep Julian the game Julie talks to Lauren and gets Lauren onboard. Okay. I want to keep you in the game and Lawrence's over let me go to Gavin. And she's like, hey, what do you think if we vote out Aurora because she's a bigger threat than than? Julia. Is and Gavin says, well, I want to run a past Vick and Lawrence hells Gavin. Hey, I'll do it. You know? Let's let's do it. Whether or not Victoria wants to do it and Gavin told Victoria, this information that hey, Lauren wants to do this plan. Whether you're on board or not, and I can't imagine that this is a good omen for Victoria. And while it might have been tough to get Lauren on board to vote out Julie at that tribal council. I just wonder if Gavin and Victoria. And Aurora stuck to their guns. And it was a three three vote would people go to rocks for Lauren on the other side? I mean that I mean would Julie Goethe rocks for Lauren. So I don't know why. She would it be Julie go to rox. I don't think so so either they could stick to their guns and put their votes on Julie whether or not of whether or not Lauren was on board or put their votes on Lauren, which would be blindsiding her without an idol. And in that case would Julie go to rocks for Lauren or vice versa. Would it still be rocks? Because didn't Rick Devon's thinks that auroras going home like Rick Devon's wouldn't know the plan if the three if Gavin Warren, sorry if Gavin Victoria and Aurora put their votes on Lauren, Devon still puts their votes on Aubrey. I Lauren is voted. Didn't learn vote for Julie. Yeah. Yeah. It would still be three boats on Aurora in three votes on Lauren at that point. Okay. So no one is going to rock ridge in sakes. Except maybe Gavin in Victoria, like, I think that that's why that's why I think that they went in wanting to vote for Julie. Because I think that Victoria said no, that's what Julie. So Lauren wasn't gonna go to rocks. But then again once it was a tiny threat of an idol. It was like just chained back to an idea that look play it safe may try to get is like tell tell Julie Lawrence targeting. You. Maybe see if truly would vote with you against Lauren. She's going to believe that. They seem like they have a bond, Julie and Lawrence. I don't think she's going to buy that she's actually targeting you. So I think there's a couple of ways that you could have done it. But I just think that they folded and they're playing scared, Shannon. And that's how you win survivor. Well, I think that one of the reasons I thought that they went in wanting to vote for Julie was because I did agree with you that the Aurora move really wasn't a good move. And I would expect more Victoria, and I guess Gavin who's on the show, and I know a lot about what he's doing. I would expect that. So I kind of thought. Yeah. It was eighty playing a tiny bit scared and not really caring either way than going in with a plan that doesn't make a lot of sense. Like this scared that Aurora can make file like you need that someone needs to beat redemptions. Right. Like, it doesn't make any sense to me. And also keeping Julian the game. I don't think he's a good thing people openly saying they want to take her to the end. That's you'll spot if it's a final four of Aurora. Julie sorry Aurora Lauren Gavin abroad, I feel like everyone must be on somewhat even footing. And so everyone has a fair enough showed at it rather than someone being taken to the end, and that's gone. Like, I feel like those full would do well with job. Somebody's about to win the fire making challenge. Now, take Julie to the end in your spot, and you're going to be. Odd man out. Exactly like, that's that's threatening. Now Laurin has said she wants to do that. Okay. All right. He's ready to talk about some social media always. Okay. All right. Let's talk about the week and social media here is the great Jacob Sager Weinstein. Treats daily tweet their portions even fatal in the time to say that Devon's found another. Okay. So shocked that was about rake. And we're talking about him in the segment, right? We'll we'll talk a little bit about Rick. This is the social media segment. No one's talking about reconciliation media. I think we'll be do. You have a question before we saw. Yes. One tweet about Gavin in the segment to tweet about Yavan in the second one tweet about Gavin. We're gonna tweet from Gavin. Would we take that we take that? Tweeting about Gavin Gavin. I feel like that's maybe was. Yeah. All right. We'll see. We'll see if I can find one if I find anything pertaining to Gavin on Twitter. I'll give it to you. Okay. It is easy to find idols on survivor. I've been to find tweets about God's. That's right. That's right. Okay. All right. Let's take a look at what's going on with this cast and everything going on. And we found out this week that Aurora McCreary tweeted, how my mind automatically reads. The I was rooting for you a messages, and she has like the scared face emoji. Okay. Is the problem that it was past tense? I was rooting for you. I I saw this tweet, and there's a giftedness somewhere where the tire Bank thing of like I was rooting for you. We were already for you. Okay. Ream daily had a tweet. She tweeted happy to be in my own bed and warm. Tonight's sweet dreams edge of extinction gang. You exceeded. My limit of trying to tag you all at survivor CBS at Jeff Probst. Shout out to all of all of the friends from extinction. Rub. I do have to say that. My worst moment on Twitter was owned that room. Yes. Leading about and tweet about Rame. It was about informed. I sixty nine jumped in. Yes. I am. I going to deal with having a frigging fight the replies to the tweet. I was wanted to hide under a rock. Then it got mentioned on twists, and I was like went in the speech. Yeah. I know. He's a lot in mine engines, actually, somebody who doesn't follow me like anyway. Tweeting things that are that are creating content for the podcast. So we appreciate it. Yeah. That was good. Okay. You're one of the VP's Eva, you weren't even on the podcast that we, but you were one of the pieces of the social media segment. So it seems as though the survivor alumni have come out in support of Rick Devon's. And we have a lot of tweets pro Rick Devon's tweets from the survivor alumni, Dominik Hrbaty said why would everybody left in the game except Julie bowed down to at Rick Devon's W G as game play in front of the jury the way that they did made Rick's job a lot easier. Nothing like making other people making the case for you. Deng maybe plays in that same like, aggressive aggressive ways. Rick. So I think he would probably appreciate like I really enjoyed the move from Ricky travel 'cause I thought that was his best move in the game. Oviously I think it actually had some effect. If no one else thinks, I'm so I feel like that's the kind of less that Dominic a bunch. I would definitely value. I mean, he did something very similar, but also probably more impressive. Are you looking back at the ghost island? I wonder you know, if Dominic would have been the winner of the season instead of Wendell how that would have factored into all of this. If if Dominic would have been maybe either criticized in the way that Rick Devon's one, or if it would be Rick Devon's would be sort of more than that lineage. Donning goodbye was vulnerable at the final fake, which for a winner would be crazy at this point as I've said, and he goes through that in a really really interesting way. So if domonique had one you would kind of bucked the trend recently having to be immune to stay in the game. So he would be like the most old winter that we have. Well. Okay. All right thicky, hashtag figgy came to the defensive Rick Devon's she said internet, stop hating on Devon's. And how hard he is playing rigged. How what I see is someone. Staying up all day and night to find idols hours on hours and it paid off his game. Play is the best of the remaining players most deserving of the million in my opinion, fire emoji palm tree emoji. He was the twitted this week. I went to a profile. I noticed her pin. Tweet is about the Jeff on a situation using for meat you well, currently on currently the pin. Tweet is that past Rick Devon's tweet. Oh, well, so he finally changed it. But I don't think that you change it recently to the von a tweet. So I feel she'd probably added up over two years, and this is fine. What may change it? But that I am grateful like I would much problem. This was in Twee, but really figgy is. Standing in the lion's den taking on the haters. She said, I love you hall. But some of you are not respecting the players of. She puts it s in parentheses because you can't get with the theme this season. They have the opportunity to win their way back in the game. With a you like it or not it is what it is. Don't hate the player hate the theme. Fire emoji palm tree emoji. We do team. And what? I think I think her better point it was potentially about being the one out looking for the idols not that everyone else is not looking for the idols. I'm sure they are. We're only seeing you know, when something happens, we're not gonna just see random people looking around for the idol when we know that Devon's already has it because it doesn't really make for great TV. But look I mean finding an idol is is a skill. It isn't my favorite part of survivor. I prefer the strategic element of the game. But it is something that you can do in the game to help you win. I mean, you have to look at the constraints of the game. Rick Devon's is finding idols, and I think the other the other players should maybe be doing a better job telling him. But like, I believe Christian was the one who said it on the on his recap podcast. Devon's could see an idol of someone's tailing him. And then go back for it. Once he's not being watched. But I think that point is better than the, you know, you know, looking at the theme because I think, you know, people coming back into the game from extinction island is maybe it's a losing battle on Twitter. If you're. Talking about that. And while figgy was certainly getting some pushback almost two thousand likes for her. Tweet defending Rick Devon's. Yes, how many likes the devante tweet? Get. Go to go back that Jaffar popular guy on social media. These. So Hannah Shapiro. She had a very popular tweet herself this week. She tweeted me, Colin, I'm not overdramatic also me I shall read. This letter to myself in the middle of the sea with a picture of Chris Underwood and reading his letter which received over one thousand likes Hannah tweeted one thousand like so many people I'd like to thank survivor Chris for his amazing ability to walk through water without getting his letter, wet, whatever producer encouraged Chris to climate top cliff in the middle of the ocean. And you for liking it and at Jeff probes for his courage. And this is an amazing tweet. Also because I did feel like it was so funny that Christmas is in the middle of the ocean. Like I didn't play a game like doodoo you even play a good game. So like, that's that's what he keeps. Coming back to you like I just wanted to play puppy game. Like, let's let's go in levels. Let's start at the bottom of the ladder and work. Game. I play fine. Games us. Yeah. He could come back in when every challenge and win the game. And it's still not even close to a perfect game. He's he's in contention to come back. Yeah. It's like it's like what a pitcher gives up like twelve hits and seven runs, but it but his team happens to score it runs. It's not a win. But it's not a perfect game. Even close hold on that we have some breaking news. Don, don. We have a mention about Gavin on Twitter. Well, I'm Gavin. Yes. Okay. Gavin. That's on survivor. Yes. Bryce, Isaiah tweeted out. Okay. Okay. Okay. But again is it me or is Gavin in them shorts? Trying out for the hash tag twenty twenty Zadie calendar eyeballs laughing hashtag what you looking for hashtags edge of extinction. Hashtags survivor Rouge is looking for. And Aurora tweeted a picture of Tyler Oakley with pineapple says this feels so like sensual. Happening. Today. He has been mentioned I want to just okay, Alexis Maxwell also tweeted out a rebuttal to the hashtag figgy position. She said, I don't love it and say person gets the more than once just a personal viewer opinion. Shannon. Would you like to see an Alexis Maxwell rule instituted where an idol can only be played on a player one time per season. No that is not the way to solve this. I put that. That. I feel like Alexis Maxwell, she's kind of like tweeting, I guess into the void like this. You know that there are discussions going on. And it was just giving the cold takes without knowing the greater discussion that is going on. Second session. She listens to this every single week. Does she really I don't think? So. No if she does highlights. But anyway, I think it's I think it's it would be a bad rule. I think the way to fix this is just not to put as many idols in the game. Is there currently putting in? That's way to easy. If you find it you should be able to play it on whoever you want. They'll couldn't ten nullifies. They stop quitting idols in Jordan. Come on shouldn't stopping idols. I just think they too many too many too many Alexis Maxwell tank. Okay. Anyway, Jervis tweeted out at say jerve, if I wrote a letter to myself, it would've said if you're reading this that means you eft up survivor. Okay. Then the great pretty youtuber extraordinaire YouTube ING about all sorts of things about survivor and big brother in the amazing race. I watch those in my garage sometimes that he tweeted fun fact, Natalie white and goofy gal hold the record for surviving the most tribal councils in a single season at fifteen right now at Lally underscore, Alexandra is on track to break that record as she's currently at thirteen. If she reaches the final three, she will set a new record, Shannon. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that's massive. And I think it speaks to the fact that there are so many tribal council them so terrible. Yeah. Also pretty says that said if she reaches the final four she'll set the record for attending the most trouble councils in the single season. But if at Rick Devon's WG exa reaches the final three hill tie the record for most tribal councils attended unless he's next to Lauren history is getting made here history of getting made. It speaks to the influences podcast house my life that when I read that tweet. That's actually how I read it. Congratulations to Baylor Wilson who is engaged. Oh, can't -gratulations. Congratulations to Baylor. Shut your mouth g no. I will not who's going to just show up to her wedding. I don't know. The nobody should just show up. But only if you're invited to show up. Yeah. Very weird thing to do to wedding be very religio. Okay. Let's see. I've got a couple of other. Some news items. I don't know if I'd call this breaking news. But did you see that survivors Colby? Donaldson. It'll be hosting a brand new reality show. Shannon is busy hosting survival. I have happening know that he is going to be the host of a new show is Jordan. Do you know anything about this? Yeah. About stakes right? Okay. I was going to give you a quiz. Yes. The butcher. The name of the game. I'm sorry is the butcher. Yes. Is the butcher where I'm going to be similar to the show shop on the history channel and the butcher is going to have contestants of doing all sorts of meat base challenges. My. AT or is it like a meat like a meat cuter MEAT the show is literally called the Butch. No, yes. Yeah. I thought that's a viable would be the worst of me to ever go on. But as a vegetarian I feel like the Butcha would that sound like my actual night man to to me as to -tarian I saw this on Facebook somewhere. And I had actually I don't remember where where I did this Twitter Facebook. But it was the butcher with Kobe. Donaldson. I said the tagline of the show should be. I ain't nobody no porterhouse. Well, well done. This was the log line as told to reality blurred throughout history the skilled craft every this as Colby this'll be the opening of the show throughout history. The skilled craft of the butcher has been essential for human survival in early civilizations. When foodborne diseases were claiming lives, it was the butcher with their precise, tools and keen skills who warded off death. This virtual craftsman became a fixture in every town across America today. There are thousands of people who continue this noble tradition. But only a select few with the right expertise can be considered a Mestre pusher. And go. One way to chop me. And that's full tilt. I feel like this show is an affront to who. I am as a person. So to me. All right. The big survivor finale is coming up on Wednesday night. And the survivors say Facebook page decided to as a way to get the fans more involved with everything that was going on. They reached out to the viewers of survivor who are following the survivor Facebook page and ask them if they had any other questions that they would like to see asked of this cast on this Wednesday night's finale. How will we have time for that? Yeah. Well, what questions do we get into? We have fielded questions, and I have gone through and looked for questions submitted to the survivor Facebook page, the survivor Facebook page asked on may ninth have a quest. Question for one of the castaways. It's your time to shine common below for a chance to have your question answered on finale nights, no promises here. Jordan. But who who do you wanna ask you a question to? Okay. So I have a bunch of real ones and one and one fake one one fake one. Okay. So all right. Let's I guess let me give you all of them. And then I ask you both who where was the where was the fake one? You don't have to respond to every single every single one. Okay. All right, number one. A person wrote ream dot dot, Doug. How many many career souls? Have you crushed exclamation point question? Mark exclamation point question. Mark what am with doing on the day? Another person wrote Joe will you be in the next pirates of the Caribbean? Johnny Depp needs a replacement. Okay. And another person want wanted this question answered on the finale, it's toilet paper provided or do you? Bring your own. Okay. We have another another user wanted to know. My question is why do you keep bringing on these little crybabies? Good lord. Another person wanted to know, why do you always rush the endings Jenin? What does this mean? I think that comment. I guess what? They mean is that there's going to be a season or the episode? I mean. I mean, I would have to think the season right like, and that actually is a pretty good taste of the quake. Maybe that state. As the episodes arrived at the end. I think it's I think Shannon is right here. I think it's like the final the final episode of the seasons. Always like six people, which is always feels a little bit rush. Okay. Another person wanted to know OMG. How tall is Lauren question. Mark question. Mark. Next up another person wanted to ask ream if playboy magazine approached you for interviews slash pictorial. Would you entertain that? Bryce. Next up somebody asked Devon's do you see a career in the news industry after survivor? Pretty. It's just like a passionate news viewer. That's on the show that. It could also be the made up. Okay. Next up a person asked the lady who got out first period. Why bitter question Mark, do you think that's one of the reasons why you were voted out in the first place question? Mark. Dale is busy on Facebook page. Necessarily going after that. And finally, somebody asked Rick what the heck does lachey Serie me. Okay. All right shat. And do you have any thoughts on which which one of these was not a real comment left on the Facebook page and was actually one of Alexis Maxwell's tweets? Oh, okay. See I was I was waiting for the Gabon comment because I was going to say that would say. What would I feel like Alexis Maxwell being so unplugged from the community might off? Like, what was she the remains? So with that one. Okay. All right. These school is I was I thought that the toilet paper. One was going to be the fake one, but Alexis Maxwell's been on survivor. So I don't know why she would be asking that question. So that was the one that was in my head. However, I I'm not gonna ask you to read all of them. I guess I'm also go. It does pouring. If I go the cheese ary, let me go with the what was the Riemann? Ream, if playboy magazine approaches you for an interview slash pictorial. Would you entertain that? Yeah. I'll go a little less than Alexis vanished. Vantage thinking. Nope. That was something that was some some dude that was. A man. Yes. It was it was it was a guy. I won't I won't talks him. So. Oh, hell, no. Yes. Shannon. I'm sorry to say that you too. Yeah. That is not right. That was an actual question. The Alexis Maxwell tweet was OMG. How tall is Lauren? More central I answered si when before I realized that the fake one was in the license national treat. I thought it was a toilet paper one. Because I've I'm pretty sure I've heard you say this or other survivors of sadness. That's like a question that they get a lot after the common questions. So I thought that was real. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely would be definitely Israel. A real question. Okay. And I do have a Alexis Maxwell Gavin tweet for you. Okay. This is being combined into what she said. Do go Gavin. Dairy. So yes, that's more of a woo tweet than a Gavin. So maybe maybe maybe she knew it. Okay. All right. Let me take a moment. And thank a sponsor before we get into the this week in survivor history quiz coming up. And while we're talking about the survivors. Do they get toilet paper? Another common question is do you get a toothbrush and the answer to that? Sadly is no. But it doesn't have to be for you. Because the people over at quip are reminding you, hey, it's time for spring cleaning and quips got an easy way to start with your brushing habits. Just two minutes twice a day can help pave the way for a healthier mouth and mine and now you can get the whole family refreshed with quip with the new kids quick with the same two minute timer and guiding pulses of the original version with no childish gimmicks. 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I am ready to go. I have my categories. I'm not gonna go over the rules because Shannon gates been here before just in new rule that we've had since of course, you could use your Sirri fields or any of your voice able devices it has not gone to question. Right. The season. Apparently Kirk Clark said that on one of the questions that he was playing along at home. It actually did get it. Right. But it hasn't happened on the podcast not cannon. So is going to have that record. Happens. Yes season. I feel like the owner friends. I feel like every Archie has like a casual parent. I would love to see my tell your. Karen, casual. Maybe like I mean yesterday my dad when he was he was rooting Evans. And then I said. What did I say? So I would like to see if my dad could do better than Syria. I think about the Yankees third base. Coach just like that. There's a great read. The patriot Facebook group that I think it was maybe it was just a phrase who started about like interview your casual relatives about survivor and some some great takes. Yeah. I believe I posted in there. My my mom texted me before the season. We do a a survivor survivor pool every year where you get one person. If the person wins, you win the pool associate my mom, who's not not a casual she. She's watched every episode survivors, you listened to the podcast, but she was a little bit confused the beginning of the season because she told me that she had Malcolm in the pool and I texted Joe. And of course, it was Joe. Yeah. Okay. All right. Jordan, can you set up where we're right now. Yes, I'm gonna read you the four categories like I said not doing the rules. This time. The categories are non-transferable car curse. Hit me. With your best shot pet Benetton and wiggles. Go sleep book end. And Shannon has the guests. Get to choose. I. It pains me to say this because I hate it so much, but I think I feel like I could do game changes. So gimme non verbal. Okay. Non-transferable? We have of course are going to survivor game changers. The episode is parting is such sweet sorrow from may seventeen thousand seventeen two years ago. Friday after it was revealed that Sarah's votes seal was non transferrable when Sirri tried to use it on, Sarah. Who's vote did Sarah end up stealing at the final seven tribal council. I need to think about this. Because I was pretty sure I was yelling at the TV time. She so she stole Kayla Wenheuer and she still ties. Michaela went home. She did steal ties votes. Great start shot and you get two points there. And rob you get to choose the next category. High could you repeat the categories one more time. Sure, we have car curse hit me with your best shot. Pat, Benetton and wiggles ghostly book end how do wig lers go sleep book in? Okay. So we're going go to ghost island always be moving from may sixteenth two thousand eighteen one year ago Thursday. So we know that Wigley is go Ciro, but not including the trip that the final four mates ghost island in order for Dominic to choose the final tribal council voting who was the last person sent to ghost island and therefore got to play the final game of chance of the season at the final seven. Well, learning from my mistake last week when I went to the multiple choice and didn't try to make big moves ended up costing me the game because Liana never gave me a an inch to be able to. To make up any ground. So I'm gonna go ahead and give you my gut of who I think it is. And I'm gonna say it's sea bass sea bass, so Ciba's is correct. It's good. You went with your gut. You get two points. You remember what the advantage was? This is not not think he got the votes steel that Helen had. He got a an advantage from his own season. That was originally from another season. Yes. He did get that good job. You get two points there. And it is Shannon stern. Again. We have car curse. And we have hit me with your best shot pet Benetton. I feel like a okay, I'll go the Pete me with your best shot at that could be so cocky, and just try my hand Fiji. Okay. We're gonna go to Mark as though tale of two cities from they sixteenth two thousand to seventeen bad noise. Very that noise. Seventeen years ago this Thursday who on the car reward in marquesses taking home a Saturn VUE, which fun fact is a car formerly driven by your boy, these coolish your Saturn VUE. I had a Saturn. Vue? It was it was a two thousand five Saturn. Vue? I bought it like well after two thousand five okay we wanted to car. Well, when the car in marquesses, I'm guessing should know off the top of my head. I Sean wrecked up. Sean rector, you guys are going with their gut and your guts have been right? So far you get two points. Yes. Shahshad record rector wins the car and goes home in this episode. No that question the entire cast got the Saturn VUE at the reunion. Yes. But I don't think that. I don't know. I was in Boston. Rob saturn. Vue one time well, Robin. He's he's been attached to some people like amber who didn't have to win the Karsh, Allen's and still in the car. So I think the Carters only applies if you win car reward challenge, but Shannon, you have a four two lead. Rob we're going to the final question here. Hit me with your best shot pet Benetton, and we are going to survive token chiens one of my favorite episodes ever the Marta reproach from may fourteenth two thousand nine ten years ago Tuesday who sent coach to exile island leading to his legendary martyr approach seen. So I got I gotta keep this close. Think it's JT. Arrive. It is. So we are we are tied here for we are perfect through the multiple choice part of the game. Of course, we're now scaling people that are too good. I don't have any room for error. Well, it's it's not fun. No wiggle room. Nobler thought if I'm bringing people and you're just like destroying them every week. So this is getting the death match. Yeah. The death match game is called a one both or neither finale addition. This is a game. We have played before. I don't know if we've done it this season. But we've definitely done it in the past. I will make a statement relating to final tribal councils from this week in survivor history. You will then be given four potential options one season another season both of these seasons or neither of these seasons. You must answer based on if the statement applies to one of the specific seasons both or neither for example. If the statement was Richard hatch received the majority of the jury votes, and the choices were just Borneo just Guatemala both or neither the answer. Would obviously be just Borneo. However, if the statement was the person who won the season lost the final immunity challenge. The answer would be both for answers will be given during this round. And if you're incorrect, you may not anymore points unless we go to a tiebreaker. Therefore, if you're incorrect on your first response you up in the door for your opponent to gain three points. Okay. You guys get it. You guys get the game. Guess the seasons are. Yeah. I am going to I'm going to read you the statement. And then I'm going to tell you the seasons that apply to the specific. Statement that makes sense. Okay. Okay. So first of all I have six of these Shannon since we're tied. You're the guest you get to go. First pick a number from one through six. Okay. So we're gonna start with this one the winner received five jury votes and the second place player received two jury votes. Your options are exile island Qoraan, both or neither the winner received five jury votes. The second place player received two jury votes. I'm trying to think it's definitely what was it you if I may just interject here that too confusing. It should be the seasons should be the same every single round. And the facts should be different for each. The difficulty of the question is throwing the oilfield. This is interesting the two seasons that we have our exile island co wrong. So it's one of those both or neither I feel like this is just so hot under pressure before we started. This Jordan told me that I could be the only time usually he never one. I don't know. I'm great pressure is how many. Did get it wrong. The answer. Unfortunately is both exile islands was a five two vote. It was Bruce and Shane. It's driving. Forget it. Like, you need a pen and paper. Look, you guys you were just saying how strong the competitors. To play at home. I think they could play along at home. If they've memorized Wikipedia like me. But you're scared. You still have to get a question right here in order to win. And the question that we have the jury included at least one medevac player colourant token cheese token jeans, both or neither the jury included at least one medevac player, and what are the what are the seasons Qoraan token jeans, both or neither? I would say that they both have. The co ride Joe Dowdell was not on the jury in survival jokin jeans. He wasn't. Why seven person Jerry because he was in tenth place. It was a seven person jury of the final two. Okay. So you're both in you're still in it. And we go to Steven less theory to set, and I feel like I don't know how many people were on the season. So that'd be another person that wouldn't vote for him. Shame pussy so tough tough game. So far, you're doing. So this is exciting Shannon each player in the final three received. At least one voted final tribal between. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll really each player in the final three received at least one voted final tribal one world carry Mohan both or neither. Just one will one world is incorrect you'll see Meisner zero vote finalists the answer is either. So you're incorrect, you're still knowing right on this. And rob you could win it here. You could win it with a correct answer ties question. Okay. The second place player received. Exactly one jury vote redemption island Palau both or neither. One jury vote. I'll say it was both, dammit. So in redemption island file or Philip shepherd received one jury vote, of course from. Great Ralph Kaiser and infil Kobe art show was the one jury vote for Katie. So the answer is both. You are correct. And you win five to four and my God. What if my legacy, saliva trivial? It's all I have. And now, I'm the only two lose. I have read the letter that you wrote to yourself before you came on today. The lead of telling me that I can't do this. I thought and I'm the worst. Wanna hit for myself? Not a loser. It was very very confusing. Final round chatting around it. But I will say I do tests these questions on people. And and I will and there were not saying that you guys did badly. But the people I tested on. Maybe maybe if you work answers. Okay. May maybe the listeners feel differently. But I, but I do feel like that. There should be one in writing these questions. I think six questions about two seasons. That's that's not easy to do. I have to find all these these different things that distinguish like I think that it should be okay here. These seasons is one one or both or neither about these. And then the fact is the only thing that changes not the seasons. Also. Oh, look into that for few futures. Listeners like, hey, Bob. This is perfect. I think I think it's going to be split. I think that some of those will be confused young. So we'll enjoy look at the loser. I do think it was it was it was fine. I think that if I was bawling her it would have been fine. I think the pressure to me, and I think I reserve the right to all my dad in off the if the votes would five to two in Panama. I didn't on either like on the answer to this question. My dad would have been like animal. Are we all right to one in four chance of being right, Shannon? Who's going to be the winner of the season on Wednesday. Gavin Gavin, Rick. Rick Devon Brickley ovens, okay is going to be in attendance on Wednesday night. And we'll she award a player. The check. Yeah. You want something because I'm the stray, and like, I should know all astray, and yes, even know see it was trillion. Yeah. Well, I think that that will happen is they'll crown the winna after the longest finale of all time. I mean, they have so many jury questions to get through and it's facing questions anymore. The whole tribal council would just be rating. That's one thing about the new find a tribal then there will be time for five minutes over union and four but will be given to see that's what I think four. And it will present the check too big Wendy to Rick Devon's. Okay. The tornado who who we look ahead on this. Let's see. Should look ahead on this before they go on the show. No. Davey Davey situation where she gives the money, but isn't actually at the reunion. Okay. So upcoming SIA concerts is on towards the upcoming concerts are Friday Friday, June July twenty six to Friday, July twenty eighth. So it does not seem as though there is anything imminent in terms of SIA concert dates just text and the threat that all straddling have and be like THEO where you at this day. Yes. Find out about Bali. It's okay. So potentially see is in the mix and so much still to do for Wednesday nights. Any other predictions are then you want to throw out there. Shannon. I feel I I I don't know. I'm just reading this letter to myself just so mean. Improve myself right life, couldn't do this. Or do you have any predictions for Wednesday night? Older matured Taylor's wins. Okay. Who's in the final three with them? Final three is going to be Rick Devon's. June ward off and yes, not word. I don't I don't think I would like I mean, that'd be fun four times in the final three. But I don't think that's going to have your voice that was not good. It was thought it was Tony. Somewhere voice. I mean, Dev Devon's Julie. And and Lauren. Okay. Devin. Devon's Julie Lauren, and then some form of Gavin, Victoria and education going right for as they go back in that would be my critic Chuck for Wednesday night, that's the conventional wisdom, but look it'll be exciting. If anything breaks from form. I I I like redemption on the fan of his I mean, I've been on record here saying that I think that strategically, Victoria. I believe is playing the best game. She's been in on every single vote. Even though I think that not getting rid of Lauren here was potentially a mistake. I edit wise, it's hard to see because if you know someone who has been in every vote and isn't necessarily featured in most of these episodes is sort of in a subtle character more than a big character like Rick. I think it's it's gonna be it's tough for me to see to see that happening. But if she does, congratulations. I think she's a she's played a fantastic strategic game. I think Rick Evans has been the most entertaining character. And I'm rooting for him. Okay. All right. So Shannon gates is going to be kicking off the coverage of survivor, South Africa. The preview podcast is up with Liana Boris. And then with Mike bloom is going to be back for the week one recap. Yeah. I mean, you my like the fact that he missed a preview of I think it's killing him. I mean, he had a week ago and still life. Look, I don't know if I can preview Twenty-one contestants. Andrew the amazing race and do the white smells in one week one week off. One child. I was like Mike that that's fine. That's really fun. But he is going to be back all week one. And then all seventeen weeks after that. So we'll be having fun. All right. So beyond the look for that follow at Shannon gates on Twitter and Shannon, ten out of ten Twitter handle. Thank you so much. I have to confess like it's really been stressing me out. I mean, I'm getting married at the end of the I'll be changing my low, and I yeah. And that all the at China, and Gus is which is what I would be China Gus station. I'm so sorry about this. I might just won't change my name on honestly, just for your approval. Shredded you what's right for you? Don't worry about me. Okay. Well, my views. We'll maybe what I'll do is find get everyone. Mass report at Shannon. Gus and just try take handle just stick with Shannon gates. I don't know. It's really hot very sneaky should doing. Let's do it. Maybe you should just ask nicely because she hasn't ages. Like mass wedding was where I was going. Unfortunately, survivor, Shannon is already taken by somebody. Maybe get like what if we're able to get like the at at Shannon gusts to like getting some sort of feud with the at war dog and like they get in trouble. I feel like there's some way we could get both for dog and ultrasound and gusts these have you considered I m the Shannon Gus. I am the Shannon gust. Okay, Twitter, who's who's the most recent survivor you in Twitter, we've already out the. You know, honestly loss. That I followed and I didn't check because I was waiting for the next time. I was on this put cost really interesting. I'm strolling down. I'm scrolling down right now. Oh boy. The answer to the most recent was Kobe was. Coby archer. Let's see like I just saw him. And then he followed me anyway. I'm still scribbling. You don't many people you only six hundred something people. I guess, but people need to know this. This is very important information. How last time you were here. It wasn't. Maybe did you? Did you come onto four nicotine's? I don't think. No. It was a thing. You just didn't ask me oversight. I've never felt more bad in my life about anything. It was rob sprouts. Throb? Second. Yes. Like milk Mokoko because I know that I it was around Cairo. And but rob I mean, I fully before mountain climbing. This is the first person you ever followed on Twitter, followed by Malcolm, untailored, swift. And then Cochran, yes, that's the way it should be. It should be the big four. That actually who I am. And just shows the long game, I've been planning to be on this podcast to talk about all look so excited, Shannon that last summer was the summer of Shannon and looks like it's going to be another repeat between all of the international survivor coverage. So we're very excited. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, I'm so excited. Getting to do this is the most fun. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 13 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 13 Recap

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Through the site within the first day, and believe me their resumes are going to be better than a lot of people who end up in the survivor final three. So right now, our listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free with this exclusive web address, ZipRecruiter dot com slash survive. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash survive. S U R V I V, ZipRecruiter dot com slash survive. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way the higher. Guys. Break it down. Guy. Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all. Yes. That is a right survivor know, it alls are back again, Stephen fishbach. Well, another great week for me. Rob last week. You were like it's going to be Julie going home and really gratified that that was your prediction. Why did you predict the roar was going to go home? I said not Julie. I said why would they take out? There's no reason. Okay. Well, you you nailed it again, just like when you predicted all the people that made the flip against Eric would be done and out of the game for making a terrible move. And none of them are still in the game heading into this is five. This is my best consistently best season. This might be. I mean like pull Costanza just like walkaway after this season. It's like this might be it for me. Well, let's let's hope not let's keep our fingers crossed that you reconsider. Anyway, super fun episode. Well, go ahead. What what welcome to the survivor know, it all everybody seconds in even push back is gloating about to start the gloating open remembered, I remembered it I I've been I've been waiting all week for this. Come up. Yes. Okay. Well, it can gra-. Congratulations. Is that? How you hurt your shoulder in the first place? That was really good. That was great Steven his out of the slaying for anybody who is. Listening on the podcast in not watching the video version still suffering though. I don't want to stop. Yes. He wanted to avoid any Kaiser so say comparisons. Unlike Rick Devon's. Yeah. That's exactly right. So so you're fire. That was another great one. Thank you. Steven welcome to welcome to the show privileged privileged tonight ear hashtag RHA. We'll get your questions in Stephen. I'm very pumped up because tomorrow night or tomorrow afternoon. I am going to be talking with the one only Christian Hubin on the file recap episode of the season. That's amazing. That's that's that's really that's really exciting. I'm looking forward to listening to that really pumped up, and I've cleared my entire afternoons talk to Christian so excited about that one. So if you wanna Email questions in survivor at rob has a website dot com or that and then going to catch up with new dad. Mike bloom over the weekend on the spy feedback show, and that's a tradition. Mike bloom on the final feedback show. Shannon gates going to be on this week in survivor as well. Talking with myself in Jordan Kayla's, we start to look ahead beyond survive. With the extinction to survivor South Africa, which is coming back this week, so exciting survivor going into the summer, Stephen fish back. Yeah. That that is really exciting people. Love the Lao the last of our South Africa. So the next one will could be good too. All right. So excited to get into this night of survivor where seemingly Rick Devon's has done it again. Well, he certainly lasted another week. You know, he's he was target number one. He managed to not just win the immunity challenge. But he founded immunity idol. I think it probably looked to the jury like he really influenced that vote, although my perspective is that they probably were planning to vote Aurora already when they walk into the tribal councils, I agree. And I think that look Rick Devon's is going to do what Rick Devon's does. But plays in the game are making a lot of mistakes around Rick Devon's. Well, tell me why why think because I actually think they're playing a decent. I mean, other than not shadowing him twenty four seven, which is certainly a mistake. I kind of think they're playing decent enough game. So I want to hear what your perspective is. Well, I think that what they do in for the second weekend row. I agree with you. I think that Rick Devon's had very not a ton to do with what ended up happening at this tribal council. And again, I know we're seeing the edited version of the TV show, but they really make the case to the jury about how how. Great. Rick Devon's is what a thorn Rick Devon's is in their side. And how boy we just can't stop. Rick Devon's Rick Devon's is the greatest thing since sliced bread. And there's so much talk about how it's almost feels like that they are making the case not for any of their own cases with the jury that seemingly all they do is talk about how great Rick Devon's isn't how they can't stop him. Well, I would be nervous in this situation about being the one to to make a case about how how great my game was in front of the jury because it sure seems like every single week the biggest target other than Rick Devon's gets wiped out. And I wouldn't wanna be that person. You know, I would wait until I get to the jury to make the case why deserve the money to the jury. I hear you about like pumping up rake from my perspective and probably from their perspectives. Rick is winning. If he gets to the end, you know, the jury is visibly one hundred fifty five thousand percent agree. Rick Devon's is winning. If he gets to the end. So why not play into? It's not. I don't think they that. He'll he'll win more because the jury is cheering him, right? Because the players are are acknowledging what everyone out there already knows. And so why not play into that? Why not talk about that? And even use that focus on Rick as a way to disguise what their other plan was which was a blindsided and Aurora aligns agree with blindsiding Aurora. I don't understand why that for Gavin Indyk Torey. Okay. So we understand why Julie wants to keep Lauren in the game. And so I mean Lauren wants to keep in the game and vice versa. So that Julie wants wants to keep Loren Loren feels good about keeping Julian the game and the two of them they have this working relationship that we saw from a couple of weeks ago when they went on the reward with Devon's and war dog. But at the point where then Lauren comes to Gavin and says, hey what? If we vote out Aurora, and then there's well, let me see what Victoria thinks about this. And Victoria is not she does not love this idea. But I think that Victoria capitulated this week to the demands to be in the numbers which we've applauded her for all season. I think the move was they coulda done a three to one out Lauren at this tribal council and kept Aurora in the game. Take out Lauren who for whatever reason felt like she wanted to keep Julie in the game. That'd be a red flag to me. Why does she want? Julia around. And now, let's vote out larent- at this. Trouble council will blindside her and they'd be blindsiding her with an idol as well. And you keep Aurora in the game to potentially be another person who can stop Rick Devon's from winning immunity. Yeah. I do think that Aurora is more of a consistent challenge competitor, someone who can stop Devon. So I agree with that general. Thinking that Aurora a good force. I think when it comes down to like, and I also thought what I saw that scene with Gavin in Victoria, that there was a really strong chance that they were going to flip the vote onto onto Lorant. But like the question of whether to focus on devote Lorne or vote out Aurora seems to me like splitting hairs to a certain degree. And it really is going to be dependent on what the people on the island actually, think a couch. They trust that person. And what they realistically think that person's winner chances. So I also feel like voting out Lauren would have been another thing that you could say to the jury like Rick is never even in the loop on these plans now that this was a case where unlike last week where. Yeah, he played his idol and got run out, but he had voted for a Rura. Now, he in this tribal council he voted for a Roth IRA, and he can now talk about this. As one of his moves that he got Aurora out of the game. And she's talking about, you know, go after Rick Devon's again. Then the person the in the room who's talking about. I gotta go after Rick Devon's ends up leaving for ad from that tribal council for the second time in a row. And I think that if they would've taken out Laren again Rickwood ahead egg on his face in terms of that the person that he was gunning for didn't go home. She stayed in the game. And they have this still this three two advantage. And you have a Rohrer who's gunning for Rick. And maybe they're looking at a roar. Oh, she'd be tougher to beat in the end, then Lauren, but I tell you who's going to be the toughest to beat in the end Rick Devon's well, but again like that's why I think like you're saying, oh, they should try to like putting on his face by having him vote for the wrong person. Rick is almost always voted for the wrong person. And the jury is cheering for him. He is the favorite to win. I don't think that like making a strategic decision in order to try to like either increase or decrease Rix chances to win is a useful criterion. Because it's. That's a position he has. And the only way those guys are winning as if he's eliminated. So I think like trying to like you strap to make your other voting decisions based around either like up based on like minimizing his visibility to the jury. I don't think that's a great way of framing. Now. I do think. That Aurora keep the idea of keeping Aurora because she's likely to win an immunity challenge. Over Lauren who? Pretty athletic. But it's not, you know, hasn't really competed as consistently as Rohrer has right. The distance and the challenge when she passed out other than that, she has not been a factor in any of the immune challenges. Right. So I would imagine wanting to keep Aurora around as well. Although they also just saw that Rick has an idol. So it's like, they know he's immune to the next one. I mean, I think they just have to be like hoping and praying that there's just a challenge. Keeping a roar around to beat Rick would is probably the sensible move. But so when just between Aurora, and Julie, I think like definitely vote out Aurora over over Julie. But when it's about Aurora versus Lauren the question, then becomes like comme safely. Get the numbers in a way. They trust Lauren. That's the other thing they like trust Lauren more than a Rura because Aurora has been with them. She hates Rick Devon's. She has no love loss with Julie. It seems like that Aurora has nobody else except for Gavin in Victoria. We totally right. I agree with that. I mean in theory, but that's like sort of like very like blunt way of analyzing like friendship, right? Like, also if you look at these people's ages, all younger, right? This is a group of people that like the Victoria Gavin and Lauren they're all in their early twenties. Roars a little bit older than them or has consistently been more of an outsider from them. Right. Even in the very early days of Kama Aurora was distant from that group. So. Yes, they have history together that doesn't mean they have like like friendship together. And it does seem like Lauren has more like naturally vibe with Gavin VIP than Aurora's. I don't think anything from Lauren either who I think that I have been very slow to arrive on the season. But I think that she's sort of coming into her own. And I think that she has a really good social game. She still has the idol I liked when she called out Rick Devon's about that. She knew that he was lying about where the immunity idol at come from. I like that. She's got this thing going on with Julie that's under the radar, and I feel like that. If if it's not Rick I see her as the person who might be second most likely to win this season at this point. Yeah. I mean, she has to your point like take Lorna. She is a great story to right. She's the last. Who standing she like crazy underdog tribe came back from behind numerous times, both as the tribe, and then post merge, she was able to and then for her to make it to the end while the comet tribe is is voting each other out. I think it would be amazing. And I agree. Great move from her today. The who does who does tonight's move benefit the most other than Julie, and Rick, of course, Lauren right because. Is not voting is yourself voted out. She gets to keep her ally. Julie and she gets to eliminate a potential physical threat Aurora. So I thought this was this was a great night for Lord. I mean, she could potentially vote with Rick and Juliet the next vote and vote out even Gavin, Victoria, if she chooses. Yeah, if Rick were to play an idol, and or to win immunity that actually might be a sensible move for. I can't also speak to what a huge night. This was for Rick Devon's where coming into this episode. I felt like Rick looks good intern. We're seeing so much of him. It feels like that. Maybe he's the person who's going to be the winner this thing. But I don't know how he gets there. But tonight, if find it idle and win immunity and not have to use the idol that he has ensured himself at least safety in on tonight's vote. And then one more vote passed this which will be when somebody comes back into. The game. So that he'll be safe now at the final six now he just needs to get through than the final five. And so his idol is going to be used. He can still use this Eitel at one of these next two tribal councils, so if he can win one immunity at one of these next two tribal councils, and he's in the fire making. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's crazy. Like, he's and the other thing is that this person whoever is coming back from edge of extinction is also going to be a giant threat. And so that's another question to you take out the person who has come back from edge of extinction. I and presumably it's going to be someone who's decently physical from the brief brief shots. They showed of the challenge next week. It looks like it's gonna be a brutal intense challenge Plato Joe comes back. Joe's value the final six now. What? Yeah. I don't know. Do you go for you? Go for Rick. I would think whoever doesn't unity, right? He. That's it. Let's say they both don't have immunity who do you go situation now. But you know, that Devon's has an idol. So we'll take the idol out of the equation. Just like I'm just saying like who is the bigger jury threat at that pointing that Rick Devon's is a bigger threat than Joe who's done absolutely nothing in this entire season. This whole second half of the merge has been Rick Devon's Rick Devon's a, you know, stand up our for everyone of these tribal councils. Yeah, exactly, I agree. I think that Rick is I always assumed that the edge of extinction player would be the biggest threat coming back. But whoever that is actually going to be greatly helped by the fact that Rick Devon's has become such an enormous threat. And like, I just assume that this at the final six like, and then you know, they would be like, okay, I was trying to get at the edge player. And if that didn't work at the final five at the edge player, but this is like the Rick Devon store is such great news for that person. Because they. Yeah. They only need to survive one tribal council because Rick is. Or that? Rick doesn't get eliminated. Yeah. What about Rick Devon's bluff that he was going to save Julie at this? Trouble council by playing the idol on her Stephen did you think that at any point that that was going to happen? No. I don't think anyone did. And they every single person there. It was like, obviously, he's not gonna do that. That said if they hadn't walked in with the plan to vote out Aurora, anyway, which were assuming that they did it might have caused them to panic a little bit like, you know, part of the reason that they were so chill. There was all the more reason to vote out Lauren or Aurora still right or we why I agree with you. But like they would have would have been an opportunity for them to all turn on each other. But they were not phased because it didn't actually affect their plans. But it's another one of these situations where just like last week, Rick Devon's pomp and circumstance at tribal council, even though it had no bearing on the actual vote to the people that are on the jury. The people that are watching this magic show week after week. It's like, wow, Rick Devon's did it again. Wow. Can't believe it. Rick. Devon's got this. He saved Julie. With that amazing bluff and Aurora got up like can't believe you guys fell for reverse psychology oldest trick in the book, and it all just plays into Rick Devon's hand. Don't you think though, they go back and are like like you've got nothing to do on the edge. All you're doing is talking about the last tribal council. You saw go back in like someone is like I mean, there's no way they didn't walk. There's no way he convinced that like. They know these is like, no, I'm telling you everybody was we were voting out. Julie. That was the plan. They told me all day that was the plan. Like, are you sure? Yeah. I know you're talking about. Yeah. You never know when you're blindsided. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I would necessarily believe someone who is cited. But but I mean, look there's no question that Rick Rick theater at tribal council has really uptake his up just position in the game. And it's been great. It's been so fun to watch. If he wasn't. So obviously the single biggest target. You might even think it was. You know too much was dangerous because because he would be making himself and even bigger threat. But at this point like just as I don't think they should be trying to minimize risk threat. Like Rick has nothing to lose by playing it up. He's he's target number one. Anyway. Yeah. And another thing that I feel like is a criticism of the other people that are in the game, isn't that? I was critical of Ron about last week. But in hindsight that I think that they have not done much at all to make Rick Devon's the least bit comfortable that they have made no secret about they're all going for Rick. Everybody's coming for the the vote is Rick no matter what unless he finds an idol. So he has every incentive in the world to go out there and be looking for the advantage from every waking second of the day, and it didn't seem until like late in the game. Maybe like right before tribal council. Did we see Gav? Kevin following Rick Devon's around at least when Ron Clark gave the advantage menu to Rick Devon's that was his way of at least like, hey, calm down there. Boy, you're fine. Like no need to. And he still was out looking for. But there's been no sense of all they do is make Rick Devon's more on edge and more needing to have the urgency of finding the idol. Yeah. I agree with that. I wonder about it. You know, like, let's say, let's agree. They could at least engage in some type of speculative scheming with with Rick the damn the only danger there is that maybe you marginally make Rick feel safer, but you make your other allies feel a lot less safe. When they see you over there. Chatting with Rick Devon's like, what's he talking about? What's talking with Rick like why why she over there? And then like, you know, then maybe you are more likely to be the the boot from your. When when Rick is safe, but I agree. There's they really in a bad job of even pretending to include Rick, but it's very similar to with Ben where if there's one person who has sort of had a knack for finding all these idols and advantages, and they know their number is up unless they are the person who finds it that I think you gotta try to figure out some way to sort of put them at ease a little bit. And it backfired in survivor h h h where that Dr Mike and Chrissy said, hey, why don't we give bene- fake idol? So then he can or what are they gave it to him or no credit? They came back in Christie said she had the idol and then try to make Ben not look for as much. But I think that you could try to make him a little more comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. Or even just engage him and something that occupies attention. So he can't just be out there looking all the time. But Rick Devon's what a joke. Stor. What a prankster Stephen. He's so much Rik. Devon's is such a prankster. They're saying that he's actually the person who put the Starbucks Cup on the set of game of thrones. I was Rick. Wow. That's quite a prank. He was very funny that he like hiding on people. Like, Joe if that's not jumping out that he already has the idol. I don't know. What is that's presumably one small part of a long day? I don't know. I actually really liked that like the other contestants have done that too. When you've got like pretend to keep looking. So that they don't know you have the idol. So so I I think that's that's smart. You're sort of you know, as as lackadaisical as we're seeing the other players are being Rick is really doing all the right things. Okay. Stephen, do you think the person that comes back from the edge of extinction? Will they be likely to vote with Rick and Juliet the next travel council that was a really savvy move on Rick's part to mention that. Hey, when you come back that it's not going to be four to it might be three three where the person coming back from the edge could be voting with us. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I think that's great to like like a welcome. He's like he's really good at communicating with the jury and it's a skill. That's you know, he might even be too good where where for this jury. It seems to be really working. They're loving him. They're they're very visibly cheering him on. I know that some people on juries newsman. Yeah. But some people don't like it some people feel like don't like on the contest. Pander to them. I've always felt like it's like a necessary skill for players. But but yet what a great move of extending the offer of an alliance the returning player before that players, even returned that was brilliant. Yeah. But if you are that player. Devon's is still your biggest threat. Yep. It's interesting. I really comes down to how confident are you in being able to make the fire because if I know if I'm David Wright and David Ryan is famously he can make the fire as good as anybody. And this is when you say, well, I'll just like he knows how to do a puzzle as good as anybody. But no, no, no, no, no. I my all the puzzles you argued that like because David practice. He was there for good fact this making fire to do that. Information. But if you're confident about your fire making ability, I think you'd say I'll go to the final four with anybody. So sure I'll take the easy vote vote out. Rick vote out Julie. And then let me just get into that fire making competition. I don't know. I think the danger of that strategy. Oh, right. Yeah. That's what I would do. I mean, even if you're not only because I would keep Julie you keep Julia around. Right. Like, why would you Julie? Well, if you just want to get it to an easy vote, if you'd go with Gavin, and and if Gavin and Lauren and Victoria want to be the final three would you just cast your vote with them to knock knockout Devon's and Julie I would be shocked if Gavin Victoria, and Lauren or whomever voted for voted out. Julia five like they will. They also will recognize that. She is not the biggest you know, that she's not the biggest at that point. And no one is making the decision out of alliance. Loyalty at the final four or five they're making season based on like what is going to maximize their chance of winning and especially this group like every single week. This group makes the decision that's based on getting rid of the biggest threat. There's no way that they're gonna make that their choice is going to be like, well, the three of us have been together for a week ago. Go along with them for the easy voted six. And I figure you have to win an immunity at five to get the fire making it for. Yeah. I mean, I think no one right? Yeah. I think that's that's right. I think he's Yvo being Devon's Devon's or Julie, whoever is whoever is without immunity. I do not think they're gonna vote out. Julia at this point in Devon dozen idle so and he's demonstrated that he has an idol, right. Although they don't even necessarily know that that's an idol, right? Because they clearly things that looked like advantages aren't always advantages. But yeah, I think that there's the danger that that is that group is going to have to turn on each other Deva's Neidl. Let's say those. The Gavin Lauren inventory. Why do they turn each other? Because if Devon's Neidl why on earth, they vote actually doesn't make sense to me at all. They're gonna have to. I mean, I guess unless why wouldn't they vote out Julian nets scenario vote vote with the edge of extinction person in knockout, Juliet six. You're saying somebody out your assuming that the edge of extinction person wins unity, right? I guess if it was a case where the edge of extinction person and Julie were both ope. Ope available to vote for you could take out the edge of extinction person. If that's me, the final six, and I have the edge of extinction person could vote with Julie and with Devon's, and then you end up going to rocks there at three three at six. So I'm saying that the edge of extinction person, you would need to curry them to your side to get through the potential rock-drawings six. Wait say that again for the threat. I need I need puppets. We're the puppets. Rob. All right. Which was. Okay. So Gavin, Victoria and ju- Lauren there three, okay? That Devon's Julie and the edge of extinction person could be three and force a rock draw. If they don't bring the edge of extinction person to their side at the final six what? Yes. I I don't understand why the group of why would the group of Gavin? I really believe that at the final the next week that people are going to be not be voting based on pre existing alliances which have been very short term, but they will be voting based on who who is the biggest threat that is vulnerable to vote out. But let's let's so why would. If either so that will either be the edge of extinction person or it will be like, let's Rick has idle. Okay. The extinction will either win unity or they will be voted out. And then if the extinction person wins immunity than one of that, they're not gonna vote out. Julie like like why on earth? Would you do that at the final sakes? You would vote the that group of Gavin, Victoria, and unlearn what they would vote out one of each other. So you don't think that that Devon's Julie and the edge of extinction person could could so Gavin, Victoria, or Lauren would not go to rocks for each other. They would they would flip. It was a three time. Oh, yeah. Final six. Why would why would Lauren go to rocks to protect Gavin? She's not when we classics survivor scenario of and maybe the final four fire making changes the dynamic of this. But this is survivor blood vs water. This is Tyson going going to rocks at the final six because then the the final six the final three could potentially be Devon's and the edge of extinction person and Julie well couple of things first of all I agree that the final four totally changes that because you don't have to have this tight alliance protecting you all the way, and you just have to get to that four. And then basically, no one is protecting you at all the other thing is that season. You're talking about a group of three that had been together. Certain. Ties insurers have been from the very beginning. Monica was a more a more. Recent addition three three vets and three new players. These are people who are longstanding alliances going tiptop toes against each other. But in this case, there are no longstanding alliances the people who've been together, the longest Devon's and Lorant, right? They're not obviously not putting together the alliance between Lauren and Gavin in Victoria. I think started last episode, right? So it's like, they're not. They don't have a reason to protect each other. If I'm, you know, Gavin, I'm selling Lauren out as hard as I can't. We should go tonight. I know exactly. All right Seeven. We got to see the edge of extinction people. They're getting ready to come back into the game. And they got a first in history that they got to receive letters from themselves who else do you want to hear from on all of narcissists, right people? We love most ourselves. I really hit that do a double take. Guys. Great news, gather your loved ones letters from ourselves. What was amazing was that? Like they soak clearly thought this was their moment to get back into the game. Like, oh my God. It's here what's happening today. And they're like, oh, here's a piece of parchment that you wrote to yourself three weeks ago. I got a million letters to myself. Yeah. What a luxury what Alexa? I certainly got letters to myself from a couple of weeks ago. Wow. Stephen did you get pumped up by the survivors reading their letters to self. It was interesting to see what they said to themselves. You know, it's like more like an insight. I didn't find a particularly emotional those like an interesting insight into how those people self define as what their what their challenges my note, the self would have been rob don't forget to not LUSA -vivor this time. Every like, you don't get voted out that rob be sort of work a pen or impersonation or a Boston rob impersonation into every three days Eichel. Yes. Wilson. Okay. Letters to the new do you think that we will see that? Like, all right. You guys are playing for a war d-, you're gonna get your letters yourself. Yourself. Me that I remember where I was at on day one. Yeah. It is kind of cool though. I mean, it was kind of a letter love on. They're all very emotional. It was kind of interesting to see what they had told themselves. You know, you're you're a little bit delusional before survivor and as much as you think. You think you could win and for most people just doesn't happen. No sign of Ron Clark on the edge of extinction tonight. Right. It's a good point. And even think about that a lot at tribal council. Very expressive guy. Ron clark. Yeah. Yeah. He seemed to be nowhere to be seen on the edge of extinction. He maybe he went off in private to read his letter. Yeah. Who knows also he saw his loved one. So maybe they would have given them a letter. I don't know. I tweeted this out Stephen tough break for Aurora to make it so close to just be a one vote cast matters for. Must out on that. True. Twist of all I'm so sorry. I missed that tweet. That's hilarious. I got a lot alive to see your reaction. Yeah. I was a joy to hear. Hear your words. Okay. Stephen I thought that ream really summed up the season tonight in her final words of the episode. And when Aurora was talking about it. And I forget exactly what ROY was asking about and Rima's like look it's been a really long thirty effing days. As amazing. That's amazing. They've really nailed the remote. Like, our like our moment of reim-. I so much to do a compilation of all of those moments thing and truer words were never spoken rain. Okay. See we're gonna get to the questions. Don't forget. We're going to be live on fan credit right after the episode. So when we wrap up here, you're going to want to jump on the band credit app where you can ask Stephen fish back in. I your questions. 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We'll be like, hey, those three are a tight pair Goto rocks with us, and you have to I think that then they can hope that that group will cave, and whoever they put the votes on will then you know, the Gavin in Victoria will say flip on Lorraine or whoever. Yeah. I just think that that those three are going to crumble, so maybe like Gavin, Victoria, some loyalty, I really think those three are gonna crumble fast. It's interesting that you that you think they're loyal to each other. But I look forward to next week. Okay. All right. Well, too bad. I won't be here because oh, no Stephen hobnobbing with the literaty obvious. All the things you want to gloat about it. We do show guy that's going to be as long as a letter to myself. That's going to be like a four page letter next week. I will be at the -vivor epic stink tion finale. We'll get interviews with the final six whoever. They'll let me talk to on the red carpet after the episode and have those interviews for you. But Stephen we'll be back here live for a special treat where he will talk with unrenewable at all Hannah Shapiro. She fits the Bill hana's like I love Hannah. Like she night text like relatively frequently. I think this will be the first time though, we actually have a conversation like in person conversation. Yes. Okay. We're excited about it. It will be a must see must listen to know it live after the episode coming up on the Nellie night. And then I will have the post season or the post show interviews with the finalists the final six lie or not live. But I. We will be recorded and uploaded later on Wednesday night. And I'll talk to Josh wake ler after the entire run on Thursday of next week. All right. Well, let's bring in some questions, sir with Cade Cade wants to know will the person who returns from the edge of extinction. Be a bigger target than Rick Devon's at at the next council. Okay. Let's say both both are on a new Stephen still Devon's still Devon's. Okay. I agree still though. Although let me say like what if both are Unamune, but you've got like a challenge beast like Joe. And you think like well Joe is likelier to win the next challenge. Then Ricky's do you? Then in that, case takeout Joe now. I guess so Devon's and Joe were both. They're both are. I mean, I feel like that Devon's has proven that he can win as more challenges than than Joe the season. He's hotter. Joe? I don't know what kind of shape he's in. He didn't write in this immunity challenge. So I think he's gonna take out Evans. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's an interesting question. Okay. All right. Jake Clarkson wants to know Aurora think that Devon's convinced them to flip on her. Yes, they were clearly doing that. From the beginning. It seems to me Gavin Victorian Lauren lucked out to get the cover story today. Luck out or does that hurt them? Did Gavin Batory and Lauren luck out. Now. I don't think that they got lucky. I mean, I think that they ended up switching things up. I just think that this was a case tonight of they went along with the numbers. And I think they were playing scared Stephen. I dunno macario. Yeah. I dunno. I thought this was not a terrible. I yeah. It's a good move for Lorne. The one thing I will say is that some people thought that they should stand up and be like actually voting for Aurora anyway. And we were all and I don't think that's a great move. Because then in the off chance that Aurora has an idol, which you're always worried about then she's definitely playing right? So I think that you never want to announce your intended target at tribal council, especially when it's blindside we know that Aurora doesn't have an idol, but she's she's had stuff. And they don't know you just never you just never know for. Sure, Laura was who who gets credit for that move. Rick or the? Field. I just wonder if Rick does go on to win this season, and sort of in the same way that you know, Ben was criticized for that. He was not in the loop fans all the idols. I wonder if we'll we'll see either in this season's final travel council or in a future seasons. Final travel council. Somebody put like a finer point on it sort of like the same kind of critique that you might read about Rick Devon say on the survivor read it where make may lay up the case like all he did was finding immunity and then make these speeches at these tribal councils he was not in control of the game that he did not decide who went home. He just simply advanced each round. He could say to counter that like that's the name of the game that I played. End. But but I don't think that we've seen a pointed critique of that style of play. Yeah. It's really true. I mean, maybe to a certain extent we saw with Chris versus Ben where did sort of like become kind of the central issue. But. It's really it would be really interesting. I mean, the challenges like who left can be like, I was the mastermind, you know, if it was like war dog versus versus. I mean, obviously, I think Victoria was the mastermind is is the mastermind, but she's not like been driving vote. She's sort of dodging. Well, that's the thing. Like who? Who there could? I mean, maybe Lauren, I guess is what you're saying. But who there could say I Rick is a flashy player, but I have been controlling the strategy of the season as long as Rick has been playing idols. I don't think there's anyone left who can do that. But especially these last couple of votes have not been his design in any way, shape or form. And the jury is looking at him like, oh my God, Rick Devon's. But they also haven't been anyone person's any any person left's design, right? I mean, certainly like the Ron Clark decision was was that trio of Lauren Gavin and Victoria. But before that, you know, it was right? You know, who who was responsible for taking dog? And then we're dog before that or was responsible for taking out Wentworth. Was for taking David. So it really felt like, you know, feels like it would be tough for any person that is left in the game to make the case that they had this giant like amount of control over the whole season. Do you think that the skill set of what makes a survivor winner has changed where is the strategy less important than the showmanship? Well, it certainly seems like showmanship and itl hunting is such are such important skills at this point. You know, it's it's not I think people cynically say it's no longer game of social strategy at all I think that's partially because of the TV show we see right? Like, those those long hours of social strategy. Just never never really translate to a tightly edited show by I think, it's definitely less a game of social strategy than it was certainly when when you played back on the dark ages, and even the my first time when I played it was much more game of social politics sort of advantages. We're much I would say like it's fifty fifty now fifty fifty percent a game social strategy and fifty game scavenger hunt on an island. Okay. Let's just like. Listen, that's not me criticizing. I love the scavenger hunt on an island as I think it would be super frustrating to play against. But it's great. It's great fun to watch. Yes. And you love looking for idols. I'm not good at looking for. Okay. Let's bring in from Wyatt is the person who finally orchestrates Devon's getting voted out win the game by all is the person. That's funny that pelt of the I took out Rick Devon's. That's a great point. And that's probably be certainly be a really compelling case. It's like this is my signature the signature move of the post game was Mirus was mine. Yes. And should Lauren. Be able to say I was the only one that was able to vote Rick Devon's in this game. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Because she she actually succeeded. We're where everyone else's failed. It's like the nights, Rick Devon's. It's the night's watch. Like, we kill John snow. Yeah. That would be interesting. If the two of them where they were both in the final three if she would be able. To sort of like pan, the tables. I I voted you on day ten. It's really it's an interesting point. But obviously the jury is not going to feel like being voted out and coming back and give we've talked about that before. Yeah. It's it's it would be a Lauren versus Devon's final tribal would be. It'd be fun. Is there somebody else in there that you think that would be compelling? Would it be the other education person Gavin or Victoria, or Julie, do you feel somebody else that could make a case? I mean, you know, I'm a big fan thrown. I mean, I I've love Victoria's voted the correct way every vote, right? Except for the one. When she but she orchestrated vote that she then didn't participate in. I mean, I think that would be a pretty compelling case to make I think it would win, but I might vote for that. Yup. Even who got the fishy tonight. Oh, I guess there's not fun. I'm gonna guess the you gave it to Lauren. Yeah. You know me. So well, yeah. Okay. All right. Let's go to Johnny Silveira did Gavin. Victoria, Lauren think Rick and Julie were going to go after a bigger target. Why didn't they stand firm and vote for Julie? We think we think that they were gonna vote for Aurora. Yeah. They're always gonna vote for ROY. But why didn't they why didn't they? Hanging there and vote for Laura Lauren gusts. She wanted to vote for Aurora. I mean, I think Lawrence rationale certainly for why the Aurora vote make sense for her is very compelling. It's Julie's harashli. Generally, like, Laura is probably more of a threat to win. I agree like the major mitigating factor. There is that Aurora probably is a bigger as a bigger ability to beat Devon's in an immunity challenge than any of the other competitors that that really might come back to haunt though. I'm just going back to my notes. Why did Gavin in Victoria vote for Aurora? I think that just Lawrence has made the great case like jeweled that that. I mean, that's the narrative that we saw was great case. I'm looking back at my notes. Lauren and Gavin. Let's vote for ORA. Let's get Victoria in on it. Do you still want to do it? If she shuts it down. And then we saw Victoria say I don't want to do this. I don't remember if it was confessional. Or if it was to Gavin, but you have Lauren saying know. She's a bigger threat Lawrence saying that the bigger threat. She's she's going to likely to challenge she's likely to win fire than Julie that they perceive Julius jury goat. And they think it would be a dumb move. Julia again, like I agree with that. Like, I the final six voting out someone who is not doing that. Well and challenges Julie came out of the gate strong at the merch. But in all of these recent challenges is really stumbled literally. And she and she's the jury perceives her as being maybe more of a goat. Why on earth? Would you vote that personnel? It was not a threat. This was the point win Victoria should have said. Let's vote Lauren. That's yeah. I agree. I agree with that that is that would have been the correct move her for Victoria. Okay. All right. Then let's do one or two more questions here tonight. Scott Kieran wants to know how good was Devon's bluff tribal. Not that good. I gotta be honest. No, no one bought it. Nobody thought it saying this for years. Where the more the more somebody before the more foreplay there is on these idle plays the less likely somebody's gonna play it. Whereas like, hey, just so you guys know, I got this thing right here. Let me take it out show. Everybody got this. And I'm just gonna I might just play this tonight. You don't know you're making a million dollar gamble like the more hype. There is around it, the less likely it's going to get played if he if he handed it to Julie like, then they would be worried like there's like, Mike and Charene and Mike let Charene hold it at the tribal council, and it still didn't work. I don't think there's no advantage to doing that though. If your goal is to get this group of this Alec group of allies to turn on each other. I mean, I guess it's never worked in the past. So why why should it worked with sort of the three amigos tribal council? Right. Where they turned on Philip I I think so I this came up with the Michael Yager. Thing of like like Rick kid said we're going to we're going to vote for either Gavin, Victoria, or or roar or at and I think that we've that we've sort of arrived at you've to tell them the name of who to vote for like, hey, like vote with us tonight. We're gonna we're putting our votes on. We're putting our votes on a roar tonight. So join us vote out Aurora, but they want them to turn on each other. They don't want it to just be like, well, we had to do what they told us they want. What what Rick wants is the social crumbling of that alliance. Like he wants to have to betray other officials to say the name or don't say the name. I forget what we arrived at I'll have to go back a realist of the evolution strategy dot com. Yeah. It'd be like I think it would really depend situationally if you really wanted one person out, then you would say that name if you more wanted the aligns itself to like if you wanted to so discord was at this point, it seems like Rick is trying to like screw with people know, he's trying to have fun. Okay. All right. Let's start Scott those switch Ed to what's coming up. Okay. All right. Let's go ahead and talk about what's what's happening here on our H A P wind shut up. Tim's money. Stephen you like trivia. Yeah. Okay. Well, you should hear the new hit game show wind shut up. Tim's money on Robin. Akiva, Neto podcast where kiva Winokur, and I looked to win one hundred dollars from shut up, Tim. Wow. That sounds like a fun. Premise is a great really really like fun, ideas ideas. We hate boring ideas. Yeah. That's that's what sets your podcast apart. You prefer fun too boring. Yes. On this week -sition of news af Danny Tyson. 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Survivor 38 Episode 13 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 13 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Josh. Learn. Learn. Ler. Learn. Josh how about those game of thrones. Oh. We're talking about survivor here with Josh wig on the wiggle room final wiggle room before the finale of survivor, the edge of extinction and the final wiggle room before the finale of game of thrones. Oh my gosh. There's so much at stake right now. And it's it's just it's so hard to keep track of everything there's literally like a hundred different character fates to track and ninety of them doing survivor. Yes. It's too much. It's too much. All right. But we will be focusing in this podcast on the survivor side of things than the Lord of light will be bringing some one person back into the game on Wednesday night. So we will be on the Jeff Probst is he throws of MIR. I don't know. I don't know. He'd be good with the top not. If we're going to map him to Joey amazing is probably Thoresen of MIR. But like a much handsomer MIR very handsome guy, I could say that without worried about I don't think Thors of MIR is listening to this podcast. So we can just the game of thrones cast as much who knows? Okay. That's not what we here. We're here to talk with the Hollywood reporter's. Josh wig ler. Josh Joshua to don't just assign me to the Hollywood. Procedures. I think you're pretty bad opens more doors. I don't know. I feel like you've opened a lot of doors for me very specific doors. They're very specific doors evoke. Evoke really impressive doors, but they are definitely one very specific win of the house. All right. Love that wing. It's my favorite wing. It's it's it's a fun wing. So Josh, I'm going to miss you at the finale on Wednesday night, and I have not been to finale that you haven't been at think in recent history. Well, this is going to be the second one in a row that I've missed. Yeah. But I didn't go last time either. Because it was Stephen fish back was on his honeymoon. And so I had to man the fort on the know-it-alls last season, but I'm going to be out there on Wednesday night. But my finale partner in crime is not going to be there. I'm very very bummed to miss it. I'm literally just I know I keep saying I'm trying not to tiniest tiniest tiniest violin material here. I'm just I'm way to busy with the game of thrones stuff. I can't get away from my computer. It's gotta get in the way of a couple of things for me. Not great. But those future problems, but I will I will be I'm excited to be live in New York on Wednesday night as the survivor edge of extinction. Finale is rolling and I will be doing phone interviews with the cast of edge of extinction or at least select members. So that's gonna be Wednesday night. You're gonna phone interviews. So you'll you'll have stuff for me, certainly if not Wednesday night and Thursday more you done that before they put them on. No, no. Because typically I'm out there. I'm on the red carpet. Yeah. I'm talking to the people fresh off and for David versus Goliath, which was one of my very favorite seasons in survivor history. But sesame never some some have said, but certainly in recent memory, and like I was just like way too beaten up about what had happened with the cat. It was literally that day that happened. It was just awful timing that I ended up talking to Nick I only ended up getting chance to connect with him. So I haven't done. Done the finale phone or situation. I think ever so I I am going to be talking to people on Wednesday night. So it's it's a pre hangover interview situations, I'm at the very least excited about. Well. It's really the post hangover is when you get the gold like Mike white yelling at you. So, but I'm not looking to be yelled at right? I don't need to get yelled at. You you gave me advice to I've definitely put in the request for remain daily. So if she either she's going to win the season or she's at. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or at the very very least, hopefully we are going to be talking, and I will turn that interview around as quickly as humanly possible, so T HR dot com slash survivor. We will we will see what stories get posted over there in the midst of all this thrones madness. But I am really excited to finally get a chance to talk to some of these people who have just been, you know, they've been under like veritable Dag orders that they have been defying on social media throughout the season, though, less so in the last little less sue in the last little while, but I'm excited to like, that's that's I'm I'm excited for extinction to end for a bunch of reasons, but I'm very excited to get into the post game of this season to hear sort of like the cacophony of voices of what went down into do. That too. It's fun to do the. Okay. So the season it self is like it's like the Kaiser sosie myth bring Kaiser sosie evac. It's the Koba mug, it's Skokie, Illinois and. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Oh my God. That's so frustrating negotiators cancel to God author. Author Ari faster. What a disaster. Now. Look, we lose. No, okay. All right. Josh here. We are at the end of the survivor week. We have everything going on from the wand off still to come later on one. Final person will win a entry into the final wand off which we will get into at sometime next week. So be on the lookout for that. But we had Christian with a I think in all timer on the podcast credible. He's incredible. I think first of all no wonder how Christian was able to talk everybody off the ledge during that immunity challenge once upon a time. But he's he's so pleasant to listen to talking about surviving. You always is such a fascinating viewpoint into it that I love that. He is now such a fixture in the survivor community. I sincerely hope that you're getting him in our Jake every season so long. I'm sure it's you know, as your your door's always. Ari? It's really a matter. If he wants to come on Burt for him in this spot, really like the Christian bloom double whammy of like the post finale or the pre finale lineup is a is a pretty good one. If you're able to get that Shannon gates as well as she's gearing up for all the the South Africa nonsense, which I'm very excited for Christian was great Christmas. Great. I really liked his take on you. And he were sort of batting back and forth about the idea of like should people just like be like joining forces with Devon's like if it's like if it's a can't beat them. Join them type of situation maybe that kind of power guy like Rick Devon's in this moment where he seems to be building momentum. A lot of things I was also sort of drifting off a little bit as you guys were worshiping the auction. I thought maybe about a coconut chop on a table. And I didn't quite understand what you were talking about. People could go back in. Was getting out was just you will have the last word this week as we've talked about so many different angles of everything going into the survivor. Finale. You are here. This is the last time we're gonna talk about survivor before the finale on rob has a podcast and here you are to set that table without any coconut chop Ville two to throw. Off where your reward within fall on the floor. Is that how it worked that? You would like you would jump the coke. Now, we want expensive table with basically there'd be like two things like tethering to hold up the table. So you you're auction thing as long as you as long as you're table stayed up. But then when somebody buys an item, they get to cut they have to cut somebody's rope. So you're building element of the coconut chop challenge into the survivor auction. Yeah. And it's a it's compelling that you bring that up now as I seem to be on my final coconut in terms of my sanity. So the metaphor really works. Also, great that this week did feature seen survivor where the edge of extinction. Contestants were interviewing themselves across time and space following are are borderline disastrous front half of the wiggle room last week. So we'll talk to me about that. So. As somebody who's interviewed themselves. Like seeing the survivors get letters from self letters from self. Yeah. I don't know. I like the I like the idea of it as a practice. First of all. I mean, the preseason is so boring for these people that they're they're on lockdown in Ponderosa. They can't talk to each other. They're a lot of people are just like listening to music on their like their WI fi free like ipods, or whatever they're reading books. They're playing board games. They're trying not to do anything that's going to make themselves threatening. They're trying not to hog the hammock if they are smart enough to not hog the hammock, they're just trying to do whatever they can pass the time as they're in sort of this this chokehold point of getting right up to the point where you're about to play. And it's got to be a very frustrating time. That's why enjoy doing the first one out podcast because I think you clinicals the energy of how frustrating that. Period of time is and how much people wanna pop off. So I like the idea of giving them things to do in the preseason that may have impact on the game further down the line, or at least may have some emotional impact on their lives at some point down the line. But maybe that's the stuff that you save for bonus. Material. I don't know. I think that the thing that I did quit who they were on the edge. I loved I loved I can't I cannot stress enough. How much I loved that the ward odds letter himself. What's up the war dog signed the war dog? He did not forget he knew he was whose. I can't even who is even though it's for me. I received the feedback from people in the past who who I spoke within the preseason. Then they they go off and they play the game and the game plays out in a way. That's like wildly contrary to what their hopes and dreams were of what they had said to me, whoever what they had thought. And then they go back, home and months pass. And then the survivor ramp up game begins again, and they listened to the podcast where they wasn't or they read an article, and they're like man, I can't believe that's where I was at before all of this like, that's so crazy like that makes so much more sense now. So I'd like I've had that experience and I've seen that experience from my seat. But to have that in the in the game proper was I don't know. I mean, I understand the point. I think that they the production. I feel like production feels like they need to start like. Kind of ramping up that emotional investment back into extinction. Because so much of the finale energy is going to at least the very first part is going to be about bringing back from extinction and trying to get you reinvested and reinvigorated and all of that. But I don't know is there a better way of doing that than by having them like read what they wrote to themselves out on the island. Maybe they write new letters to themselves of what they learned on the edge of extinction. I mean sure, but I don't know that you need to tell. All right. I'm really excited to get into something that as we were ramping up to the podcast that you shared a particularly hot take about this season that I want to explore with you and it has to do with the upcoming results of this season. And I would love to hear what you have in mind. Well, so before before the season began at the night that you will be well familiar with your birthday out in Los Angeles in the in the fall of twenty eighteen October twentieth. Twentieth. You can you can picture it that that there may or may not have been a bet struck between myself and the great occasional. No at all Hannah. Shapiro filling in on Wednesday night the future. No at all. Dillon where she was so confident in the ability of her friend and former competitor David right to be able to win the season that she and I bet twenty dollars that she was so sure that it would be David, and I could have the full field of anybody else to be David Wright. And I thought that that was that was a hell of a deal, and I still feel better and get as much as as much as I love David Wright. And I think that where we are in the survivor community right now a lot of the discourse around the endgame of extinction. Not the vendors and game, which I still won't spoil. Even though everybody seems to have seen it at this point who wants to go out and see it. I feel like that's we're in a very similar place where if you were to ask people who is going to win the season virtually everybody, whether you like him or not there seems to be so much expectation at this is Rick's game to lose that Rick Devon's is is the guy that has so much of that narrative momentum. He's. Is being very show boaty at tribal council he is having extraordinary success with individual immunity idols and even individual immunity wins at the challenges. So much of the story seems to be filtered through his perspective. He's literally leading people on wild goose chases through the jungle. Josh that compared Rick Devon's to the blue and gold dress. I said that the Rick Devon's is white and gold was when I posted on Twitter this past week, though, another or groom blind. Boy, does he's black and blue based he's been how he's been received by certain contingent of social media, and look how ever you want to receive and view and filter. Rick Devon's that is between you and your survey Yanni because that has a different connotation, I it was the original draft of the tweet was not as soon as the Rick Devon's is white and gold. I appreciate that. Everybody is the guy differently. I've tried to make my take on it pretty clear that I think Rick Devon's is a really really great guy from the limited interactions that I've had with him. I think that he's fun to watch TV. I understand the perspective that we are seeing a lot of Rick Devon's when there are so many other people out there, and that he might just not be your flavor of tea that. No, you can you can be. Yeah. Exactly. You're you're cool. Eight tinged T, you'll be mad for whatever reason. That's I'm not gonna get into that. That's that's between you guys, and whatever you want whenever you want to do with that. But for me, the take of that there's so much Rik Devon's on the show when there are fifteen other human beings still in contention to win the sole survivor title heading into Wednesday night. There are sixteen human beings that could walk away from survivor edge of extinction this Wednesday as the sole survivor. I know that Rick appears to be the odds on favourite, and maybe I'm a crazy person. But give me the field. Once again, I will I will take the fifteen other players that one of those fifteen will be the winner. And it won't be Rick Devon's that is that that will be my bold scorching hot take that that Rick who is. Who is who has been set up in a lot of ways to be sort of the protagonist of the season or sort of the main driver or the main pilot if you will of the season that I think that what we will get in. The finale is one of these supposed passengers rising to the top and flying the plane to victory that is my prediction for Wednesday. Getting play. I don't think he's getting played. I think that he's doing exactly what he wants to do. And it seems to be working out pretty well for him. So far. I just I don't I don't think he's going to be able to ride this thing. Okay. The me ask you this question. Then do you think that the ultimate winner is going to be a person who comes back from the edge of extinction? Not Rick Devon's. And that maybe the reason for some of this wonky nece in the storytelling the season is how do we tell the story of the winner of the season when they haven't been on the show for these last couple of weeks? I think that's a really good bit. Personally. I think that it's a it's a very likely outcome to this thing for me again like to talk about sort of like the discourse surrounding this season. And Devon specifically like the one of the arguments that I've seen a lot of is either this season was edited really poorly because Devon's is such a clear front runner that there's gonna be no surprise when he wins or this season was edited incredibly poorly because Devon's has been edited so strongly and then he's going to lose. But I feel like if the winner. Is coming from the edge of extinction rights. How do you? How do you tell that story without really tipping things off? And in the penetration group, the great Moreau's pointed back to a conversation that I had with Probst in the preseason that I had kind of forgotten about. And when she brought this backup sort of again, I know he's canceled. But it's the Kobayashi mug for me where it was like, oh, man that makes a lot of sense that in the preseason props was talking to me about how he doesn't know why survivor can't be like any major drama on TV where you can structure a story and sort of a compelling different way than maybe what we've seen on survivor in the past. Why can't it just be a murder mystery? Why can't it be that you've seen a little bit of personnel person be over there? You don't see them again for a while. And then suddenly they pop up in a massive way. So it just makes me feel like is just to obvious. It's just to obviously we've been here before I feel like we're being set up for the rugby pulled out from underneath us. And I think. For somebody to come back from extinction. And it somebody who we just by the design of the season by the nature of the fact that there's only forty two minutes of television every single week that there's just no way to be spending as much time with the person who eventually wins as we would get into normal main game. It would make a lot of sense for me that the person who wins this season is going to be the person who reenters the game at the start of the finale. Yeah, this is a really interesting point. I don't see Rick Devon's losing in the final three. But what if Rick Devon's goes out before then, and then it some sort of extinction person is sitting there in the final two with pick two with these people? And I feel like that. Then think that maybe you could wrap your head around that the edge of extinction person winning as opposed to looking at somebody else from the field who still in the game. It's like what how could how could Gavin not win. How could Lauren no win? They've. Look at all they've done. Right. Right. And I think that in some cases, there would be some narrative justification for some of it. There was such an emphasis on returning players throughout so much of the season. And they're sort of built in understanding or maybe an assumption of built and understanding between the audience and those players who we have invested multiple seasons of emotion and investment in like Aubrey Kelly David Joe that we know those people so that if one of them were to come back in you wouldn't be scrambling to to really catch up to what that person's story is and what it means for that person to come back. And for me like we talked a lot along the way of like how does a returning player possibly win this season? But if a returning player overcame the odds of getting dunked on by the new players, then surviving hacking it out on the edge of extinction coming back in and then improbably beating their way to the top. I think with a jury that's going to consist of. You know, the vast majority of them will be people who have spent time out on the edge of extinction. That person stands a really good shot at winning. So I feel like I would be you know, if any one of the four returning players were to come back in at the start of the finale, I would be looking at them to be the front runner to win just narrative for me at that point. And then I think that the other person who has had a lot of screen time throughout the season has been remake it is really honed doing the rim daily win. But there has been so much regime that the dream could come true, and we could see the first one remaining high might be ream ING, I may be getting played. We're we're talking about you know, as we're as we're recording. This just a couple of days before the the winner is revealed. So why not live in the dream while we still can before we live in the knowing and she is somebody who has been who has been prominently featured throughout the season. So that is somebody who I would not be mad at and feel like cheated from the story level that that person. Let's live in that world for as I never get. We often live in that world here on this. Like living that world where we are remain. Okay. In that world that I feel like it's almost like the opposite world where that in the world where Rick Devon's wins. I think that the for lack of a better term, the casual audience loves this outcome. I've talked about this going survivor Facebook page people are a loving Rick Devon's as your dunking on everybody. He's the only one playing their super high on Rick Devon's and super casual friends are big Rick, Devon. They'll they'll love it. And so it will really play with the, you know, the TV the TV audience. They're really loving Rick. Rick Devon's, and then, you know, the ver- very loud a group of people, which is numerically smaller. They are going to you know. Go nuts. Not not happy. Not going to love it. I feel like it's going to be the exact opposite of that. If Reema winds where Twitter is going to be going nuts best season ever. And I feel like the TV watching majority is going to be way out on this outcome. Yeah. But it's gonna it would be it would be a big reaction. I feel like either way. Like, I don't think that it would be like a small seismic impact. And it wouldn't for me be like a total W T f like I do feel like a noth- of the story of this season has been filtered through reams perspective that that it would make a lot of sense that it was is the edge of extinction. She's the edge of extinctions. She's the. You know, I think so so it makes sense to me. It makes sense to me that we could we could see the outcome where where she comes through an and I wouldn't feel I wouldn't feel like robbed of anything. I wouldn't. I wouldn't feel fully cheated. I would I would feel like a compelling narrative experiment was was pulled off. Yeah. And I wonder I mean, I think that the thing that separates ream from a lot of the other players who are who are out there on the edge of extinction is I think that she is someone that you could you could really name like there's no confusion fatten the like final final word in every single episode seemingly. And I will also add that I believe that she had the last word on the letters from self segment, and I think she also had the longest of the letters from self segment. So I mean that that would really really I think that that would that would make some. Sense. I think like some of the ones that like would be like hard to accept that. This was the outcome. Like this game kind of hours some of the people who we just don't know. Well who have been out there? Like, Chris we really Chris at all. Julia. We barely know. Julia. Even Eric like, we barely barely know Eric it'd be like enough has been brought into the Aurora storyline recently that if you were to come back that would make some sense to me Ron would make sense to me like there's a couple of outcomes where it makes sense to me. But really the ones that make a lot of sense to me would be anyone of the former attorneys or reams daily if draft right now Josh of draft who you think is coming back from the extinction. I think rematch would be like a top four pick. Yes. Yes. Yes. For me. Absolutely. All right. I think like just like like logically like you would think that some of these people who are like proven challenge beasts like like Joe or Chris who is really strong and the beginning of the game would be people who would be likely to come back. But like I just feel like there's been nothing in Chris that would. Really shock me Aubrey like we've saw that. We've seen enough of Aubrey straight. And I've been saying this all along. I am such Aubrey fan that my bias is showing. I am sure. But we've seen enough of Aubrey all along the way that I would not be thrown off at all Aubrey came back in academia, exactly, exactly. So. Just be like there's there's fifteen fricken people on this so hyped up. All I want is Remes final three speech. I know to either way she's going to be incredible final tribal council. I didn't wanna go to the edges extinction. I wanted to vote out the returning players that was my plan. And no. And you know, what that these returning players that they stood in my way. And this was this wasn't what I wanted to my vibe experience. I don't wanna be out there on the edge on like, screw you Kelly. You did for me. Yeah. I got their got every single person. I got to know them player. Yeah. Maybe we saw like the start of of Rheims redemption with the jury at the end of this past episode when she and Aurora seemed to like really hit it off, right? Great. What? That you and I have talked about this in the strategy that deal jury performance is not like. I'm sorry. If I if I came off the wrong like it's like, no you own it. You own you game. That is what Reema does. Yeah. But I think you are very Ming who are Riemann. We're probably remaining we're probably reading. But let's just let's let's just keep reading a little bit. I feel like look at Devon's is in the final three. Devon's wins. Whether you want to say like he did everyone was everyone gonna vote for ROY. Anyway, almost certainly I don't think that he turned that vote. He's very very good at owning the air in the room at tribal council and that is a skill. That's a really that's a survivor talent for sure. Did he did he call Vate vote? Absolutely not. But he that that kind of energy that person who has had the story that he has been able to shape for himself in front of the jury for so long the fact that he had spent time out on the edge of extinction that he's going to be able to speak to a jury that is predominantly people on the edge of extinction. He will be able to convert that jury if Devon's is there at the end Devon's will win. But if he is not there, and if somebody from the edge of extinction who returns to the game at the six is there that's a person who's going to be speaking to a bunch of people on the jury who spent at least a good portion if not the Giardi of their game out on the edge of extinction, and they're going to want to validate that experience, and I don't think that there's enough people left in the act of game who have been outwardly impressive enough. Even if they're playing impressive games from our standpoint and from the standpoint of baseline reality but perception, not being reality. And all that I don't think that there's anybody who's story outside of Devon's who is an active presence. In the game right now would be able to beat that out with a jury that is mostly exciting people. So I could go go on and on and on about this. But it's it's probably fan fiction. And I don't want to do a complete disservice to the people that have been somewhat overlooked at least by the edit in this season. So Josh, I'm gonna ask you could you give us the case real quick. Maybe a sentence or two about the other non Rick Devon's non edge of extinction people that are still left in this game. I did that they've been playing very impressive game on a season that isn't like monster behemoth season like edge of extinction is a more normal season of survivor. I I like their chances. And I think that they've played a very strong. They've played it in very, strong fashion. Jewelry has been flexible. She has survived. She is she she was she was savvy enough to recognize that like we need to start looking at. War dog right now, Rick Devon's a bit of a threat. She had strong alliances with with Ron she's been able to pivot. She's been able to do what you in Christian. We're talking about. And really like if it can't beat them. Join them with with Devon's in this last vote. I love Julie, Julie has impressed me. I think that the the the more meta perspective on Julie being a candidate to win. So I think that she's been one of the more visible players as a character this season. And I would really not be surprised if we if we see her in final tribal council, I think we've seen a lot of really fun confessionals from her and I would root for her. I'd be very happy to see her. At least get that far. If not win. I think it's we've also gotten the material on the show of people steaming her shot at winning to be fairly small where there has been this perspective of like shouldn't. We just keep like shouldn't. We just be keeping Julia around for a little while like seems like we'd be able to beat her. So you wonder why that's there if that's not like a fairly real perspective internally in the game. Lauren last of the less SU if you're not counting Devon's because she has never been voted out. She's the only one from that original that original minute tribe that Deborah got voted out still has an idle. She she went at the game so hard that she passed out in a challenge. She has she has the potential to do some really compelling stuff with that idol here in the finale, I feel like that gun has to go off in a pretty cool way. If she's able to do some flashy stuff while gun be where Kelly told everybody that she had the idol and somebody's coming back from the edge of extinction. Is that big move when she comes back into the game. Like, you know, what Kelly told me Lauren has the idol everybody. Yes. You could just totally blow up the bomb is definitely possible. I feel like it's got to go off in some capacity. It could it could blow up in her face or she could she could wield as a weapon herself, of course, in every scenario preferred the world where. Comes back into the game. And completely destroys the bomb. Even though that that disrupts Lawrence game. It would just be fabulous television in anything that gets reigned closer to the million dollars. I'm supportive, but if Lauren is able to play out the finale, that's the thing about that's the thing about the finale these days that they are like action movies now that so much resume building. If you wanna call it that I know that a little cringe, but like so much of that material does happen in the finale now that we come into the final episode of season. And there's enough roadmap that we just can't account for yet for for what could be done to give somebody enough credit to win. I think that Lawrence story in that capacity. There has been a Nuff for me on the TV show already that if she were able to really commandeer the finale with some crucial challenge wins. Maybe crushed the fire making challenge. Play the idol in a way, that's really really great that she could get to the end and say, I am the last of less you I- I- buddied up with these comma folks when I needed to. And I think I think a case could be made. I love the way that Victoria plays survivor. I love the way, Victoria place arriving. I think that she has ended up playing a game that is very close to what she said out to do. I think if you go back and you listen to her preseason interviews or read her preseason interviews with other people. I think that she really sketched out what she wanted to do. She didn't want to just like shouldn't to sit on her Yanni's. You know, she wanted to she wanted to actually wanted to get out there and make moves and she wanted to to to push the game in the direction that she felt that it needed to go, even if it wasn't always the safe option. Even if it required extrordinary amounts of deception, even if it required doing things, it seemed a little bit villainous. He wanted to do that without any apologies. And I think that the Aubrey move remains one of the most impressive votes of the season. We have seen in fairly recent survivor. I think that the Dominic and Wendell tribal council really really comes to mind on this front that it'd be do stuff. Impressive early in the game versus doing things that are impressive late in the game. It's probably too late in the game stuff. That is going to score the most points on the board. So I don't know what Victoria can do from here on out that would really be like a flashing neon. Sign of why you should vote for me. But she at the very least has the potential to pull some of those moves together. And at the very least has done things along the way that have impressed me. And I think impressed a lot of viewers and should be very proud of the way that she played Audrey Broncos an excellent survivor player into blindside hurt the way that she did and was vicious and delicious and really really really really good. I could see you're going out next though. I could see that as well. I well, the thing is I like where she landed at the end of this last vote where she ended up going along with a plan that was going to. Be happening with or without her. But I liked I liked DeVos's pitch at tribal council being like I'll be here. Julie will be here. And then the person from the edge of extinction will be here, and that will be three of us. We're gonna want to work against the other three. And then we're going to get to Iraq draw. I feel like probably with Lorne, Victoria and Gavin like any one of them. Maybe it's like too late for the move. But we've already seen that with Victoria, her being like, I'm not going out on a rock draw. Like, I could see her being the one to flip. But in that scenario, I think like you could probably make the case for anyone can't flip votes against her. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I think that there's a there's a strong case to be made that she could go soon, though, I think I'd be more worried about Gavin who has who has shown some real challenge prowess recently who seems to be playing a think like a relatively obvious political game based on how everything went down with the reward this past time. But I really like Gavin a lot. I think that he seems like a really really nice guy, and I know how badly he wanted to be out there and how badly he wanted to play. So I I be happy for him as a human being and being to to win the game. But he's probably the one of the people left in the game. That I have the hardest time seeing it for that being said the pineapple shirt phenomenal and a tremendous tremendous introduction to the to the hall of fame of great survivor fashion. Okay. Josh anything else you wanna say about survivor edge of extinction before we head into this week's last regular season want off. No anything else. We can we can save it for Thursday after we get all your stories from the finale, and and we're gonna have a I'm sure a lot to talk about. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. No all right before we get in. To this week's issue of the wand off, and we'll take a moment. And thank a sponsor, and those are friends over at cheers, health and cheers is designed to reduce the negative effects of alcohol. Whether you drink a little or maybe a little bit more take cheers after a night out. And you'll feel at least fifty percent better. The next morning. I know that I could probably use this on Wednesday night. 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So to give it a shot. Go to cheers health dot com. Enter promo code, rob at checkout and get ten percent of your first order, plus a free gift. Cheers, health dot com. Promo code, rob. And get a free gift. Cheers. The best thing to happen to alcohol since alcohol. Yeah. I mean, I I do think that probably is the best thing to happen to alcohol. Overall, the cheer is being second-best that make sense to me that lines up. Just as men and. If you need to you. Leave your lipid Nikki happy rest of my life. Just. Getting. Josh way glare. Do you? Remember the days when the wand off was the most controversial thing in all of saviour. Ever. Wasn't that long ago? All right one of time last one of the regular season. And we're going to do a lot here today. We're going to announce the winner of the episode number twelve one we're going to listen to the episode thirteen wand off they're going to be getting played on this podcast. And then on Thursday of this week, Josh Wigley, and I are going to return to talk about the finale answer your feedback questions if you have feedback about the finale, I'm sure you will go ahead and send that in Robbins website accomplish voicemail. Three two three two arch or survivor at robs a website. I calm, and then we will go through all your feedback. Josh's reactions to the finale and much more. And then we will announce the winner the episode number thirteen one off. So the voting is going to be sure window this week. Okay. So you have until the survivor finale starts. To get your votes in Kirk lark. Okay. So let's turn the polling off at the start of the episode tight window here. Height window time, forty eight hours of voting for the number thirteen wand off Jerry hill, better mobilise. Mobilize. And then Josh, and I will have a full wiggle room on Thursday. And then we will have the just the announcement of the winner and then the following week. We are going to listen to the one offs from all the finalists, and they're not going to be more than two minutes. Thirty seconds. Everybody is. If you want to get an extra ten seconds, forty one. It doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't work that way. If you want an extra one, then you what your victory is Riley other people to now. Okay. All right. So Josh we have a lot to get to here today. Of course, all of these Wanda offs are up on the sound playlist as curated by the great Randy new poll, but let's let's talk about last week on the wand off. And here we go. So in week number twelve episode number twelve the one off we had in third place with seventeen point thirty one percent of the vote. It was DJ Figueroa mcnicoll for someone tell tropes knows good one. I liked that one. Okay. All right now going to second place this week. It was Laura E D with her. Song all about transferable. I still laugh. It was funny. Josh we had a little bit of a runaway this week with our winner with forty four percent of the vote on my I believe is a first time wombat hat winning performance for the great Graham from the bay booze seven six five four three two one ten nine eight seven six five four. Warning, this one attended only for mature audiences for the safety and protection of all year old around you. Their discretion defied. Term boy. Yes. It's raining dill and congratulations Graham from the bay run away. Win in episode number twelve one of the purple pants bad ass alliance is smart play on the one I think. Okay. Congratuations Graham, welcome to combat nation. Welcome to the final wand off which will be playing getting laid next week next week. Okay. All right. Let's bring in the host of the wand off for the final time here in the regular season of season thirty eight here is late great Casey case, rob. And Josh it's a pleasure to be back with you for the final time in the regular season. Casey. It's nice to see you as well. I loved your work in the case in bowl last night. That was that was very exciting highly anticipated event glad. You liked it, Josh? Because a lot of people felt like that. My character was making decisions that had not been earned over all the past seasons of the wand off things have moved a little quickly. I will say this is a little bit of quicken pace. But the the rivalry between you and rob has been a little bit forced, but. Other than that. I think things have been progressing fairly naturally for ghost. Josh. Are you ready to hear the episode number thirteen honorable mentions? I am here we go. Our first honorable mentioned this week comes to us from listener force of will. And he wants to talk about Victoria. She hasn't had to win. And nine months of time. She's making the move. She's now she has to. Rem? That was from the popular group nickel fish BAC, man. Classic. Classic went wand off from before the Wanda was thing you remember all the way back in the Oji wiggle room days, the co wrong days of the wiggle room. When Nick Myra no road in and formed us of how he got blindsided to the tune of Nickelback that was a great time in ancient memory from a long time ago. It's wonderful. Why because it had no Casey Kasem know, Casey, I'm your ally. Here. Don't don't listen. All right. A little sensitive right now. After all the abuse that I've taken this season who's more maligned these days in the survivor community. You were Rick Devon's or Benny off and Weiss. I don't think that there's three if they were if Rushmore travel. Social media's been cruel. Next up. Here is former one-off winter, Robin from Rochester. And she wants to talk about the correspondence the survivors received this past week. There. What? The responsible selves about mostly. But. We're. Elizer? We're that is from the soundtrack of the very polarizing film Moana. Kate. A kids movie. Wow. Speaking code wrong, corron turn somewhere back there. Josh earlier in this episode you and rob discuss the prospects that everybody might be remaining on Wednesday night. We have course, how can I forget? Well, the wand off superstars were very excited about ream as well this week. Here's the eleven year old amazing maisy. Maureen. Three. Maureen. Ever since we've been you. Seriously. You're being with worldly. To the edge on your. We're here for. I think that your insurance. That was from the artist Dali Neely, pardon Macy's, you watching thrones. Wondering if maybe maisy as an adult collaborator. So ringer. As I mean from the ringer. Yeah. Perhaps it's possible. I hope if you if you watching give it I hope you're okay for traumatic episodes. Actually a lot like I'm not. Okay. So. Informally today. Next up here is Amy with a song about rim. Do you think Macy's Macy Williams? She's not eleven the bells. Don't see too close. Don't talk to reins of to renew so make jokes. She's angry. Mom. Lift your. Goes reams Alantic. Oh, we love that. You can hold it back. Anymo- common. God too many. You've made the edged the best part of the show. Casu? They tie raised. Final words beginning many way. That is from the film, Julie frozen. Berg. Naked up. Here comes the collaboration between Nick Fishman and Aaron Robertson talking about this week's latest person who went to the edge of extinction. Heaven used on you. Hud and see. I know. After. Plan is everything you did was right. That was to be able to college team you. Clin. Now. Would this? Now is from the band marooning five. Yeah. It's a good band. Adam la- Klein, that's all I've got to contribute to that. I feel like before we were talking about all the people who are who are still like actively in the game in the running for the million dollars since she just got buttered. I felt like I didn't say anything about Aurora. I really enjoyed Aurora. I there wasn't a lot of Aurora at the start of the season. I really once once she showed up I thought that she was fantastic. So sad to see her go. I thought that she was a great character for the for the back half of this season. Very fun stuff from Rura. Josh our final Arbel mentions this week are all about the man that everybody is talking about. And his name is Mr. Rick Devon's what we're start with Kate from Connecticut. News. Search fister. So. Mr. news, man me. You won the sweat cheese. Mr. As mr. That was from a group called the Oga core debts. Yeah. Classic. Very classic. Now, our next to one offs are gonna give you both sides of the coin of the Rick Devon's debate, stop the side against Rick Devon's. Here's Michael j Clarke. He will say if Rick. We'll be don't you? All right out there at thirty. I just. I just. We just. I have already added this weekend. Divisive read it. Break. Rick rick. That was from a group called the hides Sepe a-. You are a dream. Your name is Ben and now for something different here to make the case for Rick. Devon's is the great Lindell from Australia. And the. News. The cutting. We should. Definitely don't listen to sister Nino. He doesn't know what he's talking about. All right. All right. Let's keep moving. All right. Josh. Let's get to our top five songs in all of wombats nation that was from Bobby John Lennon, also. This building toward is they're going to be a fight. We have fight. Alley. I don't believe in violence. I choose violence. Powers power. Josh here is our top five songs in one that's nation. And we're going to get things started with a woman coming to us from all the way in Seattle, Washington, right? Is Rebecca and she wants to weigh in on the epic survivor. Do they twenty nineteen? Player and I cheered them on. Was a when they'll stand over time. And I can't appreciate. For his congre Musa, but the. In care. Seems there's nothing noncontroversial. Course. On. Really really intense amounted. Time. It's really. Entry bergen. I mean, I don't entirely disagreement. The stances are really extreme. And I guess more of a moderate. That was words to live by from Fleetwood Michaela. Yes. Yes. Man. Very intense time in the survivor fan. Various over intense time. Yes. Next up. With another side of the debate about whether or not Rick is playing a great game. Here's Tyler and Megan. We don't have to spend it out. Own votes jury cast Williams. Sound but they will. Liquid on have to spell it out. Recapped on saying kit. But now she's voted Alpa, Vic and Gavin. The jury comes fishing. They make a move, but you all the credit. It's not you. Ricki? Thanks. So you're God of. Thank you might be bad. That's from the artist. Nell Moneo Concha. Twisted the end expect to stance. It didn't expect a decision. Really good thing. I was struck. By was Devon's rhyming close enough with Gavin that made me really sad that we never saw Rick in Gavin on the same page this season. So that they could have been in alliance called Rick Gavin's, suppose, you would need a second Gavin for that to really really work multiple Gavin's. Yes. Crisis on infinite Gavin's. Next up. We've got Audrey s and fully collaborating to talk about the woman who it seems like is a less polarizing figure over on extinction island, the been been a sheet dream man about the things. My name is. Cream? Fin impre and. Said no more extinctions Weller this season star. Yeah. This season screen just because I didn't go like powerless before showed up like idiots. I am so strong. You don't even know this old lady this old lady can kill it. Come not scrappy. I'm not going down without a fight full of strife and a loved one gave this twist chance to shine rob or even made a shrine won't raise that sale by old love to school young bull. I don't think that I am cold. Just being be grew them. What is so right with edge of extinction. He works. He ain't the. King could luck. Good luck. Could love everything thinking needs to come. The been up in sheet tree man about six name. Reem b been praying hard. Said no more extinctions Weller on the season star the been been in sheet treatment about aid. But be bit. I've been praying hard said no more extinctions Weller on this teases star. That was from Wanda Republic. Lately, I've been napping in a sheet. Did I get that? Right. That is correct. Great and is a perfect one off Lear and not to get too arbitrary or reductive. But I don't know what it says about the survivor season. All the ones are either about Rick Devon's or ream I think it says quite a lot. It's a two player season. We could spend a lot of time in that if you want, but it says a lot. A whole lot. Josh next up is a Wanda off from big deal. And he's either talking about Rick Devon's or ream you be the judge. Okay. Breaking news Kisco win the game. Call his name single player mode. He's the only one time. I don't understand fans are crying. Jio way of winning. Making trouble verse psychology best damned player. Pretty. Oh have in common newer old now. Now, our problem there. Others. Cub won the million bucks. But Jiro have done after having torched his claim game. These flimsy. Flimsy correctly in the majority at this much. The kid idol will have to speak, Robin, Stephen vibe, or no it old Rix king four Mucci. Thanks thomas. Edison. Thomas Edison, precise. You will learn survivorship. Play Lauren is Queen Victoria, who were they others. Devon acting like this. List committing treason except the game now and bricks paid or move onto another show. Like prayed, another show up our existing Anna strategies. Listen when I tell you. This cabin. The worst in history nut to be flaunt. Was the epic rap battle between the survivor Facebook and the survivor read it I do have to admit I'm very curious to see if Devon's does win where he lands on your eventual winner rankings, rob. And I'm talking to Casey. But I'm also rob is behind your shoulder. Casey. Don't turn around too fast. Oh, just wait. Just wait. All right. All right. My my job. It's rematch have to wonder because I know removing number one. Where will she be on? The first boot ranking also also number one also number one number one, no matter where where this goes. Josh the number five song it all of one bats nation is either about ream or Rick Devon's God. You can't you vote for the Kool aid man, the dad, but way, he walks or ankle, he talks or the weird breaking news music. He athletes. No, though, we know he's not the e snags ear Johnston sane. But you do. That tree. So if. Rick, Scott, if you flaws voted him out to store survivor. A bit of. This certain. Rick is something we can. Knows the truth for this Becca best actual debt. Tell me dear. The way he draw his analogies long. Jested? He's technically one or the way that he gets the. When it comes to those talents. Game. Stupid. Bush. Replace. It's silly show that we can do. Hey, Josh covering this theory by Email. That God, very surreal. Yeah. Wow. That was from film. Ian, frozen burger when my God. And who put that together? I don't think I caught that. I don't know if I said, it was Michael and Kimberly. Wow, listening phase action number that's going to sell you on lease like cooling your jets on on Rick. Devon's nothing will. So that was like the best attempt at a truce could possibly make just a few more days books. But Josh it turns out that there's actually a number six song in all of one that surprise. Sometimes this happens happens. Sometimes Josh here is one winner from back in week one and Ken he book in the season with a book end with two Bs. Sure, here's Bob with two Bs talking about Rick Devon's or ream. I'm not here to play role model for the world that do want my immediate family to know that don't stop never stop. You know? Yeah. There was a personal time out that went down like use them. Don't stop just to. Shape. Time capsule. Humor bay. I you hear a leader. Finally realize. Still here. Joe? That was from the group journey Porsche. Now, they're not easy. Got it. That. We've had Jordan Neal Gottlieb in the past. Yeah. I think that's right. That's familiar, which also reminds me I cracked up really hard. It wasn't even that funny. But just hearing Christian say the words Pete Baggins stowe's mod cast. I don't know why that cracked me up so much had forgotten that that was thing. Also disturbed by the mental image of requiem for ream. So thanks for that baba to B's the serving horrifying prospect. All right, one-off listeners you have on till the survivor finales, take cast your vote for one of these six owns about Rick Devon's or ream for the final wand off of the season to send one more person in to the final one head over to rob as a website that com slash vote wonder, oh my gosh. It's happening and be on the lookout for the soundcloud playlist all of this week submissions put together by Randy new pool for the rob is a podcast patrons at rob. As a website dot com slash patriots. A man and also special thanks to Jason Curtis Rivera for all the music videos. We don't know if you'll have time to get to them before the finale, but even if he doesn't he's still did a great job these fantastic every every job. He does is fantastic. And Josh for me, Casey Kasem, I'm headed back to the edge of extinction. That your new home goes the rinse too high. The next time I saw you the edge of extinction season will be over. And we'll be talking about the final one off post finale. Yeah. Well, I think that you'll actually be pretty comfortable on the edge of extinction all by yourself. Once everybody moves out spacious for ghost where you know, you kind of just get to kick it alone. Like, I feel like you've got a lot of room to spread out. So just don't raise that sale. We need you there. So until next time keep your feet on the ground and keep your hands off the table. All right. Well, final one off no more Casey Kasem in the regular season on my God. Wow. Wow. This season's did it. Fly. Fired. It I can't tell if faster and flew it starts fast. Feth started fast. And then. It feels like we've been you know, I really think that since the rich full disclosure, I think that since we lost the returning players. I felt like that the season has gotten gotten a little slow here at the end. The reading the reverse game of thrones, the reverse thrones. Yeah. Yeah. Slow down a little bit. David versus lies feels like forever ago. It doesn't feel that way that that feels real real. Okay. Josh winkler. So big survivor finale coming up on Wednesday. Of course news af still to come on Tuesday. We'll record that show that up Tuesday night. And then we will have after the survivor finales, Stephen fish, back and Hannah Shapiro will be live after the code to get into everything from the survivor edge of extinction. Finale, I will be at the show, and I will be on the red carpet to get interviews with as many people as they bring through hoping for more than just the final six. We'll say hope so. Yeah, hope so and I'll have I'll have my interviews from from back home dot com slash survivor, just to step on your own self promotion and just like take that opportunity to promote myself. This is our self promotion. This is our self. Yeah. That's right. Like, I said, I'm your Josh wake to if we didn't do it. Who would nobody? Yeah. So check that out and then we will be back together. Josh and myself on Thursday afternoon. And then look for that Thursday night into Friday mornings and your feedback questions and will reveal the winner of the episode number thirteen wand off and more. And then from there we'll have a special final this week in survivor early next week as well. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows the future of this weekend? Survivor could be a cliffhanger the exit interviews comeback. We don't know. We don't know. What's going to happen? Jordan keilor's. Let you. Yeah. So we've got that big show coming up, and then we'll see when the postseason interviews begin. Oh my God. I can't wait honestly, genuinely that's what I'm most excited about right now Yod cast is going to be lit. And then look for my interviews from the red carpet by Thursday morning. We should have all those up for everybody to check out as well. All right tense. Good. And it's not too early to say, hey survivor off season is coming in. Yes. There's the international survivor the survivors, South Africa where Shannon gates and Mike Bloomberg gonna have all the coverage. But of course, if you wanna take a look backwards the evolution of strategy has gotten many a survivor fan through the long survivor off season. And just in case we forget to bring it up on Thursday, just a reminder evolution of strategy dot com. This is a good reminder for me to remember to bring evolution of strategy dot com. A couple of times on the Thursday show in case, we are roping in non wiggle room listeners. So you can make that sweet sweet K. Hopefully will have some organic ways to talk about the evolution strategy. Will do we have inorganic ways to? Okay. All right. I'm up something Josh Wigley. Of course, we're also to recruit the game of thrones feedback show on Tuesdays. Well, he could read everything that Josh is doing about game of thrones as well at round Howard, T H R dot com slash came. Thrones anything else now? That's here. He's regular podcasts. Yours happening where I'm just talking to myself about game. And there's both interviewing myself in print and in podcast game. These days that's a sign of how you close your interview with yourself about the latest game thrones episode with I am the week dog. I am the wig, Doug. No, I didn't. I don't wanna get sued by law school student annual disover. Okay. To say law school student. All right. Well, this is gonna be the last time. I get to talk survivor before the finale, so hope everybody enjoys the show hope it's a fun one. And we will talk to you on the other side of the survivor edge of extinction. Finale take everybody have a good one by ten nine eight seven six five four three two one ten nine eight seven six five. Morning fifth lawn off is attended only for mature audiences for the safety. Protection of all year olds around you. With discretion advised. His term rambling. Until jill. Jill. It was nothing but to healthier of our. They should the call the price. Jill. Spee. He wants the rock to rub him down with spreading. What's? 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Survivor 38 Episode 12 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 Episode 12 Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Four we get Josh Wigley on the line and get everything on this week's dishing up the wiggle room. I wanna take a moment. Thank our sponsor. This episode of the podcast, those our friends over at sharper image, the makers of the calming comfort weighted blankets, the common comfort weighted blanket is the perfect thing for you. If you struggle getting to sleep us, no need to suffer through another sleepless night, the calming comfort blanket from sharper image is the luxurious weighted blanket that helps you relax a you can fall asleep and stay asleep naturally that my wife the first lady of podcasting swears by the common comfort waded blanket. She can't go to sleep without it. Now, it's designed with high density comfort fill to provide. Exactly the right amount of weight to help relax your body. It mimics the soothing feeling being hugged for less stress and a restful night's sleep. Forget taking the sale down from the edge of extinction and covering yourself like. 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Just for our listeners, you can go to common comfort black. Ranking dot com. Use promo code rob at checkout to get fifteen dollars off the displayed price again that's calming comfort Elanca dot com, promo code, rob. And because it can't put a price on a great night's sleep. Go online now at calming comfort blanket dot com. Use promo code, rob. For your special discount today. Josh. Learn. Learn. Lurk. Learn. Oh, yeah. That's a right wiggle room. Episode number twelve here with the great Josh Wigley. Josh how you holding up. I was at a wedding this weekend, and the wiggle room seems on played and I've forgotten that it was from an actual song. And I forgot that it comes at the end of of that the song the one that the that the wiggle room theme is from the name of it. But it came on. And I was like I was like scared on the dance floor is like, they know. I'm here. I suddenly felt like Josh weightless music. I know as nervous as scared. Yeah. I was watching on the Instagram story that you and Emily FOX like you had a great time. Emily, FOX had a really great time. I'll I'll say that rush the dance crying this. You're so happy. Yeah. The loved ones. Visit it really was it was the Star Wars wedding. Was on may the fourth be with you in may the fourth be with Mike and Angelo bloom. The proud new parents of a new young Ling Asher of the patio on. Yes. I didn't exciting times here in the AP community. Okay. Busy Saturday for people. What were you doing on Saturday? Just podcasting. So as a party for everyone podcasting way. So yeah, lots of stuff going on. All right. Of course, Josh wake ler taking some time away from all the work that he's putting in with the final season of game of thrones coverage. So we're happy to have him here. I have no idea his thoughts on the latest week of survivor. So that makes two of us. Yes. Okay. Josh did you have any big picture thoughts for where we stand now as we're down to the final six where it's really become a season of Devon's versus the field. Yeah. So I was able to listen to a little bit of not nearly as much as I would like the podcasts at you are doing with rice this week. I got us are as I forget the loved one that he plans to open a pizza joint with. But. But was Lawrence dead, Joey. Yeah. Yes. So Bryson Joe era. Joey's pizzas a thing. That sounds very exciting. But you guys were talking about sort of comparisons. He had like the shocking take of comparing Rick Devon's. So Wilson, I still don't get that one. I don't I don't really get it either to be perfectly honest, but your comparison of Rick Devon's to Mike Holloway was kind of it was like a little bit of a Kobayashi mug moment for me. We're suddenly felt like the season is starting to fall into place that we are in like some sort of bizarre worlds apart universe where it yields like it was like somehow Devon's asked to run this thing. It just doesn't feel like there's there's a ton of other options on the table that make a lot of narrative sense. But how he's able to do that is a little murky to me. So it's like dream Bergen Holloway ask. But the way that this episode laid out really really had me leaning in that direction as well. So when you when you compare them to Mike that made a made a lot of sense like something finally kind of kind of quick in place for me. What hundred and fifty thousand percent? Yes. Okay. Well, Josh I been inspired by your coverage of game of thrones incredibly thorough and hard working, but I can tell that maybe you're starting to lose it a little bit. And I noticed that when the second week in a row, you filed an interview with yourself about the latest episode of game of thrones. And I would love to give you the opportunity to have another exclusive interview with yourself if you wouldn't mind about the latest episode of survivor, so I have to interview myself about. What happened on survivor this past week, or where your head is at you know, where I I don't want to confine where the interview can go, but I feel like that Josh Wigley interviewing Josh wig ller. I think is a mood. Josh Winkler interviewing Josh wave. There is a mood. The way that tends to work is Monday morning rolls around him running on three hours of sleep. And I need to get a game of thrones article up very quickly. And I just end up. There's there's a lot of people that I'd like to interview, I'm I've got requests out. I don't necessarily have anything lined up right away. But somebody's gotta talk about the show. So I just interviewed myself and the loopy antics of a wig on three hours of sleep tends to produce decent results. So what you have now as we are recording this on a Monday at around six fifteen pm eastern standard time is Josh Wigley past the end of the natural work day still on three hours of sleep and several days almost all week removed from having watched the latest episode of survivor the edge of extinction. So I guess the. First question, I would have for Josh is what happened this past week on survivor edge of extinction. My answer to that would be well if the if the question is specifically about the edge of extinction the physical location. I don't know. I don't think any of us know, unless you're watching the secret scenes because it wasn't even there. It didn't show up. It didn't buy didn't bother to do his job sort of like how you're not showing up for your own podcast all season long with any unique takes whatsoever because seven hundred hours of podcasts have already occurred. And you can't listen to all of them. And you can't spit out your own unique takes and process. Everything that everybody else is saying because you're stuck in west roast. I guess that I would say that the fact that the war dog was not each heard on edge of extinction at all in this episode rules him out completely for me Wardag zero point zero percent chance of winning this game. This man is. Is a man who is not gonna win his way back in with a physical challenge of any capacity in the fact that he is completely unrepresented on the edge of extinction without any kind of sappy edge of extinction story suggests to me that a no shot to win and be potentially. No capacity for a sentimental edge of extinction. Sob story for this, man. So he's out of it for me, man. I need I need you to filibuster for me just a little bit. Rob while I'm trying to think of the next question. Then I'm going to ask myself. Okay. Josh wig ler here. Giving us an exclusive interview with the Hollywood reporter's game of thrones and survivor correspondent, Josh Winkler. If you're joining us late here in the podcast. Yes. Josh wailer. What did you think of Rick Devon's being very stealthy and physically spry enough to climb a tree in the middle of the night? And sneak an. Title away from camp with only a couple of people waking up ever since lightly. Just the gentlest of alertness from I believe that was on their Rura and Gavin could rob verifier those the people who woke up. Yeah. I don't think anybody really woke up. I mean, nobody mild mildly mildly woken up. Well, I think that that was impressive. I think that there's a lot of reasons to feel like maybe the Rick Devon strain little over hyped. This is a man who got voted out already is the guy who has voted incorrectly. Several times. So to to come out and say that this is a legendary player he has rarely voted correctly. Somebody who is just like the strategic mastermind of the season to come out with that take. I think is ridiculous. I don't I I don't think there's any universe in which that is the case. And this is somebody coming from both the interviewer and the interviewee in this case or both big fans of Rick Devon's the human being and enjoy him greatly as a narrator and certainly enjoy him greatly as a tribal council performer. I think that his tribe. Will council performances have been spectacular thus far. And I think an underrated skill of his is apparently activating ninja stealth mode borrowing. Couple of moves from from Wugang. Who was a was a big sign up the hedgehog fan. I believe and I imagine. Woo terrified like the rest of us about this current design of Sinek, the hedgehog. Yeah. With the realistic human teeth in the eyes, and the and the the legs and must be excited to hear that the creators of the upcoming science the hedgehog movie which had an incredible trailer released this past week with 'gangstas paradise by Coolio playing as the what was the connection there? There wasn't one as far as I can tell I think Amish paradise would have been just as valid as the actual straight up gangster's paradise. There's literally no universe in which gangster's paradise and sonic. The hedgehog have anything in common. So I think we would probably be psyched to know that they are going to redesign the sonic movie. That's what the director. I asked my wife about that. She said, well, they're both from the ninety s I guess that I guess that works at this is going to be like a movie that takes place in the nineties should have been set in the nine new. So what I really liked the end of the trailer when James Marsden goes into the lobby of some building that he and sonic need to sneak into and he has sonic locked up in a duffel bag and sonic is making noises inside alphabet and the person next to James Morrison says is that your child and their James versus and says, no, no, well, it's not my child. And so like the joke is that like he has a child in duffel bag, but it's actually just Sinek the hedge on is he just the go-to guy for working with like CGI creations. I think I think so it's hard to know if that's actually James Marsden, or if that is teddy flood the robot from Westworld, I think it's it's not impossible that they have least an animatronic a James Marsden. All right. I think we're. Let's get back. But I got this. I got this. I can come back. So so Josh you're clearly big fan at the sonic, the hedgehog movie trailer, your big and of Rick Devon's ninja standpoint. You also said that you are a fan. You will fan of Rick Devon's is tribal council performances and the answer is. Yes, I do not think that deserves a poop emoji. I think that Rick Devon's is performing rather well at tribal council as evidenced by the fact that people are laughing like lunatics on the jury, and I'm looking specifically at Kelly Wentworth, and here's a hot take. Josh. What's that? Joshua. What's the take take is that the way my laugh during the wand off is received by some people in the RA JP community. That's how I react to hearing Kelly Wentworth laugh, I think that Kelly Wentworth has the single greatest laugh in survivor history. This this is a take that I was reserving or the evolution of strategy volume. Four because I would definitely absolutely I've already forgotten, but you get a huge dose of Wentworth laughter in survivor. Bodey during the whole tuk tuk. The TOTO debacle with Keith nail. And she's just cracking up throughout the entire scene which. Alarming. There's three of us now. But her cracking up is underlying the entire tuk-tuks. And it's very very funny. And I encourage everybody to go back and watch those scenes if you have not already but hearing her laugh from the jury bench while potentially a line too far for jury interactively with the players, especially when the jurors themselves may be future players, at least one of them will be it's just so funny. It's very very funny to see Kelly Wentworth laughing, and if Kelly Wentworth ever goes back to survivor for or th time my advice to the people playing against her is to vote her out very early in the jury phase of the game. So she can be the mayor of Ponderosa and your goal from then sport should be to make Kelly Wentworth laugh a lot because if you become Kelly Wentworth favorite comedian in the game. She is the foreperson of the jury may be inclined to really sell you hard to the rest of the jury and that laugh is infectious and maybe everybody else will laugh as well. Need to take a breath. If you if you've got any thoughts that you can help me out. All right. Just to go back to Rick Devon's and his votes here in the post merge. Joshua. There have been seven votes a post merge. How many times has a Rick Devon's voted for the person who went home? Okay. So he got it wrong on can we do it vote by vote. It'd be more fun. If you just guessed the number, and then we. Oh, man. Okay. So there are seven Rick. Devon's nailed. It nailed it. I think that he voted in correctly at Joe. I think he did he vote right at Eric. I don't know, man. Let's just say three let's say three times got it. Right. Three times. Yeah. I don't know. Bad time with wiser -vivor Weiss Weiss, Rick Devon's has voted for the person who went home at the post merge. Trouble council, but he that in his favor. He is not made a lot of enemies, sending into the Jerry. You know, a lot of people have compared me to Rick Devon's in the recent past pin? Yes, your children, your children believe that Rick Devon's. And I are the same person. I feel like the Rick Devon's of podcasting right now, there's there's people who really liked the wiggle room. There's people who really liked the wand off often there's people who really don't and much like Rick Devon's I feel like somewhere earlier in the season. Like, I got voted out and came back into the podcast, and it's very hit or miss rate. Now, it's a journey. Yeah. Well, we spent so much time talking about Rick. I just feel like that. The the Rick backlash. I do think it's it's unfair. Because that Rick Devon's is not in a post production booth, and is not editing, these episodes. So I I also don't think that I got into a conversation on Twitter about this. Where that I think there's a thing the thinking that oh, the the other characters have great stuff and survivor is in giving it to us because they want us to like, Rick Devon's so much. And I find the mentally disagree with that. I don't think that if the show had great stuff great lines from the other players. I don't think that they I think survivor wants you to root for as many different people as possible. I don't think that they hold back the good stuff from people. So that you to try to make you root for one person. I think I think that this is such a complicated season. Obviously for a large amount of reasons that there is a fundamental format twist in the edge of extinction that to say that it's just like, you know, it's the equivalent of an exile island or redemption island. I think really doesn't do Justice to the weight of how much the edge of extinction changes survivor ream daily remains an active Orse in the season. And she was voted out three days into the season. She was voted out weeks and weeks ago, and she's the breakout character of the season level. On being an active part of the season. I think that between that being out there. There's you know, eighteen people who went out and played in sixteen of them in some capacity remain in the hunt for a million dollars. You have somebody in Rick Devon's who clearly there's a lot of story investment in. So there's a reason for that. Who knows what the reason is for that? Whether he he makes it all the way and wins this thing somehow improbably or he gets really close or he's going to get voted back out. And he's gonna get he's going to win his way back into the game. These are all options on the table. There's so many different masters that need to be served this season of survivor with such a limited amount of time with such a complex high concept idea that people who you like and want to see more of our just by design going to be seen less than maybe they would on a normal season. And maybe they have gold on the floor. Look. I saw gold happen in person when I was out there I witnessed, and it's a Rick Devon's moment eyewitness the moment where the war on the boat at the marooning identifies himself as the war dog and Rick Devon's immediately when asked for his name identify himself. He says awkwardly enough. I am also the war dog is the one of the funniest things I've ever seen in person witnessing any moment of survivor, and I've been lucky to win a few moments. There's gold on the floor. I do believe that. But it's hard to it's hard to blame. Well, it's it's hard to figure out where the blame lies. Could it be on some players just not really bringing it and confessional? I think in several cases, that's absolutely something that you can you can you can you can lay that at the of certain players, especially if they play in a way where they're not going to have massive impact on the overall story. They're just by necessity gonna need to get cut. But there are these other bigger picture ideas as well where the format has been changed. It's not a format change that. I really like. And this is a big reason why because. I think that by having so many different people still in the mix. You would think that means that you really know all of them like it means we'd know all of them a lot less than we would in a season where people are just getting naturally voted out on. So I don't know. I feel like Rick is is clearly he's a great narrator. He's he's he's a television personality by trade that's his job. So he knows how to speak to the camera, and he is currently the avatar of the season with the fact that he has been voted out already and came back in and is now in this underdog position within the context of the game. If not in the context of the story, so he's going to get a lot of heat naturally. And obviously he's catching a lot of heat online. And I will say that because I am so scattered brain with what I'm covering for work right now, I'm not able to pay as much attention to what's going on online right now as I normally do seems like on dodging a few bullets here because it seems fairly. Asti out there survived it. I mean, it's divided yet. But some of the just what I have seen some of the divisiveness seems like really really nasty. So if there's a season of survivor that I am admittedly half baked on and a little bit checked out on. I'm not mad that it's this one to be perfectly candid. Okay. So we saw Ron go home this week. Josh Ron was one of the better defined characters on this season. And I would love to get your take on eulogy presuming. He does not become the person to return from the edge of extinction on the Ron Clark story. Part two. I loved Ron, obviously, I was once again super wrong last week saying that I thought that Ron was actually in a pretty good position. I really enjoyed watching Ron on the season. I think of the people on the edge of extinction. I don't I don't know. I kind of like his shot to get back in both. Because I think that he still has some story left to be told. And I think that he is he's a talented. Challenge performer. He he had said to me in the preseason that he like memorized every single puzzle survivor has ever done. I don't know how true that is or not. But if there's like a major puzzle component to whatever mechanism to get back into the game. Lies ahead. I think especially run being early fresh off of getting voted out with a relatively full belly of food compared to other people's like being energized relatively recently, maybe as a little more fresh than some of the people out on extinction. So I don't know I could I could see us having Ron back in the game in a couple of weeks. He would definitely be on like the upper half of people to come back in. But I loved him. I loved I've loved seeing Ron play especially once he was kind of free from Mike the comma stuff and was able to play a little bit more loose. I definitely I definitely did. Enjoy a more, okay? Of the other five people, and there are still a five other people on this. Season in the active game. Besides Rick Devon's who are you most fascinated with with in terms of which one of these people has the most interesting story to you. Josh most interesting story to me is is hard to say, I I mean, I still really love the idea of Warren doing it for Wentworth being out there and kind of engine her friend, but the fact that she still has that immunity idol, and nobody seems to know about it, and the fact that she is fairly under the radar as far as threat goes makes me excited about like the prospect of how she can play that moment later on down the line, assuming she doesn't get caught. Which is another story point that could potentially be interesting depending on who comes back into the game. If Lauren is still there if that idol remains unplayed Wentworth, let the cat out of the bag that Lauren has an idol when she went over to extinction. She that's one of the first thing she says in that scene when she comes back. So I wonder if that's gonna play. So I think like the idol of it all surrounding Lauren. I'm very excited to see how that goes. If that goes off, that's a great point. And another person who am fascinated with as I said it before that I loved Aurora in the preseason and was very bummed that we weren't seeing her at all in the early stages of the season. And I have been very happy that we've been getting as much Rura as we have been getting in these past several episodes. I still wonder about like why did we not see her early on? Maybe there just was no story to tell there. But she has emerged as sort of the type of player that she kind of said she would be sort of like the I don't care. I'm not asking for forgiveness. I don't need. Any permission from anybody to play the way that I play her like not like doing any shame whatsoever about having gone through Rick's bag. I thought that was great a big gamble. The way that the extra vote was played that paid off that worked out. So I really like Aurora allot. She's one of the people on the show right now. Now that I'm I'm most amused by. I will also say that I really did enjoy the loved ones. Visit this time out. Why even I loved seeing the return of that challenge? The Donald Zain classic is is great. I really I loved Devon's and Becca Devon's as well. Shut up to the great wound off artists coming out and making her survivor debut, and Rick basically, knowing like, yeah, we're probably not gonna win this one. So maybe let's just like go, really, slowly and low key have family. Visit right now, I feel like I feel like that's that's that's probably a good way to play one of these family visits. You don't necessarily want to win. And you know, it'd be nice to get picked. But if you're not going to stand a great chance at getting picked, and if you don't want to win it, and you can kind of just like slow play the challenge, and you can kind of hang out with your left one. Do it that way that seemed like these deal? Yeah. I don't know. And also, obviously a loved ones was great for as much of the Bryce podcast. Yeah. I have a big treat waiting for me when I'm able to finish the rest. I was happy. They did something with the loved ones. And then went back to doing this challenge. But I felt like overall that without Colby fighting with his brother I felt like this was pretty uneventful in terms of what we're doing with the lodge ones. Well, I mean, it's existence is the ward knocks aside like the the existence of this huge sprawling loved ones visit alongside the fact that the edge of existence the edge of extinction rather also exists the edge of existence is what I am on. Currently I'm somewhere between existence and extinction. The fact that these things both exist on the same season. I think is a huge part of the reason why we don't automatically see edge of extinction this week because it's you know, there's just too much like you have to introduce all the all the different loved ones. You have to give everybody a moment you have to have this big challenge play out. And then you've got everything with Rick story about how he's going to, you know, get the idol how he is initially going to get played with the advantage menu. Which itself is going to get laid. And there's just no time for this other massive segment of the story, which is the edge of extinction. That's just not going to be able to be featured at all. So I think I think the edge of extinction. Just again, like, I think it's just it's too big concept. For survivor to be able to deftly execute in forty two minutes. It's not like Rick Devon's climbing up a tree in the middle of the night. It's not that limber. It's not that agile. I think the edge of extinct at the edge of extinction is a little weightier in that. And when you have something that is of that size narrative -ly, it's just it's going to be impossible to really do that Justice alongside speaking of loved ones to do to sister to do the do something sprawling as the loved ones challenge as well. Plus how how complex the game has just become anyway with all the advantages to keep track of and an underdog story having to be told. So there's just a even on a good day. Which clearly this is not for me. Even on a good day. I think that this season of survivors is really really hard to track for so many different reasons. Okay. Josh this week. We are going to get down from six to five presumably with the edge of extinction twist looming in the finale, at least that's how I see. Do you agree with all that we think that someone's going to come back this week? So I think that we are going to they're going to get word that the somebody's gonna come back next time out. And I think that we're going to open the finale same way we opened the merge episode. Yeah. That makes sense to me. It makes sense to me which means like could the winner not even be like inactive play until the finale is that possible. The winner of the finale not be the winner of the season. Is it possible that the winner of the season if that person is out at the edge of extinction right now and just numbers wise. The odds are in that favor. Would we not even see the winner until finale night like in the actual game proper? I suspect then this is my thinking if it's not Rick Devon's who goes out and comes back in. I think whoever goes out in this episode. We'll be the person that comes back in. I don't think that the person that comes back from the edge of extinction is currently on the edge of extinction. Interesting. Okay. Well, I think that's why I think Ron is somebody that I could see coming back from the edge of extinction, especially depending on how this next week ands out. You know, if he goes the way of war dog, and we don't see anything of Ron on the edge of extinction. Maybe I'm I'm not dealing so high on that chance, but if we get like a meaningful scene with Ron out on the edge of extinction than we had more than enough story from from Ron for him to be able to hop right back in without it feeling. To forced you know, what I mean, like he'll still be pretty fresh on the mind. But I do think that whoever else it could possibly be like it's got to be someone who is either relatively recent or somebody who was already a known quantity. Which is. I think a real argument in favour over returning player. Coming back like David has seemingly just like left. Yes. I could seem as David did. He raise sale. I mean, I don't know Dave when he really he really digits like find a cave out there and the rock somewhere, and he's like Tom Hanks like trying to like ice skate a tooth out or something like out with Wilson star DVD shelf. That's he learned that. Listen castaway was was filmed in that area. So I think that he he's hard for me to see Joe has been a little quiet lately as well. But he's just like that challenge favorite. And I feel like we've gotten a lot of really great Aubrey story. So I'm not out on Aubrey it. I still think that Aubrey has a shot here and Wentworth was eliminated recently enough and had a really big edge of extinction storyline a couple of weeks ago that you and I talked about at length that was really really nice and great, and I could see that coming into being more than enough. Plus like, the legendary quality of Kelly as a survivor player being enough that if she were to come back into the finale, you wouldn't blink like, it wouldn't be it wouldn't be thing. And then of course, the Queen rim daily who has been the star of the season. Should she come back that just works itself right out? Okay. All right. John. I agree with you. I think that will leave this week someone gets out voted out. And then the finale will probably open with the person from excision coming back into the game. We are going to head to the wand of anything else. You wanna say about the last week? Of survivor or as we head into the penultimate episode of the season on Wednesday. No, I apologize for being a little punchy and the tired slash wired version of of where I'm really just trying to survive. Here's what's going on. Okay. You're on the edge of extinction the edge of existence, and we appreciate you being here. Of course, some wand off. They're about to be getting played coming up here in a moment. But first, let me thank our sponsor for this edition of the wand off here in the wiggle room mother's day is coming up. It's on Sunday may twelfth. Have you gotten your mom something special? Yet, your mom is understanding about the whole game of thrones thing. Yes, she's been. 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Okay. Here we go. Josh. It's time for some one-off. Oh my God. This is this is what I have been. Yes, I'm deeply this is the errant Starbucks Cup that you've been looking for. I still can't believe that I believe that there is a coffee Cup. I'm game of thrones. All that money money. And you couldn't catch a fricking coming. Are you kidding? They need Stacy's mom on the set of game of thrones. Make sure coffee is getting not supposed to be there. Southern become and in in the Kombi Dorn. Yeah. Okay. I believe HBO officially said that it was it was an herbal tea that venereal areas. Yes. The barista the bold got the order. Okay. All right. Let's get into the wand off for this week. But first we have to look backwards to last week to see who was the big winner of last week's one in third place with the Bryce is Asia in spires one. It was mad from Waterloo with eleven percent of haute. Congratulations to. Met on a third place finish in second place. Alex g comes in with twenty four percent of the vote. And we have a new first time winner of Leo blue one bat tat, which is great because we're very short on the black one-off hats here is extremely yes. Here is the winner of the week number eleven at eleven one off, and it is Robin from Rochester talking about Rick Devon's. Then asking Google just what is the Leche Serie? Why would you yell? She's. As a super fan strategy is what I love. I'm not saying that golf's not agape people watch. But it's not one that I've find fun. Rochester. Congratulations of first time. One-off winter for episode number eleven course, Josh this week is the second to last week that people can win a spot into the coveted final wand off. It's come and tag for the jacket for the jacket. Yes. Everything for the Jack. It just stabbed that one off with a dagger and render the whole competition pointless. It is it is happening. We we're getting very very close to the final one off. And I can't wait to year which you got. Okay. It's gonna be exciting. All right. Very good. Let's bring in the host of the one-off who's had a bumpy ride this season. Hopefully, no problems today with this man the radio. Hall of Famer Casey Kasem him, rob. It's a pleasure to be back here with Josh Wigley on the wand off AC. It's great to see you. How are you? Josh. I've been inspired by your work. Am I Casey Kasem happy to be here? I absolutely am. Casey. Do we have some great one offs to play? Yes. We absolutely do. Where can we hear more about the wand off? Thanks, casey. We hear more on the robbers podcasts. Soundcloud, playlist compile by a great Randy nubile and available to the patrons of rob is a podcast at rob has a website dot com slash patron late Monday night. Definitely think of going insane. Think losing my mind. Josh you're talked about the agile Rick Devon's climbing up a tree, and that was a subject that many of the Wanda of artists were thinking about as well as we get into the episode number twelve one off we're going to kick things off here with Kyrie and Alex talking about what Rick Devon's had to do to get an idol. Yes. He's a news. His bag loves. Tony Kornheiser to he's a fun guy has clip. Freddie shirks in men. While he might be the pill. Now, he's. Two. With his. That was a classic from big, Tom petty. Nice. I thought that there is about to be a lyric about farm guy sixty-nine, and I misheard. Josh next up is big Irene and big. Irene was also talking about where the hidden immunity idol is found this week. Was. Everyone's hoping. I can't believe. Exaggerate. That was a duet from Kenny Rogers Sexton and Dahlie Neely pardon. That's a very unlikely. Humans extremely. Josh more on Rick Devon's and his hidden immunity idol and the two sides of Rick Devon's from Jason Lee. To the to lead to be secret. I'll go get it right now. Yes, I will. Yes. I will. People think maybe that I found the idol. I. Relation right now. I can. But I won't but I won't. All the peop- in consumer baggage. Or some kind of I'll play the menu that give into but it doesn't work because the big jerk. Did you just want to dry nicotinic stupid? So that my kids see this. Eighty. The idol for myself gyms. That was from the hit musical. Annie, get your cow ski gun. Get your cows. Not my Caskey. No, you're Caskey, always yours. Never mind. That was great. This is off to nominal start. Like a lot of. -vivor very good. They'll wand off is very heavily weighted about Rick Devon's. Yes. Next up on not sure why we got this wand off this week. But it's about some of my favorite quotes from the season. Here's Jacob and Liz. Play. All around the edge day bound down to clean rain. Those. Guide. Still camp is actually the king. Thirty three years old speaks throat. I. Bye. I. Kogel? Getting. Played. That was the group Sugar Ray, what was the lyric that was the refrain in the chorus icon EQ vocal fry. Vocal fry. Decide. I don't know why this week we got it. But we played it. It was getting played. It was getting played. I think that's that's probably your your your turn key right now, you wanna get played on the one, you're increasing. Your odds by dropping that you're getting play. Seems to seems to really tickle. Both Robin case. Next up. Here is rub Ekka from Seattle. And she's got a song all about the people on the edge of extinction. We. It's the. We got nowhere. Fill them treadmill. I can't show my friends. I'm attractive yet. When something occurs. Anything? League. Fine. Two. That was from the group chaos Kkesko. This is been a phenomenal honorable mentions. Not like, the wander off isn't always lit. But like any one of these songs it's been delayed so far could easily be a top five in another universe. This is tremendous Josh stuff. It makes my job as Casey Casom so difficult every week. I know I'm sure I I don't mean to set you up for for dragging. Get enough dragons right now at pineapple boy. That's right. But you're all marvelous this has been so or so far truly it's not often that we get a wand off that was collaborated on by a couple that's engaged. But that's exactly how we're going to close out the honorable mentions this week here is a long distance dedication from just east and will a all about the Queen extinction. Handful baby. And now that I'm just like and the kind of guy then no one Yang. On. Started out on the Joe now you with Joni clone I'm gonna MFN Jin with. Remember when they're close act like a mother that does not to get a macabre war dog. You will quickly discovered that you'll never win against them. One. What? Michelle never win a against. I don't have the energy to deal with fake. Gotta be with you about it. I feel about the season. Directly daily is a mood. She's an angel. That was Stocker swift. Man. All right. Josh, let's get ready for the top five songs here in one bats nation. Of course, you can vote all week long at rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda? That's before the tabulated comes in and council vote. And let us know who won the episode number twelve one off. Okay. Let's kick things off with the number one song here in one bats nation. It comes to us from DJ Figueroa macnichol, and it's all about the loved ones. Visit and how Jeff Probst response to it. Okay. Probst seem to know. What does that feel? We'll see Mary you ready. Trigger you at all when she drinks your son. And that he doesn't know where you are. In the form of. Their sister. Dynamic. As a wider. No. They care the dishes like it's blatantly obvious with love is. Siddeley? What is? Crew. Not see. See this not see. Relationship. Take. Armed with your partner. Knowing. That was from the croup Mike had away. Just very fun. When you. When you put it that way. Jeff seems to really does seem to understand the love as about as well as the understands mood, which is to say not well considering that he thought that the plate of nachos from day versus is it was the world's biggest plate of dodgers ever. Spectacular. Very very funny pizza does not assemble that way as a mountain. No. It's only one mountain that I've got my on right? It's coming always known. Josh next up is the number two song here in combat's nation. And it's another duet coming to us from Sarah and Lindell from Australia. God Lindell in the hunt, and it's all about what went on in the shelter in last episode. Thanks. She is. The. That was beautiful and powerful to wet from Saimaa, neca. Ed, Garfunkel, classics classic always has been. Great acoustic rock do next up. Here comes Justin all the way from Washington heights with a question. That's on every survivor fans. Mine this week. There's so Betty. About devon. Like him. Thought you were with. And. Then he made. What? Do like rig. Credit does. I know. Good. It to be secret. I'm gonna get right now. No. That was a beautiful song from Kurt Mitchelson. Brought the frog. Very all frog. The big frog that is one big frog. It's very dull frog next up. We've got one from Lara AD. And she's got a question that's on her mind after Aurora used her advantage this week. She she she. Sarah. Great question from the artist Gavin Whitson Houston. Good plight side, like a key. Good. Because it was stupid that transferable before so they fix your saying. They changed the rule. Yeah. Because they've because they go crap. That was stupid. We ruined season. It ruined. The and we have to change the narrative and CEO. But it was cool. Right. Because that was school that that happened. But it wasn't and it was stupid and fix the rule. Surrey got beat by a bunch of rules. Really one dumb one. I mean, it was the rule. So it counts and good for Troyes pointing it out. But like, no one narc, you know, I. But it was stupid. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 12 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 12 Recap

"Smart guys. Break it down. Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all Zavod. Game. Yes. That's a right. Stephen fish back here. We are this -vivor knowing all's are back again to get Cam. Oh my God. They're back again, another persona of survivor, the edge of extinction and tonight, Ron Clark is the latest person to go to the edge of extinction. We are here to talk about it all here with you live. How are you holding up? Rob. I know you're a big Ron Clark fan looked Ron Clark was a great character on the show. We'll talk about where he might have gone wrong. Everything was coming up Ron Clark earlier in the night. But unfortunately, there was a countermeasure. And ultimately that he was the one who ends up going home after Rick Devon's plays his idol. And I'm looking forward to breaking it all down here with Steven fish back. Who's back on the mend after shoulder surgery last week look at him. And his perseverance doing it all for you. Just podcasting. You don't really use your arms that much to podcast to be fair. It's not a very Armand. Listen for anybody who is questioning, Stevens perseverance. I saw him put his ear buds in and untangled them with one hand tonight. Really? It was one of the most moving and motivational things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. I mean, everyone knows how how dexterous I am as a rule. So it was as always a living up to that to that level of X, Terry. I was shocked by Ron earlier in the episode. He said he was the one in control. And you know, when someone says there were controls I've ever you've got to believe them if they know. I'm kidding. Because just the death. But it took a while to alternately bite Ron Clark as he goes out here, and we were down to six before we get down to five and then probably back six again here as we can't down the edge of extinction. Lots to do here tonight already busy night for me, Steven that I took over these survivor Instagram, and I was Instagram ING awake watching on the survivor Instagram account, had my wife and kids helping me with with that. And that was you know, anytime you get to work with your family. It's a joy who's the most helpful family member. Dominic was he was the most cooperative of the family members. He was he was legitimately pumped up to do it. And he was the only one except for me. And it was a lot of fun. Check that out. Of course, we are also going to be on a right after the episode. We're going to switch over to fan credit the credit app fan cred dot com to download call in and talk. The Stephen fishbach and myself for thirty minutes after the episode starting at ten fifteen pm tonight. You can go ahead and get on fan credit and get ready for us and then on the fan line, call in and talk live with Stephen fish back and myself at ten fifteen hashtag RHA to get your tweets into the show here tonight. Got some great podcast coming up as well. Dominic in Kellen from ghost island or going to join on the real tomorrow together yet to fun. Yes on that'll be a lot on to get into everything with them. And then the purple pants bad ass. Price is AM will join us. For this week's feedback show and Liana Boris will join us on this week survivor this week so jam packed week a podcast yet. Wow. That's that's that's pretty big. That's a big week too. Big week. Okay. Yeah. Stephen, let's talk about a what happened here because I feel like that there were sort of like a two reads on this episode tonight. Right. Well, I I also the one read is that Ron shouldn't is I'm trying to guess what you're saying is the one read that right? Ron screwed it all up by taking. But by by winning the the loved ones reward, he alienated Lauren and Victoria. And that was his downfall. What's the other read? No. That wasn't really major part of it. May mean Donaldson is show. Dammit, read, of course, the challenge from heroes versus villains. But it's almost like that you watch this episode, and it's like damn Rick Devon's. Well, he did it again. But meanwhile, yes, he did save himself from elimination, but all of the heavy lifting for the elimination of Ron Clark was to the players that probably end up getting a lot more credit tonight. Yeah. I mean fishy for Victoria, you all Victoria's a long-term favorite of mine. And I think that. Ron enjoy just assumed that the default plan would be Aurora because they were saying roar because Aurora was the default plan always. And I think as soon as you get locked in on a planet opens the door for other people to make a move and Victoria had that great great remark. Like, I wanna be the one who's choosing who goes home, not not rake like we should just like wait to see who Rick votes for let that be the determining factor here at the final eight. So from her perspective, I thought it was really great to plan on insurrection a little bit of confusion with the votes for those who are curious and missed it. So Gavin Gavin voted twice Gavin did use Aurora's extra vote. So two of the Ron votes from Gavin Lauren also voted for Ron Rick voted for Aurora and then Julie, Ron, Victoria. And who I missing Julie around Pretoria and someone voted for. Voted for Rick. So Rick did have four votes, and he would have gone home. Aurora Aurora is the last person. So Rick Aurora. Nope. Sorry, Ron Julie Aurora, Victoria voted for Rick. And when I thought was incredibly genius about this is that Victoria, who came up with the plan to blindside Ron is voting for Rick. So she's actually voting with Ron and Julie. So in the case that Rick doesn't have an idol. And Rick does go home. She hasn't pissed off. Ron and Julie it's Gavin and Lauren who pissed off. Now does this now end her streak though, Stephen voting for the person who went home every single time? Do you still she came up with a plan? It was her. It was her plan. Yeah. Interesting. And I thought that this might have been victorious best episode of the series for me, maybe revolt as still might be tops. But this was probably, you know, one in one b yeah. I again, I think she's she's such as player it's weird. Because like she. She feels under edited. We don't like talking about the. But like she just like, she should be a bigger character almost and she is, you know, there's like eight people left she's played such a smart strategic game. And maybe I can't like tell I just like a big fan. And I want to see more of the character. I'm rooting for or or do you think that that we should have more Victorian than we do? I don't know. I mean, I feel like that. She's probably played a social game and has not been overly strategic with the other players where she seen somebody who just sort of like piles in on the last second that we've seen her that's been very strategic has been sort of one on one in confessional. So I don't necessarily what what more there would be to show. I don't know. Just just you know, some mustache twirling scheming being being diabolical. We had some great confessionals harder in the vote about you know, nobody should trust her. She seemed like a big fund character. I'm interested to know, Stephen. So that after this vote how? Do you think that this next round of voting goes that it probably is going to be the vote? They can Rick Devon's again, who's on like, a maybe a dream Bergen Esca trajectory at this point. I mean, it really does seem like the only way Rick is going to win as if he wins out. And although although actually he really just has to win until the edge of extinction person comes back because then that person will be a bigger target than he is. I think that he could get voted out next week and then be the edge of extinction person. Again, that would that would be amazing the double resurrection that would be the true well before so there is some precedent for that. And also amazing race Victor did the same feat in big brother eighteen but for Rick Devon's to get voted out and come back in. I guess it'd be the equivalent of having immunity for the final six. Yeah. That's right. That's right. The final six again. But but so, yeah, he he's he's he's he's got a really long. Road ahead of him. He really has to basically went out whether that's through losing and then winning his way back or just winning consistently or through some some great idol play. And you know, we talked about it a little bit with Nick last season. It's a little bit easier now to do that with fire making challenge being being there. Right. He would still need to get through three rounds. One way one way or another where he has to get through six and five and then he's in it potentially at four. I don't know if Rick Devon's is going to be a natural at the fire making. I guess he could also lose it six come back. But then he has to survive six at some point. Well, but also even just the politics of the fire making I do feel no one's going to take Rick to go with them. So maybe that's not the case. But the edge of extinction factor does seem to help him. If there is it's sure seems like the jury is rooting for Rick Devon pretty openly. Don't like I mean was wild that scene in the jury. It seems like that Ron was very unpopular with the jury. I saw even Kelly wear worth cheering at what Rick Devon's was able to do. Yeah. I mean, it seems like everyone was was team. Rick, and I do think thinking about the jury for this season. I do think I was talking about earlier with calling stone like how is the edge of extinction effect, the jury's perspective? And we were kind of saying that, you know, because you know, at Ponderosa when you're at ponder OSA. You have the ability to kind of go off yourself, you're eating food. You're engaging with your own activities. You're listening to music you're reading a book. So you're like, you're like more establishing your own identity away from the group, but they're living. You know, when you're living altogether at the edge of extinction. I really think as much as group think is a huge part of every survivor season with the jury. I think it's going to be an even bigger part this time. So I'm not surprised that they're all kind of like they've all kind of glommed onto one person whom they're all rooting for. Yeah. It's interesting that that's the case. I think that something that we talked about a lot coming out of survivor thirty five with sort of the idea of a lot of theatrics at tribal council, and how much that impacts the jury because that's what the jury gets to see as opposed to somebody walks in like Chrissy walks into the like, oh, Chrissy one immunity again. Okay. All right. Well, we didn't see that. But here's you know, Rick Devon's plays the fake advantage that Ron gave him, you know, really rips into Ron and Julie in front of the jury, then wallah, here's a real idol. I'm playing this tonight. You know, the jury is going nuts in terms of the idea of your resume. What what what is the jury seen stuff? Like that. Rick Devon's has been. Probably the best person on the the entire cast at that. And I don't think it's close in terms of theatrics at the tribal council that have been affected and also seemed to have resonated with the jury. Yeah. Obviously that speaks to his incredible poise on camera. Right. Just from his his training. And this this being his profession, whether he's learned those skills because professional his profession because he's in great at that. And just kind of really able to think on his feet quickly. But, but he really does is able to milk every moment like that great lines. And what was it? We're like he was like let me I could end all of the speculation. But I'm not going on. Yeah. Because I'm having a lot of fun. It was just such a great. You know, he really like is timing is just so so on point people who really I tweeted today about how much I love RIC Evans, I certainly heard from a lot of people who feel otherwise the things that I love about. Yeah. Yeah. Expressing any sort of preference in any capacity. But I think the people who don't like him. And it's the great thing about a being human. We can all we all have different things. But. The great part way. Unlike senses, smells, tastes beauty. Those are the that's all good talking to you. Couldn't do it. If I were a cow guy. All right. So moving forward from this moving forward from this. So Rick Devin seems like he is Dead Man Walking. But also feels like that there is more to him. He's yeah. He is like his he still seems like he has a destiny in this game. Yeah. It doesn't. I mean, it's hard to say with someone like Rick because he's so he's so funny, and he just gives grace such great sound bites. It's like how much of his story is just you know, is is like this like destiny that he has versus like how much is that? He's just a phenomenal character. And you would always give that guy airtime. Yeah. It's just compared to the other five people who Ron Clark was the other person who was on the show where we've seen a lot of him the other five people that are in contention Julie Aurora. Victoria, Lauren and Gavin are people that we really have not gotten to know well over the course of the season. So it really is. Maybe who Aurora Aurora. Yeah. I mean, we've hardly seen that. I mean where Rick Devon's is one of the most visible people from this season. And the other five are all people who have been, you know, certainly in the bottom half of visible characters in the show. Yeah. No, it's true. It's I I do think Aurora has gotten a little bit more over you know, over the past couple of of weeks. But it is really true that all of the basically all of the high profile characters have now except for Rick have now have now left the game. Yeah. So it's like, it's you gotta wonder I mean, I guess next week has got to be all about Rick. And then you get the finale, and whatever happens happens. They're seeing about Ron Clark a couple of things I guess we we need to touch on the family visit. But before we get there. Let lemme ask you about Wayne in the opening of the episode run gave his expired idle Menuires advantage menu to to Rick d think that that was a good move. What did that by Ron? I mean, Ron's logic in that moment, right? Is I'm going to Rick will be RIC will rest easier. If he feels like he has an idol that to me. I don't think that's fair. That's false. Right. If Rick thinks he has an idol, maybe he will be less likely to go looking for an idol, therefore. Will be less likely to find an idol, and therefore he will be easier to eliminate now that obviously ended up not being the case. But if you're on survivor, and you have a any slight edge. Why would you not use it? So so the one big reason not to use it as the reason that Rick basically said like why humiliate me when I'm on my way out the door. Not just because it's like a mean thing to do because like you're sitting someone to the jury after humiliating them and making them super salty about it. I don't know. I'm on the fence. I mean does the pro and the con. Yeah. Probably I'm sorry. This the kind of appropriate of the con is the pro. Yeah. I don't think there's that much to to gain from it. I can stand corrected. We have seen people use fake idols in in various ways. But it was in the came up last season as well with Angelina. And where she she ended up planting the fake idol with Allison. It was one of the reasons the Allison was especially annoyed. She felt like that. Tanja Lena was trying to embarrass her in the in in the same way. Angelina did not feel like that. That was the case. So I I don't know necessarily, you know, we saw it with Nick and Christian as well where it ended up then working to some degree. We're Christian did not end up going to look for because he thought that Nick had found the other idol, but ended up creating distrust between Davey and Nick last season's. I I it's you really playing with fire with that stuff. Yeah. And it does seem when you're out there and you're playing the game. Like, you're kind of having fun with it. You know, the instinct to do it is very very cute. I get it. Like, it's kind of like a fun little devious thing to do. This our days. But I think that Rick Devon's also probably, and maybe he did think this, and we and we didn't see it in the episode. But I think that if you're Rick Devon's and run has given me an idol advantage for no apparent reason. He voted more dog out. And there's no good reason. Why he did this? I think that Rick. If you really thought about it could deduce this is a trick. Right. And he did seem to be pretty suspicious about it. I mean, even in that moment, he said there's zero reason for onto give this to me very acutely aware of that. And then later on he says, if this is a real thing from Ron he he asks Ron and Julia again by the well like is this really real? So it seems like he doesn't totally by it. And obviously, you know, smart move for him to play that first and see what happened before playing his other thing. But you know, Rick voted roar. Rick went with Ron's plan. So he was giving the benefit of the doubt as well. So it was his, you know. Trust. But verify. Okay. So in the family visit is it as simple as to say, Ron Clarke should not have won that family visited is it back on board with this is not been something that has come back to bite anybody in a while. Survivors have no business winning the family reward. This is such a hard thing. Right. Where it's like, you're you have so much emotional stakes tied up in seeing your family member not to mention just winning winning any reward is so useful. I have I am typically in favor. I know that everyone says like this sort of generic strategic advice is you shouldn't win. You shouldn't try to win ROY. I don't really buy that. But I do think with family visit because it is so personal and people just take it. So personally, you know, it's it's did Ron go home because he won the family. Visit I don't know. But it makes it that much easier for both Lauren and Victoria to say to say his name when when after he doesn't doesn't take them. What do you what's your take care of? I don't think we've seen it burned. Somebody in quite some time. I'm trying to think of the past winners of the, you know, the family reward, and you know, who they've selected. Well, I mean ended up. Yes. That was the one where I mean. But that was survivor twenty six I mean, this is twelve seasons ago. And maybe there's another person along the way, I know they haven't had it necessarily every single season. But it does seem as though and maybe the check in points. It's been a minute since it really burns somebody. Yeah. But I think it could in subtle ways to remember in Cambodia the three people who didn't go on the families or the final three. And I don't think that's relevant. You know? I think it just really reinforces that bond with the people who are left behind. Yeah. 'cause they're so salty, and we talk constantly about how winning a reward doesn't really win. You anything from the people you take. It's not like it's only bad for the people you leave behind. It's rare that people actually feel gratitude from your taking. That's a great point about Gavin where I do think that one of the. Miscalculations that Ron made was you know, that if I if I do certain things for people there will be a quid pro quo and by taking Gavin. He says it was not about the honeymoon for Gavin. It was about I need to keep Gavin on board with the plan. And so by taking him on the reward, that's what I'm doing. And then by the end of the episode that the Gavin is using how how many different votes two votes against two voting votes against Ron Clark, by the way, just as an aside. I like Aurora giving Gavin the extra vote because he's the only one like it's a little bit gilding the lily. I thought like why not just give it to Victoria, like, no one's voting for Victoria. You know, she's not the target. It just seemed like a lot. I mean, I guess with survivor you always wanna be like quadruple serve your plan. But it just seems like a little bit like an unnecessary. Flora in crimes of the math of it. How many votes did they need? It was also that this was the last time that Aurora could use that extra votes. So maybe this was a little bit of like the person with the hammer. Everything looks like a nail exactly why not why not use it basically is right because I know this is very confusing this vote. So there was only gonna be what one Rick Devon's vote. So wouldn't two votes against Ron had done the trick. Yeah. But you know, you never know for sure like maybe want maybe like because Ron things everyone's voting. Roar for Rick Keith those another vote on a Rura, you know, you never know for why not take that extra level of precaution. But doesn't then on the tiebreak everybody. Then. I guess they would vote out Aurora over on the tiebreak. Well, the tie-break. No, I think I think the numbers would because obviously if the tie who's who's the tie between in this case, Rick and only if written idle, so then it would be if there was two votes on a rower and two votes on than the other five people would get to vote, and they would all vote for Ron, right? Everyone would Veron except for Julie. Okay. Because obviously recruit over so that I mean, that's the point that they didn't need as many votes. Yeah. But they got the vote. Why not why not I guess? Home advantage in their pocket. That's it especially when they could've play. Rank these players, I know that might be arbitrary and reductive. But if you if you could of of the foursome of Victoria Aurora Gavin in Lauren. Yeah. Do you feel particularly strong about any of the four? You know, the, you know, the answer Victoria's number one. Oh, yeah. I think like cans down victorious, she might be playing the best, but I don't know necessarily if she is necessarily I don't see her necessarily in the final three, do you? I should have asked you what the question, I guess who's like who has the inside track to this thing. Like, I still feel like Devon's is gonna get there somehow. But I I don't know who else is there. So you're you're like saying, okay. So this is not who's playing the best game. I mean, I've thought that Aurora really could be finalised here. I've long thought that Julie might be a finalist. She get absolutely Julie could absolutely be a losing finalist. I think that would make a lot of sense. I don't think I doubt Victoria's making the finals in factor sort of under edited persona kind of matches up with people who go out and five in the five or six of Dr Alison that kind of like like goodbye goodbye finale. Yes, she might lose the fire making or she might be the first person out in the finale just that person. Who's like, we can't really give this person a big story. Like, a big big, farewell. I come. I if if I was getting like a million dollars to like pick the call the final three right now. I would really struggle with it. Yeah. I mean, I would think Devon's just, but he really who knows? I really could see Julia Julia and Aurora in who who's voting Julie like who's gonna vote. She could be if Devon's wins immunity that she would be the easy. Target to go home next time. I guess so. But then why I if she was with Ron she was wrong. She was Ron's person who's who she connected to. But these players have never made that they've. They've never they've they don't ever vote together. Twice in a row if anything Devon's in Julie should work together now moving forward. And they've said they were connected at the merge. Maybe they maybe they could sort of pair up and figure something out. And maybe, you know, get that four of the four under edited people Lauren Kevin, Victoria and Aurora vacant split split that four into. Yeah. I mean, I think after night that's probably a long shot after Nevins deeply betrayed Gavin's one. I think what to immunities and he's been right there for a bunch of them. Yeah. But, but I mean, you know, basically saw Devon Devon's like calling out what a what a to face liar Julia's in front of the whole jury. I'm not sure if there's much much opportunity for trust between those two right now this season has been so weird where it's we we saw the last straw council where war dog. About how him in him in Ron Clark where you know. They were the people that they deserve all the credit for getting Kelly out of the game. And I felt like I don't know if it was Ron's decision. I really feel like that the votes weren't there to keep war dogging the game at that last travel. So Ron went along with. But I felt at the time. I don't love where Ron is in the game. Because I think that he's sort of been sort of a presented as the biggest threat out there in the game in the way that this post merger is gone. Every time somebody sort of revealed as the biggest threat, that's the next person to go home and other than Rick Devon's. I don't know who the next person who is who is the biggest threat. Yeah. I mean, I think it's Rick is gonna be the biggest threat probably will go out next week unless you know, unless he gets some magic power from edge of extinction. I mean, he could he's he's been good in the immunity challenges and communities fishing finding the idol now. So he has he has a lot of outs. Yeah. He's got some out for sure for sure. And. Then whoever comes back from edge of extinction is the biggest threat, right? So so that's you know, it's it's whether or not they get Rick out. Rick is the biggest threat next week in such a week. It will be Rick and the person from more just the person for Mench. Who also might be Rick. But yeah, I mean, it's true that you know, there really hasn't been a alliances. It really is the inverse season to go silent wearing ghost island. You've just had so many people protecting the two most dominant players who just were never in danger at all and this season. Anyone who shows even a small soup song of dominance is immediately voted out? Yeah. Okay. You're trying to get me to start googling things as doing the podcasts. So so I don't know. I mean, you know, in terms of who's I don't see I don't see. I mean, Lauren has a lot of quotes about fire. And so it's very I don't know if that's. One about her dad. They're gonna couple tonight. She said something like it's so much better by the fire, and they like subtitled it, and it was very strange. Words, nobody was such a nothing quote in look like nine times out of ten this sort of stuff doesn't lead anywhere. But it was just such a weird, quote for them to subtitle that I thought like there has to be some kind of significance of this could see her either winning or losing farming. Yeah. Let me ask you. We didn't go to the extinction again tonight. What did you think about that? Did you miss the edge? Did you miss seeing? Oh my God. Oh, we will promise. You're you're going to get it tomorrow. At the end of last episode. We're not gonna see anything from Sedgwick stink tion next week. Yeah. I was you're going to get it in the morning. I was looking forward to that. But I do like that reim- gets now. It's the final word on every episode. I liked that that the the new thing. Yes. That's good. I was glad that don't call me a sadist. But I was glad that they did not get a loved ones at the edge of extinction. Oh, yeah. No. That would have been. I I there was there would have only been one person. Oh, you think they should would've flown all the loved ones? Because they in the original redemption island season, they did have like at least like the possibility of the people on Brampton island getting their loved ones. Visit. I'm glad that that was not on the table. Yeah. I agree. It's supposed to be like the extreme of human suffering. And it's already seems like summer can't. It'd be worse if their family members were showing. Okay. All right. We're going to get to your questions. I let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor here. Tonight mother's day is around the corner. Stephen and Sunday may twelfth. And if you haven't gotten your mom something special, yet, do we see any mom's on the loved ones? Visit. I think it was a no mom. No mom, look visit. Yeah. It was dad dad. Lots of Gad's don't be like survivor and forget all about the mom's day is coming up with flowers and friends of the show from you. Flowers dot com has a fantastic deal right now for the rob as a podcast listeners. 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CVS failing him takeover your Instagram. Oh boy. Oh my God. This this. Ream you're getting played Iran. Clark. All right. We don't we is this. How many of these is this what like most evenings are like in? The sister, Nina household, like mister Rogers casts. What do you what do you want? What do you? What are you doing in my in my spare time? Okay. I didn't think that. I really didn't. Yeah. Who do you need David Wright like here here? Give me a good one. I want good. You wanted to see David Wright tonight. This is what he looks still looks like. Okay. All right. Okay. I Jame says so what do you think of Ron's master plan to get Devon's out that you re with him about where he said he'd lost sight of the million in order to get Devon's out. Or no was Devon's the right target for Ron Clark. Well, Devon's is. I guess the only argument against Evans is keeping Devon's in. The game is protection for Ron. Which is true. But also, you know. Everyone wanted Devon's out. Right. I mean, it would have been a pretty tough sell for for Ron to be like is what we really I guess, I guess he was pushing the Aurora vote pretty hard to. I don't know. What do you think? Rob. Well, it does seem like, and I don't know if they'll be anything to take away from this for future survivor seasons. But anytime, it's an easy vote. It does seem like that idle hands hands come into play where well this is too easy of vote. We need to, you know, get bored. I need to make a Mark here. And so every time it's like Devon's was the easy target and Devon's was not a great target. Because it seemed like there was a lot in the either about that Devon's could have an advantage. Like people seem like pretty adamant that like almost every person in the game felt like well, we need a plan b because Devon's might have something up his sleeve. Yeah. I mean. It's hard because someone like Ron has has. Backed himself into a corner. Or actually he hasn't even backed himself into corner. He's been backed into a corner because all of the bigger the other players have been eliminated by his own alliance. And so like when Ron and Julie were betrayed by. Julia Gavin, and Victoria, it really looked like they were sort of out of luck on the show and actually sense that vote had a pretty stellar comeback. Right. Where it's been three. It was immediately. After that, it sure looked like the less who's had a pretty big numbers. They had sort of tied up the numbers and then one two three three less who's gone so kudos to the commas for getting their act together. Once you know after after that total screw up at the start of the of the merge at this point in the game. I don't know what Ron. Back to serve Rick Evans, because I thought that that was miraculously that Rick Devon's was able to scale the roof at shelter while everybody was sleeping, and then pull this off and get this under. Everybody's knows. I mean that, you know, sometimes, you know, that the tin foil hat Twitter will say like, oh that he just found that that idol. Oh, isn't that? Isn't that a coincidence that he founded on idle? I mean, this was not a cheapie for Rick Devon's here tonight having to scale, and it's also like it's dark. You know? It's not like you can see kind of where you're going. It is pitch black on those long nights. And there's no there's no lighting right to camera light is for red, right? Which is why it so it's not like you're seeing through the from the camera light. So he is scaling this tree in the night. Who knows what like? Critter is dangling in that tree. I mean that was that was a pretty pretty bad ass. Idle. Idle snack. I only wish that maybe. I hope nobody gets hurt, but Rick Devon's could've fallen through the roof of the shelter. And then only. Yeah. Well, now, I can call you say that. Who laid man would do. That's that's a spirit animal. Okay. Maybe hold the item on the way down bust through the roof. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Some more questions. A why is do you feel like there's anyone on the edge of extinction who actually has a legit chance of coming back and making a run at winning. They're starting to feel more and more like a regular jury now rather than a place threat could come back from in gave Stephen are are your fishy. Senses. Tingling that somebody on the edge of extinction has a chance to come back. I mean, you look at who's there, you have some, you know, you've got Chris you've got Joe you've got Kelly Wentworth, you know, David Wright. A does extremely well. And all these challenges you have people there who do very well in the challenges. And I would not be at also whoever wins that challenge. You know, depending on what it presumably it's not gonna be like a slide puzzle. It's going to be a pretty tough congress where Aubrey was trying to get on tangles. That's right. She's been she's still practicing how how long does she get the practice? I know still on this show. Right. She's there. But I mean. So so. Well, yeah, why haven't they haven't seen these people? Yeah. Yeah. She gave she gave Kelly big hug last week. Okay. Very emotional. It's all happening. Okay. What about Kieran, Stephen? Karen wants to know will the extinction island dual occur on finale night. Probably. Yeah. I mean, I think that we basically we have one more week. Then it's the finale we'll we'll vote we'll go from six to five next week. And then we will have the edge of extinction. I think kick off the three hour finale. Yeah, I agree. I think that'll be the star than you know, immediately vote. So it's six that's so the extinction person whoever comes back from extinction has to get votes and then fire making. Yeah. If they come back with an idol boy would that be irritating. It would be it would be something. It would be something. Now. Could it be another piece of an idol? Could it be something? But yeah, I think that you look you come back at six you gotta figure it out. Yeah. Okay. I really hoping. That's I don't know how it would be able to conceive of the season of the extinction person one. Because it's like what was the point of the whole. I guess it depends on that. I went out if so someone like someone who goes out fifth, and then they come back. They were still a big part of the anyway. Yeah. Look they have to they have to also then do something when they come back in. Yeah. They're still get through a couple of these votes. Yeah. So I mean, the worst case scenario is a person comes back, and then they win immunity. They went immunity, they make the fire. And then they and they win. That's not great. Right. No. I mean, that's that's the nightmare for this this because it's like, then it's just then it's just you know, there was an entire season of survivor, and it meant nothing, you know, all of all it just all came down to a couple of obstacle. Right. I'm trying to remember Ozzy come back at six, and then he won immunity. It's or do you back and it five I feel like he came back, and he definitely lost the final four. He won the final five challenge. So that would mean he came in at six because I do think he won one. He was way back in. He think he wanna challenge. Jumped to four than Ozzy came back in at five and then one of them wanna challenge he came back into five. He won the challenge to four. That's exactly right and loss of. All right. Let's get some more questions in. Okay. Why are there any possible goats left in the remaining contests? This is one of the few times. I think everyone left is made us move where they could make a significant run at the final tribal council seeing. This is interesting because we talked about this on the show last week of goat's. Oh, it's the goats versus pilots, and oh so many goats. I don't know if there's one person that is a guaranteed loser. In the final three. Yeah. I don't think so either. I mean, I think if you're looking at their resume it's from what I mean Lorna seem to make the fewest moves of that of that group, although that's not actually true and Lauren's done. She was a huge part of the less alliance which really did did some damage at the at the at the merge. Yeah. I think every single person has really got problem. We'll last two weeks where that group has really been I think sort of the deciding factors these last two weeks that I to me it's been so split among them. Like, I know you assign the most agency to Victoria here. But Lauren did a lot and Aurora did a lot and Gavin did something so totally this is really it's hard to sort of like pick one of that four and say this was one hundred percent there move sort of in the way that the war dog got all the credit on the Kelly Wentworth vote, even though the war dog vote where? You had where Lauren was saying that it was it was her move. You had Julie talking about the eight needs to be war dog Aurora and Victoria were in there too. So a gathering wanted blood from more dog for that whole episode. So it has been very hard out of that group to pick one personnel where we sort of say like this was their move these last couple of weeks, and I do think that most survivor votes are really consensus votes. It's mostly things that happen through conversation. You know, I never realized subscribe to the idea that just because someone says a name I that they are the one who actually makes vote happen. It really is all about sort of like who can muster the the social forces. But, but you know, I I agree especially, you know, we haven't seen. It does seem like every one of them is really an active player and a really engaged players. So yeah, I agree that it doesn't seem like there's any real goats left in the game. And yeah. Interesting. Okay. All right. Let's do one or two more questions. Thomas has a question was Devon's performance to dramatic. Or was it just what the jury wanted to see. I mean, did you see the reaction from that jury? I mean. Julia was Lansing. Yeah. I mean, I really do think that the the jury likes their board right there the tribal councils like their big adventure. Like, it's where they and so like keep them entertained, even it's not just the players getting the jury's getting out of their seats and dancing. Yeah. Well, it was. I think of at the celebration. Like, I thought it was a little unseemly a little too much. Well, you have a huge group. Now. It's getting rockets. I guess so I guess they're probably. Yeah. Yeah. A nine person jury, which is like a bigger jury voted in either of our first seasons. Right. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's as big a jury Intel, I think that the until Cambodia was the biggest jury the jury now, I think is equal to that of Cambodia, and we still gonna put three more people on. Chris Stephen survivor is like a pinball machine now survivors like a pinball machine. It's like a roulette wheel being do. Segment. Engines e what pinball is I don't know. That's a good question. Probably is survivor like pinball. No. I mean, you can make an you. I guess so Nikki wants to know who's most likely to join a Rick. Julia Lien's and make the next tribal. Interesting. Can you see any of the the I'm trying to think of a word to describe them, the the the under edited four is there one of them that could flip to go to join Rick, and Julie I mean, maybe Aurora Aurora has seemed to be the most independ-, you know, the most sort of Iran her in her Julie have no love loss. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. But I don't I don't think Rick Julie thing would happen again. Like like, Julie deceived ring, and Rick is not like, I mean, I it's it's not chess pieces, and Rick especially as someone who takes things personally. He's like an emotional guy. I thought Tory are connected now. Yeah. It seems I I'm with you. I'm with you on. Okay. All right, Scott to another. All right. This'll be the last question, and we'll wrap things up either Lorna, Victoria need to eliminate each other due to having similar under the radar strategic games or can either one point two spirit moves in order to win think that's getting too cute. Lauren and Victoria. Yeah. I don't know. I think that you know, from the perspective, maybe they seem to us. But from the perspective of the other players like I think they probably have like dramatically different relationship. You know, like one was on less and has a great story there about being in the underdog alliance and the other was you know, kind of dodged down you've offered at Lord's. Forget lords Jordy. Yeah. So I think that actually they they are, you know, have pretty different stories to tell even though they sort of ended up in a kind of similar condition right now. Right. Let's start to wrap this up. And then Stephen, and I are going to take your calls over on fan credit. You wanna get on fan credit dot com and get the app, you can do so news a f- Woodstock fifty cancelled Stephen fishbach, I know was already planning on being out there. This August in upstate New York. Stephen I'm sorry to say Woodstock fifty is cancelled. 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Survivor 38 Episode 13 Feedback with Mike Bloom

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Survivor 38 Episode 13 Feedback with Mike Bloom

"Yeah. Live from my apartment. It's has a podcast. And now, here's a guy who hates slime more than Aurora hates word puzzles. I am rob sister, Nina everybody and welcome back to rob has podcast in here. We are final feedback show of the season. And we have a good one because we are very excited to have back here with us and we've done this many seasons now in a row for the final feedback show the season he is just back from paternity leave as that. He is a new dad here, and hopefully will not have slime at his house for many years. Please give it up for Mr. Mike blue. I don't know if you remember changing newborns diapers raw. But there is a lot of slime involved. Yeah. Yeah. The viscosity is very close to it. So we're not exactly, you know, running it all over kids hands. But it's texture that I've been used to in the past week. Okay. All right. That guy that got real that got graphic and anyway, Mike, welcome back to the survivor feedback show. Happy one week birthday to young Asher bloom. Thank you very much Ascher, James bloom. He was supposed to be due on may fourteenth day before the edge of extinction. Finale. But from what I'm thinking when last Saturday may fourth happened. You know, it was free comic book day. It was the Kentucky Derby were a horse like pull the Ben Browning and got disqualified of nudging and other force and its course Star Wars day. So you said, you know, what let's add another dot to that bulletin list. And he came out a bit early. But it's been it's been absolutely fantastic. And I just wanna say the top I want to thank everyone profusely for all the wellwisher. It has been such up and down experience like a roller coaster ride at DisneyWorld as given with allude to people wanna wonder how fatherhood or if other hood has profoundly affected me don't worry within the first few minutes of meeting my child in the nursery, my pants did accidents fall down. So it's safe to say. Pants fell down. I live Bronx backup. Exactly your things. Does. I don't know if that's a trademark Mike bloom thing. But apparently, so my wife ended up having an emergency c section go into details to too much, but she is such an amazingly strong woman a troupe or give Angela blue Michelle out if you can out there as such I had to be put in medical scrubs and very quick. So I was just given the set of blue close not giving much instructions and the pants. I'd say they were Kintu data of something that might be more by a surgical clown. These are extra extra extra large pants, and I didn't know exactly what of the etiquette was behind this. So I said all right. I guess I'll put these on. Then I get ushered away into the operating room as they're about to do it. The dodgers are in monitoring me saying, please tighten your pet, sir. There was no time. There was about to be a life being brought into this world. And so obviously, my mind was concentrated elsewhere in the nursery, I'm looking at this beautiful child. You know that this this product this new member of my family thinking through all the thoughts that have been running through my head in the past year, or so one of the nurses just sort of casually points out like, I think your pants are on the ground. And sure enough I did not tie the pads closely enough. So I am standing there. I mean, not nearly as naked as my child, but certainly further not as far removed from it. And so I think it's only adequate first line though. Right. I on the other hand was a man hor. Yeah. Exactly was very much. I guess the a full circle affect between the conception and birth of of Asher j lube. So I think it's only adequate that he'd get. It's his first impression of his father. As just a big old do f- daddy. I'm daddy. Do from now on rob. Yeah. This is like an episode of Ryan's tower view is it. Wherever it keeps their pants on. But. That the tagline toy. If you don't worry every keeps the pants on a lot of jokes at the expense of poor Ryan's, dad. But anyway, Mike boy. Hap- happily. You didn't get arrested. Yes. That's certainly good that I was not brought up out of the hospital in handcuffs, and we quickly alleviated the wardrobe which honestly considering how high my anxiety was writing. I think we sort of needed something to break the ice. Even though it was an XL size of surgical pants, and the nurses, and I had a grand old time about it. I was laughing all the way to the Bank, and it certainly helped bring the mood down for me from all the high stakes tensions and make me realize. Okay. You know, what we have? We have we have ceased one stage of life. And now we are moving into the next one's very much pre merger into post merge version of life. I've never heard a childbirth. Scribes is that? Yeah. I guess I'm really taking a page out of David all breeze books. The books of metaphors about survivor and apply them to the most basic events like to hear Angela describe it as. For this like post merge. Eat a lot. All right. Well, my what a great week we have here on the podcasts, of course, excited to have you here. But also coming off the heels of one of one of the really memorable podcast in recent memory of the Christian Hubin real deep dive into the season three plus hours with Christian Vicky this week. Yeah. And adventures endgame length podcast when Christian ubiquity, I love it. Sometimes rob you go with the theme. Apparently this theme week ended up being fast talking gregarious nerds. Because Chris I have to be a double feature here. But I mean, he's delightful to lessen to I think we might need to do something with not to supplant myself into Jordan keilor's position, but we might need like a new final boss in the Twiss quiz to bring him on. Because my God. Like if you could put like Paul also center run for his money in terms of remembering so many minute detail about survivor. Season's over the years. It's truly fascinating. Okay. Boy that would be a real. Somebody on the twist bucket lists, of course, twists still to come with your co host for international survivor coverage kicking off next week. Shannon gates, so be on look after that. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast, rob has a website dot com slash items. Right, Mike, I guess so let's pick things up now like my pants, especially pants, and we our top story at this hour done. Rick Devon's continues his March towards the survivor and game with a really strong showing this week wins immunity and holds the hidden immunity idol heading into the newly constituted final six want. Somebody comes back from the edge of extinction. And so I think that it's only customary that we start with Devon's watch. Yeah. I mean considering the past. Episodes have been Devon's will not. I mean, this has been such a weird season of survivor, rob. And I don't want to get the connotations mixed up here weird. It does not mean wrong in my opinion. In fact, I'd sort of coined this. The trademark train wreck season a couple of weeks ago with all of these big characters really getting taken out in such crazy ways. One by one by one when we were comparing the survivor to the pinball game last week via Jeff produce it does kind of feel like the past couple of weeks, at least from a storytelling perspective, we have sort of tilted the table in Rick Devon's favor and this episode was no different. Okay. Mic where you coming down on all things Rick Devon's the heading into the finale, it's really tough because you know, you have certainly talked about it last week. And I feel like we have to again talk about it this week breaking down what Rick Devon's means to these revive fandom because I really do feel like it's a lot more new. Ons than you can really grasp by attributing once or or viewpoint or the other to it. Because I feel like there are people who do not like Rick Devon as a person certainly that happens with every survivor contestant, they feel he's too gregarious. They feel it's his to Hammy with the the news time confessionals that he's to braggadocious. There are people who are fine with him. But dislike the way he's playing the game in that survivors game of social strategy and going around finding idols by yourself is not exactly it's an antisocial strategy as much as a big part of the game as it has become which we've seen in previous seasons as well. Dictating the endgame what I find so interesting about Rick Devon's is that this is one of the first time, I can remember where essentially the jury is kind of being sold a Bill of goods, and we know it as well as the other players. I think that's where a lot of the pushback is coming from as well. And we can certainly talk about. The idols of it. Because I think there is some pushback there as well. In terms of a people questioning the legitimacy of that as a game play style. But it just gets so interesting that you know, we do have such a big showing from Rick Devon's at tribal council, he puts on these major performances, and the fact of the matter is tree sorta no it's BS and everyone else sitting there next to him. No, it's sort of be as but the jury as far as working -cerned are totally lapping it up. I'm not making this a reference to weeks in a row, but it's very much like tar tooth this French play where a man gets invited is a house guest. He acts completely Boris to everyone in the household, except his friend who just cannot see pass that facade and just sees as this fantastically. Nice guy. And I know you in Christian sort of talk through as as to how you sort of get the jury on your side or to win favor away from Rick Devon's. But it is source slowing this season has been so startling to me. I think one of them is that we are seeing. Him be able to you made the inspector gadget reference a couple of weeks ago. I think it really shows that he's like great job. Devon's. This is all your doing. When really this is all the doings of several people working behind the scenes and not really mentioning it. Or being as forthcoming about it as they might be with other moves, right? I also think it's a little more complicated with that. Because I don't think it's necessarily just the jury. But I think that to a lot of the viewers of the show. It's also coming across that way that I think that I mean, it was not really laid out in the episode. And I think that some of the people who have been following this show regularly can jump to the conclusion. Okay. I Rick probably didn't change anybody's mind at the tribal council, but the show certainly didn't clear up whether or not that that was the case, we're just deducing that that was the case, I think majority of the viewers are. Taking that Rick's demonstrations at tribal council are also having this really positive effect in what's happening. I would agree with that as well. And I think maybe that buys into that typical survivor editing adage, and I know that we have made things were unconventional in recent seasons. But it's still holds that the way they typically like to do things is they like to keep tribal council. A relative surprise because they don't wanna go through ten minutes of question and answer where you know, what's going to happen, essentially. And so like, you said and just like last week there probably was a session where all these people got together and said, okay, we're going to get rid of a roar this week. But of course, they wouldn't show that because these want to either turn a narrative that Rick had changed their minds at tribal council again a couple of shots of when Rick makes this big bluff declaration, you have Gavin. Saying ou I'm nervous and Lauren saying, oh, well, I'm feeling a lot less confident than I did before which might be them sort of pulling their own S as well. But they really were trying to build it up. Like, okay, anybody can go with. This point. And that's unfortunately, I think to the expense of things that might have happened behind the scenes that are not immediately prevalent to both the viewers and the jury as well who again look at things at face value. And see, oh, it looks like Rick was able to pull one over on them not helped by the fact that Aurora pretty much hammered that point home as she got up to leave. Yeah. She said, hey, it's reverse psychology. Is it reverse psychology though? No. I don't think. So I definitely the that was the case, I think it's just I don't know intimidation. That's that's probably what I I mean. I guess what would reverse psychology? Hey, vote for Julie because I'm not going to play an idol on her like I'm trying to figure out exactly what the exact opposite of what Rick wanted to do was reverse psychology. I'm gonna play my item on Julie. I'm going to save Julie. I'm going to save Julie. And then he didn't. I guess it could be technically reverse psychology. According to Aurora. Fall. It's a good question. It's a good question. I'm not entirely sure. I mean, I don't know a rural also comes from that realm of conflict resolution, so maybe she has a better definition of reverse psychology. Maybe she's more used to people using reverse psychology to get what they want. And so she was just exasperated people actually for that. I love exasperated Aurora because I think that exasperated Aurora I'm not sure why she has become a even more popular figure in the season. Because I feel that she really is the voice of all of the discontent survivor fans as she's discussing Rick Devon's in this episode of rape, winning immunity sucks. I feel as though he is just that thorn in my side, which will not go away. I dance your question. I think one reason is that it took us legitimately a month and a half to know who ROY was a little bit of Johnny come lately. But I'm gonna thing that I love about Aurora is that it really feels like in recent weeks that personality that I know I was super high on with the preseason with Josh's interview has finally come out. I mean, not only did she hate rig. Devon's she gets many elements survivor, it Seve's, we have you know, we have word puzzles. We have basketball we have Vink Devon's we have several other taco moms soccer moms, basically, it's like a the anti my favorite things from the sound of music Aurora saying it would be very different. Roar. Hey, all sorts of things and. We'll explore them. But yeah, most of all she hates when Rick Devon's has idols she'll go through his bag. She'll do anything to stop Rick Devon's from having immunity yet. What I really love the Aurora is that, you know, I know you in Christians for talked about like what could have done to save herself. Maybe you could have joined up with Rick and Julie. But as Rick says in his confess voting confessional. You know, the one of the reasons why he voted for her is because he says, you know, you are someone who just wouldn't. You're a cool girl who refuses to work with me. And that's what it comes down to Aurora was the most anti Rick person in this entire cast. She was never Devon's g was. Yeah, she was never Devon's. And I think that that unfortunately, scooter like again on paper or parchment could have been great to have her join up with Julian reconciling that she was getting targeted by her allies without her knowing it, but she's never going to work with Richard anyway shape perform because she can't pull that Thorne out of her side. You don't work with the. Thorn trying to remove the thorn. Okay. Let me play voicemail for you, Mike. And this is from Josh Spalding who has a part of this Devon's debate, which is kind of gotten lost. Let let's hear from Josh Spalding. Gust bombing calling from new cancer. Like, kevin. I find him very entertaining. And as just liter last unless we room he was grading area. Survivor fan any he's just. I don't know worry. I guess what about Devon's win? I don't know that I can stomach someone's got voted out of the game winning the game as much as I got. So I'm just curious. Great survivor oracle. What is your opinion on this? What do you think about that? Is that an issue anyways loved the show? Thanks for all the great work. You guys do. Great great survivor oracle. Did he call James Miller by accident? Mike. Nobody's even talking about. The fact that Rick Devon's was at one point actually voted out of this game. Yeah. It's crazy thing about and I think it's because in previous seasons where this has become a thing with the exception of Burton and Lil we've sort of seen the revolving door affect right? And that was brought into effect by Boston rob of their sort of a wild card. Let's get rid of them. We've been playing our own game out of sight outta mind. I mean, I am having an easier time personally summing it because I think I think we also when it comes to if you break down Rick as a winner. I don't know if you make it necessarily hold it against him as much as the season that he just happened to be on a season where this was a thing in another wrote. Of course, he would be in Australia right now sunbathing with Wendy who's trying to free all the chickens from the local. I dunno Melbourne KFC. But I think that he just happened to benefit from the metric this particular season. Just like other seasons have it in other ways as well. Ben benefited from the final four fire. Making twist, you know, poverty benefited from the final three going down to the final two in survivor Micronesian. It just seems like maybe this is the biggest thing because this was such a big shift in game structure, perhaps the biggest that survivor has ever seen the fact that it might actually happen is to Mr. Spalding is great point a little tough to wrap your brain around it. I Mike will it bother you. If the winner of survivor, whether it's Rick or whether it's the person that comes back from the edge of extinction goes on to win this season. It would probably be less if it was Rick than what's the other person. If it's the other person that really bring those Aurora, hypothetically, what if it was a Royal. She just got voted out as a really Johnny Mack where she's out. She's back in the next day. I puzzle. Nls. Where are you doing diverse college? Hey basketball. John hate it played against the other. Doctors debt is always lose pulling teeth literally work with Devon's I think that rural. I think what it comes down to is just if you have someone like Joey amazing come out who has missed half the game and have them come in. That's just invalidates the realist the main game of survivor complain that people had 'bout redemption on to begin. With was oh, we're going to have somebody win the game who could have possibly spent all this time doing nothing to benefit their own strategic game that just happened to get lucky with this rope. And then make it through a couple of votes Rickwood less great because he has had to work his ass off whether or not, you know, he needed to work as asked if he put himself in situations where he didn't necessarily need to work as ask is one thing to be said, but I think the other thing about it. I've been debating back and forth. And I know that you've asked returning players on your podcast. Would you vote for someone who would come back from the game? But I think that's an exercise in provocatively in doing. So because one thing that I think is really going to benefit Rick here is that this is not a survivor Pearl islands Lil situation, where they said no matter what we're not voting for an outcast because I think the jury is gonna take into perspective that yes, Rick did come back from the extinction. Yes, he was voted out. But that was a chance we all got I feel like in seasons where everyone is represented or most people are presented with that opportunity. It plays a lot more mildly on their taste buds than if it was just oh two people came back pre merge, and we didn't have a chance to come back when we were voted off that's unfair. We should vote against that. It's been a very polarizing season for a lot of different reasons. And it seems like that seemingly almost everybody has found something to complain about with season thirty eight of survivor that is except for one person. Our next guest who's here to talk about Why's survivor. The edge of extinction is a perhaps the best season of survivor. Let's let's bring them in. The phone devil. Alone. Down. Sweep. Paris. Period on our period. Bloom. Thank you so much. David dictating that to us punctuation included. I just knew you had your grimy little mitts all over this season. When it was first to seems like you laid off mostly on survivor, David versus Goliath, you didn't even make an appearance. Our how sorry deduct care for that one on a stinker. I guess so we really want to be sort of steered away from that and more towards the Necker NAMA con of survivor. That's when your time to shine was. This is my baby as opposed to the the your baby that I want to make you a trade offer at some point down the road. But let me say when when I first pitched my idea for survivor edge of extinction to Mark Burnett, and Jeff Probst when I made my pitch. I was like come on devil. Come on come on. I could not believe that they took all of my suggestions. Now just to be clear. I feel like they did walk back your initial suggestion of actually killing the players, right? You said edge of extinction. Wants to be taken literally. I obviously. There was some pushback on that. But when I said, okay, here's my bitch. All right. We've got everybody who's on the show is never eliminated. They can come back and win any point. Notable points will keep bringing people back bring in returning players also mixed with a newbies that was. That was also my idea. Did you was this part of like? Serve like, you attaching, you know, addendums to this as you were going along or was this all one big package nicely wrapped package like Rick Devon's idol that you present it to them. I one package that I put together bloom. I think that we've known each other for a couple of years now it's fair to say that we've become very close. Right. Yeah. Just so you can be so formal you can call me by my first name, Rick. Yes. All right. I I'm I'm surprised that you let that devils this real name that makes sense. And might I say, you're jingle. I'd say beats then then new steam any day of the week. It's much catchier. Don't talk on down. No, we are making so many big changes in survivor hill as we speak that. Now, let me let me explain how this is going to work. So here, it's survivor. Hell we had the whole thing that we do with torturing everybody. But now we have somebody show up and all like. Like, dude, you are so lame. Look, do you know what? Dude of screw you. Oh, brilliant, all the d-ream. I've heard about them. Yeah. Ream reams daily is amazing. So much. So it's fun to watch. I I'm having all of all of millions watching her and training videos. Non step. So you have a birthplace training videos where you have like here's what aubrey's doing don't be like Aubrey be like green. But it comes to approaching people. Daily's motto round here. It's a real goof isn't gallon situation. When it comes to your workplace training, videos and survivor hell. Arime if you wanted to if you wanna work here in survivor how I knew that Ron Clarke has set up a good amount of rules. I can only assume Rick devils. Do you have a set of rules as well for survivor health? We have these six hundred sixty six rules, only, the survivor devil. Wow. Okay. I can only imagine what some of them are considering how you've really said about. Oh, boy that does that sound that pretend to well to be I'm just gonna pretend that reverse psychology. And then I'm actually not going to be countering those rules are. No, that's true. I gotta keep my opportunities. Go for broke nothing to lose, right? So busy this whole season is just been such a such a grind, you know. I'm editing the episodes, right? Okay. So how does that work? You just sort of pull names out of a hat, and you decide those are going to be important people that week. Yes. Very small hat crappy diaper, right? Oh, it's very noticeable hat though. Dog that guy is he's killing it. You know, I'm running his social media, right? Oh, really? Okay. That. Now a lot of numbers are coming together. Now in my head. That's the mean of all the math sort of falling into the pictures knowing that you run more spoke social media. I'm all Hawkeye talk. Cheese line kind. You wrote? Let are you afraid of the Tony krumholz or whatever podcast our half. Sorry. I'm competing with David krumholz the actor. Got so many big things coming up her survivor that I just I hope everybody is boom strapped in that. That makes me very very nervous. You wanna give us a tease of what's Toco? Dr just just hanging there bloom enjoying the as ING race. Oh my goodness. -vivor devil. I am absolutely loving. Do. I do have a question. I think we brought up when we actually I convened on this podcast while ago that I believe in mazing Reese, God is a different type of God have you consulted with amazing res dot at all in terms of hookah brought on this season. Because if you did the results makes a lot of sense. Army? A meeting with the producers of million dollar mile. Okay, Graham, we'll let you get to. I just want to take the Tiba off. That's the that's the first move. We're gonna make bring that back while talking about reaching across the aisle considering how much of a biblical, man. He is. But I just wanted to think survivor devil on air for the baby gift omit. I don't exactly know what I can do with the rice bucket that Brandon Hance peed in and survivor care Mohan. But I guess we can put it in some sort of corner somewhere and let it be a relic of the query. Corner. Remember that always who I guess corner. Is that is that a rule of survivor devils? Yes. In the five hundred 's. Yes, I tell you put the dirty dirty dancing. But I want to thank you for that. Obviously relationship is very interesting to begin with. But I'm glad we were able to find out the the Mr. big reveal of your name. Rick devils. I can't wait to find out more details about you as the seasons for Gress. Be sure stay tuned for the finale on Wednesday night. We I've got a lot plan. Trust me. Boy. All right. I will do on the notes for the reunion show. Will all be on the edge of my seat as others are not on extension? All right. I will talk to you again soon real soon. Boy. Alright t t y l not too. Okay. Okay. You got it rack me out. Say say wreck me. Tony kornheiser. Okay. Well, this is completely loss on may. I appreciate it. Oh, wow. Survivor devil, come in. I you could sorta tell his fingerprints were all over this season. But at least he sort of stepped forward, and we didn't need to necessarily solve them burder here. He admitted himself in the first act of this voicemails podcast. Okay. Why he had a lot to do with the survivor edge of extinction of survivor devil that I wonder what I wonder if what he had to do with the actual edge of extinction element from this episode that seems like it's out of his don't don't conjure him. 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However, she was likely to scared to come out about the stack. She didn't want people to to know that she had an idol herself. Why not just say that she knows where 'cause line because he knows they Kelly thought an idol unless you this is the rest of the players to hunt for the idol and keep closer tabs, Rick author not giving away the fact that she herself has Neidl love to hear thoughts. This is a good catch here by Noah. And this is that seen this was actually very fun on. On the watch through here is Lauren confronting Rick. Stack fidgeting idol on speech. I don't think it. I don't know when we were talking about I love this scene. Because this first one of the only which Lauren is not I rolling at everything you say, yes, let me just play the rest of it. I know it was great. I hope there's one out here. I needed you could tell the cared. I mean, I was against me. So I don't feel I can trust anybody. Getting nowhere with Rick Devon's. What I love about it too. Is that she's not I rolling, but she's almost I rolling through her teeth. If that makes sense, she's eyeteeth rolling where she's like, I know you have a wreck just say, you hovered, we all know, you have the idol. It's beautiful day out here. No come on. Rick yune. I know I know you have it. Boy, I could go for some rice today. Boy, my glasses had had they haven't been cleaned it a while. All the non sequiturs going back forth. Like, oh, man. It was an awesome moment last night. I had nothing to do with that. And they just sort of like for the last two months news. Isn't that fun? Like the most awkward way of playing it off and Lauren just really trying to bring dig into him. But Rick is not cracking whatsoever. Yeah. What do you think about the idea? Should she said, look, I know that idols here because Kelly win worth had an idol. Do you think it would reflect badly on Laura and that she didn't tell anyone else that Kelly had an idol if that's the case because I do think that what is so interesting about this is it comes back to as James limbs. Put it information a symmetry. And it's so interesting to see that I think both Rick and Lauren we're sort of working to the best of their knowledge in terms of what they thought people knew and only they knew with Rick saying. Oh, yeah. This came from the extinction because all advantages do and Lawrence saying, well, I know that's not a fact because I happened to get mine. But I wonder if. If her sort of fessing up about Kelly's, I'd say what else are you lying about Lauren, and considering how fractious it seems that alliance of four is to begin with whenever you sort of look one way. And then look back and wonder if she's not looking for any sort of reason for them to turn on her or her. Yeah. I just don't know why we've in saw the scene if she wasn't going to call him out. It just seemed like she has this information, but is not doing anything with it. Yeah. And so interesting how she has been able to sit on that not only sit on that idle for so long, but just sit on the information out at four so less. I mean with that part of her decision of I can't vote for Juliet tribal council because I bet Rick Devon's has another idle because he's out here looking for it. And then I have to keep Julian the game. Well, I wonder wonder if there was something that could have happened where I feel like I could see the wide law made the decision that you did you didn't even in the great points about how when it gets into the end game as frenetic as all this has been you want to cling to the life. Raft of the person that you think can bring you to the end or you want to go to the end, especially at this point. And she. Found that in Julie. But she also has this sort of guarantee in this idol where she doesn't necessarily need to play. It. If Rick doesn't, you know if Rick actually goes through with his bluff, if it's reverse reverse psychology, and he ends up playing this idol, she could pull a Jeremy Colin and say, oh, yeah. I m my idol to I'll just play this here, and that'll sort of guarantee her own safety guess she'll be left Volna Rable at the final six and five but she's insulated by allies. It seems on all sides. So I don't exactly know if she needs to be playing conservatively with it. It is a nice guarantee to have something in the pocket. But if you have something in the pocket much like Rick was sort of doing this episode allows you to play more fasten loose. Okay. Speaking of all these idols. Let's listen to voicemail from real BG low. Hey, rob real low here. They fan of you and Christian longtime. Could we be headed for another advantage gettin? Two people are going to be immune from the votes because they will have the deadlock boats, one personal immunity, Devon's has an idol and Lorne as Neidl. So there's a small, but very real possibility that someone could get Surridhe. What do you think? Thanks. Okay. All right, and sometimes people call in and leave a question for the recap gas, and we don't get you. It should I enter this question. Ask chris. Okay. All right. Let me try to get into character here. Okay. Great. Let's do this. Okay. Christian. Do you think that there is a possibility of advantage get into okay? So we need to relieve break this down into quantum structures. Because that's essentially what it advantages are essentially, they're they're Adams that build into molecules that eventually build into boating blocks as the building blocks of survivor society. So if you look at this, I think what happened in survivor thirty four and the finale that brought Sirri out to row roving applause in the audience was the fact that there were three idols being played right? There was there was Troy's in the entire played his two idols. I think we're Bijal might be doing which is a bit rash. If you will is that he's assuming it's going to be deadlocked tie. He's going off of the the the conventions that rickets presenting of it being a three three deadlock. I just think everyone is thinking so individualistic -ly as they should concept of free. Radical molecules electrons hopping from Adam to Adam that produce molecular bonding, if you will begin the building blocks of our life that I don't think it might be a three three tie. No matter who comes back. So I will say we can stave off advantage. Get in for one more round one more season. Yeah. I still well-done Christian. So I say I -gree with you the other thing going on advantage get in which is not going on here. Answer that even got to the vote on advantage getting or at least read the votes because it worked out that there were three idols played individual immunity, and then also Sarah Lena had to legacy advantage. So that was a what ended up creating advantage can this. I think is more likely to be a scenario, Allah, a survivor Cambodia final six where I think it's possible Rick Devon's has his idol. So maybe they feel like oh, but maybe they think he wants to hold it. And if Rick Devon's doesn't win immunity, they convince Rick Devon's that he's going to be safe and put three votes on him. And then also there's three votes on Lauren and both of them play their votes, and then we end up with as zero zero tie as opposed to the advantage get in scenario. Do you think that and I sort of mice fear just vacated my body off to watch the movies on the plane as we talked right? There. Do you think that they would still vote for Rick at the final say considering that Rick? I mean, you could say that he made a fake idol over saying, oh, it's the same. Lisa Frank esque paper that was wrapped up in his previous idol. But do you think because he brazenly showed it off last time they would still put votes onto him? Well, it's positive Ivers have attempted radical things it's there is a person coming back from the edge of extinction. And so hypothetically, you could imagine a scenario where the survivors convince Rick Devon's like, hey, we're going to go after the person from the edge of extinction this round and Ricky saying, hey, this is great for me. If I don't have to play my idol at six I could get through this vote and then play my idol at five. So that there is a possibility if say hypothetically, Joe anglin came back and didn't win immunity. It's like what what we have to. We. Have to go for Joe on this round. But then they actually put their votes on Rick. But then he if sit out and plays his idol anyway. Yeah, I could see that if they're trying to really get one over on them. But I don't know. I think that's going to be tough for Rick to believe because I think one unfortunate circumstance of again, totally going back to what you in Christian said the fact that it may be in another world, you sort of bring Devon's under this false sense of security and say, oh, yeah, we're totally going to work together. And that's how you get into flesh an idol or blindside them with an idol. We saw this happen multiple times this season. But they are so blatantly adamant about being against him that he had does not have an ODA of trust in any of those people. Why would he believe them if they came to him and said, oh, yeah, we're going to vote off the person this time he's gonna say you've been targeting me for the past nine really really think all Mike the best case scenario is then you vote out Joe angle and in. Wastes, his idol at tribal council that I mean that would kind of be and then Rick is vulnerable to be voted out at the final five. I don't know though. Because I mean, Rick has also been winning challenges, and he's been finding idols. And if you played it at the final six there's still a chance it can find one and play one at the final five. I think that the interesting thing that's sort of flip flopped on this season. Is that in the beginning of the merge, you had people like Joe and Eric voted off so quickly because you said, let's fear. These big strong guys who are good and challenges. Rick has now become that person. Maybe by virtue of the fact that also guys have been voted off. I personally take a chance on more of the unknown with maybe some of these other people who come back in and don't have the records in from them as opposed to Rick who has proved himself dangerous, and at least keeping himself safe. Whether inter personally or strategically, maybe not so much when it comes to getting day today. He is proved that he's been able to do that. And that is extremely dangerous when you only have three days left in the game. It's the survivors the Rick devils you do versus. Devils. Okay. Let's take another voicemail. Let's check in with Daniel in Dallas. Hey, so this is Daniel from waxahachie just out the Dallas. I was just listening to the survivor being being and all season. I have been surprised that nobody knows who Ron Clark is. I'm at educator wrong. Clark is like an educator celebrity any teacher countries. Hurt of wrong Clark teachers for all over the country to intern at the wrong Clark academy. I've been to an inservice where he was the keynote speaker before and I know teachers that are watching survivor this season just because of Ron Clark. So I'm really shocked that no one on the show knows who he is. And none of the podcast seem to know who he is because he's like the education guru of. So anyways, just wanted passed on when two guys on that is by okay. First off before we answer that question. Also that he mentioned a big fan of the BNB. Let me play this voicemail. For you. Hey, rob Liana here longtime listener, first-time caller. I'm not entirely sure. How to talk to Mike bloom unless it's on podcast. So I'm just calling in to say hi to Mike. Hey, mike. Hope everything's going. Well, hope you're enjoying the voice mails podcast. And I'll talk to you later. All right. Let me say this. This might be the most literal voicemail. We've had a survivor voice podcast. Yeah. Okay. So shout out to Liana who's holding down the BNB again this week. Which is needed. We barely have a roof on that place. So she's tried to clamp down on it. Okay. All right. But let's go back to Dan's question. And. By the way, people check out the the BNB as well this weekend. I believe ya and cursing mckiness on this week's episode absolutely went north to bring back a couple of great podcasters talk about the end of this season. And certainly a lot of talk involve interesting watching their opinions online, especially over the Rick Devon's topic. So I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of great conversation on there. Okay. Let's go and bring on Dan's question about Iran Clark being the educational celebrity. Did you know about this? So I was I was aware of it. I think the issue is, and I will sort of contest Dan's point, a bit that are I guess on the BNB was Paul also saying who sent kiss the Ron Clark academy new of his book new his story. I think it's unfortunately, just ignorance from the fact that we don't work in the educational field. No rim. I as tuned in to the made for TV movies as maybe the whole Markey's podcast. I would have I really thought of Ron Clark as the dancing guy who kind of sounds like Mr. DNA from Jurassic Park. But I'm having to know more about him. Vid-? You couldn't you can't you hear that. Now, just like his nice lilting positive voice. So what say, hey, here's a mosquito. And this -squitoes just got trapped in a bunch of amber amber on that yellow Yalo, amber faster over Tom and tune into boom, Donald DNA. Those are my friends my Donald friends these about friends. Okay mic. It has come to my knowledge that you have recently gotten a chance to see the affirmation in Ron Clark story. Yes. So here's the thing. When you have a newborn, and you have a lot of weird patches of downtime, and especially last week on the BNB. There was a lot of talk about the rawness horror movie with kiva. Yes. Exactly. And so I thought okay, let me see some time between feedings let me see if I can check this out and good news is it's pretty much a public resource at this point. It is for free on Amazon prime at a slim ninety minutes that's half a Christian podcast, folks. You can get the Ron Clark story for your vote viewing pleasure. Okay. So hypothetically is there is there a piece of it that I should queue up that you wanna talk about. Mike. I mean, I can sort of just talk through. I mean, if you wanna play through the first like two minutes of the movie, maybe there's a very interesting seed that I think sets up the general quality and small Tinus of the Ron Clark Ville. Okay. So the wrong Clark story here. He is with Mr. Chandler Bing. What point are we gonna skip ahead to let me see just one second. Honestly, it's like the first scene. It's a really stupid. Emmy. So let's talk. Let's see Matthew Perry walking into school. Aurora North Carolina that why he hates Aurora so much. Oh my God. I broke it open. Wow. Wow. Oh my God. That's a revelation. This is totally Slumdog millionaire. If you think that it was going to be hard to win the million dollars. Then I should get two million dollars for being from Aurora North Carolina. I should get three million dollars for teaching in Aurora North Carolina teaching Aurora how to push out rice. Okay. Let me go back to Matthew Perry here. Clark ready for your first day. Yes, ma'am. I'll be with you minute. And I'll introduce you to your class. Ron Clark looks over. And sees a kid in a garbage pail. Not all the garbage pail kid, but yes, we should also detect in case you have in hydrate. Your finely tuned nary a southern accent coming out, Matthew Perry's mouth. I think I'll talk about this later the authenticity on the wrong clerk story is not your story based on this is very much like a brick Devon's like approach of. Yeah. This is how Ron Clark sounded. And this is how we acted absolutely. Based on events in the life of Ron Clark. Right. What happened to you? Did you can't learn so should go? The trash. Mr Clark what union creek? Was it gets name has Lee Craig which sounds like if someone was trying to write a knock off to kill a Mockingbird fan fiction. Like, that's the character. They would name their main their lead to meet. I'm so sorry. I'm so forgetful. What's my name again? Mr Clark C. You just learned something kick you out of there. Clark. Bearn teacher put himself in the garbage pail. Put them in the garbage Bill. I believe this was sanctioned punishment from the teacher to say, you has the kids. So is stupid put it you must stand out with the other garbage police tend in this way stats. Get your game is trash. So go stand in the wastepaper basket. Wait, we're not doing that anymore. It's a good thing. Ron Clark came along to get kids out of the garbage pails. I think long clerk single Hanley ended the garbage pail kid phenomenon. I'm pretty sure he said, listen got making those collards teachers are being encouraged by it. Yes. Okay. Well, this sounds like the school was really going to. Sco seat, the survivor devil. Ron Clark came in. And it got this thing straightened out. The first words in the movie are literally the words of Ron Clark. Yeah. So, but we're spending only a brief second here compared to like the edge of extinction. As compared to the rest of the episode so wrong Clark. They sorta yada out through the fact that he fixed Aurora elementary school. So he goes in for challenge. He literally spends thirty seconds is. I mean Aurora is not a common lame. I don't know. I really am. Not sure that it's just I think it's serendipity say Ron dip eighty to play on the same six. He's such a big tenure of his life in Aurora, North Carolina. And if that's the case, I feel like he was the one to try to bring her over to his side. You know, he tried to talk her down after the job. Oh, maybe that's why he had sort of personal reverberations with her. So we're really is wild. So Ron Clark decides must like he did last episode to move away from Aurora to go up to the big city to really teach these underprivileged kids and their several question marks about this movie that now I can sort of fill in the blanks. There was some questions as to why is there a scene or one Clark drinks a bunch of milk? Yes. Well wonder in order to connect with the kids run Clark, essentially decides to humiliate himself I guess much like I use the same method to introduce myself to my child accidentally. So he decides to metaphorically dropped his pants by saying. All right. I'm going to teach you grammar, and you have to stay silent and astute every fifteen seconds. If you do that. I'm going to drink a carton of chocolate milk. He was intially creating his own challenge within the classroom hoof. Yes. Yeah. It basically went away of primetime ninety nine Alex Stein. By by the end of it. There was also a question as to why does Ron Clark dress-up is Robin Hood at one point when he is short on cash. He didn't have that two million dollars for putting up with the roller on North Carolina. Neither the person Aurora run clerks in unnamed themed restaurant as dressed up as Robin Hood. Here's the interesting wrinkle in the story again based on a true events run clerk foles for a lovely young woman named I think Brandon who no not Lloyd. But it's the person who's dressed up like Cleopatra. So yeah. Certain liberties liberties with the low at the Ron Clark story like lady liberty, Dr Mike with point no and labor. Liberty was she was out that shift to the person who dressed up like her? Had to clock out for the weekend. She had a thing to do. Okay. All right. So if you recommend the Ron Clark story, absolutely not oh. It's it's a fine movie. And you know, what it's inspirational enough if you do wanna see Matthew Perry doing they actually do the Ron Clark presidents rap ended is even weirder. Having Chandler Bing. Do it. It's like a copy of a copy of watching this sort of by-pass through and they end the movie by all doing a mighty duck group hug while chanting the president's wrap, which I guess is there. Rousing theme would say, it's typical you know, stained in deliver fair has some weird Matthew Perry performances in there and the small details like Aurora North Carolina. And the fact that early Hudson plays the beleaguered principle because much like his character Winston, he'll do anything for a paycheck. I think I think it's a fine movie. But it's not either trash worthy to watch it all or great enough to really indulgent hour and a half into it. Okay. All right, Mike. Let's go. Let's go to our next. Voicemail, and let's bring in a another one of our callers who's excited about the finale and the reunion dad's highlight from me on this Wednesday is going to be what buzz were you think we'll here in the lively union show. I think Mike that a little bit of unfair edge last time with the word show. But I never lied it. So hard to hear bird in my life. You eat the picks fide words, but they need to be unique to this season story. So what are you about passengers reengage a dude cues carefully because this could be the shortest reunion yet? Okay. All right, Mike, it's time to play. Everybody's favorite game. What will he said at the finale? She was this song mil thick too. An eight bit sold feels like it's Britain by a pot. By the time on this that we used to get voicemails from the wo- Matthew Rogge's, and he called in. And we don't know what song used to call it. And it had something to do with Donkey Kong. So that's just now some other some of the version of donkeys Kong. So until it gets the real song that we don't have a pretty sure that's the original donkey from the hurricane machine. Mike. How is Donkey Kong survivor? Will you know, what when you keep jumping pass, and you're dodging barrels left, and right, rather, they'd be advantages or opponents you think you get there. But then damage somebody grabs that mallet, and they go crazy. But when you grab them out, you think you have the advantage. You can't jump. It's far and boom a blindsided barrel. Takes you out and your Pauline million dollars is lost to some other big ape seared on Thomas. I could just like walk across those barrels though, right? I mean half of worlds apart did in that one challenge. So she's got this. Okay. All right. So last season we change things up that you and I had being drafting who will speak or. Who won't speak then who will speed we'll speak. And then we went to what word will be said. And it's interesting because I feel like what word will be said reunion. Ironically, went back to the old format where we could have theoretically done who don't be spoken to right. But this time around I am projecting a very long episode proper. And I don't even think we're going to get to the live reading of the votes until about ten thirty eastern time if I had to project this I've also project that I do not think we're going to get our typical six or fifth place or comes out to Jeff and the audience to talk about how much of a fan favourite they become just because no offense of this cast. I really doubt that unless huge character comes back from the F Evans. I think they'll do it. They're not having Rick Devon's go out and six if if they do maybe, but I highly doubt. That's the case. If Rick Devon's does. Go out at fifth or six that. He will definitely get that interviews spots. Are you say that he will not if he or using that unlikely that it's impossible? He's not he's going to be voted out if they're six I would say the ladder. If it is the former I hope they set up another or he doesn't he loses the fire making they talked to him. Then maybe I could see a chance of that happening. I just personally think from a storytelling perspective considering how much has been given to us. I know that there's still a lot of story to go. And I don't necessarily means. Oh, yes. Rick is definitely winning g g but I think at this point it would be foolish to not see Rick at least in the final three im- known. How right winning if he does fall to four five or six I hope survivor rolls out a nice like cardboard paper banner. So that Rick can burst through the cool. Eight prophesized a long time ago. Yeah, he could walk out onto the finale stage and. Okay. Mike. How about this question? If the returning player to the game turns out to be the one of the returning players. Do we and they get voted out right away at six to we talked to them took a question. I feel like if it's Aubrey or Joe no, I feel like if it's David maybe I think we're turning stands. I think that the person who stands the highest chance of getting talked to as a returnee is Kelly Wentworth. Okay. I think any of the returnees comes back into the game. And then goes out before the final four than I think, we definitely talked to them. I don't know because I guess it depends on like if they're sort of utilizing their economy and saying, okay, we're dedicating more time to the show in less time to the reunion. I guess it would be a way to sort of kill two birds with one soon. I don't know it's tough finding people this season. Even from the returning perspective that you could compare it to like a Davey or a Donna thin or like, Dr Mike were Devon that. You say yes, we need to bring them out in the middle of the reunion to have the audience react to them. Okay. If it's reams will remain get that spot. Oh, man. I wish oh how I wish that would happen. Just to have remained dress Jeff down to give him the roasting. That is. This whole idea was she's probably pro edge of extinction. I mean, she would have been long forgotten. If. It was not the extinction. Can I mention one quick fig about your Raymond pressure that I love so dearly with us? So obviously, I know that you are since it's a very loud impression your lien away from your might make your audio peak. But it sort of sounds like at all times ream is just like hovering around in the room and cures. You talking about her like gelling off, Mike at you. You know, what did you think? I don't hear what's going. You know, like with those side of my head that says stupid idiot loser. Just in the corner trying to plead out this rice PVS kit. Hearing all these things about me. Yes. Have to talk to they have talked to him when they if they do that. Okay. So that that being said, Mike, we we ended up last season landing on the word draft of now NHS who won that did you win that? So I fix presently enough. I did. But I think it was purely by I'm going to I'm like Aurora, I'm not a big basketball fan. So I'm going to bungle this reference. But I feel like I found my sort of like Kobe Bryant of that team as the voice mail or pointed out, it was the word show, which by four carried the weight of my team the bird. I'm honestly enough was nice big albatross and to not get any points. All right. So let's go back and forth. And it will each draft five words, and we are counting the number of times that that word is said and Mike as the winner of the draft. I will give you the first. Pick. Ooh. Boy. Okay. Let's also let's sister a couple of ground rules, actually. Maybe it's not fair for just me to set the ground rules. But let's let's take some words off the table. Let's have our greed upon words that do not count. Let's. A table of certain words that you are promptly released cutting the ropes on and slamming down as you're you're your auction idea here. So let's just that banned words are edgy extinction. Player move. Generic generic words that are sort of just like survivor where we're looking for specific words that pertain to this particular season and no proper names. All right. Well, let me start in some gray take title immunity off the plate. Okay. So then from that perspective. Can I started some great territory and say advantage the advantage out darn it off the menu off the menu? Okay. So that being said, let's let's see if we can nail down our our our draft. All right. Well, I'm gonna have to let me. Start with a easy word to deal with the theme. Let's say quit quit. Okay. I think again, I have no idea who we're going to be talking to in this. We might have a better chance of talking to another celebrity that's in the audience or a child that likes to write on Jeff's back than the actual players. But I feel like if when we talk to someone who was on the edge of extinction. They'll constantly about the fact that I was going to quit. I did not quit. I persevered and made it to whatever point. I did good. Okay. Mike. What about if Jeff probe says these words is that is that? Okay. I mean, considering that I've won Chile from the fact that Jeff said show so many times in father. I gotta go with the with the daily double here. I'm going to go with renaming food. I'm gonna go with lame. Could you imagine ream as the host of jeopardy now that God forbid if should things go south for Alex trebek's, put it on the universe? Mike. I think you have a good. I take it back. I take it back, but it could be a possible replacement. Yes. Okay. They should consider her. She get a real together. Okay. Dude. In lame are going to be both off the list. All right. Well, then let me let me take the the double rights special here. All go with pilot and passenger. Ooh. Okay. I figured I'd cover my basis here. I don't know if it will be referenced because it feels like it has not been mentioned a lot since David's left his time in the game. And apparently disappeared from the show save a couple of letter reads in this episode, but I figured I cover everything here in terms of major terminology. Okay. Boy. Now. Now, it's getting thin. Now, we're getting down to the Knesset. The word news. Okay. All right. I'm feeling it. Okay. Now, I will I get to get to also give you say, let's all count news. If Rick Devon's things his Osos catchy snatch. Eat theme song. Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun. You get you get a six of a point for every done that comes out of his mouth. Okay. All right. So let's go with news. And let's go with wedding. Okay. Okay. Now, speaking about Gavin unless you're hoping unless you're hoping for some sort of Joe in Sierra on the stage wedding at the edge of extinction. I think it's I think I got a lot a few outs there. I think that's what might be survivor. Devils alluding to Sierra can navigate those donkey calling barrels down to the stage. Yeah, let's talk about Gavin's wedding. And and we're looks like we're going to have another survivor wedding. Okay. Wins the wedding Joe. And like, I think that that could be a possibility. All right. Let's see here might has quit pilot and passenger, I guess, let's go. With. Let's go with let's go with return. Return? Baiting who will return? It is interesting not to go on too much of a change in the middle of this game. But it is really interesting. How it feels like I personally feel like there was so much going behind the scenes that people debating who's gonna come back from the extinction and how that might affect their voting. But it is nary mentioned on the actual show itself, which I feel like is very different than what we usually see in terms of people's strategizing around redemption island previously. Do you think it's going on? It's just not mentioned. I don't know why. We'll find out. I guess it just depends because I'm still in the camp where I'm not entirely sure of Gavin in Victoria made the right decision here considering that it's such a wide open field as to who comes back from the extinction that you can dispute Rick's point that it would be guaranteed three three should somebody come back. And so why discard someone who is supposed to be loyal to you than just take shot in the dark with Julian if rig does play the idol, then you know, what you get a chance as well to come back. So maybe the return can you mention there, especially if Rick ends up having a winning narrative here, that's a huge part of his story. Okay. All right. One and I have one left. So I am going to go with now. I don't want to necessarily make this thing where my fifth man is always a wild card here. And I don't know if all goes high as bird did. But lemme aim in the tude category. Because I'm thinking about the topography of the edge of extinction. Then thinking about Jeff's extravagant claims about the pizza temptation that happened at the reward challenge that one time my final word is going to be mountain. Oh. Say pizza. I doubt if you might have been better than mountain. I don't I doubt pizza will be mentioned unless I mean, maybe the reunion go super long and they ask on stage four pizza. I feel like bound just has so many uses and they could say emotionally I had to joke myself up the mountain to eventually some at the peak and raise the flag, even though Dement quitting. Okay. For my final word. I will say sale say, okay. Final word. Now. Let's go homophobic here. Are we going when the sale SA L SA L S L? Okay. So if if Rick says, I have a new memoir for sale where Wendy says, I have a new edge of extinction t shirt line for sale. We're not gonna count that war dog. If anybody wants to get tiny hat. I've got a new store. For sale if you buy one of my head, I'll call you on the phone. Account with you allergic count seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty. Okay. Perfect. All right, there you go. So here's the list. Okay. One point for every time. Somebody says the words quit pilot passenger return or mound for Mike bloom. And then I get dude lame news wedding sale. Should we also then go double or nothing for same list for the game of thrones episode this week? Yeah. You know what let's do it. I think that considering that there is one character that falls into my category. I don't know if he's actually the word red wedding winter, Phil. Somebody could be taking lame. Yes. Someone good brand. You're so lame. We could say. Yes. Ream of house Daleas come in after the night the night king with scare on grey joys. Go set sail. So you could hear her from miles away. Say Danny has lost something for John to pilot in the last episode drogue on has a passenger. So all right. Let's let's keep keep track on on both of these things. You know, what let's let's put it in a third one here. Let's say if it's mentioned during I don't know if it's mentioned during the big bang theory. Finale, we'll put some points there. All right. The best two out of three if it's okay? All right, Mike, let me think another one of our sponsors are other sponsor for this of the podcast, and those are our friends over at twenty three and me twenty three and me Stephen fishbach tried to correct me twenty three. And I know it's not what it's called. It's twenty three and me, and Mike I was very interested to hear, of course, the twenty three and me what they do is they allow you to learn all sorts of cool things about your DNA, including your ancestry. But Mike I found out that you yourself have done Twenty-three in me. Yes. So I've done it rather recently. At least I ask for it for Christmas from my parents, which I realized now might have been a bit. Insulting to their faces. Saying, hey, I want to know where I come from can you please? 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This storyline really doesn't make a lot of sense until after thing. Finale lucky garland, for example, I think the story being told here's of the first thirteen nothing win up. Otherwise, I think Devon's is coming forth, and this is the weirdest go to edit that I have ever seen. I don't know what the hell's going on. What do you think the story of the season is? Thank you. And congrats Mike. Okay. Thank you, Lindell Lindell. I just shut Lindell the most full bloom wand offer, there is my husband's out to her in every way that was very clean voicemail from Lindell. Very very closely for you. Okay. Mike. Do you think that Rick Devon's could be on his way to a thirteen zero win on Wednesday night? First off it is insane. That yes, we've been going on nineteen years, I survivor, but the fact that we're talking about possible thirteen to nothing jury vote is one of the most regard, Deb, dick Yetlis things. I've heard all right. So here's what I wanna do so thirteen let's forget about thirteen zero. This is the question. I want to ask you that. Do you think that if Rick Devon's goes on to win the game? Will he set the record for the most votes cast for a winner of season? I think in most he will tie. Okay. So so you're you're calling. He will not get more than ten. Yeah. So here's here's what I'm thinking. Sort of sketched out my own little final three here, and knowing how roll my predictions are on the offer mention being be do not take this as any sort of gospel. But the way I feel like I'm partially seeing it again, this is all affected by who comes back from E, which will definitely talk about. But I'm seeing a possible final three as Lauren. Julie. And Rick, okay. That's the final three that I've been ruminating around. Now, if we're playing a little bit of jury jeopardy here. Maybe that's the one that really can host. We have I feel like Ron would definitely vote for Julie. I feel like Lauren with definitely get votes from Kelley, maybe from Davin or Victoria, depending on the method that day go and Rick could get the rest. So I feel like depending on how things shake out. I still think Rick would win in those circumstances. But I feel like there's a chance that especially because we don't have. I think I forget who talked about this. But I feel like when you get people together in Ponderosa. There can't be a group think that does. Has spread. We don't have group think going on edge of extinction. We get more food think than group think. But I think there will be a lot more much like this season. Biggles like nine three one potentially. That's I'm thinking like nine three one or like an eight four one or or something like that. I feel like this could be a case where all three finalists get votes, depending on who's sitting there at the end. I feel like if Rick is at the end, he will get the majority of the votes, but I don't think he's gonna break. Ten. Okay. Let's go to John in DC who has a question. Preseason Nicole called dibs Aurora being heard, of course, attorney now we've seen Arcand survivor, are you okay? With letting the coal Hafer. Does it change your mind that we know from this episode? That Aurora is not good with words. Talking. She's such good with speech. Just not great. If you if you cut apart the alimony papers into little stripped and had her put them together. That's what she would struggle struggle with that. Okay. So let's listen to a couple of clips from the episode, and this was from Aurora talking about how she was not thrilled with this week's immunity challenge or during the entire explanation. You were shaking your head moving your body happening right now. Where'd puzzles? She really hates them. We'll we'll shorts is shook. Yeah. And then this was during the challenge. Anything to do with? A little shady. I did love this. I love that. We have now if we're talking about the evolution of the game. Like, the of the clapback at Jeff during the challenges have evolved from the Penner salad days to now we had that we had Victoria this episode being like, hey, Jeff, I'm in it to Julie with hyperventilating thing from last week. There's a lot more. Back. Thank you. I love that. Okay. So that would I feel more comfortable with Nicole hiring Aurora as a divorce attorney, no still I still would not love that. I would prefer that Nicole's potential divorce attorney not had any sort of visibility until like the survivor world. I would prefer that, you know, her lawyer would just think of her as like who's this who is this loser. That does a podcast. What is what is that? Podcasting a hobby. All right. He's got nothing. Let's move on. Yeah. I think the best that would be like some fuddy-duddy old man feel like he came out of crypt to be like a podcast, not guest. Yeah. Listen, you can't get blood from a stone. Just give up exam days worth nothing. In fact, you should be giving him money. Don't need it soon. He's. Alimony from you, the only problem the other problem would be a Rura would bring it in terms of the fashion where to court did you see what she wore to ultimately her final tribal council here, rob her fashion game on fleet. Why the robe I mean, the robe was there the pants? She did it. She has this elastic band that? I don't know if it was cut from something God forbid, if it was a pair of underwear, but she was wearing it as a choke her. She had the white flower in her hair. It's if she stepped off this disastrous twenty eight hour flight to Hawaii like she was really cleaned up for what was surprisingly her final tribal council in the game. Maybe we'll see if she comes back. Also, I would not want to go toe to toe with Aurora in the courtroom. When my lawyer was saying your honor. It means the the most that my client is seeking full custody of the children and would be very upset if the did not get complete. Full custody of the kids. Do you fall? Fall. And also wouldn't help if she's standing and your lawyer happens to pass out did it conditions. She's gonna she's she's gonna keep going say. Now, look judge while this is going on. You know, my cases rock-solid I need this to happen. But she doesn't like soccer mums. So maybe she doesn't want to take Nicole on the client that she should say. First question. What sports your kids play? That's it. I'm out. Yeah. Second question. Do they play basketball? If so maybe I could work with that as long as I'm not playing basketball. All right. Let me start with. Let's stay on the challenge. And this was Jeff describing this this challenge, and it was something that was so familiar to people when they had to slide the the letter tiles across the board. I. Your backyard. Just like a game you play in your backyard. Mike sliding tiles. Yeah. I mean you never played scrabble gong before. This is slide. Q. Double words. I mean, look people can be Astles when they play scrabble. That's just a way to really put a sound effect on it. Okay. So that one cracked me up, and then a couple of Rick Devon's quotes from this episode. Hey, Rick Kevin's had this to say about how much fun is having a ton of fun where these guys out I feel like a kid or like the fugitive either one is just as fun. That fun to be the fugitive Harrison Ford had the best time running from people who accused him of murdering his wife. He was clearly the most delighted he's been in years. Yeah. He got he got to dive off a damn, rob. I mean, that's just like cliff diving levels of ecstasy. I guess so is there a scene in this new fugitive where Rick Devon's is standing there with his hands up? Anything? I didn't find the idol and Lawrence saying, I don't care you. I know you did. I could see Lauren Tommy Lee Jones, right? Boy. A murder run from the police nonstop fun. I loved Rix Bigfoot run as well. Or just see this panning shot of him. Just making a mad dash across the jungle pants back, Victoria, just sort of staring like, I'm not gonna go after him. What the hell is he doing this that live action, sonic, the hedgehog reboot? And everyone's talking about no too creepy fits listen Rick is as contentious as live action silent the hedgehog is and his teeth are just to see him in. Yeah. Also Gavin described Rick in unusual way at tribal council. He's the master Scouse. He's the master of the skies. That's when he pulls off at this guy's real. It was Dana Carvey all along, rob. That's why. Carved. Dana Carvey, can I ask a question about Gavin off topic. I'd rather have a question about the Carvey. But go ahead. I mean, listen, also, we'll talk about who deserves to be in the turtle club after this. But is Gavin the most normal person to ever place -vivor. Because I mean, no offense together. But look at him. He seemed just like. This is a relatively normal guy. Very mild mannered where it seems everyone else sort of has these quirks and quirks that pop in various ways Gavin just seems very much a smooth operator that doesn't seem like someone would be like, oh, yes. You belong on a reality show. He just seems like a normal person picked out of a lineup given a festive shirt and put onto the show. Would you know him? I think he's he's doing a great job in the game. Even if I might disagree with some of his actions, but his personality at least an interesting comparison to everything else around seems like a pretty normal guy. Yeah. Which again, you need your Michael blue to compare to the other blue mischief going on around. You just seems so interesting that especially nowadays when I think we've really get wacky personalities out of some of these people that you have just just girl Gavin. I think even in the first episode I was reading over my notes and Eric's. What's the wacky thing about living in the south and like fraud pickles? That's Kevin in a nutshell. Here is Rick Devon's talking about why this strategy has been so -ffective for him. I love making them paranoid because it makes them mentally and emotionally exhausted. Brings me joy. It's the Marie condo strategy for Rick Devon's where he is going around looking for all the clutter and just clearing it out. Yeah. Exactly. I know that all these idols are calling you causing you guys pain you to release them. I'll take them very bring him joy. Even though ironically enough, I think Devon's could be on an episode of horrors for his own, you know, mischief. Giving these TV guides. They someone gave them to me anonymously. They dropped them off in my mailbox tudent Rick Colm on we both know that you thought the all of Murphy Brown. There's tune issues of this. Rick. No insult you know, that that's why you got into news. I don't know. I don't even know who can't is Bergen. Is you know, she looks lovely. Hey, look Thursday there in the wizard of Oz on TMC. And Lauren this to hating Rick Devon's allies? She also hates something else is going crazy disappeared nowhere. It's like hide and seek and I always hide and seek if the kid. No. That's a very Aurora type thing for Laura. Hey tied and seek to. Yeah. I would assume she's like why are you hiding? I suck at this. I can never find people. Half of these contestants blue graded and seek. You haven't seen them in forever? Say hi edit bay, they're graded hide and seek, but that's your job necessarily, there's. But I mean learn for what it's worth was able to be the first to find an idol. So maybe it's just a late late coming set of hide and seek skills. Mike. I want to talk about something that went on on the edge of extinction with you this week. And the survivors got a very special reward that we've never seen before on the show. Pushed further than anticipated. Stood the test. This is the wetter. You wrote to yourself or the game. I don't feel like there was a happy on. I feel like that was an off wrap really. Yes. Now, you have to do some reading good thing Aurora wasn't on the edge of extinction yet because that would have involved looking at words, which she does not care for. Yeah. What are these? I hate word sequences. Okay. And mike. I was just wondering if perhaps you could instead of wrapping for us today that could you read to us from the letter. You wrote yourself before you started podcasting about the edge of extinction. Ooh, okay. This is fun. 'cause I literally do this every week. Anyway on the impeach is right down the stupid things. I wrote before this is not unlike the the BNB I will say before we just get into that. So it's interesting that they did this. This might have come out of nowhere. I'm assuming that rob. You did not need to do this during one of your seasons. I have experienced doing this of this was something where at my college in the first week right before or during orientation, we had to write a letter to ourselves during the last week of college. We got those letters back and read what we. Wrote to ourselves. It was interesting because first off I do not think it was appropriate to give seventeen year old boys. The capacity to write to twenty one year old boys. The brain has certain maturation points that they reach at. It was a quite salacious. But what happened? I mean, it's stupid things could hook up again ru cronk on Blue Wave. And of course, I you know, might have fulfilled. One of those requests one of those things off on the other hand was a man hor was not at Bluewave hor. But I think that one of the things that I did it was I thought all right? I'm gonna treat this as an investment opportunity. I'm gonna put twenty dollars in this envelope. So four years from now, and this is an a savings account there won't be any interest rates attached. But you know, what I'm gonna get twenty dollars in four years. That's going to be awesome. Let's say I had a bit too much Blue Wave and other drinks the day before the letters were given out and I miss getting my letter. So consider that the first twenty dollars. I gave to my college. What is Blue Wave Bluewave is a horrible horrible vodka? It's a blue raspberry vodka. That comes in a plastic handle. That's one of those college things that you're like, well this comes in bulk I might as well use this poor this into some solo cups while we play risk together. Because that's sort of class clientele. I associated myself wave in playing risk yet. That's those were my weekends kiss. Anyone sort of expectations to the opposite. Yeah. I wonder if it's still I hope it's not still in the market. Yes. It still is. And it looks just as grody as ever I would not recommend it. I would rather eat a mountains of survivor pizza. Then indulgent any blue. Why Bluewave cheap it was cheap? And you know, you're looking for like, it's cheap hord alcohol. You know, it's just like the. I thought Seagram so was like a cheap type of Jin, basically when it comes to college. Like, if it's plastic you're good. You know, it's exactly the opposite of the environmental procedures. We're not going green here. If it's if it's plastic it'll get you in the state that you want to or who has taste buds when you're in your formative years. Okay. Bluewave vodka the but guess sponsored by Blue Wave. Yes. Mix. Simple tastes that adds to any party. Also, by cheers health. Exactly. All right. So some writing letters myself, I feel like we've gone all gone onto a Blue Wave at this point away from the main island with with some running a letter to myself before covering edge of extinction. Yes. Okay. Let's could you read to us from that letter. Mike, mike. Wow. I can't believe it you made it all the way to educate extinction. I I hope your babies doing well. And that none of your garments were shown to him and dropped on the floor. Boy, would that be embarrassing and any rate edge of extinction is a weird survivor season. But I hope you created with the same kid color gloves. Wait sort of phrase, kid, kid gloves. Kid gloves Scher, kid, colder clubs love Typos in this letter floating out stream of conscious. It was written with one of the tribal council pen. So I couldn't really go out and cross a lot of stuff out. I didn't wanna pull an Aubrey since I knew that she would be cast. I hope that the returnees do not monopolize a lot of airtime. And if they do whatever, they do they don't continually target each other. I hope we get to see such characters as Eric Evan. Chris Underwood and Julia become the mount Rushmore of survivor players are on our screed. I cannot wait to see every chicken slaughtered on this. The edge of extinction is going to be a very interesting place where people pull psychological warfare on each other. There will be no hugging. Not a map to be found as everyone sites to wage mental warfare on each other. I most looking forward to warm for Jinyan mother ream daily who has certainly nothing bad to say about her conditions or her fellow competitors. Just a beacon of etiquette and niceties as for the war dog. His hats will be big and plenty much like his love. At any rate. Mike, I feel like gone a bit too specific with this predictions. As I want to do to let me leave you with one. Final thought come on survivor devil. Come on survivor devil. Come on. He s I owe you twenty dollars. Mike. Did you write yourself? Any of thoughts about the world of pop culture when you wrote this note yourself back in January. Absolutely. I said Mike, you know, what you're about to bring a child into the world start talking to colleges. I bet you could use your pole real well to see if they can get a spot on that USC rowing team. Good idea. I can't wait. I hope that all celebrities are in the audience like constants Wu are Kelly and the fire festival, creators all. Hold on. Contested six. Wow. What a great. I'm sure the final season of game of thrones is received positively by absolutely everybody. The season is overflowing with lights, and they're run it over with story, and for God's sake. Somebody better pet ghost. All right. Wow. Mike a great job with that letter. And you should laminate that I guess so because I don't think we've ever seen something that was more wrong in anybody's life. So I guess I'll I'll post that up. Maybe I'll hoisted up like a flag just waving in the wind put did you think of how this segment it is interesting? It's so so many ways. Yes. By the way, is Constance Wu the rim daily of fresh off the boat. Dude name you wanna get renewed. You know what? This. Crazy. Need to go onto this. You know, what screw this show? But Eddie long, please get out of the sun. Don't get to ten okay. With mental melanoma is something that's really prevalent nowadays. But but otherwise f you lick my book. Okay. So the letter to self was was just was odd. Here's reams letter. Let's listen to Reims letter bring in new patients to be more self sufficient dependent. I'm not needy that I can always be better. We're. Was that really that on the nose? I mean, it was very off the knows that I statement. I think it was like on somebody else's knows that's off the knows. It was I mean this really sound like it applied to rim. This brings me patience to be more self sufficient dependent on not needy that I can always be better seems ironic that reams does not seem to have learned patience from the edge of extinction. Maybe she meant I hope become a new patient at therapist after this. Yeah. Let's hear what else she say. We're. On this. You're voted out. I you your loser. But it took me so long to finally be proud of myself realize. I am a survivor. Well, it took a cream thirty five days of being on the show to realize that she was on survivor. Everything makes sillage more sense now to be fair. It took Keith nail almost seventy eight days to realize survivors. So. Some of the other letters that were interesting, would you think of Chris's letter that Chris Chris learned something when he went out on the rock by himself to read his letter having the edge of extinction. Introspective personal quest to find out why hell much grown how much chains. Yes. Chris a grown and changed PS. Nice. Pene, bro. Tonight. Everybody. Thank you for listening. Why was Chris out on a rock in the middle of the ocean? Did he draw the short straw? When it came to pick these locations uncomfortable, like mermaids only find themselves out there on rocks enduring since or he was the Merman, I suppose he spent enough time at the water God willing, but like that has to be so uncomfortable on both his paternity and back as well. All right. What do you think of this was Lauren at the tribal council? Also from this week. She talked about what it's like to go up against Rick Devon's when he's threatening to play an idol. It's just like the fear factor. Was she shouting out fear factor? I mean, I think she really wants to get a spot on Cullen ludicrous out. She knows how much of a big fan. He is to bring her on with Kelly through the greatest fears of Rick Devon's has too many idols. Are you going to face that fear? Remember when ludicrous was calling out bee's mode cowboy for being a survivor and not on big brother sixteen with Cody and Zack grants. Remember when calebs brother was on there for no particular reason open that's about it. Yeah. And Abby Maria was with seared on Thomas. Yeah. Maybe that's what how Sierra worked up the courage like I could call crawl through a tunnel full of worms. I can Mary Joe Angouleme. Yeah. Clip for clip for Joe's letter, by the way, because I think I misheard something. I don't have the clip for. For Joe Angolans letter. But I do have the clip of bee's mode cowboy being on fear factor. Perfect. It's things act same thing. So. Kayla told me about your experience. Also over extended myself, push myself too hard. I had a stroke, and I had to be lifeline it out. And they nine serious business. That's a fear factor. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe some of these fear factor things, I'm assuming you can do in your backyard right field were meeting. Sure. We remember survivor day say the tribe has spoken to they fear has definitely taken over. And I think ludicrous snuffed are torture. Imagine ludicrous as now we're doing just a big old key party of TV host Rina's now hosting jeopardy. Ludicrous L host survivor the world has gone topsy turvy. Okay. What would you say about Joe's letter? So Joe says be confident be either he says be sneaky or be stinky, and I know his health. Sneaky sneaky, it's kind of sounds like you said be stinky, we can go to we go to the tape. If you want to. We need. This throwing down the flag raising the Matt everybody gets one podcast challenge. Oh, when they appear on the podcast. So Mike is challenging my assertion that Joe Angouleme said be sneaky as one of his Joe Angouleme rules, but Mike thinks that Joe wrote in a letter to himself be stinky race embrace what it's going to be like to be a survivor. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that you know, he wants to fully immerse himself in the experience not come off as too much of a pristine returning player. Fighter. Are anyone I would've never realized without this journey. Confident. You sneaky commit survivor that you are. I think you're alone on the edge of extinction on this one, Mike. Yeah. I mean, I noticed a little laugh and his voice. Maybe it's because he did right. Be stinky. And he's just laughing to himself about writing it, did you notice? This was not an audio thing. But did you notice what the war dog did in his letter with the I am the war dog? He did start off with the word war dog. So yes, he's still referring to himself in the third person. Let's ever devil inherited his writing skills as well as social media skills war dog. So the first question of the survey was why am I here he crossed off the question and to my best knowledge from what I could discern the screen shot wrote like the up his own rules. So this is the I'm gonna make up my own questions. And I'm going to answer them for me. I'll be the judge Wagner here. It's going off the menu off the advantage menu. Exactly. And I'm pretty sure he just one two three four five six seven eight nine. All right. Let's take some more questions here with the great, Mike bloom. And this is one I'm not really sure I got what the question was here. But let me play it for you. And you tell me if you can follow what not dad Mike is talking about here is Mike. Hey, dead, Robin, dad. Mike non dad, Mike you're wondering if you guys can go through all the players that are still in the game. And rank who you think would be best for each one of their games to be coming back from the edge of extinction. Thanks bye. Okay. All right. So he wants to know for each person who could be the edge of extinction person to come back. I'm not sure why Pepe pig music was included. Do we need to refer to each of these players in Chipper British accent? As if we are narrating them. All right. Putty who is forgiving? Okay. David Rudd as quite the DVD collection survivor the title to the Montel making your baby watch TV yet. Are you? I mean, not. I mean, he's watching the shows that we watch. I mean, he's sort of a captive. He can't exactly walk away at this point from the suffer watching. So he's enjoying the reality TV, the paradise hotel premier that. We watched some typical MTV fair. So we're only raising him on the highest quality champagne television. Okay. All right. Real quick Gavin who would be his number one person to come back. I would say who do get any work with Kelly win worth. I think. Yeah. Kelly loves Gavin. She vocalized Gavin. You would say on paper Gavin's, a best fray, and those are his Donald friend, Eric, but he had a hand in voting him out as I don't think you'd be thrilled to Sierra comeback. Kelly. Went worth would be his number one person to come back. Same for Lauren. I would say definitively. So I could say. Maybe I would say I would say had a I guess because they're considering who she was. She hasn't really been working with anybody. It seems like she's really just become tight with like the Gammon of Auras in Victoria. So if any of them were on e oh, we she would have been good with them. But I commend Lawrenceville much for making so many inroads went her number one. Ally was gone with all these new players. Yeah. Okay. What about for? Let's see. I guess Julie. Who would be her best person? Ron I mean Arsenio hauling it up when she was when Rick's that he was gonna use the idol on her. So I think suffice it to say he is taking her out of the trash cans. She standing right now. Okay, clever. Okay. For Rick Devon's. It's David right. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I guess you could say the interesting thing though about break. Devon's is that since he's voted so incorrectly. You could really bring anybody in it as an ally, you could put David in there, you could put war dog in there too since he voted with war dog on that one. I think those are the top two guys. They don't have hair there. Rick Devon's best bet if David Wright comes back into the game. He's gonna work with Devon's no matter what right that sort of like an interesting scenario of everybody on the edge of extinction is pretty pro Rick Devon's based on the jury, but I don't get the sense that people are dying to work with him. But that somebody might come back and be like in Rick Devon's Evans's corner. And really, you know, change up the balance of power. So here's a question that I have about it. Do you think the person who returned from education things that can legitimately win the game? Yes. Yes. You think so even though they're coming into the game? So so late. They've they're hanging out with the jury all day. I guess so then if that's the point they could have attacked the whoever gets back in the game is going to win. The interesting thing about that. Then is as much as everyone is really, you know, acting like Showtime at the Apollo when Rick Devon's comes out and does his song and dance. They're not gonna to your point. They're not gonna want to work with him because they say, David, right? Definitely would David Wright. Definitely would. But I feel like everyone else would say. Oh, wait. Yeah. They're right. Rick as a huge threat to win. I need to get rid of him. So as much game as Rick was talking about how oh just wait you wait until the person comes in from the edge of extinction. This could be getting nother piece of fake news spoken by Rick Devon's the newscaster. How dare you imply that Rick has a fake newscast done. Will rick? Do a final trouble council. Will he do his trademark news anchor done? I feel like only if it's akin to me to the big brother seven finale where Dr will calls boogie on the chill town line during the jury questioning I feel like only if he's prompted you it and he's done it in public. There was a secret. I think back in three where he doesn't use cast and honor of Kelly's birthday. So I feel like it's common knowledge, even though it's become more private or privatized corporatized as of late. So I feel like maybe if David's on the jury and prompt whether like I want you to answer this question, but I want you to answer it in the form of a news briefing. If that's how ridiculous this thirteen person. Final tribal council is going to go then we're going to hear it come in. Okay. Let's play this questions comes to us from Billy. Victoria, have a worse than the race have a friend. I don't know. Julia. I don't know like I mean to her credit like most of her friends are still there. Yeah. I mean, maybe Julia has just been the most malleable, she is the slime. So maybe that's maybe that's why you've been turned off to selected. I would say that maybe Ron it seems like she had a close relationship with Ron even though he tried to throw her under the bus during that chaotic tribal council believe she voted against Rick along with Ron and Julie she would want to come back. Yeah. So maybe I could see that. So it really Horia who would her person be Victoria is. I know I'm bringing up a trigger word here for you, Victoria, sort of like the slime. She she really is flowing from alliance to alliance which really tough to nail down. You know, who she would want back especially because she has really hot from rock to rock like Eric in the middle of the ocean. Reading his letter to Chris or so now now, I'm confusing. These guys I would say Ron probably be the best bet, you know, they seem like they have a friendly relationship except for the time that Braun tried to throw her under the bus in front of her face. But they have stuff stemming back all the way from one. They were throwing Joe under the bus right in front of Joe. And he did she did stick with the plan and voted along with Ron against Rick when he idled out Ron, so I guess that's the best thing. I can think of right now. Okay. All right. Let's go to another voicemail, and this is from one of our listeners Billy who has a question for Mike about Rick Devon's up. This is Billy and to city Iowa. And I just wanted to know if Rick Devin is a millennial. Thank what my congratulations by. Mike is Rick Devon's Molyneaux. Well, he does ruin everything. So. I think that's I think have to our second. Goodnight, folks. End the podcast right there. Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun, the podcast is done. Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun Dun now. Where did this question? Go for what where's this out to do? Anything? Rick Devon's it's thirty three years old. Okay. Is he a millennial I suppose by the pure? I guess it goes back to millennials versus gen X attitude versus age being just a number. I guess he is how old was Mari Takahashi. I feel like she was around that range. Right. She sort of is on the teetering the Takahashi Ken line who's a millennial who's a genetics. And I guess, you know, he's doing crazy challenges like popping out and scaring people for the views and the laws of it. All he has his own at sea shop selling crazy trinkets, and Julie that's true. But doing an on island at least he's he's he's he's making entrepreneurial and starting his own on island venture like millennials. He's very woke in that. He literally wakes up in the middle of the night to find idols in trees. He does complain about the situation that he's in which he feels like other people might have screwed him into which millennials are want to do as well by the other generations. He does have a lot of social debt much like millennials have a lot of student debt. So the more we talk about this the more. I could see Rick Devon's as the biggest millennial since season thirty three proper Mari Takahashi was thirty one in millennials versus gen-x and that was now two and a half years ago. So that would make her the same ages. Rick Devon's okay? So I guess from an age perspective. He's he's right there. He's on the edge of distinction when it comes to an age gap. The interesting thing though, is Rick does not look thirty three. And that means no insult to him on. He's very happily married with children. But I don't know I in exactly thirty three year old books. Like, rob? Can I don't know if you've dispute this this is another sneaky, stinky thing, but he does not look like an thirty three-year-old millennial to me. Well, I think this maybe he carries himself as a. Mature news anchor that he is seemingly older that's true. If you if you considering the news climate we live in today, if you have certain pieces go across your desk every single day certain lines develop across your face. No matter how young you are the news will aid you. Okay. All right, Mike. Let's see some other questions that we have this is one from Curtiss on Twitter and wanted to hear Curtis's now that the season is wrapping up with Mike consider letting ream babysit his new son Asher. I mean, all the people do do not pull that mom card with me. I am not going to mum a bunch of babies. The furniture. JJ theirselves. I'm into this long distance raining. Yeah sport. This is what you can do in your backyard. Jeff. Yeah. So. You know, what I'll? Would you let Rian baby sit your children. Absolutely. She'll give best babysitter. Best babysitter from this season. Well, Rick's gonna play long will not play hide and seek with. I feel like she's off off the off the table. Ron is an educator. Ron is an educator about the kids out of the garbage fan. Yes. Exactly. But also, I fear if I live someplace if I live on Aurora lane that might trigger happy treated differently. And I don't know if my kids to be inflicted by any sort of dance fever, but at the end of it all hates word puzzles. That would not be good for. Yes. Drink kids. Yes. We are very jumble friendly here in the bloom. Household. We just haven't pasted up all over the walls. Let's see, Victoria. I feel like I don't trust. Nobody should trust her. And you said don't let slime into the household. So I don't I think we should promptly cut her off at the gate. Yes. So the toria no way. I think that she's like. You know, she acts. Nice. And then when I leave she throws a party in my house. My knee Wendy would open the door and let my dog out of the house. So I think table he stuck between peanut butter or jelly in terms of what to make him for a snack. And let's see war dog. No way. I mean, we're could at least give him a hat when it gets cold outside. Yeah. But but I feel like he'd be he'd be too out of control. Aubrey would just put too many weird ideas and my kids and make it think it's Halloween. Yes. Julie can make toys Julie can make toys, but you'll see Joey can also get very flighty. And just all of a sudden say she's jumping ship. Yeah. Exactly. And I crawl into my fire escape and just walk off my walk out of my apartment. Okay. All right. Rick could play dress up with the kids. He's the master of disguise. So Rick Rick could play dress up. But I don't wanna get Rick. Rick to psychologically intimidate, my children because I know that gives empower. Brings him joy. Child seem like the fugitive. Okay. All right. And no way Chris Underwood is going to be the Manny. No, listen, I've had problems with my own pants staying up. I don't want another. Factor invited into that house whole. Okay. All right. So we've settled on Rima I feel I could put some Kelly win worth in there as well. What David would be good to? I'd have him bring over his navy dis. And I feel like even though I think he'd also be want to cover his ears upon any loud noise. The produces. I think Joe angle might be the best. He's going to take them outside do arts and crafts paint the flag. It seems like a nice guy who never going to do anything sneaky even the what he tells himself, but he won't give them a bath. 'cause he wants them to be stinky. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mike. And I think this might be last question for you swaggie Jay wants to know interested to hear from ashes perspective. What are his thoughts on the season? So far not ideal coming into the season with only three episodes left. But I'm sure that he can share some unique insight. It is really the ultimate Casuals corner. Right. You bring someone literally into the world. Let alone the world of survivor with one episode left. And you get a failing to ask to what they might be doing. I mean, it looks like from the reactions I've been garnering Rick Devon's he's real glassy eyed towards Lauren, very glassy eyed. I think he peed just a little bit. When Julie was there. I believe he opened his mouth when he saw Gavin little bit of spittle came out when Ron was shown fist pumping just been due to these circumstances of us feeding him I will say maybe he was a bit triggered. He did crier little bit. When Jeff was salaciously talking about the spa award and everyone. Pigging out. So I think I have created a child that would definitely sit out a challenge for a shot at food. Okay. There you go. Mike anything else that you want to say about the survivor edge of extinction as we head towards the finale. All right, rob. Let's let's put him we made a couple of bets over the course of this podcast. Let's plant our flag and promptly raise it here. Who out of the what eleven people at the being next episode who in your opinion is coming back from the edge of extinction because I have a grand unifying theory about this that I'm sure be wrong about. Okay. I think it's going to be Aurora. Okay. So you think it's going to be the Aurora volving door. Yes. I could see that. Here's my thing. This letter segment was super weird, right? Still very strange that we have I guess Willard Smith survivor mailman stopped by to drop off some letters for everybody. But I think if you're looking at the extinction from an emotional perspective, it close things out in a variety of ways for a lot of contestants. My big theory is that anyone who read their letter on the edge of extinction. This past episode is not going to come back. Oh, I I think that represents for. I'm sorry. I know you built out a lot of patience there rebe, but you're going to have to step about a mile further and re out. Because fortunately, I think you're you're game might officially be done next episode. Okay. So that was closure in your mind. If they read the letter yet because I think that that's what people it's been talking with other characters as well. Because this really felt like a lot of people sort of reckoning back to what they wrote when they came in and saying, okay, I might not have gotten a million dollars might not have even given myself twenty dollars out of this experience. But you know, what this is sort of what I've emotionally reconciled and I don't need to win the game. I learned so much about myself. We saw that with people like Julia with Chris with Eric as well with David. Speaking of weddings, David might do something interesting with his girlfriend Lee considering says he wants to treat his relationship more maturely. So that makes me feel like that leaves other people sort of within Lipsius at the end of their story that complete. Whether it's an out the door in the finale or not and so who's left from that. So we have what we have war dog. We have Kelly went word, Ron Ron. And we have a Rura obviously coming back. I'm going to put my pin on Miskelly Wentworth. I think she's coming back Niki sneaky sneaky, stinky. It is. Yes, come back and win. I don't think. So. But I believe that. I don't know it just feels so weird that so much time was disproportionately focused on these returnees to have none of them in the finale would be absolutely bonkers. Granted this is an absolutely bunker season. But I just feel like it would hew closer to the themes of this season to have Kelly on there. Even if it's a short flash in the pan thing, you know, she knows about Lawrence idol, she can work with her for it. Maybe a lead to her just going right back out the door and into the jury, but I feel like spoke about. Of all the returnees. I think she also has the biggest unfinished potential. She was one who got blindsided with an idol in her pocket. So that's going to be my big bold prediction here. I think we see Kelly microwave back into the game. And I think we see a final three of Lauren, Julie and Rikki Tikki Tembo no-show Rambo char Pucci pip Perry Pombo as our winner of survivor edge of extinction. Okay. There you go. All right, Mike well done. I really appreciate you making so much time for us today. And they got a lot going on with the new baby. I mean, the pleasure was all mine. Rob I absolutely love to take a little detours from parenthood has been crazy so far, and it has been wonderful and so- eventful even in the week that has passed like not even imagine what is to come. But I will always relatives time to come on and talk with you. We're really writing audio letters to each other in real time. To a bunch of people who are BCC too. So I want to thank you for being my perennial pen pal for so many. Yes, hope everybody enjoyed all of our audio letters, of course, Mike Flood. Well, hopefully Aurora doesn't think they're too jumbled up that you'll hate them. Mike will be getting back to his regular audio lettering. Coming up soon. Mike, we'll you have time to get together for a brand steal this summer. Oh, absolutely. I actually have a proposal for you here. Honor of your last prolific feedback show guest. Rob how you feel in about survivor Zadie idle and Zadie island. Okay. Go on. So we're thinking let's take the original crop, which well, maybe we throw some shortlists in their contenders for the twenty twenty calendar depending on when that release drops. But let's see who the best Zadie of them all the mix. Let's put it into the mix. I don't know if I wanted to. All men survivor, and Lauren Rimmer addition of the brand steel. Yeah. I could see that. Let's put it in the war dog hat, and we'll picks out. And because we still have stands versus ops coming up on the Robin Kenyatta podcast. We also be on the lookout for that. Of course, we have what's what are we come up with on amazing race sprains versus prawn versus Pruitt ease. Yes. Yes. Maybe an amazing race. Brand steel could be the way to go. Also, maybe we should cast a another survivor versus big brother or I've never done a big brother brand steel. Also, that's another one potentially on the bucket list. Yeah. We'll see if the BBB is or not. But yeah, I would love to do that to simulate more survivors, and there will be real survivor seasons going on as well. As rob says shit engaged tonight. We are really revving down and reading back up like a wayward Vietnamese motorbike, the survivor engage. I know real Oregon cycles or donor cycles, if they were so Shannon gates, I'll be doing weekly coverage of survivor South Africa, which should be premiering the day after edge of extinction. So if you've got you're saying one more survivor, or you know, I'm so pumped up for that recent ending or I'm so down on then recent ending. There's more survivor for you to check out over the summer. And I actually believe the premier should be available on YouTube for free might be that might be some real Devin fake news. Don't hold me to that. You can check out. Shannon's cats breakdown with Leon Boris for the word on the street. Is that no matter what we've got those links in the rubs podcast patriot group. Absolutely. The island of not. That's what I'm here. Yeah. Not so secretive with the links to island of secrets, but she ended and I will be doing that. I'm really looking forward to talking more survivor as the season progresses. I will also be wrapping up the H P B and B as well. I'll make my return there with your friend and mine, Eric Stein will be making so. Great on the finale podcast for David versus Goliath. Yeah. And he was great with you a few weeks ago as well. So I'll be super excited to get his reception behind not only how the season finished. But I guess the online reaction as well, which has really changed much like the season has over the course of the past few weeks, as I'm sure we'll also preview what these survivors. Devil has in the works. Also big back covering rupaul drag race, but just had its own barrel of shenanigans. That's here. Don Thomas is writing up Donkey Kong style, I'll be doing that with Brent and Liana. And of course, rob you and myself and Jessica lease have been for two Disley covering this season of the amazing race, which has been so much fun. We're gonna be about like halfway through the season when we come back and a couple of weeks so lots of irons in the fire, but I'm feeling nice and toasty. All right. Great stuff, and we're so thankful to everybody who made it this far into the podcast Mike, did we have that hashtag ready to go? You mean? Nice pain pro. Nope. All right. That'll be hold on. Let's let me. Let me bring in Kelly win worth. Hell, no, all right Lindell, that one's just for you. That's it honor of your clean voicemail. All right. Well, we've got a couple of feet here. I got a scrabble gong. I've got a eyeteeth role. I've got a sneaky, stinky. Let's see. Gimme the gimme the scrabble gung. Yes. Cripple gong. Eriko scrabble is not getting the gong from the gong show. Meaning it is good and is going through. Okay. Of course. Thanks to the patrons Rob's podcasts. Make all of this nonsense this week possible. And the Mike bloom finale preview lived up to the billing be sure to follow what we'll be following the draft live in the rob is podcasts. Patron Facebook group. Rob has website dot com slash patron for everything that we're doing over. There are secret patron only podcast feed and everything all summer long. Rob has a website dot com slash patron. And also make sure you have your dial into the game of thrones episode five as well as the big bang theory. 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This Week in Survivor: Survivor 38, Episode 12 with Liana Boraas

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This Week in Survivor: Survivor 38, Episode 12 with Liana Boraas

"Stock about. Take. So we can buy the smartest oriented. Why? Sarabhai? You've are. Yes. That's right. Where back for this week in survivor episode. Number twelve I'm rob sister, Nino here to cover everything going on here as we wrap out episode and number twelve for the week. And then we have the wiggle room on this weekend. Survivor, of course, here with us. The man who created the this week in survivor history quiz, the great Jordan Kayla's here. Jordan. How are you? Doing. Well, had it had a good week. I thought it was a pretty fun episode of survivor. So I'm hanging in there. Why what happened on your week? I'm no nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Really interesting. Okay. You made it sound like it was a really good week. Did I? Yeah. I thought it was downplaying the week. I I don't know. It was fine. It was I worked I've coached in lost baseball game. And it's about it. Okay. We had a fun fun viewing party with the pizza and beer lions in New York, which but that's a common occurrence. Okay. Well, maybe had such a good week because you were in anticipation for our guest on this week in survivor. She is the co owner of the ouray JP BNB, you could hear her on a bunch of different ra- happe- podcasts, the great Liana Boris Liana. How are you? I'm good sounds like Jordan really had a crazy week compared to me. My fire alarm the battery died so beeped at me for a while. It was the worst. Like, I don't under-. Here's what's the deal with fire alarms. No like, it just continues to be, but you can't turn it off. So now it's sitting on my desk off. On. So anyway, that was the that was the ordeal in my world this week. Okay. All right. Well, Leon please the practice fire safety. Okay. I'll plug it back and afterwards, I promise. Okay. Survivor is like a broken fire alarm, how cells constantly ream. Broken fire alarm. Great try to change my battery. Okay. Imagine CVS dot com came out with like reinfect alarms that just yelled duty. You wouldn't your house on fire? Represents life. But not not in this case. Listen, do the house is on fire. Get out get out to listen, bro. Yeah. All right, Liana Boris is here, and we're very excited to catch up a on. Of course, you can hear Liana this weekend on the RA GP BNB with special guest host the tabulates Kirk Clark. And my co host on Robin Akiva needed podcast to keep a Winokur. That's right. Yes. We talk about this episode. I know we're going to get into a little bit of it here. But, you know, don't worry unless we don't we don't talk about too much. Hopefully, there won't be too much overlap in less reading reviews of the Ron Clark story count as talking about this episode. I think we'll be okay that was my whole quiz this week. What what what am I gonna do? Okay. That's that's a this week in Ron Clark history. It'll be questions from the movie or well, we have had some great podcasts this past couple of days where we had Dominic and Kellyanne from ghost island on together with me on the recap. Then of course, the traditional Bryce Isaiah feedback show. We got into that on Friday afternoon, and that's up now on rod has a website dot com wiggle room. Still to come here on the episode twelve batch of podcasts, but Leon how are you feeling now after episode number twelve only a one more regular week in the finale left to go. Yeah. So it's interesting looking forward to the finale not like, I mean, maybe in a positive way. But just like thinking about it because what is gonna happen with the island of. Extinction. I just still don't know exactly win. The person is gonna come back. How exactly is this going to work? What is going to be the reaction to the person who comes back from the edge of extinction? How might that person fair? If they do make it to the end, I feel like there are so many unanswered questions. And we're really at this precipice before we get there of just utter confusion. It just seems like right now, this is sort of the bastard child of survivor, and I'm not quite sure exactly how it's going to play out. Also Veivers are Bestard's in their parents is. I think it's also going to be wild. When we get the massive edge of extinction exodus. Yes. Exactly. So with the baseball team that is the jury slash the island of extinction residents. So they now all get to go to Ponderosa does the island get abandoned to Seoul person comes back in. I think that we're going to get a scene where everybody doesn't get back into the game is going to like collect their stuff and Reema is going to have a torture like listen ship, your good friend here for thirty six days. But now, I'm gonna light you on fire. Listen, dude, you're on fire. You're on fire. Beep, beep beep. Evacuate island. Yeah. Dirty memorialize. I don't know a really cool a really cool challenge to return. What if it's like hand on a hard I, but they all have to hold onto the mast like just like the post where the mass design like they didn't raise the thing the whole time. And now they just can't take their hand off of it until somebody reenters the game. I don't know how you gonna do that with like eleven people. Those the stand around a circle get really close. I'm sure Riemann board will love being right next to each other. That's like one of those radio show contests where everybody has their hand on a car, and like the last person to be holding onto the car wins the car. That's exactly what it sounds like. That's fine. I mean, they have all the time in the world to do that. So they can start the challenge like a day before someone actually has to go back in. Yeah. A why the biggest problem I think is just the Jeff's not going to stand there for three days while somebody who's trying to get back in the game. Okay. Liana? So Ron Clark is you've been tracking the new Ron Clark a rule book all season long. What's your thoughts on the end of Ron Clark, pending not returning from the edge of extinction? Well, I think the first thing that stands out to me is the whole family. Visit thing that has happened where he uses earlier in the season. Let's just all make it to the family. Visit and then he makes it to the family visit and his promptly voted out. Everybody honored their deal to him. Yeah. Exactly to the family. Visit won't that be nice? We just get to the family. Visit. And then I won't I won't give you your visit with your loved ones. You can see them though, only Gavin Julie, I'm sure they remembered that they're like, okay. We just have to keep Ron until the family visit then we're allowed to vote him out deals here. This Ron line really made me laugh though. When he's talking about his facial hair. And he's asking Lloyd if he likes it at the end of this. You like it. Kid friend. Up friends. I have never loved Ron Clark more than that singular line. It was so good. He just these friends so enduring Theron in that moment, just. Yes. Everything else after that not so much. But like that is really really great. One of the great things to be out. Ron Clark was that. They were really like two different Ron Clark's where he was like super nice Ron Clark in the group setting of saying to everybody. I love comma, these these are my friends, and wouldn't it be nice? We'll all get to the loved ones. Visit. We can just relax and then the confessional. Ron Clark was super duper shady and like very like cutting in all of his confessional remarks. Yeah. For sure I don't know who the cutting confessional. Ron Clark is. But I feel like the happy. Go lucky. Ron Clark is giving me a little bit of like, Mr. Mackey from south park, salty, friends like that. Okay. That's sort of what I get from him. And then the cut-throat one I don't know what that is. That's a real wrong lurk. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know who the true Ron Clark is. But. Very fun to watch the two Ron Clark's which one shows up in the movie. Oh, that's a good question. I haven't actually watched it. Probably something I should do one thing that did come to light through the BNB is there's some milk chugging that happens to like motivates students or something. So I don't know which which Ron would have chugged the milk. But yeah, I'm not sure I'm not entirely. Sure is Lloyd in the movie. Okay. That was my question because Hello. Ron's husband. Yeah. Lloyd can be in a movie anytime, I would watch that movie. But we think Kirk decided the potentially had happened before the movie was before they may be got married. So we're not entirely sure. From what I understand. I think that the movie takes certain liberties with the story that may not have been historically accurate that never happens movie is about. Liane? I wanted to ask you. So where do you come down on the great Rick Devon's debate of twenty nineteen? Are you in on Rick Devon's? Do you stand? Rick devon's. Or is Rick Devon's your ops? Okay. I knew I was going to get this question. Because this is the hot debate of the week. I think you timely on read it almost every single thread right now is I love Rick Devon's. Or I hate Devon's everybody is weighing or way out on Rick Devon's. I know that that young Rick Devon's is very very high on future. Jordan Kayless has Dan. That's right. Yeah. I don't, you know mini. Rick Devon's I don't wanna step on your toes or anything. I loved this concept, though, that you talked about rob of the Rick Devon's rohrschack test like what the rohrschack test of the probably a newbie game. Their next week. But it's definitely to me. I thought like, oh, this is laurel Yanni the yellow gold black blue because it does seem to be so polarizing it's like one or the other and there's nothing in between which for me as someone who feels like I fall in between like I can appreciate Rick Devon's for the entertainment that he brings to TV. I don't really get the severe hatred of Rick like, I guess, I don't really know. Exactly what he's doing that Garner's likes that level of can't stand. Rick his showmanship. But on the other hand, he's not super appealing. Oh my gosh. Rick Devon's is the best character ever. So I think for me I'm entered entertained by him, and especially his blasting of Ron and Julie at that tribal. I was all about that. Because in terms of the emotions that are brought out on reality. TV shows the extreme emotions are always so much fun. And. Anger as my personal favorite. So the really went after them that was really great. I thought and this. Yes. He's. I was just gonna say the clapping at the end when he development vote for Ron ago. Entertain at the same time. Like, you're such a doofus. Leila. Leila. Is it possible? Did he know more than the episode led on in terms of where the votes were ultimately going like did somebody have a conversation with him of like, hey, if you have an advantage, you should play tonight like with somebody sort of like really invested in seeing go where I mean, he still cast his vote for Aurora. So I think that that would take her potentially add to the mix, but he did seem like not shocked that the votes were coming for Ron and was really delighted. Yeah. That's a good question. So I was trying to sort of put all of this together. And I think the conversation that we saw with Victoria, and Lauren, and then a Rura I think that happened during the that happens later in the episode, but I think that actually happened during the reward. So I think that there was sort of a planned thing between the two say, okay, look, we're definitely voting out Rick. However if. Does have an idol we need a contingency plan. So I don't think because of that that they were really in cahoots with reckon would've let him know. I I don't know. We'd have to go back and look exactly at the shot because Rick still voted for a rural. Like just in case. It is. Okay. But I don't know he seemed to believe Ron Clark. Also with the whole menu thing at least in his confessional. That's the way it sounded. I just wonder if those might have been cut where he was talking about how you know that oh, this is such a great gift that Ron gave me and then followed it up by or it could be complete up gifts. I guess we'll have to find out because he did play the fake advantage menu. I and I did feel like he was almost like one of these like trial, lawyers that you see in a movie where he is like asking a set of questions. And then when he gets the answer that like the person thinks they got one over on him. He ends up like. Turning around with like a complete like out of nowhere point. Because I mean, there's just the delivery did seem like you rehearsals. Where he came back around. And then got the got the idol out. So did you the code Ron? I did not. I did not. One of the other really fun. Rick Devon's moments that I haven't seen talked about a lot anywhere was when Rick found the clue to the advantage. The need it to be secret. I'm gonna go get it right now. This is of impression like needs the idols. No, you must wait for the idol thing that popped into my head and not moment. It's such a good club. Right in they're gonna March in there. I'm just gonna go grab the no. It was like a out loud voice overs. Great. Doesn't really fun. And look I really appreciate what Rick Devon's is bringing to the show. I understand why people aren't on him. But for me, he's bringing a lot of entertainment to this show. And I can't say that for the rest of the other castaways that are out there on the main island. I agree. I've I've loved the whole the whole season. And I think I think part of the backlash against him. Is that people that aren't really loving him are sort of annoyed by the fact that so many people are entertained in do love him. I mean, look, I I've said it before where I don't think that Rick Devon's is playing the best game of everybody left. I think that's Victoria. But as far as entertainment on the show, I think they're downplaying so much of what Victoria's doing which I think is a shame because she is the one who has been in on every vote even though she didn't vote for Ron in this episode. She clearly knew it was going on with Rick. We don't know if you knew national. They're downplaying. What Victoria is doing that? I think that she's not getting as much of an edit for someone who has been so instrumental in every single vote yet. But you feel like that they're trying to hide her or do you feel like that? There's just like a not great footage because I always operate under the assumption that survivor if they have great footage, they're not gonna leave that on the cutting room floor. So if they have, you know, really great confessionals of a person talking about what they're doing. I don't know why they would hide that. It doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't want to put the best stuff in the show. Well, no, I I think that though, then wouldn't they have included the war dog versus reim- segment from the edge of accents fair. That's the best case so far the they don't include the best stuff on the show when they leave the war dog versus ream on the cutting room floor. Yeah. I think maybe I think almost every scene that we have gotten were Aurora. Sorry now, we're Royal where victim. Oria did Victoria Aurora before. Because. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. I think every scene where we have seen Victoria highlighted has been great. I think she's a very unique character. But I also think part of what makes her so unique is that she's a civil character. So I think some of her confessionals have been really good. But maybe there just isn't the the amount of content that we have somebody like Rick and again, I'm a huge fan. So it's not it's not any slight against him. I just think strategically she's been in on every vote, and she's never been in the minority. But I feel like that you could play a game that's under the radar. But you can also be narrating. What's happening in the show? It doesn't necessarily oh we'll show her game is under the radar. So we're not seeing her confessionals where she's breaking down everything that's happening in the game. No. I think I think that's a good point. Well, if you like subtle players, I have a character view. His name is Brett from Samoa. Tyson. Yeah. I think things ain't person. I don't know. It's interesting because you think about the major characters that are left, and obviously Rick ovens is the major character remaining on the main island, and then there's sort of these other like supporting characters that are there. And I think some of the qualms with over ovens is getting all this airtime and getting editors then there's no one else to really turn to because everyone else's seemingly has less of an edit to them, and I know less about their story, and I really don't in comparison know that much about the other people that are left. Yeah. I do think that that's a big factor. In terms of like, whatever Rick Devon's backlash that there is where he is the person who is the outsider all the other people are working against him. But we are seeing the most of his story when he is clearly on the out strategically in the game where it makes it feel like that his story is more important to the season. And the story of the people who are actually navigating where this thing is going. Do you think he needs to be the the Mike Holloway in order to like to win out? You mean like when the? Yeah. I mean, I think that he just seems to be standing out, especially with the way that the jury is responding to him. I mean, you can't help if you're a person on the other side and see the type of responses that he's getting and think oh, yeah. I should definitely let this person go to the end with me. But he very much reminds me a little bit in the edit of like Benji Bergen. But the problem is is that there's no Chrissy in contrast there, or you know, what Ryan who's the other person. Well, Ben is. That name has been thrown around a lot because everybody is trying to get Ben out of the game. And he is finding all these idols in his season. But I think there were a lot of other people that were in that season where when we get to the final five that everybody has a little bit of a shot to win the game. I mean, don't forget about you have Devon Pinto. Who was there who a lot of people thought that he could win the game? You had Ryan you have, Krissy. Dr Mike is there too. And so you had a lot of people that you Lauren Rimmer was still there. I think at the final seven, and there was a lot of people that you felt like well this is really anybody's game. But Ben was the person this doesn't necessarily feel that same way. So you have that with Rick Devon's where he is the Ben reeburg thing. But that he also is great in the confessional and these little scenes on the fly. So he also I think has a bit of Cochran in him. Him who's another person that has had his own share of backlash against people where he's polarizing character. People. Love seeing him on the show. And it's like, oh my God enough of Cochran stop shoving him down our throats, if the see him why does he have so many confessionals? So Rick is sort of the Ben reeburg in mixed with Cochran. Depending on your mileage on those types of characters. That's really I think why every so polarized. What a love child that would be. I guess it is it's it's wreck. I just go back to the other people and think about what are their narratives throughout this season. What his heavens narrative? The only thing is install remember about Gavin is that voted out his best friend, and he married today's his. Yeah. And he got married two days before survivor like those are the two things I know about Gavin. It also might be a factor that you know, we're seeing a lot of Rick Devon. And also might be that the other people who are in the game may not be giving them the best confessionals to to us. Also where that not everybody that's left in the final six really pops off the screen when they're giving their different quotes or analysis of what's going on. So they lean on Devon's a lot. And that might also be contributing to. What's going on? Let me bring in a voicemail that we didn't get to a lot of the voice mails that were from the feedback show with Bryce let me bring in this question that is from Lauren and she wants to ask a question about what's going on on the edge of extinction. High bright more in time caller longtime listener at the last tribal council, we hall lean wearing the sale from the extinction as an article closing. Fabulous stashing since one of the island with purple tan status where? Okay. All right Liana. Do you have any thoughts on ream wearing the sale? Well, first of all sorry, Lauren. He didn't get Bryce to answer this question. But someone currently wearing an oversized Suraj a t shirt and like tiny shorts. I will do my best to answer this question. So bream completely taking over all of the items of the edge of extinction is I think one of my favorite things like she has opted the sale to be her own clothing. She's now bringing it around everywhere because this one unless it got really dirty, it's gray which is different than the white one the shoeless wearing earlier so somehow found more fabric out there and totally here for it. Listen to I got here. I everything on this island. Mine I claimed it. I've got to sail, and it's mine, and it doesn't mean I'm raising the sale because I'm never ever leaving his island. Okay. Have you ever seen pirates of Caribbean? Where like the the crew of Davy Jones the Davy Jones like the pirate his crew becomes part of the ship. I think this is a case of reimb- cart becoming part of the edge like they all turned into these fish, and I think remains becoming like a an edge of extinction creature. And I think even when they kicked him off like when after the challenge, I don't think Rima's leaving the edge of extinction. I think she lives there now. Well. It's like all right ream time part of the listen dared. I'm never leaving. I can't have to stay here. Forever. Part of the island. This is a symbiotic relationship, we need each other all the trees started die. Go without me. I'll be fine. I'm pretty sure she even said it was in the secrets in that we were talking about earlier with Riemann war dog. And I think she said something to the extent of this might as well be my island because I was here. I think really it is she's co opted designed it is resigned. Yeah. She's gonna leave and you're going to hear like a collective like well all the wildlife and the trees just gonna go. Name and everything's just gonna die on the haunted island. Leon do you like this idea for a future season of survivor survivor, Reem island, where the contestants that every every episode somebody gets sent to go to re Mylan, and she gives them a remaining. But then there's also the opportunity that they can play for like, listen. All right. You want this advantage or what we're going to play a game? Okay. There's this three sales and one of them has an advantage over the other two is a baller ice that you're gonna go. And then go up the steps and go fill up and get my dinner. So is this like ghost island esque where you know, you have to play a game period. Play Rian game. Ream where ongo silent used to like, okay? This is a play game. If I open this read the clue Rina's just there. And then she just like choose you out like she did to ward off in the the whole time that you're there. I would definitely be here for that. Twist. Like, I said, they emotion that I get most excited about on reality TV is anger. And so renamed just going after some of these portions testi- that are out there. Really? I think would make it that much better. I mean, if you're going to bring back a ghost island esque twist, I think this is definitely the way to do it. The buff is just like the logo for the season's just reinstate with a with a chat bubble. That's dude. Silhouette silhouette come on tacky to have her face on the buff. This was her with war dog. Just I can't get enough with this evening that you can bet your rear end, you're going to get it tomorrow for me. Just so, you know, expectation bitter bitter. Yeah dog I'm not bitter. I think that you're mature. I don't have the energy to deal with baked by gotta be with. You can't be fake about oil and water. So why are you even sit next me water over there too? Eyelid as you saying that we're dog is part of the part of the water. He's off the island where Ellen water. This is where the oil goes you go over there and the war. Sweeping the ocean telling telling ward octa, go sleep in the ocean. Go back to the ocean. You see me these challenges. I can't even swim in the ocean. Have room for you on this island? I'm a little to be huge. I got here and Williams supposed to be. The energy for the Biaz right now. I got beef with you get out. I don't want you. Yeah. That's so good her interacting people. I think really makes this even better is then what happens to Ron Clark at the end of. No heart. It's just a game. They Ron Clark is like he is doing his penance have been have been have been a bad boy in this game and reinforcing about it really have lottery of lot game. He's here. Yeah. Ron Ron Clark is obviously water he can oil. He can stay your oil run. You can stay. You're like vinegar you pair. Well with me that's another future season survivor oil versus water. Who's this? Who's this? That's the island with three Meilen to us. What the remind was. This group of people. They're loyal. They're slippery slide through life. Nothing to them. If no friction whatsoever. These people are vinegar that they're bitter. People around way can't catch any flaw. This tribe, and these people their water they've move in the flow state, whatever container there in they moved to fill him. So not going to be on the water tribe. Right. No, no, come on. God. Okay. Let's see from the from the episode. Lemme view a piece of strategy moving forward. Let's see. This was another question that we didn't get to with Bryce, and let's go back to Karen from the love you bay area. Had this question high rather than vase? This is Karen from the love you bay area loving that I'm gonna hear you talking soon. I'm wondering about the situation with Lawrence idle because usually the six is the last time you can play an idol. But we are presuming that it's going to go from six down to five and back up to six again. So I wonder if there's some other deal with her I'll or she's going to think this is the last time she can use it can then use it again. Anyway, love to hear your thoughts about that. We all know what's going to be the deal with the with the you can put it Idelson five. Right. Yes. So she'll be good for this one. But then somebody's gonna come back. But I don't know if they don't know when they're gonna come back is that going to throw her off. Well, they know it's going to happen at some point in time. So they can probably jus it's not gonna be at the final three. But I don't know you never know. Maybe not the final force and sound they know about the final fire making challenge. So maybe think, oh, they might come back in at the last time you could play your idols. So I, but it's so confusing because when you have to go down to like do you go down to final four and that would go back up the final five. Oh my gosh. See this is what makes this twist. So confusing about exactly what time they're gonna come back in because to me. No, I sure that it is going to be down to final sit seven. No, I'm just operating under the assumption that we're gonna see somebody voted off this week. And then the finale is going to start with somebody coming back into the game. And they'll have to get through to votes back in the game, which I think is so much better than if somebody came back at the final five, and they only had with four people left making it a new final five and they only had to win one challenge before the fire making really scared of before the season, but with the amount of episodes left. I think it's going to be coming back in with five making it a new final six. We'll see I mean with Ozzie he came back in it got down to four and then it came back to five with Ozzy back in the game. But that was with no final firemen. So we'll see I will not like it a lot. If we get down to five people or get down to four people, and then and then bring somebody back, and then it's five to get through one vote before we get the fire making. So then she would know because someone would come back making it the final six. Again, before she has to like, oh you have to play it now. Because if you're gonna go final five to final four then back to final five, then Lauren could be out, you know, use it unnecessarily potentially. When she may have been able to use it that next the next tribal. We do you have a prediction as to who's this week. Oh my gosh. I have no idea what is happening in terms of the future of this game. So I do this thing which is really fun. Every survivors even fund office pools where we try to predict who's going to go each week. I know I'm erred, and I just have no sense of what is going on. Because I think it was Jeff probe said at the beginning of the season. Like, this is going to be like a murder mystery. And this is what does that mean in terms of editing? I think what it means is that I have no clue what's going on. Which means I should never join you guys run out all of them. It'd be terrible out. But I guess if I had to pick someone I mean, obviously, Rick is the. First person that stands out just because he is like, oh, the huge threat. But that's obviously assumingly doesn't want him unity. So I guess my money would probably be on Rick. If I had to pick someone just because Walsum, I get a go with I think recast to be out if he doesn't have another idol, or if he doesn't win immunity, I would say though, and again, we were we've been talking a lot about the edit. The fact that Rick really seems to be the only person left in the game with like with a like, I wouldn't say an obvious winners edit, but with like, a real substantial edit, I think there's a good chance that he does find another item. Or he does when immunity, and I think my guess for the person going out next for whatever reason would be Gavin. I think he is seen as a big threaten the game. I could we sort of sauce seeds of a Lauren and Julia relationship forming where they were talking about the women getting together that would of course, include Victoria and Aurora. So I think that Gavin could be potentially in trouble. If devons were to win immunity or find an idol. I think Rick Devon's is going to get voted out. And I think he is going to win his way back in he's going to pull the Victor here early. So that's actually really interesting because I was thinking about the people who are out on the edge. They have no shot right at the reward challenges where at least if you're in the game, you have some shot at reward challenges. And I don't know it have to go back and look and see if Rick has won some, but you're theoretically, getting more nutrients potentially than the people that are out on the edge. So the least amount of time you spend out there. Maybe the better chance you have of getting back into the game. Maybe that's why we're not seeing that much because Joe and Chris Underwood are just like catching like a million fish and Stingray. And it's like a real like smorgasbord out there. Yeah. Maybe I think also I don't know who I would pick out of the edge of extinction cast members unless it's like a quick revolving door type situation this really stand out as yeah. This person is. Definitely gonna come in. And if it's not Rick I think whoever gets voted out this week. I think is going to come back into the game. Because I don't have a good feeling about anybody. That's on the edge of extinction. That is going to come back in and win. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. There actually was another thing. I wanted to talk about and talk about Rick made me think of this. Okay. Was Jeff Jeff is not always the smoothest when it comes to interacting with the loved ones. But I thought he was particularly awkward this go round. Just me. This. Oh, the episode is called awkward like, oh, it's Jeff Bruton super. There was the whole thing with Lawrence. Yeah. I don't wanna know what you whispered in your dad's ear, and then Rick with his wife, does it trigger you, and she brings up your son. And he doesn't know where you are. I don't know there were just some like their comments. I thought it was particularly offer at this time. Yeah. It is like a weird of spot where Jeff is like prying into the nature of the relationship of. Okay. So what's it like being a person who's married like, yeah? I guess it's fun ups and downs. You know, like, Jordan. What's it like being a son? Let's not answer that question. Yeah. That's why. Because just doesn't want those types of reacted. I don't know what it's like to a son. He really wants to have those DT our conversations on national TV Liana. How do I get my EMMY this time? To find the relationship, Jordan. Okay. Okay. 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The current contestants have a little bit slow down with everything that they were saying about the show Liana. I wonder why that could put on. Boyle had I don't know with the exception of war dog who is same same as ever. Okay. Let's let's see. What's what's going on here? So a lot of reactions from the survivors about the family. Visit Davey Rickenbacker was very proud of the big salute to my boy, Mr. Ron Clark for not only time on CBS. But for all that he does for youth here in Atlanta with the Ron Clark academy. Proud of you mate. Good luck getting back in so count Davey as a Ron Clark fan. I wonder if Davey counts as one of math friends, friends, friends. Ron clark. What do you think wrong Clark's role in the wrong Clark academy is still teach? Does he know idea? There's a debate on this on the like what exactly does he do? What exactly would just say you do here? I feel like he does everything he could be like the willy Wonka where more of the tour guide, but he could also I could see him doing every job from why lunch lady to like emceeing the the school shows. Like, I think he does I think he does everything the sides teach at the school. So you think that people will win a ticket to go. Visit the Ron Clark academy. And then he takes them through and loses some people on the way a lot of teachers goes there for training. Yeah. They all come back. They they all they all come back the escape. But yeah, I mean, look teachers teachers do go there and the willy Wonka story, it's like survivor, you lose people on the life. And they go the. Yeah. Survivor hits really like willy Wonka. Chocolate factory. Kind of is. At the end, you win the lot of money. Like a pinball machine. Just like Willie Wonka all say, all right. Let's talk about Jacob Derwin tweeted, man, I should really be paying more attention to the season. Same. Maybe like who are these other people? We don't know either. You are not alone. Stephen fishbach tweeted, this is more pertaining to the amazing race. I didn't go on the amazing race because it interfered with my wedding conclusively proving that I'm a better husband than Gavin fired. Yeah. That was that was pretty funny. Also by the way, shout out to your Instagram takeover. Thank you. Thank you. That was lovely my personal favorite. One was the how to save money on your Honey. I liked that one gonna what thought about the wrong Clark rule of the week. We went with something else. But yeah, that was lovely. That's a good move. It's a good move of just like have like engagement like around the time like with survivor casting is happening and then set that up, and then you could go either way because at one if you have cold feet, and they have good excuse to get out of getting married, and then to have the quick wedding save some money, and then save more money on honeymoon. Yeah. Exactly. I think it totally makes sense. But also, you know, what I will say like shout out to Stephen. It was a smart call that you guys didn't end up going because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to get married on June ninth, which is like my personal favorite date, of course of all time as married. Thanked me recently for informing him that his anniversary was June ninth. And that he will never not think about that. As he should speaking of weddings. Randy Bailey said if I ever get married there's no question, I will get divorced. I want at Aurora McCreary to be my divorce lawyer. I love the way she thinks. That's what you should do. Get divorced and go on survivor instead. Colin. All right. It's all part of your story. Yeah. I would also want Aurora's my lawyer, I should've used I mean, we didn't end up getting lawyers for the divorce because it was amicable. But like me and my ex husband like, I if we had been going at it. Roar is definitely the lawyer that I would want she. Although she does have she does tend to let all the information out would worry. Keep you know, like between us she would just say it anyway. Yeah. I feel like that one of her things this season is that they have talked about her like, well, you never know if she's going to let the cat out of the bag at tribal council this time, we saw her going through said bag. That's a good point. I didn't even think about that. So Aurora also tweet about how she was messing with her roommate when you roommate complaints too much about picking up your Amazon boxes, there's only one thing to do purchase a thirty five pound weight. And no now patiently wait until they text you asking ordered. And they must pulled their backout. Okay. Never mind. I take back. What I said about having auroras. My lawyer that's Pence. Maybe that's just part of her emo- is like, oh, yeah. You go through people's Amazon packages. So you go through people's bags. Not awkward. I just did it. Jeff Pittman at times had a great fact he tweeted out dude ream has now tied met L rod for the most non game exile, redemption or extinction days played, and we'll take sole possession of the number one spot in the next episode good for free, and I would also want to know about confessional counts. Like re must have by far the most confessionals someone not actually in the regular game of survivor. Oh, yeah. That's a good question. If we're going to get the confessional count for the season. I bet she's in the top eight. This is probably better than that. Yes. I think she's gotten the only people who can think that have definitely gotten more than her, obviously, Devon's I think David Wright has probably gotten more confessionals than she has. I would say Kelly Wentworth has gotten more confessionals. But besides that is there anyone else you could think of definitely has more confessionals in rim. Okay. Just dog working on. I'm not sure how much this is up dated. So of the current people in the game. Rick is leading the way by a lot. He has forty one confessionals on the season. And then the rest of the people in the game are Julie has Twenty-three Lauren has eighteen Gavin's eighteen Victoria's eighteen Aurora has eleven. Ream. Has more than one of the people that are still active in the game. It's not as many, I just I think her confessionals are just more memorable than other people's she make it also a lot of content not necessarily confessionals. Listen, listen. So she has fourteen confessionals for the season, which is more than. Julia. Chris joe. Eric and Aurora. So not bad for being the first book. Yeah for. Yeah. Exactly considering remember she was the first Boone of the season. So I don't even know who those people are that you just mentioned. All right. All right. So let me see if there's any other ones a lot of I feel like a kneecap sucking going on between survivors, and the either the survivors are being horrible to each other on social media or a lot of like kneecap sucking meet him. They need to be likely on with Rick Devin stake to somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Here's a conversation between a couple of survivors. Jessica Lewis tweeted about you, don't even really smell bad from Carly compliment that is only truly acceptable on survivor. Elizabeth Olsen responded. How in the world did Gavin make it that far and not smell like crap? Maybe he was sponsored by deodorant and he's testing new slogan last thirty nine days. Yes. That would be interesting you'd be like, oh, and that's how they paid for their wedding sponsorship deal. Gavin and that I was on a survivor island for bunch days. And my wife said, I didn't even smell that bad. Yeah. It's just pops off the screen. It's got to be the pineapple shirt. It's magic. Magic pine shirt. And then Lisa came in to set the record straight. She doesn't want to hear about a magic pineapple shirt. Excuse me. She said we all smell like moldy cheese and a porta potty. Oh, I prefer to think of the magic pineapple shirt. Like, I'm just going to pretend the last parts happen. She knows what that smells like though. It's going to be the pineapple. Maybe maybe each pineapple on the shirt is like an air freshener. And it's just like they're like little pins that are hanging off the shirt and not just that's possible on in may, maybe it's like when you go like the car wash that much of pineapple airfresheners in that pineapple shirt was made out of. Yeah. Okay. Julie Rosenberg tweeted wouldn't have been able to have this incredible experience without having him. Stand beside me in life. No, one is more supportive or a bigger cheerleader of your dreams and accomplishments than he is. Thank you, Mark. And she had a picture of her with her husband, Mark, which actually leads me back into a voicemail from the Bryce podcast that we didn't get to here is a question that is from Eric. Hey brice. This is Eric from Midlothian for Jinya. I have a question. I haven't heard anybody talk about this crazy this Julie's husband, look, maybe a little bit like, rob. Or at least a cost player trying to be rob. Thanks a lot have a good one. Now. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. Either. See it. I also get a thing where it doesn't matter who the person is if they're wearing a plaid shirt that I get that sent to me of like, hey, is this you like as like a joke. Yeah. I think it's a combination of the plaid shirt. And then at least the picture that. I'm looking at right now his hair kind of like pooping up in the middle a little man, it's a little bit longer that might be it. But at least facial feature wise, I can't say. Yeah. See it at all. Here's I have a theory on this, rob. Because I think I've seen a lot in like the Facebook group in the patriot group there have been a lot of posts over the years where people are like, oh, this person is a rod Doppler ganger. I think that we we spend so much time listening to the podcast that you're just like in our your inner heads, everyone who might have free one tiny thing that looks like your yet rent-free in our heads. I think maybe nobody knows what I look like tells a possibility sound like I never get this person. Sounds like rob sister Nino. Okay. I want to go back to Julie's comment though. Okay. That's sweet adorable. Love doors. Julie the best. Posted on Twitter was there is a video. She tweeted this out of her of of Mark her husband, decking, one of their kids into the scene. Yeah. It's it's it's a decade. Punching. He he like hold on. I'm looking at it right now. They're racing. They're racing on the beach. And hey, just like pushes the kid over. The hashtag is hashtag bad parenting. And then the kid cries and stuff. I just watched the beginning with a kid gets knocked over. But then she does this editing where like slows it down and slow motion. So anyone is interested in some like, not sweet if I play the audio of it is it does it sound like anything. I think it just sounds like the beach goes, well, an audio pod. All right. So check Julie's Twitter for that. Yes. Hopefully, everybody's able to catch their breath in that video. This was another sound clip that I didn't get the play from the episode. This was when Rick Devon's was cheering everybody on doing good. Doing well. Aurora. A real Stephen fish back out there. Real. Paraphrase anybody? Doing good you're doing. Well. I think is a quote from thirty rock where it was like superman does good you're doing. Well. That's all I remember it. Thanks TV to for right? Yeah. It was like two for and. Who's having a conversation with whatever. Yeah. Okay. All right. Ben Lauren O'Connell at Lally underscore, Alexandra. Of course is that growing on Europe. Yes is strong. Swear handle. She's tweeted out just showed my data tweet. That says Lauren's dad is a daddy. And my dad. For real looked at me confused and said, well, of course, I am. She's my daughter, and she has upside down smiley emoji. And then a straight line smile emoji. That's so wholesome while. Lauren's dad do I have a calendar for you. Yes. Concepts introduce you to and then. So Lawrence mentioned that the she showed her dad, the Lauren's dad is a daddy tweet. And then it was revealed that our own Edward Morris was the person who tweeted look instead, it's daddy. So perfect. So. Of course, it was. Do you mow Liana? So this past week. We mentioned I was on the survivor Instagram takeover and had a lot of fun doing that. Even if not everybody at my house did where I was filming stupid videos all night. But I also recorded a couple of other videos that ended up being shared through the various survivor social media platforms, including video which was shared to the survivor Facebook page Liana, and so I had to answer a question about whether or not I would go to extinction island if I was voted out of the game on survivor. So I let me let me share that clip that I recorded right here in the studio here is me on. On the survivor Facebook page here and find the choice between when I get voted out of the game going to the edge of extinction or going home. I go to the edge of extinction because it looks pretty easy. Are you even kidding me? Right now that are you joking. The edge of extinction is way tougher than you. Because you're lame. Okay. All right. So that was the video that was courtesy of the renew puppet. Also been. And it's been a big a big success addition, do my podcasting. Okay. So Liana, I know that you typically get to play the casual corner over on the being me with Mike. So courtesy of the great Jason Curtis Rivera I-. I have a game for you. Which is I have five comments from Facebook four are from people responding to this video and one is from the rob has a podcast patron group. Okay. Okay. Identify which is the one from the patron grew. Yes. Which is the comment from the patron group. Okay. Okay. I'm about to insult the patriot. And made that com. All right. I don't find correctly. All right here. We go. Number one. This guy isn't the least bit familiar to me. And I have watched every season. Yeah. That sounds about. Right. Number two. Who is that on the stick? Number three. I have no memory of him. And I've been watching survivor began. Number four, get a job. And number five rock looks like Zachary Quinto. Oh my goodness. Okay. So the I do love the inclusion, obviously one of them has to be real of the I don't recognize this guy. And I've watched every season. That is your takeaway from this. Okay. Let's work through this. So that the comment of like I've seen every season. So like this can't be factual is like totally thing that happens all the time. So I think at least one of those real, right? The vet is. A lot of the survivor Facebook page comments start with I've seen every season. And yes, exact- fan splaine and going on over there. Yeah. Because they've seen every season. So, you know. Okay. So then the other question the other ones were about Zachary Quinto, apparently that you look like now does he look like Mark is the other question, and it's like men diet. The corollary lookalike. They're just guys. They're all guys. That's it. Zachary Quinto known for wearing plaid shirts battle we need to take into account. I could see that comment because sometimes you get those weird. Okay. I think that one's real. And then what were the other two who is this on the stick and get a job? Okay. I think they get a job one is real that. Also sounds like the Casuals. So now, I just have to decide if the who's on the stick. That's that could be someone trolling because I think whoever commented on this is definitely a troll. Don't know who it might be. Okay. I think I'm gonna go with my gut. I'm gonna go with who is that on a stack? And that is right. And that is the effort mentioned Morris. Right. At Mohegan actually, he was one of the ones. So I did. Okay. So Theresa this on the NBA a couple of weeks back. I wanted to do like a family feud style game road ask questions and then pull like the number of responses. I got like four total responses, and they were like one real response. Just asking a question the rest were just patrons or like people from the RJ community seeing my comment and EDNA was one of them make sense that he's there. I would like to thank the people that responded to the get a job comments with. Thank you. Michael of who responded. It's funny because this is literally his job. Maybe they're saying get a new job to the new job. Yeah. Maybe it's like you stink at this job. Find find a different occupation. Right. Like, I don't know. But puppet master might not be master. That's right. Okay. Ron all right. I'm the one holding all the sticks with the duct tape to the back of the picture. Okay. All right. We're gonna get into Jordan's big quiz coming up next. But first let me thank our other sponsor here today on the times gases. Okay. Those are friends over at joy bird furniture. Does your future bring you joy? Or are. You a missing a couch or a chair that says this is my home and not like pee wee's playhouse sorta way where they actually had talking furniture. You want a haven a place that feels uniquely you enjoy. 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About Twiss and Liana. So we are you are here to potentially make some history today because there are two two time winners in the history of this quiz. It is you, and is it is Mary quick hausky frail, Mary, but frail Mary is not so happy that you are here to break the tide today. She she thinks that you were trying to one up her and she's not so pleased. So is this a real rivalry? Or is this something that you're making up Jordan? Vincent man of casting. No. Well, maybe I have I have the real statement from Mary cow ski. She says I have taken your spot on BB can Saturday updates and I'm taking your thrown onto ish. You may be scientist. But does your dad giaga l-? Yes. Good question. And then referred to refer to her dad as frail daddy. What is is this real? He's a real this fan fiction. I will say. No, it's fan fiction. I did I will say that. I was complicit in this. I did reach out to marry for a comment. She had no idea that you were going to be the guest on onto us this week. I sort of sort of cokes cokes this out of her. But yes, she has you have ops. You have obviously on wait. So you asked her for comment Abacha's? I I asked her to talk some trash and she did. Oh, she was talking trash. Okay. Talking trash. Yeah. What did she say about my dad? No. She said you may be scientists because your dad juggle her dad job, apparently, which is like jogging and jug running and juggling. I dunno jogging jocking some sort of Ling. Yeah, you're right. I believe he is who Guinness Book of world records for John. Yeah. Yeah. She's she's giving you credit for being a scientist saying that your dad doesn't giaga l-. This is like I think the fact that I was the one who had to like messenger like ten minutes before we started recording this. I don't think she really has too much beef with you. But I think she wants the crown she wants to to still be tied winningest player in twisty. All right. The Elliott Anthony rivalry. Yes. Yes. Completely contrived by me. But okay. All right. Okay. We spent enough time on this. Okay. Let's all right. You know the rules. We're not going to go over the rules. We didn't do it last week with Eva you've been on. This is your third time here. So I'm going to give you the four the four multiple choice question categories the categories that we have today are five six seven and eight the Ana you choose. I what are you serious? Okay. Do you have one clarification question? I have smart devices. And I'm wondering if I'm allowed to still use them. I'm like really apparently government surveillance. I both Google and Alexa. It means. You're not breaking rules. You're you're good for one of your questions. You can use it. Yeah. I would like is. I wish that I could turn. My apple portable device. I don't like to say the name because I don't want things to I wish had rainbows. I did not get what you were talking about cannot do like, listen, dude. I don't even new contact is do you wanna send alarm? I didn't hear that. You're going to have to repeat it. I would pay money for that. Okay. All right. Oh, five six seven eight. He'll shlomo. Appreciate six six. Okay. So we're going to go to survivor Kagi on havoc. Tariq is the name of the episode not re R E K game of thrones from may seven two thousand fourteen five years ago Tuesday at the Kagi on final six, which two players do Spencer and tasha attempt to split the votes between. Ooh. Okay. So this was okay. To rethink about this. So this was so I'm pretty sure, okay. Those Spencer in Taucha decided to split the votes between two of the players, and I've decided to so I'm not going to get them multiple choice because I know who was there. So I think one of them is Tony. I think it was Tony and Trish, Tony and Trish is correct. When they're very very good job. Yeah. So. Choice on that. They thought they potentially had Casson. Woo voting with them cast who ended up voting with Tony Trish for for tasha here at the final six. Yes. Spencer and tasha did did cast one vote each I've alita tasha voted for Tricia Spencer voted for Tony. But the plan did not work and tasha was voted out. Very good job here. This is when they had woo RL. Mary's. From areas very nervous right here on the reward Salins with them. They tried strategizing with him strategizing with woo doesn't necessarily always work out and Liana you have a two zero lead. Rob you have you can choose either five seven or eight Bryce had a great story about woo on the feedback show. Really, I'll take eight eight we're gonna go to heroes vs villains. A sinking ship from eighth sixty thousand ten nine years ago Monday at the final immunity challenge. Jeff reads ACLU to the whole tribe that an idol is hidden at their camp who ends up finding this idol. Could you repeat the question again? Sure, this is heroes vs villains at the final eight immunity challenge. Jeff Redick to the whole tribe that an idol is hidden at their camp who ends up finding this idol. Okay. I. Think I know who it is. But I will I will do the multiple choice because I don't want to potentially find myself in a three zero hole if I'm wrong. All right. So going for one point no steel here. We have a poverty be Rupert. See Russell hands de Sandra. Sandra was going to be my guess. Sandra is correct. So you get a point there. This was a pretty important idol not because the idol ended up doing all that much did play it at the final five didn't turn. She didn't really need to. She didn't get the votes. However, Rupert was a was able to hide I believe it was a rock in his pants to pretend he had an idol, and the vote split was was then between Colby and Kansas Rupert potentially got himself a little bit further in the game by blonde full thought that Rupert had rocks in his pants running the amazing race this season. It would explain a lot. Yes. We ought to you have a two to one lead, and you can choose either five or seven. No nine. Okay. So i'm. With what? Six now. Okay. Five we are going to survive exile island all the way from the eleventh two thousand six thirteen years ago Saturday in a lead up to Terry Dietz, making a call to the web Yellen Slater in this episode who does he snap at for placing their torch in front of his path allegedly causing him to trip in the dark after the final five tribal council. Oh, okay. So I know this one because this is my favorite season. I love sorry. I'm gonna I I'm wanna try one of my sister devices is that is that allowed. Can I see if they? Okay. I wanted to see. Okay. Google. Who three fields deeds? Trim never mind. Okay. Let's open dot com. They say he played two seasons with the Rams before becoming an. I thought we were onto something second. Never mind talking. I have no idea. Okay. This is Serie. I know this. It is serene. You get another two points here. Ford away like that. Okay. Did did it react to you saying? I think it new. I don't know these terrifying. Call the Wham villains to one lead. Rob you're in a little bit of trouble here. But you still even call me Ammiel is definitely not over. You don't have that set up. Okay. All right. So we're going to go to worlds apart for this. Last question holding on for dear life from may six two thousand fifteen four years ago Monday at the worlds apart final seven eventual winner, Mike Holloway, played an idol negating four votes against him. Recent HP, guests Caroline Rivera famously joined Mike and voting for Tyler who went home at the tribal who was the one other person who voted with Mike and Carolyn for Tyler. Who was the one of the person with Mike and Carolyn or Tyler? I kind of feel like I need to nail this one. If I'm going to stay in this one that if Leon as four. Let's see. I think that I that. If you say the mobile choices, I think that's going to basically eliminate everybody else. That's that's possible. So you could read the question. One more time sure at the worlds apart final seven eventual winner, Mike Holloway, play tonight, negating four votes against him. Recent RHA, guess Caroline Rivera famously joined Mike in voting for Tyler who went home at this tribal. Who was the one other person who voted with Mike and Carolyn four Tyler? Okay. So the only other options are Sierra dawn Thomas will Rodney or were, Dan. I will I will say that it was fan favorites. Here on HAMAs f f s angle is correct. You get two points there, and it is a lot closer. Now. It's Liana four to three lead going into the death match. Rob is gonna go. I in the stuff match since Liana some will lead the game is called fifth sixth or seventh. The game will start with one player. That's going to be rob picking a random number between one and eight to decide the order. I will give you a player season. And you must tell me if that person came in fifth sixth or seventh for answers will be given during this round. And if you're incorrect, you may not get any more points less we a tiebreaker. Therefore, if you're incorrect and your first sponsored open the door for your opponent to gain three points in this round. If there's a tie we will continue so rob choose a number between one and eight to start the game. Choose six. Okay. So we're going to go to survivor token jeans. This is the Debbie did she come in fifth sixth or seventh? Okay. I know she didn't come in fifth. I am trying to think who else is there. This is not a three hour podcast. So I'm going to say that she came in. Six six is correct. So you get a point there. We are tied for two four. Yeah. You knew that coach was the fifth place. WB was the one outright before coach. So was seven right. Sierra was on fan favorites. Sierra other whatever her name is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have Liana you're gonna get that her name. We're going to go to marquess, rob the general Decani. Oh. Okay. So I'm just gonna work backwards. So rock draw scalp for. I think. Oh, coconut chop strategies stick in my head. I think he was. Six. He was the last remaining a member of that row to four alliance. The final five. Was of course in the Leah. Sean Pasco and Kathy. So he was the last one out before those five to eat each other. So you get a point there. It's five to four. Rob you need to get this one. Right. And you're gonna get this is a great one survivor Fiji, Stacy Kimball. Boy. So. Okay. Just working. I know that. So she's not in the final three, and then the disease how man get to the final four, and I feel like that. Blue is there also. So they got three them those three and. I don't feel great about this one. I'll say that. She is six six you should feel great. You get the point there. You're tied five to five Yana. You could win the game. Here if not we will continue and we're going to go to survivor Palau, Greg. Carey Greg with three. Jeez. What place to Greg? Gary coming in Palau. Okay. So. Yeah. The strategy is like, okay. Who is the final two who's a final three. And then try to see if I can remember what? Oh god. I think was I think Steph Grosso went out right before head. But I think she went out at seven maybe. Okay. I'm gonna say six six. Okay. We're the win. You're saying six the final five in this game was Tom, Ian, Katie, Karen, and Jenn Lyon. Yes. Greg Carrey was six so you get the point here and your favorite one of your favorite numbers, one of your favorite two digits. You win by score of sixty five. Wow. Wow. Game. Hey, how's really close? It's hard to win. When Liana throws a perfect game. Is that I don't know. Is that the first perfect game? I guess actually, I guess an actual perfect game. It's good as you could. Five most guess, I'm gonna win usually. Yeah. I mean, I guess real perfect game would be robber to get his to his two questions wrong without hearing the multiple choice Liana stole both questions. But that's really hard to. That's like dependent on the other player. But yeah, this is the best you could do without without rob letting you point. No, I think you're definitely better than frail Mary at this. Those are fighting words I like that. Yeah. Rob will actually to buy rivalry for me. I honestly though, I didn't know the worlds apart question. So I got lucky with and the Panama one like, I know Panama like the back of my hand, so those, but you know, yes. Thank you. Awesome. Three time winner. I three time winner in intuitions twister, trusted, my gut. Just said Sandra on the the first chance. That was the difference. Liana we've already found out a long time ago. I can't say I remember who it was. But we've found out who the first survivor you follow on Twitter was who's the most recent survivor. You follow on Twitter because we've done this game with your ready. Yeah. So I do embarrassingly. Remember, the first survivor, I followed. It was the jar neck Myra. Oh, I feel like you're not the only one who's had that. It's. But no, I have I have no idea who the most recent one. She think I'd remember. Well, I think if if our knocks you review this latest follow I would give it five stars. Ron clark. Ron Clark your in survivor Twitter. Follow. Four dog dog is the second most recent friend. Not really lacked. I wanna know his friends. Are you standing the Kincaid baby? Also, you will you ready you've been? Longer than than, Robin. I was part of my conditions on being on the podcast. And we're now I need to have a some sort of like reason for caring what the outcome is. Like, I can't just make those two stand something crazy. Story. Followed followed Brian Clark because he tweeted that he was going to be re releasing the essential fifty five rules his book that you wrote. And I was like perfect. So let's hook up, and I'll give you my rules, and you know. As long as round husband is also there. That'll be the Denham to the wrong. Clark rules. I thought it was a really good cross promotional thing. We do is that why he's releasing because he has all these new rules now because he's very popular TV show and thinks he's going to sell more books. Yeah. So Liana is going to be joining us again. Rob McEwen you podcast this weekend to help us out with a win shut up. Tim's money. That's right. Yeah. It's gonna be interesting. I haven't received the format of the question. If you've got any fun quizzes this weekend. Liana we got some more always here for marquises bring it. Although I think I get to host this one. Right. So I don't have to answer any questions. Okay. Pretty good with answering the questions. I don't know if complain about Leon. I've got an out of context Rick Devon's quote for you. All right. Let's do it. Finally, reached for the gap. And I'm just feeling feeling feel something solid very out of context. Yes. Well, now is that him during his time on the edge of extinction when he was sleeping in the shelter next to Chris Underwood. Was searching for the idol. Honestly, it could be either one don't know. I wish it lets us a reward he found the idol again. But I think he didn't wanna wake then done. Our breaking Rick Neville, strict news. All right. All right. Well, what what a great this week in survivor Liana. Thank you so much. Congratulations on your big win. I can't remember. I'm sure it's happened before. But there's not too many times where people got every single question that they were asked right. Maybe Jenny oughta just got her two questions. Right. And then we didn't have to play the bones around. Yes. I think that was the first time that's happened to you. Yes. You've done that to other people. But I think that was the first time that's happened to you. So yeah. A lot of people making history on the this week and survivor history quiz very much down for coming in later in the season where there's less people left and less things. I have to remember. Very much on board for that. Okay. All right. Well, great job should've listened to Liana on the arch. BNB Liana anything else that you're working on? Yeah. So in addition to the NBA, and then, of course, guessing on this week we have Rupe halls drag race coverage that is going on. So ordinarily, it's Mike bloom myself and Brent Waltham on all getting together to talk about season eleven which is going on right now Michael will be out this week. And so we're sort of scrambling a little bit to find a guest host. Or may it might just be Brenton. I in Taylor. Yeah. Hey, jordan. You wanna come on drag race? Do you allow people who have never seen an episode of the show? Come with a fresh perspective. It'll be it'll. Awakening. We'll do. The whole episode will be Casuals corner with Jordan down for us. But yeah, there was a crazy episode this past week and some like serious Riggott tree potentially. It was the internet is up in arms, and I'm actually really excited to break. It all down. Okay. Of course could follow Jordan Kayla on social media as well. Jordan. What do we have coming up next week on this week and survivor? We have another return guest some someone who is looking to get into the this weekend survivor history. Mount Rushmore, Shannon gates. We'll be the guest. All right. So a jam packed week. Coming up on the podcast again. Of course, all this podcasting all this nonsense made possible by the many patrons of rob as a podcast. So you find out more about everything that we're doing get our patron only podcast feed and become part of our rods podcast patriot community head on over to rob as a website dot com slash patron. Be sure to follow the greatly on a Boris on Twitter as well that she is the one with the king cake baby in her header at Leon. Boris. And then her is this your pin? Tweet of Julie's husband pushing the kid down or the top tweet. Just my top tweet every tweeted serving winters. Running running running. Yes. It's great. Yes. I realize I should probably the Kentucky Derby is tonight and the Julius Julie's husband and her son were running like horses and the Kentucky Derby at the beginning of that video. I was so good with my tiger. Woods prediction. I'm predicting game winner. Six to one odds. He is like the fourth place in odds. I don't wanna get the favor. That's boring. So game winner in a win the Kentucky Derby tonight. Let's just happen. Is that what you're doing? I know I think it starts like six thirty. Okay. All right. Not to my knowledge. It is not happening. I'm going on ESPN dot com, and it has not happened yet. So by the time this air, the by the time this is supposed to have happened. So it'll sound pretty fishy. If game winner wins. But I mean, it's in his name. They're giving us the answer. Okay. All right on sorry. Sorry to be subjected to the Jordan's Kentucky Derby picks on the pie. Of course. That was six to nine odds. I think on it with Duffy. All right. All right. Thank you. All right. Take care.

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Bonus Finale Coverage: Survivor Know-It-Alls Take Your Calls

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Bonus Finale Coverage: Survivor Know-It-Alls Take Your Calls

"Hey, what's going on? Rob sister, Nina here with some bonus coverage round the survivor finale, we ended up a getting together myself and seeing fish back for a bonus survivor know it alls, special course Stephen and Hannah were alive with the know it alls last night after the episode, but fan credit asked us to do a bonus show where people could call in on the fan cred app and talk to us. So I thought that, that would be a fun opportunity to get to talk to Stephen on the day after the survivor finale something that we don't ever normally do. So what you're about to hear is the audio the podcast version of that recording, which you can watch on fan, credit app or on the fan cred YouTube. Hopefully, we'll be able to put a link also to that if you want to watch the video of Steven, I taking your calls on not every callers. Call quality is great so. I do apologize about that. In the recorded version, of course last night, I got to go to the finale, and I was there in person. And I got interviews with the final six plus a few surprise guests on the red carpet. The podcast in video version of that is up on rob has a website dot com and I'm going to get into everything with a Josh Wigley as well on the final wiggle room of the season later on today so be on the lookout that before I get into the podcast version of Stephen and taking your calls, a let me take a moment, and thank our sponsor, and this was an appropriate one since we waited all season for the other shoe to drop from the edge of extinction and last night, it did finally drop. I wanna take a moment. And thank Rossi's, raw 'these are the everyday flats for life on the go stylish and versatile, they go with everything from yoga pants to stresses to skirt. The amazing thing about Rossi's. It's going to blow your mind. Their shoes are made from recycled, plastic water bottles. I guess, and much like Chris Underwood recycle. 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That's our T, H Y, S dot com slash get your new favourite, flats comfort style, and sustainability these the shoes that you've been waiting for head to RAF these dot com slash rob today. And with that let's go on over to our special bonus know it alls coverage of the survivor finale on fan. Smartest guys. Break it down. Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all. Yes. That's right. We've got some a bonus survivor know at all the morning after the finale, we've never done this before. But we're doing it today, because of fan credit. We are live on the fan credit app. And of course, we're going to make this a podcast as well over for our H A P for anybody who missed the boat and didn't join us live because we are streaming on the fan credit app. Good morning, Stephen fish back. Good morning rough. I really missed you last night. I mean what a crazy ending to this. I listen to the show. You said you were happy that I wasn't there. Well, no. What I missed was like Hannah was saying, such sensible things that it wasn't easy for me to interject with, like, obviously more, correct. Oh, yes. Stephen, you had such a read on the whole season. All of your takes work. Correct. All all of the moves that were made were bad costs. They all they all didn't work because you had said all along. Chris underwood. We'll come back and win the game. Game. Watch this you'll see ya. You will rue the day, you said, I was wrong that Chris Underwood would win this entire thing. Well, it certainly was a an unexpected longshot and it's crazy. Because like one of the things I was talking about Hannah, which we've sort of alluded to is the possibility that when this goes to goes down win this edge of extinction. Returning comes back, it basically invalidates the previous month strategy it all meant nothing. So it's like it's true. It's really upsetting to me the most. I feel like this is the season that I've most correctly, predicted at every step of the way except like for the most right? Mental part of it, right. You, you had the deck chairs on the Titanic in the right place. Ordered. Yeah. Let me just really quick setup. So the beauty of being here on the fan credit up is that we can talk to you the listeners. And so we are ready to go this morning. So if you wanna call in, if you're joining us live on fan credit, then you just click the black button to join us on the fan line, and we're going to go ahead and patch. And patch you in let me just also just set the stage because I haven't had a chance to talk with Stephen at all before we jump into your question. So go ahead and hit that button to get on the fan line. And then you'll talk to our producer Cam this morning. He's gonna get you all set up to take a lot of questions with the survivor fans this morning. The morning after the survivor finale. So, yeah, Chris is the winner of the season and I listened to a UN Hannah last night on the note all in the light of day. Steven. How are we feeling? Do you feel dirty at all about a person who was voted out on day nine coming back in the game? On day was at thirty six thirty seven thirty seven actually comes back. I thought that that was the point of contention between Gavin in Victoria, what day. How many days they were together for thirty five or thirty six Chris definitely comes back on day thirty thirty five and then gets van then Victoria's down thirty six is that, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think that's right. And so. Okay. So. Yeah. Thirteen days in the game. But what a thirteen days. Well, it's really wanna four days, but then the first few days he was so unremarkable. It was funny because, like, Chris, Ed. Hey see, oh my God. Oh my God. Tell me we'll tell me this wasn't destiny. What was the final vote count at the final travel council nine and four four, which was exactly the amount of days? Chris Underwood we should've known all along. It was meant to be Chris actually was eight and five so it's a little bit. Okay. Yeah. He's ordered to eight but but, you know it is. In those first days he, he was like he kind of had this like on playing the middle thing. He didn't really have that much of an impact on the strategy at Monaco, he was voted off. Like shocking early. He was such like a non entity that people are making jokes about him. And Eric being basically, the same person, and then he comes back, and he's got so much charisma. He is so much Dr and it kind of reminded me of would so much drip. Drip. Yeah. But, you know where he was just like supercharged by this, the second opportunity if you had told me, I mean, we'd sort of joked about what if someone comes back, wouldn't that be a total mess like, we'd sort of joked about that. I was more okay with it. Now, listen. I really thought Gavin shit a one. I was more okay with Chris than I expected to be. And I I'm kind of delighted with the whole season. I mean, and it's a very, very contentious, so you don't wanna hear what your thoughts to me. It was such an unexpected outcome that the spectacle of it thrilled me where I love to be surprised. But I think that this is a going to be a thing that we're going to have to wrestle with was, was Chris, the best player. No, he was not. And so how do we sort of like a week? Got the thrill of the surprise. But the best person didn't win. I think that this is something that goes on in on in a big sports fan. You are, but we may give. We make it crazier. That more teams can be involved in the team that had the best regular season doesn't win. But it's exciting. It's not you can't predict from the start of the season who's going to win. So I think we're survivor is wrestling with that. What what's unpredictability supreme ability and also something that we talked about a lot with Christian, but the, the entropy of it all of like, how great is it to have all that randomness injected in there. And what does that do to the season as a whole whereas you said, we spent so much time talking about, you know, every move that was made. And most of it was for not. Yeah. I mean, the things I do want to say though, is for people, you know, I think a lot of people, this is incredibly divisive moment. I think a lot of people love Chris, when probably many more people certainly a those that are tweeting at me feel this is like a grave injustice. You know it's not necessarily like this is survivor the show going off the rails like literally last season. Was one of the best kind of cla- more classic seasons. The shows ever had in granted. There were a lot of advantages Neidl last season. But it was it was it was a much more socially strategic season than than this season was, you know. You're, you're right. There's some variability and like, twists Craig variability casts create the variability and, you know, when you have someone like Devon's who's, who's the number one target and yet, has like this, like, bloodhound sense, for idols that creates variability, so. I don't think this is like the end of the show. Right. Because like literally last definitely not a top five season. Or I really think that we that it would have been a more controversial morning. Had Devon's ultimately won the season because I think that there were people that love love. Ric Devon's and look count me among the people that I love RIC Devon's. I got to talk to him last night and. Nice nicest can be I thought he really got a unfairly treated by a lot of people online during the course of the season. And now he goes from the person who was shoved down your throat as the winner to the you should have one guy. And I hope that things get a little easier for him on these Twitter and read it streets for the for the now going forward for Rick Devon's. Yeah. I mean one of the things I remember saying when Ben one was, you know, that this fire twist like which seemed a way for the Benz of the world who are getting voted out in fourth place to to make it to the end. One of the things I said, it's not getting that person, the win doesn't necessarily make a better story, like part of the incredible emotion of survivor is seeing someone just come up short in, like that's what makes the journey so, so powerful and I mean cold concentration for Rick Devon's, but I really feel like that makes his story all the more moving is just like how hard he played and how close. She was and yet he didn't win at all. Okay. Let's get into taking your calls now that we've set the table here. Let's talk the Meghan in Raleigh, on the morning after the survivor, finales, Stephen, I did. All my red carpet interviews last night. Very, very fun. Got to talk to remain as well. So that. It was a real thrill for me lesson. All right, here's here's Meghan in Raleigh, Meghan. Good morning. Good morning for me. It's afternoon for you. Yeah. That's okay. I've been awake for about forty five minutes. So my question for you is this crazy or the advantage, Audrey one Aubrey, one extinction to practice the challenge that was not the challenge that they was? Hm. It was a challenge that was actually Aubrey really stumbled in that show that part of the challenge. Interestingly, like, yeah, it was. It was like going through the ropes like weaving through the ropes. Yeah. Very physical challenge for the players to get back into the edge of from the edge of extinction, even more. So I think than the first time around I think that there was a physical component to the challenge that Rick Devon's one to get back in. But it just in talking to Reno last night, I had asked her about, I really thought that you were going to be the person to get back in Reims. She's like, did you see that challenge? Did. Do you think I could do that compete with captain America and Joe? And so, yeah. Which ones, captain America on, captain America is, is Chris, okay? Okay. That Joe would be thorn in this scenario. I see who's iron man, who's got I don't know who's iron man out of that group war dog. What? What are the things I think, west have been? So I talked about this a little bit hand last night. I was like there must have been so hard for those contestants legroom, and like Aubrey like sitting there, knowing you're just there's just no way you're gonna win, but you can't give up after like suffer for like a month and just with no realistic with insight. I if Aubrey necessarily was that fatalistic about it, we'd have to ask her because I think that Opry does cross fade and she also had the advantage to practice. So I don't think that Aubrey looked at it like she was drawing dead, like, maybe re might have. Yeah. I mean, those challenges though were like very like, you know, it's not like Aubrey has excelled in survivor challenges, just want a number of immunities. But, but, you know, those were like a giant, obstacle course challenge, which is typically typically do favorite men. Yeah. All right, Meghan. We're gonna get a lot of calls this morning. But thank you so much. You so much for calling in. Okay. All right. So we're going to go to Brent in Cincinnati. Let's go ahead and get Brenton Cincinnati on the line to talk with us about everything that's going on. I know up Brenton Cincinnati. Yeah. It's Brent Waltham on Cincinnati. Yes. Okay. Rented Cincinnati go ahead. I don't what's up. I was just I was about ready to say. Hello season. I. When he asked when the producer came on asked me where I'm from he, he really wanted to know. And I was like I'm Cincinnati anything he came back and said, you know where he's probably gonna I'm like Brown Cincinnati. Okay. That's printed Cincinnati. Yeah. You're right. I'm looking I, I have no problem with Chris, as winter as I just f-. Okay. He's guy unbe concept of them, winning is this crazy to me old blue is, is slightly, and I don't know to be honest, how earnestly you can answer this to survivor ABA problem with women. I just feel everything all innovations, all the things that survivors do involve in the past two three years as all favored. In, I feel like the show likes men there. Well, I would be careful with that. I think that not all men for instance. You know like if you were if you are a, a man who is not playing a traditional alpha male type game than I don't think that you are necessarily favored. Rubric of what we're what we're looking at. But then here comes Chris, and he comes back and wins challenges. That it's easy. And since we started this in a four firemen challenges and would be advent of more advantages than idols game. It's not a surprise to me that the last four the net. Yeah. Although three hundred or four people were were men in Julie ends up being in the in the finals, and she ends up getting no vote. So I don't know, necessarily if it's, you know, if if the right woman, got to the end, if it would be a different story, but I definitely hear what you're saying. I mean, I'll say is that it's become more advantage in idol focused. Right. No question about that. They're putting more advantages than putting more idols back into the game. And you know, one of the things we've seen in the past couple of seasons last season, being a great example was women realizing that men were finding predominance of these vantage Niles. Now, I think part of that is because of the way that these groups kind of naturally fall into traditional gender dynamics where it's like the women are back at camp and the guys are going out, foraging, and like they. They kind of have more of like the cover to like look for idols as a result. And, you know, I think hopefully we see that changing, you know where where. The women aren't doing that anymore, right. They're, they're, they're going out and hunting Freidel just as much as the guys are so hopefully that awareness does maybe shift that style. I because I was really since the overall feeling of last night feel like deserves to this warrants. Like you counting the church alternative rob. But it's up to you. I, I was just a gap. Well, what do you want me to what do you want me to do Brent? It's this is foolish. This is bidding on itself. Raw address, somebody never even met Gavin can not because she's a woman. Now I'm gonna move nuts with your car. I'm just an irritated at the fact that this is what gets us because I feel like this show is all once or out of nail time litters. And I don't know if he's necessarily that I think that the show wants less passive game play. And so that's what I don't think that the show has an agenda about we only want men to win the show because plenty of women watch survivor. I don't think that they are they have an agenda, except for the agenda is that if. The choice is between, you know, Rick Devon's being on, on camera and having a witty lines. And then, you know, running around and doing stuff, as opposed to the Gavin's in Victoria's sitting back and being more passive. They want their show to be more action driven the Roberts though, what else? Well, Rick has a great personality. Vitoria seems boring. I don't know her very well. I'm like, in the last episode Brickman vessels, Victorian more than four. So how how how it's no surprise to me that people come to us. We'll be so anywhere alley. I feel like I know him. You do, but look at that in terms of being quick in an witty and having one liners that that's good. You can get those into confessionals that it's I think it's, it's harder that somebody like Victoria, I think she's more like Aubrey plaza, where I think her her humor is like very dry and. Maybe not as a quick, and I mean, in terms of like she might have like some cutting remarks that are longer to deliver than we're Rick jumps in and just blurts things out. So I totally had more time on the edge of extinction than anybody, right Langley. And she, she gives great confessionals aubrey's, an amazing amazing care. Turn, I think that, you know, like as, as rob always says they're going to give the good stuff. They're not like holding back on great confessionals from women, you know, because like if somebody gender desire for gender imbalance. I just show. Get to know them. So it's like it's like a circle it's going. You have your to clear, a Rick, Chris isn't a wonderful. I was all of this in the world for him. But. This finale as disappointing last night's ear, you Alex. Even so. And I love you. But like expound too much on raids in what snack nickel feeding the beast like gold. But that doesn't mean it was good. They said, even said that Gavin should've won nobody. I did defend the finale itself to Brian's point about for just being like like and look it took me a minute. You know, like I was like, what on earth is happening. And then I was like I noticed, I was like having a lot of fun. You know I thought it was a great finale in terms of I was on the edge of my seat. They're at the show. It was wild. So I saw you right. He tweeted at Brian corden by I'm turning the TV off. You said turn it back on. He was talking about Rick win, you know. Well, that's not going to happen. You can't believe it. I don't want to take your time, he goes with grit. I'm not a hater. Yeah. My gosh. Like haters, is like put it's dry. It's all, you know. That's what you know, I always know that your comments are with love for, for the show that you love that you want to make sure that it is not going off the track too far. One hundred even fell in love with this show, twenty years ago, you don't have to change it. Can you imagine survivor Africa there today? Yeah. And I do think that the, the fire making does favor the male contestants. Have we seen a woman win them? I mean there wasn't a woman in the fire making this this season but I think that Mike might be Carolina's season. Wendell beat Angela. I believe, and then. It was who did Ben be Devon's? There's only two women in the fiber, but it's been a male winner of the fire making challenge of four four times out. The selection also favors men being involved in getting the chance to make the fire tail and I actually think part of that could be could be part of gender roles to like I said, like you know it's weird how quickly like very stereotypical gender roles like play out at camp, not like an I've noticed on all of my seasons. It's like guys who want to be the fire guy. You know they're the fire guy and like my first season token chains. No question. The best person I making fire was Sydney, followed by Taj, but it was always guys who are doing it. You know, and they were always like like striking sparks and building. The fire life. Just in from New York is on the line, as we're, we're talking about this, so, yeah, I mean that if you wanna get on survivor for anything I think that the fi final four fire making challenge, while exciting, I think, is always going to face. For the most part, the male contestants. Okay. All right. Justin, justin. Hello. Hey, I want to add on that the one time that a woman one, they can challenge. It was. It was what back thank? No, no. Don't forget about mama CB. Rodney in worlds apart. So. From one took out that was a while that took a while. That did take awhile. Yes. Okay. Just let me let's hear question. I did. I feel like you're, you're sounds a little choppy for me. A better good. But let's get your question. Yeah. So I wanted them up girl last night out. I was Chris obvious expect. He's got kind of like Chris Underwood look going on Stephen. Yeah, I don't know. I just wanted to have your perspective with was is it inventing orange? What is it went off the net? And fire when he weighed already. The. Okay. Best move for Chris Underwood Stephen a thought on that as we answer, Justin's question. I mean, I think definitely the best emot- looking move was him taking off his immunity necklace, giving immunity and going to fire to win his way into the end. It was so good for so many reasons I it was really shocking, right? Like it was this moment for both yours and the jury, where they're like. Oh my God. He's really doing this like giving the jury spectacle, like what a great moment. The other thing was a really like we talked a little bit about, like story. And this is Chris sold. The story of Rick Devon's is the guy to beat an I'm the one who beat him. And that was his big talking point. Yeah. And I kind of think that was like the show's narrative to right. Like the show's narrative, and a lot of people are like this show is all over the place. There's no get this narrative, I don't think that's true. The narrative of this show was like, Rick. Devon's was the guy to beat. And then some, you know, wondering night comes in from faraway, and that's the guy that they award not to get game of thrones on it. But it was like who's gonna we need it who will be your champion to take on. On the mountain Tyrian I will be your champion, and it goes it goes better for Chris Underwood as he's the one who steps into the arena and in talking with Rick Devon's last night. Rick the show made it seem a little bit like oh Devon's. It doesn't know what he's doing. But from what I understand this was a record time for Chris Underwood and Devon's feels like that he could have beaten either Gavin or Julia in the fire making challenge. So he did such a great job of just setting up that narrative of, hey, everybody, you know what like he beat Devon's at his own game of. Okay, I will make the compelling spectacle at tribal council and get that juries jaw to drop. When I take the necklace off put the necklace on Julia and where we talk about so many times, Stephen where the people that get brought to the end that they get they don't do. Well, where it's like, hey, I'm going to bring this person. And they get no votes. Chris brought to people to the end. He, he made made Gavin Juliet both of his goats and that's an area. Great point. That's a really, really great point. That's, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder now we'll people who play in a future season as long as farming judge. Will we see this be the norm? Hey, I won the final form unity. Gotta make the fire. I don't think it's ever as clear. It's so rarely clear we are like this is the guy like the jury's cheering for him the other contestants are literally chairing for him every other ever title, by the way, one point Ellen give David Bloomberg some credit, one point of his head. What is it? I kind of like dismiss was that the contestants should have been building up their own cases, a little bit more rather than applauding recall, the while you're making that platelets. Bring in Josh from Anderson, South Carolina. But, but, you know, I thought like the whole narrative was like these guys, it doesn't matter like, if Rick's there he wins. But then you see, like Gavin toll problems that nobody nobody thinks he did anything. You know, I've been was bad at the final job account. So I thought he did not do a good job. He hasn't thunder as lines, but he he's not like a super like extroverted spa as soon as he started talking. He's backpedaling. He's a he's on defense. That's not how you wanna play the final tribal council. All right. Josh South Carolina, what's going on show? Hey, how's it going? Great. Are you on? My question is simple. I think this is going to have a lot to hear myself. I think this might be like controversial. Do you think still win the game if he doesn't extinction idol? I feel like it was a shot where Lauren plays her idol final six for him and Devon's would play his idol for grits tunnel five. Yeah. It's a really your question like this. Chris does Devitt does does Deva's want Chris in the game at that point. Devon's does give him back. I don't know. Maybe loyalty, the whole time. Yeah. So he might it's a really like royalty. Like, does he want him there? I have no idea. Biggest problem with how last night went was I don't think that Chris should have gotten any idol when it came back into the game. If you really if you wanted to give him something maybe give him an extra vote at the final six. Like I feel like that you could have given if you, if you have to give him something give give him something that's not okay. Well, he's going to be immune for one of these rounds if, if he makes it through, and he did get three votes at that final five tribal council. So he should have been out of the game at five, but it is what it is. But I just I hate the idea that we gave him unity to somebody who came back in the game at six, he had a Mutiti at the final seven final eight final nine final. So she's got all that, immunity. So, yes. Okay. And so you guys said it last night. And then, you know, here's a here's also another cookie for after your reward, even the only the only go ahead. Go now I so I really did not like that part of it again kudos to Christopher. He played everything so well in the game in front of them they had at the finale, but I kind of felt like that Devon's not giving the half an idol to him. I, I don't know how how you pull that off season does that was like a real move that somebody could do. I mean what was definitely going to throw it in the ocean? And then be like Shari dude, you just got played, Dave didn't give back the half idle for he say he now he said, like, well, I don't I don't think I want to give it back to get back on the same page. He didn't say, not giving it to you like Dr Mike through the strap. From Lauren Rimmer in the fire at a tribal council. But I mean that's like an all time, he'll move for Rick Devon's. But maybe it does. I mean, does the does the jury turn on Rick Devon's of does something so dastardly to Chris? No, no. Well, first of all, the one mitigating thing I want to say about that. I, which I agree. I agree that I'm against it, but the one mitigating thing is that it did require one or the other players to play to, to use it or to, to give to give back the half. And I actually think that's a relatively steep bar. Like that is another player who's left in the game. Seeing this guy who we all agree should be a huge threat, making the conscious strategic decision. I'm going to keep this guy here. So it wasn't just like you know he gets this super power. He has to convince one of the people that, that he deserves superpower or that they want to keep him in the game. And I think if it was any other situation, other than Rick being the giant target that he was. And maybe Rick being the mentioned that he is. I don't think that person would would necessarily do it, also Rick is somebody who was in that same position of hats off to somebody like like so he could relate on every single level of like, oh, I know what it's like to come back into the game and not have a friend that I know what it's like to give that half an idol away. And then wait for the other person to give back to you. So that was smartly played by Chris. I mean now, I think it is sort of splitting hairs because, like, you know, isn't that much better at that point? Right. They're both in the final four together. The question Josh is it better for Rick to have Chris around versus Lauren around? I mean like I don't necessarily see one or the other is being so hugely advantages or disadvantages to his game. So you mean to give to give half the idol to Lauren what I'm saying, like, if he did not give half the idol to Chris, the idea is that Chris would be voted out at five, therefore Lauren would be in the game. You know. And we're saying is that a huge blunder for for Rick to keep the guy in the game who eventually beat him, but like Lauren could have been the person who eventually is. Yeah. Perspective at the final five from what if downs why have Chris than Lauren if from what it sounds like that Chris might have been the one person that could have beaten Devon's at the fire may now may be Gavin tells a different story. But it sounds like that Devon's knew what he was doing with the fire making, but Chris was just the best on the board at making the fire. So that's the case then that was that was mistake. Yeah, I, I don't know what that looks like. And maybe I'm being naive about, like, how do you, not, you know, how do you not give the idol back to the per live at the camp where we just like a is it just like Chris Devon's? Can I have that have the back? No. Come on Devon's. What are you doing? What are you like, how do you live with the person for for, you know, twenty dude, dude, give it back to me knelt now not going to know? I won't do it. You're dreaming. If you think I'm giving you that have an idol. I mean yeah you're not getting that person's vote. But if if, if that's the edged that gets you to the win, then then. Yes, the move that's until move. And you know, you're human feeling human sediment. Does come into a lot certainly timer season? I think you'd have to do something like. I'll give it to you at tribal. And then when you're at tribal, just like throw it into the bushes like off the set because I don't know how you tell the person in the daytime, you're not giving it to them, and then live and live with that person. And not just had the person like strangle, you on the beach that day. Yeah. I mean, there's also the danger of sending someone who's like that salty against you to the jury, like even though from all from everything we've seen, like the jury was rabidly pro Devon's. You know, he doesn't necessarily know how rabid rabid DR and to send someone as the last juror or second to last year in that case to the jury just like furious. That's, that's that is somewhat high risk move. All right. Let's go to Holly from New Jersey on the fan line. Okay. Holly, are you there? We'll talk Holly. Yes. Holly. How are you? So I wish monk questions really like how much do you think it was a combination of Chris's social game and social dynamics at the edge, or how much of it was on with that? Because earth auto. Like chip by ability. Like on edge my like if he just wins. Doesn't the thing because I think the real. Okay, good. Good question. Holly arm and a little bit of trouble hearing, you. But I think we got the we got the question which is if, if not for all of the theater from Chris, does he ultimately come back and win the game in basically does he not. I guess it's hard because part of what he did with knocking Rick Devon's out at four. So I think that presumably Devon's is going to beat him if he ends up going against Devon, so it's hard to sort of parse that Stephen. Well, it's a definite dozen have an idol and he doesn't have immunity. Like, let's say Rick Devon's gets out by sort of a consensus vote Christmas sitting there at the end with, with the same people. I don't know. Like, I honestly think that Chris had to do something. He had to give the edge people a reason, you know, he had to be able to say and I talked a little bit about this with Hannah last night, how the contestants really care about the theme of the season. Like they believe in word dog said than theme is not on trial. You are right. And so, like, you know, he has to say like I came back from the edge, and then I did this because I was on the edge. And if he doesn't have anything where he can say like that. Did that like maybe they, they don't Ord him the win, but, you know it was probably a lower bar than what he did. He did. So. Much he probably had to do, like one of those ten things you know, it's also interesting. And I think that this is a factor of these big juries. When you take a look at the votes that Gavin God versus the votes that Chris Scott when we when we look at the Gavin votes, they were Rick. They were Lauren. They were Kelly and Aurora and for the most part, you know, three out of those four where the people that were in the game very late and basically played most of the time, and then also Kelly, who was a Gavin fan, and everybody else from who voted out earlier were the, Chris votes, and it's been interesting to see a lot of these juries end up, get split the Dominic and Wendell was the same thing, the five people that were out earlier voted for Dominic the five people who are out later voted for Wendell. And when you look at the votes between Nick and Mike. It was also very similar a lot. A lot of the people that were voted out later were votes for Mike and people voted out earlier, we're votes for Nick. So that the flashier player tends to get these votes. From the early jury members and the people that played more of the subtle game more social game. They get the votes from the later jury members. That's really interesting. I mean, there's obviously a lot of reasons I could go thirteen person jury. A social players. Yeah. It really it's really. That's a really, really interesting observation. Whereas if you're seven person jury then. You know if you have the last four, then you're good third game and what's not so much like like all all the people who voted against him. One of the people he betrayed. And the fact that he was a social player meant that in order to vote people out. He really had to betray that right? Like he had to vote out the people in his own alliance, and that's a sting that does take a lot of time to recover from. And so maybe it's not surprising that those people voted against him. Yeah. Whereas obviously, Chris did not have to do that, right. He voted out. I mean you got a rim who voted for him. But they had a lot of time to heal those wounds. Here's cliff from New York. Let's get cliff on the line here on fan credit as we're talking with Stephen fish back the day after the survivor finales cliff from New York clamp with what's up guys? Yes thing I a genuine, I love all survivor, the twits, whatever not a big deal to me. I'll take it all in what I wanted to ask about. Eaters, Chris addressing Gat. And if the final. Oh, that didn't go over. Well, it didn't go over. Well, plus I'm starting to eight mud have helped get him get ornoff, and some of the more Brexit players vote. What are you listening? I, I don't think it's that unusual for like contestants in the final tribal to call each other out Mino, tribal, the fact that it didn't go over. Jay did that to you. Right, Stephen, you. But a lot of people do and often will, like I've, I've written in many seasons about how like what a great move it was for this contestant to throw that contestant under the bus or like Rican textual. Like so I don't think it's that it's that rare. I mean, maybe with this giant jury. They're also desperate to have their last word that it's, you know. We'll ask the questions around here, Chris relax. But who do you think you are? I don't think it changed anybody's votes. I think that war dog was very invested in Chris coming back in speaking with war dog briefly, he was telling me about how, you know, they talked a lot on the edge of extinction. What things we're going to be like for the person what the strategy should be for the person who comes back into the game. So I don't think that war dogs vote was at all in, in questions. So I think that even though people said they hadn't made up their minds. I think that, you know, Chris did come in with a lot of votes in his pocket. And I don't think that necessarily change anything it is Wild Thing that, like they, he had it wasn't just a month away. It wasn't just the time to heal personal Vons. They basically came to like, strategic consensus with, like how many people thirteen really smart survivor players, including some three time players of how to play the. Games when you got in Chris's and just coming out back with, like perspective. He's coming back with a battle play or GED by. Yes. What's better having Robin, Sandra tell you what to do or a ten other survivor players? Smarten up, you you know what's up? All right. Well clip, thank you so much for the call. Okay. All right. I didn't even think about how next season you've just got like oh, I'm so excited. I'm so thrilled. The thrilled for I if people if people don't like it then. You know what, whatever? More like Rame, you or rim. I love I love, I love ream put her out there. Let replay again. Jacob from Chicago is on the fan line. Let's go ahead and talk to Jacob. Okay. Jacob are, are you there buddy? Let's go ahead and get him on, on the fan line. Stephen are you pumped up for the island of idols? I I'm up for all the k guys. Here's Jacob Schick pumped up to okay? Jacob what's going on guys? I'm I'm punk pearly impressions next year. Yeah. He gives her wearing the same shirt. Oh, I mean. Okay. Hey guys, I got a couple of questions for you. First of all, I was thinking about Julia being another zero mom filers. You know, she's kind of in the archetype of a Shelley, Monica dawn, mama. I got one vote demographic problem when it comes to these women who seem to can't, they seem to not be able to get, you know, to be taken seriously when it comes to find Trumbull, Chrissy. I mean what was interesting about, like Christie had that was sort of cast, as like the mom? Right. And she liked both played into 'em played against that sort of that sort of classic archive and narrowly lost. Yeah, I think it's sort of dangerous to say EV every every woman who plays survivor, that's in her late thirties or forties is. Is the same. You know, to me, mama see is not the same as you know, a Julie or Chrissy I think that they all have a different attributes it seemed like that. The jury was felt like the Julie was emotional also did not have a resume, and I feel like that they had to do a lot of caretaking of Julie, and I thought that she did not have a lot of moves or even a story that she could own in terms of the game, and it felt like that earlier in the game when the narrative was, comma strong, and she was sort of being one of the co pilots of commerce strong with Eric and Ron that was where I think that she had a claim to the game. But once the Eric vote happened that was really where she lost her footing. And she tried to claim ownership of a move that it seemed. To offend people on the jury that she claimed ownership of Julia going home. Julia herself seemed to balk at that sowed it war dog and Rick, Devon's people who were more active in that Trump, cancel when she jumped ship. And then she really never had a solid footing. She talked about being the pilot of her own smaller plane at that point in time, but she never really dictated a vote in the minds of the jury, and I think that that's important to be able to say why you were the best. So she claimed that her emotions were a strength. I think that people viewed them as a weakness and so. It would not be felt she. I thought she had a really poor final tribe. Yeah. Probably contributed enough final travel before she did win a couple of individual entities. Is that enough? Probably not. I do think that in this final tribal council format more than ever. I do think it's it's really important to own own what you did put the narrative out there of this was my game. This is what I this is what I did. And give the give the jury a story, they can sink their teeth into and Julie, Julie did not have that and was was it because she's a mom or because of the you know, the game that ultimately got her there that's for the jury to decide. Yes. Andrews of mom. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I do one more quick. Real quick. And I'm wondering we've seen. Twist. More. It's a one more time. Jacob the moving the headphones in and out is killing the mic on them. So just. John. Okay. We thought fire maker winners win the game three out of four times since I started, you know, I think it adds to our resume in an impressive way that gets votes. So I'm wondering is that going to become too much of an automatic thing that twist? Comes moot, because it becomes such an automatic win. We can help. So I don't think I don't think that, that is going to be the case because we saw Mike, white ultimately make the fire last season and have a not so strong final tribal council performance and ultimately lose the game to Nick. So I don't know if it's an automatic to make the fire and win. And as you said, Carolyn also lost to tonight, and that was not the fire making twist, but that was fire make. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to Trevor in Vancouver on the fan line. Trevor are you there? Stephen as we are sitting here, the first day of the survivor off season where when we reconvene, we'll talk about Boston. Robin Sandrine season thirty nine okay? I can't wait to be forever. How's it going? How are you, buddy? Hey, I'm good. How are you guys doing? Wait. Yeah. So I thought the finale was actually pretty entertaining. I hope they never do the twits again. But I thought it was stupid entertaining, a lot of people like it's like fun one off. But that's good most confused about. Victoria's vinyl travel council vote. Yeah. Shock voted for. Live at one. We'll have some insight into that. I talked to Victoria on the red carpet and in my interviews that are up on rob has a podcast. And I asked her, I said Victoria, I would bet anything you were a Gavin vote. And she said, well, you know, I felt like that Gavin. Betrayed me at the final six and I was mad at him. And so he I didn't I didn't vote for him. And when I said recent vote to vote for him. Nope, not fervent. Everybody's different food said, nobody should ever trust me. And she's, she told me and I said, I turned around and said, well Gavin you've got my vote. And she said, I did that. So because I hope that everybody would vote him out after that I didn't think it was a weird thing to say if she wanted him to win, because it would create a huge target on him. So as always Victoria, was in the right, then it was like the reverse Davey from bro. Actually, I guess it was the same as Davey because who, who did this and Mike, white was, like, you know, I, I did. And then. Well, you've got my vote tonight. So if somebody says that you have my vote, I suspect on the way out. Yeah. So that, that was what was thinking was. Other quick thing is if hypothetically Chris would have play again is targeted ego. All the question. I mean is he like more of a threat? Now, I painted the same Joe brush, Stephen, where up like you got to get this. This guy is going to win all this challenges after the merge. It's ironic because I know you tweeted something similar about this where we said, coming in oh, this season is designed for a Joe win watch because Joe he's going to win. He wins the challenges. He'll get voted out. He can come right back in and win these challenges at the end of the game. Well, not exactly. It wasn't. It wasn't Joe. But it was somebody from the Joe Joe who take advantage of this, and it really almost was Joe, and it's an interesting. I it is such an interesting question, like would Joe have been able to pull it out. How did been actual Joe? Yeah. And this question I did not ask war dog this question, but I was at I heard war dog asked this. Question. And he says that no joke could not have done. What Christa because he couldn't have finished that final six vote. Yes, he might have been immune at that point. Joey to better channel Joe war dog that it was it was not the fact that he that he came back in one. It was a he came back and played that's interesting. And that's always been the, the critique of Joe, even in Cambodia was that. He just he's not really a gamer. He's a challenge, competitor, but he's not much of exhibit. What do you think of Joe's new haircut? He looks handsome me haircut. Yeah, yeah. He needed at least trim at least trim. I mean it really was it was getting along. Okay, we'll see if it saps him of his strength, like he predicted. All right. Thank you so much. Trevor okay. All right. Let's do maybe two more calls and starts starts wrap up as we head to the top of the hour. Let's go to Connor in New York on the fan line. Okay, let's bring in so many people in New York. Steven. It's a great city and state and state. Great. All right. Here's Connor Connor. How are you? Good. How are you great? My question is so offering and David or t players that seem to in the past. It seemed to really value strategic game play especially Aubrey Hugh, be loss to someone because of a bitter jewelry. What do you think of their decision to vote for Chris over someone who is more silent than strategic, like Kevin look the OB the Michelle, I mean, they're Michelle, Chris parallels. Right. Where Michelle is basically quiet the entire game. And then in the last episode just like turns it on winds challenges. But I think different story in terms of like the edit sure, you could say that. But I mean Aubrey spent more days in the game with Chris than she did with almost anybody else. I mean he's on the edge of extinction with Chris for easily have Aubrey goes out what day twelve or thirteen and then they come back into the game. So she's on the edge of extinction with Chris twenty two twenty three days Chris had been her best friend in the whole game. It's his him the really good point last night, we've all we've always thought we've talked about, how like these, of course, they're going to want to vote for someone who they built these bonds with over time at the edge of extinction. Hennady this sort of additional point that Chris played the game. They all fantasize could have been like everyone of them was like I'm gonna go. I'm going to win Unity's, and I'm gonna play idols and I'm gonna give up fire making you know and he just played this fantasy game that they were projecting for themselves. And so, you know, like how do they not award that, right? Yeah. I was thinking, maybe they want it to validate that they could win if they came back. Yeah. I think that's probably it. It's like otherwise, like, what, what was out there, if, if I could never have one even if I played the perfect four days, five days, why was I there at all? So. The, the theme was not on trial. Connor. But again, like sorry, that I keep referring to hand you should you should listen to that podcast. The great podcast with Hannah last night Hannah said that the twist one, you know, kind of like it wasn't like you've been like Chris one is like the twist one. All right. Connor, thank you so much Stephen into in terms of the twist one is there anything that the players in the game could have done to prevent the twist from winning one way or another. Chris out at the final six. Yeah. But, but. But. Rick Evans is probably gonna win. No. Why? Then they all have the chance to beat him at fire. But if you know they had this clear shot at Chris and honestly, like for me, a lot of why I was okay with Christmas. Win is that he's he did survive this one vote where he wasn't immune and he didn't have an idol his his own idol. Yeah. It's like the other contestants were like tripping over themselves to, to give to give that to Chris, as a player, I think, demonstrated a very impressive skill set in terms of coming back, where that he could well be a triple threat that ultimately was taken out too soon, where I think that he demonstrated a lot in a short amount of time he kinda got voted out of the game in very wacky circumstances where yeah. Kinda got framed for something that, you know, he, he talked a war dog about a plan and then got back to Kelly. Wait where Chris trying to vote. Out. But it was really David Wright and Devon's that were sort of pushing that agenda, and Chris wanted to talk things through with war dog. And so he sort of got was framed as the architect of trying to get Kelly Whitworth out of the game when he wasn't. And so I don't know if Chris did a lot wrong the first time through to get voted out of the game. So I don't think he wins if he doesn't get voted out of the game that early on based on the way that the season went. Yeah, yeah. He had I actually I actually I've spoken to what about that vote. And more dog has has told me that it was not just this sort of information, shuttling, it was also that he kind of wanted to isolate more that. And know he, he identified Chris, a really good player and somebody who was a threat that needs to go, but my, my blog for that, that episode it was called in defensive Chris. I thought it was a mistake to vote about that. Now of, you know, obviously, it wasn't mistake devote amount then because he ends up winning the season into that elimination. All right. Let's see. One last call to Bodey in Connecticut. Okay. If if Bodey is there. Okay. Let's go ahead. And yet him on the fan line this morning. Bring us home. Boating. Yes. So I thought that it was really interesting at final four, when Chris was allowed to pick for Julie who she would run to the end. Yeah. Because she was the one with immunity. So I was thinking hypothetically. What if Julie said, no, I'm not going to bring Gavin. I'm going to bring I think Chris based on what we saw with the Dominic about today, thing of we talked this through with Dominic keeping be allowed to do that. I'm pretty sure that the survivor producers said to Chris, hey, if you want to do this, you get to pick the person. So because I think they wanted somebody to, to make this move so they want spectacle. Julia had objected and the two of them are like fighting over, like who's who's not going getting immunity would have flipped that play out to. Julia wasn't about to object in that. I don't think they were going to Christmas the best fire maker. Right. I don't think that they would allow that moment to get ruined where I think that they have to give Chris some confidence of, like, hey, if I do this do I get the pick who I do? Yeah, yeah, you're good. You're good. You get to ultimately do it. And if Julie wants to object, I think the Jeff will overrule her objection. I it's interesting. So, so this is the next stage right now that someone's given up immunity now the next person has to object to receiving. We all wanna make the fire Jeff put for four things in four of us going to fire I to, to make fire I three to make fire the final three. So if Julie had been after getting given immunity, and she had said, I want to give him unity to get in without have been like shut down, and Julia doesn't have if Julie wanted to do. It looks so this is interesting. So if Julie wanted to hypothetically say, Jeff, I would like to take the immunity necklace, and I would like to give it to Devon's to somehow we have Chris's move was to huge tonight. He's the biggest threat somebody needs to beat Chris, and the fire making challenge, couldn't you re gift the immunity necklace. I think that that question I think she could be able, she'll be I'm jumping ship. I do this. We can't. We can't stop Chris. He's now the biggest threat I'm getting my immunity to Devon's and I'm gonna take Chris on the fire making challenge. Don't like, hold on. I'm getting played. I need to give the immunity to Julie. I need to beat Chris for my nerd. Nobody wants to throw the immunity necklace and the fire that would be such a great move the only way to win to not play. Yeah. Okay. If truly take somebody else to take with her. She could give the necklace to somebody else, and then, and require that they pick her. Why would they want that? Why would she want? I don't want to be the one taking there's no world or this is relevant. But. Go on. I feel like that's most of the internet. This is relevant. But yeah, yeah, I just think that it's an interesting thing to. Boaty. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Bye steven. This was so much fun to get to talk things through with you. The day after we've never done this. Yeah. This is great because we have a little more perspective, but not as much perspective as we'll have. So it's like a nice level of like I still feel very first and last night, but I also still feel I feel a little bit distant. I think this, I think with, with more time that this is going to be I don't know. Maybe it'll be seen as worse. With more time, you know, maybe like when I, I don't know if with more time people will sort of, like come around to Chris, or with more time, if like when, like the fun of the show has sort of aided people will be even more outraged by us as we get further away because it feels like that Chris coming back robbed Rick Devon's of the wind. So you already you already were headed for a scenario where somebody who was voted out of the game was going to win. And instead, somebody who is voted out more recently out of the game for longer came back and won. So it's, it's really it's really wild as many as many different layers in this. I think that there are a lot of Rick Devon's fans who feel like Rick Devon's was robbed that you and you and had a really made a great case of why Gavin should have been the winner of the season. And I think that that's a compel. In case as well. And I think there's a lot of people that are just, you know, here for the thrill of Chris coming into nowhere. If you would've asked me at four thirty yesterday what chance does Chris under would have to win the game? I was one percent. I mean, we never even saw him on the edge of extinction. We I mean we, we did see him a little bit. But there was probably like a three or four episodes stretch where we didn't even see him on the screen and the edge of extinction. And I complimented Chris Underwood for this less, but he was so off the social media radar is like a my head the story I told myself was with Chris was a big fan but he just had a bad experience. And I think that he he's burnt out on survivor. I think the guy tweeted once during the seasons good for him. Good for him. And he and he was so proud of himself. He's like, yeah. He's like, I feel like I really I owed it to Jeff and Matt. Really play my part, and he did it and kudos to Chris. Yeah. Truly truly kudos to Chris, I guess that's the the big takeaway, like what a. I wonder whatever like it's like there's not much more to say, but not much more say. Okay. Despite there, not being much more to say, I will be with Josh Wigley later on today on our feedback show on the wiggle room after the finale. So we'll get Josh's take on everything that went down in this very wild season of favorite tweet of the night. What did he say? He said, when you think when everyone thinks your dream Bergen, but you're actually Devon's DV, and it was the picture him from from survivor was not an advantage. Yeah. Yeah. So then we'll get into everything with Josh. And Josh was also on location for season thirty nine and he has an article up today where him and Mike bloom talked with Boston. Robin, sandra. So we'll get Josh is a take on what that was like to be on the set a survivor thirty nine as well. So that's coming up in the wiggle room and then still much more to come. I have this week in survivor coming up with Jordan Kayla with a big surprise guest coming up on Monday. And then I've also got everything coming up with I talked a lot of people very interested in talking about their game, and the postseason interview series coming your way. But Stephen, I'm sure they're desperate. They are they are they are to a person. They seem very, very excited to be able to tell that story. Steven great job of very excited to have one last chance to talk with you Stephen fish back. Yeah. This was great rob, we, we never really got a proper goodbye. So I'm glad that now you were busy. Hobnobbing with the glitter Audie at the finale. Now, we have a chance to really talk about the episode decompress and just stare. Each other in the is one last time when let's reconvene next. All right. All right. Well, I'll talk to you on Sunday night. When we get into the game of thrones finale, but then after that, all the different me, but after that, I'll talk to you in September. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good. Whatever. Thanks, everybody. At fan credit for putting this together, and we we'll talk soon. Take care. Bye.

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Survivor 38 FINALE Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

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Survivor 38 FINALE Wiggle Room with Josh Wigler

"Take out. Josh? Learn. Learn learn learn. That's right. The post finale edition of the wiggle room is here. I am rob sister, Nino adjoin by Josh ler. Sadly, not in person for this go round, Josh. How're you man? I missed. I missed a doozy. Didn't I, I cannot wait to hear how this played in person? I'm very. Lots of lots of fun stuff to talk about super polarizing season. Super polarizing ending Bong. Have the Jessica Lewis e- ethic not ready to go? It's labral pro. Yeah. He got. So some would say a very polarizing season of survivor. So we got a lot to talk about here today. So we're going to hear everything that Josh has to say congratulations to Chris Underwood, the winner of survivor. We have a post mortem on the edge of extinction as a season as a twist, we're going to look ahead to everything going on with season thirty nine the island of ideals. We got our first look a Boston rob and Sandra as survivor catchers, so happy. I don't have to fully sit on that anymore. I've thrilled to be able to talk about that, just a little Josh was out on location in Fiji. And can finally tell us a little bit about that. We'll get into that here in this hour or so. And very excited about all that. Plus, we've got so much coverage already Stephen fish back and has had the know it all live. It's eight why they were right out there really good hands natural. That was really, really. She was real. Really, really fun. I listen to it on my way home from being at the post finale last night, which is that, that is something that you just like we should stop down for a second in just like kind of worship at the altar of the production capabilities of RHA that you not. The in overtime. Yeah. Yes. Scott on. Unbelievable Jehuda Scott's APR who then also got the final six interview podcast up. Also before I got into my house last night, and then also Scotsman working on the video during the day today. So Scott as working overtime, and also then he's going to have this podcast. So Scott is going to be very happy that the survivor finale is over. So I understand all that. And then I also talked to Stephen fishbach this morning, we've never done this, where we did a, the know it alls meet up the morning after the finale, and I talked to Steven fish back, and we took some phone calls on fan credit on the fan credit up this morning, all that up is in the rob has a podcast feed, rob website dot com slash itunes. And we appreciate your feedback and star ratings here even at the end of survivor season. But Josh some sad news to open up the show. We'll have a lot to talk about with the finale, but this just happened this afternoon whether we found out that one of the contestants from survivor, China WWE entertainer, Ashley Massaro, has died today. Yeah. I, I saw that headline making the rounds really shortly before you. And I hopped on the podcast, even I was I was very surprised by. I'm very sad by that. She was thirty nine years old. That is way too young to lose anyone this voted out second ins or China. If I'm if I'm remembering right? If I'm remembering right? Maybe some sparks with with Dave loco is how I how I recall how some of that played out very sad. And just obviously all of our best to, to her family, and her loved ones that she leaves behind. Yeah. We don't have a lot at this time but a very sad. Very young. And. Thoughts and prayers to her family, and everybody that got to knew her in through the survivor family as well. So not, not news that we were expecting in the least today. No, not at all. Not at all. All right. So no easy way to segue. But we need to talk about everything that happened last night, and Josh you and I talked on the wiggle room earlier this week and we outlined the scenarios for the season. And it was Rick Devon's versus the field. And you had said that, you know what I'll take the field when all signs were pointing to Devon's to Rick Devon's winning the season. Oh my God. The survivor editors how obvious can they make it that they, it's all things? Rick Devon's something told you that there was something amiss that maybe. It's not pointing to Rick Devon's and we even got to talking about well, perhaps, the reason why we're so focused on Rick Devon's if it's not Rick Devon's maybe the person multiple is going to win. This game is on the edge of extinction, and that led us to regime, and we fantasized for a good twenty five minutes of only on the air off the air. I fantasized about every every hour afterwards so about ream winning the season. Yeah. So we weren't that far off, if re winning the season, it was Chris Underwood who comes back, and then I let me ask you when you've felt strongly Rick was not going to win. What were you seeing, and it wasn't even that I felt strongly that Rick was not going to win. It was more like, what is the other possible case, what is the other possible case for why somebody could win this season of survivor instead of Devon's because there was so much narrative energy. Behind him. He was on the Bergen ask run. And it turned out that, as I as I tweeted, it turned out, he was not dream Bergen. He was Devon's in that in that fire making challenge that, that was the great twist. But it seemed like there was no one who is actively still in the game. That would be able to challenge. Mike. I just I didn't really see the clear path for even even somebody as savvy as Victoria, or Gavin or Lauren or Julie. It just it, it just was not. It was not adding up. And we know that we're coming back into this with somebody is going to be returning from the edge of extinction. And if it's somebody who we already know decent amount than maybe they don't have to show us a ton from the edge of extinction, because we'll just automatically be able to click with that person. Like if it's somebody who was voted out recently or it's one of these returning players, I could really see, like that epic two and a half hour movie of survivor the edge of extinction. Finale playing out we're Devon's is taken out by somebody who we do have some. Connection to already in, they have to sort of Phoenix from the ashes type of story. But in no universe. Did I imagine that the person who would take that honor would be someone that we did not go at all? Really? Outside of some some, you know, some Twitter humor and some doing it for Monica jokes from I one out, it is someone who really, really hardly saw it all on the show until the biggest episode ever biggest one off episode ever for a successful survivor player. Probably in the in the history of the show, and obviously me and the rest of survivor nation. I assume we are all still kind of like show were shook. Yeah. We're, we're really. A wild night. And I was saying this last night that I mean, to look at the sliding doors of this thing, where if Joe gets his ball into the second hole. I don't think the Chris even gets mentioned at the finale reunion. Of course not. I think he's there with, with Eric and Keith of being people that Jeff doesn't even mention in that people don't get questions now it's sort of like a Oscar. Thank you of, like, oh, there's so many other people have to think Victoria, thank you for being so exciting all season long. And people would forget that you were there. That's how good of a player you are. Wardag you drove so much story the entire season. Trine sideburns. I liked it. When you look like a Japanese anime villain, that was pretty cool. So if you're lucky, you get an acknowledgement now, no more question is a lot. But just Mark tactic waiting for. Waiting for. Yeah. Limit the ability for the players to speak. You're you're doing well on time. You're kind of your curbing some of those complaints from people like you don't talk to the people. And I was like, yeah. Well, I'm really just I'm talking at them. But like knowledge in their existence. Yeah. Because sometimes the strategy that, you know, the last five minutes. All right. Real quick. Real quick to the background. All right. Real quick. Distracted service Underwood the most unlikely of people or among the most unlikely of people to a story. Yes. Yeah. From a story perspective. So Josh we've seen all the reactions for what, what is your reaction to all of this? Do you have the clip handy of the time that you talked about the Walking Dead and Rick Grimes leaving the Walking Dead on the wiggle room and it just made me laugh for a solid twenty seconds? You have that handy. I laugh because you kid. Yeah. I mean that's basically it. What do you want to say? Great for Chris Underwood. I'm thrilled for Chris human being Chris entered survivor. He enters the last person that I interviewed during a very very long day of interviews in the preseason. He comes in kind of like looking at the clock because sun is going down. And everybody else that junk, it is waiting for me to finish, one more interview before anyone can go home and Chris Underwood, rolls up singing, the wiggle room. Theme song ready to talk about how we kept you're worming him with Monica colpepper in the evolution of strategy. Really, really excited to nerd out about survivor, vastly more excited to play survivor, and what was hopefully going to be like a quick fifteen minute. Interview ended up being one of the longest of the whole session. So I know firsthand I had seen. The wide-eyed enthusiasm from this person who was getting to live out. His dream was putting a lot of pressure on himself to as he said play this perfect game. And just just to I went back I listened to your interview with Chris from I one out today and he mentioned that he he wanted to play the perfect game. Yes. Yeah. What he wanted can I play I pulled the clip from the interview with Chris Underwood? And there was a couple of interesting things, he talked about the that he's a salesman and he had these tactics from being a salesman wasn't going to tell anybody about that. He was going to tell us tell people that he was this dive instructor. And he teaches people had a dive, but this is a towards the end of your conversation with Chris Underwood so, so in terms of like the outdoorsy stuff, you're going to say you're dive instructor. So you're. Going to live up to the hype. When it comes to the water you feel about that. Yeah. I feel good about that four challenge with the fire and everything you feel. Okay. Yeah, I feel good about that. I practice making fire with Flynn. It's a lot different than them. Matches, you know, different but I was able to make it successfully. And for me good thing is I I'm pretty early. I get up early back home, like I'm an early riser up at, like five in the morning like early five thirty in the morning and that'll actually pretty good because if you're the first one up, you're the first one who gets to practice making fire. You're the first one getting that, you know, getting that started again for the day's work, and it's going to be a little time to think through my game but also practice is I sure held on end up at the final four and not be able to make it and that'd be that's but preparation, you know, don't they'll be laurel. They'll be laurel laurel. I don't know how to make. You know how to make like. Oh my goodness. Hey for Monica Vermont do it for Monica for Monica into the microphone who are you going to win for? I'm winning his Monica beautiful. We got good stuff, man. Go crush it. Okay. I'll see on the other side. Goes. That. I guess I gotta get the guy wombat now. Right. I told them last night that I told him don't worry, we're gonna get one bed tat. And he said that, that's all I ever wanted. Yeah, it's the crown right? It's only fitting that this thinker gets interesting. Yet. I'm I'm here for it. Now I had the time at the finale, this was, you know, I've been to a bunch of these now and for me, this was one of the most fun shows that I've been to. And the room was was really rooting for cr-. I mean it was very pro Devon's Devon's was Devon's was killing, but then once and they were very pro, Chris, and then between Devon's wants and wants Devon's was gone. The audience was ver- very much for Chris in the room, even though he was the Devon slayer, even though but he that really played big in the room where he made the fire and went into the fire making challenge and takes the necklace, everything blew the top off the place and so really, really exciting stuff from Chris, but a polarizing outcome for. Many of the fans but it's so interesting to me, in terms of that we debated for almost three weeks on the podcast across the internet, where the survivor Facebook page was devoted like Rick. Devon's is the best RIC. Evans is awesome Evans's killing you and everybody else thinks is the best. And then this, if I've read a page Rick Devon's is the worst. I hate RIC Evans. Seventies ruining survivor. We end up with this really wild outcome where almost nobody is happy with the outcome. Where people the people the posting on Reddit, we're wanting a Gavin or Victoria, or a Lauren win and people Facebook wanted, Rick, Devon's to win and none of that happens. And here's Chris, and nobody even knows. I think a Gordon, Gordon homes at a great tweet. Or maybe he said in his recap like this morning. I would not have been able to pick Chris Underwood out of a lineup. Yeah. And my advice to him if he if he doesn't remember Chris, moving for just look for superman, I told this to Chris last night that he did such an amazing job of hiding this from every the, the show. Whether you think it's good or bad did a fantastic job of hiding this and you talked about that, quote, from Jeff about it being a murder mystery. We don't know we don't we're not gonna know who did it. And I have to say also RIP epic also. By the way. But for Chris Underwood, then I told him you didn't amazing job because I thought he came in so hot in more wasn't one in first one out of that. Boy, this guy is survivor nerd, he loves survivor was geeking out about doing it for Monica and boy, his post anything about survivor. This just have been that little experiments. Stepped on his dream spit him back out. And now he's just totally over it. He got married during the season of I don't even want, I'm on the show right anymore to be around. And just I, I want nothing to do with survivor, and he was playing possum. Yeah. And Ray job on him. You know, I think he he really played that role. Really marvelously. I wonder what kind of conversations he may have had with producers about, like, obviously, we know that this is a strange situation and you're probably not going to be on the show, very much. Just really go low key, and you're really gonna pop. Once you hit it in the finale. And no he saw this coming, but he had this. And, and so I love that we're all surprised. That's, that's what I love. That's that's why I love this. And that's why I'm very excited to talk about all this. But yes, there is also, you know, we have an issue here about the idea of that we spent many, many weeks and many podcasts sure, we had a lot of fun talking through all of this, but not always not. I did. I know. Yeah. But we are left with a situation where you know, what did Abullah of what happened matter to nothing. Yeah. It's a shaggy dog sees you. You hear about the shaggy dog story where it's just like you know, it's going on and on, and on and on. And it kind of ends pointlessly. You know, it's, it's, it's the it's the aristocrats right like a super elaborate long, expansive series of dirty jokes, that just get like dirtier dirtier, and more vulgar, vulgar, and it just ends with a completely random punchline. That's what this is. And you know there's a contingent of survivor viewers that love themselves a train wreck season, you know, I am I am I have been all aboard the San Juan del sur hype train for years now from the jump, I loved that season. They're the people who, who would die for good bone right there. The people who will swear up and down that, that is the best season of all time, we talked about that in the evolution of strategy. And I think that there's an instinct, at least right now that this is a season that edge of extinction kind of fits in that mold. I'm seeing I'm seeing a bit of those takes people who abs-. Absolutely loved that people who have like the same enthusiasm that you just spoke about it with without any equivocation. Without any reservations, or just like completely enamored with the left turn that it takes at the end of the season. And I, I mean I don't Foley know where I'm at with it all. I mean I do I appreciate an outlier of an ending. I'm very happy for the guy on very happy for Chris as a human being. I will probably appreciate this season more if it remains an outlier if this is a season of survivor that is that there is no equal to it before. And certainly, if there is no equal to it from this point forward because I think that this, this outcome really exemplifies why the edge of extinction was an awful twist. I think I think it was it was, you know, I appreciate the swing and survivors on its thirty eighth season approaching its twentieth anniversary. They gotta try stuff. I totally get that. But I so many reasons and we can we can spend time getting into I just think it's a really bad twist. And I don't think that survivor can handle it. I don't think that survivor as a forty two minute unit of television per week can handle this twist because you either have to completely hide. Your winner from the audience at a situation like this, if it's somebody who was knocked out of the game so early on and has no story to show that you're gonna completely make them invisible. Or you have to find a way to make them more visible. And now are you tip? Ing your hand too much. And I don't know where I come down on that. Like there's a big part of me that feels like sure in, in the murder mystery analogy. Like you know, you can look at like true detective and who's the yellow king, and like is not like, you know, not somebody that you were really looking at, like that happens from time to time. It's the it's the it's the guy at the coffee shop in the in the first half of the second episode or whatever, you know, you want, you want to say, and that's basically, how they treated it here. Weird chris. And is that enough for me? It's not for me. It's not for me. I don't think that it's really playing fair but I don't know what other options. They had when on top of the fact that the edge of extinction is such a complication survivor itself has become so complicated. And there's all these returning players that are in the mix as well. Right. As stole many different masters to serve. So on top of that you also now have. Serve the edge Lord Chris Underwood as the winner of the season, that this is another master that you're going to have to serve, and you just kind of choices to ignore him completely in the underneath the weight of everything else. I mean, it's great borough laugh, and I'm very happy for him and his new family that he will be starting with him and his wife, we've just gotten married and they're going to have a very happy, life together with a million bucks in their band. That's and that's wonderful. But I think it kinda really sucks as far as an outcome for season of survivor. At least if this is any indication of where we're going to be going moving forward. If edge of extinction is just kind of this is it and it's done. Then then I'll live with it. But if this is if this is a sign of the times, and I'm pretty trouble. Well, I can't speak to the edge of extinction part of it. I don't know if necessarily, if, if you talk to the powers that be your jeffer-, Matt. And really like did this did this work. Great was a side. You know, the kind of outcome that you were hoping for who knows what the real answer is. But I can't tell you that something Jeff said last night talking to the crowd before the, you know, he came up and is a great warm up guy. That is at the live shows and Jeff told the audience, like, hey, I just wanna take a moment. And thank our cast for what they've done this season. And you guys see it every week. And you know you see what they're doing out there. And that there are these purists out there that say, hey, get rid of all the idols and the advantages. And just you are dreaming because we're not gonna do it because that's what makes these guys be able to play the kind of game that they played. Yeah. So Jeff was defiant to the purists last night. Yeah. No, I mean, I think he likes to push the show. Yeah, he he's pushing it in a direction that is interesting for him. And that's his that's his right. Easy executive producer. He's the host. He wants to hang in there and if he's going to be hanging in there. He needs to make the show interesting for himself. I totally get that. I also severely disagree with it, insofar as how this is this is any kind of a direction that, that server should go in I call call me a purist. If that's what you want. But I think that survivor can be experimental, and it can still be about the sacred bond of you go on an island. You vote someone out there out of the game? And that's it. I don't know. I'm I'm sad that note of defiance that yet you're stressing it concerns me a little bit it. Absolutely does. I will say that. The thing overall that bothered me the most about the season when we go back and, and really look at it. I do not think that Chris Underwood should have returned from the edge of extinction with any kind of hidden immunity, idol and Chris under, really, really, really, really terrible choice. Chris Underwood played a amazingly. And we talk about, you know, that he did make more moves in three days than some people make. Season that being said for him to have the opportunity to have immunity, at one of the two votes that he was going to be involved with that me. I felt like that. This made it a little bit too much of a layup. For for Chris. And I, I don't know if that was really explained to the jury and have to go back and I did a rewatch episode. I didn't get up to the final trouble council. I don't know if the jury knew that the idol that Chris play in that wild trauma council, where to fake aisles. Get played to realize those get played. I don't know. I guess I guess it was it was. The jury the reunion show or in front of the jury about. Devon's give the idol back to it's kind of a blow either way. I think that's I think that's a reunion, but during the final tribal council gab and brings it or Gavin's like, I think it's kind of on Yair that Chris gets to come back into the game. And he has this he has this it was given to him. And if he doesn't have that he's boated out at the final Chris quits at the final five, and then ultimately voted out. And I think that's probably too far. Yeah. You I mean how many idols are we going to have with five people in the game? You know what the I did appreciate this, in fairness -vivor like I appreciated how much they kind of allowed Gavin to talk about that not in the in the finished product of the show. I really appreciate that from survivor that they are that they had to know that this is going to be controversial that a guy who makes it thirty nine days without getting a single vote cast against him is going to get four votes to win, but not enough against a person who's only played twelve or thirteen days of survivor, and they allow that person who has played a really really good social game. If a quiet game to talk about the vast difference between what it meant for him to the high degree of difficulty that it took for him to get to where he was versus the comparable road that Chris had to take off and some of the things that Gavin was saying in that final tribal council. We're indictments of, of concept issues from, from the part of survivor. He's talking about that idol, and that's being out to be front and center. So I, I really appreciated that. I think when you're when you're I didn't get a chance to talk to Gavin during during the phones that I got to do a pretty limited set just because of you know, I'm really very deeply engaged. So I was I was happy to do the ones that it was able to do, but from reading what I've been able to read and from listening to like your talk with Gavin and some of your toxic with some of the other people in some of the interviews with other people people are putting on, like a pretty good face about this. But you can you can like feel a little bit of that tension underneath of like, like, man, that's that's second idol like the eight out of ten. I roll from from Lauren Donald that you could hear on the hot cast. Yeah. Like some of that stuff is just too much, right? Don't get rid of the immunity idol. That's fine. The immunity idol has been a part of survivor forever, but this level it's, it's just it's it's too far for, for me. And if this continues to be like if that. What's getting deepened the deeper we'd go into survivor? This is the first season longtime where I just I really pretty clear on the podcast. I think but I was just losing entry, and I will continue to lose interest. If this is sort of the deeper the direction that the the franchises going, I'm here for the for the social game. I'm here for for for the people slugging it out with with with votes and duplicity and the occasional Eitel in advantage mischief. But that, that idol that Chris came back was really was really, really rubbed. Man. Let's not forget that we had a season considered by many a top five season only. Absolutely that's all time. Only one addition ago. Come down higher on the edge of extinction. Because I do think that this did turn out to be a really wild ride. And are you going to have any interest in, like rewatching my actually? I actually. Yeah, because I, I wanna see if there was a, a little bit more there. I'm actually I'm eager to see some of the moves that I might have missed the first time through by the likes of the Gavin's and Victoria's Lawrence, and I wanna see, especially with Gavin if there was more there that I missed the first time through I, I wanna see if there was any more clues about Kris Underwood throughout the so I am going to enjoy a rewatch, and I do think it's going to be a fun one when we eventually get to the strategy great. Now that being said, I don't want anymore extinction. In terms of a of a twist for me though, as a one off that this was fine. This was this was the, the wild ride. And I think it ended up going down almost as we expected it. I mean you and I both made Joe angle winner pick. And we were one ball. Scenario that I that I said was that people felt like this was the season. That was really Joe's. We'll house of okay? Well, Joe get voted out the merge, and it'll come back and then, you know, win a couple of challenges and get to the final three and win this thing. And it wasn't Joe. That did it, it was Chris right? But this is this is that really speaks. So the Ponderosa videos. Yes, I watched them yet, but I do plan on. Okay. Okay. I do plan on doing a deeper dive before I get into this week and survivor coming up on Monday. Yes. So the Ponderosa videos are out. We were wondering if those are going to exist, the, they're real that they happened. And they're kind of like a jumbled orienteer- on the YouTube page. So I, I watched a little bit out of sequence. I think this is the sequence that you're supposed to the. Why people like if you were going to go back, watch all twenty two MC you movies? What's the order to watch them? I this may be like a lightly out of order, but I think it's pretty close, and you should be able to sensible narrative through this. It starts with the cast-offs reflect on leaving the next one, you should watch is the cast-offs way in the one, you should watch after that is cast-offs feast at Ponderosa then you should watch the cast-offs form deep bonds. Then you should watch David Wright, does his best Jeff Probst impression. It's actually it's not bad. It's pretty good. Then there's the cast offs finally get to decompress at Ponderosa, new tweet, and it's also then it's, then it's straightforward Victoria, Lauren and Devon's and then you're done with Ponderosa. So the way that pond Rosa is done this year, obviously because like everybody just like arrives at Ponderosa and mass. It's a gigantic cluster of people. They have the first several Ponderosa videos, dedicated to this as sort of like an on samba apiece. It's like it's like the avengers of Moses where each one is this massive team got tell you this. This is one of the best ponderosa's series I've ever seen. It's great. You know, the fact that it plays as binge it really play like a documentary behind the scenes on survivor shines a light on some of these people who didn't get to know very well, across the way or some people who, who we've known pretty well, in terms of the returning players aubrey's a bit of a star in this. She has. Sad. At a barbecue. Coleslaw is indeed mentioned. And David is just like he's just like a drink in his hand the whole way through. There's Eric is a stall, Eric the firefighter is, he's just like a super super nice guy, and there's, there's like an emotional moment with Joe coming to terms with the fact where it's like am. I ado bag like this. Those words. But, like that's one of the questions he's kind of wondering, am my era. That, like there's really there's really good material in there. And I and I love it and great work by everybody involved in the Ponderosa stuff. But why are was that this season? Why, if, especially if epic sanction was going to end up being such a big deal, and especially if somebody who we'd completely forgotten about was going to come back and win the game. How did we not get some sort of like digital series that showed us what was going on? I understand if we can't if we can't have it in the in the context of the episodes at self because there's just so much going on. But at the very least, even on top chef they don't try and put last chance kitchen in the episode, they have it as its own dedicated series. And typically, that's a knock from me when I'm talking about last chance kitchen and top chef which is not a twist that I like very much. I think that that's at the very least above. Board and giving proper attention to this side story that's happening in this series that may have a massive impact on the end result. And like there's this, the challenge to get back in, in this episode ultimately comes down to Joe and Chris, and Joe is right there. And he loses in Chris's right there, and he wins and they like come to, to each other, like right afterwards, and they have like that, like that, like head to head landed of the apes like showing of affection and appreciation for one job tells the love you, brother. You did it man. And like we have no context for that. So imagine the version of this story where we were we were able to, to see some of those relationships that were built out on the edge of extinction. So I don't I just for the next big idea like this for the next big idea like an edge of extinction. I know that probes tweeted out earlier in the in the uric you guys want ninety minute f. Yes. Went two hour episodes. If you're going to take big swings like this block in those ninety minute episodes, we need them, we're going to need that time in order to sell these ideas effectively. Otherwise forty two minutes is nowhere near you off. Because Underwood just shows up so underdeveloped when there's obviously a lot of snow here. But I'm sure that there's a really, really compelling story there, even if the edge of extinction is pretty boring the human interactions. There's gotta be stuff you could we've Josh I wonder did production and you were out there in the preseason did were they banking on that more people would have tapped out, and that there would not be thirteen people on the or eleven people on the edge of extinction by the end of this. If we would have had at any given time, you know, at the most like five or six people on the edge of extinction. I think this is just it was such a wild idea that I think it was it was. It's very, it's very much of the and Malcolm, mold. And no, I'm not looking at the giant pile of triceratops. Poop. But perhaps the scene with Ian Malcolm interesting park where he says you only thought about if you could he didn't stop to think if you should, and I think that there there, there's an element of this was a concept that they that they could create that could be very compelling. That could be very interesting. They had never done it before. And I think that there are. I think that there were just elements that were that were rogue elements that maybe weren't considered like the true drive to stay out there that, that was exhibited by so many of these people and really the pace that was set by ream which is something that's talked about in the Ponderosa videos of, like, if you weren't going to leave, I'm not gonna leave before you remem-, and like she really sets the pace everybody except for two people, and I can't imagine that they thought that every single person would stay. And I think that the other thing that maybe wasn't taken into account is, and it's another reason why, like hate is a very strong word. I'm just using the phrase of hate, you know, hate the game like don't hate the player hate the game that I think like you can't I can't blame the jury for voting the way that they did. Maybe some of them there's a co of like I can't we did vote for Gavin that was your guy. But in. In a lot of those cases, these people. Wow. Nup on the edge of extinction. We're thinking about and fantasizing about what would happen to them if they were able to get back into the game. Chris, this guy who is a huge provider for them out on the edge of extinction. Apparently allegedly this is what people are saying. Oh, we didn't really get to see these feeding them. He's comforting them. He's helping them survive gets back into the game. And basically plays the bus version of what everybody is fantasizing about. Of course, these people are going to vote for him to win. So I wonder how much that was taken into account as well. That I feel like somebody who comes back in Chris's position from the edge of extinction echoes, a very, very, a pretty sure bet to at least score some, some major major points, I think Devon still would have won out had he and Chris, both been in final tribal council together. But I think when it's when the argument is either, you know, the guy who betrayed many of these people and sent them to. The jury or the guy who was a fellow member of the jury in mourning for the guy who was on the jury. Okay. So I don't know. I think that there's, there's if they were able to bring it back, there's obviously, I think that there's a, there's a lot that needs to be reconsidered Joshu. We have a lot to still get to here tonight and I'm going to start bringing in some of our feedback questions from the listeners. But first, let me take a moment, and thank one of our sponsors, and those are friends over at stamps dot com. I'm a big fan of stamps dot com. I've been using it here to send out everything to the patrons, when they sign up all these perks and incentives that we send out we all do that with stamps dot com over here. What else you can do with stamps dot com? Josh what's that you can go ahead and avoid that visit to the post office? Next time you send a letter to yourself, my God, I hate the boast of the poll. The post office is fine. 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I could see a scenario where this to have. Idle ends up coming back and similar with a tie and Scot Pollard where, hey, can you hold my idol and we do? See somebody throw it into the ocean or throw it into the fire. A Dr Mike with Lauren remers strap. And what's interesting is the second time around that these things come up, whether or not, I guess it sort of ties into like the ghost island of it all of kin, kin, the like emerging game play end up shaping the way these things. And then give us these moments the second time around. Yeah, I think I would imagine that Rick Devon's has spent many nights wishing that he had a had that as a trophy and. Hanging on his hang on his mantle because. Yeah. In hindsight, if he just kind of chooses not to give that back. Evans's probably Devon's very likely could be could be. Or maybe it's Lauren and you know who earn. One thing change everything. I know. Exactly. All right. Let's get into some of these feedback that we have. And why don't we start off with our great friend, Johnny diesel VERA with a question. Hey, robin. Josh, Johnny diesel, Barron Vancouver. In the history of survivor off the top of your head. Can you to think of a better argument by non winner? And in what Gavin gave last night was there much Elsie could have said that could have turned a jury in his favor fangs of your bay. Okay. Let's talk about Gavin who with all this talk about resume resume resume Gavin seemingly with the more impressive resume Chris with the better story, and the momentum of went tiptop toes in the final three in a battle that was won by Chris Underwood. So let's just talk about this from the perspective of Gavin and what went wrong for him. Well, I really, I really felt for Gavin there and I'd like to think that, you know, we talk about this a lot on like on, on the evolution of strategy of. Who would you vote for who would you like to think that you would have voted for? And I, I would like to think that I would have voted for Gavin. I would like to think that I would have voted for somebody who is in the game the entire time, but I probably would have been miraculously voted out, even before reading it would be it would be a miracle. If I was even in that jury. And if I were in that jury, and Chris Underwood had been feeding me for the better part of thirty five days, I probably would vote for, for Chris Underwood. And I think that it's just really hard to account for that. And I think Gavin really underestimated that aspect of the season and. I it's hard to really really penalize them for it and really hard to, to really fault him because I think it was it was a very hard battle for him. No matter what. But I do think in, in some ways the way that he was talking about the difference between his game and the different you know, the difference between his game and Chris's game was really, he's kind of inadvertently taken a bit of a dump on the experiences of many people on that jury many people who, who had shared a closer experience to what Chris went through than than what Gavin went through. So I think Gavin on on many other days that is an argument that would have would have one that he was making a fairly compelling points. You know probably not if he's up against like a much flashier player who also had been in the game for. The vast majority at the very least. But the idea of like I'd never gotten a vote against me. I was very stealth. I had a strong social game. I cut people when I needed to think he said, I don't remember, if he said, this with you, or if he said this Dalton Ross he talked about how he felt like he was coming in there with, like a JT Cochran thing where he novotes against him. And he's got the timing thing down and that may work on another season. But with this jury he was actually making I think like the way that he was. He was talking about his game versus Chris was like a really really bad way of selling himself to this jury to the point that ironically enough. I think it does end up being a bit more fish back in, in that he's talking about dynamic power structures to a meat and potatoes. Crowd that likes the warrior and not a wizard like this relatively similar to me. I don't think it's this fault. I just think that that's the reality. So I think one of the things that really worked against Gavin. And I think that this was also alternately up problem for Lauren and for Victoria, and for Julie, and even potentially Aurora. All those people that were there with Rick Devon's. When Rick Devon's was getting all of the airtime. You know, it was a season where we saw it was the quote unquote threats verses the goats and the people who were the out in front, quote unquote threats. Those were the people that got targeted tribal council travel council if tribal council and these other players. Very keenly, realized, hey, the more I stick my neck out and sort of take ownership of the big moves happening in the game. The more likely I am to be able to be voted out next and singled out as oh Gavin is the one running things he needs to go next. So these players were able to lay in the weeds a little bit more as we saw back to back to back to back. It was David Wright, and then it was Kelly went worth. And then it was war dog. And then it was Ron and it was all players that were talking to each other. Hey, we're where we're the threats we saw Ron and Devon's war dog have those conversations and these are the players that were able to adapt and say, hey, the more you say that you are one of the big players out there playing this big game, the more likely you are to go home. And then ultimately Devon's was the only person left from that group. And they just tried and tried and tried to get Devon's out of the game, which only elevated him. But the mistake in calculus, was that it sort of left them vulnerable to somebody to come in and sort of take that mantle of being the biggest threat out there. And then sit at the end with two of the players who were playing more of that under the radar game. And there were so many people on that jury that were related to the taking the big swing game not to take anything away from Gavin because he did make a lot of big flips in the game. Like. Taking out Eric as a big move in the game. And he's a big part of taking Aubrey. Right. And so he he was involved in those moves, but I don't think that people saw him as the galvanizing force behind those big move. We still haven't ising he wanted he wanted to go after David Wright, and he was really he was really pushing for that at one point. And I asked Ron about this, of course, Ron was vote for Chris. And what did you think about Gavin was it close? And he said, no gabbing play the game in the shadows. He felt like and that was not the kind of game that he respected so on paper it looks really good. But in terms of what this jury was looking for. I don't know if this was ever going to be a fit with the person coming back from the edge of extinction, and I wonder had it been some type of scenario where the player had like had the threat. It's alliance stock, and whether it was like, you know, it's Kelly Wentworth and war dog, and then Chris has come back from the edge of extinction. Does he get the votes in that scenario where it's players that were looked at as having played bigger game? I wonder if it would have been a different result, as opposed to it being predetermined that whoever the person edge of extinction was against in that final trouble council that the person would automatically win. I think the other thing about Gavin is like he's not he's not a big show boat. You know that's not as personality. I think that that was a strength for him in terms of being able to stay alive and never really have to deeply fear for his life in in the game. Never getting vote cast against him making his way to the final tribal council in that fashion, which is really really, really impressive thing to do. It's so funny that, you know, he's kind of, like you know, we're just coming off of a season where like the good old southern boy and Nick Wilson is is able to is able to win out. And here's Gavin. Another good old southern boy who is playing like who's, who's a secret undercover superfan, who was like a huge nerd versus -vivor, and you might not just pick it out. Maybe just doesn't fit that archetype, but ends up like almost a little more like Mike Whitey by by the end of this final tribal council. I just think I think that's interesting. But he's just he's never going to be he's not going to be that guy who is who's breaking news the way that Rick Devon or, or, you know, is going to be just like completely wild eyed and insane. Like the war dog, there's, there's sort of like a really relaxed, soothing quality about Gavin. I think makes him like a really good agreeable person to wanna be around. It makes you feel good. And he's, you know very. Very, very charming in that way, somebody who you just want to spend time with, but maybe not somebody who you who you take very seriously as a threat, I think that, that was to a lot of people's detriment, and it's a shame that, that wasn't that wasn't reflected on Moya just because just because he's not like you know, he's, you know, he wasn't like the bar Burien out there, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a warrior. He was just is the assassin in the shadows. I think that's a very very valid way to play. And I think that it's really it's really compelling to me. I don't know how much thought you've given this yet of the breakdown in, in devotes in who voted for in who voted for who ultimately. Yeah. With with Chris getting getting a lot of votes from X, comma, people and Gavin actually scoring all of his votes, other than ro-ros. From former less from, from Rick of all people from Lauren from Kelly, Wentworth, it just that, that's a, that's a fascinating aspect of this for me is like, the comma, comma strong tied that ends up swallowing up one of its own as this huge block of former comments voting for Chris instead of Gavin a guy that they have played with the entire time is at that they don't recognize that this was somebody who played a really strong game or did the way that Gavin played get it sting a little bit. And not to say that, like, you know voting one way or the other based on that is is wrong. Or right. You vote how you vote. Yeah. That's the co wrong stove, again, in the case of Victoria, that she did not vote for Gavin because she wanted him that that was what she told me I was very surprised that she didn't vote from guests Gavin. That story did not cast a vote for him. But she says, hey, nobody should trust me. And she was she was upset with the way and honestly going back to that final six I still don't really understand who voted for whom and I wish that survivor would I don't know why they can't give us the votes in that scenario, but Victoria felt like that Gavin had defected in some way or another that ultimately led to her going home at that vote and it cost him a a jury vote. I, I wonder like could could somebody could Todd have quantum leap into Gavin's body at that moment and won that game for Gavin was wasn't winnable for him at that travel council. I don't think so with that, Jerry. I don't it's interesting. I don't I, I don't I think I. Think with, like the I think, with with Chris is lived in experience, bunking with the jury for the vast majority of the game, that's so hard to beat especially with, with such a huge jury. It's a it's a, you know, Gavin gets four votes and Chris still wins with nine that's how many people voted for a winner. I, I think I think it was going to be a really tough sell for just about anybody, unless you had like you're talking about. I think it's a good point. I think that this was this was a jury that, that wanted to see some bravado. And it does seem like there was this. It's great that we're getting these perspectives from these people. Now, by the way, it was. So it was so much fun to listen to your to your red carpet, interviews into start reading this stuff and gleaning some of this information to see how much of an influence ghost island was on this season of this, like this big swing away from the place style of ghost island with everyone having seen how that shook out and how no one like everyone like very politely like in their estimation. Anyway, everyone just kind of like, politely stepping out of Dom and Wendell's way and letting them, you know, really get to the top, and really not wanting to get in the in the midst of that. And what a lot of the people from edge of extinction are talking about in their in their now, very thankfully, existing exit is they're talking a lot about how, like, sometimes this is what Devon's told me I haven't been able to write this up. But Devin said to me, like sometimes because I asked him like. Think that edge of extinction is a premise is too big for survivor. I asked him that as, as a TV personality who knows what it's like to make TV is this just too big. And he wasn't so sure about that. He thinks that the reason oftentimes at the season felt confusing was because the gameplay confusing that the game play felt erratic that there was just kind of a Radic quality to the way that this game was was being played. This is very fascinating. Very fascinating to me. All right. Let's go to Melanie in Pittsburgh with a question. Hey, rob. This is Melanie from Pittsburgh. And my question is simply this before the episode started, which would you have thought would have been more unlikely Chris beats out Devon's for the million dollars. For Devon's beats out Wendy for the sweet sweet Sihamoni while they hear your thoughts. How about that moment from last night, where Jeff describes the, the war? They don't have that clip Paul. But he says, we've got this thing it's called the CO ward and see gives all hundred thousand dollars now for anybody who is not been following that closely SIA had always given a fourteen thousand dollar gift to a survivor player that in the seasons in which she had done it. Because that was like the maximum tax free contribution that somebody could make to another person without having do, that's the maximum, you could gift somebody. So it was always fourteen thousand dollars but boy, either SIA really loved Rick Devon's or see is doing really well right now but that got up to one hundred K. I mean this is the same. Dot dot Dun, Dun rate news. This is the same as the sprint fan. Favourite. This is now your the CEA fan favourite of the season. You're, you're playing to a vote of one this runner up money. That's second place. Yeah. Great ver the Devon's family. I think that they can relax a little bit, especially after Jeff put Rick on the spot in front of the country and asked him to field employment opportunities while his employers probably watch. Putting awkward spot. I mean it's like. I know you're married, but, like if women were out there who were who were interested. Are you? Are you fielding other other dating opportunities? What do you know? So great. That was one of my favorite moments at the whole night. So good. Danger. Buzek. Well, I'm sure a lot of people happy to see Devon's make that money. And I'm sure a lot of people also very unhappy to see that could Devon's a leap out of her. Very and we can all agree that we all love. Becker. Person. Yeah. Super no combat nation. Was amazing in person, and I feel like that Rick Evans really got beat up over these last couple of weeks as being the presumptive winner of the game. And that sucks. Everyone is like ob- so over this guy who so clearly winning and he's going to get like completely annihilated in the fire challenge by guy who will go onto play twelve to thirteen days of survivor is, is a fairly rod deal, but it becomes pretty tiny violin territory when you a account in the amount of screen time that he enjoyed and enjoyed it. He did and be, that's sweet sweet Siham money. So I'm not gonna spend a lot of time crying for Rick as much everybody's Cup of tea he was. So he was so nice when I really, really good for a while last night and was. He was he was really, really incredible. I, I met Becca also. And he's, he's very excited to come on the podcast and talk with us about his game. And I'm really looking forward to that. But in addition to Rick, Devon's winning the money and again, we all everybody made the same joke about Wendy was going to get the money with the chickens. Seal wasn't done today. Done done done SIA has tweeted this afternoon. You know this. No. Hey at survivor adapted. I'm giving you fifteen K one I'm, I'm letting you guests and letting you get okay? Okay. That's it. No. And then she explained if I tell you, what her reason is, then you'll know who it is. Wait, wait. It's the Joe thing. That could be a third of. But this is hey, at Aurora McCreary. I'm giving you just for making it through foster care. I love you keep going. And yes, you mentioned that and also had her hands on the Joe cutting his hair now for a woman that famously wears a wig around maybe she might have had an ulterior motive with Joe cutting. Yes. Yes. But she she did tweet. Hey, Jay angle Twenty-one? If you cut your hair off and donated to children's cancer wig making charity, I'll give you fifteen K. So, and he doubled down and said, I'll do it. But only if you put that fifteen K towards the charity, which is a really, really good guy to do from Joe for sure. Joe's a really, really nice guy, he's a really nice guy. So all great. They're all great. Yeah. Everyone's good. Everyone's good people. And there you go. So SIA is really wreaking havoc and these survivors finale. So I mean is giving away almost as much money as CBS sea of love survivor? I think I I imagine like you gotta think of the vast majority of SIA fans 'cause there's tons, probably don't know how much of a survivor nerds, she actually that she's like willing, donate, why does she listen to podcast. I don't know if you can just be a patriot. And that's. Hey, see you love. Survivor wenches, be patron. This should be our ten dollars a month. And you begin the Facebook group get C N the Facebook through. I think that it's chief, I tell her that, like you get early access to the live show ticket. That's your best bet. We'll. Music person it doesn't like podcasts if she feels like she would be like concede lumped it all. Sia. Yes, she would she would win the one she would have. She would have five. Darius Rucker hats. To cover up her her head which she could join the Facebook group under a false name, Allah, like the Facebook quivalent of like a hair wig on the maze, if she feels like you'd get too much heat beings, a burner grocer. All right. I think it's good. I did see. Just to talk about my night a little bit. I, I wanna know everything. I mean it wouldn't try to hurt, you know, one of the more pleasant finale experiences that I had I went out to CBS I got through security eventually and I got, I got set up and I got to my seat without to you could see me. I am Beck road jury to the extreme on the right side of the the bleachers. Fists like I forgot the center segment the upper right that somebody did get ice. Ice ice screen shot with overnight. In the back, but very, very fun show to be there in the room for. It really is thrill to be there in person for these things, and then we got set up and did the. The whole red carpet. Everybody was, you know, real nice. I got to talk to the great Riemann daily, I got to meet her in the flesh. I know you have a article with her as well up on HR dot com slash diverse. So I, I met ream I, I got the video with her and the interview with my interviews with the final six and she was everything that I could have hoped for Josh. She's, she's incredible, isn't it? There's just like there's something really magnetic about talking to remake can't you now really understand why we spent like an additional ten minutes passer. I one out interviewed just talking about TV like she sucks. You in just you wanna keep talking to her forever. I adore ream day and as much as I hope to never see the edge of extinction. Again, ream daily is the reason why I'm glad at. More so than I'm happy for Chris. And I am. I am happy for me that I got weekly ream daily and over Josh be happy that it happened. Yeah. And that it may happen. Again, first of all, I think that's would be nuts if they didn't include daily in a future, second chance or something like that God to include ream ream is very, very deserving of another. I feel like she will. She would very like she's got like that purple pants bad ass. Upside as, as far as being like a podcast. Staple in the future. She sounded like she was very game to play ball with you in the Robin. I hope she takes you up on it. I want to hear a lot of halter. We need to hear the deep dive and she told me, do you had no idea like snow way down? So. Okay. Oh, she talked about how she liked became like a chessmaster out that was one of the questions. I asked her is like how did you guys entertain yourselves and her initial response was entertain is a big word. The level of port of. I guess there's a lot of chess. I heard her tell you that she was like chessmaster. So I wanna know more about that. I want to know about the grand chess master that is remake Dale. Bet she gives five each player, Mike Sahal ski run gas money. Ron Clark came through on the red carpet. He was he was. Really, really? Nice also. And I had to do a lot of work with my with my video as uploading everything to Scott saint-pierre super fast internet. I have to say over at CBS in studio city for the press, and then I got out to the party and it wasn't super packed. Like it's been sometimes in the past. But, you know, everybody was very nice. All all of the players just about had nice things to say about the podcast. The, the family members were all like a very complimentary about the podcast. I got to see farm guy sixty nine. No, I I, I saw it. I saw Dale at the show and I got to say hi to him and I was talking to him for a little bit. And then very late in the night, I saw Kelly and she was really sweet. And I said Kelly, I got I talked to your dad tonight. And she said, I'm sorry. Tell me why. Everybody was really good is parents, I met rock and Victoria's mom, and they were very complimentary about the podcast. So I really really very fun to get out there and talk to, you know all of the fans that are that are out there as well. Yeah, there's a really fun nights. You know, if you're ever, if you're listening to this, in your ever lucky enough to get out there, you're, you're going to have a and I, I'm very envious among among the many reasons that I'm envious of, of your experience from last night is I'm sure that you got a lot of laughs with probably some random people. You'd never expected to see I would expect that there are a few of those and also just like there's a great network of people who are always at those events that are always oh. Oh, always such a delight to, to see. So I'm sure it was an amazing. Chris Underwood was he was in very good spirits, and he's a lot of fun. He was very complimentary about the podcast that we're going to hopefully talk to him as well and most most of the players expressed interest in wanting to talk about the season. So hope you guys are there's no one from this season. That I would not wanna hear you do a deep dive with. So that's, that's one of the things that's really exciting about the fact that everybody made it basically almost everybody made it today. Thirty five three hours every single time the summer baby. It's the summer out three hour Victorian. She wanted to ours. Various number. Yeah. Okay. Anything else from season, thirty eight related, I'm sure because it's such a it was such a heavy season. That I'm sure that there's just something that, that I'm not okay. Let me look here. Play voicemail for you. This is from Eric h has voice mail for you jog, Josh. All right. So with all the petitions online nowadays, how many signatures, do you think that edge of extinction replay would get without a chance to get back into the game? And speaking of game of thrones Chris came back into the game. Did he come back as the three eyed raven being very coy about his desire to win the game, claiming to have all of this information? And then knowing that he had to win the fire making challenge against Rick in dramatic fashion to end as the winner became the three hundred. A sand. Man. That's funny. The game of thrones petition by the way is into. I just don't even fiber fans have not taken a similar approach with some of these common grievances. I. Yeah, but, but I think that there is like, there's an element of people who are who are happy for Chris, and like mad at the situation, there, also people who I think are tickled, by the whole thing, then there are the people who are, like, you know, like just like insanely mad about it. All I think that there's there's division on this one, but I think in a bunch of like tiered direction, so I think it's harder to to assemble the masses whereas on game of thrones right now. It seems like either either you're winning or your dying. And there's not a not a ton of middle of middle ground. I will say and I'm not going to spoil game of thrones. Other than if you're, if you're even passing paying attention to anything game of thrones. Right now, you're probably wear that like the most recent episode featured, some sort of major controversial. Character moment that felt like it was a little a little jarring. Maybe felt to some people little bit unearned a little bit out of nowhere, and that belt similar on. Survivor, which one sitting better with you. Game of thrones. One sits. A little bit. Because I think in that case like you do at least have seven previous seasons of things you can point at like you can like, at least like loosely draw a line here, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to do a lot of that legwork ourselves, frankly, you rob are going to have to do a lot of that legwork and doing a lot of these podcasts, and drawing those noncanonical stories to the to the light of day. But I think the great thing about this season, if you just kind of like accept it lies, one of the great things about this season is it's going to be a remarkable historical eh. It's. I it's you're gonna ship it out to goes, it is going to turn into something rather rather interesting. So on that clinical level. I am not mad that this. And that's why this sits better for me than game of thrones. Because there will never be another game of thrones. There's no do over on game of thrones that we've invested. Nine years of our lives into game of thrones. Whereas this going to be a new survivor season in September. So even if this was the ultimate trainwreck this season, then we just start again in September, and it's a clean slate for survivor. I'm really excited for survivor to come back in September. Do you can we talk? Get it. One other question area wrote in and said, why can I only think that the giant mountain of pizza was the most apt metaphor for the season? Pizza's not supposed to look like that. Neither is. Also testing theory that even when pizzas bad. It's good. That's very Taylor Cotter wrote in to say. Thanks for the great coverage this season in a horrible future, where they bring back the edge of extinction is the best interest for your average player to quit post merge and just joined the jury, or is it always going to be in the best interest to just stick around? No matter what are, you better off to go to the edge of extinction. But how do you, you can't just like do you all just like kind of quit as a group like everyone just kind of agreed to quit and go to the edge of extinction, aren't even I don't even want to entertain it. I don't even want to think about the future of the edge of extinction is back done in one. I will live with this. I will live with survivor ethic stink tion as a as a singular, unique force of nature unicorn of a season. I can grow to appreciate it. Perhaps, if we ever see this twist again, I'm not going to be. Pleased. Okay. I'm going to be upset. All right. Let's talk about season thirty nine of survivor. And Josh, we finally got our first look at survivor island of idols. And I do think that a lot of people have. Oh, I link of idols. Oh, perfect more idols, but. Am I correct here that the name is a bit of a double entendre bid of a double time? Yes. Very very much. So I'm limited in what I I'm very limited in what I'm able to talk about yet. I'll obviously be able to talk about a ton more closer to the time. But, but yeah, the island of the idols is that's where Boston, Robin. Sandra live. And they are they are the survivor idols and they're out there. Okay. So we're freaking out about idols, and it's really these are the people that were did Boston, rob, no. You in any capacity prior to you meeting him at the island of idols, we met, once at at running up Reno, and I think I like vaguely vaguely knew who I was, but not like super well or anything. I remember I remember the first time there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I gotta say, what it was. It was such a trip to be standing across from him. And Sandra, both on an official survivor beach. I've been very, very lucky to see a lot of really cool things covering the show and that to stand next to him. And I had no idea. How tall they were twenty five feet tall. Something fan. Fan skies. Ashtrays ask let me just get this straight, so Boston. Rob, and Sandra are living on an island together. They, they out here. Live in some Bernard and rose type life. Yeah. No dog yet, has yet to manifest. But there are animals I wrote, I wrote a story, so he he's already tweeted about it. And I'm sure that he's going to talk about it a little bit in the BNB. But Mike bloom, the great Mike Blum was indeed out there on location with me was the two of us covering this season. And what a delight to watch Mike in that environment. And you'll hear some of that at some point in the future. And he and I had separate interviews with Boston. Rob, and Sandra individually, but we also he and I when we got there, we got to observe them, working on a shelter that they were trying to build and the shelter that they're they're talking about building is very staggering in scope and ambition and one wonders exactly if it will it will come to fruition the way that they sketched it out in talking to us. But they talked to both of us the four of us were talking at once and that interview is up at HR dot com slash survivor right now, if you haven't read it, yet, it's a, it's a really funny slice of life seen between rob and Sandra involving cease. Knicks are getting murdered involving chickens that are almost getting murdered rope swings that are being built, lots of action and adventure, that's happening. And if. That was just like the Vegas hint of what their contributions to the season. We'll be like I'm I'm pretty excited. I think I think it's a really, really funny idea. And I'm really, I'm really amped up for for thirty nine. I can't talk about the cast out all the cast has not been officially revealed. I can't talk about how much I love that cast on not able to say that. So we'll just have to we'll have to get into that few months from now, but I'm pretty high on, on thirty nine at least my hopes high that, that could be a really, really fun season. So I am too. I think it's gonna be really fun for the podcast. And I, I have a different vantage point on this, then a lot of the other survivor alumni, because I think of like, well, what's going to be fun to talk about? And to me, this seems like a really fun idea for you. Get to do Boston. Robin press. Every week, you get to do, Sandra impressions every week, I imagine, Russell hand cameos as well as his nightmare season. As the worst. Ever heard. Season to injury. It's I would've the I. I didn't even need a clue. I didn't even need a map or at all. God is on that giant statue. And I'm going to rip that giant be hat off. Yeah. Well, there is no giant be hat on the statute. And you wonder why the giant Russell stat? Stat that giant be hat. Okay. So, but I saw a lot of pushback today from survivor alumni, specifically of a lot of like how what has happened to my show? You're saying that now I mean. Yeah. So, you know, I I and it really depends on how plays but if, if the island of the idols is more or less like a sentient ghost island, which is, is my understanding of it, where rather than going there and pick a bamboo. And like dwell on the curse of this artifact for player that the new player has no emotional, tether to or connection to that we are going to see people interacting with two human beings that we survive, fans know very well. And I imagine that, that is not going to be quite at. I don't think that it's going to be quite the same. I don't think that it's going to be too far away from like an exile island. At least that's my hope, at least that's my hope. I don't think that it's going to be something that completely overshadows of really really terrific new player cast. So as long. As that's not the case. I'm really on board. And I like it. When survivor does something wims Ecole when they do when they do these things that aren't taking it to, to seriously. I'm at least on board on paper, like I was really excited about ghost island when I was out there, and I guess we saw how that went I like a lot of those people individually, but I didn't I didn't feel like really, really high about the cast like the way that he did about Dave versus Goliath, which I think, has one of the best cast in, in recent survivor memory. So it'd be a great thing if you had feelings about a cast in the way that you felt about David versus Goliath, married with a really whimsical seem. I feel like that would be a really nice setup for a good season of survivor. You feel like you're fever. Dream on ghost island was in any way, the inspiration for this theme. I would not. I, I cannot consumer tonight. How about that? We'll take it. I'm wondering that's going to be a lot of fun. And we get to the fall. Josh anything else you want to say that you can finally get into about season thirty nine the island of idols. No. I think I've said just about all that I can't other than I laughed so much on that trip I, I was dying. I, I was cracking up on that trip so much fun to be out there with Mike, he, and I have a lot of really funny stories to share he's going to have a lot of really, really great stories for, for parade on the podcast. Mike did some really stellar workout there that I just can't wait to see what he turns that into. And then there's a lot of people. I can't wait for everyone to meet very excited about that aspect this, and I'm very, I'm very, very, very, very, very excited about the return of the podcast in the fall. Yeah. Think that we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna have a very very very good season. I won this podcast that we're doing right now is so fun for me because. It was a year ago on this podcast. And you were here in person when we were talking through everything with ghost island in the tie and Dominic and Wendell, and what was it going to mean for the future? And then we've gotten to see all of that bear out in, in be manifested in different ways in this season. And then you had some clips talking about, oh, the next season of survivor, so every day versus Goliath. And I wanna introduce you to a couple of people from that season that you had an article about Christian, and Johnny nitro, Johnny moonville. And then the Chinese, so it's. One, one foot in the past one foot in the future. I'm very excited about the future as obviously, like I did not care for the season very. Three. Made that made that pretty clear, but I I am I'm still I'm still excited about survivor. And I am in that unique point where like I at least know a little bit of what's going to happen in the next season. Right. Like I know a season premieres worth of information, and you're here. I cannot wait. Excited to watch it very excited to tell you what I can't tell you about it. When I can tell you. Okay. And then we still have some more business to do here today, because Josh and I are going to give you the winner of the episode of thirteen one off and set the stage for our final wand off of the season coming up next week. So we are only gonna play one song here today, and it's gonna be the song that is from the winner of last week's one-off. So if you are super one-off verse than I think this should be that painful for you. Yeah. But you could leave. Or you could say, okay. Could they replace Boston? Rob's giant be hat with a giant. I should've thought about them. You know, I didn't get the heads up in advance, otherwise, I would have had a gigantic wombat commission or saying it gonna throw the wiggles wombats hat and the fire dot com. But if anybody if anybody wants to make the fan of, of you and me flanking, the mouth of jungle, as giant statues with wombat hats on fleas. Go go right ahead. Please make sure that you add some Wanda herself in there and Casey case in with a cameo. Okay. All right. In third place this week. This was an upset to me because I thought that this was going to be the winner this week. Bob with two Bs with thirteen don't stop Ming man. Well, what a journey what to? He's one said, okay. Bob bob's. Already there. All right. Yeah. In second place with seventeen percent of the vote. It was Tyler and Meghan with Rick. Are you good? Or are you bad? Do we have an answer to the question yet? Look, vincent. Who you asked depends on who you ask. Rick Devon's was. He did he had a lot a lot going on. Funny line with you. Or is like if I'm not in charge of the editing. And if I was a law. I'm happy with the editor to even more. Bad. Just like the night, king arms outstretched at hard home. Bring it on, so okay, you know how that worked out the winner of the episode number thirteen Wanda off, and it was a little bit of a run away with thirty nine per cent of the vote. It was Michael and Kimberly, welcome to the final one off for fixer. Upper, what's the here can't you root for the Kool aid, man? The deadbug way he walks talks or the weird. Breaking news music. No, though, we know he's not the plane me snags, the air Johnson same model. Three. Really, really, really great Michael and Kimberly will play us out on the end of this. And Josh, that's going to do it for our edge of extinction, proper coverage. I hope to start getting into some post game interviews next week. I'm really excited to hear that I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Do you have anything officially line? Lined up. You know, sometimes that I ended up getting one real quick, while people are in town, like I did with Christian last year. And no, I think I'm gonna give everybody a chance to sort of X. Hey. Yeah. Myself, especially just like take take it easy for a couple of days and then start to gear back up. But that sounds nice man. That sounds, so we still got a very busy podcast schedule. Of course, we still have one more actually I probably I said this was this weekend survivor with a very, very special guest on this week in survivor coming up going to record that on Monday night and have about four. You guys on Tuesday. Don't forget the being be is going to be back this week with Mike and Liana together for the first time in a couple of weeks with special guests, Eric Stein, we will have the UAE Chris one with David Bloomberg just Louis, which should be a very interesting conversation, perhaps the show, so mad. He thought I was mad. I, I read. I'm disappointed disappointed dad as I, I saw one remark for seventy. But I, I, I think David. Okay. That's good, destination listening. Yeah, that's good. So we will be on the lookout for that. Okay. Jordan keilor's on this week in survivor. Robin kiva Nita podcast coming up this weekend, we're going to get into tackling subjects that are maybe two beloved. We'll tell you what's wrong with all your favorite things coming off away from loss. I don't know if lost qualifies to beloved anymore. Good. Yeah. So an appropriate amount being look out for that. Plus news, af will be back again on Tuesday of this week beyond the lookout for that. And then the amazing race coverage also returns on Thursday after a one week yacht us for the amazing race because of the three hour survivor episodes, and then next week, you and I are getting back together. Yes, I, we've got we've got some business to final one-off is coming. And so we are recording that what likely Wednesday of next week. That's what it's great now. Yeah. We'll see what happens with game of thrones. But we're okay. Wednesday. I, I can imagine a world in which we're doing this on Thursday, next. Okay. But let's just set a hard deadline. Okay. So we will give the wand, off combatants until midnight. I'm band midnight Pacific time to get your. Final wand offs in for the which day tonight on the Pacific win Tuesday on Tuesdays Tuesday Tuesday. I don't think. Midnight Pacific Tuesday night coming up of this next week, we have a stack field it's gonna be Bob with bees. Alex, g DJ Lebel client and Corey be together. Yes. Amazing maisy. Yes. Hyler Jacob Jones. Yes. Adam be. Yes. Robin, from Rochester Graham from the bay, and Michael and Kimberly. Those are your final one off combatants. It's a real edge of extinction field. It anyone could win. Anyone could could come in, you know, for all we know shut up. Tim is going. The action and get voted in with a really killer song. And he's just gonna just gonna blow us all way are we accepting any honorable mentions about the season? If you're if you've got nothing to do over the next few days, and you just want to record a wand off. And if it's if it's hilarious. And if we've got time, I would be I would pose to, to blaming it on the air. It's not you're not in contention for the jacket, but I, I would hand out one additional hat this season. How about that just dealer's choice, a wigwams choice? Okay. So you're saying that there would be two votes in the final the final ballot. Yeah. You can win you can win the, the edge of extinction losers. Brian not to go. Loser of you. Can you can? I wasn't even in the final one I felt like a loser. You can compete for a hat and you can, you can pick either the standard blue or the or the or the trucker hat, whichever you'd prison. Not a little be had. Yeah. Yeah. So we can do an honorable mention bracket compete as well. So jam packed first week of the survivor off-season coming up. So very excited about all of that, of course, to the final one-off entrance two minutes, and thirty seconds is the limit for the final one off. So for the final one offers for the honorable mentions. Keep it to the minute would be a minute is perfect. That's a real good, okay? All right. Josh wig, ler. Of course, my co collaborator on the evidence of strategy and there is no better time to dive into the pollution strategy than the off-season. And if you're wondering how we got here to survivor thirty nine the island of idols, take a look. Back at the trajectory that survivor took over its first thirty seasons with the three hundred hours that are the evolution of strategy. It is a crowd, pleaser, many people are on their third. Fourth fifth time listening through many people listen to the evolution of strategy and then go on to win survivor. You know. Yeah, this is this is happened before. I mean, this is not to Pat ourselves on the back at all. But let's do let's do it. So. All right. Chris Underwood, okay. An end of this winter to the list, Antic Wilson. Okay pressure. Adam Adam Klein is. Strategy at the very least superfan RHA p pretty. Sure, yes. See to the forty nine laws of survivor that I did with Steven fish back. Yeah. I mean, people who have had great success on survivor at the very least evolution strategy. People's Zeke David Wright, plenty of people Gabby was a T O S ban Christian as a TA. Oh, don't forget about laurel survivor finalists laurel. Of course. So, you know, may maybe there's a correlation. Yeah, that's in causation, but perhaps a correlation. Okay. Laurel asian. Okay. Yeah, I hear that's bad ever. Should've strategy dot com. Of course the first chapter all about. Survivor Borneo is completely free to get you started on the Lucien of strategy. All right. Of course, couldn't do all this without the help of our patrons. Rob has a website dot com slash patriot. Stay in the know about everything that we have going on. Plus we've got links to all of the international survivor. That's coming up. Shannon gates and Mike, Bloomberg owing to have these survivors, South Africa covered. And if you've never we've never watched an international season of survivor than I highly recommend checking out survivors South Africa, and it's going to be completely different experience, and may not be as crazy as our modern survivor, and that might be just what you're looking for. So give give it a shot survivor, South Africa is starting now in survivor Australia is going to be premiering later on right later on this summer. And of course, big brother is just. Around the corner as well. But that's got those links available in our patron group. Rob has website that com slash patron for all of that, Josh, and then the big game of thrones finale is coming up on Sunday nights even fish back. And I'll be live after the finale, you will be hard at work over at T H, R dot com slash. At some point after you dig out of the rubble, Allah, aria stark than you, and I will get together for game of thrones. Finale feedback show. Sometime next week as well. Yeah. Going on. It's typically the time of year, I like to go off on vacation. I will be in the west of C trenches for the foreseeable future. And. I'm I'm, I'm it is what it is what it is. But I'm I'm excited for the game thrones finale. And we'll, we'll parse through that all on a push recaps next week. And I'm very excited for what sounds like the makings of a fairly epic final wand off. So we got we got good stuff plan for next week. We're gonna have a fun time. All right. Thank you, all so much for listening to all of our coverage over the season. It was a crazy season. It was a crazy bunch of podcasts. But I think that we did have a lot of fun along the way. In this was a wild and crazy outcome. And I just hope that none of this is making you that mad because it's still just a TV show. It's just a TV show. Yeah. Okay. It's a TV show. That push the reset button, every six months, so hanging, the best part about survivor, and that's that's, that's the reason why it is. It is still on the air. All these years. It's the core premise and the core. Pillars of survivor are so strong. And the concept is so great. And even even like the crappiest seasons, there's stuff that you can enjoy. And I feel like the, you know, the bottom tiered seasons for me like there's I could hold them in one hand, you know, I can, it's very grip -able the vast swath of stuff that I love about survivor. I couldn't even give it a full bodied embrace. There's just so much. So I'm pretty pumped about where we might be going next, even if less bumped about this particular season. But I'm excited to hit resentenced what the future will. All right. So thank you so much, Josh Winkler follow at round Howard on Twitter. I am at rob sister. Nino take care, buddy. Have a good one by the issue. Here. Why can't you root for the Kool aid, man? Is it the dad bought way he walks or talked or the weird? Breaking news music, he ad libs, no, though, we know he's not the plane me. Snags ear Johnston. The same. Overlook. That tree. So. Rick Scott flaws noted him out distort ya dig survivor? Bit of this, or certain rickets. Reston us something we can. Knows the truth of this. Becky best actual death. Tell me dear. Way, both raw or his analogies long or openly. Jesting. Or how? Technically off. The way that he is more of the others. He's gone. Rick. Falls. Just. Oh. Vertu. We're only. Things with. Gives. Russell bed. Bush. Is still Assila show that we can do. Just covering this theory by. This post finale edition of the wiggle room is sponsored by our friends over at truecar every car comes with sheriff stories that thing you bumper. When you nervously picked up a first date that luxury package, you got after a big promotion or the mild, you save riding your bike all summer long. 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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 4 Recap

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Survivor Know-It-Alls | Edge of Extinction Episode 4 Recap

"Smart guys. Break it down. Well, actually, they didn't really win the game at all Zavod. This ain't no holiday. This is a survivor know it alls. Right. Yes. That is a right survivor know at all czar back after episode number four of survivor edge. They stay Shane and give us the report Stephen fish back at eleven. Total freeze. I I'm so disappointed. I'm really really upset with. With this whole this whole, Rick Devon thing. I thought he was gonna win. I thought RIC. Yes, Rick Devon's is out our top story at this hour. Rick Devon's down. I was supposed to do it. I was supposed to stick. I wasn't. Sure. I wasn't sure. I know you don't like improv you've said for for many for many years. I'm just not good at it. I mean, I know that you think if you practice something makes you instantaneously good at it. Practice that would be good at it. I mean, you wonder say like how practice works, right? Yeah. Something over and over again until you learn from repeated failures to quit frying. All right. We've got a lot to discuss or some things to discuss here. Hashtag are HP as we discussed a lot not a ton as we discussed survivor at the soap and unusual. Swap at that. As we go from two tribes to three tribes. And we lose Rick here tonight in this fourth episode, hashtag JP get your questions in got a lot of stuff. Coming up on the podcast, Carl Boudreau. It will be my guest on the podcast on Thursday, very excited to talk to Brett Lebel on our feedback show on Saturday. And then Mary quick Caskey will join me on this weekend survivor, and of course, into the wiggle room with just Kalisa sitting in for Josh Wigley. So a jam packed week podcast coming up for. For me, Steven how are you? I said, I'm devastated, rob. I'm really I'm really upset like Devon's is. Let's be honest. This cast is not David versus Goliath levels. And Devon's was one of the standout David versus Wentworth. Exactly. He has been a lot of fun. I really like his confessionals even a lot of humor to every one of his interactions. He just fun to watch. And I was a little bit heartbroken to see him. I mean granted he's he's not out of the game. But I don't have high hopes for him on the Keith gonna farewell on yield extinction island. I think we'll be saying, farewell. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I really think that we're gonna see a lot of the same things over and over again because we keep getting people from the former minute tribe on extinction island, the beginning of next week's episode is going to be a replay of the start of this episode where it's going to be Riemann Keith. And like. Rick we doing here get out. We don't want you here out, and it's gonna be out hazing of the new people on the extinction island. So mean place, I think it's really fun. It's basically what actually happens when people are voted out of the game. Except now we get to watch it. You know, it's like I I wrote about this in my blog a little bit. You know, one of the main reasons to not voted you will everyone wants to make the merge because it's it's the sign that you have done acceptably well survivor, and you can tell your friends about, you know, being on the show and not embarrassed. Other big. Two. Yeah, you're dateable. The other big reason is that you don't have to live with the other pre merge contestants because the people who are voted out premiums are typically, you know, some of them are knowing people, you know. And and. To see all these people forced to live together and to heal. It's kind of cool. I really like it. Okay. We'll see how it goes as we've regress. Just a technical note. The Robin has a website site is down right now. Apparently, maybe it's the same thing. That's not down Facebook and Instagram all the big sites today are a little off. So not sure exactly what happened. But hopefully, we get that back up to speed soon. Of course, if you're with us live YouTube periscope or twitch to see a live episode of the survivor know it alls. Okay. Stephen, I guess let's tribal council really not a lot of intrigue going into the tropics. I mean survivor. This is a case of sort of like like, damned if they do damned if they don't the survivor does all that they can to have Eitel's and tribe swaps to keep these tribal councils unpredictable. And to me this was like a classic like episode five episode six of season with no swap where a tribe is gone to like four or five tribal councils, and it's down to like the core alliance of five that was in the tribe, and if the vote off one of their own, and it's a big love fest. Yeah, we're not here for the love fest. I was genuinely surprised that. It was Devon's. I really thought Lauren was going home. I was almost like annoyed at how obvious it was that Lauren was going home. They set up her her sickness. It was it was you know, it just it just seems to me like kind of both clearly about to happen and also clearly the wrong strategic move. And so I was the surprise of seeing Devon's go the. I wasn't happy about it. But it made it better television for why do you feel like that's the wrong strategic moves to get rid of Lauren. I would be more. If I were in war dogs position. I would be much more nervous about someone like Devon's at a swap than someone like Lauren at a swap, Devon's is incredibly charming. He's incredibly magnetic obviously knows the game. Really? Well, he's very strategic and so I would be I would be concerned with him as kind of a smooth operator. I tweeted this. But I actually was really surprised that David wasn't target to me. He is the obvious target here. Yeah. For whatever reason that when worth and David have not had this all out war. And even though David has done a lot of maneuvering behind the scenes. He's done a good enough job to not let Kelly ever get wind of it. Because this would have been a prima spot for Kelly to knock David out. We saw David had these opportunities to go after Kelly these last couple of episodes. This was the week that Kelly really had the opportunity to put David's head on a silver platter. And it doesn't seem like that. That is even something that she was thinking about I wanted to back to Devon's and where he alternately went wrong. And you know, obviously, you know, tough draw here with the swap being though, low person on the totem pole with five people from his original group. But in the same way, I got on Chris last week of that. I thought that Chris missed the opportunity to take out Wentworth in the second episode. Devon's in David Wright had the opportunity not only to take Kelly in the second episode. But also in the third of the season. And I really feel like that had they taken the shot on Kelly Wentworth last week that this would have been a different story for Devon's tonight. Yeah, that's a really really good point. They they sort of consistently whittled away the people who were working with them or were willing to work with them. You know, Chris Chris last week keep keep the week before. And I agree with you. I think in the moment, it seemed like an acceptable decision. Although it kind of kind of the Chris thing was a little bit suspect. But but I agree. That's that's why you have to be a little bit greedy with your the people who are going to work with you. Because then you're otherwise, you're in a position where like like this because I think that you can really argue both sides for David Wright, whether or not it's a good idea to get rid of Kelly Wentworth, but for the first time players. I think it's very cut and dry that it would have behooved them to get rid of Kelly Wentworth in the case of Chris back in the second episode, and ultimately in the case of Devon's. And even if David writes as I have cold feet, I don't want to do it. This got too messy now that Chris ended up saying something to award that for for Devon's. I I really think it did. It would have helped him to get rid of Wentworth this past week. Even if they ended up with okay now now war dog Lauren are going to be mad. But they still went ahead Chris in their group. And then obviously, you don't know how the swap is going to go but just to get a returning players out of the game. I think is going to be good call for any of these first time players. Do you think there's any part of them that thinks, you know, we've got we're way down in the numbers we need to keep. Now, we need to keep the returning players because they may be have inroads to the other returning players. Maybe we can leverage whatever relationships that David and Kelly have with Aubrey in Joe in order to. To find new alliances at a potential merger. I don't know. I think that that's something that does not really ever work. I think that's something that people try to say, I mean, I think that will touch on this when we talk about the tribe. Swap. But I I went back and listen to a lot of the interviews that I did with these returning players on the podcast. And I remember like Aubrey talking about the JT was trying to say that as a reason. Hey, work with me when they were on a tribe. Swap together, we're JT was the only person left from his original tribe. I think it was Nuku when he was swapped with all people from that from on. Another example Gavin could have pointed to when Jeff asked if there was any sort of historical precedent for this type of swap and for Aubrey. I think that she actually was she said that that was interesting to her. So I guess I guess couldn't couldn't hurt. I think it helps. I mean, I mean, I think there's a lot of times when tribes come together. And you know, you see these kind of hodgepodge alliances that are mix of original tribe, and then sort of longstanding relationships, I maybe you're right that it's not so much relationships from outside of the game. Although Spencer entire show in Cambodia certainly had a relationship for outside of the game. That kind of drove I mean, I I don't think it's crazy to think that Kelly Joe would would want to reconnect they were allies once before. Maybe there's something there. But I don't think there's enough air in that. Okay. We gotta keep Kelly Wentworth around or we're going to get picked off and then Kelly Wentworth can beg for our supper from from Joe when we get to the merge, I dunno though. But if you're if you're you're them, and you're now down three or four people against the nine person try steer into. It's even we're intentional Metsing territory. It's nice in theory. And it probably is pretty good in practice. But when you're actually living know, it's scary. We're going to join up with this group. There's just a few of us. It does always seem to work out. But like when you're when you're there, and you're there's three of you, and they're six of them or whatever obviously projecting. Yeah. You think like, we're no. Speaking of intentional thing. This group much like Denise Stapley was back in survivor Philippines. This group Safar four for four on tribal councils they've been to every single one this group. Well, we haven't seen the the real internal divisions here. Like, we did with the original thing where you had, you know, our c- in scoop in really on the outs with that group. At the time. We thought it was wrong for them to turn on scoop. And but looking back and seems like maybe not a bad idea. That was that was a different group. Metsing was the Malcolm in Denise group. That was dang. I'm sorry. I guess I'm saying that like we haven't seen the rival the riffs like we did with tending. That was my point. Yes, Joe and Aubrey who are on the outside a little bit. But ten dang. You know, the big tribe that imploded fell seemed like a tribe that needed to work through some of its issues in a way that I don't necessarily feel for. What are called com? So if this tribe, if this group goes to another tribal council less sue goes to another Trump, it's David Reich getting voted out next week's even I don't think so. Here's a well. Let me ask you. Let me sorry. I don't mean to ask you answer question. The question. Are you surprised that did you think there's any chance they would turn on war, doc? Well, I did think that that's the classic. You know, what am I favor? It's the, hey, why don't we just vote out the swing vote. That's a that's a classic. That's a classic move. And I was like oh war dog is overplaying. This big time when I was like did war. Doug, just asks for fifteen twenty minutes of war dog time to think this over. That's a that's a really really bad move. Right. Right. Did you invent this? I are you the first person to do that who can who remember that? What's are you allowed to call your own moves class? I'm here to call your moves classic. Let me do that. Look. It's in that. What I like to think about in the gave us the -vivor. It's like it doesn't mean that to be a or b like sometimes you can order off the menu. And when you have the choice between two people and somebody is like what if this guy this guy, he's given us reason? But I think that war dog is so in with Wentworth at this point. I think that I don't know how much it was in doubt. I think you, but you are not I've been saying for a while that war dog is a strong strategic player. Have you come around last week? You were you were contesting that. Well, what are you seeing that makes him such a strong strategic player? I'm saying that every one of the past three votes has been almost like entirely decided by where it hasn't been vote by consensus that all but didn't you say that he made a terrible move last week to vote out, Chris and so much. So that you said it wasn't even Chris's fault that he got voted out because war dog made such a good move. I said I totally see the rationale because I trust dog. Like, this was a fine tonight. I mean, you know, he's big tighter with Lauren. But I don't know why it was like such a better move for war dog than it was a better move for Lauren. I think the fact that or isn't with everybody speaks to him. You know, the fact that people they aren't turning on him. Like, you've got these two groups they could just both come together and say, hey, why don't we about this guy, but he has really put himself in. He's an asset in the challenges. I mean, he's the probably the strongest person in this group after they voted out, Chris. So unless they're going to really go all in for who cares if we win anymore challenges be tough to lose war dog. Why the war dog? Hey, man. There's no hate. It's more skepticism. I probably skepticism because you know, I mean, I didn't really I thought that he was in a good position. But I thought that he overplayed his hand to some degree. But. And I thought it really could have gone. I thought it was going to go sideways for him. It ultimately didn't. But just because it didn't doesn't mean that all my God. What a great job. But it wasn't also what a bad job was fine. Right. Yeah. But I'm very worried about David right here. And I'm wondering we didn't see anybody find the less sue idol feel like that David Wright, even though he assumed Kelly Wentworth has it. He needs to get to step in on find that idol real quick. Yeah. I agree. I think that that group does go to tribal council. He seems like the most of the person to vote out. Yeah. Yeah. On the other hand if your dog, well, I guess you're thinking merged decently soon. Right. How many I don't know it's tough to tribals to tribals. Yeah. So if you're war dog in your would you vote out David there because then you know, that you're getting voted out next. If they go to the trouble council in episode five. Yeah. Five and six if you're saying to more travel, probably five and six is. So I mean. I mean, if you have a choice, what are you gonna what I mean? What are you gonna do with David and to to tie, you know? So I think you have no the choice other than to vote out David at this next tribal council, and then yeah. It may well be him next door. It may be you know, maybe he feels like he's tight enough with Kelly that maybe he might be able to get her to knock out Lauren. I wanna actually talk about David's vote real quick. We David talk tonight about in his pitch toward about. Hey, my brand is loyalty he ends up voting with Devon's. I think they told Rick that he was going to be the person who's gonna go home tonight. I think that I mean Jeff's opening question to him was Rick talking about how this may be his last tribal council. I think he was not blindsided. I think he sort of a thought this was probably a likelihood David Wright, though, does not end up voting out. Devon's. What do you think of that? I did not have that read. I was legitimately. I mean, David looked legitimately surprised upset. It wasn't like SIA. I'm really know that she's worried about Wendy. I he looked. He looked really he looked legitimately upset. I thought so I was I was I thought that it was it was genuine had totally different rate. I thought that you know, they were wouldn't make sense for him to. I mean, I guess he did promise Ricky wasn't going to vote. No. I think it makes total sense because Dave he's really trying to hey, my brand is loyalty, I'm loyal to Rick. And if he's going down, I can't vote against my friend. He's almost thickening page out of big Wendy's book of like, you can't you guys can vote out Rick. But I have to I'm proving to people not a sneaky guy. I am a loyal person. But we're like wasn't he among the people who say like crazy decision that was for Wendy and episode one? I don't think he's like learning his strategy from Wendy, obviously, he's not learning strategy from Wendy. But I think that he's really trying to use it as a point to reinforce my brand is loyalty, look how loyal person I am against. Maybe the perception that people think he's kind of shifty guy. No, I get that idea. And I certainly understand why he said it about himself and he does have right the boat. He's when he put it he played the idol for Jessica, he's got the the resume toback it up. But I that was not my read. I thought he was genuinely surprised I would actually be somewhat surprised if he knowing Rick was going home still voted against Lauren because like what a senseless way to antagonist Lauren. I want to see in the secret scene or anything. We find out after the fact about that to see what David actual thoughts on it. Now, I do have to. Point something out, David, right? This is the most incredible tribal council. He's ever been to fact that this is not the most incredible. David Wright has ever been to -absolutely not come on come on. Stop it everybody. It was incredible. He was I believe incredible was the word he used David Wright went to tribal council that was five five split. Let's check in check in verify this. I'm pretty sure a special. Check my notes. Maybe he just means emotionally. You know? Maybe he doesn't mean. I don't think he was thinking the rock idols. We're gonna come fly. I think he said, this is the most emotional ending credible. Wow. Yeah. I think three of top of my head that are probably more incredible from versus gen-x. So nam in the chats is incredibly boring. Yeah. Not every tribals can be winners. But there were some other big things to talk about. Let's start at the swap Stephen super interesting in terms of the way that we have this comet try with a full contingent of nine players gets broken up into a one tribe completely of former comma and another try before comma, plus big, Wendy and the chickens at Monu. Yeah. Really couldn't big Wendy. I don't I don't want to necessarily got lucky because I don't I don't see why anyone would vote her out at this point. I mean, obviously when she's actively sabotaging their food supply. That's not great. But it definitely doesn't seem like you would waste of no offense to big Wendy that you would spend your vote on on on her. How so so if this group went to maneuver went to travel, you'll be a waste to take out Wendy. I don't think I do not think that they would vote her out. I mean, you know. You know, what I say about this finish? Okay. I just think that. Like we were talking about sending this. When groups don't go to tribal council. They you spent so long in your head plotting and thinking of all the big moves you wanna pull off and all the blindsides your alliances like Wendy is not part of that calculation at all for them. And it's not like she's some super threat from the minute drive that they have to get rid of. I think that they're just gonna be like whatever like let's pull her into our schemes and try to make her a passive participant in our games. Stephen. You are exactly where the conventional wisdom is on this that hey bit Wendy. She's not a threat don't vote her out. And because of that because she's doing everything wrong windy here. Self has complete confidence. And everything I'm doing is working. It's it's all working for me that the thing about survivor now is that everybody sees this person who's screwing up and not a threat. Anybody and saying, hey, it's a waste of haute to get rid of that person. And guess what big Wendy is going to the final three somebody win the fire Megan challenge, and they are taking her and that's going to be a spot in the final three. That's not you because you left big Wendy in the game the whole time so come around one hundred eighty degrees. And you've oh big Wendy out of the game because she is a huge threat because she is a pawn on this chess Pearl board, and what happens to the Pons that day are a huge threat. Happened to the pilot area. That was my no, I totally agree with you. I mean, especially if you're a big player someone like that is taking is taking up your spot. I mean that was sort of our thinking with Abby like she never getting voted out. She's never she gets to more votes. If she gets two more weeks on this show pushes in the final three. Oh, yeah. No. I agree. It or like four or five and then at that point we have to voter vote around at this point. But I definitely think she's going she's going deep, but I agree with you like you wanna get that person out now. And I think that would be a mistake for the New Tribes to not vote her out. I don't think she she's in a very good spot because she's in sort of like this Shambo spot where that she's the one person Shimon a lot of ways that she's the one person she hates her old tribe. She's like, hey, I'll vote against them. I hate those guys and she's given up all of the information. So now, it's super tempting to keep big Wendy around. And let me just say big Wendy's incredible television that I'm not saying that I have any sort of disdain for big Wendy. I want her voted out. But I'm saying it's a mistake to not vote big Wendy out because she is going to be a thorn in people sides for the entire season as long as they keep her around in the game. And also. Hello big, Wendy and the chickens. It's the storyline that my children are the most invested in the history of following survivor over the last year that they could comprehend that survivor is a thing. Yeah. No. I agree. I totally agree. She's she's great TV. She's super fun to watch. She's basically, I mean her game is I have nothing left to lose anything I want, and you know, I'm already assuming I'm going to give voted out, and therefore I will just do anything, and you know. She's not going to give it really is. It really is a great strategy. I mean, this is sort of Richard hatch his idea and all stars of like, I'm such a big target at like, my strategy will be to have no strategy. I I think Wendy's actually going whole off what has tried to do. I think you're putting too fine of a point on what he was trying to do there. That's those were his confessionals. I'd you know. Yeah. All right. I don't like hatchet war. You got some some. I just you know. Anybody could listen to the strategy chapter to get my full breakdown on everything going on there, Stephen. But I I wanna talk about Ron Clark and boy run Clark might be the most fun person to watch on this whole season. Yeah. He's fun. I mean that scene was really really fun. He's such a gamer really, I love Ron Clark, and how fun with that whole thing that whole sequence tonight where then, you know, Joe we have get through the whole setup from Joe Alam new Joe he's new Joe planet different game. And he's gonna make these relationships with people and he's talking to rhyme with all unloving, Ron Clark. But I his poker face probably could use some work because he kind of like a stink face on the whole time was stocking. But then, but then we cut to Ron telling us that like that Joe totally was buying. What I had what I was saying and twenty minutes ago, I told Julia go through Joe's bag, and then we get the genius style. Flashback Q the extreme ways. Stephen. Yeah. Second flashback I gave ever done last season. They did one with Dan finding his first idol this was much better. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure that was cool too, though when they were all looking dams like, but actually I've already got it. But this was so great because you know, you're like you said they set up a totally different narrative set up this narrative of like Joe is creating alliance new player. He's going to have this new ally. And then we're going to get Ron thoughts about what he really thinks. Joe? And then the whole thing is a sham. The whole thing is a fraud. Really was great. Yeah. So that's gonna be very. Fun to watch. Do you think is Joe anglin going to make the merge, Steven? Oh, yeah. Joe is definitely making tribal council. Exactly. I don't think we'll go to travel council before the marriage. Yeah. Well, here's what things are going to be you know, we can sort of like try to predict how this is going to next week one week from tonight double episode coming up double episode coming up, and so my sort of conventional wisdom says episode five could be cut and dry. I our might be might be a snooze earlier. Yeah. Maybe maybe they're saying like, okay. Well, the Devon's tribal was was was not super exciting. And then maybe we have another boring tribal council then but it ended in a double episode. Maybe let's just you know, sorta like burn through this one to get to the second hour, which might be might be something. Yeah. I probably right. You're probably right. So I mean, I guess it could be maybe you know, to snooze IRS. Let us get. Let's get to the merge as quick as we can. But. Double episode coming up next week. So we'll see we'll see how it's going to break down. Yeah. We will. Well, we'll see it next week. We'll see how it's going to break down next week. We'll see it anything else. You wanna talk about from the bring into these questions. What do you feel about education? Rob are you Gordon Holmes was saying we have two segments on edge of extinction. But we don't get to hear what Gavin Julie. Julia etcetera etcetera feel what what's what's your take on this whole breakout about the wire we not getting more confessionals for players in the in the game. Would you rather have less edge of extinction and more confessionals or or the opposite? I mean, I would rather have I would like to have the best stuff. So if we have like amazing confessionals, you're damn right? I wanna see him. I wanna see all. All of the great confessionals. But if it's a sort of like, you know, run of the mill confessionals. If I could be on being old man on a soapbox back in my day. I don't think the survivors like like counted confessionals of like like a baseball card like did you see I only had two confessionals this week. I think that people are getting too granular with this. Did you have a good experience? Are you? Are you having fun on to get voted out? Okay. Just let's this is a journey like done. Don't be like so nitpicking the confessional count every week. I don't know. I think if you're on. I mean, listen, I agree with you. I do not care if the producers don't think someone I need to see someone's confessional. I'm good. I trust them. I just on this. This is literally their job if you're a player, and you're not on the TV at all. And you have your viewing party, and you've invite all your friends, and you're like. I think that's me. And I get it. If like in the case of like, you know, and I talked about this with Allison last season where there were votes that she was involved in. And she felt like that they did not show her side of the story. But for people that aren't going to Trump council. What are you gonna do? It's forty two minutes show. It would be a worse show to just like here's a million confessionals of south show. Is that you hope they're giving you the best stuff and way, these players are more. It's been a very it's been a weird season the same people have gone to tribal council four times in a row. That's that's that's what it is. It's not like that. Like both tribes going to travel council. We're only hearing from certain people this. They're a half the cast hasn't hasn't had to go to tribal council yet. Yeah. And we've got enough we know sort of sort of where they all are and you have the edge of extinction. And then on top of that you have these four returning players. And why are these why did survivor pick these players to be returnees that in the case of many of them? This is their second third time out there. They're good at giving confessionals they know what the producers want. So when players come back to survivor there. They've been they've been through this. It's day nine ten. This is only players in their second and third interview. Maybe they're not they're not as sanctum as punchy as some of these returning players. So. I don't like to get into who. How many confessionals personnel professionals this person have by the way, I thought David a really good confessional giver in his first season. But this isn't he stellar? He's so good. This will he's good. He's good. He's good at because he's gone through what he's watched the whole season back. Like, okay. This is what I have to you know. There's a, you know being comfortable in front of the camera. There's a lot of factors. I think though like in terms of his clarity. I don't know. He he's like all time. I didn't I really liked him in the first season. But I I think he now may have like transcended to one of the oh, no known as Cochran level. Great can obviously obviously not. I mean, he's got he's got a she's got to be the king. Let's go back to David Wright. Stephen. What is it that David Wright is doing that? He's he's so funny. He's so wise funny. He's just like, very thoughtful. He's very clear. He's not even being particularly funny. Right. Would you say he's super funny? I wouldn't say necessarily he doesn't have a lot of like ha-had jokes in his confessionals. Yeah. He's very he's super descriptive about the game. He's one of the reasons why he's growing on the podcast where he really good at describing the game. But he also has a lot of emotional generosity. He's clearly able to see what other people are doing. He's able to articulate his own strategies. And why he may or may not pursue them as great. Okay. All right. We are going to get to your questions here tonight live with Steve respect by the where where are you right now? York in New York. Sorry about the poor quality I need to improve the setup here. Yeah. You're you're fine. I think that people were probably like, hey Stevens at a new location. I wonder where he is I've been here before. This unit the room this way when used to guess from there. Oh, you're in the desk turned around. I've turned around the desk. Right. All right. Very observant. All right. John John wants to know. Hutt stephen. We're that was a tease we're gonna get. We're gonna get to the questions. You're racing through. I need to take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this episode of the survivor know, it alls and those are friends at a s the auto insurance specialists, their brand new sponsor to the podcast and know, it alls is a perfect setting for them because that you can be a lot smarter about your car insurance with a I s because what they do is. They make sure that you are getting the best rate on your auto insurance. And so they have a lot of different ways that you can do it either by phone or on their website. You just put in all your information. 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Call one eight hundred seven seven seven four eight s or go to a s insurance dot com slash rob. It's the easiest thing you're gonna do today. That's at a s insurance dot com. They're the auto insurance specialists, and they've got the smart, quote technology to shop the rates of dozens of insurance carriers in just a few seconds. That's AS. AS insurance dot com slash rob. Okay. Stephen, let's get to the questions tonight. All right starts off with John. John John Joe wants to know if less is the Brown. Perfect question for Stephen. I'll take this one the new who are my new and comma tell me what sport are the yes. They are basketball team, Steven. Do a comma is the Lakers. Yes. Perfect. Perfect. Nailed it. Yes. All right. Let's get the Knicks. That's right. That's right. Okay. Let's give Stephen this one from Lorenzo Laura's wants to know, why does the merge loyalty even matter for them? Wendy already hates the tribe. So they'll be down eight to four in the best case. So it doesn't it make sense to disband the force in target, David or Wentworth as the big threats. What do you think, rob? So Lorenzo why not just have the new players all band together. When we just went worth, or takeout. David, right. Is that what the thought is there? That's right. I think that Lauren is not going to get rid of Kelly. Devon's isn't going to get rid of Rick. So it doesn't seem like that. There was a all new player if this was comma at Saint sort of configuration. Yeah. Three new players probably would've voted out Aubrey or Joe, but you know, both David and Kelly. Gotten their hooks into some of these new players. I disagree with the premise that loyalty doesn't matter in a small group. I think we see again. And again that loyalty is exactly what matters most in these small groups, the reason for the intentional months saying is that a your tribe gets really good at tribal council, but be you also developed super tight bonds from voting together and planning together over many many weeks. So then when you go, and you like see other tribe that is does not have the experience of tribal and also doesn't have the sort of proven tested bonds. They kind of fall apart in comparison to your loyalty. And it's one thing we see again and again season after season. It's at the group that is the most close-knit in the most loyal to each other almost always makes it to the end and win the tightest largest group is always the most successful, not even all the largest. Well. Whatever's if it's the largest to the largest three, but it's the tightest the largest largest tightest group. Does it have to be largest Titus? It can't be Titus largest. I don't know. Spence correction? Chad is on. I said that Devon's isn't going to get rid of Rick Devon's wasn't gonna get rid of David. Okay. Rick. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Thank you chat. Thank you. Good. Good. Good fact, check. Okay, James says, so do you guys think that Rick deserve to go tonight or share to less Sioux tribe? Have got rid of Lawrence condition throwing up all the time. If anything they got rid of Lauren for the I miss my parents. What's why can't you miss? That's that's that's where my survivor pet. Peeves? People goes hearted. You know? I miss my wife. I miss my husband. I miss my kids off fine. I miss my parents come on. You you go into college. And all yeah. You know, look I was twenty four when I played. So I missed my parents, and I wasn't. Maybe your parents are really awesome. I miss my parents now. Would love to give you need to wrote an co- call them. Maybe I will finish the show. After run though, I'm giving him a call. So, but look, I it was it was a red herring. I don't know what's going on with her health. But she seemed fine by the challenge. I also just because someone is sick is not a good reason to vote them off she performed well. Obviously, this is a subject near and dear to my heart. But she was she was puking a little bit. She wasn't eating. She's not eating. That's awesome. More food for you, making your mind. People Wendy voted we go to route. She doesn't want us to eat the chickens. Lauren's not eating what her out. What are they like? Go to go home and visit. Lawrence. Parents e come on you. All right. All right. Let's go to Christian. All right. Christian wants to know does Ron not know that people don't hide the idol their bag anymore. This is this was smart. This was smart because it was a tribe. Swap and that the one time that somebody was going to have their idol in their bag was going to be at the tribe. Swap because they all probably had a heads up that it was going to be, you know. Hey, make sure you have your stuff. Joe if he did have an idol would've had it in his bag at that moment. Yes. I that's a really good point. And when I did not think of I also had the the immediate instinct like why, you know, you don't know maybe he buried it. But that is a great point that right after the swab he has to have it in his bag or he will not have it at all okay back commented, and they they did. But jodi. Yeah. He could've gone he could've gone anywhere. Yeah. Okay. This is a question from Amanda. I like how all the reactions to the extinctions have been different. Rix, quiet determined walk gave me chills. Big big, Devon, STAN. I love that too. I thought that was so cool. You know, we had like like heath total freak out like Chris six crew. Those guys I really just I got chills to when like like just like looks at the sign. Pivots and picks up the torch and walks off. I thought that was real real cool. Yeah. I mean, it's should be a no brainer. Like if it was really like, by the way, you can have a chance to the game. But you will suffer. It is nothing there. It is brutal. Maybe people let me think about it for a second. This should be like, hey, go this way to get a chance to get back in the game. Yeah. Well, I'm in Fiji. What am I gonna do? Go home. Devin said he was thinking about that burger. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Miss. My miss my friends. Parents. That giving different reasons. Okay. All right. Steven what up Iraq Brock cheek wants to know. Can we get a current ranking of? No, why not why you to rank who is the best shot of making it off extinction. He'll you most want to see k me. Let me get Brock. This is very arbitrary and very reductive. I totally disagree with you. This podcast is about being arbitrary reductive. That's why we're here. Yes. Finally. Okay. I thought you were going to get mad. I was trying. I was trying to be the heavy on Brock. I think that it's different to be like who's playing a better game between these two entirely equivalent people who the jury can't even shoes between versus can we get a current rating each person on the jury was able to actually pick a person. Yeah. Yeah. But, but as a whole jury was not I guess so as a consensus of ten people that they were in were they were deadlocked. Okay. All right. Who has the best chance of making it off extinction? I mean based on assuming something physical. It's probably Chris yet. But who knows what it is? Like who does what what the challenge is going to be? I mean that we don't know how many people there's going to be there before somebody gets chance to get back in. We're assuming like six or seven people. I imagine. You think he will be some sort of like endurance competition? Is it going to be like, hey, everybody like up on the pole? And then whoever stays up the longest. Yeah. Could be something like that. I mean, someone like Chris who's got a lot of muscle. He's not going to do. Well in a total calorie deprivation environment. I actually really like the thing they did in Perla. I mean, I was not a fan of the outcasts twist at the time that I watched it which was like two thousand eight. And that was on the survivor Wiki, right? About it on the Wiki. I though did like the mechanic for how they brought people back which was the outcasts had to challenge, and they voted I thought that was kind of cool. Okay. So you you would like to see that the edge of extinction. People take on the players in the game for the opportunity to get back in and then vote somebody in from the edge of extinction. I thought that was a really fun mechanic not have to happen. I think that that would actually be really good. And I think that we're seeing the camp life here at the edge of extinction for the first time. And if that was the case, then I think that that would be a cool way to do it. And I feel like okay interesting. They they're provided with a Hawaiian sling. Also that I think that we did not know that that they were going to have that we just going to be rice. We know the Jeff likes to see the survivors provide for themselves. So I guess it makes sense that there would be. A Hawaiian sling on the edge of extinction. If there were of haute could remain get back in the game. I don't think so either voting for rim. I guess vote for each other. They're like these skinny Ryan in and Lil of our day now. Right. And Lil bay to the end. Well, the the story is that the people that wanted to go on the pre jury trip allegedly all said like, well, let's go back into the game. Is this is that? I believe that's the urban legend of you know. You were like in the in the mix at that point in time. That's how I heard it. I don't know you'd have to ask somebody maybe gave somebody knows that story for true that might just be telephone game. I think that's. Like in like hanging out with those people when that happened you who was hanging out with skinny Ryan survivor seven. I don't know like. The Sean was named Sean. Well, I'll ask my wife. I'll see if she is the the story on it. Let's take a question from Desmond. If you were Devon what would have been your sales pitch. The war dog. Interesting. That's a tough one. That's a really good one. Good question. You know that word typically cited with Wentworth. You know, that you are a very likely contender turn on David. I mean. I mean, I don't know. It's really a question. How do you target? Maybe like pledge loyalty to the word. I don't know. What do you think? Rob. Dog they're making a girls alliance. It's girls lines dog. You're not gonna they're going to get rid of you girls. Alliance is a girls alliance. Oh, my God of that. That's actually not not a terrible on because there is a I mean went worth has the history of being in a in a women's alliance. It has like this disproportionate terror affect on so many players easy way. Whereas like there have been so many more people voted out for fear of a the alliance, then there have actually been women's alliances. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a not a bear. Put the put the euro with girls alliance. It's happening. Pretty why was coming? So mad that Chris got voted out tonight. Stephen, I don't think they're mad at surprise. Well, they were like that you that this is it's an insult to the game that they voted Chris out. I was like all right. You guys weren't on our beach. So you guys don't know anything about what's going on. See so little of the other tribe. You know, you see at challenges. You don't really have any real speak to them. You see one person who's like the anchor in the challenges, and you see that person voted out. It's always a little bit shocking. But you know, they keep losing. So why not why not out? Okay. All right. Let's take this question. Steven one from Joanna Joanna wants to know are we one hundred percent sure ream isn't a CBS plant to Hayes contestants as they arrive on extinction island. Plant. Let's pretty good. I excited for you to have your Reema impression perfected by the time. She's in tribal and final tribal getting final. Yeah. I I was on extinction island for thirty eight days. Okay. All right. I love I love rim. I'm I'm not as down on extinction island because I like having all these people still around. I agree. It's really fun. I like seeing like I think it's cool too. I really liked seeing like Chris wrestle with his idea of perfection and failure. I it's interesting to see these people dealing with it and dealing with getting voted out. Like, what's like the one part of survivor? We haven't really seen. We have. We've had like the Punto Rosa videos, like we haven't really seen it on the show. Did you think that Keith might tap out tonight, Steven? Yeah, it sure looks like, but then was there. She was right there bolstering him. She was there. She was there to make sure that he was not going to give up. He's looking at it. I think he's got to be number one on the on the. Raise the sail rankings. Yeah, I think so I think of these four contestants if someone taps out. That's definitely gonna be kief. Okay. All right. This is from general what are your thoughts on the lay sue men saying Lauren is week after her challenge performance? I don't have their exact quotes. I think they were saying that she's not eating. Yeah. I think they were like concerned, and they said, maybe liability because she's ninety ding. Gotta stop eating. I mean, it seemed like more long-term concern that immediate media. I also really think that they were just like looking for a reason. Yeah. It had to like they were stretching to find some rationale challenge was great tonight. John was really great. Was it might have been a snooze had it not started raining. I think the rain vision only do that challenge in the rain or they should bring a rain machine. This is one from decay. Dinning Lauren share that she had an idol. It was told by Kellyanne Wardag not to use it based off the little look war gave Lauren when she didn't use it. Yeah. That is possible. Also that Lauren was like, hey, I have the idol I've got the idol. So like, maybe even to war dog of like, hey like you vote for me. But I have the idol. Yeah. That's a that's a good question. We do it does seem like we learn after the fact that many more people know about these idols advantages, then we are aware of. Yeah. That's kind of thing that comes out after the season. Like, oh, I actually knew about that. We all knew about this, so heart can't maybe the secret scenes can give us some of that information. Let's see one or two more questions here with Steven. Fella, stephen. No. Yes. Great with a well, Steven Johnson to. So if someone goes to extinction island with an idol does it lose its power. What do you think? Rob. So my guess is. Yes, I think it would. I think that if you get voted out of the game with an idol, you don't get to take it to extinction, only, my only sort of precedent on this is in survivor, South Pacific way. Ozzie had the idol. Remember sure, you do because it happened with Cochran that he that Ozzy gave his idol to Cochran to hold and because he was going to get voted out and go to redemption island, and then Cochran has been charged with idle while Ozzy was away. But but he he gave it to Bill. He didn't have to give it to him to hold. I don't remember that. I don't know. I mean, if Ozzy could've taken it with him to redemption island, you would think that Ozzy would check that out before he just gave his idol to Cochran, but he sort of said it was like a try buydell. I don't know. We'll find we'll find out maybe this season. If anybody get sorted out with an idol, I would think that they would let them take it. I mean. Yeah. I guess they want more idols McCabe. They don't want idols to sitting at extinction islands. So so maybe the move is to give them a chance to hide it again. I mean, then if the idol comes back into the game, I don't know. I my my guess is that it's Nolan. Void once once it leaves the game. Yeah. It's not a terrible. Okay. All right. Let's do one more question here. If we have one Scott from Ashley, actually, what's Joe and Kelly do immunity challenge in second chances. It looked very familiar if not the whole thing the puzzle for sure the same actually, you are almost right? They did do we do. This. The puzzle was not the same. So the immunity challenge is the same except for the puzzle. Okay. At what point in the game? Did you guys do this challenge? I believe it was like it was so it was pre merge. I think it was like our I remember it as being I I it was not it was I think it was our second or third challenge. Oh, no way. Savage. I think it was our second or third challenge. Okay. And then second child. The second child's thoughts on this from the betcha Lorette. Why don't they sell that puzzle on the grounds is production that frame, I think the framers easier than you're looking at it right side up. It's kind of like a whole pieces in place. They probably go in a certain way. And so I think that, you know, in terms of like from a visual standpoint, I think that they probably want them to and I think it's probably better. Yeah. Yeah. They might ask them to you're right. You're right Joe, by the way, also won that challenge in our season and Kelly lost it so. History history repeats itself. Is it unfair to have someone do not that it should be fair is unfair to have someone to challenge? They've already Aubrey the challenge that she is already done. I think that you sort of like a reason to that returning. Hey, I like do some of these challenges have some expertise. So I think it's all fair. We have a clarification from Scott fall on Twitter. Yes. Episode to read aubrey's idle. Idle is not valid once voted off interesting. That's a big clue. That's a big thing. That is a huge hit. If the clue says is not valid at off. That's crazy. You're right. Like that would be a huge hint. Yeah. Okay. Maybe. Can't stand up and flip the idol to somebody else. Say, hey, I'm voted out Steven you, take this. Didn't it didn't bring me any luck. Hopefully, it'll bring you some right? We. We. Would be hard. I'm trying to think if you were out there, if there's if you would ever make the leap to think the voted off players are sitting around I wouldn't because I'd say they never do this. They hate the like really come out against the outcast twist being terrible idea even redemption seasons that was introduced early early on by. Redemption island duel is coming up and stuff like that. So at this point, I think that it would be really unprecedented to imagine that these people are coming back at the merge. So it should be. I some good reactions once he gets really excited about. Okay. Stephen, let's let's talk about some of the things that we have coming up. And it looks like that you have an update on the paraphrase podcast that you talk to the author of the book hot rook, hark, hark. That's just one word. I mean is spread over two lines. The book is hark by Samlip site and Samlip site has long been a Saint that is probably one of the funniest writers writing today. His book, the ask was one of my favorite books of all time and his new book hark, which is similarly hilarious. It follows this guy named hark mourner who basically developed his own cult called mental archery, which is this kind of mix of mindfulness and yoga but deeply rooted in the mythology of artery him, and it's about his like the adherence, and it's it's a really fun read and Sam super funny and super and book is so I interviewed him for paraphrase. What you could check out at paraphrase podcast. Okay. All right. Good work there. Stephen. All right. Let's see what else is coming up. Oh, robin. Keeping you to podcast. We're gonna go back to mystery episodes. Even what do you think? What do you think it was the mystery episode of Robin, Akiva, need podcast? I mean, it could be anything. It's a mystery gals. If you had to guess, I mean, you you already listened to it, obviously. So it'd be cheating. But if you had to guess just about anything. Yeah. We actually we actually read the book hark and talked all about it. That's. Lil as how Rick so it was a little bit. Yeah. That's that. 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If David's brand is loyalty, what is your survivor brand? Yeah. Probably I mean, it's it's. What would you say to them? What would you say? Like, hey, my brand is fun. Von okay. We have a winner going to keep it fun. Keep it fun. I'm not gonna win come on. Let's let me let me just have some fun here. You know? I don't get out of the house much. We're gonna have fun. We're gonna we're gonna have a lot of fun. Okay. It didn't work out for that. Great for Tom green with that. But that's what I'm going for here on the podcast. And luckily, they can't pull me out of this. So Stephen, by the way, do people who are watching us here live that Nicole. And I the first lady podcasting are going to record the patron five for five tonight. But I haven't been able to post the question thread in the Facebook group. So if you have something that you want to hear Nicole, and I talk about send me a tweet tonight after the show, and I will get into it with the first lady podcasting on our weekly patriot five who got the fishy this week. This is tough week. I think I thought it was no brainer fishy for making the right decision. I mean, it could actually probably on the David. But because like how he's not being targeted is some sort of miracle. I gave it toward making the right choice between Lauren and Devon's a sad as I was. I wasn't the choice. I wanted him to make. I mean, what do you do you think it was like fifty one forty nine for Wardag? No, I agree with you. I think that he's he's repeatedly showing that. He's I think it was like ninety two eight. Exactly. Yeah. Probably going to stick with Kellyanne worth. You know, that that's I thought maybe he might potentially say like, well, then I could be Kelly went where it's number one. If I got Lauren, but then you know, then next week you're heading into a to split. So it would have made no sense whatsoever. It's such a no brainer. I wasn't trying to shade were dog earlier because may got mercy on my soul. If if I was but. Too. I mean, it was such a such a no brainer decision. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty pretty pretty straightforward for for war dog. And. If you vote out the ally, if you don't if you vote out it's not like Highlander where you become you take their powers, if you vote the ally, you don't then become the ally you become the enemy. Okay. Seena both ways. I guess actually it has happened where you voted the LA you become a better ally. That's actually, I mean. I want to keep going back to survivor Cambodia. No, no. I'm aware. Thing. All right. Great job. Thanks so much to Scott saint-pierre behind the scene. Sick. Everybody. Have a good one. Bye.

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Survivor 38 Episode 9 Feedback with Eric Stein

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Survivor 38 Episode 9 Feedback with Eric Stein

"The. Gummy live from IO par. It's rob has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who's always scraping the bottom of the podcast pot of life. I am rob sister. Nino. Hello, everybody. And welcome back to rob has a podcast for our big feedback show after this week's wild episode of survivor, but that is something that we will put on the back burner for now as we are getting ready to break down the first six weeks of big brother Canada with America's player, Eric Stein. Eric. Eric men. What is good, rob? What is good? I'm gonna take a hard pass on the big brother candidate talk. But I'm I'm excited to dig in on survivor, the first installation of the spring of Stein. And I'm feeling so positive and so- sunny today that I'm gonna go from T bird to Ebert. That's. Here. No more clammy. Ebert is here. And we're gonna talk about this week in survivor as we will talk about was this good. Are we headed in the in the right direction survivor coming apart at the seams, Eric? I can think of no better guests than to talk about this all through with you. You know, I love to near it out to this stuff. I I've been spending my last forty eight hours thinking about the tribal council the format is it moving in a direction is it moving in a bad direction is the all of the above. I haven't slept since. Okay. All right. Good. That is perfect. How we like to get our guests, and Eric we'll talk about that all the first. Let's let's get the quick catch up. What's going on everything? All things going great on your end. Oh, yeah. Everything's great. My life is one big edge of extinction. Slowly fading away. Waiting to wave. The flag. Springs upon us. So maybe things are looking up. Yes, Eric the calendar has changed to spring. You said that that was your favorite of the seasons. Well, I have a good three weeks before the sweat starts. So yeah, I'm hanging in there. This is good season for me right now. Baseball is upon us. Good TV in the mix. Yeah. I'm actually feeling pretty good. I'm feeling very happy today and excited. Okay. Thumbs up on the jets new uniforms. They look like green. Yeah. Just like the eagles really not all that new. You think if they were going to design something they could have gone a little further down the path and I'll still by five. Okay. All right. So Erica, we're gonna talk about this week of survivor. But let me ask you your thoughts on the season because we're coming into this. I haven't really talked to you at All Saints. We talked about celebrity big brother two and what a fantastic season of television. We got to watch with the celebrities playing big brother. But now we've shifted to survivor. What has been your feeling overall on the edge of extinction? Well, it was always going to be tough to follow up on last season last season had wall the wall some of the best characters that we've seen together at once in many years. I mean, there was from villains to likable villains to rutabagas people to gamers, you had a real. Spectrum last season. And obviously this season doesn't have quite that level of personalities, but what I'm really loving about this season is that I feel like everyone really wants the game badly. No one is rolling over people are making plans, they're hustling, and I think that makes for an exciting chaotic game. And I think what we're seeing now is sort of the aftermath of that. Obviously the game was sort of straightforward in the early going. But now that people are really in the mix year. I think we have a real choose your own adventure sort of scenario and no one's rolling over which makes for an exciting game. If you're going to get up at tribal and fight tooth and nail to the death. It means you want to be there. And I would way rather see that than people marched to their own demise. Like a season like a one world or something like that? There's nothing worse than thinking you're gonna come in seventh. And then coming in sevens. At least everybody here wants to be here, including the edge player. So I like, I wonder about the extinction twist real. Upfront with you now, many of our listeners know you from your time on big brother, but there's a part of Eric Stein that we don't always talk about on the podcast, the part where you are a creator of reality show formats, you have consulted on different reality TV shows, and I would love to just get your take on. What do you think of the edge of extinction? As a twist overall. Okay. I am going to go a little inside shop here. Get deep you opened up can of worms, rob. So here we go bed of worms. Exactly, I love that. We are getting to ride out some of these fantastic characters all season is a hidden gem that I think is really entertaining. I personally would prefer the that content on all access on a secret scenes for me. We are seeing in Devon's exactly. I do not like this from a game format standpoint from game format it's patently unfair. If someone makes it near to the end, and then gets voted out. Whereas he's already been voted out of the game. They're not on level footing. Also, once you've been voted out you have nothing to lose anymore. He is playing with reckless abandon because who cares if you get voted out one to seven times it makes no difference to him. He's already had back crushing moment. And I think rushing it's allowing him. He went to police Calipari school of gaming. So I think he's now playing with the weight off of his shoulders, and it's making him a reckless wild card in the game. So from game standpoint, I think it's totally unfair from TV standpoint. I think it's a lot of fun. And if you want to go third level from a logistical standpoint. It's kind of a nightmare for them because you need additional crew that's out there, filming with them. What I would love to see is an option like the edge of extinction. Excel. They're sort of playing their own sub game. How fun would it be? If when we got down to our final six or seven if they got to come in watch a competition on the edge for like an extra twenty five thousand dollars or visit from home or something along those lines. But I don't like it impacting the game free offer. I know there. This is a hot point of contention. I would never and I mean never vote for someone who got voted out over someone who did not get voted out because at its core. The object of the game is to not be voted out. Then said, I love the show taking big swings. When a format gets tired this show gets put out to pasture. There's been tons of television formats that did not change through the years, and it gets so still and so tired. I mean, for God's sakes by the twenty seventh beef Wellington, they're cooking on hell's kitchen or the ten thousand weigh in on the biggest loser. We get it already. So. Kudo sister -vivor for always trying something new, and I think we've got a lot of fun out of it. And thank God. They I am actually in on your theory that they cast ream to be the first one out to hold the entertainment value of. I don't I think people have said that. I don't think that I've necessarily said that I don't think that they had the foresight to say, oh, no. This woman will host the edge of extinction. She will be our mayor of extinction. Carry this for the season was going into the final four when they cast their. Really roll deep. Well, I think that historically survivor has cast people to be their first boots where they they know when they put us per certain person out there that this person is probably going to be the first boot or they're gonna make it far. And they'll be incredible television either way. Yeah. I think they they got their money's worth here. And I I like it. I like it. I love her being the forewoman it's been greatly entertaining. And I I don't think it's taking away from the time on the show. I like seeing the check ins, and it's a really interesting part of the experience. So it's kind of pulling back the curtain on what we would normally not see once the players are eliminated one of the other game components. I do not like about it is the they get to exchange information while they're there. So you're coming back armed into the game with so much more knowledge than the other people who are still left in the game. I want to go back to something you said about Rick Devon's where that he's been voted out of the game already. And he's. Playing like he doesn't necessarily care. And I don't think anybody else says put it as simply as you did. It's almost like that. He is about an hour and twenty minutes of Bill Murray into groundhog's day where you know, he's been through it enough times that he's just doing and saying whatever he feels like to whoever and is not really worried about the repercussions at this point. Yeah. And I think in a way it's a blown the lid off of his game. I think he was playing a little bit tight a little bit passively and he's a passenger, no more, right? I mean, just go back to that conversation that we talked about so much last week where he is talking with war dog about working together. And he says toward like, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd love to get back with you guys. Actually, I would never get back with you guys because I hate you guys. And that in that context that makes a lot more sense. Yeah. And I also love the fact that any bounces back this week, and he flips on his own comment. Just completely pulled that back because he doesn't care. I truly believe that. And I think what. Gate actually allows you to play with much greater freedom. And I think that your to your point this is a point you actually made. I'm not putting words in your mouth this time. I think he is playing now like he's a returning player. He's learned the lesson. He knows what it feels like he knows what to sniff out and he's just going for it. He's he is all in and it's making four a really tough explosive dynamic for everyone else at this point. Okay. All right. Let's start to get into this tribal council from this past week. Why don't we get into this conversation? I will let Kieran from Maryland open up this conversation cure in from Maryland. Did leave us a many voicemails this week, but we will go with this one to open this conversation. Hey, Robin, Eric, it's Kieran from Maryland. I wanna Eric if he thinks it's a good idea to not unload, all the strategy and plans until trauma council. Going into trouble council. Julia was not the target whatsoever to target was David or Kelly, but during that crazy and live travel council. Things went crazy and resulted in Julia going home. So I'm wondering if it's a good idea to wait until tribal council on low at all the strategy and plans, Eric my question to you is devoting. It's a good idea to wait until tribal council to unload, all the strategic plans and talks. Okay. Just to add to just the information that we're talking about here. So this might have been more just a unique circumstance where we had a big blindside on day twenty two of this game. Here we are twenty four hours later back at tribal council. And so I guess the question is did this occur. Because there was just not enough time for the plans to come together. We're basically we saw three days of action end up transpiring in about twenty minutes at Freiburg council or. Do you think that perhaps that there is some new emergent game play happening? I think it's a little bit of both. And I think what we really just saw was just God awful game play from the comic crew. I mean, what a disaster through and through. I think they flew way too close to the sun and went up in flames. They got way too cute for their own good. And eventually people are going to compare notes. Now to your point. I think that normally happens back on the island maybe in the time crunch. They didn't have the time to compare notes. But then as Jeff is moderating, and they're talking through this where they really went completely off the rails is they're trying to promote this narrative to Kelly that there with Kelly, so they can blindside Kelly. So they're carrying on tribal like they're going after David. So then you have both David end Kelly unsure well is this the plan or am I the target which inherently requires them to compare notes? So then they do they realize they've both been told the opposite things. Rick stirs it up they've alienated their own alliance members and Walla an explosion of a complete disaster. I do it understand how Julia could think that other players don't get to have plans of their own don't get to compare notes, and they were just really sloppy. So I think if you're playing a good game, you can tie up your plans way before you go the tribal, but when you are trying to juggle multiple balls and doing so poorly. This is what happens now, Eric my mind has been thinking about this a lot as well over these last couple of days, I've been looking forward to talking to you about this because I want to just use a little bit of a sports metaphor to describe this and wonder if this is possibly the same thing where we've seen in the NFL, for instance, that we end up having a less sort of. Okay. The play gets called in from the. Sideline. Everybody lines up to more of offenses that are able to change things up at the line of scrimmage a couple of different plays or called. Meanwhile, the defense is all just like milling about they're not giving the offense. A look do. You think it's possible that survivor is shifting more to there being less game. Play less talk back on the island because that's really when your plan could get sniffed out. You're telling people what's going on people have the chance to adjust and counter act to what you're proposing. Whereas if the plan is happening at the tribal council does that give the people who are coming up with the plan more of an advantage to be able to move fast and get something done. And I think you're totally right. I think being able to call those audibles during game time, I think that that is probably where we're going, and I think production probably will not like that. Because it doesn't give them the footage. They need for the rest of the show. But I do think that any game yet a reality competition a sporting event a board game anything the strategy evolves with time sticking with sports metaphors. So that way everyone will shut this off now baseball they're using sabermetrics, and they shift the entire fielding positions to accommodate where someone's going the hit it on the field that wouldn't have been done ten years ago. People learn different strategies, emerging strategies come up and people alter their game play. So yes, it's definitely away the protect where you're going. But it's not good television. And that's a major boo if you want to be on the side of the producer. So I think that if that is what's happening. It will be stumped out quickly. But I also think I am not anti the new Evelyn in tribal because to my earlier point I am going out clawing kicking and screaming doing anything. I can if I think my name is. Is up so kudos to them for not just sitting there and taking do something about it. 'cause I don't wanna be a old guy. And well, I mean that that doesn't matter what I want. But what I don't want to be as a cranky guy complaining about how that this is bad when in the past for so many seasons of survivor the plan was setting. So everybody is just going through the motions of Jeff is asking questions and people are just trying to not necessarily give up the blindside. And so the basically everybody is set in stone. Nothing anybody is saying is changing anybody's mind, and we're just like going through the motions of having this tribal council, whereas opposed to the live tribal council that we ended up seeing than the person voted out was definitely different than the person who was going to be voted out going into trouble council. And if the show is shifting in that format where maybe maybe it's not to acts in each episode like it was this week. But maybe we're spending a few more minutes at tribal council and things are more electric travel council is that necessarily a bad thing. Now, I actually think that that's a good thing. It just makes be rest of the episode story harder to tell because it's not informing what we're going to see in the end. But I think it's better. I mean, what you previously had was a week in review. It was like a recap for the viewers talk us through how we got to this point. Now, let's reveal what we all already know. And what we have now is an actual game component, which is giving people wiggle room to actually dig in and shakes things up a little bit. I think that this is going to be a real asset to someone who's actually good at the game. Because you saw the people who were adaptable. Here and coming up with plans, and and riling everyone up versus the people who became belligerent and frazzled and it made a huge difference in the outcome of of what this tribal led to. Okay. Let's take another question about this. And we wanna hear from Victoria from Baltimore. But that say this is not our good friend, Victoria who calls us all the time on the summer of Stein. The toria from Baltimore. So I just of a fun entertainment idea. Go to the survivor Facebook page comments and look at all the comments regarding the show off night. They were pretty wild. You know, everyone's saying how could they do this? Let this go on for this long tribal council sucks or it was award. You get the picture, and I don't usually agree with the Tagil Facebook fans, but to be honest, I'm sort of on the sign of a little bit. You know, I think that it's crazy that just kind of let people walk all over him. Now, you know, I feel I maybe Jeff could've, you know, mediated a little bit more. Let me. Let me know what you guys think thinks I Eric we like the idea of the live tribal council in theory. But when everybody is up out of their seats and moving around and talking now is the show almost impossible to follow. If you're somebody who is not super well versed in where everybody is coming from. I think so, but I also think it makes it more exciting. A so I think it's you know, I could see it both ways. I do think that people are a little bit stuck in their ways people like their routine, and like what they expect. That's why TV shows are formatted in the first place. That's why you always get tribal council when you do and why tune into an episode of chops. You know, exactly what's going to happen every second of everything because people tune in and expect to see what they're accustomed to. And that's what they want. But why not try something? And also, I mean, this is this. Very inside as someone who has played a reality competition before. But when you're in that moment, you're worried about your game and your million dollars. You are in worried about what it's going to look like on television. So yes, it makes sense for Jeff to on his stop it. But if I'm a player, I'm doing anything I can to stay in that moment. So it's like you're not thinking about it the same way as you would be thinking about it from your couch necessarily, Jeff seem thrilled with the entire thing. That was going on ally. Agree. I don't think I think regardless of where we fall on this. I do not think this is stopping anytime soon. I think he loves the fact that it stirring, and crazy, and and he can promote that you never know what to expect on any given night. Does survivor in your mind need to make any sort of adjustment. Would you like to see any sort of that you need permission to get out of your seat or you're only allowed the out of your seat for sixty seconds? Or do we need anything to sort of rain in or just let it go wherever it's going. Well, I do think that one thing that I guess this is a centrally telling people to stay in their seats. But one thing that would be fascinating. And stop a lot of people in their tracks. But still allow for the scramble would be okay. You can have these conversations, but you have to have them out loud. No whispering in someone's ear. No pulling someone to side. No one knows stepping ten feet away. From the set have any conversation that you want go into whatever grouping you on. But we're not whispering into each other's ears. And then if you if you want to say something say at your own potential expense. The problem is that you have people who are sort of all the way on one. End of the action and so far away from everybody else. Like, I really think it was a disadvantage for Aurora that she was all the way on the far left of the tribal council set where it seemed like that she was left out of some of these conversations we're going on. Well, sure, except you saw some of the other scurry over people did yet up. Yeah. So where you're seated I do think plays a factor. No, I agree. And I do not know this for with certainty, you might be able to speak to this. But I would imagine that you have assigned seats at tribal you do. Yeah. So in survivor, the Amazon you did. Right. So I think that that is actually a very good point. Then as we're doing this, deep dive here is that they're putting you with people that they think probably that you're apt to converse with and have these conversations with and so therefore it is to your detriment if you're out of that conversation sphere. I do think that what happens just in terms of looking at a lot of these tribal councils. Person who sort of like a the swing position where like a lot of the conversation is going to be framed around them. They do tend to be sitting in the middle of everybody. Right. Like on big, brother. The deciding vote is always the last vote. Yeah. Which is not a coincidence either. Okay. Eric reality Curtis wants to know, how many youths do you give Julius tribal council performance that ultimately got her voted out? This is a four of five situation and for the those not in the know over the summer of Stein, Robin. I created our patented UFA Matre, which is apparently if you do poorly, it gets an from me, I didn't even realize it. But it did. And we we created this scale and five is the most off tastic you can be. And the conversion of youths to opus. Oh, yes. That's tough. I think have you have to be three the one, right? I'm not sure. Three two one three one. Yes. And and and one half ops, bustle, all right? All right. Atrocious. But I cannot give it the maximum five youths because there has been worst moments from this season in my opinion. But she just did horribly. I cannot cannot sugarcoat she's insulting people. She's implying that other people should just go along with whatever it is that she says, she's frightening people by speaking of the many plans there can't be many plans can only be one plan. So which plan is it. She was begging people to compare notes and turn on her. And the fact that it ended up with our allies voting against her as well. We don't even know how it got that far off the rails for her. But I mean boy did this ship sink quickly. Passenger. Passenger. She was a passenger on the Titanic. Painful sinking of Eric. What was the five youth moment that you're referring to Keith his whole stay on the show. No. I know. I know it's not. It's uncouth and very of metoo insult in nineteen year olds but for my margin, and yes, I have not gone back and watched every season recently. This has to be one of the five worse players. I've ever seen. So so atrocious on every level from his social game to his physical game to his delusions of grandeur to his lack of conviction and staying power in the game. I never in my life. Have I seen anything on this show him walking out and say good luck in the challenge is now. Yeah. You make a good point. Like if we're really trying to look at somebody who was you know, not exceeding in the three areas of the game. And then ultimately did go on to surrender. I will say that at least he had a little gumption he sold out ream on that first episode. Yes. It's true. He looked promising for about thirty seconds. There did not pay off ultimately. Okay. All right. So you say four out of five for Julia. Let me give you this question. Here comes Tara from Albany has the different question for Eric Stein. Right at my this is Harris from Albany, New York. I'm just wondering on a scale of one to five. What would you give Ron Clark for throwing out Victoria's name law? She was standing right beside him at tribal council. They crushing it. Okay. All right, Eric, did you catch the moment when Ron was talking about Victoria, did not actually? Okay. All right. Let's see let me play it for you. You tell me if it deserves any hooves or here is when David Wright is asking Ron if you work with toria Victorian. Supposed to be. Changed? I swear. Okay. I liked that. Actually, I thought that was an appropriate answer from him. He didn't he said. Yeah. That would be nice. That's good. All right. I thought that I actually think that was a a fine moment for Ron. I actually think that he had a relatively good episode here. He put his tail between his legs. I love the way. He went back to the tribe and said, hey, I've been a monster. I see this. But I am loyal. And let me now do what I can to help you guys because I do care about you. I thought he had as good of a recovery as he could have had after Eric's boot. Are you enjoying the Ron Clark experience? So far. I am. I don't really having a hard time. Envisioning Matthew Perry. Feeling like maybe like the guy from modern family possibly would have been better testing, which one well, actually, really any of them O'neil. No, the redhead the red. I feel like he'd be Phil actually wouldn't be bad. Either. I don't know. I don't feel like Matthew Perry has energy would David Schwimmer. Be better. Ron clark. Actually, I think he would make do a nice job. Actually, really, basically. So what Lisa Kudrow anyone other Matt Perry? Okay. All right. Then let's play one. This is from Jennifer has a great question for Eric Stein. Here very very lucky to have here on the survivor feedback show with us this week. Here's jennifer. Hey, Robin Herrick. This is Jennifer. What would you consider yourself a shark a minnow or the poop? Okay. Eric, of course, we all remember this iconic moment from this past a week's episode where David Wright has had some great analogies. So far this season. He's got another one this morning in the water. I spotted this. Huge school of minnows, but eventually shark came through and ate a bunch of them. And tonight with the reconstituted, comma, it's likely that one of the less sue is a minimum that really happen. I was thinking poop. Devin now, we have a new analogy. Thanks, david. Where are you minnow or shark? I might be the poop. All right. We're seeing the evolution of the dump here. Another another next level. Yeah. Rob. I'll give you one guess as to which you think that I'll say I am. Okay. Eric we aware. Everybody knows what we are. Okay. So what I would like to do though is we are down to ten people left in the game. We've got six people that are now on the edge of extinction. And so I thought it might be a good way to take stock in where everybody is at in the game. Then let's go through the cast. And let's talk about who's the minnow who's the shark and who like Rick Devon's I might be the. Hope hope you realize this is going to be the format of season forty now sharks versus minnows versus poop down. Yes. All right. My only hope on survivor sharks versus minnows versus poop that we might get a return of Ricky Williams. Many already hardy colon forty. Speak game. Of course. What if it could be the poop tribe hall of fame? You could have Bruce Darnell could be amazing. Yes. Okay. Lots of lots of ideas about what to do here. All right. And then looking. It's middle's worse. Import a potty at the jersey shore after an all you can. All right. We lose people. All right. But I thought okay who are the sharks who were the minnows? And who like Rick Devon's might be the pope, Eric? So let's let me give you let me give you some names. I like this is a lot. And we are we're going to be able to tell who is who is the minnow who's just swimming by with their little school who's the shark ready to eat everybody. And who's the poop was just there in the water? I'm ready to chance. Okay. Why don't we David Wright himself shark all the way and great game play from David Wright to identify himself, as a hapless pack member minnow, I love it as re reshaping people's perception of him. He's telling them what to think of him. When in reality anyone who knows anything about David great knows. That's not the truth. I I gotta say I thought David was going down in flames on the season. This is pretty remarkable. Even though there are. Plenty of plenty of game left to play. I'm pretty impressed by what Kellyanne David done here. I mean, they should have been dead to write episodes ago. So the mere fact that are in the mix and still making things happen, and it's very much. What David did his first time around? Also, I I love the way that he will find solutions to any problem that he encounters in this game. He's he's a shark for. Sure. Okay. What about Kelly shark? Now the short. I mean, rob. She has set on these her idol for how many tribals in a row now. I mean, if someone literally sneezed in one of our directions, we would have that amount. Still fast. I would be running to the cauldron play it give me this takes a lot of nerve. And obviously, she might know some things that we don't as viewer. So she probably has more reason than we think to not be playing. But let me tell you something. She is shown her her shark tendencies this time around she came to play. She has a huge chip on her show. Older. This is a business transaction. Let me tell you something even in the five years difference of her first season two now her life has changed a time. The first time it may have been an adventure. It may have been fun. It may have been her favorite show. Now, she's leaving her family. She went out there to win a million dollars and she's playing like it. So whether it happens or not she's a big time sharp. Okay, David Ryan, Kelly Wentworth are up for the leads in the shark NATO remake. Ooh. Move over Tara Reid. And I. Airing. It's time for David and Kelly. Okay. In a weird way. They could almost like be those genres. Very weird way. Okay. All right. We're at war dog, shark minnow or pope. I think we're Doug is a shark another. Yes. We are. We are. We are certainly I think informing ourselves as to who the power players in this game. Are I think it's a question of whether or not they can keep it together in any which way or if they know that they're each other as fellow sharks? And you know, there is a shark on shark violence situation here. But I think we're assured I think he's actually been an extremely pleasant surprise this season. Because he does have that sort of hyper, Connecticut energy that you expect from his arc type. But at the same time, he's making a lot of great points and his word has value out there. I think he's been entertaining. I think he's been one of the livelier people on the season. And it's actually making things happen. It seems like he's one of the only people who can say something and it actually results in inaction. So I like it. Okay. Lauren. Mino-? I so. Okay. And then Rick Devon's also from less sue. Well, he's not going to like this. But well. I think he might be the poop, actually. Okay. Why? But but we'll I think he's. Aurora's insane in allergy went off the rails. I think he might be that edited element in the sea. That's messing with the poop the minnows. The poop the balance and the sharks here. He's like that. He's that he might be that fourth element. Now. The on known whatever God knows what she was talking about where we don't know. Okay. What about Aurora? I feel like she's a shark in real life. But I feel like she is gone to. She's she's hit the proofs. Shark upside coming out of last week, but this week I think that she could be left in poop city. She took a strange time to it's like, she was the tag along to that group, then they voted out her one true ally. And then she dug her heels in as like a more serious member of the group bizarre. She her timing on the whole thing's really off and her indignant behavior at tribal I do not like where she stands in this game anymore. It's hard to see her having these social currency the pull off any sort of necessary move who is gonna listen to her at this point, Ron Ron Clark. I think he is. Boop. I think. I think. No. Arc in real life. Short-term poop. Yeah. Tail is. All this time. I was gonna say in the game. I think he's a shark pretending to be a minnow now. Yes or do. Well, I think he's like a shark. That's. Going to. Come to untimely death. He might still have shark like tendencies, he's just not going to eat anyone anymore. Okay. All right. What a Julie. I mean, I feel like she's a minnow in sharks clothing, Minoan, sharks clothing, or sharking minnows clothing. She's I don't see her. Well, it's hard to say. I mean, she's she's going for it at this point. Right. She's taking her her fading her own hands. It's hard to see her as anything, but a number at this point. It's not never great move to pull the old Cochran and go from bottom of your alliance to bottom of someone else's alliance that rarely turns out well for people, Victoria. I think she's a shark shark. What do you think? I don't know. I think that she's been a minnow who ends up sort of like on the right side of the numbers like she keeps swimming to safety. Well, I see what you're saying. And I think she is kind of going with the tide so to speak as a shark to Aubrey. Yes. In a minnow, he sense. But I really do. Enjoy her game play. I would love to see Victoria type of character on every season. It's fun to watch someone who. No strings attached rolling with the punches and is willing to be just savage to anybody. I thought she was hilarious at tribal. I love how she just she pulled the parachute on her alliance so fast, and is just whoops here. I am. Okay. So what's the plan guys is if she had been aligned with them? Yeah. I thought it was it was a classic move. And I think the fact that she got away with it says more than anything because if if I was in that that other group I like go back over with. Julia. Thank you very much and immoral go sit down, and instead they were like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Victoria's with us. I could tell that, you know. It's funny Vittoria would be a phenomenal big brother player. I don't know if this ultimately the strategy works as well on survivor. But I mean, she is like a June song level floater in the positive. Well, I like the fact that you would never see her. Coming. She has one of those packages that seems on a Suming enough. So I think, you know, her her game is very dangerous in that sense. Because if you trust her it's going to be at your own demise. But if this was a big brother season, it's like, okay. Whoever's the H she's up there in the bedroom. She's talking about she's in their ear about who. They should put up on the block. She's never considered for somebody who should be going up on the block in survivor. It's hard to always be in the numbers, especially when the season that's having a lot of shifts like this. I agree. But I do think she's also game to be adaptable to what's going on. And so far she has not found herself out of the numbers. So I think at least you have to credit her for reading the situation, and she has found a way they'll Spar the be in the majority whether or not she cannot maintain that. Or if she develops a reputation for being a little worming is possible here, but I don't want. I do. Yeah. I do. Her willingness to do whatever it takes with whoever it takes. She's paying homage to the. Voting block sense to the whatever God knows what other terms were coined around that trust. Yes. Yeah. We'll roll with that. And what about Gavin? I feel like, unfortunately, I feel like Gavin is is a minnow here. And I think he's going to be in less. He pulls a something really out of his hat in short order. I think he is on the chopping block. And I think he's going to be really disappointed in his own game. I think he has all the potential in the world to be a good player. I don't really think we're seeing it realized. But yeah, he's still he's still in their E L seems willing. So I wouldn't rule them out. But he I think he finds himself in a place now where it's going to be very hard to dictate his own destiny in the game Gavin. I thought was trying to have his shark moment this week where he came in. And was like from the get-go my move by next move is going to be we should go after David Wright. And I actually think that his plan would have worked. But we saw the moment where he talks to Kelly and more dog and Lauren. And I was wondering if maybe some of them had been fans of the summer of Stein after they made this pact. I'm ready to take this six a new alliance to the end. Yeah. I remember all dies from the beginning. See who flip fussy who comes back when the times good? I see these times a bad, and they were ready to be writer dies with Gavin. But then we saw Julia. Then in her conventional talk about it like boy, this less SU three. I don't wanna work with them anymore. Yeah. No one likes to flip flop. So you might be right. Yeah. But I thought that he came in. And it was like, hey, let's let's voted together last night, let's vote together again. And Juliet that for some reason, even though there were four people from original comma that flipped she couldn't work with those numbers of that less who three that was too big of a threat for her at the final eleven which is incredibly bizarre. If you roll back her actions even further when she could've voted out Laurine or Kelly instead of Joe, and then her numbers would have been even more for defied. And this wouldn't have even been an issue. And right, she still should have had a majority and this week is like one of the ultimate lessons in survivor, and I don't see how we can be thirty eight seasons and people are still making this mistake, you need to make everyone feel like they are involved. They are being heard they are part of the plan when you exclude. People or don't give them information or don't they don't feel like you're listening to them. What happened with Julie is going to happen every single time? And this was just a complete failure from the other four to not luck this. What's agree? I think they should have just gone once you choose the direction go with the direction. It seemed very bizarre to then crawl back to the other ones. We like, hey, nothing happened here. We're still good. We're we're back to the original tribe. You're not still good. So then you had created a different numbers advantage so role with them evaded Martin content to do that either. You know, they need they need to pick a lane and stay in it. That was the problem way, too, wishy, washy and beckons fiber Kagi on that Tony was able to do this a couple times where he and Wu were able to flip away from his alliance with Trish, and with casts and then come back and work things out, but he had Trish who. Who was able to sort of smooth things over with people when he flipped away from his allies. And then came back and Trish was the person who's gonna iron everything out. And so we had these come people who flipped away from Ron and Julia. But there was no person who was there to sort of make everything right with Ron and Julie. And that even though I think they were gonna vote with them. Julie still never felt good about it and was ready to jump ship away from this new reformed alliance through they got the tribal council yet. You're totally right. They needed the fixer. And I think as we all know by now Trish was really integral to Tony's game in twenty played a one in a million game would be impossible to replicate. And she thought she would beat them in the end because she was the voice of reason, and she was fixing all these problems. But she wasn't realizing how explosive it was reading for him. And how dynamic it was reading. But no one can really pull that off because it was a an insane strategy with not of sound mind and. Buddy. And she helped enable his ability to do that. So I completely agree with you. But they they floated way off script. I mean, it seemed almost as if they had no plan and admits becomes so let's say that they were going to do what they did last week and everything had been the same to that point. Why not just boat out David or Devon's then and just sort of weekend? Ron and Eric that way rather than take one of them out directly and say, hey, I'm not going after our regional alliance. I'm are original alliance to the end. I'm just taking out your parachutes have been away the do it as well. But they made a boldly aggressive move, and then immediately backpedalled it. Yeah. Okay. Eric let me give you this question. This is from Stephen in South Carolina has a great question for Rick Stein. A Robin Eric this is Steven from South Carolina. So if Rick Devon's is viewed on the island as a person who won't win the game because they came back from extinction island. Whether that's the case or not whether only a few people believe it could rake use this to his advantage like a LA Mike white from last season. Even though you haven't seen that yet. Mike wide was viewed as a goat because of his celebrity status and his fame and fortune, and he used this to gain a ton of power and tries with because everybody wanted to go to the end with him. So if everybody wants to go to the end with writ because they see him as a co could Rick us all of this and gain a ton of power and almost control every vote just like Mike why did on the last what from the final seven on? And. If Rick Devon says, the new Mike why we use this first and last name, rob will you review newscasts from Rick. Devon's on news af and insult his career. Oh, yeah. All right. Thanks, guys. Love the podcast this actually, Mike white calling up to this. What a mo- GD think Rick Devon's would be well, according to him, we know. Yeah. I don't necessarily know if that was the case where people were saying, hey, let me take Mike white to the end because he has fame and fortune. And I think that might be undercutting Mike's game from last season. But that's for another story. But Eric, do you think that Rick is leaning into this enough of light? Hey, take me to the end. I can't win. Yeah. I actually if I were Rick. I would definitely do that. I would be all throw my hands in the guys. I already lost. I suck. I have no idea. What I'm doing here? I'm no threat to anyone. I'm just enjoying my second shot at this used me. However, you want I'm a mercenary here. And I think he's kind of doing it. But I would lean into it even more. However, if I was a player in the game, I would sniff this out from a mile away. And I would also know that he spent time as soon as I saw the edge of extinction players were on the jury that would not fly for me. If he presented that strategy to me. I'd be like come on, man. You have all the votes of all of the. Edge of extinction. Play right. However, if I were him, I would still try it. So. I think it's a good move. And I don't know if people are thinking about this. It's hard to get a sense, we can sort of when we see the secret scenes get a little more insight into what people are saying. But no secret teens this week on the one day episode. It's interesting. Yeah. Not enough. Not enough time. They basically I mean, Joe anglin climbing a tree or anything like no, those no there was no time for I mean, the the way that historically that these and when I say that means that I don't know from new seasons. But I know from when when I played in the nineteen hundreds but in the three day episode cycle, you know, you sort of have the day where there is a reward challenge today where you're filming a lot of interviews in a day where you are then getting ready for the immunity challenge and then tribal council so that there was no in between day where they filmed a lot of interviews for this episode. Right. Totally makes sense. Okay. Eric before we go any further. I wanna take a moment and thank one of our sponsors. And those are friends who bring US Open fit. This is something new that makes it even easier to never miss a sweat says arrogant, you never miss a sweat session. Right. Yeah. I don't even need to work out. Yeah. Lose the commute to the gym let the workouts come to you just like idea every day in my garage open fit takes all the complexity at a losing weight and getting fit. 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A special extended thirty day free trial membership to open it where you can lose up to fifteen pounds thirty days when you text the word, rob to thirty thirty thirty you'll get full access to open fit, all the workouts. Nutritional information, totally free again. Just text rob to thirty thirty thirty. Okay, Eric, let's get back to the voicemails. And let's check in with an old friend. Let's check in with a Thomas hear what he has to say about the comet tribe. Hello. This is not enough from Montreal. So how perfect would it be zero member of chemistry actually makes it? The Deloitte one visit. That would be quite poetic. I don't know if that will be possible. I think that's speaking numerically speaking, I think that. I think we would double episode coming up this week where people are going to home in this week's episode by my calculations. I think we're still going to have another week or two until we get to the loved ones. So. I don't know. I might be next. We might be the week after we get to the loved ones. Yeah. So, unfortunately, it does seem that some of them will will make Kip. But I mean, this has been covered ad nauseam. But it's like people playing for the jury on big brother pathetic. Who cares? I mean, it's thirty nine days. You'll see them afterwards. It's like, in fact, I believe I've told this story before, but I I think it is relevant here. I did win a phone call from home on my season of big brother, and I gave it away. And I told my family ahead of time that even though that could be as many as one hundred days that I under no way, shape or form wanted to hear one word from them. I didn't wanna take myself out of the game. I knew they were fine. I knew I was fine. And I can't for the life of me. Imagine why this is important to people in this experience. You'll see them soon enough and let alone to play for that. As a goal is really embarrassing. And I'm glad that they poked the hole in that. And let the air out of the balloon here. So. Hopefully, we don't need to hear this again in future seasons because I mean that's just laughable, right? And if somebody is telling you just hang in there for the merge for the family. Visit usually means you're getting a bad deal. That's a tally. Yeah. Absolutely. That's been one of. Hey, let's make it to jury. You're getting screwed. That's I agree. Is it so hard for them to just say to be end? I always said that what people should do is when they're hanging out by the fire. Right. Not a game talk. You say something very vague. And encouraging like boy, this is what I was dreaming of when I came out here. If one of us can be there at the end or a bunch of us can be there together at the end. This is exactly what I was hoping for. I hope for so many more nights like this. Then you've promised no one anything. You have not guaranteed anything. You're not going to have to go back on your word. And you've still reassured the people that you're sitting there with I don't understand why anybody would be like you're in my final ten my friends. Final ten. Little too specific or dish out seven final three deals. That's also not good game play. Right. When you say to your people like, hey, let's ride this out. And do this thing I'm going to be happy as long as any of us win. Good stuff. Good stuff from Eric Stein. Let me give you this question here from Dan. Hey, guys this Dan from New York. So I think a lot of survivor fan so points, the glue try for having the biggest meltdown post merge. And that started out when they voted out. Erik Cardona now commas having a similar to jet dri all starting from voting out, Eric haven. So Eric Stein, Ken, come take the mantle from glue for having the biggest try meltdown. And what is it about voting out an Eric that causes a tribe to self combust? Should you never vote out an Eric from your tribe? Is that really the takeaway? I don't know if you saw this. But right before we recorded the podcast someone had posted on Twitter about Eric having a real tough time on the edge. No joking involved. I thought he was talking about me. And I got all choked up, and I was like, oh, man. I have been a little on the edge lately this true. So I don't know. Maybe that's maybe that's it. There are just a real volatile cog in these things. And once. Once they go. It goes, Dan, the war dog Silva. As different. I wanted to know is it all digitally to vote Erica trip, Dan to Silva. Apparently, he's right around my age, and it lists his hometown. As one town over from where I grew up as well this. This is a pretty dynamic CBS reality pair right here. This could be my amazing race partner. Possibly maybe hometown friend, maybe pairing of war dog in Dino the dog. Yeah. Exactly where a dog and the puppy. Yeah. What's the exact opposite of a war dog? 'cause that's what I I guess that you are piece cat piece Kathy's puppy. He's key piece or Eckstein. Meek. Nobody can piece cat. I would play well on social media. I do like that. But I am very allergic to peace cats dangerous. So I was listening to airi'q out there on the edge. And he gave us a clip that I thought I meant to open the show with this clip from Iraq and. That's probably what everyone is thinking when they go to their podcast feed and see that it's a non survivor on the episode today. Yes. We opened the scene on the edge of extinction. This week with Eric's sad story about what was going on. And we get sort of air IX POV on things gonna suck. Read that on respected everyone else here. But it doesn't hit as hard. When you're the second person show when I showed up here in the foreigner cry did Eric not I was going to suck casino that Reema was going to tell the story again about when she was the first person to get there and read the sign he's probably heard it four times already getting there. It's going to tell the story again about the sign. She was the only one here. Nobody had his heart her again. I mean, he might be feeling a little less than when he arrived do Chris's Underwood's situation possibly as well. So you might be feeling really diminished and shrunken down on the edge now. No, absolutely not. That was that was not my takeaway listening to Eric talk about this. Because listen, listen to listen how inspired Eric was when he looked at Chris Chris comes back with a really big sting rate. And I'm thinking they're storing here for me to tell my kids go. Kids. It was me. Chris Underwood Joe in big Stingray. And the rest is island folklore what happens on the island stays on the island kids sit down for this one. I got to tell you about Kris Underwood's, huge Stingray. I mean, visiting kind of how I met your mother like Bob sagi- narrating the kids. About the time that I saw Chris Underwood's huge Stingray. Chris Chris come out of this. He he didn't realize he did play the perfect game. It was just for his recipes life outside of it. Yeah. I know that ream was impressed. Wow. Wow. That's what all of the five hundred pasts survivors will be saying these charity events. Well. Wow. Wow. All right. All right, Eric, we're talking about extinction. Let me play you this question. This is from Caleb from Oklahoma City. Here is Kahlo heireann, Eric this is Caleb from Oklahoma City this week on edge of extinction. We hear Eric talking about how in the game of survivor. Everything's going so fast. But then when you get to the edge of extinction. Everything just slows down we often hear how survivor is a sprint versus big brother, which is really race. So is the edge of extinction free much, just the survivor version of the big brother house. Also, how can we get ream into the actual big brother house? Thanks. All right piece cat. Tell me is the edge of extinction a lot like the big brother house. Oh, man. Yes. Veivers are finally feeling what it's like to live day in the big brother house. It is torture all day every day. I I have done very little with my life. I mean, I've taken full years where all I did was watch TV and and do nothing with my time. I thought I was the most cut out for the boredom as anyone humanly possible. And let me tell you. It is tortuously boring and you have nothing to do. And it's actually a big part of why people make mistakes in the game because you have nothing to pass the time it crawls by. That's why people sleep all day long on big brother because there's nothing else to do. So I do of course, it's one big extension, and and even the build off of that. I mean, the edge of extinction. Big brother it carries on into the rest of your life. You know, it's just one slow grind for the last decade. Should the big brother house have massed in the backyard? Oh, yeah. I think there's a. Yeah. I mean, I it's actually amazing that think that more people through the years have not hit the rate emergency, but into excuse themselves from the big brother house Dame goes in that regard. And I personally would never leave the edge of extinction. I mean, it's thirty nine days. Isn't it? A great story is integrate experience regardless of whether or not you win the game. So it's just kind of unsportsmanlike to leave. Then being said, if you're Wendy or keys, you don't have a chance in hell. So may as well, just go home. I mean, I feel like that should happen on big brother more often. You look around say this isn't working for me, the Muslim just call it a day. Well, I think on big brother will certainly in the beginning of the game. You know, you have a stipend. So I mean, you you are being paid to be there. I don't know what the survivor payout structure is on the edge of extinction. Well, some people on. Survivor actually have lives back home. If you get to go home. Well, that's just it. That's that's exactly what I was going to say. But you're still there anyway. But I could see why you might feel like you have something back to if you're on big brother you have nowhere to live otherwise. So you wanna stay for all hundred days. Otherwise, you're just go back to the streets. So yeah. Okay. Eric met on Twitter wants to know from you would you raise the mass on extinction. If Gallagher showed up to do a special celebrity performance that what makes you all to leave the edges extinction. Life you lead here in the big brother house. Ads affixed Titian. Are you kidding me? That would be the greatest team I've ever had Dallas sleigh on the edge of extinction. Think of all the coconuts. Yes. I mean that would be a great reward for the survivors to have Gallagher come to the edge of extinction. He's going to bring a lot of fruit. That's gonna get splashed onto you until you see Chris Underwood's act and his his mallet. Life you lead here. Big brother for the survivor fans. Don't know what we're talking about during celebrity big brother this season. There was a competition where where big brother brought the legendary icon ick comedian Gallagher to perform a comedy show in the backyard. Yes. And I would use the comedy the term comedy very loosely, and I think it was pretty safe to say that he did not know where he wasn't. He said he he knew he was in the big brother life, you laid here in the big brother house. You're right. I take that back. He obviously was very certain of his surroundings. Okay. Eric, I've got some other clips from the episode. So David, right. Do you think is David Wright getting a big head out there as a survivor returning player as David Reich on full third person here during survivor season, thirty eight Rick ni- voted differently because he wasn't willing to see my side of it the right side. What do you think with the third person? Yeah. The right side. T shirts are probably being printed up as we speak. That's probably going to be as as next sitcom script. I like it at Devon's in David Wright, starring in the right side the right side. What's the plot? I dunno Cochran Albright. It it'll be great. Okay. All right. Yeah. What what would be the ply? Probably they this is some sort of buddy comedy undoubtedly, they meet on a plane somewhere and they become roommates. Yeah. It sounds painful. Okay. Gavin ended up winning the reward challenge or the immunity challenge and was very happy to tell us about where he would be or what he was thinking about when he won can already say, my mom and dad, and my wife, and my brother say come on. We'll farther was Gavin really just going along way to do his borat impression. Moa was. When that be something if turned out he was playing the game. Andrea. Alter ego. Okay. All right. We've got some more questions for Eric Stein. 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When you do it with friends download ship for free at get shipped dot com slash RHA. That's get S H I P P, E dot com slash RJ. That's get shipped dot com slash RHA and start today. Okay. Eric. Let me have this question for you. Here's our good friend belief bay in Boston has a question for you. With next week looking like an episode of survivor where we're going to have to tribal councils, hey, revenue this Philippi from Boston. Maybe trigger warning for air. But I want to talk about potentially a double vote out or a couple of fiction for some because big brother does. And it's like a big event usually and speeds up the game. What if survivor to do like a double and of the dead in the past? But like more of a consistent Vogta to speed things along and get us with shorter. Finale. What do you guys think and have a nice day? Okay. So Eric, I presume that this week. We're going to have trouble council in the first thirty minutes and another tribal council that comes at the end of the episode, and basically it's going to be sort of like a just like two truncated episodes back to back in one night. But what about the idea? I know they've done in the past in some ways, but they go to that first tribal council and then spring it on them. Okay. It's going to be a second tribal council. But where it's been. Very yada, yada. In terms of like that happened that eight forty five and eight fifty five voting another personnel. What if like a big brother double vision night, we sort of like let the week play out a little bit more at tribal council. Yeah. I like it. I would love to see some of the early part of the game fast forward. And I know that would stink for the cast members that don't last long onto the show. But I've always felt that both of these shows like they allocate the the doubles, Andy, fast, forwarded episodes in the wrong way. We see so much of the early game on big, brother. I'd love to see, you know, doubles the first few weeks. Let's get to the people we actually care about. And that's where you should be speeding up the game. Instead, they always speed up the game and change the schedule and fast forward things way later in the game. When there's actually something going on that you care about. So for me, I'd love to see some of those. Free merge. Double tribals. I think that would be great. I mean, let's just get on with it. Especially when you're in the Gog ING phase of the game. Or you're in a smaller tribe, and it's very obvious that there are two people on the outs. Let's just go get it over with. We don't need to episodes to. Let's go. That's right because I just feel like with what we're talking about from the beginning of this podcast with the way that the game is going so hypothetically, right? We have our first tribal council. I booed happens at eight forty eight thirty five and then Jeff reveals like guess what we're voting somebody else out again tonight. And then, but sort of like, let's have the live tribal council. Let people strategize at like don't give them a heads up during the day that it's coming. So they can pick out to people that they're going to vote out like truly blindside them. Don't do it every single season. So they can't prepare for it. And I think that you would have some really good TV happening where if survivor wanted to recreate. At what happened in this episode of this past week that I think that this would be a really organic way to do that. Yeah. I do like that. And I think it allows four some really swift moves because you don't need to explain yourself. You don't need to answer questions for three days. So if you wanna make a big move that could be a really great time to do that. We do see that on big brother. Sometimes perfect example would be Andy during the double elimination. We flip the game. And just completely bamboozle people. I would love that. I'd love to give people the opportunity to really put the pressure on. And do they take the easy way out or do? They really go for something big in that moment. And and let it full that. I like that it's giving structure to what we were talking about before if they're going to be up and moving and it's going to be fluid anyway. Well, then say, hey, listen guys here we actually are gonna play some game while we're sitting right year. So they do the immunity challenge and immunity challenge could be what like a quiz or whatever. That's how they've done it in past. But instead of going right from alright so David. Right wins immunity in the quiz. All right. We're going to vote. Okay. Well, now, we're going to give you a few minutes to talk amongst yourselves about who should be voted out like or like, or Jeff could lead the discussion of Devon's do you think it should be tonight? And then let the discussion unfold from there. I think that that would be very fun. I like it. I like it a lot. And I like if we could add a mechanism where people have to own own their stuff in the public forum, even better I like that straight down the line and say, here's your chance to plead your case. It's now or never and see what people do in that moment what they're willing to give up to protect themselves. And what big moves might unfold in the moment. I think it'd be really electric and exciting, unfortunately for us, although the double elimination episode earlier in the season turned out to be a pleasant surprise the way that these things normally tend to go does make me quite worried for a rural and Gavin in this episode this sort of the chalk pick on in terms of so. This does feel like this was a double episode that was baked into the schedule. And then this first tribal council was just so crazy that ended up being its own episode. So I know that we're getting these two council, but yeah, I I am with you that if I had to guess, I think that the shock picks are Aurora and Gavin to go out and potentially Victoria right into the so to what you're saying. Then what will be the first half of this episode with intended to be second half of the previous episode. So therefore, they will not have a lot of footage that will inform that tribal in the first place. So by default that is automatically going to be shorter. So it says good time as any therefore too fast forward episode as well. Yeah. So we will see this upcoming aligns day nine Eric lemme play this question for you. And this is from Eric h has. Question for you about survivor, social media. And I'm interested to know how closely you follow. This Twitter press compasses are we in favour of? We like the Twitter and all the possible revisionist history being on there by I was a big on Julius season, and Victoria and speaking of both of them, they both kind of confirmed and going into a different question here, it kind of confirmed that for sure they knew they knew that. Julia was go to the vote. So if it was that obvious does it make it, and I know the rule about the Neidl is better in a play and get no boats to not play it and give obviously. But this make this now by David now, he got one vote a bad idle play or I guess guess Rick. Whatever. Either one is it bad. I don't. Okay, lit. Let's focus on the first part of it, Eric, this isn't I feel like I don't know what your opinion is on it. And I'm curious to know, how do you feel about the survivor players taking to Twitter, and then answering any unanswered questions that viewers have about the episodes? I don't particularly like it. Because I am in the camp where I think that no matter how hard they're trying to be in the moment or speak, only to what the viewers know. It is always going to be slightly tinged with they know the outcome of season. And who they are close with in real life and information that they have that we do not. So I understand where they're coming from wanting to paint, a more vivid picture, or when better to engage the fans than while the show is airing because we know the fifteen minutes are ticking. However, I think this works better if you could do it like in a live format or maybe they could sort of do interviews after the fact about something that happened at the time and then aired them now. So the feelings are in the moment. But when you are now going out there and putting out your feelings about what you're seeing the episode. I'm not concerned about you know, them trying to reimagined the edit or tell their own story that's perfectly fine. It's just do think it's a slippery. Slope where if you really wanna read into it? And we know that most of our level of fandom does really wanna read into it. There probably is something that you can take away from these exchanges. And I'm surprised that the show is so comfortable with everyone talking so freely about it. They certainly have not been in the past at least far as I know it really ebbs and flows of the way that CBS publicity has handled it where you know, you have seasons where it's really out of control like John, then they rein it back in in San Juan del sur, I feel like there was a point where sorta got out of control again. And then I feel like one of the recent seasons it was kind of rained back in. But now the toothpaste is like all the way out of the tube. And it seems like that it's it's a free for all. Again. It's kind of like a watch along or DVD commentary, one of David rights DVD's where you're watching back and and. Engaging along the way. So I understand like directors. Why that would be interesting, but not as it's happening because it's giving away too much. I do not like it. And it also seems enough or nothing, but a little defensive of the players not that I have not been defensive about my game. I don't think it's always the best look for them better the laugh along with it and say, you got me guys are oh, man. That was so exciting the watch or crazy. The relive it without getting into the weeds on this. I do not like and to the second point of the question. I actually don't think this was a bad idle play by them. I think it accomplish two things like they said it clears the deck no questions asked they can move forward in a cleaner manner. Both with each other and anybody else who who might have wondered. And when it's that chaotic if I'm David Wright, I'm not taking any chances. I mean, when someone has point blinked told you you are on the block, whether it's true or not or whether or not you think it's resolved itself in a certain way. I'm not going home that night. I'm figure it out the next day or go find another idol, Eric, do you think that a another idol will be hidden in play this week and hard to say, right? Because is this considered an island idle, or is this a special one time only, I'd already think I think that it is just considered an idol. And I think that. I don't have the numbers to back this up in front of me. But I kinda feel like three is a number that they're comfortable with in terms of idols in the game at this particular point in time. And so I do suspect that there will be another hidden. Yeah, I actually inclined to believe as well. I think that they've seen that the two item holders are sort of sitting on them as well. So I think they'd wanna promote idle play. Ideally. Although I would give it probably like ninety three percent chance that Kelly is the one who ends up with it. Anyway, Kelly with two idols. Yes. I mean, just like, for example, how when she was running challenge the last time around it just magically appeared in her box when she ran past just so convenient. Yeah. Okay. Eric would you like a question that I have not screened that has come in since we started recording this podcast? Yes. Yes. I like it. Flirts roll the dice with Jason Curtis. Rivera would rob. And it's Jason courage, the vim, and I got a question that might be a little bit in the weeds Obote, I think a couple of rider dad's such as yourselves will be able to break it down. Now, usually survivor production will see alliances together at travel council. Okay. For example, in survivor, South Pacific Cochran with sat right in between the two big alliances at the merge. So that in theory, if either alliance wanted to whisper in his ear, they could Jason's really stick into the Paula California a bit, it's it's paulie meets a young Casey Kasem, cadence, I like it. But then he travel the alliances were all over the place. Lauren and Kelly Wentworth were separated by Victoria, Ron and Julie were all the way to one side while Gavin Aurora and Julia were all the way to the other. Do you think survivor? Production is intentionally placing alliances not together. So that we can have these alive. Trouble councils, or do you think agitate off my tinfoil hat? Stay crushing it. Jason Curtis Rivera. That possible or they spreading out alliances. So that people have to get up and talk to their allies. Yeah. I don't wanna pull back the Kurt into here. But let's just go with the assumption that TV producers, we'll do anything to make the episode more entertaining. I think that that is not really much of a conspiracy theory. I think that there is intent behind most actions when you're creating a TV show. So if they think that the outcome might be a little obvious or that things might be getting stagnant. Of course, they're looking the shake it up and make it more exciting. So I think that is a well within the realm of possibility. Okay. All right, Eric, let's take a question of from another one of our listeners, and let's go out to Billy Billy has a question for Eric Eric my man, what is good my dude at his Billy. And I just wanted to know that we seen. Gene renamed stand the test of time on extinction island. But do you think that she can have Altemus tests of reality star longevity? And do you think that we will be seeing her soon on the website cameo dot com? Eric. That's a good question. Do you think that reams could go for another fifteen minutes of fame as a person on the website cameo dot com? Oh, she's my number one from this cast. I would I could pay easily eighteen dollars for a message from her. That would be I think she'd be dynamited that. But I think actually we can take this one step further. What doesn't she follow in the footsteps of our writer, DAI, paulie, California? And she could be the next person to port herself over the MTV could be the first forty six year old on the challenge. I actually there's a few that are close glove give cliff that was a question for you about who. On the challenge. But yet remote be good on cameo. But you know, a lot of people on cameo they want like happy messages. Happy birthday happy anniversary. And they're celebrating life's moments that I almost feel like that remove be an excellent person to deliver bad news to people. Yes. All right. So let's let's go through this year. I I know that you are in touch with your interim here. Let's try a couple of occasions and see what you think are cameo might be. Let's say it's my wedding anniversary what sort of advice, or well wishes might she have for me. It's day. Same day of the year of your wedding. I guess happy fricking anniversary, bro, you know. You know? That the years go by and it doesn't always work out. So happy anniversary enjoy it. While you got it, bro. Like a bird. They it's like it's like. Big deal. I have one every year. I had forty six of them all that happened or the last year was you didn't get divorced. So I guess my birthday came. I had this cake half MoMA ridges stay together. So you really just flip a coin. I think she'd be a good motivational speaker, though, she's like, you know, get your head out of your type of person here. It's like, you know, get out there, and do it get out there and do it because you know, what you could be out there that when I got to the edge of extinction on day three. There was nobody here there is nobody there assign to read the sign every day, and it wasn't the same. Whether you come here and date three six nine twelve that was different. You weren't the first person here that was me. I just I just love it. Because I was I was trying to get the situations. Like way way more out of hand. I was trying to imagine someone on the ship. Dating up. Referring her the Adam Klein just went way too far down the path, and I stopped paying attention to what you were saying trying to come up with the example, gotta win Klein that he's seems like a nice guy. I would I would I would tell Italy in his crew. He's a nice guy. But if he gets out of line with me, I will drop kick him. Okay. I would drop Cam right now. Yes. She should go on but cameo for sure. Eric mom, man. What is good? Just want to say. Thank you. You're one of the real ones. You are a writer die. You never been flip flopping never you've been here from from the beginning. Thank you. Eric at unlimited keeping awesome. I do. Is beef sauce? She has the chops. She has the jobs. I love it. Yup. I reconsider I'm going to raise the price from eighteen bucks. I think she can go for the full thirty for at least the first two weeks after the show get on there. Now while the getting's good. We love cameo dot com. Eric I had I had a game that I was I was working on for you. And it was it was I couldn't bring myself to do it. But it was called is this person on cameo dot com. Or are they deceased? Dead or on Kamya. I mean could could there be some overlap? No, no. I think I would actually be harder than you. Then you think I mean, the careers are dead of everyone involved. It's a tough call. I actually recently I had a family member who was going through some things, and I actually considered whether or not a cameo message for them might have actually bright in their day and cheer them up a little bit. So I wanted to try and figure out who would be a good person to purchase. But without giving away. What I was actually doing. So in conversation. I started saying, hey, you know, did you will enjoy this TV show, or what do you think about that person? And the response was resounding disgust for all of the want them. No, no. So we learn them. I didn't do one hundred and fifty on ice tea that would have been money poorly spent. If anybody wants to play the this person dead or on cameo game with Eric. And I and see if you can stump us on Twitter. We would welcome that for nothing. I also I saw BuzzFeed article recently, and it was who said this a spiritual guide or Connie west. We played that game over the summer with the Dalai Lama and Caitlyn Herman. People are there onto our games, rob listening. If anybody wants a freebie on is this person to see store on book Cammie Augie, I'll give you the the one the one to jump off from Ed Asner. Give you the answer. I think I was in a movie with him after what do you mean? And you were in a movie with him. I might have actually or I can't remember who it was. It was someone like I think he's dead. I don't know. We don't want to spoil it though. So we'll leave it up to the listeners. Who is the cheapest survivor to get a call from on book cameo by my research. How many dollars is this person going on? Survivor that you could get a cameo from for ten dollars. It's intriguing. I'm going to have to go. I don't know. I don't know that was the cheapest I found. Believer. Josh canfield, Josh canfield. And let me tell you who the steel on here on book cameo is none other than the teen sensation Michael yoga. This is a steel Eric how much just fifteen dollars for Michael Yager? I would pay more for that. Yes. That one's this one's a steal almost a one dollar for every year of his life. Somebody's this. When he's wearing a winter jacket with a shirt open for Stephanie going on stuff and Michael yoga here. Just wanted to wish you very merry Christmas on the half the year friend Melissa much love to you. And I hope you have a great holiday also shots. They go little low energy. I must energy what do you want for fifteen dollars? Well, I don't know. Yeah. What is good guy? You get what you pay for putting the money Ma Bank account. So by way, so turns out it was actually Ernest borgnine. I was in film, not as ner. Yeah. I mean, not everybody can be this high energy on book cameo. What's up, Barron? How are a happy day shine of Frankie? I hope you're doing super-duper. Well, wherever you are. Listen, I know listen when life happens we have to deal with it. Right. Like, oh, all right. Let's. Taste on or I was listening to I. You know, if it's as on because it's always going to kick off with moly. All right, Eric, lemme give you another question. This is one I think Kieran from Maryland had a lot of questions for you. Here's another one that he had about another big CBS reality show coming up Aron erica's care from Maryland. So next week a masonry starts and three three survivor teams around the team, Laura Coron and Elisa allies on my bed and my question to you. Eric is among the three survivor teams which team are you rooting for did curing. Correct. Elisa to alisha. Yes. Elijah the first line, and then he gets correct to Elijah Arab and erica's care of Marilyn. So next week amazing race starts rea- three survivor teams around the team. Ruben Laura Koran and Elisa allies on my bed. Elijah and Moses. I have actually several questions that go along to follow this question. Okay. The first one is is he taking the Aaron Robertson approach to the wand off your if enough noise males than at least one we'll get played that. What's happening? Yeah. The curated like he's one of our most consistent. No, I love hearing. I just liked the strategy involved there. I feel like it's a numbers game. And he's he's upping his chances. I really enjoyed that. And I appreciate it. Now. I am good friends with Elijah as it were. So that's probably where my brooding hat will lie. I have a bit of theory about this which is a little hurtful because I'm friends with several of these servers and big brothers that will be on the season. But just want to point something out here. Why is it that four of the iconic all-time great amazing race teams are on the show? And then some of the big brother and survivor teams seem a little less. Physically imposing a very physical game. And I wonder if this was cast with a little bit of home court advantage in mind to defend the crown it kind of feels as if you know, they put forth a Kim spread Lynn for if they were going to do these survivor version of this. And then had you know couple of wonky choice from the amazing race. You know, it's like, I I feel as if these are not the most physically imposing people that could have selected from the other two shows. So you think that they were going for some sort of a Globetrotters verses of Washington generals to use a amazing race actual team. Well, when you look at the field, and you're going to handicap it a personal biases and friendships aside the amazing race teams are looking pretty strong comparatively to some of the other teams in. This rates. Yeah. We'll see. I am pulling for I'm pulling for my friends to do. Well, and if not at least make excellent television along the way and even better, hopefully, do both and really actually I'd love my friends to win money because then they could drinks. Okay. All right. Let me see if I. Might be out of questions. I have a question for you here. So we heard this week on the know it all Stephen lead to the fact that you could have been on the amazing race. So I have two questions one is what sort of strategy. Would you take on the race? Do you think you'd play it straightforward or try and bring some of your survivor gamesmanship? Do you think we'll see some sneaky strategies sneaky sneaky, along the way from the survivors or secondarily, if not Stephen who else would you have liked to play with from survivor? Okay. So hypothetically speaking, I would say that I would really try to play the social game on the amazing race and really work very hard at making alliances. And basically anytime that all the teams are together. I would really do whatever I could to stir the pot because I think that I would go into the amazing. Race with sort of like zero illusions that I was going to win the amazing race. So I would just be out there trying to make good television. So I think I would just basically like be trying to say basically to every other team like oh my God. Like like, you guys are so cool. I can't believe what Nicole in Victor were saying about you guys on the plane, those they were really that was really uncalled for we love you. We love you guys Rupert Laura. An orange Asia. You guys are the best. But that was really that was messed up. I would just be trying to stir the pot as much because I really just like it when people fight on the amazing race. Yeah. I think this is good. Because if you get like w turned you're definitely fruit. And I think I would play very similarly because I can't drive stick. I get nauseous reading in the car. I'm a mediocre swimmer. Can't ride a bike. I have a terrible sense of direction. I would be no asset other than social your strategically. So like, you know, I think I would be really on the cusp of though like rules of the game like trying to hide people's passports and stuff. I remember back in the day. Eric Sanchez told me that on amazing race all stars that used to call back the cab companies and cancel other teams cams, and then they had to make a rule that they weren't allowed to do that anymore. That's how I play. I really wanna play on the margins on the amazing race. I think I would like having fun than what the hell's the point. And if you're not going to be good TV great is like you call and order a cab. And then I call back, and I'm like, hi, I'm rob thought. Sorta cab don't need it anymore. My mind. Yeah. And in talking through with Stephen fish back the problems that we have very similar skill set. I would think and so I think that there would be a pro. So I would think that I would ideally prefer somebody that has kinda different skill set them that could do some more of the daredevils challenges that come up on the amazing race. Yeah. I mean, you Joey amazing actually would be a nice complement to your skill set. Right. He could put put us on our shoulders while he does the physical tasks, right? And then you guide this strategy you need a physical partner. I think that would be better. If you can have somebody else who was different enough from you. I think that two of the same is not necessarily good on the amazement unless like two of the same is like, you know, jacked up by athlete who can also do choreography and puzzle. Paid in the choreography. But I will say this though, I think you might be selling yourself and you guys short as potential team because I think the one thing that is interesting about amazing racist. You don't need to be the best. You just need to be not the worst. You guys would have read your clues. Well, and if you don't make a gain crushing mistake it anytime, you can stay in the mix. So as long as you're not the one to do something disastrously dumb each round. I think you're still in there. So I would have liked to see it. Well, I think there would have been a lot of fighting because just a little bit of talking it through about. Okay. So who would do what? And I was particularly infuriated at one point when in talking about what about okay, so the bungee jump. Okay. Who's going to do that? And because I don't wanna bungee jump and Stevens said, well, I don't wanna bungee jump either. I said he's like you. So you have to do. Why do I have to do it? And he said, well, do you know how bad that is for your brain to go bungee jumping I could get CT. And I was like why is your brain so much more important than my brain. Also, leave it to Stephen to treat the amazing race. Like, it's full contact world. Very very insulted that like, well, your brains and good for anything. So you take the CT. Really? I think also there's not only that. But there's also like the implication that like he's going to be the one that needs to do the smart Celli L, my brain like hand can't go bungee jumping you went college. The French translations and year off getting concussions on every. Yeah, listen, you could get that brain knocked around and still do what you do podcast. Boy, I think that if I were on the amazing race. I'd be the first ever contestant to never even make it to L A X was just there like landed in Brazil done with all the challenges. And I'm still driving around in Burbank somewhere. I like stuff for in and out have a couple bathroom runs. Directions are not my strong. Yeah. Silly many many many moons ago had a brief interlude where it looked like for hot minute that that was a possibility for me as well. And I just I couldn't even put myself in that spot. It would have just been. So so bad. It would have been great just so bad to do the amazing race. Well, I would have loved it. I would never I love traveling. I would I would love to roll cheese down a hill somewhere or what have you? It's just could not imagine someone less equipped to do. Well, Joe than me. Okay. Eric do you have a take on the winner of the edge of extinction? It's interesting. I keep going back and forth on this and last week, obviously, it's a complete non starter. But this week. I think it's it's feeling like Rick Devon's again. Yeah. No. I think so what scenario unfolds in which he's getting eliminated anytime soon. And then he he's playing in this sort of light and easy breezy manner. He's going to have the votes, and it's very. You know, like it's Representative of the season in the season twist. I mean, the only other person at this point who I guess, I could talk myself into Julie probably, and that's starting to feel like those are those are the options to me. Yeah. I've been thinking similarly, but I'm not necessarily sure how we get. There is a possible can Rick Devon's get voted out again and come back again, I think that is in the realm of possibility, but it would really depend on the type of challenge. We're looking at eight does look like the competitive field is going to be a far more treacherous won for the second return. And it is interesting because we thought that this was by designed to continue getting screen time for the returning players. But I don't think we've seen. We've barely seen Joe since she's been out. There haven't been those hero moments where he built them a new shelter from scratch, you know, using his swimming Funk's and things along those lines. So it's kinda surprising to me. Yeah. I don't know who is coming back who is your front runner at this point for who you expect to see back in the game. I think Joe is the front runner the comeback in. I I guess Aubrey is probably second because she has the ability to practice in the competition. Yeah. I'm going to give a hot take care. I should probably stop before this even comes out of my mouth. But I'm just going to say Joe Aubrey in my estimation. They didn't need to play again. So soon they didn't spark for me this time around Joe has kind of told us historian what he's all about. And I like having that dynamic on the show. I am not anti challenge beast. I'm not against hard workers. I see the role it plays in the show. But he didn't bring anything new this time around and unfortunately for Aubrey she was too much of a threat and returns diminishing now a little bit, you know, after game changers. I would have liked to see her. Have a little bit more time off before coming back to this game. They they haven't excited me Kelly, David half. I know they've had more opportunity to do. So. But I just thought it was a weird mix of people in the first place. You know, I can see how they got themselves to David for sure Kelly. Great. She's on an upward trajectory the other two though for me, not the most inspired picks. Okay. Eric how do we see the rest of the season going? So we're on the same page. We think that could be Gavin Aurora out in a double episode that gets down to what eight people left in the game. I think that's either Victoria there. That's the less five plus of Victoria, Ron and Julie what happens there? You probably reignite the Kelly versus David who's gonna get who. I that feels to me like that one more person there, and then let that play out at seven. Well, I think that that is what they should do. I'm not inserting. That's where they would do. But that's how you get to someone like Juliet potential winner is that they can't leave well enough alone. And ultimately trade off pieces at that point or one side gets the upper hand because I think that that is the most likely scenario is that now we've reversed field now, we're wiping out the commas here. And then I think the let's us are going to be unable the finish the job. They're going to turn on each other. I mean, they're not gonna wanna be sitting next to each other in a final tribal, although if I were them, I would I would shake on and say, hey, let's just let the best person win hash this out later because it's the only way they're going to get there. But it feels like the type of season where the big dogs are going to trade blows back and forth. Eliminate themselves and someone is going to kinda just be left to pick up the pieces, and it's just gonna be like who is the lesser of evils, and you know. Yeah. The less you all evils. I'm surprised that hasn't been an yeah. Yeah. I mean, Jeff does tip is hand. Sometimes right. And we haven't been hearing him raving about how we have a top ten all time winner of a season. So that makes me worry for Kelly or David or someone along those lines. And I don't see Ron's half at this point. So I think the the options I could see lower in winning still. Okay. All right, Eric, I know a lot of people are waiting to get your opinion on did you want to touch on Lori Laughlin and her ongoing scandals. Oh my God. What into Bockel? I love it. I love it. I I mean, the ablation I would probably do the same thing if I had money, you know, this is the most white collar crime you could ever possibly commit, you know, although. I just thought the irony that this episode essentially existed in the full house library. That's what put me over the edge here at the time. I just was in utter disbelief to remember that there was an episode in which Jesse wanted to do this for NICKY and Alex. So it's like, maybe she somewhere this incented into her mind. She got here as waiter. Yeah. Yeah. She saw she saw repeat gotta syndication check and said, hey, that's not a bad thought right here. Okay. Eric. I'm looking at your Twitter. I love your I accomplished a ton today. Hashtag, April Fools. Yeah. It wasn't my most productive day of the year. Okay. All right. Eric any anything else? You wanna talk about why do have one final question recording this on national grilled cheese day. Love a good grilled cheese. I was curious though, what you think Jean grilled cheese might be one about the pizza. We just saw the Chinese food is this like an unmelted cheese sandwich as this been microwaved. What how do we take this from the delicious treats that we are celebrating on this holiday into what they would serve after award challenge. So the problem with survivor food is that anything that needs to be like a specific temperature is a problem. So grilled cheese. I think your mileage may vary. I think your best bet there might just be like, you know. Put some make some cheese sandwiches. Let them sit out in the Jian sun for an hour to they prep the challenge. And that might be the best bet to make the grilled cheese. And then have it sit out there. You know, it's humid. There's a lot of things that could potentially go wrong with any food item on survivor. What if ream had to climb all of the stairs. And what awaited her was a grilled cheese? How would you react to that? I climb all these steps they told me it was national grilled cheese day, and I got up to the top of the stairs. And they told me that it was going to be some sort of a grilled cheese. And I was like does that mean there's gonna be a grill that I have to make cheese with and I found the sandwich, and let me just tell you. It was SOGA with the best sandwich that I've had in like a three weeks pro. I love it. I yeah. That's a big brother. Also, it's not just a survivor, although there's no excuse on big brother like we're just living in LA, the food should be perfectly fine. But they'll like take in a special treat someone's birthday, but they won't serve it to you for five hours. Get you know like in and out burger, but it's ice cold. Now. Yeah. It's been sitting in the storage for him. All right. The great Eric Stein at air Eckstein tweets, Eric are you looking forward to we got the amazing race coming up. And then that's going to be the bridge to take into big brother Twenty-one. I do love the wall to wall. CBS reality coverage I've been waiting for the amazing race. But now that we're here. I love the fact that we don't need to go a long time in between seasons. It's something to keep us talking all year round. And I I'm excited. I'm going to premiere party Wednesday night. Russia Joe for Elijah the. Great character from the bible. And we'll see how it goes on. All right. How was the reality takeover? Oh, I got a lot of comments. Apparently. I am no longer known for big brother of IM known for the podcast Stein. Yes. Okay. Quite surprising. That's that's great. That's great. Yes. I caught up with Billy Garcia from reality game masters. None. It lots of interesting people there. I did meet some people for the first time some nicer than others. It was interesting. Okay. All right. Looking forward to hearing more about that. All right, Eric Stein. Great work, always a thrill to get to catch up with you. Of course, we've got a lot more still to come this weekend. The tabulates Kirk Clark is going to be my guest on this week in survivor. We're gonna talk with him at everything going on. And then we'll hear from Jordan Kayla on this weekend. I've ever history quiz. Jordan kenniston steal any beers from utility. No, he did give me a high five though. I. Broke clap pug situation. Yeah. He was on fire. It was not difficult to envision the scenario that he described as unfold. All right. And then we will get back to Josh Wigley and the wiggle room this week as the wand off rolls on what one offs will come in. Eric a prediction on the number one one off this week. That's actually a very good question. No, I'm excited to see. I will say this that just nothing to do with your question. It's just a complete non sequitur. But last season I had in my mind already pinned a John Morrison one Dauth to the tune of Hogan's theme song real American and for weeks. I was waiting for him to get voted off. So I could call in and seeing wrestling related wand off. And then I just completely forgot very very deflating. Okay. All right. We'll have that coming up and then Stephen pushback, and you're going to be in Philadelphia Pennsylvania with a cast of thousands as we get ready to recap the next episode of survivor for our live show for the season Arabic. Oh my goodness. I have seen the crew that you're assembling. This is going to be one for the ages. And this is not stick. I am not going along with your promotes. I wish I would be there. What accrue? This is going to be such good times. This is gonna be madness. I love it. Yeah. I wish I I've assembled this crew that Bryson Wendell have assembled a crew of more survivors than I know what to do with. Oh, yes. I cannot wait to see you panicked. Trying to negotiate getting them all on stage to give the most time to it's saying Hello to them at the bar. Car while you're also juggling with the feds gonna be great and complementary Creamer for all. Okay. All right going to be a lot of fun. Of course. Thank you to the patrons of rob. As a podcast who make all of this possible. You can find out more about everything we're doing on patriots. Head on over to rob has a website dot com slash patron. For more information. Our secret patron only podcast feed everything that we have going on in the patron community. Rob has com slash patron. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you, Eric Stein. And we'll talk the syndicate everybody. I.

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Survivor 38 | Edge of Extinction FINALE EXIT Interviews

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Survivor 38 | Edge of Extinction FINALE EXIT Interviews

"Comedy live from the red carpet of the survivor edge of extinction finale. It's rob has a podcast and. Wow. This was not the ending of the season. That was prophesized that it looked like for a couple of weeks, Rick Devon's looked like things were trending and his direction. But no, it was somebody from the original mono tribe, who went to the edge of extinction who wins this game, and it was Chris Underwood. We are going to have reactions from the final six six-year tonight, after a really shocking show, hope you check out, Stephen fish back and Shapiro on the survivor know it. Alls as well. Also be live with Stephen fish back on Thursday on fan crowd. We're gonna turn that into a podcast if you wanna take questions, and we'll also have Josh Witter on this ever feedback show. But let's get to talking to the final six starting. With our winner. Chris underwood. All right. Every we're here with the winner of survivor, the edge of extinction, and to me, this was the most unlikely win in the history of the show. I did not see this coming here, he is, is Chris under what shocker? Did it for Monica? I did it for Monica Monica's Froude wherever markets, she's happy. Oh my God. Chris that everybody came into tonight. Oh, it's Devon's Devon's Devon's. And then here you came. And then the first time I said, hey, wait. Hold on a second. I saw you at the edge of extinction people, and I saw this suit and I said, boy, Chris's, dress, really, well, here tonight you didn't think word was dresses equally. Nice that's I don't know. I said, I said, hold on, Chris and Ron Clark Ron Clark. I think he wears a suit every day. Chris's dress, really. Well, I wonder if he's the edge of extinction person did not think that you would win it. I had up hill battle for sure. Still. I mean it's still surprising. It's still a shock. There were a lot of good players on this season. We can both agree this was a hard aggressive season. A lot of big moves a lot of people got sent to Jerry because of those moves. So I knew going into. I had to impress some people if I was going to earn their vote, it was such a surprise that we didn't see a ton of you on the show. You laid low on social media you were laying in the weeds. And then here you come on finale night, and have like the biggest episode of anybody's ever had. Well, you know, they worked really hard, Jeff and Matt worked really hard on this being a total shock to everyone. So I, I knew it was part of my, my role, delays super-low not, not engage. At time, my wife and I just sitting on the couch watching every episode just saying, you know, you'll get your shot you'll get your shot. It'll come it'll come. So we're here we did it. We made it with. It's all over. I can't believe it. It's coming on. When you talk to Lauren about playing the immunity idol did Kelly actually say anything to you about that Lauryn needs to make a big move with her idol. I know that let. That Kelly leak that learn how the idol did you make up that part about that? She needs to do something with it. Yeah. We spent we'll say, I did spend time on the edge of extinction with Kelly. So all the secrets all the things they whoever was getting back in the game had information. But I knew that, that Lauren needed to create a resume for herself. That was larger than Rick and it was bigger than Victoria. How is that going to happen? It was going to play. She was going to have to play her idol now. I had already known that Rick Rick Saidles real. When I had that conversation with her, so at that point, it was planning seeds to, to have her use it for me because if she played it incorrectly. And I was the cause of that, it would my resume and diminish hers, I had to do it. Let's talk about you going into making the fire making challenge. I know that you guys had seen ghost island right before you left. How much was dominance decision in your head? When you. You went out there. I mean not only Dominic decision but, but go silent. I mean, we can agree go silent. There was passive game play. Our season was hyper aggressive gameplay, and people that were really good voted out, because they were taking big swings early on the the ultimate. The alternate thing that, that was, I guess I don't know. The only thing that could have happened was for someone to, to, to win it fire. I knew that I had to take the necklace off. I knew I had to win final four munity. I knew I had to take my necklace off and I knew I had to beat the top competitor. And so it was direct correlation to too dumb inability to do that. I was like, all right. If someone whoever wins they've, they've got to earn it. They've got to earn it big time. So when Devon's played the idol on Gavin at the final five, that's that was a shock to you, and not a surprise that you necessarily liked did that play into your factor of then not taking Devon's to the final three surprisingly enough, it actually didn't. We talked earlier that day about who the idol would be played for. We felt like we felt like Gavin would be a better person than Lauren to bring into that final three final four for either of us. And so that was the decision we both talked about. And then he, he gave it to Gavin sort of some of it was was was show for the show for the jury keeping them on their toes. It was a fun tribal. We knew that we knew that they're going to be played that night. So the fireworks going off. And so I told him I was going to I was going to play my idol last night. We're use apprised to get the votes at the final tribal council being person who was voted out of the game going into final tribal. I was proud of the game. I played I couldn't have played a better game. I there was no other possible outcome than than what transpired when I got back in. And so I had to effectively, you know, rela- that to the jury, I did not know what was going to happen that night when everyone raised their hand saying I do not know cast my vote for it was long hundred percent. True like we didn't know who's gonna win but towards the end. Wanted to feel the tide start to shift. Once I once I breakdown, how exactly I was I was playing it. It definitely definitely paid off. I want to ask you a question that I had written for Rick Devon's this afternoon. Okay. How can you help people who are averse to somebody getting voted out winning the game? How can you help those people process? This news. I think the, the student of the game as a student of the game, the only way to process, it is to know that no matter how much you think you know, you really don't know much at all. And survivor is going to throw twist because they don't want to have someone come in and think they know exactly what the perfect game is. I mean what a long shot for me. I thought I was gonna play perfect game. And I had no idea that this twist would completely effect the entire season. That's the beauty of survivor. It continues to reinvent itself, you have to understand that you gotta be adaptable, you gotta you gotta evolve. So I took that for what was worth you did get hosed on your first your one and only vote out of the game that really was that you really got set up there for the fall. Yes, I definitely did you know? As far as the narrative standpoint goes, like it had to follow a storyline. The Devon's David's vote against me, was the real blindside. No, they had wore dog where I told her dog. The plan reality is that the plan that meet talking with dog was, hey, the option may be Kelly. It maybe I don't know yet. He we had that conversation a day before we lost the immunity challenge. He at that point on his head. Hey Chris has plans like he's he's thinking about the game. And I didn't think he was thinking, and, and Rick and David. Would that conversation with David? And I was David was acting. He's acting pretty good because they had already been planning on voting against me and trying to flush Kelly's idol. So I was when I got I was shocked 'cause why would they do that? And then surprisingly enough, they played from the bottom for the rest of their times in the game. So it you know tale of two two cities. What was that term Heathrow at the final, Trump a reverse negative? Yeah. And is that fair to call this? When we get to the evolution strategy chapter chapter thirty eight part four should with this chapter be called the reverse negative. Yeah. The negative reverse the reverse. Yeah. You know, I mean, there was an element of manipulation at the end of the day, you know, I had to play to her. Unite evidence. I guess, like I, I needed to be way less. Okay. I needed her to be my savior and I needed to play a kind of like I needed. I was like, I'm I'm your vote. You gotta use me. You gotta use me. So I played a little bit to her her ego, just because I knew she needed something big to happen. And I knew that I had to kind of orchestrate that if it was possible, Chris, congratulations, on your recent marriage and you thank you, three weeks. I mean, this is a lot a lot for the month of April, may for sure. A lot going lot going on. And that, yes, you're lucky wife is married to the winner of survivor. She's, she's man. I mean she's a rockstar. It was pretty emotional tonight, hugging her, and she was crying. And I mean she'd be a killer survivor player talk about someone who's she's awesome. We're really excited for the next season of life, and I'm taking it easy after this, we're, we're still in honeymoon phase. So we're going to enjoy this this season together for sure. Was there any vote that you got that you were surprised that you did get, you know, this, this cast is they're huge fan? So we haven't even I haven't been able to really talk to them about who voted for who. I think the people that I felt I was surprised most by maybe probably Ron were dog. You know, I don't even know if Eric voted for me, it's still coming out slowly, but the people that were, you know. You know, the super strategic side, right like you can't win. If you can't win the game if you want him Unity's you can't win the game. If you play idols you have to be strategic those players if I earned their respect than that was. I mean that was. Awesome. Well, Chris, congratulations on the unlikeliest of wins. It was so exciting, though, to be here. The audience was totally into it by the end by the end of the night. So cliffhanger. That's a cliffhanger, right there. They love excitement. But Chris, thank you so much. I hope that we have a chance to talk about everything and hear about the edge of extinction and all this stuff down the road. We'll break. We'll break it down. I'm excited to give some with you Q four to all right. Your winner. Chris under what Chris, congratulations, route. We are here with our runner up from edge of extinction, Gavin and Gavin. How are you? I'm doing okay. I'd rather you say winner of survivor edge of extinction, runner up still proud. You got right there. Jeff Probst said that, that was not a bad showing though. It's not a bad show on, but being survivor superfan. You've played survivor. You don't play for second place. You come to win the title, I've still got a little hunger and my got a fire there. But that's just part of it. You know, I still stand by everything that I did do you feel like that. Your game was misunderstood by the jury or they didn't know a lot about what you had done out there in the game. Because I think that you were involved in a lot of these big flips that happen, I was involved in all, and I'm not sure if it was a mistake on my end not actually being vocal about the moves aid, and that could have been double edged sword because I was quad at traveled councils, that was also because I see all these people who are allowed and travels their public enemy number one next. It was more dog. It was Rick. All these people who dominate travel councils are realize that, hey, we need them out, Nick. So that, that was my strategy. Didn't pay off. But yeah, I think I was underestimated in the game. Was there anything that you could have done differently that was going to change the outcome? Tonight. One hundred percent. I stick my decision on eight. I don't think anything that I could have done. What changed outcome? I think the only thing that would have made me the is if I would have been able to make fire, I think otherwise, people are voting for Chris because the way they feel about Kris people are voting for me. Because the way the feel about Mesa, if in another world could made fire maybe I'd have million bucks in my pocket. Now, I don't wanna put words in your mouth Gavin, but it looked like to me watching that final tribal council. You seem a little bit annoyed that there was an edge of extinction twist. And that here was somebody who voted out very early on in the game was not in the game where you were there for thirty nine days didn't get voted for. And it seemed like that. The fact that this was even an option seemed like it was a little unpalatable. Yeah, it did rub me their way and in no way, shape or form that toward survivor. I love survivor so much this has meant the world to me. But the game I played was not meant for age of extinction. I meant to I came out here to play classic game survivor survived. Thirty nine days didn't have a single vote against me, and that's what I intended to do before the game started. Yeah. Edge extinction, work. Chris, it didn't work for me. And you can't plan for still. I'm proud of the way I played. I didn't wanna get voted out to go to edge of extinction. That's not a strategy in my mind. You know. So. Yeah. One of the bigger moves that you made that didn't really get talked about a lot after the fact was when you guys voted out, Eric and that really did change things up because that really did break up, comma, after that point. What, what do you make Joe angle has walked in with a with a short haircut as as, as we're talking here with Gavin? We'll get we'll get to Joe later on. But what was your reaction when you finally caught up with him? So the first time I caught up with Ponderosa he could tell he was still disappointed. And whenever I started talking to these people could tell there was still a little bit of her animosity, or whatever it was. I thought I'm not being trouble. You know, I finally come to realize ation, but with Eric, you know, like the day, after we headed out or super close now. Love Eric, Eric still in the greatest human beings on this planet. But the thing with Eric that wasn't shown on TV is I had a similar conversation that showed Julia have, you know, I, I came up and I was like Erik. It's time to make the move was like we're going to have seven we're going to outweigh this majority toil said it was going to be me owned Victoria, and Julia. With dog Kellyanne horn. I said, we can get us saving, then we'll get to the seven that's us for the comma four in a majority says that's final four that, you know, he was skeptical about it. He wanted to keep David and Devon's around, and that's what set off no arm in my head. Because I thought if push comes to show, David Evans, our side, with Eric, Ron, Julie. So, you know, I made the decision and I still sick with it because it got me today. Thirty nine one of the things that we talked about during these last couple billets was Devon's is making the big show at tribal council. Hey, let's, let's vote out Aurora. Tonight. Everybody you guys had already agreed to that plan beforehand. Yes. Did you feel like you wish that you could have let the jury know? Hey, Devon's has nothing to do with what we're doing tonight. Looking back at it. Now if I could change one thing, I would make sure people were aware of the moves that we were making stead of what it looked like someone else's doing. But another thing is part of my strategy, even though it didn't pay off for me this, I wanted to be silent and travels, I didn't want the target on my back because if you're a huge prison that's travel. Councils your next off the block just score dog and David and all these guys, you know, they're great. At travels. I'm thinking, we gotta get them out next there, going out, talk final trouble council. You know. So that was part my strategy that probably didn't work out. There was stuff like that. That might have looked like someone else made the decision whenever the decision had been made me Gavin wheel. No. You pushed your wedding up to go and play survivor was was your wife unhappy that you didn't win the game. I know she's not unhappy. I haven't been able to talk to yet that she might be happy. I'll. Tell you right now. That's not my life. I know she's got a big hug waiting on me and she couldn't be more, proud. I mean she told me that before, before it's not, you know, told Jeff tonight like I knew before going into foul trouble council. I knew leave and foul trouble council. I was a winner, because I know she's going to be waiting at the airport. Lover so much. I'm very lucky. You're very lucky guy. Gavin has pineapple shirt here tonight. It's a little more subdued than what is your connection to pineapples before survivor? I had no connection to pineapples but I thought, if I'm going to g I need to dress like, I'm going on vacation, that might be another way people underestimate me. You know, this idiot wearing the pineapple shirt, you know. You know, once once the show started start seeing on Twitter. People aren't calling me Gavin. They're saying pineapple boy, pineapple. I get that if that's what they want. You know, then that's what I'm gonna do got on the pineapple sucks. Wow. It's just became a way off. And I remember yeah, we're you surprised Victoria, you're, you're writer die in the game. She didn't vote for you in final travel council. See. And I still thank you for telling me that because I still haven't seen who voted for who. But that is very surprising because I could swear, she said she was voting for me going into going into the vote. So that that is surprising. But I'll ask her about it ask her about it. But I'll talk about also there's, there's no feelings of animosity or anger towards anyone. It's a game the game's over. But yeah I mean stuff like that. That's what's things is because had the roles been switched outta voted for Victoria, Victoria had my vote because we knew the game she is playing she knew the game I was playing. I mean. I mean does it hurts a little bit? It's part of it. I know it's a longtime in between from when you guys film until now, did you think at all over the almost year since you guys played that maybe you had the votes and the final travel council before final trouble council? Our one hundred percent confident I thought I had it won. And then once I went into trouble council kinda read the room and I realize, hey, some of these people are, are feeling me and but that's just part of it. And I would still like, no matter what even remember on my honeymoon, which is the worst time to be thinking about survivor on a honeymoon thinking they probably voted for me turns out, they did you know it does. It's hard. But something I gotta live with nail Gavin. I know you gotta run, but great job that I love to hear more about your game down the road. I would love to be part up has a podcast anytime you need me. I'm there. All right. Cool gavin. Thank you so much. Congratulations. All right. Everybody where here with our third place finisher on the season. We have that in common. Oh, yes, we do Julie, Julie's here, Julie, how you doing after tonight? I'm doing well I the whole experience for me was incredible. And no matter how I placed I made it thirty nine days, and I'm just like so grateful to have had this experience. You think that you had it tonight at all? I don't know. No. I mean, I feel like I was very realistic about my game and going into the final tribal. I kind of knew how things we're going to go. So I did my best I argued as much as I could. But I'm not surprised the votes. It seemed like at various points. Tonight, Rick Devon's talked about how, hey I did a lot for Julie. And she didn't ever repay the favor. Did you feel like that? That was the case that Rick was making something. I mean I can't say it's one or the other, I feel like the one that like really pushed to keep rigging the game during the merge. I made that connection with them right at the feast and for all we know he would've been around. It wasn't for me. So I did do that. But in terms of our relationship, we have a great relationship, but it got your point, you saw the jury reacting to him, every time we walk into tribal, there's no way that I wanted to sit next to him in the final three. So it's. I did what I had to do it like that. The jury was trying to find out what what was your biggest move in the game. And you talked about that, that tribal council where Julia ended up going home. Did you have a lot to do with war dog going home in that vote? Because for me watching it seemed like you did. Yes. Absolutely. It wasn't just the Julia. But you know there are other players that I was in on the vote for and that, I really did sit there with Larne in our spa award and sing like I think we need to get out were dog, like I was pushing hard for that, and he ended up going home. So like, there are moves that I made but I'm not going to take one hundred percent credit like we all did it together. But I push my agenda, heart. Can you talk a little bit about your reaction to finding out that Chris was going to go into that final four fire making after it was a day of practice with with two seemingly? I mean, I kind of knew the whole day, there's like there's no way, Chris, putting me into the fire making challenge. A guarantee that somebody knocks out Rick. So I knew he was going to give up the necklace and when he did it, it's like I always wanted to take the necklacing like Chuck it in the fire because I wanted to earn my spot there. I didn't want it to be given to me. But it is what it is. And Chris did the thing that he should have done. It was correct me if I'm wrong view really worked hard on the fire. I did I did. So Chris what before the game? Yes before the game. Absolutely. I ordered like mini machete and Flint from Amazon. And I worked hard for like the month before I knew I was going. I was trying to make fire every day. And I did I absolutely made fire and I'm proud of it. And I, I feel like I could have done it that night to congratulations, on your immunity, at the final six putting that puzzle together was that similar to what you do with making all those toys putting those wooden blocks together. It's not the same that puzzle was a lot more intense than anything that I've created and sold on my Oetzi shop, so. The fact that I do work with wood, and I do work with puzzles I do think it gave me a leg up in that challenge. How frustrating was it for you if at all at all of those votes where Devon's no matter what had immunity, time after time after time extremely frustrating? I mean, look, I love the guy I would've been rooting for the guy if I wasn't still in the game sitting there, so. But it's like it's Eitel after idle after immunity win and advantage is being sent to him. So it's hard it was, it was a hard thing to have to sit and watch knowing how the jury felt about him, and they were so outspoken vocal about it that I knew we were in trouble. Did you feel like that you had moves that were on in the game that we didn't get to see in the TV show? There's so much that you don't get to see I feel like survivor shows a sliver of what our experiences out there and just from day, one, like I spent a lot of time, building relationships that, unfortunately, never got shown because common never went to trial. Council so day one, Eric, Ron, and I immediately lions we said, we were the older ones we have to protect each other. We then formed a group with Gavin Victoria, and. Julia. And we caught ourselves commerce six for all that time that we were together, and I was building one relationship after the other, but it never really got shown, do you feel like that had come stayed together state, calm strong throughout this whole thing that this might have changed the result or no matter what that Chris is coming back into the game. And there's nothing you can do about it. You know, I do think things would have been very different, but who's to say it's such an unknown. I mean, we decided right after the merge to vote out Joe so that kind of broke, comma, and then I was shocked when Eric obviously got voted out, so that just set things into effect that I'm sure the game would have played very differently. If comma had stayed together. Julia counting the votes in my head, and I would bet anything, you got Ron Clark's vote in this final accounts at the same thing. Rob, but what happened? It's fine. You know, I run and I have a great relationship, and I think that he probably knew based on. You know being Ponta Rosa, how the jurors talk that I wasn't going to get many if any vote. So instead of throwing his vote to me to be nice. I think he wanted to influence the game. So he voted, I don't reverted for, but he voted for who he thought should win Julia. Well, I gotta do ton of interviews tonight. So very nice to chat with you whole that hope to see your, very handsome, husband somewhere around here, he was you since he's been here. I need to see him in the hotel said. Hey, are you rob? And he started cracking up. He was like, no. But I know I know who you are. So it was circle joy all about. Okay. Thank you. Bye bye. Nice meeting. I'm just wiggle. Throb Sester Nino. Welcome to the wiggle room. What what happened? Dude, you got that. Am I dreaming? Lame. Chris, I don't know if this story was told from the perspective of the players that were out there, but to almost person who's got this Rick Devon's. I think this was the surprise of all surprises and not a not a pleasant one for your pleasant surprise came later. Yes. Yes, thank you. Thank you. But all my questions that I wrote for you were about winning this afternoon. We do those anyway. And ask those questions, rob. All my God, Rick, congratulations. What what a game journey for you. I've been looking forward to this, by the way. I'm very excited to me, too. It was fun. I feel like you know, the Ed, it wasn't very like give me some time to tell my story, but other than that it's been unhappy with your airtime is in everybody. I mean, I think we saw enough of the rest. Like I had a lot of funny things they didn't show. It was awesome man. Jeff made a lot about the did you consider not giving that half of the idol back to Chris? I mean, was that even even a real move that you can do in the game like give it back, what will you throw it in the ocean? I get what I did cross my mind. What I would have done to say. Hey, let's do what David and I did, and I'll give it to you at tribal to be a big thing. And that way instead of going all day, telling him, I'm not going to do what it would just be like berry, painful thirty seconds of me, not giving it to him the truth. I just couldn't do it, man. He was so broken down when I saw him on the edge of extinction. The first time I could literally couldn't do it to him again. Even though in hindsight, I know he'd have been fine, and I should have done in. I'd have a million dollars. It's, it's crazy. You get one hundred thousand dollars from SIA sorry. Big wendy. I want everyone to know that those three chickens were alive and well and I was on team. Huey Louie and Dewey. But yes, my new favorite person in the whole world. Sorry, just wick look. Sorry, sorry about that. Oh, you're though, for Chris. You're over Gavin voted for Gavin. I did okay? How do you if I may ask people not vote for the edge of extinction person because I was on the edge of extinction, and then I was in the entire post merge, basically. I love Chris whoever wins should always win. But it is harder to be in the game then edge of extinction edge of extinction is really boring. But when I was on edge extinction, I wonder often have a four hour, nap when I was in the game, I would never dream of wondering for four hour nap. That's how I played Gavin. Went to the whole game without giving vote. I'm impressed by that. That was an impressive. Was it close for you? Yeah, it was close because Chris came in and he did he did work, and he took me out. But I'll say it was because I thought I was not thinking, Julie, going into the final tribal and Julie was so good and final that I really consider giving her. But. Being in the game so hard and being on the edge is hard on you. So I had to give it to the people that were in the game, the whole time we were any blowback from the people that you hit the fake idol. So at the point that you learn found the real idol, did you consider picking them back up? I did actually when we got that from the challenge and I'd one I'm talking with Gavin about how I'm gonna play it. I told Chris go get the idol that I hit that Jolie, go get it. And it was too late. And we're like, okay, she that noise, we heard was her finding it. And at that point, you know what I'm all in. I mean, sure it's villainous win. Ron, does it. But when I give you a fake advantage to play that's just fun, could you sense when you were out there like it seemed like on the TV show that the jury was really eating up your, your antics at the tribal councils absolutely since they were really enjoying it and almost wasn't strategic to put on the shows, you probably know, something, they'll be in the class clown, leading when they're eating it up. You wanna give them more? And it's kind of what at first it was like, man. These guys are really kinda screwing me because they're making it so obvious. But once I just became that threat, it's like, well, let's buy into it. Let's go for it. We're some of the things you did it trouble council with those premeditated or they sort of coming out in the in the moment. Most of them were, well, it's hard to the Julia thing was in the moment that was looking around that tribal and being like man, those three sewers nervous as I am and Julian runners nervous, like everyone's out of the loop, but the others, the, the Ron speech, you are a deck CEPT that and the. Oh, yeah. At the very beginning of the only two things I had the whole time. I rehearsed that speech in my mind all night 'cause I think that thing was fake. And then, of course, I thought about the Julia, I'm gonna play this on Julia, even though you won't give me credit for that, which I think you're right. I don't think it was me. But I thought it was me out there. I've learned so did Aurora right reverse psychology. I'll explain why she said that she was right. It was a little mixed up the way it all went down. Can you settle something for us from the merge of the season? When you came back from the edge of extinction. Did you want to work with the less soup people or were they dead to you from the jump? They were not dead to me at all. I thought that the less soup people would be excited to see me to welcome back is not only did I leave on good terms, but I said at the tribal was cut out. I said, Lauren Kelly, I intentionally left my sweater for you at camp so that you guys will be warm, even though you voted me out something in they're gonna love. Love me coming back. That's why got so hurt. And I'm not gonna say motion award, but. Emotional about them coming after me the way they did, which it is what it is. But yeah, I wanted to get back with them. Ric? Could you give us a report from the field on your experience? Tonight. Can I hand over the mic? Yeah. Okay. Watch a pro. Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun. I'm Rick Devon's here live at the survivor finale, where the big winner tonight is Rick Devon's SIA came to the rescue. I think some other things happened. But you know what we've talked about Rick mostly all season. Let's stick to it. Now rough. That's Greg set up for the you're such a polarizing character. There were people, I love RIC Devon's greatest thing ever and people. I'm so tired of Rick Devon's. I don't wanna see him anymore. It's not fair. He finds all the idols get him off my TV screen. How do you reconcile that? Can we can? I was like a pretty nice guy was. And I thought so a lot of vitriol for me, I don't know. I don't know what people wanted me. They wanted me to win my way back in and go up to Jeff. And just kind of like hand in my buff, back and say, hey, for the integrity of the game, I'm not doing this, and I'm not going to search, but no man, I was there to play hard as I could. I'm very surprised that I was told. Ising. I wasn't in charge of the at it. If I was I would've said, more Rick Devon's, but I had so much fun. I it was a blast. Okay. I gotta run. I would love to talk. I'm saying I love to get into everything from your game when when you have time down the road. But Rick, it is a pleasure raw I've been looking so forward to this. Tell your son, Josh says. Hi, I'm well, I will Josh Wailers says, hi from the survivor finale. Before we get back to the exit interviews, from the red carpet. I want to in honor of Gavin. Let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor for the final six interviews, and those are friends over at dole who doesn't love tasty. Smoothie in the morning problem is, it's easy to get stuck on autopilot, making the same smoothies every day, and even the best smoothies can get boring and predictable. So why not mix things up a little with frozen? Dole crafted smoothie blends, they do all the hard work for you. 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Can you talk through the Kris idol business and going into that final five? Oh, when you went out if you had where where things went wrong with you, and Chris, so first of all, when you're playing survivor, you're only playing with the information that you have, you know, I had no idea what was going on edge. I had no idea where this idol was coming from with Chris, I did know how one Rick comes into the game, and he's not giving us real information. So how supposed to know Chris has an idol. And so the only thing I know is I can't sit at the end with Victoria, and to get Victoria out. I thought that the majority of the votes, we're going to go on Chris because toria as you saw had told Gavin that she was going to vote for him. And I didn't know if Rick was gonna vote for Chris. Because no way, Chris once deserve. No way. Rick wants to sit at the end with Chris who could be him at fire. You know, so I assume those are going on Chris, I need Victoria out. I have to play my idol for Chris. So that was my thought process for that. And then going into final five you see, I don't have an idol, there are now three people that are immune. I had no chance I was, I was going home, unless I want immunity at mutiny challenge, and I didn't. And so going into tribal, I didn't know it. But I was dead woman walking. I know you're not mad at telly. But, but that did did you say to her? What were you thinking? Why did you tell everybody about my idol so funny? I've been asked that so many times and the thing is no I didn't because I don't think what people really see that Kelly's played two other times. Okay. So she is used to being voted out going to Ponderosa and sharing. All this information with people, right? It's free information, whatever they know, and she's in this such motion state that she gets there and someone asks her, oh, is your idol for Magno? And she goes, no Laura's. The Mongol having no idea what that affect would have and it didn't really have a huge effect on the game. It just lead. Chris that I had one. So I was never angry. So nice. I just I love Kelly. I think delis to my best friend. I get that. I get that. You were Gavin vote correct? Yes. Was it close between Gavin Chris, yes. I mean you saw final tribal. They both gave compelling arguments for me personally. I never experienced edge. And so I didn't have that experience, that those others voted for Chris did who felt like they, they experienced it with him. And so for me, I saw Gavin's game. I saw Gavin's game very closely because we were very very tight in alliance. And so I knew the moves he had made I knew what he had done in the game. And so for me, I felt like his game was not better than Christmas. It was just different and it was a game that I personally experienced that I felt good giving my vote too. Do you feel like you have one thing that you wish you could have done differently in terms of the game? Besides the Chris idle thing. I think everybody has their woulda coulda shoulda shoulda done this. But the thing is, okay, let's say I don't play my adult for Chris. And I keep it does Rick immunity at the final four. You know, you just never know there, so many s and I don't think I go back and change anything because at the end of the day, like I played hard as I could I gambled with my idol from day three and I did everything I possibly could to try and win this game. And it just didn't work out for me. Lauren, can you give us for video viewers, and I roll of the level of whether or not you think that Chris should have been given an idol when he came back into the game? Oh, dear God. Okay. All right. Ready? That was like an eight out of ten eight out of ten. Podcast. People listening hug people listening. Okay. So you asked me should crispy given an idol when he comes back into the game. And my answer is. Like a nine a nine now for that one. Okay. So I know that there was so much made about the less three and you and war dog and Kelly deed, did you in war dog ever? Hash it out about voting out Kelly. Doc, I love him. But you have to be very careful with the words, you choose when you talk to a dog. And so after the Kelly vote I nail. Okay. I'm on the bottom again. So how can I work my way to the top? And so I had to go to war dog and say, oh my gosh war dog, I want to work with you. Let's work together. Totally respect your move that way. I could then maneuver around him to try and vote him out. So I would say, I gave him fake respect for the votes and inside. I was cringing 'cause I missed my, my best Kelly come back this way. They were drifting off into the other the next shot. But when the idols were all found at that final five you seem that you were suspicious about there being fake idols. How, how real did you feel your idol might be? You just never know. Like I found an idol. So I knew what my idol looked like. But I also saw Rick plan, idol that looked Janke. I was like, no way. That's real. You hear me saying it. And so when I. Found it looked Jenky as like okay. Maybe but like I said, there was no way there was going to be three live idols at five and the only thing that I could feel to justify it was that maybe I knew Aubrey had found an idol on comma, I knew Kelly had one, I knew I had one so maybe that those all got recirculated, but you just don't know figured I might as well try, I might as well, try, because what happens if it's real, and I don't play it, you know, it didn't really have a big vote. It was just kind of mean but you just play it, and you hope it's real, and it wasn't hope frustrating was it for you? When Devon's was immune tribal after tribal after tribal. It's funny, I think, for me it was like, okay Devon's is immune. But what can I do behind the scenes when everyone's focused on Devon's who can I get out? And you kind of see that after the Kelly vote. So Devon's is let's get out war. Doc devon's. Let's get out. Ron Devon's is immune. Let's get out of Rura Devin, let's get out Victoria things. Like that. I was trying to work on everyone was so focused on Devon's. And of course you don't want to sit the final four with him. But if you get so laser focused on one person, you lose track of all the other people you have to get out as well. Everybody remembers the moment when you fell down and the challenge that how scary was that for you. You know, I don't think I was scared it all it seems like a very out of body experience. But for me it was a challenge that I one hundred percent thought I could win and I'm not the kind of person that's ever going to quit. I have a very never say die attitude. And so when I got up there, and I started to kind of black out, I felt like okay, well hopefully Aurora Victoria, dropped the for me. And then when I woke up, and Dr Joe was and Jeff was there, I was just very thankful for the crew that took care of me. And I was really upset that I didn't win. And you kind of solve that onscreen Lorna you do if you got to the final three you had a good shot to win against anybody from this group. And if so, who did you the best chance against I mean my whole game? Setting up sitting by Gavin and Julie. That's who I wanted to sit by at the end because I thought I could give the most compelling argument. But you never know you never know who the jury is gonna vote for you don't know who they're going to respect, you don't know who they're going to like, and so as much as I would like to say, you know, if I didn't play my idol final three I win, you don't know. And so I'm just thankful for the experience and hope that, you know, don't, don't get caught up in the what if Moore, thank you so much played a really fun game, a great, great finale, episode tonight. Okay. All the best. We are here with our six place, finisher, Victoria. Yes. Hi. Toria. How are you? I'm good. That was tough to watch back. But I'm good. Which part was tough to watch back. It's just the frustration of the vote all over again, when, like I saw that we have the Chris out and no one else do it. So it's tough I wanted to yell at them all over again. That was confusing vote in terms of watching in the room, we didn't get to see who voted for who do you know where it was three. It was three votes for Devon's two votes for you one vote for Chris right? It was very confusing. Honestly didn't know what happened that night, it got explained to me after and it couldn't understand why Devon's didn't work with me because the plan I proposed to him which wasn't quite plush. Doubt didn't have him receiving the majority of votes. He told me he would never vote for Chris, and that we came up with a plan that the back of vote was going to be Lauren. What we're gonna vote out was Lauren and I would vote out Kris OB. Chris or even the most than Lauren, and then whoever wasn't in on it would probably vote Rick. So that obviously didn't happen, but I couldn't understand when the votes came out who flipped on me because I was the only one voted for Chris, I was the only one and I couldn't understand what Devon's did because Devon still received them Geordie votes. I'm like, why would he want that? So he was lied to. I think they said they were gonna put the majority on me who put the votes on you Devon's and Chris. I think so. I'm not sure actually wrote the name down. But everyone else was involved in at least show us the votes on the this is what happened. She doesn't even know who voted for member. They told me at one point. But I can't remember but everyone else was involved. We'll go on the Wikki. We'll go on with pedia and find out now. You were a vote for Chris, correct? I did end up voting for Chris to win. Yeah. That shocked me more than any of the other votes because I thought that you were a lock forget Vigne was it because Gavin forgot that you were on the island for thirty six days. So I said, I'm gonna vote for Gavin Gavin. You have my vote is what I said at the end of the game. But I knew nobody else voted for Chris, that he did turn on me and some capacity and size mad at him. So I said that hoping that put a target on him for people to think that he had an extra jury vote. And I was hoping that they would take him out of the game thinking, had friends. That was my last ditch efforts what you should trust you. Nobody should trust me that it again. But we know for sure that Gavin definitely did turn on you. Gavin did turn. On me. We've talked about it afterwards. We're still he's still McGraw there. So I'm not mad. But he definitely did Victoria. I really wanted to talk to you after last week's episode where then you guys ended up voting out Aurora. And I was thinking that, maybe once you found out that Lauren talk to Gavin and said, I'm going to do this plan, whether or not Victoria's in on it. Did you guys consider either staying with the votes for Julie or maybe voting out Lorant at that tribal council? I still want to Julie out regardless because I understood everyone wanted her to go to the end, and that left one less spot for me. My alliance. My lions didn't feel that way at the time. So it's happened to me a couple times this season where you just have to learn when to take a back seat because if I if I did push it more than it looks like I did. But they were pretty adamantly not going to be Julie. So if they wouldn't even vote Julie, which one of them was I going to get to turn on Lauren. So at that point, I felt like my hands are tied and we did decide to vote out Aurora long before tribal council. That's what we. That's what we figured. That's what we figured. A lot of people gave you credit this season for you were in on all of the votes that happen this season even even the one where it was on Ron Clark, but it was part of a vote split and, and you were in on that. So kudos to you for knowing where the numbers were this entire game. Yeah. That was, I guess that's my claim to fame aside from voting out Aubrey ski hat ski hat, very comfortable people hating on one Fiji's cold at night to we'd all the pillow doll say, but yeah, I guess it's just credit. I wouldn't even say my social game because I wasn't always in alliances with the people who are controlling the vote. But I always was able to find out what the true vote actually was I always knew what the actual plan was. And I always knew what everyone who wasn't in on the actual plan thought the plan was. That's where my strengths were how much of a disadvantage was it to have Chris come back into the game at. With only a couple of days left after being on the edge of extinction. With the jury it was that was back in the game was my biggest downfall when he won my initial reaction wasn't really anything because I'd never met him. I've never met Chris before it's not as bad as it could be. I'd never heard him, but I've never met him like if Joe came back in it would have been worse because I betrayed Joe. But as soon as I saw people are interacting with them as soon as I saw that Julia was feeding him. I knew he wasn't the enemy for anybody else. And that's when I knew that this was going to be the worst part of my game. If somebody. Got the sign that we got we got to wrap up with you. I love to get into this more at some point down the road, but all the best to you, thank you so much care. All right. Look, who we have here. It's Ron Clark, Ron. How're you doing? Awesome, great night run so excited, I didn't think that we were going to get you here, unless you came back from the gym extinction. But would love to talk about your your game with you. You were vote for Gavin or Chris tonight. Chris definitely was it close for you wasn't close for me at all. Why what was the difference? I was looking for somebody who played a game where they would be aggressive Gavin wasn't aggressive. He played behind the curtain. Chris one in there, and he said, I'm gonna try and make big moves in the small town that I'm here. Also, don't discount. The fact that he was on day sanction for twenty eight days. He was still playing the game. He made everyone's rice cooked up. Everyone's cook made the fire. He was trying to be a protector of people and those people ended up voting for him. She was still playing the game on what was your experience. Like on the edge. We didn't see a lot of you on the edge of extinction. Is this the worst experience in my life? I don't think. I understand. I mean not only have you been booted out, but then you have nowhere to hide from the sun. So it's hot in the day freezing at night. So, and you have no food and then a little bit of rice. We had roaches all in the rice. It was disgusted and you just sit on you with her way. And then the mentally, the toil that happens when you have nothing to do, but lay in sand and people are upset with each other the social dynamics of placed in this horrible. But you were the only person that remained like that. It seemed like she was happy to have you. There was so weird like I'm a nano. I'll look like a villain. I'm a nice guy and I didn't think you were villain. Kate with appreciate you saying that, thank you. I was just trying to play hard. Because so if you people get a play the game, and I really wanted to go for and try to do big things and not be boring. I didn't want to get to the end with blood on my hands and just be a born goat. I have to give you credit for something in the first in the I guess, I thought it was a mistake when you gave the advantage menu to Rick. Devon's. But in hindsight, I felt like that. You were the one person that was at least trying to calm him down, almost like before you send the lamb to the slaughter, you don't want them to get spooked. You were the one person really trying to calm his nerves and not make him feel like he was going to go out and everybody else was just basically. No, you're, you're next no matter what exactly it didn't show it. But everybody the can we would stand up. We kind of blackout a little bit. And so to walk twenty feet. It was exhausted. For some reason, Rick had this undying energy. He was running all over this island, constantly for hours looking idols. So I was trying to make him feel like oh, I don't need to do that as much can relax. And then also my plan was right before he played it. I was going to say to him, Rick. We have the numbers don't waste it. And I hope that he wouldn't play it for play the real one that he may have had. It is didn't work out as planned Ron. It's not fair. The dad Bod gives you a lot of extra energy over thirty nine days. He had some extra burn. Now I thought that you would have cast a vote for Julie in the final three tonight were you close to voting for her? I wasn't close to vote in for Julie. I love Julie. She gets my vote for life, Jillian, very tight. But in terms of gameplay, I really was trying to not go with an emotional choice. Trying to go the logical choice that Chris on deserved it over Gavin or Julie, for the moves that he made, I wanted to reward somebody who's willing to do big things. Calm. I got to the merge, you were the one saying, hey, let's, let's go after Joe here. Let's, let's start, comma turning on each other. Do you feel like in hindsight? That was still the right way to go. It was the right way to go. The wrong move was to leave a roar out of it because she her emotions started the cracks in comma, but we had to get Joel in this on TV. But the day he was voted out sell him talking to Kelly and David in the woods. And then he had talked to war dog, and Eric along with Kelly. David about woman, a power alliance so went to joke. I heard about it. I said Joe have you talked to anybody about alliance? His nobody, nobody haven't taught anybody what you hear in a he's going to flip before I can flip saw decided to flip on him before he had the opportunity. When war dog went out of the game. D did you have a sane whether or not he stayed? Or did you the numbers already decide that on that vote? Honestly, I was the instigator of that didn't show it that people like keeping more dog around, because he was not that great challenges. And then people also thought, they'd beat him in the final three because a lot of people weren't aware of all the things he was doing. But we're dog was constantly talking about people in a negative way. And so I decided that it was time for him to go because he was so Radic. And I didn't like I trust him as an alliance someone to everybody and told them here that things were dogs and saying about you, and I really got them. So. Set to the point where they decided to vote him out mistake has survivor been a positive thing for everything with your kademi and your platform yet. Don't think it hurts or helps the school, you know every week we have hundreds of teachers come to learn about helping kids and up late survivor hard, but really fifth grade schoolteacher and I love kids. And I love trying to make a difference alive. Others. And so I don't think it really has helped hurt it in any way. Did anybody know your name in the game? No, I didn't even tell people my last name was Clark. And no one even asked my last name, just went by Ron, and I'm a schoolteacher and his funny that everybody's so focused on talking about themselves. No one bothered inquire more to find out about what did or must school run. Would you consider a second trip out to survivor? Yeah. I'd love to do it again. You can never if they told me right now. Will you leave on a plane say, let's do it because it's such a wonderful opportunity. I was extremely grateful that I got to do it, and I'd be happy to do it again. Do boston. Rob or Sandra have what? It takes to be a teacher at the Ron Clark academy. Yes, I'd hire them both instantly teach survivor. They could. I'll never forget, like there's things that both of them have said, I remember from past seasons that stuck with me when I was playing their great teachers. And I think it's gonna be a great next season, Ron, call me. Okay. Ron thank you so much. Really great to get the talk to you, and hope we can talk more down around appreciates you rob. And thank you. Ron, then you do I get that. Thank you. Thank you so much. Ron. Do I'm so I'm so happy to get into shot. Okay. We're here with these star of the edge of extinction to show and the place daily ream, how are you? I'm great. Thank you. You're so funny man, like I, I, I wanna say thank you to all the people that make these, these parodies because offs freaking fantastic. They are surfing tastic and I love your. I love to listen to your podcast. You do great. Ream, thank you so much inciteful. You're funny, I love your opening saw who wrote the jingle. That's awesome. Which one? Oh, yeah. Love it. They say, don't meet your heroes. So I'm a little nervous about this. Give me a break. I was thinking about this today this afternoon because I was hoping I'd have the chance to talk to you. I, I do you realize that you were that you were the first the first boot on this season. You don't realize that. Yes. But and you and you've gone on that you are the greatest. I put in the history of the show that you, you become a breakout star, you're figure, you've done so much with that, anybody could have just shown up that first night pulled that sale and that would have been the end of it. Now man, I wasn't gonna pull out sale. I mean I was pissed. I was angry and I was miserable. And it sucked like every single thing about it sucked. But, you know, I was on, I didn't know anything. Like what if you got dropped off somewhere in the freakin dark in the pouring down rain and you were pissed, and everybody just basically said, I don't like you, and you were just like lie. But I don't care what they thought I was going to, if they were going to give me a chance I just wanted to. Understand what was happening. See what was going to happen next, and then freaking give him the fury man. You know, if you have imagine having the chance to face the people that you felt screwed. You over are you going to dodge that chance? And I really feel that you were such a well developed character on the show, because it seemed like to me, your philosophy was if you have something that you want to say to people don't, don't hold it in, because that's poison. It is okay, interesting. This is what I tell my kids, you're gonna sit around and complain about it, or you going to tell the person what you think and move on with your life. So why not follow the same philosophy? So when people would show up sucks for you, by the way, blah, blah, blah. All right, we're good. I just wanted to hear something you in a share with me. It's all good. Like, what would you rather do someone sit there and be faked you all day long and snicker behind your back? No. That would be lame. That would be I would be lame of did you ever think about at any point? Did you ever come close to raising that sale? I was gonna raise outsail. I mean it was like first of all, how would that be for my kids? My mom raised a sale like no thank you. I mean in the beginning, I was just like, oh, let's see what keys who comes next and I can't let him be here. Because if I raise that sale, then they want, you know what I'm saying. It seemed like that at times, you and Chris had adversity. But then you voted you voted for Chris. It seemed like you guys had a good relationship by the end. Listen, it's like this. He is not about person, right? It's like we're hungry or tired. We got on each other's last freaking nerve. But at the same time he's a good fisherman. He hoped me up with some food. He taught me a lot of stuff, and I think I taught him a lot of stuff like I'm forty whatever eight he's twenty I don't even know five. There's a lot going on there in life. Like he's he is a good person. But I'm more mommy than him. You know. And he'd be like let's get this straight and like talk to me like that. We're not gonna get this straight like kids hawk to me like that. You know what I'm saying, but we had a lot of team conferences about how we're going to move forward. Either don't talk to me. Or if you talked me, this is how you're going to talk to me. Or whatever. But at the end of the day, proud of him man, Helios gonna vote for. Did it mean a lot to you that somebody from the edge of extinction won the game? Yeah. What this theme is the edge freakin extinction. I understand, how that would seem lame to some of the other people because you really I didn't see sitting your ass on that island that long because a mental frigging nightmare. Dude that was bad. That was so bad. You know what I'm saying, and he was already kill each other of knocking align this all good. I told Chris to we were so ready to kill each other. And that one fight that you guys did see let me just clarify may I clarify so Maung because he said that you gave the advantage, Chris, you pointed it. He said you pointed it out like I'm gonna sit there and give him and Devon's both. I know that's why when a little ham on them I was pissed. So this haven't walk into the water, I wouldn't even look in for anything. I was I'd maybe over here somewhere. But meanwhile, I'm sweaty and I need to wash myself off. We're going to look for clam. So walk in with Keith, and any I don't have my head. Together, and it was just like dude worth my car type of situation. I'm like dude was uh. Sweet problem is I touch it. I so they assumed I gave it away. So I don't talk smack about me. You don't know what's up. You weren't there. That's not cool south pits. Yeah. Yeah. How did they not show? When war dog came to the extinction on the show. It's a hidden scene. It's on the I saw it. I saw it. What? I was pretty lit up on him dude. I was ready to rip it in I was, but I promised Eric, I would wait till the next day, but then he started, and he wasn't going to stop. So I was like that's why I was like you said expectations, this is going to go down to Morrow, but he wouldn't stop. So it went down that day. And then I didn't even wanna let it sit on my bench to be quite he had to sleep in the ocean. You know, why said that he said it, my tribal, we were like oil, and water, and I was like, why would you say what did I do? Why are you saying to me? So I waited I waited whatever many days to throw that analogy back at him. And I was like rollout, I didn't want. Yeah. House pets. I was disappointed tonight that I had waited. I wanted to see you question. The final three I said something, but it was the biggest deal in the world. And there's so much there was so much going on that you couldn't hear you know how it is. You were there. You can't do. Did you feel like that? Okay. Well, I shouldn't ask them. A bunch of. A bunch of questions that because because I wasn't there in the game so much. My, the question that I did ask was tell me what you actually did to provider where we're your survival survivor camp because to me, I saw what Chris did. I didn't see what they did. I had heard otherwise what their gameplay was. I mean, honestly, I was surprised that some of the things that came out at tribal, because I wasn't hearing that. So it was it was I just wanted to listen and hear it because they the other people that were in the game with them we're asking the right questions on a survival aspect. I did ask a question. It just didn't get aired. But it's all good. Now, it seemed like tonight, Jeff Probst seems like he is a fan of your's recognize your contributions as he should. It's an honor ream, I think that you might play survivor again, you're gonna play Lydney. Well, I would I would love to. I would love to it would be it would be a dream. Well, I haven't gotten a call, but I'm not a fool. You know what I'm saying? If my family and my job acted up, I would totally do. Yeah. Ream down the road. When you have time I wanna hear the whole story of the extinction. I wanna hear every every day, do you with a lot to went out like we killed sharks. We kill the shark out. I was like killing it and chess, I m chessmaster that's a big thing to say. Dave David Wright is actually chessmaster. Yeah. There was there was a lot that went down. Man. I wish there was a way that you all could see it. But there was also a lot going on the game. And I'm around all summer reim- really in my lab to talk to you. Yeah. I mean who do we have to ask? I mean, we'll clear it clear it. I would love to talk to you. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll, we'll make it happen. Ream can I have a hug? I love that. You know what's funny? So you have this little people. Oh, yeah. I have a big person that my buddy made for me scares the shit outta me all the time. It's like random parts of my house. I love that. You have that. Now let's hear your impersonation because we need to tighten it up. That can I just say that, you know, Chris, he's a good guy. He's not he's not a do like war. Dog? She's actually super-sensitive shoe percents, twenty I didn't even realize talk like that until you brought it to my town in me. Broke say on the. It's funny. I'm honored that you even person. It was. You were joy joy to watch Rame. Thank you so much. Ream daily everybody. Thank you. We are here with the new look joing Lum, whatever other and Sierra, dawn, Thomas. Yes. Hello. Joe on the advice of Jeff Probst has cut off his own hair here tonight and Joe was this all just to go back on survivor. 'cause I think they were going to call you back. No matter what. No, it was actually kinda crazy surreal, like Jeff gonna put me on the spot, and I was like thinking about it. I'm like, man. Maybe maybe there's something to this. That amiss been missing all this time, like, what if this is what's hold me back. What if it literally is my hair holding me back? So I don't know. We just like a little bit. And then but after the fact SIA essentially offered. You know, she offered to give us some money for our wedding and is just for. And I was just like no, you know, like as much like, let's donate to charity. Let's like I'll donate my hair to a really must be doing really well right now she gave away, she gave Devon's like one hundred k fourteen k no, but what a great gift him and his family, and then an opportunity for us to, like, do some good for some kids, are really good friend just recently, she shaved her head. She's going to chemo was diagnosed with breast cancer, and so even just like doing that for her, and supporting that, 'cause like, we just wanna help, what are the nice guy, you found I do not deserve him. I was just telling him that I love him for a million reasons, I love his hair, but there's a million other reasons I love him. What was better when Joe cut his hair or win? Brad culpepper. Shaved off that moustache. Probably first mustache. What? No, I love your hair bake peppers mustache. Shave. No feel about that. Also. This is not a big deal, but I guess that's bigger deal. Whatever congr- congratulations on the engagement. Do you guys have the date set? No pressure. No pressure. We will we're looking at venues. I like we've been we've been planning and doing logistics, and trying to figure out everything. I but she just all all this all this year. That's coming up. I know we're hustled. Yeah. We're working fast. So it'll be a fun summer trying to plan the wedding. And we're having a blast like, yeah we're enjoying it. Join the journey. Let me ask you quickly about the game. You're Chris vote tonight. Correct. Okay. The right way. Nervous for a minute three. No. Right. I think I was three. No. Yeah. I think I might have. Yeah, you're perfect, you're always for the winter. Yeah. So it was a close. Did you consider voting for Gavin? You know, I really did. Actually, I contemplated is Gavin, you know. Yeah, he's the last man standing. But at the same time, like mean Chris had this kind of brotherly love out there on the edge. And if either one of us was getting back in they had we had each other's vote. So I think it was more about like. Yeah. If anyone from the edge makes it back and gets back and can get to the final three through whatever means that's pretty epic. Like as a as a player that is supporting another edge player. So, and you were right there on the edge of extinction on that last challenge. Had you've been the person to get back in. Do you feel like you could have done duplicated with Chris did see? That's the thing is I've had this conversation with Chris, and I don't think I could because I didn't have the same relationships that Chris had with those existing players like they were. I mean, I, but I did with Gavin and Julie, but they would probably not in. Favor. It actually probably was like, in the end all Chris's probably the only guy who could do that, because of who of the situation and I don't think I would have had the same odds. Well, Joe my mom was very disappointed this season. She's she is one of your one of your number one fans. She does hope that you keep coming back. Joe thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah. No. You got a good boy. And oh Joe appreciate your support really though. And you never know we got we got lottery plans in lots of time. So we'll see Sierra my idea for Joe. Which still has not taken is I think he needs to gain like one hundred fifty pounds to go back and have the Devon's dad Bod and then try yeah. I think that people will be like Joe really. Let himself go. Yeah. No, I agree trust me. I feed him. The fridge is full. I cannot wait on this mandate in my life. But I love him skinny fat in between aero dynamic now. Good. Well, all the ways this guy's such a such a cute couples so nice. Well, we thought it for like, three years everyone's like you guys have so much chemistry like. Them put that on a stump that evil on us, and now it's like the happiest thing I've ever been in my life. So I mean survivor was awesome three times. But like I'm so excited for our future. So all right. Well, you guys got to run. But thank you. Thank you, Joe. Sierra great to see you. Okay so much. All right. All right. There you have it. We had the final six Ron Clark Joe in Sierra. It was a jampacked night here on the red carpet. And I can't wait to talk to some of these guys about this really shocking outcome at the end of this wild season of survivor, plus so much. With survivor thirty nine Boston rob and Sandra the island of idle so really looking forward to getting into the survivor off season with you. I want to of course. Thank the patrons of rob is a podcast who make all of this possible for me to go out here and have fun nights like this and get to capture all of this footage. 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This Week in Survivor: Season 38, Ep 10 with Ali Lasher

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This Week in Survivor: Season 38, Ep 10 with Ali Lasher

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True cash over not available in all states. Talk about. Take. So we can. The smartest on. As we. Yes. Thank you will from America for the theme song to this week in survivor. I'm rob sister. No back in the studio after what was a very wild a week insert in rob is a podcast and very excited to get into it with you here today because we are going to be doing things a little bit different this week this week in survivor is the first podcast that you're gonna hear Hannah Shapiro is going to be with me in the studio on Saturday. Then after a break for Easter Sunday Passover, I will be talking with mama see on Monday night. So you'll have the wiggle room and a podcast with mama. See coming up on a jam packed week of rob as a podcast, but let's open up the festivities here today for this Passover Seder that we're putting together for you. You on this weekend? So I I the man that I saw down in Philadelphia here. He is the great Jordan Kayla ish doing rob had a did you have fun? Did you a fun in Philly? Rob I had a really great time in Philadelphia. It was a jammed pack trip. I think that I was there for little more than forty eight hours in Philadelphia. And I think I got more in in this trip than I do on longer trips. So very fun week in Philadelphia. Yeah. I I have to say agree. I it's been a while since I've been to Philadelphia really great city, and I gotta say potentially. And I love the New York know, it alls, I love not having to travel to far and be able to go to everything, but arguably my favorite notes, I mean, the unpacked or party was that like the best bar that we've that we've been to amend Rabinowitz set it up, and it was it was really great the whole the whole week of so much fun. So many survivors were there, and I had a really great time. Okay. But we have a survivor episode and a'double boot episode to talk about here with our great friend woman. Who is the co host of the challenge happe- podcast, potentially the millennial judge and more. Please welcome to create alley Lascher. Hey, it's totally appropriate to be here on the Passover episode because it's like very let my people go. I'm here against my will I've said on my. I my official position is reluctant. I'm happy to be here with you guys. Yeah. Let's let's do this. Let's do this. Now, what is the reluctance on on your part? You're you're not happy about being on this week and survivor now, I I just survivor history has never been my thing. Okay. Or for like, mama sees baby. My bag. You know, it's like I love survivor. I have watched every season since I was like eleven years old when it premiered, and I have only gone back and watched selective seasons. I am not a savant. I am not a historian. I don't claim to be. And so it's never appealed to me to get quizzed on things. I don't know. I like to be prepared for exams. Call me crazy. Don't want do worry about the quiz that that's a problem for an hour from now let's have fun talking about everything that's going to go on. And of course, we'll get into all of the survivor social media with Alli later on in this episode. But Allie let's talk about everything that went on here with this week with the double boot episode. Yeah, it was a real reckoning for the returning players this week. Are you happy or sad to have the debt cleared and now all the returning players are on the edge of extinction. Yeah. It's funny. I didn't one hundred percent realize when you first asked me to do this podcast that you guys really covered the Episode II feel like Chrissy a little bit. Like, I thought I just can be in the audience. I didn't realize that was going to be coming out to talk about survivor. But no, I am I think it's exciting. I think it's I mean. Takes alive. Hot takes literally. I have Krissy in my notes because I knew I wanted to say that. And then I wrote hot takes immediately after I did a little bit of prep in the last fifteen minutes before getting on the guest. No, I I'm thrilled. Because I think when I first heard about this season like all of you. It was like okay Joe is going to win. I mean, look I made in my winter picking all of my drive. So whatever there's an upside of Jones back in wins. Not just for your mom. But for me as well. But I'm happy that we have like such strong dynamic new players who are doing what no players before I've ever done. Like, I can't believe we're facing the last extinction return, and it's going to be all for new players. They're competing only one of them can come back. Like that's exciting to me. And I'm happy with the new players. I am a full Kelly. Stan I've enjoyed the like fun playful rivalry between David. And Kelly, but I really like Lauren. I'm hoping that when Kelly leaves we'll see more from Lauren so excited. The deck has been cleared alley. Is there anything that the returning players could have learned from watching the challenge where the returning players always dominate, and you really have to put your time in before you can advance in do well on the challenge of your first time player. Wow. That's impressive. Like that. You've watched a challenge and were so prepared with that question. Almost convincing. No. I think that's a great question. I think what's different. And what causes the returners to dominate is that people know that more returners are going to keep coming back. Right. Like, these new players don't really have to be worried about like playing with JoAnne lem again. Whereas on the challenge like all the rookies wanna do is like get in bed, sometimes literally, but metaphorically with the veterans so that they get a part of the fold and continue to come back because you can make a move your rookie season. Like in this case like war dog like cutting Kelly that then she comes back with all of her friends the next season, and you get screwed there. So I think that's like a different dynamic that they can't really pull from the challenge on alley as a Kelly. Stan did you feel like that war dog made a foolish move this week? Did he make a foolish move? Like. No. Because this is what we always want like we want, you know. Stephen to cut JT or Stephen to cut Jeremy or Steven to do something. No we want. People to turn on the people. They can't beat like, I do think I know there was some debate on whether returning player can win or not I'm in the camp where were dog goes with Kellyanne Lauren, I think Kelly wins. And so I think he recognized that and everything was in flux enough to make this move happened with such little work like nobody else had a strong thing. Going on in Victoria and Gavin there sort of floating with Julia. Julia gone, and Ron and is flexible enough because he's not confident with either side of the swing. You have Devon's who just lost his only strong ally in the game. So this seemed like maybe it's not maybe it felt too soon to me. But at the same time like it was kind of the perfect situation where everybody would be willing to go along with it. I want to ask you about your of fellow person in the legal profession Aurora who ended up this week trying to make a move by giving her advance. To Ron to keep her safe. And I wanted to ask you what you thought about that decision. What the hell is that? I have a couple of questions. I know again, it was speculated that about the transfer ability. Like, do we know that this was transferable? Or was it literally? If Ron voted her out, he couldn't use it. Like was it like I'm giving it to to hold that. You'll give it back. Maybe couldn't use it. And it would just be getting her out of the game. And getting the the extra vote out of the game. But not that he could keep it. I do believe that survivor law should be possession is nine nine of the law where if you have the the advantage, you should be able to use it, especially if that person willed it to you, even if you are borrowing it, then it's not like that you took it out of somebody's bag. If Aurora gives it to you to hold that you can use it. And that's a great question about the transfer ability of it kind of felt like the coming at a game changers. Where we had that issue with Sarah giving her thing. Sirri to hold them in not being transferable. I thought that we were going to remove that clause from the language of any of these advantages. But that would be a great question to ask roar. If we get a chance to talk to her after the season. Yeah. Because I the more I thought about it the less. I think it's possible that Ron could've used it. If she was out of the game. I still think he should've voted her out. Like, I think it was the right move for war dog. But the wrong move for Ron. What I wanted to happen here. Which is that was my take away from the of the other night. I wanted I wanted them to do Julie and Ron do. The sister Nina swing where they get David out. Then they swing to Kelly. But I wanted him to have like agency over the move with Julie, I think that they recognize that they were Julie didn't necessarily recognize this because she's got a rural blinders on, but I think Ron recognizes a bit that they're on the bottom of both of those core groups, and so I think it's the right time to like do that swing. But in this case wrong gets no credit for it. Any pisses off Julie, I think he'll be able to get back with Julie. But I think he could have really worked at where he goes to Julie I recognize they didn't have a lot of time and that was partially part of Aurora's giving it to him right before. But in an ideal world, he gives Julie the agency he says, look, this is what's happening. We can get out or we can swing and get Kelly out if she's like, no, I wanna Rura get her out this week. And then swing the neck. That's fine too. Like, I just think screwing Julie was not the move. Julie hates Aurora. So much alley. I don't understand why. But almost every time the Julie's on screen. She's talking about how we have to get Aurora out. And it was the thing where Ron couldn't even bring up the her that they were going to potentially not vote Aurora, and that's fine. Then maybe then maybe you don't make the move yet. You include her you talk to her about it, you set up the future of like next week, though, we're going to swing and vote out one of those three, and then we can kind of keep going back and forth because everybody seems open to play like what is Gavin's next move. That's what confuses me like what are Gavin in Victoria, planning now to like work with war dog acts Lauren, and then go for Ron and Julie like, I'm not I think everybody has sort of like a blocked path forward, and Ron and Julie were really set up better than anyone to work that in their direction. I keep doing this when my hands. You can't see it swaying back and forth. But I think just like doing this letting war dog get credit for it and like pissing Juilliard who like you said like really wanted to roar out. And you saw Ron saw how Julie handled, you know, getting blindsided in the past not well, so I just think like this was not the right play in less somehow. She knew about like. I don't know. I I was I think Ron kinda got screwed here. And also Ron express, I think both the tribal council at least both the episodes. He's not really comfortable about working with war dog. He doesn't like how war dog approaches things. And so to make this move. He sort of is making this path where he kind of has to work with war dog because I don't think that he can really put together a coalition of like, okay. Even if he gets back with Julie, Julie doesn't wanna work with the Rura. So he based on the previews it looks like that he's talking with war dog and Rick Devon's. And so this is a group that I don't really see Ron having a lot of control over. Whereas that if he would have been able to potentially hold onto that Aurora advantage. And then also. End up getting Aurora out of the game. And then he still has Julie Kelley and reward oughta really mad at each other. After what war dog tried to do? I feel like that. He has a little more control in that direction. Why wouldn't Aurora actually use the advantage here? Like that also fresh to me like she knows. This is a plan that hinges on Ron she could just use the extra vote. Well, if that's the case, then does it end up going to is it five five then end up forcing a tie to go to rocks as opposed to off. Math is not my Sean yet because I'm Jordan. I this is your area of expertise, right? As the math expert on the podcasts. Yeah. This was this was the final nine vote. I guess that would have made it five five, but you do get to use the extra vote in a revote. Right. Yeah. But then I think if it's coming down to rocks. I don't know if she gets well, she I don't think that she should say though, she would be safe because she was she was one of the people who voted for. I guess so that doesn't they don't go to. They don't go to rocks over Aurora people flipping butter out, rob ably. Probably okay. Let me ask you about something that I wanted to talk to you for many weeks earlier in the season alley you're on the RHA BNB. And it was a great BNB episode with Mike in Liana. But one of my big takeaways was that you were really down on Rick Devon's you seem Rick Devon's with somebody. Who did not love? And now for the most part. I think that Rick Devon's has been received very positively this season. And now, you were one of the people who or the person way a long time ago, and it's been a tough week for the gen-x tribe on television. But Ken mcnicoll, you came out and said, why are people standing the sky, he sucks, he's the worst? And I'm not gonna say whether or not, you're right. But you're the first person with that opinion. You're not the only person with that opinion. Now standing can mcnicoll that it was to Campbell loved him. Colin stone was saying he's gonna win the season and people were on board saying like, oh my God. He talks about vinyl Collins says it must be true. So people were very high on Ken mcnicoll in the pre merge. This is well before he gave a test to will wall. And so people were super high. Alley came on and said, what's the deal? Why why are people in love with this guy? Now, here's Rick Devon's who's been a very popular figure this season in alley at that time was not high on Rick Devon's, and I want to know has your opinion evolved, or you even more dug in against Rick Devon's. Okay. So my opinions never evolve. I just keep changing my justification. So be right. Let's be clear about that. No. I like, I don't get the adoration. I don't hate Rick. I just don't get the appeal seemingly happened immediately. Now, I think Josh Wigley story is hilarious of him saying like, oh, my name's also were dog. Like, I think Devon's has had more highs in my eyes than candid like I don't feel as strongly about disliking Devon's what bothers me about him is he's over-produced. And I think because he's like an onscreen, man. Like he knows what to do on TV. And it just to me doesn't feel natural. Like, I'm not. I'm not buying it. I don't think it's genuine. I just think he like knows what he's doing when he's like trying to narrate like Christian did the challenge this week. Like the comparison is and Lisa called me out was like Devon's in see Christian fair enough. Challenge. He's in the challenge. And he loses the challenge because of it like Christian that seemed so genuine like Rick is like, oh, this'll be a great moment. I didn't like that. You didn't like this moment. From the episode Evans. This. Yeah. No. I didn't. I just think like he anytime somebody get asked you to call them by your last name like that's not normal. That's not. I mean, I know Cochran to I don't like that either. Like your Rick. I'm sorry, unless Jeff decides like I don't I don't know. I just think the whole thing and every Devon's is getting called by Devon's like Dennis to be called Devon's. That's not cool like people generally in my life. Call me lash or Lascher I got to law school. It didn't happen. Did I tell people if you could you please call me lash that would be a great term of endearment that I would feel like cool with thank you. And then and then here's what also grinds my gears here think you got more than you bargained for here. Maybe this exactly what you expected everyone decided they loved him so early on. And that's fine. I loved it. As wife does the Llandough. So that's very cute. But now he's untouchable because he's this like darling and Stevens like, oh, he gave the best tribal performance. He gives the best tribal performances. Like, no he doesn't when he came back into the game. He really screwed up and like normal player who's not just universally adored. Get blasted for the way that he acted when he came back in. So now, I feel like he's just so untouchable by everyone that I need to. I don't wanna touch him. But you know, like, I I he's just I don't I don't get it. Okay. Well, I always appreciate hearing a different view than what we get to here on the podcast. So I appreciate you, even even if maybe not everybody agrees with what you're saying. And I applaud your bravery to come out against somebody who has been received well for the most part by the audience. I don't know if he's was untouchable. I think that a lot of people did call him out after he came back. And then had that moment with war dog where war dog was talking about. Hey, you should vote with us. And he was like, oh, yeah. I'd love to get back together with you guys. But actually, I wouldn't because I hate you guys. And I've never vote with you. Then people felt like that he was being very emotional there. I well, there's different team being emotional and being stupid, right? Like, I don't mean to criticize him like, oh, he was to emotional. Like, look, I'm a motion. No problem like be emotional. Elsewhere. God you killed me with Tibor when you're like step away and crime. But I don't think he got the same like shit that he other people would have gotten. I think I saw a lot of people like excusing it. Like, of course, they voted him out. Of course, he's going to react like that. No. That happens all the time when someone like blindsides a person and they come back angry. Julie people are like, oh, she's acting crazy. She's such a bad player, including me. And then when Devon's does it they're like, of course, he would do that. I'm not saying everyone, and look I'm taking an extreme position. I don't think Devon's is bad TV. I don't think he's a terrible player. But I just think like he's above reproach and certain respects in ways that he shouldn't be and I don't like asking for nickname on your. I think that shows a lot about the production that I don't love. I never asked to be called D school is my flu started calling. Schools. Literally did ask to be called D school bike started. I never asked. We sure about that. We checked on. We check the records. But I'm pretty sure that it was definitely the might win podcast. We'll go back and listen to that one. When we when we do this week and this weekend survivor history. Okay. Now, you have a connection to Rick Devon's. Now that you were telling me about beforehand before we started recording this show. Could you tell the audience multiple people at the live note also came up to me and said, you know, you have a doubtful ganger on the season. And it's Rick Devon's. And I. This. It doesn't suck it. I don't think it sucks. I I don't see it. I don't see the resemblance similar glasses. And maybe both a little case of the of the dad Bod. But yeah, it was like four or five people at live. No it also. And I think I did see it on Twitter from a couple of people saying that resembled him. But look all take it. I I know alley. You're not the biggest fan in the world. I say I I was hashtag devastated when he was out earlier in the game. And I'll take it appropriate difference five guests. He's tweeted us before I'm a fan alley. Would you cast Jordan Kayla as the young Rick Devon's? Or would you or Matthew Perry in what in what do I have to watch? For Devon stormy story. Yeah. I mean, I see that. I think that's a fair comparison. I I also like again, I didn't realize Evan. Listen to this cast. I never tweet criticism directly. Add a person, I hate people who do that. Unless you do it to me, then it's fun. No. But I I hope Devon's isn't offended by this criticism. If anything I'm jealous, you know, what I don't think it was like a personal criticism. Really? I think you're more critical of the people that are blindly standing, Rick Devon's. And I mean, look we criticize his move on this podcast where he where he told war dog that he didn't wanna work with with him. But he's I think he's recovered nicely. And to be honest. I actually think David getting voted out in the long run be good for his game. Because of his plan was to go to the end with David right? I don't think he's winning that. Yeah. That's interesting. I think that'd be closer case. Then like the Kelly lorrimore dog thing between ten David. But yeah, I. Devon's. Now, I'm tired talking about it on. Look, I I was happy to get the back story of why? Because I listened to the B and B I felt like that it was kind of like out of nowhere. But I do think that this is your thing. Somebody is almost universally beloved. You are going to be the voice of dissension. Playing second. Yeah. So I think Devon's locked to return on a season. Like, I think he's to the point that he's like this is what happens when somebody has experience in television. Like he's good on TV because he's his life is on Cameron. He knows what moments to produce. I'm just not reading it as super genuine. It's not my Cup of tea of survivor character. Okay. What's with all? These comparisons between me and survivors from Atlanta because everyone's things I Spencer whose from Atlanta. And that that really makes I hear it like I hear the similarity. But why does some guy from Atlanta have the same voices me who's from New York? And now, I look like this like Devon's who's also from Atlanta, maybe I should move there. Maybe I this is this is where I should be. That's what I'm thinking too. This feels like the sequel us. Alley. What did you make of Kelly who really her superpower in survivor has been? Okay, Kelly Wentworth. She finds the idol. She plays the idol when she needs it that was really her calling card coming into the season. And then true to form. She ended up finding that idol right before that double tribal council, and then here she was in the post merge with it in her pocket, and she talked about it. Hey, I've got the Seidel. I've got this idol. The good thing is if I'm feeling like I'm going to need it. And then ultimately, she goes home with the idol in her pocket. You feel like was this an ironic turn of events for Kelly worth. Yeah. I mean, I think part of it is what she says in the episode like she's used to playing from the bottom, and I think she got comfortable sitting in the majority alliance. Although maybe I missed it like, I didn't feel she was clearly in the majority. Alliance. Like if everybody's taking swipes at you. And you almost go home week after week like are you really comfortably in the majority alliance. Ron and Julie voting with them for one week all of a sudden like puts puts her at the top of the food chain. We'll be voted out David Wright eight to two at that previous travel council. So it was probably well actually it was the most lopsided vote. But the week before we ended up with nine votes gets Julia after all of the craziness. So I think it was starting to feel like at least based on what was on the episode that there was this group of six which came out of that tribal council where Julia went home, and then they voted out David Wright, and everything was going, according to form, and I think that she kind of got lulled into a false sense of complacency. But after one week and look like I would be terrible on survivor. I've said that a million times I don't think I'm like, oh, I would have sniff this out. But honestly like they were working together for one week. And yes, she was I think she played it, really. Well. During tribal council. She I think she has really really good tribal council performances and has made up for a lot of war dog blunders, especially with working on Ron but one week and don't you have to think I'm the only returning player left in the game. And while I don't think were dog and Lauren will flip on me. Everybody else is like in this nebulous space of an alliance. Wouldn't it be so easy to just say, let's get the last returning players out. I don't know why she wouldn't use it this week. I mean, she's had nerves of steel the whole time and chose learn. But I don't think it makes sense for a player idle until Kelly plays hers because I think they'll always be going for Kelly before Lauren, I think genius that they've made them think that the only advantages are available on extinction. So nobody's even guessing that they have an idol. And Kelly's able to find these things like why does it she trust her ability? You know in her Lauren found one already once you find one it's easy play it. If you don't you'll find it the next time you or Lauren, I don't understand why. Why she didn't pull the trigger? Although I guess I haven't understood why she hasn't played it earlier. So maybe I'm just saying this because she ended up getting voted out. This is why I really love the move that. We're dog made here. I do think it could end up blowing blowing up in his face where I don't think he was going home anytime soon, we're now potentially that he's made this move. He could be the next one to go. But I think going to the end as you said before with Lauren and was not going to work out. So well for him where now he's made this move every every vote that we get further into the game Kelly's idol has more power, and it becomes harder and harder to blindside her becomes like a Wendell Dominic situation. Even though they had the idols he didn't know that they had it. But you have to assume you're playing survivor with Kelly Wentworth, she might have it. And you're probably not going to beat her at the end. So I really think that this move. I didn't think that we're dog. I thought he was playing a good game. But I didn't think that he was necessarily integrate position to win. Now. I think he is if he's able to get past this vote, I think he could be in a very good position to win. But also it puts them in. Lot of danger. Because now he's so out in front. Yeah. This is the first time that I'm really starting to think about war dog is potentially being the winner of the season. So I think that that definitely in my mind, at least I think that he is in a better position now than he was prior to making this move 'cause I didn't see a path to the end for him where he was not going to be blocked by Kelly worth. So that's why I like the move for him, but just to go back to Kelly that alley I almost feel like that for Kelly. It would have been better for her in this post merge. If that they were able to just vote Rick Devon's backout as soon as he came back from the edge of extinction. And this was something that I was critical of the way that she was handling her business at the start of the merge. But if Rick Devon's goes out, and then maybe David right after that where ends up where sort of like that less SU three group ends up being the only people left with all comma. I think that in that scenario than I think that comma was due to crack at some point. And then. Based on if they're the last couple of people left, and then she knows the votes are coming her way. And then and then her or Lauren or able to play their idle at the right time that maybe that ends up being the more classic Wentworth Esq approach to this post merge. And maybe one that suits are better. Yeah. I was very confused by that was met with such extreme pushback or anything. She got really unlucky that Julie was such vocal moral, quote unquote, moral voice of like, oh, how terrible it would be devote amount again like he was out vote him out again hundred. I think she got really unlucky that it seemed like the new players were persuaded by the like, oh how devastating to vote him out. Again. I think that was like the clear right move for you had no issues with the morality of sending Rick Devon's back to the edge of extinction. Right. Why less moral to vote somebody out who's been in the game? Who hasn't been voted? Now. Like, why is that the more like the moral? I'm sorry. More and more. Like, why is that? The right decision. You know, what somebody's been voted out? He deserves to say somebody who's getting screwed by this twist. They should go. That's morality millennial judge rules. Like, why is that? Okay. All right Allie. Any other hot takes that you want to give us before we start to get into the social media from this week Unser -vivor, the only other thing I will be a couple of things. But the last thing I want to say about the Ron war dog move. Here is like maybe it is the path of the end for whore dog, and maybe Ron and war dog end up going to the end. I didn't ward could beat Ron in the end, especially because Ron word OG seems to be in control of all these moves. I think Ron and Julie's relationship has to be strained now. Ron potentially needs a new number one. He probably isn't worried about sitting next to war dog. I don't remember if he said anything about that. I know he's not thrilled to be working with him. But he really could've screwed dog this week by having were dog, right. Kelly's name down and Kelly not going home that would have been like a huge blow toward game. So I think they could be building some trust there. What else did I want to talk about? Oh, this is really random. But I was looking at Wikipedia today. Okay. Can I ask you who you would say came in eighteenth place this season? Who came in eighteenth place this season? I would say it was Keith why do you say that because he has went out of the game. And he got up prior to Wendy. Okay. So yeah, that is how we compete a- had it. But I think I so I they made the same decision that like tie goes to the person who lasted in the game longer. But I feel like they seem to vary. Purposefully raise the sail together, I think they should have been tied for eighteenth place aside for seventeenth place. Okay. Sure. It'd be eighteen eighteen sixteen is that how it would go Jordan. Go seventeen seven. But in my world millennial judge has ruled here both I get what you're saying. Because usually different the tops. It'd be like three teen seventeen and a half place. No, it's it's I. I agree with the Wikipedia method, though, I think that the person voted out, I if they quit together is last place, also Wendy's just better TVs desert seventeen and then we'll we then have tie for everybody that does not get back in from the edge of extinction of the hoop. Would they all then be tied for seventh place? Now, we'll have like what ten people tied for seventh place. Yes. That's why you have to do it the Wikipedia way because that would just get so confusing almost supposed to write trivia questions in the future about like player placement. If they're all in the same spot all part of my plot to end twists. All right. We're going to talk about the survivor social media, I, but we have a loop of an interesting intro. So Jacob Seger Weinstein who has been recording these intros for us all season long. I guess he was traveling or was busy this week. And so he ended up making three different intros based on his predictions for the episode. So I'm not really sure which one is going to be the most appropriate so for tweets of inches. Yes. Let's let's listen to all three. Here was version number one threes tweet psychic moved tweets victory daily said do tweets she did not. She did not anything one time. We have live purple rings. Okay. All right. Here's prediction number two. Tweets, compression, the tweets predict that someone got tearful confession. We saw some tearful confession. So we'll give give I thought. He should've. Cheerful confession tearful. Okay. To fall. I feel you get cheerful and tearful confessions in most survivor episodes. So that's a pretty safe prediction. And this was prediction number three baby. Big swing. The tweets that off is going to win this whole thing. And that when we don't know for a couple of weeks. No yet. Okay. All right. I be shocked. I mean, I love Aubrey. But I would be shocked at this point if she's out of the game for this long and wins. Okay. Wait, I have to say we just gave the best suggestion for Wanda off this week purple ream. Still time still time one of the beauties having twists so early in the week. Now, the one hour Robertson, I wrote a purple rain once rob didn't put in the top five. So we have smoke, rob. Okay. All right. Do you better? Keep his posted on that young. Rick. So let's talk about our social media from this one of the reason why I want to have alley with us here on twist this season was because this is where we're doing the social media. But when I reached out to Alaska to Booker for this podcast. She was very offended that she felt like that. This has a downgrade from last time we spoke which was on the survivor feedback show. But I said that look we need to have you here because this is where we do the social media. No. Honestly, I've become a big fan of this podcast. I no longer think it's downgrade. I again, just thought it was look it's on me. It's just like it's on me. I don't like to be quizzed on stuff. I'm not good at so anyways, don't worry about the quiz. Okay. I'll never do this again. This is a one time only. Okay. Maybe we'll have exit interviews next season. And we won't have this issue, but low or this to issue. So let's go ahead and let let's talk about social media. And just like we did last season. Just to like say that I was upset like I wanted. I wanted to say that because this is what this was the appeals to me of getting you here on this podcast was so that we could do the social media because it was such a big hit last time that you were on. Because what we did that time was I turned over the entire social media to Allie lash, and we have done that again today. So I do not have the social media. I did not follow it closely mostly because I was trying to avoid amazing race spoilers on Wednesday night where I did not want to get spoiled on the results of the reality star amazing race. So I do not know what was tweeted alley lash has everything and I turn over the entire social media segments alley Lascher. I want that edited to ally shares everything I want that Sandra up, and then I also want edited out of I turn over the segment tally Lajja there. The social media now I own R J P A J P. Yet. No, thank you to out Trevino again, you wrote a very professional operation. Here of is very impressed with your staff. Alex was great helpful and all the patrons. I also went through the patron thread and people some more stuff to add. So this was a pleasure to do anything. Good. I'm glad also I to actually grace for the first time maybe since I was like thirteen my grandma's been a longtime amazing race, Dan that I kind of fell off anyway. I don't know what I'll have the opportunity to talk about it because Jessica Leeson. Mike bloom had our recap and Taranov string had the exit interview this week. But I just want to say that there was there were two moments with that. I just I burst out laughing. I'm watching on the plane, and I burst out laughing when I saw a Brent Lebel, and and what happened with him. And then when when Rupert came out in in the unitards. I v people were still Steria me on the airplane. Want to hear take Rupert? Didn't look bad in the unitards. Oh. I mean expecting, but yeah, he's really he spanks. Right. I guess so people who were watching with me were like is that how Corinne really is like keep watching. Okay. Let's get into the social media. We're going to start off with Aurora. I loved this tweet when I saw it. So Aurora tweeted out a screen cap of news article from her hometown, she said, Ouch. Even my hometown news wants me out so badly they announced I was voted out. Wait what shrug emoji? And the headline is update Pensacola woman almost voted off survivor. I don't know if they originally wrote Pensacola women voted off, and then they had to update it. But that's maybe Julie's the of that. Publication. It was type they had some breaking news. This. Didn't it didn't that that that sound drop. Their didn't. They remind us something they would do on big brother that was so not a survivor thing. But I still loved it. Getting a little big brother in here. Ron Clark said at Stephen fish back fishy. My life is complete. So spoiler alert there the fishy. So I forgot to ask during live shows. So Ron so Ron got the fishy for voting. Kelly win worth I had an argument with Stephen outside of the nodoze because I was very anti Rob's move it as Allie said, she was earlier in this podcast. I think first of all it potentially loses trust with his closest ally. And he could have could have set up a big fight in the next episode between Kelly and word, I which would have been amazing and such a smokescreen for him. I really disagree with Stephen fish back is really becoming the voice of like old guy. Survivor of like, nobody makes nobody make a move to stick with the numbers. That's it. Ron didn't make him of nobody even was killing war dog for making a move. I was reading Stevens blog. So he's still got the click, but I stopped reading it after I saw that he doesn't highlight Knowles and his by only paraphrase podcast, so to delete. He's the host paraphrase. Where's where's note on looking under my computer know, it alls nowhere to be found here? Maybe the plug for. No, it alls comes on the paraphrase podcast. I'm sure I'm sure the people who listen to paraphrase of the nodal listeners to be clear war fishy for the first half. And Ron got a fishy for the second half. Okay. All right, there you go. So I gave Stephen two clicks. You're welcome. Okay. He wrote two different blogs for the tribal councils. And no, no, no just I looked at it earlier close to know it alls. And then just now pulled it up again. War dog tweeted a lot of things I don't understand. But I feel like there's an audience for them. So let's just run through them. He said the war dog is the doc Holliday of less, you always guns blazing. Then he tweeted when they ask which house. Do you serve were dog firmly responds the war dog doesn't serve any house the word serves realm. And then he I imagined Photoshop himself into a picture from what he's referencing reward is various in. What is he referencing? He's talking about game of thrones. But I would not say that if I was going to Joshua had joked on the wiggle room recently about matching up game of thrones characters to the edge of extinction characters, but I I would not have gone with various for war dog will maybe that's why war dog couldn't throw the balls because. Easy's on. The yellow card for you these school ish. I can't make unique jokes. Yes, no eunuch jokes here because I watched game of thrones for the first time on Sunday. And now, I know he's talking about, but I didn't know that guy by name war dogs. The realm. We did you start watching on Sunday with the first the first episode of the season. Or did you start with the premier? Yeah. I went back six seasons of game of thrones. It's seventy started with the beginning. I just watched the last episode. I got like three seconds knobs us, and I got it enough. I got it. You're not loss. But I don't understand war dogs tweets. But I understood the episode. Okay. So that Allie has sent me a screen shot of this is like a photo shop. War dogs, head on viruses body now, it makes sense because war dog is probably approaching finals at law school as I am. So you never have more time than than to Photoshop yourself onto various images. So I can relate to this is like a day one war dog with a completely bald head ala barris, and that might be the only comparison between garrison ward. Okay. So then he tweeted by the spider. So they both have animal nicknames spiders animal though. It's an animal RAV learn about analyzer is an alley. Can I get a rug a ruling on this millennial judge? I let me spy, let's see spider. An insect or insects animals. Yes. They're not. Yes, does not an animal. Going to get so much heat from this on Twitter of one hundred percent, right. An mammals. Arachnids or arachnids insects arachnids? Yes. I am on kids zone. Spiders onto a group of animals called arachnids scorpions might entail. Family. All right. He's a sandwich before spiders an animal. This is the new like antibac- like rob doesn't teach kids that spiders are animals like intervene. Are as Dominic. Dominic nosy answer to this. I'll ask him. Then he tweeted whom I think the word has been canceled on Instagram teenyboppers, not having it. Let's not address teenyboppers at all or dog. That would just be amazing. Then he said overturning players that you do have to deal with the stands on Instagram the war dogs, April eighteenth social media recap Twitter colon we love the war dog. We have been on this train since episode one war God for the win ready. We hated the word at first. But wow. Even though he still irks us at times. He's amazing. And we've changed our mind Instagram die. No read it has ever spoken like that. Like, oh, I'm gonna be reasonable like we hated you. I put now know you're slightly annoying. You're great. Nobody has ever said that in the history of reddish, all I feel like that the people that have turned on war dog have turned around on his social media more. So than his game play. I feel like that people felt like that. He was really. OTT on social media when he was blocking people. But now, I think that they have come to embrace him terms of social media, maybe more so than the gameplay de stand a war. God. I'm not okay. With war dog changing its name to work. That's what Twitter he didn't do it. It's not a Devon situation. He didn't make up his own nickname. That's what Twitter assigned to him. And then he said, the Oji mono tribe is one of the best collections of characters and TV gold. Let's say that survivor CBS has had one one starting tribe. If you add me a block, you ask Chrissy Chrissy is still blocking. At this hour, Krista still, but we needed a block watch much block the great segment. Yeah. You can have Brian hosted Brian's been blocked by car Maria longtime challenge van contested for a long time. Look cover Maria is into kinky stuff. But one thing she is not into is from but Cohen. Okay. That's beijing. So now, I'll have to tell Brian to listen to this broadcast. Angelina. Kelly Wentworth is still always be one of my hashtag survivor idols and she could still get back in the game fingers crossed. Okay. If only Kelly used one of her survivor idols, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Davy Rickenbacker said the great Davey Rickenbacker said I left my bag at the airport because I didn't want to be late for work law. Hopefully, I can retrieve it no problem or somebody about to have a killer wardrobe in the summer. Davy was a hosting these survivor CBS Instagram during the live know it alls on Wednesday night. I saw that. And what I need to know. That was incredible. What I needed to know is the microphone wasn't connected to any. It was a microphone. I don't like that Davey. Great job. But I felt like that if you were coming in like Allie Lascher into the season premiere of season eight of game of thrones not knowing what was going on that. What did people think that Davey was going to or was that because I feel like without any context of that? There was a live. No at all happening in Philadelphia. Like, I kind of feel like that. I would be very confused as a survivor casual I think that's fair. My question is like did survivors say he couldn't plug. The like, why didn't I don't think. That's a good question. That is a great question alley. Let's get to the bottom of t-bird needs to get on this. Great job for her to get to the bench. Sugarcoat it for you. Which will be nice. I just imagined. So I was at the first ever know at all in New York, which was like in the basement with twenty five people there and left early. I would like to have David going around with microphone at that event. I think that would be that would have been amazing. I think the people that were watching like we can I can I go to a movie theater and watch the survivor where all these people come from. I think it was. I think it was clear that it was like a big watch of maybe they thought it was like a CBS event because then he has the thing where you the very meta moment where you mentioned him on the podcast, and then it's in the in the age. So maybe they just thought it was like a kooky CBS event. I think he should've thrown you bone giving. You wouldn't kill them anybody. Yeah. What you know? I don't know. Talk to us. Maybe lost his luggage as karma. But that fire summer words, I was drove right to the airport when I saw this. To get to get the luggage. I actually when I was getting on my plane to come home from Philadelphia I hate with trying to like download the amazing race episode. And I was trying to get every everything together to get on the plane, and as I was boarding a woman came up to me and was like, sir. Is this your phone, and I was like oh my God. Thank you that. I almost left my phone at the Philadelphia airport. Wow. What a disaster. What does asked her Davey? Here is like he's so chill like leaves his job everything. Just reeks leases job goes comes back gets the job like goes on survivor gets the money, but who does leave their luggage books their flights. So close that he leaves his luggage at the airport. I'll get that later. Got gotta go to work someone steals. It was joking that he forgot his luggage at the airport. No, he left his bag at the airport because he didn't want to be late for work, and he's going to go back and get it. Okay. So Davies going to. Oh, pump the banks. It's very Seinfeld where he's just like, even Steven. So he'll just find it other suitcase somewhere else, he'll come back and get it. That'll just workout things. Don't just like workout for me like that like my luggage somewhere for thirty seconds. It would be like exploded by the bomb squad. Like sorry. You left your luggage unattended? Here's like some shards of your clothing war dog even Steven when he got a fishy for the first trouble council, and then got chastised by Stephen for the second council. Well, according to war dog. He's got quite a collection of fishes doesn't seem phased at all. By the criticism. We'll get to that a little later. Christian the original commentator during the challenge said I would be stunned if Aurora's days after that Ron keeps Wentworth in the game. But war dog just in Asterix voted for her split up. Three keeps advantage hashtag survivor next week. I am stunned. Carl gotta shout. The godfather is he pop ac-. We have mama sees copy. Did he give himself the name pop ac- or you anointing him pop ac-? I don't know my friend could probably ask him if he's mama sees mom. Before the podcast show. We'll let me. So you said that I told you I was having mama see on the podcast on Monday night. And you said that you who you attended the worlds apart finale, and that you have a friend not Missy who asked of mama sees husband. If he was mama. Sees dad. Yes. I've done this before. But yeah, it was on the bus like for the busing the family and friends to the event, and you know, he looks enough that he could be it would be impossible for him to be her her father. But it was so funny. Maybe pop ac-, we have we need a pop ac-. He said second person to go with an idol what the hell is going on to Riber like, really? Yeah. He's in this belief game. Play master of gameplay pop ac- CBO, we have a nice. Selection tweets, Blerta, who got probably one of your favorite tweet. Twitter handles ever just at Lisa. That's a good one. Yeah. She's a real Kirk Clark. She says. Devon's toss me one of your balls. Yes. Another balls challenge. Hashtag does. Jeff. No. I love these talked about them on the podcast that one of her big regrets on survivor was that she did not get to be a challenge where Jeff could have talked about her balls. How do we get that into her next survivor tattoo? I'm talking about talking about balls with a few ping pong balls at the nobles afterwards. Excuse me. Yeah. I think ping pong is not a great idea for a place where people are consuming alcohol I-. Well, yeah, it was fun though. All right. I I've ever played sports at a at a after Nobel's after party while we continue to talk about inside jokes that nobody had access to besides the two of you. The people were in the my question, rob is when have you been in a situation where people played ping pong in a place where there isn't alcohol. I feel like. But but people like view. Yeah. Okay. Parents basements, and bars. That's the only place I've encountered ping pong table. SQL man to be fair. It's only rob second worst podcast the first being that spiders are not animals is it take. That was a question. Are we get back to talking about the social media also want that sound can we get back to Allie? I'll play that on my own podcast anytime something. All right. So Lear said Devon's with his second ball out there, how balls shake survivor hashtag loving it. Next. Tweet Ron has his second ball has checked survivor hashtag, so many balls. And then the last she said Devon's has two bowls in the run. How please give me more. How to go balls? Hashtag survivor hashtag love balls challenges has to so many balls hashtag BOS we gotta get Lisa on the podcast on speed dial anytime that they have a ball's challenge. So into it get in there. Dr Mike speaking of balls he said knock knock highlight. Pilot a passenger I'll take guy with a parachute for the win. Nash tags survive. Not bad. Never jump out of a plane without a parachute. That's what I tell everybody. To me, Dr Mike, I'm not back them on. That's not bad. That's pretty good. All right. Joe Meena Desi Desi defended Joe Meena or the meant like that. As a anyway, I asked on the Alexis Maxwell Desi from survivor, h and I said, he's war dog Tonia that his war dog Joanna. She said no that Joe men is better than more dog. Does he's so Jomon says imagine this season without Reema or Rick laugh crime Oji team hashtag TV how Shug survivor now that to me does not sound like a man who doesn't wanna be compared to other people. I mean, he's using TV. Oh, that's interesting is he'll wear that. That was Tony's original hashtag what an amazing big time to like recoup that would like re purpose somebody else's hashtag that you've been compared to just be like, oh, I don't even. I don't know her. I don't know that hush. I love Joe Mana, so happy not lame. I need