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New: ROMANA | Welcome To The Music
"It is October 6th 2020. Earlier this afternoon, Greg. We heard of the passing of Eddie Van Halen. Yeah, it's with a tough one. It's a big one not a not a surprise though. Play music on their podcast. We should ask Rick beato if Van Halen and Walkers when he comes on our podcast. Yes. Yeah. So it's been battling cancer for a while, right? Yep. Yep. You're the musician. Tell why don't you sort of your thoughts on his Yeah, then Hanlon Van Halen was probably. One of my favorite debut albums of all time. It was just song after song. That was absolutely incredible. Thank you Van Halen changed. I don't change rock but Second rocket arm, but he certainly yeah, he did he change the way things were done. No, I mean, yeah, it's I mean they've had such a massive impact for for for a number of years. Again from that debut album, you know through to the since and I'll say seem the poppy but then there were so many amazing songs off of Nineteen Eighty-Four but like a jump jump was the song that every keyboardist went into the music store and wanting to play you played it and then the music store owner and say get the hell out of here off get off my keyboard. Yep. we're we're living in a Time Greg based on our based based on our age that you know literally since over the past five plus years and moving forward were just going to lose a lot more of these artists and musicians that we grew up listening to. Yep. Right so and whether it is something like cancer or whether it is drugs or whether it's just old age. Or complications related to you know, whatever. We're going to lose these people more and more and more right and wrong. I think the the it's hard to find sort of positives with with all of these but I I think that you know, when someone like Neil Peart passes or Eddie Van Halen today fans have something to look to look back at to look and even to look forward to right, you know, you look back at maybe contracts went to where you look back at like you said, you know the first the debut album sort of you know hits you But it's also music that you sort of you listen to all the time or that you can write like a week from now or this this weekend when you're driving up to the cottage you might put on some facts as you're driving and notice that you driving too fast because the vpns are just making, you know, just drive a little faster than you really wanted to but hi the following podcast is brought to you by radical Road Brewery the best craft beer in the heart of Leslieville find him at 1177 Queen Street East. That's radical Road Brewery am Romana and I am a multidisciplinary artist visual artist and musician and I'm on Welcome To The Music chatting with cream and Greg. Don't forget and Greg Greg. Sorry, let's redo it. Welcome. Okay. Not as perfect. You just made me feel so good where my so much as such a fragile ego that I'm just going to cry once more. I'm really sorry. That is all good. Five and half years remind us since you left the office. You must miss it a lot. No, no not even a little bit. I actually when I run into people from I guess from the office from the club world. Like I don't even really remember like how we knew each other like it's a weird thing where I'm like, oh, I guess we work together but how and where and why like, it's just it feels like such a difference in my life. So definitely can't say I miss it. I mean, that's a lie. I missed sort of knowing what I'm going to get paid. Like, that's kind of a cool feeling I guess. Yeah, I know kids are kind of cool. But yeah, but outside of like the everyday nine-to-five grind doing something that I didn't really feel super passionate about I know definitely don't miss that at all. That's cool off. Listen, I I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about about you. It's you know, we've all sort of been dealing with with Cove in everything around it in various ways off. How you been keeping Romano past six months or you recently? I mean, I think initially it was really challenging to sort of like settle in and sort of understand that the the work that I have been working on is just going to be on pause because of this thing that I couldn't control and I feel because it took me such a long time to actually get to this place where I'm working on an album to have it just kind of all have the choice, you know be sort of like pushed out was really a little bit frustrating. So originally I had a really hard time sort of like coming to terms with the fact that were all sitting inside the house and kind of like staring at each and then I started to really like really appreciate sort of like the Solitude and the pause because it gave me the opportunity to really wage on the things that I had sort of been putting off to the side for a really long time and one of the things actually that I'm currently trying to figure out is sort of like how to get my energy levels up birth. And I don't think I realized how much I had been burning out until I had to pause and I was like, wow, I'm really really tired. And so, you know since then I've been working with a naturopath been doing all the green juices and the cleanses and like things I've never done in my life. And I don't know if that would have happened necessarily if we know we wouldn't have had the opportunity to really just take a step back and really prioritize what is important and might help unfortunately and I think this happens a lot when you're you know, in a fast-paced sort of like industry wage. There's a lot of things that sort of like take a back seat. And for me my health would would one of them is not like I was you know, nothing I didn't have anything dire, but it was just you know, I wasn't I wasn't eating the best just cuz I was like grabbing stuff on the go and it wasn't sleeping like eight hours cuz I was like, well just stay up really late wake up early and you know all the things that we all do and yep. It's been really great to sort of like take a step back and look at all of that and be like, that's really not good in the long run. I know one of the things you know, and I look back on it sucks me the other day, you know the ass out of the work situation was and I said, I've been working from home six months and they said how is it and that question I found interesting because the answer today in the answer 5 months ago is very different. You must into it as like, oh dude, I love working from home. There's no traffic. I don't need to worry. I I've saved myself, you know, whatever how many hours I go on more walks and now it's like I need to see people I need to I I, you know, I see Greg every day not every day every week but we haven't yeah, you know, we haven't done the Bro hug. In in six months yet. I I see you all the time, right? It's it's really it's really weird not having that that ability to just to see and be around people that I'm curious like with with you. How was it, you know, maybe thinking it's it'll be a two-week thing too long. Oh dude this might last for a while. I think initially probably much like the rest of the world. I was taking it very seriously. I also have asthma so I'm like, okay now leaving the house like, you know, my my husband do all the groceries and all the outside work which is kind of great and then I I guess like a couple of months into it. It's not that I wasn't taking it as seriously, but I was like, okay, maybe I can go to the park or whatever and I think as summer sort of like world around and Patio started back up and things just sort of started to get a little bit less restricted. I gave myself permission to sort of, you know be out and about in a safe way. Like I mean after I went to I went to The black lives matter protest with like 10,000 people. I was like, okay, I'm good. I'm going to start going out now cuz yeah in that monks ten thousand people and I'm fine, you know, of course like being safe and being a super protective of the people that I that I know are like my parents were probably a little higher risk than myself but I I think when summer rolled around I a lot of us were just like okay we're going to we're going to be outside. So I guess being outside is safe. I don't even know. Yeah, and that kind of I think that was really for my mental health and just for like my creative or creativity was really was really amazing. And so it's like now that's it's getting a little bit colder. I had started to feel a little bit of the antagonism with wait what kids see anyone birthday. So I don't think it's processed yet, but we might be going back into some version of what we just experienced in March or last winter rather, but yep. It has been really nice to have this like summer break and I actually feel like mother nature almost planned it that way. She was like, okay. I'm going to give you guys a virus what I'm going to do it in such a time that you will be able to walk outside in the summer cuz I feel like if we were to have gone into sort of you know, like quarantine during the summer month. It would it would have been way more challenging probably way more depressing. So I do I do believe that it's all Divine the universe has some sort of plan but and do that sort of time of allowing yourself off to go out and explore like that around sort of the same time that you were able to you know, think of your health and think of the music in that like was it Yeah, I think it was definitely all related. I mean I'm realized I never went to walk before would you like a real thing like cuz at one point I was like well, there's nothing else to do but go for a walk down and I started to discover all these really amazing things. And so I felt like like I was literally a child rediscovering my neighborhood that I've been living in for three years for the first time which was really interesting and like going to local bakeries and I'm doing a lot of the things I wouldn't be doing before because I was always like on the go getting running on the subway or whatever. So, you know, I think I think the exploration definitely has a has been good for for like the music in terms of like, you know material and just giving giving me like something something else to talk about and we also got a puppy. So we're like one of those people I got a quarantine puppy we've seen so many of them in the park, which I think it's like we've we've always considered having one but both of us wage. Always really busy and could never commit to being at home enough to actually like take care of a puppy and so it's been really nice to finally be able to do that and you'll you'll be at home and like trained them and do all the things and actually go for walks. So yeah, there's been a lot of like really beautiful sort of like Silver Linings and buy products that have come out of warranty for sure. How your phone number to go for walks. Yeah. Yeah. Now I have to yeah in the winter as well. You gotta yeah, we have I mean, we'll cross that bridge when we get there and then we will definitely have to go for walks, but feel like they'll be quicker know it doesn't like the cold which is awesome. So I'm like, okay good. He's the cold awesome. He'll he'll be a quick like winter Walker. Yeah. We're getting this on October 6th earlier today founder and lead guitarist of Van Halen passed away. Eddie Van Halen. I know for me and for Greg, you know, we thought We tend to to to listen to a lot of louder, you know Hard Rock stuff and definitely, you know consumed a bunch of Van Halen vinyl in our days and I know music for you is also important obviously. Yeah, you know, whether it was any uh today or whether it was, you know, other musicians wage, you did a painting of of Nipsey when soon after he passed I wanted to ask you, you know, when you're you know, putting the air quotes when your Heroes die or pass what how do you how do you react to that in how you know, do you do you do anything as an artist to remember? I mean when I when I was painting I would always I don't know if you can see behind me. There's like a painting of Alia that I did. Yeah, so I thought I do always feel like I need to honor them somehow and for me, I think generally like the way that feels the easiest in that moment is as a painting job and it just kind of like Let It Flow and when Nipsey passed away even though I wasn't super connected to his music, I think I knew like one of his songs the one song that he has his wife. I was super connected to like who he was and what he stood for. And so I definitely like I felt sort of you know that void when it happened home and just I think also right now like being a part of you know, the social media world like you can kind of see how how people actually impact communities and, you know, even in LA and different page, In the world and so I definitely felt like I needed to to honor him in a way that you know just was like flowing through me and I was like Hey going to get a paint brush going to get like a blue color of the men just go and and that's what I did. So yeah, I do but I do find that I like kind of get obsessed with like with dead artists and I I don't know what it is off and I've talked to other people about this but I think it's like this idea of not being able to live out their potential or their dream and I think the reason why become obsessed with that is I I think it's something that I don't want for myself. So I I look at that like as like a, you know, almost like a reminder of the fact that like, you know life is fragile in and change the time is, you know, it was of the essence essentially it could run out at any point. So but I do have this weird thing where I become obsessed like I went down and Nipsey Hussle rabbit-hole immediately after birth Yes. Yes. Okay. So when you and I first met yeah, you were so so I don't know if I've ever told this story. I don't think I've told you this story but I was I was probably like a year into podcasting and people were always talked to this person talked to this person and a phone number, and said you need to speak with Ramona and I said, okay and I'm looking at a go. She she has this website. She does Mehndi she does these great thoughts. What the heck let me talk to her and I have to tell you this at the time you were the most popular download. Well, I spoke to go home. Who is this girl? And why is everyone know her all of a sudden? It's a dude. She knows everyone. I know it was wild. And so and so you taught me a lesson to never Never doubt or or never sort of second-guess. Someone says yeah, you need to speak to this person. There is a reason so I want to thank you for that lesson that that you're that you taught me but Thank you for sharing that. You're welcome. But that's who you wore to me. When we first met and you did some prints. I think you did a you did a Skyline of Toronto that you gave to a rapper. What was that story? Yeah, give it the Cardinal the the print was actually inspired by Cardinal home. It was called p. T. O. One of a Kind which is like one of his lyrics and I ended up randomly meeting him and I I guess I had the print on me I got yeah. I actually there might have been some planning cuz I don't know why I would have had it on me. But anyway, and yeah and it was able to give it to him and took him know that you know, he sort of he oh he inspired the print because I had created it while I was on a trip with my family in Dominican Republic and we saw him in the airport down. And me and my sister was like is that correct? How official and my mom was like well, let me just go confirm that and she and she walks up to him and she's like are you cardi B like? Yeah, and then she's like, oh my my daughter's want to like take a picture of you or something and I was like Mom cool and basically we didn't take a picture with him. But because my mom like gone and you know sort of like asked him if he was who he was there was like a group of girls that sort of like surround him. It was really funny. So I was able to tell him that story. I'm like remember this like women that came up to the airport. You're probably found my mom and so and then again so so so cool. I wonder if you do, you know what he has in his place or I don't know actually. The reason I ask is I don't know if you and I have talked about this. I know we talked about the habits, but yes, my my my first marriage I'll put it that way home. I got married at his house now. It wasn't. Yeah. No, it's been in my my aunt and uncle he bought from my aunt Uncle years ago. And so I have spent so much time down there. So I just feel like I know his house so well, yeah, I mean that is so cool five years around that house. Anyway, yeah. Yeah. Love Toronto Love Story. Yeah. I don't know if it was the next time cuz I'm sure I've seen you around. I can't remember but was at a an art exhibition that you had in the East End. Yeah dead masks. What was it it was a mask show. What was the name of it was called. It was called masks and molds masks and yeah, great show got a print great. Great artist here. Um, you're welcome. I've okay. So here's the question. How do you get into music? Where where is the transition? Yeah, how does this happen good question. So I've actually been a singer my whole life. I'm actually like The Wedding Singer Community. I'm sure I sang in a wedding that you've been at cream. But I I would never I guess I never was I guess I don't know who took confident or what it was but I never thought that I could make my own music and last year. I got married and basically planned and produced and programmed performed at this wedding. So like I was like a creative Festival essentially and then it was done and I was like, oh my God, I'm still bored. So I had this massive void to fill and I was like, okay, you know what? I'm going to I'm going to push myself and a minute right thing and recorded Thirty songs, and thirty days. I had never written or recorded any music in my life and and I did it in 30 days and it was easy. And I was like, okay, hold on. I don't know if it's supposed to be that easy. Like I like my my single that's actually My First Single. That was that's out right now. I wrote it in 12 minutes. Just like easy and I was like, okay, maybe there's something here and I think a few things happen from sort of like when I left the corporate world. I think I got into Mehndi initially because it was a very easy sort of like first step into a creative, you know business. I already have the skills and I knew that there was a need for it in the market and shoving on after that and moved on to murals and I kind of again was always sort of thinking with this like, you know more business hat first versus art and I think in order to like them to be able to create art, you have to have some sort of privilege and for the first time in my life last year, I finally had savings and I was like, okay now I can do whatever I actually want to do and want to actual birth. To do is make music and I'm sure you guys know like producing music and actually creating an album is not. Your engineers and you're pretty one that touches the work and I finally have the resources to do that. And so I think you know, I do think that everything I've done to this point has obviously, you know crowded or like somehow involved me into the person. I am right now, but it a lot of things I think has to be has to happen and have to be true in order for me to feel like supported and you know financially and even emotionally in order to actually be like, okay. I'm going to want to make an album but I have literally been singing my whole life the visual arts just as easy to you as the music. Yes. So actually I I love that you asked that as I was sort of going down this musical path wage. I was like man like I I don't know how the visual arts is going to fit into the music Journey and like I kind of miss it and I think that happens, you know, when you like leave one thing and you're like, oh I kind of miss that thing and I think it's just human nature and Ed. Because of covet I was kind of like forced to direct my first video and I really gave myself the opportunity to you know to really like faith in in play and just do all the things that I didn't think was possible and I did it and it was amazing and I was like, okay, there we go. There's the visual art play right there so long. Yeah. I mean, I think I think I'm just like a vessel and I just sort of like gravitate towards different, you know ways to express myself and took luckily so far. I've done pretty okay at most of them. So I'm just going to keep doing that. But yeah, I ran into a friend actually. I this summer we did a a pretty massive black lives matter mural in Kensington Market. It was something that myself and for other artists sort of like organized and we got 16 other artists wage. To to get involved. I don't know if you guys you know social media and it was my first time sort of like doing a I did like a stencil of am a female silhouette and I just repeated in different colors and what that was supposed to represent was the rise of women and the different types of women that you know, Toronto represents and I was telling him it was Mike girl my first time playing on the floor and he's like school like you always do that. If you like, it's always your first time doing something. I was like, yeah, actually it is so I think as an artist I really appreciate being challenged and you know, these are the ways that I that I'm challenging as well just concentrating these things. How does how does that that long Street mural in nine Kensington? How did that come about you let that Yeah, so I actually had seen what was happening in Washington. I don't know if you guys saw the mural that happened in Washington, which was all I think it was all yellow wage one color and then somewhere else in America. Can't remember right now. They had done a mural where all the letters had like different. I don't know if it was done by different life, but they all had like three of their own different flavor and I was like we need to do this like I felt like I think of Toronto as such a Melting Pot in such a global community and I was like why am no really said anything especially some of the artists community and so I called up my friend Javid who you might know and he's also a mural artist. I want to do this thing and he was like, okay cool. Like let's call up a day music by Young yummy on Instagram. So we called him up and he's like, hey, let's called me Lo and like we just started, you know getting together like a crew off. Help organize and then each of us reached out to all the different artists of we know and have worked with and every single artist that we reach out to was down and said, you know, we brought all of our own supplies all of our own paint brushes and paint cans and I think it was such a testament to how powerful this movement this movement is and how important it is for us to to speak up and to show up especially as a as a city at diversity of Toronto and was it was it the Bia that said, yeah, we wanted we wanted here or did you guys literally just take over the street? We took over the street. We let them know because because we have some artists that live in the community and so we didn't want them to hate us wage, but we we didn't ask we were like just to let you know this what we're doing and you know, I don't know if you've noticed that there's like a global movement happening right now. We need to suck. Participate and they were really they were super cool. They actually they came and they dropped off water for us and they they helped us put up sort of like the the signs got a permit from the city to shut down the street cuz we of course wanted to make sure that our artists are safe and we actually ended up doing it on Canada Day July first which really worked out for us because a lot of businesses were closed. Anyway, I think it was also sort of like an opportunity for us to reclaim, you know, cuz it's Canada day but was not even mean and if like all Canadians aren't, you know free in their bodies and see how how can we celebrate candidate? So just kind of beautifully worked out that we were able to get the average life or if we were trying to get it for another day. And again, I think it was just the university like wage is a better day and this is what should happen but it was it was beautiful. We had amazing conversations on the Street and Kensington. A lot of people were asking questions. And yeah, it was just it was just a very beautiful girl. For for all of us nice. So what's it holding space that that was your fifteen minutes of time to write that song 12 minutes. Yeah. So why why that song as your first release? What's what's what's special about that one time and everything well to be honest. It was the only one that I had finished recording and had mastered when the pandemic happened. Like I had a sessions book like everything was kind of everything was kind of already planned and then everything shut down. So it was it was an interesting sort of life. I guess. I think it kind of happen like as it was supposed to as I keep saying cuz the song really did make sense for the time but actually the day that true domain Answered that he was going to close the borders and I think that's the day when everyone was like, okay. This might be a real thing. I had actually uploaded the music in to my to my distributor and so it was going to go live and I was like, how am I supposed to be? Like, hey guys, look at my new songs while the world is burning. I was like I took it down which was like sort of my first pivot and you know, I think it's just it was I think it was my first sort of like experience of feeling disappointed and like, you know had all this like momentum and excited and then and then you know, Corona was like, nope. Not not not right now, but wait about two weeks and I think you know, I think waiting obviously made a lot of sense cuz there was a lot of other more important things to be talked about especially on different social platforms wage, but I also feel like holding space which essentially is, you know, sort of like giving yourself permission to think about what you need for yourself off. Like for like emotionally mentally even physically and I think at least for myself I have finally the opportunity to really think about what I wanted to prioritize and home space. The song is actually just asking you to do that. And so it just really works out in terms of like when I was able to release it. I think I think it really spoke to sort of like people were experiencing being in quarantine for the first six weeks. So it I think all things work out exactly how they're supposed to and that song want you and it did is definitely one of those things. Yeah. So so you did this Thirty songs in 30 days. What's is it? Is it a lifetime of experiences? That is influencing what you're right about 5 or like how how do you choose? Okay, this is like the day you wrote holding space. What's going through your head? What's going through your heart that that's the song? You're right. Actually funny funny story dead. I had an experience where like I had to hold space for someone and they weren't like very like aware of themselves. And that's when I was like, I gotta write the song So basically like a friend had called me and was complaining about her life and her you know boy problems or whatever for 1 hour and I'm just like, okay cool and I didn't get a word in and then they're like, oh, can I call you back in like a second? I was like cool sure and when they call me back, I don't pick up because I'm like, I literally can't hold it for you like them too much and I need to let go take a bath now and recover from like all the shit that you just threw on me. And that's that's the word. I was like, I can't be the only person that feels this I'm sure other people will relate to this. So I'm a write a song about it. I think that's why it took it was so easy for me to write it because I had just had this experience and like literally in the song I say, so if you call me I'm going to decline and that's like I had just done that. So it was very easy. Like like talking about an experience that I just had have you have you talked with this friend since about the song being about them? Oh really don't know life would be so awkward. They love the song too. So really wow. Well, all four of our listeners are going to go out and try to find this person. So I you know, we have six now by the way. Oh we have six lessons that the Argentinean. Yeah awesome wage. Oh, dude, I forgot what I was thinking. I should take some notes next time but so so second song. Yeah is oh, this is what I wanted to ask you. What what does your writing the song? Is it the words to the words come to is there a melody in your head? What's how does how does that work for you. I think the melody came first. So a lot of times what I do is like Melodies will just come to my head and I'll just I'll grab my phone and I'll just sing in to my voice recorder app. I'll just be like, oh not like, you know, like make sure that I record a melody and then I'll come back to it and be like, oh, maybe I could add these words to it. Okay, and so am I had I had the melody for the hook and I had just kind of wrote what I thought like me might make sense for the verse and it didn't actually come to life until I was in with my producer and I was like, this is my hook. Like where do we go with this and he's like, hey, maybe we do this maybe we do that and so I don't know if the actual sound of it is really boring until I, you know link up with the producer. And I'm like, this is what I like. I have this melody. I have these lyrics what are we going to do? But yeah, so for this one particularly the hook came the men and then I just kind of wrote a song. Okay, are you now? I don't know. Do you have a keyboard now that you're sort of doodling around with are you on your computer with with programs with Samsung stuff like that or are you there yet or no? No, I so I I do DJ but I think one one of the things that I've been really good at home, especially the ones I started to walk on the music path is just staying in my Lane. I feel like if I start getting excited about a keyboard and guitar and like all these other things don't focus on actually like doing this thing that I know that I'm I'm really good at and I've experienced that, you know so many different other areas in my life where I like I just sort of take every day. And I think a lot of artists do this where I definitely am guilty of this where I'm like, well only I can do it as good as I want it done. So I'll just do everything and you know going back to burn out. I think that's like one way that you're definitely going to burn out if you're producing your music and you know, like doing all the other things so mind you I am doing all my marketing and all the other stuff but like the production I leave it to the producers. So and we have a very low and I was just going to say like the flow has been great so far and are you working with any like are you working with a producer wage down together you work with musicians and then collaborations from that to bring the music. So both of the producers that I've worked with on the on the first two singles, they are all wage musicians as well. So they're not just they're not just sort of like doing it on their computer. So and then I think they I don't know how they do this. I don't know about much wage. Within like play something and then it just on the computer and I'm like cool. That's awesome. So yeah, that's definitely how we've been sort of like working so far. That's cool. Talk to us about your second song. Melanin. Is this another thirty and thirty project or this sort of it off? Okay. Yep, you feel like the whole album is probably going to be most of it's going to it's going to be like music from the 30 30 projects like just a lot of good content there. So you can't waste it why this one number two, is it is it a matter of you finish the mastering on this one next to wizard. Is there a reason why this is number two. I also like what took going into the pandemic like a had a plan of sort of like what songs I wanted to put out and what order and melanin was the second one and it just made sense for the time. So actually I was supposed to put on melanin in June because the song is about you know, it's about shade ISM and it's about sort of like not being out in the sun and Thursday. Hiding from the Sun and so I was like, this is the Summer Jam for sure come on in the summer and I wasn't working on not only mixing and mastering but I had to sing the vocals like so the only thing that was wrong done was like a very bare sort of like beat and though myself and the producer were working over resume to you know, build the beat up and then from their Studios had finally back up and I wage could call them and go in the studio. They're like sing it. So it was a lot of like there's a lot of different like pieces and moving parts for it to actually like sort of like come to life and home so it took a little bit longer than holding space which was created during a time where you know, we didn't have any of these limitations. Yeah. It's also your first video. Yeah, the first video also my first self-directed video, which is pretty cool. Yeah, why you chose this to be your first choice and not holding space. Maybe it was just a result of where we were in the world and not being able to sort of move around and collaborate and stuff like that or was that another reason. So I did try to shoot a video for holding space and it was really early in the pandemic. And so the shooter I was working with like didn't want to get close to me and like it was like a very long it just wasn't you know, what either of us wanted. I think there was so many different restrictions like we did we can we couldn't actually get like a legit cameraman and like all the things and so I just wasn't what I wanted to put out into the world and whereas when we shop melanin, you know at a whole team. I had a bunch of my friends come to the beach and like it was you know, we we had more dead. Um sort of space to to do different things and so it just makes them too. And I think also the message of melanin is so much. I think it's so much more important especially right now, So it kind of made sense to have, you know a visual to to go along with it. Cool. So what I'm really interested in, I guess you haven't. There's been no chance, I guess to perform live has there or or have you done stuff like online and in front of people? Yeah, I was doing this. I do live series. It was actually called holding space off and I was like sitting down and talking to a like a bunch of different women that I'm inspired by that are also artists and at the end of that I would do a performance package. Yeah. So I've I've been doing sort of I did the I do live thing. I stopped doing it. I don't even remember. It's been a couple of months. I am doing another performance at the end of this month. I don't even know what day it is and like yeah in October so it's but it's obviously not the same. I think it's very challenging when she can't interact with the crowd. You don't know if they like it or if they're singing along or like what sort of the vibe is. Yeah, but I think the shirt that's just sort of you know where we're at right now and you just kind of got a month. You just got to roll with it. Yeah, what do you think? What do you think it's going to look like moving forward? I mean, you know you start to see bands that are auditioning sort of the El mocambo gigs and but they're still only like a dozen people in the room were more than that. But you know, I mean it what do you think? I mean, I definitely think it's an opportunity to to innovate for sure like as myself as a life experience designer and like an artist who does installations like I've so many cool ideas of like the different things that are that are possible and I do think that from an accessibility perspective is kind of cool that now all of a sudden, you know, my friends and fans from Tanzania can tune in when I'm doing a show in Toronto which wasn't possible obviously right before or endemic. So I definitely think there's a lot of opportunity. I think it's probably going to be a little weird and not that great in the beginning, you know until we figure it off. But I know I've heard I don't know if it's ESPN or like some sports network is sort of like piloting some cool technology right now to sort of like allow fans to have the most optimal experience because we're not going to be able to go back to the stadium. And so I'm curious to see what other industry sort of like create and how music industry can then like Leverage that and sort of like that to create amazing experiences from your home. Like how cool is it to go to a concert from your house? Like it is kind of cool. And so yeah, I'm curious to see like what the industry and like does and how they sort of like step up but I do feel like they're going to be like, I do feel like this is sort of like the end of music as we knew it off live music as we knew it and there's going to be some like crazy song Crazy something. Yeah. Yeah. So listen, it's it's almost time. I want to ask if we can log. If U Can grant us one more question each Sure. Yeah, cool. So you haven't you have a full-length album coming out you have an EP coming out like what sort of em, how are you releasing it? Is it going to be drip drip or are you going to pull a full project out what's coming up? So it's an EP. I have been I have been dripping off. I was planning to just drop the EP but because I didn't finish the album and just wanted to like get it out there ended up dropping some single. So I'm going to be dropping one more single at the end of this month and then hopefully if everything goes according to plan and the the whole world doesn't shut down again, I will drop the album by the end of the year off you decided. Yeah, I'm really excited. I actually feel I feel re-energized. Finally. I think not knowing when I could start working on music again. The little a little frustrating and it feels good to you know, go back into the I'm going back into the studio on Thursday and check with my producer again. So and like in real life, which is like really cool and something we haven't done. So I'm really excited to sort of get back into the into the group of like making music again. Nice. Very cool. My question for you is what you like to ask this one to finish off what's in your ear buds lately. What have you been listening to? I've been listening to sza who I loved. I also I also just always listen to really old music not really old nineties music. I'm like obsessed with with nineties music and yesterday for some reason I decided to listen front to back early as 4 a.m. Which was interesting and also a little bit triggering because I kept hearing R Kelly and how much he shows up in the album and the things you sing and I'm like, how did we may not know like it's anyways and it's it's it's so interesting to also listen to that now, you know as a as a grown woman and as a feminist and and just feel like it actually makes me kind of like sad almost that like we all were like vibing to her music and we kind of saw R Kelly, you know in the background on the album cover like looking at home. Like kind of like a pervert or like school like an album whatever or he's on her album. So yeah, that's that's what I was listening to yesterday. And I was just very much money from like a like a critical more like grown woman sort of perspective of like, what are you just saying what so yeah, but I feel like I am I I'm usually listening to if it's not a nineties R&B, it's some like new R&B slow jam by that have come out recently and I think another artist that I'm like really into right now. I'm Allegra like I just love her vibe and I love her toes. Remind us. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been a pleasure. I hope to do it again soon. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. I hope you guys have a safe and wonderful night and just what I'm saying, if people want to find out more about you, where do they go? This is normally his line, but he blew it. He blew the hose 15 seconds cuz he blew the whole. You can check me out on my Instagram at Romana r o m a n a k a s s a m or my website ww.w. Am. I awesome. Thank you so much. Thanks guys. Have a good night. Yes. Thanks. Thanks a lot of you to have a great night. 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David Strickland | Spirit of Hip Hop
"Welcome to the pre-show. Welcome to the pre-show for those listening. We highly recommend Rick beato and his YouTube channel. Yes. It is. Awesome stuff and Thursday. We are hoping that when he listens to this that he will accept an invitation. We'd love to have him on this. Oh my goodness. I would love I would I would totally be Thursday. Oh, yeah for sure. I would just literally press record. and like leave the studio my room and come back after an hour. Sort of wrapped up. I would let both him and you sort of yeah, like I would like to my challenge me. Tell me why we built this city for rock and roll is the greatest song ever been just turn it off and leave. Or what do you think? He probably turn it off at that point and leave as well. What are these kids talking about? So I want to thank everybody. for subscribing To our podcast welcome to the music.com on Apple podcast Spotify Google soon-to-be Amazon music, by the way. Because we are our ranking in Cypress. So thank you. We are right. We are like a top 100 Jazz podcast in Cyprus questionnaire. And we cousins I have from Cyprus in sight are like currently living in Cyprus are using computers at Service Parts. I purchased directly. What should we know about that interesting the radio book came out the ratings book. I recently came out. I don't know if you need not look at it yet. I haven't seen it. so number one station titles 25 to 54 in Toronto. It's often a like a chfi or you would be incorrect. I'll tell you the stations after. Male 25 to 54. We're not we're not we're not posting this to the log pilot know this public publicly really give you and I talked to you about this. Why not home. Let's do it women 25 to 54. I have no idea chunk know so adults 25-54. Q107 males 25-54 Q107 women 25 to 54 Q107 classic rock is ruling in Toronto during covid-19. Um, I would take from that that people are being nostalgic. I think there was something about that about Nostalgia and like like sync Spotify said the numbers for like classic rock and Nostalgia was through the roof. If I'm not mistaken, didn't we talk about this like months ago I'm talking so this I got some Spotify just on the beginning of called. It's probably like 2 and 1/2 years ago wage is not been doing that appears. It feels like it doesn't it. It sure feels like it. Oh my goodness, but I'm really excited to have Grammy award-winning Juno award-winning producer engineer artist David Strickland on the show today Scarborough born Have you heard his did you have a chance to listen to his latest album? Oh my God Spirit of hip-hop that there is some good. Tunes on like a really really good Tunes. So I'm looking forward to chatting it with him. I'm looking forward to yeah, just learning more about his music and Juice Journey. He's had the chance to work with Drake with choclair with Socrates. I hope you know who that is Greg Socrates off some people call them so crates. Method Man from the Wu-Tang Clan If people could see your face right now. He's worked with pasta sauce. I was I was going to ask him if he work was so great. Hi, the following podcast is brought to you by radical Road Brewery the best craft beer in the heart of Leslieville. Find him at 1177 Queen Street East. That's radical Road Brewery. Hey, what's up? This is David Strickland producer engineer all-round. Nice guy and I forgot the part. I was about to say though. Welcome to the music. Welcome home. I'm trying to read it. But his head was in the waste my time. See that's what we should do. I should just sort of move around this way because I'm not sure how you guys doing doing great man. How are you? Not bad. Not bad. Thanks so much for joining. You're welcome. Really appreciate all the shirt on a look at those might look at those pipes. Yeah, exactly. We finally open the gym up. Yeah. Yeah. I'm from here some of these on the treadmills home. You don't you don't look like a treadmill guy though, which which I do because I smoke if you're smoking right now, but I do try to get on there because you gotta balance. I don't right, right. You know, it's one thing to smoke and not exercise. Yes. They value balance their seen a bartolucci with his with his treadmill with the friggin hash everything everything in moderation. Yeah. So how many how many packs is equal how many minutes on the treadmill. That's a good question a million dollars. I just want to call out cuz I'm sitting in Scarborough right now. I I I understand you're a former Scarborough resident. Yeah, I guess you could say that. Yeah, so so shout out you were born in school. I was bored as the Border raises Scarborough shopping and I used to say growing up Scarborough. Scarborough dead that I had it buried me in Pine Hills cuz I was born with the Kennedy in England. And in Pine Hills is like Kennedy in Saint Clair homeless resource agency. And so yeah, it would be buried on the same block you're bored. And that's scary thought. Yeah, right going up in that area. Did you the question? I want to ask you. Did you go to Glen Ravine? I did go to go to read for grade 6 only. Oh, okay. I was I was I was I sort of assumed that based on the neighborhood or are thought that perhaps based on the neighborhood and was talking I was talking to my dad about him. He asked if if you had Jack Marsh as a principal at that time or not know I don't remember who the principal was then that's a good question. I do have good boundaries though about like Edwards being like see my dad moved in to that to that area before I did so I knew a lot of kids in my building. So by the time I transferred to school when I moved from my mom's the beaches of upper beaches. I I already had friends at the school. So it was I knew people in the area so it wasn't that bad of a transition for me going there. But I have a lot of good memories of like, you know, we used to have like Wednesday night's they'd have like seven 5 to 7:00 and go to school they have games in the hallways and stuff. But it was it was a pretty good school considering you know, where we were I remember I remember reading something or saw something where you're saying to that like in and I don't know if it was odd neighborhood or were you moved to from 2 that day behind but you said, you know, you didn't, you know diversity and race was a game like part of the equation that you were just a bunch of kids that yeah. Well that was the that was in the documentary to advise doctors are rich kid. I'm like yo and it's not just me. I'm sure a lot of people from that era growing up. Like that's how I was raised. I had friends that I never noticed what color what race or what religion they were was trying to convey that that's off. Of like maybe not just a journal thing, but I felt like that was like a coronal thing for me growing up where it didn't matter if you were white Chinese black native. It didn't really matter. But I was trying to make the point that I didn't realize that you know, you know how much my own people I was surrounded by it. Oh because you know, I don't I never really paid attention to your friends just refresh. Yeah, and and it's more and you know spending a lot of time in America America's I come there with that approach so I don't. I don't notice like the way things are different there because they are a little different I've lived in respect times in many many different places and notice the differences and you know, and I've always been comfortable with everybody. So I've never really had any problems, but I know there's a difference in like I see it, you know, like because you know, it is different there. So I mean maybe things have changed here. I don't know what the experience is like now for you to growing up here, you know, like but for me, that's how it was. Do you spend a lot of time now in Toronto or are you split evenly New York Toronto? I'm back for them and trapped here since the pandemic. I'm about to go back. Okay, I didn't really realize I could go back at like, you know, when they say The Border's closed. I I think they mean the the order they just mean the land border. Yeah, you can fly right I usually Drive. Yeah, I don't like to fly. So I've been like and everybody's you drive you could fly down something like all right. Let me get my ass out of here. I was finishing some work. So I'm not that I spend most of my time, you know, I have kids here and stuff. So I I spend a lot of time here but I try to spend as much time as nice you having nicknamed Gordo. Where did that come from? My name is actually Gordon David. What was yeah, that's that would be difficult to call do that anyway, and you know, it also has a couple different. Stories behind it. But you know at the end of the day it's kind of my name, but I never really use that name and I never used that name professionally. We're using our records and off so looked at as a way of like, you know, a lot of actors change your name and artist usually go by by, you know, rappers Go by different names. So I kind of like kind of wanted to keep that my personal life separate off like at the beginning not knowing where was going to go shower just just try to maintain it and it sounded better to me. So, you know, it works for me. Nice when people don't know, my name is David when they hear James really record. Oh, oh sure. It's like buddy-buddy. Some scar will call you go down in history. Like some people just know me as Gordo because they took my name. Oh, wow. Well, I notice that when I was looking up some of the like discography on discogs and that they have you down as three different. Yeah. I live in Florida in cells produced by Gordon wage. Guys, okay. So the claim that one yeah, it's nuts when when When did you start off like in in in the business? When did you start like really take it in interest in I'm guessing DJing first. Yeah. Well, I was I was DJing I started getting turn tables of those fourteen. Wow. I'm almost always at the records because my uncles and them always had vinyl. They're really into violent. I was really into music already playing and doing something. So I guess it was a natural progression and I got turntables but I got you know, I started with belt drives I had to you know, 1202 expensive and when you coming in it looks bad see and you don't need a tow there's you know things you learn along the way but you can't scratch Annabelle describe like, you know, so that was an evolution. I got turntables then, you know, you gotta get a mixer and back then it was like the whole realistic pyramids and you know, so you gotta make all these steps and then that turned into you know, doing parties of friends and grabbing the mic and then one of my friends His head 1200 so we used to all go to his house. I'm Jared and killed her and then you know, are you start grabbing the mic and then one of my back that I I was DJing for a friend of mine was opposed to see where he was trying to be menacing. He never actually became an m c but and I was his DJing that was the first time I took it serious. And then yeah rake my friends rumbled was was doing records actual records, and that's how I started kind of learning how to produce but you know watching him or go into the studio or using his gears that's kind of weird starting to you know, so I kind of went from DJing to em, seeing and then producing and then I I was I said, you know, I'm a figure something out as a back-up plan in case none of the sugar going to get serious about life. Yeah, so I I started studying radio and then I studied engineering job. I went to school for engineering and then that's how I kind of started doing a lot of records and I kind of stopped even MC. I kind of stopped dj'ing you know more and more that came back later on which all the story. Yeah. Yeah, but back then DJ was hard to keep up yet, you know, it was expensive to keep up with the vinyl nowadays. You could you know, it's easier to be a DJ even if you got 1200 wage like, you know, I do but you know, you can the records are online and you could buy stuff. You don't have to go to the store and you have to wait till the releases. It's a whole different world a lot easier to have but life so I involved a lot, you know over the time. Because you know, it's kind of funny because The drive was always music and it kind of was like, you know, if you some people and I've seen this happen some people start off as an artist and end up as a manager or as long as you're in a business. Sometimes that's all you want to be is a part of the business. Yeah. You want to be around the music. Yeah. Yeah, you know and looking back. I kind of sometimes I'm overwhelmed by how much music I actually need to touch being from you know, where I come from for sure. As long as I'm like, wow, you know like and it's not even a legal thing is more like just like just a dog like, you know, like so much time has passed, you know, yeah going going back to sort of when you said you went through for engineering music engineering where like we had worse and she'll or one of the schools down or what's a hundred college for dining? Okay. I was actually talking to what's his name George Strongbow yet. We're in the same class wage. In different classes. Okay why I left and went to Travis? Yeah. Yeah, and that was like ninety four. Okay and things were a lot different back then Thursday and you know, so like how how different smaller better teachers in my opinion at the time and you know for me I basically moved in that mother, you know, like I didn't on purpose but like I was a student and I end up working there and I worked there for like seven years. Wow, you know, and then you know, I had Studios that I built Studios for those and and I really got into Acoustics and you know how build the campuses as they expanded it. Also was you know, I was doing financial aid and off is unbondable. I was taking money to the bank. I was doing all kind of stuff over there. I think he's to the whole school. So, you know, I was like twenty one, you know, and you know, and I was doing so I'd wage. All day at the school. Yeah, and then I'd go downstairs and we had the studio which was separate and I do sessions all night. And you know, there's a lot of History Channel just hip-hop history comes from that time. Yeah, so I am just to be improved like at the time. I knew it was special but looking back now. I'm like wow, man, you could never recreate that because all the stars like the light up for me to be so lucky to have that because like I always say locking people always say I worked hard but at the same time there was a lot of variables like Like what would I be doing? If that didn't happen? It's time. Yeah, you know like a lot of those people looked out for me and kept me in the game and a lot of people about the guests must have believed in me because they had you know, they had like a program where you know, they'd hire some students at the end and give them like a co-op thing and then they move on but I wasn't one of them was saying I was just always there in the studio. You were building one. Somebody was sick one day and it was like, you know, like I was saying like so I really appreciated that time. Because it helped me learn and grow a lot. It was almost like wage with like a ten year after you finished University. Yeah, I'm saying like, you know, and I had an impact on people's lives doing that. I was Chris playing in there when you were there, you know, Chris Lane on the back side wall video started just by the end. I don't think we're doing video a good few years before I left about 2,000. So is there for like 94 till mm? Yeah good six years 9. Like longer men Greg Greg and I were just talking about covid-19 greatest all we had two and half years. We've been indoors Early College two and a half years ago feels like it's been a long six months, right? It hasn't was it always. Hey, David, like was that where your uncle's Rosslyn to know know there was a lot of different genres of music. I grew up a lot of different genres of music and back then when I was listening to hip-hop in the early eighties a lot of time trying to get me, you know not be listening to hip-hop really but I liked I liked I liked house and hip house and dance and a reggae was big. I was a lot of them still at the dance hall and groups and culture and I know a lot but my my encyclopedia reggae music is pretty deep. A lot of people have had conversations with dead. Like wow, you know like like it's just past the other day and people like who sound like, you know, and then they're like, oh I'm like, yeah dude, like the guy for reggae music. Yep, that that whole trip, Yep. It's a regular like, you know, so and then so that that was a big influence. So I wasn't Disturbed Hip-Hop Hip-Hop been able to be a part of it, you know, so you're in you're in the Travis basement with the studios and everything who's who are who's coming in and out there like you talked back then it would be like, I was just seeing that some of the tapes the other day is funny Cardinal Socrates ghetto concept chaos, Julie black red life, you know, that's where I did The Grass Roots album So, you know, there's tons of people on that they there's tonnes of people on forgetting about who we never heard of or sure that I'm just old and can't remember. Yeah, so, you know, but so often I mean it's really a an error in in hip hop in the city at that time right that I'm you know, like a part of so I mean that so is this is this before like Socrates was Socrates is like, you know, very early things like this around hate runs deep hm that I met Sox when he was, you know, really early on a career like I remember he was I could be wrong. He was the first one to get a US deal for an m c h m. He was signed to Warner, right? And I remember putting that out loud back to send the label, you know that he was like Seventeen he was still in high school, you know crazy and that was that would That's History. Yeah there and you didn't like there's there's no Our way of knowing like did you is there tingles going up your back at the time? Like they were drunk trials coming up cuz guys were coming up, you know like Hancock would come through for MainSource. You know, I remember all the time. We had smooth The Hustler up there too. Rude had him up common was up in common to the song was Socrates back then really ought to check the records as people are missing. But you know, it's almost like I was an assistant and an engineer and it wasn't my place off with gadgets place and them so I was just happy to be there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I was watching the magic and I knew what was happening was magical. I knew it was lucky to be a part of that because I mean would I even be in the business if I didn't get that opportunity and I didn't go looking for that. I was just there and I'm the kind of guy will I'll just go with whatever's going and I just kind of go with the flow and dead. You know, the rest is history, but you know a lot of a lot of important music came out there at that time, you know, a lot of and that laid the foundation for a lot of people's careers. Wow. There's that Netflix documentary right hip hop Evolution and I'm curious. Is there like a Toronto or Canadian version of Rose. I was wondering if they're going to do that. It's funny. I was talking to Darby wheeler about that. I don't know if you don't Derby or not, but he's one of orders on it and he said he's I asked my said what like, when are we going to have a try at least a show like at least one episode and he was saying that that's I think I think that run a city much done on that show. Unfortunately, you know because those guys put a great content that production company Banger films and negatives. I did that like some group and not just not done a lot of other stuff too. But man I'm really wanted white and I thought man if they don't talk to me or Gadget and it's not a legit cuz they always tell the highwomen Bari story and it keeps saying this song. I was at the CDC anniversary thing. It's like it's you know not it's not a diss on them or anything. But there's more to the story than just miss you meme Maestro & The ikenberry Story of Palm Beach Factory A lot happened after that between there and drink. Yeah. Yeah, we we did a lot of Records a lot of people's lives were affected by the work that we did it always forget that guy's name is reminds me of that and I I tend to keep it humble but it says all pre drink drink is a whole other story. Yeah, you're oh there's this like the And evolution rate so Evolution, that's the foundation for that sound. Right and Gadget is that sound you have to give you have to respect that, you know, like a check the credits of the Drake albums and gadgets a part of that and Gadget was a part of all of this. So without Gadget you have a big hole in Canadian hip-hop and music in general because he also bought, you know, been a part of other things. He's not always seen but he's around, you know, I'm saying and I have to go back and listen to me. Listen to this is not a drink podcast because I know they went back so in that period in between so I want to I want. Give it a listen after this conversation see how much they cover Goldson to A Passage through time go listen to the Grassroots on that was done one inch tape and listened to that record sonically and then go back Scorpion or taken care of or something pick a drink out but he mixed Melissa and you're going to go wow. Wow. Okay, so Tell me that we we've had a few Engineers on Mark Howard being one that are off the top of my head is worked with. You to Neil Neil Young whole bunch of other people keeping up on the engineers. Yeah. Well, I used to want to be like the guy doing all the records and keep up on ya to do it on a list and I had to do some research cuz there aren't as I like but I don't it's just like artists and stuff. When I I kind of got to a point and then I just stopped paying attention because I became in my own little world. They want to play in the rat race the war because I've seen it all. Well, here's total. I'm like man to stay on top as a lot of work and I'm not trying to be on top wage which one would be the best. I just sent the other day. I'm not trying to be the best. I'm just trying to contribute fair enough. Here's what I want to know in some of our some of our listeners are are like Greg, you know, their former positions, they the understand the ins-and-outs of the of the industry other people are like me and we're just fans of music, but tell me for for those who don't know what what what is the role of the Dead? near in the studio well, the engineers kind of like the mechanic in the I try to You know put it in terms of people understand like the chef, you know in some ways the producers the Shelf but like we're like the glue, you know, like you can't we need us to get it done. Right, even if the artist. Eliminates us they end up doing our job like like we're an essential part of making music whether you're doing it yourself. You're the engineer. Yeah, right so dead. You got to start you have to you need the engineering part to record it. Then you need to make like it's like Whoever started recording, you know, I'm saying maybe not realizing what they were doing. But you know like it's kind of like yeah, it's it's it's like, you know what Jake architect, you know, I'm saying like you need that person to to bring it all together. Yeah. Yeah. That's what made that's hard to keep it in because I would go to the studio artist, but not understand how to convey my ideas. I didn't understand what all the stuff did now the equipment because I didn't come from a musical background. I had a giant learning curve. I did not know anything about bars or notes or you know, so I kind of like just was interested in that's how I became an engineer because I you know, I I'm curious and I live. We just one thing led to another and I didn't really take it serious. Like, oh I want to be this guy that I want to do these were you know, it wasn't like I wasn't like it wasn't like a thing like dead. That was into before it just kind of like I fell into you know, so I appreciate it more because of that in some ways because I see what it means to change the whole process now like I didn't maybe if I knew I wouldn't have got some people ask me for like function. I do not like don't do it. I want to get like don't do it. I think about it sometimes sometimes but it's there's a lot of stuff involved then and I've been in some situations where you know, I've been in rooms with like some serious heavy weights and and everybody's looking to me for the answers and I don't know the answer but I have to act like I do or find it, you know saying and you know, I know people who have that background and I see why they they are, you know, you know when I wish I would have known a little more cuz maybe I wouldn't have because I had to get, you know wasn't something I was just naturally off. Like like painting I'm just naturally apparently cuz I don't even think I'm that good but it's something I can do and I do and people like wow and I'm like, okay whatever. It's just it's just I like it and I'm natural with engineering and music. I had to learn stuff and learn how to do it and and I didn't get sent to lessons and I didn't get taught like wage at least would had piano lessons when I was a kid, it would have made a huge difference in Iran. Right? So, you know, all these things come into play. So for me, it's like I appreciate it a lot more because I understand what it it takes because I've taught people stuff like artists that I look up to I've taught them engineering stuff and I just go. Wow, you know like okay. Nobody has some kid from Scarborough records you feel your do you feel you're a musician first or an engineer or even call myself a musician? Okay, I would call myself as a producer. Okay, and that was something I only started saying later because I started producing more by default because I was just trying to and then I was just making beats for I would always been making beats, you know. Yeah and a lot of times I'm be engineering a session and I have a pocket full of beads, but it's not the right etiquette for me to impose on the session with artists and start playing my Beats over them therefore I'm there to engineer so I wouldn't do that if they asked me that would be different. So that issue started becoming more of a thing later and I was like, I you know, why not, you know because people don't know the differences between the engineer and producer and you know, I learned in school that every good producer knows how to is a good engineer. So I mean to be a good producer you should be an engineer so I kind of like I don't really look at myself. You know, I came in as an engineer. I did most of my work has been an engineer and a lot of times it gets confused where people call me producer phone number or you know, they associate Awards and accolades with the policing with most of them were for engineering and I'm going and then people I walked out of that and I'm like, well, I know but to me she come from Old School background Where You Gotta Be You know on point about certain things. Yeah. You don't want to overstep your contribution. Yeah. I don't want people because sometimes I seen stopping like when I think back ago. Okay, I guess so. Yeah, right like I produced a song for this person. I'm like no I didn't and I'm like, oh wait, I've known them twenty years and I was engineering for them for fifteen. And then yeah, I did produce a couple of songs later than if you got yeah, there's off like, I don't want nobody giving me shit like, you know this boot camp engineer laughing Or like, you know, you gotta be a stickler. I'm going to get in trouble. So I'm always on trying to be on top of my p's and q's. Yeah. Yeah, and I apologize. I should have I actually meant to say artist rather than musician artist vs. Engineering team know so but people are these issues and I'm and then artist that's all other thing too because That's a new thing for me too. And and I was eased into it because it was being a visual artist, but then now you know like on the album. I got a verse but I'm not trying to be an MC. But now I'm an artist wage I guess so like a Jeep, right? So it's like a whole other so I'm getting calls all these names. So then when you look at it producer engineer DJ cuz I DJ like I'm DJing again, but then I'm also you know DJing isn't hip-hop performing. Yeah record. So like DJ producer artist engineer mixer then visual artist and then I'm speaking and doing lectures and stuff. So like all these other things are coming to play then they got me doing you know stuff that's like curating and you know, like it's it's like keep evolving and I'm like, oh my God, like, you know, I'm not even like I keep falling into stuff is what I'm getting. Yeah, who decided kid from school? Right. Yeah some kid from school. What what sort of I want to sort of bridge a gap between Travis and Drake song, you know after you finish at Travis, where where do you find us a 40 up to? Well, I'm there do records when I stopped when I left there. I went over we built a studio over at Spadina and Richmond friend of a friend of ours Dean who's thought he had was part-owner like fluid the dough few clubs around town and he was a b boy back in the day like known in the city and we put this label together him Tyson. I was the engineer at night time. So we got the studio a facility we signed our life and that place is the place to be for a while. Anybody who came into town was recorded there that was you know, Method Man recorded there any system. I was in the studio. There were Teddy Riley Babyface. A lot of people were you know, and then there was you know, local artists doing stuff there all the time so that place was you know, I was there for a couple of years. Then I went over and build choclair Studio we had at the time and then when I don't know if you remember Greenhouse days, so we're all the time skunk if you go back and look at the song skunk choclair second album. So that's around that time 2002. So I was doing I was you know around those times. I had keys to a bunch of Studios month. So I was doing like Glenn Lewis album ghetto concept album seven bills working on sessions at that studio soundproof doing anything, you know working with Jellystone work. I was just working with like everybody at that time. I was in my mid-twenties just running while like like living the dream for myself cuz like, you know twenty-five, you know, just doing music for that's all I did, you know, and and those times, you know, I was always going to New York and Around ninety nine is when Socrates got signed to Def Jam. So by two thousand to you know, being Sox are going to New York a lot and and just you know, that's how I met Redman through Socrates. So I was fortunate enough to come out of the studio one day the New York and see the legendary Thursday shouldn't have the table in the lounge and I was like, oh snap Eric. Yeah Redman Eric. I didn't even you know, so, you know caught up. So once I linked up with Eric, it was dead, you know, we just meshed like you wouldn't believe we're both on the same page. So I mean so between that and Drake I was like by the time Drake started blowing up. I was in Atlanta mean Eric would would go to Atlanta a lot between Long Island and I was just back and forth for years. I mean, we did Jesus I'm skipping on a lot of stuff. There's like, you know I birth Blacksmith, that's where forty Cayman. That's where we did the Divine Brown album. Wow, Joey still work. There was a lot of Records, you know, that's during the wage jobs sometime. We all had Chris Smith is our manager like that was Chris the studio, but he was managing Nelly and Fifi and tons of people philosopher-king so long. I just was going back and forth and you know, eventually got to the point where You know, the drink thing happened. I was in Atlanta when he emerges like what the hell right? Like, what are you guys doing? Cuz I stopped paying attention. I was just I was missing one year but last year I was off running by the seat of my pants and stuff but it's a long time like from 2002 until 2010. That's a good eight years, you know with a lot of stuff happened during that time, but you know, I didn't see that coming at all. You know, it wasn't paying attention now, I just it's been a blur like since that time this time. It's only the last, you know, five years where I would really kind of stopped and slowed down a lot, you know after like I don't really work on much of the drink stuff anymore page him around and I see those guys almost every day. Yeah, but I just It's it's so so much has happened and so much time this past and was like, wow, you know, it's like just like that it seems you know, so it's it's pretty overwhelming. I'm skipping out on a bunch of shit, but you know, there's it's just like I could be so lucky that one because a lot of people just you get on a ride and then it just stops or whistles and I just keep getting pulled back in or something. Just you know, one thing stop some of your thing happens, right? Yeah for sure. What was it like how like I'm curious about your time with Socrates and I am deaf jam. Like what was what was that like cuz Def Jam was I guess it if I've already blown up like it was already huge. It was the place to be. Wow. That was that was like for me, that would be my dream. Yeah. I remember buying radio LL Cool J Radio cassette and we'll Beastie Boys albums at the Town Center. Jam was like wage. No, Def Jam replace the people should be seeing Sox get signed, you know through the house through Def Jam. You're still dealing with the Def Jam people and being around red. And you know, I was there when around when Bush was president and you know, I got to see like I got to go to Fat Farm with Redman and just take what we want and then I got to meet so many people that it would like I probably wouldn't have got off I'm saying and just being American red, you know, just, you know round not even trying just being hanging out just you know, so A lot of those those memories that I I appreciate because the time I wasn't really in probably still happens and I always try to slow myself down now because you know, I I I've been lucky to see a lot of stuff. I got to see what I'm saying. Like, yeah, it's hard to get in some places. You can't just walk in there, you know, sure someone places I can get in your people came to show up. Right? So, you know, I appreciate it. Were you able to do engineering on a sorry? Sorry, we're able to do some engineering on on Def Jam stuff for for something happens a lot of plenty of engineering and that's what I'm getting at. Like, you know, I have records here where it's Def Jam. My name's on the whole piece. I'm just like, you know, like wow not just one song writing over the years, you know, like even just being a part of the like blackout albums and stuff like this, right a math or red man. I'm like, sometimes it blows my mind like Iraq. Remember putting in some people don't like that album that we did but the method Man Nam that I got to participate in a lot. We did. You know, me and Eric set up and put that album in order off in the order like when you're doing it for mastering like they're just taking the songs and putting them in what order they're going to go and that's a whole other art form yourself and just being able to like have those memories and go wow, like, you know, like I never would you know think that I could be a part of something like that like that was like a dream come true so sure so, how's your how's your relationship with them? Cuz that's a question that comes up with a number of Engineers. We get a real mix I do I do it's here there but I don't really have like see I don't really get into it into it unless I have this like I don't really keep those big studios around them around access to places, but I'm thinking about doing it again cuz I used to just learn to the studio and always had a a room song. But that's a whole separate Lane and you gotta have if I had the money I might go buy some toys just for the fun of it cuz it is it can be fun when I do it sometimes but you know, it's it's kind of something. I always figured I'd save and do a little later on. I'll do that when I get older or cuz it's I don't want to say it's not necessarily an easier task. It's a whole different ballgame. It's like hockey and Cricket, you know, like it's two different things. So, you know, I always wanted to get into it. So I dabble but I don't really like I don't call myself a mastering engineer. You know, I'm saying I could do it probably be really good if I got into it, but you know, I just try to keep doing what I'm doing great man from The mastering when you're not yeah, yeah pretty much. You know, I wish I had more to talk to you know, but I I understand the theory and I know it's what is a goal is a lot of people don't understand that a lot of people like like I'll give you a perfect example. And I pull up a whole mix the other day and had the print were like we would print cuz you're using outboard gear consoles and your printing back into Protools the mix and you're printing - 3D off and we'd always say in God Rest the dead rest in peace. Tom Hughes. Oh, okay, we gotta now. We got a printer version for the rappers and turn it up because the mix doesn't have to be allowed. It's going to go to mastering and they're going to do that. Okay, it has to be a good mix sonically, right? So can you print at a certain because we used to put tape and then they were to Dad and then now we're printing back into the computer but you still have to keep the theory in mind and let's get lost and getting prints that are paying them. Like, you know, what are you doing? Right? Yeah. It's nice and Loud though. They don't have to do that. You're supposed to do it this way, you know, like people aren't learning the theory let's say and then some you know, like it's Gotta come into play. So I laugh because of like, You know, I gotta keep myself in check sometimes like oh, yeah, cuz like it's there's so many luxuries now that we didn't have before right. They'll go damn man. That's right. This is how we used to have to do it took. I I've been there and watched once whole, you know song total recalls. Anybody know what the Total Recall is in a real studio with a with a s s l e Borgir a patch phase in Panama base and don't care for using Pro Tools or not. When you're mixing like this you need an assistant can do the recall and sometimes it takes two hours and you have to wait all the settings down all the outboard gear all the patch cables got to be the same and you gotta get it. Perfect. Cuz when you hit play and stuck in the sound the same right and I've seen songs get recalled ten times the change something right like it's, you know words now I'm in the box and I've got being everything's there right or would you know the modern technology with some of the console so I mean dead Shipman, we're lucky as hell. Wow. I I just stay in my lane and you know, maybe one day I'll get into it. But oh, you know, I got a lot of respect for the master because I've been struggling sound. I've gone to mastering sessions just as you know just to watch ya with artists cuz a lot of times I end up being good friends with the artist. So I want to go, you know, it's good to go with that stuff and and and see them master your own mix. You know, I'm saying like like as an engineer right you learn you can never stop learning right off that is nuts. I read somewhere that you've you you you have met some master tapes like in in the way in your in your crib there somewhere. Like I know you've got I got to plug the master signal or off first album over there in the quarter somewhere, but you didn't you didn't you didn't master that. No, I got the master reels masters of the tapes. They happened by accident and fell in my lap and I saved them so they just brought real him. Wow. Yeah, I was going to get into it. But it was just there were saying I'm like I should probably take these before they're not in existence. Even let's assume that no one's listening to this episode. Yeah. What's the story? How did you get chocolate layers first album, that'll be stuff that we had at the studio. We have all that. Anyway. Yeah. I became some of his stuff got done in the in New York later, Troy. I tell her fixed it and There was a situation where tapes were building up and some of them had to be sent back to labels. Some of them had to be depending on what it was returned to artists and I don't think anybody knew who who shocks there was in the room. So I was like, yo, can I take those because they weren't going back home. I didn't want to see it, you know disappear because I knew what it was, right? Yeah. Yeah, I brought it home and and I show them but like one day I'll put them on. I just want to bake them real and transfer to Pro Tools cuz back then we weren't doing Pro Tools for recording. So there's no sessions. That's the whole point of having some of these life just a little digital copies right? Once you have a digital copy could back it up, right you couldn't back to you couldn't back it up, but it would have been a lot of work. Yeah, excuse me. People were do that back then you feel me? So who who brought you into the drink sessions was that was that Gadget know? That was forty? Okay. I got a bug Gadget into the Drake sessions. Let's kind of funny. So I asked me how you doing, like and our work. He wasn't as much during he was over at blacksmith and when the trig stuff happened, um, it was probably overwhelming I would imagine but I you know, I remember talking to 40 about him going. Hey bro, like I see what's happening. Like wow you in a grand slam the park dog, you know, if you need any help, you know, we got you and that's really what it was and then you know, he's so good at what he does that he evolved to the point where I'm like, okay, I guess I don't know what he needs to be around. I just went and did my own thing because I was able to do my own thing and I wasn't really trying to like impede or you know, like always down to work off. Like look what you guys did. Wow, like this is all. And evolution from the beginning right when we tell that story for legal Maestro miss you too, but the evolution of the circle days the 90s right up at. All. Right buddy is participating in in building up towards our till we are here we are today, right and then it's happening a lot of cities right? If you go back like if we were to do that evolution video when you see I noticed the similarities by when you do other cities, I don't know if they did Philly Philly's another good place to do if you know the history hip-hop and Affiliates interesting to age but I remember from being a kid at the time when it was happening. So it was like Philly Toronto and New York, but a lot of rappers at that time coming to Toronto and doing the show was there for a show out of out of country. Hm, right cuz it was so close and I mean you got lucky because we're we're so close that we got to experience a lot of birth. So we might not have got to see like, you know, if you were in France, maybe you wouldn't have got to see the like, you know, we had battles like when you had like krs-1 coming up like somebody was killing something the other day and they're like look up business at the concert hall in business beatboxing for Charis one and I'm like, oh shoot. I didn't realize that at the time that that's funny the juice crew boogie down. They were you were saying at the time they were they were nuts. They were battling each other but here they are in Toronto and instead of you know saying so like wow, I didn't really catch that. You know, that's interesting. There's tons of I'm just tons of history there is that's you know, I wish we could do something so I've been dying to do something about it, but I'm not really a month TV or movie director. We're going to put Greg on on that project. Just want to watch the show. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Well, you'll watch it and they'll be part still be it'll either be you or some deeply yes. We should be in by mean. I'm used to getting left. So how long I mean it must it must have meant there must have been something in you to say. Hey you guys, you know, you guys got things, you know down pat, you know with Drake no need for me to be here rather than trying to stay there and trying to I'm not I don't want to say milk it for what it's worth but sort of stay on this rocketship. Well, I mean they could have been involved any time they want so I mean it's in but at the same time it's when you're on that level. It gets to be a pretty high Pace thing. So you tend to forget filter out of stuff that you just kind of like going. So, yeah, it's I don't really watch it as as anything to do with me. There was times where I could get the call and I'd be gone but otherwise I'm just like still I had other stuff going on already. So I wasn't expecting that to happen. It became a good thing like, you know lucky I'm glad to have wage sure. I had it happened without me being involved, you know, you know, I applauded you know like that but we've been working towards all month long and stuff like that. So I mean, you know good for them and they've gone beyond, you know, the wildest dreams, you know, like it's unbelievable absolutely always laughing. Wow. Wow. Absolute. Oh, yeah, when did the idea for the spirit of hip-hop first? Come to like when did you know I want to do my own thing. I was thinking about it for a while and then I started thinking about doing that album, but it was supposed to be just indigenous and then after after rain passed can rain yesterday the doctor rain past I was like man. I did a painting of them that I gave his his kids. Wow, and then I started going through my vaults and then I was cuz I did a lot of music with a little past and some of it was I'm like, I think we used everything. I don't think I had anything that he didn't put out that I found I found the song When I'm like, oh you never put this out. So I made that first song that was like with him and Socrates in Iraq was like, you know, wait a second cuz everybody we're talking about getting either being on the album or and shooting videos. And so that kind of spawned the idea where I was like, well what if I put black artists in a digitus artist on songs together, like I'm sure it's been happening before but Not like this or maybe down the way I was thinking or whatever. I just think became the idea. So that's how kind of how it started and then it started snowballing from there. How long ago was this that you started putting it together 2060 while back 2016 2016. That's what he what did he passed away? Yeah, I think it's been four years. But wow, how did you choose like which indigenous artists to use which which rappers to use? How did you know that's the whole part because there's so many talented artists knew so many and how do you approach something like this? Right? Yeah, you know, like if you have the idea like, okay, I want to do ten songs and you start making beats, but then you don't know what people are going to pick so you don't know what you know, it's not like I'm like, here's one beat you can only use rap on this be like, you gotta give people choices. Yeah. So I you evolve and then I only knew so many people and then, you know, I was doing stuff where like, for example, Jesus would come to town and we do a song and then I do a song for him. And then, you know the way aspects out ends up on the album is only because Jesus was in town and he was like, yo, can you DJ Vu said I'm doing House of Pain and that was like it's an Ottawa drive into Ottawa, right? That's how I met aspects would immediately and aspects we came we're tight now but we do music together. So let's all he heads up on the album. So it was a lot of stuff like that where else being people have been people just click and sometimes you know, it doesn't always work that way. But in this case a lot of times it did and then it not every time it worked like I had to work at it wasn't just like head to me, you know, I had to like change stuff around and you know, it was it wasn't a situation where I went in with a plan, right? So it kind of had to evolve so with God it was more like thinking back of like damage to like I didn't think it was going to take so long. I didn't think it was going to evolve to what it did like, you know, like it. It really went to a place that I was like wow, man. I was just trying to just do a little still, you know, a little thing on the side wasn't supposed to be a big deal and like some people start to hear you. I heard you doing this album, like, you know, what are you talking about? Like, you know, so, you know, it's a blessing. I'm not going to complain. Yeah. So when I mean there's a number of songs, there's the first song I heard off of that album was the one about so I don't know if it's about Winnipeg but it talked about Winnipeg first. Yeah questions last it's about winning. Yes. So there's songs like that. There's reslife RV or the rafters of the artists. Are they coming to the table with lyrics after hearing the beach they want to wrap on. Are you talking to them about themes? I was that all come together. Every song got kind of is different. Sometimes I have an idea. Sometimes I just they pick a beat and they just start going and then I go off like say somebody just took a verse and then that'll spark the whole song. Wow, so there was no there was no thought turn off and starting a spade. Okay, and then and then since I got Superman on it, and then I needed a hug and Jordan came and then when he came with the course, he was totally different. It was a couple of things that were similar to the original damn. I could use the original as to remix it ever thought or just did two other remixes. The Rottweiler remix Charlotte the Rottweiler. Yeah, so Yeah the revolve but when Jordan came with the chorus it made me go somewhere else with the music because of what he's saying and he was kind of like what's it about that? I told him but I just let him do his thing and that's the you know, when you have a good artist who can write these things can happen so that what kind of Chase the whole song like so I I kind of like, you know, some people want to be in control but I don't always like I like that, you know, but like we're just kind of like violent, you know, I'm saying, yeah, and then the then the other thing that happened once I change the music around that and then, you know added, you know, we had an arch set it all that and then at the end I added Whitey so the song having whole different title. Oh, so while I was working with Whiting of the song If you go listen to the song Turtle Island on all platforms home. He says total Island to the world because I said no I just need to do some toast and like, you know say Turtle Island to the world. I'm like, but you can't say it like in a patch why you can't say turkel you have to say turtle cuz God Don Jamaican people who understand what you're saying so many people total but M doing that that's what made the song I change the name of the song The Turtle Island, huh? Because when I started listening to what the song was about I was like wait this is about here which is Turtle Island. Yeah, so like, you know all these things became one led to another and evolved the song whereas I didn't sit there and go know the song called Blah Blah. It's going to be like this and you got to change that and I'm not that kind of, you know, and I like to be like that like the very nature and watch things grow. You don't say absolutely I'd offer to take up too much more of your time David. Can we go a few more minutes? Is that okay with you? All right, cool, man. It's really the month. I guess. It's it's meant to be the first song where the first sort of. Sing off of the album Spirit of Hip Hop intro some people to call it spoken word. You just spoken word. Thank you, which I didn't really realize that's what we're doing to Los. Yeah, so it's sort of learning gives the sort of the definition of of hip-hop and it says hip hop is indigenous. What is it? A hip hop is indigenous culture. Your pop is indigenous music off something along this expression. Can't exactly my tattoo. She went country. Yeah. Yeah, that's basically what he's talking about right there. And you know, he's comparing, you know, cuz he always says off element of piece of wisdom love and understanding and those are those are teachings that we live by our culture. Anyway. Yeah, but he's dead, you know indigenous culture and Hip Hop is the same, you know. And when we say we don't just mean we're talking about us cuz we're here and this is where hip-hop was bored. But this is indigenous. You know, there's a nice little cross the world. Yep. Well, if you go and look at different cultures, even like have different cultures in Africa or India, but I've you know, I love history and I love cultures and I love learning and I always I always laugh because a lot of times cuz you know Canadians hide the baptism very well and some most people think of a white guy and I love people even though it doesn't seem like it but a lot of times I in and I get this I don't know if that's being in the states a lot. But in people get it twisted here in America people will talk to you and people are great and I like to talk to people and and I notice sometimes it's not so good here. So I always thought People but I like to ask questions and engage people of anywhere. I don't care where they're from. Right and sometimes catch people off-guard. Right and I loved it because some of us we need that good vibe for because a lot of times gradually bad experiences this happens with everybody. That's why people become racism or people become president because they have bad experiences or somebody didn't told them something or so I loved do that. Right? So I I love to learn and when you compare the cultures, so it doesn't just apply to indigenous us. We're just speaking as us cuz we're Native American. Yeah, and and what he's saying is, you know, the elements compared to what we you know, what we our culture is, you know, the DJ is the drummer the MCS the Stone cellar the B boy is the dancer and the graffiti artist is the Petroglyph writer of the same painter. So in the reason we're saying that is also because we noticed that wage. We're in a crisis situation in our communities on our reservations. A lot of there's a lot of you know, different scenarios that are not good. But one thing that we may I notice in the learning goes and love people know. This is a lot of our youth are into hip-hop and they want to tell their stories and there's a reason for that and that's where that moment came from me as a kid from Scarborough who wasn't raised. You know with my traditions were my the people came before me my parents and my grandparents everybody was raised to hide that in to be shameful about religious, you know, a lot of my black friends jumped on him. So white and all of a white Indian and I'm like, yeah, I have like it's funny cuz like I'm my dad's side you think oh, they're mostly you know, white people there's one or two indigenous relatives and McDonald's are all indigenous and there's like one or two white ancestors and you know, they're my mom's side. It's almost this like a dog White light and then the rest are all mixed in Creole the natives and French people end up like so I but like the features and some live dates in the DNA man. Yeah, so I took to hip-hop naturally and our kids are taken to it. Right so our whole thinking is in like this is it's it's it's it's what I'm doing like being proud of we are yeah, but I'm part of a part of who I am and all aspects. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And it's it's hard to watch and and how to do all that pain that the people came before me had to endure the to be ashamed of who they are and they were taught that and white supremacy colonialism. All these things made them have to live down to like, so I'm kind of taken a new approach to that and being, you know crowd of who I am and showing that yo we can make a difference change. This world because like I said in the beginning of nobody does poor kid from Scarborough. I never learned how to do anything. I wasn't taught how to play piano or nothing. But all I had was the drive to like try to dream, you know, and it doesn't have to be music. I just chose that I wanted to paint I ended up in the McMichael that blew my mind I didn't mean for that to happen. But I always wanted to do that. I always wanted to pay their just never told anybody about it. And then when it happened I was like holy cow. So the point is not about money on the best or or all you can do and I mean nobody stories better or worse, you know, I'm saying because people don't look at the site I know talk about well, I had you know, I made my life had five kids by 21 had all the odds stacked against me and I still was able to you know overcome I've seen a lot of bad stuff too. So it's not that preachy. Oh you can do it in your home. I want to try to say I'm just trying to say like doesn't matter what you're doing. You can you can make a difference if you really want to do something you're going to do it and that's what I've learned through all the thoughts about myself and it never necessarily worked out the way I expected or how I plan but it worked out the way we're damn. I'm sure I sure appreciate how lucky I am to be off even we have these conversations and talk about stuff that maybe I didn't appreciate at the time because life's not always easy sometimes while I was doing stuff like, you know, like remember I was talking about. You know, soundproof days don't doing this record and doing that record and working over. I'm like, oh I never slept. I don't remember a lot because I didn't sleep, you know, but it was hard on the body and heart of them. I didn't get to see my kids or spend time with my girlfriend or make sacrifices. Yeah, it's all these things become, you know come together at the this moment where I took I put them together and go. Okay. Well like like, you know, Ernie Ernie made me open my eyes to something that that it never really thought about because we're my story is wage being raised. I was already like it was just natural for me, you know, and it's just in the music and if you go watch Rumble that works the movie Rumble pack, but we should talk about Indians of rock the world security was interviewed for that, but he's not in it, but you know, they they didn't do interviews have been I think it was him. Relly bail or Veil bother somebody but they anyway the point is you learn so much that, you know, a lot of our story is not been written into the history as indigenous people as far as music and as far as you know, it's just like rock and roll they leave, you know, it's there's the real stories the whole story that they tell you that there's the real story. Yeah, so I I learned so much and I I didn't realize that you know, we we have been living like this month and it's just natural and now I I get it why I'm like, you know, if you want to call me I might have a different approach, but no, maybe I'm not the only one that I know about the office cuz I've talked to people right? Yeah, so I mean, it's it's really such a like I opener right early really opened. That's why you had to be on the album and being that intro and exploited only he could explain it, you know, and and it kind of made things made sense for me because I always had this love affair with hip-hop and why why am I why do I care so much, huh? Right? Why do I I can go work in the shop and be like a new car audio all day or you know, whatever I can go do something else and I like, you know, but I guess I was supposed to do whatever it was part of your DNA server the DNA so I mean unthankful and I'm just the whole thing has been about just trying to tell my story and expose those artists to the world that that already have their home guys have such great followings and they didn't need me but I just wanted to kind of like do something that was cuz a lot of times people don't realize dead. They hear me all the time, but they don't know it because if you're an engineer or producer, it's not like how it used to be when you got the album you're looking at and people don't were missing so much of that now right off the same last year old what songs have you got? They go? I did blah blah blah like even I forget where I was with somebody and I'm like, oh, you know, I have a credit. I did a song with someone someone someone Someone told someone's home and they were like, holy cow those like yeah, man, I totally forgot and I didn't realize and have any perspective about it. Right and it just blew me away. Yeah, you're in it cuz you don't you don't know you just seem all that stuff. Like I'm just trying to pay the bills off and you tripped over histories. What is what has happened? Yeah, and at the same time some people, you know, Some people put me in check when they show me stuff like that where like yeah, we made history. Yeah for sure in the world like, you know, and that's that's something that you know, like I'm not going back to like I said, it's like I could never expect in a million years time. I even like to give some perspective like wage right now is my favorite rapper of all time. So being able to be around my favorite rapper was like, oh right, but then everything after that. Yeah, it's like wow, you know, so I mean, you gotta stop and smell the roses. That's all I'm saying. Well, that's for sure. Yeah. What's what's next for for you is is there more to the spirit of HIPAA project or is it just a an album? Do you want to do more around it? You've got you've got other projects on the go. Dropping a remix EP in about a month. Okay, what hip-hop remixes there's going to be ten of them look out for that. We just dropped Turtle song remix remix by the legendary rockweiler of you know, go check out rockweilers discography or I'll blow your monthly. You don't know who block Wallop is off and go find out cuz he blessed me with that. So that's coming out next. There's some some really really dope remixes on there. I did one. I did too long. I did I remixed wires and rise or fall and then I collapsed with classic roots on a turtle Island dance remix, every other song is a hip hop remix, but I I did a dance remix a turtle Island and came out pretty cool. I like it. So I don't care. I don't like it too bad. It's it's it's definitely different like suck. Minutes long way, you know and then after that, you know, but I've been working on Memories album also been working on a secret project with some Ledges not going to say what when it drops you're going to be like, oh snap. That's what he was talking about. All right, and then I got some other projects. I'm working on with E and in Long Island, and then there is talking to doing a sequel just going to give it a continuing to be a continuum thing off, you know, like something the air right now, so we'll see what happens very cool. One of the things we like to ask each of our guests is sort of what what seemed I mean you've talked about a lot of risk you're working on right now and stuff and a lot of artists wage in your ear buds right now, like what are you listening to or what or what should people be really listening to right now? Well, I've been doing a bubble for a bit. I just don't want to go. Album the other day cuz I what I what happens to me is like I just came off of a three weeks think I've been a fix like twenty five songs in like a month last month, but like I mix I mix like twenty-five songs and once you know, I'm saying like I'll work on the little bit at a time and then I'll go get the big stage and bag of all out over a few days. So what I'm going to Bubble like that I end up spending my time in the car listing back to my mixes and hearing things that I want to change. So I ended up not listening to as much outside music, but I know I just took in that Nas album. I've been on this hill Bill and stu bangas stuff, but I've been off like I haven't even been Venture ago. I've been so Because the album I was finishing the album and then I've been in the remix and then I've been working on other people's what happens is end up in a bubble working on music that are actually everybody else is going to hear and I am missing stuff and sometimes I don't want to be influenced and sometimes I do but by the time I get time to like relax and unwind and go Kingdom what's new right off I got to spend the whole three days just catch it up and I probably needed a system again just to like start handing these was it is good to keep up-to-date. You gotta keep up-to-date with who's hot what's current else sounds are mixes are like things change fast. So I mean it's good and bad but you know, I've been just off all summer. I just been in a bubble really, but I haven't been like like I've been missing everything. I've been hoping but I've been what people been listening to two. Yep. There's some people but yep. Me telling me stuff and I'm like really I can hear the song of the radio every like really cuz I'm not, you know everywhere and I can't hear everything so, you know Charlotte to all the radio stations and off while the shows and you know, all the fans and everybody, you know spinning music. Well, we we look forward to that secret project that that you're working on a nice. Well, listen David, this has been awesome. Everybody needs to go to their favorite streaming platform and check out the spirit of hip-hop song by David Strickland featuring some awesome rappers from amazing indigenous artists and musicians David where else can people go to find out more about you and your work on a website we can plug My websites. W. W. David Strickland studios.com what it's like I need the web hosting used to work and I've not on all the socials. I'm not on Twitter above Facebook page him on Instagram is really the best way to find you David. Strickland Instagram. And then like I've really I've not on Twitch. I'm not on Tik-Tok. I'm off. It's too much work just like burning a guy just to drug your regular social has you know, we're going to have to get you that assistant. Yeah. I've been I've been having a hard time. Just keeping up with myself. Please forgive me, you know, but yeah, you can find me. You know, if you really want to get out me Instagram in my website. There's going to be email there. You know. I'm not that hard to find awesome David. This has been a pleasure. Thanks so much really for for all your time. And yeah guys everyone they need to get Spirit of hip-hop. It's a journey, it's awesome. I just take care of a great time. Thanks, David. off off