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Jeff Richfield and Dave Miller | What Is Bitcoin? (Part 1) Is Bitcoin Safe? How Liquid is Bitcoin? What is Rx SeedCoin?

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Jeff Richfield and Dave Miller | What Is Bitcoin? (Part 1) Is Bitcoin Safe? How Liquid is Bitcoin? What is Rx SeedCoin?

"All right sean. Lohman on today's edition of the thrive time show dot com. We're gonna be talking about lumens. Xml stellar lumens. We're gonna be talking about digital wallets. We're gonna be talking about the rx. See coin ruby. Talking about bitcoin sean. We've never covered the bitcoin on the drive time. Show because i i see too many pomp dump get rich. Quick approach is related to the bitcoin. Yeah people who are talking about the bitcoin. The youtube commercials. They always have a wonderful accent and invest all their money in the bitcoin. Yup i've met people have invested all their money in the bitcoin. Men and you see him. Two months later they go. I don't wanna talk about what happened today corner. i don't want talk about. Yeah so we've got a mickey willis. Who's the guy who created the plan democ series. He's a friend of ours. Mickey willis he and jeff richfield and other people that i respect i have started a company called the rx seed coin dot now parts are ex seed coin dot net. It's a type of currency digital currency and they wanted to hop on the show to share with our listeners about it And something that they feel good about and so on today's show ask what is bitcoin. Is bitcoin safe. How liquid is bitcoin after you buyer. Xml star lumens in your digital wallet and your ukraine account. Do you then board the mothership when you get your tin foil hatay understand it. Yeah most people are used to. Well i got this cash. I go put it in the bank and then i can use my debit card. And that's about as far as most people are going with money right now so today's time show we all things related to the bitcoin. Is it safe. Is it liquid. What in the crap. The rx seed coin. All this more on today's interview with jodi had cell. Jeff richfield and dave miller of our x seed coin shows don't need us liberty narrator to introduce this show this show too man. Eight kids co created by two different women. Thirteen multi million dollar businesses. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the thrive time. Shaw ativan. yes yes yes yes. It is a very special occasion because on today's show we're going to talk about a subject that we've never talked about on the thrive time show before. Are we talking about albany squirrels. No are we talking about why. I don't like gymnastics. No are we talking about why. I wish that the communist chinese would not be allowed to participate in the olympics. No we're not talking about what we're talking about. Today is bitcoin. Now you might say. Why have i never talked about bitcoin before. It's because there's a lot of bitcoin scammers there's people everywhere saying oh you got to buy bitcoin and then two months later and they're living in a van down by the river and they lost everything so i thought let's not interview anybody about bitcoin at all. Not even a bit until there's some sort of stability there to it and so with that being said we have jodi had sell on today's show. We have jeff richfield on today's show and we have dave miller on today's show so i'll start with you jeff. Welcome onto the thrive time show. How are you. i'm doing great man. I really thank you for this time. This is this. Is this time a ripe time too. So no pun intended. Thank you know jodi are you. Were you aware of this that you were going to be on. Today's show to jeff trick you tell you this was something. It wasn't or did he. Did he give some advanced warning. He gave me a little bit of advance warning. So okay and then what about you. Dave dave did you even know who jeff is i mean. Did you guys meet each other yesterday. I mean how did you end up working with jeff here. S jack is to my favor my Great credit i was a jackknifed share mutual lifelong friend now so increased. I'll say by meeting jack. My life is increasing every damage. Well i'll tell you what i'm gonna start with jeff. I'll pick on jeff. I ask you the the the the name of your bitcoin. I believe is called rx seed coin. So jeff maybe you can explain what is our x seed coin. Thank you so much clay. We you know we know that we're moving into a digital world is all around us as coming whether we like it or not and so through relationship i met up david and he had already been in the business of cryptocurrency. You know prior you know project. He was running was really successful And through that relationship he was actually making coffee called coffee. It was a healing. Coffee has urged in it and he has thousand testimonials in his coffee but we're talking about cryptocurrency but through that coffee relationship. He starts to talk about this project that he wants to get under underway this about four months ago and i'm looking at it going. Oh my gosh dave. I'm totally into cryptocurrency. I see it as a viable way that we could kick off something and create a sovereign community in a way that helps each other and so his theme with seed is a time to so and so that coins coin of compassion to my knowledge. Just never been done before and so we got inspired and just really take taken off to new level now and we're public at this moment we're actually trading and so crypto is a thing that's coming say whether you like it or not so the seed coin is a coin of compassion. And that's the bottom line and so how are we do that whole explain that later but that they answer your first question when you say you're public. I know a lot of our listeners. Jefferson what does that mean when you say you're public now. What does that mean. David explain that listed on a public stellar term global exchange of blockchain exchange. What's what's what's the name of the blockchain exchange again stellar term term now. What is was a term paper stellar like excellent in. what are their mo-. I mean what's the stellar term is a what now it's a it's a. It's a merchant exchange exchange were digital assets are traded globally. Twenty four hours a day. How many people are on stellar term. Six people at their millions are there seventy there's billions there's billions over two billion people over twenty five period that's on the global blockchain and the blockchain is made up of many smaller entities. Stellar is one of the major blockchain's on that global network. And how do the people know that you guys aren't aren't scammers now. I'm going to start with you because this is what happens. Is people have an idea. We started with coffee. Coffee people have an idea to open a coffee house so many people that say. I'm gonna open up a coffee house. I'm going to open up a franchise. I'm going to take over the world. And maybe they do believe they are going to take over the world but you see a lot of people where it doesn't work out it doesn't pan out it being whatever the business ideas it doesn't work and then everybody loses all their money and people fill all depressed and you know the the bitcoin you keep hearing about the rise and fall of the new. Bitcoin and bitcoin is gonna be the next thing and this is the big thing. And how do we know that you guys are stable. People there dave. What kind of your background. That's a great question. I'll try to make it as brief as possible but you know we are starting to in the coffee business. The rx smart coffee And that really gave us an opportunity to to have hands on relationship with individuals are coffee has obviously going around the world and a lot of good for a lot of people but it also peeled back a veneer allowed us to see that along with a goodwill people were really struggling financially. And we're it looked like that all means of new income Reeducated ourselves new fields of revenue or new strains of i'm just seem to be limited. There was this burgeoning class of securities that were right in front of us that we had no access to that was the blockchain and cryptocurrency so we launched out and we really tried to make this as easy as possible as Ergonomic if you will as possible to the pedestrians in the regular everyday person to see if we could tether than to this global explosion. That's taking place financially to people who might otherwise miss it because of their limited knowledge and their utility of the whole blockchain itself so our coined I is this atmosphere relationships that were color. So calling I myself a pastor for forty years now and then also gave me a view into the lives and hearts of good people who worked hard but really just couldn't make it from maxima with what they're bringing in and when they looked around You know their circumstances had nothing to do with who they were. Our moral were how much they prayed. It really had to do their choice of beef in the vehicles were limited and i really saw in see now cryptocurrency. Get into the right one if you can find one that among the thousands as you said there's so many scams out there as there are in all business all business but this one here is relationship so we start with the so coin with just establishing what we call trust line and i finally a stellar stellar blockchain bear network also calls them trust lines so we really are looking more than to sell coins. We are looking to build. Trust lines affiliates who are connecting with other leaks to where we show a network or an orbit of utility by virtue of those people who bagging the coin Whole coin so it starts with a relationship bills out and so the foundation of everything that we're doing is performance based are we following. The two lines of our vision is untrue. North still steady. We actually executing our concept to where we can ever results that some appearing before jody. I'm gonna. I'm gonna pick on you for a moment because On behalf of it everybody out there who is impossibly confused the moment the here You know bitcoin they start to go. I don't so crypto. Currency definition of of crypto currency as. I understand it. It's a digital asset designed to work as a medium of exchange whereas a individual human that has the the coin that stored in alleger somewhere that says it in a computer database. That says you have money. You don't have money that kind of thing it's a again. It's a medium of exchange wherein the individual coin ownership records are stored in this ledger existing in a form of a computerized data database. Now why that scares me so much so much. I'll give you two reasons. One is about shawn's videoing right now but he knows about two months ago. People were calling me going dude. You're youtube man that asset. That's gonna be huge that you guys have so many thousands of subscribers and so many millions of us. That's a big asset. What are you going to monetize that winter. You gonna monetize that. And i always tell people on my show. I don't sell ads. I don't feel advertisements. Because i don't wanna get into that world where people are paying me say things but then because we shared that hydroxychloroquine and that ivermectin and decide have been used to treat people then literally not a single person has died when they take pride on our show. We had a doctor. Dr richard bartlett. Who you jeff. We had him on our show. The former top medical adviser for the state of texas he hops on the show to say. Hey good news. everyone. I've treated with and i'd or the generic pulmicort has not died as a. Thank you gift from youtube. I got deleted from youtube. And then i got deleted from spotify. And then i got kicked off of instagram and then i got kicked off of facebook and then i got removed from twitter and then because lynnwood and i would not take down. Our fireside chats parlor was removed from the internet so that happened so now. I'm on rumble at this very second and now people on rumour going. Hey when are you going to monetize dude. You gain seventy three thousand subscribers week man. you're on fire. So whenever i hear digital assets that freaks me out. I like jodi would i'm big into would i like highlights. Here's i'm more likely to invest in a highlighter than anything digital. I'm more likely to take all my money. And by orange whips and icees and you who's of than anything digital because it freaks me out you know so jodie maybe you can call me down here a little bit. Well i might be responsible for that. I know jeff. From dr richard bartlett. And i actually built his websites of got taken down and the other one Your partly to blame the to you took to. I'm sorry and you're not the only one he got taken off as soon as they did. They covered him. I believe mike smith thank As soon as he covered everything else was deleted of his identity so We're in scary times but that's kind of why to me. This is so important what they're doing. And i'm not an expert in crypto. But i am a i do know some about it and i know a lot about technology from my background but to me with this dangerous territory that we have entered into not only about freedom of speech that about our Our economy and currency and everything is in this flux right now and people are scared They're scared about what's what's going to happen. And they seen these people making so much money off. Bitcoin especially i mean it's just gone sky high And so people are interested in that but it is scary because you could also go down right. Well let me just this up real quick here. I wanna play this for you guys this hot. This is hot jeff. this is hot. this is right off. The depress here. Hopefully doesn't depress anybody. If this is this is hot you you'll hear the audio is my understanding. You probably to see it. But when i was in washington i was hanging out with ian. Who were going to have on the show ian smith. He's the gym owner. Who's in new jersey. Who refuses the shutdown. And i'm gonna hit play real quick everybody here this okay. Let me hit play. Hopefully all here. We go stay on target. Stay on target. Oh here's a commercial. That i don't want to august the great commercial today shows is not is not sponsored by adt. We're not a big fan of the recording calls him but somehow they're on our show you can out there folks don't use. At and t. Okay here we go. Hippo jersey is very determined to crack down on crime not murders and rapes but anyone who criticizes the governor of new jersey on fox news and that the people who run the attila's jim the owners that jim have refused to stay. Close this here in november. We spoke to the owner in smith. So franken i are currently being fined. Personally governor murphy has has attempted to pierce the llc. He has fined us. Fifteen thousand four hundred ninety seven dollars and seventy six cents per day that day as per day. Yes well the. Jim has not paid those fines. But the state didn't wait around to linda. Kate or adjudicate they just took one hundred and seventy thousand dollars from the bank account because they can do that because they're the state they don't have to ask permission so we asked the state of new jersey about this. They gave us the statement quote the state previously obtained a from the court in the amount of one and thirty four thousand four hundred and sixty three dollars in eight cents which has stayed intended to collect. Apparently the funds were reference. You reference were frozen as a result of bank levy having been issued to the states collection efforts which is part of the enforcement of judicial order. Okay keep in mind that all sounds very legal. If you stop paying your rent. How long does it take you to get from your apartment. Probably new jersey. A year to this happened like that they targeted these people in smith is one of them is the owner of the. Jimmy joins us to in. Thank you for coming on. I'm sorry about this. Thank you for that. Has has the murder rate dramatically declined and so. They took his money out of his bank account. One hundred thousand dollars was just taken out of his bank account. He has no money so and this is a real thing. So i just wanna know for people that are scared right now. But what's going on. I know of two examples one. I can share because it's on fox news and the other one i can't share yet because it's still. I like to double confirm verify that kind of thing but a church has reached out and said that all of the church's money is now frozen. Best going to get worse clay. You know that this is why this is weighty for us right now The federally chartered. Banks and thrifts are now allows provide cryptocurrency according to the office of comptroller. As you can see here on my phone. So what that means is all banks can get into crypto currency and we solve the problem of homelessness conger and health with our crypto currency so when someone loses their money and can't buy food or home. This is where this makes a difference. Works cited about it. So as a coin of compassion. Is you wanna play that first or should we explain what we mean by that what you explain what you mean by that. Okay so basically we whole reason for doing cryptocurrency of compassion is to help people so that has not been done before. The blockchain enables us to take say fifty percent or seventy five percent of the volume of when people by the coin and we will go ahead in applied at two tiny homes. And so we've all homage dc in the business of building. We've already got some tiny homes being built right now. In fact i can show you some of the ones that are out there on the market right on my land. We're building the box containers. You can get those discounts so we have a partner who can build ten to twenty these a month. We're going to take some of the coca cryptocurrency proceeds by the container home and we'll habits of stabilized. You know the is. It's going to be forty forty foot law by by ten by four hundred square feet we can transfer these homes in different various sectors of the nation and then we also are solving the hunger crisis with food the food prices going be coming out with seed and with deliveries of food and on the health side. Our advisory board has doctor group. On it. And dr richard barnett. That we talked about bartlett. I wanting to correct so yeah. We're using these assets to end crisis in his sad. That people can get their money taken like that so we're looking for people who are generous. Also and when they come in and byron coin they asked him to a whole that for six months so that we can take the equity and build out the infrastructure. And in the meantime the coin is going to develop you know value this greater than it is as people go. We build. trust lines. Dave you explain more about how that works up just On a previous issue which is very important. As far as any funds being seized with the blockchain offers is a type of privacy. That really isn't available to the regular user most consi known now whether we like it or not is digital you. We normally using our credit card or debit card. That's digital but we really don't have complete control over the funds in that bank account at any time This perfect example. The state can make a seizure. A lawsuit you can be sued and bank account from. Bc's anything at all really the at you do not own you're really renting it. But with your own account on the blockchain never wallet of digital on the blockchain you literally own that account it is encrypted in such a way that no one can have access to that account. You truly enjoy privacy insecurity now. If again i i i have friends who owned banks so if i come across as i'm being a rude difficult ignorant person that's just because i'm a rude difficult ignorant person. Let me just. I wanna make sure this is the part where you say with all due respect and that allowed to say anything so with all due respect i do agree that all money in the bank is a digital currency and i know i know this one of my clients. He used to work for the federal reserve and he me the story one day. He accidentally put money in the wrong account. And i'm not talking about thousands. I'll tell you about millions upon millions. Oops but they could never find where it went some going. So what do you do. He goes oh well. We have a process for that a iso. I said what. What's the process. Is we have a process. So i talked to another guy who was a little bit higher up than he is an adviser for the federal reserve. And this guy says with. There's a process for that. I don't believe there's a process for that. I believe that they just go. I don't know what happens. But i'm just saying that scary to me that somebody had millions of dollars that just so even though. We're not all familiar with bitcoin. I do agree. I'll go that far with you. I do agree that most of the currency digital i also multiple times in my business as my businesses. I've had clients who've attempted to pay me and they said i know. Put the money there. They call their banks find the bank. Put it in the wrong in the wrong account. Maybe they re filled out the form wrong. The teller made a mistake. But this this is real thing this could happen now. The part that i. I'm struggling with and i want to get your taking this. David is the liquidity. This is why. I'm not a big fan of cash is king or just having access to money's king so although in my life i bought gold i bought a real estate. I have that kind of thing. It's hard to buy groceries with equity in my land. You know it's hard to stare down the guy and say listen here buddy. I've got cruzi equity and a lot of trees in some land so you're gonna give me some bread. I mean it's so. Tell me about the liquidity date. If i can and i wanna get jody's take of this. Bitcoin play some great questions. You really great way take it but That has been a challenge. That's been the challenge of all securities that people have against trends and the the market and all of its. But you know right now. We see the same trend lines following With the blockchain at they used to follow wall street. But now you can see that. The trend lines for the blockchain are skyrocketing and that is because predictability has really landed on the bitcoin The bitcoin is is proving over time to be a secure coin even as drawbacks right. Now you'll see a surge genetic drawback but it is never going below is former flow as former floor. If i'm talking too much in the woods but it's proven to be as far as analysts have gone is proven to be a secure investment With the bitcoin all coins on the market kind of follow. Auckland's on the blockchain follow the bitcoin. So on the bitcoin suffers off going suffer from the dick armey surges all lifted with it. But your question is on in terms of what makes it a true coined that can actually be used at the service station or on consumer spending right now They're one of our industry. Partners is developed has developed a debit card. To where now you can take the cryptocurrency that you own on the blockchain and it is now accessible on that you can swipe for your vast ernie thing so it converts it instantly from cryptocurrency into usd and it keeps running tally of the value of at coa wealth. So sorry you said usd anytime anytime you start doing abbreviations start to go. What what was so real quick you said. Usd there's somebody out there says i don't know usda. I believe you're referring to us dollars. But what are you talking about. Just so i don't us dollars okay. Okay now i'm gonna go back into the past two thousand nine. That was a great year. Two thousand nine if you guys remembered billboard bill if anybody listening right now if you can think of a hit song from two thousand nine you win a mega point maybe which translates into one one millionth of a bitcoin. But this'll be like boom boom powell. You know boom boom boom all the time. Those a big year for me. Black-eyed peas a boom boom pow. Boom boom boom. So that was that was the night. There's this guy this guy we'll say his name was sa- toshi nakamoto so toshi nakaboto an australian entrepreneur by the name of craig right has claimed that he is so tashi nakamoto. And you might say who's tasha nakaboto. This is the guy who allegedly invented the bitcoin. Do you guys want to comment. Does anybody wanna comment to do jodi. You're to comment about the who invented the bitcoin at all. Because i like a very dense person. I might have to guys have on the show a couple three times here because i have to start with the foundation. And i'm saying this. This'll be interview. One of three. Because i got to figure this out so bitcoin been around since two thousand nine. Do you wanna comment on that key. Thoughts there jody about the stability. Because it's only been around for eleven years. Yeah has an i. I am not an expert at it. I was very scared of it for a long time. that i have seen the trends and i've been astonished especially in the last i would say couple of years two or three years where it it just keeps going up. You know for the most part. And i that's about all i can say a ton of a off of that. How does it go up. They'll let me let me ask this question. I'm gonna throw it back to super dave here. Okay soon we'll come back to you so super dave. I'm gonna use what i call the inflation calculator. Whenever i'm looking for a good time. I don't go to the local bar because at eleven o'clock and oklahoma the bars are shut down. You you get. The virus becomes very deadly at eleven. O one up until then. It's it's say but eleven o one you get so. I'm looking for a good time. Also as a christian. I don't go to bars You know after eleven anyway. We don't go to bars period. But let's just say that. I've looking for a good time. I like to go to the inflation calculator website. That's a great alternative to the bar and you go to the inflation calculator there and you go and you put in a thousand dollars into the year. We put it into the year. Nineteen seventy-one by the way is the year that fabulous richard. Nixon got us off of the gold standard. So you put in a thousand dollars and you go if i bought. Let's do a better example. Say i bought a car in one thousand nine hundred. Ninety one in today's money would be nineteen thousand dollars. Okay i'm buying like a dodge neon or something okay. I'm buying a car. Back in. Nineteen seventy one i off. The car would be made metal. Probably not plastic. So when you re when you bump into somebody doesn't make your bumper fall apart but that for three thousand dollars back in nineteen seventy one in today's money that's one thousand nine thousand six hundred and thirty three dollars three thousand dollars. One thousand nine hundred seventy one of buying power is now nineteen thousand dollars. I mean money is losing value quickly quickly. So dave so. Let's talk about the inflation thing here. I helped me understand. How does the value of the rx seed coin or any. Bitcoin go up in value. How does that happen. That's a great question of the bitcoin reserves the the right to have inflation proof charts only because there's no real underlying service of the bitcoin except they were the first in their proven to be quite a quite a utility in terms of how the blockchain works. We won't get into but other coins not like bitcoin sufferer the scrutiny of all analysts. Who look at the fundamentals metals. What what is the coin. do what is it utility. What how is it. What is it used purpose. And so i get a permanent of perfectly in for our coin which we have taken the real estate market. The emergency relief disaster relief homes that we take in convert small containers into homes. Ten little tiny homes and we make those available almost for nothing to people who are just been burnt. Our evicted by themselves in untenable situation. We also take those homes from this coin sales and we are able to sell them sell them at a markup price we take that margin we put it back into the coin and we also continue to build. That's a model so then over time. Three to five years will have an inventory of thousands of homes that are connected not only to the real estate market. Just major means dollars. It's also for back into the coin in terms of into the year by orders so we are taking the real estate market and tethering it to the digital world so that the buyer of the so-called concede well as long as the disaster home businesses going. Well and as long as. They're doing exactly what they said. They're doing The coin has revalued globally because our two wings that the coin of lies on is performance in execution revision and then the spreading of that coin to as many people as possible. So we ask people. Would you just have someone else downloaded digital wallet. Even though they might not understand a thing about it please download. It is easy and let me send you some so coins. Every time they do that there's no cost ball l. Ever the increase the value of the coin because they increase utility in its orbit. So we've got a lot of things that are going for us but like all coins. If you don't have a means by which people can hear about you actually have a chance to try the coin how it grows in six months or a year period. You're out there in a sea of millions of coins thousands of coins. I should say on no. yeah so. The coins multi-stage purpose the c- coin. Business model is a multi-stage engine and so engine number. One is driven by compassion. And so that can. Passion driven asset is the emergency housing impact the food crisis and promoting global health. And that's why we have the board members that we have on the board. They each have an area that they are experts in the second engineers sowing seed to family and friends so muster see coin holders established affiliate trust networks and so these trust networks are people that by the coin and they provide a generous came back when they use the coin and introduced in two other people and a third engine is creating a so value. So w. value so why you're using your proprietary card which we should have spring to benefit and buy and sell on the market. You can go buy your gas and such steps. The plan cash crypto and those daily purchases will raise the overall value of our koi. So when does the debit card. A thing rollout jeff went went to the debit card. Gonna be available looking at our partner is sometimes spring. We're thinking right dave right. Every though we can't mention a partner's name because of proprietary of issues that he will be or they will be a major firm on the block on the blockchain. They looked to be on board with us by june. Okay what if the power goes out. Okay how about. How about this. Dave dave with all due respect. What if the power goes out. Okay because this is what's going on a lot of people. A lot of people saw that solar winds that was the company solar winds that was recently raided by the fbi and the us marshals down in austin texas solar winds had been looks breached by the chinese. Solar winds is a company that runs the infrastructure for elections and the power grid and a lot of other things. That was a big thing. You saw the explosion in nashville. That happened some people. Say it's rv that blow blew up. If you watch the footage it looks as though any something blew up. And then the thing that blew up blew up the rv. We don't know but you know also a lot of people are going. Hey hey what's power goes. I mean back in the day you'd have that one guy in the group about fifty dave you know you'd have a bunch of friends over for dinner at church and you'd be having carrots and you'd be having were you bring carrots. It's it's it's the trae you bring the carrots and the tomatoes and the cheese cubes the cube cheese for some of move the crackers and you get the one guy says hey this is like ninety five by the way he said ninety two thousand and four heats humor and you go over here away from the carrots away from the action here you know and he says you visit to prayer group. It's a group of people to get together so it could be prayer. He pulls you aside and he goes. Here's bill nine. Eleven was an inside job and they're recording our calls in any moment now the powers go out and he's been saying that since two thousand four and now everyone's like whatever but now it's twenty twenty and now that guy's going i told you so i told you so there's a lot of you wondering about the power grid going out. What happens if the power goes out there. Super death another great question. I'll tell you you could be a salesperson. Further blockchain tried to ask the stuff that i think people want to know. Okay so that's a great question. Just the internet is a collection of suburbs so If you're familiar with that you know that you know everybody tries to have their own server. Those servers are connected to a network of servers. We call the internet while the blockchain has same configuration. It does not run on the internet. So you can't shut. The boxing down it is encrypted with a new type of computer. Language called photography security to get into the blockchain is quite incredible and then each account is a literal digital account. Not like the emails or the internet that you know In in the world we live in. The blockchain has a quite significant layers of protections that keep invaders people that might want to do harm to all the money that's invested in that system. so let's go back to our female friend The the smart one in the group here with that guys smart person. jody You you believe in this project and a lot of people. Everybody listening to this. Show everybody listening to this show. We've all been misled this year. Whether it'd be by the mainstream media whether it be by dr fauci whether it be by that one guy that rope you into the multilevel thing that you're still upset about it could been the timeshare thing somebody bought. Everybody has bought some land in arkansas. That doesn't exist. I mean come on everybody listening right now. You know what i'm talking about. Everybody here joined a multilevel and it crashed. Nobody out there listening who has invested money and some evangelists that went to jail. Somebody somebody out here. Somebody thought vanilla should've won a grammy. Some somebody so everybody's here we're paranoid right. Now we've got black helicopters mentally flying around everywhere. People are paranoid. So how do we get involved in. Rx seed coin if we want to. I'm listening and i said i want to get involved but not in a big way. I want to come in small. Come in to see what happens to put my toe in the water before i jump in. Maybe i want verify water in the pool before i jump into the cement pond. How does somebody just put the little toe in the water there. It's very easy. It's very easy because you download your wallet and you do have to buy the styler Coin which is accelerating to to get the coin and you can buy as little as twenty dollars And then you can just trade it and then you can just watch it grow It's literally as box when okay. So give me give me the steps step. One step one jodi brigadier. Make it simple for me step. One is one of the wallets the wallet at the app store. We got the steps on the website. Like because it's it's a little. It's a little tricky. But while it and then you have to. You have to create an account so they know it's real kind of like opening a bank account. It's pretty secure. So they have to know you're a real person And then you create this you create your identity there and verify it and then once that happens then you go in and you buy lumens which is their currency if the style on the stellar platform. I'm correct me if i if i get anything wrong. 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I've seen as high as five right. Dave yes sir. We're hoping the absence by saying so. It's almost doubled in value in the last sixty days. Now you put money into burritos. Think about this if you take the same fourteen dollars you invest in burritos. What's going to happen to a burrito sixty days. He's watching that thing. If it's organic it's gonna turn green and weird stuff probably turn into an animal if you leave it there long enough if you're evolutionist out there if you don't believe the bible's literal but if you're a coin could go up in value and i'm just asking maybe take fifteen dollars twenty dollars. You know getting the game. Check it out. I appreciate you guys being here. I'm sorry you had to suffer through what are probably very basic questions. And i'm sure all the listeners here already knew all this and maybe this is just educate me. But i'll have you guys on again and maybe we'll get into part two and then part three and we'll kind of make this more advanced course here but thank you guys so much for suffering through this interview. Thank you clay. You see here all right. Well you guys have a blessed rest of your day and again everybody go to rx seed. Coin dot net today. Check it out and take the big burrito challenge. Maybe put fifteen maybe twenty bucks in there. See what happens. And i appreciate you guys coming on here and letting me Interrogate you hear a next time. Jeff i'm gonna do to make it less of to make it more of an interrogation feel. I'm gonna just have one single lightbulb hanging. I'm going to have the dark behind me. And i'm just yell at you and i ask my questions ready. All right you guys take care have a great day it and now without further ado what.

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225: The Cleveland Barons - With Gary Webster

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225: The Cleveland Barons - With Gary Webster

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Cleveland kept an air sent right back out again and up against the board goes beer now. The ball the puck comes in behind our crease. We're trying to get it out of there and we do here. We come with it to really going out. Splits him between the defendant. Brian spencer shot writing a naval held onto it. Now spencer again and knock down drag out battle right at the point slapshot and off the right side. It goes again. That was tried by dennis o. Chart and now we're trying to keep it going on one against this out there. Ask me how they miss that. Gaw dr beer enough to go. I want to tell you. That's unbelievable how they passed the go on us down here and then what fear did to set. That upper monahan was beautiful letter. Find more times than enough the defendant recap and goes down and money comes in got one of the best shots on a cloud decks look and puts it past the glove hand a massage and that puts the pens ahead to two one five twenty two on a handspring first goal. The penguin they had one last night because his father in law bernie boom jeffrey on with their to broadcast atlanta. Welcome to good seats still available. A curious little lied cast devoted to exploring what used to be in professional sports. Your host. Tim hamlett all right gang. Let's get into this. how you doing. It's your pal tim. And it's of course good seat still available curious little podcast that is devoted to what used to be in professional sports. Yes we are back from vacation. Thank you for indulging me for such and oh boy. Have we got a treat for you this week. It's hockey time. Yeah it's in the middle of the summer but you know eh. The hockey season truly never really ends m whatever opportunity. We have to go back into the crazy and wild and wacky history of all kinds of professional hockey endeavors. We are always up for doing so and our pal this week. Gary webster. Yes you may remember. Our previous conversation with gary from Jeez way back to plus years ago episode one eleven. Well we talked about the all. America football conference the quote unquote league. That didn't exist. Great book great conversation. We urge you to to check it out. But gary is back this week as we get ready for his Impending release we think it sometime in october. But this book will be available is actually available for pre order about the the story of we're going to get into and it's the cleveland barons of the national hockey league. Yes cleveland had a national hockey league team. The cleveland barons two years. It was in the nineteen seventies and the book that gary is getting ready to release now available preorder as call the nhl mistake by the lake. A history of the cleveland barons and man. Oh man what a treasure trove. This story is the clip. You just heard it gives you some indication of the just the sheer craziness and futility and the odd set of circumstances both before during and certainly after the existence of the cleveland barons nineteen seventy six to one thousand nine hundred seventy eight to whole barely seasons of professional. Nhl hockey and it is a story. that's got so many different layers and elements to it. But let's set it up that clip that you just heard there was from a pittsburgh. Penguins broadcast right. So cleveland barons footage very very difficult to come by but this was a clip from october. Twenty third nineteen seventy seven on w. h. t. v. fifty three in pittsburgh and the malapropisms. And shall we say less than sterling call by the governor bob prints well known for his pittsburgh. Pirates baseball calls and legendarily. So but i you know i. I'm not so sure on on pro hockey but what you heard there and abeille assisted by Color commentary Had a pr chief. By the way for the penguins. Terry xiang for shift schiffer scheffer is a really good microcosm of the just the craziness and the futility of of the cleveland barons if you couldn't discern it there during the The third period of this game one by the by the penguins a three to two ultimately in front of fifty nine hundred ten fans rattling around in eighteen plus thousand seater known as cleveland's i guess it was a wonder facility at the time the richfield coliseum that's a prince describing what essentially was a four on one break for the barons to score a powerplay just pure play four four four players to one against the goalie for pittsburgh and they still didn't score and then right after in the next sequence. The pittsburgh penguins scored on cleveland. You can hear in the background. Not only sort of the incredulous of a master's prints and scheffer but also the the fans nearby you can hear them and lamenting and and cursing and all kinds of stuff. And i i. I could not have found a better. And capitalisation i think of the The madness that was this crazy. Cleveland barons two year sojourn in the national hockey league. I'm gonna let our pal. Gary webster sort of get into it and this is this is one of those you can take notes and it's great but you know the beginning of this story From our episode very first episode ever back in two thousand seventeen with our powell march mill as well as our episode number. Thirty seven with our other pal. Steve currier when we got into the story of the golden seals california. Golden seals oakland seals. Various names right. That was sort of the the beginnings of this cleveland barons story because at the end of the seals as life and that again is just chock full of intrigue. It was decided that they were gonna come to cleveland and find greener pastures. Well that didn't happen. Let's shall we say. And this is a story That has multiple facets to it. There's the richfield calcium component thirty five or. I don't twenty five miles away from downtown cleveland actually closer to akron. They still couldn't draw flies. The story of just futility on the ice the story of an ability due to draw fans the the lack of marketing the change in ownership after one year the gun to family coming in and being local heroes instill couldn't themselves make a go out of this franchise the just the sheer I guess just to ambivalence for a whole bunch of reasons. We'll get into those The then emerging after that two year sojourn into another struggling franchise the minnesota north star. Something that we discussed with our pal. Adam reiter back at our episode fifty three and in essence the merging of two flailing franchises. The barons and the north stars to essentially become the sort of next generation version of the next The north stars and The basically the sunsetting of this cleveland barons franchise and the diaspora of all that stuff. Right is it. With the san. Jose sharks with their with the guns Finally came back if you will to the bay area After the seals had left is it with the dallas stars where The official sort of relocation of the minnesota north stars. What occurred about two decades ago. You know does it reside with The columbus blue jackets which essentially brought nhl hockey back to ohio. Who knows but we get into all of that and much much more a fascinating overdue and illuminating conversation with our pal gary webster. We're gonna talk. Cleveland barons hockey. It's coming up in a few moments time. You will enjoy this. And i look forward to presenting to you in mere moments habit. A few promotional items to get in the mood. Shall we Let's talk about old school shirts. dot com promo code. Good seats ten percent off. All of your purchases Lots of great stuff as you know. It's not just about sports at old school shirts. dot com. It's it's radio stations. It's shopping malls. 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We're chatting we were in the realms of football and cleveland and there i get the sense that that cleveland is very much near and dear to your heart as a subject to explore when it comes to sports teams. Yeah well lived my entire life year. And i've been in indian stan around san cavaliers fan so Yes i really am interested in in delving into the the sporting pass. Now where the book that. We're going to Discuss i used to be much more avid hockey fan than i am now. And mainly the reason was and in nineteen ninety. Two of cleveland lost. Its hockey epa which international hockey league team and went for like ten years without any hockey. And and really from the mid seventies on i. My interest in the sport had cooled. And i really can't tell you exactly what it was that made me decide to sit down at the microfilm and start looking into the two year history of the barons but i mean this is something that happened in in my lifetime. I was twenty years old when the barons came here. And so i remember them. Well and i i just thought it might be interesting to look back on one of the unfortunately Great sports disasters not only of of this community but frankly In all of major league sports the glee lebarons. We're just a a two year laughingstock. Yeah well and that. Actually that uniquely. Capitalizes its importance. When we come to look at topics that we wanna pursue. Because you know. I started this show. What four plus years ago. I must say on a whim but certainly on a on a premise or a supposition that a lot of our explorations would be sort of in this category of tragedy or serio comic or best intentions gone awry and that kind of stuff but you know certainly not all of them have come out that way but this i think certainly qualifies. I want maybe sort of get into the sort of The the two tributaries of this barren strikes. I think they're actually are two of the number number one of course as we've talked about in various or previous episodes with our pals steve courier and mark rich mill about the california golden seals. That that's probably the the most obvious but there was also this world hockey association. Dalliance with cleveland in the f. Four years immediately prior to the arrival of the barons. Do you wanna use those two topics kind of as the table center for this. Cleveland barons store. we're getting into yet absolutely. That is what i Wrote the first chapter about what happened to the crusaders and how it was absolutely imperative that the crusaders fake eight cleveland. These or the golden seals would move in. So i i do Spend quite a bit of time. Even after the golden seals had moved here. I just felt because i had talked about the crusaders in such detail. I did spend a little bit of time. Talking about how the crusaders who ultimately became the second in nation on the minnesota fighting saints of the world hockey association and how they Eventually went belly up midway through the nineteen seventy six seventy seven season and I certainly do mention the the golden fields as well. At least a brief store history of how they floundered badly in the san francisco bay area before deciding. Cleveland was their salvation and then of course. The crux of the book is how it turned out. Cleveland was not their salvation. Yeah it's interesting too. Because i think to the outside observer. I grew up in the northeast currently live in the chicago area. Certainly aware of cleveland. And it's very strong and long-lasting sports history. But i'm quite surprised to the more i learn and go back into professional hockey and particularly the nhl. But certainly the w.h. As to why. Cleveland hadn't gotten a real taste of top tier professional hockey Prior to the nineteen seventies right. I i think most most people obviously recognized the nhl itself it's only if you will The quote unquote original six. Only six teams for god knows since the end of the second world war all way until like late. Nineteen sixties right. So there wasn't a lot of expansion-minded this there. But but you know i. It's interesting because it seems. Like cleveland was always kind of regarded as a somewhat perhaps natural market for nhl hockey or certainly hockey generally. But i'm just surprised that it took so long For cleveland to get one if not to professional franchises and until the nineteen seventies. Well in my first chapter. I and i didn't know this myself. Until i started doing the research. Cleveland had a chance to join the national hockey league in nineteen forty two The barons were invited to join the national hockey league in nineteen forty two and they said thanks. But we're not interested. So i can go into detail about that if you would like so. I'm guessing that was a minor league barron's named team. Yeah the barons of the american hockey league They go back to nineteen thirty seven thirty eight so they had only been in the in the american hockey league for five years at this point but they had coverage in the nineteen forty one forty two american hockey league season. Believe it or not. The barons had a higher attendance average per game than the new york rangers did. That's very interesting. And so there was interest on the nhl spart in adding cleveland and adding the The buffalo bisons of the Ahl and it did not happen because the owner of the barons said. Look if i leave. The american hockey league believe will be destroyed. My team is the flagship franchise. And if i leave the ahl my fellow owners are going right down the tubes so all the out of business. I can't do that to them. So i'm staying here. That's interesting and and and i think it's put in context right the barons of the ahl one. I was like nine calder cups back in the day. The team started in nineteen twenty nine and lasted all the way until nineteen seventy-three so talk about an essential and foundational and and Bedrock franchise right these. Ahl cleveland barons. Yes yes exactly. And that makes the ultimate Demise of the american hockey league barons very sad thing to witness. And i do go into that. In the first chapter of the book because the barons and the crusaders tried to coexist in nineteen. Seventy two seventy three and. That just wasn't going to happen. So it was a very sad ending for a very proud of cleveland. Barons and in the winter of nineteen seventy three so in essence the it was the world hockey association constructive The recently departed. Dennis murphy and francea a two-time guests on this show and luckily we we got to him before he He passed away last week. i i get the sense that the w. h. a. was not Unaware of the longtime success of this ahl franchise in their own. I don't know special Thinking that cleveland was quote unquote ready for a top tier professional hockey franchise versus that of an h. l. Well they changed. Certainly aware of cleveland's hockey background but the reason Cleveland wound up getting the w. h. Tape is because i. Over george to the nhl had been rejected. The nhl was expanding like crazy in the five years between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen seventy two and cleveland. Try to get in and was rejected. So that left Nick mileti with no place else to turn for majorie hockey but do the what and the wj said short. We've got eleven teams already. But it would be good for us to have a market the size of cleveland so come on in interesting and so but that's obviously a scene center right for for how the barons ultimately sort of wound up there. I the the crusaders. And i know this is. We're kind of want to focus on the barons. But the crusaders they were they were. They played their first two seasons at the cleveland. Arena right which. I guess is in downtown. Cleveland yes they did. And then there was this richfield coliseum thing right which i think is important sort of Thing to sort of bring up in this conversation because maybe you describe it for our audience we've kinda hinted at the previous cleveland conversations but It's integral to the story whereas obviously with the barents wound up playing but it was an arena. That was built i. I don't know if it was specifically built with the crusaders in mind but it's clear that it was. It was envisioned as being a future home for not only hockey basketball but on the outskirts of cleveland. Right wasn't he even close to downtown. You know it The sports writers you out here used to call it the big house on the prairie and without it without it The golden seals would never have moved to cleveland and You it was partially responsible for the demise of the crusaders and the barons simply because it was It's not exactly equal. Distance between cleveland and akron actually was closer to akron then to cleveland but the big problem and i went to the galaxy of many many times. I started a lot of time. There not so much hockey but the basketball. So i remember what it was like trying to get to the television and what it was like trying to get into the parking lot and even more so what. It was like trying to get out of the parking lot. The problem was the coliseum. Was there was only one access road to the coliseum. Whether you were going east west north or south there was only one access road to the colosseum and if there was any kind of crowd at all it was a nightmare trying to get out. Tim literally I i was there the night in nineteen seventy sixty miracle richfield here. I was there for the seven game. Cavaliers and bullets twenty thousand two hundred seventy three people and my my buddy and i literally we just said when the game is over. Let's just sit here until lord knows went because we know what it's like trying to get out of this place we literally shan't building for an hour and went to our car and sat there for another half hour until the parking lot was i have full and then we decided to leave trying to get the palestinians if there was any around at all. What's an absolute nightmare. Obviously constructed with the burgeoning automobile in mind right. And i guess more of a regionalized kind of approach versus that of just sort of being in just the the cleveland City limits specifically. I mean you're mentioning akron. Cleveland obviously is part of a sort of a a still growing sort of environment that that has sort of smaller markets and cities sort of within reasonable reach. I guess maybe this was. I don't know Richfield was kind of envisioned maybe a little tad bit earlier than it's time while the gran plan. I mean this little etty had a grand plan for the coliseum and you hit the nail right on the head regionalized mileti and vision. Here's cavaliers and the crusaders becoming regional teams people come from akron to watch the games. People would come from young south to watch the games. People good even motor on up from columbus to watch the games and can't to watch the games mileti even envisioned basketball fans coming from pittsburgh to watch the cavaliers. Since they had no team in pittsburgh the invasion that the coliseum would be the hub of a complex would eventually include hotels and shopping malls and movie theaters and restaurants. Because the cleveland area was moving out the akron area was moving north and right there in the middle of all of this activity would be the richfield coliseum and it never happened and now when i when i drive past there. It's it's strange to look at where the coliseum used to be it's now just empty space. Nothing was ever built around the coliseum. Nothing nothing valenti ever envisioned came to pass none of it. Yeah millennial powerbroker in many respects. He was a founder of the cleveland. Cavaliers owned the soon to be renamed cleveland indians and and own this ahl barons franchise right so you think that he if anybody could influential and making stuff happen it would have been him. Well i mean. The idea did not seem farfetched. It really did. Not stephen farfetched and mileti did make one thing happen. Which was the coliseum itself because the coliseum was built with one hundred percent private funds not one penny and tax money was spent on the richfield coliseum so that was a miracle in and of itself on mileti got that building built without having to go into the tax payers to ask gray and white. It was completely financed privately. Are i don't want to harp too much more on the cleveland crusaders. Because frankly that's probably your next book. And i look forward to having a conversation with our lord knows that logo is great and and the story is but i want to close with one last part on this this part of the story right so and it involves. Frankly how cleveland wound up getting. The golden seals mileti own the team. Then he sold it in seventy five and then this guy jay white sold it back to him in seventy six and then literally almost like a month or two later. I think if i have the time right the nhl somehow decides to move to cleveland. And i did mileti. I guess the question is what mileti know and when did he know it And frankly it sounds to me like it was the nhl finally coming to cleveland. And then he recognizing his now newly owned rezoned crusaders had to get outta town because he didn't think he could compete there with the nhl. Is that right. How it's it's a very long and convoluted story and i do Talk about it in some detail in the book because it all ties in together the bottom line wise until world hockey association sent To legal counsel of the national hockey league on a letter stating categorically. The cleveland crusaders. No longer exists. Cleveland is no longer in the world hockey association not until that documentation was received by the nhl. Did they say okay now. The golden seals are free to move here. We needed absolute proof from the w. h. a. That this was no longer their territory. So the crusaders were gone. It was not a question of mileti realizing the crusaders couldn't compete with the barren barons would not or i should say the golden seals would not come here until they had documentation from the w. h. a. The cleveland cavaliers have been sold and moved out of the city. They no longer exist the crusaders. Yeah so but all right. So let's so is that jay whites doing was that malaysia. I mean or was it. True right Because it seems to be that. There's some question as to whether the crusaders in reality or or technically existed Because we know that they moved to as you mentioned at the top right. They moved back to minnesota or move to minnesota to become the second version of the of the fighting saints in the. What but there was. Obviously there was something to move now that the barons were coming. I'm just wondering what pretense false or otherwise that that understanding that the crusaders were quote unquote. No longer cleveland in the w. h. a. was true or you know concocted. Oh it was. It was true there was no conduction involved now. First of all the guy you're referring to his name was g more. James moore was the guy who bought a majority ownership in the crusaders from malaysia and found himself unable to make you go the franchise and really in the nineteen seventy five seventy six season unable to meet the payroll and having to borrow money from cleveland. Trust faint to meet the payroll among the embarrassing things that happened and the final days of the crusaders was the fact that when the crusaders came into being in nineteen seventy two they absolutely shocked clevelanders first of all and they shopped boston. Bruins fans by signing jerry cheever's to a five year two hundred thousand dollars per year contract. Bruins are just won the stanley cup and she was the hero of the stanley cup playoffs in the stanley cup finals and then shops everybody by jumping to the world hockey association and the fourth year of achievers contract was nineteen seventy five seventy six halfway through the year jayme. Moore's as i can't pay. I have no money to pay you. So they negotiated Away through cheaper to get out of the contract and he signs back with boston a black guy for the crusaders and a black guy for the world hockey association so ultimately more starts negotiating for the crusaders with the man named bill putnam who had been the president of the atlanta flames of the national hockey league. The flames were an expansion team from The seventy two seventy three season who unlike the golden seals quickly became a successful playoff team so negotiationms between more and putnam drag on throughout the summer of nineteen seventy six ultimately putting them pulls out more is holding the bag and so mileti steps back in and purchases majority control of the group aiders and decide. I'm going to move the team to do florida. Which was platinum. Plan to move them to florida or i'm good. Move them to minneapolis. Saint paul crusaders are days. We are out of cleveland. But i'm gonna try to make all of this team somewhere else. So the jay more and the minor investors can hopefully at least recoup some of the money that they have invested ultimately. Bill putnam withdrew entirely and the folks in Saint paul minnesota can't eat up enough money in season tickets to lower mileti and the crusaders to saint paul where they became the second. In very nation of the minnesota fighting saints in a nutshell. That's what happened. It's really much more long and complicated and convoluted than that for dancing nutshell. What happened to the crusaders. So that's really interesting stuff and research. Alert don't don't ever Solely refer Rely on a wikipedia entry to get especially hormones right like quote unquote jay white. Who apparently is not a real person. I guess but so jay moore thank you for the correction and it's interesting. It feels like to me. That mileti is almost kind of like a white knight maybe pun intended here in that he was essentially holding or re re gaining the rights of this franchise and knowing that he he needed to move it somewhere else knowing that this barons thing was in motion well it wouldn't be inaccurate. Just shame he did it right in on a white charger at the eleventh hour and again mileti himself said. I really don't wanna do this. I was glad to have unloaded. The crusaders on andrzej more. Because at this time malays entire sports employer was collapsing. He ultimately had to sell the richfield coliseum. He was forced out as club. President of the indians says the team was losing money hand over fist. Although the cavaliers were successful at this point is was a miracle of richfield year That was marred by the fact that he got into a blood feud with his head coach. Bill fitch during the playoffs his entire sports that wire was collapsing. He did not want to take control of the crusaders. But more didn't have the money to continue operating the gm as i mentioned he It had to go to cleveland. Trust bank to be able to beat the payroll at the end of the nineteen seventy five seventy six season so mileti. As i mentioned a few minutes ago said i will take over and i will find a new home for this team. Hopefully we can make a go of it wherever that new home happens to be. Whether it's hollywood. Florida which is where putnam had wanted to move the team. Sure the sport a tory on their the legendary sports. The sport atari him. Yes either. I moved to hollywood. I saw to putnam and move. He moves to hollywood. And if that doesn't happen and it didn't happen then. The folks in Saint paul have a chance to step up and get the franchise they did and millennium was hoping he could make a go of it. They're so good. At least reimburse more and some of the minor investors some of the money that they had invested. He really had no hopes of giving getting them all of their money back. But you hope to reimburse them some of the money they had lost on the crusaders and ultimately the second inter nation of the minnesota fighting saints went out of business in january of nineteen seventy seven and that is how the cleveland crusaders ceased to exist. They became the minnesota fighting saints. The saints went belly up halfway through the nineteen seventy six seventy seven season. And that's the end of what started out as the cleveland. Crusaders in nineteen seventy two and not unique given the history the checkered history of the world hockey association. I i'm curious. Did you reach out to me. I know he's still with us. I don't know. I think he's going to be ninety years old by now and interesting sidewalk for our listeners. He was also part of the short lived. Las vegas posse of the canadian football league when they were doing the american team thing. Nineteen ninety-four but aggress. That's got to be an interesting story in its own right. I wonder if he's still you know not only around. But potentially you know a decent memory to kind of go into that. I you know. It's a stretch. But i wonder i have not had any success and trying to get in touch with him and my understanding is from the local sports writers who have done the same thing. It's basically. he does not want to talk about it. But i i will continue trying it because yes if the memory is still there it would certainly be interesting to find out his take on all of these things as his world as he reached the peak. I own the cavaliers. I own the barriers. I own the crusaders. I own the cleveland. Indians of major league baseball and i got the richfield coliseum built on some radio properties to write g. Did he owned Www e which broadcast the indian teams and the cavaliers games and the crusaders games. So i forgot to mention that. Well and i think also the home of The old peep. Franklin's sportsline show. My goodness. I don imus was on. That show was on that station too. Maybe i forgot. I spend manny many hours in the early middle nineteen seventies listening to p. franklin's sportsline. I certainly did and then it all. It all collapsed and to get his explanation for how all of this happened would be Fascinating thing all right. We're making a note We'll we'll put that on the on the sidebar. But let's get to the. Let's get to the barron's because maybe you can kind of get us into how they arrived. I have according to my research. The nhl approving the move of the golden seals to cleveland in july of one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six. I guess it wasn't finalized until about a month later. We're so what's your understanding of. How the how. Cleveland was selected in the move was made and why cleveland from from oakland. Well to takada paraphrase. What i'm about to explain to him The veterans are a case. Study in how. Not to relocate a major league sports franchise everything that could have been done. Wrong was done. Wrong june today just Just a moment to explain about the california golden seals they were born in the first round of nhl expansion and the franchise was a mess from the day. It was born. it could not attract fans in oakland. and it was a horrible team and played in sub-standard building and what happened was The golden seals were eventually purchased by name. That will sound familiar to anybody. Listening to this podcast. I would certainly think anyway. After a couple of years golden seals were purchased by charles. Old finley the guy who owned the oakland athletics During their heyday in the early seventies and into the eighties simply couldn't make a goal of the golden seal although he was the guy responsible for the name being changed from the oakland seals through the california golden seals in hope of expanding. The fan base. Things got so in fact it. Finally the nhl to get rid of finley bought the team from you and operated the game for a couple of years in nineteen seventy five. The team was purchased by three businessmen. Mel swig lived in the san francisco area. George gund the third who was a native clevelander but was then living in the san francisco area and a guy named blood levitas. Who bought all of two percents of the stock. And whose name is mentioned like half a dozen times in my book because blood levitas was not a factor at all so it didn't take long for swig. Do decide that the team was not going to be successful in oakland. Unless and this is meant we hear it all sports and averted for for many many many years. Unless i get a building. I can't make go of. This building is too small that we play in in oakland. And it's antiquated. I can't make go of his year. And after the nineteen seventy five. Seventy six and swig decided. I've gotta get a new home for my hockey team. There had been discussions with san jose to build a sixteen thousand seat arena. Which would have saved the team to the bay area. When those discussions fell through swig her into his eyes toward denver there was A great deal of interest in denver which had just lost its world hockey association team denver. Seventy five seventy six had been given a w. h. a. expansion team which left town after three months and moved to ottawa ontario canada which had already lost one way changing after three weeks. Ottawa james simply went belly up so denver was now in the market. For an nhl denver had a spanking new arena called mcnichols arena which was publicly funded and therefore owned by the city guy. By the name of paul her was a sportscaster in denver. Was the front man for the group trying to get the golden fields to move to denver. What happened there was. This was also the time the summer of nineteen seventy six when the nba was in serious negotiations with the aba to merge the two leagues and a guy named carl scheer who was in charge of the denver. Nuggets of the ada was very busy with those negotiations to merge with the nba sheer was supposed to be the money man to bring the golden seals to denver and sheer said. The bud palmer. I can't be bothered right now. The nuggets are my dry already. I gotta get the nuggets into the nba. So forget about it. i'm i'm out of it. I'm not going to supply with any money to bring the nhl here. That left bud palmer with no investors and that left mel swig without denver as a possibility for moving his team. So that left the richfield conversation here between planned. See if you will land she. If you will the coliseum sitting in to clean cleveland and akron quite possibly and having seen the building although i n g in any other hockey or basketball arenas but having spent time in the building. It was a beautiful building state of the art everything. So modern it hadn't been invented yet and the coliseum was privately owned it was not owned by the city of cleveland. That made a difference. the Research that i have done indicated that building has privately owned. The owners had much more leeway in terms of negotiating the lease to make concessions that are city owned. The building doesn't have So the coliseum is privately owned and it's sitting here the cleveland crusaders or making noises about moving so had to make things even more interesting george down. The third who owns thirty eight percent of the golden seals is a native clevelander and he suggests just weighed. You ought to move the team to cleveland. Great building there. In cleveland has a long history of supporting hockey. It would be a great idea to move the team to cleveland so denver. The picture swig decides to investigate this. This is all transpiring within a roughly thirty day period. That thirty day period during the month of june of seventy six. Now jim if you own. A professional sports franchise a major league sportsman. Chai's worth millions of dollars. Of course today they're all worth billions. But we're talking about nineteen seventy six year worth millions of dollars and you're thinking of moving it to a new community. Don't you at. I do some homework about this community that you have never visited yourself. Mel swig knew nothing about cleveland. George guns theory did sweet is the majority owner and he knows nothing about cleveland. And he doesn't bother to learn anything about cleveland because he was getting desperate because the clock was ticking towards the new season. Maybe now the the clock is ticking. Now swigs still had two years left on his lease at the building in oakland at the team played him so it wasn't like i have nowhere to go. You can go back to oakland if you leave. And he's going to have to buy his way out of this lease but that is an ugly situation because by now the fans know tried to move the team to denver and ended in work. Now he wants to move the cleveland if he comes back to oakland out of desperation. Who's going to go to these games. Knowing that in two years or less the team has gone so that is really not a viable alternative. Now swig does not know anything about cleveland. Other than what. George got ended. The third has told him you know they have a nice building. He flies to cleveland late. In june of seventy six to tour the building with gun and with An attorney who represents the owners of the coliseum. Well that's all swig needs to decide. I wanna move my game here this building. I want my team in this building. I want my team in this building next year. How fast can we do this. So by the end of june they have negotiated a wage by the end of june. Clarence campbell. The president of the national hockey league and the national hockey league owners are satisfied. The w j has abandoned cleveland. It is an open market. We can moving here with no possibility of litigation down the road from somebody saying hey that's our market and you invaded it and you always money. They are convinced that this is not a possibility the. What has said on paper. Cleveland is not a w.h. Shitty anymore so. By the end of june there is a lease negotiated on the richfield coliseum and slade goes to the nhl board of governors. And says i want to move the team. They're basically she has support for that move. There are a couple of snags. Because when you're talking about cleveland they're always a couple of snags. These wind up getting worked out and the nhl Let me see here. I shouldn't have the nation right here in london on. The fourteenth of july officially gives swayed permission to move his team to cleveland. Gary on the fourteenth to the board of governors makes it official and the california golden seals are now relocating to cleveland. Sweet admits boy. This was a whirlwind. It really happened fast. And there are a couple of things that i probably should have looked into. But they're just they're just wasn't time one of those things being how about possible local investors and swigs as well you know. I haven't talked to anybody. But george is going to handle that gonna see if anybody in cleveland would like to invest in our hockey team and george does the third and talk to anybody about investing in the hockey. So great away. You've got the right hand. Not knowing what the left hand is doing and the buses are all gassed up. Ready to go right there in even before this date when abreu was officially given by the nhl Swigging already woke the front office. Staff to cleveland to start selling tickets for this team that they didn't officially have until july so now looking into potential investors is one mistake although swig may have thought he didn't need any investors because cleveland was going to be the land of milk and honey and they're going to beat down the doors to the richfield coliseum to watch my team and so i don't really need any other investors that may have been his line of thinking but the other big mistake was he didn't talk to any civic leaders in cleveland. He didn't talk to the mayor. He didn't talk to the Cuyahoga county commissioners or the summit county commissioners with original coliseum being located in summit county. He did not speak to any civic leaders about me. I like to bring the hockey team here. let's let's discuss okay. You didn't talk to anybody. He just moved the team to cleveland. And the operative word here because swig used it. A lot was hope. I hope the fans will welcome my team. 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That's box of awesome dot com promo code good seats for twenty percent off your first box. Thank you box of awesome and please. Let's enjoy the rest of our conversation. Also part of the story right is is the calcium itself right because if i have this right not only state of the art but this was for hockey i think the largest capacity of any now team in the nhl a big cavernous eighteen plus thousand seater right which she's talking about pressure right to fill those seats. Yeah was eighteen thousand five hundred forty four sheets which was bigger than any building then in the national hockey league and boy do. They have trouble filling. Well i mean about vine is in two seasons. They never did only once. Did they draw more than thirteen. Thousand out of eighty home games only wants to draw more than thirteen thousand so only once they have as few as five thousand empty seats normally they had thirteen to fourteen thousand empty seats a lot of good though she do when nobody is sitting in that well they also didn't have a great lead time right so assuming how. This sort of transfer sort of occurred june july august of seventy six right. You have a season that starts in early october. That's a that's a. I at least a semblance of a team. I'm sure the players and the coaches and all that stuff. I'm not sure all the sort of Were on board to make a move across halfway across the country But still even even though they had those resources behind them. If you will it still was essentially a start from zero if you will in terms of market awareness in terms of schedule in terms of all of it right so three months. Not even right. And that's hardly amount of time enough time to get media deals and ticket sales and establishing a base and community and all that kind of stuff right. It sounds like they were kind of snake bit and right from the very get go to even have a hope of even growing into that role very early in their first season and all of that is part of the lack of due diligence. That was talking about. Yes you get here. Officially to live work and the season starts worst week in october. Your training camp is going to start early in september so you have about six weeks before in training camp and then this time you have to start selling season tickets and most importantly you'll have to start marketing over which the barons we can probably start calling. The barons now was Late in july when the official announcement was made that the team would be renamed. Cleveland barons the barons did almost nothing in terms of marketing. Maybe it's a little early in our conversation for me to mention this. But i i say in the final chapter of the book and the epilogue. I tried to explain exactly why. The team failed so so spectacularly. I think one of the problems was and again as i mentioned. I was twenty years old when the barons came here. And i've been a sports fan since i was eight. I been a fan of the original barons. The ahl and i followed the crusaders at least their first couple of seasons. They did kind of lose interest after after the second year. I've been an indians fan. Since i was eight. I did a browns fan. Since i was eight. I've been the cavaliers fan. Since the day they were born and here is the the fundamental difference between the cavaliers and the barretts cavaliers were born the year. The barons to me and i think too many people in northeastern ohio. The barons never really felt like they were our team. The cavaliers were born year of expansion and they were horrible the first season of their existence. There were there were lousy but there for several seasons but they were our team. They were born here. The california golden seals came twenty five hundred miles across the country and showed up one day and said the national hockey league is here so everybody get down on your knees and just our feet and loves loves loves us because the national hockey league is here and in cleveland. That doesn't work. that doesn't go. And i think that might have been the overriding factor to everything else. The bearings just showed up said boy. Are you lucky. To have an nhl franchise so love us to death and clevelanders said No not happening. It doesn't work that way in cleveland. It was like. I don't know if you recall when cavaliers won the nba championship back in twenty sixteen Lebron james said it in cleveland. Everything is earned. Nobody gives you anything you're gonna earn it and the barons didn't wanna earn it. They were the nhl. You were lucky to have them and we wanna be loved. Wanna be loved right now. Did not work out that way. So not only did they get off to a bad start both on the ice but also at the gate but but swig essentially starts i. It's interesting. it seems like it was undercapitalized from the very beginning because key key moment in time right early nineteen seventy seven. Just not even halfway through the season you got swig. Going to the board governor. Saying i need a bail out already mere months into the first season. How does something like that happen. Is it under capitalist. What will i mean. Was he'd on the gate right out of the gate so to speak To keep cash flow just seems like there's not enough money sort of liked kind of operate the team going into what essentially as a kind of a startup environment. Well that is the longest chapter in the book. And that's after probably put my research journalistic skills you more of a test than i had any of the other assignments that i'd take on that chapter runs for almost sixty pages explaining what happens to bear at the midway point of the season now as far as much away we want people to buy the book but always do essentially right. It's it seems like if it was a normal logical rational ownership approach having little to no money and having i guess the word even liquidation was even it was floating around how how does it go in six months to get to that bad so quickly well First of all. I just want to mention one thing. Which kind of ties in to this. You talked about being undercapitalized. I truthfully don't know how undercapitalized swig may have been. I do believe that. He was very much dependent on the gate. Receipts which were not coming in for example. The barron's very game when you would have expected a huge crowd quite possibly a sell out of eighteen thousand five hundred. They didn't even nine thousand to their first game. So that was a a red flag right there but really you're because then that and we were talking about marketing A moment ago for the santa the fans something happened. That probably grew them in right away to how the barons we're going to operate it was suggested by the local media especially the that you were newspapers that you would be a good idea if the barons could acquire some familiar players because cleveland. Something who any of these guys. These guys have been transplanted from oakland unless people followed the nhl. They didn't know these guys. We're now our players cleveland's players there were a couple of former crusaders. Who were on the market and available one being paul schmear who had been the world hockey. Association's top defenceman. The previous season smear was caught in the problems of the crusaders. The ownership could not pay him what his contract calls for. And so the cleveland writer said hey. Schmear came from the golden seals to the crusaders. He's still on your negotiation list. So why don't you sign him. The fans would love to see this familiar face. He was very popular with the crusaders fans would love to see this really your face in a barren uniform and barron some general manager guy named bill mccreary said no no. No spare makes too much money. We can't pay that kind of money. You would upset everybody on this team because it would just totally upset our salary structure. So no we're to sign paul schmear or any of the other ex crusaders. They all make too much money. So right away. The fans of the barons are clued into the fact. That mel swayed either doesn't have it for isn't willing to spend one or the other. So what happens is at the all-star break of the seventy six seventy seven season there and are not doing well not drawing anybody to the coliseum and sweet goes to the meeting with his hat in his hand and tells the board of governors. You said i need cash now. The way the land papers reported it Like the Barons had Payroll that was to be met in the middle of january and swayed said. I'm not meeting this payroll. Nobody gets paid until we get this problem. Resolved and the problem is i need more cash. So the cleveland writers naturally asked are you broke and swings response was no. I have plenty of money to meet the payroll. But i'm not gonna do it because i've already lost more money than i had budgeted to loose. I came to cleveland. Knowing that i would probably lose money this year. But man we're three months into the season and i've already lasts lost more than every penny i budgeted to lose. And that's just gotta stop. So i have the money to meet the payroll but i'm not gonna do it. The league is gonna have to help me and that Started about a six week period where nobody got paid. The players shouldn't get paid. The coaches didn't get paid. The people who really suffered were the front office staff. Each people aren't making a hundred two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars a year while the players were not making that kind of money in those days i should say seventy eighty ninety thousand dollars a year. The front office staff wasn't making that sweet wasn't paying them. Either and negotiations went back and forth and back and forth in every day. It was odors a new plan to save the barons all the plan. Just through olders and hundred plan to save the baron's own that one just fell through and the players threatened to to go on strike and the players also said if we don't get paid by such and such a date we'll declare ourselves free agents and we can sign with anybody and of course Clarence campbell said the heck you will. You will not be three ages. If this team goes under you will be subjected to would dispersal draft. Alan iverson the president of the players. Union said oh no they won't always three agents and the the union will back them to the hilt so it's a mess for six months. Are the barriers gonna survive. Or aren't they gonna survive. Ultimately they they did and it was eagleton who came up with the money borrowed the money to give to swing on the condition that's used for player salaries and nothing else. The players association borrowed six hundred fifty thousand dollars and weighed put up. I believe it was three hundred. Fifty thousand and the league put up three hundred fifty thousand and with at one point. Three five million dollars swing was able to make it through arrest of this season. It's marsha as actually essential. I'm sorry gary essentially bail out with a significant concession granted by the players association this when alan nielsen was a noble character. Yes yes. I read about Mister eagles since i i wrote the book and yes i guess i guess the only person who gets kicked out of a hockey hall of fame. Jim well yeah for for for for very good reasons and We yeah so he was a noble sharing through then now eagleton had already been on record at this point. First of all adelson told the players. It's my recommendation because Swigging talked about cutting everybody's salary by as much as twenty seven percents. Now he would give them money back at the end of the season. Somehow and if you didn't then the players would supposedly be able to declare their free agency. Swing was on record as saying i want you. I know you don't like this. I don't like having your salary cuts that. I think you should accept this because the bottom line is it's important to keep the going until the end of the year because there are players on this team who is it folds will be out of work yes some of you will wind up on other nhl teams. Some of you will be out of work. You're not good enough to play for any other. nhl came. He didn't use those words of course but the point being. I wish you guys would consider the big picture. Consider the fate of your teammates is to everybody's advantage to keep the barons going for the rest of the year and then will liquidate the team and we'll be we'll be done with it and who knows if it had come to that what the players ultimately would have decided but yes it was a bailout and The money was used to bay. The players salaries variance lasted till the end of the season. Some of the players some of the players were really very angry. They wanted to go wonder because they wanted to get the heck out of cleveland. I mean they've been told when we leave oakland. Come to cleveland. You're going to have twenty thousand people in the stands for every game and it's going to be great fantastic and this is gonna solve everybody's problems and in fact things just got worse and the players were tired of it. A guy by the name of allah mcadam was quoted in the paper. After the bailout. Saying i think with. I don't wanna play for this team anymore. i'm sorry they build it out. I don't want this team fold. I want outta here so some players really very angry that the team survived. Well yeah they finished last in their the adams. Division but Interestingly the i'm surprised that they were able to sort of keep it together they weren't they weren't the worst team in the league. I mean they were certainly near it. But i mean the red wings for example had only sixteen wins that season in the norris division right the mighty red wing. So i you know. I think it's a testament to the players to kind of you know soldier on to the extent that they could and win at least that many games albeit in last place right they did last place in their division and they finished the fifth worst record in the league. Fits words out of I believe there were eighteen teams in the nfl that she's various with this worst. So knowing that that's sort of in place and at least the the salaries are covered for the rest of the. I'm guessing then it didn't help It probably wasn't any money left over for anything. Related to marketing. Were getting people to go to the games. And that kind of stuff. I gotta think. The wheels are in motion. Then that behind the scenes to get new ownership or new life into this franchise once the season was over then. No that's true. There was very little done. Well actually sweet did antioch one hundred thousand dollars or marketing for the remainder of the season but it was a given and and some of the some of the players and actually said his sweet continues to own this team. We want out. We will never play for this man. Again and sweden one owns the team anymore. It was one enormous headaches for him. He wanted to get rid of it. The problem was who were taking office. Yes Now when the seventy six seventy seven season ended the day after the season The cleveland press. I believe it was the press. Had extensive interview with clarence campbell. The nhl president. Who said as far as i'm concerned. The cleveland barons no longer exist. They ceased to exist. As of the end of yesterday's schedule. Mel sweden has lived up to his financial obligations. The league has lived up to which financial obligations. The cleveland barons. As far as unconcerned no longer exists. So that's how dire situation was. Either new orleans had to be found or barons we're gonna be liquidated and there was only one viable potential owner or i should say to viable potential owners. We were four inch gunned the third and his brother. Gordon both native clevelanders gordon. At that time owned no stock in the in the barons. His brother owns thirty. Eight percent of the barents. And if somebody was going to save the barons it was going to be the gun owners. If they didn't do it then the barons were history is all over. And why do the gun step into do it. Then given the one that that lead up which was hardly a lead up right yes. I think it was basically out of loyalty to the community. Now they didn't live in cleveland any longer. They both maintained. George gordon both maintains residences year. But they no longer lived here full time but they still at a number of connections to the city the family's done to foundation still exists and still gives millions of dollars every year to charitable causes in the cleveland area. Their father had been a pillar of the community. They had grown up watching hockey here. And i think it was essentially out of loyalty to the community. They realized if the barrens are going to be saved we have to do it again. The negotiations were long and drawn out. Eventually they came to fluish. In in june of seventy seven and george gun third and board and guns became the owners of the bearings. I believe i know they. They bought out swig. I believe they also bought the two percent that Blood levitas owned. And i don't know where bug levitas spent all this chaos and maybe just sitting back. I'm glad i only owned two percent of this message doesn't involve me so the gun. Brothers takeover with great optimism. They make a promise that they will keep the barons in cleveland for at least three years to try to make a go of things. And that's a statement. They ultimately wound up regretting. Well what happened. I mean they certainly gave certainly injected a lot of new life and enthusiasm and marketing and a and and Excitement i guess around the sort of guess reincarnated Barron's for the second season right. Yes they they knew how to run the franchise they spent money on it. They marketed it. they did everything right there really well. There was one strange thing about the agreement that the gun signed to own the team. And that was actually. The agreement had to be approved by a man named sandy greenburg who owned the coliseum and for some reason even though the guns owned the team they had to go through shandy greenberg. Just spend money on the team. They had to get sandy greenberg's permission guessing had now purchase had gotten the calcium from from the mileti. Right who had probably had to sell it got to Disciplined greenberg on ninety percent of the coliseum and the other ten percent was owned by The kettering family. I believe of a date but greenberg owns ninety percent of it and the leading was now totally out of the picture. But this convoluted sales agreement required greenberg to green light any money that the guns wanted to spend on their own team so that hamstrung them for a few months. They finally changed the agreement in january. Giving the guns right to spend their own money on their own. Gm and other than that strange agreement. The guns did everything right but the gene. We still terrible the to choose top draft choices. We're total busts and contributed nothing. The number three big showed some promise and wound up getting traded so the barons continued to lose. The fans continued to stay away from the coliseum and by the the guns should set aside and showing this to the nhl when they bought the team. They said we're setting aside two point three million dollars to run the team next year. So we're not gonna go to the nhl with our hats in our end and ask you for money at the all-star rage well throughout the season. Alan eagleson who had come to the rescue of the team in the spring of seventy seven as early as november as early as november. We're a month into the season and eggleston is saying republican suction. The barriers aren't gonna make it through the season they're gonna fold. The barons will fold people. Hockey in. Cleveland is had to go second year in a row. he had to say this well He he wasn't really so vocal about it the first year but the second year again as i said an one month into the season the guns are trying to build something you're and then when eagles since the that the guns were absolutely furious. How are we supposed to build something here. When the president of the players association is telling our fans the team is done it is going to fold and they denied that it would fold it did not however ultimately. He goes to knew what he was talking about. By the time the all star break came around in nineteen. Seventy eight to gun. Brothers had already spent that two point three million dollars they and budgeted to run the team for the entire season but they didn't go to the league and say we need cash because they were not broke begun. Family was extremely well. They could absorb any imaginable wass from running vari- and they did and after the season. The guns admit when we went to the league meeting at the all-star break the board of directors expected us to say. We are folding the team. But we didn't. We kept the team going for the remainder of the season. We had no intention of folding. Not even though it was our own personal fortune. Now we were spending to keep the team going because nobody was coming to the games and the two point three million we had budgeted. We had already lost. That already. spent that well. We were not going to fold the team. And they they didn't but then the question became after the seventy seven seventy eight season and again the barons finished. I believe with the worst record in the nhl. How long are the guns is going to be willing to lose the kind of money that they lost. In nineteen seventy seven seventy eight season you have to ownerships now in the span of two years right that have not been able to succeed one somewhat arguably undercapitalized and kinda maybe not knowing what he was getting into a second year with well. well capitalized local residents. So before we get into the dean want of this because that is also is a fascinating sort of. And i wouldn't even call it a cul de sac because it's in some respects. It's still kind of but we'll get to the history of this gets domiciled but the. What are the reasons that you're able to discern here as to why two separate groups from two different perspectives. Still can't make a go of it is it. is it the arena. And the the fact that they don't control their own lease is it the the location of the arena. Because it's outside of at least the cleveland City limits arguably outside of akron is. Well it's in the middle of both for both of those metros is it Ah somehow lack of television and were Radio or or were exposure. Is it the league itself right. Because the minnesota north stars which is an important part of the end of the story are similarly floundering is at the league maybe having expanded too quickly or maybe getting a hangover from its aggressive nonstop expansion. That kind of really got going in earnest. Sixty seven sixty eight right which was itself. Maybe trying to make up for lost time having waited so long for twenty five years to actually get expansion going until the late sixties or maybe. It's all of those things. I don't know it's kind of a congential saying you're talking about the expansion. I do mention in the book the craziness of the expansion. The nhl had its original six teams as you mentioned earlier from world war two until nineteen sixty six sixty seven well by this time. Baseball is expanding. Football is expanding basketball expanding and there is a demand for more. Nhl hockey there are big cities out there. That wanted nhl hockey but the expansion just happened so fast that in a ten year period if you include and of course you have to include the w. h. a. in the spring of nineteen sixty seven when the nhl season ended. There were six major league hockey teams ten years later between the nhl expanding and the world hockey association coming into being there were thirty two major league hockey teams quote unquote. And that is just mind boggling to drive to wrap your brain around from six major league teams to thirty two in ten years much too fast. Certainly that had something to do with as far as the location of the building is concerned. That's legitimate let. Let let me ask you. Have you ever been to cleveland. And and seen the him Back when yeah back in the day vaguely remember it. But i remember it was what thirty miles out of the city of cleveland. Something like that. It was about twenty five miles away from downtown cleveland about fifteen miles away from downtown akron. The the big problem with the coliseum was it was used mainly for winter sports for basketball for hockey and northeastern ohio. In the winter his not a pleasant place to be. I've lived here my entire life but the lease me northeastern ohio. November december january february march is really not a pleasant place to be the cavaliers screwed that the coliseum was not an obstacle that could not be overcome because when they made the playoffs in seventy five seventy six what we hear in northeastern ohio. Still call the miracle of ridgefield year even though we have since had an nba championship. Since then but seventy five seventy six is still the miracle of richfield for for old timers like me. They drew capacity crowds because they were winning and playing exciting basketball. So the coliseum was not an insurmountable obstacle but when you put a bad team in the coliseum and not only a bad team but a boring game because the one thing that caught your eye about the seventy seven seventy eight there. And they couldn't score. They averaged for most of the season two goals per game. Not only jim do not win scoring two goals a game. You're not going to draw fans to watch him score two goals a game. They were bad and they were doll and people were not going to drive down. Interstate two seventy one in a snowstorm in an ice storm to pay what they thought. Were unfair vicious to watch a lousy hockey team. Yeah no transportation. Really either to no no i. I think i think eventually the cleveland. Rta did start running special buses to the coliseum but essentially no regularly scheduled public public transportation. I think a lot of it was the perceived kerrigan's of the national hockey league during during the seventy six thirty seven season. One degree of newspapers did conduct a poll. And ask vans. how come you're not going to the games. what is it about. The barrier engine is turning you off and they printed the resolves and there were like ten different things but one that really stuck out was the nhl is perceived as being arrogant. It was like i said earlier in our chat the golden steals showed up in july of nineteen seventy six and said we're the nhl. We're the best. There is in the sport of hockey. And now you lucky clevelanders you data team here. We are. Kiss our feet and loveless to the tune of fifteen thousand dancing game and clevelanders. We're not gonna do that. They received the nhl as being arrogant and very full of itself and they didn't like that that that attitude didn't work they just for not Humble and it wasn't like we we will welcome you. Don't show up here and say we're here. Welcome us journalist big parties and teen thousand fans a game. We're here so love us loves wellness and that doesn't work and that really did it might sound the bogus but that really did turn off a lot of people but to To get to the data in law as you said I do have an epilogue in the book in which i try this sort of wrap it up in a nice neat little package. What the the myriad reasons may have been for the barons failing but it all goes back to the lack of doing the homework when when swing stole the barons to the gun. Two brothers in june of seventy seven. He admitted upon leaving cleveland's of the last time he admitted i did not have good information. When i came here. I think this could have been avoided if i would have had the information i needed but i didn't have it just only fault. You could've done his homework but he didn't do it. He didn't do the due diligence. And then the gund brothers. After the second season commissioned what has now become known around here as the infamous survey and serb aid people in northeastern ohio I don't know who they hired to deduct survey. I know they paid twenty five thousand dollars for it. I said in the book for the mirror. Expenditure of twenty five thousand dollars the whole disaster. That was the cleveland. Barons could have been avoided swig could have saved. Millions to guns could have saved millions. All they had to do was what the guns did. After the nineteen seventy seven seventy eight season. They spent twenty five thousand dollars to hire some survey polling organization to find out how many people in northeastern ohio are interested in the national hockey league. And what they found out was almost. Nobody surveys. sad. If i may quote a famous game show. The survey said of the people who consider themselves to be crusaders has only eight percent of them said they were interested in the barents. Only eight percent and that ultimately is the reason the gun scheme for merging the barons with the north stars. The survey said northeast. Ohio just does not want this hockey team. It want it. They don't care about it and that's not going to change anytime soon very interesting. Well so the let's talk about sort of the final chapter if you will in that regard right so the guns actually were. i think. Correct me if i'm wrong. We're pretty instrumental in creating the exit strategy that ultimately went down which was the effort mentioned minnesota north stars. We've had howard baldwin on the show and hopefully have a back again in a couple of months to kind of pick up where we last left off. And he sort of is involved later on and sort of the north stars and they're sort of history but but the this basically was sort of set up as look. North stars are flailing which also seems relatively strange given how just deepen enrich a hockey heritage of the state of minnesota has right. But it's a for another story for another day. I guess the guns kind of saw that you have two franchises now that are literally going to collapse and wouldn't it be better perhaps if maybe just one of them went away versus both of them going away right. So do i have this right. The guns were kind of the engine behind this. Don't call it a merger merger of these two teams tennis as i understand it. What set the whole machinery in motion was Sometime in the spring of nineteen seventy eight. George gund is the third was in. I believe it was was On now. I can't remember was in austria or czechoslovakia for the world hockey championships. She was a died in the wool. Hockey fan and also attending the world. Hockey championships was the owner of the minnesota north stars so their pants crossed and they both started. You know commiserating with each other the word last in the league in attendance the north stars were seventeen out of eighteen teams although their attendance was more than fleiss. What the barons enter on and it pretty much unfolded the way you explained it. You're a two teams that are going down the tubes. The barons lost three million dollars in nineteen seventy seven. Seventy eight and two guns had no intention of throwing another three million dollars Down to the store in nineteen. Seventy eight seventy nine. So can we take and the north stars. Were also not a very good team. Can we take these two lousy teams and merged them into what might be An average team. It that might contend for the last playoff spot and a teams that might draw some vans in minneapolis. Can we do this. And as i understand it. The idea they both liked the idea of gun did and the owner of the north stars did and it proceeded from there was something that never happened in the nhl before teams merging the board of governors said. Yeah it's fine with us. And so in. June of nineteen seventy eight. The merger was an out the team would be known. as the minnesota stars it would be based in minneapolis. And the cleveland barons no longer existed so in essence i guess the guns essentially i dunno swapped ownerships of their teams and kind of became basically the owners of the north stars and then essentially let the barons kind of be the ones to go way. Well yes for guns did become the majority owners of the north stars and all the various players were merged with the with the north stars roster in just a matter up come training camp in september on many of these former barons would make the north stars and some of them did and some of them. did not but i believe all barron's players except for two who were released to other organizations became part of the north stars and it was up to them to make the team training camp yesterday. Guns did become the majority owners of the north stars and a dispersal draft and all that kind of stuff essentially was then to allow them to stock their new north stars team. Well i'm not a winner of of a dispersal draft there. There may have been one. But it just my understanding that. Basically you took the minnesota roster and the cleveland roster and you swooshing together and you had one roster which became the minnesota north stars and again was a matter of in training camp. Which of these is will make the team. Some of the players who once move will become north stars and some of them won't be good enough they'll get cut That is is the way The way i understand it but i maybe Not correctly informed about that. Well i look to be honest with you can be forgiven because there seems to be a lots of i mean this is where the tributaries and the the branches of this river kind of go in in in various places so this has been. I'm opening and and very interesting obviously we've had previous conversations about the golden seals sort of at the beginning of this We've We've talked about the minnesota north stars with our pal adam raider back in our episode number fifty three but maybe try to encapsulate sort of a an exit strategy for us in this conversation right and let me couch it let me couch. It sort of is this. I don't know how many card-carrying cleveland barons fan club members. There still are out there. But let's assume there are a couple. Maybe maybe present company included where logically or illogically. Would you say given the work that you've done to put this story out there. Does the cleveland barons. I dunno official or even something history live right because you could make arguments that it died and it doesn't have any history good riddance but the reality is it actually was part of a lineage. Right and that lineage as we sort of leave or get off of this part of the story right goes to the minnesota north stars or at least portion of it and then that story right the minnesota north stars right itself breaks into two later on guns involved Some of it going to the dallas stars and some of it going to the san ironically. The san jose sharks which the guns were involved with Bringing hockey literally back to san jose was after it was originally thought about in the sixties with with the golden seals so and arguably you could squint even harder and suggest that maybe because of now the geographical proximity of the let's call it next generation columbus blue jackets that perhaps there is where it could be somewhat elegantly sort of at least remembered or nodded to. I the question. There is if you're in a story in which you are you which you you can't avoid right now. 'cause you already are one right now gary so congratulations. Where do you think the barons history could and should effectively live. First of all Let me say. I take great pride in being a sports story. I love doing it one other reasons that i wrote. This book is because i. I really believe there's an interesting story but i also felt that the fact that cleveland was in the national hockey league for two years should not be completely. Forgot totally agree. Because i can tell you nobody around here talks about the cleveland. Barrett's wants this book is published and again. It's kind of hard for me to believe. As i mentioned i was twenty when we got the barons. It's hard for me to believe that this all transpired forty years ago More than forty years ago wants. The book is published and i make the rounds of the author nights at bookstores and libraries and such. I really expect a lot of people. Do come up to me. And say i never knew. Cleveland had a national hockey league team. I never knew that. I would be willing to bend it a very large portion of the population even those who themselves sports fans don't know that cleveland had a national hockey league team for two years and i wanted to keep that fact alive. I think that That deserves to be known has to wear the the barons would fall in terms of Sort of the pecking. Order of of cleveland sports. Obviously they would be at the very bottom of the list. I would have to place them. I wouldn't have to play with. it's not tied with. Maybe maybe even though. I have to say above only because that. We're talking about the national hockey league crab talking. Ahl predecessor or the team. That came back as the barents. That i think. Howard the guns actually Brought back right in the minor leagues after this debacle yet. They dated. they've they bought the The lexington kentucky team of the american hockey league and moved to cleveland and renamed it the barons and The the gentleman cavaliers. Now dan gilbert own the cleveland team of the american hockey league. Which did win. The american hockey league championship won the calder cup. In and funny. Sixteen and the one thing. Dan gilbert made it verbally clear when he I don't see started the jam from scratch. Or if he purchased him and moved to hear. You made one thing perfectly clear. Esteem will not be called. The cleveland barons other barons. So i would place there. And just above the cleveland. Stoker's of the middle-ranking sixties who were a british soccer team. I'm gonna stop you right there because that that is another book you need to do. The one year wonder actually two years. Yes they were stoke city from a masquerading as the cleveland. Stoker's of the old united soccer association as you probably know by perhaps listening to this show absolutely right up our alley and talk about something that is also lost. A history is absolutely that story and I was. I was ten years old nine years old and didn't years old we had to stoker's and soccer did not mean anything to me and i have to confess. I'm still not not a soccer fan. Just does nothing for me. But i know. They played in front of Few stray pigeons and nobody else at cleveland stadium for two years in the investors lost their shirts on it. Really i would place the barons just above Above the stoker's in terms of People in sports history. I'd have to put them behind our into our soccer games. The forest because they were popular clevelanders really went for for indoor soccer. So the barons would probably come up in next to last place on the pecking order of labeling. Sports in in my estimation. And as i said i'm expecting run into a lot of people when i Hit the road to promote this book. We're gonna look at me and say i never knew. We had a national hockey league gene. We just we don't talk about it. It's something we want to forget and the book explains why i. It's also interesting to you. Know again i. You could even throw in the pittsburgh penguins right giving their regional relative regional proximity As i you know. I think it's also the question is also kind of loaded right in that. It's it's a two year experience that just about everybody involved with or rem kinda wants to forget i. It's interesting because i think the design of the the low of the logo and the jerseys. Those are actually pretty cool looking. And perhaps as a retro component to it but you know there are a throwback games and all kinds of leagues and teams stuff in. The nhl is no different. I guess just the perhaps apropos of nothing right if if there was ever a desire to somehow at least acknowledge the baron's existence in some kind of commemorative way. And maybe in. Today's sports world to make some money off of the old logos. The jerseys and stuff right for half the price who would be best served and or logically suited for that would that be the sharks right given that that's where half of the north stars diaspora went or would it be the dallas stars. Where the other half kind of went. Maybe having thought about it for a moment you could maybe give them. Give the tie to the the sharks only because of the guns involvement in that decade or two later right and effectively. Perhaps maybe being sort of a round trip if you will this golden seals to barron's to ultimately back to the bay area kind of thing but but but only only a very narrow victory in that regard. Now again i. Who's going to do that. I don't know if people do start to pay more attention to this story that you bring back to their attention. I don't know it's an interesting. Quandary that where should that history live right. People liked the hartford whalers right and that's lives on right obviously more popular and revered franchise back in the day but you know the people in carolina they want to use it and and monetize it and people in hartford are pissed off that their absconding with their their history right but to me. That kind of stuff is actually. It's not academic. I think it's actually kind of important. Yeah the barrons are probably relatively lamentable. And all that. But still if there's a banners there's a barons jersey if there's a barren piece of history if there's if there's a logo a sign that gets excavated somebody's state sale yields a whole bunch of barons memorabilia. It should go somewhere. And if it's not say the national hockey we call fame team. Go to You know. I know it's kind of a moot point question. I think it kind of matters frankly and it goes back to what you said earlier. This is history that happened and sad is it might be or lamentable as it might have been. You can't forget it because it happened and if the nhl is going to go on and pro hockey is gonna be a thing. You can't ignore whitewashed this yet got gotta have a domicile itself somewhere and we'll descending so bus I i understand exactly what you're saying. The cleveland barons existed and the california golden seals existed. The fact that the team ultimately was merged with the north stars does not change the back. That for ten years the golden seals slash barron's. We're probably the national hockey league's biggest pain in the bucks. Probably their biggest headache that they existed and therefore what is the the family tree. The steeled to the barons to the north stars to two stars. I think you are right in that. The stars are probably the closest winning relative but the fact that the gun brother is eventually wound up back in the san francisco bay area and deciding. Hey we want to get back into hockey. let's get an expansion team. And they were giving one part of the barron's belongs. There has well and i don't mean to be evasive but i think part of the barons belongs in both places. Probably the giants share though being in dallas from from oakland to cleveland to minneapolis to dallas. That is the real family treat of which the barracks were apart. Just fantastic our thanks to gary and You must get this book. It is available from our friends at mcfarland books and it will be officially out. We believe sometime. 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Summit shows you don't have to be a lobbyist or an adult to lobby your state rep

"You too can be a lobbyist. I'm MPR chief. Meteorologist Paul Kutner. This is climate cast time and time again here on climate cast experts. Tell us that while changing. Your personal behavior will help. It's going to take policy change to avoid the worst impacts of climate change. So what can you do to help with that? Dozens of Minnesota teens found out at the youth climate justice summit at the state capital this week and our producer. Megan burks tagged along to bring back some tips fifteen year old. Audrey arc win of Saint. Paul says the first thing you need to know about talking to lawmakers is that they're people they're all former teachers they all hold other jobs within their lifetime and they've just decided to run for office They're not scary and most often. They've listened to constituent feedback arc sits on the Minnesota Youth Council which advises legislators and the governor on issues. That young people care about in two thousand seventeen. He went to Germany for a UN climate summit. In last year he helped organize the climate strike that brought thousands of students to the state capital. This is an existential threat to us as a society. We have shown that we are able as youth to bring out so many people to support our cause of climate justice and climate activism. We have been able to persuade. Legislators we have really been the ones that are sparking change inside this government right now. So what's our Quinn's formula for making his case to lawmakers I the most compelling part is always why you care about this issue whether you have family members that are being affected Europe being affected by it yourself. You have children that you WANNA grow up in a world where it's not fundamentally different than the world. You're able to grow up and that always connects to legislators and a really important way and then also making sure there's a clear you wanna say. Will you support this bill? Will you commit to doing something like supporting a cause? That's a big one. Are Quinn says that part? The ask can be tricky. It has to be specific tangible and one of the things that is really helpful is going to our state website many times online. They have built summaries. No one has the time to page through a twenty page bill. That is in language that we don't understand because it's used in the house so by looking for those summaries. I can give you a really great idea about what this does in short amount of time and sort of allow you to gain a position on it. Legislators expecting you to be experts on these things they want to know that you're committed and they wanNA know how it's affecting you and how you want them to act on it. They don't need you to be a policy expert on what exactly needs to change. Because that's their job will welcome everybody to see this formula action followed group of students from St Louis Park Richfield Minneapolis into dfl representative Jamie. Wong's office the Energy Conservation for schools bill and kind of connected to we know that next year there's GonNa be a lot of budget cuts for schools in Minneapolis and worrying about how that's going to affect our concentration so last year. We had funding for solar in schools was in the house. Bill for big Climate spending package got had broad support. Unfortunately we weren't able to get it through the Senate and we wanted to push as a solo bill or not a part of another bill where you could just kind of taken out at the last second. This would be its own separate. Did you hear that? They want representative long to keep the schools proposal. Which has bipartisan support? Out of an omnibus bill that could also include some dealbreakers that keep it from getting past long. Who'd had ten other meetings that morning says? This kind of interaction truly helps. We may care about thirty or forty different issues that we want to try to get something done. But you're not going to be able to get everything done in a particular year or session so we need to prioritize and hearing from folks even folks. We agree with that. This is something that matters a lot right that this is a top priority. That really helps us focus in. If you're feeling inspired get to at the legislative session ends may tenth that piece was produced by Meghan burks. That's climate cast. I'm MPR chief meteorologist all.

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NPR News: 04-21-2020 1AM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 04-21-2020 1AM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. Democratic and Republican governors are insisting that the White House do more to eight state efforts to test Kovic nineteen some governor say shortages swabs protective gear and other supplies are impeding efforts to access how many people are infected. President Trump says some state leaders are simply misinformed. States need to assess their complete inventory of available capacity. Some states have far more capacity than they actually understand and it is a complex subject but Some of the governor's didn't understand it. the governor is an example. Pritzker from Illinois did not understand his capacity Maryland. Republican governor Larry Hogan says his State has obtained half a million Kobe. Nineteen testing kits from South Korea. Hogan says estate was doing all it could to increase its testing capacity but had to compete with other forty nine states for resources. Federal officials say they plan to start tracking and publicizing information on how infections and deaths at nursing homes are occurring nationwide. The White House and Congress are still trying to reach an agreement on a fifth government. Rescue package to help. Small businesses continue paying workers during the Kovic Nineteen Pandemic House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi says she's optimistic that all sides can work out the final details. The Pentagon is extending its ban on most military travel until the end of June. Npr's PUIG my reports the two development sound somewhat at odds and that reflects the challenges the military faces in dealing with the corona virus. Defense Secretary marquess birth said most all military personnel will stay put at current locations until June thirtieth. This extends travel prohibition already in place through may eleventh and suggests the military does not foresee a quick into the pandemic. Meanwhile the army says new recruits can again start shipping out for basic training. The army called a two week. Pause after a cluster of cove nineteen cases cropped up at Fort Jackson South Carolina. The army will now perform daily health assessments to guard against another outbreak. Greg Mary. Npr News Washington okay. American oil benchmark West Texas Intermediate fell by more than seventy percent Monday k. Ut's most shell reports that Texas. Regulators are considering mandatory production cuts. The idea has divided industry. Most BIG OIL COMPANIES OPPOSE IT smaller independent oil producers view production limits as a lifeline. Kirk Edwards is the head of ladder. Go Petroleum the bigger guys. Plenty of market finding papa access and plenty wisest door. They're all independence. Do not if there's not some wait till Al Fairness then you personally responsible for the demise of the Texas independent producer this year state regulators will again take up the plan on Tuesday production caps in Texas would need to be done in coordination with other states and countries to have a chance of boosting oil prices. Mozambique Shell and Austin this is. Npr news the US Supreme Court struck down state laws in Louisiana and Oregon that allow defendants to be convicted of serious crimes by a less than unanimous jury as NPR's Nina Totenberg reports the six to three decision overturns a nineteen seventy-two ruling that had upheld non unanimous verdicts writing for the majority justice. Neal gorsuch noted that both Louisiana and Oregon have conceded that race was the motivating factor in both states. When the non unanimous jury measures were enacted and said Gorsuch. No member of the current court thinks the one thousand nine hundred ninety two decision upholding. Those provisions was correct. The disagreement in this case was over when the court should adhere to its precedents and when it should not it's a fraught issue mainly because the current conservative majority appears to disagree with many long established precedents on everything from abortion voting rights to religion and federal regulatory power Nina Totenberg. Npr News Washington. These are premium court has rejected a request. By a group of Montana homeowners who were seeking additional cleanup of arsenic. That's leftover from years copper. Smelting the justices. Say The property owners must receive. Epa approval before proceeding with efforts to decontaminate their own properties near the Shuddered Anaconda. Smelter they property belongs to be owned. Atlantic Richfield company which says it's already spent four hundred seventy million dollars to clean up the superfund site. I'm Shay Stevens. Npr News in Washington.

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#82: Post-Harvest Cleanup

hopnology: Hop Growing and Brewing for Craft Beer

38:57 min | 11 months ago

#82: Post-Harvest Cleanup

"Good morning yet again. Yup. We're here. It's what what, what else do you want me to a Yup? It's so far. It is a good morning is a glorious glorious blue skied Saturday morning in Wisconsin Yep same here in Connecticut. It's beautiful out it was beautiful last night's. Except for my usual coyotes screaming at me. Outside I'm supposed to be nice. All weekend. It's this is the first weekend in. September. It's Labor Day weekend. So Nice long weekend. If you now I don't know when this will drop, but you're thinking about the past this is the weekend. When California you know basically is is in the hundreds right now and that's where all the is are at the moment. Glad. I'm not out there in the hundred and ten degree weather the yeah it's quite the opposite here We're going to have to turn the heat on. The high next week is going to be in the fifties. I did see it's going to forty in Colorado on Tuesday which. Yeah Wow wow. Weird. Start bringing the fire wooden So with that in mind, I will say that since it is now September I do plan on actually having an October fest it's. Enough. Yes. That's fair and is fair won't do it in August just won't do it. But now that September it's okay. By the time you listen to this, it's going to be close enough to October that the Tober will be gone and all the the quote unquote winter warmers will be out there whatever that. Yeah whatever the. Talk about that in November You BETCHA. Yeah nutmeg does not make a beer a winter beer now doesn't. Okay so stuff how snuff every once keeping? Yes. You do. Once again we WANNA thank Sandy Ridge farms our newest sponsor. And they are. If you go on our website right now, you'll see linked to them at the bottom of every page every single page sometimes twice now. Page. Because they're running a Labor Day sale through October ninth. Across their website for all plants and also if you're not buying plants that you're buying other stuff anytime hop -nology the code hop analogy is a five percent coupon. You can use it on the website you can use it when you call them, you can use it in skyrocketing i. don't care how you use it bud yell help -nology and they'll give you money back. Awesome. Great. That's awesome. So while you're on the website, we've had you know we get a lot of questions about things and we're at the point now having done this for award a year and a half already I there's still letting notes of still waiting for the knock on the door someone some strange men in black badge going it's it's time for this to be over guys year done. This really needs to be done. But after a year and a half, we're we're starting to get questions. Where responses yeah we did talk about that on the podcast but I don't what it was Ariza. Yeah. So we we finally went through we organized it and then we put some tags, some categories on all of them, and if you go to our website now on the right hand side. You will see all of the podcasts by topic groupings, which is actually really helpful even for us to look at it and say. Did, we talk about this already because we've talked about the. So there's an aroma science category market category. There's a few different ones for things in the field like plants has its own category disease in pests some category even rance has its own category and I think it's kind of funny that the last three episodes I posted all fit in the rank category. Oh Yup Yup so that that's when we need to reevaluate as we did before starting to record okay. What are we talking about the next couple of weeks because or opinions are starting to take precedence? So. Well, that should be surprised at anybody listen to Oh at least a half an episode. That's Unapologetic about that. Yeah. Yeah. So I may have to change my expectation of what gets labeled durant rating for a few minutes here and there maybe that's not a full on rant episode I got to think about that a little more. Point being if you're looking for something specific. While we love to hear from you and you can continue reaching out to us. You can also just look at that list by topic, and if you click on one of the topics, it'll take you to a trimmed down episode list of of everything that's somewhat related to what you're looking for including science science. That's a had to make that a topic I'm yeah. Of course sure about the spelling for science there but I'm not sure about the Spain for anything in those episodes so. Yeah. That's some they're all made up words anyway we. COMP- long words? All words are made up Okay. Well they. I think that's it. That's it. So. So now what so it is early September, which means you're listening to this mid to late September. and. It's harvest is probably done Yeah I hope. So at least in north. America. Yup Yeah. So pursuant to the topic that you just discussed about the the index on the website. You know I could of sworn. We had a whole episode on Post Harvest Field Care but I could not find it so. For those of the listeners out there that know our catalog better than we do. Let us know what episode number that is if you don't mind, but we are going to at least dedicate. An episode just to post Richfield Care because I think we probably on it across multiple but have and I think there may be one in that Operation Section of Post Harvest Equipment Storage I. Know We talked about cleaning your your your harvester and cleaning your pillow tyzzer in putting them away properly but to your point, they might have been part of a larger conversation and not all about everything you've got gotTA. Do Post Harvest Yeah and I think that's what it was but so let's talk about that. Again that was a recommendation coming out of the the discord hop knowledge EST group. Thank you guys. Good topic. So let's yeah. Let's just get into it. We'll see what happens and that'll probably end up being you know operations slash episode US swimmer ransom. Right. there. Complained about Christmas beers and it's September. Eh complaining proactively even though I haven't seen any yet because that's just who I am. And all you know they're in the in the fermented right now. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Let's talk about Let's talk about the field talk about dealing with field and after harvest. So. So the. So the season's over so can I just walk away from the field? It'll be there when I, come back in March, what do you think my answer to that is? A you're probably going to say, I could do whatever I want ex exactly. Right. You can Sherfield you can do whatever you want. I wouldn't do that but do you could do that? I think what happens there are some things I. Think now granted this is for those of us who are in temperate zones where you know we experience seasons implant. Realize not all of you do so bear with me. But in general, we are going to proceed as if the plant is going to get a dormant period outside. So as we would. Let's call it traditional. Post harvest plant maintenance. So yeah, you've got the the binds chopped out of the field. The place looks like a bomb went off What do you do? Right Well, first thing you should do. Is have a beer because damn. Well done you made it through another season. Those plants are not going anywhere out there. So you can take a couple of days to sort of gather yourself and clean up the harvest shed and whatever you're you're doing if you're Peleton obviously that's probably your next, big, Goto. Sometimes, even that can wait. So just you know take a breather Thank you deserve it. Once you start feeling guilty now get back to work so it should be after about two thirds of the way through your first beer. Then You'RE GONNA, look at your field and say, okay, I gotta get out there. I want to clean all this up making look nice or what have you? Just chill for a second because plants depending on how you harvest them. Right. If you'd decapitation harvested and you've got stumps left out there in the field with no leaves on them. They're not going anywhere. I like to wait till they go doormat myself before I get out there and do anymore cutting on them. Because is an invigorating activity you when you when you prune, you can force new growth. So you just did a hell of a pruning. So maybe just let him lie and some of you may say, well, you know what? About if if I don't decapitation harvest and I just I'm hand harvesting and I put my plants backup. Different Game. you still have a plant that is very susceptible to late season downy mildew that means you're fungicide regiment has to continue. That is something. A lot of people don't consider when they think. Oh. Yeah. I'm done harvesting season's over everything's great. My plants go to sleep. And get super wicked infected. Now, you can't do that. So you would continue with your fungicide retirement until the temperatures get low enough. That you're outside of that downy mildew risk threshold we talked about back in I think was winter So, it gets fifty degrees Fahrenheit. Fifty. Forty five I don't remember but I'm sure someone will will go back us that new index and go back and find it and listen to past anyway. Okay. I, know there the saw. So. Keep that in mind if you've if you're putting your plants backup. Yeah, they'll photos synthesize and they're going to produce starch, and it's going to go into the tubers and the crown but at which is great for for the following season for more energy that doesn't mean that you just get a pass you don't have to take carry a plans for the rest of the season that also includes watering any obligation although you cut way back on those. So that's a caveat I think to to post harvest server care but heck I might tomatoes Outta my garden that I just let it sit until after clean it out in the in the spring, right? Okay. So that's that was gonNA awesome segue. That's my next point because I think. Aside from. You, know the plants go dormant and sort. Let them do their natural you know slide in the dorm and see. The Way I. Always look at it was. What is my spring usually like? The term. COMES, to mind. Because usually for me in southern Wisconsin, it was. By the time I could actually get into the field to do physical work. It was also time to you don't hang on. And then you're mmediately, you're under training and it's like you have I had no time or very little time to do any of that. Yard cleanup so that really meant fall was my time to do that. So I would let the plants do what they're gonNA do. You could continue to go up there and do romance you know we'd maintenance whatever you're gonna do but now's the time to go back in and handle all those little things that need to be taken care of before spring. So things we would do is like go out and cut any old twine off the cables, get rid of it. because. You are going to be bitch in the next year I had not seen around place moving old twine all over the place just to just clean it up you have. Thai. Sometimes, you'll even trawl US work. Like all right. Well, that one sagged a lot more than I was expecting. So I'm not tighten it up. It's not gonNA relaxed much over over winter. Anyway. So plus if certainly you're in a very cold climate has gone steals contract and it's really not going to droop all that much. Any sort of dirt work you need to do before it turns into a sloppy mess in the spring. Do it now? You know sometimes it's even revealing could be done. Now get those weeds buried because they're not likely going to be able to poke through an reestablish before it gets too cold. They'RE GONNA die. Those. Sorts of things just be on top of it get all that cleared up. So you don't have to deal with it comes spring. Yep or you could do none of that and when spring hits, you can remember and say, Oh man a couple hours last fall would really saved me days yep. Absolutely. And there's know those are just some things off the top of my head but maybe we need to divide this into like plant care like horticulture and just like operations. Sure. So let's look at plant-care. James How do I know? Oh, my will my hops dormant. Well, if there's any leaves left on them and depending on how high up you cut it, you're going to see them start to kind of you're GonNa Freak out because you think Oh my God look how those things are full of downy mildew. Now, they're probably just going dormant so they'll get kind of yellowish. Green and then they'll get brown spots on them and they'll leaves are dying. There's nothing. So they're just going to dry up and crumble and go away. The the woody bind itself. Depending on how thick they were like how vigorous supplant was in the season May or may not actually snap off of the crown sometimes they do sometimes they don't. I don't know if it's variety dependent or what, but it just doesn't seem to be to me to be any rhyme or reason sometimes they're really firm and they stay attached sometimes they do. That's a pretty sure sign that that plant is is going to sleep. What I found. was that sometime around right. So we're talking upper half of the United States here so. Sometime. Around. Mid. October. To, the end of October they're they're it's sleepytime. They're not come. Back, up again, even if you get a warm snap, I, mean we've had warm snaps in. October and November heck I remember one year I was. Auguring new holes for polls for an expansion on Christmas Eve Day. And sweatshirt, it was like sixty four degrees. And crazy right. But I was making making use of the time surf and but alight, the photo period had changed so much those plants were not waking up it was asleep time. and. That's precisely why plants use photo period over temperatures Q. Dormancy because temperatures all wacky. It's all over the place photo period. Unless something dramatically wrong with the planet. Like we're hurdling towards the Sun or away from. Photo Peres not going to change much stay tuned for twenty twenty one for that extra debts it is. Exactly, where was I going with this? So. So you've got these plants that they're asleep so. oftentimes. I would go out there. Once those plants are dormant even into early. On November when I got a lovely warm day like it would be bright sunny where the ground temperature is. You know from all that incident solar radiation is is warm. It's like probably seventy seventy five degrees plants that are still green the weeds. Herbicide time. Your plants are sleep. And so I would go right over the top of the mound with a broad spectrum herbicide and people like what like what roundup? Yup like life site hit those perennial weeds that are still green photos synthesizing and you have you have to they have to be photo synthesizing and not dormant in order for for life sight to really work but I would do that. Almost every year where I needed to it made mice spring we'd load so much lower. By doing that, the the ones that had to be careful with were fissile for me. That was my. Always my just. Bane and I'd have to use a different herbicide on that just because glyphosate wouldn't touch it. But yeah, absolutely I would say right over my mouth once those plants are asleep. And with absolutely no ill-effects. Now. That was because I knew my dormancy period was that the plants were asleep friends that are in the southern part of the states or in warmer climes or they don't get so cold that they never really go dormant. You'd better damn careful when you're doing that. To the Point Union some of our friends in Australia would be very careful about spraying herbicide over mounds that plants that you're not sure whether they actually achieved dormancy or not. Because you could see some damage. So you you heard here. To do it do it carefully? That's that that's interesting and the. Yeah, the timing on that you're you're better off waiting longer to do that. If you can if you can't yeah if you can even a few get down into temperatures that are it doesn't have to snow for those plants right to be cold enough to go outside. You know it can. It can get into the just even into the forties Fahrenheit and you know what was that? Twelve. See Tennessee. To be just fine. You know that's enough for for dormancy to occur that takes my take little longer but then you also are more likely one year low temperatures are that high if that make sense, you're more likely to have actively synthesizing perennial weeds anyway through that period so. Welcome, and it's one of those things I think that you you're just not gonNA know how effective it is until you have a season where you don't do it. Yep. Exactly, and and even this year with the number of people that said, Oh, my God James, we tried the the pre emergent and why didn't I do this before You know for in the spring and it's the same thing with always we'd treatment people like all, my Lord, why didn't I do this for? While probably because you're afraid you're gonNA hurt your plants it's easier. It's a recent. It's an absolutely reasonable fear but it's like Even, if you're going to spot spray, do it now. At that point not like right now it's still too early but but certainly in in that October November timeframe. Now, there's folks up in the to US Canada. They're like, yeah, right I'm GonNa snow on the ground. at that point well, you're Kinda screwed done. Sorry. I can't. What do you want me to say I can't. Yeah it's GonNa get to cold too quick and that that treatments not likely to work well for you. Sprain you probably probably option but that's good. We control The other thing too that I see people do is if they're gonNA weed control in the fall for for healing up in throwing soil up over onto their mounds. Stirring up weed seeds when you do that. But if you do it late enough they're going to germinate and then get wacked by the winter. And they're not going to be able to to survive. So that's also a pretty good weed control because he'd go if you didn't do that and let's say you're gonNA hill up in the spring, you're going to stir up all those weeds but now. There's nothing gonNA knock him back. Not No temperatures going to knock him back. Really. So they're going to get established. So not a bad idea, the hill up in the fall if you can do that or if that's part of your your maintenance mechanism. Some of our friends in really wet climates and certainly warmer climates like Virginia. Carolina's one not. You gotta be careful doing that because certainly you get a lot of rain in the winter and. That excess moisture. In the soil in over a buried crown like that can actually cause crown rot whereas friends further north and certainly further south where you use ear into the more temperate regions. Shouldn't have that problem. That's that's a lot to do. That's a lot to do and that's just weeds dude I mean people like I. Should I fertilize them shy put him to bed like it's not a lawn. Okay. You're not putting your winter feeding. We'd down okay I unless you have a nutrient deficiency that you have to correct I don't recommend fall feeding. Had, just. There's too much opportunity for leach over the winter although except. You just said I mean unless you knew deficiency if you're doing soil amendments now though. That's where I was going. Exactly. So you could be amending soil and even organic matter is fine. We'll James's fertilizer non talking compost on not necessarily talking about going out and putting 'em pk down you WANNA put fertilizer or compost down you WanNa, put manure down go ahead. You can do that but understand why you're doing it. Do you need it because? Well, you know, hey, it's good for the soil. Yeah. No. Not all the time it isn't. There were at least twice this year I was talking with some of our knowledgeable about that very fact, and you say, well, I'm going to spread this manure. Why? Well because, yeah. No, that's not an answer. I you know. Here's my nutrient analysis on my soil and this is what I need. Okay. And how do you know you're going to get that from the manure? While it's Manures shut up James. So it's the same thing here. You GotTa make sure that you know what you're putting on your field for the fall if it's full nitrogen which. You know certainly if you didn't separate the liquid from the solids. Than Yeah, it's going to be full of nitrogen, but you're not going to keep much of that nitrogen. It's GonNa Leach or or flash or things like that. You'RE GONNA keep out of nutrients. So if you're GONNA put on organic matter as a source of food. Know what's in it? If you're putting it on for organic matter like you've got a heavy soil or something like that perfect knock yourself out, get it on there or you have a really light soil sandy soil organic matter. Perfect. Now's the time to do that. or any. Other. Amendment if you've got a lime, you've got a sofer you do anything like that is a good time. Good good. Good good use of that. You know as we as we say in quotes off-season off quote off season, and then I would say people sometimes or at least me if you're if you've obsessive compulsive disorder like I do. You. See All those remnants stumps and binds sticking up there and you just have to go out and come off because otherwise you're not gonNA sleep night. Wait until they're completely dormant to do that. otherwise, you're going to be chewing up the crown. People. Like how do you do that, James. I don't have a big farm. I don't have. You know all this fancy equipment. You GotTa Lawnmower don't you? Set that blade all the way down and going scalp those grounds. Yeah. That's really all people do You know carpers as they call them where you see the What they call Carpet Hill method where you they'd go in and they cut the crown way down. It's like Horton this horizontal spinning saw blade in a sort of reforms, a mound behind it. But much lower. The they're doing that in the spring sort of the same thing but the reason they're doing it that way is because they've held up all season have to knock that soil hill back down otherwise their crowns never going to be able to push through it. But you do the same thing even with just lawnmower go up there once they're dormant and buzz off, get rid of it clean it all up for the next season. When we started in you, you mentioned scalping earlier and you said something to the effect of it's an invigorating activity and all I could think of was you with a huge smile on your face out there scouring grounds. Clarify that if they're if they're not dormant they will. Plant invigorating activity but I guess James Invigorating activity. Instagram picture of you with a ridiculous shitting ear to ear grin skipping through the field of the lawnmower. Degrading. scalping the crowns it's. So invigorating. And Farren. If most seasons I didn't get around to doing that till early spring just because we were Peleton's ING and. We would go right out of harvest into Palestinian and when we had our small mill, I mean, it would take us months. To Pella's if and we just didn't have the bandwidth so I would do it as early as I could in the spring before they got sloppy sometimes ground was still frozen. So so per our conversation a few weeks ago about. CONTRACT, Palestinian if you're sending your hops out to be. Elsewhere. You can spend every day calling your Peleton bugging them when they ready what are they really wanted they ready or can do some of this stuff to take your mind off it While that, it needs doing anyway. So just get out there and do it either done again those of us in the colder zones, there's only so much time we have to do field work because it's snow at some point. And usually a lot at that point you're not done I mean I've certainly done trellis work and whatnot in the winter snow on the ground it is not fun. So I would much rather do as much work as I need to get my farm in shape before that snow flies even if it's The same temperature but with no snow snow just makes everything that much harder to. Get it done. So that sounds good for that's a lot of work to get done, but it's all it and it's all preventative. It's to your to your point. It's all stuff that you. Could end up doing in the spring but man, oh, man isn't nice to get a ton of the fall. Oh Yeah. Absolutely it there's not enough time. In the spring for temperate zone, small scale hop growers just isn't. So if you're banking on that and you just want to be done. You'RE GONNA screw yourself next year. So Future. You is going to be very pissed off. because. Something's always going to go wrong and you're never gonNA have enough time. So do it now while you have the time? Easy. Yup. What else is there? That's plant stuff that's plants. So operate, we'll be talking about perations as well. Things you want to do that side effects yes. So. Fix stuff. Everything that broke. Fix It now don't wait because you I guarantee you at least one there's going to be one thing that you. Do that later, and then you forget about it. All went turn you go to use it next Ranier like sunup pitch. I guarantee it. Fix it now and if you don't know what needs fixing, make a list. You'll we talked about like you said Harvester and dryer clean up and all that kind of stuff but. You know things operationally. Blow Your Gatien. Lines. Out And some people take their irrigation lines in every every harvest year so they can do dirt work. On Hill up all that kind of stuff. But you know we never did that we didn't. We didn't use the mounting methods so. Get out there, blow your Gatien Lines, get the water out of them because inevitably you're going to have an issue with cracked pipes. And that really sucks the in the spring when you go to turn your system on and it's frigging geysers all over the place. But also get that get that all taken care of al allies with fixing stuff. I, would say organizing stuff we've talked before about the whole how many of this particular wrench did be by then rebuy and then rebuy only to find six of them under the table when it was time to finish clean up for the year ago I get get get your stuff back in order where needs to be I think you said you had someone who who helped the Harvester who had a peg board right there. Yep, and just just so when. It. Put back seeing aware it is. There's so much of that organizational work that needs to be done done just. So you can start spring fresh without spending arm and a leg on odds and ends. Yeah the and it will eat you alive at not just in money, but in time. Because you're like I was just that. I love going to the hardware store. Just it's my thing. But when you that fourth trip of the day? Three really really grinding gears. You've been there all your fault you didn't think ahead. We exactly you didn't think ahead and and one way it's twenty minutes I mean. So you make four trips you've burned up a third of your day right of productive time and s right during the best productive time to in Lob Times you have people waiting on you. Don't do it be smart. Don't be like James. If. You've ever been angry when you get home from the supermarket and you forgot the one thing or you get home in your told Oh we also needed X.. Yelm yet magnified that a few times. So yeah, Organiz him is a good idea blowing out your era, Gatien system and if you still got time. Like I said fixing stuff is always the thing that we do trellis work get that done. Now, that's one less than you'll have to do in the spring. And maybe next spring. You'll actually have time to focus on things like starting to hire Labor early and organizing your your farm operations for the year and monitoring for emergence and doing things that you seem to scramble to do every spring get an early start on it because you don't have to worry about. Having all those little extra things. That are just GonNa suck your time up like nobody's business those of us who are are processing. You're going to have a huge urge. To Jump Right, into that after harvest because you something about our linear brains just once all these steps done and I can relax. Franken politics when there's snow on the ground. Because that can be done then. Fall Clean Up I. Think is more important store you're hops for a little bit S. okay. Go do your fall cleanup do all that work then get to your pelleting, make the best use of your time. Yeah. That's that's an interesting point because it is counterintuitive and it's it's counter emotional. You just you your want to finish you what you want to get and you want to see those pellets and you want to see the packages and you want to get him the brewers hands. But. You're absolutely right. You do have certain times of the year that are more effectively used for certain things and yet. You're you're not penalizing outside. If you are we, we got another conversation we do. Things. Health Code Anyway. That's that's the quick rundown I mean it's not a a really intense topic rate in terms of science and all no. You GotTa be careful when you have to watch measure these things now no no let's plants go to sleep. Take care of the weeds take care of the dirt work. Use Your time wisely. do not. I would say if there's one thing you I do not want you to do is to fertilize. I. Just don't put fertilizer down because you think they need it because you know I'm to help them go to sleep. Don't do that. That actually can stir them up and wake them up a little bit and then you can get some some winter kill. Who's ever let their kid have sugar at ten o'clock at night that's. What you're doing pretty much. Yes. That's a very good analogy. Anyway. That's all I got on that topic. Yeah. Adam. I'm tired just thinking about it and yet it feels it. You know I I always am big on the organization side of things and use the word linear before there is a A book way of running a hop yard and it's you this and do this and they do this and do this and. Thinking about your yard more as a truly organic entity and also system that system. Thank you assistant and all the things that it needs. You need to think about the yard that way and and you can do things a little out of order like this. This is a good order but out of order to what your mind might think when you're only thinking about the hops yards into tool to give you hops and then move onto the next part of the process. The Yard needs its own tender love and care, and to your point put the hops aside for a bit storm in and make sure yards shape for next year. The thing that really gets a lot of row cropper's trouble when they go into hops is that they think about farming like their farming corn or beans an annual system where it is very linear No you don't do that with a specialty perennial crop. The things that you're doing now are going to affect the year and the year after that. So, you have to go into it thinking about it as a integrated system where you have lots of you know individual moving parts that all happen some of them happen linearly but they're all woven together and you can't separate them. You can't address one without the other. All right. There we go. Moving on. As as we as we talked earlier I'm like I. Don't think this is gonNA. Take the whole time. As I, looked down thirty, some five minutes later oops hope you name anything you wanted to talk about well. Just, a usual silly market things going on. So you had sent me an article about. I don't know if I don't know if oxymorons the return here but a talion style pills. Yeah and okay so I JUST Let's see. I'm looking for a good line here that that explains what they're doing here. Some brewers are experimenting with hops from. So usually pilsners or German or check pills nurse, and they have very specific flavor to them. Some rules are experimenting with hops from New Zealand or the US. Or elsewhere to lend richer or more fruity aromas or flavors. People. Yeah. You know my take on this. That's why I sent it to you because I'm like. I it's another way tart. Over hop beer. Then my opinion I, mean, I don't have a problem with saying I'm GonNa take a pills normal. And you pills Yeast Salata right and I'm going to dry hot topics are typically not dropped. Okay. I get that your take on a style. Maybe it's the obsession of humans with needing the label everything. So it's like now, I cannot die a identify with a over hot dry hop pills nurse called an Italian pills ner. I, don't I I don't I don't know how the Italians got dragged into this either. Because it has to with anything there. and. The funny thing is I mean you sent me this this article and I brief glance I said, oh it's about pills nurse. This must be another article about the classical styles coming back. And then I look at it and go Geez no just just like that that coach slush one we were talking about a few weeks ago where they took a perfectly good beer style and decided to muck with it and just just steal the name for no good reason I hold this Italian pills or thing in higher regard than pills in our culture slushy. But Culshaw, she just smacks to me of we got all this beer gonNA get rid of. So let's turn into something i. think the the this whole the the concept of you know dry hopping uphills in our with. American in New Zealand hops. Is is just another trend of the obsession with more you know got more. Nobody's done this before. Again going back to two Bruce, brothers right IPA's things. Brewers make when they're all out of good ideas. So now, we're going to take pills ner. That's light in Crisp and well-balanced, and we're going to drop it. And you know it's not a light hand they're gonNA. Drive up the hell out of Oh. Yeah and I feel bad for the consumer who gets talked into that because we always talked about our John and the wind the bar saying, Hey, if you liked that WPA try this pills of trust me trust me gotTa. Try this they try it. They like it. Then they go out somewhere to a restaurant and they're trying to pick a beer and they sell I'm going to have that pills nor I had the other day liked and they try and go. This is not what I what I liked. The pills or cal or something like that and they're like, Oh God what's wrong with this smells like they boiled hotdogs in it. Which depending on the restaurant they might have. They might. That's true. Very. True. I don't know I mean. I sent it to you more out of tongue in cheek I sent you that article but. You know it is also. This ingenuous I don't know when when all the weird styles were coming as though I. Kind of felt okay with with. Taking the brunt of having a carry all that weight. But now that now that they're going out into other styles, other traditional styles and messing with the names. It just bothers me it bothers me for that example I, just gave that folks that really don't know beer. And only know the VIP a method of learning how to drink, which is what's what I think. Our latest generation is growing up on unfortunately when when they're not busy vaping. Now you've got folks that really are never going to learn the difference between these proper beer styles because everything is just an over hopped mess, but they all are using the the nomenclature. But. Would they actually take the time to learn about those beer styles I mean is that is that what they're in it for but but they won't because the one time they try a pills and our after that pills or they're going to go this. You know this tastes like boyle talks. I duNNo. Aska. Yasushi has say about it we will we will. Be Like Jane.

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Matthew Flood Ferguson

Maltin On Movies

25:56 min | 1 year ago

Matthew Flood Ferguson

"Hi everybody we want to thank our sponsor legion 'em. They are a wonderful company we love working with them. You can go to their website, legion 'em. They're also on all the various socials they do really fun meet ups You can talk to directors you can become a part of the projects they choose. The even have a program right now where you can help them find great movies to support so. Go to their website to learn more. We also want to remind you that we have a patriotic that we call multi on. You can join us we have three dollars, five dollars, ten dollars, twenty dollar options. You can get newsletters from my dad all kinds of neat stuff behind the scenes hang out with. US, learn about who our guests are before anybody else and listened to the podcast before anybody else. Go Patriot dot com slash Multan on movies for more information that's Patriot dot com slash Maltin on movies. I'm Leonard, and I'm Jesse multi essential multi movies, and if you watch television at all and happened upon or made a beeline for Ryan Murphy's recent many series called Hollywood. You saw our guest work. In every floor, every frame of every episode, our guest is A. Very, very talented Matthew Flood Ferguson, and we're very happy to have your your the production designer on on the series. Yes. I am in. It's great to be here for having me. You have. I didn't watch. That aired or streamed on television this year I'm willing to say you made the most beautiful looking on my God sphere piece of the year Well, I, thank you very much. I appreciate that there were there were quite a few beautiful series that aired this year but I appreciate that It was a complete joining for me I I have grown up. Loving old Hollywood and old filmmakers. So win this job was offered to me it was really a dream come true and. I couldn't wait to just sink my teeth into the project and Start creating the look in building sets. Now. Now, you just said the keyword building, this S. The illusion that you create is that we are going to these actual locations that we're going to. Schwab's Pharmacy on Sunset Boulevard that we're going to the. Grand Entrance to an old movie studio that we're going to the elegant commissary of a movie studio. And, then we're going to. Dr Mel Elegant Commissary. So right there. On its own and. So the question is. How much did you find? That still was relatively intact if any of the locations you had you had to create and how much did you have to invent from scratch? I would say, maybe fifty fifty, there wasn't one practical location except for maybe one or two that we didn't have to augment or hide certain elements that were from the twenty. First Century. And then with a studios, the exterior is the iconic gates of paramount's Yep. But our interiors we completely built on sound stage. So. That was a look that we got to kind of play with a little bit. I mean kind of going back to the commissary did a lot of research on what the common series look like back in the forties, thirties and forties and kind of researched warner brothers are Ko. And paramount And we landed with kind of modeling our commissary after the paramount commissary with. The. Movie Star portraits line on the walls and the Great Light fixture that. Hangs above everyone as they eat But Jumping back from an into the practical locations I would say. The El Cabrillo Apartments, which is where we placed anime. Wong that is pretty much intact. The interior we changed, and we my set decorator Melissa licked. We you know dressed it to look more period appropriate for her but the actual architecture fortunately looks pretty much like what you sell. What about that? Rarely high end filling station. Or so much is acting takes place. Starting dowers famous Richfield. Gas Station. So, our character Ernie West sort of loosely based on. Scotty bowers. Apparently had this great filling station on Hollywood boulevard was a old richfield station So we searched all over to try to find a location that we use, and we found a place that was in atwater village. Had once been a Richfield gas station. So retained some of the great architectural elements but over the years, it had kind of fallen into disrepair painted blue and white, and it was being operated as a tire muffler shop. So we ended up taking that over and completely redoing it. We put in new garage doors we added another overhang we custom. Gas Pumps built the NEON WE asphalted. Cleanest looking filling station you've ever. Live? Off The floor you know. For me I grew up because my dad worked at paramount most of my life watching this was such a joy in equipment and it really did it made me made me feel at home and also just Patti lupone doing anything makes me happy. She was so great to work with I. Mean everybody was really great and it was a real. Jewelry but Patty was wonderful and. Known. I would drive to work listening to Vida. I mean every morning how could I not? And I don't get to. That, much with. The Dude. If you know make sure their environment still right for them in all of that but I'm always either ahead or behind. In working. Near the end when we were shooting the interior of the Kademi awards I saw her come on into the theater and she was like walking around and looking around and she seemed very comfortable and I I went to her and I said you must feel at home in in this environment she's like I do. And I got to tell her you know that it was a real thrill for me to work. On a project. That's nice. That's that's a reward that you earned. Yeah, correct and she was gracious. Going back to the paramount commissary. One thing that I was really excited that we were ultimately able to do was work a deal with getting images and. Get all this sort of old code chrome portraits of the film. Stars. That hung on the walls and. A researcher and I went through you know image after image after image and. It was great to be able to get those and have them framed and put him on the wall. I love it. Now, one of the one of the miracles had the old Bradbury building downtown is the Oval Office Building, which is a another of La's treasures not as well known as the bradberry and not as often photograph it is. It is a jam. It is a true Jim. It is it is. You don't reuse the penthouse suite, which is where. James Lovie lived for a while and he referred to it as the cabin in the sky. And the architecture is so wonderful. This great sort of hybrid of Romanesque Art Deco and it was built. Around nineteen twenty eight. So, when we scouted it, I went with my location edge I fell in love with it and I fell in love with the penthouse suite. But there was only one teeny little elevator for access to the room. It was it was tricky getting everything up everything down, but we did it. We'll see that's the thing again. When you're the good and bad when you're on a set that you create on a sound stage inner, it's easy. I say that it's a lot of work but but you can build an maneuver however, you want to when you use a practical location. You're dealing with whatever it is that they have. So on the one hand, you get this phenomenon building on the other hand you now have to get things into aforementioned phenomenal building. Correct it's you know the thing with with construction builds on stage. It's one of because you can't control the limitations that you get with shooting in the real world just like you mentioned but being show about the golden age of Hollywood and of course, it was script driven. It was just too good not to show La Corden able to kind of reference on some architectural movements that were happening in the early part of the twentieth century because everybody was flocking Hollywood to make a big. Yeah. Let I WANNA go back for just a moment in your career. You know when did you start doing this? While I. Started as a PA many years ago in the early nineties and started kind of learning about the craft and Vinci started work in the art department and worked as a buyer, and then as a set decorator for many years. and. I was working with a production designer that I've worked with over the years Judy, Becker who I love working with, and she had to leave a project we on a another Netflix. Limited series called Rachid which comes out in. Looking forward to that one. Yeah. That that that was that was a fun project. And she had to leave to go onto another project and I sort of stepped in and took over, and then after that Ryan asked me to do Hollywood's so I'm actually my first job as a production designer on a limited series. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Figured into latest, you get an emmy nomination and a lot of accolades for your first official production design Gig. Good in summer bigger. Thank you. Well thank you very much it just. Curious commercial. You did a whole series now. I Don hundred commercials. and. I'm here you have mcnabb. Say I. Don't I. It cut me off when I was working as a Pierre worked on a film called fearless, which was directed by Peter. We're young learned. He was phenomenal as a director and I really am. He got everybody to he got everyone involved and everyone at one moment or another they were. It was all about that position or that the grip that craft service that everybod-. and. I. Just I. Kind of took that and I. Think it's a great way to to work and to. Yes. I happen to love that film and the image of the. Recently crashed airplane. With all the the trail of treatise. Is An image that is burned in my consciousness. Yes. Much work that was involved that was down, we did that in in. Bakersfield. In a Cornfield in Bakersfield and end the opening, there's a sequence where you see that image and then you see just debris and there's a scene where champagne bottles rolling across the. Road and I I roll that Champagne. Shot that'll be back glennbeck Peter we're getting everybody involved here was is. A and I got to do it and it was my little moment. Yes. But you went and he wants to do it right and I wanted to do. And that is that is point and that is why Peter such a fine director because eat instill that feeling in you as much as he would in his actors or Is is cinematographer are other key personnel if everybody working on a movie isn't working on the same movie with the same degree of commitment is not going to be the movie could be. Correct Correct. Now, who makes who makes the decisions and I know a lot of this is financial but who makes the decision ultimately about whether you're going to dress location Or build a set. When you have the option. Where you're trying to recreate a period. Well you know it is sometimes script driven and with you know when we had our initial concept meeting with Ryan Ryan went through and talked about the permanent sets that we would build that we have on stage and we knew obviously Schwab's is a permanent set because it doesn't exist right? The Interior Jack's apartments that was a permanent set. Interior of the Beverly Hills Bungalow build so. In that situation Part of it was they didn't exist. The other part is to build it to be able to create our look and control it, and also have a place for the company to land, go and be able to shoot and continue shooting and making the series while we're scouting final locations. Sure. I don't know if that fully answered your question like it does he he figured out what he needed to be in one place all the time. To keep things moving so that you could be mobile when you need it to be. Correct and It was very clear from the beginning the interior of a studios. All of that would be build on stage. You know back in the Golden, age they were the five major studios everything within the walls Jamaica film everything to make a film would be inside the walls of the studio. So we knew we would be building starlet classroom be commissary the offices the conference during the screening room. So. What and for someone who loves old Hollywood is you do what? What an opportunity yeah. Absolutely I mean. With the the hair and makeup sweet, there's a quick sorta montage or the two young stars are getting ready and you seem kinda going through the works. I reference the nineteen fifty chewed version of a star is born and there's a sequence when Judy Garland city and got this big magnifying glass and. What are we going to do with her? How are we gonNA make her look right and. I couldn't help it have fun with that Oh. Yeah. And in the interior of the screening room although ours is a bit more glamorous and I think the more architectural I referenced the bad and the beautiful. Ran caster Atlanta Turner in Rugova's. Excuse me yes douglas. Is His wheelhouse Grad. Now. Much this one. I said wrong name Even helps we do it every day. So you're fine. Mayo arm. No fell okay especially since. The purpose of describing something. Wonderful. Your. Visa. Not. Go ahead, rutgers is GonNa say you know and then you know with the bill of Schwab's which you know was such as conic place absolutely has so much history to it There was definitely have said this before a certain amount of pressure to be able to Make it as historically. Correct. We could you know and. I thought kind of real responsibility with that that set in particular. Sure. There's so much a wonderful sort of Hollywood folklore about it in the two the two phone booths in the back where you know agents and people could calling yell across the rooms. Had I. Think we got you a roll over here in Marin. I sort of read. Gossip columnist for photos play magazine. I. Think His name is Sydney SC allow Sqi. He had an an article that he wrote from Schwab's called from a stool Schwab's. And so I I just I really enjoyed learning about that as we were you know sure making a show will you're you're in Hollywood recreating Hollywood erect you know and that's What I thought. When they had that montage of of the Women Getting Ready, I thought the Max Factor Museum. And that downstairs they have the different rooms, the Brunettes, the blonde redhead's. And I, it really was a joy. It was a joy to see all of these places we love architecture. Obviously, we love history and smooth. It's such fun to see these places brought to life. Is, there I mean this this may be an unfair question. What is there one? SET, or location that you're proudest out all the. Pieces, you've put together to this show I I love them all I I am very proud of Schwab's. And I love the commissary And the locations I, do like anime Wong's. Cabrillo on that was actually commissioned to be built by CCD nil back in the early twenties to house his actors that came in from out of state to work for him. So I it's down to below. Whitley. Heights. which was. The place all the sound that film stars used to live. On that location. And do like Henry Wilson's house, which was our early modernists, Rudolph Schindler House from Nineteen thirty. Four. So I like them all. Honestly, what's not to like that's the that's the fun part and truly you know living in L. A., we are surrounded by history and and again that's why it's fun to see it brought to life. You don't get Jackson apartment I I the interior which we built on stage. The exterior is an apartment building down below Whitley Heights as well. on Whitley in Hollywood Boulevard the interior, we built on stage and I couldn't help it referenced films like Joe Gillis's apartment you are with the sort of thick heavy plaster walls and a little architectural detail in the pass throughs and on. Joan Bennett's believe it or not Joan Bennett's wallpaper. I. Shouldn't say this is like my giveaway Joan Bennett's wallpaper in Fritz Lang's film scarlet street, which is this old vintage. You know at the time it wasn't but so I kind of started pulling these images that I had in my head there were curtains in. Kisa death this. Film Newark. With Richard. Wind mark we goes to visit. this elderly woman who ultimately he kills and she has this very modest interior with separate room and it's only separated by curtains. And honesty that set Jackson apartment started with the curtains and then we've built around that on. Well, how procreate bit you would you would select old movies to. Inspire and inform you. And that's what makes it look real. You know it doesn't feel like it. It shouldn't feel fake. It shouldn't feel like a movie set in that sense it should just fit obviously that's where them all having the hair and the wardrobe. Pieces. Come together. You put the narrative just looks real but but you you did a beautiful job and as I say congratulations thank you so much, China. Is Bit. Thank you. It's been a a real thrill for for all of us and it was a true collaboration. Really everybody. The set decorator, the art directors set designers, all of us we all everybody just pitched in. So it's Isn't that lovely to though isn't it? Nice when you guys can work together understanding that that's how it happens. This absolutely is great. And You know we all everyone you start to get into a groove and we all did and it was just like, okay. This is scripts would come in. We'd have to kind of move quickly at times we are young. So we started to kind of speak the same language. In terms of our look at our goal I mean, it was definitely a color Palette that was set by Ryan George. He wanted a very golden harvest homes. So we took that and with my lead painter, Dan Tanger, he and I went through in started creating different colors to kind of work from. And then we carry those throughout the whole show pretty much kind of keep a similar look at. Real. Quickly just. So people get a sense because you've mentioned your painter you're set decorator just for a moment if you could list off a few of those people that work under you because you have this, you know. It's your world and then you fill it with the people who have to bring it to life. Absolutely yes. So you know I work very closely with the art director Mark Taylor. He's fantastic. We had a great time and. My set decorator was Melissa, licked and believe it or not. This was her first job decorating. Mile. Trial by fire. Eight. But she did we had a great time and she did a wonderful job. And then we had to set designers at worked throughout the run of the show, Jan Angle and Carol Bentley. They were both fantastic they're talented My Lead Painter, Dan Tangier was great and came up with a lot of great ideas for color. And our construction coordinator Steve Howard. I mean everybody just really. As I say is some people are not as familiar with all of these. When you say something like lead painter, it's like, yeah, because there's a lead painter, there's stress there. Every single Entire Construct Construction Department in. Paint Department an with graphics. had a great graphic designer. Her name is Hilary amant. Event and she and I worked very closely in creating the in everything but with the poster for mic. That's Damore this person. Show. And we modeled it after the nineteen forties. Women's pictures like now, voyager. You are truly speaking my dad's language in every possible way. Seeking our love to go have lunch with you. 'cause I keep talking about this. When when we're not all stuck in this science fiction film that is our life right now. We will make that happen. I would love that that'd be great. I live. Great. That'd be a matthews. Thank you so much for giving us time today. As has been relations. Thank you so much for having me. This has been a real treat appreciated. Of course, you take care and be safe, and hopefully we'll see you soon. That sounds great. Thank you so much, I. Today's episode of Maltin on movies is brought to you by Legion m the world's first fan owned entertainment. Company. If you love movies as much as we do why not own a piece of them find out more at www dot legion m dot com.

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Ep 190: Are you turning your remote work environment into a surveillance state?

Hacking Your Leadership

20:18 min | 1 year ago

Ep 190: Are you turning your remote work environment into a surveillance state?

"Hey everyone the are currently in the process of CO authoring our next leadership book and we loved include you in the process so the right now or directly after this episode. If you wouldn't mind taking about thirty seconds going to hacking your leadership dot com forward slash survey and answering the questions you see there. We greatly appreciate it again. That's hacking leadership dot com slash survey and the whole thing will take you about thirty seconds. No Role Place. Just real quick. Lorenzo share four decades of combined experience to help you become a more effective leader. We've never really as a workforce spent a lot of time on making sure. What developing good leaders? We'll be able to share stories experience of mistakes Failures successes packing your leadership welcomed hacking your leadership. I'm Chris I'm Lorenzo and the Renzo on this episode. I want to talk about an article that you actually sent me a couple days ago that I thought was really worth talking about I'm GonNa read the title the article and then I want to know why you sent it to me. This is a Washington Post article and it's called managers turned to surveillance software and always on Webcams to ensure employees are really working from home. And when I read this I thought that's interesting. I wonder why people would start doing that. I've never experienced that Have you experienced this in your life? I mean what what stood out to you about why you wanted to send this to me. Oh yeah I I thought it was like an onion article Bait right now. It's like you gotta be kidding. Me and I was expecting to see like you know the guy at home with no pants on and like shirt teen surveillance cameras and all that type of stuff and then started reading it and I go. Oh my Kavak. This is real. People are actually doing this And and I couldn't believe it so I was like well first of all I need to send it to you and I think my caption was like Monday question. Mark like we need to talk about this and I think the the thing that most got me within article was something that somebody said about being like just how demoralizing it could be when you think about having worked for an organization or a company for maybe many many years and have a very reliable great track record. And you know. And they're just treating you like now that you're home you must be just sitting back and watching Oprah and drinking beer and not working and like all you know all the things that are said in that type of kind of excessive overreaching. Micro-management is really just a slap in the face to people and I was like you know we need to talk about this because I think that it's something that even if it's not so much as you have an always on Webcam you know you're at risk of as a leader just annoying people to the point where it's like. You don't believe them that they're doing their work. So I thought it'd be great dialogue for us to have and just think about it from your perspective of. Are you hearing this? Are you seeing this in you know? Is this something that we should be. Even it's sad to laugh at but it's something to talk about Go back a minute here. Oprah and beer do you have an always on. Webcam in my house like how do you know that that's what I do all day? Yeah well I mean that's the that's the whole point now right we actually. We do have webcams in our house. Right now. Yes but not always on at least not that. I knew so one of the things that stuck out at me and it happens in the very first paragraph of the article is the the marketing director this company. The in their words decided to replicate the office experience entirely online. And that's the first thing that grabbed me because when when I look at the office experience versus the work from home experience there are real positives and real negatives to both there. There isn't anyone who says. Oh this is one of those. Two environments is far superior to the other. Anybody says that is being disingenuous. Or they don't know what they're talking about. The the the people who say the office environment is way better. They don't have a personal life to balance with and they don't care the people who say oh the home. Life is far better in every regard. I to me. Those people are not good collaborators. They don't know about teamwork they don't know about shared goals you so there isn't a clear cut one size fits all the places that I know. Who Do this? Right are ones that? Don't try to replicate the office experience entirely online. And they also don't try to eliminate the office experience entirely either and so some of the positives that I get from an office. Experience are the one to five minute conversations that happen in the process of walking to the copier or the break room or to another office. And you meet somebody in the Hallway. Or you see somebody that you don't even spoke normally One of the things that when I worked for For best buy more than a decade ago. Now I had a an office in the in the corporate office in Richfield Minnesota and the way that they orchestrated the corporate office was so genius in that there were four different buildings. That all. Have this kind of central hub in the middle and because you could schedule meetings at any building. It forced you to walk through the central hub to go from one building to another. I got more work done and I made more relationships and more friendships and more partnerships and be had more doors open for me in the process of those walks from one building to another that. I decided to start ticking anytime I had between my meetings. Sitting at one of the tables in that section is opposed to at my desk because I felt like I got more out of Jesse Interaction. That's what an office environment is from a positive standpoint and then the positive sample of working from home is the ability to kind of kind of custom tailor. Your work life around your personal life as well and get everything done. So replicating the office experience entirely. Sounds to me like we're GONNA but from home sounds to me like we're going to eliminate all the good stuff that comes from working with together with the team in an office but we're going to maintain all the things that you hate about going to the office like I'm replicate which means I'm going to watch you all the time right so select like this. Is that really what you do all day? Like like is is the office like the ability for you as that leader to just stand there and watch everybody do their work and keep an eye on things like are you valuing your people based upon their physical being of. I'm at my desk. I'm in front of a computer. You know For many people in the feedback that we've guide listening to our podcast while they're working at their cubicle. Like yeah is there is there value in that and I think that you know you brought this up. maybe a week or two ago just like the kind of the Post Corona virus and like. What are the things that that that may be can take away from the situation and the idea that people can be very productive in an work from home and figure those things out I think is absolutely spot on in? I think it's just sad to think that there are organizations in will people in organizations that would default to this type of concern of we have to watch them at all time like we have to watch people. We can't trust our people and then I think about you. Know the the what that means from a cultural standpoint And what that means from a loyalty in a tenure stamp point again. I think that the the article makes a great point of just the idea of just how disrespectful that is like I guarantee you that I. I don't know that there are levels of leadership where a CEO is saying. I want a camera on every one of my executives right in the executives. I WANNA camera on every one of my kind of you know maybe mid-level manager and then it cascades it's way down what that sounds like to me is that there are leaders in the middle level that are just absolutely in a position of power and not in a position of empowerment in regards to how they treat their people and this is just some of the bleed over. I would hope that this is a small percentage of what people are having to go through in this current situation from a work for home. Stand Point I've read one article on it and is the only one I've read so far but that's my hope. Is that this kind of a one off and maybe there are just a few individuals out there that are causing this to happen. Yeah the article implies that some people believe this is the future of remote work and I you know from first of all. I don't see how that is the case I go to an office then feel like I was being watched in my home. That's first of all And number two. If it's the future of remote work they must be talking about from validation standpoint meaning. No one's going to be sitting there watching you but if there's all of a sudden you know you're not turning things in on time or you're not getting your there's been a reduction in your productivity or your ability to get work done now they go back and spend countless hours watching what you did all day to see if you actually work. That's kind of more like a you know. Let's validate going backward as opposed to watching you all the time kind of thing. That's usually how things like that work but still the idea that I have to kind of put on this kind of face every time. I'm sitting down at my desk from a standpoint of just how I sit you know am I slouching? My setting up straight AM I. Am I looking for a correctly as lighting right? Like all these things that you don't have to worry about when you're when you're working from home The the person who said they tried to replicate the office environment completely a quote they gave his. We have no shyness now. At this point it's weirdly brought us a little closer together and I read that and I thought yeah closer together like when I was twenty one and my spring break was a family vacation. You know it's like yeah that's those are the people I want to be closer together with is being forced to drive cross country in a car. When I'd rather be with my college friends. You know that. That's kind of the closer together that I see here when I hear that meaning if the culture is such already that you are that close with your team then whatever happens will naturally happen anyway. People who are close together people who are a team who loved that Camaraderie who WanNa be part of that team and who love. Love the closeness of that team. They don't need to have software monitoring them to make sure that they are closer together. They find ways of communicating. Anything that has to be forced. I heard a politician once. Said if your idea is great people steal it from you. You don't need to legislate it into existence like you don't have to force anybody to do things. That is a good idea already. And this is what I see here. You're forcing somebody to do. Something at that. Point by definition is almost always a bad idea. Yeah a great point and I think too. It's like I think the balance here. Oh I think it was causing. This is is twofold. I think number one. It's bad leaders. Who are looking for ways to validate their time. You know as opposed to an office where that leader might be able to sit at a desk or close their door or you know be able to twiddle their thumbs or do what they wanna do and then just people assume that they're working now. They are also in a space where they have to prove invalidated that they're not at home so that kind of projecting what they would rather be doing on onto their people and they want to you know kind of valid and follow up with that stuff and it's also like if you're if you're not in the space as a leader where you're thinking about inspiration and empowerment and you know providing people the opportunity to use their time wisely and figure types of things out then like. I don't know how else you I guess you have to have to measure your value in your own. Success is just annoying people to the point where you can catch somebody doing something wrong. I guess but I also think that what you said about the software piece though too is like there are easier less intrusive ways to validate whether people are on a computer getting work done if that is what they're supposed to be doing like. I suppose there's software that's out there to understand like when you log in what are you doing. Are you on. The right sites is work. Getting done ways that you can systematically create that where you can validate that people are being productive and as a matter of fact in a in a very transparent way you could. You could show them. You can have that on their computer to show them that they're being productive that they're being tracked and and it is what it is. I guess maybe it's maybe some industries where the work that's being done isn't so intensive that you're like a programmer you know just typing away Like you'd think of in a in a in a computer hacker movie whether just Click Click. Click away for hours. But maybe there's work that needs to be done but it can also be done at your own pace. I just I think from a cultural standpoint is something that just damages the trust. And I think it's something that shows people. And really highlights the enact inadequacies of leaders. That are not you know a comfortable in that space. And they're not leading people appropriately. I think this this whole pandemic is it can be a watershed moment for how work from home and work. Life balance happens in the future if both employees and leaders take responsibility for ensuring it becomes that meaning. If you start from the standpoint of I'm GONNA install software to monitor when people are doing. There's virtually no way. Those people aren't going back to an office when this is over weight. Like those managers have Have already basically cemented in place that this is. What's important to them? And the moment it becomes the were able to go back to the office. The teams that have the software. They're going back to an office. Believe me if each of those entities though leaders an employee's and some people are part of both teams. Some people are both a leader an-and employees depending on where you where you fall in organizations you have a tremendous opportunity to show how productive you can be in a work from home environment. I'm talking about without this software. Forget the One offs of people who have this kind of software just to be able to say. Look at what I can get done when you don't have your thumb on me. Look at what I can get done when. I'm not sitting in a cubicle all day long or whatever whatever it is that I go and then leaders have a tremendous ability to be able to say I trust you what what says. I trust you more to your employees than to say. Hey you know what you reach out to me if you have a question on something. This is what you know. What your work is. You know what it's do by you know when these projects are Dubai go work with your Co Workers. Go collaborate get this done. I'm here for you when you need me if you don't reach out. I'm going to assume you don't need me all recharge you periodically. I'll make sure you know that I'm here for you. But at the end of the day you have to get this done. And if both of those entities do those things correctly you can end up with companies that save millions and millions and millions of dollars in overhead from the commercial real estate space. They Rent Utilities. They put together. And you could turn this whole thing into kind of like a You know you you rent office space once a week for a meeting and then you go back to what you do or meet at a restaurant and then go back to what you were doing. There's so many ways this can change for the better. All of how we work where you get to take all the good of working from home but not lose all the good of collaborating in an office but it's GonNa take a lot of responsibility and a lot of commitment from both of those groups of people agree. I think that there's two things about it that number one. This is not new. There are companies organizations and complete industries. That people work from home. So it's not like we have to recreate the wheel here does not like. Oh my gosh. Now that more people have to do it because of you know this current situation that now we have to recreate how this actually works like there are very high levels of success will work from home environment but I also think to your point that is very limiting when when you whether your work from home or in an office or you know whatever your work environment looks like when you start micromanaging at that level when you start doing things that show that you don't have trust in your people to get work done. What is happening is that their output is just the minimum expectation. They're like all right. Well if this what you want me to do and you're GonNa Watch every move that I make. I would just get it done how you want done when you want it done. And that's all I'm going to do when you give people the space and the trust and the empowerment to say. Hey this is what we're looking for. This is the expectation it's got to be done by this day. I know you can do it. And what you just said. Let me know how it can help and support you. What ends up happening is people in my experience. Start to innovate. They start to challenge themselves to not only do what's being asked but find a more efficient way to do it. They start to do a little bit of extra work. They all the sudden now because they feel this feeling of trust like you know like. I'm being told that they trust me and I need to get this work done. They're kind of more self accountable to make sure that they're getting the work done. And it is done on time or early or a little bit extra versus doing exactly what? They're told done exactly how they needed to get it done. So I just think that you know in the long-term regardless of the situation home or office if you're continually fouling up your people to the point of annoyance with that really say that you don't trust them to get the work done I think that's just damages their ability to really ever meet or exceed their own potential high completely agree and would that it brings us to this. Episode's One minute pack though one minute okay for this episode Woman Hack. Here's what I want you to consider when you're in an environment like this where there's been a shift in expectations of how your team shows up specifically and kind of this work for home mode. You Really WanNa start in the element of trust right letting them know that you trust them. Tell them that that you trust to get the work done that. You're looking for them to not only accomplished the expectations but look to see if they can exceed the expectations. So that it's very clear what you're looking for as a leader and you're also letting them know that you're giving them the space to go out there and get the work done. Make sure that you have some scheduled elements of follow up. Don't let them know that. Say I want to check in once a week or every other week or every other day just to see how things are going if there's anything that you need for me so that they're also aware that there will be continuing checkup because again. That's not necessarily micromanaging. So much as it is making adjustments and learning this new behavior in a new space completely. And then finally. If you're finding were you have employees? That are not making the deadlines or they are not meeting the expectations in a pretty quick way. Then follow up with them more often and let them know that. That's what's going on. Say Hey as a result of the fact that I provided you with the trust and spacey. Get this work done. But it's not meeting expectations. I'm going to continue to follow up a little bit more often to make sure that you're getting your work. Done that level of transparency in dialogue with the team even if they're struggling with trying to figure out how they can get the work done in this new environment will at least give them the opportunity to talk with you explain themselves and maybe find a place in the middle where they can get the work done effectively while also balancing the other things that may be happening in their household. I think it's great woman hack and and this whole story reminds me a lot of things that we've talked about a couple of times on the show. Which is the idea of a metric becoming more important than a result. And this is what these these surveillance softwares in the always on webcams. This is what this screams to me. It says the the the metric of you working forty hours a week is more important than the result which is getting forty hours of work done a week. Different people work different in different paces. Different people have different responsibilities. I know that during this pandemic of the best work I've gotten done has been between the hours of nine. Pm and midnight when my kids are in bed? Because I'm not home schooling them when once they're in bed and so each person's going to have this Impact be impacted by this different way. Start BY FROM FROM. A standpoint of the result is more important than the metric. Don't let the metric don't get hung up on the metric and I think you can do some really great stuff between with the relationship between you and your employees. You got it at the end of this episode this leadership on the Renzo. And I'm Chris. We'll talk to you all next time.

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Episode 148: Red Bull X-Alps 2021, Gavin answers your questions!

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Episode 148: Red Bull X-Alps 2021, Gavin answers your questions!

"Welcome to another episode of the cloud. Base ma'am i am home in sun valley idaho. I'm were camping. The rest of the summer were rented our house. And so i'm sitting in a library so the sound might be not exactly what you're used to should be pretty good. The show was planning to release last wednesday. Which would have been on time. So i apologize for the delay here was with dylan benedetti. Who i'm speaking to actually in a little bit here today because when we submitted all the sound two miles per editing. It wasn't good enough. And i didn't realize that when we were recording it so having to redo that so again apologize for the delay. We were able to put out a couple of posts about an ask me anything show about this year's race while still refresh and got a ton of great question. So that's what we're going to fill this week with. And we'll get back to our regularly scheduled programing as soon as we get the still in show done before we get to that. A little bit of housekeeping. My friend stacy whitmore and their whole amazing team who runs. The monroe richfield in the red rocks flying has become the biggest event in north america by far and the had over five hundred participants last year during covid and awesome place to fly the september early october and this year we're adding high can fly and kind of based around the fly and tour races. Of course we don't have huts here in the states except a few in colorado. So we can't do that but we've got all the way points insured through chaba and ready to go and we will set the course like they do in the eiger. The morning of the event you got two categories the pro category in the adventure category. That time you're still really good for xy flying in that part of the world. It's absolutely beautiful. All the fall colors. You're out in this process to be a really cool race a race there really no qualifications except to be a licensed pilot be pretty fit in brief capable solo in the mountains. These are all unsupported. So there's no support teams. You can't have support team but you don't need. It will have supply stations at various waypoints and should be able to just do it on your own tonight three day. Race and for the pro category to be pro category is going to have as many as thirty participants and but to be in the pra category. You've got to have some pretty serious experience. So either you have raced in one. Big events like the boris to fly or berko dole. Meaty or worse the house. Or you've got to have really solid top planning skills and you could submit video to me and we'll go little Race committee that will go over that so and prize money. First timers are real prize. Money especially on the side of the pond is five thousand bucks for the winter. So nicknames is coming and griego is awfully common and bunch of others from the xl. So we're working on that law. Keep updating on that pretty fun it will be a lot more information available soon working on a new website. Hopefully but on some information available is available now on quadra. cu a. s. a. dot com so. Check it out in reach out to me. if you want. More information should be oblast this show. Yeah it's an ask me anything with yours truly just got home. This show. This race was properly scary. Oftentimes it was pretty wild. I know a lot of that was picked up on with the live tracking but a lot of it wasn't we were dealing with a lot of fern Wins that were similar to what we had in twenty fifteen which was my first but even scare a lot of firm when and a lot of thunderstorms unbelievable. Hail the kind of breaks windshields on cars and a lot of lightning and several fear injuries. That took people out of the race. And just yeah. It was intense. And so let me get into these in again while it's still fresh. Got some great questions. And i'll be happy to answer. Moore's they come in we. Just put this up few days ago. And i'm going to try to answer everybody. That sent me a message either through facebook or three email. Let's dig in a crazy race. Alon plattner asked the season. Actually this is a long one. I apologize my questions about the race for madame. It looks as if number pilots got injured or at close calls because of bad flying conditions. But it seems having no fly. Days makes no sense when the athletes are spread. All over the alps someone to ask your opinion change in the race format for example the root could be split into five segments started each segment as the end of the previous segment. At the end of each these two periods. All athletes are taken the start of the next segment at they. Don't make it to. The finish of a statement would get negative miles athlete to beyond the finish get positive miles at the beginning. The last fifth segment athletes who star based on their mile balance manage will be the athletes day closer together so no fly days would make more sense also could be more exciting for the athletes and the fans to ever balloon flight close together so we take this piece by piece the first is can they close it down in the answer really is now and because of that were just too spread out and the abilities are pretty close but you know what might be totally flyable for one person isn't for in miami for another and that's just a personal decision so in this race. This was the first time. I've ever seen a possible race closure and that was at the guys berg when we were down in the mozart platts gusting over fifty on the guys berg and christoph came to the athlete committee which is myself and tom dough and kriegel and said what are we gonna do about this. We have thirty. Two athletes at there actually wasn't thirty two because several people weren't able to make the start of this one due to kobe. But there's twenty eight or twenty nine and he's gonna be so much pressure in everybody's gonna launch in. It's not safe up there and we agreed. Kriegel came up with an answer that if the five minute average was over thirty k. An our They closed launch in. If it was below that then they'd open it by the time we got to the guy. Spur was the wind really backed off and it was a non issue but from then on we very very frequently flew in conditions. Way over fifty k. In our way way beyond recreational and obviously very dangerous and it did take few people out of the race for sure mostly with fear injuries. But you just wouldn't be able to mandate any kind of thing like that. It really has to be up to the the athlete the pilot in what they're feeling at the time in their own personal decisions in their own personal training so i don't think he mandate that s for switching The format of the race. This is actually something. Zoom has been discussing for years. They've they've also talked about this until this year kriegel always so far out in front that they've definitely talked about having it stages which keep everybody together making a lot more exciting for the fans. This one was obviously pretty exciting because until day seven till his breakout magic move. It was really tight win. Top ten economically. He was anybody's game until he had that amazing flight in that really strong self fern and covering a lot of ground when maxine and some of the others hardly anywhere that day so We'll get into that. There's more questions about that later on in the show but the problem is is you know forever and ever until twenty thirteen. I believe this race was whoever got there they leave it open for forty eight hours and then they changed it because that the race could potentially take seventeen eighteen days to get there and that's just impossible from the organizational standpoint and it's impossible from a team standpoint. You know many people have to get back to work so they changed it to just twelve days now. There are some weird rules if nobody gets there. In twelve days debuted open for another twenty four hours to get there late on the twelfth day they leave it open for twenty four hours. I'm not sure exactly how that goes. Adult rules on the website but basically twelve day race and if they do it in stages they'd have to knock off a bunch of distance which for various reasons they don't wanna do that Been linked to kind of keep making it harder longer every time because teams get better and faster so we're not sure you know that has been presented them the athlete committees present them. And you know it's kind of up in the air but for as for now. I don't really see that changing. But it's a great idea next question's from my friend philip becky. What happened in the first two days yet team. Usa had a really terrifically bad start and that was new for us. We've always had good starts in the other three races like to blame it on my physical condition. Although i certainly didn't feel that i was fine in the prologue the day before the prologue. I was still kind of hard time walking from the crash. That i had at the end of the may and it was kind of looking like i don't know but i felt fine in the prologue and i was fast at the top flu pretty well kind of blew it. I was in fourth leaving the start in the gaggle but it made a kind of a quick move luca and ended up eighth from the prologue which was five mills. Great kind of the only decent day of flying we had in the entire race. Actually yep felt fine from that standpoint in the beginning of the race up until about day. Six until i started taking antibiotics are still really fighting his bad flu that i had when i went over there and i can't say that it really affected me physically. I just was coughing up long cookies. Like you wouldn't believe all day and all night so that couldn't have been good and it certainly wants. The antibiotics kicked in it was kind of. Oh this is how you feel when you feel could so. But i didn't notice that that was affecting anything. It was basically just that nothing we did worked and it wasn't bad decision making necessarily it was just. I just wasn't making the moves in the air and every time we'd get to launch it just didn't work. I was just totally out of cycle with the sky and the sun and the aspect and From the very beginning you know when i launched and then launched seventh or eighth off the guys berg in everybody was together. Their base was really low. It was there was a ton of stratos serious that day and quite a bit of wind and when the first fleet laughed i was with with kriegel cruising around at the start there and when the first fleet left i was fifteen meters lower than everybody else in i just it was going to be a really slow struggling day and i didn't want to be impatient so i waited and then when the second fleet left same thing i was a little bit low and then the then there was many of us left manu and the oh and a few others some of them top landed and waited for better conditions. The on i almost bombed out which would have been terrible but we survived. And then we all menu and theo and i and michael ascher few others left and It was just struggle by then. There was more clouds so we kinda missed. Our best window made in twenty keen on course line most of us landing. Michael squeak through and And then we should. We fly not flashing. Some of the people in front of us at bob down in this pretty treated canyon anyway. Didn't work by the time. The oh and menu and i got to another launch. It was really windy. We made it work. We launched manu china totally different route which ended at work and better for him I you know the owner got decent glide down the valley. He decided to walk in. That was much. there's assume i decided race up and try to launch again before nine pm. And launched an tana headwind in almost went backwards of course line so that in workout and nothing did the next day either. The next day had eight flights in almost five thousand meters of sand and it was over a hundred degrees and In most of them were just sledders or just trying to survive. And so yeah. It didn't work force in the beginning. We sled way back on that. Of course makes it harder. 'cause you're working a lot harder and the third day was again pretty hot and we started getting the thunderstorms that afternoon. I'll get into contol. Did make a bunch of ground that day as we did in the subsequent days but you know by then the damage done so it was disappointing. It same time we knew as long race we knew other people would have airspace and make mistakes and bow out of the race and to some extent we re able to really claw back you know. I think we made made up ground on pre much. Everybody at kriegel for most of the rest of the race in sunday's were better than others but oh super proud of the effort and incredibly proud of the team. Everybody stayed wicked optimistic. We had a blast that was always. The goal was just half on income home safe and stick with the process in stick with our plan which we always did and sometimes it worked sometimes. Didn't alejandro so many things to comment on. Can you talk about airspace. And all the mess that went on with pilots bridging it or not and also about the issues with some pilots. Turn points on the prologue. When we tackle that i yeah. Airspace has really become a problem in this race. In the beginning they only really cared about the big ones. Ctr's of thing but complaints but because this race oh public. They've really got it here to airspace. And then now they just care about more and more all the parks areas. And i mean there was just hundreds hundred hundreds of airspaces and they were switching marinus right up until the start in is makes it really tough. You got update fly master. You'd have to your phone. You gotta stay on top some summer open some days and closed other days. You know like when. I went through The rhone valley the wings of the cpr. Seon airspace world could fly through them. Are there as they were closed for others. That's what theo head. I'm not sure if he had to cr one and wings but yeah it's just something you really gotta be on top of in. You really need someone on your team. If you're not really good at airspace. Like i'm not. You need something team like ravis. Who's really good and he could update my staff on the flight. He was constantly sending me new files before. I'd take off about stuff that i needed worry about and others that i didn't even remove so if you don't have that makes a pretty tricky. The other thing is having a great sending on your phone if you use something like fly sky high if you have you can have a side view. Which shows the airspace in front of you if you could be over it or under it So i've never had trouble with their space. I i've i've never had never had it on any of the races But many people did. And now it's just it's a huge bomber and it's a real mess in it's becoming harder and harder for the organization to handle also delivered to us in a timely fashion. Will we have to worry about doll. So it gets people every time in. Yeah it's a bummer. For sure but yeah. I don't see that really changing The the term point in the prologue what they continue to do an ethics committee incredibly vocal about this and hopefully this will not be the case in the future but they give us fifty meter cylinders and you know it the third turn point it. I spent fifteen hundred feet going up in a five meter. Climb trying to hit the damn thing and fifty miller ciller. I don't know why they do that. It's ridiculous i'm assuming they just are really spirits and We've asked them to change that. We've asked them to give us an inner speed section for the prolonged which they don't do and so the landing was just chaos because you got all these pilots really good that are trying to land as close as they can to the red bull. Ten thing that you gotta go through when the clock stops. Oh the anonyna- speed like they world cups. It'd be way safer and you wouldn't have a gallery. People all over the place i was. It was mayhem so hopefully that will change. there's no point in having. We had a fifty meter cylinder in the twenty seventeen race intrigue lov and it took me maybe thirty passes to try to hit. It sounds easy but you know a really struggling on a super stable day and you're barely surviving. You're trying to hit this thing in the air In your instruments are obviously there's lag time there Ridiculous that's all i can say. It doesn't work in. it needs to change. How did you keep motivation. I as with the bad weather the wrong decisions and finding yourself so much back. Could you also comment on. The gear has the superlight been taken too far with pilots having issues. we're flying wet glider. Should there be a minimum parachutes is so much deputy. These one my one motivation and struggle with too much for sure. It wasn't the start that we wanted but like you said it was. It's a long race. You know things are going to happen used. You'd have stabbed mystic. You put year in a training into it and way too early to bow out. And i knew from previous editions that i think it would have been really tough if this was my first race but i knew from previous editions that we know how to make moves and we would make moves and we just had to kind of keep our head in the grindstone and we had this kind of motivational signed. Thomas tarallo actually helped me with working within this winter upright in the van. You know one of the things on in his love the grind than so we just that just became what we did love grind keep grinding and it'll work out and you know we knew in the first couple of days that we were no longer going to be in contention for anything great but you know look at women. New did Us way back with me and he ended up six. So you know. I beat manu back in two thousand fifteen so i mean we're all have similar skills a lot of the guys that it'd be me this time i've beaten in the past. It's just how the race goes and cookie crumbles a lot different ways rate ways. And you've got to stay positive. And so i don't feel like i had a lot of trouble with that. You know for sure. It was really hot. I tune after three days. And i struggle with the heat and that was probably more of a hardening specially where you're just walking down the road and really busy roads that we'll want huge bridge. Actually walk on the railing and you know as three hundred foot drop off sprint wounds. Dangerous things had did wasn't imply of just walking on this thing with tons drafted going by so that kind of thing sucks but motivation-wise lost it superlight signing things yes of course it has In offline with tiny reserves the really high end the new horaces. This were all less than a kilo minds. One point three that khalidi pro which i really liked. But they don't have much protection and they're super flimsy and they're not very good when you're flying to liners which we all are now so yeah for sure taken too far but it adds up to metric tonnes when you add it over the course of the twelve thirteen days so it makes a huge difference kriegel pioneer and all that back in two thousand nine when he showed up. I i and i don't think it's going away. But it certainly. It's a warning to most pilots out there that you need. You should definitely be flying. She carry an extra two hundred grams and have a bigger reserve. I proved that when i crashed in a may i had one of my tiny mill excess reserves and had that been bigger. I probably wouldn't have hit nearly so hard. So yeah i mean you just have to choose. What's right for you and maybe not. Maybe not push that envelope too far. 'cause you know i think what is important is that it's all compromise and you're definitely compromising on on passive safety when he goes superlight stuff. The wet glider thing. Yeah this would be a bit of advice. For someone. Going into a race likeness. I had a second set of gear a complete set of gear so an extra backpack and extra wang. All in all. I had to do switch instruments in my helmet and i had a lean. Oh legitimate race kit now. I wasn't flying that second wing. It wasn't all logo up. But very often i was landing either in really wet grass or landing after a gun some rain in the sky. Luckily i was never in the sky in in a real proper day-lewis which some of the pilots were. You know i can just switch it out of the anka get to me. I could switch it out and have like had dry gear that i could carry that was legitimate and had all the stuff in it you know the flair and everything else and But it did have late in my wet glider in the my teen could try it all out so That was really key. I had backups. Everything exc- tracer y master flare wing harness. Everything backups for everything. So i could just switch it out. And that was that was really advantageous reserve size of comment and on sure. I mean you just don't want to push that too much better to carry the extra weight and have a proper reserve on in photos from you. It seems your backpack is too big to be comfortable way too far away from your back and back back. Those the core tells per type it was too big And that was my fault. I just like to be able to not have to be completely anal about packing my gear so big but it definitely could have been smaller but it was incredibly comfortable. It's an awesome back night. I really really loved it. From nadine i would be interested in how you perceive the risks of these. The risk of these events seems more and more pilots earn spouted the challenge the no flying conditions and think that anything is possible but it seems that most of the athletes take a very calculated risk. Where i'm what is the difference to recreational pilot. Yes i think we do take calculated risk but you also get in a crazy mindframe in this race and this race more than any of the others. I've been in the exception. A twenty fifteen. We did fly in tunnel win and it took a lot of people out on it. They don't report into this later. They don't really report on the bad side of things it's just a red bowl dictate but the you know. Tom almost died in two thousand. Fifteen tornado was helicoptered out. Six or seven people went down to injuries. Twenty seventeen was also another bad year so seems to be. We lose kind of twenty to thirty percent every time but this one was proper scary and i had a number of crashes. There's a film that will be out by the time this goes live. That has a bunch of those and Proper scary flying tunnel and this is just way again emphasizes enough way way way beyond anything recreational and and in my opinion beyond anything that most of us should be doing even excerpts pilots. An maybe with the exception agreed on maxime but paul. He doesn't seem to mind erin union. They don't seem to mind really extreme conditions. But it's vastly extreme and the of the stuff we we're flying. Ooh i was reagan flying the cane hour winds in pretty okay with it and some of the phone days were just tear mine and again pretty okay with it just laughing it off the whole day i had flying down from fish down the rhone. I had a monstrous tailwind and much win for the thermals. Even be thing even totally gray anyway. And i basically read sore down wrong I'd just plant myself onto one of the kind of north south facing ridges and wouldn't even need to turn. I just sit there to take the elevator up in it full bar until i couldn't hang on anymore and huck over the back and do it again. And again and again slope landed when was about to dump rain and hit out under a cow thing high and bauer later. I was back in the air and wasn't sunny but it was just was reigning anymore and kept going in. You know i would never certainly comfortably fly on a day like that home in most days. Were like that and so you know going around. Won't block was even worse a strong north day at so. Yeah it's extreme and it's definitely. I don't think you know that one day that kriegel had the big flight he was asked house flight wasn't he just said is bad or something. I mean it was like one word. It was just a hardest white. He'd ever had in his life. I'm sure he was pretty scared like he was catching awada collapses that's kriegel and he regularly trains sixty can our wind and stuff in the snow so i can't emphasize enough that this race year on year like the two thousand eighteen. We had no one. You can launch anywhere in the when there was quite a few thunderstorms and stuff but hardly any gust fronts. No wind no fern. And i think for many that that was their first year or just blown away by the difference the can have from one one race to the next for those who were contemplating doing the xl and competing in something like this. You just have to know that. That's what you're taking on and you have to be pretty good. Judging is this do. I have this move to i. Can i fly in these conditions. And like you said you do get in this crazy confident head space where you can handle it or you don't in lost a few people. I talk about that here in a bid to to fear injuries. And they're you know they're very real as far as calculated risk cat on how calculated it is i. I'd like to think we're all taking calculated risk but the end of the day. You know you hawker you don and tom doodo got to a few places really tall and decided it just wasn't flyable and what down and you know maybe some of the other pilots would have decided it was okay Certainly there have been quite a few times where probably wouldn't okay. Launched in in you know made a word. So yeah carnage. There were definitely a lot of carnage in this one like there has been in other high confli races and again. I think that's just what you've got you know that there hasn't been worse. Courage is just miss altamira merkel and knock on wood. That'll keep happening. But it doesn't seem like that's slightly secondly she. What did you do for nutrition this race. Mainly fat and proteins again. Yes to an extent. I really tried to stay with the protocol which is optimized fat metabolism. And i did for about the first five days real heavy on on protein. Real heavy on fat in a lot of food you know letting my body be the fuel instead of glycogen and carbs and for some reason this race. That just wound down. I found that my brain wasn't working very well. And when i switched that to i didn't really switch it consciously. I started screaming more Started eating these shoot bowls of oatmeal lots nuts butter and milk in the mornings and adding quite a bit more carbs more pasta economic thing in the evenings and just started eating tom more food. We didn't go that route in twenty nineteen of statement the off 'em throughout in this one. It just didn't seem to work as well and so we started. Adding more carbs in my brain started working better. I definitely started better and A lot of issues. I was having went away in. I wasn't having gi issues. That kind of thing but it was definitely suffering a little bit with brain fog and that cleared up in. So's basically combo in that. Were our create. The big difference in this race of the previous ones were my feet at an any feet problems i used the angie toe socks was smart rule outer others and it was really wet this year. So the dozen or so shoes had paid off because we were constantly switching and there were times where all the wet. But i'm us really very anal keeping my feet dry. And at one bad blister on one tower early on and even hurt and then that popped and kind of went away and dried up in the rest of the race. I was totally fine. So that worked. Great though is that was a huge a positive change previous offense. Jim furman chris. Brandt both asked pretty similar questions kind of combined him. What were some of the fear. Injuries that were encountered. I heard laura tennessee and some sort of incident and i don't theo dead but i missed the breakdown In disappointed that quarter with withdrew when it looked like. You might be eliminated when he could have just waited out. Clark so you have commented on that About cody will again. I know he's put out a post on facebook. mc yet but. I can comment on all this so yet. The physical injuries the i was kanuma. Well i the the reporting. So i said before the rebel is a dictate which i didn't understand intellectually after this race because i had seen question. Why are we seeing that stuff. It just seems so interesting. The appreciate him. And if you weren't following the actual athlete on their instagram. You didn't get any of that. And it's actually a dictator rebel. They don't they. Don't want anything bad bad out there why i don't know i can't really understand so totally wrong to me. But that's what they do. So i encourage you in future to follow the people you like on their instagram facebook. And you'll get more information but the first major injury was canada with the japanese pilot. We noticed that because suddenly his little guy went way. North in it ended at hospital. So i'm not sure if you own their he driven there but he had a leg injury and that's all i know i didn't get to see him at the awards afterwards. Luca and theo hit while luca didn't hit it but he spun his glider impounded hard To miss a cable up in class and pass the hit his in destroyed his glider and luckily was able to have another glider for him put together real quick and he was able to continue on. I can't comment. If he had a fear not probably not knowing deal that he needed a really good post about. He said it was the scariest thing that ever happened in his flying career. If not the best echo pilot in the world's best luca incredibly good pilot spun as glider and hit pretty hard. he was helicoptered out but then Just to be safe and he was okay and then he did the honor code thing which we all should do. If we're at the back he just sat down and waited. And so that was the day that codeine. I walked miami and Augie was had made a flight little ways at the ryan. And so we were all kind of in contention for. Blm eliminated next so he very kindly did what you're supposed to do which is just sit down. Because he was wasn't hurt enough that he wanted to keep going that he wasn't hurt enough that he that he wanted to continue so he was eliminated. And the next elimination was between cody myself lori and oggi. We were all kind of in the back. I had a really pretty good day in that south fern were creole. Made his big move on the other way Flying in an absolute tunnel end. Probably most win at ever flown in. And i had texted cody who we were up on the and pass together chosen. I think a little better decision that morning doing a couple of glides and then i top land in your band to get water in more stuff and just check in with him. And i talked to near a pilot who another pile recreational pilot wasn't gonna fly but he was just up there and psalms. I flew over landed. There was there was a road that the land rover could get up to us on and And he was looking at all the wind. Odds live win dobbs in an area in gusting over fifty at the peak tops. And you could see. South firm was just dumping in and i'm really quite a bit more terrifies offering than the northern kaz of previous experiences not in the race but just training in the alps and and i had to get up to the wrong to to get defeat. Daesh and that exposes mu. The internet pass where was in where she sat most of the day. And also the arroyo pass which is one of the major breaks that the south fern can come through so we really struggled with. Okay how do we get through your just walk. should i try to fly. Should i stay more north. Which is what we ended up doing and you'll see in l. a. Top landed on the snowfield up above three thousand meters kind of near engelberg near titlist. Which is where we were in the previous race. I knew that area and it was insanely rowdy But very beautiful and kind of cool eight. We made some great ground until i got to the pass above The grimsel which leads down to the marine airspace. And i couldn't get over the peaks their dump into the road which is what i was really hoping to. Every time i got about twenty five hundred the south firm slam me and lose the glider. And and i tried and tried and tried every time i go ahead of high just slamming and so i had land in the past and relaunched and then fly down towards the marine airspace which is really low and kind of got went underneath it. As far as i could land in and walk. I think from there almost thirty k. In the seventy five hundred feet to get up to the grimsel pass where ogi. Laurie flew later that afternoon. Got a little bit of jump on your head down to feast so it ended up working in terms of making a lot of ground. But it also meant. I was still in last and was going to be next on the chopping block. And that's when we the news. That the cody just dna. Aft and cody. I was that morning when i learned about the fifty hour winds. I texted him. Said hey buddy heads up. It's going to be really rowdy today. And you know we're we're kind of going the wrong way for this for this kind of condition and just be careful and he just text bags. I'm over it. I'm done and i didn't think to remind him that. Nowy don't don't just sit and hang out or just walker be safe and he'd had some pretty rowdy flights and just definitely was game over he as he wasn't into it i'd caught up with him at santa's the day before and we had a nice flight together. And you just tell you just eat. His head wasn't in the game anymore. And which is totally understandable smith. Considering the some of the stuff that he'd been flying he'd been having a really good race but that was just over it. And i think he just lost the plot. You know that's connie honor co that's what you do you to sit down and you become the next one eliminated if he hadn't done what he did and feel wouldn't have been eliminated in a couple of days in the end. It didn't affect me. But i certainly thought at the time it would and i was pretty bombed and very vocal with him and he put out something on instagram. That wasn't very polite But yeah we raw bombed and then it turned out that lori. a dancer. the rest of this question laurie. Few days earlier. Going into their moose. She signed the board and she was having a really good race. went up. launched an sounds like pretty proper thunderstorm and a lot of rain in her wing went pair shooting and she was right over. High-tension powerlines in through reserve. And luckily that worked put her in the trees instead of the power lines but then it took quite a while to get her out. Get a rescued. She went back up. I i heard three times. I never got to ask you this personally and know if it was twice or three times and bombed out and just didn't get anywhere and so had about the roughest day possibly could more reason insanely good pilot really good world cup pilot and like i said was having a great race and super inspiring in just free as dead with cody and so when i was kind of on the chopping block couple of days later going into fee she was going to be the next morning was the elimination or amora. Remember she and oggi were a little bit hatemi and she sent me a text. Is i was taking these little glides down the gums down to get down a fish early early in the morning That i didn't have to race anymore. That she was just consent in waited out so she did the most. Do connie honor code thing which we all know to do and that was very kind of her. I caught up with her. Fi shows a couple of k. Behind her at that point signed the board. We had a nice hug. And yeah i think that was a very good decision that she made. It was didn't get any better got rowdy. And so yeah. She had a great race hats off to her. And everybody else but yeah. That's that's what happened to lori and cody. i don't know you know. Theo certainly had a really bad day when he got the dead doe. She'd hit airspace the day before. Maybe the same day and So that was gonna hit him hard with the forty eight hour penalty but he'd also stayed stationary for a long time. I think also the weather was terrible where he was even worse than it was for some others and so i'm not sure if it was just weather thing or if he was just over it as well. I never got to ask you about that. Libya asks dear more breakdown. Incidents reserved throw the power lines. Yes i've discovered that with with lori somebody other incidents i don't actually know more about those concerned the comment on mine the now we'll do here just a little bit davis stab Seem like the race commentary was a bunch of happy. Talk with incredible. Just mentioned a bit about dangerous things were rotor and collapses please linked to where the real reporting was going on for the was it the rebel excerpts addicts yet. Like i said this is disappointing. I've taken it up with some of the journalists in cross country magazine had this thing. You know Rebel accepts unvarnished was doing calls with him in the first few days of the race. But it didn't really worked out will also. I don't know if they kept that going on. They didn't one with tom to dora. Does well tom just put up a podcast on rebel adventure but thirty minutes. Those to yesterday. That was great. It kinda had audio from most of the days of his race. You can get some more from that but the best commentary honestly was from everybody's instagram. Some people do that a lot like paulin kriegel and myself. Tom and some others manu. He had hints videos on their landing backwards in a lot of win valley win and stuff. So that's the best place. I have critiqued this in talk to the race organization. Many times i find most of the reporting to be pretty puff p. c. type stuff that's centered on sponsors and not on what's really going on and i could say that now because i'm not doing it again but yeah i think a lot of the reporting frankly is pretty weak and certainly could be a lot better in a lot more real. That's that's a bomber. What about the training. The kriegel does prepare for this race flies in high wind. Does anyone else do that. Yes i certainly do a lot of it. I know many of the others do a ton of it. He's obviously the best in. He's he was the one that introduced all that you know flying behind cornices to find out how much when you can actually fly in the lee kelly. Free talks about his book. Anything or fifteen can our in the lease way to rowdy. I can promise you that we're flying very often and fifty gain our in lee recommended. It's absolutely gnarly. it's incredibly dangerous. But it's what many of us had to do. Not all of us had to do over and over and over again. So i think many trained for it and but sometimes you just have to stick your nose and see how goes. It can be pretty scary. Any thoughts on official wind speed limits. I mean to me thirty k. An hour in the mountains is still really top end and incredibly dangerous and in this race we were flying in way more than that on almost every day. So there you go. I don't hang ladders speeds. It's hang glider wins. And we're doing on. Paragliders is safe now. Landing on roads really. This is okay. So we're taken as normal. Yeah we all in on roads. There's video of me. Kinda crashing into a little small tree and people asked why i didn't win on the road can't see from the video as until that moment it had been really busy in there was no shoulder whatsoever. And then there's train tracks power lines on one side. So i just chose what i felt like. It was the safer option of landing in these trees and there was a little bit of grass in. It wasn't too bad the way did it made. I think i could helicoptered in their better just by doing really control deep stalls at really almost fly back in and letting the wing snap back into position. Which the climber does incredibly well he can almost take it straight down like elegant gutter but i chose the way i did In it worked out but it could have been certainly worse spun it because i had to rip for just not at a tree cut that in land so but very often landed on roads for five times in this race and you just have to judge that from the year many many many times. That's literally to get two or three hundred more meters and that kind of risk is you know. I actually crashed pretty hard. Coming in fee sean. I didn't make it into but a couple few case. Sure fish literally. I had a huge field that i could land in. I was trying to get another two hundred meters and ended up coming in pretty hard on my butt on rock that i didn't see trying to clear this fence. My whole swoop. Thing didn't work as well as i did. Cut stalled winger. Brian landed and that kind of risk. Abbas really hard on myself about that. That's just unnecessary. So i think oftentimes it's literally just because there's nowhere else planet in or you've just passed up. A pretty decent launch are sorry l z. And you just want the extra distance everything we can do in. The sky is easier. So sometimes yeah. I think it's pretty breezily. What about the great dividing point. When as i bagley recall. I don't seem to be able to use a way back machine to go to the previous town live tracking m- our penal Patrick canal and auvers and wa. We're all very close in front in marriage. Blew them away by taking a different route to the north. You have pretty funny thoughts on this. Although i wasn't able to confirm this with creole so the day davis is talking about news. Day seven maxine was ahead about twenty a but they both landed near this almost the same spot but obviously maxine landed. I and huge question is why would you take a different line when you're literally an incredible backyard. And you know that he's capable of making huge magic moves asked the guys cortel diss because they caught up with me when i flew over s- launch on getting around montblanc and you know i just send you. Did he just fake them out. Did he do often does. Which is you know. Probably kind of walked slowly. And let maxine go. Because he knew. Maxine would imax ended up to the simplon and kriegel state north stayed in the wrong and the next day just had that massive breakout flight so on that strong south earn dave so if it south burn. You know the weather's going to be better in the north but it's also going to be pretty rowdy and he stayed on the north side which is going to give them the best chance. You're not totally analee. Of course now on the south side but had huge day. And why the others do that. I obviously everybody's looking at their own weather stuff and you know it's it's all a gamble in some ways it's a coin to us and I'm sure the thought there was that if you're if you could stay on the south side you're going to be in a better place to make distance more safely but of course you can have lower base and maybe more rain and that kind of thing and that's exactly what those guys got wind was pretty launch. -able most walked incredible had the huge day. You know i think. In retrospect i'm sure maxine wonders why he didn't follow kriegel dissuade slowdown. It's not in our dna. You know you hit the ground pack up fast. You start ruin. And i'm sure. Maxine thought that he could make a better move there but yeah i'm sure he'll be kicking himself years on that one I think this race enforced yet again. You know the talk at the beginning always is going to be the year that krieble gets taken down. Certainly this was closer than any. I mean he's never been in under. This kind of pressure is always gotten out in front stays their whole race. This one was really tight until that day. In fact most of the time he wasn't even in the lead and so you know but you know he's gonna make a magic move and he once again proved it for him to get in there and nine days. Just absurd or any of those guys. All the top five that made it just unbelievable performances and hats auto. That's credible the weather that we were battling unbelievable and the does guys made. It is just so epic terry hanson. How what are the athletes. Think of nine inning in monaco. In do you think the future the race will also not in there definitely. I think future the race will not end there. That's been a real pain for the organization. It sucks for the athletes. It is neat to get to the c. Luckily i didn't twenty fifteen but so i get to see what that was like. You know the principle of the race was always to cross the entire op alps in so we lost that in. I know that's definitely disappointing. To the rookies. W disappoint anyone. Who never got there for sure. But as i've said many times. Monica does sock. It's incredibly hot. It's incredibly dangerous down there is. That's when you really tired in the race it should pro-dole and so i think for everyone who has gotten their. This was hugely refreshing. Change and much saber. There's no fans down there and it's really hard for the race organization because the roads were top down there. They always had a very hard time getting permission. And nobody cared in my goal. That's more than half one thing and big boats big money so nobody cared that the x. apps ended down there so i definitely don't think that that's going to be the future only future will be more like the race. We saw this year and it was awesome. It was it was great to do that. It was awesome. Navon out and back. It was great. Did not have to be constantly battling headwinds like we normally do and i think it's It's pretty exciting. I know that there were some disappointment. Especially among the rookies that were go to monica. Because that's what it's all about. But in the end. I think for the most part everybody really enjoyed the joint change any read. One thing i'd like to know is why the reporting consistently ignores the support teams every competitor. Tell you how important their team is. And yet year after year this fourteenth totally overlooked. They all incredible story. To tell but rebelled. Us wants films pilots. Are they not interested in the human interest side of. It can't comment on that. I wasn't able to put that question to the reporting teams I know it certainly something that everybody thinks about and certainly they. I have seen stories about you. Know how important sport teams are. But they don't you're right they don't do a ton of reporting on it. I think a lot of is just bandwidth to to put it. You know i. It's just. I asked talk one for example afterwards. Why wouldn't this report on that reported on and they just there's not enough people. There's not enough budget to do it. You know like it could be done. I'm sure that you know they try to do the best they can. They have video teams and reporting teams. All over the place but in the end it's really hard to keep up with the teams. They're moving sanely fast faster and faster every race and i'm sure a lot of it's just what can we cover. What can't we again. A lot of the reporting has to keep going back to the sponsors like. That's really unfortunate. But yet that's a big hole for sure and hopefully that Racer will listen to this. And and maybe that'll be a bigger thing in the future. The the support teams are just insanely critical. You know we have a blast. I can't imagine doing this without the team that i have. In fact i wouldn't and many times more fascinating. What's going on there than what's going on with the athlete. So you're you're totally right on out. Gasser for either eddie. Thomas related question. Would you consider being a spoiler for another pilot. Your knowledge and experiences surly invaluable. What do think about the new format in. Could it be improved for twenty twenty three by the new format shoot. He's talking about the course. Of course great. That was a huge refreshing comment on that. But i love it. I always hated monaco. How could it be improved. We just provided a whole bunch of feedback to the race organization. I think the one major thing is just to extend the the rest period at least a half an hour. i think it is truly dangerous. How little sleep we get. And these days with very rare exception twice in the race we shut it down early the night before just because we were in position to be on a perfect launch at six. Am the next morning which is when were allowed to fly your loud move between five and ten thirty at night And you're allowed to fly between six. Am and nine pm. And it just didn't make any sense to keep walking. Because then i would be in a valley or something at six. Am so we tried every day to have a flight somewhere around six or seven o'clock in the morning to get a glide. Get six to ten or twelve k or flame who was catastrophic and. We got really lucky. You could get more than that but That was just the style that we wanted to do to the style that most of the teams ended his massive study of abraham the last few races this whole winner and most of the exceptional teams in the top. Ten are all flying once in the morning at least before the big part of the day and then again in the evening in on that kind of last little flight between eight nine pm and so we really tried to emulate that for the most part at work sometimes. It was a big win. Sometimes it was would have been better just walk. But i think it's important to do and so the twice in the race we shut down before ten thirty at otherwise because we were in position like that otherwise it was started five to ten thirty as as lot of especially the teams at the front. Did so if you lengthen that rest period a half an hour. I just think it'd be lot safer other than that you know. There's a lot of things that they could do that. I think would make it more entertaining like having the stage race. That kind of thing. More like the tour de france. But you know as i mentioned earlier. There's there's challenges with that in a measure. That's going to really happen. Would i be as for for the pilot i would. Of course i'm been to support. I was planning a sporting band for the only thing that low was running although her these just cancelled that for lack of interest. If band or if ben ever decided to do something like x. Peer support him. That my hesitancy is that i wouldn't be great. I wouldn't be like ravis or ben orlea members of my team just because i'm not very tentacle so not very good at the computer in the weather. Stuff like rabbits. And i'm not very just military in terms of diligence organization like bhannes. I mean i'm up at four forty in the morning. I have quick bite. Eat the revenues. Made me and i grabbed my stuff and i go in. All my instruments are on. They've been charged all night. My watch has been charged my instrument. Everything's ready to roll. And ben is doing that on no sleep. He gets those guys. Get less sleep than i do. And so i'm just not very pedantic and not very thorough not my personality so i'd have to really work at that. I think my experience would be helpful but from the pilot side and those are skills that you know that are very easy to pass along the person i be supporting has to have those skills grain and have them anyway so i'm not sure i'd be great at it but of course if somebody asked me i would but only my team. It's it's it's insanely hard in never. It's very very time consuming. There's a particular styled. Usa has that. I would want to have. And so i would certainly wouldn't take lightly but i would consider it for for someone who has supported me. Of course ben netter field asked. Did you find it. Hard to switch on and off at the end of the day and actually get rest or something's playing around your head especially once the patik set in. Yeah i had hard time sleeping. The first few days us things to help with that. Nothing like ambien but you know various supplements and use the stuff from on it called new mood. And he's finna bit that reveiz would give me a use melatonin and just things to kind of quiet down for the first few days special day to your kind of sorry night number two. You're not the nightmare for the race. But the second one I try to bank as much. Sleep as i can in the weeks before the race and that might just be lying down. You don't prove the don't necessarily need asleep. Just wind down relaxing meditating. I do that as much as i possibly can. Before the race starts and i've sailed around world cup time so i'm pretty good at sleep deprivation on this whole race. Usually those guys have to shake awake and this whole race they wake up in ten minutes later. Be up out of bed working on my feet out some food and be ready to roll. I was just excited. I was excited. I was stoked. Now that was really excited to catch up and just keep grinding and i was kind of in it the whole time so. I don't think i had too much trouble with that. He had is an issue after day. Five or six. I mean when i have dinner i would fall asleep in my bed and in fact one of the questions. Here we're gonna get to is one of the funniest things that happen and one of those was fell asleep when those when revs was making dinner and this is one of the times where we were able to shut it down early because we are in a good position for the next day and and reveiz. Shouldn't you wait. He said okay. It's time to go again. And i thought it was the morning. They were just blatant. W. i'd slept for twenty minutes and i thought it was more an army and really. Jeez that didn't seem like a very long sleep. And i kinda rustled out of bed to get going and they were just cracking up your body a beard. Dinner's ready after. While you get so exhausted it's pretty easy to sleep and actually had really good rest in this one next question from ben having had the crash not long prior the race when coupled with some brain fog that you notice any moments of or days of decision making were a bit haphazard. Yes several times in this race. I literally got completely lost in the air and now just totally brain fog. You never feel it. You feel like you're okay but there were a few times in the race. Were ben actually asked me you know. Hey man how're you. Doing fine was going say we. Yeah you don't you siempre spaced out and there was the day. Probably the best. Most fun i had in the race was we were in the valley behind loose. It's where firebird used to be and robbie little used to have fiber. It's supposedly the hardest. Most difficult sketchiest place to in the alps. Can't remember the name of that valley. It's the one that leads up to the war. Pass we were between the larry moose and Santa's turn points and had this really cool flight the night before the castle. I'm sure many are all you. Saadat was an insane of so cool and had this seventy one to one glide down the bally's completely darks lightly raining and his epic line on the valley made now fifteen twenty k. And then hike the rest of that night and then the next morning was got caught up with actually had a glide the morning then i got caught up with addie. The photographer and robert blum. Who is the current german. Faa i world champion. Sorry german champion for apnea. I'm really really really good pilot. And i knew who he was and they caught up with meena. Were not allowed. Team fly at all but were allowed to fly with recreational pilots and It was to be in a place that i didn't know at all with the german champion and us really good pilot and we hiked up to this launch and said robert. I'm following you know. And he basically took me up to the war pass and we're able to get over it. The cloud base was too low. And i came into this ridge with much. Win with just slightly less heightened he was able to kind of dig out and i wasn't landed. He came down land and with me and we raised up to pass and it just so. We flew that twenty five k. But it was insane to just be able to unload my brain and follow someone and suddenly i was climbing really well and everything was clicking and house keeping up and We were just having a blast and then we were hiking up to the pass. And i thought i was going to fly with him. This next section which is really difficult down to feld kirk down in this big gap you gotta make across the flats over to the santa's ridge and he said obser- just got a call from abby I'm going to have to switch to marcus math leave. You and i should have descent dude. I'll pay a thousand bucks but shoot it. So he came into the race ban showed us. You know exactly what i needed to do to get through this next section which was really complicated and a bunch of different moves. Okay round this corner. Try to get some Try to get a league. Climb and there's no sun but try to get a leak lime and crossed the valley across to the ski area top leeann hike over the top. There's a hot up there. Keep flying keep going down to. I can't remember the name of the town but anyway toward towards santa's and and we mapped it all out in. Put it in my phone. And i took off and i got this cool. Climb zachary said. I would and and i just kept lying down that same valley looking at my instrument. Gone why the told me to go. I don't understand it. I just nothing in the sky. Made sense and i totally blew it and Ended up slow planning and climate another fifteen hundred meters up into the clouds and flew again and landed in. I mean it took me three flights to get out of there. When should take me one. Maybe and bono's it's hard to say in reveille thought in working out pretty well but this guy completely lost just totally blow it and that happened several times where i just couldn't read my phone and yet pretty funny. So yeah there is. There's ups pretty interesting so yes. Deputy was bed pretty haphazard. What was the funniest moment. Human team had together to one of the last days. When i was rounding mob block had this very special flight across launched in passy in total darkness it was not from darkened being dark. Either just no son and just kept finding his cool convergence lines and milk in every little bit a lift and then did of these where i had a very easy landing or i could fly another two hundred meters in this kind of unlivable canyon. Flew back in there of course as we do. There's little tiny feel huge trees. I just had arkansas on a wingtip and come in with a ton of energy thought. I had the camera on had an off and so on and win and turn it on and just as a horses approached me and got to watch the film. It's after the credits. This little seven minute film. We'll put up here very shortly and it'll crack up. I'm not real big fan horses. The name really a big fatemi and the other ones. I just told you won't be up. In what i thought was before forty in the morning to get going and it was just because i fall asleep well while reveiz was making dinner but we had a lot of very fun. Funny moments most of them. I can't repeat on a podcast because bought a lot of language and stuff but it was. We had a blast. Eight z was always. Fun meals. Guys are really good at laughing at me and making fun of me in that keeps everything pretty light. So yeah it was. It was great stanislav asses still fun or when i went to the stage of only professional teams with huge number of people behind them can compete is in other. Words is still find that the teams are getting so professional was so me supporters. I love following it but it seems like even more ridiculously hard and possible than before that last bit is totally true at. I think the top ten least teams not more are insanely insanely fast is just totally. Every game was my first year in two thousand fifteen. I keep saying this every time but you know we'll get asked a question here shortly that covers some of this to most of the top. Ten pilots are all professional pilots. That's all they do. Their test pilots over three hundred hours year. Somebody like patrick is five hundred. Yeah it's still last. It's still an amazing adventure. I still love it. This was very clearly going to be the last. Even before this started at my age and training i have to do. It is ridiculous. And even when i did all that i had a really hard time hanging with those guys in those teams and so yeah think about that long and hard before you apply to the exiles. I think those of us on the other side of the pond wordy passive disadvantage. Just you know unless you spend so much time over their training. As i have in my did before the twenty fifteen race but it's still nothing compared to those guys and those teams and so it's still last it still the craziest adventure in the world. Are you still the grace. Brings you the most amazing places in you find yourself doing the most incredible and at times stupid things. But it's magnificent. It's the most fun. I know how to have in a you know if you have a good team like like we do. It's blast But yes it is ridiculous trae ass trae hackney from wyoming s. I'd like to hear some stories about your top highlights and the flip side some scary moments for the most challenging situations flying outside the standard reasonable conditions would that was like in the physical reality. Managing the glider and conditions are pushing limits yet. Talked about this a little bit. But top highlights for sure The flights i got these little really cool. Flights between the alcohol turn kim kinsey term point. And let's see the moose turn point when just looked totally unflappable. Luca i had this crazy flight out of the clouds leaving the kinsey. And then you know just just went hundreds and hundreds of years where he couldn't see very much and then we both popped out and following each other on this ridge lines. Beautiful just shouldn't be working but it was and then the next flight. I didn't let the sun come out long enough and made it across. The invalid landed in a bunch of win. And then luca flew over my head and a really big day. And i ended up having to hike up to launch with ben and And then kind of making it work. I mean i lost a couple hours on luca there but were a lot of people are on the ground in fighting a ton of wind. You knows able to piece together. These short really cool very fun. Flights through the lakes in the northern bavarian alps and Make made a lot of ground. That day on. Nick is he and i were both kind on the axe on chopping block for the next elimination the next morning so that kind of that game some breathing room and then another huge highlight was landing on that snowfield which is in the film on that proper south day and and luckily the snow wasn't isothermic and it was just beautiful. Amazing up there was scary but really cool and then to huge highlights. One was the big day leaving fee sh-she and when Ogi bombed out in. I just made massive distance that day in the weirdest. Just you know. We had a massive tailwind which i'd never seen in the he never get east winds there in just the flying was fine over was proper in the big apps. They're flying over glaciers and frozen lakes and flying in a ton win and it was working. I just that was one of those days. Were all screaming at my. Yeah we got. This died massive huge air. And you know. I don't think much more than tip glasses that davos you just felt like i was really on it. Used a ton of bar. My wing and i were one out just would never fly like that on any. Just be no point to go out on a day like that and but it ended up being. The timing was on slope land at high before arranged dorm. There was luckily this little cow thing. I could tip over my head and stay dry during the rain storm and then got another good flight after that landed near this Cheesemakers shop and bought some cheese and sausage off on when it just unleashed huge. Hail and mudslides. And i was able to kinda hide under the roof and each cheese and eat sausage and then get another couple of flights that night. Some of that's in the film crazy clouds and made up onto distance. Got way ahead eastside side and worry about being eliminated anymore made a bunch of ground on the. Oh actually me too much ground everybody that day so that was very very special and then the last really special one was two flights going around mont block and this combined with the scary part of it actually the dente oc- day. None of this is on film. Unfortunately but launched one day. We were just trying to little valley. These little kind of ridged ridge crossings and there was really strong headwind. But if you kept your head down you could stand her neat this hour just above my head in every time you get to a cold or something. Which is jesus unflattering scary. And you'd go down. Get underneath it. Auto bet and god's going to be harry but i think we can do it and i took off. I sat there with banned for about twenty minutes. And you know there were times were swirling time to really strong down. We were just very clearly just totally in the router. But there were times where it seemed manageable and i waited effort to get some kind of upslope. Wind launched immediately twenty feet off the ground lost over half the glider and just immediately spun me right in towards the hill and looking at man just thought now game i'm dead and spun. The glider hard the other way and landed in nice soft grass luck that at any rocks glider. Came down hard acted away walked in walked to the next ridge and then flew again. Same kind of conditions. I mean it was. Just you know he'd been said heart rate didn't even go up. I kind of went around. The course we didn't see him rally and thought well he's either dead but he's not screaming so easier your daddy's okay. You've probably okay because usually are in this race so mean it's weird issues on and then that night had a great flight across launch into the cortines valley and in the next day hepatic with ben up into the past. You know we were. Skiing are feet and blowing so hard is just. This is totally unreasonable. And but i got kind of a round way from the wind again launching in total rotor and just to save myself twenty k. to fly from one. Call the next. And you know is rowdy as against this is in the film Some of this launch was least been caught it on film and You know had a really scary twenty k. Flight over this big deep valley across to this next call and there were people down coal or hikers. Dave's really strong northern and cleared the coal three hundred feet and literally went three hundred feet strengthening just ten down twelve down The glider was flying. It wasn't parachute oil. But i had no control of it and right before i hit the ground. The only thing trying to land in the snow. There's all the snow in rocks dirt. And i couldn't get it on. Snow landed about three feet off the edge of the snow in the dirt. And i thought oh my god i'm bring legs and it was the softest ground. It was just totally soft mud. And soon as i landed the win the wing just ripped out of my hands used blonde fifty miles newer and able to pull it in and just sitting there for second got keystone. I mean how many times can keep doing this and walked over to another call and walked down a little bit got out of the wind and judged it's just be on flyable sat there for an hour and then ravis suggested that i get i keep moving around away from the rotor. Maury thought it'd be potentially flyable. He was reporting some pretty scary conditions down the valleys but thought that the upper would be okay and launched and maybe the strongest winds i've ever launched in and and just got plot in with straight up and flew fifty or sixty k. In lovelier it. Was you know rowdy. And very strong. But i could just again i could plant myself onto these west facing slopes that also had on him and just and get to our. I couldn't hang on more and go go to the next one and that worked Until i got one place that was kinda sticky slope landed walked over a little kohl's hundred meters a climbing relaunched. At this point the win was really easing off and flew another forty k. Or so and got to where the value right before the magnaga valley. So right underneath. Mon- arosa i'd cleared the matterhorn and everything was going really. Well i picked off. Definitely i l and michael and because they had taken different routes michael was kinda stuck it up us seem. I don't know. I never get talked. Him not sure what was happening when he was really moving and And the next valley had had this big sell blow up in it so it had no son in the cloud base was way below where it was about thirty two hundred top of the peaks and i can easily lob into their and i briefly discussed with res- if i should fly down in austin instead in that bali but we had the airspace to deal with their and anyway lobbed into the valley before mock naga and predictably because had been cloudy for. I don't know how long. But at least as long as i had been able to see it over an hour There was no thermals. No wins nothing. I could serve and si- slope granted and really quick and it did the calculation really quick and they did as well and said. Hey if you book you can get up there about eight forty and get one last final glide into the muck naga valley and you'll be up there twenty five hundred meters and you'll get an ice glide god's the top where other athletes had been and it was totally isothermic deep. Snow in there is no win at all and so my first. Two attempts at a forward failed and and then i plucked a line on one on iraq and was just scrambling to get off. I gotta go. I gotta go i gotta go and finally did ten minutes before the cutoff and reps calm city union to one or e. You've got to get on the ground. And i was getting. This is glide way beyond pulley to pull latest full bars fast. As i could fly and i pulled up maps and it's been my dream to stay in a refuge hut high one of these in i read the maps that this i could see this kind of hut this off to my left on top of this ridge line in look like i could make it and i am going to go to this. I'm going to go to this hut. And he said great and the hut was actually below me. Now the bottom of the valley and so i did this fly on the wall killer slope landing in this little tiny field below the hut in landed and looked at my maps and realized that that wasn't hide. It was just an abandoned building. The hut was down below in already blown the opportunity to spiral down and so soul-crushing but had walked down in fifteen hundred feet and wasn't the big the orbit you know basically walk down. Spent the night man and then walked back to the exact same place and flew the next morning. So that was the only problem in an otherwise really really epic day so yeah lots of highlights. You have every day. Lots of big downer and a lot of really scary ones for sure that you know. The beginning of the race of course was not scary. She that didn't work. How common were collapses Her for many others that they had a lot even kriegel I flew climber to ps epoch wing. I m many you know for the most part. I had the one on that launch which ended up in a crash that went well but other than that in the air you know in the really ratty conditions remember losing knowing. Actually it was. It's it's amazing wang. He any situations. You might not get out of that. You might need to throw. Several definitely had looked the reserve handle many times in this race but luckily did and But the worst was that one at the coal clearing mop walk that was definitely pretty dicey. I'm not sure the reserve won't help back to would have been really scary. Can win was so vicious on the ground would have got total over the place dot having to cut it would be cool to more and learned second hand about the reality of flying. Fully extreme conditions like this year presented such high wind. We have covered that and evaluate. Lessons are incite. You learned this time around flying strong rotor. I don't know that seems to be shared necessarily but you can find a lot more than you think you can manner taking a lot of risk and one thing i learned from will on the rockies verses of course the safest place to be right up in the train right on the terrain right behind the rotor kriegel land flying in the cornices stuff Ci you gotta be right on the terrain and that's scary in cell very often pushing into the league is freely hardcore and you take hints. And you'd get in these huge flushes in disgust. Stick with it. Keep going and of course. You're going to be tighter on the terrain. So i just not sure it's reasonable. Not sure that kind of risk is you know. It's definitely not worth it if something happens but it's can handle way more than i thought you can and But i certainly know look forward to it gonna freeze what's the biggest takeaway from the race. What did you learn got us. We could be stupid. I the risk is too much. And that was i've known that from previous events. I don't know if that's changed. Because i have a daughter family now but like will gaz experience running into gats question. Which is the final one here next. But you know he. He felt like the race was just too much it it it pushes the envelope too much beyond what should be comfortable. Nets certainly true in this in this one or one race and it's too much and it certainly beyond what is reasonable for me certainly seemed like that was the case for many others. Kriegel on that flight you know. I know many of the athletes. I spoke to pretty excited about doing it again. This for me was at and that's more my age. Just same inspiring. God wanted to do. But you know i learned in this one i think. Of course there are people that have been in the past that. I think i could still be competitive with if things. It just rolled a different way for us Not sure that seventeenth is really where the preparation and the training and stuff puts us but this is a crazy race things happen. You know good and bad and so. That's where we ended up which. I didn't really care about honestly. I you know when we went into this race the goal was to stick with the process and had a lot of fun in be safe. And i'm not sure that third one mushoo we held to that you know I know i scare my team several times. There was some couple of things i did. They were flat out stupid. Kinda did a brain fog. That could have been really way worse. And i'm just not sure. I've got the youth and the reaction time and to deal with that stuff safely and i don't think that i don't think the training that i that the training that i do. I don't know that you know. Some people can get away with doing a lot less. But i like being able to do fifty thousand meters in twelve days which is what did you know that six times up everest. I you know i know that i'm not as good a pilot and i know i don't know the alps nearly as well as most of the teams do so i've gotta make up for it in other ways and to do that just requires insane. Amount of time in hats off to ban for ben abruzzo. Who's train me also. Been my support. All the races His trainings incredible. He also trained in wargo who had an amazing race who also felt better at the end and then he did in the beginning and you know hopefully will see him doing it again but yes adds up to been training but it's just become too unreasonable just requires too much time. Hope that answers what an alarm will get really. Enjoy your emphasis on battling well rather than just the results question. Almost every pilot in the top ten is a fulltime competition tests. Sponsored pilot is necessary to have test pilot three hundred hours plus a year level skills to hit the podium in the x outs tackle now and i yeah it is in two thousand fifteen my first one. You could make big mistakes and make you come back and it was a very different race. It was still little bit more of an adventure than now kriegel said after the prologue that when he did the boers to fly this year. That there were five. Six french pilots who applied to the opposite didn't get in the franchise that deep who would have beaten everybody but the top three potentially in ben in the top three in in the prologue in other words the prologue great flying conditions. And i think i was eight and i was twenty minutes behind kriegel and maxine and and tommy for a very short race. You know a guy and some of the guys that were in some of the teams that were in the in. The born to fly are exceptionally better pilots than men according to kriegel than many who are in the xl. So i mean. I think the x. apps is definitely attracts some of the best pilot in the world. But there are many specially in the french and swiss. Who are who don't even make cut because they're so deep as nations and certainly the top ten are totally professional and in a clearly different level and those of us who are forty nine or just never going to catch up you know. I get three hundred hours a year but i'm never going to catch up to never going to be the pilot. That maxime is and kriegel is and patrick is ben wa and and ben walk and do hundred county ground every day and he. He's always running and you know that's just unbelievable and so yeah. I think that this year we really saw in that top ten. The the skill level is is remarkable. And if you don't live in europe and you don't train in europe and he'd on race a ton racing really important and you don't have that local knowledge of every little piece or at least most of those little pieces of course you hard road to get into top ten. It's nearly impossible. What i saw the launches landings and lines flown. Sherlock like pilots. Better be very comfortable operating way way outside normal flying conditions on okay with that. But i think this year's tough conditions really emphasized very specialized in high level skills. Or maybe not what you think yet tapped on this some of the other questions. Obviously many of you saw that. And that's why you're asking about it. It's extraordinarily extreme. And i say about it. I i just i think that every pilot in this race you know i mean. Look at cody's maybe our best acura pilot in the us right now. He's very regularly in the top. Ten in world cups is very safe and capable talented hard-working pilot and you know it was just. The extreme of this was too much. And i totally get it and laurie. Same thing you know. Top ten super last year. She's awesome pilot really knows how to race. Well had an incredibly talented team in thing. Michael michi was her supporter on the best in the world. You're going up against the best of the best and the conditions. I think really challenged even creel in this one. And i guess that's just not to be taken lightly and so don't think it's reasonable to tackle something like this in less you have a mindset of totally be willing to walk and not racing the others unless your a totally professional pilot in the other big one. Is that most of these guys that are certainly in the top. Ten are also doing all the other race kriegel went from this one. To five days later competing eiger had really bad weather. You still want it so you know. Most of these teams are over their competing and hike and fly you around the other one after the other after the other and that experience really adds up. That's it folks. i hope. I answered them well enough. I'm still a bit of brain fog. Thank you all for your awesome questions and got worse work. I'll do what. I can answer him in future shows. 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BeeBop Tales: Firebreather

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BeeBop Tales: Firebreather

"Well. Hey, hey, hey, babe off here and welcome to episode to be tales season five. I'm so happy you're here. And I'm so glad you guys are sending me all these questions and even some products now. And again, we got a really cool prank from chaska from Orlando Florida, so chaska had this great idea for a prank for me too old messing flaps. And basically it was a four step process in order to trick Jonathan into swallowing chili oil. So chilly oil is really hot and now Johnson's outside with his face in the snow trying to get that chili oil burn out of his mouth. So I can record episode to now this week. We have to answer a question that has been lingering for a couple of bebop seasons now and we've got to emails one from Zion and South Korea and another from Cass an Oscar in Richfield, Minnesota all three of those kids wanna know, pow invented monorails. That's something I told you about before by never actually did a bebop tales about how I invented monorails and this dates back to a question from on yet Gibson who six who has have you ever fought volcano lava monster living chicken nugget, and did you really invent mazer, shoes and monorails? So we now have four kids who want to know about monorails and leg to answer that question today. Because if you remember what happened in the last episode me and panned off were stuck. Inside a robot snake with its closing in on us and panel who's going to cast a spell to get us out of there. A lot of you wrote in with some really great ideas for spells to get us out of that robots. And I think you're going to hear some of them in today's episode. So that you also much will thank you after the end of the episode. So without further ado season five episode to babe. Fire breather. I forgot Johnny flops. Yeah. So bebop what's the plan? Hi, you're gonna get out of here. Maj? Said paranov, but nothing happened grind said bebop. But what particular magic are you going to do was now squatting to keep the ever closing walls of the robot snake Gullit from crushing him. Here's a spent it's on a tip of my tongue. I just have to remember it said Pandove chance have to remember. It said Bieb wizards were supposed to have like amazing brains. Never forget anything who are you again, said Pandove just kidding. I know the spell it's snake. Oh by. Said the robot snake? Yeah. Said Pandove now one just exchanges pleasantries with robust makes. Okay. Wait. I got one. Bob at so. Was the word vomit in that spell said be Bob. Yes. Said Pandove make the robot snake vomited out, and we'll be free to go on our way out. A sudden surge of things robots naked eaten came flying by Pandolfi bebop blades of grass more than a few half to logs and rocks. Lots of rocks. How said be Bob. Why didn't we get vomited out to we must have been too? Big dove. Anyhow, let's try if you others, shall we? America Dabira Kazam. Make the snake spits out. Sabih, bob. Expo. Try again. So it'd be Bob Penn socio libertarian. Suddenly the robot snakes Gullit was filled with books. Oh, right. That one makes us snake library said pandals. Pandals snake library, you'll be piling up. The books to make pillars to keep the gullet from contracting. Any further plan is happening snag library. Snake? Now, you're just making stuff up. Isn't there? Like transporters spell or something like that transport us cried Pandolfi. Yeah. Something like that transporters or no, that's it off he grabbed onto bebop arm. True. Be Bob and Pendle were instantly swept away out of the robot snake up to the top of a nearby tree. At the edge of the jungle. I can't believe it said be up. It was easy said perr dove. All I needed was a little magic don't start with that. Okay. Okay. You got one spill, right? Okay. We get it. The two friends looked at each other and laughed bebop. Glad to be above the jungle and out of the snake patted, his friend on the back. So high assume that the pan around Pearl is nearby says you were able to cast all those spells. Yes, pair dove snake has taken a so close to the Pearl can feel its power in my veins gross. Be are weird. You should try circuitry. Anyway, which way do we go in front of the friends was a giant mountain covered? In rocks with clusters of gnarled trees, bent over by the harsh winds off to the east was what looked like a calm ocean and off to the west a small village on the outskirts of the forest is only one way said Pandolfi, let me guess up that. At that mountain enough. And so the two friends climb down the tree and began the long hike up the mountain can't you just transport us up to the top. So bebop I could said Pandove, but I'm not sure if we're going to the top the Pearl could be buried inside the mountain or even hidden beneath a rock, you know, what would be great said be Bob if there was a trade that could go around and up the mountain. So we could just ride that. And then keep a lookout impossible said Pandove, look how uneven all this terrain is you'd never be able to get to even rails on the side of the mountain. But what if it was just one rail said Bieb? Left hand off he paused to pick up a small object on the ground that looked like a deep fried hairball. He popped it in his mouth. What did you just eat said? Oh, that was a mountain Moreau a very rare mushroom a real delicacy for us pandas delicious. Anyway, a train with one rail. The wizard here. Leave the crazy mind-bending spells up to me a train with only one rail. It could work said you could call it a modern oh said Pandove he was waving his hand frantically in front of his mouth. What is it should be Bob? What's happening? Said Pandove through the white for on his face bebop could see that Pandolfi was turning red. Well, those mushrooms are spicy. So be Bob looking around for a water source to help his friend. I don't think it was a mushroom. It was it was. Oh, no. It was. Suddenly the ground rumbled and out popped dozens of those little deep fried chicken nugget mushroom creatures one of them lift bebop and burst into flame has collided with his head. Said be Bob. What are these things? Who is singing that up panned off was bent over? Panting. Trying to get the spicy taste out of his mouth. War. Crying said Pernod soon as you hear that, you know, they're going to attack. Okay. Up as two more fiery nuggets wash themselves at him. There were coming out of the ground. Out of the trees. And seemingly from the sky. Before he knew the entire mountainside seemed to be ablaze with a flaming hits. Cry bebop. But Pandolfi couldn't speak the heat from the volcano eleven months. Muster living chicken nugget that he had eaten had made it impossible for him to talk. He was covering his tone in mud. Trying to quell the burning. The ground was aflame. The sky was on fire and bebop had nowhere to go. Bay. Bob. Reema tales that chicken nuggets song, really Wales. Bebop tales Biba tails. By tails. Okay. Okay. Okay. Through a little curveball. There. You thought I was gonna talk about when I invented monorails. But actually, this answers on is question above Okano love monster living, chicken nuggets. At least. I hope it does. And you'll have to tune in next week to see how I got rid of all of those volcano master live chicken nuggets. All right. Why have some people to think today, not only our artists? But also are spell casters. All right. Well, I'm gonna take all of the young wizards. Who sentence spell suggestions, including Dagan who just turned eight happy belated birthday today land in from Queen creek, Arizona, my old pal Amelia, our friend Rex Rexon our old pal Markham ever it may from Louisville. Luke Cameron from Perth Australia, Rafael who six from Oakland, California, every who is eight from Saint Paul Minnesota Gavin who is eight lamb who is sixth and seventh who was four. And our pow Oliver Smith, Dexter whose aid from ethica New York max who is seven from Austin, Texas, James who nine thank you all so much. All right. And now we have some artists the thing I want to say thank you to Sam who's sex from Winnipeg Manitoba Canada. Caitlyn? Evan from Richmond hill, Canada, James who seven from Nashville Tennessee Elliott who's a five from Houston, Texas, Avery who's nine from Winnipeg Caitlin who nine from spring lake New Jersey alive from mechanicsville Virginia Levi who seven in Logan who's five Nate from Asheville North Carolina. Luke, who's nine ally who seven Ivy who seven from Greenwood California Henry from Morrison Colorado, Bentley from Las Vegas, Nevada and Clara whose aid from Milton on -tario Canada. And then our pal Marlowe who is nine great name are low that you also much for all of the delicious art ho Kay. Now, it's time to get our laugh on I joke is from dream from Atlanta, Georgia. Drew had day. I made your Zoldin from Atlanta, Georgia, and here's my joke. What does go stay when a place bad? Ooh. That's awesome. Thank you so much, drew. And now it's time for joke from my pal failing. What could one astronaut say to the other one? Apollo g accepted. All right. Thank you, all so much. Thank you for all the spells. Thank you for all the art. Thank you for all the jokes. And we'll see you next week to figure out how we get away from volcano lava monster live at you're going to it's all right? Thanks, everybody. See and it's weak. Jay. Best robot ever dot com. Ex-?

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006: Current State of HBO Max

The Streaming Wars

46:35 min | 1 year ago

006: Current State of HBO Max

"The latest happenings regarding your favorite streaming services find out which savage is winning the war this time around you're listening to the Stream in laws. The PODCAST THAT DISCUSSES YOU WANNA dive into I is while we've done this for at least a couple of these episodes disclaimers so as a disclaimer the last said the price is unknown the service itself is set to launch in early twenty twenty according to everything that has been said originally it was have Disney plus an apple TV plus and obviously the existing players of Amazon prime video and Netflix already out in the market for them has stock or anything like that the current stock prices thirty seven dollars and they have a value of five hundred thirty one billion dollars in assets I'm as in have price we don't have the exact release date but here's what we do know about. Hbo Max Hbo Max is obviously deriving from the is that obviously already exist and the ones that are about to launch in the coming months there is Hbo Max and Peacock which is the one we'll be covering the next time I would just probably assume at this point that we will probably have an episode releasing it the next day if not the the day right away white won't the more from one thing that they originally announced into something that is completely different than what they originally announced but the the other day to keep in mind is Hbo Max which I'm assuming they're going to roll out prices they're going to rule out the actual plan for it and probably announce a release date because their goal owned by HBO Maximum Peacock we have just a very little amount of information we don't actually have a ton of information for Hbo Max we view May Have No may know but some of you probably don't that man is owned by war media so I'm very up to date with a lot of the things that's happening within the confines of who launch at least in Beta by the end of twenty nineteen but that's not happening but we'll get into some more of how this how this service has morphed into word HBO is located which is more media or media is owned by at and T. if you look at at and T.'s value because warner media who man it's almost thirteen years that's a long time phyllis thirteen years I have ran a website called the Bama universitat nets were it's all about Batman and as many as I all accounts is to get this released as early in twenty twenty as possible but they also want to make sure that they're out there before peacock as well because they're already going announce this stuff talking about everything that they announce Richfield Max because we'll be getting into our news episodes here very shortly so with that being said the one thing that works in reviews comics for that site as well and writes articles so that's how we met so we have experienced with at least some of the the others because of the stuff that I that I cover for this other sites that I presently work on Tony and I actually met through this other sites he connects current state of which this we're gonNA be talking about. Hbo Max Hbo Max is an Interesting Service because unlike the past services October twenty ninth is actually there's there's plans to have some sort of reveal on the warner brothers lot four so there's that but the other part of it is that one brothers has a massive massive library very very close I honestly could say that you're also familiar with as well so that all being said we have some experience with Hbo Max Are Not Hbo Maximum Warner Media As a company to you know to have competition so they need to at least get out there and not be the last of the major studios they're pushing a service there they need to be one of the they need to be out there her and available for people to get to checkout before they become the last basically an after thought so October twenty ninth lot more details obviously I can they produce and distribute a lot of television shows while Disney does have television shows they have not had that as a major focus for the company over the past out of those shows were not actually produced ABC so there's a lot of content on top of that one others also owns the MGM Library the products that that were media has also there's a ton of services that will talk about a little bit one of which is DC universe which we last fifteen years there's and on top of that while they own. ABC of the shows that were on ABC prior to Disney owning ABC they are undervalued the opportunity for at and T. to exceed outside of the telecommunications aspect and the ice piece aspect of different things it might be even more extensive than what Disney has in the sense of just the sheer output not necessarily the sheer quality of content but one brothers they also own a ton of other stuff they have lots of different studios outside of just more brothers pictures they own new line they have Castle rockets payment there's a lot of companies that were media is part of and that's not even touching on some of the newer media as far as the digital services which will talk about a little bit but disgust will I did not know that AOL owned worry that is interesting piece of Trivia it's clearly the parent company of were media at and T. wants to be successful and there's the their stockholders want to be successful because the this is a big deal for them and they really need the acquisition which cost one hundred thousand over one hundred billion dollars that you need this acquisition to go very well warner brothers is a very very very large company and they just recently were acquired by at and T. in the past couple of years and that me take a whole at and T. is while a major company that's been around for a very very long time they some people say that for them let's just say that so and obviously from the weather standpoint you don't want this to turn into another AOL situation where AOL went and bought born well back in the day of all dialup and good days so yeah Hbo Products Really just more the the comics I still watch a number of different shows on HBO. The one show that I watch pretty regularly because it's on more than just for the regular ten episode season is less in the same vein is like the daily show but it's only once a week so there's less commitment to following along with what's going on and which is nice because I don't have a ton of time others in the early two thousands and then intern AOL eventually became defunct because it was phased out and it became just a footnote new watchmen series the natural that is the game of thrones but yet very casual relationship with company as far as HBO specific. I I've watched a number of different shows you pay attention to politics news and things like that because I'm too busy keeping up with too many other news related subjects so I would say that that's the show elite semi besides the Gavitt casual relationship with HBO. I know about the company and stuff like that game of thrones Sadistic I'm not a bandwagon at all means that they have even more money behind what they could potentially do that's not to say that they have unlimited budget or anything but this is something that watch but like I I watch game of thrones My wife was the one who convince me to watch that I just basically she told me what it was about and I was like okay let's get genus let's watch it as time progressed in we watched more and more and more seasons released she became less and less thrilled with the Oh game of thrones eventually the show surpassed the book series and then they were kind of coasting on their own ideas instead of I don't cable so it doesn't follow the same FCC restrictions so my parents were like yeah you know HBO's bad it's bad content for the longest time HBO and side I mean like I know Warner Brothers puts at a bunch of movies now they put out a bunch of cartoons it washes a kid I watch a lot of the CW shows you know come on through the source materials so that presented its own separate tunnels cast yes but yeah so game of thrones game of thrones I'm see to get a lot of really good high profile talent because they have the budget for it so you'll see shows like big little lies which is a series tonight with John Oliver which is I I'm pretty amusing because it's a take on current events but very yeah it's yeah exactly it's it's very much I was surprised to hear that sincere books she'd like the TV show version of game of thrones fans who really complain about it. Well watchmen to I I do watch currently I'm watching ballers and righteous gemstones the ballers is actually just about to end so we got a couple episodes she really really enjoyed the books and she was like we should check out this show and I was like okay and the first episode aired we watched as like wow that was pretty good I would enjoy watching they had Nicole Kidman Reese Witherspoon and those are very big high profile names when it comes to the you know the Detroit and I I I have no problem I generally if she tells me something's GonNa be pretty good then I know it's going to be pretty good because she has a she she is one of those people thank checked it out and binged all I seven seasons all at once preparing for the eighth in all the eighth in like a kind of wanted to it's still a great series now to be fair it at all that she thought that the show was true the books or anything like that it was the show was coming she had read the books Sir Apple TV plus episode talked about how the Assumption is that apple is trying to go in the direction of HBO where they're trying to nail down these real high profile if she reads a lot of books so she knows the source material she has a good understanding of what to expect so that's always a plus I could be totally different conversation in July there is a teaser video showed that they said that there was going to be content from TNT and TBS and Adult Swim Cartoon Network Boomerang the creators and high profile actors and actresses to be in the projects and to be linked to their projects with the hope to produce really good quality and and you know the the CW era verse shows could be better but they're fun hour so if it's been an hour during the week notes it's a little bit to watch Marie content like HBO does of course we're talking about each bill Max though which is going to include way more than just the HBO content that we has its while it has the name each show which will by itself is an established name because currently this was an interesting fact hbo direction certain characters and occasionally she would tell me like Oh this characters left out completely and I'd be like oh well tell me more but then eventually as we all know film to television you want to go the HBO route because you because each go has a certain sense of quality we talked about in the apple plus you see stuff you have new lying castlerock you've got more pictures they've got each be oh there's a lot of content that is going to be part of this ars or they have a lot more mature stuff that I could watch but now cancel it's been a lot of fun it's kind of my relationship with the next thing appropriate shakeup from HBO though is a very very long time it's been around since the eighties when it was back to be home box office where people were subscribing specifically not necessarily for original content he threw HBO now which is a standalone service that you don't need to have a subscription to a cable service to have their five million subscribers as of twenty eight oh currently has one hundred and forty million subscribers worldwide and that's the service that means anybody who's subscribing to it whether in for the longest time everyone's like game of thrones is the best and the second call that call the BS but I was wrong so that's the biggest may have an interesting interesting debate immune you've had off the air is is should of should warner media at and T. it's like real athletes as the guest stars that's GonNa call yeah the the other thing that HBO has a tendency the HBO Company by themselves they've had attendance pre nineteen thousand nine hundred seventy I think it is because of some deals that happened with Turkey communications in the eighties in the history of this company so that'll be An said twenty what is your familiarity with Hbo Products Warner Brothers Products Outside of one of the we all are aware of if you're aware of each other content the other content that you're going to see is you're gonNA see well at least from their teaser video that they showed back labeled their new streaming service after HBO Specifically Hbo. Max I remember we had the discussion yes let's just have that right now I mean like the while it's no longer called Warner brothers it's called water media the reality of it is that the company has been around a lot longer the overall the overcompensating name of course also has to do with the fact that while HBO has this established presence within like at least been known about fifteen million or twenty between fifteen to twenty million less than Netflix has worldwide and then of course the differences that HBO has been around for an hour should they have named an Hbo Max to be fair I thought that they were going to go warner something because Warner Brothers has been the company that has been around the long are better than warblers and I'm guessing it has to do with the quality of content that is associated with one brothers and that's part of the reason why time I think those are the three big ones of the consistently lead in the awards best TV shows you know best performances and actors for you know is my trying to compare one hundred and forty million subscribers the way they have them to what Netflix has because it's not the new media it's the old version of media and EH and they're all part of Warner not HBO HBO's The decision to go with that name is an interesting choice and the only thing I can think of is you know it's different it's like you know espn where it's like yeah it's a subscriber-based but it's a different type of thing going on so exactly and by no means I think it is because the quality of content that HBO's had over the years it's it further long time HBO and Stars and showed being crunchy roll there's other content from some of the other digital services that they have rooster teeth but then on top of that you have the film studio so you have the gene for HBO now but one hundred and forty million people subscribed to each people worldwide which is a really really large number when compared to some of the other companies that exist that's only movies but to get them for a television show it's restore Meryl Streep believers in the first season two which I mean when somebody talks about going from yes they went that decision and they went that route because HBO is a very well known brand and they thought it could carry the the service well can even with how slow that's been going on and then you have HBO Max which is coming out after Disney we wanna say it's a rival between these two companies the time has passed where I've warmed up to it because it makes more it makes more sense for a bit from a business standpoint mostly because initially I was looking at it from the perspective of that was my biggest hang up on it but I mean I especially now doing more research for this episode on top of just you know building a better knowledge base for does eight the name. Hbo Max Really Feel like it's all encompassing all these other brands that have never really been associated with HBO and it's it's a different type of subscriber audience you know it's not all right allie part of like the modern you know get my phone out binge-watch this podcast it comes down to it's nice to know where they're coming from from a business standpoint and understanding it so there's that anti it's more to prove how established the name of HBO is There's a lot of people across the world that know what Hbo are is and subscribed more for the ability to watch movies very very soon after the were in theaters and let's play devil's advocate that's a sexy brand name let's use that so I'm in favor of it long story short I think we're pretty much on the same page I think initially I was kind of taken aback by the name but I think now guest and while HBO was its own thing it was it wasn't it hasn't been it doesn't have the longevity of the name Warner brothers they're going the route that they are will it's better than the name peacock that's true in what do you think whole cable television shows even for some of the movies to nave always put a good content now it it's one of those where everyone I see it 'cause maybe a little bit too so I think he's a smart marketing play but by one media knowing that they are decidedly disadvantage in terms of time I mean to talk about like their their DC outside of the name there's a couple of other things that are kind of interesting to bring up so I I I wanNA talk about this because this is in very they made this announcement back in October of last year so just over a year ago at the time when they announced this it was very interesting because as I pointed out earlier which will get into in Christina me so initially when they announced that they were going to be doing a streaming service now this was not necessarily before it was after Disney being play I think that's a well known brand I don't think a lot of people realized yeah like new line is under one brothers you know DC's warner brothers we're already out there much smaller much more niche services in the sense that they appeal to a very very specific audience if you like Annemie you get this one any so that was the intent but some point it changed and when they came back to the table basically in July they said idea of tiered system is they wanna include the stuff that's hbo they can't drop the price of HBO in general because of how it works with the existing kid so all of that being said then the Middle Tier I assumed it was going to be the one where it would be more of the mid range probably like twelve thirteen fourteen dollars and that would left so that's what the rock right Yep with Iraqi and yeah it's interesting I read the couple interesting guests providers with the market the already in can't drop the price significantly so they offer a tier where you have an ad supported systems you like old cartoons get this you like comic books you get this one that's the way a lot of their other services work and I thought to myself here for some people but you know they put great content in you have that established you know Brian to it's like Oh yeah. Hbo Is the home of Game of thrones ballers the reality is that Warner Brothers has has always been the parent of all of these other companies including the Turner products and a lot of the other things like the some regard at the same time can you really have an HBO or a service that includes the the quality content that HBO provides that he had already announced that they were doing there but they made a big deal about how they were going to do it initially they announced it as it was going to be a three tiered system they didn't explain what the tears were they didn't say what the price is going to be but they specifically said it was going to be a three tiered system and that some aspect of it was going to be ad supported now for the longest time that at the time which are very very low but more on the lines of competing with the lower end side of Netflix or low end subscription Hulu they released hyping up the service showed that it was all encompassing service so you can't say it's HBO Max and not include Hbo at least Food Basically Everything but not yet supported and then the higher tier would have HBO content because HBO is a premium service and it costs the premium tears they're doing a single price and everyone is expecting to be somewhere in the neighborhood of sixteen seventeen dollars because it's going to include everything because there there video that yeah it's coming after Disney and so that's that's also not a good thing it's come in after apple so I think naming Hbo Max is a smart play as had to be fair they never actually said that they were completely getting rid of the tears but all industry analysts that were talking about at the time said well they're not doing it kind of put him on like okay. HBO is like the next level remember as a kid one I was kind of poor to HBO had you know it's it's a universe the DC side of their streaming service they launch like in this kind of our I wouldn't really classify excess it's nearly a failure either but you a little bit here h HBO Bawar Media owns a lot of other streaming services and the string services the other ones that they they own and no he's like very will raise shows and it's like okay we'll HBO's can have the service they're going to add more content my guile I'll hold onto that aw over welcome to the latest episode of the streaming worse I am destined joining me as always Tony and we are here to talk about or you can watch a lot of the stuff in its lower price system that can compete with a lot of these other services their existing and obviously we didn't know the price point for Disney plus or apple TV pluses the properties and our white brothers because the WB singing I know that they do movies but you know whatever apple is a big brand named Disney's big brand name okay we'll HBO's Big Four so at some point it shifted and they announced that it was shifting back in July around the same time that they announced that they were getting the streaming rights to has always been ad free and and somehow parrot with ads no because it it downplays the quality of what they're doing and what they the that brand has stood then you have access to the entire HBO Library they have those for a lot of the different stations or a lot of the different channels that they actually own but ones because there's a lot of them but there's a lot of services that they offer as far as the services that are linked to your provider so for example. Hbo On started this Podcast we've been talking about this stuff for a long period of time how do you feel about them changing from the tiered system to at least as far as of it being a standalone service that you pay you have access to cinemax content they have rooster teeth which is a more online media you mentioned how you know Warner Brothers has all these exhilarate streaming services I think you know I never want people lose jobs but sometimes you know going to go over every single one of those because you get the idea but the other ones so they have cinemax which also offers cinemax go which is the same idea part of the announcement video so the question is we I know we had talked about this when they announced this because we've been following the stuff for a long time even though we just warner media to overcome I mean I guess now's the best time to tackle some of these other services that they offer so outside of the fact that they have HBO manned in the sense of it's called Hbo go it's a Standalone APP where basically use your log in information from your eyes P and in turn l. like as I said earlier they already have four million or five million subscribers with that service that's basically if you WANNA watch HBO but you don't have cable that would be your avenue of being able watch you just pay it upfront and I believe it's fifteen dollars per month at this point on top of that you've got I'm not going to go into every single one of the in the sense of the for the amount of content that you get it's actually very inexpensive it's four dollars but they have over ten thousand episodes of contents now an all encompassing system I like it I mean I think more contents a good problem to have a I'm worried about the price we're getting a lot we're getting a lot of things people for all these different services when you can put them all in one so I think from the consolidation standpoints gonNA saw Save Warner media at and t. a lot of money so that that spoon where they would be producing a number of different shows or films for the service over time that also announced some of the older content that would be coming to the service but a lot of it was bring them all into just one service so that WB I wonder media isn't like a biting cost of keeping up and maintaining restructure is a bad idea no one likes it but in terms of Warner media I think it's GonNa be good because with this new service they can consolidate a lot of their services with the one in media and I'm worried about the price Disney's coming out six dollars apple's coming out with five dollars net flicks is rounds you know ten eleven company that produces a wide variety of different content their best known for the red versus blue series booming which is very inexpensive that cost is offset on the consumer but I'm still worried that it's going to be on the higher tier in this just another thing that's another obstacle for the only content that's not on there that's part of those properties is they don't have any of the superhero stuff because a lot of that stuff is overrun another service called DC universe from all kinds of old Hanna barbera cartoons were brothers cartoons mgm cartoons have a lot of content on there for the price you get so many scooby Doo which not only offers street in on demand options to watch but it also offers very large library of Comic Books Rich Verve is a service that connects a lot of the other smaller ones like boomerang rooster teeth crunchy roll they also have digital channels within the service itself but then there's also CWC which is they own fifty percent of that long with a CBS and that's basically from DC comics to read and that price is a little bit higher but in the sense of compared to some of the other smaller streaming services ah people always think these corporate corporate buyouts are bad and everyone loses chops like that that that does suck recognize that but I think it's good easily be consolidated if they're all under the same banner of hypothetically Hbo Max which quite honestly I feel like that's the direction for a lot of these because exclusive online content specifically made for the CW but doesn't actually air on the CW so there's some animated shows that are that tie into some of the the a lot of right they have streaming rights to a lot of other older ninety s cartoons for Nickelodeon and some other things that have their own special in his you can buy a service without having to have cable where you have access to channels on television needless to say when you look at the larger parent company there's a lot of companies that there's a lot of services that to HBO offers as twenty we've seen a lot of these companies for for Warner brothers warning media sometimes have a have a moment to be okay where are we as a company in yeah you have an outside force that comes into your company's GonNa Restructure you know so far I'm just worried I think it's going to have to have a price there's one thing that I we haven't really talked about but I think it's going to help this conversation is but the library is a huge thing that you don't get within the other services down have crunchy roll which specializes in producing animate they own verve while individually these services are creating content if they were part of a larger service they could still create content focused on creating content and focused less on the the back end of things and the business side of things they could just focus on creating content for the service so depends lower tier you know that's where the market is right now I'm worried HBO is going to be on the higher into the market in there already at a disadvantage the name HBO's only me get there get them catalogue of BBC Properties doctor who luther top gear the British version of office dot and all of that stuff is going to be available on Hbo Max Alexa Box and get the content and save yourself some money if you were subscribing to the larger service that is not the direction that seems to be that does not seem to be the direction that Jio Max ever since this announcement back in July so I completely agree with the idea of consolidating things I mean I don't want people lose their jobs either obviously shows that are already existing does as well as original properties but then on top of that there's also direct TV now which just recently changed his name to at and T. TV now the large for the larger platform they could still subscribe to the smaller service for their more niche specific service that they want to get their content from get rid of the the smaller services all you can consolidate them down to the original content can be found on the larger platform and if people don't want to be as I was doing some research I found out that one media also just made a long term deal with BBC studios where after the basically the entire taking at this point so I would say by all means consolidate some of the stuff because there's a lot of content and on top of that just broad content that they already have they've secured streaming rights for the Big Bang Theory and friends which was a huge deal there's a lot of content that they have and they're not that is very high in comparison to everything else that's out there peacock has specifically stated that they will have ad-supported they will have ads it's something you know a tear or support or something insensitive keeping the price down there has been talk at all about Ed support at all within each Dr who you have all of the DC collection all of Doled Warner Media Collection Boomerang and stuff those are all different brands you know I think as well as the future seasons of doctor who after they initially run a BBC America so they're making deals on top of the massive amount of and that's a great property you have going back a few episodes and we talked about Disney in how the bought all these different companies that they bought and they're not holding back and potentially getting more content outside of the realm of what they have as well which is a big deal because you compare that to somebody like Apple TV plus which does I wanna get any outside content it's it's a it's like night and day year that's I didn't know about the doctor who thing I had so many friends seen through the original content that they have already listed specifically for it there's a bunch of shows that they have planned that they've talked about for quite some time but which is the TV side of things one of others produces a massive amount of shows and a lot of people don't realize that one of others is one of the few companies that has that's where people need to start going if I remember correctly the conversation while back where we're talking about Warner Brothers Warner Brothers Day license if you were to add up a lot of the services that they offer if you were paying sixteen seventeen dollars it's a really good price by twenty point out it's still shows on every major network that's out there they have shows on CBS they have shows on NBC they have shows I don't well ABC might be the one that what there will still need to be a reason back when it was a tiered system the idea of a tooth system or you can have these other services you could just tack them on for maybe a couple at the same time when you're going into a service like this the alternative of course is that you no longer can create you can no longer have the content at all now it's not to say you have to stations and then these these channels will pay money to warner brothers for them to have the content and the of the streaming rights for that though when they wrote this contracts then we're thinking about streaming age they weren't thinking about hey you know we're going to we're never owned service and provide this content ourselves you know doled contracts was paying for the distribution

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Death and How to Plan for the Inevitable

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Death and How to Plan for the Inevitable

"This episode of Motley Fool answers is brought to you by molecule molecules reimagining the future of clean air starting with the air purifier for seventy five dollars off your first order visit M. O. L. E. K. U.. L. E. DOT COM and enter the Promo Code. Fool seventy. I Five Motley fool answers. I'm out in south and joined is always by Roberto. Campo personal finance says dummy. Oh all right is this in this episode is our final in the series on major life events and I mean really final molly fil wealth planners is Megan Richfield and John Gates join us to talk about planning for death all that and more on this week's episode of Mali points so bro what's up what else and guess what I have three things for you right number. One party like it's nineteen thirty eight so you may remember from our may seventh episode. I said party like it's nineteen eighty-seven because the performance of the S&P five hundred from January two April was the best since nineteen eighty-seven but then came may which was the Pooper at the Party S. and P.. five-hundred was down six point five percent but then June came oh instead. Let's get this party restarted and tell me how did Michael Rates Popularity Nineteen fifty four what's that from we're dealing with other show and she just talked for our on how different and then in nineteen forty two three hundred fifty eight Ezekiel minute comeback no and we will do I was just crying is laughing so hard and she just kept going. Yes going. I remember anyways so June this past you five hundred returned six point nine percent. It was the best June since one thousand nine hundred eighty five but the Dow return seven point two percent the best June for the Dow since one thousand nine hundred thirty eight so pretty amazing June also means that where he reached the midpoint of the year so halfway through the S. and P. five-hundred turned eighteen point four percents best I six months since nineteen ninety-seven but it's not just the five hundred small caps mid-caps international stocks bonds were up six point one percent so this is only the ten times nineteen eighty they both stocks and bonds or up more than five percent in the first half the year oil is up twenty five percent gold at a six year high lead one Reuters writer to say this is the best first half for financial markets ever. It's just been extraordinarily good year but to be any kind of off alizer adviser here not a whole lot of authorizing. That's it just a good year to be invested in fact there's even more good news which leads me to number two and that is longest expansion ever so this mark month marks one hundred twenty first month of the current recovery which began in June of two thousand nine that surpasses the hundred twenty month expansion that happened from the nineties and with DOT COM crash this makes it the longest economic expansion on record record starting eighteen fifty four that said the its strength is not matched by its length so in terms of how much it's grown G._D._p.. Has Grown about twenty four percent or so less than half of the expansion of the nineties and <hes> the the strongest expansion in the sixties where the mark they G._D._p.. Grew over fifty percent so still very impressive though that it has gone on as long as it has that said there are some concerns that it's beating out a little bit which is why the Fed has hinted that it may actually cut rates that said about the bond market is not waiting interest rates have been going down at some point earlier in July the ten year treasury fell below two percent for the first time to since two two thousand sixteen the drop interest rates is part of what has fueled the surge in the stock market as well as the bond market 'cause when rights go down bonds go up so generally in the short term it's good the only thing that is not so good about that is that we're already starting you see the yields on savings accounts go down Goldman Sachs with its marcus account. Ally Bank has already started blowing the rates on their cash accounts so you may want to lack in some of these quote unquote higher rates not very high but by getting a one year to year C._D.. Because I do expect the rates and savings account to go down. That's number two number three totally different topic battling loneliness with benches in Britain so social isolation is actually a significant health issue according to A._A._R._p.. Can have the same impact is smoking looking fifteen cigarettes a day. Oh because it can lead to hire more heart disease high blood pressure even dementia. The American Psychological Association says that up to forty percent of Americans over the age forty five suffer from chronic loneliness. Oh no this sad but people all of any age compete feel lonely so the jolly folks in the United Kingdom have decided to combat this by naming a minister of loneliness something we mentioned about a year ago on the show but there's even a more recent <hes> initiative that read about an England that is the establishment of chat benches basically putting benches in parks with a sign that says something along the lines of the happy to chat bench sit here. If you don't mind someone stopping by to say hello yeah so according to an article on Mental floss Dot Com for people who feel isolated in their daily lives the benches aren't opportunity make connection with someone new and they also give people who want to help the lonely members of their community away to do so one of the towns in England that's doing this is called Behrmann see so the Berna Muncie police community support officer Tracy Grobler said the science simply helps break down the invisible social barriers that exists between strangers who find themselves sharing commonplace simply stopping by say hello to someone at the chat bench could make a huge difference to the vulnerable people in our communities and help help them make their life a little bit better so reading this article led me to another mental floss article about the increase <hes> amount of multi generational playgrounds or even playgrounds geared towards older folks with like ellipticals and and Dan Stationary bikes same sort of intention partially exercise with party to get people out get social. which is this love because hopefully soon in the future? I won't be the only person overcharge year old swing and swings things because I love swings. I can't do it anymore. I get nauseous. I love it. I Love jumping-off swings. I love doing backflips offerings. Love it anyways fifty remember that don't tell anyone and that else what's up here. Swinging days almost <music> over this episode of multiple answers is brought to you by molecule molecule has introduced a breakthrough science that is finally capable of destroying air pollutants at a molecular level through molecules reinvented air purifier molecule doesn't just collect elect air pollutants it destroys them this includes viruses bacteria gashes chemicals and mold when you turn on molecule. You're creating the purest air possible combating allergy season by destroying them in your home allergens that is molecule is easy to use and also has a clean sleek modern design. 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It's time to talk about not only about how to prepare for it yourself but how to help those around you and a little bit about how to <hes> I don't know it's just all this just all so much and tough and emotional and financial all the same time so let's just get into it. Shall we all right so I we're gonNA talk about yourself and how to prepare yourself for death and it's all about those financial documents isn't that right Megan absolutely so we talked to people quite frequently involved just having this area kind of buttoned up and it's one of those things people put off forever because they don't WanNa think about their own death. I mean imagine that <hes> but it's something that's so important figuring out for the people left behind what you want to happen to all these assets because if you think about not doing that like what's the alternative year just like I'm leaving. I'm dead. I'm not gonNA care anymore right but the people left behind then have to deal with two big burdens one is the fact that you're out there and the second is they don't know what you wanted to happen. All these things so the big three documents are having a will a medical directive and a power of attorney and then if you have particular feelings about out <hes> being resuscitated having D._n._R.. On file is really helpful <hes> we can get into specifics. I don't know if Sean How's stuffed add there. I just wanted to jump in with a story from client and it's not exactly related slated to the will and the medical directive but <hes> this was more trust work which is another set of documents that you can have in place to kind of distribute your assets and there's some other benefits but mostly distribute assets and in this case. I think it's relevant to know that at least from my experience death seems to happen quicker than most people expect so I think when you get at death's door you might think that it's a slower process because you WANNA fight it. You WanNa be optimistic about what's happening but <HES> I had a client who was diagnosed with cancer and <hes> the prospects on the initial treatment looked good so we kind of delayed implementing some things <hes> she was in the process of getting remarried <hes> and so. <hes> all of these things kind of just kept getting pushed back and she passed suddenly and the documents weren't quite in the way that we had hoped now luckily we were able to adjust some of the beneficiary information on her more more named accounts but <hes> the trust documents weren't quite there and the amount of effort that we had to go through to actually get the assets distributed in the way that she wanted was tremendous. <hes> normally a trust document you have of to name successor trustees and in order to get a successor trustee named you have to notify every beneficiary of your trust document and in some cases that could be a hundred people it could be several charities and getting a hold of the charities is very difficult <hes> and so it's just a huge process and something I wanted to alert people to <hes> so that they're paying attention to it yet and I mean one of the reasons that I am here. Talking about death is because of a personal personal experience that my dad died last year and <hes> he did have a d._N._R.. In place and about a year and a half before he actually passed he had a real scare and the D._N._R.. That he had on file was a copy not the original and so they didn't honor it and then we went down to the next path so he's in the hospital you know with resuscitation procedures and the medical directive is in a lawyer's office somewhere so you know I'm supposed to be the person making decisions and the person that's actually being called is like my brother who hasn't been in the picture for awhile so I think those types of things like it sounds really easy like I'm going to do this document and I'm GonNa put it in a safe somewhere but it's important to have it actually accessible by the people that need it very quickly. It's crazy that you have to have like the actor. What do you mean by? The actual document like did have to be notarized. They had to hold up to the light until that it was actual inc like you couldn't yeah this is really surprising to me that like <hes> the E._M._T.'s when they came to <hes> take my dad to the hospital they check like is there a d._n._R.. On file and I don't know what they did to say like this is a copy. This isn't the original or you know everyone. When you're in like a nursing home facility you have these big binders full of paperwork and it's like up to the person that's on call at the time to kind of flip through and find the right thing so it's just a matter of like even if you have everything lined up which a lot of people don't even have these basic documents but when you do make sure your <hes> checking on them periodically especially if you're handing them off to another party? That's going to be responsible at the point. They're needed. I let's move onto beneficiaries right so <hes> inspired by this event somewhat I I personally did a beneficiary review of my accounts and one of the things that I think a lot of people forget is your beneficiary designations. Resignations are going to trump anything that you have in your will <hes> and that's true mainly for retirement accounts but could also be true for like annuities <hes> really anything that you're naming a beneficiary that is going to be what happens and and then for taxable accounts you can actually set up <hes> beneficiaries through titling so if you have a joint account with right of survivorship that is a title that prevents you from going through probate and and <hes> accelerates the passage of that asset to the other <hes> named party on the account. There's also what's called a transfer on death or pay on death designation that you can go through for taxable brokerage accounts <hes> and doing that that can really expedite <hes> passing assets after your death and something that's been in the news a lot lately is social media accounts and what do you do when someone you care about has passed on their social. Media accounts live on Yeah Yeah. This is such a big issue and it's one of those things where the companies themselves are kind of in a bind because they can't violate your privacy rules and say like Oh so and so has passed like here's their whole email history <hes> so now what's being done you a little bit more intention <hes> around this from companies so facebook in particular has kind of this memorial account that you can set up you can never you're not supposed to I should say <hes> log into someone else's count <hes> without them there <hes> so you can't actually gain access to you know your relatives account facebook account after they pass you can only set up like this memorial account and be <music> Adleman of it and then for g mail. They're not just giving access to g mail. You can set these rules that say like if I'm inactive certain period of time like assume I'm gone and it will notify someone that you set up as a trusted contact <hes> but even then you have to be pretty explicit about what you want them to be able to access so once you get some forms in place and these things I imagine you should talk a lot to people about what you want. Yeah just throw a party. I actually don't have snacks drinks. Everything will go down better surprise yeah yeah so if you think about <hes> you know in all of this we've talked about what do you want to happen to your assets and things <hes> but we haven't really talked about what you want to happen to your physical body. <hes> and there are more options than you might think <hes> <hes> so a lot of people <hes> think like okay I need to be buried or cremated and kind of end at that <hes> and one option that <hes> I was made aware of is body donation or body bequeath oil so you could actually if you want to donate your body to science <hes> register with a university that has a medical school and they will accept your body and use it for scientific purposes and then <hes> depending on the school will they can <hes> send you the crew Maine's after they've completed the research but the purpose is really you're helping medical students learn more intricately about the body and could lead to scientific advances one interesting thing so I think they're my both of my parents wanted to donate their bodies to science because they just don't care about their physical form. I guess <hes> and they were not aware that you have to register ahead of time so you have to have a program to accept it <hes> and in most cases if you're a registering with the program that's local. There's no cost to the family of this program. <hes> in my dad's case he had to register for a program that was across the state line so you have to pay for transportation but it's still relatively cost effective compared to even cremation <hes> so for people who are are you know maybe just financially limited in terms of the choices that they have <hes> that could be a an option and then another consideration is just you in most cases cannot both be an organ donor and hand donate your body to science <hes> and that can cause some some discussion for sure so I I would just add <hes> when in talking about your final plans. I know we get to this a little bit later in the discussion but <hes> talking with more than just your family is super relevant and especially about you know how graceful you want to exit and what you might want to do to preserve it so in some of the cases with clients that idea with <hes> you know they're not ready to go so and so they will take extreme measures and this could be a financial burden so for example if you get cancer or some <hes> medical diagnosis perhaps you sign up for an experimental trial and it takes place in Mexico and so you cafe to travel to Mexico medical tourism is becoming a very large thing <hes> but most of those <hes> treatments are not covered by traditional insurance and so it puts a fairly significant strain on what already is potentially depleting asset base and those are just knock on affects of these conversations because then you might have talked to their family about what your financial situation looks like but then it changes dramatically in the last three months and so he should just make sure you're keeping everyone up to date about what you're willing to go through what you want to accomplish in the last moments it gives you are the type of person who have you haven't done all this yet and you need some other motivation. It really is a gift to your family to do a lot of this and to have these discussions because you wanted to have the discussions because if there's any disagreement about either who gets what or how your remains will be handled or any that you want that all worked out now because something I've personally seen as lot of disagreement men and a lot of issues after someone dies fights among the family members that go on for years that could have been resolved while the person was alive say like this is what I want to happen in this is why if you don't like it. Let's work that out now and that's all taken care of now yeah. I'm dealing with that personally now my dad he's not that old but he wants me to be the executor just because I'm a little bit more financially savvy <hes> and he has a particular set of distribution rules that he has in place and he talks to me about it but he doesn't talk to the other beneficiaries about it and like we should probably talk to them that doesn't want to so I have to basically break his trust and go talk to them directly because it's it's going to cause problems in the end if we don't so having those conversations nations pre-emptively is important for those who don't have a son that they can rely on. That's a professional wendy you call in a professional and when why should I'm up for adoption so we hear from a lot out of potential clients about the fact that they feel really comfortable managing their affairs while they're alive but worry about how their spouse might <hes> handle inheriting all these assets. Maybe they haven't been involved with management of might not know. What to do with and that's really a point where we get involved ahead of time? Someone might think you know way ahead of time and say well you know my dad died when he was seventy five and I'm seventy now so maybe I should get someone involved. I am particularly and I think Sean has been in this situation where people call because they've had a diagnosis for sure so it can be that extreme if you have a tight handle on your your own finances his <hes> but in a lot of cases. It's helpful to have an objective third party especially if you haven't had any of these conversations with your family <hes> that's another time where we're kind of brought in almost as a mediator for these conversations nations <hes> not just between spouses but between generations as well all right. Let's <hes> shift and talk a bit about what you can do. If you are carrying for someone who is in decline yeah I think this apply to more and more people we even have slack channel here at the full for people who know that yeah for parents are parents. <hes> so it's mainly aimed at the generation is taking care of their aging parents but there are also people that I know of in situations where they might have sibling <hes> who is just not as able to take care of themselves needs help <hes> but if you're on the situation where you're going to be a caregiver <hes> just keep in mind the <hes> that is not a small task. That's not something you can do after work sometimes <hes> particularly as someone is kind of in their last stages of decline at might require that you're there more kind of around the clock <hes> and said some important questions to consider from a financial perspective. Are you know what does your workplace allow in terms of flexibility for being able to you know maybe relocate and work remotely or work part time. <hes> does your employer offer. We're bereavement. Leave <hes> and you know that's ultimately kind of ended life but for you know that process where someone's really ill. Can you take family medical. Leave <hes> that's something that is required by law that you have up to twelve weeks of unpaid leave and you can come back to your job. <hes> but twelve weeks of unpaid leave for a lot of people is really a nonstarter you know going three months without receiving a paycheck and on top of that the emotional burden of being a caretaker and being there fulltime can really take toll and I don't think many people think through the consequences like obviously if you get a call that a loved one is you know declining you you most of the time WanNa drop everything be there <hes> and thinking through what the what the financial ramifications of that would be <hes> as a prudent cask yeah I would also. I think it could be easy for people listening to it has to be like well I I don't I'm not going to be a caregiver. Why do I care but you very easily could be a caregiver by default? <hes> so I mean a lot of people haven't put the plans in place and so if you're someone son or daughter or brother or sister Mr <hes> you might be the only person willing to give the time <hes> and so just these these rules should apply to everyone <hes> because you could be a caregiver. We'll say one of my friends just <hes> sent around her they will she wrote it herself. She wrote out a full program for her memorial service wow and was basically like the exactly as <hes> Robert mentioned. You know. This is my gift to you. I don't want you to have to worry about it. If I pass <hes> in the same email she nominated me as executor of state and also kind of like a proxy caregiver you know kind of just an intermediary as well and it's not a surprise to me but it <hes> may have been surprised to other people in family if she hadn't talked to them about it. He talked a little bit about the what an executor has to do like how much of a burden is that someone could be quite a lot of work they can and really it has the highest level tying up someone's affairs after they pass and making sure that all of their assets get distributed per their documentation so not necessarily per their wishes. If their wishes don't match the documentation you have to go by the documentation <hes> but it's a process that <hes> is very legal in nature so and it really depends on the amount of assets that someone had so. I guess technically I'm an executor for my dad but there's really nothing to distribute so that was a pretty easy process. <hes> the file tax return right if you <hes> so tax returns are not necessarily required heard at the <hes> the person themselves has to file month person themselves but did I. The dead person has like something the I._R._S. that has to file a final tax return <hes> if they had income that year are and then if you're a state is above a certain level than you would file an estate tax return <hes> so if you have very low income from the estate at similar to trust for a tax filing purposes <hes> that if the state has income less than three hundred fifty dollars you don't have to file a tax return but the estate files a tax return while it's in the process of distributing all the assets Oh. I hope no one ever asked me to be their executive right like I would know what to do. Okay yeah sure well it'll veer executor and then they're den then. I'm like well. I don't know what to do. Do I have to call up their their company. They're 4. Do I have to go and like do work with all of their accounts and brokerage and I got a call all of the file a tax return and all that yeah you gotta go through probate so like my mom still hasn't pervaded her mom's <hes> property. That's like out in Kansas because you have to go to probate Corden Kansas so ooh. That sounds horrible. It's like if you own a truck all your friends ask you to help them move and if you're the one financially savvy friend everyone asks you to be the executor at this point so we should say that any state planning we think should be done by qualified lied attorney right. There are some situations. I guess it's okay to go online and get the online was but for the most part I I recommend you get legal help and I would say that's probably the case for most people who are executors especially if the estate has any assets complicated all especially if there's property and multiple states there are people who will help you go through this process because I know I'm the I'm the executor for at least two estates and I certainly planning on getting help. If when that Tom COM executive that would be honored. I'M NOT GONNA ask you wouldn't streaky right. I mean even finding an estate. Planning attorney can be fairly daunting task because there are trust mills out there. I'm not saying that that's common but I mean you just there's all these decision trees that you have to go oh through another common thing that we get with clients as <hes> in terms of the executor is you have to provide the the death certificate and get this is one of those cases where it can't be a copy in most cases so you have to get the originally have twelve original copies as to be able to provide each institution. It's just it's a huge pain in the but yeah it really is and and and in most states the executor can be paid from the estate and sometimes I am a situation where someone's like. I feel I feel guilty. Doing that and I'm like you should not feel guilty because you are working very hard to settle this estate yet. I think I think Sean also has a story about kind of corporate trustees corporate executors <hes> and I think it's a really hard business to be in <hes>. I've seen a ton of articles recently about you know biggest dates where the beneficiaries are actually suing the corporate executor because they feel like the state it was mismanaged took too long to distribute wasn't distributed properly. They charge too much for the <hes> for the services so it can be really sticky and so if you don't have like a financially savvy friend you might. I just think I'll just hire company to do this but companies. Don't really have a strong incentive to do it because it's so messy yeah I had forgotten about that. <hes> so the in this case the the client had an attorney that they worked with <hes> and I kept kind of bothering them that they need to meet up with this attorney to get their documents in place and I said Oh no no don't worry about it. I have a corporate <hes> kind of relationship and process and I was like okay great and so it it was with <hes> Wells Fargo and <hes> it turns out when the eventuality came we went to wells Fargo and said you know hey who what are you doing and their response was A. We're not doing anything and we're or like why and response was the estate of this client isn't over two point five million dollars and we don't work with clients who don't have two point five dollars and that was it. I just shut the door so yeah. It's a pretty it cold world right. I Love Resources G recommend people go to for more for more advice and guidance yeah so I think one of the great resources which hasn't been mentioned yet is <hes> a letter from and we'll your retirement days and I think Robert should jump in on that yeah so we've mentioned on the show before but one of the very first earliest subscribers to retirement was bob has miller just a great guy <hes> and every year he wrote a letter to his wife. If who is not as as financially savvy she was very professionally successful but she just was not into all this stuff and he's he laid out. This is where all our documents are where our insurance policies are if you need any help these are the people talk to me updated it every year so that that she had something to work from. If something happened to him very tragically he was killed by accident when he was age seventy so his wife sue was able to access that document and so <hes> we publish it. It's part of time but we publish it for free full dot com you can find it. W._W._W.. Dot Full Dot com slash retirement slash letter dot A._s. p._X.. And provide the whole template because Bob actually wrote a couple of explanations of how he doesn't it's very helpful and just and I've been following it since you know for years years not exactly but even when I went on vacation <hes> a month ago I sent an email to my sister Los Angeles. I'm happens. This is where you go to find all the documents you need my will and all that stuff happens. You'll be happy happy to know. This is just <hes> sort of spread among full culture because I reviewed someone else's letter yeah another full came to me and was like I wrote the letter you know. Do you WANNA take a look at it and it was like I if if you you don't see it as an invasion of privacy yes I really want to read it part of it is just there's so much that you have all your accounts all your things and if something happen you would people know where to find it. I was talking to someone and he was it was a financial planner. He was saying someone he works with had a young kid in the family just casually mentioned that he had this account where he was trading like crypto currency and stuff like that but whatever like was the only mention of this account anywhere and unfortunately there's young person passed away but if didn't have that one mentioned they would've never known in existed and and and every financial services firm has all these basically dead accounts because someone passed away or forgot about them and no one this touch them for years of not decades and controversial take a little bit. These documents are really nice to have in place so often when I'm taking a call from customer because they're prompted to have US manage assets for the benefit of their spouse or loved one it always is interesting to me that they this partner of theirs. They view as almost unable to talk about it and like why don't we consider bringing them on the phone like let's loop them into the conversation. You've self certified that they are just desperately avoiding talking about finances but I think we should be more open to the idea of having people kind of uniform elite talk talk about finances both your husband and wife or partner <hes>. It doesn't have to be some third party because you deem the other partner do not want to do it and I think specifically what the topic of death the U._S. is unique in its avoidance of the topic whereas when we I've noticed when I talked to international clients or folks that have immigrated to the U._S.. They're like yeah when I kicked the bucket. Here's what's going to happen and dotted edited out. There's no shyness around the topic or much less us. I would say on average <hes> whereas in the U._S. There's this presumption that if we talk about death you must be wishing it upon the other person or something and so it's really avoided and we joked a little bit about like having a party to talk about like what you want to happen when you die but I don't actually see that as being like that far fetched of an idea I might actually plan one. I'll invite you all powerpoint. Presentation Charts and powerpoint kills a party ready. I found point we fun with it. In terms of other kind of resources. I'll put a <hes> sort of a pitch out there for book that I found really helpful full as a caretaker watching someone in their last days <hes> and it is called final gifts and it's a book that's been written by a couple of hospice nurses just about what to expect when someone someone is in their last days and <hes> things that sound really crazy. Aren't that crazy actually at that stage in life wonderful. Did you want to add something. I don't think we mentioned but obviously if you haven't considered talking with a professional national professional would be someone who's good to talk to either financial advisor directly with estate planning attorneys. These are just steps. You should take have the conversation see where it goes and get a uninformed decision. Thanks guys for coming in <hes>. I'm GonNa do you a little <hes> disclosure and all that good stuff but I'm GonNa ask you guys to stick around so we can end on a slightly happier now. It's a sound good all right our sister company Motley fool wealth management is a registered investment adviser that can help put your financial plan and investing needs in the context of your big life transitions if you've enjoyed learning for Megan and Sean or the other motley fool wealth management planners we've had on the show you can get even more of them. In your life visit full wealthed dot com slash radio at full wealthed dot com slash radio you can find podcast notes and resources sources and even book a No obligation appointment which sean or Megan or another planner. You've probably heard on the show please consider the risk cost and suitability of investments before choosing any investment professionals all investments involve risk and may lose money. Molly full wealth management does not guaranteed the result of any of its advice or account management all right. I promise that we were going to end on it slightly happier now. Okay all right so we're going to test your <hes>. Knowledge of crazy will requests and so I pull all of these. He's from a mental floss article by Ethan Tracks <hes> so thank you ethan tracks. I'm just cribbing everything from you all right. Are you ready Henrik Hein. The German poet left his entire fortune to his wife but with one catch catch she had to remarry because Rick. Do you WANNA play because no I don't WanNA play. Do you say it was a poet use as a poet he was gonna leave her his entire fortune but she had to remarry before she could get the money because they were never actually married he wanted they didn't have an air and he wanted air no and he wanted all the poetry to still be true stuff to be tragic yeah he said because then there will be at least one man to regret my death. Oh <music> do all right next one s sanborn nineteenth century New England hatter made a macabre bequest to his friend a pair of drums made from his own skin. The friend received received further instructions to go to bunker hill each June seventeenth and play what song on the drums years this nineteenth century well Yankee doodle. I guess very good. I don't know how you play Yankee doodle Dandy on a drum but it sounds like good getting what's on and nothing like that you are the Canadian attorney. Charles mylar died childless bachelor but he left five hundred sixty eight thousand dollars to the mother who gave birth to the most children in Toronto in the ten years following his death in nineteen twenty eight eight. This bequests prompted Canadians called the baby derby as Mother's race to win the fortune finally in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight four winter split the prize after giving birth to how many babies apiece so the most babies in ten years following his death well so if we say one a year it's ten but we got. We Wanna be even more surprised. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go thirteen babies babies onto prices uh-huh right twelve one dollars one baby. The answer is nine nine right. Maybe on the twins all right. It's not clear how Henry but originally made two two hundred thousand pounds but when he died in eighteen sixty two he left his fortune to his two sons on the condition that they never grow what beards yeah we'd Bitcoin yes that neither sullied their lips with a mustache close beard is close last one Burgos Win Longtime Comic Book Writer and Editor. Mark gruenwald died in Nineteen ninety-six fans of marvel comics probably thought they'd the last of the former Captain America writer Gruenwald had other ideas though what did he request be done with his ashes turned into a comic book. If it was Hunter Interest Thompson it'd be shot from a Canon but but it's not turned into a shield. When was this ninety-six putting the movie somehow I want to send turned into a shield? I'M GONNA give it to Megan. He had his ashes mixed into the ink to be used to print the first trade paperback anthology of squadrons supreme one of his landmark creations to Megan so again I never I keep score so I guess we're all winners. Did you hear the very recently one of the actresses in Willy Wonka passed away the one who played violet beauregard <hes> but she she has died very poor so the family is asking for money so that her <music> Azziz can be made into a glass sculpture so you go find that gofundme page and you can contribute to that if he'd like. I think there's other things I should spend blueberry good well Sean. Thank you so much for joining us in for capping off our series on major life events. This has been <hes> agreed series. We've gotten a lot of good feedback from people on it. Thank you for doing it glad to contribute with all right. 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10/28/20 Jerry Bott talks election/polls/law and order.

The Mark Belling Show

2:03:52 hr | 9 months ago

10/28/20 Jerry Bott talks election/polls/law and order.

"Afternoon Milwaukee, this is the mark belling lists late afternoon show here on news talk seven, thirty W I said, don't send me emails. The emails will pour in and they will say something like this. How in God's name? Did you let mark belling take the day off six days before the most important election in American history You couldn't manage your way out of a wet paper sack if you made that decision. Here's the do. This was a day that marked needed for a significant personal reason. It was set up a couple of months ago. It literally had to happen this day election or not. And then I'll ask you this. Why do you think it is that all of these Gibran is that work at Wfan work here for decades at a time. I've been here thirty two years come Sunday. belling going on his thirty second year. How long have you been here for? Thirty years this past. April. Jay has been here thirty. More people have passed away to get out of the building then have quit. So. What would my choice of been mark really needed this day off. What if I would said? No, you can't have that day off for this important personal reason that you set up two months in advance you have to work. All that does is. When you are in a workplace, you want to have a relationship with the management that fosters goodwill and the fact of the matter is one of the reasons that this radio station has risen to unprecedented levels of success. I mean I'll be candid with levels of ratings success that I'd never thought possible. Paul, are you aware of the ratings have said the last two or three months? Allies? Just amazing I mean well, yeah. Number one but just like every demographic were not number one in like. Twelve to seventeen year old female listening. It's probably some hip hop stations like that but everything anybody else with money listens to the radio station at least. In part. But one of the things you want in any workplace is a relationship management were goodwill is fostered and the result of that is that employees who feel as though they have a goodwill relationship with their employer. Actually, begin to give a poop about the process about the the customers the audience in this case. And one of the reasons rations done so well is we've got a bunch of people who actually care. Now. In this particular case, I not going to tell you what marks doing, but it was something that was very important that had to be done today. So that's why I'm here. He's going to be there tomorrow. He's here on Monday he's here on Tuesday. You're all sorts of opportunities to hear what he thinks about the election and his handicapping of it and and that sort of thing. So anyway. That's Kind of where it to where it goes and for those of you and I don't mean to shoot myself in the head I. Think shows can be pretty good. I mean I've got my notes in front of me. I. have an idea where we're going with the program. But for those of you who are bitterly disappointed marks out here, I apologize for that. It was a set of circumstances that could not have been avoided. We will do our best to entertain you. We'll do our best to bring you insight and analysis on a very, very important time not only. In the history of the country more locally in the history of the State of Wisconsin as you heard Nicole Coal Business report the market tainted today dollar down almost a thousand. Nine forty three that's three point four, three percents One of the things is going on is that there is concern among investors that. Because of the way, Corona viruses tracking, not just an in the United States across the globe. That's good. There's going to be some significant economic impact and some earnings. for businesses moving forward, I, would suggest to you. that. Well let me say this. Those who have advised me. On. My modest portfolio. And I asked the question to going into the same several weeks ago. Hey L. Proxima, my money on the sidelines in case Biden wins. And the universal thing that came back to me was well. You know what? At this stage? With regard to the maturity of this particular market, any downturn may actually be a buying opportunity and you might want to stand pat now that's just me. I'm getting kind of old I've been by early sixties now, and if I took a really significant of my portfolio went down by half I don't have seven more years to recover. So you take all those things into consideration but You know I see something like this where the Dow went down nearly three and a half points a percentage points I start calculating how much how much loss that was on paper for my for one My 401k in it's It's never a pretty sight but nonetheless. It's It's something we live with and nothing to panic over. The one thing I can do absolutely as competently as Mr Belly maybe even more. So is give out the contest word in the fall and cash contests in a timely fashion and I'm going to do that right now before I give you the word I, want to let you know that we had another wins and winner in the fall fortune cash contest Y-, Paul even the syndicated hosts are getting in on the act. Kelly Skibbe of new Berlin was listening to Sean Hannity show last night in the eight o'clock hour. That's the last time of the day that we play the game and Kelly's edgy was selected as the nationwide winner. She gets the thousand bucks and she's also the seventeenth wfan winner in this contest cycle seventeen winners in seventeen days a winner a day in the contest being played by eight hundred and fifty other radio stations. That's pretty pretty incredible stuff. Hannity one. You thrown down the gauntlet that he's no good. He's the least talented guy on the radio station and that's why he's not getting anywhere now. Yeah. I. Mean it's just amazing how the depth of listening we have. People in the evening listening to the radio station syndicated programming are actually winning this contest, which is a nationwide deal. Anyway, here's the three o'clock word. You have forty seven minutes roughly to the top of the hour to text in this word, if you choose to play the fall fortune cash contest. The word for this hour is rich R I C H rich. Sure Thousand Bucks would make you rich, but it certainly wouldn't hurt text the word rich R I C H to this number two, hundred, two, hundred before the top of the hour and if you do so you will be playing the fall fortune cash cash-conscious don't text and drive don't text and walk don't do other stuff. Just do it when it's nice and say you. Don't have to concentrate at anything else text the word rich to two, hundred, two, hundred. And if you're entry is selected the nationwide winner, you win a thousand dollars like seventeen other wins. Winners have done in a little over the three weeks of this current contests contests cycle Jews. To. In the fall I in cash contests, you'll get a text confirming entry plus iheartradio information standard. Data and message rates apply in this nationwide contest. One more time the word is rich are is h rich text that two, hundred, two, hundred before. The top of the cars are calling in thanking me for giving out the word before three forty well, mark use that as a as a a time spent listening extension tool. He's probably doing it right. I probably doing it wrong. What what what I should do is is keep on teasing it. Eight minutes it in eight minutes or less the fall fortune cash contest contest where it will be given to you. But anyway now we know what the word is. So I don't give it again. I'm going to discard that and seventeen w winters, and hopefully we will get another one or two this afternoon right Today. One of the themes of the program. is going to be. Talking about things that are on the ballot. I mean. Yes. Trump is on the ballot biden's on the ballot. Pens on the ballot. Carlos on the ballot. Scott Fitzgerald some ballads. Ryan styles on some ballots. Various Partisan offices in your municipality on the ballot. But there are other more conceptual things that are on the ballot. Things like the concept in support of law and order that's on this ballot. You know what else is on the ballot and we're GonNa talk about this later on. The national news media is on this ballad given their behavior over the last three and three quarters years. Casting your vote. A certain way would send a message to the national news media about exactly what you think. Regarding their performance, regarding their objectivity or lack there of. What you think of their ethics or lack thereof. What you think of the way? That they view their duties and discharge those duties and whether or not you agree with it the whether or not you think it's Skewed. unbalanced. And unfair. National News media is on the ballot. Make no mistake about it. So we'll get into all those things also at the end of the program probably the last two segments of the show in the five o'clock hour if you need to go someplace between now and then circle back. Because we are going to let the audience kind of explore the collective mindset of the audience and get an idea of where you listeners think this race is both in Wisconsin and nationally I can't tell you how many times over the last. Two two and a half maybe three weeks I've been asked either by email or by people my circle of acquaintance or whomever who what are you happen? I mean well, and that's that's fine. I. I. This is my tenth presidential election that I've participated in as a member of the media somebody like me ought to have an idea and I do have some thoughts and hopefully some some. Insights and a little effective analysis with regard to what might happen and what could happen or what is likely to happen. But I think a lot of people when they asked that question, what do you think's going to happen? What they're really saying is, what do you think is GonNa Happen and let me tell you I think is going to happen. Well, we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA engage in the second part of that conversation which I think is great I, say getting some variety of insights I mean the audience on this radio, stations bright smart people. Certainly not above learn from some member of the audience who might have. Different. Insight. Different analysis that I've got. And I think that would be enlightening for the rest of the audience as well. So we'll get into that. Later on in the show some things about this election cycle have amaze me what mark talked about this I believe a little bit. They got caught this yesterday yesterday or Monday he was talking about the the amount of money that was being thrown around. A lot of races especially, a lot of down ballot races here in the State of Wisconsin, a lot of assembly races. Are Getting huge expenditures. A lot of that money is being funded by Democrats. And I believe marks point was well, that doesn't just happen. You know. This is maybe the culmination of a process. You for a lot of years there was a conservative revolution and maybe it's still ongoing or at least in some stage of development in the state of Wisconsin. It was we saw you know with the election of Scott, Walker and twenty ten. And it certainly survived in relatively good health for four election cycles until twenty eighteen. Democrats got got their rear ends, handed it to him in many elections and. Including recall a set of recall elections. And somewhere along the line, the decision was made. Wisconsin a pretty traditional blue state head turned purple and there was a concerted effort and I mean effort coordinated effort to turn it back blue. The one thing that I have not seen as much as I had in this election cycle and Paul I wonder if you're in the same boat. I am getting more. Printed mailed material on a daily basis. Then I've ever seen before in my life I live in Brookefield which is pretty conservative. I'm getting a lot of lefty direct mail. Oh, without question. I'm not kidding a regular day over the last three weeks or so of pieces of election related direct mail in my mail box, and in central Brookefield would be somewhere between five and six pieces there have been days when there have been eight or nine. So. I just randomly sampled to have got to walk walking the dogs this morning yesterday's male I just grabbed all the political stuff and some of it makes sense. Yeah. This one is made out to my my official name Jerome bought, and it's the the state gop asking me if I better off than I was four years ago. Absolutely I'm better off than it was four years ago. That's an easy one the trump pence campaign directly sent me. A piece talking about we're ready to rebuild the economy stronger and better than ever fair enough. Then there was one from the another mailer from the State Republican Party that talks about the states assembly race in my district, which is Rob Hutton. It's the Thirteenth Assembly district. And the state GOP sending out this very large. Mailer this is an oversized piece. Talking about. Hutton's opponent a woman by the name of Sarah Rodriguez. Rodriguez. Who is getting a ton of out of state money trying to buy that season I? Think that's an accurate representation. Then there is A. Piece of direct mail from called the jobs first coalition political. Fund that rips into a Sarah Rodriguez as being somebody who holds radical left views and I think that a reasonable reading of her policy positions, which suggests that that might be an accurate description. I mean rob. Hutton. Very good. Conservative member of the state assembly is in a big fight for a seat in most district is elmgrove and Brookefield for God's sake it's amazing. There's a lot of money being spent in that race. There's a lot of money being spent up in gym race up in in you know the Mechlin area I think it's the twenty Third Assembly district. There's a lot of money being spent. In. The Fourteenth Assembly district at once held by Democrat Robin vining. Robin vining is an extreme lefty who has S-. Tacitly stood by with all the violence and the mayhem broke out in her district and while it does didn't say, Boo didn't say boo when some of our. Fellow State Assembly People Democrats. Supported this lawlessness that was going on in her district Finding is being challenged by an outstanding Republican newcomer by the name of Bonny Lee. I have no idea how much money Bonnie lease had at her disposal but Robin vining I've seen. TV Ads. From Third Party groups whip it on Robin vining I'm guessing that the Democrats are spending a lot of money trying to hold onto that seat given. The fact that rob inviting is probably one of the most liberal members of the state legislature. So I got all these conservative mail pieces and then I started getting stuff from the American bridge pack. That's a lefty organization addressed to my wife who's never voted for lefty in her life. I'M G- We're getting. Biden support pieces from the Union folks. Union twenty twenty, which I believe is based. In Madison. Never belonged to a union supporter union I don't know how I got my name on their list but my point is there's enough money we're wasting some of the money. I mean if the left is emailing me pieces the pieces that other than me bring them on the air to make a point you are falling on deaf is if you applied blind is. No these pulses, Paul says, these are not cheap. These are oversized. They look like they're like eight by ten or so heavy stock four color glossy? This expensive stuff. There's no doubt about it. If People WanNa comment on this, this phenomenon that I've I've noticed you can do up the. Mortgage talk and text line is four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty. Somebody Gimme cheat sheet and turn it upside down. So I had read the accurate mortgage talking tech flying upside down if you've got. You've got some observations. It can't just be me I think this is going on, but but by pointed bringing this all up. You know in conservative parts of southeastern Wisconsin and I don't know about the rest of the state, but I'm going to guess that it's probably similar. There is a flood of lefty money coming in to try to challenge. officeholders. Conservative office holders in relatively conservative areas. In the objective is one, a couple of things you know maybe. Ideally. In the lefties mine that they can pick off one or two of these. Incumbents. Robin Voss, the state, the speaker of the state assembly. In a pretty safe Republican district down in Racine County is getting a ton of money spent against him. I told you Jim got some some Norsar Nancy running against him. Supported by hundreds of thousands of dollars. As I said the Fourteenth District Tosa and Brookefield bonding an excellent candidate. You know. It'd be nice if a lot of people turn out to vote for the president and dragged her over the line, but she's running under some very tough circumstances. I'M GONNA take a few calls on this I want to talk about you know voting and voting now in voting early I have some. One on one experience now Brookefield and Bob on newstalk eleven thirty. Eight. Gerry how're you doing? I've been I can confirm that we're getting at least a half a dozen direct mailers day my favorite one though I've been in my house for two years and we're getting a postcard to a previous resident appears to be handwritten and says the. Voting records are public records. We don't know who you voted for, but we know whether or not you voted and you can expect a follow up after the election almost like a threat. Yeah, I know. Well I'll give you. I'll give you another one and this one came from. I mean. Obviously. Somebody's out there buying lists. In this one's amazing. This one came from a left leaning organization not going to name. But. It was addressed to Edward. Jay Bot. That's my father. Edward J at my Brookefield address. My father's been dead for twenty five years and never lived within a country of Brookefield lived Whitish Bay for God's sake and we so I mean it's so I mean he's I mean there's mistakes. These lists are being bought and they're obviously being bought and a great deal of depth and it's just luster tive of how much money involved in this particular campaign cycle. Like I said, I've never seen anything like it out of the Richfield riles Iran News Talk Eleven thirty W is that I will report from Richfield here too which I think we're more red than you. There is Richfield Washington County. Absolutely. You are. Your there's some nannyism in Brookefield for sheriff your. Way. Read. I look here. But. At any rate I've been getting a lot of that same male that you're talking about and my daughter use my address for her permanent address. You know just to get stuff you know. But one thing I wanna point out, she got one from a postcard. From vote to re elect. Donald Trump. All American President. This is a handwritten postcard. Signed by this woman from California. I mean, that is handwritten. Just. Goes on to say if you re elect. Trump we will have a chance to save our country and our freedom we. If we don't, we will lose both please join me and bought for Donald Trump on November third twenty twenty dollars is it is it Is It really handwritten or is it just really excellently reproduced? It is I can see it's handwritten. Really. So the. That means. There's some woman. In it looks real to me. Some woman noted Orange County California sitting there right. In two thousand postcards that people in Richfield. I'll tell you why lineal give given the. Given, the Cabal of lefty forces that are combined against trump with us the politicians, the George Soros level money the news media, social media. You're squelching, any sort of bad stories about his opponent what yell when you get all that going against you, you need some woman owned an Orange County California writing personal postcards to to be able to offset some of that other garbage in Greenvale Bruce. Bruce are newstalk eleven thirty wfan. I did not hit number. We try that again Brucie there. Yes. I am go ahead. Double Punch a button there. I just wanted to make a comment about being a union I order and being inundated now. I'm a conservative but being inundated with everything from the Democratic Party because there's just a laundry list of who we should vote for because they have a d. behind their head and the simple fact that. Union dues are going to to. Trash to me too, and that's basically it's like two steps into the garage into the recycle bins. Well, I mean, that's just it. For a while and this is calmed down quite bit. I don't know if you've noticed but the trump campaign is a relatively heavy by on w I just like they did in two thousand, sixteen, sir carpet bombing, the conservative part of southeastern Wisconsin in the in the ten days or so leading up to the election. But I was GONNA budget complaints from listeners what Joel Bud wins and the answer to that is. A. The obviously have more money than they know what to do with and be be glad that you know Biden as running is where they fall on deaf ears. That's where you want to spend the money where it's not going to do any good. Depreciate the call. Thanks much. Let's take one more from Kenosha and rob. Rob You're go ahead. Hey, how you doing I wanted to bring up the fact that they keep calling me on my cell phone and it's actually not even a person or they text me relentlessly. Yes and like they say, hi I'm Susan I can we count on you for a vote for Biden and I'm like I cannot get behind global pedophilia. I had if I had a choice between someone watching my grandchildren and it would be one of those two candidates it would not be job I. Know. I. I mean, in some of that stuff's annoying and I will tell you. With regard I'm not criticizing this. But if you're on a trump campaign mailer list. You're also probably on the trump campaign we've got your cell phone number list. With regard to fundraising I get that. Five or six texts today and it's also personalized. Don Juniors wondering why you haven't responded to our legal. Text message. So I text him back don first of all my radio station he does more to get your dad reelected than any other media outlet in America secondly just because of what I do I can't be donating money to candidates Because that would be certainly probably. I didn't pick it up your text messages. Oh. Oh I see. Yeah I. I. Don't pick up any calls I don't know the is a matter of fact, didn't the Dune the forces that be at apple putting some screener. If if the numbers not in your contacts, it just goes right to voicemail. You don't even get it. I think there's something like that. In there. there's something else with regard to voting and voting now and ballots in the state of Wisconsin that I want to bring your attention. It's the story that broke yesterday but didn't get a ton of attention I think is worthy of a lot of attention and I WANNA talk about. You know the difference between. Letting your enthusiasm, make you proactive and take steps in the time you need to ensure and I mean rock solid one, hundred percent ensure that you're going to vote and to kind of foot-dragger and put it off into the future where maybe something happens there's a difference between those two things I wanNA pointed it out here and it will do so shortly. Three Forty newstalk eleven thirty W I s in the mark belling Leslie Afternoon Shell Jerry bought in for Mark, research off on a day to take care personal visits. He'll be back tomorrow here. Monday Tuesday. So you just needed today often it had to be today unfortunately but he will be here in. You know what? He thinks about the way the election shaping up and everything else that is pertinent. By the way we later on, we've got a Paul covid nineteen roundup everything from the Badger game getting canceled to just the absurd of directive out in California for how to conduct yourself on Thanksgiving for Thanksgiving dinner. It's like everybody's gotTa have their own proportion little. Little dollop of sweet potatoes you can't have one big Pan Japan for me. Is just it's. It's just ridiculous. We'll get into it. A. Little Bit later on the Weather forecast from the fox six weather experts reads like this tonight partly cloudy lows amid thirties tomorrow mostly cloudy cooler than today highs only in the mid forties north easterly winds will keep it to limit cooler on Friday highs mid forties again then warmer on Saturday might be We're last chances to play golf all mid fifty s for highs on Saturday and much cooler on Sunday with highs only in the lower forties. Fifty four degrees right now here at news talk eleven thirty W, I S. I won't talk about voting and and that sort of thing here in. But So, I got all these these mailers as just talking about in the previous segment and there's a few. I think three of them were like left mailers and didn't bother when I saw that there were from like some union outfit and Madison I didn't bother to actually read some specifics, but let me share with you some of these because upon reflection there quite funny. There's a picture of this tall skinny like Pajama boy millennial a thirty year old with a with a scruffy beard and he's wearing a bow tie which always makes you look like a tool if you're thirty years old and wearing a bow tie. His name is David L. His quote I'm supporting the Biden Harris ticket because there's no time to waste in saving our environment and sharing our democracy works for all. Well David when he spends four trillion dollars on his version of the green new deal how's that going to be working out for you? When your taxes in assuming you're a millennial with a job and not in your parents basement I don't think there's going to be democracy working for you at all in any stretch of the imagination. Then Paul. They literally have a woman by the name of Karen. Karen Karen Kay here's what she says this is this is given what's the what's transpired over the last week or so this is out hilarious. You know that this was was mocked up and done weeks ago but listen to what she says Kerry Cases Joe Biden's character provides the foundations for the reasons. I. Will Vote for him his character he's. Fully aware of the Biden family influence-peddling scheme that's character and she goes on his life experiences have shaped his empathy for all groups of people and we'll drive his inclusive policy proposals. He's got empathy alright he's got empathy for Ukrainian. An for the Chinese Communist Party to launder money to buy influence in the United States? Seattle, he's inclusive that way. All right. Clinton. W looks like maybe a forty year. Old Guy Working in the medical profession says I will be voting for Joe Biden for several reasons Joe, works for Working People. He's a man of the people in a dedicated public servant whose judgment and character are exactly what our country needs during this crisis. What piece of judgment is he pointing to? A specific piece of judgment that he would like to point to that There would actually be something of substance in in terms of would be Biden's done for forty seven years. Luke H says I'm supporting Vice President Joe Biden because I do not support secretary of Education Betsy Devos, we need a public schoolteacher in that position and Biden. His promised one has promised rather to put one there. and quote. So what Luke H is saying is, yes, I would like to see. Mostly Black and Brown children remain in crappy schools have no choice in no way out. Let's go public schoolteacher and they're guarantee that. Exactly. Kathleen H says Biden is a clear plan to create millions of good paying jobs. So workers are compensated fairly. Under Biden we will rebuild the economy for Americans. What is that clear plan that create millions of jobs? Well. Actually declared he's trying to bite his try to walk back this this whole y'all I'm GonNa, shut down the fossil fuel industry. I'm going to phase it out. He's not doing it with much success I. Think it's starting to hurt them. Significantly in Pennsylvania given how much attention and how much money certainly the Biden campaign spending in Pennsylvania but. Once he said. Was this when he was in Georgia maybe it was the day before when still in Delaware or across the river in Pennsylvania Yeah. Here's one thing we're going to. We're to create jobs we're going to build five, hundred, thousand electric. Refueling stations for electric? Cars. which comes if if you connect the dots on that like Joe First of all, so you're gonNA subsidize all these electric charging stations. Why wouldn't private enterprise do that? Why would you need to do that and secondly? You know the electric charging stations in order to actually charge an electric car have to have access to electricity. The vast majority of electricity in the United States is generated from plants, burning coal or natural gas. Yeah. Your mind. So you're GonNa, get eliminated the fossil fuels and what we're going do have these charges stations I got like five volts of Squirrel driven electricity that it's GonNa get going to recharge your Tesla on that it's just It's just amazing and there's this to. Start out of the Associated Press yesterday I don't think enough attention. Did you know in Wisconsin? It's too late to mail back the ballots that have been requested the so-called mail in ballots. There's no guarantee that your mail and ballad gets to your clerk in your city municipal clerk in time in order to count and the United States Supreme Court by a vote of five to three said that you can't have as this. This moronic federal judge in Madison said, originally, you can't have Wisconsin's. Voting vote-counting go on for six days after the close of the polls on the third of November. Anything. That's not there by eight PM on November third doesn't count. That's what the the US Supreme Court said. AP Democrats Republicans in the battleground state of Wisconsin we're pushing yesterday to get three hundred and twenty thousand outstanding absentee ballots returned by the close of polls on election day. Three hundred and twenty thousand Bolic's floating around out there. Does that concern anybody else but me? There were. Me Three hundred and twenty thousand outstanding ballots as of yesterday, which amounts to eighteen percent of the nearly one point seven million absentee ballots requested. In the April presidential primary election nine percent of requested. Ballots were not returned in that election one point seven percent of all ballots returned were rejected due to missing signatures or other deficiencies they were not fixed in time by the voter. So if you add up nine percent plus one point, seven percent is roughly eleven percent. If eleven percent of the three, hundred and twenty, thousand remaining Stanley ballots are not counted or spoiled for some reason. That amounts to thirty five thousand votes in a state like Wisconsin they were close election thirty, five thousand volts to be huge. What did trump went by twenty two, thousand, twenty, three, thousand something like that. This is this is a mess. The one piece of good news is with all these these ballots out there floating around what the Democrats can't do what they wanted to do was find out if they were deficient if they needed some ballots and then go around and harvest a bunch of ballots, submit them late and demand that they be counted at least can't do that but three, hundred and twenty thousand. Outstanding. Balances Floating around the ether that sucks. That's died you talking about your ballot integrity and custody of ballots that is concerning. So. Early voting, there's still time. On Monday around three thirty or so my lovely wife and I went to the Brookefield City Hall and we voted and I'm doing that because I know that. My job responsibilities I would prefer to vote on. Election Day. It's kind of a for us when my wife and for a while it's been a tradition although it's one that's been broken given. A bunch of work related stuff. But we used to like to go vote or the a little bit around noontime. The golden have lunch. That was fun. It was just kind of a tradition. Well now I I. Did we don't know what to expect on November third. So I wanna -ticipant, all sorts of mayhem going on here. So I thought to absolutely make sure that I got my vote into my wife got voted we would go votes. On Monday, we did so kind of mid to late afternoon three, thirty they close at five. And I gotTa tell you for all you people who think that Oh now voting early going to be standing in some sort of you know unbelievably long line it was reasonably fast. About thirty five minutes, Fronta back the process. Did you vote already all? You did how long did it take you to vote in? Seabird. Four minutes. Really Wow. Is A I mean? I. Guess in Brookville is a good thing that there was a somewhat of a line. There's a land I'm guessing. Forty people ahead of US maybe. But reasonably fast thirty five minutes. Door to. Door. And I want to say this to. You, know. Commend the folks at the Brookville City Clerk's office I thought they did a great job. There are well organized. They kept the process and the people moving solid explanation of the process with regard to how to use the voting machine, which is different than the the the voting machine used it. A separate poll polling places are an electron anything that did prints your choices on a on a piece of paper that you put it in a sealed envelope, put an envelope that they seal in front of you and then sign off on it, but they explained the process with greater precision. Mean you'd have to be a complete knucklehead to screw it up they that I mean look over your shoulder while you're voting but they look over your shoulder for every part of the process of actually handling. The ballot. Well you you, you made a mark with a pen like signed with a pan you got to keep the pen and recycling offense lots of hand sanitizer everybody all masked up all that sorta stuff. Now, I know a couple of people who are pull workers and they have poll workers in two different parts of the Metro area and they both said remarkably the same thing they said if you're thinking about early voting and you can do it. Until, you know whenever you're clerk's office closes today and a lot of places it's four, thirty five or some are stay open as late as six. And you can do. So tomorrow Thursday, whatever hours your municipal clerk has an-and Friday. And Friday it tends to be the day. They might stay open a little bit longer open a little bit earlier. So there's still time to get this done. I've heard this stuff from two different people working polls. It's usually busy when the clerk's office I opens for voting on any given day. There's usually a big rush early on. And then there's a lull around mid late morning. One of individual I know said, yeah you know by about the time nine, thirty, ten o'clock rolls around. The line get shorter, and there's a little bit of a lull for maybe ninety minutes until lunchtime, which is busy. That makes sense. You know people who are working or out of the house or maybe going out to pick up lunch. Might Stop and vote at that point, and then there's typically another lull about an hour before the clerk's office closes again, and then it gets busy for that final hour. So there are some places to go. Were you probably? Can Save some time for yourself if you are in idiological soulmate of the point of view expressed on this radio station and you have even the slightest doubt that you will be unable to vote on. November. Third go out in early votes you like I said, you've got the rest of this afternoon and a lot of places probably our even two hours. and. Then you've got tomorrow and you've got Friday, it's easy. It's fast I think because especially in a lot of Republican districts, people like to vote on election day, it may save you some time instead of staying in a really long line on Tuesday you might get to stand in a shorter line too early vote. Now, I was asked by somebody. Well because you're not running the vote through the machine yourself are you worried about absentee ballot custody issues? I would suggest that other than running it through yourself. This is the best most secure way to get a ballot in the proper hands I do not trust the mail there's this and it's not that, I, rip it on the US mail service. There's just too many things that can go wrong. It's too big an operation there's too many nooks and crannies for those ballots to fall into. The process is too complex. it. It may not be as timely as intended. And I think that there are ballot custody issues. At least there's a there's a greater opportunity for them. Well, the pulse talk about you know they found some ballots up north in a ditch I think of the Al Franken case in in Minnesota where there were ballots that they found the trunk of somebody's car for God's sake, and those were allowed in by a court ruling. I think in person early voting is reasonably trustworthy mail in voting I have not nearly not nearly as comfortable with that. So having said that. I WANNA. Talk a little bit in the next segment and we need to go like bunnies year. Well I out at some point here in the next segment or I wanNA to talk about the pressure on Joe Biden. If he wins, that's going to be coming from the extreme left wing of his party. They're already out there talking about it and crow about it about what their plans are if Biden wins. And it's anybody who loves America as it is now. This is disturbing. Four o'clock news talk thirty I mark belling this late afternoon show Jerry bought in for mark was just off on a date for personal business. He'll be back in this chair tomorrow the four o'clock. Fall. Fortune cash contest word. We'll be right after the four o'clock news. So probably fifteen minutes from now or so make sure you are listening that. You know there's a zillion reasons to vote for Donald Trump instead of Joe Biden. But here's one of the better ones. Not only will Joe Biden not have the agility, the smarts in the strength to. Stand tall against the malevolence of China or Russia Iran or north. Korea could you imagine Joe Biden having to go toe-to-toe with Putin? That's that's not a fair fight you J., Joe Losing a deal. Is His train of thought of the middle of this what you want some more missiles I wouldn't give you some more missiles. Come. On Man. Stand on those nukes. It's even more fundamental than it's it's not just Joe Biden that having the the mental acuity to stand up to the bad guys. He won't have the strength of the guts to stand up against the extremist left wing of his own party. These left wears are already salivating at the opportunity. These extreme left ease. Those are the people who WanNa Tournament. Into a country with only government approved thought. into a country with fully dependent citizens. Country with one party rule these people who are exclusively either Democrats or. I'm using scare quotes there or in some cases, they're outright anarchists. They are absolutely licking their chops at the prospect of pushing their agenda and their will onto empty vessel Joe Because that's what he is. He's an empty vessel he's just not there. For example, let's give a listen to Uber Left E. Squad member and renown anti-semites. Ilan Omar the congresswoman from Minnesota. Let's listen to her offer the laundry list of things they want to ram down Joe Biden's throat. President is only. As successful. As his collaboration is with with. Congress and we we will have. A cohort of progressives that are very clear about their objectives for wanting the implementation of you know Medicare for all in the green deal raising the minimum wage and not allowing for fracking a cohort of progressives. What she means is a mob of extremists that are going to put a ton of pressure. On Biden and his administration pressure for Biden if elected to put a bunch of their type that they're the extreme lefties in positions of power. They're talking about having Liz, warn be the secretary of the Treasury. Could you imagine a bigger disaster than that? Let me give you one. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez as the head of the environmental protection. Agency. That took the level of regulation that would be forthcoming just by executive Fiat. Ill had Omar and her ilk will we pushing the idea that Joe Biden was elected because not in spite of but because he embraced the Treasury draining policies of the extreme left listen to this I think sometimes there's a disconnect really in the the the person. That that, you might believe should should lead and the policies that you might believe should be implemented. We know at every single exit poll you know Medicare for all was sixty percents seventy percent eighty percent in some places throughout the primary and know those were not only the places where Bernie was leaving the places where Joe was leading and so that should signal to. Joe Biden that. These people trusted me. To read but these are the policies that they want me to lead on if the Democrats control the House and the Senate and Biden is the president do you think he'd have the Kony's the nuts to veto any of the socialist crap. If it got to his desk, no way he's can stand up to that kind of pressure. No chance it's all going to go sailing through. It's almost exactly parallel to. Tony. Iverson. Wisconsin empty vessel lifelong bureaucrat nothing really significantly accomplished got in because he was just sort of this bland generic alternative to somebody that that a lot of people didn't like and Scott Walker. In and surrounded himself with a bunch of extremists, and that's what the policies that are coming out of his administration are extreme if you want to imagine what America looks like with Joe Biden is president just look at what California looks like. Now, it'll be exactly the same thing environmental regulation that will be a disaster wildly expensive anarchy in the streets. A homeless problem sanctuary cities, you'll see California and spread it out to the other forty nine states. No Thanksgiving we'll get to cal we'll get to Thanksgiving and California and the covert era sometime in the five o'clock hour. Well. How many naps per day which the nap per day quotient of of Joe Biden No. I mean two or three. You know when is the time for Joe's putting? Is probably about three thirty, four o'clock that sort of thing but I I, mean you know? Joe Doesn't have the he's not there. You can see it when he starts to get confused his kind squint shut like he's trying to. Literally, see and imagine the words he's supposed to be saying, and that's a sign of people that you know just you have lost some of the mental eggs, some of the mental acuity. And the problem is when you're president, you can't put the lid on the day. Oh what's going on? You know the Iranians are overrunning the embassy in Tehran. Now, we already put a lid on the day we'll. We'll. We'll do that tomorrow. No, you can't do that. You know. That saves us all four seven newstalk eleven thirty wins at again the four o'clock word in the fault fortune cash contest will be right after the news to grow. Our two of the mark belling list late afternoon show here on newstalk seven, thirty, W I S and Jerry in for mark. Needed a personal day which had to be today So that's why he's not here, but he'll be back tomorrow. And continue his analysis and his Insight and observations with regard to election season that's rapidly coming to an end. If you aren't aware Donald Trump has been in Wisconsin twice since last Saturday it's going to be three times. He'll be your three times. A week is going to be up in Green, Bay? Friday afternoon, I think the event starts at two thirty if I'M NOT Not Mistaken which is going to be like it's going to be a good. Do Austin Straubel airport. So I believe that runways long enough air force, one can just literally touched on their taxi over to a hangar and that sort of thing down here it's going to be a highs in the mid forties on Friday natural what the forecast is like. in Green Bay. Anyway. In the last hour of the program or get some analysis from you on where you think the state of this race is and the fact that trump is frequenting Wisconsin at the level that he is suggest to me that he has internal polling that says that Wisconsin play plus the fact that they're making a big broadcast by including on this radio station. So all of that would point to To the fact that they believe that they get a chance here. The fault fortune cash contest word for the four o'clock hour. You've got forty four minutes to texts this to a number of to give you the word is love l.? O.. V. E. Love. Like you'd love to win this hour contests, Love L. O. V. Text the word love to two hundred, two, hundred. And if you're. Entry in this nationwide contest selected as the winner, you will grab a thousand dollars in cash. 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Before the top of the hour every once in a while we get stuff here in in the course of our duties which I mean even for you know cynical people like us we've been we've been exposed to all this all this swampy nece over the course of our careers but every once in a while something happens that's really nice and just it it's it's a cockles warming sort of development and served cuts through. So. got a note from one of the previous winners in this contest cycle. That she she wrote a note back to our head promotions director who makes contact with the winner say, Hey, glad you one I need this information from you or go to this link and Philip this information so we can mail you the thousand dollar check. Well. She let it be known the winner. Let it be known to Hannah Promotions director that she was using the money. To offset some expenses. Of adopting. Two young children. Paul tune in on this if I said Irish twins, do you know what that is? Okay, you have no clue. In this particular case this winter this this woman. Said? Yes. We're adopting Irish twins and I thought to myself. Well, you know I've heard of needs for adoption and places like you know you know. Guatemala Haiti or. El Salvador or China or Romania. Are you know but I didn't I didn't know that there was a great need of adoption in. Ireland. Well, it turns out of what an idiot. I am Irish twins are two siblings who are born a year or less apart. They're called Irish twins. I've never heard that terminology before which she said Yes we're opting Irish twins thinking well. You get Guinness with that or you know what is your whiskey involved but no, and apparently well. I'm just GonNa read a paragraph 'cause. Right. Well, and that's that's that's that's rapid fire you know. Yeah I mean for goodness sake. Leave them women alone for a couple of months. So I wrote back to our say, well, can I mention this on the air? It's very nice email I'm GonNa read one paragraph that she said this the boys are Irish twins. So they're exactly one year apart apparently, they're born same day exactly your part. In this I mean this just makes you feel good. I mean it's Nice to run the contest and the station always great leader in the company of of generating winners. But when money goes to something like this goes you know this is this is God's handed work in my opinion she writes this my husband and I are late forties. We have four adult children instead fostering a couple years ago. To give back in two thousand eighteen. We received a call for placement of a newborn and a year later, his brother now, almost three years in our foster home we are adopting and starting all over again but we have a wonderful family and great friends that all support our choice and we couldn't be happier. The money is definitely something we can use to help with expenses and bills. Isn't it? Great? That they're. Exactly? Paul says. God bless foster bears absolutely and just the fact. That you know I always love. This is just me and my personal faith when you see God's hand come into play in work you know I just don't think these things are necessarily coincidences or accidents these people giving their hearts in their in their time in their love to a couple of kids that need it and you know a little money sent their way to help defray expenses. I don't think could've worked out any better than that. So congratulations on the win to that layer name is Kelly and she's doing in her husband's doing just wonderful thing opening up their home. At the top of the show I said, we're going to discuss the concepts that are on the ballot next Tuesday, not just the candidates. One huge concepts. In my mind. It's on this ballot is law and order. By the way. Okay. So so there was a knife-wielding. African. American. who was shot and killed by the police in Philadelphia on Monday. Immediately. Writing broke out anarchy broke out. Where's anybody else watching Fox News last watching Fox because I wanted to see the Joe Biden whistleblower get interviewed on Tucker Carlson show and after that. On Hannity show donor the core, they call it a in in the business and the TV business they used to call it a sink screen. We get like like right in the corner of a screen as. Picture. In picture kind of screen while the big things going on in the picture on picture screen they had. Live, video of of dudes in Philadelphia just looting every store incite the the Walmart the five below the liquor store does run. What was fabulous? This looting got so precise. That my wife ever watch this. There was one guy with Adali and he had a washing machine on the Dalai. He lives Luda washing machine from like the Walmart or wherever but he had good common sense to bring a Dolly with I'm getting something bigger. You know screw the TV I. Don't want necessarily a pair of sneakers I want. Daddy, needs a new washing machine. So. You Know Philadelphia riding looting saw Kenosha burn locally Tosa unrest you'll shutting down residential neighborhoods. Law and orders on this balance and wanted to take some calls on this too. By the way, the accurate mortgage talking text line four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven, thirty I'd like to take at least a couple of calls about my perspective on this and whether or not you would agree with it. The anarchist movement in America, which goes beyond merely ANTIFA. The anarchist movement is using the Social Justice Movement and the black lives matter platform. To employ violence in a quest for political power, that's what's going on. In case you haven't connected all those dots. It's the anarchists who are using the violence. As, a means as a catalyst for them to attain more political power ask yourself this. Do the anarchists have more or less political power especially when they use their their anarchy against. weak-kneed. Liberal. Politicians like the mayor of Portland comes to mind very quickly or the governor of the state of Washington. Do, they have more or less political power after they go through their Ma'am almost universally the answer is more. Has the political left in general stopped the violent anarchist. Or instead have they tried to appease the anarchists. If you are a study. If you are a stupid rather in human nature at all. If you have studied this, you know that appeasing bully never works and then appeasement to the bully is equivalent to giving them power. Regarding the violence that we've seen in America in various places and it can happen anywhere. If it can happen in Tosa Kenosha, it can happen in Brookefield or apple dinner blacker. Falls. You haven't voted thinkable that. With regard to the violence, we've seen over the past. Five six months or so there are two things that make different from what we've seen in the past. As I just mentioned, it can happen anywhere not just big cities. Big cities are vulnerable especially big cities run by LEFTIES, Portland Seattle La Chicago places like that. They tend to be more vulnerable. But it can happen anywhere if you live more Tosa or if you live in Kenosha and you haven't voted yet. Remember. It was leaders from the political left and allows violent anarchy in your towns you ought vote accordingly. That's one thing that's different about this violence. It can spread and spread quickly. The second thing is the objective of this violence is acquiescence to a political agenda Bhachau down people to the anarchist agenda or will disturb your neighborhoods. We'll vandalize your properties we will threatened with physical violence if you don't raise your fist in solidarity with us, and perhaps we'll even burned down your business. Using violence to attempt to force acceptance, a political viewpoint is the hallmark of totalitarianism. That's what they did in Russia. That's what they did in China after the Maoist. Revolution. Bow Down to our point of view you must acquiesce you must pledge allegiance you must think like we do. Or there's going to be held to pay. If Joe Biden is elected and there's a blue wave that comes along with them. You know taking the House the Senate state legislative offices across the country. Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the? Agenda items that will be pursued and it's not like the the extremist left is hiding this they're saying this flat out. Is there any doubt in your mind that we will have fewer resources spent on police and policing and law enforcement in general? We are already seeing a cop shortage. I know of somebody who has a career now retired. Law Enforcement Officer. And was talking about his nephew. His youngest brothers kid who said he wanted to get in law enforcement and you know what this lifelong police officers advice was you know if you WanNa do that and serve the public koby a Fireman Gore get work in fire protection don't be don't be a cop is just not enough support right now it's too dangerous. When you have people dedicated who've dedicated their lives to law enforcement telling other people to not do it because they think it's a foolish move to make. That is a moment that ought to give us all pause. We're already seeing vacancies vacant slots in Police Academies. Across the country we're seeing a rash of retirements of police forces. Officers who may have decided to work a while longer but in the current political environment decided you know what? Now's a good time to get out? This is all not good. This is all on the ballot. If you are voting for a Biden what you are voting for is weakness to the point where the anarchists are going to make him. Bow Down to agenda. And part of their agenda is defunding and decreasing the amount of law enforcement because anarchist like anarchy they liked disorder because it's in an environment of disorder in which they can achieve their objectives and more political power. A vote for trump is exactly the opposite. Of Vote for trump and anybody on the conservative side down ballot means that law enforcement could have political support law enforcement's can have financial support and there will be as much as we possibly can order in our streets unless there are lefties in elected offices that are telling the cops to stand down, which is by the way. Shameful. I want some comments on this from the audience is law and order getting enough attention right now is law and order on this ballot is law and order at the top of the list or near the top of issues that should be considered by voters as they go and do their civic duty by voting accurate mortgage talking text line four, one, four, seven, nine, eleven, thirty, four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty is the number to weigh in and get some commentary and it's like I said, I wanted to just a handful of calls but way far behind if you're on hold stay there, let me take the break first and then we'll get to calls a rapid fire there. Were seventy seven thirty W I. S N. Jerry in for Mark belling the mark belling this late afternoon show mark will be back. Tomorrow Law and order on the ballot on. This coming Tuesday, we'll get to your calls here momentarily. Let me. Plus U up here on the Fox six forecast from the Fox weather experts tonight mostly cloudy lows upper thirties tomorrow cloudy windy cooler maybe some patchy drizzle high's mid forties partly sunny on Friday mid forty s for highs on. Friday then warmer on Saturday with some. Gusty winds mid fifty s for highs. On Saturday and then it gets very cool on Sunday with highs only touching forty degrees. Fifty three degrees right now here at newstalk eleven thirty W I. S and I've said at the beginning of the show, I wanNA talk about some of the concepts that are on the ballot, the candidates and law and order is one that should be dominating our awareness and should have done. So for a long time, but certainly in a more acute sense over the last five or six months. So let me take some phone calls on that from The good listeners in Kenosha KIPP KIPP you're out and go ahead. Hey thanks Jerry for taking my call I appreciate it as always you're doing a great job. I believe me a law and order is on the ballot, but it's only on half the ballot I I believe that trump supporters law and order, and all of anarchy that is going on is a big thing of driving them to the polls and frankly I gotta tell Ya, I see trump landslide I really do I don't know about the house races but if you just look at it and I I, mean I just goes back to even all Obama and no supporter of Obama but when I saw. The crowds that Obama was getting in the in the beginning and people fainting and you know all I well, boy, we are in trouble. And I see that now i. Can't draw flies. That's true. Obama's. Huge crowds either other trainers socially distance and have these these drive in events and all that kind of crap but. It's something interesting about that. Let me Got To draw a line. One thing. That's that's of concern in Wisconsin and some of the other swing states is the voting pattern of suburban women. These are women who generally are college educated. They generally employed the home and who don't like Donald Trump's personality. But Times these women are also mothers and they want to see their families and their kids be protected and be safe. My message to them is which is more important to you. You don't like Donald Trump and you think he's rude and he think he you know He. Fires off too many tweets and he's Abrasive. In that sort of thing you also have to acknowledge he generally gets the job done and certainly on the law and order issue that he is the stronger of the two candidates and my message to these voters. Especially, the women is if there's any lesson of Tosa Kenosha it's that this violence can break out anywhere. If you think you're safe sitting up in Nina you're not I'm sorry you're you're you're sitting up in in in s Watson on a suburb of Green Bay and you think that if if somehow A law enforcement officer in the line of duty killed a minority individual that that the movement wouldn't be there disrupting your. If you think you're immune from that you just one hundred percent wrong. Well I. Agree. Completely I mean Violeta's turned into burn loot and murder It's it's nothing but an excuse for anarchy and I WANNA know the. I in Kenosha. All right. We saw this firsthand I wanNA know who's paying these people fly in because the majority of the guys that did the real damage we're not from year. Flown and from Portland and Seattle like that. Thanks for the call and let me talk a little bit about about anarchy and Blm. I think that. With regard to the statement black lives matter no, one would disagree. With regard to the movement in the organization black lives matter that's more of a a Marxist organization but the but the black lives matter 'cause as a matter of social justice is being used as the precursor as the excuse if you will as the opportunity for the anarchists to go in and create their version of America go in and create their level of disunity. Because that's the environment in which they believe they can assume. Political power through appeasement and quite frankly in some of the big cities run by weak-kneed Liberals, they're right there. Correct. The, the proof of the pudding. I think that? The anarchists don't give in many cases a hoot holler about social justice. They're using the social justice movement and moment in time here in American history as the excuse to bring their brand of mayhem to the streets of this country. Manitou waters and David. News talk eleven thirty W is. Good afternoon, Jerry. Dave here you. Give me an idea I left Milwaukee. Years. Ago. Maybe, we're the insight that some of this stuff was going to happen I'm not really sure but it's even we're not immune up here and I'm about fifty miles from the upper peninsula border right I fifty one. People. Protesting here, share I think that if we get if we get trump in. Hopefully law and order we'll take grass and would be Kinda back to normal. In us, here's the thanks for the call and manage water water's beautiful part of the state by way. I don't blame you for bringing up there at all. Here's the thing it Paul points out to. Manage. Wish waters, you know Lacrosse certainly in the Fox valley over in the middle of the State Steven's point in Marshfield you had pockets of of. Liberals who are. Going through this process of the pursuit of social justice and they were doing. So being disruptive in a Lotta ways port Washington, we saw a lot of that as well. It can happen anywhere and I'm not saying that that truly peaceful protesting and by the way. We have to define peaceful protests. Taking over a residential street while we're Tosa at eleven thirty on Thursday, night and start. Blocked off streets and screaming and bullhorns. That's not a peaceful protest. You're breaking the noise ordinances of the of the community and if there was. Some some will from the elected officials, the council there the mayor to allow the police to do their job. They were clear that out and send the message. We're not gonNA tolerate that. That's that's the kind of law and order we're talking about you. Rudy. Giuliani. for He's got some words on him I. I know. But as the mayor of New York City, he did that city a great service by pursuing the so-called broken windows theory of policing your police. The little things you send out the message that we're not gonNA tolerate the lawbreaking, this low level and that that filters up. Crime rate dropped massively New York was reinvented as a tourist attraction. People felt safe their billions and billions of dollars poured into that city because of of what Giuliani did. Right now which which I mean. Does anybody have a real strong hankering to go move while Tosa right now? I don't. Not, after what's been going on there. That what's been allowed to happen there I'm not blaming the police I'm blaming the elected officials for not standing up and letting the police do their job there. let me go to back to the phones here Bayside and Michael Michael. You're on news talk eleven thirty W is. High I. Think your point is. Very well in Kenosha, when trump came Kenosha, who do you want to talk to the business owners that are impacted and the police officers who tried to maintain order who pride and WanNa talk with he wanted to talk to the scumbag put this off. Well I mean. One of the things that's interesting about this is I didn't hear the last thing he said was that cleaner nutball. Garbled in there I was reaching for the dump button anyway that yeah. I mean, the the the whole thing that. Some of the justification of the Social Justice Movement and the and even some of the anarchist playoff is that they have to take individuals who are bad actors in some cases. And some glorified them. The individual and Kenosha it is apparent. Ill had a weapon. And did not follow the lawful order of police officers by the way if there is a police officer who looks threatened and you're resisting arrest, why are you putting your your taking your own life in your hands? What do you how do your mind? I'll never understand that. I'll never understand it but you know in order to to justify the outrage, you have to glorify the individual who was in in this particular case, not acting lawfully and you have to turn him into some sort of hero. Not, the case I mean, you look at what this individual did you know putting kids in car potentially in jeopardy Brandishing a weapon in the presence of police officers told him to drop it. He refused to do so. Well, I mean. It's GonNa have a bad outcome and that's what happened. But. That's not a justification to go running through downtown. Kenosha. Smashing cars on car lots and and burn down stores and looting, and that sort of thing those two things are mutually exclusive. Let me go to? Madison and speak to Paul Paul you're on go ahead. Hey. Huge Fan of yours and marks So I live in Madison I used to live in Chicago moved to Madison to get away from the riots and while we know how that worked up Anyway. Wait wait. That's an interesting statement. Paul yet can't run from it. That's just it Madison. Another great example now Madison is a bit of an exception because there is so much eccentric leftism going on Madison and it's generational. Now it's gone on from the aging hippies to whatever the university spit out now to a bunch of millennials who are so aimless. Who are so devoid of purpose in their life that they grasp onto anything think that they're they're doing something that's valuable injust and that's what sets the environment in which all that disorder takes place. I'm sorry go ahead and I I was born in Kenosha county so it's just like it's following me What is it don't move to Brookefield live. Yeah Oh Yeah So what I want to say though 'CAUSE now I'm in Madison and you can. Just walking up and down streets they treat you like see like these graffiti and it's like if it wasn't like graffiti beautiful like just like these people are taking a painting but like you feel like things like brakes, the brake, their fingers. So they don't shoot like a picture of pay and IT'S And just like all. All these different things like it's like these beautiful stories and stuff are boarded up. It's like I just I don't. Know I I I understand your point. Thanks for the call I understand what you're saying. I mean complete disrespect. For Law enforcement officers but also, but filtered down a little bit. It's disrespect for the law what we saw in Madison when we saw the Han statue get get toppled over and and and that sort of thing. This was just disregard for what? The American society sort of stands for and that's part of the point of the anarchists. They're deal is they don't want to work within the system for reform. They WanNa, blow the system, and start their own thing. And the best way that they've decided to do. Excuse me. Let me say that again, the best tactic they've decided to employ when I say the one that's most effective is to identified weak leadership will not stand up against them and demand that through. They be appeased. So we're seeing Portland. That's what we saw Chicago for for many many nights during the summer. So what we saw on Madison. So we saw. Kenosha. The guy called and said, you know the people doing the you know the breaking in the rioting the looting in Kenosha they weren't locals. They were imports absolutely because that movement is spreading. To the south side. Jeremy. Your go ahead. Hi Good evening. Thanks for having me. Jerry to. Retired. Chief from walkie. I JUST WANNA say law and order is definitely a on the ballot and I have pollsters calling me. I lied to them just because they have my personal information and if they knew I was gonNA vote for trump. I would be fearful that they would come in damage my health or my doing milwaukee. So I. I li- yeah. No I mean I know that there's there's the hidden trump vote the trump voter, the people that won't display trump yard signs put bumper stickers on because they're afraid that the property vandalized. There'd be targets in some way shape or form, and you know what is amazing about that now I fortunately, I live in a neighborhood where a bunch of my neighbors and My wife and I have let our political feelings be known through yard signs and nobody's vandalized anything else and there's more a feeling of mutual respect. But whereas America gone where we can't have a disagreement over, you know the the political philosophy in the country and we feel that not only the need but the justification to lash out physically against people who hold a political philosophy that's opposite of your own. That's not my side of the island. See that you're not seeing a bunch of right he's going and riding in the inner city of Milwaukee. I'm just not the way it's the anarchists who are taking over. The lefty controlled areas of the country demanding appeasement. That's it. And only through law and order can you stand up to that process of appeasement because piecemeal by the way never works? Does it work with international bullies? It doesn't work with domestic bullies either. Four, fifty. Eight. Thirty W I S and Jerry Vanden from our belling Mark belling lists late afternoon show mark needed a personal day today it was scheduled. Gosh more almost three months ago. That had to be today he'll be back tomorrow and I'm sure raring to go with regard to inside analysis. What's going on with regard to the election in the next hour back half of the next hour of the program we're going to ask you in the audience kind of where you think this whole thing stands right now what you see how you're reading the tea leaves. As, hosts who had the privilege of. Having a fifty thousand Watt radio station do. Express. View I think that we have a lot of really smart listeners who may have some insights that frankly we might have missed and like tap into that for part of the next hour of the show. I would. Be. Remiss. Every. Once in a while, you run across a event that has historical significance that. Just makes you smile and makes me grin and makes you feel kind of good. Seeing Amy Coney Barrett become a justice. The one, hundred Fifteenth Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States was. One of those moments at least for me. I want to just take I've got two or three minutes here. I want to just take that little slice of time. And offer you some perspective on what I think. Her ascension to the court means in a larger context. Justice Barrett. Judging by her judicial philosophy displayed as a clerk. As a professor and as a member of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Any Barrett is an originalist. and. That's huge. She will be a reliable votes. Against the Supreme Court becoming a super legislature and she will do so for the next twenty, five to thirty years. That's not just a victory for conservatives. That's a victory for the constitution. and. Really what the Chuck Schumer's of the world were so upset about. They're not concerned that much about amy coney. Barrett the person. They're concerned about having to go up against the constitution. It's the constitution that's thwarting their agenda any one Associate Justice on the Supreme Court. What they're worried now is that there's at least five in some cases six depending on squishy John Roberts does. Then we'll the constitution they can't stand up to the constitution. The constitution is the roadblock. The constitution is the impediment. For their agenda for the progressive extremist. Lefty agenda. The fact that justice spirit is an originalist is enormously huge with regard to the effects of how. Government may operate moving forward. And the combination of a process where Donald Trump got three nominations. To the United States supreme. Court and got them all approved within one term of office is one of the biggest fortifications of conservative jurisprudence in the history of this country. It's amazing. George H W Bush how many Supreme Court nominations did he get eight years to he got to? Barack Obama got to Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. And that's about par for the course if you get if you have a two-term president, you're you generally get to nominations to the court trump got three. In one term hopefully gets a second term. But if he doesn't, it's just an enormous victory for Conservative jurisprudence that he got three nominations through an approved. This court. Something else that I find be delightful Amy Coney Barrett is not a swamp creature other than her clerkship for Antonin, Scalia she's not a product of the DC culture and she's not beholden to the Washington DC crowd. I think one of the biggest disappointments of John Roberts is a you know a guy with a track record of conservative jurisprudence. Who has let? What he perceives to be the reputation of the court in the swampy environment of DC to be a mitigating factor to where he is doing. You know judicial back somersaults trying to justify things that the loss of who doesn't justify his ruling on Obamacare is prime example of that. I also take tremendous joy and fulfillment in the image of Justice Clarence Thomas. Who is the embodiment of the thing that drives liberals most nuts namely an African American conservative. It just. Brought me tremendous gratification to watch Justice Clarence Thomas. Swear in a conservative woman who the lefties couldn't stop. That was just positively delicious. You know that just the fact that Clarence Thomas has been on that court now for nearly thirty years has just rankled the American left for a long time and it was no mistake that he was selected in in swearing in Amy Conybeare to the United States Supreme Court. and. Finally this, and this is a little bit of preaching my part but I'm going to engage in it anyway. Amy Conybeare it represents. The Best of not just American womanhood. She represents the best of Americanism period. Great student, accomplished scholar. Hard worker devoted wife, and mother intellectually. Brilliant. You know why this was so important. To American. Traditionalist I mean having originalist and other originalist on the Supreme Court is huge. But you know what any conybeare gives them. The traditional me gives us hope. Hope hope sometimes in short supply when you see the news media and social media platforms and and lefty politicians conspiring to change the foundation of a country that has been nothing but great the greatest country in the history of mankind. To, see a woman like Coney Barrett rise to that level through her own smarts in our own hard work. GIVES US hope gives us hope that? The country's not lost cause. Our three of the mark belling late afternoon show here on news talk eleven thirty wins at Jerry. Back. In for mark needed a personal day today this months ago, he'll be back tomorrow. I'm not going to. Get a chance to talk about one I really wanted to talk about and. In this day part on Friday. Because there's five Fridays. In the month of October, we are doing our Friday finale panel, which is made Benyounes Dave michaels rotating each doing our together we. We all do all three hours, but we take turns being the main host. And we'll talk about The news media being on the ballot. This time around because if if Donald trump is run out of office by duplicitous. News media that's going to be a huge victory for that news media and their perception of their own power is going to expand exponentially and any. Hope any. Thought of there being a truly free and fair press in. America will go by the wayside maybe forever but certainly for generations. So we'll talk about that on Friday, not going to get a chance to do that today. Before I get into what I am going to do. We just talk a little bit about the Biden influence peddling story, which is still. Growing. UNLESS, you're on CNN or the New York Times or The Washington Post then it literally not existed. But let me give you the fall force in cash contest keyword for the five o'clock hour you got forty minutes to get this done text, the word home h o m. e. home text, the word home to two, hundred, two, hundred, and if your. Entry is selected as the nationwide winner. You can win a thousand dollars instantly or you will win a thousand dollars in cash instantly again. The word is home h Emmy text home to two hundred, two, hundred do so before the top of the hour and if you choose to play the fall fortune cash contests, you'll get a text confirming entry plus Iheartradio Information Standard Data and message rates apply in this nationwide contest text the word home to two, hundred, two, hundred before. The top of this hour. So if you want evidence. Of Media Bias and if you want evidence of information, manipulation. The circumstances surrounding hard tangible evidence of influence peddling by the Biden family with Joe fully aware even meeting with some of the principles. As stunning as it is troubling, that's where we are. That's that's the level of media bias in this particular set of circumstances is. Like nothing I've ever seen. We all know that about the majority of the national news media ignoring the appearance of impropriety when Joe's Kit Hunter Hundred Biden was put on the board of Ukrainian. Twenty fifteen burris MMA. At the time. Papa Joe was point person for Ukrainian policy for the Obama Administration. This looked so bad. People at the State Department went to the Vice President Joe Biden staff and said Hey. This really looks bad. What are we doing here in? The State Department officials in essence got no response or blown off. The result of that process. Joe Being. The head of Ukrainian policy for the Obama Administration Hunter Getting put on the board of Barack Obama the result of that with hunter. Biden no experience and energy no experience dealing with Ukraine he collects millions of dollar. Dollars in salary compensation for sitting on that board. In who knows how those funds may have been redirected? Did hundred, all three, point seven, or eight, million of. them the GO-TO JOE's brother. Jim Did sell the left handed way get back to Joe don't know you take the media would be curious about that though. But the bind family influence peddling to subsidiaries of the Communist. Chinese. Government. Comes with irrefutable evidence. This isn't speculation of the motivation of a Ukrainian energy company why they stuck the vice kid on their board and paid them millions of dollars. That's a little bit of conjecture. You can assume why they were doing it. They wanted to buy Joe Biden's ear. In the case of the Chinese. Communist government. This subsidiary this. Energy. Company. This comes with irrefutable evidence of influence peddling. Hunter Biden's laptop in possession of a do nothing. By the way I do nothing FBI has incriminating emails. It's got incriminating text messages incriminating audio that fleshes in. How this Chinese company was willing to pay ten million dollars to a business incorporated in and basically run by the Biden family and their business partners. With the sole purpose, the express purpose of trafficking in the Biden family influence. One of these business partners is Tony Bubble. Linski. He went on Tucker Carlson show on the Fox News Channel last night and showed how the process of the money flowed. I didn't generate that email, James? Gilead. January that email and in that email chains gilead goes through intimate detail of what each individual's request were from a compensation perspective and how the equity in the. Enterprise. would be divvied up very important may thirteenth that email was generated by somebody else to me in an email. There's a statement where they go through the Equity Jim Biden's referenced as ten percent doesn't say Biden it's Jim, and then it has ten percent for the big guy held by H. I. Thousand Percents sit here and know that the guy is referencing. Joe Biden It's that's crystal clear to me because I lived it I met with the former vice president person multiple times and I had been meeting and talking with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden and rob. Walker and James Gilliam? Yeah. And here's the thing Bo Lipsky in this in this interview with Carlson talks about meeting Joe Biden face to face at a table at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in the Greater Los Angeles. Area Beverly. Beverly Hills. They sat behind post so that people couldn't actually see what was going on. By the request of somebody in the Biden. Party. Did they can have sat in in a part of the the launch of the dining room there there wasn't a good line of sight to other people in the. In the facility. But he say talked to him directly about it and that that Joe Biden. If you didn't make reference to specific money changing hands certainly seemed to have knowledge of the business operations at what ballistic called a very high level. This huge stuff. And you'd think the major media outlets in America will be curious about this bots. Not One word on the New York Times website about this story. CNN's website I checked they had news about Kim, Kardashian her dashing throwing a party in a private island without the proper cove protections. They had a story about Panara adding pizza to its menu, but not one word about influence peddling by the Biden family. Apparently Pineiro Pizza Trump's. The Biden Story. You think of this one of the trump kids the attention would get well yeah they've. I mean this would be the scandal of all scandals, but it is a huge scandal. Regardless of the political leanings are the philosophical leanings of the players. This is a hostile foreign government trying to buy influence buying as hundred put introductions remember that's what you saw introductions. Of a person who has a powerful member of the United States government and using those connections to Ford, their own interests, the interests of the communist Chinese for God's sake. The major liberal national news media outlets will spike the story past November third or until the election is decided. But I think it's quite possible. Perhaps even likely. That the big leftie national news media outlets eventually cover this story. What do you think they're going to actually cover this? Yeah. I think there's two possibilities. Here's the first scenario Joe Biden blows. The left's big opportunity to bury Donald Trump and biden loses the election. The national news media. Now in need of a scapegoat covers the Biden family corruption story and makes the case that old joe wasn't fit for office anyway, and then you would have likely had of her to have gone through a process of resigning. Had He actually one? It'll be sort of their default excuse you know what? This wasn't going to happen anyway and they'll cover the story that way. The second possibility? While, more sinister even maybe a little bit more plausible think of this. Joe Biden wins the election. and. Now, the national news media is the launching pad to get rid of Joe and clear the decks for Kamala Harris a radical socialist agenda being employed by the federal government of the United States. The national news media starts to play up the corruption story. And they do so until such point when other powerful members of the Democratic Party walk over to the White House, they pull Joe Aside and give them the opportunity to resign as opposed to being forcibly removed from office. It the same way that Barry Goldwater and some other Republicans walked over to the White House. In early August of Nineteen, seventy four and told Richard Nixon. That his presidency was no longer viable. And that the best thing he could do is resigned because if he didn't resign, he was going to be impeached, convicted and removed from office. Scenario farfetched that the national news media would cover the story. In order to get rid of Joe at some point I don't I don't think it's farfetched at all hardly I. It's well within the realm of possibility I put nothing past the. Deceit. And the duplicitous nature of. The national news media at this particular moment in time. I'll let me go to Greenvale Elliott and go ahead. How you doing good. But my point is you got a lot of news media that are not doing investigative journalism at all and yet. Who What do they hold up as the models of investigative journalism but Woodward and Bernstein who dog doggy dog and try to find dirt on Nixon and it's it kills me every time. I see you know 'cause I'll watch them those other news networks just to see what the other side you think. It kills me when they tried out in the book that the guy wrote. Woodward aggressee and I can't remember which one wrote the book about a few months ago about. Bob Woodward but Carl Bernstein is far more agree GIS lefty hypocrite than than Woodward's bad enough. But Tara burs has turned into a caricature of himself. Right. But why would the left need the left League wind wing media? They hold these guys up like they're wonderful for doing all this investigation but then the media. Are. Doing the investigation. Happen. Political leaning L. that's it. You answered your question it's it's. It's the ideology of the target that is the key components of whether or not a member of the news media is a hero for going after a story or if they're acting against what the national news media we consider to be their best interest. So anyway. Why did the New York Post story? Paul's asking because the New York post of the publications of the East Coast Fourth Oldest newspaper fourth largest newspaper rather in America their niche is the conservative part of the East Coast you know corridor, the Daily News New, York City is kind of is lefty a little bit more moderate. The New York Times is very lefty Washington Post, very lefty Boston. Herald very lefty. Boston Globe and the Boston Herald. Four thousand circulation in the country. No I mean it's a big deal. The New York. Post. Did the story the other thing I can't get you today They had with regard to. A. Testimony in front of Senate Committee of the heads of facebook and Google and Jack Dorsey of twitter. He's delete the leading twitty at the head twitty. It is that a that's a good word right twitter and he's he's the head twitty it. He's got a nose ring now and is like scruffy beard he looks like he just wandered onto some homeless encampment San Francisco. Anyway. So they have this this testimony and Ted Cruz very aggressively asks. twitty at Dorsey Hey. Why The New York Post is incredible news organization. A newspaper folded over two hundred years ago by Alexander Hamilton. And you thwarted and completely censored a story that had political overtones. Why did you do? It will because we thought there was the possibility that the material was hacked and we have a no hacking policy on twitter and cruises like hacked. There's documentation about one hundred signature on a on a a repair bill that was his laptop, and then twenty at Jack Dorsey goes will yeah. You know what with regards we stand by the policy of not trying to be a platform to spread hacked material. But in this case, we made an error how we applied to policy. So now they can post it two weeks later, takers goes. As of right now as time speaking, if you try to post, it gets Florida, it gets it gets blocked. And Dorsey goes well, yeah. The New York Post can open up the with after go back and delete their original tweet. And then re tweeted then it's okay and and crews S. so in essence, what you're saying is that that a major media outlet in the United States has to bow at the altar of your rules and regulations in order to have legitimate news be allowed to be placed on what should be your. Public Forum. Moon News. Now, day he sounds yeah now no Jack Dorsey. You've never heard him speak before he's not the most articulate creature going anyway I didn't have time to do that story but apparently I just took two minutes. We had all the audio we had like five minutes audio that. We didn't get to run by the way. They put a lid on Joe Biden like this morning at eight thirty. More than a popular back in the seventies. Everybody to live is No case. Okay. All right. Here's what Alytus. This is like when I was in high school, this is like the mid seventies a nickel bag was a quarter ounce of of buried bad ditch weed pot a half was a half ounce. So fourteen grams a full out is what you think. It would be full ounce in a lid was slang for three quarters of an ounce of. A dime bag is, is a half an ounce? Yeah. Dime. So nickel dime lid full ounce though that's the progression I was GONNA kick over put a lid on Joe Joe Looks Anna couple lives or the or or tell ya come. Of Harris claim to be some big dope smoker. Now listening to to rap artists before the cut their first album. Crazy. Anyway, the put a lid on Joe Joe supposed to go do something Joe's apparently supposed to be in Wisconsin on Friday trump is going to be in green. Bay Friday afternoon. Joe Supposed to be in Wisconsin. But they aren't saying where or when if you think I'm kidding they it is Wednesday night they have not released guys going to be here in about thirty six hours. They haven't said where or when he's going to appear and there's a reason for that. What did you think the reasons? Well Paul. Says, they're unsure if he can do it I think they could load you're in an airplane and get them here. They don't want to have reporters there to ask questions they don't want trump people. The Biden Rally is Twenty Biden supporters and five thousand trump people shouting him down. That's what that's why they don't want to reveal the location. Joe's going to stay in the basement. The national news media if you've read reporting would have you believe that Joe's got the election in the bag and does it need to campaign that is not the case? The real reason that Joe is being held hostage in his basement by his own handlers is that it's all risk for them to let them out. They can't run the risk of letting Joe, be asked about the corruption story if he's out in public. And they can't run the risk of showing more mental deficiency on the part of the candidate. Biden's handlers. No. There's no upside of having Joe out on the campaign stump Joe's that win any hearts over Joe's convincing people to vote for him. The only reason people revolt Joe's they're voting against trump. There's no value nor upside of having Joe Biden on the Stop it's all risk that's why he's in the basement. Are Some story in the Washington Post. Well, it hasn't saying that you know Josie focusing now on picking out his cabinet members he sort of measuring the drapes for the Oval Office, that kind of crap. That's not yet. They can't let them out. That's it's all risk. No reward. Forty-four newstalk eleven thirty W. Mark belling late afternoon show Jerry bought. He's back tomorrow. Before we close up shop, we will give you the six o'clock word in the fall fortune cash contest We'll give. I am having a Biden moment. I said I said cash guys. We'll give I said like I was saying something else. We'll give you the six o'clock order the fall fortune cash-conscious period. I had another thought I was GONNA head out of that. There is no other thought that's. False telling me that I need my my lovely wife next to me to whisper what I should be saying Allah Allah Joe Biden. George trump. The weather forecast from the Fox. I'M GONNA go back to the prompter the weather forecast from the fox six weather experts mostly cloudy tonight lows upper thirties tomorrow cloudy windy cooler perhaps some drizzle mid forty s for highs partly sunny on Friday highs in the lower to mid forties Saturday they'll windy and warmer highs mid fifty s, and then it cools off for Sunday with highs right around forty degrees Paul, what is the current temperature? Fifty two degrees right now here at news talk eleven thirty W I S N, open up the phone line here's a question for you. Accurate mortgage talking testing four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty accurate mortgage talk and text line four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty. What do you think the state of the presidential race is in Wisconsin and or nationally? Give me a quick call to do this in a ten minute segment. So you have to go really fast four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, eleven thirty. Let me give you some observations I think all of these things are true. I am not sure any of them are definitive. Here's the one that I most confident in because my eyes and my ears, my eyes and my ears here at. Donald Trump has all of the momentum Joe. Biden has none usually not always usually momentum at the end of a campaign is the harbinger of who wins the race not always but. The vast majority of the time. Secondly I. Think Joe Biden's comment in last Thursday debate about phasing out fossil fuels has hurt him in Pennsylvania. How do I know this? Because both campaigns are studies suddenly spending naturally a lot of time but wild amounts of money in Pennsylvania. The Biden campaign spending in the urban areas of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and the trump campaign spending everywhere else especially in southwestern Pennsylvania, so-called coal country. I think it's that comment by Joe Biden was a major gaffe. Also trump's campaign stepping up media buys in Wisconsin and Minnesota, as well as Pennsylvania. Let me let on a little secret here in Wisconsin. The trump campaign is placed in order for adds on an urban formatted station. They're running ads every hour on Wfan. But on an urban formatted station, they've played the by. That's remarkable. It's the trump campaign thinking that perhaps you know moving the African American vote a little bit more to his side could be decisive Wisconsin. That's what that would indicate to me. The the Minneapolis thing is amazing on one station in the twin cities spending darn near twenty thousand dollars on Monday. They spent darn twenty grand in one day. Incredible. Regarding Wisconsin Donald Trump is coming back on Friday Friday afternoon rally up in. Austin Straubel airport in the green. Bay Area. That's his third trip to Wisconsin in seven days. That tells me that Wisconsin's in play. If their internal polling showed that Wisconsin was not in play, the candidate would not be here. Also. Democrats are spending huge money in Wisconsin on down ballot races. and. I think one of the reasons they're doing that is they think that could jourse juice up there turn out a little bit. Then if people aren't all that enthused about voting for Joe Biden, they might come out and vote for some state. Senator. State. Assembly candidate and while they're there, you pull the lever for Biden as well. In the final thing is this just this is Wisconsin more than than anything else. It. Donald Trump said this after his last rally before. Twenty sixteen turned to Mike Pence and said, you know, Mike, it just doesn't feel like loss. and. That's what I'm here to tell you folks I look around and look at the the momentum these huge rallies. It just doesn't feel like trump loss to me i. know what the polling says. DANO DONALD was quoting some other conservative made a really good point. He said pretend you have not seen any polling that the only thing that you've seen is what? Kind of public response has been to the candidates. Who would you say is winning? Well, I think the answer is obvious, right? Let's. Let's take five calls here. and the question is, what's the shape of the race? What's the status of the raise your of it sentiment both in Wisconsin and nationally let's go to Burlington and Matt match your go ahead. Hey, good afternoon I think the polls are basically a mirage. I not buying any of it. I have seen an energy around trump like I have never seen numerous Packer Games Burger Games playoff games the box you name it when it's going to trump rally as ecstatic assigns are everywhere I. Think he's getting over three hundred electoral points. I. Really Do I think he's GonNa crush thanks for the call. One person who is at the walk shaw made a really interesting comment to me. He said it was so much fun to be in a crowd of enthusiastic normal people. Normal you meant good. Old Fashioned Patriotic Americans I. think that's what he what he meant by. By Normal Paul says just being with people. Yeah. I mean there's probably some of that as well. to Caledonia and Marie Marie you're on go ahead. Hi Jerry Well, I hate to say it but I think they think trump's GONNA lose. I think he I think legitimately he would win. But I think that those mail in votes scares the living daylights out of me. Are you talking about nationally or in Wisconsin? all over the entire especially in Wisconsin. But I just think of mail and votes are those ballot boxes everywhere. I don't trust it. I don't I don't trust it. They've got everything in it. They've got all the money and and they they I don't. I've never seen anything like this before so much hate for an American I've just never seen it and I think they're gonNA they're gonNA feel it. I think a lot of people share your. Your concern in that regard I will say this a long time ago I knew somebody who works for a lobbying organization, in DC, and they did a lot of work parallel in conjunction with the NC. This is back during George W, Bush's first term and this person who worked on of the Legal Side of ledger. told me that the belief in those days the RNC was that they started out about a half to three quarters of a point down nationally because of voter fraud in urban areas. So in those days somewhere between a half, a million three quarters of a million votes. I think that could potentially be child's play with regard to the number of ballots just floating around in the ether. With all of this you know we can't go to the polls because of covert nonsense. Let me go to I believe it's a Tory in Caledonia. Tori. Did I get that right Yeah okay. Go ahead. I think I think trump is going to win Wisconsin plus three I I feel like Dental Donald really did a great job breaking down the numbers for the polls nationally ended Wisconsin So I think that trump will have over three hundred electoral votes nationwide I feel like even with any of the fraudulent votes that we know are going come in, and I think with those in bind I take trump is still gonNA win plus three is there weren't Any fraudulent votes trump would with five it's going to be interesting with the thanks for the call Sarah, the key will be the level of turnout we know Dane County is going to be huge the level of returned ballots. There were there were mailed out from the city of Milwaukee will be another key indicator. If you WANNA look at bellwether areas for the State of Wisconsin Racine county the city ever seen is very very liberal. The rest of her seen county is extraordinarily conservative. If, we're seeing county seems to be going one way or the other nearby. Tell you how the state goes one way or the other, and then the upper part of the Fox valley. In the middle of the Fox Valley Winnebago county were Oshkosh is that's pretty left. It's got a lot of public employees and that sort of thing you get north of air into. Menashe. Nina appleton Kimberly Connor that's pretty conservative, and then you get into the southern part of Brown county were Green Bay is it can be pretty blue there if if Brown county and the upper part of. The Fox valley are going towards trump that would be very, very good sign for the president to the side Eric you're out and go ahead. Hi I just wanted to chime in and say I think he's GonNa Lose Wisconsin I. Think he's GonNa Lose Texas I. Think He's GonNa lose Florida and the only shot that he's got. I'm right now I'm undecided. And he would have my vote. If he today would come out and say I'll give you a forty five weeks of extended unemployment at eight hundred plus dollars. He has my vote, but he won't do well no, he won't do it in the Democrats negotiate that either Eric and you know I'd you can. You can talk all you want to I mean Florida might be a coin toss I I know that the president is going to be there tomorrow they've sent the Biden Surrogate Brock Obama there to do a couple of of rallies that were extraordinarily flaccid. Use, that, word. On purpose because that's kind of how they they were pulled off. You know trump losing Texas is. I think that's a fantasy. Trump you know he may not win Texas by ten or twelve points. It might be five or six points. The one thing that is really going on. Acknowledged by the national news media is some of the pulling of Hispanic individuals both in Florida and Texas it could be that you know that trump was down thirty, five, thirty, seven percent of the Hispanic vote in both of those states. If he does, he will win them both decisively last thought here from the GUANACO and Bryan Bryan. Thanks for taking my call. I think trump's slightly lead in Wisconsin they nationally, he's GonNa Sweep the the swing states I have a car service similar service. I can't remember the last time I've seen so many minorities they're actually have an educated reasoning why either voting for trump whether it be jobs whether it be safety they do while on ordinary communities I, like what you see on TV and I, can tell you I've been. On the conservative Rally for Thirty Years I've never seen the passion the energy and trump rallies. It always gives bumps sometimes I feel like the packer game if I close my eyes. Call. Well, you know that's that's high praise. Wisconsin political rallies goods go into a packer game I suppose that's a that's a big deal. You know I think that a lot of this is still absolute conjecture. Obviously I will say for all the. Factors that I pointed out. It doesn't feel like a loss to me here locally in Wisconsin. Seems to have all the momentum both locally and nationally. And I've been doing, this is my tenth presidential campaign. I. Covered I started. Covering presidential campaigns in Nineteen eighty-four when I worked at the other radio station and it was the the. Ronald Reagan Mondale in. Reagan brace. I started working here literally two days before the the George H W Bush Dukakis. Election. I've seen a lot of these late momentum is huge. I went against my instincts and twenty sixteen when I saw all the momentum trump side and and hillary waning. that. That's there's something going on here. I, kind of ignored it but we certainly did not ignore it in all eight and twelve even. In Two thousand twelve when Barack Obama had some baggage from legislation that wasn't all that popular. It's still seemed to at the end last week we can have that his campaign had the momentum had the rallies. They didn't turn out the minority communities or the youth vote in two thousand twelve like they did in two thousand and eight but they did enough to win a fairly decisive victory not nearly as big as Obama over. McCain in two thousand eight. But he beat Romney pretty decisively. When you saw that you know they work in a win in states like Florida and Virginia was decisively going to Obama that sort of thing you knew. That it was it was a night that was not can be very good for for Mitt Romney five, Fifty, eight news talk eleven, thirty W I s and like I said stick around right after this break, we're going to give you the word in the fall I in cash with the six o'clock hour. Afforded stuck eleven thirty W. I s mark belling this late afternoon show. Jerry bought in for mark. Mark's back tomorrow. He just needed to have one day off today. Fall Fortune cash contests word for the six o'clock hour you have until the top of the hour to get this everybody play text, the Word Fun F. 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So we want to talk about the severity of disease, the percentage of hospitalizations even though the test. The positive history has gone up in Wisconsin. The percentage of hospitalizations remains roughly the same about five percent one, hundred twenty. The vast majority of those hospitalizations, our people over the age of. Seventy. I mean like like nearly eighty percent are over the age of seventy. I don't diminish any death of the one, thousand, eight, hundred, Ninety, seven Wisconsin nights who've died with Calvin, in keyword, not necessarily because of Covid, but with a positive Kobe test. All those who have passed away again, eighteen hundred and ninety seven of them. Seventy five percents of those eighteen hundred and ninety seven had been over the age of seventy as of today no one in Wisconsin under the age of twenty has died with Covid nineteen, not one zero. And Total of ninety two people under the age of fifty have died in the state of Wisconsin with covert ninety, two out of eighteen, hundred, ninety, seven. So. In other words? Eighteen hundred in what five individuals. Were all over the age of fifty when they passed away. In Wisconsin with the presence of covert. tough-talking Tony came out yesterday and said, stay home everybody stay home, which is you know disastrous for the economy. This this lockdown doesn't work. I think we've established that. But if you're over seventy and especially if you're over seventy and have other health problems that might be reasonably good advice, you know you should take extra precautions and perhaps isolate yourself. But if you're under fifty given the statistical data that we have entered disposal that advice of staying at home is absurd. Advisors, goal of Your Life at that point. So. That's one thing the badgers Nebraska game, which is supposed to happen in Lincoln Saturday night that has been canceled. That was not the was canceled because of the level of positive test rate among the Badger personnel apparently Paul Chris and the head coach als is also tested positive and He's older and Chubbier he might have a little bit bigger problem with this. I'm not too worried about. Graham Mertz, the the sensational freshman. Phenom quarterbacks twenty, one, thousand nine or whatever he is. He's he's he's probably GONNA be fine. but this was the big ten's call, and the question now is, will the badgers lose more than one game to a covert outbreak? The University of Florida cursed me hasn't played down at least two maybe three weeks since they had their outbreak. Finally. This in California Governor Gavin newsom. His health. Department, in California has issued rules for Thanksgiving dinners and gatherings in the Golden State and these rules are just massively over the top. Let me quote from an article published a daily signal dot says this the California Department of Public Health latest guidance for private gatherings imply the state is now the head of your household here are some mandatory. Pertaining to Thanksgiving. I all gathering supposed to be held outside secondly, gatherings that include more than three households are prohibited. Third as much as possible, any food or beverages, an outdoor gatherings must be in single serve disposable containers. If providing single serve containers is not possible. Food and beverages must be served by a person who washes or sanitize their hands frequently and wears a face covering. In other words they want Thanksgiving to be more like a soup kitchen, just get line in those slops and stuff on your plate. Also some other recommendations and concessions. California State Department of Health. Attendees at this Thanksgiving events may go inside to use restrooms as long as the restrooms are frequently sanitized. I'll go bird just one of the to take smuts, and now we gotta go in there and sanitize, which is probably a good idea after uncle uncle Bert leads the the restroom anyway to sanitize regardless of of the head being present. Gatherings. The health two percents should be two hours or less. So Slam that Turkey down your way. The hosted collect names of all attendees contacted for information in case of the need for contact tracing later. Says you Nazi Germany well. Should what your Thanksgiving guests bringing an unauthorized green bean casserole? A big Pan called the health department immediately. Like, aunt Bessie tackler take away that casserole. Drop that Pan of Pumpkin flush, put your hands in the air. The. Three family ruled by the way that could be used to your advantage. If you've got a bunch of jackals in your family, you could just exclude them based on that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry Billy. You'RE JAG and we're not coming this year because well, we can only have three families. How about this one just be more reasonable solution California. Okay make a nice Turkey dinner. Take some of the Turkey and mashed potatoes and stuffing and sweet potatoes and Pumpkin Pie and what roles I hate. The cranberries I won't include the cranberry sauce love grammars. No. You take that you. Take a nice portion for to you. Drop off that or read bump and Gandhi's house. Everybody else gather for Thanksgiving put bumpy and Gammy on a zoom call with. And and they they can attend or like a facetime. They can attend virtually while they're eating their food. We're keeping them safe. We're not breathing are covid. Laden breath on them and everybody will be happy. Have a few drinks at loosen up. Like I said, before you WanNa know what Joe Biden's America is look California's now and multiply that by forty nine states stats what Joe Biden's America would be okay. I have pulse I'm wondering where Christmas would be like it'd be Santa and a mask and you know the the presence will be sanitized and you're there could be no presents. No presents can be passed from hand to hand way presence will have to be like in a pile that sanitized ahead of time. All right. I gotTA GET OUTTA here that'll do it We've got Sean Hannity following news coming up next.

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#70 - Tunnel Vision with Richard Field

Dental Leaders Podcast

1:00:33 hr | 5 months ago

#70 - Tunnel Vision with Richard Field

"So i think we shouldn't get used to sing that much money. We shouldn't just take it for granted. We should respect because it's money and often huge might save money but you're they're providing a service anew are worth money but you should never you take it for granted is dental leaders. The pulse caused way. You get to go one on one with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your haste payment. I'm proud salon king on the podcast today. One of the young dentists. I considered to be one of the most talented young dentists that i've come across richfield. I've known since fourth year of dental school. Yeah yeah and be following his career from that time since since i. I think you are a student help. Type c d and since then. We've done quite a lot together. We review on conferences together. Richards helped teaching on the make. Of course but i think it's very interesting interview rich because you've had a bunch of very high profile associate jobs and now the title of the youngest ever to become accredited by the does quietly in itself but i think for all news trying to make it out there a young dentist. The blueprint following. What you've done in your career really will be helpful to a bunch of people have you buddy. How nice way to run. Yeah so you'll dentist. Yes yeah he was hired last last year and a half ago. Ross already as a child who said much pressure to become a dentist. Who did you did you yourself out early on. Did you decide you to be downstairs. Actually quite a late decision for me. I'd say if anything might not not pay me off. It certainly didn't encourage it. Because i don't think particularly we didn't enjoy the business of enjoyed the side. There was never any kershaw tall really actually on. I actually only did work experience. So i could tell people to stop asking me. Do i want to be done slam dod so really when he did the work. He's almost spiked Is going to be a dentist by actually find the identity work experience. I realized i had no idea why. Dentists dead really actually quite enjoyed myself and actually from there of never never let back. Yeah it was. It was surprised yourself becoming well. I originally wanted to be vat an allergic to most animals. That quickly ruled by. And then before i got my exam results in fifth year which is second last year of school in scotland. I was all sets coats kitchen college. Adam three of my four grandparents they were shacks still set in college and then ended up doing the work. Experience i got better results is on those expecting sorta just went out because i was gonna come onto the food. He side of things. One of the few people who i will really trust with restaurant recommendations anywhere in the world in fact most of the time we go on these conferences and things is the sole secretary who plans out meals. So that's interesting. I didn't even know that man. I though i did those that your background was your do astros. Just finished his phd in actually not not related. But he did it. Feel dental school and i think it really annoyed him when someone came up to new thought. Go away from rich feels brother. So what's he done. So he who i might get wrong. He has done his phd in nerve regeneration. So i think part of it actually was to do with ideas or dommage. i don't. he's much smarter than me said. Oh quite understand a lot. When he talks spoke of something do with nerve regeneration. I know parts of was with the second dental school and the idea so dental stooge. When did you study in edinburgh and so actually a number schools about kabar about most of and during During dan's still but knows i was and i was i. I did apply to london. And cardiff faction was my seconds even going to glasgow and cardiff cardis. That's tom went. So we could mac at toddlers years earlier where i went to the we would have met each. How much knowledge of dentistry did you have. I mean outside of the obvious once. You decided that once you decide to become a dentist then start taking northern trust in what. How much of an advantage is it. Time for daddy's dentists and we know got a lot of you guys that people might undecided and john and christine coachman is more interested in surgery. He wasn't really a restorative. Enjoy their in store. Decided we never talked about dentistry. Ever really so from my side of things. That wasn't really an advantage or disadvantage. It wasn't really anything and from from my experience by knowing some people if their parents have sort of proxies or go into the family business that could make a difference but from is side of things. It didn't really play out other than the guy interviewing glasgow's in my dad's year didn't know their friends announced. That could have gone. Well we you like is a dental student. How'd you find the dental. We are high flesh. Because when i met you in that fourth year i did think you quite ambitious focused at that point even well. I do remember again. Cooled off pedes for being difficult. Because they wanted you to put at dobbins on the mike brush and i felt that wasn't enough. I didn't say that. I remember game pool decide for that saying that. Just do what you're told did of my own complicit k. I thing dense by a competitions. A sarah max competition. I'm going to give a comb. Said h dunzo scoop. And i find off this okay so it was probably that by taking photographs than school is really. They made a big thing to. You can get your own voters pre-booked photographer. He then made a big song and dance by complicated photographs. Were to be taken. He he'd sweat onto clinic with is cameras. Are you'd have to go down to this. Massive photo studio and there was a couple of cases that i won't photographed. But they made it as if it was this really complicated difficult thing which i think it was the wrong thing to do for announces. They should have been more sort of open a bi hike talk. This mystical art am. I probably did annoy my sheets. I like my tutors. Probably annoyed them a little bit but it was sort of liked school. There's one rally questions in this one see what you just shut up and listen better with the ones in light questions. On the particularly my prostitutes he was already dotson he was he was very encouraging and then there was an hueco others who started to get and need a surrogate his office again that no one used to us that which was quite good so there was a few if you showed an interest. They they really enjoyed that. There is a just worse than a fair to teach. Didn't they want your feedback laszlo as a as a fourth year turning up to be a cd conference that feel. I'm because it might. they exist. Let alone turning up to a conference that is open to blow you. Away is a major ignored him going to. There's an email saying anyone wanna help. I knows they thinking well Sometime unique that'd be fun. So actually what was going to but one of our one of jesus said he was disappointed in me for going to help all the cowboys other conference. So there's definitely because it was anti cosmetics so there's definitely some of the is definitely some positive feedback from the dance school some negative feedback from my point. He ate changed my life conference if i can say it without sounding too. Cheesy dot conference change my life. Because i wouldn't be here today if i hadn't gone metals people if i hadn't seen what you could actually do as then besides from flu removable ventures. There was it was the the key turning point was in lecture. It was a panel discussion. Between chris or can hires and james russo. And that was the that was a defining moment grew into that light june. Seeing these three guys present these three cases doing things. I never see northolt were possible and that was really amazing so yeah i would recommend to any ambitious student. Who will still the what's going on in this big white whitewell to turn up to that thing. I mean the everyone who did turn up ended up having a great career. I could see it. It's one of those things that you know. You have no idea about until you can have your idea about s- okay then you qualified. When did you do not up in scotland bt and harley which is small tire near quick. I lived in bright per year average. Say i actually moved to london for a few months. London then terrified me. I wasn't ready for that and moved to brighton. An commute from brightens hordley near got outweigh for bt and fan i was very close. Actually to going to stroh i did interviews with a on skype line them up and i just ended up getting all from a practice in histon and except made a decision. It's not gonna come back so there's a long way to go to go for a year. We'll do that. But yeah i got offers from places into non a massive massive practice at fifty four five reasons. You da contract. I think there was no. We can book an appointment to turn off. I'll have on when you you're finished with your patient. You went downstairs in the pools the next file from the the waiting asians they provide all and you call the nation and stood up off the ground. There wasn't a seat and he didn't them up. Did they treatment. And then they're notes throwing back in the pilot and so the next time they wanted to turn checkup. You say de very long. I was there for six weeks up saying that while. I don't really know to be honest. I got accused of gaming. And i didn't really know what was on. I think that. I i wanted to see this person again three months after because they had an anomaly. I wanted i wanted to flee right on them and the boss was a bit. I don't really know he didn't like me. He said i was gaming the system. I couldn't work there and this is a lunch. Next friday would be my My last day. I'm occasion when experience human off and that was that was an interest that was interesting by. Don't regret shortly after that. It was an interesting time. I was unemployed for four months. And i was sleeping on a like you know on the floor of one of the other associates in the in the process spare room until he got drunk one night and it was like mate when you moving i announced. Oh yeah and then. I moved into the french in school for the and then offer of and again. That was. Yeah that was. That was my stepping stone from teams. Private factors a bit lazy so you went to ken to do that. Joe kant's i worked at two jobs at the same time. Almost the job with tests on the interview was terrifying. He got me in my business partner. He needs them to your sorry go next score and filling up to fire left mentor. We were never there on the same day but you could email them any time of day like three in the morning or whatever and he'd reply within five minutes ago experienced then when alighting the sarah. Ab aces. i didn't sort of wanted for any material and thing. So that was. I mean that was tossed go and within a few months. Is i cold cold. Cold bunch of pots with cb's one of was quite far away. It was nasty. Susan chelmsford one of your previous guests on demand do alleged. Yea still to the day. One of my favorite places. I've ever work. He knows how to run a practice and he knows how to keep happy so advanced and so in the most beautiful prices. I've ever been. What were you doing general dentists in that situation. Funnily enough i was there for about six months and that was a real sensitive. Move this place on it turns i. I went back to university lecture notes and we eat at electrons surgery design and example used. When was the surgery that i was working on these practice on iran abide by their general. Dentist obviously ed. I go all the bonding cases. Ab stuff in years. They they had a sexy and and it was. That was my. I say sarah was an interesting one because it really talk to Well you saw your margins on screen time saying i don't necessarily. I'm not a huge fan of sarah in terms of aesthetics. I know it can be beautiful. Your lots of work into it but the one thing i was very grateful for serach for was for teaching me. Teach me that ego pratt. Well and see your margins. Econ see them on a fifteen inch blown up monitor. You're going to see them in your little stone auto. So how did you take the opportunity to learn about implants while you yesterday who There and i see if i wanted to implant has never really interested me Surgery site of restorative site they bought. I mean i've played some implants with with my current boss. They'll funds of success rate to still there. Adam it's not something that really interest me. Tall surgery is something. You've got to be doing day in day. I like anything ten hours to to get the same scared of blood. So along the way you're sort of saying You've had the fortune of working for some of the best that right you with difficulty and anti but which causes what you intending. Actually quite early we started doing course is actually in fifth year. That's through the be a c. d. and one of them was with either clark and it was a course. Am i think it was like one of the regional. Study groups. And i'm really glad i did that. Course because among though after. I'd had patient or patient in the clinic was my one of my good friends girlfriends and she had old class order to. I'd sort of in my mind fit and students demand set all replace up for. He will do cry. I'm obviously having no idea that a single sensual crime is one of the hardest things you can do dentist batch after this this komsic course. That may be actually. Maybe i can do this another way. And i go speaking to the car guy on it. Segues into one of my my motels. If we don't ask don't get amount asked him like he's some sort of got this young girl and he's not me this kit and we ended up two to three hour clinics to do my first sort of big cost for am on my friends. Go find it was actually still larry. Today i did it in two thousand and six. I six thousand eight hundred eleven and it still bear on any later. Actually go app the guy into do one of rv. t study days so the things. Since before i was graduated on the one that has made the biggest impact from me was was christians. Chris course the year long one did that straight out of et. And if i hadn't done that course goes out of it. Was something job at tastes than the job undies done that course i would've i wouldn't have had the beginnings of the skills to sort of do confidence to do the cases. I need to today so of course from as soon as he can would be my my voice. It's interesting chris. Himself didn't used to take people that he didn't. I was first abstain He allied junior started the beast one year in clinic when your general practice before we could of course i was the first he laughing at and straighten bt. And i think neither actually does the routine a because you don't have to teach habits to be a better about your starting point better foundation dot gorse iraq minute to everybody. I know there's others courses are there that are similar book. He's the man he's the original but it's a great causes a great course. He some somehow manages to to combine depth and breadth really simply united. It's an interesting. I always think about courses the depth of bread and somebody might just to get both into the same into the same cool now. Look you've worked in some of the highest profile practices around. I mean it's just a list of usage of london ready. If you the andy resent holly street small dental seizure you've worked worked eleven. Dental ten minutes and end zone not related. That was naked martin. I'm still at eleven there two days the other every other weekend rest time with funds in and now finding with phones favorite people in the world. Tell me this. But i mean it's a lot of i've only worked my whole career and knox in i gave up then stripper but i only in three practices and each one taught me a bunch of stuff by the way some some stuff things not to. But but if you had to distill you you've worked at these places when right at the top of the field nuggets on how to run a practice run and you've always been on the side in these prices but what are what are the key things you fluence about. Practice management when patient by team management products. Whatever whatever it is. I think he'd take andy for for example i was there. I think it was there. Two thousand twelve. Two thousand fifteen on is still working. There in terms of star is everyone bar people who've retired so i think the first thing is keeps your stock happy because you screwed without them really key while and keeping and i know i i've i've only people listening to this important to me thinking i'll see talking but he's i know i can be quite difficult. I know him dish goats work with but i think in the last few years for sure it serve hammered home. It definitely keep your stop. Poppy while you difficult to work with them but jeff very high standards and something wrong. I've been very high standards for myself. Very high standards. I suppose for the people writing me. But i think the big thing is i get very tunnel vision working nothing else. Nothing else exists. Just the teeth. And i think if you don't know me i can potentially eye to see my come across as quite like i could come come across his quite stern or I get very focused in ago. Very quiet and a lot of our appointments are maybe three four five hours long as opposed to be quite sort of intimidating sitting next. Somebody doesn't really speak for for that much time. How'd you thought that spilling over into the patient pulled me. I mean you've got these high standards but bedside manners definitely all about is not a lotta the time before. These long appointments of spent a lot of time with these people with these patients building. Trust building up sort of conversation but the nurses with our very good They'll they will not gonna be silent for that loan but they'll be russians timer on just sort of looking for something and if that thing doesn't doesn't into hand if now you'll really pissed off. Never i never knew some of these things around. I'm not so many sites nelson as any of that. I just think it's 'cause i'm styling is quite like three. And i'm never i don't get angry surgery. I don't get. I know loaded. And i know all dances see. Throw things right one. That's not me i'm just. I'm just quite a focused person. And if you if it's new to working with me as it to can come across as either ridge or indifferent maybe but certainly. There's no intention behind if i ever work with someone new osage than when i can get quite tunnel vision. Nothing's ever personal. I got quite quiet but it is is just the way i work. Tell me of stuff you've learned from these prices. Okay so treat treat yourself. Well well. I i don't know what from these practices something that i'll often talked to buy from with you're qualified. Dentists is don't make the patients Europe problem and i think i think it takes a good few years to acknowledge because you haven't given the patient decay you. Haven't you have given them perreault. You didn't do the last crying. Don't internalize patients problems. You're there to help them. Don't stress the by an january. I think it takes three or four years to get that way thinking. And that's something that i think is very important in terms of from these practices. It's the a difficult one. Because i really. I don't really know any different. The differences between them to some of them have morning all of them. Do yeah. i've only worked in one. Practice is that a morning huddle and actually that was that was very gauge. That was fifty. Two morning auto. It was what republicans me yesterday. How did he get artists who've today do we have any. Ap's do they need any special things. going Dealing with a labrador. Who's going to the post office. That was very useful. I know the taking fifty minutes of the morning of your day with getting old. You stuff together can be quite challenging of fifty two. I think the first patient was a half night. The morning huddle i. I think it was a nine until nine hundred fifteen so even was in even dentists half now earlier and it was weird. Way of as a self as a self-employed dentist. Having been half an hour before your working is a different way of thinking but actually so many problems avoided from that morning huddle is worth his weight and go for sure. You know as a young dentist gift you've probably been exposed to more. Vip's have have to talk about bigger prices than you're comfortable with. I mean these are expensive practices if work that tickets dot for instance leave the vip's from urban. I mean when when you go to a practice I remember working the place i was not. I definitely couldn't afford to be patient and this place and getting used to those numbers was the challenge that something to the again. I learnt uncriticised course because there is a bay on there was a day or a remember which which day was were. The homework was Yourself in the mirror and practicing large sums of money saying is that okay. Because i think all of them a lot of other owning okay so jim funds going to be going to be fifteen. Thousand pines is that okay. No you just stop. Talking and silence is again from christopher. Course was don't fill. Don't fill the gaps with action speaking. So you're gonna talking about making an investment in your teeth. So i'd never say. I know this is a lot of money to pay. I would say we're gonna be making an investment in your small use of. This is a lot of money to invest in your teeth for something. You're going to be having for a long time is adding adding value. Not apologizing annoying. You're worse and again. I think that's what it goes down in hand with. Not making patients problems your problems. Don't don't be apologetic for the fees that you're charging confused five years down the school you've done thousands upon thousands of thousands of puns with courses. You've got glasses run. Genetic my lips neck cost four. Thousand pines started your pre. That's filled with tens of is pines fourth material your valuable and the patients there. Your help don't make don't be sorry for charging difficult and it's not something you'll get used to quickly but for sure it's just knowing your worth and by the way i've had the opposite situation as well when get used to those high prices then you get a cell phone with the price of the loa feels kind of sit on that sort of side getting is also good to get used to it because i do find myself just looking at this as a numbers filling in. It's just this number realized actually asked a month's wages for someone that's a holiday that's repairing the car that it might and we're just looking at as a well. I already rate is in charge. More about because i've learned a little bit i solicited you're thinking about filling is potentially someone's week. That's the big budget us. So i think we shouldn't get used to setting that much money machine. We shouldn't just take it for granted. We should respect because it's money and it's often huge might of money but you're they're providing a service on you are worth money but you should never take it for granted you've go up in the era of Gtc programs how. How much does that weigh on you. Because you know in in again was range it. It was a thing but it was nowhere near the biggest thing. And i think from from the day he qualified until now it's been maybe the biggest thing of all. How defensive are expandable. I'm very defensive to the point where is turned people away before needing started. Because i don't think that. I can either meet their expectations. Or i just get a funny feeling from someone almost. I don't know if this is a this is an actual sales tactics that people you buy. It is not a sales tactic by one. I really want people to want to work on. Never sell anything to someone and again. I know i keep majnun. Chris but in every single consultation the i do i stay in eugene. Change anything about your smile. And if they say no that. Even if i could see the world aglow on their front office i won't mention it dwell on it because i don't i don't want to do something because i want. I want them to do something else. The someone says is that used it and there's lots of we candidate. But i think in the morning the last thing you think bad then you'll never be happy because you don't want to make a change if you come in one day say right. I wanted to excellence that absolutely all that for you. But i would rather someone asked me to do something unworthy wiser than give someone a twenty thousand punching implying and they do it because they think it's the right thing. I was asked you a question. You to color your teeth because nine times time someone come in and say they want white teeth until you ask and i think that's quite does very soft nice proteins downstream. But if someone just comes in and says you dickens it will. Aesthetics is very subjective thing. So i think is isn't necessarily what you think is that you'd change. And if they say no then the conversation on how much of your work is aesthetics on. How much of. It is functional on a together. The general and much is is that you do to any way cases say nowadays I do more bigger. Added more wear cases than i do. Simple bonding i don't do much bonding. I think as people think i'd do not as much as people think lives i'm happy with like be doing general dentistry and one one new case among i can work on because i i plan things more than i think i probably should. Which sort of is something. I go from from him. Buckle again after christmas course. The unbuckle inclusion program is the best thing i've done because i was turning away a lot of cases i didn't know treat america. It was a by any four years ago. I did ins course in three years three or four years ago. Twenty twenty s disappeared. I can't remember. Think about for years leans course on a tall behind approach. The banker wear cases. It's told me how it's finding things are now. You do a lot of my own. I do my static walks up so they make very clear. Don't i do so. That is alleged. I saw the will be d. And then i said to my lab for my lobbed a lot of time using a guy in cornell. Steve musty big way cases together and work. as much. as i'd say a bite. Fifty fifty withdrawing some. We've we've got need people in the process to be more that the dates day restarted works. The plan is to move more than stray onto onto the new associate and for me to free up time my book to do more of a bigger cases which is what i really enjoy. Enjoy doing Part of a multidisciplinary team or on implant soldiers tarot think to the patients getting the best person for for everything the big disciplinary stuff what aspect of it is what drives you know. I mean some people love the planning. Some people loved mccaw. I love the planning part because it makes me feel safe an. I'm quite defensive. Than just. I wanna make sure what we're doing is right an as explaining that to to the patient and they might come and say i want these t t fixed the plannings convince these teeth but we need to fix these nine others as well. We need to move this year movies there so again. Maybe mcconnell making things fit together. But i wouldn't in the. I know inclusion. But i it's re. I really find it. Satisfying to see things fit together. Am to see that haydn. This tastes will change this. And sometimes even though we're looking at this as we need to involve other other aspects of market as well. I find that quite satisfying when when you put together an older adults in the right place. I find not quite satisfied would would you say. Would you say you on the day of the fifth. You've done that planning that. You know it's all going gonna be fine or is stress glistening g now south. You'll very stressed today. The fit alligators the worst thing in the world days. Go home and have g gin and tonic software. He's just be glad it so average or the plotting. Enjoy the preparation impressions gladwin. I'm glad was days over but it is very satisfying days the worst day so listen but i remember back in the day. How many years. I'm talking about maybe seven eight years ago. Maybe maybe been off to the you with the regional social media. Dentist the i remember you. You were the first one to have your own quite a load of gyp for it. Really get quantum Maybe because you the first it wasn't a thing right but then you cut withdrew from social media quite a law. Tommy told me about it. I i think social media is something that i think is redeem To buy so. I i The first logo. My friends at uni baton. He made me logo as part of his university. Course so he's the same one today at logo stuff on facebook on facebook. Was the thing a people comment says not always for the best and you'd have to. You'd have to build quite thick skin quite early and there was a couple of things that happens a few years later the story when mass in the into but it really laughed really sour taste in my mind was like i don't need in my life maybe to my detriment or not by having fully embraced again ever and i know there are people build businesses on instagram filter. Accel months in advance from instagram news and events There's people that have no other marketing. Authored scrums. I think is fantastic. But it's also quite dangerous not only for than to potentially for patients as well especially the younger ones wanting instagram smiles and sort of the in perspective. I have a very secret. And i'm not gonna tell you. What is the secret pizza. Instagram where i post pizzas. I make in my home oven. And i sent a picture of my smile from bats. Instagram to a dentist on i was small. Got small esteban mile per right lateral gun. I'm ecstatic conclusion. And i said well. What do i need. A nice smile on the angeles twenties. Konia crowds assistance in turkey. It might mean costs but the reply go crimes. And i was like okay. Sometimes the best. Buy bonding and these would work. crimes is better. It will be three thousand pines. Twenty units of to appointments and stimulus pictures and they looked from a lay person's renewed. And that's what we're up against rap against dentists and the general public doesn't buy dentistry sees the nice smile for a nice price and it's very difficult to compete with and on the flip side in the uk. There's a lot of after very careful. I say makeovers with compass. And i love competition. I think it's fantastic. But i don't think what these patients are. Being told is the maintenance long term. So you're seeing a lot of people with big. Compasses smiles on virgin teeth. Very young not knowing the mainstream feature. And i've already had a couple in you. Have these sort of fool my constant nearest on for a very small amount of money. They've already starts to fail and count afford to fix it. And i'm not saying this is every dentist throw dentist. Doing phenomenal work That will last years and years and years and years. But there's also their art and i think would be a very interesting position in three or four years time. All these influences. Our young people in the what influenced teeth need all redone and i wonder. Who's gonna do it stephanie. At issue although. I don't know how you know the people aren't telling people of and you spoken to these patients but you can't always transportation's about that but but but i get i understand where you're coming from. I mean some sometimes. A trend picks up and it has its own sort of legs and then i had shoddy managerial nicole. Because she was talking about tiktok and she's massive on tiktok. I don't nothing will. Does the thing on on tiktok the things that friend like they have juicy headlines and so something something really like in the turkey things trended on ongoing tiktok to turkey and having their teeth and it is problematic with composite. It can go very wrong very quick. If it's not done very well you know the the problems amplified in this tiny little scratch ends up as a big fame later so a to agree with you on that i think with inscription on made they've taken the medical aspects away and it's more of a bg treatment site. People have their hair done most of their teeth done. And i think it is important that the of the current the patients understand that whether having done it might be invasive but it's not reversible the site of it which broadcasts are understood. Yeah especially the no drilling no injection. That thing makes it sound like there's just nothing and and that's something that a lot of people use for the marketing than they tell me about eleven dental one of the most beautiful braxton's i've ever been to in all the most beautiful practices when my civil boxes over i have were in a in a room once windows. You tips place out can just about tell me about. The patients get in dental firms. Who are the most the patient profile. To be honest. I really interesting question I in the patients. That i treat harley street smallest judy harsher dentistry. Do on eleven easier to treat than for example. Patients edged clapham when attendance little. I think the difference is the patients in harley street basis eleven. They are from better off backgrounds. So they're not saving up to come and see you. And i think when the patient saves up to come and see. There's a feeling of ownership from the patient so you they own you. They've paid for your highest. They've paid for your card. They they're giving you all their money. On investing everything they've taken out loans and i think that's very unnerving his attention to workin in whereas the patients in lebanon or hardy street are coming to you because they want the best or or what it perceives the best. They're not going to be financially broken from paying for it and it's a law. It's it's a more. I find actually more relaxed way of working because although of course they're paying a lot of money and you want to do the best job for them possible but treating the patients that saved up or take a look find that really stressful and because their expectations of you are is like everything on you. Everything on block so interesting. How about bristol bristol. I mean you make the move to bristol. When was a couple of years ago and twenty sixteen. I bet the patience the review. The all of these is the real mix. I would say some. Mix between eleven ten clapham in are these streets you've got your general dentistry then you've got your people who've moved to london for whatever reason or your retards the country so i said coup pleats knicks. He can't judge anyone. Anyone any proxies really but you've no idea who's going to walk through the door especially because everyone signs like pirate impersonal venues judge but no. It's it's a real mix and get people travel to london patience on london. Patients allow london patients in london. Underbrush the patients still live in bristol. So it's a real real mix mixed bag and alfonso has several practices right so keep up stealing. So as far as the you'll autonomy in that practice is enough the eat after. Talk to him about what he did was he. Just leave you up to the other but he he. He was up until a few months ago in the room above me three days a week but he's just a clinic in the building directly opposite our practice. He's there was a bit more difficult to evaluate much fun to work for us. It looks it. Looks like every minute is fun him. There's always i mean is better for the patients. Don't go together water from furniture because there's always bottles of beer or are bungee afterwards. Party is really getting fun. is one of the more you feel parts of the decisions rather than an employee which is nice knees. He's variance the team aspect and he's very the dentistry which is rare from someone who owns multiple practices is maintaining the dentistry. One of my my touch chance to going to work there. But why did you move to bristol. Was mena actually cultivable beans. Only been i one. It's actually vow funds. The be eight just sat in passing. Oh you richard senior stuff come work from bristol. Drunk and i think is card. I'm going gonna this guy. Seeing ice give them a call and i call spoke an ended up doing some shadowing For a couple of couple of days and mccain through and we stayed over in bristol but she went to university here at night saw bristol and then is a tyrant was only really working two and a half days a week at a lot free time and ended up had a deal funds or where for six months. I go three on thursday. And friday. And i'd work there and if after six months i didn't like it then. We should cons and i walked away or if i liked that. I'd have to do more days. Which would really be moving through added. The six months love the move through and sort of reversed my commute to eleven so instead of commuting from london gerston versus the and can eat london. When i needed to is up. I remember the first night ago from work in bristol and it was like half plus six and we had dinner and it was eight o'clock. Would we do because in london. You get home. You have dinner. Ten o'clock are we got home and were that well. What do we do now. And we didn't have a tv at this point. We just moved in end up. Going to is undoing shocked by eleven o'clock at night is i can. I wonder well so work takes five minutes. On days feeling specially lazy the italian practice mogo vespers investments working takes me six minutes very different different quality of life much easier to have a work life olympics. 'fantastic tom com and didn't do anything differently. I still do everything. The same by there comes a point. Where unless you love the london lifestyle. It's time to leave. And i was getting to that point so now when you come to london stay in pre co i did and i loved it because i got said. Meet friends for dinner. Get night's sleep. It was not at the moment. I'm going there and back each day. Which is hard. But it's it's no initi- by hoping that one of covid dies in can get back to his thing over by airbnb. Being those sues. nice. I'm catching it. Would people evenings and going chinese and ordering by sections of my knee with the a massive massive customer. That chinese man i went through a phase of ordering it every day for delivery in my office. Come over she very close to that. I was looking on delivery and it was like one point three miles also wa through the menu because one of my buddies who i go with. He's muslim so i could never auto can. S you know the chinese huge abortion. So i was just the whole all my food on. I want to get to a question regarding mistakes. Have you read the blackbox thinking no. It's about plane. Crashes an plane crashes look who's who is full they look at the blackhawks and the whole point of it is. How do we stop this happening again. Where he actually she does. Such into medical says In medicine we're always looking for blaming and for that reason if he was hiding that mistakes so this the idea of time learn from each other's mistakes would be some of us. I got my big mistake. Either way in. I think either third or fourth year thing was third. You've done so. School is one of my first steven compass and i tried jesus flex disc on the back about molar on got stuck insights. The patient you imagine. They're putting the disk and then imagine not get wrapped up in muslim. Love calling the cheap there over. Its said what do you mean you can get it out. None of those completely wrapped up inside persons g. One drill unwind patient good. You only do that once a good. That was a good one. I mean you only. This is one for the rubber dam. Uses it a few sun blast. Make sure you you wipe your rubber dumb completely. Clean the parter. Because once you go bone them nazi he knocks the rubber dam in the padres. Goes then the boned. You're never you're not getting up. You only do that and you only glue veneers together do that once are you. Reading between the teeth. Yeah when you when you slanted a case together or that. You only do that once. Wealthy goodwin so in profits but ends it with the same question if you were listening to this book but the question is you're sitting on your deathbed you've got the five or ten people who are closest to you around you. Hopefully some kids About kids some kids and move out by that time with three pieces of advice that you would leave the world with your your classes. People with say yourself goals in the highest of islanders. She thinks they are because he might surprise yourself. Some towards towards did you is the goal of becoming the youngest ever person to be acquitted by cd so golfing was quite funny for me. Because i sat myself youngest. I wanted to credited before thirty. I will want a work in private practice. Fulltime and i. It was weird because i hit all of my goals released soon really early. Thanks something tom said. And it leaves really weird limbo where you don't really know what to do and i did. I was in private practice within a year of graduating. And i was. I got my accreditation a month for thirty birthday. And then thirty was during the weird for me. Because i was in private practice of law. I was accredited. I didn't really know what else to do. So that was my goal is for the next years. I'm not have any goals that you didn't send alarm clock. I think is quite just nice to just focus on the edge. I didn't do any courses. And i didn't really go to any conferences and just sort of focused on on some of the work on life which was sort of my Was going to be my last my last bit advice but there's more to life than teeth. There's more to life than whatever job you're in your and i think Diner is definitely helped with that. Legal hats is away. Had three or four months where we weren't working and yesterday's of goals is more to life than teeth or were. He became a cook. Extraordinary told me you know. I mean it was terrible but it did get things Definitely i have always loved taking and it gave me a chance to experiment which was good fun. An last are supposed to be. Don't don't compare yourself to others because you can burn over full story and don't care too much about than people think view off. Do you plan for the future. He spend more time with my dog. I think i think i go goes back to the whole thing. I'm quite content at the moment. I don't want to own a practice ever ever now. Never ever count worse iphone. Control freak that you are on the dentistry. So i couldn't deal with everything else. I'm in my surgery. Is my safe space. I know everything is an order of wings going. I know i can do good work. And i don't want to have to think by the admin. I don't think by the politics i don't i don't have to think by added thing. I just wanted to do the work when i go home. I want to spend time with my dog and made pizza sub still yet to taste this pizza and i will be getting the name of the account from enough to concerts. Been a pleasure to have you buddy. It's been a pleasure to have you and unfunny when the curve it gets a bit better. We can Get back to dinners and things we used to but yeah it's been it's been lovely. Thanks for taking the time to do. This of course is dental leaders. The pods cost way. You get to go one on one with emerging leaders in dentistry. Your house payment greedy and perhaps thanks for listening guys. If you got this volume must have listened to the whole thing and just a huge. Thank you both from me and pay through actually sticking through and listening to what we had to say and walk has had to say. Because i'm assuming you've got some value out of it if you did get some value out of it think about subscribing and if you would share this with a friend who you think might get some value out of it to thank you so so much for listening. Thanks for gas. Six star ratings.

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Brian and Chris Springsteen Friendship Episode 6

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Brian and Chris Springsteen Friendship Episode 6

"I remember vividly It was it was. It was nineteen eighty five. We got good report cards. I have an older brother and my mom took us to get Cassette and we could pick and i picked thriller and missile have been eighty six eighty five eighty sticks but i was young i picked thriller and my brother picked born in the usa and we got home and listened the born in the usa. And i can remember thinking. I picked the wrong album. Hello everyone and welcome to a new episode is set. Listen bruce your podcast. All about bruce springsteen is music and mostly as fans. I am your host jesse jackson and we have another friendship episode. That's right march. Is friendship month here as listening. Reuss and i have chris and brian joining me. A welcome is thank you very much for having us. Hsa thanks ravenous. yeah yeah. This is wonderful You know. I love this. This is neither one of you've been on the show before the call out via twitter and you guys like hey we can talk so Chris when we start with you. Tell us a little about yourself. Yeah thanks jesse appreciate. Yeah so Just turned forty this past year Ryan and i actually met in college. I guess we can get into that in a bit but You know big boss fan just like everybody else. Probably listening out today and Brian really was the one who hooked me on to springsteen were in college so this is like late nineties. Early two thousands and You know. Brian has a wealth more knowledge than i do on the boss himself. But as you know we've been friends for now you know twenty plus years springsteen's really Been one of the big center points of our friendship and it's been a really cool way for us to Get to see each other because we live in different towns I live in south florida now and bryan's up in chicago and i've traveled a for work quite a bit over the last ten or eleven years but no matter what happens when bruce goes on tour we pick a date or two or three and we are there and it's great that is awesome also appears you may be a sports fan. Scott chris. yeah i am. I actually work in sports. So that's been a big part of my life and a big part of the reason. I've traveled for the last ten years or so for work. We may have to hear more about that. All right brian. How about your elevator. pitch Well my name's. Brian murphy I grew up in cleveland And you don't want to miami university in ohio where i met chris so you know about twenty two years i spent in ohio and then after i graduated I moved to chicago. Met my wife teacher Life three kids two boys and a two year old daughter. That is a really interesting. That i am now like You know like passing. Bruce down to a new generation My kids went to a theater camp last week. And they all got to sing one song and my oldest son who seven saint ghosts and My young. I'm saying saying what he calls shack and lebron it's really shackled in drawn So it's it's it's fun like I've gone through having him passed down to me now. Being the guy that's passed down in one thing. I'll say about crisis like we were going to be really good friends anyways But you know what. Bruce has allowed us to do is just to Connect you know. It's so many more times than we would have. Otherwise you know of him coming into town to see me or me going into his town to see him so we were already great friends. Before we realized that bruce was something that we seriously add common. But it's really allowed us to get together so many more times than we would have otherwise. That's great i love that story by the way I ghost is not a song. You would think that they would sing. So that's well done right. Yeah his he. He told me that the the kids in the class were not on board. Because it's very long song. So i think there were bored at the end dad. All right saying your own music song that is so gosh i. I'm telling you right now. I need to have both of you on separately. So we can do a regular episode Because i i'm fascinated by this The growing up in finding you know kind of music. What leads you especially. You mentioned brian that you know you're you're now. Your children will be a third generation which is so cool I've had a couple of second generations on this show So that's very cool. But i'll start with you brian. When did you discover bruce. And what about his music spoke to you boy. I remember vividly It was it was. It was nine hundred eighty five. We got good report cards. I have an older brother In mom took us to get Cassette and we could pick and i picked thriller and it. Missile might have been eighty six eighty five eighty six. But i was young i picked thriller and my brother picked born in the usa and we got home and listened to born in the usa. And i can remember thinking it. I picked the wrong album and so it was like a lot of people my age. It was born in the usa. At i also remember at that time. Not loving tunnel of love like it was probably too mature for me. yes so you know and then. The band broke up in like that. Didn't even need a whole lot to me. 'cause i was young. So the first time i ever saw the ban was richfield coliseum no not the band. First time i ever saw. Bruce was enriched field calcium with you know quote unquote and that that was probably like step two in in my like. Oh man this is something. That's kind of like Touching my heart. I can remember we were. We don't me and my brother. My mom took us. We were super young so everyone loved us because we were so young and we walked down to the concourse we were in the last row and we walked down to the concourse for the final song of the night which i which i think was working on the highway and i remember him using his people are going to be able to see me but like using our as a jackhammer right. The you know people were dancing all over the place. I had never been to a concert right so it was like amazing and then so it was after that that we went backward and we got like the river darkness nebraska born to run. You know all the others So yeah born in. The usa was my starting point in that first. Concert was like the next level then we went backward and then it was just in from their absolutely. It's south out you chris. Yeah so my my third is a little bit different because my story really started i was you know call it like eighteen hundred and college and i met brian and here. I mean this guy who you know. We joined the same fraternity and all of a sudden. I'm mike this is bruce springsteen like what's the deal and you know i casual bruce fan grew up a lotta shows just not springsteen shows but So br brian really introduced me to him. And and i really got into it. And i i would say for me jesse similar to you was the rising that really got me started on it and my my first springsteen concert story what which is you know i. I'm not quite sure what that was for. Brian but we saw him in chicago at soldier. Field and It was pretty cool. we We were probably the eighth car in the parking lot to tailgate that day. And we got in there. And i was so jacked up You know you know. At that point. I had not seen him kind of new settlers. Were you know waiting to hear rosie just like the epitome for a first concert but what was so special about it and but is probably the most memorable thing to me about my all. My bruce shows to this day as i got a Kind of friends with a guy in the radio industry and he knew little vs old manager. So i i surprised ryan in the guy hooked us up with backstage passes to that show and on my first show. We actually went backstage. And and mets stevie Which was which was pretty special on. I've got your fans won't be able to see it. Got this picture on my desk to this day which ultimately got him to sign He was gracious enough to sign. So it's it's one of the One of the coolest and most special pieces. I own but i. I met stevia my first show with brian. and then that trickles down and we've now seen him You know twelve times between us and actually brian. I was thinking about this because we were chatting before but it should have been thirteen Actually missed a show. Because on the rising tour when clarence had the issue that that show got cancelled and we ended up not being able to see him so it would have been. That's a i I have a theory that No matter when you become a fan. You're you're always chasing the shows. You didn't get to see. Like i had a guy on the show that talked about seeing him. You know around the time period. He did not say he was there at the night. You know where. I saw the future rock and roll but he has seen something around that time and he you know he. He said he looked over to his Date at that night and said we're seeing something magical this this this guy's going to be something crate But he says. But i think now i missed all those shows with steel wheel and where everything like. If i just known before. I could seen all those shows and here i am looking. You know my first show was two thousand and two. I'm like gosh. i can't believe i missed the reunion. The born in the usa tour. You know all those things. And so i think no matter when you go much like when you miss an extra point you chase it the rest of the game. I think that's how we all do about shows right. That's why this live series has been so amazing to write. Were finally you know. We've been given the opportunity to to hear these legendary shows that we've either never heard or heard terrible quality and obviously nothing is being there but at least opportunity to hear You know like what everybody's been talking about absolutely and And i think they've done a great job of releasing all the different areas you know so that You know i just One of the shows. I do once a month is a guy named terry smith. Who does a music talks podcasts. fun podcast. You you pick a song for every decade you've been alive and that's what he uses to discuss your basically your life so like i was born in fifty nine so i would pick a song and fifty sixty seventy eighty ninety on So he and. I come get every once a month when we talk about the archive series So i'm listening to You know the wrecking ball. And you know just for enjoying how much that Which may be laugh shackled and drawn right is just for eight song live and did did your son. Re-write the lyrics so it was a parody. He no he just kept saying lebron. You know the cleveland frogger teams in my kids like lebron just came to me and i was like. That's lebron limits. I now want. I now want someone to do a parody of that. Get weird al. If you're listening right. Yeah so chris you can Send me a copy of the photo. And when when i send the episode up i always have to have artwork the artwork for this episode. So everyone looking you can go. That was the show Like head you met anyone in the band before Brian no. I never met anyone in the band before that we have since and chris we ran into max in the lobby on the way to meet stevie day that part out. Yeah so I hadn't i waited. You know for the rising tour It was a true. Ge so like get here early and get as close as you can. So i did like the hour. Wait in cleveland late night. Four of the tour. So i had seen a show like with my elbows on the stage and patty Gave me a guitar. Pick after the show I'm really crazy. Now that i still have But i had never met anybody prior to that So it was really like like cattle. Call right like we. We came through. He was cool but like we came through. Take a picture you did you. Did you do the book. I was just gonna say the same thing right. you know. it's next next next. And i and i always say that 'cause i've shared this story on the podcast I practice all the way from dallas to austin about. What was i gonna say and i know. He didn't hear what i said. But i've said multiple times. I needed to say more than i needed him to hear. It was enough for me. I thought it was just enough that one he was doing that. And you know and it took hours so he had to stand there and you know smile and you know you you know good to meet you kind of you know on there but yes i imagine right i. It's crazy looking. I don't remember what year that was like. I didn't have the money to go. See on broadway and like meeting him. During that book to her was the last time i ever saw him is probably going to be another year. That's gotta be you know five six years. I don't know i would have never guessed it at that time. You know but i'm not. I wouldn't see alive again for another five six years so an episode. That's come out already During this friendship month i had four Ladies joining me and two of them were at light of day in twenty twenty like february and they were talking about little. Did we know day. Just everything's wonderful and I had a similar experience. February twelfth My son's birthday is february. Tenth and so February twelfth we we bought dallas mavericks tickets and the three of us my wife and him and i all went and we you know we paid a little extra. Get decent seats you know. And we're celebrating his You know it was his thirty first birthday and so we're just kind of having a great night and you know we talk about it every once in a while no way getting. you know. We're watching luka doncic. Give you know we're going. Who would have thought that in just a month later literally the world would change. I know it's crazy. Yeah did So you kind of mentioned this a little bit but for the record i always say that the amount of time she seemed bruce live is not a fair barometer of how big of a fan you are because you're economic circumstances your age where you live can all dictate that someone who you know was in college in the middle seventies who lives in jersey or philly you know are there you know. They're you know they're already ahead of the curve. While someone like me growing up in louisiana he was like no idea so but for the record. How many times have you seen him. brian lescoe you. I if i count the book deal. It's it's an even fifty. I've seen ice good. I'm slightly less. But i feel good about my number which is fourteen and get fourteen of my shows. Twelve with brian so nice. Pretty cool yeah. That's very cool. And then and then noting bad jesse to is like one conversation brian. I always have which. I'm sure your listeners have had to is just you know how. How do we get see him overseas. How do we. How do we get to that point where we plan a trip to go see him. And that's that's sort of the pinnacle of what we wanna do at some point. You know go see him. In spain gusty and germany wherever it might be. But that's something that ryan. I talked about a lot and and hopefully on the horizon may be twenty or twenty three of chris. What's funny is We were standing around. This is over a year ago. Just kind of sitting around and talking about you know the kind of talks you have like. Oh if you won the lottery what would you do. And i said all if i won the lottery i would. I would go to. Every i would follow bruce on every stop on his time and linda looked at me linda by wife. Like you'd be gone from us a long time like no you could to the shows you you know you. Could you know hike and sightsee and everything. I'm not saying you need to go. I'm just telling you ask what i would do if i could and It when he was down during the high hopes tour. And the wrecking ball. That kind of high hopes tour where he toured australia new zealand. And you like god not only are the great shows. You could be that beautiful country you know you see like the lord of the ring movies. How beautiful the thing is like. It's a part of the world. A lot of us have never gone to the owner of the company. I was working for a time You know we're you know multimillionaire you know. And he was in his late sixties You know in every saturday you know. He's still coming into the office. Which is why he's a millionaire. And i'm not. Maybe but all i could think was he would sit there and go. What if. I had my his age. And i have that kind of money. I'm like making a summer of australia new zealand. I'm like okay. I'm gonna take off. You can catch me. We'll zoom calls. But i'm taking a vacation to go see this. Yeah absolutely jesse. I'm trying to brian. Remember what show this was but we were. I think it was. Dc at horizon center and this would have been probably twenty ten twenty eleven. i think We ran into a guy who was from overseas and don't remember his name. Don't remember much about him. But the one thing that i do remember is i offered to buy him a drink bar and he told brian and he goes. I never drink during the damage. Show he. He's been to the guy been to over one hundred shows. You know whether you want to have a drink or not. But i just remember him saying to me like i travel overseas. I spend all this money. I go into every time. Jed sober. Because i wanna make sure this is. I wanna remember every everything he does everything. Stevie does everything else does. So i love that story. I on the other hand. The first time. I went to the two thousand and two show. We had you know. Nosebleed sees right and so it was me my wife and then Two of our best friends than isa andrew. Their sisters and we've gone to tons of shows together before us and linda like cookie. We're going to go get something to drink. Do you wanna diet coke know what. I don't want to go to the bathroom. The show i i'm going to go right Like nope nope. Nope just like. I've never seen you know and It was So i totally get that. My story is he was here in dallas on the river tour So it'd be two thousand sixteen and Sunday night he was in oklahoma city. In the same night. Wrestlemainia was in dallas texas at gerry world. You know the death star stadium of the cowboys and my son chose to not go to wrestlemainia to go to the oklahoma show with me. He had never been to a bruce show. He says. I want to go with your dad. You know let's go together. We'll make it a voice night and which tells you after the show. He's like that was fine. I'm like okay. Do you want to get a drink or you want to do something. I think i want to go to the hotel. I'm tired it's usually. He's always like you know two three in the morning. Come on dad. Let's go to the bar and so so anyway. That tuesday chris bruce was playing at the The arena there were the mavericks play right and so we are at just a few blocks away. We were the rock and roll over like a cafe right. Hard rock cafe. And i we are bunch of us meeting up people that had listened to the show and everything and so i was talking to a guy who actually is the drummer of the local dallas springsteen cover band thunder road and so he and i were visiting and this guy comes over with a huge wrestlemainia jersey on with the strong irish accent. Saying excuse me. I won't try to exit real talking about bruce springsteen like yeah yeah you know. Oh what's going on so he's playing tonight. You're kidding i have tickets when he's coming to dublin. We were here for wrestlemainia. My flights leaving tonight. It was like he was like well. Could i have eft up so much. Like i could have just stayed one extra day cruise show in there right. That's an all time fail. Yes i said. Oh i would be calling american airlines or like. You don't understand like you know you have to change me just a day. you know. No yeah that's great you got other shows Stories from shows you wanna share with me Yeah we got plenty. I love it i. I'll i'll just one for brian. But would you saw bruce at metlife back to back nights. Twenty twelve to two great things about that show one was for the folks that were there with the weather delay and he played until i don't know what time you know. He kept coming back. They're gonna shut us down. They're gonna satisfy now. They didn't let them play. But that was that was a special show and with it was his mom's birthday i was. It was bruce's birthday. Yeah it was. His mom was there. He came out on stage. She came on stage. That was that was a special style but then Bry you wanna talk about the saint louis gel which ended up beam the river. Yeah more late. I'm talking. I'm talking about eight both. Oh i'd love to hear both. I mean in in First of all that. That birthday show was amazing because no one had any idea how long they play or be allowed to play. They came out at least two hours late and You know like we had started tailgating for a normal start time as many people did so. That crowd was real loose when they want a stage. You know You know eight. We went by years. Might not be right on the magic tour. We went out to saint louis Aaron we rank. Chris was oh aid it was it was. It was either seven or eight but yeah you were young. We were twenty eight. We were so pumped we upgraded to first class for me. It's the only time i've ever ridden in first class You know we went to the riverboat. We made some money that day right and then we went to the show and that ended up being one of the lake. Slag shows that entire Tore where he did. I mean he did. He opened it up with And then she kissed me he did a little queenie four covers During the show mountain a wild he did while he did rendezvous. He did a bunch. That i'd never heard now way. And then chris worked at saint louis university During the river tour so that was the smallest venue that he played on. That tour is like eighty five hundred people right chris. Yeah we got in there early because he literally worked there and we were walking around and again we met stevie we saw Jaiqi walking around and that was late When we saw jake it was. He was literally just in the hallway select. The meeting was a lot better than meeting. steve or bruce was In one great thing about that was. We were walking down the concourse and is guitar. His guitar attack. Kevin was walking past us. You know literally. No one there. And i was like kevin and i think he was so surprised that anyone even knew who he was he was so he was like almost excited to talk with us. Too great i love that. People don't know who he is but like you know we're again in bruce. Crowds like me and chris young. I think he was surprised that these two thirty nine year old guys at that time recognize him all right so anyways but like mute. Lemme lemme interrupt just for a moment. Keep that thought. But i just i. I'm going to say this later. It won't make sense. When chris was at that i show my son. Were driving home the next day it he said you know. I don't know who that is. Chris throws bruce stroz that guitar too but the cowboys receiver should catch that. Well like learned watching. It's amazing. I don't know if i've ever seen drop one So you know. I've long story short. But i do think people listening will like this. We get. I mean ten minutes from showtime right and we get to the point where we are outside the door that the entire band is and i'm saying to chris. We can hear jake inside this room like warming up meeting in the city tonight And i'd say the chris. I'm like this all right brian. You you think you've muted accidentally kitten. Here that can you hear him chris. I can't hear you chris. You're on mute Security comes and gets in pulls us into like. I would go back just a few minutes here because i couldn't hear you either. Go to your work. You could hear jake doing me in the city okay. So yeah and chris elliott. This is going to happen like these guys are going. Open this door and they're gonna walk right past us. We're going to be standing right ear and it's going to be you know as we're gonna get this closed at every member like one minute before they come out security came and got us and they took us into what i would describe it as like main control or a drunk tank you and it was glass windows. Plexiglass windows so So instead of having this amazing we actually had to sit in like soundproof. And watch what would have happened. We'll we couldn't just be silent and they came out we filmed it You know i can send you the film of it and you know. They huddled up like a team and said their prayer and then went out and it was like it was still awesome because we next stage with the east street bit you know. We were thirty feet away. Basically and got to see their pre show routine and that would coming that. I will never forget that is cool and then did you guys rush to your seats. Yes then we rick. In the around in indonesia. Yeah we were. We didn't get in the pit that neither remember. We wait in line. But we didn't get in so that is a great story. Yeah it was. It was chomping What other ones we. I went out to The final night of the reunion tour with my brother and some cousins and that was You know not so much a story but but what's weird about that is it. We're talking about you. Know shows twenty one years later. We all walk out of the gardens thinking that was maybe the end of them. Don't we go no. I just was going to tell you. I had a guy that is on the show earlier late last year We expect through lincoln. It's the only guy i've ever had through linked in that you know. I'll bruce fan. I'd love to be on the podcasts. And he said the exact same thing he said he was sitting there on at in the middle of the reunion tour and i think he may have been madison square garden but wherever it was he said in his mind. This is it you know. This is the pinnacle of like springsteen phantom they may every two or three years to a reunion like a like a greatest hits tour like the eagles do or you know like the stones do But we you know this is it and he says if i could go back and tell that guy you have no idea what's coming the rising magic seeger sessions. You know a book tour. Broadway ghost you know letter to you from stars like he says you would never believe that was just phase one of his life. No it's amazing. How the second act you know. Ninety nine on is how. Well it stacks up to the first act and we're all everybody's still gic about born to run and how great everything is but every not everything but man there are some Of his best work has been posed getting back together without question. So i'm going to give you a sophie's choice And i had this very early in the podcast Me and a guy debated. And i had said that i would take a live show that starts with all the songs from tunnel love going forward and he said i will take a show that's darkness before so both of exclude born in the usa. So which would you choose me. And that's tough. You're getting a lot more material. You've got a lot more options for him to come up with I would probably choose darkness in before You know just because of the rarity it which i've heard that music. You know one one thing that i know. We're gonna talk about like songs that we would love to hear lot but lately he is really given us a giant. he's closed a lot of checklists. I would have bet might life. I would never see new york city. Serenade live and that would have been my number one without question You know. I like the rearrangements. Like if he played e street shuffle. If the way that he played it in hammersmith you know if i could go and arrange the songs disparate and ms version that i would take darkness and before. Okay how about you. I could same thing just because of the rarity of it and and me having gotten into springsteen a late nineties having that prior would be really special fish. I totally agree. I just i think of all the the hearing like You know songs for magic that you know like i only got to hear i only went to one magic show. So maybe that's part of it is You know suddenly got to see girls in their summer. Clothes live once. I never heard. I'll work for your love live You know the As much as i love the river tour I would've loved for a few more of those outtakes then like when you think about the promise. Box set. He did very view of those. You know it would be great. I know all of us would take okay. Do attracts live. You know vick songs from tracks bill. The set list. You know that that would like okay and do that on video on demand yes we would be putting our money down absolutely young in my brother even joked if if if the band came out in their entire catalog was tracks they probably end up in the rock and hall of fame. I think so. Yeah and then you know. And the the rumors right he says tracks is on the way and it will see. I do thoughts In christmas start with you Thoughts on letter to you. I absolutely love it. It's unbelievable i mean brian. I have A little bit of a different opinion just on like what songs are favorites but You know if. I was a priest. I think some of his greatest work. I think it's for me. It's like an absolute conic song on that album. I mean go since amazing water. Use amazing you know it. Just just a segue but about our friendship though but like album. Release day the night before. I'm on twitter on mike. Is this gonna drop what's going on. I'm i'm like sending brian messages. Like we're kind of going back and forth and we talked that like. I dunno way after my bedtime but i remember being like. Hey this is going to happen tomorrow. Like this is this is real. And that's a total you know springsteen free fear but You know having that in the middle of everything that's going on you know this year last year as if something really special you know. You got that in october Been basically six months and since most of us have been working from home and just a challenging time but that was just such a bright spot in twenty twenty. And it's just an amazing piece of work. I mean even know said. I think i was reading an article with them talking. About how how this is some of his best work and coming from a guy who's been with them as long as he had it really is. It's just a really special album. What i said a lot on the podcast and excuse me. I don't know politics. But i said if i could get a new springsteen album in october a new president november maybe twenty twenty would not be the crappiest you're ever and It is brian. You tell me your thoughts. So yeah i mean i love it too here. Here's a good topic. That i think you could explore future. Show if you look at like over his career Songs that start an album and song the end and album so your book ends right. And and and there's a lot of lake crazy epic thunder road and jungle and Badlands and darkness case. Like i think that's clearly an important thing for him. And i think that one minute ear here and We're having the brain furby talked about seeing dreams of you in my dreams book end an album as complementary as any he's put out like i don't think they're better songs than thunder road jet jungle in but the topics being as similar as they are and just how like I mean when. I put One minute year. Huron and i was like this is the opening track. I was like oh man. Where are we going this. They add but then leonard ends with the exact same material and you are totally happy. You feel better like you're more at peace you know with the same loss that you felt terrible about fifty minutes earlier So i think that's the topic this interesting to that. Was the first thing that. I texted. Chris after the um was perfectly That is a great discussion September was the fifth anniversary of me. Doing the podcast than one topic. We did as i had three or four guests who've been on the show before and we ranked our top Our our favorite fifth tracks on an album of yet so we already planned next. September will top six tracks to celebrate. So yeah i agree with that i. I don't know why. But i feel like if i was a priestess outlaw pete wanted to be and and you know interesting point yeah I love that album My wife is a casual fan at best In she she always wants to see the documentaries because she loves documentaries of almost any subject and when she was watching this she's like. I like that song who i liked that song. And we've gone on a couple of road trips and we played it you know. And she Ghetto just just loves almost every song and just really touched by it and I do think it's in the only time. I got mad chris. Brian is someone on facebook. Posted brucie's quick putting out new. He's he's He's destroying his legacy and and i went f- you dude. You know first off what brusca due to destroy his legacy short of something incredibly in his personal life. Come out you know he killed. He went on a shooting spree. But to i. It's okay if you don't like the new album but first off. You can't distinguish but i think and i agree with you. I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just saying it's pretty damn high quality for someone sixty nine seventy when they're recording it and you're not sitting on your laurels. You're not doing darkness part too. You're not doing you know going to run part to you. Western stars is totally different from anything he's done and then letter to you. He comes back. It's solid eastern band. But it's different and it's covering themes that Marine van sant said. I she says. I don't think it's the ban saying goodbye. I think it's just the ban kind of looking back at their life and being happy i agree with where we are right now in this. So this is these are the topics that we're gonna talk about because this is our life and it's funny because you were talking about the guy that you were you were talking to walking out of the garden and he thought maybe every three years you know they would do a reunion. I never thought that. I really thought this is it Or they're going to do new stuff he just was never a guy that was gonna live. You know in the two thousands based off of what he had done. Seventies intelligent Burn train is another track new album. Though it's like you just know it's going to be amazing. Lives till. I watched him on saturday night live. My money was just i think. Meet me in the city as a great opening song. I just of that and And so i was thinking i could just see burning train just skimming on stage and then when they did ghost on saturday night live and i know the sound wasn't as perfect as it could be. I was like okay. I could see them opening with ghost now and i would not be disappointed either either one from by the crowd chris. No segue that just slightly but jesse bride one conversation. We have especially the last few months is like to take. The next step is like that. I show you know. How much would you pay to be there like what. What is that going to cost to see him. Live that first night. And what is that opening song. And i feel like that is going to be one of the most advocating of music. I totally agree and you do feel like if they would do a pay per view right would just all over the world okay. Here's my nineteen ninety-five or whatever it is and we'll watch I can only imagine the emotional tears in two thousand twenty two when we get another tour and whether it's the first show or the fifth show or the twentieth show in the tour but it's the first time one of us has seen it right. You're there you're either in the pit you're in your seat and they come onstage. I just don't know if i'll stop crying or and for me it's like i'm just going to be there on twitter. Just check percent with updates like the you know just scrolling through what you know wherever ended. Did you united states. Chris we. We're going to be more you know. That's where the shows this is where my podcast or gain from you know you're set less things because you're not set listing yourself as you're going through twitter and social media like oh damn it. I can't believe he's playing this about their dog. You one more. Show story jesse's so brian and i Were living in chicago. It's a time and we drove up to milwaukee. This was rising we saw at miller park. And i'm i think i'm going to get started right. And we were in the car talking about what's he gonna open with and I i believe it stories right. But i i was like you know. I think he's gonna open up with Wait am i getting. Maybe i maybe my shows because here between the solemness 'cause he opened up. He opened up the first show with adam. And then what did you open up a mock you with. Brian's i don't remember okay now i'm going to have to go back. Check my stop me this fake news story but ought to come back but i call opened up with and i was like holy crap. This is unbelievable. It was just like one of those moments your life but to your point set loss thing is like it makes the show that much more fun. You know what songs one and two are gonna be right like you know what. You're getting generally speaking as the tour progresses. Then it's like what's he gonna do. Three or four or five. Have you guys ever gone to my boss. Time dotcom no okay. So write that down. This is a guy from sweden My boss time. He has a database. And you create a free account. And then you go through and you select what shows you've attended them. Behind the scenes he calculates. What percentage of the albums. have you heard live. What are your rarity east. What are your most common songs. What are you know Is is what yes my boss time and it is it will it is. They've rabbit hole that you will go down known that prior to this call. I would have been last smarter on it. Yeah yeah for example. That's all right. We were totally used to this Like i just logged on real quick. I created my account while we were talking about. I love rebel rebel. He's only played once cycle to see it He stunned jump twice. And i got to see that once. I just watched rewatch when eddie died last year. Yeah i watched that youtube of implying. That and i was like what of what a performance like that was. It really is All right so. I kept you guys almost an hour and so i really appreciate that. What are some songs are still chasing. Branko i m still chasing. Frankie would be my number one I would love to hear the wall. I think he played it in virginia beach with the full band. I could be wrong on that one on my rarities. I yeah and i was. Oh yeah right just so great. Yeah i mean. I just feel like that was like super emotional to me. It's like sneers like like my city ruins always gets me right and to me. It's it's just kinda like that Like just an emotional song. And then one that i think i mean obviously letter to you right but i'm confident that i'm going to get it You know i'm a little. I'm not confident that i'll ever hear western stars. But i actually love western stars so the those would be my top three. Yeah that's great. That's a great choice. Chris how're you. Yeah my stuff's going to be more actually more of his solo stuff that he doesn't play anymore. It's like it's like you know. Lucky town better date like stuff like that that i have not gotten because of the time and i started again so it's going to be stuff that i mean. I know fire would be awesome. Never saw that. That's actually a great call to i would love. I didn't even go there. I would not interrupt you. I'd love to hear e street band playing more lucky town album type stuff. yeah Better days is one of my favorite songs. And so that's definitely on my list of. I would love to hear him funny. You know the inaugural celebration you know. He does land of hope and dreams which is by far my favorite springsteen song and then they go. Oh and here's Justin timberlake doing better days. What but different better days in a not not quite the same album no not at all in between the two. We watched jovis career end. How shots fire i. I give me one more. That is tougher than the raff. Yes yeah i mean. That's just an epic song yachting north of six minutes. I mean that's something that i would love to hear. What absolutely all right back one last question and then i'm gonna let you guys go I end every episode with the merry question. So j armstrong is an honors english teacher in the philadelphia area. He just recently retired. They spend two days breaking apart thunder road in the english class. They look at all the imagery and the lyrics and they talk about themes bruce's Exploring and at the end of the two days he asked his class. Does mary it in the car. So chris will start with you. Does mary get in the car at the end of thunder road. Wow i no idea where this question was going. I'll say i'll say she does. Okay all right very nice. Any show right chris. You gotta explain your answer these. Thank you think an english teacher and phillies going to just accept. The one word answer now not pharmacy student. Come on take my hand right off the project i mean. I don't know i think she does. I think the whole song speaks to it. And i feel like it's it's a good thing you know it's an end. It's an end that makes the it's an that i wanna believe i'll leave it at that. That's a good answer. Yes that is a good answer. I want to believe that she does. Yeah how about you. I would you know i would. I like to believe that. She does well. If i had more time to research media which we know you're going to do after this call. Maybe i would believe that. Mary manifest herself in other songs throughout the album in a different name. So maybe she is. Wendy you know. Maybe she is the girl that bruce's telling talking about going across the river okay You know if that story is truly if that album is truly that one long day right and thunder road is sunrise the navy. Maybe she does get in the car and join them for that day. So i too will say yes so couple things to think about one racing in the street. She talks about being owners. Daddy's porch one. Is that the same porch that she dances across. Then someone's theory of. I've heard two people now. Praises theory that moonlight motel is the end of their journey that mary gets in the car. They go down to california. They spend their life together and that when he's pouring that shot it's been just past that'd be that is def- no yeah. I just wanna share. If you do do some research. Brian you can always reach out to me and go okay. Let's record another. I've got i got. I got some theories. I wanna share I'm so glad Chris rowan. I want to redeem myself really quick. Sure up over the opening song. I guess a walkie was candies room. Very nice very nice so i i need you. Guys are perfect. You guys are welcome anytime. I love visiting with you guys. This is so great. Any final thoughts. Just thank you This is a lot. this is a lot of fun. It's really you know it's really fun to just talk about this stuff with people that did find it important. It's not the most important thing in the world right about you. Burger guys to play music but it is important to us And so it's fun it. This was a lot of fun. And i really appreciate it. Well brian i. I love having you on chris. How about you. Final thoughts just to be able to you know. Send the guy that message on twitter who you know and then all of a sudden get a response and talk about friendship talk about the boss connect with like minded people into brian's point which i think is really well said it's definitely not the most important thing but it's important us yet Do Do you guys want to share. Your twitter. handles or social media handles sure mine is mine. Is at ohio murphy. Okay and minded at chris boulton. Bu l. t. i. nc k. Good all right guys. I know i've kept you but we're going to end with this now on this now out here on this road out on this road tonight. 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Season Four - Magnus Hirschfeld

Making Gay History

27:36 min | 3 years ago

Season Four - Magnus Hirschfeld

"I'm Eric, Marcus. And this is making a history. If you've listened to our first three seasons, you know, what to expect from making gay history. Episode we explore LGBTQ history. Guided by the voices of the people who lived in. I'm afraid that's not going to be possible. This week. You see I'd like to share with you the story of Dr Magnus Hirschfeld, the founder of the world's first gay rights movement who more than a century ago put his life on the line to stand up for LGBTQ. People Hirschfeld said quote soon the day will come when science will win victory over error Justice, a victory over injustice and human love of victory over human hatred and ignorance, and the reason I read that quote allowed rather than just playing. You are Kyle tape is because all recordings adopter, Magnus Hirschfeld's voice have been lost. But by following his words and his work. We're going to tell you his story. This past spring. I traveled to Germany I hope to track down some little known pieces of LGBTQ history. At least little known to me and to meet some of the history. Detectives working to reconstruct a scattered legacy. So here's the scene. Berlin may two thousand eighteen I'm in Charlottenburg upscale neighborhood in the western part of the city. I'm with a group of scholars researchers and relatives of Dr Magnus Hirschfeld we've come together to honor the hundred fiftieth anniversary of his birth. Here in front of where Hirschfeld once lived a monument now stands it's LeBron's pillar topped with Magnus Hirschfeld's unmistakable face the spectacled with a bushy moustache more reminiscent of a favorite uncle than a dangerous radical. But make no mistake Hirschfeld's, life and work. We're revolutionary Ralph dosa historian and director of the Magnus Hirschfeld society steps forward and laser wreath at the foot of the monument. Magnus Hirschfeld was born in eighteen sixty eight into a Jewish family and a town in the Prussian empire. That's now part of Poland. He studied to become a physician and eventually move to Berlin. When news of Oscar Wilde's trial and imprisonment reached Germany Hirschfeld was outraged. This was part of what inspired him to blaze a trail as pioneering sexologist and gay rights champion in eighteen ninety seven when he was twenty nine years old. He founded the I'm going to need some help with my German here. The visit Shuffler show money tales mutate, or as it's known in English the scientific humanitarian committee, and that's where it all began the first gay rights movement in the world Hirschfeld was gay. But closeted that's just how it was at the time homosexual acts between men were illegal under paragraph one seventy five German law punishable by imprisonment Hirschfeld and his newly founded committee got to work. Work lobbying for paragraph one seventy five to be repealed. His an is to decriminalise male homosexuality. But also to combat at two homosexual prejudice more generally, this is Dagmar Herzog distinguished professor at the graduate center at the City University of New York and best known for her work on the history of sexuality. So he runs a petition campaign, which gets thousands of signatures from prominent politicians, medical doctors, religious leaders. He also gives three thousand public lectures to all manner of audiences. He starts us sexual medical journal in eighteen ninety nine called the yearbook for sexual intermediaries, which is highly respected among medical doctors establishing himself as an expert on sexuality frequently giving evidence in court Hirschfeld argued that homosexuality was inborn natural and should not be punished. Here's reiner. Hearn? A senior lecturer specializing in the history of sexology. He's spent the last thirty years researching the work of Magnus Hirschfeld he used his function as an. Expert widely and he he really he will so clever in doing his enemies say arriving met because they called believed her felt Hirschfeld's fame as an expert turned to notoriety when he was drawn into Germany's biggest gay scandal. The emperor Vilma seconds closest confidante was accused of having an affair with a high ranking general sparking a scandal with wide reaching political implications that set the stage for the first World War known as the union Burke affair it's sprawled over three years of courts-martial liable trials suicides blackmail and imperial intrigue for three years. It was discussed in the German newspapers. Whether homosexuality is dangerous, whether it's natural what should be punished how it affected the emperor. And so this went back and forth back and forth. Dr Kevin Clark of Berlin shoeless museum, which roughly translates to the fact museum and hushed. It was called as a as a witness, whereas an expert to talk about this. But because he became so famous because of those statements one of the big tease pop singers of the time wrote push it lead the field song. Bank. Big data evening. Need to he's a very famous singer in that time. Watch out felts coming and he will see homosexuality everywhere. So before had you had two dogs just walking down the road. But now, no one they sniff each others butts. They have to watch out because when her filled comes he'll say other perverts when. When. Two men who were just, you know, supposedly regular friends who elect to hug each other and go out together and have fun. But now, you know, when it comes around the corner, they immediately start kissing the girlfriends wives, just two arrays all possible evidence that they could be gay. It's quite a funny lurid in very typical of course for its time. Be. But the times we're changing after the first World War. The liberal atmosphere of the Weimar Republic ushered in an era of relative freedom in Berlin by nineteen nineteen Hirschfeld had met one of the loves of his life, Carl Giza, and it helped create the world's first film dealing with homosexuality. I'm going to need some help with my German. Again. The film was undoes. Let's done or an English different from the others. And I'm going to need even more help. Because different from the others was a silent movie. So with a little help from dogma Herzog Reiner Hearn and Ralph dosa, here's different from the others. It's a lot story between t- musicians to violinists a teacher and a student different from the others as a tragic love story a trope that by the way, Hollywood's taking one hundred years to get over. In fact, the movie begins with the main character reading a bitch worries in the newspaper, which invaild language or indicating that these are all metric used of homosexuality who had suicide it so that is the framing narrative. An aspiring musician and his talented concert violinist teacher fallen love the relationship is discovered. And the couple is blackmailed which was one of the major dramas and Berlin at that time. There were many male prostitutes who made their living by blackmailing adult men who were seeking homosexual acts as the blackmail pressure mounts, the young musician fleas, and the older violinist is heartbroken. The blackmailer is relentless the violinist pays him off. But the blackmailer vows to report him to the police. When the blackmailer is arrested. He accuses the violinist under paragraph one seventy five and they both end up in court together. And in the midst of it all Hirschfeld who is the script writer for the movie is also one of the characters in the navy. He is the good doctor who offers wonderfully affirming comments that same sex. Love is a beautiful thing. Hersh meld appearing himself as an expert witness pleads in court on the violinist behalf. The violinist is convicted. But given a light sentence just a week in prison. But the scandal has ruined him. He is shunned and his concert tours cancelled inconsolable, he takes his own life, the young musician. Here's of his former lovers, death and devastated he chew contemplates killing himself. But Dr Magnus Hirschfeld appears again and said don't do it. You have another task you have to encourage future generations said say don't suffer same destiny as you'd have. Hirschfeld says what matters now is to restore honor and Justice to the many thousands before us with us and after us through knowledge to Justice. In a way. It's it's tragic. Maybe you can say it's kitschy. But at the end. Magnus Hirschfeld sent a message to the future. Yes, he did. And his message was not destroyed. No Hirschfeld was the expert or homosexuality, and he was a gay, man. But as Ralph dosa director of the Magnus Hirschfeld society says only one of those things was a public matter. So himself never came out in a way, we were. So you you'll never find his publications of the word. I am homosexual just let his life. He led his life. He lived together was friend. Everyone knew. If everyone wanted to kneel spoken, it wasn't spoke that tentative openness was a feature of gay life in Berlin at the time. While homosexuality remained illegal dozens of gay clubs were open and thriving. In nineteen twenty Kurt Schwab. And Misha's billion. Ski wrote the lavender song or does. Leila lead Hughes. Here's Merrick Weber's recording of it. He singing we are just different from the others who are being loved only in lockstep of morality, the son became a gay anthem and was performed in the cabaret clubs around Berlin dot mar Herzog again, and it's a city that sort of celebrates every possible predilection the crucial thing about Berlin. The Weimar years is not the pervasiveness of people who are comfortable with their homosexuality and acting on it, it's the visibility. It's the proud visibility and the glamour and the fun of it. And that are ready triggers conservative responses, even before the Nazis, come to power of two varieties, Christian conservative on the one hand and right wing thuggish. Not see on the other while the backlash built in the background in the middle of Gaber. Lynn literally the middle Hirschfeld's institute opened its doors in nineteen nineteen on the edge of Berlin central park yet. Imagine this building this gorgeous villa on the northern edge of the Tiergarten park and the tier. Park also had cruising areas for gay men. So there's kind of a logic to that location. But it's also just this incredibly sumptuous place, the whole complex ends up having about fifty rooms. I mean, it's a huge thing. There's a library. But by the end twenty thousand volumes like there's a archive thirty five thousand photographs of every imaginable sexual pedal action possible way of being gender expression terms. There's an enormous amount of information about sexuality being collected there. There's a lecture hall. There's a question box where people can go and put their low questions, and it turns out that he was also a huge resource for heterosexuals. In fact, the Georgie of the questions end up being that contraception, and he was a major advocate for pre marital heterosexuality as completely morally. Okay. He was there. He was an advocate for a morality of consent. You know, the idea that consent to sexy was his concept already. Then he wasn't advocate for the idea that the state should. Get out of the private business of the bedroom. And he defended everybody sexual rights any advocated contraception. So all those things made him a real magnet for people who were interested in having happier. Sex lives. Hirschfeld's institute was also a magnet for visits from people such as Christopher Isherwood w h Auden and Lili Elbe the trans woman who was immortalized in the film, the Danish girl what we would now call gender alignment or gender confirmation surgery. Some of the very earliest surgeries of that kind were conducted in Hirschfeld's institute. He didn't do the cutting himself or the sewing, but he had doctors they're doing it and from nineteen twenty on but Hirschfeld's profile and his beliefs made him a prime target. He is the preferred hate object for the right wing, and especially then for the Nazis, he is constantly reading slander. You know, you think you'd dealing with aggression on the internet now. But I mean every morning he woke up, and there was nasty crappy. Disgusting antisemitic stuff above all being. Against him nineteen twenty he's at a lecture in Munich and right wing thugs. Beat him up and leave him for dead on the street is bleeding and then he's reading this bitch aware the next morning. Luckily, he's still alive. But then there are many right wing venues that say, oh, we're really sorry that this poisoner of the folk hasn't died are ready despite the threats the violence and the slander Hirschfeld persisted through the nineteen twenties. His institute grew and in the late nineteen twenty s Hirschfeld organized the first of several international congresses for sexual reform. The speakers were a laundry list of leaders in the nascent gay rights movements the fight for women's rights and sexual science in nineteen thirty one while Dr Hirschfeld was on a tour of the US the Hearst newspaper chain nicknamed him the Einstein of sex in Belene only. The Nazis set their sights on Hirschfeld early in their reign of terror. He poems a triple threat as a gay Jewish socialist. As far back as nineteen twenty Hitler had singled out Hirschfeld calling him Jewish swine when the Nazis swept power in nineteen thirty three Hirschfeld's library at the institute for sexual science was their first target for book burnings on the night of may six Nazi youth ransacked the institute. Most of the contents of the institute were destroyed or stolen and thousands of books were seized. Four nights later stacks volumes from Hirschfeld's library went up in flames on the open plots the bust of Hirschfeld that had greeted visitors to the institute was tossed on the fire too. Dr Magnus Hirschfeld wasn't in Berlin. He was in Paris where a few days later. He watched his life's work reduced to ashes. Hey, what that he's all the destruction of the institute with his own eyes on a news reel and Peres. By this time, Dr Hirschfeld had been living out of suitcases for years. He had left Germany for a world tour in nineteen thirty along the way he'd met the second love of his life leash you, Tom. And for a while the three of them Lee Carl and Dr Hirschfeld live together in a grand apartment on the avenue. Charlotte's flip K in Paris. But Dr Hirschfeld's health was fading and in nineteen thirty four he moved to the sunnier warmer climes of niece the following March Hirschfeld named his two lovers. Leash Yutong and Carl Giza as his sole airs on may fourteenth nineteen thirty five Dr Hirschfeld. Spent the morning with a friend and his great nephew. It was his sixty seventh birthday the open birthday letters together and went for a walk and had lunch upon their return Hirschfeld collapsed in the doorway to his apartment building. I somehow managed to carry him up the stairs to his apartment on the third floor where he died. Doc Herzog again, it's pretty clear dies of a heart attack, and you could say of a broken heart. It has been two years since the Nazis destroyed his institute it actually took some time. At least twenty to thirty years after the second world for the people began to commemorate mama Sadie was completely forgotten. Dr Daniel Baranovsky is from the Magnus Hirschfeld federal foundation and anti discrimination organization founded by the German government, very good thing that the montage 'cause edge of society. Did is that begin at the end of the nineteen seventies to do research on him and collect materials archive materials when we started all work, if we won't have well that will be vain. There's nothing left not destroyed everything. Everything was burned. There's no one to continue anything. Will that turned out to be wrong? That's Ralph dosa again, the director of the Magnus Hirschfeld society. He's devoted almost fifty years to researching Hirschfeld's life and work Ralph and his colleagues have worked tirelessly to find the scattered remnants of Hirschfeld's legacy some of which was lost forever. Following the suicide of Carl in nineteen thirty eight and the subsequent deportation and murder of his air by the Nazis for Ralph dosa this detective work has included early mornings late night internet sessions messages that travelled through time, and the serendipity of Canadian pack rat who stumbled upon history at the bottom of a garbage chute that self-described pack rat is Adam Smith event Cooper, British Columbia. I had a rather unusual job at the building used to live in. It was my responsibility to drive a dumpster from the bottom of a parking garage to the back of the building every week. So one day I opened the door, and I walk into this small airlifts windowless room with a garbage dump student, and I find a collection of leather suitcases beautiful leather suitcases, and then I opened up one suitcase and amongst the other things in it was a a leather box. I lifted the lid and saw something I'd never seen before. But I knew exactly what it was the moment. I looked at it. The the mask felt smooth and cool. Kind of everything you you. You might imagine. If you let your imagination run a little while on the nine the notion of a death mask. I didn't know who Hirschfeld because I have no idea who this person was or why these things ended up in the basement of a parking garage in Vancouver Canada at the time. I think the feeling that was overwhelming. He was just curiosity. More than anything else in this kind of a sense of distant drama. And I carried this one suitcase packed full of stuff with me to Toronto when I moved there and it went into the storage room in Toronto. And it's there for many many years one drunk night when I was the doing some research on the internet just searching for the name of monacell shirt and pushed wrong buttons. And the result was that. I got a very Otis entry was on Trump. So that's not the way you use the internet. Normally. So I think it was I think it was nineteen Ninety-three and this is before the World Wide Web. But I was on the internet at that point. And there was a thing called Usenet news, which was kind of a precursor to forums. So I posted a message saying I'm looking for information. But Dr Magnus Richfield can anybody tell me who he is? I have some things that may be significant about levels of name signed by Adam Smith at the end of the night of phone Email that much to this person. Asunder question to that address. So one day, and I believe it was around two thousand three I got an Email from somebody in Germany, quoting my original post some or ten years. Previous singing are are you out of Smith. Did you post this to the internet? I replied back ten minutes later at an onset saying, yes that was me and everything you are looking for still sitting in my attic, I send you for tomorrow. Ahead of ice sleepless night. And actually, the funny thing was the next day of my birthday, and I had invited some friends from the society. So I got the big birthday present just the night before Rafto's flies to Canada a few months later to collect the suitcase sitting Adam Smith's Toronto living room. Ralph takes several depress. And with is as wide as a five year old on Christmas morning. He hesitantly flicks. Open the latches and lifts the lid. Unlike a five year old and Christmas morning. Ralph takes his time. He carefully picks up an examines the contents of the suitcase one by one as though he can hardly believe, they're real papers, notebooks letters and a leather box. He opens it at last. Ralph dosa comes face to face with Magnus Hirschfeld as he holds his death mask in his hands. The suitcase was one of several that had. Belonged to leash you tone in the forty eight years after Hirschfeld died Lee had carried his lover's death mask journals books papers and last testament with him from France to Switzerland to Hong Kong and finally Vancouver Canada. Where Lee died in nineteen Ninety-three. Lease family had kept some of the books and papers. But toss the rest that's how Adam Smith came across them in the suitcase when he was collecting the trash today, the suitcases in the Hirschfeld societies office in Berlin. After decades of painstaking work, some of Hirschfeld's scattered belongings came home and last may his far-flung family also decimated and scattered by the Nazis came together in Berlin as well. Until I. Sneaked kind of Vivian Connor singing the closing of a huge celebration. I attended last may at Berlin's house of world cultures auditorium, which is just steps away from where Magnus Hirschfeld's institute one student. Stan. Per relatives from Australia, the US in Israel were among those singing along to this popular German birthday, some on what would have been uncle Magnus hundred fiftieth birthday. I have to wonder what Dr Hirschfeld would think about the current state of the movement. He founded so much of what he fought for his come to pass. But it took time along time as Doug bar Herzog said to me movements are made up of moments and those moments can be spread over decades even centuries. Paragraph one seventy five wasn't repealed until nineteen Ninety-four same sex marriage only became legal in Germany and two thousand seventeen has Hirschfeld witnessed progress is not guaranteed. The backlash can be swift and brutal. The battle for Justice at Hirschfeld waged that we are fighting now has been fought before and will be fought again. And again, our hard rights are not written in stone. But our resolve can be Hirschfeld's epitaph etched into his headstone at niece repeats guiding principle through science to Justice or perhaps through radical social action protest organizing and supporting communities of color, trans and non binary folk to Justice. Oh and vote that too. Making history is a team effort. Thank you to executive producer sour Birmingham and the rest of the making gay history crew producer Josh Gwen production coordinator at the social media producer Daniela Ranko photo editor Michael Green. And our guardian angel generalized Berman a special thank you to Berlin. Based producer Shane Thomas McMillan and to Adam Smith for generously sharing with us his photos of the items in the suitcase and the video he took off opening it and most of all for rescuing that piece of our history from the dumpster. You can see Adam Smith's photos and video on our website. Our theme music, and this episodes specially commissioned making gay history rag composed by for its Myers. The making history podcast is a co production of pineapple street media with assistance from the New York, library's manuscripts and archives division and one archives. The USC libraries season four of this podcast has been made possible with funding from the Jonathan Logan family foundation. The Ford Foundation caloms foundation and our listeners including a generous gift from Andrew and Irwin press. If you like what you've heard tell your friends or give a shout out on social media. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and tumbler and to find out what we're cooking up next subscribe to our newsletter you can find the link for that and all previous episodes as well as our photos full transcripts and additional information on each of the people we feature at making gay history dot com. That's also where you'll find a link to a reconstructed version of the silent movie different from the others so long until next time.

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Rep Sheryl Kennedy on Opening Up Schools During Covid 19

Radio Free Flint

44:15 min | 1 year ago

Rep Sheryl Kennedy on Opening Up Schools During Covid 19

"I there were taking a break for our sponsor. Anchor Dot FM let me tell you a bit about anchor They have a creation tool set are free like you can. create your own podcast using an edit that podcast using your phone or your computer? They'll distribute through podcast for you on spotify Apple. Or many other podcast hope hosts, and you may even make money off your podcasts. With no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast one place. Download anchor for free. By getting their APP IN INKER DOT FM to get started and we're using it. And hopefully he will to thank you very much and will resume our. Our Program. Okay here we go. This is Arthur. Bush you're listening to Radio Free Flint and today I have a marvelous guest for a change. No kidding this time. She's really good and her name is Cheryl Kennedy and she is from my old stomping grounds in the north part of the county clio. She's from the pile Mount Morris Davison area. That's the district she represents. And her name Shero, Katie and she I wanNA. Get you guys in on a secret. Many years ago. Genesee county had a guy named bobby grim, who they named road race after actually he started. He became this week dowse and guess where he was from. What's her Davison any teacher? Here and he was from Davison. So I have big expectations for you. Michelle that you. Very well could become speaker now. In my research. Being that I'm a trained investigator. I learned that you've gotten off to a pretty good start near I. Turn based on my. Son My experienced education? Tell us about that started down there. Well Don't be. Saved I came to the. House I was. You know I have to be elected and and really believe in keeping a laser focused on outcomes that comes from you know being an administrator and public school as you've got. You're looking at the data, and you're looking at the outcomes that you wanna see your school. Achieve and I didn't feel any differently about the forty eighth district so and I also know that I am term limits. I only have six years to accomplish everything I need to accomplish as a representative, so we didn't hit the ground running. and I also knew that I was learning on the job. Because I don't come from policy I don't. I didn't come from local government Iran. education and pro-labour agenda, and so I had to figure out how to be an effective legislator while I was learning how to be a legislator of. So you also coming from a job that Alaska, which was a pretty good job in pretty good job. Right neighborhood, too. I might add. A great job in INS. What I always tell folk says that I freeze me up to do the work that I feel. I need to do without getting too buried into the politics, because already had my dream job in. That's when I was the middle school, the principal Geisler middle school and wild late. And we did a Lotta and that was a squirrel that needed a lot of work, and we turned it around and made great things happen there, so that was my dream job. I've I've had that dream job. So this now is just making sure that I can help support other folks who are in my same position and all of our students teachers. You know throughout the state regardless of where students learn. To have a spat on education, so you know I've interviewed probably fifty people on this show so far. Almost all of them. They they are so humble and modest back. One guy interviewed after I hung up the phone and I was looking to get a picture for him. And found out, he was the grand national champion. BMX Racer from Flint Michigan. At one. He went national championship in Oklahoma while places. and. So, they're all modest in definitely are starting out that way I'm not GonNa, let you do that way. Break a new a little bit. This young lady here. She has started out. In in in one of the best of the best committee, if you WANNA put it that way in the legislature, which is the Appropriations Committee? She went straight to where the money was. Good. And she did. What good prosecutors do they go? find the find the money. And then she got herself appointed as the school aid and education committee member. Dole south the money. Along with the Republican colleagues might add On that committee, she also serves as the vice chair of the Agriculture Committee. And if anybody knows. Anything about Michigan. Agricultural pretty big stuff next automobiles on especially in the fortieth district. We've got and then if you WANNA look at the next biggest budget. It's the directions budget after the actually might be the biggest. At this point, I'm not sure it was. Educations, larger, education, and then A. Department of VHS helping Human Services. Crashes. We did spend more money for a while. When my armor classmate John, batchelor was governor, we did spend more money on corrections and we did education at one point, so you're telling me that's turned around. Status turned around Yup. Eventually in fact, we are going in a great direction when it comes to corrections very very proud of. Of the the philosophy behind her corrections department right now now getting back to your skill, somehow you ended up getting on the committee to two of the largest budgets in the state government. How that happened! I believe in discernment and I really went back and forth between policy and appropes. And couldn't make up my mind, and so I spoke to people who went before me like Pam Ferris and We'd former lieutenant, Governor John Cherry and not my colleague John, Cherry. That's that's her son, but former. Lieutenant Governor John Kerry and our current leader Chris Greg. And tried to fit my talents to where I could do. The most have the most service I love I love appropriations, which a lot of people don't they kinda? Roller is when they year the word, but in my mind I have The fire burning in my belly was to make sure that every single penny of taxpayer dollars is supposed to go. Go to public schools goes to public schools. And I knew for my experience that we've got an awful lot of people who have their hand out for those public school dollars that are not related to public schools. I'll be speaking about this at length on the House floor tomorrow. as we're facing some really horrible legislation that glimpse trying to push through. As a response to Kobe and is just a power. Grab some. Of the things that I noticed and Having worked in the legislature at age. having been around politics most all my life. the poor patients where the action is. It is and this league. Right here in the middle of it. To See what I love about appropriations. Is You get to see the system of government because we re support with our resources what we value? And we see what we value in appropriations, and we see how the different departments interact, and we see the system of government, clearly so I love appropriations. You know years ago before we have this. This setup in the legislature would term limits. It would take you a lifetime to get on the Appropriations Committee. And then I've always amazed at who back to be chairman of the the Appropriations Committee. Over the years I knew most of those guys. 'cause I was friends with them and And so over the years they you know they got promoted. Most as we had. A guy called the Jacob Eddie from the UP They called him the Godfather. And he ran the place within here this some more powerful than the governor might have been. One of the things you've done in which I assume near Ogden in right now recently up is you got appointed to a committee by? Governor Gretchen Whitmer, which is to be an advisor to the governor along with other experts on the reopening of schools in wake of this corona virus. About that position, and what what you're up to yeah, so I did I we continue to. Meet and that committee we had a hard deadline of June thirtieth of getting the roadmap. Put Out, so we were working with national experts in school aberrations epidemiology. Epidemiology specifically epidemiology in school settings because schools are spread germs very differently than say people go into work at GM. Tactic just by the nature, developmental nature, little ones, and so working with those healthier, those epidemiologist and operations experts Then we had representatives from malls different aspects. Everything from you know superintendent. Level Teachers Students. Administrators from each each level of school elementary middle. School High School. I served a dual purpose of looking through the policy lands. Ends legislature later, but also having recently been administrator, and so I, actually ended up on the operations subcommittee and the Policy Subcommittee of that group and what I was pleased with how much we agreed upon Listening to what science is telling us and what we know works, and what we know doesn't work. I thought that allow. There'd be a lot of disagreement amongst those of us. who were in the committee? Actually it was led brilliantly and And I we came I. Mean really the Roadmap is pretty much a consensus of what what we agreed. Was the meant to be guardrails? It wasn't meant to be over-prescriptive. It's not meant to be you know. A checklist of this is what you need to to open school. It was really an. Meant to be guardrail, so the local districts could look at their current circumstances, and the needs of their communities, which vary differently throughout Michigan and their current resources and say this is the fit that works for us, but minimum late mental molly. We have to have at least this in place in order to open our face for phase three face by whatever. Was Air this been. Yeah. Yes schools schools going to start now. The question is and what form Some schools are going to wait and see maybe the first marking period to see. feel more comfortable about having in person instruction other districts like mine and we've got a lot of those essential workers that they've been working through this entire covert experience, and they need to childcare provided. They need food assistance all those other. Social Roles that public schools provide and so there's a safety aspect of making sure that that kids are cared for and taken care of while their parents are going to work in serving those essential roles so in our district. That's a big part of the conversation as well as you know. How do we keep germs from? Spreading is making sure that we don't have little ones. Watching littler ones at home because mom and dad don't have. A safety nut for childcare so certain. Things are taken into consideration. Okay. Does your district goal over to flushing as well or is? Now used to yeah you stay, but now it's a Mutt Ross. Is My farthest, West. Community, but it's, but it's north of flushing, not including -freshing. When you walked into an you been in lansing now by ear half. It's quite a place to work. I love it. Is Very exciting. Tell me your reaction when you first walked in and saw those big ceilings. Reaction Everyday when I walk into that into the end of the House floor. I'm a history buff in so one of the things I learned was that our desks star the original desks? You know so. I love just touching my desk and think of all of the other legislators who stand at dusk and touch that desk and maybe slept on the desk when we have those two to three am. Stashes that. Go on forever. Accounted the desk. I'm really I just I'm in awe of of the history. That I'm surrounded by, and and we always say you know. He's done and shoulders of giants, I think that you know, you can't not feel bad when you're serving a house floor and representing your community, the community I grew up in their generally grew up in in so It's a huge responsibility and I do. I do try to taken the vibe for now now and again. If I have to kind of think about well, you know what a privilege to serve here now now I forgot to ask you the most important question. No correct the appropriations committee dose out. How much though? Much money. Gas! Forty billion dollars I think is what our budgets. She said billion, yeah. So everybody's nice to when you're dealing. Out Forty billion dollars. And so when you were in that? When you're in that place. In the old days the reason they call them lobbyists. Can tell the story, but. He may have changed things since I was there, but they used to hang out in the lobby. Chambers is. I don't think they'll ever change. And and so, how how? How was dealing with lobbyists I was that. It's fine One of the things that I said you know coming in early on when you meet with everybody, you know you can't go through your first few months. Meet and greets and what I shared with everyone is if you wanna get to know first of all, my door is open to everyone In even if we are more politically on opposite sides of an issue traditionally, but there's something that we can connect on. My door is always open number two is. Don't give me the slick piece of paper with pretty pictures in the grass. I WANNA see the research behind the pretty pictures in the graph. So if you're trying to convince me to change my mind about something I need more than just. A pretty picture a graph I wanna see what what research your position has based on, and I'll read the research because I'm a researcher so I've got no problem reading research on my own and coming up with my own conclusions, and so that's the burden is too IF THEY WANNA change, my mind about something as they have to convince me in a way that speaks to data speaks to science speaks to quality research, and once everybody understood that then the, and they realized how accessible I really am willing to be accessible to folks then is. is about building relationships and I try to build the relationships with everybody and I think I've developed. A relationship with the lobby is a straight shooter. I'm going to be honest I don't flip flop. I believe what I believe because you. You know I'm demonstrated that I. that's the smartest way to go and serve my community in the best way and and so I, think that you know people knowing affair shooter and I'm willing to compromise willing to work across the island willing to do whatever I need to do to make life better for. Now you grew up in. You grew up in Genesee, county and Tusla bit about where where you're from and in your background that way or might actually. I grew up in Davison. My Mom. Is a sixth generation resident of the area. Like my six times. Great grandfather was buried less than a mile from my house. And his his father was in the revolutionary war. So that tells you how deep though my mom's roots go to the area. My Dad is a very typical flint A story in that his parents were Hungarian immigrants. He settled in the Saint John's district. He didn't speak English until he was five. Infidelity! My grandmother was pregnant with him on the boat over He was born in one thousand eighteen, so so he grew up in flint met wonderful. Rich experience imigrants experience, but what I learned from his story. was that the role that public. Local health and government played in lifting up his community, and also the rule that General Motors played in moving him to the middle class, and also UAW and so when he was in eighth grade, he went to flint northern when he was in eighth grade general. Motors couldn't import their engineers from Germany. And around the world they had to build their own engineers, and he was actually tested by General Motors in eighth grade, and was found to be pretty. Challenging math and science, and so he would go to school all day, and then he would go to extension classes that were offered through General Motors so that by the time he was eighteen He was already on that half. Now now we call those stackable credentials where someone starts with a certificate and grows He retired after forty two years at General Motors as a designer he raised. Five kids, we all have. College degrees some of advanced degrees. We grew up in Davidson Very. middle-class experienced it I. Mean I watched mad men is kind of you know it takes me back to what it was like growing up. We had one car. All the men carpooled. Driving to AC, you know and. How many siblings at four so I'm the youngest of? Five boys and girls. At three girls, two boys and the oldest. Now oldest to graduated from Flint Central. My my brother was actually flint central. India he was a Mascot Flint, central and he graduated in sixty six from Flint Central, and then my other brothers and sisters they moved. We moved to Davis when they were like twelve ten. You participate in activities that at Davidson High School. Oh, yeah, I, was always a music kid, so I was in the musicals and ended up being the choir director at Davidson High School. You know as a professional I took over after my teacher retired and and taught in the same classroom. I grew up in so. Yeah, the my background, so as a teacher I was a coral music teacher. Beautiful. Just off whilst the former state, Senator Jack Facts who is a great singer and and. There are a lot of great singers in. The House right now and I think you have to be a little bit of an actor to do this job. For sure. Well in any event you moved along from Davis in. High School. And you went onto college. Where did you go to school at the? My undergrad was actually in Seattle Washington. Seattle has a huge opera and so I was at that time. Torn between performance and education. So I just had a really unique experience going to a very small liberal arts college in Seattle, and had some cool experiences internships with opera. Scene Out there, and then realized I did not want to ever be and I say I love teaching, and so I moved back home to Michigan. Career in are made a Michigan a for I moved Davidson. City Seattle is my son lives out there. It's great, beautiful place, and then and then you did you. Where did you get your PHD from Open University here? Rush again all right very good. So, you've been a teacher now. One of the things that was impressive to me because. I've worked with a lot of candidates and public officials many years specially trying to get him elected. And I just loved how you set what your priorities were. You're able to tell me probably got to memorize, but I wanna try I WANNA try. So one of the things she says she has priorities in an equals mom. Second Passion. She's passionate. Principal. Lifetime educator. Wholehearted advocate and I love that last one that was great, wholehearted advocate Tell us a little bit about your mom. Your you you. The mom me the man. Well. I've raised three children, but. I feel like I've raised. About ten thousand children over the course of thirty years than in public schools and I view my mind district very much in the same way that. I view. I view taking care of my my students and families one. I was the principal. I, when I was running, I talked about. Representative isn't about just. Legislation is also about leadership. And the Ma'am side of it I. Think Mom's great leaders. MOMS make great leaders. and. When you win win! I studied leadership in my graduate work. there are a lot of of things that aligned between am what I, my role, as a mom, and a wife, my role as an administrator, and now taking that those readership talents, and serving my mind, greater community, and you have some hobbies or interests outside of your professional life. Yeah well, you know. Music is now my hobby. It used to be my profession. And when it was in my profession, people would say what kind of music do you enjoy listening to and I'd say the news because I spent my whole day. You know six hours a day playing the piano and having to analyze really you know v critical of the music that we're trying to create. Now I can actually sit down and enjoy just playing the piano and singing in church singing in small groups and. And and don't have to be perfect and I. Don't have a big. Production coming up I can just enjoy it. I loved I just love being with my family. My oldest son is. Serving. In the Molise right now. He's a captain in Michigan National Guard. And my other son is. An seminary he's. We're getting ready to move to Tennessee and a few days. He'll be going to seminary and hopefully be Kamaruddin doesn't fiscal crease. And then my daughter is going to be a student at Matt next next foucault so So. I just. Spending time with them I. don't even care what we're doing. You know it's there might do boys or married, and so just having some time I'll do whatever they want, and do you know I really? Don't outright a roller coaster ride roller coasters outright roller coasters just so that we're spending family time 'cause. or Are, you a reader? I am a non fiction reader. To read biography or Biographies History anything. About Women in leadership. Any recommendations for more recent books. You might read that you liked. I was late to the game of reading a Michelle Obama's book. And so I'm just I'm about halfway through that. and. I'll tell you it's funny. I'm such a nerd. But I love management books. Because I love organizational psychology, and especially in in the really strange world that I live in right now just. always I've always analyzing the the behaviors of humans when they're. In social settings, so and so there's a great because five dysfunctions of a team. And it really lays out. You know how we get it wrong when we're trying to work as a group and come to common goal and I refer to that book. Probably a hundred times a day when I'm analyzing how the politics interact in different individuals, and their personalities interact a house floor, so I just heard i. can't i. wish I'd had something flashier talk about my dad's stuff. About Yourself, that's pretty important to me and the rest of the people that are good for you, and it's pretty normal than me Let me. Ask you a couple. Other questions one of the things that's posted the hearts with people. And I might tell you. I just found out that spend eight hundred dollars to fix the front end my chuck. Because, he hit a pothole someplace long line. Now in Michigan. Say. I only retreat. Deplore gets too cold here. Now. You oppressively the first thing I learned about you was that he actually got some money for the dam road to fix the worst road in Montrose. Is You describing? Where there worst road wasn't Montrose, but they always tech crappy roads out there. What have you been up to with getting the roads fixed? Well that was one of those things that that. I really just helped what I love to do is help connect our local governments with access to grants and other opportunities that already exist in state government. So I didn't have to pass a law. I didn't have to convince anybody to do anything. All I had to do with assist the local city of Matt Rose Hey. There's a grant out there that I think you could be successful at. My staff will help you any way we can to help you. Write the grant if you need it. And I will write a letter of support, and I will make the phone calls that I need to make to make sure people are wing is on the grant, and then Lo and behold. They received the grant, and it was important because it was a road piece of road. Everybody drives on, but it was kind of one of those little pieces of road that nobody wants to claim to fix you know there's always this kind of corners that the city thinks belongs to the township in town of things that belongs to the city and they all you know it was one of those and so. In rows are so expensive and small towns like Matt, rose can't afford you know the two million dollars. It takes to to repave a road correctly, so I was through to just facilitate that and how them Help them be successful. Jumping ahead of anybody either that road was rated crappy by the Michigan the. Transportation however bad, it was bad. It was and then. Similarly with Richfield. We have A. we have a landfill. In richfield township and that again I didn't have to pass a law to fix this problem I. Just had to facilitate getting all the people in the room that could come up with a solution, and that included people from Eagle. And amd are and MSU extension all of the in our local our local township. Supervisors County Commissioners and we sat in a room and it was essentially. I gave them the burden. No, saying look. We're not leaving this room until we come up with a solution for the pizzas that are leaking the groundwater right next to the Holloway Reservoir. That's not okay and we have this abandoned site beds. That were running out of money. For you know just kind of what we've been doing is draining the water tree in the water running out of money so once we were able to get everyone in the room and todd kind of review what the problem was a review. What a potential solution! Wise! The solution was to camping with a bunch of play, but of clay cap on on this leaky landfill site. which is expensive. And Lo and behold township, just to the south of rich township happened to build this lake callous a few years ago, and they didn't have a place to put their clay, so there's this mountain of Clay Clean Clay Davidson Township, and we need a mountain of play an a cap to Cap wiki land so enrich yield township, so we thought. Oh great problem solve well. Then we found out. It was GONNA cost one point one million dollars to move the clay from Davidson Township eight miles north. To richfield township, and and just spread it, and to seed it and do everything we need to do to make it work so then once again. I just went to Eagle and advocated Eagle. Article is who eagle is. Is Our as our water. Land Environment The to be not DNR Easter be. Their mental quality. Chew and all those. kind of combined so went to Eagle instead I need. I need an estimate of how much this is. GonNa be eyesight originally. When they said Oh you know, we just have to move the clad dot, probably eighty, thousand one hundred thousand dollars. We've got that in the budget already. And then they came back and they said. Eight hundred thousand dollars and I own now. We're never going to begin, and then then I two weeks later, they said No. We just changed. The estimate is now point one million dollars. So. Both and I also worked with Gary Peters. Gary Peters, and his staff to and Dan Kildee thinking we might have to look at the federal dollars that we were able to do it right out of our state money money that's already set aside for that purpose through our department at UCLA. touchtone yes, yeah. I am so proud of that now. You've only been there eighteen months this amazing stuff. This is not normal. Above normal. All right one last thing I want to talk about I happen to. I'll tell my bias most my friends know it. I am a huge fan of Gratton Gretchen whitmer. She is just what we need at this moment and. She has more than one good idea in that more than one good idea is deal with Michigan's. Horrific. Situation with education, and and when we look historically at Michigan. we, we always had great schools always had great schools at Great better colleges. And one of the things that jumped off the page while I was doing research for some of these legislative interviews I'm doing was that Michigan ranks in the bottom third of states in attaining college diploma. And in that's. Serve recent phenomenon. And in in education general we're with. We figure about last in the nation in funding over the last twenty five years for all lower Eight hundred twelve. But we don't have enough teachers. And, we spent A. Decade and a half of declaring war on the teachers. Trying to steal their pension monies and all that, and so in the an obviously when you don't spend money in the classrooms, the performances students declines. Noticeable and it is noticeable. Correlated, so we can see the decline in student outcomes. The decline in investment. Question to you is Governor Gretchen. What she did and what you helped do so far was put on the on the plainfield. They called the play. The play was called. Let me see if I got the name of down here. It's called Miami. Or am I offer to of. My opportunity in my reconnect. Are So I. saw you standing next to Gretchen in? You had the microphone and she was listening, so tell me what you had to say. So my opportunity in my reconnect are to. create an opportunity for those stackable credentials that we talked about earlier. So one of the things growing up in Davison in the seventies. We had a lot of skilled trades workers, and that we had professional folks and everyone was a middle class. You don't pretty much middle class and they gave her dance lessons and piano lessons and pass to the Davison. Pool for their kids. And it was a safe community and parents go meet with their principal if they if they needed to and and the community I live in now and I don and for years is People are working just as hard as they did. When I was growing up, but they're working for two minimum wage jobs because they don't have credentials, they have high school education and there's no path way to that next step in once you get started in your adult life. It becomes more and more difficult to pay for. Your home and food and gas for your car and also pay for even even a community college education, so my opportunity provides for last dollar. Funds after pell grants and everything else. You still have to apply and get all that federal money, and then by opportunity in my reconnect fill in that gap between those those dollars you get from your best, the and then what you? Need to complete your credentialing and a credential could be a certificate that you could get and one semester, but that certificate band could lead to an associate's degree, which could to a bachelor's degree, and it's about making sure that we have a pathway to the middle class through education through post, high school education opportunities for eighteen to twenty four year old, and my reconnected for twenty five year olds so essentially you're. The idea that Governor Whitman passed in that you joined. You're trying to achieve. is to make education a more affordable. Many of these kids excess accessible. vesicles. The. Only, the second time has gone on. That means that we have to. We have to wind up. So, so you're trying to make education more affordable lease for the first couple of years. They WANNA. Keep going of your story altogether. But ultimately you WANNA raise the educational levels of people in the community, so they can get jots is your if they they have jobs? This is the thing that people don't. Is People have jobs. They work really really hard. They had two jobs. And they still have to rely on section eight assistance and and bridge cards and other assistance, because those two jobs aren't enough to support a family. Even minimally. So that that tap dancing, you hear, hear the background. That's Charlie. He's my Brittany. and. He's sleeping about barking at meetings. He knows when it's time to end the show. He's been trained when he hears that that. I WanNa ask you another question because I know a lot of us. Are Big Gretchen Whitmer fans. So, what's it like what she likes in end? Tell us a little bit about it. So I would say she is exactly the way you see her when she does her press conferences is the way she is in person. She is pragmatic she. Is Very smart and funny. They're really funny. and came to the office to serve genuinely she was not like me. She never liked planned on being governor. It just came to a point where she kind of looked around, and said well, if not me, who and so, and that's the way she leads She's I can call. I can call governor Whitmer and speak to her She checks in on all of us. you know I talked? About a week ago. and. She was just checking in. Cheryl, just Colin check an end. How's it going? You know we're working on a lot of educational things collaboratively and talked about that talked about election talked about a lot of talk about personal things, and she's just a super strong lady, and she's brilliant when it comes to the her political. Like she knows what the heck she's doing and I. I respect I really respect that because. I Republican leadership thought they could just steamroll over her like they did. There are previous Republican governor and she made it very clear sheet. She taught them how she expected to be treated. and. And it wasn't easy. They made it they made it. You know it wasn't easy. It wasn't a cakewalk block and she knew what she is doing and she was successful saw. Yeah, well, you know my sister and I my sister Pat who lives up in northern Michigan while we're both big big buffs of mackinac island, so we usually go there. A lack. So. She asked me one day. Have you ever been the governor's mansion? While of course over Dominion Years, I worked in government is going to go there many times. But for whatever reason I just never went A. And, so she dragged me over there to the governor's mansion in. We did the tour wonderful to by the way. And Gretchen had moved in with her family and decorated it up a little bit, and she's got good taste by way can tell her I said. And It's a great spot, and hopefully we live in a great state. And a senior. It's in good hands so. Is there anything you want to say? Signed an outgoing out on the on the trail next. Well. Let's say that let's say you're. I am up for election and we need to flip four seats in the House of Representatives from red to blue and man. I can be in the majority. If I'm in a majority, there's a good chance I might be leading our K.. Twelve appropes committee next term, which is is really my goal. My goal is to be era case while the probes, so that I can work alongside a great governor and collaboratively we can create a fair and equitable and fully funded. Public. Education so so your district again. Forty Eighth District, which is Davidson township north to forest township west to Matt Rose, and it also includes genesee. Right on the way, Matt rose. You go through play in Denver Yana. be. Forgive my old neighborhood. Irresistible there. The it's been a pleasure to meet you I. I've never met her before the survey by the way all of my friends out there listening and I am. Jordan narrowly impressed with your just your credentials, but the passion that you have and the. And the fact that you got on the Appropriations Committee in your first week in the legislature is like an amazing thing to me. I cannot believe. so you have tremendous leadership skills take care. Keep in touch with us. And we'll. We'll check in with you once in a while I'd like that very much. Good luck on the campaign trail same.

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UFYB 119: Five Years of Thought Work Part 1: Body, Work & Money

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UFYB 119: Five Years of Thought Work Part 1: Body, Work & Money

"Fuck your rain the only podcast odd cast teaches you how to use psychology feminism and coaching to rewire your brain. And get what you like. And now here's your host Harvard Law School Brad Them Rockstar and master coach. Hard low and file. Hello my chickens. So I'm GonNa do something a little bit different today the next two weeks. I hope you all find it useful. It was super adjusting for me to go over and do and. Here's where it came from. We just opened up registration for the next clutch collagen. It sold out in forty eight hours which was amazing obviously will need to do another one this year because I know some of you didn't even get three meals about it before that happened but as I was answering questions and talking to my students about the event one thing that kept coming up was that they wanted to kind of know. What is the difference? Prince you can expect from doing this work over a longer period of time or in a more intense way and it just kind of made me think about how I want all of you to know. Oh what you can expect from learning how to manage your mind because when I think about what makes people give up on themselves and stop trying to manage their minds. I think the number one thing is self judgment and that self judgment really comes from having unrealistic expectations. Shins of what managing your mind should look like and then judging yourself for not being there yet and so I am coming up on five years since I discovered this kind of thought work that my work is based on and so I wanNA share with you. What is different in my life? And what is the same and my hope is that these episodes as will give you an idea of both. What kind of unbelievable changes truly are possible without work and how having unrealistic expectations can kind of Steinier block your progress? If there's one overall takeaway I think it's a concept I've talked about before which is as humans. Men's we've vastly overestimate how much we can get done in a day or a week and we vastly underestimate what can happen in six months or a year. You're right radical. Change is possible but it's not usually radically quick right overnight and so the other thing I want you to keep in mind when you listen to what I've experienced and what has changed or not changed for me is that I have not done thought work every single day of the last five years I have not I had a perfect attendance record right. I have not done every single possible. Worksheet I can do I do not have a perfect morning. Routine rate is not about perfection action. It's about coming back to the practice of managing your mind over and over again ray. You don't go to yoga class and then think like okay. We'll now I knew how to I do all yoga or you wouldn't go yoga consistently build up your practice. Stop going and then be shocked that you couldn't do the same things used to be able to do right. Managing your mind is a practice. It's a lifetime relationship with yourself in your own experience. It's not like learning Algebra or once you learn it than you know now and then you just use it you know only occasionally when you need to. It's a practice so bear that in mind that my results do not come from perfect practice or from just learning at once and being done so what I'm GonNa do is talk briefly about kind of each major area of my life and how it's changed since started using thought work and so what is different and then some things that aren't different and in this episode. I'M GONNA cover money mindset work and professional life and kind of body image food movement stuff and the next week. I'm GonNA talk about family. Romantic relationships social relationships things -iety then in the third episode. I'm GonNa talk about my relationship with myself how I relate to the work that I'm doing on my mind now how that's changed so we're GONNA start with body image food and movement which are obviously three very big areas and apologized you is. I'm a little bit sniffly today. So I'm sorry that I sound a bit stepped up but progress. Not Perfection rate okay so in the kind of area of my thoughts and may Eh actions around food and movement and hiking about my body so five years ago in two thousand fifteen. I was still trying to diet and lose weight because because I wanted to just finally be good enough right and I thought that if I just lost weight I would finally feel good about myself and everything would work out right. Everybody would love me. Nobody would judge me. I'd have a perfect partner. I would run marathons like whatever can Afanasyev. He's I had about that. But two thousand fifteen which is the year that this part of my I journey started with this former thought work was also the year that I first discovered the idea of body positively an anti diet culture so in two thousand fifteen. I started to hear about these things but they haven't really sucked Kenya and so I still really heated my body. I thought about my weight and my body and what I was eating thing and losing weight. And how and when and making elaborate plans I mean. Carry Out and always vowing to start again on Monday right. That was just a never ending. Refrain in my remind and I was constantly mentally living in this fantasy future. Ride a totally different body and everything was perfect and meanwhile in reality I was still binging and purging because I was restricting both mentally and physically and I was very angry at my body. Also both for how it looked and how it felt. And then what it could or couldn't do because of chronic pain and I did a lot of work on the appearance elements I and I'm still working on some of the kind of chronic pain and relationship to my body in its limitations but what I can see now looking back is that I just had so many expectations about what my body body should or should look like and should hirschson to be able to do and should or shouldn't feel like and really you know just like your relationship with anyone else. Your relationship with your body is so hamstrung by all of those expectations that you kinda create out of nowhere or society teaches your you just decide died. Should be the case and then you're constantly measuring it against these expectations that it can't live up to and then you feel betrayed or deprived or angry answer and so that's really the place I was in. I thought about my body all the time and it was almost all negative and I had a constant running tally in my head of like what I'd eaten and if it was too much if I had been bad if I've been good what life would be like when I lost weight. Ironically I was the lowest weight of my adult life because I've been trying to lose weight for years and you you know a little bit successfully over a long period of time so now it's twenty twenty. I weigh quite a bit more than I did. In two thousand fifteen like a lot of people. I gained way when I stopped artificially restricting dieting. I don't weigh myself so I don't know how much more but I'm several clothing sizes bigger and yet I feel infinitely better after about my body. I don't criticize my body to myself anymore. About its appearance at all and I'm still working on getting better about not having negative thoughts about how it feels feels like about pain or about how it works. Things that can or can't do. I really rarely think about what I'm eating what I weigh or how I look in a negative way. I I think my body is gorgeous and sexy and beautiful and I have a lot more appreciation for the way that it nourishes and carries me through the world. I have less pain. Gene I have more mobility and I accept my body's abilities and limitations more and I think that's a couple of reasons one is that have so many fewer negative thoughts about about it and I think that the relationship between archive negative thinking about our bodies and chronic pain. That there's a relationship there also because I've accepted what my body actually is lake AAC. I'm able to find movement that can do in this body rather than believing my body should be different and it's wrong and then not looking for what I can do. So now I lift weights weights twice a week with a trainer. I'm stronger I'm more able to stick with things like physical therapy and I understand my pain a very different way. I know understand it as our neurological are logical pattern and a window into my emotions rather than a sign that. Something's wrong with my body and it's broken now. You know very occasionally still not all thought patterns. Go Away forever not all dogs go to heaven. My brain will still light out with a like. Hey you know if you just lost weight that would solve all your negative feelings circuit like that circuit still exists in my rain. But it's rare and I know not to buy into it when it does and most of the time I just don't think about what I'm eating or my body and I have so much more time and energy for other things but I say that to you because I will hear people kind of talking about it like something has gone really wrong if an old fought comes up and and you just have to think it's like your brain's old circuits. They're like unused railroad tracks right like they might be overgrown with vegetation or whatever but sometimes one of them lights up like sometimes. A train tries to go down one me because you're stressed or like you have some other strong emotion. You don't know how to deal with and your brain is just like rummaging around back there like what's the solution. What's the solution? How do I get rid of this upset or strasser pain? Oh I know. Here's this like old track. Let me try playing that rate so sometimes sometimes you work through a thought pattern and it goes away forever but sometimes it just occasionally almost randomly will light up and that doesn't mean anything went wrong. You just start like oh whoops we gotta Like shut off the electricity to that track back over here is what we're thinking and at the same time so that occasionally still happens but I have so much time. Hi and energy for other things. Because I don't have the constant soundtrack in my brain about what I ate too much or too little or like. How many calories? How many fat grams sir? How many carbs are whatever rate? And I'm not spending all this time thinking about. How do I look compared to other people or how I used to look how my clothes fit right was constant inner monologue analog? That's what's allowed me to like build a business and coach myself in all these other areas that we're gonNA talk about and sort of have all of the mental energy for that. I started with body. Imagine I kind of think it makes sense because that's something that women are socialized to spend so much time thinking about at the same time like I mentioned I'm still working through some of those. These patterns in a more subtle way like related to how my body feels and can move related to how different foods feel in my body and making decisions about that that I'm just like learning how to relate to my thought patterns around restriction and choice and what's quote unquote you know switching from good bad to what feels certain ways in my body I'm still navigating that and working on it and I expect I will continue to because I think that there are multiple layers of all of these thought patterns patterns rate and. It's like those same way that I always say like the way you do. One thing we do everything like your thought pattern about scarcity and money will often be the same as your thought thought pattern about scarcity in family love or dating or something else if I had been practising thoughts for years that like some foods are good or bad or that my body good at doing certain things. I'm going to work through those on one level and then I'm not gonna be surprised when I see you know an echo of them at a more subtle level in another way it's not gonna be as intense or extreme emotions not nearly as intense. It doesn't disrupt my life as much. It's a much smaller kind of movement on the scale. But they're still there that doesn't mean that anything has gone wrong so that is food movement body image soon so now I want to talk about work in two thousand fifteen. I was still in locker. -demia I was running a think tank at Columbia Law School and my plan plan had been to go on the market as a law professor to get a law professor job I had a couple of fellowships but around this time. Two Thousand Fifteen is when I decided to attend coach certification. But I still couldn't say I wanted to be life coach with a straight face. I had a lot of drama about what other people would think. I was still will very attached to having this prestigious mainstream career and all the intellectual capital of saying. That's what I did. And my big crazy goal was to replace my salary from the think tank which was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars which was actually quite high for academia. My big goal is to replace at my first three years in business. I think that was my plan which we'll talk about a minute. How hilarious that is? I was constantly thinking about how I should work better or differently or more or harder. When I wasn't thinking about my body I was thinking about high wasn't good enough in my job? I wasn't organized enough. I procrastinate too much any get enough done on. I wasn't productive. I wasn't smart enough all of if I could do something in half the time that someone else did it and it was good. I still thought that that didn't account somehow and that I should put in double the time and make an amazing right. I was very are nothing. Everything should be an a plus. Everything should be perfect. I basically believe that if it wasn't hard it it didn't count right like work. Had to be hard and if it wasn't hard it didn't count but then I made it really hard for myself and then I didn't WanNa do it so I had like a little perfect system there. I also didn't think that I had original ideas either in law or in coaching really. I couldn't imagine how I could ever come up with something new. Look I thought all the good ideas had been done already is hilarious. Now when I think about it but I really believed this that all the good ideas had been done in law or coaching rate. Eight and so. Although I wanted to be a coach I couldn't imagine that I would ever be kind of prominent or have a big following or come up with something new to teach people. I took any feedback on my ideas or work extremely personally. I had really intense imposter syndrome anxiety around debt and I couldn't handle even like a few people I knew well critiquing. My work says basically just very anxious procrastinating a lot and despite having a a career that looked like I'd accomplish on the outside I was constantly discounting at and disclaiming yet and sort of excusing away. My success in blaming it on giving the credit for it to people outside of me or other things outside of me and never believing that I was contributing something special now five years later twenty twenty. I'm running a multi-million alien dollar business and I truly believe that I am a great coach. Who is changing people's lives by teaching them this work? I am providing two full time employees rate with their salaries and their benefits 401k's and when I think back to my a goal I had of making a whole hundred and fifty thousand in my third year in reality. What happened is that I made two hundred in my second year and then I mean a million in my third and then two million in my fourth in a funny way I think some of the positive things are the same as they were my past career? I'm still mission driven. I still believe in being of service. I still do my work from that place of. What can I contribute view to the world? What do I have to teach at help? People and I'm still focused on liberating women from all of the kind of oppressive passive impacts the patriarchy. But now I just do it based on the inside said the outside I also still a human and I have to manage my mind sometimes to focus. No Oh my brain wants to procrastinate on doing new things are things that things are hard. I have the total flexible freedom to set my own schedule. And that is a blessing and a curse right takes a whole extra level of organization and self kind of discipline. I don't procrastinate nearly as much but my brain's Dole wants to. I still have the echoes of those thoughts right again year. Like hearing common theme that Neural Circuit isn't completely dead. It's just much quieter and don't listen to it anymore. That's what I've learned to do. I also find now that I'm actually working less and more efficiently. I used to sort of especially academic much like being self employed. Your work can extend to take up all your time. And most academics work all the time because they also are kind of self structured other than like. They're teaching by with their writing in their work. And there's an infinite number of things that could be working so as I've gotten better at sticking my calendar and working less and more efficiently now I have a whole new area of thought work to do which which is around how to spend my free time and that's actually. I think a lot of people have trouble. I'm your whole episode on that. I think a lot of the buffering dumbing out we do is because we don't know what to do and we do have had free time but all that is to say sometimes what happens. Is You solve one problem in your life and it opens up a new problem and I think that's a beautiful thing it's like I've solved one thing now. Now have this new way to grow this new area to explore a new place to evolve also finally just come to accept that however much much I think I do I don't work. That's just a thought like my thoughts about how much work are really irrelevant. The results speak for themselves. And that's true whether you're results ulcer amazing or your results are lackluster right. Always look back at the result in your model. Like what results are you getting in. That tells you everything you need to know and I spent a lifetime. I time having drama around my own opinion of like whether I was working hard enough or working enough or whatever else entice finally realized who cares. What's my result assault? Okay I have this business that I wanted to have reaching my goals. I'm teaching all these women that I wanted to teach like. If I'm getting the result I want then my opinion about whether I'm working enough for not is really irrelevant. And that's one of the things that I think I have come to see as I have gotten farther in. This journey is like yes I could change my thought to say that I work hard. I've worked on that some but also sometimes you just learn how to not engage with a thought or decide that it's irrelevant like now. My thought is just like I know brain you are. You never think that I've done on an offer that I I always could work hard. I could be more organized. Your opinions. Just irrelevant I don't care I'm getting the result I want. So that's all it matters. I really no longer worry about being qualified to do my job which I had as an academic but also when I started coaching and I really believe now that I've created created a unique body of work that no one else could create. That's something that always felt like. It was missing when I was litigating and I had a little bit as an academic but then of course I started coaching. I had had all the same thoughts of like all the ideas are taken. There's nothing new I can come up with and I believe that for the first year or two and cited create anything all that new and then as I I started to change that belief now I really believe I'm creating a unique body of work that no one else can create and I think the final thing that has changed in this area for me is that I'm willing willing to let what's easy. Be Easy and what's hard be hard like. I don't believe everything should be easy but I don't believe everything has to be hard. I used to make everything hard heard and now I am much better at just letting what's easy. Be Easy and dealing with it when it's hard but not believing that I need to make everything hard just to sort of prove that it's work or that is good enough. Okay the last topic that I want to cover on this episode which kind of relates to the work is money is in two thousand fifteen i. I did not in any way shape or form believe that I could make as much money as I wanted and I actually. I don't think I believed I really had to do with how much money I made like. That was something thing that was decided by someone else right. I believe that money was something I got from a salary that someone else decided and that given my abilities and interest trust the most I could ever make was like low six figures as an academic. I also believe that was bad at math. I was bad with money. I didn't understand business like that. All all these things were kind of inherent it was very fixed mindset like these are things I'm bad at and don't understand and that's how it is and I didn't really want identify with being an entrepreneur because I had a lot have thoughts about people who made money or want to make money your head businesses. I had a lot of negative judgmental thoughts about that so when I was going to master coach training. I've talked about this before or I was very intense with my teacher about how I didn't identifies a business woman or an entrepreneur. Nice still don't know how she didn't murder me during those coaching sessions. But I was like so committed to that because of all the judgmental negative thoughts I had about people who make money or businesses even though we all live under conditions of advanced capitalism. We all have to make money one way or another right but it was somehow in my brain like okay to get it as a salary but if you try to make it then that was sort sort of saying that you wanted to make money and you wanted more money in. That was terrible so I wanted to be a coach but not a business owner basically but at the same time I didn't actually really WANNA out of work for anyone else. I actually wanted to my own business. I was having trouble admitting that to myself and then I also believe that making money meant that I was like that if I title someone paid me for coaching. I was taking their money like that was their money and I was taking it and there was something negative in that like. They had less than when they started and I had more. That was a problem so five years later in twenty twenty I fully identify as a business owner and entrepreneur. I believe that I can create money. Johny easily and that money flows to and from me easily and since starting my business I've created several million dollars in revenue already which is an amount that I never are ever would have imagined I could earn or create. I really believe that making money as easy and that all I need is my mind and I believe that making money as a coach means that I'm showing people how to invest in the one solution the world that actually solves any problem and that when they invest in coaching. It's actually preventing them from wasting their money on things that don't help and won't change their lives. I've now also had access to so many other people's brains and heard their money thoughts that it's impossible for me to not see the truth. which is whether you feel richfield poor or feel scarcer feel abundant? has nothing to do with. What's in your bank account? It has everything to do with your thoughts about that number. Some things are still the same. I always spent fairly freely but I used is to beat myself up about that and think that I should be thriftier and more have more budgetary and more finicky about every cent and now. I see that I'm just someone who both earns and spends freely and abundantly and seeing money as a renewable resource and flow for me is what is allowed me to scale my business and helped so many people so so quickly and create jobs and hire people like it's both it's like money flows in money flows out. It's just a flow and rather than thinking. I don't have enough often have to hold onto what I have because even if you I don't believe you can do just one sort of you decide you can create money but you're still feeling scarcely about it like you have to hold onto it then you can't grow your business. You don't create jobs for other people white. It's a flow. It has to go both ways but I also see that. I'm not all the way there with my money mindset. I don't and yet believe that I can make any amount of money I want. I still have ideas of what is plausible or not so I can stretch my brain to see. It's possible I might be able to have a business that creates let's say twenty million in revenue and provides amazing jobs for fifty people like that. I don't fully believe it or I would have it now but I can see that I could believe it. It's like within my kind of forward vision of possible things to believe. But I don't believe yet that I can have a business that creates a hundred million in revenue or five hundred million in revenue or employees hundreds of people. They're still a cap on my belief rate. I still don't believe it can truly truly be any number. And that's why they're still a cap on my results and that's totally okay. It's just the next level of the work right and then one of the three one of the most important things have stayed the same which has been very interesting in my kind of Educational Life Until coaching. I went to private schools. I went to Ivy League. Colleges is there are obviously people of all backgrounds there but so my coaching colleagues came from backgrounds. Where they didn't know any business owners didn't know anyone who had any money and that's been you? You know an interesting transition for them for me because I grew around people from a variety of income levels. I never thought that having money made someone happy and I still don't don't just had all this evidence all around me and my daily life that people were happy or unhappy at every conceivable income level. All all the way from people making not that much over the federal poverty. Line all the way up until billionaires like I had sort of accessed experiencing and people all of those levels and so money is convenient. And if you're below a subsistence level like if you can't take care of your physical needs getting to a subsistence level. It makes a big difference but beyond that the studies show right. It doesn't change your happiness and I just think I never believed it did so that has not been a big shift for me like I always saw that people were happy or unhappy either separate from their money or even about their money at all different levels than it really. They had to do with how they thought about it. And that's still the same. That's only proved to be more true to me. Now that I have access to hundreds of thousands of people's thoughts about money so that it is how things have changed and some of how they haven't changed for me since I started doing this work in those three areas next week. I'M GONNA tackle my family. Social Romantic relationships. Tall things have changed in terms of thinking about my relationships with others. And how I experienced this so I will share that with you next week. My chickens and until then I want you to think about what your life would be like if you had a practice of thought work not a perfect one but just a practice that you always came back to for the next five years in your own life. What could you change? And how could you blow your mind. This episode spoke to you. Then you need to check out the clutch because it comes with a five week South coaching course. That will walk you through exactly how to apply this life changing work to anything you experience literally anything anything. If you've ever thought well I don't know how to get started with thought work. I don't know exactly how to do. Thought work or if I'm doing it right or what order. I should do it in how I should do it. The Self Coaching Course teaches you all of that. And even if you're familiar with thought were concept's the clutch will help you. Take the work deeper. 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Music From Around The World: Episode 20

Mason Vera Paine

16:27 min | Last month

Music From Around The World: Episode 20

"Mason vera paine this music from around the world episode twenty. I may some painting on this episode. I'll be featuring music from giant sky. Olafsson karma coda and cocoa benson up. I as london based out rockers. Giant sky giant sky consists of members. john jay. Toby anna livia. The band was formed back in two thousand nineteen. Take listen to the latest track home. Nine cast stu. I just me will be on giant skies upcoming album. Not today which will be released via bloody sunset records according to giant sky. Most of the songs they wrote for not today was in lockdown and they think captures the emotions that many people were going through. This album will be available on june twenty fifth for more information about giant sky visit giant sky dot co dot uk that's giant sky dot co dot uk. Our next artists comes from stockholm. Sweden is a grammy award winning producer jacob olafsson and he's releasing music under lipson. Here's a listen to his latest. Single looks are flying Books are flying will be released on june twenty fifth via wilson's own. Imprint 1136 diamond. When it comes to this project olafsson is excited about this. Because according to him quote this music is the most transparent body of work created. Books are flying represents the beginning of a new path. I am yet to discover for information about gulliksons. Latest music other projects visit facebook dot com slash lipson music. that's facebook dot com slash l o v s o. n. music next up is san francisco based group karma koto with their latest song feels Never had the never had never never whenever you want Cool how pretending Rich richfield karma coda consists of jessica ford on vocals brett. Crockett who also produces does vocals and eric matsuno base. Their latest track feels will be on their upcoming album. Slowdown melt and catch fire. This album will be released on july second solo. Music music for more information about karma coda and the upcoming projects visit k. a. r. m. a. c. o. d. a. dot com. Our latest artists cocoa benson is from west africa and currently resides in switzerland. She worked with her husband busy. Who has produced for artists like johnson. Chris brown eyed her latest track. Majesty take a listen here. We need you be majesty. You be you me too. We month your majesty. A you you to talk about this thing romance thing. Is the thing queen. You majesty you. is be you to your go. Mom your mark. Mom omar According to cocoa the concept behind majesty was quote. I wanted to have a timeless anthem which would resonate my life through music. Not just for me for all the women around the world. We are all majesty to someone. Majesty is currently available via cocoa benson and magic fingers visit facebook dot com slash the cocoa benson for information about cocoa benson's latest projects that's facebook dot com slash t h e co ceo b. e. n. s. o. n. That's it for this edition of music from around the world and thank you for listening. Make sure you follow me on facebook. Instagram twitter for my latest content at mason vera paine and if you're a deejay producer artist feel free to email contacted mason vera paine dot com for your chance to appear on an episode of music from around the world. This has been the mason vera paine. Show thanks for listening. Conway wait more head to wgn. Radio dot com for exclusive content by mason also fuller mason on facebook and twitter at mason vera paine. That's one one and don't get to the show with your friends.

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WCW Show Intro

Best of The Steve Harvey Morning Show

05:59 min | 4 months ago

WCW Show Intro

"It's women's history month and kohl's is proud of the talented women who make a difference every day at kohl's like the women who make up their kohl's diversity design council a group that includes female designers who've developed a special product line promoting the empowerment of women but calls isn't just elevating this generation of women there elevating the next generation to kohl's invested one hundred thousand dollars in the smart girls program part of the boys and girls clubs of america to help club members navigate essence learn more at kohls dot com support. For this podcast comes from pal. Small business owner pay pal. Qr codes or the safe and easy payment option. It's all the security pay pal is known for online in person cash. Only qr codes. Allow you to accept credit or debit with everyday. Low fees no additional hardware or software needed. Use the app to generate your unique. Qr code customers scan your code with their pay pal app to pay you learn more at paypal dot com slash. Us slash get qr code. Ladies and gentlemen it is upon us. The morning time is here which means one thing. It's time to get it on getting smoking getting cracking. Get into doing. What do steve morning show. It never starts the same level the same way in the morning i refuse. Monotony brings about boredom which brings about a staleness that inhibits growth. I am forever changing. Because i am trying to grow ladies jim. Welcome to the damn steve harvey morning show on the verge of the greatest versus of all times april. Four brothers against that damn earth wind and fire surely strawberry steam column for rail. The countdown is on good morning. Junior you'll know nothing about this but was moan and i'm gonna just going to try to look and see what you do with joe nephew. Tommy that happened in the building in the building on this. Get to put pleased informative board. Please put him on top top. Yeah mansell still excited about it. You're not letting. I'm going through some changes about right now i'm debating on i mean k- say it right now. 'cause i don't wanna put no energy out there. I don't know what i'm gonna do. But i do know i'm going to some well. What about the gear. What did you wear a you going back now. Suede vest with the shingles on it swayed fake sway trae s with the indians like the shingles down the side and the moccasins was coming out in teepees. And how did you know this information. Kuzma come boy. They he'd been the concert down in cincinnati he tells you yes so when they came to richfield already knew what it was. And where did you find the outfit window. Go shopping shopping me. Oh that's right that's right. Yeah that's right to handle money for no customs. You also didn't have money for another ticket so you went alone. Ken nobody no. I'm all need address and all it's not none. No no no. You ain't way to indian outfit so you can't go and my tick. I bought the cheapest ticket day. And just wait until the show started and kept my on the floor when i saw that opening on our row six. He's down in our party right on up player dressed up in like appeal. He said what's up little man. I see i feel that. Sit in that spot all rested tonight. Yau's coming up at thirty two minutes after the hour. Sister odell is in the building right. After this you're listening to harvey morning show spring forward at banana republic back with fifty to seventy percent off everything shop season babe. It's from colorful dresses to easy. Todd's from nineteen ninety nine. Find your nearest store or shop online at banana republic factory shop fifty to seventy percent off almost everything at gap factory get sixty percents off. Select jeans and dresses shop. The sale through march twenty eighth at gap battery and gap factory dot com. So we're starting rolling. Are we already recording notes so official. Hey guys it's brian. Baumgartner maybe you've heard my podcast. An oral history of the office where we go deep into the making of the show now. Well you can go even deeper. That's what she said. Because i am sharing my full length. Conversations with the cast and crew of the office. Listen to the office. Deep dive on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Feb 12, 2020

Sword and Scale Daily

15:02 min | 1 year ago

Feb 12, 2020

"Hello and welcome back to sort in scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Wednesday February twelfth. Coming coming up on sort and scaled daily. The Hennepin County District Attorney's office announced they will not be seeking criminal charges against the officers involved in the September shooting. Death of aspiring soundcloud. Rapper Brian Keynote. In two thousand eighteen orange county couple grow show Riley. We're charged with more than seventeen. Seventeen counts related to alleged sexual assaults against multiple female victims. The New District Attorney announced he will be seeking dismissal of the charges finally in in Honolulu Hawaii Michael Walker Illicit Jackson were since for the two thousand fourteen murder of Walker's wife. Catherine all this and more coming up on SORTA or to end scale daily. ABC Five reports that on Monday. The Hennepin County. Only Minnesota District Attorney's office announced. They will not be seeking criminal charges against the officers involved in the September seventh two thousand nineteen shooting death of thirty year old Brian. Thank you known as on Saturday. September seventh Cantona's posted on his facebook page. I'm sorry and then begin a livestream himself driving radically while well listening to a rap album he had just released on soundcloud in the video he can be seen speeding making illegal turns and running a red light at around ten PM. And Dina Police Officer Squad car. SOKNA's take one of the illegal turns and signalled him to stop. Keynote has continued to drive pursued by the squad car now streaming the chase on facebook as he drove on key notice crossed into the jurisdiction of the Richfield Police Department the police car parked in front of him and his video showed him stopping his vehicle and exiting the car with a knife drawn when officers arrived. Kanaan's ran at one of them yelling. Kill Me Kill Kill me. He was taste with peyser but did not surrender. Then Kino's was shot multiple times by three officers who discharged ten shots. It's within seconds officers administered CPR. But when medics arrived at the scene they pronounced. Canine is dead. An autopsy revealed that K known as was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol when he died friends and family described key known as to the Star Tribune as a painter aspiring hip hop artists and father of one Kino's was born in Puerto Rico but lived in Minnesota since he was a child in the last decade Keno seem to be struggling to hold on to work and relationships but he hit US depression for most of the people who knew him only confiding in his immediate family members. They believe that he planned to commit suicide by COP. In the aftermath of the shooting local law enforcement came under scrutiny as citizens question whether the shooting indicated excessive use of force three officers from Richfield Police Department and two from the Dina Police Department were placed on leave pending the investigation on Monday. The Hennepin County District Attorney's he's office released the following statement quote. Our office received hours of video evidence from Richfield and he died in police squad car cameras and for Mr Keenan as personal facebook. facebook live video when Mister Cain has left his car after leading police on a chase he had a knife in his hand subsequently he threatened several officers with with the knife under Minnesota Law. It is clear that the officers use of deadly force was necessary. Proportional an objectively reasonable. Our next story takes us to Orange County California. The criminal case against thirty nine year old grant robichaud and his girlfriend. thirty-three-year-old Theresa Riley is in limbo as a judge considers the prosecution's request to dismiss the charges against the couple in September of two thousand eighteen then Orange County district attorney Tony Caucus publicly announced charges against the orthopedic surgeon and his partner related to unnamed female victims who alleged alleged that the couple pick them up in restaurants in Newport beach and then took them to their house where they were sexually assaulted while intoxicated in a press conference. Then District Attorney's office said that investigators discovered hundreds perhaps thousands of videos and images showed the couple engaging in sex with women who you quote appeared to be intoxicated to the point of unconsciousness. A few weeks later prosecutors admitted they not reviewed. The vast majority of the videos collected did from robot shows electronics. Defense attorneys. Who did view the recorded video evidence claimed they did not show any women who were unconscious or obviously intoxicated in November? The District Attorney's office responded to this by releasing a statement that quote they never said all the images were incriminating sexual in nature teacher or show incapacitated intoxication the also stated that quote. This case is not about the video evidence after the initial press conference difference. Several more women accused the couple. One of them has also filed a civil suit against Robichaud. Robot shows now facing seventeen charges including I five rape charges and Riley faces thirteen charges including free rape charges. Robichaud lost his medical license and had to move out of his home because of the harassment mint last Tuesday the new district attorney of Orange County Todd Spitzer announced that you will seek the dismissal of all charges against the couple because the investigation negation failed to turn up any evidence of the accusations. Spitzer says he believes the previous. Da Pursued the case for political reasons. It was a high profile. Oh case and he was running for reelection in a press conference Spitzer said quote. There's not a single piece of evidence or video or photo. The shows an unconscious or incapacitated woman being sexually assaulted. I didn't create the situation. But it's my responsibility to fix it former district attorney recall kiss told told. CNN that he rejects Spitzer's allegations quote. I never made a single decision or statement about the case for any political motive. Certainly every prosecutors prosecutors think long and hard before dismissing such a case where multiple women have independently come forward and subjected themselves to the hard process of baring their souls to investigators the gators after Spitzer's announcement robichaud and Riley gave an interview to Good Morning America. Where they explain they take part in the swinging lifestyle but denied preying hang on incapacitated women? They said they felt like they had just woken up from a bad dream. Meanwhile in attorney for one of the accusers told CNN quote my the client believes in her heart of hearts this. She was the victim of sexual assault on Friday. When prosecutors brought the motion to dismiss the charges in front of a judge the judge did not grant the motion immediately? He took the motion under submission and said he would rule on it by April third. He also ordered discovery to be turned over to the accusers. 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The couple were active members at the Church of Latter Day saints according to the Prosecution Walker met Jackson on a dating website in September. Two thousand fourteen and within two weeks began telling her that he wanted them to get married and the his deepest desire was to have his wife gone on but he couldn't divorce her for financial reasons. The two started planning the murder in person in emails and texts using a Code Walker. Came up with the plan was for Jackson Murder Catherine Walker went to work at the Er to establish an Alibi Walker. New Jackson was diagnosed with schizoid affective disorder. And at the time of the murder she was not taking prescribed medication because her health insurance had lapsed and was hearing voices on November Fourteenth Walker. Talk Jackson Interest House after he left for work and kill his wife. He instructed her to either break in through a window or using Hausky. He hid for her beside the house. She was to wait until he texted her a code word indicating which way to enter the home then she used the key to break into the house. got a knife from the kitchen. Climb the the stairs and stabbed Katherine Multiple Times during the sentencing hearing. It was revealed that during the attack Jackson asked Catherine if she forgave her and Catherine said she did. Jackson admitted she then waited at the crime scene for thirty minutes. and Tell Catherine died before running away Walker and Jackson and were quickly arrested on suspicion of the murder when he was first taken into questioning Walker admitted he was having an affair with Jackson and told police that she was unstable and he threatened hurt his wife he also admitted to having multiple other affairs having sex with men for money saying he was a sex addict however he denied killing doing his wife. Both Walker Jackson were charged with first degree murder and have been in custody since two thousand fourteen in two thousand fifteen Jackson accent pled guilty to first degree murder and agreed to cooperate with the cops confessing to her part and helping police decipher the code used in their messages Walker pled guilty in September number of two thousand nineteen about a week before his trial was scheduled to start. He pled guilty to second degree. Murder avoiding the possibility of a sentence of life without parole in in two thousand and sixteen when he was still awaiting trial on murder a military court found Walker guilty of prostitution and possession of child pornography in two two thousand seventeen. A military court also convicted him of sexually abusing and threatening boy following this conviction he was demoted in rank and dishonorably discharged art from the army. The sentences for these crimes are to run concurrently to the murder sentence before we go. We've even update on the murder of Bianca Devon's which was covered on sort and scale episode one forty six UTICA DOT com reports on Monday. Twenty one year old Brandon Clark. DOC pled guilty to the second degree murder of seventeen year old Bianca Devon's on July Fourteenth Two Thousand Nineteen Brandon Clark stabbed Evanston debt in Utica New York it before posting gruesome images of her body to Social Media Devon's and Clark friends but not romantically involved like some rumors suggested Clark attacked Jack Devon's in a jealous rage when the two came back from a concert together after the murder Clark tried to kill himself and posted a bloody selfie to instagram emerged merged at the hearing the court also recorded part of the murder on Monday cork addressed the court apologizing for his actions and saying Devon's quote did not deserve what happened to her he faces a maximum sentence of twenty five years to life we will continue to update you on the story as more details become available. That'll do it for today's episode of sort and scale daily. We'll see you back here tomorrow. And until then uh-huh soared end scale. 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