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Happy new year for print

Monocle 24: The Stack

28:25 min | 1 year ago

Happy new year for print

"Today. Monaco's creative director, Richard Spencer Powell gives us a sneak preview of what to expect from Monaco this year. Plus we chat with Alice Hanson from it's nice that and delve into a book about the written words of Los Angeles. That's a head today on the stack. From dory. House in London this as the stack that minutes of print industry assists with me tell my woods coming up in the program. We have Alastair Hanson from it's nice that talking about the new issue of their print magazine printed pages and author David Kippen on the book diaries and letters from LA. But I I mean welcome into the studio alongside be Finland August, shake, oh, producer of the stack. And you've been busy Fe this week. You've spoken to a number of August. So I thought we could have a little chat about what we have in store and women's views who quite often cameras actually on this program is Markle's own creative director, and let's be quite clear printer fish Nado. Richard Spencer Powell why particularly did you want to track him down? This thing reach is one of the best persons here in the office. You know to explain to us. What are the Monaco projects seems thousand eighteen and of course, tone there will be new launches if the readers think two thousand eighteen was a bit busy for Monaco. Well. Nothing yet UNC enough here and was quite exciting. Because there was some you know, when it was moving those even some publications, which I haven't heard of it, and they sing quite interesting. Specially if you like business, for example, exciting let's hear what rich had to say, he always has a trickle up his sleeve. Let's hear from him. Now, this is scripture director Richard Spencer power fake or with him a little earlier so twenty nine team we've got a lot happening charm build on what successes of last year trying some new things go some new projects I can announce which is very exciting. First thing we're doing is our March issue, which will be issue hundred twenty one so interest thirteen volumes, and it's a front special everything about France within the country also around the world's French-Speaking parts of the world. And what the French are doing out and about in the world. So that's just a special survey that within the issue as I moved on that on that country. We've done them before in the past calls for some success. So yes, it's a nice exciting. One. To kickoff the youth. And of course, you know, you plan all our Kover is. I mean, the covers lesbian is one of the most important parts magazine. Do you get a lot of feedback from readers if they either like it or not I want to know, do you have this sort of interaction of then we get some anecdotal feedback? I mean, the thing that I'm of the most important thing is issue sales and people vote with their purchasing power of the more. And we we get that feedback very very quick. So and then people after when you speak to people events and a card enough to Email people often have a favorite cover enough from me. I'm sat looking at the cover will up on the first floor here at Madari people. See me looking at it, which I don't know why they think I'm looking I'm often referencing just to see what we need to do next. What we've done in the past. But people often stop and CEO, Richard comedy. Like, can I just say this my favorite one? So yeah, it's it's interesting as a part of the month of work. It's a horrible challenge. I have to say is one I kind of love and low the measure, I like it because. It's a challenge. But it's also it's funny brief that you have to do something new, but without changing anything. So it's always a real a real tricky thing. But when you get it, right? I think I think, you know, often people kinda crowd around your desk. Oh, you catch the printer at the fresh printer and wanna see what it is. And it's knowing that good litmus test. If people kind of you know, being vocal about it. So I don't know what we're gonna do for France yet. How that will feature on the cover lots of ideas bouncing around. But we'll see which one sticks is the process different. Because of course, now, it's not only about monocle magazine. We also have you know, quite a few papers. You know, the the forecast escapist. I mean, especially the papers. I mean, how's it going think it's been going quite well any any new become like a tradition every year for Monaco to have our paper series. Well, yeah, I mean in the more we do exciting in terms of print formats, but you can't find yourself physician, which we have in the past where you got a newspaper on new stand a magazine on newsstands traditional monocle magazine. And then especially issue like a four caused an escapist or last year in thousand eighteen we launched out drinking and dining, so if you've got three separate offers out there for really you need to make sure that firstly very distinctive they're offering. And Secondly that there's no overlaps, and that's not just in the design, and the choice of ink the choice of illustrator, but also in the Kaaba lines and the stories when it's made sure that each of those things feels unique in that they each have their own appeal for the reader to want to purchase more than one of them. So, of course, at any given month, we wanna know about fairs and business and Monaco things. But hopefully, you can also take on some drinking and dining vice and and read more of a weekly newspaper is getting increase in the crowded, Monaco, new stamp, Frassoni potato, sir. Like, I say again all the challenges that they are tough. But they they're also fun and rewarding. Same will lead remain very crowded, though, the nineteen or even more crowded, it will it will exclusive. So we. We are launching another title next year, which is the fourth part of our kind of seconds series, which started the full cost and then followed on with the escapist and then off to the ammo drinking dining and win. Now going to do entrepreneurs business special which will live as a kind of once a year on new Stanford three to four months, quite bookish. Good long, read and hope an indispensable thing for people involved in business from small to large entrepreneurs people thinking about starting things up or just management. You know, how you can change your business as Joanna the first half. So that's something will start working on very soon. Miss still kind of planning and scheming. And and on top of that we will be doing more newspapers as well. We enjoyed doing some themed ones last year. We did something for slow to mobilize in. It's the end. We'll sit at a special fashion newspaper at the end of the summer. We're also looking to do more of those more specialized newspapers, which would think a nice nice to kind of dial into one set audience and. Give them something for the they can read a Farrell an event and rich besides the Monaco world. I mean, I know you're a print of sonata was well like me and are you positive for the industry in two thousand nineteen general? I think so. Yeah, I mean, I still think there's a lot of printout there. I think we saw you know. Germany's still launch new magazines France still launching new magazines. Let magazine that came out the end of this last year. I kind of interesting in nicely put together good on new stand and are nothing. We we still need to be craziest with print and believing it because I think people genuinely still still want it. And I think as long as you're making a very good product. There's no reason why we need to move on to ipads, and then he topped it. So overeat of of phones. And I think it's always been the same. I think if you if you do something, well, it will will do well, whether that's a website of radio station a piece of print. I think it's you go every chance to be successful. Richard Spencer, power Monaco's, creative director and Fernando rich. I guess like many of his colleagues in this building very upbeat optimism about the big print picture twenty nineteen exactly I mean, he as he was just mentioning to me, lots of new launches in markets like Germany fronts, but even in markets that had some difficult. The US. There are new titles. I predict a very good thousand nineteen and speaking of the US and LA we're heading electrons show, Monaco has some exciting news people may already have spotted that we've got our L A bureau space and shot up and running not a big launch in. I think around about ten days time over in California. But we'll get to allay in a moment. I other interesting and most personable creatives those behind it's nice that with their delightful daily posts, you may be familiar with. But have you seen printed pages? That's their print edition reason issues all about the bowel house one hundred years on finance. He has been busy. I really mean it invited. It's nice that senior creative Alastair Hanson for chat here Midori house. Yes. So this issue cover of this issue celebrates the centennial of the boathouse house, which is coming up in twenty nine thousand nine and we found out about that story by approaching and the designer Sasha lope, here's now poetry partner at pentagram here in. Dan and through talking to him how he could potentially collaborate on something for this issue relent about this story about that was coming up with the centennial of the house. And we thought that was such a fantastic opportunity to celebrate that institution's legacy and impact this had on the creative industries and the wider world coach, I guess as well. So we worked with him to execute this type graphic cover which uses the typeface he designed for the house archive, and he makes me want to touch his have to say because special favor here. Yeah, we made sure because it was so j I guess pared back cover, and so kind of I guess, maybe simples the wrong word, but very just very kind of minimal. We wanted to make sure the papers in the finish up -solutely as kind of as interesting as possible to really bring that to live, and you know, we should tell listeners. I'm sure many people know your brand with printed pages is the bio magazine that the group of it's nice that makes well twice a year. Tell us more about it's nice day. It went when was it found and since when you started working for the group, so it's nice that was founded back in two thousand seven officially and it came. It was a product of a university briefer around a will announce it he responded to brief that was to put something out into the world that made people feel better about themselves and his answer to that was nice that was a blog kind of. And that was in his third year of Uni and from there that grew into it is now, which is a I guess a media company that has a huge online presence following. We have our vents programs. Well, nice achieved as it happens every month here in London an hour. We have printed magazine as well printed pages. So yes, been running for about eleven years now and. It's amazing that he's came just from university. Brief so yes, interesting. It is true. You have a huge online following your website is fantastic, all your social media accounts. But it's quite interesting that you guys as well. You you still wanna make sure that you produce a magazine blood flow by annual? So what's the role of printed pages in the group is quite a special on you guys wanted to have something is important for you. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, we think it is really important. We didn't something imprint we've always I guess kind of historically, I guess as at is nice that we've understood that there is a demand for today. Something imprint and I think it it's as an online publisher predominantly. I think is a great way to have a different connection with an audience to do something that can communicate your tone as brands away from the digital screen. I think to show kind of your design sensibility editorial sensibility to ward something really allows you to kind of connect to the audience and a different way. And I guess we. That is nice. That is read by so many people who work in the creative industry as well. As people who read it just recreationally as just people who are interested in creativity. But that means that I guess a lot of people that read is nice that are reading his nice nine to five work sometimes as a source of inspiration, but sometimes legitimate destruction from what they're doing today. So I guess what we like to think that this provides our ship with something that allows them to read it's nice that in a way that outside of the working day today. No. And as I said, it is beautiful project in terms of you know, how do you sell the magazine? I mean, do you sell to certain kind of newsstands bookshops around the world or do you do mainly subscription based? I mean, how can people get hold of a copy for them? So currently we have no subscription model, but we sell into he's resell through distribution not goes of the UK and then and through the wider world as well. And we also. So theoretically to our readership online through our shop as well. I mean, you buy the magazine through the shop you get to kind of benefits, but buying it. So you'll get a beautiful poster for every she'll get sometimes screen print and for this issue is going to be if graphic print by the talk for can he can you'll get five postcards and stick as a real celebration of print, and it said added benefit to buy directly from us and in terms of content. I mean, how different is printed pages to to the website, for example. Or is it that different? Well, it it really is. It's not that different. It's all because it is a companion of the best of its nice content. So essentially what you're seeing in the has already been online. But it's a way for us to bring that together every six months and celebrate the best of what we've done a not. So pretty hard task when you published so many articles online every day. So actually edit us stuff down. But yeah is very much related to online. It is true annoy. But that's sometimes the. Move online because if you missed like one or two days can can get lost in this kind of in the massive web. But then when you have a magazine a beautiful product as well in your role. I mean, you kind of you take care of the design of of the whole title Injia overall. Right. Yeah. I what with a designer Gianni he joins his ever about five or six weeks every six months to with his on the design, and I would say he touches pretty much every page now. But I have see the design with him and very much involved in the creative commissioning side of producing the publication as well. I mean, we'll have a team of writers at work on that too. So it's kind of. Yeah. More all encompassing roller looking at the commissioning as well as the design of the Maxine. And and you told me you guys have a nice officer. They're looking at the Regent's canal, though, that's a good way to to get some inspiration presume, definitely people that place. I guess that people like to visit to nice for us. We got some interesting people coming through the door. And I listened question that I like to us. All our stack guests, I mean terms of order type of media. Maybe let's focus on print media. Which media? Do you read like when you're date today or allegedly read in the weekend? Good question. I guess that really changes big changes so much. I mean. So in terms of magazines so much outlet. Now, it's such an exciting time for independent publishing as at the stock awards your namesake's awards last week and just to see the amount of publications surge of such high quality, just amazing, but I try and read as many Independence's icon, and I tried to see a breadth of those by month just by going down to a bookshop and his looking through the the stands in front to buy something new by always returned to several titles. I always look at people that I guess our in our world as well from crates review. Also, a love the always loved parliamentary just as kind of publication that has incredible consistency and high quality aditorial and three to kind of in the fashion kind of magazine world, I'll kind of read everything from fantastic man through to flame Zine as well. So really try and get a broad range of of titles kind of intimate bookshelf as much as I come. Well, let's make listeners more curious about the latest issue. That have hearing front of me. So besides, you know, the Bahamas passu which feature perhaps you like to mention from the title that that you enjoy. There are many I knows it's difficult question. Let me have a flick through. I think there's there's one feature in particular that immediately comes to mind, which is a piece by the talk fishery Hamza and written by one of our editorial team Lucy and its first graphic series, documenting America's young gun enthusiasts. And it's a really incredible story that kind of like shines a kind of an interesting perspective on that world of kind of good coach in America. Live the pictures as striking received striking imagery. We also have an incredible piece on lakes Prego as well. He's fiery admire and then to kind of look at something completely different to that. We've also for this issue works with Tracy mall on a piece about her practice. She's kind of well known for working on the design of Bloomberg BusinessWeek in the past. And she's not New York. Times. I mean, actually handed over around ten pages of the magazine to her for this issue, and she was able to design that piece herself in her style. So we really enjoy bringing the people into the price of the magazine as well. Sometimes that's photographer sometimes straight is. But this time it's been fantastic to bring in a designer to work on ten pages of the magazine to well. It's a beautiful products and just out of curiosity in terms. Do you guys do much advertising, for example, see here the by Kover pose me, but it doesn't seem to have many advertising side, but that's your conscious decision resume. Yeah. I guess we have a consistent approach to advertising, and we have valued advertisers that have ties with is almost every she Paul Smith being one of those advertises, and he's been a great supporter of it's nice that over the years, and and and has always advertised on the back of printed pages and reg have a very nice process with him because we take an image from his Instagram feed for every she. And placed on the back of the magazine. So it feels quite unique to special. You're listening to the stack here on Monaco twenty four Tom Edwards and Netto check. Oh here in studio. One fe. I mentioned it briefly we are off to Los Angeles in just a moment here. But a brilliant book looks at one aspect of the city. Let's talk about Los Angeles and Monaco are new space open there. Just at the end of last year. We got a big event coming up soon to really sort of announce the moment Tyler is always been point out that not only does this. Give us an interesting news footprint, also exciting. And but it gives us another radio touch point. We should be hearing much more from the west coast on the airwaves in the coming weeks. And we hope certainly they're not extends to print as well. And there's so much happening. You know, coach release the art world. It's interesting. Our next guest, David keep an even joked because they're mentioned over actually we have shopped knowing allay and bureaus, and he was like, oh, I could feel that because you had a lot. Of guests bays here in California. And I think that's a great thing. So it was a sign that we were ready to move there, as you know, I love I love was there less November. Yeah. I think if you're live there in the west coast expect maybe should pay a visit again to listen stone. I want to be convinced about you'll notice that listeners phase angling to get. Shortly. But as he also mentioned he did speak with David Kippen. He's written this book called de Las Angeles the city in diaries and letters fifteen forty two to twenty eighteen let's a little bit more of what David was telling NANDA all about. I know there's a wonderful book called a London year that I have on my shelf right by my bed, and it takes a similar approach meaning going through a calendar year rather than starting centuries ago and coming right up to the present going day by day date by date. And yeah, it was something I wanted to replicate for my city city. I love I made one alteration which was because London has this very unsporting headstart on Los Angeles by several centuries. I thought if I was ever going to keep up I had to incorporate letters and that gave me the title, dear, Los Angeles. It gave me kind of methodology and sent me spunk into libraries and bookstores and archives, and I've only just swung back up to the light again. I mean, you did mention to London book, but LA is well, David. And of course, you know, that has some sort of a traction. I mean, I think the world, you know, have this image, of course, mainly because of Hollywood they have this kind of curiosity and fascination towards the city, don't you think I do? I mean, it's weird to grow up in a place that other places tend to regard from far with fascination because I took LA completely for granted. When I was a little kid. It wasn't in fact until I went away to college and realized that I missed something without even understanding precisely what it was that I became fascinated from afar, and then came home after graduation, and and just immersed myself in the place and grew more and more besotted, not starry eyed by any means a lot of awful things happened here. And what are the main the kind of a few of the common themes from those diaries and letters, for example, as potent quite a few talking about the winter. In the way, you know, the the weather here has drawn people for so long that you know, there were fewer other inducements to come here. Besides it when people I started writing about it as the weather has drawn people they've done interesting things. And now, I think it's if not the least of our attractions, at least one that's easier to put aside and gravitate toward the more, cultural achievements, and monstrosities and fascination, and what is the most? I mean as the book is from fifteen forty two two thousand eighteen what sexually the most recent entry from the book. The most recent entries by a young woman named Julia Campbell. I teach writing at UCLA, and rather shamelessly my first assignment from quarter to quarter tends to be asking my students to keep a diary. I was very determined that the last date on the cover of my book be twenty eighteen and not something. Before it because I didn't want it to be out of date before it was even published and so she wrote a wonderful entry about going to downtown Los Angeles and participating in the women's March shortly after the twenty sixteen election, and I was only to thrill to put it in. I think she was kind of tickled and flattered to and so that makes my book up to the minute. Until until twenty nineteen alas when I dunno. We're gonna have to start thinking about the next addition and the type of people have been boo coming from Marilyn Monroe to renew drag. And it's it's just is just an incredible amount of people were some of those entries quite hard to find. You know, that that perhaps they're very well known to the public in a way, I'm curious more about this kind of how you did all this research. Well, you know, a lot of the English voices in the book, you know, by whom I'm I'm completely blown away. You know are easier to find, you know, even was letters and diaries are already published. But then there are, you know, in so many others a guy named Eric. Knight was an Englishman who nobody talks about anymore. And it's only the obscures the publishers that came out with his letters. He was the Yorkshireman who came to southern California to work in the movies with the highest hopes in the nineteen thirties within six months, he practically had a nervous breakdown. On the industry had so broken, his heart. So we moves over the Santa Monica over the Santa Monica mountains to the San Fernando Valley, which at that point is purely agricultual starts farming alfalfa and gradually puts his shattered psyche back together and takes in this dog this Kali and together they get him into sufficient shape to start writing again. What is he right? He writes Lassie a book that people think is based on some Cali. He must have known in his childhood in Yorkshire. But in fact, is about his dear companion from southern California. So yeah, that kind of stuff you gotta dig a little deeper for than you do for for example, Christopher Isherwood an Englishman who took up residence here, if not well happily, but also occasionally dispassionately for decades and decades when you're going to date your books, you know, to include those in nineteen thousand twenty or something like that. Do you fear? The no perhaps, you know, dental using lettuce anymore. Diaries defend could be a bit harder. Extra to find those incredible kind of quotes in documents of oh to see team. Well, on the one hand, I really don't care about what format what platform a personal ephemeral piece of writing arrives him. I mean, there are a couple of tweets in the book one of them from the actor Ryan Reynolds, that's quite hysterically funny. But I do worry about the loss of written ephemera diaries letters in their original form. And in fact, I'm hoping to start a project, dear Los Angeles project that would collect and preserve at least electronially digitally some of these things that will otherwise surely wind up in a dumpster and then a land fill I do worry about that. But I mean, I certainly use electric means of communication as long as people have a little time to think at the end of the day, then they will be confiding their thoughts and feelings to paper, and I'll have material I hope for additions that will be available around the world even. In the UK where I gather at least for the time being people may have to send away by by Amazon in order to get hands on my book. You're a critic for quite a few publications there. Lasagna's not to tell us more about your job besides writing, you know, this fantastic book that having hands. No, I am what's called a critic at large the Los Angeles Times, which means they don't have to pay me health insurance. But I do get to kick in essays and reviews fairly often. I write micro reviews for Los Angeles magazine because reviews aren't exactly front page material. But I also I run a lending library in just east of downtown Los Angeles in an old them suburb. Now Bario call oil heights used to be very Jewish neighborhood. And in fact, I had family there once upon a time now, it's almost completely Mexican American. And so called it Libro Schmit Bros. And in addition to teaching at UCLA in addition to my reviewing as. And editing and writing the occasional book my pride and joy is is putting books into people's hands. In this lovely out of the way neighborhood, David author of data Sanja, the city in diaries and letters and finance Amana off to the stanks own heart. You know, we're hearing libraries LA times venerable Taito we won't be saying David again. One imagines with all new Elliott post Ebsworth to- David the next time opener line. So as I mentioned Elliott do come and say at a Cova city by s- in Los Angeles. What you're short of a warm, welcome. Even if myself financial physically there, some of lovely friends will be to say Hello do come and say Hello, just one of the exciting things happening later this year two thousand nineteen promises a great deal Nando. But that's what we have full on this program. Thanks to federal Nando. You can contact him f p monocle common Fe, we should say. You're always delighted to receive emails whether they're about news venue, title suggestions. Frankly, even if they're a little angry he likes to have a bit of a back and forth. The Email me too, harsh too harsh. But right hand. But right hand. Dot com. Listening enjoying twenty nine hundred psi fall, Tony a few days old to which point what we have from the ever wonderful Abba with happy new year. This is talk on sex.

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The Changing Landscape of Domestic Terrorism, With Bruce Hoffman

The President's Inbox

31:48 min | Last month

The Changing Landscape of Domestic Terrorism, With Bruce Hoffman

"Welcome to the president's Inbox is see if our podcast about foreign policy challenges facing states I'm Jim Lindsey Director Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. This week's topic is domestic terrorism. With me to discuss the changing landscape of domestic terror groups. Is Bruce Hoffman Bruce's shelby cullom in Kathryn, W Davis Senior Fellow for counterterrorism and homeland. Security at CEA four is also a professor at Georgetown University's Edmund Awol. School of Foreign Service where for many years he directed the Center for Security Studies as well as security studies program Bruce's a visiting professor of terrorism studies at the University of Saint Andrews in Scotland as well. His most recent book is inside terrorism Bruce. Bruce, thanks for being here. I'm delighted I hope all is well with you in these unusual times as well as convey okay well, let's get right to the topic. You and I have been corresponding via email in the wake of the protested broken across the country after the killing of George Floyd because there have been a number of allegations that Wendy's largely peaceful protests turned violent. It has been the result of organized agitators and I will note that a lot of the. The. Criticism coming from the trump administration has blamed a group known as in Thika for the violence on FBI Director. Christopher Ray said, let me quote him here. The violences result of anarchists like teeth and other agitators. Attorney General Bar has claimed evidence that Antigua in other schimmel extremist groups have been responsible for the violence. A note that president. Trump tweeted saying that the seventy-five-year-old protester with the head wound in buffalo could be an mtpa provocateur would I would like to do. Do is sort of examine these charges I. Perhaps you could tell us what is ANTIFA. ANTIFA stands basically for Antifascism, and it is a movement that consciously emulates the Anti. Fascist groups that fought street battles in Weimar Germany before Hitler's rise to power in Italy after Mussolini, and the fascist took over, and then resurfaced in Europe in the nineteen sixties I came to the United States decade, or more laid, or certainly by the nineteen eighties, and it was then called Anti Racist. And was a group of individuals that would go out and confront neo-nazis skinheads Ku Klux Klan and others in violent confrontations I mean street brawls in essence or demonstrations on both sides that on occasion, degenerated into riots where Antifa really became known in the United States was in the events surrounding president trump's inauguration in January, twenty seventeen, when there were instances of vandalism smashing of plate glass windows downtown. Washington DC, some cars and SUV's were set afire the then spokesman of the. The all right Richard Spencer was punched in the face by someone claiming to be from Antifa and that was where they really surfaced again during the summer of twenty seventeen, which was a very tense summer, there were demonstrations of course by neo. Nazis in Charlottesville and also another demonstration in Berkeley, both of which degenerated into some brawling and street, fighting, and of course in Charlottesville Neo Nazi killed a demonstrator, heather higher there. She did not have anything to do with ANTIFA his. His name became associated with those incidents, but it's a misnomer I. Think to call it a terrorist group or organization, because it is an organization, it isn't a group well. What's the difference between a movement in an organization? Well an organization at least has we've traditionally looked. Terrorist ones has some command and control and identified leader. Some means of communication planning and plotting attacks and Tika is a much more amorphous malleable type of entity. It communicates with one another. There's no. No headquarters to identify there's no leaders to arrest or take down. There's no financial flows that we can interdict. I mean all the tools that we've used so successfully against groups like al Qaeda or Isis in recent years, don't apply to something that is not really at all hierarchical, and is very loosely inflexibly organized an quite linear fashion. This in a have a website, a newspaper a podcast. TV show. I mean I, I. I'm trying to understand how this group works. Works to the extent. It's supposed to a movement in terms of contact with one another to show up in into meet the Neo Nazis in the right wing groups. It's the archetypal grassroots organization. It communicates on Computer Bulletin Boards on chat rooms on encrypted APPS for example it exchanges information on when demonstrations or protests will be especially when neo-nazis are white, supremacists or extremists of the far are going to organize to confront them. There has been one significant terrorist incidents connected to. To Antifa, where somewhat elderly individual named will events Ronson in Tacoma Washington, in July, twenty, eighteen, attacked an ice, immigration and customs. Enforcement Facility attempt to firebomb it a he himself was killed in the operation. That's the only clear terrorist incident in any way connected with, but certainly acts of vandalism acts of arson. Streetfighting is much more their modus operandi now does mtpa were particular uniform, typically thing to signal who they are. If you were to go to a protest whether? Whether here in DC, Atlanta anywhere else. Is there some sort of thinness as all that person's with Antifa not necessarily or specifically and Tif? There are individuals and some I know from Iowa this is war seen in Washington DC around Lafayette Park a couple of weeks ago during those events. That style himselves is the black block and that is. They dressed completely in black that we're black. Bala cloths to conceal their facial features. That will not carry identification so if they're arrested. arrested. It's very difficult to identify them. And they're the ones that are kind of the point of the spear. The action oriented ones whether one can say that they're in for or not is I think very difficult to determine and our kissed or anarchism becomes a catchall phrase that knits these people together, but again the idea that there's any kind of central command or any kind of orchestrated instructions I think has been very difficult to ascertain if if not impossible because. Because, it may not exist. Let's talk about the role of Antique. If there was a role in the violence, we've seen at some of the protests around the country. Obviously as I mentioned a moment ago, senior administration officials have made those allegations. I also note that at least early on in Minneapolis in Saint Paul City officials were talking about how much of the violence and people have been arrested. Come from other areas in come to be agitators now that we're sort of. Of a little bit removed from that. Do we have a sense of degree to which in Tif? Fo was involved in the protest. We've been seeing the United States no, not really. The FBI's Washington field office has said that they haven't yet brought into custody at least mine ultra less time they they issued a statement a few weeks ago. Anyone who they could definitively identified as a member of Antifa at many of these protests, the individuals being arrested the vast majority of. Of them have been in state or local and other words. It's not individuals crossing state lines to agitate or to engage in rioting, which is a federal offense. There's been a very small percentage about state people, but again from the open source news reports I haven't seen anything that puts a label of Antiga on them. I'll just not that one thing I was reading recently suggested that the vast majority of people who have been arrested in protests around the country have been. been arrested for relatively minor infraction like violating curfews, obstructing roadways carrying open container when they're not supposed to as opposed to engaging in violent activities or another Arken I've heard, which is that while mtpa affiliated individuals may not have been active in many of these protests, right wing groups have been involved or have been posing as in sympathize in order to encourage violence any sort of sense about that, Bruce well I think the most serious incident of violence, fortunately, which was. was averted, but which arrests were made for involved three individuals who were arrested in Las Vegas at the beginning of June, they were plotting to stage Molotov cocktail attacks at a black lives matter protests as almost a false flag type of operation, or almost to encourage greater violence in greater disorder, and these three people were arrested. They have been charged under indictment two of the three war part of this facebook community. That facebook is actually since taken down, but it was A. A facebook community, advocating what is known as the Gulu which is code for violent far-right extremists for the second civil war or of engendering profound disorder and anarchy in the United States, so that they can emerge to take over from it in the run-up to the black lives matter protests. After George Floyd was killed specifically around the covid nineteen pandemic, there were some one hundred and twenty five different facebook groups, sixty percent of which appeared from February that were encouraging their followers. Followers to liberate state capitals much as the president called for sometimes not necessarily use violence to bring weapons. Certainly, we saw some of this in Michigan. Of course mission, Lansing state legislature precisely did not meet because of individuals answering the skull who showed up with assault weapons and combat fatigues and bulletproof vests, and so on so as a result of the cove, nineteen pandemic, there was already momentum for individuals to engage in promote in anarchy, and then the killing of George Floyd. Floyd in the widespread protests we've seen across. The United States was very widely seized upon and encouraged over variety of social media for these individuals to also join in many cases. They wore Hawaiian shirts. Because Boo glue has now become a phrase that has attracted the attention of law enforcement in the authorities they use all sorts of code words like big IGLOO or big Luau. Okay slow you down there. You have to explain to me first off. Why Hawaiian shirts in. It come from them. We'll get to the big eagle, or whatever the other phrases where you used well Google has just become a catchphrase. Almos- code for Communicating on social media, particular, four, sparking second civil war or creating the widespread anarchy and disorder that it's at Harris believable, overthrow the current United States government and replace it with a more authoritarian regime. I suppose in the strange times that we live in the extreme far left in the extreme far-right of almost come together that they both see this as a purpose, you have extreme libertarians and extreme. Extreme adequate were both are talking about taking down the system and attempting to rally individuals to engage in acts of disorder that will facilitate that Google refers to some songs to a movie and a video game from some years ago that the parents to it have either seen or listen to her played with, and then because Bugaku has become now more known as not just this secret clandestine code word I mean NPR did a story about it. In fact in early January that is becoming code for a new civil war. They've adopted other names. Names so that they can remain on social media, so one of them is big, Lou. which sounds kind of like Google and when you see people wearing shirts of protests, they are at least I mean. It may be a sartorial choice, but it also could be a political affinity or an ideological affinity. Then is big. Luau became more common as we saw photographs in newspapers for instance individuals with masks, but wearing Hawaiian shirts to protest, they began to use other means such as big IGLOO, which sounds sort of similar, and this is all to. To defeat or defy attempts by social media to other sensor them or remove them from their sites or to frustrate law enforcement attempts to track them now Bruce and we talk about boo, glue, or big Lou or Biglou our whatever the term is at the current moment. Are we talking about in organization, or is this similar to interior early talking about a movements of the more morpheus? Go Return Address exactly right? We're talking about something just like antiques when we say Boo Golo without a hierarchy or a leadership without a command and control without. Were talking about. Uh, phrase that in many cases unites fairly disparate viewpoints. Persons zealously committed to Second Amendment Rights. For example, people are opposed to taxes people who are opposed to government interference in terms of ordering us to wear face masks for example arch libertarians also, there is some crossover with white supremacists white nationalist with Neo Nazis with others who are attempting to harness some of these antigovernment sentiments for their own purposes, but yes, exactly right I mean bigalow at antiques both talking about completely amorphous non organizational entities. Tell me a little more about the ties. Ties between the sort of Amorphous Blue Movement and existing organizations I. Mean there is a a real neo? Nazi organization in this country that puts together events. Call them that has leaders. You mentioned Richard Spencer before part of the White Supremacist. Movement, so, what are these connections? It's interesting for you know for the past two decades or so. We've been completely consumed with terrorism from violent Islamist elements from al-Qaeda or Isis or indeed the person's. They've been able to inspire carry out lone actor attacks in the United States, and we often forget that there's A. A very long history of terrorism in the United States I mean going back to the mid nineteenth century with the Ku Klux Klan of course, anti immigrant violence, which was quite common in the United States against the Irish Chinese Jewish emigrants throughout the latter part of the nineteenth century revival of the Ku Klux Klan of the nineteen twenties, and then from the nineteen sixties to the mid nineteen eighties. Let's say we had considerable instances of both left and right wing terrorism, probably at that period more left wing terrorism from the weather underground for example but we. We did see in the nineteen eighties, the rise of a variety of far-right violent extremists organizations. What we're seeing now is just a resurfacing of this at particularly contentious tops. I mean. Certainly there's been what I would call left-wing terrorism for example in June twenty, seventeen and individual profess to be a supporter of Senator Bernie Sanders, a tactic, Congressional baseball practice that Republican members of Congress were engaged in an Alexandria us seriously wounded six individuals, including the House Minority Whip Steve Scalise I already described that incident with Mr, Swanson when he attacked an ice facility, but But overwhelmingly the violence were seen in recent years is coming from the extreme far right? Neo Nazis White Supremacists, light nativist, and so on according to the anti-defamation League which is a non-governmental group that tracks this. I mean bear in mind. There's no domestic terrorism statute in US law, so the FBI really doesn't collect statistics on what we call domestic terrorism. Often, that's people have proposed legislation that would fix that shift to go rely on authoritative non-governmental sources, so according to the ad, l. between two thousand and nine and twenty nineteen seventy six percent of all. All the killings of individuals foreign thirty five deaths in the United States from quote unquote, domestic terrorism were perpetrated by the violent far-right left wing terrorist accounted for only three percent, twenty percent wore those individuals I just spoke of who were inspired or motivated by either that or ice. What we see over the past decade, there has been an upsurge of terrorism from violent right extremist elements and twenty, nine, thousand nine. It was even more starkly depicted I would say that year there were forty two deaths eighty one percent from white supremacist, but five percent more. More were from antigovernment extremists. This is how the anti-defamation league categorizes them an additional five percent or by other violent far-right groups, so that's say about ninety percent of all the terrorist incidents that claims someone's life in the United States in two thousand nineteen can be laid at violent far-right extremists, and are these Langley mainly lone wolf individual attack somebody's radicalized or angry, or has mental issues in striking, or are we seeing coordinated attacks tied to some particular organization, both I would say that for all terrorists everywhere Isis has had an enormously powerful influence in that. That the lone wolf for the loan act or not even using an assault weapon. Let's say and we've seen rows. Of course. The tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania at a synagogue in Pow Way California at the Walmart store and I'll Passo a last August. I mean we've seen people use assault weapons. We also see individuals using vehicles ramming attacks. There was just one last week in Richmond Virginia by a local Ku. Klux Klan leader against the black lives matter stem instructions so much like Isis resorted to people using weapons, but also using just. Day To day implements that we use like cars to ramp people. We've seen that on the violent far right, and of course, the killing of heather higher, Charlottesville August twenty seventeen is another example, but just in the past few months we've seen an individual who was killed a shootout with the FBI and Missouri who was planning to bomb a hospital on Kansas City, treating covid nineteen patients, claiming that this was the covid nineteen pandemic was all a conspiracy by the united. States government to a road. Our civil rights in April and individual plant, a firebomb at a Jewish assisted living facility in Massachusetts so there we have individuals, but then back January at. At the end of the month been a big pro second. Amendment demonstration plan in Richmond Virginia and a group of very shadowy far-right violent group called the base whose leader is situated in Saint. Petersburg as an American citizen Saint. Petersburg in Russia isn't Russia yes. Short Russia yeah exactly to Florida as opposed to Florida. These individuals were arrested in Baltimore three of them, planning an attack on this gun rally again this excel as they call it the acceleration philosophy, another words piggybacking on a contentious issue that is brought individuals exercising the civil rights to protest and demonstrate state their views on the streets, but then seeking to use violence catalyst to create. Create disorder and those three were arrested by the FBI at the end of January is that they were part of an organized group Bruce Are we seeing any evidence that foreign powers are playing in these waters to sow division in the United States to create trouble, or is this merely individuals acting without any sort of encouragement or support from state actors? The foreign influence is clearly playing a role much as it had for instance in the two thousand sixteen presidential election where you have troll farms and bots that are sometimes assuming ANTIFA underscore us for example sending out messages, encouraging violence and it turned out that that was not four and. And that was actually a domestic extreme Reich group, but those types of troll farms and bots, or also churning the waters I think the authorities now are trying to investigate the pedigree, but certainly there's been indications hints that others not just just Russia either but Russia China Iran for example or pumping out information both muddy the waters, and stir the pot, and undermine the United States on the more so as social media in the ability to communicate widely, but also anonymously sort of fundamentally changed the nature of the threat posed by domestic terrorists. Absolutely ten years ago. I mean these would have been lone individuals sitting in a basement somewhere trying to. To connect perhaps over the Internet and succeeded in doing cell, but in a rather piecemeal and less pervasive real time way today, especially encrypted social media APPs enable this type of exchange of information, this type of a better term radicalization where you can go from being a nobody sitting on your sofa in the basement to now be an activist, and even more than an activist radical, and even a foot soldier, serving this cause having been persuaded that violence is the only answer yet. We've been talking to this point about terrorism that is explicitly linked to a political agenda weather in left or right, but you've written recently, but a different kind of. Of Terrorism that we'd be face so called in-cell terrorism. You talk a little bit about that. What drew me to in tires? And this is a very small subset of Agana, very amorphous movements in cells involuntary celebrates mostly males, but not exclusively who, over the past six years or so have perpetrated only a handful fewer than a dozen violent acts, but on average they've killed eight or nine people, which is not inconsequential and approaches a school shooting level, and what first drew me to the study of this phenomenon was because the violent extreme fringe of the in cells that are advocating violence to my mind conformed exactly what we've been talking about. About to Antifa the black block or anarchists or to the Boob, lunar violent, four right extremists in other words, no organization, no leader, no hierarchy, but a steady stream of encouragement incitement over social media, goading people to violence, and what we've seen most recently for instance in Canada there was the there was an attack another in the United Kingdom just in the past few months is individuals carrying out acts of violence in many cases, but not in all cases against women who they see as an enemy to exact revenge, because they had been somehow ignored or dismissed by women, but they killed males as well. They basically engage in violence is almost. Almost, Cathartic, act and then site this ideology, such as it is or sight, this common agreement that there forever going to be excluded, and their only option is to use violence to demonstrate what they see this horrible inequity in society that these young men cannot find sexual partners, so is this ign- agendaless movement into just rage that is being unleashed because the Internet allows people who are similarly enraged, feel disenchanted to act I mean. How do you think about this? Will again I think it's? It's in many respects. A product of social media's that these would be isolated individuals who would find it difficult to connect with like minded peers who then? Basically this endless echo chamber that complaints in the complaints give rise to wanting to take action, and the action is justified as violence striking out society I mean in many respects. This isn't new. This is exactly what France fan on the psychiatrist who wrote one of the most important texts I think on terrorism, generally the wretched of the earth, which was about how a person of color a Muslim in Algeria felt that violence was. Was a striking a self-satisfied blow against an oppressor and against a system that was French colonialism was inherently subjugating and this sort of mentality gains, increased currency and gathers momentum that everything we've talked about today. It plays into. It's the Catharsis violence that all of a sudden your own frustrations, being given an altruistic veneer that you can strike out. You can also be a vanguard. You can be a champion of whomever you consider your. Your like minded peers or your constituency to be, and unfortunately we see that involves either in a place like the United States. We get firearms or United to resort to firearms, machetes, knives, or even vehicles have been used to attack people in some cases to kill. So how should government go about trying to defuse? Prevent mitigate these sort of attacks. We talked earlier that the nature of these more morpheus groups create challenges for the. The government, because the variety of techniques, we developed in the wake of September eleventh to track money and things like that. Don't actually apply here, and you have this morpheus grouping new communication suing scripted. APPS and we can say that right now. None of these attack says produced death on the scale. We saw September eleventh, but then again before September eleventh knowing intimidated that a terrorist group would be able to produce that much. For essentially relatively small investment, if I can put it in those terms so I don't want to downplay what these groups may be capable of. But how does the government intelligently think about how to deal with this challenge I think it's more challenging now than ever. Because, of course we all want to believe that we've turned a corner in the war on terrorism I mean we've been told repeatedly from the president and others that Al Qaeda is defeated Secretary of state. State very recently issued a statement that effect that the threat from Isis receded, and there is very much an inclination to say that we've won the war on terror to go back to business as usual, I think what the covid nineteen pandemic, and now the the tragic killing of George Floyd. Showing us, is that business as usual? Just it's going to take some time to ever get back to an unfortunately there elements in our society and societies elsewhere that are. Are committed to deepening the divisions and polarization that already exists so I think first and foremost that law enforcement and intelligence half to understand that actually the way we've studied terrorism for several decades now is becoming outmoded. We can't just look at organizations and groups in a hierarchical leadership because they don't exist, and that's what we've been so effective in neutralizing, so we have to understand the dynamics of these new movements, and indeed the role that social media plays I. I think that a lot of this entails a shift in our intelligence capabilities. Until recently the National Counterterrorism Center the NC. TC was focused almost exclusively on external threats. It is now turning very quietly to studying internal wants not least because the distinction between domestic and international terrorism's eroding I talked earlier about this group. The base that's active in the united. States is an American citizen who its leader based in Saint, Petersburg Russia. This is not at all uncommon whichever. Whichever the group's army. Antique is also an international movement as well I mean. None of this is domestic in cells as well as becoming more international, so I think it's understanding the dynamics understanding the role of social media in this, but also it gets out to some of the issues that are being discussed now with respect to how we channel the money for law enforcement, and for securing society I mean in some cases, there are interventions where that mental health. Health professionals can provide in some instances some where education would be very important, but I think the key is to realize that you know. Terrorism is a perennial threat. It's one that constantly involves changes in presents, even new adversaries that we add in fought of just a few years ago and why we can't relax our vigilance in why those responsible for protecting us whether in the intelligence, community and law enforcement have access to the best information have to be knowledgeable. Knowledgeable of this range of threats, and in fact, they're differences at how much more challenging they are when there isn't a hierarchy to target, or there isn't a financial flow, or there isn't a leader to take down so I. Know You have a lot of conversations. Bruce people who work on terrorism issues in the US government. When you make this case to them, they have got to think about things differently. What do you hear back from them I would say? Say before the tree of life synagogue tragedy in Pittsburgh in two thousand eighteen, this was pretty much off off the map, although that said exactly three weeks before the White House and the National Security Council had issued their latest iteration of the National Strategy for counterterrorism, which very commendably was ahead of the curve, pointed not just a threats from AL, Qaeda, or Isis or Iran, but threats from violent far right extremists threats from violent four left anarchist for example to. To emerging threats from group single issue groups, they call them like in sales, so they were already on top of this, and we've seen much more of a shift over the past two years, and that shift is sort I would argue being accelerated in the past year, given the series of events in California and Texas in particular, but also as a result I think of a lot of the upheaval that we've seen in recent weeks. How do you reach beyond the? The federal government to police forces around the country I mean the remarkable thing about the United States. Is We not only have a lot of police? We have a lot of police forces in this country federalism see a federal authorities you state authorities local authorities officing this decentralized movement I would imagine if you want to succeed in stopping an attack, you're going to want people at the city in town level being aware of these things, but I would imagine it's. It's very hard to get that message out to them. Well, that's certainly true I think as I, said it's been changing as the violence has risen, but I think people in the last few weeks of come to understand that terrorism doesn't occur vacuum. Terrorism feeds off, and deliberately tries to exploit or opportunistically manipulate deep fissures, deep divisions within society, and to further that polarization, and they see how groups are seizing upon the Covid nineteen pandemic. The George Floyd killing for. For their own purposes, and to drive their own agendas, so that's why I said a moment ago. I think that that in and of itself has resulted in a huge change. Because we're realizing that all terrorism in essence is local, I would argue that in many respects many a local law enforcement, and certainly the FBI have been on top of these trends over the past few years, but isolated pockets where they've arisen. It's become almost like the covid nineteen pandemic. Pandemic until it affects, may not GonNa pay much attention, and then of course all that changed in March I think there's going to be a similar change now. Because police forces will understand that these are universal movements, they're not confined to any one part of the country. For instance, the guys I mentioned earlier arrested from the base, where not stereotypically in the deep south or in the world, parts of the rocky mountains I mean there are in Baltimore so disagree. Disagree that it's something that isn't confined to any one part of the country in that it's as much of a challenge is the pandemic and as actual health issues are so I think that there's now a greater awareness, not least because they see. How very local First Amendment demonstrations or protests or vigils can be or at least that these more militant extremist groups are definitely attempting to hijack them, and therefore police have to be more aware of all the dimensions. Dimensions of the threat of the modus operandi can see something that's just on the local courthouse. Steps of small town can be hijacked, manipulated or exploited by other elements on that note of close up the presence inbox for this week. I guess has been Bruce Hoffman the shelby cullom in Kathryn W Davis senior fellow for counter. Terrorism Homeland Security at CEA foreign the author inside terrorism Bruce Thank you for joining me. You're very welcome to thank you for having me. Me Please subscribe to the president's inbox and apple podcast spotify wherever you listen and leverage your view they help get noticed, improved the show as always opinions, expressing the presence Inbox, or solely those of the host or guests, none of see afar, which takes no institutional positions. Today's episode was produced by. Zoe calls from senior producer. Jeremy Sherlock silly also doubled as a recording engineer. Thank you so special. Thanks to Margaret Gach for her assistance. This is Jim. 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Samanthas Journey into the Alt-Right, and Back

The New Yorker Radio Hour

39:51 min | 9 months ago

Samanthas Journey into the Alt-Right, and Back

"From One World Trade Center in Manhattan this is the New Yorker Radio hour a co-production WNYC studios and the New Yorker Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Ramnik around the time that Donald Trump was elected president our staff writer Andrew Marantz took on a new beat. He's been covering the right wing extremism that's burgeoning on the Internet the old right it's a movement that embraces white supremacy misogyny homophobia conspiracy theories anti Semitism Islamaphobia. You name it take our country back. We're we're going to fulfil the promises. DONALD TRUMP I mean. We have people who've been here for hundreds of years. People have African heritage who have not fully assimilated into the American society or or else from Hell. Hail are people hail victory. The rise of the alt-right is the subject of Andhra Miranda's new book antisocial online extremists. Techno Utopians the hijacking of the American conversation and one of the things he's tried to understand is how people get radicalized into joining winning these hate groups. How does it happen? and to whom here's Andrew Marantz. It took me a few years of reporting on these groups in this whole sub culture. Before I I really felt like I understood that and one person who's really helped clarify a lot of that for me was This young woman whose first name is Samantha. We've been talking for a couple of years. Probably we've had hundreds of hours of conversations at this point and her story has completely changed the way I think about these movements and who gets drawn into them and Y so recently Rian Corby who's a producer for the New Yorker Radio Hour traveled a few hours hours away from New York. We're not going to say exactly where and met Sam at the house where she's staying with family right now. Are you saying good. I was at Halloween and it was just like an incredibly blustery St Grey Day and I drive up and she's just like sitting outside her porch chain smoking cigarettes I think she was anxious. She was is really anxious to to talk. It is hard to talk to people and I get out. It's seemingly impossible but you know yeah you're afraid you're afraid to you. Spend all your time in there believing that you're right and that you see the truth and everyone else's missing it and then when you get out and you realize that you've actually been entirely wrong the whole time you're terrified till like like you don't know you kind of forget it feels like to be so wrong. It took a long time for me to admit that even liked being in there Because they didn't go in for the politics. I didn't go in for racism. I went in because I was insecure. Me Feel good about myself. Hi How are you good. So that day when Rhiannon was visiting Sam I call them from a studio in New York and Sam talk us through the entire story of how she got into this from. Start to finish. Tell me about who you were before this whole thing started. Did I was just kind of one of those like Weirdos like I was I liked music. Sam Grew up in New Jersey and then when she was halfway through high school her family moved to the south and it wasn't that she was a misfit. Really she had friends but cheap. It was always looking for her place in things so she would cycle through these different identities. She'd be really into being an athlete and then she'd be really into being kind of punk and then she'd be really into indie movies. I was just always searching for more for my place for that that thing. That's bigger than me for me to fit in but people seem to generally like me. I went to parties. I hung out with everyone. I enjoyed myself I would. I was pretty left leaning Almost annoyingly so ooh so. Sam was really close with her maternal grandmother who was German and who actually had grown up in the thirties in Germany and was part of Hitler youth so obviously Sam knew that that was horrifying and yet as horrifying as that part of her history was she still wanted some way to connect with her German heritage. You know I have a very broad jaw and I have a very serious face when I'm not interacting with people and I would hope my excuse for everything was always you know I'm stoic German. I you know invest because I'm German. Everything was always a because I'm German. So she she finished his high school. She doesn't go to college. She starts working in service jobs mostly in bars and cafes and eventually she meets this guy now in my conversations with Sam. We've called him Richie. But that's not his real name. So she meets Richie and immediately. This becomes the kind of relationship where it just feels like a really deep instant connection. I mean he I I I really felt like he loved me and I felt like I belonged with him and there was never any need to think that I needed to talk politics with him. There was never ever like. We took a day off Andrew to Atlanta to see Andrew Jackson Jihad. which is a like a folk punk left leaning like very like almost anarchist band and We Love Neutral Milk Hotel. which one of the album's is about like the Holocaust yet? Their their second album has songs from the perspective of a reincarnated and frank. Yeah we think that somebody who loves that album is not going to become a holocaust. Denier everything that we loved together was just strange in different friend and he had never said anything at least for the first year that we were together that gave me pause. First Ritchie's this really fun life of the Party. Pretty Kinda guy really outgoing knows how to play. Music knows how to cook really well knows how to dance. And then over time he starts changing he. He had kind of buckled down a little bit he was going to earlier. He was playing a lot of chess. Reading dosed IOF ski Which is fine? All of those hobbies are fine but died you know with his this darker personality and he like almost spoken a lower register sometimes when he was serious and he was much much more unwilling to accept me making any mistakes He just kept calling me a race traitor or race baiter which I had. No I had no idea what that meant And then he just kept saying that he couldn't defend me on the day the rope anytime that I did anything it was always saying. I love you but I can't defend you on the day the rope. Can you explain what the day of. The rope is The day of the rope is a day that was written about in this book called the Turner Diaries. And what it says is that it's a they also call like white utopia or something like that But it's where all this gender Hetero normative you know fully abled white people Find all people that don't fit that very narrow description in and drag them out of their houses and hang on lamp posts so he was saying he couldn't save you should this. Yeah because I was a degenerate because I liked to party because I was friends with all kinds of people because I was sexually active before I met him. I could not reconcile it in my brain how this happened so I went to his house. I asked if we could talk We like sat down and And I remember asking him what it meant and he turned to me and I it was like he was testifying in court and just looked at me and said I think I'm a fascist and I don't WanNa be with anyone she's not. I just got my things in left and when when you left what what were you thinking like what was happening. At that moment I got in the car and my first thought was like well. Obviously yeah I can never never be with him And I was crying and I was like eating cigarettes I was so upset and And and I somehow from the time that I got an a car to the time that I got out I just convinced myself that I needed to understand understand where all this like. What all of this actually is like what? Where is this coming from so as soon as she gets home? She opens up her laptop and she starts reading everything she can find about the alright listening to podcasts watching videos on youtube she just wants to try to understand it. I completely dove into it. You know I skipped past most people's Stages of getting into the far right like I went straight into like Richard Spencer David Duke Nathan to Migo like all of these people that spoke calmly and spoke rationally and My intention engine originally was you know all right. I'm going to go in and I'm GonNa find these points. I'm going to find the counterpoint. And I'm going to confront him and we're going to have a discussion and he's going to be fixed but that is not quite how it played out so some parts. The outright Internet are just truly horrific and abhorrent. Like the worst stuff. You can imagine but the stuff that Sam is looking at at this point is a more kind of pseudo intellectual more buttoned up version of the outright stuff like American renaissance The site Jerry Taylor runs or Radic's journal which was Richard Spencer's site. They're they're no less racist but they dress it up in all kinds of pseudo intellectual vocabulary and in a way. They're more dangerous because they don't immediately reveal themselves to be as odious as they are. But if you're someone who doesn't have much context it's much easier to get drawn in by that stuff. There was some interview on the Young Turks with Nathan D'Amico and he was just I remember Nathan was just very calm. And he was saying like how he loves ethnic food but he loves white people to enjoy about other cultures. I love Lumpia if anyone wants to like ever make me happy. Just just a big panel Olympia like will cheer me up Filipino delicacy. Yes very much so so you know yeah there. There are things that we can enjoy and now we can experience from other people you know however you know again there is this other side in which there is this this feeling of isolation when I was going through the motions of learning about the alright and learning about what all this stuff was it was always marketed to me as this is just pro white. There's no anti anyone we you know. Respect suspect in and show you know adherence for black like we care about everyone else that it had nothing to do with thinking that anyone was lesser than everyone. You know there was some line whereas like everyone is superior in their own way. I remember calling my grandmother and talking talking to her about this and saying like hey you know I I'm talking to someone about these ideas and I just I don't know what what do you think like you went through to a war you've had this this full and vibrant life in like what. What are your thoughts on these things And she was like. That's you know Nazism is horrible like she she pointblank called it out for what it was and I just remember and I remember telling her like you know I'd you know should I feel bad for being white and she. She paused and she said you should never apologize for who you are and I took that line and just shows ran with it and said I am pro white. I'm not anti anyone else. I'm not a Nazi I'm not anything. I'm just pro white. I inform people and that was the okay that I took to join. I remember calling him and I was just like you know I I was all I looks. It's all the sites that everything that you said and let's do this so once Sam. I am decided that she wanted to go down this road. She decided to make it formal. Because that's kind of how she is. She describes herself as a try hard. And so I looked into identity AROPA and I think like a day or two later. I didn't tell Ritchie that I was joining but I sent an an application. There's no one official group called the alright but one of the main groups. The one that Sam was looking into at the time was called identity. A Europa or for short guy is a group that was formed in early. Two Thousand Sixteen as trump was running for president at the time when I enjoy I really thought that it was just going to be like a pro white community where we could talk to each other about being who we are and I guess gain confidence and build community and exchange recipes or visit each other and just it kind of becomes like a like a chat just like anything else any sort of like going meet up dot com. That's that's what it felt like. It was going to be SAM first joins I E E in December twenty sixteen and basically as soon as she joins joins they start wanting her to do more and more stuff within the group partially this is because she's a woman and they really wanted more women in the movement at the time there were only about half a dozen women in all of identity Aropa so she starts getting more and more involved proving herself and within just a couple months she has become the women's coordinator Nadir of all of National Identity Roca so it would just be generally like I think I tried to deliver a question of the day and so sometimes it would be like what's your favorite meal or who's your favorite ever classic Hollywood actress. What's your favorite perfume? What kinda music do you like? Any sort of you know just thing to get women chatting into make them feel like they were part of a community If women had problems they would call me if you know or message me and I would give them council. What kind of problems would they call you with it could be honestly anything You know they. They met a man and the man wanted to be physically physically intimate and they were torn between wanting to be intimate with him but not wanting to be looked down upon or you know. They don't know how to talk to their family about their views news. Or they're having you know they one woman so that she had to go to a birthday party for Jewish sorority sister. And like how does she reconcile L.. Let her head that she still is Jewish friends but It was there was just a lot of stuff like that that you know what my family's coming over. How do I bake good meals that I could tell them that? I'm an identity -tarian anything like that so not long after. Sam Joins the movement. And she and Richie break-up and this leaves her feeling pretty lonely pretty cut off. And even though I e is an online movement meant they are also interested in forging community in real life so they start planning a big event to try to get everyone together a big rally and the place. They I choose to do. It is Charlottesville. Virginia so this was not the big CHARLOTTESVILLE rally that everybody remembers. This was the precursor to that. This one was in. May Two thousand seventeen the first just one and the purpose of it was the same as the one that would come later. It was they all wanted to get Tiki torches light them and bring them to this statue of Robert e Lee and they wanted it to be a public statement. I drove up with a few people that were also from my region and We we got this airbnb at a vineyard And so we'd drive up and I remember thinking the no one was gonNA notice me and I go in and we as we give our names. I remember being so confused because everyone would give one name and then they would give another suicide there like the Internet namely their outrage student. them or their real name and they'd be like hi. My name is Blake. You know John Kidding. I'm actually so. And so or how many was so and so but my real name is blink but anytime that anyone found out like my alright name Oh my God like. I can't believe you're like you're the women's coordinator. Can I get my picture with you. Can I get this. Can I get that like I have so much respect for what you do. You're doing God's work all of this stuff and it just. It fell insane to going through to be going through all this stuff and I had just gone through this break up with Ritchie I felt so lawson so insecure again and the movement was really all that I felt like I had I had isolated myself from my real friends like my real life friend who were normal so only really had was the outright so it's a ha them praising me and telling me that I'm like this incredible person. I've helped them and I've inspired them. Meanwhile I've pretty much done nothing. It just felt so good all right so after all the marches and banquets and everything that night they go back to the AIRBNB and they have this big party. You know everybody was. They are all the big names and the movement including Richard Spencer who is kind of the biggest most public face of the entire movement and so she felt flattered when Richard spent the whole night kind of attending to her. I think I went out onto the porch to smoke a cigarette or something and Richard Spencer and I had started talking and we just started talking about ideology and again like it was just one of the things. He's he's great at rhetoric and he's great great at conversations when he wants to be there at this house party shared a cigarette and they were kind of having this banter conversation nation. She went inside the House standing in this big room with all these young guys who are all hopped up and energetic and Richard Spencer walked into the room and this one kid just said seek and another another kid said Heil. They're pointing at Richard Spencer. With this stiff armed Nazi salute. It started with like hail victory. Hell Victor Sieg and then everyone say hi. See Kyle C Kyle. I don't know there was justice energy in the room. It was Powell like you. Could you could have eaten it. It was so intense. Sam had this moment of like she always said that she wasn't into Nazi stuff mm-hmm and that that was over the line and that was inappropriate and yet now she's in this room where there's just dozens and dozens of people like at this fever pitch of like doing this kind of ritualistic thing. This is one thing they're not supposed to do. This is the one thing they can't do in public and they are high on the just sort of transgressive energy of it and Sam describes this one moment where she looks over and sees Richard Spencer as this is happening and he looks back at her and gives her this sort of raised eyebrow. Look like so You're going to do it. He was saying we dead. In the eyes and own Samantha story continues in a moment. This is the New Yorker Radio Hour This is the New Yorker Radio Hour within the span. Of just a few months Samantha had made her way into the leadership of identity Europa but about six months after that party Samantha reached out to staff writer Andrew. Iran's he's covered the alt-right for the New Yorker writing about four Chan neo-nazis and others and his new book on extremism and the Internet is called antisocial. When Andrew was reporting he kept finding? It wasn't easy at all to get members of the alright to sit down for interviews so I had been putting out feelers for a while in this world. I was trying to find someone who could really just tell me. Honestly what it was like inside the outright not give me spin or movement propaganda but just in what their experience was getting in and ideally getting out and I had not had much luck and one night I was sitting at work. I was in the conference inference room actually and I got an email from this anonymous person. This anonymous woman basically saying I don't know if you've heard about me but I'm trying to leave if the movement and I'm like physically about to go on the run because essentially when I leave I don't even know if I'm going to be physically safe. Hey sorry about that and I said Yeah I WANNA talk for a few days just been kind of in and out of different places right now until oh I think I have five more days until the place that I will be renting you. Try to okay and your end so I think it's I think it's like super interesting to be where you are interesting is like maybe a trivializing word for a very scary moment in your life but I do think it's I don't know I don't don't think this thing has been around long enough where people can go in and then go out. I have never thought there was someone in your position. Yeah in a way. Felt like her story was Kinda too good to be true. Like I felt like why would someone reached the upper echelons of the alright movement and then go run and tell some Jewish journalist at the New Yorker their whole life story like there are professional organizations and on the far right that tried to trap mainstream journalists into believing false stories. This is like a thing that happens at scale so I didn't can really trust her and she of course didn't trust me but when you're sitting here presenting idealistic telling like I've been pretty vulnerable with you. You know and it's like I yep. I have not done that with anyone Jane yet. No I know I agree. I mean look. This is gonNA sound kind of weird in like forrest gump pitch but like ideally I would really if we were going to really have a real conversation. It would be in person. The like Burger you even live. I live in New York. I mean I would. I would like get on a bus. Come see you if you had time. Yeah I get in my car drive to this random town in Maryland and meet her at this hotel lobby and we just sit and talk and she shows me photos rose and audio files and videos and the more we talk the more it becomes clear to me what she's saying is ultra and obviously by the time. Sam contacted me. Things had changed for her pretty dramatically. After little a little less than a year in the movement. She now wants to get out but I spent a lot of time trying to piece together. Exactly how she got to that point so it wasn't like there was some Hollywood Hollywood moment where she just. The clouds parted and she realized that she had been racist all along. It was a process but there was one big turning point that set her on the road to getting out of the movement and that was when this group that she was in call identity Europa started helping to plan another big league rally in Charlottesville Virginia. This was the big one that you've heard of the unite the right rally so every day as this rally got closer. Sam started to doubt more and more weather. This event was gonna be a good idea. Plenty of US talking to each other saying like this is not going to end well. There's just no way and that's that's not even accounting for opposition like that's just within the movement itself. We all knew that it was going to be a mess. How could you tell the first rally was only done by With invite like it was like an invite only thing basically and so it was all done under one roof So everyone shared the same common vision. And of you know we're just GONNA go. We're going to protest this and then with unite the right rally. It was like we're going to invite literally everyone on the right and whoever shows up do do whatever it is that you do. There was so much at that point in two thousand seventeen without ball rolling of what the outright or what the alright was from what it meant and people were breaking off and going into different factions and wanting to distance ourselves from this group. Because they're too violent or they're too out in the open about their Nazism him or whatever That no one was willing to like Cooper aid so she was having serious doubts about this all right demonstration demonstration but the other thing that was going on as she was in this new relationship Actually with the leader of identity Europa at the time and things in the relationship are going in south pretty quickly. They have been living together but when she tries to break up with him repeatedly he essentially just refuses to leave her apartment. Leave you you know. We're not sleeping in the same room. We weren't like I did not appreciate this person at all If I had point blank thank said we're done. I'm don get out I could have been exposed. I could have been kicked out. You know this person had a lot of pull in a lot out of He had told me that he had ruined other people's lives. Now the way Sam tells it is that this guy is threatening to docks her meaning releasing her personal information online and that is a very powerful threat because even though a lot of people in. It are willing to go to a public rally Allie. They're still trying to mostly stay anonymous online. Like Sam's not telling people in her family or at her job that she's going around doing sieg Heil with Richard Spencer Sir and she knows very well what happens to members of the outright after they get ducks host. Yeah become a social pariah. Just absolutely become like your quarantining yourself herself if you if you get exposed so the day of the big CHARLOTTESVILLE rally comes along and Sam is still no not really on board with the rally but she also has this guy living in her apartment threatening to expose her so she just says okay. I'm just GonNa sit this one out so she takes a work shift that day. It was a weekend of street battles and start displays racism racism exploding into a deadly act of domestic terror. Tonight we examine ask all the chaos in Charlottesville is unfolding as a white supremacist named James. Alex fields is ramming his car into a crowd of people ultimately killing heather. Hire one of the protesters and that's being broadcast on the TV's above the bar. Where Sam's working there were teams where I work? It was all over the place and I remember some coworkers really. Oh I hope I hope it says Nazis that are getting. The car ran into someone remember that they were like. Oh my God a car hit somebody. Hope it's one of those Nazis he's said happened and when it was confirmed that it was someone who is not in the right. It was a nice normal person it just it broke my heart man who and she just can't really deny it to herself anymore. The bottom line is this is her team. Who's doing this stuff and right about that? same mm time. She get set up to do an interview with a woman. Glenna Gordon so glenna is a photo journalist who shoots for places like The New York Times magazine and she was doing this photo documentary project about women. In the far-right Glenn was looking for someone who was kind of a leader in this part of the outright movement and she got set up with Samantha and so they met up at a coffee shop and they ended up talking for hours and Glenna really directly challenges Sam on her beliefs in a way that no one really had before and actually clinic gave us that audio. The idea of and I'm not against it exactly like you've sadly exactly like but also you realize the company you keep when you advocate separation mine and the area nation. I understand what you're saying but again it's just you this large blanket of saying like okay so the KKK was was play despite advocacy. So that being that I have some sort of for women in the night. I mean you have direct rhetorical. I Dunno calories like proverbial bloodline or not like the words that are coming out of your mouth the same as the words that come out of there. And what have I done that. A sigler Hugo you said the same work. She was really since I joined the first person than than actually dissect dismantled everything that I said I believed in and held me accountable for it. This was one Like three days after the rally. Oh well I I remember picking and choosing these things like my the points that I was always going to say like no one is white enough like I'm pro at. I don't hit anyone else. I'm pro eugenics because I don't WanNa give society the burden of having children with problems and there was like one other thing like I believe in separation because I want communities to be able to support themselves the three tenants of the alright that I had decided. We're going to be my platform like why seperation meaning racial segregation or racial ethnic states. Yeah and I just yell even see like even now I try to like be euphemistic about it because I'm just so embarrassed by it because equal. Yeah absolutely absolutely segregation And this woman is sitting across from me there sandy blond hair and her little California vibe Bob and just saying like well you know as it turns out like you are connected to the KKK and this is actually how you know opportunity works and this is how housing structure and school systems systems. Work and I couldn't pretend like this was something that I believe. Even if it was something that I believed in it was being taken apart right in front of me and very calmly very easily I just remember at the end of the interview just being like I'm actually just afraid that you're one hundred percent right coming home and being like I. I can't do this. I stopped caring about what it meant for me. If I left I knew I would still have to be careful. I knew that I would still have to you know. Cover my tracks and be safe You know be quiet disappear for a little bit if that's what it took But I knew that if I didn't leave then I wasn't going to leave and so I did. I just resigned and it took me a few more weeks to get out of the chats. It took me a few weeks to get out of the House House. It took me a few weeks to do everything and then it took me months to even feel like I was fully out of it like even in my brain I remember I remember that time. I mean I remember you calling me and you still being kind of scrambled up and just Kinda just very fragile. Yeah I remember her. I was like simultaneously determined to get through it but also so resigned to the fact that what if that's just who I was. ooh Yeah didn't realize I had feelings about that. Still sorry it's not. It's not that surprising to me. Honestly because I remember that was when I met you during that time and you were just so messed up and confused used and like but I also like I couldn't tell like How much to try to help or how much to to be like? Should I be angry at this person because she was just doing in saying all these terrible things or should I be like reaching reaching out to her and trying to pull her out of it like I didn't know how active to be or how passive to be it was. Yeah I remember that I remember you. Were the only only safe person that I knew. Yeah like now you can look back and be like I'm embarrassed or I feel I feel sad or I feel angry at myself or whatever you have this distance back then you had no distance so I remember we had this conversation where you were like look look I know the Holocaust happened but like it did it those and I was like did and you were in you an immuno so interesting because you'd be like yeah. Yeah yeah I know totally I. I know you're right but like it probably wasn't six million though. Yeah there was always this seed of doubt and like I think not in terms terms of the Holocaust but like in terms of anything that I hear now that someone claims to be true I just instinctually. I'm like yeah like how much of that is true. Like I'm just I'm I'm. I'm just sceptical everything. But yeah I mean that was it was. It took such a long time for me to like. I couldn't accept I except facts. I mean do you How do you deal with that now? Like how do you where do you get your information now. How do you apply Skepticism to the information you hear now but but not too much skepticism. Like how are how are you. I mean I kind of just. There's no one website that I go to. There's no one piece of literature that I go to. There's no oh I know you want me to read What does that stupid book by? David Foster Wallace that you think I should not stupid. It's called infinite jest and when you read it you're GonNa come back to me and tell me that I was right just like I was right about that. Goddamn Holocaust if you you know you can. You can double down on your disdain for this book all you want but your your family can really loves the band tool and you're like just give it a chance. Dan Letter LSS brilliant. I just can't well. It is. Is it anyway. Yeah like there's no one piece of literature I just. You have to think critically of everything. They spent a lot of time reporting on groups. Like this and a lot of the people I see get drawn into it and and they're just looking for a racist movement to join and that's all there is to it but with most other people it's a little more complicated like in in Sam's case maybe they're lost. Maybe they're gullible. Maybe they want some kind of sense of purpose in their lives and in a way even though Sam ended up getting out of this stuff I still find her story really unsettling because by any measure someone like Sam who grew up the way she grew up and had the friends she had and had the political behavior she had. She should not have gone down this road. And that all points to what I think is pretty deepen SORTA scary question which is whether any of us can ever really truly know who we are what we believe because if people's beliefs can change change in such a core way then how certain and how solid was that stuff to begin with. I you've thought I knew at all. I thought it was above it. I thought I could spot bad ideas from a football field away. I now now to this day I've had a couple friends. Send me quote Unquote Edgy. MEMES that I know were created by the outright years ago the conversation need need to happen. People need to sit down and challenge themselves and I think it's great that people are so against Far Right ideology that they think they're better than it but I think it's extremely naive and foolish to think that you that you are impervious to it. No one is impervious to this. That was Samantha. She left identity wrote about two years ago and she asked that we not use her. Full name Andrew. Miranda's the author of the Book Antisocial Online Extremists Techno Utopians and the hijacking jacking of the American conversation. You can read him on these topics and much more at New Yorker Dot Com. I'm David Remnant. And that's our show for this week. have a terrific Thanksgiving and please join US next time from the New Yorker Radio Hour is a co production of WNYC studios and the New Yorker. Our theme music was composed and performed by Merrill Garbis of tune yards arts with additional music by Alexis Drago. This episode was produced by Alex. Barron Emily Boutin Ave Korea reacted corby. 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"If you like the young Turks podcast. I think you'll love a lot of the podcasts on the network old school is one of my favorites one of the favorites for a lot of the listeners. Please check that out subscribe Cher. It makes a big difference and give it a five star rating. Thank you all right. Well Hugh Grant and conspiring with you. Guys big show as look. There's a number of stories that are devastating for trump in today's round but also for Biden also Bloomberg Colossus of devastation for everybody handing it out on the daily so But the trump was really bad so parnis apparently has videotapes audiotapes. We're GONNA get a little bit later. Trump Giuliani on the tapes. Apparently okay so we don't know how dammit is what will get into the details but to me Probably the most damning story out of a lot for today for Donald Trump is mulvaney on the record explaining we've got to come up with a legal justification so the details on that are super important because of that stuff's written down. Oh man that's really bad really really bad. Among a lot of stories that are really really bad. Dick PIC okay. So thank you have an exciting guests coming up on the show today. I do about that Bill de Blasios will be making an appearance on the actually during the a time where we usually have our post game so we have canceled our post game today so Jake can do a full thirty minute long. Interview with Bill De Blasio. That's at eight thirty. PM Eastern time five thirty PM. Pacific stay tuned for more on the timing but the bottom line is so hold on now but the blue is definitely in and he's definitely going to be at eight thirty and and We got a lot of great guests. He's the third guest but the reason we're mentioning him other than the fact that he's the mayor of New York is. We're going to have a conversation about Bloomberg so you don't. I don't WanNa miss that. That's going to be really interesting. So that's a little bit later in this program. Okay all right. Let's get to the news. There's complete chaos and division within within the military surrounding the alleged war crimes committed by a navy seal by the name of Eddie Gallagher and trump's involvement in. It has made things much it's worse so The Secretary of Defense Mark Esperer has decided to force the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer over his handling of the case ace. The story has a lot of moving parts. A lot of different elements First let's go back to see what Eddie Gallagher allegedly did what he was actually found guilty of and why this is a big story today so from September of two thousand eighteen to July of two thousand nineteen he had been accused of committing war crimes during during that time period and he actually faced serious charges as a result including attempted murder premeditated murder aggravated assault with a dangerous weapon. Two Times was on noncombatants discharging firearms to Endanger non-combatants a picture with a casualty operation of drone over human casualty wrongful the use of possession of controlled substance it was an opioid and there were other offenses that he was accused of as well. I didn't include in that list. But a charge of obstruction action of justice was also brought Against Gallagher for alleged witness intimidation according to the claim gallagher allegedly threatened to kill fellow seals if they reported his actions and by the way many of them did the reason why all these allegations came up in. The first place is because His Fellow Navy Seals had reported him because of what they perceive to be as war crimes. Now Gallagher was acquitted in a murder and attempted murder case in July but he was convicted of posing in a photo with a dead body of a seventeen year old isis member trump order to rescind the metals of prosecutors who worked on Gallagher's case so trump got involved oft almost immediately and Pete Hegseth over at Fox kept encouraging trump to get involved and Basically get gallagher her off. You know you guys important context here before we get to. Who's right and wrong within the chain of command? Is that understand the Donald Trump Pete Haixa Fox News or against the military in this case. Okay and they're against The normal rules of the military and they're against all those navy seals who reported him and who gallagher threatened to murder okay. It wasn't just that he killed an isis member. That's the whole point of the navy. Seals is yes. They kill Isis members. That's not the issue at all. All he apparently committed war crimes as a pointed out including murder and including going after noncombatants to the point that his fellow Navy seals all all united to say. This guy committed war crimes. Now how. How often does that happen in the military not very often so it has to be outrageous unbelievable for for them to do that? And then this out of Control Guy Turns around and says okay. I'M GONNA kill all of US sales and Donald Trump says. Oh you committed war-crimes you've destroyed military terry morale and you're attacking fellow Navy Seals Great. You're my Guy Pete Hegseth and other guy who disrespects the military and the Navy seals by saying hey deep threatening to kill Navy seals no problem. I'll back the guy who did that. Threat so understand. They're not on the side of the military here the mill so they they're totally against. It's the brave navy seals who originally said we fall military protocol. We follow rule of law. And this guy committed war crimes they they Hegseth Fox and trump is united against them. So I understand what the WHO the real players in this conflict are right and I want to emphasize one thing just to be fair and and absolutely clear about what happened during the trial so he was acquitted of all the allegations with the exception of posing with a casualty But there was an unexpected moment during his trial while where a medic claimed responsibility for killing the ISIS fighter. He's the one who said well he was suffering. He was going to die right from his injuries. So to basically have mercy on him. I decided to kill him but I I have no idea. If that's true right there was a bunch of people who supported the war criminal. Eddie Gallagher and so I don't know if I've met a came in was like now no sure trump's on our side who cares and no one cares about the truth ruth anymore. So why don't you just go through role a hangar named into the middle of this trial basically war. Maybe he's telling the truth. I don't know but if you're on the jury that makes it nearly impossible impossible to convict so well played a pro war criminals so now let's get deeper into how trump got involved and how this is led to chaos within the military now when the jury found him guilty of posing in that photo with the dead Isis fighter they also also decided to demote gallagher and at that point trump got very involved okay so trump reverse gallagher's demotion a week ago and pardoned to other servicemembers accused of warcrimes deeply upsetting military leaders in response. Military officials launched a formal review to determine if gallagher was fit to serve as a seal which is protocol after a conviction that review was expected to lead to his expulsion but then again trump got involved in. ABC News explains in greater detail in this clip take a look just last week. President trump intervened in the case ordering the Navy to Promote Gallagher back to his rank restoring his pay pay and pension. The Navy announced. It Would Review Gallagher's case which could lead to him being kicked out of the seals and losing the highly valued trident pin identifying him in the elite community but then president trump publicly intervening again with this week. The navy will not be taking away warfighter. A navy seal Eddie. Gallagher's tried and pin. This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business but Navy Secretary Richard. Spencer responded by saying he does not consider tweets in order that the New York Times reporting that both he and Admiral Colin Green Commander of the Navy seals threatened to resign something they deny. I have not threaten to resign I am here. I work at the pleasure of the president. So Richard Spencer is curious guy because while publicly he spoke out against trump's involvement apparently privately according to reports today. He was working some sort of secret. Deal with trump trump on this case so I have a theory on why that is So Spencer wanted the regular rules to apply and trump said no. I don't care about your stupid military rules. I don't care about the military or it's stupid rules. I just I like war criminals and by the way that's a fact to you you remember during the campaign. He said we should not only kill tariffs kill. They're innocent family members so he's always been in favour war-crimes from day one and so now that he's president. We shouldn't be surprised that that he is aiding and abetting war criminals so he told Spencer No. I liked that. He's a war criminal. So I'm paraphrasing now. Okay so so. Make sure that he gets all this stuff back now. Spencer is trying to get it to a point. It looks like from the outside here where to the rest of the military they can say. Hey we went through a process remember. You can't just ignore the rules in the military because that would cause massive damage to the military right and and you can't just say okay. I'm just GONNA commit war crimes. Murder people threaten my fellow seals service members and then hoped trump bails out with a tweet so an ordained affects that it looks like Spencer to trump said what if we said we did give him is tried and pin back but we said we went through a process so so it doesn't destroy military order right right and and of course trying to do even half of the right thing is going to get. You're fired well. I think. Cure Sussman is completely right. And you're correct about the the lack of morale following trump's involvement getting gallagher off and look defense defense secretary Mark Esber was unaware that Richard Spencer was working with Donald Trump behind the scenes to do this deal and so he finds out about got it here. He says that he was baffled by it. And decided to pressure Richard Spencer to resign. And that's exactly what happened and in his resignation letter. He made clear that he disagrees with with. What trump is doing that? You know even though trump is the one who appointed him he completely disagrees with trump in this case and then one one other thing that I wanted to bring up look Donald Trump. Why why is he doing this? Like what is the point like. Why is he so intent on getting people off after they've been convicted of war crimes? We'll look gets encouraged by the shows. He watches and he loves to watch Fox News. And Pete Hegseth has been trying to get gallagher off since the beginning of this case and so over the weekend there was a segment that featured Eddie Gallagher and he had no problem trashing people that he reported to in the military. Jerry take a look you saw. The president's tweet ultimately a allowed you to get your rank back reported back to duty react to everything that's going on right now you know it just keeps getting more and more unreal. The got the president's tweet on Wednesday saying he's going to restore your tried and not being taken away exactly and I'm overjoyed that he stepped in again. That's being the leader that he is But at the same at the same token i. It's I just get a feeling of embarrassment for my community that Admiral Green is letting ego get the best of him at this point And he's trying to take my try because it's it's all about retaliation allegation so rear admiral. Colin Green wanted to clean up shop within the navy seals because he saw behavior That that was problematic to say the least really underplaying it here and so he wanted consequences for Seals who had been doing bad things things and so obviously gallagher didn't like that he didn't like the fact that Admiral Green was keeping an eye on him and has decided to go on Fox snooze and trash him now when it comes to the whole issue of Gallagher's retirement and his ability to retire as a navy seal he actually did make a plea to trump Directly on Fox. And I WANNA show you that clip take a look. What would your message be to the president? What would About your case you want to retire. What would you say you know? I just WANNA retire peacefully with with all the honors that I've earned Get back to my family and you know I don't know how many times I think the president he keeps L. Stepping in and doing the right thing and I just wanted to let him know that the rest of the seal community is not about this right now they they all respect. The president and with the admirals doing showing complete insubordination is not a good example of good order. And when you say the seal community you're saying the guy's you've serve with yes have your back in this. They appreciate what the presence they definitely do. Wait the ones who threaten to murder or the other ones because the ones you threatened to murder turned you in so it doesn't seem like they've got your back and God knows what you'll do next with your threats now that you are above above the law now they're trump says. You can kill anyone you like. And I'm not GonNa do a Goddamn thing about it and I'm GonNa make sure. No one is allowed to do anything about it. Let's look at the irony of him saying that the admiral's committing insubordination as he is way lower than the chain of command and is being subordinate to the admiral. So apparently words don't mean anything anymore and mills. Jose rules don't mean anything was on meaning so he got convicted right so you got convicted of taking a picture with a dead soldier. The dead I soldier so a lot of people might say well. That's the only thing he actually did that. Big a deal so yes first of all. He's convicted and when you're convicted. You lose those metals so if you say well I know but and I kind of liked the guy. Because he's a war criminal so I want to ignore the military rules. Well then you're gonNA have chaos and secondly it is a big deal. Why is it a big deal? Remember the pictures Abu Ghraib. They said don't take those pictures is against military rules to take those pictures data pictures anyway and then what happening released and then what happened. It created a massive civil war where our guys got killed. God knows how many people got killed because of those pictures. That's why they tell you. Don't take the Goddamn pinchers right. And he did it anyway because he thinks I don't care and trump thinks oh war criminals and trump at every. Turn whether it's the military or domestic law is against law enforcement. Why because he's a lifelong criminal so he's sides with other criminals on a regular basis finally to defense secretary expert so so he says Oh man I can't believe behind my back and the steel and under normal circumstances that would actually be a pretty good case? Hey you know what. The Navy secretary should've checked with the defense secretary before we're talking the President Fair enough right but that s for goes Oh Spencer. He shouldn't have done that then who does he back does he. Back the play of no. We're going to follow normal military terry rules or does he back trump. He Goes Spencer. You're fired for not following military roles but gallagher you get everything back. Everything's fine trump wins. It's over he gets everything he wants. And while I get to pretend I care about military rules which I obviously don't want because I kissed Donald Trump's ask for a living. Okay so that's what happened with aspro understand that okay so it is. It is funny because on one hand you have gallagher accusing Rear Admiral call and green of you. Know being being motivated by his own ego influenced by his own ego but the only person in the story so far. Who is Being influenced by EGO really is Esperer. Because why is this for upset at Richard Spencer. He's upset at Spencer because he went behind Spurs back and negotiated some sort of deal with trump so S. spurs inca was a little bruised and by the way one other thing that Secretary of Defense Mark expert just said was that trump ordered him to allow gallagher her to keep his status in the elite service despite resistance from Navy leaders. Okay so if you're saying hey listen ultimately the president of the commander-in-chief manner and chief any can order that that's true. So in this case trump is a rare case where trump is not breaking a law. Okay I think he's destroying military order and morale and all the things that all the admirals generals are all concerned with right. Because they don't Wanna get their guys killed okay. But he doesn't care about any of that he's not a deep thinker occurred to say the least he is allowed to do but Espera. You don't have to follow the rules. Nobody's making you continue to be defector when I mean by that is yes if the president orders something so you have to do it but you could also resign you can say hey listen. All the Navy leaders disagree with this is against everything we've ever been taught in the military and and it destroys our credibility when we go into different country and the reason they allow us to go into a lot of countries is because we have rules and we actually hold people accountable when they break the law in a different country. Now when we take that away. Which is what you've just done here you've greatly endangered all of our troops all of our servicemembers bruce so I'm residing but that would take principal and Ezra doesn't have principal? He goes. Well I mean I maybe I was against this because eh against everything I've ever been taught and everything that anybody in the military has ever been taught but on the other hand I love my job so powerful and babies yes is yes gallagher. You WanNa criminal. Who Cares? I WANNA break the rules to give your metals back. Who Cares who cares who cares? Am I still the defense secretary. It was the secretary. Okay great ego exactly and so at the end of the day this unfortunately has done great damage to our military. 'CAUSE now wherever they go they will be trusted less and when they trusted less people fire at them and more people die but donald trump has never cared about any the of that. All he's ever cared about is I like people who break the law and just like I said during the campaign I want you to murder. People who aren't combatants and Nettie Gallagher did that according to remember even before the so called acquittal on those charges trump didn't mind that he did that when he thought he did do it right right and so that's why he did it because he's a monster and doesn't understand anything about rules or laws or the military all right When we come back from the break we will talk about love partners and what he's offering to impeachment investigators including some pretty incriminating evidence on representative of Devon Nunez? We'll be right back or it goes. We've got a good idea for you guys. I think you could turn your passion into potential investment opportunities whether it's cannabis which sounds really fun. Fun Fashion Less Fun. But that's me maybe you guys love it. Travel video games or anything else in between you. Tell us what you're interested in and we'll help you cover the investment potential. So how are we going to do that. Well we got a new partner. 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Ty T. thank you we appreciate it stone cold this members section of course. Ty T. dot com joined to become a member number Meg Ryan senators wondering trump loves. It's a major criminal That is certainly true. Jane Lockwood Sin. I find it ironic that it was reported. That trump felt it was unbecoming of Spencer to work out a safe compromise for trump slash the navy. Yeah that's unbecoming but not what the seal did shake my head. Okay and Now let me go to some other comments here Let me go to Youtube. Super Chat Miles Hill says as a navy vet seen the gallaghers saga unfold. Sick as me to my core gallagher is an utter disgrace to the uniform and has behaved makes behavior. Beer makes a mockery of the navy core values and the UC MJ And and then back the member section. Last one you've just been Cobra. Charred writes in a veteran. Here and really gallagher eat and Really Gallagher Egos driving your superiors judgment. You super sure. It's not your own ego or that of your Orange Daddy Eddie that are exacerbating this situation. So there's a lot of veterans who watch and And thank you in service members who is thanks for writing in with your perspective really appreciated others a veteran veteran who challenged Lindsey Graham and the hallway and I he thought he was on his side so like Oh yeah yeah yeah and then when he asked him really simple question about trump literally ran for the hills. You're gone gotten literally because there wasn't hills but he ran away into his office immediately without answering the question. Random off. That's right. Yeah the I love when veterans get involved because they have a harder time Pinon them as like. He's like the teachers. I like my teachers known dismissed nurses who cares right any regular citizen. They immediately. But if you're a betting there like all good veteran Red Republican right and then you know they're like oh no okay. Do the grams Graham. Could there you go. I can't take someone else's joke joke. Bret told me that in my ear. It's not me when I give him credit he did that. It's for neither way. All right you know other other hosts on cable news do that by the way they take the credit. I don't WanNa take her all right. Moving on the alternate breaking news story. Don mcgann must testify in the you impeachment investigation and this is according to a federal judge is ruling. The story just broke and it could be a big deal. For the trump administration Asian now don mcgann was the White House counsel. And here's what we know based on reporting by politico. US District Court judge can Tashi Brown Jackson ruled that again again. Who spent thirty hours talking to former special counsel Robert Muller's team can't hide behind trump's claim that he has absolute immunity from speaking to Congress so Against failure to appear was without legal justification according to what this federal judge wrote in her two page opinion. Bill Burke Began Attorney said the former White House counsel will comply with Judge Jackson's decision unless it is stayed pending appeal. Bill and the trump administration of course is planning to appeal this But impeachment investigation in impeachment. Investigators are asking for this case to go on while the appeal is being filed so important detail on that. I'm going to read you in a second but I want you guys to huge ramifications of this so One is about other articles of impeachment and the other is about other witnesses. So we'll get to that in one second but let me read you the detail. That's really important here. And that's going to decide ride. Potentially I don't know about everything but a lot of things related impeachment the according to politico here the trump administration is expected to appeal Jackson's decision. Okay makes sense but Democrats say her ruling should still take effect immediately to prevent the president from running out the clock on their impeachment probes. That makes any additional decision Asian by Jackson or an appellate court panel about whether to halt Mondays order until any. GPO is resolved at pivotal moment in the Democrats fast-moving moving impeachment effort. So that means if she says no he can go testify right now. Boom that's gigantic. If they put it to appeal then it's probably not gonNA make it in time and it makes a pointless right so and that's what trump's whole motive is he knows we'll begin to say we all know mcgann's say in the mullahs report report. So it's not like he thinks he's and he knows he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on he just thinks I don't care if I winning court. I just care that the court process takes too long for it to get into the impeachment process. I mean he's doing the exact same thing when it comes to his taxes so the trump administration just tries to run out off the clock and they're certainly trying to do that With this case as well and the reason why it's important to have mcgann testify is because of what he knows in regard to the obstruction of justice. Charges against him. In the Mueller Investigation Now mcgann sat with Muller for hours and gave testimony. Excuse me in regard to how trump tried to obstruct justice now White House and I'm sorry I. E congressional investigators are unable to get some of the important Horton details from that testimony in their impeachment investigation. And so that's why His testimony could be very useful here but it also opens opens the doors for other trump administration officials to comply with congressional subpoenas. Remember John Bolton seems to want to testify hi Before these impeachment investigators but he wanted a judge to rule on whether or not he could do so because the White House has said you know do not comply with these congressional subpoenas you you have no right to write. So that goes both points point one is. I always thought that the impeachment proceedings should have been broader muller also already told us ten counts of obstruction. It's just that I can't do anything about it because I can't indict them but congress can do anything they like now. Pelosi another Democrats have chosen not to pursue that but if mcgann again comes in and says open hearings yes. The president instructed me to lie to Congress at a bare minimum that's an obstruction charges. Is that will be added to impeachment no question about it and the and the second part of that is that it opens a door to the other problems that he has the Russia investigation in -struction charges and so God knows what happens when that door gets open. So that's monumentally important. For that reason now the second reason is the the second half what Anna said. It's not just about again the every one of these guys is using the same reason Trump is saying total immunity from testifying and sh this judge just knocked down the total immunity defense so if they're not absolutely immune that opens up John Bolton Mick Mulvaney the chief of staff entrails Kuperman who is deputy for John Bolton now bulletins itching to testify so he he wants to throw a trump under a bus but he wanted an order like this so he could say oh Phil Conservatives. There was nothing I could do. I've got a judicial order. Add to go testify and not you know. I can't lie under oath and then tell us it's all the what he called a drug deal. It's an analogy for the clear criminal behavior of Donald Trump in the Ukraine situation. And so Looks like he's itching for some sort of plea deal so that's later story. Let's not worry about that for now. But mcgann and Bolton could be a one two punch that knocks him out not just an impeachment. That's almost a foregone conclusion at this point. But when we get to conviction mcgann I and Bolton's testimony could be devastating and since they have a small window here before. There's a decision appealing or or or you're going forward with the order right now. You know what they could do. I don't I don't know if the timing will work out right but it could be like well. I guess I'm not. What can I do? Fight more the reality. Everyone can see the game that he's playing because he wants to maintain his cozy relationship with conservatives while also so throwing trump under the bus and that is not an easy thing to pull off so he's transparent you can see right through it so just stopping a coward and do the right thing and testify. Anyway I mean you love a number of trump administration officials who have complied with the subpoenas. You think we can't see your intent pasture mustache but we see you all all right. Well let's go get to love Parnis because what he's offering impeachment investigators a super juicy and Can we see how this plays out. So trump's personal lawyer rudy. Giuliani had a business associate named left Parnis and he is now trying to cooperate with impeachment investigation. Investigators in the the Ukraine scandal now. What left Parnassus? Now alleging is that He has secret recordings and he has Photos does that would be useful to the impeachment. Investigators and they feature trump and Giuliani. Okay so here's what we don't know so far we don't I don't know what type of incriminating evidence is included in those phone calls in those recordings we're in those photos. The materials submitted to the house. Intelligence Committee includes audio video and photos does that include Giuliani and trump. But it was unclear. What the content depicts and the committee's only began assessing the material last week? So the the committee's the relevant committees in this impeachment investigation have the materials. They have been taking a look at it since last week. And according to the indictment Pardon sought then Ed Ukraine Ambassador Maria von riches ouster earlier this year along with his efforts to get Ukraine officials to investigate. The president's political rival matters matters that have repeatedly emerged in the house impeachment inquiry so this is super relevant to the impeachment. Obviously and remember. The reason why Marie Ivanovich was pushed out of her position was because she was actually holding corrupt Ukrainian prosecutors accountable and those very prosecutors wanted you're out and they solicited the help of Rudy Giuliani and his business associate left Parnis and one other business associate eager fruman and another associate Donald. Well trump okay so the line to see the audio and video tapes of Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump. Talking about Ukraine. Rain is around the corner. Like it's Popeye's Fried Chicken Sandwich. Okay so Yummy Yummy. Everybody's interested now we don't know yet. How good at is we really? Don't I love this story partly because there's no honor among thieves so this guy's like Oh yeah man. Let's conspiracy around Ukraine partners right. Emilio anyway like press record okay. That's my get out of jail free card and now of course you know how trump is literally said in the past. Maybe it should be illegal title to cooperate with law enforcement which would be actually incredibly ironic. You make that illegal anyway so But they're all bad guys. There were all of these crooked deals so part is thinking like another one go to jail. Okay recording this stuff. So I don't know what exactly recorded it'd be got Guiliani Rudy talking about the core of the deal done on that. Uh Oh yeah. So we'll see what what those recordings entail. But I will say left. Part is facing legal issues of his own because of the fact that he was helping allegedly helping to funnel foreign money into the campaigns of Donald Trump and other politicians right. So you can't do that. That's against campaign finance laws and so It's likely that he's willing to participate in this investigation with the hope that he might get a slap on the wrist. Maybe they'll be a little bit of leniency. In his case he has pleaded not guilty to it But again we'll see how it plays out. He also said through his lawyer left that he decided to cooperate with impeachment. Investigators after trump threw him under the bus told you he throws to many people under the bus anyways in other part of this is important To because there's also apparently potential sei ideals so they wanted to get rid of Ivanovich our ambassador because he was actually against corruption. Okay so that was part of what Giuliani were trying to do. Now trump agrees as with them but for his own purposes. Because he wants to target Biden any Ivanovich is fair and honest. And so he's then he decides it's GonNa get rid of her but partisan firm and according to investigators might have also been trying to get a contract with the Ukrainian state owned oil and gas company NAFTAGAS. Okay and so they because that answer the question of wait why are they trying to get rid of our ambassador to Ukraine. What do they care they they really care about? WHO's on the side of corruption or against corruption? No they don't care about corruption. All the question is to what end right and it might be that there were doing a favor for someone in Ukraine so that they can get that gas the'll and make real money and if Giuliani was involved in that that will oh that would come out of that one is that explains why Giuliani has been on TV going. Hey now remember. I was working for the president now. That's really damaging to the president. Because that means I wasn't working for the American Arken government. I was trying to do a personal deal for for the president which by the way would be illegal and everything. Why is rudy admitting that because apparently the alternative is rudy was actually she working for himself to get that giant deal that would enrich himself and so he's tricking trump into firing automated? So that Rubio get rich okay so now but the second part of that is so since Rudi might have been doing that and by the way. Now there's even as we were on air there was more stories about about how much more legal trouble rudy. Giuliani said. I mean he's heard. Don't ask him if he's all right so he said that about himself self so nuts anyway so but if the prosecutors have Giuliani on the side deal if they got him dead to rights. and they're like Rudy. You're going to jail going to jail for a long time. Okay you think rudy won't flip on trump. There are no honor among thieves. Yes especially these guys. So we're like well you want to see my phone. I'd like to show my phone on. TV YOU WANNA see the text. I got from Donald Trump. Did Rudy record any of the calls. Oh He's this could be devastating rudy. Giuliani has mentioned in cable. All News interviews that he has recorded trump and then he later said that. Sure joking or partisans recorders are until you get Allo. Rudy's that's why guys when he's on Fox News and you're like Jesus what are you doing. Why is he doing this? He keeps saying hey remember. Have everybody's techs and I have everybody's recordings yes. Because he has this ideal according to prosecutors he was going to enrich himself and he's busted on that so he's threatening everybody in the trump administration. You better not let them get me otherwise. I got the goods on you. How Ironic and water twists it would be if at the end? The Guy who took trump down was rudy Giuliani and they start chanting impeachment hearings Rudy Rudy Rudy. Follow although I will say look. Sometimes it's tough following the law and feeling like this system works against you if you're a law abiding citizen but we'll get to go home at night and sleep comfortably while donald trump in Rudy Giuliani or like panicking trump on social media on twitter panicking. I love love is panicky texts and then Rudy Giuliani with this panicky texts to various reporters. It's just delicious. Yeah styles yeah no no whenever you see A tweet from Donald trump like total exoneration. 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Let's move onto more partners related news but this is even juicier because Devon Nunez is apparently implicated in this entire impeachment investigation so rudy Giuliani's business associate left partners is offering to testify in the impeachment investigation and he has some dirt it our representative Devon Nunez who has been front and center in the impeachment investigation now. He has been undermining it. He's been minimizing the accusations mutations against Donald Trump and Guiliani but at no point did he mentioned that he had been working with Rudy Giuliani and his business associates including Parnis in digging up dirt on Joe Biden. Let me give you the details PARNIS again. A business associate of Rudy Guiliani WanNA testify to Congress that aides to representative genitive Devon Nunez called off a trip to Ukraine. This year when they realized they would be required to notify Democratic Committee chairman. Adam Schiff now this is super relevant because obviously Adam Schiff is ahead of this impeachment investigation. The head of the committee doing the impeachment investigation and and we had learned last week that Devon Nunez was again working with left Eagle Fruman and Rudy Giuliani in in helping to dig up dirt. Not only on Joe Biden but on this nonsense conspiracy theory. That trump is bought into Where rather than Russia Ukraine was trying to meddle in the elections in two thousand sixteen? Okay so let me give you a little bit. More context here on Nunez's participation so I understand he definitely did meet with Ukrainians in twenty and now there's a new story about how he also thought about meeting with them this year. I'll come back to that. But but for the the two thousand eighteen meeting Nunez met with former Ukrainian prosecutor. General Viktor Shokhin now. Shokhin was ousted for corruption in two thousand sixteen. So these guys are all look. We all want to end. Corruption in Ukraine news is going to meet with a guy who was so corrupt. He was thrown out of office. So they're not against. Should there in favor of corruption. You guys this is. This is a very big deal. Okay because remember part of this. Impeachment investigation has already uncovered the fact that the ambassador to Ukraine okay. Maria von A- Vich was pushed out by corrupt forces within Ukraine and Victor Shokhin was one of those corrupt prosecutors. Who Wanted Maria Banovic out? Okay so you have Devon Nunez says hitting a Victor Shokhin meeting up with him and having discussions about things that are super relevant to this impeachment investigation and then you see newness sitting there. You're right at undermining the entire process defending Donald Trump. He has a giant conflict of interest. In fact he should be one of the witnesses testifying in the investigation you know. Sometimes they'll say oh shift should testify about what newness on the other hand actually was directly implicated in these same crimes xactly awesome. So why did he go to meet with joking. Apparently according to witnesses for the express purpose of talking about Biden and only buying so not like. Hey Man I'm really worried about corruption. I how about that. Ukrainian that Ukraine in no. Hey gimme dirt on so he already had that meeting in two thousand. Eighteen apparently apparently booked another meeting with him in two thousand nineteen and then he's like but he know how dumb devos's he's like. Oh shift can find out where I've been travelling you really sherlock you just figure that out and so when he found out oh shift will find out oh man because in two thousand eighteen. When he did the trip he did it during a congressional aggressions break he did it through these channels where he thought? Oh I won't get discovered because the dude thinks he's Tom Cruise in mission impossible right in his mind. He's like Bun that undone and undone right in reality. It's so obvious what he's doing so he cancels the trip in two thousand nineteen but now parnassus say yeah. He cancelled it but he told me he was going to go. And then he told me canceled because he didn't want to get caught. Yeah it's like having you know a cop who helped in committing the crime investigate that crime with the detective right like come on right so whenever. He's there undermining this entire your process. Understand that it's because according to life partners he is involved in what the trump administration is being investigated for right now. Now I definitely knows was ask some pretty tough questions. I don't normally say this by Maria Bartiromo and take a look at how he answers the question about his involvement here. Were you in the end with Shokhin. So Look Maria I really want to answer all of these questions and I I promise you absolutely will come back on the show and answer these questions but because there is criminal activity here. We're working with the appropriate law enforcement agencies breath. WE'RE GONNA file all this. Everyone's going to know the truth. Everybody's GonNa know all the facts but I think you can understand that. I can't compete by trying into trying to debate this out with the public media when ninety percent of the media are totally corrupt so understand when Nunez sites this oh there's criminal activity here. He's obviously not talking about himself. He's talking about the journalists who have reported on this story accurately right. He wants to go after them. He actually makes that clear. He wants to file lawsuits against them for reporting this story. Take a look. We are going to take bold. CNN and the daily beast likely into Federal Court Right after Thanksgiving but it was not okay to work with someone who has been indicted on various federal crime to build a media narrative and dirty up a member of Congress. But he's the one who's WHO's implicated in this case. He's the one who should have to testify as part of this impeachment investigation. He shouldn't be the one helping to conduct the impeachment investigation. Didn't this guy sues own cower. Something like she finds that criminal behavior but like what about the real criminal behavior. You're involved in. I know this is so when he eventually goes to court and says Oh. CNN might look like their freedom of speech and freedom of the press. But I didn't like what they said so I'd like you to arrest them is going to come out of court maybe quite literally like maybe have him removed from the building. That is preposterous. There's this stand on. All they're doing is third grade suffer. Oh Yeah I'm not the criminal the criminal it's the most juvenile pointless thing. There's overwhelming evidence now by one of his co conspirators. WHO's talking to the prosecutors? Saying yes he did these meetings. He tried tried to do more. By the way his aid eventually did have skype meeting apparently with Ukrainians in two thousand nineteen as well. And you say Oh yeah. It doesn't stick it on. Meet six I knew. You say it's not gonNA work at all. All they're doing is trying to run out the clock on their criminality it's At some point it is definitely going to catch out with them. Okay so I have one final element of the story because on one hand you have this evidence right and getting evidence evidence against people like Devon Nunez one thing. It's all about what you end up doing with that evidence. So will there be consequences for Devon newness and this and this from CNBC Z.. Really bothered me because it shows you. How terrible some Democrats are right? A lot of Democrats Representative Adam Smith From Washington and the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee said that Nunez would likely face a house ethics probe over allegations he sought to dig up dirt on Biden. What what what? What do you mean? Maybe I don't know we get around to it but let's allow devin nunes to be front and center during this impeachment investigation even though there's a giant conflict of interest here and he should be investigated himself no when it comes to progressive. Democrats are reliance. They they fight like hell right. So if they're going to throw one of their own underboss like Johann Omar right away right away okay. Trumped up charges made up by the right wing taken out of context who cares throw other of us are on their bus. We gotta get her right. When it's a republican skin who has potentially broken the law and his co-conspirators are talking to prosecutors and he's the lead Republican the impeachment proceedings? Maybe and then they still can't figure out why we're disgusted by Democratic leadership and how they have no fighting them at all. That's that's just the situation we're dealing with if you're not gonNA fight what's the point in this Evidence gathering process that you're doing there's really no point all right. Well let's move onto one other aspect of the impeachment update again. The evidence keeps mounting up. And this time it has to do with Mick Mulvaney so new reports in the impeachment investigation. Indicate that acting White House chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney and the budget official. He was working with tried to come up with a reason. A legal justification for why trump had decided to freeze military aid to Ukraine. After the fact so the way that Republicans and especially the White House are selling this this is well. Trump was really concerned about corruption in Ukraine. Which is why he put a freeze on that aid? But in reality behind the scenes and this is according to email evidence Mick Mulvaney had to scramble to look for a a legal justification after the fact. So let me give you the reporting a confidential White House. Counsel's Office Review Review of President. Trump's decision to place a hold on military aid to Ukraine has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate eight an after the fact justification for the decision so in early August mulvaney asked acting office of Management and Budget Director Russell Dot vote to How much longer the aid could be legally delayed and inquired about the OEM B.'s? Progress on developing a legal rationale. For the whole trump trump had made the decision in July without consulting anyone regarding the legality. Now timing is everything right and what you should know is that Mulvaney started unscrambling for legal justification. After it had become clear that the whistle blower was GONNA file a formal complaint against Donald Trump. So of all the giant stories today about How much trouble? Donald trump is in partners has got some tapes of him and Giuliani Don mcgann. As White House counsel who in order to obstruct justice might testify out of all these. This might be even bigger. Might be the biggest of all from today why here's Mulvaney. Apparently in written documentation saying find me a legal rationale meaning. There was no legal rationale. So it's after the fact that he's like let's try to make it legal so if it wasn't legal in the first place. Why did you do it? You did did it because you wanted to investigate the Biden's and it was a political decision to help Donald Trump and not the United States of America. So when you say to the Office of Management and budget okay. We already did it and you know. It's not for any legal and rational reason now. Let's invent one. You've admitted unquestionably that. What you you did was not legal exactly? And that's why it's important to have people like Mick Mulvaney testifying the impeachment investigation and based on a federal judge is ruling today. On former White House counsel Don mcgann and how he must comply with subpoenas. It's becoming more likely that Mulvaney will also have to comply with the subpoena and testified before Congress so In other important part of the stories. Ownby attorneys then asked and by the way even and if Mulvaney doesn't testify if they have the emails they could show Zeman's and so the oil NBA apparently ass Okay look we can't hold it indefinitely because that's illegal for any reason. Congress said it has to go it has to go. There's no answer butts to Ukraine so the only thing that I could possibly do do a temporary hold on it but even for temporary hold we have to have some reason right now. The reason of course that Mulvaney you wanted it in the first place because trump water for a political reason but he can't say that because that's illegal so he says well. Why don't you make like one up? So then they attorney us a scramble and try to figure out why on God's Green Earth you'd be doing a temporary hold on this on this money and by the way when all this comes to shove two days after the whistleblower complaint becomes known that's when the money gets released they're like oh no we got caught. Release the money right away right away. Because it's illegal releasing right but only after they found out about the whistleblower exactly so this is illegal eight weeks Assan may an apparently these Reports show that they knew it all along exactly and remember one of the things that you keep hearing as a defense for Donald trump is well the money. Got The release the bed. Surely they released the money. So there's no wrongdoing. They released the money. But why did they release the money and it was because of this pending investigation due due to the whistle blowers formal complaint. And by the way if you don't have an actual legal justification for even doing a temporary hold that's also illegal so saying hey I released it later after I it's like saying hey look I robbed the bank and I took the money home but then I got caught so I brought the money back. That doesn't mean you didn't do the bank robbery. It doesn't absolve you at all. I have to say out of every one seeing Mick Mulvaney squirm and maybe. I don't know I'm not an optimistic optimistic person so I'm not really thinking. This is going to happen. If he were to end up in prison it would be the best day of my life only because he has scammed so many Americans hurricanes out of money by doing these payday lenders favors. I mean there are among his biggest donors when he was in Congress so it would be nice to not a crook like him in prison he. He's been terrible to students He's been a terrible to the average. American is the bankers and the payday. The lenders best friend He lets them charge three hundred percent interest or more. And you'll be shocked to find out his top donors whereas when he was a congressman. Were payday lenders so he he's taken bribes for a living for a long time. Now they're legalize bribes because of the Supreme Court Citizens United Decision. But you know what they are and so to see him get busted and they have all of these lowlifes turn on each other which which is like seconds away from happening so mulvaney trump and rudy all turn on each other and Bolton's definitely turned on him he's just waiting to get in the ring and smash all over over the head right This is this is exactly what I envisioned. And we whispered of a dream and here they are you know. Total cereal unreal bunglers criminals to their core and now when they get caught they're going to turn on each other and it's going to be a beautiful thing to watch. We gotta go to our next break. We come back though we're going to switch gears and talk about the Democratic primaries including Bloomberg's official candidacy. We'll be right back.

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NPR News: 11-25-2019 4PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Singh. A report on the impeachment inquiry is expected to advance in the US House after Thanksgiving NPR's Claudia Goody Silas reports intelligence committee chairman. Adam Schiff notified his colleagues that the Democratic led panel is summarizing the evidence in the probe into whether president it in trump abuse of power of his office including leveraging military aid to get the new president of Ukraine to investigate a political rival once the intelligence committee hands over its report. It will be up to the House Judiciary Committee to take the lead on drafting. Any articles of impeachment in a letter to his democratic colleagues shift says the evidence from the impeachment. An inquiry shows what he calls a month long effort by president trump to seek foreign interference in US elections for his political benefit at the expense of our national interest interest. NPR's Clottey Silas Reporting Defense Secretary Mark. ASPER says it was his decision to ask for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer over his actions actions regarding a controversial navy seal but NPR's Amy Hill tells us Esperance's the president did give a direct order about the status of the officer. who had been accused of war-crimes speaking speaking from the Pentagon defense secretary Mark S for said he had to let Navy Secretary Richard Spencer go washtrust and Confidence Surfers Spencer as percents Spencer broke the chain of command by trying to negotiate directly with the White House regarding the status of chief? Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher. Gallagher was acquitted of murder but convicted of posing with an Isis corpse. ORROCK instead of leaving it to the Navy's disciplinary process. President Trump has champion Gallagher's case and the defense secretary said trump gave him a direct order over the weekend weekend about gallagher. Keeping his seal status in his try Esperance's gallagher will retire as a member of the elite force. At the the end of the month amy held. NPR News Washington at a time when trump's relationship with the US military leadership has been repeatedly tested. The president maintains he sticks up for members of the armed forces. Che's whoever critics say trump's intervention in the war crimes cases of the navy seal in two soldiers. He pardoned raises. New Concerns about the military's ability to enforce good order and discipline Glenn while the President's surprise reporters this morning with a visit in the Rose Garden from Conan the celebrated canine who reportedly cornered Isis leader. Abu Bakar Abu Dotting Tunnel. NPR's Frank Gordonia has reports on the much anticipated visit. The president had previewed in tweets. President trump is showering the military dog with praise for its role helping. US soldiers take down the leader leader of the Islamic state. Now the dog is incredible actually spent some good time with it and So brilliant success far Coenen suffered some some injuries in the raid but looked healthy in the Rose Garden wellbeing pet by Vice President Mike. Pence trump is awarded cone and with a metal plaque for the dog service which he would be putting up at the White House Franko Donas. NPR news the White House. The Dow ended the day up one hundred ninety points this is. NPR news the American Jewelry Company. Tiffany and company has accepted a proposal from the world's largest luxury company. LVMH tiffany will be sold to to the Parisian Company for more than sixteen billion dollars. NPR's Alina sell. You has that story. Tiffany is the latest jewel to join the collection of dozens of luxury brands owned owned by. LVMH obviously Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy LVMH. But also Sephora Dior chief Andy bogery and Ranas Feni beauty the French luxury conglomerate has pursued tiffany for awhile to further expand into jewelry and watches. The deal was reached after the House of Louis. Vitton sweetens the offer. It made an October tacking on almost two billion dollars. Tiffany investors will now particularly watch whether tiffany grows its presence in Europe and whether it starts to offset slowing demand in the US. That's partly due to a decline in foreign tourism to America especially by the wealthy Chinese Alina Seljuk. NPR news well in eastern Germany. Investigators are looking for clues into who is behind this morning's museum hyphen Dresden. About a billion dollars worth of jewels and other treasures were stolen lint. NPR's Rob Schmitz has more. Vive began by cutting the electricity to Dresden's Green Vault Museum. It houses one of Europe's largest collections of jewelry and court riches. The suspects then broke into the museum and Luda collection that was founded in the eighteenth century by August. The strong elector of Saxony and later King of Poland police have sealed off the building and Dresden's broke city palace and say they're still trying to work out. What's missing that's N._p._R.'s Rob Schmitz reporting? I'm Lakshmi Singh N._p._R. News.

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Covering The Threat Of White Supremacy

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Covering The Threat Of White Supremacy

"Support for this n._p._r. Podcast and the following message come from better help online counseling by licensed professional counselors specializing in issues including depression stress eddings -iety visit better help dot com slash n._p._r. To learn more and get ten percent off your first month. This is one a. I'm joshua johnson. Visiting wwl are in public media in miami. Trump urges unity versus racism. That was a page one headline in the new york times yesterday for a few hours. The times reported what mr trump said that white supremacy is bad but the headline gives the impression of him as a unifying voice on race. The paper changed the headline for later editions after people mocked and criticized it on social media. It's just one example of the ongoing debate in many newsrooms how to cover and describe racism that our dr word can be a kind of thought stopper it slams our minds shut and flings our emotions wide open. If you already believe donald trump is a racist. How does that impact the way you consume news about him. If you don't what's the right way to help you reconsider and for that matter should the news tell you what to think or just tell you the facts or maybe a bit of both joining us from saint petersburg florida is kelly mcbride the senior vice president of the poynter institute a a professional school for journalists. She is the chair of pointers craig newmark center for ethics and leadership telly welcome back to hanes asha joining us from n._p._r. New york is n._b._c.'s ben collins. He covers online extremism and disinformation ben. Welcome back at our home. Base in washington is univision's washington correspondent underpay. Sarah fed an undergrad but have you back to yes. Thank you kelly let me start with you earlier. In your career you covered white supremacists in idaho a hotel me a bit about that experience and what you learned as it related to reporting on supremacy yeah so in one of my very first first jobs in journalism. I was a police reporter in quarterlane idaho. I worked for the spokane spokesman review and i was surprised to learn there was a whole department of the f._b._i. In quarterlane and they were there to monitor the activities of the aryan nations which was was a white supremacist group that was run by richard butler and there were numerous white supremacists throughout north idaho and <hes> one of my first assignments was was to cover a skinhead march in the middle of quarterlane idaho and i was i was totally unprepared to do that and what i did with other reports the lead of other reporters at the paper <hes> was to document the ideology the things that they were saying and their critique of america in a way that that drew outrage from the rest of our community because the rest of our community felt like this was such a small group of people you know a couple of hundred two times a thousand <hes> they were so so angry at us for documenting it and what i learned in the fifteen years that i worked <hes> at that newspaper in in that community was that it was still very important to show the community who was living among us and what they believed in what they were espousing but it was also really important horton to cover the dialogue between that set of beliefs and the broader community and this was before the internet right and so so it was a it was a troubling difficult time for for us as journalists but if we did not have the complications of the internet because because in the f._b._i. Agents tell us is that when we would give them voice we would actually bring them believers also because more people would reach out to them and balancing that was very difficult as a journalist because it's not my job to tell people to to not believe something. It's my job to hold up a mirror to the community and say hey this is who you are. Do you really wanna be this ben colin since we do live in an age of the internet. I wonder what your sense is of. How covering white supremacist changed particularly since the two thousand sixteen election. I i think it's difficult. I i completely agree with what was just said there. You know <hes> we have to be extremely careful not to amplify just to just to bring about show what their messages in the context of history and show you know for example that white supremacists nations <hes> ethnos states have typically failed <hes> in show generally as well that that sort of hatred brings about a lot of death a lot of suffering in not a lot of otherwise positive things. That's that's something you have to show through context and you can say it's racist because they will admit it's racist. They are racists. Generally the difficult thing with the internet generally is that <hes> the you know things things said ed by leaders are not just echoed but they're amplified times ten <hes> because that's the point of extremism they always take ten notches above <hes> what the common i mean you know what the common rhetoric is around specific things for example immigration. You know h in fort chan these sites that are now getting a lot of attention. They were always they were pro-trump during the two thousand sixteen election but they were always a little bit further than him at every step when when he called <hes> mexicans rapist rapist yes now. Let's act on it right. That's that's the difference is that they take it to the next step on these places they you know there. There's a lot of people who say that <hes> these sites don't the people who put up these manifestos don't support the president in a lot of ways they support his rhetoric but they don't support the way he's going about handling. They want to take it another step further and that's something that we struggle with as you know as news reporters. We want to be able to say hey. These people are taking the most extreme version. The president is saying but we we don't say outright that they are you know directly working with him in any way because that's not true either but can you take us back back to last weekend and the editorial decisions that went into the coverage of the mass shooting in el paso particularly the investigation into the gunman and his views. Give me your sense of what it was like kind of in the moment making editorial decisions about what to say what not to say on how to say it well josh. I'm first of all our company. Which is <hes> you know. The network is headquartered in miami. <hes> has mobilized a lot lot of resources to el paso also to to dayton but <hes> we've had a lot of other our texas stations as well having a lot of teams there right right now and since this weekend of course the intensity of the coverage has increased not only since this weekend we have to go back to to what happened in california that we can before and gilroy elroy were also latinas were targeted <hes> so we've got to specials <hes> one last night about <hes> networks specials <hes> so one particularly centering on how latinos an or being targeted and <hes> this this goes back for a long time so this it's just a continuation of what our coverage has been since the fateful day than when donald trump announced his candidacy back in two thousand fifteen and and many many our audience felt attacked <hes>. We've you know this is deeply personal topic for for many in our in our audience within our network so basically yes we. We've <hes> increased our coverage <hes> we are. You know you have to realize realized that cure you know when when we're talking about al paso you're talking about. It's such a binational city. <hes> that <hes> we're able able to to to tap both sides of the border on this undis- particular <hes> coverage so it it's it's been and it's is going to continue obviously for the next few days and weeks. Let's add another voice to our conversation before we continue. Also this now is jane coast in a senior politics reporter for vox who focuses on white nationalism and the far-right jane welcome to the program. Thank you for so much for having me love to get your reaction before we take our first break to a clip from c._n._n.'s chris chris cuomo democratic presidential candidate beto aerobic. They spoke last night. Mister o'rourke is no passing native and has been very very outspoken about the president's rhetoric among others. I wanna get your reaction to this exchange because it's kind of at the heart of pretty much everything we're going to discuss this hour listen. I've heard the critique oh. He didn't write that he's fair enough but he said the words and he did say white. Supremacy is hate and should be treated as domestic terror important for you then to say that this is the same man who called white nationalists in klansmen and neo nazis very fine people though asked for more immigrants so look like those in sweden and norway the whitest places on the planet while describing immigrants from haiti as full of aids or countries in africa nations. This is the most racist racist presidents we've had since andrew johnson in another age in another century and he is responsible for the hatred and the violence that we're seeing right now. You cannot leave that just to me to say that it's gotta be you and those who are helping this country understand what is happening in our name to connect those dots of these actions actions that can seem unconnected or disparate or random or just strange. They're not they're all of a pattern. That's democratic presidential candidate beto o'rourke speaking talking to c._n._n.'s chris cuomo yesterday by do take mr aerobics point and it seems like the issue here is content versus context. I'd like to get your thoughts on in that jane in just a moment. I'm joshua johnson and you're listening to one a. from w. A. m. u. and n._p._r. <music> support for n._p._r. And the following message come from from carmax for more than twenty five years carmax has made it easy to sell your car they provide free appraisals and offers on the spot carmax will buy your car even if you don't buy there's in fact carmax has bought more than eight million vehicles to learn more and schedule your free appraisal visit carmax x dot com. I'm shankar danton host of n._p._r.'s hidden brain thinking deeply hyo to tell you about summer series you to point out the ideas and advice about how you can respond to life's kiosks to just check to my inbox just just just checking my phone real quick with wisdom <music> listen to hidden brain every week jane costa let me pick up with you and that statement from beto o'rourke. It seems like the issue you is kind of content versus context and how we balance those two exactly i. I'd like to note that there's been a lot of racists president since andrew johnson taking of woodrow wilson for example but i also think that there's the back and forth about the contents in the context next is worth having because i think one of the things that i get really concerned about working on this beat is that everything is so tied to trump you. White nationalism has a long history in this country white. Nationalist violence is a long history in this country. The worst domestic terror attack that ever took place in this country was oklahoma city bombing on on april nineteenth nine hundred ninety four and that obviously took place well before the trump presidency but i do think that the context be constant uses <music> of certain terminology and how much trump the view that the trump administration and trump himself seems to have his own base that his base will respond best asked to that kind of messaging. I think that that's something and i'm glad that you're both quavo at work kind of picked up on. I think it's concerning when this becomes about you. This is because of trump no this is because of the long history of white nationalism and white nationalist sentiment that existed in this country for decades. This is because does law enforcement has been unwilling around able to really challenge how radicalization takes place. It has how took place in nineteen eighties now it takes place today but i think that having a conversation about what the context with the context in which shootings are taking place it's happening and how that ties to this current presidency. I think that that's our conversation asia while worth having we asked you what you wanted from the press after these twin tragedies this weekend in el paso dayton glad to have gotten the number of your voicemails including including this one from cindy that landed in our in box. My name is cindy from tucson. Arizona and i hold trump responsible for all of this hate in this country we can. We talk about him. Re tweeting <hes> a white supremacist from england katie hopkins who called immigrants cockroaches and called for a final final solution for muslims. How about <hes> his supporters yelling shoot them. When trump asked what we should do about this invasion immigrants. Let's talk about that plays a little bit cindy good point thank you for bringing those up and just by way of context cindy is referring to a campaign rally that president trump held in panama city florida back in may where he said something to the effect of what should we do about this invasion and someone in the audience yelled shoot them and then people started laughing and the president said something to be effective. Only in panama city could get away with that only earn panama city and everybody had a pretty good laugh about that but ben collins with regards to what cindy said in terms of re tweets. What's your perspective on that so you said only in the panhandle. Could you get away with that. What's sure perspective on that. Some people have taken the president to task for what he's written. Others have taken them to task for what he has kind of amplified. Do we count both both of those the same do we contextualized those differently. How do you see it so it is a coordinated campaign strategy <hes> by the trump campaign generally <hes> what he re tweets in who he re tweets he he does in fact dig pretty deep into twitter to find random for example pune on accounts accounts recently which is a conspiracy theory that believes that hillary clinton is <hes> like a satanist pedophile he dug deep to re tweet those is people recently or somebody on his staff as and that's that is part of a campaign strategy that he has deployed <hes> ever since <hes> brad personnel who used to be digital israel director became his campaign director. <hes> parcel is known to be a part of what i would call the maga- internet <hes> the you know. He's a <hes>. He said he's beyond the donald which is a read it <hes> forum where a lot of a lot of really gross stuff happens <hes> that's where a lot of these memes come from from an that's how they get pushed up to the top <hes> and frankly those sorts of means in those spaces intermingle with white nationalist rhetoric in white supremacist assist rhetoric and other white nationalist forums generally they share lots of user bases so those talking points can seep in <hes> through that sort of thing in in it is again. It's part of a coordinated digital campaign strategy. Let don't disassociate those two things <hes> they know what what they're doing. This is very deliberate so yet. That's that's the difference here is that you know he is he is he understands that he's dog whistling and <hes> that can't be discounted for none of the washington post. Margaret sullivan wrote a column on sunday. Asking quote can the news media go on a righteous crusade about gun laws or white supremacy while maintaining their roles as truth tellers unquote. I put this to you partly because what had almost who is is the primary anchor of not sierra leone which the nightly newscast on univision has been quite outspoken on a number of matters related to immigration to the president he still the lester holt of univision and there are a lot of networks that have to kind of figure out this balance of being able to speak to the soles of their audience while still still doing straight ahead shoe leather reporting. How do you see that that balance. Do we have enough time well we we've had as i said earlier we have to take it back to that fateful day of the announcement of his of his candidacy when he came down the escalator in new york and <hes> and he basically basically insulted <hes> referred to mexicans <hes> you may re you may recall that the outrage among latinos <hes> <hes> about the words that trump <hes> spoke then at that speech <hes> basically they went through all types of nationalities <hes> <hes> you know all the tino's in many teams in the us fell defended even puerto ricans who are u._s. Citizens and then you go back to corky who was kicked out of a press conference by donald trump himself in iowa during the primary season in two thousand fifteen and so i think it's become personal personal in a way but at the same time we have to we were talking about content versus context. You know we we have not called on the air or on our digital coverage of trump racist. You know we still use attribution to see who who is calling calling his comments racist and that's very important kelly mcbride with regards to context. Let me play a clip from a story that c._n._n. Sarah side ner did last month about white supremacy. This was after president trump tweeted a number of racist tweets against four progressive congresswoman. I on presley alexandria cossio cortez ilhan omar mar and retreated to leave in the course of that report. She spoke to richard spencer an avowed white supremacist a leader of the so-called alt-right. Here's a a piece of that story with sarah ciders narration within it and then kelly. I'd like to get your take on it on the other side. Listen white nationalist richard spencer who hailed trump when he was first elected is among those who are turning on trump. Many white nationalist will eat up. This red meat that donald trump is throwing out there. I am not one of them. I recognize the con game that is going on. They say trump's is all talk and no action kim on maintaining white dominance in america he gives us nothing outside of racist tweets and by racist tweets i mean tweets that are meaningless list and cheap and express the kind of sentiments you might hear from your drunk uncle while he's watching hannity yes that was richard spencer the man in who championed the two thousand seventeen unite the right rally in charlottesville virginia who believes that whites should live separately from non whites jewish people him calling the president's indi- tweet outright racist but to be clear there are many white nationalist supremacists neo nazis whatever racist group they adhere to who believe the president is still their choice. That's a clip from a piece by c._n._n. Sarah signer that aired last month now kelly. Would you unpack that for us on one hand. She does attempt contextualized his statements on the other hand she interviewed a white supremacist got his perspective on the air. How do we balance that well in particular. I think she missed the point because what he was saying is all he does is talk racism but he doesn't enact any policies to protect white people people he doesn't make racist policies in that's spencer's objection to the president not that he's racist and racism is a bad thing but there's there's no. There's no action behind his racist words in so i think you know the the danger the danger and giving having somebody like spencer a platform is <hes> you make him you legitimize him and you make him more attractive to to people who would would <hes> who would support him in a variety of ways including taking action on his suggestions the problem is that <hes> mm for democracy to work all the citizens need to know what the lay of the land looks like and so you need to know as a citizen that this philosophy exists and that the president either is or is not doing enough to placate these people and you you you have an obligation nations to to to reconcile your own moral choices against that backdrop but as journalists it is it is very difficult called particularly in the broadcast medium to do good journalism on this because you end up doing you end up both doing good and harm you you educate the public and you amplify a fringe message. Drink coast and i wonder how you see it. I mean this this idea of doing good and harm. I understand in terms of amplifying thing richard spencer on the other hand. I need to know that there is a richard spencer out there in what he thinks i mean james baldwin once said not everything that is faced can be changed changed but nothing can be changed until it is faced. How can you do anything about richard spencer until you hear in the clear regardless of how you feel about him. How can we do anything about it if we don't hear exactly what he thinks the thing is. We're not hearing exactly what what he thinks you. Richard spencer is a white nationalist. Who's also a fairly. He practiced media professional. He will say things that will be reflective of what he wants you to know it's actually markedly similar to how we treat up terrorist arrest manifestos terrorist manifestos diaries they were meant to be shared immensely spread richard spencer believes in a pass the supports a concept of passive of ethnic cleansing of the united states and i think that i i've spent a lot of time talking to white nationalists talking about white nationalism and when you talk to them they they very much try to position their views in a way that they think you will find less offensive for instance one white nationalist i spoke to you talked about his opposition addition to what he called race nixon as in a mixed race marriages by mentioning that mohammed ali it seemed to say the same thing in the nineteen sixty seven as if that would be something i would respond to by saying like oh yes muhammad. Ali opposes my parents marriage. I should be fine with that also and i think it's worth noting you racist live because racism is built on lies and i think that when we're talking about richard spencer it's worth noting both you know i understand the urge to kind of want to hear what he's saying saying but he is saying what he thinks you want to hear yet when richard spencer is talking to peter brim low or to others at your people at american renaissance others within within the world of professional white nationalist right. He is talking very differently than how he's going to talk to c._n._n. In a way that's going to see him placating and kind where what he's talking about. Racism though is michael panelist points out he saying that trump isn't doing enough racist actions. He's just saying racist things and joe but he's he means that he doesn't approve the lack of action ben collins. I'd love to get your sense of how you deal with that kind of content. When you kind of can't avoid it when it's your when it's your beat we got a positive minute. I i'd like to get your sense of some of the guiding principles some of the techniques some of the <hes> the standards that you keep in mind when you're doing that work. Let me get to a few of your comments before we pause the sixty four bus tweeted the news should not tell people what to think that is opinion not news in order to be called a news program. They should only be able to report the facts. This is one of the biggest problems with are twenty four hour quote unquote news cycle. We need more facts less opinion kyle wrote on our facebook page. I don't know why media sugar coats everything from our leaders no matter who they are if they lie call it a lie if they say something racist saying it if they say something hypocritical call it out in no uncertain terms arms waikato those who are supposed to lead good point kyle there are certain things. I gotta say that i'm perfectly fine calling out someone who for example says climate change. It has nothing to do with human activity. Where is it okay to call someone out. Stay close support for this n._p._r. Podcast and the following message edge come from the united states postal service every day. Innovative companies are reinventing the way business happens but none of that is possible without the right people people who who get packages to over one hundred fifty million delivery points affordably and on time with the latest technology and expertise who can help you deliver the future sure of commerce the united states postal service see why they deliver more ecommerce packages to homes than any one in the country at u._s._p._s. dot com slash future. Hey it's adelson host of n._p._r.'s latino u._s._a. Every week we bring you a mix of reporting diverse diverse voices and coverage of current and emerging issues that impact our lives let the u._s._a. Is one of kind featuring stories from the heart stories stories that make you think and maybe even inspire you to action. Listen and subscribe now ben. Let me pick up where we left off in terms of your best practices for reporting on extremism jane. I'd love to know if you would add anything to <hes>. Ben starts with ben. How how do you handle this <hes>. It's a very delicate balance definitely more art than science. At this point i think using the richard spencer example specifically he views us as a weapon in a war for white supremacy and that's something that we have to take into account and we deal with him. <hes> there's this thing called the overton written window which the right talks about a lot <hes> a better way of colloquially talking about it is called working the refs basically they always want to take <hes> <hes> they viewed that there is a center that is movable that if you move things to the right enough that the center will move along with it and every time people like richard spencer or media manipulators generally and frankly a lot of the right wing media ecosystem right now works in this fashion they view access to mainstream stream press as inability to move entire political ecosystem in their direction and there are people on the left the to this as well. Obviously this is this is a well-worn path but when you allow people to get in unfettered weaponized message out as a way to poison the the pipes basically poisoned the information pipes then you are allowing toxic sewage to go through that pipe so if you allow a man man to you know who's who's a professional manipulator. He's a professional racist like richard. Spencer is to come on and say his precise message in a way that will allow white supremacy to be more accepted. You're doing the work for him. You need to conceptualize who he is. You need to take his you take his weapon away from him. You need to allow him to exist because he is obviously in existence distance and a person who is a newsmaker. You can't allow him to spread his message on his own terms when you we know how dangerous it can be last month n._p._r. Decided to call the number of tweets from president trump directing that group of female lawmakers to go back to their home countries racists the ones we mentioned before the four progressive congresswoman that resulted in an opinion piece that was on n._p._r. Dot org from n._p._r.'s v._p. Of newsroom training and diversity keith woods who used to be with the poynter institute worth noting keith argued that n._p._r. News should not call the president's tweets racist and he discussed it on n._p._r. Podcast podcast code switch if you were applying the standards that we applied to <hes> what the president said sunday i i can't think of how many times we ought to have referred to two languages racist using that standard and and my i overall problem is that we don't really have a standard and i'm not arguing this because we're inconsistent. I'm arguing this because we sit on a very fragile credibility as a profession different from every every other profession out there and that credibility rests in part on the view of the public that we are art maintaining some distance. Our judgments are morals some distance from the things that we're covering. That's n._p._r.'s vice president in the newsroom. Training and diversity keith woods shaneco. How does that compare or contrast with the way that you approach these kinds of stories for me. I came came into the world of generous through sports and so when i was covering say the n._f._l. Or college football. It's very easy to just be like this is what happened. Here's here's what this person said. Here's what the score was. Here's how this playworks at and i'm your i am much more willing to say that something is racist because not not because i think that there is some sort of deep moral power behind calling something racist which i think we're seeing clearly right now that a lotta people who think that they are deeply troubled by racism on all sides of the aisle actually aren't but i think that it is a description. It is not an insult. It is not you you're we've seen a lot of people who seem to be extremely offended by being called racist almost more offended than they would be by the racism itself. It's a description scripture and i think in many cases that we've been seeing more recently. It's accurate. I'm completely willing to say that you're someone who takes part in racist actions ends who puts forward racist policies or with the intent of causing harm to communities of non white people of which i am art. I am completely fine with calling that racist. I mean i didn't go to journalism school but i can see what racism is. J two tweeted personally. I just want to hear the facts and four-mile four-mile opinion but lately. I've noticed that there is a need to educate some folk especially those who've never had to worry about racism. Also i do enjoy it when lying pundits politicians are fact checked in real time kelly. I wonder if there is ever a point from your view in which the ethical guidelines kind of point to we have to say something about that so the first thing you have to do is gathered the evidence you have to report the story you have to report the connections between people who are working in the trump administration and their belief systems and you have to identify who is influencing influencing this president and then when you have all the goods that's when you call it out and that's what we need journalism to do now is not just us to observe but to observe and make conclusions <hes> but you can only do that with a lot of work. It's very very hard to do on cable television television when you have twenty four hours a day to fill it takes a lot of resources and that's what we're we're relying on dream anything you would add to that. I think that the most important thing here you know a lot of stories have recently focused on how racism or racist invective plays among white audiences dances and white voters but not among the people who are most impacted by racist invective and those are communities of color. You know i think that the people who you you know i'm sure you and i and a lot of non white journalists right now our email inboxes look a little bit different than the people we work alongside and that's not even i'm beginning to talk about the people who were killed in el paso the people who were killed at the tree of life synagogue. The bill lives have been shattered by white nationalism even when it doesn't come to <unk> abject violence. I think there's we need to focus on the victims of white nationalism not on whether or not it's politically effective ben anything you would add. I think that's precisely right. I think we have underplayed <hes> what happens to victims in in and we don't check keen on them. After this takes place we don't check in on these families months later because it's no longer in the news but we always check in on on anti-immigrant rhetoric and we always he's checking on if it's <hes> if it's a positive thing or a negative thing about what the president's talking about but we don't we don't talk about the permanent effects. This has has on people once they lose a family member or once they've seen shooting in. Maybe the maybe even they got out alive. We don't talk about that because it's complicated indicated and it doesn't fit in the moment of our new judgment. Ben collins covers disinformation extremism and the internet for n._b._c. news ben. Thanks for spending the hour with us. Thank you kelly mcbride the senior v._p. At the poynter institute and chair of the craig newmark center for ethics and leadership kelly thank you you're welcome jane coast senior politics reporter at vox with focus on white nationalism jane. We appreciate your time. Thanks very much. Thank you so much for having me and univision's washington correspondent. He saw that you've had an under tankage. It's been a busy two days in our entire. Team has come together to put these shows together. You learn more about them at the one eight dot org slash slash staff. This program comes to you from w. a._m._u. Part of american university in washington distributed by n._p._r. Until we meet again i'm joshua johnson. Thanks you're listening. This is one aw this episode is sponsored by the federal communications commission with a message for everyone using a tv antenna to watch local channels plants rescan as is t._v. Broadcast frequencies change for more information go to f._c._c. dot gov slash t._v. rescan.

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Michael Bloomberg is running for President.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:19 min | 9 months ago

Michael Bloomberg is running for President.

"Coming up on five minute news all former New York man. Michael Bloomberg is running for President Pentagon chief Fires Navy secretary over seal Israel controversy and London will not renew buubas license. It's Monday in November twenty five. I'm Anthony Davis Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg is making a late entry into the presidential race a move that could upend the Democratic nominating contest. This spring Bloomberg said in a statement that he is running to rebuild America and defeat president trump whom he says represents an existential threat to our country and our values if he wins another term in office we may never recover from the damage. The statement says the stakes could not be higher and we must begin rebuilding building America. I believe a unique set of experiences in business government and philanthropy will enable me to win and lead his decision vision to join the race less than three months before voters start to cast. Ballots is a reflection of his view that the current field of Democratic candidates is not positioned to defeat trump trump in a general election and the candidate with his experience and centrist. Politics would have a better chance of doing so. Bloomberg is one of the world's richest men and we'll end to the campaign with an unparalleled financial resource to tab another billionaire and deep-pocketed donuts Democratic Causes Tom Steyer and to the race in July Bloomberg had been actively preparing to launch a presidential bid for some time and in recent weeks had filed to appear on ballots in several states raising being speculation that he would indeed joined the race. He was first elected mayor as a Republican in two thousand and one was Republican for much of his political career Bloomberg registered as an independent in two thousand seven and rejoined the Democratic Party in October. Twenty eighteen Defense Secretary Mark Espada has fired the Navy's top official and dig a stunning clash between Donald. Donald Trump and top military leadership over the fate of a seal accused of war crimes in Iraq. ASPER said yesterday that he had lost the confidence. Since in Navy Secretary Richard Spencer and alleged Spencer proposed a deal with the White House behind his back to resolve the seals case trump has championed the matter of Navy Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher who was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of an Islamic state militant captive but convicted of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in two thousand seventeen. Spence's firing was a dramatic turn in the fast changing and politically charged controversy. Lucy it exposes fishes in trump's relationship with the highest ranks of the US military and raised questions about the appropriate role of commander in chief off. In matters of military justice. Gallagher was demoted from chief. Petty Officer First Class Petty Officer after his conviction by a military jury. Sorry trump however restored gallagher's rank this month in a letter to trump acknowledging. My Termination Spencer said he had concluded you did that. He and the president appear no longer to share the same understanding of the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience. It's obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family my flag and my faith to support and defend the constitution of the united could states. He wrote he did not cite a specific order. Chief Pentagon spokesman. Jonathan Hoffman said. espy's position had been that the navy disciplinary process assess should be allowed to play itself out objectively and deliberately London's transportation regulator has refused to renew Uber's licensed to operate in the UK capital saying the company is not fit and proper to to run a private right hiring service. The city says Uber Systems repeatedly allowed unauthorized drivers to pick up passengers. We think this decision decision is wrong and we will appeal UBER'S UK division says adding three and a half million people use UBER APP and services in London transport offer. London says Uber's Computer Systems Allowed Unauthorized drivers to upload their photos to other Uber drivers accounts and take on customers as if they were the uber. Uber driver something to regulate said happened on at least fourteen thousand trips identifying another problem the regulator says former Uber drivers who had been dismissed dismissed or suspended were able to elude punishment simply by creating a new uber account and carrying passengers again. Uber has twenty one. I'm days to lodge an appeal and can continue to operate. During any appeals process. Uber remains a popular option in London. Particularly as the city's famous Amos black cabs charge considerably. 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Trump Fires Navy Secretary; Will Allow Eddie Gallagher to Retire As Navy SEAL

NPR Politics Podcast

15:02 min | 9 months ago

Trump Fires Navy Secretary; Will Allow Eddie Gallagher to Retire As Navy SEAL

"Hi I'm Brady and I'm Lydia. Brady's mom we're in Madison Wisconsin on the ongoing quest to tour all fifty state capitol buildings. This is our thirty the second state capital. Wow on this trip. We've Seen Indianapolis des Moines and Saint. Paul we also saw Joe Biden in Knoxville Iowa. This podcast was was recorded at two seven. PM On Monday November twenty fifth. Things may have changed by the time you hear this like we may have seen our thirty third state capital. Enjoy the show. Can I tell you what I think. My underrated capitalists within Harrisburg Mark. Interesting you would not expect it absolutely beautiful Capitol building. I spent a lot of time in the Illinois State Capitol which is where some of reese witherspoon scenes from legally blonde were filmed. I prefer state capitals with Golden Dome Harrisburg West Virginia Charleston. West Virginia has a beautiful golden. Dome Brady let us know when you hit all all fifty as of J.. Though Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer has been fired over how he handled the case of a navy. Seal accused of warcrimes. Since we've been essentially immersed in impeachment speaking for myself I think we should start with a little bit of background on the case before we get to what went down on and what the politics are. So this case involves Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher Phil can you just give us a little bit of background on who gallagher is sure this is a a classic trump story about can the president do it yes he can. The question is should he. And that's where people are divided as we're recording this podcast. Today Eddie. Gallagher is a navy each chief special warfare operator. He was in the seals and served in Iraq and the fight against Isis. He was accused of some very serious war-crimes they're in a navy court martial. That was itself very a problematic and he became a cost celeb- for Fox News and some other supporters on the rights. Because of the way the navy handled that case ultimately he was acquitted of murder charge but he was found guilty of posing with a body that had been killed in the conflict with Isis in Iraq and then the navy began the process of deciding what his punishment would be. It decided to take away one of his ranks taking him down to Petty Officer First Class and theoretically he could have lost his affiliation with the seals the so-called try and pin that seals are allowed to wear on their uniforms. That's that's what brings us up to now because the president has intervened first of all to restore his rank as a chief petty officer and he's told the Defense Department that gallagher is going to be able to keep his tried Freiden pin end his affiliation with the seals some are. Why did the president decide to weigh in on this case? Well this follows a pattern for the president. He generally doesn't like to to work within established channels. He doesn't take advice from his own administration. He sees that on Fox News Gallagher had become claws celebre not unlike how he pardon some prisoners after the Kardashians and Kanye West lobbied him about them so he not only intervened in the case of chief gallagher but he also pardoned two other soldiers against Pentagon recommendations he issued pardons to army Major Matthew Golstein who had faced a murder trial and former first lieutenant. Clint Lawrence who was convicted in the murder of two unarmed men in Afghanistan galleries been doing a lot the media around this and he was on Fox News this weekend. You know I just WanNa retire peacefully with with all the honors that I've earned get back to my family and I don't know how many many times I think the president he keeps stepping in and doing the right thing and I just wanted. I want to let them know that the rest of the community is not about this right now. They they all respect the president. And what the admiral is doing showing complete. Insubordination is not a good example of Good Order and discipline you say this issue. And the admiral he's referring to in that clip is Colin Green who oversees the Navy seals. So Gallagher says the rank in files behind him but the brass isn't but the brass is where Richard shared. Spencer comes into play in this story after. President trump makes this announcement not everyone at the Pentagon's onboard right. That's right. There was some press reports over the past couple of days. That suggested that Spencer Spencer the Navy secretary and some other leaders in the navy might resign rather than go along with directions from the White House to let Gallagher keep this tried into seal device and retire honourably from the navy. They view his crimes and this process is being essential to what you'll hear people call good order and discipline within the force. There has to be a process process that plays out and people who are subject to that process must honor those outcomes question about the Trident. Pin Isn't more symbolic or is it actual lowering of rank because he not allowed to wear a pin anymore just been hearing a lot about the trident pen and I don't understand if it's just a matter of being able to wear it or if it actually does signify some kind of punishment it's intensely symbolic symbolic because the Trident is. What seals are awarded? Once they come through the incredible infamously grueling training process that we'd them out and select switch small numbers of them will actually actually go on and become active members of the team. And if you get it taken away it means you're not eligible to be a member of these elites seal units and take those assignments so even at the end of his career career losing this trident pin would have been very symbolic for him to have begun his career as a seal but not to end it that way. Now the firing of Richard Spencer gets a little confusing and and there was a lot of events that happened over the course of the weekend one was these reports that Spencer was part of a group of navy officials. Don't weren't happy about it. But then the secretary of Defense Mark Esber says that Spencer was actually doing some behind the scenes. Maneuvering that basically pissed a lot of people off. That's right it's very a complicated story and we may not have the full picture as we're talking Mondays. We record this podcast. But here's what appears to have happened. Spencer said those reports were wrong that he was going to step down. He said he was not going to step down. But what we've since learned is that he was talking in a back channel with the White House about a review board that had been set up for Gallagher's Trident Pin and and what he apparently said was please. Mr President. Let this board play out and have gallagher retired with his chief petty officer rank in his seal device device. But just don't intervene. It's important for this process to be seen as the final word and for you the White House not to intervene with this but the defense secretary. WHO's above the Navy secretary? More Gaspar apparently learn about this and according to what he said. Spencer was not forthright with him about this back channel that he had with the White House went outside the chain of command correct. So not only did he go outside the chain of command within the Defense Department. He may not have told the truth about a to the defense secretary and that became problematic. The other complicating factor. Here is the president had expressed on twitter that he wanted gallagher to keep his rank and his trident pin but he had never actually said that directly wasn't written claiming defense official Espera went to go see trump trump. According to the defense secretary said you need to make sure this Eddie Gallagher situation is resolved the way I want and so he decided to do that. And as a part of that process having discovered that there. Was this other line between Spencer in the White House. ASPER said that Spencer had to go. The president is the commander in chief. He has every Right Authority Liam privileged to do what he wants to do or you to basically make sure his absolute. What message does that send to the troops that basically you're pulling the plug on random review board president commander in chief and that was secretary of Defense Mark Esper- being questioned by NPR's Pentagon correspondent? Tom Bowman so Esper- says Spencer had to go. He serves at the pleasure of the president and he did this back. Channel thing that I didn't support and he was trying to affect an outcome of navy process gotta go but Spencer Mara has a different take on what went down right right. I mean just to repeat again. The president is the commander in chief. He can remove anyone for any reason in the military but in his resignation letter where he accepted accepted the fact that his service was being terminated. He said he couldn't in good conscience. Obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family. My flagging again my faith to support and defend the constitution of the United States and he went on to say quote. Unfortunately it's become apparent that in this respect I no longer share the same understanding standing with the commander in chief who appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline so for Spencer part of good order and discipline was having at this military judicial system which is supposed to be have some amount of independence operate without political interference. Run its course. Even though he seems to have been negotiating an outcome that would also satisfy the president this is a recurring theme. In the trump presidency. There is no law that says says the president can't order his Justice Department to investigate his political opponents. It's a norm. The Justice Department is supposed to have some kind of independence. There's no law that says the president has to accept the findings of his own. CIA and intelligence community. President trump keeps on coming into conflict with all of these fact-based east institutions. We hear a lot about norms. Norms are not laws but norms at the very heart. Mean that you show some restraint just because you can do something legally you don't do it and the president doesn't subscribe to that theory of leadership. All right I think that's a good place to take a break and when we get back we'll talk about the political impacts of Spencer's firing support for this podcast. And the following message come from K.. Buxbaum in support of the David Gilkey and Zaba ULITSA Monta Memorial Fund established to strengthen NPR's commitment to training and protecting journalists in high risk environments. I know we'd all I love the holidays to be this happy stress-free joyful time but let's be real that is not always the case. NPR's Life Kit is answering your holiday questions and helping you. Navigate family dynamics all season long new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life kit and we're back and Phil. I want to start with you because you've reported a lot on the military. It doesn't seem very common for the commander in chief to have as many public confrontations since with the senior brass president trump has had with his military leaders. Spencer seems like just the latest in a long line of people. James Madison's another who comes to mind that's that's right as we heard more talking about before the break trump is his own man and he does his own thing. He's a total new kind of president in terms of dealing with national security and foreign policy at every free level at a macro level. He broke very strongly with defense secretary. Mattis about the question of Syria and supporting the Kurdish forces there at a micro level. He's breaking king with the leaders of the Navy and the Defense Department over the case involving one individual person in this chief Eddie Gallagher because it's caught the president's attention but it's not taking place in a vacuum the other reason the gallagher cases important is that it's downstream of years and months of problems inside the naval special warfare community the broader agency or institution. Tusch in the Navy that runs the seals and the admiral. We heard Gallagher talk about early in the show. Emerald Colin Greene sent out a very rare open directive to the seals earlier this year in which he wrote this. We have a problem. That's bold and underscored some of our substitute formations have failed to maintain good order and discipline. There's is that phrase again. I don't know yet if we have a culture problem. I do know that we have a good order and discipline problem. That must be addressed immediately. Why was he saying this? A A seal platoon was recalled from Iraq because it was boozing and carrying on and not dire am Seals in Virginia allegedly were in a cocaine drug ring. There have I've been this gallagher case. And the Navy really wants to clamp down on this. They actually should directive separate from this banning seals from having cool facial hair you know Special Operation Operations forces are unique in the military. They often have cool guy patches as they're called or beards and long hair that all went away. Because the navy was trying to clamp down and so of all the the things to happen at the end of this gallagher process. It's possible to imagine it being very problematic for the Navy special warfare community to have trump make the whole gallagher situation go away with the wave of wand given that the navy was trying so hard to impose good order and discipline for months good order and discipline also means that there actually is a military code of conduct even in Warfare Fair even in a combat zone. There are certain things that you can't do like killing unarmed captive in other words. There's some kind of a standard that American warriors are supposed to uphold old and trump has pushed back against that standard. Ever since he was a candidate you know he talked about torture. Being good works he would kill terrorists and their families and and he really has pushed back against this notion that there should be some restraints. On what soldiers do when they're serving abroad Mardi any blowback for the commander in chief on this question or is it just a matter of Good Base Politics Gallagher's he's big on Fox News. I know a lot of conservative. Media has made him a hero. Oh and I think that a lot of the president supporters. Look at him as sort of doing the right thing. It's no doubt that it's good. Based politics. The question is at what point do these. This cumulative conflicts with the military whether it's this sense of general mattis that the president was not respecting. Our allies are taking our alliances sciences seriously or undercutting our allies in the case of Syria. You heard interview after interview anonymously with military officers when the president tweeted and our removal from Syria that they felt sick that we were abandoning the Kurds. And so I don't know if there's a cumulative effect over time that he it just undermines morale in the officer corps but there's no doubt that in the short term good based politics for President Trump so Richard Spencer out what happens now to the job job. The president has said that he intends to nominate Ken Braithwaite. WHO's the ambassador to Norway? Who is a former admiral to become the next secretary of the navy? There'll be a Senate Senate confirmation process the way they're always with these jobs and we'll have to see in that confirmation process. What kind of second is we call them? Braithwaite will be where he is on a lot lot of the big issues which is what the Navy secretary does ninety nine point nine percent of the other time buying ships by near planes buying weapons and running the machinery of the Navy Department. Wow I learned something new. Fill your own second fourth kind of compliment that I said all right. That's it for today. Hey we'll be back tomorrow until then had to NPR dot org slash politics newsletter to subscribe to our weekly roundup of the best online analysis. That will show show up in your inbox every Saturday to let you know what happened that week and what it all means. I'm Susan Davis I cover Congress. I'm still doing security editor and I'm Mara Liasson national political of correspondent and thank you for listening to N._p._R. Politics podcast.

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Secret White House emails show after-the-fact efforts to justify Trump holding Ukraine aid

The Daily 202's Big Idea

14:13 min | 9 months ago

Secret White House emails show after-the-fact efforts to justify Trump holding Ukraine aid

"Hello we're Ecuador as a global energy leader we're working hard to reduce methane emissions and our carbon footprint Good Morning I'm James Hillman. From The Washington Post and this is the daily to Oh to for Monday November twenty fifth in today's views. The Secretary of the navy is out. Mike Bloomberg is in and pro-democracy parties score stunning gains in local elections across across Hong Kong. But first the big idea a confidential White House review review of President Trump's decision to place a hold on military aid Ukraine has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate generate an after the fact justification for the decision three people familiar with the records. Say the internal communications also reveal an intense debate over whether the delay was legal. The research for the White House counsel's office includes early. August email exchanges between acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and White House budget officials seeking to provide an explanation for withholding the funds after the president had already ordered a hold in mid-july on about four hundred million dollars in key Security Security Assistance White House lawyers expressing alarm that the review is turned up unflattering exchanges and bad facts that could at a minimum embarrass the president and also give fresh fodder for those pursuing impeachment in the early August email. Exchanges Mulvaney asked Acting O. M. B. Director Russ vote for an update on the legal rationale for withholding the aid and how much longer they could get away with the laying. It trump had made the decision the prior month without any assessment of the reasoning or legal justification emails show vote and omb staffers then arguing over whether withholding aid was legal or not while officials at the national all Security Council and the State Department protested vigorously O. M. B. Lawyers said that it was legal to withhold the aid as long as they deemed it. A temporary hold Malvinas request for information came days after the White House. Counsel's office was put on notice that an anonymous CIA official had made a complaint to that agencies agencies General Counsel About Trump's July twenty fifth call to Ukrainian President Vladimir Lewinsky this official would later file a whistleblower complaint with the intelligence communities as inspector general which brought all of this eventually to the public's attention my colleagues Josh Doc- Carol Leonard. Tom Hamburger. Who broke this story last night? Say that the in house document production has exacerbated growing tensions between White House counsel Pats Baloney and Mulvaney and his team sipple ONI is tightly controlling access to his findings and Malvinas. AIDS are complaining. That simple only isn't briefing them or other White House officials giving them important the information that they say they need to get their stories straight when they're responding to public inquiries. The result has been contradictory messaging from the White House movies. Lawyer Bob Bob Driscoll declined to comment and simple only didn't respond to requests for comment. The emails revealed by White House lawyers include some in which Mulvaney urges vote his protege to immediately focus on Ukraine's aid package making it clear that this was a top priority for trump himself. The Legal Office launched this fact-finding view of internal records in a protective mode both to determine what the records might reveal about internal administration conversations and also to help. The white has produced a timeline to defend trump's decision and his public comments along with examining documents. The White House counsels review has also involved interviewing in some key officials involved in handling Ukraine in dealing with complaints and concerns in the aftermath of that July. Twenty Fifth Call Cipriani's office has focused focused mostly in closely on correspondence that could be subject to public records. Requests those which involve discussions between staff at the White House ended other agencies internal White House. Records are not subject to federal public records law. This called foil law but messages that include officials at federal agencies like state are and the truism in these sorts of scandals is always follow the money and that once again appears to be the case in the Ukraine affair. The Wall Street Journal Journal is reporting this morning that love parse eager fruman the to Rudy Giuliani associates were indicted and arrested as they tried to flee the country with one way. Tickets tried to recruit a Ukrainian energy executive to join them in a proposed takeover of the official state oil and Gas Company which represents ten percent of Ukraine's trains GDP and Bloomberg news reports. That Giuliani himself. Also discussed representing a state owned Ukrainian Bank. That was in a legal dispute over the summer at the same time. He was pressing the Ukrainian government on behalf of trump. Though he ultimately didn't take on that client the talks underscore his enthusiasm for foreign buck raking and his his willingness to insert himself in matters rife with potential conflicts of interest in fact the Ukrainian bank that he was in negotiations with is entangled in a legal dispute with its former owner owner who has close ties to Ukraine Presidents Alinsky and is the subject of federal investigation in the United States Congressman Devin Nunez meanwhile the ranking taking Republican on the House. Intelligence Committee says that reports he met with ex Ukrainian prosecutor. General Viktor Shokhin in Vienna to obtain Information Shen about the Biden's were false. The allegation was made by an attorney for Parnasse. The Giuliani associate. Who says that? He helped set up meetings for Nunez in Europe. A few months back on Fox News Nunez declined to answer any questions about the accusation simply saying they're false and threatening to sue anyone who reported them House Armed Services Committee Chairman Adam Smith a Democrat from Washington said this weekend that it's quite likely quote without question that Nunez will face an ethics ethics investigation over the tax payer funded trip and meetings with Shokhin partners has reportedly provided the House Intelligence Committee with audio photos in video recordings but what these records show is unclear and the chairman of the Committee Democrat Adam Schiff of California said. His team is pressing ahead in preparing an impeachment report. Even though several key witnesses have refused to testify and shift says the investigation is continuing during a half hour interview Sunday on CNN Schiff. I've said the evidence against trump is already overwhelming now. A federal judge is expected to rule later today on. Whether former White House counsel Don mcgann again must testify under subpoena before Congress if the judge rules that he needs to that could clear the way for other White House. Officials like former national security adviser the John Bolton to also appear Schiff said Sunday that time is of the essence and the Democrats will continue to investigate even after they submitted their report to the House Judiciary Committee and potentially even as a trial convenes in the Senate. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on on your radar number one. The Pentagon said last night. That Defense Secretary Mark Asper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer on Sunday after losing confidence in him over his handling of the case of a navy seal accused of war. Crimes and Iraq. Spencer's ouster is another dramatic. Turn in the story of chief. Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher. A navy seal. Who was accused of committing war crimes? During the two thousand seventeen deployment gallagher was acquitted of murder but convicted. This July of posing for picture with the corpse of an Islamic state prisoner trump weighed in on this decision on twitter. Accusing the Navy of mishandling the gallagher case rather than criticising how the navy pursued sued the case however asper said that Spencer privately proposed to White House officials that he would ensure gallagher retired as a navy seal with his trident insignia. If off trump didn't interfere with a review board convened to determine his fitness to stay in the elite force. ASPER spokesman said Spencer's proposal to the White House which she didn't share with Esperer during several conversations about the matter according to aspar contradicted his own public position on the case expert. Though said he will let let gallagher retire with his try in other words the deal. That S I says Spencer was trying to work out is going to happen anyway at Espersen I doing. Spencer's apparently secret proposal. Came after trump intervened in the cases of Gallagher and two other soldiers on November fifteenth countering Pentagon recommendations nations. The president issued pardons to army. Major Matt Goldstein. Who faced a murder trial next year? And former first lieutenant clint warrants. Who was convicted in two thousand thirteen gene in the murder of two unarmed men in Afghanistan trump also reinstated? Gallagher's rank after the seal was demoted as punishment for posing for that photograph with the corpse after trump's intervention the case Rear Admiral Colin Green. The commander of Navy Special Warfare Command moved to convene review boards for him and three three other navy seals to determine whether they should be ejected from the seals that prompted press reports that Spencer might resign or be fired for standing up to trump which spencer den denied night on Saturday but trump was reportedly annoyed. That Spencer had threatened to resign and wanted him out. This whole thing has been sort of a confusing mess. Spencer released a letter to the press press last night saying that he had been fired and emphasizing the importance of the rule of law. He said he was not gonNA follow an unlawful order but he didn't specify whether he had received an unlawful order what that unlawful order might have been trump tweeted that he will nominate ten braithwaite. A retired Navy Rear Admiral who's currently the US ambassador to Norway. As Spencer's I replacement number. Two former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg officially announced his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination then Bloomberg has promised a disruptive campaign that could break spending records with a massive advertising by aimed at states. That don't vote until March and April without offering specifics. His announcement announcement video released Sunday. Says he'll push for the wealthy to pay more in taxes and to guarantee healthcare to all Americans without removing private insurance from anyone who wants it. His campaign has made more than thirty million dollars in television advertising reservations to help introduce him as a candidate. Those ads will begin airing today. Bloomberg is also announced a one hundred million in dollar ad campaign to criticize trump and key battleground states in a fifteen million dollar voter registration effort. In those same battlegrounds. These initial spending plans are already double. The amount raised by Bernie Sanders. Who's been the top fundraiser in the Democratic field through the end of September the billionaires news outlet Bloomberg News announced yesterday it will stop writing unsigned editorials about its founder and it's reporters will avoid investigating Bloomberg or other Democrats running for president as long as he stays in the race Bloomberg operates one of the world's largest media organizations with about twenty seven hundred journalists across TV radio magazine and digital operations? The tagline in Bloomberg's presidential ad campaign is rebuild America. White House Adviser Kellyanne Conway. Replies that America already elected a builder number. Three Hong Kong's Pro Democracy parties swept aside the Pro Beijing establishment during local council elections in significant endorsement amount of the protest movement. That's been shaking the island for months. Voters took the polls in record numbers on Sunday to cast ballots only fully democratic election in the Chinese territory. Corey an early sign that they wanted to send a strong message to their government and to the Communist Party in Beijing early results show Pro Democracy parties winning two hundred seventy eight eight of the first three hundred forty four seats to be declared pro. Beijing parties took only forty two independence. twenty-four many prominent figures in the protest movement one seats and many leading pro establishment figures were defeated pro democracy forces. Look to be able to secure twelve of eighteen district councils that are available in Hong Kong before this vote. They didn't have a majority in any of the eighteen. About three million people. Seventy one percent of eligible voters turned out. That's more than double the turn out in the last local elections in two thousand fifteen voter registration was also a record high driven by four hundred thousand. First Time new voters the elections results will pressure Beijing to rethink it's approach with this rebuke of its affiliates and the city. China faces a choice between opening up politics as promised in Hong Kong's mini-constitution extending a crackdown on the pro-democracy protestors by the city's police or trying to navigate a delicate middle-path Beijing can continue to dig in but would risk escalating and prolonging prolonging the conflict that the electorate has now offered support for reacting to the outcome. Chinese state media is blaming foreign forces particularly the United States for interfering in their elections analysts. Say It's very possible. The Chinese leader Xi Jinping has not been receiving accurate information from lower level officials on the level of public dissatisfaction with China in Hong Kong despite months of protests because apparatchiks never want to upset their authoritarian leaders. And that's the daily to Oh to for Monday November twenty fifth. 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Dreamcatchers (w/ Lucas Brown Eyes)

Yo, Is This Racist?

54:22 min | 9 months ago

Dreamcatchers (w/ Lucas Brown Eyes)

"What's up you? This is not Tony Newsom this. Is Cody Ziglar. This is Andrew T. You're listening to use your services. I point to the show. It's the perfect tawny onset late tonight. That is correct yes she. She aren't her job. She is quote unquote working hard for the money as some would say yeah. It's this long would say yeah Producers say started a new day. HR Today I did. I started my writing job which wantonly got out like an hour and a half early but yours got laid somewhere in the middle. No It's good. There's going to be definitely going be a time when mine probably gets out right at like six fifteen have to rush here to do the show. We'll have we'll have. I don't know in a way. It feels like no transition because we always disorganized damn now everything will be handled solely through text and maybe not as many emails is used to be. The case is true. That's Nice Why it's a fucked up week to? Yeah it feels. I mean I don't know why it feels like last week was as I mean. Last week was bad too but it seems like this one was particularly dark. Why Graham cast last week you know what the follow up from from one of the last week news stories is I will? We'll say New York New Yorkers have been sort of standing up for this like subway. Oh yeah crackdown. There's multiple protests. And you know I think somewhere along the line. There is an element of like. It's good that people are like kinda standing up and there's like an element of we're starting to see is not good. That people feel like they have to do this but like like rhetoric is becoming action for. Yeah Yeah I will say that like all all the turnstile stuff coupled with trump getting booed back to back to to prevent has really made the the highlight of money last week. That part is good Let's see yeah but other than that. I mean. The racism news has been just grim as fucking fuck doc. Did you follow. I can't remember anything about the Richard. Spencer no yeah. You didn't but I think we all saw. It clocked three years ago. So yeah it's it's weird weird because it's like there's a tape of like Neo Nazi Richard Spencer talking like a Neo Nazi. I don't know what to say other than like I mean. Oh here's one thing that we fratto bring up last week is we had a little thing in La magazine. which is partially? Because I had forgotten. I block doc them between when our interview with occurred when it came out because they had just done a profile on. Like Gavin McGinnis. Oh Yeah and like the media is still out here. Trying to normalize Neo Nazis. Yeah it's fucking revolting. It's it's like. Yeah everyone. Everyone surprised by this Richard Spencer thing. It's like yeah that's been my wildest thing I don't know maybe it's just because I'm black and I've dealt with racist but it's so so wild to me that like that for he's been an avowed white supremacist for years but it was very. It was very funny to me that this was what took people back. Nick I'll think this guy's pretty racist. Yeah it's like Yeah I don't know why it took this. I truly think it's pathetic for anyone. One to like not have known this. It's like the whole enterprise of like like normalising Nazis that like are quote unquote liberal media to be involved in. I don't know what to do about it other than like these places are trash. Yeah at that can't be right either but yeah I mean most of my the most the way that I get most of my information now is is basically the second round of twitter. Call the second round where people have been posted like analysis Nelson twitter which is based in dunking on her badly adly written article or a bad point of view that Oracle's written from so very rarely do I get the first lake publication of a Wall Street Journal S- piece. I get the people feeling this. This is trash and we'll be done on the Arthur right now. Yeah I think that's just like you know that is on one hand the Echo Chamber. We're also but it happens that it's correct. I don't know I I'm like I think I like the Echo Chamber. Rather just sit here. Well I guess the thing with the Echo Chamber when you're a person of color is that even though you might not sometimes appreciate the proportions you're never gonNA forget that this is a racist country country and so you're less willing to be completely head in the sand about shit whereas you know I think the people who are genuinely surprised is by like trump and richly answer and people like that. I don't know this is just me but do you think I don't know if it's because I because I've been paid to look more into racists shouldn't over the past year and a half he's been my job but I feel like people have gotten more radical online as far as like left-leaning like we're gonNA fucking fucking stringer billionaires and give them the guillotine and stuff like that. It's like that talk has really exploded over the past couple of months. At least my I mean I'm part of it. I do also posting Gif of of Guillotine University a story about Jeff Bezos but. Yeah I think probably that it is that that type of like talk is being normalized. Yeah because we are in more polarized polarized times. Yeah I don't know I mean you know it's obviously self selecting like I would say don't feel like safe with those point of view. He you know what I mean like that. That is not enough of the world to feel safe or like. That's that's where power is but it is where power is gathering. Maybe I'll fucking no dog is like yeah. I don't know the past week has been of Hayes. I think I don't know why particularly the past week but a lot of it is just been like all right. What billionaires doing is evil thing yeah fucked up thing trump doing this week like what new story's popping out about him? I mean the really fucked. Let's see Trump got booed the nationals came to The number it is now without getting in my own head about this. I was a little fucked up by how many people on twitter were like. Oh Shit are so fucking white. Supremacist Idiot Kurt. Suzuki Put on a mega hat. He's a Lo whatever I soon pitcher maybe Further nationals who just on the world series and people are like Oh Andrews on that White Supremacist Asian beaten. which I'm really like not I mean I am because I have after be but I don't relish it? I hate it hate that it exists because you great pain. Yeah I mean I'm not like I can't be surprising and I don't want to shy away from it but it is not like good. Yeah like no one. I mean for me personally like whenever I see a trash black person trash take online. I don't seek it out. Yeah I'm not like about it. So when people kinda hit me with that Shit I'm just like this is this is depressing like I'm not I don't love this despite. Yeah Fuck Fuck. Kurt Suzuki Yeah he's trash. Anyone who says Asian people can't be white supremacists services is an idiot. I get that a lot with my Andrew Yang Talk. This is one level more will admit but you know yeah. She hasn't done anything recently. Mostly shoved this episode. I think the first one in like six weeks where we haven't had been pretty ganging so shout out to the king we stay in. Yeah I I will say a dude has hit me up on. I think I've blocked him on your farm. who was like? Oh it was a fan I talk. I was blocked just because I wanted to have a debate with you about it. And just like motherfucker. We don't you. Don't get to have a debate with me. Yeah I I really like to talk to my friends on twitter talking about debate like why why it is wild that people think just because we do this thing for them for free we owe the they. Oh are we owe them more of our time. Yeah yeah I I I So I also do some social media for the account so whenever I see a message that like someone pops up like in this episode. I was really looking for you. And then you said that Actually all what people are bad and not just going to be a fan anymore. Yeah love to like full coin. Hey there's sometimes you don't say anything or sometimes you say you give a monologue like okay. Yeah it's brutal. Yeah Yeah it's good. Yeah I don't know I mean I. I don't want to discourage people and we have people appointed stuff outdoors. That is true and we do fuck up and we're not blowing off our fucker. Oh no that that is fine. I'm talking about me. I don't want anyone. Yeah not debating you. We don't owe you a debate. Yeah debate it yourself. If you wanted to be just go to Stitcher Dot Com Inter from Code your accent or backup. Yeah and hitch a podcast to Breitbart art podcasts. Why you don't like us? Yeah fucking trash. S Say Italy. Oh yeah the breath football player. Yeah tomorrow belly who is black Italy has been kind of this. This season Actually all all around Europe specifically been like a lot of racist incidents This was just kind of fell under the sports or trash. Yeah this guy in particular gets a lot of gotten a Lotta racist like I feel like he's one of those guys. Yeah pills and stuff out of them and when he plays yeah. Yeah it's I mean Italy is trash. Yeah also America's trashing. Yeah but like yeah. The sort of like global rise of Fascism one component. Is this like rise in this fucking racist ACIS shed. I will say it is like fucking pathetic. How little of UEFA? which is like this sort of governing soccer league or governing soccer people? Do you anything about it. fi find UEFA are corrupt horrible institutions. And they they. It's sort of worse. Yeah I think was. In Belgium. England played a game in Belgium and their black players were booed and the Belgian the Football Association was find like five figures or something like that something crazy in global soccer. The lesson a slap on the wrist Yeah amount of money like it's genuinely like feels worse. Yeah you like what the fuck is this is your punishment for like monkey chants and like Shit like like that is like horrifying. I Dunno can't believe can live. Europeans are racist. I impress my big takeaway. He would've thought very ace apprising And you know not to be outdone Donald Trump So we are in November which is native American in heritage month. And we don't need to Belabor this other than Trump has proclaimed has rejected native American heritage then pretend remember the national American history and founders month. I mean it's all despicable but I there's something genuinely funny but the trump administration taking the wrong stance on every possible thing they can take a stance on you know. Yeah I guess so wild that the issue that there's going to be a white the white entrepreneurs this month we're going. Yeah I mean it's like it's like exactly as good as confederate history or confer Serie A day for the Robert e Lee Day it's just like as revolting and racist as you can possibly be. Yeah is there anything to add. No I mean if the feels like one of those things that are just like one of his evil henchmen like whisper this two Zero Bay Trump we should really stick it to the news. Is this month Okay you just rubberstamps. It goes about doing where he does. Yeah I mean it presumably was. What's his name Steve? Yeah out from his exact Whisper into Troussier Really Racist E so we bring to the table. I mean okay so fuck that was bad. It's all bad. There has been a positive This month yeah today yesterday anyway. And that's that Popeye's brought back that chicken sandwich shea visas so have you had it yet. Oh Yeah I woke up yesterday morning in today yesterday. We had the re-rule yeah I I woke up the baby and it's like you know what maybe it's not. Maybe black people will overcome. Maybe won't be bad for US You know I would. We're on twitter. And then someone called me the N.. Word so I guess it I guess like yeah six Awad half dozen yeah Yeah Shit is is good though. Yeah slabs it goes hard. So that's that's a bright spot in this very terrible month that we've heard this week we've been having had that's all we got I guess you know in terms of of doing something positive we did sit down with Lucas Brown eyes entering champ. Yeah we have all eight of guests for native American can heritage month trying to look we always fuck up. I feel like with native people because bad that is like the the moment where I think it's most like stands out that like the questions all very guilty about it. Yeah I think gets also just because like number of guests wise. Like when we had we've had a good number of people gore I think we probably Madrid index say for Breakfast Yep so when it is like my white person my white cousin did this racist things but we don't stick out as much when it's like. Yeah we have a question about dream catcher. Say Oh well I mean it's probably like a relative like kind of an interesting Meta discussion about like how honestly like no matter how we talk about race like racism is still viewed reflexively like in your guts as like white and black and that is is a problem that sometimes we rectify or try to rectify. I often worried that. We're not sort of rectifying things but yeah it it feels sometimes with NATO. Folks why are we. Why are we self-flagellation really really not a profitable road to go? Lucas fucking looking great. That's the most important thing here it is. We're in the lobby. Lucas about how you write a lot of old native women. Oh that's all I do. That's your like your wheelhouse isn't safe. You say just will house. How why does that come about is it? Because that's the most often the type of native person execs want to see in a script No it's because they're the best like my old I don't you know Old in a positive by the way when I say old I mean positive. No it's it's the matriarch and that's what I right like. That's my signature of anything. I'm like can I make this major article and that's just my style and I think that like you know native women in their sixties and above are awesome. So that's just that's just what I do in like. I'm lucky enough that when I pitched that people are surprised all my God. That's that's such a twist. I've never seen it. I'm like really there's like some of the there's some of my favorite characters So that's Kinda I duNno. I decided it's my trademark is that you're gonNA get kind of a bad ass native woman in there and she's probably we're going to be above fifty and that's cool because unless I do like twenty shows it's not GonNa get played out yet probably will never get played out. I mean if there are enough old white GRANDPA's who don't like the way those this world to here is right. That has never gotten all this back in my day. None of this stuff would have gone over like that has never gone away so I think you've got a good few centuries to go before we had native women. Yeah so I'm happy about it. That's the Lucas Brown eyes. Sick chance my signature. That and I'm like Can we make this major urkel. Those are the two things idea. They're very I love that about you. It's all well it's really just you know me being raised by my mom my grandma and my aunt so like fearing women my whole life so yeah. Fear begets comedy. Did we say now is is back. He's back he's he's on back the love guest. You really went over with a bang. Oh really well. That's I'm excited. I have we had a lot of tweets and talks and chats and engagement about engagement engagement is such a clinical way to talk about a person but we had a lot of people want to talk about what you say so cool. I was impressed by the word engagement so it I feel like a fucking marketing marketing idiot. It was it felt gross. But thank you for supporting me. I was just GonNa say that. Did I fuck up the timing on just saying in God garage moment engagement but I did. We should that the answer is yes I did. Fuck that up But yeah is there anything. Besides what you sort of alluded to that you can or want to talk about or just life shit man. Yeah all right so no no. I actually can't that's the NBA. A secret project Hollywood dude. That's that's the ticket there. Oh Oh my God. It's to the point where I can't even talk about that okay. It's the point where weird things happen from to this but like I can say that you know. I'm doing some projects which is really cool. It's also still kind of hard sherm But you know it's at the point where I get it to. I'm starting to tell the stories that I wanNA tell. Nothing really exciting. Yeah whether or not they sell or do anything. That's not my control but it is. I think this is like liberating thing where you're like. I'm just GonNa do the thing I wanted to uh-huh yeah I think that's like like a good turning point for people and groups of people I don't know I It's it's you know the speaking for myself. I'm seeing a lot of that shit. You know the Asian folks are sort of doing that and I'm like you know. Oh not always my cup of tea but good that it's happening. I also like I also feel this way. Just going with like pitches or generals or whatever like are you almost expecting a little more push back on some of these radical asked Lake person of color centric ideas and like. We're not getting them as often when no one gives me any pushback on anything and I think it's a problem. I need to be put into check. I don't understand why I think people are like. Oh that he's the I have no one else to ask. You know. There's no one else to be like. Hey don't do I think they're all just like okay. We're just GONNA trust him on that so it's all just my messed up family. Which is fine? I mean that's good. Yeah I'm just hoping that like there's an anti Lucas out there. Yeah yeah who has their life together in his pitching responsible America Lucas out there being a good role model okay. Normally I wouldn't do such an abrupt segue but we do have a question that actually basically has mirror universe people so plano voicemail. Now I keep talking hi Andrew Tawny and guests love the show I'm a black guy from Pittsburgh it's not. The most diverse tastes good nerdy conventions and participate in cost and not the general consensus among decent people. That black and Brown faces bad and racist. People are kind of on his little bike. Races like you know they're shuttled versions of link from the legend Ozoda Oughta or the characters that are supposed to be shadowed rocks or some stuff that's you know not a caricature or version of real human beings. I talked with other people's color and we agree that sometimes we're we're all comfortable but we couldn't play finger if it was racist or not My vice is always away from it either way just in case on just wanted to hear your thoughts and sits around races Tali. Thanks under a minute off the bye you did. It wasn't it under a minute. Yeah you did it. Forty six seconds. Oh with time to spare you got fourteen seconds to take a take a bath producers eight went ahead and pulled up shadow link on the Monitor here feel free. I guess Google you're damn not if you're driving so this seems to be of the ilk of this is overly simplistic but the ilk of the things that are just like darkness equals evil so therefore anything bad. We're just GONNA shade darker. Well there's also the Sort of 'cause play loophole of like what Kanter be shadowed bucks race just happens to all black. Yeah it's like Nick. It seems like the characters themselves come from a albeit problematic but not tied to well it probably has tied to race at its base. Yeah that like darker people are evil versions of the light. Good people but in practice. So if you're going to be the shadow wink I guess I WANNA know why why's a white dude. Wannabe shadowing feels like racism loophole. We'll couldn't you just do the dark clothes and the red is what would they like. You know that's that seems to be most of the costume interested darker you know. Seems like you don't need to put a shoe Polish. I was on your face and that's generally I think the and I'm not even saying like it's a raise might be I mean I think you're right. It is linked into the dark eagles bad which is problematic but like that whole costume without going in any form of yeah. He's makeup and be fine. Yeah Yeah I just think this is. This is some easy ass shit for me to say because I could not be less interested. 'cause play however so grain of salt. I suppose I get it. It's important for people. Don't put any thing on your face. Put a collar I they just don't put a cut and I mean I guess if it's green will be this one looks purple. Don't put a skin a natural human skin color on your org black or gray. Yeah okay so there's a lot of colors you can put on your face. Yeah Blue Bright Red. No No nope. Sorry sorry sorry plaid. uh-huh I said that truly not even thinking I'm so sorry that was fucking. Oh wait you said Red Sea. There's so many colors that you can't put on your face. What are we got Purple Green and purple? Only that's blue. Silver Gloom AVATAR IS GONNA come at us real-life Avatar Avatar based on something and my God. Everything is stolen from everything Ever Harry is great because it's like like making a metaphor out of a racist point of view already like what they allegory out of like a racist perception of real people. Yeah it's great that was the most representation had two thousand seven so yeah yeah decided for Avatar two through five now making more of them they eh foresee close. Jesus Christ I fell asleep during it. I don't remember the film. I don't remember. I don't think I ever watched it. I never watched it. Well all right. So what does this man WanNa know. So is it racist in Bake you you should be hosting hosting Dr Prepare. I mean it sounds like well. He even said I talked. We talked amongst us us the black folk here in Pittsburgh Yup and we decided to stay away from it. It is amazing. They can you pull that up. Yeah now we're total request. Live this whole kind of show. It's a baby dressed Cardi B. Haryana. Oh my God. There's a lot of babies dresses Cardi B. as what we've learned I remember Cardi B.'s. Baby Oh yeah we don't WANNA see Cardi B.'s. Actual baby you want to see a white baby eh dressed in the costume okay. This is an artery. All right go to well. Whatever I mean okay cut all of this out of my cut? All this out Goto Zeta. I'm just going to send it to you. It doesn't even fuck it matter. This isn't even that good of a thing moves now. God Be Nicole Thurman Re tweeted it you you gotta go baby in that and oh baby so you didn't dream this. I've got it I'm sending it to Zag right now since to me our airdrop into this computer not worth I fall to everyone here. I'm just going to pull it off on my computer. I said to you using using okay. Race cars thread. Well whatever no hello to you. Oh Yeah we're back and we're back. We're looking at a picture. The montage of a white baby dressed in the thought IANA video and she is perfect. She's in the little outfit. She's got those long black wig her. She's got the hat I guess not. No Colorado face managed to not be a black face a little orange race car beautiful white baby. Well there you go Cardi B. Proof you don't have to go black vase to be Cardi B. from baby perfectly that this baby knows how to or not be racist racist. Why are you thirty year olds in Wrigley? Ville fucking dressing as Ten years ago Sammy Sosa. That is a real cost. Asti my saw two years ago. God Yup Yup. Because you're not a cost play person right. No should've asked you this. You know no respect AH craft but I'm not that I respect it too because they put so much work in his new people. True artists like people. Can you know it's like they're flick costume designers. Yeah yeah they're just doing it as a hobby which to me. I'm like that is a job that you're doing for recreation. I wonder if to me. It's the fact that we live in a city of costume designers. That and I'm like old hat. Yeah Yeah I mean. I don't feel like I wanted to. I don't even Halloween though Lukas Halloween not this year. Yeah Yeah not not recently. I'm not a big Halloween head energy. You do Halloween or I eight. No you sound like you were GonNa say something. I got stowed at nine thirty five and was asleep by ten nice okay. Let's see what we're voice Mayo Guys so I'm a teacher and I have a coworker. Who is just horrible? He he likes to call especially the hours that I don't like to use and she Recently decided to Make Dream catcher's in our brought after going to native American literature and I'm just wondering like how bad is it if she matrix. Patriot catchers for because to me. That just seems really wrong Thanks bye-bye I should apologize. I should have given you the heads out that it was the native question. Sometimes you feel tired. I'm sorry no it's not cool. No dog yet so I don't know I'm I'm always conflicted. Did by this because I have so many cousins who are like on the side of the road selling dream catchers like. I don't know that's like half of half of my family's the economy. I guess I feel like that's like such thing that die really really relate to that because that's like definitely thing Asian people will adult fucking whatever for money and it's like Yeah Oriental Palace. Great come on brant. So I'm I'm with you on that so I'm like so I've I've gotten to the if we're doing it it's Fi- yeah to support native artists. Yeah so like if if a native is doing it yeah. You're you're good. You probably shouldn't do it if you're not native is my safest. Don't you know you don't do it. you know especially because the dream catcher is very cultural. But but it's also this this thing that's been appropriated into this pan kind of native Identity right down And like I'm LAKOTA. CODA energy of way so like drink us like that is I have hundreds of them like it is just like. That's that but you know you go down over to the cavaliers or the day and you know they don't necessarily have those Because they're like you know over five hundred sixty native tribes the difference in Landay. They think from South Dakota where my tribe is to Arizona where you know the Dr. That's like the difference between Spain and Egypt so I mean there's a huge culturally so like dream catchers are also a little bit problematic when you use them to say native right. They're not their way. You know in their LAKOTA. So like Doc. Yeah maybe fucked up question. I don't know but but lo whatever which is that like. I guess the analog would be. I know like Chinese people that run Sushi restaurants because the white people who participated in that Shit won't know the difference and then my dad and I guess what I mean is like like not just your family but sort of any random native person could in theory. And I'm just GonNa you know what I don't know I I think I know what you're saying participating in the racist view of your howser and profiting from it. Is that taking back Dariel tape money. I mean it's exploitative but like for me I'm never gonNA just because of the way. Native Americans have been so disenfranchised waist. If you're if you're doing something in this world I'm going to give you a little bit more leniency. And that might make me a little bit of a hypocrite. But like I'm going to be like listen. You're taking care of your family. You've been sued over. You probably shouldn't like if we're being super super zero-tolerance about this thing You know someone who is era. Koi shouldn't be doing you know. TV's TV's you know But like I'm not those aren't the people I'm going after right. Maybe that's it. It's like turning out the problem. Now is the white lady in the Boutique Silverlake who makes them and sells them. That's the problem. Yeah and all the other things and then maybe when those yourselves we can be like. Hey we should. Would you go after that person. So now it's like the ideal like yeah probably shouldn't be doing it but like at the same time I'm not worried about what they are doing. you know. That's the the real answer I guess. Yeah Yeah because like I've been to. I've been to like places in Oklahoma Oklahoma and they've had headdresses unlike you guys don't have hedrick and you guys are the ones that you know are proud of that. You're like we don't have had then. I've seen like places that just put them up sound like Oh okay. I see what you guys are doing right it's sorta catering to the fucking colonizer exactly. Yeah isn't it also kind of like what you said Andrew but more of a tone of like. They don't know the difference so fuck them. At least I can make money off of their ignorance. Yeah we know the the difference is that should just like a race to the bottom. Maybe that's it. I'm just like I can't tell if I go back and forth between good for them and like Thakur all fucked walked like yeah I met the. I'M NOT GONNA go after you. Yeah maybe bigger fish to fry to way to think of it and and also I'm just not going to. Yeah someone will. Let's ask that native. I sent me. WELL HERE'S A. Here's an additional wrinkle. Uncalled to that question which I think. I'm just pulling a hypothetical that I feel like happens. Maybe less than I think which would be like what what would you. How would you like? Think about like say a white person we're to make that any other observations you made or get in someone's face about that like does that feel feel like sort of. I feel like we get a lot of colors that are like I think I know the right thing here. But I feel weird saying that to a a person of color like the headdress thing or the cheap thing if they were if a white person and we're making that same same observation you know what I mean. They're kind of saying the right thing. Yeah that's like in the wrong way. Maybe not their place yes same time. They're right hey yeah lake like I'm doing this thing And it involves Pacific northwest. So I brought in my friend who is very you know. He's he's of those tribes so he brought all this new authentic stuff and I'm like Oh my God. This is amazing. This is authentic. I'm glad I did the right thing to do it. so like one. I'm doing the right thing regardless of who you are always going to be better but like to like. I don't know if I were to do it right and do do that do this project would i. Would I call myself out you know and I did it wrong without bring him in without getting all this new things and I don't. I don't know if I would call someone out for doing that. Who was native? Yeah and I don't know if I'd want white people to do that not willing to do totally But like at the same time we feel that that is the right way to do it. But it's still grow a little. Yes do you have. It just sucks when they have appoint clean up your own fucking people. Maybe that's it. You know if you if you want to go around and like start checking people on their in authenticity and the shit they shouldn't be slinging. You've got a lot to do it right at home. It feels like you brought up Pacific northwest. That's exactly the kind of white person that would be looking like a fucking hate that you have a point and I think it's okay to be like yeah you're right but also like shut up. Yeah stain your yeah. Yeah get this guy but your cousin keeps trying to fuck and sage my house and that's a fucking problem. Maybe you're right that's it it's like you're right take this this energy somewhere where it's more productive honored percent. I can't believe we actually thought of something useful guys. I'm telling you that detour define the thought IANA baby really flowing was fill out of my chair. Why do that we solve everything? Thanks to the baby. That doesn't matter. Don't worry about that Let's do this. Let's do it. What's up y'all so a group of my friends get together once a week and have or make a rain dinner One Week. The group has made Chinese food. And I mean in American Chinese food is my guilty pleasure. But one of my friends said that she would make quote Asian. He's veggies which then let me think about those recipes on Pinterest Krist that are labeled a quote a him and really basically mean absolutely sauce gingy protein on a bed of rice so I know the obvious answers are get new friends and play intricacies having already saw Grayson. I wanted to hear your expert take on racist food recipes and if that is even thing so thanks bye I did actually Kinda mean to. We already tapped the conversation a little bit but I just kind of that. Like good enough amalgamation of Shit like I mean. I feel like native folks. Get all of that lumped in Asian people. We'll get it somewhat. Although does a part of me that's like when when white people know too much about the differences between Asian people too. I'm just like Gary. Yeah I've never seen that but if I think I did I think I'd go more now off put but like my whole day would be thrown because my you know so much about this this show. It's a real specific flavor of white man. Who really knows the difference between some shit? You're just like your interest interest in this is off putting. I don't know I think minds is. Oh that's cool. They're knowledgeable but I think I would be thrown off what I think both both are valid. Both it's good to be like. Oh It's good that you took the time to but also this makes me feel weird. I call her. Thank you so much for knowing your friends. Tony and Andrew for knowing that our first advice is going to be like ditch. Your friends delete your account. Thank you so much for learning joining us. I feel like you know us better than our loved ones. Yeah obviously get new friends but glue of that. No I mean what did she say. Asian you veggies. I mean there is a weird catchall where people don't know I feel like when people are cooking and they're just adding things like soy sauce. Awesome Ginger in whatever. They're just like I know. This comes from a different continent. But it doesn't I'm not specifically making something commonalities these. Yeah so there's gotta be a better way to say that I'm making some Asian veggies just be like I making soy based Reggie's like yeah. Yeah that's really a hole there. We saw tanks and veggies and soy sauce. The End I he don't turn it into a food truck. Yeah I think you're right. That's the second the second thing. Is that like like why people get a little bit good at that I and think they own it right quick. Yeah don't don't take someone else's culture and then sell it. That's that's maybe that's the less about what you do at. Yeah that's probably very wise. And what he asked specifically it which is kind of an inbetween of this right like. Don't take someone else's culture and sell it. I care less about what you do at home. I totally agree with those sentences. The inbetween is the like Mommy. Blogger pinterest person. WHO's presumably making a living from amalgamating? Recipes are kind of creating their own or and slapping weird labels on them like especially. I do a lot of plant based cooking and I have come across some whole. Why old old names for things? where I'm like? Well I like all these ingredients to make this racist thing anyway but man you could have just named it something else. Will Martha Stewart did FRY bread. That's our our food and we're like Oh that's the all's Chilean the millionare's doing that and also she did it wrong. Of course they always do. You need struggle to make good oppression food so like that's that's that's that's the part that bothers me the most. If you WANNA make fiber at home that doesn't bother me as much uh-huh you know. But if if you're going out you're giving out the recipe making a name for yourself south. You're starting a food truck. That's where I'm like. Oh right Dan do that. Yeah that's the problem is we. Don't have those options. If we add those options maybe things would be the different. I don't know but we don't so that's why it's so bad as you are doing something that we can't do with our culture right right. That's where I'm like. Oh okay Yeah yeah that's like a a true also that thing where I'm like God we even as we talk about and I'm just like right. This country writ large know so little about native folks and stuff I'm just like and that's sort of the microcosm awesome version of the the more macro version of the Asian microcosm thing which is just like it just means that you think think that Asia's all one way or like natives are all one way and it's like or like you know whatever the fuck come from but it's also like the rest of the world is so dominated by white women who are talking to other white women and then it's like this is that's where it gets gross. Never I mean I'll I'll never forget the first time I was really trying to make like perfect collard. Greens but without using like Ham Hawker without using any sort of meat based. But I was like I need my family members to like eat these vegans Greens and not know the difference because a lot of times the Hamaoka so cooked down. You don't know that there's not meet in there so it's like I really need them to not know so. I was looking at all these plant based recipes recipes and thankfully I found by black people but in that search the ones I came across it by white women the insane things that these people were putting in the Collard. Greens the the insane thing that I was like. There's so much black pepper in this. That's not even the dish anymore. What are you doing so dice? Crunchy Bite just doc. pepperoni Green Hawk Hawk. Who Eats a bite of Greens and says I want more pepper? I guess so who knows. We hope this person. I maybe don't call it Asian Food and just call it. I think that's where we landed was calling us. Yeah Yeah Yeah I guess he was saying he had they. They were like doing a theme for the whole night. Which I'll say it forever? Why people love a theme the worst? Why people love theme So he was saying the whole night was like Chinese food which even acknowledged she was like. I love America Chinese food. Like that's a different type of food already so I don't know should they just loosen up the definition of what they're making just make fucking PA Walk and stop asking people to put racist or regions around their shit a long way. I think now yeah people love to like really carve out like tonight is Italian Italian. I guess because it. I don't know it's just a I think as Americans we have like a we do a weird thing with the melting pot which is like whatever the first thing we encountered fills the slot for the melting pot. So it's just like you know what type of Asian person one type of native person like you know blackness just got boil down into one sort of slave type yeah archetype and then like breaking Out of that mold requires you to be such a fucking like lunatic about it. I Dunno as just. It's the worst the worst as people all of us. I think the three of us are pretty cool. your your iffy about us. I'm iffy on all three okay. We all got her significant significant problems. No no you're the fucking best man. Lucas is cool. Watches his various mysterious projects. Kee- keeps their. I am DNA. You'll figure it out what that well I mean. That's the thing about development it is. You have all these cool things and you're working with all these really cool people but like Intel. Its on air. It's not real. Yeah so like right. Now I'm living in a fantasy land filled with multiple fantasies. And I'm like okay. This is great. I'm doing something and then we're not. Yeah you know. And that's that's the case. Every writer who's like worked in development longer than a few years. He's just yeah broken and I'm like I at that. Yeah I see I see yeah. It's fun though. I'm doing a charity. Tell us about the charity. Yeah it's cool so basically the idea media was 'cause I'm from rage and you know there's there's always like charities to help us because we're the ones that people point to being like look how bad they okay got it and I just noticed that it's never emotional care baggage. It's always like we're going to help them close whatever but there's never like to help their a pride right and I'm like that's you know we have one of the highest suicide rates and part of that is because we don't value our lives. We don't value this. Yes so what. I decided to do was teamed up with amazing native artists. That are way better than me And also stem 'cause like I want everyone to be in stem uh-huh as an artist being stem but What we're doing is we're writing a bunch of letters to kids in there so it's like I have of a the guy who He's a native engineer and he just his stuff went to Mars as it amazing And then you know I have native TV writers and you yeah just really cool musicians and all this News kind of successful But it for me. It's about showing native kids. Like Hey look doc right. It's possible it's possible. I remember not having anyone like literally right. No no one. No one even remotely close to me. I could look at. It'd be like Hey I can do that And I just think I don't know I'd probably be a lot cooler better. I don't know maybe a little bit taller caller if Romo's doing increase your height so that's what we're doing it's it's actually structured like Not Now to hogwarts letter because it's probably Copy written But it's definitely not a hogwarts letter is not. You did not hear that here I I. However it's an invitation to a society of natives who love themselves and their culture and that's the thing so so you open it up and has all these letters from MHM natives But it also has like posters. So you can put artwork on the wall and like see it every day and then a cool Street wear company they're giving away Stickers and patches you can like wear your pride on your sleeve and everything So awesome really cool and it's all like from natives to like native kids so that's that's cool like that's is probably like one of the most exciting things I am about all my projects is like. Can you say the name again and tell people how they can. You know if supported from the outside. Hopefully by the time the stairs it will be funded but it's called native pride project. We have a website native pride project. Nick Dot Org can't believe the name was not telling that the name was available in every social media. ooh ooh everywhere. It was a very filling. Need Sir Yeah but yeah it's a cool project and like that's that's one of those things where I think in in film especially when you're you know you get close and then a roadblock happens And you know you SAF and that's amazing but like having and this is something I realized like in the past few months having having something outside of that. He's going to keep you saying in a in a very positive way but also you know it helps because even though like five years ago looking at me now I'd be like Oh my God. This is amazing. But like when you're in it you you tend not to have that perspective and I think doing cool things like that Garner you perspective. You know no matter what field you're in. I think that's really cool. I'm talking I like that. It's just supportive of people's Person Hood. Yeah it really rolling. And it's designed to be scalable right so it also comes hats and stuff But like basically anyone who wants to do in their reservation their native community whatever they can do it I'll I'll give you all the resources to be able to do it all yourself. The only requirement is that someone from that tribe writes a letter because there has to be direct representations And that's really easy because I already have like twenty minutes it. It was way too easy for me to call up people. Hey you WANNA do this. So it should be cool gusts. God's Really Cool Native Pride Project Dot Org find it Donate to it or donate to the next iteration will. Yeah Yeah. That's what we'll do is we'll have a yeah we already have. I think will the first runs four hundred kids And then I think we're GONNA go out two thousand cool. Yeah better keep an eye on it and be ready to support and of course you follow him. On socials followers always helpful exactly cool could talk about projects. He did the best. You did great. You'll come back. We'll have be back. The people love you. We'll have you back when you're you know the native Tyler Perry do wait. Did you say your twitter also too. I biking now anyway. Yeah tell people we're also very basic at Lucas Brown eyes UCS Dope Brown eyes. They don't feel super bass except facebook because they don't allow native names o reason to delete that trash APP. Well well here's the thing is I gave him my I d And then they're like well. Can you confess your credit card number and at that point. I'm like no just calling. I'm fine just I'm done Trash why can't 'cause natives. They're all on facebook right. Go going I mean instagram's the same company but but like yeah. Yeah Yeah Shit our well. That's it thanks for coming in. Yeah thank you for being here in the middle of the night. We appreciate in the middle of the morning Sam True Base Lucas. I and that was Lucas. Brown is also got to hear a little bit of tiny newsom Tani stay stay on their grind. 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#EERS S8 Ep191: The Billionaire Sweepstakes

The Erick Erickson Show

2:03:03 hr | 9 months ago

#EERS S8 Ep191: The Billionaire Sweepstakes

"Hello and welcome it. Is Eric Erickson. Here the Eric's Joe Across the state of Georgia. This chilly morning. It is cold across the state. Actually we had frost at our house else this morning and making it is let's see Thirty four in Blue Ridge thirty-six in Dalton thirty seven in Clarksville and Carrollton Rome Romans. Thirty six It's in the mid forties invite billion Valdosta. It's it's chilly other thirty seven degrees in Athens Georgia. Yeah well winners finally here. I guess maybe this fall. The leaves are still falling. I said on on the Front Porch last night we got one of those big pro near the man that stuff cranks out heat You're not here for at though. You're here for the news of the day Mike Bloomberg as gotten into the race he intends to run for president of the United States. He's got his first. Add up which you can tell us. They consulted driven thing now. I need to explain this Mike. Bloomberg Erg is the head of Bloomberg News. He invented a terminal that Wall Street firms use to together Newsday used. They can get quicker than anyone else they can get it about stocks. They can get it about news they can see headlines a Bloomberg ultimately got building building news channel around this terminal where he can deliver Bleeding edge news as quickly as possible to people in Wall Street to help shape the markets and he became a billionaire bilionaire with this invention. He is a social liberal authoritarian. Figure when he was in New York you'll recall. He wanted to ban large drinks. He wanted to ban smoke and he wanted to The man essentially believes he can use government to bring about Utopia and bring about government to make you better well. A bunch of consultants convince Mike Bloomberg Berg after he won the he was mayor of New York. Three times remember. They didn't change. The term limits for Rudy Giuliani after nine eleven but Bloomberg. Insisted they change it for him. He served for three terms. New York City's mayor. He ran as a Republican the first time to bypass the D. Bypass the Democratic Primary Mary. In New York City he then ultimately ran as an independent He is a very liberal guy and the Democrats of course are now taking him the way they never attacked Tom. Steyer Tom Star was never a threat to them but Bloomberg has a bunch of old some of whom were connected to Hillary Clinton. He wants to run for president. You can tell his initial forays a consultant to package deal and the reason is because it's a minute forty six seconds this matters because Bloomberg uh-huh is Well Bloomberg is a consultant cash cow in a minute forty. Six seconds is is notable. Because that's not something that's pared-down commercial. See if it's a minute it's two minutes or if it's a minute thirty seconds you can subdivide that out and easily package a commercial for TV. Radio this is an internet thing that he's pushed out his his announcement. I want to let you listen to Bloomberg Mike Bloomberg and why he's running for president. Mike Bloomberg started as a middle class kid where the work is way through college and build a business from a single room to a global global entity creating tens of thousands of good paying jobs along. The way could've stop there but when New York suffered the terrible tragedy of nine eleven he took McGeorge. Becoming a three term. Mayor brought a city back from the ashes and brought back jobs and creating tens of thousands of affordable housing housing units. So families could a decent place to live raising teacher's salaries and kids graduation rates and creating more livable city for the millions. Who Call wait hold? It could have stopped there but when he witnessed the terrible toll of gun violence put his money where his heart is open to create a movement to take on the NRA. The politicians officials say Oh to protect families across this country. And how turn the time handy. Splendid College educations thousands of deserving low income and middle class kids what's and supported lifesaving medical research and stood up to the coal lobby and the outright denial of this administration to protect the only home we have from the growing menace. Ns of climate change. But now he sees different kind of menace coming from Washington. So there's no stopping here because there's an America waiting to be rebuilt belt where everyone without health insurance is guaranteed to get it and everyone who likes ears can go ahead and keep it where the wealthy will pay more in taxes and the struggling struggling middle class would get their fair share and jobs that just allow you to get vine become jobs that let you get my blue more for president in jobs. Creator leader problems over. It's going to take all three to build back country now. I WANNA walk through this ad again. You've heard it in full. I didn't want to take it out of context. I don't like to do that where I play small snippets so people can say? Oh you took the holding holding on context. I want you to hear the full remark and or the full ad or the full whatever before I decide to have my way with it and now I'm going to have my way with his dad and I'm going to show you that. This is a consultant driven. One Minute forty-six second effort. I will pause through it. Let's listen again Mike. Bloom Burke started as a middle class kid who had worked his way through college. There you go. He's a self made man and build a business for a single roll to global entity entity creek. He's he's a self made man just like the barons of Silicon Valley who started in garages tens of thousands of good paying jobs job creamy. It could've stopped there but when New York suffered the terrible tragedy of nine eleven he took charge becoming a three term mayor city back from the ashes. It's all so he cares. He cares about his community and he decided to acquire political power to help New York after nine eleven so he could have stopped there he he could have stopped with just the job creations but no no not Mike Bloomberg Bloomberg God among men. He didn't need to go forward. Let's keep laying brought back jobs and jobs and overeating. Tens of thousands of affordable housing units. Families could have a decent place to live raising teacher's salaries and kids graduation rates. And now none of that stuff is the job of president mind you aiding them more open and livable city for the millions who call it home open and livable city buzzwords. Listen into the buzzwords in this. Now we're at the BUZZWORD portion I want I will highlight the buzzwords could have stopped their witness the terrible toll of gun violence to put his money anywhere as heart is his money where his heart is to create a movement to take on the NRA take on the NRA this democratic voters politicians to the politicians. They also and let me just stop right here. This is first of all. This doesn't under this ceases. Plays a material about the NRA. But that's not really the way. Ra works the reason the NRA has clouded because tens of millions of people are members of the NRA the NRA doesn't own politicians voters. Do in the same way. Republican politicians auditions are scared of Donald Trump's voters democratic and republican politicians are scared of the NRA's voters but if Bloomberg believes the NRA owns people. All is it his presumption that he can own people I mean. That's there's a stark contrast here. He believes that the NRA can own politicians so so does he think with his billions. He can own politician that seems to be it but his moneys were. His heart is families across this country. And how turn the time and east. Go College Educations for thousands of deserving low income and middle class kids and notice the emphasis on middle class middle class middle class lifesaving medical research and stood up to the coal lobby the outright denial of this administration. Oh the coal lobby. So you blue-collar he's writing off Appalachia. The Rustbelt will not vote for Mike Bloomberg the only home we have from the Choline Mantis of climate change and now these different kind of menace come writing Washington so so there's no stopping here. There's no stopping here for this minutes. In Washington is there's an America waiting to be rebuilt an America waiting to be rebuilt where Donald trump already made it great again. Everyone without health insurance is guaranteed to get it and everyone who likes. There's can go ahead and keep it listen to that one buzzwords word this is consultant speak. Ev like it. You can keep it otherwise we're going to give it to you. Were the wealthy will pay more in taxes. The wealthy will pay more in taxes. He's gotTa throw that. Yeah because he's a billionaire and the struggling middle class would get their fair share. The middle class will get their fair. Share trying to co-opt Elizabeth Warren and jobs. That just just allow you to get by and become jobs that lets you get Yes Morph more consultant. Speak jobs where you can only get by. You'll be able to get ahead. Said Republicans were saying that about Obama and the Democrats are saying that about trump white and blue more for president jobs creator jobs creator leader leader problem-solver problem solving problems over. It's going to take all three to bill back a country. This is a focus group consulted. Cash Ashby Bonanza Bloomberg is GonNa make a lot of consultants really really really rich running for president I'm actually impressed. I gotTA give it to the guy. I'm thoroughly impressed With his rollout. He's getting all sorts of buzz. That Tom Steiner never got makes. You wonder why Tom Steyer is still in the race with Bloomberg in the race you get to billions now running. We're stiers all about impeaching the president and Bloomberg is not. He just wants to beat him. Here's what's actually going on here If Mike Bloomberg were to start a Super Pac Mike Bloomberg super PAC would get a commercial rates on TV and radio but because my Bloomberg is running for President Federal law requires that the political candidates get the lowest ad rates possible so Bloomberg being candidate can run attack after attack after attack about Donald Trump And get the lowest lowest rate possible on TV and radio. Something he couldn't have. You just started a super back. Listen the billionaire for reason. He's smart he runs as a candidate. He gets the cheap ad rates where he can attack the president for the Democrats regrets and that might actually get him the nomination to you know. None of the candidates are really going on the full attack on Donald Trump. Right now. They're so busy trying to distinguish themselves. Bloomberg doesn't care he he just wants to beat up Donald Trump so he comes out of the gate and he does attack attack attack attack on Donald Trump. He may very well be able to help himself to that. That's it's not bad strategy. Actually if you just want to beat up Donald Trump if you want to run for office on attacking Donald Trump and not have a platform of your own although although. He's clearly taking the time to do this. I'm totally befuddled by Tom Star. Tom Star demand with one Christmas Tie. WHO's running is billionaire as well? Tom Steyer has funded Impeach impeach the president campaigned around the country. He's poured money into campaigns across the country to get Democrats elected and he's got no traction know-how nowhere Bloomberg comes in but Bloomberg's got a problem Bloomberg has announced he's going to sell fund his campaign. He's not not going to accept political donations from people and because he's not going to accept political donations from people he can't get on the democratic debate stage. He can't get on the democratic debate stage because the Democrats are required a minimum level of support from the grassroots. You GotTa have a certain number of donors to qualify. You have to hit polling and donors What's her name Tulsi Gabbard was able to hit the donor and support level thresholds in the polling because Hillary Clinton detector people poured money into Tulsi Gabbard campaign to get her onto the November debate stage and I think she will now be able to get on the debate. Stage in December and. I'm not sure when that debate where the debate will be. But you'll be able to get on it. Because of Hillary Clinton's attacks Bloomberg get on the December debate stage because has the December debate stage requires a certain amount of donors and he's not taking donations. You go to his website. You're not gonNA find a donate button. So he e can't get on the stage now. Tom Perez. WHO's the chairman of the Democratic Party has decided that he will allow maybe a shakeup of the rules in January as we get closer to Iowa that might be able to help Bloomberg but They've got no incentive to have a billionaire on the stage. They're all thinking you know we're we're we're good with with the people we have. Here's a quick montage of the reaction of the other candidates getting into the debate. We do not believe that billion as have the right to buy elections. That is why multi-billion as like Mr Bloomberg on not GonNa get very far in. This election should not be for sale not to billionaires not to corporate pretty executives we need to build grassroots movement. That's how democracy is supposed to work. Money will not win this election connecting with people you know. Listen we get money out of politics. I've let me just be honest with you. I mean I gotTA raise a ton of money to be competitive and you know. There's some people who started this race with ten million dollars. Yeah they're not very happy about this calmly. Harrison particular is really not happy about it Bloomberg suddenly stealing the last remaining vestiges of a spotlight. She had None of them really like the idea of him getting in. They don't like the idea of being being surrounded with some of Hillary Clinton's supporters as his as consultants. They don't like the idea of him being able to draw money. What's so interesting here? Is that Tom Steiner. Got Any. He didn't spend all the money he could've spent remember. I told you Tom Starwood matter because he gets a million dollars a week in Iowa and have success and he's not doing that Bloomberg on the other hand actually does look like he wants. It's just been a million dollars a week to get ahead in Iowa. Although he's not gonNA play an Iowa he's GonNa wait for Super Tuesday Bloomberg is banking on the fact that we're going to have an indecisive mess You you biden is going to fail around in Iowa Award and booted. You'RE GONNA fight it out. You get to New Hampshire Biden's actually doing okay. But Buddha's riches has gone into the lead in in South Carolina Biden is dominant. Same in Nevada. Then you get into the Super Tuesday states march third. You've got ten states where the Democrats look to play and and he's hoping Bloomberg is hoping he can fractured that and maybe he can. Oh I've avoided it I don't like it. It's over height that Oh believe it's real but maybe his strategy is a brokered convention. Let's explore that when we come back Sirak Erickson here. The full number eight seven seven nine seven Evan Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five for mine just put up questions Christian leaders at all levels should ask themselves. When was the last time I apologized? admitted error invested in someone who cannot advance me or my career was told I'm wrong. CULTIVATED ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM SO THE PRIOR QUESTIONS COULD BE S. Todd do I'm married. This happens to be every single day. Oh okay all right The the the the consultant driven clash within the Democratic Party in Bloomberg running Tom. Steer has got nowhere as I mentioned mentioned even though he's a billionaire and Bloomberg seems like he wants to advance in Split by going into Super Tuesday. Ignoring Noreen Iowa New Hampshire South Carolina Nevada. And then maybe having a broker convention knelt the media loves to talk about brokered conventions brokered conventions are were the The Democratic Party actually has an easier time having a brokered convention. Because of the rules the Democratic Party was certain super majorities. You have to have and remember. You're in the past Democrat super delegates in the Super Delegates Helped Hillary Clinton Ensure she would beat Bernie Sanders. There was no way really to stop her in the same way You couldn't stop Barack Obama in two thousand eight The Democrats thought that the super delegates would go for Hillary Clinton they decided to go for Barack Obama He just had an insurmountable lead as a result. The the issue here is that you have to have more than just a regular majority. Yeah I think it's a two thirds majority of the Democratic Party and there are no super delegates anymore because the democratic base complaints so much that it was anti thankful to their democratic processes processes within the Democratic Party they largely got rid of the super delegates so every single time and this is where I wanted to go with. This is every single time either. Party changes the rules to prevent previous problems. They create new problems that they they try to change rules to Advanced Scenarios The Republicans. You'll recall in two thousand sixteen changed their rules and the changes. There was actually made it very possible for Donald Trump to quickly Consolidate his lead and become the Republican Party nominee because the Republicans after two thousand twelve with Mitt Romney decided to change change careers. Delegate access rules that then ensured that Donald trump could lock up the delegates very quickly to become the nominee the Democrats after two thousand sixteen got rid the super delegates. And now what's having what's happening in. The Democratic Party is that they can't consolidate around someone. Joe Biden is floundering He Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren is now floundering. None of them like Pete Buddha judge who has real problems they got serious situations on the democratic credit side. And here's John King on CNN. Talking about the Biden issue all a little bit he does not have the resources right now to compete with and I think that's the that's the Bloomberg play right right and it's a gamble but it also is a gamble that I think a lot of campaigns have been predicting or making for the better part of the last five or six months that there's a softness Joe Biden's numbers and he'll be exposed in Iowa or New Hampshire or there's some tram version of the first couple of states and that will create an opening whether it's for people to judge or whether it's for other people and Bloomberg's sees himself that looked to Mike's Point there's rich and then there's Bloomberg rich. He has the money not to do this for the next ten weeks. He can do this through the election. And it's that just a drop in the bucket for him. I think the real question is twofold to steal what you always talk about this. This'll be the baseline. Let's see what the numbers do after. Thirty seven million dollar ad by plus and then after that. Let's keep an eye on Joe Biden. See how real this actually becomes in the weeks ahead he asked ask how real this actually becomes. Joe Biden has been spending a lot of money to stay at the top. And it's worked this far. The problem though is it's November twenty fifth fifth today and the election does that. They don't even begin cast votes until February third in Iowa so he's got a goal of December and all of January and he's got a boost his fund racing and in thus far the signs are he isn't able to boost his fundraising and that's just gone calls all sorts of problems Along the way for the Democrats because Elizabeth Warren more Polish she can't beat the President Bernie Sanders pulling eventually delve into it. The reason Bernie's doing better than Elizabeth Warren against Donald Trump is. Because most voters actually don't think that he can even be the Democratic nominee if he were the democratic nominee then suddenly a Bernie Sanders would have the Elizabeth Warren trouble and people know it that leaves Biden and leave someone like Buddha Jin. Buddha judge has a huge problem. Black voters are not fans of Buddha judge. And we're starting to to realize Along the way that this is going to be a problem for him he someone that white people like and Bloomberg now comes in as the disruptive force is to shake up the Democratic primary with his billions. It is thirty five after the hour. I am Eric Erickson. This is Eric Erickson. Show if you'd like to be a part of the program you can call the radio show by picking up your phone and dialing eight seven seven nine seven. Eric E. R. I C. K.. That's that's eight. Seven seven nine seven three seven four to five import notes for you if you're on the recipe list at twelve thirty today You will get my gumbo recipe. I even did a video in the videos actually couple years and several pounds ago I Make Gumbo with my hi Turkey leftovers and because you get tired of Turkey sandwiches and after Thanksgiving you got all this food left what do you do with it. Well I turned mine into Gumbo and from Louisiana before I could leave the state. My mother insisted I learn how to make Gumbo and Jambalaya and the like and I will teach you with video. It is a real time literally realtime video. I nearly ran out of space on the camera recorder. And he takes about thirty minutes to make a decent route and I walk you minute by minute step by step through how to make Acre Ru. It is not a hard thing and you'll be able to do it and you'll be able to turn your Turkey leftovers into Gumbo if you want Gumbo It's not hard folks Just watched the video. It'll come to you at twelve thirty PM today. I already said it is ready to go out. If you'd like to be part of the list if you WANNA get on the email is if you want to get the recipes text the word recipe two three three seven seven seven text recipe two three three seven seven seven. Do you know people Last Friday Eddie. I sent out that gravy recipe. In the evening I had two thousand four hundred nine people. Two thousand four hundred nine people subscribe to the recipe list on Friday. Ah crashed my email server. That's the only reason I know the numbers I could figure out why the email server crash turns out it was I get a notice when people subscribe and I've got flooded with email notices off that list. So I hope you all enjoyed the gravy recipe. Several people sent me emails over the weekend with pictures where they had friends give what the Hell is fringe giving gene anyway. I'm sorry I shouldn't have said it that way. What the heck is friends giving? Apparently you have your friends over the Saturday before Thanksgiving and you do thanksgiving. It's flight trial. Run with your friends so you don't give your family botulism you give it to your friends. I I'm not sure with this. I know I've got a buddy of mine in Washington he's Actually Marco Rubio's chief staff great guy. Hi My Buddy Mike. He has half giving now. What is half giving? Well you take Thanksgiving and you you cut it in half from a full year to a half a year so a half year out from Thanksgiving in the spring. He has half giving where that's his friends giving. He invites all of his friends over halfway through because Thanksgiving is his favorite holiday and he loves the food and they do an entire Thanksgiving with friends in the spring and and he was the original doing this and now other people they want to do it. Why do you want to do it? The Saturday before Thanksgiving you've got so much food you've got to buy for Thanksgiving. You're going to do it all over again. No actually what you're going to do is you're going to go to your parents so union you and your friends get to hang out and drink boxed wine and bad Turkey and then go to your parents for the good one and now people have it in their head. Well I'm GonNa do it with friends and we're talk about stuff that we want and then we're gonNA sit around the table with their parents and we're nationally McKee this. Listen good for you if you want to learn to cook If you WANNA learn how to make Gumbo text recipe two three three seven seven seven. We can move on things. I guess we need to talk about Chick-fil-a real quick. I will only be brief in the the CHICK-FIL-A department. I told you guys this was going to happen. that the charities they abandoned the Salvation Army and the fellowship of Christian athletes for other groups one of them Miss Covenant House There are now some Catholic pro-life activists who have come forward and they are accusing Covenant House of driving at least one woman to get an an abortion in an abortion clinic It is in a Christian publication. Where they're making the allegation? I told you it was going to happen here. It chick-fil-a would come under renewed scrutiny. And it's new charitable endeavors would also come under scrutiny. It's also being attacked for being pro. LGBT which you know. I don't have a problem with a group. Dedicated homelessness be being pro. LGBT but it is another attack from the people who like Chick-fil-a and are upset with an abandoning the salvation ovation Army who are speculating. That chick-fil-a is throw in. Its Lot in now with the Gay Rights Activists Who wouldn't pee on their chicken sandwich if it was on fire and they're making friends of enemies by making enemies of friends. They've handled the so badly and I really do believe that they just decided they could wait out. The News Room Situation With impeachment and everything else happening last week and then headed into Thanksgiving that everyone would forget it. I'm noticing a whole lot of people on the right or not forgetting or forgiving chick-fil-a. You know it's it's their money. They can do whatever they want to do. And if they WANNA spend it they can spend it if they they don't want to spend it the they don't have to spend their money. But I just I'm I'm not sure that chick-fil-a is making a wise ice decision. And how they've handled this in. They probably need to rethink particularly the salvation army aspect of it. And now there's a rumor circulating online that chick-fil-a is it is. It's got an Obama adviser in charge of the foundation. That's helping them steer through this and a lot of people saying the left is taking over. Chick-fil-a I've actually heard from some chick-fil-a franchise owners who are none too happy with the company right now over this. Now let's go to the phones Joe in L. A. J. Welcome to the program. Joe How are Ya uh Eric. I'm doing great. I just wanted to wish you. Great Luck on your wonderful program and also wish you a happy thanksgiving. I'm working hard to elect conservative. Republicans like Marjorie Green Enrich Corgan of course DONALD TRUMP and steve more. Just call me Stephen our good friends and he's working on some tax cuts. He was on Fox business. News and and I I think that we need. We need to cut spending eric and we need to cut waste most of all Republicans in Washington as you know. We're not doing that so winston new ones but I do like the tax cuts and I think we've got a great economy. I'm a stock market guy and my portfolio is really up. So I'm I'm excited but may not want to wish you a happy Thanksgiving and best of luck with your great new program. Joe Listen thank you so much for calling in for listening to get up there I was going to give you a call going up there. We were going up therefore apple season and we wound up getting sick and we couldn't come up there but man. I love to have lunch with me. A hand we'll get we'll take love to buy you lunch my friend thanks. I very much Joe Joe mccutchen up there in Eljay Nice here people listening up up all over the state now man. I can't wait till you some of the the news we have about the stations. Picking US up. We'll be spreading literally all across the state pretty soon You can call in here. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four two five eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five is the number. The Navy secretary will move on from Chick-fil-a the Navy secretary has been fired and there are competing reasons wins for why he's actually a weird story. The president you will recall. We're GonNa let me let me pull up. Where's the news article A A Steve Steve as over the dispatch compiled this and and Senate along So Eddie Gallagher is a navy seal. He was charged large with war crimes. he was ultimately found guilty of taking a photograph with the corpse of an isis prisoner. There were reports from people who worked with the theme that he had also shot at civilians in Iraq. The president however did not want him punished. he the president Ordered him reinstated after a military tribunal found him guilty and demoted him last week. Several top Pentagon officials officials including Richard Spencer. Not The white supremacists. Mind you different Richard Spencer. Richard sprints threatened to resign. Allegedly Spencer said that he did not threaten to resign the the head of the seals however had no comment on Sunday morning. The Associated Press reported the White House had given the navy. The Go ahead for Gallagher autograph undergo an official review but by Sunday afternoon the Pentagon announced that Mike Espy. The Defense Secretary had asked Richard Spencer for his resignation. ASPIRIN TRUMP IT provided divergent explanations now S. spur says it's not because Spencer opposed Gallagher's. Reinstatement it's because Richard Spencer went to the White House Cut Esperer out of the loop and tried to propose a deal. Esperer did not like that. Spencer went around us back to the White House directly instead of going through the chain of command The President didn't however insisted gallagher needed to be permitted to retire as a seal and tweeted. He wanted Spencer fired for several different reasons including his displeasure. Over how Gallagher Algebra trial was held at Spencer's apparent failure to address quote large cost overruns from past administrations contracting procedures. It is actually a mess. Let me read you. Some of this from the dispatch prior to the events that made him nationally. Notorious Gallagher was one of the navy's most elite commandos special operations chief with five combat. Eh deployments with the seals and the recipient of several bronze stars late last year. He was arrested. On charges of multiple war-crimes members of his platoon testified. He had stabbed a wounded dyson prisoner to death and that he had a multiple occasions deliberately fired on civilians including a young girl in a bumpy awkward trial. Seven seals testified fide. Gallagher had stabbed the incapacitated prisoner text. Messages showed Gallagher apparently bragging about the actor friends back home Good story behind this red one. Got Him with my hunting knife. But proceedings were muddied by several unusual moments at one point the military judge reprimanded. The Prosecution for interfering with the trial at another prosecution. Eyewitness suddenly declared that while Gallagher at stabbed the prisoner he himself is the one who killed the guy and gallagher should be allowed to go free all the while the defense maintain eighteen. The jury should discount the testimony of the other seals as the grumbling of disgruntled subordinates. Ultimately Gallagher was acquitted of murder and attempted murder and found guilty only of the lesser charge involving the photograph. The was sentenced to time served and demoted. It's the demotion that has caused the spat now to understand. What's at play here? You got to understand that. The president has a love love for the seals and a disdain for bureaucracy and political correctness so the president intervened in this and several other cases involving accused or convicted war crimes. James He tweeted out last month. We treat our boys to be killing machines than prosecute the when they kill. He's pardoned three soldiers this year and stood accused of Khan who stood accused of convicted murder. Two of whom were released from prison. And he's followed the gallagher case which has been all over Fox News. I should add the gallery case. has been all over Fox They've made him a celebrity on Fox and the president's been following it and he ordered the navy last month to restore previous rank. Now Richard Spencer. The Navy secretary did not like this order at came in a tweet and he said he would not follow the order of a tweet. He wanted an order. The commander of the Seals Navy Special Warfare Commander Rear Admiral Colin Green also was opposed. There were reports that both threatened to resign over the weekend Spencer road his acknowledgement of termination letter. It wasn't a resignation. It was an acknowledgement that he'd been fired that he couldn't in good conscience carry out the president's order and the president deserved military officials who would follow his command now. This is actually where it gets weird because Spencer is fired. He was ordered to resign. He essentially took it as a firing by the president is sitting in an acknowledgement of his termination nation and he said He could not in good conscience. Follow the president's order in the president needed someone who would follow orders but eh spur. I says that he forced out Spencer for trying to cut a behind closed door deal to bring the matter to a close in a way that would satisfy satisfy the president. So why would the president fire a guy who was going. Behind the Secretary of Defense's back act to try to get a deal. The president would like and why would spinster put in his termination letter that the president deserved people in the military who could could follow his orders and he could not follow his orders. None of it makes any sense when you think about it. I I mean just put this in perspective again. The defense secretary claims that the Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer was fired because Richard Spencer reached out to the president directly behind. The Secretary of defense is back to cut the deal on the Eddie Gallagher case. The president says he fired spenser because spenser wouldn't do what the President President wanted among other things and in Budget Issues Spencer in his letter says he's fired because he couldn't comply with the president's order that makes it sound like the president. Is the one telling the truth here in the defense secretary's not why is the defense secretary not telling the truth in the situation. Yeah it's a very convoluted story but what it ultimately gets to is that someone is upset. That Spinster wouldn't restore gallagher's rank and I the whole thing is weird so he s Spencer went outside the chain of command. He should have been fired. And that's what the defense secretary says that he went outside the the chain command to get the president of deal. The president light but spenser in his resignation letter says that he couldn't get the president what he wanted. He needed to resign nine. None of this makes any sense. I it's more befuddling that will confuse Washington and led the pundits in Washington pontificate on what's happening in the trump industry. But it should be troubling that there is this level of confusion with the resignation of the Secretary now that being said the president's already nominated someone to replace the same Our Ambassador to Norway. His name escapes me at the moment but our ambassador to Norway has been appointed to replace or will be nominated nominated to replace the secretary of the Navy who is now out as of Sunday evening Within hours by the way this is the funniest part of this is his resignation came came within just a few hours of the associated. Press reporting that a deal had been struck everything was a okay and he would not be going anywhere now. The question remains what's GonNa Happen to that of the seals that guy supposedly threatened to resign as well and while Spencer came out and said the report wasn't true that he threatened to resign when the media reached out to the head of the seals. He he refused to comment which suggests he did. Try to threaten to resign. And maybe he still will buddy mind sent this along to me and eh I I. I really totally need to play this This is a Guy Tom Nichols. He's running for the State Senate in and South Carolina. The State Senate in South Carolina's name. Thom nickels this is three minutes. We're not gonNA listen to the whole thing but you can get a flair for this. We we've crossed over her. We've reached a point in this country where you know I distinctly remember. I was involved the Baltics at the time we there would be people who would run for Congress. Essentially saying they've got George Bush back when it came to the war on terror and vote for them. They're Republican But it was never S- aggressively pro. George Bush well. We got the the pro trump campaigns running around the the country. Now of WHO's going to be the the Trumpian You had jeff sessions the other day in Alabama didn't play this audio but listen to jeff sessions here from the other day trying to assure people that that he will totally support the president. Well that's a pretty strong series of events look. We had a disagreement over that the president did. I believe I did the thing that I was required to do. The matter has he's been cleared. It appears to me on the Russia matter for which we're grateful after a long on efforts and this inspector general which was there when I was there he will complete investigation internally and I support pro br attorney general bars efforts to investigate the predicate the foundation that was laid to start this investigation. Asian back when I was an active participant with president trump and the campaign. And so that's the right thing to do proud that the system is beginning to focus just on that and I'm confident that we'll get to the bottom of it. Hope so he. He wants to totally support the president as best he can. He's going to be the the UH the trump easiest candidate in the race according to him. And listen if that's what it takes for him to get the nomination that's fine but we have definitely entered a brave new world of WHO has the president's back which is an indication of the political moment? We're in and now there's this. Tom Nichols guy running for the state Senate in South Carolina Bliss. Listen to a minute of this. Three minute ad blue interval with his life. He's got his your. I'm straight shooting. Tom Nichols I shoot straight when I take aim and I shoot straight and who I am too. I'm a god fearing trump loving politically incorrect conservative. Along with God country and my family family. There's something also dearly love South Carolina. That's why I'm running for State Senate. I'm sick of professional politicians inclined to be conservative but don't support president trump and I'm tired of rhinos who refused to fight for the values. We hold dear flipflops who say they won't last government but actually spend more and more of our money to facials and claimed they support the Second Amendment secretly. Try to disarm law-abiding citizens and double-dealing hypocrites. Who say one thing here at home they both the opposite way in Columbia? That's not me I'm pro-trump build the border wall. Keep the economy growing and above all keep America great right now. I'm pausing right here because this makes a great point going back to Bloomberg Bloomberg did the minute forty second ad. There's no way to cut up that. Add the way he did it. There's no way to cut that up and do a minute ad. That was exactly where I stopped it. That was exactly one minute for Tom. Nichols I was exactly a one minute ad you you could cut it there and you have your first ad now. Let's get into the second minute and let's listen and see if the same thing works. We'll go another minute. I'm pro gone if you you won't open carry or concealed. Carry is fine with me the right to protect yourself from family is enshrined in the Constitution. And you shouldn't have to pay the government of fee to do either I'm pro-life my faith teaches me. The miracle of life is God's greatest blessing that's why believe life begins at conception deserves our protection and I'll stop out of control state spending dead in his tracks by introducing zero-based budgeting that's where age expanse must be justified justify from scratch instead of feathering bureaucrats nest year after year. Belief stemmed from WHO I am and how I was raised born in Alabama. The family moved to the Rock Hill area when I was five years old and spend my home ever since World War Two veteran and worked bowater. MOM raise my two brothers and me. I graduated from Rockville High School and the University of South Carolina. I met my wife Barbara as an astronaut prayer out of the blue one Dave I lost all wandered into my yard. Can't really that second minute. Although there are points in in in breaks in there and his issues would you can. Ah Meta's wife wooder. Lost dog wandered into his yard. Okay the the the circle the wagons around trump campaign paint stuff. I in a place like south. Carolina can probably get you far in a swing district. Like let's say this Congressional district here in Georgia probably not We Joe mccutchen catching cold. And he mentioned Richard McCormick in the Russian district The seven Congressional district you're GonNa have problems Rallying around the president as well although McCormick is a great guy. I support him as well. Well he's a good guy surgeon. WHO's running the seventh Congressional district here in Georgia? Speaking of Georgia. We've gotta get into some of the Georgia news including Joe Biden. Saying there are two WHO Georgians on his short list for vice presidential picks. Yes to Georgians on this list. You can get the other. Hello and welcome it. Eric Erickson here across the state of Georgia blue skies and chilly temperatures. Today it's going to warm up a little bit though the full number if you WANNA be on the program eight seven seven nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five definitely warming up. It was in the thirties. Earlier it's forty six in Athens right now. Thirty Nine Tares Ville thirty-seven Blue Ridge forty five and Carrollton and Clarksville Dalton's forty-three Jaspers forty-five Eastman's forty eight. Five Billion Valdosta Right around fifty degrees here in making it is forty five degrees outside right now. It's going to be sixty three today in making at least I gotta put up Christmas decorations. Everybody in my neighborhood now has their Christmas decorations. Ben And I'm just not sure why it's not even Thanksgiving yet and I'm morally opposed and now I'm one of those people you should know. I believe in the twelve days of Christmas. The first day of Christmas is Christmas And it goes until January sixth on January fifth if you turn your lights out. 'cause it's bad luck afterwards but I was raised in South Louisiana. We take our twelve days of Christmas very seriously. You never ever ever take your Christmas decorations down until January six and it drives is my wife insane but the first day of Christmas December twenty twenty fifth. That is not the last day of Christmas. Now I will move on from my tirade. Joe Biden is is floating to Georgia to be his potential vice presidential pick. It's not gonNA happen on either. He he was in Georgia and so it was on his mind although he waited until he got to Iowa to make the case Stacey Abrams and Sally Yates what's the X.. Acting US attorney general from Atlanta Man She has become just a a resistance. Fan Fiction Hero Sally Gates as she not not for warning the Vice President Mike Flynn Getting Flynn fired and then getting booted by the president. He didn't name anybody specifically Joe Biden said but he said I could could start naming people but the press will think that's who I picked But his list would include people like The former assistant attorney general who got fired and the woman woman who should have been governor of Georgia and the two senators from the state of New Hampshire. Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hasson E Yeah we'll see stacey. Abrams is not going to be listened. Again I always feel. Well I shouldn't say feel bad but just just uh-huh you know where I stand on Stacey Abrams she and I we disagree on everything in politics. I interviewed everybody running for governor in two thousand eighteen everybody. I interviewed interviewed all the Democrats and all the Republicans and she was one of the best interviews that I had She and Brian Kemp actually were probably two of the best interviews. I had For the exact same reason both were very laid back Abrahams in particular. She was a conservative talk station with a conservative host who ideologically disagrees with her and we actually actually had a very meaningful conversation about her life and background. There is a lot there to admire about Stacey Abrams even if you disagree with politics. I know we're not supposed to say stuff like that at these days. We're supposed to hate everybody on the other side. They're all bad but she's actually very nice person and we disagree on pretty much everything. We found some common ground and the need he to help rural areas of the state But even there we we had our differences but I liked politicians. Here's my rule of thumb because I've been in politics for a while. Now I know presidents. I I've met prime ministers. I know senators. I know congressman. I know lots of governors and I find it most endearing endearing when I meet someone in politics who can make a joke about themselves. Those of the politicians I like the most. The politicians sounds who are willing to poke fun at themselves. Tend to be more authentic. And while I may disagree with Stacey Abrams on tons of stuff politically stacey. Abrams will poke fun at herself. She can laugh at herself. And I liked that. I know politicians some of whom you know some of whom you really like. And they cannot poke fun at themselves And they're very sensitive to anyone poking fun at them so when you find someone who's willing to take a crack on themselves. Oh you know that's a person who I think is more grounded in reality. Even if I think their policies are bad or they would ruin the state economically if they got elected and I think Abrahams would be bad but but the reality here with with Abrahams and Biden. Is that Stacey. Abrams never rose to more than the minority leader in the State House. Representatives in Georgia and while that may be a resistance play resistance fan fiction play for the Democrats saying with Sally Yates to was just an acting. US Attorney she was a deputy us attorney for a while. But they're not really. I mean look at. Let's look at Mike Pence. Mike Pence was a member of Congress for years and then governor of a State Mitt. Romney picked Paul Ryan who had been in the House of Representatives for a number of years respected Republican leader When it came to the budget whether you care for his policies or not he had been in Washington for a number of years and had a deep background in public policy Sarah Palin was was a governor of a state Joe Biden was one of the longest serving members of the Senate when Barack Obama Victim Tim Caine headed impressive. Record in the Senate and Virginia Politics All had done things at one statewide stacey. Abrams ran one state wide race and lost. That's not really a qualification. Advocation to be president. You know I will give you my theory on hugh the Democratic vice presidential pick will be And Hang on. I gotta get her name because her I always forget her Michelle Grisham Michelle. Grisham is my guess for who would be not a democratic pick. Now why She is the thirty second governor of New Mexico she served in the US House of Representatives. She became the first democratic woman elected governor of New Mexico she became the first democratic Latina elected state executive in the history of the United States. She was secretary jury of Health for New Mexico. She was a Bernalillo County Commissioner. She was elected defeating a Republican for. Then how seat she shared the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. She won the Democratic Governor of New Mexico and defeated. Steve Pierce the Republican who had also been a member KNBR congress. That is my guess that she makes a lot of since she makes a lot of sense to be If Vice President Biden's pickering else's picked because the Hispanic Latino vote in this country is up for grabs between the parties so oh you get the first elected statewide Hispanic female governor a new may for the second or third you make her the third female vice presidential nominee the first female Hispanic vice presidential nominee you galvanize Hispanic support for the Democrats that just that makes sense to me. I mean both parties. These days are obsessed with demographic politics that would be perfect demographic politics the fact that she hasn't come up E I don't think is is meaningful in any way because we're still a long way from that process of vetting I do think though that saying something like Stacey Abrams or Sally Yates at scratches the resistance each of the Democrats. Let's without being very meaningful and I don't mean that disrespectfully but objectively and I think Stacey Abrams would agree with this. She has only been elected successfully to a State House seat in Georgia. And that's it If Joe Biden were to Keel over the day after becoming president would that make you a qualified person to be president of the United States. Probably not probably not and that's just the reality of it but hey George is in the news With Biden in his pixel tale. There's another issue in the news and that continues to be in. This is a national news story even though it is about Georgia Three hundred thirteen eighteen thousand voter cancellations moving forward in the state of Georgia four percent Of the state because they moved away a or haven't participated in elections Four percent of the registered voters not total population seven point four million registered voters. Three hundred. Thirteen thousand now. What you need to know again is that The majority of these over a hundred eighty four thousand of them actually. The last time I counted it was two hundred ten thousand of them. I'm actually our people who move to a new district and have subsequently reregistered in a new location or they've moved out of State so oh you're really only talking about a hundred thousand people that the state can't find those people who haven't voted since the beginning of two thousand in twelve. They did not vote in the presidential election of two thousand twelve. They did not vote in the gubernatorial election. Two thousand fourteen. They did not vote. In the presidential election. Two Thousand Sixteen they did not vote in the gubernatorial election section of two thousand eighteen. They have not voted in any municipal elections in between It turns out of the three hundred thirteen thousand people who the state was going ended. Disqualify for having not voted in seven years. Ninety ninety of them actually they showed up and voted in municipal elections this year this is from the AJC and analysis by the Atlanta Constitution of the list of voters who cast ballots this month found ninety registered. Numbers that match names of people who had been scheduled for cancellation voting is one way to protect their registrations. Election officials intend to remove through thirteen thousand the state seven point four million registered voters because they moved away or have participated in elections in seven years. The Secretary of State's office has said the inactive voters probably relocated catered to another state meaning. They aren't eligible to vote. Critics of Georgia's use it or lose it. Law which cancels infrequent voters every other year says it jeopardizes the voting rights of residents. Because they haven't cast ballots recently that such garbage the word recently interpreted by left wing. Activists means seven years. These people have not voted in seven years about one hundred twenty one thousand registrations are being canceled for inactivity since two thousand twelve or earlier the other one hundred ninety two thousand house and either changed File change of address forums or mail from elections officials was returned as undeliverable voter. Registrations can be cancelled for activity after they failed L. Davitti contact with elections officials for three years and then didn't participate in the next two general elections voters will the state's cancellation lists were mailed notices their registrations. Won't I'll be removed. They signed him return. Postage paid oestgaard within thirty days they can also just show up and vote or reregister they make it really really really easy for you to keep up the befuddling hypocritical thing here of left wing activists who is the reason that they're concerned with this is not because they think it's voter suppression is that they want nurse grievances. They want black voters who overwhelmingly voted in record numbers in two thousand eighteen to believe that Brian kept suppress their vote. By the way polling shows that black voters in Georgia brank has grown on him over a third of black voters in the state now support Branka. He only got about ten to fifteen percent of their vote so he's more than doubled his support of black voters in the state. Since two thousand house eighteen. They'll be able to be his own man in twenty twenty two but they nurse this grievance. The left does because they really want you to believe there systematic suppression vote. But the reality is these people have not voted in seven years. And how easy is the state making it to stay registered. You get a prepaid envelope prepaid postcards. You don't even have to stick get in an envelope you tear off the card. You sign your name and you stick it in the mailbox it is prepaid. You don't put it in an envelope. You don't have to put a stamp on it. It's already taking care of or you call all your local board of elections. The postcard helpfully has the number of the local board of elections. You just call them and say hey. Got The postcard. I still WANNA be on the voter list or unbelievably evily inconceivably. You just show up vote. That's it nine hundred people showed up and voted and will not now have their voter. Registration Gratien cancelled ninety. People out of three hundred thirteen thousand people you know. Many of these people probably got Richard Vote when they signed up there for the driver's license and they don't want to vote. The past is a pretty good indicator of a voters habit The president's team and the Democrats are pouring massive massive amounts of money into getting people who are registered to vote and have never voted to come out and vote and the reality is. They're not going to get many of those people. Most people who do not vote will not now vote. Most people who didn't vote in the last. Three presidential elections are not gonNa vote in this election. It's not worth the time him of people now because there's so much value put into civic participation. We all have to vote. No actually people are stupid. The voters the better in my opinion Voters they go. Oh Oh I like this person. He's good looking. I'm GonNa vote for him or oh I like her dress. I guess I'm GonNa vote for her people who I you know the idea that it is a civic good to have everyone turn out and vote. I think is wrong and I. I'm sure people will criticize me for saying it but no you should not go. Vote if you. You don't know who the candidates are and what they stand for if you're going because you think someone's good looking or you like their ad but you know nothing about him. Don't go vote. Educate Yourself. I there's no reason for an uneducated person person to show up and vote based on someone's tie color or dress color or or. They smiled on camera or or nonsense. Like that. And you'd be amazed at the number of people who do that. It's like grade school. Kids who were asked to participate in election. They know nothing about it other than their parents complained about appraised at home but then they say oh. Oh my name's James. I'm going to vote for James Please. Let's stop with the idea that that we should as many voters as possible to go vote. No we shouldn't. We should get as many informed informed educated voters as possible to go vote and preferably people who pay taxes should go vote About their taxes. What do they want with their taxes? But the the idea that that just everybody auty should go vote. Now we should have sixteen-year-olds Andrew Yang the Democratic candidate. He wants a sixteen year olds to vote. Why do you want a sixteen year old to vote? They can barely even drive. You've because they know there's a democratic. There's a democratic demographic democratic shift in voters the younger. You are the voters voters don't pay taxes. And they think oh government's GonNa give me free stuff. I'll go vote for the Democrats. Know you should want people who pay taxes to voter or people who have at least attempted to pay taxes action in the past. Maybe they're so old they don't pay taxes but you've got an interest in this country. You should go vote but the people who have no interest whatsoever other than they're watching. TV At night the go she smiled. I'm going to go vote for her. She likes Taylor Swift. I'm going to go vote for her. Just people are stupid. I'm not a big fan of the idea that everyone should vote. No not everyone should vote. Some people should not vote why because they don't even know who they're voting for their voting for all top of the ballot. I'll vote for that guy. No learn. Educate yourself get informed and then go vote. But don't just vote because people tell you have to vote. Dole bowed appear pressure ever included on voting. Learn and educate yourself first gumbo recipe. Goes out at twelve thirty today. If you want on the list text recipe two three three seven seven seven I did. A video is actually a couple of years old Several lighter Me Cooking Gumbo and we're actually did it in real time so that you could see for yourself how to make the rule who Basically you stir nonstop flour and oil over medium heat for thirty to forty minutes until it gets as dark as you want it I actually like my little darker than I did in the video but I didn't want to freak people out by getting them close to burn in their ru But Yeah I turn my Turkey into Gumbo every year after Thanksgiving because you get tired Turkey sandwiches after awhile and so if you WANNA learn how to make Gumbo I make it easy for you. I got my personal recipe So text recipe two three three seven seven seven and you can get it. I guess I've got a book out with a bunch of my favorite recipes including this win in it. I should get a link for you on that speaking of Turkey. Did you know you can't hunt Turkey. I mean if you regularly hunt you know you can't hunt Turkeys right now. There are a two hundred fifty thousand birds in the state of Georgia by estimate but state law forbids hunting them during this time of year. Turkey hunting is allowed only in the early spring meeting. If you want to eat them you gotta go. Put them in the freezer and the spring hang or go to your local Publix or ingles or or Kroger So what can you hunt right now. you know. I've never been hunting and I got several Fridge Ortega. Take me and I actually want to go. I want to buy a new rifle. I've got an Ar Daniel Defense they are. But I WANNA I wanNA fancy rifle and I won't Komo and I want to go sit in a deer stand and do nothing Where my phone doesn't work? Just gotTa sit there and wait for deer. I I actually think I would like to do that. But you can hunt deer rabbit raccoon squirrel roll. And I I gotTa tell you if I were to bring home a possum or a squirrel for Thanksgiving dinner I would probably be headed to divorce court. The next day I who who does that honey Turkey so I got us a possum. That was in the backyard ARD. Oh my gosh the city slickers of the AJC wrote this. You can do a Squirrel Squirrel Gopher Gopher you can get a raccoon anybody what to eat or I'm going to gag just thinking about this. Would you WANNA raccoon for money there was foaming at the mouth. Let's see this for Thanksgiving deer. Would it'd be more acceptable. You can also show you have unlimited crow. You can kill as many as you want an eat crow if you like you can also do dove of quail duck and geese but they have bag limits according. Jeez I wouldn't mind doing doug you know I took a trip out west. Somebody's Couple of weeks ago. It was my my vegas weekend and we ate it It's the only Michelin starred Chinese restaurant in the country Wing Lay in the wind casino. And we did the picking duck table service and man. It was incredible I I have not had duck since I was a kid and forgot how much I like. Duck But we'll do a Turkey at Thanksgiving And you can do a Turkey to it. They don't don't do a possum or raccoon please we. We don't actually we know the pilgrims actually eight Some sources speculate they probably did Actually Hunt And get Turkey but probably more likely duck and geese Turkey's of course are really really really hard to get in the wild. They've got great eyesight. According to this article they can see you blink from fifty yards away and can remember which Turkey calls and decoys or not the real deal. I got a friend of mine who loves to hunt Turkey in the spring There are two hundred fifty thousand in Georgia right now l.. There were three hundred. Fifty thousand loss of habitat has caused a decline in other things that are causing decline. That people aren't sure of but you could always go to the grocery store were to get your domesticated Turkey to eat for the holidays. We will actually move onto other stuff when we come back again. Twelve thirty the gumbo recipe for turning your Turkey. It's actually a chicken sausage gumbo recipe. But I show you how you can do seafood or you can do your Thanksgiving leftovers. BREITBART DOT COM is out attacking. I'm Kelly Laughlin who is not the Senate nominee from Brian. Kemp but probably will be. He hasn't made the announcement yet She is being attacked by Breitbart bar for. She's being called a country club. Republican and that she is tied to Stacey Abrams now. Interestingly early enough that they they get so stupid. Oh so a Kelly. Law Floor is in management with a WNBA team here in Atlanta and Stacey Abrams join the WNBA players Union which puts her on opposite sides sides of arguments from Kelley Waffler. But somehow or another. There's a tie. The the other issue is that apparently kill off or has ties to planned parenthood. But that's actually The WNBA gives a portion of ticket sales to six nonprofits planned. Parenthood was one of them. a law. Flynn apparently was opposed to the decision to go with planned parenthood. You know I'm going to pause from this issue issue in circle back to the CHICK-FIL-A issue if you have not heard if you were not here. The first hour chick-fil-a is it was attack for supporting the Salvation Army by the left. It has now dropped the Salvation Army. What are the nonprofits? It has decided to support now is called Covenant House coveted houses being attacked by some evangelical for being gene pro. LGBT apparently aggressively so But it's real sin. There's a Christian publication out that says is to Catholic pro-life Activists Saul covered else. Take a woman to get an abortion and Chick-fil-a of course now coming into scrutiny for Covenant House. What what I find remarkable workable is how a group like the Salvation Army can be a pariah? Despite the good work it does and somehow all of these groups like the WNBA BA and the like Think nothing of giving charitable contributions to planned parenthood. And no one on the right has as much outrage as people on the left. Do for giving money to the Salvation Army and Chick-fil-a it appears has gone woke There I've seen so many people over the weekend on facebook and twitter. Unlike circulating a story about an Obama adviser has now been retained by the Chick-fil-a Foundation. Tell the oversee giving and say now. That's why they're going woke. That's why they're going to the left chick-fil-a hey looks like it wants to increase its friends among its enemies by making enemies of its friends and that they launched all of this in the run. Run up to Thanksgiving so people could forget it and let it go but number of these Christian outlets out there and I guess they'll say myself as as well but it is a new story then I think is worth covering covering that. They're continuing to highlight the story now. No one's calling for a boycott of chick-fil-a on the right. And you don't have connective is out there saying we're going to stop eating chick-fil-a but it is notable I think with an organization that has been defined defined by family values begins to abandon its family values stance to appease a bunch of people who wouldn't pee on its owners if they were on fire very much like. I always thought it was crazy. Nathan deal vetoing the religious liberty legislation in Georgia The anti religious liberty activists out there the people who hate Christians They would not give Nathan deal the time of day. They wouldn't pee on him if he were on fire and yet he can constantly while he was governor hunter wanted to make friends of his enemies by pissing off his base and and he did it regularly And Look I like governor deal. I thought he did a great job with school. Reform here in Georgia worship but it was just crazy to me. He would veto a religious liberty legislation that the base clearly wanted and that he said he would sign only to placate the mob and had chick fillet now. Looks like it wants to placate the mob. The mob not only going to not be placated but conservative activists are now casting the spotlight and giving scrutiny to these new cherries. Exactly the as I told you would happen. And they're chick-fil-a continues to ignore it in won't address people's concerns. I just. I'm personally offended that chick-fil-a would run away from the Salvation Army. It's their money. They can do with it as they will If chick-fil-a wanted to stop giving money to charity tomorrow that's fine. They can give money to planned planned parenthood. If they want now I I absolutely would not eat there if they gave money to planned parenthood. Just like I wouldn't go to an WNBA game if they're giving money to planned parenthood but it's just the it's it's mind numbing to me that Chick-fil-a an organization that has prided itself on its wholesomeness. It's cultural conservative values and willing to withstand the the tide suddenly decides. It's going to cave to the outrage mob and it hasn't placated the outrage mob but has certainly generated outrage on the other side now all of that back to Brian Kim and Kelley law floor. I am I. I'm not amazed by it. It's what I've come to expect the spin. That is out that the the governor of Georgia has somehow made a mistake by doing this nominating process keeping dragged out and allowing a bunch of people to come forward and and speculate on who could be where the governor did was he did a transparent process. Where if you wanted to be if he wanted to be the Senate appointment to replace? Johnny is you had to file forum saying you're interested in and you had to give your resume and over. Five hundred people did a whole lot of nutters did did Is Somebody in. The governor's office told me Originally one of the reasons they did what they did was they could weed out immediately. All the people that shouldn't be the nominee and they can move on to the people who are credible and serious Doug Collins applied My friend Jason Vittore applied who I think should be the pick But I have no say in it. Kelly law applied to the very end. The governor said he was going to close the deadline five. PM On Monday and lawler through hers in just afternoon on Monday and and then the nominations closed and it looked like all the fixes in is probably going to be her well. It wasn't necessarily I am now told and I have now talked to people I I haven't wanted to talk to anybody. I have just elected at speculation. I've now talked to people and over the word that I get from people. Is that Those close to the Governor View Congressman Collins Actions is somewhat disqualifying now that the making big PR push for it in the way it's been don and bringing pressure on. The governor is the one way to ensure. The governor doesn't pick you. There is spin out there that is easily embraced by the Paragon of conventional wisdom in Washington in Atlanta that the governor leaving the door open like this and heavy this dominations process. It was actually actually mistake that he should have done it behind closed doors. I think they're wrong. And this is not just me defending the governor on this Because I like the governor actually think what the governor did was smart he Forced a bunch of people who desperately coveted the seat to put upper shut up and most of them shut up. They didn't do it. That eliminated the governors. Need need to have to play the political angles that he would otherwise have to play like for example Egypt Dunkin for example or Chris car I don't know whether they were interested or not. There are a lot of people thinking. Oh it should be one of them. If they wanted it they should get it. They didn't apply so the governor. If he hadn't done this would have to navigate that issue behind the scenes because neither of them applied allied. He did not have to engage those behind the scenes processes that could be fraught with political peril for himself and those people Listen it would not be good if Jeff Dunkin. I'm can did a pulled the Doug Collins and openly campaigned for it and did not get it it would be a huge rift between him and the governor. Jeff Duncan played this very very smart being happy with where he is. The governor being happy where he is. They've made tremendous tag team across the state of Georgia. They've done a very good job working together. So now We've got a situation where Doug Collins is openly campaigning for the job and that is rubbing people wrong but Several pundits out there in the national press of the local press at all of this is creates a power vacuum. The governor leaving the seat open too long at a lousy people to campaign for it and puts the governor at a fraud position. You know what it does. It allows the governor because of the way Those around Doug Collins have managed this and people in the White House of manage this allows the governor to say you know what I'm my own man and this is the the role of point of the people I have now talked to over the weekend that People close to governor view this as a win for the governor whether the president or or or people close to die collins or anyone else likes it or not. The governor's team. Now use this as a win because it shows. The governor picks someone out of the box that the governor this is old man. He's willing to make his own mistakes. He's willing to make his own successes. He's willing to make his own picks he's not going to be dictated to by Washington. Then because this has gotten so much exposure in the media here in Georgia it definitely shows that the governor is not beholden to the president. He thinks the president for his support. He thinks governor for thinks the president for his endorsement. But he's not gonNA to allow the president to dictate who the senator will be Georgia. And I think they're right on this. I think this makes Brian Look like his own man. It makes Brian. Kim Look like someone who can Dan and will defy pressure political pressure coming from the right to do the right thing. It also makes it look like Brian kept keeps his promises. Brian KIP Is A governor. Who Two has wanted to be out of the box he's wanted to make some nonconventional picks I I look. I think it's a great idea and I think that it. It is a a win for the governor in that. If he does pick someone on the bucks let's say he picks Kelley Law for the governor of Georgia will be sending the second woman from Georgia to the United States Senate. The first woman was also appointed for that role and now there will be a second woman and and she would also be on the ballot. Twenty twenty two with Brian Guilt. She would have time to establish herself in the same way Brian Time to establish himself in the governor's office and I think there's a I just think this has been a smart play by the governor by doing this The the idea of power vacuum and the idea let let me let me if I sound like I'm hedging a little bit. It's because I'm trying not to be insulting to people. I like what the heck straight shooter Timah up conventional wisdom thing. Conventional wisdom is when the pundits the elite the reporters. They sit in a room room And they they pick each other's brains and they arrive at consensus opinions that all scratches certain issues for them and that conventional wisdom is then pontificated on newspapers and editorialists on websites on social media and even in the shaping of news on TV and radio and the conventional conventional wisdom that has come out of Washington DC. That is not sympathetic to Brian. Kemp is that Brian Kemp has made a strategic mistake by doing this and that conventional wisdom doom has trickled down into the local news as well and you hear various political reporters at others suggesting this has all been a big mistake by the governor because it's dragged out the process what exactly at least the processes dragged out. It has caused the Democrats to see Matt Lieberman jump into the race when they were trying desperately to keep everyone out until there was a pick matt. Lieberman is now doing fundraisers fundraisers. He's now raising money for a Senate race where the Democrats were hoping to have someone notable it has caused the media highlight over and over the flaws with the current Democratic candidates against against David Perdue and has helped David Purdue in that regard it has allowed the media to highlight the lack of a bench in Georgia as the Democrats plumbed the depths trying to find someone because Stacey Abrams won't run it has allowed the Republicans to get wind of the fact that these people are looking at a handful of candidates and they want to run against the Republican so the Republicans have had time the opposition research while the Democrats have not had time for opposition research on the Republicans. Because no one knew who the governor was going to pick. I mean all the rumors circulating every single person. I've talked to across the board has said no one has any idea. We only now know that the governor is leaning towards Kelley. Law Flirt because of all the the Kabuki theater from Washington. DC over Doug Collins so now the Democrats have to rush out trying to find opposition research on her and do some focus group polling on who best among the Democrats will go up against her. But there's so much about are we don't know Oh we don't even know she's actually the pick so much conventional wisdom in Washington and the Atlanta press core among the political pundits. And the like is premised on Brian. Kim Not being smart guy because they really liked Casey cable. And this has nothing to do with Casey Cable and no disrespect. Respect is intended to Casey giggle but the entire Atlanta political establishment were convinced that Casey caygill was going to be the Republican nominee. The polls were aligned for Casey caygill legal. The research was aligned for Casey Hegel Stacey Abrams entire campaign apparatus was built around the idea of Casey caygill. Being the guy and frankly there are a lot of people in the in the Abrahams who didn't think she could beat cable and when it was Kim. They were joyous exuberant. When they got into the run off they were convinced camp would be totally vulnerable and then look what happened but the entire conventional wisdom in Washington in Atlanta has routinely underestimated Brian Kemp and the entire conventional wisdom in Atlanta in Washington? Washington has routinely been packaged along the idea of when the governor goes out of the box and he does things different from his predecessors. That somehow bad it's not bad. Just it's different but it's different and it's different in a way that these people don't expect and it's different in a way that cuts them out of the loop and that's the ultimate sin here for Brian. Kemp is that Brian. Kim Has kept people people out of the loop in Washington in Atlanta. He hasn't talked and been forthcoming to the National Republican Senatorial Committee. I know because these guys text me on a regular basis. Ask You when I've heard so they clearly. We haven't heard anything from Kim. He's cut the White House out of the loop on this. I know because the White House staff emails me regularly and text me asking whatever which means the governor has. It said anything to them he to to some degree. I'm told US cut. David produced him out of the loop. They have no idea and he certainly cut the Atlanta press corps of the loop and that is an unforgivable unpardonable sin that in creating a transparent process where everyone could see who applied. They dared to suggest that maybe he would go behind the scenes and not actually keep his word or actually reopen but in finding other people or go behind the scenes encourage other people to apply. Meanwhile the Governor Governor. He's doing what he said. He's keeping his promises. He's making some bold picks. I don't agree with all the specs but they're good pics. I mean unquestionably qualified. People Kelly loafer would be a very interesting person. Now here's the problem for the governor objectively. So the buzz. The rumor the anticipation is that he will pick Kelly lawler. It's time to go on and make it official if it's her because the opposition research is going to melt into the governor drags this out further and it is her then. He's going to allow people to do the opposition. Russian hits on Kelley Law Firm to find her negatively with the Republican base. That will mount a challenge against her. If they don't think she's a strong pick the sooner you get her out and let her define herself off the better. It's going to be at this point. Yes thanksgiving is coming and people are tuned out. But if you don't make this roll out the Monday after Thanksgiving there are going to be problems because you do have people thinking they'll oh mount a challenge. Remember it's a jungle primary you get five Republicans who want challenge hill off. Or they're all on the ballot with her along with all the Democrats who run so. Oh you got to get her out there you gotta make her strong. You've gotta get a bunch of money and you've got to let her defied herself before the other people do the other thing that needs to happen on the Kelly Leffler picket. I can't stress. This is enough is she. NEEDS TO USE Georgia consultants. There are a bunch of consultants in Washington. DC who would love to make money off of this woman. She better ignore every single one of them. Look at the people in the seventh seventh congressional district who have outside Washington consultants coming in what. What's what's the WHO's the woman in the southern Congressional districts? She's the businesswoman I could tell she wasn't going to gain any traction out of the gate because she hired a bunch of losing consultants from Washington. DC who were notorious for making money off of candidates without ever actually having those candidates win. If LAWFORD does something like that that's going to spell trouble out of the gate she should rely on. Frankly Governor kipps campaign team to get her through the Senate and then in twenty twenty two they can tag team together running for two thousand twenty two. But she's got through twenty twenty I. This is pretty impressive. In fact I W. Rg News in role. MOM broadcast up there on W.. Org Ninety eight point seven FM fourteen. Seventy am They've got the story from the Wrong Police Department Canine Handler Josh. Josh Glover and his partner Canine ash of numerous seizures of large quantities of drugs with a street value of over a million dollars A million dollars ashes a Belgian Mullen Wa and celebrated two year anniversary ash was selected as a new department. Canine by glover lover in two thousand seventeen and with the twelve week training program. Now get this get this. That's only one. There's also lex also a Belgian Mellon Wa. Aw celebrated one year anniversary and E. They've seized over two million illegal. Contraband using canines Purchasing train community contributions combining lex. Just fascinating story. This one dog Ash sees Million dollars it looks like from the headlines Because of Canine Ashes consists of US twenty nine pounds of illegal narcotics including marijuana methamphetamine amine heroin cocaine and synthetic narcotics have been removed from the Rome area streets and then just this. The total loss to drug dealers is one million nine hundred ninety two thousand five hundred ten dollars. Sixty cents worth of cash and drugs. The street value of the drugs alone is one point. Nine million million dollars Them using the the canines up there. Now the the important takeaway here is that these canines were purchased and trained using community contributions contributions in the Rolm area which is fantastic floyd county according to this Wgn News Dot com is committed to helping reduce the number of overdose deaths in the community in decreasing crime. relitigate drug activity violence Steph Criminal Street gangs the county received HIV designation high intensity drug trafficking area designation this year and will start receiving federal support. Now think about that. By the way that the Rome area has has been designated a high intensity drug trafficking area marijuana cocaine methamphetamine heroin ecstasy Really he's something else Happened up in the northwest part of Georgia but these dogs again community. Contributions have helped to get these dogs. Two million dollars in illegal. Contraband now ashes relatively new. You've got lexin ash or two of the dogs spotlighted here to separate articles oracles Ash is relatively new as a police. Canine but he's made a substantial difference in the community. He's responsible for the apprehension of numerous suspects thanks to the use of his dual-purpose training which gives them the ability to track search and apprehend if needed in addition to this Asher lifesaving award for his ability to track and locate a missing scene female along with her infant during the late hours of the night. He's detected and seized over one million dollars worth of illegal narcotics and four thousand eight eight hundred dollars in cash during the current year. These values are determined by using the the height as drug trafficking area standards Because of his consistent us this is the dog the Belgian while Malawai named Ash Twenty nine pounds of illegal narcotics have been taken from the streets. God bless these dogs and the police officers who train them Josh Glover is one of them who has been trained and share a Hovers is the partner for lex who have been conducting investigative stops and patrol duties with these dogs good for them and good for wr Highlighting this effort have been Floyd County and it requires community systems around the state to help get in train these dogs. They're just phenomenal companions for law. And you know it was a Belgian Mon wa who What's his name Daddy? In the caves in Iraq was a Belgian Mellon Wa that hundred him down and track team and got injured in the process. Hello and welcome it. Is Eric Erickson here across the state of Georgia. Thank thank you for joining me today and actually great weather outside right now. I can see outside my window blue skies after all the rain on Saturday. I couldn't you all the the people in my neighborhood putting up the Christmas decorations and it's pouring down rain on Saturday. Like why are you people. You'RE GONNA die of pneumonia. Then on Sunday I started getting all my stuff up in the cold and wind. And maybe death by Damone. You wouldn't be so bad the full number if you want to be a part of the program. Seven seven and nine seven Eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five I. I just want to I I want to. Let's say that it takes me awhile to decorate not quite Clark griswold but I do put a lot of lights and it drives my wife crazy. 'CAUSE I keep them up until December December sixth A because you know I celebrate the the twelve days of Christmas and they begin on December twenty fifth actually the night of December twenty four th at sunset and so at by sunset on January fifth. I have turned the lights off in. You celebrate three Kings Day and then you start Gumbo Murdo season. Mardi gras season starts January. Six Th inning. That's just the way the calendar works. Don't blame me blame. God okay. Now I was going need to get into the impeachment stuff and I will get impeachments But I've decided I've made an executive decision. I'll get into the impeachment stuff but I I want to talk about the Rick Perry stuff because the Rick Perry stuff comes on the heels of the Franklin Graham. What's his Eric? Metaxas stuff. Eric Metaxas and Franklin Graham had a conversation the other day or Metaxas is a He's a biographer. He's a writer. He did a great biography of Bonn hoffer and kind of be clowned himself. I I think in two thousand sixteen with some of his Rabid trump's weren't listening. You write a book on on Dietrich Bond Hoffer and then you start attacking people who don't support the president because of his his character and the like and I find that The clowning whether you support the president or not. If you can't acknowledge the man has some deep character her flaws We've got problems because he does. And I do think that you will find Christians Rallying to Donald Trump again a three three-times-married multiple divorced man. WHO's had affairs with Porn Stars? Because e he may have had affairs with born stars in committed adultery serially and not not really no who two Corinthians are but he's not out to get the Christian faith and I get that I totally get that The leftist coming for you so you might as well stand with Donald Trump. But this idea that that you need a strong man of the White House to protect Christianity when you have the God of all creation protecting Christianity is is anathema to me. It's a silly silly idea of American in Christianity that somehow we're all victims when the god of the universe stands with us but That spilled over the the Franklin Graham Eric Metaxas conversation involved a Franklin Graham saying the constant opposition to president trump is almost demonic and Eric Metaxas jobs at says. No I disagreed is all all spiritual warfare. And and they went into how the economy's good and so Christians could give churches and on and on and and God's involved in all of this you know God was involved lived in God was involved in picking Barack Obama as well. Romans Thirteen says God puts our leaders in positions of power. He raises up our leaders. Now you may plan your footsteps. But God's that's the Path And Rick Perry essentially took that on on Fox News this weekend but it it's kind hyde of actually a a big issue and the Fox is essentially said that God himself or deigned Donald Trump. And he's doing in God's will and all the they blew up. What repeat it out of proportion? I WanNa play what period actually said on Fox God used imperfect people all through history king. David wasn't perfect. Perfect Saul wasn't perfect Salman Perfect And I actually gave the president a little one pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago and and I shared with him. I said Mr President I know there are people that say you know you. You said you were chosen one And and I said you were I. I said if if you're a believing Christian you understand God's plan for the people who rule and judge judge over us on this planet in our in our government and less people on the left attack. Rick Perry he pointed out to me he believes Brock Obama was sent by God. I just well for that moment. In that time he said he thinks for this moment this time Donald Trump was sent by God to do great things. Well you know got also since locust plagues legs and turned rivers into blood. So we don't know the thinking of God but we do know that He sins are leaders. In fact. If you look at Romans thirteen eighteen Let me just read this for you. ESV Of course. That's the way God wrote it. Let every person be subject to the governor authorities for there is no authority except from God and those that that exist have been instituted by God therefore whoever resists the authorities resist what God has appointed in those who resist will incur judgment for rulers are not a terror to good conduct but too bad would would you have no fear of the one who is in authority. Then do what is good and you will receive his approval for he is God's servant for your good but if you do wrong be afraid for. He does not bear the sword in vein for he's The Servant of God and adventure who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer therefore one must be in subjection not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience for because because of this you also pay taxes for the authorities or ministers of God attending to this very thing pay to all what is owed to them taxes to whom taxes road revenue to whom revenues when he was owed respect for whom respect is owed honored for whom onerous now of course Progressive Christians and atheists point this out and say well. Why aren't you supporting abortion Why why don't you want to fund abortions wire you hobby lobby little sisters of the poor? Whoever fighting the government when your scripture says the governments appointed by God and they're doing God's will well because we also know from scripture that there are times that the governing authorities come into conflict with God's law and God's Lorraine Supreme God puts people in charge? He may put them there to to support you. He may put them there to test. You and there are a lot of people. A A Lotta Evangelical Christians who look at Donald Trump is being. Put there to protect them but there are other evangelical who look at Donald. Trump is being there to test you to to see how faithful you you are I it is honestly. Let me just have a moment of candor. That's GonNa make some y'all man here. It is appalling to me to see some prominent and even Jellicoe in this country who will go on TV and defend everything. The president does when there are some things. The president does that. You don't need to defend there are people who will deny I Until they're blue in the face that the president cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star when it is objectively certifiably. True that he did and that's not conduct that needs needs to be praised in nor is it conduct that needs to be excused. This is a president who is a sinner like the rest of us This is a president who you will recall. In the general election in two thousand sixteen eighteen was praising planned parenthood for the good things it does yes he absolutely did and you had certain evangelical pastors supporting the President's plan Berto does great work other than that abortion and stuff that they do great work and all that stuff should be funded. They just can't be funded with abortion the. Why are you praising planned? Parenthood Ministers of the Gospel is. It's been I'm deeply frustrating but at the same time. Let's also be clear. There are a lot of atheists out there who don't understand Christian scripture And they quote it selectively throwing in people's faces Pete Buddha Juju doing that with with certain passages of scripture where he says it's all nebulous but he feels free to selectively quote. The things he likes they thinks can be used against actual Christians When he's running for offices in the PISCOPO alien but at the same time you know scripture is pretty clear in Rick Perry's pretty clear that all leaders come about because has god wants them there that includes Barack Obama and that includes Donald Trump? Some of the most some of the anger that I've gotten some of the most angry responses I've gotten On social media in the past from conservatives have been to point out to them that scripture command you to pray for Barack Obama when he was president because all leaders are appointed by God. What I find more notable and the reason I wanted to get to this and we will get to because? There's a lot to talk about an impeachment each man but I I keep trying to put it all in large part because I'm tired of the subject and I don't know that it's GonNa go anywhere but when I find notable these days is how many people people on the left and many secularists don't actually understand the basics of Christianity anymore. I've told you guys this. In the past It was Camille Paglia Paglia who receives the art history Professor Lesbian analogous. She says she transgender. I don't know But she's she's a rather conservative in her views or Libertarian Tyrian. At least and she's told the story in the past of how her incoming college students at the at the school she teach that in Philadelphia. She shows them a painting. It is the painting of an older man with a long beard with the staff in the air and before him. Water is partying and there are a crowd of people before the water. is the water parts parts. It is very clearly a picture a painting of Moses parting the Red Sea and she noted that it hurt college her college college. She has a large number of young people from well-to-do families Secularist coming to her school and over the years the number number of kids in her art history class who can identify that picture is Moses parting. The Red Sea has been in decline every year. There are fewer and fewer were kids in her class who recognize that Moses parting the Red Sea and she raised this point several years ago. Now in fact I can't even find it online anymore but I remember the conversation sation But she raised the point at the time that It is a we used to speak in a common tongue in this country and in many of the motifs we would. We've with our Tong and many of our comedy dramatic expressions involved a biblical phrasing parting the Red Sea things things like that our cross to bear biting an apple a forbidden fruit all the little idiomatic expressions That were premised on an understanding of the biblical scripture and now increasingly in this country. We have people who don't recognize Biblical language they hear the Biblical language and they're befuddled by it. They're offended by it. People offended by Rick Perry for saying what he said making clear by the way he said what he said about Barack Obama as well that God picture leaders. It's in the Bible and it's amazing even on the right people who they misinterpreted. This people were like man. I can't believe he said that he's saying God. Put Donald Trump in his position. Asian yes actually. Yes but you know what. Here's the irony. If it was Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton her position to. It's the way it it works. It's what the Bible says. And you're supposed to pray for them now. Just as a as an aside here to put this in context Peter Himself the Apostle Peter also also said to pray for your leaders to pray for the emperor this was the emperor who was going to crucify Peter upside-down down who was persecuting Christians. And using them to light the streets literally using their bodies as lampposts to light the streets of role which were notoriously as Lee winding dark and covered in thieves at night he would use. The Christian Bodies Inflames Crucified. Along the way to light the streets of Rome at night this is Paul who himself would be executed having his head severed from his body saying that the governing authorities are there because God wants them there and Christians who have gotten so worldly and have worked themselves into a frenzy over politics need to remember. Br that Barack Obama was as much God's chosen as Donald Trump is and you can view. Donald Trump is God putting him there to protect the the number number Christians. I know who buy into the Cyrus stuff that that he's the. He's the Pagan Persian King. Cyrus restoring the temple. We were never a Christian nation. I I don't mean to to shake you by telling you this but did we have a bunch of Christians forming the nation yes where we explicitly Christian dot exactly not exactly exactly and I know there are people who believe that I don't subscribe to it I have a degree in history and in my specialty was early American history and I don't not the evidence for what some people see but I can tell you God's got a plan and whether this country stays or falls whether it's a permanent or not and it's not nothing is this world God's got a plan and his plan right now is for Donald Trump to be president and Donald Trump loses in twenty twenty. Well that's all part of God's plan to and you've got to pray for your leader one way or the other and what Rick. Perry said isn't wrong. It isn't outrageous. And what is outrageous so many people heard it and got offended by him. Say It people who should have known better. I saw people align. Here's always one of those now. I'm never supporting Rick Perry again. Why Hurry Context Fox News? By the way has been blasting his quote completely wheatley out of context from his entire interview where he says God puts leaders in place he put Donald Trump in place. He put Barack Obama Place. Everybody wants to hear what they want to hear. They don't WanNa hear what was actually said. And they completely forget the context and that is the most maddening part of our world today particularly driven by social media the selective context. I you know what are the criticisms. I've gotten this far of this program. Is that some of the sound bites. I player too long. We try to keep them all under two minutes because the copyright everything else but I never want you to accuse accused me of taking people out of context and so I always try to play the context. The remarks around the primary context that I wanted the primary remarked that I want so that you hear it fully in context objects and less and less do people in the media do that. They want the Gotcha soundbite. They don't want the full context of it and it's increasingly getting people in trouble and frankly it's increasingly making people not trust the news news and I would much rather you guys understand the entire context and point to make you realize. I'm not trying to pull the wool over your eye. And have people say things. They really didn't mean Kuranda aside here you know. I mentioned that God uses leader sometimes for good sometimes not but he puts leers in charge he brings plagues and locus focus in in rivers of blood as well. I totally forgot the things you learn in seminary and you forget that the excess plagues I was listening to a Bible project. PODCAST podcast the other day. On how the exodus plagues mirror creation Which I find very fascinating if if you take the order of the the plagues of Egypt they very much mirror? The seven days of creation For example the first the river turns the blood to one of the first things. God does is he. separates the waters from the dry land. And then you have the the the locus and the flies and the frogs and the frogs coming out of the water and and on and on it goes it just absolutely fascinating the the reverse order of stuff and ultimately you get to darkness covering the land. God taken away light and then you get to to the death of the people mirroring the creation of the people the parallels there are fascinating. So I've been listening to the Bible project has this entire series right now on seven in the Bible and so for example the first sentence of the first the first verse of the Bible is in Hebrew. Seven words And the era. It's just I mean. The parallels are staggering their seven days. There are seven words God gives Tin Commands in Genesis one. He gives Tin Commands in the Ten Commandments. EMMETT's he gives tin commands As he issues the plagues It's just it's it's really the level of Literary Very thought that went into the formation of the first books of the Bible thousands of years ago was amazing. And I'm one of those who subscribe to the camp that Moses wrote it and that it is is God breathed and I'm just staggered to learn stuff that we never even win in depth on a lot of the stuff in the seminary and and how many the pattern of I mean obviously seven is significant because it is the complete number it is the seventh day. God rested is the Sabbath. It's woven into so much stuff But all of it together is just really incredible stuff Makes you appreciate the the rich literary very heritage of Scripture and I guess I need to get on with my Hebrew in in seminary because I I have done it and I've been listening to these Bible scholars to to know Hebrew and I'm just incredibly amazed constantly With all the information they have now I should move onto other things. We do need to get into impeachment whether we want to get into impeachment or not But you know before I get there. The Indonesian sees are turning red speaking of the Nile and turning it to blood blood so yes the the ocean or the sea around Indonesia is turning red and do you know y. It's turning red because of your Tesla. Growing appetite for electric vehicles is creating new demand for nickel whose whose chemical derivatives are increasingly using cathodes of lithium ion batteries. But the push for clean energy is coming at an environmental cost to forests and fisheries in one of the world's most biodiverse regions showman Does not this is a guy who lives in Indonesia. does not know how much more his fishing village can handle in the decades cades meeting iron nickel for steel demand. The CS have turned red. Marine life has left past the horizon and the exhaust of smelters has triggered respiratory problems. James this is you know if you've listened to this program since we started in mid August. I've been saying this was a day of reckoning. It would eventually come that for all of the the talk of green energy and batteries and electric cars. There is a cost elsewhere on the planet for the nickel and the lithium and and the chemicals needed to make the batteries. And and everything else else that comes with the cost of making an electric car and it is completely forgotten by so many people. But it's a real issue. It is a real issue due to the environmental cost the trade offs. You know likewise if everybody were to switch to an electrical margin just as a thought experiment all of us gave up our fossil fuel based cars tomorrow in favor of electric cars. Think about the strain on the power grid. Yes there would have to be new power plants Lance built and guess what they'd probably be nuclear solar and wind wouldn't be able to keep up and yes she would stop burning as many fossil fuels. But would you have an increasing coal for power plants and what about the environmental cost elsewhere. And that's part of the problem. With the environmentalist movement. The environmentalist movement is being so led by a bunch of white people people from the United States in Europe. They totally ignore the costs in third world countries to their environmental eight activities of of harvesting minerals for their batteries and and their wind farms and things like that There actually is a cost to be borne in the Third World and frankly there's a cost to be borne in keeping the third role from having air conditioning and stuff like that as well And not allowing. We didn't kill mosquitoes to cure malaria. But it makes white people sleep well at night in these rich countries. Well I can't get to impeachment because there's breaking news. It's not actually breaking news. It's a story from two years ago. That for some reason is recirculating today. These people progressives God bless them. Here's the headline America's wholesome squared anti. I anti tradition is a tool of white supremacy. What actually wrote the story if you live? Even the United States chances are high that growing up you had to take square dancing gym class. I myself spend a week at my Rochester. New York high school learning to Alabama. Andy left and right skills. I was highly unlikely to ever need again well at the time. Although I thought it was odd I was merely grateful for not having to change into my gym clothes as it turns out. There's an unusual reason. Why so many Americans students spend their formative years learning to dozy doe twenty eight out of fifty states have declared square dancing their official dance? It is part of a coordinated campaign a Dan spiracy if you will to make square dancing. The official all dance of the United States in the hope that doing so quote would give square dancing and it's related activities more visibility and have a positive effect on recruiting new dancers but the institutionalization of square. Dancing isn't just about the joy of dance. It's also about America's Erica's legacy of racism and Anti Semitism and the surprising tools that get used in the effort to up hold all whiteness. y'All I wish I were making this up to understand how square dancing became a state eight mandated means of celebrated Americana necessarily go back to history for the founder four motor vehicles. He hated jazz. He hated the Charleston he really hated Jewish people and believe the Jews at invited jazz as part of a nefarious plot to corrupt the masses. And take over the world. It's actually true. He didn't think that but still Ford hired black workers and paid them the same as white workers but he was also very concerned concerned that they along with this. Other workers would be morally corrupted by the evil influences of jazz jazz would lead them astray propelling them towards liquor tobacco sex said all sorts of other sins Ford and his wife had long had an interest in what he termed old fashioned dancing when he brought bought the Wayside Inn and says Barre Massachusetts in nineteen twenty-three three he hired a man named Benjamin love it to not only teach square dancing to him and his wife but also to guests at the time. The dance forum was already seen as old fashioned in well square even in the country where these kinds of dances at what's been popular jazz and swing were taken over by bringing back square dancing as as well as other primarily Anglo Saxon dances like waltzes. Four believed he'd be able to counteract what he saw as the unwholesome influence of Jazz House on America. Oh my goodness gracious people. He imagined would leave dance halls and cabarets in droves to swing their partners round and round liquor Free Square. Dance clubs if jazz was the cause of America's moral decay the road to repair. It could be simple as replacing it with fiddles square dances now. There really isn't a tone of evidence for this but this person wrote Gosh a scouse and plus words on square dancing. Oh and the ultimate conclusion is this. There's nothing inherently wrong with square dancing but but there is something wrong with declaring it to be more valuable than any other form of dance. I agree the ballet Lord. The things people work themselves up about seriously really speaking of working people up impeachment is working a lot of people. All sorts of people distressed all all sorts of people wondering why CNN's Oh is it. Anna Cabrera talking to what are the Democratic members of Congress wondering have you done enough. Because they've closed down. The public impeachment is going to move to the Judiciary Committee next John. You said during the testimony even a week ago or for so that Democrats. That already had more than they had against. Richard Nixon to impeach him in new said something similar here this evening yet. We keep learning. More like this bombshell Shaw Washington. Post reporting it doesn't feel like the investigation is complete. Is it too soon to vote in hand this over to Senate Republicans. Is it too soon. Devoted it doesn't feel like it's complete does it. It feels like they do something but you know. Among the unusual people criticize this Heidi Heitkamp who is a democrat. She was was the democratic. Senator from South Dakota thing warning sign for Democrats this weekend. It's just one warnings and I want to put it up on the screen and bring this to you. Hide Campus Marquette University poll out of Wisconsin the first time show and this is a flip from the summer and from the early fall showing president trump in that key state of Wisconsin beating every single major democrat. Marquette is the real deal and I think they better start paying attention and it goes back to. How broad is your message? How much are you reaching out? How image making making it about the people who you want to serve and one of the problems that we have is? We're now in impeachment land and there's very little discussion about what's going to change for people in in the real world and impeachment itself is not a discussion about what does this mean for me. It just seems more of Washington dysfunction more of what the rancor that the people absolutely hey as you heard Senator Klobuchar said there that may be but the Democrats have a duty if they see this evidence of what they consider impeachment. The problem that they have is that they failed to make about the people they keep making it about Donald Trump. That people know they've made the judgment that this person is probably not a very moral person not a very competent person but quit making it about trump and start making it about George Jurisdiction. Yup listen this is from vanity fair vanity. Vanity Fair is not exactly sympathetic to the president. they run all sorts of fan fiction about the president of the White House. Data exclusive to Vanity Fair shows. Impeachment could be a losing issue for Democrats hoping to recruit independence in twenty twenty. Lots of people who don't like trump who are still prepared to vote for him said one political science science expert. It was a brief shining moment. For Congressional Democrats as details of trump's Ukrainian phone calls spilled out and has house Democrats Democrats revved the impeachment engine early polls evidence strong support for removing Donald Trump from office. Though much of that support came from Democrats critically it it also came from independence a late October. Gallup poll put independence in favor of removing trump from office at fifty three percent to forty four percent and a morning console. Don't pull an early November revealed that even greater gap forty nine to forty two thirty four in favor of removal that early. Enthusiasm representative. Peniche bonanza hands for the Democrats. All beat surprising win. Independence tend to be more moderate and pay less attention to news breaks and politics and are unlikely group to suddenly surge in support of precipitous. Abyss stepped like impeachment. Independence are also. What are the keys if not the key to the twenty two thousand election? According to Gallup self identified in Venice make forty percent of the elector many of these voters are closet partisans. uh-huh reliably voting for one party or another but enough of them. Call it somewhere. Between Ten and twenty percent are the true persuadable 's or movables whose votes refer grabs a last for the Democrats. The promising numbers of late October and early November rapidly dissipated and polling numbers have reverted to a level more consistent with long-term opinions on President Trump in the latest political morning console poll released on November nineteenth independence oppose impeachment and removal forty six six to thirty nine a number close to the rolling averages. The last few weeks it's notable the poll was fielded after the public impeachment hearings began even even the compelling testimony of witnesses like Marie Ivanovich the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine failed to move the needle public opinion. That doesn't mean in further hearings won't energize greater opposition. But it's a little hard to imagine more effective testimony than that offered by Ivanovich. Some foreign service colleagues to understand the relative lack of enthusiasm among independence for impeachment. I took a close look. This is the writer. Took a close look data from the most recent political morning council tracking poll opole in which the hive. I've had the opportunity that's the Vanity Fair political wing had the opportunity to propose questions focused on independence and their views. Where there's there's a problem? Three important factors driving the views of independence. The first is impeachment distracts from the issues. They care about the second factor is the view among independents. Impeachment reflects the agenda of the political establishment and media and third independence are suffering from scandal fatigue. And over all have you not working for the Democrats the I mean for this to come in Vanity Fair which has been part of resistance fan fictions before president trump got elected is actually eh pretty staggering. Here's a little more from CNN. On Republican voters an important Republican voters remain loyal and some recent polling suggests independence. Perhaps growing more wary wary of impeachment lawmakers home to break right now that allows them to get a local pulse for many house. Democrats that means testing the effectiveness of Republican impeachment attack checkouts. Their partisan impeachment is politically motivated. Cherie Joe Cunningham promise to be different. But he's not instead set of working to secure our border fix healthcare and pass a new trade deal with our neighbors that creates real jobs. He's supported the partisan impeachment investigation. Yes it is fascinating for both sides here. The politics are risky for both sides. Here and the thing is we just don't know where we are today versus where we're going to be come too early nominating contests contest the Democratic presidential race and then come almost a year from now and November and so far Republican outside groups have spent some eight million or more on these impeachment ads. These anti impeachment ads and compare that to Democrats which we spent about three million or so so these vulnerable house. Democrats have expressed concern to leadership. This week ahead the Thanksgiving break saying we don't want to be playing catch up. We're worried about our re-election you know it's an interesting those that ad that you just play an interesting kind of Echo of what the Democrats did two years ago in the mid in the midterms when they were the ones arguing that the president is obsessed with the border and invasion and the caravans coming up. What we you should be talking about is health care and you know the issues that are that sort of really matter to people and so the Republicans in this sense are turning that on its head and saying no no no this time? It's the Democrats who are obsessed when we should be sort of moving on to other issues. It's fair game for the Republicans there. Yeah that is not good for Cunningham. Who is one of the Democrats who said that? He wouldn't be with Nancy Pelosi but he would hold Donald Trump accountable and now they're targeting him and he's like I don't know that I want to go forward with this Here's Chris Wallace talking with Erik Swale. Well former presidential candidate about the polling and public opinion has begun to actually move against you WANNA to put up a poll back in early October people favored impeachment and removing the president by fifty two percent forty six or plus six. Now that's turned to forty eight percent four rebel and fifty percent against or minus two. That's an eight point. Swing against removing the president. The you've been making your best case. Well I saw an ABC News poll last week. That said seventy percent of Americans thought with the president did was wrong because they didn't say impeach and remove a Whoa majority of people in that poll actually did Favor removing the president so he I'm not focused on the polls. I know my colleagues aren't either. This president never trust politician. Who says he's not focused on the Poles that's all they focus on his power his great vast power to ask a foreign government to help him cheat in election? And I don't think we should be looking at the poll set aside what we should do. I think most Americans recognize that is wrong and there have consequences. Yeah when a politician says I'm not looking at the polls I'm looking at what's doing right. No you're trying to reconcile what you WANNA do with the polls and it's not working for you. Jonathan Turley talking about where the Democrats proceed. They do have a problem here. Sure it is. I mean the Democrats have to decide if this if they wanNA real or recreational. A real impeachment means calling people like Giuliani and others to appear and then compelling them do appear you can't create the appeared the shortest period of investigation history for an impeachment and then impeach the president for failing to turn over documents in that a period because he went to the courts if that is obstruction for president to seek judicial review in the conflict with Congress. Then you could have impeached. Every living president particularly Barack Obama who made the same type of extreme interpretations when he refused documents of witnesses and fast and furious. So you know we at some point joint adult supervision has to kick in here and we have to decide. Are we really trying to remove this president. And if so the case has to be and they haven't I haven't they haven't talked to Mick Mulvaney. They have taught John Bolton they haven't talked to any of these people a you know where this is headed. It's headed to the Judiciary Committee which will be tasked with taking the information from the the Intelligence Committee and draft articles of impeachment and remember Nancy Pelosi put all this stuff in intelligence to begin with because she did not like the farce that the judiciary committee he had become. You had Nadler the chairman. And what's idiot code from Memphis. Who made all the smart Aleck remarks? you've got Doug Collins in there who runs circles around all the Democrats easy Itchen for an opportunity to have a public impeachment here in an exposed the Democrats but you got Roger. wicker one of the senators who will be involved in this. He was on. Meet the press with Chuck. Todd this weekend and discussing you can get hit of where the Republicans in the senator view in this and I think the people out there don't think to system this investigation is fair They know that only Democrat witnesses were allowed to would be called none of the witnesses they may request some of them were were indeed called. There were some witnesses of Republicans as a matter of fact. Here's what happened there. There were three witnesses says that Democrats asked for and Republicans ask for those three witnesses. Enough got called none of the witnesses that were exclusively called by the Republicans. Republicans were Were asked and you know you ask the question about the whistle blower. Yeah and and so Chairman Shift has has decided that it wouldn't be beneficial to his case. Now will it might be beneficial. If some of the Republicans were allowed to cross. Examine this person. So I totally totally totally inadequate wicker's right. He hid call out. Chuck Todd on that one because yeah what Chuck was eight is that you had bipartisan witnesses. No Roger Wicker's pointing out. The Republicans had three witnesses. They wanted to call. The Democrats did not want The Republicans Ed Three people. They wanted to call who the Democrats also wanted to hear from so they got called the ones that just the Republicans wanted to hear from did not get called by the committee. The committee called the ones the Democrats I wanted to hear from the Republicans didn't WanNa hear from but they didn't call just the Republican witnesses. That is a problem when you're saying you want to conduct a fair inquiry and and when this goes to the judiciary committee it doesn't appear that this is going to change which again allows the Republicans to say this as a partisan process to Jonathan Turley. Point is it going to be real recreational. Is it going to be real impeachment. If so you gotta give due process rights. You got to hear from both sides. And you've got to have people like Mulvaney. John Bolton testify. You can't just have the the people who scratched the Democrats ears testified. And that's what they've done and all the calls all the house of impeachment come from people who just heard one side and not the other the phone number here eight eight seven seven nine seven three seven four two five eight seven seven nine seven Eric. All booed aeges continuing to have problems. I I want to play this. This this is from meet the press yesterday highlighting progressive problems with Buddha judge the issue of African American support for people that are judge which seemed to be theme of the debate and accept. It seemed as if all the candidates didn't know how to talk about it other than footage which here's Buddha. Jamila Harris back to back here on this issue of Buddha images arguably inability so far to African American voters do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against. Because of the color of my skin I do have the experience of sometimes feeling like like a stranger in my own country. So we're GONNA now say that my pain is worse than your pain. These are all injustices but to start comparing one groups painted to the other is misguided. Michael Eric Dyson. What was interesting about commonly heard criticism? There post-debate actually had an opportunity to say that right directly back booted and cheap backed off. She actually when he gave his answer and there was more to it and and I think at some point even throughout the caveat going I know I'm not gonNA compare struggles but uh-huh and she decided not to do it but she did it off camera. What is what does that tell Ya? Well first of all. She's reinforcing point that many people have made you can't engage in an oppression Russian derby the Jews is the black the Italians the game. We always do whatever derby or somebody always feels a if you ain't in Kentucky it's bad so what's interesting. It is that she also had to deal with the the the gauntlet they've been thrown down. Is that black people are more gay. I mean more homophobic right. So now you're thinking if I come at him then it reinforces the perception of black people being Mojo more homophobic. And I think it's it's unfortunate. You know it's Hilarious me. They can't talk about the issue. They have a real issue. All of this goes back. You probably don't need reminding but it's worth for people who are new. All of this goes back to a focus. Focus Group that Buddha just campaign itself did in South Carolina to figure out why he can't gain traction among black voters in the overwhelming issue for black voters in South Carolina. Is He's gay and married. What was so interesting about the research? Is that these black voters in South Carolina. It was interestingly enough. It was the oldest woman of the room who said she would consider voting for him. No the rest of me including the Belania lls wouldn't vote for him and it had nothing to do with him per se being. This is the fascinating. I could've told them that they didn't need a focus group. It had nothing to do with him being gay and everything to do with it being in your face by the media media Having to see him on the campaign trail with with with his spouse and the like The black voters in South Carolina wanted nothing to do with that and I could have told them that which the case if Buddha just was just a gay guy running for president it wouldn't be a big deal to black voters but it is that it has to be celebrated as a milestone L. Stole Marker when he is so to them so white I mean he is the whitest dude running for president that bothers them tremendously that that essentially to a lot of black voters Buddha judge if he were black in a would not be in the position he's in the media would not be praising him the media would not be glorifying refine his marriage the media would not be boosting him and there's a lot of resentment within the black community that a mayor from South Bend Indiana with a fraught brought history of race relations in his own city can get that much positive media attention for both being gay and married an NBA millennial white dude running for office and there's a level of resentment there that I think is understandable in the Buddha Jewish campaign. Can't get around that and I guess they've decided to shame black voters into feeling guilty about it and that's not gonNa work either for him and that's why I don't think he's going to be the Democratic nominee. He can't overcome this issue. At least poll suggests is going to be too tough and not enough time for him to overcome the issue.

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A Look at the Legal Machinery Behind Mass Tort Lawsuits

WSJ What's News

12:57 min | 9 months ago

A Look at the Legal Machinery Behind Mass Tort Lawsuits

"The Wall Street Journal listeners. Come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business urine eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working working for with. HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design don ADP DOT com. It's a busy day for mergers and acquisitions will have more on those. Plus we'll take a closer look at the legal machinery behind mass tort lawsuits Mike. Those facing mayor. It's a big push and pull between the two sides of whether you know whether this is an ecosystem that helps helps hold companies accountable or whether as the company say it puts undue pressure on them and Uber loses its license to operate in London. One of its biggest markets. It's Monday November twenty fifth. This is the PM edition of what's News From The Wall Street Journal. I'm Anne Murray tolley and New York. President trump is responding to last night's firing of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer saying he was quote sticking up for armed forces. Spencer's forced resignation Centers around a controversial case involving navy. Seal Edward Gallagher who has been cleared of serious war crimes charges in Iraq in two thousand seventeen but convicted of a lesser. Our offense president trump had intervened in the case Ordering Gallagher's rank and pay to be restored but navy officials had planned additional administrative proceedings that could resulted in gallagher losing his trident pin the symbol of the elite Commando Force Defense Secretary Espera demanded Spencer's resignation after learning that he had approached the White House hoping to resolve tensions between the president and the Pentagon but administration officials say. That wasn't the only reason. President Trump wanted spencer removed. The Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee says there had been disputes over navy management. Federal officials have issued several subpoenas to people with ties to president. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and his associates. People familiar with the matter. Say That indicates there's a broad federal investigation into possible money laundering obstruction of justice and campaign pain finance violations. The investigation has already led to campaign. Finance charges against Giuliani associates. Love Parks Eager Fruman. Giuliani says he hasn't been contacted by prosecutors and has denied wrongdoing. There's been a lot of merger and Acquisition News in the past twenty four hours as we reported in the. Am addition what's News European conglomerate. LVMH is taking over jeweler tiffany and company in a deal worth more than sixteen billion dollars. Also today Ebay. I said it has agreed to sell. Its ticketing business stub hub to Swiss ticket reseller via go entertainment for more than four billion dollars in cash ebay bought stubhub in two thousand seven for three hundred ten million dollars but decided to sell it after two activist. Investors urged ebay exit businesses unrelated to its core. Marketplace via Gogo is an online marketplace for the resale of live sports music and entertainment tickets and a significant competitor internationally and capping capping off. Our emanate news for today. Charles Schwab has agreed to by its smaller rival. Td Ameritrade in a stock swap transaction valued at about twenty six billion dollars Wall Street responded favorably to the boosting shares of both companies and trading on Monday Wall Street Street Journal listeners. Come from all walks of life and business and no matter what type of business you're in eighty P is here to help you achieve what you're working for with. HR talent time benefits and payroll informed by data and designed for people learn more at design don ADP DOT COM speaking of mergers and acquisitions the pharmaceutical and chemical company Bayer has been in crisis mode since it took over the agro chemical company Monsanto in two thousand eighteen and its popular weed killer. Roundup bear is now facing forty two thousand lawsuits connected to round up from plaintiffs who say it causes cancer behind. That litigation is a massive legal machine that in addition to lawyers includes marketing firms to find potential plaintiffs and doctors doctors who review medical records. Our Sarah Randazzo took a look at how it all works and the arguments for and against it. She joins me now. Sarah you looked into the legal machinery behind massive litigation like the lawsuits. Bayer is now facing some forty two thousand over its weed killer roundup. What did you find out about the inner workings behind and all of this litigation? Yes what we discovered. Is that long before a plaintiff signs up with the plaintiffs lawyer. There are many steps that can take place along the away and there's basically an entire industry of marketers and lead generators and funders that help connect everyday people who want to sue over a product that they think is dangerous with the lawyers and it's a huge business. That often goes on scene because we just see the lawyers who are in court bringing things to trial but before you get to those trial lawyers is there could be three or four steps that someone has walked through so I'm thinking of those ads we often see on. TV that flag potentially harmful products or procedures. And then ask ask people if they've potentially been impacted to call a number on the screen. Take us through. What happens after that moment after someone is moved to call that number number exactly? Yeah so those advertisements are really still the underpinning of a lot of this even as more things go digital TV ads we learned. Continue to be a major major source of of the lead generation these cases and so someone calls that number and it could go few different ways. Sometimes a law firm owns its own call center and so you call the phone number for and you get straight to a law firm but more often you'll get to a call center sometimes abroad sometimes in the US that is owned by Third Party marketing firm that then works with law firm from so. Then you'll call that number you'll give them some information they'll pass on your name and information to a law firm who might call you back and it kind of bounced around several different places but eventually usually you'll get signed with a law firm if you have a viable claim but when you call that phone number you could be going really anywhere in the country and being sent to any manner of large marketing marketing companies. First so you explained in your piece for the Wall Street Journal that this is how a lot of litigation filed over allegedly dangerous products works. I'm curious various of the arguments for and against this type of legal machinery on the one hand signing up thousands of cases against the same target can be more effective because their strength in numbers. I especially when fighting large corporations but on the other hand. There's this commodification as you've just explained essentially of plaintiff's exactly. Yeah so there's definitely very strong arguments on both sides. We tried to lay them all out in the story where from the plaintiffs and legal marketers side. They make the point that an individual person who thinks thinks they're harmed by a product them going up against the company themself obviously isn't going to be very effective and so you really need hundreds or thousands of plaintiffs to build pressure and accompanies. He's attention through these lawsuits so they say that they're doing big service to help. People find out that a product could be dangerous in that if they used it they could have a legal claim and to sign them up and helped build into these big cases the companies of course see it differently and they see this as a bit of a shakedown. And they say you know the more and more cases build up even if the claims aren't good we feel pressure to settle and they say there's no way to win these cases even if the laws on our side and so it's a big push and pull between the two sides of whether you know whether this is a ecosystem that helps hold companies accountable or whether as the company say it puts undue pressure on them so that brings us to where roundup specifically and Bayer are right. Now you go back in your piece about three years. One plaintiff lawyers gave a presentation at a conference about this being potentially new target for them. Explain what's happened since then. Yes it's been really interesting to watch round up. There are a lot of products these days that are being sued over but none has been more popular than round up. We found some data providers who have the numbers on the number of legal advertisements that have been running around up far outstrips every other product in terms of his TV ads in terms of the sheer number of lawsuits that have been filed it also so far outstrips all the other ones and it's definitely just caught the attention of the legal marketers and implanted lawyers and so many people are used roundup both in their home homer in the workplace that there's a very large batch of people that that potentially are affected by this litigation and we talked at the beginning of this interview about the massive amount of litigation that Bayer here is facing how has this impacted the company so far. And what should we expect going forward. Yes so there have been three cases that have gone to trial. So far each has ended in massive verdicts that juries have awarded. Bayer is now appealing all of those. But in the meantime they're shares have dropped twenty seven percents and stuff first verdict in August two thousand eighteen. So it's been a big financial hit for them but bear continues to say that roundup is safe and the agencies like the EPA have deemed it. Safe they're going to fight these lawsuits For some time it seems James. That's Wall Street. Journal reporter Sara Randazzo. Sarah thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having Uber has lost. Its licensed to operate in London. After regulators discovered that unauthorized drivers were exploiting a loophole to pick up customers. The ruling is opening up new questions. About how the ride hailing APP polices the behavior of those using its platform. Our Kim Gittleson spoke with reporter Parmi Olson in London for more details else. Super Me Talk to me a little bit about this ruling by London's Transport Authority. It's a surprise right. It is a surprise. I think a lot of people I had expected that Uber would get its license. Renewed by the transport regulator here. The latest had been that when they were meant to get their license license renewed about two months ago the regulator said actually instead of giving you something like a one year two year license. We'll give you a two month license so that kind of took everybody by surprise a little bit like why such a short leash now. Today we have an answer. which is that? They needed those two months to find out a little bit more about this spoofing issue which which has been apparently quite widespread among uber drivers here in London. So what is this spoofing issue. Great question this moving issue comes from a loophole loophole in the APP. That drivers use when they're working for Uber here in London and it means that if a user has booked one driver to pick them up the the necessity driver could actually pick them up instead using their own photo on that first drivers account so they're basically spoofing that account with their own photo. Oto Now Uber has said that they have special systems in place to stop this from happening. And they're using face matching technology and they're developing hoping technology that asks drivers to smile at the camera and turn their heads to really make sure that it's them and according to the transport regulator here. That loophole loophole has now been fixed. It was fixed October. However that was not enough for the regulator their overall confidence in Uber has is just not where it needs to be in order for them to give them the license and that's why they said that they're not gonNA granted licensed to Uber? So what does this mean for people in London. Does that mean that they can't take Uber's anymore more. Actually Uber can continue operating here. They are allowed within twenty one days of today to launch an appeal which they've said they will do and and they have eight months in which to go through that process of launching the appeal before they are completely banned. Now it's worth bearing in mind. This all all happened before in two thousand seventeen the regulator also had problems with Uber's behavior. They revoked the license and Uber appealed and then they got got the license because they won that appeal. We don't know what's going to happen this time. But we can say. Is that the reasons that the regulator is complaining now is is about Uber's ability to police it's own platform. This is very different 2017. When the problem was Uber's own behavior so in a lot of ways what Uber's was experiencing is very similar to other big tech companies are experiencing which is being able to police the behavior of others on their own platform? That I asked Uber themselves offs today. If this Drivers spoofing issue was something that was happening in other cities and they didn't comment so we don't know it's something that will be looking into more and it's almost certainly something that other regulators will look into as well Lance reporter Parmi also speaking with Kim Gittleson in London. And that's what's news for this Monday afternoon. I'm Anne Marie for Toluene for the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.

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Following: Navy Secretary Out, Michael Bloomberg, Wild Turkey

Skimm This

12:26 min | 9 months ago

Following: Navy Secretary Out, Michael Bloomberg, Wild Turkey

"It's Monday November twenty fifth. Welcome to skim. This where breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter the. US Secretary of the Navy has been fired in part over drama involving the president of the United States repeatedly intervening on behalf of navy seal accused of war crimes then then yet. Another Democrat has officially entered the race for twenty twenty but he comes with some baggage billions of dollars worth of baggage and finally a word of warning for your friendly neighborhood mail carrier. We're here to make your evening smarter. Let's skim this. The most complicated story today is about a shakeup in the US military on Sunday the head of the navy was fired. We're still learning what exactly went down but it appears this was connected to a recent decision decision by president trump to clear. US troops accused of war crimes including a navy seal. That decision by the president didn't go over well at the navy and now the head of the navy is out so today. We're going to get into the back story here. What exactly led to the secretary of the navy being fired and what to expect next? Let's start with a little. Who's who on Sunday? The Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer was fired by his boss. Defense Secretary Mark Esper- both are civilian officials though both have military background both were also picked by president trump and confirmed for their jobs by the US Senate. The drama began earlier this month. When president trump part two soldiers accused or convicted of war crimes in Afghanistan and restored the rank of a navy? Seal for a separate incident in Iraq the pardons earnings were pretty controversial including among military officials. But the story of the navy seal is what's poppin today. His name is Edward Gallagher. Here's the back story on him. While serving as a navy seal he was tried for the murder of an Islamic state prisoner. Military prosecutors accused him of stabbing that prisoner in the neck and separately of shooting an unarmed schoolgirl and an elderly man and then trying to cover up what he done. Members of his own seal team testified against him but gallagher's his legal team accused those witnesses of being liars with a grudge ultimately the murder and attempted murder. Charges were dismissed by military jury but he was found guilty of one anything unlawfully posing for picture with a human casualty and for that he was demoted and had his pay reduced until the president intervened an ordered that the navy restore his rank and pay. How did that go over inside? The military reportedly not so well after trump restored gallagher's rank and pay officials shows in the navy were reportedly frustrated that they had been overruled and so not long after they signalled. They'd begin an internal review to see gallagher with still fit to serve as a navy seal which they determined he wasn't would have meant gallagher would lose his trident not like the one little mermaid but kind of the trident is a pin worn by navy seals they get after completing a rigorous training program. It depicts an eagle sitting on a trident and holding a pistol it symbolizes the environments were Navy Seals Operate Sea air and Land The New York Times reports. That having your tried and take away is like being excommunicated from a church as in basically banished and it looked like gallagher might have gotten that punishment until once again the president got involved and tweeted that quote. The navy will not be taking away. Warfighter Navy Seal Eddie. Gallagher's tried and pin. He went on to say this case was handled berry badly from the beginning. Get back to business. This led a bunch of Berry. High ranking officials in the military to ask trump to back-off including defense secretary Esperer who asked trump to let the internal review the process play out but unbeknownst Esperer. Someone else was pleading. The case with the President to the Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Spencer reportedly tried tried to broker a side deal with the president. In which the Navy would go ahead with reviewing weather gallagher was fit to remain a seal but ultimately let them keep the Trident and retire with his rank. If that sounds off to you it kind of is Spencer was basically determining the verdict of the review before the review even happened and when Ezra word heard that Spencer was trying to do this he fired him reportedly for going around his back and negotiating directly with the president. At least that's what officials in the Defense Department say. Trump trump says Spencer's out because of how gallagher was treated and that he wasn't doing that great of a job anyway but Spencer himself in a letter to the president said he didn't agree with the president's Vince positions on quote good order and discipline and that the president deserved a Navy secretary. Who did so what happens now? According to reports the Navy's review board is no longer looking into gallagher. So for now he can retire at his current restored rank and s today that the President ordered him to let Gallagher keep his pin. Two in trump makes moves to help gallagher behind the scenes. Gallagher is repaying the favor in public over the last few days. He's gone on Fox News to think. Think trump for his support and denigrated another current military leader but admiral of the Navy Seals for pushing for the Review Board to look into him. I'm overjoyed that he stepped in again. It's been being a leader that he is But at the same at the same token i. It's just a feeling of embarrassment for my community that Admiral Green is letting the ego get the best of him at this point And he's trying to take my try because it's all about retaliation so what's a scam to be clear. The navy has taken taking away. tridents before and presidents have pardoned servicemembers. Before so those parts of the story are not unprecedented but some argued that this latest story is one more piece of evidence that the military's traditional political independence is under threat trump has previously been criticized for signing Maga- hats at military bases insulting political opponents in front of troops and repeatedly saying my generals and my military instead of our general's or the US military the military is supposed to be a political. It doesn't answer to one party or the other. It serves the country and some observers warned that pardoning criminals and rewarding those who take their gripes to cable. TV instead of using the chain of command. The president is further eroding the good order discipline and accountability the US military stands for Oh Willy or won't he turns out he will yesterday. Billionaire Michael Bloomberg officially threw his hat into the twenty twenty race bringing the count of people running for president to Eighteen Democrats and three Republicans. Jobs Creator leader problem-solver. It's going to take all three to build back country. We talked about Bloomberg on the show a couple of weeks ago. He's a seventy seven year old former New York City mayor with a casual net worth of fifty four billion dollars which according into Forbes makes them the ninth richest person in the world. After growing up middle-class he worked his way through college and began a long career on Wall Street where he revolutionized financial mansell news data with his media company Bloomberg L P from what we know about his campaign so far. It's definitely not traditional Bloomberg Bloomberg skipping out on the early primaries putting his focus on Super Tuesday. which isn't until March and he's already blown other candidates out of the water in AD spending this week alone he's booked over thirty one million dollars worth of television ads? That's reportedly the most. Any presidential candidate has ever spent on broadcast ads in a single week. So expect to hear his name. Come up a couple times if you're tuned into TV over Thanksgiving break. But having deep pockets can also mean a lot of conflicts Bloomberg's business holdings reach far and wide with over nineteen thousand employees in sixty nine countries experts. Say That can pose a lot of issues if he becomes president and is put in in charge of public policies that could then impact those businesses in his personal finances. They say it would be in Bloomberg's best interest to divest from his businesses and step away to be clear. This isn't a new problem. Many wealthy incoming presidents in recent years have either sold their high value business assets or put them in a blind trust to avoid any conflict of interest from Jimmy. Carter to Ronald Reagan. Both Bush presidents and Bill Clinton every president except for president trump. Because importantly EH divesting isn't required by law is more so seen as a demonstration that the president is putting the country's interests ahead of his or her own personal interests so what Bloomberg plans to do with his assets will be closely watched but early indications show that he doesn't have a problem with stepping away. It's actually already something. He's done before when he was the mayor of New York City for over a decade. But in the meantime he may take some heat for not stepping away now from his media company Anthony Bloomberg News so far Bloomberg says. I've got this covered after. He announced his candidacy the editor in chief of Bloomberg News moving forward. It won't investigate Bloomberg or any of his Democratic rivals and that Bloomberg opinion won't run any unsigned editorials. Basically their way of saying no ethics concerns here though. Some journalists including former Bloomberg employees are saying that still problematic especially since Bloomberg news still plans to continue investigations into president trump in any case the racists still on and it's getting crowded here with tons of stories to keep an eye on. This is one you may be seeing a lot about in the weeks to come. Though maybe not on Bloomberg News you probably ran in the daily Skim this morning that yesterday. A ton of people in Hong Kong said Hashtag no excuses and showed up to the ballot box. It wasn't a big election local district councillor seats were up for grabs. It's those positions have very little political power. They mostly deal with local issues like transportation and sanitation but it was still a huge win for pro democracy protesters they've been making headlines in Hong Kong for the last six months and the pro democracy candidates one big. They went from holding only a quarter of the seats to nearly ninety percent of Obam and council members friendly with the Communist Party in Beijing. Now only hold a handful aside from the win for Pro Democracy candidates this election was also kind of a win. For Democracy period. A record number of people turned out to vote seven out of ten eligible voters which is huge when you compare it to voter turn out in other democracies he's around the world like in the US. During the last presidential election eligible voter turnout was only fifty five percent for more on the fight between Hong Kong and China ahead on over to the Skim Dot com slash guides. So before we go today. We've got a fun. Fact coming to you. From Waukesha County Wisconsin. Where for weeks? A wild Turkey has been stalking a local mailman. As Jeff Burn drives from house to house mailbox to mailbox. The Turkey has gotten very attached. I I'll be honest. The beginning was get away from the truck but now I'm not even speaking Rome. There were a few scares toward the beginning kind of jumped up and flapped his green the others or whatever it is got real close to my face but now in true holiday spirit. This might just be the beginning of a beautiful friendship. It's Thanksgiving giving can't say too close to his holiday and that's all for stem this. Thanks again for listening and be sure to hit. Hit subscribe and rate and review US online. If you want to add the skin to your morning routine sign up for a free newsletter the daily Skim right on our website at the skin dot com. It's everything you need to know to start your day right in your inbox.

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Monday, November 25, 2019

Westwood One Daily News Flash Briefing

09:01 min | 9 months ago

Monday, November 25, 2019

"From Washington DC. This is Westwood. One Daily News for November Twenty Fifth Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout Navy secretary criteria. Richard Spencer has been asked to resign. Evan haning reports that there's three different reasons being given for Spencer's ouster defense. Secretary Mar Dr Gaspar says. He asked Spencer to leave because Spencer bypass chain of command and talked with the White House to quietly resolve navy. Seal Eddie Gallagher's demotion. President President trump is tweeting that large cost overruns contributed to Spencer's firing Senate Minority Leader. Chuck Schumer's reaction. I will greatly regret that. He has stepped up down. I believe he did the right thing. He should be proud. Good Order Morale and discipline in the armed services have to transcend politics. Politics and Spencer stood for that. President trump is tweeting that he wants. Ken Braithwaite the US Ambassador to Norway to take over as Navy secretary. Evan haning Washington Shington members of the House. Intelligence Committee will spend this Thanksgiving week digesting the impeachment hearings. And they're making plans to come back to the table for more correspondent. Linda Kenyon has the latest the impeachment hearings help or hurt the case for impeachment. I don't think any Democrat in the congress looked at what happened over the last two weeks since said Gosh there's nothing there but the sentiments expressed by Democrat Jim himes on CBS his face. The Nation were not echoed by Republicans like Senator Roger Wicker who was interviewed on NBC. He sees meet the press. I think the Democrats had a bad week. Good Week or bad week. Will the Democrats press for articles of impeachment chairman. Adam Schiff tells CNN state eight of the Union. It's not up to him. I certainly think that the evidence has been produced. Overwhelmingly shows serious misconduct by the president. But I do want to hear hear more from my constituents want hear more from my colleagues. This is not a decision I will be making alone. Shift does say he believes the facts seem to line up in one direction. The facts Sir really not contested. It's really not contested. What the president did what is open to? Question is whether members of Congress are going to do their duty shift means whether Congress will weigh the facts Nassir report artisan lens but by carefully weighing the evidence and making a clear headed decision. The ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee. Speaking on Fox News lashed out at the entire process process. The poll Russia was a hope and the Ukraine thing is a hope and the Democrats are eight. Joe Adam Schiff on. CNN doesn't find this funny. I certainly think think that he's committed The most grievous misconduct. I have no illusions about Donald Trump. Doing what's right for the country or what's best for the country. That's never been where he's coming. I'm from Republican senator. John Kennedy on Fox News Sunday says here's where he thinks things are going to go. I think there will be a trial and I'm in favor of doing it. And accordance accordance with due process and what everybody offer whatever they want to in terms of evidence and Kennedy says a trial would be good for the president. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. If you're not allowed to call your own witness and if the House impeaches on the Senate holds a trial chairman shift says some of the trump administration officials who refuse to testify might find themselves with no choice. Well I think there's certainly merit to the idea that we may get a quicker ruling from chief justice in a Senate trial forever came to that then we would get by going months and months on end litigated matter. The White House Chief of Staff Secretary of State and former national security adviser have all refused just to testify at a shift. Points Out Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts who would preside over a Senate trial can compel them to appear. Linda Kenyon Washington tap also developing on the story in Washington and associate of Rudy. Giuliani is willing to testify that Republican Devon Nunez Congressman investigating investigating the matter on Ukraine. May himself have had some close ties to the issues. Being investigated former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has formerly launched. His campaign for the Democratic Party's nomination for president. Washington correspondent Christopher cruise reports Bloomberg has promised to spend at least one hundred fifty million dollars of his fifty billion dollar fortune on the campaign including more than one hundred million on Internet ads. Attacking president trump might bloom for president champs Creator leader problem-solver. It's going to take all three to build back a country. He did not say how much he'd be willing to spend overall on his campaign but he's senior campaign adviser says it would be quote whatever it takes to defeat. Donald Trump Bloomberg will not accept donations to his campaign or take a salary should he become president. Christopher crews Washington and historic election turned into a massive landslide win for democracy in Hong Kong and a rebuke of Chinese leadership. Jeff Mackay reports the victory for pro democracy leaders was far bigger than they could have imagined the pro democracy opposition has swept. It's a victory in Hong Kong's elections a record turnout delta clear rebuke to city leader. Carrie Lam and her handling a violent protests that have divided the Chinese territory votes votes. Were still being counted Monday morning. But Hong Kong media tallied that the pro democracy camp had easily won a majority in the vote for four hundred fifty two district council seats beats pro democracy activist. Joshua Wong says words cannot describe what this victory means. Is that remarkable achievement and of all of the Hong Kong that AH price and sacrifices for the movement. I never imagined it will happen. But now we are the majority in the district council to show our costs on freedom and democracy at many polling stations the lines for people to vote stretch down several streets. Wong says the six month battle pro-democracy forces in Hong Kong citizens endured was worth and we have more than five thousand people arrested more than ten thousand canister of tear. Gas Rubber Bullets were fire how people orderly and Peace Foti Eh lineup. Outside the voting station early in the morning just because they hope to get the votes which represented we discussed democracy. The Pro Democracy Camp will take control of nearly all of Hong Kong District Councils. Thanks to a record turnout of seventy one percent as for what the Chinese government thinks of this surprising election results Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Ye told reporters quote no matter. What kind of things happen in Hong Kong Hong Kong is still part of Chinese territory? Jeff Mackay Washington. Washington crews are making final preparations on twenty-six floats and sixteen giant helium balloons for Thursday's macy's Thanksgiving Day parade Steve Kastenbaum reports. It's the ninety third time. The parade has taken place inside. Giant warehouse in Moon. Knocking New Jersey designers were putting the finishing touches on some of the twenty-six floats will appear in the parade on Thursday. Five of them are new this year. Rick Palmer is creative. Director of macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. He described one of the new ones that short be hit with the kids. Leno is celebrating with a brand new float. This year. we call this the brick changer. And this is really. It's Turkey Part Dragon. It's really could only come from a child's imagination truly macy senior studio director. John Piper showed us a new float designed signed in conjunction with the luxury brand coach inside the first float is rexy the T.. Rex covered in glitter holding the giants coach. which is also covered in glitter and yes? Most of my team for the last three months have gone home. Covered in glitter. Susan Tercero is executive director of the pre back in nineteen twenty four. This parade actually began By macy's employees the employees were largely immigrants from Europe and they really wanted to celebrate the holidays in their traditional style with a holiday parade. So macy's said sure let's do it. Let's gather everybody up in that. First Parade actually saw saw about two hundred thousand spectators in New York City now. The route from the Museum of Natural History to Herald Square is lined by over three million spectators and tens of millions of people watch the parade on TV over ten thousand people participate in the parade from clowns to balloon handlers to the eleven marching bands. Five Live new giant. Helium balloon characters will debut on Thursday they include a new version of spongebob characters from the book. Green eggs and ham and a new snoopy ups and NASA astronaut diversification of snippy was actually an astronaut snoopy as well. So that's what's really exciting about this. He I viewed in the In a white suit this this particular suit that he's wearing is an orange shoot this newbies commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of the moon landing. Tom Turkey will lead the parade and as always Santa Claus brings up the career. Steve Kastenbaum New Nakae New Jersey. Westwood One Daily News November Twenty Fifth Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout.

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ZBT #220: The Navy Secretary Is A Fried Turkey

Zero Blog Thirty

58:45 min | 9 months ago

ZBT #220: The Navy Secretary Is A Fried Turkey

"On today's episode of Zero Block thirty we have five rounds in the magazine round number. One things are getting crazy with our beloved navy. The secretary of the navy was fired after going around. The Secretary of Defense ordered a drug deal with the president regarding navy. Seal Eddie Gallagher. It sounds like a shitty. That honestly sounds like are really Shitty Net flicks movie. But it's it's legitimately real life in something that we have to talk about round number two an army lieutenant. Colonel is taking charge of troops in a combat zone. Like nobody has ever seen before. When you hear this story folks your head will be spinning round number? Three the fucking Russians are back to their old tricks. They're stealing the Ukrainians toilets from their ships. Why would you steal a toilet? That's just a dirty dirty move round number. Four Marine encor Sergeant Brandon Vanda Linda who has been diagnosed with cancer which the Patriots game on Sunday where he was honored with Super Bowl tickets and then he dropped a pass from Tom. Brady like a fucking can boot. We bring him on the show disgust if he followed it or not and round number five. It's our Thanksgiving episode. So we would be remissed if we didn't gather around the Internet thanksgiving table Google and tell you some of the things that we're thankful for. No one better touch the fucking deviled eggs before we finished giving thanks either because deviled eggs is the most thanksgiving giving of all dishes. We all agree on that right. What's I bring the devil to my Thanksgiving taste? I worship Jesus. Grace site No I love deviled eggs but I wouldn't count them as our Thanksgiving staple us you know. Take up room with Di have I have a confession to make. We are having chilly tonight. Venison Chili tonight. 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You could find news. This story is the top story in the country right now. Well it's very like gossip spill that T- there's like so many layers to it that I get why people are into it and you're right it does read like a weird lifetime movie or something like all the drama from it traps said Netflix. My mind immediately. We went to a story line on one of the real housewives series could be like but either way yes it seems very interesting and it is annoying at this point though I think it kind of especially because any gallagher's to me sounds like hey I'm going on Eddie Gallagher's to get those garlic Parmesan wings. Man It's always GonNa say Eddie Gallagher's is like a go uh-huh cart-racing place. It is in my mind is a wings and go Kart spot any gallagher's nice little spot to go and the thing about this story areas because when we talk about the president states. The president of the United States is inherently political. They're going to be involved in some drama. They're going to be going at like the speaker of the House. If it's on the opposite party or they're going to be going at somebody running to take their spot of the next person you're used to the president being involved in some type of drama you are not used to seeing that from the SECDEF and the secretary of the navy as being involved in the news for drama is not something. That's normal now can you. I like this one of those things that I've been trying to follow and I I just politics if you gave me a quiz right now you'd be like ashamed. Can Somebody break this down for me. Barney style like what who's mad at WHO and why and what is happening now. We can't do that but our good friends. Stars and Stripes types can so what they say is Defense Secretary Mark expert on Sunday fired. The navy's top official who is secretary of the Navy who is the civilian. That's in charge charge of both the Navy and the Marine Corps and that ended a clash between President Donald Trump and top military leaders over the fate of the navy seal who was accused and acquitted of war crimes. Arrives in Iraq. Esperer said that he had lost confidence and Navy Secretary Richard Spencer who is not the Nazi expensive difference. Okay big note and alleged that Spencer proposed a deal with the White House behind his back to resolve the case. That's huge to me. Like ah there's so many things in this story that just kind of get glossed over the navy's so the how the chain of command works. Is that each one of the department secretaries like this this department of the Navy Department of the Airport Department of the army they all report to the Department of Defense. Who is the secretary of Department of fits so because your report there that's where your command goes? If the secretary of the Navy wanted propose something to president trump in all military bearing and all changes of command. He should go through the secdef to get that approval from the president. He doesn't do that. He intentionally goes behind Eh Spurs back back to get to the president. which is the first salacious thing that happened here? Who Trump is champion? The matter of Navy Chief Petty Officer Ever Gallagher who was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of Islamic state militant captive and convicted of posing with the corpse in Iraq. And that was the only thing that he was actually actually convicted of was was posing with the corpse in Iraq. Spencer's firing was a dramatic. Turn in the fast-changing politically charged controversy. It exposed visuals visuals. Excellent use the fish their time especially maybe even anal fissures. We don't know what kind of if you please clarify at all. So what ended up happening as gallagher. I'm going to go off script. So gallagher was busted down around because he posed with a corpse in Iraq he was busted down from chief to e six during the round of pardons that trump had about a week and a half ago. At this point he re promoted to gallagher from First Class Petty Officer back to Chief Back to e seven and said that the navy needs to be done with it. Well Esper- not asper Richard Spencer. Who was the secretary of the navy? Said I don't view the tweet as an order like a tweet is not an order. I I need to have it in writing cons. Let's go to you first if I tell you something verbally. Is that an order. If I'm the senior person in your the junior person I tell oh you verbally is that an order billion percent yes a billion times you you said it and it's not one of these things where I would say like. Oh I misunderstood a misunderstood or didn't get in writing you tell me something on my face. That's an order like 'cause you just think. Oh I'm sorry everytime let's say we're in combat and you say cons go take that help you better email me. I let me know that you want me to take that hill or otherwise. I can't take that hill so this is ridiculous so but wait the tweet though. There's no guarantee that Spencer would ever see it. There's no whatever so I don't count a tweet as an order at all. Oh I do I think I think that's I mean I think the when the president of the United Estate is saying and he has said many times news and the Supreme Court has upheld it that whenever the president tweets from his personal account. It's like a press release whenever he does does it so whether or not we want to admit it. The the law has said that this is an order. So if he says it and he's giving out essentially a presidential proclamation because he could ride it out as it's a presidential memo and put it out and there's no guarantee that he would see it either so I don't think that that's a good reason for for cause but we've seen this before and the Department of Defense recently with things like the transgender band. Whenever President Trump tweeted out that he wanted that to go away like you wanted to bring about a transgender under Gen Mattis whenever he was secdef said that tweet is not an order like so you had that both sides which is insane to me like? He's the commander in chief he's saying. This is an order when they when they say it's not an order. You say okay boomer. Yeah I don't think it tweets in order but anyway so yeah and so trump tweeted like don't you can't take trident away. You can't remove him from the Navy Seals and that's what this whole scuffle was about. So now where are we at now. So now how because he went around to Spencer went around Esperer to get the trump to try to get him out of with is tried it. S per found out that Richard Spencer went went behind his back and he said you better get fired on the spot because he went behind his back super clear about Esper- learned that Spencer had privately proposed to the White House that gallagher be allowed to retire. His current rank without losing his status as a seal as per said Spencer had not told him of the proposal to to the White House causing him to lose trust and confidence. So that's what it was so wait. So even though Spencer was like no trump tweets non order. He's still like went behind. Esperance back to be like but yeah that's cool right. I don't yeah I don't understand. I don't get why he felt like he had to go round his back. Because that's essentially the outcome that everybody wanted wanted to leave it alone. Asper at his direction gallagher is going to be retired as a ceiling at his current rank. So it gets keep to try and keep his rank which is what everybody wanted overall. So I don't know if that's Esperer Kinda spiting spencer or if he really was going to do that and the entire time. It's very confusing. Something that I didn't realize was so prevalent that the last line in the article. The Navy has revoked one hundred and fifty four tridents since two thousand eleven. I didn't know that that was something that happened. The frequently manager before when you consider there's not that many seals in the community to begin with that seems like a high percentage to me but then I was thinking this is kind of like when they took away. Reggie Bush's heisman like He. He still won the heisman. Right like we all know like two thousand five two hundred six I forget what year was Reggie Bush. One that Heisman so I understand why these seals would be so against losing their trident in the ceremony. Whatever but it doesn't take away the fact that they actually earned it at one one point in their life and I think the current rank that Spencer was trying to get him retire at was East six like I don't think that the actual promotion ceremony back as they can play shit so I wanted him to retire as an E.. Six and he can keep his tried it. But this is another instance. Whenever there's been a lot of talk that Spencer did did this so he could make this public statement? That's public proclamation. That good order and discipline was at stake with these parts so he issued a statement. But I kind of feel like it's like Madison's was a half-measure if you're in this position as the secretary of Navy to make a big statement make it don't don't be like behind the Bush so he said as secretary of the Navy one of the most important responsibilities I have to. Our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the the ranks. I regard this as a deadly serious business. The lies of our sailors marines. A civilian teammates quite literally depend on professionalism professional execution of many of our missions and they depend on ongoing faith in support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside the rule of law what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good Order and discipline. The plan is what has enabled our victory against four tyranny. Time and time again from Captain Lawrence's famous. Don't give up the ship to the discipline determination. That prepared our flag back to the highest point on Iwo Jima. The Constitution the uniform code of military justice are the shields that set us apart in the beacons that protect us. All though my title ten authority I have strive to ensure our proceedings are fair transparent inconsistent for the newest recruit to the flag and general officer level unfortunately has become apparent. That in this respect I I no longer share the same understanding with with the commander in chief who appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order. I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family my flag and my faces support and defend the constitution of the United States. The president deserves and should expect a secretary of the Navy who is allied with his vision for the future of our force of generation and sustainment on and on and on. I don't just say with just say it with your full throat. Dude say it with your full throat. Yeah because he keeps referring to good order and discipline subverting. The chain of command is not in line with good order and discipline well then to Gallagher went on Fox and friends and whoever his leader was like ripped him on the leader ripped him on the thing and saying he was in subordinate to the president. Like there's so many like wacky Shit's going on with this but I don't know I want to be like what do you do if you're in the navy man like you're in the navy. This is legitimate leadership crisis. Yeah what the fuck do you do do you. There's an open position. Do you think they would let us take over the Navy and Marine Corps. I think they on it should uh-huh shit shoutout to certain Jane Doe on twitter. She said if you make me secretary of the Navy I promised to restore the service to its gory. Days of elaborate elaborate song and dance numbers with a Gif Frank Sinatra from the movie anchors. Away La that'd be Love Holiday Ball. That'd be perfect and Dan then you will be your first order. What's that Kate? If if you were in charge of the navy will be the first thing that you did. ooh Some sort of some sort of certain in every hall like Like like cheese whiz or chocolate or you get to pick every week. It's a different sort of found that you get and the bottom of the fountain would have whatever food went with. It would be shaped like a boat floating for morale purposes. What would you? I like. Jane's idea of bringing back the song and dance numbers a big fan of theater. So like drill drill more razzle-dazzle shackling chaps chaps. I think I would have it where I would get rid of those circle hats because they are ridiculous they wear with just the circle that looked like a dog bowl. GotTa gotta get those things the Fuck Outta here and I don't know if there's like a storable meaning but those those things are fucking ugly. I worry forms in general kind of stink at times. Well I need need to cancel. They had the worst I would say they have the worst. I think the Air Force before they got rid of their Tiger Stripe Camby's the recent upgrade. Katie's look good but but other than that. The navy has the worst uniform. Those all lights. I mean as a big chef. Boyardee lady actor is is insane. You can't use asking for punishment right. Wow well that's if there's one thing we can all agree on in this whole story. It's that it's tough to eat spaghetti in Navy uniform true and I'm GonNa say this the next person I don't care if it's the president I don't care if it's the SECDEF I don't care if it's the new secretary of the navy whoever it might be the next person that makes Eddie Gallagher trend again getting a rebuke total rebuke just sick of it. Alexa go-cart hot wing joint. I'm not listening all right. Let's move onto onto row number. Two guys alright. Clip your feet into the pedals kept out right in front of you. Keep going get ahead of the pack in front of you. Keep going ride it like historic champs. Come on on that hill. Con Spill your heart pumping and all right. Let's get uncomfortable and are breathing right to the be under your feet and anyways this story is about if you know that you know you've been in a spin spin class. Have you guys done it. It's been class. Four in the Marine Corps we had spin class really and it was like by this Russian lady who was like everybody kicks you like what's intense. All the people who work the civilians who worked at the Marine Corps Agenda fucking insane. Oh for sure awesome. Can we say top two. There was a story last week that we didn't say everything but I'd say top two place to meet Jodi. Oh probably some sort of spin. Some SORTA cockfight class anyway. Bagaram Afghanistan under a domed style tent in Bagaram Afghanistan filled old with thumping music and rows of bikes lieutenant. Colonel Joseph Swindle turns into a spin instructor perfect name yes great name more like more like Joseph Spin Dull pendle. It's his way of offering a sense of normalcy in home three times a week to troops stationed in what he calls a safe combat zone when folks come in. I see them giving high fives and hugs. And my intent is to make more than cardio class the forty six year old army aviation officer said understanding the power our of camaraderie comes from not only serving the army. He's got tourist Afghanistan one in Saudi Arabia to in South Korea but also as a spin instructor at cycle bar in Hattiesburg and this guy he's commanded like over one thousand people in his unit. Right now you know. We all have ranked. But when we're teaching we love. We leave all that macho stuff at the doors windows. Bill says I want to create friendships trust and relationships. That will stand over time. Honestly I could see how does being over the dunes close fuck you I. I love this. I think I liked the honesty of saying like look. We're in a safe combat spot. You're an Afghan. We're in a relatively space spot. Let's just get through this seven in months to fifteen months. Whatever that appointment is now? Let's just get through it unless you spit are a little off. Yeah that's look forward to three times a week. It's definitely morale-booster. But I just I have to point out that of course is this an aviation dial it conversely like my lieutenant colonel in Iraq but meathead general darty now general already. We had the big dog club that you you could join if you could bench press over three hundred pounds like go to the gym if you were like. Hey Sir. Radio joined the big dog club. He put this contraption on you that lift. There's where and then he's like smack your chest get you all fired up and then you got this nation guys like let's go guys you're climbing glory. Meanwhile simply the best plan in the background. Yeah it's just completely we're next dump on them on it. I'm not dumping. I think it's awesome. But you have to agree that it's kind of fitting that it's navy aging guy whereas some some branches with my old friends gave you our let it just popped back into my brain thought of this name in a long time. Colonel Colonel Holman used is to play linebacker at Penn state under Joe PA to like and he was a big motherfucker he did. He was the same way. Like where you know. You're you're kind of embarrassed like that. You do certain things at the gym like it isn't a super macho thing to go to spin class to go to like body. Combat are huge colonel. Oh who had like the biggest biceps of anybody I've ever seen. In the Marine Corps would go to Zuma for his cardio. School wants to start the start major. I tried to call him out on it and he was like looks major. I've been in the Marine Corps and I've been running since I was born. He's like I am so tired of running to get my cardio and he's like look who's faster he's like I'd never run. Except for the only cardio I do as Zuma and he pulled up because it's our maters trying to roast them. He pulled up the sheet. He ran a twenty three minute. Three Mile in this art major ran a twenty seven. He's like maybe you should be the most macho thing of all is just being confident confident in yourself. And what works for you because true. I do all the spin classes I've gone to. I've been predominantly female and I'm looking at this guy. He's like he's like like Mr Cl- is built like mister clean. There's nothing wrong. You shouldn't have a problem going to spin class if your hard dude. That's FUCKING TOUGH OUR WE'RE I. I recently did it about six months ago with my wife. It was terrible at forty five minutes to an hour consistently writing and writing hard. It's it's definitely a great workout that I I really enjoy. There's a really good instructor in Hoboken at the gym. I go to and he always says he's really great. Inspirational quotes like writing a winner. Just picture your they gotta be. I hope this colonel spindle. Swindle is got the motivational quotes going to and motivational quotes. Overa- when I'm in Spin Class I think it's great. I'm such a negative person that any positively people try and throw it if you're positive but if Paula you try to find the positive aspect of everything cap somebody's like hey shoot for the moon but if you miss it starts like shutout those are what if they're yelling at you. You think that it's different offense. Believe it but if you open up your bitch ass mouth and screaming at me I might believe it I might start going back to spin class and just taking notes of the things that this Guy Robert says and spin class. Because they're that also I would like to invite Lieutenant. Colonel Joseph swindle if he's ever in New York yes we would treat him to spin cycle class. I would love yes I will not go but I'll hope you guys have a fantastic time thank you. I'm real quick. I know you'll never run. Would would you pedal really hard on a bicycle. Yes okay that's GONNA be in round. Three comes to us from our friends at tasking purpose. Ukrainian naval ships captured by Russia last November and released on Tuesday to be return to Ukraine are in very poor condition and cannot move independently. The commander of Ukraine's Navy set on Wednesday. What a crummy move? It's like you know you borrow something from your pal and you give it back and really crappy shape not cool Russia house just in general if you borrow something from someone. I have a better one because it's kind of chefs me. Somebody steals heals your car and then when you get back it's completely fucked all right better. That's a great example. Thank you perfect. Brush these three ships in the Kerch Strait last year after opening putting fire on them and wounding several sailors. Moscow said the ships too small Ukrainian armored artillery vessels and a tugboat. who takes a tug? I I know that that's just not nice city. Well they they said they had legally entered its territorial waters and Kiev denied that the dispute has caused friction between Moscow and the West which has backed Ukrainian position that the ships should not have been held. The Kerch Strait which separates mainland Russia from. Crimea is the only outlet from the as off see where Ukraine. I hate when news articles do that like do we really need to be told at. The Kirk Strait separates mainland Russia. Camila like who did it and the taint of the everybody knows if if Russia's a hole in Crimea's a whole and I'm gonNA say Russia's the Astle Sel Crimea's the beautiful beautiful here this name. Ukrainian Navy Chief Vice Admiral Ihor Lauren. Kinko Oh told. Ukrainian Fourth Channel Longtime Story. The ships had not yet reached Ukrainian territorial waters. They were being towed so slowly they do not go on in their own. The Russians ruined them even took off lamps power outlets and listen to this toilets. No we will show the whole world the Russian barbarianism towards them wow. I don't know why that word gave me a trip up when I was able to get bored and go but anyway back without toilet. uh-huh meanest thing you could possibly do. Give back their ship without the toilets. They pretty much just chop shop these ships. Yeah like that's exactly what because you're not walking into the ship if you get your shit back you're like hell yeah. Let me go see if my ipad still there and let me go see what my rack looks like. You're not thinking to check the toilets. Before you take off next thing you know you got a bunch of Ukrainians just fucking pissing and shitting off the bow. Imagine this Ukrainian soldier and you're riches house and Perogie down at the local Schnitzel joy and all of a sudden they're like the bolts are back. Oh thank God right as you get there like Oh shit and you go and there's nothing but a hold of the C- Terrible I mean. He reminds me of like the Army Navy game. We went there because when we first had the very first barstool. RV You get in there and your round crowd and nobody wants to go stand in line and take selfie while you're like at a reporter body or anything like that you WANNA go back onto the Barstool bus and do your business. Well if they didn't empty it out. That bad boy has been filled Phil Phil Phil. So there's nothing worse than traveling in a spot that doesn't have operating toilets especially if you're out on the open seas. Because Kate was saying earlier today she wasn't sure if you had diarrhea or not imagine toilets. Thank you for mentioning that I was down the Jersey. Shore go crabbing. You just take on these little crowding boats there. It's like a giant canoe can fit like eight people or whatever and grow enough as little kids. If we take like a dumper be they would just hold us over the the boat. We're not going back to shore I used to do. I'm with to stick me into the ocean bad for the environment you know. The crabs love that donated. Yeah I mean I've never seen a shark swim up to the shore grabs newspaper put it under his little fin and walk doc to the nearest seven eleven to go take a dump their dumping in that thing all the time itself. Nature's toilet maybe they can adopt a new way. Yeah hopefully so this also for all those that are listening that have children. That were once the age of Kate whenever she was five. So if you have a five year old. Here's a Good Dad Chad. Hack for a boat toilet. What you can do is take essentially wag a garbage bag with some kitty litter? Bring a painter's bucket you bring a painter's bucket out there and then cut a pool noodle in half like where you cut it long way so you can put it around the bucket shop and then they can sit on that bucket comfortably in Shit or Piss into the kitty litter. Yes perfect it's delay. And then you dump Bala of it over the side of the boat to the ocean the whole thing and they're just oh yeah just toss it. You just need not enough. People are brave enough to say that the preliterate these very prolific on this podcast hugely hugely litter. Indeed dump it out. I have never ever picked up my trash from anywhere I've ever been and I never good for you. Thank you thank you only ten thousand years. Yeah so let you know. I won't be here. Yeah all right. Let's move on around for random before. We have Marine Corps. Sergeant Brandon Vandal. Linda who joined us after going viral last night after he attended the Patriots game. Stick around. Here why how high up right now. Zero Blogs Doc. Thirty privilege to have Sergeant Brendan Vanda Linda on the show. He is a machine gunner. He is an active duty marine. Who just reenlisted? Last night. He was up at Foxboro Foxboro Stadium in Massachusetts to enjoy a patriots game for his beloved Patriots and he got a little bit more than he bargained for in terms of social media will get into that a little little bit but I wanna start off this asked you just got back in two thousand seventeen on a on a mission to Syria. Can you walk us through. Oh kind of how that went for you guys. Yes so. We participated in the We were there in support of operation in hurt resolve and and that was the mission to defeat the Islamic state or Isis. And we were there by their Proclaimed Caliphate or like their capital capital of Rock Assyria and we did operations that basically throughout that That six or seven months that we were there on that deployment we cleared out like probably eighty percent of that city in conjunction with other units. And everybody doing their piece of the puzzle. We were able to clear out that city of the Islamic state there and help the Syrian people out. So we have a good portion of civilian listeners. For can you kind of walk through day-today life is for an NCO of Machine gunners like what what your day to day tasks so if we're sitting talking talking like back home or are like in Syria so I was a lance corporal then but he's carrying heavy shit. Yeah the three-month she's carrying Karen my shit around stone a lot of sandbags and a lot of post. That was really what I did. We you know we. We had our funny stories from over. There are crazy stories. But you know the sergeants wore in charge of the bigger overall picture control of the squad. Uh Control on everybody and my job as a machine. Gunner is a little bit different because we're kind of support and Make sure that the The other guys can move around so that we can. We can provide them fire so that they have the cover move. And you know the sergeants tour in charge stuff. I do now is You you know they're in charge of making sure all that stuff happens so now would you be at a guy on the ground in two thousand seventeen when she was really really bad in Syria. Do you follow the news. Sound like what happens and feel a little bit more personally invested like. I know I did that when I came home from Volusia I would watch if any if any news article mention Volusia. Yeah I was Gonna read that. Are you that way as well. Yeah I definitely feel that way especially with it being in the news. So much recently It it definitely is a touch more personal and I I try to. I try to stay as as read up on it as I can to. Kind of keep myself Involved and it's a nice way of me like bring bring myself back there too sometimes. Yeah going on over there. Yeah stuff to keep up and like know what side is telling the truth because the media is what the way that the media is for sure but you came back from your deployment in two thousand seventeen and then you've got some news that most marines on active duty don't don't anticipate getting. Can you explain to us what happened. Yeah absolutely so I was on a deployment to Okinawa Japan and we did avant your missions over air like two different training missions and stuff like that we had yeah beautiful. We had just gone back from the Philippines and we were doing on some training with the Filipino marines. Down there who are fighting their own war against Isis on their home turf so best of luck all those guys are great and You know I came back and it was a lot of days in the hot sun and I had what's called Materia or mature yeah. I'm not a doctor fucking though but it's basically when you're pissing blood. Joe I started. I started pissing blood and it lasted for you. Know a good amount of times and it was was something that happens sometimes from carrying a lot of weight and it just happened so it wasn't something that surprised me a crazy bit at fucked up that that they just like. Oh this a blood. This is normal shit like this you you tell someone and then gone in the background like I've been facing watch for years you're not you're not working hard enough doubled so I don't get myself check out and no they told me like drink. More water I hope not beaten off too much like that. Might be which was ridiculous so I thought nothing of it and then a few months later it start to come back again and this time it was much worse and I got checked out a little step because most we had just for full disclosure. We had to record this interview twice because my audio is fun. But you got the you got the information from your original set of doctors at like your normal Cormon your normal and then of course and you took it upon yourself. You realize. This isn't something that's normal. I need to go outside. The normal steps of getting things done which is rare for marines needs to do. Yeah I kind of figured that it was With what it was I look at least with your Dick. Yeah I like my Dick. I'd like to keep it so I wanted to make sure that whatever the fuck was going on down there was something that You know I could take care of and when I figured that it was probably something that was out of my control. I made sure that I went and got seen and the doctors that I had probably not by any like it probably not by their own faults. They probably didn't think it was a huge deal just like I didn't think it was a huge deal but I ended up going in and making sure that I got seen at the Naval Hospital by kind of skipping skipping the chain of command a little bit but you know thankfully because it ended up Working out that we caught it when we did and When I got my system could be done As we like to call it getting your bore punched when they They they you know no no no nominee or anything like that. They gotTA stick a camera down on their an air bladder and there's only one way to get him there and it's pretty bad but We got in there and You know it was funny. The doctor had the camera and and I was awake as they don't put out for shit like that it's military so I'm sit there and he's an inside the bladder. He's basically got a camera but now when he tells you gotTa do. Are you like I know. That's your primary plan but we need to have an alternate and a tertiary plan as well. Well we need to have a different area of attack that we're going to go about this ambush the bladder instead of going straight through it. Yes so he was like. Hey so this is a non invasive procedure procedure that we're going to do and I was like really dig is not invasive it noninvasive I guess means no cutting fucking invasive downed it man always gets Yep. Have you ever done this. Have you ever gotten this done to yourself. I wonder if Cormon have to give themselves an IV before they can do it to somebody else. I wonder if it's the same thing with the bladder doctor. You just gotTa Punch your own bore if they gonNA learn on yourself so they ended up giving you the information and they say that you have stage to cancer but luckily it is a type that is not going into spread right. Yes so they said. I had a low grade And non invasive form of a stage sue bladder cancer which you know. Oh it's it's very good and I'm very lucky that it isn't bad you know There are so many people who fight this battle against cancer and and they don't have it nearly as as easy as I do you know when it came to the surgeries that I got and the procedure and the chemotherapy that came afterwards You know a lot of those people have to do So many rounds of chemotherapy. And I'm really lucky that I did not have to do as many of that. You know I feel very very very look. Did the doctors mentioned that. Because you are in such good shape because you're moraine that it helped like the recovery process process as well so the crazy thing is when I had all my tests on and they did my surgeries. They sent everything to Walter Reed. Because they'd never seen anybody my age with water cancer you know it's it's it's common in men but common in men in like their forties and fifties and I'm twenty four years old So it was very shocking to everybody there and when the doctor told me that it was bladder cancer It was actually during my Sustauskas Pianos. I was like okay. Great can you please take this thing out of me then. Talk but He they were really surprised and it was something that it it was kind of a learning experience for everybody because they'd never really seen someone my age. Get this and when you get that. Are you when you get that first. Diagnosis are you also so thinking fuck. There goes my career to you know the first thing that came to my head and this is probably fucked up all my buddies. Screw around with me about my hair. I'm losing my hair like I am balding fucking really GONNA lose my hair now but yeah it was it was surreal real It I didn't really know how to react and my buddies who were around me during those a couple of weeks I gotta thank them so much for being there and my family. Only for being there. my buddies we call ourselves the trump bucket. It's funny where a group of hoodlums but you know we We got each other's back and that's awesome. I gotTa thank them so much but I think when you get back to that unit you get back to the chum bucket they're gonNa Roast you about what happened last night in Foxborough I got. I probably had eighty eighty text messages in the first ten minutes of that. All right let me set the scene. How how this sergeant urgent got on? DVD's radio first of all so he goes up to get honored at the game. They have out there before the game in his dress. Blue Stan arraign. Looking good with a fresh air cut is doing all that stuff. He gets a gifted some tickets to the super bowl. Which I'm sure is going to be doped down in Miami they into into rough and rowdy to come out and hang out with us at rough and rowdy at our party there? Oh that'd be awesome but then you're standing on the sidelines. Tom Brady. The greatest of all time is tried tried to run out the last five seconds on the clock. And then what happens so You know we it's funny me and my buddy were talking. They had it just run the ball the other way a couple of place before. Now they're going to throw it over your bet. Wouldn't that be funny and he ended up throwing the ball over there. You know I got a late read on the ball and I am not. I wasn't too good about football player to begin with when I did clay so of course I got a late jumps to and I gave it my all and you know the ball hit my hands. I should have caught it but I like how. You're not putting out best the typical sergeant a machine gunners attitude. You didn't throw got any excuses. You didn't mention the fact that you're standing there in dress blues which is restricted uniform. You can barely move your arms. You're wearing those things above your head. You can't move them out. You're not mentioned the fact that you're wearing core France which are slick on the bottom. You can't even hardly stand on concrete let alone grass. It's been wet for the entire day and and you went out there and now you're trying to go out on social media. Make it happen again. I think Tom Brady is going to give in. And I think he's going to give you a shot you know that would be so cool. I it's funny. I got got the chance to meet him after the game and it was a really short meeting he came over and shook my hand and said thank you for your service and you know I was I was shell shocked even be in the presence of of the greatest first of all time So I shook his hand back. Thank you and then you know. Ataman came over and talked for a little bit and he was so great but I mentioned to him. I said talk through that pollinate dropped and he started laughing and he he made a joke about just getting my reps in or something like that but it was it it was really cool and hopefully maybe I'll get a chance to redeem myself and maybe have a game of catch with Tom there. You go if anybody knows about dropping a big passing. Tom Brady is Julian Edelman. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa talk about that. I'm trying to help myself out here. Not Not not make my chances more slim. Glad to hear that you're GonNa be that you re enlisted the Marine Corps. You got another four years ago. Thank you so much for your service not taking the time to join join us today. We really appreciate it. Hey Man thank you guys ask for your service too. And I'm a huge fan of the podcast and I look forward to listening to this episode. Please clap the great story from Brandon. I can't imagine being in the Marine Corps. And you get you just get back from deployment you get promoted to start at. You're trying to reenlist. And the next thing you know you got fucking cancer cancer I know and I do. I'm glad he was such a good sport because we roasted him on. TV tease her. Last night I was like Ooh Loofah Loofah and he couldn't have been funnier about it. He was super awesome. So I think that positive attitude will allow him to beat the cancer and ultimately. I think the way it's going to shake out he's GonNa GonNa get invited to Patriots practice and him and Tom Brady are just going to have a catch. And that's going to be amazing. If he's ever I would say come through. Especially if we have that cycle guy here too and we can. We offer him recycled glass. That'd be worth it for them for sure He was great. Let's move onto round five. It was great to have brand partly because it is still movember and we're trying to raise money and awareness for all types of men's health issues that are all across the health landscape. One of those is prostate cancer or testicular cancer mental health we're big Advocates for and suicide prevention. This year parcels owned on he does is growing out his November mustache to save a bro. Join him on Barstools. Movember team and help US changed. Changed the face of men's health for every fifty bucks fundraise on your team. You're going to enter a win. A A chance to join us at the Army Navy game which is should be a shit it show. Big Cat is going to be their day is going to be there. Casey Smith Brandon fucking Walker. The whole squad mccague con brand. We're all going to be down there enjoying the time. Just go out. Grow your mustache for the remainder of the month. Join our team at movember dot com slash Barstool for every fifty bucks urine. You're going to get a chance to go with you. WanNa POW to the Army Navy live. Show so make sure you do that again. That's November dot com slash. Bu Barstool to join our team go your mustache and fundraise for your chance to win. The Grand Prize are. Let's move on to round number five. Do you guys have whenever you're doing Thanksgiving because you're both big big family folks whenever you and the extended family do you guys take the time at Thanksgiving to say what you're thankful for usually so my grandmoms house growing up. Yeah I think I think we always did it both like every other year we'd flip we would do my mom's family that my dad's feelings and my mom's nose really tiny. My Dad I love bragging about this is one of thirteen thinking and so the Thanksgiving would be like like eight tables that weaved through my grandma's house with all these people and so they would go through a hot shit in take. It was so hot it smelled like you ever smell a pillow. After it's been I haven't changed the pill too long. Anyway I was. That was a very weird TV rooms of their farting it up any kind of men. I regret everything I just. It was up there. Rip It it was like my favorite house on the planet anyway so they would go through and it'd be like fifty people in this House House and I was getting closer to my turn every year. I remember being like communicate. Say something funny say something funny boom away like I remember and then every year I would blow it and be like ooh. ooh What is it. We're all waiting to eat Turkey so every I remember the pressure of having to say what I was thankful for you you guys yeah. We used to do that all the time. Like we'd have to go around and say something in everybody tries to out deep each other but there's always that person Who starts talking and has no idea where they're gonNA finish up? Michael Scott sometimes. I'll start a sentence that I don't know where I'm GonNa go data going and going like a bad wedding. Somebody who gives a speech at a wedding and you can tell they didn't think of anything and then just rambling. Yes yes people do that shit all the time and it drives drives me fucking crazy but I did want to give everybody the opportunity here to say what they're thankful for and we're going to start with young brand owner Dan you have. I'm thankful for Barstool. Sports not just zero block dirty. Obviously very thankful for you guys but I feel like I've like joined a gigantic family here parcel. There's just like the the working environment and atmosphere and the Camaraderie. Here's something like I've never had before I feel like at this largescale. Everybody is like on the same page and we do a ton of great stuff make a lot of people laugh. Make a difference in a lot of people's lives so I'll start out deep love. Oh You guys love the company Meritorious Mass for breads answer lance corporal a friend. Let's relax a little bit but I am going to give ten points to griffin door for Branson which is pretty special as well you know. They say hogwarts awkward says the World King. Yeah con what about you. Say that all right get comfortable old slithering within head Arrigo get comfortable. I'm thankful that Kate made it here despite tweeting and driving last night and I'm thankful that her hair came out so good this time. It's your color. Yeah you look fantastic orange at the top luke. Fantastic Larry Bird last week and I said I gotTA GO Brown. It looks really good. It came out great this time. I'm thankful that you didn't have to go cry into CVs for thirty minutes. Thank you I appreciate that. I'm thankful that Bren. Got His tattoo finished up for the holidays. So you're not thankful for that. What does that filibuster? This is exactly the Michael Scott fucking thing. No I have have it all written out thankful for Kyle all the great work he's done for us this year on our social really improve that one and chaps. I'm thankful that Your Eyes are no longer foo bar. Thank you oh I like that. Oh and lastly I'm all I'm thankful that you all put up with mayor seemingly put up with me evident by the text thread going on last night aerial piece piece of Shit. I know I'm pretty. I'm pretty brutal to deal with. And you guys all do it. At least to my face I have no idea what you say behind my back. Sorry I'm thankful for a lot. Yeah no I agree. I think we're GONNA bring up your your shows that make you go voucher. Real answer caught goofing. No no I wrote that down that was actual sentiments. Oh my God put no mashed potatoes and he only gets half support Tough because mashed potatoes are my favorite speaking of. I'm thankful for a while. I was just there last night I got myself a large IRGC Gablers Hagi with all the fixings. Mashed potatoes stuffing cranberry sauce. Saw Tun of Gravy extranets on that sucker Turkey it. It was just a delight I got pulled over by the cops. I got pulled over by the cops last night. Wild State troopers and when they saw that half of my cobbler had rolled off the the paper and down my passenger side seat. They let me go on like this latest. Messed so thank you to offer that you should be thanking the state troopers and the state state troopers as well. I had one hundred counterfeit hundred dollar bill in the front of my car and I was like they're like and I was like yeah. It's counterfeit So thankful for that encounter and that they let me off thankful I feel like I'm very scale like I'm always on the shows. We point out these stories of things that are like wacky with the military and I have like all my gripes and stuff. I am so thankful for all. The troops are are active reserve. Everybody overseas everybody who listens to the show. I'm so thankful for the listeners that we have I get so many. Em's from our listeners whether there rotc the or civilian or active duty and they are overwhelmingly. Positive I love I just love are just so grateful and thankful for them All the military women out there lifting each other up and moving past the haters. I'm thankful for them for them continuing to break barriers like Lance Corporal Alexa Barth who completed the basic recon course This month I also. I'm thankful for you guys. I'll get on the South Trine to you. Guys are like brothers to me which is probably why an asshole times and make you insane and thankful for all the guest we've had on and thankful for my family so that's all seven hundred forty eight all seven hundred pillow head smell hillhead assets totally normal. I'm thankful for the show as well I was. I think I've said it before that whenever I got out of the brink or the thing that I thought I was going to miss the most was the interaction in the mentor ship process of what it was like being a marine leader. I that's what I loved about. The Marine Corps the most was the opportunity to mentor junior marines. And things like that and I think that this show can be an extension of the impact that you leave on the world and I love the fact that we have a big enough audience and a passionate audience to raise two hundred thousand dollars in a couple hours and not like comparison but I've seen other celebrities and things like that have much bigger scope much larger audience. that US don't even come close to the impact that Z.. Bt and the stories make in fact I'll go. I'll I'll write the check for over one hundred thousand dollars in like two weeks which is insane like when you think about how much money that is when it was I I think the biggest donation that we had might have been one hundred bucks but primarily. Everything was a dollar two dollars three dollars. Five dollars and added added up to over one. Hundred Thousand Bucks is just nuts and that doesn't come without an amazing loyal audience that trust us and we thank you for that trust and we'll do our best whenever we talk about politics serious issues not to violate that trust so this thanksgiving I am thankful for our audience as well and obviously for you fucking the piles of pigs shit like you guys to fit in a compliment right in there at the deed so I actually got the inside. That scoop on how navy was able to get their hands on the commander-in-chief trophy and for those who don't know Navy went into army. What at West Point stole while? So here's the thing. Each year at all three academies exchange cadets so kits could ads from air force in. He will come for a semester at army they do like a round robin thing. I love that. I didn't yeah. Use how words to different school. But at any rate normally the commander-in-chief interim chief trophy trophy for US stays in our football facility. which is a locked building? You need a key in a code to get in and then once you're even in its behind a case that that is locked however commissioner and she's trophy as much like kind of like the Stanley Cup. It goes places with things so the commodore. I think it was went to. Some event brought plotted with them. And then when he brought it back they put it in central guard room to be returned to the football facility. In the morning and there were navy cadets there was one navy cadet on duty at the time called up his buddies and it was like get here now. I'll be here all night and then I'll let you in and you guys can have it so they have it right now. They they offered to give it back. We said No. That's okay you guys keep it. Oh ultimate bulletin board material because I was also told that when players found out that it was stolen they were none too pleased so also since you're basically saying it was the confidantes fault what is going to have to be like whenever one of my marines lost something. I think the commandant needs to put that on a necklace. And I I agree I mean why not. Only a hundred and twenty pounds. He should be able to do that. That's an Afghan Gallos. The cop the commander in chief trophy. When you're fucking wearing boots I it's true? Well one. What does Abe more thing if you are listening to this and you are feeling alone or down or anything this thanksgiving? RDM's are open. Hit US up. I'll probably just be. He's sitting online. Hung over Chirpin haters so slide. A modems and I'm going to buy weirdly Hippie Church so I'm just going to be hanging out and eaten problematic. I believe a Vegan Turkey or something. You're not alone and if you're not able to get home this Thanksgiving we are thinking of you and we're thankful for you. No doubt all right any save around advice advice. Yeah I saw a tweet earlier today From the Dean at West Point the first captain great name here Dane Vander the wall. Oh he was just ordered a Rhodes scholarship so I was curious. Do you think being a Rhode scholar going pro and school. Yeah that's like not even pro in school. That's like hall of Fame Level School. Yeah it's ridiculous I. I can't even wrap my brain to be to be a Rhode scholar so credit to this kid. Good for him. Army could be smart. I just didn't know that. No I don't think I have anything Oh I'm going to meet my boyfriend's family way. Wait are you flying out. Can I borrow your car. Then it's not registered. That's why I keep getting pulled over her and actually more thing. It took me two hours to find parking last night. I finally finally parked in his spot. It was like street sweeping Monday. Eight thirty am I did not get up to go. Look at it as probably told you. I'm thinking it's towed. Hey you coach this time on just GonNa be like it's meant to be tango world. It's gone so anyway. So maybe if if you wanted to risk it but Anyway that's my bread. Yeah I think I want to start coming up with more ranches asking like basic questions about like your service and stuff like that. So what is the best Thanksgiving meal you ever had on deployment I'll have a picture of it. I can share with the group or worse because I imagine there word very many good ones. I was never thanksgiving. I always once I came home like right before Thanksgiving once. We all had to go anybody. That was left behind it. The Barracks Eric Su. There's a bunch of thanksgivings I couldn't get home and I was in California one. I had to go to volunteer to go to our staff surgeons house for Thanksgiving. He was a wild card. Everybody ended up getting hammered drunk and then they all went out to some club and I got stuck because I was the only lady I got stuck having to stay back and watch all the kids and what what and then when people came back it was it was weird. When people came back there had been tied up the house forever but there they had an ant problem in their house there had been? They had pizza at this thanksgiving. So there was ansel over the pizza and the stats are. I don't give a fuck and heated up this pizza in the microwave of ants on it and ate it. uh-huh happy Thanksgiving everyone. I was real weird. Kate is all right. Sound the retreat. uh-huh uh-huh

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November 25, 2019

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

02:53 min | 9 months ago

November 25, 2019

"Good Monday morning Anna Palmer and welcome to your politico playbook audio stay tuned after the show for a message from Amazon. And I'm Jay Sherman. The Washington Post David Ignatius Asia. whose father was secretary of the navy from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen sixty nine waited on the firing or dismissal? Depending you look at it of Navy Secretary Richard Spencer and seems to have some good inside reporting after trump's tweet Spencer cautioned Mick Mulvaney that he would not overturn the plan sealed. Peer Review and privately told associates. If such an order came name he might resign rather than carry it out. While the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the White House late Thursday and try to deescalate the situation. It was not successful. The New York Times is reporting the gallagher will be able to keep his trident pin now. The symbol of his membership in the seals because it would be impossible for him to get an impartial hearing. ABC News is reporting that the House Intel Intel committee is in possession of videos and audio recordings provided by Rudy Giuliani's associate lead parnents and the Washington. Post has a piece of that. A White House review of emails shows extensive effort by acting White House Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney White House budget officials to provide an explanation the with held funds for Ukraine. And while she chose reporting the two Giuliani associates tried to recruit a Ukraine energy official. Her in the president of the Los Saint Louis City Council is running to be La county supervisor and has an ad made by Mark Putnam that shows him looking for his crack addicted son on the streets of L. A.. On the twenty twenty. The Times is reporting. The Joe Biden is struggling Iowa and his supporters and operatives believe it's because Biden's organization is scattered shot and in some places not present in his events are typically small and Tasha correct emails. US that I would dem's received one hundred. Seventy three applications for individuals or groups to hold satellite caucuses says including more than one hundred with in Iowa forty seven out of state including ten in Florida seven in Arizona and four Illinois and California and six countries New Zealand Georgia Japan Scotland France and Mexico odd tap for trump's Monday. The president will have lunch with Mike. Pence Twelve fifteen. He'll hostal Garin. President then participate in a signing ceremony for the Women's Suffrage Centennial Commemorative Coin Act at four fifteen afterwards word till sign the preventing animal cruelty torture act subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook. This podcast is sponsored by Amazon. Who's delivering your packages Amazon's delivery service partner program puts entrepreneurs in the driver's seat of their own businesses? These small business owners get support from Amazon to grow a successful successful package delivery business with low. Start up costs built-in demand and access to Amazon's technology and logistics experience. Find out more at logistics dot Amazon Dot Com.

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Design: On the cards

Monocle 24: Section D

28:58 min | 1 year ago

Design: On the cards

"This is Monica on design the show on the best in architecture industrial, design, graphics, and fashion. I'm Josh Bennett coming up today. I think if you write your name, and that you are Joyner that is enough. So that your joint don't necessarily think you need to make the card out of would surely new year calls for fresh business card. Monaco's creative director the inimitable. Richard spencer. Power says his tips designing a good one and how to swerve plumping for a bad one. And in the coming years, we'll be fracturing because I think she actually Brown seed money in order to make more of an impact pay one off the calendar. Joined by Monaco's fashion, editor Jamie waters to talk about what we can expect from this year's fashion calendar, plus the founders of Indonesian practice shampoo mull over the challenges of Indonesia's, shall we say idiosyncratic climate all that coming up right here on monocle on design on monocle twenty four with me. Josh. Bennett. Do stay tuned. And whether it's minimal and elegant or Californian flashy. It's more likely than not the your business card says something about the work that you do. And it may not be something you like to discuss more. I'm joined in-studio now by Monaco's, creative director, Richard Spencer. Pound. Hello. We actually have the same business Kagyu either. They're both designed by you. I've gone through the archives, and I've found enthusiastic editors to pass me some of the best and worst business cards. They've been handed, and I think you in for a bit of a treat, but before we delve into this two business cards in your opinion, still set the tone. They stood important in the world of business when we're having interactions with people to we still need a bit of paper. This has who we are all of this be done online. Probably don't need them. But like lots of analog things, very nice. They punctuate a meeting very nicely. There's good introduction years ending that will be a ceremony involved, especially in Japan. So I think I asked good times too. If you do them, right? But there's a question because so many people do badly. I think business cards kinda making this a bit. I think the one area of graphic design. That's the only era of design. That's got a kind of a vending machine solution that you often finding roadside petrol stations where you can go mate design on the spot fifty business cards of your own which is kind of how low of business car can be can't really do that with anything else except for business thing. I want to ask if there are any kind of ground rules as well. There's a sort of standard size standard, wait that famous famous scene in kind of American psycho where the subtleties of, you know, whether it's bone or off whiter kinda played with by the new rotted character. But is okay to you know, Hugo business card of wood or print in pink and use both sides of any other any rules. Well, I think it depends on on what the pieces card is for. If you're a big company. It has to match the letterhead asthmatic compliment slips estimates the envelope. Aspen, poverty, bigger corporate program, which is. Won the Monaco business card is quite simple an elegant entities myself. But it matches everything else is part of the program. If you're a one man outfit and your your furniture studio, your Joyner, you might wanna put everything into business cards. So it kind of encapsulates what you do. Now. I think if you write your name, and that you are Joyner that is enough to tell that you're joining I don't necessarily thing you need to make the card out of wood or embossed. Some, you know, a sore into earning that don't think it needs to be so little so my ground rule would be don't go OTT. It's not an exercise of showing printer can do. It's really it should be a nice elegant thing and in the spirit of kind of showing people up a little bit. I'm going to ask you, not to mention the names or the companies if possible on the business cards, I'm gonna show you some different examples of different materials here, we have a whiskey maker, and it's kind of a an oddly shaped, I didn't have the listeners heard that sound an oddly shaped kind of wooden business card in the show. Shape of a barrel. I mean, I'm not convinced by that is way too big to put in a Waller a kind of see where they're going. But what do you make that? What am I this is a sum district printer has visited this whisking manufacturing combination and said we can do laser etching on lots of different materials. And he said would and they've seen an example of something that someone's done. I said, okay, great. We can have always keep our. So I think this is kind of driven by a digital printer sales person. And yes, it's a slim practical Ouch may be memorable for pro real the wrong reasons, I've got one here. I would actually embarrass the guy and say his name, I will probably shouldn't count really read it. It's been imprinting kind of piece of copper that's taken every single fingerprint since it was handed over to make utterly legible. So it's of etched encompass sort of the wrong shape. I feel like it's a little bit dangerous even with those sharp corners. Absolutely. I mean, if your business card oxidises, I think he's done something wrong. You don't need to. I mean, you should be polishing your business conflict. Brosseau just that. His legible. Okay. So I'm sense. I'm sensing where this conversation's guy. So that is materials for you. We've got some don't promise we will supply listeners. Also by the end of the show with some dues as well. I'm gonna move onto shapes. So a broad array of different business cards, some of them slightly smaller than the standard business card. Some of them like kind of like a reservation, Simon a hotel this little ones, particularly annoying score number on it. And it's half the size of business card cut into a square would you lie on shapes? Whether it's cutting off the corners during a concert, the business card similar to materials is just too many gimmicks in hair, and that's just not practical. You know, I think there's a rule about business constantly should be one sided. I think that is based on the fact that back in the day when you business card you attach it to a Rolodex. If you stay voters, you think content over getting information on the back, and I think that should be the rule of thumb everything on once more shade, everything you can read everything you need all information done legible clear. I mean. I mean, that's what is foreign to get across your details. But we're gonna come onto this. You know, some if you're working across two different languages, for instance, to have the Japanese on the front and the English on the back. Is there a space for that? Well, I mean, that's probably the one example, we have done examples of that where we've done Jewison into language on personnel. You can design it and get all on one side. And I think that's the discipline. I think he should stick to instead of expanding your design onto both sides and folding and unfolding it. They feel like stickers that you'd pick up when you're in a shop, and there's something to pick up Saint free the dropped into your bag the one you're holding. There is particularly ungracious and a few counts because it sort of is very angular bigger than the normal business card is wider than the normal business of the shaper handgun if it was kind of like, crystal handgun, and they haven't provided the person's Email address someone is how to write on their Email address at the organization, which just feels a bit crappy doesn't it it smarts to me of budget saving diplomatic bespoke cartridge member staff they made a generic you fill in. So we got to. More categories. I'm getting a feeding the I sort of know on your conclusions are going to be from the fact that you're saying simple stock you're saying stick to the colors. So I've got a few business 'cause I consider to be quite good business cards, and we're going to start off with that of professor, and Dr Eric speak Mun, eminent typography and cut a friend of Monaco. He's gone one-sided is one sided affair. He's stuck race. Simply to who. He is and his contact numbers and stuff and quite thick ply on that as well. You probably about four those won't feel lucky. Perfect. Isn't it is not news caps? That's how minimal is kept. It is one color is one technique is a standardized way shape ninety five fifty five mil three fifty GSM. And it's just who he is and had to get in touch with him via Email phone or mobile phone. I mean, that's what you need. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna lead you through some indulgences I quote, Mike on the other business 'cause we've got a bit of color again this to side of business, but the name of. Of the company on the back quite hall to read. But then the contact information very bright red elsewhere. You know, we've got a bit of foiling, but go falling off right of gold foil ridge flow as long as it's done nicely. This is done very nicely. Nice and simple and some of these things. Hey, you can tell I think that design is part of a bigger program. You know, you can tell this red button. For example, I'm magin their packaging, their letterhead, envelopes law all match that little bit of blind bossy with the logo on the back, very subtle. But imagine a guy in that will be existed in a similar way. Elsewhere now recuperated, and how important do you think it is that those things kind of link up as well, I'm in your your brand man behind all of the Monaco branding, but previously. You've obviously worked on other projects. With more commercial briefs is the business conduct. Kind of the smallest block in the building of a much bigger kind of suite of services or house. It's the smoothest piece of print more or less, and I think it's impor-. It says the president. But also, it sets up how you think about a brand and how you should continue to work and think about brand. Now, if you do good job on you'll let head and your business card bookmark in your sign outside your building. There's every chance you're gonna do a good job on the next thing you need to do which might be an invite might be bespoke piece of print, and then you've got the foundation to keep building on it. And you can look that business card of Monaco's designed coming on twelve and a half thirteen years ago. And you can look at the last thing we did the last new thing, we did maybe the drinking Dynamex Zine, and they kind of much there's a sort DNA links them, and I think that's important for recognition out in a wide world because if you stick to things, and if you stick to aesthetics, and I think we can make things long lasting, and I'm kind of like dispensing, some some examples I've found of sort of not great business cards will come to this one which I'm pointing out last. I think these these make the kind of mistakes that someone like myself not graphic designer say we've got one here which his by can say the name of the wine critic Parker, the most eminent wine critic someone here who works for him has his name on the business card, and you you can't read that no way you can meet that completely illegible. It's his signature. We've got another one here an academic. He's kind of a new cod, but he stuck a sticker over it. Because he wants to use the old cards and gather correct address on as not great is it. He's not. This feels like it's come out from machine that's for sure. So that particularly August university not investing business cards, which we check and understand to some extent. Yeah. There's a bit more of a creative one here. I have a bit of a Mon in the latest issue of Monaco about people job titles that don't make any sense, you know, you'll retail Djeddai your head of global command or something and this says the name of a person, and then is a and then a space, and then underneath what does it say crowd paste capitalist pattern thinker, bright color, local war? Okay. So so it's has a knowledge of French. We may be giving away too much about him. But that space is just inviting something a bit rude. Isn't that you're gonna write this person is a absolutely is like a question on comedy game show? Another one is great kind of Milanese designs today, but that business cons enormous. And again, they haven't gotten their own one and someone who's had to bright their Email address on the back. And that thing is massive, isn't it? Yeah. It's like a bit of bold. I mean, yes, you could plus reward with this thing, I think if you come bend in half you gone to have you on the stock? That's for sure. I'm gonna hand you too. Because I feel like I'm doing all the talking for these one is for a photographer, and I'm not quite sure what the other one does. But give us a bit of a description of one of the ones you holding a game. I think photos on business cards shouldn't exist. And if you'll all this talk for and if I is particularly unpleasant of semi naked women silent exercise bowl that I think is an atrocity, and then the other one is another photo someone going down a slide. Looks like a cross between a water slide in a phone party space hive I think you need to maybe drop me a line, and I can give you some some clear direction on what you should be doing. But isn't what you're currently doing and just to finish this over the of levity menace. I've cod which I believe is for drug data. I'm not sure where it was sourced. It's empty says said a phone number. And then the words anything anytime anyplace delivery, twenty four seven I actually don't think it's a terrible piece of. Zayn? It's pretty clear about what it does is legally very questionable. But does that land rich on the Rolodex is cheap to put together? That's for sure it's like a of like a photocopy more than our business card, but you can't argue with the messaging, it sounds like Amazon anything anytime anyplace delivery, twenty four seven, and it's got a faction. Glitz Bolander as well. So clear likes to party, this chap's it and for the listeners Richard just put that card in his pocket, and he's running out of the studio it with his mobile phone his hand. Thank you very much. Monaco's creative director, Richard Powell. Thank you. And join now in studio by Monaco's, very own, Jamie waters. And if I were to describe his outfit, which is something I love to do on the radio, rather plain for the start of this near Jayme is one of the first days back in the office for us kind of voluminous white shirt is this the beginning of a season in which colors have been banned. Nowhere. You haven't seen my jumper which had taken off because it's hard in the offer as bowling, very plain and boring. Imagine you'll brightest clothes in your suitcase. Because you've got a busy few weeks ahead of you with the fashion calendar taking off pity. Whoa. Most today in the foot hesitant bathroom Florence London fashion week has pulled to a bit of a close over in London. Nubia milan. Yes. What are you looking forward to? Yes. So it's a start the year for the men's wear industry. I thought it'd be good to kind of go through a few of the topics that I think people will be talking about gossip. You're skirting. The paper wanna hear about from fasten. So Simmons was fired that one loves good firing fund from Calvin Klein was this Cape reveling in this. Yes. I mean, this is just really big news over the Christmas break, which I think the sort of announcement dot breaks the hearts of a lot of people in the fashion industry. And I think he's gonna be analyzed over the coming months cements beloved design are really talented fashiony east design because he has a lot of interesting references. He's very artistic and creative. Hey was born into Kevin Kline which was doing well as a brand of the back of underwear sows and things but refuse boarding to make it cool essentially, and he had his own very high end line. And then the point that it was meant a sort of halo effect where it became very ATI in high fashion, and then that would sort of trickle down into just be a sales for the brand that just in sort of play out over his time that it wasn't selling. Well. Profits decreased. And it's just an interesting thing because I think in fashion in recent years, as this thing where people think you hire a superstar designer give them full control over the Broncos rough is doing everything who's doing all the store during every men's women's collection accessories. This thing that went now seeing selene with Eddie Sloman, we sent at Gucci with Assange, Kelly, good sheets, work spectacularly. But I think he's something of a cautionary tale where it hasn't done that. And he was Pabst too cool for what the brand is. It's under web brand is spread and bottle and from the basics Jamie to the window dressing. Let's talk about your and never other elaborate pre full menswear show in Tokyo at the end of last year. So if we've got up basics from Calvin Klein seeming, that's where you buy them. We've got to think about how fashion is kind of showcased how the window dressing is done. And how excitement is generated did deal. Do something that other fashion brands, do you think would like to tap into that show? Yes. This is an interesting talk about when we looked the year head on the years. Head for what will happen with menswear shows because something unprecedented in that they held pre full menswear runway show. Stay did in Tokyo the collection. Now, pre full crews shows these kind of into seasonal shows something about women's has done for the last fifteen years and these into seasonal lines hugely profitable for brands some menswear brands, do it. But I don't do shows. They would maybe to a small presentation. The is this kind of death now for the traditional season for two shows here, we moved into having four shows a year and people's accessory lines becoming a big part of that business, but all, you know, pre full or pre cruise or even something in between that going to be the next big thing that kind of fracturing petitional calendar, I mean implements where west saying that spring summer autumn into the to coax as I mean, I still Ron less to have big shows. I think generally that in the coming years, we'll be fracturing because I think especially be actually Brown's with money. Money in order to make more of an impact. They want to go off the calendar. They want to show in LA or in Shanghai somewhere different where they can feel up people social media fades have different images. They stand out. They're not crammed into a regular calendar in Paris or something. So I think it's somebody will say more and more whether the actual traditional fashion weeks, pay her out. I'm not sure if that's not gonna put your reputation on the line just yet. I think what men's brands do. This thing is that would just be even more focus given to luxury brands because they're the ones that have the money stood this thing and lost. But not lease. You know, we're talking about deal kind of jumping the gun little bit getting out of the stable quickly to show off an elaborate collection, you refuse to put your reputation on the line. I'm very angry about who trying coke sold. My guests into saying something that regret, but. Yeah. We've still got time. But I'm looking at Paris men's fashion week, which is someone who's kind of unacquainted with the industry, and that's me of the two of us. It always seemed to have rather a strong reputation. And I believe that you agree with me Paris men's has gone from strength strength. Yeah. I mean, what we're saying in the men's industry is Paris keeps getting stronger answered of swallowing up all the big name brands and blunts just finished blunt amends. Unfortunately, keeps losing names and just sort of keeps getting smaller. London's finished you heard it here. First milan. It has its marquee nines. It's too has Prada, but generally power is just so much stronger than the others. And I think this is even stronger. I mean, fewer of the show is that sort of be getting a lot of attention Selena's closing the show. This is of the Orissa man his debut, which was during women's wear loss at Temba was hugely provocative had everyone up in arms. He's a master at sort of causing controller see and getting. A master marketer. That's at eight PM on the Sunday nights, the loss show and Jonathan Addison's. He's the way that he says has only my job, you Anderson. He's left London where he normally shows British his London to show in power to this just there is talk about whether increasingly whether seem buys interest to go to the others or whether they should just go to powers a lot of press. Would you leave Milan early? Do you bother with some of the others and in the interest of balance and probably have a little time away from the office. Jamie walters. We'll be in Florence full pity way you'll be going to Milan, and we'll also be reporting from Paris fashion week across the monocle twenty four schedule Jamie, water, Monaco's fashion, editor, thank you very much. Next up. We head to Indonesia wet shot who is a young architecture practice run by partners Delana, sir. When oughta and fluorine hens woman while the firm's output is varied they've been spotlighted on the international design map for the work. They've done to revitalize the Indonesian city of Bandung in collaboration with the metropolises architect turned star read one coming you with design vibrant, public spaces in Bandon already. A success Shahu has turned its attention to a self initiated project around creating public micro, libraries water. They you ask. Well, the pair joined Monaco's design editor Nolan Giles to turn the page and tell him just little more in a way. There are many architecture offices starting in depend free of Jakarta called thorough, and they teamed up and mate exhibitions open offices. And so on as well in Bundu. Do there is a new vibe of young architects, be more active in your organization, and they bring in different communities together to arrange talks exchanges and exhibition. So I think divide is really amazing. And it's growing I would say and terms of architecture. That's happening there. I'm guessing there's a lot that people in other parts of the world can learn obviously have quite a unique climate there. But also, you have these massive growing cities you having to do things on a certain budget. What can the rest of the world or maybe just the region a little bit more broadly learned from architecture? That's happening in Indonesia at the moment. Well in your nation's ladies are recently making new public spaces and is public spaces are being produced right now not in the past. And these spaces will then take on the user's needs and desires, and this would be done different types of public spaces than ever created. In the past series like in London in Perez that there will be different kind of typology. I would say, and what is really nice is. That recently some of the people in the top government are open to include Indonesian architects to take part in building this public spaces. So there is a lot of promise. Head and different. Take on how to intercut tradition into contemporary architecture topicality, one of the other main commissions that you guys have had is to design a series of micro libraries across bonding. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Brief the thing with the micro libraries is actually was more of a self initiated project. So we had the chance to talk with one of the directors of Dover, which is charity organization from Indonesia and restarted the project or the first one of them, but to quite a while to could find a side, and then it happened. To be in bundled. I saw it, and it's the first micro library and then from that on could start building different ones and partly. In bundling Padre ozo- one is in a Goro. So is not only bundling base. Not only one person based of course, again with communism. Great supporter, but they're different interested parties. There's well. So now, we have a critical mass of of Michael libraries, and we'll see how this from from that moment on can build up even more and Diana in times of micro libraries tells about some of the constraints. I'm guessing, you know, this probably a limited budget. But also you're trying to maximize the space for the people. What have been the challenges of designing and building these? Yes. So it's a self initiated project. Lauren mentioned and mechanism of every micro library is that it's fits with the budget of ac- as are of a company with give so it would fit perfectly and especially in. Asia where that amount of money. The company would allocate would be enough to build a beautiful small library. So we find a stakeholders, we find funder the city need to cooperate with us in terms of giving the lend, and we are in between arranging everything designing it and making sure that things are happening with different collaborators, and so on so many challenges depending on which side, we're designing micro library was it so important to be really focused on these micro libraries. I think it's time at architects take a different role than just waiting for briefs to be written and designed for debrief. But also to take a stand and become one of the stakeholders and in way project initiator there is a different take on the project itself, not as someone being told to design but to initiated an arrange everything. Else? And this would then result in us having an amount of freedom to design, and it is very important as an architect to be able to exercise and explore different materials different forms, different way of programming it and be able to communicate it at the same level as the owner of the project and the funder. So that's what's very interesting for us to do this micro libraries as well. And Florida in terms of the microbrews understand there's a full that's just being completed. Donald talking about the materials and having that little bit of freedom to be a little bit creative and playful with the design could you have unpack the design of this fourth marker library, the full one which is currently or which is almost completed his in Bubba consi- in bundle to the call. It the hanging gardens Michael Rb. So what we learn from the first one, let's say from the Dima one is that we want or need to create edit value. So we need to pick a place which is already frequented by people and at functionality which happened maybe sort of in the beginning sort of intuitively in the last one we're building we really made it very explicit. So basically, it's a library which is integrated in a big planter stare, which is swirling up or going around a public place, and we will involve gardening or a urban farming community that they can. Grow plants there. So the whole idea is how to activate the whole neighborhood. So we have a lamented school next to it. So maybe there could be a piece of of school garden because we learned from the other library that some schools don't have library. So this anti kids over we made a slide there to learn the kids in. To play fully read books. And so, yeah, we would like to give more program and more functionality other than the library to certain location to really attract a lot of people to make lively to build up community. So really the base point is to make it work is a active community and just finally for other developing cities in southeast Asia or even further afield. What would you say the key takeaways from the success stories in Bandung are because a lot of it was done after they were existing problems in the city, and it's kind of reverse engineering and away. Welcome other cities that have similar problems learn. Yeah, I think the perfect Asian ary leader is really the key to any men we've seen it from Eddie Adama Ridwan Kamil being some of the very inspiring leaders, and they would work with some of the best architects tackling very clear problems, for example, just take one topic. And there are many things to do about it. So a pilot project. Acts which are feasible to do within three four five years. That's the key twenty mayor in the world. But also, not forget the long term planning afterwards. Annette's very often forgotten with leaders who are being elected only for five year office, and that's really really nice as refer sustainable, planning of the whole city to think about the future. After what happens after five years that was Delana Suryawan outta and fluorine Handelman speaking Monica's design, editor known Giles. Saudi. That's all the time. We have on this week's show to forget. If you need a little more design minded inspiration. You can subscribe to this show or a brilliantly named sister podcast monocle design Xtra which is valuable each Thursday. You could pick up a copy of the latest issue of monocle magazine, the full cost the February issue or one of winter weekly newspaper has older Venable on old self respecting news towns or from Monaco dot com. Monocle designed was produced by Daphne county edited by EPA patient Christie Evans on Josh Bennett. Thank you very much for listening and goodbye.

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You know which is why you're losing me head so. This Zach I haven't seen you. Since we used to work in the office together, but I can I can just channel you in my head. That's correct. The memory of the before times is so strong, so imprinted brain that confused about. Back to. You used, and then you don't really understand. Bam exclamations perfect. This is like when they give you a blazer after you host five episodes of Saturday night, live. You sound kind of weird. Though can we just like? Have you sound normal? I can just join you on the couch if you want Nice. lemieux the TV for a second year. So how me work through this and business, the president is right now blaming Antiga for the vandalism and returning the peaceful protests against police brutality less peaceful like it's all on Antifa in his is. Is that right? That is correct. It's possible they've done some of it. It's plausible that they've done some of it, but there's no hard evidence to suggest that that's actually what's happening. What is Antifa again like do they have a website or a newsletter that I can read? No, they don't and understanding what Antifa is requires going back to the nineteen thirties. Because, that's where the idea came from so the first iteration of what we now call Antifa was the organization called Anti Fascist Action I'm pronouncing an English accent because I'm going to butcher the German or at least. Mental projection would Sean Yeah. You're urban is not very good nine. This is just a testament to your mental limitations. This organization was designed to be a street level counterpart to the Nazi organizations that were dominating street brawls at the time in late March Germany. and they became an inspiration. To vote of different other groups who wanted to oppose the rise of fascism and far right movements in the West the basic idea was that if you had been able to more aggressively confront the Nazis on the street, and to use force to prevent them from showing up in public, maybe they wouldn't have been able to rise as powerfully and prominently in German politics in. In the nineteen thirties as they did, where else so you saw this a lot in the particular gross of it starting in Europe and in the United Kingdom in the seventies and eighties so Germany and the UK I'd say would be the the key places where the started, and it started in centered around the punk movement. The punk movement Yeah Yeah The punk music movement. Like anarchy and the UK exactly like that exactly like the sex pistols. and. He is designed essentially as one scholar I read, put it as a kind of inner kissed alternative to the police to get out the fascists right, so you're at a punk show and you need to get rid of Neo Nazis. You don't want them there, you don't you think endanger the people who are participating? You think they're spreading bad ideas in your left-wing spaces and you WanNa call the cops because you hate the cops. And so, what do you do you have? have. These group of individuals who are willing to beat up the neo Nazis or forcibly throw them out so the kind of direct action that is willing to use, and they have a variety of different tactics that they do. They're not just about fighting people, but that is a key part of what they call preemptive self defense. You need to beat up the Nazis before they can get a position where they have enough power and enough adherence to beat you up. Preemptive self defense. Is that just like? Could that just be pro aggression? You know the question of whether that's justifiable in the terms that you're asking. It's actually quite complicated. Right because a Lotta times when they would fight and engage in brawls with these people. They weren't actually being violent. That is to say the far right movement. They were just they're trying to be at the punk show or trying to talk to people about their ideas, and so depending on how you understand the nature of these far right movements. You could say well. They're just beating up. People who are talking that seems ridiculous. That's that's obviously just a way of getting out aggression and feeling good about it because you're beating up people that you don't like. The other way to spin it is you know the more neo Nazis that are on the more openly can act the more unsafe. Our spaces become for minorities for Jews for LGBT individuals, and if we want to make this a safe, an open inclusive space for all different kinds of people, the people who want. To hurt vulnerable groups, they gotta go, and we gotTA. Do whatever we can get them out. So. How does this go from a sort of anti? Nazi thing in the nineteen thirties to a punk thing in the UK in the eighties to to what we see, the president constantly bashing now in twenty twenty. Starting around the League two thousand twenty tens. American started to embrace the ANTIFA. As just an abbreviation for anti fascist action or anti-fascist, and it became this kind of diffuse movement that you saw in different places around the country. There's no central organization there are. There is one network kind of tries to connect them to each other, but it's not. There's no command and control structure. This just a bunch of people who understand themselves to be part of this movement. Ourselves is engaging in self defense from groups who want to do our community harm whose ideology is the ideology of genocide and mass murder. It's unclear how many there are. There are hubs in certain places like Portland where they're more popular, but on the whole, just a bunch of people who describe themselves as as in Tika and were initially. Or involved in the punk scene, but it's sort of grew beyond that, and then you get the rise of the outright and Donald Trump in two thousand fifteen, and that's the key. Factor in transforming the way we understand socially from A. Totally French Movement to something that people. Actually know about who aren't involved in these. Sort of sub cultural space us to this is during the trump campaign. Yeah, because you started to see an active alright presence publicly if people like Richard, Spencer the famous quote. Unquote Dapper White, supremacist who got these semi friendly appearances in mainstream media and got to go on television and stuff like that. To be white is to be a striper, crusader and explorer and conqueror we build. We produce. We go upward, and we recognize the central lie. Of American race relations. We don't exploit other groups we we don't gain anything from their presence. They need us and not the other way around you see that, and if your teeth right again, remember that whole idea is that you needed to stop the Nazis with force I before they could build up. Legitimate sources of power become part of the political system, so they see that and they're like Oh my God. We got to do something about this, and they start organizing and turning out to contest public spaces where people like Richard Spencer showing up. And then when trump wins the election. So many people are scared, hurt angry, confused and concerned about a descent of the United States into outright fascism. you start seeing an increase in individual interest in the ANTIFA movement and that all. Comes to head and inauguration when an unidentified MTPA member. Punches Richard Spencer the white supremacists in the face. Pep as become kind of a simple. Remember that. was that that video that you always see? It's been slowed down and everything. Yeah, and and put over music to a lot of different totally. And you saw mainstream figures being like this is kind of awesome like maybe you should punch the Nazis and that kind of mainstream, legitimacy and recognition. Took Antifa from something that just was totally on the fringes to something that more and more people knew about, but the thing I wonder about is. Is that just a guy punching a Nazi because? Nazis. Aren't that popular or was it a guy who feels that? He is a member of a organized group called Antiga punching a Nazi. Getting into tricky definitional territory year, but like basically the way that we should think about this is that it's kind of both there are a lot of people who can understand and see themselves as being ANTIFA. Who are operating in any individual space, but who aren't you know? Formally identified part of a movement or acting on its orders doesn't really work that way, right? You put on a mask and you say I'm Antifa than your are kind of Antifa person if you are somebody who's involved in your local Antifa for example, rose city, anti Portland than you know your your your operating within a kind of institutional structure, but you're not going around punching Richard Spencer on orders from somebody else. It's not like there's an ANTIFA commander sitting in a bunker being like we've identified Richard Spencer. Go or we have a goal Warburg. Like that it's just random. People being on the street, trying to act in a way that they think is consistent with our values. which brings us back to the idea that it's hard to define ANTIFA? I mean they're like the the quote. UNQUOTE DISTINCTIVE MTPA. Look that you sometimes see is more generally look associated with blacklock anarchist demonstrators who are who are different right? You know the sort of all black dress the face masks. then. That's a very particular kind of anarchist demonstration tactic. That's not. Necessarily employed by ANTIFA he can get into this very technical definitional thing. We've got people dressed in all black. You know abandon over their face, breaking windows at a starbucks or whatever? And people are like that's ANTIFA and will yet. It could be Antifa but it also could be somebody who is not part of an antique organization doesn't see them as such, but is engaged in a similar kind of protest and demonstration. That might mark them as as sharing similar ideology even if they are not. Technically or in terms of self, identification and Antifa Person I. It's it's quite complicated. I, really want to entangle. This a little bit more, but I need to make a quick pitstop I know you're in my subconscious, but can you like hang out here on the couch and I'll be right back. No go with you. 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That's the number four SAF CBD DOT ORG paid for by the National Consumers League. Look at in. This is the time we looked toward leader. We want this to stop Zachary's still there. Yep, I am I'm here now. Your brain has been turned back on. Ready to answer your questions about all the Fox News even. President trump has vowed to take action and designate Antifa as a terrorist organization data. Set on the news that the president's GonNa designate mtpa a terrorist organization. Is that a thing he can do? No, that's stupid. You can't do that the reason why is the president has the power to designate? Foreign Terrorist Organizations as terrorist groups. That's what he is legally in statutorily empowered to do, and he says not a foreign terrorist organization, even though it started in Germany in the nineteen thirties. Well because it's not an organization like that, it's not like there's Antifa compound and Berlin where they're sending out orders to America. It's entirely a bunch of people here who are aren't even operating under a direct order or command and control structure, which is the other problem with it when it's al Qaeda or Isis you can be like well. Yeah, there's organization here that we can declare terrorist organization. But when it comes to Thika. There's no structure that one could sanction like that. Doesn't even make sense to speak of them. As being any sort of unified organization called Kief there are just different ANTIFA branches and individuals who see themselves as participating in it, so it's it's not foreign in the way that it operates because it's entirely decentralized and domestic when the FBI has investigated domestic terrorism, cases and organizations. They tend to apply organized crime model. So. If you're going into like a white nationalist group, like the KKK yeah like the K. or more violent one, let's say like the base and Adam woven which are to new and recent, extremely murderous When the FBI look at groups like this, they approached them like they're approaching the mafia because there isn't exactly a legal framework for purely. Domestic. Terrorist groups right in the legal tools that one might need to deal with this kind of thing are encapsulated in the powers available for dealing with or is crime. It's the same thing right. You've got an organized group of people who are conspiring to commit a pattern or series of violence and dangerous actions inside the US and so. If even if They're different structural. You don't need different legal powers. To address them, so there's no kind of domestic terrorist designation for that reason, so you're saying just to be clear here that the president can't even designate this group. A terrorist organization that's not even within the realm of of his power. I mean he can do whatever he wants. He can tweet. ANTIFA is a terrorist organization or knowing Tropico, De anti terrorist organization, exclamation points, but he. Can't do anything beyond. There's no formal legal structure though to allow him to be like now, Antifa terrorists and the police should arrest them. So why is he going after ANTIFA? Well that's because for the past few years and Tika has become a kind of wing. Boogeyman, it started with that Richard Spencer thing that we were talking about early on at trump's inauguration, punching a very famous white nationalist, but escalated after Charlotte's. In Charlottesville Virginia a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence and chaos, the images just coming in a car, plowing into a crowd of demonstrators victims. In, the air, one woman, dead others critically wounded so during the Charlottesville protests, white nationalist rally violence et CETERA. There is a pretty significant and teeth of protest, because this is of course, the type of event that they would go to based on the way they understand themselves and their They had a very interesting role on the one hand. There's footage and their. Of people saying ANTIFA organizers and members were defending. Protesters from violent white nationalists, but I've also seen video of a very right wing journalist Andy no and Portland's who was known to hate Antifa to try to provoke them, and so on went to a rally and he got beat up. No police at all seemingly by ANTIFA people in the middle of the street and he stole my Gopro. Covered May. Meeting and he hates being films. They don't want anyone to identify them. They want to operate anonymously. And so they see journalists who were filming them as a threat to their anonymity and ability to function in a regular lives, and this violence became really important ideologically for the American right, because it allowed you to say not that there were many fine people on both sides, but rather there are many violent people on both sides. That it's not just the extreme right that's become violent and dangerous in the trump era. It's also the extreme left. It allows you to paint a degree of equivalents between these two sides, and so you have right-wing a you know major legislators and politicians condemning. Grows today is calling for a federal investigation. After protests turned violent in Portland Oregon over the weekend and Ted Cruz at the time, try to introduce legislation that would count Antifa as a terrorist organization. Now you could do that legislatively it just. There weren't enough votes to do it, and it doesn't really make sense, but the point is that this is not a new trump thing. It's something that has been a major focus of Fox News and Conservative legislators for very long time in an effort to say that the growing militancy in the United States is not at all one sided, but rather a violent left that needs to be dealt with. It seems SORTA dangerous to take this particular moment. And say Oh. That's just a bunch of Antiga like not only dismissive. But potentially risky. Have we seen any manifestations of how dangerous it can be to just pin this entire thing on something called ANTIFA. I mean you see it? In the president's rhetoric to a degree, right the way that he talks about the protests, he focuses primarily on the property damage and the violence that we've seen and uses it to paints Antifa as being responsible for what's happening in the United States right now. The violence and vandalism is being led by ANTIFA and other radical left-wing groups who are terrorizing the innocent. Jobs. Hurting businesses and burning down buildings in reality. What's happening is that there are overwhelmingly peaceful protests. That have violent members inside of them. Do not define what's happening and that the the violent AMEX are escalated by police who use disproportionate often entirely unjustified shows a force against protesters. WHO's objectives? They find threatening, so it allows you to paint this. As a clash between two violent factions, the police are defending law and order ANTIGA WHO's trying to tear it apart when what's actually happening is that there's a large group of people who are calling for justice primarily and and an end to discrimination. WHO HAVE SOME AGITATORS? Their ranks and instead of being able to just deal with the agitators arrest, somebody who throws a break or something like that the police are more justified in using broad-brush tactics like firing rubber bullets, indiscriminately teargassing an order to disperse crowds on grounds at the crowd itself as violent. The nature of it is violent. You can't draw a straight line between. Calling this an anti demonstration and a police crackdown, but you can see how the ideology that connection helps legitimize what the cops are doing, even when it's quite clearly on justifiable and beyond that Zach I mean is this just like a straw man for the president and the right wing media just avoid dealing with the actual issue at hand here which is. A whole lot of Americans clamoring for racial justice right now. Yeah, it's it's not even a Straw man, right? It's more of a Boogeyman, right? You gotTA. You gotta put the Big Monster, so you can defeat it and claim victory. You're defending the public from this. There was never any chance that President Donald Trump was going to say okay. There are a bunch of black people out here. Protesting for racial justice I'm going to side with the protesters, or that was just not what's going to happen white people to? It's like the United. Colors of angry America right now. So you're going to go with angry Benetton or like fiery. Todd is let's talk to clothing company I know, but why Benetton. What is that? Is that a place? Since I'm your brain I really know this is where we fall short. As you were afraid. To tell a story right in order to justify your behaviors both to yourself and to the public and the story that you're telling here. Is that they are violent rioters Hundi to be put down with force, and if you can say well, this violence is primarily being driven by an organized group that sounds a lot scarier, and it sounds like something that after years of the war on terrorism in American minds justifies a more violent response. It's a more sellable in salient narrative Zach. Thank you for hanging out with me on my couch and helping me work through this I'm I'm your captive Sean I can't really do anything else, but I'm I'm happy to be here. Genie, you're free could PA.

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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst followed over. The navy seal controversy is costing the Navy secretary his job. The Pentagon gone says Defense Secretary Mark S for made the decision to fire Richard Spencer after losing confidence in him over the handling of the case of Navy Seal Edward. Gallagher accused accused of warcrimes in two thousand seventeen in Iraq. He was acquitted of those charges but convicted of posing with the corpse of a captive. The Navy Reduce Gallagher's rank over the case but President President trump then ordered that he be returned to his rank. NPR's Tom Bowman has more in net set in motion the navy deciding to move forward and convene convene aboard that would remove his trident pin. He's a navy seal and coveted. Pin is worn by navy seal so that has a backdrop of of all this and tonight. I'm told by a senior defense official familiar with the case at Navy secretary. Richard Spencer wrote a letter to the president tonight saying quote I hereby. Oh boy acknowledged my termination. NPR's Tom Bowman trump tweeted. Today the gallagher will retain his status as a seal and said he would nominate ambassador to Norway away. Ken Braithwaite as Navy secretary in Cairo. Security forces raided the offices of one of the last remaining independent Egyptian media organizations. NPR's Jane Arraf has more the news outlet. Mademoiselle says plainclothes security people raided. Its offices in Cairo holding staff inside without phone contact or access access to lawyers for more than three hours. A mademoiselle journalists tells NPR the security people went through phones and laptops. Before taking away three staff members they were later released along with a Matama editor who was taken from his home earlier this week. The journalists said the news outlet would continue to operate Mademoiselle's website website is one of hundreds of new sites blocked by the Egyptian government but it still does investigative journalism under President Abdel Fattah. SISI Egypt strong strong. US ally has become one of the most repressive countries in the region Jane Arraf NPR news. In the Kurdistan region Iraq Ridge prosecutors filed new charges in connection with the deaths of thirty nine people from Vietnam their bodies were discovered in the back of a refrigerated truck in southern England. A month ago. Vicki Barker has more from London even British prosecutors have charged a twenty three year old Northern Ireland man with people trafficking and immigration offenses. Two other suspects are facing thirty. Nine nine counts of manslaughter. Two suspects in Vietnam have been charged with people-trafficking. They're all thirty. Nine victims have now been identified. They included included eight women and three teenage boys Vicki Barker reporting from London Asia markets are trading higher at this hour. The Nikkei eighth the main market in Japan is up about three quarters of a percent. The Asia Dow is up about four tenths of a percent. You're listening to. NPR News the government of Congo is hoping a new national museum just inaugurated Incan. Sasha will soon get artifacts back from European countries that looted them during in colonial times but as Teri Schultz reports the process of restitution as likely to be slow and uncertain punks President Felix Schick a Sadie opened the new museum. After for almost three years of construction the twenty one million dollar price tag was covered by the South Korean government which is also training Congolese experts to manage the institution chicken sadie. He says his government is seeking the return of its cultural heritage in an organized way mentioning from Belgium in particular Brussels reopened. Its Own africa-museum. Last year after a five view renovation that included an effort to reform the colonial way of thinking about former territories including Congo which it ruled from nineteen. Oh eight to nineteen sixty. The director of the Belgian Museum says he's open to repatriation requests. But stresses not all of the one hundred eighty thousand items there. Most of which are from Congo were acquired illegally for NPR news news. I'm Teri Schultz in Brussels at the weekend box office Disney's frozen to took the top spot with a one hundred thirty million dollar debut. The sequel kicked off off above expectations and said member record for an animated film. Also stances the biggest opening ever for Disney animation overseas. The film made three hundred fifty million dollars dollars in second place Ford versus Ferrari with sixteen million in. Its second weekend in third place. Tom Hanks Beautiful Day in the neighborhood. A biographical drama on the beloved children's T._V.. Personality Fred Rogers opening with thirteen million dollars that film quest reported twenty five million to make this is n._p._R..

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