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"richard sokoll" Discussed on Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

12:21 min | 1 year ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

"Then. I'm very very cool about it like stallone. I worked with him two weeks. We're at the last. Go sly cool at that point. You call me pippi longstocking because i had at least that's what my face on the c._g._i. So he said i hear pippi. What are you doing doing. I'm like hey we saw my ramble lunch box. You get a rambling bucks got you. How old are you forty six years old you gotta reimbursable lunch and he signed it and had a thermos in and he couldn't believe it but then you have it before or did you know you got it. You've found ebay. I swear i had the ramble lunchbox and i'm like oh my god. I'm going to have the ramble lunch but was that on guardians guardians james gunn may be the most famous friend now do you ever i think we can talk about this because james wallis and he's one of my best friends as well. Do you think you ever like killed it for him and scooby doo. What does he put me in guardians. I know i killed it for him. In school i mean the guy tried edition for guardian. I guess for the for prats you know he was brilliant. Uh i'm just saying i went to. I did tasers face. Oh and i was like chris. Elvin was and i i was like and i saw him the night that same night. He had a party that the same day audition and he came up to. He's like oh my god. You're good. Thank god so as good so i was in the running but i didn't get all right so yeah. He loves you and i love him. I love him and often enough but i want but look. There's no doubt like semi twitter recently. What is the what role do you want and i was like whatever movie james guns doing realizes yeah because i i because i i love him. I don't know i do too. Some people go dude. He's doing guardians. Why don't you ask you don't ask he's my one of my best friends if he wants to put me in something. He'll turn give me. He knows he knows his job. Snail internally grateful for it but that's but that's the thing is you go back to and you're in it. I was in the idea of going back to like. It's heart heart. I mean you want to be number one on the call sheet you want that job and it's like even your good friend. You're not working for. I mean that's the thing that's crazy to me. I mean i i look at the producers. This could be due at mike. You guys have made like richard sokoll and chuck grove and you guys have made a lot of really big movies. There's not a part you know. There's there's no way that i can i can i come in and audition like can i at least fight for the job. Dude i listen the reality. Is i look. We've all worked. I remember i did urban legend right after screaming people. Call it a scream rip off but you know i enjoyed it. I loved it. I thought it was fun. Movie and all those huge producers neil merritt sir. He came up to me one day and goes. You're the next tom hanks of course. I knew i was not the next tom hanks. Nobody could be the next. Tom hanks but i loved it. I was young league room like fuck yeah never heard from this guy but he does all these big giant movies that make billions of dollars. He couldn't have said hey rosenbaum becoming and give ten lines signs in one scene and crush it now one call i could tell you this is about the one guy that does it. James gunn put me in the movie and my buddy dax shepard bird dax shepard every movie. He's made he's on rosie. I got a real for you. Rosie got this for it's like when you think of working with your friends is the best time. How many times do i hear yeah. You're good friends with jason reitman r. m. mike i am. I love jason. Why hasn't he put you anything. I'm like maybe i'm not right for the five hundred roles. Maybe i'm not good now. He auditioned for something in up in the air and i was not good. I was not good in the audition seriously. I don't know i just kind of winged it. I don't i sometimes uh-huh self destructive it is i don't wanna put here's the thing i don't wanna put so much. <hes> although i'm doing it right now he sends you put so much work into something then you don't get it. It's like fuck. I just felt like i just worked for two weeks for something that i didn't even get you know that is you know but but i go. I know sounds like yeah. I know now. The idea is that it's two weeks. At least you're working on something two weeks a purpose network arc. That's that you're collecting all the collect hours if you believe in ten thousand hours you like oh dude. I'm just collecting hours lillard yeah. The light just went off. I now understand exactly what you're fucking talking about. You're saying that that two weeks of me busting my ass is fulfilling and it's like i just about result to give me a hot do here this tyler. This is really good advice this. This is like tyler when you leave here and you're edit that shitty podcast. What do you do with the rest of the day. Go the coffee bean. Why don't you fucking party so i mean life bastard. I think i think it's a universal thing for like millennials right now to put so much stake stake in work and to put so much worse than how much you work. You know there was a time where i was working like one or two days a week and i was like how do i get that to five. How do i what why i mean i super hard and i do think that there's a lot of people out there who are doing work with the express purpose of a result that is going to further them right. My argument is that if you're living the life of a craftsman that it's actually just doing the work is the point that is not the shoe you turn out that's important. It's the lifetime shoes instead of your out to have a better work ethic. I think i don't know i don't i don't know about. I don't know you're you're here doing in this. I mean this is a workout that guy. I really worked hard. I'm going on this edition first time in a while that i it was something i really liked and i've put some time into it. Let's have put some time. I'm into it because i think it's really good and i think that's another thing if you're like excited about something because you think it has potential and it's good but like for me sometimes when i'm like i get sort of what's the word i don't know. I don't know if it's bored or <hes> just lack of interest epithet apathetic but i'm like oh. It's another one of these. They want me to play this guy the same guy that i have have done before or they want me to do this or not interested. There's this one with a huge director huge writer oscar award winner that they wanted me to read for and i didn't say no. I think the guy is brilliant. I think the whole thing's brilliant. It's just not what i want to. I don't want to just say oh. I'm working with an academy hatemi award winner or i'm working with. That's i mean i do too but i don't want to do something because it's everyone's perception of me of if i do it. They'll go oh he's working with. I just didn't particularly like with what it was. I just didn't like it yeah. The question isn't what you what do you like. I like you. I like tyler tyler. I like i mean that's the thing is like so. I'm saying is that finding something that turns you on and chance what it is deals like you have to find line returns. You want and just chase. It and it's going to end up where it's gonna end up but it's the it's the hunt that is super rewarding life. This is rewarding to me i after after an hour ago wow i really liked got him so full of life so many great stories to tell. I haven't told any stories have i haven't really aren't you glad we really didn't talk talk about like all the stuff that people always ask you about yeah. We really didn't did we are we done. I'm not done. I'm just saying like for instance okay. You have the three children so many. Are you emotional. Are you do you do you show your emotions like my dad. Never cried dead. Never told me love me. My dad poor me. I'm not saying and then i'm just saying my dad was one of those tough guys mowed the lawn with without a grass catcher rocks and dog shit are flying in his face. He didn't care and have you. Have you told that story. That's how you describe your dad often now. That was the first time i every said that. That is an amazing. I wrote a pile that i sold the fox years ago. Oh and that was the description of my father was the last time so are you so you have you taken that stoic nature in your life. I mean yeah. I think think i'm i'm gonna blow smoke up my ass. 'cause i have a lot of fucking insecurities and weaknesses but i definitely am. I giving loving there for you when you need me person as i am also very steal the spotlight kind of fucking center of attention and can be annoying as shit can be all those things but i know now that i'm actually have a really big heart always available so you only child no. I'm kind of in the middle. My mom had two kids and divorce married my dad when he was eighteen had me so the middle then my brother then my dad. They got divorced and he had two more kids but it's kind of all over the place but they don't talk but anyway. Are you emotionally the kids. Do you see anything that you cry. Why in your kids see you cry ever. Is that why you're not in a long term partnership. Why do you think because you're i mean the the the modeling modelling of partnership that your dad had and sort of its result on you. I mean you're a caring person and you have the sense of depth aw gat. You're saying yeah yeah odd to me that you're not in a partnership. I mean not that. I'm judging it. I'm just curious at some point at forty six. He's into forty-six. I'll be forty forty seven so the idea of why am i not in a partnership must be question your life somewhere right. I want to be an apartment. So what do do you see any similarities with any woman with my mother. <hes> run as far as i can. If i see anything where it resembles any kind of <hes> i i don't wanna be you know i'm i'm not judgmental. I just know what's not right for me. I'm a you know. I have a lot of energy kind of guy gets a little moody usually funny and always always a good time. It's fun but i'm very typical and i'm very open about everything. You know. I need someone who's not as the energy i am. I'm sure your wife is probably keeps. You diametrically opposed exactly and that's what i think i need so you know. I'm going on a date tonight. Actually let's get you know l. Her i met her on a dating site and so what i do is i have these things where when i go out i <hes> i have a lunch. If we're taking a chance at like meeting for the first time let's have lunch. Let's have a snack because you might not like me and you can go home in an hour because it's watch if i commit to dinner with you. This could be nightmare. Let's not set up a nightmare. We haven't met unless you wanna facetime for a few times do something to get to see other so that's sort of ammo i like. I think it's better than going on tons of dates. It's like hey. I don't even consider today. It's okay we're too friendly people seeing if we want to have a date later and when you sit down is there pressure to be on no no no. I'm on but you just said that. I'm on a lot that has to be. I'm naturally on i'm now. I'm not trying. I like i'll pretty much say everything. I'm not trying to impress them as much as i am trying to dissuade them. No that's not true. Show you all the bad stuff unless shit with the door open. Sometimes i don't want to miss anything. I am broken. I'm unbroken a lot of places but i need you know but there's one girl she was. You know look again this woman. This girl condescending. I put a forty five forty six yeah. Maybe i don't know who's best. Maybe i don't want to be a lump. I don't want to get married because i don't wanna be alone. No i wanna fall in love. I've been in relationships but i just i don't like quick. Look i have two great dog. She met them wrestle with them on the floor. I love them and i love them. I have a great assistant. It's like a marriage but we're not attracted to each other <hes>. We're just it's it's business and she's cool and you know it's nice to have so much comes over every day and i have friends ends. I have a good life. I have good decent family so what i mean unless it's just something that goes wow. I'm not gonna like just get married to get married guidelines advocate. I know you got lucky yeah super. Is that one you met in europe or is it now yeah..

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

09:47 min | 1 year ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

"Oh no i'm not gonna ask you get your personal but no but the idea like trying to get people in a sit down hard off. Let me say this. The core people that i usually hang out with are not celebrities for the most part. I don't hang out with celebrities. Dax has a family. He's very busy so we try to see judge. We text here and there a love him so i have friendships that were like text. How are you what's going on. Let's get lunch or something sometimes but the core of my friends are i have like a little. It'll band my friend tom of thirty five years. My friend can twenty years. It's the same people in them. I grew up with tom in newburgh indiana china. He lived down the street. He was popular i wasn't he wanted to be my roommate in college you've ever had him on the show. No he really nervous. Maybe shed and see if it comes at turns out right. It'd be kind of fun friend rob who works for marketing for homeless <hes> for homeless people and <hes> you know he's my lead guitarist. I hang out with just a bunch of guys who have real jobs in turkey and by the way i feel more grounded when i'm around them and they keep me grounded. I think you start hanging out with just celebrities and you're all around that just like there's not a lot of what's the word. A depth was even in my lexicon famous friends but let's whose most famous front my most famous friend in most famous brand well. How do you define friend. Somebody that you can call you can text and go hey. Do you want to grab lunch and they're like hey. Let's do it like hang out. I i don't have that. I mean i get seth green a dachshund me say hey let's get together. Those guys are phenomenal right but then like you know i mean i've done the reason clooney if not no you have his number of his need clooney's number thing. You never thought of like sahim advertising yeah well for sure so you ever email so ever do that no dog in while. I haven't seen you to send its oh my god. No i would never do that. He would he would now. I would not not like because he's like. He's in he's someplace. He's famous inglorious in these by here's some a real down to earth guy named matt lillard who lives in pasadena and he's like look dude fuck yeah. I'm tired of hanging out. Tarintino can rich pompous ass people and i want to hang out with lillard ticket. I'll play dungeons and dragons dungeons and dragons. I wanna go to the olive garden garden. Chill out with lillard right. Let's lock down all of all of the garden. It's the same reason i mean i never would never it's just not my life because i do think it goes back to who are you. My life is like i'm the fat kid that idea. Do you like social anxiety my kids both of my kids go through some social anxiety stuff and for a long time i'm like what are you talking about your super personable your i your charming arming shed like and then i was like oh wait. I have swings eighty me and hollywood. Party is like get me out of here me like country party. I'm like oh my god. My skin is is crawling. You put me with a bunch of artists. Put me with a bunch of actors like i couldn't be happier but when you put me outside of my element i just i i can't do it. Freaks me out. I understand that because i had the same i always feel like i don't belong always feel. I hung do you think i i know i make it clear. I'm uncomfortable. I say i like i like look. I feel like i have to be funny. I have to be on or they're not gonna except right and i'm boring and i don't let that's why i had so many arguments with like a representation my manager my agent who were like to go go to this go to the golden globes. I'm like no. I have a movie or tv show. Why would i do go to this party. It's going to be important and no it's not i can't do that. I don't have so. I thought them forever. Somebody who i do podcast i do you know social media for the podcast amick funny videos and stupid shit but like i don't i don't do do the hollywood thing really like you said you walked in. You like oh my god. Why do you have in napoleon's item opposed or why do you have a jerk poster autograph the mike because as a kid that's all i did. I had movies. That's all i had was. I watched movies. That is my life and so now. I'm still that kid in high school when i see wes craven or when he sees you know not anymore anymore. I like that. I'm like oh my god. That's so exciting. I want to get your autograph. I mean i don't say it right then. I'm very very cool about it like stallone. I worked with him two weeks. We're at the last. Go sly cool at that point. You call me pippi longstocking because i had at least that's what my face on the c._g._i. So he said i hear pippi. What are you doing doing. I'm like hey we saw my ramble lunch box. You get a rambling bucks got you. How old are you forty six years old you gotta reimbursable lunch and he signed it and had a thermos in and he couldn't believe it but then you have it before or did you know you got it. You've found ebay. I swear i had the ramble lunchbox and i'm like oh my god. I'm going to have the ramble lunch but was that on guardians guardians james gunn may be the most famous friend now do you ever i think we can talk about this because james wallis and he's one of my best friends as well. Do you think you ever like killed it for him and scooby doo. What does he put me in guardians. I know i killed it for him. In school i mean the guy tried audition for guardian. I guess for the for prats you know he was brilliant. Uh i'm just saying i went to. I did tasers face. Oh and i was like chris. Elvin was and i i was like and i saw him the night that same night. He had a party that the same day audition and he came up to. He's like oh my god. You're good. Thank god so as good so i was in the running but i didn't get all right so yeah. He loves you and i love him. I love him and often enough but i want but look. There's no doubt like semi twitter recently. What is the what role do you want and i was like whatever movie james guns doing realizes yeah because i i because i i love him. I don't know i do too. Some people go dude. He's doing guardians. Why don't you ask you don't ask he's my one of my best friends if he wants to put me in something. He'll turn give me. He knows he knows his job. Snail internally grateful for it but that's but that's the thing is you go back to and you're in it. I was in the idea of going back to like. It's heart heart. I mean you want to be number one on the call sheet you want that job and it's like even your good friend. You're not working for. I mean that's the thing that's crazy to me. I mean i i look at the producers. This could be due at mike. You guys have made like richard sokoll and chuck grove and you guys have made a lot of really big movies. There's not a part you know. There's there's no way that i can i can i come in and audition like can i at least fight for the job. Dude i listen the reality. Is i look. We've all worked. I remember i did urban legend right after screaming people. Call it a scream rip off but you know i enjoyed it. I loved it. I thought it was fun. Movie and all those huge producers neil merritt sir. He came up to me one day and goes. You're the next tom hanks of course. I knew i was not the next tom hanks. Nobody could be the next. Tom hanks but i loved it. I was young league room like fuck yeah never heard from this guy but he does all these big giant movies that make billions of dollars. He couldn't have said hey rosenbaum becoming and give ten lines signs in one scene and crush it now one call i could tell you this is about the one guy that does it. James gunn put me in the movie and my buddy dax shepard bird dax shepard every movie. He's made he's on rosie. I got a real for you. Rosie got this for it's like when you think of working with your friends is the best time. How many times do i hear yeah. You're good friends with jason reitman r. m. mike i am. I love jason. Why hasn't he put you anything. I'm like maybe i'm not right for the five hundred roles. Maybe i'm not good now. He auditioned for something in up in the air and i was not good. I was not good in the audition seriously. I don't know i just kind of winged it. I don't i sometimes uh-huh self destructive it is i don't wanna put here's the thing i don't wanna put so much. <hes> although i'm doing it right now he sends you put so much work into something then you don't get it. It's like fuck. I just felt like i just worked for two weeks for something that i didn't even get you know that is you know but but i go. I know sounds like yeah. I know now. The idea is that it's two weeks. At least you're working on something two weeks a purpose network yard arc. That's that you're collecting all the collect hours if you believe in ten thousand hours you like oh dude. I'm just collecting hours lillard yeah. The light just went off. I now understand exactly what you're fucking talking about. You're saying that that two weeks of me busting my ass is fulfilling and it's like i just about result to give me a hot do here this tyler. This is really good advice this. This is like tyler when you leave here and you're edit that shitty podcast. What do you do with the rest of the day. Go the coffee bean. Why don't you fucking party so i mean life bastard. I think i think it's a universal thing for like millennials right now to put so much stake stake in work and to put so much worse than how much you work. You know there was a time where i was working like one or two days a week and i was like how do i get that to five..

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

10:41 min | 1 year ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes

"Good faith and how much has sales job. This is something I'm I wrestle with to this day because part of the arsenal of techniques really devised by Arthur Sackler, but the others he was dead by the time ox coms introduced, but that others. Used to incredible affect Oxycontin was to create this sort of self licking ice cream cone phenomenon in which you pay a bunch of doctors to essentially give them a boondoggle to go down to Palm Beach and go to a conference at which and other doctor who is on your payroll. We'll give speech presenting research by a team of doctors who are also on your payroll about either pain or your drug, and I think there's no question that pain is an issue is real, and it should be treated the tricky thing with pretty pharma and some of the other companies owned by the Sackler, and this is true really read up to the present. I mean, just to very recent years even in the face of the opioid crisis is the when they're looking to expand internationally, which they've been doing since things kind of plateaued here, they'll go into a country and commission these studies. And so you'll see these studies come out that will say you wanna move you wanna go into Brazil? So the first thing you do is you Commissioner study that finds that forty percent of Brazilians are suffering from. Diagnosed chronic pain, you almost create the problems that that's not to say that you don't have a lot of Brazilians who legitimately have chronic behalf, chronic pain and should get some kind of treatment. But the cynicism with which the business interests, and the and the medical research have kind of intermingled, I think makes it very difficult to parse precisely the question you're asking so they had this drug that promises this benefit. And then they have a extremely savvy marketing operation that kind of comes at the entire medical stablishment sort of three hundred sixty degrees, right? What is the result of those two combined forces? Of you know, reportedly thirty five billion dollars in sales. So they sell a lot of Oxycontin. And it's interesting because the the Sackler family and proof arm, and now will say, oh, you know, we only ever had a small amount of market share look at all these other opioids on the market, but the truth is the conditions precedent. That allowed all of these other companies to thrive and selling opioids been what what started this off was. And there's a paper trail for this. Now that's come out, and litigation was people at Purdue pharma and specific members of the Sackler families saying we really got to change the minds of doctors. Let's be strategic about this. Let's just resource it like crazy. Let's in an army of sales reps out there. Let's commission this research. Let's change people's minds and make it, okay? To prescribe strong. Opioids. You just mentioned litigation. So you wrote this piece back in two thousand seventeen and it was kind of the first treatment. I think that sort of put two and two together of here's his family, the Sackler 's here's this company Purdue pharma, and here's what the role they played in popularizing. The prescription of opioid particularly cotton like these things are linked. But since you wrote that there's a huge new raft of documentary evidence. What is it? What's the litigation and what have we learned now? Yeah. I mean, I should say to give credit words do there were a couple of landmark pieces of work. So Barry Meyer on your time. Reporter now former New York Times reporter wrote about Oxycontin, and this actors for the time he wrote a book called painkiller that came out. Let me fifteen years ago really early on and Sam can Yoenis wrote this book dreamland, which which which I'm sure you've read, but the that's been wanting to get him on the party great book, but the treatment in both of those books, they both talk about the family, but both of those books take a kind of multi-strain. Approach to the story in which you have doctors and addicts and in Kenya's case, you know, street level drug dealers, and the Sackler are one of those strands, and what I wanted to do in the New Yorker to me, the story was the Sackler was I wanted to tell the story of of this family and have them kind of front and center, and I wrote a piece that was a long piece, I think to this day more people read that piece in anything I've ever written for the New Yorker. But interestingly the aspects when I was working on it that we're kind of black box to me. So. They're so little information about the interaction between the family members, and this company that they own and after the piece came out there were already many many lawsuits against Purdue. But you started seeing these new lawsuits against naming the sack individual Sackler 's and one of the most by the attorney general and Massachusetts more Healy, turning general Massachusetts as part of this suit got access to a million pages of internal documents and memoranda and in God, it was January released this stonning court filing this big complaint quoting chapter in verse all these internally mails from Richard sokoll from Jonathan's alad from all these members of the family in which you see them talking about the desire to get the drug out there and have it be a huge success and change doctors minds in which you see them really early on hearing from their own sales reps. God we're having. We're hearing about addiction we're here. But people. Abusing this drug, and they kind of pooh-poohed it and say, these are, you know, these drug addicts, you know, they're not legitimate pain. Patients were out here to look out for the you know, there's no sense on their part of a moment of real alarm, or you know, maybe we should slow down with the marketing here. There's also a suit by the attorney general in New York, which is produced a huge raft of amazing documentation. It's been fascinating for me as somebody who was trying to kind of get a glimmer of the internal dynamics of the family and the company, but I I don't have subpoena power. Right. So there's only so far can go as reporter to see these documents that are going to turn out. I mean, there's something just so wild about the situation, which is that we've pursued this war on drugs for forty years. We have not fundamentally altered despite the millions of people have been sent to prison the billions, and tens of billions of dollars. That's been spent not fundamentally altered the rate of drug addiction in the society. It's essentially in stable, right? We now. Have drug overdoses going up this insane alarming rate, so high in fact, it's contributing to a decline in life expectancy for three years in a row, which is on precedents. Roar one and then sitting atop this, right? Like, there's the image. I grew up with of the drug dealer. The scary drug dealer coded as black inner-city young man crack, right? And that's like the bad guy. That's the cops have to get the evil and nefarious figures like Kate come here like of the peak drug war propaganda, the nineteen eighties. And here's this family that fucking paid for the temple ender. Right. Until very recently. We're getting feted at every opportunity who were basically dealing drugs to all of America. Right. I mean, just when you think about the coding of that like racially and socially, and who what's a crime. And what isn't and who gets criminally accountable who goes to jail, and then you watch John bainer retire as house speaker and go work for the fricking marijuana lobby because like now, it's like, okay. Well, now marijuana's fine. And now like a bunch of white wealthy. People are going to be able to deal marijuana legally. And this is the way it works. I mean, and you know, I mean Eric Holder in private practice worked for proof Armagh Rudy Giuliani worked for Purdue pharma, they today or hiring every white shoe law firm imaginable, and probably it's interesting. There's all these suits against Purdue. And one of the things that the New York lawsuit discovered is that for years now quietly the Sackler have been pulling money out of the company. And moving it offshore and putting it in obscure places. So fascinating the day may come where Purdue ceases to exist. But the Sackler is are are just fine one final question. There's one particular part of that filing that really stuck with me, which was that they describe something they call the pain funnel, and they're they wanna get into addiction treatment. Yeah. So it's like you talked about like a selfless ice cream cone. So it's a sing where it's like. Okay. We'll people have pain we prescribe opioids a certain percentage of those people get addicted and at the bottom, there's a diction treatment. Maybe we can get into the addiction treatment game too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's look I think the tricky thing for me though, right? Is this is this is capitalism? In essence, totally the incentive the incentives are cells, much Oxycontin. It's possible. Yeah. Yeah. I mean in in the case of the Sackler 's it is coming back to get them. There's some social shaming. That's happening there a bunch of museums. Just in recent weeks have said for the first time, you know, we're not gonna take anymore. Your money, but the name I think is going to stay on all the places that already is those are binding contracts. I think it's unlikely you'll see those names removed. And so there is a strange sense in which it kinda worked, right? I mean, the legacy of that name will it'll still be there on the building. Well, it depends on what you have to say about it going forward. You're running a book on this. Right. Is that? Yeah. It's gonna be pretty interesting. All right. When the books out, we'll have you back on the podcast. I love that. All right, petrograd and kief staffer under the New Yorker, his new book is say nothing about the troubles in Ireland in one specific case, we spoke about that. You can check out that conversation, which is fascinating. He also wrote the family that built an empire pain for the New Yorker back in October twenty seventeen and is now writing a new book on opioids and sacrifice. Patrick. Thank you. Thank you. Once again, thanks to patch. Kief particularly thanks for staying extra-long. We get them in the studio for a while. If you're just listening to this episode and having listened to the first with him the ghosts of dirty war about his book say nothing, you should absolutely check that out. It's an incredible conversation and incredible book, we love to hear your feedbacks into us with pottage, Email dot com. Printed us with the hashtag with pod wise happenings, presented by MSNBC NBC news produced by the all in team and features music by Cooper, see more of our work, including links to things we mentioned here like on NBC, news dot com slash wise is happening. Hi, it's Stephanie rule. If you low them NBC where your heart on your sleeve gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from Belgian rule and all of your favourite MSNBC shows at MSNBC store dot com.

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on Diane Rehm: On My Mind

Diane Rehm: On My Mind

08:18 min | 1 year ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on Diane Rehm: On My Mind

"Support for WMU comes from commuter connections. If you ride share to work you are eligible to receive a couple of free rides home each year, guaranteed. Why freak out about getting home in case of illness? Unexpected emergencies or unscheduled overtime. Register or renew today for free at commuter connections dot org or eight hundred seven four five ride commuter connections dot org. Some restrictions apply. And we're back. Here's my conversation with Barry Meyer. He is most raised and book is pain killer and empire of deceit. Now there are lawsuits their lawsuits about three or four years ago. People kind of woke up and said, oh my God. There's an epidemic. They even coined a word. They they're now calling it the, you know, the opioid crisis. They're always was an opioid crisis. But it had to get to this dire point where sixty thousand Americans were dying of overdoses from legal and illegal drugs over the course of a year it had to reach the point of insanity for people to start doing something. And it's tragic that this was not addressed earlier. So. How is Purdue pharma reacting to all the foods? Purdue pharma is reacting much in the same way that it has always reacted one can at minimum give them consistency. As virtue. They admitted in two thousand seven they pled guilty to criminal charges that they had lied to doctors to patients to regulators to everyone about the benefits and risks of Oxycontin. But right up until that point they were claiming they were doing nothing wrong and ever since that point they have claim they have done nothing wrong. What we're seeing right now, I think is a repeat of what happened in tobacco litigation where again, the manufacturer of controversial product was successful for many many years in vending off lawsuits and fending off criticism in hiring the best lawyers. Paying politicians and building a successful defence against public outcry. Now that defense were Purdue in the sack ler families concerned has started to crack and the truth is starting to come out. So what does Sackler and Purdue? Have done. Right. Loan is to blame the. Yes, there's a six star Neri Email. That's come out. That was written by Richard Sackler? Who is the son of Raymond Sackler when it produced farmers founders and Richard sokoll himself, the president of produce pharma during probably the height of abuse of Oxycontin. And you know, he says what we've gotta do is hammer on the abusers. You know, they're the problem there. The fall they created this concept in their head and tried to polyphony rated publicly, you know, that there were two classes of people. There were good people. The patients who are taking these drugs. According to doctor's orders, and the bad people who were the abusers who either live not taking it according to doctor's orders or buying on the street, or whatever the case. But the fact of the matter is that is much as Richard Sackler and. Other members of family might have railed against drug abusers or drug addicts a number of people who took Oxycontin as prescribed by doctor did become dependent or addicted to the drunk about San they their drug companies. Did they get involved with opioids in similar ways? Oh, yes. Purdue pharma is by no means unique here. I mean, they laid the groundwork. They open the door to the expanding use of opioids in medical setting in that kind of triggered this public health crisis that we're in now, but every other drug manufacturer follow them through that door. They sort of the vast amount of money that could be made here, and they jumped in as well, and it was only drug manufacturers. It was companies that act as distributors of dry. Okay. So basically this the drug manufacturer that makes the drug there's drugstore that prescribes you the drug, but then in between them there are these companies that buy the drugs from any factors in distribute them to drugstores in what's come out again through investigative reporting and government investigations is that these distributors were shipping millions of pain pills to areas of the country where drug abuse was rampant knowing full well that this supply of pain pills far exceeded the legitimate need for them in these areas. Tell me about Fenton, no feno is another opioid. It's it's is used in the medical setting to treat pain. It's very powerful opioid can be used again for pro surgical pain. It could be used for cancer pain. But it's medical uses. Typically, are very limited defense and all that your listeners are reading about or seeing television stories about is a counterfeit version of fence. It's basically made in laboratories either in Canada or Mexico from raw materials that are first produced in China and then shipped overseas, and because of the power feno once it gets mixed in with say heroin or other drugs and sold on the street as pills that can it can be pressed in and and you can get sort of phony pills that are being sold to look like regular pain pills. It's such a powerful drug that people who have not been exposed to opioids before even people who are used to taking opioids can quickly overdose in. I from these drugs. So what's happening with these lawsuits? Cut New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Utah who have filed foods against members of the Sackler family where does that leave the human beings who've either lost their lives there is where does that leave them? It's a fascinating question. I am going to be very interested to see how this litigation plays out as you may be aware. There was a recent settlement by the state of Oklahoma against Purdue pharma, others trial coming up there at the end of Megan's to other opioid makers and as part of that settlement produce forma agreed to fund or provide money to fund diction research at a branch of university in Oklahoma. And that's all well and good. That's wonderful. There really can't be enough money made available for addiction research and addiction treatment. But at the same time Michael hunter, oh, I believes the attorney general of Oklahoma. Agreed that all the internal produce forma documents that the state had gathered in preparation for this lawsuit remained sealed

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on The Diane Rehm Show

The Diane Rehm Show

06:00 min | 1 year ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on The Diane Rehm Show

"Hi, coach. I'm here. I hope you enjoying on my mind. And I also hope you checking the Cogil numb de show. We connect the dots between events happening in Washington, Maryland Virginia through conversations with politicians artists. Chefs the list goes on you can listen to our podcast on demand by subscribing on your favorite podcast app. So you never miss an episode. And we're back. Here's my conversation with Barry Meyer. His most recent book is pain killer and empire a deceit. Now there are lawsuits their lawsuits about three or four years ago. People kind of woke up and said, oh my God. There's an epidemic. They even coined a word. They they're now calling it the, you know, the opioid crisis. They're always was an opioid crisis. But it had to get to this dire point where sixty thousand Americans were dying of overdoses from legal and illegal drugs over the course of a year. It had to reach the point of insanity for people to start doing something. And it's tragic that this was not addressed earlier. So how is Purdue pharma reacting to all the foods? Purdue pharma is reacting much in the same way that it has always reacted one can at minimum give them consistency. As virtue. They admitted in two thousand seven they pled guilty to criminal charges that they had lied to doctors to patients to regulators to everyone about the benefits and risks of Oxycontin. But right up until that point they were claiming they were doing nothing wrong and ever since that point they have claim they have done nothing wrong. What we're seeing right now, I think is a repeat of what happened in tobacco litigation where. Again, the manufacturer of controversial product was successful for many many years in vending off lawsuits in fending off criticism in hiring the best lawyers and paying politicians and building a successful defence against public outcry. Now that defense were Purdue in the Sackler family is concerned has started to crack and the truth is starting to come out. So what the Sackler and Purdue? Have done rides alone is to blame the. Yes, there's a star Nouri Email. That's come out. That was written by Richard Sackler? Who is the son of Raymond Sackler one of proof Armas founders and Richard sokoll himself, the president of Purdue pharma during probably the height of abuse of Oxycontin. And you know, he says what we've gotta do is hammer on the abusers. You know, they're the problem there. The fall they created this concept in their head and tried to proliferated publicly. You know that there were two classes of people. There were good people. The patients who are taking these drugs. According to doctor's orders, and the bad people who were the abusers who were either live not taking it according to doctor's orders or buying on the street, or whatever the case. But the fact that the manager is that is much as Richard Sackler and. Other members of family might have railed against drug abusers or drug addicts a number of people who took content as prescribed by doctor did become dependent or addicted to the drunk about the their drug companies. Did they get involved with opioids in similar ways? Oh, yes. Purdue pharma is by no means unique here. I mean, they laid the groundwork. They open the door to the expanding use of opioids in medical setting in that kind of triggered this public health crisis that we're in now, but every other drug manufacturer follow them through that door. They they sort of the vast amount of money that could be made here, and they jumped in as well, and it was only drug manufacturers. It was companies that act as distributors of dry. So basically this the drug manufacturer that makes the drug there's drugstore that prescribes you the drug, but then in between them there are these companies that buy the drugs from manufacturers in distribute them to drugstores, what's come out again through investigative reporting and government investigations is that these distributors were shipping. Millions of pain pills to errors of the country where drug abuse was rampant knowing full well that this supply of pain pills far exceeded the legitimate need for them in these areas. Tell me about Fenton, no feno is another opioid. It's it's is used in the medical setting to treat pain. It's very powerful opioid can be used again for pro surgical pain could be used for cancer pain. But it's medical uses. Typically, are very limited defense, and all that your listeners are reading about or seeing

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on Bravo TV's Daily Dish

Bravo TV's Daily Dish

03:53 min | 2 years ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on Bravo TV's Daily Dish

"So should he just like cater to her and go ahead with it? Or should he she just kind of accept that? Like this us. You know, it's funny because there really is no compromise in that argument unless it's just to get engaged in staying forever. But I feel like once you get that far. Right. Why not going on with the whole thing? So I'm curious to know when Stephen Kelly had that conversation. I'm surprised it wasn't addressed. And you know, Vicki didn't say anything like, well, what are you talking about? You know? So maybe nobody heard her I heard her, and we heard her, and then there's also just talking about Vicki to, you know, there was that sort of like dirty John Tien Lauren from bend Oregon said I just saw the trailer for dirty, John. It seems like it could be based on your relationship with Brooks. Do you see the similarities hundred percent you do good hundred percent podcast? And I was like this could be Vicky. It's totally my daughter Anna, mid that. This guy was a bad guy. And I was like he wants make love with me four times a day. Like, he's filling up my love tank. Like you said beautiful. Orange county. It's on your son is really that on glad you brought that up because I was fascinated. I mean, I had heard before that the key saw a lot of similarities and dirty John and her own life, which how could you not? But I had no idea that she's now going after him in court, she has the receipts. Excel Ralph nobody likes. Excel the Vicki was like, I am documented all of like I am coming through. I mean good for her. You know, it is an and just from what I've seen on social and we had like an AMA with executive producer Richard sokoll today. And you know, a couple of fans were asking, Richard. Do you see the parallels? But right, and he honestly wasn't very familiar with the Vicki Brooke storyline going into it. But he did say that at some point, you know, in production and having conversations with different people at did come up. How similar the story isn't it sort of one of those things where Richard said it can happen to anybody are so many similarities in. Into what happened with Vicky and Brooks, but it really can happen to anyone. I thought it was interesting that some of the wives were like let it go Vicky because I do think that you can as a friend St. another front and be like, you're you're obsessing over this relationship. But it's no longer healthy. You just have to let it go. And I do think she'll end up just spending a lot of money on lawyer's fees. And may not get what she wants. I mean, a part of it feels like maybe it's part of the process for her when they started talking to Gina her divorce. You know, that's obviously been another big storyline. This season. A lot of people online have been talking about it too. I didn't know that the reason we haven't seen Matt so much was because he has he was at risk of losing his job over appearing on the show. Yes, I think I had heard that in little like, maybe she had done it in a couple of small interviews. But yeah, I'm glad that they brought it up at the reunion to clear that up because that makes a big difference. Oh, you couldn't be on this. Show because you would have gotten fired versus where you just not getting along with your wife. Exactly. Well, and plus because he wasn't living there. So it's like not even like he was coming in every other episode because he was in from LA, you know, or something like that. So a lot of people were like already kind of being like, well, we're not surprised Gina's getting divorced husband never around. But it's number one. He wasn't living in at the time. He's living in LA. But you also would have lost his job over it. So I guess that's sort of make sense. And also it just like when they go and talk to Gina like, I feel like it's been so difficult to watch her go through this divorce, not just because divorce is a lot. But because the women can't seem to wrap their brain around. Like why? Right. And I feel like sometimes it just comes down to being in for gene in particular. So simple. It's just that. Like, we just like fell out of love..

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on WPRO 630AM

WPRO 630AM

01:53 min | 2 years ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on WPRO 630AM

"The new ones are going to be and i think what they're gonna do is as you're approaching the rotary it's almost it's almost okay i'm going to tell you what's coming up we'll tell you what's coming up telling you hear it so it's gonna be a re okay i see it i see it again i see it again so by the time you see it the third time you're gonna realize this is what my options are going to say i see what they're going to have little they're gonna have little circles that say okay if you want to go to the ninety five core around this way if you want to go to one seventeen there's a little arrow that go it's more well it's kind of hard to explain obvious yes it's more obvious it's more obvious so it's still quite the project for us rhode islanders so the drivers i talked to i think their biggest complaint is people not knowing how to drive in the rotary i talked to one guy who said i put it in a dash cam on my car because i want to record everything i go through in case i get it now the flip side is that businesses and one of the advertisers here on wpro fine time watch right they are i talked to richard sokoll yeah he said said he couldn't be more pleased because now he said the flows a lot better captains catch which is down right across from the new cumberland farms he said our businesses been here twenty three years some people said i had no idea you're here now because the traffic actually has to slow down to get into those rotaries in the not whizzing through the way they were he said our businesses actually increase now that's good it was tough last fall in october november it was very hard to get through there but now so i mean is it is it a total success story i think it's a work in progress still but it's encouraging to see that it's gone from one hundred and one accidents to thirty six time no serious accidents right you you mentioned gunning it getting in there and getting the i noticed people pull into it and they panic and they freeze and that could be the older breaks right.

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"richard sokoll" Discussed on WPRO 630AM

WPRO 630AM

02:02 min | 2 years ago

"richard sokoll" Discussed on WPRO 630AM

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