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Hitting you harder than a Jerry Cooney left hook. This is at the fights boxing talk at its finest, take it away Kamei. Well, happy Saint Patrick's Day everybody. Jerry. I will use your Saint Patrick's Day you were you were sitting with Josh while he was snoozing away on the plane. He puts his blindfold designing call live. I saw a man, and I couldn't find them first of all confined him. And then I felt he was in disguise this mask over. Wrapped around his neck. I thought oh my God. What is this? But he was sleeping sound so much. So I liked it. I went out on the way home and got one of those next things for myself. Yeah. When we were coming back actually in December from California. He did the same thing with the thing around the neck, you know, the neckbrace thing, and and the I massive sound like a baby, and I let them get to sleep. And then I tapped him as it usually. It's. That was nice. That's ran the you know, you with Mandy having breakfast. And you're looking at a message on your phone's Jerry wanna tell you the story. And then you read in the paper reading article, I want to tell you the story. I don't say nothing, but man. And before we get into the Michael Mickey Mickey John did you ever see anything never a presidential candidate or anything? Jerry was hugging. Everyb-? You know, there were forty seven thousand people in the stadium. I think Jerry, basically hugged every one of them every bellboy. The front desk. That's not true. Listen, I tell you what every one of them. I love people and listen and Dallas Texas was no different. I love the fans that great to me. I'm ready to them. And I had a terrific time. Listen just much. That's a gift. I'm lucky to that people are and I can respond to that. And I love every second of it. I come home feel high as a kite, and I do it on the plane. I do whatever I go. I love people. This is let's let's let's talk. I always tell them we always laugh at the end. I tell him. I wanna fight him when he for president. What was really cool as there was a tweet sent into Jerry from the golden glove team champs east, Texas. You wanna come see us? He went all the way up to the fifth four that stadium. And that's a big state EMMY trained probably around fifteen kids free of charge. I collect the money. I took some money on the side for coaches. But of course, now man, I mean. Immeditate whole thing ready. It was up to the top floor way up on the top. But it was a sweet. And how sweet was that? I got to all these kids and their parents, and I was teaching parents about how to have someone throw Jeb don't lean in sit back take your body in most basic boxing tools. I was getting these little kids that are hope that they hold onto it and their parents saw it 'cause it's a difference of getting hit and not getting hit. And that was great great night. Josh those shirts and hats should meet soon up in twenty twenty happen. This listen to this house. How's this for clever make boxing great again? Wow. I mean. Yeah. Is that original what that's gonna go over real? Well nowadays. Okay. Well, we'll we'll think of another. Karlyn mic Collin. Did. It again Kuni president. He's coming on. I think he may be moving up to fast, I'm gonna go right past that Ronnie, a no you with me on this girl from home in the Rana gone, but we saw com again do great job in the garden on Saint Paddy's day. How great was that? Only disappointment. I add was I couldn't beat it. 'cause I was flying from Dallas on three different planes. You're on how do you figure that out planes somehow somewhere somebody dropped the ball in transportation here? But it was great. We had a super super time got to see everything that we had to see. And anyway, it was just fantastic now. Jerry, Michael Kamen. Yes. He won MC. Mc MC mickan is now eleven oh. This is a guy for guy represented Ireland in the twenty six. Olympics in real he won his first fight against his Armenian opponent winning a three nothing in rounds in his next fight. He took on a guy from Russia by the name of lava Mia Nikitin and in a flight where most people thought that if Collin didn't win all three rounds definitely want to the rounds. And when the judges turned in their scorecards it was three zip for the Keaton. And that's when common turned around and said Phuc you to all of the official, listen, you gotta here's a kid from Ireland who's been training his azoff to represent his country Ireland for the Olympics, and he goes out and wins handily, and it gets robbed. So you can't tell it happens. Look, I mean, still the worst robbery I've ever seen in the Olympics nineteen eighty eight Seoul Korea and one of the judges actually in years years later admitted he was he was paid off. When Roy Jones did not get the gold medal. Still the worst robbery in the history Hubble. Hubba listen. So so had judges that victory in line heading to the finals would be Chicago Stevenson was that in the same week less. Well, she core also lost early on. So you know, they didn't get their against each other heading to now. Top rank put the thing is before common ever sees Shukor. Stevenson, who's probably at this stage. I'd say a little bit more develop more events. It looks like before this year is out. Vladimir Nikitin has already signed with top rank you want a majority decision. The other night against governor of one top and tapa came in with a record of I believe it was eighty two and took him to a majority decision. The Keaton wanted he's not ready. I don't think yet Keaton to fight Khan. If he does take him on. I think it's going to be a good fight. But see this time, you know, it won't be a four rounder. It'll be a six or an eight round of maybe even a ten course. I'm going to be too much. Chicago Stevenson Mickey Colin in the same division. Yeah. Yeah. And that is to fire fireworks right to it is going to be a big fight and again because top-ranking just keep signing one big diaster another. They've got them all under their umbrella. They're doing that. What I call the UFC thing get as many guys under your umbrella than match them up against each other. And that's where. The big fights come in. You have to big fighters you match them up against each other. And as we heard Dan Raphael say before why isn't Mikey Garcia gonna fight in a fight. It really makes sense. It gets Loma chanko is because low Michenko is with top rank. And this what we said we're going to tell you before why is he gonna fight Loma chanko widely Trump without the queues. So he they don't like each of the top rank and Mikey Garcia. Do not like each other cannot happen with that Heyman connection and everything it cannot happen jury. The other reason he's not gonna go to thirty five is with you. Remember what Roy Jones junior was heavyweight built himself up didn't eat pasta to gain twenty pounds of this body yesterday. And when it came time to break in that down getting back to one seventy five never could do it again. And he wasn't the same Roy Jones anymore. If Mikey Garcia tries to get down from one forty seven now back to one thirty five his career could be over. Twenty one forty first and maybe go to thirty five at some point, and possibly may be a fight different with that special guy. We don't know hoping Bobby. I'm says he wants to make all the fights. Let's make the fights happen. Let's make them happen was make it happen. Let's see Lucy Loma chain coz, you know, Mikey Garcia sometime in the next. I really wish he could sit these guys down with each other the promoters from Al Hayman and Oscar de LA Hoya the funny part about it is that tiger L Heyman came out with a, wow, he's taking over boxing. He's just taking over. He was just signing almost every everybody. Right. And then now, look you got ESPN. Plus, we got FOX we got show me does own. We have so many network boxing where we have the Spanish network. That's out. You know, what do you call it Spanish boxing network now to ESPN deport days. I mean, this is. I mean, this is so many networks that we started to get hurt because the quality of of the under, you know, under cards are not hurting in my opinion, like they were years ago, and we have to find a way around that somehow 'cause it's going to hurt boxing again. To tell you to be watching our Twitter feed, watch it follow us on Twitter at Sirius XM, boxing, wizards Randy commission, Gordon, and at Gerry Cooney, because we'll be tweeting out tomorrow all about that press conference that the anti Wilders gonna be having at the Barclays center. What will he be announcing? He's going to be announcing his next fight may eighteenth. And also most likely why he did not sign this one hundred million dollar deal that zone apparently has offered him. This got to be a reason that he's not doing it. I'm sure we're gonna hear it. I was wanted to get a little tired of you. You're always saying the Rainsy gone the Randy gone gun. No one Friday. It's the Kuni gun. All right. Come on. You know this. Very very sensitive, and that's. Today is the Rennie. Every Monday is Randy gun and on Friday. We're going to be back with you. In the Kuni gun. Studios. Okay. Yeah. There we go. It has been one hell of a show wanna think, Dan. From ESPN dot com that come from. I like it. Just rolls off, Dan Rayfield, Dan. From ESPN dot com. Remember it didn't have much sleep. So a little right now. Help us. Wanna remind you that m made junkie radio is up next. In just sixty seconds with gorgeous, George actually, and it's gorgeous goes as well. And Dan, Tom, plus guests Simon head sheet dove Etta and Frank MIR for jilting, Josh, I'm Randy j for gentlemen, Gerry Cooney is eight nine tenths along. Folks. Have a great week. See friday. Took you roll baby on junkie radio with gorgeous Georgian. This is what we do. We do it baby. We. Covering from all over the world. This is the previous stop for all your combat sports needs. And that may junkie radio the only show broadcasting live from the Mandalay bay resort and casino in the fight capital of the world loss famous Nevada. The lights are on and the mic her heart. It's time to get your enemy fix junkies. Take it away. Big John, gorgeous, Jordan goes are you ready junkie? From the fight capital of the world inside the beautiful Mandalay bay racing sports book, and the Kate O C I studios in Costa, Mesa, California. You're listening to the junk radio show, the only show that matters. I'm your host, gorgeous, George. He's always is the devious and dastardly goes our east coast to his left. I believe because I'm not there is the fight analyst, Dan, Tom to goes, right? I believe is Richard hundred from the phone booth fighting podcasts and CBS sports radio and last but not least jumbo Josh producing becky's. What's up fellas? Hello. Man, not much now much last day out in California before I joined you guys out in Vegas for the big March madness week. So let me just say this real quick because I did a poor job of it last week Lasley just kinda caught you off guard Wednesday off this week will be off Thursday and Friday, and the reason is because. We will just be too drunk into intoxicated to do the show if it was the morning show. No problem. You know, we just kind of hold off on beers drink afterwards, but come on five PM Pacific, at least ten games will have gone by. Then at least twenty parlays we'll have been won and lost by then at least three or four rounds of shots will have been done by that. We'll be slurring our words and and saying politically incorrect things and possibly one of the two of us might get fired. So this Thursday and Friday, we'll be off. But we're gonna have fun here on Monday Tuesday and Wednesday today will recap you have see London. And as noted by our friends at at the fights, Jerry Cooney and Randy Gordon wells, catching them on the way in we will be talking to Simon head who covered the UC London enforce. That'll be in the first hour. Frank mayor in the second hour, and it's gonna be fun show. So ready to go guys what let's start off right at the top, man. What did you think? About the huge George Mazda all Keio over Darren till at the UC main event, you'll see London main event. Well, I think I wanna say the three of us pick, George, right? Yep. So we're good there. I think it's junky nation anyth- a call in and tell us what they think about that. Because we have that one call fell as what you know, what I felt like the knockout blow wasn't actually his hardest punch that he thought he hit there, and with that some harder punches it just happened to catch him in the rights by the follow ups were great, man. They just two different people in two different weight classes, I was really thinking that fight started. This guy might be too big for for hay. And then getting knocked down right away. It was a fun fight. I mean, if I paid money to be in that arena that night, I would have been happy which eating, Dan. Yeah. It was it started off fun. Like like, oh four. He got knocked down that. I'm like, wait. Let's remember Haley conductive on the show. He gets knocked down early and a lot of his fights. And something I noticed when I was looking on the tape is that he makes his read an adjust. And of course, I like you guys were taken in the crowd was been infectious till was kind of having his moments getting Horry corral against the. Cage. But then I thought I remembered that and I'm like, you know, what I think Lori is getting his reads and kinda like what goes some of the harder shots came early. You know, he's throughway right hand and came back with a left hook there until really hard in that first round. And I think he knew that left hand was going to be there. Now he threw from the southbound stance to finish. And I'll be honest, I called it by decision. And maybe so, you know, see submission, maybe an accumulative stoppage. Because I thought he's going to go to the body is the fight war on. But yeah, I'm gonna be honest. Even though I called Maas at all. And and made a nice little bit bit of dough on that sportsbook here. Thanks, George for reminding me, but you know, what guys I'll be honest. I didn't see him just icing them out cold. You know, those those shots over the shoulder. The southpaw that lead shoulder just really just ice guys, you know, Sam stout versus. Es Edwards or Michael bisque? Verse Luke, Rocco came over till shoulder, and we saw the same effect. Yeah. Masato looked in amazing shape. I was impressed with the fact that I mean first of all to looked like at the outset that he had his game plan together. You know, you talked about being a morgue recipe coming out of the gate, and it looked like he was gonna do that. He had a good first round. So this wasn't to me so much till being off his game. As it was. Mas Vidal looking sharp looking like he was in great shape and also being innovative with the the footwork the switch stance right before he he delivered that left. So you know, it just to me it was it was two fighters who looked to be on their game. But yet Maas Vidal won the day by just being a little more. So so I can't find any way to diminish what that accomplishment was for for hay MAs Vidal. I love the way he was switching stances. And there was two things that he did that. I think at least put till in a position where he had other concerns right other than Mosle-led hands. One. Was he did like like linear kick, except he was jumping towards them a little bit like Bobby Brown style on karate kid. He threw that. It was lazy. But he threw it. And then he threw a lazy jab before he came with the right, excuse me. His left is power hand. And caught till it wasn't a hook. And it wasn't a straight punch. It was like in between the two but yet enough power and right on the button to put till out. I believe that one right there put them out. But then there was another one that came and caught him on the way down that grazed them a little bit more by the temple that didn't help. And of course, he started dribble in the basketball when he came over on top. And I think one off maybe two before the ref interceded. So first of all I wanna say. This. I take nothing away from mazal because I those just a great finish the one thing. I do concern myself with is is Till's, dehydration and rehydration. Because guys I've seen a lot of Muslim fights, and that type of Keio just it takes a while to get there or it's a little bit more of the hook variety. But either way when I saw it live. I was I just I I was thinking how did that happen? But then there was you know, there was like the third or fourth angle that Dan hardy was showing moss Vidal, and it comes from. I guess it would be if MAs would all is in the south pasta. It comes from about his four o'clock. And on that angle. You just see the punch connects solid, man. It was right on the button and it put till out. And of course, it silenced the crowd. But did you see Twitter sphere blow up? Why? Because going back to Friday where I reiterated something that I said for the last few days weeks, whatever everyone's a Mazda fan the promoters. Well, maybe not the biggest but still promoters, the matchmakers the executives other fighters. Emmy media, I sure and fans this guy has had it all at his disposal. If he would just fight more frequently and if he would win some of these bigger fights and not those costly split decisions. But I'm telling you Mazda, I'll just his his stardom shot through the roof on Saturday night. But more frequently fought twice that night, George when where he went from the. He sure did. Yeah. So all right. I'm glad you all got to say what you wanted to say about the miles at we can always circle back till had won that first round. I think we can all agree there. And in the second round, it was, you know, still too early for us to decide who was really leading. But either way solid win for George. Mas at all it got him to bonuses. But yes, like go stated now he goes back and he's doing the rounds. Not the not the Dan hardy, you know, inside the octagon round, which by the way that was very classy for for for MAs muzzle. He I'm talking about when he goes in the back with Laura Sango, and I'm sure you've all seen the video by now. And if you haven't all man, what kind of a fan or you just don't even listen to us because you're not a hardcore fan. You don't deserve EMMY junkie in your life as that's happening. Apparently, someone's Turpin, we don't know who Maswadeh gets distracted says something back, of course, if all of us have money, right then. And there we'd go that's asking. It ain't it's Leon Edwards apparently Liane Edwards who had just won. The combing event is probably still decompressing from his fight and so- Mazda all walks over there like a straight up g only he could pull this off. But only a couple of people could pull it off anybody that walks with their hands behind the back is it really walking like a gangster. Let me let me start by saying that. But the end result was he was walking like a g he just casually walks over. And I think we all thought, oh, where's will be exchanged? Somebody will jump in the middle this that whatever. And. Nope. That did not have an as go stated Maswadeh came away with two victories that night eat two three piece combo, Anna soda. Those are MAs all's words, although I thought I counted a fourth punch and he connected, man. If you've seen the extended video courtesy of ESPN AMA, you can see Liane Edwards has a cut below his left eye, and there was some swelling going on, and I'm sure have to wear the shades for a few days, but he he got a piece of them there. And and. I'm telling you Twitter blew up again. But you know. I hope I don't catch eat from this. I I'm just gonna let boys be boys as far as this is. This is concerned. I know you're all expecting me to say. Well, it's deplorable. We can't have it. It's true. We can't especially every weekend. We just can't have that. But I haven't really seen something like that in a long time. And I'm fine with them. Just if Leon were words ain't gonna press charges with which it sounds like he's not. I'm I'm fine with the UC who's commissioning themselves on that event, by the way, just leaving it alone. And we all move on. Now is that what's going to happen? Probably not because one thing you do when you dole out a punishment. Is you try and deter future future mishaps? But guys, what did you think of partout Muslim second fight that night? But we have a cut of it at Josh wanna play that cut real quick. Guide one of these hooligans, man. He's like talking crap social scene in here doesn't really address me as a man, you know, wanted to talk to kinda, you know, just like dodging me, and whatever we handle it after do my interview this hooligan comes by Saint some stuff July, ask keep the July July. I go, maybe whatever 'cause maybe wanna kick your ass in April. Maybe I don't wanna wait till you let maybe I don't even wanna fight you in Prizren because you're not worth a training camp. I just fight. You hear your scrub, you know, so just say to my face. I commend you saying walking away. It's not like, we're both men, you know. And as I as a mocking to him. I got my hands behind my back to signal coming here for problems, but he put his hands up like this some video in walks towards me. Well, where I'm from. If you do that, you're going to punch me in the face, and that's not going to happen. The door gear. JV beta your. Your what you are. Just loser in life. Man. You're not gonna get a hit off me game that the peace with the soda and just glide out of it, you know, and then some of his friends tried to saga punch me. Those guys did a big mistake because your visa America's now revoked because land in America, it's going to be some problems. I mean, there's problems here ready. But those people can't go to America. No more. Elected. We we cannot condone this, obviously. But what I will say is this. I don't feel too bad about it. Because the second you start talking smack to a guy like or. Hey, mas. But all you have to expect us you have to expect that he's going to do something like this. I was shocked that Leon I think I think you try to say that Leon kind of put his hands up. And that's why reacted. I don't know that I saw that way. But Leon should've known better because this is a real gangster the same way. You don't go to these brothers and do those type of things because they're going to do a back. It's the tencent you roll if you're gonna talk smack would you should have better known better that great site. Great paul. Yeah. I wasn't surprised by that. You know me. I'm the traditional martial arts guy. Trash-talk doesn't do it for me. But am I surprised that this no not at all just even following Moskva Vidal? And you know, what if anything is kind of anti trash talking to me is kind of proves his point that, you know, hey, let's, you know, be careful you trash talk to could be a guy named more him off at all. I'll I'll take the contrarian point of view here. Just in the sense that you know, we we have to have a universal understanding that no matter what you say to somebody. If you're talking to somebody that not only doesn't rise to the level of a salt, but it doesn't warrant or justify it. So I can't go through life about to say something disparaging somebody, and before I do it half to say to my friend is a real gangster for saying things one of the real gangsters because I'm not allowed to say anything. I mean this falls into the category of you know, like a Khabib where I'm from. You can't criticize my religion is not about where you're from. It's about where you are right now. And where you are right now is we have a universal rule of law. Now that being said, you know, I think we all just have to decide collectively if we're going to care about this stuff or not we're gonna prosecute it or not, you know, say prosecute. I mean, maybe not even in a court of law. But just is the. UFC gonna come down with a sanction rack force. It's abroad. So you don't have the State Athletic commissions, just decide whether you care or not let's don't be arbitrary about it. Let's don't sanctioned one. And then not sanction another which seems like the argument that we always have to have and a lot of times, what seems yet consistency. And a lot of times. What has would seems to matter is how much can this guy Bank on the next pay per view. I definitely can't argue with that. But just added one thing that time what we said about last week where he said, I would MAs Vidal will it was talking about which can look at you look at a B look that in stark contrast now looking at his actions, but when he was talking about, you know, trash talk in the state of it and Emma may and what would we say? He's being genuine. That's why. Mas was awesome fans. And we also say that when guys do the trash talking warned genuine. We all say we could spot it out real fast and lightly, which is a fighter, but I think on Edwards by all accounts. And maybe a headway on this the nicest dude in the world behind the scenes it comes off like a respectful martial artists. But we saw it after his win over pizza Boto. He had the kid kind of awkward call out of dare until the mic drop, and it was kind of awkwardly time, you could tell that really wasn't as forte. And I wonder if someone was in his ear cut reminded me a member that Atta character baiter move on DC didn't resort fisticuffs down in Louisiana that post-flight presser air-minded me that something tells me someone wasn't Leon's ear. He goes out of out of character and agree at a certain point. Yeah, I'm not I'm not promote violence. And and if Hans weren't in fact up then. Yeah, you can't you can't just, you know, hit someone for talking trash, but I also come to that point of don't do this whole trash talking and inciting violence thing too as they could be a bad point. But also be a look what it could lead to. So. I guess I don't know that as well. Okay. By. I do wanna say something what Richard said. Oh, you're right. See, richard. There are I really the there are rules. There are laws, but a lot of people not everyone abides by them. So that being the case you better watch your mouth if you open it not in the right setting. You can't just think well, I'm gonna country that civilized and there's some fine meal. Police officers over there that will step in or not step in or whatever you just don't know. However, how everybody's thinking. So I'm not sure if I understood your message, but I will say that Edwards did not press charges because I think he realizes I got got. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. So let's go to commercial, and we're going to talk to Simon head when we come back. He was covering the show out in London. So we want to get his thoughts on this show that took place the main event, and of course, the antics that took place backstage listening to junkie radio on my nation channel ninety three. Stay close. We'll be back. Knew what they say your life will be a lot better. Here are gorgeous sin goes tonight at ten thirty eastern the Indiana Pacers duel with the Portland trailblazers on NBA radio series. Two seven XM Eighty-six streaming on Sirius XM connected devices and speakers wanna dedicate today showed Ken w Nielsen who passed away on March tenth two thousand nineteen. He is the father of what you all have heard me talk about over the years. The Neilson brothers, my friend of mine Johnny Nielsen who I went to school with and his brothers who are all close in age. All cool dudes that included me on many bachelor trips and March madness chips. In fact, they're the ones that got the whole March madness thing going for them for me, excuse me. So this is to all of them went to the service today. So it was really really rough to see that. Because Mr Nielson their dad was actually part of these March madness trips. So it was always really cool right around this time of the year to see him. Along with the brothers. And the dude was so sharpie was counted cards when we played blackjack and always great gave great advice. Very witty. He was an attorney practicing attorney for many years retired a few years, and it was enjoying his life. But at eighty two years, he you know, he checked out a few few days ago. But man, he he will be missed terribly. All right, folks. We're gonna continue on here with our show Simon head who works for EMI junkie for us win the shows go to the UK to Europe. He is joining us now on the hotline, and he's staying up has got to be almost half past one out there in London England. So we appreciate that welcome Simon head to Emma may junkie radio. How're you doing, sir? Great to be on. They say twenty twenty twelve I've his I know quite to like, so you guys have an adjusted the clock yet. Right. Now on the whole time. I've been completing stories meet crazy for you know, whenever you fly America. You don't know what tawny help we have daylight savings at different times of the we need to we need to sit down and look stuff out. That's because when you're in America, you're usually either at the rhino or at the Mandalay bay playing blackjack, and they don't have clocks in either of those fine establishments. That's why you're that's why you're always off Simon. Sorry. Let the cat out of the bag of folks this guy goes hard anyway. Hey, jobs, you and Morgan. Great job you and Morgan out there in London England. It was a, you know, tiptop service from you guys. And at the end of the night, we were treated with some really, really, great fights and an awesome main event. And I'm telling you when the main event livers, it just lifts the whole card, regardless of what happens it lifts it. You know, I it gives us all that warm fuzzy feeling that we're looking for on Saturday nights. Yeah. It was. It was good. That mention Abby savant. He was. He was killing in the back in the he was running the camera doing the video can so he's actually a three man team out in Palestine shoots as well. So we had also going down there in London. But yeah, when you get goodbye event, everybody goes on happy the rest of the calls good the main event the business. Everybody's happy. And we even had a little bit of extra that might have been. So, you know, mass without the study up to Brits on fought night. Yeah. For sure. And so I wanted to ask you first of all we're gonna talk about miles would for sure he's going to be a focus for all week. If I'm not mistaken, just I know how this thing works out. But let's talk about Darren till this second loss in a row and pretty devastating one's a shot at the title. And usually this is when these fighters like the pick themselves up and then create another championship run. He got ice pretty bad. Simon is this not only eight second loss in a row of a horrible KO. But also the ushering of Darren till the middleweight. It's it's the big question in my mind is what think when I Nance the the whole adult fly. Well, so I scratch my head a little bit. Because I was pretty sure often Sodom Woodley that he's next move was going to beat some move to middleweight we've seen and heard the stories about how tough it was to make a hundred and seventy pounds specially championship. White doesn't even get extra extra one pound leeway. And. Yeah, I was I was surprised when they announced he was going to be at one seventy. But then we saw him a flight week. And you look absolutely superb. He looked visibly. Lena. It didn't look quite as broad across the shoulders and even seeing him during the work housing fought. We he was absolutely rips. He looks in the best condition of his career physically. But in that fly against Jewish MSA without you know, he he goes over to comfortable in the puck against massive outlet touch him too many times, and, you know, most of massive show on one one the the real McCoy. He was just he was range fine. Ending and just making sure he he's writing these time. So didn't once going to that second round that he started touching regularly? Then he loaded up with the big lip took. And so she I mean, aren't tasted a suit tonky five still incredibly young spoilt. These all the these these career, obviously when I get back to back low seized tape. Stop to ask questions, you know, this the end of the road or do we need to make a big China here or there, but this is still an elite level who stood incredibly young? And he's only two defeats have into Tara Woodley an inspired whole guy mouse without who had it a quite incredible week from start to finish. You know, you really seem to fund these Mojo but over here in London. So I don't necessarily think he's finished well to white. He may still feel this. I'm finished business. But I don't think I don't think a move out to middle. He's out the question for going that size. Maybe you can be more of these natural white, and he can focus purely on the delivered the best performance. He can rather than also having. The factory, and what might still be relatively tricky. White cup. We're joined by Simon head. He's calling over from the UK covering event for enemy junkie this past weekend. Follow him on Twitter at Simon head. And I'm going to set it over to the guys in Vegas. Go start things off what do you ever Simon Simon in your opinion, a performance like the one or him at all had can he circ vent a guy like Colby Covington because that's kind of what people are throwing out there. That's a really good question. Because not only that I kind of rivals in the division. Really good, friends and trading down there AT. So that's a really interesting dynamic between those two I think the biggest thing in in FIFA. He's he's he's been competing. He's active and he's he's not the time to turn a fight down. Whereas we've seen Toby Kobe's depending on who you listen to he's ton down humanities or he's had injuries of many couldn't take those off at Unity's the fight going to them which makes them sellable, regardless of who they fighting. I think because because my was was he went into the we can much much though it down the rankings. He was in the double biggest. So I think the win this weekend. He's going to he's going to catch poll straight up into the upper upper bracket. I would assume that Kobe still the guy, and depending on your view Toby, there's an argument for saying, Mike the Colby fight. Because if this is Toby's narrative is one that's going to buy any full off the edge of a cliff loses. Then some people might want to see that happen. All if he goes and gets the tossed, then you've got yourself with check you really pulverize the fan. Vice a nice case law. Line out the law and the contenders and see you can be in. But right now, I think Koby still in the box seats that I talked to show. Hey side. I got some more matchmaking talk to toss you. But just real quick. I also wanna compliment you fantastic job when you're coverages per usual last week in London and also catching you on Jon Morgan's may roadshow there. And and I always love you and your take on fights. And the way you break things down, sir. You ever thought about doing any any kind of podcasting on the regular yourself any resurrection of Brit packs anything like that in the works for you? Something something to spoken about one. And all we have to put on the show for a while. And my work situation at the time was a little bit. Flaky freelance in these days doing bits and pieces for various outlets around about. And we're in the process of trying to move house of all sorts of dramas that they end so had to dial things back a little bit take care of the priority stuff and see where we go. I love I love the pope cost on dead chuffed to be here on MA junkie radio and Jones, very he's very kind. And he's he's on the ride show a few times over the as and you know, seem to we always come up with some good stuff from her own. But the problem with the Polk costing Danny's. It does take it does take a low your time. I mean, if I was a one type guy these would be, but I'm ready. Hey, I I hear you hear you there, man. So I go ahead. What about the anything about seeing if people do actually sounded like November wanna listen? So, you know, you need at least three hours of solid edited. Somebody sound even hear it. Hey, man tricks of the trade tricks of the trade wa had to pay that complement toward you. But back to the matchmaking at hand, I was actually thinking about Darren till and I was with you Simon. I thought middleweight was going to be the next move. But as this match of got closer, especially as kind of had the hunch that MAs could get the jump in this matchup. I thought what would happen with Darrin till and I definitely not against the middleweight move guys. But how about this? What about rehashing that Mike Perry that might Perry? A little little trash talk in moment. I believe you might have been been there in polling dance. I believe after after DARREN'S win over over cowboy, and you know, is that is now the time to rehash that. It's a terrible idea. Really? I mean, those two guys there isn't there is a genuine respect between the pair them. But Mike Perry when he's in my old bets are off. He tends to a complete lunatic. And he set a light light almost no other. So chilling Perry's and easy win thought. I don't know if it makes sense if I'm Dr until manager on it wanting to drop that down with respect to my berry for wanting to be joking that fall down the rankings because a win over Mike Perry other than being really exciting. What it does career-wise Darren too. I mean, three names who I think would be would be relevant with since one of them is Leona woods. If was doesn't get the mass without fight next that Darren sale for me makes the most sense that Safai that the they've both been so Tiffany each other in the policy was that front heading so USC London. So that's one option since Yager Nubia was floating around. He would be a very interesting. Matchup with Darren sale, predominantly struck bug. Very aggressive big for the white costs as well. So I think that would be interesting and the other one that you could Chuck in there is ruby Lola in Robie Lola versus down will get very excited. That's the so. Yeah. That action part wait called and nothing people. People would absolutely love that is like my, you know, maybe third for the cod or even even as a even as a featured ESPN open, you know, put put at the top of the put it at up prelims. The is an absolute banger of a fight site. Come by the pipe view. I don't think that would be an absolute bomb butter. Define fireman. Heads trying out for matchmaker. Matchmaker. The UK for the thing, man. Those are some good ones there. Yeah. Like it. We got one half of the dynamic dual that is Frank MIR and Richard hunter hosted phone booth fighting Richard you got a question for Simon. Yes. I mean, you mentioned the on it words, and that's who I went to ask you about, you know, he came into this card kind of in the shadow of Darren till despite the fact that that he's a Brit fighting in one day in garner Nelson's very popular fighter there, and you know, kind of a little bit of a mixed reaction not necessarily the entire weight of the audience being on the side of Edward's. But not only did he have a very impressive decision. Win over Nelson in the co main event. But then of course, the the post fight theatrics is well with Masato all that being said, I just wanted to ask your thoughts from a person being on the ground there. Did it feel like Edwards is status in the the minds of the the casual British a fan may have gone up significantly as a result of? Of the the weekends proceedings. Yeah. Anyway, that Kant because gonna Nelson's one of those fights is who everybody loves to go. He's he's great. He's great carrot. So he's deadpan that Panamanian the stuffy does away from the cage. You know, you're gonna have to music videos. He doesn't Jim in accident. It's absolutely crazy. He he's a genuine character spoilt. He's a very traditional martial arts background, which I think appeals to other people. And of course, he comes from comes from that color McGregor SP g so lineages. Well, so there's a whole lot of reasons why everybody seems to gun announced. And there's no denying he came Bill. Yeah. The majority of the support in the fans another than for me on everyone's, you know, Brit getting booed on the way to the dome in London was I thought it was really really sad. And you know, I'm disappointed for him. Because I know you guys touched on early before I came on the own was one of the most respectful guys you'll meet in school. And it's kind of I running with. Mess with L situation off the fight that Leon would says he's whole career flying under the right because he is attracted tool he doesn't. He doesn't go out whites and make some noise, and he's kind of tried to do that little bit without without going over the top just try and get papers and notes in and it's kind of I right. The first time he really he really sticks his neck out there in does something he gets smacked in the face three times by mass outside. You know, it's a fit of story on that front. However that might actually prove to be one of the one of the things that gets over in K seem into into the consciousness when it comes to the wealth division. He's won seven in a row, and you look at some of the nineties alva- to mino- Vincente, Luke, Bryan, Bob arena. These are solid guys pizzas. Boxer respect to grandpa. Did he go Cowboys around me? And then the big one this pulse. We can gun Nelson. The on which is go. I who it's a tricky. He's a tricky match Mike full because he hasn't got that stop. How? Our he hasn't got that larger than life personality. But he's moving. He's out the rankings. He's on a seven fight win streak, the going above him go, you know, there isn't really an upside for them is if I him, and it's really tricky how do you deal with the guy for me? That's too much for him. One is to the other ones as though and I think one of those has to be made. But I think this is an next fight will hopefully for him be the one that pushes him into into a position where he gets a little bit more respect, I think on the microphone he said, some respect to my name and agreed in because I think he's as for the performances each send out in on these probably the most improved British UFC fought your on the roster chime in his a strike, and I think that we can call happy to grapple gun around the mat, you know, I think he's a treaty well rounded makes office and he says why more credit than he's getting right now. Yeah. Kind of reminds me Elise. Use the Leschi though Santos same position. I think he's six one seven and one not many people know who he is until about a week ago. Leon Edwards same thing. But everyone knows who the heck they are. Now just goes to show you the death at welterweight, man. These guys are probably somewhere in the, you know, number ten region give or take depending on what rankings us, but they're solid solid fighters. And I expect big years out of both of those guys since they've already secured the first win in two thousand nine, but let's talk about the most popular Brit fighter ever, Michael bisbee who got inducted into the hall of fame. The announcement was made this past weekend. I should say will happen this July when he'll be inducted into the hall of fame. What does that mean for the U K and all of the little kids out there that are now gravitating a little bit more towards Mark mixed? Martial arts seeing an induction like that. He's also held a belt seen, Dan hardy. To a wonderful job. Commentating Seon seeing the Leon Edwards Darren tills of the world that are progressing to through and becoming household names would be fair because I know how the Premier League is. But at least they're becoming more popular names. Yeah. You look at all these guys who have since gone into the Elta, Gordon and performed under the flag of the United Kingdom. They got Michael biz Bing to think as well as Dan hardy BRAC picky. Ian, Freeman you know, these guys they really they really set the table for the glass follow than these being is kind of funny. I remember bisbee a few years ago. He reeled off a list of some of the jobs that you had and he wants got rejected as door to door salesman because he came across bother to Gresley of at the door. And turns out he's turned out to be one of the greatest I was Mun in US history because he turned the United Kingdom into a bed of mixed. Martial arts simcity UFC by helping win over the media hope into really spread the gospel of the sport. He was the guy doing interviews with the newspapers and the magazines when the people injuring him literally had zero clue what they were looking at. He was. The having to be patient and explain in the most basic of terms how mixed martial works. And that it wasn't this no rules free for all that there was genuine athleticism skill technique, dedication, and commitment without someone like him who was able to do that not only with some sort of eloquence. But also with very good Huma sport would be where today he's done an incredible job. Then coast when he gets in the cage, I British to win the ultimate he didn't win coach Yeltsin at five, and then the incredible Cinderella story of a career, you know, how many times couldn't get note down and get back up and try again, you know, he he's the so the pits me of positions. And he finally got his challenge to win the type. So it years one nine two nine I was the only British journalist Irina when he did it. And it was it was it was a quite incredible experience to be that as British journalist. Seen him come so close and then full show each time and some of the losses that he had some of the devastating knockouts, but you've seen in US history. You know, you got absolutely mom allies veto Belfour. There's Dan Henderson knockout, which to these. He's probably still these single most knockout, and yes, he history, and you go after Darren till this weekend that was NAS detail at the hands of master, though, if there until needs to look for some some source of inspiration. Yeah. Needs to look at Michael biz being you know, he's been he's been down sign many times. He got up time back again kept believing himself and became the first pretty see well champion. So he's he's been everything for the Yucai. And I think is just rewards for an incredible career for for for a guy who he he's done old five coach ultimate fights winner. And now he's at he's a pundit and even Coleman sites now doing a great job now on on ESPN. Yeah, he takes boxes the county's these he's. He's good fun to be around as well. So I'm head is our guest here on the junkie radio show. You can follow him on Twitter at Simon head contributing frequently forever may junkie and other outlets will give them a follow. He solid Simon one more question occurred to me though. So sorry to keep you up. I know it's past midnight. We really appreciate you doing this for us. But my question is simple. When can Emma may have show like the one that took place in at Wembley stadium with Klitschko and Joshua eighty ninety thousand at Wembley stadium. How long are we away from that from something like that for mixed martial arts 'cause that was epic? Wow. Well, it's it's kind of the own, but you kinda McGregor in an event of Wembley stadium that sell out. No problem it. So I know he's not a bread. But he's the biggest thaw in mixed martial arts, and you can put McGregor against against the cleaning lady. And he would sell out Wendy, citing no trouble whatsoever. You know, he he's the big star a thunk stage yet where we have a British dole on the on the horizon who could who could fill eighteen thousand if Darren till can get back on the whole don't really know victories. He's outwitted I'd be world. So why would that be middle away? Why would love to see for him? And he's highly unlikely because of the beautiful British way that we have here love to see their until I'm field that would that would for me would be just d- most atmospheric UFC event ever held because you know, you guys self-defense over there and majority radio and here hearing, you'll never. Cologne being sung from the stands and feel about Darren Tilley's in Neil to that will be that goosebumps goosebumps moment. But I mean, the north of England we were really lucky liver for us Beith in sunshine. When we were there last summer that that was the week to sunshine they had that year. So you know, we don't get outdoor stadiums. And you don't really make a lot of sense if you wanted to big stadium show in the u k then the millennium staving card, if it's the place that that place holds about seventy five seventy eight thousand they've got a retractable roof that would be the place to do it. If you were going to do Massey stadium show, you could do something on the same. So is the role arouse the holy Hong strike area, but that's the scouts with. But you'd have to stuck not cards. You know, we don't have a brick type of headlining quite that sky yet give us a few years. Maybe we'll get. All right. Excellent spot mate. Thank you so much. Really? Appreciate it. Let's do this more often. Dry stuff. Thanks for having us on. Appreciate it. I have a good rest of the show. Okay. Thank you, sir. All right, folks. We're gonna take a break. You're listening to MA junkie radio on Sirius XM fight nation challenged three. When we come back. We'll do the daily debate. And guys, I'm sure you saw it. And I know people wanna talk about it. You have see an ESPN have struck another deal. We'll talk about all that. When we come back. Brothers Garcia, saving recanted. Green on eighty. Everybody knows. It's duck season products duck season season, whether it's food spilling great less. Filling case paint gambling always bet on black red black wedding cluck black, dummy even social media, Instagram, Instagram, Snapchat, the same applies to the biggest stores time for everyday junkie radio's gaily. Today's hashtag dailies bait for at m e junkie radio whore, hayme Oz. It all knocked out there until cold in the hashtag UC London main event, then he scuffled with fellow welterweight Liane Edwards backstage, which should get more attention for propelling Mazza doll forward. Three choices fellas. Focus on in cage wins controversy pays bills or got to have a little of each start. Things off goes I think it's got to be a little bit of each. If it weren't like that. I think GSP Matt Hughes would have been the all time pay per view record. Right. But you just kinda need a little bit of heat now and then to to kind of satisfy both ends of the spectrum. What do you think Richard hunter? Yeah. I think that's fair. I mean, I think if you're if you're asking it practically in terms of how is it going to go down? I think that's exactly what's going to happen. I think that. The more hardcore fight fans are going to focus on the what transpired in the octagon itself and more casualties. Irvy's are going to hear that. There was some sort of controversy case in point. I watched the fights on delay. And before I even got to the fight itself. My girlfriend was aware of the fact via social media that two fighters had had an altercation in the back. So the news got to her that there was some sort of controversy after the card concluded before the results of the card itself. What do you think, Dan, Tom, man, I initially was on your guy's side. And I really can't disagree with either either your points. But if I look at the question said, which should get more attention for propelling MAs with all forward. And if I'm going to answer that question and take it at its literal. Meaning I guess I gotta go, you know, as far as focus on the in cage win at the end of the day. If Mazowe Moskva doll loss, you guys points would still held held true Richard's girlfriend would've still heard about the scuffle before the. Results. All that stuff is still true. But without the actual win. And don't get me wrong. We've seen guys get title shots in the US e off of losses. So I understand that. There's holes the poke no matter which route you go, but I'm answering honestly guys. I'll go focus on the cage wins here. What is this a sport? I know. Right. All right, guys. Limit ask you something. That was like twelve fights that night. They all those twelve different winners. What was more special about Moslems? I guess he did get the Cao's in the main event. But that happens every week guys. What sells fights you guys know where I'm headed. Controversy man controversy pays the bills because horrid want just the title fight. He wants to get the title and then make a lot of Bank. That's why he wanted to bonuses. You know, what I mean he wants to make a lot of money and secure his family's future. When he becomes champion. If he becomes the champion. He doesn't want to sell two hundred thousand views he wants to eight hundred thousand that's what that's what pays the bills. Therefore, I believe most of the attention for propelling MAs. But will be because of that. And I and I don't think it's a bad thing. I didn't this fair. I didn't know George's opinion was going to get a disco. I know I'm gonna think of Kobe Covington. Right. I mean, he kinda had both and he didn't get what he wanted. But he's gone to this. Silly like. That's a little bit and drinking out combos with a soda, but Kobe cutting is making his own tea's like making his own t shirts kiosk at the mall, and no Tekken. Mas dole probably won't get the title shot because it seems that becoming since. All right. However, would you guys not say that maybe he jumped ahead of aspirin? Yeah. Say that. So progress was made. And did he jump ahead of aspirin just because of the 'til KO or also the antics backstage? I think I think that's something that could be debated that could be a separate daily debate. But it didn't it didn't hurt him. That's for sure. I can see that argument. But then it I just think of yet to hear Dana white really come out and say his youth candidate ask him because I think that's a big big that'll play a big part. But I guarantee you he can never endorse it I guarantee you. He's in the back like lex Luther excellent. Excellent. Although that didn't that wasn't really a lex Luther no longer. I think so I think so as it turns out is always the Moi's last on picks. And I think usually pick the lowest choice here when it comes to the daily debate is broke down got to have a little of each took forty seven percent of the votes focus on encaged wins. Forty two percent of oats and controversy pays the bills. Eleven percent of eleven percent was that tally. So thank you to those. That voted we really really appreciate it. And what are you gonna do? I I know a little bit of a savage when it comes with some of the stuff excuse me, guys. All right. So I don't think we can give it proper to Justice now. So when we when we come back at the top of the break, we'll talk about the UCS PL. You guys are going really really want to hear about that right now seeking a couple of quick calls that we got him who goes. Yeah. We got Kevin Chicago, Chicago come strong. What's up Kevin? So I wonder if Jon Morgan Siga Z still think you're until can be tomorrow's Mun member wild backhoes Astrum, those why is KOMO use Michigan pedal Todd until sucks. He's overrated and John mortgage. Like, I don't know about that. I think they're took a B Husson. How long have I been on this bashing dear until train seems like if about six months maybe longer and everybody thinks that his bashing. I'm just a hater Noman kids overrated, go back and watch that nNcholas Dow buffet, and he was nearly out on his third, and he got luckily gotta draw. Man. I just I start. I saw the from the beginning do overrated, basic and everything he does he sticks. Chennault the comment though, these combinations. He beat an old cowboy one fifty five pound. Gotta give dishes guys wonderboy, dude. He just over rated, man. I call it from the beginning. I knew at that. They're trying to hype British guy overrated and core. Hey Maasmond are calling for a title shot. You had your chance against my got backpack or three rounds? You don't get a title shot of being hyped job. And he's supposed to be best friends with Kobe coveting a good friend called Covington. And you're calling for a title shot. When you know, he deserves it when he beat my you lost the Myo now man, I think the to get shop before him. I think that resilient eight five once you should get Teleshop before Maswadeh, which guy starts in that. All right. Thanks for the call. All of that torture. What's your thought fourteen points? All right. You know till is seventeen two and one that's not overrated to me. He's just not title worthy at this moment. But maybe he'll he's young. Maybe can come back. Mas would all anybody that wins usually calling for a title shot. He can't slight somebody for doing that. I believe Koby will be next. We are going to take this quick break. We'll be back in about sixty seconds, call in if you wanna follow Kevin we still have some time before we get to our guest in the second hour Frank MIR so call in at eight seven seven five ninety three or eight seven seven three four four four eight nine three. Also when we come back ESPN UFC talk because gonna really like hearing about this news. I get paid to say things in this cool voice. And they get paid to be lame. Here are gorgeous Georgia goes. All right, guys. This is big news. So we needed some time to unpack it kinda needed to be its own segment. He couldn't just, you know, flip it in there in the midst of Mazda, all talk or any of that shit. So here we go all read the headline. And then tell you guys a little bit about what I read on the way in here because this was once again late breaking news, which I get asked a lot. What do you think of the the new time slot? And I'm like, well, we seem to get some really really big breaking news as we're walking in the UFC makes ESPN plus exclusive provider of pay per view of events in the US and the extend their ESPN deal. Now, remember the UCS PIN entered into a deal, which was three hundred million a year for five years. So a one point five billion deal and do see was going to do something along the lines of what they did with SPN. Hey, we got the paper views. We'll do some big ESPN shows which was equal to the big FOX shows. And then we'll do most of our other stuff. On ESPN, plus which wasn't really a television channel as was Fox Sports one and two, but what it was was their digital platform where people could sign up and for four ninety nine and basically get a lot of prelims and exclusive shows there along with a lot of original content. So far, I would say that two months in that's been a hit. I really enjoy going the SPN whether it's the website or ESPN. Plus, I believe that they've done very well. So right away, those two entities, obviously, feel that things are going well because they've already extended the broadcast deal an extra two years. That means they'll go seven years. I don't believe we have actual numbers to add to what I mentioned earlier, however included is a new agreement then this is the key part -cluded in this extended broadcast deal is a new agreement that makes ESPN plus the exclusive provider of UC pay per view, paper views in the United States. Now, that means if you go. Oh, two or a bar. They're gonna there. They that's commercial. They can watch it in the different ways that they order it. But if you're watching it at home goner, the taste of direct TV or shit. I've ever had his TV. So whatever else is out there. I guess dish or any of the cable subscribers and other means of getting the paper of you. You gotta get it through ESPN plus and it kicks off with the next event in April thirteenth, which is UC to thirty six in Atlanta. So this things kicking off again residential fans in the United States. Now, we'll have a single purchase point for you have pay per view of events the ESPN, plus streaming platform. I don't know if decided anything to do with them butting heads with. With the direct TV awhile back, and you know, they able to sort it out for one show or or how this happened or is just too much money to pass up. And I don't know if this'll be good or bad. But to me just seems incredible. That again, these two massive entities UCSB in our our strengthening it strengthening what they have guys react to that. I think I'm gonna be the old man in this one. I. Hey. Man. I'm one of those guys that I'm not a big fan of streaming live stuff, and it's mostly because. I enjoy going on social media during fights and not everyone is on the same wavelength. So you start you're watching a fight. And then all of a sudden, you see that tweet that says, oh, my crazy KO, and you what I haven't gotten into you. And it kind of ruins your experience not as fun even in the same house. There's times where we could be watching Manchester United game on the NBC app. And for some reason, we just didn't think up right in Georgia's ahead of me. And I hear George screaming out from downstairs, and I go I just hear the scream I know what's going on. It just I never really have too much luck with that. Sometimes me myself, by the way. A have a fathering on. Who can barely work the internet. And now, how am I going to explain to him how long and how to do that? That happens that often though, I don't think that happens that often I think it's easy for for just to hit the lie button and sync up to the most current. I mean, I think before was a little bit more primitive. But I don't think it's the same man. It gets on my nerves. I'm going to do it. And it's not as bad as other changes. But that is something that's just kind of always drove driven me crazy about that. What do you think, you know? I I agree. I'm usually kind of old curmudgeon on things beyond my years if you will. And I think that's going to be an issue to not for me per se, in fact with ESPN, plus I don't know about you guys. I finally got myself one of them smart TV's, right? And actually when I load up the menu. If there's an event going on it actually pops right up at the top left corner. It's one click, and I get it right on my TV. Right ESPN, plus event, I'm hoping they make it that accessible and kind of force it onto the viewers radar that they're doing if they're going to do the pay per view. But to goes point, here's what I worry about guys. I think is going to it's going to hack weight or hardcore fan base, and it's going to be similar. To the FOX air with a FOX era about two thousand eleven guys we start stepping up and shows we get into this era where people like me or and many other saying we're bit oversaturated here. Right. The numbers grew the short term grew maybe even the long term use while the short-term definitely grew guys. But a lot of those hardcore, especially you guys know this listeners the show even personal friends of yours. That would always behave by the ball. You catch the pay per view this weekend. You started hearing less and less of those right? They're like always is Saint Pierre still fighting. I don't know who these guys are because we're we're asking so much of them. You know, part of the part of it's on FX FX X part of its here. And so many shows that we we were asking so much of the viewer that we lost a big age group in a big amount of our hard core viewers. I think we're gonna take another chunk out of our hard course, here because I could see a lot of casual fans seeing the hurdles that goes is proposing being like, you know, what this is a little bit too much hoops for me. Or even like what I what I call would be hardcore going, you know, what at this rate. I'm just gonna wait for one of my friends to subscribe or two. Order the pay per view because it's not just order the paper you'd have to subscribe now. And that that's gonna turn a lot of people. Download the app and even people they'll be optimistic. They'll be like, I'm still gonna fall war. But I'm just going to, you know, watch my friends description. We know we all know how that goes. So again, big for me right now, it just I think it feels like a lot of short term grab. And I'm a little worried about the long term. That's the only thing I can say all right. I like the technology of the app and streaming in and of itself, I'm a cable cutter for a number of years, and I enjoyed being one and even more to the point with the ESPN plus app, I like the app. It's good value at five dollars a month. It got me to be able to disconnect the the elective tear that I had to have on my sling TV to have all the F S one f s two things because as someone who only enjoys combat sports, I have no use for ding-dong state play in middle Tennessee in the farmers only dot com bowl that was something. I felt like I was having to support with you on that. All right. But here's my big question. I don't understand where this lease fight pass. I'm a big fight pass Ford. Now fight pass cost twice the money as the SPN, plus ten bucks a month. All right, which forbids like us all always have it because of the the fight library. You know, but how many people before they watch a pay per view on a weekend. Start researching fights on a Monday or Tuesday. Most people don't they don't have. That's why they wasn't a show like this. So you take those the professionals out of the equation. What why what is the value now in fight pass? And I'm so confused because this really doesn't get address very much because you say, okay. What does fight pass so have up until this press? Release came out today. I thought that the value was going to be that the early prelims for pay per views were still going to err on fight pass. Now that's changing because they will air both on fight pass and ESPN. Plus. Yes. So if you have ESP. Plus, you're telling me that I get my pay per view through there. I'm also going to get all the prelims through there. The only reason for me to now have five pass is for the library or for some of the other livestream events like, you know, the jitsu tournaments and stuff again, which as as a professional, quote, unquote. I'm totally into. But I don't know how many fans will continue especially at twice the price point ten bucks a month to continue to pay for that. So I'm very confused as to what they're unless they're just kind of slowly letting it drift off which seems weird considering everything they had invested in fight pass. I don't understand what the pitch is going to be for why you're going to want fight pass. Because there's going to be something there that you cannot get through the ESPN franchise. And now, it seems like that's not the case. My other question is does this mean, you could we're not even gonna go to you a UFC dot com. More papers. Okay. So so according to the press release year, it's five bucks a month for. Yes. PF? Plus if you pay up for the whole year, which is fifty bucks for the year. You're also going to get a pay per view thrown in, but the pay per view price point that sixty bucks fifty nine ninety nine. I wonder if they're going to have the standard definition option. Available in there for ten bucks less that you have seen dot com. Always had again do saying about pass. I mean that seems to one is talking about let me chime in here. Five passes for the international audience ESPN, plus is only available for the United States. And I believe Canada. So we're digging us ESPN, plus the international audience is the ones that use the fight past the most. So, but it's not. No. I just did. Let me give just react to that. Real quick. I hear you. But the thing about that is it's not like the UFC is sitting there looking at their fight pass numbers going man, nobody in America's scribes to this thing. You see what I'm saying? Like, I see what you're saying. It would still have international appeal. But you're you saying George that you think that's just kind of what they're thinking is. Hey, we'll just make that moving forward kind of more of an international platform. I believe so until the until well, here's what I thought. I thought it was until the UC had you have see the UC channel where whatever WWE's is called something like that where it was all for them not in bed with somebody else. That's why this one kind of caught me by surprise. So here's a couple of things. I in for to address what you were saying, it's ten bucks a month. I'm not gonna do nine hundred ninety four ninety nine. I'm gonna go round numbers. Right. It is ten bucks a month for the UC fight pass one announcement. I heard though, and I actually promised to listen, I will look into this. And I totally forgot about it was I heard that if you if you you have fight pass, but also subscribe to ESPN. Plus, they would cut UFC fight pass in half. Thereby you'd be back to the original ten bucks you're spending except now yet vajpai and now yet ESPN plus so if. If you're an American than you can't watch Invicta, you can watch CFC you can watch whatever other original programming. They have which by the way, one one might say, hey, I'm just UFC rider die. So may not matter for some. But, but because you know. ESPN's credit? They've come up with some of their own original programming. And I think they've done a good job. But let's say you want it all then you there is a way where you I believe you pay five bucks, the five pass five bucks five bucks to he SPN. Plus, and now you're back at your original ten now the deal that they've come up with is. It's five bucks a month for ESPN, plus or you can pay it for the whole year, fifty bucks. And you're all said one thing they threw out there was if you pay eighty bucks for the whole year for. Yes PM, plus they'll give you on pay per view. What does that mean? It's basically for an extra thirty bucks. You get one pay per view there by you save twenty dollars off or excuse me, thirty dollars off one of your paper of us because the paper views now, go to fifty nine ninety nine against sixty bucks rather than sixty five hopefully that made sense is it much. No, I was hoping for a little bit more of a price break some. Something that starts getting wittling as down to WWE numbers, but doesn't appear like we're anywhere close. And why should it be? I guess if you're the sea because people still keep paying it yet. No. And if that deal exists though, because I'm somebody who subscribes to both and has since the inception of the ESPN plus app, and I'll tell you this. I get every other Email from UFC. And if if that deal exists, they haven't notified me. So it needs to be easier to discover if there is an actual break that you get for having both. Yeah. Selfishly at it. I was thinking about these things you brought up to obviously with my job. I have to go back and watch these things front back in and not even just having to pay onto platforms and getting people whether it's your American or international audience to convince them for different reasons, you're having a even pay and visit to platforms. If you want to cheat the same thing such as just going through someone's fight library. We haven't had to come across it yet. But I guarantee you within the next one or two fight cards. Especially when you get Donald surroundings making their turnarounds. We're gonna start running into that where we have guys with their last fight took place under this ESPN era. Oh, how long will that turn over be doing? Now. Do we have to not only pay like to your point which will actually have to physically go and navigate just to be? That's our reward for being one of the diminishing card quality. It's usually ESPN fights go over to fight passes. Anything I'm waiting to see how their approach how do that turnover? You know, it's real because because those gonna what does that mean say that again, Dan, Tom, if you don't mind because I really didn't go, for example, for pay per view, especially if it's a controversial pay per view, like see to twenty nine takes a little minute to get on the UC library day was right? Yeah. They're usually generally quite quick, otherwise turning it around. And by the time the fighter fights next. You can usually get get all their fights out to date. Right. And so now with the ESPN Eric starting in in our year here of twenty nineteen. We haven't had a fighter yet. Make a quick turn around the first one last year was Jimmy Stevens. When he did the do Choi. Josh Emmett's quick turnaround and beginning of the year. We haven't had a fighter like that yet. But we're right on the verge where we're ending the first quarter of the year soon. Right. So yeah, it's going to be happening soon. Guys, be interesting to see how they're going to aggregate. All these things will will the ESPN era fights turn up on UFC fight pass. Yeah. The fact that right right now. Thank ROY right now. Apparently, you can go you you go back and watch these ESPN fights on ESPN. Plus, I believe, but I think you have to like kind of navigate through the whole event just to get to the fight you want and something else people were bringing up the said, okay. If you're going to bring the bring it to the ESPN players can we change the player, you know, fight pass has some really nice things to their credit on their players. They're shifting second. There's a lot of these things or they have a chapter. We just grow below you can skip to get to where you wanna go a lot of time. And and ESPN plus has yet to do that. Obviously there an early app trying to hold them over the fire. But if they're making that our only option, I'll people would like to see those dress just weird because I is it just me or his anybody else. Else noticed that fight pass? Just doesn't get talked about even in these interviews, even when they're talking to Dana white about the big announcements and stuff. It's never. Okay. But what does this mean to fight pass moving forward? I feel like it's just like a quiet life thing in their back pocket as far as I would argue. I don't know their numbers, obviously. But even with just the pancreas E B I quintet, and I'm not sure if they still have the deal with titan fighting I would imagine that they have a handle on their streaming service. Even though they let go of Eric winner, which I believe is a big answer to your question of why we haven't seen promotion from impromptu, just it becoming a topic in the media sphere or the lexicon of may. But not only that I think they just have a handle on it guys. And I would argue that it probably turns a nice profit for them. And even though the bargaining power of that vehicle has diminished with all these deals in streaming platforms sprouting out, I think between their feet or organizations when you connect these dots to what they're streaming on their the prices probably really costing them at the end of the day. And we're we're pulling a lot of these talents for these Dana white contender series and. So forth. I think it's all a nice Arctic circle where they can just keep it in their back pocket. And even though it feels like we're going all in on ESPN guys. I feel like that fight past gonna stick around kinda Georgia's point, I guess, all right? Let's see what junky nation. Thanks again. The number to call in eight seven seven fight ninety three eight seven seven three four four four eight nine three. Let's start off with Showtime and Tennessee, what's up Showtime. It's yo time. Hey, what's going on fellow Showtime? Tom months? Yeah. Man. I'm sitting here thinking, you know, a guy like me. I I yes. Plus, the only got all this shit. So I hope it's the way that they can, you know, make I guess if you've got five fast if he has PM, plus it's the way that you get a little discount them both. And then I'm not saying junkie that pretty much. I'm going by every pay per view was I'm at all the weather working. I gotta buy. Know, my tablet, my my laptop. I got a couple of different ways. I watch it. When I'm on the move. So she had if I look up now how much money at the end of the year. But I don't know about you guys. What I'm laser in those something I wanna watch. It's like I kind of like I'm jinxing myself. If I don't watch it from my male. So I guess I'm gonna that sucker you know, that that God is what they do. You know, I'm still consuming the product, you know. I don't know how many people that they have that a loyal like that. But you know, I gotta admit I'm one of those. But I wanted to make a comment about this weekend. Five guys, I watched Dan, Tom listen to podcasts earlier that day 'cause I was up driving all night and coming towards the end man put, you know, put a nice little down on the doll, man. He closed it out. I was like shit. Nice nice. You're calling to get his address for his cutter with. I would I would I wouldn't mind that he just got a nice frosty. One next time you hear Showtime. But I'm glad you a glad that worked out for you sound like a lot of junkies. Took the shot on the train which was which was nice to hear. Oh, I took who I've found. Because that meant to be on his minutes Cup jockeys. I like to listen, I listen to George go out say about the, you know, Yarmuk out stout peaks and all that, and you know, John go gay, I kinda take into consideration. When everybody's saying. Then make my plays myself with you broke that fight down new spot. Oh, you said it was going to be you know, go to the season, but you'll break down with spot. Oh dance. You know, without looking I'm like, okay. Maza dollar has speed advantage. Even though you know, he's the small guy. I mean, it was waiting to be wrestling grappling bekker's business be fighting boxing. That's really in. Good, man. Oh, I appreciate that, man. But one thing I just wanna add on to that real quick. I don't know if it was was it on this show guys. I know sit on the podcast Showtime. But even though like I said the official prediction was by decision. I said this feels like awful lot. Like, I was talking about when a guy loses a title fight. He still gets a lot of rub even if he gets dominated. He goes to his next fight. They're gonna see a made the favorite and it felt like Dan hardy after Las GNP he goes back home in England against a a a widely maybe not known for knocking people out in Carlos Condit. And what did we see happen there? And it's kinda spooky how how how pair lows from that. That is to what we saw this last weekend. But but thanks for the shout on on the podcast Showtime. Thanks for the call. So the time we pre shoot him a, man. All right. Let's talk to cage side, Nick from Arizona. What's so case? I'd nick. Oh, man. I just chipping out on this to you know, you guys may junkie on YouTube and ski being exclusive. And it's just a big time hit for us guys on the stick trying to watch. And just eat a few is all I do. And as big time hit though on is. So by at a fight those crazy though with. Darren tale booking getting knocked out man at that. But good though or a method off though, that's that's that's a bomb though. They can't MRs guy can't play that. Especially what happened will the on Edwards after that. Just check yourself, basically. And that's what happens get checked into wrong stuff. Yeah. Pretty much. I could not tell and I wanted to ask the guys was MAs Vidal, right? Did did Leon put his hands up because it was kinda dark once Maza doll walked off the the little mini set there that they had for the ESPN interviews. So I really really couldn't tell you guys seen any other footage or your guys eyesight better in regards to what he was saying. I didn't really see hands go up. I thought them go up because he was getting punched. But if he did put his hands up, I would say Mazda has the quickest reaction and the history of the world because he punches pretty quickly. Did you? I didn't see it either. And you're right. It wasn't lit the way that the interview area was so it was a lot of it was off camera. Maybe and then he put them down camera. All's piece. Go ahead. I was gonna say camera doing his as well. Sorry. So kind of blurred our vision with goes, I it looked at the same time. Go George apologies. Thanks for the call. I was wondering was that three piece. Most of us think like, you know, KFC or Popeye's or something, and I guess a coke to go with it. But because it was in the U K was it fishing ships. And and a Cup of tea. Yeah. I guess it could be a Nando point. Yeah. Oh, man. I couldn't believe I could not believe that he did that. And I don't know what the repercussions will be. I am hoping that they just sweep it under the rug, but I can't lie to you all and say the Mazda fan in me is not coming out. And I know again, how how do you deter that from happening in the future? There's usually a punishment that goes with it. So I I haven't heard anything yet on how they're gonna figure it out. But speaking of bonuses, I did want to say this because we've yet to really dive into the card to deep fighter bonus went to mazal Darren till performance of the night went to Maza, and Dan e gay shot out to Dan EA from extreme couture thousand huge win for him over Danny Henry. There was sixteen thousand six hundred two in attendance at the two arena in London. And the tollgate was two point four million. If I'm not mistaken that was the biggest gate that the UCS had in London. And they've had quite a few shows. They're so good on them. I know we're going out to commercial I now, so let me just give you some of the other results of some of these other fights. So that we can. So you all will know these results are not I know a lot of didn't catch the events so Mazda all defeated their until the on Edwards in the combing event, defeated gutter Nelson. Dominic Ray is over Volk can't Ozdemir lots of controversy there Daniel would defeated. Jose Kenyon is Claudio Silva defeated Danny Roberts, Jack Marsh Mun defeated John Phillips via split decision there on the prelims Arnold Allen, defeated Jordan Rinaldi killed my partly by the way, Marc Dickie SE defeated Joseph Duffey subpar back sapphire off defeated nickel. Ally. Nigga nigga Moreno something like that Danny defeated. Danny Henry, Molly McCann, defeated Priscilla Cascio Atta and Mike Gundy, defeated nad Nari Mani, by the way, the McCann cashier sheriff. I was pretty entertaining. All right, folks. It's pay the bills time so listening to EMMY junkie radio on fire nation channel eighty three. Stay close. We'll be right back. Don't forget. Famers legend, the very best coverage of the fake games right here on Sirius XM's fight nation channel ninety three. The. Mike anytime soon. Currently in the Goshi as we're aiming for July. We'll see what happens. So I'm staying reading this morning. I was doing incline sprints on the treadmill on my program McGregor program. Stay in a hotel room. You know, so we're staying on it getting more as we go. Things in this cool voice. And they get paid to be lay. Here are gorgeous Georgia goes. That kinda McGregor gets around. First problems down in Miami this past weekend. Then he's in Boston giving a a pep pep speech to to the Boston Bruins before they go out and play a game of hockey, and that cut you just heard was McGregor as he told ABC seven TV in Chicago that he's in negotiations to come back in July. We all know that July is the month where the of C has their international fight week. They pushed for it to be the biggest card of the year doesn't always guarantee it, for example, last year UC to twenty six October six with hubby and Conor McGregor, but still outside of pay per view sales. They always try and stack it they fly a lot of their fighters in town. And that's when they have the hall of fame and whatever's left of the fan expo, but that's good news because. You know, we know wasn't gonna fight till the fall, we certainly didn't certainly didn't want Conard also not fight until the fall because that would put both guys at one year. These guys need to fight more often than one year in my opinion. And so I really really liked hearing that now he didn't really talk about who might be next. He just says he's in negotiations. But how about the fact that he was able to get that quick plug in on the Gregor fast program. He's he's genius. You gotta give them that is a genus when it comes to the plugs. Yeah. For sure that was pretty cool. I can't no hard people work to try and get this guy to talk on camera just one on one somehow able to get that clip. But I'm very curious to see about all these we've been talking a little bit more about like the things he does outside the cage how it affects us fighting career, dude. I honestly think outside of fighting starting to be more lucrative for that guy. He's looking to the future. Yeah. That's a funny thing. I was gonna say I'm not even worried about him as a businessman. I think we know. He's smart. I think we can even predict certain things that go said has outside of the cage Kirby more lucrative. The ironic part is at this point how much is how much of a fighter is he still, you know, martial arts. I'm not trying to see that in disparaging way to Clinton McGregor. But let's just kind of look at, you know, the obvious facts of the trouble he's been getting in but even the positive stuff. And I know there's been a lot more promoting a lot more. Let's just say timely tweeting guys whether it's the proper twelve runs of re tweets or him. You know, dipping his toe in after each UFC event in keeping on all those fronts, but I just worry like, where's he at as far as that fighter mentality? And not only that you know, he looks to be on the road. I'm not following too closely guys. But obviously there are certain legal days but being in Miami training training in hotels. I haven't been seeing him at this BG home, or even which is buddy go or with his buddy Gunnar Nelson who had a whole camp against the guy who was only an inch taller them Gregor and fought from this institute McGregor and fought from the south boss Nance boy without have been useful training partner for guys who were reportedly in several bowls far as helped me train. I'm not trying to pry or incite more gossip guys. But I just wonder when you connect all those dots. Where does that leave McGregor is the martial artist? I mean, I think for right now, it must be very tempting for him to continue to pursue all of the outside the cage interest. I mean, I'm sure that may whether pay day was a pivotal point in terms of that many. Taliban because it's awfully hard despite the amount of money that he still gets paid to fight you up. See when he does fighting UFC to all of a sudden, go fight for a much lesser pay day than you may just a few years ago, fight Mayweather, and some of this other stuff that you could do. I mean, it it not only probably seems financially lucrative. But it also probably strokes ego a little bit too, especially when you'd like to position yourself as a as a modern day businessman. What are you go could you possibly be talking about Khanna mcgregor's ego? But what I wonder though, just like I think it's always fair to ask the question. Just like I was asking about may whether on the show last week, hopefully all this is being managed properly because as as much as there is being made when it's mismanaged it. Sure can go away awfully quick and jet fuel for a private jet is very expensive, especially when you're using it to commute. So, you know, I do you guys think that at this point? Conor McGregor is established enough for the ages that if he didn't have another maybe more than one or two more meaningful fights in MMA that over the years. He could still be regarded as like a like, an Oscar de LA Hoya type or of may whether type for that matter somebody that could could continue to involve himself in businesses that depended on being connected to his combat sports stardom. I don't know. I don't say, no, I'm gonna say, no. But I'm gonna say he's getting closer. Yeah. I think he's close. But I think you're right goes, I that's why pose a question because I think he may if that's what he's thinking. I think it may be just a little bit premature for that. Well, I actually have an opinion on that Richard one guy that I you know, it shocked me, but I respect the ways been able to pull it off is shack O'neil when it comes to endorsements. So if so Conor McGregor. Already accomplished so much in our sport that he's a legendary figure for sure. You know, he from. I mean, look if you wanna talk about the fighting. He's he's been outstanding there. He's been a world champion one thing. He lacks, you know, obviously, the title defences, pay per view star. Hell, yeah. Ratings star. Hell. Yeah. King of smack talk. Hell yeah controversy. Hell, yeah. What el-? Yeah. You know? The guy has covered it all but. I think there's there's also reason why a lot of these fighters like Mayweather, maybe Rick flair. Maybe a, you know, Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson seems to have warmed up a little bit in the last few years. But I don't know that they were they were. Huge stars when it came to marketing and advertising. And I mean when they were when they were on they were you know, what I mean? Whereas second always been kind of like that teddy bear. And he's taking the approach where I'm all in with whatever it is that I'm promoting I want a piece of the business, and I'm gonna give you everything. And so he does is due diligence. So depends if Conor McGregor just going to be brazen and cocky, yeah, he'll be able to get away with some of the stuff while he's active. But when he's retired. I don't know that it'll transfer over guys that have kind of kept quiet and just been silent, assassins, and they've done more. They're talking through lifting trophies and things like that. Like, Michael Jordan cycle, Neil, whatever than they have a little bit more firepower post career. Yeah. I think through you know, business, and and all these things you guys are mentioning that actually could see him being successful in that regard as far as having his name out there. But there's also that again back to the the fighter martial arts. Whatever you wanna call it aspect of it were, you know, shack say what you will about shack. And believe me if anyone wants to bring negatives shack, you know, your boy here, we'll be shy. But no, honestly shack has a lot of great accomplishments kind of garnered him. Plus that character, you know. And you wonder where these parallels are going to be, you know, like, you know, for example, Jason mayhem Miller to Ricardo my orga-. You know, you'd see certain parallel there where the gimmick may get a little bit too much and you end up toward the later years. You know, and I'm not trying to pick on Jason mayhem Miller here. He's doing well. But I don't think he is. I don't think he is either. But I'm just kinda pointing that where we're where will McGregor, and I don't think he'll be on. I don't think he'll be that low in the more, my organs damn point. But I don't think he'll be the McGregor. Either will he'd be more like an Adrian Brodie or where he ended up getting his titles and his run. But and don't get me wrong. He'll have a much more historical stabbed mixed martial. Bernard as the boxing, but Brunner now, you kinda just hear him. He gets you get the big names. But you know, he's in legal trouble or as much news making much news out of the ring is used in the ring, you know, where does he fall there? All right. We gotta take our last break. You're listening to remain junkie radio on fight nation channel three when we come back. We will be talking to Frank MIR. Former U of C heavyweight champion who now is going to dabble in a new career is fighting carriers and done, but I saw an announcement this past weekend. He's getting into another field. We'll talk about that with him when we come back. Brand of sports dog is on Sirius XM fighting nation. Chia ninety three and streaming on your phone into on Sirius XM connected devices in free. Ears. It's amazing. Threes. And this one's George and that one's goes now feel their wrath. Fantasy sports radio is helping you win. No matter. What sport you follow? Listen for picks and advice the fell out your insieme a tournament bracket. And here the best fantasy baseball analyst giving you draft strategy player projections and interviews with the people closest to the game plus fantasy football talk every morning with the guru, John Hanson, weekdays at seven eastern, it's all happening on fantasy sports radio series to ten x seven and streaming on your phone at home on Sirius XM connected devices and speakers. All right. Our next guest is Frank MIR former U of C heavyweight champ current bell tour heavyweight by the way, I think is going to dabble in a new career this past weekend. If he fall him on Twitter, like I do I was checking it out at Frank MIR truth sports, let's talk about that. What's up? Frank. Welcome back to my junk radio. Good. Good, man. Thanks for joining us. Here got goes down with me. And of course, your partner from the phone booth fighting podcasts, Richard hunters. Well, so true sports. How long has been simmering and how excited you about? This new venture where you're going to be managing is they're going to be fighters or anybody in relations to the sport of mixed martial arts or even outside. Well. Because that's where my level of experience comes from. It's been had in the back of my mind, just obscene, people management fighters and was just feel like. It was just feel for the wrong reasons. You don't they? Contrary to get you a couple of five deal here expected percentage of what you provide. What are they really honestly doing for fun? Something to push your career help you out and assist. You to make the best possible step in at night to the fight. And some of always been purple giving advice in the wherever, you know, free to sit there and help guys out. I've thought about his way of trying to take over direct approach would have said it just kind of point that I direction actually grabbed him by the hand over. Are you ready to be that guy that that, you know? 'cause there are a lot of times when the fighter leans on the agent slash manager different types different times of the day or night. Whether it's advice or something just you know on fight week. You know, so many so many things can happen. Do you expect to be hands on or do you plan them building team that that's going to help you in? Are you going to be like more of a figurehead? I mean, obviously as far as kale social media. For example, is one but not my strong too sold on the funders of less than they need to run the program or ask questions on why or not, you know, the relative on their Twitter. Hopefully, I'll have some environment that you'll take the lead on it. When it comes to other assets sport, you know. You know to pick them why the fight. I think. More stands. How to experience topic? Respect, you more learn, hey, look, I think this because I did not do this. He's the circumstances result Titian because I didn't choose this past what I ran into this. Why watch this? You know, this is why is good ideal by I did this. And this was something that was a positive for me as why think you should also do that was wrong on both my I e the most benefit to the fighter Frank let me jump in here for we can hear you. We were able to understand everything. But there are times when you're getting a little bit toppy. Is there a better spot where you can take the next few questions? Give him saying half naked, Jim. Let's face time. All right. I'll tell you what I'll send it over to the guys in Vegas. But, but hopefully, it doesn't get to go ahead goes, what do you have a Frank? Frank. My question for you is the following. Can you give us an example of a model fighter somebody that that you just think would be great for you to manage and you would want all your other clients to be kind of like this person. And then can you give us an example of someone that you feel like maybe you can turn this person around and not saying that they're not being managed properly? You just see that they have more potential. Somebody's think doing right. I think the very thing right? He's somebody who's very successful inside of the night. Very relevant not finding. I that's a problem stakes plant sometimes do that. As an example of what I can tell putting the state set made in might quick in the past. I felt that all five that's all matters. Adults wanna do game between fight keep myself relevant. Keep my name out there. And at the end of the day if you're fighting and provide for your family and not take away from your training by having a secondary job. Those are the little things that matter the big picture on it, you know. So that's apple, you know, again of mistake that I made that I see how I can tell somebody. Hey, don't do it. My way it actually hurt me the long run. You know, Frank when you talk about. I was gonna say as far as parting in parting, your knowledge mistakes, and and being able to parlay, you know, impart that to somebody like you mentioned that because when I go back to watch WC footage, which is far less reason to go back these days, but when I do one of my favorite parts is listening to your commentary, and I know you've done commentary work with ACP and other organizations since then, but I've always thought that you do a great job, first and foremost, but you also provide references whether it's your own or other fights. So that, you know, whoever you're speaking to whether the audience or someone in particular, they can kind of better grasp that so let me ask you when researching clients in the future. Do you think you'll be going about it? Maybe like you'd go about fight analysis, but maybe you know, popping in a couple of their fights. And maybe starting from there. How do you go about that? No. I think actually I think that you know, every. So that fighter ever fighter the weekends. Having issues be the place in the best possible. Text when it comes to that comes to a concert. Whatever. Visit you put the an organization wants to fight the case. And you're trying might be one of and strike, but hey this here while you're building up your wrestling boxing dominate references as much in the boxy rang while you referenced gills are catching up on only find over here. So I think it's little things like that times managers. Don't look at it because themselves fighters, the how many managed, you know, of that have actually know how fight that no acting up the sport. Besides what anybody would know watching it enough times? I think it's intricate little details. Sometimes could be the difference. I mean last battle of inches, and I think that's one that I can actually, you know, really, focus. Frank, rich richer. Yeah. Writ? Frank Richard hunter here with phone booth fighting what what is Frank. What is going to be the one thing when you sit down the negotiate with a promoter that as a, you know, having the being a fighter yourself that you're going to the one they're going to try to pull over on the fighter. That's the oldest trick in the book, the one that you're gonna see coming a mile away that you're going to be like, no, I know exactly what you're trying to do. And you're not gonna be able to pull that one. Over on me, any anything come to mind from past mistakes early sing other fighters. Have it happen to them? The first thing comes to mind, promoters, very good at making you feel like worth any doing you favor by showing up and now that I've been on the side of then as a fighter, but especially. On saturday. Being very close to guys matchmakers watched how much of a commodity autre desperately needed. It's not that we need to promoters proposal, the fighters, and I think that promoters, especially like you see in general are extremely good at making you feel as the finder that pay man, you know, this looking to get you, and you should actually feel happy will this much. You're not even worth that be happy with the go home. And as something that I laugh at us to like this. I know how much you need those guys. I know that that's the product. You can't sit there and go I wanna be a Connor feels been in. But we don't need cars without the car biz. No, salesmen, without the fighter promotion. I don't know if Frank you were prepared to make the announcement today on the air, the Franks actually signed his his first fighter unders new management company. And it's me I don't know that a lot of new management companies would be automatically going after a no one amateur fighter, especially at the advanced age of forty eight. But I think that speaks to your vision Franken I wanted to give you a second to talk about that. And kind of see how you ask you. How you see guiding my career moving forward. Take risks sometimes things on paper only. But. Sometimes it's got to go with your gut. All right. Let's very concise. Come. The promotion make sure post way and that there's a vegan spread as well for my guy. Right. I think what I gonna do is. He's going to draw the line at any of my opponents being over six five. I think that's going to be the first commitment. We're gonna make. Yeah. Wanted what I was matched up. Jeez. Someone looking out for you. Yeah. I need somebody looking out for me. All right. Well, listen Frank whenever you get back from Canada. We'd love to have you and Richard comeback. And do a co host run with us. You you seem to be doing a lot. I know you're pro MMA career isn't over. I'm seeing that pro wrestling there might be a little bit of that we seen you do some submission wrestling late last year. So you're always keeping busy. So please come please come back to the studio sometime soon, we'd love to do a little bit more and see how things are going with truth fights. But but we appreciate your time right now, man. Appreciate it. Okay. We'll see. All right, folks. Keep an eye on truth sports. Use me not truth fights and follow. Frank on Twitter at the Frank MIR. So Richard you gotta get them on a variety or something. I don't know credit for working out if he's going to be my agent. We've got to have a good cellphone connection there. Yeah. Luckily, we're veterans we could we could kind of power through it a little bit. But it was right? As a as as my agent, I'm gonna require that he has his cellphone in his hand at all times. You know, like he's always ready to cut some big deal, which I noticed a lot of agents. Do the only thing he already has it in his hands. Just these always playing clash of clans on it. I think that's going to be a bad look. So I'm gonna ask them not to do. I don't have any demands that can make though I mean for right now, the top client, but that ain't gonna last very long. Also, no FaceTime, while he's getting changed that could intimidate the clients and a number of ways, you might be Senator visits. Good point in. Want to extend? Agean Bella is going to be as I clan, right or she's from she's probably a few years away. But she will quickly ascend to the that the top of the the priority list. No doubt at that point. I'll probably be retired. I only see myself in the fight game. Another maybe eighteen months. All right. All right. Well, we have to get on outta here. The yen keep a log on EMI junkie throughout because the guys did a really really kick ass job out there. Missy I believe it was abbey Simon so Abby hand Simon had Jon Morgan. And I believe they said there was a cameraman was was that a gentlemen named per from Holland. Yet. We had him a couple of times they're working with. Yeah. Yeah. So great job those really really great for some out there. And of course, back home, the guy's hustling, you know, we're going to be talking a little bit more this week about newest addition that we have on MMA junkie. So keep it locked on him and may junkie and go to go to the front page to find out more news on the UFC their exclusive deal with the SPN. Plus when it comes to the pay per view game. If you are an Americano, then you order yourself, some paper views will guess what you're going to be ordering them through ESPN, plus save five bucks. But there's a lot more to unpack there for Richard. And Dan, and Josh and goes George have a nice day. Go out there be a champion.
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I have to ask I might as charter we've got something a little different in store for you this week. I was in Portland last week talking to Leon Nayef off and Andrew Parsons two guys behind the slow-burn podcast, which I'm sure a lot of you have listened to. It's a slate podcast. The first season was about Watergate, and Richard Nixon the second season was about Bill Clinton in the Lewinsky scandal, and it's a fascinating podcast. If you haven't listened to it, it's eight episodes. It goes into a bunch of things about the nineties that I certainly didn't know about that. I think a lot of people don't know about they talked to some incredible incredibly interesting people for this show. There's an interview with one eight abroad directors and interview with Linda Tripp they didn't incredible amount of research, and they produce just amazing eight episode narrative podcast. So I was in Portland with them doing an event, and we were at a auditorium somewhere in Portland. I do not know Portland. Well, but it's a lovely city. And so what we are going to play for. You is a portion of that event with me talking. To them about how they created this podcast what it's like to try and put something like this together. It's so different from a lot of the podcasts. Late runs certainly very different than this podcast. And also just talked to them about how they look back at the nineties. Now what they think about the Clinton scandal. What it was like talking to-? Juanita broaddrick all this stuff. So give listen, I think it's really interesting, and we will see you next week with new content about the election results. We are going to come back a day or so after the election and do a complete rundown of everything that happened. And so come back, then thank you. So I think people here have probably seen movies or read books or seen TV shows about how news articles come about about. How journalism written journalism comes about? But I don't think we've seen or heard a lot about how podcasts are made. Which is what I'm interested in tonight. So first question for you guys, and you can choose how to answer it is. Once you have an idea for slow-burn season two you've already done season one. How do you put this thing together? How does it start? Gotta read a book. A lot of looks. Well, you got to start with one, right? Season. One two we both sort of went into our separate corners and read like a well-chosen like omnibus version of the story like whether I think maybe it was two book that we read I or maybe it was Ken Gormley book that doesn't American virtue. Just one book that tells the whole story from beginning to end that we can then sort of start slotting into an outline where I think we just as alluded to earlier we decided for some reason that we were going to eight episodes, not less and not more. And then the challenge sort of figuring out a way to divide up. The time lime in a way that made sense and also kind of create opportunities for cliffhangers and opening scenes. And now. To sit on their shoulders and watch all these events go by that could be sort of slotted. And each each episode. How do you divide up the work though were pretty naturally? I would say I mean, we have just different skill sets and different responsibilities in the show. I would say that early stage like we're both kind of doing very similar sort of reading and workshop and sort of figuring out what that one would will be and Leon's probably doing a little bit more of that. While I'm at the same time digging into the archive and trying to find as much as may archive sources as possible. And as the season goes on I think the the shape of each individual episode falls a lot more than Leon because the production is picking up on my end on just like piecing together. The episodes scoring them doing the sound design. Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna say that one thing Andrew does early in the process with each episode is create what's called a cut sheet, which is just basically a a catalog of all the archival footage that he has found at the library of congress on the C-SPAN website. NBC news. What do you call them reels? No, the screeners we'll ask for a bunch of just like raw material from specific dates, and like, do you have give us everything James Carville said, you know, these six months that was like crazy about Ken Starr? So we can sift through it. And so then you write a script or do you write like something that we would recognize as a piece of long form journalism? And then you're reading it on the air. How does that work? Yes. So it's a script. But it's funny because we do we do we do post transcripts now. And I'm curious whether anyone has read the transcripts in hasn't heard the show, and what that experience is like, but I mean, it's a different kind of piece of different genre writing, obviously. And so I had to learn when I started doing season one how to write scripts, and I remember very distinctly the moment when I started writing the Martha episode I turn to my wife after a couple of hours or days. And I was like I don't know what to do. This like I've been in print journalism for ten years. But I've no idea what this is supposed to sound like, and I thought maybe like the move would be to just kind of sketch out little movements or sections, and then just go into the studio and kind of extemporaneously. Pretend like I was just telling a story too, my friend at a bar, and that really didn't work, man. It really sounded like I was talking to myself alone at a bar fair to dig give you a lot of sample scripts and like. A lot of initial ones that came back you sort of put like a big chunk of what just writing in audio from interviews. We didn't things like that that you thought sound good don't be like three minutes of talking and then like one line from Leon. So there was like a lot of give and take on sort of the craft of writing in and out, and I will say for the Martha the interesting thing about producing that versus the the first season versus the way, we do it now is with the Martha episode most the archive was just me trying to figure out where I could weave it in and out after Leon had sort of read the script because they were basically, no interviews in that. Episode. And now there is still some of that there's still sort of like taking a large portion that leeann Reddin sort of breaking up and seeing what I can we even out? But there is a lot more of Leon finding that opera. Those opportunities for himself as he's writing one of my favorite parts of the process is getting the rough cut of an episode for the first time and hearing all these gems that Andrews found that I actually haven't heard yet. And hearing them in context is just such a really? Unforgettable feeling the other thing that was interesting, which you were talking about backstage was that you were airing the early episodes before you'd finished the later episodes. And I'm wondering you're getting feedback. You're hearing from people that's different than when you publish a piece of. So what was that like and did that change? How you did it in any way. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely kind of ratchet up the pressure. Certainly. I mean, if only because you know, we took our I think for for season one we had three months before between when we started researching and when episode one came out and for season two we had five months between when we started researching episode one came out, and then you take on the two months during which the eight episodes are coming out and those two months are intense because we're not done with those besides and you've got to finish them because they got to come out on a schedule. And so, yeah, of course, we're reading Twitter and all that. And so it's hard to in my mind separate out. What is the decision? I make based on Twitter. Hopefully, there's onto many of those. But you know, I'll give you one example like with eight of in two we decided to make it about one abroad Arik and her the role that her story played in the impeachment proceedings before the cavenaugh stuff happened, and it was like in the middle of that process that that accusation surfaced and suddenly. We start seeing the sort of parallel story unfold on in the news, and we didn't have to change a whole lot sort of emphasize the parallels or draw attention to them the kind of were just there. But I definitely thought about it. And you know, again, that's not that's not exactly refunding feedback. But it is bonding to the world as it happens. And the one thing that was really nice at least I know that this happened season to season one we were able to put some of this late plus material. Was fed from people like feedback like that family that scrapbooked water. Like you brought in for I think that was the plus what seven or eight. Yes. So there was I was at a party, and I was talking to this friend of a friend who had never met before. And she said, oh, you know. I think told about the show and she citing party companion. You are. Yeah. And she said, oh, you know, my my parents were obsessed with my dad was upset and my dad and has been siblings obsessed with Watergate hearings, and she showed me her phone these photographs of scrapbooks that the family had made. And so I like gotta give me their contact formation. And so we got them into the studio and interview them about it. And actually, I didn't tell you this. She emailed me recently was like listen, I'm season was already over. Unfortunately, was I'm so sorry. I wish I could have had thought of this earlier while you're still working on this. But my older sister wrote this amazing essay when she was in second grade about Monica Lewinsky. And it was truly I experienced pangs of regret that I couldn't do mere plus sowed where I talked to her sister about the Lewinsky scandal, what was one challenge or difference between this season and the Nixon Watergate season, the first would be access to the Clinton world with Watergate, it's pretty much set history. I think the only people that are pretty vocal about protecting Nixon are like, Pat Buchanan, and maybe that's it. But with the Clintons there a lot of characters in the story that Donald Leyla, for example, who is secretary of health and human services who we had we were able to get some oral history of her, but she's running for congress and isn't going to have a sit down with us and give us a lot of information. So that'd be the number one. The number two is that the ending? We right away. Saw that. There wasn't really a good resolution like Nixon step down. And we saw that it could potentially be anticlimactic. If we take a different approach ships at eight. Yeah. The thing is real good. Because I find it quite funny. That would happen was we asked for interviews with certain people, and they either didn't get back to us or said, no. And then we discover this oral history that someone of the Miller center had made and we Email them. Hey, do you guys ancients have the recordings of this eggs? They had published the transcripts. We asked what they had the recordings and go sure like what are you? What you need. And so we were able to use them even other people themselves didn't negative interviewed. I'm curious about two interviews. You did for this one with Linda Tripp and one with one to broaddrick. What you made of them from the interview how they were different than maybe when you've been researching them and come across them as historical figures. What what those interviews were like. Well. Linda tripp. Was a human being that was like the most surpri. I mean, it wasn't surprising. I know she's a human being. But it was it was in a way was jarring. Have this like? Abstract figure who had been carrying around in my head since I was a kid in front of me Andrew is there too. Like inter house. Like, we're like eating sandwiches that she made for us. It was real. It was Frank was real and especially because she's also she looks super different than she did back then. And so in a way, there was this sort of it didn't feel like she was a different person than the one. I had been imagining and what we had imagined in sort of. What was you know? You know, everywhere. Nineteen ninety it was like a pretty huge villain. That was vilified. I think even in her most conspiratorial, even in her moans where like she's clearly an unreliable narrator and clearly have to do more fact checking she still had a warmness that surprise me. It was very easy to like her. Honestly about one eater Broderick. I just want to ask because I think were there's this weird thing going on now where at one level Bill Clinton's flaws look very small compared to what we're seeing every day when we open up the newspaper at the same time. I think a lot of people are reexamining aspects of Bill Clinton, certainly a lot of people on the left liberals Democrats. So I'm curious in that light what you made of speaking to one eight Broderick, and I know you cover this extensively in the show. But just what you think of her accusations now twenty years later, and how you think about the former president I guess more than twenty years since what she says occurred occurred, but somebody. I mean, I, you know, as you say this on the show, but it's it's. It's hard to process because. If you take her at her word, then it's sort of overshadows everything else, you can talk about gray areas about so much so much of the story. So much of the way we approach the story in the show is about grey area grey areas, but you know, a rape is rape. I mean, it's like there's nothing to talk about if that happened in like what room is there to have any meaningful debate about anything. And so in that sense. Like I was scared of that story going going into the season. I knew about her allegations. I think not I hadn't known about them very long. I think I learned about them during the twenty sixteen election. I read about them in a BuzzFeed story by Katie Baker who interviewed her in her story was headlined. Juanita broaddrick wants to be believed. And I just didn't know how you're going to deal with it. Frankly, I just you know, because you put it at the end, you're. You end up undermining is the wrong word, but you end up overshadowing everything else. So I I was relieved to learn how intimately or inextricably inextricable that heraldic were from the ending of the story that we that would have been sort of. Natural right. The impeachment process Senate trial, like the fact that those two things actually were together in in history that we didn't have to we didn't have to have a creative solution to create. We didn't have to create. We didn't have to shoehorn her allegations into the ending her allegations actually was part of the ending. So that was a great relief to me because I think it took a certain burden off of us. I mean, I think that the the question sort of. Doesn't answer does ask like what? Whether we think is credible. At least I think I think it is a very credible, or at least what the contemporaneous accounts in verifications. I think there there were some stories that the we've seen that try to. Argued different theories other ways that but just as far as like genuine reporting goes, they're far less credible. And I think that if you take that face value, then you just have to follow it the uncomfortable conclusion, which is a gray area. It is as Leon said something that's really hard to put together in your mind. And it's I think as anticlimactic as just ending on quibble could be it wasn't that was anti. But it also didn't come to this need conclusion that you could have rapid nice boat around. That's okay. What did you make of interviewing her? What did you come away with anything? Well, I mean, as I sort of alluded to at the end of the episode like her public persona at this point is quite caustic. If you look at our Twitter feed, he's railing against immigrants and saying that the children being separated from their parents at the border aren't really their children who really knows. Says awful things on Twitter, and then you talked to on the phone. She's the sweet lady who. Sounds like, you know, just a gentle like warm person. And I don't know it's very hard to kind of wrap your mind around how that can be the same one individual. That was my experience that interview I was surprised to like her in the same not in a very different way than I was surprised to like, Linda Tripp completely different situations. But yeah, just like the person who's writing those tweets, I couldn't couldn't hear her at all. And how she spoke to me. We're in a stage now where they're seemingly giant scandals bigger than maybe not bigger than Watergate. But bigger than Clinton Lewinsky every day, it seems like I'm wondering if you think any of the scandals now would make a good slow-burn episode. And why or why not or things kind of too big and too crazy? I'm not saying tomorrow, we need to take some time. But is there something about the Trump era that you think would do well in the framing of slow burn or or you think we're in a different stage now and. Looking back to the past is the only way to do it. I think looking back to the passage definitely as far as what makes Lokeren slow-burn, that's an element of it. A previous history I worked at what used to say the passes a foreign country, just because the cultural mores gut reactions people have the motivations behind. But even average people do are so different than twenty two hundred years in the future. And I think that you definitely need would need some removal to totally understand the Trump era. I think they're Leon maybe has some specific suggestions, it seems like there are there's a never ending list of events throughout the Trump era. That would make a good episode. I think a hard part would be actually capturing it as a whole because I think you could zoom in on any one thing, it seems really strange and really bizarre. But I think that the number of them that sort of pass before is every day is actually what makes they're more. Bizarre. And I think that that is hard from storytelling angle. I mean, I in so far as part of the formula for slow-burn is focusing on the peripheral characters, you know, and trying to kind of nibble around the edges of the main narrative. Everyone's a privileged character in the story except for him. Right. I reference Scaramucci in episode one season one sort of said like we're probably not gonna remember this guy in twenty years. We barely remember him. Now. They're all scared, which is like the these are all people who people will vaguely remember. And I think for for reunion tour in twenty years like we're gonna have allowed to we're gonna have a lot to work with though, I will say that like, I'm you can tell night answering your question because I can't think of one thing because there as Anderson there's so many, and I have this problem. I guess like where my bad memory. And I always think to myself I should like I should keep a journal. I should be writing down. What I what I what happens in my life life you'll longer, and you know, I can read it later and remember, and I think with the news is the same thing. I mean, I think if I wanted to do a great job of doing a slower and season on the Trump era, it'd be taking notes like Peter Baker did bless him keeping a journal during during reporting on product that he was able to read to us. And that happened like off the cuff, by the way, we had moved back to get him to describe a little bit more of the conversation. He had on the phone at one eighty Rodrick just because he sort of passed it by during the interview initially, and he paused and said, they can can you guys hold on a second, and he took out his laptop and just a few minutes. He like just had his journals from nineteen ninety eight from twenty years before just there to redo us which made into the episode. I think the most notable was when he said like, oh my God Okade explanation. I got. But but yeah, I mean, that's that is like a good. That's a good primary source. I think and I wish I was doing that now, and I'm not, and I think, you know, if if in twenty years, I to try to look back at the Trump era in the way that I look back at Nixon and Clinton like I would have to do the research just like anyone else. Like, I wouldn't be able to draw in my memory at all. Thanks so much guys for coming to the show the great audience. Thank you is could be here. We'll hang out over here. And that's our show for today. I have to ask is produced by max Jacobs. Our theme music was composed by chase special. Thanks to topa Ruth Northgate studios here in Berkeley, given idea for guest or you just want to let me know your thoughts. You know me at ask. It's late dot com. That's AS K slate dot com. You can also follow me on Twitter at I charter for information about the show.
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