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Sklarbro Country: April 30, 2020 - Dumb Richard Hamilton

Dumb People Town

30:02 min | 1 year ago

Sklarbro Country: April 30, 2020 - Dumb Richard Hamilton

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This show is give you a half hour of your day to just not think about difficult things make fun of people and enjoy just basically us just being silly and this is what we like to do. We've really enjoyed getting in the groove of doing this thing for you right. Yeah and I think that you know I think about my life in this pandemic I think about how I feel when I can't go to sleep at night. Yeah last night. My son woke me up at one in the morning because You ever just get tired of parenting. And you're like I'm out your Scottie Pippen. You don't put me in. Don't Migraines Migraine. I'm like I can't operate right now. It's ten thirty. My son. Sleep is nowhere in his near future. Abro out I'm out. I'm done I. I've parenthood yourself to bed. I put yourself to bed. I've parented I've given my full parenting allotment for the day. Trying to kill a major penalty a ten minute penalty right five on three three hockey penalty and saw Mike. I'm out so I I lay down and at one fifteen in the morning. He wakes me up He's like I can't sleep and I'm like did you sleep at all like in my mind. I'm like he hasn't slept at all so now tearing into a lesson about how he's on electronics to mind. Yeah but I come back to bed and I can't sleep right now. I'm a hundred percent awake. Of course you can't sleep and I sat down and I listened to a podcast Diago and that calmed me to a point where because my mind started racing I started going through all the pandemics all the issues that keep us up and now we have more. There's more fuel on that fire but I a podcast is. What brought me down to go down to earth and we hope that's what we're doing with this thing for you so we start out today with a little quick story. Listen I get it. Some people. Don't have it in them to go to work. These days I get it. We feel that way too. There are moments where on Mike. I can't do it. I'd just like right now. You work at both trader Joe's and a record store and if trader Joe's started selling records you'd be in that section judging people's Choices Rhody for The Margarita Ville Guy. Jimmy Buffett. All right the Margarita Ville Guy. That's why I'm calm. Jimmy Buffett Jimmy Buffet. Remember this is not nice but remember when he fell off the stage. Did you ever see him? All on live around the tipped He literally fell off the stance. All right There are ways to call in sick to work. And then there's what this guy did I would file this under what this guy did as not great Palm Beach. County Sheriff's deputies. Of course Florida arrested thirty six year old Richard Hamilton in charge with making a false threat. Richard Richard Downton was seventy six years old like the old leather guy. Now that can tell that someone else Amazon Hamilton Richard Hamilton. Are you shine? Think that's Richard Hamilton. Who is the guy who were the face mask? Who went to UCONN and Richard Hamilton? That's Richard handed. Down Is Different Pistons shutting. Yeah I bet. Richard Hamilton is probably from the Pistons. He's probably around thirty six years old. I know forty-five Joking Richard. Hamilton isn't a final. He's at least forty sec forty six years old. He's forty three. He's like six or seven years. Otto League okay rip. Hamilton was in. Those Pistons. Team was on the Piston teams from look. Look at look at how old is how old is he. Was He born? Look to the right. It says his age right down there. it says that he is forty two. I was right not that much older. Okay but I feel like six years younger than us. And he's whatever I close to this guy okay all right different thirty six dumb. Richard Hamilton from Florida decided to work. That's right according to the arrest reports deputies investigating the call determined that Hamilton was the caller who called in a bomb threat. Oh come on and continue. They continue their investigation at eleven hundred. Wellington trace and evacuated twenty people from the building. Why were those people still work? Yes seriously like you should be evacuated. He's doing them a favor with a bomb threat. You should not. No one should be a work appear. No one should be threatening Bil- let let's if you're going to drop bombs let it be in the toilet right. Apparently someone called me and bomb threat a bomb threat and the building had to be evacuated. Deputy surveys said they found a vendor in the area. He told them. Hamilton was one of his employees Hamilton. Until deputies he'd lost his phone according to the rescue You know I look. I don't know where my yes so. I'm not denying that a bomb threat was called in number. But it was not my phone. I mean it. Probably my phone got hacked. What voice was it my on a different vote? I phone got. He's tried to a British accent. What what phone is this? What does ace is pretty weird right? Is We raise weird isn't it? What finding I vow zone is this? Not Quite sure why is so. He lost his phone. Somebody who wasn't me picked it up new my lock screen code. This is probably what this is innocent. His lock screen right called in a bomb threat then. Didn't steal the phone. Just let it for me in an area where I could then go back. That's totally checks out that story. Sure as hell probably someone sounded like me tried to do. My imitate me and ruined my life with this. Because they've studied my voice so well this is clearly an inside job. Yeah this is. This is the kind of thing where someone who there are. A lot of nothing from all of this stuff. What you don't understand there. There are a lot of incredible mix in this area. This is mimic central here. A mimic took my phone. You the best Mimic Amendment took my phone and call it a bomb threat as me just to get me in trouble and then I found my phone. Years is a hairstyle. I'd like to Mimic Pam in so. I thought nothing happened with my phone while it was lost. That's what I thought. I thought nothing happened to it but apparently all this stuff went down so you could imagine my surprise. This is like that when I saw guys pets. That's right after search. What happens to our phones when we put put him down. Who knows after searching the area of Hamilton's car slash house deputies say the suspect admitted to them that there was no bomb and he made the call because he was having a bad day wanted to get out of work. Okay so now. It's just a tiny twist of the army's got I made the call but it's not the way he said. I'm having a bad day. Is that what he said? So he probably said look. I lost my phone and I don't know what happened to it and maybe someone called in a bomb that they're like can we search your car and he's like okay. I did it. There is no bomb. There's no about like he turned so fast over so fast witness you say I think I had a fever. I started. Get some chills. This what you start to say to them right. I'm not in my right mind. I may have done this but it might have been fever dream. No one's GONNA WANNA be around you at that point not saying. Blame it on cove. I'm just saying you could go that route and maybe make it less bad. No you can't make it less bad you just being extra careful. You don't even possibly get anyone at work. Threat throws people into such a day. Usually I take that seriously. You cannot look as you said I think I may have symptoms and I wanna stay home because I don't want to infect anyone at work. Who's going to get mad at you? How can anyone get upset and get mad at you if you just say that? Even if you're lying because you don't want everyone I know is begging to go to work. How bad is this guy's work situation? That people are like Wolf. These still working. It's not good. I guess. Well then he should call them up and say look. I'm calling the better business bureau on this place while other be here. Bomb threat though as soon as the threat is extinguished. You go back to work. This is like too bad plan. You don't know how to fix the situation but you try anyway. That's right you. We have to as people acknowledge when Randy and I were eighteen years old. It's a summer On our way to University of Michigan Summer Between High School and college we were to gas stations to separate gas stations. 'cause they wouldn't let us work at the same one because I guess they thought that blood was thicker than gas. If I saw you stealing gas I wouldn't tell people that you were telling the truth is I I would. I definitely wouldn't I spent a whole summer. And we've talked about this another podcast. There was a sprite under the cap game played a contest and under the CAP game like idiots. They didn't realize that sprite is a clear drink. You can hold it up like this and see if I would just go look under all the avalon. You would win a free soda a free sprite. So I'm like who am. I heard nobody. I'm just winning. I'm hurting all the people who are coming to the gas station hoping they're GonNa win free sprite but you know what I'm stuck at. This gas station will randy one time. There was a small grease fire on a on a versus was it was summertime in Saint Louis. One hundred ten degrees. We're wearing pants. I'm sweating bullets. There was a this guy came up in like a nineteen eighty four Toyota like herself. Impresa tercel or super is like a car. They don't make anymore and you open up and he. He's the verse. All he order is a packed. Rush-hour there's all these people. They're emits a full-service gas station. And you're the one outside. I want to do it. All the cars right. The Guy who's supposed to be working with me booger that was his name inside. So He's let me take the whole rush which socks. There's a whole lines of cars everywhere. I'm trying to get everybody. This guy asked for five dollars worth of gas super unleaded super unleaded dumb car. Five dollars to check his oil and add some stuff to his oil. So I'm trying to do this. I've got other cars. Go in I go put turn the gas on. I run over and I didn't even grab a funnel. I just grabbed the oil and I pour a thing of oil and you're supposed to have a paper funnel so that none gets on anything else. It's hot all of a sudden a little bit. Maybe spilled on the valve cover gasket officer and start smoking and I'm looking over this looking over. Its smoking and then all of a sudden I see flames. Shoot out now. We are right next to fifteen thousand gallons of gasoline up blame shootout so this is dummy me because I don't know what the Hell I'm doing. I start blowing on it. The that's that is when you don't know a solution you do. What you think is right. What you think is right is always the exact wrong thing to do. I blow on it. And it spreads the oil around so it's basically spread the fire out. Jesus Christ now on fire people water on it. I poured water on it which spread it even further the dumbest thing you can possibly do keeps fire and at this time that those a fire on this guy's car he's out people are out of their cars and they want to run away. Yeah because the whole thing could blow sky high. I hear his gas click. Which means I didn't stop at five dollars. I it all those right like twenty dollars the guests so I don't know what to do. Booker sees the fire. He comes flying out of the garage which should have been out in the first place. He comes flying out of the garage with a fire extinguisher with a fire. Extinguisher blows and extinguishes. The fire putting a huge cloud of extinguisher stuff that covers up everything. Just by the fact. That of you calling it extinguishers tells you. I don't know what it is even after working for. I don't know extinguishment. He puts it on there and all of a sudden huge plume of extinguish extinguisher. Smoke and fall out and all that stuff and it's a huge cloud. No one can see anything. People are coughing it goes down. He has put the fire out. Everyone is standing. And they're all looking around and looking at me and I'm looking at this guy and I just turned to everybody. I was like who's next there. You go so that story proves that when you think you know the solution but deep down you have no idea what the solution is. Don't do the thing that you think you should do. Because it is the wrong thing. It's probably GonNa be there often. Think about it before you actually ask. This dummy didn't want to go to work. Yeah called in a bomb threat. Let me call a bomb threat. That's an easy thing. No one's GONNA get hurt. I don't actually have shown no we're all good here right. Wh- what what what's wrong? What could possibly go wrong. I'm threatening anyone's let you are. You are actually threatening. Someone's life by doing something. Hamilton was released on bond on on Friday to achieve replied. This is the bomb and then they put him back in for another hour just giddings. He should be sentenced to thirty days. He a bad joke like that. But that would have been classic. Richard Not rip not leathery Richard Hamilton. Action of something thinking. He's doing something but he's not doing it all right. That's our first story. We're GONNA take a little break. We have a great voice mail from our friends at Mega. That is such a good podcast so this is our podcast recommendation. For every day we try to throw you a good one and listen to this. Is One of the best improvised podcast out there? These are some of the best improvisers second city. Alums these are the guys who improvise Shakespeare. Its top top. Tier improvisers doing an unbelievable podcasts. About a mega church in a mega church. It is hilarious. If you're not listening to get on it right now. It's called Mega. And they'll have to savoys mail then we'll go to break and we'll see on the High School Arbroath. 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Watch it cheap seats enjoy arch? We go to next. You can always count on people in Florida to get pissed about the wrong things right by the way Nice Haircut. Thank you Got Home Cut. Hominid home cut my hair so now my hair so fluffy I need a home. Cut Her now. People are GONNA get pissed. They're going to but there. A lot of times to anger is going to be directed at the wrong thing. If you're always always always though probably screw up what they should be pissed about at least take this seventy four year. Old Angry Man on April twentieth angered that a group of golfers were it says was violated is a group that was that was appropriate. That a group of golfers was violating rules on but doesn't sound right. I know it's right. It doesn't sound right violating rules on the course adjacent to his home. A seventy four year old Florida man allegedly threatened the players with a BB gun. Oh come on prompting the Septuagenarians arrest Friday evening on six felony charges. Six felony charges. So he's probably mad that they were gathering the owl as shelter and we try to be a safe society. There is no golf on a golf course. Gulf is not in his central activity. Although I would argue that I love golf. I do too but it's not a still not essential. I still don't think you have to do it. So this guy really mad right. Let's continue according to the cops John Robert or initially shouted at the golfers for driving their car over a bridge onto a putting green at the Eighth Hall of the Conservatory. Course on the palm coast the hundred ninety nine yard par three hole features and island green and is touted as the quote signature hole of the Tom Watson designed course so Tom Watson design courses and much is Jack. Nicholson Nicholas Nicholas. Nicholson Never Jack. Jack Nicholson ever design. Of course although going back to our youtube page YOU GOTTA. Watch super dog supervised because our buddy Dave Allen Gruber plays Gil Guy Leflore. They've Alan Gruber Gruber Dave Dave Gruber Allen. Dave Gruber Allen did a He played guide leflore. Who is a floor guy? He played geilo floor. Dial Geilo for spell exactly like dealer for break other floor. Who was a dog? A superbug super jocks course obstacle course designer yes he said my name is Guy Leflore meaning man of the floor So you're GonNa Watch that so get so. You're not allowed to drive your car over the bridge and onto these signature green because it's just the green over there. You're supposed to stop your thing. Walk over PUTT. And then that's it if you make it onto that greenall or you're going to damage the Green Fine John Robert or is so right that we should be putting all of our effort into protecting the eighth hold. The conservatory looking troubled time. He's there's federal money that he can use that. The golf course can get to build a fence or put all you need or two of those Metal Poles. That are close enough that a car can fit. That's it or lives in a home. That backs up to the whole the all right so now. We know what this is real. The residence is separated from the chorus by cement wall and water. That's rounds agreed. So I'm sure he gets a lot of balls in his yard and then he gets if you golf balls to one of the golfers told police that or yelled at them to leave. The course and that use of the golf cart in that manner was against regulations. Again getting mad at the wrong thing. Is this like time on his time. Look seventy four years old. You're probably done with your give. A Shit about the rules of their image. They're gathering in the end of April at the beginning of. May they don't care about your cart on the green. They're playing golf today. You care. Yeah why do you care? They don't care about their own lives as opposed to the eighth Hole Signature Conservatory Course Green. They're going to drive their carts up and down right up to the flag. They're probably GONNA PUTT while sitting down in the car. Ride by like Golf Car Paulo. That's what it is not stand up. I guarantee they're going to do that. Yeah or then. Allegedly went into his home and grabbed a firearm and pointed at the six golfers each of whom said they were in fear of their lives. That had to be a good feeling though for or because he's like I tried. I was nice. They didn't listen. I'm GONNA pointing out kind of on his side here. Except he's mad about the wrong thing firearm brandished by or cops. Charge was a winchester. Bb Gun rifle a winchester. Bb Gun. Is that a thing but winchester was a guy from Mash. Why does he a BB gun? What does he seven years? Old In nineteen fifty two. I don't get it yeah. It is an odd thing. He wants to look tough. Yeah but he doesn't want to actually do damage. She doesn't want to actually kill someone. Look I'd rather it was a BB gun laws of well. It could cause a very lodge under the skin and it caused a very bad infection. Shoots him in the butt vacations. The truth is that like there is no way that I no one has ever had a mass shooting with a BB gun. So okay with this guy owning bb guns all right. We're all right with that in the video and photos taken by one of the golfers or is reportedly seen holding the weapon in an upright shooting position toward the Golfer during the police questioning though or said that the golfers had drove their golf cart onto the bridge and they drove it on the putting green. They did you mean they had driven yes. They had drove it over again course. Rules should be that. No one should be playing golf right now. That's course rules not don't drive it up on the thing but no one should be playing. That's all the problems we have here. If you are not allowed to play golf right or said that after arguing with the golfers he went inside his home and unsuccessfully sought to contact courses golf rangers there is no way he called the ranger at that point and probably the ranger was at home. Because you're not supposed to be working right now right. You're saying that the ranger wasn't at work right because no one should be at. We're no one's at work and then also yeah. That wasn't your first option. I'm sorry then Said that I'm sorry you know why no. That's not your first option because the time it takes them to drive over the thing to thing and they'd be gone they're gone you went in. You went in your lying. You're lying through your dumb seventy four year old team. Floridian teeth or said that he would you have said then he went inside with his got his air rifle in continued the verbal altercation asked if he had held the rifle in an upright shooting position or aimed down the sites towards anyone or replied that he could not remember meeting that he totally. Yes that'd be I can't remember you did. That's one hundred percent code for A. Yes did that also. I don't recall. I can't remember our code for this is what I'm going to say to to get myself out of incriminating myself. But one hundred percent I remember in one hundred percent. I also could not recall his intentions. When retrieving the rifle. You know. Yeah oh I didn't know what was only that he did not appreciate the way the golfers were shouting back at him and his wife. So now his wife's invol- your wife here couldn't remember his intentions. By the way this did not happen in the nineteen sixties. Yeah this is licensed face down at the Korean War. Yeah no we don't remember that. How many times do you pull a BB gun on golfers that this is a blur from all the other times says remember that this is like three how much people drive up on the eighth grade? This is like five days ago. I can't be expected. Maybe he's got a memory issue all right after or turned over the BB rifle to the Police he was arrested on multiple counts of aggravated assault with a deadly. Weapon is data deadly weapon. I don't think it is it with the intent. To Kill and a felony that should be perpetrating. A deadly weapon but still I kind of. Bb Gun is not a deadly weapon. That can't be true that it's a deadly weapon but still I kinda liked that. They're giving it to them as like. We're GONNA hold you up as an example was booked in the county jail From from which he was released on Saturday afternoon upon posting bond they should made him fill out all of his paperwork with a tiny pencil with no racer yes just to kind of stick it to him a little golf a little golf reliable. Little Golfer. My glasses like an old man. Seventy four years old has to read all all paperwork and fill it out on your help and if you do it wrong you start over again go back in jail jail and start over on the start over on the thing and you have to watch people drive up and down the course. Yeah there does there you go. That's a show you guys. I hope you enjoyed it. 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The Beatles' White Album: the band, the artist, the dealer. Plus, art in Dubai

The Art Newspaper Weekly

1:00:46 hr | 3 years ago

The Beatles' White Album: the band, the artist, the dealer. Plus, art in Dubai

"Yeah. East coast to you in this OC with Bonhams auctioneers since seventeen ninety three with expertise in more than sixty categories of collecting, it specialists will connect you with your passion. Find what defines you at Bonhams dot com. Hello and welcome to the newspaper put cursed. I'm Ben Luke this week. We're discussing the art behind one of the greatest downs of all time. The opponents nine hundred sixty eight by the Beatles, which is fifty years old almost to the day. But of course, hardly anyone calls the Beatles. And the reason they don't is due to its revolution recover designed by the British artist. Richard Hamilton this week. Our initial focus is the white album the whiteout when was the follow up to sergeant pepper the nineteen sixty seven album that Kenneth Tynan a critic at the times in London described as a decisive moment in the history of western civilization. No pressure, then and the designer of the cover hadn't equally formidable task in following up. The forget about colors by Peter Blake and John Howarth the during the cover sergeant pepper Hamilton's response was to do a blank white cover. But there's a lot more to it than that later. I'll be speaking to the right of Harriet Viner about Robert Fraser, the art dealer who linked the art and music world in the sixties. But I I went to take Britain. To to to Andrew Wilson senior curator of Martin and contemporary art at the Tate and also the author of an essay in the new super deluxe edition of the white album. We spoke about Hamilton and how he approached this momentus task. Andrew I of who was Richard Hamilton, Richard hamsters, probably one of most significant parties in this country time in the in the sixties. But actually, he was the papa's. Didn't he define Papa? Sense. He did. Through through his work with the independent roof at the institute of contemporary arts London in the early fifties. Mid fifties, defines applause. As something popular in federal. But he didn't really define. He defined popular culture as a subject Messer for for for autists for nonsense work very much at the time. When subject matter was quite cool sense of fine, aunt, popular culture. But Blake ocher being quite derided and marginalizing note by autism object the every day, and he some of his contemporaries to convey, very different view, and it was very much about thinking about culture in using say, the tone, the critic Lawrence Alloway coins Vallone fronts of couch, and so everything existed on a continuum find out and will less popular culture, and the everyday all on the same level, and you wouldn't. Apply. A sense of aesthetic judgments to any of these. Categories along that continuum you'd rather appliance with critical judgments, it was about what things meant, and what they did rather than in the sense how they made you feel. This stage is well there's a really crucial connection with this emerging phenomenon which is conceptual. I mean, two years earlier Hamilton it reconstructed do shows large glass for an exhibition here in this building the Tate Gallery seems to me fairly crucial thing that conceptual. Lot was becoming very very significant development in. I mean, it is nothing conceptual often quite misunderstood that somehow being apart from ours. And actually conceptual was about making that connection with the every day that ought to closeness to life. And that closeness was something again that needed to be critically examined and do show was really key figure in all of that. Because in a sense his nomination of sessional Jake's as ready made. Is about engaging with the every day in a way, you know, in engaging with the unaesthetic as well. It was really really important which brings us very neatly onto a very anesthetic album cover or is it the white album. Can you can tell me what Hamilton's idea was for this record? I think in in the sense of ways that the store is often told it's it's. It's a design concept almost born ounce of fair the previous album for the Beatles. Nineteen sixty seven such Pat. Has an ovum covering the design concept was formed very much by Peter Blake and John house, and for many people to find the Beatles in in a maybe retro nostalgic kind of aim but very much of that period. Nineteen sixty seven some review of and this was the album and the album cover that defined. And so when the company first approached Richard Hamilton's, do this. I think his first response was I called talk. What what Peter and John have done in a it's it's like it's beyond fast com woke tonight, and then thinking well due to complete minimum do the complete opposite. But apparently the complete minimum. And let's do something really outrageous, which is to. Covered the album provide a jacket for the album, which should just white. It is the most absurd thing in mentionable when I thought to think about the the biggest band in the world at that time, the Beatles should have new album the double album is the first to be released by deriving labeled pull. Should be just in Weiss. And there's no distinguishing Mark effectively a tool he toyed we've Mina distinguishing marks didn't he got? There are other ideas and just a pure what cover initially one was an I'm not sure if it was exactly poor Little Richard who came up with the idea may be putting a coffee mug and the coffee mug sane on the cover or another was to bounce an apple. So you get that. So the popey aptly kind of creamy greeny white skids on the cover that I think very quickly. It was just seeing those sorts of ideas run in might connect detour roaches, well, whose friend of of Richards, and he's chocolate stained letters, exactly exactly it's all connected. But, but I think those those sorts of ideas become a bit try to little bit hack needs. And also, you know might look good if you were just doing it. But then having to reproduce it many millions of times, I think it would end up looking not as good as the idea, but the main the main the main defining month. That's that's on the white white out them Seve is was the idea to number to apply serial number take number so as it's being printed. It would be the last thing that the the the sheets are called go through the numbering system number up to well, I nobody quite knows how many millions. That's what they were ten presses over the world that would be juicy each beginning with one account that's one account, right? The myths of. But this is a really crucial aspect to this idea that Hamilton had which he said he was since it was a joke about designing album cover that was going to be reproduced millions of times that would have a number on it like a tiny poetry press. Yeah. I mean, I think really does connect to that sense of. Exclusivity? Hi, aesthetic pretention. But at the same time, this sense of real individuality is well, and sort of personal connections. Something said the number faith defines, the reach in the sense. Of the Beatles. They all the biggest ban. They have the biggest fan based around the world and the number in the senses reflection. Thatcher many millions, and so it's huge. And if you buying a copy of the album at the time in November, sixty eight you take this home with you and she'd see this large number, but at the same time, it would be the number. You had will be utterly personal to you one that essentially you owning an original artwork. Brilliant conceit of Hamilton's. She owning. Because if we're took about a conceptual idea that is the world, and you have a numbered version of this work now for sure I think five is was very much key to his thinking with with with with this design concepts. It was a conceptual work. It was not worth. He he has an artist. As did numbers of his contemporaries, they gauged with popular culture as a subject, but here Richardson gauging with poplar coacher both as subject, but as popular cut this is one of the it's one of those wreck from saver moments. Where? Actually acts as popular culture, the actually cooled the Beatles. Which was also Richard site here. But I think too many other records where real title that people. Hold to them is is actually a description of the design of the cover for the outfit. What was standing in front of now is a print that Hamilton made much later actually in two thousand seven which is simply could Beatles. But it is that original artwork that he did for the poster in the whiteout. Yeah. It is drawn from the original arts were at the callers that was produced to produce the post in an addition of many millions. He then after refunding the colors. The was it offered an opportunity to him to produce producer poster, and he originally intended it because obviously if you produce something that's going to be printed in an edition of many millions of printing presses set around the world that can become from ISIS, and you lose a sense of control of the finish of the poster. And so in two thousand seven he resolved to do it in an addition of eighty as a final print ordinarily the poster that came with the White House on the fan was maybe look at REUs at while listening to the music look at the pictures, turn it over. Read the lyrics tweet song in and it's part of the experience of listening to the to to to the music. It wouldn't be put behind a match in a frame and hang in the gallery, necessarily, it might be pinned to the wall. It might be blue tons of the wool. But that's also different kinds of context. One of the really striking things standing in front of it. Now, he's how beautiful this and how incredibly faithfully reproduces the kind of ages of all these different elements of the so it feels almost like a relief print. Can you describe some of the things we're looking at? Okay. So. We're looking at the poster the prince of the poster and shows images of the Beatles. Images. A not just from the late sixes from the time of the White House them some of them, go way back to Hamburg said the really early days of the Beatles. But they're very few individual images of the Beatles together as a group, you know, you've got so imagine that this is actually folded we're looking at something that's on folded here, and originally it would have been folded, it would have been folded centrally and also for his own sleet twice to create in the sense nine severance images. And I think Richard in conceiving the design for the for the post of for the caller. Was very much thinking about the experience of taking it out of the sleeve and thinking about how one cumulatively unfold the post, and so the image would be seen. I as in the first image. You'd see would be an immature a top left of the poster which is an image of pool with his head in a ball with soapy water around him can imagine lots of young Beatles fans hearts fluttering that image and the next that is very kind of blue. It's a blue light image of John Lennon singing into a microphone, maybe taken off a TV screen say you've got these different kinds of images. That quite s-. Secrets but also some of them are of the Beatles performing, and so you see through as you on fold images of the band is individuals come together as as as the group and in this Richard didn't make this. Poster having listens to the album was being recorded at the time. This being mixed was being you hadn't read. His his his. Approach to this was very much described trying to create a new kind of image of the world's most popular bands in to do something that is so against what the music company little too narrowly die publicy office would necessarily done. Have lovely anecdotes about this one of them is that McCartney spent a week with Hamilton in his Highgate studio. So today overseeing this watching this process, and it sounds like from what McCartney's descriptions that? He was quite racked. He was he was slightly all of Hamilton's image making abilities. No, I think the, you know, pull is of of the full Basil's the one who is the most involved in the design projections him that organized with Robert Fraser, and it was him the organized going to the Beatles to get to saw these photographs. The. Formed the basis of of the callers, and he was very very very involved. He he owned work find by Hamilton. He knew new robot phrase he'd been he'd helped hang. I think the laws that sufficient of that Hamilton had rub phrases gallery. So he was very infringed by the old world, and, you know, robot phrase fair him, very important figure instead of opening is is to certain kinds of out just as. Miles and John Dunbar vindicate gallery where I've had been opening McCartney's. Highs over say, you know, sort of. Should the von card seen as it will? Now, I'd like to return to the to the cover again and one last detail which is the boss lettering, which spells out the Beatles. I've heard differing reports about. But some say Hamilton wasn't involved that it was actually McCartney's idea. But also others say that Hamilton most directly involved in it was him sort of skewed that all dangle. What's your understanding of it? My understanding is rather different to that. I think initially I'm from the hadn't seen it. You know, you hadn't he'd missed elements of of what happened to his design because certainly he was interviewed not long before he died, and he quite clearly states the that wasn't by him. And he only sources and acts of vandalism against the purity of the design concept that he'd had full the album that wouldn't reveal the identity of what was inside the white covers. But it's kind of interesting as well for if I'm picks site. Well, who did that on? I think it was probably the music company wanting a sense of. Identification in sleight you calm since since this is the biggest band in the world. And yet there's nothing. No indication whatsoever. That it's the Beatles. We've got to have that it is the type of mind. The band. I'm the the records, and it has to be there on somewhere on the on the album cover and working with Hamilton sort of Omay says as it were the in between person between Hamilton directly comfy was the autism. Gordon house who had words all say with with Peter Blake and chime house on certain aspects of the of the sergeant pepper album, cover sorting out some of the type typographical design. And I have a feeling the. Gordon houses probably charged with the job of adding an identification to the cover the. Wouldn't. Disrupt the purity of Richards. Design concept, which. It's it's it's a little bit side. The fact is the case, but because what that also identifies is the degree to which. The music company had a certain kind of control if that my my my projection on knob is is is tree because one of the glorious things for Richard working on this project was frankly, he could get away with anything in the idea of having the white how the white cover is very much pardon for. Otar narrowly. It'd be it'd be an idea that we lost out force by by the money men the business people behind behind it. But in this instance, in diesels bigger than the business people bigger than the money, man. Well, it's fascinating story. Andrew thanks for telling us about it. That's right. Thank you. You can see Beatles. The Richard Hamilton print based on the white album. Poster in the display sixty years at Tate Britain until the spring next year and white albums available now in various formats, including the super deluxe edition with Andrew Wilson's essay through apple corps, now, and you mentioned the art dealer Robert phrases important role in connecting the Beatles to the art world. Indeed, Paul McCartney described Fraser is one of the most influential people in the London sixty seen. Harry Vajna is the truth, greedy. Bob. A biography of Fraser, and I'm delighted that she joins me now to discuss him. Harry reading your book is an oral history. So you get these different voices weaving in and around each other. And it's very clear, the looks of them are rock musicians and lots of the others are artistic dealers in other people in the art world, this this is really intriguing about robot Fraser that he really did straddle those two worlds didn't he he straddled quite a few worlds in a way because although it's cool groovy Bob slightly ironic because he had still. Very many ties to this old world of going to eat, and you know, let sort of behaving badly in the sort of posh way. And in fact, Mick Jagger said that when he met robot he reminded him of those of John Deakin photographs sort of old school. So in a way, he never was quite as groovy as all the rest, but he did up -solutely have a foot in that camp. And he was very very influential. So he was only twenty five when he hadn't he's gallery and Jake street, which seems an extraordinary young age to enter into an art world. It does not seem very young. Yes, I agree. I mean to people like John Bumba who ran Indika robot who seemed like a bit of a grownup because he'd done national service, and he had a bit of you know, he was a bit austere despite all the drug taking, but he was very young. And he's he was always passionate about from a very young age and Cedric price, the, you know, wonderful architect design interior, and he said himself that most of the. Galleries around that area time, very dodgy, and the only people who bought up with a sort of tough with money. And so it was all spotting pictures, and you know, that sort of thing very very in racing. You know, very, very dull. So for robot who opened this gallery with a Dubuque face show extrordinary at the time for private gallery to do that unnoticed in the reports. I think you include when in the book that they call him a fetus tasty buffet, and they sent sandwich even though diva face being around and modern art has been thriving elsewhere in Europe and America, they still pseudo corners of Britain. Haven't been at tool touched by this robot was instrumental in bringing it to London. No, the English who is have been very ignorant about modern art, and they were then and Brian Robertson had put on Mobley shows at the white chapel. And there'd been you know, the Hanover gallery was fantastic as well. But robots it was very rare to find cutting. Edge cutting edge modern art gallery that time did he have a conviction about contemporary right from the start of his of his interest in our was he looking at new all right from the start up -solutely, Robert always loved he had complete faith in his own eye, which is right to us right to do because he had a brilliant. And he loved showing new artists and promoting them which was Richard. Hamilton was one of I mean, he wasn't. He was known. He'd had a few exhibitions at the Hanover gallery, for example. But Robert really as he said himself. Rub it really, you know, raised his profile, and despite many financial irregularities, you know, made him as famous as he was as he became the interesting thing, isn't it. Because clearly he was an excellent gallery from the point of view of putting on shows and attracting artists and actually making those feel very welcome in the gallery, but the the business side of it was disastrous disastrous. I mean, it was. Castris from the start because I don't think robot was remotely interested in that side of things. And also when he became druggy. Of course, it came became even worse. I mean, very has it indeed many of the artists including Edgewater policy. Got you know, said to me when I was doing the book they refuse to about robot. Because they just still so furious seems bit thirty s later anyway, there's these sort of anecdotes about about checks appearing without not being signed on not appearing tool side of things. Let's face it. He was a wealthy, man. Who perhaps have a sense actually, check was important to artists who were by. No means rich in the way that we think of some young artists today. I know that's exactly what Bridget Riley said, you know, he had no idea that they needed to pay the rental the gas Bill, and he turned up in a chauffeur-driven limo. So to speak, and you know, explained to them for us how he couldn't afford to pay them this month. It was very very infuriating for them and disheartening, but. The other hand the gallery was so exciting, and you know, almost made up for it. Really? I think it did make up for it. But still very annoying for them. He was also very internationally focus wasn't Warhol, for instance, Edry shea and others had shows with Robert when they weren't showing elsewhere God. No. I mean, the the Los Angeles Nash show was extraordinarily everyone remembers that because you know, these artists from California not been seen before hadn't been shown in thought of in England Edry shea and lows, you know, it was very Dennis hopper. Had his own rather mad presents in the show. So it was very very bold and exciting and had it the Beatles and the stones come into contact with real then. Well, I'm member Christopher Gibbs. His great friend saying that in nineteen sixty five rubs live turned interest turned from fagging to druggy and is about nine hundred sixty five there. Suddenly these presence on the scene of rather wild will probably not as well. But, you know, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. Those you know, they suddenly were having money, and they had influence, and they were very very glamorous and exciting. But so is Robert and his gang very much. So they learned a lot from him. And and they make no bones about it. They made, you know, pull McCartney particularly among no all of them, but McCartney loved art and had a lot to do with robot news gallery and consider robot one of his greatest friends. There's a really nice quote from pool in your book in which she says that he was sort of an outsider Hugh to drop into the gallery. And they and then it was clearly noted that he was doing it and started to receive invitations to previews, and then became the heart of that scene. The heart of the art scene is what is the rook seen? Exactly. So, you know, he was just as they, you know, they all had interest in modern up, you know, being young, and they they were that way inclined. And yes, he probably did drop in a few times. This is before he was really famous so. No, he could do that. And then meeting rub it who loved music to it was a sort of complete friendship, and as a pull McCartney always says he does say is one of the greatest influences of that time. And you know, he was a really great friend robots life Makoni had a collection. So did he buy works from rubber? Yes, he bought. He bought them agreed apple which became the basis for you know, apple the apple ago. One of the things that sort of myth has propelled into our current ages. Mccartney was something of of a of a square compared to particularly Lennon who's perceived as very Evan. God partly threes association with Yoko. But certainly from your book is very clear that McCartney was very interested in Avon, God ideas, and very much a participant in an avant-garde seen in the sixty pull McCartney was very much involved. I mean, he had a lot to do with Indika, which is very very way more so than Robertson. I mean robots. Is no serious in a way. But no, he was you know, and the whole, you know, cover design for the white album was was really to do with Hamilton and pull McCartney John strangely have much of a. Say in that because I think because Yoko and John were dressed in white and perceived in this kind of world of whiteness, it's it's it's it's almost seen like they were the sort of influential figures in Ambert, it's very clear that McCartney and Hamilton, well, Richard Hamilton himself says that is, you know, the legend has it that it was inspired by Yoko Ono. And in fact, yo Kona believes that. But that's not the case. So tell me about this the other this patch darker side of the relationship between Robert and the Beatles, which which she's the drugs in the book. It's very clear that the robot introduced the Beatles to to cocaine for instance. Yes, I'm sure he did. But if he hadn't somebody else would have done, I never really pay pay much mind to that. But yeah, if you discover new lovely thing, which is cocaine or heroin, you might well before the days, it was really known how dangerous it was. You might well say God, try this. So I'm sure that happened. But. You know, that always happens that way, doesn't it? And Fraser was actually part of the famous Redlands bust which happens in nineteen sixty seven. And of course, that moment has been enshrined in one of the great art works of the period, which Richard Hamilton swinging London, which is actually on display at Tate Britain right now. So people should gun. See there. It's it's a picture of Fraser and Mick Jagger in a car handcuffed together. Isn't it? Yes. In the police car going to court and he did about six variations. I think and then, you know, the final one, and it's an extraordinary work because somehow seems very melancholy at the same time. It's glamorous. Like also mysterious works of art. It seems to say more than just, you know, the initial when you initially see it you see these two in the car, but it seems to have a very dark undertone. And as I say melancholy, like these, you know, wild and groovy times what here to loss, and of course, they want. And that's interesting point is because it seems to me there moments where people talk about the turning point from swinging London into the suit of more complicated later sixties, perhaps. But it does seem to me that certainly for Robert that was a turning point in many ways for lots of other people in in in that scene because it was a bit of a shock. It seems a bit of a show that the establishment seemed to come down so strongly on them. I mean, really, I don't know days. It seems you know, Puttin, and again, really, you know, the idea that these people seem threatening to the establishment. Is you know, seem so depressing to be handcuffed ame- handcuff? You know, extraordinary this, you know, these young people who literally at hardly done anything just to show teach lesson. Then of course, the sentence was pooling, really. I mean, and so it did seem so sort of marvelous to us the cultural explosion in the sixties. And it's funny now to thing, you know, the old guard did not see it that way even nice in. Why wouldn't you love it? But of course, it didn't Hamilton cooed swinging London, partly is to panel swinging London. But also because swinging the exact word used by the judge in sentencing. Yes, he said, I can't remember the exact words, but he said this deserves a swinging sentence. And let's talk about happy things again. I'm really intrigued by Robert phrases. Visu sense because it's very clear not only in his choice of artists, but in terms of his involvement with these album covers that he was an art director, especially when it comes to sergeant pepper. Absolutely. I mean in those days again, I mean the cover wasn't. It was hardly considered, you know, days again, you get famous artists doing covers quite usual. But and they weren't ticky famous John Howarth and Peter Blake. But robots suggested them because the Beatles wanted to use the fool, which is a Dutch collective, you know, so groovy hippie artists, but he kept saying they're no good. They're no good use Peter Blake and John Howarth. And so they did thank God. And and in a way that cover so much that if is so perfect for the contents. I mean, it's so's sums up this sort of mad crazy sort of brilliance of the contents of sergeant pepper and robot. You know, was often they're onset looking extremely stoned. But you know, nowadays, he probably would have been cooled the art director, you know, because you had very much. He he probably didn't say very much, but the thing about robot is you got inspiration from his energy. I know that sounds soapy. But that's what many people said was that affect and John Howard. Who's one of those who said that she was one of the designers for the? She was one of the creators of the cover. Let's talk about robots later life because the gallery closed not long after that period. Did it? So it was in the late sixties. Yup. And then he and then he he resurrected later and amazingly to my mind showed bus Kia and Harring in the eighties. But it was much more shortly. If the second time. Yes, partly because he was he he was drinking a lot. And you know, obviously, it doesn't help but mostly because you know, at certain point he got aids. And and so, you know, he started to feel more and more ill. But an also it slightly depressing than it was a very much more depressing time in England. Nobody was interested in. He's mad graffiti artists, and you know, I mean, the sales up seat non-existent hush thing, which is Pitino everyone. They didn't buy them. But you know, and so this is slightly sort of, you know, come back into the into that time after at least in the sixties have much. He was taking drugs and everything, you know, there was this feeling of things changing things, you know, things of possible. But it didn't really feel that way. At this time, the second gathering, even though he was showing beautiful exhibitions where he's a fascinating figure and the book is an absolutely riveting read, Harry. Thank you very much coming in joining us. Thank you very much. That was great talking about it. Goofy the life and times of Robert Fraser by Harriet Vajna is available through any books price. Ten pounds and an exhibition phrases grew yards club band. Is it gazillion house in London? From the eleventh of January to the twenty third of February twenty we'll be back and tenure attention to art in the Middle East after this. In her autobiography, the Kasama rights of the disturbing hallucinogenic vision. 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Welcome back on the length November exactly one year after the opening of the neighboring Lou every Dahbi crowds gathered into by in the UAE for the opening of the new Djamil art center the newspapers Amy Dawson went to the opening and spoke to Antonio Carver the director of the Saudi nonprofit organization art Djamil that has launched the center museum of modern art in Doha Qatar. And so to meal is a foundation that supports autism. Great. Many years in Saudi Arabia regionally, we have schools in Jeddah and Cairo and we have a number of international punch ships. Probably best known for clever rating with the Vienna on the Djamil gallery itself. And also that you meal prize which has been running for ten years. Now warding artists globally who are inspired by design here for the first time we have our own institution Djamil out center, which is just opening now in Dubai an which ministicks lighted Davis. I'm can you tell me? So this is the first etiquette space of Jimmy. Why did you decide to buy and say not in Saudi Arabia? We're out she I'll building center in in Saudi Jetta, it's called high creative hub, and it's a seventeen thousand me to development. So it's taking a little longer than than off into here which has moved from cookie and ended up winning before the one in Saudi we tried to all his wanting to have one domestic institution Saudi one international institution in Saudi in Jeddah. The Senator there that we at this creative hub is really looking very broadly at multi-disciplinary practices. So that as a cinema a theatre comedy club, commercial galleries restaurants, cafes coworkers basis as well as our own out center. And this is very much was needed in the city of Jeddah, which has a really diverse and very active creative community and really looking for space where he can bring those disciplines together here in Dubai we sought about Dubai as a city and really figured. Out that this is where we can have the greatest impact Dubai has a hugely national population living here and transiting coming through the whole time. And we wanted to tap into those tourists twenty million tourists year comes to buy, and we feel the lot might be looking for some kind of cultural inputs and a center that really addresses the region's a hole and even more importantly thinking about the local scene Dubai oversee is the market center. Home to the biggest in the region. It's where all the calories have congregated also avenue, and it has great studios and this incredibly kind of engaged public yet, no contemporary museum. So here is a particular opportunity to really have an impact, luckily and internationally and to build on what's ready here, but provide something completely new that fails, a certain gap. Food the opening program here does this quite a lot of gallery space. And you've got four Senate presentations of artists like autism. And also this group Shaye, which is called create and about oil, can you tell me a little bit about how that group show came about. So we hasn't come sation with the curator of the show much volley who's a friend of art to meal and part of our curatorial council so much involved in all kind of thinking, and we were trying to think of show that's really prompts at debates that's discusses that really talks about something that's very patents this region. I mean, you can get something we'll in oil. Oversee flows through every aspect of life here in the Gulf, but see globally, and you know, in what does words it's something. That's completely hidden in plain sight oil is everywhere yet, we hardly talk about it and a number of artists from this region and also Latin America and other parts of the world have been exploring the kind of themes that are all strikes up including looking at archives. It's kind of ideas to do with economy and society architecture, and we've I much wants to look at this theme from the ground up to take perspective from the Gulf specifically from the UA to address this subject. So here we're obviously an oil producer as well as Cosima oil transform societies. It's a Nabil's many Gulf countries to in a move out of poverty out of a dependence on the poll industry, and fisheries fishing and sort of posture life into one of high density. So it completely transformed generations of of residents lives here in such an artist's have a particular perspective on that from this part of the world. It's critical and occasionally celebrate Ray. And we felt that artists were able to kind of address this complex theme in a way. Like, no other. You know, they can ask all the questions that is difficult to ask the exhibition explores so many incredibly complex themes, and yet in a way that's visually arresting and he can and it can be entered into many different levels. And so let's talk about the autism rooms. So that they are actively so low presentations. And new. Four female autists. Can you talk about who they are? And why they would when I first read about it. It came to my head that maybe it had something to do with the fact that in Saudi Arabia women getting increasing numbers of rights within the country. And there's a big focus on women. I wanted to had anything to do the choice kind of buy organic tea, and sort of by default we settled on three artists from the region. Muhammed his a Saudi artist we have a lot of her work in the question of staffer via long time. She's a real pioneer in. She works a lot with kind of drove away domestic kind of objects and goods, and perhaps the sort of PS results in her exhibition is this wall of four hundred cooking. Pots of all different sizes shapes. Waking. Yeah. Don't straight out years. This is incredible. Each one has its because we see see the bottom of the parts that spin scarred and banned by many years and making meals some of these putts Renault, Mus they would've fed a Senate family twenty five thirty people, you can imagine like, you know, very Ani's stews sort of, you know. Bubbling away in them. Yeah. She's talking about this kind of transformation in Saudi society from being very communal society to be maybe a little bit more individualistic the arrival of kind of consumers them, but she does everything with a slightly kind of right smile, and she's somebody that's been very influential on on other generations of autism Saudi. And then we have in the next solar presentation. We call artists Romans these kind of captial solar shows, we have also he's an artist who's huffed ebony of Syrian she works, again, these older must've been that show from our collection. She's working lots with telling stories of refugees who've been have come from Syria into Lebanon, as we probably no one in three people in Beirut at the moment is refugees from Syria, which puts into perspective, maybe the number of refugees that are arriving in other places in Europe and the weights that Lebanon is taking. And she looks at she got some taller her stories. She sketches them as they tell the stories, and then she creates embroideries out of these stories. Third artists rim is dedicated to works by lallera, the great Pakistan e artists and women's activists women's rights. I who passed away last year and who found national fame very late in her life. She was may much celebrated as one of the key artists in the last documented, but before that was primarily known within South Asia as an incredibly in French figure, and we wanted to pay tribute to her with three different bodies of work spanning a twenty two year period gotta Reten over I told floor is a work by a new commission by Shahara. Shutter the Japanese artists and for this. We knew that she she oughta lights working with boats. She liked his brain seems of of kind of collectively between people fundamental issues of human life, and this kind of idea of the maritime. And so it felt perfect, you know, commission her because one of our main themes right here on the creek. Is looking at this. I dare of conference in connective, it's and she's just created an incredible massive room when she takes over the entire room with t- thousand five hundred bowls of red wool created this kind of vast spiders, Weber Kun, which wraps around a traditional wooden Emirati Dow boat, which we got from the boatyard just upstream from us. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Now, the Lebanese Syrian artists Muneer our soul is part of the group program at the gym yellow center and also has a solo show at the matter of Arab museum of modern into her Catta a neighboring country that's currently under embargo by the Saudi Arabia and several other countries in the region. Amy met Muneer in Dubai an Ostra 'bout one of her works on show in the Jamila center. So I go back to in two thousand eleven when their vision started Syria, then slowly turned into a war. And the time. I was Brennan myself, and it was really very tough because the revolution in Syria. Started with children who sprayed something like freedom, or you know, on on the wall of their school. And then they were arrested, you know, became like a snowball and people went down and became like a huge revolution. And then turned into a war, and and so on so. So it wasn't easy to be there and to be making a child yourself. And then of the mean watching over few hours away in Syria. How things were. Unfolding because you're invading. I wasn't Beirut. And I'm myself have Syrian. So my mom is from Damascus. So it was very hard to be invaded with and to witness the people coming over escaping. So for me, it was important to engage also to make the people feel welcome to eleven and so am I also in the beginning. There was a lot of hope with this revolution. So I wanted to. You know because in the civil war. I was a kid. So I wasn't able to record anything that has happened. And you really now understand that that gap is has created Amnistia because the younger generation did or know what we've been through in that civil war. They have no idea. So there's nothing to keep the people aware. And remember what has happened to their parents grandparents on so to me, it was very important than to meet the people and just like intuitively. I was drawing the an in a way I was recording our conversations. So for me, it's really about that act of sitting together inviting them to Mr. Joseph together making a drawing writing down our stories. Often. I would ask the person to choose their favourite drawing. And then they keep it. So there's also that exchange and later I've been making a lot of those drawings and things have been changing, and I've been also moving not able anymore to live in Lebanon this days. So I moved to the Netherlands again where I studied art. And so on. Even though I come and go very often. But an I've also started to drove people as I've been. Going also to Europe and being based there again. So I also witnessed that movement of everyone moving up ports to Europe. So then the idea came after I made a sequence of a number of those drawings. A lot of people. I talked to the for me, I associate what we said with colors, I associated with places I start to imagine, you know, colors of sand or colors of dreams or even elements of the stories. They told me, and then even mitt two brothers one in Lebanon, or the father is in Morocco. Two children are in in Lebanon. The other two are where so the idea came that. Oh, I could then Joe them next to each other. And then sue them backs on one textile, you know, an I also always worked with textile. So and then filling in also kind of something that connects, but at the same time, it's very it's a harsh media issue SU into the paper you destroyed. Same time, which is really interesting, and I love to do that. So the first one I did I had drone on paper. And I was suing the paper on the textile at the same time suing in the paper. So it's also making but also destroying because the paper gets really destroyed underneath and then disappears. But then slowly, I I wanted to do more and more of those and. It was a time. Actually, I also applied for grad from shabby. That enabled me to be able to employ or work with to say this women who are skilled with embroidery. And that was a great moment for me. Because not only I was embroidering myself when I was ready when I knew what the broader needed had driven old elements put them in the right place. And then I would invite women whom I had met through drawing or through a girl. I drew. She tell me, oh, my mom is great embroider. And you know, what these women they all came a lot of them had come recently from Syria. But also I worked with women who have been here for years, and I've also worked with women who live far away our liberties and our like crazy about in border at the really really good. So, but all these women have one thing in common that they take the burden of the family expenses on their shoulders because the ban is when you're on exit. Most of the times the man cannot find a job anymore, and then the women start to bring in the income to the house so through that I was able to work with more women, and then invite them over to my studio or go to their houses. Sometimes bring my family with me and my daughter, and we'd be sitting there with their kids as well would be embroidering together to finish a work. You know, and I think for me that is. One of the most interesting moments of the work because it generates that contact and. Than it's just a real interesting also on a woman level because when we sit like that and work like that we tend to tell stories stories, you know. You know, very intimate. Yeah. The so all of these women series that Palestinians. Ben is the all have amazing really strong stories to say actually and a lot of them have really suffered. But also, the Lebanese from the men from how things go. But when you sit together embroider, it's a moment of joy. And we you feel empowered. So that I think it's really important for while working on that. Have a show on amendment? Matt. Media. Can you tell me a little bit about the show and how the show came about? Yeah. So the Doha exhibition. The have came to Chicago to see my show, and they seen my works in Athens and a cuss oil for Documenta. But also, I think have been interested in my work for a while. And then they saw those exhibitions than they sold the Chicago on which was triggered by Hendrik four Kurds. I was really. Honored to be in the Chicago institute Art Institute. It's really it's like Lou in the USA, it has an amazing collection, and they have modern winks part. So it was really amazing exhibition there so the Matt have team so it there, and then they said, okay, we wanna travel that exhibition to cut it. So it's kind of the same exhibition, of course, on a different scale and also in dialogue with other artists. So I'm very honored to be near fat Hamouda Rhys who's one of the major Syrian painters who's being shown because they have his works in their collections. An also because they have a focus as I understand on Syria. This year. And so at the same time of delicate room, the director of the museum has created a show called revolution generation. So at the same time, there's an exhibition of. Egyptian artists Syrian artists Moroccans from all generations who is Iranians. So on who she wants. She can you know, it's an exhibition called reputation generation. So you might imagine. Yes. There. What was your experience in your in Qatar has the difficult political situation a moment in the golfing, tons of Qatar Karbi on the boycott from a number of countries, including Saudi Arabia, the U, a what did you find out seems like when you? First of all. When you go there, you really. You really notice how that embargo is bringing people together and is also making a bonding between the people there. So I think that is really sometimes unfortunately, nations needs such a harsh thing to understand, and you know. You know, be able to understand the strength of being a snow here. But it's really harsh because a lot of families are mixed slightly. Benny Syrian-Lebanese Jourdain's, John John is to cut people out like this like piece of cake again, like the colonial people did this to us. Now, we are doing this to others. I mean, it's really really harsh unacceptable. You have families who are have beheaded his half. So these children are being born where they have to go to Saudi Torri Renner renew their passwords. So I mean, it's really unacceptable. I think. Thriving? And of course, everything is seeing from that angle on and I think for them it's very important to achieve things beyond those borders. And I understand, but so every country has its political agenda and things that you don't understand are not revealed. And I don't think any country is innocent of anything. From all those regions. So but. If you want the Matt have and artists who work with, but the collection of Madhav is really important. They have like artists such as engineer LA tone, which is from Egypt. They have an she's really, you know, a very important artists. They have like that where they're they have on tomb have shitting shot from Iran. It's a really international has this Middle East. But it has. But lection artists, of course, from the region, and you notice when you're there, and here also that this far of the world is really it's really very interesting in all those connections. And it is a Twas port is a port harbour where things come in and things get mixed in with harbors. You always have that chance of mixture an opening up. So. Usually unless there's an embargo force much harder. But hopefully, come. Yeah. I mean, there are wars everywhere today. So I don't know. Yeah. Thank you. Retooling, terry. The center is now open to the public and Muneer Al souls autism room at the center is on view until the ninth of February her show, I strongly believe in our right to be frivolous. Is it matter in Doha until the sixteenth of February? And that so for this week, if you haven't already do subscribe to the podcast, let us know what you think on Twitter where you can follow us Aktan Odia. That's at ta audio. 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Swaggy P (Nick Young)

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Swaggy P (Nick Young)

"Produced IN COGNAC FRANCE. For over two hundred and fifty years. Hennessy is the world's best-selling Cognac. And supports those who never stop never seldom enjoy an amazing Hennessy? Cocktail today and always remember to drink responsibly. First question we always ask. Everybody is when I got to lead. Who's the first person to bust your ass? Oh I know bus minds Richard Hamilton. Because I just hate chase off every screen like I didn't like I wasn't used to that so I think anyone to work again. Like twenty seven. Oh me but I just hate for the most part like Kobe. Of course when you when you came back home away from your family and friends over their work pump fakes. Amin airline crazy still went to work on them. I gave them a couple of buckets. Got The monster as a young boy young not food man we live in the wreck out here in La Overlay Los Angeles California opened up the black hist one. We got a very special day. The swaggie one. Would you go swaggie in the building you know by the talk that talk widows pull up and check it out? Grew up with your mom your dad. Yeah so that's who installed is happy for sure this happy life. My always smile late today. My Dad was like he moved to La from Milwaukee and Chicago to be like accurately. So that's when I was born out here. You got a little hit movie. He always reminded me of like has where you get your stuff from boy you know. I saw a. Yeah but my brothers at four brothers and they all plays. They had to take into the gym. I the one next time we play like overseas and he was like the best in the neighborhood and then everything going up so they were forced to take him to the park. As I was like I got into it. I was reading into when you decide to go to high school. You chose handsome why you choose to go up the street but then neighborhood. They end up getting kicked out chasing women. Alleged began long long long time ago. I of instances like messing up school so they had bus me to the valley. That's when I ended up going to Cleveland because my boy was like he ran into some. Hey you coach dribbling the ball. He asked him do. He know any players. He brought my name of took me to aid you. I was hoping he introduced me to the Coaching Valley and Dan as whatever class for high school. Do some like. Did you go to like state. You WanNA things drown. Love win another. We lost in the championship game. I WanNa talk of all day. Always GonNa work though a so when you came out you chose. Usc anybody else they'll probably could have had a chance of getting you probably just like UCLA. I didn't want to leave. La Love like so so so la reported like the generation. You O J Mayo and a Lotta guys. A lot of guys went coming out at. Usc Ain't going pro. Yeah shows like that but all of a sudden they haven't won every year ago the year a comment and it was like a drought for for sure Ucla was like more boozy to me. I know we were we play. You know we're here early two thousand so we were here. That was kind of divide that I got temperature like the city. Ucla like that's kind of like the suburban Gasoline Fisher. That's okay so that's why I wanted to go to. Usc like Not Too far from there. I know the neighborhood plus. Ucla had too many people positionally nine five from that. I need to go somewhere where I could. You know so so I show you. Hey I need to get some shots. I'm trying to go pro. I enjoy stay here for four years. So what made you decide to go pro? You have. Somebody told US going lottery Start saying my name you know when you start seeing names on the draft board of layoff man. This is for real now so I was like they had. Oj coming in X. Year Stamina all these those fine for shots you know. I think we went to the sweet sixteen. I did my part you know so health. Put Team the school on the map. So that's an ago. Yeah for sure. Wasn't anybody when you draft. You gotta drive to the wizards with anybody that you thought you go to that. She was hoping to go to. The clippers are used to be. You just was just be at home. The whole triple never left like the city's light man at the clippers. They had the fourteen picker thirteen pick off a show going there because he had talked but somebody has live outdoors and the thing our they picked picked because they didn't say he was going to be there at all. So let me ask you this do throughout the process. Because you saying my us kind of like in my room where you could go from maybe high dinner long workout. Did you do 'cause I know for me? I like to the Golden Goose. He wanted to go goose blood up here. He saw the light to a workout. Get wined and dined we hear words. Fine Gig twenty workout. Some people twice they call you back to you like you like you got to listen up over the toys. Seen a boo boo came back for a meeting. Different time by now. We want you to work down. We want to do this and we want to stretch you want to do. What's your question had to work? I think a day before the draft or something like that but Boston's Dowsman who try to come do some the night before is like man. Fuck it I'll do it. I don't I don't want to get a bad name eighty nine. I'm like man the everything to be good surveys. Go Go to so your draft to Washington and I actually didn't want to go then. WanNa go to DC. 'cause they already had like a full team. I felt like I was going to have to start all over at the work. My way into getting Around Gill Anton Shine. There was a playoff team in with the clippers I felt like there was rebuilding so I really wanted to go there but once I heard my name colleges happy to be called so we talked about. Oh just different story but like once you get to that moment it's like I was mad but managed like at this moment right like man. I just achieved like. I can't be a can't be mad at this moment as much as I don't like pig. Whatever it was it everything is better right. Like my mom's they're crying everybody. I'm lightning they so happy. Why I gotta myself in this move. I can't be looking crazy being ungrateful so I was just happy. Put the hat on. Gill's the first person to call me. I know you from Lake about it beforehand or a little bit. I know his dad because dad was into like AU boss. I think he's probably one reason. They draft the me too so he called me told me to get in the gym work. And all is gonNA be like that no gills that crazy so you don't go via food over. Here was the first time we get to the team. You realize it was crazy. He's a fool like win. Just start getting a little money so I never bought like no glasses for like a thousand dollars. You know. 'cause you mean light. Some sunglasses a big purchase to me so stops in here like I ain't never bought the house in Dallas Sunglasses. So that's that's again. That's the big purchase. Man I practice. Okay my shave almost fun and all that thinking nothing killed. Just take my glasses. I guess it's rookie initiation. Take my glasses. Rubs his balls would only. I'm like I just. I never spent that much money on. Glass maybe Puck Dodd. Kp The humble rookie respect trying to get mad all monies. Glands it's cheaper classic Rubbers Balls Dame breaking. I'm like does he have no respect for now. But we'll have number theory but the next thing you know. I come back after practices like two GS in my locker room. He always did crazy stuff like took care of me. I saw okay. Let's make it okay. Double of what? You pay F- mad at the moment but it's GonNa come back to say so crazy. Though the wizards make you feel like you've got your foot in the league where you can feel like. I'm good enough to play lead. Yeah say pry my third or fourth year. You know because the first year I was against men and I wasn't getting it was always making those making to the playoffs An here and there but like once. I think they traded Antoine Ron and it was just like a bunch of young guys saw open averaging like seventeen eighteen killing myself once they cleared the way. Dan is like okay. It's my time so I had like my first forty point games is I'm thinking about the money. Now come out and get a couple of dollars. Chicken speaking of the CICCIOLINA check. This is that I loved to add. I need to know and I won't know politically correct so I won't know when you got the bag. Something along the line like them. Glad glasses in. You got a bag like what is something where you win and you look back at life. Yeah did you went out and you said poem phone. I like a big stripper party or something like that. This guy I contract I had a bunch of you know the homeys and you're doing I guess I'd probably do like Fried Twentieth Twenty hours. That's a big party. I was going to must likely p took the whole who could and show them something like they wasn't used to seeing so I've like China. Take Him with me celebration. You showed it to them in a different way. I robot club like this. Did you go to give his birthday? Forty oh crazy million. One Knock Canada year after but I know I was there. When he was legend was still talked about spending money. Tamales like two million pool in his backyard party or something like that. When I was there spending money for that were you said. He spent two million on the pool. Apart hit his pick found he had a grotto playboy a into in trade to take active creative writing. Give me the keys so Debit A no. Hey No no to me go. You put that on another stage door because I know so used. The dunk called a couple body. Like what's the body you remember that you call Lebron Love is my rookie year. 'cause he like. I was gone and he like size me up like guard me like what you're doing on me. He's jazz shot. The three. It was a long rebound thing. Hey will pass it to me. It was tried to run down and across booby over now. Just jumping on bang. Wound is the you'll know about him yet. You know he said Shit. That was gigs. I knew it was gonna be top team and all that whole sure. I know I know you seen that. You Watch sports. Nba TV all night. I had though like us. We do some we going home to see where we're going to a restaurant or whatever. I don't know I highlight three ideas. Lock on let us give you lap. Do me like that today though. You see another highlight Islam by waking up between dunker overrides. All right we'll talk to run into highlights. Let you know what I used to. I used to hate when they put my highlight on. Nba TV ESPN muscles. I wait wait what they do why you didn't get the memo. Hey don't people Matt Shit. That's how I think he was on those four two four two in the banking like Damn Raef lafrentz dumped on my For was in the row like like the same play ran the same thing. It was like a screen and roll and he wrote. And I'm like the bottom man and I oppose the rotating earlier but I'm like I'm trying to be athletic on happen to catch it. He called the bits of one dribble bone in Denver. They go back down with shooter shot. They come back and run the same fucking play in my late again. And he wound. Next time they ran ran that play again. I'm already read Goldline's right twice as many people what happened to me. One time what you saying St Francis Orlando Majesty Fan. Right before he came to the Knicks were in the garden and he he went he came basically I liked. Cv laid out on a looking at home and don't turn it around to the way they rob. Odia up like like I'll cobb on the rails chance that I'm like I'm the guy to say you got that casually didn't reminds me the same thing. Yeah you city. I know he's going to be hitting you remember too so you finally get to go to La when you heard you get traded away. Oh you're going to play for the. Lakers and Kobe said like how did set field. Since you love law man. I was like a dream. Come true for me like Dantonio. It was cold we let you like hoop shoot and me coming back home like I know my mom and everybody was happy and this one I had my first son assigned was being born so it felt good to be at home. I I could go from my mom then go see my son and just practicing really like La pill back. I know people was happy to see me. So and the only thing take crazy of everybody wanted to see you play. Hooky is only go so long game and take care everybody so something you only get two tickets Hey I'm he kobe stories. He played three or four years. How was their plan with that dude boy? He's studies the game no matter what even when he was hurt. He's right there looking out that equipment room looking at everything we do. When I come back in practice I can't wait to get back out there because I know you're going to go live. I'm like damn I thought you getting treatment comey. I remember the first time he told me to work with them. In Orange County at six in the morning I'm GonNa value at the wake up like four thirty five. Just get out there. And he's in the parking lot already way. No everybody see who's going to be on time and WHO's early to get workout and six in the morning coming with Shays on black shades. Only ain't no son. He's slagging on visas coming here and I've been on since fall four in the morning he was going to be here early on like who thinks like the head coach training. Louis Saint Competition who gear. That's why he called Is like everything was like two blackout. You can't move no more workouts like I do the same move thirty or forty times due to a secondary. Move to a thirty or forty times than we do. Third there moved forty. Three times even goes other side like the ladder is our just slam like man. He called me in the second time I like. I wasn't we do this. I work in film. That's what we got from him. That's what I got from. When it comes to this basketball stuff. He a real killer. He's Dexter basketball. I got a cure. Certain way. Wrap you up and take your DNA type meditate. Everything is like regiment. I mean me and my boy was like it was working. No one was talking about the Julius some ages like he was talking with us at first about it then like I guess he was talking too long about it but that she later Bollywood latest work. I'll talk about this whole time. He says I talk to mostly when he leaves me talking to you so quiet the whole La Melanoma talk about. I don't just go to ask questions about drill. This thought it was all good ago this. Why won't to win exactly? Could you speak on it like he was getting into Swaggie Mobile? When did you get the nickname winded the alter ego the Swaggie p come about how win where why it was? When I got traded to the Clippers it was like that playoff run. We were down twenty three years like that to Memphis but I came into the locker room with like facade cheese sales chains on his shirt open and I remember Koran like the next day like the next game. I didn't have it on but you don't you gotta own. That's laggy should now attorney at all so I just said well that make money would be you all And you kill to Capcom would you? I heard Swaggie peekers nickname. Everybody Nick but when you first hers Swaggie P. and everybody is really calling swaggie. How did that feel I would think it was going to have hangar-like here coaches calling me. Slag and all that is Plan went online just on social media trying to come up with a name for myself. I guess it stuck in like it was all tied in the meantime I had gone on at the time So what made you? Where did you get that from where you came to the game that they would like win? Did you start dressing and doing different things? And where did you get that swag from period just for being La but in DC? Like people didn't really pay attention to me coming into the arena and all that so always likes to dress up and be wild and be different so when I got to the clippers like perfect time as playoff time spy by light. You know playing with Chris Paul Plan with Blake. You know man. La Hollywood everything we did. We get magnified so when I came in I didn't think it was gonNA take off like that but started something else like everybody. Go crazy in that tunnel now south. You get an opportunity to play with awards for your and they win championships. Yeah we'll call you so once been on teams where even the worst team wanted or they've been playoff team and so forth phone but you finally get a season variety a real championship team. Go through the whole season. Go through a playoff win the Hobo. How's that if dope and for me like I never won the championship from High School College? Anything so I was like. It was unreal especially like Megan enough for going to a game. Seven with rockets being down by like twenty in the first quarter. Not knowing what's going really happening you know But he just pulling it off being like in the parade Cinco City lovey from key. Like going to see the Lakers parade back in the day. I was in the crowd. Actually been on. Bus has shown no shirt JANK's and like the Ham family with dope like experience. I think is like one in a lifetime for real so when did the give it arenas in your signed beef store? 'cause I feel like this is the beef just one of the most Class A. B. C.'s. Sam It happened after I broke away. Oh girl like engages. Our chilling like lower guilt like always come over like try to cheer me up for somebody like you know. He felt like he must've felt like I was down. So he'll I- Mansuri call me out. The Blue Cheer Man was what Umana let? Nobody gets you down the next thing you know. He must have climbed my fence and not so my dawn. I hear banging at the dope. Boom Boom Paul. I'm with my son and he watching cartoons he coming though and you know he just start messing with nick you know out of nowhere start kicking his toys mistrial. Shoot it almost goddamn but my son always talking trash home. They got like a crazy. Oh No since. My son loves THEM SO MESSING WITH EACH OTHER. Yeah we can tell the lovers it's like is much give tyrod man every opportunity to like eating way. My son made his first shot. The other day went crazy. Gill posted some like. He ain't making it. You Ain't GonNa make it to the seven year old man right the video talking about video man. I love watching that video celebration. He been here before And is that not all sally? He wrapped it up and put a chair on top the next day the next day and the get out the school with so much intention in his world he was intentionally walked. There was so much blessed medicine. It's hilarious really him. I gotTA gotta come man all right. Do practice man you gotTa make the Shop Firs Suda Dope but speaking of that right. 'cause we come from a time where celebrating was kinda around fish. So how does it feel for you? 'cause you somebody we were you have You play you celebrate. But how does it feel now to see how you know like game like food is like? Oh he has so much passion and joy for the game off. I don't want to be one of them. Is it like Ango heads and all that so you know but I say my two cents. I just don't I hate the fact that like they label you a certain type of person just because you like to celebrate and enjoy the game but now like he's a great player passionate is different. It's different let's be him like enjoy being who you are. Don't let nobody changing with the be your game like your game. You always happy no matter whatever the mall it is but you would never a person that I looked like you got at or in and was killing somebody meanti Wales more. Like a small you'll gain could have got better if you were at that type of aggression. I want to say he wasn't aggressive. Yeah on this and you happy. Imagine if you just Kobe mentality like I'm eating a Muffin. Y'All get this work forty might say sure official. Just I don't know I just enjoy playing the game so I never really thought about having an attitude. I just kept with like if I'll get a bucket I'm GonNa let you philly like Celebrate I've seen doing so like in high school. I used to come down during that after a done like I felt like that was swaggie. Knows somebody so me smell and giving you buckets. I felt like that was Brian more disrespectful again. Like the White House where they label him like Ms. He's so nice he's always happy. Go looking shack. Is the big here but here. But this motherfucker e crazy time I'll he so dominated he's strong powerful. It was like he was taking it easy on you. But here's like if you meet them all you be around him and talk to him. He's like the coolest dude up for sure. I know some coaches would be like all he is play taking. This is serious if we think he should. Yeah that's one thing. I hate it but I was like. You can't be an elite for twelve years. If you're not taking gang series I hated that label because I worked hard bug. Don't grow on trees that want to say I've read about you like to be just the ultimate dunker. Everybody was talking to nuts all he can do dunk. So you went and basically yeah crazy on the jumper and a wet ball and just really became head. I mean you would get no no you more for letting that time flood. Yeah for sure for sure. So how did that happen? you want to shooter. I just get tired of trying the dunk on everything that I found myself been sore after the Games and falling on the floor and on ABC just wanted to expand my game. I want the High school my coach had like four position. So I knew I get to that level. I wasn't going to be six six center at the work. I looked up to players like Kobe. Man Right next door I had to Afro and all that so the new generation of players like I say before Paul Person It was like a a few Pau Davis militate shot at the La Player. Start coming out by the lows and you seem like the top players and so forth. La Unified History of these players. Coming out and go on to the League and to see where it right now with some of the top players being from la though. Because it's like I was there with them like some of the moves. I see him doing. I know they got it from you. Know like it's all of us like know each other so in this respect by we all if not be all come together go out or you playing a Jew. Steele's still feels. That's what it looked like from especially all your all around the same age so many And you see all your act together and just see on the League at the top having the guys at the top level and so forth like poppers was holding it down. He managed million sure they was. La Key league and now you see life from Johns a star game which ball if you're okay. You know what I'm saying. It's only twenty eight to ten guys took from the East Coast. Snow one out there. I mean you gotTa Give Him a gym Llanelli and I don't think nobody play outside. No more I guess heard of right and Cockeysville like you jump high doing like Jordan. Pharma was like you'll rival hostile to see both of. Y'All UH gopro sewer you know. That's the person you looking at when you looking around to see both IAGO house debt. That's one of the reasons. I wanted to go to the clippers because he got drafted by the Lakers. We've been like rivals but like best friends. A got drafted to the Lakers. I was still at sea. Like damn he got along. Can't fall off now you know you go to UCLA UCLA. A little harder. But I still got there. But that's my dog for sure we still talk. You still hang out first time. He got a chance to play with each other on the Lakers again. So it was like how was de though 'cause like knowing somebody since fourteen fifteen now you odor plan professional in your your family know each other and we've been playing against each other for so long but action hanging out after the game and now we late in the locker room together it was dealt adult straight. Yeah for sure. So you got your most hated in young brand and I definitely won't talk about that not a few people out there doing a own thing going for like three or four years Longer so how did you get into that? Outside of being swaggie notice way has something to do with it. But how did you literally go from being Swaggie? Peter Really turn into a brand in doing that. I start making some close one day. Like an for the me and my homies. I feel like at the time. It was so much going on in my life. Like thousand papers about everything different things. He is like -Til Z. Tabloids here and I just felt like the most hated so me and my home is aware of stuff that I may that say most hated on it and some people like Dan Dope and I started lightbulb again. I'm like I'm still known for fashion. Me Put some stuff out and see how it goes so we put like a little capsule out in. She's sold out in like a day so they gotta do this for sure. Hey keep it going and doing for like four years now got like Sir Stores Stores. Okay so don't WanNa stay for sure. Get y'all some empathy little. Yeah definitely marinate a little bit but that was the next player I need. What's your thoughts on? Like the guys now dressing holiday dress come into the game and so forth phone because you're registered like you know more guys into Jackson's wrestling is for address is for the actual game. I think I think it's still a competition with everything like like coming in locker room. You people like you know you gotta be fresh now. I like new and for the most part thing is good for you because you get money is money and looking cool now so all right so you go to fashion. Shows could get bigger endorsement deals like. Samaya like myself. That was an all star but because of my following. I get the same amount for parents feed than somebody's all stars just because the swaggie piece for something so I feel like it's good but you still can't lose focus of that game you know 'cause I think you can't post nothing if you're losing you can't you can't lose focus of that ball 'cause more money than planned and anything you don't get from Fascists. Who got the most Wagon League right now? Who does swaggie approve? You will right now like the side like a russell wisdom like that rusty fashion king so I not by like Coups try those many trolling with dead wrong with the blonde. The Golden Lab. Thank you L. No that is no. I remember meteor man meteor man but I like him now. 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Gottlieb  All Ball - Final Rockets/Westbrook thoughts; KD's puzzling Nets choice; '99 NCAA champ  Khalid Al-Amin on U Conn's title run

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

1:02:48 hr | 2 years ago

Gottlieb All Ball - Final Rockets/Westbrook thoughts; KD's puzzling Nets choice; '99 NCAA champ Khalid Al-Amin on U Conn's title run

"Hi Everybody Colin Coward here host of the ever-growing heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that I don't feel I tell you what you WanNa hear but what you need we talk every day about the sports stories you have opinions on the heard podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports. Fans listened to the her that H. E. R. D. With Colin Coward on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts hey welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb and you are listening to all and I feel like this is the beginning of the servers last year we had <hes> Scott Brooks for two episodes. Jay Bilas for two episodes and <hes> you know summer without a ton of things changing during the off-season really gives us usually a greater chance to delve delve into people's lives and we'll continue to do so if there's somebody you'd like to have a conversation with in college pro High School Basketball International Ball I I have some friends who have already committed to joining us. Hey Man just give me call. Let me know when hit me up at GOTTLIEB. Show is the twitter handle and of course at Galle. Show is also the G. Handle. I don't know if it's a handle on I G or not anyway and I'm told I have to tell you you can listen to Doug Gottlieb show daily on Fox sports radio from three to six eastern or twelve three he pacific. You can listen you can download that podcast or you can listen on the iheartradio APP on your Fox sports radio affiliate. We're also on Sirius X._M.. I think one is to Oh three and the other ones to seventeen to seventeen. I know is the one it's like the Dan Patrick Station. That's the station that were on not the Fox sports radio station anyway what we're like a couple days removed now from the Russell Westbrook Chris Paul Trade. We did talk about it on last week's all ball kind of the immediate reaction and now they've had a chance to catch my breath. I do sincerely believed that the rockets they got a better athlete a guy who's closer to his prime and I do think there's a little bit of immediate bump jump on the other hand. You have a lame duck head coach a player who is challenging the coach. I didn't say Russell. Westbrook is not coach -able but he challenges you and while harden and Westbrook are better friends and have been longtime. I'm friends as opposed to Chris Paul and James Harden which was kind of like a an arranged marriage. They're both people that have been through multiple marriages both coaches and players alike and so ultimately. I don't see it ending a championship. I feel like this this is part of the undue pressure put on by Tillman for Tita that he wants to win and he wants to win now and he doesn't have the patience to see it kind of quietly and smartly evolve as the warriors fell apart and look. It's fair to say the rest. The West has gotten better. I think the jazz have gotten much better. I love the grant acquisition for the for the Denver Nuggets gives them the ability to play small. He's sensational athlete. He he adds a ton of value there and I've been like with Portland Has Portland you know smartly you add rim-protector shop locker and you give because they'll eventually have a couple of centers. You give the possibility of moving somebody here at mid a year. If you think you can add one piece and so I look around I like the clippers and the Lakers are pronouncedly better. Did the rockets get that much better. No yes you take Oklahoma City out of any sort of playoff contention also say this. I think so impressed. You did a great job. This apparently was the plan for next year. If it didn't work this year they were gonNA blow it up next year and Paul George walked in and said Hey I'm out and so they sped up the process. Look at the number of Pixie got return. I would expect him to would somehow try and get Chris Paul off the books that probably take on some some on the books to this year and we'll see how many those draft picks they could maintain. This is the way of the N._B._A.. Oklahoma City is doing this for years that signing a free agent is really really hard that you have to trade for guys you have to draft guys and for the life of their franchise. This is how they'll have to succeed is defined ways to draft guys trade for guys and keep guys as happy as the can as long as they can and now they're in rebuild mode. It's a it's a life cycle. It's Ah you'd much rather be bad to be really really good then to be mediocre and to be super expensive especially in that market and so I actually kind of understand it. I don't think though the rockets have they've had gotten away from fit fit. Is Everything in this world how you fit with your spouse how you fit with your neighborhood. How you fit with how how your kids fit with how they're educated when you go and playing college? It's not necessarily about the school. It's about fit role yes but also are you a guy that plays better when you play fast or your point guard the places to ball in your hands. I I look at this and I'm like harden and Westbrook worked eight years ago because in the fourth quarter hard was point guard Westbrook was the off guard when he was a great cutter but since then they've both been come ball dominant guys and that's that genie is hard to put back in the bottle and so I understand that the Chris Paul and James Harden relationship probably had and they weren't getting along they didn't see see eye to eye and I think Paul had to play ball screen offense and they couldn't do that when James Harden's on the court and Paul struggled to play with James Harden or to get by his man on a one on one basis and Westbrook will not but lame duck coach new assistant coaches guy who's shown to be tough to coach and a low percentage high volume three point shooter with the highest volume three point shooting team league. I don't I don't see it ultimately ending up in a championship in Houston which is what they say. They're all about be sure to catch live editions of the Doug. I leave show weekdays at noon eastern three P._M.. Pacific on Fox sports radio and the iheartradio APP. I let me let me tell you the east really quickly because I do think it's fascinating the Brooklyn Nets the Netzer a team that if you look on paper mean last year they were like the clip they were the clippers of the east. Everybody loved their culture. People like their coach guys cheered for each other. They were fun team and I'll take people took notice. Kevin Durant even quoted as saying like Sean Maher. He committed to Sean marks before they even said like hey do you want to he was he was in so apparently told shod marks. I love watching play. You're never out of a game you guys is played for each other Yada Yada Yada but stick with me okay so Kyrie Irving is going to a franchise that emphasized scoring point guards had a great culture hat young coach who everybody believed in and seem to only be a star away from taking the next step. Doesn't that feel like Boston. Kevin Durant is going to a place that the team seems to play with great joy great passion play for each other granted much more many more ball screens than the war but doesn't it feel like both of these guys have been down this road before remember the warriors had this unbelievable culture and playing with joy before four Kevin ran got their show. Mark says even said Hey we gotta change some of the way we play because we haven't had these types guys before Oh yeah by the way then you factor in that Kyrie's going to try and prove that he's a leader in the first year where you don't have Kevin Durant that could either help him and hurt durant what if they have a great season without durant durant comes back and they're not as good or that carry can't win and he needs Kevin Durant to help him win. How does he go handle that? Am I willing willing to believe that guys can learn from their past mistakes course course that's why you watch film rights. He can learn past mistakes and not make future ones on the other hand and maybe most importantly what's past his press precedent right and in the past I both these guys have joined great franchises that have had success without them member. The <hes> the Celtics went to the Eastern Conference finals two consecutive years both without Kyrie Irving and the warriors had won a title went one seventy three games terms and though they won two titles it wasn't like Katie enjoyed that experience so what what leads you to believe that this will be any different fascinating social experiment. Isn't it really really is really is everybody. It's Colin Coward here host of the ever-growing heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that I don't feel I tell you what you WanNa hear but what you need we talked every day about the sports stories you have opinions on the heard podcast podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports. Fans listened to the heard that H. E. R. D. With Colin Coward on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts we got a lot of good stuff upcoming. I want to want to in weeks to come discuss kind of the college landscape and the Weird Place Rooted in college basketball where there's a lot of a ton of talent and there's guys that have been impasse over by the N._B._A.. They're still good college but are is is college. Basketball going to get swept up by people thinking the G.. League is the new minor league system or how does the new N._B._A.. Draft Rules of rethink are going to go into effect in a couple of years. Here's how does that affect the college landscape plus well so preview some of the teams we like and we'll continue to bring you great personalities and unbelievable stories like this. If your of my age slightly younger slightly over you you remember Khalid Al Ameen Star Point Guard Group Minneapolis played a Yukon second pick of the Bulls then what happened to him now he's doing some college. Basketball on T._V.. Works with kids as well. His Path is fascinating his chairmanship run done whereas championship game which he looks at looks at the camera and mouths to it we shocked the world is among the ten greatest kind of post game celebrations in final four history. Let's catch up with Khalid al I mean his journey journey his championship and is pro career afterwards. We're joined now by Khalid Al Ameen and I WANNA get to your days a Yukon your days in the N._B._A.. Your travels overseas and and talk about your you're. You're broadcasting career. Let's start K.. You originally from Minneapolis North High School. I remember I saw you play in Vegas Against Greedy Daniels <hes>. Let's say I can't remember what High School Gym was Youtube or the best two best high school player you destroy Greedy Daniels like this dude is when you grew up you grew up playing what was what was the first park. That was your spot. Where you've I learned to be basketball player? Well it was a few parts took. Actually <hes> it was like north comments car with about five blocks <hes> from my home and we had another part court Harrison Park which is about three blocks in the direction and so I was always playing outside. I was always always affiliated created with <hes> outgoing. That's what we did back. Then you know in the early nineties Klay outside you know and <hes> and so no on the blacktop is what you're on your skills you know competitive out there guys talking crassus just how about that it's brought up and and all of that experience helped me become <hes> the man that I am today but the ultimate player that I was that's a Ravensdale. Area Right of Minneapolis is at my my my I it's it's not it's in Minneapolis right before you get the robbins deal not too far away from you know <hes> Minnesota and Minneapolis enter the connected around there. You know it's the real <hes> close type of of city or neighbor take a lot of cities. That's right next to drive through three minutes and you're already in another city. Here together makes them together but <hes> yeah Robbins has some good hoops but Minneapolis where no and and when you were a kid you was was you. I think maybe you're in high school. The you had that Sam Jacobson team that had that have Bobby Jackson. They had a squad that went to the final four the stop was that was at your squad growing like were you guy growing up or did you like somebody come on. I was ruining. Go all the way you know my family my father he brung our family from Chicago <hes> to Minneapolis in the seventies. <hes> you know my whole family from Chicago set me I I was the only child was born in Minneapolis so I I was born and raised here and <hes> you know I it's a great city coming up. It wasn't known as a basketball state so to speak you know I I had to get my name from or late eighties. <hes> coming out of Minnesota was very highly talented. I think <hes> being able to score the ball being able to put the ball in the whole <hes> different spots on the court in different different ways really helped me <hes> nationally and <hes> you know I'm thankful for all the big time players that came before me from Minneapolis and <hes> you know we will meet at the Y._M._C._a.. We'll have open gym <hes> every night of a week <hes> from seven to eleven and <hes> I would just like a sponge there I was this guy playing with older is and I think that's where I feel. I was able to see different. I was like and winning was very important Gordon because it was so many guys in the gym back then Doug that you know you happen to lose you might not be the court again that night or it'd be a few games before you get back on so <hes> priding himself on winning and being smart <hes> was always a part of my game aim at that raised me and I'm glad I had the opportunity to win like ideas because it was instilled in the early yeah it is interesting now how they guys play his place so many games with a you teams that there is in the same kind of punishment punishment of a of losing all right. So why did you go to you because Minnesota was on probation right what went well yes that is one of the reasons and get your right coming out of the big guy. <hes> of course the Minnesota Teams Vikings Komo news or twins back then but <hes> yes definitely about the you and I committed to the you as underclassmen Clinton has <hes> you know I watched him coats. They're growing up and I was in awe family. I haven't he came to see do you play guy could meet him a little bit starstruck and the was where I wanted to go and and it seemed like no that was going to be my home. <hes> I committed to them like I said as an underclass and <hes> you know as my time when all through high school <hes> I was able to go out to the A._B._C. Camp and play the national camp <hes> with the Kobe Bryant's the Lamar Odom <hes> you know all the highly talented all the best players in the country and I won top underclassmen. Question I was able to top underclassmen there <hes> as going as going going into my sophomore year and so I had a teammate rock Lloyd he <hes> he's a big time New York City Guy Yeah Yup Louis Yup and <hes> it was on my team and A._B._C._d.. And so the play with each other got to know each other little bit during that week and his point guard for the <hes> New York City Gaucho had got hurt during the camp so he kinda Kinda asked me to fill in for him out Vegas so I had the opportunity to think of it does a kid from Minneapolis. Minnesota had an opportunity to go on the on the summer circuit with a New York City team that was on her back in nineteen ninety five so <hes> you know I I was already on you know when you actually act my parents were okay with it. We'll have the opportunity to travel them and to become a New Yorker because I was always a hip Hop New York hip hop guy coming up. You know Oh your hip hop but she west coast was so much better I remember we used to go back. Some my dad was in New Yorker. He grew up in the Bronx and we used to go back every summer and he food. I'd go to play it all the different places that he played at he'd like when I was in highschool to get you sit there and wait all day or he tried. Get me in a game or whatever and I remember we put on hot ninety seven and I wouldn't know any of the music and I I didn't like I just didn't like East Coast hip hop when I was a kid such a different style than what I was what I was used to all right so so when you're in high school was was Minnesota on probation then or was it not Marin comic upcoming my a senior care <hes> when everything broke <hes> when one of the former recruits kind of <hes> you know spill to being so to speak in and then next year would have been my freshman year coming in that <hes> they would have been on probation racing so I you know a around that time a little bit before that time I decided I wanted to you know decommit from Minnesota. I wanted to take my visits because you know like I I was traveling with the Gauchos and then that next summer I got to play with the Long Island Panthers Maturity Model Them <hes> Corinne <hes> <hes> remind myself <hes> tomorrow some big time New York is on that team and I I was seeing their recruiting process how you know I used the roommate was Lamar and he was getting recruited by everybody. Does I mean Fisher Steve Fisher from Michigan back then was called <hes> Talk Canaan with calling up every every school as you could imagine with recruiting him and I was Kinda. Didn't you know because he's like wow I was. I like that a little bit of the way to take some visits and got to enjoy the recruiting process so as a junior going into your e committed and it would take some visits and I went to Kansas I wanted to Georgetown I took an official Minnesota and then I went to you want to Connecticut and <hes> so <hes> I was I was looking at the teams <hes> Doug and I had to realize that you know Minnesota. They had the great running here before but my freshman year all those guys that was went to they were graduating. They were means. You know they were upperclassmen. So we weren't GonNa be the same team so to speak so and I was wanting to wind up and <hes> I just wanted to have best opportunity to win a national championship because that's what I wanted to do and <hes> you know I visited Kansas is Minnesota went to Georgetown. I felt that I was going to go to Kansas Doug and <hes> you know I I took that last visit to Connecticut. I got to play with the guy and I just felt him up. You know if it's like a legend around Connecticut that you know when I played with them on my visit I was like directly some of the upperclassmen tell them to go there. What do what you tell them what to do and it was just a management in heaven and so <hes> visiting Connecticut and having the opportunity play with the team just really still there for me and I just knew I wanted to go to Connecticut from that visit all right so you show up on campus and <hes> rip was there but he was like he wasn't superstar Rep Hamilton yet they had a big? Why do Jake Vasco Right U._n._l._v.? Our our morning we're like the two star freshman that that showed up <hes> and then in your Ricky Moore's like a junior but he'd never really been like the guy <hes> because they had they had they had to run Scheffer. When he was a freshman he played he started as a sophomore but they weren't great and so he got what was that what was the dynamic like when you show all up and Ricky's kind of been waiting his whole career to be the guy and you come in and now he's got a play off the ball but that's the thing about done? No Connecticut was always a school where they played more through plank is at the same time because as you mentioned clone offer played with <hes> Kevin Ali Rei Island and ricky more and so he had gotten a little bit of their own Scheffer Ricky more and you know rookie Mo is a big time player before he had a shoulder injury. <hes> you know the season prior to me coming in the because <hes> decide to stop her we all know but he was putting the on basket at that time and so he was a big time player and could mean coming onto the do like hey you know we have to lead guard on the court in the fifties. That's what you need it back into win and <hes> we were just a compatible with each other. You know we were able to play each other strengths in each other's weaknesses and it just worked out well. What did you do for fun? In Stores Connecticut well and you know it was a college town and <hes> you know I was able to like I say just come on the scene and you know had more you had ripped at <hes> Ken Friedman. WHO's been there a year before they showed me? You know there's so many places where <hes> you know no other than that being a college featuring adore me way or you're in study hall or your practice. It wasn't really much <hes> to go in stores but it was a great college town. We had a great time and we made it fun. Let's go to the championship season so like look your first year you guys I mean your first couple years. You guys are legit right. You're legit but your sophomore year here. It's you rips back as a junior. You mentioned Kevin Freeman. Who's just monster on the boards? vaas goes back now mornings back. I mean the great thing. Was You have all these guys back. From from the previous year. You had no freshman no incoming class at all just all dudes ever back. What do you remember about that about that team like when did you? When did you know like a win? The whole thing where it was actually during that summer going into my sophomore season we took a trip to <hes> for a couple of weeks we went to <hes> we went to England and you had the opportunity to play just a couple of professional teams in England and then we flew to Israel we got the player a couple of professional teams from Israel play mcabe <hes> we played another big time team open Israel so so that summer rep was hurt with eye injury he couldn't fairly with us on you know I took a minus with out here and that allowed our role players come on and and to get significant minutes and really show who they were in our morning was lighten up that to those two weeks of Games <hes> Edmund Sanders showed he was a beast rational L. Jones who accepted yeah yes Russell Jones I respect him so much because it was his senior year Doug and he was supposed to go for the goal was his last chance really showed the N._B._A.. Scouts who were and when I came on the scene he saw the type of player that I was type of leader that I was and he took the motion was so much character. I just love that guy to death because in the other guy would wanted to transfer especially in this day and age they were transferred. They got out of there because they weren't getting the minutes that they supposed to have gotten but he respected the game and I just love him for that. In my role players gotta opportunity to really step up and show they're worth to the team and after that trip where we said to ourselves while how we can be really good and the guys prepared for season <hes> like like other you know every workout were competing against each other every tree we wanted to win and we just wanted to see the next guy do well and so that's what it was special show about that creep. GimMe Your your calendar. What what what was Calhoun like to you as a guy who came in and he gave you the ball right away like when I when I say Jim Calhoun Gimme story that encapsulates what he's like to you <hes> he was a beast and I don't know if I said Susan but one time I was the freshman and it was right before the big tournament and <hes> you know they have the coach they go to New York? <hes> prior to the Big East tournament they have their meeting meeting and then it comeback and remember he went up there and came back and we had a practice right before we are leaving. He was like you know going on and he was like you know they're good guys but I wanted. I WANNA kick their but and I know we both know the different word than that and it's a it's a pod you could save. You said he wanted kick ass like that's what he said he wanted to. He had all those motherfuckers and the competitiveness the new pro respectful for discount that he went up against but he wanted to win and that has the urgency really revved up on so when you say coach at home and he he's a genius and he's also so just wanted the most competitive people that I know yeah yeah. Here's okay so my mom grew up in Connecticut and we go to Connecticut like I remember because you didn't used to. It wasn't a now it's a good school. It wasn't a good school when she when she was growing up so she was super super down on it and they start recruiting me when they when they when they took ricky ricky was like out of Atlanta right so they took him ricky that that year and it's funny you say about the multiple point guards so so <hes> Kevin Ali's from Crenshaw High School L. A. Recruiting Me and my dad to talk to Kevin Ali who'd he'd coached against a you and Kevin was around. He was like what's what's Calhoun unlike and he's like it's they play fast. They're always good. You'll play around pros. He's like but he's going to bring another point guard in every year. So if you want to cause you remember when we played they used to give you like two years till your junior year then they would bring another guy to compete with you and if you couldn't like if you couldn't beat out a freshman when your junior like then you aren't good enough anyway you just have to figure it out right. He's like they're like Calhoun doesn't play he doesn't he doesn't care at all and he's just going to bring another point so as long as you don't care about being recruited over because he's going to challenge you everyday. You'll be all right so I wasn't really that into that and then my mom just couldn't get over. She went to Syracuse she. She just thought it was like she's say like plays like Juouko like you. Don't WanNa go there anyway anyway so he calls me actually actually coach Hobbs called me and I get back. I get back from A._B._C._d.. And my my junior going my junior at one very good a._B._C.. That was okay and my my senior I blew up A._B._C._d.. I've played really well. Oh and so hobbs calls pieces. Look one obvious scholarship on a put you on coach Calhoun now gone from southern California and everyone seems i. I always feel like California. People don't have an accent and I'd never really heard a boss next before and so he comes on he starts talking and knowledge does he have as you know a Boston accent because Calhoun speaks really really fast like he talks and together you visit. I'm like okay. Hey coach cool. Yes okay coach and then he puts back coach is back on and I was like coach. I actually don't know what he said. He's like well. He just offering to scholarship. He want to come out and take a visit so I didn't even I didn't even visit but I always I've told I've told them that to this day that that I didn't actually understand him on the phone call but I was I did set up a visit and then ricky committed. I think earlier than I than I ever ever visited but I here's what I loved about him. He was is a lot like Eddie Sutton in that <hes> he kinda manipulate. I felt like he manipulate the media where he tell the media you go and see when the Yukon practice and he like our shit he went on a good fucking guys sock and and then so people in the local media would start to write negative things about like about the and then he would tell the players like see the media doesn't believe in you I believe in you was cemented with these media guys right and then and then he would he would always he would sub dude out before the first T._v.. Timeout somebody made a mistake like Edmund Saunders who I gotTa Get Your Best Edmund Saunders story at some point time Ed Been Saunders would he'd make a mistake and he we when I was covering him and E._S._p._N.. Somebody make a mistake and we'd have bets on meteorologist who he was gonNA take out I and he'd come almost two midcourt and hook that motherfucker out for making a mistake like but his he he he liked guys accepted. It like you go sit for a second then he puts you back in and everybody else got the message and he played hard. What was it like actually play for him? It was it was great. <hes> you know coming up and being point guard <hes> I just had the relationship with every head coach you know I wanted to have a great great relationship because I feel the plane guard is the extension of the coach on the court so <hes> I was always in this offense creaking brain <hes> story going around how you know. Most of the players were accommodated a little bit of course cow home because of his present because of the way he he his speakers way his character is <hes> you know for me. I didn't even see that I just saw he was the head coach and I knew I had to have a great relationship. I have to know what he's thinking man. He has to trust me so I was always in his office picking his brain and were able to to you know have a great relationship but great report and attracted me on the court. At least I think T._D.. Trust me most times so <hes> you know having the opportunity to play for him and and just new history the game I went from North Eastern and and and then he came to Connecticut how he turned it on a big fan of already and opportunity <hes> to run his one of his clubs gloves and wanting to win wanting to do the best we just wear a great mass together and he really bring out the back of me on the court in of course all right. Let's get to the tournament run so you guys are one one of the top two or three teams in the country and I know it goes down as an upset and you run around. We'll get to the game itself in a second but you guys were legit. You did get shipped out West but you're the number one seed and you played you. Remember the Texas San Antonio game at all. Yes tell me about it. It was it was a you know one of the the better first round games. <hes> you know for us being the year before we have played. Surely Dickerson and they gave us run around money. They steered us. You know they played down to the wire Allen offer forty one point so we knew that first game we couldn't play around so we all got out and filled the atmosphere early. Everybody got out there got their shots. WanNa be prepared at wants to go into the game and wants to said it's really set the tone for the tournament is <hes> speech yesterday. We had a great practice prior the ready to do coast here pre game you know about this is our time and you guys really responded to that and that game really telling for the rest of the tournament. Here are a basketball. Let's go to show the country who went really are the next step some of the alleviate the final four all right. If you remember the second round who'd you play New Mexico <hes> they had <hes> Kinney. Oh Oh uh should he be tough now. 'cause he'd be like a small five now. Shoot you chewed. I'll I'll think of it. In a second was a great. He was a big time player. <hes> you know for them and they had a couple other guys who could play and so. I know that nine county we gotta get out and really jump on these guys and set the tone on these guys you know so I just remember <hes> coming into that game. We were all anytime hype and feel ready to play Kenny Kenny Thomas and I was I just can't remember <hes> coming and we went on seventeen two zero run to start the name and so. I don't think if we're up seventeen not gonNA come back if we're up seventeen on them so <hes> you know like I said it was just an extension of that first game was playing at our level and continuing that and then you're on a high after back then played what Iowa I believe so too sweet thing if you play Iowa did you go home. Did you guys go home in between I'm sure I don't remember that I can't tell you <hes> I would. I would say no but I don't remember twenty years ago Moore's <hes> I can't remember but <HES> I I guess my question is this like the Calhoun had done so so many things but he hadn't gotten to a final four right and so was would did you guys. Did you guys feel any of that. was there any talk I mean obviously the media would ask but how how is he during as you're playing in tournament games in the same was he tight was he like he was always the same to me personally. That's the genius about him like you'd never really saw him nervous or if he was he never showed it he repaired the same way he makes sure that we were prepared but his demeanor the way that he talked was it never change it never faltered and and that exte- in confident in meat as the point guard or the team for him to see him have so much confidence and you know whatever he said I took it and ran with it. I thought it was the truth for me so I just I just felt him. You know and I can always remember when he will come into the room home or or the gym for practice so we have a meeting. Whatever you know the I could tell a move that he was in from the first ten seconds when he walked in room? He was all business doug. I was our business you know I if he had a little couple of jokes. Then I knew that the mood was a little bit lighter and I can relax and they'll be myself at times but he was always. Doing you know he really feels the confidence. <hes> then I carry to this day that be sure yourself. You've been working you. You are prepared for the situation now the the most of it and and that's what I love about him so on what was rip like like rip became this unbelievable shooter. I mean basically a lot of it just off floppy right just reading screens you know coming off of down onscreen since you know all the different just moving without the basketball it was incredible and I'm sorry no. It's like you say coming off the streets. The one who taught <hes> have to play off the street he told me how important that was the play off the ball and to get easy buckets and I think I feel some of that into my game <hes> after plenty important you know when you're off the along to make great cuts to keep moving and to use those screens because that's what they ask for all he had this move doug where he would use the screen he will come off downstream the big I will come restraint and you will come off and he knew how to do screen and he and he's going to curl the screen right and defender is right on backup him you know they're playing the correct way. They WANNA trail the screen okay and follow him actually rush off at here's our big man fossil nasty all the big man and kind of I don't Wanna I wanNA say torpedo wound them and while he does that he is swinging. He is pushing the big man into the defender so as just like he's making sure that Jackie streaming has mad and he will come off every downstream every cochrane so wide open that all because you know the guy said such screens and we use it so well that you know put that in a into my name and it was just such a lethal move and he was open every time he he came up with screen he was he was pretty special special. He was specially. That's where he i. I've seen it in A._B._C. my junior we were on the same team actually I didn't you know tell you about that and have a chance but rich rip Hamilton and Kevin Freeman. We all were on the same A._B._C._d.. Team but by Kevin ended up getting hurt <hes> during during the camp but we were on the same team and you went undefeated and I think he was rated. Maybe the fourth or six best player House maybe the ninth or tenth so we definitely wasn't successful camp for House but that was our first meeting with each other and <hes> you know I'm so happy had the opportunity to play with him because he's he's okay so you guys get past the sweet sixteen and now you're playing. You're playing Gonzaga to go to the final four and this was a Gonzaga team and Santangelo is nice but like I can't imagine you guys from Yukon playing the Big East. You guys won the Big East tournament right you smashed I think he's masks Saint John's in the championship right but you you like your close game was Seton Hall not and then you Smash Syracuse you smash Saint John's he get all the way you're in the elite eight this elite eight. What do you remember about the Gonzaga game? I mean that was the over to that was the over the Hump Game You know a few I dunno two or three teams have cow coach. Calhoun teams have primarily gotten to that point <hes> but they didn't get past that point and we were there the a year before so this is this is the game where we had to show ourselves and you know <hes> unfortunately for me. I didn't have a great game but as a team <hes> we played like a team you know we had our ups and downs during the game name. <hes> Gonzaga was a tough minded team they had tough players tough defenders and they were team so <hes> we have to play our best team game for us to win and and down the stretch guys made plays here and they're made eight free throws and we were able to sneak out there but it was a total team effort and <hes> if we hadn't gone to gear up that summer we might not have one such who are so together that that was what ultimately gave us the upper hand against Gonzaga. Yeah what's interesting. Is You know Kowloon's teams always played so fast and yet that game especially you had to place the Gonzaga Slow Down Ohio State Really Kinda slow you down. I know it sorta award winning ash chip she edwin two games in the sixties which is not his style he liked to get up and down impress and really run and they kind of took you out of it and you still found a way to win. Okay so you go and go ahead. No I'm just ambassadors. One 'cause greatness we could play multiple ways we just yes we would love to play get up and down and make it a fast paced game but we could play a slowdown half core game because we have such high I._Q.'s and that went from having to point guards on the court and having a great shooter and having grow guys who didn't care if they score they wanted to get the other guys open and when you have selfless guys like that your team is going to be successful. 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They got a good little squad Cain Johnson the big center other than playing in front of fifty thousand people. Do you remember about that one. I remember that gets the atmosphere of the final four finally be you know being the first Connecticut team to make it there but that wasn't we weren't satisfied with that. We wanted to win. You know there we were you know we kinda got off the off our back so to speak from to throw the coach were there to win and playing you get Ohio as they were just another team that was in our way and we knew that great players like you said as you mentioned that we were better team and Kinda how our hats on that the whole season and we weren't we are the better they have declared but we aren't a better team so we <hes> I think that game I think we slow it ourselves down. The first half we played great play great team bar in the second half we Kinda guy little bit individuals and make plays too much integration and that's the reason why they were able to hang close with us. When it came down the stretch you know we always came back true to who we were and we were able to pull that out she get ready for National Championship game and again on paper in an hour era <hes> the the next year's team for Duke had an unbelievable roster right but in terms of like highly touted recruits batty brand and even Chris Burge's like number one big guy in the country trays Elaine Korry mcgetrick Chris Carrawell Nate James came in from New Mexico? He was McDonald's all American William Avery like damn due date. They had just dudes so you're you're sitting your hotel room in Tampa. What was the prep like for for? Were the the national championship game. You know that <hes> that film session or that's I don't report before the game you know coach down you know before the game he said and he's never said this was before of course voice he said <hes> you know you're going to be better than you and he's never say that to us before and so of course that got our attention right away and so we just had focused coming into that game and I remember us you know we had planned to Governor L.. Every time he got the ball on the block and we did it if we practice that type of defense every day <laughter> and we hardly ever on the block so we were all locking laser and <hes> more able to make the place to be the better team like you said that they should have beat up by on paper they should be by twenty points for you. You know when the team is locked in and then team wants to compete and show they are in can happen and that's why basketball such a great sport as you know He. He used to tell people that he thought the do guys were little soft. He thought that we city kids. We we got ah we got fighters. He and his Calhoun will always say like hey in his. I can't do his accent but he would say like you know. If you go anywhere in the country no one in the no one in a city will ever wear duke shirt. I now you go the suburbs. Suburbs do stuff you go the city duke stuff and he's like and that's why we we beat them is because we got city kids. We got just dudes at our tougher. Do you think that was some of it that the just a little tougher little nasty now I don't i. I don't believe that because you still have to play the game and those guys could play so. I just thought that like I said before we were just a better team. You know from one through twelve or one through ten however many players played that game we had we were the more de eighteen and we were just a better team that night and <hes> you know I we thought coming into the game that gave us a little bit more motivation. They said that we're going to lose by ten points where ten point underdog and come on so that was ridiculous <hes> we had gotta play with a little bit of a chip on our soda so that really helped us out to yeah no listen they went sixteen to know in A._C._C. played in the one the A._C._C. Tournament. They only lost. I remember I remember the game they lost. We were watching it and they're playing the Great Alaska shootout it out right with Cincinnati. Melvin Levitt made a dunk the Buzzer <hes> man that was kind of like a that was that was unbelievable. You know that they they actually lost but I think that gave the teams in the country you know the the confidence Oh okay they are human and <hes> we might up we went into. We felt like they were human. So we want to go out improve every man hey we belong here and we can eh when when the buzzer sounds you're famous for yelling run around we was that we shocked the world right that we said we shocked the world. I kinda said that I said that in the pre game and I I honestly I don't know where that came from around because I mean coach where being interviewed and they said something to me and <hes> I answered the question but I said at the end you know we plan the sock the world tonight and I to this day I don't know where that came from and then like you said when the buzzer sounded. And we had one and I went over to the and set it like it was just so much adrenaline and and you know joy coming out and like I said I it was just a it was just if anything just came out and <hes> it was a slogan you know it's been the slogan every since nineteen ninety nine and <hes> you know I'm just happy to have the opportunity to get it done and to win for the University of Connecticut and coach why why didn't you go pro after that game you know personally. I just felt like I wasn't ready. <hes> you know my game. I feel like I I polish up a little bit. You know <music>. I felt like <hes> you know another year of school would have done <hes> and you know just looking at the you know draft. You know. I wasn't expected to go very high so you know I I kinda. Just okay took that in stride. I said I'm going to get better next year and <hes> you know I'll see what happens next year and so that's the route that maybe it wasn't the right move in in some people's book but for me. I was comfortable with no. I'm just I'm just I'm wondering mile signs on my closest friends and he came back after winning the G._O._p.. And you know he went in the second round and he probably would might have gone the first first round. He doesn't necessarily I don't I don't know has many regrets. We should be pointing out like that. Year was a nasty year draft right like we'll you would have been your sophomore year. L. Bram went one Steve Franchise went to Baron Davis win three right Lamar Odom went four while he served by rip seven Sean. Mary went nine Jason The jet Jason Terry Wynn ten like that right monitor. Nobly I think was the last one of the last players of the draft. <hes> Andrew Miller went eighth like that that was I think we're chartres. Lewis was the last pick of that draft okay so <hes> William No. He wasn't last pick he but he he was the last one in the Green Room. That's what happened. We were shot but Dude William Avery you went fourteen. How did that happen and some you know? I've heard a lot of you know. People have asked where I would have gone to the Minnesota. Timberwolves Khalidi went to the general. Yes yes and so you know I'm happy for him that he got the opportunity came out and <hes> for me. I made a decision like I said I'm comfortable with it and it is what it was. What's it like to try to go like is There D? Do you think you weren't I mean there's a bunch of things you lost reputation scrape players. There's some other stuff going on but was the let down the next year because it's just hard to relive it to live up to the expectations is was because as you you you weren't fully back in school emotionally. Why did you guys have a display next season well? I think you know type of season the great season that we were all <hes> hoping for that we all were used to you know coming off of a you know a thirty four and two season wow come on now you know you know and so ah and we didn't have those same type of players <hes> losing Richard Hamilton <hes> was was a big blow to our team losing rational Jones leader right team. You know who's ricky more and all these guys you know <hes> yes so those are big shoes to feel and you know <hes> and we we go to the guy that that's just going for the first time and not to mention what we got to the tournament you know I got hurt on some freaky spin move that I've done a million times that I still don't know to this day. How I got her? How I frame my ankle doing thing I spend move and so it just all those things accumulated and we were you know put out by Tennessee and the I dunno around thirty whenever it was so you know all those things multiplied? Where's the reason that we didn't have a successful tournament run <hes> but it was still a successful season my junior year and <hes> you know I learned a lot from it and the guys did too so you walk into Kowloon's office afterwards? Is that how you how'd you decide to leave to go pro well. <hes> I was kinda nervous to go into as often and <hes> 'cause. I know you know it was a lot of talk going on and <hes> he would've wanted me to stay and if if he told me to say I would've but I was ready. I think I was ready to go. <hes> you know it was just time for me to for new challenge and so <hes> you know I have my parents make the phone call to him or Mexico. Actually I think my parents came out and talked to him and told him and <hes> and then I had to meet him to soften 'em up first and then I had to meet him meeting with him and <hes> you know that's how we decided that you know it was time for me to move on and and we did so you know I I had a good <hes> Kappa Chicago. <hes> went thirty four. I would like to have gone first round but you know I had opportunities to play and a lot of first round players lottery players. They don't get opportunity to play right away. You know it depends on the team where they go and and I had opportunity I started fourteen games. I made the rookie all star Games I did. You're you're you're going to fast. They're Khalid Okay so hold up. Wait a minute so you your family hold on your family moved from Chicago to Minneapolis Year. Were roughly the same age by like I finished in two thousand your little bit younger than me and I know Mike was gone and the Bulls weren't very good but what's like what's it like to walk in that Locker Room and you see Bulls in the front and element on the back man. It's a dream come true and <hes> I it's unbelievable actually and conceive the facility to see the bird oh center where M._J.. Last month and winter practice every day and you know and the pros that was still there when I was coming up I thought Toni Kukoc we'll do their you know and the the legendary <hes> you know strictly conditioning coach is that they had and it was just a a dream come true. I wanted that <hes> <hes> you know to be forever you know but unfortunately it is a business and <hes> you know I. I'm just happy I had the opportunity <hes> to reach my goal and and to play as many games I did you know I learned a lot about being professional from being in the N._B._A.. And it helped me career <hes> after Chicago Dow did they did. They like officially. They cut you like how ended had it end yeah well it. Was You know I think was fifty one games maybe into the season and <hes> you know before the before the morning around. I don't know playing I takeoff caught me had long talk and no telling me that you know they were going to waive meet. Everyone let me go <hes> but he told me no gave me some expiring word for motivation for me to us and <hes> you know and we're we parted ways and that's the business you know it's a one day. You're there and one day you might not be there and so you know this game that we chose. It's not always fair but you know you have to be strong and you have it'd be willing to to go through those type of <hes> downs in order for you to you have the man that was definitely a big time down or doug was my <hes> my dream cleaning Chicago has so much family there. Who had the opportunity see me play like I said I'd love to every minute of it but I understood? What a business anyway just time for me to move on? What was I mean look? Did you did the whole thing you the thing you played in Germany. You played in Israel. You played in Turkey. He played a bunch in Turkey. You play Lithuania. You played everywhere Ukraine craziest expire crazy story. You could tell somebody ah the craziest stories were in Israel. We were in Turkey and <hes> you know it. Will unfortunately you know a suicide bomber had <hes> decided he wanted they wanted to strike <hes> not so far away from where everywhere <hes> you kilometer miles away and <hes> you know both times we actually we heard the explosion was so loud like an earthquake almost and so that was the craziest most serious part about out being injured or or or being overseas are experienced with that and <hes> you know I it was something that we live with as a family you know we were scared for a while but you know we kinda got over grit after a while and we had to move on because you know in this day and that's life and so we were able to do that whatever to regroup we went on and have had a terrific season in those associates. If if you could give the younger you some advice I hate Khalid. You're sixteen year North High School if you here's some advice that you could use now that you're you know you're forty and then you played seventeen years professional basketball. What would it be no I? I would be more <hes> I I would take the you know my eating habits more serious. No no I was a I was a gun kid who thought he could could eat anything because in Jim in every day and we all know it doesn't matter how many you know how much time we spend in the gym if you're eating habits are not like no. You're still going to look say you're still going to be the same so I would take my eating habits a little bit more serious than I did and <hes> you know because later my career I was able to <hes> you know to understand the things that I that I needed to eat and you know and I was able to play. You know over sixteen years definitely so so <hes> I would. That's what I would feel younger <hes> Alamein and also you know <hes> you know being in the N._B._A.. You have respect that and you know it's the best players in the world that you have to respect that and so spending as much time in gem that has to be the number one thing and so any young player coming up. That's what they should be concentrating on. <hes> that's what I would tell me for eat right and to put as much time I into the gym at that. It needs to be Peace U._p._C. Your career. Oh I'm definitely am I definitely I would have liked to stay in the N._B._A.. Longer of course <hes> you know that's a no brainer but I had the opportunity ability to travel the world by playing basketball. I know best coolest coolest place that you live. There's one place just living coolest place. Wow many I love expand boiled. I I love vs you know. I left Cratia airplanes that I've been so every place that I've been as been great. They're beautiful city. You know beautiful people. <hes> you know so I I would say Kirk everywhere that I have been is just in unbelievable last thing you mentioned how you change your Diet but you do love food favorite thing you eight overseas. You're like man. This is my favorite thing say that the food I and Turkey is unbelievable Manda seasoning. They love the barbecue. <hes> the Turkish food is unbelievable. I I love it. <hes> you know anyone dish anyone dish well. I likes Donald Kebab. I it's a it's a little bit of a spicy <hes> <hes> meat red meat beef of course and they grill it but it just it's just a flavor that has has and believable and you have to try it. I can't explain it. My explanation wouldn't be but just as you just have to try Donna Kabbah when you when you go into Jim stand now now you you have your own camp. You're doing broadcasting when when when you walk in like I I had my producer he's only twenty eight cleaned l mean on. I'm so excited and he's like I've heard that name wherever I heard it. How do you feel when when you walk into a gym especially now like an A._a.? You Jim what what's it beeline for people to know who you are. All you've done man. I it's fantastic. Every time I two gym up. Teen people come to me. Tell me they respect me as a player take they can. I talk on you know. A lot of people understand that. I'm training now when they get my number. They want me to get into Jim with their what their son or they're you know whatever so it's always been loved. It was always been like that I I I've been a player of the people so to speak Doug. You know I'm only five nine and three quarters you know most of my career beyond the Chubbier side you know so I'm like the average Joe Professional Basketball or college basketball uh-huh so I think the average person really <hes> you know they they have this bond with me you know and so I think that's why I have the reception that I have every time I step into a gym that everybody you know they give me respect. They give me a little. They showed me love and <hes> you know they want to know what I'm doing now so I'm very thankful for that. You know being able to be recognized. <hes> for the you know the hard work that I put into the game and it's just fantastic to be remembered for your hard work because that's all we wanna do you WanNa live leave a legacy for ourselves and for someone to recognize you as a great player or a type of player that they looked up to <hes> it means the world and <hes> I'm thankful for and your winner right and that's that's the big thing is you. You're a Kalima elitist. I love catching up with this is so great <hes> we'll catch up some here offline and talking about other stuff but thanks so much to spend time. Listen the ball podcast. Oh Yeah I'm tune in appreciate. It and I can't wait to hear your next big thing be sure to catch live edition so the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at noon eastern three P._M.. Pacific thanks to clear de la mean thank you for downloading the all podcast. 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"We've got him to individuals. Some people leave Bob and Sheri your. It's morons in the news. The police in Elkhart County Indiana tried to pull over a twenty five year old guy whose name is Musab el Hussein from Minneapolis. This was on Wednesday night. They spotted him in his Red Ford Mustang in a seventy mile per hour zone and he was doing one hundred and twenty miles per hour. Who Saab kept going. He got into a twenty five mile shakes with the cops for twenty five miles. This dude is over a hundred miles per hour. Twenty five miles well. He finally stopped and they went up to the window. Put Your hands up. Got Him out of the car against the car and one of the cops said what were you doing. He said I saw. I saw that. You wanted to drag race. Let me choose today. The police for one drag race okay. He's been arrested for reckless. Driving resisting arrest. That's my God. That's some exercise holding car at that speed for that long. Or what is your car driver? Let's go to Franklin Georgia for today's more on of the day it's a Georgia councilman a Clifford Henry Giles. He's been charged by the jour-jour Bureau of Investigation for swapping the price tag on a beef tenderloin with that of a cheaper pork tenderloin the piggly-wiggly and councilmen picked up the tenderloin which had a eighty three dollar price tag on it and swapped it out with the twelve dollar price tag on the pork. He's fifty four years old and was arrested. The next day on theft charges I did not make it clear how they came to suspect Councilman Giles. And it wasn't immediately clear. He has a lawyer. That's GONNA speak on his behalf. All we know is is that probably store security plus the councilman swapping price tags. I wonder if he had one of those piggly wiggly t shirts that kids like I have. I HAVE A BLACK SHIRT TECH STORE. Moron to eight to six to seven four three seven. We'll send today's more of the day right to your phone. And when you do it you're automatically registered to win a bottle of our customers. Bob and Jerry hand sanitizer. It's called people. Mckee sick a thirty six year old construction worker in Florida name. Richard Hamilton did not want to go to work last week instead. He's decided he call in not sick but he would call in a bomb threat. It sounds like he was already on the site doing construction at a water treatment plant near West Palm Beach and he just wanted to go home just did not want to work that day so called in the bomb threat. Twenty people had to be evacuated. The cops must have traced the call because they questioned him and he claimed he'd lost his phone but after a while. They searched his car. He He's charged with making a fake bomb threat. Released them out of ten thousand dollars. Bail you know so. Many people want to go to work. Here's a guy with a GIG and he's calling in bomb threats to go home. I mean I think we all know how it feels to just need a day off but we don't. We don't live in a time now where you can make coney bomb threats. Let's end morons in the news in Palm Coast Florida where Flagler County Sheriff's deputies paid visit to a home and home had an unusual welcome mat to welcome. Mat. Read come back with a word. So that's what the deputies did and Flagler County sheriff. Rick Staley said quote. This poison peddler had a doormat. That said come back with a warrant. Detectives did just that following up on tips received on this residence. We still have a little bit of to do but we have seized fennel and drug paraphernalia deadly drugs and syringes. They are off the street if you are a drug dealer. Why would you buy a doormat? That says compact with warring well. Especially if you're living in an apartment where that guy was living because you're gonNA have neighbors that walk by and they're gonna go release something going on there and we're going to tip off the cops right. You WanNa get a warrant. You WanNa get a doormat. That said something like we're dog people or knock. If you like cats not warrant that is more on the news coming up. We're going to reach out and check in with our CO worker. Who is holed up his five hundred square foot bunker waiting to talk to us right now. Our website is B. O. B. A. N. D. S. H. E. R. I. Dot Com and in about half an hour. We're going to salute all of our essential workers with our ten winners right here. It's Bob and Sheri.

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Beyond the Headlines  Detroit  Episode 35

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30:07 min | 1 year ago

Beyond the Headlines Detroit Episode 35

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW dot I'd tested troy dot com before information. Welcome to beyond on the headlines with your host veteran journalist dealing nipple breath welcome to another edition of beyond the headlines. I'm your host. Darren Nichols on Sunday. The world faced a tragedy when Kobe Bryant can't his daughter G G and seven others died in a helicopter craft crash. Many myself were numb and over the past suv days we've seen tributes at NBA Games thousands of fans outside of the sample center and high emotions from players and fans. who had a connection to colby with us today to discuss this? This tragedy is Terry Foster. The longtime columnist at the Detroit News News and radio personality. Welcome Terry yes thank you battling great As we're getting started started. Tell us How you're feeling right now Just a few days after Kobe's death. Well I'm I don't WanNA use the term over it but I guess I wasn't as emotional as other people were. I mean it was a tragedy and as the fact that it happened but I think maybe I'll fall in line with my daughters. Selene she she cried over what happened. She didn't in cry over Kobe. Bryant Laker Kobe Bryant the basketball player. She cried Kobe. Bryant father and g the daughter because he was taking her to You know a travel game and what she thought about was all the travel games that I took her to know reading go by helicopter. We went by car and So it was a special bond between me and my daughter in the same thing that cold the end so I was really sad by the family aspect of With she g Kobe being there and my my whole thing I wonder what the final moments what's were like. Was He able to comfort. Her was able to hold her hand. How you know probably not because you know things happen pretty quickly and I'd never been in a plane? Crash helicopter crashed. I think everything's pretty hectic and in terms of players around the league When you've got kawhi Leonard who shared the same helicopter and pilot as Colby and others like the Brown who saw Kobe the night before? So so tell me what you think. may be going on in their minds Thank God probably. What's going through their mind? But you know it seems like that The pilot made an error. And sometimes if you're a valuable commodity that you need to table to talk to the pilot and say no This seems to Dane were. Let's go back home or let's go somewhere safe and not do Louis today so You know that seems something that that athletes should be able to do. And I'm sure they do if they think they're endangered so then shook why. Leonard it was like Oh my gosh. I'm just so happy. That wasn't in that light or that I haven't been in that situation relation I think now Athletes and people other people who are going to be riding helicopters knows if this boggy. Let's pull out that do this okay. And terriers as a journalist Tell us about the first time you met Koby and tell us a little bit about about what you learned from him and what you thought of him As a basketball player as well as Potentially the evolution of him Seeing him possibly at as an eighteen year old kid you know moving on to someone who has grown into adulthood. I think the thing that struck struck me at the same thing with Colby Angle Brian James. At such a young age how mature they the way that they spoke as when I when I talked to WHO a lot of NBA players. Especially when they're young they're just rambling. They're talking that they're not really saying anything. The Kobe spoke. Okay little slower He wanted you to understand what he was saying and He was trying to get a message across. So that was The thing that struck let me with him And you know a few times when I when I was covering our peak in to Opponents locker rooms see if they were doing and usually you guys are just horsing around and laughing having a good time Koby always had his headphones on was staring at some notes on The opponent that night and he was razor sharp focus now the one time I saw him that he was not focus was prior to the two thousand four. NBA Finals with the Detroit Pistons. The news sent me out early to talk to To a Lakers story I talked to Kobe. Bryant and Gary Payton and they barely barely knew who they were playing. They did not respect the piston. You know it was just a matter of time before they won the series and that was the only only time I saw him unfocused and Pistons ended up completing the Pistons. Sweep by beating Lakers in five games in that series so And why do you think that they weren't focused at that time. Because they didn't respect the Pistons They thought was in theory team. Bill Jackson Kinda lose to that in his book. You know there's no way they should have lost a limb You know you have a center and Wallace who can't score You have a center and Ben Wallace who they thought could not stop check but the person stop checking. The sears was Kobe. Kobe wouldn't pass just to him or he didn't pass them enough so So it may then wallace his job it easier but They just looked at the Pistons of the defensive team. Couldn't score enough point. Stay up with them and you know that in the in the in one of the things that struck may was his friendship with Richard Hamilton. I mean they knew each other Since they graduated from high school they both were on the Donald. All American team together talk talk to me a little bit about that and and what that made in terms of the competitive rivalry rivalry between both of those players. Yeah 'cause rip rip was a guy that we know he wasn't the greatest player in the NBA. He was very good but he thought he was so well if that was the case then you know he. He wanted to stop Kobe. He wanted to Outdo Colby so And that started in high school continued in the NBA. Kobe obviously didn't play In College but rip was one of those guys that I was. We call them energizer the giants bunny. He felt he couldn't be stopped when he was when he was on and then Kobe. Bryant is one of the best defenders in the history too so I am sure that You know they they bark back and forth to each other and a friendly matter and Because you know rip Hamilton. You know if you ask them. He thought he was every bit as good. That is Kobe Bryant even though we know that was not the case. Sure when when we talk about about Kobe he came into league at seventeen and he wasn't a refine player by any stretch of the means but he had the mentality of wanting to be the best. I'll what did you notice out of Kobe over the years. What was something that stood out about him that you did? You saw him that you wouldn't see In other players well I'll tell you what First Year first couple of years and Kobe's career. He took the big shot. Ah missed it now to me. That's significant because young players. Don't even WANNA take shots. There's a bunch of guys the NBA. Don't WanNa take that shot in the last thirty or forty seconds of the game. Here's Kobe the teenager. I'm GonNa take best shot and I live with it. That's that's pretty big right there from a guy you could tell that greatness was on his mind even though he wasn't hitting the big shot the youngster but then as time progressed. He embraced that role and felt more comfortable more relaxed. Knew he didn't have to rush things and that because of his validity they should get off any shot that he wanted to make another shot and so what made him sort sort of change into that. Because you know either you have it or you don't so what did you see out of him. That made him You embrace this Being the person who will carry all the weight of being the winner or the loser of game. Well I mean I think a lot of people. We'll talk about Kobe. Bryant work ethic and part of work ethic is confident part of. Because if you work hard you know you're going to have success Now you don't always have success but in your mind everything's GonNa work out and so I thought early on. He still felt the things. We're going to work out but he didn't figure the league out he didn't figure out the fact that you know I've got more time than than I thought I did. I don't have to rush this shot. I can still go through my ABC DS and es whatever he had in his mind it hit the shot. And so I think what happened. As you got older the game was slower for him. He slowed it down He took his time. He's a little bit more focused and I think when he was young so he was just taking shots. Shots opened the Lyn. Okay and and so you mentioned his work ethic Talk a little bit more about what his worth worth work ethic was and did you ever get a glimpse of his workout After a game because because Dwayne Wade told a story the last night that they were playing in Miami and The way that Miami was defending Kobe that they kind of shut him down that night and after after the game after he had done all his press he ended up working out on the floor on the things that he you know worked on or or what he missed during the game and I never actually witnessed a post game workout Kobe Bryant but I have seen him in arena like three in the afternoon when there's no the only people in the arena of the workers and Kobe Bryant was there he just not taking instead shot but he's going through his steps on his foot work Faking guys out acting as if there's defender in front front of him and the dudes all lathered up you know he's a sweat all over his face and his Practice uniform drench You don't see that much of the day because I think what happens. Guys may do that early in their career when they become better They don't Oh he's bothered show up they make it their workout during the The pregame shootarounds but by four or five three o'clock you know they're just rushing their legs and in Kobe Bryant. A lot of times didn't rest as legs. And I'm sure Phil Jackson which was do what I'm going to spe- I'm GonNa work you if you're going to show up to the gym five hours early I'm GonNa be there six thousand dollars so that was that you know Black Mamba what if you want to call it right. And so what. What made him do that? I mean I mean because you know I mean you're talking about Michael People like Michael Jordan started to breakfast club. You know in Chicago. I mean what. What makes them have that extra gear that that The that that thing that just sort of makes them Do things that are abnormal to the average. NBA The player. I don't think any of us can answer that question. He's just somebody special. He's somebody that comes around every a few generations you have to understand. Let's let's throughout the basketball. This guy is classical pianist. speaks five languages You Know Oh won. An Oscar writes children's books This is a guy that works on everything that he does and Dan. You know. Maybe that's one of the reasons why people mourned the loss. Because they knew that this was somebody special. Not just the basketball player there because I've had elite basketball players. Tell me if you just think of me as a basketball player than I have failed because they want to be known in so many other uh-huh different ways whether it's running and seeing whether it's writing what what is acting with singing doing other things they just WanNa you know they. They just don't want to be picking old as a one dimensional player obviously. Kobe was like that sure as journalists. Tell tell me go tell us a little bit about your interactions with Colby and what they were like. Oh what was it like sort of trying to interview him was he Very quiet was he very calculated clue into to the inner workings of you dealing with Kobe. Bryant as a journalist It was difficult sometimes because you know everybody wants to Interview Kobe and It was like you had your ten minutes and that was it Except for maybe people that he knew a little bit better maybe gave them extra time but that was always the visiting writer and so you don't get the no guys so you know just fire questions and was a little bit tough sometimes and and I think the I think you knew you had a ticking working clock on you had your ten minutes or eight minutes or whatever it was and I was Gonna be it. And then when it was done he was done he would just You is usually wearing ice on his elbow. You know he was just Secure that you know. Put on a sport jacket and he was gone so didn't have great interviews with them except the one time the two thousand four NBA finals. where I thought he was an unfocused player? Okay and and what was your favorite memories with him if you have any You know I I wasn't real tight with him. I think maybe the favorite you know. I don't know a favorite memory but it was prior to the two thousand four NBA Finals. When I saw Kobe I hadn't seen before it was a guy that was kind of unfocused and distracting stuff so to me it struck me as odd? I don't know if it was favorite. But it was a memorable Confrontation that compensates but interaction with them. Okay a lot has been made of the Mamba Mentality And so so clueless into what you believe what the Mamba Mentality was. The Mamba Mentality is. I'M GONNA strike. I'M GONNA strike fast. You're not GonNa know what hit you and and I'm going to be the best player on the court tonight. You're not going to beat me. I think those all ingredients that he brought into the game night in and night out At least that's what he tried to do because one thing I learned about the NBA is. You can't be what you want to be on every night and it's not just because of the opponent but it may be because of scheduling is because you play board games and five nights in your phone. It is only you know hasn't played two days. They might might be a little bit fresher at the end but he tried to bring that mindset and then mentality every time he walked into the rain up. Talk Okay to talk to us a little bit about Kobe Bryant the father and the family man that he became well I'm only familiar with him in G G but you know he wanted to preach or teach her uh-huh and other kids to about basketball The INS and outs of the game about how you can not only outmaneuver your opponent out. Thank your opponent. And obviously she bought into it because sometimes when you look at G. G.. She's firing back you know. She's not just listening. She's got her own fought she got her own mindset and they had to come from coby so that was I think that was a great sure that she had and And so that was very important to that and plus does that bother author daughter relationship. You know they can wrap around their fingers and I'm sure she did that with him to Mike Mike. What was you quote? My question gene is what will his legacy mean Twenty thirty or fifty years from now. Well I guess you could be the NBA Da logo. 'cause I got a I got a email last night for a friend of mine and California and just two million people who petitioned to have him His Silhouette as NBA logo did not sign it. And I actually don't agree that he should be. I think it should should be Michael Jordan. If you're GONNA move away from Jerry West but I think what he's going to be known as he's going to be known as a general generational player I mean. There's a Lotta a lot of great basketball players. But there's only a few where a group of other very good players are going to emulate are going to you be encouraged by you going to be motivated by you and You know recent memory the only ones I can think of probably Michael Jordan Colby Lebron James and maybe I on might be the next one and Ladonna maybe a player like that where he can push for agendas. You can push forward players. You can teach players how to become great so You Know He. He may not be one of the top three players of all time greatest players of all time but maybe number three on the list as far as being influential maybe number two. So that's what he's going to be known as the guy that's influential a guy that has a generation Russian of players who will swear by him and I think that he's degraded of all time and and talk a little bit about that impact impact with players as well as fans that never met Kobe Bryant you're talking about people like victory depot last night. Who made a big three three and after the game he talked about how Kobe head influences game And he had never met him So talk talk a little bit more about his impact in that sort of way particularly. We'll see I think. Now we're yeah we're at an age now where you can see everybody's every move even if you miss it on television you can get on the Internet also Kobe would speak to these guys he would teach you know. Even though he was a young man he was like a elder statesman. He was like the professor that That you listen to and that you learn and they made you a better player and a better person so that's going to be like a C.. And once again that's it's very difficult to Come by especially in league where everybody thinks that the greatest and the first one one of the things that I've noticed over the last few days is that Kobe has brought out a lot of emotions out of particularly black men who have been crying who have been morning who haven't been able to express how how they are In terms of dealing with the loss of Kobe talk to me a little bit about How he affected particularly black men who who have been known not to show their emotion As to what is going through what they've been going through. Yeah you know You know black males in particular have to be strong you know nothing bothers us. We don't talk to people no matter how bad things are and Kobe reminded reminded them that. It's okay to let your emotions out. It's okay to love. Somebody says okay to hug somebody. It's okay to cry So I think he He taught us that. And that's very important and you know these not only see helping players that he never met but he's just helping humanity and human beings that he's never met for people came ball so That was a part of his greatness to okay. What what do you expect that will happen? I know you. It's hard to sort of anticipate exactly what's going to happen but you know you've got the All Star game that's coming up in a couple of weeks You know fans are still pouring in and out of the staple center You know as a Friday. You'll have the the first game With the Lakers and clippers at the staple center And then you know later on this year you could probably anticipate Code right right being elected to the hall of fame because this is first year being up for Being in the hall of fame and so talk to talk to us a little a bit about What you anticipate? And how long Disputed that we're in will last and I think disappeared this period. We've been right now. So the for most of the nation will last until the super bowl so we need a big event to pull us out of the morning morning of Kobe Bryant now as far as la That's going to last a bit longer and one thing I was thinking about I know how to discussion with some some people who's going to win the NBA title. And I said if they team in. La Wins It. It's going to be the clippers. Well maybe that changes now. Maybe you haven't hasn't working working. Maybe you have players. Maybe you have a fan base at all bridges together and becomes a superpower when not the clippers become the team in La that could win an NBA title. But I think also games big event We're GONNA see The motions is pouring from people for for a while at least in La and then You know after we have the Super Bowl. The Kobe morning period. What kind of died down the rest of the nation For a lot of young people south for a generation that's younger than me Their stars are sort of dying off. Young you're talking about out nipsy Russell. You're talking about big you're talking about to park you're talking about Colby and and several others Who have left You're talking about a Leah. Who has left far too soon? Talk to me a little bit about what that means for our hard for for a generation That will revere Kobe because he'll never obviously after Sunday he'll never become The bill Russell Of his time where he can give his advice to all the younger players. So talk to me a little bit about that. I think what happens happens is when we have heroes die young you don't you never see them. At their greatest as far as education as far as movements and things things like this because but we will see them at their greatest as performer. But we won't see them at their greatest as a man or woman because When you're in your twenties you just want to get paid? Then you know late Twenties and thirties you're talking about trying to win championships and And and trying to leave a legacy in a sport when you get into your forties and fifties and sixties. It's like how can I make the world better and and I and we never got to experience that stage with Kobe. Bryant We we don't you know I think we did to a certain point point nipsy hustle. But we didn't see him at his greatest where he's mature And still has youthfulness about him that can lead people that would allow him to lead people to You know greater heights so we we never get this got see that Kobe Bryant Before we get out of here Terry give us your final thoughts on everything we sort of talked about today and anything else that you I want to discuss US relates to Kobe. I think Kobe did and the reason that we have this national outpouring. If he showed the he has more than a basketball player he showed us that he does have its flaws we showed him. He showed us that he is a sports icon. But he's also also human being and I think once you roll that all together that people their emotions Just outpouring of love outpointed. Respect and at outpouring thanks because whether you realize it or not. He left an impact on on a lot of people's lives and I think they ought to thank them because they know they can't do it personally and probably never could even when he was alive but they just want to thank him. I think this is more more of a tribute thanks than Than missing the guy where they you know they'd probably go hand in hand. Okay okay. Well thank you Terry. We we appreciate you taking out time and being on the show Today and Maybe we'll have you back on for something else. Are there sounds good. Sarah's late that the broke out some chicken wings and It was a frenzy around here so I understand it's late. That's okay all right. Thank you to and as we leave beyond the headlines. This week Not Not only keep Kobe Bryant in your thoughts and prayers And keep his family in your thoughts and prayers. Make sure that you keep the other seven seven people that were in the helicopter with Kobe Bryant in your thoughts and prayers because right now Kobe Bryant is getting all of the attention all all of the the love and everything that goes with a celebrity that is has been lost but we also have to remember that there were several other people in that that helicopter with them and they all they all have families they all have friends they all have people who love them as well and with that will end beyond the headlines this week and we hope you have a great time as we leave beyond on the headlines. We'd like to always leave you with an inspirational quote to ponder for the next show. This one comes from Susan L. Taylor in every crisis there is a message. Crisis are nature's way of forcing change breakdown. Old Structures shaking loose negative habits so that something new and better can take their place until next time. We'll see you on beyond the headlines Yeah.

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Andy Ruiz Confident Ready to Shock The WorldAnthony Joshua Slip Up

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1:31:16 hr | 2 years ago

Andy Ruiz Confident Ready to Shock The WorldAnthony Joshua Slip Up

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I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group, mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now, get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry, it's pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Morning TBB. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, is fight weeks. Monday morning fighter arrival invitation, only five PM to eight PM TBB got the invite will be in the building. We will sit down with Anthony Joshua and Andy. Now, how much time are we going to get we just don't know but patches on the back because numbers is powering, because you subscribe to the YouTube channel, you've got us? I went invitation. We're here to discuss it, and release super duper confident thinks that would eat brings we'll go we'll be undesignated in calls him to get the upset victory. So this is what we're discussing the possibility of an upset. The fact that Eddie Hearn is he being a great promoter building this up or is he telling the truth being honest, saying that he fears what Ruis brings to the ring? I'm not sure I'm going to go with the ladder. But my name is nester gives you could find me on Instagram and Twitter at as GTO. Don't forget, the hit the thumbs up on your way into the livestream thumbs up, helps with the visibility of the show, plus a less me and my co hosts know you enjoy getting up every morning, they bring you a morning show at nine AM eastern ADM central six AM Pacific standard time, seven mountain, and. P M K, let me go on out to my co host. But I you know, the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one press one, one time to voice, your opinion, right here on the voice of the people hotline. Don't forget, you can add us to gives you can call from anywhere in the world. All you gotta do is adn us to Gibbs on Skype if you don't got the Skype app, download it it's absolutely free while you're at that market, whether it's Android or iphone. Don't forget, the download the patriots where me and Mike. We'll be going live today on untitled sometime today. Probably not at seven being as though, I'll be where Anthony Joshua, but definitely today, because we have to review the movie that dropped yesterday or this week. I'm drawing a blank here, but me and my both went to see it and it's called bright burn. It's the reverse superman story. That's fucking right? The reverse superman. What would have happened if Mr Clark Kent wasn't a nice guy, what would have been if Mr Clark Ken had all those special powers, but bullied throughout elementary school in high school, what would have happened to a man the succumbed to his powers and realize how great is superior. He was to the human race. So that's bright burn. Check it out. Pretty cool super. Villain, horror story. So we're gonna be talking about that on untitled. But today we're talking about Joshua released. Let me get on out to my co host and partner in crime, Mike an Indiana. Dot com. State. Stand up stand up. Comeback. Dot com. Yoyo was good. Everybody out there, then TBB universe Beck with another one. I have no idea. When that's talking about. I was because he Aladdin big to smell year man tough tough. I'm talking shipper. The release comes out and talk to says. He's ready confident he's ready to shock the world. Do I believe him? Yeah. I believe I don't know if either scare do I think that he has a chance of doing that, you know, it may be slim to nine on somebody definitely has a chance with the happen. That, that's the most important thing. I don't believe it will I think Josh were been on this level for a long time, not a long time. But bit on his more in has bigger fights and believes is up first time going to be in the hostile crowd house, dollar environment. I what second time challenging for some he's up against it. But he's saying all the right things doing all the right things. Really just ready to see this fight go down this what Joshua offering and I'm excited to see what nets is able to pull out these guys when he goes up to the. Private dinner or whatever. And if you guys want to see the mindset today and going forward, then I could probably make a better assessment on what end is going to catch right now. Like, notice people think he's just a tuna, but some guy Josh was going to be, but the way he's talking in sports interviewees far from it. This is what you want to hear from a fighter that's going up in the biggest fight of his career. I wouldn't though. Exactly. So I'll ask you some of the stuff that he's saying like. Do you believe Joshua hasn't faced any one like? Andy ruis. That is a. I paint. Joel Parker kind of similar to anyways, not, not like. How you looks but fast hands work those punches in nations on, I think Joshua has seen a little bit. But maybe res hands maybe a little bit faster than Parker. Parker does has some pretty fast hands. But I don't know about the power level of Parker wasn't able to Josh way. Same like so has to either by on YoM she'll do a Parker wasn't willing to do in a really, really attack the body of AJ. Well, I can't say Parker wasn't willing to do because the referee that they had in that fight wasn't allow him to do much. So, yeah, man, I think parking may be comparison for Andy Reid. Yeah. You know, it's funny because we woke up to quotes of Andy Ruiz, saying that he believes he can do far better than white and Carlos tackle. What do you think about that statement? Can you see him even on short notice? Being able to do perform better than dealing why. And Carlos absolute thing he can perform better than than than white and I know what you guys take at my year tripping tripping. I'm not talking about the now I'm talking about daily white flight that he AJ the wife that was still grieving still coming up in. It was still domestic level. I think at this point in time and the reasons better than than that domestic level dealing white when. Two years ago. So I do believe they came to better than white, but I don't know if he can come up with the possible upset, and as far as tacking goes. Tacking whether live dog man. You gotta take care of, but a lot of people were mad about that stoppage, and he was mad too. So he wasn't really giving AJ much to like, you know, saying be be overly concerned about, but I believe he can possibly do better than both good hands. Get a pop on his punches. It seemed like impact work but yeah, I could possibly do better than those guys. Does his style? Mesh better than attack them in the DeLeon white. Like is he more of a threat style wise than Carlos tackle DeLeon white were in their respected fights? No, maybe better than colors tack him. But dealing agent had bad. Those guys came out, fighting from the fucking jump, so and they had like in between that he's not going to be be frayed to get here. He's not going to be frayed to bring it to AJ soap style match might might make for entertaining, and we all should be expecting somebody to get knocked out. Have we seen this type of style? Fighter versus agent like a pressure fighter Mexican God is going to push the pace bring it to them. Or has he been able to kind of control the pace, the only person that could probably say that, that, that brought it to him was tacky them in e choice short six flags. So he had to get inside. On his chest fan, but he wasn't really very effective bringing it to him. So I think yeah, first time Michigan American of guy who has a, a wealth of, of boxing. I would say boxing experience it doesn't and they have thirty. Yeah. I mean yesterday, we check man thirty fights if that, but the biggest name is Demetrio. That is the biggest name, but I just got a quote, right here. Because some people like to say it's not about resume. So I think this fits in with the not about resume opening quotas in America, you have to dream and have the heart to pursue it. I'm a family man. And a nice guy, but inside the ring, I'm an animal. I don't know that he showed me that in Joseph Parker FAI order, Demetriou go fight. Animal. You consider him an animal style wise. Animal with. What kind of animal? The kind to get the win. I mean bears usually beat other animals lions usually beat other animals. So he's got to be one of those dues. Say in lines owner Anthony yard. I mean I don't hear anybody saying rabbits, only maybe he can be a functional thing with Josh. But yeah, farther animal no Sammy. Everybody got a got spirit animal inside of them. So I'm, I'm sure he's as honing in on that doubting that up and whatever comes out, man, whatever animal comes out. I'm not quite sure what, what, what kind of animal was talking about butterflies FOX the align knows. We seem Pevec and right. You didn't mention Pevec in Utah him brought, you know, more of a Mexican style pace to AJ. I thought those first couple of rounds. You know what I mean? He threw those folks landed those I don't know if he landed a double. But my thing is does release have more hands speed than Pevec in and will he land in combination if he jumps in leaps in kind of like did with the left hook. Will he be able to land in combination the way that we'd like to see him doing training? And obviously the way that we've seen him doing Trinko fight came. We see that you. Absolutely right. Definitely brought the fights AJ for those around, but he had them to keep him going on. You're grounded breath, but. I think if I don't think that you have the power of. So maybe coming nation can't AJ. But believe perfecting buses AJ knows. And maybe Matt had done, but ADEMA cautious and that fight for the first couple of rounds so that analogy but happening out man, you might get caught coming in. Here's the shorter guy. It's gonna be a tough challenge for. But like you said, you know, you got to dream big in America don't saying. I'm saying that American dream that we all dream about making it to the top bam to set for in your field of choice. So. We were happy with Miller because he could talk talk. Ruis is obviously not a talker, like Miller, but as the fights getting closer, he's doing more talking making more and more people believe yesterday's quote, was that he's watching my Tyson footage, and he's going to temp to mimic, that style to get inside on Joshua. Today's quotes, is that he's ready to shock the world and many more. But what I keep seeing all the quotes and all the interviews that he believes he will be underestimated, and I'm just wondering what happens if they didn't underestimate you underestimated, right? Like they brought in Joey, the wellcoll. That's a very good. Sparring partner to mimic, Andy release. But I quote there are weaknesses. He is the best right now because he has the belts, but the guys he has fought spoiled with them, and they wouldn't want to fight with me. Edgy has a style, which will make me look impressive. Yes. He's strong Embiid big, but my staff will take away his advances. This is a business. I have nothing bad to say about AJ. I'm the challenger and he is the champion. There is respect between me and him. But inside the ring that will be no respect, and I will try to win and knock him out. He's talking to talk about as disrespectful as. Baby. But I think for late minute replacement not saying that style wise. It's going to be competitive because we don't know, and we're expecting it not to be he's a heavy underdog. But filling the void of the big baby Miller, talk that was going to be missed in this promotion. I want to congratulate Andy Ruiz on attempting to bring in the fans with some good words. No. Or you don't think this is normal. Pretty pretty miss, Julie. Hey calendar. What's my morning like Julie's about to have a long day? Ten purchase birthday card nine go five try cleaning. Did you just go backwards? I'm sorry. I can't fit that question into your schedule. Nine fifteen cry for days that won't end. Let schwann's help with swans he can get religious meals, like, oh, from freezer to table in minutes not hours ordered delivered done that's homemade easy. Visit today, schwann's dot com. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like, tell us what you want to pay. Hey, hey, trombone goes Wah, and you say, we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at you. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Pricing coverage match limited by state law. Normal. Overly confident to me, my like. Begging on the that pay under estimated him ban on this. I don't know many factors that go in on their estimate their opponent, especially when, when you're making your own American debut of pressure. The only a lot of people expect you to get the knockout down in Miami would make meal. But doing this forty days if we're nice I don't mistake AJ to come in and take this guy lightly with that being said, I don't expect. Riza come in and just lay down or get knocked out first couple around I do come in and, and being competitive for the first round. But at this late start getting to the temperature around. I wanna see how he does but far transplant go. You know what I mean? He's, he's doing what he can he's doing. He can't. He's not the baby kind of guy that's going to be overly disrespectful in the media showing AJ a lot of respect and just and that one time comes there will be no respect, and then I like it. I like it. But I heard that before. Yes. Usually Mexicans shooter. There were when it comes to like fights. Now, Richard Hamilton for Americans by this channel and, and nationalistic how Obama about by by saying h he's expected to be Andy Reid, please. Let me know. Or if you don't got a pair of balls. Call in have won four to five five six nine two to one and get it ain't gotta type your whole life. But he. As I was saying man age, I should definitely beat released but. I mean we say things I mean we've seen guys. The late late. But the great Mike Tyson he had a slip up when he went over to China against the Douglas. We see Jay rock coming out of one loss balanced back and get a unified crown at one four. So even has lost. He hasn't been beating before there's still a chance that he can't put up a major upset, and AJ. But I think he just slammed done. I don't wanna I don't wanna feel like that, you know. I know. We're entitled to, you know. Last minute replacements happen. All heavyweights all divisions go through this. Question. I'm y'all. He's, he's he's, he's convincing me, bro. Really is convinced me, not that he's going to get it done. But it's convincing me to be excited believe that it will be semi competitive similar to how Brazil convinced many if you. Now, if you think about it, Brazil was perceived to be giving wilder more of a problem than than Andy to Joshua and then Schwartz to fury fifteen fifteen tell you back to that was perceived as a bigger challenge, and European Brazil, or Andy ways for wilder now for each going going into their respective hikes, in your opinion was a bigger challenge, Brazil, or Andy, everybody's in my opinion would have been a Brazil. I mean, but that's what I'm saying that the public or, or the at least the articles indicated the Brazil was going to give wilder a tougher fight, and we've seen how that ended up so. I don't know if it's fair to just go with betting odds, and things like that. Like again, we knew Djamil Hern was going to get the win. We said it. We picked them on the show, then we were more thera- on our bedding show on patriot dot com. Forward slash the box voice where you can make some money with us and he got the win. But the betting lines had him as as the underdog. So what I'm saying is sometimes you can't believe what you read and what, you know, you hear you got to go off your own instinct, and we could be wrong. Right. Because what I'm saying is, it's the exact opposite in Brazil, while defy public and writers. Stop Brazil would give wilder more of a competitive fight than he did fight night proved that he didn't. So in this one with thinking public and writers think Andy Ruis is a heavy underdog and on fight night. He can prove that he isn't is all I'm saying. I'm saying is I paint, Brazil was a bigger challenge going into both heights and water got him out of there. And I round and they'd been say, I think we're Brazil been tougher opponent out of both guys. I think Josh should take care of. Not saying a reasons not any good. I just think Josh might have it a, a little bit not one's easier, but might have a little bit better time with, with released. Now. I get it. I just hope that you get what I'm saying. You know that just because public perception indicates that we've seen stranger things happen. What about the fact that he's got Manny row? Bless in the corner. Good or bad. We've seen other top contenders move away from row bless. We seem Brazil who already for AJ move away from row bless, but Israel is doing the right thing by choosing row bless Mexican trainer Mexican fighter and at the very least rogue bless has had seven eight rounds with AJ plus you know, build up training camp. Maybe he knows a little bit more. Maybe for Ruis he feels a little more familiar with someone who has gone to the UK and faced Anthony Joshua, even if it is from the corner. Definitely a definitely could be a big big help for them. A guy who has prior experience with AJ in Brazil fight, but we seem Brazil move away from him. I don't know if that was something that they had a disagreement about something or Brazil top one hundred with a better job and, and moving them towards the water fight. But man, I think getting somebody that has already had experience with AJ is definitely good. And I'm saying that they could not hurt at, at all. Many probably could come up with some things that he saw in the first go around with Joshua that possibly capitalize on rays have after hands. And in my opinion, has a better styled that could give Joshua problems in Brazil when win Brazil found him at that time. But. Say REEs heat up against it at then they but manage your camp. It can't hurt I can hurt not one bit. For sure. Man. I guess I feel like that era. Maybe. Brings Ortiz excuse me, were we some sort of comfort in knowing that he's at least been there. You know. We'll see. Andy are already with Manny before the fight or up in the. Yeah. Andy was already with manning because he was trying go. So he gets on saying going out there. No. He didn't do Brasil. Absolutely right. He was ready with Manny before that fight. That's good that they are with each other. Maybe more. I'm not sure but that's definitely just because you're on them not cutting you off, as you said, they're really had one fight with each other, and I want to jump in there because people keep saying, you know, short notice, but what he went six rounds with trank. Oh, didn't take punishment. So is this short notice, or is this good for him? Probably the best thing that could happen for no saying foul Demetrio two weeks later or three weeks later. You got so AJ tells me no saying you still should be some, some kind of boxing conditioning and get right back into camp north saying you have five six, we used to get ready for this fight. I think this might be the best thing that, that, that could have happened. I'm saying if he would have been maybe a month out on saying, I was month and a half out of this, I, I would have said, maybe a little bit tougher for them, but saying that he is coming up, when on PBC now he's going right into another fight. I think he definitely not going to be like out of shape gassed, or like that. But the pressure of this event, the pressure, the, the mental pressure, the, the fans screaming, I just want to see how he's gonna react to that kind of environment, even though he went down to Zealand and Parker for that title. It wasn't territory. But I don't think that, that atmosphere will will compared to the atmosphere, that we'll see and medicines guard for AJ. All right. Let's open up these phone lines man. See what the streets got to say, you know, the number to call in one, four to five five six nine fifty to forty one. These calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. Visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com. Remember to write his five stars on, I tunes. Go ahead. We got three hundred and thirty six watching only seventy four times up. So if he could come into the stream or listen right now, in my voice, grand smash that button health, visibility show and helps us the more things like be invited to a private interviewing session with AJ and release. Let's go out to Troy. And Baltimore talk to me. Good morning. Good morning. I don't know when your birthday is. But sometimes right. Yes, friday. Thank you. Happy forty. Yeah. Happy forty first birthday. I'm glad to glad the good Lord bless you. Another year, that being said, I've never seen Mr. Andy. And era fight. I've never seen him. And I don't know too much about him. But I don't think it's going to be anything, shocking. The fight Mike go fewer around and. TKO whatever. But I'm really not excited for this hour. Tell you why. Because it's not the fight that I wanted to see I wanted to see diverse Joshua, we all know that's not going to happen. But I think that's the whole reason why not too excited about this fight. But I am going to watch, you know. You know, people be good work. I was trying to go. Everything men right Friday bre. Oh, okay. This is the question. I wanna ask you, man. You know you on doing this like. I don't know how far you plan on taking this man. You know you plan on taking it further or is just like a like a one fight like one shot thing. Take one day at a time. See how this goes on. I expect to be in. Everything goes good. This year. Well tell you what you should reach out to the brothers who was injured in a motorcycle accident, the boxer, what's the brothers name before that one fifty four? Paul Williams, get some names in there and really starting spire people because I think you I think you have to do that. I don't know if you believe that that's what that's what I'm feeling. But you know, you can start something. Yes, sir. Yes. Definitely definitely been been been thinking about that. So thanks put account whereas. And also, Mr. man, if you could start like a like a slap like a border was slaps lap thing going on, like you do boxing. That'd be pretty good. This shit. Hey. Seeing people go to sleep. That's too brutal, man. But Troy May Day, thanks for calling in. We're going out to mastermind Joseph, and Texas. Good morning. Good morning. I like any release the energy. I agree with. I feel like. Extra-long training camp from the different single fighters is helping keep you in good shape reactions, quit. But at the end of the day agents should get him out of that. But hopefully while last Molly this this morning is Hannah by late twenty twenty minutes. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like, tell us what you want to pay. Hey, hey, hey and the trombone goes Wah, and you say, we'll help you find coverage options that fit your budget. 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I'm just saying man down man because Earl spent check make boxing talk to me. Good morning. Hey, molly. I have watched a couple of just recently watch a couple of fights never before, tried to get a sense of. I tried to get a sense of it. He, he has a low center of gravity, you know, and I never seen him her the park, fight active. He's pulled out the win against Parker. So my thing is, I believe going to win, but I just want to batch so they can go ahead. And, and then you know as far as stop coughing. Chasing the wild and everything else that online that, that goes to distance because I'm going to win the money. But does so I if I you know, if I'm thinking, what did Parker? And if he does the same things, you know. AJ right now. And he's going to go out there and his mind while while router. And so I'm going to be putting a bed that it goes to distance. But I believe he's going to get knocked out. Not not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so, but we'll get see. I'm being is just a fight that I know it closer to the hurdle over that hurdle to get that, while the down. All right. Check me. I was just going to interrupt to say you sound like rid of a hater wishing AJ does bad. But I get the game plan if he does bad realizes. They're not the side. I don't know. Though. Sounds still sill still sounds like a bit of a hater type of move. Let's go out to boomerang a Kansas City MAC talk to me. Magnate. Morning. One of waking. Yes, sir. Still going back. Hey, louise. No, man. Tenth round, knockout. AJ. Flaps os, some it's summertime season. While the last before mince, so you can get the hang on do it. Unabridged father. I got a question how much how much AJ generating, I ain't going, you know, I'm not talking attention, but they want to talk about of the gangs. I mean he seven eight thousand by how much are they charging? How much does he generate? Over here to get his biggest payday. What's that he fight in New York year, New York, I believe between thirty two and thirty five million. He won't fifty percent. What? That doesn't have a clear ice rash should be fifty fifty. In my opinion, some people think otherwise, but that's just my humble opinion. When they have it on in life. Cut it Kansas City. Use your boomerang status to get back on, if you want back, and we're going, go to rule in a five four talk to me. Rose, not there. I'm going to K okay. Oh, get your shit together. Keio. Good afternoon. Okay out. Chan and he dropped off. All right. We're going out. Mike in Michigan. Talk to me. We're going on. Fellas. My job and my headphones away from me. So. When? Yeah. But I've been. I wanted to say I'm next skin black skin and black fighters in brief. You know, I found out that they'll messy never been heavyweight. Always wanted to see what always thought he had the best sense. But you know, he coming on notice, and, you know, Jocelyn way bigger than them, but he got the enhanced being, I think. Go on some exchanges. Pry sanders. But you know, I really don't see them winning not not really. But I do see them getting good, frighten. It could go the distance. I don't know how I watched Parker fight. When the part. Slightly it was close, but I definitely think he he'll probably do better than partner in tech him. If I do better than them any definitely got more. And with five with Joshua chain wilder. Prefer to win. You know other stuff but I think that's probably eight side though. I mean they've probably. Trying to to fight deal when in America, one of their. They do like that. I mean when the first. Mango from Michigan brother, Richard Hamilton, skied coming for Mike. What up Richard Hamilton? Business. Richard Hamilton on Skype going once on mutual chant. Whatever. Hamels smoke, I guess not. Talk about. Why are you scare people off the gal? Michelle. Before the bait exchange whatever you wanna call. Dot com. Confront with the. Thirteen. What's going on? Boy, money. Mr. does on the two thousand nine hundred and Ricky to year and it's fight wink one game. The cash, Carol Anthony Joshua come into America. Like Eddie Murphy. It's the movie in real life. Shout out to any heard any money. Boy, because we got great covers coming this week, where Eddie and the Cascal Anthony, Joshua. My today. And. Anthony, Josh what he needs to win by knockout. This is America. This is the heavyweight division. You wanna make statement you wanna make you gotta win by knockout. Anthony. You is you. This is this is how. Like this. Instagram with Gary junior. In the no, that's breaking news. Gary grant writer. He only. Because would say the Haney never hanging. Uh-huh. Cut it. Hey man, they Skype down. I just restarted Richard Hamilton talk to me. We hear you on talk to us. Okay. Is not a big draw, but we're talking about Joshua. What are you talking about? We're talking about Anthony John. And we haven't even mentioned wilder. Is a diesel had. Because there's a lot of comparison saying just what needs to be as convincing as well. Let's not Harrison, sir, sir. That's not a comparison, if you didn't realize Anthony Joshua did an article saying that he wanted the wild at a win in nine rounds, so brag and say that he did it faster. So Joshua started that. The reality is. Components. So basically. May is easy to hate. So basically. Too many kids over there champ. I'm sorry. I don't wanna discriminate in like that. But you got a walk out of the room, and, you know. Reconnect with us, bro. We just can't hear you properly. Let me go to. NO in new lease on the mastermind status. Ladies and gentlemen. He comes from. People. Even on days like your boy. Would say has done. I'm saying I on. Fire ground long. I'm not standing on. Fly fight. I gotta get seven. I. Life. You know what I'm saying? Like night. Kissed another like that. Keep the attitude. Thing. Our show. We're on ninety. Why? Crawling along. We got a lot of moderators may, I don't even I ain't even see would in the chat, but it would be bad. Saying people respectful, people got respect L. On the Dan. We try to stay. I doing. Doing that. For sure. That's why we Bob. I'm Jim hill. Ron hill going. Checking on. Saying that's my. And invited on the show. Right. Oh man. Get money. Stay safe on the road, brother. Come back home to the fan ride in North Carolina. Talk to me. Morning. Yes, I wanted to. I think that release it not just the guy that's off the couch. What I'm saying. I think you know, he's coming any taller guy his last fight. I think the key for him is going to be district. I think he has to be either always in all way out if he's not working. He always out outside of Joshua. Rain's going work. You need to be all the way. And I think he can do that and get into the later rounds in might be interesting fight. You just gotta dictate the distance, I think, in my opinion to make it a competitive fight. And I don't know we know Josh will get tired and led around. So you know we look up in this round and he's still working. We don't know what's going to happen. And I wanted to educate me on the tickets, I heard any Hearn earlier saying that they had, like seven thousand already sold by British fans and want to ask you guys, you know, it's funny how that number dropping funny. He did it when he when he first mentioned that he said it was ten thousand Brits then last week, why eight thousand Brits. Now you're saying you heard the interview say seven thousand I mean damn what they getting refunds. People weren't really interested in, I raised or the baby keeps dropping audio him saying, all different numbers this year. But are meant to be, you know, taken with a grain of salt. But. Cut it. Fucking found AJ one founded five big baby. He going to like a secondary site. Yeah. 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But that's not the way that words Brandon Cincinnati talk to me. Mike. Birthday friday. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I think the fight going to be stimulated. Perfect and fight man. If they control the distance jab for Andy ROY. Launch in the wing shot. He can, you know, tyrod out fad. Number we would have get on the inside combinations. You know, the three or four he can lay on one or two. What about AJ? He doesn't have the greatest head movement. He put his hands up and cover up the pluck shot. That's more of his defense that, you know, slick, head movement of who you can get on air set. And you know those four combinations. He might have success early. But it's gonna come down to if he can do that twelve rounds at the gets gets tired. Like I say, once he gets tired and starts Jeb tro the distance. He can say, you know, came out, you know, middled around to middle round, things don't happen. I don't think there's going to be the first or second round, knockout. I'm looking at like seven pay round knockout AJ similar to fight, that's my car. You guys have day. I'm headed to the pool now that the kids hoping beautiful young ladies, how that you boy. In Sunday's your food, Brandon man. Take it easy to be going out to mastermind. Alabama. Dot com. Have you talked to us? If you own sky, mango, eight Amita. Havi we hear you Ness, a mutual. Cellphone sky, we. On skype. Hear you. Probably can't hear you, though. Muted. I'm you Joseph guidance. We hear you. You hear us come back to. Muted. Now you lying. Stop you lying. You die. Got a quick. I I just came. They came to me, and hit me, how long how many, how many how long did he know about the conflict when to had the stuffing? Tecom was always remember that Eddie? Back. Who? The the first opponent with someone else and then talk so them stuff. Dan? And it went it went no easy fight. Right. That was to be honest. I mean is one of his hardest lights that we own. It was it was a smaller guy. What's the point though? He saying that come can come in on eight days. Notice gave them a tough fight what can do on five weeks. Notice and my again right here. Guess he dropped. Speaking of my year if you wanna hear how. She would mean on go ahead and check out the conflicting Durance podcasts. Look. The new to me. Rid of that, dude, I think it was that do sabotaging man. Because since he got on we, we haven't shift and he on some ship, he was hitting on Mike. Anyway, he tricks and shit. Richard. But yeah. What, what, what did I get cut out? Who the fuck knows? To come whatever time, man. Taco might. So talking was a late replacement for Asia, and it was one of his hardest fight. Behind crisco and clicks, go white, so. We's talking like the same size. But I think we got more skill. We got more skilled, he fast software like it might be AJ's hardest rights might get into that top three top to hardest vice because of the speed hand speed. And he Mexican as we all say that's tough. So. And about area. Leeann Mexican he took a while they kept coming. But I don't know anything used, I'm going to take that point. They keep on coming and coming and he bone come the last time they keep coming. He got dropped. And that was though, kept taking punches. And finally, he landed one they fail. So I'm just I'm going to win, but I'm gonna say is it might be one of his hardest sites today because of the skills that were we bring to the to the match. And going to bring that toughness and. Ain't nothing. So. To find out hurt. Am I just walk walk down a brawl? So. Should be. I think you'll be fine. Are you staying what you've been saying? Cut it out Thursday. Georgia. Everything couch mind. Jay cooling. Or the dog real yesterday. I do Verde will Saturday mine. So I went down by the airport. Grad hotel got the -cluded at the time lay on. And then when the flag Sunday, so nigga jet cooling day, but I see cracking later on. I just want to say good to hear college. A lot of people they weren't going to Andy rule leads and. Like I said, I am saying he going to upset AJ, so AJ night throw punches when he banking. Watts Andy Ruiz as charge Adam mind, you he trying to be the first Mexican got them champion heavyweight champion, and yet them hands. He got that really going to be the, the time what's Joshua things thing this before, but he don't see. And we'll see how you react. But I got Andrew for the upset, Bank assistance. And they was. Thing. Boy, Trump Simpson man, do nasty show. On the day under. Dany haining. I forgot the Renzo Lorenzo Simpson. Yeah. I don't think he's under Devon Haney. He's, he's on devante team. He's with coach carbon four. I'm gonna go out to Bouma Ranga Kansas City, MAC talk to me. Kansas city. What? Gotta extensive. Background times hundred time in there. Far parker. AJ problem. It's too big to be. Eastbound to get knocked that don't come in there prior year with some pets on this. On this contract. Sorry my own life. This is just some other some other stuff get their mega fighting on. He's getting exposed. But Parker park to the water, that's just only lows. A B C's, and as the only lost the partner Parker AB. Formula, but it's. He's telling me. When you talk about them. But. Kansas City MAC. Thanks for calling them. We're going out to mastermind on the talk to me. On the bidding. Air. I am. I'm listening pocket. Last night. But. On that grinds. So kick the company, but man what the fuck is wrong show. Fuck meghan. No. You curse which better why the hell no? You can't call us. It's y'all hype fighter. Why why we ain't got a million people in the box. Knock him out. He might catch a body this week to be third of them or. Just to be fair, Skype has been acting up, so a lot of you can call. I mean that's the word Jay Americans could call. Komo by week. What they call it. William Canarian Levy, sponsored by the knockouts when fighter get tired, and they just laying on the ground. Pundits allies was spectacular right? AJ. Nightside as the rest of America feels. Beside mother fuckers. I'm out. In a five four Mr. Skype acting up. Meanwhile he on the line going on ROY. Barrett today. I don't know going on. I think it's fair that he has confidence in himself. I don't see how that's going to help them and it's fine. I don't I don't think he's going to do well at all. I mean he's probably going to do, just as good as Miller, what have done, which is not seen anything past the six around, because I think AJ should spark this guy out, but that remains to be thing that's my call. Right. We got Kayode on a boomerang. Also have an issues. One of the hardest. Yes. Yes. Miss clear. I was driving. So it was a bit messy. Fight you looking for. Looking forward to coming down to the states. Looking forward to being in New York and see the file life. I would potentially be a good fight. I think it'd be very competitive. I'm not expecting him to win. But I won't be shocked if there's an offset I'm hoping there isn't. I think people aren't the rates in his fast hand, I think, age has to be careful of that mean. Do not mean he's I think he's a much tougher opened them while the vast was his name. Now, when AJ thought Brazil was a much tougher opponent in that while take longer and beating them now everyone. Now, everyone wants to diminish Brazil when I thought he was so good. AJ was hoping hoping. AJ's words, go read the article was that resilience very door, -able, go look at it. He wasn't. He said he was hoping that it will take while the longer. He knew that of while the Brazil was going to be wasn't going to be a competitive. Sure that's why he was wishing while do it at nine. Yeah. Because he the guy I mean, come on. Doing okay. Modern SIMS pro boxer talk to me. Ici was good. Gucci mane intro. What else? Just because hell Mary. I hope he gets upset to get this money. I'm what his film? I'm not watching too many that, you know, anybody commanded change the style or anybody. But, you know, I you know, I'm interested in it just to see what has gone go. I do truly truly believe that AJ still going to faint. That's pretty lucky. Let's act. All right. Mr. Calling in. We done it. Mike final another one in the books. Big to Andy Reid. Anthony joshua. Hopefully they put on a great fighting on the car. Introducing the new buttermilk crispy chicken biscuit at McDonald's. We don't need that music made with tender chicken. Let's lose the echo on a warm buttermilk biscuit, perfect simplicity of our buttermilk. Crispy chicken biscuits speaks for get it now for just three bucks and get a two dollars sausage mcmuffin with egg or one dollars small hot coffee all from the one two three dollars. Simply your breakfast at McDonald's participation very canopy combined with any other offer combo at neely's, we believe free-range living is good for hens and kids alike. Let's listen. Okay. Play backyard stadium rules. The fence posts first base second base is the tree and the dog houses. Third nationally might chase you because hopefully this will chew toy homerun is anything that hits the house and the Smiths pool is an out now. Let's talk teams Jacob a gross. Melis free-range eggs for free range living. Available at Safeway can be pretty good. You got Katie Taylor on that. Thank you got Catholics on that thing facing us on. And you got a guy who I'm very high Joshua Buzi on that day on fighting, but definitely gonna be somebody. But before I go, how boomerang. I gotta stop waiting for this out show for these boomer Manx saying. I'm gonna take mine, but RV exit asks his I'm gonna take my number two. So two. I'm I'm gonna pick you on. A lot of like K o k os, little scared. Hey okay has fast hands. I just don't know you know, could he could get caught. Ain't never heard that. Edey invincible when he ain't going to be stopping. He never Terminator. So Jay bright by. Fiber bee's man all day. I'll is buddy, Katya. U K looking a little word right now. And this is funny, because I mean every while the fights, all say, what is might be allowed or any technical. He just know he ain't really that good. But now, eight different fighter actual opponent of shit. Man, we kind of worried. Dan, this shit might you real aim is everything is in his favor. Anyway, he gave my man off a late late replacement. It's just like he's short. He's not as athletic as an they still worry, I would be like. AJ spoke is do man for thought they said, FA confide will hear huge advocate. Kill y'all. Be calling the math fact shore got no skill. But now sudden listening terminate I am confused. This is not what job is saying this whole time. But then the week come and change they hold. Everything changes, man, the Feige closer, your nerves get close, you know, more anxious, but t plums were happening in that money. You like she might he might do some. No, that's where it all. That's what the truth comes out on the betting line. Talk to us. I just want to add on the fight we everything chains. You know what I'm saying? Everybody saying people, everybody was not writing law. Like he just scrubbed at AJ knock off. But now fight weakened. He's more competition in Brazil would. Just check the do that home. Andrew. Going in and out champi them. I think. You had to say what the do the beat? Do in res loss to was beating people already do that beat Brazil laws. So. We talking about. He's saying that AJ AJ already for the guy lost twice, and Brazil, I don't know what are you saying, Louis fan, bro? Buddy AJ, anything lose it, but relieving and release lost departure, as a park and DeLeon Parker. Okay. That has comparison people saying, basically China. Numbers basically he's trying to say the end e. Be parker. Any REEs also hasn't loss since losing the Parker where Parker has lost since winnings, Andy reefs, basically. Resume. I mean you heard we agent billion. Though, you know who he fought the Metron going, some mind? Giving them saying. Most. Industry. Really? We gotta pull the going on. Nick Dyson statement. Talk to me. Jim Carrey pop up in your brain. But he fucked me all up at first, I thought undo. Well, you sound like he was lying to like Joe. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Get it. I thought I knew. What is he trying to say? I got it. He said, AJ. What are you saying? Plums Ridler from now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm gonna try to AJ topic. A little spicing is going to be hot take. But I watch. Josh while the headway? Around circle because he born, bro. This dude is like drive like can we can I get my man, you had a whole interview with meek mill's and ain't none popping off about. I mean. Right. Wasn't SEO only non. Marla went Birla me. I mean that's. Probably one top five offers new generation our right? Not you. They only paying for his popularity McNeil's posted on his on his on his dog on YouTube pays like they are paying for shit. Wilder on FOX on a late night show with, with the client and look like Mississippi pimp egging check on TV. Don't nigga online. Artificial for sure. The beloved sharp. Clown, last night, entertainment, you only get him on on, on TV because I understand what, what would say I don't understand. But boy that, that I had to feel good, then he checked to boxes. In, you know, we're family community. We don't talk about that killing news angles. The worry about what I see them as being the champion. Right in front of I'm the real champion the bid interview and go wash. Go from. I'm a reporter trying to be tough questions to let me shut my mouth. Let's see on FOX. Mario. Be trying to be all like. You gotta remember showing portent is Christian, so thou killed no. Boxing. But listen, listen, listen, listen, the laws are man, don't protect you from the laws of God. So, Sean, thou shalt, not kill don't matter. The job allows you to kill our. Close on. Why I gotta act like that, where he vicious? What about what about pride? Pride is saying, so you could be. W champion before you was begging for fights calling everybody was behind everybody in the rain crying. I want this. I want that nonsense. You had a belt. You act like a diva that's pride. So the say. The bible say, no that a greater in another so killing the man to be a at the same. Vedro knowledged come. I I'm not going to see him. I know about. I don't know enough about the bible. No, it I know enough doubts. All you need to know laws ain't got nothing to do with the laws of God, man. They had even in a shelter. A shot to the Lux. What? He was in the bible, right? Yeah, I'm talking what you. Like a comedic like a relief of right now. People have move on, please. Yeah. Oh a real because he ain't going be a topic who. Who? Oh, disrespectful, bra. Angle attack. Yes. So like I'm saying now like. Maybe that's the best thing that have for Gary Russ was the sign of design, so that we could see a row of Gary zone. He won't be a topic. You, you are getting disrespect for bre. He won't even the flash. Oh, yea. Like. Now now now. Twist it into a standalone. But I'm era. Mm. It'll be it'll be. Yes. Terrell no adultery. Absolutely. Right. Listen, I'm not saying that the laws guide are easy to follow and own people in there, then we're, we're all, we're all. You know, man. So, you know, we're not meant to be perfect, and we will break, but I'd rather fuck commit adultery than murder. See, but where we were at, oh, yes. So. I'm just saying I'm just saying his like. I guess I gotta get more educated on that division. Man. Let me go to my rankings. Berlet thrown star more. More respectful to to get what do you mean? How am I being disrespectful? Tactic a standalone. Okay. My. Is he going to be doing this morning? Are you going to say that? And again, I think maybe because the whole dissolves stolen from PBC. But rain nothing here birth, like soco's in his division. That's top ring, you know, kid, galahad, and Warrenton, Warren. You know, he said, but say willing to move up, though, and Burchill is probably gonna covering, okay? He moved up and he go to dissolve. He had one thirty. You know, Davis Dale burn zone is on top brain. He going go for. Is on top rank cameras on chop. Bring. And Davis zone PBC now underneath that what he going to Lamont Roach. You already be Joseph, what Jason so silent who, who, who who I will get you to. Look, I'm going to give you the top five and each sanctioning body at one thirty. Now not name a champion Lamont Roach. I never heard of Jeremiah Nicolaou. I never I can't even pronounce this next. Do Joseph Diaz? Number four, Jason socialism founding, WBO IBF, vacant, vacant, number three camping, let me scream because none of these mother fuckers could be Panetta. I gotcha. But what do you think he's trying to do? Any really trying to know. He's feathers trying to pull out or okay? And that's what I'm saying. If you're trying to drive back to you. Gary Russell highlight would it last fight. You say this rewatch that Gabby Russell fight. No what I'm saying. Where's that at? I don't know what would you go about it? That back up here. Let's go rewatch lying. Never I'm saying. I watched it because important. Improve almost ten years during this show and no one ever called say, yo nets you should realize that Gary Russell Cheng-kuo fight. Well, let me rephrase that I watched it for the first time I went back and watch it for the first time. So listen, Andrew, see you as over there with golden boy. And dissolve we, we by the go, pay per view on that. Is that Cannella Jacobs, Gary Russell Cancio now? Hey francis. Go Vagas just got retired. Look at these names, look at these and then drop them, let's say might wrong and he ain't moving up. It ain't about who you wit. Like actually, the only person he could go to its top brand, top got that looked looked top rank got it got should call. They got Magda Leno. They got Frampton because of their Frank Warren connection, they got Colin you know, they just signed the Cuban. Because Frank Warren can kick kick kick would match. Mt. K globo. No by. Heard. Listen. All his boys is empty K. I know fury. Joe, I know kid galahad and Warrenton person bid for. I believe you're right about them being opposite side. But. Again, just look at these names, there is nothing. He got to go up to divisions or stay where go up to Gary Russell. I mean to, to devante, but there's nothing here unless you go to top rank, I like top ranks resume at one thirty, you know what I'm saying? They got it. They got the name. That's there's to me out of the that's there's they could do one twenty six four home. They can do that. If you wanna stay I twenty six and go to top brain Dagan do better from they're going to do better. But. About the competition. Would you think is about? Now ain't about the check kept me at seven five three or four times a year. Probably pay your meal every time. So you saying you think now after all these years, Dennis do me, Google is saying now after all these years. It's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group, mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now, get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Pricing coverage match limited by state law. This is grant, and this is grant realizing he's misplaced his debit card right before his favorite band takes the stage. This is grant opening up his Wells Fargo mobile app, turning off, misplaced debit card. Sound it and turning it back on again. All without missing a beat or EPA Qatar solo for grant it's the concert Bank. This is your right here. Right now back. This is Wells Fargo turning your debit card office. Not a replacement for reporting your card lost or stolen, please after details. Wells Fargo Bank NA member FDIC. Maybe he wants to be more active is not Gary Russell's, for the he ain't been. I'm not saying that at all. Not. Maybe they wanna fight three times a year. Why won't they give you a years? He's been on PBC trying to get to Leo Santa Cruz piper Hallo, but not not long not not long. Mike not long ever since that I've been watching boxing. I very Gary. Once a year once a year. How many times while Joshua talk about each other a fury and Dillion, white or fury? No. I'm not making this. I'm trying to see both ends of the spectrum. As it is at all. Possible the Gary Feis Weser year, and then he talked to L Leo fight next. I we're gonna try to get it done. And some maybe don't don't play out that way. So then, so you tell me who I know has been on record, plenty of interviews that I've done with Alhambra fighters say they get three adult come back and say you're Lille, don't want the fight. Okay. Or we can't get you the Lille fight. But we got this fight in this fight. And he then Gary just says fucking, I'm gonna take the rest of the year off if he can get vacation barrel. Yes. Yes. If you can't get looking resume, look, just look, look, just look, this never fought a lot. We're going to go all the way to the beginning, two thousand nine that's most active when he got this six fights, two thousand ten three four five six seven two thousand eleven one two three four five six what happened? He was five six times, what happened two thousand twelve twice two thousand thirteen twice two thousand fourteen three times two thousand fifteen once two thousand sixteen once two thousand seventeen once two thousand eighteen once two thousand nineteen. Once we get the fuck out. I'm not believing that shit. Get him on the line. Let's do an interview get him on. That is let's see why he fighting once a year. I never read an interview where says they don't wanna give me no fights. Come on. I haven't I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. No, I'm saying we have never read an interview where he says, they not giving me fights are happening in us where he say that. That the oh Santa Cruz. Don't wanna fight me absent that, okay? Leo Santa Cruz. Ain't the end all be all we just went to that. The visit in and you got another guy over there saying saying that he's champions unifier so Leo Santa Cruz is the biggest name he is. Car car from Gary. Division. But listen, I'm just saying, but we all been watching by some for. So long is Leo going to make Gary's resume like that? Ain't gonna be their biggest in in. The vision for Gary anyway. Won't came came by macgyver wanting to fight. Leo, Leo, probably just like what did he bring type? How much more money? How was in this story? This is one man with a WBC and again, he's not wilder. He has less clout than wilder less popularity than while the less ratings than while you're less active than while the less entertaining than while, like come on her. Oh, come on. Yo I would love to see what they do for him. I'm gonna tell you what they're going to do from look. I mean shit to hang. This is what they're gonna do. They got seven pharma. And this is what they've done. James Tennyson, Francisco's four neck and Joan Carl. That's what they've done. No disrespect. But that's what they've done. You know, those names don't sound any better than the names on Gary Russell's resume. Kiko Martinez, at least was the world champion second cover opponent. Tennyson from Secca and Koro never have been world champions. I know but they come Ponant with Davis. I wouldn't care about the common opponent, that doesn't matter to me, what I'm talking about is quality of opponent. Joseph DAS is better than Tennyson phone and ask her Dong is a former WBZ champion. You know what I mean? So Patrick island is on the level of those phone. Right. And even he has more of a name because he signed to snooky promotions and made the name from. No top-ranked pick them up. Johnny gonzalez. Former champion knocked out Abner marris. Christopher Maher and someone the top rank uses on every one hundred and twenty six pounders in the division for Vassil chanko, the names go on, you know. So I just feel if you can't get Leo, I want I just want to trinity to ask them that question like so when you can't get Leo. What else are they often? I want to say now they ain't else they say, I gotta wait. That's what I wanted, then it's like how you jumped ship the out be out, but. Tennyson phone say Kara. You know, I mean I get it too. That's easy money. You see pharma, happy, Z money. So again, what is it about what, what are we upset about? We need to know more. Do you want the big fight or do you want the activity with less risk higher reward? What is it that you want? But any as Instagram Twitter, gotta go? Catch us on the next one make sure you subscribe to YouTube channel. So you get that notification every time we do go live, because we will be going couple more times today and throughout the week, Mike. Any thoughts? Rifle for therapy, man, but it's CBO gathering rain going to be good five week saying grant grant arrivals with the way he end and find a press conference in public workout state-owned to the channel sandwich have coverage. 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187 - The Kansas City Butcher: Robert Berdella

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:26:56 hr | 1 year ago

187 - The Kansas City Butcher: Robert Berdella

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I'm obsessed like many with the stock market so volatile. I highly recommend the course the art of investing lessons from history's greatest traders twenty-four bite-size lessons about twenty eight twenty nine minutes long each on everything from Warren Buffett's long-term investment strategies the Oracle of Omaha to more advanced investment strategies how to invest and trade and currency and how to short sell learn from the world's best investors. How To make that money? The great courses plus is giving time suckers a free trial. And it's only ten dollars a month when you sign up for a quarterly plan. Sign up today using our special url find all the details at the great courses plus dot com slash time suck remember the great courses plus dot com slash time suck serial killer Robert. Bella ended up with two nicknames the Kansas City Butcher and the collector and neither properly convey just how horrific this human being really was. We've covered a lot of dirt bags here on time. Suck and he's truly one of the worst. It'd be hard to get much worse than Delaware's you can only become so evil and Bob seemed almost maxed out. When it came to how much horror one person can afflict on another person by was a serial rapist torture and ultimately a murderer of young men in the most twisted of ways he would kill his victims all young men between the ages of eighteen and twenty after imprisoning them drugging them and then brutally torturing them for periods of up to six weeks six weeks of living hell and then. He carved up their bodies. Throw them in the trash literally and he got away with this for years. It was big news in Kansas City when he was caught a lot of people. Either new Bob or knew who he was he owned a shop called. Bob's bizarre a booth at the popular Westport flea market were Bob sold. A cult objects primitive art from around the world actual human skulls as well as myriad of other heart to find and generally dark shit. He also kept a torture diary and documented his crimes by taking over three hundred and fifty polaroid pictures of his victims before during and after the torture and murder in court. He described himself. His crimes is being some of my darkest fantasies. Become my reality fantasies. Dark like really dark fantasies. The began when he saw a strange movie called the collector in one thousand nine hundred sixty five. This episode has all the elements of a truly uncomfortable and morbidly fascinating suck lacerations from penis biting anal rupturing alligator clamps. Hooked up to a transformer that is it hooked up to a dude's nipples drain. Oh to the eyeballs so much more depravity on this. I know it's disgusting too horrific train wreck and I just can't stop watching true crime edition of time suck. This is Michael McDonald. And you're listening to happy Monday. And welcome to the call to the curious. Dan Cummins a master sucker. 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Dishman MICA I think is a little trail areas called in way up in the middle of this Trail system saw a Time suck sticker on a sign pumped cool mobile share to kiss Yes lots of good stuff and now it's murder o'clock holy fuck As a toy box killer was too much for you you may want to sit this out. I knew this dude would be brutal. Did Not realize quite how brutal He really was towards the end of this one. Who Story of Robert Padilla is not for squeamish before we get into the graphic details of Bob Story. I thought this episode as an excuse to look at the effects of media on people that commit acts of Searle murder and and or sexual assault. A rebel is depraved. Crimes were inspired in large part by movie called. The collector came out in nineteen. Sixty five talk about that more later a rebel would later say that. This movie inspired both his fantasies of violence and the mode in which he executed them. Do I think this movie is to blame for what he did absolutely not? I think it all likelihood had he not seen this movie he would have based its killings on somebody else. I take a song or a movie or game can make anyone who would never otherwise hurt or kill suddenly. Just commit horrible crimes. If that was true true crime podcast will be raping and killing left. And right it takes you two or so hours to here today story. I spent about twenty or so hours living in this purves head this week and the only people I want to kill are the subjects of stories like today and I want to kill those kind of people long before this podcast ever existed. I do think media influences us all including maniacal killers and while there is little proof that violence in video games movies or even books actually causes people to do harm. There have been obviously a few criminals over the years who directly referenced films and other works of fiction as inspiration for their dark deeds before we get into Bob Story again. Let's just look at few of the movies and other media inspired some other dirty birds to commit some other dirty crimes. Start with saw. If you've ever seen saw any of the saw movies Netla you know horror franchise of course these movies have inspired some real life darkness. Would you like to play a game? Lot of people have the saw franchise deals with the Psychopathic serial killer Jigsaw one of the most terrifying and feared villains in the history of motion pictures. In my opinion he said some extremely elaborate in gruesome traps for victims like the Kansas City didn't realize in the eighties. He tortures his victims immensely before deciding if he's going to let them live or die and they almost always die. One saw inspired incident went down. Westminster England in April of Two thousand twelve twenty five year old. Matthew kindling found guilty for the murder of his flatmate forty-five-year-old Richard Hamilton. Both men were driven by the need for drugs and sometimes use and abuse of alcohol according to the court documents and it was this need that drove. Tinley to stab Hamilton seventeen times in his head neck and lakes. According to reports Tinley went full jigsaw and tried to get his flatmates pin and account number through torture so he could get more cocaine. He tried to copy a scene from saw six when he attempted to sever Hamilton spinal cord while torturing him to get his banking information in the end he only got two hundred and forty pounds from Hamilton's bank account. All this for less than two hundred fifty pounds then. He was sent to prison for thirty years and after the sentencing the judge told him you inflicted seventeen wounds during the attack the most serious of which was delivered specifically with the intention of severing the spinal cord thus to cause paralysis and death. Exactly as you've seen on a DVD whether or not that was saw six found by the police in your room or another in the series doesn't matter plainly with something you had seen and tried to imitate American psycho released in April of two thousand also has inspired some copycats. That is such a good movie. Love Christian Bale's performance Holy Shit one of the most critically acclaimed psychological thrillers of all time Also filled with merciless violence. Perfect dark psychotic isolated. Smart sophisticated exact. These were the words listed in journal owned by fourteen year old Michael Hernandez list of what he strived to be. Michael loved the movie. American psycho hit list of daily reminders. Workout read the Bible worship and pray learned to draw switch pens biweekly. Learned to be a pimp okay blah. Last one doesn't really fit with the second one but whatever you know. He's fourteen another page of Michael. Journal revealed even more conflicting thoughts. Carve Cross. Take right I leave. Note stay alone. Never forget God ever have cult plan. A mass kidnapping be an expert. Thief will become serial killer. Yikes hello antipsychotic drugs. Too Bad someone didn't get a chance to read this journal before. Michael did what he did. Hernandez fixated on mass murders colts. Death American. You know Psycho Sir killers had instructions to create his own Molotov cocktails and homemade explosive explosive. Skews me also in his journal and by adopting the behavior from serial killers in American psycho and another movie he loves silence of the Lambs Hernandez proceeded to viciously stab and murder fellow classmate. Jaime cow in the south would middle. School boy's bathroom in Palmetto Bay a suburb of Miami. In two thousand four in court. The defense attempted to prove insanity and explained the Hernandez believed that. God agreed with them adding. He's a boy whose fantasies blurred with reality And the jury rejected this despite him him. Being diagnosed as mentally ill and Hernandez was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole for crime. Christopher Nolan's two thousand eight Batman Film the Dark Knight expired Several acts of violence. Two Thousand Ten. Aman was sensed almost a year of jail time. Every broken to his cousin's home found his cousin in bed sleeping with his girlfriend assaulted them both while he was dressed as the joker. I gotta be honest. That one made me laugh. I heard about it. Just imagine this dude pop into his cousins bedroom dressed full on as the joker higher Marei. Why so serious seriously brought him my girl. Marty you too like magic tricks watches. I make Marty's Boehner Different Two thousand nine another incident happened. Where young girl assaulted in Indiana high school teacher ran after her teacher holding a razor blade wanting to carve the jokers trademark smile into her face. Shit the scary classroom situation and of course. There's the most infamous Batman related violent case. And that's the one that happened late on a Thursday evening July two thousand twelve and Colorado audiences all over the country lined up for midnight. Screenings of Christopher Nolan's. The Dark Knight rises last film. In the Batman Trilogy starring Christian Bale and at one movie theater or Colorado began You know as a night at the movies ended in tragedy when twenty four year old James Holmes Dressed as heath ledger joker character from the previous moving. That trilogy threw tear. Gas Canisters into the audience opened fire killing twelve and wounding seventy news coverage rife with speculation about whether Batman characters comics films. Played a part in inspiring. This violence did the Dark Knight Inspire James Home. Of course certainly obviously you know he was dressed as the fucking joker. Would he have found inspiration elsewhere? Had he not fixated on that particular movie and done something else horrible? Nobody will ever know for sure. I have to think it's likely that he would have I. I just don't believe the movie can turn a totally stable normal nonviolent person into a mass killer. This movie didn't possess him. It just influenced him. That's my opinion The Aurora shooting definitely would be a very interesting topic to suck Also just passed this Just this past November. A man dressed up like Joaquin. Phoenix's joker shot a twenty two year. Old Man Death in downtown Reno and then once arrested would only identify himself to police as Arthur flick. The comic book character who eventually becomes the joker. The supernatural movie franchise. Twilight will not a franchise I think of is particularly violent. I think of it more. As a as a franchise inspired a lot of teenage girls to put Robert Patents and posters on bedroom walls also inspired some violence One teenager got so into the movie or movies that he went from thinking. Edward Cullen was cool Colombian patents twilight vampire character to thinking that he was a vampire. Just like Edward. The vice principal of the school received reports regarding him biting another female. Classmate of his situation was investigated. Further is found out that the boy had actually bitten ten different classmates. Parents of the team said that their son was obsessed with the twilight movies and that it caused him to act out and bite fellow students and then he was sent to juvenile corrections. Oh I love that. The kids parents said to the movie caused their son to bite other kids. Get the fuck Outta here. Know your son being fucking Weirdo. Who doesn't understand the difference between a fictional movie in the documentary? Your son either choosing Not to draw a hard line between fantasy and reality or not possessing the right mental equipment to draw that line. That is why he bit other kids. Picturing this going down. I guess it does crack me up. I just imagine his parents. You know sitting down talking to him donny. Donny you're not a vampire. It's just a movie. I know twilight. Murray mom also know the vampire? Real Life Donnie. You're not you're confused. Sixteen year old boy mom. I don't choose to bite I have to. I need to feed on Mac and cheese. Donnie on tuna melts on Spaghetti Os. Not on susie Jenkins Not Michelle. Rogers Nicky Richards. She might press sexual assault charges. Did he know that if you just needed to feed why you have to bite her on her ass One of my favorite movies ever inspired some violence. Of course it did fight club. Fight Club is a brilliant psychotic movie based on the book of the same name written by one of the Pacific northwest greatest living authors one of the greatest authors in America in my opinion the tri-city zone Chuck Palahniuk right from the dry shits chuck Palahniuk Lived across the river from our lives across the river from Portland. Oregon and Vancouver Washington has lived there for many years. Loved Chuck Fight Club is about a depressed man. Played by the brilliant Edward Norton suffering from insomnia. You meet the strange soap salesman named Tyler. Durden played by the equally. Brilliant Brad Pitt. Holy Shit. Goodness movie Norton soon find himself. Lived in Squalid House after perfect department is destroyed and then the two men they're bored. They form an underground club with strict rules and fight other men who are fed up with their mundane lives. You know pointless nature. They feel like of their lives. They're perfect relation partnership starts to fray when Marla of played in I think another brilliant performance by the fantastic Helena Bonham Carter a fellow support group crasher attracts Tyler's attention and then she gets real crazy. Basically the movies just about someone who just no longer gives a fuck about normal life about the rules about it's about someone deciding that modern life just a bunch of Bullshit Marketing Corporate Manipulation and Norton Decides to you know full anarchist and try and tear down inspired by the movie a group of men try to commit a series of terrorist activities similar to those shown in the film I. They set off a series of homemade bombs in various locations across New York the bombings within later trace back to an individual named Kyle Shaw. Who's a member of a local Fight Club? Also inspired by the movie. Who then bragged about his activities. He's Dude I mean I know was a good movie kyle. But that doesn't mean you're supposed to try and recreate it so weird to me. I Love Tombstone. But I'm not gonNA grab some late nineteenth century gunslinger gear. Stand outside of a bar in downtown court. Elaine dress like Doc Holliday. A nickel plated forty-one caliber colt thunder leather holster hanging from my waist. Sane Shit to people walking by like I'm Ho Bay. We started a fight. We never got to finish playful blood. Remember say win. What Johnny Ringo So many other films have also inspired violence including numerous murders nightmare on ELM street was the inspiration behind the murder spree of Daniel Gonzalez in two thousand four all drugged up and we'll knife. Daniel left his house and murdered. Four people at random attempted to murder. Two additional. People was mentally ill. He wanted to be Freddie Krueger. Stanley Kubrick's a clockwork orange is an insane movie. That inspired a lot of madness Dutch girl was gang raped and Lancashire or Lancashire by a group of men who had seen the movie singing singing in the rain as they committed. They're heinous act the same song. Alex Sang in the movie. One of the most notorious scenes seventeen year old Karen Hurwitz was in her backyard on October. Twenty seven thousand nine hundred nine when she was strangled stabbed six times by eighteen year. Old Michael Anderson with a thirty six inch Ninja Sword when Anderson was questioned about the Pittsburgh murder. He stated whenever I feel that I'm going to get into some kind of trouble. I will put on the clockwork orange t shirt and it was a shirt. He wore her which was brutally murdered. Even Anderson's attorney made claims at the movie a clockwork orange incited him to kill. The prosecution rejected that claim. Anderson was suffering from bipolar disorder The movie interview with the Vampire. All these. I don't know what it says about me. Every single what. He's my fucking great movie Movie interview with the Vampire inspired some real world. Shit Daniel Sterling watched the movie with his girlfriend and nineteen ninety four the next day. He told her I'm going to kill you. Drink your blood. She thought he was kidding. He wasn't that night. He ended up stabbing her seven times then. He drank her blood for an extended period of time before police caught him. And this goes on and on and on even serial killer and former sucks subject. Jeffrey Dahmer was a fan of exorcists. Three and that movie is serial killer Alexis. Victim's body parts as trophies. Maniac also collected body parts. Today's maniac collector who thought of himself as V collector inspired by the movie. The same name he saw as a team. Okay now after kind of You know stablishment some context. This guy wasn't alone in being inspired greatly by a movie to then commit horrible acts. Let's get to know this darkly inspired psychopath in today's time suck timeline right. After a quick word from today's I sponsor today's episode of Time. Suck is brought to you by Captain. Whisker horns pony play emporium tack shop and salary cloudy Partners and ponies. Here's your good buddy. Tom Anderson Aka captain whisker. Your trusted sources sexy. 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Burn up all right confused right now. You should have listened last week. Sex Suck Damn it now. We hit Robert rebellious timeline. On those boots soldier where Martin down a time summertime. Line man man. I hope you like that. Last thing happens. I laughed pretty hard to myself. I'm used myself greatly coming up with that. All right January thirty first nineteen forty nine future deprave sexual torture and murder Robert Andrew. Del Junior was born in Cuyahoga falls. Ohio born the first of two children to be raised by both parents. His younger brother Daniel Cordella will be born seven years later nineteen fifty-six his father Robert Boudellaa senior dice editor for the Ford Motor Company. Hell yes love my Ford You know his dad was a Ford Factory. Guide just look. My Wife's Dad was factory guy. His mother Mary Bordello was a homemaker classic American Working Class. Family DAD WORKS FOR FORD. Mom Stays at home. Family lives in a small city. The Bells were Middle Class MIDWESTERN DEVOUT. Catholics who lived what seemed to be the ideal American middle class life in a nice modest home. They're able to buy new cars when you need them. Mom was able to stay home with the kids. Dad was home for dinner and had weekends off. Young Robert sometimes called Robert. Junior was baptized. His brother Daniel later would be as well and the boys both attended Catholic mass and religious education courses wall growing up in Cuyahoga Falls Cuyahoga falls a city of about fifty thousand now about thirty thousand then in Nineteen forty-nine butts up against Akron Ohio a city of almost two hundred thousand now located forty miles south of Cleveland Lake Erie Akron where Lebron James's from easily one of the top five great basketball players of all time if you don't agree just hating Cuyahoga falls is where other than Robert Robert. Junior Bob Loses also from Bob Lewis Art punk pioneer founder of devo whip it. Whip it good Barbara Della Bob. Lewis went to the same high school two years apart to whip it guys. One saying whippet The other was a sexual torture. Both graduates of Cuyahoga falls high school. Proud home of the Black Tigers Seriously that is their mascot. The Black Tigers which is thing actually lack tigers and extremely rare color variant of a normal tiger and Robert Junior would go on to be a cat yoga black tiger. According to junior's father Robert Senior was a violent man who got a little heavy handed with both he and his brother. Danny said he'd be both of them from time to time with a leather strap. And maybe did way more combat than it is now to beat your kids with a belt and it was not looked at looked at necessarily as child abuse. Important to point out. Robert grew to resent his mother Mary for not being able to control his father. Proper junior was never clear as to why he thought his father would lash out. Who knows if his dad was abusive Whenever a serial killer makes claims about a family member that no one else corroborates i. I never assumed that they're being honest. Others who knew rob senior never spoke a bad word of the press about the guy. Former coworker said his duties at the Ford plant where he didn't work directly on the assembly line. was not particularly stressful. He didn't have a stressful job. No one recalls him acting in any way out of the ordinary rubber Badillo Senior was a World War. Veteran friends did not notice him to be suffering from any type of PTSD. He likes drink now and then but he was not thought to be an alcoholic. Most of his neighbors will probably drinking with him. Occasionally He would sneak off to the supper club code for the local neighborhood bar for a drink to again. Pretty typical suburban Ohio nineteen fifty nine thousand nine hundred sixties do shit. He was a member of the Knights of Columbus a Catholic Men's organization that served alcoholic refreshments at its functions. No-one in that organization came forward with a bad word about the manners. Family friends neighbors and CO workers. There were no signs della was a was a dysfunctional parents. And you seem to be a normal dude. Nineteen fifty four when junior or Robbie is he was known at this time was five family. Move into one and a half story home in newly built neighborhood on Kurtz Avenue or small. Nearly identical houses were packed closely together as a child said to be intelligent has low calorie and overall maturity seemed to surpass most of his peers in grade school young Robbie was also a loner disengaged from the other kids he kept himself mostly staying inside rarely playing outside of his home. He'd spent hours reading books to work on his coin and stamp collections. Even as at a young age he was quite the collector. The collector again would become one of his serial killer monikers. Another one of his hobbies was writing to multiple pen pals all over the world pen pals in places like Vietnam and Burma. These letters don't appear in any of the books about him definitely. Don't show up online anywhere. They may they may not have made it to the presence. How crazy would it be if he ended up as a pen pal with some like Vietnamese circular? And that's the real reason. His life took the direction it did because he's getting fucked up. Letters is picture innocent little Robbie showing up home from third or fourth grade. Mom Mary tell him a letter showed up from his pal and Saigon Exciting News Robbie a letter from your pen pal. Bow showed up in the mail today and Young Raby described it. Full kitchen table scams off. His room should the door behind him. You know sitting at a desk opens it up with a special little boy scout letter opener. Dear Abby hold US letter find you. Well how a school going is darrel. Schmidt still giving you trouble still teasing. If you're stamps. I hope not maybe one day he'll be sorry. I used to get teased a lot. Not Anymore anyone who teases me. Now I'm sure to make them sorry. Rob You ever seen a grown man. Trapped in a cage is wild. Afraid you might kill them at any moment because you showed in the remains of the last man that you trapped in the same exact cage man who wouldn't listen. I bet you haven't seen something like that. Jeez sometimes I forget you get. I'm looking at a cage right now as a guy like that guy can do anything I want to and I want to do a lot of very naughty things you ever heard of eroticas fixation Robbie body modification. Of course. You're too young I gotta go now. Robbie clock is ticking. Time we'll be right to see how many things I can stick inside this guy. Any who good luck with your baseball tournament. I hope you get a cool trophy for your real. I've enclosed a few additional stamps and a couple more coins for your collection sincerely about win. I was making up the deal. Schmidt referenced Brielle did say that when he was young. He was bullied by other kids into that. I say of course he was. If you didn't bullied if you do want to be cruising for a bruising if you didn't want a little wet rag you know be a little wet rag hunkered for a knuckle sandwich. Linney shouldn't clutches stamps. The nineteen fifties like toll. Yo you might as well take a similar stamps and place them in the middle of forehead giving those boys easy identifiable target to swing for Jake. He was believable doubt. He was bullied outside of stamp and coin collecting. Which I guess you know could have chosen not to do not tell people who was doing so it didn't get back to bullies. Robby really did get the shit end of the stick. When it came to other attributes he could not hide the definitely attracted a fair amount of harassment. It was born with far too many bully. Target checklist boxes already checked. I often the kid to bully checklist Bob. Junior had a speech impediment bullies. Love a speech impediment. Talk One way. The kids are picking on. Talk differ way so you know let let the punching begin. Why don't you talk to wet or Kiss Talk Nerd your different? That's why get punched. Even more appealing to young troubled face. Punchers Robbie was heavily nearsighted and had to wear thick coke bottle. Glasses started when he was five years old. Poor bastard talked with a little kid lisp and he wore thick glasses Q. Face plant into locker guys. He talked different. Doesn't see as well as I do. I said space right. Rebel was also diagnosed with high blood pressure in early childhood and he had to take several different medications. Jeez Lisp glasses got all the time. Kid probably gave himself WEDGIES before heading to school. Just to get used to the feeling of having underwear jammed up his ass before he got there and he was notably unathletic so we had a hell of a time fighting off bullies. Grade School. Junior high must have been hell on earth for this kid sitting in class wearing thick glasses thinking about stamps showing the kid next to him. Some Romanian dime from his fucking coin collection teacher calls him to the front of the class to take his high blood pressure. Medication Robbie. It's time for your medicine a time as well. Thank you is cute and stuff to do. A fucking trash carries are nearly stamps to send you to trash. Ville no posters required. Kenny guys sending Trash Ville. There's no real place at Stanford put them in the garbage making things even worse his younger brother Daniel. I was the opposite born with perfect vision. No speech impediment Ding. Fuck about stamps or coins or pen. Pals had a lot of athletic ability Daniels. A much more traditional kid he kicked assets sports and Robertson. Your loved it and he and Mary winter all of his games. Robbie sat there probably whenever stamps. Or whatever Dow Vietnamese quick. It's my damn photo or should it be other countries. Damn Fota Robbie. I don't give a rat's ass what you do with your goddamn stamps. Now keep quiet. Y'All maybe miss my good son hidden. Rbi Devil Portal. Do I do feel sorry for young. Robert doesn't excuse. Anything you did is an adult but feel sorry for missing kit. Bob would say after his arrest. His father was disappointed in his lack of interest in sports and Saad is a sign of personal failure. And then he allegedly often compared him very unfavourably with his younger brother nearly nineteen sixties when Bordello reach puberty He discovered that he was gay. another thing. I'm guessing his dad would have hated now. He found out one day when he was sitting down going over stamp collection and he just kind of finally noticed that a good sixty seventy percent of his stamps were pictures Dick's No none of sources say exactly how Little Robbie discovered. He was gay as more of a gradual discovery than sudden. Aha moment now no initially Robbie sexual orientation closely guarded secret. Cuyahoga Falls Ohio in the early sixties. Probably wasn't the most progressive area and he definitely didn't come out of the closet. There is that would have a heart attack. Actually his dad did have a heart attack more on that soon. A Robbie tried to hide in highschool with girlfriend for brief period. That didn't work out for obvious. Reasons and loaner became more of a loner. Bob also grew to have what became an extremely strained relationship. With his parents faith grownup. He knew the Catholic Church would not accept him for being gay so he became. He became resentful toward the church. The had he felt no place for him. This left him feeling even more alone at into his problems with the church. When Bob Junior was a teenager in the early and mid Sixties Bob Senior began to get more involved in local church soon became disillusioned with its internal politics. He passed sediments onto Bob Junior. The Younger Bob Question is supposed infallibility of the priests disagreed with the concept of confession and forgiveness. Do these rob robed. Men Actually speak to God he would ask. Only God could really forgive someone once told a friend the young Brazil also wrestled with the church's doctrines not just homosexuality but divorce and birth control then on Christmas Day. Nineteen sixty five sixteen year old. Robbie had his already tenuous faiths tested further when the family drove down to Canton Ohio to visit relatives that evening. The senior della not even forty five. You're not even forty. Excuse me years. Old suffers a sudden massive heart attack in his hospitalized two days later on the twenty seven th Robert for Della senior dies at the age of just thirty nine Robbie despite any feelings of anger towards his father is reportedly devastated by the loss and then his sadness would soon be funneled into anger toward his mom. Initially Robert Attempted to find some solace in religion. But this became harder every days. The pain of losing his father ate away at him. The sixteen year old grew more impatient with Catholicism's inability to answer the spiritual questions. He asked his ideological problems with the church remained. He soon stopped attending services. Altogether and his mom starts dating somebody Almost immediately after his dad's death gets remarried just a few months after his dad died. Robbie couldn't believe how quickly she moved on. He was disgusted with her. He suspected she must have been having an affair with the man before his dad passed away. He doesn't initially get along with this new guy as you can imagine a man unnamed biographies about Bob. He also leader says an interview that he was sexually assaulted by some guy around this time never gave specific details about that encounter so really bad year for Bob Dad Dies. Mommy's remarries get sexually assaulted leaves. You know religion Over the years Brielle relationship with his mom and Stepdad would gradually improve as an adult. He'd call her often. Even make occasional visits you. Do you own do the twelve to fourteen hour drive to visit her in Ohio after moved to Kansas City. Also around the time. His father's death in nineteen sixty five while he's dealing with all this kind of all heavy shit is a sixteen year old while he's feeling extremely loan. While he's especially impressionable. He watches the film adaptation of the book to US movie as a huge lasting extremely dark impact on him This movie is definitely something. We should spend a few minutes a few minutes talking about. I obviously Bob didn't watch the two thousand nine horror film of the same name. He watched the nineteen sixty five psychological horror film. That has nothing to do with the two thousand nine movie Just don't want you to imagine the wrong movie you've seen. The newer won the nineteen sixty five film centers on a lonely young psychopath who buys a remote farmhouse with money. He essentially wins and kind of lottery. This man Frederick. Clegg is an amateur entomologist. Someone who scientifically studies insects and he spends his time capturing butterflies dude has a huge butterfly collection. Isolated and desperate for human interaction. Frederick began stocking a well to do and beautiful young Lund London art student named Randy Gray and one day Fredrick kidnapped Miranda knocking her allison chloroform that he takes her back to his new farmhouse. Miranda wakes up in a windowless seller. She's been imprisoned. And Frederick Informs Her that he loves her and he's going to keep her there for four weeks so she can get to know him And I do relate to this on some level. This is exactly my wife. I Lord her to a cage inside my house with a trail of parolees. Nice slammed shut in four weeks later. Open it up and see if I can stuck around you know a classic story and hopefully no. I'm kidding Healthy no one heard that well. Yeah no that's how I met. My wife has well after four weeks of captivity. Miranda still hasn't fallen Lower Frederick so now he decides to keep her longer until she at least tries to fall in love with him she pretends to love him even tries to do to prove she loves him. He can tell she's faking it. And he keeps her imprisoned. Eventually she gets sick she gets pneumonia. He leaves her to get medicine instead of taking her to a doctor and when he gets back she's died and he rationalize is all of. This is being her fault if she just could've loved him. If she would have cooperated she would still be alive. And then he starts hunting the next person to kidnap The next person who love him as the movie and the movie very well in nineteen sixty five at launched the actors portraying Miranda Samantha. Eggar to stardom she wanna Golden Globe for Best Actress. She was nominated for an Oscar. The film's Director William Wyler also nominated for an academy award. This movie. A lot of critics love this film for solid directing gripping performances suspenseful tense pacing and young. Bob Loved his well for not for any reason to critics. And movie goers did young. Bob's we talked about before it was also a collector of stamps and coins. He related very much. The film's protagonist. Who was a loner? Who felt misunderstood liked the protagonist. He realized that he wanted to collect someday a person maybe then they would understand him. Maybe that maybe then he could make them understand him and he could get what he wanted from somebody else. A- dark fantasy took root in young. Bob's mind one. That would grow in twist over the years until he did become a human collector. A much much darker. Version of Frederick. Click much more cruel and perverse this spring and nineteen sixty seven. Bob Graduates High School. The young Black Tiger Leaves Cuyahoga falls as a good student. Good enough grades to quickly get accepted into the Kansas City Art Institute Missouri. The now eighteen year old wants to study art and become an art professor. I this'll be the first time he'd leave Ohio in his whole life Kc I still around by the way. Two hundred twenty yards the Nelson Atkins Museum of art. The over thirteen different. Art Bachelor's degrees animation art history ceramics creative writing filmmaking graphic design painting sculpture photography. And more you can find it all at KC AI and they have a super dope website. When I was looking at over together some info for this suck. I had a moment of man. I wish I would've at school. They're not even think about art school. Oscar de la had a great time. At least I he did. It was nineteen sixty fuck seven and he grew his hair long and a full bushy beard. A thick mustache NYSC. My facial hair wasn't ready for that level of commitment at the age of eighteen. A rebel was considered to be a talented student to work extra hard finding artistic inspiration. He loved it life with good. He's rocking out to the doors. The Stones Pink Floyd Jefferson airplane the Beatles Smoking Dope we're going to stash his first romances with some other dudes. What a great time to kick off college man. He starts going to art school during the fall. Following the nineteen sixty seven summer of love two years away from Woodstock growing that hair out dropping acid drawn sculpt and pain artistically experiment in Kansas City. Kansas City wasn't exactly San Francisco or Berkeley but it did have artsy scene and some hip little neighborhoods and Bob was a part of all of that. He partied hard. A lot of kids. Back did back then He he may have taken it a step further. The most kids started selling drugs to his classmates. Whatever you know. It probably wasn't that uncommon having a great time. Nineteen sixty eight at the age of Nineteen Brielle is arrested for attempting to sell methamphetamines to undercover officers Whoops yeah imagine trying to talk his way out of it. Come on officer. There's no need to do this now. It looks like part of our project. I'm yes Zach Math and yes I I try to sell it to you and not because I'm a drug dealer. I'm I'm a performance artists posing as a drug dealer in order to properly convey sense of honesty into anti-drugs ultra. I've worked okay. You're not going to buy it Bob was released after posting a three thousand dollar bond equivalent to twenty two thousand and two thousand nineteen. Or I'm sorry really today's money and He later plead guilty to the offense and was handed. A five year suspended sense one month one month. After this first arrest Dylan in two other students arrested for possession of marijuana LSD Maybe bobby partied a little hard of the most Who WAS UNABLE TO POST BOND? This time you spent five days in jail. And then the charges against him and one of the other students were drops. Due to lack of evidence despite encounter a little bit of legal trouble. Life was still great for Bob. He was pretty well liked by their students. Of course he was if anything getting busted by the man for trying to sell drugs to Hippie. Art Students I imagine helped. Bob's popularity immensely by the nerd with a speech impediment the stamp and coin collectors. Now the fucking cool drug dealing hippie art student following year. Bob's campus likability would take a massive hit. GonNa get a lot harder route for Bob. Going forward in our story now Baba's fellow students probably were cool with a couple of drug arrests but they would not be cool with some strange animal cruelty. The Art Student Casey. I were encouraged to really find themselves and then express their true selves through various artistic mediums. And Bob did that and maybe Bob shouldn't have done that. Maybe he should've hit his true self. And maybe he should have worked to find. Express somebody else's self by the age of twenty and early nineteen sixty nine della reportedly had a massive ego. He thought he was becoming quite the artist and what seems to be three different occasions. Bordellos artistic instincts lead him to experimenting on. Live animals. I I live art presentation. He tortured and killed and then cooked duck. He cut the dog's head off in front of other students as part of this Piece of performance. Art then he danced around with holding the buddy carcass up in front of the stunned classmates. For some reason he did not get an a plus and a Standing Ovation. No one stood up and yelled. Fuck out metal shit. No the other kids in faculty were discussed Super Deli. Goes back to the drawing board for his next performance the amazing Badilla Constructs a small maze and then hand people. You know students entering the as a baby. Chicken to hold little chick at the end of the Mace. The participant watches a short film of another little. Chick pecking away at some food. Then out of nowhere. A sudden explosion as the chicken on the film is shot to death by Bob Art. Baby don't you get it The unexpected killing to the chickens sometimes caused the participant watching this You know this chicken gets shot to accidentally squeeze the little chick they were holding in their hand. Hard enough to really hurt. It and rebelo reportedly enjoyed the irony of this immensely would laugh his ass off No one else laughed. Had I been there? I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. Might have left okay. I know it's fucked up but I have a very dark sense of humour so dark sometimes scares me and I might have been like okay. That's FUCKED UP AS PRETTY CLEVER. Ab- try to rationalize all this art house Mumbo jumbo you know. Don't you see the irony here? Someone is pointing finger at someone judging them condemning them for killing a chicken calling them cruel them a monster while the exact same. I'm the same person is hurting the very chicken. They're supposed to protect. How can you judge someone else for being cruel? Won't you despite not meaning to inflict the same type of cruelty yourself? Does the chicken care about your intention. No cares about the result. This whole experiment is the perfect representation of authentic unsanitised human nature. Death and harm are inevitable. Intention doesn't matter results you. Yeah Nice. Try Bob that's about that's bullshit. Well no you just. That'll be funny to torment. People by having them heard a chicken or watching film of Houston Chicken. You sick fuck this performance piece even more unpopular than the last one other students and faculty the ones who didn't like the duck pace. They really didn't like the chicken peace. Now they're definitely seen him as a cruel Weirdo so he tries to win. Everybody back does back to the drawing board comes up with the third art project. Final Art Project. I'm not making this stuff. This is ridiculous. He just kept doing this first final. He tortures a dog with sedatives and tranquilizers until it Dies Art Baby. Now everyone was like. Okay okay alright. None of that other should made sense earlier. But now now I fucking get it genius Bob Genius. This perfectly represents the futility of modern life. We're the dog you are the world got we sedate ourselves. We ourselves with drugs and alcohol. We plays a cruel master. Who PUTS US IN? A in a futile predicament. Just like the draw. The dog tried to please you and just kill it. Anyways we try to please God only to die at fates cruel hands. Bravo Bob Bravo. No people were fucking pissed even people who are cool with duck and chicken shit like man. Fuck that they're like ducks and chickens. Okay all right. I eat those animals per dogs. Faulk Bob Casey. Ai Collegiate Board. That handled a disciplinary actions. Expelled Bob for his dead dog project. Some sources do say that Bob Vantera voluntarily left school because he was furious over the backlash his little art projects received most sources say he was kicked the Fuck Outta school. I'm GonNa believe that all all the sources seem to agree that the circumstances Bob left school under brought a great deal of personal shame didn't leave on a good note While the normal person may have interpreted everyone being super mad at him for torturing and killing animals for its art projects as a sign to maybe reevaluate their life and possibly turn it around possibly move in a different direction for Della decided that he was the victim. He saw all of this You know another reason just to be angry at the world. You know the Board at the center of study simply didn't understand his art. He was genius. They were stupid and they were jealous. They couldn't comprehend his genius vision so they decided to punish him just like everybody else. Punish him you know he got picked on for being misunderstood again just like the bullies back in grade school. Junior high used to pick on him after leaving. Casey becoming an art professor just didn't seem like a reasonable possibility for about so he changed. Directions enrolled at a local culinary school. Sources do not name where he studied briefly to become a chef Upon graduation he was able to find work in the kitchens of a variety of Kansas city bars and restaurants initially as a short order. Cook if you live in the Casey area and you eat out a lot Eat out a lot of bars and restaurants that have been around in some capacity since the early seventies. You probably ended a place where Bobadilla once worked in the kitchen. Eventually Bob gain an extra reputation for his cooking and he would land a few head shift positions. He'd even join eventually a chef's association where he teach students at a local Culinary College By the end of nineteen sixty nine. Bob Moved to the Hyde Park neighborhood of mid in Midtown Kansas City Hyde Park neighborhood. I plotted out in an area. Land boom in the eighteen eighties was having quite the revitalization in nineteen sixty nine in the early seventies. The neighborhood had peaked in the early nineteen hundreds when it was pretty well to do pretty Hoity toity then during a housing shortage following world war. Two many old beautiful homes from the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds fell into disrepair and were converted into apartments multi unit buildings. The neighborhood became primarily low income area and the ones desirable neighborhood became crime. Ridden in one of the least desirable neighborhoods of Kansas City. And then the late sixties and early seventies. Lots of young. Kansas City residents saw all kinds of possibility in this little historical neighborhood full of old beautiful and cheap homes by the mid Seventies Hyde. Park will become a hip neighborhood on the rise. An estimated one third of the roughly fifteen hundred houses in Hyde Park would change hands between nineteen seventy five in nineteen seventy seven. The Times were changed in Hyde Park. And Bob got enrolled early on this in late nineteen. Sixty-nine Bob was able to Get One of these houses on a young cooks budget on a short order. Cook budget Budget was likely enhanced by some money. He continued to deal drugs off and on. He bought a home at four three one five Charlotte Street Two thousand eight hundred sixty one square feet two stories plus a partial basement. No bedroom bathroom infos given But I I. I'm kind of his. His his house was bulldozed. But this based on there's a lot of similar homes right on the street. This is based on finding that address a while back. I think these are roughly correct I was able to use Google Street. View give myself a little tour of his old neighborhood and many of the homes on the street look almost identical. These older homes house next door to his recently sold in real estate websites at a three bedroom. One and a half ass. It's smaller based on some other local home sales data. I'm GonNa say Bob's home was like three or four bedroom with two full bathrooms Maybe even two and a half bath not bad for someone who isn't quite twenty one years old super impressive Some things about the past definitely suck of talked about that many times would not want to go live in the past but man Much easier to buy a home when I was young that it is for young people. Now you know home prices in the late sixties and seventies compared to now. I'll may was so much better. Nineteen seventy check out this little detour into some numbers. I found fast. Eighty nine thousand nine hundred seventy based on. Us Census data the average price of a home in Kansas. Was Forty six thousand dollars. The average and this was a below average neighborhood. Way Below Average neighborhood known for people finding amazing deals for the time in nineteen sixty nine nine hundred seventy so. Let's say Bob got his house for no more than Twenty K. And I bet that's true. I bet he got for less than that. If you put four thousand dollars down on a home in nineteen seventy took out a thirty year mortgage finance it say Three percent your mortgage would be a hundred and thirty nine dollars a month. Taking into account homeowners insurance and property tax but homeowners insurance wasn't always required if Bob didn't have to pay homeowner's insurance back in nineteen and sixty nine and there's a good chance he didn't. His monthly mortgage would've been eighty seven dollars. Eighty seven dollars a month. Minimum wage in nineteen seventy bucks. Sixty an hour. If you made minimum wage worked forty hours a week. You may two hundred seventy seven dollars a month. Short order cooks based on Employment Data. Make around thirty percent more than minimum wage on average nationally. If that was true for Bob he would have made just working to cook working fulltime. Three hundred and sixty dollars a year doesn't sound like much but if your mortgage is eighty seven dollars a month right. Oh I'm sorry in three hundred sixty dollars. A month for the are not for the total here. Yeah but if your mortgage is eighty seven dollars that would mean your mortgage would only eat up about twenty four percent of your budget. Which is very doable. And I'm guessing Bob again made more than this overall The average mortgage in America in two thousand nineteen was one thousand thirty dollars a month. Good luck in. The House is big as Bob's in any up and coming neighborhood for that mortgage came by the way if you made thirty percent above the federal minimum wage of seven twenty five and two thousand nineteen. You'd made a sixteen thirty three months. That mortgage would be sixty three percent of your income. Not Doable it's just crazy to me. How much easier? It was to get a house. Nine hundred sixty nine than in two thousand nineteen or today love living in the present love the Internet love streaming. Tv shows love advancements and travel and medicine love all the technology technology advancements hate how much harder it has gotten in America to be a first time homeowner. Okay sorry done with that tange now. I just so confused when I I read that he Bought a homeless. Like how fuck did he do that? I got lost in Little Hyde Park Wormald in high park. Bob Will Begin building a strong reputation as a cool guy in great neighbor. He later used this reputation that trust built because of it as a tool to kill time and time again bob very similar to John Wayne Casey. In this respect Bob was seen as a helpful neighbor. Neighbors Excuse me took part in crime. Prevention a neighborhood watch patrols. He participated in neighborhood fundraising events for local. Tv stations. Yeltsin started a little business from home that he would later become well known locally for back when he was an art school. Bob Begun to collect a number of auditees from around the world right. He had his relationships with people all over the world. He's started when he was a kid. All these pen pal relationships and he started using those relationships to buy art and local crafts from people all over the planet and this part of his story is pretty cool. All of those early relationships begin to pay off. He starts buying primitive art local crafts other decor from around the world. Occult OBJECTS START. Selling it in Kansas City in the days before Ebay and cost plus world market fucking genius like think about what that market would look like before the Internet long before you could buy damn near anything on Amazon long before you could access online stores from every nation on Earth and buy something and have it sent your house with a couple of clicks if you lived in Kansas City and like nineteen seventy and you want something from Peru you had to go to Peru or have someone you know coming back from Peru bring it for you or you define that rare international importer. Who brought shit back from Peru and then order from them prior? Wait for a long time. And he's importers I'm guessing. Were not the easiest people to find or you had to know someone like Bob Dela a guy who'd been making international contacts and he was a little kid back in Cuyahoga falls at first Bob just collected Shit for himself and then when someone came to his place and they were like Whoa man. Where'd you get that tribal mass coach? Shit where'd you get that carvedilol or whatever know he'd say you got it from Borneo or Nepal or Vietnam or someplace then at this someone some Dingle Jones Wanna one. He was like yeah. Just give me you know X. amount of dollars and I'll have bowel wins ended over and then people see the exotic item at Dingle Jones's house they think oh cool. Where'd you get that then? Dingle recommends them to Bob and Pretty Soon Bob. Thanks hey wait a minute. I can make this into a business. I make some real money doing this so we start doing that for several years. He does it. You know As a side business from his home selling more stuff making more international contacts build up clients while he works in local bar or restaurants kitchens. Bob also starts to take advantage of a lot of young Kansas City men in the early seventies after having a brief legitimate relationship with Vietnam war veteran of began spending time with young guys. Who'd fallen on hard times and gotten into prostitution drugs or run away to the outside world. It looks like a saint. He's helping troubled youth right. Get their shit back together but really he is using these guys praying desperation now. He's dragging them and raped them. We'll find out more about that much later. Suck Bob Tries to steer this young men back onto the right track and the system and living leaving their harmful lifestyles behind. And also you know. Fox Him. Just Just a super shady dude helped you ride. Oh come on I. I helped you get off the streets. I know you're I know you're not gay. But can you do me one favor? I mean. Can you do that? Can you stick the tip and just refunds? These it's not even a if you're you know you're the one hit get it. I mean you know that right Some of the younger teams Saadallah is a sort of foster parent. Foster Dad who again tried to fuck him a more. Echoes of John. Wayne Casey. Here that's serial killer luring young men into a mentor type relationship and exploiting it throughout much of the seventy s and the early eighties. Brielle continues to work as a Cook. Moving up the kitchen ladder from short order. Cook to chef occasionally selling trading drugs continuing to sell weird shit from around the world from his home continuing to work with and take advantage of troubled youth around the neighborhood. He's definitely considered odd by many by the early eighties. He's basically only hanging out with. Troubled youths has no friends his own age but he's also You know most people well liked. He's also participated in you know. Local community programs like the Crime. Watch programs. He's hiding in plain sight right. He's Trying to build up an image publicly of being at least a somewhat trusted pillar of the community in the early eighties. He also begins running out the occasional room in his home to young dudes for extra money and that will Later lead some future victims literally right to his door in nineteen thirty nine hundred eighty two thirteen years after moving into Hyde Park. Thirteen years a working in all sorts of kitchens mentoring molesting all sorts of young men selling all sorts of oddities from around the world dealing drugs from time to time visiting MOM Stepdad. Sometimes back in Ohio Thirteen years with no long term relationships based on account to those familiar with him. No solid long term friendships. After all this Bob Decides to open up the business many long term residents of Kansas City. Still Remember Bob's bazaar bazaar be a Z. A. R. B. I. Z. A. R. E. Found an old business card for. Bob's bizarre bizarre doing a Google image. Search eight one seven Westport Road Kan city Missouri and the old Westport Flea Market Robert Bella. Eight one six seven five three nine seven eight nine ethnological curiosities from the world's far corners is nine hundred. Eighty two thirty-three-year-old Bob Decides. He will invest in little shop even thinking about for many years. Despite his modest successes cook- cooking was not as passion collecting was he was still primarily a collector right. He's been a collector since he was a kid in those coins stamps. Bob had saved up a little money over the years and he decided to invest that money in starting an antique selling business for a cultist eccentrics other lovers of strange and exotic items and he rents a booth westport flea market. The booth specializes novelty items. That appeal to those with darker and a cult. Type taste stuff. Like Human Skulls Occult Books Local Indigenous Jewelry from around the world. Many other novelty items. Bob's interest these items would later fuel media allegations. After his arrest Brielle was part of a large underground ring of Satanic deviance. Of course there was speculation. Right the eighties. Say Tannock panic anytime. Some pervert gets arrested Still to this day right at the show. The slightest interest. In the occult. There's a small portion of of People out there who immediately to the thought of this is just the tip of the iceberg. I know it I flip a note is GonNa uncover a whole legion. A devilish diller's there are people out there who think cove nineteen is fake and that the reason for all the shelter in place. Orders is a so special task forces can quietly arrest celebrities and other wealthy elites who were part of a vast satanic pedophile. Ring fucking crazy. People just will never let us know. Large tactic ring of rapists and pedophiles has ever been discovered literally ever not one time. BOB was not part of a ring. He was just a lone Wolf Weirdo. Harboring seriously fucked up fantasies while managing the booth. Bordello befriended a man named Paul Howell as well as his son. Jerry Robert and Jerry soon formed a friendship and of course he forms a friendship with his sons guy just doesn't have relationships people roughly zone age. They'd be seen Sharon drinks in the company of Friends at other times. Would give the young troublemaker. Who was only seventeen and nineteen ninety-two legal advice? Jerry's Dad Paul relocated his business. Whatever it was Can't can't find sources out of the flea market in. Nineteen ninety-three to the intersection of thirty ninth and Main Street tried like hell to find Paul's business. I found out that Paul had numerous run INS with the law. The died in two thousand twelve at the age of seventy three would have been ten years older than Bob. But Yeah but could not find out what he sold And again weird to me that he let his seventeen year old son. Hang out with Then thirty-three-year-old Bob the Bob Jerry would go to have drinks. Jerry was having run. Ins with the law There are rumors he was working from time to time as a male prostitute. Maybe Paul just couldn't control. The Sun is always that possibility Don't why exactly the hung out a lot? But Bob and Jerry did start to hang out a lot. Nine hundred eighty two impalas family moved in nineteen eighty three. They continued to hang out and the two ran into a little friendship relationship. Problem on July Fourth Nineteen eighty-four. Bob Thought he should be able to kidnap and torture. Paul and Paul didn't like that because Killed Him yes ally. Fourth Nineteen Four was the day. Bob would kidnap his first known murder victim and the victim was now nineteen year old Jerry Howell and before we talk about it I think this is the least disruptive place in the narrative to take a quick break Thank you all by the way for using our sponsor codes at helps silvery much. Most of us are sticking close to home for the time being. 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He'd loan jerry some money to help him out of illegal jam months prior and he's getting more and more pissed. The Jerry was refusing to pain. Back kept dodging the question. Whenever Bob brought it up and on Independence Day he decided to take out his frustrations with Jerry. In ways. Jerry could have never imagined or expected rebels showed up Jerry's House or cause his dad's house Paul's House late on the afternoon of independence. Day saying he wanted to go do something fun with Jerry. He thought the two of them should go to a dancing contest and Mariam. They'll suburb to South West downtown. Kansas City just north of the big suburb of Overland Park Mariam was recently named as one of the most tourist friendly cities in America by EXPEDIA. And I find this very confusing because no offense to marry him. People who live there I can't find a single tourist hotspot that anyone would want to go check out. It looks looks fine. Listen ice but no special attractions when you click attractions on Mariam's city website. The first thing that comes to the movie theater and I like movie theaters but I'm not can take a vacation. Go check it out. How much did marry Him Chamber of Commerce? Pay You expedia Anyway Young Jerry. Unaware of BOB's true motives gets in the car with him to head to marry him to do some dancing shortly after getting into the car Dell offers jerry a drink back when having an alcoholic beverage in the car was not fucking weird as it is now. Dui Laws Way more relaxed back then unfortunately for Jerry. Drink was spiked with sedative. Drugs for Dylan never intended to take Jerry that dance contest. He planned to do horrible shit to the guy before he ever picked him up the day. The two simply drove around killing time. Is Jerry Got Sleep? Easier and more disoriented. Rumor that art school project when Bobby tranquilized and that eventually killed a dog would redel had continued to practice dating mammals in the your sense Branillo Bread Chow chows and had collected plenty of animals sedatives for a moment just like this once. Jerry was sufficiently sedated. Bob took him home. Who's fucked up? Not Too fucked up to walk. Guided him into the House House? Jerry had been too many times before once inside. Bob injected him with more tranquilliser to keep him submissive. He walked jerry to his bed and after stripping off his clothes he tied him to it. He'd done it. He had done where he'd been fantasizing about since he was sixteen years old back in nineteen sixty five. He had kidnapped someone and brought them home just like his hero. Frederick Clegg Collector. Just like Frederick was now also a collector of human beings and for the next twenty eight hours. Bob Did whatever he wanted to young Jerry for a long while. He stood beside him watching it admiring his body when the sedatives began to wear off he enjoyed watching Jerry. You know wake up and wonder what the fuck was going on you know. Ask him what what he was doing. Why was he doing this? Come on Bob Bob. Let me go then raped Jerry. Numerous Times late into the evening the next morning he sexually tortured Jerry. With foreign objects at one point it took a cucumber and vilely violently. Excuse me shoved it into his ass. Tearing Him Whenever Jerry was conscious enough to to bed too loud for mercer scream for help brazelle would give them a quick shot of sedative to call him down after staying up all night torturing Paul the next morning July Fifth Bob went to work and opened up. Bob's bizarre bizarre as if nothing was wrong Putin is normal ship for the day after gagging Jerry so no one could hear screams and no one suspected a thing. When he returned home from work that afternoon he went right back to torture. You decided to document the torture writing notes regarding what he did and when he did it. Those notes while they're entered into trial Did Not make it into two biographies written about Bob Reference. A lot but Not Very few of the notes made it to digital form. I found a few images little snippets while most of them were of too poor quality as far as the handwriting and image quality to actually even read. I did find one. I found one page that I was able to read. I did transcribe it. It was from the torture session of its fourth victim. James Ferris. I will read that when we get to that portion of the timeline. It's of course pretty terrible and gives a feel for the kind of things he was doing with these guys in addition to taking notes regarding what he did to Jerry. He also got his polaroid camera and took some photos. Several of these photos can be found online and look them up at your own risk. They are of course. Fucking disturbing haunting. I did look and then quickly closed the window. Seen random young men tied up obviously in pain. There's a photo this one guy. Mid Electrocution Too much shortly after midnight on July Fifth Jerry's horrific ordeal ends. Bob would later confessed that he is unsure whether Jerry had died due to Jerry's fixated on his own vomit. He'd been gagged for long periods of Torture. Or if he died from all of the sedatives and tranquilizers finally stopping breath after brief and failed attempt. Cpr disappointed della lifts up to now. Jed Jerry Hal drags him down to the basement and then he hangs the corpse from the ceiling. Overpop- like it was a fucking cow carcass. Getting READY TO BE BUTCHERED CLIMBS. Back upstairs the search for a set of cooking knives and this is where the butcher of Kansas City would get this nickname. Bob would use his kitchen. Experience here. Villa worked on Jerry's body much like a butcher in a slaughterhouse would first cutting open the jugular and inner elbow veins drain the blood from the corpse. Brazil left his body to hang overnight returning the next morning finished. Cutting it up with a chainsaw in bone knives then he disposed of. Jerry's body dog food bags that were then rapid larger black trash bags and then he put these bags outside for the garbage collectors. Who threw them in the garbage truck without suspicion? He had gotten away with it but he didn't really enjoy it not this first time now like he would going forward. A lot of serial killers seemed to have this reaction to the first kill. They're excited but also repulsed afraid of how far they'd taken things worried that they're going to be caught but then when they don't get caught when they have more and more time to reflect on what they've done how alive they felt doing something so evil. How the rest of their life now feels boring by comparison to get back into it. They chase that dark high again. Bedell said an elite confession that for killing Jerry Hall. Initially was repulsed by what he done that. He didn't want to actually kill him. I don't think he actually knew what he wanted going into it. Not totally I mean. Did he think similar to the hope of the protagonist and the collector that You know he would keep them long enough for Jerry to somehow fall in love with him when he was fucking crazy. I think he might have in some fucked up twisted way or maybe he knew was bound with him cutting Jerry to peace in the basement and he just did it anyway. Maybe just didn't have a real plan other than he just wanted time up and see what would happen. After Bob Disposed Jerry's body. He tried to put the whole thing out of his mind. He told Jerry's Dad. Paul hadn't seen Jerry since Dan cost dance contest in that Mariam. Sorry Paul I use dancing with some guy Wouldn't leave with me last time I I saw. I'm sorry I'm sure he'll turn up. A Paul was suspicious from the start. The Bob did something to his son but he just couldn't prove it. There was no evidence of a crime. There was no body was strange crime stranger from me than if you've done the same thing to someone who had never met I mean. Can you imagine going to a bar with someone you've known for two full years a friend someone who knew Your Dad? You know somebody who loaned your money. Yeah you had drinks together numerous times before and then you go for this time you get a naturally sleepy then you wake up to find. They've tied to a bed. You're naked now. The raping you there. Seven eight fucking cucumber. God knows what else up your ass probably playing some tunes blackout. The sounds of everything happening. Turn UP THE TV. Like he would later victims. How surreal horrible. What did you do in that situation? You pretend to like it in the hopes of getting them to untie you unless you feel like you can break loose. That's your only survival playwright. I mean how messed up is that to try under those conditions upon the acting performance of your life. Yeah Yeah Oh love it. Bob Love a big ask cucumbers other prickly skin. Oh boy he shoved him astronaut loop of Bob. Let's start this party. This fucking this engine see what else you can get in there or hurt so good. You should untie me so I can help. We're GONNA forehands to get up in my ass what I have in mind I mean. Is that what you do do beg for? Mercy? I don't think you do. I feel like if you beg for mercy to a sadist is going to make them that much more excited. Right are there. Aren't they just GonNa be more turned on the more you beg? Would they maybe lose interest if they thought you liked it really? Hope we never have to test this out. Brunello be quiet for a while. After Jerry's murder you wouldn't find another victim for almost a year. The following year nineteen thousand five would be. Bedell is most active murder run. He would go on to kill a total of three young men and eighty five. Bob continued to appear to help. Young men get back on their feet out of the goodness of his heart following his first murder even let a few of them live at his house until they could find jobs and get their lives back together. His reputation for generosity would bring his next victim right to his door like I mentioned earlier on April tenth. Ninety five thirty six year old Robert Geller. Junior her Nakas front door. It was twenty-three-year-old Robert Sheldon. Who said he needed a place to stay for a while after being kicked out of his previous home he has to stay with Bob. Umbrella was like yeah I mean. Maybe that's that's fine. Quick Question How do you? How do you feel about cucumbers? And then Shelton was like I don't know I mean I M umbrella was like. Yeah Yeah you do. Sassy little minx. So it was like what no don't worry about it. I'll get it in there. Hey come on I don't know if there's anything like that they might have. I don't know I do know. The BOB agreed to take shelter men. Although he later said he was reluctant to do so. Portillo told investigators. After he was arrested he was hesitant because he just wasn't physically attracted to Robert Sheldon hit zero sexual interest in him. He would have never pursued sheldon. His happened to be the wrong place at the wrong time after just two days. Something about Shelton did bring out. Bob's desire to make him his next victim he didn't want to rape him. He didn't WanNa try anything sexual with him. He did want to try out new ways of inflicting pain on a body ways. He wasn't able to try with his first victim on the afternoon of April Twelfth. Della arrives home from work to find sheldon lying unconscious intoxicated from having drank too much the opportunity to take advantage of a helpless Robert Sheldon's too enticing for Bob to pass up showed too drunk to even feel the needle that Bob punctured his vein with the sedative rapidly spread throughout his body and Brielle gleefully prepared to torture his second victim after Bob Tied Sheldon Up. He let him up to the second floor bedroom. There he began will be Sheldon's long painful slow death by waiting for him to return to consciousness so he could explain to him what was about to happen. So twisted echoes of David. Parker rated toy box killer here as sheldon reeled in shock hearing what hell awaited him for Della produced a syringe and to inject drain. Oh into is fucking eyeballs. He shot drain. Cleaner into. This dude is drain on. If you put enough of it onto your is if you don't rinse it out it will absolutely blind you. It Will Destroy Your Eyes. And this is what he did to shell blurred. Vision burned like hell permanently damage vision. Had He lived very good chance he just would've been blind. Why did Bob do this? He's wanted to know what happened. Mobile maybe didn't know he was going to kill Jerry from the start. It's very clear he did no. He was going to kill Robert Sheldon from the start after damaging his is Bob then grabbed a metal rod and needles and just went back and forth between smashing Roberts hands with with metal rod in his bones and injecting the needle's into his fingertips just to hurt him just wanted to see how much pain someone could take Oh my God that that was bad. It gets much worse. I think Alberto Lenses decide to get some caulking sealant and inject it directly into Sheldon's ears ear canals to deafen him. He didn't want him to be able to see or hear what pain was coming next to him. He wanted to inflict maximum physical pain and maximum psychological pain. Holy Shit. I watched a prison interview Bob on Youtube. And he explains how he was able to do what he did. He says he he chose to see his victims less than human. He says it's very mundanely. He says he chose to see them as nothing more than a play toy or an object the interview with him so disturbing not because he seemed like a monster but because he didn't just kinda monotone seems like a mild mannered. Kind of friendly actually frumpy. Little Art collector seems weird. You know but not threatening or angry. His eyes aren't scarier dead. He comes across as pretty well. Spoken INTELLIGENT AT ONE. Point talks about rumors. These partisan tannock ring you know. And he says that the media chose to portray him as a satanic monster because quote human sacrifice satanism. Demonic practices are are more believable to me being the neighbor next door who reached a point in his life where he could do mantra sacks. That's not the same thing as being a monster What he speaks to here is exactly what makes killer so terrifying to me. He can't always see them. Come in they are often not cartoonish. Evil Villain parodies. They're wearing black robes splattering in the blood of a split in the blood of of a sacrificial victim you know they can appear someone who would never in a million years. Do the kind of things that Bob did. Now Bob Specifically. I don't think his murder shocked people to same with like Bundy's did because he does seem pretty weird Not Murders but weird. You no doubt any old art school. Professors were totally shocked. But other than selling lots of occult objects that Bob Bizarre Bizarre and his cruel article projects. It didn't seem like a murderer in the prison interview. If you take away the subject matter and just basing opinion of him based on his overall demeanor he seems like it might be fun to have a drink or two with a back to poor Robert Sheldon now. He's blind thanks to the drain. No deaf thanks to his ears being cocked. Shut in a lot of pain. Thanks to the drain on hand being smashed and poked up with needles as Bob continues to torture him. He raises the television volume to ensure his neighbors won't be alerted by his victim's screams he also binds sheldon's risks with piano wire to make it highly unlikely he'll try and escape every time he moves the wires cut into his flesh. This feels like something straight out of one of those saw movies on April fifteen three days after beginning to torture Sheldon Sheldon. He still alive three days of this rape many many times. A construction worker then comes Bhai to work on some roof tiles. Bob had completely forgotten the he'd scheduled this guy to come over faced with a chance of Roofer could hear sheldon screams. Baba's is to abruptly end his torture experiment. He reluctantly goes up to the second floor. Puts a thick sack over Sheldon's head pulls a rope tied around his neck and suffocates him and then bought. Bob Just call me. Let's the river into his home. Once the roofers done for the day leaves Bella Drag Sheldon's corpse to the bathroom dissect him in the TUB. Apart from Sheldon's head. He disposes of this corpse similar to the way he did. You know disposed of House corpse of Jerry's out with the trash after disposing of Sheldon's disembodied Body parts are dismembered. Brielle decides to essentially study. What he'd done now reflect on it. He wasn't repulsed this time he liked it. He wanted to do it again. He enjoyed his art projects. Back in school. Inflicted pain on a duck chicks a dog. He saw a macabre way his first two murder victims as an extension of those early art pieces. He did see this stuff as art fucked up way. He thought he was a visionary Noah strangers body was as blank canvas pain and agony whereas paintbrush. He sat down to read is not inspected as his inspected polaroid's he'd learned plenty from both torture murder projects. The painting cost shelled had been quite intense despite the fact that he left some of his plans unfinished due to that roofers eruption. He wanted to take things further on whoever he collected next. When night fell Robert went out to the backyard victims. Heady buried for safekeeping until later when he would relocate it inside. It was part of his collection. He was excited to find someone new. He was shocked that the police hadn't shown up he killed two people in other than Jerry's Dad Paul known one suspected a damn thing. I stop right now. He would later recall thinking to himself. He quit that he forever. Get Away with torturing. Killing two people thought his victims disappearance didn't register a cause any concerns with the community or among law enforcement. Not Really. His neighborhood wasn't blanket with you. Know Have you seen this man posters? I mean he interviewed a few times but nothing crazy. He's maybe he was careful he could just keep getting away with it. He decided to in the next opportunity arose to drug and torture someone who's GonNa take it and then on June. Twenty second nineteen ninety-five barely two months after his last abduction. He found a new victim twenty year old Mark Wallace Wallace. Another case of someone being at the wrong place at the wrong time mark was not a drug abuser or a male prostitutes. Young Dude who bob had hired to do some yard work. The sad series of events that led to mark's objection started with severe thunderstorm. Bob Looked window saw mark taking shelter from the heavy rain. This shed so he invited him into the House to wait out the storm and while mark ran from the shed to Bob's house Bob decided he was going to die. Mark seem to sense that something was amiss to after the two talked in his living room. Bob Realize it's US UNEASY. So Bob offered him an injection of drugs. Assure assuring him this will just help him who just make him feel better? More relaxed told the storm just had him on edge. You know that he just you know. Take a little bit of this. You'll feel much better despite his apprehend Amar agrees to let bob shoot him up. Bob Proceeds to inject him with a heavy dose of Clark Promising Clip. Promising powerful tranquilizers used primarily in the management of schizophrenia and related psychosis psycho. Sece's excuse me. How did Bobbi hold of that well? Head a lot of shady context. This guy used sell meth. If there was a drug he wanted he knew how to get it guy who was still dealing drugs from time to time within half an hour. Mark was unconscious. Bob Carried him up to a second floor bedroom. Where tied him up once again. Bob Waited for his victim to wake up just so he could tell him what was going to happen to him. What horrors waited with mark? Pro-dole wanted to try something new. He was very excited trout. The effects of large amounts of electricity on the human body. He could barely hide is torture. Boehner I wonder if the sick fuck was blatantly giddy in front of the duty tied up based on how he acted in that prisoner view. He laughed at numerous points once laughing. At how the media called his torture journals meticulous because he thought it was absurd to call a loose collection of scraps of paper with one or two sentence statements regarding what he was doing meticulous news. Like using this meticulous based on this and other moments how how he can so casually talk about the most horrible things you can do to someone. I wonder if he expressed excitement over what he was doing. So scary new madge waking up on some dudes bed just naked bound some dude you just met. He's talking about how fun is going to be too light you up like you like you just found winning lottery numbers home. I got. It's it's Mark Right. Sorry Mark I. I'm very excited I. I'm so glad you're awake. Great News I had to kill the last guy before I want to do because I I forgot. I'd made a point with a Roofer from such a dingell. Sometimes my mom Mary also said Robbie she said. You'd lose your head screwed on and it's it's so true anyway mark because I forgot. I'd kill Robert Sheldon before I could even see how many votes you can handle. Can you even imagine how sad I was heavens to betsy? I was bummed. But now you're here hot diggity dog. This is going to be the best. Oh Man we're GonNa have so much fun I mean not you? This is going to be healthy. But I'm going to have a blast. Thank you sincerely. Thank you for showing up. Don't go anywhere. Don't go anywhere now that you could. What are they talking about? I I'M GONNA I'M GONNA GET THE NIPPLE CLAMPS. I'll Mike. I think I would rather have someone taught me with how horrible it was going to be someone who told me how much they fucking hated me. I would rather have that. That have someone who's Giddy. Who just like. Oh like a kid in the candy shop who can't wait to trout new torture methods someone who gives out a fucking journal so they can write this down right giddy person to me is even crazier and less likely to respond to some kind of emotional plea to let me go an angry person. I think and Bob did by the way go grab some nipple clamps. He grabbed alligator clips. Attached them to Wallace's Nipples kept the poor kid awake throughout the torture by shocking him whenever he started to lose consciousness. What a horrible Shit. He did the wall. None of the sources say for unclear reasons less as written about wallison any other victim We do know that record. The event with photos and detailed notes in that journal again We also know that he tortured mark until early the next morning and then after taking a little break tortured him throughout the next day. He shoved hypodermic needles into marks muscles. Injecting THEM WITH RANDOM CHEMICALS STUFF LIKE BLEACH. He ramped up the torture until around seven. Pm with mark died and when he died Bob was upset again. He was having so much fun. He loved it and now he broke in his new favorite toy. Did these people toys and he was pissed. He took Martha's corpse into the bathroom just like he'd done with Robert Sheldon dissect the body in the TUB wrapped everything up in multiple black bags once again. Put it outside for the garbage men to collect. This time. Bob Waited and watched the garbage crew. Take away the evidence of his crimes. He liked seeing them haul off those bags. He couldn't believe it. It was really that easy. He later admitted that it was here that he decided he was definitely gonNa keep killing until someone got him. He stated that he knew what he was doing was wrong at least in some sense but he justified his torture. Knowing that few people had ever gotten to experiment on a human body in the way that he was experimenting he started to see himself as something between like an artist and a medical scientist or medical researcher. This line of thinking. Don't be inspire him to be even more severe more cruel with each subsequent victim. He's a maniac. He's able to alleviate any guilt he might feel evil shit. He's doomed by telling him. He's not randomly torturing and killing strangers because he gets his twisted descartes. No no no no. He's doing important work. He's a pioneer. He's ahead of his time someday. People will look back rebels groundbreaking experiments and how much bleach you can shoot into. Someone's veins before they die. Or how much cock have to inject and someone's ears to defend them the way that some people look back at like Leonardo Davinci's anatomy sketches now. I wonder if he daydreams about giving lectures at some art school. Someday right being that professor. He wanted to be teaching kids from some text book that he wrote our class Welcome to Living Art. Four zero five blood pain and beauty. Please open your books to Chapter. One Nipple clamp electrocution tolerant. Did you know that the average human being can be subjected to fifty MIL amps of current for up to twenty one Twenty one minerals in a twelve hour period not suffering lasting physical damage. That's true I know that for a fact because I was the only man willing to put in that kind of work to find out so you can thank me in advance for not killing any of your art project subjects by Nipple Electrocution enough lecturing. Go grab clamps your car batteries and get out there and create. Make memorable art by any means necessary Three months after killing his third victim. Mark Wallace Bob receives a call from his fourth victim. Twenty year old man named Walter James Ferris who had recently been a house guest of his. So this guy had known him. James was hoping to crash at his place again for a short period of time. Which of course Baba's super and do he's not. How would he ever be caught if his victims just kept offering themselves up to him? I agreed to meet at a bar. Have a few drinks before Walter. Move back in Once they were back in the privacy of Bob's House Bob Drug already tipsy man with tranquilizers tied to his bed. Here we go again. Fares will be tortured for twenty seven hours. Straight Barbara liked the results. He got using electricity during his last torture session. So He's subjected Ferris seventy seven hundred volts clamped clips on both his shoulders and his testicles. Ishaq would last as long as five minutes so extreme. I feel like former suck subject and depraved killer extreme sadomasochist Albert Fish. A dude who loved to hurt and really hurt others love to be hurt and hurt others. I feel like even he would think this was way too far. Jeepers creepers Bob. I like to let that freak. Flag fly like pop and hot peanut butter fat bottomed more than most guys. But this you're GonNa bore that apple CIDER. This is not showbiz. Don't what I didn't think was possible. Boy You've soured my stomach or so myself out ED. Kemper mighty killed this guy for being sued. Cystic you've gone through four Bob. That's coming from a Muslim pipe. Put her head on a stick or these big. Deal this big deal. This even scare shuttle cheadle. -Til not even demon haunted. Bob Czar. It's he also seem to like the hypodermic needle. Method of torture decided to ram several of them into his neck and genitals every time he did so he would make a note in his journal and I guess now. Be a good place to read the expert. An excerpt of notes found from Bob's torturing of Ferris it's printed song guessing it comes from court documents where someone had to transcribe all of his fucked up notes. This is the only stuff I could find from this. But this gives you a very good glimpse into the horrors. That happened says just little notes. Little one line seven thirty. Pm Bar all right. So that's when they met the bar nine. Pm Out Guessing. This was when fares is unconscious. Nine five shoes and socks off move arms snoring. No Response Right. So he's out cold Tested making sure. He's out cold nine ten test needle. No Reaction Nine. Twenty photo close off. No reaction. Nine forty turned over slight our movement nine fifty F. Ing F no reaction finger sex one and one half CC. Ketamine arm no reaction Front F. No reaction ten fifteen bs. No Reaction Anal Sex ten thirty tied arms ten fifty two eleven. Pm `carrot F slight resist one and one half C. C. C. P. N. K. Eleven to CCC P Vein Eleven. Thirty to eleven forty five bef cub f slight reaction regarding gag midnight fighting documents says that the note continued for two pages anyway to entries. Eleven forty five very delayed breathing. Snoring midnight eighty six. Yeesh dudes knocked out by nine PM. Fifty minutes later Bob is sticking a finger in his ass twenty five minutes after that. He's being sodomized just over a half hour later. He's having a carrot shoved in his ass. What does this fucking dude deal with vegetables being shoved up people's butts by the way these snack on these veggie later another half hour later. He's been sodomized again. Then he's being cub fucked Not sure how that differs from sodomy. I know cub is sometimes used a sexual term by gay men as in the the bear is the top and then the cub is the bottom. I did verify that with some images and okay now now my thing all right than fifty minutes later a fighting. I'm guessing that means it fairs came you know came to enough to fight back and this is the kind of stuff going on for twenty seven hours plus electrocutions plus needles to the test scores and God knows what else man we know we. We know Lusa Phoenix get kinky but this is not kink man this is. This is evil. Bob's extreme sadism eventually push his latest victim. You know Beyond he can handle eventually uses to much sedative which causes respiratory failure and Ferris dice. Badilla makes a note in his diary that this was the end of another project. That's a quote the end of another project. He's a he's a visionary. He's a medical researcher. He's an artist. Once again he takes the body to the bathroom skillfully. Dissect the corpse piece by piece bags. The pieces leaves them in the trash bin. Once again it gets away with it. He's tortured and killed four men. Now he's not on anyone's criminal radar not really not a primary suspect. He wouldn't find his next victim for nine months. Hit a few more borders. He didn't kill during that time. He apparently tried to concert and living somewhat normal life. But he knew he wasn't gonNA be able to keep it together for long. He just loved torture. Too much. Couldn't wait for good opportunity to get away with it again. And then on June Seventeenth Nineteen ninety-six that opportunity presented itself Baba capture. Another victim and Holy Shit with this guy lived through hell. That makes everything we've talked about so far Pale. In comparison the man's name was todd. Stoops a male prostitute Imbaba known since nineteen eighty-four allegedly stoops. Apparently was already pretty sure that Bob was a dangerous murderer but decided to go to Bob Murder House anyway. Real bad decision like the worst Was very physically. Attracted to stoops and recalled his attractiveness made the torture. That much more intimate. That was more enjoyable. Todd will be the first victim to survive more than a few days. He will be held and he would suffer for for two weeks before succumbing to death and once again bob turned up his merciless. Bob wanted to ramp up a psychological and physical torture. He didn't drug todd heavily as he did with previous victims because he wanted to. He wanted to feel the fear and pain more. He repeatedly tried to blind him by electrocuting. His fucking eyeballs. He starved him and for several days. Didn't even give him a glass of water. Most of the picks online regarding Bob's crimes are todd and his stunning to see how much we lost over his weeks and hell after failing to blind him on one occasion. Bob decided to inject into his larynx. Believing it would damage it and leave him mute. It didn't work but it apparently create an unrelenting amount of pain. He would also rape and assault todd just constantly for two weeks multiple times a day every day towards the end. Todd's life Bob Pushes his. This is rough. This is very very rough. Bob PUSHES HIS FIST. And forearm into todd's rectum and ruptures it severely in it doesn't kill him right away. It does cause an infection and he'll die of septic shock. All of this was again. Documented is torture diary and growing polaroid collection. Would eventually right contain over three hundred fifty photos. Poor todd suits eventually grew so weak with fever blood loss and sickness that he could barely breathe in the early morning hours of life. I nine hundred eighty six. He died June of eighty six. Approximately the seventeenth to the thirtieth Brunell. Said Todd died because at one point I fist fucked him. Rupturing the wall and between the loss of blood infection set and he died of not getting proper treatment. Ya Body would the same fate as the other sliced and diced and bagged and discarded unreal. That it may be the biggest piece of shit. We've talked about so far in time. Suck like he might be the worst you might be worse than. Joseph Duncan the toy. Box Killer or sombody Dahmer. At least in the sense of how much pain he inflicted upon his victims. I mean it's like he was just trying to set the world record on how much pain you can put somebody through before you kill him. No mercy whatsoever. This motherfucker like literally. Nothing he wasn't willing to do to someone once he had him tied up. He talked Later about hating how the Kansas City of media would portray him as a monster after he was captured. How they tried to dehumanize him he humanizes victims dude if della was not a monster. Monster is Brielle recalled. Feeling accomplished over what you've done to todd. He'd accomplished more than he'd expected to felt invincible. He thought he was making some kind of you. Know artistic and scientific progress stoops desperate other would wait another year before finding his next victim. He said later that the lack of torture between victims quote really bummed him out. Man Really bummed him out super. Depress you not to be able to electrocute someone nuts or shut things up their ass Bob. How's business at the Bizarre Bizarre Trying to guess came up. I don't know there's a little down I guess. But what's wrong buddy nine when you one understand? I don't know I might surprise you bob. What's what's up buddy. Well just I just really must have in my my hand and a guy's ass okay. Well Yeah you know people some people like that. I mean I'm sure you can find you know some some some guy who's into that none of the way I get I get in there to the elbow only gonNA be tied up we're GONNA have. They're not shocked. You know gotta be somebody. I'M GONNA Kilimanjaro. Bob What the fuck bother. Fuck away from you Weirdo. I knew you wouldn't understand no knows on I'M C. Bob Desperately wanted to kill a game. They wanted to humiliate and heart. He did that again. In the summer of Nineteen ninety-seven Previla six known victim was Larry Pearson. Larry Admit Baba's bizarre bizarre that spring where he immediately interested in the nature of Bob's inventory. Larry was also a collector of esoteric objects and a practitioner of witchcraft lover of the cult. Reportedly Bob saw a younger version of himself. In this young man a friendship began between the two mentorship. And Soon Bob allowed Larry to live with him in his home Pearson performed different chores around the house in exchange for rent everything seemed Pretty Hunky. Dory pretty comfortable. Apparently a BOB initially had zero plants to kill. Larry and then things changed on June twenty third and nine hundred eighty seven thirty eight year old. Bob Cited to bail out his young twenty year. Old Friend. Bill him out of jail for committing an undisclosed crime as the to return to Bob's house. Apparently Larry made a joke about robbing gay men. In Wichita I'm guessing that's what his crime revolved around. And Bob found the joke distasteful. This joke in the tone with which Larry told offended Bob greatly and the monster inside him was again awakened and Larry Pearson was as good as dead. I always find it so ridiculous when serial killers cast judgement like this when they get offended. This motherfucker loves nothing. More than torturing or killing people who've done nothing to him you know and and and then he's outraged that Larry makes a homophobic joke. Somehow he does make artists a medical visionary but Larry Does just makes him a piece of shit who deserves death. What what an interesting inconvenient reality to live in I mean. We all live in our own little realities. We all think of ourselves as now at least slightly different than those around us. Think of us as a thought that can really send you to a never ending self reflective spiral by the way I. I think Bob's estimate of who he was different much more different significantly than what most people around him thought of him. Especially after he was caught a rebel. Wait until that evening. To make his move he filed a filed. A young man or you'll give him drinks gave a bunch of drinks in one strong. He injected him with again with Clark promising dragged him to the most fucked up basement in Kansas City timely. I hope it was. Casey's most fucked abasement the time. What if it was actually only? Kansas City's most seventh most fucked basement. Everything was stuff like that. All the people who don't get caught for whatever they're doing like one of six other dudes were somehow doing even worse shit at the time in Kansas City. Even if that's possible like I don't even know what they would be doing. And I don't WanNa know by BOB ties Larry's hands up above his head. Secures a rope to a column then. He pulls out a syringe filled with his trusty drain. Cleaner injected into lyrics of his victim to try and render. The man mute again then came the electricity electric shock torture now. A staple of his routine terror was the name of Bob's game Appear would initially play it. He tried desperately to get promoted to let him go. He begged for mercy. Begged to be. Let go when that didn't work. He he he tried to cooperate and allowed Bob to take sexual advantage of him taking extensive physical abuse complaint. This mess with Bob's mind. He continued to document a torture went. As far as breaking Larry's right hand to keep them under control but he didn't torture them as badly as he tortured previous victims. Not for a while. He didn't blind colon on the fifth day. Bob decided to take his much more willing victim. Much more cooperative victim out from the basement and up to his bedroom. According to Bob he'd started to feel appreciation for Pearson's collaboration Bob. You know You know was tortured him now. He definitely was already but not as badly use the threat of taking him. Back to the basement to keep Larry submissive and Larry suffering last for six weeks. All this cooperation did was really drag it out. Holy Shit. Six tear filled weeks of daily sexual assaults with Bob taking notes record every single thing he did to Larry as well as the effects of his actions he added to his collections. Of Polaroid's graphic pictures of the man Mo showing. His face contorted in agony. Is Mouth hanging open as he gassed pain? Larry did everything he could stay. Alive tried not to anger. Bob Tried not to scream too much too loudly. While he's been brutalized and raped. He continued to plead to be. Let go and after six weeks. He seemed to have finally realized that Bob was Never GonNa let him go and he finally fought back. On August. Fifth after six weeks of agonizing violence and unimaginable sexual assaults. He tried to Bite Bob Dick off seriously by would later say while performing oral sex on me. He tried to bite my penis. We didn't he didn't just try. Bob Did by your Penis Bob even later later report this to the police unbelievably report an assault saying that a person named Larry Pearson indeed bit his penis and caused a serious laceration. He would have to go to the hospital get multiple stitches before he did that. He killed Larry. He savagely bludgeoned him immediately after being bit until he was knocked unconscious hidden with a tree branch. I don't know why that was in the house. I'm sure it was being used something horrible. Then he put a bag over the young dudes head suffocated him after he got his dick stitched up he took the corpse of his sixth victim to the dreaded basement where he was dissecting remove the head set it aside once it was done disposing of the body went the backyard. Dug Up Robert Sheldon's coal and replaced it now with Larry's so weird to me this little detail. These guys will one skull quota for the backyard to too much time on my fucking MANIAC PUT. Two schools in my backyard is is. We won one of the House. One of the art he takes Roberts goal inside. Cleans it removes all the teeth. Then he would put the teeth in a series of envelopes and place them in multiple multiple locations around the living room. All the skull itself was placed inside a closet as a souvenir. What the fuck so specific. What is his reasoning for this man for would like to have Bob Sheldon with Meena every part of the living room but I don't a bus his skull up onto do what to do a real pickle. Come on think. Think about think like wait. Wait wait wait what what I got? What if I told her teeth out and I can put a tooth every part of the room? No all get? They'll get lost. Oh we now know someone. Yeah some of them. That's the wrong question. What if novel ups Yes? I did little envelopes full of teeth all around the room. That is what I need to do. God's nuts and I'm sure I'm sure he saw this little envelope to situation is some kind of art installation in his mind. He's a professional torture now. His methods have been refined and improved since he's taken his first captive. He learned that his Psychological tactics were just as effective as you know. Creating pain and fear is physical torture methods. He also found a new person to blame for these for these crimes now. He starts to blame the police in his demented mind. With twisted logic he decided to his crimes are now the fault of local law enforcement for not catch him. It's not his fault their fault. If they were better at their jobs is poor victims would still be alive. He held onto this after he was captured. Talked about it in that prisoner of us. Well I just picture holding sheldon toothless skull complaining about the police so sorry sheldon so sorry. Police did this to you. Those fuckers would have just done their job and caught me. You know after Jerry. You'd be fine. I wouldn't be at all the money. I ended up spending on electrical shock equipment and the three other transform bondage gear and the cages and the cucumbers and carrots. You know I mean really. We're both victims. Damn you cops. Speaking of the authorities Bob was following their investigations closely. Time by this time. Local law enforcement were looking more closely. Bob a number of his victims disappearances but still not super seriously he cut clippings from a local newspaper detailing the case of the missing Jerry how found it laughable that despite the fact he'd been questions a prime suspect not long after the disappearances of Holland Fares. He been placed under surveillance for a little while he found it laughable. Local police still haven't been able to pin anything on him and then when the police did start to look a little too closely that in for a little too long and question him again. He hired a lawyer to threaten filing a harassment accusations against the police and the police backed off. I worked now. He feels truly invincible. He starts to again. You know thinks that he can go on killing forever soon. He's going to have a whole house full of skulls. He's have teeth and every rope. That'd be piled on envelope Sony teeth despite feeling invincible. He still knows he can't kill whoever win every SP patient wait for the right opportunity and it takes almost a year for another opportunity to present self march twenty nine nine hundred eighty eight thirty nine year old. Bob Redel picks up a twenty two year old male prostitute named Chris Bryson. That's Chris described in many sources. Chris would later say himself documentary that he was drug dealer. Anyway picks him up at a Greyhound bus station downtown. Kansas City bryson approaches. Bob's Car Bob knew right away he was gonna be the next victim. Bobby already decided. He wanted to do with Bryson before he made it to the car. They talk for a bit Bob Propositions used either for sex for drugs a BRYSON. Happy to hear the Padilla's taking him to a house and he gets into the car when they arrive at the murder house. Bob Sits the young man down in the living room and talk with them. You know trying to get to know him as he decides if he's GonNa use a carrot or a cucumber or celery stick and his ass late or whatever rebel tells Chris that has chow chows live on the lower level house can be kind of vicious and he says upstairs you know. He's he's got a nice room with television comfortable furniture. So why don't we hit up there? Chris Agrees Start. Walking upstairs walking in front of Bob. Bob Grabs an iron bar. He had hidden smashes him in the back of the head and knocked him out. Bob Then sedates him sticks him with the needle give him some tranquillisers drags into the bedroom where he binds Chris to the bed and Chris Wakes up like all the men before him he is naked and helpless and Bob a standing over him with his polaroid. Cameron is big fucking creepy. Smile telling him what he's going to do to him. As I stated with each new victim Bob tried to take his torture further. He wanted them to live longer and endure more pain before they died. Last guy made it six weeks. He had very ambitious plans for Chris by bryson. He begins by fitting the dog collar under his neck. Continuously Beats Him with an iron club. He's trying to break bones in his hands and legs injection with animal. Tranquilizer will also this time giving him antibiotics. He wanted to hurt him but again keep him alive as long as possible so we can endure the most punishment any victim had endured so far. You know. He takes more polaroid pictures than ever documenting Chris. Agony with gleeful satisfaction for Del tells him at one point. The only things you need to think about. Are you me and this House on the night? The physical beatings end with a long brutal rape session that includes various objects that are not Described as far as exactly what they are being shoved into his ass guessing a lot of vegetables and then he says you do not choose to be here but you are for you being here and for you to you know make it could either be rough or it could be easy if I grow to like you and to trust you then I could do special things for you. Buy You cigarettes. Pick up a movie on the way home from work and so forth. Don't try to fight me or you'll just get more of what you had earlier. You see what you've got is nothing compared to what you can have. And then he said I've gotten this far with other people before and they're dead now because of mistakes. They made fucking psychopath. Next morning continues. You know To wake Chris Upper immediately jabs him in the eyes with swabs soaked with alcohol. He has a Monja. The intentional blinding him. Continues to rape him The young man calls out for help injects drain into his throat to again to try and destroy his voice box. He warns him against any escape. Attempts tells me about the game too many other men who had already You know Been Tortured and killed tells them that that he had fed them to his menas. Chow Chow Dogs. Then he gets out the clamps and electrocute him he puts alligator clamps on every sensitive place on the body. You can think of after a few days of torture. Chris begins to attempt to manipulate della. He gets comfortable enough. You know or you know. I guess with torture. I don't know how the fuck he does this but to To try and act like okay. This bad maybe I kinda like it. Bob believes it enough to Give him some kind perks explains that he had held others in the same way as Chris and then if he was good you know there would be chance he would live Do some part of him one all of this to end with this Guy Fall in love with him was he still trying to be like Frederick leg collector. Maybe by the end of the third day Chris had earned bit above trust and Bob agreed to loosen the binds. His arms ties him in the front instead of his head. He allows him to now watch. Tv even hold the remote control. He gives him cigarettes patches. Chris continues to build trust with them and then he starts to try and figure out how he's going to try and escape. He knew after viewing the pictures of the dead men before him. There was no hope for mercy. There's no way this guy was going to let him you know Remain Alive after all. This bryson starts to watch bobbly closely starts to make mental notes. Keep track of his movements in between torture sessions with the TV mode. He could you know lower the volume and here whereas Capterra is and what he's doing around the house in on April second nine hundred ninety eight when Chris. Here's Bob leave to go run some errands. He knows it's time to try and escape the ropes that abound him in loosened up enough that he was able to get one of his hands. Free he stretches across the bed grabs the matches Bob given him for the you know the cigarettes anxiously lights matchy hits the rope to burn and is able to You know burn the rope. You know enough that he can break it in free himself. He knows that every second matters and Bob returns and be relentlessly tortured to death. No pressure can imagine all this shit happening real life With some of the ropes still dangling from his wrists and ankles but he's not tied to the bed anymore he's able to stand up. Looks reportedly secured second floor window. There's no bars. No nails keeping his shut. Because Bob never thought it would make it this far bob never thought it will never free themselves from their bonds rather than running downstairs and risk being attacked by the dogs or running into Bob he decides to smash through the window. He just leaps the fuck out of the house just runs and jumps through. The window breaks a bone in his foot as he land in the yard. He knows much worse. Pain is coming his way lingers in hobbles naked wearing a dog collar very bloody restraints dangling from his wrists and ankles across the street to a neighbor's house. Holy Shit. Can you imagine seeing that site? What would you do if you saw this guy if you saw naked man? Bruises Burn marks clearly terrified bloody wearing a dog collar and jump through a second story window. All banged up hobbling across the street. Would that not be one of the most memorable things you've ever seen your entire life. Christie's a man reading a meter men. Here's Chris Screaming to call the police. The meter readers sides leave the problem to someone else. He's alert the nearest neighbor. And bails this dude calls the police but doesn't allow Bryson who home due to the fact that he's covered in blood naked except for wearing a dog collar. And I gotta say I fucking no blame him right. He didn't know the back story Vol he knew. This dude is a method or cracked out. You know he's out of fucking mind for all. He knows that this guy is seriously mentally ill and very dangerous. I mean if I'm home with the kids and some dude covered in blood when a dog collar starts banging on the door but naked. Call me crazy. I am not going to immediately. Let Him I'm GonNa have a few fucking questions. I'm going to call the police right away. I'M GONNA keep an eye out for anybody coming after him with a gun or a knife or something and I'm going to watch out for him. Knocking invite him to sit on. The couch never glass war. Not right away. The police arrive quickly. Luckily four officers questioned him. Chris tells him how Dell had sodomised tortured him for four days told him about being injected with the drain cleaner how we been drug during the entire ordeal. He scars swollen is the dog. Collar gives the story credibility the officers quick to get him to hospital and they take action on Knbr della when Bob Returns for money and his errand he's immediately arrested on charges of sexual assault hail fucking Nimrod Rice and interviewed by the Kansas City. Police Department twice more tells them about the polaroid pictures every detail he can recall based on. Bryson's claims what the officer saw And then You know the they're going to search rebellious house. Padilla of course refuses officers entry initially but they quickly obtain a search warrant with the Warrenton hand. They Search Bob's murder house. That same day. Bryson told him he was on the second floor. That's where they had. I immediately noticed the burnt ropes. Still attached the bed frame. An electrical transformer plugged into the wall with wires and clips leading to the fucking bed. There's a metal trainer by the contains used syringes small bottles of sedatives swabs eyedrops drain. Oh bleach that kind of stuff. There's an iron pipe with some blood. On a number of objects used for bondage. There was also a number assigned to Kris. Bryant was only one of several victims law enforcement knew what they were in for. Now the new is going to be very disturbing investigation while some police officers inside others made grid of the yard searched the outside. Start digging around. They Find Larry Pearson's decomposing head in the backyard. Another fines Robert Sheldon's skull on the second floor. They find several human vertebrae marked with knife cuts in hallway random. They find of course the envelopes containing the teeth and so much more. Apparently Barilla's home was littered with a hoarder level of clutter. Auditees dog feces. You imagine being a law enforcement officer in that situation. The smell was off the charts. People are gagging doing their best and not vomit. Then they find the basement officer searching the basement. Come across a number of Bob's most disturbing tools defined hacksaw miter saw they find a fucking chainsaw. Still dirty with blood flesh and this is especially horrific pubic hair. On the chain of the chainsaw. Yeah they also find a cold literature ritual robes. That led to rumors of bobby and part of that larger satanic ring of came across his documentation hid under mattress. The in a bag. They find detailed torture logs. A total of three hundred and fifty seven polaroid photographs of his victims in various positions of torture outside of the mutilated bodies covered with Bob's DNA. They couldn't found more damning evidence. They also find you know ferris his wallet and driver's License Casey. Pd Go to work looking to butcher. Bob's notes and Polaroid's both Ferris and Jerry Hall where identified by family members as men both You know living and dead in some of the pictures. These poor people having to look at those photos having to identify their child or brother in that way the police track down many names and Bobby Journal eventually come across a man named Freddy Kellogg. Who helped convict? Bob Kellogg had been a close acquaintance of Bob's and after being questioned instantly became a key witness. He admitted that he'd been present and had assisted. Brielle drugging other young men. Bob's house so that Bob could rape them by Lou earlier. There were more victims. Maybe not more murder victims but he definitely drug many other men who knows how many Freddie said that he was tasked by Bob find attractive males for their parties. Kellogg identified three of the men. And the Polaroid's is todd stoops Robert Sheldon Larry Pearson Freddie had crashed with Bob off and on for over five years Freddie was unknown date rapist. Who loved to drug young dudes and have his way with them? Starting up. Freddie Bob Known Drape Day rapist. Detective Benny White was now assigned to dig further on. Bob pull up every police report that mentioned and there were many Bob once called the police after someone tried to burglarize his house again after a Molotov cocktail was tossed at his front door. I'm guessing thrown by some guy understandably. Furious Dibaba raped him. Baba's one-sided for disturbing the peace he'd received numerous summonses for violating dog ordinances. Someone had also tried to steal jewelry from once. I love how quick to call the police and also blames them for his crimes. There was a report that wants been punched by Paul. How Junior Jerry's dead good? No police got the hit that sleazy fucking his face. One time Bob had been stopped. Wants it eleventh and Main Street? In the company of todd stoops known male prostitutes. And the police report again. In nine hundred. Eighty seven della made that assault report from hospital room. After a man he said is named was Larry Pearson which was the news real name bidding on his penis performing oral sex causing serious laceration. The report said we're della didn't want to prosecute which led law enforcement to wonder. Why would he call the police to make such an embarrassing report? If you didn't want prosecute because he was fucking killing that guy on April fourth one thousand nine hundred eight two days after Kris Bryson escaped and Bob was arrested. Authorities had an overwhelming amount of evidence to charge per della on seven counts. Outta me one count of felonious restraint and one count of first degree assault. More charges would come. These initial charges will just give them enough. Time to gather more evidence and lock Bob up after closer scrutiny of the photographs it was discovered that six of the twenty three man identified. Were homicide victims the other people that pictures read through there voluntarily perhaps Maybe participated in Sado masochistic activities or they've been raped but not murdered. Brielle was taken to Jackson County. Jail where you wait his fate. He was kept in a private area for safety from prisoners. Bummer He was allowed to have several visitors in his family. And a few friends did indeed visit him after reading the initial press accounts of what a disgusting fucking monster was. He refused to talk to anyone in the media despite being a seriously demented creep he had made a lot of friends in the KC area and many had a hard time initially believing commit such crimes the media was talking about someone as far as theorized into police were framing. Bob You know he was a civic role model. Not a psycho killer. His support group initially was actually pretty strong. But you know more and more evidence came forward. Eventually the truth came out and no one will be left standing by his side on July twenty third less than four months after being arrested. Bob Admitted to the murder of Larry. Pearson was quick to plead guilty. Some say the Casey PD intimidated him with harsh tactics while in jail Based on what we know about him. I hope that happened but I don't think it did happen. I would love to think. They beat a confession out of him. the court was surprised by the ease of the confession asked if he would confess under oath he did without hesitation. He told the court he had placed a plastic bag over Pearson's head and suffocated him with the rope. Did you perform this act intentionally? The judge asked him yes he answered and with that answer. Bob knew he would never walk. The Earth again is a freeman. Some have speculated. This confession was rubber villas last active control. He was GONNA be the one to decide how this was going to go. How this is going to play out in some small way. He wanted to control how this was moving along in August. Bob was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility parole for the first degree murder of Larry Pearson. He would plead guilty again. The next month and a hearing pertaining to the charges of four sodomy against Chris Bryson earning him another lifetime without parole despite his initial two guilty pleas in September he pled not guilty to the five remaining murder charges something. He pled guilty because he was very worried about the death penalty which he knew prosecutors prosecutors wanted for him his attorney requested plea bargain. He pled. He'd be plead guilty to the other. Five murders if and only if the death penalty would be taken off the table. The man who is so comfortable killing others while they were trapped was now terrified that he would die or be killed I guess while in captivity in December of eighty eight September nineteenth. Bob Got the plea bargain he wanted. He gave full. Confessions to five additional killings in exchange for not being put on death row the families of his victims understandably not happy. Bob Pled guilty to one more count of first degree murder into an additional four counts of second degree murder. He was also convicted on charges of torture. Murder Rape Kidnapping and more. He was sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson County Missouri. Also as part of his plea deal. He was given the opportunity to explain why he did what he did. And I think part of this not thought that if people just understood his reasoning they wouldn't think he was such a bad guy they wouldn't think he was a monster they understand they get him in a gruesome recounting. He told the court how he had used captivates play toys to say his desires for three full days. He told his story to the court took over. Seven hundred pages transcribe the details of his perversions. Cruelty made for a very uncomfortable courtroom. He also told them how the film that collector had initially inspired him and how he used control of these men to feel powerful he also decoded his journal to the court. Much of it was filled with abbreviations and unintelligible descriptions. But they would learn that some of it meant. He had violated his victims with vegetables. Injected them with chemicals filled their ears with cock amongst numerous other horrifying acts. Because of all the Colt materials Zimbabwe's possession pluses a colt loving friends. And even the ritual Listrik methodical way. He went about his crimes. There was. They mentioned several times already. Attempts by various media organizations to try to connect the crimes of Della to the idea of a national underground satanic group five hundred and fifty people would be interviewed They had some kind of relationship with him at no point. Was there any indication that his crimes were connected to a satanic ritual or group January thirty first ninety eighty nine bobadilla celebrated his fortieth birthday in prison after over eighteen months behind bars? He still refused to see himself as a monster in his eyes. He was a good person. Who'd made a couple of terrible choices? He set up a trust fund. A fifty thousand dollars for his victims families For some reason they still didn't think he was super fucking cool The family saw the summers laughable as compensation for the torture and murder of their loved ones continued to view. Him is a total monster. He complained about the conditions of his treatment. In prison told reporter. He's been attacked numerous times. He'd been denied access to heart medication by prison officials and then three years later in October Eighth Nineteen Ninety two at two PM. Forty-three year-old Bobadilla complained of chest pain. He was given assistance at the Missouri. State Penitentiary Infirmary were medical staff. Then determined he needed to be taken to a hospital. An ambulance was sent from a nearby hospital in Columbia. So Sad Man It was too late at three fifty five. Pm The forty three year old Robert Burrell died of a heart attack in prison. Same thing that he killed his dad he actually live four years longer than his dad did shortly before he died. He'd written a letter to his minister in prison. No claiming that prison officials are complaining about prison officials refusing to give him his heart. Medication Pam. Bummer. That no one took that complaint. Seriously how enforcement for poor Bob? There is rumor that the judges trial Elfin. Randall was asked what he thought about. Brielle's death and he responded extremely sarcastically. With couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. And that takes us out of one of the most brutal timelines we've ever marched down here on time. Suck good job soldier. You've made it back in your piece of Shit. Robert Della the Kansas City. Butcher the collector. I'd heard him for years a friend of mine. Kansas City's Johnny Dare Rock morning. Show host Legend Fellow. True crime enthusiasts. Been telling me for at least two years man. You gotTA check out Bob. You GotTa Look Bobadilla Bob's Bizarre Bizarre Stories. Fucking crazy Johnny you're right dear. God Oh the six victims Robert killed. Only two heads and tiny pieces of other victims would ever be found. The bodies continue. Delay the pieces of them riding in a landfill somewhere. Missouri families never got to have that kind of closure Part of me's bummed Brasilia's life ended as soon as it did. Bummy couldn't have been looked upon with disgust for decades decades. Spent sitting in a small cell ruminating on his dumb gross. Waste of a life right up until the bitter end. Baba reportedly expressed no remorse for his actions only regret over tarnishing his public image and reputation. Only sadness that people saw him as a monster. He admitted that what he did was wrong but he also somehow continued to feel like a victim of his own crimes. Right the police. They should have caught him their fault. If only he'd been punished early on almost all of this could have been avoided. If a seven seven victim hadn't wristed all to escape. Who knows how many other crimes he would have committed? How many other crimes you could have blamed on the police. How many more young men would have died? In Bob's house of torture and murder what new experiments he would have attempted. How long would able to keep some of them alive? Nineteen sixty five and awkward unpopular. Sixteen year old kid watched collector and then in the eighties. That kid turned into a fucking monster. A thirty something sexual status and sociopath who made that films bad guy. Frederick Clegg look like an angel time now for today's top five takeaways time away number one Robert rebel. The Kansas City butcher killed six young men in some of the most brutal ways imaginable electric shocks to the balls syringes of drain cleaner to the neck. And is an anal rupture number two. When Bob was done murdering you got his butcher nickname. From carving up. Their bodies is the basement or a bathtub then. He threw the remains an empty dog food bags and put those garbage bags and they just let the garbage collectors take his crimes away number three. I wonder how many was old pen pals found out about what he did man poor bow win or would he think number four of Chris. Bryson didn't jump from a second story window to escape. Who knows how long productive continued raping torturing and murdering he be seventy one right now still young enough to probably hook some clamps up to a drug dudes nipples grab a cucumber for the from the fridge and just get to work number five new Info a number of other serial killers that were active at the same time as della or sorry. Were active at the same time. As per della. Jeffrey Dahmer was one and imagine one of those dudes kidnapping the other one. Dahmer Getting Ready to drill a hole in Bob's head. Try and turn it into a sex abby and Bob just laying there going. Oh drill. Wow how row creative some kind of artist you are want an amateur is GonNa kill me immediately. Don't you have any vegetables dog collar electrical transformer? You're no medical experimentation visionary. Geoffrey another circuit was Bobby Joe. Long for three years. Long operatives the so-called classified ad rapist before graduating from sewer rapist. A serial killer much like the golden state killer did a bobby would kill nine people and just eight months Bobbie. Joe Long pled guilty to killing eight women in Tampa Florida. A nineteen eighty-four executed by lethal injection about a year ago in May of two thousand nineteen a retired colonel. Gary Terry one of the lead investigators for the Hillsborough County. Sheriff's Office Gary Terry or his fucking Paris thinking said in an interview. No deserves to die like these women died like rebel along later confessed that he does drive sadistic pleasure from the abduction rape and brutal murderers victims. Some of whom he strangled to death also like Jello. It was one of his victims. That would bring him down. Unlike Boudellaa long inexplicably chose to let this victim go let her go and then she ran right to authorities and authorities came right back to him. Bobbie Joe Long was also reportedly distant cousin of Henry. Lucas Co star of time suck episode one fifty six. Maybe Bobby Joe should be one of our next. True Crime Sucks when we're ready for more horror time. Take away the Kansas City Butcher. The collector sucked another dark chapter in. Time Sucks Book. True Crime Man. What horrible lives some people have chosen to live Omar Fac big things? The Time Suck Team Queen of the Stock Lindsey comments high priest the suck harmony village camp. Reverend Dr Joe Horseback Johnson Paisley. The bills are designed crew. Logan and Kate Spicy Cleburne bad magic merge dot com in the script keeper. Zach flannery Scraper Jackson you're also running the board today in today's show so Thank you ZAC for that learning. So so so. Joe Can take. Bakke from time to time Also thanks all. Is the colts helping kick ass. Liz Hernandez run the cult of the curious private facebook group. Thank you Liz. And get in there. If you haven't already getting never been a better time with everything going on to jump in there get some socialization. You can also join discord time. Suck APP get all kinds of extra socialization as you sit cooped up at home links to both in the episode description next week? We go historical once again. The spaces voted in the US civil war. We'll go over some basics next week. The Shit we learned in fifth grade but probably forgotten. Will debunk several myths. About why the civil war started hint. It was mostly over slavery. Not States rights will include a mini time line and the history of African slavery looks some transatlantic slavery facts give an overview and all the major events that led up to the war and then go into a big old time line on the ward self. Talk about a lot of battles so history. Dude get those history. Boehner's handy history ladies get those history nipples heart analysis Mosey on over to this week's time sucker updates got some really funny today coming in about last week's sex suck. I'm very excited. I AP concerned an awesome sucker. Andrew is worried about some some furry fury coming my way. Andrew writes greeting suck massacre whisker horn and the stable hands in suck dungeon. A hope. You don't get too much hate from the free community because they can be vocal at times especially when it gets to find justice sex kink. I'd like to help. Define the term a bit more than just kink at its heart is having an attachment to anthropomorphic animals. This can be anything from a join movies. Legs Utopia to get in touch with totemic spirit animals. Some people might like dressing up and cartoony animal costumes while others will draw art about humanoid wolves. They're those to connect more with one animal or another and adopt A. 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I didn't really explicitly state that This reminds me of message. I got a few weeks ago. From a self described anarchist. Who was upset that I portray anarchists as people who didn't WanNa live in a land of laws because he and his anarchy friends didn't define anarchy in that particular way. This is one of the reasons that relationships can be so challenges. It's just between you know meet sacks general even when we're speaking the same language words don't always mean the same thing to different people. Even when the dictionary doesn't agree with some of those definitions right some people hold onto them very strongly language changing and evolving all the time And we'LL WORDS. New Term is new other tends to be the most discord over what is true meaning. Is You know a perfect example was furry to some Beena Furry mostly sexual to others not sexual at all Certainly doesn't have to be for some Pony. Play not sexual. 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There's no part of me that's ever going to be like I I get it. Sure your cat. Yeah fine because that's just not true Thank you for adding to the dialog died not too much free hate so far kind of like it. If there is to be honest I mean because I'm a sick person. I think it was hilarious. I have no hatred for freeze. I think they're fucking Weirdos but I also think that I'm a Weirdo Weirdos. I like to keep the world interesting. And the keener taint. He'll nimrod dude. I appreciate the message now for message. The crack me up so hard one of the funniest messages. I feel like I've ever gotten hilarious time just because picturing what happened here hilarious time sucker Tyler Boyd. Sin Gets Cummins laud heart the rights. Good Day suck nasty longtime sucker. I always wanted to write him but never took the time with the hectic schedule but feel like this was a time. I will preface my story. This is the third time. I've been coming flawed. I work in a job where I'm constantly in and out of my truck and it is not unusual deposit episode. Jump Out of the truck leaving the door open do my job hop back in the truck continually episode while I drive to the next location on this particular day. I pull up to the location paused. The sex suck episode of the part where you go off talking about a rescue mission to get a fist and Selma's ass. Well well out of my truck another worker from a different company. I forgot what's difficulty in other words with different company happens to walk over and start a conversation with me about God knows what at this point because two cents into this conversation my phone rings one damn time and for some God forsaken spam number and then hangs up and that causes the episode to start playing again a truck now at Full Max volume. You're yelling we got a lot of Loeb. Everyone's fingers are trimmed. We're GONNA get this in your ass at this time. I posited my tracks make eye contact with the guy who had abruptly stopped talking. He stared at me with pure fear on his face. I try to start to explain what's going on when he quickly says well. Hope you have a great day and then scurries off like an eleven year old boy. Who's been caught in the magazine looking at his first playboy. I'm left standing in the desert. No Way to explain myself in. A sense of hopelessness comes over me. No one I will have to encounter this man again soon and he will surely be staring at me with uncertainty and angst sorry for the long email behove. Laugh at Gabon. Sucking Tyler Goodson. Oh my God tyler. I laughed so hard I read this. I literally had tears coming up. Is You paint. Is such a picture. Holy Shit. Good luck ever getting that guy to believe anything other than a hardcore sexual deviates. I love your message so much. I hope that makes the embarrassment a little more worth hall. Now switch things up with a heartfelt message coming in from kick ASS sack Lucas. Lucas writes dear master. Sucker the patron saint of the motor mouth the have too many. Gosh Dang titles. Oh my heck are listening to time suck. Since it was fairly new but fallen behind it episodes and playing catch up. I just finished the bizarre mental health disorders suck and I have to say it may be my new favorite episode knocking DB Cooper out from his coveted spot. Not Unlike President Harrison Ford did to the terrorist. Fuck got my plane reference there. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the episode because initially wanted to me is something I would enjoy. But I've learned in the past. You have the ability to pull me in no matter the topic for a few years. Now I've suffered from depression. At least I'm convinced. This is the case since. I've gone to get a diagnosis. Something you mentioned. Men are more has into do in addition to depression about social anxiety. Where literally don't know what to do in social situations to give you an example in this example also fucking killed me. This is so funny to give an example a few years ago my uncle passed away and while at the funeral. My ex girlfriend's aunt came up to talk to me with a nice conversation. As I started to dwindle I felt as it started doing. Felt panic rising. How do I end? This interaction. Window ended what happens when she stopped talking? I don't mean to say I was considering so many options. I couldn't decide what should happen. I just couldn't come up with anything so what I opted to do was to slowly back away without breaking I contact and then I just disappeared around the corner. No Goodbye no nice to see you. I just faded away like the world's shittiest magician. I fucking love it. The reason I ready to tell you the story is this. I was lucky enough to go to your show national a few weeks ago while standing in line waiting to meet you the same thing said in over me. What do I say today in Iraq Bahrain for ten minutes while waiting but came up with very little? When I got to. Where you and Lindsey were. I had nothing to say to you but you were both of you. Were so genuinely engage in kind but I was frozen even tried to engage me by pointing out my daughter and my phone was super cute. The only thing I was able to say is I appreciate your bid about getting a little closer to our grandparents right now if we are sure of our place in there will even though. It didn't get the reaction deserved. Since that night I fixated on all the things I wanted to say. In for days it was nearly all I could think about after listening to that episode. I'm more determined to help with this. Might have depression in particular. I put it off for a lot of reasons but I think at the end of the day. Not Knowing for sure gave me a little deniability because it honestly scares the shit out of me. I've never had any serious suicidal thoughts. But I do sometimes go numb for weeks at a time and lose all motivation being self employed as a realtor working one hundred percent commission. If I'm not motivated that I don't get paid. I'm scared that this dark veil will suck me and not me go in. My family will suffer. I wanted to tell you that and be yet. Another grateful voice leading. You know that you are doing some real good in the world. I can't thank you enough for time. Stuck in your comedy Hell Nimrod keep on Sucking Lucasville fucking love it locusts. Thank you so much. I remember talking to you Nashville. I'm shit with names but I'm pretty good at recalling moments and I'm so proud and happy for you man. That's huge good for you for choosing to go out there and you know get diagnosed and seek out some help and there's nothing wrong with some good old self-improvement. I- self-improvement ever heard anybody. I truly hope you're given the tools to go forth. You know have more consistent. 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I just continued to assume that I just messed up my notes and that was kind of annoying me but the but I didn't think to look it up now I've seen that numerous times and And I just kept thinking. Nah I guess people just writing down Abram now I know love knowing more things Hail Nimrod now for some cove nineteen food for thought coming in from big brain sucker joffrey McClellan no joffrey mic Gilligan. Joffrey mic Gilligan. There we go. Jack writes hey master sucker during your interview for the Kobe. Suck you'd ask what could have been approached differently by the government all counties least in Georgia where reporting numerous are reporting numbers of cases based on place of residence. This did not include the county where the person worked which for most is where they are for the entire day. For example. There was a case report for teacher pretty early on but because they didn't live in the county where they taught some people were going with mentality of. I was not here. 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I'm In Love With That Song: Roxy Music - 'In Every Dream Home A Heartache'

Rock N Roll Archaeology

27:35 min | 1 year ago

I'm In Love With That Song: Roxy Music - 'In Every Dream Home A Heartache'

"The diggers you have entered the halls of the Pantheon podcasts. What you aren't listening to is new ordinary very podcast feed? This is an audio music magazine where you may or may not read. Well listen to be more exact to all the articles. But if you do indulge us here you will find amazing new content including music history commentary interviews reviews and more to satisfy the music lover in you here in the main hall. You will find all of the amazing music based PODCASTS. That make up the Pantheon network. Bud If you prefer each podcast title also has their own feed so you can find. Follow them wherever you are listening to great podcasts. The choice is yours Dan. Aw whoever you are and wherever you are welcome to the. I'm in love with that Song podcast. I'm your Host Brad Page and this time. We're going to get a little dark and a little weird this is roxy music with in every rebe dream home a heartache on each episode of this podcast I pick a song and we listened to it together exploring all of the elements that make a great song. No musical knowledge is required. We don't get technical here. We're just focusing on the performances to production techniques leaks and the musical choices that went into making this song. Great for Roxy Music Fans this one is a classic but if you're not not familiar with Roxy Music you've probably never heard this song before in every dream home a heartache. Roxy Music was formed in England in one thousand nine hundred seventy one with a unique blend of pop sensibilities an experimental music. They could be dramatic. They could be campy. They could be romantic and they were sophisticated. They signed to island records and released their first album in nineteen seventy two. Their second album them for your pleasure was released in March nineteen seventy-three in every dream home a heartache. Was the last song on side one of of that album the lineup of Roxy Music at this time included songwriter and vocalist Bryan ferry guitarist. Raymond's INARA Andy Mackay Kayan Oregon Saxophone and Oboe Paul Thompson on drums. John Porter on Bass and Brian Eno on synthesizer. This album was their first collaboration with producer. Chris Thomas who would eventually produce about five albums for Roxy Music in every dream home home a heartache is a song about conspicuous consumerism. Wealth decadence and what happens when you've gotten everything you want. It's also about a guy in his obsession with a blow up doll in every dream home heartache. And every step by two takes me from have and is there a have Bryan. Ferry studied fine art at Newcastle. Astle University one of his instructors was Richard Hamilton. A highly regarded artists Hamilton encouraged his students to consider TV VP comic books fashion pop music with the same artistic respect as fine art. He believes that everything was a product even highbrow Hamilton's most famous work was a photo collage. Called just what is it about. Today's homes that makes them so different so appealing doing in this collage. He used clippings from magazines and advertisements as a critique of consumerism. You can see how this piece of art influenced Roxy Music. In general and this song in particular both the artwork and song are critical of consumerism. But the the song goes further. It's a song about sex. That's not particularly sexy. It's more creepy than sexy. It's about the decadent and depraved world of the wealthy shortly before Roxy Music started work on their second album for your pleasure. Baroness Mary Mary. Helene Rothschild hosted a party at her extravagant mansion in France on December Twelfth Nineteen seventy two. The theme was a a surrealist ball. The invitations were written backwards. So you had to hold onto a mirror just to be able to read them. She had the mansion lit with red and yellow lights. It's giving it up hellish appearance. The dress code was black-tie long dresses and surrealist heads along the main staircase servants and footmen dressed cats pod at each other and pretended to be asleep Rothschild herself warrant oversized. Horse's head had decorated with diamond tears. Food was served on a mannequin corpse laying on a bed of roses crazy stuff. The guest is list included movie stars artists musicians nobility fashion designers models and the guest of honor of course was Salvador Dahlie. This party became legendary. If you've seen Stanley Kubrick's film eyes wide shut that infamous party scene was apparently Ali. Inspired by Rothschild's surrealist ball the cover of Roxy Music's for your pleasure features a woman and a black leather dress with a panther on a leash. That woman is Amanda Lear. Amanda Lear was in a relationship with Bryan ferry. She was also also very close to Salvador Dali and she was a guest at the surrealist ball. If you'd like to see some pictures and learn more about the surrealist realists ball I'll post some links in the show notes so this flaunting of wealth decadence the dark imagery all of it finds lines. Its way into this song. It conjures up a whole different world unfamiliar to you and me. A world of the one percent living in in a completely different society lifestyles of the rich and famous Bryan ferry was a working class. Boy Now mingling with the elite beat in the song you can feel both his attraction to and rejection of this decadence in every dream home a heartache. It distinctly unique song not just lyrically but musically to in the background the song cycles through a progression of four chords endlessly repeating but building each time in every dream home heartache and every step by takes me further from have Is there have to fix. Aw standards of living now. They're rising but sweet so say bell to source smart part it just prints House perfection. But what goes on what to do that. Very uh the lyrics don't rhyme in. They don't follow a traditional rhythmic pattern. The first line is eight syllables. ables long in every dream home heartache. The second line is six syllables and every step by take take the third seven syllables takes me further from then. The next five lines lines are all five syllables. Each is there to fix the standard of living. There is is in danger but almost a sweet so it feels like we've established a pattern pattern here but the next five lines are all six syllables. Each say bell to source in smart part in the Carter. Just pretty the main house. Then as they keep the rhythm rhythm always changing and unsettled we get one line of five syllables and three lines. Four Cam for short sure. What goes on what to do? The very so. So they've set the stage over this swirling instrumental bed of guitars and organs and keyboards and no drums yet. The singer it tells us he has this beautiful home the main house of Palace he says but clearly he's not happy they're home sweet. Eight home is only a saying. He sings penthouse perfection. But what goes on what to do there. Well let's find out what he's doing their own okay. Okay live bungalow style. All of. It's comfort seem so research aboard Shumail. Lord Don McLean rob the baby. Your skin is like in the compound now. We're getting somewhere. Listen to how he lists those modern earn comforts. Open Plan Living Bungalow ranch style and then matter of factly talks about how he acquired his object of affection by by mail. Order my plane rapper. Baby love and sex is just another commodity. She's just another object of modern comfort. uh-huh live come style all I love. It's comfort seems so recent aboard Shoe mail-order Lord Lane Rob Baby Be. Your skin is like fine. In the compound you float in my new Send Delight in slade bulldogs. My role is to serve you. Dispose of bowed down UNCON- way way now inflatable doll. My role is to serve you. Disposable Darling can't throw you. You were way now. He's a little obsessed immoral took. My breath face is inside this you daily and keep you to death sir. Immortal and life size might breath is inside you. That's a great line. Breath is inside you multiple meanings there. Then he sings address. You up daily and keep you till death size so in the span of this verse. She's evolved from being a package that arrived in the mail to him. Personifying her to her being something more than human immortal he sang sang. She'll never change. She'll never age. He called her the perfect companion earlier right and when he says he'll keep her till death. That's that's his death he's talking about. She's immortal but this is a one way relationship. She'll never love him back. The singer is is just at the ultimate end. Point of our whole consumerist culture. Our computers and IPHONES are fancy. Cars are expensive guitars ours. Our big dream houses. None of it will ever love us back. He's about to discover that as this final verse begins with the Line an inflatable doll lover ungrateful. And then we get the punch line of the song in slate Joe Blow Dog Love Run. Great I blew your body indeed but you blew my mind. I blew up your body but you blew my mind. Get it the first half of the song ends abruptly with that line and Nin- erupts into an orgasmic guitar solo by Phil. Man's job done But you bill by line. The film ends and era is tearing it up on Guitar. But listen to those drums by Paul Thompson to and AH there's about three seconds of silence and then they they fade back in this time with heavy phasing and flange effects applied so that all the instruments are swirling psychedelic mindscape. Manzanares guitar gets more unhinged the song fades for the second time into the future. Yeah you you in every dream home a heartache. By Roxy Music this is a song about a loved. All that isn't played for cheap laughs. They're actually trying to say something if you're a frequent netflix viewer and this song sounds a little familiar talk to you. It's probably because you recognize it as the song that opens the season. Two premiere of mind. Hunter they use this song really effectively effectively in that episode. Thanks for listening. I hope you appreciate it. Our little exploration of the dark side in this episode. If you'd like to learn more about this song or any song in the Roxy Music Catalog then you've got to check out ROXY MUSIC SONGS DOT COM. Kevin Murray has put together gathering amazing website there with excellent analysis of Rossi's work. His sight was invaluable to this episode. So thank you Kevin Kevin. That's it for this episode. You can find me on facebook by searching for the. I'm in love with that song. podcast find me on twitter. At pop staff Daf tweets or email me at love that song podcast at G. Mail DOT COM. If you take a minute to leave a review on itunes or apple podcasts asser wherever you listen to this show it really is appreciated. Thank you while I head out the door. Why don't you have another listen to roxy music with in every dream home a heartache? In every dream home heartache and every step by takes me from Is there a have a standards of living there. Rising sweet the bell to source a smart part. The gist pretty the main house. Candidates can tell us what goes on what to do that very Living Bungalow style all of its comfort Seem so recen show aboard Shumail Lord. Uh Plane Baby. Your skin is like find. In the compound you floating mine new the delightful in slade both my role list to serve you dispose. Go Darling contro. You weigh way now. Immortal land signs my breasts since I ju- you just you daily. Keep you to this in slate. Both doll run great in your body but you blew my mind Ah Doc mm-hmm uh-huh yeah uh-huh the home leased Lucas hair he's Kerry shale and this is a trailer for. Is it rolling Bob Dylan. We talked to interesting people like author. Neil gaiman dillon was more omnipresent than you believe. Part three of American gods is code this moment of the storm and of course it's a hard rain's GonNa fall is is another in other words saying that singer Billy Bragg Owens's Hammersmith Odeon with Chrissie Hynde and she totally spoiled the whole evening by backstage beforehand and come in insight into me you must come back and say hello to build off. Was He'd love to meet you. So it's been targeted. Tina myself going to dillon. It doesn't sound like how about you. What you records actor David Morrissey the stories they are in you? Sit there and you think God this is taking me on a journey only not just by Each track but each album is such a chapter in my life singer. Barb younger and suddenly something in the song you go being when you go. Oh yeah that's today. That's the reality of the quality of his understanding of humanity that kind of really really relentless gays the legendary Larry Rats O sloman. And that's what I talk to them about Santa Lady and I said You know Bob I always wondered you know in the chorus you say in my warehouse eyes my Arabian drums. G Lean is is a verb or is there a comedy in two different images and Sarah goes. Yeah I've always always wanted that to leave me alone writer. David Hepworth honestly sweat dripping off me because there's no gain very far and and yours. Can we get some quotes. They're gonNA get some lines as I mean and you because you can't get that out on that and the woman from the record company said Tim. Has It gone. Bob This is. He keeps his committee questions and Dylan Authority Michael Gray. 'cause he's doing that Dylan is he's he's breaking through sort of Oleaginous Mia of coast to coast important American television and his creating is busting through that and and creating a live event an authentic moment. Is it rolling. Bob Dylan is voices. 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2020 NBA Moments

The Jump

35:23 min | 9 months ago

2020 NBA Moments

"Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately gyco makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having a home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy. What did say when he got past. And how did you find out that it was officially. You officially pointed at me. That was and that was it. Was it said you got him. That was it. And that's the most pop- story ever welcome into the jump on georgia down affiliate fearless leader. Rachel nichols joined by nba champion kendrick perkins and espn nba insider covering the warriors. Nick friedell coming up. We look back and pick our most memorable moments of the strangest nba season. We've seen but first. Let's go back history here as becky hammon made history last night after gregg popovich was tossed in the second. Quarter hammond stepped in and became the first woman to act as an mba head. Coach while the spurs lost the game to lebron and the lakers hammond stepping up was a big win for her and the sports. Obviously i mean it it. It's it's a big deal. It's a substantial moment. I say this a lot. But i try not to think about the huge picture in the huge aspect of it because it can get overwhelming It's my job to go in there and be focused for those guys and make sure that i'm helping them do the things that will help us win. Unbelievable moment perks so now that pop is shown. Trust in hammond to lead the team in his absence is she on track to be pop's ultimate successor. Whenever he does choose to retire will jaws you. Know how to spurs duke things. They're trendsetters they're they're they're the ones that that love to do things first and when you look at how things are going just think about it when you watch big hammond when she costa summer league of team a few years back She did a phenomenal job. And i do think she is next up the line. I wouldn't be surprised if pop got thrown out on purpose just to give us this opportunity because twenty twenty has been so horrible and he was saying you know what we go star. Twenty twenty one. I'll right but she's reading the the most important thing that i see. Besides her knowing the game is the respect that she gets from the plains his not easy coming in as a woman to coach. Mba guys and stores in the respect that she has around. The league from everyone is phenomenal. And i do think she's up next for the head for the head. Coach as a san antonio spurs when pop decided to step down yet looked to hear point ultimately game recognizes game park. That's the way this works. She's one of the greatest female basketball players. We've ever seen. Forget about female. She's one of the greatest basketball players we've ever seen so she clearly as you mentioned is ready for that moment and look. We're not saying it's happening tomorrow. We're not trying to get rid of your pop. But she has clearly shown the ability to handle the position now. Ham wasn't the only person making history last night as lebron james on his thirty six th birthday became the first nba player to ever score at least ten points in a thousand consecutive games. That's dating all the way back to two thousand seven the next to close in nba history or michael jordan with eight hundred sixty six and of course the calf kareem abdul jabbar seven hundred eighty seven. Perk i try shade at you put the staff of. They looked up your longest double digit scoring streak and it was nine. Okay i you though okay so let me ask you this. What is the significance of lebron's streak to you you know. What is he turned thirty six just today right and i'm thirty six right now. We came into the league together and he's still reaching milestones and said nba records. And i'm so jealous. I actually wanted him to have the worst birthday. He another milestone to put the icing on the cake. Emplo the countless. I will aside of the nil ice cream but lebron james is doing georgia's phenomenal just to think he's almost two dead case in and he still have a lot left in the tank. This is not the last time that we're gonna be talking about him. Reach a certain milestone of breaking a certain record and it's just It's beautiful to see. And i'm glad that i'm i'm here living to witness this moment and i'm not taking anything. Lebron james do for granted. That's a great point. i do. Think that perk. We struggled at times to really just enjoy people in the moment right. We spend so much time debating one thing or another. Is he the greatest is not. The greatest word is ranked this young man. Just appreciate what. That dude is doing what he's done you not only individually. But what he's done for this game what he's done beyond basketball. There's so many things that you can appreciate about him but even if you don't want talk about the stuff outside the court just appreciate what he's been able to accomplish if you were building a basketball player in a lab. It would look like lebron james if he's out of central casting so that's the way you have to look at this situation when it comes to lebron james and i do think that point you made perk is something that we need to focus more on whether it's lebron whether it steph whether it's any of these superstars that are once in a generation type players and the take still further. He is the ultimate role model. Like i if. I wanted my kids to look up to anybody besides me as a basketball player as athlete as a icon fieger. It will be lebron james. Just think about how he cares himself on and off the court. A family man married his high school sweetheart raising three beautiful kids raising them. The right way a real father. I know lebron so either behind this home. Watch how he interacts with his family. And i said families. Tom aside so just watching him. Growth from bed from knowing says the age of thirteen and watching him become the man that he is off. The court is special. I believe that we have to appreciate him now because when he walks away from the game the game of basketball is really gonna miss him. Yeah there's going to be a huge void by the way perk nine game. Double digit scoring streak. I feel like you could have kept it going if rondo would have given you the baltimore okay. I hate number was hating on man. I look always mess with doc rivers and tell them i said look may you. You held me back. From being a franchise guy you turn to roll at early age and this response is there per. I've made you a winner. That's the most important thing it wasn't just the big three in boston. Was the big five. You rondo though to let's not forget about that l. let's go. There is no speaking of doc. Rivers his former team the clippers. There was no additional beef. Last night between paul george pat beven dame as the newly master co and the clippers routed the blazers yesterday. One twenty eight to one zero five. La held little to over eight from three. Here's kawai talking about his new accessory a hard time at all about the mask. I mean it's hard to breathe is a hopefully. This could on a future. But i mean yeah we may not get the start calling leather facing stuff. But i'm sorry can't talk too much. We got him on a trading bloc right now so we ever want some modest now trae surge now i obviously surges is obviously not on the trading block. He was getting around. Which i think is funny because look why is supposed to be a fun guy right. That's what we've heard about him. But the mask whose mass who are better the all time mask man richard hamilton or leonard always richard hamilton. I mean like he said the train like that match down when you thought a rich a rich skills. You talk when you thought you knew that his mask. When he had the masks on he was on the test. I don't know what that was. Why add on. But whatever it was he had all he was on the mission. The mass works. Because i have haven't seen a wide is intense in a long time and he's a phenomenal basketball player. Who george i guess. It was the mass but he was on a mission last night he was on the mission so if he's gonna play like this win ugly. Ask if i'm tired lou. I'm telling you gotta keep his own. Yeah yeah i'm with you heartedly. yeah rip hamilton. Is the all time mask man in the nba. Although we were talking about lebron earlier remember lebron more that black mask back in the day with the heat when he busted his nose that one time he looked like something out of a cartoon type movie like a superhero movie but anyway let's move onto the game park. The clippers are now four. And one including a win over the lakers and lebron james including a win over nicola yokich and the nuggets and now the blazers three of the top teams in the western conference. They do have that fifty one point loss to dallas which is their only blemish. But what kind of statement did the clippers make. Last night they made a us. State with all the riffraff that was gone on the twain. The blazers and the clippers. I thought the the clippers took this game personal and they wanted to send a message and they did that from the jump. They set the tone. They play his game like the playoff game. They will into a to the blazes as face. They will contest the shots making miss. Not hoping that they miss. In on the other end they were attacking. They were attacking downhill. They were getting out playing with great pace. They were tied on the stream. And this is the clippers team that we have been wanting to see. They look they look they. There was fun to watch last night. You could tell time lewis preaching of team ball because they're passing a good shots to get great shots. This is the clippers team that i've been expecting and they looked phenomenal last night. I got to give credit. Where credit's due. I'll say this. I thought you brought up a great point about kawais specifically just kind of his demeanor. I think the team in general. This season has a different demeanor. So far perk outside of that one ridiculous game against the mavericks. I mean they look like they are all business so far this season is that a fair assessment. That is a fair assessment. Especially paul george. He has been playing phenomenal right now. Like if you had to take a five guys that will be in. The mvp compensate conversation for the first week of nba. Caesar paul george named should be mentioned in the and he's doing a lot of things. I'm watching his playmaking ability. We all know that he could put the ball in the basket. But the way that he's using a pick and roll throwing lives too big zubec- at the rim big zubac yet at at and and facilitating for others. I mean when you look at guys like nicholas tone who seems like to me. He is having fun. And i'm watching them play. We haven't seen help play at this love and the law top. He's defending at a high level. He's knocking down shots. He's causing happy up in the paint pat bill. His door with bill do is just. Hey they wanna tell. Lou tie lewis and seemed michael big chains. I hate to say it. Yeah for sure out of the. There's any question. The thing is is going to be big for them to so far to your point. He has played his role perfectly. All right coming up next despite coming up short against the brooklyn nets last night. Did the hawks validate their place in the east playoff race. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geiko dot com. The net survived the hawks and trae young thirty points with one forty five one forty one win for the nets kyrie katie combined for thirty three in the fourth quarter alone to hold on for that particular win and the pace was almost too much for nets. Coach steve nash to handle. Let's take a listen as a young coach. It's you know it's hard when you are. You can't impact the game the way you near houston impact in so the guys hung in. That's the number. One thing i mean not always gonna win the way we wanna win Holding teams down tonight. We couldn't stop them but we finally got enough stops and took get better offense. Get going and i definitely need a beer. You may need a lot of beers when coaching in the nba. Steve get used to that. I'd perk who you more impressed by the nets holding on or the hawks pushing into the limit. The halts pushing them to the linda. I had to make the playoffs this year. But i think there's gonna be a dangerous out in the eastern conference. I wouldn't be surprised if they make it to the eastern conference bombs trae young is uncomfortable. They have a lot of five power offensively and now they have a leader. They're well coached but they have a leader in playoff rondo and once this team continue to keep building and going in the right direction of time. They are gonna be dangerous and they're going to be scary. And no one is gonna wanna see this young team. George kagan kyrie are unbelievable. They are so much fun to watch. But i'm looking at these games. I'm looking at that game was that i'm thinking where the hell is the in the league. Why is there. Nobody playing locked down defensively. We'd seen in years past. Why are sports so unbelievably i all the time. So for as much offensive talent as there is three young is what play painting in years. Why can't the defense come in and windsor going to be happy at some point this season. Yeah for sure i. By the way. I went on this as far as the hawks are concerned. It's gonna hurt because they kind of on again make up but when you said hard out right or tough out the first round. It reminds me of that boston team that faced in atlanta team. They got pushed seven in the first round. Like i feel like this. Has that kind of upside that kind of capability. Because we didn't know. The baby hawks back then with josh smith and joe johnson in that particular group. Al horford right was on that team. Jeff t. we didn't know what they were going to be they eventually. We're team that got to the eastern conference finals and face lebron james and company. We saw kind of that first iteration that year and i think this hawks team can be something like that. Do you agree pert. I agree i agree. Cojones look the dishes that they added for getting by donald bitch and and the growth of cam reddish in In the andre hunter and now they have clinker pillar who's a guy that could grab all the rebounds and blocked shots and collins collins is so underrated and the good thing about collins is that he's playing for something. He didn't get the contract extension. He has a chip on his shoulder. But i'm gonna tell you. Trae young is a top five player right now in the nba. He cannot be guarded. You talk about steph curry. But this guy is steph. Curry two point. Oh in my opinion because his because of the way he's able to facilitate and and and make plays for others but it's no other player in the league probably other than james harden that i notice that team sin traps at him soon as he crawls court uncle boxing ones o.'neil they do it a little bit but trae young is on the whole other level. Right now nick. Nick you obviously cover steph curry. What do you see as far as similarities with trae young. They hate those comparison first and foremost yards when you talk to step utah to those that they are their own players in. They want to make sure that comparisons don't stick but it's offensively they get whatever they want whenever they want what i would say in watching the to the first couple years here of young's career. Seth is a little bit of a better defender. Trae young as great as he is ostensibly. That's where the real red flag is to me. I don't think steph gets enough credit for the kind of defender that he has been at times. Trae young next step. He's got play defense at a much. Better paced than we've seen so far joe's did nick. Just say this was a better fit. I next stop it right now. Okay neither one of those guys are playing any type of okay. Let's new much better because he is not good anybody's these guard somebody who just stand in the corner. Let's like come on now. I know you know you covered the warriors blessed keeping real right now but look. I wanna say this about this john. Carlos turned down a four year extension for ninety million rows. So that goes to show me that he's betting on itself and with a guy doing that. Turns down ninety million he has the perform at a lead level are all star level. And he's doing it does for this house team is going to be there very dangerous. Compla- tom trust yet. I'm with perk for sure. I coming up as we wind down. Twenty twenty we look back at a few of our most memorable moments from fun forgettable year. Stay tune you're watching to jump. Welcome back to jump in a few hours. We'll be celebrating the beginning of twenty twenty one twenty. Two thousand was a unique year to say the least from kobe. Passing away to cova to social justice causes messages. Orlando being the center of the basketball world. Upsets tons of upsets and. Of course the lakers winning a title. So perk what. Moment from the nba's twenty twenty season while you remember the most. I have two moments one. Is that the miami heat the they don't call them goals from dade county. Beat the milwaukee bucks in playoff series like we said they were gonna do george your guilt preaching and everybody was telling us that was crazy. You know we need to get some rest but they showed up for us but the most important thing that happened in twenty twenty was the nba the nba brotherhood and all the players came together for in social justice and united as one to start interacting and and being proactive in their communities. For more than vote. You know boy kind gangs to get messages. Heard holding owners accountable. That was the most memorable thing for me and twenty twenty is how the brotherhood of the nba ninety and came together and wanted to address issues. That's that's outside of basketball in real world where he that is my moment to see jimmy butler narrative about himself into leeann that teen through the bubble the mental toughness that he and the rest of that group showed was unbelievable. In for somebody who wasn't always sure dating back to this time of chicago with jimmy. Get a team there. He could put everybody else on his back and make you happen to see that. That's the thing. I'm gonna remember the most about this whole year. Look i've with you guys on everything that you've already discussed from the social messages. Obviously for the social causes Just everything that we've had to endure but in regards to jimmy butler if we can show that picture one more time of him being exhausted at the end of that game with the triple double like this. That game right there okay. We're he literally left it all on the court was as inspiring a moment as we've seen from a guy who wasn't considered a quote unquote superstar at that point that right there really surmised his whole facing his whole season. His whole bubble experience in the heat's bubble experience. But i'll say this even pre bubble. There's a moments for me the e lamenting we forgot. I know it feels like a million years ago. Now but the all star game. The eelam ending was awesome. I thought i was very skeptical going into into the conversation but it was the best thing the nba could have done. And i hope they continue doing it. forward so that obviously lebron winning his fourth title. I thought that was as big as anything and enduring all the stuff that they've had to endure. I know lebron has talked about all the different challenges that he's faced in all the championships. He's won the first. One obviously was was difficult on. Its own the second one against the spurs. Obviously for a lot of reasons was difficult in the way they had to come back and win that series. We know about twenty sixteen. Because i was there but enduring what they had to endure. In the bubble and overcoming all of that stuff. I thought was huge as well. So those are my faves for twenty twenty hashtag twenty thousand i. The warriors didn't have much success in twenty twenty. And they'll be getting some help here pretty soon. Steve curses that draymond. Green could return to action as soon as friday's home opener against the blazers. So nick after the gap year with steph and klay out last season is draymond able to return to peak form. You think can help this team. I mean this year. George he can get to that level but we've seen in the postseason before in. There's two reasons why believe that. First and foremost he's coming into this year after nine months off in the best shape that we've seen him in in years he feel good. Had to go through the colon protocols but he's much better space than been and secondly he knows what it's like to be on his own as he was last season after steph. Got her early. And get your endures. Dream on his really proud guy. He doesn't wanna leave steph outside dry even if this warriors team isn't the same caliber of group as we've seen in years so i believe that he's going to have a really solid season and i really believe that he's going to help. James wiseman as that mentor and tutor the nineteen year old eight. How strongly agree with you. And one thing. I've learned and we should all learn is the never doubt draymond green he always. He always defeats the auto and app comment alpha pretty horrible season last year. A lot of lows with force him not being able to produce like he's capable of doing with steph coming having killed the brand andrew wiggins now the offense is gonna run more fluid now draymond green could be great and that's a point forward a guy who initiates the offense a guy who makes plays for this guy that could throw to james wiseman at the rim for wide open for dunks a guy that could be that defensive player of the year type caliber play again because he don't have to do so much on the office officer. Been one thing about dream on that bike. You say Nick he's very profitable. And i'll keep preaching people he is the heart and soul of the golden state warriors. He gives them swag. And now that the golden state warriors To and to get dre my back now that energy levels don't go up there swag is going to go. And he's gonna steal their confidence in these other guys like who great Pascal and wiseman. I'm looking forward to having phenomenal season issue. Yeah i think we all are we all miss. Draymond look Draymond for a lot of reasons. He's a great quote. But i think people have forgotten that he's a great player too. And when you put him together with steph curry in this system Even though i don't think this warriors team without clay can be a top four seed and be a home court advantage team. I still think they could fight for a playoff spot. I dream will absolutely help them with that. All right coming up jalen brown dropped a career. High forty two points last night against memphis. He's taking another leap forward in boston. Hi we'll discuss that in just a moment but first. Here's what jumped recommends board. Today ramona shelburne mother mojo digs into the maturation of joel embiid. Including why he voted against going into the bubble and what he was hiding while he was there. Check it out on. Espn dot com. That's the opening bell meaning. The stock market is opened up for you today. We give you some early trends. And you tell us whether you're buying or selling. Let's start with jaylen brown. Who lit up the grizzlies last night with a career. High forty two points. He's now at twenty eight points per day putting him in the top ten in the league right now. so perk. Are you buying or selling jalen as an elite scorer. This season Mpn out my bank account george. I abide jaylen. Brown is on a mission in this started last year in the book in the playoff when going haywood when he went to another level so now this sample size that everyone see i pick jaylen brown to to be my most improved player this season because he is a guy that works on this game. He gets better every single year. He has zero flaws in his game. Offensively is nothing that he can't do. He don't have the flash and all the step back stand up between the leg crossovers but he gets the job done. He has the mid range. He has a trade ball he can slash to the basket. He could play on the ball off. The ball is good. Pick and roll. I'm loving what i'm saying. Either jalen brown. I am buying purkis. You've got a lot of talent. But i'm selling for the time being. Here's why when you're trying to make it as an elite score and you take that step do in the postseason. When you're t need you the most and when you can help the rest of that roster so jaylen brown may show us this season. That he's crossed that bridge right now. I m not buying it. Yes i think he still some growth to do the naked shoulders. Their last postseason. When when not past miami they else get through that level more on kim by thought. Yeah that was mall. Gillete brown was. The was the best player on the boston celtics last year. He was the most consistent when you when you go back. And look at his numbers he elevated his game. Tremendously in the postseason. I'm not going off your sample size of what i've seen this season. I'm talking about what i saw. Last season. before the bubble before the pandemic he averaged twenty points in getting a play call from on fifty percent shooting when he got to the bubbling gordon hayward went out. He elevated his game tremendously. And now that gordon hayward is go and kill bears. He's doing exactly what i expected them to do. And that's be a top tier score and his lead today because now he's a focal poi- the offense is actually ran through him and jason salem and he's not a option or more he's a one eight one beat type option. I i'm with perk. i'm buying here. I think he's added to his game. Basically every season as he's pointed out everything has gotten a little better every season. Moving onto trae young was leading the league with fifteen and a half free throw attempts per game. He got to the line sixteen times last night against the nets and his averaging more free throw attempts per game right now the entire toronto raptors team. Nick are you buying or selling trae. Young free throws pace. I'm not. I'm selling right. Now's your because this is james harden me james harden is the guy he's the one that always find a way to make it happened to the rim so good as offensively. This is still james. Harden's beat nate. I have to disagree with you again. And i hate to go into the argument but by trae young cannot be be got it his only two things that you can hope that happened one is that he don't show up to the arena. He just missing his sats. He's going to get to the free throw line because no one could guard. They tried to put two people he sees boxing ones. He knows how to get to the free throw. A cousin is capability of him. Knocking down shots. So i'm buying equal. Possibly he is possibly going to lead the league in free-throw two seats. I think it's possible. But i'm holding still think james harden would probably be that guy so i'm gonna slightly sell but hold on potentially to some of my money baby by later all right. That's the closing bell hit it. Let's let me hear it all right. That means the stock market is over for today. Coming up we'll give you our nba new year's resolutions for twenty twenty one. What are your coop wishes for next season but or next year actually hired. It's crunch time here on the jump. One night after getting blown out by forty seven points by the box. He came back and beat milwaukee last night nick. What was your biggest takeaway from the heat's rebound win. This is a team that knows how to bounce back george. They're mentally strong and proven time and time again and there's no debating when they need to find a way to win matter who's out for erik. Spoelstra is going to get that team to play a different level. I would have to go with bam bam on the by you and guess i know i'll say his last name wrong but i don't care what we have to start giving him credit he's elevated his playmaking -bility he's elevated his leadership when i'm seeing how the him he's gonna put up the stats. I think he almost double last night. I think he was almost two assists away from apple. Triple double but what you what i'm looking at bam and i'm watching him dive on the floor loose balls and setting the tone then more active for speaking to others in encouraging then hold on guys accountable. He is a special player. He's a big in the league. Yeah no doubt about it right. Speaking of the heat up. Brian windhorst mentioned on the hoop collective podcasts. That's his podcast. Subscribe to brian's podcasts. Of course he would probably need to trade tyler herro and duncan robinson any potential horrid trade Brian said that the he basically took themselves out of the running. Perhaps to cool off the market a little bit they'd have to throw in more more assets obviously than just those two. But what do you think about the heat trying to acquire hearted. Let's start with you nick. Bits me making that deal george. What's the one thing that miami needs one more of in the playoffs in the finals. It's the guy to hand the ball off to and say go score and make this happen at. The end of the game is greatest. Jimmy is and his great bam is going to be they need that one. Extra sar hardens. The guy in the deals there. If i'm pat riley amazing it was hard to just jump the gun and pass up on the mvp candidate. But i'm not making the deal and his wife when you look at the heat. They have a thing called coach. One of the best one of the best organizations that have established coach. They know they have identity. And it's been around for a long period of time. I wouldn't give up two guys that i built do player development and tyler herro talk robinson two guys that. Shoot the lights out. One thing that you need in the nba is you needs facing you. Need shooting and the way that their offense is constructed ran through bam him being the facilitator. A lot of drama handoffs a lot of pick actions. They they feel well in that. I don't know how james would fit in their miami system. Would he take away from what he take away from. Jimmy i know one thing all these guys in with the by the heat right now complement each other very very nicely. You guys made great points. But i'm with nick. Bring me the beard. I love guys with beards perk. That's why you and i get along so well. That's no new year's eve offer the nba. Let's see today seven-game slayton arlene past game of the night last. Nba the orlando magic. We'll host the seventy sixers on mba tv but on league. Pass our choices. Kings rockets my pal mark jones on the call there for the kings. That's at seven eastern. Were john wall. Demarcus cousins and eric gordon are cleared from quarantine for the rockets and expected to play wall in boogie. Couldn't wait to be cleared. take a listen well. I didn't do anything all i did. Get a haircut in my apartment somebody. One of teammates had tested positive the next day. And then the next six seventy the next four or five tests came back negative. Go with me and three people getting haircut. Like i can't get eric rather come apartment and be in a barbershop. Somewhere where random people coming in constantly. Barbara tested so excited i love. I had a blast perk. How do you expect to fit with. Harden fit just purchased hardening. Ed crystal lewis. I'm i'm excited to see it and it's going to be a great test because the kings plan inspire basketball so i'm looking forward to watching his game tonight. Georgia the kentucky connection. It's gonna work real quickly with arden. Show let's close. I think they're gonna find you. Put a lot of stars together. You're good so as we close our last jump twenty twenty. I wanna hear what twenty twenty one new year's resolution. You guys have nicholas start with you. I wanna see the clippers. Do what they were supposed to do last year. Georgia this team. That can win the title. Let's see if they can make it work. I want to see a big man. When nick be a real big of i think. The league needs lebron versus k. d. They need a rivalry. Let's do it do you own or rent your home you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. It's a good thing too. Because having home is hard work go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico dot com easy.

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REShow: Guest Host Kirk Morrison and Richard Hamilton. Hour 2 (05-09-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Guest Host Kirk Morrison and Richard Hamilton. Hour 2 (05-09-19)

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Oh, four to ninety nine the Boston, Celtics. We know are ready for vacation as they lose to the Milwaukee Bucks. One sixteen to ninety one on. Yeah. They're going fishing Cancun. Kabo I don't know wherever the vacation destinations are for many of the Celtics playing kyri drives mode off the side of the flat earth. Never comes back. Elliott Cari alone. But today is Thursday to leave kyri alone. This whole season is his fault. I'll go thing. I'm going to give you your down the roller coasters like stopped talking and play basketball. He never did that never. Did. He. Started from the beginning. You know, he did the at the season ticket luncheon or whatever where he said, I'll be back. If you have you have an and that started every made that cool commercial with his dad because it's dad played a BU wars dad's number about coming back and being in the garden forever. And then it was auto bother me with that bleep until the summertime. Wait what? And then he absolutely no shows in the biggest playoff series that he's had in Boston After nine even playing in the playoffs last year where the team was four minutes from the finals like this is all on him one thousand percent Brad Stevens can get up there and say I should have done a better job because he's going to do that because he's the head coach. And that's what you're supposed to say. This is a hundred percent on Kyrie one hundred percent. You're speaking for all Boston's right now, you know, that I should because I live and die with this outtakes. I have my green shoes on yesterday for good luck to Kevin McHale. Eighty four. Clothesline somebody like Kevin McHale because nothing was working. Right. You said it you said it perfectly in the first hour. Brad Stevens should've bench kyri would clear wasn't going. Well, and it was going south. The second unit was playing so much better. They had a lead with the second unit. Just so frustrated is the biggest disappointment that the Celtics have had that. I can remember I feel bad for you. And then you weren't even in the picture with Tom Brady and Garoppolo and all the former quarterbacks at the Kentucky Derby last Saturday as well. I should have been I know that would have been cool with the only guy I probably. I go to. That'll men and cliff kings, Mary and all those guys that's what I thought a major bummer, and I think the Celtics need to make some big changes. It's going to be some changes, regardless. They've got flexibility. They've got draft picks. It's going to be something different in Boston. But on the last night, I mentioned with the warriors. And rockets we just had Tim Cahill commie on in the last hour from the bay fired up there, man. I'll see I that's why let you in. You know, sometimes you just need to get it off. Sometimes you just had to let it out. I'm done. I'm right there with him on the next of a Tim Cahill comedy of death. Let bay area just told us in the last segment or last hour that spoke with Steve Kerr last night. It is very highly unlikely. Basically, it is a no go for he is out basically Kevin Durant out for game six possibly game seven as well. I mean that's the injury in which we shall see there. It is there. Steve Kerr just told me that it's incredibly unlikely. Kevin durant? We'll play in game six so Kevin Durant. No game. Six. Will fly out today? Head to Houston and get ready for game seven tomorrow night on Friday, all of this talk. And we still got two games tonight. We still got two games sixes to night of the Toronto Raptors versus seventy Sixers nuggets trailblazer. So we gotta talk about that. There's still a lot more to go. But let me get caught up on news. I what you got Brock with Brockman with the news. Now Bachmann with federal live report rock in with the news news brought to you guys by the twenty nine thousand nine Honda Civic lineup from the fun to drive civic sl in the versatile civic hatchback to the record breaking performance of the civic type r there's a Honda Civic for every doozy. Est at your Honda dealer today to find yours. All right. Let's take a trip around the NFL real quick is one of the big free agent defensive players. That was still looking for a home Ziggy Ansah he appears to have one looks like he's headed to Seattle on a one year deal. Kirk what do you make that move for the Seahawks? Well, it's a low risk high reward type of deal because you sign him after the may seven deadline will you know, to where it doesn't mess up the compensatory picks for the Seattle Seahawks. So now signings after that may seven day they still get to keep their compensatory picks for losing free agents in that signing enough reagents back they signed him. At a point where Ziggy Ansah last year on the franchise tag Detroit off injured. I don't even he didn't play a full sixteen games. So basically, you get hopefully a full sixteen item of your Seattle. But he kind of gives you a little bit of I guess a presence now that you've lost Frank Clark. We know goes to obviously Kansas City. So now you have that defensive in it you need at Pash rusher. Some I said list, a low risk high reward one year deal hopefully it works out, but they're going to be obviously working on the cheap now because of what they just paid their quarterback. Russell wilson. Do you think that Russell Wilson contract is going to slow them down to rail them because we've seen like these teams that have paid big money for these quarterbacks? Matt Stafford Matt Ryan some of these other quarterbacks, etc. Dallas Cowboys are going to do it with that Prescott. Soon. Do you think it's going to you know, we've seen kind of the end of this hawks run because they're going to be paying so much money to Russell Wilson. No. I don't think. So I think right now, you take Russell Wilson off that team there, you know, every year picking in the top ten because they're not a playoff team. Russell wilson. Makes that team every year a legitimate contender not only in the NFC west. But also a team that I just don't wanna play in the one thing I'll give John Schneider and also Pete Carroll the head coach of the Seahawks. I give them credit. They draft will and they draft. Well, Layton rounds, I know it's already been you know, kind of been documented already, but look that decay Metcalf in a session round. I mean, that's a huge pickup for them. They got wide receivers. They picked up a couple of linebackers as will remember, they don't rebuild. Everybody's always talking about rebuild rebuild rebuild allocate Seattle, and I'm they don't rebuild. They just reset. You know what I mean? They let goal. Frank clark. They Ziggy Ansah for the cheap. And look if he comes in and plays. Well, it gets ten sacks. You gotta be leap pass rusher that you feel like so to me it's never about the contract for Russell Wilson. They basically shifted from what once was the legion of boom right to now. It is Russell Wilson's shooting. Russell I got there. It was a legion of boom team. Now. It's Russell Wilson Seahawks rather than a team being led by their defense. And it's kind of like Ben Rothlisberger. He was just kinda keeper of the flame that Steelers. When he first got there during the first run Russell kind of the same way kind of evolving now to being an offense first team like so many others in the NFL. Once you got that joker card, man. Wildcard as long as you've got that one. You think hey, I'm good. We could just put pieces around it. But we got the major piece already said we talked about a Cowboys earlier in the week with Michael Irvin and here guest hosting. I wanna get your take on some of this stuff. But first we had Jerry Jones on and he talked about potentially paying Dak Prescott. The big time quarterback money. We're sold on deck. And we do won't have him for the long term. We think he's worthy of investing in for the long term. We love the way that he am wanna use the word logically progresses through a game for you see when he's got to come from behind when he kind of turns it loose a little bit. You seem make those plays all of those things Imboden may to make a deal with him that puts him here with the Cowboys for the long term. Yeah. And the Cowboys had begun contract negotiations with that Prescott and Amari Cooper. This is Stephen Jones said this yesterday. Do you think so we've been having this debate kind of on and on do you think Dak Prescott worth thirty million dollars per season? It's not about what is he worth it to me? It's about what does he mean? To that team. He keeps you stable at that position your quarterback. So is he worth thirty million in the landscape of the NFL? Maybe not. But to the Dallas Cowboys he's worth thirty million because he keeps that position stable, you're not worrying about having drab Daniel Jones, and Dwayne has plans and Kyle Murray, you've already got that chip you've already got that piece. The one thing that I'm looking at though is there's three guys that need to get paid big dollars. We mentioned that Prescott Amari Cooper, Ezekiel Elliott razor three guys who need to get paid. But the two guys who are free agents at the end of this year, our deck in Amaury, if I don't get the number that I want and if I'm their agents, we want to get the top dollar for our player because we also want to reset the market. What if both of those guys decide to reject their offers and force the Cowboys hand into having to franchise. One because you franchise one. You can't franchise the other. You put Amari Cooper on the market right now. He's getting top dollar as a playmaker. You put deck Prescott on the market right now. How many teams in the NFL right now would not pay him would pay him? Thirty million dollars say we've got our position locked up. We don't have to worry about next year's draft class. We've got a proven winner. We put a run game around him a couple of play makers a good defense that team went to the playoffs. Two of his first three years. That's what the Cowboys are right now in for. I know people may not want to hear that. But you gotta pay hardball ball little bit. Because teams do it now players need to as well. All right. A couple of things off this. How many teams do you think would be in the market for Prescott? Wow. Going into next season. I would say, wow, it really the way. This thing has to play out. You got a couple teams could the Oakland Raiders be one of those teams of Derek Carr. Doesn't play. Will you look at a team? Like, the Detroit Lions, maybe they move off of Matthew Stafford you know, what? I mean think about this an Atty. Cincinnati the so you've got a quarterback and still in its infancy stages in the National Football League that after this year, I've got a proven commodity would a ton of upside. I don't think that Prescott has reached his full potential yet. I think he's still he's going to have a new offense coordinator this year. I think there's going to be able to bring out more of his skill set. There may be teams in the market for Dak Prescott as a free agent. I don't have to give up draft compensation to get him. And I keep my draft picks. Oh, yeah. There's going to be a market for that Prescott. Yes. Stephen Jones said that he's focusing most of their energy now on getting extensions for Dacoota, Mark. I would like to extend Zeke at some point. Do you think who do you think is? More important to Cowboys future. Success between those three guys Dak Prescott quarterback alway, and I know people are going to say well, look at Zeke Zeke. I think he's pretty great. Zeke's been great. He's been awesome. He's been amazing. But the one thing I can tell you that sometimes the running backs. I'm sorry. They grow on trees and Zeke has been great. But you look at the replacement of running backs every single year. I know bought me I know Pittsburgh didn't go to the playoffs last year. But James Connor was amazing. And they went out and drafted another guy. Benny snail they they've grown have backs in Pittsburgh. I think the same thing in Dallas. If they needed to go out and draft another back, you can find a back, especially if you're still using offensive line at you've invested a lot of money in Travers Fredericks coming back Frederickson coming back as well. So you've got pieces, but the quarterback piece, why do you think the draft is so big every single year the NFL draft is big every single year because of one reason the quarterbacks right people were this draft was just whatever. Yeah. Because after Colin went down people start hearing all these defensive player, they never even heard of. I mean, look. Somebody. We've never heard of or seen play. Daniel Jones was the sixth overall pick come moment. That's what this league the NFL is built on the quarterback position. So when you have one, and you've really feel good about your situation, you wrap your arms around that quarterback. Because you're saying, okay, we're happy will wherever at now. We just got to put the pieces around it makes everything a lot better. We'll talk more about this next hour with with our gas. But just want to get this out quick talking about the Lakers. Mention the bomb earlier. Yeah. So tight Liu and his wraps turned down the Lakers offer Tuesday. Sources told agent was in row ski day mcmanamon. So apparently the Lakers on Wednesday offered a deal three years. Eighteen million tile? Woo after which lose side pulled out in the Goshi nations. Reports war tile we wanted five year deal with a salary commensurate with his championship resume both as a player while and a head coach. Of course, also one of the one of the crazy things that was mentioned the Lakers have proposed several scenarios. For assistant coaches, including Jason Kidd on the staff and that really didn't sit. Well with tile guys so many layers. So many layers lose crazy birthday party in Vegas, which they brought him a Lakers cake, so many layers to this Brockman, I mean, I guess look we can start like this first of all in the Knicks our tiny again Guli LA times, she'll be joining us in studio. I'll get hurt thoughts on it. Because remember this week started off with Laker news about LeBron and Lonzo on LeBron's the shot the shots. The first Laker comments since they were talking about their reaction to magic believing that was a week long of Laker news right there. Then all of a sudden, you mentioned the wold bomb and you lie. Oh, they are no longer in content. I mean in contract negotiations Lakers Tyler Tyler feels disrespected and in who's running the Lakers front office as it, rob rob Pelinka, or is it the ram buys? They call it now and Kurt Rambis is so many different layers to this in his wife is having say it all. It is like fascinating now. Because now you open up the candidacy again now, and you have what possible Jason Kidd, Lionel Hollins, Mike Woodson Mike del tufo, I've heard is thrown his name in the hat now know. I don't know what a championship man every every like, this war's thing is so fascinating. And and to me, it's. If I'm a free agent, and I'm just watching what's going on all site, Los Angeles, and I've been telling people, I think older people outside of the millennials and things like that. They still think that that Laker name across the chest means something not to these younger players that Lakers across the chest. That don't mean nothing, especially when you see all the chaos is going on function. Now, I'm turning left. Our sorry. I'm turning right away from that. I'm not going to that. And so that's something. I want to ask our guest coming up next rip Hamilton the NBA champion who took down that former Laker dynasty of Kobe Bryant seculow, Neil Karl Malone. So I want to ask him as well has he ever been in something like this specially playing in Detroit after they took down a dynasty. And eventually they fill it out there. So I'm gonna get the comments thoughts of rip Hamilton coming up. Is that what the news? That's all. You got for me. That's it man. Steal a lot to die so much to go out so much to get to. But Roop Hamilton the NBA champion coming up next year curtain Morrison filling in for rich. It's the rich Eisen show. Everybody's got a to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your pocket. Of course, this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors. And all of you. Great listeners for supporting this podcast. Certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. And I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com. Clicking on the support this podcast button. 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But we go to the to the to the phone line to the guest line now joined by Richard rip Hamilton until true VR NBA on teeing NBA on TV are that's what you're here. Join before we talk about that will know rich while you're here, I'm still caught up and saw because I'm caught up in what happened with Kevin Durant. And I'm thinking I'm never was an NBA player, but I've seen it might NFL career injuries to marquee players. And then all of a sudden. It's like, oh, what do we do now? So last night as I'm watching the game. Kevin Durant goes down rip in have you been in a situation like that where a player of that magnitude on your team goes down. And it's like what do we do? Oh, man. I was definitely a hard dropping moment if I'm Klay Thompson or Steph curry, I mean, you got a guy that's pretty much looked at at as being unguarded. Like, he's the only guy that you have on your team that if Stephanie makes shots in clay making shots, and you know, drain. My can't get in the paint and make plays katie's the only guy on your team that you can throw the ball to just say. All right, everybody get out the way give me a bucket. That's the luxury of Kevin Garnett on this incredible team already. So yes, I do think it's going to have an effect on them. Can they still get through the series? Yes. I mean, you still got a two-time VPN Steph curry, and do I believe that eight do Steph curry takes take a back seat sometimes because the K D, you know, similar to way did and in Miami when LeBron James got there. Yeah. I can see that is their levels is they're higher. Levels that Steph crazy jitsu without Jess. So I do think yes is a heart dropping moment. But I still believe that goes they still can get to the final have. How do you do it on the road though? It's one thing to play at home and to have the situation happen. Kevin durant? You still win the game. And you have this luxury now, right? You go on the road. No one. You just got to win one of the next two games. But how do you handle it on the road? So it doesn't it doesn't get to a game seven. What think that for them? You know, everybody's gonna write them off. Right now goes they saying that this road. Guarantee game. The Houston Rockets is gonna get so I look at it saying the pressures born Houston. I mean, how about Houston? How about if you're James harden, a guy that could be two time MVP in Chris Paul like never, you know, happy and injure lashing not get opportunity to play the game seven. So I think it's more pressure on them guys than it is to Golden State Warriors because the playoffs is all about, you know, the the playoffs don't really start or in until the first team goes on their own court, especially with the team has homecourt advantage. So forever. It's like all right. You know, what we got it three to me? We only need to give one on the pressure is going to be on Houston. We just gotta come out there and play half on the ball and hopefully making get hot when you got the best shooters in the world. Anything can happen. He's repented NBA champion joins us on behalf Intel true VR and NBA on TNT. We'll get to more of that a little bit later rip. But my next question for you would be I want to shift over more toward the Eastern Conference. Obviously the Boston Celtics loss yesterday, and they have been eliminated. But what I'm seeing from Janta Toco in the Milwaukee Bucks. I sort of liken did a little bit to a young LeBron James a guy who you saw in Eastern Conference as he kinda rose to stardom fairly quickly, which we already knew he had that expectation, but you saw young LeBron ton of put a team on his back and get to a finals you played against that guy is their similarities between the two Janas. And LeBron right now what you're seeing these playoffs. Oh, yes. Most definitely. And I'm sad that I got a revisit that moment. When the Bronx. The only five point because this I mean, so we would save trapping like s still going to the back of my hair right now. But yes, when you think about it, you know, I think LeBron and the situation where I what what we were Detroit. We felt like like we were the the the less level of defense for Luke Bryan to get to the NBA finals, and if he got the rust and oh my goodness sky's the limit for him. And you could see him his his his career how much success he had after beating us in Janas is very similar. You know, John is has that it factor, especially when it comes to superstardom and being the main guy in the locker room to see troops. He doesn't take days off if you talk to people in organizations, and Milwaukee they gotta kick him off the court especially during holidays like he's got us their New Year's Eve and your day. Working on gay and best great, especially when a guy is so young, you know, a lot of times it takes young players to grow into that row. And especially on a young team. He got that with it. He's not trying to work out with other individuals. He's not trying to hang out with other guys. He's not trying to be cool. He's trying to win. You see him in all star game seemed like he's the only guy off our game plan hard. You know, he's the guy in all star game this trying to compete. So I don't think he has a all wits when it comes in transition, very some LeBron James. I mean, you've got to build a wall. Like, if you don't just one foot in the paint, sit down, you know. And now the game as same. So you don't have this additional bigs, no more, right? You don't have Rashi Wallace. Ben Wallace being the secur- security blanket. When you're talking about defense like you get past me and say on channel you still got a battle with the big boys. Now when you look at teams teams are going small, right? They're they're they're they're centers. Now, either the small forward or the power floored. Their power forward is usually the small forward of the two guards, you know. So soon as honest gets past the first guy, he's a lot bigger and stronger than the that that guy that's on that last last part of your defense. Right. So I mean, he's arguing on guard. Why he's my pick for the MVP NBA champion rip Hamilton joined the rich Eisen show. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich, and I'm thinking back to win your Detroit Pistons team kind of came together the NBA champion team. And I look at the game tonight in these series between Toronto in Philadelphia, and I'm gonna stick with Philadelphia because a couple of young guys, and Ben Simmons, obviously Joel Embiid when you bring in the Jimmy Butler, the Tobias Harris, and you're saying that here's some guys still developing that chemistry. How did you guys develop that chemistry kinda pretty quickly to a point where if there's some advice, you can give dwell be Ben Simmons because these guys have been so up and down in his series? And I think we expect more from them. So what advice would you give these guys in especially a game situation? Well, first of all you gotta understand that when you're in a playoffs. Right. I think Larry Brown, you always say, right? This is this cool analogy about the whole thing. He used to say are you know, what when we get to the playoffs guys. Hey, understand they already picked. They're all starting believe they are all stars over. All stars out there, right, sir. Guys. Pixar guys, aren't they already got in their mind? The votes when it comes to all MBA teams and everything else. Right. Everybody's playing for one thing right now, and that's winning the championship. So it's not about your individual success is how can you make your teammates better? And how can you be productive on the floor? Doing what you do at the best ability don't do someone else's job or you know, try to. Critique someone else out there you think play your game. And I'll put you in all all the right spot on the floor. Don't worry about all the outside noise. And when you're young team, you're young group. There's there's always a lot of outside noise. They can affect your game on a court. Right. They could be saying like all right? You know, what rolling beating Benson? But this is. You guys should be getting more shots than Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris, right? And they should be building around that that's outside noise. That cafe a young young team. I do feel like a you know, what chemistry wise they have got better over to season. But they're still not there. Some some games in. Sixers look great some games a six. All right. You know? And I think a lot of that has to be what chemistry, you know, still learning each other because they are really got probably the second best start five and in the league. And most of these guys when you talking about Jimmy and Tobias they they were out for dog on their teams like that they were running off and leaving scores. And now you're coming on the team that probably has one and most dominant players in our game. And Joel beat. I gotta get the man ball every time down floor. Right. So similar to my business thing we were good right without Rashi Wallace. But we got Russia. Well, let's man we were great like like we were on stoppable. I like, okay. Like being Chauncey then used to come pick and rolls and ten thousand like, oh, they can't double team. That's now why because they gotta worry about Russia you on on on the flares. You gotta watch. And and like, you only gotta worry about been going to the office of glass. So now, you got five guys on the court that can all play that team's gotta be aware of. So I think that if with the Sixers understand, hey, it's okay to make the hockey pass out there. It's okay for someone else to run office. It's okay. For me, maybe to come out and take five or six hundred ten points because I got three other guys on this team or four other guys that are team taking go out and give me third Virginia for so it's not all about the individuals. It's all about the team Hamilton the NBA champion joins us from Intel true VR in NBA on TV are still going to get to that in one. Second rip. But I gotta think back to your two thousand and four champion team. Again, the Detroit Pistons because they took down a dynasty in the Los Angeles Lakers. Kobe shack Karl Malone a team that people thought was a runaway with the NBA finals. You guys went in there. You mentioned it yourself for she been Chauncey Tae, Sean, and I'm looking maybe at the Houston Rockets as they are trying to take down a nother dynasty in the wars. Now mine is Kevin Durant. But the way that you guys attacked what was your mindset along with what you mentioned the outside noise. How did you leave that outside noise outside of the locker rooms will go first of all we wasn't scared. Right. Latest can be very intimidating. Wars. I mean Lakers have four hall of famers. Right. Right. But in in in our mind, we felt like we were the best five alive And and and nothing could take that away from us like and we had dog like like we were like pit bulls. Like, all right. You know, what we all felt like we came from different situations where teams gave up on like. All right. You know, what we're just going to send you to Detroit. Right. And then we all got together. And we all had that same story. We all felt like we're in the foxhole together right outside at Detroit. There's a lot of people that don't believe that we can win at all. But we just feel. So that the chemistry was right? Like, I knew Cianci's game inside and out. He knew my game inside and out. And it was weird because we're only playing together for two years then like a year and a half. Right. She came midseason. But it was a thing that we all respected each other. And we all try to protect each other. Like, we will brothers. So Rushie win letdown. Ben Wallace, so rush she had to guard, whoever right Carl Malone. He knew that art. And I got a girl Carl Malone head up, you know, because I I don't wanna let my brother down by getting fouled Trump or doing stupid plays out there getting technical out or anything like that, you know, because it would affect my brother in his job and how he does his job. Right. So it was just it was a big thing off respect, we all believe that you know, we were great like Mansholt's. He felt like we were the best back an elite from day one rush even been thought they were the best, you know, front court in the NBA. They sound felt like he can anybody out there on the floor. Right. It took a step back offensively. So we can be great. So the team can be so which is all about sacrificing guys understood each other. And we just went let each other down. We felt like we were best. We didn't go and say are you know, what? The Lakers are the best beta cream of the crop. Not pistons is that's what we believe. NBA champion rip Hamilton joined the rich Eisen show. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich. You're join us on behalf of Intel true VR NBA on TV are tell us about it. Well, yes, it's cool until sports brings fans closer to the game through virtual reality. Which is which is awesome. So you can kind of view the game through Oculus goggles win. You can use the Samsung device also to kind of you to game. And what it does is kinda brings the experience the NBA experience of going to the game inside your house. So you can kind of sit on your couch. You can wear your pajamas. You can be outside. You know, wherever there's wifi capabilities in viewed a game feel like you're there on the floor watching a game. I always say when I was a kid. I wish I had something like this because my parents couldn't afford to spend as much money they would on the floor on the floor seat, and the goggles allow you to get that experience there, you know, you kind of see the stuff from like angles that you wouldn't be able to see on the normal telecast. And I'm and I'm and I'm able to. Me and Stephanie ready. My co host we're able to direct you through that, you know, through that transition all the different camera angles in giving you a more like fun in creative experience when it comes to, you know, talk in the game. And it's not just all about analytics, we're kinda like bringing you in the locker room and just having a conversation which through storytelling and to tell you exactly what's going on in a game too. So it's it's a fun fun experience. Also able to access in game data in game data and free and is available to down low from the Oculus store. Correct. Yes. Yes. You can go in August or you can download the NBA TNT VR at and once download that you go to the local cable described prescriber. And then you put your information there. And you've got it, right? I read I rip. I appreciate the time. And definitely going to check it out. And I look forward to talking to you soon and get some more your thoughts may appreciate it. And also to to add that I couldn't allow Kobe Bryant to beat me. Somebody to add that in your trust me since you beat them. The Lakers won a couple of championships. But really, I mean, I I know we gotta take a break here. But just in ten seconds with what's going on in Los Angeles with the coaching search in ten seconds. How do you describe that? Well, like, I said, it's a mess in a sad because the Lakers are probably best. And when you got magic stepped down. He's got to do not accept the job. I mean, we're talking about LeBron James being MVP and then being able to be in the top three seat. And if he doesn't get hurt if it's a whole different or that is the whole different connotation. Just a mess. All this stuff all came about. I appreciate the time as always catch him, would you? So you're third. That's repayments an NBA champion joining us on behalf of Intel sports true VR an NBA on TNT VR's. Well, we'll get to that. And some more of the Lakers saga the Lakers drama and kind of get a little forecast for tonight's game sixes between blazers nuggets and seventy Sixers. Raptors more on the rich Eisen show. Kirk Morrison and filling in for rich. Hello guys that semi fighter jail. Senate. Check out my podcast. You're welcome with jail. Sudden every Wednesday and Friday right here at podcast one. We cover the latest in mixed martial arts and everything else. Going on in the world of sport, listen free. The your welcome with jail, son and exclusively available at podcast one dot com and on the podcast one app. If you love the show share with a friend and leave us a rating and review. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of AP news headlines, right after this podcast. Honest. Three seconds pay Dr plays and Helo Eastern Conference finals the books advance beating the Boston Celtics and five four games to one winning four straight and beating the Celtics for the second time in franchise history at a playoff series, one sixteen ninety one is the final. Congratulations to the Milwaukee Bucks as they head onto the Eastern Conference finals taking on the we're still awaiting bet challenger, and that's the the question academically throw it. It's you guys Kirk Morrison here, by the way, filling in for rich rich Eisen show. We do have two games tonight. What do you think name sixes? We have what is it? It's raptors at seventy Sixers. We have nuggets at trailblazers. I believe right. Yes. Nuggets blaze. Two great games games. Kind kinda weird series. What you got to play the match up game. If I'm the Milwaukee Bucks or as a fan now. Well, let's play the fan game fan game. If you're a fan like us who do you want what conference Eastern Conference final match matchup? You wanna see more D wanna see bucks raptors or books? Seventy Sixers from a star stand. Fly star on a star standpoint. What the Sixers in there? They more SARS. Okay. And they also have bigger personalities. So we all know that Jimmy Butler thing at the beginning of the season forces way out of Minnesota. We've all seen. Joel embiid. Joel Embiid and read all the things that he does on social media. He does a lot of talking after the before. And after the games Tobias, Harris, great player, Ben Simmons. We know dates occurred ashen. You look at the raptors who don't quite what it is one of the best players in the NBA. And we know he's got a weird laugh, and that's about it. And you know, he has no other teammates. And he's got Drake. That's pretty much all we know about them that that is true. So the raptors second best player may not even be a player. It could be Drake. Right. Yeah. Well, he's the one that we know biggest star is gonna be no like nobody really knows about Siaka. I know that he's he's a young talent guy. We don't know much about Mexico state aggies, by the way, Lowry, we know likes the no show and big game. Right. So I think from a star point we wanna see Philadelphia. But I think if you're talking about a basketball standpoint, yes, I want to watch as much as Leonard as I possibly can. Because he is a top five player in the week. Interesting. Interesting. I'm I'm a little torn between a think like kind of to your point you wanna see Philadelphia. But at the same time, I can see Philadelphia making a conference final and just completely laying an egg. Yes. But I can also see them going to a conference final in really just hitting on all cylinders. They could get blown out at home. Night. We don't really know which Sixers team is going to show up. It's really all on Embiid shoulders. And if he's healthy enough if he's motivated enough or into the game enough, I he can be such a great player at times. And then other times he won't have five points in a pivotal game five, I think it's really weird this guy. That's my dilemma, you know, or do I want more raptors, you know, the fear of the north, right? The north. It's it's Toronto north isn't to be feared because they've gone. A no showed in the playoffs each of the last couple of seasons. Do you wanna see Drake in a conference final or possibly an NBA? Final. Really? He's just gonna keep shouting out people. We like our star who we know now is going to die because she's got the Drake curse honor. All wow. Wow. You went there. Already the Drake curse had to. It's a real thing. Yeah. That's that's an interesting kind of look at it. I just think that Milwaukee to me is a team. That's we knew they were going to be good. But I didn't know if they were going to be this good. I don't know. They got us. We'll take this big of a step right now. Am I still learning the players for the Milwaukee Bucks? Yes. I mean, we are was Yoenis Middleton. All we'll brogden. We we knew those. But now you're starting to watch the whole team. And you're like oh Lopez. Okay. Yeah. These these guys actually pretty good. I didn't expect him to be this. Good. So yeah, they pay really well as a team together. I guess my question for you is when you look at the raptors, and you look at the seventy Sixers do you think they can give Milwaukee a series? Can they beat the box or the Milwaukee just such an overwhelming favourite to come out of the east now? Hottest tough. I don't want to be a prisoner at the moment. Right. But you're watching Janas, you know, onto Toco, and it was it was that was the question not presented to rip Hamilton who we had on in the last segment was he had to play against a similar kind of, you know, stature of a guy in LeBron James like LeBron scored I forgot about that twenty phrase's twenty five consecutive points. And it was just LeBron James beating the basically Detroit Pistons by himself just dragging the Cleveland Cavaliers to the NBA final in maybe a finals in basically got swept by San Antonio. And I feel like we're going down a similar path. But this time is different because John is bringing this team on his back, and he gets to a NBA finals vs warriors rockets nuggets or Spurs, man. That's I I'm not. I've been a prisoner of a moment. But I really feel that Jonathan their team and building hosmer has done a great job. John, really? It was to apply. I remember last year. I had a chance to see them. This is Jason Kidd is the head coach night before the NFC championship game. Okay in Philadelphia. And I watched the seventy Sixers up close and watched no Janas didn't play that night. But you're like man, they got some players they got some untapped potential. An S book coaches can do they get the most out of guys who are your role players and Janas has some great role players run that I feel I he doesn't always have to be at his best. He's not shooting three pointers. He's driving to the basket. So to me, I think that they're the favorites. Obviously, they're the one seed they're the favorites. And I don't I don't know if Toronto is really what's resulted a poll question, by the way. Can we get to that real quick? Yeah. Sure. Poll question today. Guys, look at it. If Kevin Durant out who's the favorite to win the title through the warriors on there. Of course, the bucks. Now, they're in the Eastern Conference finals and the field bucks lead the way forty two percent while warriors thirty two percent field. You know, everybody else twenty eight oh, man. Get ready for a lot of what is snap shots cameos of Aaron Rodgers, right? Yeah. Right. I mean, he's at every game. He's a minority owner minority owner. So let's get ready to see a lot of Aaron Rodgers everybody. I think it's cool throughout history. There's always been a moment. The superstar players have their playoff moment where they take the leap, and they put themselves in the top ten know in the pantheon discussion. I think we're seeing that right now with honest like he could be MVP. He could lead his team to the finals that I think we're seeing a guy that's going to be in our MBA lives for the next fifteen years. Like, he taking this leap to saying. Hey, look here. I am. He's announcing his presence with authority. I am here. I am Jaanus. And I think it's pretty cool. 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8: Bloodlines

Motive

36:31 min | 11 months ago

8: Bloodlines

"This episode contains explicit language and a racial slur on bleeped. When he was growing up Derek Black remembers that every thanksgiving. His Dad would set a couple of extra chairs at the table from the time that I was fairly young. He was doing outreach to local skinhead leaders and people who he thought were were especially promising that he would have over for Thanksgiving dinner try to talk to them about their worldview. Derek is the son of Don Black. The former clansmen and founder of storm front the Internet's first major hate site. There in. Florida. Wasn't just for his parents and siblings. It was also home to sort of wider ideological family people who are in the movement like his Godfather. David Duke and many more. There'd be people who had led the populist party. There'd be people who were involved with running his website who are visiting town like this idea that his main network, where other people who are advocating nationalisms, who's a Turkey on the table and or talking about the news and Yeah Tola? Derek publicly renounced his family's racist beliefs in two thousand thirteen. But as a child of the movement, he understands it in a way few others do. Talking to him was enlightening, but it also puzzled me because as I've come to understand how the white supremacist movement has spent decades mainstreaming it's believes it's felt to me like there must be millions of Americans that are involved in it. But that's completely different from how Derek Black thinks about it but thirty thousand people seems about right to me. Just thirty thousand the people who are really involved in it and they know they're fault. They would answer that they are they marry other people who they meet it white nationalist and they have other white nationalist, babysit their kids and sometimes they try to move to towns where there are other white nationalist around subscribe to the white nationalist publications and they log onto nationals websites. Understanding the movement in this way as a small but tightly knit network has helped me as I've tried to tie up one loose end that is bothered me this whole year. What happened to Clark Martell? Clark Martell was the Neo Nazi who mysteriously appeared in nineteen eighties Chicago and revived an aging white supremacist movement with young recruits. His whereabouts. are a true mystery. As I've searched for him. I've learned much deeper lessons about the connections that hold this movement together and how it survives through generations. From WBZ Chicago I'm Odette UCF, and this is motive. bloodlines. Spoke with a lot of people who knew Clark as a Neo Nazi skinhead leader in Chicago some of them even knew him well. But none of them knew anything about his origins. Hello. I, was only able to learn about that from Clark's older brother. I still don't want people to know he was my brother. and. We grow up in billings Montana on the south side of billings Montana and which is the rough side of town. So we were. Close growing up High School Age we kind of diverged. Clark was the middle child of five. What was home life like for you all. Home Life I would say. The parents didn't get along really well, but they stayed together. The home was. Kinda Ramshackle House. No, bathroom. A lot of the time no running water. He's an outhouse. Basically the family just survive done the father's social security payments. Are Father had a problem with alcohol would often come home drunk and then. Our mother would. Spend hours are rainy him criticizing him and he would just sit there drawn cloud she tongue-lashed him. The parents troubles in the poverty affected Clark. Later in his life, he told people in Chicago that he had quote a bad childhood. Despite growing up in a neighborhood with many black and Latino Families Clark resented his mom for quote fighting for minorities, rights. In a family that was. Against the at Phnom War I think it was pro civil rights and I, know at one point he. Rejected that idea that the really did like the hippies really just like peace and love. Nonviolence. Crowd. Martin Luther King Gandhi, and was kind of rejection of his own family in that way that he failed his family wimps. In High School Clark became obsessed with Mine Kant and he later told a probation investigator in Chicago about how he had once hung a Nazi flag on his bedroom, Wall. He said his mother tore it down and screamed violently at him. Clark's brothers said, the family didn't really think anything was seriously wrong with Clark until a few weeks after Clark turned eighteen, he was arrested for attempting to firebomb his high school. He was found innocent by reason of mental disease or defect. After that he was. Put in a mental hospital for a while. And then it's soon as the. Convinced. The Mental Hospital people that he was fine. He headed straight to Chicago. Heart. Marto showed up and. He was a on our mailing list for quite some time. When Clark rejected his family and moved to Illinois he went to a man named Arthur Jones. At that time Jones was with a Neo Nazi organization called the National Socialist White People's Party. He's a Holocaust denier and ran unsuccessfully as a Republican candidate for Congress this year for time Marquel lived in my headquarters. In Troy Street. and. I couldn't. Abide him very long either. It was during his time with Jones that Clark started meeting people, he connected with white supremacists from other organizations. But there was drama where the jail a couple of times because he kept getting in fights with the with the locals there. So finally we said. My tell you gotta go. So he left organization. And next thing you know he started this Chicago area's skinhead. All. Right. Clark lived with so many people, Arthur Jones and then with some skinheads he recruited and even though many described him as quote crazy none of them really knew how serious mental illnesses were. His criminal case files made it clear. Clark was diagnosed with manic depression and obsessive compulsive disorder. He took drugs to treat schizophrenia depression and one for bipolar. Mania. During one prison stint, he reportedly tried to castrate himself. Clerk was also evaluated and found to suffer from alcoholism. His brother told me that their mom was diagnosed as mildly schizophrenic and their dad drank heavily. Even if Clarke had run away from his blood family. It seemed parts of them remained with him. Also among Clark's case files, there's a handwritten letter he sent to a judge when he was awaiting trial in nineteen ninety-three for defacing a synagogue. In it, he wrote that he had dueling personalities. He called one of them, the demon and the other the death's head. He said they both drive him to do destructive and violent things. He wrote both these counter personalities are killing me and this hate crimes businesses further proof of it. At the end of the letter, he writes. Please, help me get a simple lobotomy so I can live a halfway normal life. Clark lived such a marginal existence. He mostly survived on social security disability payments and he lacked stable housing. And yet, he yielded such enormous influence over the lives of young people he recruited. I've sometimes thought the reason is just that when it came to the movement, he was all in. He acted like he had nothing to lose not reputation not economic standing. Not Family. Few today Willingly Acknowledge Their Association with Clark, his ex-girlfriend's denied knowing him his own brother didn't want us to use his name because he's ashamed of what Clark became. But Adria Right Barsky has good memories of Clark was assigned enough for. Years Him staying with us and then going back to jail than stay with us they go. Her stepdad was a Neo Nazi skinhead who let Clark stay with them for seven or so years. Adria says Clark was her babysitter and friend when he first moved him with us in Chicago I was probably like five. Sex. You was always just like this big. Goofy guy who would sleep on the floor in his? Doc Martens with his bomber jacket draped over him like Dracula. Your doodle as I. Merged see like. That's more comfortable like this. As a kid Adria didn't know or understand everything Clark was up to he enlisted her help in putting together a white power zine and in her mind it was just glue stick and collage making time. T-, to me was always super caring attentive when I would you like Oh little doodles you know like finger pants whatever he'd be like that's so awesome. You know you're doing such a great job. Now. That's why I'd want to do more and I want to be more creative and. It's really Hard to come to grips with carrying about somebody was you find out later on was not the greatest person? Adria is still making sense of Clark's presence in her life and of the family of white supremacists that raised her. It was complicated. Because Adria is half Mexican they would tell people I was Italia. Adria recalls one time that Clark was with them and they had other people over to other Neo Nazi skinheads. I remember somebody had said something about me being Talian and then as A. Child you know my insurrections be like Oh you're wrong and so I said no, I'm Mexican I can't remember who it was. They just turn like looked at like my Stepdad Clark was like you have. effing. SPIC in house. And it was just instant. Where they just grabbed him and just dragged him out of the apartment. I definitely have a lot of psychological damage that I've been working through for years. They never directly said, oh. You're subhuman but looking in the mirror I'm like. I have brown hair and Brown eyes you know like. I'm not worth much to them. But blood is thicker than water. So. I just try to let it go. Over the years, he stayed with Adrian Family Clark's behaviour became more erratic. Eventually her mom said, Clark, couldn't come around anymore. Adria remembers feeling sad when he left. I. Think maybe he was just always searching for family. I definitely feel like with my family like he was a part of the family and I hope that he eventually got that. I, do I do I do hope happy i. hope he found what it was looking for. Clerks trail went cold in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven. His last recorded earnings are from that year and the last entry on his lengthy rap sheet was an arrest in July of that year for drinking on the public way. At something we were talking. And she had mentioned and this was when I was younger about him having a daughter who was around my age what was the last time that you heard from Clark? Was About Nineteen, ninety seven or so somewhere in there where He had done out of prison. He he said he was going to go to Texas to find his daughter and his wife or ex wife. And that's the last their. Last correspondence ever from Clark was a postcard. Astronaut. And it came from Texas. And he said. He was going to Texas to become an astronaut with that. Was it like never heard from them again? Oh. My mother believe he was murdered what I understand from a former associate of mine. Apparently, he couldn't keep his hand off some guy's wife and And he ended up getting killed. Texas. Next up. Texas. There's a lot going on right now around the world around the country, but also right around the corner in your community. So we're trying something new the team behind all things considered is teaming up with your local station for a new daily podcast called consider this we go beyond the headlines to keep you informed about what's happening in your community right alongside the most important national stories so you can make sense of the day. The best information I got about what happened to Clark came from his sister she declined to be recorded. But. Here's what she told me. In December two, thousand, three, six years after Clark disappeared she received a phone call. It was from a US S.. Postal Service inspector. He told her that he had been investigating a case that involved a man named Carl. I. The postal inspector told her that in his investigation he was told that I had boasted about committing to killings and one of the victims was named Clark. Martell. There is nobody there is no death certificate. But these were the outlines of a jigsaw puzzle. and. So I started searching for the pieces that fit. The first big break was when I realized I wasn't looking for Carl, I F. I. R. S.. T.. I was looking for Carl Edward I F. U. E. R. S. T.. On. A Tuesday afternoon in early November two, thousand three. I walked into a bank in. Cullman Alabama he was there to deposit a check. The bank teller assisting him completed the transaction. Then after he walked out. She turned to a wanted poster hanging on the bank wall and tore it down. It was a poster of the Brown haired thirty-seven-year-old man she had just served wanted for mail theft and bank fraud. Would followed was by every account, an epic chase as many as twenty squad cars from the City County and state as well as city police helicopter pursued I as he fled down highways in a gold colored van. I. Was also shooting at police as he drove. The pursuit ended when his car crashed in a ravine. Police found him with a bullet to his head a coroner determined it was self inflicted. So the man who was rumored to have killed, Clark Martell died in late two, thousand, three in a police chase. When he died I was wanted for his scheme that crossed into twenty states and spanned seven years it involved making and pocketing cash from counterfeit checks. Ultimately. I was believed to have passed over one and a half million dollars in fraudulent checks. Investigators searched fierce residents after he died. I had been living on a two and a half Acre ranch in a small town in the far northeast corner of Texas called Sims. The homeless crammed with stolen checks counterfeiting equipment a swastika mouse pad and pro Hitler Anti Black Anti. Jewish literature. There were also over one hundred, thousand rounds of ammunition. There's an article I found from a trade publication called electric utility week that covered fierce death and the search of his home. Near the bottom, the lead investigator said, they were also looking into reports that I quote killed a couple of people. That investigator from the postal inspection service is named Thomas. Pappas, he's the source of the story that Carl I murdered Clark Martell. Pappas suffered a stroke around a decade ago that left him with a Faiza it means he has trouble communicating. So I couldn't speak with him directly like I said I. Unfortunately think disposed of a lot when we moved here about a year ago but I did find one file with you know pictures and a little bit of his notes but I did speak to pappas his. Wife Janet who searched through her husband's files to see what else we might be able to learn about Karl Edward I, and he has here in his notes I spoke with his common law wife and advised her of his death according to her she has been with him for seven years. But knew him as Richard Hamilton they have a seven year old boy named get this Carl Edward. My name currently is Carl Edward Data Carl Edward doubt it is the son of Karl Edward I. There is a photo out there somewhere in the world and it's a group of KKK members standing there in their robes but then on the very sight of it, there's a little like six year old holding a paper plate with a hotdog ANA. That's me call south. It was only seven when his father died and even though his father was involved in his life taught him to read right ride a bike it turns out. He didn't really know him in fact, he didn't even know his real name yeah, we knew him as Richard Hamilton until he died, he was Richard Hamilton Computer Repairman to us. Carl's mother is a woman named Suzy Haiqa. She's originally from Illinois. And she's also the mother of Clark mortels daughter. There were several people in Illinois. Who told us? They'd heard Clark was killed by a man in Texas in a love. Triangle. And when I found, Carl doubt it. I could confirm that there was some sort of triangle here. Clark Martell Carl I who is rumored to have murdered. Clark. And Suzy AK- who'd had children by both men? Carl Dowsett says he was shocked to learn from reading. News reports that his dad had stolen so much money. Because the house film more like a shack. That's why I also wondered is there another family? Is there anything else that he put that towards because nothing there was nothing left for that and it's not that I would want that but I would want to know what did he do with that? After his dad died Carl doubt it and his mom moved into the home his dad had lived in. The one that federal investigators apparently searched to recover some of what I had stolen. I remember he had this collection of pickled vegetables. In a closet. But when going through it, they had little things of foil hidden between the vegetables filled with cash. Oh my gosh. So. You'd find. Sorry. So you found like like aluminum foil packets you're saying like in between Inigo, shores of pickled vegetables. Curl. Dowse. It said that after his dad died his life got harder he said his half brothers started bullying him. Any personally began to reject the hate filled beliefs of the movement. Carl left. Texas as a teen defin- out high school with a relative in Oklahoma. That relative was his half sister. The daughter of Clark Martell. I reached out to Clark's daughter. She did not agree to an interview and she asked that we leave her name out of it so. I told Carl. Dow Fit about the claim that Carl I had murdered Clark. Or put another way. That his dad may have murdered his half sisters dad. Wow I'm sorry I'm just kind. that. Astounds. ME. I. I can't deny it or say it's true. But I never thought about that I I never personally met her dad. I. Didn't even know who her dad was. Wow So, now I'm kind of scared about the land. My mom still lives at that house with with her husband. She she lives in a mobile home on the land now. But we'll how. I'm very curious now. I also reached out to his mom suzy several times for an interview. The first time she ignored me but sent a message to Christian Peach Cellini the former Neo Nazi skinhead who worked with us on this podcast. She challenged how well Christian really knew Clark. And she signed off her message with a number eighty eight. In the movement code for Heil Hitler. When I reached out to Susie a second time she denied knowing Clark Martell Carl I and the name Richard Hamilton, which was first Elliot's. When I sent her copies of legal documents as evidence of her connections she responded with a bizarre claim that the person on those documents must have been her mom. Her mom has a completely different name. Carl doubt. It told me about how his dad met his mom. It was when I was released from Federal Prison in Leavenworth Kansas in early nineteen ninety-six. The story that I was told over the years is that she was dating his friend who is also in prison with him and her boyfriend had asked Hey, will you give my friend a ride he's getting out so she gave my dad ride nine months later Carl doubt it was born. It turned out understanding fierce experience at Leavenworth prison. Helped me make more sense of this complicated story. Most. Importantly, it seems to be the place where he was radicalized. Investigators who were pursuing I before his death noted that while I was incarcerated, he befriended a member of a notorious white terrorist group called the order. I don't know if Suzy's boyfriend at Leavenworth or Susie herself were affiliated with the order. But I have wondered. Let me slow you down because there's a lot happening here and there is much to say. Kathleen Balu is a history professor at the University of Chicago and author of bring the war home, the white power movement and paramilitary. America there was a huge. To try to connect white women, especially quote unquote eligible movement white women with incarcerated members of the White Power Movement. This is very, very common in groups like the order where leaders promised things like multiple lives will be awaited you. When you come out of prison, there is the idea that polygamy and multiple wives would be permitted to kind of soldiers of the highest order and there was a series of pen pal campaigns and personal ads and things like that. That were specifically directed at connecting white women with people who are incarcerated. I've also wondered if Carl Firsts Crime Spree was inspired in some ways by what the order did. They rob armored cars in Yucaipa. California. That killed the radio talk show host Alan Berg people like Henry. Kissinger and Norman Lear were next on the orders list. What they did was carry out a string of moralize crimes meaning that they would hit things that they thought were immoral targets like porn stores or like they tried to bomb a game movie theater because they thought that that was immoral and then they also hit banks which they also thought were part of a government conspiracy they believed that the whole system was controlled by Jewish outsiders order highsted armored cars for nearly four million dollars. Their biggest hit was a of a brinks armored car in. It's a really significant story for the White Power Movement because what they did was travel around the country distributing that money to other white power groups. This is not just about let's take the money and have a big party. You know this is about we need to mobilize resources for the race for, and there are several copycat groups that keep doing this after the main kind of prosecutions of the order in the late eighties. When I look at what Karl I was doing after he left prison I, wonder if he was maybe one of those copycats. The postal inspector who led the first case did share publicly that quote? It is possible that fierce maybe using some of the proceeds from his crimes to help fund white supremacist groups. Investigators also believed I may have been harbored by Christian identity churches as he was on his crime spree. Those are group's in the movement that ascribed to a racist and antisemitic theology. Your ties to Christian identity groups may have been strengthened by the family joined in Sims Texas. Suzy's twin sister had had a child with a man named James. Wikstroem Wikstroem is a prominent. In the White Supremacist Movement, he was a leader in the posse comitatus and the Christian. Identity Church. There's one more interesting parallel between how Carl fierce operated and the activities of the order. After, he left prison, I was using an alias Richard Hamilton. Investigators found Social Security Card for Richard Hamilton in I, Van when he died. Okay. So yes. This is the correct. Richard Hamilton. Richard Hamilton has lived mostly in the Pacific northwest it turned out he did recall having problems when he moved from Oregon to Washington and wanted a new drivers license and they said that there was. A suspension or something on it out of Texas I said well. I've never been to Texas so I don't know why there would be any anything went on with that. So so I guess I guess what I'm wondering is like I mean he had like all your identifying information. It seems do you have any idea how it might have gotten to him? I don't. Count. I don't it was absolutely news to me at the time and it wasn't really clear on Helmich of my information that they actually had. Okay. So let me back up to the stolen identity thing you Chicago Professor Kathleen Blue in paramilitary culture more broadly but especially in the white power movement, there's a ton of information about identity theft in the eighties. The order was very, very interested in how to get false identification. They would do things like go to cemeteries in the Pacific northwest because those activists were based in Washington Oregon Northern Idaho and they would look for infants who had died in childhood and then use those names and birthdays to then falsify Eddie that they could use. That's not what happened to Richard. Hamilton. But the fact that he was in the Pacific northwest where the movement was harvesting identities is striking. I started down this rabbit hole because I was looking for Clark Martell. But I haven't found him. I can't say for sure that Clark was murdered by Carl I I can't even say for sure that Clark is dead. The thing I never expected was that along this journey I would trip on a whole scheme that reveals how interwoven the movement really is and how sex blood and money help it to survive. I told, Christian. Peach leany what I found So. That's our. That's where we are. This is some deep shit. Christian has been trying to find Clark for more than twenty. Years. He wants to know what happened to the man that recruited him and changed his life. He never got this far. And he never imagined. It would lead to big names in the movement including people from the order I used to write to all of you guys in prison richards. Guitar Gear Yarbrough David Lane This is some really very deeply rooted white supremacist royalty stuff this weird. I was not aware of. The movement is strong growing stronger and getting bigger but Kathleen blue says, that's because we as a society have never recognized it for what it is. Tight. Knit Cohesive And violent. That same social movement we have never confronted it as a society. There has never been a cohesive court prosecution that really drained this movement of its resources and power. There has never been a moment of journalistic understanding where people said. Oh. This is a huge problem we have to mobilize to stop it. It's taken decades to address even incrementally the ways that this movement. Recruits people, and then carries out acts of violence, and that's been true in every sphere of response but we have not done is systematically as culture. Reckon with the fact that there is a very small but very violent white power movement that is today still wreaking havoc on our electoral systems and attempting mass violence I. Think it's in everyone's interest to take this story seriously. I've spent a year talking to Nazis reading some of the most vile literature anyone's written. At times the darkness has felt overwhelming. But it is also helped me to learn. That hate starts small. A few months after the end of the civil war it was just six confederate veterans who formed a secret society called the Ku Klux. Klan. In. One thousand nine, hundred, Eighty s Chicago only ten or so young people joined a Neo Nazi skinhead crew. Out of often division never even numbered one hundred people. These groups grow bigger and spread their ideas when we're not vigilant when we don't recognize their violence for what it is, we ignore or downplay or even platform them as some sort of entertainment. Understanding how this hate movement starts organizers and grows an important step in recognizing and resisting it. It may take generations to undo its harm. But it can be done. because. There are so many more people who stand against hate then for it. Motive is a production of WBZ Chicago I'm at Yussef The producer is Colin McNulty our executive producer is Kevin Dawson story consultant. Christian Pizza leany. Our intern is Hannah boomer shine Joe Dassault makes the show original music, Stephen Jackson, and Jesse Dukes along with Andrew, meriwether and Sam Clap. We couldn't have made this show without the Keane input of Kate Kayhan. Alexander Solomon Shannon Heffernan Natalie More Rob Wildeboer Jesse Dukes, Stephen, Jackson Candice Michelle Khan, and Patrick Smith. Thanks also to Betsy Burger Victor Lim Cindy Abbott Steve Mandel. Brendan Ban Zach and Steve Edwards. and. Special. Thanks to listeners whose financial support of WBZ made this podcast. Possible.

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Clinton prosecutor Ken Starr to defend Trump

Global News Podcast

25:59 min | 1 year ago

Clinton prosecutor Ken Starr to defend Trump

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service Service. PODCASTS are supported by advertising. This is a global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Jeanette Jalil and in the early hours of Saturday. Stay the eighteenth of January. These are main stories. Donald Trump unveils a high powered legal defense team including Kenneth Starr who helped to impeach Bill Clinton for his own trial trial. The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau demands. Iran pay compensation for the shooting down of a plane with many Canadians on board it. Also in this podcast Affair Leo. Dodge throughout The loot Brazil's Minister of culture a has been sacked after posting video in which he used parts of a speech by the Nazi propaganda chief. Joseph Gurgles and UAE apples lightning iphone. Cable could soon be outlawed in the European Union but first we we begin in the US but Donald Trump has named a formidable legal team to defend him at his impeachment trial in the US Senate. They include a prosecutor who helped to impeach impeach president. Bill Clinton more than twenty years ago and a celebrity defense lawyer. Our Washington correspondent Alina Bull. told me more about them. It's been announced that Kenneth Starr and Alan Dershowitz again to be among his legal team in the coming weeks for the Senate trial of his Kenneth Starr of course us Yes he was a a High Court judge An appeals court judge and Solicitor General. But people know him for being the independent counsel in the Whitewater investigation into Bill Clinton and ultimately Because he uncovered the fact that Bill Clinton had lied under under oath about the nature of his relationship with Monica Lewinsky which ultimately led to his impeachment in terms of Alan Dershowitz Someone on who is an extremely high profile character in the legal world having represented Mike Tyson. OJ Simpson and most recently Jeffrey Epstein as well who of course was convicted sex offender so yes real heavyweights that are going to bring sort of. TV ready Appeal as opposed to his Legal team going forward as you say real heavyweights just twenty four hours ago. We had that very solemn swearing in ceremony. How are expecting expecting the impeachment trial to unfold over the coming days and weeks? Yes you're right to say. It was a solemn ceremony yesterday. In which the the chief justice was sworn in as the judge effectively the the guy of seeing all of these proceedings and then each of the hundred senators was sworn born in to be the jurors for this trial that trial though gets underway properly on Tuesday. That's when you hear the opening arguments and we could have some activities activity Joe Right on the first day because as yet we don't know As to whether witnesses again to be called during this trial so they could be a vote as early as day. One of the trial. Proper on Tuesday where senators will have to vote as to whether they want witnesses to be heard or not. Democrats want witnesses to be brought forward. Republicans and Donald Trump done so. We'll see what happens. There Lima Bull. It's been more than a week. Since Iran accidentally shot down down a Ukrainian airliner and embattled leadership is still struggling to deal with the consequences. Many of the one hundred seventy six people on board that plane had been on their way to Canada and its prime minister. Justin Trudeau has demanded that Iran pay compensation to the families of those who died while at the same time outlining how Canada plan to help them. As a first step the government will give families of the victims who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents twenty five thousand thousand dollars per victim to assist with their immediate needs such as funeral arrangements and travel. I want to be clear. We expect Iran to compensate. These families. Mr Does call came. As the Canadian foreign minister met his Iranian counterpart in in Amman. The two countries don't have diplomatic relations correspondent in Toronto Jessica. Murphy told me more about Canada's demands they're really five key demands that that would be full access for officials to provide consular sers. His of course Canada did cut diplomatic ties with around in two thousand twelve which has caused some hurdles goals in terms of access. And things like that. They're also called for help for families for things like victim identification repatriation of remains. They want a full and transparent investigation into the crash accountability for those responsible and of course assurances that Iran takes full responsibility and that does include the compensation for victims who even Canada may be offering. Some immediate funds for for Canadian families of Canadian citizens and permanent residency do still want Iran on to compensate the families and finally all know one thing that Mr Trudeau brought up today in his news. Conference is the black boxes. Apparently the black boxes on on the flight were both badly damaged. There are very few countries that can do eight. Quick and full analysis of those boxes France is one of those an has offered to do so and Mr to has urged Iran to consider sending those boxes to France. So you've taken us through the issues a lot of them to be resolved as as you said. was that much progress on these issues. In the talks between the Canadian and Iranian foreign ministers in Amman will what the government is saying. I think this is sort of what I'm hearing hearing from Mr Trudeau and for example or Foreign Affairs Minister Foss Westfield shopping as well is that Iran has been helpful has been cooperating. Certainly for example We do have investigators from the Transportation Safety Board of Canada who have received visas for example and are on the ground in in Tehran. Right now They have been willing to assist with things like repeatriation. We do know for example. That twenty families have requested that their loved ones be returned to Canada. Mr Trudeau said that there was can expect more news in a few days on that. Some of those loved ones could be returning to Canada in the next week or so so there has been some help some corporation in terms of with Iranian officials. And I think the message really is is that they want that to continue and they want to ensure that they that everything is done in a very transparent open way. No hurdles are placed on any of those demands Jessica Murphy now to one of the most read stories on the BBC News Technology Page from the last twenty four hours. Yes iphone charges or more specifically the lightening cable by apple which could soon be outlawed in the European Union. The cables are used to charge and sink many apple devices but members embers of the European Parliament have cold for the enforced. Use of a single universal charger for all mobile devices with the details. Here's our technology correspondent responded semi climbing if you have like idea books full of old charges in cables in your house. You don't know what to do then you're not allowed. Apparently fifty one thousand thousand tons of rubbish per year in the form of tables. Now what's happening here is the European Commission is cooling for all the different charges charges that we have throughout different devices. And that's whether you have an iphone or android device whether you have an IPAD or a different form of tablet you may well need a different connecting charge to charge it up. It wants to just be one uniform charter that we can use across all of our devices. Now this is a really positive Reaction Online people are really quite excited about this because for a long time that loads back in two thousand nine you believe there was thirty different kinds of these charges. Now it down to three but apple has its own which is called the lightening cable. And that's what the EU has said. It doesn't want any more thinks apple should use as a standard USB cable which is all the devices to now as you can imagine. Apple's not best pleased about this it says it would stifle innovation and and to be a pain for consumers klay whether if this ever goes ahead I would have to. We make apple devices just Europe so that we can charge them properly or whether it would maybe do away with the chargeable together and stick to complete yoga to oil is charging but a lot of people still you know it is crazy if if you think about it makes no sense that we can't just charge any device with any charge ya now the EU has to have a vote on this European Commission hasn't even set a date that that is not likely to happen anytime soon. But it's been a massive point of conversation. I think lots of people who are frustrated. You get to work and you've forgotten your charger asked your colleague could bar and then it does work because the same device Zoe Kleinman one of the best known names in Hollywood is to vanish from cinema screens. Disney has announced that noth the films will be released. Under the name of twentieth century. Fox Disney acquired the company from Rupert Murdoch last year. Here's our arts correspondent Vincent Dowd. It's one of the best known pieces of film music. Alfred Newman's twentieth century Fox fanfare eighty seven years old. But still in use. This is not going to disappear but from now on opening titles will refer not to Twentieth Century Fox but to twentieth century studios and and Fox searchlight will become searchlight pictures. The hungarian-born William Fox opened the Fox Film Corporation in Nineteen fifteen so V.. Decision Vision to drop the name now is a big one yukon as a dangerous place. Buck the first film with a twentieth thank Tree Studios logo will be the call of the wild starring Harrison Ford and a big dog. It's probably not coincidence. The film is warmhearted family. Fair which could carry the Disney logo last year The Walt Disney Company Bought Twentieth Century Fox and other interests belonging to Rupert Murdoch. For more than seventy billion dollars Disney wants to make clear. Their company isn't now related to Mr Murdoch's Fox Corporation or to folks Fox News so they've dropped one of the most historic names in cinema history. Vincent Dowd reporting now. To one of the most heavily guarded sites in and China the Forbidden City in Beijing is a complex of old imperial palaces and has huge cultural and historical importance is also usually usually thronged with visitors at this time of year so many social media users in China flabbergasted when a woman posted pictures of herself and her large luxury call in a seemingly empty Forbidden City. The images quickly went viral. I ask thought China enlist carry on. Why they'd call so much outrage well because it's in the former imperial palace so this was a protected area that it was the residence of China's royalty going back centuries? It's a heavily guarded area. It's close to government buildings it's close to Tiananmen Square where we know the nine hundred eighty nine massacre happened. So there's heavy surveillance in this area and and a lot of questions about how a young woman could have taken her huge luxury car into the Forbidden City and taken photographs graphs very much. Like you'd see in these kind of rich kids of instagram style And this one's not taken down her post. What do we know about? We don't know a lot of the moment I mean there are questions online. People saying they think that she was. She's clearly wealthy and she must have a lot of privilege their questions about whether she's tight sued the government A lot of local media have been running around trying to find out information about her and they've discovered that she's a format Hosta Air China and they've Media have spoken to China. WHO said Yeah? She left a number of years ago in her. Social Media. Profile hasn't been updated. So that's that's no longer accurate of of WHO. She is now beyond that. We don't know a lot. Her name is Liu Xiaobo Xiaobo on CNN. But we don't have thought so real name for example it could be a pseudonym that she's using so his post has now been taken down. There's been an apology from the Sites Palace Museum. And we'll be enough to appease public anger not so now. This is a story that's absolutely blowing up because of the moment people are off work. So they're all talking about this and it's one of these social media trends that literally literally got the whole nation talking because they got time to read the news Yeah a lot of questions because cultural sites I mean this is a UNESCO site it's It's protected so it's not an area you can just take your car in and take vanity photos. It's it's very very heavily protected but also be questions about privilege which and basically You know people making jokes and saying well. Can I bring my car in there now. That was a China. The analyst Kerry Allen coming up on the global news podcast contemplating bombs away on the game outside of granite counter. The the new song by American Rapper Eminem is causing controversy and we find out how cows express US emotion. First Brazil's Minister of culture has been sacked after posting a video in which he used parts also a speech by the Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels in the clip posted on his ministry social media. Page Roberto Alvin utter the words while music music by Hitler's favorite composer Wagner plays in the background of the person. The Roy he said set on national now said the Brazilian art of the next decade will be ROIC and we'll be national. It will be endowed with great capacity for emotional involvement. And and we'll be binding since it is deeply linked to the urgent aspirations of our people if not it will be nothing from Sao Paulo the BBC's Camilla Mater told hold me more about this video and the fury that it's caused yesterday the secretary of cultural releases this video to announce additional funding to the arts in Brazil He look straight to. The camera. Uses this deep. Domino's voice and Says the Brazilian art in the next decade will be national and heroic as you guys just. I heard a rhetoric that really sounds like the one used by the Nazis in the thirties to persecute what they called. Degenerate artists That's not the only resemblance Mister elving actually used full sentences used by goebbels in his speeches and as you also pointed out he had Richard Wagner Plane Baxter's famous German composer associated with the with the Nazi regime. So that's why The episode sparked outrage among the both ends of the political IOS spectrum left and right well. He's now been socked. He's now deleted the video. What did he have to say to explain this? He has Actually he said sad. That whole episode was worth Oracle coincidence that he didn't know he was making any references to goebbels that this peach was in A. He didn't bright this speech alone that he had help from his assistance so he was responsible for all the words written there. Mr Bolsonaro a Brazilian President At at this speech was unfortunate that he also said that he fired Mister elving he apologized to the Jewish community. I mean it's still looks very bad for Bozon Arrows critics but the apology as seems to be now for The resilient president's supporters is there any danger that this could damage Mr Boston Arrow himself That's unlikely to happen Because when we look at similar episodes that happened in the past that type of conduct the apology and everything seems to be enough to satisfy Mr Bussereau Hardcore supporters which is around thirty percent percent of the The Brazilian Electoral Population Camilla Motta. The American Rapper Eminem has been branded as pathetic for comparing himself to the Manchester Arena bomber. Who Killed Twenty two people? In Britain in twenty seventeen. He references the attack. A new song called unaccommodating which contains means in line. I'm contemplating yelling bombs away on the game like I'm outside of an Ariana Grande concert waiting. The words are followed by the sound of an explosion. His music reporter Mark Savage Eminem Eminem has built a career out of controversy and outrage but for some his latest lyrics have crossed the line bombs away on the game that come outside but career by appearing to make light of the Manchester Arena bombing. The rapper dismayed fans and the families of the twenty two victims. Who called hold his song pointless and Disgusting Russell Hayward whose Boyfriend Martyn hat died in the attack accused Eminem of dragging the victims families back to a very very dark time? But it's not the first time the star has referenced the bombing in attract from two thousand eighteen. He compared himself to Salman Abadie. Who carried out the attack? EMINEM has not responded to the criticism of his latest song but fans have pointed i. He donated money to a fund supporting the victims families in 2017. MOCK DOC savage. Let's go to Mongolia now where there's a booming market in dinosaur fossils this week a team from the United States Department of Homeland Security a meeting with Mongolian officials to talk about returning illegally smuggled specimens seized in customs checks. Meanwhile a Mongolian paleontologist is driving her country's dinosaur source home literally in an effort to teach local children about a heritage which many had imagined was neat. Make believe Beth Timmons has been to see the how this huge mobile dinosaur museum bus is helping to restore Mongolia's fossil heritage. Aw on a bus. Stuffed with dinosaur fossils in the middle of Mongolia's Gobi desert ye can air paleontologist and also teaching local children about the creatures the eighty million years ago lived in the place. They call home duties. Please eleventh graders. Crowd around a T.. Rex I a mammal eating velociraptor and a spike armored ankylosaurs. All of whom could have been spot is is roaming around the motion red spies of fans flaming cliffs. Did on the museum bus. I spoke to one of the students learning that his home. AM is way more dinosaurs than anywhere else in the world have been found. My name is Johnson. What did seeing this mobile dinosaur soon? Museum all your own view of the city top citizens out. He told me what on a practice. Saratov's that have made me want. It's become a paleontologist when he grows up shortly after I headed to the windswept flaming cliffs with taught at Sag to search for signs of fossil. Poaching you can see delays the bronx to hear around in the cliffs. She showed me evidence of the smuggling. She hopes dinosaur honest education will stop. This could have been human activity. Naturally doesn't get these way. How important is the site for paleontology totally right that it's the fast pace started so exra profound yes? That's true so hundred year ago. So they've found the first time Sir Egg Nest S. from here from this site in the world in the space of just two years wrapped wit welding trilby wearing inspiration for Indiana Jones. Adventure Roy Chapman andries unearthed over hundred dinosaurs. He took them home to the American Museum of Natural History. While many still stand today while I'm Byron Zayn this remains mainstay. Mark this Donoso heritage. That's why the residents of Balkan House or festival to celebrate the museum. Bas you those about hundred people in suckle. Lots of guys children on horseback the town marriage. I just put up a flag celebrating. GALILEA paleontology take a sip of mental mental. Just had pass around the home. Exercising emit limited Balkan town may among. I'll turn back into tells me that. Annually Ninety ninety percent of Mongolia's tourists visit the flaming cliffs. Why hasn't the local committee felt more of the benefits? Says One is election action on the promise to boost. Local tourism. Smells Museum to help. Undo the legacy of fossil paging and Bodmer. Nim Ka told me if they have the knowledge they can can protect their local towns world renown dinosaur history and share this knowledge with all these reports by Beth timmons now to South Korea where things have been getting a little hairy for the US ambassador. He's been criticized in the local media for his moustache. Some MM South Koreans have said that Admiral Harry Harris Moustache is reminiscent of a military commander who governed the country when it was occupied by Japan but the criticism. Some of the ambassador goes further as Tokyo correspondent. Rupert Wingfield Hayes Experience. The problem that some South Koreans have with. US ambassador. Harry Harry Harris has little to do with his impressive moustache and everything to do with his mother. Harry Harris was born in Japan to a Japanese as mother and a US naval officer. Father from the day he arrived in Seoul in two thousand eighteen South Korean social media has been alive with Outrage that the US would send an envoy with such a bloodline Harris's. Mother is Japanese. That alone is enough for us to dislike him. wrote one blogger. Uh then it seems. Someone noticed that Mr Harris's moustachioed face bears a striking resemblance to that of count. Hassi Gower Yoshi. Msci one time Japanese Japanese Governor General of career. The mustache is a deliberate insult. They declared Mr Harris her sought to make light of the criticism of his facial hair. I grew the moustache. Tumult my transition from military to civilian life he told journalists in Seoul and as for his ethnic background. I am not the Japanese American Ambassador to career. He says I am the American Ambassador to career. Rupert Wingfield Hayes. Now you might think one move coming from the mouth of a cow is much like another move but scientists in Australia have found that cows communicate with each other by expressing different emotions. Richard Hamilton explains the study. shows that dairy cows can express emotion in response to different situations and identify each other by their lowing. Alexandra Green Gene and her colleagues from the University of Sydney spent every day in a field for six months recording more than three hundred moves from thirteen. Holstein Frisian Haffaz Carr's. They found the sounds varied in frequency and duration depending for example if they were on heat separated from the rest of the herd or being undenied feed. She says the Moose seemed to encode information about that. Individual cow cares that we found was festival that they had local Michael. Individuality Their voices individually distinct. But the more important finding was that they were able to maintain this individuality across different farming context. So for example a cow vocalized in anticipation of a fade reward. Individual voice was also distinct and maintained when she vocalized I in response to social isolation as well Alexandra Green says the next phase of her research will be to look into the emotional aspects of their voices for for the purposes of animal welfare by understanding their vocal characteristics. She says farmers will be able to recognize which members of the herd might be in distress rest and therefore need medical attention something to chew on that report by Richard Hamilton. And that's all from us for now but there will be an updated sated version of the Global News. PODCAST later. If you want to comment on this podcast all the topics covered in it. You can send us an email. The address is global podcast at BBC. Dot Co Dot U._K.. Until next time goodbye.

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Coronavirus: Extreme caution urged by experts

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service. Sava's podcasts are supported by advertising. This is the global news podcasts from the BBC World Service Hello. I'm Emilio Liane Pedro and in the early hours of Thursday the thirteenth of February. We're bringing you an insider's view of the corona virus we hear from a woman trapped on a quarantine cruise ship. The major shakeup in the Italian parliament is right wing politician Mattel. Savini faces a trial for illegally detaining migrants however Russian. Good man shot himself dead. In the middle of a packed courtroom and which household name brands have been declared to have an illegal hand in Israeli settlements. And also in this podcast the world does have a carbon budget it is finite and is running out fast another big business pledge to reduce carbon emissions. But this time from an unlikely sector the fossil fuel industry the enemy that does not respect borders words from the World Health Organization's Director General about cove in nineteen the latest strain of the corona virus. Speaking to a packed news conference in Geneva Ted rose at Hanham Gabriel. Who's had a warning? The number of newly confirmed cases. This report from China has stabilized over the past week but that has to be that much to be interpreted with extreme caution shit. This outbreak could go in any the highly contagious virus continues to disrupt lives and events worldwide. Let's go to the. Who Joe Headquarters in Geneva now. Where hundreds of top medical scientific and public health experts have just held a two day meeting our correspondent? There is imaging folks. Sure there are some glimmers of optimism. You heard Dr tendrils there. I mean he's cautioning is asking for extreme caution but there is space feeling that the cases in China when they talk about stabilization. What they mean is that the number of new cases each day that's announced is getting lower and that this is a sign? They hope that they're beginning. To contain it. In China the other bits of what sounds like possible. Good news is that outside China. They're still very few cases almost all of them can be tracked the WHO the U. H. O. knows where they came from most people who've been in China or associated with and in addition the virus outside China doesn't seem we heard to be as aggressive or to move as quickly so that sounds good but before we all relaxed what the WHO is saying is be cautious pushes. It could still could go anyway. People have got to prepare not panic but prepare. It's a delicate line. They have to take. Isn't it because on the one hand they want people to be ready and prepared but they don't want to cause panic either that's right. It's always the. WHO's always in this dilemma. When we get a disease outbreak particularly today with the kind of modern information technology that we have you are I can get the headline or access information? Some reliable much of it. Not at the click the button and it's very very hard sometimes for the. Who to counter to this. Interestingly with the scientists who today they set their priorities for this virus and obviously treatments diagnostics. agnostics looking at a vaccine in the long term are up there in the high priorities but so too is tackling what they call the Info Democ the flood of false information about this virus which is causing people to panic causing cruise ships to be turned away from ports. Even though there isn't a shred of evidence that any body the owner has the virus. Who is trying hard to counter that imaging folks now one of those cruise ships affected has been confirmed as the largest outbreak outside. I China it's in Japan or at least Japanese waters and called the diamond. Princess quarantined in the port of Yokohama. There are thirty nine new cases onboard bringing the a total number to one hundred and seventy five and is quite an operation dealing with the patient as well as those passengers not afflicted by the virus but who have to stay put route one passenger. Catherine Smith told us what it's like being stuck on board we literally. It can't leave our cabins so we go out on the balcony where we had a harbored. Today we're looking down at the dock is very creepy. I counted the ambulances that are sitting out there and there's at least a dozen ambulances ambulances that are just part and then closer to the ship there are two ambulances bitter idly and there's these long Covered tunnel I mike things and there's people in full have car. There's two people in full on military uniform in half mask and a gown over the hospital down when ready actually transport the people that have the virus ambulance all the sirens. Come with three or four emergency vehicles. They come in and they park by the canopy area and then an ambulance will back up. And then appoint a soon the opened the doors and they love the people in and then when the registered Li all emergency beautiful but their siren time again and they drive out and so that's been going on all day it's really disturbing because they know those people are only Dick need as they have the flu. I know this is walking dead and people. Aren't you know zombies. But it makes a real impression on you. All of a sudden. I felt really lonely. Standing out there knows my mask ongoing like this is my world for another week. Since eighty m last Wednesday we were ordered into our cabins. And that's where you stay and you cannot read unless you're under that superbikes group that's allowed out onto certain objects for an hour at a time and there will watch Japanese health officials to make sure everybody's arena rule Catherine Smith. The Italian Senate has stripped the former Interior Minister Matteo Salvini of the standard parliamentary immunity. In a move that means he'll now stand trial for his decision whilst in office to ban rescued migrants from landing at an Italian port during the debate. Mr Salvini leader of the populist anti-migrant League evoked nationalist sentiments say defame defending Italy. It's owner dignity and security is the duty of a politician Titian or a crime that deserves up to fifteen years in prison. That's what I want a final decision to be taken on in this Surreal Debate Matteo Salvini. Our correspondent in Rome Mark Lowen looks at the future facing Italy's firebrand populist sleater. Matteo Salvini is fifteen. Months as Italy's interior minister were defined by his flagship policy to close ports to rescue votes. Prosecutors argued his order last. I July to stop a boat from docking leaving one Hundred Sixteen migrants on board dia conditions amounted to illegal detention. Italy Senate has now stripped the far-right leader of his immunity paving the way for trial for a man who has built his political rise on the idea of protecting Italy from illegal migration a populace to presents himself as targeted by the establishment. This is played into his hands. If convicted Matteo Salvini could face a sentence of up to fifteen years but justice here moves slowly and he might just take comfort from his predecessor. As Italy's populist chief Silvio belus Cooney who had his sentence for a fraud commuted and then made a very Italian comeback becoming a member of the European Parliament Mark Lowen the young generation in India still see the UK as a desirable place to study and it may be that brexit could open the door to more student places as it is. The latest data shows a sixty three percent. Rise is an Indian student visas. Granted by the United Kingdom but with costs running into many thousands of dollars can expect to see a return on their investment from by the BBC's Monica Miller reports for many families sending one child to college requires there's major sacrifices but the Beman as are sending two children to UK. Universities Bava is heading. Coventry University for Architecture fans are there. My brother was also planning for the same. I have my aunt who is an architect there so she wanted to commended me. You gave back this far good actors very good. If you get that exposure. She has a good reason to to be optimistic in the wake of Brexit. EU students will no longer be given preferential treatment when they apply to colleges. In Britain leading international students compete heat on the level playing field. The British High Commission says more than thirty thousand Indian students received higher education visas for the year ending. September twenty nineteen nineteen that's compared to almost nineteen thousand the previous year. Her brother Vall is getting a master's degree in supply chain management at Sheffield Hallam University. He says the British university take all the boxes for him. I recall loses Muslim. I probably is because of the city. It may be the modules Polish if you will the divorce between the United Kingdom and the European Union put a kink in their long term plans right now. My focus is more about my education of two years. But there's no point in getting please maintain my 'cause if I don't have a job I'm concerned about it but let's hope for the best. I Within Two hundred applicants step by this suburban Mumbai Office to meet with recruiters from universities all over the UK and they decorated it with flags from the United Kingdom. A Big Ben Life size version which people are taking selfies with to take some of the pressure off this important moment for these potential students. Now it's not just the students that are looking to go to the UK it's also the recruiters from these universities. That really need Indian students to apply. So it's not just about the student. It is also about the faculty and staff members. Those kinds of challenges would be dead in the coming year. It can have an impact on research recruiter body cautiously from the university. Steve Harper tour says his college is preparing for a potential lawson enrollment. Getting new talent refreshed island from around the world can can make up but then you can take some time. Diplomacy diplomacy experts like ambassador. Raji Bhatia from the think tank Gateway House says that the legal framework outlining the future of UK immigration is unclear but India has had a special relationship with the UK for generations in the likelihood of British leaving the EU. There would be a kind of a gap in the skilled labor skilled personnel in the UK. And in that kind of situation India would be very good Lucien. Consultancy services focused on preparation for international colleges have also been impacted by the rush of students. Wanting to head to Britain past year talked to war. Krishnan is the founder of inspiring education. She says she has seen a shift in interest from the United States birth so us unfortunately it does the perceived thing that you won't get a work visa there's a lot of perception and a lot of fear among students a lot of noise in that space thinking you won't get There's a lot of uncertainty. Let's put it that way whereas UK is definitely giving keeping you that work permit brexit of fog of uncertainty hanging over the United Kingdom for weeks. If not years to come in the meantime students hope Britain will look to a young driven talent from abroad to lead them to a brighter future. Monica Miller reporting still to come in this podcast. Would you meet a deceased loved one if you could using virtual reality how one company is using the technology to try and revolutionize the grieving across international businesses including AIRBNB and Expedia have been included on the UN list of companies without in Israeli settlements in the West Bank which are deemed illegal under international law the UN Human Rights Council report was requested in twenty sixteen and so long delayed. So how important is it now are Arab affairs editor Sebastian. Usher told me more. This is being announced just a week or two after The trump Middle East peace plan was finally unveiled an in that plan. Essentially it gave the green-light Israel to annex for settlements. Now this has been a long long standing international element of of the status quo. Vote whatever anyone says about. Israel settlements are internationally regarded as illegal. It hasn't been challenged but now that has essentially been through this peace plan so from a Palestinian perspective. This is welcome. Welcome that this has appeared now because sense it gives them a feeling that international unity ms issue still exists but the UN is still holding voting by it for Israel as they've said throughout the process goes back almost four years now. The this is essentially a blacklist that. It's unfair that it's Devoid of the reality situation. As far as the companies are involved AIRBNB. You mentioned now. They did actually withdraw from the Israeli Israeli areas in the occupied West Bank where settlers had been advertising their rooms on being B but under pressure they went back doc in so in the immediate terms nothing much is going to happen about those businesses but the boycott movement will obviously sleet continued to try to target them and that could have some effect on their international reputation which you know is a concern for them. Sebastian assure the new boss of oil giant. BP has set an ambitious target for the multinational to become a net zero emitter of greenhouse gases by twenty fifty Bernard Looney also called for the sector to be reimagined the big challenge for BP is the one that the world faces and that is climate change. But the reality -ality is we are seen by many as a source of the problem and we're still an obstacle to solving it and that's an uncomfortable place to be and and let me be very clear today that I get it. The world does have carbon budget. It is finite and it is running out fast. So who is Bernard Looney. And what's he trying to achieve our business editor. Simon Jack told my colleague. Nigel Cassidy about about him. He is a forty nine year old Irishman he spent most of his career in. BP's oil and gas exploration division which used the heads. And that's the bit that's most controversial controversial if you like trying to find new stuff to burn. And he's setting out what they've described as a landmark speech saying that BP will become a net zero emissions company by twenty-fifty off sooner and say that over time they'll put more into low-carbon and less into oil and gas production for as long as most of us can remember. Oil companies have been the mainstay of people's investments. And yet we keep hearing that The ethical thing is not to invest in these kinds of companies company so BP has to do something doesn't it otherwise it's going to just see us sort of slow decline. Yes there's definitely. A movement among investors is to try and apply pressure on companies to do something about climate change pension. Funds ought demanding that their portfolios are a bit more. climate-friendly Larry Fink. I'm from Black Rock. The boss of the world's biggest fund manager they've run seven trillion dollars in money. They've been writing to these companies saying you've got to do something otherwise you'll financial performance will decline wind. We simply willing to invest in u unless U shape up having said that Shell and BP pace and very very hefty dividends which pension funds. Very much. Like so this guy comes from the inside. Do you think that's an advantage or might be. That sleeping needs an entirely New Vision. That's a good question on. You can apply that to almost any company. The old argument here is that the insides know whether their bodies are and what needs to be changed and clearly. He's got vast experience in the gas exploration field. which is the bit they they need to reduce? So is he going to turn on his old division and start stripping it back. You could argue where his loyalties lie. But I think this is a pretty fundamental reboot. The idea of oil and gas companies saying it's going to be net zero carbon by twenty fifty. I think it's going to be very very difficult. For example they say we're going to cut the carbon intensity if the product's BP cells. Now I didn't quite know what that means but the thing is there's been some real progress made in things like electricity generation that is now thirty percent sent in the UK generated by renewables cold but disappeared. The big problem is gas gas heats. Twenty six million homes in Britain. If you're going to replace all of those that'll cost five hundred billion in pounds by the government saying estimates and that is the biggest challenge out there. So he's GonNa make a defensive gas saying that if you get this thing called Carbon Capture Gotcha and storage which means you capture the carbon at the point. It's burns you can then put into solid and put it in the depleted oilfields in the North Sea. Which by happy coincidence we've got lots solve a near the UK if we can get that right bring hydrogen in because we burn hydrogen? You just get water that could be exported to the rest of the world. Our Business Editor Simon Simon Jack Commentators also making quite a thing of the fact that unusually for global business chief. Mr Looney has started posting on instagram. He's clearly ready to face. As a high level of engagement from industry friends and foes alike next a story that's been dominating Russian media that of a former prison service official official who killed himself in the middle of a courtroom vitale Shevchenko from BBC monitoring the part of the BBC that analyzes other countries media told my colleague League new La- McGovern. WHO This man was? He used to had the road transport department at Russia's prison. Service of this cold seen so shortly after one o'clock Moscow time he wasn't corn true courtroom he was defended and and as the judge was delivering the sentence. This man called Victories video though he pulled out a gun and shot himself right in the courtroom room. Okay lots of questions there. How could he had a gun in the courtroom? Well that perspective. That's a question that's being asked in the Russian needs this. This really heavy strict strict security. You can't just pick up the phone and take pictures of what's going on those metal detectors security guards everywhere on this man. He managed to smuggle a gun into the courtroom room so well. Perhaps there's a way if you are a former official with the prison service also another questioned that there are more questions than is currently another question that's being asked is okay. We know that there's lots of corruption in in Russian prisons. There's lots of torture. Sure what this man have been convicted and he got three years in jail bettas cap. Would this man had have been convicted if he had tried to extort money from an ordinary citizen not a fellow official the prison service again. This is a question into which there's no answer and the details of what happened are quite grim reports that he had advanced onced cancer. Even supporters of the Kremlin of just read a tweet from the head of Russia. Today the new service she she said if you have cancer death is better than serving time in jail. Batali Shevchenko of BBC monitoring virtual reality is already already being used within the medical industry to help. Patients manage physical pain. But could it do the same for emotional pain. One mother in South Korea has used the technology to help for deal with the death of her seven year old daughter by bringing an Avatar version of her back. The newsroom's Richard Hamilton reports. Jiang Jason's daughter Autre Na Yang died four years ago from a rare blood disorder. A production team spent eight months recreating a three dimensional image of now yawn. The documentary called meeting. You has been watched by millions of South Koreans. This is the emotional moment. When they reunited these dating the scene was filmed while the rest of the family watched? And they're visibly upset but John G sunset. It helped her in ahead dream. She said Nah young looked sat but then this virtual reunion she's smiling. The documentary has prompted a debate about the moral and psychological implications of being able to meet dead loved ones while some feel it provides catharsis others think could prevent people moving on with their lives. Elaine Casket Casket is a grief counselor and the author of all the ghosts in the machine the digital off the life of your personal data. This video really needs to be viewed in its Korean context and Korea when someone dies away from home or before their time they can be come a wandering ghost. Ghost is away from home. And the duty of the family is to usher them into the spirit world with the appropriate rituals. It's part of Korean shamanism and this video feels to me like a bang up to date virtual sure reality version of Korean shamanism where this rituals being enacted towards the end of the film. Now young gives her mother a flower and then she lies down saying she's he's tired the to say their farewells. Now Yon Slowly Falls Asleep. She's then transformed into a white butterfly and gently. Floats Away Richard Hamilton. And that's all from us for now to being updated version of the Global News. podcast later and if you want to comment on this podcast cast or the topics covered in it. You can send us an email addresses global podcast. BBC DOT CO DOT UK. I'm Emilio some better the next time goodbye.

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Postgame Show: The Stanley Cup Playoffs are BACK

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

20:22 min | 4 months ago

Postgame Show: The Stanley Cup Playoffs are BACK

"Ms episode is brought to you by xfinity. Do you like free. Staff will listen up xfinity flex a four k streaming box you get free with xfinity internet plus the premiums included at no extra cost. That's a win win. You have xfinity. Internet entertainment starts at free with flex. Sa- go on get really into your shows. Xfinity it's a way better way to watch. It is time for stugotz to share his game notes. No one in the media will tell you what happened better than my voice to weekend. Observations brought to you by advance. Auto parts advance. Your auto only added advance auto parts. Then it goes away for nine months and when it comes back we call it the greatest thing in sports because not a single one of us knows anything about it or how to discuss it but it never disappoints. Roy knows how to that's true. That's speak for yourselves. I have to be honest. I'm covering a ninety five percent clip in the nhl this season and swear to ninety percent at that includes players to score. I am on this sport. Better than i've been on anything in my entire life and that includes narcotics and i'm literally at the games to got. Thank you very much up to the game with me on tuesday night. Anyone dan you want to go to a game you short really the long drawn. Start backing out right. Now you're gonna start backing outsold. I'll be there with you. Let's go tomorrow night. I'll be there with you Lacrosse practice drive show up. Let me think tickets what times the game. What time does the puck. Drop at the bank center as it's done the bag leading center being t. That's right that is right. i mean you know. Eight o'clock that's late. Little league for mainstream is sunrise. Eight o'clock at a tuesday night. I care about. I don't think you've said hockey's back yet. Have you know. Good point. Dan with four one goal games three of which went to overtime. Make no mistake about it. The greatest thing in sports the stanley cup playoffs are back. After thirty years. It was nice to hear. Tim duncan talk. You don is has look with the unprecedented farewell ejection of ojection. You d cutting wasn't here today nearly winning and we miss them both by the way you did wedding. I mean i miss cody. Anyone is winning wittingham now. Bed a atypical. Cat to the great mike breen who was enshrined it to the basketball hall of fame over the weekend. The other journalist named mike should also be inducted into the. I take myself way too seriously. Hall of fame. They should put his bust right next to mike. Francesa's the pope. Oh jesus corral carpet off has minnesota going wild vegas. Oh i'm putting you on upset alerts. Thank you switched up some of the letters there. He's a good player. Though cap resolve gabby ninety five percent. I swear to god. It's insane my verified. I'll go through this group chat with you. Although i don't want you to see everything in it while you share some of those winners man. A group chats called puck tampa. Those putting pucks presented by discover phil mickelson was given an exemption to the us. Open damn righty was lefty smitty. Congratulations to whoever had the moving company incident as being the one thing antonio brown just can't seem to shake a put this one away in the no shit sherlock file matt lafleur watts. Aaron rodgers back. In the worst way vanessa bryant nailed it. Jesus nikita kucherov and andre villas ski. I got you nailed it. Lewis exactly right especially that roller coaster. You went up. Eighty their huge problem for los gatos. Leo yellow in indycar racer. Los gatos helier castro service. You're right i did. The nba chatto showed a graph. The splaying that this hall of fame class has the second most wind shares in the history of the basketball hall of fame wind shares about ring shares. This class had thirteen. That's pretty good. Trevor lawrence sniff test past urban meyer said they are limiting trevor lawrence to about thirty five to forty throws per practice in other words dan. He's on a pitch count death taxes and the dollar on clay rafa. Mardy fish tweeted out his top five clay court players of all time gear them us beyond board federer djokovic nadal wrong with all due respect tomorrow who was once ranked seventh in the world that tennis. Everyone knows there's eight definitive list. Yvonne lindell mets v lander gustavo kuerten bjorn borg raphael doll. I might allow you to slide and sergei brugera in for lendl. And if manila really good mood dan like a really good mood. I might let you get away with jim. Courier all over jovovich. Yes joker one. One french open currier. Want to quieten three. We lender three lendl three three yvonne lindow people don't know that about the check now just a hard core player. Put it on the poll. Guillermo people don't know that about the check yes or no you love lendl though right that sawdust coming out of his short so why does he have sawdust out of his shorts. I don't understand that expression three french open. Titles not why saw dust is coming out of his shorts. I don't understand the expression explain it to me. No i if you know you know anyway. What what does that mean. If you know you know saw does coming out of these to pack short pockets up with sawdust in. He would stick his hands into his pockets. Often i don't know what it did for him. I read one in the french open. Typewriters for feet yet what it did. It perhaps was grip. I think you're right. It was why would he do it. Why don't i thought i thought what you had was. Somehow that he had a wooden penis and for some reason the vigorous way he played created shavings that fell on the floor. I wish i could say that was the reason he does not have a wooded being sanctuary. Put it on the poll guillermo. Please does yvan. Wendell have a wooden berg penguins warning. You better bring more than that. If you want to eliminate barry trotz acai coaches his ass off. I love drugs kyrie irving. I'm begging you man. Just shut the gop tiring. I'm begging you put that on the podium as well please kyri. They're paying you thirty. Three million dollars per season to care another one shambolic officiating once again. In the fa cup final a plag- but congrats to leicester city stars. Abso- rattled jamie vardi keeper. Schmeel casper schmeichal michael burns. He's been complaining about her tires into bed goalkeeper. My lawsuit. I totally jamie vardi vardi party. Jesper schmeel casper michael. Whatever collect well. Hanako nacho ivy. This one's in the next three. I don't know what to do. Man colder soyuz caglar learn. So you own shoe. It was close youri tielemans no but close hamza. Jordi chaudhry okay. Zoya peres is zoya. What he did you have letters os e zoya and of course goal. D wilford indeed. I'll get the hell out of here. And of course club chairman. I've been dan. His last name has seventeen letters and fifteen of them of the same right spell strauss last name spell it for the show. Dan real quick look at it. Just say the whole thing for johnny evans. Take over the top of it. Where my looking. Oh jesus christ. Thank you finally as i. V. a. d. h. and p. r. a. h. And you didn't even give him his first name. No no. that's just this last thing. I think his first name is what it is. What about it come on are you what what i what about him. I awadh shriveled hano for obea disease. Believe that some fear of some sort of fear of read it. What am i on their massive achievement. The big trophy. For fox's dan you know what the k. And kyrie should stand for kuku caring. You know what it does. Dan for cancer. Oh my god are yes europe. I apologized cancer. Free mean that joke was funny. Both times i heard so loud own loud in your ears. Age thing is not working out would keep your schmeel. Were apologizing to cancer. Here's the problem with the basketball hall of fame. And i say this. With all due respect to ben wallace and because ab- terrified ben wallace ben wallace averaged five point nine points per game for his career and a year away from ending up in the same place as michael jordan. Here's the other problem. He was the fifth best player on his own. T. i made ben. Wallace is going into the hall of fame. Chauncey billups richard hamilton. Amer rasheed wallace should have their own wings. Mister big shot rep. She'd takes you sean. Prints probably being the hall. Get a ben walls and there you don is as lem should be in the hall of fame am i wrong. Yes very how galactically wrong. Why hasn't as rings. That team won because of defense. He was a unique defensive player. You only want to record. You only wanna reward offense at every. Turn giving on the phone. Call in at the end year kelvin. Benjamin at tight end interesting. Tim tebow at tight end travis at at receiver. Things seemed to be going. Well for urban meyer. What's he doing. People are questioning whether he knows what he's doing. It doesn't matter in because trevor lawrence pass the sniff test ad so it doesn't matter what urban does what he calls who he signed two week. 'cause he has that quarterback and that quarterback is going to be great. You see him because he pass your sniff test. Looks like he belongs man. All reports are they wanted dairy tony and they had no idea what to do when he was taken. So they're like someone else darius. Tony who by the way was running. Drills with one shoe on gamer heard someone say over the weekend. The lakers were getting healthy at the right side. Correction lebron is getting healthy at the right time outside of ad. Not only does it not matter if the remainder of the lakers are healthy. I'm not even certain if it's necessary for them to be there box. A venus no lakers rockland nets. Well well what about the lakers. Now that was different than you did it last time. You've given me three different predictions on the lakers. That's four different lakers predictions you've given I think you're right on that one. I think that one is accurate. What i fixed it. The basketball hall of fame have wings. The enforcer way the glue guy way the dough wing with that da. Yeah like no-brainer. Jordan's way del. David looks like he could still play the admiral. Someone should a place the bunny on the podium. No right next to tim duncan fundamental. That's what you've been saying about him. One of the great careers of all time for ten years the fundamental no miss. The bundy did listen. Dan if he hit that bunny has six. Titles he has five you know and the classes fourteen titles bring shares. The body can't believe it just so we're all clear. That was a happy. Kim mulkey probably the apex of happiness. Lebron versus steph. For many of the marbles lakers warriors. He's been all day today. He's been dan. How many how many marbles is this for is for all of the martin. I feel like it most of the marbles is it many for the i don't know how many how many marbles and then he asked me. How does the play in. Is it all work. All the marvels many of the mark. Can i say many in the mark that game is gonna outweighed the nba finals the game. For many of the morbus lakers warriors. The rare game where the winner heads to phoenix and loser goes home to face a team. Not nearly as good as phoenix. Fair the k. Kucherov stands for crop. What's tired teddy bridgewater route again. God that was so good. What crop how did i say. Crop explained to me how i said crop. You've been an idiot. Across two decades of professional rate the keihin kucherov stands for crap. Teddy teddy bridgewater complaining. About how lousy. The carolina practices were after no longer being a member of not dan. That's a little something. I like to call sour grapes. Also where some of the royalties from the children's book rewrote for you years back he's ready as headings stanford fee hell's the matter with me crop. Dan i forgot to say how or prior else those. I'm getting out of here on the weekend. Observations not yet here. Because i know you've been well enough of a mean. tell him. You're ben wallace opinion. Just tell them. Let's get an expert autos and you don't want it. You want me to rephrase it for you or you wanna hineous castro neves. I mean i don't know what's going on anymore. I've lost my mind senators. I mean. I think that ben wallace. Here's the problem with hall of fame. Ben wallace averaged five point nine points per game for his career. He's gonna wind up in the same place as michael jordan. And that's not right and so for me. I think the hall of fame. If you want to solve this issue they should have wings like glue. Guy wing and enforcer weighing and adult wing. What do you think well first of all. You're you're saying this when michael jordan's teammate. Then as rodman is a hall of famer and he averaged seven points a game for his career And i didn't hear anyone voice. This great outrage that dennis rodman famer why because we recognize is fame not scoring. He's in there for defense. Ben wallace is a four time defensive player of the year. He led the league in rebounds and blocks Multiple seasons he was the backbone. Not only for a championship team but a team that went to the conference finals six times and went to the finals. Once or twice basically once winning so when you talk about By walla's this ignorance. He's absolutely all wants to be there. Folks no solid. Which mcconnell is what mitch. Mcconnell wasp was out in the streets for respect.

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Coronavirus: China takes further steps to address the epidemic

Global News Podcast

30:54 min | 1 year ago

Coronavirus: China takes further steps to address the epidemic

"This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. Hello I'm Oliver Conway and we're recording this at fourteen hours. GMT on Wednesday the fifth of February l. main stories as the number of deaths approaches five hundred China's president calls for tougher action to control the corona virus outbreak. Meanwhile scientists are about to announce. It's a new name for the illness and more than thirty. People have died in two avalanches in Turkey also on the podcast three years ago ago. We launched the great American comeback. Jobs are booming. Income Poverty is plummeting. President trump makes a pitch for reelection as his impeachment trial. Nears its end and later great to have that dynamic work both could be cut to thirty and it must be time Make the Bunga Artists who fight for Queen and country. China's president says he is confident of winning the war against the corona virus but efforts to control it are at a crucial stage and tougher enforcement is needed. Millions of people in order to stay in their homes in China with one designated person allowed out every few days to buy food for the household in Hong Kong. The territory's leader Carrie Lam announced just two weeks quarantine for anyone coming from mainland China. He'll call so Lloyd they Yup Ginga Young See. We will invoke the powers WHO enact legislation relation for people coming from the mainland including Hong Kong residents being residents and other visitors. They have to go into compulsory recording team for fourteen days more about restrictions in Hong Kong. But what is day to day. Life like in China at the moment question for Asia. The Pacific editor Celia in parts of China. It's pretty grim. The number of people who appear to be living under these really strict quarantine procedures seizures user people who primarily in the provinces of who bay end in Ju Jong on China's coast are living under as you described people. They're being told to stay at home. They're given tickets. They can only leave once every two days. One person from the household if they're caught outside not holding their proper ticket to show that they're allowed to be out. They will be fined just today. The Chinese President Xi Jinping just in the past hour really has threatened more legal proceedings against those who don't follow although quarantine measures so so really we're we're starting to see the government really kind of trying to show the positive news on on the one hand today. They said we're doing a better job. Now of testing where able to diagnose this much faster where we're able to rule out suspected cases who don't have the virus much faster. Send them back home. But on the other a hand we're hearing a the the finger-wagging from the government saying to the people and to officials. Look you need to follow the orders. You need to follow these measures that we have in place in Hong Kong when we had them tightening the bore. Yesterday's partially closed not sale to some medical stuff that wont but now another tightening is this the result of that death in Hong home. I think it's the result really of just public pressure anxiety in Hong Kong every time we talk about Hong Kong we have to go back to the SARS crisis in two thousand and three Hong Kong suffered forty percent of the victims the deaths from that. There's a real anxiety. There's a real push this time to not repeat that and so there's a lot of pressure on the Hong Kong authorities to completely close the border. They're not going to do that primarily for political reasons. The Chief Executive Carrie Lam is under pressure from Beijing to really stay united did with the rest of China but yes. She's announced a new restrictions. Today anyone who had traveled to Hong Kong from mainland China will be placed under compulsory quarantine. I don't know how far that will go though to really relieving that ongoing anxiety in Hong Kong that the virus really could break out seriously there. She's also so announced the closure of two cruise terminals. There is a ship. Currently don't Hong Kong where passengers are being checked. Also a cruise ship in Japan. I mean I guess those are a very dangerous places for the spread of these viruses. Yeah I mean if you think about it there. Little floating islands aren't they so yes. Japan is seems to be quite a serious case. This is a cruise ship diamond princess. Three thousand seven hundred people on board ten have been diagnosed with the virus. We had been receiving information yesterday that they were just going to test everybody in. Let them off the ship. Obviously plans have changed. That ship is now floating off the coast of Japan. And it looks like they're going to be there for about two weeks. It seems the entire ship will be put under quarantine in Hong Kong yes another cruise ship at docked. Three people have been diagnosed with the virus so far this is a tricky. He won for the authorities. Health officials in China said just today. Look we're really learning more about the virus day by day. We're realizing that people can have the virus for around a week. Very mild symptoms. That don't really A show that they're very sick at all and then on day nine or so. That's when they start really showing quite serious symptoms so so day by day. They're learning about the virus but that doesn't really help those people floating on those cruise ships. Sepia Hotson will the virus which merged at the end of twenty nine thousand nine in the city of Wuhan is currently known known as two thousand nine hundred nineteen NCO v Short for new or novel Corona virus but in comparison to terms like bird flu swine fever or even the black death. It's not that easy to use. An hasn't really stuck so a special committee is coming up with a new name as I heard from the BBC's Jasmine Taylor Coleman while viruses do often take a while to get a name and that's because it's really important to get it right but in this case is a massive outbreak love. People worried worried about it so they've been under a lot of pressure. There's a group of scientists working at the International Committee of taxonomy in viruses as a level of the map. And they've been debating baiting this for about two weeks trying to find the right name that they can then put forward to the scientific community and for the wider public. It's difficult and it takes a long time. Because there are certain cautionary tales and rules that they have to follow. The rules are set by the World Health Organization. They're more a set of guidelines. They include things like the name shouldn't be named adopt geographical location. So they use merce the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome as an example of what. They don't want to see. They worried about stigmatizing. Certain areas of the world old in that case the Middle East. They don't want the name to reference any animal so they look swine flu for instance which was actually the eight one n one virus. This became known as swine flu. Even though it wasn't passed by pigs but in Egypt today slaughtered all of their pigs response to this. So there's a real danger fairmont. Greg leads to big decisions like that. Other roles include don't reference particular culture or a particular industry even say some people have been calling holiyay. The Wu hand seafood market pneumonia. There's a danger that that could have negative consequences for anybody working the seafood industry or anybody working in markets. This says really strict rules. The World Health Organization wants peace. Funny Okay so those are the rules of what they can't say. How can they decide what they should call it? The World Health Organization wants the name to be short is often acronyms. I think quite useful also. It's important that the name is catchy. She has a hook people actually use it because obviously there are lots of names out. There already needs to be easy and quick for two years. So we'll see what comes up but I think they'll have something that is an actual word that people can pronounce probably has to be you have to be able to pronounce it. Ideally in more than one language so it should be something short. Pithy the catchy and when might we get it well. The name is being submitted to a scientific journal so they already know what it is so that board has decided on a name. The eleven people have come to a decision that they've got a name and they've submitted that to a scientific journal once that's been published so that they know that the scientific community accept the scientific grounding for for that name that they're going to announce it and that should be in the next few days. Perhaps the end of this week. Jasmine Taylor Coleman in his third state of the Union address president. DONALD TRUMP TRUMP says. He's presided over a great American comeback but as he made his pitch for reelection ahead of November's presidential poll divisions with the Democrats were clear. Yeah Lima Buhl. Reports from Capitol Hill in Washington. You could hear those chances of full more for years. Even here where I am outside. The House Chamber has Donald Trump stood inside addressing the nation. It was a taste of the rapturous reception. He'd get from Republicans we'll night in a bombastic state of the Union speech three years ago we launched the great American comeback tonight. I stand before. Oh you to share the incredible results. Jobs are booming incomes. Asari poverty is plummeting crime I'm is falling confidences. Surging and our country is thriving and highly respected again silly went with republicans cheering him to the Rafters and Democrats sitting Sullen in what felt like a campaign rally Ali right here. In the Capitol building under my administration. Seven million Americans have come off food stamps and ten million people have been lifted off of welfare was too much for one Democratic Congressman Gerry Connolly. Who I quote leaving early early? He demonized immigrants again. He of course lied about statistics again. He took credit for all kinds of things that he had nothing to do with. It was shameful shameful and my fellow Americans the best is yet to come. Thank God bless God bless America America and as soon as it ended the most senior House Democrat rushed out of the Chamber Speaker. Pelosi your reaction to that speech. I tore it up and she. He did quite literally tear up. A copy of the speech. Transcripts given impeachment proceedings is still going on Democrats like what she did to leave might have hoped the president wouldn't wouldn't be so upbeat. Why were so many of your colleagues so angry? The fact that he's bragging about taking people off of food assistance the fact that he's saying Look what I've done but in the long run no you have it. That doesn't sound like a president ground down by the impeachment process or embarrassed. No that's what you saw. There is reality. TV This is not reality TV. This is real life. We're tired of it and you know what No matter what he will be always the forever impeach president impeached. The Senate wound remove came when it votes later today. Like almost everything he does. This speech divided a nation. But it's no wonder. The president appeared in such good spirits with the chaotic. I showing in Iowa for Democratic presidential candidates to this week is looking like a very good one for Donald Trump. Lame Boo in Washington too. So a shambolic start. The Democratic Party's presidential campaign with full results. Still not in from the Iowa caucuses as we recalled this podcast and later on Wednesday in this day as we've been hearing the Senate expected to clear the president in his impeachment trial so a good couple of days for Donald Trump as I heard from our correspondent. Jane O'Brien inside the US Congress building a very good couple of days for Donald Trump. And as we just heard from effectively using the state of the Union address to launches launches reelection bids and coming on the eve of the vote in the Senate in just a few hours time where he is expected to be acquitted we do know that. The Republicans Publican's have the numbers to do that any waverers among them have now declared that they will acquit him. And I think the big story that we're watching for is whether whether or not any moderate Democrats will defect from their party crossed the aisle and also vote to acquit Donald Trump. Now if that happens. The Republicans can can claim that they have a bipartisan acquittal. This isn't just the Republicans saying no we're standing by our man. This will be Congress actually looking at the evidence and deciding that any wrongdoing he may be guilty of did not rise to the level of impeachment. And that would reinforce a very bad few days. He's the Democrat. So which Democratic senators should we look out for well. You've got to moderates in particular Joe Mansion in West Virginia Doug Jones in Alabama. Both of them are in tight reelection battles themselves particularly Doug Jones. It's possible that they might cross the Al because I think at this point the Democratic Party haughty may say well it. We know. It's a lost cause that we failed to impeach him we might as well try and salvage what we can and if you need to vote to acquit him then in order to save your own seat your own campaign than you might as well go ahead and do that. That's very possible but of course there is also the history book that everybody's what he's playing to and it's also possible that the senators who are playing things very very close to their chest may decide that they want to register their vote for the history three books and not just as part of their reelection campaign. Meanwhile many of US outside America hearing a new democratic name at least emerging towards towards being a front runner may appear. Tell us about him. This is a real rise from rags to riches he has been the underdog in this campaign ever since he declared he was is running in his words. He went from adorable to plausible. The now he's trying to prove to Americans that he is in fact electable and in spite of the chaos from Iowa the river results so far just under three quarters of of results of being returned show that he is in the lead which is quite extraordinary. He's also polling very well in New Hampshire. He's openly gay. He's actually married to his partner. If he wins the nomination goes on to win the presidency. We could see the first married married gay couple in the White House which would be an extraordinary move in this country which is still very conservative at its heart but he does have a long way to go. Of course this is only the first I contest. We haven't got the full results. There are nine months to go before the election itself. There's a lot to play for but certainly a very very good. Start for people to Judge Jane. O'Brien in Washington. Nearly forty people including rescue workers have died after two. Avalanches slammed into a mountain road in eastern Turkey. Officials said an emergency team sent to Van province on Tuesday after the first avalanche struck were caught in a second one. Hugh Morgan reports. The first first deadly avalanche happened late on Tuesday trapping a minibus as well as construction equipment. One construction worker was able to escape and raise the alarm about about three hundred rescue. Workers were at the site on Wednesday searching for survivors when the second avalon happened. Police officers security guards. One firefighter and a a number of civilians are thought to be among the dead search and rescue efforts are continuing video. Footage shows rescuers using shovels and stakes to try to find survivors specially trained dogs have also been sent to assist Hugh Morgan and still to come on the podcast. The language of penguins follows the same rules as human speech. Government offensive in the last rebel. En clave in Syria has caused one of the biggest waves of refugees since the civil war that began in two thousand and eleven many of those fleeing women and children it Lebron seen some of the most intensive bombing the conflict with Russian apple supporting Syrian forces voices Well too fast correspondent. Paul Adams. Has This report this. War has displaced millions and often nine. Long years. It's still happening. It lip the last rebel stronghold amass of desperate convoys as President Assad's forces close in whole communities are on the move many like the mug large family packing their belongings in the town of beenish fled here from other besieged towns and provinces they're being uprooted again. It's a grim familiar routine alley lifting CAFARO. We'd we were safe and happy than the bombing in war took place ace and we were displaced for the first time the second and third time. The government's offensive on Italy is remorseless remorseless towns pulverized by shelling and airstrikes inhabitants forced to flee north and west. Some places like Mars suren now ghost towns the UN says almost six hundred thousand people have been forced to move in the last two months and the process is picking up speed that slowly converging on the Turkish border. Turkey is building up its military presence in the region. The latest fighting has seen deadly clashes. Between Turkish and Syrian government enforces. A deal reached two years ago between Turkey and president. Assad Russian backers now hanging by a thread pool Adams investigators the gate to say the alleged scam involves a fake Azul Yves Le Drian now. The French Foreign Minister who was apparently requesting funds by phone and Skype for a secret mission. Connie shops to our correspondent in Paris. Hugh Scofield is the most extraordinary story a tale of the most extraordinary Chutzpah. If you like the allegation surround our campaign that was led in twenty fifteen seventeen by a group of men to hoodwink very. Are you senior and wealthy. People from around the world into believing they were being contacted by the French defense minister deal now now the Foreign Foreign Minister of course and they did this by first of all phone conversations and then later by actual video conversations. Ovation's with these people in which they wore Marsk rubberized mocks to make them look one of them to look like Geneva. Do there's there's a photograph of this March circulating and it doesn't look particularly professional but they managed to convince a number that they can draw and condom at an awful lot of money. Honestly slay I mean as you said they called tick they sent e-mails tick but they use skype How do they create a fake foreign? Miss it sounds a a bit like mission impossible. Although this time it wasn't well I mean the allegations is that they're led by a man who is already convicted fraudster. Who who's great? Call man basically and what they did was reading. These people who international figures the president of Gabon that the Archbishop of Paris the head of big big companies around the world and they would say to them look. This is France calling in effect. We need your help. We're in a spot you know that we have. France has got some people who've been kidnapped in the Middle East. We can't do this publicly because a publicly we don't pay ransoms but we've always paid ransoms so we need an a secret channel of money to go to the foreign ministry to pay this ransom. And even though they did did they targeted one hundred and fifty people most sore the scam or didn't get involved but three people during the Khan and including a very wealthy. He and Turkish businessmen called in. Anchorage paid up more than fifty million euros for this scan believing that they were helping France and they would get something back late later on. That's the way it work. Thanks mathematical money absolutely extraordinary because this is identity. Theft is the world's fastest growing crime but this was just on another level. They also plan to impersonate to other people didn't they. Well that's the allegation. They were arrested at least a two ring did a a- alleged ringleaders were arrested in Ukraine three years ago now and it's alleged calm there to get a new mosque made up up and then that would have been off Prince Albert of Monaco. That is not a feature in the in the charges in the in the quarter. That's been reported widely in the press that they'd sort of felt they done enough with With Leo moving onto to other impersonating other Hugh Scott failed in Paris. Thousands of Sikhs once served in the ranks of the British armed forces today the number has dwindled to a mayor. One hundred seventy but in a move to recognize their distinct Punjabi culture to seek soldiers being encouraged to share their love of Bhandara music as the BBC's Poonam Taneja reports again traditionally this kind of music is heard in the northern villages the Indian subcontinent during the harvest. God they have in. Aw now thousands of miles away in London musicians gin this Investi in German deep Singh Sandhu Rehearse it should have US same to one game making home but there's a twist both men addressed in army fatigues incited. Incited Jim at a military base compton. Verdy as he's known to his colleagues has served as an officer in the British army the six years it but his love for fake music goes back to his childhood sussman here in the UK and visibly seek Where tub very probably you you know? That's my heritage and for me. The Pajama cultures awaits. Connect me to understand where I come from you. He plays traditional Indian instruments while his Chinese soldier musical partner Lance Corporal Sunday provides vehicles was born in Punjab and from the beginning it was passionate about singing and and I never land m singing or dancing was just listening music. Listening for music was passionate. Johnson Dude is more dodger shoulder to shoulder on the BBC. Asian network. The past eight years have released a number of tracks all under the name gender music and performed across the world but the pair of lead double lives keeping their music and military careers strictly separate point until now so it's great to have that dynamic where b both of characters that can be captain Verdy and it must be gratis and would you colleagues big thing. Recently for example recently have performed Bunga in my outfit on on our Culture Day in Richmond and we WanNa love that where where is giving me probably would fill our nights at the height of cultural. Traditions is supported by senior army colleagues. Might left tenant Colonel Tim Chomsky who promote diversity in the forces you can embrace you. Coach coach mutually exclusive. The suit seeks the played an important role in the British army for over one. Hundred fifty is about two hundred and fifty thousand Sikhs thought were fought for Britain in both world. Wars more than eighty thousand were killed. It's a historical link. That's recognized by left tenant colonel. Wendy folks her. Her job is to highlight Hans in the army to have captain Verdy and were saying to showcase what they can do. And what is out there then we can and get other people to step forward as well and why not have a Bangor dancing troupe within the military that we can then take to communities to show that they can practice in cultures as well as experience the military there are only about one hundred and seventy six currently serving in the British armed forces says military chiefs hope that by supporting culture more maybe encouraged to join. Meanwhile captain Verdy Nonce Corp.. Sunday will continue with their musical careers while saving Queen Country. Follow non KUNA M- Taneja without without report. Those retail therapy the act of shopping to improve the mood have a bigger effect when buying a luxury item like a handbag or watch according according to research from Boston College and Harvard Business School for the majority of people. The answer is no it can actually make you feel worse. Lawrence Pollard. Spoke to Dr Nelia Order the by Eva Professor of marketing at Boston College we were going into the research trying to test whether or not the feelings of higher power confidence boost consumers would typically expect from buying luxury products would actually translate to higher confidence in power feelings they actually consume these brought up and to our surprise we we found out that confidence boots might not actually materialize and that a lot of consumers actually questioned themselves question whether or not. They're being true to themselves when they wear and consume these luxury products so the main finding of this research was quite surprising to us and what was even more surprising was to find that many consumers there's across different sections socioeconomic sections demographic sections actually feel this way. And where do they come from. Because you'd have thought if you wear where or use something in your daily life which makes you or you see it every day and it's a constant reminder of your success in your status in your expenditure that that would work so why is this the shortfall in what we expect luxury to give us what we find explains. These failings is typical association. Deeply Ingrained Association that Consumers have with what luxury represents so we're used to seeing luxury products on high class individuals it's associated with royalty with upper-class where the privilege and wealth and society and so we tend to automatically think and imagine this wealth awesome privilege when we are faced with luxury products and so when we're consuming and wearing these luxury products we question whether or not this imagery of wealth awesome privilege that luxury presents actually corresponds with our true selves. And this questioning of whether or not we deserve this privilege and high class and whilst that luxury represents this questioning of the self lease us feel authentic like a fraud. Is there any particular either a socio economic group or a geographical difficult group or a kind of luxury where this is a bit different other people for whom it does work. That's a great question because we were thinking that this there must be something about the your wealth level and whether or not you can afford luxury that must predict reduce these feelings of authenticity. What we we found was that these feelings of impostor ism actually caught across the board cut across socioeconomic classes and we actually have plenty of evidence and we founded consumers across the board report feeling in authentic but the one factor that we find out can reduce feelings? Is this inherent sense sense of entitlement that some consumers just inherently have so it's It's kind of an interesting Factor it's an interesting characteristic so we were able to measure asura by applying this establish scale that includes items. Like if I were on the titanic. I deserve to be on the very first lifeboat. And some people rich or poor. Actually feel that way okay. Nelia order behavior talking to Lawrence Pohlad. Now you might not associate penguins with deep and meaningful conversations. But French and Italian. Scientists have found that their vocal patterns follow the same general laws as humans. The newsroom's Richard Hamilton reports. The scientists from universities Leon Turron studied nearly six hundred. Sounds from twenty eight adult African Penguins in Italian zoos recording recording and analyzing what are called ecstatic display songs. Like this have. They found that penguins us. What's known as information compression away of making communication efficient? It's it's the first time this behavior has been observed in animals other than primates. These calls a used in territorial displays these penguins very defensive of their territory. They're also used to attract a mate so the sun can help to advertise. How big you are fit? You are Stewart. Sample is professor. You're of evolutionary anthropology. At the University of Roy Hampton in London these songs follow on linguistic laws. These are the common statistical patterns of language. It's very simple. One is if slower brevity which says more frequently use words tend to be shorter and then longer words in language. Tend to be made up of shorter syllables. Larger hole will the smaller. The parts and these are fundamental laws across many many different human languages that the mathematically depending of our communication system and while these penguin in song clearly aren't language they nevertheless followed these linguistic little showing that these songs off perhaps a little bit more similar to language than we originally thought in his original research. Search professor sample found these linguistic laws applied to monkeys and chimps but he thinks these fundamental principles are used throughout. What's the Animal Kingdom Richard Hamilton? And that is all from us for now. But they'll be an updated version of the global news. PODCAST later if you want coming on the podcast or anything in it send email to global podcast B._B._C.. Dot C._O. Dot U._K.. Conway and so next time goodbye.

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Thousands mourn assassinated Iranian general

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26:12 min | 1 year ago

Thousands mourn assassinated Iranian general

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service Service. PODCASTS are supported by advertising. This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. Hello I'm all of Conway and this. This edition is published in the early hours of Sunday. The fifth of January on main stories as thousands of people in Iraq mourns the assassinated Iranian General Customs Lemani there have been a number of rocket attacks. US targets in Baghdad fierce winds in the Australian State of New South Wales hampering efforts to contain raging wildfires pause and a roadside bomb. Hit a school bus. In Burkina Faso killing fourteen people many of them children. Also in the podcast the Chinese Chinese paddled fish referred to sometimes as the pander of the Yangtze was also known as primitive. Fish has it shown very little evolutionary change since the late Cretaceous period seventy five million years ago one of the world's largest freshwater fish the Chinese paddle fish has been declared extinct the day after the Iranian military leader Qasim Sulaimaniyah was assassinated by US drone strike in Baghdad. Rockets Have Been Fahd. aww American targets in the Iraqi capital and Iranian military come onto had said Iran would punish Americans wherever they are in reach and that thirty five targets gets were within range however the rocket fire in Baghdad seemed inaccurate and didn't cause any casualties. It's the best natia reports. The attacks have been low level and unsophisticated so far but the targets clearly seemed to be American Iranian backed militias carried out a number of similar opperations in the past few months indeed they helped coors the current crisis it was America strong military response against the Kuttab Hezbollah militia that sparked the attempted storming the US embassy in Baghdad which prompted prompted president trump to order the killing Kacem ceremony in response. Kuttab Hustler. Hasn't said it's responsible for these new attacks. Presumably intended as is a declaration of intent to be US but has warned Iraqi forces to keep at least one thousand meters away from us basis from Sunday evening. On on Saturday thousands of people attended huge funeral possession for General Suleimani and the Iraqi militia leader who died alongside him at least correspondent Quentin Sommerville. Some of L.. Has This report those. He's gathered for the funeral procession through the streets of Baghdad. Some chanting death to America was they walked alongside the coffins of Kasim Suleimani and others killed all the news. Assassination many of the mourners were men in black military fatigues. They waved Iraqi and Pro Iranian militia flags and carry portrait of the general and of Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Khomeini among the more calls for revenge. General Silliman was a man in who unlike many of our officials was an enemy for our enemies and treated our own people very well. He was very popular so the only thing we want to take. Revenge in the worst possible want wants to punch them hard in the mouth because they mortared a warlord who was very important Seles very valuable Iraq's prime minister a deal ability and some of his cabinet members attended the procession recession kind of some Sulejmani was ruthless powerbroker there and across the region today in Baghdad. He was hailed as a Shia martyr but for months on those seen scene streets. He's been denounced as villain as protesters demanded among other things an aimed to Iranian influence in the country. The blame the day general for much much suffering in Iraq including the recent deaths of hundreds of protesters Kasim Suleimani body will not be returned to Tehran and then buried in his hometown tone in death. He has been promoted to the rank of lieutenant. General he leaves behind a bloody legacy which likely won't end with his assassination. Iran has sworn harsh revenge for his killing but for now the country moons a man who reshaped the Middle East. He did more than just serve it overseas he was Iran Overseas Quinton Somerville and as Clinton said some people in Iraq had celebrated the death of General Cinema knee so who was moaning him on Saturday. Julian Marshall asked Mustafa Salim the Baghdad reporter for the Washington Post. It's only the ability of supporters. Some people they you're protesting in Baghdad. Since October first Anti random situations actually when they heard the news they celebrated and the Central Bank that the mood though overall material must be one of apprehension as to what happens next back that right now is living in a high tension case when Iraq Iraq finally finished its war against Islamic state. Two years ago Iraqis sought finally that they will have a space to live a normal life away from wars and violence but they have been always in the middle and this tension between the US and Iran and they always knew that once there will be award or collation is GonNa be here inside Iraq. They don't know what's going to happen next. But they know it's GonNa be bad and of course perhaps a suggestion of what is to come today with those rocket attacks and a warning to the Iraqi security forces to Cape kilometer away from US bases maces rockets is not unusual at has been always happening but the escalation now between Iran and the US has changed everything and do people think there is a future now for the US military in Iraq. Lots of people know that the president of the US has not gonNA disappear fast. US have lots of interest here. They want to stay the people in the funeral today. Demanding the parliament to legalise as low to us. Your sports is too much in a legal way. The element is scheduled to meet tomorrow to discuss this. But I don't think it's likely to Happened because to get that vote. They will need the majority of the peace to vote on it. I don't think the curtain will vote. I don't think the Sunnis will vote also shout people. People are likely to vote mischief Salim in Baghdad will big crowds also gathered in Iran to mourn. The General Mike Thompson has been speaking into Abolhassan Banisadr who became Iran's first president of the toppling of the Shah in nineteen seventy nine. He began by asking him for his reaction to the assassination repose. The cushioning My response to your question is that a state has committed an act of terrorism terrorism on a territory that is independent under international the consequences must now be awaited but one cannot commit acts of terror without consequences. The Americans claimed that the general was planning further attacks on American personnel so that therefore their actions wins were legitimate in an independent country what legitimacy to the Americans have I. They have invaded Iraq and up to now they having presence in the territory of an independent country and doing just what they like their launch military attacks on the ground and in the air commit acts of terror whatever they want and all that is not legal. The presence of two countries in one territory is not legal. It's illegal because did the Iraqis invites the Americans. No did the invite the Iranians know they are both in an independent country and have turned it into a battlefield. You can't put an end to violence with violence. But if Iran and the general in particular walls planning violent acts against Americans they couldn't just do nothing. But it's not just about one guilty party but to the American government and the Iranian regime. They've both committed crimes on a territory that is owned by neither the United States or Iran. And if one commits a crime and the other response is it deserved no. It's not deserved. I was talking to resident of Tehran a little earlier. And he said that many people who'd been anti-government before this happened have now joined with pro government people in condemning this act and say could even lead to more support rather than less for the Iranian government. which has been under a lot of pressure? Do you think that is possible. This could actually unify the people against America and the West over. I've always said the attack on the American embassy by Ron Supporters and this act of terrorism the assassination of Sulejmani have very clear objectives Mr trump benefits from an internal political perspective and in Iran. It is Khomeini who is further strengthened. I've always said I say now and I'll say it again that Mr Trump the current state of American politics provides a great boost for the regime of Mr Khomeini will benefit from this assassination certainly former Iranian president. Abbas Hasan. An Asada. Talking to Mike Thomson other news now and Saturday saw a deterioration in the weather in Australia. Australia as a change in wind direction and the heat wave made the fires that even harder to tackle Sydney experienced record temperatures with one suburb hitting forty eight eight point nine degrees Celsius on Sunday. The weather improved. So how much difference will that make. Samantha Simmons asked Ben Shepard from the Rural Fire Service headquarters quarters in Sydney for the latest. This morning will be definitely an opportunity. Religious Tyke stalk of what occurred with a very dramatic subway China which moved across prostate firebrands yesterday afternoon into the evening There is no doubt that we have lost some property in the resort. Potentials that we might say info the laws is lost so Look today will be just doing that. Race stop working at also where we can actually stop pulling some of these flies up more favorable weather lace for the next excuse Does remind very dry but start really working at where we can actually stopped contain these fires. Because we've got a massive effort ahead of us with currently dealing with Daiva three point three million hectares on these grounds alone at the moment so there's a huge body of work that needs to be tight in the coming days and wakes and off. Aw what lays ahead do you hope you hopeful that the worst is behind you now. Now look at what we definitely need in this state he's Ryan and solve it we. We need hundreds and hundreds of millimeters of rain just to try and correct the deficit and tight the sting out these fossils and try and actually make the landscape healthy again in the fact that eh the wind hold fire so until that time we're going to have to keep working on these fought to try and back burn against them. Try and bring them under control at this is the bureau isn't forecast in a meaningful Ryan possibly even till might even light February so We've got a hell of a lot of work to across all five rounds before they really safe and until such time we actually get that Ryan. We've got the risk of as far as flaring jumping past time at lawns in threatening further harm so huge body body of work over the coming Dizon wakes until that time that we see some meaningful Ryan and how the five coping with resources. But also people like yourself yourselves emotionally this job. Kinda can't go to sleep Mikan. Rest you can't stall taxing on. Firefighters did also taxing on the community some of these communities of now living with a random for months on inside a decent incredibly hot but what we do see in the worst times he's is obviously is communities. Coming together. Naive is helping neighbors. Boffon is continuing to throw their hands up to get one A. C. so we are extraordinary fortunate here in the rule faucets that we got the seventy thousand volunteers at the continue to roll at to help. They love who communities in trying to tell them to take a stand died Arrest while there is that rich to the community means. He is really really hard to do so until that time. I think that that we do get that Ryan. We are going to be on edge a little bit we are GonNa continue to say five spread through this. Landscaping is such a huge area. Now that we are dealing with there is a real risk. That is the coming weeks. We are locked more lost Ben Shepard from the Australian Rural Service. A roadside bomb has hit a bus in Burkina Faso killing fourteen people. Most of them children for others were seriously injured. Are Africa editor Mary Harper reports. Most of the dead were children on their way back to school. After the holidays the blast occurred in the province of Seru near the border with Mali. Attacks Acts by suspected jihadists and other armed groups have become increasingly common mcanuff also on Friday military. Police were attacked in the north of the country. The whole of Suhel region is affected by an Islamist insurgency jihadist groups roam across the territory with little regard for borders regional and international forces have stepped up efforts to try to defeat them with little success. So far Mary happe- American linguists have chosen they as their word of the decade. Kate Ben Zima is chair of the new words committee at the American Dialect Society. Julian Marshall asked him why they there is a lot of very interesting. Ting discussion about the choice for the word of the decade in we had a lot of strong nominations for various possibilities including in black lives. Matter and me too there was definitely discussion. About how important those movements were but ultimately this group of language scholars is were most interested in the way that a basic building block of language seemed to be changing and that basic building block is a Pronoun and the use of today in a singular sense is something that's been used in the English language for a few centuries but there have been interesting new developments with this pronoun specifically when it's used to refer to a known person very often because that person has a gender identity entity that is non binary in other words the identity doesn't conform to the usual gender binary of he and she end so seeing how they is being used as a singular pronoun with these new developments was something that the linguistic scholars in attendance are really wanted to highlight relate as an important development over the past decade. You say that in another language is They is used for someone in who identifies their agenda as neither in tiny male nor entirely female. I wanted which language is other languages already have a standard Pronoun that's used as a gender neutral singular third person Pronoun in English historically we've had to resort to saying he or she he if we're talking in a general way about some generic person and you know we just don't have something available to express something that's gender neutral or just not the specific when it comes to gender other languages you know for instance. Indonesian has the Word Dea. India works for he she regardless of gender under and so when we get into new expressions of gender identity non binary expressions of gender identity languages that have that gender neutral pronoun have no problem to simply using the word that's already in their language in English. They has historically been used primarily as a clearer pronoun and we're seeing an increasing increasing shift to acceptance of using that as a singular pronoun much as earlier in the history of the English language at you previously it had been just a Clo- Pronoun for the second person and we had words like how and the to express. The singular second person isn't Pronoun those fell out of the language and the plural Pronoun took their place. Now we're not necessarily seeing wholesale chains like that about we are seeing a gradual acceptance of that plural pronoun to be used in singular cases to refer to known apple and Zim from the American dialect society. uh-huh and still to come in the podcast. Your they're called virtually TSA competitions in which verses Sir invented and recited on the spot they existed for centuries but since Spain's returned to democracy for decades ago they popularity has boomed and we report from the Basque country where it's unique language has been kept alive partly through poetry. China has sacked the official in charge of relations with Hong Kong six months after large scale anti-beijing protests began in the former British territory. Rumors had been circulating about Wang Jiming possible departure as underwood reports. Mr Wang has headed the office that liaises between the increasingly unpopular government of Hong Kong. Let Hi Carrie. Lam and the central government in Beijing since two thousand seventeen about the communist party has reportedly been trying to replace him for several months. After to protests in the semi-autonomous territory of Hong Kong worsened and voters snubbed pro-beijing candidates in local elections. Mr Wiser placement is Leo Waning. Who Sixty five years old and was the Communist? Party's top official in the northern province of Shanxi until late last year. Andrew would the British singer Rod Stewart has has been charged by police in the US after he allegedly hit a security guard. It's came to fight broke out off. The heat and his son refused entry to a private event in Florida. On New Year's Eve if the details from Jane O'Brien according to the Security Guard Surat Stuart and his thirty nine year. Old Son Sean. Trying to gain access to a party at a luxury hotel tell in Palm Beach without permission when the God named Jesse Dixon intervened. He said Sean Stewart shopped backwards. And Surat who be seventy five life in a few days punched him in the left ribcage with a closed fist in the police reports abroad said his family became agitated. Because Mr Dixon was augmented tive live. He also apologized for his role in the incident. But according to the report video footage showed Sorority and his son as the primary aggressors both the A to appear in court in Palm Beach on February the fifth charged with simple battery an offense which could carry a one year jail sentence. Serov who was knighted in in twenty sixteen is best known for his hits forever young and tonight's the night in December. He became the oldest man to top the UK charts with a solo solo album. Jana Brian the best country straddles the border between northern Spain and southern France and about a million people that speak the Basque language or a Euskera with mysterious roots and complex grandma. The language has been kept alive partly through poetry competitions and our correspondent Guy Hedge go went to the final of one of the most prestigious events in the city of San Sebastian. Their cooled virtual Ariza competitions in which versus are invented and recited on the spot they existed for centuries but since Spain's return to democracy for decades ago they popularity artsy has boomed every four years. He pulls score. The heartland of Basque culture holds its provincial final Ibar Szabo people who has competed in these events explains how they work. There's a topic giver. And they suggest you a topic usually also character and you have to sing from the point of view of that character but they have to think I while they wanna save from this season. They are suggested then. You have to start a dialogue. When they sing impairs they have to answer each other and then they have to build a conversation in this final held? In Large Sports Serena. There are four men and four women competing and they must follow strict rules versus have to contain a certain number of lines and each line. A certain certain number of syllables judges reward. Clever rhymes and puns to subject spirituality given to improvise on include personal dilemmas listen workplace dramas. In this case two finalists have been given the roles of a couple who argue over whether to borrow money from relatives so they can go skiing. There's now a short break off the more than three hours of competition during which the eight competitors have been inventing and performing verse in fronts of six thousand people. Hit almost non-stop now. I'm going to go and talk to one or two of the members of the public here had been watching. You don't really know they're going to do K- how is GonNa go for them. This is the best on the biggest expression of bus culture for us is like magic. Almost you know so well done. It is like almost a religious experience. After the break the judges ages wittily eight contestants down to two who face off against each other. Finally a winner is announced the the second time in a row it is ben yet. GUSTA Lunde the thirty two year old is handed the trophy large Black Berra era known as the chapel. When I speak to Ben yet later on he tells me how important this championship is not just for him but for ill scared? The Basque language and Lingua normally does get as the main language in this region that are very few events in the Basque language. which with so many people attending so in terms of our self esteem and events like these very important for the Basque speaking community vignette started learning the basics? Six of bachelor is more at the age. Eight and he's optimistic about how the art form is evolving. Rondo and a lot of younger people are getting getting involved. It's been a very male dominated art form for many generations and now that is changing a great deal as the way people see it. I think we're seeing a much more collaborative collective for your performing and they like that. We all want to win a championship. What does winning mean? I'm not out to be someone else. I want the person who is up against me to perform well so that I then perform well. It was a tradition that dates back centuries the bed show ladies not so much competing with each other as with the modern globalised world for now now. At least they and the Basque language seemed to be winning from San Sebastian. By Hedge Co one one of the world's largest freshwater fish the Chinese paddle fish has been declared extinct a survey of the Yangtze River where it was once common was unable to find a single specimen Richard Hamilton reports at the beginning of this month China imposed a ten year moratorium on commercial fishing on the Yangtze to try to protect it's unique aquatic ecosystem but for the paddle fish. It's come to light. Chinese media showed one of the leaders of the survey team Professor Way Way explaining that although he stayed on to carry out his research while others others were leaving for Chinese New Year he could find no trace of the paddle fish. The last confirmed sighting was back in two thousand and three the Chinese. He's paddle fish referred to sometimes as the pander of the Yangtze was massive growing up to seven meters in length thanks to its large rostrum or snout like a swordfish. It was also known as a primitive fish as it had shown very little evolutionary change since the late Cretaceous period seventy five million years ago it used to be frequently cited along the Yangtze. With around twenty five tons harvested every year in the nineteen seventies Populations have however declined drastically since then as a result of overfishing pollution and habitat fragmentation. Another factor has being. The construction of the job are dam in one thousand nine hundred eighty one which blocked its migration route the researchers say that based on two hundred ten sightings meetings between one thousand nine hundred eighty one two thousand and three they estimate that the paddle fish probably died out sometime between two thousand and five and two thousand ten n none of the species has been kept in captivity. They say that another creature. The Yangtze River Dolphin is also probably extinct linked Richard Hamilton from us for now. But they'll be an updated version of the global news. PODCAST later. I'm Oliver Conway until until next time goodbye.

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Anti-regime protests in Iran over downing of civilian jet

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29:49 min | 1 year ago

Anti-regime protests in Iran over downing of civilian jet

"Hello this is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service with reports and analysis from across the world the latest news seven days a week BBC World Service Service. PODCASTS are supported by advertising. This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Richardson and in the early hours of Sunday. The twelfth of January these are our main stories protesters in Tehran called for Iran's supreme leader to resign after the military trey admits it did shoot down the Ukrainian jet after all while Canada's prime minister says he will not rest until he gets justice. The passengers from his country Taiwan's president is reelected on a platform of democratic self rule in a SNOB to China. Also in this podcast so we will follow the path of late Sultan stressing peaceful living among nations and peoples and not interfering in the internal affairs of others. It's steady. As she goes the message from Man's first new leader in fifty years also. Why hundreds hundreds of luxury apartments are being blown up in southern India and UNCANNY valley a new book on allege unregulated surveillance technology ruthless looseness bosses and casual sexual harassment in Silicon Valley? We begin in the streets of Tarum. Angry protests have been sparked by Iran's admission that it did shoot shoot down the Ukrainian passenger jet citing fears it was about to be attacked by the US as a reason. Iran had emphatically denied. It was to blame all that the plane was was hit by an air defense missile. It later suggested jetted strayed into restricted space. But the country's civil aviation authority has now confirmed the plane had not if it off. Its normal course. President has an Ruhani said. His country deeply regretted the incident calling it a great tragedy and an unforgivable error and the Aerospace Commander of the Revolution Regards Brigadier Amorality Hadji. Zadeh said he accepted full responsibility and would rather have died than witnessed such an accident. Either said Russia's Myemma so I was in the west of the country following the completion of missile strikes against the a US basis when I heard the heart wrenching. News of the Ukrainian Airline's flight crash. When I confirmed what had happened? I really wish I could die myself. I said that I wished I could die. Not witness such an event for a lifetime. We have made ourselves ready to die for the people today. We are trading our reputation with Almighty God and in these very difficult circumstances. I'm here before you to explain what has happened. People in Tehran said they were saddened by this shocking. Talking turnaround about him so sad. I wish they had said it was a mistake from the first day when the US shutdown on an Iran plane in the Persian Gulf in nineteen eighty-eight. The immediately announced that they were responsible. I had hoped the Iranian authorities would have told people from the very first day. Now the families of those killed in the plane sophomore pain. It was natural for people to be sad when when they heard this news. I think we should have in told sooner that you're on was responsible because we all knew missile had been fired for more. I spoke to run around him. Poor from the BBC Persian service we have received reports that hundreds of people have gathered in central Tehran in front of Cabbie University and Bunch of other universities and they are chanting against Iran Soup leader. They're calling for a referendum and they're angry they're very angry about the fact that Iran has downed around the passenger headline Ukrainian passenger airline and many people have questions. Why did this happen? Why was Iran's airspace open during a strike against the Americans in Iraq? And why did it take a few days for their authorities to admitted they have been lied to two day after day authorities came out and they came up with excuses without saying that he was actually them who brought down. So it's not just the downing if the aircraft which is causing the anger is the fact that the Iranians didn't tell the truth for four days. That's one of the reasons one of many reasons that Iranians Iranians are angry. But one of the questions they're asking is that how they uranian have accepted this that they were involved or they were responsible for the attack if they were nationals on the airplane they say the only reason Iran is now taking responsibility is because they were Iranian Canadians on the airplane or Iranian Brits on the airplane they say because because of the pressure from Canada and the UK in Ukraine and the evidence that they have produced the Iranians have taken responsibility. What are the Iranian authorities doing about? We have received reports on footage showing that The security forces are using tear gas in order to disperse protesters. which is is surprising because we thought that given that they have now taken responsibility for the attack? This is a national disaster civilians have been killed. People will be allowed to gather and more and hold vigils but it seems that the authorities are going to continue the crackdown as before. It's only a tiny section of the population that have come out onto to the streets of these views. Shed more yes hugely even people who are supporters of the Iranian regime on twitter there apologizing. They say that this was unacceptable even some MP's are asking for resignations. And they want to see people who are involved to be held accountable to get resignations nations though if we look back at the forty one year history of days namic republic. No no one. No official in Iran has ever stepped down over over disasters ever and they might find somebody junior just one individual who they say oh he was the person in charge of pressing the button and he has has taken responsibility. And we're going to sack him but are we talking about military commanders. The President and ultimately the supreme neither is the person that they are now calling for the resignation nation of know anybody that level is very unlikely but the situation in Iran is changing so quickly that we can't definitely be sure that nobody will resign Ronna Rahimpur though the flight was headed to Ukraine when it was shot down most of the passengers intended to fly through Kiev and then onto Canada. And I'm fifty seven of those killed in the crash Canadian citizens. The Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said that Iran did the right thing by taking responsibility but he also said that while this is an important first step. He wanted accountability and justice from Iran. We need full clarity on. How such a horrific tragedy Ajeti could have occurred? Families are seeking justice and accountability and they deserve closure. I reiterated to President Ruhani that it is absolutely necessary that Canada participate in this investigation. We expect the full cooperation of Iranian. Authorities and Ukraine's President Vladimir Dolinsky has urged the international community to be united and persistent until a full investigation is completed in other news. Taiwan's president cy. Ing Wen has been reelected with a record eight million votes in what's being seen as it clear rebuke to China China in her victory speech size said China must abandon threats against Taiwan which it views as a province. She also said Taiwan's future should be decided it by its twenty. Three million people are correspondent. John Sudworth has sent this report from Mrs Size Victory Rally clouds of supporters flood into central Taipei to celebrate a remarkable win a few months ago. Tsai ing wins ratings. Were flagging but when she started pledging to stand up to China her for choose rallied than Beijing's renewed threats to take Taiwan by force only eased the path to victory for candidates. It wanted so much to thwart. Do you think you have the Chinese president. Xi Jinping to thank for this victory the Taiwanese people you cyst on protecting our sovereignty and our way of democratic credit life. I hope the result of this election give China the correct signal and they understand clearly. Taiwan's is people's expectations. There is a certain political irony in this results. Beijing's rigid authoritarian vision of a Greater China. United on its terms has been wholeheartedly rejected in the one place place actually given the opportunity to vote on the console John Sudworth an arrest warrant has been issued for the First Lady of the Southern African state of Lu to Messiah Tha Bonnie after after she failed to appear for questioning over the murder. Two years ago of the Prime Minister's previous wife they payload body was shot dead two days before the Prime Minister's inauguration inauguration Africa editor. Mary Harper Police said. Mr Bonnie was nowhere to be found when they went to State House on Friday with God's initially refused to let them in. This is the latest twist in a saga which also involves the Prime Minister Thomas to bunny on Thursday. The governing party asked him to resign of allegations allegations that he was involved in the killing of his estranged wife. Neither he nor his current wife her responded to the allegations lawsuit. You can ill-afford future chip political turmoil. The election that brought me the money to power with the third in just three years. Mary Harper according to its tourist ball. The the southern Indian state of Carola is flanked by the Arabian Sea in the West the towering Western gats in the east and has forty into connected rivers. It enjoys a long shoreline with serene beaches tranquil stretches of Emerald backwaters lush hill stations and exotic wildlife. Making it God's own country free and. It's not only the tourists who flock to the state. Many Indians have moved data. Live and work on Saturday. That tranquillity was shaken by this dramatic scenes in Karachi cities. To luxury apartment. Complexes were demolished spy explosives on the order of the Supreme Court. So what's going on our South Asia editor is embarrassing at Russian boat. Fifteen years ago when these flats lots were built waterfront overlooking the backwaters of Kuching City. Lush Green this is a dream apartment for any middle class US family. It can cost sixty thousand dollars seventy thousand dollars or even more but it turned out to be that the builders did not get the environmental clearance because because of coastal zone rules. You cannot build such huge buildings on backwaters. These are like ecologically sensitive areas. And when the state of Kerala I love witnessed huge flats a couple of years ago. One of the reasons was the huge constructions blocked the waters from going into these backwaters the channels and the river. So after a long court battle the Supreme Court of India said no these flats will have to be brought down because they are in clear violation of in and mental rules but the residents they organized protests meetings. Because there are some of them are invested their lifetime savings many people cadillacs. It's work in the Gulf countries. They would have sent money you know. For their son and the daughter they would abroad flats and this was one of the probably upper middle class locality and one fine morning. They were asked to leave. The police cut off water electricity and they had to leave a few weeks ago and it must have been a really hot wrenching scene for many of these people to see that hard earned money coming down in dust but it is very bad for authorities to take action against new. Oh buildings especially you know upmarket area to come down like this and that is what shocked because corruption is everywhere in India. And it's not very clear all of them will get any compensation from these builders because sometimes what happens in India is people always give more money in cash but they would value it less on paper they give you an example. It may not be the right amount. If the the flat is valued at fifty thousand they would have registered only for twenty thousand dollars so many people people may not even get the full refund from the government off from the builder because the papers will not give the right amount and Barisan at erosion and in all four. Aw apartment complexes with three hundred fifty flats will be demolished over this weekend. Ten new species and subspecies of songbirds that being discovered on three tiny Indonesian islands team from the University of Singapore said. They found the birds in a region known as Wallace here. The area is named after Alfred. Russel Wallace who helped shape the theory of evolution in the eighteen fifties by documenting wildlife in Southeast Asia. Richard Hamilton reports puts. This discovery is the biggest from such a small area. In more than a century. Alfred Russel Wallace spent decades cataloging the birds heads of Wallace sear. But must have missed. These ones. This team spent six weeks on the remote islands of Talia. Boo Palang and Batu Decker near Sulawesi. Which has surrounded by deep sea and would have remained isolated over the past two million years even during the ice ages this means they're more likely to support endemic species which appear nowhere else on earth? Frank Rind is an associate professor at the National University custody of Singapore and the lead author of the study. I went to these islands of course in the hope that there's something new to be found but it turned out to be a bonanza of new species. He is and that was quite unexpected. And that's something that you only realized gradually as you're there it's not something that sets in immediately. Some of these birds were only seen days as after I actually heard them so one point in cases. The tally Abu Grasshopper warbler which has an insect like sound. It's very shy bird in the undergrowth. I heard it. I I knew this was going to be some new species of grasshopper warbler. Let's Kinda similar to others invoice but not the same different rhythm and frequency but because it's so shy took in another three percents that now for me to see it for the first time. All these new birds are characterized by their unique sounds among them other bright red honey to that has an unusual week for feeding on nectar. But in case you think that finding new species is good news that somehow counters the prevailing ailing narrative of climate crisis and disappearing bio-diversity Dr Ryan and his Indonesian colleagues warn that the islands have suffered rampant forest us destruction and that urgent long-lasting conservation action is needed. Richard Hamilton reporting still to come mm-hmm the most legendary movie car of all channels on the Ford Mustang driven by Steve McQueen in bullet sells for more than three million dollars. And we'll hear about Diego. Perhaps the world's most prolific sex bomb for the first time in fifty years the Middle Eastern country of Iman has a new sultan high. Tom Bin Tarik. El Sayed has been sworn in as leader succeeding. His cousin sultan caps who died on Friday at the age of seventy-nine among has long been known as a center of stability in the Middle East and an ally lie to Western powers and his first speech to the public the new salt and vowed to uphold that reputation and so so far we will follow the path of the late. Sultan stressing the principles that he plans for our country's foreign policy based on peaceful living among nations and peoples good neighboring and not interfering in the internal affairs of others respecting nation sovereignty and international corporation for deeper understanding of who sultan high. Tom Bin Tarik. El Site is a turned to our our affairs editor Sebastian Russia. He he is a man who's held several ministerial posts in a man remember. Those Sultan Qaboos was essentially the paramount leader of the country for decades. The face the voice everything really so everyone else was kind of subservient to him but he held posts as Minister of culture. Turn heritage now. The way that Amman has tried to navigate its way. It's not as oil-rich countries others in the Gulf. It's a bit of a back quarter politically in any case and it steered this kind of independent course which the new sultan was talking about that one of its resources is the beauty and the range of its landscape. It's tried to take a very different path. Some of the country's instead of having high rises tried to bring lots of business there. It's tried to keep it environmentally the sound to attract people because of that so his being the minister of culture of an instant heritage kind of implies that the continuation of that. He's he's also being in charge of a vision. Twenty forty plan which snow tempt. Try to rethink the way that Among can deal with the many economic challenges it faces says as with many other countries in the region has a very high number of young people many those unemployed so it has big problems. It has a high debt. So he's all of those things to face it and of course he has to as he was saying tried to continue what Sultan Qaboos managed for so many years which is to find a niche per month on as a mediating moderating relative neutral independent voice in the region. What of course he likes is? That extraordinary Charisma Zimmer essentially that caboose had built up through those years and within a man itself most people alive there now have only known him as leader he was essentially the father of modern months going to have to find a way to put himself into position where his authority and sense that he can move the country on. We'll be accepted. Many many changes also a battle perhaps between a modern animal traditional man which got silenced under Sultan Qaboos. That may reemerge Sebastian Asha. We're going to take a look now at a new book which offers a first person glimpse into the darker aspects of work in Silicon Valley. It's all Anna was in amid twenties when she left a job in publishing to work at a startup in the heart of the tech bubble. Her experiences have culminated in her memoir UNCANNY Uncanny Valley a book that dives into the high flying reckless startup culture when astronomical fortunes were being made covers unregulated surveillance silence technology ruthless bosses and casual sexual harassment. The characters in it have been given pseudonyms and other companies are unnamed. They can probably be identified through their descriptions. Poor Hanley has been speaking to Anna Weiner about her experiences and she began by telling him how she felt about the world she worked. My opinion is largely ambivalent. I think that I see on the same things that drew me to the industry. I also see all the reasons that I I needed to leave eventually. After five years I think that I maintain a feeling of ambivalence. But can certainly see the dark underside. Much more clearly. Duck on the floyd. I think that it has to do with modest different factors. I mean I think the problems in Silicon Valley are an expression or amplification a deep-seated social problems the incentives of form of capitalism that isn't interested in fairness or equity or eight. Sort sort of a aware takes all form not specific to America but certainly heightened in America to be more specific I think a work workplace culture that is racist since be sexist exes is emphasizing speed and rapid growth at the expense of process or accountability. You have quite harsh Summaries of of the two biggest firms I think that it's very important for people to remember that companies like facebook and Google are are largely actually ad networks and that monetization of anything on the Internet is usually tied to advertising and the sort of targeted needed individualized advertising that we see online is also tied to form corporate surveillance. So I think that for me not referring to the companies by their names but by their functions functions was a small statement on that hopefully push people to think more about the role that these companies plan society. What's your evidence in summary? The of the Silicon Valley of sexist and racist. There's strong terms and I think that they both are related to through a consolidation of power a certain form of community in the US. These are issues that have deep roots. This is not unique to Silicon Valley. But I think that it certainly is expressed in silicon valley potentially amplified or accelerated. Go into any of these companies no matter the narrative that they might tell about themselves or about America chronic form of business. You see that the money in the power has consolidated among a group of people who tend to be white and young men and and that's not because they have that they're smarter or more talented than anyone else. It has more to do with these structural issues that I think a story like meritocracy. She tends to cover the revelations about ethical dodgy. Perhaps not that surprising these days too. Many people familiar with the Cambridge. China literature scandal have have firms learnt lessons from that for example. I think they've certainly learned some lessons about Pr. I don't know that there. There is any sense. Increased Accountability or self awareness or self scrutiny. I I I hesitate to say that there has been a change. I think if anything there's a sense and south of in battlement here I think people feel misunderstood or they feel wrongly accused and there's a defensiveness that I find very interesting because I think it will probably characterize. The next era of the industry is feeling of being victimized in some way or accused for society's ills and so I think that that exacerbates this feeling there is no or not feeling it exacerbates the sense that there is no accountability for these companies right now but should we still feel that. I'll data is unsafe with these firms. I see no reason to trust them. I haven't seen any compelling evidence that they are on the side of the user so to speak. Do you think you'll book will inspire or force change in the industry. I think if I said that my book would inspire change who I would be exhibiting the same hubris at a lot of the people. I've worked with tend to exhibit about the importance of their own. Work I do hope that my book which is a personal narrative memoir. It's not outta polemic or an academic study. I do hope that the personal narrative illuminate some of these structural issues in that it helps people better understand. Just what it's like to be a a entry level employee just normal Executive or venture capitalist. I'm just a sort of average valley worker and so I think that that will be useful and I hope that it's useful but I don't know that this is a whistleblowing book a or a call to arms in any respect. My audience is really rank and file workers in tech and we know speaking to pool Henley when it comes to movie car chase scenes. The classic is the Nineteen Sixty Eight film starring Steve McQueen It provides a ten minute Tura San Francisco at one hundred ninety kilometers per hour while the car itself self disappeared from view for decades it's resurfaced and been sold at auction for three point three million dollars. Henry Bella has more and it was the star of films most famous car chase scenes nineteen sixty eight Ford Mustang Hang. Jt screeching through the hilly streets of San Francisco. The movie was bulletin. The actor was Steve McQueen the so called King of coal. He played a no nonsense detective. Who was tough on crime and his colleagues? We work your side of the street in the decades since that same collectors have searched desperately for the vision of it airborne borne almost flying down the state. Bayside streets made it one of the world's most iconic cars that collectors had no idea it was bought by New Jersey. Man Bro Cheonan for six thousand dollars in nineteen seventy four and used for the daily school and Work Commute. Aucoin was so fond of the car. He eventually tracked it down on himself. Desperate to keep it in his family in original condition his offer to buy it was ignored like so many others until now three million four hundred dollars first time almost forty six years the most most legendary movie car of all robots Keenan and his son. Sean spent more than a decade restoring the car. The identity of the new owner is not known but the collector's item is now the most expensive Mustang ever saw Henry Bello now. His name is Diego. He's a centenarian. He's clearly got a powerful Libido veto and his being released after eight decades in captivity his are America's editor candice pit the Galapagos Islands National National Park Service says it's releasing back into the wild a one hundred year old giant tortoise who is credited with almost single handedly saving his species from from extinction. Horeca Yom the park's director says that the male Tortoise Diego is believed to have side around eight hundred members of his species off after he was recruited onto a captive breeding program designed to repopulate. His island is SPAGNUOLA. The park service believes who's taken from the wild eighty years ago. By a scientific expedition Diego is currently in quarantine before his triumphant return to Hispaniola in March Candice Pearson. I will dedicate that story to my producer. Cul probably better say not too much more so away from elderly sex bomb tortoises to someone not quite so old who arguably has more adoring fans. It's the Swedish football stars Latin Ibrahimovic. He's marked his first first full match back in Italian football at the age of thirty eight with the goal. It helped a C.. Milan's defeat of Calgary to kneel. He's now scored in a top flatly in each of the past four decades. His Danny Abra Heart. There's nothing latterly Brahima. Vich likes more than cementing his own legend. He's he's opening goal of the twenty twenty s a crisp strike into the bottom corner sweeping the ball in from across without even looking typical Ibra not arrogance. He says his confidence. He's first seen ago. Came Face Swedish Hometown Club Mama in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. He's been finding them in ever. Since for nine clubs in seven countries. He recently rejoined Milan on a six month contract but he's not always left a trail of love last week. A Statue of the giant giant striker Mama Stadium was toppled hacked at the ankles after Ibrahim of each announced. He'd invested money in rivals. Hamma Boo Donnie Abraham the heart. And that's all from us for now but they'll be an updated version of the global news. podcast later if you you want to comment on this podcast the topics covered in it was Sanderson Issa tation to call. You can send us an email the address this global podcast at BBC Dot C._O.. Dot U._K.. 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Millions in China due to return to work despite coronavirus outbreak

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Millions in China due to return to work despite coronavirus outbreak

"This is the global news podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Jackie Leonard and in the early hours of Monday the tenth of February these are main stories. Millions of people in China are about to return to work after the Lunar New Year break that was extended due to the corona virus. The Irish Nationalist Party Shin Fain has demanded wanted a role in the Dublin government after early election results indicated a breakthrough following decades on the fringes of politics and thousands of mourners in Thailand. The land have held a vigil for victims of a rogue soldier. Now known to have killed twenty nine people also in this podcast. I love it to zinc. Now I must say I am afraid more than than when I've done my the Italian soprano Mirella Freni who has died died at the age of eighty four. Millions of people in China are preparing to go back to work after the Lunar New Year. Ed break which was extended to try to curb the break of the new corona virus but many factories and offices have been ordered to stagger their working hours to limit. It's the number of people in public places. The virus has claimed more than eight hundred lives in China exceeding the number killed by the SARS outbreak. Nearly twenty years ago our Beijing correspondent John Sudworth has been gauging the mood in the capital. It's lends him festival traditionally marked with a lavish TV gala. But this year there's not an audience member incite every seat is empty. The fear of of contagion is every we've fever checkpoints that which temperatures taken it almost every and with China's army of migrants now returning to the city's after the extended Lunar New Year holiday companies are being told to stagger their arrival and encourage those who can to work from from home but the UK Ambassador to China Dame. Barbara Woodward tells me that continued uncertainty means all Britain's still being advised to leave China. We're currently seeing a number of infections. Double every four to five days. We don't know what implications that has. We've seen the Chinese put in place. Local transport measures some cities and towns have been closed down high speed rail. So it's getting more difficult to leave China. If that's what people plan to do we know the evacuation flights is got out of him. Are we confident now that most people who wanted to get out from the epicenter of managed we have not got everybody out. We we know that unfortunately to people failed temperature checks early this morning. They've had to go back into Wuhan. And we are in touch with them and we'll try and support put them to get them onto another country's flight. The Manson festival has brought with it a glimmer of good news over the past. I four days official figures suggest. The rate of increase in infections may be slowing. That report was by John. Onside worth in China. The political landscape in Ireland has been transformed by a surge in support for the Nationalist Party. Shin Fain in the general election initial results appear to bear out Saturday nights exit. Poll suggesting that the party's share of the popular vote. Much thought of its two biggest rivals. Finagle and Fiona Foil Shin Feigns leader. Mary Lou McDonald said it was not sustainable for them to rule out going into coalition with her party correspondent Kris page has been at the main counting centre in Dublin while few results have been officially officially declared Xinfeng candidates are already celebrating. What set to be a huge breakthrough for decades to parties? Broadly in the political center. Fina fall and fina gale. hovel wasting ahead of the rest. But the Tallis centers are showing that three party. Politics has arrived Xinfeng in the running to take the most first preference votes because because it's field that fewer candidates than its rivals. It isn't likely the end up with most seats. When the long and complex counting processes finished new party is expected to win a new majority? Not In the Irish parliament's fina gale which is led by the prime minister. Leo Vodka has ruled going into coalition with Champagne. So too has the leader Fina. Full Me Hold Martin. You shouldn't fin president. Mary McDonald said there'd been a revolution at the ballot box in her party. Supporters deserve the voice governments Dow success the exclusion of excluding our tirkey. Aparecida does represents now although the actress I think that's is demanding demand during the campaign. Fina Gilan Fina Fall pointed to Sh- infants links to the IRA during the conflict in Northern Ireland's but Xinfeng emphasized its role in the peace process and its focus on left wing. Economic Policies. Seems to have worked. Counting will continue negotiations to form an administration will be anything but straightforward it. Forward Chris Page in Ireland. Switzerland has had laws banning discrimination on the basis of race and religion since nineteen ninety-five but until now that protection has not been extended to gay lesbian bisexual. People on Sunday those Swiss voters took part in a referendum and just over sixty three eighty percent of those who voted back to move to do so which is also supported by the government and most of the country's political parties and Rawson Buzzer a director of the Swiss Slepian Organization welcomed result. The whole ticket targets weakness loss of today's Day. Not only that yes. We've been pretty clear yes ask. It shows that Switzerland really stands behind gays lesbians and bisexuals and it also gives us momentum for the next one which is marriage for all the protection action of all families are correspondent imaging. Folks told us how the vote would affect the lives of the LGBT community in Switzerland. It means that under law they he will be protected against verbal and physical abuse and against discrimination. And I think the most important thing you need to take out of this thing is is that the gay community says this will make a huge difference in the run up to this vote. They had pointed to a spate of attacks recently on openly gay couples and they said we need the sign. We need to feel protected and accepted in our own country. And today you heard Ana Rosa they. They are very pleased. Not Just my yes. Vote by the scale of the support. They weren't expecting over sixty percent in the inveigle over sixty three and what source of opposition had there been. Obviously it wasn't reflected in vote. But what sort of resistance had there been to the change well. The resistance was led largely by the in writing Swiss People's Party and some evangelical Christian groups. They have two arguments to make one that the law would perhaps introduced censorship. People wouldn't be able to be free to express their own opinions in private conversation or to make off color jokes if you like into that particular churches who really as they would put it prioritize the marriage of a man and a woman would find themselves being asked to welcome same same sex couples. They argued that clearly. There's arguments did not find favour and again the scale of the vote in favor of the of this new law. Aw shows I think that Swiss public opinion is really going in a very different direction nowadays. So is the public support for same sex marriage now. Well it's going through parliament again like this law been recommended by the government and is going through parliament the indications are that given today's vote at this will also find favour but it may be that once again opponents will gather enough signatures to force the Swiss back to the ballot box to approve. What their government and parliament has already approved so it could be that you know? Parliament approved same sex marriage. But we have to wait another couple of years for a referendum to prove it but it certainly coming that was imaging folks in Switzerland. Iran says it launched changed satellite into space but that it failed to reach orbit as planned. The country's space programme is opposed by the United States. which believes it's a cover for the development of missiles on Johnston reports? The Iranians have talked of their success in managing to get the satellite into space. But they admit things. Things didn't go as planned. The satellite didn't go into orbit so the mission failed just as Iran's previous attempts last year was was also unsuccessful but the Americans are still likely to be uneasy. They worry that the rockets Iran uses to hurl a satellite into space could be adapted to carry a nuclear warhead. The Iranians deny they want to acquire atomic weapons. Alan Johnston and staying with space matters and the sun. It is the source of life on Earth as well as a potential threat. But there's still plenty we don't know about it in the house. House of Monday morning a probe will be launched into space to get up close and personal with the beating heart of our solar system the European Space Agency's solar orbiter that will get close enough to take photos. Detect the powerful storms that can suddenly flare up professor Mark Corcoran of Isa has been telling James Menendez small one of the key things that we really don't understand about the sun is how it actually operates on the inside that we know that is nuclear fusion. Deepen the very core in that heat and light leaks out over hundreds of thousands of years. But there's also very strong magnetic field in the sun and that actually helps create a storm particles nichols which then rise from the surface of the sun and impact the earth days later and that connection what we call space weather can impact electrical power stations. Is it can impact the weight radio. TV and other things work so correct. You know quite a critical thing to understand and the only way you can really do that is with this. Isa Nasa Soda Roba orbiter to go close enough to the sun to feel the solar wind streaming past the spacecraft before it will get turbulent messed up by the time it reaches the earth so it's quite a complex complex set of instruments on board to study the sun up close and personal. And how is it GonNa do that. Given how destructive all that heat and energy can be. How's it going to get close enough without getting too close will be using the earth and Venus to Slingshot US closer into the center of the solar system that let's get to within forty two million kilometers of the sun? Roughly a quarter of the distance that we are here on the earth that then brings attendant issues with how hot it's going to be. It's going into up to five hundred degrees Centigrade on one side of the spacecraft at the closest approach son my other sides can be minus two hundred degrees because it's facing the cold of space and that's a really complicated technical engineering challenge which has taken us a long time to solve. Basically it means a big heat shield on one side which is isolating all the instruments instruments in computers in electronics on the other side from the heat of the sun on. That's very interesting technology which actually strangely enough involves Charred animal bones which have been embedded embedded into the front surface of the heat shields. That it's extremely black absorbed. He'd is very robust against all the particles streaming from the sun. But yeah it's it's a very complicated challenge but hopefully within we've got everything ready so on top of the rocket in America ready to go professor Mark Corcoran of the European Space Agency. It still to come in this podcast. Let's remind the fact is that this instrument is very rare. It's it's not like a guitar or violin that you see a shot and by molly has demanded compensation from the United States after accusing US customs of destroying a rare Instrument belonging to a traditional musician to Thailand now. And you'll remember in the last edition of the Global News. PODCAST all cars. We were getting news of a mass shooting. Once it was over we knew that twenty nine people were dead and on Sunday a vigil was held. Aw Aw chanting of Buddhist monks were among thousands who gathered in con- Nurture Seema to honor those who were murdered in the shooting spree which began at a military camp and ended at a huge shopping center. More than fifty others were injured in the attack by an army officer our Asia Pacific regional editor. Michael Bristow told us more. This vigil took place in the main square of Nikon Ratchasima. Where just twenty four? I I was previously. There'd been a scene of carnage real contrast. It was very calm. There was a stage where monks dressed in robes chanted prayers and and mostly people sat in front thousands of people just listening. Some down. Notes of condolences laid flowers. But many just Sat there and listened in silence and essentially what they wanted to do was come along and just expressed their horror at what had happened. And this is what a couple of them had to say this Salak who in my opinion. I'm wondering how many people like this a living amongst us. I feel sorry everyone feels sorry in In fact in a Buddhist country this kind of crisis should not have happened. Not only in court but in the whole of Thailand and won't what have we learned Mickey about the motive of the gunman all still not sure of the exact details but it appears that the gunman a junior officer sergeant major at had. Some kind of argument was involved in some kind of deal with his commanding officer. And there'd been an argument it was about the sale deliver a house and in fact we believe that The commanding officer was one of the first people to be shot at a house where this woman had gone to first first of all earlier on Sunday the Prime Minister of Thailand Prayer Geno CIA actually gave few details about the nature of this argument went. That'll be a guy that's all the time w sincere. Thorough investigations have found that the government had a personal conflict about an agent's fee in a land buying business us with his senior officer and his mother in law. They argued for three days. No one thought it would turn violent. This incident lasted full. Eighteen eighteen hours before it was concluded and there was an awful lot of uncertainty and long lulls while people trying to work out what was going to happen next. Just remind us how it it was concluded well. It was ended by a Thai forces who managed to isolate the gunman in the basement of the shopping center. where it killed most people? It was in a supermarket they managed to catch me fired back. They fide and killed him. But as you say we're getting details details. Now of the people who are hundreds of people really were trapped inside the supermarket at the time. This was going on because of course they didn't know where the gunman was. They didn't know if it was safe to come out. So you've got stories of people are barricaded themselves inside. Toilets weapon of Toilet dos to close the main door wedge it close you you see videos of other people dash into shops as shutters. Comedown other people locking themselves in storerooms and as I say not really not knowing when to come out Until they got word from the authorities a lot of them got word of a mobile phones at that it was safety on the first law so then they made it out and just I fled as quickly as it possibly could. That was Michael. Bristow as we record this podcast. Much of western Europe is being battered by a storm front. That's has been causing severe travel disruption in Britain. This was the beginning of the lunchtime weather forecast on television. Good afternoon kind of escaped your notice by now the UK. I is taking a battering from storm. Care the metaphysics has an amber warning out for England and Wales for severe gales and we're already seeing widespread disruption in the the UK winds gusting it up to one hundred twenty kilometers. An hour brought trees down onto train tracks and power lines causing cancellations and powercuts. Flights were cancelled sold in France Belgium and the Netherlands in Germany. Where the storm is called? Sabine a high speed rail network was halted but the high winds proved to be keun for one group of passes early on Sunday morning. A British Airways flight from New York to London broke the record for the fastest subsonic flight. Across host the Atlantic. It hurtled across the ocean writing powerful tailwind in just four hours and fifty six minutes more than an hour a quicker. The Normal James Menendez Spec to one of the passengers David Hill. I had had a dinner and I checked out the the flat screen with A. AH The airline map to see where we were and I was astonished. We were already two thirds of the way over. I could discern that there was a slightly washy feeling if that's a technical term a little bit like being on a on a roller coaster or when you coming out of a tunnel with the wind you back and I I lay down for what felt like a few minutes and then the lights came on and we were preparing to land. I wasn't much of a snooze. And what about what he did. Land What did the captain have have anything to say at that point when we landed? It was quite evident that we had been on a rather extraordinary fly because people were Turning on their phones look at their watches scratching their heads and looking puzzled And then the captain came over the Tannoy and sit. Yes you'll be happy to know you've been partly what is the fastest transatlantic subsonic flight in history and said what what does that mean is. He said well apart from Concord. You've been on. The fastest fastest flight was a bit of a mumbling that everyone started cheering and it was a round of applause. Everyone felt pretty chuffed and as we trooped into the customs hall won't have the feeling that we're a little earlier than expected because that we caught them by surprise I think we were eighty minutes faster than the normal flight so it was really the start of Heathrow's Day. Yes sir. Everyone was sort of asleep. Probably got to their desks. So that posts Sunday by that stage. Yeah exactly I I think people are also rechecking the boarding cards. No doubt to keep them as mementos. Because I think you know everyone likes being part of a world record when not all you sane bolts and if Larry impera motto ugliness from Wagner. Rage's can be part of a world record It's something to to hold onto every cloudy. That was David Red Hill on the flight. That now holds the record for the fastest subsonic flight across the Atlantic. The government of Molly has demanded compensation from the United States dates after a famous molly and musician accused. US Customs officers of destroying his traditional instruments. A Kora Bala Cases Soco discovered it had been damaged beyond repack as Richard. Hamilton explains but Cora is a twenty one string traditional loot that has become archetypal of west Africa and Baloch Aces Soco. Applying here is one of its greatest exponents. He had been on a tour of the United States but when he landed in Paris last week he opened his instrument. Herman case to find that the core had been taken apart with its neck strings bridge and amplification system removed. He said he also found a note. From Customs agents saying intelligence security saves time but he wondered if they would have dead dismantle a Stradivarius Violin. He told the BBC his instrument was impossible to replace fifty a share. Them Bishop The fact is that this instrument is very rare. It's not like a guitar or violin that you see in a shop and buy an instrument that was custom made and modified for me. I'm I'm very very angry about this. Because there's been absolutely no respect when you see something like this. You must respect. It really. Did the American in Transportation Security Administration or TSA has denied. Its agents opened the case but Molly's culture minister and Gye Ramatullah yellow. Hello issued a statement saying the incident had caused immense cultural damage. She added that. It was an unprovoked and sad. Active aggression under reflection action of a kind of cultural ignorance. Racism that she said is taking over in so many parts of the world the report by Richard Hamilton. As we record this podcast the ninety second Oscar ceremony Germany is getting underway in Los Angeles. The Academy Awards tend to be about GLITZ and glamour but in recent years in America choosing the best films directors and performers has become. I'm caught up with much bigger issues. Diversity and the representation of women for example our arts correspondent will dump sat down with the legendary director. Spike Lee he. He was asked what he made of. This year's Oscar. Nominations wasn't like last year and I said this last year that don't expect six African Americans. The Win Oscars next year. So I it's feast or famine and it's GonNa be it's GonNa be a struggle and the struggle continues a to do so. I'm happy to be here. I'm presented a sheer and we'll see what happens. Why is it a struggle? Why does it continue to be a struggle because power? He's not give up power easily. The Bible go way back. You know power is not just give up power because says can indicate Eddie Quality. It just doesn't happen like that if you're in charge hypothetical question. What would you do that with? The cabinet's doing now isn't there opening up the voters the membership the membership is much more diverse than it was way back so it's not going to change change overnight but it's changing and I think they're doing a good job but it goes back toward cabinet goes to the studios the gatekeepers these individuals that run run it. They decide what we're making WHO's director who's right as we started and we see more diversity amongst the gatekeepers did have a great effect amongst the Oscars is happening at the moment. The gatekeepers right. No no how do you change that. Well I think that s come down a two dollars and cents that the movie good always is become much more diverse. And you not serve this audience you lose money you know when you walked out last year during the ceremony. Where do you go I never left? They said there was some story that I tried to leave. But they'd let me. That did not happen. I went back and took a brief. The water important important they are. I mean people's careers have been changed by awards of more money. More prestige better scripts all types of stuff there. Here's the thing thing though. Do you think these deals with spend the hundreds of millions of dollars. They do on a campaigns if they didn't matter right this is a business. How would is a business? Art Doesn't always come ahead of business. And what is that Hollywood business like at the moment you know post me to and all the rest of it is it changing. Was it same old same old. It's the same old thing maybe dressed up differently of what is changes that they'll make us have more to one place to go. Do you as a filmmaker somebody who's grown up imbued in the sense of going to a fish to watch a movie. Do you worry worry about the future of cinema in terms of that shared experience. Yes and more Scorsese. My friend my meant that we've talked about this but what you have to make difficult choices by new fill. The five bloods was having turned down all the studio's doodles Netflix. Did it. I it disturbs me very deeply when I see people wash films on their phone has it changed change the way you think as a filmmaker the sort of way you make no not at all. I'm not shooting my feel for Simas. uh-huh that for screen on a phone not doing it. At least not yet. Direct to spike Lee speaking to our arts correspondent respondent will go pats and finally the world famous Italian Soprano Mirella Freni has died at the age of eighty four. She was born in Modena. Nineteen thirty five and was a childhood friend of Luchino poverty speaking to the BBC's Desert Island disc program in nineteen seventy seven. She said they the Chad the same wet nurse in the tobacco factory with their mothers worked. My mother-in-law powder this mothers they work together in the manufactory like and they are really really really friends. And sometimes I joke with low Chano. No no I say Lucia. No you drink too much milk. Morella ready made her stage debut in Modena when she was just nineteen in bs as is all pro common. She was asked on desert island discs. Whether she'd been nervous not the toll really. I I wait the moment to go on. Stage got to sing a hybrid so many friends and gallery no all the parents and they send then meet many flowers. I was really excited and and I love to sing now I must say I am literally frayed. More more than than than when I've done my my vote for any went on to enjoy along and successful career singing of vast repertoire of roles from operas by Verdi Puccini Mozart Anti Kofsky until she retired in two thousand and five at the age of seventy here. She is singing from Puccini's opera. Janis Kiki the voice of Mirella Freni. Who has died aged eighty four? And that's it for now but there will be an updated version of global news. podcast later if you'd like to comment on this one all the topics we've covered deeply sent an email. 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"Was five rowen's this logan murdoch with raja bell. How you doing bro. I'm a little mad right now. Tell them okay. We're what the matt were. The bad hooper. Right now were you. are you mad. Tell him why you get into. I had a chance to play. 'em jas golf course like i get into that. Today i was had an invite from our special guest today. And i had to pod instead of plant. Mj's magnificent course in jupiter. Oh okay our special guests is none other than the legend rip hamilton Tap in don't miss masan studios new film. Regina kings future direct to'real debut one night in miami inspired by true events that took place on one legendary night in nineteen sixty four stream ends on studios one night in miami january fifteenth only on prime video. This episode is brought to you by both twenty four from the makers of gatorade introducing bolt twenty four when it comes to advanced hydration bowl twenty four keeps it really real. With no artificial sweeteners or flavours electrolytes from watermelon and sea. Salt both twenty four supports your athletic lifestyle. No matter where your day takes you both twenty four keeping it real tribal twenty four. Today was good real slogan. Murdoch roger. bell. Here erogenous guests just kinda disrespect joel. How live coming on this The zoom call right now. He didn't even think you was up. Today you need to getting geared bro. You wanna you wanna introduce our guests that we have here right now so let me take a shot at. Let me take a shot at this This was a this person was a nemesis of mind like heavy scouting report. A lot of work do when i had to play him. Because of the offense they ran in detroit. I probably just gave it away. We've worked together for a few years now. Our boys around the same age. They've competed and like my proudest most like best achievement. When it comes to rip. Is i wear his ass out on the golf course this richard hamilton real winds. Where am i on that man. But i'm happy to be on you guys show grow twice for the noman. Thanks for may. I remember when i was when i was growing up. Like this guy. Used to have the saucy est jerseys coming in coatesville jerseys roger whenever he will walk and we'll be like artists do it. It's it's it's real right now and he grew up one of my favorite players of all time. Kobe bryant rip how was what is coatesville. And whereas costa and why is it such a great place wise. It's why was it such a great place for you to grow up. I mean Yeah coastal pennsylvania levin thousand people most of the keys and most of the people from there stayed there. Never really make it out. We're probably about thirty five. Forty minutes outside of philadelphia and there's a lot of people from town that never made it to philadelphia. I mean first. I i actually left coast veal. Went out of the state was probably. I was probably seventeen years old and that was going on. Recruitment business trying to send to college but small at small town only restaurant we have. There's mcdonalds no no no like like as a kid. You never hear. None of the the big restaurants ruth chris out outback off type restaurants. Just a small small town. Everybody's family you know. Everybody knows each other kids. I graduated with same kids. I went to kindergarten. So i loved it. I loved growing up there just on the simple fact that a lot of friends lot of organic relationships wasn't situation where you know what i'm meet. Somebody didn't know their family. They not cousins. They know how to i. The most likely grow right down. The street shows probably two miles. Long north south in two miles. East west is one of the smaller towns. That as a kid you love to grow up with just because you're just familiar with everybody area in. That's what's up man. i Actually rip i share with you. I lived in ville for two years in my younger life. Like my mom's family's from right outside philly you know. One of my cousins ramsey stanton talked about the town itself but talk about the hoop seen that is like coatesville and even expand into philly and talk about how you and kobe wound up crossing paths at youth level in the relationship. You guys develop a mcdonald's all americans together and all that man roger yeah. I wish we'd call cross past during our basketball jersey especially at a young age. Then i know when we met we played in ba. Why he was always mad on. Of course i well done well done. Yeah coatesville we you know. We have a lot of talent there but a lot of kids. Don't make it out We don't get a lot of media attention on sympathetic that we are a small town but me growing up there with all the talent that i know growing up. There's also a lot of different negative things that get into and a lot of kids didn't make it out. Boozers view the drugs alcohol. Just being in the wrong stuff. And i think that that happens in any urban community especially when you got a lot of negative activity around him but i just think that growing up with my friends. They didn't treat me no different than than anybody else. I thought i was really good. You know and my friends thought they were really good too so they never gave me to say okay. You're the one that's going to make it. They thought that they were gonna make do know but funny story when you know by the time i've got to my junior year in high school like i thought i was the best shit since sliced bread by that time. Because i'm six six on. There's not a lot of hype in our town. Everybody else's five ten six foot. That's la you know when you from smaller town at the center position. But i gore skills and i remember coming to practice one day. My coach was like a ripa man. You walking around here like you like you think you're good or something man mike There's a there's a key right down the street. That's just as talented as you know mike. Yeah go ahead. You try to figure out one coach. Figure out ways to kind of motivations right motivates you right some night year right. I get you know. He's probably about the same height as you. And i think he's probably more talented. I'm like man. This guy shrine it just trying to make me go out and practice and killed these dudes and practice and i was like an away and this is b before to social media air because nowadays you can actually look on instagram. Look on twitter and find out. Who's the great players around especially in the state and he was like all right. We're going to match them. Trust me the team. The team is a lower mary. My are we going to see. We're gonna blow them out. Because laura mary rogers you know is is a suburb. Right is a lot of silver spoon. kissed the Are is very you know very suburbia so we like like most of my friends you know we from the hood like you live though some suburbia kids beat up. Beat beat up on us. And i remember playing a plan for marian at our high school. I looked down at the lab line at the team. Who's this key rice. I'm looking down there. I'm like oh man. Yee is six six right. I saw oh man it could dribble just as good as me now. He's now pulling up to behind the three point line on my all he to shoot the ball to and then he gets up there. He's on wind fills and this is before you can touch the rim in memory you had you had to go in and just like like dropping and he's doing windmill dropping in three sixties dropping. It in and i'm like damn us but let's see one of the boss boston up and once the once that ball stone up man. I helped mile Gave us business. I mean recipes. The kobe bryant. He gave us the business. And that's when i realize a rip you know you gotta go back. You gotta go back to to jim. You gotta get back in jim. You gotta you gotta work on your craft a little bit more because man if this kid right here is out shining you. What about the rest of the world. So that was my introduction to plan against kobe bryant. What was it like to see him off the court you see him as this guy that you you know you meet him on the court playing against him and it's one way how was he off the court as a young as a young kid like i said the first time we played was like sixteen seventeen years old and after that we we were we gain a really good relationship just from us being one of the top guys in state and also be also played on the same team. So we're actually roommates in. We were able to actually not just playing. It's also become really really good friends off. The court was all businessman. He was serious her sixty years old which was crazy to me because a sixteen years old man. You just want to be a key right like like before games. You didn't go into the gentleman stretch and do all this other crazy stuff to give prepare for the game. Kobe was it. I mean it was. It was many times where we were sitting sitting in a room and we just have just random conversations about guys were playing against the next next day in in a game in his mind was only fda a written. You know when i get to the nba. You see somebody superstar guys out there and my position. I'm a doll. And i'm like man. Bro light probably like sixteen like like undo girl. Men come on man like like go to sleep man. Like i ain't trying to hear that you you dream everybody. He like dead serious man. I'm like we got you know shopping. Fish i m holloway. Tomorrow we played. Tim thomas light but he looked over top all that to say. Hey you know what. I'm ready for leading boy when he got there. He definitely showed. Everybody was ready. You kkob on a like what was. Who's on your team. Because i i've seen like like you know the the the websites whereas like unconfirmed reports of like and maybe vince carter on the same team. Who was on your team with with. Kobe was the a team. Like the stuff of legend of kobe's career and your age. Yeah owner team. It was pretty much just me and have word we're we're we're star is not just me and him right and it was. It was so crazy because me and him are not from philadelphia. We're we're from outside of so philly. Had a whole group of talent out there from guys like rashy book brooklyn borough. Who was early guard coming out out of philadelphia. Arthur davis a guy that played at glen mills who was was. He was unbelievable Rashi was another great guard so we had a lot of great guards from philly. We were actually from the suburbs of philadelphia right and it was just me and him. Are sam rises or coach. Right sam ryan's developed gene and sam went out and just got a whole bunch of guys that were pretty much role players on our team right so so it was funny because before the game san will be like. Are you know. Kobe need to average thirty five. The storm rip. You need average thirty this right so and told everybody else he said. Hey guys job is not shoot the ball your job is to give them the ball and when they make a place you open shoot the ball and but other than that. I don't need you to go outside of your game and try to make plays on slower. These guys are are the guys and we added pieces door net journey. Most of it it would just regular guys trying to get vision division one scholarship and what he told their parents like. Hey guys. hey look this is going to be one heck of a ride if your kids listen and you buy in a lot of times these college coaches of uncommon and try to get ripa cold and most likely they might not give them dinner. Maybe opportunity for your son And his in this crazy man we probably had about four other guys go division one one guy on notre dame another another one to providence. Another kid want the buck mail. Another key and went to university of penn so we had like four or five kids still division one just because they bought in they bought into their role. They did it really well and they end up getting a free ride to a division one school. Kids gotta be demand right you just got to carve out a role and do it really well and there's somebody out there that will fall in love. Which but weird story about a you know what we played on this elite team with vents. And all that yeah. I mean at times know. We'll play on other teams one offs but for the most part of it. It would just me and him. Were on sam ryan. That was the team that we played on out of philip. A that's a that's a great a great little lesson for people and it's an it's kind of organic segue for me rip. 'cause you talked about that coach really defining roles and getting people to buy in for the greater good right. I think it's interesting. I want to ask you. James harden going to brooklyn now. You've got james harden kyri kevin durant if you're steve nash. Rip hamilton is coaching his team. Like what's the approach trying to manage that. Which is getting guys. So there's gotta be a sacrifice made by everybody getting guys to kind of figure out what their roles are for the greater. Good which is winning a championship. I'm interested to know how you would approach that. First of all i thought jews going to be sitting on the sideline which buddy stephen as over there. I don't know what roger have got. Got the host of his own of his own. Show pa Roger or the guy that i tell the story real quick before i ask you know story now. Experts story rip rip police listen. I understand if y'all know how crazy russia wasn't as a player right like i really don't i really really don't i hope you're crazy was e. Crazy was a little little cuckoo for cocoa puffs. I wait wait wait. Wait wait before you start. You know like though. I have control of this a little bit right like i'm gonna show so you do not. Sasha schatzer is the is the producer on the show. She is make sure. Leave this inside role you know like mia roger ended up being come become really close friends especially after our career right but he was one of them. Do that just didn't like the plague. I really didn't like to play agents. Because roger was the type of guy. I remember playing a game before when he was in phoenix and i was detroit. Right in the national anthem was just starting to play. You know blah blah blah. Whatever right and i'm looking at raja as a competitor. Michael boston match always looking at the person's is across. Right and roger was the guy that i'm going to have to go in and compete against so i'm looking at this dude in the national anthem and he's literally crime before the game like like like like like like like crying. Jeers trauman out like you know how that one chip in the neighborhood when he gets really really upset and he no he's about to fuck shit up you know what i'm saying manager star crying. You'd be like oh man. This is crazy. Like i'll be careful with him. That was rise bail. I'm looking at this new before the game. And he's damn there in tears and unlike all also all the little stuff that i tried to get away cheap shots elbows trip talking trash. I got to be very careful because this due to mess around a fight me in the middle of the game that we both get kicked out with bove news hundred thousand dollars. I'll be very careful. With what kind of game was this. Was this a tuesday january or was this. this wasn't postseason game. was it man. Lets notices a regular season game. This wasn't even sore less. Say a playoff match. This wasn't for the finals. This wasn't none just was a regular game in phoenix. Better remember he's in. Phoenix arizona as followed go phoenix. Once a year in phoenix is very nice. Like i'm i'm a detroit. We don't see the sun. He see the sun all day every day song. What is he mad about. But that just shows sign. Telhami umass roger. Why are you mad son. Why why. I've already told ripped dog like it. It's true this is a true story but it was. It was the way like it was how i played like. I wasn't good enough to like go out there and not be like on the borderline of exploding at least in my mind right so like especially when i saw a dude like rip who is a perennial all-star like i knew it was going to be all night long becoming off shit like chasing him trying to run him off an ad like it was gonna be a long night a work like i had to be on an major emotional. The thought of that just made you cry right. Is that what it was. Nah i would. I will work myself up like the whole pre game Like i just will work myself. Up like i've fabricate some shit like i think about on no gregg popovich cut me or or like you know the kept derrick. Dial instead of me on this team or whatever whatever like perceived slight organic slight i had experienced i would just be building up in my mind to like to write when it was tip off and then i try to take that shit out a whoever was the regardless was regardless who it was didn't matter it didn't matter as you were talking about. You're talking about james harden in brooklyn nets. Yeah i'm interested rip because 'cause kazaa youtube played on teams where you had you know they didn't dub them super teams. But you had excellent scores on those all guys individually that could carry their own team. And you and you guys had to learn to work together and play together and sacrifice a little bit for that ultimate goal which was championships. So if you're steve you know how do you. How do you get on page early with those dudes and get people to buy into that. Well first of all right anytime. You got three great players like that one. It helps that. Jd and jan's relationship. They already played together. Ano- in okay. See so. If i was steve which he probably you know formerly got us multiple all star. He played with great players Play with a guy like dirk nowitzki in dallas so he. He understands that in order for them to be successful. It's going to be about sacrifices. But i do think that all three of them have to get them wrong and he got. He got a car about different rose for now. The big question mark is like who's going to be closer because you probably got three of the best closer again but i think i feel person that k. d. is arguably the best player on that team so when it comes down to the games a thing that kyrie irving which who said it already that he has utmost respect for for k. d. and i feel that feels no that james harden has the same type of respect for him also to specially gangs. But i do think that. I that question marwin was just k- and kyrie on the team guys are are on a ball. Dominic guys guys that need the ball and a handsome really placate where katie can play off the ball to. But i just felt zo that earlier. This year steve has done an excellent job of one plane. Pace right is different than when we played back in the day where teams are only shooting. Sixty five seventy shots a game other than your phoenix suns team that you guys displayed on a play really really fast. But i thought that steve nash was doing a great job of having a move without the ball. Like put the ball and other guys scenes maybe like deandre jordan and let him make a play. Put him in a situation where you dribble handle with kyri or k. d. where other guys can actually touch the ball field ball at times. I think that was the big problem in houston. Where james conner pound pound pound a ball and really. Don't give a guy who to really touch and get familiar with because by the time they can't you just gotta shoot it right so i think steve has the do a great job which i thought he's done so far this season it just putting them guys in different spots on the floor where they're just not pounding the ball where there's a lot like more of a motion style offense decently. I think that's going to be the big question mark because now all three of them got to take challenges on a decent in katya step is his defensive game over the years sean people that he's a way better defended early in his career. Career got be a better defender in. We know about james. On decent. Ed so i just think that what new jersey loss especially with lose. Light laverdure losing. Jared allen wanna bench. They did lose some death in bench but just feels like dumbed is got to buy into do all the little things now. Okay now james you might be the guy that comes out right and maybe not scored thirty and maybe have to shutdown say acquire. Does that match up. Now you chant. You can't run from that. You say okay. I'm gonna put. Pj tucker on right same thing. We car re okay. I got a match up tonight against steph curry. I gotta chasing for someone else to defend him so this that these guys gotta by down in take take that superstar tang off right now right. Say you know what. I'm gonna do anything possible to to help my team win. But i think steve's has done a great job so far but just trying to play fast trying to get up and down and trying to get up as many shots as possible. Well how do you. How do you What is it like rip. Because i think one parallel like bring your career with this. Trade is getting a superstar player mid season. And i know it was a little late when you got rashid in two thousand four season. But what is that. Like to integrate. A superstar had got. How are you guys able to integrate. A superstar like she'd made way through the season and then when a title. How how did you read that. Well i mean first of all mad if she don't come to us. We don't win the world championship. Both on the s a talented people always say man tolerance of hard and talent. But you need talamante. I think that russia was proud. When the most underrated players that play my game guy could easily been a top three guy you know in the game. I mean you ask some great players like tim. Duncan katie in third. Visit throwing that aired ed. They'll put she right up there as one of the top guys at that position but i feel as though you know during that year We were good. We were solid. But i don't think we had enough to win a championship. And and chauncey was in constant communication with joe. Dumars was like. Hey you know what we. We need an inside presence. Where a guy that can demand the double team. A guy can take some pressure off the guards because a lot of times. I'm coming off a pin down. Cianci's coming off a pick and roll and been doing his job on on on boards. I mean he's to be an enforced on the defensive end. You know he's only get extra possession but we need a guy that's going to create a double team and once raw. She came right. I felt as always game over. Not just a simple because of his town but his sacrifice a man. I i can remember when. Come into the game and we're playing against somebody in the baltimore post and the guy was on his back and roger notice rushing got some. Is you get a bucket. Or don't get to the free throw line. And i threw the ball to cut off cut off any gave the ball back to me and i a layer. I'm like okay. You know high basketball cube make the right play. Appreciate how you know what i'm saying. We went out of court. He says rear do the same plane. I'm gonna get you another one. Who was shot dead doe happening. Nba right especially. When you got a guy. A superstar has been all star guy that could easily average thirty points. And i was like we got a real chance because he was willing to make the sacrifices and i will talk about the brooklyn s. He was willing to make sacrifices and say all right. You know what this team don't need me to score third right in order for us to win. We're going to do this together. And we all got to make the right play. and it's all about brotherhood. So when he when he was when he was when he was the last piece that was added to our team. He was the perfect peace because he made everybody better. He made ben wallace better. I mean rashid. And ben were like brothers like if she didn't come. The play moves on here from ben. Wallace been wallace than come and play here for my sheep. We held each other accountable. He was the missing piece for us to blend won the championship. When you guys were going on your run right. Because i'll be honest. And roger gives me stuff all the time. I grew up allegra fan. So when i was when i was growing up. You know we. I thought we had it in the bag that year. You know what i mean. I thought we were. We was about the detroit. Okay right how was to be laker. Fan you from la from nolan from the trash. When i was growing up saw this shit you just jumped ship. Okay gosh ripped thank you. Thank you okay. Whatever anyway So i know the overall the overall Vibe was that the lakers are gonna beat you guys. What was it. What was that like for you guys going into that too that finals knowing that but you guys just dominated the lakers that that year they did they did and there wasn't the overall vie for anybody but lakers fans dolls. That was the overall vibe. That wasn't the overall vibe like nationwide or within mba circles rows abroad trying to get a question of answering it like that was your vibe. That wasn't over a astros rip. That was me and my homies vibe. The whole time was at a about to get served. So how did that feel to ha-. I know you felt that. I know that that was the that was the thing that super team against the The pistons how did you guys deal with that and to say now we served them well to be honest which we didn't look at it that way. I mean once we got rashi man. We saw three feels that we were invincible. We obtain we didn't believe that that we could be beat by anybody told drove. I made me and chauncey had added to that that we're the best backcourt in in in the nba. We felt every night going in like. Are you know what let's dominate. This matchup right. That's just the type of confidence. We had been sales though he can guard anybody up. I didn't matter who it was like. Hey you know what. I'm defensive player year i'm gonna out work. You take shown was grown into his own being long lanky. Do whatever possible that we needed to do to win and then adding rashi was like the final piece so by the time we we got to the finals. I mean we were like man we we win. I know what oughta outside what was was saying right but one for me personally. I couldn't allow kobe to beat me. He beat me for the state championship in pennsylvania. Right so like it was almost a point where i was walking through the locker room looking at in she'd johnson guys and i'm like bro. I can't let this do beat me again like i. I just. I can't do it. You had to tears in your eyes. Now he was abandoned rapper. I tears in my eyes. Because i knew that one. He will always hold that over my head when he wanted to. Stacey held at my head when i won the national championship. College are calling my little bro. You can have that in high school champion state chair but don't mean man. I got a championship. you know. And he was like oh man a two years. I'm i'm two rings. I'm thinking to myself year right. But i wanna be right now so for him to go to win one before me and then now we match up for a title game roll like then like i can't let us do like bro. You gotta come into play. I'm a in his locker like bro. You gotta come become ready to play. I can't let this do again for the nba finals and he liked. Come on bro. get outta here. I've got shed like screw which about which high school wars go like a guard shack. And i've got a garden bed up so i am all over all but we were the better team like when you say okay Who had the best two players. Oh absolutely lakers. I mean they had shacking and probably arguments to two guys. That in my opinion should be in the top five greatest players of all the time but for that moment like we were feeling good man. I we had this me against the world attitude. We were locked in. We're willing to do anything for each other. We knew that they had a little conflict on eighteen especially in the locker room and we were just. We were joined by the hit man. We were just ready. Were prepared to to win. And and i think that we never wanted to serious thinking that the lakers was the better team. Were you guys. Even y'all wouldn't even know. Because i look at it in hindsight you know that you guys show up and y'all kill them in game one right. It's not even it's it's you guys dominate game on defensively and then it seems like for the most part you guys klay pretty well in game two enough to win with kobe. It's yeah and they kobe his ridiculous shot are you how did that. How was that down. The stretch of that You know are you guys thinking we got split we good or damn you just hit three. That was crazy. That's momentum shifter well first of all like anything. Roger noticed especially when you're playing in the playoffs and you plan on a roll of the goal is to go in there and get one right. We we we knew that the first two games is to be in. La our goal was to get one where you can always sneak up on somebody in game one right. We got that handle business game. Who came around like you said it was a back and forth game. We apply what one point. We're up by two right up by. She wrote overtime. We were all by three. Yes right and i remember. It was funny because we call a timeout in. We're in the huddle in brownfields no brownies. All right guys Just wanna fat. Don't let them get up a three right and we we we. We had this one we had we had this. We had this modelo to to on a defense in man all season long. We w we everybody got hold down position right we sending no doubt teams right like if you if you got you got you got a man man up you get exposed that that was our mentality right all season long so when we're going to sound that was a copy we'd like nah we man up right. Just don't give up. Don't give up with three right so the play starts so it'll be is like looking at us like guys now found we huddle now. We go take tae starts on right. Somehow i switch on right. So i wanted and broad this dude students no way like there marijuana just tripping on accident my day right disturb you getting into the free throw. It looks by axiom right. So he comes down kind of wise we hesitate hesitate and i know the move because of a plan gives the guy says we were sixteen years old. He pulls up to three game goes into overtime. We end up losing a game right after the game larry brown comes on the blast runaway back to the airport and he comes back to the coaches sit in the front and all the players backs of course comes to the back. And he's like. Hey guys you know. I want to apologize. Because i shouldn't. I shouldn't have listened to ya. I wrong yeah. Yeah we should found like that was my bag you know you know. I went through this with filling as you say philly because you've got to remember when when he us on. That team played against the lakers. Right we all want one game one game in la game one. We snuck up. Just like y'all do okay. Got one game right so as soon as he said philly right business owner coach. Unm ain't in philly right now. You in detroit where we're coming back to la so go back to the front of the bus. Sit down but yes we got our one. We got three games in detroit. Wayne coming back to la. We went back to detroit. He wait coast to kiss. But right back to you know he he always wanted to get the last say right but for that moment we stunted and was like hey coach back to the front waiting to here that one back in the front saturday ask now and everything is not wanting to be games in detroit support for the ringer. Mba show is brought to you by manscaping. Who was the best. In men's below the waist growing manscaping offers precision engineer tools. They obsess over their technology. Developments to provide you. The best tools for your inexperienced. That's why manscaping has redesigned electric tremor. The manscaping engineering team spent eighteen months perfecting the greatest grooming haired shurmur ever created and just released the new and improved lawnmower. Three point out. The battery lasts up to ninety minutes. So you can take a longer shave. 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Koby coming to detroit like emily even la. I just couldn't see that happen so at the time. I didn't even take any notice to it. Because i couldn't see the lakers live. Lead kobegau was rumor like effort of football basketball. Like roger. is there like that for basketball. How do you know when it's a rumor as real like i don't i. Just that's you know we'd take everything israel you really don't let somebody can confirm that. Disclose to you as always rumors swirling around epa rip. You hit on something. I want to ask you about. You said that team had heard there was some beef like in. La locker room. What what had y'all heard what was going on with that. Well you know just just like everybody else in heard all the issues that kobe shaq was having over there right so to win a championship. Everybody got the on the same page right so you know zero on a different media outlets talking about that. They have friction in the locker room with the guys that they had on our team. And we were just like. Hey this is our opportunity right like ambro like that's not. That's not our problem This this is this is that you know. We know that we be locked in We understand that. Hey you know. This team is i mean they. They ran our air. A basketball right. Like like i made going against the lakers. Got two of the most dominant players on the team bro. Like you try to find any different thing that friction or whatever just to exploit to go ahead and try to handle business but we knew that it was going on. We didn't know what but we just knew that as long as we handle our business. Good things happen for you. You talked about a trade for rushie that worked out for y'all bringing in that that piece did you guys think you really need it. You were also involved in another trade for a huge name. Not unlike the james harden situation when when they brought chuck over from from denver Talk about the dynamics at rebels did your team. Because you lost chauncey and you know in the deal because that's kind of the opposite of the trade you're you're talking about with russia one that really solidify who you were. This one kind of was the beginning of of of of of it may be falling apart a little bit right. Yeah absolutely I you know. I seem bengo to chicago. I think that was that was a huge blow but we understood. That was a business been been underpaid his whole entire career and this was opportunity where chicago stepped up and paid him a lot of money and we had a conversation. We've been at the time right and it was like man. This is what chicago off. Mrs what detroit is offering and we were so tight. World is crazy man we would surely brothers and roger noticed this time you talking about the money said state in these locker rooms may guys can give very very selfish time right and and and think about me endured that during that time it was just more like busy chicago was offering him he told us would detroit was offering. We were like body. Bro' you've been under pager your whole career. We don't want to leave. You gotta go get your mind. You're right like that's the type of brotherhood. We had in our locker room where we had them. Conversations with chauncey got traded. It was it was it was it was. It was a tough time. You know what i'm saying for for for all of us and especially myself because me and chauncey had this plan that we wanna retired again right. We were actually when when i went in there and get an extension my deal. I was trying to match my deal with his deal right so that that was the goal. All right you know what we're going to be the back court. You know for everyone championship here. We're going to match deal up together. Lie bro we were like peanut butter. Jelly were best friends on accordion and best friends off the court so when that happened it did her. You know not not to the point where i always say if chauncey was traded for michael jordan or whoever you know it was still have the same impact or our brotherhood in the locker room. I think when when it happened we didn't expect it. Johnston was called guard right. I was definitely caught on barbed. Because one i just signed an extension by assigning extension. Live two weeks prior to that right in. That was never a compensation right. It was never come out with thinking about trade johnson right that like i felt some type of way about that and then also felt some type of way that dated report that i got my attention to the day when they traded johnson. That like all this bag of the seeing stuff that that that i just didn't i just didn't agree with right because it made me seem like oh. I signed my extension on data. Chance of trade right that just instant sit right with with myself. But when when allen came over man like mad him talk right and ourselves though that we had a great conversation. And when we're we're we're out to bosa was a scores. Both those guys like to attack both guys. You know what. I'm saying like to leave it all on the line and we were saying to ourselves bro. We're going to figure this out right. Light light light. You put the talent on the floor. Guys are to figure it out but the situation was more like okay. I don't know what they promise stuck with. Bacon trade because stuck easy was added to the start line in his funny because stuck he was more. like abraham. let you in a. I do you thin and let me learn. Y'all like let me you know and and it was crazy. How they kind of us me and alan against each other which was never nobis be. We always had a strong relationship. We all had radiation. We thought that it was going to work. But it just happened that they were using all these different pieces was they started bringing me off the brenton bringing allen off the bench. Man what do you do. What do you say. When knowing that promise allen serve stuff when he came there you promise me sirs so is just crazy man was craziness. How do you separate that. Where it's You know you're playing up your go. What a player but You know it's just not jibing while on the floor. Like how do you separate those two will make sure that you cool with the players is not working out. Well i i think i think one possession right in over the years you learn how to two depending on where you're at or what team you are. Who's the head coach. Mary by comes in with different philosophies right so i think it's just all about the buying right. You gotta you gotta be able to buy in my at times where you know like i might have been the main for the first eight nine years of my career. He did a young guy might come in and they might say. Oh you know what you have to pass the torch. It's hard for some guys right to do that. 'cause you so used to being the main in the team surrounded by now you've got to do other things. I think every great player in our game you know saying especially when you get older like. It was hard for me at times when i got older. You know. you can't just be a score you got you got to be more of a facilitator now because we got better scores on the team right so i think this is the situation by in over over your journey especially when you get older rep. You talked about saying he wanted to learn from you and and and chuck and it always brings me to a question. I ask everybody we have on is about their vets. I mean you might have had like a the best of all time like you you had. Mj when you were in washington right man. Talk to me about getting to learn from from mike The wizards organization. And then i do think is interesting because they got a play. Now bradley beal. It's just going bananas and and talk is that he might wanna get out of town so it was like a three part question. But i'm really interested in what was it lay learning from my tummy. Some wild shit it. I waited know about dealing with mike. And then what's your. What's your take on bradley. Beal situation there now now year raja. I mean gennabra to play play with the greatest player of all time. Like what any pleasure position like. You can't get no better light. School is than than than that. I mean how. Many kids will pay for intern by pay for with michael jordan and sponsor position but nj was great. I thought he was great for me. Personally one young kid trying to figure out this whole craziness of the nba and being able to watch him and ask questions and he was very receptive to all that. Like i say said people always talk about my medium range jump shot a lot of that was because of michael jordan going against him into pena gives him each and every day and him being able to say to me a rib. I'm guarding. i feel like. I'm locked him up in practice. But you he's gonna tell you something different but he takes to was any paula on me and he knocks down a shot he says and game and unlike why he's able to break it down like okay. You know you're driving down hill and the guys back up getting more balanced. He can't never jump to his highest high going backwards. You got the advantage. You don't know if you want to get to the basket like that's the hardest play in the game the gar and i'm like okay but then my notes my i appreciate my added that to my game and that was a big part of my success as a professional as a professional athlete. So i just think that being able to be around him and learn from day to day he wasn't a guy that just stood on his pedestal was like pointing fingers down. Like you need to do this. You need to do that. On the go blah blah blah blah blah. Would in my opinion. He can do that because he's injured he. He didn't do that with any of us. So i just think that that was a huge plus for me in washington to be able to have a guy like like. Mj right right right on my side. No doubt when you were talking about Mj how do you. 'cause we all know the stories about mj's leadership and how tough is players. Did you get the other side of that is well. Just the you know the braille side of that of where he you know he is writing you if you do have that side. How the scott burrell side. How did he get any brits ashes. What you're asking him right edge yankee. Yes did he do that man. You know what i would say. I watched doc documentary right. It was awesome. It was great. I love their re piece of it right but my experience jay was totally different. Man nj was great for me like mj. He never he never really chewed me out like okay. Did he try to shut me. Nah not at all like for me. Ron profit corey alexander. We had a bunch of young guys. That team amgen was morbid teacher to us right like he remembers. He wasn't just a teammate. But he was also the president of the team. Right any know that these like we were young kids on the block we are. We are supposed to be the future organization right. So he always was was was was always supportive. I mean a super competitive. I mean we talk trash the him right meal for all talk to everyday practice. And that's what young guys do right like like by roger like we be. Roger retired down in our team sprite. Talk more trash. The must didn't play basketball. We don't even know what they are. We talking about about this game. That's what young kids do. But i just felt though that m was you know it was really looked out for the young is. He made sure that they put us in the right position. I remember one time like doug because doug collins was really hard on young players right. And they'll double riders way more than jay. Right and i remember. Mj got hurt for for these. His knee was bothering for many things out for a couple of games. And w despite us on a bench just lighting up right so me and a couple of young guys with. Mj was am. This is crazy we'll go into. Am can you please. Just come sit on the bench because you know. Mj will sit in the back on a bitch during the game because he was a plan was broke. You please to sit on the bench man. Because he brought us comfort like he was a guy pattern back. Bill that does not you know what i'm saying to give us that even kill that we need so we're not tell people like year right now in was like like our security blanket like he was. Us put his arms around us. You know tell us okay. You know what you were wrong here. You are right here. But he was more of a big brother bus. Who was worse on young fellas who was working worse on y'all fellas Collins or larry brown. Oh oh that's tough right like notorious killers of young of young. Ooh oh bad iming as seem odd man. That's goal that's raising. Because you look at it. Right i was when i was in washington. We had the number one pick. What kwami brown right the cops coming back. Corners browns in detroit have darko milicic round number. Like like man bo. guys were tough for younger errorism. That is that is. I can't put one hard and other guys were super tough. I didn't want to be a rookie door. Net time i had to when i had my third year or in the league and doug was tough for me right he was. He was tough on meals. So i think naked that do you do you think because there's the other side of that where. Mj rip 'cause you know there's the other side of that Argument of his leadership style. Even on the wizards right because there's the rumor that he just berated kwami brown throughout his rookie season and it hurt his development. I mean his credit is hurting his development. Do you think it's because he had respect for you. That he just was like. I'm not gonna mess. A rep rep is good. Rep is a good player and rip are has my respect whereas someone like kwami brown or somebody else just doesn't have mics. Respect was different already. Had a couple of years at lee right and like season on what the what the league is right and it was more like you know when you come in. You gotta earn your respect right. Respect is not given so new either. Earn it and you gotta remember before nj came down to play with us. He was the president so he was able to come to practice. Watches compete scrimmage at times that that was the moment where he's actually looking at the team and seeing okay who can be in a fox hole with just by incoming honor competing against those planet plan was us and everything else why mccain. Mj was action came and play so it was like okay east coming as the player. What the way to people talk and say that. Mj was owning like that now. No he wasn't he wasn't doug was on. I would say on climbing way way more than ever could be and was on all of us but for me to be a young kid didn't have any experienced at the pro level. Still trying to find his identity sometime. That could be a a situation that that is not really good for a young kid especially hem still trying to find find themselves what. Mj mj will put his arms around. Clammy me too. I think the media Took a took it to another level. A talk to me about your like you've told me the story up. You probably told him before. Publicly to about about wanting to wear or wanted to be a team jordan. Dude like you talk about having to earn. Mike's respect right and him watch a you like from top before. He came down to plano and he could be in a foxhole. Tell the story about wanting to be team jordan and like mj's response and then ultimately getting to team jordan and where my golf shoes by the way our team's you know i've been asking for them for like to watch wipes over my house every week and you never come. You know what i'm saying because to visit but that's a whole other story this neighborhood beef be absolutely right exactly. Last time i talked to raji said hey you know what bring the kids over to come play instead of twos and threes doing during the pandemic. i hear back from mike and but that's another story but yeah no. Mj like the one thing about mj. Right imsa all. The sample gear on michael was unreal. Because now you're able to see all the different product this doesn't that hasn't come out or is gonna come out four or five months now and he's just waiting around the locker room. Me profit cordy alexander. We used to be all around my yell. Let me get down man like no put put us on a brand like you know it's a kid's dream to be with brand jorde and we're still young pups man we still snotty nose we we we don't we don't we're we're really nobody's when it comes to players in the nba right. We're still trying to figure it out. Trying to trying to find our own. Mitch and i used to go up to him all the time you broth to time be like man. I put us on a brand may remember this time. we'd probably just come off of eighteen. And what eighteen and fifty record or some crazy like that with with the wizards near before we went a lot of games so mj would just boss up on us at time right and be like him. Put me approach with the brand. Put me on it. And he'll be like a rip are you. Are you an all star. Na na na na man he was like my sneaker muscles for all star in champions and unlike i'm not i'm not austar in deir certainly something to us dan. Maybe i should say. I wanted college championship but we. We don't hold a week. So i was like bro. Like so once he all of that right and joking around those stomach true. But i look at it like okay low key. He's serious right. My mission from that point on was the being all star into a champion and the day. I became all star in the day that i became a champion. I reached out to him. Call him bro. We just want to championship because at the time you know i was still wearing nike but mj. When you were nineteen our word jordan sometime. Because i'm playing with jordan. But i wasn't really on the brand jordan action team as soon as i went out to survey caught in. What's up you start laughing at. You know said man remember what you said to him. He said don't worry about it. I gotcha i gotcha. So you know me got a little. I need a commercial deal right a roj. I did a commercial too. I just don't need to be on a branch so he was become all-star aga commercial became all star. Same call got me a commercial so he was a big part of my success. Big part of my drive university. He knew how to push the right buttons. You know for young is our man. He knew how to push the right words for a player like need to be super successful dope. That had that that that is fire. Miami jordan was motivated. He man you had you know. There's yes that's all it was right. You gotta take it as motivation. Right as see. I'm from and i'm from coatesville right so come from where i come from. It was so many people. Tell me that i couldn't do so so respond better was someone tells me i need to achieve somewhere. I can't do anything. Like i don't like stuff just given to and you know i'll wake up. I didn't grow up with with with everybody. Just hand delivered everything to me. I had the workforce. So i looked at it as a challenge and it was great for my career now before we a real ones i i got. I got a real question for you. Where you're one of my. You know contrary to like being allegra fan you were one of my favorite guards growing up Now i wanna get your list man. I respect you think you are the best. So what is your. What is rip. Hamilton's top five guards of all time. Five guard two guards. Wow wow man. I would have to go michael jordan. One right i mean i think everybody's answer. I would have to go with kobe. Bryant to i would have to go with the wayne. Wait three four would probably be. Who've i mean there's a lot of grey guards back in the day that i'd played against whatever whatever man so for a might have to go with ray out. I'm going with this. James harden is considered three right. we open positions. He's not about him. Hey i is a to richard. Hamilton is as too yeah. That's what i said. We put to one or two. I was gonna put usually put him at the two but okay. Eric snow gaza. And we put. If we're putting with putting alan iverson at the two. i'm going alan iverson. It is three four like the way we like. The way got the championship. So i might have to go way three allen iverson four five conflict maybe ratify yup. Okay bom sos. Who's gonna hit rises. I didn't do one bro around here. I'm a co host man. You also nba player. I'm very. I'm very curious. Roses no i. I think it's actually a really good list. I m j. mj's always going to be one is to You know. I think you are splitting hairs to some degree three and four but because it a championship i like. I like going wade. I you know what i'm going. Alan iverson three d. way four and five is tough. Dodd like not to. Because you on the show. But i i i i put you put you in a toss up with with rate for me at number five No doubt after eight up. And and it reggie to like real talk you guys. All kind of has similar stuffed was run for you right like it was yes. It was the similar task running off a lake twenty two screens per possession. Trying to chase ya dog. So i'll put that trifecta because i think all three of y'all deserved why was crime before games. He do had to run through all screens. It was some real bullshit. You're talking about life with. Reggie was the davis brothers. Trying to light you up and with rip you have rashid and banned like these are big. S dudes laying would like as you're coming around. The screen is crazy man now. Not listen i used to lick my chops waiting for raja's in whispering and been zero like look you better heading to see you know more run through scream here illegally. Ain't gonna be no chung trying to run away from his. He wants to run. Throw so make sure you put his ass to the ground. They did a good job of right. Man well Let's get to ruin it a week now. Roman and a week is a person or entity that you were impressed with this week. The two then earns a respect. I will go. I will go a roz. Sega and Say the best for last rips. A myrow on the week is none other than kevin durant. Who was balling out of control. Right now off a torn achilles. He's averaging nearly thirty a game and his last three games. These average at thirty two points. Seven rebounds seven assists on fifty seven percent shooting and forty seven percent from three point range. I've never seen anybody ball like this often. Achilles for cabinet dude at. He's my ruin at a week. Raza who zero a week. Yeah my real one of the rica's lamar dimitrius jackson. Papa knows finest from right around the corner. They they said the may couldn't do it like they really were like. He can't win from behind he was only the. Mvp like the heisman. They said like his style translates to the playoffs. Look at it. he's going to. I mean you talk about pains of five hundred peyton of five hundred record quarterback in the playoffs right like you don't win every day playoff game. I thought it was hilarious owing to and they had already said he couldn't win and all he did was come out and go down like ten nothing and then come back and do it his way to like not like he was ripping it all over the field and plan in the pocket. Like brothers said this is my style and this is how i doing. And he did it and got him a playoff dub and he's my real one of the week. Lamar jackson leave it up to me man outlets nisa hard question. What is it is fair. Ferry that's fair you did not prepped for is like no absolutely a man i for for me my role not a week has since we was talking a lot about it. And i'm gonna say michael jordan and the reason why is this man. Has his own golf. Course guys like literally. He created his own experience out here in florida where he has four or five hundred acres of land right the clubhouses some like a spaceship right. There's no rules. Just don't be an asshole is unbelievable experience. One thing that he said was the golf stone creator experience. You great how you experienced one wants to be at a golf course. Got members there from obama to tom brady to dustin johnson and all these other great news for for a former nba player to great his own. Golf course how. Many guys you know had their own golf course own silly different bed and takes care august. All the chad's with with everything that they need. So i'm going with michael. Jeff dammit a can. I just follow up on that richard hamilton. This is my commitment to you. Logan and sasha rip. Hamilton asked me if i'd like to play. Mj's course he hit me one night. Do i wanna play. Mj's score you know my response to richard. Hamilton was. This is mj's damn golf course. Now bro. I'm a golf addict this. Mj shit right. I said no. I have two podcasts. In the morning. I said i have two podcasts in the morning. That's my job. That's my commitment to the ring dog. And i did not get to play frigging. Mj's golf course. If you them you know no no no no you. Don't get that opportunity. You would be mean you know what i'm saying. I'm like rolling. Let's go do what that he should have brought his ipad got got got made sure he had the the proper connection and we could have did it from the gulf. That's what i should have done like bob with. That's what i should've done feel bad real in the week Not us Make you feel bad bro. I feel bad and You know what i'm saying. I never get the opportunity to go for 'em jays course and took we took that away from you. Sorry apologies. my that was a really really. This has been a really good edition of The real ones. Thank you so much for coming on honour to interview bro and We will see you guys next week. Make sure you tap in to all the other ringer podcast. Makes you tap into the wringer. Nfl show the mismatch group chat. Outrigger university of new podcast. We got going out right now. And also the answered with chris ryan We will see you guys next week off. 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