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"richard govan" Discussed on Science Friction
"Junk is the saw it seem predatory journals. You in colleagues have conducted a study to analyze the quality of the research. The studies that Mike eating too that are accepted by predatory journals what's striking divisions. Did you make the quick Chang? Co messages at the quality reporting of these articles is really horrendously bad epidemiologist dive moa at the university of oughta when we compare that to what we might consider as legitimate literature. It's very very much worse. And that's not to say that there aren't problems in the quality reporting of legitimate journal are, but when we moved to predatory journals it suggests that there's the screening that's going on. So for example, we consider peer review in a sense of screen of the integrity and the scientific composer of the research. Which is perhaps not going on many of these papers are funded by reputable agencies and so in a country like Canada where much research is paid out of taxpayer dollars. It it's really very very wasteful it scientifically, very problematic. It won't be seeing won't be cited. And of course, it's a waste of money. And it may also contribute to sort of adding layers fakeness to what people are trying to get at is the truth because they don't conduct a proper period view and their publishing bogus signs. If you have an agenda, nonscientific agenda or a pseudoscientific agenda. You can use predatory publishers to publish your work. You know to the biggest open questions in in science are what is the nature of dark matter. And what is the nature of dark energy? This is from cosmology. And there's no. Scientific consensus as to the answers to those two questions and their big big questions in cosmology and physics the biggest questions of all I think so but those questions have been answered many times in predatory journals. There's lots of people writing articles claiming that they've discovered the answers to those questions in the predatory publishers are happy to accept them as long as the authors pay the fee, and they're published. There's some out there that would happily publish your paper saying that that scenes 'cause autism or that there's no global warming occurring or that nuclear power is is going to destroy everybody a bread causes cancer. Anything you want to write you can write it, and they'll publish it long as you pay the fee dated Melissa's that like fake news. Scientists NC sins end clinicians and Nastro going to distinguish fact from fiction in predatory publications and he wants a global observatory set up to scrutinize they practices. The the problem is that many of these predatory journals. They are now making their way into trusted sources over example, for many researchers clinicians patients they may look at a PubMed put out by the national library medicine, the United States and big data vice of scientific papers a huge daughter basin. And what we see is that they're getting infiltrated with articles from predatory journals that are funded by esteemed institutions funding institutions such as the national institutes of health. And what is the patient to do? What's clinician to do will these people make decisions based on on on that sort of evidence? And I think that that's an incredibly problematic. Jeffrey Bill believes I'm mixing national will survive despite the recent US federal fifty million. Court ruling against them. But we'll save science from the sorts of publishes of predatory journals. I don't see the problem going away. In fact, in some in a lot of countries open. Access advocates have been successful at getting governments to pass laws requiring federally funded work to be published in open access journals. So there when the predatory publishers here about these laws, they are ecstatic about them because it helps them because a certain percentage of the people are going to be publishing in the predatory journals whether by mistake or or intentionally they will be the market the market is there, and it's encoded in LA now, increasingly so then had a we still the excess movement which many says a pulse ity thing you don't from being infiltrated predatory publishes. I don't know way to stop them publishers have freedom of the press. And there's really no. Laws. They're not breaking the laws in most cases, unless they engage in dentistry Pfaff door other things like that. But for the most part they're completely sanctioned by by governments because of freedom of the press. John hannan. I think we're gonna have to reinvent how we do things this old fashioned way of submitting a paper and having some mysterious peer review that no one ever sees happened behind curtain and results in. Yes. Or no, I think we may have to really put some effort into alternative models, and they do exist. It's just that. That's a big culture change, you could make pure review. Transparent. Example, you could have the review part of the record of the paper. That's really embarrassing. It's scary for most scientists to think of a world that's the norm. So there's a lot of resistance, certainly, if it's on to open up that whole he reviewed prices, and in fact, even Kratz souls, that's one way forward. Another would be you have some kind of global auditing system where you know, someone like me doing a sting operation like I did is just continuously rolling along to find out. If you're keeping your word of doing period view, that's expensive and. Unlikely to happen because everyone has to agree. To do it. Well, in some sense some base opposed to he that it's not happening at all. And that anyone pretty much anyone could establish a scientific journal poodle online. Mike it look legit and start making money, and I could make journal right now, I can do fifteen minutes. What were dress side and attach Bank out to? I mean, what do you reckon? Well on these fancy name. Should we use trillion journal of Melbourne? San francisco. Melbourne Frisco journal of. Well, we can work on that. Joan Bohannon, Geoffrey Beal and David moa joining me today and thanks for your east to the world conference on research integrity, ease on soon in Hong Kong again during of solutions beheads thanks to co produce John les studio engineer, Richard Govan and talked me on Twitter at Natasha Mitchell amount via the science fiction, website and share our podcast do that by. You've been listening to an ABC podcast. Discover more great ABC podcasts. 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"richard govan" Discussed on Science Friction
"Physicists took to polling gag Noel who spent much of her career at the European labar trait. Particle physics San red red Milas quite differently to Ruth Lou and sign in fact, it's inspired her to present lectures on Malaya's story to audiences around the world. She basis a book on what is available and let have there is a Serbian physicist was a professor at the university of new Vienna. In Slovenia is name is dot Kish dish, and he spent fifty years going all over Serbia collecting, the stimulates by people who had met known me lever or met Albert Einstein when they were on the -cation in the insomnia. So and eat went to great print, those this Tim and all that, and you get the same picture from all those people the authors. Ellison and David Cassidy don't appear to be antagonist of the quest to unearth the hidden contribution of women signed. Tists, but they do argue and document the evidence has been cherry Pete, in some cases might up in some cases passed down without scrutiny between skull is not looking back at primary sources to verify facts. So that seemed to have an agenda an anti woman Nagenda here. They just argue that they want to present verifiable facts to make the case this is really important to have. And I agree with them. And it's true that some people who have argued for milita have not been particularly thorough, but don't have much to say against the one biography that was fully committed and against Beauge. They have very little to say, and then but millennia which draw a full picture and from the start they dismiss all that as being here say everything that is Serbian is not worth anything. One should not believe. Any of the Serbian biographers of militia? That's essentially the message that they give very early on in that. What's your concern about that? Miliver was servant. So of course, who were offense and family. They were also Serbians don't think they dismiss those testimonies outright. They concerned about personal testimonies is that there's no way of verifying them. What they do though is night. Take all the texts that have been written about Malaysia and trice with any any point. That is made is catching fact, so it's true that. As you said with testimonies and all that is difficult because you cannot verify them, but you all similar picture. So at end, you get the full picture, but I was really shocked by this book by how adamant the authors were I find that. That was a lot of at Nissim there everything that is Serb is to not taken seriously. Because of course, they were just want to promote one of theirs. I found that disturbing. Some more things that you have an agenda to piddle you've been on the case of anyone standing in Malaya's Colt for very long time. Now, you websites up for many years. Now, do you have an agenda? Of course, once you attached to approach is very hard, not tend to select your evidence. But I've tried very hard to look at all the evidence from the side anything on concern with sound draw the pump. But I just think that the truth matters. I'd like to think that's my agenda not saying she didn't make any contribution. We we simply have no idea. What happened between them when they were to go is because you could make the case that this not strong proof that she did. But on the other hand what proof? Do we have that? She didn't contribute to his work where we have letters. She wrote to Helen Kara flow. When on two of the papers, she made absolutely clear that Einstein wrote the mile proud of him. And so on these on subject. It's which people have collaborate on the base of single sentences in the letter that Malaysia makes no claim for that. And if anybody can come up with fresh stuff, I've tried to examine everything could find in support the notion Malaysia was Einstein's collaborate, and I know nothing. Most of my life is latest to Elbert missing all perhaps destroyed. So that's a factor that also maybe she made no client about working alongside L. But because that's not half things work in those days. Let's face. It women were only just starting to get the vote in Europe early willing to last century read Miller million TV each Albert was genius. He was a God he saw himself as unique is he was she on the other hand grew up in a bakery from society where the woman in the house he subservient to the husband in serves him. He respects her worker position. And they were a harmoniously, but you don't hear from woman, you're here only for the man of the house. This is the patriarchal society in Serbia at the time. And she grew up in it by nineteen hundred they're planning to get married. The parents are very much against it. Got a diploma, but he couldn't get a job in needed the job to get a job in needed to make a name for himself. And she saw the only way to prove himself was to publish in science and get some status among the scientists and get a job that way. So she was willing to give up on her own development as as an individual hoping to be working together. We time time to create something much more and much better. Because she recognized he's ideas, he was genius. And so she was looking forward to accomplishing more working with Einstein together. What better way that to let him sign all the papers under his? But once he got famous hot you want him to backtrack and say a bender. We do they tell you that all that. I did was with my wife. Okay. So what about the climb red Mila? Mike's that on. Stein in sharing the spoils of his Nobel prize with malivert, and their sons was conceding that she'd played a key role in the work that won the prize. Well, you know, he initially was saying that when he gets an oil price, he will place it in a Bank, and he will keep it for his sons to inherit and she would have the interest from this money that will be generated for her. This was not acceptable. She wanted him to sign an agreement that when he gets the noble price. This is rightfully hers, and he finally had to sign it. He didn't want to he he he resented it. And she insists that she got her way. And the judge wrote the decision, and it says when Albert gets this noble price, this becomes the property of Miller marriage. Einstein period. This is a kind of admission, but he was forced to it. He would try twice after that to pull out of it. But she said look we have the judge's decision. You better stick to it. And he threatened her one point, you know, you're nobody he told her, and if you're nobody spreading this news because she wanted to get the papers which on which they were working together. And he said, I don't have these papers. I don't have them anymore. But then he said look threatening someone who is somebody. And you're nobody the only thing I can suggest to you shut up. Yes. Einstein could be quite vicious in in some of the things he said later on towards me that is an understatement on Stein was horrid to Malaysia and they close friends witnessed what unfolded. But then, of course, few divorces involve exchanging nasties. Hey, there is no evidence that she was threatening to publish the cheats provide. Support collaborate with him on his papers. This is in Tyler surmise on the part of the Baga for Rodney Milnes javale. We don't know what ever wrote to Weinstein because he didn't keep the letters. She's is quite clear that she was saying that she's she was thinking writing memoirs and this made Einstein angry, and he explains in in one of his letters while he was angry. He didn't like I matters being discussed in public from that. He could well have not liked the idea that some of the ways he'd behave toward Miller within made public that whole conjecture about the Nobel prize is really species in my opinion. It's clear why he assigned the money for the Nobel prize at the time. They got divorced. Einstein didn't have a huge amount of money. He knew he would get the prize. He wanted to support Malebo and the and the kids, and so he promised that money. He wasn't saying that she had deserved the prize itself. And it seems nor did she. No, she never did. And that's. Another actually that's something. I I intended to mention Milivoje herself never claimed that she had had collaborated or contributed in in to Stein's work not in detail and non general she never said that to her friends to her children. What Homs do you think done in exaggerating her story or getting the story wrong because there are rain potent senses in which women name ticket women signs? Have struggled to Maitland voices heard whose work has been procreating by people. And it's important that this is recognized. If historic comes along, which sounds as if it's on the same lines. But which when it's examined does not hold water Wednesday cost out on the other stories. I think he demonstrates every case must be examined on its merits on sumptious, not should not be made because it seems to fit certain. But Dr polling gang, young casts doubt on Ellen Esten David Cassidy's motivations and the conclusions draw about malivert story. Guess you? And the Essent can say as much as they want that. Yes. Of course, we know how women were stuffing all that. But they have a chip on their shoulder. They don't want to touch the great, man. One doesn't touch a hair of Albert Einstein and good knows how many hats. So polling also questions. Why professor Ruth Lou and sign as an imminent biographer of women in science and author of a book about the famous, Jim physicist lace and Mina agreed to contribute short chapter to Essendon Cassidy's book. And I think that really using the the name of this woman to show that they're not anti women. But in the fact is just wrapping to me is just sugar coating, I suppose it looks like that. But if no woman had contributed to this then people say than they were excluding women tirelesly. I honestly I was not one of the co authors of the book the books of began with Esther Sen's work and favored Cassidy contributed a tremendous amount. Providing historical, and and by graphical context, and I was asked just to contribute some context with respect to women of that period, which I tried to do. You're a biographer of one of the greatest famous physicist of of the last century in this in the Tom when Malaysia was a student, and here, you are lending your credibility to a project that some people will say is a total dismantling of Malaya's legacy scientific lazy as a historian of science. How do you feel about that conclusion? Well, I think it's the most important thing that we can do is to be as as true in his honest as we can as to what the reality of the situation was and Malaysia as far as we can tell was not able to become a great. Scientists did not become a great scientist. She had great potential as a young person. And I think we should look at what she did do rather than what what she might have done. What appears that. She didn't do. It's a very tough thing. This isn't it? And I wonder how we tell the stories of women whose scientific knowledge and skill only. Existed in the shadow of their mile panners where it's hard to know head of you her legacy and all those women like it's very hard. So many hidden stories, it's it's it's actually devastating. It is quite devastating and historically speaking looking at Malebo historical figure her story is is interesting because we very seldom have stories of women who don't succeed. And in this case, we have this story, and it gives us an inkling of just how difficult it was for women and for years afterwards. We can go to the end of the twentieth century and find examples of women who worked as research associates in their husbands lambs or in their husband's colleagues labs and who worked their whole lives and who contributed who published with them and who still weren't given the credit that the male partner was. It's important to see that when he use are what is really happening. The work of women has always been overshadowed in history today. They're still people physicists, we said no later than a few months back that women have never done anything important in physics. So medically was an exception. But all the others were systematically prevented from either entering the university or getting degrees. So how do you want women to fully give their potential at this point? It is important to get the facts, right? But you have to look at it. Also with a famous perspective, not just saying are we know how difficult it was for female scientists. But then you dismiss everything that's this woman might have done. She had the child out of wedlock and lusted. And then she had lost all your hopes of working on that. She had left are only con was getting married with Albert and continuing to do science with him. Sary's is interesting because we very seldom have stories of women who don't succeed. And in this case, we have this story, and it gives us an inkling of just how difficult it was for women entered. Here's afterwards, we can go to the end of the twentieth century and find examples of women who worked as research associates in their husbands labs or in their husband's colleagues labs and who worked their whole lives, and who contributed a who published with them and who still were given the credit that the male partner was. Elbert and Malaya's marriage unravelled after he had an affair with his first cousin Elsa who eventually married. Things. Got very nasty in the end next week, Ruth Nye a gun discussed her investigation of tro, blazing Austrian particle physicist. Lisa Montana who lived and worked at the same time as Elbit Malaysia. She also fled the Nazis, but with very different outcome. It's an extraordinary story. Talked to me on Twitter at Natasha Mitchell. Thanks to John les. Enter Richard Govan gel.