20 Episode results for "Rian"

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Fairytale Murders

00:59 min | 1 year ago

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The Secrets of the Self: Finding a Path Back to Source

Daily Breath with Deepak Chopra

03:44 min | 9 months ago

The Secrets of the Self: Finding a Path Back to Source

"Mechta daily his departure pro. We're going to continue our journey into self realization and expand on on the foreparts that have mentioned being feeling thinking and doing remember that the goal here is to find about back to the source you need to let life settled down to where it wants to be so in this spirit. What I want to remind you is that there are many levels of experience from growth to circular. Gross experience is perceptual activity which we interpret as the physical world and the physical body but there a certain levels of existence so as an exercise. Today let's start to begin to observe when when you touch upon subtle levels in your own awareness and we can compare them to the grocery levels so here we go to love. Someone is subtler than to resent a push the person away once again Tension attention to this one idea to love someone is subtler than to resent or push them around. It's also easier to love Ben to present to accept someone is subtler than to criticize the individual. When we complain criticized condemn play the victim. It's not because the other person deserves that. Just that's the way. We're conditioned to respond to situations and that conditioning goes back. God Long Time to our childhood to accept someone therefore is subtler than to criticize them. Before you criticize somebody yourself. Is it necessary. Can I not accept them. And what's the big deal if I do accept them just as they are. That's the highest forgiveness to accept yourself and other people just as they are without needing to change inge them another very subtle level of experiences to promote peace and know that this sector then to promote anger and violence and what said earlier to see someone without judgment is subtler than to criticize that person in the infinite debe st of creation every perception gives rise to a world that mirrors it. Aw today as you saw us and reflect. Let's see you can just cross one thing. He knew every moment in every situation in Rian counter in in every relationship. Recharge in every synchronicity. The world is a mirror of yourself. Uh think about that. Tomorrow we continue.

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[BONUS] TRAILER - Tyler Regan from Orchard School Systems

Welcome to Day One

00:59 sec | 6 months ago

[BONUS] TRAILER - Tyler Regan from Orchard School Systems

"Coming up on the PODCASTS Tyler. Rian Thomas Entrepreneurial Journey from a very young age when I was younger a lot of people wanted to give me their two sense even if it was great to sense at the beginning I would just take it in and then do it. They're older than me. They must be trustworthy so I did it and even if it wasn't good I'm like Oh that was good advice despite receiving some lesson. Good Business Advice. Tyler still managed to get off to a great start with Orchard School Systems. I get to make something by myself. It's not just that so I get an idea for something I can flesh it. Completely ad in program writing scripts for stuff like that and then I get something again and if it doesn't work I can fix it. Pilots stories coming on April twenty. Second subscribe to the GUS now so you don't Miss It. Search began for new podcast on spotify apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Meditation: Coming Home with the Breath (2020-01-15)

Tara Brach

20:34 min | 9 months ago

Meditation: Coming Home with the Breath (2020-01-15)

"The following meditation is led by Tara Brach taxes. More of meditations or. Join my email list. Please visit Tara. BROCK DOT COM. ooh Oh to allow your breath. Lengthened Nice full in breath and fill out BRAFF As you do that sense that you're breathing in and out of your heart become aware of your heart we might call the state date of your heart. Whatever you feel in the heart area and we're kind of listening attention listened for what your deepest intention is in practicing meditation right now? What does your heart longs for Woah? What matters in in this dullness? You might scan through your body and notice if there's any areas of particular tightness or tension Sense what might WanNa let go a little right now. You might want to soften and smooth brow. Let the is soft. Jaws unhinged MM since the tongue. Failing lower pallet slade smile at the mouth allow the shoulders to fall away from the neck essentially inside how the shoulders whatever you feel in terms of tightness or tension and see if you can let it float a bit in awareness. Naturally untangle call loosen softening the hands softening again feeling the hands from the inside out the tingling in vibrating there not the chesapeake open scanning down the torso. Let this next braff to be received in a softening belly this breath and now the swing and again waking up from the inside out. This was living body. Feeling the touch points or your hands contact each other your legs bottom some the Kushner chair feet on the floor feeling from the inside out this whole body all at once energy party this living few of sensation and discover in this changing dance of sensations the simple movement of the breath not controlling. In any way let's discover the sensation of the breath the inflow and outflow filling this whole body Rian and yet resting the attention wherever the breath is most predominant perhaps the inflow oh outflow the nostrils. Maybe the rising falling the chest the belly. Maybe you feel the whole body breathing even in a cellular way like a balloon. Inflating and deflating. There are many places meditation we can rest our attention and the breath perhaps the most common a kind of home base sincere sincere receiving the breath as if you could listen to it and feel it the same time knowing knowing the breakfast coming in with the in breath and knowing the breathtest flowing out with the outbreak. Notice how much you can relax with the inflow. As if you're relaxing open I've been to receive an relax with the outflow letting go if you find it hard to find the breath gently place your hand on your Ballet Day and just feel the movement of the breath feeling the movement of the belly expanding deflating at some point. They'll be noticing that there's no longer attention at the breath. The mine has moved to some commentary. Some planning some visualizing some virtual reality and the practices do appreciate when there's that waking up and noticing and simply relax opened the mind again perhaps noticing. The sounds announced that are right here in the room. Instead of the sounds in the mind perhaps relaxing a little in the body and gently shepherding the attention back to the next in brass. They're out breath. Rising breath author following breath again relaxing. Exciting with this homebase noticing the difference between the presence that's right here and being inside a virtual reality and he thought bubble. It's totally natural for the attention to wander. And what's it's important to know. Is that every time we notice it and gently arrive again. Right here with these sounds uh-huh and these sensations and this Bra were deepening. The pathway home increasing our capacity to arrive in prevalence so no judgments about leaving. Each time is an opportunity to practice coming back right here. Right now noticing where you're tensioness and if the mind is drifted again letting it be an opportunity for homecoming listening relaxing bit. Perhaps the shoulders can let go a little at the hands. Be Soft Relax your heart again. Sense the movement of the breath rast with the inflow and outflow the breath as a raft might rest in the sea breath by breath impish last few minutes letting go of the breath as an anchor home base and simply allowing whatever arises to be here where the changing sound feelings letting lifebeat lifebeat just as it is. We close a simple way with loving kindness from your own away awareness offering whatever. Wish you'd like to right now to the life within your whatever wish or blessing or prayer resonates feeling that boundless heart space that down. Louis ambling awareness. That's our source. Viewing the earth. Our mother and our laps in all all beings everywhere offering your prayer your care to this living world.

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MacLane Wilkison: NuCypher  Proxy Re-Encryption for Distributed Systems

Epicenter

1:10:28 hr | Last month

MacLane Wilkison: NuCypher Proxy Re-Encryption for Distributed Systems

"This is epicenter episode three, Fifty, seven with guest. McLean Wilkinson. I I think you're and you're listening to epicenter the podcast where we interviewed crypto founders, builders and thought leaders. On this show. We dive deep learn how things work at a technical level and we fly hide understand visionary concepts long term trends. View like epicenter. There's only one way that you can support us that super easy and cost nothing, and that's to leave a review on apple podcasts. If you're on a MAC and or an IPAD pick up your device epicenter, dot rocks slash apple, and that'll take you exactly where you need to go delete us and apple podcast review and I know it sounds complicated. Because you got to think about what you're going to write. But here I'll give you some examples. You can tell us how long you've been listening to the show. You can tell us who's your favorite host. You can share you know one thing that you learn on this podcast. Heck. You can share your super secret you know yield hacking Sushi farming strategy if you like. All, the reviews that we get help establish epicenter as the leading technical podcast in the crypto space and it helps people find it. So thanks so much everybody whose left review already I love getting those slack notifications and being able to read those reviews and thanks in advance to everybody who I know will leave us an apple podcasts review in the next couple of days. So. At that out of the way, I'd like to now introduce our gas for today's episode is McLean Wilson and he is the CO founder and CEO of new. Cypher. Cypher is a company that is providing cryptographic infrastructure for privacy preserving applications, and this infrastructure exists as a smart contract on the in blockchain. Their intestinal currently, they'll be launching soon and when they do, you'll be able to use new cypher you do something called proxy re encryption Proxy Rian Corruption is a cryptographic method allows you to delegate re encryption of data to third party. In this case validation in the newspaper network let's take an example. So you have Alice and she has encrypted data is stored up in the cloud or on centralized cloud service or decentralized service like IBM fast, and she wants that data to be sent to a third party Bob One way to do that would be to download the data decripit Rian crypt it with Bob's public key put it back up in the cloud where Bob can have access to it well, that my work in some cases, but it's a little bit cumbersome as it implies that Alice has to. Do this operation every time she wants to send. David someone else with proxy Rian Corruption. You issue this re encryption key that is assigned to a specific public key, and then at third party has the ability to Rian crip data for that third party to decrypt, and so in this case, it is the new Cypher Network that is acting as third party service, and of course, the owner of the dedic and then revoke that key if necessary. So this is interesting use cases for things like sharing medical records, but you could also imagine it us in something like a decentralized dropbox where you might want to share files with a specific person and then revoke access later on. Another interesting thing about new Cypher is to token distribution mechanism. They're doing something they're calling a war clock. which is essentially like a lock drop, but with actual work involves. So in a more quote, unquote traditional lock drop like the edgeware lock shop. For example, you lock up some Ethan at the end of Loch period where you get back your eath and you get your allocated tokens in the new Cypher work lock the participants actually have to do some work so they were going to have to run a valid for. A period of six months that validate or is hanging the smart contract every day, and at the end of the loch period, they get back there as well as the allocated tokens and so is an interesting way to boost after network with you know actual participants, people who actually providing value to the network of course, a number of challenges around this. Specifically, we're getting transaction fees which we get into during the interview. This episode is brought to you by Algren. Algorithm has built a sophisticated platform that allows developers to build equally sophisticated applications. So they built Allaire one protocol that has all the primitives that you need to build defy apps. So things like token. And atomic transfers are built right into the protocol, but I'll tell you a little bit more about that later on in the interview for now. Though, here's our conversation with McLean Wilson. We're here with McLean Wilson. He's the CO founder and CEO of New Cypher. And Cypher, his platform for alleged claimed describe it. But I would describe it as building infrastructure for things like key management and secure multiparty computation or fully homework encryption. I think we'll get into the nuts and bolts. Thanks for joining us. Thank you guys for having me very excited to chat about cyber. Tillerson about your background and how you became involved in space. My background is kind of weird blend of technology has software engineering, but also traditional finance. So out of Undergrad. For a couple of years in a couple of Serie at Morgan Stanley. Helping large corporations attack in media and telecom sector go public oris duck capital things like that mergers and acquisitions, and I left after two years and moved out to the bay area and SORTA concurrent with that sort of getting very interested in Bitcoin and. Sort of this new thing that hadn't happened yet, but they were sort of vitelic on his roadshow for a theory kind of pitching upcoming is Seattle and working out of the hacker space and randomly ended up in meet up were of Italic was hitching a theory of what was and randomly just happened to sit in in that didn't understand anything that he was talking about but dot sounded super interesting. It had been kind of aware of Bitcoin. Obviously when I have been working Morgan Stanley but never had really had time to dig into it but just got very interested into this new potentially new industry and felt like it was really exciting time to be involved when this is back when sort of you know counter-party and Nostril coin and things like that happening. So we did some early experiments on top of those protocols shut try to understand like what sorts of things could we build on this? Is An interesting like what are the problems that it's trying to solve and then ended up actually kind of staying in the cryptography space moving a little bit away from blockchain for a little while my co-founder Michael off is now running curve. We actually started the company building an end to end encrypted database had was kind of inspired by the early experiments that we have been doing in blockchain counterparty, but really traditional database that allowed you to store and search. Encrypted data without the server ever being able to see that data. So we worked on that for a while that was called zero DB. It became kind of a relatively like popular open source projects on the new staff but we could never really figured out how to monetize it like we were pitching large banks to use it for. Archiving data in the cloud, for example, but it was kind of a tough road to that one and we worked on that for a couple of years that was the genesis of the early precursor to new cipher, and then we ended up doing Y combinator in Summer Sixteen with the company, and then right after that was when the APP started to become a real thing a little bit more opposed to kind of a theoretical thing. We realize that a lot of the stuff that we have built for be we kind of repurpose for use by decentralized applications. Other decentralized protocols attempt to kind of bring this ability to do access control and share private data alongside of decentralized storage system kind of a long meandering path to get where we are but have always worked in and around the COG and privacy space. You mentioned zero DB and. That you had selling that to you know to banks and corporations I like a lot of this kind of zero knowledge technology or like these encryption. Jeez allow you to perform computations using scripted data are like super interesting to people like us who think about privacy and that sort of thing. But I found in my experience dealing with his corporates and large corporations that ally these companies are not necessarily interested in this stuff, and so there's often a disconnect between the people who are like super interested in passionate. You know check out all this cool stuff. We can build about it around us, and then the real business world doesn't really give a shit I don't if that's been your experience as well and you know how you get around that. It was definitely a super hard thing to try to sell encryption technology. Database into large enterprise. Especially, in the financial sector I wouldn't personally probably wouldn't try to do it again For recommended as a first choice go to market for someone working on a startup. There are people at these large institutions, these banks and other large enterprises are very excited about an are very interested in it but I think by and large those don't overlap with the people who are able to. Make a purchase decision. So you'll have these interesting tentacle conversations with people and you'll be excited about you know what they use it for. But ultimately, the person who actually decides whether they're going to use it in to pay for it or not. And I think that's one of the really one of the most exciting things for me as a you know an entrepreneur in in the block space is that like that's where there is a huge amount of overlap between the people who are just intrinsically interested in the south and who have the ability to immediately start using something because either running a project or the other just there is a high degree of overlap air. So it's a much more early adopters you're able to actually deploy stuff early on. So that's super exciting as founder and developer. As soon as you build something interesting, there's much lower of a hurdle for people to actually start using it. What are some of those hurdles I? Mean you know if you look at, is it a privacy preserving technologies more broadly probably were all users of signal here for example. Richard. We're excited about like privacy technologies and we'll get our nontechnical friends to get on these things and stuff and start using them. What are some of the hurdles that you've encountered in getting people to understand the value and utility of privacy preserving technologies, and are there some things that just most people will never really be able to pass off? The unfortunate reality of trying to sell technologies enterprise is that it's much more about like the enterprise sales mission and how good you are, how good your Oregon's at that that it is about the technology. So do you have sort of enterprise sales or they can reach these customers that can reach the influence these decision makers there's a whole lot of sort of comedian and bureaucracy to get sort of particularly something like this where it started touching their core infrastructure and encryption is very sensitive and it has regulatory and compliance implications for the end user like there's a lot of layers of approval that yet to go through. To go through compliance, they're going to want to know who you're institutional backers are they're going to your existing customers are because no one wants to be like the first bank to adopt something and then goes wrong. I think like if you're building enterprise -nology selling top down to CIO or. It's much less unfortunately about like the technology and much more about enterprise sales motion and whether you have that expertise inside of the organization and ashes not I think for for me not really a salesperson that's not something that I'm especially particularly intrinsic interest in. With Zero DB, what were some of the like technology that you had to use their? What's it like and how like related to sort of stuff you ended up building at new? Cyber. So she was actually quite simple. So it was an encrypted data end to end encrypted database where you encrypt everything client side before you uploaded to the server and the server never see the plain text data. So usually when you say that people like Oh, it must be like fully home orphee encryption was not it was much much simpler than that. So basically we would. Like remotely and incrementally traverse like a B index. This index clydeside sent it to the server, and then like we want search for something, we'd ask the server for the you know the included root of the tree fetch that down decrypted that we know which branch of the tree to go to next and we just basically do that. So it was pretty simple and kind of a little bit naive. It wasn't nearly like a fancy like fully morphou conscription sort of on everyone is looking for. Sort of like a client side search but like a smarter way of doing it basically. Exactly so like you couldn't really use it for applications that were performed sensitive, but you could use it maybe for things that you didn't really need to get a result back quickly. So the use case that we were pitching to enterprises, you can use us to archive stuff. So a lot of banks at the time and still currently I think are basically just habit archiving everything from like tapes whereas using zero DB they could theoretically throw that into something cloud storage like it abuse glacier or something, but still never exposed to Amazon would be able to query back. You know regulatory a regulator asks for something from eight ten years ago. So that was the basic technology and then we also built in this functionality to allow other people to query that encrypted data as well, and that was how we discovered this technology called proxy re encryption without proxy re encryption. Obviously, whoever has the key? Basically the person who included a client side? He's the only one query you know zero DB database but we started getting interested in proximity encryption because then like the enterprise could enable partners whether it's like. Supplier, regulator or customer whoever to also delegate access to that encrypted and allow them to do the search as well, and that ended up actually becoming like the the most interesting part zero was disability sort of delegate access to encrypted data, and that's ultimately what morphed into through this. The First Avenue Cypher Network, which is basically a decentralized network of a bunch of notes that perform this proxy Rian corruption function the basic idea of be sorta left behind. But this proxy rip jeter delegation to Encrypt data is what we kind of pulled out eventually became new cyber. You briefly mentioned tape drives. Our is you were talking about I, Google tape storage, and the first result is IBM selling these massive to like these things still exist in company still by machines to store like terabytes of data on tapes is wild I didn't know this was stolen thing. I think it's not an infrequent scenario where like you have something sort of a tape in, you know ten years later a regulator comes and says, Hey, I need access to this data and you go and you get the tape and it takes a couple of days to get the tape storage and the upload the tape, and then turns out all the this corrupting because the tape got damaged or something. Yeah because like magnetic data. Storage what could go wrong? It's pretty terrible. So moving onto new Cypher when you start working on new. Cypher. Like what was your your goal and like what were you trying to achieve with this and can convince you that there was a problem solving here. Basically. We made this sort of pivot back to blockchain. This would have been probably early twenty seventeen and why would we saw like, Hey, deatrich becoming a thing of right before the whole totally bizarre craziness that happened after that. Seo World but we kind of the reason why we had society not to stay to build. Originally, not for blockchain was just because it was too early like at the time back in twenty, thirty, two, thousand, fourteen, the idea of the APPs thing people were talking about, but there were no gaps at all. Meaningful. The APP. So we basically decided, hey, what have we build like? It doesn't matter because there's no one around. That is actually gonNA use it the beginning of two thousand seventeen I think that felt like that was starting to change. So we sort of identified this sort of gap that we saw was everyone's building is public auctions, these decentralized storage layers. And Swarm and CSI, but there's not really a good way to build access controls into your application. You can encrypt data clients before you upload it to. US thas sorted or something like that. But if you want to share that day later on with another user of the application, it's kind of difficult either you can just give them the key which is not particularly secure or. Encrypted originally has to download the data decrypted encrypted with the recipients key and send it to them solicited clunky, and so the idea was basically we could use proxy reaction to make this a lot smoother of an experience. Where you could as a user, let's say a simple example would be your building some sort of electronic health records application on Ip F s You could encrypt those records before you upload them to the storage, and then later on, you can use I for to delegate access to the encrypted data to a doctor or hospital insurance companies something like that, and what the new Cypher network can do is basically take that encrypted data and re encrypt transform it such this now encrypted under the recipients key without. Having to decrypt in the middle, we built a lot on top of this basic proxy country functionality to make it a little bit more user-friendly. So you can attach a call it a policy where you can attach certain conditions to sharing to the network will enforce. So you don't want to share between you know some certain time period or maybe WanNa revoke access later things like that or maybe you Wanna condition it on the recipient paying you for that practice the data I, we added a little bit of like. Fancy stuff on top of that core functionality of being able to get access was a gap that we saw like making it easier to work with private data in decentralize centralize out. Back in January we interviewed Steve Kokinos and Sylvia mccully of Algorithm, and during our conversation, we talked about how algorithms unique design makes it easy for developers to build sophisticated applications on their platform. So what's great about Algerian beyond the fact that it's fast, it's secure it's scales and it has instant. Finality is the fact that they've designed Allaire one protocol with primitives that are purpose built for define so. What that means is that they've taken some of the most common things that people do with smart contracts and they've embedded them right in the system right in the one. So things like issuing tokens atomic transfers, these are built into the layer one and smart contracts are first class citizens on all grant. So with these essential building blocks at your disposal, you can build fast insecure defy APPs in no time. To learn more about what Al grand brings to the table and how to get started, I would encourage you to check out algorithm dot com slash epicenter that lets them know that you heard about it from us and takes you need to go to learn about their tech. And what that we'd like to thank I'll grant for supporting the podcast. What are some use cases where the proximity encryption would be desirable over the system where I just you know download the data myself decrypted Rian cryptic for someone else like the proxy it cheaper computation only or where would I rather use proxy Marine Corruption? Opposite goes into. A couple of specific details, but I think a big one is that it doesn't require you. Let's say you're the person who encryption UPLOADS, the data, you can create these policies either at the time you upload the data or anytime in the future you didn't have proximity encryption and you decided you wanted to share the data with your doctor or your health records and your doctor. You'd have to come back online. You'd have to download that data you'd have to do. It and send it to them whereas with a new cipher policy, you can just specify this policy say share all my data that gets created from my heart monitor, for example, with my doctor, and then you can issue that policy to that work and you can just come back online to download and share data. So it's a little bit better user experience it doesn't require this sort of. Explicit Alice to be online, and it's also nice if like you're sharing the data across multiple recipients, it's just a lot cleaner to issue these policies as posted, downloading it, and then you know. Five times to show five different people. Listening, maybe pause on proxy incursion a little bit here and maybe dissect what that means and like who the participants are. So for example, let's use this medical records example I have a medical record that I got from, say one healthcare provider and had to pass onto another healthcare provider that data is encrypted it's on any sort of cloud server could be like a centralized or decentralized cloud server if I want to be able to pass that data onto a third party. I would have to decrypt data, Rian crypt it with their keys so that they can decrypt it, and that requires like you said me for me to be online and it's like it's an action that I have to take whereas with proctoring re encryption, you essentially delegate re encryption authority in this case to new Cypher or a third party and new Cypher or the delegate Rian crips the data in such a way that the third participant can decrypt it is that accurate? That's pretty close. So I think it's actually helpful to think of it like the traditional like allison, bob kind of cryptography narrative. So you have alice who I guess in this example would be the patient when she has some health data that she serena personal private data she's the one who encrypt that data in uploads at somewhere that could be decentralized storage layer could be s three could be wherever it doesn't make a difference. At that point, she's the only one who can access the data. She's the only one who has the key. So along comes Bob, maybe her doctor wants she wants to share data with traditionally she can either just basically she can either share her with Bob, she can share her key with the storage layer. So this ordinary can decrypt it and share it with Bob, or she can download that data decrypted encrypt with, and then send it directly to him. What proxy re encryption does is basically introduce third character into the Allison Bob. Narrative. And Character. And Ursula is basically this remote proxy who can re encrypt the data such that goes from being encrypted under ALYSSA's key to being encrypted under Bob Ski. So you have Alice, the data owner, you have bob the data recipient and you have Ursula the proxy. And Ursula is untrusted or is there like some trust required inertia? Ursula is trusted to be available online, but she is not trusted with any privacy material or the playtex says she has no ability to access the data. What Alice will do is she says, okay, I want to share data with Bob. She will create something called a reintroduction key on her client and this reinfection key has basically two inputs. One is Alice's private key and the other is Bob's public key. And the creation of a reinterpreting has way. So you can't take a reincarnation key and pulled out the private key afterwards, and the only thing that's Rian Kripke can do is do this transformation, the Rian corruption that we've been talking about, and so she will send that reinvention key to Ursula and Ursula with be able to use that reinfection key to transform. Data for Bob and so re encryption key is tied to a particular recipient. So Ursula can't Rian that data for Charlie Davor. Events can can for Bob. There's still an action on behalf of Alice for every new recipient. But since early Ursel has always online or Selah or some kind of like server side thing or in this case, blockchain perhaps can sort of notify alice that Bob is trying to access this data and so therefore here can you create a real encryption keys so that the process is seamless is that how I think about it? If Bob tried to access data that he did not have a reinvention key for it wouldn't work. So Ursula wouldn't necessarily notify Alice there'd be some sort of side channel way that Allison Bob my communicate say, Hey, I bought Wolfstahl I'll say I want access data analysis we'll say okay I'll create this Rian corruption key for you and she can either do that at the time that she uploads data or she can do that anytime later in the future like if she switches doctor she can tell her hey, please delete a revoke this reinvention key for Bob and Accept this new key for Charlie for example. So basically, the new for network is decentralized service that provides this proxy re encryption functionality. It's a decentralized, what you're saying. Correct. Yeah. Actually more than that. It's more of a generic Apocrypha network in proxy encryption just kind of the first primitive on top of that. But theoretically, you know people could deploy Shamir's secret sharing with Russell Latina shirts or really any kind of threat onto the network do these Ursula 's It might be useful also just because it's been a while since we've talked about it at all, be helpful for me to get some refresher. We we've talked about threshold signatures in the past when episode comes to mind when we talk with the folks at Xango there they had this special signature bitcoin wallet. Can you just kind of refresh our memories on what our threshold signature is? Exactly like the dynamics there Threshold. Signature is basically just if alice consigned something. Solid shooting are basically splitting up the ability to sign something across some multiple parties. So instead of Alice being able to sign something laterally, it requires the Emma Ben. Three or five of the sort of shareholders to sign something in order to create a valid signature. While you called or Ursula, is there some like cryptocurrency joke there? I. Think it was just meant to sort of hints or. On Ursula. Depending on your definition of untrusted is correct like I I would I would say more like trust minimized. So I don't like the Word Trust Louis entrusted with that was kind of the original impetus so Ursula with proxy encryption at least even if. Person has no ability to get access to the private key or the plain text, but you still are reliant on slow or a new ciphers case a quarter of versus to be online and available. So the whole network goes down obviously there's no unavailable to perform the proxy encryption service. So it's not trust this and that sense these still are sort of reliant on them being online and we have we tried to build in certain economic guarantees through you know this is our staking process that have to do in order to encourage them to be online but that's basically a the the ideas of their trust minimized. How does this additional proxy rechristened work though is, do I basically have to pre give re encryption key to the Ursula and Ursula pains it decides went to do the encryption you based on the policies or do I only share the encryption key once to policy is matched. So it's the former so we've been talking. So, far in the context of like there's one Rian corruption key in one personal with a new cipher network actually a little bit more sophisticated because we split that Rian corruption, Chiap into a bunch of shares similar to the idea threshold signatures. So instead of having one or slow with one encryption, we'll chop alice chop the key up into three or five or five or ten, or this is configured on her side, and then she will send those ten shares out to ten different nodes or ten different Ursula is in the network. and. There'll be some more of them to have to all of come together to do the reaction successfully in a policy is basically will attach some conditions that she wants the Ursula to enforce. So this unfortunately, this is not enforced to the later this is enforced basically by the Ursula saying, I will enforce this condition. So could be like you know time condition where she only wants to Alice only share data after some certain daytime or maybe alice later on, she wants to revoke access and as long as six attended those obey. act. Appropriately and delete the encryption key revocation will be successful. So the policy the conditional piece is more trusted. It's at the blockchain Lael at a smart contract layer more so than the free lehrer, correct yeah. And other like sort of punishments like. So one of the challenges I know with a low threshold cryptography is like schemes are possible but then when you want like attributability that's sort of when a lot of the stuff becomes more challenging. So how attributable are Byzantine Falter faults in this sort of scheme? So the proxy encryption pieces is attributable. So basically, what happens is every time in Ursula does are- encryption she has to sign that recruitment as well. So you'll know which are slim did the reintroduction and if an Ursuline owed provides like a false rian corruption like she just returns garbage data, for example, they'll be a proof attached to they can take and they can submit to the chain. The stake would get slashed. There's really two modes of Misbehavior Ursula one is that incorrectness just returning basically garbage data and the other is just not replying at all not responding at all. What about doing a rechristened when they weren't supposed to? Yeah so that one's a little bit trickier. Currently, the network would not slash for that because the policy, the condition that they are slow herself as there's no way for like the blockchain early currently to be aware of these conditions, it would require like a quorum of the to all do that. Is there any way to Addis in the future where like let's say I'd go and bribe some Ursula to Rian crypt for me but then I actually turnaround and submit that to the blockchain where I say like, Hey, here's proof that these are. Rian Cryptic data for me when there is the original owner did not give them the right to slash them, give me part of the reward. So kind of like gives an incentive for people to try to trick So that way they are higher on their guard. Proxy encryption specifically in why we chose it for the first sort of primitive to deploy the network is that it's a little bit different from let's say like Shamir's secret sharing or or specialty matures where if you have a sufficient number of versus colluding, they still can't really do anything on their own. So let's say you have a five or ten policy and you get five militias. All agree to sort of Rian crypt outside of the conditions that were specified in policy they can't really do anything without also colluding with Bob. So it requires Bob to collude with a quarter of course, lives an order to get early access to the data. which isn't good but it's better than just the Ursula being able to do that on their own, which is one of the issues that you do have you know if your Threshold cryptography for signature or some year she could sharing we are basically a quarter versus can reassemble the private key essentially. So there's not at least right now sort of good ways that we're aware of to sort of prevent this, and it's one of the reasons why are we talk about deploying like other cryptography? Permanent to the network like signatures or things like that. Unfortunately, it a lot rely a lot more I. Think I'm like the sort of the economic. He switches obviously much less robust than definitely scary. She think through that quite a bit and we certainly to the extent that we are others deploy these other primitives onto the network. It would be something that we want to a much worry bus answer to I. Are Talking to my friends gave Oh john he was saying that like there's actually dot many libraries for like normal proxy Rian corruption and sort of your guys, Russia proxy wrinkle, I systems that does proctoring encryption is the reason for the threshold is an only to enable things like the policies and stuff of God or is there actually reasons why by trip threshold proxy encryption easier to accomplish then like you know having one server provide proxy Regan corruption. THRESHOLD PROXY Is Not easier I mean with our library, which is pie humble. You can do just a one of one thresholds are technically you could do one proxy but I think the reason why we want the threshold is a couple of things one it makes the availability to use a lot higher. So I think if you have one proxy and that proxy goes off line for whatever reason either maliciously or just not maliciously like you're out of blocking, you can't do anything whereas if you have a core versus that hopefully much less likely. I think historically, there have not been any sort of production ready sort of proxy encryption libraries before our library. Perhaps a lot of that is just stumm. Where Corruption Times more is in this sort of decentralized setting where you have many different As opposed to just one. Is there a way to like account for? Laws Changing, let's say I like you know initially tried these ten Ursula assigned demise of key my data and my policies. But let's say a couple of them drop out is it possible to add more or less into the system? Can I use this in some like really long timeframe? So one of the I think would be really useful for this is some sort of deadman's switched for my data where you know I have a repository that has all my passwords and my crypto keys and everything and I want them to be transferred on the upon. Some deadman's switch kind of mechanism. But you know who knows that might be thirty forty years from now. So is your way to do this on that kind of time? Horizons. Yeah I. think that's a really interesting question. So currently, the way that the network policy works is you as Alyce basically specify some lifetime for the policy and when you issue the policy, the network will only send shares of the policy to nodes that have staked for either the lifetime era policy or longer. So let's say you specify policy lifetime of like six months that policy will only issued two nodes, the network that have a remaining station of six months or more it will send us under. So that's GonNa there who stake is going to expire in three months, but there's not a good way basically like. Once a an Ursula has staked for a year that kind of like Max's out the sort of the incentives for her so she won't earn more inflation in that case beyond St Gratien of a year. So right now, there's not a great way to do these ultra long lived policies. So basically, what you would do is like after the end one year, you would just reissued policy for another year although we are doing some work on trying to make the network stateless so that you wouldn't have to specify a specific set of versus policy, but really any Ursula in the network would be able to enforce policy. Talks. On our team has been doing a lot of work on on sort of how we can make the network for the stateless racial cryptography network, which would have a lot of benefits including sort of this but it would open up sorts of use cases. So even if a bunch of your. In your quorum, go away forever as long as the networks there other lives would be able to step in. That's not there right now that won't be there at the short the at the Genesis of the network in October but I think it's a really interesting medium to longer term piece that I do think as possible we're working on. He usually a brief like on like how that might work. How would that mean like Everytime Ursula drops off? They would pass on the key they're part of the key to a newer slow or what would that look like? I actually have not Duggan get two for the mechanics of how how it is I. Got It. So I can't really comment specifically on I. Just know that he's been he's been working quite a bit on apparently making pretty good progress but I think I think probably in the next couple months will be in a position to sort of publish some of the the work that he's been doing on on how that might work at least said a mathematic in cryptography level. And so on your website mentioned that you guys are working on Deshaun description stuff and the other thing you're working on fully Hor Homa Morgan corruption. One first, like is encryption like a subset of fhm or is this Sort of to completely depend technologies. I'd say they're pretty distinct so you can maybe think of. Proxy reintroduction you could maybe argue it's fully it's like a subset of homework encryption because it's like operating on this encrypted data doing this transformation. Don't know how you slid is I think of it in that way, but you could make the argument that it is. And I technically, you could actually implement within fully homework encryption like you could do sort of reinfection functionality with fha much less efficient in I. Don't really see why you see that. But like you could fully homework encryption kind of implies disability to do arbitrary arbitrary computations, unencrypted data. But yes, at new, Cypher we are doing we had done some work on F. So currently that's like. I would say that's sort of distinct from the network. So we think of these right now the new Cypher network is generic threshold cryptography network where we deploy proxy Rian Corruption Xi Mu secret sharing. Signatures etc, and then the piece is. Sort of separate. So right now we have this library called new h. e., which is a GPS accelerated a library that uses. Team called T.F itchy. But it's all curly like the Nissan for network does not not does not use new fha in there are any sort of immediate plans for to do so we are sort of in parallel doing a lot of sort of longer term research around whether. fhm. Asset allocations for private smart contracts but that's I. think that's definitely a lot further out. So, what are the kind of use cases the you would foresee here for a? F H E on New Site for was the primary application for like a decentralized network that can do these kind of encryption schemes. So like new F. H. E. is about one hundred x than just. H. On a CPO. But it's still like an absolute level quite slow. So you think about like what use cases it could be used for smart contracts are kind of interesting because. In, general need to be fast. Anyway. I think some of the use cases that we've sort of been lightly exploring or like boating or potentially if these cases in defy around preventing things like front running or just sort of generic private contracts where you can hide the inputs to the contract. Or even use F H E to do. You know private private transfers on a block. I. Don't think that for the last case, it's probably not the decision I think there are. Already, in production, better ways to do that. Now, that's sort of the approximately like the areas that we're we're looking into that. Like just more of a general question, but fit is one of these one of these things that get thrown around in the crypto space once in a while and how mature is that is that technology and how's it used today in production environments perhaps like what's the? State of F.. H. E.. Yes I wouldn't say it's really ready for production. So our library for example is very much experimental. It's not been audited I wouldn't recommend to use it in production. Certainly pull it off and you can experiment with it by I. Think it. Is Not something that would be comfortable using like an important application currently. In general like of in. New Cypher I think. In academia and research. One of the areas that people have been spending a ton of time on is. With EPA cheese for machine learning. So how you can train data privacy, you can train his machine learning models in the privacy preserving way. The main library for that is. I think it C- see you FHA. sort of a couple of different types of itchy libraries that are appropriate for different use cases new. Is. It does or operations is good if you need a precise results, but some of the library schemes that are used for machine learning have more air so they're not precise but that's okay. If you're training machine learning model, you don't need precise results. So they are basically better fit for that type of use case for relaxed the the air, the precision requirements but in general I think outside of the blockchain space, this machine learning areas where a lot of the current work happening and I think that's still kind of a maybe poc proof of concept level more. So than you know there are people doing this and production right now. And did you choose to focus on this and? What do you see sort of us? The promise of F. H. E. in the context of New Cypher Yes the reason why we originally got interested in F H E. Is because. Specifically for sport contracts is because I think there had been several projects that have been working on private smart contracts and trying to solve that using secure multiparty computation. And I think long term the issue with that is already computation requires a huge amount of network overhead. Whereas with. Know the schemes are getting better the you can accelerate them a lot on the hardware level. So I think a longer term it's possible that you'll be able to do with habitually that just aren't practical with with SNP? See Whether that is actually weather's private to our contracts in general like that useful in a block and setting I think still a little bit to be determined. But. I think there were a lot of people s in your no one really working itchy. The impression was that it just wasn't practical at the moment. But I think if you look at how the teams work I, think like the the scope for an area for improvement for H. E. is potentially a lot bigger than. What you'll be able to squeeze out from NBC just because at the end of the day is kind of network bound. Requires a lot of chatting communication between different nodes. That are performing a computation. You get more privacy out of F. H. E. Right because. From what I understand an MP. You can sort of like. Hide the data that goes into the NBC but the actual program is still public but an f. h. e. that you can actually make it to the program itself that the what the contract does itself is private as well. Yeah. So one of the one of the interesting about F H E is that It hides the his encrypted. So the whoever operating on the input. Doesn't see it. They don't see the output either. But at the same time like the the person who's doing the computation can be using their own proprietary model, for example. So I think in the context of machine learning this is one of the reasons why people are interested in it because. Let's say you're doing your you know you're some. Startup who has like the best genetic sort of analysis program, inish proprietary, and you don't want to share that program with others model with others you can basically keep on your machine. People can upload their encrypted genome. You'd never see their genome, they never see your model. And you can give them back results that you don't see, but they can decrypt. So, basically keeping the model private and proprietary, but the data's well protected as I think one of the benefits of pitchy. So I wanted to ask you what is your take on like sort of trusted hardware and like s she x.'s and things like this where like you know the two approaches to do you know you can either use all this very cool photography. You guys are built or spx comes along and says, Hey, here's this magic blackbox piece of hardware that we can do everything you're saying but like you know, no, no cryptography or fancy cranberry needed. Just your general thoughts on trusted hardware and. Do you think it's GonNa go from year. Yeah. I mean I think short answer is that it doesn't really work unfortunately. The. Why People? Like it is because you know as you said like. It's fast you can do on it today. But I think the trade off is unfortunately just like we've seen with these sort of with she acts in particular is just the most popular one. Just I think like every other month it seems like there's like A. New attack that someone's come up with. I think maybe where they were have a place is like just sort of one part of a broader. Security posture. But if your whole premises that like this is secure private because I'm using a t I think that's just Not Going, to work out well. I think maybe like I think it's I think some political Berkeley are working on. An open source t call gets keystone or something like that, which is interesting at least it's not real proprietary and it's open source I don't know what the timing is for that. But I think ultimately end of the day it's very difficult to design a piece of hardware. That's GONNA actually work. Release meet the front of the other for the promises and expectations that have been made around trusted execution environments. What's the unique? There to building the hardware as opposed to building things in software. Why I think the Nice thing about catastrophe is like increased security proofs. So it just comes down to math basically. So you have these mathematical guarantees around whether or not something is a scheme is secure obviously. To assume that the implementation is done correctly as well. But at the end of the day at. The root of security for a piece of chronology is just Nah. Whereas with hardware. It's not like currently like if you're using spx basically assume that. The reason why it's private and confidential is because essentially Intel, says it is. and. So you just don't have the same roots in mathematics. It's the the origination of the security guarantees. Let's talk a little bit about the. Let's bring it back to new Cypher in talk a little bit about the about the infrastructure I'm so help us understand you know like. We're talking about blockchain itself. You know like a coup or the the participants, and what is sort of like incentive model here? Is it a blockchain or a smart contract I all yeah. So the new cipher network is not it's a locked chain it sits on top of currently theorem network. Basic. Composed of a network of these URSUS better providing proxy encryption or generic some Jerick cryptography. and. What these Ursus have to do is if you want to operate one of these, run a note on the new Cypher Network, you have to stake the native new Cypher token, which is new. So, this is a commonly people call a work token. So if you stake the token, that allows you to join the network run owed receive work an in exchange for that work get paid by users to us will pay a fee in eighth. And nodes also receive an inflation subsidy in new. So there's two two components for incentivation instead of ization to run the node. In, then also there's the slashing protocol where. Currently the network slashes very little but. Could the Dow basically can slash for going off line for extended periods of time or providing basically like false output. So the network itself is just basically a bunch of these Ursula that are taking the token and providing this this work. So. It's a smart contract and there's a there's a network of nodes that are sticking the token on the contract. Steak, there's an escrow contract knows will stay there. They're new into contract in that will allow them to basically start getting selected for for work orders or jobs or policies, and it will also allow them to basically receive some of this inflation subsidy. Okay. How's The slashing work? Then like how does one tell the contract that the proofs are whatever the providing the user are are valid Yet. So generally if Ursula doing everything correctly like he's pretty it Semitic, bobble to. receive his data and he'll be happy but if bobby sees. Garbage response or just a false encryption. He can take remember I. Think we said earlier that every time or slow does Rian corruption she will sign like a proof of the serie encryption. which gets basically along with re encrypted data is attached to date and get set to Bob. Bob Cat. Decrypt that Rian crypt today for some reason because it's garbage can take that proof by slow in he can submit it to the blockchain. In this case, there's we call it the judicaire contract. And the adjudicator contract would then go ahead and slash that or Seles steak. Or slow we'll be punished for that. How does the contract? No that the data is garbage. So, there's basically zero. The proof that's attached is like a proof of re encryption. It signed by that particular. Until it's essentially the. As, proof has been signed by that it's easy to valid by by anyone. Okay. So it's something that could be valid independently without some kind of adjudication process where other parties verifying, correct. Yeah. Educator. Maybe it's a little bit of a misnomer because it's it's not yeah it's all automatic. Okay. So there's all on my Klay. How expensive is like somebody one of these proofs especially with gas prices and stuff on it theory. Question I'm not immediately sure on the cost submitting a slashing Appro- for slashing I will say that like in general like the current gas situation here has made it very difficult to run a small new Cypher not. So each or slowed is required in order to receive this inflation subsidy that required to basically do this sort of availability check in daily. or every period, and they do this through transact check checking transaction, which is about to hundred K. gas. So Previously that was like fine but now all of a sudden this like five ten, maybe more dollars a day. Unfortunately, it's kind of if you're particularly if you're running with minimum stake that can start to get very expensive. So yeah in. That's been the sort of gas situation on a theory has been impacting a particularly smaller node operators. Is there any like particular reason that new cypher benefit from being on a theorem like is there some sort of compose ability benefit that comes from having the look this coordination system on theory or would it be possible to have? The coordination system on its own independent blockchain. But like still be able to provide the strategy proctoring corruption work for gaps. So in principle, the network would do not have to be on top of a Theorem I. Think like in practice the reason why it is on top of the theory miss because when we started building it. The only the only option. And the reason why it probably still is an Ontario and right now is because that's right now these not most of the potential user adopts, but it would it would certainly be possible to save the network state and move it to another smart contract platform whether it's Cosmos for Polkadot or wherever I think the benefit right now for it being on a theory that nodes or paid for policies in. And just it's easier for people. Outta? Pani. Thin and you know other Currencies, just more people that hold it, but there's nothing like intrinsic to the network that it requires it to be on't off of the Theorem and I think like for for new Cypher in particular like. This sort of compose ability aspect which is always super important for like defy things like that you know probably isn't as isn't as compelling for new Cypher. How that work today and how many Are On the network. So the network, the main that will be launching. In October. So next month. Oh. That's right. Yeah. So after this work lock. Yeah. So right now it's just a test. We had a ton of tests that back in late February march of this year and I think at peak, we had something like a thousand ish notes the running So that was nice to sort of stress test things and you'll see how Colds upper falls over you know at that scale ultimately. About five, hundred, fifty node operators instead of testing at like basically perform well enough that we that they earn the reward. So I could actually pretty many nodes I think the it will be interesting to see how many of those convert into notes I think. Particularly given the gas situation right now makes it challenging for smaller net operator. So there might be some pressure towards people pulling in a couple of larger nose or you know in May make some the smaller smaller knows financially viable until either we come up with some. Solution to the gas issue or gas costs come down. So that will be something that I think we're we'll be watching pretty closely as we transition to Maine, but we had during the testing s we had quite a few notes up. And whereas some of the things that you know the the test net revealed or like the learn through that incentivized chestnut. Yes Oh we went through a actually a lot of iterations of tests nut before even got instead of assessment. So the first version of the network was literally like. Node internal. We had like what new Cypher company or A. And then we opened it up to a few closer partners, how to federated network where there was no token, but it was basically like a white list of. People that would be running nodes and then we introduce the other token and the speaking aspect ran out for a couple of months, and then we turn on test faucet where anyone could get the test the token and they can steak and. Then, we got to the incentivize Tessa. By the time, we got incentivized tests that the network was actually pretty mature. What hadn't had was obviously like the thousand nodes running at one time. So definitely interesting to see what happened in that scenario, and then we did a ton of polishing around you know like just rough edges and quarters and you know improve like the staking you I in in the experience for that what was also interesting was that we did several. iterations of the workbook which is. Basically token distribution mechanism that we we came up with. And that was kind of interesting because. Participants came up with theoretical edge cases like attacks on the work influenced influenced like our ultimate. And Design for the network happening now. So there were some scenarios where like people could do weird things around putting in huge bids during the contribution period but like canceling some stuff at the last minute. So they went end up getting like a disproportionate share of. Tokens in some weird sort of attacks around ad that we were able to. Change. In the final design that will hopefully you know obviously to be determined but will hopefully end up kind of a better distribution of these these tokens than we otherwise would have seen. What what are you doing the work lock with what is the sort of work? So I I know it's somewhat similar to a lock drop. You know. I. Lock Up some East for a little bit of time. But what where does the work aspect come into it? Yet so it's it's much locked up in that. You're yeah you're locking up escrowing this. And that s different has this work requirement. In, the work requirement in this case, you're running new Cypher node for at least six months on May net. and. So the work is like this is so basically we use the inflation subsidy that note earns as a proxy for them having done work. So if you want any cipher note for six months and you produced X. amount of inflation would be expected to to earn during that period like we will have considered you to a Benue available as an Ode in had done done the work. So the Work Pont contract basically during the escrow period, which is open right now allows anyone to escrow eighth into that contract and then at the end of the. Period in once the network launches. Everyone will be able to claim some sort of PIRATA amount of of staked new Cypher Tokens if they throw it into the contract. And the state news hyper tokens are obviously locked for it'll be six months. But allows them to run a new cipher note. And if they run new Cypher no, correctly eventually, they'll be able to recover all the restaurant. And then the new tokens as well will unlock become transferable and what happens is the word clock contracts can basically just watch and see is this node earning inflation if it is, then we'll start to unlock. Some of their escort. If it's not everything will stay locked up until they they do the work. Okay so so you really have to do the work otherwise you're you're. We'll. We'll get locked up forever. Yup Yeah. If you if you ask. And you don't to note. You won't lose your it doesn't get burned or anything like that, and we won't take it then escalated into the contract it will. It will stay there until hopefully at some point, the future you back and you and you run a note and do the work. Okay interesting. Did you find this inspiration is sort of inspired by by other networks doing similar things or you came up with Yeah I would say it was very heavily influenced by what the team did with their common. So they had an interesting. Distribution Strategy where anyone that was I forget what a but anyone that had. An eastbound over a certain amount could. Basically do this Mirko mine so they could produce this proof. They could submit it to the blockchain in exchange for pure tokens. So it was interesting because it was permission list so like anyone could do it like it wasn't live your team. You know doing I see oh and deciding who couldn't by couldn't buy it was kind of this permission list mimicking of maybe like you know of mining a token. So that was that permission aspect was super interesting to. US. In and Mike I think we just wanted to improve upon it a little bit and make it sort of more applicable to the new Cypher network in a set of this arbitrary miracle. Proof that. Doesn't really know just sort of. Pointless. Is Meant to get wipe your tokens like basically change the work requirement to be something useful for the actual network. So the idea was for it to be the work lock was. For it to be permission. Louis. But also like hopefully, like targeting a particular type of token hoarder, which in this case, people who will stay the newspaper token. Enron. A note for the network man trying to advantage over you know. People, who just want to investor. Trader or do things that maybe aren't as useful for the network long-term. and. It is. It is a bit more of a barrier to say something like the edgeware locked drop for example, where you just put the tokens in and you're expected to get those tokens in return you actually have to do some work here and it does create this incentive to actually participate in network and do something useful. Rather, than just speculates. Yep Exactly. Yeah. It looks a lot like maybe like a combination of the mirka mind lock drop style sort of. Type of thing. Obviously like the barrier to entry is. Versus locked up is higher because you actually have to do the to run. The note is not a passive thing or Esu through signal your youth. Or for that matter, you know like a lot of the defy farming stuff you'll farming stuff is. You can draw some parallels there, but it definitely requires a more of an active. Engagement, with the network passively providing the quantity for attacks or something. Are you mean to do you mean to say that you'll firms are not actively doing any work? Actually, quite a bit. Maybe, like sort of technical technical for. Providing liquidity is valid I guess. So if there are any, you know valid or operators out there people who are technical enough to set up a node walkers through what's what's required and to to set up one of these nodes and what might that cost in terms of like server infrastructure, the sort of thing. Yeah. So New Cypher node itself is actually very lightweight. So it's just doing liquor, which is pretty computational cheap. Unfortunately right now, the probably the biggest piece of the biggest cost running a new cipher notices, the gas cost. So two hundred K per node per day. Gas. Recent prices have been like five ten dollars most as. Pretty quickly, especially, if you're making the minimum amount for six months. For the clock especially. So if you're if you're a larger not of larger stake, maybe it's it's not as bad because you're spreading it out across them. A much bigger stake. But if you're taking say two thousand dollars, worth of new tokens, you're probably going to end up spending that much or almost that much or maybe even a little bit more on gas. So. That's tough. But the new time, for note, itself pretty cheap if they like test people were having pretty good success with like a twenty dollars a month digital ocean droplet, for example. and. Then you do have to the Ursula nodes. Do you have to have an eighth note to send these transactions broadcast transactions from? That can be a full know that you run locally or you can use to remote sign with like A. Insurer alchemy or something like this. So that's sort of the the considerations interning. New Cypher. Cypher node, and then for the work locks specifically to participate how that works is during the school period, which opened a a week ago. And lasts until September twenty eight. So about three or four weeks, you can lock up. And there's a minimum. Each block of five, and if you put in five hundred guaranteed at least get the the minimum decipher stake of fifteen thousand new. If you lock up more than five eighth, you'll get your amount more. It's not it's not linear. There's sort of the some bonus pool that determines how much you'll get. Exactly. So it depends on the total amount of S. Code How many people end up participating? But. If you do the minimum each escrow, you'll at least get a you'll at least be guaranteed to have enough to stay in Toronto node and you have until the twenty eighth to do that escrow, cancel it anytime during the period for up to two days afterwards if you decide, you don't want to note anymore. And then wants to network launches you'll be able to basically claim. To stay clocked New Year. Titled to from the clock and spin up a node Enron note, and then once you've done that first sufficient amount of time, you'll be able to recover all of your escrow. You'll be earnings for new inflation along the way, and you also get that stake walk awhile best essentially after six months. Are you concerned that like? With with. Prices that you know the number of nodes that will basically bootstrap. The network might not be as high as you would have wished, and you know the the network itself is not as decentralizes you know it should be if it's to be reliable and. that. Maybe put into question this the mechanism by which knows it's kind of check in. So I think for sure because the situation there will be less small. Unless somehow between now and the end of work lock, like the situation gets radically better which I don't think is going to be the case. So for sure there will be less like we probably are not going to have. A thousand roads on the network like we might have had. If the gas situation was better but I think as of haven't looked this morning last night i. think there were something like. Ninety ish direct participants so far into the work lock, which means a ninety independent notes, and then we've also seen quite a bit of. Pooling. So. One of the reasons like we coined this is basically offering away to participate in the work lock through their platform, and so they're essentially pooling people's eath to run one large node or maybe a couple large notes. So basically able to spread this gas cost across a bunch of users. I think we've seen. Through pointless in some other pools that have been happening offline just. People that are like have worked with each other in the past like pooling their eat to participate in run. One large node as opposed to a bunch of small notes. That's been kind of a phenomenon that we've been seeing largely driven by this this gas. Gas Constitution. And then separately, we are looking at ways to maybe. Alleviate the gas, the cost of in gas in terms running out so Potentially. Making the check in not daily but weekly or something like that are potential solutions that we're looking at. But I I think it's sort of not determined yet if we'll. Actually it's an any of this. How important is that decentralized check in is Could one just not sign something and send it to you guys like you know. Everything is basically the this checking goes was contract which distributes the inflation. So like we once contracts is two point and it's running like we have no ability to influence it. So people couldn't just go send their check into like our email address them. Inflation. Through some API college. BA basically, it would imply that you have some kind of key that does this distribution on. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we do not also some of the contracts the network are in the protocol or are not upgradeable or most of them are a few are upgradable and they are owned or they will be owned by the new Cypher Dow which is basically composed of the new cypher steak or so if enough stickers decided that they wanted to change maybe like the requirement from day to a week or they wanted to change how quickly the inflation comes out there are some parameters that the doubts can kind of tweak. But it would require you know a quarter of a stickers to to agree on that type of change. But Yeah I think right now gas costs not great. Impacting us as the bottom of. Yeah I mean it's impacting everybody. So, what's the business model here in how how are you guys making money from all this? Sure. So New Cypher our company at least will We have some these hyper tokens. And our business models company is that we will be staking some of the tokens and runny nose ourselves So particularly, the beginning will be a pretty large sticker on the network Other than that, you know we'll just be a standard we will have any other sort of explicit advantage over any other sticker. So hopefully, ideas we'll be on relatively equal footing with other other note operators than network, and if the network is successful in getting a lot of citizen, you know people are paying keys into the network we would. We would benefit from that along with the other stickers and other operators. Cool. So we're BURP should people go to find you learn more about the work lock. And any last words. Schorr Sydney Cypher. Dot Com. And from there, we link out to all of our channels probably discord is is the most active one. That's focused on development and technical aspects of staking you can also. Get Tokens from the Faucet in Dischord Few want to spit up a test that node and experiment with that before may not. Our twitter. Also we tweet out any sort of important updates on work lock or network announcements are so just new Cypher at new ciphers or handle their. The the starting places New Cypher DOT COM and We have links to a blog post on on the clock, and that lays out all the participation details and requirements and timing Mitch should have all sorts of the information. This relevant for expanding the clock there. We'll link to the will link to that blog post as well in the show notes. So if anybody's interested I can take that up. Goal. Thanks McLean. Thanks for joining us today and telling us all about new. Cypher and looking forward to learn more wants to work lock period ends and then that were just. Absolutely great to be here. Thank you, guys. Thanks. 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Antiperspirant Boosts Armpit and Toe-Web Microbial Diversity

60-Second Science

01:57 min | 1 year ago

Antiperspirant Boosts Armpit and Toe-Web Microbial Diversity

"This is scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Dodd Yata. A lot about how what you eat will affect your microbiome. Probiotics prebiotics stuff like that. But your skin is swarming with microbes to and the grooming products, you use might affect what's living there? That's according to a study in the journal EMC biology further tests. Researchers recruited six men and six women, the volunteers left their skin alone for the first three weeks except for a light body wash and then for the next three weeks, the participants apply to modern skin-care arsenal. Sunscreen and skin lotion into perspiration and foot powder. Finally, the volunteers returned to their usual routine. Whatever it was each person for another three weeks throughout that time. The scientists swabbed volunteers faces in forearms, armpits and feet. And they did chemical in genetic analyses of the samples, the lotion, and sunscreen, did not appear to alter the microbiome, but they found counter-intuitively that the anti per sprint and foot powder, actually boosted the diversity of microbes in the armpits, and in between the toes. Perhaps, because those products change nutrient and moisture levels and thus create conditions that foster a wider variety of tiny occupants. The researchers also found that different skin care routines, altered, the types of hormones and fairmont's present on the subject skin. And they hypothesis that someday personalized skin-care recipes could be tailored to individuals to alter our Ramones in a systematic way thus making us more attractive to others or less attractive should anyone need to lessen their Kevorkian. This alert Rian word which means they're lure update on amoun-. Amoun-. Thanks for listening for scientific American sixty seconds science. I'm Christopher Don. Yata.

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WhatDoes The Gift Of Acceptance Hold For You?

Plan B Success

07:35 min | 3 months ago

WhatDoes The Gift Of Acceptance Hold For You?

"Readings everyone and welcome to another episode of Plan B success. There are things you cannot change and I. Have the wisdom to accept them. Find your piece. That you can change. Find the courage to do just that. And finally spread this system among others, acceptance has been the root of much upheaval at a personal level and at a community level for many of us. We all know that there are things we cannot change. Going at it again and again, expecting to see a change is nothing short of foolishness. Accepting it for what it is, and finding constructiveness around it helps balance our own emotional and psychological wellbeing, while allowing us the time and strength work on things that we can influence for the better. Men faced with the health situation. A financial crisis are a relationship catastrophe. Emotions tend to take over in reign supreme. We lose ourselves written them. Instead of focusing on coping with the situation. In order to recover and take that next step, it's important to accept what has happened the reality of it in order to move forward. Easier said than done right. Failure to accept reality causes more confusion and suffering than mediated by the situation. It's not a mechanism to get over something, but to get through it in the right sets the right way and ensure it remains right experience when you look back from the future. knowning acceptance is a lifelong process. That allows for clarity in a situation. Promotes confusion and despair. As a result of the player. You get to control the experience to provide better outcomes. That would not be prison otherwise. Acceptance is eventful and courageous action. It's great to have goals and to pursue them. After all our resilience is tested by efforts to make things happen. You might have voted the freeze. Man Proposes God disposes. What happens when your best laid plans feel. It's easy to fetal. Sad menu fought shock of your expectations, but in such Mormons. What's needed is not just blindly accepting for what is but not giving up on yourself, yourself would sell flow and appreciation of challenges and go at them. Win Again. When you have this, you will move forward. No matter the outcome. Boone Judge for foreign lives and get trapped in that means. It's not about you or the mets minutes of the outcome. It's just acceptance of what the situation is. It's human nature to attribute the reason for the outcome ourselves. But many times that far from the case. A new amount of blame game will help you move forward. Except the situation in take that next step in the direction, you need to make progress to move forward. It might seem difficult at fussed. cognitively manage inherent reactions to situations. But, to be absolutely clear acceptance doesn't mean giving up or showing you a weakness, it means respecting the process for what it is annoying that even the situation or outcome that you're in is temporary and has to change. Experienced the moment and loan lessons who make tougher to them. Find controls, so you may maintain balance, no matter the outcome. Acknowledged your own role in the situation and boom get burdened by your analysis of it. The next step change the status quo. Tend to be hotter ourselves than needed. Certain Deanery owning up allows for corrective action, but being hard on oneself. Help no-one Rian themselves. To constructively. Down by yield or repression is no answer. Positive mind is always pushing forward. Knowing yourself that you're better than this. And when you do no amount of shortcomings in getting your way of progress. Acceptance is available understanding your expedients in the moment, and the woven your thought process by looking inside from the outside at the situation. It helps you prepare better for the next step in the process. Everything, around human look, dark and gloomy. And you just don't see any male to despair. Impossible to find spark in the situation you're in. But know that there is always something, but look forward to even in the broadcast of experiences. That's time and effort on your part and the ability to look for. The rain will be on the horizon. So acceptance find clarity. Associate, but also disassociate yourself from the situation and outcomes to find that clarity of at and only then can you move forward? After life is a journey that we're all on. Normal of downs in stop us from going to it. I hope you like that episode and enjoying old episodes in plan D success podcast. 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Rian Jairell

The Basement Diaries

1:10:35 hr | 9 months ago

Rian Jairell

"Hey everybody welcome to the basement diaries. This is the second week of the New Year for us. If you missed last week's episode go check it out. James was on and we had a fun conversation. This is the first week back in the actual basement because that week we went to his apartment and by we I mean me but yeah this week. We're back And I have a really fun guest here riot J. Role who is a really thoughtful person. I really enjoyed having him down here. He was the first person that I didn't know at all before recording. I usually you know I've had people on here that I kind of knew before but weren't like you know we were just like acquaintances or something. But I haven't had anybody on here that I absolutely I didn't know at all like this was the first conversation. This is the first time I'd seen him. I mean I had researched him a little bit Google them and stuff often. I saw some pictures of him. But you know I didn't know really what to expect and I was you know. All My expectations were shattered. He was he's a great guy. He provided a lot of a really useful tips for actors and I just was very open and honest about his own experience as an actor and loves talking shop and I love an actor. Who likes talking about acting it's something that I I love to do. I love to talk about the craft. Loved to pick people's brains about it and you know. See how they do it. I like to be sponge in that regard and I think he has a lot of the same Instincts as well so I was able to really connect with him. But Yeah Ryan I actually How this all worked out? If you're curious and we probably we'll get into it and the interview but Bethany Heart Hussan last November. She had worked with him on the show. Oh equities and was his voice and dialect coach for that and she recommended him to me to be on the podcast. And I'm really glad that could work out. Yeah the whole thing about that is that I've interviewed. Probably you know I've done like forty seven episodes not every every time I I've probably interviewed over thirty thirty people and you know I'm kinda running out. I'm fairly new to Chicago so I I don't know that many people and and I'm kind of running out of the people in my own network so I'm starting to expand now and every time I have somebody on I'm like hey if have you know someone who would like to be on the show or has a story to tell like please tell them so We can get them on and kind of expand. Our horizons a little bit but Ryan was a very good natured person and I really enjoyed talking to him and I think you'll enjoy listening to him. But I gotTA catch up on some other news in my life because it's all about me baby so we just got got a couple new cats. I know you probably heard from my Episode the bandit diaries that I did. It was the last I episode of Twenty Nine Thousand Nine hundred and I talked a lot about the grieving process of bandit and how that has has affected clarinetist lives and it's been hard and it's still hard it continues to be but we decided that it was time to get to new kitties and and their names are frank and Floyd One of them has a grey cat. The other Frank Gray Floyd is orange and they are the cutest little guys ever they were there Farrell and they were found in a basement like an abandoned basement and they were at this shelter for about seven months and We saw them and instantly felt a connection with them and we were like these are the two we just. I knew it. We knew they were the ones and right now. There are a little skittish there they they don't really come out unless it's for food at night when when we're not around. They're they're scared of us and you know it's a it's a process it'll take them a little bit too warm up but it's just nice nice to have some creatures in the apartment to keep us company you know it just makes it feel a little. There's a little more structure and there's a little more. It's nice to have something to take care of. I really do think that but yeah so. That's the update to new cats. That's about it. I mean I'm writing script right now. I'm not really going to go into the details of it because it's it's a pretty personal story and yeah something that I was like. I need to get this out because it happened to me. The event that I'm writing about happened. Send me like seven years ago and I knew it would be a great story because it's one of those stories that you hear in your like that didn't actually happen in but it did and stranger than fiction truly and I was like I gotTa turn this into a story at some point and finally I'm Distanced enough away from the experience that I can actually write about it so I'm like a hundred pages in on the first draft and I really really like it. I'm going to be starting a second draft here shortly after I finished the first draft. That's how that's how the sequence usually usually goes you do a first draft and then a second draft you don't do a second draft and then a first draft although that could be an experiment in itself What would that entail just writing a really really good draft first and then just like making shittier the second time around? I don't know all right. Well Yeah and that. That's something I've been working on and I don't know what I'm GonNa do with a which is a good feeling because I'm like I'm just writing it for me and if I think it's any good I'll submit it places but that's not what it's about it's about getting that down on paper getting that story down all right. That's all that's all. Just make sure make sure to review this on apple podcasts. If you like the show make sure you review it gives us good ratings. Oh also I wanted to plug somebody else's podcast I had KC Ellis on. Casey and Jessica if you remember them And they were promoting their podcast daylight savings time. Well Hey I was in an episode of it upsets actually Helen of toy and the longboat. So if you should listen to those two and all there are other episodes because they are fantastic it is a great show. It's like a humorous twilight zone. I binged all the episodes when I was on my mini vacation Ak Shen during the holidays. Such great writing and they do a really good job of editing episodes to. I'm always blown away away by him. They just did a live show. And I'M GONNA plug it on social media and everything but they just did a live show at the time that I'm recording this. They haven't done it yet. But by the time this airs they will have done the live. Show so I'm just GONNA go out on a limb here here and say I'm going to go into it. I'm not a part of it but I'm GonNa be in the audience for it. I'M GONNA go out on a limb here and say it was great. It was a fantastic antastic show and I loved it. I hope I don't regret I hope I don't regret saying that. I'm sure I won't because I really do. Think show is amazing but yet check it out. support support local podcast. People support local artis. That's what this show is all about. It's about community all right. Well I hope you all enjoy Ryan J Rao should I say Jeff award-winning Ryan Jail. Yes should he was funny during the conversation he you know I totally totally identify with this. Because he was talking about his performance in the show he wanted Jeff or which was the Kentucky Cycle and he had said like he was trying it was so awesome to be a part of this great production but he had accidentally said great performance. And I was like well it was is a great performance too because you WanNa Jeff Ward and he was like I can just tell how you know. He's he's it seems to me as a very humble person so the idea that anybody would think that he was calling its own performance. Great is like terrifying for him. I don't know if I have any of that right. That is my perception of it though. So Ryan correct me. If I'm wrong but I think you I do I I I since that fear I sensed it. Okay well enough Chitchat. Let's get to the interview Ryan. J Ro L.. Everyone all right. We're good to go okay. Welcome to the Basement Ryan. Thank you. It's good to be. Hi Good to have you here. I feel like you are the first person I've had on that I don't know at all. Okay yeah so this is new for me okay. Good so The way that we met we have mutual friends with Bethany heart correct. Yeah and she recommended that I have you on and she had mentioned that you were Grad student at Illinois state. Right right so yeah. So what years did you go to Illinois. Yeah so I was there from two thousand two to two thousand four. Oh okay so I I was supposed to graduate. Well I like the basically I got my degree in the winter of two thousand four. Okay I see you and then have you been end Chicago acting since then Yeah pretty much I mean I leave to kind depends but over the years elite for Summers doing like you know repertory theatre or or shakespeare usually like regional stuff but yeah. I've pretty much been in Chicago since since I graduated. We did like a showcase uh-huh showcase. Yeah I remember though. Yeah I got an agent out of that aisle grace kind of just started working as soon as I got here. Oh that is amazing. Yeah and so and after about four years I kind of turned and looked around. I looked back and I was like. Oh I've pretty much been consistently working storefront theater and started getting into like more Equity Houses doing ensemble. Yes chorus stuff like that. But but yeah the GRA- Grad program was too. It's like two years like full four years so I think you get a little break around Christmas but other than that are you pretty much live was did you so are you from Illinois or did you travel to go to you. Yeah so I I'm from Wyoming roaming okay so I grew up there. I went to my Undergrad. There and then I was you know the faculty at Wyoming strange range because they really were really pushing Grad school. Like right out of Undergrad. Really and I think the reason why they were doing that is because in Wyoming you know the closest Metropolitan Areas Denver. Yes like three hours away. Oh Wow so you're you're just even though we had a great faculty and had really great classes and I felt like it was wonderful undergrad experience. Yeah just no connections and so. I think that they were kind of trying to get people to go to Grad school so they could get money and to get more connections. Yeah because then. That's the only connections. They would really have is with the Grad school right right so so I have a bunch of Grad schools and and there was one school in particular that took a shining to me or it seemed that way. I was in court correspondence with the head of their acting program. I'm and was Rutgers University. Okay and so I was really holding out for them. I turned down some other schools that made offers and I ended up being I was like I alternate for rutgers and then like can't remember when they told me it was like way past it was like way past the deadline of WHO's in May or something thing. Oh sorry you're not you're not in so I didn't have any plans. I didn't know what I was going to do. Yeah and I had friends that had moved to Chicago and I believe the year prior to that Victory Gardens had one best regional theater in the country. You GotTa Tony Oni. In so Chicago was kind of on my mind. I moved here for about here for about a year and a half two years before going to Illinois. So so you did. Have you. Did a little stint here before I went back to school. So what did you do during that time I worked I did. I think I did. Three shows oh Nice Nice. I did some readings I worked at rock-bottom downtown. Oh nicest server you know. You did the typical typical. It was so funny because I think back to that time I didn't have a phone. I was Performing since it was like two thousand two thousand probably way around. Two thousand didn't really need a phone. I got no but that was just when the little cell phones like the Nokia. Oh was really popular. At ends he and it was like a little phone about that big and you just act the face on the pro. I think that was my first phone. First phone okay. Yeah Yeah So. I didn't have a phone and performance to be at a newspaper form. Yeah and I would go to this laundromat across the street and get on their payphone to make to call. Because you didn't like send in where you could send in mailers but yeah and we're doing the emails. Yeah doing it so easy now I know but wow I can you imagine having to call these. Yes leave I had a friend who was working at the Goodman. She was like working in publicity. Who's also from Wyoming? And so she gave me a her number to give to them for like voicemails and that I would check in with her at the end of the day like until I got my own phone but yeah it's like it's such a different time time. You do miss that at all. Like I don't know because there is something more personal about it like you actually get to talk with someone and yeah and now it's like all l. e. mail so you're like. Am I going to hear anything back. I don't know I know I do. I ended like sometimes with work or with friends. I'll just call them because I'm like what I want to explain to you. I just don't want to sit down and type it out. Yeah sometimes I just wanted to. Yeah I just want to just talk and I do you like that personal connection. Yeah but I. I have to say like going to a laundromat using quarters to call a phone. It was kind of kind of a pain. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's probably the most efficient way to do things so But that was the time I was in my early twenties. You know I was working at a restaurant. I was trying to do a little bit of theater acting. I I got an agent so it was auditioning listening for commercials here. And they're nice but I just didn't feel I felt like I was kind of getting. I just didn't feel ready. Yeah you know you were kind of thrown into do it in your life a little bit. I don't have that you know you were in school but a little town but it was also kind of. I think it was more of a culture shock than I realized because I was just thrown into it I was like sleeping on a couch. I didn't really have my own room. Yeah I had like these makeshift boxes as like my dresser because it was just trying to make do with what I had. Yeah because I just kind of moved into town in an unconventional way I guess but but yeah so I guess I guess you gotTa go through those times. Yeah definitely I don't know if I really miss them but I think are you know it's just kind of you live and you learn in that in that regard and I think like I think it was really good for me to go through that time. Yeah definitely I mean I can with a few friends from actually I. We lived like in an attic while we were doing this. Shakespeare company Buzney like in the middle of Massachusetts and I. It was an uncomfortable. I'm sure it was like during the summer was really hot. It was like no air conditioning. Okay and I ninety five degrees but I look back at that time now and I'm like that was that was like formative toto. Yeah yeah that's how and that's I think that's how that's how how it is. Yeah it's not it's just how life is I. Guess there's GonNa be some really great stuff and there's going to be some stuff that isn't so great and there's things you've got to work through and and especially being a young man in a metropolitan very large city. Yeah trying to figure out just how to maneuver through home. Big League was Laremy or how Salamis like I think. Well I don't think it really hasn't grown much like thirty two thousand people. Okay yeah but it has it has. There's only one four year university in the states and that's in Laramie University Wyoming And I think there's probably around twelve to fourteen thousand students that go there okay. So it's mostly a college town then. Yeah Yeah Yeah I see so what was your what was was your decision to go to Grad school like once you had been in Chicago for a little bit like what made that click where you're like. I think I need yeah training I I just felt like the roles that I was getting cast in. We're very kind of kind of like I was being casting these kind of like all American kind of all American roles of being like kind of like. I'm not trying to say that I'm handsome but like handsome. But kinda dumb yeah and I was getting cast and I played a series of roles in very different shows but they were all kind of the same and I just didn't feel very connected to the theater scene. I didn't really know what was going on. I wasn't taking taking the initiative to go and see plays but I really didn't know much about the theater company didn't know about like I just felt kind of lost. Well yeah and it's hard to know like how how do you get inside of this world. Totally yeah and back. Then you know you weren't. It didn't travel at the speed of light the way it does. Now where you just you. Yeah there's so much access you have through the Internet. Well I mean you can even just make stuff with friends now. Oh yeah blow up on and maybe you yeah online. Fine I mean the thing is is like there are probably lots of people doing their own thing back then that maybe didn't really that I didn't even know anything about yeah. They used to have this thing. It was called Act One on studios or act it was like a bookstore. Okay and it was kind of like around Lincoln and Right would or you know somewhere over in Lincoln Park mark there and it was. I think it's where the the Apollo theater is now where they do like million million dollar quartet like over there anyway. Is this basically so that was the bookstore. It was a theater bookstore and then they had all like if they had auditions for certain plays in certain companies all the sides rides would be there. Oh Wow so you would get an audition or like sake hall or submit your stuff through the mail. Yeah and get a call. Usually you get a call on your voicemail saying you know they want to see you for a certain part. Here's the audition time or whatever and you go to act one bookstore to get the sides and read the play possibly acidly if it's there so sometimes you go there and it'd be like ten twenty thirty people all just hanging around reading outsides or reading the plays it was. Yeah it was really wild wild. I can't remember that went out. went out of business but it was probably like like I think by the time that I got back from Grad School I think it had closed host. But yeah you communicated in a different way for sure. Yeah but I did feel Kinda lost and my living situation was pretty tough and my girlfriend didn't live of here. I was having a hard time adjusting to the city. Yeah definitely but I did feel that I needed more training. Did feel a little like I wanted to. I wanted to grow my craft and and I just I could have stuck it out more in the city and learned and met people and I I think I probably would have been okay. And then maybe go to Grad school at a later time like maybe late twenties. Yeah but I didn't do that and I I don't know if that would have been better for me or not but you're here now. I'm here now. I made the decision and I wince and I when I came back I had a much stronger. Her Status Stab at the thing. Yeah really started working right away. started like really having. Maybe it was just a better just being more confident. Yeah Yeah do you. Do you think Grad School gave you a lot of that confidence I think so. I mean everyone who goes to school is going to have their issue with school Bazzi and whatnot. which which I did but I think I came out of stronger actor and I think We are class Kinda was pretty close and I think think we really kinda connected with each other and help each other in check yeah And and we would. We would work outside of class we would. Would you know take on extra things things that we thought. Maybe we're lacking in some of our classes so I think we took it upon ourselves to get better to learn more and to to to come out and be a stronger actor and so I think like I was much more ready to kind of tackle the city after I got out of that. Well that makes sense because I I was even talking with Bethany about this. When you're an undergraduate have so many people who are do you need a new one but yeah Bethany was saying that she had a class of Eight? I don't know how many were in your yeah. Yeah and it's like an Undergrad. Grab so many people that you can't like you have your group I guess but you don't really like create as like as much of a bond right between these people show. If you have people who are GonNa push you motivate you like. I feel like that's such a great thing. Yeah well and hopefully you get along with some of them right exactly alike it would on the reverse side. Yeah But I had. There was a guy in my class who was about twenty years older than me and it's basically kind of going back to school to get his degree so he could teach. Oh I see get like a teaching position and he actually teaches at Illinois Wesleyan Selena now oh but him and I so I'm I call myself a key when it comes to acting. I'm kind of like a gearhead only for acting not cars. Yeah I really like to talk shop definitely break down the craft and really talk about the INS and outs nuts and bolts and all that stuff. Yeah so he. He was very much like that so I felt a real like we were always kind of you. Know kind of talking that way and doing that. Thing and Yeah so that was a really. I learned a lot of stuff from him because he grew up in a in a very different kind of theater culture when he was young when he was in his twenties. Oh Wow and he learned a lot of different kinds of movement because he went to the the're school of Depaul which was actually connected to the Goodman theatre. At that time it was like in the seventies or something. Yeah I was just listening to I. Don't deal with Marc Merrin podcasts. At all I have a little bit out as much as I'd like. He just had Joe Montana on and he was talking about going to the Goodman school and that was the first time I realized realized that the depaul the Goodman school where like the same thing right. Yeah but they had. He had his acting teacher. I don't think you I don't can't remember if he was like he was eastern European. Yeah but they they did a lot of UTAH. Moskvy stuff like movement techniques stuff and I think they It was very vocally. They did less AC so they did a lot of stuff that I had never heard about at that time and so it's really interesting. You hear Tom Talk about that and we would we would. We would go to the I think in the music department. They had like rooms where you could practice piano and stuff and we go in these rooms and like practice Vocal dialects stuff. Yeah so yeah. No I think having that having that kind of support and guidance in Grad school along with just a desire to want to be like kind of grow as an actor I definitely felt much more ready to kind of like kind of hit the ground running when I got here. Yeah so so. Explain that a little bit to me. Like how did you hit the ground running after Grad School. Yeah so so like I. So in the spring I had a showcase at Steppenwolf. Well it wasn't just for if it was for like it was a good amount of casting and some casting directors as well mostly like agencies and some theater companies. Um and we did it like we. At that time we did it so upstairs. One of the upstairs spaces except wolf is different. Now I think but anyway out of that Stewart Stewart talent contacted me and had me come in for an audition and then like I went in I addition in a couple of days later they let me know that they were going to like represent me and and that was kind of like so graduated basically. I spent the whole Summer Doing Shakespeare Festival. Yeah and I had to do my comps at that time too because I was like. Oh that's great. That's that'll be a perfect time because I had really light load guy was playing like my first year SF. I had like one I had. I played Edgar in King Lear on this huge role. Oh Wow and then it was smaller roles in the other shows. That's one of my favorite shakes. Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah I love the play Edgar again. or Edmund and then as I get much older Gloucester air even or the fool maybe but anyway So by second summer I got I got dealt a really bad hand. Like tiny tiny rolls and all three shows and I was so not really excited about it so I was like. I'll just wait. Do my comps until the summer. But then I ended up having to understudy hamlet and understudied the lead in another show and I just had a terrible summer. Like oh all this work but you don't do it but I don't actually get any re- reap the benefits from it. Yeah thing but anyway anyway So I so school ended. And you know that ended like probably mid to late August or somewhere in there and then I think I hung out for a couple of weeks and then moved up to Chicago in mid September and by that time I had gotten stuart taken me on and so you were like kind of already set. I was ready to go. Yeah that's great. Yeah and the they were Kinda like when you I was like I'll be there by the certain dates. Eight and then I started getting called in for little things here and there Some things. I wasn't quite prepared for you. Because like especially like in the a television episodic world yeah I hadn't had a lot of TV training acting training. We had some classes that I s you but they were very rudimentary rudimentry minimal. Yeah I remember this so I think I was a little unprepared in that regard. Yeah but I kinda just I knew I knew what I knew where to find auditions additions. And I would submit to some things and I ended up submitting to a theater. I don't believe they're around anymore. It's called W. N. e. p. so I submitted their they called me in. I ended up getting cast in this little show and that was kind of first thing I did when I got back and it was a little show. It was very what used is to be what is theater which now used to be Bailiwick. Repertory Oh and they had this thing called the attic space for way in the back of the theater. There's the stairs to this little tiny dining room and that was like the attic theater. That is great. I think there is maybe like twelve to fifteen seats in there. You know as a super super small space that was like the first show I do when I got back then I ended up under studying at Steppenwolf and from there I started working more and getting more involved and kind of like doc just pushing myself to submit to send mailers to ask kind of just get connected and I ended up getting cast in some things things and getting than I did. A show called the Kentucky cycle where it was a really awesome performance or a really amazing like a a role for me to play well. It wasn't awesome performance by you too because you want to. Did you win. I did manage it right. Yeah this was no I was so awesome But yeah no I think it was one of those. I think we all have one of these where we may be. You know maybe not every role we play. There's a few of them that there's some for whatever reason it's very special. Yeah there's something about it that you connect to it in such a way that you transcend this kind of thing and you are just this kind of there and you're living like I felt it was. It was one of the first shows where I was like like Like I just felt like like I just felt like a tree I felt connected to the ground. Oh I felt connected to everyone around me being nervous before a show so it was like I mean they say that if you're not nervous than maybe something's wrong But this one it felt more like I was about to go out like I was kind of leading a group into something. Yeah and in that regard it felt more like like. I wasn't really nervous about doing the show. I wasn't even really thinking about. I was just like in this morazan place. You more thinking about the world that you're I think so. Yeah I wasn't worried about you. Know All of these opening beats or you know like where winning being the C whatever talk. I was just like listening to the wind or doing so in. That is so for whatever reason however it happened into that role really worked for me and so I think because of that role I ended up getting some people like getting called starting getting called into some additions editions. Some smaller theatre companies people had seen it or whoever talking to other people and and so I did experience this brief moment of of kind of how the audition started to change from me like submitting to me getting called in. Oh Wow and that was a nice feeling. I bet that's good feel so. Did you feel like at this point. You had kind of gotten out of that typecast that you were talking before the like young handsome dumb guy. Yeah I do I think like absolutely but at the same time I think I think the thing that Stewart and I was struggling with is I think the way that people talk about it now is that you have a brand ride that you're a yeah you are. It's hype but the more you know what you're type is that that will be easier for people to cast you. Yeah because you. You know what you're doing when you come in and I or you or you're you're selling that brand. I guess US yeah. I don't know I think I really struggled for a long time of finding an identity of who I was in that regard. Like if you're calling me in for an audition Y.. Who is Ryan Jerrell as you know the coke delivery man or whatever it is like why why do you see me as it's so hard to pin down? Yeah and some actors are just so much better than others or some exit just more like it's more natural for them. Ah For me I kinda kind of have always kind of floated between not really like I can like play a leading man and then all play like like you know some druggies and then all be supporting and then I'll do like a then I'll then like I kind of float between doing a lot of different kinds of acting. Yeah and so I think I really struggled for awhile. I think my my my agent constructive where they put me or what. Because I wasn't wasn't quite as they need to try to sell exactly. Yeah yeah well I feel like both sides of the business are kind of like opposites. It's of each other because an acting. You really want to stretch yourself and you really want to do all these different roles but then on the business side of things you have to kind of be able to to get the work right. Yeah well and I I was always kind of like I was always a little edgier like I would have long hair and you know like scruff or a beard eared and so I ended up getting kind of that same kind of like typecasting has more Like and it's still this way Bad People like criminals drug drug people. You know I tend to get would seem seemed kind of drift towards that. Yeah so I would. I get called in a lot for like for PD and fire and some current shows. Now it's usually anymore and the the darker side of of people that's got to be a lot of fun to play them. Yeah I mean that's kind of going back to the Kentucky Cycle. I think some of the things. That's so fun about it. And as I was playing villain and the villain there was just something about the writing the way connected to it that it just it was is it felt like I was felt almost like a IAGO in a way where I like. I really could relish these moments of being a bad bad dude. Yeah because you don't I mean I'm sure you're a good dude and realize we don't yeah you don't have these moments come along very offensive when you get to do it feels good. Yeah really lenient to it and and not worry so much about like your you know. It's like Thinking about doing something horrible and then like you know like worrying about it. You don't worry about it you just do it. Yeah 'cause is your like you know a very narcissistic or psychopathic person. You don't care about other people's feelings or the consequences is yeah so I think yeah. I think it's always fun to play something. That is far away from you. I've always I I've always felt like it's it's been. It's always easier for me to do that than to play some buddy normal or kind of like just kind of a dude. Yeah because I feel it's hard to nail that down. Yeah like a nice. Like how do I make this interesting you know. Yeah that's definitely a challenge. Yeah for sure I I just I've always I feel like I've always been able to kind of connect to pain more or someone who's going through a traumatic experience. Yeah that kind of stuff. Jeff has always been more like it feels more natural to connect to that than it just being like an average cool good dude. Have you played a lot of roles like that though. Ah Average cool dude no no no. No I'm playing I'm in. I'm in production of noises off right now. Oh Fun on so. I'm playing a role of like a man who's an actor who is his wife like has like so the first act of noises off. It's like they're they've been in rehearsal for two weeks and yeah they're gonNA they're basically it's like midnight and the following That at seven PM that day will be opening and they're still trying to get through the first act of this show and his wife has left him that morning running and he gets nose bleed every time Violences around him. Yeah he kinda screamed out by the director and he's a very he's very soft gentle soul And so I feel like so. There's he's also another one of those guys who's like handsome Kinda dumb or I wouldn't say dumb. He's just he's a little clueless as to what's going on around yeah And so it is like I for me. I'm like this is definitely been a challenge playing this role because it's like like I parts of me can connect to it but parts. WHO CAN'T SO I? I'm still trying to maneuver through some of that and figure out how to like just be guy had to be interesting. Yeah exactly but I don't have the crutches of like you know being being a villain. Yeah Yeah because you're kind of like. Oh you know I'm kind of inherently interesting since I'm the antagonised of this whole sure right. But then when you're the protagonist it's it's like Kinda just got to be and then I hopefully. Yeah people get something out of it. Yeah so where. Where is this Production being done so it's at metropolis. Oh great art center which is out in Arlington Heights. We open the beginning of February. But yeah the so like it's like I just kind of bounce around like so in the fall I did equis. That's where I met Bethany. Yeah and that was really intense and and then equis closed and then two weeks later after that I booked a guest starring role on a new show on Fox called next where I've heard of that. Yeah I'm not And so I I got this great role of a guy who's being influenced by this kind of computer like an Alexa kind of thing. Yep Up to Kinda create to create likes. His actually plugged in right. Yeah careful careful. They think premises like this guy. John slattery from Madman. Oh yes he's the lead. Oh Yeah Yeah. And I think he's created like this kind of supercomputer like how Alexa thing. Yeah and it's not like wants to kill it starting to go bad and so they're trying to stop it. They're trying to stop it. And and a half hackers and all these people trying to stop it and and then my angle is like I'm being influenced do some bad stuff. I'm like ex-military recently. Divorced live with my sister's basement so So that was like two weeks basically on set for that. Yeah so that was pretty wild eld. There's a lot of fun I got like to shoot a gun and Mike. Had you shot a gun before I had never I have Hab yes. I did a film years ago where I gotta shoot a rifle and a pistol but this was like a forty five and it was like they used like a a half load of the blank that they put in there but it's still like created so much noise and like We had to be really careful because I was aiming it pretty close to the camera said to be really careful where I was pointing it. Yeah but you could still really feel that in your hand like it felt. Did you have like a lot of training before that. Well no I didn't I mean I've shotguns here and there in my life I'm not a gun guy. Yeah so basically basically we shot a lot with replicas okay but then when it got time to actually do the shooting they had they had a specific guy there and he. I think he's only there when it comes comes to firearms or any kind of like weapon. Okay and so All all of the crew were briefed that earlier that morning and then when he kind of gave me the gun and we talked about like my hand placement you know where to put my fingers because basically at a dude like a two shots like yeah pop pop and so I was like well do I got to cock it. You know like do I cock it dry. Just pull the trigger. And he's just like it's all ready for you to go just going to hand it to you just to show you just click you just you just pull trigger. Pull it and so the first time I did it it was like and then they gave me out there like we need. We wanted to go. You'll pop like really fast. Like boop boop yeah so then I did that and it was pretty cool but I had to wear like earplugs and we were in this lady's basement like on the west side or was Her House we were in there all day. Shooting these scenes in the basement So I think one time one of the shells hit me in the Chaz like at bounced off the ceiling. So it's like it was like there's actual danger danger. Yeah you have to be careful. Everyone had to wear glasses and stuff. Yeah but so I gotta do some really cool things as a great experience and so I'll be interested to see what it looks like when it come. When does that show come out? Well I don't know I mean I. It's a mid season replacement for Fox Fox. Yeah I if that was filmed the fourth episode. So I don't know maybe like February. I'll cool kind of every couple every couple of weeks. I kind of check in on on Fox website. Check out next and see if they have an air but as of now. I don't believe they have an air date yet. Yeah and I think there's like more and more there's a lot great productions that are filmed in Chicago now too. Yeah well you have your old vic you can have your your Dick Wolf stuff but there are or other things that are filmed here There's some I'm really hoping that that just keeps growing. I mean they building that the sound stages news and stuff on the south side where since basins base. Yeah Yeah it's really growing and I think there may be some other locations where they want to try to you know make make other sound stages hopefully keeps moving they just they just filmed the new season of Fargo. Here that's right. Yeah Yeah I just saw the trailer for and I'm really really pumped for. Yeah you watch that show. I saw the first season. Yeah and I loved it. I seasons great. But I haven't watched since because I just I didn't have the TV capabilities for awhile. Right now. I have them. I've got to go back but I loved the first season. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah and I mean the great thing about that show is that you can kind of watch it out of order if you want. Because they're all like different season. It's kind of like American horror story. Yeah they're they're When I went to get my fitting done for next it was right next to the Fargo? Yeah people I was actually a background on that because I was just like I want to be in that show. Oh yes I'm capacity but yeah yeah it was cool. Because there's in the nineteen fifties so all this nineteen fifties garb cool. Yeah Awesome. Well where do you see yourself like going in the future. Like what's what's next for you. Well all I know next next next for me I think like I've been slowly building my like kind of. There's there's a couple of casting directors in town where I'm getting called in more for some some shows and and getting called in for some some some little bit bigger parts and getting eating move getting called in to call back as opposed to doing a pre read initial audition and then getting called back so I feel like I've kind of made a little headway. Yeah like with my agent and with a few casting people in town so like. I'm really hoping that that I do that. They keep moving forward. And I don't know I think I think like I've been really busy since the summer. So noises awful close in March and and I think I think I don't know I think I might want to take a little break from theater for awhile. Yeah I have a lot of projects that I WANNA right. So so you're a writer too well at times but I have some I have A. I have a play that that I'm in the course of I have a bunch career rights to do. I have a story that I wanNA tell trying to figure out the best way to like put it together like the best medium to do it in so I have a lot of paint as well. Oh cool so I feel like maybe I think maybe a goal in the next couple of years would be for me to kind of like kind of bring some of those projects to fruition and see if I could do something with them Obviously if an acting gig comes up you know I'll do deal with that as I as I can and but I think I think it'll be good to take a little break from theater acting for a while. Yeah it's so time consuming. Sometimes you don't get paid very much. Yeah and you're giving so much and you're giving so much of your time. Yeah so yeah I know I'm uh-huh where do I I am. The seeing myself is probably pretty much doing what I do now. Only I'm better at it. I'm being able to kind of like you know maybe I'll do a little directing I think like I've been so secular focused for so long with acting. Always been that way and because you were kind of like this is what I want to. I'm going to do and so then I I just remember I I. I think I mentioned you know it was for. I looked around had been four years and I was like I've been pretty much. Just been working this whole time and then I remember I ran into a period where it was like my first. I didn't have anything for over six months. Yeah no-shows auditions editions. Here and there but like I was going crazy. Did you have to work a day job during that period. Yeah I usually do work a day job regardless I just don't and have the funds to not but yeah but I I was going crazy and I just I felt I went through a series of like confidence issues. I think in the sensitive sort of like you know you know trying to figure out why this was happening as well as you get older you realize that that kind of stuff just happens happens. I mean it things ebb and flow. And you know it's it's it's it's easy to take things personally because it's so personal what you do exactly. It's it is you. You like going into a room right so then you don't get you. Don't get it you don't get the job. You don't get the callback. Yeah and it's like well. What the hell? What did I do wrong? What's wrong with me? Yeah like why AM I. Maybe it's because you're too short like you don't you know it's like you're you're you're not you're not big enough for you. Don't look enough like this person or you looked too. Who Much like yeah? There are so many things out of your control. It's like just focus on the things you can. Yeah I mean that's pretty much all you can do but it's hard. It's it's really hard. I thought it was to get my mind around that concept. Yeah I took really. It took me a long time before I started realizing I was like. Oh and so. I think it's still feel like I'm. I'm still trying to wrap my head. Yeah it's it's tough. I feel like more it's easier. Yeah as opposed to like you go in. Let's say once a month I mean you're going to be nervous because you're only in once a month as opposed to three times. Yeah you know. I had a spell this a couple of months ago where I was like I'm I'm just GONNA try to make sure I auditioned like every day this month. Almost I did like fifteen sixteen auditions that month but I was like by the end of it I was like I don't I don't care which this is. Just you know what I'm doing and you'll probably actually do better work that way. Yeah which is a weird. Yeah Yeah it's it's like I'm going in and I'm so focused and intense and stuff and he's probably really obvious that you're trying so hard. Yeah I I've noticed that a few. I've had had some additions recently. Where I've been like you know I was like my? They were about to cut my arm off because it was dying. Like I've been like you know coughing blood or like being shot in the leg and that's hard to do that kind of stuff in an audition yes make it look believable all but also the same time not too believable. Because it's going to be different on TV than real life because Yeah it's weird because I feel like a lot of times you feel like you don't do too to much and then that's like the better take. Yeah well probably more Jeff Time. I think I've struggled a little bit because I've had some tough auditions lately where I haven't had a lot of time to work on them. Yeah and I've had to do some pretty intense stuff. Okay and so that's been a little frustrating trying to figure out that like it's almost like a balance of how much do I do here. Yeah because like getting shot in the leg or bleeding out is gonNA. It's it's like okay. How do do I figure out how to play that when you believe that when you've never been shot were shot in the leg or never bled out where I'm like going to die? Yeah so I I feel like they're you know you can learn something from every audition you go in and I think that even if you don't get called back and even if they never contact you again there's something you can learn from. It usually takes me a minute to think about it when I leave. Maybe later that night and I'm like Oh that's why felt. Maybe that's why I felt this this way or maybe I had a hard time reading the room but maybe I just didn't quite hit the mark the way that I could have. Yeah but I think that's always it's always gonNA. It'll be that way and sometimes the things you're going to be great or going totally work out for you. And sometimes they're not but I had a really hard time accepting all of that accepting me like being being okay with myself. When I didn't get a role or seeing a guy that I know get cast? That's tough yeah in the role that I addition for and seeing that happen multiple times. Yeah kind of always being the bridesmaid never the bride situation nation. I just get really down on myself. Yeah and I would even like go as extreme as to like you know be like kind of just kind kind of call myself names in the mirror like it's my fault that I didn't get this. That didn't do enough and I think it's just I don't know why was putting so much pressure. Sure myself did you ever have any moments where you're like. I'm done with this like I have it every show that I do. I quitted uses the loud. Yeah exactly it's usually in rehearsal for opening usually. Yeah my girlfriend says I say all every show that I've been in this is just part of ear process. Yeah Yeah I'm quitting done and then Couple of days later I'm like no. I'm not an awesome. I love this. Yeah so but I think I I looked around and I was like hey I I literally have no hobbies like. Oh Yeah I've been doing. When did you have that realization? Well when I started when I started going kind of crazy like when I wouldn't work for six months. Yeah have a hard time getting a job. Or maybe the show that I got was unfulfilling or didn't feed me artistically or whatever yeah it I think I realized it for years but I I didn't actually take the steps to do something about it and Insult probably maybe six year five or six years ago where I started to kind of get into art. Yeah painting that kind of stuff. That was interesting. was that something you were kind of interested in before but just said never I think so I mean like I always doodle and stuff. Yeah I'm not I don't I can't draw like I just can't yeah. I'm not like never been trained or taking classes or anything like that but I would I would always experimental bit with just like drawing shapes and patterns and weird stuff and I think it was always kind of hovering around. My Dad was really good artists. Yeah drawer sculptor and stuff and then I how. Aw I I just kind of started getting interested in Van Gogh. And I can't remember exactly I was. I was in Iowa I was doing a I was working at a show in in Iowa. City was doing a farce there and they had this used bookstore that was nearby and just kind of started looking at there. Was this huge Van Gogh book there. Yeah and it was like a like a picture book and I ended up buying it because it was like a great coffee table book and so I started looking at it and I was really. I just can't really. You can't really captivated with with everything just the paint strokes and the colors and the just the just a very vibrant interesting interesting paintings and when I got back from Iowa I bought a book. It was van Gogh biography. And it's like it's like huge huge. Yeah twelve hundred pages maybe more and although at times it was a hard read in in because it was a little boring little texts bookie it really made me start thinking about perspective like like your perspective of like when I'm looking at something what do I see. Yeah and it just Kinda got just got my mind going. I want a little bit and then I started noticing I would I would. I would see a picture. Yeah picture of something and I would say I wanNA paint that And and so. The first picture that that happened with was a picture of a friend of mine dancing it was like he was in Mexico and he was Kinda he. Just Kinda had this weird US dancing and I was like I want to draw that and the and and the only stuff I had around me was chalk and some pastels and stuff so I drew this really really rude kind of picture. What I realized it was more of like how I saw as opposed to recreating it? Yeah and so that then I started doing on a Lotta Pastel stuff. Lot of Pastel stuff and then eventually. It took a watercolor class and started doing watercolors now. That's Kinda pretty much. What I do is like I'll pay With watercolor more abstract stuff. Yeah so it's a little tough in my living situation right now. I don't really have a room where I can paint. Yeah yeah so I have to do it outside. And it's it's a little cold do that now but oh yeah. I'm excited to get back into painting when I have time. Yeah but yeah no. It's the thing thing that kind of opened up my mind. I don't pay enough as I should say you should paint every day But I yeah I think some goals goals I think definitely want to get back into writing and get back into a painting and yeah and maybe my acting will get better. Yeah right because you live your life. Yeah you live your life a little bit. Yeah I mean it's such. It's such a weird thing that we do and like how it goes into like you have to live a life for yourself and not just for the art. Yeah it's like it was last last Wednesday I went home and took a small nap before going rehearsal. And I get a text for my agent. And she's like AUDITIONED FOR CHICAGO MED Thursday tomorrow. Check email and I'm like okay. Okay that's great but now I've got to figure out how to get out of work and to get to the audition and then get to rehearsal on. It's like there's that you've got to start start thinking about. Yeah and unfortunately it's like that's the way it seems to happen as you get like you don't you don't get a week. Yeah Yeah you get worse. That's that's it especially and then you're in a show and doing rehearsal. I mean so I think sometimes it's almost like we gotta get into a mindset that or at least this is what I'm trying to kind of reteach my brain. Is that when I get when I get these opportunities. They're going to be fast and I'm not going to have a time a lot of time to prepare a pair so I've got to figure out a good system of getting to where I WANNA be when I go into that audition. Oh that's interesting like because like like if I don't have a Lotta time to work on. What are the most important things that I can do? What a white? What do I need to do to convey what's happening in the scene and because like this I'll tell you about this last one? Yeah it was this guy who had escaped from prison and it looked like he had in his escape the tenth tenth. I'm making it. I'm assuming this it wasn't in any of the sides. Yeah that he nicked is like federal artery so he was bleeding out. Oh yeah but his his his friend had kidnapped a couple like Nurse people or like medical people and they were driving to this unknown location. They didn't no and he had a he has a gun on them And he's losing more and more blood and they're they're trying to figure out a situation to save him. Yeah and so. I'm doing this this audition and and I'm trying to connect his idea of guys asked me questions and I'm telling him to shut up and be quiet. Don't talk about taxes like talking about my son And so I you know I'm and I'm yelling at him and I worried about my leg and I'm like you now but when I at the end of the day I'm like okay I think I I think what I missed. There is that I'm have lost an extreme amount of blood so that it's it's hard for me to point the gun. It's hard for me to say these things. Yeah whereas I had all the energy in the world. Yeah where I'm like you know Mike dealing with this like shut up you know. I'm doing something that maybe would work for some kind of injury. Yeah but you know what I mean. It's like little stuff like those little tiny any details. Maybe another dade to to work on it that I might have figured out. Yeah but then but then to your point like you went in there with the stuff that that you did have time to convey. I mean I tried to help. Try to make some choices. I tried to go in there with some things I it didn't quite work out and I'm like so in thinking about why did not work out like as opposed to be like well just because I wasn't the right fit. Well maybe that's true. But what could I have done differently differently too high. You know what I mean. Yeah self a better you know I think a lot of actors. Don't think that way because I feel like so easy to like. I've done this a lot before. Where my oh I just wasn't right for sure? And that's that's giving me some ideas now to be like no maybe don't let yourself off the hook that easily and I'm not saying and I think the way I used to think it was like more of like be beating myself up for like like fucking something up or making a mistake whereas it's like more like okay. I didn't necessarily make a mistake but and I didn't get any. I didn't get any direction from the director in the thing. Yeah but how. How can I learn to analyze scripts? Better Yeah how can I figure out what I need to do and how I can you do it so that it fits in with what they want. Because I I don't know that and then how can you do that in a few hours and I think that's the name of the game name I think. Sometimes it does come down to look but you WANNA put yourself in the best possible light in order for them to want to cash you. Yeah you know. 'cause I think the problem with those. Those kind of auditions is that you come in at a performance level. Like you come in to do it because that whatever you do in there is probably pretty close to what they want when they're shooting exactly as opposed to theater where it's like. They're looking for a potential. Yeah like a log like yeah yeah totally nail it but as far as like you show potential maybe they give you some direction and you take it and and do it yeah. Maybe it's not a perfect audition but it is. Let's say it's a callback. They're not looking for opening night. Performance seems like this other stuff. It's like you you better figure if you're out what they want and go in with it and be ready to do that and if they do it then be ready to do exactly what you did when you go into shoes so it seems. It's a little disconnect. Have you ever been in a situation where you you did what they wanted at the audition but then when you went into film you maybe did something differently and they were like what are you doing. Yeah but it wasn't like it wasn't bad. Yeah Yeah Yeah I did some stuff like I did. I didn't audition. This is for Chicago Fire and the guy was like Okay Ryan. Can you give me some direction and I did it and he was like well. Nothing wrong with that. Thanks thanks right. I was like okay and I left and then like later that afternoon I got put on check avail and then like a day or two later I got an offer and that was like my first kind of TV thing in Chicago where I was like. Oh Shit cool but yeah like there was some stuff in that like that. Basically I was doing that. He gave me some basically. It was kind of like some notes they. It wasn't the scene that I add auditioned with. Yeah but he wanted me to do some things differently that were more of just because of an aesthetic choice as opposed to like. I was doing doing something completely wrong. Yeah but yeah no. I haven't really been in. I mean I. Have you know the the thing that I did for Fox or for next what I did the audition I didn't really do much of in actual filming okay. They wanted to see a range in the audition of like you know losing it being a little unhinged but the stuff in the shooting wasn't really like that. Oh I see so that was that was kind of interesting to figure that out but it was but the director was really cool and I felt like I could have an open dialogue with him so I felt pretty comfortable and trying to figure out what they wanted and how to make what they wanted work for me me. Yeah yeah definitely that's awesome. Yeah my last question for you because I got to get going soon because I gotta get Madison for my new cats shop shop but yeah I. What is your advice to like young actors coming into the city now like what like one or two things that you think is like most important for young actors to be thinking about? Well if you I mean I always. I always think that it's good to go to school like in a metropolitan area. Yeah like if you're not going to Roosevelt or Paul or northwestern Even though that doesn't I mean if you're not in the city eighty yen connected to like an theaters connected to some theater. Companies like like Roosevelt Chicago Shakespeare or whoever whoever right yeah there are some connections there that you could possibly do intern stuff like learn on the job. Yeah and learn watching like professional actors work and see how they work and I think like having that kind of Experience when you're really young Can help form and shape. How you can you work? Yeah as you get older home but so if but if it's something like that you've already been to college or whatever I would I think it would definitely be trying to figure out like who who are the coveted acting teachers in town. Like how do I meet. People classes can can be expensive but there are a great way to meet people and get to know like some of the people in the industry whether they're casting or directors And I and you know I think I think something. That's hard and it's hard for every day actress to do it to that have been city for years. Is that you know if this is what you WANNA do. Every day that you're every day is an opportunity for you to go about doing that. Yeah so whether it's like working on your monologues or taking a class war reading plays or or watching your television television show Well however you WanNa do it yeah is that it takes a lot of time and dedication and the detail sometimes are the most important things and not forget about any of that stuff and You know I think like an probably. Just don't beat it yourself up too much when you are struggling to bookwork. Yeah Try Not to Judge yourself on other other people successes facebook although is great because you get to see all these people and all these pictures of people looking like you're having a great time or they're beautiful or or whatever. Sometimes you'll see people that you know like oh I'm going to be on this show tonight on CBS. Or I'm doing this thing sometimes and if you're not necessarily in a positive plays like why am I not. Yeah why don't want to look at that or like I l list or whatever and I think it's just you know. Try to be happy for the people that are in your life that are booking work and just know that I think hard work does pay off I I I it is a really tough business. Because it's they don't I don't really care about. It is very personal to you but I don't think you know people don't really care about your feelings. Yeah so you've gotta find a way to kind of build your shell up or your skin in a little bit And you know like it's not always going to be fun. Yeah but in. That might be a real big test about whether so you want to continue doing that or not because life is short. And you'RE GONNA WANNA be happy at some point. Yeah isn't that the ultimate goal. Yeah yeah so I mean I feel like there's Times where I'll take your show and we'll be doing a show and I'm like Humphrey Happy Right now. It's like well. Why did you take the show? Yeah then you go home and you tell your girlfriend that you're quitting and then the next day I'm like I figured it out. I loved it. I love this show. It's like who are you well. I think that's some great advice. Okay good yeah. It's not. It's not easy but it can't be rewarding. Yeah but if it's what you really want you obviously go after it but try to put yourself in a position where you can succeed a little bit easier for yourself. Yeah exactly like build a life for yourself. That's like outside. You're going to need that absolutely absolutely something whether it's your yoga or painting or drawing or something where you can use your brain in a different way. Yeah to help create become more well rounded person like I want to be like a renaissance man when I get when I'm like sixty or whatever like yeah but I like poetry and painting and acting and whatever. I don't know if that'll ever happen but I look at it's it yeah look at people who are like that and I'm like I wanna be like that. Yeah like I don't WanNa be a tormented actor who's just like pulling my hair out and like sitting at the the bar yeah like. I don't need that. Yeah I spent too much in my twenties worrying about stuff I couldn't control. Yeah we're thinking there was something wrong with me like like we talked about earlier. But that's not really good for your psyche. It's not really good for your You just your overall wellbeing like we. Everyone's really a unique. And you have a if you can figure out a way to convey that to an audience the convey that stuff. It's really special so it's really got well. Well I guess first of all you just gotTa believe in what you're doing. Yeah leaving who you are and do it with conviction definitely. Yeah that's a great place to end Kuan then well thanks so much much for coming up. Yeah and you were a delight forever. Yeah of course.

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"Even, laughter and people came from. That's actually. Hello welcome about the study of podcast. The Ringer FC I made some. Ryan how you doing I'm not thanks man. Good. You wearing a Manchester United, shirt. What are you talking about? Huck Teasha there is I'm just being serious. It's red. Army under. The bus Marino already actually it's t shirt has. Two Thousand Twelve two, thousand, fourteen home kit with the red stripe the white stripe in the navy strike. That's pretty nice. Actually that's why both actually this really nice wasn't it wasn't. I'm not telling you. It's not it's not. It's not particularly coal establishment, but this is honestly this ruth I bull a T. shirt because this leaves reminded me of the two thousand twelve to two thousand, fourteen. Awesome harm shot at a great. Thanks man agree as well. You like you'll. PA. Team that's going up against Lebowski. It's like, what are those kind of if you ensure shank? When I was woken up the beige you'd come to Great Rian that show technically arm kind of this is Kinda. Do shawshank energy to. Today we are. Indeed we are the Buddha's league is back this weekend it is. Bundesliga questions whatsoever should we create some to create? I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say this one firm at. Santi is the best will back with the League Earth. I shall not no I'm GONNA have to Redo update the threat if the Bundesliga manager threads thread, right? Yes. Yes. New New you clothing. We need still got Ronald Koeman, but we'll talk about that later. Okay. We'll get into that but a few people pass up about. Or K.. Some stuff about name arm Puma I wanNA talk about Something about for cupcakes while that's I shut up to cupcake brother shutout amazement sponsored. S Gareth. I got low she. So before we get into that, don't forget. I keep going to study ultrasound study outdoors play out by. Such study out Choi's on spotify, and you'll find the studio profile which has. playlist on the study showed up on come dot com is the theme music. If you want to go and buy it donating the money. and. The Ring Dot com forward slash sucker. Pool if you'll suck AIDS on the ringer Oh actually no shit. We got news. You're on a book on another another book. Okay. Yeah. So Mussa context. Context Lisa a children's book about writing style in for scholastic. came out this year. Yeah. January fifth he's doing another one this time he's doing with in, right? Yeah. I'm really about to. Congressman thanks. Yeah. No it's awesome says. Coming out next September. So that's twenty, twenty, one and it. Is based novel, which is what we did was we kind of his disks into which is incredible. We took that the emotional hole of the book and Basi were like. Instead of just doing straight in a biography for children doing actual novel by tell a story because Ian obviously got that. You know he has that presence on the field or there's a lot. He does beyond the field. There's a lot of work he does. And so I thought, well, we interesting to look at. Him As football flashing back to that. But then also like who is now a mental? So the idea radio is to have a thirteen year old boy jerome who is going through some tough times. Reminds himself. Off the. Field. And they have. Encounter, and off the end up becoming friendly. Yeah. Then in kind of you know hopefully helps them through. We'll see how it works out I'm really excited about it because you know we both within and I. Really, enjoyed that expense expenses been great and. That's something. So exciting about writing about football. Life beyond. She can. If, fills my knees. I loved insurance writing. It's great work within. An allows me to kind of do sort of you Know Gossiping about the Ryan Starting. There was some passages where I could actually do almost like football star metropoles. Children's book like talked about like techniques playmaking and that was it. Such a spins I love writing all. Young people because they don't have. That, they've really discerning and they don't have that kind of inhibition that comes with age of people going. Like this wants to just tell you straight. So in many ways, the best possible critics. Yeah. So I called wait to put this out there again. So exciting online it's amazing. Isn't Ian Wright Twelve Day Our coolest. Let's mailbag back, and then we'll talk about some of the best bit lights have right we're going to lay. Yes. Just a thoughts on bail to spurs under this version of Reno. Right disposed enough back cracks not. See I did the how dare you Slenda Ben? Davis. Ha Not, on my podcast Hula case so. and bail this is going to be fun I. Like it. I do I look actually I think is great. Yeah. Me To keep. Bail has nothing to prove at this point nothing out to prove you know it's like a hammer drill has taught thing as a player that goes off Raider. Yeah. He's in great shape. The attack will be built around him. Without but why not? Because the going for a year and I'm going to build the whole attack around him off to slow in I. Think he'll go right. Ryan side. Son Left. Behind kind of the dust, the kind of three inside what to inside forward evening even if Cain is ailing the. Really. Scary and three. THOUSAND CENTRE-BACK. Kane and bail up big dudes as well. The. And I actually prefer garth bio preferred him on the right hand side at Madrid than I ever did on the left hand side spurt. Yeah. Well, it was the Spurs. He was terrifying it. He played often on the right for Spurs. They're not that often but he did he he made a lot. He made that run a lot. It was devastating I. Think this is going to be a pretty good move spurs and with the addition of regular long as well. I. Think that's strong Krugman. He's recruitment because I saw there was rumors of them enough the MILIC and I didn't line up and I didn't like the money they would have to pot with to get him imagine what parts done with the season. If bail listen MOM puch hasn't come back yet. Sorry. awestruck steadier kangols where there's a court, my flatware dislike burn candles for two deals that never going to be resurrected. Like poach, bobblehead holding a rosary talk. So. Yeah. I really like this bail thing how many goals this season can he gets them all competitions yeah. Arguing gets twenty-five ooh like that. I was going to be like conservative. Not his skill set is still to the premier league. Yes. I think he could easily bid eighteen nineteen goals as in permanently play. Competitions you know he's done it in the Champions League. So he'll do it in the league. It's such a signing actually frankly for a lot of people apart in the hard coal old's kind of forgiven. You've got this mark, he strike her in a marquee stadium full of motivation or just not even this is the thing is invasion this. It's about being at ease a returning champion. Yeah we've never seen an elite player returning to a club where he made his name still near his prime we haven't really seen that before. You know poke. Poke the maybe. I suppose that's the only comparison Well, he made his name that's the different thing. Didn't really make his name United gone before he was a first team regular right so even that I don't think we've really seen it before in the modern era or Lebron is a shout out she no, that's actually not so I think I think in the women's game there is a lot more of that. Stood applicable story. That's still not let's go with it because since May analogy that lacey bronzes probably any other one. and. Probably more if forgotten. That's I really love this Carpool signing and I think he'll do really well earned marina said he wanted to sign him around Madrid and then they got him when he left. which is Marino energy. I have no idea whether it's true onto But I think those two are gonNA get on. There either GonNa, get really really well or they're getting a gallon ready terribly. Ground. Think. Violin Marina all this awful missile. Was that weird thing where you're like. It could be like Abra or it could be like you're right where he does the thing he's. A big big player. Let me just destroy him the only thing that I thought maybe that won't be the case with bail is that he's a new player arriving. He's not already there when he tends to be cynical as well. He needs him. Oh he cozy does that's why it's not going to be that way. It's GONNA play out differently because he really really needs In needs. And be fair as well. Now, I have been critical of the documentary are the Mike my concern has always been how do you attract the talent? With a lot of that going on and to be fair like if Levy. Does that leave Your Society Talent Ben? Platon. Absolutely. and. Let's move onto another question. This one from graeme cumberbatch. Now, obviously Neymar sent off last week we talked about this. It was his first game switched to Puma Nike. He's now the face of Uber Name. He wants to bring the King Back Graham come about says name make Puma a contender again, where does the king rank on your list of iconic boot five me now down Oh, you want to do this off the top of your head top five booze. Predator? Was Number One. Yes. Okay number two I was hoping you'd build up attention to go five to one, but now straight number one data predators the one boot where I saw were actually pushed. Jen. the one that you think you're not yet accelerates the ones that sedan will in the WILCO. Yeah. Those are extraordinary because they were the perfect Dr Graham of. Design Comfort and effectiveness. You actually saw those things making a difference to ready when those things we used against. Reading football's Simon say one I had those booth. That does everything second I would put the the Lotto van Boston's. These. Okay Yeah. Because no one you can't wear. A standalone, but you can't wear them unless you're that good yukon known warm like. Third I put the Kings. Stunning boots. Look Amazing. Super comfortable. Just you know iconic fourth I hurt the. Badejo Diodoros. On V. I would put the. Key Tempo. Tempo, token. That was one in the Mid Ninety S. Talked about with the floppy tongue. Yeah. The mid nineties legend. On the mid nineties or are you thinking like two thousand now vibes? Earlier. Earlier because one of the guards had the tongue blake, the ritual tongue. Yeah. But these the Tampa had much floppy tongues yet to tie them down. Oh. I remember Yeti proper old school tim I yet they were gorgeous. They were not so. Yeah that's a big shout. I'm going to go for All right number five, I'm GONNA go full the Mizuno Wave Cup, the black and white ones or they without ones yet but the black edition Yup I strong. For I'd say Ronaldo's material the online's. Great. In terms of like icon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like on it they will never. Number three I'd say the TEMPO LEGENDS THE MID two thousand months. McKay. Got A bit lighter. Number. Two I'd say McCain and say couple Dow say the couple of the most iconic ever. I mean just because they they did everything they are everything on. On they were also so beautiful. So beautiful the so comfortable they just. Before, we move on from the boot chat was the favorite boots you ever earned out at US Predator, the champagne colored ones. I need. One Yeah. But you know why this is whistle when I was playing for slain, we'll f see it was almost like, I, want the centrebacks. To, want to kick me I wanNA basic go out on a field of them like. That, cocky. We want to kick that guy with an easy base out to create a situation new alike. Is a statement every time on the pitch you're inviting confrontation. So yeah. How about how about yours at the Predator accelerate is by always have p McCain's growing up than Hudson compliment dowse trying to think will be in the moment thing of tempos at the moment and a pair of old black mcghee stas actually. They've got the suck as well are. They look pretty smart like a blackout Pablo. She's lot reflective. My goodness. Let's go to a break. We'll come back and do some more questions. All right back from the break this from Luke. Bengal he said. Give us one broadcast one. Take each for the coming season. Are My. Now you'RE GONNA get us in trouble outcome online. Service G before. What did he say on twitter? You never quitting this APP I've never quitting the APP I'm never quitting. Of. Live quit. Twitter. Never. A heartache of this season Bossa GonNa win the leak. Is that hot enough for you You wanted to go to. Wow There it is. There's a hot take full. Get the tongues wagging. Predictions. That's I suppose that's why they're take. Right that's what leaks trying to do to let Anderson it so. How can I can't even heart? Didn't it? Feel, thrown off my access. Okay. Who Am I gonNA come ready hate predictions. Second thing accompanied these words are gonNA come out my mouth ready. I think also going to qualify for the Champions Lake. Goodness. I can see that happening I think something bad happened Mussa I think I'm starting to believe Oh, no, I think of drunk the Kool aid a Ryan honor. And you know how dangerous is mine so dangerous nor because? Nobody together fry and it just feels I feel vulnerable bow ME, said Ryan. Like I said on polk casts previous I'm sick of of my heartbroken by men of never met. At. Upset for the heartbreak this season but that's take has more basis in logic reality of fact than mine. I can see leaner love is blind That's true. That's true. Well, on that note, Jamie would who do you think we'll get the Premier Leagues Golden Boot. Russula. ooh Yeah he will. He's angry angry he's really angry. got. Three he's already got three is really angry. Are. The only question is African type of nations. Does question. But even that no, I think he's still windsor. Are They Masala Windsor Because I was thinking. If lipold, being new signing. Then different things have to go different emphases have to come to the team because. Like the defense is not as robust as it was last year I think that's a fair thing to say given the game since they clinched the title, it's not quite as robust. Still a great defense don't get me wrong leadership will come from different areas of the team. I. Think Salad will take on the mantle I think Golden Boot. And that's a really good show I think Obama Show Yup Now. He signed the new staying off no, which I'm so happy about not video was amazing. All of the all of the stuff that came out the day that he signed while the signing was announced. Was So. Wholesome and apparently is official he turned down. Concrete offers from boss to learn and into to stay don't namedrop. I. Was actually talking to write about this today and we were talking about how because I I said to him do you think of could break your record or get past your tally new? Just like yeah, I. Think you could and he'd be all right with that on a mon- coming in third behind a bombing on. How well and I just thought that such a measure of who Obama I think that thing about wanting to leave legacy is genuine. Awesome Oh and. There's part of me that. Thinks that if Austin consult that creativity issues, the season compared to last season. Barron, Monte Mountain goals he scored with side isn't creating much I think you could potentially see him break buffet goal thing for the primarily that's my issue with him being the Golden Boot when it's just the chance craciun. Managed to do it, he might share it and near complete seasons ago when Much anyway, and so I think there's a chance he could do all that we mentioned earlier. No. Of comes back and wins the gold. Can you much Oh wow. The Fat. That's yeah. Okay right. We need to address something Yup the made the big story of the week wasn't Obama signing. Shows to everyone who hit this lease a grim Sports Yellow Ribbon declare numerous of the people. Roanoke Caymans are now are now. loafers Oh no, I knew it. I. Knew I knew it. I knew it. On near it. This is deeply troubling. It's dangerous. This is serious because. This to me shows a lack of awareness. Lack of a essentially, yes. It's knowing the Kumons go ego Yup. However if I'd been appointed boss learn manager this time Melissa head coach because he's head coach Yes. I would want to perceive or give the impression publicly whether it was true. INAU. Yes. I'm taking this extremely seriously because there is a lot to so out. Tyler. The top two buttons Undone Suck with loafers actually in my opinion portrays an image of a lack of respect for the football club or the task at hand. Yes. In my opinion Yuck didn't is his old is on me. That's the problem is he's not. You know if you're going to end the current situation that are going to be so many is Boston anyway. And you know the people are going to be talking about with everything that's going on with boss learning this summer the last conversation that should be taking place on twitter about owners should have roku ankles at the center face of it. Right and he got dressed that morning knowing that would be a thing people look at there's no question. Oh and while we while we here by the way important because we're recording this right now David Stein report. The go has agreed to move Liverpool. Wow. Yeah. That's huge I mean, should we get into that land? We need making news we need to get into that. Dot is absolutely David Stein. Coal just the one of the most reliable. gymnasts live fully agree deal to sign spe midfielder argyle from by Munich graffiti around thirty million euros. Wow. Talks have accelerated since Monday after buying officials made clear they wanted to done before the Bundesliga starts. From the it you pay. That's huge. I think this is such a key signing. The money that they're paying from his well is GonNA end up being an absolute snap comparatively yes. Seventy million euros for Tiago Tiago are Qatar, system. This is a piece that I think Liverpool really needed. Yes. They needed another dimension at Midfield. And I think that if you look at, for example, the balance that was present between and Tiago. Abidin. I think this is really quite easily possible to maintain that balance ought to recreate that kind of balance with someone like Henderson who's a very different midfielder But who will. Henderson strikes me as the kind of guy who will be unprepared to work an extra five to ten percent to make sure the Tiago gets to do his thing unquestionably and they're on a lot of blood captains people in the primarily acre would be prepared to make that sacrifice a central midfield role. But we've said before that Henderson Guy. and. This just makes so much sense I. do wonder if it means that may be one albums on the way because he's the only. Oh, the midfield I think at Liverpool who is slightly comparable to Geogra- skills I think. Which says the law photographer skillset because it's just other worldly it's. Talgo is. This is A. This is such decisive signing is fundamentally alters. Destination of tie to lie in terms of a new title race if. This Tiago is so important. In terms of his control of match tempo in his defensive straight, which is underrated is. More screening for centrebacks he cuts from school they arrive is always available for the outlet pass. You'll seeing now the challenges is have had with the setbacks being targeted. Now. That Yoga was an out now that he can get the bull basic like. Third sent about who can receive possession because he told them the deep in that sense. You have extraordinary playmaker. We haven't really had a player. And this is just hoping he stays fit. This specific type since. Since pulse goals, I would say late airports goals. That type of or Luke Luke moderate as well. That's the level that we're looking at that. It's an extraordinary acquisition, Liverpool this to me feels a lot like when job went around Madrid. Okay. Yeah. Could show Ueli Yager. I don't think he's considered a superstar because he is quite low key Yep. And so much of the work that he does. Is So subtle on the football pitch it's really easy to go not as we said this before the law of what makes a player great I think is making the right decisions at the right time and often in order to be true the great player and a main great some of your game will be quite boring not very eye-catching because it's the right thing to do at the moment may be a two yard pass to someone who's in space. You won't notice that on the first things. People notice the attempted one to three bowl. It gets into September people cloudy intent ten Yep. Yep keeping the bull circulation of the bull knowing the right time went to change the tempo. These are things that is an absolute master. And then not eye-catching is not as eye catching as Renaldo, for example, Cristiano, Renaldo during nine Stepova as and then just passing it to one guy, right? I think this creates a problem for the teams in the primarily, it will play Liverpool this season. Because they also use to live applying way, it's like Batman rocking out with new toys. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That scene in the movie when the thing when she had the the bat she. Thought that he was just driving this is Liverpool's version of the bar attention. I'm really excited to see him in the primary. He's such an unbelievable player in say someone who's I, still think he's underrated Yep agree widely. while. Talker in the primarily. All right. Let's happened the question. Yes. Show to I quite like this question an it's a it's a semi while F. in way from decay underscoring eighteen on twitter. Why does Ralph Wrong Nick Go. Now. The Milan didn't happen. What's the most appealing project for him now? Cross has such a great question. The such an amazing question I have a couple of potential. Somewhere, like Niece. Who Yeah Y. Money. Interesting pieces either end of the squad's aging talent. But young talent to come through the needs to be galvanized. The Catholic must obviously PS G NOT STUMBLING BUT WE'VE. Yeah. Slightly stumbling in very late. Win The other day to save them drexel late in the night Just. Think if you WANNA get team if you a team on the map, it more your money going to try to place the gopher plays like resurrect their careers. So nothing in France I would say niece. I think there's a shot them in the premier league. Actually, Yeah I've got primarily shout. It feels disrespectful because. To. Go on, you can say. I wasn't actually they will muschamp. No actually no I. Think the is good for those codes I think witnesses really wit. The primary causal, the ROC coaches at the moment. Nor I I say this more of the sporting director Oh. Okay. Oh, got united. Definitely. As a coach as a kind of because he was Milan, he was going to be the manager and the director. So that was my niece shout someone to come in as the on the sporting director. But yeah, united spoken to write to hippie astonishing I think a Lotta, work right Christian thank you. Wow. In terms of the overall running both maybe Valencia is marsh out, but they don't have the money now. But they really need some fixing. Returning a club. Valencia to glory I think would be a good task the probably the worst club in league arrive twins here at the moment, which is saying not. The most clubs in the leaker. Kepa yet Valencia badly is badly run a lot a lot in the premier league in sporting sense boating director role I'd like Molester. HOW WORKING WITH RANDOM ROJAS? I think that'd be amazing nationally. That's incredible. Golfing High Energy. It does it does and it's bicycle permanent top six energy under rang nick with the recruitment. Last the can become a perennial top six threat I think. A lot that question I loved that question. Thank you. Okay. Right this one from shanty. She just wrote views and it was basically. The. F F F President Nola garage saying that racism full belly exists the court was when a place scores the goal the whole stadium is on his feet this phenomenon of racism spoil and in football in particular does not exist at all or belly exists and she tweeted just saying views, USA. Thoroughly, incorrect and a man in your position with that authority. And that responsibility like the president of French football. With the makeup of the front squad one, both of that woke copes. Should know He doesn a better and I'm embarrassed for him. If I was any one of the CO members of that French squad, I would be coming together for impression on April above them to be like this guy cannot be the president of the French Federation. If he believes this, he's not in a position to Govan oversee the football federation of country like Franz. This is no way because if he is then he's kind of telling on himself in public doesn't understand his own country let alone its fullest. It's really scary to me that people can get promoted that far and I think the at the very best is a useful clown he someone who's so incompetent. That he's been promoted because our guy like we can use that guy he so ignorant he cares about these issues he's a company man, his the Yes man I've never seen. I think actually the older I get the more I observe people like that in high positions of authority. I think it's a mix of. Actual screw this no. He's bullshitting. bullshitting because if you live in a world like his that's by design, there's enough black people in France that you could have what did professional capacity of people that were senior even if you're not asking questions to why is. Given, the demographics and Franz. The new muscle, some level believe with consciously or subconsciously that we're inferior. Lie I when I when people come out with VAT. Surrounded by having this happening in the world. In France. Mata in France and black football is GONNA go through. If that's what you're coming out with. Some level you just don't live black people very much. This is another one for the. What the fuck are we actually doing everyone followed absolutely. It's not ready to not you. The people know what's going on I, was talking to some this nick at all like there's no issue with race in this country I said, okay take him a black boyfriend happens day. And they went quiet. You know that racism an issue. You just have to do with it. And they were like, yeah, actually my aunt's ready racist. My aunt uses the N. Word is there you go? So, you're saying there's no racism in your family, but you would take a black boyfriend home not warning about what was going on this get out so Yeah, it's like that. Let's move on to another one and Omar God timing. From Cheeky Bobo. The of the heaviness of everything in the world. Timing is, amazing Scott. is most excited and or optimistic about for this new season Oh. My goodness. I'm really optimistic about an excited about stat. The inevitable shutdown? So we could go conceptual for both well, you know what friends are friends. friend. Get Deep. This is meant to be a phone wool. Sorry. Sorry. Can I well yeah, apparently, the school shutdown. Okay Great. Both. Warm On on happy unhappy on an unserious night. I heard on Sirius. I am I'm looking forward to I. Guess Looking to buy now that Messi staying. Trying, to get the best of these young players Arden for that. Yeah. I'm really excited about Messi I get out of football club. Yeah. Yeah. If I was messy. I would have posted an instagram just of Kumons ankles said. Really. Yes, wild wild I stage for this. I would have been like. If I'd known that these on cool. We're to be on show with these loafers out of taking you to call. Me Naive as well. This is super naive myself saying it. I'm looking forward to draw fixes breakout season in Spain. In Two thousand twenty four, it's not gonNA happen this year but I. I just love watching him so much I ready I hope he takes off this year. He I enjoyed relations. League. Ashley. Most excited or optimistic about this season from personal point of view on radioactive mystic about Austin women's superleague. I'm a I'm a little bit too terrific by Oslo in general at the moment I'm pretty excited about Dortmund. This season by on the trouble and signed Leroy Sunday Yup however, we did say the only slight chance that the Bundesliga the rest of the Bundesliga might get is if they let Tiago go yeah gone yeah I think they'll be okay chemistry still heavy I mean you can put cash in there and play Pavel right back I mean they're good. This is the thing about your Kim he's like Oh yes sorry we've got we got kimmy. You know it's funny though in those Marshall in that game, the one no. Dortmund looks really good for stretches of that kimmage played sentiment. Phil Doug he did I just I just wanted to now like I mean those big games. Glock back by. By and grab domino's again pivotal. I just think. Leipzig Losing van. A not ready strengthening to the same extent. Patrick as well. To Lakers and bake loss. That's a big. Labor case and could be a little sneak to do something fun this year. That's true. I'm looking for to the Bundesliga rashly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited about the nominated for two. Yeah. I'm hopefully going to be going to my first game this weekend. So I won't find. One apparently, there will be funds back. I think is room I think maybe ten thousand dollars and I think that's going to be five M on this weekend. By thousand five. I'm taking a quick break yet it's too. All right. We're back from the break final shirt. Let's do this quick from. This is a little bit of a personal. We've got to personal ones actually. So let's do this one I. John Locke and he said Longshot Einar. Is there any chance of an upcoming podcasting where you to interview each other? Probably not because that would assume you re interesting. Exactly. He said just about the origins of the podcast of a deep dive into how you both hopeful world. So we could do a short version because. We met because of the OSS cast s right widely, and we played football at the same football club in Berlin different sides within the football club, and we met once briefly at a Christmas party. I think you're full hand. Yeah. Yeah. I knew who you were new. Anyway, we got until she went for coffee and it lasted for as we were talking about all kinds of stuff. I think it was not long after the BREXIT fire, right? It was still the nerves was still grew. Yeah, and anyway, we would just meet for coffee once a week share and you arriving oviously for big places and I hadn't really done any before and you encourage me to. Run my very first piece on. That's we're talking about. Your and you would just let you should write this. Piece. Actually. That's how I started getting into Roy because of Mesa and then. We teamed up on a on a on another focus for someone else for a year and then we start studio. In two thousand, nineteen goodness. Just over a year ago. Good early entry into the podcast market. Such a niche in two, thousand, nine hundred to talk about football and. We look the world, but if the world in a financial socioeconomic. Challenges. So the will be it's another podcast. Our gift to you. Les Mis. But how how did you get into Will Ryan? You just went you went and wrote a book. I just went straight in yet SIPOWICZ. So I am it was two thousand and. Six. And I was approached by someone who is like look at about your creative writing started out writing short stories and poems wants to be. Literally novelist still haven't written literally novel. and. So she was like look what you doing to be a writer and. I'm doing other stuff right now decent poetry but doing some not literally stuff. And she said you can best piece on the kind of claw system in the UK and a private school education. So you know what? That's not really by. Not. Investigative. Journalists. Basel. I do love cool like it's always been in my family like my granddaughter's coach again, a national team awhile couple of ankles played like all of. You know football is such a big part of who I am just as a as an observer's whether some of the plays it will played it. And I said I'd love to do a book about football thought. Well, let's do it for great football. Annette to let me just how come with eleven things that make a great footballer. And put open to a conversation. So a culture. That came out in two thousand and eight, and that was I. The Year William Hill. So that's how I got into football writing in shot to James Tara Espn. He gave me the chance to write about united and then I ended up eventually. Thirteen years later. With. The Reef told stories, some link business important people realize. The journey is long like I've got people sometimes every now and again going on already love what you do. Agree love like not enough a sons. Eric let me not I mean they love the position of to. And I always say to them. You know what? Like you wouldn't envy the journey a toll You would be the journey in your journey will be different So whatever you end up doing however you end up doing it. DO BE PREPARED FOR That level of challenge because. Goodness me I mean who it was. It's been a journey. I'm also reward. That my face twice a week. If there was ever. A fable? For the love of number eight don't do anyone. The. PORTA. Gold Ryan. Ula. Oh the wow nice plants who say you nice play baseball? Flat have her basis. That's quite pleasant view and I not bad for a man. This one from DHRUVA. Ballroom. Truth. What a great ride to show the history we know Moose cupcakes Ryan. What's your equivalent? Man My quivalent. Sweet good. All right. Good friendly archetypes Cafe Berlin his started doing bakos slices and by God. They're like Oh my God when he said there was none left I turned into the angry woman shower cap maim talk you yes. You have to drag me back Lee was just across the counter and I was just like Banquo's lies ahead. Not laughed. I mean. We're British right. So bake will so Baker slices essentially in our DNA. Yes. But this shit slops come up come can we actually make a confession? Then the first time both of us went to get them on separate occasions we both how to second hoping? Yes that's true. That's true. I was in the the the the. The RECON I was in the testing phase pizzas like Greece. Testing. VACO slices and I was like I. Think I'm GonNa have to get another one just to. Just, to double check, there's a few things I, WanNa? Rigo. Remind. You know just in terms just check there's any bugs bugs. That doesn't work. You know what I mean anyway great at drew for said also on a more serious note taking into consideration the addition of so much talent in the women's superleague. This summer couldn't English team Realistically Challenge Leon over the next few years I'd say yes and also. The lovely piece on the ring dot com slash locker. Room by Mr. Ryan Hung Bake will slice enthusiast. Yeah I brought piece for the Ringer about how Leon superiority obviously rained. But the how the GOP is closing, they've obviously lost a couple of key pieces whilst also signing some really good players. The women's see believe superstock. Oversee Chelsea city in the Champions League. This season gives awesome overrun at the League in the same way that gave Chelsea more run the league last season. I expect Chelsea to go deep in the Champions League. And I I would expect Muncie to once all of their new signings of Selden I fair a little bit for Wolfsburg although depending it wouldn't surprise me if it was A. 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181A-Welsh Legends: Otherworld

Myths and Legends

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181A-Welsh Legends: Otherworld

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In it learn about taking trips to the ferry realms for fun and profit and that if the guy who you just stole a wedding from wants you to climb into his magical sack maybe don't do it. The creatures this week are magical women who band together to help each other chase men off cliffs this myths Legends Episode One Eighty One day other world. This is a podcast real stories from mythology and folklore. Some are incredibly popular stories. You think you know. But with spies origins other stories that might be new to you but are definitely worth listen today. These stories the start of a Welsh collection that I've been getting requests for since the podcast started. The collection is known as the avenue. Gin and even though it's a collection it was really only put together after the fact and the eleven tales that make it up are sometimes only loosely connected. The stories were written between the thirteen and fourteen ten. But there's a lot of debate about when they're set with the eleventh century. Ad COMING UP A lot. The stories are fantastic containing mysterious. Otherworldly figures shape shifting massive battles nights kings queens talking animals and more. I'm so glad we're finally getting started on this. There are four main branches in addition to a smattering of other tales. So we'll jump in at the beginning. Med King who just wants to go on a trip through the dark forest Pool his attendance and servants. Who was that for hunting trip to the dark otherworldly forest the servants and attendance looked at the king. They were as excited as their choice was voluntary. The kings started to do the math. See if that was an insult or not but decided to just get on with it. He told his nobles and such not to wait up in a few hours. Galloping across the open field a dozen hounds running out in front of him pull quickly outpaced companions but seen as it was their job to keep up. Well that was a servant problem a King problem was which stag to kill but as pool dot across the Moors. He could see that that problem was already solved. There was a dead stag lane. They're surrounded by hounds. Well blue was the king and this was his land. Whoever stag that was noble or peasant they would hold their tongues. He looked at the dogs. Tearing into the dead Stag He had never seen dogs like that before. Shining white with red ears booked. Cool all right. Get Out of here. The dogs despite the king being the one separating them from their dinner actually obeyed they cleared out in pools hound started and on Stack Excuse you pool. Her behind him. Pool turned his horse to see a man mounted on own horse and outfitted almost as well as pool. Pool smiled and said that he was pool. The King of this region and you are. The Stranger said that he knew that but he would not be greeting pool. Pool blamed Do K the stranger said that it was because of pools lack of manners and discourtesy taking a man stagg and letting your own hounds. Feast on it. That was low. He wouldn't take revenge on King Pool but he would bring shame upon the man worth the value of a hundred stags King Pool pinched. The bridges knows that sounded exactly like revenge. I mean there was even a monetary value. Look if he had done anything wrong. He wanted to redeem his friendship. According to the man's rank but to do that he would need to know who the man was. The Stranger smiled. He was on on King. Von Even King Pool took a deep breath the magical land of eternal youth the fairy realms in some places the underworld king on on grinned the very same pools heartbeat faster cool while now he absolutely had to make this right and how could he help this strange king to whom he was now conveniently indebted the fairy. King grinned glad that pool should ask back home in the failings because once again he was the devils king of a magical world he just needed someone to kill the king who lived next door. The guy was constantly fighting him. That will be enough to pay back the slight today. Who'll nodded O K kind of a big ask? But how could he do that? The Stranger Grand He was glad to hear that was onboard. The first step was already done pool. Should go look in that pool of water over there pools mounted and whenever to the water when he looked at his reflection he wasn't looking at his reflection but that of the ferry king on on. Pu looked back and he saw himself sitting atop the ferry kings horse announced said that he had just failed to kill half gin the neighboring king. So the main. We'll be back. In the meantime pool could hang out in fairyland and sleep with his beautiful wife every night on an eccentric fairyland king so short of saying something stupid like. I'm not on out of our new Van. Pool should be fine. Poolside hanging out for like how long he had his own kingdom to tend to on on cocktail eyebrow. One slow your roll. You insulted me in your kingdom will be fine. I'll be here with fun. Fairy Magic to. He comes back to challenge me once a year. So he'll be back. What is it a year from yesterday? Pool scoffed a year on rolled. His eyes that's right. Humans had life spans. They barely had any time on earth. They were like I don't know what else doesn't live very long. Elephants are tortoises. It was just a year he got to hang out in. Fairyland as the king and at the end of it he used to kill a rival fairy king. Oh one pointer. When pool fought him only stab him once he will beg you to stab him again leaving himself open but don't do it. It's a trap in recover announced that he probably should have guessed that the first one hundred times they fought all right. Well time to go. He would escort pool to the edge of his lands pool seeing that his choice was between angering a capricious fairy king or partying for a year as the king of a magical realm side and said he was ready to go. He was as happy to help. As choice was voluntary. Oh yeah he finally understood that. I'm so eccentric. I know I've lived here and ruled all my life but let's go round and do names in one interesting fact about yourself. Pool said in the form of now he had to admit this Gig was a good one he spent all of his day hunting eating drinking laughing singing carousing which is just like saying drinking and laughing and singing again and at night he went to bed next to the most beautiful woman he had ever seen his queen well on onscreen as well as they got along and as beautiful as he found her the last thing he needed was an angry fairy king who could turn them into a fisher. Something there were plenty of beautiful women back in Wales each night. He would not tour rollover and not move for the rest of night his back to the Queen. The time was so fun that before he knew it. He was surrounded by his nobles. They said that You know who was at the Ford again. When in a challenge on Afghan pool put down his drink. Oh Oh year already all right. Let's get this over with as poole stirred out into the Ford seen the heavily armed king scarred and sneering lumbering toward him he grinned. This was half gallon. Maybe they should have sent the Holguin. He turned around. He knew that the nobles were supposed to laugh. But that was legitimately funny. They weren't laughing though they were looking behind their king with terror pool gasped and stepped away from the blow up with started. Then pool have been trained by the best in Wales so he knew an opening when he saw one and half GAM basically telegraph that opening. Well they didn't have telegraphs yet so it was like he was. I Dunno leaving himself. Open slowly in a series of coded Beeps Pool Stabbed. Him in the center mass just below the ribs and the fight stopped half. Gan drop his spear and shield and fell to his knees. It was over his adversary. The fairy king just needed to do the just an honorable thing and finish him off. Cool look this way in that No Afghan blood dribbling from his mouth said but what did on on me. No come on. He was dying. Oh this was it pulls it. It didn't have again say that last year the year before and however long they have been doing this so he was going to try something different this year. He wasn't going to attack him. A second time. Haffkine nodded well on down passed the test. He was going to die now. Is that what on unwanted pool wiped his spear nodded? Yes absolutely he didn't understand what half Ganz deal was. He was really bad at fighting. Afghan lost every year only survived because on out. I mean he was too lazy to think about stuff anyway. Sorry Bud hundred percent not personal please go. I think they WANNA to conquer your kingdom now by noon. The following day both kingdoms were under announce authority but by noon the following day on. Oun was nowhere to be found you were talking to on on King Fairyland I did everything you asked. I killed that guy and gave a rousing speech and they conquered the kingdom so you know grass. I like doubled your land but some miles on your body by the way with all the feasting imparting partying pool said on an cocktail eyebrow. It was pools body. Did he not get? How illusions worked. Anyway thanks a year and a dead king is just about equal payback for one dead stag. Thanks for playing on touch pools head and the man was sitting atop his Horse in Wales in our world surrounded by his hounds just as he had been the day he found that fateful stag it was over a he was home I know what you did. Pool A voice from the shadows uttered as soon as king pool close desires to sleep he snapped awake scrambling up until he was sitting in bed staring out at the darkness. Who who was that? How did they get past the guards and then he thought about it way? He recognized that voice on on King of uneven fairyland slashed the underworld maybe step from the darkness into light of a burning candle on an was more serious than pool had ever seen him and he had been on for over a year on said that he had talked to his wife. The woman pull had slept with for a whole year. He needed to answer for his behavior. Pool swallowed hard about to say that he didn't know what his queen told him but he didn't do anything but on cut him off His behavior of being a great guy when on and his wife went to bed that night she was surprised that he was even talking to her pool. Eight on aside and didn't even speak to her for a year. Here's up top man pool high five the King of Fairyland so. He wasn't in trouble. Weird way to tell him on on smiled really liked to mess with humans as he left. He pointed a pool still though it was super cool that he didn't get together with announced wife from now on where buds. Keep your eye on your inbox. You're getting something good pool knotted up. Okay finally back in his kingdom and in his own bed for the first time in a year pool went to sleep on. 'em Wasn't joking when it came to give something good. The next day pulls attendance came to his chamber door. There was too much stuff horses. Hunting dogs hawks straight up chests of treasure. It was all waiting for him in the courtyard overtime. Pool on on exchanged all sorts of good stuff and Paul came clean to his nobles about his time in the failings as king on out and his otherworldly animals came to visit Wales and Pu went back to visit over time. The friendship between on UNIM- pool became so close that pulls former title pool. Prince of debit fell into disuse and he was called pool. 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Remember that this is eleventh century Wales so that means basically dead where he will see something wonderful pool of him to the armed guys yet with them you know what he'd take that bet. He said that the feast they had planned could wait. He was climbing that hill risking injury or death to see something wonderful and see something he did. Well someone out there riding on the road. A woman sat atop a Pale Horse Trotting. She wore shining brocade silk and just traveled slowly on her way. Get it down the mound. Did anyone else see that? Who was she? Everyone looked out from the base of the mound to see the woman turned out. The king didn't need to put himself in mortal danger to see her. They throw up their hands though they had. No idea was pull gesture to the road. Well these men were servants of the King. So that obviously meant being his royal wingman. One of the nobles in better shape knotted looked at the woman engage that he could catch up with her. He took off in Iran. At first it was just too late. Jog No reason to overdo things. If he didn't have to when he was running slowly behind her he was just about to catch her. Almost just a few arm lengths away from her trotting horse so he picked up the speed and she took off to. She didn't appear to be moving any faster but she was farther away. So the noble slowdown. It wasn't in good shape just the least bad shape. The assembled nobles and his heart felt like it was pumping fire when he slowed though. So did she once again. It didn't look like the horse was changing speed but that she was closer with renew drive the noble once again took off but as he moved faster she got farther away. It took him a couple more rounds of this to catch on that it was magic before jogging. Back to pool pulled in chastise the sweat soaked noble but knew that this woman was as literally magical as she looked and he ordered the fastest horse to be brought from his court. And that chase when exactly the same way. She outpaced their fastest horses. Gallop with the Mir trot when night fell and their fastest source returned having been work to a lather for nothing pool was more determined than forlorn having sat atop the mound he was supposed to see that beautiful woman and having seen her and despite her clearly wanting nothing to do with men chasing her pool was obviously meant to be with her then day. Pooling Co late on their stomachs atop the hill. Doing that little binoculars thing with their hands all right there she was trying Bhai again. Okay so chasing. Her yesterday didn't work. But what if they tried chasing her? It didn't work. They wore out two horses that day and return to court wracking their brains on the third day of feasting and drinking pool held of finger are chasing. Her didn't either did chasing her but hear me out. What if we chase her? The nobles look to each other nodded. Yeah that made sense this time. Though pool went he tried trotting can't train full gallop. And so what has had seen? She wasn't moving any faster but the faster he got the farther away she was then he cried out to her as his horse was about to collapse from exhaustion. Maiden for the sake of the man you love most wait for me. The woman stopped and turned around. Oh Hey what's up? Pool was gobsmacked she couldn't have stopped three days and has many horses ago. The made not it and he couldn't have said one sentence tour before now pull said that she made a good point So where you going much doing. The Lady said that she was going about her. She smiled and that business was seeing him. Ou the best type of business and this is only a lately paraphrase version of. What's the story? Pool grinned as he helped her down from her horse. And how could he help? She said her name was Brennan. Daughter of hither thin and she was to begin to a husband against her will. But she didn't want that husband. She wanted pool pool said that if he had his choice of any woman in the entire world he would choose her after seeing her face every other woman looked like I dunno trees. He wasn't a poet he was a king. Rian breath good. Wow Okay so he should come to her father's kingdom and arrange a meeting with her. The sooner the better a year from tonight pool narrowed his eyes They definitely had a different definition of urgent. What was up with things in his life taking a year as she mounted her horse. She told him not to worry about it. It was a trip. Nothing will happen in his life between tonight in the next year literally one and a half senses anyway. Keep Your promise and farewell. And she wasn't wrong. One and a half sentences later pool was ready. Ninety nine horsemen tried to hit with. Because when you go to ask something of another king you want them to know that you have ninety nine guys with knives in his house. The implication helped grease the wheels of it and the happy couple was united pool. Stay within and the wedding was planned for well. The next night they move quickly in those days and Rian had already been engaged for a year. I mean it had been to another guy but details so it came to pass that at their wedding feast with reince father in the middle and pool and Rian and either side. A tall man with Auburn hair entered the hall made a beeline for Pool. It being pulls Wedding Day. He was in a good mood and happy to take any supplicants. I want to ask you a favor. The man with an hair stood awkwardly. That's what supplication means you. Ask of me as long as I can give it shelby yours. Pool said with a smile at that moment rienens ears perked up and she turned pool. What why would you say that? Nope he said it and in the presence of his nobles to the main with Auburn hair laughed rookie. Mistake no takes he's back sees aright will. His name was G-. Wow Oh nice to meet you so my request. I the ceremonies Nice. I want it. It's mine now. Second the woman. That's going to be your wife today. She was promised to me before you came along so I want her to on broke the silence by turning to pool her soon to be husband by choice and saying word for word from one translation. No Man has ever been more stupid than you. He threw up his hands. How was he supposed to know that this was the man he beat out for ines hand so you give a blank check to anyone who asks you anything ran inside. Look Pool had to honor his request or else you will bring disgrace upon himself. Pool shook his head. No this isn't going to happen. He's not going to give away his wife through clenched teeth. Rian whispered give me to him. And I'll make sure he never has me. Oh wait how. Random blinked so pool. Wanted her to explain the whole plan. Right now. Pool nodded YEP RIAN enrolled. Her is okay. She would give pool. A little back and arrange a night one year from today for her and growl to be together. There will be a party. I and she would let a beggar with that little bag. She paused waiting for pool to catch up. Oh that's me got it. She continued he would ask for food. Rian would say that he can have as much as he could fit in the bag the thing even if all the food and wine of Seven Kingdoms was put in the bag. It wouldn't be full bag of holding nice poor marked watching all of this food and wine being emptied into the small bag. Guo will get mad and wonder what it takes to fill the bag to which pool reply that it takes an extremely powerful nobleman the most powerful noblemen treading on the food in the bag when he does so bring the bag up over his head. Call Your Ninety nine more years waiting all around. The Orchard and global is no longer a problem but okay He's here right now. Why not just call my warriors right now? Pool last Rian and threw her hands. She didn't know I mean he was a guest here even though he hadn't actually been invited but her plane was also more dramatic magical So a guava spoke up. How about an answer to my completely reasonable request of your wedding. Feast and wife to be. He asked he has just been whispering back and forth. Reach other for like ten minutes. Reamin step forward pool would consent to his request because he was an honorable man. Some caveats one. The feast belong to her and wasn't pulled to give so. She was giving it to pools men to she will be with. Qual one year from today. They would have a party and orchard. Well then she in. Guatemala would have some time alone together. What will not it sure? He was just demanding another human beings property. He would wait for the sort of thing he would return to hit a thin one year from today. Pool couldn't believe it another year before they could get married. Rihan told him to relax. It would be even shorter than last time. Like fifteen words until they were back here. Gua- will still looking at the beggar. But the magical back. He was quickly watching his feast disappear and that was the thing he was second most excited about tonight. He stopped the man. Okay hold up. What would cause this back to be full the beggar who didn't look anything like King Pool don't worry about it? Said that only the strongest nobleman one endowed with land and power. Well if he gets up and steps on the food in the bag the bag will be full okay. Gua- held up a finger. Let me get straight. You're holding a magical limitless bag and the only way to stop my feast from disappearing inside of it is for me to get in said magical limitless bag and stomp around a bit. You really expect me to believe that. The beggar nodded Good because I do believe it will said and step into the bag just a bit of stopping and he get this party back on track one cinching of the bag in ninety nine warriors later and the party was back on track. It was once again pool and Rian wedding feast. There were fun games like in the bag which was less a game in more so warriors pretending that Gua was alive badger that they could beat him while he was in the bag. Sorry John Wall was let out before he was killed on the condition that he make restitution for all he took. It never tried to seek revenge against them. The Spears helped drive the point home and he limped to his horses after a slightly derailed wedding feast pool and Rian and spent a night in quote pleasure and contentment burn. It was three years before they had a son with pools noblemen remarking. Maybe it was Brennan's fault that he should take another wife. That could more quickly. Give him an heir. Good Guy Pool that he had married. Rian he loved. Rian he would not have this discussion until the end of the year. He gave her a little more time then he'd remarry. Before the end of the year though there were cries of labor and then that of a baby echoing through the halls McDevitt. They had done it. The air of Pool Mehan central figures in the madman was born and he was gone after his birth. Rian was exhausted from Labor so she was out but six women came in to help out with the baby. Should he cry in the night they were supposed to stay up and keep watch but the good and bad thing about a baby was that they let you know when they need help after about twenty minutes? The woman followed their master and asleep. When they awoke the baby was gone. Reaction was still slumbering. Six babysitters means you get to do that. But the first woman woke up all the rest the baby was gone. It was there one job and newborns. Were not that strong. He didn't just walk off on his own. What were they going to do? One of the women step forward. She said she knew what they weren't going to do. They weren't going to be burned to death for leading the prince. Get kidnapped under their watch. She had a plan just outside. A STAG HOUND HAD GIVEN BIRTH TO PUPPIES. They kill the puppies smear the blood over reince close a mouth while she slept and leaves some puppy bones sprinkled throughout while one woman took care of this. The rest of them needed to do something else nurse. Fight club the rest of the woman looked at the one with the plan so the answer to a child disappearance was to kill a bunch of puppies and frame that Queen for Cannibalism Saint. She ate her own newborn That was dirk even for medieval legends but leave wound remark that this was their only option because they only had thought up one option. She said she would go get the dogs but the other needed a pair up and start fighting. Those bruises and Black Eyes weren't gonNA make themselves Ran and could hear the screaming blinked awake. What was the point of six babysitters if she was still waking up crying but then she realized it wasn't the baby crying. She slowly sat up in bed. What was going on a smear all over? Where was her baby? She turned to the guards have been called her hand mates sobbing on the floor. Oh you know exactly where he is. One of the handmaid's said to her. The woman's face was bruised and swollen and she walked with a limp. You killed him. We watched you as you were all like. Oh I'm so evil I'M GONNA EAT my son. We were like no no. You can't do that and you were just like watch me after. I beat you all up and you did and we did and it was horrible. Wiping blood and tragically tiny bones from her dress and said that that story was obviously ally she had just given birth and they were saying that she fought off six of them to eat her own baby. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe that you did. What pool screamed as he barged into the room Fair to pool. He did end up believing his wife probably regardless he used. What's way he had to keep the whole issue quiet but were eventually got out to his nobles who demanded that she be punished ran and kept her own counsel and was advised to take the punishment. As long as it wasn't death she called together the nobles and they came to an agreement. The punishment was as follows outside of Castle Narberth Pembrokeshire sit by a mounting block. A place for travelers got on their horses and tell the story of what she allegedly deter son Danny one who asked then she was to offer a piggyback ride to the Court of the king. After one year of doing this every single day she will be cleared and allowed to return home You know you've been wanting a baby. The King Tiernan Seduce Queen who had just fallen asleep. He produced a baby wrapped in silk. Well I got a baby. The wife Rub her eyes. That's not how that worked thinking explained. She knew how every year when this one mayor gave birth to a full the next day the full was gone. Well it was probably a responsible to let money literally be taken from them every year so he decided camp out with a sort and when a clot armed came through the stable window he cut her off at the Elbow. He took off chasing it but realized that he left the stable door. Open rush back right outside the stable or the monster had been. He found the BB resting on the ground. The wife looked at the kid while she was wary of the whole situation but she fell in love with the little guy on site. Yeah he could stay when the child was one year old. He was walking better than most kids in two. He was a sturdy and a smart as a six year old at four. He was already working the stables. It was at that time that travelers passed through tyrannous kingdom repeating the gruesome story. The Queen Random was tunnel but travelers about the night ever since birth then King Tiernan thought about. It was that King Tiernan sat in between pool in Ramen cool having just returned from a circuit his kingdom having just gotten back from giving piggyback rides to Smell Travelers King. Tiernan was widely considered to be the best man in the world so they were happy to entertain him at dinner. He pointed to a young man in his service. Hey Ryan who does that boy look a little bit. Exactly like ran. Clinched her jaw and turn Tiernan really. That kid was like thirteen or something. You was going to bring up pools extramarital children when she had just gotten back from a punishment for losing her own. Turns Eyes Widen? We'll wait. The kid just looked like a teenager. He was really just four years old. He told her in the date. The boy appeared she gasped. She smiled for the first time in four years. Thank God what a relief from anxiety and that his name shall be Pandera. David pools retired. Father shouted he had been listening in for dairy which means anxiety pool turned good. One Dad it was only fitting that his name should be the first thing his mother uttered when she heard of him ran and said that. Yeah but how about relief or thank? God but anxiety really. It was too late. Pool was already calling his son to himself. What was his name weary? Nope not anymore. Welcome to the Family. Per Dairy Aka anxiety that summer everyone was called to his kingdom King of fairyland to celebrate and swear allegiance to dairy as Perry grew up pool. Passed on the Kingdom in Wales came into conflict with Kingdoms in Ireland and the other areas of Great Britain. Those allegiances will be tested. The battle lines are drawn Where we're going to end it this week next week will be continuing the story of the Mono Jian with the second branch. The story of Bran the blessed as I talked about last week fictional is back with a new site to sue good a fictional dot FM for more info. And if you like the podcast we'll shop. It's a fun way to help support. Show get cool stuff and for the first time ever were offering something just for graduation. It's a handwritten personal message from must to the graduate in your life plus a few bonus gifts check out this other stuff we make at the DOT Ahrq Dot. Fm The creature. This time is the Shiga from Russian folklore. The she living in a wonderful cooperative community have far from humans out in the forest completely among their own. Their leaderless on autonomous collective a Commun- that looks out for itself and its constituent members. One full of creatures happy to help their neighbors in times of need when the call for help goes up she go to the aid of their own in terrifying and murdering humans they are nude ragged monsters with wild hair. That can live in the water the forest or even cities. I found him one story and they love you. Don't mind that they love killing ruining or terrifying. You can miss important words there. They mostly target men with men wandering around the forest drunk being their preferred target. I know no one really chooses of their own. Sound mind to take a drunk walk through the dark forest so next time you're hanging out remember friends don't let friends get drunk and wander into the dark forest when they find someone they WANNA target. The call goes out and the other she choose whether or not they want to help if they want to help they follow the quest giver unfailingly. If not they sit it out without judgment. The human usually male sometimes drunk will find himself surrounded in the forest or in the water by scraggly terrifying naked creatures. He runs and the hunt begins once. Hunt starts. It doesn't end until the she. She Gi complete their goal. Be Death ruin or just terrifying the man they might catch him in Needham Palsson torment or just run them off a cliff into a cave. The only way to stop the hunt is to never start it. If you can stand up to the monstrous creatures emerging from the darkness and not take a step away you take all the fun out of it. They'll break off and leave the man to resume his solo walk through the dark forest to be eaten by any of the other creatures looking for a drunk guy wandering the woods. That's it for this week. Myths and legends is by Jason and Chris Wiser. Our theme song is by the band broke for free and the creature the week music is by. Steve Combs their links to even more music in the show notes and I want to say thanks again the better hope for sponsoring this week. Are you stuck at home? Feeling isolated and worried better help online professional counselors who can help their phone or video sessions plus exchange unlimited messages. Fill out a questionnaire and get mashed with a counselor. You'll love Nelson. Twenty four hours get professional. Help when you want it wherever you art. Better help as he truly affordable option in our listeners. 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Saturday, November 23rd, 2019

Sagittarius Today

02:14 min | 11 months ago

Saturday, November 23rd, 2019

"I could morning secretaries. Today is Saturday November twenty third two thousand nineteen the Venus at twenty six degrees Sagittarius Conjuncture Jupiter at twenty seven degrees Sagittarius. This coming year will be about standing in your power and creating space for an incredible journey this his Sagittarius today apart cast original Let's begin your day. Venus's sex tile Jupiter your sign activating your NATO such -Tarian Rian Planets. You're in for a day of overwhelming optimism luck and unprecedented joy. Don't keep it all to yourself. Your laughter is contagious. Share with someone. WHO's feeling a little down? Now take a moment to reflect elect on your relationships. Venus and Jupiter lend you a magnetic quality. Enjoy the increased self-confidence. If you're single you can use the synergy to attract just about anyone you want so do not settle for someone who does not meet your needs find find that person willing to exceed them elsewhere make time for a gentle libra who you may initially overlook Youtube. You could be an excellent team and enrich when another's lives. Contemplate your path to personal growth. You have a kind heart and can infuse the world with positivie. If you feel called find a worthy cause and volunteer all interior time your happiness will multiply as you make life better for someone else Sagittarius today will be back tomorrow to learn more about your horoscope visit California psychics and connect today horoscope. Today is a park last original.

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We Met Bruce Willis (ft. Shep Rose)

Chicks in the Office

1:33:49 hr | 1 year ago

We Met Bruce Willis (ft. Shep Rose)

"Scope. What's up everyone? It's chicks in the office with Rian friend. We're giving you that Friday energy on a Monday. Do we have it? Wow, you can't that you came out hot. I feel where that came like this intro was never going to rival last weeks, just because I'm still standing. Just monologue. I guess we did. Yeah. It was really as good as it gets. It was a great, great intro for Monday, and it really got their day's going. And today we didn't even do a song, so yeah. Play anything. No. I didn't play normal play something. I was enjoying our organic conversation. Wow. That's love with you and Noah and Natalie. Thank you. Yeah. That's just how I felt about that disturb. Everybody by playing the song right now training, my pickles and olives. We were having to pickles and like a little, it's nice if we had some like meat and cheese. Would make for a great board. Right. Right. And some wine Torri. Yes. Oud friend the way we set chills. Go for aboard so bad right now. Yeah. Me too. I mean I'm staring at your olives and pickles right now. I want them. Pretty bad. I thought she was gonna like handed to you. I was like their minds that's fucked up friend. We've had a great week. We had the last yet besides the fact that it rained all week long. I don't know if anybody else has been dealing with this in the northeast, but it actually rain every single day every single day and you know what the worst part about the rain is it brings a damper on my alphabets every day, every day. I'm just like I wear the same jeans three days in a row me to well, not the row, you did. And then I said, I want to wear mom, but I didn't I change. So I, I did because I went with leggings because it was raining, but I ordered all these new summer clothes, and I can't wear any of them because it's raining every day, it's raining or it's just too hot and stick it just grosses sticky. It's just heavy you go outside feels heavy this morning. I was in denial that it was still raining. I put on shorts and crop top and flops and left the brand walked out of my apartment took about two sets and was like this was a mistake Ranchod up booty shorts too. Work, and it was quite inappropriate. My god. These shorts. No, no, no. They're very respectable shorts highly urban outfitters respectable. Yeah. Very cute alpha Fran. I must. It's cold. The weather didn't line up with you. It's fucked up that they did that I know I know was weak arraign, but hopefully one, you're listening to this. You just had a fantastic weekend in the sunshine in on the beach drinking, whatever it is on his supposed to shine. So I hope that's great. He hoped that sun keeps their commitment. Yeah. Okay. Friend. I am gonna cut you off there. Let's talk about our crazy experience. Thursday afternoon. Yeah. So sitting at our desks, just like every day, and then what do we want for lunch? Let's get whole foods we get up immediately. We'll yet was perfect timing on our part. Sometimes I say, what are we gonna get for lunch? We sit there for a little bit. We got up immediately, we start walking, and all of a sudden, a man, walks in front of our tracks and says, hey, what are you guys up to? Yeah. He keeps walking. And, you know, when somebody says something to on the street you obviously look up to see who who it was, whether it's just a random person on the street whatnot. We look back Fran does a double, take route the crosswalk. She goes, what, what the is that burst Willis. I think that's Bruce Willis, and I was like, oh, my I turn around. I'm like, oh my God. It's Bruce Willis and totally totally Willis other people in the crosswalk, turn around. And we're like Bruce, Willis, what's the what's the name of that hat, the kind of he was wearing? I just call like an Irish. I know. But scale. Yes, that's what it is. Yeah. Scott like, oh, shuts me. Good job. Thank you. So yes, and he was just minding his own business. I think it was alone was alone. He seemed like maybe was had himself a nice day. Maybe drinking a little bit. I'm not really sure what Bruce was up do not seem like BRUCE'S just trying to chat with people on the street. So I will get Fran. I'm like, are we on hidden camera show right now? But this is when famous people talked to people on the street, and then the other people don't notice them. It's like all they didn't know that was Bruce, Willis. Yeah, it would have been a great shot of France face, if it was a hidden camera show, when Franco's that Willis, I mean, the acting or whatever it whatnot acting. But the reaction reaction was so good from you. That if that was on TV for a hidden camera show, be great, but I've been great. I don't think it was hidden camera show because we turn around we go to Bruce Francis Bruce, we had a picture with you. Yeah. I've, I can't believe that call him by his first. That use knows. I don't know what emotion took over me. But I was like, we gotta get a picture with him. We got ask, and you Bruce. Yeah because because you know what? I'm glad I did because he did ask us. How old we were. Yes, you did. Which I feel like valid question. Two young girls walked wanted to make sure you don't wanna get any granted. He said, hey, what are you guys up to and to clarify, it wasn't you knew who we were. Right. Right. Peop-. I tweeted that this like Bruce new guys. No, no. I just stated exactly what happened. Bruce said, what are you guys up to? And then we turn around realized Bruce Willis happened. Can you confirm friend confirm if he was like, hey oh, my God. Chicks in the office out, how that would have been our sure. But that's absolutely not. What happened zero idea, your idea Ziaur idea where he was what he was doing? I don't think Bruce had any idea who he was. So it was like it was so hilarious. And so maybe it was just me just trying to like be assertive. And like, hey, Bruce. The. Bruce. So, you know our age past our age, so Franco's. See this, this tricky, because I blurted out twenty five neither of us are twenty five by disfigure. Nice round number. Twenty five which. Wow. I don't even like you told me that. And I don't even think blurted out five I was because I was just like I was like, Bruce, Willis isn't about to age, the check our age say. I like. Up so no, so they want to be like, well, Bruce real was born on July twenty six nine hundred ninety seven and I was born on. No, but, you know, I know but I just picked twenty five I'm almost twenty five only a couple more months. So she goes, she Bruce goes older you guys. That's the first thing he says and friend just blurt out twenty five and then he looks and he goes, he didn't really believe he goes, are you? Sure. Twenty five and the Frank goes, well, I'm twenty five. She's she's twenty one. And then I was like, I'm twenty one she's twenty five. I'm a year. The funniest part about that is that we were acting like, Bruce, Willis was a bouncer at a club. Oh, you shot out twenty five. I got nervous. I we look at him gala cab, everything goodbye. And he was wearing a t shirt that said one two. It was like I was like twenty five I don't know how old am I tell me. However old you say I am. That's I ended up this. I rounded, I'm a big round up to, like my I keep seeing him twenty one and my mom's like you're not twenty one you're twenty two and I'm like, right. I'm not twenty two yet my birthday didn't happen. We're so close his birthday too, and I was like do I just days, do I say twenty it was it was like, do I say, almost twenty two an almost twenty five twenty one and twenty four I would same age twenty five straight to the point. I was hoping not to, like chitchat. You know, let's say the picture let's keep going kind of staring at us for a little bit in between that time, you know, when it was like. People staring at us talking to his. Yes. And then he took the picture. Yeah. And I was about to say, like do need to see my license, Bruce because honestly, I don't know if he believed us. And then he was like, all right. Let's go to picture and he was happy about taking pressure. Very Salvi, we took a selfie. And then he pointed to because other people were taking pictures of him taking pictures with us, and he's like, oh, look at these people are taking pictures of us take pictures. It was, and then that was really it. We got our cell phone laugh. Thank you very much. Have a nice day. I look like I'm on vacation in New York City with my parents, I this is the thing. I didn't realize until I really went back and looked at the photo because he was standing like he's was pretty tall. So he was kind of out of the shot because you're short. I'm sure so he'd like duck down to fit into the oath. He goes, oh, I got to duck down your short crouch down. So we crouch down and our faces got very close which I didn't realize until I looked at the picture because he was behind me like I didn't realize. How close he got? So if you're actually looking at the picture look at this picture. If it looks like my head is on his cheek, weight, which is, is a depth perception thing. It was not actually on his cheek but it looks like yeah, go to go to actually people don't follow us on Instagram. So go to office, and you could see the picture. Yeah. Friends head is resting on Bruce. I have to worry about Nick Jonas, and like some guys but not Bruce with. Oh, France boyfriend plays a part of this part of the story is that I send Joe the picture because I'm like, we just ran into and he goes, oh, my God, I just saw him thirty minutes ago. And I was like, what do you mean? You just saw thirty minutes ago, and he went to lunch Czyz offices, like kinda in the area that we're in. But he was like, yeah, he was on Park Avenue like Joe and his buddy from work. We're at a sandwich shop. They were looking out the window and some guy like hands over his eyes peering into the sandwich shop and then walked away and Joe looked at his friend was like, I think that was Bruce. So and between the half hour Bruce made his way over to where we were. Sure. Sure. So Bruce, Willis is just roaming the streets. You're ready. And I'm telling you roaming, capitalize, roaming, because Bruce, Willis was on one. The, the man in the beard that he was talking to at the trash can. The van up the man with the beard who's talking about the trash. Can't do you think he knew that guy or did not know that guy? He did not know that guy. He didn't. He didn't know that guy because I think that guy wanted to take a picture with him because I was looking back guy wanna picture with him. But you end up interrupted really cost that guy with the beer we talked the beer guy, Bruce about talk to us and not the beard guy anyone long. Yeah. This act that you said when Bruce was standing the bearded man by trust. Like when I tell you really what happened. He was just standing next to a trash get on twenty th CF. Like, you know, a lot when you're walking on the streets in New York City, a lot of people shouting out random things a low. Yes, especially in this neighborhood, there's a lot of there's a lot of wacko. There's a lot of crazy people running around. So when Bruce Willis walks in front of our tracks and says, hey, what are you guys up to? I thought it was just some random crazy, man. Yeah. Look back. And it was Bruce wells who, by the way, Hugh. Yeah. Fantastic. Four fantastic. Awesome. And he was like, I felt a little awkward ask him for the photo. And then he had the biggest smile in our figure. I want to say that the smile so happy in the photo. The smile Bruce Willis is wearing in that picture is the biggest smile, Bruce Willis has shown to the public. I looked pictures of Brazil smiling. There's not a lot of there's, there's really not a lot that match up with. Our smiling picture with bursts. Now, I want to say that are you looking now I'm looking Bruce will smiling we got the biggest ally heat. I mean, I love my dad, and I think my dad's very good looking guy. But I feel like Bruce, Willis is kind of like a hot version of dad. What is going on? Nobody knows nobody knows where my dad looks like so the says even work, but you see seen my data four when I was when I will ball blue eyed, met friend before when I was telling you that a lot of people were deeming me. And I was saying that I couldn't get enough people deeming me that I look like I'm on vacation with my friend and her dad, I was gonna say, Bruce does kind of look like that, in this Votto, he kinda my he does if you've seen friends dad, what you have is you have, which none of them. They just take our words workers Willis. Yeah. And Cal Ripken combined crept, Bruce wills and Cal, Ripken combined. You ranch. Pretty much that's out. Yeah, that's shit. He's in a love this comparison. Yeah he is. I mean, it's a great one fucking Bruce, Willis Cal Ripken. Great people, man. All right. Moving on. I think we're done talking about. Yeah. All right. All right. All right. All right. Getting. Just sent that. You had a beat to it today. Yeah. The new. A new song. No, I said we needed to write us new song about how cold it is in the office. And I feel like but whatever you came failing people can tons of people could relate to that. Because office buildings they just keep their conditioning on blast in the summer, and you get cold. And if we did make a song about it explaining when you're at a concert, you're like I don't even remember what addressed the crowd and you're like you made a country song. And I don't even remember who filming. Filming? All right. We'll have to look back and check the tape. It was a country song. But anyways, we gotta get into this text. All right. Well, this wasn't even Texas was an Email. Okay. Oh, no. It was an Email that I got it too. And I saw it. I saw all ready? You saw all ready. I mean do we got emailed one? I you know, we got somebody emailed, one to both those she, I think, we're you're saying it's seeing Email. Oh, I thought you were saying, you're reading it from an Email submission, in which case, I was going to say I already read that because it was sent to. All right. I m crying right now. I'm just because you are. Okay. And then I have announcement to make at the end of this. Okay. Read it make your announcement not crying. I'm just laughing a lot. Hi RIA, love the podcast. I have a pretty awful take a deep breath and start over. All right. Hi RIA, love the podcast. I have a pretty awful. Whoa. That I descend that story for you, although I was not. There was not a period there. Not there. I'm keeping better together. I'm not putting anything. No. You have to cut this. Nope. No. Not cutting it keep going. All right. Although I'm not sure if it qualifies since it's tech technically an Email while Honey qualifies. Nobody laughed at that except for you. So. I just wanna leave us in. So everyone listening what we have to pay. Sometimes when she gets into like a giggle fit. Okay. I'm all right. Honestly, I'm getting a little PTSD from writing and reliving this. But here's the Reader's Digest version. I was dating a guy for years ago for about six months before I got an internship halfway across the country and decided to take it anyways, I was kind of, in my crazy college. You're still and didn't necessarily see future with my boyfriend at the time but we decided to give it long distance. Try partway through the summer, I met a guy in the city who looked exactly like Zach Ephron and was super spin and I could tell he was interested. Anyways, my boyfriend was coming out to visit within the week and I'm a big list guy. So this girl said, I'm big list guy, she's a girl. So I decided one day at my internship, to make a list of pros and cons of breaking up with him while he was in town to explore things with this other guy. I did it over. Email so that I didn't look like sitting on my phone at the job, fair. Anyways, my boss came up as I was making the list I quickly typed in my own Email address to send myself and look at it later, and I accidentally sent it to my boyfriend. Needless to say his visit was very awkward on a comfortable. And I told him that I want to be on a break. He goes back home and breaks up with me over the phone week later which was probably well deserved after we broke up. He would text me randomly. And I've always just been to embarrassed reliving the Email and the break-up to respond not much. You could say someone after they get a huge list of you shouldn't date them. Anyways, hope y'all gotta laugh at okay. So first of all, I that is tough, because you're sending your boyfriend. A list of all the reasons why he sucks, and that's tough. That's really there's no coming back from that there's just there's just not, because he's always going to remember all the, the stuff that you don't like about him. Yeah. My. Question is, though, why wouldn't this guy say, hey, I read her Email about the cons? Like I just want to know if these people just pretended like Email didn't even exist. Like, do they win address Email? That's what I'm saying. Like how like you as a human being do not address. Right. The problem. Right. Like how do you not? I'm on screen shotting thing and immediately, sending it right away. Yeah. I'd go crazy like fuck you piece of shit. What the Braves happening right that. Right. Right. So I don't understand. So my second things, what I wanted to add an announcement to make before this. I really wanna story. So a lot of people are sending me great. Yeah. Great fuck. Yeah. I really wanna story where somebody is really pissed about the text. I'm just waiting for me to read one where some explosive fight happens. Read at the end. I'm like, all right. Well ending. Yeah. Ship ending blow up fight. Right. You're, you're hoping they went through something really traumatic in reality. Some reality TV shit them. Okay. I have some questions for this girl, did you ever say if she actually did hook up with Zach franca now? She did see some people. That's what I wanna know. Did you hook up with his with Zach, send your submissions at Maria Cheffou F and give us the details? Oh another thing. Which by the way, we got a rate this one. I know. I was thinking about that the whole time, okay? Well, let me mention this first when you send attacks. And then you say at the end of it. Don't mention the names if you use this. Right. Just Jack the name is use different names. Yeah. If you don't want the names to be used or does leave a blank crease face names or right? Like leave a blank space. Her name's we'll make right names. Right. But I love all this mission. So keep something. Yeah. They're they're great. I, I actually like this one, this is that's that sucks. Just something about Email feels way. Right. Because I don't know. It's like a formal bad and it's very formal. It's not like oh, I was I was talking about it with the friend. Sorry. Also sitting there by yourself writing this Email. And if you're the boyfriend you, you're thinking, who was she emailing this, right? Right. Was getting this on E. I don't know why he would even still go. I would've loved to knowing the cons out bad, the car, I'm going to read this. I'm gonna read this. One, a six point seven because we got the cons, and it didn't seem like it was as bad of a break-up. He didn't mention it to you. It seems fair. I you're looking for the drama. I'm looking for the journal. I, I feel this on the panic scale, you know, as far as sending bad things sending a list of why you shouldn't be dating your boyfriend to your boyfriend is pretty pretty bad. So I'm giving this one a seven point one. Okay. I appreciate that score. I think it's a good score. Think you know, we, we decided ours for different reasons. Yeah. Different scales. Free things have different appearance, right? So keep sending them to my Instagram, DM's, and I will read all I read all of them. So keep sending them. I also I'm screen shotting a lot. So if I haven't read yours yet, might still becoming but keep them and send them to rea- because I like to be surprised for us. Yeah. So to me, I'm not reading it. Yeah. So orcas reread them and then she picks the best one, and then I like it because it's like a surprise every time you re. Right. It's real more better reaction when they're really bad. Yeah. And I get so excited to tell them. You do. I get I get really excited. So just send them to at Maria. Cheffou FIFO, also there's something else. I want to say about DM's, please don't send me any bachelorette spoilers because they go to chicks in the office. I don't look at it as much. And I try especially now during when we're in season. Like, if I see stuff, I will try not to look, Berea looks at everything and admit it, I saw. Yeah. It's been spoiled for rea-. So I'm the last man, standing here what you saw it. I actually was disappointed to. So what you've seen it too. I have to watch the rest of it, but I know it's but we gotta talk later the game plan, this is the thing. Now, both of you know, and I don't know. Yeah. And I'm just begging everybody out there to not spoil it for me. I, I already feel like I have an idea because if feels like a very predictable season right now, However, I don't wanna know I don't want to know, don't send it to me. And you, you already know it's I know it's over and I'm really unhappy about it because I'm honestly just trying to do my job. I know sag. You know. Right. And when we're doing our recaps, like maybe something spills or you're like, oh, well, who doesn't even matter because who cares about this guy anyway? I'll be I'm going to be like fuck. No, no. I won't do that to you. I'm going to like now you have to like act. No, I'm gonna let you carry the recaps. Okay. And maybe we can have Trent on. Yeah. And what not to fill in for the spot that I now know everything, but I do still wanna shit on the guys do that. And I don't know. I really don't like I just got the unspoilt I don't know stuff that's happening. We tweak. I don't know who's going to go home, not right. I don't know any of that. I just know the last man, standing just wanted to throw that out sucks. It's painful, but I want I like I said last podcast. You happy about it at the same time. I'm like damn it. I got spoiled. Yeah. You know, one of those type of things are, let's get in to today's podcast. Okay. We got. Me, LA who knows and Ashton Kutcher, shutting down break up rumors Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise fight looks a little more likely. Car, delving and Ashley Benson. A fashion blogger wedding scandal thing, you had no idea with how to even explain this. It's it wasn't influencers engagement, wedding that went viral that we basically, found out was just it was just like, Nah, I don't want to call it a stunt because they obviously, like they did get engaged and married, but they tried to sell it. There was like a pitch deck that came out. It's, it's, it's just the influence look inside the influence. Our world is crazy. Okay. We gotta get into it already. Shep rose. We got Shep rose on the podcast fantastic really interview. We just we just had a great time with him. We talked about a lotta shit, not necessarily not necessarily having to do with southern term, just a lot of us that he, he told us we are it was on doing playing some game on us weekly that he's. Kissed Sheena before. Oh damn. I like he's kiss. A lot of people next time he comes in here. We got to play some kind of who you've kissed. So you haven't or just like give us your entire list. Yeah. That'd be easy. Okay. Let's get into it starting off with Justin Bieber and Tom. Our guys. We have some big, big news Tuesday is the Dunkin Goto awards, the barstool awards, presented by Dunkin Goto and Duggan, go To's are a great deal for two four or five dollars with Duncan's Goto. You got a great deal for two of your favorites too, and cheese wraps for two dollars to bagels with cream cheese for four dollars and to bacon, egg and cheese croissants for five dollars in my opinion. It's a pretty tough deal to beat. And that's my go-to cents America runs on Dunkin participation may vary. Limited time offer. Exclusions apply. Guys. Also reminder, like I said it is the parcel wards, presented by Deng. Go to's. It'll be live seven thirty pm eastern with the pre show on Tuesday, the pre show I think we'll have us in it. Honestly. I don't know. And the award show will follow at eight o'clock, which you can watch on the barstool sports website. Eight or on the barstool app. We have an update on the Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise fight. Yeah, this is wild. So TMZ is reporting that there was a phone call last Friday between our Emmanuel the co CEO of the William Morris endeavor. Agency that owns UFC. And scooter Braun Justice manager, and they conference in Dana white. And apparently they said that the fight needs to happen. It would be epic Dana said that he would one hundred percent down to do it. And it seems like scooter made it clear that Justin would absolutely fight. That's a quote would absolutely fight. If Tom wanted to do it now, obviously, there's a whole fifty percent other half of, of this fight. We have no idea what their thoughts are like Tom Cruise has one thing about this. So we don't know. However. Says at during the call our says he said he strongly believes that Tom Cruise would agree to enter the octagon, Dana white told TMZ sports, obviously that the fight would be a no brainer. Just because Tom Cruise does to be obviously. And if they could get both to agree to do it. They would they, they would put it on. So I guess scooter said that Justin would do it. So I guess the balls in Tom Cruise court, I just feel like Justin Bieber. Doesn't really have anything to gain from this because if he wins. It's like okay sick. You beat up a fifty six year old and he leases really do like low cruise after says, nothing to gain from it either. Like oh, you beat up Justin Bieber. Oh, you or you both have a lot to lose Justin Bieber losing to Tom. Cruise is going to be embarrassing because Justin Bieber is the one who initiated the fight right. Using Justin Bieber would also be embarrassing because it's Justin Bieber. Tom Cruise should win over Justin Bieber. So I don't know. Oh, why I guess, maybe for money? But we'd be it would be a win for the data, obviously going to push for it, because it would be huge for them. And they they're trying to make it happen if they're actually making phone calls if this team but also accurate for money for them. But Justin Bieber. I don't think it's tight for cash cruises either. They're both pretty well off people there, too. Big household names, that just don't need to fight, although let's get entertaining. Let's get it on Tom Cruise and Justin Bieber. I love to see you fight, but when I'm sitting on the outside looking in, I would say you both have a lot to lose. But at the same time do it because we wanna while. Yeah. And it when we first saw this, it seemed like such a joke, and obviously, we never really looked into it as much as just talking about is like, who would win between like a fight between the two of them. You know, it was never really legitimate. But this call makes it feel like it's maybe thirty percent. More legit. Earnings per cent more. We haven't heard anything from Tom Cruise, I can't see Tom Cruise. Yeah. Green into this. Why would Tom Cruise put himself in this position for no reason? He doesn't have to why you fight somebody else, although I don't really know what Tom's relationship is with. I don't stay like Tommy Ethan allowed to fight in the church of Scientology or late loud, things like that. I don't know. I have no idea idea. But I'm really not a clue. Maybe. Tom Cruise doesn't agree Justin Bieber. We'll pick somebody else. Yeah, that's true. I don't know who he would pick their somebody, somebody out there. He wants to fight just picked Tom Cruise at random if. Yeah. I mean just pick another actor pick another random shore actor. Yeah. There's plenty of them. Yeah. I don't know who I don't know who comes to my mind right now. That's like kinda like Tom Cruise ask you with somebody older. Somebody older. Short. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's so many there could be so many short actors. Yeah, you're right. We can't spend all day doing this. Fran. But we'll see what happens. Ashi cut your Emmylou kunas have shutdown break up. Rumors in the best way we love when couples do this, we've talked about this before the tabloids that post the absurd headlines about couples breaking up this one. She this, this one has, like nice out ain't star. Okay. Those magazines. They always just print whatever they want. They literally just make stories imprint them. I don't know how they're still in business how they're still kicking, but they do it works for them. Ashen couture emulate, kunas made a video of them reading the magazine. Can we play the clip? What's happening? What's going over between us? It's over between us. Oh my God. What are we gonna do? You felt suffocated by me. Oh, I was just so overbearing wasn't it? What else going on the kids? Oh, you took the kids. I don't get the kids anymore. But I get your heading Dirk secret exposed. Oh my gosh. What was the dark secret? And really dark. Thanks, my favorite part of this meal just going. Oh, and I took the kids, I, I love when couples do this, we've seen Kristen bell actress do the same thing but I just love how they could joke about it. And also it clears things up because some people do believe those tabloids saying, we do, because we don't. But there are people who read those tabloids, and also believe it. So good for me LA and Ashton for shutting down, and it's, it's actually funny it is it is. And I want to say it's like we've talked about it before Dax and you mentioned you brought them up. Dax Shepard and meal. I feel it, it was weird because remember when was at meal, went on DAX's podcast and he was like talking about what you say, Sean Miller, or whatever it was. But it was so very funny. I maybe just a little throwback to that. But Dax commented on the video was like damn it. I was gonna take a run at M K. I wanna read. See, I love that them them as a foursome. Yeah. Just great movie. Of just a fort. Yeah. Told the four of them got to be in a movie together. Yeah, I could see that, like some kind of. Not rom com. I'm thinking like a game night. But not, not exactly. I'm thinking, like something with kids in it, but not their kids. Right. Who, who maybe there to like rival parents out of school? That's a good one. You know, like they're, they're both parents at a school, and they don't like each other ones like the hippie. Parents one's stuck up parents. Yeah. One strict ones Google. That'd be fun. It'd be good movie, the four of them in a movie Desio. Many people would watch it, by the way. Do you see that Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston? They're movie murder mystery the sounds about to do Natalie. Did you see that thirty million people watch that movie days, I saw biggest release for a Netflix film, this thing, though. Anybody checking those numbers from Netflix? Like I feel like Netflix can say that. And we'll just believe it like it's we'll why would they that's like any box office movie, but with box office, I feel like it's a metric that you can actually check its money. It's a actual like monetary value with streams. It's a Netflix counting L the one telling people like Netflix, cutting themselves and telling people how many watch it. It's Jennifer Aniston out of their million is a lot. E Alba in the first three days. I mean, I guess, I mean it's Netflix and it's Adam Sandler, Jennifer Ashton, I mean, we both watched it and the. Is it within the first three days? I bet a lot of it came out on a weekend, everybody in the control room. I'll watch you watch it within the first three days wanted to come out came out last Friday. Yeah. I think I watched it on Sunday. Yes, it would. In the window were talking. I mean, we collectively friend and I both saw. And then we think I'm going to watch it again. Because I'm like maybe it is good. No. It you said you weren't really paying attention to it. It is good. But when we looked in the control room they all had seen it too. So that means a lot of people it wasn't like one of those things where I just pull the office. And see how many people have watched or not. Right. We should just grab people are walking. Did you watch? And if it's like eighty percent of the people in office, Washington, then we believe then I could see the big numbers. Okay. Then we need to do a study on it. Okay. I feel the Saudi. Yeah, we'll do a field study. And then we'll report back to if we believe it or not, because I wasn't questioning it I kinda was pumped about it. I'm not mad. I thought that was like a massive number. I threw bullshit on it not as much bullshit. I would just like to see the stats. Asking for the stat. Gimme the gimme the poop. No. Have you ever had someone come up to you and say you smell amazing? What perfumery wearing whatever sent you may be wearing. You have good taste. 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Posted a video of them kissing on her Instagram. And then they which was it was. It was just they're both. They're both so awesome. And so she got the hero award at Trevor live this week, and it was a fundraiser to benefit the Trevor project, and she's up there. She accepts her award. She gives her speech and she thanked Ashley, and what she said it was just so it was so great. So cute. She said, I also have another very special woman in this room to think. And you know who you are she's on, she's one of the people who helped me love myself when I needed it most, and I really needed it. She showed me what real love is and showed me how to accept it, which is a lot harder than I thought I love you sprinkles. Oh tearing up it's I don't know why. But when I melt every time I hear. Nicknames that celebrities college other and their relations. Yeah. When, when I say it out and open like all cume, sprinkles nickname. That's so cute. Right, sprinkles. That's such a cute little nickname, and it's it's not. I've never heard somebody say sprinkles. Some people have unoriginal nickname. Right. Right. Rankles is nice sprinkles is very cute. And I love it there fucking own eight. Like they're, they're they there's some pop Razzi pictures of them in JFK holding hands kissing there. It's I I'm happy that they're happy. Yes, they look very happy, very happy. And I think somebody acts CARA, why all of a sudden she posted that she was just like you know, pride and because it's been it's been a year since we dating and we're proud of it. I'm happy for them. Good for them. I love them a couple. We've been so allies time. But now it's confirmed. People are saying it's confirm now. It's been confirmed for a while. I mean, we saw the sex bent, they're living together and they're happy. And that's great for them. They've always had little tidbits here and there are commenting on scrums and whatnot. But I'm happy for them. Because I I'm sure that being able to post about it or just being social about it, having it on social media. It is kind of a freeing feeling like you know what this my girlfriend, I'm super happy about it. We're in love and yeah. If you don't like it, you can get out get. They're just living their lives happy, and that's, that's the whole point of this episode just like do we wanna do? Yeah. And don't let other people bring you down totally and like we said, absolutely love it. I thought her speech was really great. And yeah. I mean I teared up from just use saying reading. Yes. So I can't even imagine how I would have acted if I actually heard her say it. Yeah. Definitely. Is that crazy? Yeah. It is. Too. Think. My. We gotta talk about this wedding dress, the ass, not wedding dress this. So the reason I keep I keep confusing. The two is because I saw a thread on Twitter about this dress. You know, it was like the story of the dress, and I wasn't sure if they were talking about I don't know what they were talking about. But I read this whole threat, and then when I saw everybody talking about the engagement thing I thought it had something to do with each other. So now when I talk about this and getting views between the dress. And this engagement fiasco show, let's get into this engagement fiasco. Okay. So this influence, sir fashion ambitious. Her name's Marissa Fuchs. She works at. Goup and she posted on her Instagram like a couple of days ago, a few days ago, a video of her boyfriend. Not proposing because he didn't actually propose, but preparing her for some like epic scavenger hunt proposal, wedding just like everything combined. There's reaction video photos of her watching the video for the first time. And then for the last few days is just been endless scrimp stories. Just absolutely endless, she, there's this is posted no less than three hundred times on her Instagram story. A lot of post I went to her story before in for welding amount of when the dots pop up. You know, it's a long story when the Leinster dedom-, right? And so it wasn't honestly, I haven't even really like it was hard to even watch all them just because there were so many skip the them. So. It went viral because everyone was like this is so epic. Oh my God. Scarves around the whole thing, and it was a surprise. She had no idea where she was going her boyfriend. Gabe was telling her art now time to go the Hamptons, okay? You're at the Hamptons, you gotta do this. There is little jewelry boxes. Now you gotta go to Miami more stuff now. It's so traveling all over the place. She's with her. Friends outlets are picking it up like this epic. Wedding proposal is everything all all those all that jazz, all that mumbo jumbo now. The. It all blew up when the Atlantic, and tiller runs wrote an article for the Atlantic about this engagement and basically. Revealed that this epic proposal was very much planned out to the point where it was pitched to brands to collaborate with her for the engagement, posting, maybe stories any maybe ads of some sort brand collaborations of some sort. So this, this was crazy, because they got a hold of the full pitch deck and it's wonder beautifully done. Pit is a beautiful really beautiful deck and so they, they basically lined up everything that would be happening. It's the first sides is journey to marriage. Is this summer, Melissa of at fashion? Ambitious will be pulled into a surprise venture created by the center of her life Gabriel. He he will remotely ask her to take an unexpected and sentimental journey to him a journey that will be that will encompass. Many. Familiar stops along the way that offer their own unique gifts originating in Manhattan. And she will travel to the hand Hamptons and link up with friends and Miami before crossing the Atlantic to Paris and awaiting Gabe throughout this journey will capture heartwarming moments prize and delight the soon to be bride at every twist and turn and flight where pleased offer your brand the opportunity to align with this momentus occasion and the beautiful cities, she will be visiting along the way. So the deck has all these photos and literally hour by hour breakdown of where they will be what they will be doing where like inscribe stories or videos could potentially be posted. And so it was just crazy. Because. This comes out and it's like all right. Is this? Call faking her engagement like did she sell this whole thing? One of her friends went on her Graham story, it was like, I'm stealing mercy's phone for like a we're going to get through this. Like I see what's going on the internet. Like she does I swear, she doesn't know what's going on. But it's, it's obviously they're denying that Mersa. Knew anything out it, right. I just I'm confused by all the facts here because she saying that he put together the deck and he was trying to sell it. So he saw eventually, he gave may to say he talked to the elliptic, and he said that it was, it was a friend. So he said it was actually her friend. See, I just don't buy that. Why would a friend? Bins. So they're saying that he said it was actually Evans social media marketer, who has done work for Michael Kors, and Audi who put the deck together and suggested reaching out to brands, Grossman told her the plans for the scavenger hunt, and Evans knowing which brands Mussa regularly works with helped mastermind the partnership. So they were saying it was like a all the friends and Gabe did this together without mercy knowing. Gave is was still adamant that she did not know about it. The friends adamant that she didn't know about this. This is the thing. It's a crazy look into the way. Influencers live their life now. That is like because it's not no secret weddings, get sponsored these, these things get sponsored. Now it's happens all the time you see it, but it's like. So, so often now, this is so telling of like how intertwined it really is. When you don't even notice that subtly, you're watching this girl story and it's like, oh, did glimpse like glam squad. I guess did it did a deal that get featured in this. And then the jeweler did he really buy these things or the jewelry gift these things to him for her. It's all coming together that this is all spun con. It's all it totally isn't it so crazy. And either way, it's crazy, if she did know about it and plan, this whole thing trying to sell her engagement that's bankers. Like that's that is bunker. I mean why what's the point? I can't you just go get engaged like everybody like what you'd have to do that. Need to sell your engagement? Yeah. Just kiss on yourselves in your relationship. Good. What what's going on that you feel the need to sell your engagement? That's just too far for me. That's a fake life. It's crazy is crazy. And even if and then if you know, if it's true, and she was actually generally surprised and had no idea, I would be, I would personally be so mad that you might end the money husband my to my potential husband and friends that they were trying to sell my engagement without me knowing. Right. And it's like you couldn't put in the time and effort and money yourself that you had to go get the sold. I will you'll see. You'll see, you know, or time effort and money to try and get sold instead of just planning doing planning in doing yourself. It's kind of I don't know because, you know, did they mean it in a nice way? You know, I'm sure they did just their lifelike there. I guess, like when you reach that point of influence or you're just you're sharing everything about your life. Anyway. It's like, well, I guess why not do it for free. Your make make some money off of an either way. She's going on all these vacations and getting some cool stuff. So good for her. I guess. Well, what really sucks is? I don't think they really got a lot for this. So nobody is going to stop to stop, right? Like no. She is. But it's not like so he when he spoke to the Atlantic. He said that they said the trio receive no direct payment for her post. In fact, he said most brands didn't even respond. So this is what I'm saying it sucks like that. The debt came out. They're not even really profiting that right, right? Like this. Great deck came up and nobody bought everyone's every. Frigging out about the deck, but it's not like they were it was crazy thing. They said all the ones that they did work with our companies that she already has a good relationship with flywheel. They did a free private class clothing designer center, some dresses, glam squad. He said the only major new partnership from the proposal came from fly tog refer, which is, I guess how they've been taking pictures, and they also said that he received a hefty discount on the Jade trou-. I don't know how to say this jewelers name, j trod jewelry that he gave her because at each stop, there was like a, a necklace and a key and then diamond key, and it was all everything very planned out. It's that's us too much besides everything going on. That's just too much time and energy in the first place for an engagement like you're just getting gauge one night. You know, you don't need this to be site Agana in general, whether it's sponsored whether it's not sponsored whether she knew, she didn't know what what's going on here. Yes, she's back it off. I mean my God, it's too much way too much way too much. And so she, she's she's very much aware of this. Like she was posing on her Instagram story. Like, I, I have always hold Gabe, I would just wanna go to city hall get married. Let's just do it. Maybe like he said, let's go them Audi's some, let's go and get married into it. But he I guess she was saying it was very thoughtful of him because. He wanted their friends and family to be involved. And she just casually goes from city hall to the Maldives, right? Like to totally. Yeah. Like Moseley elope at them in the Maldives. That's not normal either. That's crazy just to city hall or the Maldives that's just to extremes. So at this point, it's Friday, Friday afternoon ish they've still been posting. They are married. I believe like it's looks from what I could see. They are merit. It's just so funny. Because the stories at this point have been cracking me up because at one point is all right? I'm gonna put my phone away and hang out. And then the next thing she was like, oh, I'm in a long car ride. Here's, here's five songs that being Gabe love or what? And then she posted some or she posted her dress, or coming out there in Paris in some video from the wedding. And then and then she pose photographer real pictures and proposal video to come in the next few hours. Stay tuned. We are taking this time to be present in the moment, I mean, you're not taking any guys haven't taken one second to be in the moment. Your Instagram story is entirely too long. There are way too many dots going on having taken anything in the moment, you've actually just been posting at all even pose like forty thousand dollars. I'm kind of jealous of that. Like I was saying followers, but maybe that had something to do with posting incessantly about their scavenger on. Yeah, that's true. I mean do we have to fake scavenger hunt gain forty thousand dollars? That's crate. It was just it was just so crazy to what, what a crazy adventure of just thinking. Wow. This is what an EPA proposal, this is so much, but even before the. Came out. I was like, wow. This is a lot. Yeah. Adulation. So like this is what you want your engagement to be. That's awesome. But. I, I just don't feel the need to post, every second of it on social media to have the whole thing, filmed or taking pictures of whatever. That's awesome to have it for yourself. But every single second was on scrim if this is what you want good for you, but it's not what I want at all. I actually just want to get engaged in one night. I really don't want to be sent on a scavenger hunt. I don't think you want to be selling Ron. I know it's nice athlete counts and I really liked the fact that she's going all these different places, but also like just give me the ring. Right. And I was thinking, imagine if I was gonna engaged and behind my back without me knowing you and made a deck and soul, my proposal. It's all these people. I would be like what the fuck you was. Specially would be pissed because you get pissed about that already. So you even more if this was your wedding. Obviously, this is the thing. It's not our way of life. It's clearly this girl's way of life. Right like that. She's this is hurt thing. She's a influencers. She posed everything about her life. She works Gook for Christ's sake like it's, you know it all adds. It's very gooky. The whole thing is very gooky. Yeah. So it's just it's just crazy of, and they I just really think they've had they had the whole thing. I this is my this is my thought I would be shocked if she had absolute zero idea that this was happening shocked. I would be shocked as well. And by looking at her reactions on our scrim story, her acting performance just really isn't cutting it for me. And I think that she knew. Yeah, that's my conclusion too well. And then the so this was funny. My friend sent me this guy, he is friends with the girl that wrote the Atlantic article, Jack Wagner. He's the host of the. Yeah, but still podcast and he was just posted on his story about this. And like how crazy? Easy. It is and everything, and that posted pictures of the deck, and the deck is the deck is crazy. 'cause it's like. It's like. They have time Wednesday June nineteenth one pm Hewlett rendezvous with Moore says, grandparents, I g short film next stop post. Like every it's just the whole thing crazy. They're supposed to be a flash mob and a proposal at the loop. But I'm maybe scratch that plan. And then they're, they're still saying that you didn't know about it. And then he wrote, also one thing that exists, but couldn't be tracked down, or put an article is an Email with the script planning out, every tiny detail, including a part where she trips at flywheel why. So like even like your they even did they even coordinate her to post, like a funny video of her tripping and like, like a viral video of her tripping, I. I don't know friend. I don't know. But I saying Lawrence. Wild that this is the world we live in now that like the brand integration into people's accounts and content influencers you most of the time, you don't even know what's happening. You're touching your mind a lot. I didn't wanna tell you, but my knee locked up happened before and I started bugging out it hurt so bad. And then I got up, and then I grab on Mike and I couldn't express that to lift it up. But don't like like slowly just like lift it up right now where you want to be. Yeah. All right. Good. Oh my God. My knees doing it again. Okay. Let's just. Okay. All right. I anyway, say that it's just absolutely crazy that influencers have, I guess, just have this ability and that brand brands brands, are always. Ready to work with influencers like this. So it's like the craziest things it this is the world, the crazy thing to me is that, like, when you take a look back at our parents, our parents, when they were proposing our dads when they were proposing moms. They couldn't get it fuck and sponsored making pitch decks and their moms, or influencers that just wasn't the world. They just got engaged. Why can't we just get engaged? Why can't we just get engaged? I don't I don't understand why we gotta do all the destroying into every aspect of your personal life, just like why can't you separate some? It's really tough because I just some people really don't like to keep things private. Let's so true. Love. Spilling everything. That's just the thing like they really love to share every aspect of their life. And that's how they became to be an influence on the first ad-dusdur. I guess that's why they're getting the followers. So it's this is what she's been doing. This is why people care so much, and there was something interesting in the article to saying, it's influencers are so different from celebrities, because you feel more. You've feel more connected to the influence or because they share so much, and you feel like they're your friend. Right. So it's like you're watching your friend that you've literally never met getting gauge, but you're so happy for them. Yeah. I feel that that's nice. That's like when people send in there like like with my friends and I love that. So when it's like you're on your story being like, oh my God. This is amazing. When in reality, the your entire engagement has been planned second second the entire time. Yeah, it is unfortunate unfortunate turn of events. But she just gonna keep living her life. I know it's just crazy. As summer sizzles to you feel like you're cooking in your clothes. That's a lovely visual, isn't it? Well, that's ounce. Like you Tommy John has the perfect solution. Honestly, this is me all the time. The city cook it in my clothes, when it's so it's so humid. But Tommy John's innovative cool. Cotton underwear for men and women is a summer must have. It's like your own on body air conditioner. 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Now to get twenty percent off your first order. That's Tommy John dot com slash chicks. For twenty percent off Tommy John dot com slash chicks. We are joined by very special guests ship rose from southern charm to second time on the show. Welcome back. Yeah. Last time Jack's came in and we did. Yeah. Double trouble. It was definitely double trouble. And that was a long time ago. I think over year ago, it really was because it was like jacks, I don't think it was. I don't know if I don't even think anything. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody was with him from maybe his people or something. And they, they were like if you guys wanna do podcast, you can talk about whatever you want, and we kinda talked about it for a second. I would be very interesting Jackson's like, like Jack's, I think doesn't well in the meantime, I was convinced to do my own and. I don't know what the hell I got myself into. I just gave myself a lot of work and like I pride myself on having just freedom zoo. And all of a sudden on these techs chains. I have these things to ask people favors. And I'm like, what did I do? So. It is a big commitment enough about me, right? I see your motley Crue the dirt stick. Oh, yeah. I did one with the guy that played Ozzy Osbourne on the show. Actors in the show, the movie, I, I haven't seen it yet. But he's, he's on, Danny. Yeah. But he did a phenomenal job. Yeah. He really was it. Okay. I watched. I know everything about Molly crew. Did you read the book? Yes, I did. And I also read the book, the heroin, diaries. Next one, I have to. So I was in New York for the weekend, and it was kind of say app fucking. And I'm limp into the airport as I always do I crawl out of this town. And I got the heroin diaries by Nikki six and all of a sudden I'm feeling a lot better. Okay. This person's really sick so crazy. I know I have to read that one but yeah, the dirt I've watched at least fifty times. Great movie, just so. So I had him and his wife on my on one. And they're both were in the groundlings in LA and very funny in the comedy. So, yeah. And then the other day, I had this girl that they set me up with. She had a shaved head and lime green eyeliner and she's a bisexual in an open relationship with a transgender. I guess not guy. You can't say that they yes. Yeah. And it was interesting. She I I'll talk to anybody, you're getting crazy on your pod, baby. So. Every which way with it doesn't really have a theme. So find my footing the description and you basically just weird. I'm kinda mad at you. I know I say big Russia. Cannibalize. It. Another time. We do it on this one record just talk about whatever you want, you want to talk about Jonas brothers very Imprimis need to understand a cerebral guy, and he'd understand what the hell who are the Jonas brothers. Why are they getting some of the most beautiful girls in the world? I don't know the remember them from hires ago. I think I'm a little above that age bracket. No, you absolutely are, but not peaks. They picked it like two thousand nine probably which their signature song because I mean with the Hanson brothers, Bob. Okay. And I burn up burning up your three thousand three thousand three that's these are not songs in the public consciousness. I think sorry, Jonas, brother. They premiered on Disney channel. So I'll give that the credit if you weren't watching Disney channel at the time, I don't think that he would watched his girls Montana. Yes. Way really place. Jonas brothers high school musical Hannah Montana all the good stuff. You missed out who's the girl that you guys were talking about that. I was in the movie with and she, she dated the football player and he kinda went crazy Livia. Right. Jonas. Jonas. And we talked about it. We were in this ridiculous movie called reprisal with Bruce, Willis in Cincinnati Randall Emmett, put it together me and Craig, I Randall. Full here. I played an ambulance driver and correct play cop, and it was so funny. My one line was wins. The last time she ate. Wow. Oh, how did you how did you perform that line? I mean, I did it in Spanish. I didn't so much different inflections of it. But so my one stipulation was, I'll do the role if I have a speaking role in Craig doesn't cause. Trying to put my on Craig's neck. So they agreed to it. And so I said my silly line wins last time, she ate, which was gave me a lot of pleasure. But so crag little than I know he hands a shotgun to Bruce, Willis as he runs by which was like, that's pretty cool. The one line running the gun. Well in the middle of the scene, I'm sort of east dropping and Willis turns director and goes have them. Throw me the shotgun. And I was like. Oh, you get to throw a shotgun at REUs Willis while he liked runs into the battle. That is pretty cool one line. I did have my one line invited back. That's so I mean I don't know. I kinda want to throw the gun. Yeah. I think I would rather throw the gun as well. Sorry, I mean, no offense you, we don't wanna hurt your feelings here. Make you feel bad about your role. But anyway, Koba was in this movie. We were friendly, and she told me about this Jonas, brother look. She's gorgeous. I'm like, how did he get you? Yeah. Wow. You're going to fend friend without one. No, no, no. I get it because it's a different is different how much money do they have for spoke. Okay. Networth actually, that is always I always wrong. Somebody course. From our show is so pissed about his network. He goes, that's my AmEx pill per year, right? Oh my God. Joe Joe's NetWorth Joe Jonas, his net worth is eighteen million. Let's see what Nick Jonas. So Nick is definitely more because the Knicks had more success right? Nick is twenty five million dollars. I don't wanna check number are not like they're not flying privately down to the Bahamas. Oh, yes, they are very informed. You'll go broke quick combine money traveled again. Three combined celebrities to get that stuff for free. Maybe couple post on their Instagram and they're down the Bahamas. No type but they were so popular when girl when I was like thirteen right? So they get all these thirteen year old girls to be so obsessed with them. And then you Fash fast forward ten years. They decide to do another album everybody freaks out because everybody's back to thirteen. Again, the girls envision that was like the first thing they ever envisioned themselves with Jonas, brother. And so they grow up and maybe they're famous and beautiful. And that's, that's like a layup for the Jonas brothers. Yeah. France dream has been has been drained. They're on married. Now. It's okay. Fia the girl from became Turner. She seems really cool. Does. She liked chugs one on. How's jewel? Yeah. She just seems like the cool. Dammit. Yeah. Cross off your list is like a dream girl for you. Oh, I just like the show so much. Yeah. So anybody from game of thrones really well? Yeah. It's up through the Queen that evil Queen. Yeah, no way. Yeah. But what did you think of the finale? I liked the whole season. Well, everybody was hating on the whole season. And we were kind of giving it don't worry, it's going to end great. They know what they're doing, and then we absolutely hated the finale, would you. I mean. A better ending for John snow. And I thought that him grilling her was a little hasty like yeah. Yes, she screwed up. But they had a I thought I did not see the stabbing coming because I thought like she was maybe saying a little bit of the right things in that I was gonna get better here. He's gonna do this. Yeah. So I don't know what. And then the dra- I don't know. Yeah, I the only one that he becomes the he doesn't. He's not on the night's watch. He he becomes like a wild out about, like he goes through he goes through all of this throughout the seven seasons. Whatever it is. And then he just goes back to being normal. Died and came back to life doesn't always write better stories, those weird things 'cause I always thought it was fair. If he wanted to I get it like he's always wanted to be a free free guy now he is. But I didn't really like that. There was no. They just did that they he could have been saved. All of his family members are now in power, and none of them could have been like you know what actually you can stay. We wanna stay with Colosio like I'm not as aunt. But I mean, the sex was good, right? And she was into them. Yeah. I mean they didn't really care that they were related honest. Nobody in the show. Cares related. They could've moved how he care low pass. I don't know. It was pretty pretty insane. It really it was. But it's over. Now what what's next on HBO? I mean, there's a big hole to fill there is there. I love, I love berry that show. People talk a lot about barriers. I'm not up to date. I've watched all of the first season. Except see this is my thing, it takes me, a while to get into a show after people are talking about so much, like, what's so great. So you have to watch it. I, I know but at some point like it will reach me, okay. I gotta watch it. But when everyone's telling you to watch it, then I don't watch. I just got into Ray Donovan. And there's been like my radon of his grace, three I'm plowed through. I two seasons. I really liked it. I thought it was like I think he's like Don Draper, basically though with a gun. Yeah. I'm like God. He doesn't barely communicates with anybody. The love them all the chicks loved him. Is that right? Yeah. I watched a few episodes of radon is good. I've never watched the full throw. But I've seen a lot up. So it's let's talk about this season of southern. So I mean, there's not really lock going on in your relationship life, you or your want your go up in flames. I I try every c every before we start filming. I'm like it would be cool, if I had a girlfriend, but I can't force myself to be old friend. I do it. I'm not an actor, I guess. Yeah, I started seeing this girl, Katie currency. And we'd filmed a little bit. And then she got mad at me about this, and that and the other, and I was like, oh my gosh, I, I see some problems and. I was long distance right, Chicago. And, and I was spared. I wanted to spare her the indignity of breaking up on camera or something like that because I just didn't think it was gonna work out. She did either, but she's lovely person. We had a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, but this, this just means you can now. And I do. And I get some hot water just. Last week, obviously there every episode Wednesday nights. So, but last week, you called Madison diabolical, which is pretty pretty diabetes. You guys don't get along at all we talked about that, with Craig when he was, what pisses me off is the misogynistic accusations by girls Austin cheated, I, you know. Yes, a true knowledge that not right. But when you say, okay, let's stay together. You don't get a hall pass like that's trashy unless it's talked about. So I talk about. Yeah. I agree with you. In the fact that we talked about this with Craig to that, when if you were to cheat on somebody, and then you forget each other, and you say, okay, clean slate here. No more cheating. We're not going to be a clean slate. Would you don't just go and cheap? Because the other person cheated, unless there was a mutual understanding, like I'm gonna need a hall pass. But that she tried to say that on swat. Thomas live. I saw that fired in no, no, no, no. Yeah. Well, she tells he started with a lot of confidence was, like, did you tell them, she said? Yeah. Diabolical. She Tricia that she had revenge sex calling it. She's just a she's really tough man. And she she'd rather burn the whole village than surrender that makes sense. And that's a dangerous person to have in my life, and, and she, she's not in my life directly. But tangentially she is. Yeah. And I hate it for them. And so, I have to voice, my opinion and. Yeah. She's just dangerous. And, you know, when we started doing the show, it was about people from the south who were like, you know, well, educated and polite, but maybe snarky, but like it's showed that this side of the south that was what it was about. We, we were trying to break the stereotype of like the crazy rednecks down in the Honey, boo. Boo. And like it's you know, and it frustrates me that we have like an barbarians at the gate, so to speak, and she's to me of our various. Well, what's it like when she says to Austin Shep as a bad influence? I hate that I get that a lot, by the way girlfriends wives, their, their husband boyfriend, couldn't possibly be wild. It's, it's you. Yeah. With my arm, you're not the one making them cheat on their girlfriends. They're the one doing day out drinking, like I'm not like ordering prostitutes. You know, and I mean, we're, we're out having fun and maybe staying up late. But it's not. I don't beg them. You know, I'm not that guys come on Craig's that guy. If you try to go home early. He's like, oh. I'm like see later. Find someone else. Yeah. So that's a cop out. You know. Yeah, what about Austin? I guess I mean matters is the one who said this great shots, but Austin kinda shit on Chelsea a little bit. Oh, I know. I know. Right. We both at fault gossip said them, Austin said them, which sucks Madison center, which sucks, the deal get together. Austin Madison in its negative cloud. Yeah. You know, I'm sure you know, some couples that feed off negativity any rumors and they and like, because maybe they're unhappy. And, and if they try to make talk about other people in a negative way at gives them some sort of redemption in their own head. And you'll see this continues throughout the season. There's a real negativity around their relationship. And I think he's a really bad version of himself, when he's with her because I know that he has a good heart. And I've told him this time and time again. I mean, honestly after he got caught cheating he tweeted out something this last summer. Hey, Pat, a really bad day who wants to get a beer and I was in California, and I called him everything. Okay. He goes, well, I just found Massachusetts on me. I said, oh, that's too bad. Man, I'll be home in a few days, and we'll go get a beer, so two days later, there's Instagram story of he and Madison at their at his parents house and Keila, excuse me, he goes, I just really needed. Someone to be there for me. I was like, not her reason you need someone for, you know, going on, like, yeah. Talk about a FOX in the hen house. Zero sense. Frustrated. But what I don't get with the whole texting thing is, I get, you know, whatever they were talking shit about Chelsea and whatnot were Austin was and, yeah, he shouldn't have been talking shit in the first place. But when you're talking to your significant other about something, you're not supposed to screen dot that. And then send people matter what your bets she was basically, you know, she kept these text messages. Just in case we needed to garner support from other people in the group if something were to happen between her and Austin diabolical. And by the way, that's such a breach of trust. It's insane, right. No definitely is because you always feel like there is a trust. When you send something near significant other, especially in Texas. Expect them we go. Screen shot to somebody thing. He shouldn't have said, the, the things he said. But then I mean, two wrongs don't make a right. Sort of what that's the theme of their relationship. Like, you know. Oh, you did a bad thing. Let me double down on the bad thing and do it again. Snake on your own boyfriend. No, no. Unless you you know unless you're, you're conniving a little bit. Right. And you want to, like, make sure that you're the good guy when, when all, you know, after all the Washington's out what I mean and last week ended with Catherine and Danny kind of get into it, and you seemed a little fed up with Katherine. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the worst version of herself. And we've seen that in season's pass, you know, the kind of thing, and I'm just like, oh, that's just not there's a really sweet person underneath there, his like nice and funny, and almost shy. You know and then she can be like fucking a diva the maximum. I mean I won't get into details, but I mean she's late a lot, like well, she's been like banana on this show a couple times. And look, you know it's just not being unaccountable is, is something that frustrates me. And then, and Danny is like hurt one of her main stays of championing. Her champion can't say. And she owes a lot, I think to their friendship and, and to just sort of flick it away. And they weren't that scene was abbreviated. It was a lot more. It was a lot more volatile. I thought and I was pissed because I just I don't know. It's a long story. But do you think he kinda puts on on, like a cold exterior to kind of protect yourself? You know. Well, I don't think she needs people half way, you know, and, and when they are trying to be, but maybe I don't either. I said that earlier today like maybe I should reach out to her and be like take come bring the kids out to my beach house. We'll go but she certainly doesn't confide in, in very many people. Yeah. And you know, I mean I, I don't see therapist because I have friends that I tell things and run things by, you know, and if you're not bottling, everything up, it can be dangerous. I think right agree and God knows. What she's going through the car-bomb sick to, like, there's this? A lot of stuff is just so much at one time, but she can't afford to break down, you know, she's got to kick. So I tell her that. And everybody's got everybody's watching everything she does. Yeah. You talked about this on your podcast, you and Craig Bahamas last year. I know he's going back this year. You guys didn't really get along while you in the Bahamas terribly. So are you going to go back this year's me off so bad? So, like, obviously he went down there and like made a little nesper himself. And he some Smet some very cool people. And I went down there and met them to and we all had a ball. So I came back, and he was sick. The first thing me and his friends went out on a boat and how to big day Instagram and not and I think he got jealous of light. He like thinking that I'm trying to steal his friends, and like and thought that he like, wait a second. I'm the gatekeeper of the bond the Bahamas guy. Yeah. And he said some things to me the next night and I said some things back and then I threw a plate. Yeah. Face. And I said, some very mean. I was a jealous girlfriend throwing throwing era. He tried to embarrass me. And I and I was like I was like you cannot do that to me. I was like, listen, there's a reason why you on Hon. I sent. We want to know. I was like, there's a reason why I get twice as many requests to be places, and get paid twice as more than you. I said, oh, shit out heeded, the momma, just think about that for a second. Oh man and it. How did you come back around and be friends? Male. Really is. You guys are crazy. Like sometimes arguments that, I watch, or see you guys. And then next couple of days, you're totally fine. Craggy austin. You're fine. And we did it was tents in the morning. And then we were on a boat and we started drinking all eventually, everybody's so much fun. We sit down next to each other. I'm like, look. I don't wanna be mad at you. Like, why are you doing this? You can't say things to me in the spec me not to react. And, and trust me. I won't throw the first punch but I'll throw the last one, and I know how to cut deep that's been covered on the show. I mean I, I don't want to. But I, I, I know what your weaknesses, you know, and I mean, and I'll, I'll employ into people guys hug it out. I hope. Yeah. Yeah. And then it was funny and then, like two days left in the trip, and we were like super overly nice to overly deferential having compliment. Yeah, exactly. It was really funny. It's really kinda sweet. How you going back up to go back? This is special place, the Bahamas. Yeah. For sure I'm going into weeks. I'm excited where are you going Baja? Mar, oh right. Well, that's on. Yeah. Yeah. That's nassau. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because a little more chill. Right. Yeah. There's so much Bob Marley, and I'll just lose all my money. You know, I can't do that. But the trip that's exciting. Yeah go with my boyfriend. He earthier. You like him. Yeah. We like break. He's a good. Let me know him up. Yeah. Yeah. You, you. Protector is a great art. Knock me over with Huck and feather. You. You guys are taking an RV trip on the, the boys are taking a boy's RV tra- wild and Nashville. Yeah. I hope I hope it's not ended. The teaser was like we're gonna drink a million, bud lights like oh my God. I hope you did. We did. We had a lot of fun on that bus. And then there's a fight. I think you'll see tonight, a lot of talk about it tomorrow. Right. What we're not even we're not. We're not this. Episode of art so Whitney throws a hotdog or no credit for a hotdog at Whitney's face. I think we've been throwing a lot of so Craig through this time I was gonna say, we, we, we gained up on Craig, that's what happens with our dynamic guys like every like to gang up on one, and then the switch and then everybody gets their turn and I love having Austin, and in the mix now, because usually it was just me in crag, and now now, there's three of us at Whitney, and it just becomes even more combative, you know siblings. So sometime I have two other siblings, and sometimes it's me and my sister against my brother. Sometimes just me and my brother against my sister's. Sometimes there against me. Everyone get to turn very true. That's very true. I have a follow up question for something that happened this season puppy getting one got one. Yes. One, you have one why Craig why isn't he here? Well, I I'm not getting the motion support fly with me the designation. Right. 'cause I think they're not being very generous with these it's, it's definitely way harder 'cause I mean I don't even I would be so scared to bring my own. I wish everybody listening dog's name is Craig. No funny. Well, you see the scary stories of like dog dies in the overhead your heart, man. You don't want to bring my dog smart dog. He's a good dog. He sleeps in crag. Cragg or sleeping. So that's y'all onion follows up a human crag love. The slave where do you rate your Craig's now? I mean, the dog crank goes Frank. Franken crag, and I built a doggy door which has been a big help. So he can go out. And he's learned that for human Kreiger dot. Greg passed out which, which crag we've been dealing with that a lot. Yeah. Ambiguity of. Craig, so I could punish him without remorse. You know there but then it gets it gets confusing. When I love on them. Mexico. Funny. He's very very. Yeah. I know. And I don't know what I got myself into your parent. Your parents, your mom was like, because she didn't want you to get that. And she's not going to raise this thing, my brother did that she had. He got a dog and my parents haven't because it was a naughty dog. I think Craig is good. Loaner, okay. We're co parents, my friend, Tony. We're not gay. Nice beautiful couple of guys with their dog. Beautiful. That's nickname, beautiful man. You want to hear the story you'll. Oh, I should tell the story of watch, what happens you'll tell it here. First. So I lost my cell phone, one time just blacked out and my friends, g g chatted my friend. This is how long ago was, I was like your call my phone and he called due to cop has your phone. I was like, what? So tell the cop Amir. So I pull in and I walk up to the car is pretty girl, and I was like. Hey. I was still drunk. Oh, and I was like, hey, where's my phone? She's like my partner has we'll call it from yours. So I go, I. And for like a month. I was like, kind of, like, hey, come over where here we're here, and she is I can finally she came over. We were stoned and drunk and sitting on the beach, and she comes over, and she's does cross on the beach. We're like. Shit. And my friend, Tony was actually like in really good shape at the time and he had borrowed. My friends whose beach house, it was closed who was smaller, so any long hair and he comes out of the ocean. And he's got like, you know, he's just in good shape. And, and the cop the girl, cop who I'm courting as your friend, Tony is a beautiful man. So nicknamed stock. It's a great nickname. That's the only way you should refer to him from. Do we do? Trust me. He's like, how's the beautiful man? I mean it worked out for Tony in the end. Yes. Well, no. I ended up taking her to my parents yacht club with my stone her friend and his date, and my stone, her friend kept asking about the evidence room, the station another about the evidence room and then you got in the evidence. That sounds sexual. And then the waiter came by and was in commented on her deltoids. He's like damn grill. You've been working out. I was like, get us another bottle of wine and stop talking about my dates arms. Wow. Those deltoids can't even imagine that a waiter just walking by I'd be like, wow compliment. On your Dell toys before. And I was it was really funny. She dumped me she said, I was doing mature, by the way. That's a sad. Any tells the first girl that's told you. Oh, it's okay. Jonas, brother. But no all the while you're single, they're not. Yeah. Great point. All right. Well, we wanted to your podcast we'll, we'll a little bit too last minute for us. We have, like what's give goes through each other. Circle definitely. 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"Uh hey everybody welcome to on spoiled I Appel sheer. I mean this is a bonus real or Israel that's right. We are talking into one of our favorite directors. Today Are Ryan. Johnson is a brand new movie out called knives out and he's I think such an interesting guy because he often often is talking about his favourite films and we thought that this would be a great guy to talk to about what he would like to see on the list. I feel like his choices are going going to be a really interesting because I feel like when you look at Ryan Johnson online are just his brain that you get to see on film. He's a person I think really feeds his brain and his creativity by watching absorbing thinking inverting. Subverting like he's a man who really knows film so I'm excited to talk about this and you know just to give you a little bit of background on Ryan Johnson. It's an if you don't know yes. He Directed Star Wars. The last Jedi but he also has done some fantastic movies. And we're not gonNA talk about them today with him but if you've never seem brick I urge you go and see this movie. It's so great. Joseph Gordon Levitt. It's a like a noir esque film set in present hasn't day so fantastic looper and brothers bloom and like I said it's all right now leading to his latest film which is nice out which is a has an insane seen kind of Agatha Christie style cast. So it's my two favorite actors. Oh Yahoo Your favorites Michael Shannon and the key stanfield. Oh look at that. Well well Please welcome Ryan Johnson. Okay right an ovarian okay right okay. Let's get rid of all the suspense. Let's start talking about the three films uh-huh using belong to be on the top one hundred list. GimMe one what's your first big well and this is you know I. It's hard to pick three. These are very very arbitrary. These are kind of based on what I was thinking just in in the moment and starting guarding arbitrarily and no order whatsoever Let's start with modern romance. Let's start with the the Brooksville. Modern Romance Which I think is a comedy masterpiece? Ellen you worked for Peter Bogdanovich right and we met at the NICKELODEON gloating wrap party. Okay I have to level with you last night when I called you. I had no idea who you were. I mean I did on on an unconscious level but consciously I I was real screwed up last night. See I just broke up with somebody and and It doesn't matter I do know you. We're going to have a great time. Let's go. He just broke up some some. Don't even mention it. It's in the past nothing to do with my life now. This is the first date I've had honestly I think the list. Just Kinda late on comedies It really is yeah. What's up with that? It's such a bizarre world that we live in that I think comedies are often put off to the side as not being like worthy but yet they're the ones that I think we revisit as a culture so much fact groundhog day is not on. This list is always something that I come. Oh my God yeah. It's absurd. Yeah and modern romance it so it's a movie it's a co- it. I guess you'd classify as a comedy. Supposedly what it's about Jealousy L.. ISSY famous famously. Albert Brooks made this movie. He got a call on his phone rang in the middle of the night and he picked it up. Hello goes Mr Brooks this is this is Stanley Kubrick. Kubrick like called him because Kubrick had watched this film over and over again and was obsessed with. It was like it was like how did you do it. How did you make a movie about show about jealousy that gets to the heart of what this thing is So it you know it's it's I think it's incredible work of art it's a really beautifully confidently. We made movie. It is really funny but in a way that is so off there or not. Show any jokes per se. It's also incredibly sad and and Kind of tragic Albert Brooks is not a good guy. I mean this is this is kind of you I know. Yeah well you know I. I'm a big. I'm a big Fan of this movie and I think it's a movie that often gets lost. Stay in the mix because when people talk about Albert Brooks Films I think defending your life is the one that a lot of people kind of gravitate. Yeah or real life. We're news but he. He's so much the face of broadcast news. Yeah and and is there is. Would you say this is your favorite Albert Brooks film for me. This and lost in America which I think is An and I love I love this. I think they've and your life is fantastic. It's it's to it's great but for me lost in America and this and I went with this just because it's a little weirder if possible. They're both very weird weird movies. They're both have I think maybe I forget what year they were mad. I think Lawson America was just in the eighties. It's got but it has that seventies feel being really weird in terms of its pacing and really just kind of it kind of goes where it goes and It's a strange film. Yeah I went with this one just because I felt like a little more complicated interesting. Yeah and I think it's like a fund example of I feel like I should put air quotes around saying the word romantic comedy but it's about you know a couple of breaking up and breaking up and how they probably should be together at how even at the end there's like an epilogue where they get married but then they get they then they divorced but then they're dating again. This manic version of Philadelphia Story. Where Carey grant is like? I'm going to get my ex-wife back and that's what this is about about and at the end of that movie is like I don't think they should get back together. Well you know. I also feel like it has. There's that movie the break-up that Vince Vaughn was a genetics to movie there's elements it's like people have tried to do these kind of you know in a comedy or in a movie. That's a little bit more comedic. I tried to figure it out. And it's I think it's a hard needle needle to thread and this one you write it. It definitely find his way and I think he's such an interesting filmmaker ultimately too. Because if you get something like real life like real life you know so is is so weird very like in a way like Jules Verne ask like. He saw the future of what we what we were gonNA eventually get to He's really made an hour or a two thousand four at these wherever made only three working two of those invented the digital camera. He's like it'll all be recorded on a chip. They will then be downloaded. It's like Oh my God. It's so crazy I think that I I think she came calling Kubrick and being like you invented stuff for two thousand one just wait. I'm event digital camera. Blow your mind. The people who haven't seen modern romance. I'm kind of curious like we recently did any hall on the show. And like how do you think that Albert Brooks Lover Lazaro character kind of feeds off after Woody Allen character that he created well. It's it's very different because I don't think woody Allen well I don't know I was about to say with Al was never as never let himself. Let's be lonesome That might be untrue. You could you could. I'm sure he's got such a big catalogue entry points moments where you're like. Yeah but what about this without that generally really though where the paints himself as a or at least thinks he's picking painting himself as a generally sympathetic character. Thank at least that's my read of his movies whereas says Albert Brooks is fearless and is never afraid to be just an asshole. I mean In this movie he is an and and and generally like he's he he he drives he pulls humor out of how UN self-aware real life is is the most blatant example of that where he's playing kind of Ego maniacal director version of himself To the point where it's laden joke. Yeah he ends up burning the family's house down at the end just to get a great ending senior but that is like he's a filmmaker there. He's also a filmmaker here in modern roommates and it sort of seems like his films are saying Ito. Filmmakers are prone to being unhealthy fixated Moon Sarah. Yeah I hate to be the one to break McKee feeling and by the way as a bonus. This film has the most realistic depiction of the editing. The editor director relationship should in the history of cinema which with With Jim Brooks playing the director the insecure director of the science fiction movie and And Yeah and and Albert Brooks being said upon editor and Bruno. Kirby is the long suffering assistant. I was GONNA say one thing and I don't know again. I don't know if my research it's not really a world research what I'm saying but I'M GONNA say regardless with Woody Allen and with Albert Brooks. You've both these guys is who are standups. Who are also directors and and you know and I think you could even make that case for couple of other people as well but they have their personality kind of locked in and Albert Brooks his personality? The on stage was always a little bit more of a of an asshole and I feel like that like it's interesting to see you know like I feel like once they kind of adopt that thing. It's easy you kind of shared do what you know. Play that version of yourself Or you know are often yeah. We'll probably breath all right. Give us your second period already. We're ready we're warmed up. Let's do this around let's go Well the second one. It's interesting and this is a movie that I really deeply look. I haven't I've only seen it like twice. So it's not something thing like modern romance or pro in my other. Pick coming up here where I've seen him a million times. But I you know if list is light on comedies it's also very light like on female directors and There's none and Kelly Reich there's literally non so let's get some on the record movie. MEEKS MEEKS Pud off. I think is an absolutely incredible American western and I think it's psychologically dense dense portrait of Of of of this kind of It's a wagon train gone wrong basically. It's kind of very loosely based based on the version of of of the I think it was actually what led to the Donner Party. It was this or it was something similar to that Basically it's this guy who volunteered says. He's tracker in he. Volunteers to lead this wagon. Train of of Pioneers Ryanair's across across the plains and he says he knows a shortcut and it doesn't go and it doesn't go well but that that makes it sound more high concept that is the movie is very the movie is Meditative and it is very process based That's something that record is very good out is kind of digging into process And with a wagon train Kind just seeing how that actually works. What happens when how they get your win win? The wheel brakes how I mean. It's you know it's down to stuff like exactly. The whole thing. ADDS up to me to this kind of nightmarish emotional wallop at the end. That are just I just find incredible and And Michelle Michelle Williams is fantastic and elite part. She's she's she's amazing Donzel. Get the sense. You don't care for me Mistero oh I have. I have no feelings one way or the other Mr Meeks. This guy as named you don't like I don't like where we are so that's what you think it would lost. I say that seems about the right word for lost when I lost. We're just finding out. Wait certainly my hope. So we're GONNA make it. Oh you don't need to patronize me. Mr Meek you don't know much about women Stephen Meek gone I know something I mean. The movie is sort of like the art house. Meditative version of playing Oregon trail sort of talking about the Oregon Trail It is I think interesting too. I think to come back to like I mean it's not A. It's not a traditional Western. Turn but this idea that we as a culture we do go back to this well of like you know Frontier America and I always find that to be really interesting as a place to. Oh you know this movie came out in two thousand ten and I wonder what it is that is so like why we are attracted to like that era like is there. We're just something like so we you know like what can you do there that you really killed. Yeah I mean there is a an. You'll see by my third. Take coming up here. It's been something that's been on my mind a lot recently. It's there is something just There's a romance to it obviously. But then there's it's also lots of opportunity for Kind of revisionist take comet and Yeah True Grit came out the exact same year. Two thousand ten And I think that is absolutely fantastic. a damn damn near perfect movie. It's a much more straightforward romantic western Western Although I think it's got interesting layers built into it is much more claim to the romance of the Old West. In a way that meek's cutoff is intentionally finally subverting and finding new angles on So yeah it's it's something that's just tied to all of our souls as Americans. I think I think it's hi. This notion of the American dream of you go out there and find land and make your own way and the beauty of the natural beauty of it you know and one of the things. As I think makes meek's cutoff feel really modern to me. Is that you win of the undercurrents in there is that there are all these women on this on this trip. And they're trying to say I don't no no about this. How can we speak up? Are we being led astray. And there's this undercurrent of like what happens to society when women's opinions aren't being respected which I have to say when I was thinking about you picking this film I was like. Oh there's a touch of that in the relationship between like Laura Dern Vice Admiral hold o and po in the last Jedi. Yeah yeah very true. I didn't make that connection. But you're you're absolutely right. Yeah yeah definitely. Did you guys see certain women. Right or two thousand sixteen. The Laura was actually. Oh yes I did. Yeah Oh my God I'm so good Incredible it's got the rich the richness of love a short story Cojiba Great Short Story Collection I don't know how she does. She just her movies just have a density and the richness and emotional richness to They feel if you feel like we're characters have lives beyond what's on the screen in a way that very few directors cloture. She's really amazing. I mean what do you think. It's kind of the value and one of the things I think Kelly does really well which is like her relationship with her actors especially with Michelle Williams like drilling down on just having this bond with enact that you work with over and over and over again it kind of building his body of work together. Yeah and I think having just kind of listen to interviews with her. 'cause you know choose director thread. Myra just have tried to kind of learn what I could about her process. It sounds like she. Is You know her process with her actor as much as Building the building up like a comfort level with them is. I mean. It's so organic. It's the exact opposite in many ways of how I work. Just in terms of filmmaking she really starts starts with character and starts with her actors and then vary puts. You know they're they're actually you know I don't know there. She's very much trying to put her actors in the reality of of the moment In a very experiential way. You're you're you're compares. Bears into a short story is actually really the best. Because it's like you really just existing with characters like you are getting you know it's you know it's it really look like we know it. Sounds like the plot is somehow just less important than really wanting to spend time here and just watch them interact and be in their in their our own bodies absolutely. Yeah so yeah she confidence I think above. That's something I think. You always admire the stuff. That's the least like what you do. If if you're if you're a filmmaker and so I tend to make these like high highly polished leg gendre exercises. I'm very focused on structure and narrative and You know I try and get these things working Swiss watches and so the directors I tend to just draw lots of inspiration from those who have kind kind of the confidence to let the movies breath and went the movies kind of you know let the characters kind of just guide you and take you as not that I consider that like you know a higher forum or somebody why it was just so it's just so different. It's like a magic trick to me when I watch when the film's it it's like. I'm a little kid watching something that I don't know how it's done. It's it's magical to move very real sense. Is Noah Siegen your Michelle Williams. I saw tee-shirt. Ah but in talking about that like to like what is it you know as a director that you get from working with an actor over and over over again. Is it a familiarity or is it the idea that you want to push them or like what like when you are just to get a little insight on your process on that in two phrases. I've learned to never say there is a director and anything involving my process possible for me to say those words with us. ARLO sounding like asshole. But let me tell you about director. No no what it was it No very think really really good question whether but it's it's comfort level. It's just It's the same reason that I work with No again and it's been a few movies now that the same reason I like love working with Joe Gordon love it and it's the same reason I work with my same. It's harder Steve Yet. Lend over and over again and at its I feel like if you develop so much of the work between an actor and a director is developing a bond of trust. You know that's kind of foundation away. They have to trust you and you have to you have to trust them back And you you know somebody and he worked with them before that there. It's like the foundation is laid. And that means you can put more time and more work into doing the actual work of focusing on what you're specifically there to do. So I think that's one benefit on it. I'll I'll also say just as an actor like whenever I've worked with people that I've worked with time and time again I always get the better parts because it's like those that trust translates into doing something they just have more trust. I four they know what you can do. And then you get like you get to kind of you know again a term and I'm not gonNA like to use but like you get to really sore open your wings and soar low but you know it's it's yeah. Paul spread his wings. Actually in the air that I yeah with Russia we are. We are shooting. Have high in this guy all all right. So we're continuing continuing with the the western trend here with Your third and final. Pick so talk to us about this so I was about to call an audible and do something totally. That's not allowed though. No it is it is that allow us yes because we we just talked about revisionist westerns. I feel like I have another one. That's different totally different thing. I'm like no you know what there's a movie that Anna Amy's is this allowed. It's allowed man. You can break all the rules okay. I'M GONNA call an audible. I'm GonNa say you know what should be on that list. It's on the list. I'm totally messing up but It is Paul Thomas Anderson Film the Master on the low. It is not on the list. There's not a single Paul Thomas Anderson on the list. Yeah you guys feel feel comfortable talking about the one that you yeah well well hell. Let's talk about the master because the master is is one of half of a handful of movies from the past decade that I would use the word with that I would. I'd say for me as a masterpiece that just means it. I emotionally connected with an attached myself in the movie lives in my head and the day to day way that that is Beyond you know beyond any other movie I guess so. It's not like it's the kind of perfect movie. I don't even know what that would mean but for me. This is a very important film. The master and It's a similar thing that I was describing before where it's You know I think ah especially starting with the work he's done. Starting with there will be blood. There's something and even punch drunk. Love was kind of getting into it before. There's something organic about the way the The Paul like forms his stories and tells them and there's a way that again he creates creates the the the the master is a movie that like it has the complexity of if certain women were was because it was episodic felt like a great collection of short stories resist feels like a great novel and it Really Does capture the complexity the emotional complexity of a novel and I feel like I can revisit it over and over or again and constantly and never find the bottom of it constantly finding new layers to it It's another version of that magic trick. I was talking about before or and The relationship between You know between All the characters between Philip Seymour Hoffman's character and And Freddie these play by walking walking CNN and the way that the complex the way that it's not an easy thing to pin down the complexity of it and the way that I don't know man. This is a movie that I find maybe payments off in a corner because I find it hard to talk about it. It sort of That's how nope complex. The thing is in my head. Are you ready. Say A name Freddie. Quell saying again. I'll say it again. Freddie Quell again. I'll say it one more time just to make sure you know you are fake. Well I thought listener remarks I usually do you. Linger a bus stations for pleasure. No do you muscle spasms awesome. So no reason no do past failures bother you. Well do you pass and his father. Do you past failures bother you know. Do your past failures in life. I agree that there are certain things about a Paul Thomas Anderson movie that that really hit you in an emotional way that it can't really be more like for me like when I first saw punchdrunk love in the theater like the energy of that movie and the anger in the in the confined space. I always remember that scene where he's like beating up the paper. The paper Towel Dispenser Dispenser in the bathroom. And it's like that anger in that rage and there is something about it that so compelling and I think here you're rightly these performances are so so I mean I can take this movie and I feel like you know this is one of definitely one of my my top famous. I always but it I think it also like modern Love kind of gets put a little bit on the side in the Paul Thomson when you're talking about his films because they think they're ones that are are maybe a little bit more flashier which is like people overinflate. There will be blood and inflate this one and need to me to ascend boogie nights to the highest peak for me. The young none of them can be over employed. I mean what I think of what I think about a movie like. The master though is how unrepresented our generation's greatest actors are on this list. You know we love Jimmy. Stewart on the show he talked about Jimmy restored. Any chance we can get. But there's a lot of Jimmy Stewart on this list. There's a lot of cary grant. There's a lot of these people that are the great. But there's no Philip Seymour Hoffman. There's no walking phoenix. There's no amy Adams we need need these people I feel like on this list. Yeah and this is really just like rip I mean especially ver I mean Philip Seymour. Hoffman has so many great performances but this one there is really yeah next level for me I love this performance. Hundred percent of their Joaquin as well. I feel like the two of them and the way that yeah and any atoms her scenes into with a Philip Seymour Hoffman just through the roof. Laura dern fantastic in this remember. This is one of the first things. When I became friends with Laura Meghan last year? This is one of the first thing that I started talking about the process and making this and she talked about how organic was now. How much more they shot than than they used Just because of that process to get to the point where the movie is whether it is It's also a fillmore and this is true all his films where the where the poetry of the stories inseparable from the poetry of the images. It's Been all works together. It's the whole thing is like a I don't know. Yeah it's it's it's for major things apple cinnamon can do because it's a fusion of the complexity of a novel that you can't separate it from the fact that it's also a gorgeous painting that the text of the painting is part of the complexity of the not land. I'm talking silly but anyway and I'm certainly not I may say that that seems to downplay one thing. I will say it like this. I felt like inherent vice came close close to that kind of mixed. But didn't I L- There's things I really love about inherent vice but I feel like this kind of did an amazing job of of that novel kind of combining in both things really well. I mean I'm still a fan of buffet really does really pulls it all together. Different animal yes interesting. Yeah like when you watch a movie like like the master. Does the director part of your brain kinda stay awake in Hungary in say like oh I really wanna work with that person. I really wanted a really want like like I'm imagining you. Being able to get your hands on. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Getting to work with him. Yeah No I. I know when I'm watching it. I I may sit down. I'm trying to do that. And then after a few minutes. I'm just totally absorbed and it's virtually impossible for me to even like a watch it in in think okay. What's he doing with the camera okay? How's he covering us? Okay where's the knowledge I mean it's it's it's a movie. That's very hard for me to disconnect on that level into analyze found that. There's a couple of movies like that for me under the skin. There's another one of them not to sneak another one in but Films where again it the the process is is beyond what I can't. Yeah what the technical aspect speck of it You know I'm almost not interested in analyzing that part Debate because if nothing I could ever you know ray imitate under the skin is cory. Yeah it's kind of amazing because like you when I watched under under the skin for the first time you're seeing things and you're like wait is this real. is she talking to real people is this. Are these actors whereas it's like and it's like it's like after go home you have. I feel like I have more questions but in the moment. You're just kind of absorbing it that that movie is so kind of. I love those movies. That can kind of take you up from the theater. Like you go in not knowing exactly what to expect and speaking of which you have a brand new movie coming out and I and I have done purposely avoided watching trailer seeing anything because I just come here because I want to enjoy the experience of it. I love the posters posters. That's so far what I can say unequivocally and that's all I wanNA know that's all I really want to know because I think that a lot of the Times. It's better better to let the movie kind of unfold in front of you and you're doing something here with knives out that. What was the inspiration behind that? I mean this. Is You know we come from a great mine of detective stories and who done. It's and things like that. Where is that you always wanted to do? Were inspired by. Yeah yeah it. I don't want to give anything wager you now. If you know it's yeah either. Probably the poster consumer magazine My Love Christie and I grew up in her books and and I've always wanted to do a straight up. Who done it and this is that it it you know it it throws them curb curve balls in there but it's it's it's the inspiration perations to get at the heart of her books and even more than that to get at the heart of the movies? I grew up watching based on her books. which were the Peter Ustinov as poor row? Oh Yeah and the Nihil evil under the Sun. the Finney version of Murder on the Orient Express the ones that I watch with my family and it it felt like this is the most fun you can possibly have at the movies. The Big All star cast in the movie has a sense of humor. That's not a flat out comedy. It's still has tension and it just all the things that I love about trying to get that into this movie so when you're building a movie like this just how just how you approach it. When when do you figure out the WHO done it? D- figure out whodunit element at the beginning and then work towards it or like or you figuring it out as you're right like you know when you're because obviously you have to have twist and attorney. How did you come up with the you know without you know to talk about specific of movie but just the idea of like what? What part of that process did you figure that turn? I mean I mean I kind of like. I don't know because one of the dangers of a who done. This is the reason why hitchcock hated. Who'd done it's famously? They hated them is because they're the anti hitchcock movie there a clue gathering as a big buildup to surprise at the end right. It's like can you guess it. Yes or no maybe can they be cans cares And so I really started thinking about this more just from a pure narrative standpoint point of you know I love who done it but I do kind of agree with hitchcock that that's a pitfall of them. How do I build a story that is going to engage audience with a character they care about and really pull them through on kind of emotional story level ride and still have all the stuff? I love about kind of the puzzle solving The puzzle solving element. I tried to appreciate not a game of clue basically Right yeah that was Kinda how I tried to come out. I don't WanNa Lord this over Paul I've seen out twice. Wow WHOA I I have to say like if it was just a who done it then you watch it once. That's who did it. I enjoyed the movie even more the second time knowing. Who did it like that I enjoyed? Yeah Hey inside your brain and being like oh I see everything you did there Ryan Johnson. You bastardly director makes happy. Yeah that's how it's designed to be. It's it's supposed to be a roller coaster ride now that crossword puzzle basically so but with across puzzle layer than there. So second time you watching you can kind of follow along and shake your shake your tiny fist in the air. I will say that also one of the things that just speaking about crossword puzzles. I do have to say thank thank you because you are watching you on twitter brag about your your speed and a crossword puzzle. Finally after many years made me try to approach approach them and I'm getting I'm in. I'm I'm only up to Wednesday's so I'm like I'm trying but I'm I'm new. I'm a two year two years in and I can. I can get up to a Monday to impress I do. I do it on my phone on the New York Times Fun. Yeah it's yeah that's great. That's totally worth it and you can see it's a it's a ground. There's a grammar to it yes handler in it and you do get better at it. You realize how they're using. They use Brian. We know is all. There's there's a handful of the at once you know about about end from Lord of the rings that you're good. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's great. I'm glad that you're in love. It and I will just say one other thing is we. Were we're adding up to one of the things. I one of the things. I always find really impressive about you. Besides the fact that you're fantastic filmmaker and I love your films but you really get up but you give it up up for other filmmakers. Who are making films alongside of you and I and I feel like you really have a willingness to call out you know what you like in in popular culture or talk about film you know your contemporaries and it's it's it seemingly is a rare thing to see so I think a lot of people look backwards grids and I know that you you also you know applaud people from the past but I think you will put on a pedestal that are your contemporaries and I think that's such a cool Thing to do. Wow that's cool you say well I I. It's a great time to be a phone fan right now. Man There's so many amazing voices who are kind of at the peak of their powers right now making make great stuff and so yeah. I don't know if I call them now and I'm just excited. There's a lot of great great shit out there man together Eh. Let's make our own lists. Yeah well that's that's that's an amy and I talking about. We have to get some stuff on here and kind of even the playing field and An open it up a little bit too. You know it's like you don't need as great as a lot of famous directors are. You don't need to have everyone of their films represented you know have A. It's A. It's the salad bar. Let's get in the Ponderosa Salad Bar. Let's get in there. That's a little bit everything we'll get some peaches and get tuna fish salad. Do the whole the whole mix and I I was. I was more excited about this project before that analogy. Look I am with the two of us also just as an aside just looking at I was just looking at Kelly records filmography and I see. She has a new foam. I'm coming out called first cow which I know nothing about and until I do I will assume it is a movie about the cow becoming president cow by the way I mean I'm in. Let's bring that to Pixar right now. Get that out before the election. Like basically yeah a cow and and her husband and like the cow becomes president and first cow. It's like the Wacky bowl who like the first calendar White House. I would like to imagine it. It's about the you know the spouse spouse of the president that that's why I'm saying. Oh that's true. Yeah I guess so. Farmer becomes president. Or maybe it's about when we finally finally this nation and a farmer becomes president because we are so much about the Midwest we take our obsession with mid Western politics to the ultimate okay. I'll stop what you're you're robbing from the is the is the lion. There's nothing in the constitution that says a cow can't be president. I'm I'm not I'm not making. I'm not making the movie. That's a dealbreaker. Obvious aimed at the cow. STA toossion the Constitution. You lodged thread formula and we made the price you know. What the three Amigos on the town in Manhattan I? ooh thank you Ryan Johnson. Those are fantastic. Picks make sure you go check out knives out in theaters right now and all the films that he suggested are are available to stream wherever you get your streaming films I definitely WANNA check out a little bit more of Kelly. Right carts a filmography. I feel like that's a director director that I prepared for on this but I don't really know that much about. I really look forward to learning how to fix a wagon wheel all right. We'll see you next time for a regular unschooled yeah.

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The Frighteners

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The Frighteners

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Show preacher then i saw that he was a preacher and deeply into horror culture and that really got my attention and then i read read his book the frighteners i found it to be a fascinating story about his own journey as a person who loves horror the macab and sort of dark cultural milieu that we do here on monster talk at the same time. He's an ordain minister so i had to talk with them. The writers has some really wonderful chapters about the ways that the the cultural content defecit dissol can be therapeutic when i read this book and certainly when we did the interview the idea that people couldn't differentiate between fact and fiction shen between movies and video games compared to the real world horrors wasn't a driving factor yet. I'm increasingly concerned that we're entering an age where people searching for for an explanation for why people do bad things will turn up easy answers in horror movies video games and the music of our culture. These things are not the problem and not only are they not the problem but for many of us there the tools to help us deal with and cope with the real horrors that surround us all the time so i didn't mean to be topical but as i release episode i accidentally am and that's all i have to say about that so let's just get onto the more doll all today. We're welcoming peter law. Should i say peter laws or reverend peter laws or do you care to stick with the master. No no pillows. We'll do the lord and master peter law today. We welcome peter laws to monster talk. Peters bullet list of adjectives from his website says he's a they state that he's an author journalist speaker church minister a youtube presenter film critic weirdo. I follow him on twitter so i her his matt hundred series concerns a former minister tran sociologist turned crime consultant for cases containing ritual and cult elements and we'll put a link to peter's authors pages in our show notes but today we're here to talk about his two thousand eighteen book the frighteners which is not a weirdly delayed tie into into the peter jackson film but rather a thoughtful and insightful meditation on the various stigma the surround being a fan or enthusiast of horror gore terror in the macabre faire. That's a great way of putting it in excellent so welcome. Peter laws hey. Let's go to question so cepeda. You're a church minnesota aw and also a horror. Yes so does this interest in your your day job. <hes> does that conflict with your the debt interest yet no in my mind in my mind. It makes absolute sense to combine those two things but i definitely recognize that some people. It's just a complete disconnect because they assume that you know if you have to be a christian person or a religious person in general that that means you have to kind of err on the side house lights in happiness goodness all the time and so therefore to be interested in the morbid and macabre just simply wouldn't work in wouldn't make sense but for me. I didn't viewed lifelike that at if the religious religion spirituality like that i think any worldview is supposed to take into account both sides of life and sometimes life is absolutely fantastic and full of lights and several times it is like sickening eli horrible with darkness number type of person who wants to run away from the darkness offices in fact to be honest. It was the darkness that really got me interested in spirituality in the first place. I remember as a young as a young kid i was. I was very anti church growing up. I was in a band at one point coal down creatures of the night at we read psalms about <unk> spit on the bible so so classic stuff but satan is cool so that the typical stuff in <unk> ghodse wasted space in until i i really was not interested in organized religion particularly christianity <unk>. I was not that. I just figured that we're going to try and to me into a soul <unk> stepford wife type thing or stuff for child however it was it was watching horror films films like the exorcist or the things like that right which i know that other christians <hes> had said what blasphemous it shouldn't be allowed to be seen but for me they were the things that kind of rian chanted my so ajay did world view on started making me think laterano be interesting if the world was more epic and it had all of these things that ironically am horror was my doorway into what i'm doing now and so to suggest that therefore they would together just doesn't make sense to me. I think that that combined that is so interesting because first of all we're gonna talk about rian chandler onto this chat but the one of the things that always surprise me growing growing up in the sort of conservative biblical liberalism that i did is how fearful so many people in our congregation were of these elements of demonic music and demonic gansu. I grew up during the satanic panic and and it just didn't seem to coincide inside very well with the scripture because it seemed to me that the bible was saying if you you know follow these things if you invoke christ he'll give you the power to cast the demons out or protect you from evil that if they truly had faith that they shouldn't be afraid of these things because they've already been granted factory. It just seemed it seem problematic to me. <hes> no i i absolutely agree and and i i kinda lease countered the amount of christians that meet fellow christians who who who are way more scared of life than i am. <hes> i mean i a couple of weeks ago. I interviewed a satanist <unk> runs the sickness chile the temple of the satanic temple. Which is the non theistic yeah right interest that she grieves seventy. Pretty interesting guy has some very i think reasonable things to say about religion and things like that but if i if i mention that my so my christian friends they're like like what are you doing putting yourself at risk whereas i i just see it as fellow human beings trying to kind of figure out what the heck is. This planet is all all about in the universe and so i always interested in other people's opinions so yeah i i think it all depends on your worldview a wolf view that has a very well you could call it an evangelical wolsey which splits the world into sacred and secular is naturally going to be scared of those things that are not in the religious campus campus. Even if it's hey man i remember he was seen as something dole way into satanic wolves and stuff however if you have i think i'm a biblical worldview wish wish to see all of life is this bungalow of spiritual spirituality on science at every everything's just all mixed up together gather than you're quite happy to walk through fields that maybe others wouldn't walk through because it's all about exploration in kind of judging people so yeah. I don't have a problem with it but i had i have had christians who have gone radio shows for example to be interviewed by them and i found out that they have asked for special prayer. Eh is i was dead. Is they see that. I have got some still demon with me because i'm because i like them will they probably they see see it. As being you should be get behind me. Satan get the next to me and let's have a cup of tea and discuss this. Gotta chambers a lot of from the the problems that may be christians can have might be to do with me liking horror but i'm also a pretty kind of a liberal christians well in so those things. I think what even could be even worse. I don't have a problem with people who had gave for example that would <hes> that would would send along bells to too many of my fellow fellow christians so yeah. It's a it's not easy wrote to to walk but it's an interesting one here. I grew up in australia and <hes> you. You can't tell and even though australia's very sick i mean they certainly do have bible belt lack areas in queensland so there are certainly i mean i think australia would consider lots of australians would consider the country to be christian. Marseille bought even still i i think that the most potted secular and i put may grow secular but it was this negativity around things like we g bullets on an ghosts and <hes> psychics kind of thing that you just didn't traffic with are having a fascination with we g bullets when all kid that would just lots of friends who are very anti bat and their parents were sitting very anti data even though they went religious so you just have since since that these things are bad you don't <unk> traffic them. Even if you went religious i know what you mean. I think part of it has to do with them. At personalities elicit authorites really found helpful colon tachia his christian all who wrote a book ages ago which is called hold the magic eight ball test and that was about kinda christiane supports of halloween and he was very not many people would christian would support halloween but he did an i also do. You and i remember in his book. He talked about people having the spooky gene which i really liked this phrase and it was just simply that some people have this genius something in them not simply gets excited by mystery and excited by spooky scariness and other people completely. Don't so for us it here and we you say you know we love monsters. We love scary things. There are some people look at us. Just think i i do not understand the attraction not it's completely beyond me simply because they don't have that personality types but sadly they might interpret that as there was something wrong with us because we like these things. I don't think that's the case or we we ate at the very least well dangerous. I actually that was the way i wanted to kick. His questioning off was talking about the sort of transgressive ends aggressive in taboo nature of some of this kind of fiction these properties these sort of intellectual properties but at the same time you know we're all looking for our tribe tribe and for in some sense like you. Can you know if you're lucky you can find your community somewhere. For some people it's church for some people they find it at school cliques of friends we we love to categorize the horror fans you know sometimes people like really lean into it and signal and they put tattoos on they were horror shirts and then there's people like me who i love this stuff but if you just saw me at the mall you might not know it right. I mean <hes> carrying around. You'll back my mind through bag weeks patches. It's interesting. You stayed up late because i'm similar that i mean i'm very open about my love of of horrors things but i'm not i'm not the type of a guy who will stay around that has a massive t shirt that has the punks from halloween or something on it however i will very happily where where a tea shift that has maybe like silver shamrock which is the the company that makes the scary masks from halloween three the other halloween <hes> fans would spot 'cause they like me but the rest of the world wouldn't and that's not about being ashamed of it. It's just yeah when you take it into the next level. That's like like a horror dog whistle. That's nice rooting out. The true funds something to be said to be too too. Who i mean you can way brains and something screams hugo boss. Oh nacchio whatever we'll understated about it. That's cool companion although when i was a teenager do i remember i did buy identity remembered britain there was there was a period wig by judy cool t shirts that had like latex access hanging out at the front at like three dimensional axes with blood spreading all over the place and i did buy one of those in democrat once i i think i was about fifteen in a fourteen and i'd come out of seeing poltergeist to do one of the pulse films and i ran into the street and fellow the ground screaming for ten never ahead of those tastes elderly couple came up to me and i couldn't say okay so terrible so it didn't do it. Isn't it an interesting fashion accent. The transgressive transgressive nature of this kind of horror that seems to be one of the themes you're kind of looking at is why why do people find this problematic and why do some people liked like that. It's problematic. You know why why does it. Does it become part of their. You know i'm a little bit different from you guys. You know identity yeah. Yeah i mean i think i think a lotta created people drawn to this sort of thing. I'm i'm you guys <hes> you may will be creative people and so you sound like you answer for you. If you see us a blank page you want threatened by the at least i when i see a blank page. I'm not threatened by that. I'm actually interested to see the possibilities ability. What could go on a page so if i'm living in a community like when i was growing up <hes> and i have one set of people who are saying. Let's say christian saint note. The world is like this and it's completely knocked off and this is the this is dependent which you must be <hes> that to be just cut off excitement been from life because i want the page to be big on the page to have possibility and say what i found is <hes> when i was walking home from school and somebody would say eight. That's the house on the corner. Did you know that that's haunted it. Just it just made by life way more energetic and more interesting <hes> it even even if it's even if like holdings didn't exist just the chance that they existed <hes> old just the excitement of the sorts of stories great so yes so i'm guessing because i'm creative. I wanna look at a spooky house and say i'm with that's where the old lady comes back and wales at night that it just makes my life more interesting some people they just they want that page to be locked down on too predictable so you're unenthusiastic hora inside of cobb and i'm curious about your influences. What what are some of your influences interests influences <unk>. Thanks so growing up. I i was predictably. I was very into stephen. King is as a kid on tom. I also started reading things like in an interview with the vampire die h._p. Lovecraft and i used to read those things <hes>. I used to make sure would read those at nighttime with a light soften. I'd sit assaulted on my window sale anthem so i would read it by the light. The lambda was outside the streetlamp because it would make it more spooky and so i was i was i was reading interested in all sorts of things i think it's still by tales did a good good good job of enchanting my will but also true life tales of the paranormal or alien saw anything fourteen i at that was my favorite section of the library and i would go down there because again. I potentially feel claustrophobic in my hometown. Thinking oh is this old there is to live like it but is is that more and the and the unexplained opened up a whole new universe which wasn't necessarily another country that i may be out moved to new york ochoa day and i'll be able to live in an interesting life. It was like a wet if such a thing is say ghosts that could happen in my town should are making so it kinda brought the whole world to me so yeah i think i was influenced by some of the classics and films as well. You know i am a big heart film or a big film fan but i love. I love horror films down so all of that stuff in informed my interest i think what are they interesting. I hate to call it a dichotomy but it sort of is in this rouge phantom is the horror versus true crime and it seems like both have really become super popular in the past few years <hes> but as you point out in your book you can really enjoy horror and at the same time like really abhor violence but why does that distinction matter. Do you think what the the distinction that you like real violence. No i guess the decision between horrid true crime. I would hope that that no a love real violence something weird about that me. I mean like in my house. I love horror. My wife was hard but she loves true crime and i'm always like unsettled a true crime because it's true crime that that doesn't mean i haven't read extensively but it's like i feel a lot of empathy for the victims and i feel a personal distaste for rigby enthusiastic about the killers yeah i i agree. I see where you're coming from. Because i mean my book the frightening does explore also two different things the munsters <unk> whatever and there is a section on trade crime serial killing why people fascinated by that and particularly looking at the motorable <hes> industry which i hadn't quite appreciated how big this was <hes> but again other ability yeah. It's basically a so growing makia aqua <hes> people who are interested in this stuff will buy trinkets and souvenirs from the world's most savage killers so for example i had had i had a lock of charles manson's in my hand but a stranded that each cost forty two pounds to buy and you can put it in a violent put it around your neck <unk> shopping in britain place called yolk but you can buy hoffy burrito from charles manson for by eight hundred dollars you can in bucks you can you can buy a killer cold. M commerce named <unk> b._t. K. by bind torture kill he's a horrible guy and <hes> people go to his crime scenes dig up the soil and put that into bags and people will buy those bags so that they can have something clicks yes if all of that stuff writing. That chapter was almost like kind of a step beyond my comfort zone because that's that's real victims and an unreal people die however i was. I didn't want to write health. People who find this stuff interesting as as freaks will that there's something wrong with because i do think there's some quite complex psychology going on in why we are drawn to to people who a savage the savage murders. I think it's quite an interesting thing we do at actually it's interesting what we do with kill is in our society that you look at the <hes> look at the news you know we would normally talk about things in supernatural tim donald trump what brexit or whatever it's purely talked about in political terms however wave you get aridi savage killer which breaks all moral boundaries <hes> you start to see supernatural language tripping into the discussion and so people use terms like evil of a to use tim's like monster or they start to describe no longer described the killer by that name and you stuck give them you know monica's like the ripa or the werewolf of where the vampire of sacramento and it's. I think it's because these people we'll discuss <unk> beyond what can handle and we think oh crap. There's guys are human beings that pod pod tried. We can't cope with this. Let's <unk> make them into monsters and when we got the divide and eating pot about his taboo like we don't want to mention attendance <unk>. I think it could be but i also think it's it's. It's good for us like you to dehumanize them because if we if we turn them into almost like this fictional character then they they cease to become the guy next door at separating selves from them yeah yeah because i i mean when you think about it. If you want your neighborhood on who the your neighbor could potentially could be the type of person that doesn't that doesn't do look for social cohesion. There was a stabbing at the house next door. He's eager to stabbings actually so yeah yeah summit. What maybe maybe you've got it right next to you then but i think sarah but you know if we were living in a world where we thought all of laugh fellow humans were potentially going to do this. It's too much to cope with simply tournaments. We tenant mythical monsters. All we tend him into celebrities and celebrities celebrities role said not like human beings. You know let's say outta <unk>. Somebody estimated the day. Would you like to be william shatner right adelaide he he gave me the option. I said if you ever could identify coke with <unk>. Leading williams shot like a bit of thought of believe shot since as a little kid did <unk> identify could handle meeting him as a real person so celebrities can be almost like unreal mythical beings to us and and in a kills can be mythical beings as monsters and sometimes thanks to become the same thing a celebrity months. It does give you a celebrity so we'll see well it gives you a layer of abstraction is much more simple view to see them as a monster than try to understand the complexities much more muscle at actually what's interesting about the people who really institute crime particularly women who are drawn an attracted to kill his. I mean you know to be of of many people. It's like what are you doing but actually for them. There is some pretty interesting complex things going on in psychology and a lot of women who actually stopped coming out with some of these savage murderers in prison <hes> they've had a lot of abuse in the past men and they finally get it up to you. You'd have a relationship with a very dangerous mind but they are in total control. You know they they they did have to consummate the relationship that could call it off at any time and some of the interviews with some of these women have shown that they actually find that quite a rare opportunity for them to have a sense of power so anyways. It's it's much more complex than just you like. Watching people get killed absolutely yeah a lot more to it. Yeah you talked about <hes> murderer billion breath souvenirs and how that it actually goes back to the sort of cultural morbid fascination which actually means all the way back into the history of collecting relics from martyrs and saints yeah yeah it's. It's a really old thing. It's not some new we just started this in nineteen thirty seven or anything so your monthly the shirt i i can't remember the name of it but it says something maybe on net flicks a year ago and it was a was a scientist and he was going around trying to collect memorabilia from celebrities birdie's <unk> famous historical people and into d._n._a. Testing on the things that he'd purchased to say if they were authentic or not and i think-i inky founder on an was elvis toenail or something and looking through something from hitler and ended up finding a i think a some some hey from eva braun instead and and found out that she was actually from her and found out that she had some jewish background and <hes> you know in genetics <hes> but that was interesting shona jonathan. I can't remember the name of it may be. Look it up and put it in the shark. Editor's note i note that show is called dead famous d._n._a. We're going to say that he took all these like bits of bulbs so people together at a laboratory created this yuba the celebrity monster body parts thing. There's a show that hasn't been done that. That's what we're talking about. People people who seek this out but there's another interesting aspect of this <hes> there's a psychologist named bruce hood who has done these interesting experiments where he asked people if they would be willing to put put on a sweater that was worn by a serial killer in mo most people. Won't you know because it's like it's got some sort of invisible psychological taints to it. Yeah it's really interesting <unk> and you see this just celebrities in general but also with serial killers motors because us you know like you can if i was to say to you hey guess what guys i've just got this glass that justin bieber whoever you're into the moment <hes> the queen of england has just drunk out of his glass. Is anyone wanna look at it. <hes> so people got yet. Some people will even pay a great deal of money to not that glass which is ridiculous you know because it's just a glass but they feel like the physical contact has is almost like so taken on magical properties and said that four will own this glass and it similarly with them you know if you have a like a nazi helmet or oh yeah like a a jump up from so ted bundy some people just wouldn't you wouldn't put that on my wife's interesting she she sees things quite logically. She's she's a lawyer and she just will save the world fairly kind of logical fashion and a little while <music> ago there was a a a house became available in london and <hes> it was wearing a famous serial killer dennis nielsen and killed most most if not all of his victims because of this you know the the price of this place was reading really low <hes> on we've been talking about whether or not we would have and she said i said no way like <hes> again. My creative mind will create connections and will turn into a kind of a horrible place to live where she was like yep but it's like one hundred grand cheaper who cares s. A. little brains i can see both sides of the argument i think yet will and sometimes you end the straightforwardness of just looking at going blight lied to by the war well if you if you've a mind that you know is inclined to be to be creeped out at at night for example i mean i know there are more rational people than me but i know my circle of friends. You know hyper rational but that doesn't doesn't mean that it to a._m. If i go up the stairs in the basement that incredibly effective sort of effect of the stairs bouncing the sound on bouncing off so it sounds like someone's coming. That's still creeps me out. I know there's nobody there. It takes a serious active will slowly go up the stairs at normal speed. If it's late tonight and i'm the only one awake you know i don't you know there's nothing rational about it. It's just a very human thing to sort of. That sounds like someone's behind me. I gotta how in somebody's interesting example i think because in some ways even if you're a pure rationalist <hes> <hes> you can understand why some people may not want to put themselves in those situations because let's say you do look says one night and you turn around and you're by yourself do indeed see figure in the cohen pointing whatever you're going to be thrown into avert tricky situation because you're either going to be. Oh maybe there is such such a thing as go soft rural quite reasonably. You might be thinking a crop. I'm going insane einstein healy sedation <unk>. Neither those things that particularly welcomes so i can understand why people might wanna they might not think in those terms but it would be scary in russia in russia reasons so he'd go as skeptics <hes> we would often think what's behind this what what's actually going on and i've had i've had some experiences like that written about in the pasta where i saw an angel in a cemetery quite late at night and it it turned out that it was just a <hes> tomb of some lights from a streetlamp that was i was just hitting it at the wrong angle which made it look for <hes> i was saying at angel that was pointing at me and knocked the heavens. Were opening getting up everything and so yeah i think i think a lot of skeptics would think is not necessarily a is this a real angel <hes> or to go ooh bottom of this. I want to solve this barbie. I've written a poem right now on the spot. You're ready even a man who's purify art and has read the god delusion can run in fear from ghostly steps when trick audio illusions all right over sorry actually looking for evidence and stuff is absolutely sensible sensible <unk> a like mind thinks in similar ways and so i will if i'm presented with something that is supposedly supernatural even though even though i'm a religious person. I don't like that word but you know i live my life in a kind of trying to emulate jesus christ experts to put it that way his character <unk> i still have credibility cynicism and i'm still an completely open to the possibility that there simply is no such thing as god on the supernatural exists. It doesn't exist at all so that could be wrong. Open to that being a possibility but it means that you know so i can be with the people in a kind of chips scenario and they start telling stories tales of miracles for example a my mind is doing the same thing that you would do with angel. It's like high on the minute you there komo <unk>. There's a raft of rational explanations for these miracles that you're describing <hes> and the the thing in me is like i'm hoping off. Tell me a story that i can't explain away so i'm hoping i'm hoping to find that but often the there's an expert i find explanation and down yet but but yeah but for some people they'll just go straight to figure in the corner is a ghost orient and just accept that a new and retell that story and i think we would skip this to you can come up with possible explanations. That doesn't necessarily mean that you've solved the mistrial. You know exactly exactly what happened. You could really just look for the natural explanations warns doll. This episode of monster talks brought to you by audible. 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Do that sort of thing but i don't. I don't run a church myself that the moment i have had offers a churches. Ask me but i i just really love exploring these weird and wonderful topics and having the opportunity to write about them is exciting so at least for the moment <hes> yeah. I'm kinda out in the wild like well. You got your your your your online flock. I mean obviously as the child. I mean you've got. You've got youtube channel. You obviously you're being a lot of your content that i've looked at is is really it's not not really preachy but it's embracing these topics but with a christian angle to it you know i'm always wary of. I'm most worried about people. Will you know feeling preached that because that's not why personality and i think that's because up until sake twenty one i was i was very anti christian very against christians <hes> and and so i used to just think you're just interested in me as a kind of spiritual scout didn't care about b._m._i. Worldview mutual turn the into something and then move onto the next guy and so i was very resistant to that an and therefore now i i'm sor- cautious sometimes overcautious 'and will go will this is what i think but you have to battle <unk>. Some people just say just just chill out. You don't feel preached asked so. I'm always worried that if you if there's a christians were dislike stereotypical baggage that you're out to change people and i think that's because people have this spiritual secular divide thing going on like several somebody from the spiritual camp is now talking to someone from the secular camp. Let's i'd say you guys and i need to try and convince you to move to my side <noise> whereas i'm much more interested in in. What's what's. I don't see your side. Hi decide. I just feel like we're all sounds. You should link hands and sing all in this together us <hes> and and it's all exploration in every aspect all other religions not no religion at all has something to teach us soon. I think he'd get a certain amount of that too on the other side so if you're an atheist or if you're a skeptic a lot of people will immediately <hes> does dismiss you as being negative in thank all you're going to walk me or you're going to proselytize in your own way. Gonna patry my beliefs and and be around you this conversation's. We're not following got questions at all which is cool. We're actually this much like. We're sitting in a coffee shop and but i do have a tangent drinking a cup of coffee. I am too but i do have tanzer. This is an interesting opportunity for us because we don't we don't have a lot of theologically trained clergy or anything on the show in general but since it's you already your book covers this topic of ghosts and we talk about ghosts in fits right in you you covered ghosts and one of your chances and goes hunting in <hes> i'm karen and i are very much into scientific skepticism as a methodology <unk> coaching these topics but how does the clergy view this rising interest in ghosts have have you looked at any cross-denominational takes on this i mean do they view them as demonic or as some sort of herod natural thing or what what's going on with that is as this interest rises in culture. How does the church treated or how churches treat it yet. It's interesting question and nothing could write to suggest that there are differences denomination -ly with this because some denominations of also like streams of christianity is just simply more open to this so <hes> you get your <hes> <hes> say catholics for example who in their will view they have the sense of potentially having a kind of middle ground between heaven inhale poggi tree and this is already built in idea in their world view that you know the dead kinda hang around in one way or another and so you can find in some catholic like writings. That's ghosts are a potential fine and up potentially a pot about alive in that we can be connected with people able for example they pray they pray to the data for the dead and that's that's a that's an aspect of that faith however if he hop over to to the protestant side of things that's when things get a little bit more nature in my opinion so you get the the strict evangelical who will just say there is absolutely no way that that can be a connection between us and the world of the dead and therefore it's demonic and and so any anybody who says all i think i've got a ghost in my house. Now in the world would be saying oh that could be potentially benign <music> spirit helping you out. It would be like oh my goodness. You haunted later covering type way. Get demon out of that that to me is is it's a shame and a bit naive because it's it's kind of ignoring a biblical precedent which wet got in the bible in follow the the bible you want to pay attention to this kind of sometimes blows the light between life and death there are <hes> this is a bit wet king saul consults the endel in <hes> in the old testament and actually consults the the spirit of samuel and you know the consulting insult someone from the dead in the coached appears some evangelical say will clearly that was a demon but the the text doesn't say that this bit with them you know jesus on the mount of transfiguration and he's hanging out with them like moses and elijah and at most elijah i think <hes> in the bible it was kind of taken up into heaven so we don't really know have a happy died or if he lived perpetually or whatever is the different theories of the bible but moses loses definitely died <unk> talks about being buried and yet there is <hes> on earth somehow hanging out with jesus and so even then there's this precedent for that being himself a gray thin place between life and death so to me. I mean don't get me wrong. I've said i'm cynical as well so i'm. I'm very cynical about ghosts too so people tell me go story. I'm often going on my what that sounds like a kind of hip negotiate hallucination you what you're seeing at the end of your bed when you falling asleep only come on so many times. It's i think it can be explained but bucks there occasions poltergeist dyson other things like that which you think that's interesting but some of the denominations in britain are more open to anglicans <unk> a little did more open <hes> he the kind of church of england the baptist church. I'm potholes which by the way is nothing like the southern baptists two completely different thing. I think we've been ordaining women one hundred years where different <hes> some of the bucks in america goto hates jazz is horrible but yeah it's but the fact is right. There is just there's an interest in this stuff i can sit with. I can sit with some six. Somebody outside of the <unk> sit in apparently total group when i was when i was a minister and we will sit chatting and i could tell them about oh what do interesting coma south the bible away leading leading the all right fair enough and then somebody in the group says hey somebody says that house down the road is haunted and fight faces lite-up and go really really tell me more somebody will say a my word look that sniffing descent of demons and they'd been drawn to the doc. I like no the human beings on jenny trying to figure out what's going on and that is of interest to the excites them why stumpel not got so many people left christianity actually because they feel they can't be a person who's interested in the paranormal amongst is because that's not allowed out and that's just that's just shouldn't be the case you can. That's <hes> on both sides of that extreme. I know people who've left the church. They want to be christian but they've left because theologically they have problems with the way that their careers in evolutionary biology for example have acted with the church and they want to be part of the group they want to be part of the flock and they maintain their faith but they have a real hard time reconciling finding a denomination that but allows them to do their career in right yeah yeah it just seems to me like in many ways religions intrinsically supernatural when you talk about modern concepts like the holy ghost and eric listen xs <unk> <hes> stories in the bible so it is just strange. Yeah i guess people religion comes down to pesto interpretations yeah. You're right to point that out cowardly. It's to think of any place in the world that would be interested in the supernatural. You'd think you'll be religious. People ask well. Some of them want to shut this this sort of thing down. I think it's because they have some of them. Have this view of you know the the world is corrupt and trying to take people away from that tried which i don't think it very biblical way of looking at the will either either jesus was the great mingla was the great include a would be connecting with people. You know the citizens of the prestige of tax collectors. That's not the image image. I see in some of the churches today and yeah i think you're dead right blake that many people sadly i think they leave christianity aleve <unk> take the christianity because <hes> they think that rejecting christianity but what probably doing is rejecting particular flavor of christianity tasty and they think that's the only one that's out there so they think look. I'm initiative eitan. Accept christianity is going to be a creationism thing but but for me you can be both you can be a theistic evolutionist or you can believe good beaver believe in evolution just be open to the potential of guiding hiding principle behind that but the way it's talked about in some churches. It's like you got to believe in six days. Literal creation or your pa tribe snapped surprised people get a leave because yeah but i mean there's lots of christians who believe it is clear this up because at living in the south the united states it's very very very very common to run into literal biblical literalist but <hes> catholicism general has accepted evolution for a long long time and so to think that you can't be a christian without really believing everything's exactly true has always been problematic <unk> matic for me. I think it sensible. We saw this wow. We've taken some interesting yeah. We haven't got the question still so what yes five hundred fifty one to to go at this point. Let me combine a couple of questions into one part of what you talk about in the book is what we call dr tourism which is going to vampire sights or ghost themed sides or serial killer tours that sort and there's also ties into what we call legend tripping where you wanna go to these places where something allegedly happened and we've talked about it in terms of trying to recapture or gives them sort of numerous experience or who marie enchantment. How do you see that. I mean how how do you treat that in the book in your in in your journey i treat that in a sense that i think come i think the human brain craves inflammation a novelty and so you know it was talking here now but if if like a a pink piglets run through through <unk> real right now and started talking to us we would out brain what immediately begun yet forget. This podcast doesn't take in my room. I would be thinking jodi from the evansville horse what eh unless of course you keep pigs in its natural. Thank <unk> brain will naturally look for the novel things and also new information and to me the topics that are about the morbid and macabre monsters they they offer novel will and to us because most of us are not living in scenarios in which a death in mudder in monsters pot of our everyday life. I mean some people they off aw for example like speaking to a woman who looked horror and then she went to become a soldier and then she still real horror on <unk> in real life and then she came back. She said you know i feel the need to be involved in harare anymore. Not everyone response to that but she did but for most of us went not at risk of being being moved every day and when not crushing 'cause and seeing people dying everyday devil if we drive car along and we spoke a car crash <hes> <hes> a brain is gonna go that's novel and so we look and i will also say i think from relationship perspective allies perspective active which would be holy crap. That guy crashed. You need to quickly workout what he did. She did wrong so that we do do the same thing and that to me is completely natural. <hes> saturday people will beat themselves up about this. Think of there's something wrong with me. I'm kind of getting off on this. That might be just the maybe some sort of thrill something. That's that's novel but i think that's a very normal thing to do. I certainly think that that we could build a society in which we're not drawn to. This stuff is is crazy in my mind <unk> to attempt to create a society in which everything is nice so we don't have this sort of mobile tourism. Will oh horror films or let's face it. I mean it's not just the scariest of it's you know he wants murder. She wrote columba <unk> cozy dramas. This still copes involved west still drawn to this different. I think it's completely natural and in the book is as well. I talk about how it's it's especially natural for us because we are living in a societies societies in which we are high digging medicalising death and so that's being hidden copes real corpses a. vanishing from we'll have vanished from our everyday life and so naturally we're going to be curious and so when you the the decline in real life death in front of us you actually ironically see the ascent of its image in the media and in film on news dogs. I think that's one of the reasons why sondhi said a popular <hes> because it's literally saying we ignore this topic of death and let's bring back into a home they'll come back search in chapter eight of your book so did time stories you talk about current psychological theories that show how horror and the macabre can help people experienced real trauma to to to deal with that and to process it so can we talk about that a little bit in some of the ways that horror can be therapeutic. Absolutely i think <unk> is definitely there. It's therapeutic for me. <hes> because us well <unk>. I'll give a background to the theory. I'm a good example would be this in the weeks and the months after nine eleven two thousand and one parents and teachers started to observe children doing what was really quite disturbing action. Stay relatives and friends had been killed within the in in the twin towers particularly but these kids who'd lost loved ones were were observed like drawing being graphic pictures of birding buildings with crayons. They were even building lego aeroplanes and smashing and repeatedly in the lego towels bill. Now parents were looking at this civil horrified. L. will care with thinking what the heck's wrong with. These kids don't do that. Don't repeat it. We're doing it repetitively over and over ever again in often without any emotion when they did win. Crying it went laughing on the worry was dead. Trivialized terrible event all was finding it kind of entertaining and some of the parents will care is thought to suggest that the kids stop doing <unk> activity because clearly sick and wrong in in their minds however some child psychologists stepped in and said do not do that you these these kids on not trivializing the terror attacks they are actually trying to deal with the fees in a way that they can handle in control and so what can happen is if you go through a scenario like the twin tousled any tragedy that you might experience you'll life is thrown into chaos and it's terrifying moment for you with wolf is simply an unpredictable place. What in your options are what i let's act as if that didn't happen. That's not really an option for most people most thinking people engaged with trauma and you need to do it in a way you can handle and said these kids were engaging with this by turning it into a predictable game or or predictable way of being in a controllable mastering. It is a case in the book. I talk about where a little kid was attacked by a panther something at a pet shop that was pretty wild l. dumb the way he kinda split this after you've got bitten by this tactic was in therapy he would recreate that moment he would pretend to be the panther and the anyone attack the therapist and people like go crazy. What's wrong with this kid. This is not healthy theory but this go now. I need someone to understand what it's like to be attacked by panther and to do it over and over again and eventually these kids start to to to get some sort of release because they took the trauma and they put into ways that could handle and i think that's what we do is society sided with with with true crime horrid thrillers and everything that we're taking that which scares us and putting it into patents. That's what go sean right now. It's like generic patents that we can recognize. The car breaks down in front of the house. It's rating that go in <unk>. Let's people get attacked. One person survives survives. It's it's therapeutic because it's helping still have very real fears of death and that is certainly what i do that certainly one of the reasons i am drawn onto the macabre. That's why i write novels that go below two killing a death. It's because it helps me with my fears. Puts them into kind of my control. Send me an interesting period does make a lot of sense nice that you know what you what you just said reminds me. You've got this series called matt hunter. Which you've you've written yes. It's about a former minister. Turns sociologist turn crime consultant. I haven't read them but they sound really interesting. <hes> do you have more in that. Series is coming out yeah. I'm currently writing the fourth one of those. That's called possess explodes demonic possession dumb the that comes out early next year. Some just just finishing that offset is four in the series but then yet the main character is <hes> <hes> i mean this. This published in britain is published in germany. Jimmy <unk>. Yes not excelled published by not shops that is what is it called matt jager in germany. They throw some big. He's an isolationist the characters atheist and he's easing. He's uber skeptical about everything. I'm sorry for him. He has he used to be a judge minnesota. The first book why he is turned off christianity unquiet understandably and so he is spending his time kinda trying to poke a christian faith but also he just happened to have all of this knowledge of christianity religion and theology and so if ever a body turns that has we'd so religious symbols carved into it or whatever he gets cold into help but he is this actually this is what we you talked about before when i said sometimes so paranoid about people thinking i'm trying to convert them and so when i came up with this character tantrum like there's no way making this guy a christian i wanna make the opposite i wanted to hate christians and so i've had i've had christie has come in and read the first novel say what the heke doing the all christians books are psychopaths only rational nice people. <hes> skeptics and i'm like well actually she. That's sometimes is a good reflection. I it reminds me of a pet peeve of mine which is that whenever there's a crime if they searched hurts the house of the killer or the suspect and they find a any kind of book you know dungeons and dragons book or an occult book nicole killing but if if if it happens in the house with the bible they never say well. It was a christian killing. You know that just never can yeah extensively enough. The first book purged edged. I'm not giving anything away by the way is in the first chapter but that's about a christian serial killer who thinks it's the most kindest way of doing evangelism is to baptize people and then immediately moved them soon after you just don't let it back up right you just selling its efficiency is what it is efficiency urgency but the worry the worry is this in christian circles like oh sounds so go ties but what happens if the world like sucks back into their way of thinking they backslide in they lose their faith in their for their place in heaven so this motorist says well. Hey i'll just kill the faster on on the world's best advanced but ironically like just just. I think it's a few months ago. I read in america. The guy christian <unk> try attempt to do that tim's family. I really hope you didn't read my book but attempted to two baptism and drown them to to send them to heaven so right there are there are plenty of them. Crazy christians well. There's plenty of this crazy. Humans now is rational humans crazy human. Let's get some. I think certainly stereotype the amongst a lot of fun i-i-is that saw the it's it's always the catholic priests. That's the pedophile. It's always the <hes> church elder who tends to be the serial killer that kind of thing yeah no human beings we we we live on stereotypes and sometimes that's kind of natural <hes> in the sense that it's it's a way of navigating the world and i fast track yourself itself through things in yukon. You wouldn't really get get through life that much if you will constantly thinking about every nuance of every year something that everyone knows it's even true but i read an interesting book recently by franciscan preschool richard role and he talks about life being unlike in two stages. He says the first half of our lives. Mrs necessarily reflected in time but he says the first half of our lives before we start to experience real life reading it we think in black and white on and we will be to think in those ways and so yes we say we'll all other religions false o.'neil <unk> the bible is opposite literally true whatever but then actually as you live your life you presented with more data which challenges that original view you. Maybe work blown sideway muslim guy at school at work and you go you know he's actually predictions by <unk> down at the pub. You think that guy is absolutely lovely <unk> morally and challenges your worldview and so therefore as you get older many people's just start to think slightly emigre they start to be willing to see life is a mystery already sure what the answers are some people. They'll go oh crap. I'm leasing my faith because i'm not one hundred percent solid but richard rowles point is no that's not the case you'll actually becoming more mature because your i onto recognize the limits of your knowledge and say you should embrace that doubt in a way because it's making you a more realistic realistic person in a sense because the idea of everyone having the answer lockdown tables. I think we do live in stereotypes but hopefully as we grow older we start to see see people as more and more than one dimension one would hope so this. I'll i'll let you go get caring but usually for miami so that go ahead cook here. Oh i was just just thinking in terms of some members of my family and as they age they seem to be more stuck in their ways and again. That's the stereo talk to that that people get fixed in their thinking and more rigid as they get older but <hes> yeah i. I certainly think i'm at that point. I'm trying to challenge those stereotypes apps whereas i'm seeing unfortunately members of my family who will once on the same page is mayor and now becoming a very bigoted and awesome and richard rodgers point that out he says that <hes> actually ironically you can get people who are in their seventies. Let's say on they. I still immature in the sense that they are still clinging to pule black and white thinking that everything else will be wrong and then you can get a teenager who let's say has as you know been canceled say instead the hospital on has been forced to experience life in a fast track way and they are straight to maturity. It says that they're like oh. You know what life is off and i'm also seeing a behavior in my four a year old that i see in my relatives. It reminds me of you. Know people love simple answers and you know if you imagine that if you say well you're a left wing or right wing. You're this. You're that it gives you a really simple handle for categorizing person but i think it looked at the controls are like if you look the gauges for human were much like seven forty seven dashboard than nineteen twenty five ford or whatever you know but but it does have a billion lean inside i have once it's the there's two kinds of people in this world those that recognize there's two kinds of people in this world and those that are heretics must die so yeah but i think there will be people out there who <hes> yet they dayo daya threatened by greatness. Yes uncertain because it's scary it yet if you've got a creative so personality who it gets excited by the blunt page them yet that that's fine but i think i'm trying to learn that those people who look down in thinking they have different ways of viewing life and they might come from the sense of insecurities that i have just. I express it in a different way. Well you mentioned colombo earlier so that seems like a good time to wrap up and say oh. I've just got one more question for you. What's your favorite monster. I i would say <hes> of wales love yup. Yes i think you know one of the reasons i love where will is because the county lack the pretentiousness of umpires. I think about ties cool great but there's something like attractive about being a vampire this also you confused fused being a vampire with your daily life you kinda <hes> you could use being umpire to your advantage. I think what i like about where will what i find scary about. Where is <hes> <hes> that they feel like insanity to me. The the idea that you have these moments where you do things which are totally off the scale and then can you can wake up the next day. This is classic. Webb will image wake up the next day not sure what you did last night <hes> that to me kinda it soft resonates a bit more with the human spirit whereas vampire and i do look like in what i did last night. I'm thirty minutes ago. I think i was here but i'd like i wouldn't asserted like i'd rather be a vampire than that away. It will his <hes>. You know that's because of the risk of just said but i think i i find just that bit more unpredictable space. I but i also like <hes>. If i can add another i do really enjoy <hes> like a nature goes mad tight monsters in particular exhau- films seventies films in particular when there was a spate of films where you wasps and bees dogs in it a rapid s- and everything everything's out to sea food of the gods grizzly prophecy yeah okay all of that nature has turned on us <hes> that type of stuff said monster cruelty. I wonder if would you put been and willard into that category. Oh i take because i suppose that that that's more of a resident yeah yeah yeah and to me. That's a kind of a psychopath guy who's using rats as a tool <hes> but as i recall identified the rats don't turn him but do they gonna he'll just he. He seems damaged in some way yeah yeah so i i did enjoy these films but i'm talking about like the idea that like all of a sudden old dogs in the i will stop ripping. People's throats outright like what's going on. Am i like them. I i'm not a fan of the insects right. I'll tell doug now i find them stepping and down they freak me out and dumped so films like <hes> swarm for example what you know as kidding aunts creeps me out but i still wanna watch it. I remember remember slower seventies film at in the end. Did you say that at the end of the swan the woman michael cain and this is the blackout that comes up at the end which says something like <hes> the the bees depicted the swollen at the base the african honeybee. I have nothing to do with the industrious hardworking american de well. We're we're putting to cover in search of soon and one of the season they talked about. I remember i grew up in the seventies so the african honeybees was on the news and they were invading and and and i i never really saw them show up in georgia maybe they did but i tell you what did show up in georgia that sort of met the hype was the fire ant in their everywhere now and i hate them and they are a rancher and have cattle or something like that then they could be white a mess because is a steps into it. You know it just gets really damaged by all. The stings horrible really hard to kill yeah. Yeah i mean not without really messing up the environment. I think there's you go around sort of treat them nest by nest but <hes> they're here. They don't really have any predators. As far as i know just introduce something else to get rid of them. Yes yes. That's works really well in australia. That's a good point with my gosh. It's like australia's the world's worst ecosystem experiment still ongoing there episodes. Thank you so much for talking with us today. Peter i really appreciate you chatting to me. At at some of these topics yeah we'll put links to your book the frighteners which i loved and then we'll put links to your authors page. If you want to buy the matt hunter series or anything else you're working on and to your youtube page yes so yeah i think <hes> people will be able to get the whole laws experience so i'm gonna have enjoy the congregation then on twitter warminster doll. You've been listening to monster talk. The science show about monsters. I'm blake smith and i'm karen stoltze donna. You just heard an interview with reverend. Peter laws who in addition to being a horror loving minister is also the author of a series of thrilling novels that deal with these kinds of themes a link to his book the frighteners and to his author page. 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"What's up everyone? It's chicks in the office with Rian Fran giving you that Friday energy on Thursday. I almost forgot the day but I did. Not Eight is in my head. Yeah I almost a two of it is presented by macy's of course our favorite place to shop. I'm actually in an outfit from macy's right now I've been wearing it all day. I'm super comfy and Cozy Nike. Sports Bra I got these leggings on school. Free People Black Jacket. But I'm wearing and like we've been telling you guys macy's place to shop your favorite brands type it in boom. It's there you're right rea- I have been trying on some stuff that I've ordered for macy's just because just because sometimes understood you know what I'm GonNa put it on for twenty minutes and then go back to two sweats but today had tried on a guest dress. It's like tie-dye Super Cute with my Puma white sneakers love it and best of all all of our favorite stuff that we've gotten for macy's you can shop. Also macys dot com slash chicks in the office. It's all their end. Mother's Day is coming up. What a best place to buy? Your mom gifts are you who just started choking was. I'll tell you arrive happen. I read your mother's Day coming up. You have to get your gifts from macy's is said to get on there. I was like take a look around. Sui alike Beauty supplies that have Is is all the brands that we shop like tar owner saying so go to macy's dot com such office shop our looks and also just brab browse the site now. The reason I choked was because I was like laying your conversation in my head of like how of how we were going to talk about outer banks like I. I thought about it and started laughing to myself planning it out. I was like Oh man. Yeah third one minute in. We can talk about anything else. Besides Outer Banks we we will have a whole discussion. If you haven't watched outer banks yet watch it now I this is. This is where we've gotten. We've gone from Monday to Ria being like I love show so much and I did not watch yet to then me immediately watching it and now I just I completely understand. It's it really. It really really gets you adjust. Does I watch six episodes on Monday and four on Tuesday. I'm done I've I've finished and was like I guess I gotTa Watch again. I'd probably going to start it all over again. Yeah we will talk about it. More in the Outer Banks Recap We do have them coming on the show next Monday. They'll be interviewing them on Friday very exciting stuff. I mean France the calendar invite invite to me into. This is the most excited I've been for calendar by and I had to remind her we have jobs others and yes Jones brothers. They were huge but right now in our minds and in our hearts yeah madeline and chase are the ones we want on the show and they're coming and the the amount of which wasn't person so bad yeah But yeah the amount tweets I set out to these people and we were interviewing Bob. Saga and I check my phone. And I had all these tweets from them. I miss some of them that I found last night that I was just dying laughing that I couldn't. I'm just like Oh my God. I forgot these people would actually be reading and listening to me and whatnot But they were very excited and really wants to come on the show and they seem to be fans. Barstool talked multiple them now. And I think that we're all best friends. There's just there's something that is very funny about this scenario and I'm sure we'll talk about it with them because this show has obviously been like a big break for a lot of them and like. I'm sure it's also crazy to them. And people are paying so much attention to them and their followers are going up and everybody loves a show and we watch a show on TV and we just see like and we're like wow actors so famous so we're like well untouchable actors and and then you actually realize that freaking out about their show being such huge such a huge success in there's like more in common and you you're freaking out about who's probably very regular person and they're all so freaking out because they follow barstool men it's like a vice versa type. A it just feels good. I feel like it's going to be a great interview. I feel like we're all GonNa get along great and hopefully some friendships come out of this. So we'll talk more about that. I want to talk about this quickly. Because if you have a story the other day about my endometriosis which I'll get into I feel like a one actually do a segment on it and I'll do that. I think at a different time. Not This episode like Bob Sagging Song this episode we're Talking Outer Banks and it just doesn't feel like it just doesn't feel like it fits here but I want everyone to know that I will talk about it in episode where I think that I could do. A segment in fits into the show I talked about it and simply I'm saying a friend like a common thing that I kept seeing. Will I saw? I don't even really know how to explain. What endometriosis exactly is because it's so hard to explain it's like a tissue that is host to be in your uterus. That just grows out into all different places in your body. It could be anywhere it could be in your intestines. It some people even go to their brains. It's it's honestly crazy But it only happens if women and my mom realized she had it when she was like forty years old because she's just like throwing up all day one day. She went to the hospital and they were like. Oh it's food poisoning centreback home and then the next day Easter Sunday they were like. I still don't really feel like this. Is Anything the doctor? He went home to eat his Easter dinner and when he was home called up my parents I was like I need to do. Emergency surgery on this woman Something doesn't feel right. And when they did surgery they realized that this thing called enemy troops is that my mom had never heard of before literally wrapped around her intestines will suffocated her to death like they said like a balloon. That's how hard it was strangling her. So if she didn't get that emergency surgery they said that she could have died because it would just literally strangled her to death. Us thankfully they were able to get that out but when I was fifteen years old I started getting extreme way bad pains at all times like not even just around my period just like all the time extreme cramps pains in my but that Fran has witnessed me like in the middle of nowhere might how it feels like a knife stabbing me it. So strange Just like tired out time. Just weird things happening to my body and then I got surgery in like two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen because I told my gynecologist that my mom had it in there. You have it and then they found it when they were stopped surgery and now. I just feel like shit again so I put on my story and so many women reach out to me like three hundred plus women. I was not expecting that many people to reach out and talk to so many of them and it honestly broke my heart that not only were they like feeling the way I was feeling but there were also just feeling extremely hopeless as well. Just in extreme pain. There's nothing to do. Everyone's doing the same thing heating pad. Cb We'd advil like all of the basic things you can do and also so many people mentioning how because it is such a like invisible. Illness it hurts. You show fucking bad. I can't even explain the pain but because it's not something people know about that. Well people just think. Oh you're being dramatic and so many people were all. I've lost friends because of this because they think I'm being dramatic in that. I'm complaining all the time I've lost boyfriends because my boyfriend doesn't believe them in pain all the time that they can be matic and I talked about this and I was like. It's so crazy that people can't just understand that this stuff is out there. 'cause Fran deals with me complaining all the time and she's like yeah I get it. You don't feel well and she's nice about it she's not like ovary. I don't believe you look is so crazy because I think that now hopefully more and more people are able to talk about it but it's it's people are still so uncomfortable speaking about women's issues like this and I feel like I one. I'm very proud of you because I think you not. You have a you have a platform you can talk about it. You can help other girls who have these problems. Because I've had this conversation with you wherever you have been in so much pain and you're like there is literally nothing I can do and for other girls who may be felt this ordeal at this to know that you also go through also can can be comforting and it's it's crazy if you look it up. I mean it affects so many women like one. It's they say one in ten women which is ridiculous that is so many people right and and so many doctors are still not aware of it. And they're not they don't have knowledge about it like there are endometriosis specialists and things like that that are good to go to define the gynecologist. Who is well versed in it? If your doctor doesn't really know about this then you're fucked. I've read so many. Where like people say their doctors telling them they can help them unless they want to get pregnant. Just not true like I was. How a role twenty nineteen surgery and some people who are my age being like they said I was too young type surgery on my client. This is just. It's so crazy in your right like I text you all the time. I'm in so much pain. I don't know what to do now. Something happened the other night. I was just in so much pain and I was like. I can't fucking take anymore. I'm just going to ask people if they also do save thing because I feel like I'm I talked myself into thinking that I'm going to die because I had some underlying illness that wasn't just to realize that that is what endometriosis is like just makes you feel like shit all the time unexplained and so many other people are down with it. I just WanNa say girls I see you. I read all your. Dm's appreciated all the lovely woman. I talked to about this kind of like sharing. Tmi back and forth but al it's comforting and if you do have Endometriosis struggled it. Hit me out because I will read. Your Damn. I will respond to you and I'll probably talk about a little more some other time. Get more in detail about it like symptoms and what because it just goes way deeper than people realize definitely and if you're somebody that has a friend or your boyfriend that has a girlfriend that struggles with it? You gotta be patient like there's you. There's just no reason to like. I think underestimate like how bad that person's pain his like. You just gotTa believe them like when you text min you're like this is a horrible horrible pain. I need to like chill and do nothing. I'm like okay. Do it like this. You know right have to like you have to understand that we don't like I don't know what the pain is that you're feeling but boy does it. Sound fucking awful. So I'm just GONNA support you in the best way that I can exactly and you do a great job at it and that's what I said to you when I text you about it. I was like feel like people need to hear US talk about it because people probably don't have it nate here. Their friends complain about it. And they're like what are you even talking about? What does that even mean exactly? That's Kinda like I feel like how my friends acted to when I was younger. I mean who really knows what that means when you're like fifteen years old and even for the people who do have it and like I was saying to myself like you're crazy. You're being dramatic. You're not just listen to yourself. If something really hurts it definitely just really hurts because yeah it is painful as far so yeah. I wanted to touch on that a little bit and we also have some great topics for this episode. This episode I am really excited about Like is the most excited. I've been about an episode. I think in quarantine. I don't know if that makes sense while. Actually maybe maybe the next one the one with that one I was talking about but I feel like our interview with Bob. Funny as always you said. He's like our dirty uncle. He's earn dirty uncle. He is as just alkyl. Bob Is really just. He's taken over that role It is it is very funny. There are two things I wanNA mention before we get into the topics to one. The giants brothers have a big announcement coming today. We don't know what it is They sent out a tax. That's happiness continues. There is an IMDB PAGE. Four happiness continues and has all them as cast members. I think it's a tour documentary shadowed to this girl. I know that. Hopefully she's listening and maybe she'll message me again. I don't want to say her name but she had message me. Maybe a month or so ago being like Fran draws brothers are releasing a tour documentary and I remember seeing it and being like. Wow that's gonna be awesome and an kind of going on with my day and not thinking about it again until this week and I tweeted about it and the girl had tweeted abby again it was like I told you I liked it. It was like no. I know I saw the DM. But there's so many times when like if I got that. Gm on like okay information downloaded into my brain. Now I know but like I don't know if she wants me telling the world that there's a tour documentary coming Fran. I think you bring up a great point with that. I feel like people need this message out there. If you'RE GONNA dias with information please be clear if we are allowed to share it or not because via Fran are usually under the impression that we are not allowed to share it so we don't. We always go that route. I'd rather be safe than sorry and say something that somebody didn't want us to say so. If you do demos with information that you feel like hey use this. Don't say my name. Yeah let us know in. La. We'll be happy to share. And I was also share the news and also happy to not share. I was very happy to receive the tour documentary. Dm because when this news came out on Tuesday are and the the they sent out this. I was like Oh shit. This is definitely the tour documentary. I felt like I was in on something so know exactly who should. Also we were trustworthy people when somebody. Dm's nothing and says don't share it. We don't share it. Why would we share it? They said don't share A friend I'm excited for you. I'm excited for the Jonas brothers. I feel like hey. Will we be seen in the documentary probably not? I didn't see any around us but one can hope we went to enough shows that maybe if they show the crowd a couple of times won't be around cross our fingers. Yeah it's quite possible and then the other thing that I wanted to mention was the pillow. Challenge is something that's going viral right now and I don't really get it. I just I feel like maybe a lot of other people feel the same way. The challenge is basically wearing nothing but a pillow and putting a belt around it and posting a picture saying Hashtag pillow challenge. There's no there's no like a charity. The challenges right now in quarantine a lot have to do with raising money or charities or whatnot and I tried to find the origin of the pillow challenge and Hype Bay had posted about it a couple of days ago and they had just written. The trend seems to have originated from sweeter style account. My foretaste fashion influencer duo style by Nelly. Both of whom post itself is of their pillowcase. Looks on April fifth? Since then countless instagram users have gone creative with the prompt accessorising pills with statement belts in coordinating purses off-white even made a look what they're saying but now all these levers are doing it and it's just it's just them and pull up so I keep seeing this too. I don't get it. I won't participate. I'll look at it and I'll laugh but I said I don't understand I think it's it's one of those things. People do challenges randomly and they mean nothing yet. This is challenged people saw. Oh the Harlem shake. I was a child at one point right Dan Challenges. There's really like this is a challenge. It's like here you put on. You can wear a pillow and that's that's about it but I mean maitre celebrities are doing it like an hathaway just did one and she recreated her like Princess. Diaries movie poster. She's got the tiny glasses and the big headphones and she made her. The caption was quote for Princess. Diaries so people are getting very creative with it. Just cracks me up because I'm like. Where did this come from of all the challenges that people think of this is this is the one that stuck everyone was like? This is the one we're going to do the pillow challenge for and we can make up any challenge at any point and have people do it. Yeah I guess that's probably true but it's I feel like it's harder than people think till I really get the traction going on something like this when there isn't a deeper point. Yeah maybe we need just like we should wrap blankets around ourselves. Blanket Challenge Toga Challenge. Everyone back whereas a sheet. It can literally be anything. Yeah could it definitely could. I mean that seems to be what the pill challenges. I'M NOT GONNA complain about. Its people are getting very creative but it just made me laugh because I was like where this come from and it was just nothing really. Of course I mean. Celebrities are born right now so yeah it makes sense all right. Well let's get into the topics for today's show. Of course we have our outer banks recap which we're very excited about. We told you guys we'd be talking about to handle. We're not doing it this episode and probably won't do it next episode because we have and Madeleine on and I'm not going to disrespect With that so now one after that maybe we also will be talking about Madison verse. Peter Oh my goodness hello. I wish that that wasn't that didn't happen but happens. Sorry for people stocks. Were going crazy right now. If you thought your doorbell rang. Yeah sorry if you jump and he thought somebody was there by the way. Nobody's coming over to my house. It's just packages Madison and Peter there shading each other all over the Internet. And of course we have our feel-good segment we have our listen your heart recap with Trent and we have an interview with the always lovely op sagging. So let's get into it. Starting off with the Outer Banks Recap Zone ALMAC cheap and three hundred like the Rome three hundred bitches where Detroit. Maybe living in the moment. But I'm not about to go hunting. I'm outta control but there's no way to go and there's no way. I knew I would be in black that on your way if you haven't watched outer banks and you don't want it spoiled. Don't listen to this segment because we're gonNA talk about the show and why humans thank you for that. Psa Fran let's get into it. Yeah let's talk about the show that is outer banks that has swept the nation sweeties nation has swept the entire world. Our hearts our minds included now leg up. He as a less creepy as possible. Because I'm realized why that they may or may not listen to this because I did not think listen to the recap with Robbie although I much appreciate that they did and I understand why they would listen. I loved the show. So if they want to recap gladly it kind of reminds me. I said a friend When we would talk about like tyler and then became our friend and then we had to act up a little bit to reign it in the rain at in. We'd be like Oh my God. We'VE DIE FOR TYLER. And now tyler is a good friend of ours so I mean I guess it works out in the end saying that you would die for people you become friends or just talk about how hot they are. I guess that yeah. I mean who's GonNa get mad at that? They're not going to be like you mean they're just gonNA quite a compliment. Your right so outer. Banks is a new show on Netflix. It is a team drama. I've been describing it as a mixture of one tree hill mixed with the OC mix national treasure mixed Riverdell. Summer saying it has really a little bit of everything which is why we have completely fallen in love with it. And it's a nice change of pace because Fran and I watch a lot of reality. Tv We usually have reality TV Recaps WE DO SCRIPTED TV show as well But there just hasn't been a really good one like this in housing goddess like this. It's that's very true. I haven't felt this passionate about a like this in quite some time that both of us have felt this way so that we can talk about it there are there have been other netflix shows teen dramas that. I have loved the society. Rea- get on that. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA love. But this was something that obviously Kaposvar attentions mostly because Congress attention and then she told me to watch it but yeah I would I would also say like it's like riverdale meets the. Oc meets bloodline. Did you ever watch bloodline? No a bloodline and that kind of has the dark murder drug situation that that bloodline has I was unaware. How much of a like treasure hunt mystery? Murders drug situation. This was going to be like I. I did not know that all one I was seeing like. Oh it's like winter hill the OC and Riverdale. Mike Okay and I'm saying Outer Banks and there's the pogues and the Kooks and and I'm thinking like I don't know summer drama. Just I was. I was really not expecting it to go. Full treasure hunt like my diety was just peaking the entire time watching the show because I was like Holy Shit. This is way more intense than I thought it was going to be. I agree with you. I did not expect it to go that route except at the end of the first episode of kind of expected it. I S I write down. But either way it was caught our attention through through ten episodes. Now everybody is damning me like Oh my God thank you ria for recommending the show. I almost feel like Netflix. Needs to cut me a check of some sort and the amount of Diaz. I have received saying that people are watching the show because of me is I feel honored. Although I know that they're not just watching it because it may WanNa make me feel good because they heard us talk about it. Let's start off with the first episode I think if you're listening to this by now you have watched the show. You understand the premise of the show. It's about a core group of friends. The pogues Kooks and John Be our main character. Our Star of our live We would die for Dr of the show. His Dad has gone missing and there is a treasure to be found. He knows that yes. And so it's hard because honestly the entire show is in episodes but it all is just like one continuous episode. Like the way Netflix did it was. It was truly impossible to find a time to stop watching like you the way each episode ended. You had to at least watch the first ten minutes of the next episode before you could pause it like maybe thinking about taking a break. It's the way they did. It was it was gray and also now. We've talked about this next episode button. When he finished net net Flix episode. It moves so fast now. Like there's no you don't even have a second think about watching the next episode because it starts to play like. I would be watching and if I was maybe texting you or something like because I literally texted you. Shrimp of consciousness. The entire time watching the show asking to say if you did text me the entire time. I texted you the entire time. Like just text made no sense half the time too and they go back and read some of them. I would go through it and then it would just be like there'd be a pause and I wouldn't even realize that the next episode was already playing like it was like a FARC. What just happened. So the next is replayed but yes John is the main character He's got his core group poems. It's JJ Pope and Kiara Ki. Ki Is sneaky. Aku 'cause she her parents. Are you know what well off? Have a restaurant. And she got to go to the Kook Kademi but she hates all them and is friends with with the boys and right away you knew that her dynamic with the group was going to be very interesting because I think at first everyone thought. Oh obviously she's going to end up with GIAMBI. I thought that I thought that as well although I wasn't necessarily rooting for that because it was not either there was foreshadowing that Jon. Benet was going to end up with Sarah because he was staring at Sarah. So lusting Lee. Is that a word I don't know I don't think so but I don't know. But in this case shirt lessening yes not the word I'm looking for at all. It doesn't sound right but that's fine. He had lost in his eyes. Yes there was new law soon as is for Sarah From across the way during their character and You knew that that was going to happen. Although when I was watching John Being Kiara I was shocked. Backyard was pushing him away. I know I know. And that's why I was saying again that this is hard for me to like stink about this episode episode. Because I forget what happened in what episode. It's almost like one. Big Thing by Wilson my initial reaction to. Jj was this kid's Bat News. I mean the gun at the Beach Party and I know things had escalated and Sarah so like we said Sarah Cameron. She's Kook Beautiful. Has Her dushi boyfriend topper. Great name for him. Topper just fantastic Douche name and punishable as so punishable and they're all the they're all this party and the fight and topper like has John be under the water like basically drowning him and. Jj where did jj even find the gun? Remember the scooter. Who died and they went. Tell Yes yes yes and the reason me and Robbie talked about this. We were like the motel was useless. The only reason I'm gonNA tell was in there was because Jj had to get a gun somehow right correct correct they yes well because Oh God this is I should. We should have written this down. They go on a boat. They're on their boat and they. It was after storm after hurricane and they saw a sunken boat in the marsh and they dove down to find what was in the marsh. The that was in the boat and they've found a motel key. They took that motel key to the motel went to the room. There is a safe gun money. Jj took the gun. That's how that's how changing the gun and then topper is basically drowning. John be screaming. Tv His job. You're going to die in the first fucking episode you serious and then. Jj Blah Blah. She's they stop people who are not happy including myself. I was so pissed at JJ But you know when we move on through the season you learn to love. Jj you learn that you would also died for JJ. Because I know I would end. Fran had a good point that I was thinking to myself that I was afraid to say. I didn't want to sound too crazy. But why don't you present it? I don't know what I don't know what it is about him. Being a Blonde Harry styles. Oh he is a blond hair styles at checkout his instagram. If you spend some time on there I'm not saying I did but if you do. There is one specific photo that really sells it black and white. It's like the whole James Dean. Kinda kind of vibe and they have very similar faces. He's like a blonde hair styles. You're welcome for that compliment. Yeah calls crazy Yup just Felt that deeply but it just it immediately was so fast paced. You had them obviously trying to figure out what was going on because scooter. Who was the man driving the boat? That sunk worked for Ward Cameron. Who is Sarah Cameron's father absolutely? I am Ward Kimball. Have I called him? Being Cam Ward the entire time in the PODCAST Robbie and then afterwards I realized that fuck I call them can wear the old time. Who's a hockey player by the way up Chase plays Johnny a tweeted like we'll come on the show of you admit that you called poor. Cameron Cam Ward the entire time. Which hand up. I do admit I did do that. And I laugh about it. I think Cam Ward it. Just Rozov Cam. Lord is a name war cameron his name right. They Cam Ward just. It sounded right down. It makes sense. That sound right to me is already a person ward is a last name. Cameron is a first name and those were flipped. Cameron is also a lasting. Yes it is. We do know that way the way that they combine. I don't know maybe just because war. I don't know like give him a game. I real real game argument. John No don't with John Lewis already person. George George Cameron. Yeah well you know what? They're you're cameron. I'm now thinking of so many Cameron's Tyler Cameron Tie that Ryan brand. There's tons tons of people the last name Cameron and then I was GONNA use. Tyler is example that his first name is in the last name. But Tyler can be a last name also so there should even tyler. I know I that was my first thought as well. So we're just completely wrong on that one but anyway scooter. Scooter was working for Ward Wards Big House Big Boat. Jambi works on his boat and he. He's he seems like he's got everything he is his children. Sarah is the Middle Child Rafe. The oldest the youngest daughter. There's really no there's really no mom explanation like rose is obviously not their mom. Step mom but there's no like mom who's their real mom conversation right. We don't find that out. I I'd also say we either a baller name or it sounds like you have asthma. It goes evily totally and I really thought at the beginning I was GONNA hate wheezy. She kinda push through at the end but there she was just she tattling. I mean she's thirteen thirteen so mad. I was like Keep John. B's name out of your fucking mouth. Yeah no she was tattling all over the place and things things just like you said escalated so quickly they're trying to piece together how scooters involved all of a sudden there are two very scary men who come out of fucking nowhere and they're ready to kill all of them here does. There's no explanation. There's just absolutely fucking henchman that come in and they're like. Oh Sheriff will help you search for the boat and and they're the everyone in town. They're searching for this sunken boat. That scooter was on 'cause they found spheres bodies. Now they're looking for the boat and these guys are just getting on their cigarette boat. They're like no problem. Sheriff we got this will find him and then he just killed the pogues pull up. They got a shotgun. I will say amazing racing by the pogues in the boat sat out to their driving. These guys right. They came out of nowhere. We never even got an explanation. Really about them did end up now. Dying later on in the show and they didn't really mean much besides the fact that they were also out for the Royal Merchant. End The gold We also need to remind everybody that Giambi found a compass in scooters yell when they went down the search to end the compass. It was his dad's and he knows it was his dad's in the open it up and there's a note written redfield gives Giambi clued. Go to this place and get this last voice message from his father. Which made me cry a lot. I will say it made me cry a lot and I also want to go back to the point where you mentioned that job works on Ward Cameron's boat and he bumps into into. Sarah tells her that he used the scuba gear. Yeah and that is when we tells on Sarah and John B and then you texted me and said that Sarah would have been great role for me and it was the nicest thing you've ever said to me. I will hold that to my heart forever. I mean ten out of ten. That's a role. You're dishing for like you get that script and you are auditioning for the role of Sarah Cameron. I will say I was really beating myself up with the fact the fact that I gave up acting for this have if I would have just stuck with it. I probably would have gotten this audition like about the amount of TV shows and movies. I auditioned for that are like big. Tv movies. I mean this would have been right up there because oh absolutely because they also they cast a lot of young actors and actresses who haven't been in other stuff really. Yeah I'm twenty two. She's twenty two could have been although I love. Madeline clock and I'm rooting for her. And I'm glad she got the part but I did as a huge compliment. You're welcome I have. I really meant it. I felt like as soon as she popped on the screen. I was like a God. This could have been real tennis. Just this is it but the connections honestly I will say I think it did get a little. There are some predictable. Things were the end but at the beginning with the treasurer and searching for this the Royal Merchant Gold I really had no idea what was what was going to happen. Who is connected to and you know. Sarah. He takes a Scuba Gear Jami Gear from the boat brings it back. Sarah's there and she promises that she's not going to say anything but obviously like you said we see titled so that he confronts. Sarah unlike really yells at her and it was very convincing. And you kind of thought like Oh this is not really going to work out but this could be skipping over a bunch of things but I is. I think episode four was my favorite episode one. Because I'm a sucker for love and you know that and sucker for a good teen drama rain moments. It was perfect. A Great Rain Seen Day. The neighbor getting dressed in the store. I think that is the moment I realized I would die for jumpy. I think that was it. I truly I looked at him and I needed to see him in some seersucker. Well here's the thing. No because you know I'm usually a person who would go for the way the pogues dress rather than because I have not like into the preppy nece yet but he looked he looked damn good and I was like I would die for this man right here. Right now is what it's all about bring on On but then. This is where I also fell in love with Sarah too. I was like I love them together. They belong together Thuc topper. I hope John Takes him down and I hope he cries in his bed at night thinking about them kissing on the dock in the rain. Yep I'm with you on that. They had to go to the mainland. Because Sarah had revealed that they had found artifacts in their home from the from the merchant. I honestly this is all going to get mixed up. And I'm probably going to explain this in the worst way possible. And I also forget the name of the guy. But they had the artifact said Golick the library of you're listening this recap you watched the show. You know what I'm talking about and so they're at UNC. They're in the library. They had to dress up. They spend the whole day together. They're flirting the whole time. You could tell it was super q and then they had code names for each other and everything and they get back. And obviously it's raining and Sarah's like look this is this is it back to our back to regular life where we're not friends and you know you're you're you and I mean and this is at and she starts to walk away hours like wow. That's really going to be it but then you know. He stops at yells. He she turns around they kiss. It was magical. The fireworks went off. I'm neglecting Donnie out. It yeah look every iconic show has a moment like this that you look back and you're like yes I. Th I think. Hill with Nathan and Haley and the rain at like. There's there's always good rain seen this was it for them. I felt oh I also want to say that there is a tidal. Want Your Hill because if you watch one tree hill junk and Fergie are you know. Part part of the show Second Tier Characters. I would say but Johnke is a policeman on the show. He's he's a cop and I was very happy to see him back in the game. A dirty cop one might say a cop that won't rust trust him. Let's hug with sheriff. Peter King by the way also ended up calling her Peter. Oh Man I just was named their hard yet. Hard to remember it. I did not know how to feel about this chair because I couldn't tell what side she was on. I was like if she bad she good and and they stay played very ominous music. Every time she talked and just the way she talked. It'd be really short sentences and it would just end with like dot dot dot and then cut ever seen like. It's just like well John. If you don't tell me where your friends are we're gonNA have a problem and they're just and custody and the music is in the back of Thunder John. Every time I was like why do I? I like hives every time. It was just a very unwell feeling at all times. When she spoke other she did turn out to be a good cop. Not Bad cop. The other cops were bad. Yeah I WANNA go back and talk about the Kooks and pokes fighting each other resod in the beginning when topper almost drown Giambi and that was ridiculous and then we see it constantly throughout the show. Where the Kooks are always on the verge of murdering the pokes. I just was like okay. Let's take a chill pill on the almost murdering every single time. They get into a fight. How is this possible? But one of the Times. It's so true there was no late. Low level couple punches. Maybe a Black Guy. You walk away. It was the verge of suffocation every time every single day was strangled and killed every time. The anxiety was pumping but one of the times They get into an altercation. They beat up poked with golf clubs and a the anger inside of me wanted to punch lease boys and in the face for him and then pope tells. Jj engages like we gotTA retaliate. Which this is when I really started to love. Jj I was like you know what this guy is a ride or fucking die for his friends and I'm with that. Even though he has his gun he takes out. I started to Robbie. It's like this is the end. When he's like Bang. Bang Jonah Hill in the gallon conflict or tweet me when she takes the gun He just always almost uses this gun but he tells Jj and they're like we need to go retail retaliate. And they go sink one of toppers boats. Now topper and Rafe. They figure out. Oh of course. This was pope. Jj and stay. Tell the COPS They try and arrest. Pope and JJ stands up. He's like no it was me. I'm GonNa tell the truth. Once in my life it was me takes the fall for Cope in front of Popes Dad. That's why. Jj is a real one. And that is when I decided I would to die for him because he just took a beating from his dad basically for pope because he got arrested he got bailed and then his dad beat the shit out of him in the car. It was absurd. I was screaming at my TV J. Paul J. J. has just a tough life. His Dad is absolutely disgusting. Beats HIM UP? He's an addict and just terrible but this kid would still do anything for his friends pope. They know he's got a lot on the line with his merit scholarship and can't get into any trouble so. Jj like you said took the fall for him. Jj Impo have very cute friendship. And I I like you said it went up and down for me. Jj throughout the season. There is times when I was like how. Jj that was really really stupid and timezone like okay. Good for you jj now. The Times. When I was saying good for your jj basic as it was Jj's fault to begin with it was his idea to sink the boat. But you know that's just that's obviously just the kind of care the kind of kid he is but still still definitely have have love for. Jj things also really interesting. When obviously John and Sarah started to become a couple and were hanging out more and Sarah was still have this topper situation she had figure out An job brings her around the first couple times. Because now Sarah knows about the treasurer and she's in on it and jars like it's me are her like if she's in. I'm out because they have this history where they were friends. Freshman Year High School We don't know what happened at. I just had some big falling out now. Kiara hates guts and they really really do not like each other until the boys forced them onto a boat left them stranded on the boat all night. Just Sarah and Kiara where they had to make up and they kinda hope for the best and it did work. We found out the story. She wasn't invited to Sarah's birthday and she called the cops on the party. They were like best best friends. But Sarah's got a problem we've seen it she p somebody gets too close to her. She pushes them away. She did with topper when they were about to have sex and she did it with Kiara I guess like when their friendship became you know very serious in pushed her out of her life now. I texted you a theory. That boy I wish was real because in this moment I was like Oh shit. Kiara definitely has secret feelings for Sarah and Sarah didn't reciprocate and this explains why Kiara keeps turning down all these super hot bullets and this will come out that like something happened between them. Nope not the case. She just wasn't invited to the party so a friend. I loved that theory from you and I would have been shocked at all. I actually was Kinda rooting for that situation as well as other people online saying the same thing. I thought that was going to happen. That would have added a whole other element to the show. I voted for that. Maybe Sarah would have left Giambi as well in Kiara and Sarah. They did make up and they bombed over a blunt and they were talking about nipples rise in is from nipples. I saw decided which I would choose. I've been thinking about after awhile but it was a great scene and then they're all together now. They're in a pack and everything's Great. We forgot to mention when topper fucking pushes Giambi off the water tower and we think doggies dead and he held that Gossiping. I mean that that happened after they all made up but Orlando. It happened before that happened before they all made up because this was at the midsummer saying when. Jj delivered the note to Sarah and we. Are Dan know yet. That was a part of it and then yet they told them that after and Kiara was so bad. That Sara job were together because he wouldn't have fallen off the water tower in the first place. Now there are some obviously stretches in the in the dash is what happens with these kinds of shows like if you watch you're a fan of Riverdale like you understand that sometimes absolutely absurd. Things happened that you know could not happen in real life but this is a TV show show. Yeah and one of them was John be getting pushed off this fucking thing and getting a concussion and a broken wrist that a concussion and a broken wrist is like if you fall six feet like he was fifty feet up. Could've been more like he was so high. I ONCE AGAIN DODGE. Omni died and was shot. Of course you know. They wouldn't just kill him off then But he ends up in the hospital and this is when a war cameron becomes his legal guardian. That's an idea too right. But you have a parent. Yeah that's why they all become friends and he needs. Karen Sauer to get along is because now war cameron is in charge of Jon Benet. Yeah yes zoster. Yes he's tried. He's avoided being put into foster care at this point. That's the last thing you want to do. Obviously his dad was missing him and his. He's supposed to be legal. Go Guardians supposed to be his uncle but he's nowhere to be found so ward who sneaky now at this point. We're starting to figure out that he also wants the treasurer looking for the treasure and realizes that these kids know what's going on and like you said. Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer. He forgiven adopts John Closer and he is now living in living in their house. And you just tell that word was really really also wanted this gold at this point. They a at this point. The pogues have also located the goal. They know where it is like they. They found the map. They found the plot where I'm going to skip skip over a lot of the logistics here. Yeah they found the gold. It was in a well with a really scary old lady living in the house. She was absolutely terrifying. She reminded me of I'M GONNA forget there's like another really scary old blind lady from something that can and I don't remember what it is shoot. You're thinking of either but I like it could be any. Oh Harry Potter this is yeah. Yeah if you know what? I'm talking about six movie when when Harry and harmony they yes. You'll you'll know what I'm talking about very scary Old Lady. She's she's blind. They're stuck in the house. They chase her out but they find the golden well. It's all there And then ward basically over. Here's them talking about it and then puts two and two together because that house put on sale and he puts two and two together. That must be where it was. Kids had rob the house and now the owner had to move because they were scared of this woman. Living their loan kids robbed a house puts together. That's where the gold is and he takes off. Girl takes it takes all of it this son of a bitch but he didn't take the gold until he brought. Jami on a boat. Any said they're gonNa have a nice day fishing any gets John be drunk. That son of a bitch brings a bottle of fucking. Tito's or whatever and he's trying to get John Drunk and he thinks Johnny's GonNa Spill about the gold that I was so proud of John in this moment holding his ground and being like I'm not going to tell you Shit I don't know any and then this is me find out that aboard. Cameron had basically murdered John. His father and Jami has to get away from ward because wards acting like a crazy person and he's trying to kill John just like he did to his dad and Johnny escapes on a Jet Ski. Got Up to jet skis and you also see that clearly ward also killed the other henchmen with his with his giant Hook tore them apart and throw them in the in the ocean hoping they would be eaten by sharks or something and the trail is getting longer and longer of people. That war is killed at this point and it is absolutely ridiculous. He gets away finally he does also talk with scooters wife who they have been trying to talk to this whole time who finally reveals to him. What Ward had confessed to scooter about everything going wrong with him and John vs on the boat and killing him and then we find out this is like I said things really get and then we find out jobbies. Dad Wasn't really ridiculous jobbies. Dad survived getting his head bashed in in the middle of the ocean and landed on an island castaway style where he was able to survive as long as he could. He had the COP as he was able to sketch the last clue into into the compass before dying. Because you know the sheriff had found his glasses on the island and went to the island. Gazette swear they knew. Scooter was going to the island so now John B knows for sure that his dad is dead and that ward is just absolutely horrifying person and also. The sheriff is putting two and two together. That Ward is the bad guy. And that Shit's going down. War Did all this and at this point. I'm trying to think I'm now. I feel like I am skipping over stuff. 'cause now I'm immediately thinking plane ward has the gold he say guest over HAMAS. Yeah so at this point has all the gold because Giambi went to the house. Get the golden he realizes award-winning God it. As soon as he came back he stabbed himself in the arm to make. It seem like John. Be Hurt him on the way back. A word comes back and he tells Sarah that he she can't be John B and he's making it seem like Giambi's crazy giambi's like hey sour. Your Dad killed my dad. And she's like no. That can't be possible. It's my dad and now ward and John B are in an all out war where GIAMBI now feels like. He's got a takedown Ward Cameron. He finds out that Sarah is going to go to the Bahamas with war. They're going work on his business. Ward is trying to get Sarah out of there so that she can't figure out what's going on and he drives to. They don't drive there. They end up at the place where the plane is about to take off. He sees the gold being put into the plane and then he gets in the van any derives through any derives in front of the planes. The word has to stop and write magic the play to to Sarah definitely put into that. That was the gold in the right. She started started panicking. Yeah she started. Panicking pope actually is the one who was like. Hey guys. My Dad said that you know the plane was heavy in. They need help and he was like we. GotTa get there fast. He has all the gold in the plane. We gotta get it and he left the Mary Scott for left in the interview. Yeah so we have left in the middle of his interview for the Merit Scholarship. Yeah they WANNA rider his future down the toilet they would ride him die for their friends and John B Sarah Struggling. And he's like Oh no. He's he's forced ground to the plane. I gotta get in there. The plane stops of course Sarah once we would be like. Oh my God job he like Sarah like fuck you ward and then finally the sheriff shows up and she's like ward. You are under arrest for the murder of John Rutledge. He's getting in handcuffs. This is a cheering moment. And then that asshole. Rafe comes out of nowhere and shoots sheriff. Sheriff Peterson and they place the blame. All on B and War Cameron locks his daughter Sarah Cameron in her room. So that you can't tell the truth I you know we didn't talk enough about raping an asshole throughout this entire thing. He sucks so much in the shell. Juries a great person outside the show but he sucks so much in the show. I fucking hate his character and then he fucking killed the sheriff and blamed it on John I. I have not felt hatred for a fictional character. As as much as I do for Rafe in a long time like there he just throughout the show is just the privileged kid who is total dickhead. He's doing drugs. He's selling drugs. He's absolute disaster. He you know. He's whatever feels unloved by his dad. Give me a break and is just makes these horrible decisions. He's beating people up some. He is just like really. He's just so messed up. And the newseum shoot the sheriff and I was like this fucking Kid Oh my God and continues to be a piece of shit lying to everyone talking about how it's all John. John Bees like the most wanted man in the world. This point is faces everywhere. They haven't been hiding Is just absolutely insane. Sarah finally figures out. What's what's happening. Because They Kiara snuck up to her window. She was locked into shower the poster that they've been lying in. Everyone said that John. Be that you know the ward and Rafe. Everyone saying that it was John B. Who did it and it was just. It's just ridiculous words. All you'll learn that US it's family the lines blur right and wrong. You just gotTa stick to tribe whole lot of bullshit so much bullshit and so you know. We'll skip through the all the basics John B was on the run he was going to tell The sheriff's Office that it was rape who killed. Sheriff Peterson. High couponing say Peterson Peterson. Whatever Peterson that it was rape but he has blood on his hands. Any here's the radio say. We are looking for suspects In they say his name and they describe him and then he runs out of there. The police don't move. Don't move. Any fucking sprints Eh. He's just on the run until the end of the show. Basically I mean. We can go through things that happened. He ran away ended up in one of the one of the kooks houses. Vanya was locked in. The bathroom may ended up in the church where him in Sarah. I think had sex for the first time. I'm not exactly sure up. That's what happened. Had I think it was? Yeah and then. Somehow topper ends up there because this is just that show as lost his mind talk or loses his mind and takes. The blame went out the blame. He puts on John Sweatshirt and walks out of the tournament his first to prove his love for Sarah. As IF SARAH IS GONNA fucking end up with top or at the end of this. No you know topper. Really talk about your. I love making crazy. He absolutely lost it for for her. Pretty much Yeah when he was on the run things really were insane. Islands aided voided John. B Make the Police Force look like big chumps. These can write. These guys couldn't catch him all season. Long there's no they just looked like pretty Pretty bad police and then things got crazy too because like you said he was locked in the laundry room of of the Kids House is I forget his name but he has topper guarding the door as he runs off to get the the cops and the whole time. You're like Oh us though. Just an adorable John be moment when topper was like. Oh to fucker and he was like Oh man like why. Why did you gotTA use that worse? Yeah probably John Yeah. Houses do make loud Dataman but would that is very lisette unbelievable again that he topper without hearing anything. John was like able to move the dryer or washing received like like anymore. That's obviously the dryer vent that connects to the outside air and he just he moved APP. Dryer didn't make one sale. This guy is superman. Yeah it was. It was fantastic. He escaped again. There continued to be on the run. Were I'll just say finally they come up with a plan to fix up. Jj His dad's boats they're gonNA meet at three PM. He and Sarah GonNa get on that boat. They have a plan. They're gonNA ride away. They'll stay in stay on the boat. Standard replaces end up in Mexico. But things like things don't totally workout. They ended up the Herman's they are on the run. There on Powell boards. Sarah gets caught by friends while John went back to the house. Because you wanted the the gold which one goal they had that one is gold they had also powerful moment when he stood up talking to the cops in their car and steals their car in the cops. Be like a pack is driving gay sheriff's car and like that has made them look real dumb. He had made the most terrible. And then obviously we saw Sarah go and try to tell the people that Rafe killed. The Sheriff but award. Is there obviously being a monster as usual nonsense Runaway and now these two are on the boat and there's a storm Bruin and things are getting a little crazy Kiara pope. Jj were all taken in by. The cops are questioning because they were obviously seen with the cop car in the spot where John had taken off in the boat and now John and Sarah are on this boat. There spotted they send out other boats to chase after them and there is an extremely large storm. A Tornado may be even that they're going into and they're not turning around and they're like all right. We need one last hope. Let's get bored Cameron on the radio the John B. If you love my daughter take a look at her and turn around for her. You guys are going to die. In that storm please turn around and choppy just goes. He's like word. Are you listening to me? I'm coming for you. And he's in this moment when he did not turn around for. Sarah I was like fuck yeah. He hates ward so much that he now is going to kill himself and Sarah and his daughter because he really really hates him and rightfully so he was like you killed my father. Your Son Kill the Sheriff. And now you're framing framing and the cops were listening they're like oh boy. Got a question or it after this. Yeah they're like. Ooh maybe we. Maybe we got this one wrong Missouri's on the boat. She's like I'd rather die than live without you like they're ready to risk it all. This is this final. Mo- these final moments like I just hide my palm on my forehead because first of all all powers out. So they're like oh we can sneak by they go the gut like the Goddamn FBI. The SWAT like every everybody is in this one spot and that you're telling me they have to take that boat right past that spot like they were like Loaded the tile take us. There was no other route out of there than right past the obviously have to go right past the lights. Turn on. They get caught like you said they're chasing after him. John is basically like fuck you. If we're dying we're dying together and you don't get your daughter back They go. They have to turn into the storm. The storm absolutely takes them down the the boat flips. You're like Oh shit are these two bucking dead luggage. That is that it in my head. I know they can't be dead like this. The whole thing. There's no way and of course because this is this is television folks. They they survive. You know next Morning Robert. However many hours they've been in this water they survive. They're still together and they spot. A huge tanker ship cargo ship out in the distance. Sarah uses a one last piece of gold to reflect the sun to try and be like a signal to the boat. The boat sees them. They FLASH THE LIGHT THEY PICK THEM UP. And what do you now? The boat is going straight to the Bahamas. We're all the Golden Glow. Just like you. I was like Oh no. They did not die. I was yelling at my TV. I was like ice where to God if I do not see Sarah Giambi's faces at the end of this finale on going to lose it. I'm going to lose my shit but thankfully they're on their way to the Bahamas now You know I'm obviously. We want a second season but at this point time they sell them a second season now. Netflix has approved a second season. Which obviously will I mean? They're not dumb and yeah that actually Yup so that will happen I. I don't know what I'm rooting for. But I'm visiting Sarah in Jambi lounging by their fucking mansion pool in the Bahamas with all the way up in the first shot of season one. That will be great. I feel like I feel. I won't happen. I I feel like they're going to be chasing this gold for multiple seasons and is just GonNa be just out of their grass Waitress every time out of their grasp. I'm hoping that Ray Ward Fuckin- justice is served. I I don't know how but something's some is going to have something better happen but it was a pretty insane final episode. I think if you've got the OH. Wow that is far fetched. Yeah that's the whole point. That's that's the point yes. They survived that horrible storm and they were rescued by giant cargo ship. That just so happens to be going to the same exact place where Ward Kohl's I shop. We are for them and like I said I cannot wait until we ABC's into I hope it's average or battle. Ask and the first one like it was already so traumatic. Give me even more. I'm with you on that. And it was fantastic and I'm so excited to. I'm so excited to interview battle and chase. I mean we didn't even really we were. We kept a pretty cool. I will say as far as the love for John. He goes throughout this this recap but there are so many things. I want to say that I did not say. Do we love him? Oh of course like we said the shirts are on sale. We would die or John B. He also very much appreciate appreciates. The shirts on he reports on his story. He seem so really appreciate us. Being fans of the show and Madeleine as well An pope talked as well and they just are excited and they're excited. We'd like to show and I'm excited. They are coming on this show so that will be a lot of fun will get them to answer a lot of questions that I'm sure we all have Diaz if you have specific questions for them. Don't make them like weird. Don't be like Oh Giambi would you marry me? Because yeah you know micro say As you say John. Would you marry me because we're already going to ask him about us because we all want him to? And it's just not hang is lurking funny. No you're very right. Look I said about race. I didn't feel that much hatred toward a fictional character. Ivan felt the love for fictional character like this in quite some time. Maybe since since Lucas Scott Scott got was really like one of the first fictional characters that I really loved so much it. It's it's close to that. Really is yeah. I'm trying to think about what kind of character I like. Just as much as him. Maybe Tim Bargains Tim Tim you. Yeah that's I would think that's a good one for you. Tim Reagan's though it was kind of like. Yeah I loved him organs but you also now banging your best friend who is in a wheelchairs ex girlfriend so i. I don't necessarily think you're the best person job is to pure to two parties precious. He means a great life Yup end. He's not bad on the is not at all not even a little bit. I mean let's talk about it. It's insane it's insane. Yep exactly at ladies. You know. We're talking about friends we got. We have to reel it in. I know That's the dominant say. All right I'm done thank you. I don't know I'm trying to be done but I don't know if I could stop so by the shirts I would die for drumbeat if you would die for him because I think yeah every of pogue. Life Stephen sweatshirts on sales. Well yeah by the way people from the Outer Banks. Not Happy with me not happy with me at all about my shirts. But they don't understand talking about the show not actually the outer banks. Siam decided that it's like I mean obviously because it's this is different too. 'cause it's fiction all but like feels like when you would ask people who are really from the Jersey shore about your sure and they about the show and they just were filled with absolute hatred and I feel like people could feel that way about bank said that the actual location was not shown truthfully enough in the show but TV faith. Exactly and I think that wraps it up for the recap. I hope you guys enjoyed it and you listen to US longer than I expected. I am pretty sure that was an hour. I'm not. 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And let them know that we sent you. That's function of beauty dot com slash C. I. T. Oh we got some bachelor drama behind the scenes Madison. Happy Eater Yeah. They can't stop shading each other. And honestly that's give us the entertainment we need during this time. It seems like Madison went on Kaitlyn Bristowe. It's off the vine Pod cash-out in Brazil. We love her And she spilled some stuff about Peter and she said that she didn't you know she shaving him but she did it in a respectful way recycle shading for sure it was very nice shading like the shares there but it was like the way it was communicated. It still sounded. Nice now is like if you say an insult but in a really nice own exactly is like less of an insults and she said that Peter had been texting her just two days before he was spotted with Kelly in Chicago. Tea It is insane so first of all. She says that she also talks about how she and Kelly were like. Best friends on the show. And how obviously things are different now but that you know Peter was texting her seem like maybe he wanted to reconcile or see if they could work things out so she just she just communicated that she kind of obviously felt really weird about this really torn about it because ban two days later. There's the pictures of him in Chicago on her birthday. No less end. Wow I now and so she just continue to talk about that and obviously that got picked up. That got picked up on everything that was on. That was ever signed by Madison. Tell all interview the whole thing. She's talking about Peter. Lu- Peter did and then Peter commented on not even like off the vine post Bachelor nation scoop the Instagram mccaw posted a just off the vine recap basically and they posted clips from her on the show and they written caption Madison. Really dish. The T. Today on Oh TV. She opened up about Peter texting her two days before respond. Chicago Kelly emojis. What are your thoughts at all? She spilled Pie. Pete commented on hide. I was about to say pile peak is. I'm reading his INSTAGRAM NAME. But needs call. Pete commented on that post the bathroom agent scoop post tagging. Natty in saying you'd think you'd have a little more respect for the situation given we both know there's more to the story dot so once again here. We go like the wheel keeps spinning. It's just fucking never ending with this guy. And all of his women going on and we knew something was going on because all the girls made that tick tock all the girl tons of does appear season made that tick tock. Kelly clearly wasn't in it. Somebody commented whereas Kelly Man Matty said with our ex. Ll Yeah you could tell. They're not happy but the thing is it's hard. Obviously we know what happened with Madison and Peter. It's hard for Madison to pull the. She was my best friend card. Because you guys were both on the show competing for the same Matt. Yeah so yeah you guys were best friends but you also were competing for the same guy in the first place you know. It's not like Kelly just took Madison's man. Kelly also was competing for the same reason. It is Kinda strange that after everything. Kelly is with Peter. But you know what are you GonNa do? At that point. There is nothing. They're not going to be friends. Kelly would rather be with Peter clearly and there's just there's never been so much. He said she said I feel like in post show in a in a long time because it's just madison side of the story. It's peters out of the story. It's barb side of the story. It's Kelly side of the story like everybody has their own version of what is going on like. Madison went on talking about the texts. She received what texted Madison sent back to Peter. If she send any back obviously she's not talk about those. But maybe that's what Peter was alluding to but also Peter Maybe maybe just bite it like maybe to swallow your pride on this one. You're with the girl you like. You clearly have a crush on Kelly. Madison you guys broke broke up again on national. Tv after your mom tried to absolutely eviscerate her like maybe maybe this letter win this one letter. Just let me just take. This weight is the word of this rate. Yeah she eviscerated Barb of Viscera did her am. I not saying that read. No you probably are. I probably have been saying you're wrong this whole time. Would you say I don't I don't want to eviscerate to to disembowel somewhat deprive visser rate eviscerate. Sorry I'm just sounding it out. Yeah I guess that's the correct way to say it this serrated let's just I don't WanNa make my styles of sound even dumber let song okay. Anyway this might have been one that Peter could adjust let it slide. You know and then like the cycle would have ended. Maybe that maybe that would have been it. Now it's like us Peter going to say anything else is Madison GonNa say anything else. Is Kelly going to jump in and say something? Hopefully not just never actually never ending drama with with this group. And I'm fine with that. We are back with our listen to your heart recap. It's week two. We have Trent with us. Hey trend you're welcome of. We are excited to talk about a another episode of listen to your heart. It's GonNa. It's getting interesting. I feel like were pulling into Paradise territory and we got some good. We got some good dirt. I do want to say one thing right off the bat that I gotTA learn these names. I. I'm usually pretty good about picking the names up within the first two weeks but now we're headed in week three and they're still a couple of people who I don't know who they are so I'm having a little trouble with that otherwise I'm still on the show. I'm just having a little trouble getting to know these characters as opposed to other seasons. I feel you try and it kind of feels like we don't have to get to know these characters. It feels like this is gonNA sound me. It just feels like we're not gonNA get attached to them like we would with the other seasons so we feel as if we don't even have to remember their names. Although that's not true we will end up remembering them. I'm sure we'll get attached to them. That's just kind of what it feels like right. Now was a strange part of it. Too was the first time we saw Chris Harrison this week. He was in a different outfit that we're used to seeing and not that. He's not taking the season seriously he definitely is but something about that outfit. Was sort of like yeah. I guess I'll stop by the mansion and I'll give them a descartes and then I'm GonNa get the hell out of Ya. I thought it was like his cool music outfit. Like let's you know like oh I'm chill. I'm hip like let's all sing a song together guys. It was like it looked like neo from the Matrix yet. The jacket didn't really have a collar. I think also that was a little weird point to it but yeah it seemed like a like a Chris Harrison. Cool Guy Outfit I like and I also think that with the names thing. It's because we're seeing so much of certain people and then like none of others like we're we have gotten so much. Jamie and trevor that Lake. Somebody like Becca. Who's BECCA BEKKA? There's Louis searcy whose job really is on the show like she her. Beckon Danny back. Danny Danny days the Dylan. Danny's how I tweeted about Danny so much before I knew who it was. That people were tagging him under my tweet and he was like dude. That's meat unlike your Danny. This is a good way to introduce yourself on the show he would be in conversations with like the Jamie's and the trevor's but I would be. They would never give him like this is Dan. They got no Airtime navid guy date or anything so it's fair that we don't know these people because they've spoken for two seconds on our. Tv's we don't know them. But like you said Chris Harrison was the first to Compton he had his Alpha Don. He Added Day card. It seems like as always listen to your heart is just going to be his catch phrase for the whole season. It is the name of the show. Yeah as always very excited when he says it for some reason. I don't know it is the job. They don't yeah but on the Bachelor and the Bachelorette the not like all right here comes the Bachelorette right. Yes you but there's more not really as I was saying I was like I don't think that's right. But there's they have their own catchphrase. Chris Harrison has his own set of lines that he does for the Bachelor and the Bachelorette that he had to mix it up for this one so this is his listen to. Your heart is just him saying? Listen to your heart. It's like ladies and gentlemen final rose or ladies. The final rose. John Finals for the evening you know is just he just has to. Yes go by the books But Jamie got a day car the first day card and seem kind unfair. I mean she just had a date just like we don't want to see any of the other. People obviously shade took trevor. I was so pissed about that because why she just had a date. There's a million other people show. Give them a date card. Oh you're doing this so we have to watch Trevor Jamie together. I Know Sand Trevor. I could just see right through him. I'm like off in what I said. Last week to still stands like people were like always so hot mic. You can't see that this so-called hotman is actually extremely devious. Yeah what what are you? Waiting for? Rias rage tweets about trevor. I would just like waiting for them to happen and they happen all in a row like they were just exclamation points. Capital letters you. I LIKE TRUMP. Either either he clearly. He's not like a great person. Which we we find out but like rea- really doesn't like Dr we'll end to top it off his ex-girlfriend Sierra we discovered that she follows us on instagram and follows chicks in the office so like there has been interaction with her and Trevor Socks. Trevor Sucks Yeah. I think that I don't think he's great. And I think that I've seen that from the beginning and I worry about people genuinely. This is why I'm yelling about how much he sucks is because I worry about people who can't see through people like that. It scares me that people could just like Jamie Ball. Yes just fall under the trap get manipulated. It's like be a little more aware of the people you're surrounding yourself with. That's devious person. You could tell yeah. Yeah She's twenty one and she. She says that ever relationship. She's ever been she's been cheated on so of course she's attracted to this guy. Trevor who has a history of cheating? Yeah Jamie just like has these blinders on where she thinks. He's so good looking and he's going to be such a good musician. They should hang out all the time. He was even sound as good as Ryan like. It's so clear to them sing together and reaches American idol. Who Yeah Yeah. I'm with you on that real because they so it was obviously like a classic bachelor setup they brought in Natasha. Who's a new girl and basically had Natasha say like oh I know Scroll Friends Shady. Shit happened the whole thing and then it cuts to Jamie Trevor. On their day in Jamie's like oh. I've been cheated on in every relationship I've ever been in and it's like a slow zoom on trevor. They might as well have just put the curb music in there as it zoomed in on on Trevor. Because he was he was toast and they also set up. Poor Jamie like just makes her look bad because she's like how is he single? Oh my God every all these other girls. Their loss is my gain. I guess like she's so happy and Giddy about it when it's all just a disaster and they really don't sound good together which I feel like is going to be a huge part of this show later on is like how they actually sing together and they sang girl crush on outside. They were busing. Whatever and knock it was just. It was just not good. I got a couple of things I got one. The first is. These dates are hilarious. That like on a bachelor and Bachelorette season. Let's get in a helicopter and let's look at this beautiful scenery overlooking the water. And listen to your heart. You'RE GONNA go play on a street corner for dollar. Bill changed which is amazing to what was my other point. What was I gonNA say shoot? I lost it. Oh I on them singing my other ones. I don't know who sounds good. And who sounds bad? I hear people saying and I'm like you sound amazing. They're not good. In my personal opinion. Just girl crush is just a song that lake you can get away with kind of whisper singing like Rian. I could sing a girl crush together and it wouldn't sound that bad and we stink at second really really a great thing and no no no the whole time. When I was watching I was like Damn I could be on this show because you don't need to be a good singer like it or not. Mark Good Singer. You need to fake it yes. Some of them are definitely really talented. I think rudy has an awesome voice. We haven't really got to hear her like belt yet but I feel like she has a great voice. Blake Jamie who sings kind of? It seems like she sings the lighter pop country stuff and it's just. It's not doing it for me. I'm just like you know when you sing Aga- like it's very easy to pull off as you're just kind of talking but I just don't sounded better better with Ryan. I don't think that Jamie has the right now. Because she doesn't you can't be running around thinking you and trevor from American idol are GonNa make it and also think that you are going to succeed as a singer. You need to drop the other one and just focus on your singing because if you focus on Trevor. I feel like giving the skull pep talk about her career. But she's focusing on all these bad boys cheating on her which I guess would be good for lyrics purposes if you had to write some break up songs but she surrounding herself with were singers then she would sing with Ryan they could only our and trevor would absolutely used just jump like stopping Obama. Her he would eighty like if he knew that he could grow his career and she would be left in the dust he would do it in a second in on a millisecond. Yeah so that's that's going to be really interesting to watch obviously Natasha's friends with Sierra. She doesn't really know. Trevor should never met Trevor. And they meet they meet on the. Shell and he's super awkward because he's like you look familiar but I don't know who you are and Natasha's like I know you're acts and I know that you've been doing so. Obviously Natasha tells everybody else. It's this whole big thing and she confronts Trevor and Trevor Trevor. And Jamie eventually talk about it and Trevor said that he was emotionally cheating not physically emotionally. I like to say when Natasha came in and she said that she was from the East Coast New York. I thought I walk through the door. I did I show up there But I feel like. She was intimidated intimidate. Not She's not intimidated intimidating the end not that. I like necessarily really like her. She was needed to come in and serve shit with trevor and friend like you said the emotional cheating thing. It's just cheating is cheating. Cheated on her in. Nossa in no scenario is a guy going to be like. Oh you know it was just emotional cheating and the person on the other side of conversation be like Oh okay all right all right. That's cool almost argue. That like emotionally emotional. Cheating could be worse because like emotional. No no no but listen emotional cheating to me like if trevor has spent months and months texting some girl being like I love you so much like this has been going on and they had all these deep text messages were they were sharing their lives instead of like him getting drunk and like making out of the Girls Club and coming home and being like fucking made out with somebody in the club. Like both stink go. They're awful and terrible but like I don't know I like I feel like the long term texts with another girl behind. Their back is like a little bit more. Backstabbing either way This conversation and Trevor makes me mad about situations that having been happened to me yet like. I'm already mad at Hank for something. He did not do because these are getting planted into my brain like I just I it take it. I can't take cheaters emotionally physically. I think you're a pussy like just leave. Just leave. The he said he was this guy. Supposedly interrelationship be single. I really don't understand how hard it is for some people. It's it's mind boggling really I mean I guess people don't have the willpower like I possess and like we all do but it's just it's incredible. You just know that. Trevor was like how can? I say that I cheated but try to make it sound like I didn't and he thought of emotional cheating and he was like that's it. That's the ticket that's GONNA get me out of this. When like France? It's just cheating cheating like you still look like an ass either way. There's no way around that. So but in return worked trump. Would you say if you had to pick? Sides now emotionally physically. Which one do you think is worse? I will say the scenario. The friend laid out makes me want to lean towards emotional but there is something about physical cheated her way more. The image is in your head right like cheating you picture. Someone just like texting. That doesn't physical cheating. It's like Holy Shit. Got there naked. That's not that's not great. That's all that's very true. They both are really really shitty and they both counters cheating and trevor laid this all out to Jamie and Jamie. I bought it all. I guess she's still in on Trevor. She doesn't really seem like she's GonNa be Ending that relationship or trying to talk to anybody else. So we'll see how that goes. I don't think it's GonNa go well And then we had a few other. We had a few other dates. Chris embry went to a guitar center where they got to sit and play guitars until the end of these. I'm telling you these dates are amazing. They're amazing go player street corner all right. Let's Google Little Nearest Guitar Center. And we'll have them walk around in there in a dark closed guitar center that had to cost like fifty dollars and it was funny because they were like. Ooh Guitar Center. I would look at these all these different kinds of guitars I do. There is a certain level of fraudulent on this show. Like for instance when the First Episode Win Jamie and Ryan went to Capitol Records. They walked in. And there's these world famous like music and to Ryan's credit he knew Peja News. Like Oh these are just people these are to play for so I think these people do love music and they want to become musicians. But I'm not sure all of them are all that well versed in like the music world. That's interesting that's I mean it's also like insane because there were getting such different dates. That is so funny like you. Said Capitol records recording with with a man who has produced John. Mayer's music and then they you said. Kristen breed you could to Qatar Center to have a sing conversation like they had a conversation with singing. Donahue was Hamilton did it was very Hamilton. Like like if that's all writing music is than anybody could do it. I do it every day around my house. Is I sing to Hank. And he sings to me. We talk like this constantly your show Bam. That was the data does day do that in a Guitar Center? And you're on the shows. Spit something right now. If I could sing I would and knock but I can't but it sounds like I am right now to do to Fred. Drop something you Gotta. Change something you've got to be like an because then they started. It was like well. You know as we're talking like musical theatre Broadway. I don't know how you're feeling but I think of Bali you. I want my my singing scrub from the record. That was really tough but whatever I mean th that's it's tough for them. It's time for us. We do it all they do. I literally sang a song before about in my apartment about a pouring hot wax super giant of the first time I went to the Strip God and I was just singing about it and it was fire so it can be anything it really could and they they just did it about their feelings and that Thankfully breed did not sing the story of her fiance dumping her as she was buying her wedding dress. Because that would have been even more depressing somehow but what does he worry? I think I bought a DM from somebody saying they had something. That wasn't true. Who knows but I'm just going to go with it being true. Because that's what she's saying. And if that's the case like she had the dress in her hand and her freon don't buy imagine calling up your fiance. Honey honey. I guess we're doing it and he's like put it down. Yeah we are back at your married right. It's like it's like when you're in the store as a as a kid with your mom and you're like so excited you grab something off the shelf and you run to her and your mom just like put that back right now. I'm willing to believe it because it is like a crazy story and it's an interesting thing to hear on a show like this but there is no chance those times actually matched up like that like whoever I don't know if you've zip up the back of wedding dresses but like someone gets done zipping up your phone rings and it's like Oh shit too much like a movies. Yeah yeah these taken it. Probably she probably found. It went home told her told her husband or fiance and he was like you. Don't get it because realistically who's saying that over the phone unless he really is douchebag than I guess he is. It's possible but of course there on the fast track. They both said that they were like falling in. Love was crazy stunning. That's never even happened on like on a regular bachelor show. I feel like it's been a couple of days and both of them were like this is it. We're in love. Yeah I mean they definitely have chemistry and they've been together since the beginning which is one episode but like at no point week. I mean we kinda get the vibe that they were gonNA maybe hunker down and be the couple that just kind of rides this thing out but I did not see them sitting in the Guitar Center professing their love. One another that came out of nowhere. No definitely not and then let's see what else we had a bunch of other dates mel. I'll mention this because it ties in with the other day. It's Mel Somehow is like deeply in love with Brandon. Last week we saw Malpensa Gabe. That meant nothing because I guess she is. She loves brandon. She's like crying brands whole thing. The Flint Tom Holt on she was crying over Brandon. The thought that had was who is brandon. Who is Brandon okay? Brandon was a big character on like everybody wants Brandon. Okay all right. I know him now. I definitely knew him by the end of the episode Mel was having a full-fledged meltdown that brandon was hanging out with someone else. I couldn't get your brand in my head. Julia once Brandon Sh Savannah Brandon Mel WanNa Brandon but there is another day to other tumour dates. Sharon got day card to Julia. They went to iheartradio Valentine in the morning and they got to do a very uncomfortable interview where Sheridan said that he has kissed anybody else but Jewish kiss other people and then they saying the bones together which was nice. I actually did enjoy their duet. Cia thought they sounded great to like. That's going to be my musical opinion. This all season like they sounded really good. I remember their performance rea- They were now. It's it's not gonna come back to me. Let me try many no no friend. I'm telling you there are moments in this episode. I was not thinking about the show and pay attention to it yet. Okay well that was. That was a moment. They sang the bones mayor. Morris and it's her song but hosier also does a duet with Erin on the song and I just feel like I wonder what the Song selection processes because I feel like maybe producers are like. Here's this on your singing practice and they just pick the bones because Sheridan Kinda has like Hosur vibes sort of and they were like this'll work. You gave Sheridan like a little too much credit there. No not voice wise. Maybe like just long hair tied to be nicer about this. Show something coming over me when we talk about the show and I think it's my hatred for Trevor. I think this kind of goes on everybody. It is it's polluted your entire opinion of the show. Yeah it is. But that's okay. Because he is bad person. Yeah but you can go ahead trump. Well I was GONNA say my favorite one thing that I did remember about this. Iheartradio thing was once shared. An and Julia got done the radio. Dj on the side was like yes he was. That was awesome. That was I love. That guy he loved it loved the perform. I need more of that enthusiasm in my life. That's the only thing I remember. Yes so they had this date which was it was a good day but you can kind of tell. The Julia is like on the fence about Sheridan. And we saw that happened before the ceremony to Savannah also got a day cards. She took Brandon. They went to a jazz club. They sang fever. These two definitely have chemistry. I can I can see that but like their date with other than that was fairly uneventful. Jazz go they went to a jazz club. And they sang fever There's really nothing else more to discuss about said date and that yes. Oh everybody comes back before the Rose ceremony? Everybody's making moves. Julia had told Sheridan that she still wants to be able to talk to other. People and shared seemed very sad mel. I respect now because mel she likes Brandon. She wants Brandon way on a conversation and just fucking planted one on him and he didn't he didn't pull back or anything like you did. He kissed her but he just one for it. Let for it and also to other girl showed up at the house. Yeah you're right it happened at Marianna and Ruby. Remember Marianna because it's just my last name with an a at the end super ton remember easy green and remember a new person. Are they going to have people dropping in all season or is that just going to be that? I didn't think that could potentially be the only time who knows but ruby came in Ruby also has colored hair which was tough because mel has purple hair and be kind has purple hair pink purple Very similar so that was a hard way to to tell because you could just be like. Oh Mel zone with the purple hair. But now there's another one. Purple Hair Mel smacks pulling on a put on Brandon. It should be noted and this might be what's also feeling reas. Anger is that Ryan was nowhere to be found during the whole Trevor Jamie thing earlier in the episode. He just wasn't around which was very strange. She got so much play in the first episode and then we were an hour and twenty minutes in and he just hadn't appeared whatsoever trying to read my mind. I was going to say that there wasn't nearly enough Ryan and then I tweeted that there wasn't nearly enough Ryan and tyler quote tweeted may wrote fix this at ABC Evans. Somebody put it up on their instagram. And mentioned Ryan and Ryan was not happy with me and Tyler. He was settled down. Guys everyone deserves. Love was like Oh Shit God all right and I I was like why. Are you telling Tyler settle down like maybe you could tell me to settle down but you know that? Also it'd be like all right Ryan Camman Pal. Yeah you're not getting much like you and you're also on a reality TV show like don't don't preach about how like we're all in this for lunch. Like come on. Yeah he was like we all need love. Y'All it's like Whoa. Yeah I'm watching TV. You're like an interesting character on the show I want to see. Can I get a thank you or do you want me to now? Boot you off the show Ryan because right. Watch watch what you say. I'll say in fully a week ago. I thought that Ryan was like it and I don't know how you're threatening to sue the nozzle return the faucet off not mention. Well he doesn't want it clearly doesn't want it. It's true. Down was very similar to settle down. He did. It's probably very very funny. So let's finish off the episode. Julia told I. Can't we told Brandon that She had feelings for him still. He was pretty floored he was like. Oh I totally wrote off. Thought shared worth thing and that he had been His focus had gone to Savannah and Julia got a little look caddy she. She calls van odd and was like. I'm surprised you even like her. Which was I like Julia a lot and I think she just had a moment of weakness there but it wasn't wasn't a good luck yet. Julia that moment for Julia was that moment? I thought Savannah was going to have on this show but it turns out. Julia is a little bit but eventually like it would have boil down to is like I'm here for myself like I don't want to worry about anybody else so I'm just GonNa do me but yeah that was. That was an interesting moment from jewelry. Yeah I as. I'm just confused. Obviously Julia is confused as well. But I don't the thing is i. I like her with Sheridan but I don't necessarily blame her for wanting to play the field a little bit but she also has to see that you know brandon. He's a hot commodity. I don't really know if you could just swoop in at this time right. No you're right. Everybody wants Brandon but I guess that shows that she's not like playing it safe. She knows it. Sheridan really likes her and she could just roll with that. I also think Sheridan is maybe like not her usual type and Brandon's probably more like the guy she goes for in that that's tough for her. We did get sick. So Brandon and Julia also kissed. That's another brandon guessing. Everybody and then Ryan got his airtime for the episode and it basically was just to really uncomfortable kisses. Natasha was one of them where she was like digging his nerdy vibe and the whole the whole conversation. I was just thinking like this woman will chew him up and spit him out like Ryan cannot handle woman like role. Now I just all I could picture my hurdles like was waiting out into the ocean. I can handle this. I'm still okay. I'm still okay and then it's just going to pull him under at some point. He was like he played it cool. I will say he was like. Oh Yeah I'm kind of Nerdy. You're you don't seem to be the type of enemy. And then he got a kiss out. It was a Raunchy awkward kiss but she got her entire head in his mouth. I'm noticing that Ryan goes for the all in make out every time and I respect it because like I said in the last season of the bachelor we saw a lot of uncomfortable pecking. Yeah and I feel like it's somewhere in the middle between the pecking and the extreme makeovers where people lie. Yeah but I think these people know the inside of each other's mouths way better than past seasons like they're really going in there. Natasha went in and then rudy also was just like hey. Let me make out Ryan just to see if anything's there it was just like wish like one hundred miles. An Hour. It was like there was no easing into it. Like you gotta you gotTa ease into a make out like that when you're kissing someone for the first time and they just literally lying so fast cringing out of my body right now thinking about just making out with people for the first time. It's never ever ever not awkward. We'll that's what I'm saying like I you couldn't tell if it was maybe Ryan who went really fast or rudy. Who went really fast. But if you're on the other side of that in like somebody goes in all your brain is just like Oh God no. There's just y what you're like. Why are they moving so fast? Now I'm gonNA move so fast. This whole kisses awful. I think it's it was tough a lot in this case with Rudy and Ryan. I think it's Kinda Rudy Rudy. All is a little untethered. Sometimes I like Rudy. I think I didn't hurt Matt. I think they might be my favorite couple on the show right now. Just because it's so strange and their chemistry is bordering on like fighting and kissing and laughing but I think she could have a tendency to gonNA make outs a little like. Let's go. Yeah you're right. I could definitely see that Rudy Rudy foot. Yeah really back to Matt. They had a conversation that was just. It's just wild because rudy goes through so many emotions so fast she's like like Rudy's like Kinda hit you but ha- don't know like I love you and you're like Whoa. That was such a perfect representation of for every conversation. She has yeah. It's it's and it works like Matt is just seems to be kind of taken by the wildness I would say because the thing in the first week where there was miscommunication about matt making her on the date as opposed to. I believe he took Mel and then made up at the beginning of this episode. Which I thought was nice and then it ended and they might be the strongest couple on the show. Yeah it's too. I'm ready for those two like I don't even know what I like. I just can't tell where they're like. Singing could go or whatever but it'll be very interesting The rose ceremony. Chris and the men were giving out roses so women were going home. Chris gave his rose debris trevor to Jamie Matt to Rudy Ryan Picked Natasha. Which I I kinda thought Ryan in Mariana. Had something but you know she didn't seem to really break through any anything so he picked Natasha. Danny and Becca like I said Dan Becker have gotten zero. Airtime absolute known history couple. Yes I keep getting back exactly Brandon. Pick SAVANNAH NOT Julia. A gay picked. Ruby haven't really seen any GABE either. Rubio was new and then shared in was last and it was pretty sad to watch because like obviously Sheridan likes Julia. It would be weird if he picked one of the other girls but he knows that Julia like isn't really that into him anymore so he had to like go through the process of picking Julia and he picked Julia and then as soon as they got everybody else. Brandon pulled her aside and was later. Yeah that was. I didn't approve that that was shooting not good. You try to do that in a way that he didn't want the cameras. Delight catching very much caught it and it was seems a little scummy definitely. Yeah I feel like it's awkward now because Julia doesn't really WanNa be with jared charity shared. It had to pick her. Because who else was he gonNA pick? He didn't really talk to anybody else. But I think that's Savannah and brandon fit better than Julia and branded but now that Brandon is acting Sketchy House Savannah GonNa feel about that. Yeah you're right it's it's it'll be interesting to see. Obviously that meant that meant. Three Girls Went Home Mel and Cheyenne. Who are from the beginning and new. Girl Mariana. So they're they're sia and who knows what happens next week. I don't know if more people come in or now. They're they're even so they just had these couples may be. This is when we started to get into more of the the singing situation which I think it is because it looked like they were like the couples have their first on stage performance. You had joe telling them that. They didn't have chemistry. Yeah I mean this is A. It's a six week show. We gotta get into the music thing at some point. I mean we're two weeks exactly and I think Chris Ayres Denise say like tomorrow everything changes so yeah. I think this might be the couples. These might be the people that were going forward with. And it's GonNa get more musical as we go to the final weeks. I just love that. It seems like we're just GonNa get past bachelor and Bachelorette people to come in and judge these people on their singing. What grounds do Joe Joe and Jordan have to should judge these people on their musical talents? Maybe it won't be musical. Maybe just be more like chemistry wise. But it'll be funny. It'll definitely be funny. Oh before we end Wanna say that RIA tweeted at Mills Robert Mills and said rob if you ever WanNa get if you ever want to set up one of these dates you know. Sheridan Julia went to the radio station. You're going to set up one of these dates where they come on chicks the office. You know we're we're ready to go. And he had a very firm response that that will happen in the future and he said the F. Word. I feel like he doesn't do that. He said. Mark My fucking words you know what Rob I am marking your fucking mind. I am living proof that Robert Mills you know. He may he what he promises he delivers on. He said I could do the luggage. I was the luggage guy. So he's one for one with me and if he did like yeah like where they bring a day. Two chicks hoarding dates. I would lose my mind. That would be a credible. It would be amazing. I would ask. We would ask the most uncomfortable questions I would tell us what to say. Which is you you tell me what to do. Just put me on the damn show anything anything really YEP. I'm very excited. It would. Hopefully I mean he said Mark my words so we'll see but okay. Thank you very much for joining us for our. Listen to your heart. Recap and we'll be back doing week three next week. A few what you are Thursday feel-good segment. We have a couple stories. We WanNa talk about some great things first off. Tom Holland spider man. Peter Parker really video. He surprised bill Bill Kimmel Jimmy Kimmel's son for his birthday. He was turning three and it really. Doesn't that make you laugh a little bit? Billy Kim. All Billy Kimmel should be like a seventy eight year old man. It just sounds like a fake name like Billy. Kimmel should not be three years. I really is a grown ass man. Yeah yeah as a full nine to five job totally totally and but billy super super cute. He loves spider man and Tom Holland was on Jimmy. Show and after speaking with Tom he said L. could use you know. Surprise my son. He loves spider man and he put on a little red mask and whatever and spoke to bill it was really cute because he's emmys turning three like he's still very small beauge just see on his face and he got really excited. Shy and Jimmy's older daughter who seems like a picture like she was like that Spiderman so ready to fuck in own the show and it was. It was very cute and Tom Super Sweet. What what I also have about this is Tom like. I mean. This is really a stupid thought. But he did the whole interview in his British Accent Right. And then you know he puts on the thing he spiderman. Happy Birthday is like. Hey happy birthday billy. It's me part. Peter Parker like and his his his Peter Parker Voice. I'm like wow seamless. Well Yes Fred. He is an actor. Meanwhile it's just that's just a skill I don't have like I mean y you're not doing that correct correct but I just I really enjoyed it and the video is really really cute. And it'll just one of those barricades videos that you'll enjoy watching Number two McDonald's is giving out free meals to healthcare workers. Now I know. Obviously people say McDonald's not the healthiest choice. But sometimes you just want. Mcdonald's like eat healthy for many. Sometimes you just want McDonalds. So the McDonald's CEO announced that they will be doing thank you meals which are special happy meals to first responders healthcare workers and police officers. Which is they already did it. It's come sane is like it's going to happen tomorrow but it started today for the next two weeks. We're going to be thinking first responders and giving them a free meal at McDonald's CEO said on breakfast lunch dinner coming up. Mcdonald's if you're a first responder show your ID or work badge or whatever and we'll give you a free meal we're going to put it in a happy meal box but instead of a toy. You won't get the trolls toy you'll get a thank you note from us who maybe somebody would want the trolls twain. But that's very nice. It's a nice gesture for McDonald's sometimes and I could see it if these people have a long day at work. Obviously it's crazy crazy. What's happening right now? And maybe they're just craving a mcchicken and they'll get it for free right shouts McDonald's. Yeah whatever happens to be able maybe not get delivered here. Somebody tell me please Raw we are here with a very special guest Bob Saggy. He has been on the show before we are very excited to have him back. I gotta say it feels comforting having you in my home right now. I don't know if that sounds weird but I feel comfortable. I'm appreciative of that. And it's in your home near that poster of Boehner Dogs. Yes listening Boehner dogs if you listen to. Pmt then you know. Owner dogs is Hopefully you know. Listen Adam Sandler He. He said he would think about it. Maybe it will be a movie. One day I don't know suppose is bound to be a movie poster right. They've already first steps already done. Make the poster and attach actors names to it. That don't know what it is. And maybe they'll just do it because they see their name on the poster and pocketbook over your shoulder so that'll be exactly. It's just like the no quote but it's the pocket book. Yes Rwangabo. Welcome to these to our homes. Bobby had spent about like a one year since the last time you were on our show so it's almost to exact debt one year so it's crazy that we're here now doing this from our homes to weird. It's weird but it's wonderful. I mean you know I I get to see a bed behind you. Really subjectively scary. Is that like motel? You're you're at a family home. Yes and I'm on exactly my man cave if that's what you WANNA call. I don't know I don't have a maintain that this might might. What is this is that you're you're you're Dan. It's no Dan's over this study. This is this is. This is not a big house so he has multiple radically Daddy. Dan Bathrooms which is really hard. Because I like to use all of them when I go and of course you don't want to leave one of them out. No it's a religious alpha. You asked us if we were with our boyfriend. I live with my boyfriend. So we're in our apartment together. That's going fine. Fran is with her boyfriend at his house. Long Island and you said your with your wife Obviously so how's that going? It's it you know it's been amazing and then I acted like a jerk a couple nights ago so then I you know couple couple hours of apology and we don't end up sleeping apart. Some couples I know like I was on the couch last night or I went to another bed. Rumor whatever or I stopped in my trunk And I know we're we're good. It's a good test this thing for. I think a lot of people are going to get out of this and getting split up or a lot of people are gonNA go. Oh my God. Let's renew our vows or where let's have a baby or something really google or great but now we're getting along good. We figured out our our what our duties are which. I never thought I'd be that. We're have to outline okay. I'll do the trash. I'll do laundry. I'll do the cooking and you do. The energy does the cooking in the You cleaned up really you know what's your experience with that honestly Since my boyfriend works at the same company and he does the same thing I do. Except he's a producer he produces podcast on talent. No big deal. But he but he he understands like we understand our schedules in like what we need to be working may in content. We can help each other out with that and also I think just like knowing when to spend time together in also spend time apart. Because I feel like if you're spending every second together then you obviously are gonna WanNa kill each other like hey. I'm going to watch this show in there. You Watch your show in there. It's all good. Yeah and that's what we've been doing. We were both were still binging together. Which is good. Because you kinda stopped talking you sit there. Watch things so everything I. It's a good way to. It's a good way to do it. I mean I'm in a house so it's Nice 'cause we do have that also. We can young go into separate rooms and during the day. We're working on different things but we started Sopranos at the beginning of locked down. And now we're already at season five just season five but yeah it's like you know you come together at the end of the day and you're like all right. Let's watch a couple episodes and then we'll go to right. We did the pandemic viewing which is a tiger king. This shows are shows that that might have broken through no matter what but I- he and really helped tiger king and also love is blind which I didn't WanNa Watch. I said I'm not watching. This is not my kind of show. I couldn't stop a Kelly was freaked out. She was like what I gotta finish watching this horrifically. How do you propose through a wall and now in real luck ran? I watched every episode as well so right and then I went okay. I need something sophisticated. We've been binging the crown which is not about a dentist. It's about it's actually the queen. It's actually the queen's ninety four th birthday today wow yeah that'd be birthday to the clean ninety four I don't know how into a teen dramas you are or like murder mystery lesson. I've been working the show into every conversation. I have 'cause they can't stop thinking about it. Show Outer Banks on net flicks if if you WANNA bench teen drama murder. Has It all a plus watched all ten episodes in one day? Just to reality. Show no show okay. So it's not like a. Is it a lighter? Version OF EUPHORIA. Kind of but like. I mean just eight. It's it's it's in the Outer Banks. It's very like more rustic more beach town you four years like city in gritty yet it's bt but there's also like like. I said like murder involved says hunt. Yeah and it tries to hunt. They're mixed with national treasurer at the same time. Yeah awesome okay. I want about think about it. Just who the liars that you read a little memes on that say. I finished Netflix snow. You didn't impossible if you made me. You're not smart enough to finish net flicks right right. If there's it's there's absolutely no way entirely impossible. Actually you don't have. Nobody could ever head. No it has to be the matrix that has to be checked but the back of the head. Oh I got major I got I got you know Netflix. Sorry I'll be over. Yeah last night. Start you guys. I was like exhausted in bloated and sitting there at sea turtle. I don't know what I was doing now. I'm already a knowledge shape where things are going. Good you know you have amputated. That's that's we don't have to see him exactly. I'm sitting on a broomstick you you. You're obviously doing this. Press two are right now for your new podcast which is clearly different than every press tour you've done in the past. Do you prefer getting to just call in from your own home instead of actually traveling everywhere as you guys know there's advantages and disadvantages of pandemic is. It's a nightmare and that we're losing people and then I have friends affected and do you guys have people affected. Do you know people just your heart just drops and you WANNA go album. I have a daughter Brooklyn daughter in downtown New York and the one downtown. Deers teaches yoga. Online's walking around the other one charter mood because I had the legs him on a room. Stick number my uncle that of but my other does in Brooklyn and people in Brooklyn still partying and night. You know. Social distancing doesn't show them on the news 'cause just did not and then of course Jacksonville's now open the beaches. Are you know which is like in jaws? It's like the mayor telling Roy Scheider get those people in the ocean. This is a tourist Occasion is our time Sir and then everybody gets eaten so I don't think that's GonNa Happen. I think it says weird but doing it from home for me. I mean I've got here. I've got the board here you know I've got I've got like my podcast board and I'm very nice. Harry a special. Yeah it's it's very it's official. That's that's what I am. I WANNA be official so badly. But it's what what's great about it is. I'm still getting to talk to people care by. Turn it up. Hold Up. I'm recording. That's great on your show. That's fine are what are what Jason the office on my podcast. To be on your podcast. It seems like it's going to happen. I mean if you're of course okay done but it's weird because I wanted to do this before the end of the year. I didn't want to podcasts forever. 'cause every kid across the street's got one you know everybody has where ups guys got one. The box about melodrama. Oh My God is a dad joke of soap. Rowdy myself honestly. You didn't even know you were saying that. Right now honestly. I just thought about how my brother like texted me. Once he want to create a podcast about the drama his Jim I was. Nobody cares for you. Isn't it crazy? Oh my God you you've got. We do a Sitcom about where I work. I'm an accountant. And it's really good and it cites Office and they got it just had people talk about spreadsheets or a hard drive. I don't know what the how do you break the Arca that season but but back to this whole thing I wanted to do. I've been doing standup. I was ready to do a whole tour. Right now That would have been and I was going to do a special my new special which is really different than anything I've ever done. It's kind of sometimes bluish but it's more of a software arts were. I don't know it has more feeling to it because there's been so much division and I don't like math number. They'd been so many. That are just so angry and I'm sick of it. You know and as got really tired of it so I was going on tour and then I was going to go podcasts because it went I wanNA do some of the people together so I- titled Bob Sagi- here for you. Isn't that horrible to say your name? Title Your Yeah so I was confused. I was like do. I say it's called here for you or do I save colleague Bob Exile fires fan like. Hey guys. Don't worry Bob Savage here for you exactly. The first episode is why. I think that I haven't Batman Complex because I'd try to help Eddie but try to help my core group. You know my family. My my drug dealer on my doctors minorities same runs that I can remember but celebrate for twenty years yesterday. Well that was the launching thing so I did but I'm not a pot one. I just I GET NEUROTIC DOOR. But then they said no man. This is strains that are good for you. I see yeah but they're called strains and and there are pots named after me That's named after you pods marijuana's named after as little plants all scattered. They all have little are all named Bob. No if Google is sagging sativa his actual probe and I get no merge and Leonardo dark this knew about it and I was upset. And he's like it don't matter he's happy you know so huge but no and I don't do edibles because that keeps me locked in syndrome has all the whole pie. I Don Hung so yeah. How about you guys? Is that mood soon? I partake I would say often friend not as much not as Yeah I don't know it's just been something I've been doing since I was fifteen and it. It doesn't make me doesn't make me feel anxious. It makes me feel the opposite. I feel calm. I feel happy. It also like this is crazy to people but when I smoke I like WANNA go out. I WANNA dance and people get the opposite reaction where they're like when they smoke. They want to sit on their couch and not do anything. Where like I can go both ways with it. I'm like that from the past. I mean in my early twenties. Spur few years of smoking all the time And I do something I do all the time. So that's why it's good that not also London for even for me because I had asthma as a kid that makes real popular walking around with your inhaler a running the wrong way on the football team. 'cause you can't breathe you know. Megan Megan a scoring for your for the opposition. That's wrong team. Seems like good memories are coming back for you Bob. It's really bringing a pot but but the but the Ford Twenty launch was fun and I'm doing three shows a week right for the first two weeks. I'm doing Monday Wednesday Friday and Friday's a special guest That you guys the no and I. I can't say who it is name is John and but and I know I'm a really long time because we didn't share together but I can't promoted or K. But we'll just have to take a guess we'll have Esau that WHO that is definitely not John stamos somebody God I sure somebody else. Well that's coming up also so I mean I've got the shows interesting. Had done something. That happened organically soon as we started. We did two episodes. We could do in studio studio seventy one is doing it and and then I couldn't do it there anymore. Just happen and the head of the whole division brings the whole kit for me. That's how crazy it got. 'cause we had launched and I started recording and I started putting up a number on instagram twitter. And it's in the menu where people can call you know it's on. What are we supposed to say? Is you can download for free at apple podcasts. Is that what you say? Yes Yup and you can string on stream on spotify while I believe yes. I think Friday spotify in a big way and you have. Everybody has an embargo but apple has been good to me because I really love getting music on their love apples of Yup so I ended up calling people have them leave a message and say hey between one and four tomorrow call people and they sit around weighty Anima Block numbers and some people. Don't answer so it's really embarrassing. Excuse rain but I'm leaving it in the podcast. Because that's what you do and I don't want to end it once we rea- but I called him. I called one guy last week. And he was so stoned all old time and he told me a heart is life was because he was from Iraq. From seven years ago we moved to the United States and house parents did give them a better life and their citizens and who scary going to be a war and then but he's laughing the entire time for thirty five minutes. He's telling me this stuff and then I talked to like nurses that lost a patient and one woman said our sons autistic. And I'm like. Oh my God where I'm not gonNA find. This is not a joke moment right. Then I'll be there phillip. I mean I'm trying to listen. I'm not a therapist but I've had a lot of it and I'm not any of these fake TV doctors. If I had a degree I wouldn't be doing what they're doing coming up a lot of trying to help. I don't know who don't know who to believe right. Look right now Fran looks like she's a prostitute. She's being out captives. I and she's got the bed. Go Hail record the whole thing. Let's go baby. Leave your money in the in the mailbox on the way out any anything you can do to make a buck nowadays right. Hey I'll do it one time. I did did I. What did I do as something for something? I can't remember longtime ago hot movie. I was a kid but But so I call people and then other episodes I got people like John Stamos John. Mayer Tiffany Haddish MacAulay. Culkin Howie Mandel. And I've been talking to. How Am Bill Burr over? Say how is how is. How are we handling all this right now? He's been? Ocd His whole life. Yes wrote a book about it and it gets we go deep on it. I mean I think it was like a ninety ninety ninety minute minute. Nineteen hid cast. We did a Piss pot together. He didn't touch himself because he can't 'cause he's got that thing but he was talking about his dilemmas in his life and I told him he's a pioneer that he's a prophet. I mean he's the one that started doing this when he touched people. But that's still dangerous. Can't do that this year face after you do that. Yeah NO NO NO POUNDS. No pound all over test bumper over. But that's that's a guy thing pretty not always. Well it's Kinda like and I feel like people have been saying this to you all the time. Now Danny Tanner was kind of the model for this. Just A NOTCH ASLI cleaning at all times we are now all Danny Tanner. That's what I and I even posted it away with kind of blew up and winds up all over the news. That's the world. Is You know it's over so people want to? That's the news but got nothing else to talk about. Sorry or is absurd get admits. He's Danny Danon Pass. We did that video that went viral. You can't say Enviro it went back to. Wow I'd never even thought about that now. Yeah of course Danny. Tanner would think that I would it read. That even sounds dangerous. No yeah the wind bacterial because you can cure but stamos it was. Jeff Franklin's idea created the show and then he had the whole cast. It was the funny part was texture out and then I made a video. We read the credits with John. Have like a big group chat. You all discuss these time. Yeah Dave has some book you wanted to promote long group chat. It's it's just a lot of people that are doing this. I know other people from casts of shows that have been John Krasinski been doing some amazing stuff of different people from the office and he's been amazed. This thing that thing he did with the Hamilton cast was like. Yeah you know we have been talking about. His showers been has been great and he did again to and yet in my podcast is like it's the same thing I've never been. It has to do output a more working person but I have. I WanNa make people feel better. Which sounds really weird. Because I'm not a licensed Masud's but it's a nice thing to do. I had my daughter. She called me and I can't put you on the podcast. And she went okay and we just talked about how like the New York is for her and I'm sure it may it. It's the same rea- you're in New York proper right. Yeah I'm in New York City right now in downtown Tribeca area And I mean I don't either balcony. Go out there but I try not to go on the streets at all honestly terrified a guy really. Don't even want to go to the store. And even if they lift it all and they say hey stage one stage two. I don't care I'm not going out there and I might be able to get the test the tells you if you had it already but then you watch Chris Cuomo and he tells you he had it any got tested positive so positive. Negative so wrong. You know it's it's really crazy how it's affecting so many people so differently. I know two of my friends have it and my cousin had it and my cousin came back positive and then now she's negative and it was like you know what I mean. Click she was sick for like a week. Now it's over Back negative this time around so i. It's really mind boggling. How it's affecting so many different people where it's like okay. This person was positive. And then when you check them again they're supposed to be like negative but yet they're still positive they don't know what's going on right. Yeah Yeah and that's the scary part and I don't even think I think right now we're in pandemic two point zero because one day it'll be like cloverfield a cup that's terrifying. What what a great reference. Though I am Cloverfield is a movie that my actually my dad watched all the I. It's actually a great movie and Abrahams. It really started the whole thing with his amazing career over John Goodman Cloverfield Lane. Yup I mean is something about it. There's somebody out there but yeah I thought it was germ warfare. I I just thought somebody attackers and then people try to suit a lot of people that are famous. Try to soon. Did the amazing video and a lot of people. I know are angry that they weren't in it so they try and then like like friend. Jim Norton Comedian. He Jim Been On. Your show has not now Jim. Jim said that video really choked me up because after I saw hug myself I was GonNa ask what you actually thought about that video because obviously was brutal we got his brutal and our company made like a parody of it. I don't know if you saw that but we all just huge barstool fan across the board. It's when you run funny I just have to check. Something is supposed to talk to your compadres that I don't want to but I have to. Which one's the AFC wait five minutes? What are they at one one PM Literal Heaven You now? Kevin doesn't have any kids to watch after right now but good for the kids Yeah I I think it's came from sincerity and from people that genuinely care and it doesn't really matter what anybody Zaentz just you know. Everybody wants to bash. I hate the word celebrity to begin with people. You got celebrities. It's like what are they gonna cut the ribbon at the market you know. Are you an actor you writer or are you a artist or what are you? You know. You're famous okay. So you're a celebrity. I you're like I'm not. That's the C word to me. I would rather be always comedian. Use an act aries director. So I've been working more now than I've got a movie. Were developing right now. That people would be very excited about a Canon announced. But if you'll have me back when it when we I'll probably be in person by the time the damn thing gets done yeah wait. I can't wait to be able to. We can't wait to be able to get back to normal but it's never. I don't think it's ever going to be normal. I know we've had that conversation of bunch to that. This is just something that will truly just change. The course of of everyone's lives down. Think anybody will really go back to living the way they did. I know myself like out in New York City in a bar or whatnot my brain. I'm always going to go to like. Oh God what am I touching touch other people and and I think that's going to be stuck with us for a very long time what you know. I know my wife's like that. She she really get an airplane when we have a Whiteson wife every everything because now they're doing it professionals. They're coming in and doing what they should've been doing. Becau- cats at cold just by holding the bathroom door in the airplane. But I've a friend George Wallace. He's a comedian. He's been around a long time and he tweeted that he was upset. Because he now he's GonNa lose all the Great Bat recipes that he had you could grill deep fry. Made is all the different ways to prepare them. Then he goes and what not and that regula laugh. It suggests it's real tough time even more division people. Don't believe Real Bob. I do want to say that. Obviously people are staying occupied during this time and a lot of people have turned to tick tock for that and I was on tick tock and I was scrolling. My for you page. And there's your wife and she's doing her famous relative check. I you when you got a a hot tub or something was I was like. Wow that was the last person I expected to see on on. Tick Tock right now. I've been enjoying it. I'd see they're doing so. Yeah thank you Bob. Well honestly the fact that you notice. That makes me feel amazing. Our thank you honestly. People people have been living. But the fact that Bob just said that he watches it. I'M GONNA keep working Danson when I go to Dance Caravan. Del Looks like the best dancer in the world. Compared to me but I do step on there. I actually did a thing for the challenge. Where you WANNA shake your head and I I just last thing was posted my wife posted and cutting your hair and I did. A angle was real like four inches off and she said I thought six inches of the punchline is glad she thinks more inches six inches wonderful. It's best you can never get tired of those jokes. Get in over again so I can do nothing but those jokes exactly. Oh Man. Well you're going to keep making talks. I hope yeah I like it. I got a million people so somebody said Oh you should announce that no. I'm a man of a certain aides. This thirty five but they can't help that but Yeah I'm not GonNa hit this ball you know. Sit here so there you go. That's your announcement that oh I did it. Online soups federal right. But the thing. I'm doing what you're doing. You try to make people feel better you doing it your mom. Wow this is kind of a Downer but it gives you somebody look forward to but also people are loving that you're doing so that's Kinda where I'm coming from with this thing. I'm trying to be funny. I'm not trying I are funny. I think so. I mean that's one of the things I'm really secure in but as you should be right. I mean a done a long enough. Somebody will dig it. They're like some rate. I've never I don't like to look at though it's different when I got a podcast. Those as having negative. But you know they haven't seen it. It is Lana Go. Hey and then they write fx Q. MG L. K. They have a seizure as they're hating you. Yes it's just the Internet like if you think about it before the Internet was around who you weren't getting reviews all the time from people you were never supposed to have access to this. Many people giving their opinion. I A bad reviews from fifty year-old man that needed full house and the video show and there was no there were no. There was no youtube but I did the video shows. So I'm like I don't like thinking how old I am. It's really weird. I was your outlet Crotchet S- or and Barciela nothing but crotchet since constant and I am so hooked on still president say on Daves pizza frozen pizza. I mean it's insane. It's so funny and gold mid suicide. He cut his thumb on. It's like I mean he's a purist in this medium which is gonna be so there's a whole new world coming and yeah zoom. The makes a whole lot out of nothing and it's quite impressive. It's really funny. It's like a microwave. Import only cared about pizza and didn't talk politics but Michael rambles in the same angry way but days really angry and he's got nothing box boom Shaka rappaport because Michael rapaport nice sauce. That's not right. Barstool employees more simply and then we had to fire him. I never knew there. I've always liked like it was really good actor. And he's got a niche for what he does but it definitely is. Is that one place. Yeah it was Dave and David Michael under one roof seem like a good idea but in actuality it was not right just fair you could see them having a similar kind of a New York. Kind of angry tab thing but Dave is. Dave really good at this and and really get this thank you. Who've I think the podcast almost two years almost two years in July yeah and then the just chicks often in general I think almost three years now but yeah feels crazy. The two years of meals like it was way sooner than that. But Damn Yeah you put out good. Thank you all really played you bob and where can you let everyone know to check out your podcast and everything you're doing right now? It's here for you Bob Segments here for you is on you know it's free You can subscribe on Apple podcasts. And it's really easy to do. It's right on your phone. It's crazy and then it'll be it's everywhere else too. It's where all podcasts are doing. Three Week Monday Wednesday Friday a for two weeks and then I'll go to money Thursday until the end of time and we don't want it now so that's the same as our schedule so everyone listening. You know you can listen to the office on Mondays and Thursdays at nine. Make sure to listen to Bob. Sabatier for you on the same day is backed back. Then I think you guys I they. They've issue because you guys and then they need more content or over to the The weird it's not like I'm giving out dad advice you know it's undisputed me and that's what you guys do. We usually have that ability and not be obnoxious. I'd like that people can call you so if anybody a all our listeners. If you WANNA talk to Bob. There's a phone number you can call and you could be on his show having a nice conversation with him and I'll call them. Sometimes people have to wait around but right now it's perfect 'cause they are. Yeah so what else you have to do. Besides call Bob guys and get a good laugh. Clean a toilet. That's about it anybody any my listeners. Do Not Clinton toilets so probably not hours. Either to be. Honest will thank you guys. Thank thank you Bob. The take care of everything. I'll see you next time I see it. It's GonNa be impersonal definitely. So that'll be really really fun. All right thanks Dave. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks all right. That wraps up. Today's episode of chicks in the office. We thank you guys for listening. We hope that we keep entertaining you during these hard times once again. 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S2E29: James McCrae, Author of Sh#t Your Ego Says and Creative

No Ego

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S2E29: James McCrae, Author of Sh#t Your Ego Says and Creative

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You know? I think I'm not sure how I got connected. I think I just was super enjoying your Instagram feed. All the means and reached out, but we might have a mutual friend is quad silver fund biggers rings, a bell. I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure it is something to do with Instagram. Maybe someone shared something of minor or something along those lines. But. Is so often the case in today's world we met online, so. The. That my girlfriend, so, you know, very very days. Line. So great, Tom. You've been called Eckhart totally of the internet without a high compliment. Yeah. I mean, you're telling me, it's he's one of my influences as a writer and a thinker. And I'm sure a lot of what I write about in terms of the ego was influenced by reading his work. You know, so many years ago. So yeah, the comparison is not necessarily. Earned. But it's sure as if the compliment. I'm confident that was soon as you'll figure out why he's called out after our conversation. I knowing your means I picked up your book and took it with me. I was on the recent you'll get retreated Saloum, and was she could see the physical books because I put hearts by quotes, I love, and I underline it got to the point where my my underlying kind of Rian out on the beach, and I had to go page holding. And it was a really ridiculous thrilled to have you with me because my list, I would talk a lot about. Moving beyond ego. And one of my favorite quotes is the rooming says out beyond the idea of right doing wrong doing there is a field on meet you there. And we really try and give our listeners just wonderful, ideas techniques strategies stories about on Huddah get there, and I just fell in love with your story. So that's why I want to start. How did this book even come about? Do you wanna give us the the story of you had a big plan and bad timing? It sounds like are, absolutely. I mean, I have been wanting to write a book for as long as I can remember and been planned planned to do it in some future place. I grew up in a very small town in Minnesota and writers or who I was always drawn to. So right. You know, reading poetry and novels and history and philosophy and religion all all kinds of books that I could find from very young age and. Never really had any formal training as a writer, you know, in in a small town in Minnesota. It's not something you can necessarily plan a career around. There wasn't a whole lot of kind of, you know, literary, you know, education in that area. But I always just kind of sensed that writing and and writing a book or or or multiple books was something that the universe had in store for me. And I just kind of that plan on hold as my life kind of got busy and took over, you know. So I think what happened to me is the same thing that happens to so many people in the world. I was a young creative child who. Lard exploring love imagination creativity. And then as I got older, you know, what happens when we get older, and we have those those those childhood dreams. Well, the world kind of gets in the way reality kind of gets in the way, and we need to find a way to make a living. We need to. Career we need to meet certain social expectations based on the society that we lived in. So, you know, for me, I ended up working in the industry, and I got in the our touching industry kind of through the back door. I was a creative. I went to design school and ended up having a job as a designer in advertising industry, and I kind of was successful and my career started growing, and I transitioned from being just a designer to being more of a a strategist for brands and. Was granted a few times. And before you know, what I'm I'm I'm kind of an account executive for for for big brands and all the space that I had held for creativity in my childhood and all of the the dreams I of had for myself. It was they were kind of replaced by the rat race of the nine to five growing my career the competitive nature of the advertising industry. And this was this was in Minneapolis. So it's not exactly like New York City where I am. Now, it's pretty competitive nonetheless. And I just felt myself very disconnected from. From our dreams, frankly from everything that I wanted to do as a child. So I kind of reached a breaking point and year-by-year I started getting further and further into this career that was making me money, but it wasn't making me fulfilled. So. So many of us Rights Common. It's you have to work really hard to escape your destiny. I think if a lot of energy into not becoming what you thought you would as as a little kid I two I grew up in a tiny little town. And I always thought that would rights, and I remember going to the library and checking out they don't really check out to works. I would panic in finally booked rule for me like will let you take four at a time. And so his last similarity there, but I think you do I think you talking book to there's two choices in life. You can go kind of the ego route which is external make the money by the income all the half twos, or you can go the more sacred routes tracks you hit that breaking point. Exactly. And those are the two broadcast people can take and unfortunately, all the signposts along the way are pointing to the. The path of the ego. The path of. Ego satisfaction. Momentary feel good happiness. Having better things in your neighbors. All this over guide posts in society are the mainstream guide posts are are pointing in that direction. So most of us kind of go on that road. And then before we realize the mistake that we made were deepen. And the more the ego collects the more fear. It can generate in my opinion because the more you have to lose. If you may if you do go follow the path of your heart right is like the further done that you get the more ammunition. The eagle has tuck you out of what you might have just been wanted to do. Yes. There are a great metaphor by by some zen writer. And it's about there's two goals in in in the world. One is basically the ego and the other one is basically the soul, and these wolves are in constant battle with each other. And. Someone asked zen master. You know, will which will wins in the end. And then master said whichever wolf you feed. So. If we feed our ego and strive to satisfy it, it's just gonna grow stronger and stronger, but if we feed the soul and dedicate ourselves to some kind of you know, you call it, a spiritual path you don't have to call it that you could call it a path an inner path or path purpose, but when you feed that and look for opportunities to grow that. Then that's the wolf that grows. But very something's growing inside of you just a matter of what you feed it. So there's so many ways that having never met and this happens with great inspiration. Right. That people right from similar standpoint. Similar every somewhat. Fun about that is is the metaphor. I ended my second book quest in Neo just pointing that out that may we feed may we feed the one with light. Although we here in the midwest. I was just to as a cheer key story like all good lessons. We hear from many many different places. So you're at this pivot point, and you get really big and bold you go for it. Basically. I always just had this inkling about moving to New York since I was young and discovered the writers in New York. Whether it's Allen Ginsberg or JD Salinger Joan Diddy n or William Burroughs or Bob Dylan, Patti Smith, all these great writers that I kind of discovered had had had gone through New York all the way back to Walt Whitman and her Herman Melville, and it just seemed to me like a place where writers were because I didn't know any writers around me. So again, as a something I always had planned for myself. But was just set aside, as you know, it became unrealistic because I had a an apartment and a job in all of this life built up in Minneapolis, which the Apple's is a great city, by the way, I still love it very much. But there was this calling. I had inside of of needing to be in New York. And I I realized that like if I kept putting this off. And kept down the path. I was on. I knew that ten years fifteen years twenty years was going to go by the blink of an eye. When we don't make a change we blink. And we are decades into a life. We. Intend to choose. So. Yeah, I knew I had to do something. So I basically sold and gave away my possessions gave up my apartment quit my job. I was in a relationship that was not going anywhere. And that ended as well. And I cut all the ties that were kind of keeps me where I was and just took a leap of faith, and I trusted the universe to kind of guide me in the right direction and bought a one way plane ticket to. To New York City and. Didn't have a lot plan into. You know arrive and see what the spirit led me. So to speak. And it's a struggle to to live in New York. I mean, everyone knows that everyone knows it's not exactly a cakewalk to move here from the midwest from anywhere. And I was struggling to make ends meet. I was applying for a bunch of jobs that are like all your career experience is in places. We've never heard of because you're not from around here. And I wasn't having any luck. Finding a job or even finding the right apartment and was running out of of money fast. And basically, I finally found an apartment and. I was I was scheduled to move in on a certain day in late October of twenty twelve and the day before I was going to move in. Hurricane sandy New York City, which was the biggest storm in the history of of New York and. There is huge flooding everywhere and many buildings and apartments were underwater, including mine. So are just arrived in New York. I just arrived in New York was struggling to find my way and just like that. I was homeless. Verse. And at least in the middle of the story is seems like the universe kicked in the cheese. Exactly. I mean, I just been reading before I moved read. All right read. The alchemist by the famous book by by Polokwane low. And there is a quote, I'm gonna paraphrase is something around. You know, like move in the direction of your dreams and the in the universe will conspire to help you. And that's kind of the, you know, a spiritual or self-help kind of mantra as you know, the universe has your back the universes. Will support you meet you halfway? So I thought I'm going to take a bold action and moved to New York, and I'm going to trust that the universe is gonna meet me halfway, and that's when the hurricane happened, and I'm like, well, thanks universe. This. This is an halfway this is how this is all the way back. You know, we often do some of this. We don't realize, but we make transactional. That's even in my world. How my ego plays me. It's like, okay. We're going to be as you're now. It's not working rather than realizing that that whole agreement with the is transformational my mom used to say is all good in the end or it's not the end. That's a great one. Exactly, we don't always know. What is best for us? Prog progress is never linear. We think the road to success is this like upward path. And it's not an upward path is a straight line at all. It's it goes left and right up and down and meanders around and then back down and then up again. And when you look back on your path, it kind of makes sense. But in the moment, it doesn't make sense in the moment. It can be scary. The moment it can be confusing. The moment it can seem like you're going backwards. But we can't always see you're going forward. That's just that particular road has a detour here and loops back around. So it's important to like, honestly, not to take too much to take too seriously wherever you are because it's all just stops along along road. And you're not done yet. For me. I noticed that those times where. I lose a lot seemingly lose the line. You can lose anything. But. It's kind of like Janice Joplin som- Bobby McGee lake freedoms. You know, what you have when you have nothing left to lose. Because in that moment, you kinda doubled down. You like, let's this is this is horrid was to something really crazy with their less money. That's kind of where I was I had very little money left and. You know, sometimes people come into your life, and and, you know, our guide so to speak, and my friend was also in the same boat as me he also lost his apartment in the hurricane. So he had a friend who had his empty little cottage on the small Caribbean island called Kool-Aid bre. And. Neither of us knew where we were going to live. You know, we were both homeless, and it wasn't exactly easy to find an apartment in the aftermath of hurricane sandy. It was kind of kind of chaos. So he started my friends had. Hey, listen. I I know a friend. There's this little beach house the little cottage in this lot Highland want. You say we go there, and and figure it out, and I had nothing to lose. I had nothing in New York to keep me there. I hadn't even any little find a job. So we both bought one way plane tickets to this little Caribbean island, seventeen miles east of Puerto Rico and. You know, I was next thing. You know? I find myself on this beach this beautiful white sand beach called Flamenco beach and collaborator isn't an island like other crib? Aeon islands or there's a lot of gory. It's very remote. There is probably maybe thousand residents locals. And I really had this whole beach to myself and day after day out go there and just meditate just sit on the sand in N just sit there and be alone with my thoughts. And there's something about silence that really is. It's on comfortable at first, but it really creates the conditions of inspiration and revelation. Because. Actually got to get quiet. A lot of people in touch him about this part of the mind that I couple my his ego. They just can't hear it or see it. And it's like you gotta get really silent. And. Your book is titled. It's like you find your ego has a lot to say is. Buy-in to isolate it here. It exactly I mean, people say in meditation. Oh, my I can't meditate because my mind doesn't shut off my mind keeps going. And it's like, what do you think? Yes. That's what meditation is recognizing your your busy mind. Contagion is in the act of silencing your mind. Maybe that's a side effect after years of doing it. We realize how is the our minds are and how how busy are egos are until we sit in silence with it. And for me being unclear on the beach was almost like a sustained form of meditation where. All of my negative thoughts came to the surface. You know, I thought I was a complete failure. I I was telling myself how stupid I was to quit my job to. To blow up my career. And now here I was homeless on this island. You know, I felt I felt like an idiot, and I was calling myself in idiot. And I was regretting it. And I just felt insecure and was worried about my future. And I was you know, any rare, but the present moment, and that's meditation. Does when you do it. I mean, you're not gonna sit down to meditate and how everything. Be roses because the mind is a busy place. Some of the initial sitting is a lot of people don't understand that. They're eagles like this color commentator. That's just always going, and if you can to meditation you can't stop it. But you can get aware that you're not that you're not you're not you're thinking that you're observer of your thinking in their lies the magic that you can stop leaving everything you think that you can question that stillness is something the eagle avoids like you cannot believe. I mean, just think about for me. I was homeless all alone with no kids and enjoying the Selma's in temptation, turn on the TV. Call somebody to Email out like, Nope. I'm just gonna set. Yeah. You said it. I mean, I think we tend keep in general were our ego has such a strong hold on us that we just tend to believe that whatever we whatever we think, whatever whatever. Pops into our heads is somehow true. And that's kind of what worry is right. Like, we've all been worried. It's it's this kind of incessant thinking in your head that. You know, may or may not be factually true. We lot we latch onto that. Worry. We latch onto those negative thinking patterns, and we just Aleve them. And that drives us more and more crazy inside of our own heads. So. It said. It was one of the places I March in your book, you know, when we worry you say which sing life to a lens of fear. We misread reality. Make mental mistakes. But what I love most is you explained we're worried comes from. And I want my listeners if you'll mind to to hear the eagle fiercely unknown and jumps to conclusions in order to feel a false sense of security. We're is based on a sumptious and the ego from a place of fear. Attachment tries to convince us that the assumptions are true. And that's the origin of worry. So worry is actually the eagles way of satisfying itself with an answer any answer. No matter. How irrational unlikely it may be and I just haven't heard worry explains as that satisfying the craving of the ego for certainty that was. It's really weird because you would think that you know. We would try to be certain about something positive, but it's not necessarily the case will we there's something about the human wants to feel certain. And even if it's certain that something is bad. It rather have the certainty that something is bad than the uncertainty that we don't quite know how this is going to play out yet could be good. How would we would we now that certainty a lot of the psychologist gestalt where the ego the mind wants closer? And so it will grab onto anything closer over accuracy. Exactly. And then we suffer right? Whenever we believe on thinking without question we suffer. And I think meditations the I acted times where people get the sense that they're not their mind. And then I also love the second thing. I think people get a sense of is what they can. Actually, see in the visible spectrum is such a small slice of of. What's in the universe in the analogy? You used with the sand. And Sandra was that. We can't see really stuck out to me. We you explain that analogy, do you know what I'm talking about? I do let me think here. So basically. Spectrum of what we can. And what actually exists? Oh, I haven't. It's it's basically, we think that were smart people. Right. I mean, we think human beings are the pinnacle of intelligence, and in some ways, we are in terms of the, you know. You know, the intelligence of the lifeforms on planet earth. But in the in the in the grand scheme of reality. I'm pretty sure that what we what we know is human beings, and what we have the capacity to intellectually understand is is next to nothing. And you can see that everywhere. There's small small hints of it in in the in the visible light spectrum. Right. There's a whole spectrum of light that can be read by science, and it's probably much much much much wider. But even our greatest scientific. Understanding today reveals a very wide spectrum of light only of which a specific mall sliver can be perceived by the human eye. So we know that things are visually happening with light all around us that we don't have the site. Are we don't have the visual capacity to see and the same is true with sounds. You know, they're the most immediate example is high pitched sounds that a dog in here that human cannot hear very busy example. But the idea is our five senses are not the be all end, all they are very specific windows that Tunis into a very specific five cents reality. But the truth is if we could somehow get outside of our five senses, you know, whether it's you know, you play you can do this through. You know, extensive, you know, yoga training, or maybe even psychedelic drugs or these offer small glimpses. But the point is that are five senses. Tune it's into a very narrow version of what ultimate reality much must be which can't understand. So let's not jump to conclusions in assume that we have it all figured out because there's a lot out there. And I mean a lot that we don't even have the capacity to begin to understand. So just don't take your own conclusions too seriously. And I think the sand analogy was we look at sand, and the beach, and we see a bunch of you know, kind of Brown powder little tiny little tiny rocks. But if you've never looked at sand up close, and I mean through a microscope. It's it's kind of unbelievable sand is incredibly diverse in substance in shape in color and form. It's like a little a little handful of sand is kind of like a whole bunch of diverse colorful patterns and shapes and even. Textures in substances, but we can only see the tiny little grains, the same to us. So there's so much going on deeper than we can see with our eyes or even understand intellectually, which is wide so important to, you know, listen to the intuition, for example, or have an open mind for. Imagination to come in. Because intuition imagination are ways we can kind of extend our sense perception a little bit beyond, you know, sight and sound conscious intellect. We can sense a little bit more that we can actually understand which is why it's important to kind of listen to your your feelings and listen to your senses. It sounds kind of wishy washy to some people, but it's actually a slightly different form of intelligence that can reveal things that we couldn't understand otherwise. And I think that's so important. What are the things I share with people often murky with Benchley, as you know, your assignment this week is be very careful about what you think, you know, for sure I would question only every thing in that's opening something's? Because once we think, we know something we're right? We get righteous. Our behavior gets crappy that we also stop learning and suggests being willing to entertain the hostage. That our view of what's Kanana's just released limited. And if we can release convert grip on that if some of our our limitations, so I I loved love that that he's one another quote. I love your book is that there's really basically two ways to go through life, you can to engage with life. I guess either force or flow, and you know, you can force it in China and impose your will reality can argue with reality. It's argument you lose. But only one hundred percent of the time or you can surrender to more of of the flow of at nights. I think that speaks to also once you can get to neutral in ability beginner's mind, he start to pick up on some things on that. There are important in a lot of great teachers, Martha back was my podcast. She talked about shackles on shackles off, which is said of trying to think you wait through. What you should do in the next moment at next baby step. You ask yourself to feel in slaving or freeing spiritually depleting building. So I think there's always people can just start to listen to more of their intelligence, not just there in of their ego, benching Ramtane, absolutely like you said, it's starts small. I mean, this is this is this doesn't start the level of should I quit my job and moved to another city. I mean, that's that's dramatic example. Which is kind of where I was at the time, but you can start small you can just ask before going into a meeting. At work. Just check in with yourself and ask yourself how you want to approach that meeting or how you wanna talk to someone who who you have to have a difficult conversation with you know, what is going to allow your best version of yourself to show up and is the action you're taking a lined with love. Or is it aligned with fear? All these micro decisions that we make the route the day. They add up to the life that we live in who we are. So it doesn't have to be something major. It's the small decisions of how we treat those in our lives and how we. How we treat the people on our commute in in the coffee shop in an all of those things. I think that's so important because you know, where we put our attention in those little micro moments related terms determines our fully of life. And I love how you put it that. It's like is this fear love and another one of my favorite things. You talk about in the book has just said, you've senior indication that you're relying on e that you're in ego that you're over using ego. And I thought that was a cool thing to just ponder Honda about. Absolutely. And I guess just to to wrap up the story about clever to that's that's kind of where I was. I was I was afraid of where I was because my ego was uncertain and that was causing me all all sorts of fear, and it was through just sitting with that. Again. I had nowhere else to go. There wasn't a lot of entertainment in collaborative. So I was alone. With my thoughts on tell. Really? I came to the realization that these thoughts were not the real me. You know, I realized that I was I was not my thought I was the kind of the the source that my thoughts arose from right? So I realized that I didn't have to believe everything that I thought not everything I thought was in fact true. And when I realized that I I was kind of overcome with his deep sense of of peace. And I realized that I just might be here for a reason. I if I put my trust in the uncertainty of where I was. You know, perhaps. Perhaps it would lead me somewhere that I couldn't see in the moment. And it's just funny because it wasn't that much later when I realized that. This was the book I was going to write and shoot. Your ego says was kind of it's it's not just about that experience of being homeless on cool abra, but it starts there. And that was the catalyst for me writing the book so just to put a cap on that, you know, what I thought was this terrible tragedy. And what I thought was a big letdown from the universe. I was certain of that that ended up being the experience that bird my first book in Heinz that I couldn't be more grateful for that that that a series of events even though during the time, I thought it was the worst thing it ended up being the best thing. You know in love ho that story works out. Because the only reason we're here talking is that you rowing said and stay in be still and in emerald Carr's book and live that you talk about, you know, just a tolerance for wandering in your life. You know, our ego in extra focus, we need to know where we're going. Everything's transactional. You need to know what to do next to the reward you want in party of book, you typed about just the awesome of wandering the awesomeness of wandering. And you say don't worry about getting lost. If your work as good. You're guaranteed to get lost. Give yourself space to wander wandering leads to wondering in wondering leads to revelation, and one thing I heard a couple of weekends ago is the sphere in this ego. Puts the brakes on your Volusia, Mike, you are evolving, and if you can just go with it. Without doubt doubtedly puts the brakes on your personal evolution probably they Evelyn enough of mankind's. I think in so doubt really is a. It's a sneaky thing. Yeah. You know? I one thing I will say is like inspiration can only enter an open mind. Like, I said, I'm from a small town in Minnesota. I grew up with a big kind of forest in my backyard and beyond the forest there were railroad tracks that went miles. See it's this seemed to go on forever. You know? And and I I would spend summer days and weekends. And anytime, I had you know, with friends wandering around the woods in wandering down the railroad tracks. Letting the mind wander and letting the mind discover things, you know, I think that to a degree. You know, we we we have we've had explorers in the past that explored the world and discovered new lands and all of this. And for the most part the earth has been explored physically. Certainly there's places in the ocean. And obviously outer space that are a little more uncharted. But we've kind of explored the earth, but I think there's so much untapped. There are many untapped frontiers. Inside the mind we have yet to explore because we're afraid to lose sight of the shore or frayed to leave the ego too far behind because the ego is is holding onto us and doesn't want us to to go far. So we kind of play it safe in terms of where we allow our minds to go. We don't want to be too weird. We don't wanna be too crazy. We don't wanna be too Centric. So I'm gonna play save. I'm gonna try to be pretty normal and just kind of more or less conform to the people around me. Not cause too many ripples. And I didn't limits us. You know, I think that when you let your mind wander, let yourself explore layers imagine. That's that's the new frontier to explore. And I think that's where there is. You know, that's where human evolution can continue to take place. I would agree in in his so simple that what we hold onto for safety is what holds us back. Right. It's we think we're being held back. But it's relate. We're the ones with the with the our fingers, you know, white knuckled arounds around the United. Thank you, the world's explore the night. Absolutely. You know, agreeing I think was happens on this should from early expiration. I beat your lover's eye us travel to. Free up my mind, and take my mind places. I might never go. But I also see some people going to some pretty sacred spots to get it done in the climb much. UP chewed stood of going to much appear to have a different place for your mind to wander. And so I think even exploring new sites for the individual can be hampered if we don't use travel to leather our mind wander in all about shore, like the people go on vacation, and it every single second of the day is planning advance and they're following tenor area. And they're going to one. Predetermined spot where or someone's that are take care of them. And they go to the next predetermine spot. And someone's that take care of them. Are you really traveling kind of? But you're still in the same comfort zone, mentally. I agree, you know, going someplace and exploring and seeing what letting surprises happen leading magical experiences. Fall into place. We we can do that in our lives. That when we travel it's like how it's it's just basically mindset of how we live in the higher. I go on trips in the wandering discover something by accident people are like, well, where would you recommend going? And all my gosh, I suppose explicit little place in all tell them where it is will go on there. I can't wasn't lay that amazing and. Like, I forgot if you don't discover it that takes most of the charm of it. You know what I mean? It's like it was a organic experience. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Nothing is funny things on your own through chance are just more special than going where everyone else going because that's the thing to do. And I got the Instagram photo. And now, I can say I was there, but what kind of personal growth did you experience in the process? Well, I think it leads to another point you made the expert expectations. Belayed, you know, the opposite meditation meditation gets into the principal moment. But if I told you about the place, you're gonna go there with expectation, which you're gonna miss the present because you're in the future comparing where if I wandered there. I went there just fully in the present moment in such a metaphor for me for. Life because I talk a lot about post life with great expectancy knowing that the is can blow your mind but not with expectations. But I love him said expectations the opposite of meditation. It is for all the reasons you describe and I mean, meditation true, meditation is is being in the present moment. Letting whatever is in the present moment arise if you're feeling fear in the present moment, you're you're feeling the're in the present moment the point is into to bury it or to resist. It is to be there with it being honest with where you are in the present moment. And if you're if you have experts Asian your your heads in the future, right? It's kind of like regret is in the past expectations in the future. And you're getting out of yourself, and your planning what you want or being prepared for what you afraid of an meanwhile, you're you're ignoring the meditation of of the present moment in I think, you cheat yourself other that present moment has a few in the moment, usually your minds, pretty neutral point. So many times I start wishing. They would you know different. Instead of like, the wrote about this wishing to accept what is or wishing that. I was lied. I was less disturbed by what is it's like, I tend to as a human being work on the wrong thing. So I like wanna change my circumstances into the change the level of consciousness. I'm seeing my circumstances with an it just was back to what he wrote about about the constant battle between ego in high self and life is pretty binary when you get down to it. You're either most suffer high sloth and also it's about not seeking highs either. Right because. There's kind of a balance in all things and expectation and ego satisfaction can be the desire to be in a state of of bliss or a, you know, here happiness and excitement. And I'm always happy, and my life is is so great. You know, I think what to degree like what comes up must go down. You know, you can be kind of on this world. Does this a roller coaster every motion? And then you're super high up then you come crashing back down. I love the the Buddhist. Kinda concept of the middle way, which you know is somewhere in the middle. It's the neutral mind riot. It's not not chasing excitement. But it's also not fallen into despair. His life is full of both of those things. And there's there's there's always duality there's always pull out those polar opposites. In the middle is kind of the neutral way the middle way where things are balanced. A Ashley agree in part of people on learn leadership texting in skills to me in what I liked to teach him. I is to as a leader on just be able to. Be neutral in Joel that neutral place. Well, so that when you're not in it, you can we turn to impart returns that neutral is select goal of the past and stay out of the future release that middle that middle place. You know, we, unfortunately, we're going to be running out of time. I loved your book. Is there something that you would like to make sure that we talked about today that I didn't highlight from all the wisdom that you shared? Richard. No. I mean, this has been a great kind of cars so any bases in in in short about time. I think it's been very extensive. It's been when I am more on favorite put out there before a close. Earns you because of your creative backgrounds you talk about creativity. And that's when you're creating whether it's content or podcast or writing or even in leadership, you're creating Univision's emissions in and out of one of the lines. I loved that. You reminded me of is that creativity is actually in acts of listening of paying close attention. I find when I created waning that is because I haven't gotten into the place of just really listening in observing. And I know that so many great poets talk about that too. I just listen and describe what I hear or see Sergey wanted to to bring that out. It's create. I mean, you know, I do strategy for brands as well. And you know, without without understanding a company or doing the right research. There's nothing to recommend. Right. You need to have curious of. Of import where you are absorbing whatever it is. You know, if you want to write a novel, you better spend a lot more time reading, so you're absorbing when others have done if you want to do a strategy for business, you need to spend a lot of time learning about that business asking questions understanding the challenges creativity can strike. Randomly I suppose at times, but that's nothing to rely on. You know, you need to plant seeds in order for them to grow and listening doing research studying. Even spending time in nature in in solitude to let everything that you have learned in your life kind of take root. You know, I it it is kind of a garden inside of us that we need to plant and hen to before the act of creativity can allow something new to grow from that soil. So people forget that you know, everything is a habit. Happiness is a heaven that you know. No, you ended the book and I loved it with. This is all about practice said. It's one thing to get in touch with your higher self when you're alone sitting on the beach or in a monastery in mountain top ten of a simple place. But it's another thing as you said when you're running late for work on a on a subway. In inspiration is there, but you end with practice is the noblest acts of all, and and I just I really love to and I loved James your book. I love your Instagram feed. So your Instagram handle? But not correct is shit. Your ego says is that craft. Just one word shit. Your ego says her everybody go out and follow the Stipe for one second. They'll get the book came up from. Hey house is that correct is right? And seriously, folks, this this blood if you like what I ride and what I teach you this book gives you a home of their voice sharing. Look you similar concepts. But in really wonderful ways, and we need to take it all kinds of information because our it'll get sophisticated and it can block some listening until somebody uses another metaphor another way of teaching instill your Simon. I always get assignments in just to go out. And notice how often you're outside the present moment either in the future in the past. Get James book. I thank you. I look forward to our continued connection online. And who knows one of his ships in New York, we may have to get together and actually meeting person. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much side is has been great perfect. This is the no ego podcasts where we did the drama and entitlement and transform your world place. I'm signed Wakeman.

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Living Life to the Fullest for Magnificent Midlife Womenwith Debbie Davis

Ambitious Entrepreneur Podcast Network

25:21 min | 8 years ago

Living Life to the Fullest for Magnificent Midlife Womenwith Debbie Davis

"You're listening to another ambitious entrepreneur network dot com podcast, though, boy, Sperone predators and small business. Now auto show, are you frustrated and confused about how to attract new clients nothing. You have done is working. And you're tired of waiting for the phone to ring imagine learning. The tips and tools that will help you get noticed and booked by your ideal client and paid what you're worth for your amazing services. Now's the time to make your dream unreality and the vicious entrepreneur show will teach you how now over to your host Anne-Marie cross hives zen recross money marketing and minds at business coach and heist of the emphasis entrepeneurship. Oh and welcome to another episode today. Debbie Davis is joining me. Now, Debbie is a citywide coach and adventurous, entrepreneur spiritual seeker, and a magnificent midlife woman herself and. And she is a passionate promoter of living life to its fullest now under days show. Debbie's guide to shave how you can reframe midlife. So you can see it as an opportunity rather than a crisis. The question that all midlife women should be asking themselves guidance and courage meant and some practical steps that's going to enable you to embrace midlife. So you can live your life to the fullest and so much more. So let's welcome Debbie to the show. So welcome to the call, Debbie. Well, then here people, I know and of you to with Cleo clients, often get to mid life and all of a sudden things start happening. So it's great to be able to speak with today to share your wisdom. How can people reframe midlife? So that they can see it as an opportunity instead of a crisis. It's such a great question because you know, what I find women that I'm connecting. With amid lies is there's a lot of different challenges that. Come along. I mean, just the fact that we're aging can be sort of abrupt and grieving our youth can be, you know, one of those things that come along and kinda throw us off or our step, but what I have really embraced now at midlife as this is a beautiful opportunity and our bodies, actually, the chemistry in our bodies are allowing us to have this opportunity because as women from, you know, adolescent till about forty years old or so we have hormones in our bodies that cause us to be more caretakers they wanna nest and take care of the children take care of the families. So that's just actually scientific fact those are the hormones that are prevalent in our bodies, but that starts to subside around forty or early forties. When that happens. It just allows us to have a different chemistry going on in our body that makes us more. Focused on what's important to us. You know, what do I want to do with my life now? So that's why this is a great time to take this opportunity to refocus renew and reinvent. And I think you know, as you're talking all those things. Absolutely. I mean, how many of us have got children and all of the things that they go through. So we're juggling children and household and businesses and careers and so forth, and it gets to a stage. And it's like, okay because we've never really asked us. So that you know, what is it that we want? So I can see the many women who have reached midlife it can send us into crosses. And it's good to hear you say that so for someone who's really quite stuck in that what a sort of some of the processes all steps that they can take to really just guy themselves generally into asking that question and getting kind of onces that's going to help them move forward. Well in Rian love to say, I'm a bit of a spiritual coach in my approach. So I do relate most of these questions. Sort of the bigger picture framework. So picture up to. So, you know, I might use words like, it's a calling of your soul, you know? But that could just be for someone else. You know, it's time to really look inside. Do some exploration of really who? You are your deepest core. What's really, essentially important to you? What are your natural gifts and talents that maybe you haven't had a chance to fully express in the world? So those are the kinds of things that you know, if we take this opportunity, and I call that like a calling from your soul to just Hawes do some more inner work. That's why yoga is, you know, a lot of women get call sort of like attracted to doing yoga or something. That's more good. Get them in touch with what's going on inside of themselves and to also sometimes it's time to break free of limiting thoughts that have been holding us back and get some things worked out or back in balance that had been outta balance. So yeah, I mean. It's sort of the big answer to a question like, and you know, I think that it's such a great reminder that it is sometimes just a matter of saying. And when I say just I mean, he's a huge question that you off. So what am I give Sinn? Tell us many times as women were running around after other people and putting 'Self loved and he's an opportunity where we as you say reconnect with who it is at court and actually side if if I could what is it that I now would be doing and often it is revisiting those gifts and talents. How many times that I've spoken to women? In fact, I was just speaking to my mother yesterday, and she was talking to my daughter and saying, you know, when she just got married, she learnt the violin. Because my youngest daughter is very musical in wants to continue on him musical studies. And my mother went on to say, I learnt the violin when I just got married and has been at the Tom my dad citizen. Oh, you playing that. I can't remember how we mention. It, but it really sounded quite squeaky that. And so she left that she's not really very musical. But perhaps on have liked to play something another instrument, and maybe it's just reconnecting with that. And saying, okay, maybe I'll want to expose allow my creativity. My musical side to come out and tie cop playing an instrument. It really can be as simple as that is allowing some of those things that perhaps you've said Noah to previously, and it's funny, you mentioned music, a lot of the women that I work with, you know, they wanna get back into, you know, whether it's just dancing or listening to music and just feeling that essence of what music brings out, and I think that's just a creative side that people's Reno throughout history have gotten in touch with who they are through music. So that's just one way it can be as simple as that. As you said. But that longing to get re. Connected with who you are your true self is what I really think is what's happening at MetLife. We get that. You know, I don't know what's going on. But something is going on as the women. Tell you a lot of times happens when the kids leave home because so focused on raising their kids getting into college. And then they start having their lives and these women are like, wait a minute. You know, what I wanna do? And it really is. That's why I think for a lot of us. It feels like a crisis because you know, your world's turned upside down. What do I want to do? But it's a reframing of like, wow. What a great opportunity. What do you want to do? And let's look at that. From a sense of who are you at your deepest sense. And that doesn't necessarily mean you have to change your whole world, but is just getting back in touch with that authentic. You know, self who you are. And of course, the summer those women some of the decisions might bay. You know, what I have followed a career and juggled family life in career for most of my life yet now. Now that that pressure is gone. I would love to open my business, and it might just very well be tapping into that. And allowing yourself to travel down that path the dream that you might have always had. So I think that's such an important reminder to us all. Yeah. Absolutely. You talk about embracing you'll magnificence and trusting your guard. I'd love to hear more about that. That's the core of everything that I do with the coaching work that I do. And you know, there's a lot of coaches, you know, today, and I was certified as a coach ten years ago when I learned to coach it was a very pure coaching model is how I view it. It was a spiritual coaching model that I learned and it was really all about learning. You know, how to help someone get in touch with that corps authentic self that beautiful magnificent unique self that. That is inside all of us today. There's a lot of experts that are coaching in a sense and teaching people how to do certain things or learn certain skills, but the coaching work that I do is really about who are you? And you are the best expert of who you are. And I'm not going to necessarily tell you what that is. But I'm going to help you rediscover who that? It is and rediscover. What's most important to you and win I provide that platform, or when someone has that platform, it's not just through coaching. They can experience this other ways. But that experience of really being Anier magnificence in that essence of who you are in having it knowledged from someone having someone see it and say, wow, you know, that's amazing. You can just see people light up and foot. That's what charges me up every time. It's like when I see people light up because they felt their magnified sense in their essence of who they are in someone else saw it at the sparks Goff. That's so beautiful. And you know, so many times I see I hear people not doing that. And I'm just so with you when you talk about the magnificence in anticipation, who are you? Because so often we listen to what other people think we are getting their finish into us or trying to be someone win because we want to try and squeeze us into a mold that the rest of the world thinks we should be fitting in so many ambitious entrepreneurs. But also people who are going through mid loss, and changes and reframing that and looking for renewed opportunities and refocus, I think we've all just side breath of fresh air and a relief to say, you know, what now is the time for me to re. Spl who I am. And just to trust that because there's nothing more empowering and more fulfilling and more exciting than to be able to recognize who it is who you are the essence of your core self and being able to express that in every part of your life. Whether it be work, whether it be with friends, whether it be in your own business. What do you think? Absolutely. I mean, that's what it actually gets easy when we're trying to be to live from a sense of maybe the values as someone else told us, we're good values to have or you know, a career that someone said you should do that. Because you know, you can make good money doing that are but not necessarily expressing our deepest core values are natural gifts and talents. And everyone has that set of you know, those are like the divine gifts that were given to us. I mean, that's what a date those innate qualities. We all have a Nate qualities that I believe. Are you know came with us into this body into this lifetime? So when we can realign with that is and start living our life from that foundation actually thinks it really easy. Yeah. Just something that you talking about you know, that things become really easy that is one of the true indicators in being able to recognize your tree strengths in your night gifts and tell us in that so often we obviously searching for the what is my gift. What is my talents and the best indicators what comes naturally to you? What a starting to situations. You found yourself in all of a sudden you just jump into whatever your passion, your brilliance magnificence. And we often dine see it do because it comes so easy to us that we take it for granted. You're absolutely right. And you said it I mean, really that's one of the simple things you can do is like what comes easily for you. What comes naturally, what are some of the things you do that? When you do at time, just flies. And you could do it without you know, money was no object. What would you wanna be doing? How would you want to be spending your time, you know, thinking about that? And answering those questions is going to give you a lot of insights into your natural gifts and talents. What's important? Yeah. And I think that's so important because how often do you many of us tried to not have? No because we don't realize it, and we might push it aside and not really allow that to Sean true. One other thing that often I'll say to is they might be a natural characteristic that we have that we're trying to dampen for one that comes to mind is a colleague of mine. She is a naturally, I'm Boris woman. She loves and she jokes, and she's just so flamboyant get what she does she tries to hide that. And she tries to subdue, and it feels really awkward and unnatural for her. And I just say to, you know, embrace it because we love you for who you are and chewed not give expression to your gifts. And you'll unique characteristics is really that's not embracing. You'll magnificent. Senses. Absolutely. You know? And that's it. And then when and also, you know, just acknowledging that for someone like you just did with her, you know, because maybe she was told that by somebody important in her life. You shouldn't do that. You know, you're being too loud. So she tried to change that or thought it was an, okay, if someone acknowledges that great. But once she can even start acknowledging it for herself like, wow, you know, this is me being who I am. And look how beautiful that is. And look at the results that came from doing that then she can really start to you know, again, embrace her magnificence. Yeah. It's so true. And one other thing that I know that you say to I'd love to spend some time talking about this because I know as women, particularly when we're juggling. Everybody's needs and just life in general. We tend to always put us sales laughed and not be mindful of at Nate's. I'd love you to speak a bit more about how to be putting us those. I am. And not doing so and feeling guilty and selfish in doing that. Well, I'm laughing right now because I was gonna say we're waiver started calling. I thought us, okay. I won't bring it up unless it comes up at web before we started this interview. I noticed I said something to you about having to pick up my son at a certain time. And right before you started your son was calling. I don't. I don't. About the ends of the all of his sons, you know, reached out to their moms. So I don't think it's necessary. And this is a funny thing because a lot of us feel that that's self care. You know, putting ourselves I is feel selfish and appeals. What has that selfish sense? That's part of it too. Is knowing that this isn't a selfish thing that we're doing when we take that time to you know, again reconnect with who we are. And who we are at our best because when we are best when we take care of ourselves. We could be the best for our loved ones. You know, I know by embracing who I am at my cooler, and and taking that time for myself that I need now probably more now than navy I needed five years ago or ten years ago because that's how it feels now. I mean, it feels like this is the time I'm sensing it more than I did ten years ago. And I believe that is somewhat hormone based or natural cycles of life based whatever it is. But I have to do. That now because when I do that I'm going to be better for him. I'll be a better mum via better example, as just an example of a filled person someone living of full life to my fullness. That's how I view it. You know, it's not take away necessarily time for him. But I want him to see me being my best. As you talk. You know, something just came on a lot both for me in that. When we see it as putting us owes and taking care, and it may be that. I mean, you, and I are obviously having an interview together. But whether it be that you're going to get a message or you're just doing something for self care for yourself when you do and complete that and then go and connect with your son, your children, or whatever other activity that was brought in front of you. You can then give that your undivided attention as I right now finished here. I am. Let's just what was it and continue and doing that and giving that your undivided attention as you would as he would children or whatever the task, it will you need to learn we need to learn to give as cells that Siamese tension and selves at spice to full that self care. I think that so important and exactly what you were just saying. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, I'm out of stage in life where I am your typical sandwich woman that I've got my L. Mother on one side whose health is starting to sail. I'm having to care for her. And I've still got a teenage son. You know that I'm caring for so, you know, I'm definitely been pulled. And I have my own business that I'm growing. So when I actually take that time now for me, I'm more conscious about it. And I'm more conscious about the time that I'm spending with my mother when I'm with her. I'm really fully with her because I I don't know how much more time a have with her. So everything just sort of feels like it's gone. A little bit slower motion for me, which is actually a nice space to be in. It's like what I'm doing? I'm just more conscious of it. I'm more aware of how I'm bringing my full self into it. Yes. That allows everything to actually flows smoother. My business is falling better. My relationship with my mom, and my son all of those things work better. When I take that time. Yeah. You know, you and I must be going. Through similar situations because my mother elderly she's Ninety-three and very strong ninety three just in the last two weeks. She's being diagnosed with bowel cancer, and I'm in the process of organizing appointments and surgery and all that sort of stuff, and you know, I made a decision a couple of weeks ago when I found out to go, you know, what I need to really embrace. My magnificence be very mindful of what I'm putting my time and attention to and I let go over number of things and it felt good. Whereas before what we talked about, it would have felt selfish, and that was giving away saying goodbye to voluntary opportunities positions which had for many years. There was some joint ventures which I was just in the process of starting. But I thought no it's going to take up too much of my time. So this is what we told me about as learning to put us out. So that I could give and create the space that I needed to spend with my mother with my family. And so that I know. I know that went on with her. I am just really in Bryce, and it was funny wouldn't funny, but this morning, I was on a coach in coal, and I have been so mindful of scientists mom, I love you. And I read you know, that caring that actually got up the call, and I sit and I just love you guys and thought lighter normally wouldn't have said that, but I really embraced, you know, in my expressions of people in making them just be mindful of how deeply I k for them. And it's just reminding you've just so how precious yourself in recognizing embracing -nificant. And of course, being the for those who you love your loved ones around you as well that could be part of your Evelyn of how you're expressing yourself more in an authentic way. I mean, I don't know that because we have talked about it. But I know you enough to to kind of get the sense of this big heart that you have airy big Gidding heart that you're just out there. Racing. So many of us entrepreneurs holding us dearly as you walk through the process of trying to figure out our branding, and our pants, and and it really was nurturing when you do it. So the sense that you brought that into that last call with your clients and said that could have been an expression of you're beautiful magnificence. We're thank you. And I think this is just been such an incredible Cole. I think because it reminds us of the things that are just so important and often we are rushing for one thing to another. We've got busy schedules and the most important things, and of course, embracing magnificent. It's who we are at the core. And I believe on the tree believe that if we continue to deny that it's going to show up one way or another it will show up because it wants to be hood at needs to be hood. And I think a reminder that you vote for to us in today's coal his certainly being. Very impairing one and very important one too. It's true. And you know, I know we're coming to the end here. And I really don't wanna leave it on a down note. But I believe that that's actually underneath everything. It is vitally important for women to take this time at midlife, Dr Christine Northrup, I don't know if you've ever heard of her work. She wrote a great book called the wisdom of menopause. She spent her whole life. She's probably sixty now working with women as a medical doctor gynecologist, and she's a very spiritual person. So she puts together, and she says, really if you don't take this time at midlife to sort of reconnect again with that all Centric south, and he'll anything that may still need to be healed. What can happen after that, art illness, and you know, those big three that women get heart disease cancer, depression, and I only on a Downer. But it is vital important. You touched on it that we have to do this work at midlife to reach. Really fully live our second half. Yeah. You know, I think to also the lessons that we learn and the situations we find ourselves in really can be seen as a blessing and that Mont same quite strange to hear from someone who might be experiencing something, but I made a decision a couple of weeks ago. Not always my mother, really the blessing is that I now have the opportunity to when I'm with to really as you said be there to laugh to cry too hard to remind have how much she means to me. It's a blessing, and we can spend every day together that we do recognizing that in not taking that for granted. And I think that you know, when we experienced the things that you would just mentioning about going through changes in alive that we say, you know, what can I look at the gifts? Can I one of the blessings in this? And of course, the steps that you've shared with us in the, you know, the the lovely exercises can certainly support us and moving through that. So that we can. Really take with and stopped to embrace who we are out magnificence. You gotta girl. I don't exactly know. How old you are? But I have a feeling we're kind of in this midlife game together. It just say pathologist talking on thinking, Debbie. We're just going through the same thing. I love people if just really benefited. I'm sure this message really was one that needed to be shit. Otherwise, I'm just attributed things happen for a raise. And he opposite ends of the world experienced the same things in allies. And I'm sure people have connected to that. So people want to get in contact with Hugh to find out more about the incredible work that you're doing, Debbie. How would they do that? Probably the best race to my website, which is Debbie Davis, coach dot com fabulous. And we'll of course, put that up on the Scheib as well, if you'll listening via the website, you can click straight through today's website and learn more about who and the incredible work that she does. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Debbie. It really has been it's been a blessing for me to simply say much more inspired after conversation today. Great. Well, thank you Maria. So nice talking to you. You've been listening to the embassies on. You want to promote you. Thousands of other ambitious on like nationally and internationally and derail chat. More about customers. Get packages by an Molly be a sponsor at am bishops nitwit dot com. That's phones. At embassies on your network dot com. And Saint you the details.

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403: Ass Shot

If I Were You

49:10 min | 1 year ago

403: Ass Shot

"This is a head gum podcast podcast million got a problem well get me by understand the what it was but it was like text only non website message boards that you can let I was chatting with like other Conan O'Brien fans and like Nineteen ninety-seven fuck it does anybody WANNA cyber I don't even like offspring was all twelve year olds pretended to be nineteen all cyber in with the wow that's I mean that's early I feel like maybe it was like nineteen ninety eight I was just trying to cyber with people in the spring whatever message boards just the idea of message boards my my original the first time I ever used chat rooms was an offspring message yeah yeah they smashed the album is good but I'd rather just smash you I wish I was that clever so this guy was Jackson Aka at Jan thirty message boards were like the Internet but before any social media is kind of like Omega actually yeah so instead of having a facebook or a mice by love I never got into the yellow card you know it's funny you say that because my college roommate of three years Pablo shout out to Pablo was so into yellowcard what's one underscore on instagram the third installment of a pop punk parody also calling out my friend John Thorpe whose space that you said Oh i like this stuff let me find some like minded people that also do it was a website that was a message board that you said Oh I can't wait to see or no I think it was mostly younger fans at the time like it was like she had this huge crush on the lead singer and I still remember his name because of that Ryan key right we're on their message board there God let me see there's there's a lot of good best of me yeah you know that's on you know the best of me wonder if instagram killed message boards I feel like they were dead before instagram came around right God i Miss Message Boards still sort of exists there are still message boards best the best of me not even close we got older but we're still young in key yeah which is a great name for a front man of a pop punk band in two thousand total yellowcard violinist and she was so into yellow what that was it was a yellow card cover that's her ocean avenue perod indeed like of all of the pop punk in the World This is club Paradise Okay and he'll take one request from each of us oh like we can give him a song that we want him hard that she started meeting people from yellowcard message board no no way I think no I think she equate and man by honestly a herb his band is club Paradise and they released their latest singer closer on all platforms you can find it on streaming follow us at Birlik on aol you can access like all dot us net dot it's like Pre Med pre internet message boards where I would like post stuff I don't even spring and Oakland and then other people can chime in and say yeah I'll go to that show with you yeah I guess that's what the Internet was good for back in the day and now it's just the whole God damn man like made some lifelong friends from the Yellow Card Message Board Oh that's nice remember it as long as they've bonded a about something outside of yellow card to to make that cover of yeah can you name another song that you want him to cover yet do I was so fucking into the starting line that was like my do remember the starting line did you ever listen to them is that another yellow card song no no it's that's a band I was yeah you gave us his his fucking band here his instagram his friend's band they're single and their instagram. Now that's just have the means no it's it's so good have we have we have we done got a few minor updates before we get into the questions so it's on what two weeks ago you asked to be someone's Godfather Oh oh my God last week Rian pronounced Rianne and I'm getting a said sorry Renan's mother said you can be my daughter's godfather sick okay you said I wanna see photos of her before I commit it was but it wasn't dreamed you'd see it let alone read it on the pod which is fair maybe we shouldn't have it all a lady named Katie that's right but here is my daughter and then she on Usenet newsgroup hit me up it's been thirty years but I'm down they're all dead man of course all right thank you at as you who did use net newsgroups that's what I was on that's I'm looking up I'm just like trying to jog my memory here if anybody was on that Conan O'Brien I think it's good I don't remember now definitely felt good at the time have we done L. Sport Show Weezer have we ever done an L. Scorch oh parody that transcends pop punk uh no that's just not going to happen but I've seen people do cool stuff with underscore where like it looks interesting and if you you know if your name is searchable than it'll that'll show sent us photos juicy this photo of this sweet rhiannon squeeze me Oh she's beautiful oh my God Aryan or some shit no I did not that's insane fucking suggests that anyway this lady Katie says I freaked out when you read my email never up would you rather have at Jake Hurwitz on instagram or at Jake underscore on instagram I think jake okay what about at Jake Hurwitz or at aw she's watching TV Buck Yeah Dude we could hang oh and here she is in the she's like at the park she's got address she has a big heart sunglasses and I wanted to do the best of me trust for future work I mean his instagram the band single his friends instagram yeah yeah for the band offspring but it wasn't because like I liked offspring it was just because that was the only place that I could find a chat room yeah so for those of you who are under the age of thirty underscore jake the underscore jake sounds awful I would not want I don't know what about at Jake Hurwitz or at J. Underscore in what we do here okay there's just too much yeah I mean he gave us like a nice little like six minutes of content at the top we talked about yellowcard he made an original song for us something it says Jake needs to see this and it was an ad I don't know if you saw this I forwarded it to you it's an ad for a tube that lets you great bond is spiritual connection which is your flesh and blood that's reserved for actual relatives some SARS you're talking about my ancestors okay red and ready to commit yet or do you wanna see maybe like a video she's looking she's wrapped up in Fox blankets she's on the couch drinking aac underscore her bitch sixty nine underscore I want her bitch that's cool I feel like I can still get that one too well I feel like that's just it's it's obviously for somebody that doesn't care if they have followers because you can't tell someone my name is jake four underscores scraper fruit from the family tree I'll give you better believe I'll give you family but you can't specify flesh and blood you're pissed or something or something you don't need a second hose this thing is like put your penis in this hose this hose goes into a bottle your penis is the hose your penis goes into the ball ah Yes yes my my air great grandfather or something is your answer okay okay well look this is my family no all right let's go to I'm pissed another talking about Rian my daughter another non question email we got what's on your chance one underscore can you have an underscore at the end of your handle I feel like that's kind of a cheap I I mean I really appreciate everything this guy has done for us but that's too many plugs he's final it's a long funnel with the host this is okay so this product is stupid because your Dick is the hose wait spent more time making fun of him now than promoting stuff all right fine do you appreciate the underscore the end of the instagram handle I feel that shouldn't be pause I mean is definitely possible no matter if we actually show the blood right is my Fleischer be don't okay yes it doesn't matter that's exactly what flesh and blood means that you share the blood you can't I wanna see photos to see if she's that's that makes me sound like so fucking yeah which I called I called you out on said you wanted to make sure that she looked what you shouldn't you shouldn't make fun of my flesh and blood like she was her goddaughter wouldn't be your flesh and blood family is a blood bond piss inside a thinner water bottles while you dry yes okay so here I somebody who's been sending somebody sent me something like this on instagram also yeah it's like this okay so you're saying the bottle slash accordion is all one product one product you do not need an intermediary the bottle at least has a cap it doesn't smell once you cap it I guess it's like a way of this it's the way of pissing inside the bottle but I think we have done that though people have done that press yeah that's as close as I can get to loving pop punk doing that's not you love pop punk yeah but I never got us into stick to its thick at the top you can stick your Dick in it and then it curves down with us with a tiny little thin funnel that you can attach to a water bottle right it's all this is adding an extra step now you have two things that are also the you have two things covered in Piss in your car and the bottle doesn't have and this the funnel doesn't have backseat so car's not moving the water bottles on the floor and he's got some more room to entertain this idea and if you're going to do that then you might as well just piss onto the side of the between Your Dick the and the bottle like the penis should go directly into the bottle there is no need for a funnel like pee into the bottle it was a frigging Martinelli glass apple it was actually kind of what this thing is that little hose it looks like a little accordion yeah but how peeing in the car looks and that's coming from somebody who has pete in the car easily a thousand times you know at this is this guy has pulled over and now he's in and then you're just putting the funnel into the into a bottle whenever you see what you should always have your Dick in the funnel and you can direct the P. Anywhere and you're not you're penises and lift so this guy's like ooh `boring somewhere and stop go into a live with like a messenger bag I am his bands instagram's are then I think it was his is frigging facebook page and a gofundme now you're making to kickstarter that he's the place on the corner of Cherries data using joke guest he is the weather ah this thing it could scrunch up and it was like a kind of little like a little disc and then you unscrew Chit it's the accordion you pissed directly into that doesn't matter if we share the blood fleshing blow tell me I don't not your flesh them but don't tell me that my goddaughter's not my flesh yes that's what I'm saying goddaughter's your goddaughter which is a nice bond that's why that's called the tunnel so there's a channel there's a funnel and then there's tunnels why do you think they call it a tunnel a tunnel is probably because it's a timid little chunnel et this guys can't improve upon the GATORADE bottle you can't improve upon the yeary bottle somebody sent me one thing that was closed and I'll tell you what it was oh not p into a thing then into the bottle why would you do that and I don't want to get too crass because I know my God daughter listens to this part I don't think she listens I don't think she oh cleaner because the way you do it you need to get a gatorade bottle and there might be this one has the guy pissing into a regular like Poland spring bottle which does have I haven't got and this is my daughter and I appreciate that thank you the guy the guy in this funnel demos not holding the bottle I should say it's a very precarious situation he's in because I guess she's your daughter now that's right loved where I wonder Katie if you're listening let us know where you live yeah because you haven't you to to thin of an opening but I don't think you need all of this accoutrements a splash guard too I mean God forbid you obviously can't use this one while you're driving news yeah I'm in I can be this could be managed godfather actually let's let's ask for video so you can hear her voice maybe she has done voice n. b. like sorry I know I should be I should be gripping the bottle to make sure it doesn't spill but can you drive a little smoother if you're a real pro your dick is always in the funnel genuinely funny which I find concerning he also called game of thrones stupid as well as host House MD for being uninteresting I feel horribly anyway ran and rights I met this guy in school who's taken an interest in me and I have no desire to reciprocate he didn't seem like a bad guy and a crowded area and you don't WanNa Piss on the side of the road I mean I don't WanNa Piss on the side of the road but like the way this guy is he's in the back seat it looks like it's it's just or you know it probably is he's in spos- because it's only p coming from a funny thing a funnel is called that because it's a fun tunnel Yeah I do yeah I think funnel is a fun tunnel and I think that's just not particularly interesting I've answered as texts and engaged in small talks when I happened to run into him though only out of politeness yesterday he texted me for TV recommended you'll never you might not ever meet ran and it'd be nice to invite them to a live show sometime if we do one near them and I can meet my goddaughter a four year old at the live show all right had I mean this is obviously a photo op he's there's no chance that he's paying you can't just put your Dick into this hose and like p straight up like you this is took a tight funnel through a tunnel short cool all right let's go to a real question for Christ's sakes it's about time we'll call this lady Rianne I don't even video man you don't want to commit yet you're talking about my fucking God daughter right now is just a dumb voice joking I mean you just made a dumb choices yeah and revealed in the process that he has a true unadulterated love for Charlie Sheen and his new show as well as two and a half men he finds both to be I let things fade away without directly crushing him also would you date someone who has a similar interest in the TV that you watch thanks watching it almost like as a sociological experiment and then there's stuff like oh I don't get like that's different to me than like I don't like disinclined to even keep up any contact now however due to social circles and clubs it's inevitable that I run into this guy at least once in a while and he asked me to hang out more than once all that like trashy reality television even though I don't like watching reality TV I'm like knock knock them for having a guilty the bachelor I know a lot of like genuinely funny Nice Interesting Smart People that just enjoy the competition aspect of those shows or like Asher that's right but like if somebody is like things all of the critically acclaimed shows that I like are stupid all right I think you're kind of misunderstanding with goddaughter means you're raising this child no I am alluded question 'cause 'cause yes I would date somebody that had different TV tastes but it would kinda depend what they are like I know smart people that's why that word is called that because they're usually like brightly colored and like fun if you think the CIA the Chunnel in England is called the chunnel because it's a chill tunnel listen to re trust me Rian is allowed to listen to the show she's a big girl don't worry about it that's okay so tell me how to raise by girl succession or game of thrones or breaking bad or calling them stupid like why don't you like them do not understand them or you like beyond them i WanNa know what you don't like it really broad shitty network comedy if they just liked new NBC lineups like they just loved all of the new network television owed because like wh what this dude is doing here in this photo is just collecting for some reached proud of absolute necessity but if it's it doesn't get to crash it always gets crass and this this girl's four okay all right she's she's not four she's like three but I recently told me how to raise my all right tell you shit and go to live show it's fun it's fun okay now a good time saying it's not and keep it lights shows like succession and game of thrones and some of my like all-time faves the wire yeah I know my girlfriend loves game of thrones and loves Charlie Sheen I would imagine that we have less in common like beyond TV you know yeah it's stuff because like guilty pleasures are one thing like he yeah so so so the ton yeah so the tunnel is a tunnel but it's a little shy yeah timid the timid charts then liking like network TV shows like Big Bang theory and write two and a half men what does that I think that would be more my line than like reality. TV shows like if somebody liked it was shoehorned into the his specific story. Yeah I don't think I don't think it's fully is in Kendall's character especially when like last are her TV at my question is would you date somebody who has TV tastes that so dissimilar from your own I it's sort of is an ice found it boring and that's like a source of tension like how can you not like that show and I'm like I don't know I guess I just didn't find it interesting yeah I mean Jill sitcoms I think I would be more more unnerved than if they like reality. TV and stuff yeah and then I'd also be upset if they didn't like completely kind of losing control in in drugs in off off the rails again and I think that yeah arenas sooner you went home that night started writing his cipher but I think that like story wise you know think about where Kendall needs to be right now he's like Game of thrones either but it wasn't really a source of tension I mean she just doesn't like fucking dragons but that's not liking game of thrones I think is more understandable than not liking the the Kendall rap l. to the Oj way you mean like did I like it like as as a musical piece or as a story as a story thing Yeah Yeah I agree that it was it seemed like it was maybe a little more for just the comedy of it then for the story but I think it's still serves the purpose he's been his dad's like agent is little fixer this entire season and then he does a weird rap but I also think that it's partly because of for him would you have guessed it was Kendall Roman or connor that would do it tend to would've been my last guests yeah I would have been torn between yeah it's hard to imagine why Kendall Wearing Kendall's head dad will like yeah if if you like he's been his him sliding off the rails if I told you before the episode one of his sons in for his for ought to honor his father would perform a rap but that's just seems like such a strange leap for her to go out on a big swing yet just like too big of a swing she's like calculated excuse me I don't even think you ask I think he just sort of whip out your hog slided into the funnel and go to town and he was shattered in the yeah in the kitchen of like the guy who he he likes sort of accidentally guilds walk into the tell them to leave you especially like this guy has a he has like an interest in her and she doesn't want to have anything to do with them so she should definitely not feel bad that he also doesn't she it's like cringe seemingly a little bit more encounters character and shift would never do it at all right and she did not which tracks but I love reacted so I don't think we need to tell her to Britain dislike fade away from someone just you can just sort of stopped episode is so amazing story wise alone let alone the dialogue and like how everybody's acting and what it looks like and the performances Oh my God yeah did you like the rap seens served to show logan like his kids don't get him but shift yeah it's also funny that like eight minutes after that rap he walked up to this his fling and session such an amazing show yeah I feel like it's objectively great yeah every episode is a Gosh Darn A. Like there's not even like a boring seen every I was more confused y Raya would throw this huge party for him in the first place yeah well she doesn't know him she she doesn't know him like his kids do I'm an connor and conor did something pretty stupid the Supernet I super love you love you supernet but that of the story yeah it seems like for I mean it was hilarious but I was like would Kendall really do that or are they just like rich people sometimes act crazy like this it felt like now they know that someone has to take the fall right for that other story right all right this should just become a succession podcast I wish it's smart that's what she showed in the last in the episode before this one and then for her to be like completely tone deaf in this one didn't network sense to me it ended up winning her job at the end did you think he was going to say ray or do you think he was gonna say Shit when he took that dramatic beat I knew he was going to say Raya because more we'll it's it's weird to be like we we give the show in a and now nitpick but hey that's television I think more like it's like you said awesome a lot for my dad which means you're you put on a Baseball Jersey wrapped your the bigger embarrassment dude is pleased right let's take a break we'll come back line through some questions after this later thank you to squarespace for sponsoring this episode of our show that's right sure only eleven percent of the listeners actually watched the show but it's still interesting for everybody yeah I bet a lot of people hated what you just did don't add us then off and free shipping manscaping dot com thanks skipped and we're back Jake d you have any that's enough as quite enough if you wanna buy those domains or maybe your full name maybe the name of a lovely friend in your life you onto surprise with a with a blog squarespace Idaho thank you to Manscaping for sponsoring this episode of our show Hell Yeah escaped jake is the number one in men's below 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when you're taint I imagine yeah I guess you know it's like hard to shave the hair down there because an electric electric shaver will sometimes bite or nip yes not just one statement not really it's just like US strange journey with Matt Damon being a Weirdo that's the log line but it's really fun the best surprise ever bought your name Dot Com and it's a frigging blog I about but but but but you could do it all at squarespace dot com other oncoming easy easy you're not even the godmother who'll cool you're gonNA have to cool it yeah we're GONNA have to change that out because it's a little crass and my God daughter listens to this my God God unrelated just because I was thinking you said that thing about movies and you know every once in a while you like see a movie that you're like this would never get made today like movie called Yeah interesting that makes sense yeah all right well two things I have unsolicited advice but okay I pump the brakes there even know her godmother is no but I'm GonNa have to I I guess I'm going to have to be with her anything happens to reaons mom so my unsolicited advice is a physical therapy oh whether you need it or not honestly honestly yeah a little bit if you have any pain what's still available jake but but but but that's four butts yeah spelled with two t's they're both available so it's like whether you want to like cut have pain it's probably due to like how you move

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Aria Code with Rhiannon Giddens is Back!

Aria Code

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Aria Code with Rhiannon Giddens is Back!

"All right y'all is Rian Giddens. Aria code is coming back. I've been thinking about what makes Great Arias so powerful and I think a big part of it is that they tap into our strongest emotions. That song drew everybody. In and and from the minute you have gained the ability to suspend time was powerful. One of the emotions that comes comes up over and over again and opera and in life. His desire desire. We all have that for the new season. We've got ten. More amazing are is to Code Code and every Aria will show us a different facet of desire. And I'm not just talking about sex here. I'm talking about the things we want. Most Hara hopes hopes for a better life for child. Yes we got some big stars to see Senator Comic Fleming and definitely some surprise guests to is this. This perhaps Dame Judi dench season. Two of our echoed starts next week from W Q x are the Metropolitan Opera and WNYC studios. Subscribe scribe or follow at your favorite podcast APP. Catch up on season one. See all sing.

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#76 CES 2019 Day 1 Recap: Air Taxis, Anthem Trailer, Gaming Monitors

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#76 CES 2019 Day 1 Recap: Air Taxis, Anthem Trailer, Gaming Monitors

"CBS hundred nineteen day. One recap air-taxis anthem trailer gaming monitors and more coming up on today's episode of the latest attack news. You're just in time for the latest episode of worlds only Rian Ron show on everything. Tech gadgets, and gaming news. If you knew your we try to click on Skype on right now. So that you don't miss out on an episode. My name is hill. America Nabi your host. Now, let's recap on the latest heck news seen as how the ES is happening. All this week. It's find out what's going on. So we got guide got something from our technical. We got something from. CNN? We got a whole bunch of menagerie of stuff on. Unfortunately, I'm not CDS twenty nineteen this year, Consumer Electronics Show, the big busy gauge three auto. We smart show. That's happening. All this week. Yeah. I'm suck your at home. Unfortunately. So I can't get you the latest videos or live tweet or photos, or exclusive interviews or live seem none of that. I'd love to be able to do that. Because I guarantee you when I land on the floor at the ES. My approach to gadgets in technology is going to be completely different. Granted I'm not going to be the only one who's not gonna we'll go out over the latest TV's or or gaining miters. Sure. Of course, I will, you know from the bigwigs, but mostly gonna be looking for the stuff that a little bit harder to find, you know, the tech. That's actually, cool the tech. That's actually making a difference attack. That is mind boggling in in life changing cool stuff like that. So. We're gonna have to settle for me recapping videos in photos in the articles that happened, by the way. If you're listening to the audio version of this episode, you can always head on over to YouTube dot com for slash tech news gadget or Facebook dot com slash tech news gadget and get the full video along with any pictures that are going on today still head on over and do that but delegates jump in. And see what's going on so day one recap from Tom's guide. They had a whole crew hit the ground there. We have L Gs eight inch aka TV that doubles as the giant speaker use the is a photo of it. And it says cramming good sound into flat screen TV's have never been easy. But last year Sony came up with a novel approach us the screen itself to broadcast sound interesting. New Audi of jump in a van Wigan with his crystal sound oil ED display screen on his eighty eight inch. You'll each TV produces three point two point two channel Dobie atmos- sound with alpha need for any speakers. External sounds making the gadget both elegant and functional although will will see more on the price tag. When it comes out to consumers. Also coming up is the matrix power watch to that almost never leaves any charging interestingly enough environment. What's pointed out for a long time? The biggest of energy in our source systems. The sun is woefully underused. The power society. So the matrix power watch too smart washed at once rectify that device uses solar power as well. As users bond heat to keep it's battery charge almost indefinitely as a good thing since it means it can use. It's distracting GPS in heart rate, monitor capabilities without ever having to worry. But plugging it looks like a big old wristwatch, though, kinda cool. Not as elegant as a Rolex, but credit promising digital cool techy. Exact same time. Also, Samsung's modular, micro, LED windows, TV debuts and will be covering a little bit more this later article. 'cause while what's the ES without TV's. I mean, goodness. It's like saying while what's going on at a cattle show, if there's not cows, there ain't gonna watch this which everybody else's wider after BTV's electron IX, not just TV's domain factors have been spending years mistreating, they know to make really good large TV's. But what about the small? Well, Samson's modular micro LED heck wants to take TV experience off the living room and move it to wealth anywhere. You want really using small, customizable, pile deacon semblance green fit almost any side in configuration in tiles, set the resolution for you on medically this needs it can take your tech with you to the kitchen bathroom ceiling. It's up to you. And however, you wanna also to you as well. Oh, we cover net in a little bit also gaming nerds, the ACC, rob mothership drop in. Let's say when it dropped it with Bove. None the bad way too. Good way. Because what we're looking at here is something that is both a laptop in a desktop anywhere. Tops usually cost s such it's often hard to justify buying a desktop to. Now, the ACO mothership is one of the first laptops that actively tries to slit the difference with detachable monitor in a standalone keyboard, you can snap the mothership together and use it as a traditional laptop or arrest. The screen on a kick. Stan bring the keyboarding close play set a desktop up to you in effortless this witch. Doozy or details coming up ozone or or journal before also Invidia RT x twenty sixty makes Ray tracing Ford will they decided to surprise everybody. During her keynote today, you just drop it along with the anthem trailer. Which will be looking at in a little bit. But they dropped it. They said, hey, you guys are wondering, you know, this new graphics car coming up with this Ray, tracing technology. You know, how you're all worried about causing a lot of money. Well, it's not see Invidia has made much of the innovative Ray, tracing technology graphics card, but until not a feature has only been available in very sensitive us G for architects twenty sixty will debut at three hundred forty nine dollars and all that technology in a little bit more, hopefully bringing technology to the masses, though, we'll see how developers attach themselves to this. If they want to take advantage of the technology. We'll see also HP debuts. It's AMD powered Chromebook until this point. It was exclusively in Heltzel. Now that AM be getting into the Chromebook kind of changing it up a little bit. Knowing tells going those while if you can. As far as I'm concerned envious usually always on job not saying bad against Intel. But boy but impressed with Ambien usually how they do. So now Chromebooks are at their best when they're inexpensive, but as often difficult to pull off with costly, Intel processes see going back to the point that I just mentioned as such each P has turned AMD for each HP Chromebook fourteen which will run on AM be a four or a six CPU with radon four or are five depew Bill right in the least expensive system cost two hundred sixty nine bucks and should still deliver more than enough power for everyday productivity and browsing. So that's all from Tom's guide. Let's head on over checkout. Another article Shelley. So kitchenaid is getting into things. Yup. They were at the ES. They debuted their kitchen aid with a Google smart. This late in it's water resistant. Thanks to an IP five rating. You can just rates it off after messy cooking situation. And it has like a nice bulky little bottle that the can actually stand upright without needing a additional Sander peg or something. Oded upper bounce it. Now, a big feature of these smartest lades is visual and audio walkthrough of cooking recipes Google's platform opened a third parties. It only makes sense that traditional kitchen appliance manufacturers want to get in on the action, right? Enter the kitchen aid, Martha sleigh, which takes all the features in punctuality of Google smart display platform reference, the Google home hub in little Marcus late and wraps it up with an appliance name. The feel rented at home right next year mixer or your fridge Guth kitchen aid. Smartly founds a lot like the other third party, tools market slave the touch screen in the usual. Google assistant software with smartphone controls ignited bringing to big harbour teachers table, though, I compared to other third party, Google smarter slaves from JBL in ovo is very compact designed for something. They ten inch display. Second kitchen aid has an IP five water resistant freighting eight says a device in rated resistance the faucet water. So you could actually watch to Marcus late in the sink after grouping session, although you should probably on pug it. I just usual ruled electron IX no sticking debate rising do anything besides running the same interface you'd find on Google home. Or winnow, the smartest way kitchenaid rowing. It some extra command for its yummy cooking up the press release has you'll get your only voice in vigil meal, planning in guided cooking functionality, but keep in mind. This is in addition to the usual guidance ready built into Google display soccer, no word on releasing. But this stupid ad inside the keep popping up. No. I don't wanna hear about that report. Coming out from scene said the device will be out in the second half of twenty nineteen in cost between two hundred and three hundred dollars. Also, even apple wasn't technically at the ES this year, they decide to go for special enough to have our own event while they finally set loose I tunes and airplay, and it was all over the place at the so this year Mark a stream of announcements from TV makers, partnering with apple itunes airplay to an home kit. The goal for the company is to bring its content more living-rooms just in time for the expected launch of its long, wait. It's video streaming service. It's doing that by integrating its services into television. That will be hitting the markets this year apple is starting to think more crossfire form in cross viper services. Which is definitely good thing. Technologies. Research analysts Bob old Donald said faith with slowing iphone sales apple has to find a new way to make money and expanding services. One of its biggest bet so far that includes rumored launch of a new video streaming service in early twenty nineteen overpass. Year. They've deployed a one billion dollar budget. And they've been trying to get high end filmmakers in helmet of the Winfrey. Reese, Witherspoon Spielberg and also hire two top executive from Sony Pictures television to lead the effort, so obviously it would make sense coming out with a whole bunch of new TV's and gadgets, Iran included, going, well, why don't people on a smaller screen? I don't know. Maybe it's because movies wanna be seen in bigger. Eight K crystal you HD. The bigger screen a better, you know, it. I was reading another article I was basically saying C E S. Seems to be taking everybody back to the nineteen eighties in in a sense that everybody likes to be gathered on TV the instead of like a holographic display or or or small like smartphone device. -cause? Okay. Come. I be honest. Like, why would you wanna watch a full length movie like ten eighty p or four K or AK goodness? Imagine that on your phone and then just go. Grid like watching it under small phone. No. There's a reason why people like going to movie theaters for new movies is reason why people like sitting at home and entertaining guests themselves in watching movies or television shows binge watching Netflix on a big screen. So what's what's the problem? I don't get it. What happens when your big company and you forget the move fast enough nimble enough. And then you get tripped up on the smaller companies going. Hey gets what we did. So makes for entertainment the rest of this article goes on to slain that the number of household the three Ming player has quadrupled in the last five years, but apple troves, Roku, Amazon in market share in seldom discounts, it's pricey apple TV. So who knows maybe this year will be looking at something different coming from Apple's event. Maybe a cheaper more horrible apple TV that can do the same thing. Hopefully, they fix the problem with the stupid remote on because I swear I can't tell you. Okay. I have an apple TV. Disclaimer. But I tell you there's some times ride just wanna take stupid little. Remote snapping half because it's bad. It's problematic. Sometimes. And then it fails respond to commands other times. And then the voice controls were at other times either. So bugs bugs but other than that usually runs. Find a usually don't have a problem, except when I do so apple you'll stuff together and fix it pay. Okay. We wanna. So remember that anthem trailer? Onto gaming news. That's the ES y'all will be covering some more gaming news, est stuff in in gadgets. But the the onset about anthem. The trailer was dropped as ES twenty nineteen and Invidia announces their support for the s which is their technology. And of course, obviously, we got video go on with you guys want. You won't see the trailer. All right. Let's let's take a look, shall we? Technology has always helped us unleash our creative potential by giving players more immersive experiences than ever before. Nancy? It out into a chaotic beautiful world. Fly cross wondrous, Lance and your javelin ex of suits. Close. And on Spiring mysteries. Invidia takes us one step further by rendering our game with more precision, higher quality textures. Jefflin's creatures in combat have never looked better. We are happy to announce that we are working within video to bring technology to anthem. Checkout anthem on PC with origin excess premiere on February fifteenth. All right. Well, there you have it the trailer for anthem the brand new exclusive gameplay trailer features a never before seen javelin enemies environments. In addition NVIDIA has announced that the upcoming cuddle via wear will support the learning super sampling. Ordeal SF or better vigils. Now this obviously in four K and revealed that the Keno interesting to note is at Invidia mentions that the trailer of use of random javelin. But from the lots of it, it's merely infiltrator or ranger with customized vigil gear. An open demo for anthem will be released on February first on all viable platforms. Sign for the fans to get their hands on anthem and experience it for themselves. According to Mike gamble, the producer for anthem last month, we truly hope they do this the flying fighting in this brand new world. Our team has been crafty for many years anthem will relief for PC Xbox One amputation. Four on February twenty seconds. So because they're all excited for this. I'm not it seems like an interesting mash up between monster hunter. And okay, I'm gonna say a little bit scale by on a game. That was fortunately canceled for one reason or another and avatar even though avatar number actually came out the game. It looks like movie we need graphics of juicy if you're just listening to audio on it, by the way, did you know audio listener that you can head on over to YouTube that com for slash tech news gadget get the video and fixtures. You can do that. Or you can listen to audio. Verve perfectly fine. But the you're missing out on something. You can always have refer back just want to let you guys know. Just in case, you didn't know, but yeah, it's fair. Graphics juicy like or night, eat got nothing on this. And you're like what you're talking about. It's cartoon graphics. Why? No, I like realistic graphic soup. I like the companies that spend the time in the development in with right? Because when you do it, right. It looks good. Like, I wanna play this on a P C. I wanna play on a council. I wanna play on a PC. We're looks great because monitors. Speaking of gaming monitors will be getting back to that in a little bit. I like how how it looks if juicy feels realistic, and I don't know if you'll just have more control the keyboard in the mouse than I do at the joystick. Okay. I should probably fat mouth before. I can start council were they all start with. So for those you guys like making instant pot by palm talking about rice. And by instant pot talking about the company that makes I don't, but he does. Crying out loud. Now, I'm not talking about that. Okay. So ES debuted another gadget and instant pot in Google assistant are teaming up so apparently instant pot, which okay, you don't understand if you were actually looking at the graphic on the three it's a rice cooker am quite familiar with this. We have one of the variations that are where I live I had rice virtually every single day when I was in Taiwan like seven eight years ago. That he had rice cooker did automatically took a lot of guesswork problems out of it made really good rice anyways, the instant pot. Smart wifi pressure. Cooker now works Google assistant. The kitchen device maker announced Monday at the ES in Las Vegas now. I guess seen it reviewed its impact mart wifi last year. And they're disappointed with its lack of virtual systems. Now voice commands in Google smarts are coming to the pressure cooker. Now, you can say simple things like Google set the program on my cooker to rice and the instant parts, smart WI fi will begin the rice function. Obviously, there still is some user input that you have to do like, it's not gonna pull the right side of the fridge is not gonna go out to the store and buy it for you. You still have to go and do it. But precept snuff. How lazy society of got into those like I can't be bothered to go to store by buy rice in the bag and measure it put it in. Anyways, I should probably continue on with article. I am not having a great day as could tell actually I am of the anyways. The instant smart wifi cooker already you monitor in control from the incident pot mobile app. Adding Google assistant worst man as functionality allowing you to control and check the status of the cooker totally hand free. So there you go if you guys are looking for Mark WI fi pressure cooker can cook rice of whatever you deem necessary in a pressure cooker now available for your viewing and eating pleasure. Because obviously, why would you wanna? All right. So more news about the Samsung micro LED heave your member. While talking about the whole seventy five inch TV that like works like tiles that you can rearrange. Remember also talking about that. I I. Got more on it. The company unveiled literally sloggers of last year's big TV the wall if you didn't remember that more than one person wondered what was the difference? The answer awkwardly is everything enough them. Some hot new TV is a seventy five inch micro LED to slay that exists as a proof of concept that proves gossip micro LED technology is scalable versatile, entertain -able the company expressed in a four hour long showcase at the area hotel in Las Vegas. Take for our though just let them look at it and go pretty pictures probably a question. So that's probably why. Now, obviously, the fundamental technology behind this TV made his debut last year in events face north of the strip where Samsung reveal the wall concept, which was the one hundred forty six inch micro LED slate billed as a new type of modular TV the any size in any affect racial because it was made of micro LED tiles these tiles in print. People could snap together to create an endless array of lace. Although Samsung didn't do that. Now this year. Samsung did the demo in addition to the smaller version of the wall, the company revealed tall skinny micro LED displays alongside long factor slaves that broke into pieces them some also had the hulking two hundred nineteen inch burden on wall with frankly looks like the highest revolution digital billboard you've ever seen. Imagine putting it in your house would be like I my whole on tire wall hall of TV on I can't see figure dang bright is also compelling illustration of what this new micro LED technology can do in house ounce on thinks it's monitor h in code unfold. Effectively speaking out before we start scratching our heads on. Why anyone would want tall Seaney TV? Let's talk more about micro LED technology does actually quite quilt. Currently the TV market is dominated by liquid. Crystal displays LCD's that are back with by light emitting diodes LED's, everyone just calls these LED TVs to avoid drowning out of soup. There are also organic life meeting diode OLED TV's that make nerd swoon. Now, the big difference between those who is at L E V pickles need a back light that creates a caller through color filter while OLED pixels emit light in independent colors on your own up. You didn't know that before nine, oh now, Mike Riley technology, the fantastic Frankenstein combination of approaches while the their own red green and blue collar without the need for next back like microalgae pixels. Don't rely on organic compounds. Like, oh, Elise. Which means they don't degrade in the same way. Also vary energy efficient. A detail that subtractive for mobile device designer frankly, micro, this Leif are appealing for a lot of other reasons to in principle, they can produce those Iki black blacks at all these sleighs are things for while. Also, delivering tremendous level rightness in a slimmer packet that uses less power now its compendium of detail. Former simplified is it is it surely why dedicated this TV show case have four hour long. Kuno who the micro LED technology. Yeah. Samsung did that last year by revealing while but this year, the company showed off if ambition to make micro LED technology, scalable and affordable the masses? Though alongside that seventy five inch many while the company also revealed a windows with smaller, micro LED pounds that could conceptually be combined and rearranged make all heights insides of different sleighs, and they all had in one corner of the event there they had an elaborate series of mechanism to demonstrate how micro LED is slaves could produce tremendously. High quality images in a wide range of configurations really long. This way that transformed when one panels removed another added, so they're doing a whole bunch of stuff. I guess is article goes on explain a little bit more. But based on a demo looked pre impressive so far. So if you guys are Hulan out about latest TV's might be one you might wanna keep an eye on. All right. So you guys are interested in air-taxis right while Uber partner reveals its air pack design at C E S this year now bell, which is one of flying taxi partners reveal the design of vertical takeoff in landing air taxi this year, which is a five person eyebrow electric, powered vehicle with six tilting. -ducted fans is vehicle is dub the bell nexus in. Yes, it is to scale the photo that you're looking at is the scale and last year pantley I've been hold on. It was concept could do that last year the vent this. You're actually went a step further in. Hey, we could hit your it is skill took it out got eight photos here each one. I guess juicy of in the last at sea swap on over here. Can pretty promising a front view of it in a person to scale person who just decided randomly stand. Right front screen. Thanks side. View of it. The stance. Back you or front Bianca? Yeah. I guess that slide open to reveal seeding. Pretty cool. So as face at the ground level becomes limited. We must solve transportation challenges in vertical dimension. And that for both OnDemand mobility vision takes hold bell CEO. Mitch Snider said in a statement, the industry has anticipated reveal at your taxi for some time so bell very proud of this moment designed pick north Arthur fatigue. Approachability infrastructure lead to the successful deployment of the bell next to the world. Now, here's the concept of flying in the air about houses. Uber is currently working with a number of companies on its user air taxi service and bells in early partner in may over showed off one of its air, patchy lights at its Uber. Elevates summit says it aims to have aircraft. Available for commercial operations by twenty twenty three. The NBC's. Uber called bell designed a major step in this upper to development OnDemand Buber air network pretty impressive. Now, do you want something that would be a huge compete? Tive edge. Hoover would be like a taxi drivers you haven't. Air taxi. I didn't think so get I picked the people up I fly to the destination Niger. All I guess what? It's that undergrad Ahmedi. You just see them just erupt like eyeballs pop decide his brains explode. I can't lay at what have we been doing driving cars around for eons. While if you should have done something else though in line with its Hoover plants bells director of innovation. Scott dreaded held the verge that the company intends to have nexus in operation by the mid twenty twenties. Quote, this not a toy this aircraft that you would feel safe in comfortable bringing your family into golf reports that won't have a proper working prototype until it's closer who official launch. But the pizza for right now. So we'll see how this goes one step closer to flying cars off. Of. And Finally, I know you guys are only trusting gaining monitors already tease guys class weekend with one of those aiming monitors Welsey. Yes, have been a bumper year for PC gamers of point of new product. Now sements can be tricky to keep track of everything self. So that a quick roundup here from euro gamer that net of out. The monitor's looked at this year. So far, I up was the raptor razor that. That. Pretty juicy rates are has entered yet another category at the twenty nineteen with his announcement of the razor raptor. The company's first gaming monitor as far specification goes razor has selected a very common configuration a twenty seven inch PS play at twenty five sixty by fourteen forty with refresh rate of one hundred forty four Hertz. What's it which is a step up in both resolution and refresh rate over the defacto ten eighty p sixty Hertz standard. So it's a nice choice for many users. Now, the mine appeared supports three things adhere to entry level each four hundred specification, it can even MIR a razor phone to be a USCC. I showed off the reader phone to in a previous episode. But it really looks to stand out with this Zayn ribs are has incorporated a Chroma compatible RGB lights on a front provided cables are typical neon. Green on the fact in Malta, the monitor on a stylish STAN that reminds you of an open laptop the rap. After will be available in North America later this year at seven hundred US dollars. Now, not to be outdone Acis introduced the rug strick x g or thirty eight Q the X g for ninety cube and X g thirty two q. Jarrah different monitors visited, no. The first one is a thirty two inch or team forty p with one hundred forty four Hertz. The next one is a three inch with four Kate and a hundred twenty Hertz and the last one is a forty nine inch the HD one hundred forty four seconds heard them honor, shall we? Though, let's say if you prefer alter widest lay aces has you covered. The x g forty nine the Q forty nine inch monitor the same thirty two by nine aspect ratio in thirty eight forty by ten eighty revolution as the Samsung ninety that the probably earlier our Samsung in other companies have announced a successor with a high resolution of hippie on twenty four forty making any other easier to drive, but less sharp alternative that see we have Parthenon it. No pricing. Details yet it will be released later in January though, we shall see. Also each piece they build their own x sixty five imperium that monitor. Almost looks like a it. Kind of looks like a mini TV. Three the omen. Xt? Imperium is the first big format. Gaming display to be available for preorder hauling their announcement by in video at Lafayette. Yes, event three captive e f g D's vacation calls for a sixty five inch screen at four care of Lucien with one hundred forty four Hertz. Refresh rate in full g think each support the omen ex-experience comes with video shield built in on access to Android apps and the Google assistant in some Oslo arrive of an integrated bar as well, however, you will be spending a lot to get the ultimate big-screen. Gaining slave omen X imperium arriving February for five thousand US dollars in similar big green from aether aces expected to cost around similar as well though. Be interesting to see how these compared to LG's twenty nineteen these which also both low input lake and high. Refresh rate will be honored twenty Hertz instead of one hundred forty four the also come with three think report. Could work within via for scratch card links to videos recent g think compatible announcement so. Laugh one we'll be looking at is the view sonic league elite. I can't talk conceit ex g to forty are in g three fifty are sea view sonic announced its new elite aiming some brand at yes, including two new models that wildly different points, obviously. Because if you look at it here one looks like a widescreen once default monitor screen, the device of leave on on left is intended as a strong option the twenty four inch ADP into play featuring a hundred forty four her freezing the league because Amore gamer look than previous on crocs as well as support for RGB's realization with thermal razor Chroma in cooler master products. That good. It is okay, though, the elite x g to forty are available now for two hundred dollars s two one on the right looking at the photo. Smaller one not the big curve. Why? Using anyways Arkle on other side spectrum is the thirty five inch thirty four forty by fourteen. Forty curbed ultra-wide V dislike the free think also supports the relatively demanding each Yar and standard which could make it a good choice for fans of eighty here. Gaming video refresh rate of one hundred Hertz, which is typical for monitoring the size of Lucien is still provides a salad upgrade over sixty Hertz gaming. It will be available later this month for seven hundred eighty nine US dollars. So. I have it guys that wraps up. Everything happened at ES twenty nineteen on the first day of the consumer electronic show, obviously a bunch of other products that went out in the. A little bit more goofy than this is basically the highlights that all they will find so far I'll be back tomorrow with probably day two in anything else. Addressing came out. Granted I know a lot of TV is now since are made during this time granted, I know a lot of auto announcements are coming out because I guess a lot of auto companies like to show up now and show off your latest tech in and smart AI compatible device or a cooler cars. So we'll see if anything interesting comes out. But in the meantime, if we miss something on a shore, something that you want to keep you informed on you to let us know on Twitter are handle there is at picnics gadget. We also have a community over at techniques. Gadget that network platform where you can hang out with other people in common today's soda. Any other episode talk about tech, by the way, if you join this episode, be sure to Tele friend and we've like that will do it for this episode, ugly Intech news. I'm your host hill. America released. Tech gadgets? Endgame news. We should head on over to tech news gadget that net pretty much. He'd be not some guys. I'll see you on the flip side.

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