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"rian vert" Discussed on Security Now

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02:58 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on Security Now

"You opt for thousands of dollars at data's data recovery specialty business, and it's a commercial software utility, guess what? Which automatically makes people dubious how could software fix hardware, they scoff, and I'll stop reading that at that point. I did encounter the phrase which people have heard me utter before. Remember a hard drive. Doesn't know there's a problem with a sector of data until it tries to read it and discovers that the math doesn't add up anymore. And then he finishes this posting I've skipped a bunch of other stuff which listeners may be curious to read he said if he finishes saying again, respecting the analog e nature of the magnetic alignment of ferrous particles on the surface of the hard drive, and that they can weaken over time you can exercise the physical hard drive medium by reading the data from the sector inverting. It's ones and zeros, and then rewriting that data back to the sector, then reading that data back Rian -verting, it's ones and zeros and finally writing that data back to the sector. The net result is the data. The data is exactly the same. But you've pushed every bit through a right of a one and then zero and then a one or vice versa, leaving the sector freshly written. But at each step. The hard drive is monitoring the air detection math to see if there's any sign of surface defect. This is what spin right does the commercial software? I mentioned earlier. No, I'm not affiliated with any says Gibson research corporation, and Steve Gibson, spin writes software, but I've used it for nearly thirty years as of countless other computer pros, and it's rescued countless amounts of data from presumed death because of this analog e nature of spinning disk card drives, and he says incredibly, and I agree. The same results are now being achieved for SSD's, even though they're failure mechanisms are entirely different. But the forward error correction math is still there. The spare sectors are still there and sew corrupted data can still be recovered from both spinning rust hard drives and modern solid state drives. So anyway, very cool. Posting Anthony thank you for sharing it and let him be sharing share it with our listeners..

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"rian vert" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

News Radio 1190 KEX

16:52 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Bill James works for the advisers the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaned was just talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the man from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The guy was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. Because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders envelopes guy called living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started just going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a we can the week of essentially became. Five or six years. So they didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody is still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in in the the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. There was an interesting that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he says it reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. It was a you said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that that van hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Well, I understand the sense. It was important to have to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still didn't have that reaction to it. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. No, please. No. A lot of the book book is about is is all all books authored books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred they one hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in them fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me in them. And that's one reason. The story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived? They lived rich meaningful lies. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths. But also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be in America. And in a small town Andrea years ago. I think you did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things, which re Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks? With me that the point you were just making that has to do with the the soccer the cases and vans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community, a pickled eels because tickle deals were a a delicacy that were eaten on Christmas day. And there was there was. But there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under assembly four because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them on on ice for a couple of days before you eat them the. It's a it's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian as a way that the talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are are these little there's a flash of light. That eliminates the details of of something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to Velasco Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in Felicita due to a a dispute between the Velasco city council and the power company. So they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and the town was it complete darkness is this Sunday night. There was a church service. A Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After the service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with their friends little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June. Ten they'll wanna stirring around in the house the. And the his brother finally comes and breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house screaming they bring the town marshal. And he is name as Hank Horton. Mr. Horton, courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than that. A crazed murderer is hiding somewhere in this house. There's a dark house he's holding matches in front of him. With no gun no form of protection, holding matches in front of in front of his himself going from room to room finding bodies very eight dead bodies in the house longhouse in a small quiet, but western town, the and all of them hitting the head with an axe the access found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. The mansion the train was a pervert. And he was interested in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after death the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later, a con man named Jay and Welker Sohn came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry. He could keep donations coming in by keeping people angry, and he did that by accusing a very prominent local citizen. Frank Jones of financing the crimes. There isn't any chance in the world of Frank Jones was guilty or that he had any any connection to it. But this campaign to prosecute Frank Jones divided fullest and a horrible and unprecedented way the city fought over whether or not Jones did it or didn't do it for several years and became a badly divided community, you know, families on one side of the line wouldn't play with families on the other side of the line. They wouldn't go they wouldn't shop at their stores. They wouldn't wouldn't have anything to do with them. This battle lasted ballista for even though. Wilkerson was eventually run out of town in nineteen seventeen. The the battle went on for a long time and the hard feelings emanating from it. Persistent in the city. I I would say so to an extent that they persist to the present day. You mentioned the that piece about the the person whipping up sentiment and making a false accusation to profit from it. And even that creates a pattern for all. Too often. How crime stories unsolved crime stories are treated yet at the same time. It it speaks to the fact that there weren't cold-case police officers working the crime still the crimes of that time might have been solved by after that period of time by somebody writing a letter confessing somebody knowing somebody that wasn't it went to almost literally like fall in their lap, which again comes back to the the power of storytelling and how key but just by keeping by telling a story the beginning middle and end of these events. It doesn't matter. How old the story is is that it will get people to listen again and to reconsider again and most likely to connect again to that sense of outrage about what had happened and so. Static police report won't necessarily, you know, anger people. But when you start telling the story again, people were feeling, yeah. Yeah. That's right. And and that's but also keeps kind of the idea of the murder alive. It makes it it gives you a sensation. Again, that is you know, the core of sensationalism. But it does it makes it sorta make you feel it again, the fact that this crime in happened had they had they built a, you know, any kind of memorial to the family of their been any Heather been what had the town done to try to come to grips with the fact that this murder had happened prior to even this conmen coming to town or afterward. The well there was I don't know that there was that kind of Santa. I don't know that anyone built a memorial to them. For many years, the ballista authorities, and I would say this is still true today. The peop- the the chamber of commerce types types, invalids cow wish that ballista was known for something else. Right, right..

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"rian vert" Discussed on KNST AM 790

KNST AM 790

09:01 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on KNST AM 790

"Bill James works for the e advises the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaders as talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the man from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're painting out the and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders in blue sky called Velasco living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliss commercials are a part of a series. So I started I just going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became. Five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit writing preachers, the ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they will get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody is still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. There was an interesting that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. He had always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released. He'd always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. It was it was a shot. He said he was tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who? Well, I understand the sense. It was important to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I I don't know there's a lot of difference. But you still have that reaction to it. Go ahead. No, please. No. A lot of the book book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding. A lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. Two hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system of like, how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived. They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in spot has a hundred years ago living these boring lies, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths and also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town Andre years ago. I think he did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is that always sticks with me? Illustrates the point you were just making and that has to do with the chocolate cases SoKo and Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a pickle deals because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there was there was, but there was conflicting testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under Semper twenty four because you never.

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"rian vert" Discussed on KFI AM 640

KFI AM 640

09:15 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on KFI AM 640

"Bottle. KFI AM six forty. More stimulating talk. Bill James works for the vises. The Boston Red Sox and. And. So it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world was just talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're painting out the and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. I was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders in blue sky wa called living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murderers are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the our became a week and the week eventually became. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? You know, the tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he we'll heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. Which a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. Happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great aunt had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he'd always pleased that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about but it was a shot. He said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman haven't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow. And I don't know why it was important to him. Well, I understand. I understand that it was important to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still did have that reaction to it. Brooker? Go ahead. Please know a lot of the book book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred Baker two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. Phil, it's sorta equidistant from may in them. And that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived? They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in spot have a hundred years ago. I was living these boring lives which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them. And I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also is trying to create a picture of how they live in. And and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be in America in a small town a hundred years ago. I think he did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that in and it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks with me? You're just making and that has to do with the soccer in the case of soccer fans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four of I think nineteen nineteen or nine hundred eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community, a pickled eels because tickle deals were a delicacy that were eaten on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by.

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"rian vert" Discussed on KGO 810

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09:01 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on KGO 810

"Bill James works for the at the Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world. Lingers is talking before the top of the hour, but the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. Was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime that night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about. And don't really talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders in blue sky called living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit writing preachers, the ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that we try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in wide the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons. And then they will get passed around these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody is still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting. He had always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that and our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to it. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shot. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who? Well, I understand. It was important to to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. I'm punished I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of different. But he's still have that reaction to it. Go ahead. No, please. No, the book book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. Two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I'm trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like help fantastically primitive. It was. What did he what how people lived that? They they lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago or often take a people who lived in a hundred years ago living these boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them. And I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they live died terrible deaths. But also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town honored years ago. I think you did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you were getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is that always sticks? With me that illustrates the point you were just making and that has to do with the soccer implicates asako and dams Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. Hey, he had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community, a pickled eels because tickle deals were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was. But there was conflicting testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never.

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16:52 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on News Radio 1190 KEX

"Bill James works for the advisers. The Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaders is talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world in by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The guy was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders. Invalid sky called living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done. Documentary and far above the normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started. I was just going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. Do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. Which one hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great aunt had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said it reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shy. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman hadn't actually gotten away with this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Well, I I understand. Understanding the sense. It was important to to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. I'm punished I I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. Please. No, the book book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding. A lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred Baker two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in them fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived that. They they lived rich meaningful lies. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in a hundred years ago. I was living these boring lies which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also trying to create a picture of how they live, and and and give the reader an understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town years ago. I think he did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which re Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that in and it brings a fresh context to these murders, you know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is that always sticks? With me to the point. You were just making that has to do with the the soccer in the case of soccer fans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community a pickled deals because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there was there was. But there was conflict testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under Semper twenty-fourth because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on on ice for a couple of days before you eat them the. It's a it's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian as the way that the talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are there are these little there's a flash of light. That eliminates the details of of something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to ballista Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in Felicita due to a a dispute between the Liska city council and the power company, so they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and and the town was in complete darkness Sunday night. There was a church service. A Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims. The woman who is the head of the house after the. After this service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have. Had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with their friends. The little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June. Ten they'll wanna starting around in the house. The and the his brother finally comes and breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house scraping. They bring the town marshal. And he is neighbors. Hank horton. Mr. Horton, courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than. Than that crazed murderers hiding somewhere in this house it as a dark house he's holding matches in front of him. With no gun, no form, former protection holding matches in front of in front of his himself going from room to room finding bodies very eight dead bodies in the house house in a small, quiet. Western town, the and all of them hitting the head with an axe. The axe is found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. The man from the train was a pervert. And he was interested in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after death the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later at conman named Jay Walker som came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry. He could keep donations coming in by keeping people angry, and he did that by accusing a very prominent local citizen Frank Jones of financially the crimes. There isn't any chance in the world of Frank Jones was guilty or that he had any any connection to it. But this campaign to prosecute Frank Jones divided Felicita and a horrible and unprecedented way the city fought over whether or not Jones did it or didn't do it for several years and became came badly divided community, you know, families on one side of the line wouldn't play with families on the other side of the line. They wouldn't go they wouldn't shop at their stores. They wouldn't wouldn't have anything to do with them that this battle lasted Valenica for even though. Walkerton was eventually run out of town in nineteen seventeen. The the battle went on for a long time and the hard feelings emanating from it. Process in the city. I would I would say to an extent that they persist to the present day. You know, you mentioned the piece about the. The person in whipping up sentiment and making a false accusation to profit from it. And even that creates a pattern for all. Too often. How crime stories unsolved crime stories are treated yet at the same time. It speaks to the fact that there weren't cold-case police officers working the the crime still the crimes of that time might have been solved by after that period of time by somebody writing a letter confessing or somebody knowing somebody that wasn't it went to almost literally like fall in their lap, which again comes back to the the power of storytelling and how key but just by keeping by telling a story the beginning middle and end of these events. It doesn't matter. How old the story is is that it will get people to listen again to reconsider again and most likely to connect again to that sense of outrage about what had happened. And so a static police report. Won't necessarily anger people. But when you start telling the story again people start feeling, yeah. Yeah. That's right. And and that's but also keeps kind of the idea of the murder alive. It makes it it gives you a sensation. Again, that is the core of since anal ISM. But it does it makes it sorta make you feel it again, the fact that this crime in happened had they had they built a, you know, any kind of memorial to the family had there been any had there been what had the town done to try to come to grips with the fact that this murder had happened prior to even this conmen coming to town or afterward. The well there was I don't know that there was that kind of Santa. But I don't know that anyone built a memorial to them. For many years of Alaska. Authorities and I would say this is still true today that peop- the the chamber of commerce types in Velasco wished to ballista was known for something else. Right, right..

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"rian vert" Discussed on 600 WREC

600 WREC

17:03 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on 600 WREC

"R, E C and ninety two point one FM. Bill James works for the vises. The Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaned was talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing them from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about and going on my talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got up like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders in blue sky called living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bullets murders are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became. Five or six years. So I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. Do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true. Crime is discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that indicates of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit writing preachers, the ministers that would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in wide the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons. And then they will get passed around these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. Which a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in in the deaths of of somebody that one point, you know, we're popular members of the community. Faded happened. Just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. He had always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released. He always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about that. But it was it was a shot. He said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow. And I don't know why it was important to him. I understand. Understanding the sense. It was important to to know what had happened, but you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still did have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. No, please. No of the book. Book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which crimes occurred Baker two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system is like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived. They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns two hundred years ago. I was living these boring lies in which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happen to you and million people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their deaths. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town. Hundred years ago. Did that very effectively? In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which. Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. I that's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it that always sticks with me that straight the point you were just making and that has to do with the soccer in the cases, SoKo invented daddy? One of them. I think it was. Doc, oh had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes. What are the crimes was committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a Khalil. Heels because tickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflicting testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on an ice couple of days before you eat them the. It's a it's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian as a way that talion American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are these little. There's a flash of light that illuminates the details of of. Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to Iowa and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in Felicita due to a a dispute between the Velasco city council and the power company, so they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and and the town was in complete darkness this Sunday night. There was a church service. I a Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After this survey, I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe murderers would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity your six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with their friends. The little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June. Ten no one is stirring around in the house, the uh. And the his brother finally comes and breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house scraping. They bring the town marshal. And he is neighbors. Hank Horton, Horton courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than that. A crazed murderer is hiding somewhere in this house. It is a dark house. He's holding matches in front of him. With no gun to no form of protection. Olding matches in front of a friend of his himself going from room to room finding bodies very eight dead bodies in the house and long towels in a small quiet, but western town, the and all of them hitting the head with an axe the access found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. The match the train was a pervert. And he was interested in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after death the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later at conman named Jay in Walkerton came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry. He can keep donations coming in by keeping people angry. And he did that by accusing a very prominent local citizen. Frank Jones of financing the crimes. There isn't any chance in the world of Frank Jones was guilty or that he had any any connection to it. But this campaign to prosecute Frank Jones divided fullest and a horrible and unprecedented way the city fought over whether or not Jones did it or didn't do it for several years and became badly divided community, you know, families on one side of the line wouldn't play with families on the other side of the line. They wouldn't go they wouldn't shop at their stores. They wouldn't wouldn't have anything to do with them that this battle lasted Liska for even though. Wilkerson was eventually run out of town in nineteen seventeen. The the battle went on for a long time and the hard feelings emanating from it. Persist in the city. I I would say to an extent that they persist to the present day. You mentioned the piece about the the person whipping up sentiment and making a false accusation to profit from it. And even that creates a pattern for all. Too often. How crime stories unsolved crime stories are treated yet at the same time. It it speaks to the fact that there weren't cold-case police officers working the crime still the crimes of that time might have been solved by after that period of time by somebody writing a letter confessing somebody knowing somebody that wasn't it went to almost literally like fall in their lap, which again comes back to the the power of storytelling and how key but just by keeping by telling a story the beginning middle and end of these events. It doesn't matter. How old the story is is that it will get people to listen again and to reconsider again and most likely to connect again to that sense of outrage about what had happened. And so a static police report. Won't necessarily anger people. But when you start telling the story again, people are feeling, yeah. Yeah. That's right. And and that's but also keeps kind of the idea of the murder alive. It makes it it gives you a sensation. Again, that is you know, the core of sensationalism. But it does it makes it make you feel it again, the fact that this crime in happened had they had they built a, you know, any kind of memorial to the family had there been any Heather been what had the town done to try to come to grips with the fact that this murder had happened prior to even this conmen coming to town or afterward. The well there was I don't know that there was that kind of sentiment. I don't know that anyone built a memorial to them. For many years, the Liska authorities, and I would say this is still true today that peop- the the chamber of commerce types types in Velasco wish to ballista was known for something else. Right, right..

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"rian vert" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

WIBC 93.1FM

17:07 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"Say, the keyword free bottle. Bill James works for the vises the Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world. Lingers is talking before the top of the hour, but the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing them from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're painting out the and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that just saying that you were presenting the sort of a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. I was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. Because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about and dog on my talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders. Envelopes guy called Velasco living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary far above them, mama levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are apart of a series. So I started I was just going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week of actually became five. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true. Crime is discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in the community overall would benefit from his or her death. And became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well, heck, I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they will get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great aunt had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. Here at always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. It was it was a shot. He said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man had actually that madman haven't actually gotten away with this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who I understand? It was important to to know what had happened, but you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still have that reaction to. Go ahead. Please. No. A lot of the book book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred they could a hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system is like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived that? They they lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago or often take people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, living he's boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and million people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them. And I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths. But also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town years ago. I think he did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders as opposed to the traditional way that the crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you were getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks with me to the point you were just making and that has to do with the the taco in the case asako invent Zeti? One of them. I think it was SoKo. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community a pickled eels because tickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflict testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under similar twenty four th because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on on ice wreck. Couple of days before you eat them the. It's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are these little. There's a flash of light that illuminates the details of. Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to Iowa and the the crime story, which the as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in politica. Due to a dispute between the Velasco city council and the power company, so they had city lights and street lights, but they were out and the town was in complete darkness this Sunday night. That was a church service. I Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims have the woman who was the head of the house after the. After the service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have. Had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with their friends. The little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June ten is stirring around in the house. The and the his brother finally comes it breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house scraping. They bring the town marshal. And he his name was Hank Horton, Horton courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than. Than that. A crazed murderer is hiding somewhere in this house. He as dark house he's holding matches in front of him. With no gun to know, former protection holding matches in front of in front of his himself going from room to room finding bodies there are eight dead bodies in the house and long towels in a small quiet, but western town, the and all of them hitting the head with an axe the access found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. The man from the train was a pervert. And he was instead in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after death the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later. A conman named Jay in Walkerton came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry. He could keep donations coming in by keeping people angry. And he did that by accusing a very prominent local citizen. Frank Jones of financing the crimes. There isn't any chance in the world of Frank Jones was guilty or that he had any any connection to it. But this campaign to prosecute Frank Jones divided Felicita and a horrible and unprecedented way the city fought over whether or not Jones did it or didn't do it for several years and became a badly divided community, you know, families on one side of the line wouldn't play with families on the other side of the line. They wouldn't go they wouldn't shop at their stores. They wouldn't wouldn't have anything to do with them. This battle lasted Valenica for even though. Welcome STAN was eventually run out of town in nineteen seventeen. The the battle went on for a long time and the hard feelings emanating from it. Persist in the city. I I would say to an extent that they persist to the present day. You mentioned the piece about the the person whipping up sentiment in making a false accusation to profit from it. And even that creates a pattern for all. Too often. How crime stories unsolved crime stories are treated yet at the same time. It it speaks to the fact that there weren't cold-case police officers working the crime still the crimes at that time might have been solved by after that period of time by somebody writing a letter confessing or somebody knowing somebody that wasn't it went to almost literally like fall in their lap, which again comes back to the the power of storytelling and how key but just by keeping by telling a story the beginning middle and end of these events. It doesn't matter. How old the story is is that it will get people to listen again and to reconsider again and most likely to connect again to that sense of outrage about what had happened. And so a static police report. Won't necessarily anger people. But when you start telling the story again people's revealing. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And and that's but also keeps kind of the idea of the murder alive. It makes it it gives you a sensation. Again, that is the core of sensationalism. But it does it makes make you feel it again, the fact that this crime in happened had they had they built a any kind of memorial to the family had there been any had there been what had the town done to try to come to grips with the fact that this murder had happened prior to even this conmen coming to town or afterward. The. Well, there was I don't know that there was that kind of sad about I don't know that anyone built a memorial to them. For many years of Alaska. Authorities and I would say this is still true today that people the the chamber of commerce types types in Velasco wish to ballista was known for something else. Right..

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"rian vert" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

WHAS 840 AM

11:33 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on WHAS 840 AM

"On NewsRadio eight forty W H A S. Bill James works for the e advises the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaned was talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing them from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can't have that. I was just saying that you were presenting dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders in blue sky called Velasco living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five. Five or six years. So they I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. Do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? You know, the tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in wide the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. Which a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. There was an interesting that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great aunt had been one of the victims of the crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he'd always pleased that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about, but you said he was tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow. I don't know why it was important to him. Well, I I understand. I understand the sense. It was important to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still didn't have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. No, please. No lot of the book. Book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding. A lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which crimes occurred. They Kurt a hundred years ago. And I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in them fifty sixty years ago. Phil it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived that. They they lived rich meaningful lies. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in spot has a hundred years ago. I was living these boring lies which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and million people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths and also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town. Years ago. Did that very effectively? In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which. Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks? With me that illustrates the point you were just making and that has to do with the soccer in the case of soccer fans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a he had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community a pickle eels because tickled eagles were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there was there was there was conflict and testimony. That said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under Semper twenty-fourth because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on an ice wreck. Couple of days before you eat them. The it's a it's a tiny detail that you would. Would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true talion as a way that talion American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are there are these little there's a flash of light. That eliminates the details of. Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to ballista Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of of Jin nine thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in Felicita due to a a dispute between the ballista city council and the power company, so they had city lights street lights, but they were out and and the town was in complete darkness is this Sunday night. There was a church service. Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims that the woman who is the head of the house after the. After this survey, I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for many couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna. Lena, Jerry, went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the.

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"rian vert" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

13:36 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on KTOK

"You listened the more, you know, NewsRadio one thousand KT. Okay. Oklahoma's first news. Bill James works for the advisers the Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaned was talking before the top of the hour, but the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The was saying that crime stories are fascinating to us because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders. Envelopes guy called bliscoll living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above them, mama levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are apart of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became we can can the week eventually became. Five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. Do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true. Crime is discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that indicates of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that we try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in wide the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. There was an interesting that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. Here at always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shot. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who I am? Understand the sense. It was important to have to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. I'm punished. I I don't know that there's a lot of difference. But he's still did have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead, please. No lot of the book book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which crimes occurred. They one hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived that. They they lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives in which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me million people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their deaths. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also trying to create a picture of how they live and and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town. Years ago. Did that very effectively? In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which. Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it that always sticks? With me that illustrates the point you were just making and that has to do with the chocolate cases SoKo event. One of them. I think it was Sako had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a pickle deals because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflicting testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on on ice for a couple of days before you eat them. The it's a it's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. Stories are these little there's a flash of light that illuminates the details of of. Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to volition Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The the communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in politica. Due to a a dispute between the Velazquez city council and the power company, so they had city lights and street lights, but they were out and and the town was in complete darkness is this Sunday night. There was a church service Sunday night church service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After the service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe murderers would would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity of just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have. Had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with the their friend. The little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June. Ten no one is stirring around in the house. The and the his brother finally comes and breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house scraping. They bring the town marshal. And he is name, Hank Horton. Mr. Horton, courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than that. A crazed murderer is hiding somewhere in this house. It is a dark house. He's holding matches in front of him. With no gun to no form of protection holding matches in front of in front of his himself going from room to room finding bodies. There are eight dead bodies in the house and longhouse in a small quiet, but western town, the and all of them hitting the head with an axe the access found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. Imagine the train was a pervert. And he was interested in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after death the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later at conman named Jay and Walkerton came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry..

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"rian vert" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

13:36 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"Eight fifty AM and ninety four one FM. Bill James works for the advisers the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaders is talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting sort of a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders in blue sky called Velasco living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliss commercials are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became we can the week eventually became prime. Five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit riding preachers ministers. That would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death. And it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody is still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. There was an interesting thing that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he says it reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about it was it was a shot. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that madman hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow. And I don't know why it was important to him. Well, I understand I understand the sense. It was important to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I I don't know that there's a lot of different. But he's still did have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. Please. No lot of the book. What book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. They Kurt a hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these. He's murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like help fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived that. They they lived rich meaningful lies. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible death. But also is trying to create a picture of how they live and give the reader an understanding of what it was like to be an American small town two years ago. I think you did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is that always sticks? With me that the point you were just making that has to do with the the taco in the case asako and vans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a pickle deals because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was. But there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on on ice for a couple of days before you eat them the. It's a it's a tiny detail that you would never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true Italian as a way that the talian American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. Stories are they're these little there's a flash of light. That eliminates the details of. Something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. Yeah. I think that brings us very effectively to volition Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The the communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine nineteen twelve. The lights were out in politica. Due to a a dispute between the ballista city council and the power company. So they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and the town was in complete darkness the Sunday night. There was a church service. I Sunday night check service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After the service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity of just six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have. Had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was plunged into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they walked home after the church service, and and the little girl spent the night with the their friend. The little girl is a member of the family on the morning of June ten wanna stirring around in the house. The and the his brother finally comes and breaks into the house finds a couple of bodies and runs out of the house scraping. They bring the town marshal. And he his name was Hank Horton, Horton courageously goes through the house. You have to understand. He has no reason to believe anything other than. That a crazed murderer is hiding somewhere in this house. It is a dark house. He's holding matches in front of him. With no gun no form of protection, holding matches in front of in front of his himself going from room to room finding bodies very eight dead bodies in the house and long towels in a small quiet, but western town, the and all of and hitting the head with an axe the access found as it usually is next to the body of a little girl. The mansion the train was a pervert. And he was interested in little little girl. Little girl was usually found in a in an attitude suggesting that she had been. She had been outraged after that the. In any case. The crime was not there was a great uproar as you can imagine. But the crime was not solved. Two years later, a con man named Jay and Welker Sohn came to Valenica and realized that he could sustain a phony investigation of the crime by keeping people angry. He could keep donations coming in by keeping people angry..

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News Radio 920 AM

09:12 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM

"Nine twenty four seven FM. Bill James works for the e at vises the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaders is talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the man from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you wanna finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting sort of dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The guy was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders. Blue-sky called blitz. Co living with a mystery it's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. Can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? You know, the tradition for true crime is a discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in wide the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest. He had always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shy. You said he was tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who I understand the sense? It was important to have to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of different. But he's still been have that reaction to. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. No, please. No book book is about is is all all books. All good books are search for understanding. A lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred, they one hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in them fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me in them. And that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was the what how people lived. They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lies which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they they got married I fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them. And I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they live died terrible death. But also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town on two years ago. I think he did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that in it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you were getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks with me that the point you were just making and that has to do with the the soccer in the case and vans? Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred eighteen and he had a. He had witnesses who said that on that particular day. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community, a pickled eels because tickle deals were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was there But was. there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under Semper twenty four because you.

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WLAC

11:24 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on WLAC

"Bill James works for the advisers. The Boston Red Sox. And so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports where linguists talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the man from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world it by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The guy was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got hooked like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders. Invalid sky called Velasco living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are a part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five. Five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wondered into it. It shows you. Do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. You know? And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers. It was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that one point, you know, we're popular members of the community. The. There was an interesting that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released. He always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shot. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow, and I don't know why it was important to him. Who I? I understand the sense. It was important to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. I'm punished is. I I don't know that there's a lot of different. But you still have that reaction to it. Yeah. I think go ahead. Please no book book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. They Kerr two hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me in them. And that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived that? They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they got married they fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths and also is trying to create a picture of how they live and and give the reader. An understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town. Years ago. You did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about in general is that the the focus can be on things which. Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is that always sticks with me that the point you were just making and that has to do with the soccer, the case asako and vans? Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes what are the crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred eighteen and he had a he had witnesses who said that on that particular day. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community a tickle deals because pickled eagles were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there was there was. But there was conflict and testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done under Semper twenty-fourth because you never by the pickle deals on December on Christmas Eve, you have to buy them on December twenty second or something. So that you have time to prepare them and put them in on on ice for a couple of days before you eat them. The. It's a tiny detail that you would. It would never never survive. I mean, you would never know that that was true of Italian as a way that talion American communities live two hundred years ago, except that it's important in a crime story. That's why crime stories are there. These little there's a flash of light. That eliminates the details of of something that would otherwise be totally forgotten. I think that brings us very effectively to ballista Iowa, and the the crime story, which as you pointed out earlier is the one that starts to to give away. The communities are already catching on at this point to the fact that there's a killer on the railways take us take us through what happened invalid. On the night of June nine one thousand nine hundred twelve. The lights were out in Felicita due to a dispute between the Velazquez city council and the power company. So they had city lights and streetlights, but they were out and the town was in complete darkness the Sunday night. That was a church service a Sunday night, check service organized by one of the victims. The woman who was the head of the house after the. After this service. I didn't get into this in the book. But I think it's true. I don't believe the murders would ever have happened when they did had the lights been on. And the reason that was true is that he had committed another atrocity six days earlier about a hundred miles away. And he normally would not have had another outrage that quickly, but because the lights the city was punched into darkness. It was a perfect opportunity for him. And he couldn't pass it up anyway, re two little girls named Anna Lena, still injure went home with a more family, the family of Henry Moore, they.

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"rian vert" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

Newsradio 1200 WOAI

07:40 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on Newsradio 1200 WOAI

"AI. Bill James works for the advises the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports where linguists talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing them from the train because he likes to write about crime. So you wanna finish that? You're you're painting out, and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No, can I bet you're saying that you were presenting Kadhamy of working in the sports world in by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. I was saying that crime stories are fascinating to us because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about on my talk about in the case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders and blue sky called bliscoll living with a mystery is an extremely well done documentary. Mama levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliss converters are part of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into it. It shows you. Do you consider this a crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. That's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime the tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research because all the way back to execution. Sermons shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers preacher's was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this I'll just sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons. And then they would get passed around these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfils the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, I'm not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that it happened. Maybe some closure. Exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. There was an interesting thing that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released. He always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading in my book that and our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about that. But you said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime, and that this man hadn't actually met van hadn't actually gotten away with it. It was this other fellow. I I don't know why it was important to him. I understand I understand that. It was important to know what had happened one guy getting away with an ordinary guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I I don't know that there's a lot of different, but he's still going to have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. Please. Is is all all books are good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which he's crimes occurred. They one hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these murders occurred in and I grew up in them fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived that? They they lived rich meaningful lies. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in small towns these boring lives, which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they they got married I felt above and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their deaths. So that's a terrible picture because they died. Terrible best, but also trying to create a picture of how they live and and give the reader an understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town hundred years ago. I think you did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always takes with making? And that has to do with the taco in the case of and vans. Eddie. One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes crimes committed on December twenty four th of I think nineteen nineteen or nine hundred eighteen and he had a. He had with as you said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in an Italian community a Khalil because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflict testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by the.

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WTVN

09:16 min | 2 years ago

"rian vert" Discussed on WTVN

"And say, the keyword free bottle. Bill James works for the e add vises the Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world. Lingers is talking before the top of the hour, but the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing the from the train because he likes to write about crime. So you wanna finish that? You're you're painting out, and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can have that. I was just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. The saying that crime stories are fascinating too. It's because they they come from the parts of ourselves. So we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about in the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got up like a fish. I was I was I saw documentary about the murders. Invalid sky called bliscoll living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above them levels. Of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliss murders are a part of a series. So I started just going to put an hour into and to try to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a can and the week eventually became five or six years. They I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? You know, the tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that indicates of true crime. You know, it was the it was the preachers who was the circuit writing preachers, the ministers that would come to these towns on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that we try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in the community overall would benefit from his or her death, and it became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought well heck this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it it fulfils the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train. You're trying to bring in even though. Which a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody's still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. On an exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in the deaths of of somebody that one point, you know, we're popular members of the community. That happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interest always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that and our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him that was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shot. He said he was tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that that man hadn't actually gotten away with it was this other fellow. And I don't know why it was important. To him. Who I understand that? It was important to him to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of different. But he's still have that reaction to it. Yeah. Go ahead. No, please. No, the book book is about is is all all books. All good books are searched for understanding. A lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred. They heard a hundred years ago and. I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these. That these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason that the story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system is like how fantastically primitive. It was. What how people lived? They lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who lived in small towns one hundred years ago or often think of people who lived in a hundred years ago, I was living these boring lives in which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and me and people in our lives happened to people in small towns. I mean, they they they got married. They fell in love and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs. They they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they died terrible deaths, but also trying to create a picture of how they live and and give the reader. I am understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town. Years ago. Did that very effectively? In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which. Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism. And you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or their communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders, you know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks with me that elevates the point you were just making and that has to do with the taco in the cases, SoKo and Zeti? One of them. I think it was Sako. Had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes committed on December twenty fourth of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a he had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community a pickle deals because pickled eels were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was, but there was conflict in testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by.

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"Bill James works for the advisers. The Boston Red Sox. And and so it is that he spends a lot of his time in the sports world leaned was talking before the top of the hour about the difference between being in that sort of positive place with very positive energy around people involved doing positive community things and writing them from the train because he likes to write about crime. So do you want to finish that? You're you're fading out. The and I was not able to hear a lot of them. I'm fading out. No can't have that just saying that you were presenting a dichotomy of. Working in the sports world by day and writing crime at night. Yeah. I was saying that crime stories are fascinating too. Because they they come from the parts of ourselves that we don't like to talk about. And don't normally talk about the specific case of the man the train. I didn't make a deliberate and thoughtful entry into the subject, I just got like a fish. I was I was I saw a documentary about the murders envelopes guy called bullets living with a mystery. It's an extremely well done documentary and far above them normal levels of crime documentary. I was interested in it. And it was clear that there was a part of the story that was missing which is that it's relatively obvious that the bliscoll murders are apart of a series. So I started going to put an hour into into trying to learn more about the series. But the the hour became a week and the week eventually became five. Five or six years. I didn't I didn't decide to get into it. I just wandered into. It shows you. You can do you consider this a true crime book? Sure. Yes. It is. Yeah. And that's the interesting piece too. Is that true crime? The tradition for true crime is I discovered in my research goes all the way back to execution sermons. Right. Sort of shares a similar DNA with American journalism. Except that in the case of true crime. It was the it was the preachers who was the circuit riding preachers. The ministers that would come to these towns in on the day of somebody's execution, and they would do a sermon just before the execution that would try to provide the context for why this person was being executed in why the community overall would benefit from his or her death. It became an important part of trying to understand executions in America. And and this is where when the preachers decided there they used to just print up their sermons and people would snap them up. And then he thought this to sell it for a nickel. And so they started to sell their execution sermons, and then they would get passed around and these became some of the early bestselling true crime narratives, it fulfills the same function is what you're doing in in the man from the train you're trying to bring in even though it's a hundred plus years later, in some cases, you're trying to bring a kind of a kind of healing. Anyway, not that anybody is still alive that was directly involved, but for these communities, maybe this this lingering sense of some tragedy that had happened. Maybe some closure. An exactly what happened to their town. And how their town was involved or not involved in in the deaths of of somebody that at one point. You know, we're popular members of the community. The. There was an interesting thing that happened just a few weeks ago. I actually got a letter from a man in London England who was a a his great great and had been was one of the victims of the crime interesting at always believed that the man who was accused of her murder and was locked up without any evidence for two years before he was released as he always believed that he had gotten away with it. And he said that reading it in my book that in our book that it wasn't. That was not actually what had happened was just a tremendous relief to him. That was a shock to me. I hadn't thought about. But it was it was a shy. You said he was just tremendously relieved to realize that it was just a random crime. And that this man hadn't actually that that man hadn't actually gotten away with this other fellow. I don't know why it was important to him. Who I? I understand the sense. It was important to have to know what had happened. But you know, one guy getting away with it or another guy getting away with it. Unpunished, I've I've I don't know that there's a lot of different. But you still have that reaction to it. Go ahead. Please know lot of the book book is about is is all all books. All good books. Our search for understanding a lot of the book is is trying to get people to understand the America in which these crimes occurred two hundred years ago, and I grew up in a small town very much like the crimes that these that these murders occurred in and I grew up in fifty sixty years ago. So it's sorta equidistant from me and them, and that's one reason. The story was powerful to me. But I am trying to get people to understand what what the criminal Justice system was like how fantastically primitive. It was. He what how people lived that? They they lived rich meaningful lives. People in urban areas today think of people who live in small towns one hundred years ago or often take a people who lived in small towns a hundred years ago. I was living these boring lives which nothing ever happened. All of the things that happened to you and million people in our lives happen to people in small towns. I mean, they they they got married. They sell them off and got married, and they got divorced, and they started careers and got promoted and got fired and they moved and they went on long trips and brought back souvenirs, they they had entertainment. So they went to literally every night all of the things that that happened to happen to us happened to them, and I was trying to create a a picture. Unfortunately, it is a picture of their death. So that's a terrible picture because they live died terrible deaths, but also trying to create a picture of how they live, and and and give the reader an understanding of what it was like to be an American in a small town years ago. Nothing. You did that very effectively. In fact, I think that's one of the interesting things about true crime in general is that the the focus can be on things which Rian Vert the inverted pyramid of journalism, and you can spend a lot more time on the things which are less important to telling the story in proper journalism. You can spend a lot more time talking about the atmosphere of a town or the the things that people eight or the way that houses were constructed or their communities were laid out you can you can do that. And it brings a fresh context to these murders. You know, as opposed to the traditional way that that crimes are covered in straight storytelling in journalism context. That's what I really like what you were doing especially when you're getting into the fabric of of these communities. What is it always sticks with me that elevates the point you were just making and that has to do with the soccer in the case asako invent Zeti? One of them. I think it was Sako had an alibi for the time of one of the crimes one of the crimes was committed on their number twenty four of I think nineteen nineteen or nineteen eighteen and he had a. Hey, he had witnesses who said that on that particular date. He was delivering a to his neighbors in Italian community, a pickled eels because tickle deals were a delicacy that were eating on Christmas day. And there were there was. But there was conflicting testimony that said, no, no, no that couldn't have been done on December twenty four th because you never by.

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"The taxpayer and it gives it to people that are the highest earners in the highest tax states uh and so the folks that benefit from the current salt are the people that are the highest earners in the highest tax rates bs basically if those states increased their tax by another dollar the federal government covers 40s hats and so getting rid of it does the reverse all right so when you say the highest owners at the highest earners rather in the highest tax needs the highest earners are the ones who are paying the most and state taxes so therefore they enjoyed break from this that's exactly right it okay that sounds act court that is an example that if the state if the state says you know what we're progressive state we wanna raise millionaires taxes by uh a billion dollars total that means the federal government and say okay well reimbursed you will reimburse those millionaires four hundred million dollars at yet the current law the federal government basically rian vert reimburses highearners out of the cost of of their stay taxes what's names that they end up in with the tax increase it's all goes away if you turkey if if you repeal this again um that put provisional would increase their tax an offsetting that is there is lower rate in the legislation no park difference with insisted disparity is and how much in tax dollars like health california for example since the washington versus how much california gets back as compared to places like alabama and mississippi in texas and some of the other rich days uh uh i don't know the the exact about but it but it is true that higher earnings state tastes have more higher earners um are kind of uh uh on a federal fence because we need lots of tax cuts to any code that says the rich should pay more than the poor are by definition is gonna tax states with rich people more than a tax tack states of poor people all right so it has to do with the in common how indive i i'll much your earning we're kinda earnings remake and in the.

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