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Previously on that. Tony Kornheiser show. I played against Darryl green, and Darryl was probably in his mid thirties at the time and was still a world class athlete. And I always felt really good. I like I could shake derelict. The line scrimmage this island played against him. One time. I'd get like five yards downfield. Where's where's beat me to my route? What I was doing. We see Daryl. Oh, dear. He won't remember me because I was probably the worst receiver ever played against. The Tony Kornheiser show is on now chatter worth corner. Wisconsin avenue northwest and Jennifer street northwest, Washington DC back from Chicago. Happy to say we on Harris's here. Gary Braun is here Michael Kornheiser here Nigel run the board. Do the news that was the voice of Tommy Waddell. I've just I'm gonna clear a bunch of business before we move on. And then we get to the NFL that podcast on Friday was really good Waddell, who I hope would be good exceeded everything that I hope for and his relationship with will is great. So that was that was a thank you listing on that was really good. I love him. I love him him breaking down the guys that he played against his recollections of who who he wanted to be who couldn't beat. That was a great question. I really I really liked him. Let me thank first of all Jeff in Carlo horror who are here from Columbus. Ohio who brought board games of their creation, which we given out to some of the people out here. We also have the anniversary of Casey and Leslie or here on their anniversary. I have some letters. I'm going to go through quickly because I don't usually do this. I've just been given a twenty five percent off a bass product this is from Tony seminar automatic. No. No, no. But this is that's where I buy shoes. But I'm not going to Delaware. I'm not going to Delaware for thanksgiving. And black Friday. Our house has mold and no one can live in it. And it has to be I think the word is remediate. Tear down maybe the word, and so I would love to. But I have some time to use that. I'm happy about that. We have a letter here. My husband, and I are millennials from a story. We listen to your podcast everyday during our separate commutes to work and often text each other are takes throughout the show. Can you believe how much rain at lately, Kyle the person whom I related by marriage returning thirty three this month? And I'd like to surprise him. It's no surprise. Now. We have to we have to sign a card so we will sign a card and that'll be that. Surprise. Yeah. Sorry about reading surprised that I came across this yesterday reading old copy of runner's world, I believe in really two thousand seventeen 'Sleepy. I'd Chuck Todd if he posed for this photo or if you happen to be out on his morning run. When someone jumped out of nowhere and snap the photo runner's world. Chuck todd. Let me see the out in the mullet. He looks like he's in great shape runner runner's world. Chuck todd. We gotta ask them about that joke. Complaining didn't complain about that one and from Zac Evans, and Franklin Tennessee as a longtime little is lived in the south for over twenty years. I was dismayed by your lack of experience with sonic, which is a southern staple of anyone who is not orange in approaching incarceration Ingle side. I don't know. I I've said this I'm from Long Island. I don't know sonically on your from Ohio. I know from the south for not living from Ohio know, how so okay. I think I've seen what in Ohio. Attempt to rectify this agreed situation. Please find several coupons that can be used introduce you to this gust institution while the discounts may not be as meaningful of those offered by Johnny over Brooks brothers on the orange pants. I hope I push you over the hump to give sonic try the closest one is apparently in capitol heights Abobo things. So they usually they're usually pilot populated nearby waffle houses, so sonic to my knowledge. You can't get out of the 'cause this right up. Your alley by a six inch premium beef hot dog, get one free. He would love that. I'm not a big hot dog. They've agreed slushy. Happy hour. Right. Yeah. I think so that's the place. Yes. I let sign this. This is from Lauren's late break. My husband was two thousand and four valedictorian at Connecticut. Esteemed exert your high school arrival of the Loomis Chafee dumpster fire. Eat it Cilicia. It's so wonderful planning a trip to chatter, which makes me happy. So I've done all that. Let me let me give our schedule. We are here today Monday. We are here to on Tuesday Wednesday evening at six in a feeble attempt to build a crowd to to get people to buy food and drink. Yes, we will do podcast Wednesday night. Nothing thursday. The restaurant is closed Thursday on Friday. We will do a regular podcast in the morning. Steve sands will be on Friday right now the restaurants closed, but you said. Yes, you can sleep. Okay. Good. That's okay. But the is and by the way and Tories podcast tonight. That's right. That is a successful podcast. Tories book podcast is already come check around Jerry chatter on books. Yes. Five thirty. Gary's coaches show on tonight. Yes. That's that should be at seven o'clock. Well, they should they should try. Right. Let's get to. Let's get to the NFL. I wasted enough time. I, you know, I don't know the lead story clearly in Washington DC is going to be Alex Smith. But I don't know that I would make that the lead story on any national broadcast. I would think they had those great endings Carolina, their coaches imbecile, you you know, what it is one thing to go for to Canada. Yeah. Absolutely. And if you beat Ohio State, you may get that job for the for the next five years, but as a pro coach, what are you doing? No you go into overtime. You'll have got a better team. Carolina, detroit. No, you don't go for two. Ron rivera. That's stupid hanging on him on Cam. He just missed the guy. I understand. But the guy was wide open as as with the Maryland Newton the blame. But I don't make that call. I go for the tiger over the pros. I say shit in my house on Saturday. I'm sure at some point or maybe we won't talk about the Maryland game. But to me it comes down to this. If you had told anyone on Maryland staff or team before the game, they'd be that. It's. Play from three yards to beat them. Would you take it? Yes. Would you take over time? You say I'd take the play. But carolina. What are you doing? What are you doing riverboat? Ron you're a moron. I mean that decision could literally cost them playoff spot. Yes. But in camrose if Cam makes the throat. You're the better team. The game goes the better. Oakland the Broncos and the Cowboys last second walk off field goal citing bears. Have very interesting game. Cowboys giants when all of these things are out there. But but Steelers even Ben Rothlisberger ridiculous. That was ridiculous. There's only two guys that can make that play because there's only two guys six five and up quarterback. So there's they make that play. But if I'm forced to lead with something the New Orleans Saints. They have now is this nine in a row. They and the only game they lost was one of those early fits seven years pay almost left in my Browns. That's right almost love to my. But what do you think? Now. Now, I never ever had any faith in their defense. And I still don't but who but do do Brees is. And there have been great performances here. He's the unanimous MVP absolute this year, this point homes might take some votes, but he's completing he's completing almost eighty percent of his passes. Mahomes, isn't almost forty years old doing it says much as we rave about Brady doing it at at his age with with with Brees being this accurate. It's never seen this. He was putting balls in emplacing on the along the sideline that you're like, there's no way in hell. This can be the this that had to be. But he did it again does it over again that does it every week. And he's by the way, and I maybe this shouldn't matter, but he's five eleven okay. He's not huge, man. You stand next to him. He looks like a regular adult. I if you put him in a jacket and tie. He got to school doing your taxes. He's and that team right now, and Sean Payton, Sean Payton, his I believe by my colleague, Michael wilbon, I believe he's maligned by wilbon, I'm willin likes Sean Payton, but Sean Payton with drew Brees. That's Brady and Belgium in Belgium. They'll check wall and Montana are the greatest ever. But this is the. Next one this if one one Super Bowl, and that's not a lot of Super Bowls. But when they got to that franchise that franchise had never won even a playoff game early got to the playoffs. And he got he got bounce for a whole year on Payton on that. Greg Williams, bountygate thing I mean, he's he's sort of an easy Guyanese arrogant guy, but their relationship on offense. Like, you if okay let me put it on the same page if Sean Payton goes for two, I don't say you don't have that. You'll have an argument with them on. Then you know, what I mean because he's that good. And they they tonight's game. Say great game. Those aren't those seem to be by a substantial margin the three the chances that tonight's game lives up to the hype hard to me. I was gonna say hi like I tonight ends up twenty four thirteen game. Tonight's going to be crazy. There's there's another takeaway from that. Saints game equals. Daunte eagles down there. They would definitely appear to have real problems. But they are not done because the Reagan's twice. I mean, they have a lot of winnable games in their division. But that looks for real broke. I mean, then how do we how do we sort of explain that? There was last year when that Super Bowl was over. I said on whatever era was on boy Doug Peterson looks like a guy who gets it on offense. And then he really looks like he's I don't know if he's Sean McVay, but he looks like he's in that category. They are no good. They are not an old team. You think should have stuck with foale's? I mean wince has been bad. But once it's been pretty would you foles? No, no. That's that's my question. Not not foes, but sproles they do miss guy that guy they missed. That's their problem defense. They see van scored Tony. What would you have? I mean, we'll we'll get to the the betting records of our predictive analysts later. But had I told you the saints. We're gonna score forty eight. What would you have put on an over under a fifty six and a half for that game? Imagine heavenly having the over the valleys would would score seven point something something appears to be sure and almost unfixable this year. Would you put foles in a game yesterday? I might have done that. But I don't put your you. Can't the other team scored forty eight point. Right. It doesn't matter who you put in there. They're not going to equal that. But if you're Super Bowl defending champ, you gotta do better than seven. Yes. Yes. All of that is too. But I think that the problem how can you pull up their their points against how bad is there again early on the year? Yeah. Is it like over? Twenty-five or up. There are numbers which you can't compete. Right. You can't. And by the way, they will still have the Rams coming to one in. How many ten games? That's not great now. That's not great by any stretch of the imagination comparison. The giants points against two hundred sixty three giant stink the giants. Terrible team. What are what are? Everyone's what's points against the Rams, what's because they they let up a lot. And what's? Two hundred milligrams have played one last game. You know? So I don't know. I don't know. What's wrong there? I think probably the people in Philadelphia, okay with it because they hadn't one sort of like the cubs. They hadn't won in so long that if you if you know good the next year fine. But if you know good two years in Roane, Philadelphia. The play over the jail at the stadium. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's exactly what it was there. Any other game that you saw that you want than anybody wanted to. I might point out. I mean, it's an under the radar type thing, but the colts have now one of bunch and a row Andrew luck for three touchdown. How many games in a rosy throwing for three touchdowns? And he's going down feeling. He's going right. Looks like he's okay. Yeah. And when he was the overall number one pick you said, I'm set for ten years with this guy on. Yeah. Looks pretty maybe predictably letdown after what they did last week. But Tennessee just sensually dismantling New England came here. And he's good Mary is good. What speaking of quarterbacks getting hurt? I was watching a bit of the Baltimore game for Baltimore. Cincinnati. Lamar jackson. They ran him twenty seven times. Yeah. How can you do that? In the in the pros with a quarterback. How can a quarterback get the last guy that? Griffin. What I'm not sure he ever did that. I mean that may have been a record for how many carrying a quarterback that was that was basically playing like a wishbone. Okay. I'll get out of the segment by saying this because that's very interesting. I've paid attention to what was said by the Baltimore team mates about Joe flacco. They're never ever going to say a bad word about Joe flacco because he won them Super Bowl. And he was the MVP. And it's not like they're saying, well, we got to see more Lamar Jackson. They're saying when flacco gets back flacco the quarterback. But mar Jackson's the next quarterback. Yeah. If not this year then next year he's the next quarterback. We will take a break. We'll bomb will join us Kogyo. 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Guitarist grams dad, the father of the year, Mr Chris white, in fact, Chris sneaky tall, and this is from paulie coconuts for Morgan woes asked me to tell Renee that they're playing Winchester, they're playing Saturday night. He writes, if you're sick of your family after thanksgiving if your team lost the big Turkey game if you are broke after black Friday, go on route seven west put the pedal down fifty seven miles and come see the window panes on Saturday night at one forty seven north one forty-seven north Loudon street in the heart. A lovely old town Winchester, no cover free, show them. No pain free. I'll probably be watching. I don't know how to order it. But I would order fill in tiger. But I don't actually know how to do that. Anyway, Michael wilbon joins us now. And I need to Michaels on his way back. He had a great weekend. Northwestern won the. Bears one on Sunday night. And today is what Mr. wilbon today is what I think the anniversary of my birth. It is. Bertha northwestern one skip all on Friday. I'm getting too, okay? Down the happy birthday to mayor mccheese as I heard him being. That's exactly right. So you Tony you hit me. Great great weekend. In terms of your teams. I'll start with north western there to number thirty in the in one of the polls. I think the people really, yes. Very good to hear how about I've never seen my coach and very rarely ever. See any coach, you know, just north western we we'd already won thirteen of fourteen big ten games. We'd won seven consecutive big pink games on the road. And yet we were underdogs by three and a half points. Twenty normally pay attention right with three and a half point underdogs at Minnesota. Not a good team after the game happens. Gerald went off. Really, did you really wanna you wanna make us underdogs at Minnesota of year? These people after the wanna make us the underdog. It was like, whoa. Whoa. Of course. We I understand his. I guess frustration. I thought coaches love it when they have this stuff to work with and he probably used it to his advantage. Yes. All week. But yes, we'd already clinched a big ten west title and Minnesota hit crunch like four and seven and we'd go up there underdog, and we pretty much took them where you're gonna be underdogs when you play either Michigan day. We still we're gonna be massive met. We will be double digit underdogs in a conference title game having won fourteen of. Yes. Teen conference game pay. Maybe not. If you get the Ohio State that played Maryland this weekend. Wow. Or or the your house to play the Purdue go people telling me, I should be rooting to get oral state. I'm I don't know how to feel. Feel why wouldn't route to get that. If I were you because you have a revenge factor with Michigan. You were up seventeen nothing. You know that site Danny green. We are who we thought they were we let him off the hook. I think if I were you crown might want Michigan. What about you? That's what I've been. I've been operating under. Yeah. We won the west division title and gotten a big championship eight December one in Indianapolis. But those who care I've been saying I want Michigan. I want him back as knowledge we gotta go to an arbiter to do it. That's what I think I think the crowd, actually. So I think in Michigan fifty percent of the people at our home game. We'll be were being twenty enough. I think it'll be more like fifty fifty because this this novel thing for us. It'll be like a tiny the Rose Bowl twenty three years ago. We had sixty five thousand of the ninety thousand against u s. In the Rose Bowl at big it might have affect. So I will say this without prompting on Saturday. I'm sorry on Friday, Mike, and I did the show from northwestern on the court, and then we did the Binghamton northwestern game and Mike drove us out to north western northwestern is gorgeous. It is gorgeous that school that town and they have built they have built this indoor football facility. Indoor indoor Philly, including football. Yeah. But it's big enough to have football. And there is an I don't know. What is the exact mileage from downtown Chicago, northwestern, how many miles is that I'm going to guess. Faye? Eleven. Okay. No, no, no. One. Let's say let's say let's say thirteen fourteen there is a spot. There is a spot where you walk outside. This is sort of an athletic eating facility, you can walk outside or even stay inside. Because it's cold a lot there. You can see the skyline of Chicago. And if you are an athlete use you ask where can I sign the paper right now. Don't you think it's? The three hundred and fifty million dollar still the that yet. It does have a indoor practice field with Sony gets walk on. Practice field. We don't have that. Hinton? Lassus? We have no roots. It's all glad it's all glass, and it's on the lake, and I I know I get angry a Lloyd with the dear people of my adopted home region. When like my dear never waters who wanted to me. What do you mean? Chicago has a beach late. Like, I said well on a plane and let another east coast person complete the ignorant doesn't understand if not like lake Minna Tonka. Oh, look there's Detroit. You may as will be on the ocean. In terms of where that building is. And with Onis describing Tony have you talked about the birds? No, this is let me go to this. I looked at the glass the sort of all panoramic glass, and there are little black dots. All over. All over the glass. And I said what does those there in? This building is in a micro, Tori bird pattern. This is to discourage the birds from killing themselves. Right right by to fly right into the way. Remember, it's a fifty hall glass wall along the lake right? And so yes, and we've only had a few bird, but they people signed to every morning wasn't around the building. And if they're dead bird car picture of it here on his phone. That's gorgeous. You're talking about s-. Waesche in where we had all kinds of environmental get that building instruct and live. You gotta do you gotta do. And it is a stimulus of Minnesota with that stadium's glass half that that that biking ships stadium. Like, I'm told out knows. I dare. This. Eighteen twenty a day flying. This thing is certain certain times the black dots. You dopes this? I don't know one of works, but it works. It's let me by the way. Did we'll go full but Bloomberg to get that place built. How big was gonna check you destroy onto Bloomberg just went one point seven billion or minus minus was called sweat equity. In-kind when that helmet is on the bed every day and other things trust. I gotta do a little something. But listen, they're people like the dodgers owner, Mark Walter who's an alum that the donation Pat Ryan my God who spun at the university. It's like nobody else tremend- written check or I mean, in some cases one hundred million dollars. I mean, you don't get to we the Steelers. Down in Vinnie college, America's so there are people writing checks. I ain't one of a write anything like that. I wish I could. I can't. And thank God is to let me in the door. So let me let me bring this up because yesterday, I get a phone call at home. Now, I get back from this airplane flight. And as always happens with me, I take drugs to get to the airplane flight, and then I override them because of my own nervousness. There's not there's not enough drugs. I can take to knock me out on a plane. I get home. It's about two o'clock. I I have something to have eaten in a while. Because I don't eat before I fly. I go up stairs got the television on. And the next thing. I know the phone is ringing. I pay us out. I was tired and I get a phone call. And it's wilpon. He goes did you see what happened? And I didn't know what had happened. It didn't even know what day I know anything about it and tell tell everybody would you it said to me from the routing not the routing into so much, but the historic inch. Of the Washington Redskins. Well, it was horrific to me like anybody else. Eight don't have to know Alex Smith, but I do. And I just I stick cheese. He's one of the few football players. I now know personally, I don't cover as much anymore. It's just a prince of a man is just eight I would kiddies in his thirties. Now, I love his family. Sister sister, Tony work for the Obama. I don't. It just all to the earth people and see him stuff that injury. And so I remember I remember I remember Joe guys been suffering that injury on my birthday. And so there's a connection to me for that Gary Pomerantz that I of course, young pups at the Washington Post the time we had to go to the hospital to sort of try to interview Joe. That night, and of course, chill the next day was like welcoming only fires could be sure. And so. Engine for the different. It happened. My career's always connected to it. Because I was like, you know, a few years in five years, and I've always, you know, I'm probably one of the few people that Joe could he knew I was there with talk to about it about the particulars even years later eight talking about it. And so to see it happen. I'm like, oh my God. I think this is thirty three years thirty three years to the day. Shortage. Went straight to Google and found out. It was not the nineteenth. So not on the anniversary of the birth date. People like Larry King Ahmad Rashad Meg Ryan and me. But the day before and it just Tony you don't know what happened. I mean. This is totally sleep. I didn't know, you know. You know, I've now seen times we we sort of new, and we didn't know because he had to play out. But we thought we knew at the time, and we were accurate, unfortunately that Jones is recruit recruit five minutes. Career would be over. What you remember? Here's the thing. You remember most Lawrence Taylor? Putting his head up to his helmet. His hang around. Yes. His hands to his helmet. Get out get out get out here and Lawrence Taylor, knowing he might killed this guy the bone is sticking to his legs ended his career. And so, you know, so when this happened yesterday, Tony it's amazing with thirty three years. We'll do. I Matthew had flown back to Washington early is with with Cheryl, and the first thing Matthew says is I told them about Joe seismic, and I made him look it up and you too. And he says sort of instinctively at ten years old was dead, medical technology so much better. Now, remember Paul George had the same injuries. When I ain't back in a year. It if Rindt of like, you know, a third of a century. Yes, it is. So this doesn't have to be a career killer for Alex Smith in the way. It was joke side, by the way. When when I got off the phone with you at that point in time. It's the second games are on by them. And I don't have to watch all the second games. I flipped over to the local Comcast station where they had those men was in a sit around flies men looks great. Yes. And he was talking about it. He was talking about his injury talking about what happened to him being hopeful about Alex Smith saying that he doesn't really like to remember that. There's two aniversary is in his life. One is his marriage to Robin, which he likes to remember. And this which he doesn't like to remember. But I I think if you're a certain age, and you're not Matthew the first thing, you think of is we've seen the end of this guy 'cause we joke that I had a hope of generation I'm like three removed from where Paul George was point of reference for him. And he's right. Wasn't that kid for Louisville? Yeah. Same thing where? All the time. Now seems and so I've had you know, my doctor guru, Dr dear friend, Jason Daniels. Amazon who says emergency medicine who treat like injuries like this when police or firemen have jump off a building and save somebody's life and they suffered that effect injury. And now because I was doing Gordon Hayward got her. I was at courtside Gordon Hayward. He called me immediately. Dr Jason Daniels and said, this is not what it was Joe five, you know, she may come back in the same year. So, you know, I I have that any also told me like any other doctors have plenty Tony this is now thought to be a hate to say this word preferred injury relative to torn knee, ligaments, because there's no. Much work. ACL MC L double whammy that people come back from all the time. It's a worst injury now than the injury to Alex Smith suffer yesterday. So I'm hopeful hopefully away, I was not just. All right. We'll talk to you later. You'll be on the show. I'll see you later flying back now birthday. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming for the weekend. You and Nigel and Michael, and it was a extrordinary or for me for you guys to be there and take your time to come in. And celebrate while you were there with me on this birthday so much much much. Appreciate you guys did a great job with old man, but I'm so much older. I'm still young Michael wilbon, boys and girls, we will take a break when we come back. We will do the news. I'm Tony Kornheiser. 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I just wanna because we've come out of the wilbon segment I just want to go through this thing with the Washington Redskins. I'm not going to spend a lot of time that with it later in the show. So I just wanna do it. Now, I am one of those people who always liked cope McCoy. I liked him better than Kirk cousins. I'm in total minority on that. And I understand it one thing I can tell you what everybody's afraid about playing Dallas Dallas Cole McCoy won a million games in the state of Texas. Now, he was a quarterback for the university of Texas. I think. He may have won more games as a starting quarterback in college than anyone ever. Or if not he's real close, and he is real close. I'm not saying there's not a drop off in. But I'm saying that Coleman Cole McCoy is. I think better than you think I and his signature performance was victim Monday Monday night in Dallas. And let me say just from watching that game. Clearly, he knows this offense inside out. I mean the ball was actually coming out quickly. I thought we him there. Now. Now, he might not have the the skills might not have the playing expense might not have a strong arm. What have you, but he's going to be prepared? I like he's gonna be lost in the offense. News in his mind. He's a starting. Yes, texas. I no question about that fans there. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's the guy hill fans there early eight point favorite or something. Now. Definitely connect to now. Big Jake, big Jordan here. Let which just saying expect a big game from Jordan Reed somebody who is not in sync with Alex Smith this entire sees. And got the immediate touchdown from your boy. The next two games for the Washington Redskins are their season. They are at Dallas at Philadelphia. They're two games up on Philly. They are one game up on Dallas. If they get out of that six, I think they're done. But if they get out of that seven five that division that's going to be nine and seven division as winner. Yes. Yes. You know and Dallas and the giants continue to win this two in a row for both of them. Both bad teams have the Washington Redskins play Dallas at all this year. Didn't they beat them? Yes. So you know, yes, they let Dell's back in and got lucky on a misfield goal. Okay. But they won the yes. You play to win the game the entire season for the Washington Redskins. If somebody wants to refute this to me on the next two games both acts. Oh, yeah. They're both winnable. Well, yes, make us village. Philly does not look, I don't I don't think there should be despair over Colt McCoy, but I in somebody who's been a fan. Josh Norman should be happy because they're on the road for thanksgiving. So go ahead and do all the news before I get to the news. A didn't you mentioned the Brooklyn has a show tonight book? Yes. Tonight Nashville in Nashville at a place called frisky frogs, which I know was almost the name of this established. Yes, I chance what we thought about it on demon Brune street in Nashville Nashville. Okay. Sounds like a French music. Hey, you go. To other NFL. Some other NFL schools. We briefly mentioned the colts and big win of titan of titan history. Looks back. Yes. Yeah. We talked about the the Cowboys scraping by win of the falcons. Did you say thing about the giants bidding Tampa Bay they want to beat Tampa one? I mean, they were bad team. But does that thing he gets the start again? Does it not seem like five times this year? Tampa has started either fits magic to Winston comes out there a million interceptions. Bring in the other guy friends of all the way back, and then they lose their terrible another you know, what that coach has to go. Yeah. Another terrible game ended up being thrilling was the raiders in the cardinals the raiders get their second win of the season with the walk off. Yes, it's a look of. And did you say about the Broncos beating the chargers? So walk off. It's the same thing. Stop. Okay. The game. That would be enough. Tonight's game. We want to sit this one. The rams. Yes, again that has been in. This is the one it's not in Mexico City where would have been on at the same time. Anyway, it's in Los Angeles. And it's these are teams you wanna see along with the saints along with the patriots. I mean, there's four or five teams that seem to have separated themselves completely. I will get back on this Kirk cousins thing they brought him in. They let go every quarterback. They had Bridgewater brand overed. Sit get out. We're rolling with this guy. And honestly, the I felt then and feel now that the pressure on Kirk cousins is as great or greater than the pressure on anyone person in the league. He's not been great this. We've seen this guy. We've seen him. He had a pick six yesterday. He had a very he had a pick in the first half where you go into three point zero one of them is the correct answer. So he has not and he knows that all the pressures on him. He's been not nearly as good with a team. That is good as right as you kind of wasted. And but their defense was supposed to be a lot. Their defense. But suppose would carry defense has been so the best. To college football the game. That was the most thrilling game the weekend, certainly for those of us interest in it. How state that was that was in some right to go for two they hit. So. I was open just missed just missed. I mean, he was on with Cam Newton. Yeah. Yeah. Almost the same. Exact you say gets a job if he wins. I almost thought he secured the job in the loss. I mean just to have them. I mean, I guess done work that way. No. I don't think he will get the Maryland job. I think if he'll get up somewhere. That game though, he would have gotten the Maryland, Ohio. He he's done a very good job with this team. He has got they actually have played for him. Well, they played for each other. And they played for Jordan, Jordan, liquors will. But my gosh, they put up how many points against the team in the country. The prior. By the way, Ohio State drops in the polls not in not in the college playoff ranking poll, but UCF went ahead of them. Got Sean at ten. Yeah. And Ohio State for the team lost only of of all the one loss teams also still set up. So that if Georgia beat Alabama they could potentially both be in the playoffs with Notre Dame and Clemson than Michigan is odd. Man, if they were to beat Ohio State. Yes, that is that's on the table. Now. That's on the tape. If state even stayed wins, the big ten championship. If ain't kidding. I don't see how they shouldn't station. And I'm gonna guy I still think they shouldn't get in. So the the other thing is Notre Dame Notre Dame. Now, there's Notre Dame will play USC US's only won three games. Should will Notre Dame suffocated serum gas six three now early? Syracuse did but lost on g but they suffocate Notre Dame in book is very offense here time. Brian. It was wonderful. Get used to. Never wear them. You know, it's for Yankee Stadium. But I know. But I know. We had a great crowd here. Maureen successfully got the Notre Dame club of Washington DC to watch the game here. They expected me to be here. I had stayed in Chicago traumas, the Notre Dame club that the next time. You're here. I'm here. They come back for. See on the playoff. This issue of wish Notre Dame volun- eating establishment of chatter, and there's one other small thing in college football, Kansas. Which is you know, that's Kansas. The land of the lost toys. I mean, you know. Markman Gino pretty well there. They did a Ryan played like four hundred pounds or something. Like that. Les miles is going there now on the cautionary tale is the Charlie weis who'd had success in college, though, not at Notre Dame went there, and bombed but less miles one choice. Never won a national championship. Less miles won a national championship at LSU, less miles has the pedigree. He played for Boesch mbacke Lor at Michigan, less miles. It was run outta LSU will literally make a lot of sense to me if anybody and Kansas, by the way, resurrection of Kansas is five victories. If you have five victories, great shitless miles can recruit. I what I can recruit the challenge air is getting those getting to your point. Tony you you go bowl game at Kansas building the statue. Yeah. That's right. And you only have to win six in order to do that. But did you see the score in the citadel Alabama game? Yes. Tied at ten and old at half unbelievable in the finals. Have handed. Yes. Yes, he did final. Skip other finished with three hundred forty yards and three touchdowns hurt. His knee at all didn't visit twenty to play them. I waited for George. I don't know that I play the way I believe that ten ten at half citadel did not attempt to single pass. But Alabama couldn't handle the option, right? Yeah. What are they doing like at arm? The second half that school in forty seven in the second half. So teen, then they didn't you can't recall the line was what fifty four was with. Oh that was like fifty. I know they're like twenty five or something gets all Alabama. Closely at the at the numbers this year, other than LSU, Alabama hasn't covered all the time lines have been so high right? And they have not covered all the time. Yeah. So I wouldn't have played to. All right. We good on that show. The spread was in the the wizards game. But they fell one nineteen one nine now five hundred thirty four and nine eleven if they go four nine. Better nece is nine and twenty. They are that was a home game against Portland. Now, they hit going to Portland and beat Portland before they had done that. But they put his good. Good. I saw where someone had tweeted John wall is playing all star defense. And by that. I mean, the defense you would see in an all star game. On him. And it should go to fall on Scott Brooks. Yeah. To Scott booked now last night Scott Brooks played his subs. You know, you can say. It's unacceptable and change nothing. Dwight Howard actually, put up some decent numbers had heard his candidate the gluteal saw. Soreness is it's I don't wanna play here anymore. I may have made him. Minutes. It was enough for me. Thank you, by the way. The Lakers win fifty one points. Lebron James then nine. Yeah. Miami's very good. But nine seven for the leg was what was the number that you said the season if and I got laughed at how you feeling predictions on feel better about it than I felt about it when they were in four. I nailed the other. I said Cleveland would not win twenty five and would fire their coach they fired. I got I got that one their their their disaster. What that tells you and Miami has if not been a disaster. They haven't been very good. This has to are you people so dumb that. You don't understand how great LeBron James when he believes what? The impact of him. He makes everybody better. He takes ten like average people and because he's on the court. They're open. Yes. And Cleveland's a great example fines, and then he finds them. He thinks that roster essentially stayed the same and he walks away. And there are dumpster fire. That's exactly why. All right. We will get out here guy radio when we return I'll tell you all about my trip to Chicago when we return, I am Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the policy genius life insurance isn't the most enjoyable thing to think about because most people don't like thinking about dying I confront that day. But actually having life insurance is a really good feeling. It's nice to know that if anything were to happen to you. 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This is the tail end of a song by Smith was little by this this note little hot nights. Great. What's her name? Her name is on only by cheryl's. Right. Gayle mccormick. And the Beatles covered it. Yeah. I never heard anybody anything else that Gayle McCormick has ever done. But that's good enough. That is good enough. They were they were this band that was in Los Angeles. Yes. Smith doing very, much and del Shannon. Saw them in a nightclub and said, hey, you guys have got something brought them in the studio and arranged this along this forty five years that was I think it was nineteen. I don't have the stone. I think it was nineteen seventy okay. Almost fifty years ago. I am so old sixty nine almost fifty years ago. So I need to talk to you about about the Binghamton northwestern game in the great fun. I had doing that. But also I had something happened to me yesterday. That has never happened before. I don't know. Why it happened? I'm willing to believe that it was totally random. I'm not an and the moral. The story is I've got to get TSA approved because I don't want this to happen again. Okay. I've gotta get TSA approved. And I'm not, and I went through the airport in O'Hare, and I had to take off my shoes and take off my belt and take off my code, are you I assume you are TSA approved my wife is and I fly with her. So I get I have done Michael you are TSA approved. Yes of. I know you only fly twice a year. I don't fly we need to take care of this immediately. It's actually worth it. It's about eighty bucks last for five years. I think. So I go I have to go through the line. I have to take everything out of my pockets. I have to take off my belt after take off my coat after take off my shoes. This does not particularly bother me. This is what I I have stuff in my hands. And I go I go through the Magna Mamata. Didn't you just tell him? I got a friend who wants to. We're first class. We don't have to do this that move. I'm okay. And then I get stopped I stopped and I get patted down in a way that is. Well. Whoa. Like, I get patted down in a way that when it was over. I wanted to say was that good for you. Stuck his hand down my pants inside. Side the pants inside. Sure. The song. He has the gloves on still he says this is what I'm going to do. And he looked at me as you blow it in your ear, tone only land Stevenson situation. And I just said, you know, not yourself out. I mean, I the last thing I'm gonna do with saying. No, right. I'm jay. Got his hand. Also in a position that he doesn't know that is very possible on being recorded. Yes. Very possible as I walk through this line. Now, I don't know if this is on YouTube or not yet. I don't know if it ever will be. But I was out there. This was a Pat down. Now Rene who I was traveling with Rene said, I just think it was random. I just it was random even he even put stuff in my hands. If there was bomb residue and I'm thinking to myself, that's more normal. What that's more than pants. Yeah. I just won't. So he was checking out the corn cornhole behind. It was behind. It was like what are we doing? And I did it. Because again, I'm not going to make a fuss that's the wrong, and you know, you need security, I'm in favor of purity security good thing. Hopefully, that's the most invasive thing I've heard I've heard stories about that now. But. Like put on the outside. So what patiently in near sensitive areas? You'll get the pet down with the back of the hand. Watching my eyes close. But that's okay. Do this this, okay? Now. I think that this is I think this is a much more difficult thing for women than for men. Even though women are patted down by women or however, it works certainly in my house. This became traumatic is now. Pat downs are same set. And that's fine. But I was well, I mean, it's more than a pet down. If it's inside the pace that's a little bit. So I was I had stuff was fine. Like, I I'm not I'm not I'm telling the story. I think is when the guy. There's bin Laden. Yeah. So anyway, but yes, you should get TSA approved, Michael. Yes. DO hair security line is the worst security line in the news. It's out the door can be pretty bad to Sunday. Yeah. Felt like very long. No, I know it wasn't particularly long. I'm surprised because whenever I flown a few somebody meets you at the curb. Fry door at to give my luggage taken care of. But I had to go through the same security everybody else, although we got to the sort of not the front of the line, but we got to a place where when we got on the line. It was then only about twenty people ahead of us. But I had had the better experience going out to Chicago of the TSA approved. And so that was by the way, how happy where you to have gone when you did Wednesday night give it you know, it was Messier there's two and listen good. That was Jeanie Valentino of United genie Valentino of United sent me a text on Wednesday or maybe even Tuesday and she used the word challenging Tuesday because Wednesday morning, you said she said that that the weather on Thursday would be challenging which meant. And all of that all of that was fun. So so the highlight for me of the weekend the highlight for me was the Binghamton northwestern basketball game that Mike and I did color on. Now, we were out there. The guy who did play by play who was in-studio with us the week before will Fleming and the northwestern guy the Binghamton Binghamton. No, he's he's ESPN Pawtucket. Red Sox the PawSox with Josh Mauer, the original internet PTI, he's from this areas from northern Virginia. He's sick seventies of big kid and really likeable real. We I think Mike, and I had the most wonderful time with him. That's great. Let me say his Mike win out at one point for about five minutes. It was like amateur hour because now it's me and will. We're not doing any does do. Anyway, I don't know the names of the plane. And we don't need to suck up to him. I mean, I doubt you will work with him again. No. Job. Just traffic copping just getting out of the way. Yes. He did a tremendous lead us talk. So at the beginning of the game will bond we'll on his giving scouting report. Real color guy is detected like a real color. I don't even know you. Wait. So he obviously he did some homework before the shooting around texts him all the time. What they've got in what they're going to do. He went to shoot around and took notes. I didn't know there was shoot around, and I wouldn't have gone invite him. I know we got a guard named Sam Sessoms and everybody says is pretty good. It's pretty good. The real he was pushed outside awake civility that. You took the Larry King approach. Yes. I I I know nothing. I'm not doing any research mug. Go. No, anybody gonna read. No, no, no, no, no. I did talk to Tommy Dempsey for about ten minutes on the phone a couple of days before. So I knew the names of some of our player. That's good. And. Seila toil. I you know, what I sold badly guy. I forgot to do. He passes to the. So I got from Seila toil. I got the words to our fight song. And in the second half. I quoted our fight song. That's cool. Yeah. Which I don't know the tune to and which has been written in recent years because it talks about the Bearcats when I went to school. We were not the Bearcats Leon went to with the Bob cats. We were the colonials you crush that process done here. All of that. And I would just say things like, yeah. We're here for the guarantee down like eleven have to say we were nine nothing thirty in the first half. We played them even second half. Scene to at the end or something there were multiple times during that game. Or I thought I have to be one of dozens of people watch as a gay. Nothing. Has lords talented people. And in fact, acted that. I would say we're not condemning still like they are not because they're not condemning school. But at one point in the second half, I did have. I went out back in and raked the the forest floor in my backyard just help prevent to like, Michael you didn't. While you watch the game lead time was at the game. But I stayed in a in one of the pre-game sweet. So I could see it on TV. I was terrified. That's very different skill set to do a live game with you know, with somebody very well. But also with will who just met. So I watched the please make fun of me every chance I watched. A lot. Microphone which arts, but I was trying to get out of that Jim as quickly as possible. I was hoping that we'd have just a running clock in the second half. We did. Well in the second Email once they rest, everyone old once they played kids who are not even on the team at the open will bunches hijacked. The open goes pardon the interruption and starts talking and we'll find it looks at me. And I go this is live. We don't do live. I'd say I tried to be funny. Did you enjoy? Do it again. I would do that again. But somebody somebody wrote me a note, maybe somebody in this room. I don't know maybe it was Nigel. But somebody wrote me note saying you ought to do the Redskins in the bears. And you know, that's a real game with real the game. Oh, fun. This. This was funded. It's yes, I, you know, I love you guys personally a no use. So I was watching the game. Tony the game was watching. Nineteen two guys were taking threes. And I don't wanna say they clanged they hit nothing. Missed the backboard and the rim. They weren't short. They were role now on the son of finding bed guys mentioned in the pre game twenty one or twenty four it's the spread. And you said I think it should be. Twenty four and for a long time, you were sort of right on the number. Then your guys, you know, northbound's beanies pulled the Carville I made up the spread it covered thirty seven and a half. Well, considering put us the every once in a while they would put us on television. And we would like our faces were on the one that was unfortunate. You know, the thing I was most proud of I had a half hour on PTI. And I had however long that game was and throughout all of it. I wore sweatshirt. Him and to clearly see said Binghamton university. And most people don't know where Binghamton, you know. They've never heard of things you still remember the the worst of the fight song. No. I'd written at the vans with Gobi you which is Boston University. We will we will fight and be strong summit garbage. I was school go that was it was that fun. I did some purple they use it. They use their purpose of cool color, and they union they really do. And the, you know, honestly, that's how gorgeous is that school. You went to a gorgeous school. How gorgeous is that it's beautiful and actually wilbon made a great point if this sounds so small, but if you ever have the chance to take a guided tour from downtown Chicago up lake shore drive through just all of these landmarks will buns life the hospital where he was America where proposed where you know, where his mom would try getting apartment, and when we get this chance, I realize I realized that chance you get to Evanston houses are gorgeous. And you get to campus, and it and it mirrors the city in that each building is allowed to reflect the time in which it was billed which is pretty rare for a campus that he tries to go put pin everything down to that gothic revival architecture or it stuck with those mid nineteen. Sixties buildings the libraries that we can all see. So you have this this beautiful tapestry of different architectural periods. It's really nice. It's really nice. So we're in the car. It's Michael it's me. It's jackie. It's will wilpon and Julia, yes. And will pass the beach the beach to your right as you going north the Lake Michigan beach. That's where I propose to my wife. And so, of course, I said you first wife to be funny shero. Don't be funny. Anyway, it was it was it was actually great fun. I don't like traveling really don't like traveling. But I felt very good about it and wilpon had a birthday party dinner on Saturday night. That was just great just Grady at about twenty five people there and his mom was there too. It was really like, Cheryl and dawn did a great job party together for him for you sat next to a woman Tammy. And and her story was tremendous. She was she was born not born and raised raised in Minneapolis. Her dad was the first black pilot ever for north west which northwest used to be that was the hub was Minneapolis. She ends up. She goes to Stanford and Harvard Medical School. On a podcast though. She does not have a patchy. But I said at the end do my eyes. Let's get out of here. We will have a jingle and any male when we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Really? Rick zoa. You got gains. Name to sit her man with the puck. It's where Mitch Trubisky. He told me kid when you go to mix. It's never been behind three in his life. Please. Not until. It's it's the great Joe arrow singing jingle is by Frank Mertz of Saint Louis. It's that's fabulous. Isn't that? Great fabulous. Let me thank wilpon for coming on the show today as he does all the time, I'm very pleased with that. I'd also like to thank our sponsors twenty three and me policy, genius and Eero. Remember listening? Subscribe to new archived episodes of the Tony Kornheiser show wherever you listen to podcasts including apple podcast Spotify and Google play. And if you listen to the show, I tunes, please leave us a review from Sam Fritz Schaumburg, Illinois. Listen to that show on Friday from Chicago. I had a David Aldridge a moment when Tom Waddell was on the show. I shouted. I know that my mom does the person whom I'm related by birth works at the ABC building in downtown Chicago where yes PM one thousand broadcast from a studio the faces out onto State Street. Whenever my mom goes outside a little break. Tom always waves to her and talks to whenever they share an elevator at one hundred ninety north state St. Thomas, basically, a family friend, even if he doesn't. No it from Andy McBride it cracked me up dismissive TK was about how unreasonable it would be for Notre Dame schedule. Binghamton Notre Dame would never they won't know apparently never redefined as the eighteenth of December in two thousand eighteen because they did schedule. So I was wrong Harvey talked about that. And I did I blanked on a completely we will play Notre Dame Jason roads Asheville North Carolina. I'd love it. If you could give birthday shout out to the best Bernie Goodman nine years ago when I asked for permission to marry his daughter the biggest thing I had going for me was not our shared love baseball might Vance college education like gainful employment or the fact that I was a homeowner. It was that. I was a little to the years. It's been something we've bonded over from laughing. Mr Tony hating on Cilicia along with visits to chatter in jingle fest. Where I got to have a David Aldridge moment. Meet my favorite personality genie. Thank you for all the laughs over the years. They're much appreciated for Michael office. It's not entitled county tried Tompkins. Oh, so what I said was that? Binghamton was known as the Cornell of Broome county because Cornell was entirely county next door gets county does it's okay. It doesn't matter from Brandon Folsom northern Michigan. This the subtlety in which and Brent Musburger both us when dropping gambling talk into broadcast as an art during Friday nights Binghamton northwestern broadcast. There were no subtleties for Mr Tony who said during the first time out break down seven nothing. We're still ahead of the number seven nothing tell Mr Tony took the chatter sportsbook on the road Gabi from Mike Villarosa in Chicago. And that is the guy who who is the chef at Smith it. What is it called Smith and company, I do not remit in the son's with them sons? I would like to some you rance with one line from Friday's podcast Canada goose, I don't think it's made in America for the record. I don't think it's made in America. Either we need the next time. I'm back in Chicago. If Mike Villarosa will will have me and will to dinner, we are going. We ended up at one we ended up at will party which was. You know, sort of preemptively done a very very nice place at. Gibson's talia. And then one night we went to chew locks which just two blocks from the hotel. But I'd like to say to Mike Email, Canada geese are in fact name named for the person who first identified them. What's it called or one dollars? Solid. Yes. And not they are not Canadian snuggie say are Canada's. No the guy's name named Canada. The coach in Maryland, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania during the northwestern Binghamton game Friday night. I was a little disappointed expected some point during the blow effort Tony s wilpon excuse me, if this is off the subject little bit. But just take a guess how much? From John Buchanan. How could the Hulu spell our favorite universities name wrong? If the biggest thing to all they put a PM they're being. Forgot about to tell the story about how the glacier separated us from bridgehampton Westhampton at Southampton and east Hampton and Bing Hampton was hundred eighty miles away. 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That is PAT R E N dot com slash risk. Okay. Now. Beam of this week's episode as I said is daunting and in a little bit. We're going to hear a story that was recorded at our Washington C show when we were last there by Stephan, Michael. But before that we're going to hear his story that was shared at our show in Portland. The last time we were there. This is a story by Aaron pa- Pelata who you can find at pope helicopter dot com. Here. She has now with the story we call. What is he to you? So I was in high school in Wisconsin, my family hosted a Japanese exchange student, and she knows who was just majestic. She was six feet tall with big broad shoulders and a big broad face. And she had this loud laugh and this big smile, and she was so confident and she was so strong. And she was so funny, and she was so weird. And she was like the perfect friend for me, and she did not speak a lot of English, but I was learning Japanese. So what we do is. We would take whatever words I mean new, and we would come by them into this kind of broken secretly in guage. And we built this closeness out of that. And we would create these adventures for each other like one time we were on a field trip to. Science museum, and we snuck away from the group, and we were crouched under this t Rex model, and we are making dinosaur noises as people walked by. And we just had all of these wonderful weird adventures together. And when she had to go back to Japan, we had this big stupid scene at the airport or like crying, and she was walking into the plane. You could be there then because it was the late ninety s and she's waving with both hands and crying. And I was yelling I'm gonna go to Japan and there, and the thing is is I actually followed through I went when I started university, I majored in Japanese and I study abroad in Tokyo. And when I got there as soon as I could I took the train to go meet her. She was living about an hour outside of Tokyo. And when I saw her again, we could not stop talking because in the meantime, I had learned enough Japanese that we could have a normal conversation, and we weren't relying on this kind of like broken for Japanese and English. And for the first time, we could say whatever we wanted to say to each other. And we just couldn't stop and we were walking around for just hours talking, and it was like this enhanced version of what we had in high school. And it was so important to me because I was new to Japan, and I didn't know anyone in every day was all of these new experiences, and it was so nice to have something not just the millionaire. But almost more familiar because now it could finally talk to each other like adults and after a while she starts getting notifications on her phone, and she starts looking down a lot and she's looking a little concerned. And she looks at me, and she says my boyfriend he wants to meet you. But we have to leave right now is that okay? And she kind of scrunches her face up like into an apology. And I think it's really weird because we've been talking for hours, and she never mentioned a boyfriend. But I didn't I didn't think much of it. And I said, yeah, I'll meet him only. Let's go and she grabs me and we've run down. This alley to the main street of nowhere this expensive. Looking red sports. Car comes swerving around the corner and drives up onto the sidewalk in front of us. And I jumped back, and she just is completely unfazed. She's like that's him. And we get into the back seat of the car. And this guy turns around, and he looks at me, and he's got to be like forty years old. And he's wearing black tracksuit and his head is completely bald shaven knee. Looks at me. Like, hey, you you speak Japanese, and I'm like, yeah. He's like good. And then he. Takes off and he's zooming and we're weaving back and forth in between traffic and he's honking the horn at everybody. And he is revving the engine it every red light. And looking at Sonoma like what is happening is this? Okay. And she doesn't seem to think it's weird. She's just smiling and looks like she's kind of having fun than we pull up into this restaurant at it's a family style restaurant. It's really big really brightly lit and the tables are full of people and families, and we when we walk in. There's this man at a table in the middle of the restaurant, and he stands up and he's younger. He's about the same age as me and she knew about twenty and I look at him. And look at chino was boyfriend and they're wearing the same tracksuit. And this guy this younger guy. His head is also completely shaven. And like what is happening? But she know who doesn't seem to think it's weird. It looks like she's maybe seeing him before. And we all sit down the two bald men and track suits on one side me and my toll friends, you know, on the other side and everyone else in the restaurant looks deeply deeply uncomfortable. And the wait staff just seems to be on edge and the conversation is so weird. It's mostly she knows boyfriend talking about cars and motorcycles. And no one else really says anything, but I'm looking over at she and she's just eating and smiling. And she just looks relaxed and at ease like nothing is wrong. And nothing is weird. And I think maybe this is just what it's like to be an adult, and you have dinners like this the older you get. Adult eighty now. And we finish eating and we go out into the parking lot. And she Novus boyfriend is like getting kind of impatient. He's like come on. Let's go, and I know that I should be asking where we're going. And I look at you. And she doesn't really say anything. She suddenly like very quiet we've been talking for such a long time and get nothing out of her. And I know that I shouldn't get in that car. But when I look back at her she looked so relaxed, and she looks like she's in the right place. And she's where she needs to be at. It's almost like this current is pulling me into the car with her into the backseat. And we take off again with the two men in the front, and they're talking, but I can't really hear what they're saying. Because engineer so loud, and we're driving fast again, and we're driving down the street, and it's like all of the other cars and all of the lights are being plucked one by one as we drive faster and faster, and it feels like less and less of a city. And I know we're getting further and further away from any chance I have of getting home soon, and I look at she Noboru, and she's smiling and her teeth are glowing kind of red from all of the lights on this dashboard of this fancy car, and we're going faster and faster and the road is getting smaller and smaller and darker darker and pretty soon, it's only trees, there's no more light. There's no more. There's. No more city. I'm like where are we? I have no idea where we are. It shouldn't be this dark this close to Tokyo. And I'm thinking this is the kind of car that my mother told me never get into. And this is the kind of place. I shouldn't be and she knows smile is getting smaller and smaller and return onto a smaller road at it's only trees now. And then I hear gravel under the car, and I can feel gravel in my stomach then like this. I need to decide now which way to run. And the doors open. And I smell cedar, and I smell incense. And there are these little lights glimmering, and I can just make out the walls of an old wooden building. And a sweeping tile roofs. And I know exactly where we are. We're at a Buddhist temple. And then I know I know what these men are their heads. Are shaved these men are monks. And I get out and we walk into the temple. And she novas boyfriend leads us in and all the lights are dark. There's just a few of these glimmering lights throughout the temple and it's like walking through a haunted house because as we walk into one room at appears. And then when we walk out it disappears behind us, and we walk into one room, and there's this elderly couple sitting at a small table, and they look so sad. And they look so far away and there's food on the table. But they haven't touched it. And it's like looking through the window of a dining car and a model train. And she was boyfriend greets them. And he says, hi mom. Hi, dad. I'm home. And they nod to him and they nod to the younger man, but they don't even look at me or Sonoma, boo. It's like we're not there. And then all of us leave in that room disappears. And she knows boyfriend takes us back behind the main hall, and it's the storage room. And there's these gold things in there that I don't understand what they are. There's drums, and there's cushions and he pulls a drum off of the shelf, and he starts beating it, and he starts chanting at it's so beautiful his voices. So majestic and it just fills the holes. And it's like I'm somewhere else. And then he stopped suddenly, and he says you see that I do that in a ceremony and I make five hundred dollars. And the younger man laughs, and she no rolls her eyes. And I'm like five hundred dollars. And then we leave that room in that room disappears. And he brings us back into his apartment and. The carpet is read in the furniture is this black fake leather. And the only thing for decoration inside. This house is these tiny bird figurines, and it's this mascot for candy kind of like a toucan Sam. And he has them all over. He collects them. They're really creepy with these beady little eyes, and we all sit down the floor. And she knows boyfriend tells me everything about his life and about this temple for two hours. And I find out that this temple. It's a family temples. So it gets passed down from father to son throughout many generations. So she knows boyfriend was in line to inherit the temple because he was the only son, but he didn't want to do that. He wanted to join a youth motorcycle game. And so his parents said, okay, we'll make a deal. If you don't join the game. And instead you get ordained and become a priest and take over the temple. We buy any car or motorcycle that you want and he had so many that he was running dealership on the side. And he was supposed to get married and he didn't. And that was a problem because he didn't have a son to pass the temple to the next generation. So that's why the younger guy was there. A younger guy was the apprentice in lieu of a son, and the parents were very upset about this. Because it meant that the lineage of the temple was going to be broken wouldn't be in the family anymore. But the boyfriend didn't care he had his cars, and he had his motorcycles. And he had an apprentice who you got to tell what to do and he demonstrated this by making the apprentice give him a massage in front of us. And it's getting late and it's well past midnight. And I know that the trains of just stopped running. And there's no way that I'm getting home that night. And I know I have to spend the night in that temple. And she nobody gets up and she draws a bath. And she says you can take the first bath. It's really nice. And it sounded so normal. So I went into the bathroom, and I locked the door, and I sink into the deep bath, and it is nice and the water's warm, but my muscles are refusing to relax. It's like they're fighting the water. And I can hear she Nobu and the priest arguing outside the door, and I just hold a still as I can because I need to hear them and the water starts rippling won't be able to hear them. And the Pri says she's going to join us, right? And my body wants to react. But I can't because I have to stay still. So I can hear what she says. And she says, no, no, why style happening and I'm starting to tremble a little bit, and I can see ripples in the water, but I can still hear them. And he says, but she's going to watch at least, right? And she know who's like hell now, and it's the strongest I've ever heard her say anything, and then I hear a hand on the door and Tannock. And then I hear a slap on the back of a bald head, and then I hear nothing. And I'm sitting in this water, and I can hear. The movement of the water of echoing through the room, and it's very calm. And it's very peaceful. And it's so the opposite of what's inside of me. But I wonder how long can I stay in this bath until I have to go and deal with what's outside. And Finally, I I get up and I get dressed, and I take a deep breath and like we're going to face this. I go outside and and nothing happens. She know who and her boyfriend they get up, and they go into the bath. Nice. Sit on the sofa and the apprentice lies down in front of me on the floor and just falls asleep instantly starts snoring. And she and her boyfriend come out of the bath. And they go into the bedroom without looking at me without saying anything, they close the door. And I'm alone now on the sofa, and I know that I can't fall asleep. I have to stay awake because what if she falls asleep? And that priests comes back, I need to be ready. So I'm sitting on the sofa. My eyes are fixed on the door. I can hear she know boo and this priest having terrible sex, and I can hear the apprentice snoring. And then everything kind of goes, quiet. And that's when it gets really hard to stay awake. And my eyes are adjusting to the darkness, and I can just now make out all these birds and they seem tiny before, but they don't seem tiny anymore. They seem very sinister. And my eyes are moving from bird to bird to bird, and I start counting them. I count them over and over and over again how many birds are in this room. There was forty five no one hundred and forty five. And then I moved onto other things. I braided unbranded my hair. I went through sawn lyrics in my head. I keep out piano songs that I had learned in elementary school. Just keep them out on the sofa anything that could do to stay awake. And finally light starts filtering through the through the windows and finally this door that I kept going back to opens. And she was boyfriend walks out in full priest robes. And he puts his hands together. And he looks at me, and he looks like a full page photo from a religions of the world textbook. And he looked so priestly and he looks so good. And he looks nothing like what I saw the night before. And she Nobu comes out and the apprentice wakes up, and we all go out into the parking lot. And the Pri says he has to go do a ceremony, and he tells the apprentice to drive me and she Nobu back to the station. And just as we're getting into the car, the priest digs into his robes, and he pulls out a stack of cash, and he hands it to she Nobu. And I had this rush of knowing too much information at once looked at her like is this what I think it is. And she doesn't look at me. She turns away. And we drive to the train station in silence, and we get on the train and we sit next to each other. But we're looking forward, and we don't say anything. And she gets off. I and I say goodbye. And she says goodbye, but there's no crying waving. And there's no sane. Oh, see you another time. And I can't wait to see you. There's nothing like that. It's just goodbye. And as soon as she's gone. All the sharpness inside of me just leaves. And the sun is kind of filtering through the windows of the train and flashing and the sound of the train is so hypnotic and safe and all of the people in the train the white noise. Everything feels so safe and as soon as she's gone, I fall asleep. And I fall asleep, and I don't wake up until the train hits the end of the line Smith station. And I never saw her again. I didn't try to call her and try to right? And it's because I was so angry, and I didn't care that she was a sex worker. I was actually relieved that that priest that horrible priest was not her real boyfriend that she was not going to marry him. She was never going to join that horrible sad. Temple family. I was angry because that priest specifically asked for me to come. Which meant I was part of that job. And she never told me. And yeah, she protected me when he decided he wanted more than conversation. But that whole night I was looking to her for answers. And she gave me nothing. She never told me what was happening. And even after I found out. She never told me what it was all about. And so I never reached out. And then years later this postcard arrives at my parents house from Sonoma boo, and it's a picture of her and a man and a little boy. And they all look so happy. And she's written in hand happy new year. And then the name of the boy next to his picture. And that was it. And so I wrote back I wrote her back a long letter telling her about my life and all of my contact information. And I never heard from her again. And I think the reason that she sent me that postcard was because she wanted to know that she was okay. And I think the reason that she never wrote back to me was because she has a new life now. And I knew something. About her about her past that probably very few people knew maybe no one else knew. And because I knew that. I could never be part of the life. She has now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Start assault bus. Sorry. Mom. You'll find out what? My mother always told me that have a tendency to look at everything like a puzzle even people. And that gives me trouble. This story takes place five years ago. It's November of about two thousand twelve going on two thousand thirteen I'm minded party. It's all. Because engagement part is awkward. Usually you meant their parents. She's met your parents, the families don't know each other. And they gave them a party. Also takes place around my fiance Jane's birthday, writing it end of November at some point in between all of the people talk and the things going kind of weird. My sister's not really getting along with everybody else in the family. My fiancee, Jane has a little mini meltdown. Just because she's so anxious about what's going on. She's worried that everyone isn't really getting the Mon toner. No, sweetie. Everybody's get along spun. Also, remember, the first time allows people in each other don't worry about it. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. Apologize order. So we tended to like sometimes things up and down. And she had this way. Looking at me that was so intense. It made me feel like I was the only person that ever existed, and I could do anything so us being engaged was kind of just the next logical step to us knowing each other. We know each other. I was twenty four she's twenty three known since I was about twenty one and we've been fast friends, she was very sexual. Not not like that. She just knew what she wanted. And that was me. I was like oh great. I don't have to jump through hurdles. So the goes, well, actually what I think the party this happened on a Saturday following this Sunday. She had like this big. Was Goldie like just look into your soul. Mother was very overbearing. And I mean overbearing in the way that like her father was afraid to an argument with her overbearing. So it's the following day to cause me at like twelve which is like, hey, what are you doing? Do so. Couple rows call up stressed out. Mama Stresa MIO. She keeps actually questions on engagement. And I'm like. Tell you the calmed down when not actually getting married at least until like again now. You don't have to think about all the stuff right now. Tell hard calmed down. It's your wedding. Okay. So around nine hundred and I call from day telling me that James hospital because she just tried to kill us. So. Swallow, like a whole bottle pills and tell me come down the following day because the hospital right now the following day combs, and I go to the hospital mistakes place and Delaware. I end up spending a week by her bedside. While I'm in the middle of grad school, and I'm also being the point of contact for all of family members and her parents whenever they can come in because oh, by the way, her dad had to go get surgery to have his arm remove because a tumor. So it's a lot going on. I want to say about like towards the end of the week. She actually wakes up. She looks at me. And she says, hey. Are we still get married? Sweetie. Had a suicide attempt like let's just focus on getting out the hospital right now. And I promise you, we'll talk about this. This is December. We goes by. Wakes up gets a. She leaves hospital the hospital now, we're kind of moving on. That was a red flare. We've been friends. So I'd heard stories about things that she did before like she was amazing our threat because she taught us how to play like four different instruments. She was a Bali dancer. She told me stuff about hacking. She had crazy set of skills. She was very intelligent. So us being engaged. I was like, okay. I'm sitting here. Watching my fiance fight. Live and I'm like twenty four years old. And I'm just like, okay. Can you deal with this? But. It was some doubt. So she gets out of the hospital. She didn't like the story that she told me she wish she had never told me a woman we were younger while she lived in Tennessee. She told me if you ever want me to do anything for you just give me talking. I'll do it. This is what this is about. I know lines. You don't cross someone. She had mentioned to me a long time ago. She got drunk one time sex with a guy and somewhere along the way, she stuccoed because he wanted her to she hated that. I remembered this story because it made me laugh. Not because I thought it was comical just because I thought you told me your mad that I remembered it. Of course. I remember. At some point in around mid-january. We sit down and she asked me. Hey, are we getting married? Yes. I never said a didn't wanna marry you. We have the focus on you right now. We have the focus on like getting you better. At least point where everyone including you feels like this is a healthy thing do because if we just move forward like nothing happened. That would be insane. So February calms she takes to a concert in Baltimore Modu, still live in Delaware. And right on the NFL. She says, hey, can you help me lose weight like on the I need your help? 'cause I don't like certain things about like myself. I don't like my eating habits and your discipline. You could help me. And despite the fact that I have any expertise on. I sure hope you just tell mutual many do marshals around and we go for run around like a basic suburban neighborhood. We do it for like an hour. We get back in the house. We're both sweating sauce, and she's like, Hungary. Okay. Cool. What do you want to eat? She's like, I don't know what I wanna eat. I just know each something. She had this terrible God awful treat. She liked to eat. She liked to eat nachos. But it was seafood. Nachos. I love nachos. I was just in the back eating not choose. She likes seafood. Nachos. No. No. No, no. It was nachos with imitation. Crab meat. Vegan cheese. I don't know notice about some kinds of cheeses that grocery. The grocery they don't mill they just get hard. If you warm them up. And it was with mango pineapple salsa. That was more sweetness saucy. It was disgusting. I hated it. So she's witnessed together going all around kitchen. And I'm like, what are you doing? I'm going get you some eat. We are across the street from a place like the calm down. And she's like, I'm eating this leave me alone. I'm not bothering you. Just home you hungry. Asking me to help you this thing. You're making is not a good thing. They eat and she stood up upset sable Tamai. Right. But kind of diagonal are listen, you gotta give me the plate. We can't eat this come on stop lame ratio. Take the plate. As she stabs me. Whatever reason she decided the ghetto fork steak knife and she stabbed me with the fourth left risks. And so I jumped up like anybody. I look down on my head. And I look at her, and I say you stabbed me, and I go to reach my right arm as she stabbed me with state, my phone this arm. And so now, this is bleeding, and this is bleeding, and I'm still confused. Because never years that I think that someone who engaged to be married to who. I spent a week by your bed after you suicide attempt whatever stab me back away. And I like move a chair in between the two of us that give us some space and she stabs him, right leg. And now angry. But then I realize there's no one else in the kitchen right now. It's just me. It's just me and her so someone walks in fall, they know a hater someone of best spot. I saw a light bulb goes off say, oh, I need a witness saw slob by her. And I go look and see who's there who's there? But he's sleep on the couch because you only has one arm and he's tired. And I realize I can't leave because she's crazy and she stabbed me. And I have to de-escalate the situation. So back in the kitchen, and we just kinda stare at each other for a little while. And all of a sudden as if a light bulb goes off on her head she snaps out of it. Gives me a napkin says oh my God, you're bleeding. And I say. Bitch. You stab me? Remember saying you stab me at least eight other times. And then I say I'm going to leave now, and I go out to my car, and I get in and sit down and start screaming because I don't know what else to do. And I started laughing because that's how respond when I don't know. What else to also? Always thoughts raising my mind because the woman that I love a month before. Okay. Yeah. How many kids are we gonna have? I guess I'm a stand Delaware. Maybe we'll move somewhere else. How are we going to do this? When we go on vacations, and my mind prior to that we had a life that we won't have. And then she stabby. And now, I don't know what to do because I'm bleeding and his bed, but it's not bad enough that I think I need to get stitches not because shouldn't go to hospital, but because our I'm gonna have to explain this to everyone, and I'm gonna have to explain this to my mom. And I said sorry mom because there exists the pitcher everyone of my family holding a gun. And I'm deeply worried that if I tell my mom this happens, she might shoot my fiance. She might justify it because she stabbed me. But I don't know. So I don't go to the hospital go home, and I don't bring go from the mealy because remember she's crazy and she stabbed me. The next couple of weeks. Go by like a blur. At some point. She says, you know, I'm not happy with the way you leading our relationship. I think we should go to couples therapy. We have problems. And I say all really. Sure, let's go to couples therapy. And we get a couple of therapy. And that's a blur as well. Because at some point she mentions that she's not happy with the things that I'm doing. She wants me to lead things in a more spiritual religious way. I'm not a religious, man. I remember being a child at the age of six and wash people in church jump up and down and fall on the ground. My mom ago. What's wrong with her? It just never hits them e Sar. So she wanted that I didn't wanna provide it and she told her there, but she didn't like the way I was leading the relationship. Little did. She know it was leaving exactly where I wanted it to which was the end. More time was by at some point. She can't argument. And I say, listen, I understand you have problems meshed them to me, and I'm going to work on them. I wasn't going to work on them. And I say, but I'm easy to stop bringing this up because I am annoyed. And if you bring this up to me one more time with done. She did more time and I called on face thomps. Hey, listen. I needed the now. After that. I had gone to school for behavioral science. I thought we could between myself, and our parents, and our therapists we all provide a safety net for her. I was wrong. I wasn't the Eric Twenty-three-year-old to think that could help someone in that way. She had a lot of things going on. And it wasn't really working and I never been therapy. But I knew if someone stabs you and you were in a relationship you should go get help. Do. At some point. I remember sitting in therapy therapist, Santa me. Stephan. You can't look at people's like puzzles your mother was right. Ever since that day. I've kind of looked at it. So that. The idea of was who I was going to be in the life that I was gonna live died in that kitchen at who. I am now is just what calm after I realize Asian. Because did figure out her puzzle. Solve. It was in our is what I thought was this intense loving look. Was just the look of someone who is in a lot of pain, and they were looking to be validated. 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This week's episode is a real rarity on the show we have had dozens and dozens of dominatrix dominant women in the king community share their stories on the show before and some of those stories of bit about very rough play. But all. Ever has a dominant heterosexual male dared to share about their experiences around all that. And so that is where we are going to go. Now, rod hood shared this story with us at our last Vancouver live show here he is now it's rod hood with the story we call how about now. Hello. Some of you may not like me very much when I'm done with mytalk because I've done some things in my past like burn a woman with the lit cigarette. I've caught a woman with a knife. I've kept woman locked in my pitch dark basement for two days. With an octopus. Now that last one I'm going to clarify a little bit that was for a photo shoot. And like everything I do it was by consent and by request actually all the things I listed where all by request and technically I didn't really fucker with the octopus. I kind of helped with placement and the photos were beautiful and amazing and the octopus was dead. So what I really do is play in the very deep end of our local kink community pool and have done so for many many years, and in that time have developed a reputation as kind of go to guy for more. Some of them are out there things like getting fucked fine octopus for a photo shoot. But I only have a reputation as a hard player and somebody who will do some of the more extreme things. But the other thing that I've cultivated over the years is a reputation as a gentleman dominant, and it's too. I do teach a course on how you. Can be dominant and still be a gentleman even when you're doing some very very ungentlemanly like things, which I love to do. Because at the bottom line. I'm the saddest, I'm the sexual saddest. I derive pleasure from fucking with people's bodies and fucking with their heads by consent after careful negotiation. So it came as no surprise to me one day when I was out for a coffee date. I'd been chatting with the woman on fat life the Facebook for kinky people and we'd set up a date to discuss having having some play, and we're not more than five minutes into the coffee date when she stops and says, you know, my friend really needs to meet you. I'm like, really, your friend. Why is that? And she said, I'm not going to tell you why she really needs to meet you. But you really needs to meet you can I give your Email and clearly this copy dates not going very well. And I'm arrest taker and love to get out and try new things, so I'm like, sure she can have my Email. So. So about the copy data ended, and of course, when nowhere and about four or five days later. Sure enough. I get an Email from young woman who I will call Sam and Sam wrote generalized emails, saying derive, my friend is giving you my Email, and I'm interested in exploring some kinky play it'd be chat about that. And I responded saying sherpa. And I also wrote back specifically saying your friend said you really need to meet me. Why is that? And she wrote back saying, it's very personal. And I prefer to discuss it in person. Would you be open to that? And of course, I wrote back saying, great, let's meet somewhere for coffee and Sam wrote back saying, I don't wanna meet for coffee. This is far too personal. I need to meet face to face somewhere. Private can I just come to your house and red flag for me? This is a little bit unusual. This is not traditionally safe kinky play to arrange to meet an older kinky dominant man at his home. The first time you meet them. It's just not smart. But I was very very intrigued about what she wanted to discuss. So I said, okay, you can come in meet me at my home, and we arranged to meet for tea and on the afternoon tea. They're not came at the door, and I opened the front door and. I looked up into SAM's is who stood a good couple of inches over me, which is a little bit disconcerting because it's kind of hard to feel dominant all powerful when you're looking up at someone. And even if you're on tippy toes, you're not very stable. But remember that if people are kneeling or tied on the floor that you are taller than them. So I invited salmon and we made small talk for about two minutes by now, I am just bursting with curiosity, and I'm like, all right? I'm just going to point blank. What the fuck? Do you need to see me about why did your friend? Tell me say that you needed to meet meet specifically, and she got a little bit quiet and look down, and then she kind of looked up and she said that she wanted to be punched in the face while being fucked, and she said I want to be punched in the face while being fucked and fucked roughly. Like, I'm not gonna lie that's per satis. That's kinda hot mic. Okay. This is intriguing and she was an attractive and nice seemed intelligent. But I felt that we should probably dive into this a little bit deeper because wanted to get punched in the face while fucking is a little bit hard core. And one of my getting her into one of my getting me into. So I asked why do you think you need to do this in Sam said that Sam said, you know, I was in a very abusive marriage for a number of years and have been out of it for about six months and during the time that I was in that marriage. I was subjected to spousal rape. And he beat me during sex, and Sam said that she had she said, you know, I always had an interesting kink, and my ex husband destroyed that and my she went on to say. I feel that if I do this in consent to it somehow I will be taking ownership of kink again and by consenting to it. I can somehow feel good about it. So we chatted for a while longer. Because this is you know, kind of risky from number perspectives from from mine, personally, I'm not gonna lie. I don't wanna go to jail. I just want to have fun, and I don't wanna fuck anybody up. So we chatted for while. And I felt that she was, you know, reasonably a reasonable and intelligent and was in charge of our emotions and that. That we clearly clicked and got along. And I agreed that we would set up the play date so sometime later when she had day off following. And that was another thing that kind of triggered me that she was taking good care of herself. Because she wanted to make sure that she had a day off the following day in case you needed any recovery time. So I'm like, okay. This is good. I think we can do this. We set up the played eighty the day of the play date arrives the door opens. And I, you know, don's anxious point number one because when you're agreeing to do something, and I have just agreed to. Total stranger and punched in the face. There's no real script. And there's no script for starting that like I've. Like, I've done other things where you know, you're going to do a schoolgirl. A woman wants to be assaulted at the doors cookies part of her fantasy, you know what to do right door open scrap girl by hair slam door have with their. It's all kind of scripted out. If salmon I were going to the movies, you've got a social script, right? This is normal. Social discourse you go to the movies. You know, you're gonna buy tickets you're going to go to concession. You're gonna sit down you're gonna watch a movie maybe you'll have a kiss maybe gopher snack. But our roles are defined. And when you're doing what I've just agreed to do. We don't have a real and seven I hadn't discussed lots. And of course, we had consent, and we had discussed the fact that you might get a black eye, and she was good with that. And I'm like, that's even hotter for me. But a gained you have a good cover story. And she had no concerns about work or anything. So you know, that level of play was it go. Anyway. So we're standing out the door, and I've got that level anxiety running to my head. I do I do we start. And I said, you know, what I think we should just go up to my bedroom and Sav member Sam smiled and nodded and said, thank you so lead up to the bedroom. And I let her go into the bedroom. I, and you know, she wanted something pretty rough and taken so the bedroom door closes and it's game on time. So I remember pretty much grabbing her by the hair and throwing her down on the bed and she wanted rough. So that was lots of rough housing and slaps, and I remember getting your shirt off and then getting her bra off and getting your pants off and still trying to hold her because you know, it's part of this whole consensual non consent sane. I kind of check her pants off and down with one foot while maintaining control and now Sam is naked, and I'm not gonna lie throat this in the door on your as domino. You're always kind of anxious are things going well crossed any lines. So of course, as part of the whole scene, I just reach down and grab her in the crotch and two reasons number one, it's an assault scene. So you wanna do something salty for the realism and number two. I wanna make sure we're having a good time. And you know, Sam was clearly having a very good time. She was highly aroused. So that's green light, right? Things are going. Well, you feel you're doing a good job as top so carry on. And I start to get myself on dressed, and I eventually I am naked. And now, we're at anxiety point number two. You know, given the other anxiety of played eight is you're doing consensual non consent. Rough play seen anybody ever try and smoothly role on a condom with one hand while holding town struggling partner without breaking the scene because you don't wanna say I'm just gonna sit up that on what back in because you're creating a whole theatrics creating that TI Trich and then emotion, so I hold her down by the hair, and I've got one the honored happened. I managed to roll that thing on. And I remember I threw Sam on her back and looked at her. And clearly it was green light time and just dove and no preparation. No. Warning just slammed right and Sam gasped. But then she wrapped herself around me. And even though I was being rough. She was right in their arm. Around knees up around me and the fucking is good. And I look at her. And she's even though I've been rough she's smiling. And I'm like, okay at green light. This is good. And I let that go on for a couple of minutes. And I'm like, okay. It's let's check out this punch thing and again, anxiety point number three or four whatever, I'm how is this going to go because you know, she's a relative stranger. She's pretty clear on what she wanted. But I'm punch somebody in the face during sex. I don't want this to go sideways for either of us, right? Like, I'm not getting let out like this. And I think that I'm a pretty good judge of who I'm playing with because I've been doing pretty extreme stuff for more than ten years and have yet to be arrested or or have anything like that happen anyway? So she's down there on we're fucking. And I kind of just give her a light on the cheap and I hit her hard. But not hard enough to do any damage mostly enough to shocker and see how it goes. And I looked down. And I got a big smile and a nod, right? Okay. This is going. Good. We can hit again. Lie the fucking getting better because I'm getting aroused because I'm getting to do something fairly extreme. So I hear again, and that's a green light. So then I really hard up by the I because that's what she really wanted. And that well, honestly, don't remember how many punches there were. But shortly after that everything just changed was just like we went from passionate. And they're and involve too distant sounds gone from the room. You get that feeling on a bad coffee day. Right. All of a sudden, the person is gone, and I looked at her. And I remember her saying specifically, I need you to get off right now, I need to stop. So immediately I rolled over to my side of the bed, and I took my up to my chest. And at that point. Honestly, I am hiding erection because something's got really bad, and she doesn't need to be staring at that. So I give it a couple of moments, and I asked her what's going on. And she looks at me and she looks down and then. She starts to politics. I'm so sorry. But I think I need to leave. I don't think I can do this. That's not a problem. Like, you don't need to be sorry. If it's not working, you can go home, no questions asked. So I reached down and my closer in an e pow by bad, I put them on and look around the room for SAM's clothes, which of course, are tossed everywhere and Sam get stressed and I walked through the front door, and she starts to politics. I'm so sorry. I'm like Sam. No, don't be sorry that didn't work. It's just fine. And we get down to the door. And she starts to apologize again. And I'm so sorry. You didn't even get to finish. And I remember saying stop. You don't need to be sorry. You don't need to finish. It. I got to meet you. I got to punch you in the face. Fucking was really good. So I didn't have an orgasm. I'm grown up, man. When you go home. If I feel the need I can take care of myself like go with my blessing, and she still really sad and uncomfortable and to looking down at the floor, and no my I have twisted sense of humor and that switched goes off. And I think what the fuck I'm left at her. And I remember saying I'm sorry, baby. I won't do it again. It's just that you make me so mad sometimes. And then I'm looking at Sam, my brain is going. Oh, fuck, you know, you've got all the way through the day. And you've now Ronit you've crossed the line. But she burst out laughing, absolutely burst out laughing. And then I asked her for a hug, and she gave me a great big hug, and I remember. We were hugging. And then a penny dropped for me. And I remember I pushed her back a little bit. And I looked up at her. And I remember saying I don't think you needed to consent to being punched in the face while fucking. I think you needed to be punched in the face while fucking and say stop and how somebody listened for once. And she looked at me. And I remember she said, oh my God. You're right. And we had another hug and wished her. Well, and she went off and the afternoon and the next day. I follow up with an Email. You know, thanking you for coming over telling her everything's, okay? Remember saying, you know, so glad to have met you. And then several days went by before I heard from her, but I did eventually here from her at the end of the week, and she wrote a very short Email. But I remember her specifically saying thank you so much for the experience, I founded cathartic, and she really appreciated how I had myself, and what happened at the end of the meeting or the end of the play date, and I never did hear from her again. But I'm not gonna lie for somebody with my bent in sad them to to get away with playing at that level. But also knowing that on the outgoing and somebody derived a great deal. Oh of pleasure and Roques out of the experiences is truly rewarding. Thank you so much. Jason down. Trying to make a code live out of. Thank you. Engine. I can take. That is all for this week's episode, folks. This is Laura Marling behind me now, and we've just heard from rod hood, there are some people it's a small percentage, but there are some people whose kinky exploits are connected to trauma in their lives. And that of course is risky in its own way. Psychologically, append oars box there as always here at the show don't necessarily endorse or promote any of the choices or decisions or opinions that are are shared about. But that would not be the first time that I've heard a story a lot like that one where the experience was actually seemingly somewhat cathartic for the participants. Remember, we have very vibrant and vital con. For safety reasons that happen about risks stories, there's one that's happening all the time on Facebook. It's called the risk podcast fans discussion group on Facebook. And there's also a Reddit or sub bread. 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