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"rene directa" Discussed on The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Was moment last wednesday. When capitol police officer eugene goodman was all that stood between an angry mob and the floor of the united states senate the split-second decision he made has been hailed as heroic. he led them away giving security officers. Time to get senators staff and reporters to safety. Wrote senator bob. Casey his quick thinking and decisive action. That date likely saved lives and we owe him a debt of gratitude given the security failures and concern about. Next week's inauguration. Attention has been focused poor preparation officers. Who encouraged rioters. But mr goodman's act speaks to those dc. And capitol police who endured verbal abuse and physical attacks with wrenches pipes and fists to protect the capital. Those inside and american democracy to officers who served in the iraq war said this was scarier to them than their time in combat. The acting dc police chief told the washington post one black officer sat in the rotunda after the riot ended openly crying. I got called an n. Word fifteen times. Today he yelled to no one in particular buzzfeed news reported. Mr goodman standoff underlines the progress so sorely needed a former new york city cup told the bbc to see a black man being chased by someone carrying a confederate flag. There's something wrong with that picture. It just reeks of everything. We need to correct now. Today's stories are first story. The security failure of the capitol hill insurrection was a wakeup call. Suggesting that domestic threats to the government will need to be taken more seriously the ability of a mob to easily overrun defenses and riot in the halls of the us capital last week has caused elected officials and experts to worry about the security of the nation's seats of government in advance of president. Elect joe biden's inauguration on january twentieth. The assault was far from stealthy after all former fbi. special agent. michael. German says the violence was planned in public. It's unbelievable to me. That law enforcement defenses weren't better prepared and better sourced one problem was that intelligence agencies did not seem to take the threat seriously. Despite fast-growing stop the steel facebook groups in which members discussed storming the capital. Once they assault tactics may have been faulty. Police didn't have fallback positions or a mobile reserve to step into the breach d. Platforming is one defense. Twitter and facebook have banned president donald trump from twitter and facebook on grounds his communications. Our inflammatory the right oriented social media app parlor has been booted out by app stores and web hosting services but that may just drive people to darker places of the internet and make them harder to see says rene directa a researcher who studies the spread of malign narratives across social networks at the stanford internet observatory. This story. it was reported by story. Hinckley in.
"rene directa" Discussed on Useful Idiots with Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper
"The antitrust argument they. Were much more interested in finding a way to make face, keep facebook and. But Make sure that it's a power was both like that's what I worry about is that there's a think what you're talking about with. You know regulation helping incumbents that Dutt that's my worry right is is that it's it's it's going to be regulated in a way that is going to work in conjunction with. The powers, the powers that be or whoever the sitting government happens to be I mean is that if you're the people should have or oh, I think. So yeah, I mean, just again to use GIDDY PR's an example GDP are places these fairly owners constraints on what you can or can't do it with data and the reality is that given all that overhead larger companies can handle it a lot better, and then if you're an advertiser, you tend to trust larger companies to be judy are complete better and so the fraction of budgets that facebook and Google made up. By many reports have actually gone up on GDP our world and smaller media companies, and the third party go system has been her as basically destroyed by it I'm in so. I mean, here's here's one of the Weird Trade Offs I. Think most people don't realize be on the industry totally realize that people outside don't. There's a trade off between sort of privacy and monopoly power or privacy and antitrust right? Like you can impose harsh privacy constraints on uses of data regulation, all the rest of it, but that will necessarily tend towards agglomeration of power within a smaller number of large companies or you can stand look there's GonNa be a thirty ecosystem data's going to circulate more freely. Google and facebook have more competition. But yes, indeed, there are more privacy issues. Look there's sketchy shit that happens in the Ad Tech World No one would deny it and if if. If you allow small third parties to buy and sell your data as as many do in fact than you're GonNa get into privacy issues as well. Yeah. I. Again, I think the level of the conversation is not even remotely. They're like people are still talking about whether Zach listens to you through your phones record conversation. We need to ten years ahead of this and I think this. Is a final thing like. It just seems to me like this business of wiring up everyone's brain to one of these smartphone right like literally everyone from like a taxi driver in Bangalore to a farmer in Brazil to some hipster in San. Francisco have instant instant communication right like this. Literally global telepathy in your pocket right that the realities of that I think are just so are so disruptive to just society as we know it like. The, is in scores of Cambridge Analytica or you know some little tweak to the the political, Ron facebook are not going to change any of that and we as a society need to start thinking about what does it mean when all of humanity can talk to itself ineffectively an unfiltered way and I don't think we're having a conversation I think if you look at almost every part of the political spectrum. The only thing that distinguishes them as what they want to return to like. What year did they think society should be rewind to right like the Maga people think it's like Oh one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, and not the bobby layman around two thousand, eight like everyone just wants to return and nobody seems to have anything like a vision for the future which which has no matter what anyone coming no matter. What exactly. Build back better. That's the Biden phrase right. Yeah just bud all over the place apparently. Johnson. What do you say about I mean? So much of the discourse around elections and interferences is based on. What the Russians did on facebook and it seems like a if you any access to this information, but it seems like there's a big conflation between the Russian. Government and Russian business people forms farms. Yeah. Do you have any insight into that or Well, I'm not a very good permanent. I'll just were you have insight into and I've gotten into fights about with a friend of mine like Rene Directa who's a big voice in this whole misinformation thanks she was at Stanford Research Live. The whole Russia Internet research agency thing right. The problem they're like without question they obviously intervene try to use facebook groups to influence the election. That's just documented. But what I, what I doubt is the efficacy of all that the what's come out at least that they spent one hundred thousand dollars on ads, which is nothing that's like that's like whistling into the win into a tornado when it comes to facebook, and then if you look at the actual numbers, the number of pages, the number of likes like again if you if you take all that think about Margaret, right you take human activity and then you divided by like. The number of total pieces of content or the number of AD. Impressions are the number of whatever you divided by that. That's your ratio that you care about that divisor in the case of facebook is billions and billions and billions, right so for for Russia to have thrown the election in three, hundred, thirty plus million person country would have required immediate tidal wave like no other right like if these people can claim to throw the election one, hundred, eight, it's been it's just stop digging around to Russia starting at agency and company. United States? That's incredible. Like like like, and in fact, the Russians, the best hundred they spent was convincing somehow the US media establishment that one hundred K. can actually win an election. I. Find The whole thing I mean it is alarming going forward. Obviously, countries are going to use this for misinformation as they've used every other means in the past, right? Russia used to have radio stations. I would transmit to the US all this stuff like this. This is just a continuation of war by the by different means. So I'm I'm skeptical of the Russian story just because again, there were doing it i. just I don't know how efficacious it actually ones in the global scheme. So they didn't start dating create racism star black lives matter over facebook. Dating. Mean I'm telling you Jesus memes. Jesus Masturbation memes. Now, that's the killer Combo on what masturbation means alone Jesus means alone not so much but you. Can Be Together. Yeah. Yeah. That was the feeling down Jesus? Let's beat together. Yeah. I don't want imagined. Me Looks like okay. I'll say Nikki would trigger warning. It's not graphic at all, which is why able to be on fiscal course. Excellent. All right, Tony thanks so much. Run over. And we'll. Soon..
"rene directa" Discussed on Short Wave
"You're listening to shortwave from. Npr missed yesterday's episode. You missed the story of Cincinnati Pediatrician Nicole Baldwin. And Tick Tock So. I like the music. I think it's Super Fun to watch people being goofy and dancing and all that kind of tick tock is a social media where people basically do that. Be Goofy to music. So who follows you talk to you know my daughter in? That's not horrifying. Yeah I it's funny dinner. Conversation House but I think a lot of Of Physicians Right now are following me I definitely do have some adolescent patients in the past couple of weeks of come into the office. And they're like I saw here tic TAC. I follow you on dog. So that's that's fun because that's who I'm trying to reach. Is that population with some of these messages by messages. Nicole means posts about family health and last month. One of them opposed of hers. Promoting the importance of vaccination went viral and not entirely in a good way. I was scared and we did even at home. Call the police just to have them do extra patrols around our house. In the last episode we examined how Anti Vaccine Activists Harass Nicole through social media eventually finding her office and threatening her practice this episode. We'RE GONNA explore why the Internet is so good at fuelling misinformation. You know the Internet is really good at helping people find other people like them Rene Directa who you also heard in the last episode. Is the research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory? She studies the spread of misinformation through what she calls inadvertent algorithm mic amplification and. What that means is the recommendation engines or the trending function or the search function. We know that these are kind of features that send a lot of is in the way of certain information and so the question has been Do the platforms have an obligation to ensure that the information that they are sending people to is quality information and there are some people who think that the answer is no that but my belief is that we should not be in a world where the most popular website takes top billing on. Google particularly when the notion of most popular Is derived from easily gamed metrics. So Today Rene. Dirigiste helps explain how people game the Internet and the Internet in away games us when it comes to spreading bad information online. I Matt Safai. In this shortwave daily science podcast from NPR..
"rene directa" Discussed on Waking Up with Sam Harris
"How to meditate you can read my book on the top. Waking up or you can read any one of a thousand other books, but I just want to encourage you to look into this. If you haven't because you will not learn to meditate by accident, and you won't learn it by jogging or hiking or playing music or doing any of the other things you do to feel good paradoxically. Once you know, how to meditate you can experience the same insights into the nature of your mind, while jogging and hiking and play music and doing all the other things you like to do. But you are very unlikely to have these insights and experience the associated change in your perception of yourself and the world without explicitly learning the practice of meditation. So if you haven't explored in this area, and you're looking for a New Year's resolution I recommend adding that to the list. And now for today's podcast. Today. I'm speaking with Rene Directa Rene is the director of research at new knowledge and the head of policy at the nonprofit data for democracy, and she investigates the spread of hyper partisan and destructive narratives across social networks. She's co authored a recent report on the the Russian disinformation campaign both before and since the twenty sixteen presidential election. And we talk about all that she's advised politicians and policymakers members of congress State Department her work has been featured in the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and many other outlets. She's a member of the council on foreign relations and a Truman national security project security fellow. She also holds degrees in computer science and political science from SUNY Stony Brook as you'll hear Rene was recommended to me by my friend, and former podcast guest Tristan, Harris. Recommended hers authority on just what happened with the Russian influence campaign in recent years and Rene did not disappoint. So without further ado, I bring you Rene Directa. I am here with Rene Directa Rene. Thanks for coming on the podcast. Thanks for having me Sam, I was introduced you through our mutual friend Tristan Harris, had you Notre stone just done, and I met in mid twenty seventeen I had written an essay about Botts, and he read it and he shared it to Facebook funny enough, and we discovered the mid about sixty mutual friends, even though we've never met and we met for breakfast couple days later, and he wanted to talk about what I was seeing the things I was writing about and how they intersected with his vision of social platforms as having profound impacts on individuals. My research into how social platforms are having profound impacts on policy and society, and we had breakfast hit it off and think had breakfast again a couple of days later, so fast, friends, Tristan is great. He's so many people will recall he's been on the podcast. And I think he's actually been described as the conscience. Of Silicon Valley has just in terms of how he has been sounding the alarm on the toxic business model of social media in particular. So you touched on there for a second. But give us a snapshot of your background. And how you come to be thinking about the problem of bots and also just the specific problem. We're gonna be talking about if the Russian disinformation campaign and hacking of democracy. Yes, that's sort of a convoluted way that I got to to investigating Russian disinformation. Actually started back in twenty fourteen. I became a mom, and I was a just moved to San Francisco, but prior and I had to get my kid onto a preschool waiting list. Which is not always. Yeah. Not like a nice preschool, just like a preschool. And I and I and I I knew California had Samantha vacs problems. And I started googling for the data sets California to pub- part department public health has public data sets where they tell you the vaccine. Nation recent schools, anyway, I looked and I thought God this is a is a disaster waiting to happen. And lo and behold a couple months later, the Disneyland measles outbreak infected happen. And I reached out to my congressman is the first time I've ever done that. And I said, hey, you know, we should have a law for this..
"rene directa" Discussed on Mueller, She Wrote
"So even one of the authors of new knowledge report on the matter Rene Directa said the IRA quote leveraged preexisting legitimate, grievances wherever they could, and you guys might remember that has twenty sixteen election was gearing up. The black lives matter movement was at the center of national attention in the US, and naturally the Russian government appears to taken advantage of that. In fact, they ended up being behind the initial blue lives matter social media posts, so the yeah, they were on it. Yeah. Yeah. Matter was Russia. Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, people liked it though and certain ones took it on. But yeah, they were on it. Where to go America. Yeah. They fell for it. Yeah. Well, I didn't. But you know, it's funny because I remember seeing these post and it didn't resonate with me. But I had no idea that this could be from a different country. They really tapped into like, the the blue eyes matter thing is huge. Yeah. And it makes sense on a domestic on in these people. Like, they do believe these things, you know, like Americans do some of them do believe that. Yeah. They basically did their creative work for them. Exactly. Russia. Do the homework and then American able to have your unable to be creative. Let us do that for you. And then you can just follow these things blindly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I worked so essentially the IRA didn't create the racial tensions in America, but they did exploit them. And according to the report of the eighty one Facebook page is created by the IRA thirty of them targeted African American audiences and had over one point two million followers and coincidentally in two thousand sixteen the black voter turnout decline for the first time in twenty years. So in response to all of this the N W C P said they would not use Facebook or Instagram for a week and urged. Followers to do the same. I don't know if a week will cut it though, I'm pretty pissed off right now. I want to delete my Facebook like as we speak. But it's everything it's all social media. Yeah, you're right Instagram too. And I do as a comedian like I I use the so much and it sits I'm torn though because they're clearly exploding us. They're exploiting racism, and they're exploiting us as victims of it. And it's like, but I think your awareness of it is the first step. You're right. And I get like seriously like to use the platform for better because I don't want on get off the grid. I don't think that's helpful. I just want when you see those kind of posts you can maybe say, hey, maybe everyone consider where this comes from good point, very good point counter it where when you see it. Yeah. Yeah. Stop scrolling that should be a campaign. Stop stop scrolling on Facebook. Yeah. You'll miss all of the disintermediation campaigns. Just use it for what you need it for. And that's it. Yes. Stop scrolling. Hashtag you missing out. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Jordan. What do you got? Yeah. So Giuliani picked up on his lube the truth tour this week with a visit to Mr. Stephanopoulos on ABC news last Sunday. So a lot of looping happen this go round. Okay. I when confronted with the fact that Cohen was provided very valuable information to the special counsel's office or I should say has provided. Sorry has provided very important information regarding all things Russia Giuliani..
"rene directa" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"'cause I wanna get at least one or two calls in before we run out of time. Let's go to Michael who's calling from Toronto Canada. Michael you're on the air. Thanks for taking my call. My opinion is that we might be over thanking that. And it's most simplistic terms Russia wanted Trump to be elected in order to do that they needed to influence people to either vote for him. Or not vote at all. And because African Americans are easily identified and proven to be democratic voters. It seems like a relatively easy group to target. And I don't think they were targeted because they're advocate Americans as much as I think they were targeted because they are ninety percent plus democratic voters, and I think that is probably the the rationale that all of this targeting boils down to don't think it has to do with their culture as much as it has to do with the fact that they voted a monolithic bloc. Michael, thank you so much for your call. Let's go quickly to Robert who's calling from raise Ville, Georgia. Robert, you're on the air. Hello. Thank you and nine enjoy very much every day. Thank you. What's your thought prov? I think that it's an insult to the African Americans that are in their intelligent enough to have Facebook and tell them to graduate from high school, go college. And I just think it's an insult to them think that some Russian bullcrap. Could influence them in anyway. Well, Robert, thank you so much for your call and say, if you feel like we've had story after story about how Russia had its efforts to influence American divisions in American politics. Obviously Russia thought that it would have an influence not just on African Americans. But American voters at large over many months and even years as Rene Directa is telling us, but thank you so much for your call Rene, which has got a minute and a half left here to go. And then I wanna get your response on one thing about how Facebook says Sheryl Sandberg put up a post Facebook posts saying that the company is taking the findings of your report, quote, incredibly seriously, and that they're going to work to strengthen and advanced civil rights on our service. We know that we need to do more. This is language that Facebook uses repeatedly every time we have yet another report or story coming out about fundamental problems with this platform that now reaches to. A billion people around the world. I mean, they know they need to do more. But it doesn't seem like they are doing enough. I mean, have you been impressed or not with Facebook's response so far? And what should they be doing? You mentioned you a family member on the election integrity team. I think that the election integrity team, you know, I did some work in some communication with them and twenty tea, and they did a it was a remarkable turnaround. They really did make a concerted effort to be absolutely on point to work with researchers. And I think that they deserve commendation for that more generally speaking, I do think that at this point the regulations approach is going to be where we need to go. I think that we've seen that self-regulation just doesn't work on its own in this industry. We'll so then hopefully, the Senate intelligence committee reports that you've done is a step in getting Washington Washington to perhaps do that to go down the road for regulation on social media. We'll see what happens. Renee, Directa director of research at the cybersecurity company new knowledge, she co authored a report on Russia's influence campaign on. Social media did that for the Senate intelligence committee. We have linked to it at one point radio dot org. Thank you so much for joining us today on point is produced by Anna Bowman Brian Hartson ski a modest final. Cut Sonus Alison poli James Rawson, Al Schroeder with help from David Marino. Our executive producer is Karen Shiffman. I'm gonna talk through Bharti. This is on point.
"rene directa" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"We don't want these immigrants. So it was very that. They did that same kind of creation of in group dynamics across all of their pages. I'm already this is on point Rene hang on here for just a second. Because I want to get at least one or two calls in before we run out of time. Let's go to Michael who's calling from Toronto Canada. Michael you're on the air. Thanks for taking my call. My opinion is that we might be over thinking that. And it's most simplistic terms Russia wanted Trump to be elected in order to do that they needed to influence people to either vote for him or not vote at all. And because African Americans are easily identified and proven to be democratic voter. It seems like a relatively easy group to. Target. And I don't think they were targeted because their applicant Americans as much as I think they were targeted because they are ninety percent plus democratic voters, and I think that is probably the the rationale that all of this targeting boils down to don't think it has to do with their culture as much as it has to do with the fact that they voted a monolithic bloc. Michael, thank you so much for your call. Let's go quickly to Robert who's calling from raise Ville, Georgia. Robert, you're on the air. Hello. Thank you. And I enjoy very much every day. Thank you. What's your thought? Probably. I think that it's an insult to the African Americans that that are in their intelligence enough to have Facebook and tell them to graduate from high school, go college, and I just think it's an insult to them. Think that some Russian bull crap. Could influence them in anyway. Well, Robert, thank you so much for your call. And it just say if you feel like we've had story after story about how Russia had, you know, its efforts to influence American divisions in American politics, obviously Russia thought that it would have an influence not just on African Americans. But American voters at large over many months and even years as Rene Directa is telling us, but thank you so much for your call Rene, which has got a minute and a half left here to go. And then I wanna get your response on one thing about how Facebook, you know, says Cheryl Sandberg put up a post Facebook posts saying that the company is taking the findings of your report, quote, incredibly seriously, and that they're going to work to strengthen in advance civil rights on our service. We know that we need to do more. This is language that Facebook uses repeatedly every time we have yet another report or story coming out about fundamental problems with this platform that now reaches to. A billion people around the world. I mean, they know they need to do more. But it doesn't seem like they are doing enough. I mean, have you been impressed or not with Facebook's response so far? And what should they be doing? You mentioned you had a family member on the election integrity team. I think that the election integrity team, you know, I did some work in some communication with them in eighteen and they did a it was a remarkable turnaround. They really did make a concerted effort to be absolutely on point to work with researchers. And I think that they deserve commendation for that more generally speaking, I do think that at this point the regulations approach is going to be where we need to go. I think that we've seen that self-regulation just doesn't work on its own in this industry. Well, so then hopefully, the Senate intelligence committee reports that you've done is a step in getting washing to Washington to perhaps do that to go down the road for regulation on social media. We'll see what happens. Renee, Directa director of research at the cybersecurity company new knowledge, she co authored a report on Russia's influence campaign on. Social media did that for the Senate intelligence committee. We have a linked to it at on point radio dot org. Thank you so much for joining us today on point is produced by Anna Bowman Brian Hartson ski Lena modest Affonso cut Sonus Alison poli James Ross Schroeder with help from David Marino. Our executive producer is Karen Shiffman. I'm gonna talk through body. This is on point..
"rene directa" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"One day a one week how long do you want people to say, no to Facebook or sports organization? We're going out for a week and organizations and covers can do the same. That's what we will pursue for individuals. We asked for a one day log out, and we also understand that everything won't be fixed overnight. So it's an escalation proposition for us. If the company don't take the series, go beyond meaty and. And doing reports then we have to take next steps. However, we define next up. Okay. So Dirk Johnson stand by for just one second. Let me take a quick call here. Mary is calling from Iowa City, Iowa, Mary you're on the air. You know, just should not be a boycott of Facebook because we need Facebook for the twenty twenty eight election. Facebook is freedom of the press, and you shouldn't be stupid enough as a black person. Then here since sixteen nineteen vignettes and slavery been lied to as the goal long would boycott and the thing that we need. It's what people say spoke black black lives matter wouldn't have existed lead to wouldn't have existed. No women's March on Washington is organization tool. Don't be dumb enough to believe everything we we're doubts now, and we need Facebook. Mary connects jump in here. I take your point. But part of the problem is I mean, what we're seeing is that there's a specific targeting of African Americans on the sophistication by which you know, the misinformation that's being sent from Russian operatives makes it hard to tell the difference between as you're saying, the legitimate political protest groups that you're talking about versus out now propaganda misinformation coming from a foreign power. Those were the Russians who did that we Americans, and we are in a fight for our lives with black white yellow red. We have enemy out there. And we need our own source of getting our propaganda out there. So the boycott Facebook to me is silly. We'll Mary thank you so much for your call Dirk Johnson before have to let you go here respond to Mary. But you know, we understand and appreciate the power of the two to Facebook. And by no means we are trying to diminish that pile art saying in there's a corporate responsibility to ensure that integrity of the platform is not used by four outside influences. It is not used to promote racial hatred and intolerance in his definitely not used to subvert the microscope through attempts to suppress African American voting pilots. And so would not saying not. Use it for the two they could use for rid saying as a corporate culture, they need to put in the proper protection. So it's not use avert our way of life. Right. And have you personally heard from Facebook in response to what you're calling for? We have we we have met with show sands like many other African American and other civil rights groups, and I think that's a good step. But you know, for us is the actions, the implementation of the plan and the priority. They placed on the recommendations coming from surprise audit is most important. So conversations are good outcomes are better, right? Well, Derrick Johnson president of the W C P. Joining us today from Atlanta at the airport there. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. All right. Well, let's turn now to Rene Directa. She's director of research at the cybersecurity company new knowledge, she code co-authored, one of the reports on Russia's influence campaign for the Senate intelligence committee. There's a link to that at on point radio dot org. Renee,.
"rene directa" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"But you asking for a one day a one week how long do you want people to say no to Facebook? We'll sports organization out for a week ago. Organizations and cubs can do the same. That's what we will pursue for individuals. We asked for a one day log out, and we also understand that everything won't be fixed overnight. So escalation proposition for us if the company don't take the series, go beyond just meaty and. And endure reports then we have to take next steps. However, we define next up. Okay. So jerk Johnson stand by for just one second. Let me take a quick call here. Mary is calling from Iowa City, Iowa, Mary you're on the air. You know, just should not be avoided kata Facebook because we need Facebook for the twenty twenty eight election. Facebook is freedom of the press, and you shouldn't be stupid enough as a black person then hits since sixteen nineteen vignettes and slavery been lied to as the gone long would boycott and the thing that we need if it was before Facebook black black lives matter wouldn't have existed lead to wouldn't have existed. No women's March on Washington is organization tool. Don't be dumb enough to believe everything we we're doubts now, and we need Facebook. Next jump in here. Take your point. But part of the problem is I mean, what we're seeing is that there's a specific targeting of African Americans on the sophistication by which you know, the misinformation that's being sent from Russian operatives makes it hard to tell the difference between as you're saying, they'll the legitimate political protest groups that you're talking about versus out now propaganda misinformation coming from a foreign power. Those were the Russians who did that we Americans, and we are in a fight for our lives. Black white yellow red. We have enemy out there. And we need our own source of getting our propaganda out there. So the boycott Facebook to me is silly. We'll Mary thank you so much for your call Derrick Johnson before have to let you go here respond to Mary. But you know, we understand the pre sheet the power of the two of Facebook. And by no means we are trying to diminish that pile yard saying in. There's a corporate responsibility to ensure that integrity of the platform is not used by four outside influences. It is not used to promote racial hatred and intolerance in his definitely not used to subvert the microscope through attempts to suppress African American voting pattern. So we're not saying not. Use it for the two. They could be used for rid says as a corporate culture, they need to put in the proper protection. So it's not use avert way of life. Right. And have you personally heard from Facebook in response to what you're calling for? We we we have met with show sands like many other African American and other civil rights groups, and I think that's a good step. But if you know for us is the actions, the implementation of the plan and the priority they placed on the recommendation coming from surprise audit is most important. So conversations are good outcomes are better. Well, Derrick Johnson president of the N W C P joining us today from Atlanta at the airport there. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. All right. Well, let's turn now to Rene Directa. She's director of research at the cybersecurity company new knowledge, she code co author. One of the reports on Russia's influence campaign for the Senate intelligence committee. There's a link to that at on point radio dot org. Renee,.
"rene directa" Discussed on PRI's The World
"Russia's disinformation campaigns to date Rene Directa is with the Austin-based cybersecurity company new knowledge it put together one of these new reports and to start off. I asked her what we know today that we didn't know yesterday the ways in which real users interacted with this content. We had never seen any of that before. I think another thing that's in there that we didn't know is the extent to which this was a cross platform operation that touched every single social platform and the ways in which the IRA cross linked their contents on one platform to another stuff the research agency in Russia. That was that was behind a lot of this. Yes. What have you learned from the data about how people were interacting with these fake posts that Russia was putting up? So I think there's a lot of things that have been written about the ways in which they exploited societal divisions. The way that they that they did that as we look at the year's worth of data sequentially is that they created these pages, and they really design them to be kind of these in group communities. So since the operation started back in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen focused wasn't the presidential election in the early content. It was really much more on creating feelings of pride on the GP t page, creating feelings of fear on the pages that were related to immigration, and then when they had those audiences they would give them sort of political content or content that really was designed to create antagonism between communities. So that was how they so division. So the initial efforts were really to make themselves seem legitimate. Yes. So what they would do is. They would even go so far as to cross promote small businesses. So there were LGBT targeted at community posts with kind of pro LGBT businesses that they were promoting real businesses. They did the same thing in the black community. They had a ton of content on how to support black businesses who in turn within amplify their content in the future. Presumably, I created a sense of legitimacy. You mentioned the African American community, and that's one of the big findings in this set of reports. What was the goal of cultivating the African American community and then kind of launching disinformation. So with the African American community in particular, the focus was really about racial tension in racial alienating. So the internet research agency created about thirty pages on Facebook alone that targeted the black community, and there is a lot of variation in there. Some were more politically focused or focused on kind of cultural historical black pride movements, some were very much targeting women and focused on black culture a hair clothing makeup. So a lot of that content was focused on black lives matter, particularly during the twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen frame black lives matter is in the news, quite a bit stories of officer involved shootings were very common. And so they would build up these communities around culture, and then they would take these very real grievances. And they would layer one more thing on where they would say this country isn't for us. We shouldn't vote this country isn't for us Hillary Clinton doesn't support our interest. Donald Trump doesn't either. But maybe he's not the worst possible choice. Was there? Anything you discovered. In your research of the data that that really surprised you. I think the most surprising thing for me was the extent to which this was not just a social media operation, but it was in many ways a manipulation of individual people. So not in aggregate, not just message in groups messaging demographics, but really doing the the work of of intelligence were the work of espionage to develop assets to recruit people into the movement few months ago, we actually spoke to one of the activists that was targeted by one of these fake Russian accounts. His name is Michael white. And he was one of the co creators of the ACA Wall Street movement, and he and others were contacted to put together actual events and protests. And this is what he told us personally..
"rene directa" Discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
"I guess part of our problem here is that if if this push continues, you're seeing globally press freedom getting pushed back are. We seeing the end of liberal democracy. You you've discussed this several times. And what can we as journalists do when a lot of the power has shifted to tech? How do we continue doing our jobs? How do we get our communities together get rid of this toxic sludge? How can we really truly define and have conversations that will make our democracy stronger that these are critical points right now. And in that fight you are such a leader. So thank you for being. In here, and we will stay in touch and trying to stay on topic. Thank you before we go today. A very similar conversation about missing disinformation on Facebook is a big New York Times expose of the other day about what Facebook new and win about Russian meddling before the two thousand sixteen election. The company says it's making progress now, but it's been haunted by its past. So I spoke with researcher Rene Directa all about how to think about this problem misinformation, and what to do about it. She's the guest on this week's reliable sources podcast. You can hear the entire interview through apple tune in situ or your favorite apple a favorite podcast app. But her main point is that we have to think about misinformation as a chronic condition. Not something that can just be fixed. But something we have to manage. That's all for this televised dishes, reliable. Sources we'll see you on the podcast, and we'll see you right back here. This time next week. Mark Manders free Shuki pie and on this edition of our Joe, I'll be joined by Syracuse Titus battle job in trying to improve all factors but my game bay Bay neighbor. neighbour be more offensive from the ball different ways. She in the Boston Beth improve despite playing Megan billiard. Well, greasy five now at apple podcast and Fatah Audubon. by. Facebook under fire again this time after a front page New York Times expose about who knew what when about Russian meddling. Of course, all that happened in two thousand sixteen but Facebook future seems to be haunted by its past. I spoke with researcher Rene Directa about this. She's been on the forefront of looking into miss and disinformation. And how it spreads across social networks. Here's what she told me about the New York Times. Revelations and Facebook's woes my sincere thought was oh, they it's it's, you know, candidate incompetence, they just weren't looking for it. They don't know. So to see the story come out into realize the extent to which they knew and how early they knew that was that was deeply disturbing. I think that that indicates that really oversight is needed that that that was my key. Takeaway from the article that they're they're doing a good job. They've got really good people working there in the war room deeply committed to solving or solving the wrong word actually to managing this problem. But at the same time. I it really has to be something that's done in conjunction with oversight from government. There's been a lot of talk since two thousand eighteen election about fixing the problem of fake news of fixing the problem of misinformation, but you say that's entirely the wrong way to look at this. I don't think there is a fix for it. I and I don't I don't mean that to sound pessimistic. It's it's just that. There has always been disinformation and propaganda in the world. There's always been disinflation propaganda on the internet..
"rene directa" Discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
"And we're back here on reliable sources podcast on Brian Stelter, joined by Rene Directa, she's the director of research at new knowledge, and that a policy of the nonprofit data for democracy. So Rene we've been talking a lot about Facebook and Twitter and misinformation, I do think we should give credit words. Do you've been saying these platforms have been improving in some ways and in two thousand eighteen in the US midterms. There were not the kind of ridiculous Trump gets endorsed by the pope sort of lies that we're spending on social media. So there has been some progress. But this really means that the attackers are getting more sophisticated doesn't it? They are getting more sophisticated. They're laundering narratives through real people. I think the the indictment from I think it was the eastern district in Virginia from the DOJ just showed. There was a real coordinated effort to communicate with Americans to get Americans to run the ads to get Americans to amplify, the content groups are still a huge vulnerability and will continue to be so and that's because you don't have to own the group. You don't have to be the moderator. You don't have to grow your own audience that you just know that there's a standing group of people who have a particular point of view when you can go in there, and you can share your content in there or you can be a commenter and work to to kind of rile up the people who are already in the group. So there's a new, you know, new tactics. More sophistication I think twenty twenty it's going to be a real challenge because with the house elections with the Senate races. It's much smaller audiences much more niche groups of people much more niece local interests, a lot harder for foreign actors to have the degree of. Granular knowledge. Most of what we see from Russia from Iran from Saudi Arabia is content that goes after big social issues and then in twenty twenty big national races. They really only had to shape the conversation around one. And so we are waiting to see with twenty twenty. They're probably laying the groundwork. Now to decide what they're going to be doing interfere in that race. Then I'm curious to see in twenty nineteen what the methods are against primary candidates. You know, how how can you shape a democratic primary or a Republican primary challenge to Trump by spreading a bunch of nonsense on social media. You know, so that'll be before we get to the general. Absolutely. And they were active in the primaries in two thousand sixteen as well. There were accounts that had very strong opinions about Carly Fiorina their accounts at very strong opinions about Ted Cruz. Marco Rubio when Twitter released its data set, the kind of I think thirteen million tweets we..
"rene directa" Discussed on 1A
"Back now to our conversation with Christine Liguori chaff, gene park and Rene Directa. Gene, you wanted to chime in on that last point. Yeah, I watch echo her her statement about about I the how I don't think it actually solves any problems. For example. The bomber who said. The male bomber from a couple of weeks ago. He was posted freely on Facebook and Twitter in his own name. The man who sent pipebombs critics and President Trump and CNN and so forth Hillary Clinton's. Yeah. He was operated freely. And the thing is is that like, you know, like Mark Zuckerberg got in trouble caught his hot water by telling cares, which of the New York Times that he wouldn't band a holocaust deniers on Facebook. Right. And the moderators of our history, very popular celebrated Allred said we would bought her rape or possibly ban people who are spreading holocaust denial lies. So that right. There is such an interesting dynamic between Mark Zuckerberg to ultimate moderator of the world's largest only platform versus a smaller sub rated with a couple of dozen million people on it run by volunteers who do take an active role in making sure and and also in a way, policing speech and talk about free speech. I mean like there. A lot of parallels between free speech and online platforms and free speech and businesses, right? Like like, you know, your your be can't serve certain people without shoes. It's the same thing. You know, we can't serve you. If you're denying the holocaust, or, you know, you're free to say certain things at home on the street corner. But you can't see them on NPR necessary exactly do Christine. I mean, it's this in fairness to read it and Twitter and Facebook and others. This question of how to regulate free speech in these digital platforms is really really tough. We I've said this before on this program. The very first question to the very first guest on the very first episode of one a it was what is something about the first amendment people think they know, but they don't and our guest Jeffrey Rosen who's the head of the national constitution center. Said people think that the first amendment applies to social media. It does not it regulates government and social media companies are private companies forty-seven eight tweeted as toxic as some sub read. It's can be like the suburb. It's gaming or the Donald. That's the beauty and curse of free speech. And it's why read it is so popular so Christine..
"rene directa" Discussed on PRI's The World
"So tell us what you saw in the lead up to the midterms the Russians were very much involved in the midterms. Again, this year they've never really gone away. That's just a evolution of tactics. I would say so what we see is increasing promotion of. What we would call overt propaganda sites that are known to be attributed to Russian state interests, so artistes, but next of their media properties, some of their think tanks the stuff that many folks around the world would recognize as propaganda, but American audiences are not quite as a dept at recognizing it as such yet. The second thing that they do is the covert operations working to amplify existing stories. There would be new stories and highly partisan domestic press talking about for example, the cavenaugh hearings, and we would see these Russian accounts, he's Russian persona accounts, active amplifying, those messages amplifying those stories so it was a little bit different than twenty sixteen in that. They didn't do the hard work of creating this site and the Facebook page and the media brand around a particular type of activist group. They simply engaged by amplifying real material written by real Americans than appeal to the audiences that they wanted to go after we also heard about Iran launch. A coordinated disinformation campaign that was eventually spotted by Facebook. What did that look like that was a campaign that was targeting the American left primarily, and in this particular case Veron's reached out to the American left thinking that amplifying the messages of the American left amplifying, perhaps the chance of electoral success of the American left would benefit them. So this is sort of a find the people who are most ideologically aligned with you that are real amplify their message and hopefully influence the electorate so with Iranian pages. We saw them repurposing memes from sites like occupied Democrats did that surprise you. Because I mean, foreign policy isn't like a big draw during the midterms in that assumes that Iran thought, well, they'll be a lot of people on the left. Progressives who want to see this deal start up again? I mean that seems a little tone deaf. I think that there is a is a long game. So increasing your audience, increasing the prevalence of a point of view that benefits you over time is part of what we see here. So for. Example, the Russian operation in two thousand sixteen began in two thousand fourteen are the gatekeepers at Twitter and Facebook ramped up enough, you know, in their rigor and spotting the stuff, I think that they're doing much better. Yes. So it's not perfect. But one of the things that has been really important to me to to watch and twenty sixteen is the evolution of kind of Multistakeholder as I'm here. So we did see Facebook take down a collection of pages just last night with a tip off from law enforcement. We were told and that's fantastic. That's exactly the kind of thing. We wanna see we wanna see that cooperation we know that accounts that we have given to the platforms have come down. So that's the sort of thing that's the ideal state as someone who attracts disinformation. What are you going to be looking out for over the next two years? I think it's going to be groups. I've I felt this way for for years now actually because that's where like minded people tend to cluster. So I think that we're going to see less of the 2016 playbook of creating coal cloth media properties with sites and pages and Twitter accounts and much more. Infiltration groups, and when you say groups talking about different Facebook groups, or I'm talking about face Becker up specifically, I think that there's an opportunity to infiltrate these more closed communities to exert influence over communities that already do have some distribution and some audience Rene Directa researches online disinflation and propaganda for the company, new knowledge Rene. Thank you. Thank you. For nearly a decade the men in the limo dumped more than six stories of debris in a black Chicago neighborhood, and though the neighborhood fought back the deck was stacked against them. Politicians were paid off the legal system looked away. And the man in the limo was working for the FBI. I'm Robin Aamer. And this is the city a new podcast from USA today. Subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you listen. Before we get back to.
"rene directa" Discussed on PRI's The World
"I'm Marco werman. You're listening to the world. It's the day after whatever happened to travels in Trump's America. That's the title of a documentary project led by Bruce hawker. He's a filmmaker from Australia. We spoke with him the first time about ten days ago last month. Bruce was crossing the US speaking with Americans for film about politics here in twenty eighteen we call them caught up with him again in Washington today as he was getting ready to head back home. Hey, mce good to speak to you again. Likewise, hope everything's going. Well, you're you're like twenty four hour less than twenty four hours from wheels up and going back to Australia. Yeah. I gotta say looking forward to getting home after so long on the road. But it's a bit. You sort of get hooked on it. He. Because I think that's probably part of the problem for America. Explain what you mean by that. Well, you do get hooked on American politics, and maybe a little bit on the constant tweeting by Donald Trump in the reactions by people to that. There's something in that that I think is a has an effect on us and probably has an effect on the American people. Wh what do you think that thing is? Well, I I think that he is so dominating in the social media space that people feel compelled to listen to these nixed contribution, whatever it is. And even the interest may be morbid innocence, it's still an obsession by to a friend of mine. Hawaii recently he said that every day if he doesn't get he's Trump fix. It gets a little bit edgy even though he doesn't like Trump. That's the thing that's happening in the United States the moment, which is. Curious and perhaps a little disturbing as well. So in the last month that you've traveled thirty five hundred miles thirteen states one hundred and thirty interviews what has been your biggest takeaway? We think America is an unhappy place right now, that's the most of a willing impression that we've received. And I think that's a particularly healthy thing for Americans. Don't think they like it. I think people at one level wanna come together. But at another level feel that they so much that separates them that they can't really do it. The number of people that we spoke to said that they didn't even talk to their friends or new acquaintances about politics because they know that if they're on the other side of the political faints that's going to cool as real tension. Well, last time we spoke you mentioned the deep divisions in this country, which is not that surprising. But how you connect the the chasms between the different views that people have and that unhappiness you were just talking about. Well, I think people feel that they shouldn't be feeling like that you know, that they should be a greatest sense of one in the country. And I think that has been a feature of of America from in times past. But now they they missed that. And and I think it's a discombobulating feeling for a lot of Americans. You know, what I mean, they really feel affected adversely about it. And I think they're also exhausted by the constant conflict. That's not a good thing. And I suspect that it's gonna keep going for the next two years because essentially last night, we didn't really see a resolution to that conflict. Well, this is a unique country and on that point my producer says I have to ask where are you staying? We're staying at the Watergate hotel in Washington where else would you stay when you're covering presidential. The campaign was that an accident. No, no. It was quite delivered actually. Australian documentary filmmaker Bruce hawker good to speak again and safe travels. Thanks, mike. Great to talk to you. We can't reasonably talk about the midterms without talking about this call it fake news. Call it propaganda tonight. A look inside Russia's disinformation campaign nother onslaught of Russian propaganda this time flooding the internet. We're months we've heard about Russian efforts to divide Americans and disrupt the twenty sixteen election. So how did coordinated disinfection campaigns play out in this election? Let me turn to Rene Directa. She joins us from our BBC studios in Washington Renate, you research online disinformation for the Austin based company new knowledge and to be clear, we're not talking about hacking here, we're talking propaganda disinformation fake news..
"rene directa" Discussed on The Tech Guy
"You know, all this time spent reading is is is keeping kids from what is it going outside playing fresh air and using their magic nation. Well, you know, I guess it's maybe it's baby the cavemen. Maybe the caveman said son, stop painting on the walls get outside and find some meat. I don't know. The quote Rene Directa, she's a security researcher on the board of the center for humane tech. She says this is another option she won't allow passive screen time. Just sitting watching TV or. Playing game will allow short amount of time on challenging game. She has a two year old and a four year old now, wait a minute two year old. She wants them to learn how to write computer code. So she embraces their awareness of gadgets playing a building game. I guess like Minecraft is allowed watching a YouTube video is not unless it is as a family. Frank Barbieri who's a San Francisco based executive at the start up pebble post, which by the way. Is a direct mail advertising firm that watches what you do online and sends advertising based on that. He says he limits. His five year old daughter screen time to stuff in talian. Well, let's you know, let's go to the kid. Learn italian. RBI said this is again, the New York Times article, we have friends who are screened abolitionists, and we have friends who are screened liberalists. Now, we have terms for. He's read studies on how learning a second language at a young age is good for developing mine, so makes his daughter watch Italian language, movies and TV show. You know, that's to me. That's like, it's okay. She's learning talion. What do you think? I I am. So glad that my kids are old enough. Now, I don't have to think about it. I I'm helping to raise a fifteen year old are stepson. And he spends a lot of time on the screen like ours day, playing games on his computer. And if we get off the computer pull out the phone. But you know, it's hard for me to criticize what I'm standing right next to plan Pokemon, go on my phone. Recently. I got rid of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, deactivate, all the cats. So I don't have on my phone. I noticed that was a lot of screen time on my phone was spent doing those activities. But instead of looking up and smell in the fresh air and nosing the world around me, I just found a game. So I could at least it makes me walk around. They're really dictate, but I think that that's, you know, I don't I don't know if the devil lives in our phones, but I do it's pretty clear that what Silicon Valley has gotten very good at is creating content. Whether it's social media or games that draws us in engages us and keeps us coming back from. All right. They're very good at that. Is that a bad thing? It's good for their business is good for us. Eight ask the phone number. Let's talk high tech, Leo LaPorte. The tech guy. Eighty eight ask Leo I have to say, you know, those of us who play Pokemon go. At least have to go outside and walk. According to Niane -tic, the folks who make Pokemon go in the first six months of poke mongo players walked eight point seven billion kilometers. But how many people were just sitting in the passenger seat of car? You're no, no. Yeah. You have to you have to drive very slowly though. Right. If you go over ten miles an hour, you doesn't count. So I think that they discouraged that you know, they want you to walk..
U.S. sanctions Turkey's justice, interior ministers over pastor's detention
"On members of, NATO ally specifically to high ranking Turkish government ministers because Of. That country's decision to detain American pastor Andrew Brunson White House. Spokeswoman Sarah Sanders at. The president's direction the department. Of treasury is sanctioning Turkey's minister of Justice and minister of interior, both of whom played leading roles in the arrest and detention of pastor. Brunson on Twitter President Trump unleashed fury against the. Special counsel's investigation calling on attorney general Jeff Sessions. To immediately end Robert Muller's probe sessions recused himself early on. Though Connecticut democratic Senator dick Blumenthal says the president's treat tweets crossed the line this. Tweet strikes me as, very close, to the. White House downplayed Trump's outbursts saying he simply. Frustrated with what, he believes is corrupt investigation foreign efforts to make Americans hate each other on social media continue that's the word from social media experts testifying on Capitol Hill as the midterm elections loom Rene Directa works for new knowledge A company that identifies fake accounts and fake news she told senators Russian bots are becoming harder for companies like. Facebook and Twitter to spot what they did change. Was they paid in US dollars in Canadian dollars so they are no longer, paying in, rubles they're. Probably no longer using IP addresses that. Are tied to Russia global news, twenty four hours a day on Aaron at tick tock on Twitter powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists and. Analysts in more, than one hundred twenty countries I'm Martin dick.
"rene directa" Discussed on Reply All
"Is six hundred bucks right every day we sold a hundred twenty i see it to two hundred so it's a small price to pay in the end so off of like a six hundred dollar investment eric says that his company was making a couple grand a day and that they are still the number one dryer ball on amazon eric's company wasn't unique in realizing that the algorithm changed all across amazon people are like oh if i want to stay ahead of the game i want to be in the number one spot i have to get more reviews so suddenly everybody's in the market for fake reviews and i talked to this reporter who a couple months ago decided that she wanted to understand how this fake review market worked my name is elizabeth watkin and i am the silicon valley correspondent for the washington post which i feel like we should mention is owned by jeff basis right so elizabeth was working with this researcher named rene directa and rene said to elizabeth like hey listen i think i found like the fake review motherlode like where all of the fake reviewers hang out so she and i were talking one day about how she had been looking at all these facebook groups for amazon reviewer clubs and she said why don't you go and check them out see what their life because they to be totally scamming amazon's rules so i went in with her and these groups were just unbelievable because you go in for a second and you kind of announce herself like hey you know i'm interested in reviewing dm me and then suddenly you'll start getting dozens and dozens of dm's from facebook messages from sellers and they just start going and rapid fire offering to pay your view their products they're like would you like kitchen is no would you like shower caddies no how about retractable badges how bluetooth headsets and they'll just go on and on and on sweetening the deal rain ponchos some of these groups are huge like i found one called the amazon review club that has twenty one thousand members and do you have any idea like who is actually writing these reviews yeah i actually talked to one of them okay he goes by the name glue boy glue boy can you just just to get a level on your voice can you tell me it's super early where where you are right you're in california too around seven fifteen a m well i appreciate you waking up this early for me i don't problem i'm a student so not too bad so glue boys in college he's twenty and he told me that over this past school year he did dozens of paid reviews on amazon and he actually gets his hands on the product he he he gets he purchases the product and then once he's got it he writes the review and he does the reef any gets gets a refund how much info to the folks who want you to review give you now it's a bit more complicated because they ask you to search kind of a generic term lead to the item and then click on a few items look reviews to so that amazon doesn't you know notice that all of a sudden a bunch of people are going to this product directly do they ask for specific language in the reviews they like make sure to talk about this particular thing yes for some sellers some sellers will provide a you know they'll give give you a review but those usually sound very artificial you know to sound ridiculous reading it like a robot road it usually it's a you know right shown personal review what he told me he was like he was like it's pretty easy to avoid detection amazon is not super sophisticated about this but i have some like best practices which are don't review everything you buy that looks super suspicious right don't review too many of the same type of product that look super right wise guy keep buying bluetooth headphones and then he said something which i loved which is he was like the hallmark of a fake review is that it's pretty much uniformly positive and then there's like one tossed off negative thing that can easily be ignored so if you're reviewing one of those like dashboard mounted cell phone holders you would say something like.