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Effectively Wild Episode 1470: Baseballs Busy Meetings

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Effectively Wild Episode 1470: Baseballs Busy Meetings

"Cole be to in Paris. Hello and welcome to episode. Fourteen seventy of effectively wild a baseball podcast brought you by fan graphs and our Patriot supporters. I Meg Rally Fan Graphs and I'm joined vendor's always by Ben. Limburg of the Ringer Ben. How're you what we what elite to winter meetings and they were busy? Did you have a nice rest of your meetings and trip home. I mean yes I did. bler it was busy I had to abandon Vanden very nice dinners back to back nights. We were just putting in our order the night that call sign when the coal signing broke the so I stopped put down my drink and I was sitting next to to J. Jaffe who wrote the sort of long analysis piece and and was on deck to do that and he and I are coordinated and Brennan Allow sqi offered to do our instagram. Couldn't do that all from the dinner. Table I didn't WanNa add it on my phone own so I. That's just so sure way to have bad typos so I got a little too to go bag and then Getting up as if I were about to go do something really much more important than editor story about Gary Cole- I dramatically got into a lift and headed back to the hotel so that so that was what I was Tuesday Tuesday night and then on Wednesday we thought. Oh we'll go we'll go to dinner earlier and surely early surely we won't have another big signing sit down. Yep Yeah so so. I added that instagram from the restaurant. Because you know I learned from my mistake and I brought my laptop with me and the wait staff. There was looking at me like what. When do these baseball nerds get out of here? 'cause I don't know about these folks their their travel along the length my asking you about writing about transactions last week do you think have you seen that. There is really a diminishing return when it comes to getting post up say an hour or two later it because your editor like will people just go and read the MLB trade rumors summary and say. I don't eat this van. Breast Post no thank you I will not click on that or when it happens at night like that. I mean a lot of people weren't even awake rate. Certainly people were not at work. Which is where we read a lot of our baseball? So does it matter or are we just stuck in like a twitter world where we just have to respond to everything immediately. Because that's what everyone else does. I think the approach that we have found that is the the best is to do for these big signings. We sort of had writers assigned in advance to be the point person for for rent own for recall infrastructures Berg. Those were the three that we were most concerned about And then probably didn't think they would have been on back to back his shirt. Sure did not sure. Did Not think that we would leave. I want your meetings with all that business concluded but you know getting a a little instagram's up that gives folks some some idea of what's what Danell normally really do as its production in there it. Just we find that. Are you know like our readers want to read about baseball and they WANNA talk about it in the comments and so we'd like to to provide a place where they can do do that. And then you know with the instagram's up we can. We can breathe a little bit and And then get the the longer sort of more throw. Analysis sustain a little bit later. But I don't know like I think that when it's big signings like that people want to people are pretty have a pretty voracious appetite hype for for analysis about it and they will definitely read stuff into the following day. But I think it's just nice to give folks a place to go and read and you know Squawk at each other in the comments and be happy for their favorite team. If it's the Yankees and be sad for their favorite team if it's everyone else and and yeah so does I. I don't know I think that you're probably right in that. It matters maybe a little bit less than we think. But also it's just a it's good to give the people what they want and what people want is a Garrett Cole they want my they want my really tortured. Anthony Run don't headline which I will take responsibility for. That was not poor Ben. Clemens his fault he had some infield. You're doing I mean come on. That was right. Contribute something other than making sure the commerce in the right place so so yeah well. Well that's about as big as baseball news gets in the OFFSEASON. Yeah at least so when we're not discussing the latest Astra's scandal that's That's what the people want to read about. So gotTa Kinda give them what they want and we have not yet given them what they want. Where Anthony Window is concerned on this podcast so we will have to discuss him because that signing winning broke just a little bit after I posted our most recent episode and then I saw that news and I was like all our podcast is out of date already? But that's okay because is it was really long episode and we had no time to talk about Anthony. Don't even if that had happened but now we get to talk about it today. And hopefully people will still indulge us. WanNa hear that even though it has been a couple of days already in the could have read multiple fan crest post about it all the many fan grasp posts. I do you have a a couple. Non rendon things to say or just Maybe one before we get to rendell. There's just so much news just an onslaught of news of all kinds at the winter meetings and a lot of it I think has been lost probably to the public and also to me. Just because the Boris activity drowned doubt everything else and I'm sure that their transactions that happen that I am not even aware of I will just have to scan all of the transaction post just to see what I missed because because there were like noteworthy signings if this had been a slow winter meetings we probably would lead with that like we would be entering about that but it just got totally pushed aside by the biggest sightings of all but one thing that I did want to mention two teams have announced this month that they are moving their offenses in and unsurprisingly it is the two teams that have had the hardest parks to homer in over the past few years. So if you go go look at Van. Graphs most recent park factors and sort by the homerun factor. You will see at the very bottom. The marlins and the giants are actually the giants at the bottom of the marlins it almost at the bottom and those are the two teams that have decided that they are going to be moving in the fences. So just scanning the hardball. Talk posts about this. The marlins this are moving in their center and Right Center field fences so straightaway center is going from four hundred seven feet to four hundred feet and right center is going from three ninety two to three eighty seven. That's not huge. But it's something and then the giants are moving in a bunch of fences so left Centerfield field going from four zero four two three ninety nine straightaway center. Eight feet shorter and triples alley is going to be a little less Tripoli than it used to V it's going from four twenty one to four fifteen and then the height of the Centerfield fences going down from eight feet to seven and I understand why these things happened. Even these teams have had really extreme parks at least by the standards of today and the giants especially Grinch crispy has written about this but seems like Oracle local park is just been like the land that time forgot when it comes to the lively ball of the past few years because you will get the homerun rates there and it they just have not really increased. It's like that has been a place where just no one hits homer so looking at the ball era here. Twenty Fifteen Brendan Crawford led the giants with twenty one. Dinger's in two thousand fifteen twenty sixteen brandon belt lead with seventeen homers. Twenty Seventeen Brendan Belt led again with eighteen homers. Two Thousand Eighteen Evan Longoria let with sixteen homers two thousand nine thousand nine hundred might stem ski and Kevin Poole are tied with twenty one in homer's and this is an era when everyone is hitting twenty one homers. That's a that's just common now and so I get it because this when you play in a park like that hitters complained and they get annoyed when they hit a Paul well and it doesn't go out and maybe you think fans WanNa see homers and they've we've seen homer's everywhere else but your park and probably you think that it will benefit you in some way. Maybe it will benefit your team disproportionately to do this but even if not maybe you just don't want to have such an extreme park and I get that but when we're in such extreme season and era in the other direction it's sort of a shame because if anything it seems like we should be moving fences back and making it a little harder to hit home runs although we don't know what the ball will be in how it will behave next year but assuming assuming it's the same we'll get even more homers just because A few more boss will go over the fences at these two homerun suppressing parks. I know that he is no longer anger. A giant all. This is the problem with with names. Like that. With with people names as mascots and because it's leg Iro he's the same. Heidi always always was pointing. Isa He's no longer powder. It's like what happened to him. I realize that Joe Panic is no longer on the giants Joe Panic he hit this this past season and he hit three home runs Masimba vulgar to feels like not enough home runs for Joe Panic which might explain why he's no longer on the giants. Johnson is currently a free agent. I believe yeah I I tend to agree. I think a we want there to be. We have allowed ourselves this lovely bit of variability in baseball. That is so strange. Compared to other professional sports where they're really strict parameters about the size of a field and I think that vary abilities abilities is fun and I also that it is an important as as your as you're saying like in an era where everyone is hitting home runs there being some more were reasonable level somewhere even if it is an extremely other direction provide some kind a balance. That is probably important necessary so I I don't know about at this. They're not going to bring the sculpture back in Miami right now. That would be everything if they did. Yeah if it were like we have to move the fences and to make room for a new and improved improved sculpture even bigger than before for it but that doesn't seem to be the rationale. Yeah no it does not so. I think that the game because You you know we would. We would hardly ever expect. What am I trying to say? If we were to redesign the way parks are constructed now having had them always be the same and uniform. `introducing variability would strike us as just kind of Kuku but we had the door open to that already. We got to enjoy that variability. The sport allows house for it so too constricted further so that you can try to produce more hitters. Who looked the same? You know. Seems like kind of a bummer to me. 'cause Sir I I like I like that. It's hard to hit. homerun somewhere. Seems like it should be hard somewhere. Yeah right yeah I like that very ability. The and there's a great article from the Hardball Times a couple of years ago by John. larue that I have to before and willing to again that talks about the much innovation ballparks. Listen shows with visuals that ballparks have gotten more standardized over time and the fence heights in the fence distances have converged by quite a bit and it makes sense I think is ballparks used to just sort of be squeezed into the city as the landscape allowed and now no. That doesn't really tend to happen. Usually you clear some space for a ballpark in so you don't really have to cram it in and have weird dimensions and I think that's good in a sense like there certainly been some ballparks where it was just so extreme that you would get incredibly shallow fences and it would sort of make mockery of the game in a way but I do really like that about baseball. That's one of my favorite things about baseball. Relative to sports that do have standardized dimensions is is that it's different wherever you go. And it has to be some degree of different to actually be noticeable fray so I don't WanNa completely completely lose that but why if you're a giants hitter you're probably pretty happy about this. Yeah I appreciate that but I think the other thing it does if we take out some of the goofy dimensions as it takes away a really great a great bit of comfort that we can give ourselves if we're opposing fans and something doesn't go our way like you now if you're you're a fan of a team that's playing the Yankees in Yankee Stadium and your pitcher gives up a couple of Dinger's you're like well why they plan a little league ballpark. How Park a little league field? You know this is a real baseball and you can. You can walk away feeling wounded but like you know like you were done an injustice and we don't like anything it's much as we like feeling indignant about stuff so You know that's another. That's another thing. What are we going to say? We're going to have to acknowledge the accomplishments of our enemies. What does that? Yeah you should be able to make excuses and say it was cheap so yeah all right. So let's talk talk rendering so tone. Signed basically the Strasbourg deal seven years to forty five. Except without the deferral so I guess effectively it's a little more more money than Strasbourg. God and Strasbourg and Cole. I think outperformed their contract expectations and windonw got more or less what he was expected to get. He's a great player. He deserves it and I think it's at very nice consolation prize for the angels may even be under selling it to say it's a consolation prize for for not getting Garrett Cole 'cause it's entirely possible that Renton will prove to be the better investment over the course of that contract and and the better player he is about his good player. Now and I've seen people pointing out that Renton will be Mike Trout's best teammate. And that is sort of unsurprising ising to me. It's kind of underwhelming observation. I think just because angels haven't been very good and be ren donors like a top five player in baseball over the past few to several years and so it would be kind of unusual if trout had had a teammate. This good you wouldn't really expect one team particularly one mediocre team to have to the five or so best players baseball but I guess the point is that might traps teammates have consistently let him down and not performed well clearly not up to a trillion level but not even up to it an adequate level that a team with Mike Trout could consistently they make the playoffs and so in that sense. It's nice that might trap now has a very accomplished sidekick and I'm sure there was one of those years and there may be where entrance John Simmons Outward Anthony Down because of his great defense but porn is Ben Donors Great and now we get to see him and trout. End Otani County and Simmons on the same team which I know I will be watching a lot of angels baseball as a always do or at least a lot adjusted for how much angels baseball vice should be watching given how good the team has been how closely it has contended. And so now I get to see another one of the best and breath most compelling players in baseball when I tune into those games. So that's nice we will get into some of the more specific things about rent and then also the twenty twenty angels is whole but I I have a very important Scott. Boris related question. which is do you think that this does anything to the number of games that he watches behind home played at the ballpark looming looming just over the empire shoulder casting? His watchful eye upon several several clients do think it because he's there a lot already so I don't know much more room he has but you have to figure that at least early in the season. We're going to see a lot of Boris hanging on. Yeah probably yeah. I noticed them back there fairly frequently but they haven't kept track of how often so I couldn't say how much room he has to expand spend their but y'all one of his highest profile clients is is now they're so seems like that would be extra incentive to behind home plate lurking and getting the great camera time he he's very present very present and it is the thing I notice every single time. I can't I can't quite help myself. What's an unusual configuration to have that little like subterranean in closest closest area behind home plate? And then you're is drawn to Scott Boris. Because he's Scott Boris and instead of just noticing a generic fan in which you would do anyway because you pay close attention to every back there but it's not just any event it is one of the most famous faces says in baseball and a face that hasn't really seemed to change very much upwards. Just kind of looks the same as he used to. At least in my mind's eye he assured us so oh rundown I think we can now we can now firmly and decisively dismissed the underrated narrative When it comes I Anthony Rondo and we we have found? He has been weighed and found to be properly rated at a very high level. So we can. We can dismiss that I. When I was editing Benz piece? I thought you know He. The renaissance had only just made his first all star game. This past season and I thought well that seems very wrong wrong so I went to baseball reference to double check because I was like all right. I shouldn't Let ben get goofed through their. Someone will say something in the comments and he was right. This was the very first one so this is very wrong. It's very accurate. That's a that's a good way of putting it so. I think that you're right that we will have a lot of very exciting reasons to you. Watch Angels Baseball. I imagine we'll get more of them as you know. I'm prospects like Joe. Adele joined the team. I would imagine that as they creep closer to contention that might right. Maybe move up his timeline. A little bit so that they can get the full benefit of him. But I don't want to give short shrift to the Rendong analysis but I do wonder her if you're the angels and you're looking at your lineup as currently constituted and you're looking at your rotation as it's currently constituted by I mean there's a reason they went after Gal I suppose. Yeah there's a bit of a mismatch there and I don't know that I think this is a great offensive team. I think it could be. I think there are still some questions there. Obviously if you're starting with trout in renaissance. That's about as good of a one to as as you can have. And then Otani of courses very good but you have upton coming off a down year and not clear. Exactly what you're going to get out of him mm-hmm Simmons's coming off down here to La. Stella was good before he got hurt but that was kind of an out of character performance for him so so can he replicate that. I don't know right now. They kind of don't have a catcher or at least they don't have a catcher. Who can hit a cast they have Stasi who can catch? But there's that. And then they have David Fletcher who I like a lot. But he's not a star level hitter. And then you have Albert Potholes kind of tracking you down. So there some uncertainty there and yes hopefully and may be Adele comes up at some point but he sort of had some growing pains at triple eight. Yeah she won't be. Russia rushed but right. Yeah and I don't know if you can expect him to be like an above average contributor are. The season wouldn't shock anyone given how talented he is. How players seem to be aging these days but can't really count on it anyway? Not Saying saying that. It's a bad offensive team. I think it could be a good offensive team. But not like an overpowering one but yes it's a way better offensive team than it is a pitching itching team right now. And even after you trade for Dylan Bundy and you get Otani back which that would be like one of the big acquisitions acquisitions of offseason. If you could expect Otani to pitch a lot of innings and of course we want him to pitch out of innings but he has done that in in years and years so his innings totals over the past few years zero in two thousand nineteen fifty one and two thirds in twenty eighteen twenty five and third in two thousand seventeen. So it's not since twenty sixteen that he was pitching regularly and he's never thrown more than about one hundred sixty innings because because he was so young and the BBC's in his shorter so he's never been anything close to a workhorse and even though his arm should be fully recovered bird. They will still want to be careful with him so I don't know what you hope to get out of him this year like to say. Oh let's hope we get a hundred innings because even under normal circumstances at least in his rookie year. He was pitching once a week. Because of the whole two way thing and d. h. egg in between and so there are no normal circumstances for for Shohei Otani so I don't know how many innings you get out of him and then there's Bundy and then there's a bunch of pitchers who could be better than they were should be better but no-one there who gives you a ton of confidence and this is a team that got anymore in experiments bullpen than its rotation last year. So yeah I think there are clearly more moves to be made here probably more moves. That will be meant. Yeah I was thinking about this as I was waiting to to Edit Ben on Wednesday and I should say our hotel I think I mentioned this when we did. The sourcing was very close to to PETCO and I could look out over PETCO and they were doing some sort of winter meetings Gao which I'm sure our invitations to that tossed in the mail so we won't be upset but I wouldn't have been able to attend anyhow because I had to work but it was fun to look out on other people having fun while I was editing but I I was sitting there thinking about the state that the angels find themselves into my first thought was well. You know there are as he said like. There's some there guys coming back on the rotation aside some of whom might you know might do well. We might. We might expect something good from them or at least see where they have the upside to perform above whether sorta the projected to next year but it is very strange to look at a team like this. That has Mike Trout and has just signed Anthony Rundown and is getting show at tiny back in your so excited then you realize they still have a lot to do but then I also realized that it was December eleventh. Have Plenty of time at at the rate this market is moving players left true true but it is it is a funny thing to you know be in in a position where you have so much potential and so much towns concentrated which is a good thing you have room on the roster for other stuff. You don't need to construct struct and outfield with bits and bobs to get at the number of wins that Mike Trout skinny contribute. Just have Mike Trout. You just have him and he's GonNa be go to baseball. So that part's really great. But they do still have some work to do. I'm going to be so very effectively. Wild thing to turn our segment on Anthony. Anthony Run donen touch US wanting to talk about Roy. Johnny I'm going to be so fascinated. See what has usages lake next year did you I. I listened to some of the episode that U. N.. Sam Did most recently. And then I and the my phone died I had to turn it off. Did you talk about the comment. That madden made that he might consider giving up the D. H.. On days or fishing. Yes okay then. I won't make you talk about it again. I'll just go back and listen. Learn along with our listeners. We're on the same wavelength think. Yeah so that was exciting and yet so they. They seem to be talking to all the available pictures on the trademark. It David Price. And and the Cleveland pitchers CRESCO Cooper. I don't know if they would be able to land one of those guys with the prospects that they have. Who aren't Adele? Ann and I'm sure they would want to give up a dell for one of those guys so not sure about that. But then they're still bumgarner and they're still review and they're still some solid. Starting pitchers pitcher's left so Yami may need probably two guys for me to feel confident about this being a playoff team. So hopefully they go all the way so that they don't enter yet another season. Because as Sam was saying on the last episode it would be even sadder if they had signed Garrett Cole and then somehow they I missed the playoffs with coal and trout and Dotan seven's sophie swapping reknowned for coal and equally dismaying but there's probably enough room for them to maneuver that they could avoid that fate. And obviously they won't have to face Garrett Cole anymore so that is at least one upside aside and miss out on him but he dominated them the three times that he faced this past year as he dominated everyone but they weren't alone in that let's can can. I didn't prepare for this can I. Can we do a little angels exercise okay. We're going to do this based on. Just we're just GONNA go by the wind holes roles from American League teams last year and see and see if you think the angels are better as currently constituted than than the team my name. We'll just go through these just to get a sense of where they're at so we can skip the first ones the first couple of here. I assume you do not believe them to be better than the Astros do. Not nor the Yankees. No how about the twins. It's not twins now probably not today but by the end of the offseason I could imagine myself saying so but not today no not today so division rival Oakland Athletics. No no the Jeff Sullivan raise. No no the Cleveland Indians No the Boston Red Sox Nope oh now the Texas Rangers. Yes okay better than the richer. Okay so now we're getting into some we're getting into some territory. That's that's promising. I I will say the angels are the next American League teams down so glad that they've cleared at least one. Yeah this is where the angels often are entering a season where it's click. Well Yeah I could sorta see him as wildcard contenders and then they haven't even been that lately. But I do believe that they will be at least that in twenty twenty when all is said and done. It's just that this is stolen unfinished roster right now. It is still an unfinished roster. I think that the question marks on on the pitching side of things are serious and ones that will probably need to be addressed. But I think that there is some sneaky potential in that rotation to just if for no other reason than hopefully the injury luck is better than last year to be better than we expect. It would be mayor. Wouldn't it be just the funniest thing. If a Dylan Bundy lead rotation was what got trout. Back into the postseason I would What a dream? What a Griffin canning getting Mike where he belongs? Let's go do times. I'm GONNA mistakenly even though his first name is very different and he has a pitcher. Think that Pablo Sandoval is pitching for the now. It's going to happen at least once. We should be a very exciting infield. Because now you've got condone and you get Simmons and you've got Fletcher and that part is is really good. They should vacuum up some grounders and some of the pictures that they could still add to this team or GRANDPA pitchers who might fit pretty well there and it seems to me that Ren donors a very trout type player or track type hitter at at least in that he liked trout combines elite plate discipline with great power and improved power. He keeps getting better in that respect as Ben Clements pointed out in his post and they are two of the best at that. And they're also I think two of the truly great players who perhaps Sir Chop off the screen a little less readily than others do other equivalent talents. Not that they're already equivalent towns to travel but you can watch watch those guys for a game or two and not necessarily see what it is that makes them so amazing but they're good at everything and not bad. At anything and plate discipline is sort of a skill that can be a little hard to see at first and obviously also is not a very demonstrative attention incheon getting type of player which is what led to his being underrated for some time and he will have some entertaining quotes and be sorta funny sometimes but he. He is not really going to draw the eye or have any really controversial quotes or anything like that. He's not GonNa make headlines for much except being good at baseball spell which is enough but those two I. I kind of think of them as similar sort of players. They and Fletcher are two of the players. Who even in in this era of tons of strike outs will walk? Roughly as much as they strike out if not more which is always a pleasing thing so it's Sorta Nice is that they are united here and obviously the teams that missed out on. Rendon are sad about that and it seems like there's about to be a run on Josh Donaldson as the remaining sort of star level position player and third base position player as well so it seems like he might go next whether it's the the nationals the Rangers or the dodgers various teams that missed out on rundown seem very much announcing Donaldson and in the short term. He might make the same sort of impact that don will make so. I think probably if you were to pick loser of the winter meetings I guess many people might pick the dodgers because they were in on all the big free agents and they didn't end up with any of them and through. What was the biggest move made like training? I guess was there big signing so that SORTA disappointing if you're dodgers spent but I also understand. Stand it because a year ago at this time we were talking about the dodgers not making the big move and people were critical of them for not signing Bryce Harper and settling for. Aj pollock. And obviously they would have been a bit better with Bryce Harper. But you can't be much better than that team was so that's the thing they're just so oh good and they have such a great talent base that they're just is a little less urgency. I think for them to make like I understand why the angels would outfit. The dodgers sled safer at the Iran. Don't they need at the near. Don't more than the dodgers do. The dodgers have had to move Justin Turner and move you've bellinger and you had to do some positional shifting and it would have limited their versatility a little bit and it would work than it would have made the better but I think there need need is just a little less acute and you sort of like to see them just flex their financial muscles the way the Yankees did go out and sign that big free free agent because they haven't really done that in the freemen era I think pollock is the biggest free agent deal. They've signed with a player who's not already on the dodgers and re signing. And so. Maybe that's a little bit of his small-market background just an x rays person. Finding it hard to hand out the big contract but maybe it's just that they keep doing such a good job of developing players and picking players up off the scrap heap that they just never really need to break the bank. The way the other teams do. I think that it's tricky. When I think that you're absolutely right especially when it comes to run down the the every team is better with an Anthony Rendall and so I don't measure as you're down play? I don't think that you're doing that but I don't mean to downplay like what could've happened in this lineup if it featured anthony or unknown also oh that would be pretty rad up. Justin Turner will age eventually region. And so like there. There will be some need there though. You know if you listen to the scuttle but maybe maybe kyle zero to La. We'll get an all alzira anyway. So every team would be better with anthony random so I don't think that there is a downside downside to signing really good players especially if all it costs you a lot of money because then you don't have to give up prospect capital but. I think that you're right that the the urgency was was probably not sufficiently present if we think about the stuff that the areas of that roster that we were at times concerned about last year they intended to be the bullpen. And I appreciate the reticence to sort of backup. Bring struck for relievers. Because they can be they can be kind of shifty so if you think about it through that Lens dodgers okay. We could use some bullpen helping. Maybe we can fix quick Trenin so that makes some good sense but it does I think think give the impression that relative to some of their peers. Who are quite serious about things particularly the Yankees that they're sort of just standing pat? It's probably too early early in the offseason for us to have a really strong opinion about that sort of thing but yeah. They didn't overwhelm anyone this week. Yeah and as I was saying the San last time like it would would have been nice if Cole had gone to a less successful. Twenty nineteen team just to see things even out a little bit between the super teams and the terrible teams but rendon at least props up one of those teams that did not make the playoffs and we are seeing about. GTM's that didn't go after it and try to compete compete in Twenty Twenty and that is reassuring and refreshing and maybe that partly explains why the market has been so busy and so active. And I guess that's the question. What do we make of this week of all of baseball's biggest business happening during the winter meetings? which is something that we used to anticipate and think was possible but in the last couple winters it just didn't seem like it was and so now we're back to business business being done in November and December and it's been fun so far it also means that we will probably have less to talk about next month and the month after that but we haven't seen a lot of trade activity which I guess could be because you can only manage so many moves at once and free agent market is moving so fast just that there's no time to talk trade so maybe we will get into that later in the offseason and if we actually do see some of these Bryant's and Betson Lindores and Erna does etcetera moved careers? All these players you wouldn't think would possibly move and may may not still but have at least been floated as trade candidates. Maybe some of them do or one of them does. And that gives you some big headlines but otherwise otherwise maybe much of the major offseason businesses concluded and. I don't know what to conclude from that because really suffering some whiplash here going from you know previous free agency to last couple of winters to where we are now. I think that the conversation. UN Sam hat about and Sam's point about the perception. We have late free agent signings last year being a function. Not only of how late it was but also it's sort of reinforcing a broader narrative. What if we had an understanding of the market as being quite antagonistic toward labor is right? I think that I would like I'd prefer to sequence it this way away. For a couple of reasons I mean that for players you know the longer a player is unsigned the last leverage. He has until right up at the very last Minot where the need is suddenly quite gray in case there's an injury or what have you in teams are desperate to fill out the rosters. But I think that I'd rather you know I think it's nice to not have that dynamic be quite as present in this moment especially after an off season last year where it just seemed like every other week we were like a streak so it's nice to not be mired in that in quite the same way You know we still talk about the broader market. And what's coming up but I think it is nice to have a bit of a breather from that. I think it's I I think it's way better for fans to be able to be excited about their teams this way. It's easier this way because you know now I mean and let us let us be glad that Yankees fans are finally getting relief. Such a jerk. But you know like if you're a white Sox Fox fan you know how to feel about the direction of your team now. You know what they're up to you you can sit there and say like yeah. They think that they're in it now. They think they're in in it to win. And they're making moves to to demonstrate that and I can get excited in and you know when January comes and it's been snowing in Chicago on hold hold and I wanNA thank wistfully about something I can think about baseball because the white sox care about this and if you're a cubs fan I don't know you still won the world series so no I am sorry or teams being a bummer. But at least you have that going for you but I I just think it provides to have that road map so early allows you to get got excited and yeah you're GonNa sit there during February and I'm GonNa make you talk about college baseball. And you'RE GONNA hate it and you're gonNA hate it but you know what then then you're then you can think wistfully about Garrett Cole and you'll just be able to picture in pinstripes and you'll know what that is and you'll do someday soon mega shut up and that'd be great you won't you won't think it quite that way because you're too nice a guy but you will be second you talking about you know like I don't Torkelsson but you see see they all win. We all win but I think that I think this approach is better. I think that one we're on the other side of it. You know so many of the same. The fundamental structure of Baseball's labor market has not changed. And so we're still going to have to think critically about how L. Labor relates to ownership. And what the next. CBS Negotiations GonNa look like. And I imagine that will still manage to be a contentious a contentious time and it's not as if you know everything is going great. We still have this conflict between Major League a Minor League baseball looming that we're going to have to sort out but but I think it is a say it's nice. It was nice to have it be busy and to have be busy with stuff that you really thought could move. Where team was is on the wind curve rate like for all for all the fodder that Jerry Dipoto has given us over the years it was nice to have real transaction? You you know. No disrespect to like Domingo's Santana or whatever other you know what. What did they do during the rule? Five last year will. Jerry was literally hospitalized that was the Edwin encarnacion Carlos Santana three three team player. What are nonsense? That stuff's fine. Those players are or big leaguers right there legitimate players who belong on a roster. But you know there's like Jerry doing his thing. And then there's the Yankee signing Garrett Cole and it was nice to have a couple of transactions like that to remind you that there are teams out there. We're just GONNA try to on. Some baseball games turns out. Yeah right and rob Manfred said something to the effect of wealth. Everything's fine now. Free Agency is robust. And we don't need any fundamental changes And I don't think we should think that and I don't think that the players association should think that he would hope that they wouldn't take their feet off the pedal title when it comes to pushing for changes or at least that they would start putting their feet on the pedal. I don't know if it's been on the pedal but I think the only one one foot on the pedal at driving one at a time and you're not gonNA use both your feet at the same time just one at a time. Bear bear that in mind if I should ever get behind the wheel so I think it's not as if All the problems are fixed but obviously this is encouraging so my question is how should we now talk about transactions and signings. Now that we're back to players actually making money again to the point that sometimes you see a contract and you think gee that looks like a lot and there was a time where we all kind of replayed GM and we would say. Oh that's overpay and that said bad contract and then when all the contracts went away we started being very conscious of that language and taking more of a pro player stance and not that I would want an odor to keep the money instead of the player. But I think if you take it so far that you just say well any contract is good. You should spend all the money and if that's the reaction to every move just hey all right. They signed someone more money. Just get more and more. I don't know if that's useful as an analyst or to your listeners. Go to your readers and so I guess the question is like how do you balance those things because he wanNA strike that rate tone and be conscious of those underlying pressures and you also maybe want to be conscious of the fact that there is less opportunity cost than there used to be. I don't know we used to operate under that assumption. That like well if you sign player X. for this many millions then that means you can't do this and you can't do that and certainly owners still want people to think that it's not quite as clear that it is as true as it used to be because teams have these additional revenue sources and yet there are only so many roster spots on a team and so there's still an opportunity cost there. Where if you sign this guy instead of that guy then? Maybe this guy isn't as good as that guy in so I don't know how to frame that if there's a contract that I think maybe that money could have been better allocated located to some other player who is a little bit better or would have been better value and yet also not wanting to prioritize efficiency see and spending of all else. I think it's a really good question because there can still be contracts that I think the I think the way to think about that without without conceding sort of ground toward a salary cap mentality that we don't have to fret over because it's not our budget et is to think about I think it's too about roster fit and I do think that it's you know it's credible for someone to should look at. I mean there haven't even really been a whole bunch of contractor. I thought. Oh that's so terrible. Like even I was surprised that drew POMERANZ got four years. Given how how few innings. We saw the version of him that he was in Milwaukee over but even his deal. It's none of this hamstringing that organization. It's not like he signed one hundred million dollars contract right so I think that the the way to pitch that analysis or at least the way that I've been trying to think about it is to really make it about the baseball that that player is contributing rather than Dan. The size of the contract has your you know we do need to acknowledge the reality of budgets. Even if we think that ownership is being stingy with their budgets and wish that they would would be willing to spend more and I think that you know budgets are a reality and we need to be cognizant of them even if we are hoping that ownership will you know not not view the luxury tax threshold as a hard salary cap. But they're still deals bring players in that. Are Bad organizational fits or perhaps are shoring up an area if the roster where we think there's already existing depth and it would be easier for a team to win more games if they were to prioritize other positions. I think we can still do data analysis but I actually think it's been a good exercise for public facing analysts over the last couple of years to try to break themselves of the habit a bit of purely doing value analysis because we don't have to be so concerned with teams budget even as we acknowledge the reality the of it and I think that by shifting to the player we focus on the part that actually is the most exciting to fans. Which is the baseball true right like you know like Anthony? Don is like a bad example of this. Because he's just so good at all the things that he can be a bit. He can be a bit boring hiring in his goodness so like Garrett Cole. Don't you just want to talk about Garrett. Cole I mean you're talking about the way the Garrett Cole like throws his fastball. I WanNa talk about that but that is such a fun thing talk about and so I think that you. It's not that you don't acknowledge the financial reality. And it's not that you should be indifferent to how Major League for an office is think about the roster construction because I do think that as analysts trying to help our readers understand the game that we need to talk about that stuff critically but but with sort of a clear I to how teams actually do this stuff. But I think it's about how you how you proportionate in an article right like you can talk about about the contract purpose chocolate about baseball. I think that makes sense now and now anytime someone thinks that the the ratio is wrong fan grass. I'm sure they're going to. It might be this conversation but yeah I think part of part of the guys at the top of the free agent class going so early is that we haven't really had one yet where I was like. Oh that's that's really far off base. That's that's too rich you know. I just haven't just haven't even. Let's let's not the way that I tend to think about the stuff anyhow but it just hasn't even even been the way of donate earthly cares if drew pomeranz has another year. It's fine yeah I I guess. Probably the most like eyebrow raising for me was probably the most dacas contract which yeah yeah maybe as. Maybe that's partly just a response to the fact that he couldn't get a multi year deal or at least one that he liked in each of the previous two off seasons and so that made need it even more surprising and on the one hand like if you do some sort of dollars per war thing and say that while he's making sixteen he million a year and he's certainly been to wind player so that seems fine but that's kind of a case. Where well is that the best move you can make to commit to Mike Dhaka's for four years at his age and to have him placed second base on that team? It's just it's sort of a strange fit. I mean it were. It might work out. Fine Mike Dhaka's been pretty good pretty dependable but that was the one. I think that most made me think that let's Not what I expected so I don't know I wouldn't say oh terrible. Move huge mistake but that kind of made me do a double take so that was one of the ones were thinking well. I'm not reading about this but if I were to read about it how would I frame that. I think that was newstalk. Is the way that I would think. Think about that is your you know. There is risk attendant with that deal and it is the risk you've highlighted and that stuff is real despite our satisfaction action that he's finally getting paid. But then I think you put those deals within the context of the actual potential negative impact that they have on a roster. And that's where her like. Even the MOUSSAKA steel is fine. 'cause the reds estimated payroll in twenty twenty right now peress resources one hundred and eighteen million dollars. Yeah like it's okay. It's okay because they are so far away from you know even sniffing the first luxury tax threshold and their team. That wants to to win. So I think that if we're going to talk about the contract stuff it's really important to put it within the context of both wear that team and organization in addition is on the wind curve where they are in terms of their overall payroll commitments. And even there. It's we this is fine and I'm not saying you're you're not saying that but you know I think it's like uh this is this is fine. It's always important also to remember that they eat very weird Spaghetti Spaghetti in that city and also that it's not our money so they you know they got all kinds of stuff to sort out before they worry about how much they're paying Mike. Mushtaq is in twenty twenty twenty four. Yeah figured out Spaghetti. They don't know. Is it spaghetti is a chilly. I don't know and I don't want anyone to tell me. Okay I don't want to know I'm just saying it's offensive to both Spaghetti and Chili okay. That's all shall we end with a couple of emails. I have here so Jacob Patriots supporter in the Wake Week of Scott Boras giant week says why would a professional baseball player. Not Higher Scott as his agent. It seems clear that poorest is at least as good as any other agent maximizing player salaries and maybe a lot better. I couldn't find any players truly addressing why they don't use Boris Robertson Cano who statement about switching from Boris to rock nation sports in two thousand eighteen provides little insight of course. Boris can't represent every baseball player. But it seems like more of them should switch to Boris some owners and executives don't like him but he still gets great outcomes for his players. He also has a reputation for helping players improve. It doesn't seem that he costs more than other agents. According to a two thousand one L. A. Times profile he then charged five percent. Which is the Industry Standard Commission? Primary reason I can think of to not hire Boris as other agent so successful at cultivating relationships with players are many players to attached to their agents to make the obvious business decision of hiring. Boris as Nick Castanos Astana described it in April goodness well. I think that the reason that we have hurts cited and I'm failing now to think of a specific player and rather than anonymous ones is that you know he because of the caliber of player that he typically represents I think that for mid tier and lower tier cheer free agents. I would imagine there is some frustration. About how much attention. You're getting because you are likely personally reps by someone who works for Scott Boras not by Scott Operas proper right. I doubt that I don't know the sixty fifth free best free agent in baseball has Boris in the room when that contracts getting negotiated so I think that part of it's probably that other agents do have success you know last year Mike. Trout signed a mega extension and manny. Machado got a three hundred million dollar deal. Neither of those guys are reps by Boris So there are other agencies that you good working secure good outcomes for their clients and I think that that combination of you know just who you resonate with and how much personal attention you think you're getting from that person Probably has a lot to do with it would be yes. Yeah I think that's a big part of it. Probably and Machado used to be ripped by by Boris I think and then he switched so that's another example that does happen. They were players who switched less offseason. Because as we were discussing on our last episodes the players were upset with how Boris went about that market. And I think there's maybe a perception I don't know if it's accurate or not right. But that he's maybe a little bit riskier like he's going to push harder and he's GonNa try to get the biggest possible number but that may be occasionally that won't work out for player and they'll be left kind of empty handed because he he pushed too hard he set his sights too high. I and maybe they just aren't willing to do the brinksmanship that Scott. Boris does sometimes than they just WanNa get deal done not spend their whole offseason worrying about it. Which means there's real value to that peace of mind of just knowing right my deals done? And here's where I'm going to play as opposed to not signing until March Ashley. bryce Harper invented that has to be somewhat stressful. Even if you know that you're going to end up somewhere and you're going to be wealthy wherever you go and I don't no I think maybe there's as you were saying like if you want just to be one of agents most prized clients can kind of be able to call up that agent at any hour of the day and just talk and get personal attention than maybe. You would go with a boutique week agency. That doesn't have that many quiets and can afford to devote a lot of time and attention to that client so that could be part of a two and sometimes their her personal relationships where like an agent will believe in a player and scout a player and relieve you know. Sign that player to to his agency even before the players all that promising and say I think you're going to be good so I want to represent you. And then sometimes those players will pan out and Nell turn out to be great and sometimes they will ditch that original agent and say well. Sorry no hard feelings. It's just business. I'm GonNa go with the person who has the best best track record but sometimes there is a a loyalty there and you think this person believed in me before anyone else ever heard of me. And I'm not going to abandon that agent now so I think that's part of it and yet I at this point like Boris must pretty much. have his pick of players. Lakers like you would think if anything that may be. Boris turning away players now. Because I mean I don't know like Boris Corpus is big and they have a lot of agents there so I'm sure they have plenty of bandwidth but still like they probably can afford to be pretty picky because if they're they're making these massive commissions on the eight hundred million plus dollars of contracts. That were signed this week alone by Boras clients than maybe they don't won't have to represent the non prospect to could potentially pan out but nine times out of ten isn't really going to make the ancient any any money or or much money so I would think that's part of it like maybe you you have to be worthy of course at this point so it's that more than the the other way around. I do know that you know like and this is not unique to agents for Boris like they. They're always on the look for for very young guys who show some promise. Thomas who don't yet have sort of deeply long-held representations so I think they do take fliers on guys but I think you're right that especially for established rushed minor and big leaguers where we kind of know what they are that they can probably be a bit choosy also so it's not as if you they are not obligated to represent anyone uh-huh so you know it's not like they have You Know Aquatic Guy Roles into Boris. CORCORAN's like okay. Where's ideal really? Yeah exactly exactly. And because Boris is always in the headlines and taken hardline stances and stuff. I could imagine that some some players might think that that they just don't have the appetite to to work within that he might be abrasive or something that that he might be domineering like he's he's always going to want to set the record and push for the highest number that he can and obviously a lot of players want that but a lot of players. I don't really want that. They they want a good amount of money but they don't necessarily care if they make more than that other guy or more than anyone has ever made before and so they might think. Well I don't WanNa go with Boris. Because he's going to be pushing me to do this or that and that's not really my priority. I don't know if that's affair perception at all because I think ultimately Boris will do what his clients tell him to do right so I don't think he's going to force them to to go against their there with their interests but there might be a perception that his strategy doesn't align with what certain players want well and I know that there was some concern. Earn going into this offseason with him representing Coal Strasbourg in Rangoon. That yeah right you know. Are these guys going to get the deals that they want or they're ah like you said. Is there going to be some sort of brinkmanship. Some some gaming and sequencing that goes on that maybe won't be to their liking and I think they probably all feel fine about it now. So that's I think that those guys are sitting here we did. Okay Yeah Yeah like Ken. Boris manipulate the market or is there a conflict of interest as he's representing the two top players at the same position or something right that has to be kind of tricky but he seems to navigate it okay and everyone makes their money so yeah but you could see how that could potentially be thing. Where if you're choosing between agents and you're not quite sure what criteria to select on other than them having secured lucrative contracts for their clients in the past and your own personal dynamic with them that something like that might be a thing that helps you decide if for no other reason than you need something to to use pick off of Pi? I think they're a lot of agencies that do good work and he's certainly the most well known agent in probably in sports right. Yeah I guess there's two Rosenhaus okay so I I don't really know what I'm talking about. I think is probably are better than I do. But he is he is. He is a name brand onto himself self irrespective of his client roster at any given time but there are other agents in agencies that that do good work and get get done what needs to be done on behalf of their clients so yeah I would think that if anything the importance of an agent at least when it comes to contracts should be lesser than it used to be and. I don't know that you can prove that or demonstrate that like we look at the contracts that Boris got his clients this weekend. We say great job by I. Boris and it's hard to imagine that anyone could have done significantly better with those guys than Boris did. But I don't know if you give them a replacement level qualified agent or an average agent to her above average agent. Do they make less to. They make significantly less. I have no idea because it seems like at this time when every team has its models in its evaluations. And it's not really like just sitting down at the table Oh and trying to talk them into signing your guy and producing a binder that makes the case that he's the best player ever or something like usually teams seems kind of at least front offices know what they think. A player is worth and Scott. Boris isn't going to persuade them. Otherwise I wouldn't think he'd has Had his move of going over the front office his head and going directly to ownership and I don't know if he did that this week or either whether that is as viable Bulla strategy as it has been before. Because I think you're getting more owners who are probably looking at things in a similar way to the front office or deferring to the front office or being more cautious because it's not like a Ted Turner or a Mike Lecture George Steinbrenner or something or there's you know it's it's Some kind of corporate entity as opposed to one owner. Who might be persuaded to do something? And be able to do that unilaterally so I would think that the importance of negotiating contract has been reduced. But I don't know if that's the case if it were the case then maybe you just want someone you get along along with. Who can give you good advice? And other aspects of life you know setting appear investments and handling all the endorsements and the pressures that come with being a celebrity and all the attention that gets paid to baseball players. Or if there's an agent to you may be could make you a better player. which is I think in area that some agencies are investing more heavily in you know actually trying to improve players and taking it upon themselves giving then analytical resources to get better that teams typically do so maybe some of those things are more important correlative sense than they used to be? I don't know it's just like Boris has been around for so long and he's gotten so many huge deals he's had so many high profile clients that you just assume him that he must be the best in the must be way better than everyone else. But it's hard to empirically demonstrate e- add as I think the place where they continue to religious demonstrate their worth and we can maybe we can maybe show this by thinking of two recent examples where we wish that agents had done a bit. Butter is to help their clients understand the overall state of the market and their own worth within that market and then to implore them to be patient where they might be hesitant to do that. So I think about the extensions that say Kunia and Albie signs last off season and and we all looked around and really what advice are they getting from their agent because it it read. I'd like a moment of even though you can understand the economic pressures that those players might have because they're so keen to secure that first million dollars arse given the the economically disadvantaged backgrounds that they came from you would think that good representation would tell them. No you're like tell Ronald accused. You know you're one of the best players in baseball. You're in the commercial with the new era hats. For reason friends like you have value on this market that far Dr exceeds the value of this contract and so I think that even as players have gotten savvier and the deals that teams give out that make us all krona. Scratch our heads because they're going to players who are you know in the decline phase or what have you. Even though they spent some standardization across contracts. I still still think having an advocate. Who can look at the market and really help a player especially young players understand sort of where they fit in the hierarchy of baseball players? This is really useful though. I think you're right. That more in you know agencies do more and more for their clients in terms of helping them manage you know figure out how to manage their wealth and invested so that it can perpetuate pass their career so there there are a lot of different things that that agents will do that. I think could be appealing depending on what matters to the To the player but I do think that they serve as a really while hopefully. They're doing their jobs while they serve as a really useful reality check one way or the other to say like like no. That's a bad deal just because like you're excited that you're about to be twenty two and have you know five million dollars. You should hold out for more because you're such a good baseball player rates so I think that's where really like Ozzy Ozzy especially different guy right or whomever I don't know I don't know who it was but we're not. We're not pleased. Yeah it's it. It reminds me of that Phil. Birnbaum Line Yuqin gain more by not being stupid than you do by being smart. Maybe it's analogous to major league managers for instance where it's like. Yeah there's probably some benefit to having a really good one versus of just very good or good one but what you really don't want to do is just have a disastrous one and so with an agent probably. I believe most agents are going to get you at deal. That's in roughly the same range right. If you have like an incompetent agent or maybe an agent to who doesn't have a lot of clients and just really needs to get a deal done so that they can make some money and so they are not necessarily going to have your best interests at heart because they have to make payroll at their agency or whatever so that yeah I think probably avoiding undervaluing yourself. Dramatically is probably more valuable than going from you know two hundred fifty million to two hundred seventy five million or something if it's even that big difference. Yeah it's you look at your like you now. I'm sure any not anyone but I'm sure any reasonably talented agent could have Gotten Garrett Cole Bench in Miami I think so probably yes. I don't know that every agent could have gotten Eric hosmer his deal. You know maybe now. Sorry Dave Alright. Let's end with a step west. I have a quick step last litter. Take take data It's all right. This comes from Dennis in. He says I was wondering whether we know who the two most similar players in. MLB history are. According to Bill James Has Similarity score baseball. Reference does list the most statistically unique players of all time Pete rose leads all hitters and cy young leads all pitchers and by age but does not list the opposite. Is there any pair of players with over a thousand innings pitch or three thousand plate appearances. Who have perfect similarity? He scores of one thousand. If so. How many such pairs are there? If not how many more seasons of baseball we have to play before this comes true and I got this data from. Dan Hirsch the wonderful thin Hirsch of baseball reference. And I will pace this into Google sheet. So you can all assorted and check it out to your heart's content. But Dan sent me the top ten thousand most similar pairs with Dennis's genesis specifications here thousand innings and six thousand plate appearances. And this is not that interesting to talk about because The players who are the most similar are not really all that notable. That'd be nice if they were but That doesn't tend to be the case so Dan does mention that in bill. James's book whatever happened to the Hall of fame that was when he introduced similarity scores and James mentioned in that book that Andre Thornton and John Mayberry mayberry senior were the most similar batters and Dan says twenty four years later they are still the most similar better if we set the minimum at six thousand plate appearances and they have a nine sixty four point eight similarity score out of one thousand and you can do a career comparison at baseball reference and match up to players and it's pretty striking with those two mayberry and Thornton they were contemporaries and similarity scores. There's as Bill James does them. They're based on sort of like basic stats that you have for all of baseball history and it does take into account position but it's also playing time and your basic box score stats and so if you look at Mary Thornton like they played mayberry very was at sixteen hundred twenty games. Thornton was it fifteen hundred sixty five games. They were separated by less than two hundred plate. Appearances mayberry abry had two hundred fifty five homers Thornton had two hundred fifty three homers. There was twelve points apart. They're up yes plus was identical. Will one twenty three there were totals and war is not part of similarity score. But if you're very similar everything else he will tend to have pretty be similar worse and their wars are point. Seven wins apart so those guys are almost identical players and if if you use Dennis's criteria of a thousand innings pitched or three thousand plate appearances again not names that really you jump off the page the most similar batters are Ed Herman and George Bitter Wild they have a severity score of nine. Seventy nine point nine and so that's as close as you get to the perfect one thousand and if you go with the innings thousand innings thin. It's Ivy Andrus. Druzes and Randy Comfort probably not household names but yet they are at ninety eight point three. So that's that's pretty close. It looks like the most similar pitchers are more similar slightly more similar than the most similar hitters and as Dan notes there are some contemporary players. Who are pretty? Close the top like the third most similar tandem right now is Patrick Corbin and Hymie Garcia which You would not necessarily think but of course this will change because Patrick Corbin is still active and so he will change his crew totals and I made Garcia will not well you never know at a water rule him out but seems unlikely. But you also have Mike Minor and high may Garcia Are also pretty close to the top. I don't know what it is about timing Garcia and just scanning for names that I know are recognized now like Sonny Gray and Matt Lehto Sir are very similar gray is still active so anyway it's too so funny similarity scored a body competent mismatch. That's Mr of yeah. So naming the top pairs is Not that entertaining concern. You wish that they were all like hall of Famers who say Oh. They're actually the same but that's not really the case but I will put all of this online for people who are interested and That can prove list of see if it accords with their positions so fun data. Thanks to Dennis for the question and Dan for the data are Danby Swanson. Charlie Culbertson on there are because they are the same person. That's certainly. I don't think this takes into account physical appearance. Fortunately it should would be statistical comps. But that's the it's the same guy. I am convinced one person moving back and forth very very quickly early in the braves dugout and now the Culbertson has been delayed. I think he just cease to exist. I think he is no more sorry. Yeah I don't have Co Curson at least on the spreadsheet. He has the minimum playing time that he needs but he's been busy being dense be Swanson then. That's why looking at his most the players on his message. I do not see dense Persson's page so let's earlier a bug in the system. A glitch in the Matrix is what it is. Yep Yep all right well. I think we're done were there. Were there any transactions that you wanted to even like out just to say. Hey that was cool. Talk Doc lasted the I will say like as we were talking about before we talked. The raise reportedly have signed Yoshitomo Suco from Japan which is pretty cool suit. Sukkoth is a twenty eight year old outfielder mostly and he has has been a slugger over there. I don't know how well the power will translate. But he is also been a very good on the sky and not a great defender He. He has pretty subpar defensive ratings according to Sports Info solutions and also defensive reputation but he's played left. He's played third. He's played I. Maybe the rays can move him around and evidently they worked him out in person and liked what they saw. But I was like that when we get a fresh face and established player with an impressive track record from overseas so he has say ten year career in the PB with Yokohama and quite an accomplished accomplished one so I was interested and curious to see how that translates but he's got two hundred five career diggers in those tendencies and set for to get. Yeah when I'm He he came in at forty two on our top fifty free agent posts in one. Eric was doing some sourcing so we could get a better sense of him. Folks indicated needed to Eric that he is averaging ninety two miles an hour off the bat an empty which would put him in the top thirty among big leaguers by average exit yellow. So yeah we'll have to see how the the power translates but the ROZ relief really impressive. So it's GonNa be fun to see that all these always lefties on the on the race raise lefties so yeah no. I didn't I didn't really have any. I didn't really have any other ones. I'm still tried. Tried to put in long term memory. The guys who moved around while I was on vacation. So Yeah Brett Gardner back with the act of the Yankees Santa Rosa. That's nice. I like record yet I would wanNA share dugout with him necessarily have certainly not. I would not want to sit above where he is sitting in the dugout but he is a really good player over a very long time. He's going to be someone who when he retires. People will look back and say that Brett Gardner Guy he was. He was really good often overshadowed by much higher profile players. But he is sort of a uh he's the steadfast stalwart Jackie over the past ten plus years now and he's generally been very good and reliable and durable. Yeah he's definitely only gonNA be one of those ones where when his when the book is closed in his career. War comes up. You're going to be like wow all right. I looked just now thirty career career whereby all right pretty good breed. I believe he's at forty baseball. Reference already forty six. Oh Oh boy all right. We've had a busy week. I think we can release ourselves from our obligation. I agree. Enjoy your star wars. Thank you talk to you next week next week. All right that will do it for today in for this week. Thank you for listening. 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FDA Recalls Zantac, Due to Probable Carcinogen Ingredient

Business Wars Daily

07:45 min | 1 year ago

FDA Recalls Zantac, Due to Probable Carcinogen Ingredient

"With centro online from Pitney bowes you can quickly and easily print postage stamps and shipping labels even when working remotely experience a savings in your shipping costs with a free trial of central online when you visit. Pba DOT com slash B W daily from wondering. I'm David Brown. And this is business wars daily on this Thursday April second. You know. It's easy to be lulled into feeling. The only news is corona virus news right. It's particularly easy to imagine. There's no other health related news. Well today story is a reminder that all the regular problems of life continue regardless of pandemics unemployment and supply shortages yesterday the FDA recall the wildly popular Harper Drug Zantac and it's generic version called renovating effective immediately. That means for most of you Harper and sufferers. Stop taking it. Now it's dangerous. Because rendon contains a probable carcinogen called India may now India may is an industrial byproduct created during the manufacturing process. It also appears cured meats which is why experts say that. Eating LOADS OF BACON AND HOT DOGS CAN BE RISKY. Bloomberg reports the publication also says that in years past India may was an ingredient in rocket fuel. How exactly what you expect to show up in your heartburn medicine the FDA yesterday said that in new batches of renew detain tests showed that India may may appear at acceptable levels however Indiana and possibly renting itself is unstable even when the drug store at optimum conditions levels of India may increase over time and when stored at higher than room temperature over time. Well those levels can escalate exponentially that old. Zantac at the back of your medicine cabinet. Thinking it's unsafe Zantac generic versions are among the best selling medicines. In the world. The heartburn medicine sold over the counter and in prescription for him for everyone from infants to the elderly. In two thousand eighteen. Doctors wrote more than twenty. Five million prescriptions for it according to Bloomberg intelligence now hold on you may be saying. Dan Tack recalled last fall. Well kind of seat last October. We brought the news at CVS. Walgreens rite aid and Walmart had voluntarily pulled remitting from their shelves. They did that because an online pharmacy called. Vallis Scher had tested batches of Zantac and generics and found India may at high levels regardless of the supplier. The FDA says it's reasonably safe to ingest slightly less than one microgram that's one millionth of a gram of stuff per day. Valla Shire's tests found more than three thousand micrograms of India may per tablet now on September. Night Valez your petitioned the FDA recall it and to do more intensive testing it asked the World Health Organization to classify remitting the drug. Not simply the Indiana found in it as a probable carcinogen but the FDA did not recall renovating it did test. Zantac made by French drug maker. Sanofi and the generics to the FDA found India may in every version but unlike valor the agency said the levels detected. Were so low that quoting here. They barely exceed amounts. You might expect to find in common foods. Still following that announcement. The company's making generic Zantac including Novartis and appetites recall their drugs and several European countries. Also curtailed sales Sanofi kept selling it in September plaintiffs filed a class action lawsuit against the Novi and earlier producer of Zantac. The suit claims that the drug makers purposely concealed harmful levels of India may from consumers then in October the FDA changed its tune according to the trade publication fierce Pharma as of Early October. Following what the agency called early limited testing the FDA said there were unacceptable levels of India may in renovated him but the agency still did not request a recall. In fact it wasn't until October eighteenth a month after generic maker Novartis recalled its drugs. That's the Novi voluntarily recalled Zantac over the counter products since then more plaintiffs have filed lawsuits against makers of heartburn medicines containing rigetti both Senno Zantac and makers of generics. The Online Pharmacy Valley is researching the long term effects of taking renovating that remains very concerning to CEO. David Light Tobin York Times. So what do you do? If you're a heartburn sufferer well the FDA found no India may and other kinds of heartburn medicines including the big brands nexium prior Lasek peps it and Tagamet. Of course some of those drugs come with their own long term side effects causing some chronic sufferers to wonder just what they can safely take yesterday the FDA said patients taking prescription forms of reneging should ask their doctors for advice before stopping the medicine. But as long as you are getting rid of those old medicines follow the FDA guidelines or the directions on the box to dispose of them safely. The agency says in the meantime Bloomberg points out that this recall is evidence of a larger issue the insecurities of the global pharmaceutical supply chain about eighty percent of generic drugs or made in Chinese and Indian factories since two thousand sixteen the FDA's overseas inspections have been steadily declining while approvals of new generics have been escalating reportedly the FDA now inspects less than one percent of the drugs made overseas last September Bloomberg reported that the American Medical Association would investigate over the following year. Whether the American drug supply should be better protected but then on March tenth with the Corona Virus Pandemic the FDA announced that it would cease all overseas inspections of food drugs medical devices through April. This isn't the end of the string. I'm wondering this is business daily. We certainly hope you're staying safe and healthy. Thanks for listening. I'm David Brown. We'll see you tomorrow working remotely with San Pro online from Pitney. Bowes you can easily print postage stamps and shipping labels. It couldn't be more convenient especially when you're trying to avoid unnecessary trips to the post office for as low as four dollars and ninety nine cents a month you'll get access to special discounts and save up to forty percents off. Usps priority mail plus for being a listener of business wars daily. You'll receive a free thirty day trial to get started and a free ten pounds scale to make sure you never overpay with central online. 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Detour To Neverland - Episode 78 | Marnie from Main Street Tourist on Overcoming Obstacles and Staying True to a Vision

Detour To Neverland

59:43 min | 2 years ago

Detour To Neverland - Episode 78 | Marnie from Main Street Tourist on Overcoming Obstacles and Staying True to a Vision

"Welcome to detour to Neverland your guide to living your best Disney life through your hobby or business. Here's your host, Brendan and Catherine. Welcome back to detour to Neverland today. We have episode number seventy eight and we want to kick start everything by announcing our winner from last week's giveaway of the beautiful pair of ears from isn't it neat boutique, so drum roll Rendon? Our winner is Sammy Kaye S fourteen from Instagram. So Sam thank you so much for listening and thank you to everybody who entered and screen shot that you're listening to us. We loved seeing that. And we love your support says Sam will be in contact with you probably right now. So that we can let you know how to get your ears. So if anybody's listening, and this is your first episode, and we didn't and you didn't join us last week or doing a we hit ten thousand downloads recently. So we're doing ten episodes of giveaways partnering with some of the shops that we interviewed in the past. So all you have to do to enter is take a screen shot of you listening and either share that somewhere in social media or send it to us on social media and you'll be entered into win any of our drawings. So the way we're going to do it if you entered on last episodes give away your name is still in the hat. So we'd love if you send in more screen shots of you listening. Increase your odds for sure, but for the next ten episodes your name will be in the hat, and hopefully you can win some of this. Awesome stuff. So our giveaway item today goes along with the story of how we met Marnie who is our guest. So Terry wheel in you might remember him back, and we interviewed him about his book. What the magic means, Catherine. I I've read it. I think twice we've marked it up. It's really become such an essential tool for us to try to get to where we wanna go with our Disney project. So we wanna share a copy with that for you Terry has been gracious enough to give a signed copy that we're gonna share with you. So if you want to win that just send us in a screen shot of you listening to the podcast, and we will announce that in episode seventy nine on Thursday. Yeah. So like Brennan said today, our guest is Marnie and she runs mainstreet tourist you can find her at the main. Street tourists dot com. So Marnie we are so excited to have you today and learn about all the different projects that you're involved in. So if you could just start off by introducing yourself and introducing mainstreet tourist for those who might not be familiar with it. Sure will thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it. As Brennan said. My name is is Marnie I am the owner of main street Torres dot com. Essentially, what this website does is provide planning, tools and news and resources and tips and tricks for planning your Walt Disney World vacation I also provide all of that information out on all of my social feeds at Brandon just mentioned as well. So I'm becoming known for my main street tourist tip of the day on Facebook and Instagram in again, all of the social networks. So it's it's been a fun journey to this point for sure. So before we get into. To that journey in the Disney side of your story. First off we just wanna hear about you and your background. Sure. Well, I live in New Jersey in north new north New Jersey about twenty thirty minutes outside of New York City. I my day job. I am a pharmaceutical compliance vendor logistics Hurson, I've been in the pharmaceutical industry for twenty two years. So I mainly and like I said in compliance communications training. And so that's what I do my day job. I have a precious little kitty many mouse that I adore to bits and pieces. I have a wonderful niece and nephew that. I just adore to death. And yeah, I've I've a best friend of twenty years who I traveled to DisneyWorld with all of the time. And if I'm not in DisneyWorld with her than we are in the city, exploring, new wine, courses or. New dining options. There's always something fun to do in the city. So that's just a little about me. I I gosh, we also have a cat named mini. That is Asom. When I actually adopted her her name was many, I didn't name her that. So I just felt like it was meant to be I had to have her because of her name. So she was about three years old when I adopted her in she's probably the best thing I ever did. So I've got to ask what color she she's a tabby. So she's mainly like chocolate Brown. She's got some black. She's got this cute. Little white like strip down the front of her nose. So, but yes, she's mostly Brown. And black are army is all black little little biddy spots of white. But people always talk about on our social media that we never share anything about her in its because if you try to take a picture of her all you see are just like to floating yellow. Shanta, black, blah. He can't make out what the cat actually looks like. I can relate to that. My mother actually has a black cat, and she'll send me a picture. And I'm like, well, what am I looking at? I I can't see I can't even see your face, especially for is closed. That's super cute so moving on into Disney, which is such obviously a big part of your life in in all of ours. I think who are involved in the podcast kind of what is your Disney story, and how has that evolved over time to develop into this passion shore while I think like most people it starts young so mine probably started right out of the womb? That's how young I was just Disney movies. Disney television, wonderful world of Disney. I remember at a very young age early eighties. You know, begging, my mother for the Disney channel on television. Is that it was a premium channel like HBO is today. So I remember begging her, you know, to get it. So I could watch Saturday morning cartoons in Mauser size. All those things that used to be on the Disney channel my first trip to DisneyWorld was in nineteen eighty four. With my family. So you know, that was super significant, and I remember almost every single step. I took in the magic kingdom in any Epcot. Of course at that point. It was just those two parks, and it's it's really volved over time. I mean, it was something that. Impress upon upon me right from the start, and it's just continue to evolve end grow exponentially over the years. And I think now I'm even more crazy about it than I ever been. And which is obviously what's prompted me to you know, to tackle something like main street, Taurus. But you know, and I think as as gotten older, I appreciate different things about it than I even did as a kid. I appreciate really what Walt built and his perseverance and his creativity his tenacity. And until the park means more to me than just, you know, the attractions and the food, and I mean, all those things are obviously wonderful. But you know, when I walk in see that castle to me that means, you know, I think about Walt and in his dream, and and I think about my dreams, and it just inspires me so much so. It you know, it definitely has evolved over time. That's a bit of my my story. Yeah. And I definitely think that something that most people especially us can relate to in looking at the parks in different lights, whether it's just gone with different people or just like appreciating like you said like waltz in what he built a definitely think that that's something that we can all kind of relate to absolutely it is interesting when you go to the parks with different different people, either different friends or different family members. You know, I've been I I do predominantly go as I mentioned in my intro with with my best friend, but I've I've been with with my family and my sister separately in in my mom, and I have started a little tradition over the last several years of of taking a week. You know, actually were coming up about a month out from from another vacation in may. So what is fun when you go with different people to get their perspective on it. And. And just see their faces when they see certain things, and it's it's really cool. I think kind of that view of the park is what we strive for like, our friends and our family to see it in that way. Like, that's like the biggest thing that we try to do now. 'cause people say like will you road space mountain a hundred times like how can it still be fun? Like what will a because it's like the best rollercoaster of all time. But be like there's more to it than the attractions. Like, we went to Epcot over Christmas with the crazy crowds didn't get on a single traction the entire day in we had an absolute blast. And it's just like that mindset of getting people to click in see that. It's so much more that it is the inspiration that you can get in the clarity and things like that. So I I wish there was a way to bottle that up in just like directly chairman somebody. It would not be amazing. I think what I've heard what the feedback that. I received over the years is even people friends coworkers that maybe don't have the same level of Hashim at I do four it or maybe not at all. Because I am so excited about it. And the way I presented. People have said to me you have brought me on board. Because now I wanna go to Disney because of your passion in your excitement for it. And so that's really cool to hear. Because I I'm never quite about it. However, I can insert Disney into a conversation. I will. And if I can turn the conversation into that. I will do that. And yeah, I mean, it just I think it has a lot to do with with the passion that we have and people seem to be attracted to that in through that get excited for it. And that's the fun part about it. Yeah. I think that's such you know, compliment to everything that you're doing with main street tourists in like you like you said your passion for it. How that's able to shine through. So something that we always love to hear about is like the origin story behind main street tourists in how everything kind of came together to start your website. So tell us about that. At sure so I think going back some time I had this vision of planning or creating a website to help guests plan. There Walt Disney World vacation. I mean, my main focus is Walt DisneyWorld I've been out to Disneyland a few times. But I can't say I'm in a real expert with that. So right now, it's focused on Walt DisneyWorld and really the concept has been kinda swirling in my head, quite frankly for almost a decade, and even before or social media became really what it is. Now, it was back in the days where you know, the all ears Ned in WD w Pratt in even Disneyland. Prep in those websites were kind of the go-to places. They were my inspiration. And I never quite I never quite knew how to kind of kick it off the ground. And so in I would say about two years ago. I started. Different blog, and it was really just kind of get my feet wet because I love the creativity in I loved sharing my experiences from going to the parks. So I just started a blog and share it out on on my private social media pages. And I think it really just developed from that I realized I enjoyed writing. And I enjoyed sharing the information in. I realized I I had a voice, and I wanted to be an active participant in the community rather than just a consumer of it. And so I decided I was going to go full throttle and put it all out there, and, you know, took a few months to build the website because I really didn't know the first thing about building a website. So it took a few months to kind of piece it together and pull it together. And and really just kind of went for it. And I put it out there, and it's just been kind of building ever since. So. Yeah. So that's kind of how that all. All worked out. Yeah. That is so awesome. And I definitely think that kind of origin story hits home with us for sure because this was kind of Brendan's baby before I jumped into it all, but you know, one of the big reasons that we wanted to do this. Because like you said we loved the Disney community and we loved like fallen along with other people, but we wanted to take our role as a consumer in turn it into being a content creator ourselves. I think you know, that's a big part of why we got started as well. So I love that kind of start to it. Absolutely. So this may be seems like a generic question. But I do think that can have each of us have the one thing that they're looking for kind of in. It's sort of seems like a buzzword in. I know I'm pressing this question too much. But you kind of what when you started out. What is your goal in mind in has that changed over time? Or is it always been the same thing? It hasn't changed. I think that I've I kind of dabbled in a couple of different things or gone down different paths. Once I started it. But when I really think back to the ultimate foundation in what it was. I wanted to do when I said out that has not changed creating a platform for people to use as a resource in helping them plan. Their vacations is ultimately the goal being able to share my tips and tricks and my guidance advice in reviews from my experiences is still the ultimate goal. I do from time to time. I've you know, I've I've gotten on into the trend of sharing news and information as it gets kind of pumped out from Disney on a daily basis on I will share that from time to time. And you know, but that, but ultimately, I mean, that's all part of. Planning. But ultimately, it's more the tips tricks in guidances that that I'm focused on, you know, it's it's I will admit it's quite difficult. Sometimes I I get a bit frantic. Because I'm at work, you know, during the day, and I'll see some like major news drops. Now. Like, oh my God. I want to write about this. And I want to get this out to the world. But you know, I can't drop everything at work and do that. So you have to kind of find a balance of what works because you know, I do still have the day job when I'm there. I have to commit to that. So you know, I I've kind of tried to balance it with sharing the news. You know, there's so many of us playing in the same sandbox in. So they're they're sharing the news out in sometimes by the time, I get home, and I'm going to share it. I realize it's been shared fifty thousand times over. So you know, I may go down a different go into a different direction in choose to share something else. Instead. I do have my main street tourist tip of the day that kind of happened by happenstance. So it gives me the opportunity to be very active on social media on a daily basis, and you know, interact with the community. And so, you know, that's been a really positive thing for me. Because like I said that that really just kinda came out of me sitting on my couch one night thinking when I you know, I wanna find a way to to get tips out to people without just sort of throwing them all into one blog post. And I thought what if I did like one by one a day and just threw them out there. I wonder like how that would look and yet within a few days adult template created in. I just threw it out there. I, you know, I tested it. And I'm almost two hundred and fifty post later, so I guess it's kinda working people seem to be attracted to it. But yeah, I mean alternately, you know, that's the goal hasn't changed. And I think something that I really enjoy about your website are all the different. I guess ways that you share information. So like you just said the tip of the day. I think that's something. That's really unique. You also have your newsletter. Yes. Which obviously takes a lot of time in that's something that I find really interesting. So what made you decide to do a newsletter? So so that's actually. Yeah. That's that's interesting because that allows me to that does allow me to the news of the week. That's happened. So like, I was referencing before it's difficult for me to do that as news drops. Because I'm you know, I'm stuck in my day job. So instead of trying to pump that out through my website or on social media, I decided to create a newsletter and in in that newsletter. I will share sort of a re. Recap of the week's highlights. I will talk about any upcoming refurbishments. I will talk about you know, any upcoming, you know, activities parades things that might be happening at the parks that people should be aware of. I will reiterate my tips from the past five or six days. So I that's kind of where I pull all of that information together. And I send that out every Friday morning at seven thirty and it it's a nice recap from the week. And if anything happened from the week where you know, I've had a personal experience, or, you know, I wanna share my ideas on, you know, something that is relevant to the moment. In the Disney space. You know, there may be a review article or something in there that may prompt some conversation or some thought, but that's that's where the newsletter derived from. I want to start. I know we're jumping all over the place. But the tip of the day to me is something that I get so much value out of because I really wanna hit home for our listeners is that it's not like, you're surface level type stuff. Like, it's very well thought out things that you can tell that are from your experiences like for example on your voyage of the little mermaid tip. It's don't sit too close to the state that you can see it better. If you sit further back or I saw the tower of terror one about where to position yourself to be able to get out of the room, the fastest like, those are so many things that are helpful to people who are visiting for the first time in the time is so valuable in the way, your experience things are so valuable that, you know, those tips in little things you can shave a little bit of time off experienced something a little more immersive than you would have. Otherwise are the perfect way to help people in. Their vacations better. Well, thank you so much for that. I appreciate that. Yeah. And I mean, that's exactly what it is that they've they've all come from personal experiences. I mean, I have sat close to the stage in a little voyage of the little mermaid, and you know, I'm in a dull, I'm I'm forty two years old. But I can see the puppeteers in unlike what I don't wanna see the puppeteers. I wanna I you know, that's still a visual that. I want to be sort of in his fantasy space. So I thought the next time we're gonna sit further back. So that, you know, you don't see them as closely. So those kinds of things it's the same with the haunted mansion, you know, when you're in the haunted mansion stand under the girl with the umbrella. That's where your is going to open. So it's those same types of of experiences that I've had that I want people to I want people to know I wanna share so that they can benefit from that as well. I mean, I'd I'd have friends out probably about two years ago. So is even before main street, Taurus was launched and she had reached out to me, and she was hadn't been to magic kingdom in a longtime. She knew they had moved Dumbo and her from it from her young age, but was very very important to her and she wanted to ride Dumbo. And so she had eaten a co worker. She had e mails me. She said all right. I don't know where Dumbo is now because they moved it you need to map this out for me. Tell me exactly where I need to go. And what I need to do. Because that's the first thing. I wanna do when I get into magic kingdom, and I I wanna make a beeline for it. And so I did I like mapped out the entire thing for her. And she text me while she was there after she wrote the ride she was like, whatever time magic kingdom open. It was nine o'clock is like fifteen twenty minutes later. She's like perfect. I got there. I got on the ride done. This was like the best day of my life. Those are the kinds of things I wanna provide for people. And that's that's what I try to do through my tips as well. Because those little things make such a difference and could set the tone for the whole day. I just get so funny. I don't even know if you realize this last time, Catherine, but when we went into haunted mansion, of course, we knew where to go stand to get out the quickest in there there was like another party of people that were shuffling in right next to us if we didn't say anything, but like we locked eyes is like come here often. So it's great that other people can pick up on those things and get those little advantages that people who go quite often are able to take advantage of. Absolutely. And it really can you know? I mean, they're little simple things what they can shave off time in your day in and time is of the essence when you're at Walt DisneyWorld, especially if you're there during peak time in it's very crowded, you, you know, you wanna have those little like one ups on other people. So that you can navigate your way through something in save time. Save money, whatever the case might be. So it's it's nice. I have a couple of followers actually on Instagram who have reached out to me and said, you know, I'm heading to DisneyWorld in x amount of months. I'm saving your tips as you're posting them because I'm gonna use them when I'm there, and I'm like, okay. That's the coolest thing ever. 'cause that that's the whole point. That's the whole point. That's why I love what I do. Absolutely. So the next thing I wanted to chat about with you were kind of lesson. So now that you've been at this for a little while let's start with kind of any low points or any misconceptions that you had about starting a website in a newsletter in in jumping into it in kind of the the lessons that you've learned out of any of those points. It's a little bit harder than I thought it not in a bad way. But we'll all take for example, a creating my website. I mean, I really had to learn the ins announce of you know, I was so focused on the content and creating night in writing blogs and all of that. And I had a kind of put that aside for a little bit because I had to focus on building the actual structure of the website. And I couldn't I couldn't do anything until that part was done. So or I would build something in add content to it. And then, you know, down the road realize, oh, you know, I didn't know step. You know, nine ten in eleven would have been helpful three weeks ago. Now, you have to kind of go back and shift things because something broke or something's not working, right or whatever. So building a websites a little bit more challenging than I. I thought. In. I think the other lesson learned is social media is such a commitment. I didn't realize how much so to really sort of beat consistent staying gauged. You know, you obviously you wanna be posting as frequently as possible. I don't think I really understood until I was full on in it as a, you know, as a as a blogger as an all say, I'll say this loosely, but as an influence or. That you have to that. It takes much time. You know, I've been on these things on a personal level. So I'd personal face of Facebook page in personal Instagram account that was private in. You know, you go on it every now, and then or you scroll through and then you put the phone down and you walk away. This is a whole different ballgame. So, you know, when people comment you want to be able to comment back in, you know, have that dialogue in. So it's it's a lot more intense than I thought it would be it's fun. Don't get me wrong. I I enjoy it. It's a challenge. But it's definitely a lot more commitment than I thought. It would be initially certainly I think we were one hundred percent guilty of that as well that you have this big grand idea, you're in the process of launching it in you do realize that there's a lot of hard work in long nights and grinding it out to get to where you wanna go. And I think that it's so important to keep that perseverance in keep that big ultimate goal. In mind to get you through those times to realize that it's that it's not all for nothing in that. You're building something that's so much bigger than you can imagine in that moment of trying to gain that next follower. Trying to get that extra like. Absolutely without a doubt. And I think for me that was they were a few moments as I was building it where I recognized like. Yeah. This is this is where I'm meant to be. This is what I meant to do because of the perseverance like you said and the commitment to it. Because if I buy wasn't all that into it. Or if it was just kind of like, a, you know side fun thing to do. I probably wouldn't have stuck with it the way I did because you're right. It is very long nights. Sometimes I look up, and it would be, you know, one o'clock in the morning in go. My goodness. I have to get up for five o'clock, I go to work. It's time to go to bed. But, you know, it's exciting at the same time because you know, little wins along the way and things that were challenging turn out to be, you know, like, you you you get through it, and you figure it out in. So those kinds of things are fun. I love that. You just mentioned would a wins. Because that's something that I think me, and Brendan are big fans of, you know, obviously, we have like these big goals in you know, we're always trying to build what we're doing. And I think it's always very important to stop. And like appreciate where you're at in like what has gotten to this point? And also like, you know, what is going on right now that we can appreciate her. What something you know, that we've improved on? So I guess our next question for you would be what are some of your winds up to this point? Well, I we've talked about it quite a bit throughout the show. But certainly the the tip of the day has been a win for me. That was something that really was never planned on the outset of all of this. And kinda happened in has been really a big success for me. And I think sort of has had appointed me into. Sorta just becoming who I am who mainstreet tourist is is known for certainly on the social platforms. I think you know, one of the other through that I've been able to build, you know, my followers on Instagram and on Facebook in certainly on Pinterest. That was actually that was very surprising to me. I think my two biggest social platforms right now, our Instagram Pinterest. And so I would I would consider kind of pinch a win. Because I'm I'm getting hits from that. And I didn't expect it. So you know, that was just another social channel that I can I can use to share and and people have been responding to it. So I'm and I think, you know, I think my my newsletter has been a win for me because I think people enjoy it and appreciate it. And I know people are sharing it out in. I think just. Just little things that I'm doing with the website. I actually recently changed the platform of my website. I was using wicks. The now, I've changed WordPress. So I'm still fixing some of it. I have most of it done in completed. But you know, so that that was a win for me as well in in changing the platforms so little things along the way. But you're right. You're right about kind of stopping and assessing because I have a tendency to just kind of look ahead, and I don't stop and see what I've done, and I don't have a tendency sometimes not to give myself enough credit for what I've done because I'm so busy working or thinking about what's next and it's important though to do that. You may have a completely different kind of idea of what got you there. But when I hear that story, really, I think the lessons to be learned that are so important or that you're very nimble in your open to change in opening new doors that like you said, you you never planned to do Pinterest. And you never plan to do the tip of the day. And just seeing those things how they pop up in not being closed minded to say, no that's not part of the vision. That's not part of the original business plan. But exploring those things in trying new things out I think it is such a win and such an advantage to to getting to that ultimate goal. Well, thank you. I I do I do agree. I think it's part of I think it's part of the process in. I I think you're right. I think it's something that if anybody takes away anything from this today, it's it's probably that if you're setting out on. You know, something like this to be a blogger or even if it's just focused solely on on social platforms in you're not necessarily going to have a website. I think it's important to kind of pay attention to the direction that things were going because just because you may have an idea or you want to push something in a certain direction, it it may not work in it may not be in your favor. And if something else is presenting itself in front of you go for it because it may be the best most profitable experience or thing you ever did. So you sometimes we don't plan for these things you just kind of fall into it. You know, I think there's some there's some strategy that leads up to it because you're obviously attempting to do something. But ultimately, if you fall into something that's working for you. Keep doing it. Just keep doing it. Absolutely. I love that. And I love everything you've shared up to this point. I think that origin story in talking through kind of how you got up to this point is so interesting so valuable for listeners to hear but enough business now gotta talk Disney. We've gotta learn more about your Disney fandom will jump into our fast passed round. And we'll just kinda throughout these topics. You can just kind of the first thing that comes to your mind. And so the first question is just named the Disney parks that you visited. So right now, it's Walt DisneyWorld and Disneyland I've been to Disneyland four times. So DisneyWorld, I'm not even sure how many? So of those six individual parts, which one is your favorite in. Why? Oh, boy, sometimes it's different answer on a different day. But today, I'm going with magic kingdom and for me. It's just that grand Pasol at the end of main street. I talked a little bit earlier in in the show about what that means for me. And just when I walk, you know, under the train trestle in onto main street, I still get goosebumps. So it's it's definitely magic kingdom. So the next one kind of goes with that. But what is your Disney bucket list trip? Tokyo, all the way Tokyo. About tokyo. Join the club. I hear that a lot Tokyo seems to be on the top of a lot of people's bucket list. It just looks incredible. They just look like it looks at damning credible attraction state of the art like it, even just a little souvenirs in charge fees that they have like it, everything is just super cute and looks fabulous. So it's definitely high on the list. I think of all the parks that's the one I would want to. I don't know what I'm going to get to Tokyo that super huge trip. But it's definitely of all the parks. The when I want to go to the most. Hopefully, we'll meet you there. That'd be awesome. So next one would be your favorite Disney resort. And it doesn't necessarily have to be one that you've stayed at. Will I man? I am going to go with the wilderness lodge. I love the wilderness. It's close one though because I love the contemporary too. But I just love the coziness and just feeling the warm feeling that you get when you walk into the wilderness lodge. So that would be my favorite. Visit wilderness lodge. We haven't been there so long so long. It's so beautiful. And I haven't been there during the holidays because I understand it's even better during the holidays with the Christmas tree in lobbying all of that. So one of these days I'd like to see it around Christmas time, but it's it's still beautiful. I was there spent year and a half ago. It was wonderful really enjoyed it. The only downside is, you know, the the contemporary in the Polynesian because you have the monorail right there. So that's always a plus. So I love those for that. But yeah, the wilderness is fabulous. All about the feeling will exactly I was gonna say, Catherine. You're like the biggest Disney ferryboat hater of all time. I don't know if you can handle it. I know I just I don't know what it is about Disney. But I'm like go go go kind of person like it's very hard for me to just stop in Schill to sit on a ferry boat for thirty minutes. You sound so much like me. I don't like what this is gonna sound so bane. I don't like what it does to my hair 'cause you're out out on the water in an I I look like The Lion King because by the time I get to the actual park. I was like, oh, dear what happened? But yet. No, I'm not a big fan of the of the very boats either they go too slow for me as well. It, you know, the buses obviously have the bus service, which is fine. But having stayed at the contemporary end, the Polynesian end, you know, having the monorail right there. I mean, you you almost can't beat that the leader. So it's really hard to choose. So our next question if you could only fast pass one ride for the rest of your life, which one would it be? I'm gonna have to go flight a passage. It's it just blows my mind not ride. So I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to say played a passage. I can agree with that one. What is the longest that you've ever waited to ride light a passage ninety minutes was the longest bad. No, it wasn't that bad. I actually it was last may went with my mom. She hadn't she hadn't been on flight a passage yet. I I was lucky enough to have was on before that. So we had a fast password earlier in the day. And amid she she just blew her mind. Her head came off Herschel shoulder. She was so cited over it. And I've never seen my mom. She's she's super cool. And she she loves she doesn't love Disney like me, but she likes Disney in. So we have a great time. When we go which she doesn't get like overly like excited. Over this like she was so excited over this. So later on in the evening the line had gone down to ninety minutes. So she was like we have to get on it. And I'm like, really you're gonna wait ninety minutes. She's half too. So yeah, it was ninety minutes and actually was cool because it was late in the evening by the time. We came out the park was closed. So we kinda got to wander around a bit with really nobody around. So I got some cool pictures of the tree alive in things like that. So that was really neat to. The only time I've read it. We it said ninety minutes for we waited way, more definitely over. Sure. Well, they had with we still don't know what it was. But they started running at half capacity. Also, I think maybe someone got sick or something. We don't know about a worker told us because you're like, okay. Like what's going on our? Here's our tip of the day. Make friends if possible with the people around you in the in the queue because that made it so much more enjoyable 'cause the two moms in front of us were hilarious. Hey, man is awesome. That is such a great tip. And you're absolutely right. Absolutely. Right. I we have I have met some of the coolest people just by chitchatting while waiting for a ride. It really is cool. Normally, we're not the people to do that. But. When you're stuck with someone for two hours. So I feel like it's inevitable. Your chat. Yeah, I'm chatterbox. I will chat with anyone. I know my best friend. Sometimes we go were. And she just like she'll roll her eyes because she is not that way. She'll just stand silent forever. In me. I'm like, hey, guys. How you doing always jotting with someone? So she kind of makes fun of me. But that's how you make friends. Andrea. So next one sticking with tractions, which ride or attraction, do you think is due for an exit or refurbishment from the parks? I'll put question I think the speedway into Marsland. Yeah. I think that one is due. Just get rid of it or fix it up a bit. I think fix it up a bit. You know, there's so much nostalgia. Because it's been there for so long. I think they can speed it up. A lotta wave knows call the speedway speed it up a little bit. I mean, honestly, I haven't been on that since I was like ten years old, quite frankly. But it's not something that I would go on now. But I I think it would be like a fun. Maybe like wreck it Ralph or cars like you can do like vanilla bees like, you know, candy carts, or whatever she drives anon or you could you know, do cars. I know they got the whole car seen going on in Hollywood studio. So I don't know if they would introduce that imagine kingdom. But yeah, I think there's some really cool things they could do with that. We've been on a streak of some controversial answers to this question. But this way this one I am a hundred percent in on. Yeah. This is a I think your ideas, I really good to you should be like an imaginary. The vanilla thing. Could be a good one. It would be super q. Right. If you'll shower, and yeah, I think that'd be that'd be man. I would love to be in imagine near rock, epi. Thanks for the compliment. With my one idea. The other. I think I read it on Twitter somewhere. Someone said that tesla should sponsor it in like all electric, and they would fit the Tomorrowland theme a little bit. I probably just because I'm like tesla fan boy. But every time we pass it. He's like did you see that? Did you see that? Do you own one? Oh, heck, no. I think though that would be such an awesome idea. 'cause I think that's kind of what all of Tomorrowland needs. Just kind of like pick me up. I think a lot of the attractive space mountain carousel of progress. Like I adore those rides. Like, I hope old as it is. I hope nothing ever happens to the carousel progress. Because it just needs to stay the way it, that's my opinion because of the nostalgia of it. But there are other things in Tomorrowland at I I just think need a little bit of oath an I mean, something like someone like tesla coming in there and kind of sponsoring it in. They can do a lot with that. For sure so cool. See we could put her whole proposal together we walk in you never know happen. If we got an ABC plan. Actually. They're a plan will be the walks out the door. Probably so. But we'll drop them a card for main street tourists in Detroit in everyone on the way out. And hopefully that'll be our our parting gift the story. That's right. Don't forget us guys. So these next couple of questions are our favorites. But what is your favorite snack or go to snack? I'm kinda simple. It's a Mickey pretzel. I love my Mickey Brussels all day long, any cheese or mustard or any other kind of dipping sauce or just straight pretzel. All in on the mustard. I'm a mustard kinda girl. So yeah, I just love my Maki practice. Those are hard to be. Yup. So salty. So sticking with food next would be your favorite table service in favorite quick service restaurants. That's a really good question. There's so many to choose from table service. The first one that comes to mind is. Actually as Yakin yeti in animal Kingdom, I really really like Yakin Yati and required service. Simple again. I love the Columbia harbor house in magic kingdom this promotes Catherine. Oh my goodness. I hard time because he would eat Columbia harbor house like every day of the trip all meals, he loves it. So me. Give some chicken fried fish fried shrimp. Everything you could ever need airs. Exactly there is something about that fried chicken. It's like, I'm it's it's addictive. Like a drug. I love it. So good. The next one would be your favorite character. Meet and greet moment. That's a really good question. You know, I I haven't done like a meet and greet in really really long time. I've done some some dining character dining any think about that for stack. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say probably when I met the beast in. Disneyland was my favorite meet and greet moment. He was out. Gosh, I can't remember it was my first arrest second trip to Disneyland. So we're talking like mid two thousands mbacke, man. Beast was kind of in allusive character a little bit. You saw Bella. You didn't see beast a lot at least for for pictures and bell NBC's were outside of the sleeping beauty castle. And they were taking in. I just I lost. I lost my collected marbles. I thought I was going to like have a heart attack on you know, on the street because speech was out there. So yeah, we stood in line. I got my picture with beasts in actually had asked ballot to step aside that I could picture just I don't know. She was so happy with me. But. I think my other if I could add to that my other favorite is kind of a funny story, I was in cali- in California. I was in California adventure, and we were coming out of buzz lands and really really quiet in the park in flick was kinda just coming to set up, and it was like nobody around. I got really excited for some reason. And I started running towards him. And I do not know what happened, but our heads bang together and his head started kind of wobbling all over the place. And I thought oh my God. He's gonna lose his head. I was like hysterical laughing, and I turn around my best friend like she's on the floor, dying laughing cause I literally thought he was going to lose his head. So that was a funny moment, we talk about that all the time. But I got my picture really fast with him in Iran. I was embarrassed at the same time. Also, I don't think I've ever met beast. I've met him a beer guess Jappie. I guess now that he's there right now. And so as I think your stories a little cooler because he was so rare back then. Yeah, he wasn't in beauty and the beast is my favorite movie of all time. So the fact that he was out there. I just like I said, I I lost my mind. I thought it was going to like pass out. So, you know, I was really excited to see him and yet up until the, you know, to be our guest came along in a now, he's part of you know, the dinner I haven't seen him since. So that was really my only opportunity until now. So yeah, it was really cool. I think you're reading our notes. So the next question. Favorite Disney movie. So of its vision the piece what are some others that are high up on the list? I love tangled. Videon the beauties tangle, let me think of some of the other ones that I love I love Snow White. I love kind of the old white Princess classics. I love the little mermaid that was actually the first animated film. I saw in theaters little mermaid so that one's kinda special to me, you know, I had seen the classics on television or on I guess the Jess back in the eighties. But when we were never really movie family like movie goers. So when little mermaid came out we went to see that. So that was that's probably high on my list trying to think of other Disney movies. I mean, I love the beauty and the beast live action film. I thought they did a wonderful job with that. And. I don't know. I don't know what other routes good. Yeah. How can I how can I drop mine? Any the list? I know my goodness. Know Toy Story about slight there. I mean, all the pictures are fabulous. They're all historical. They I love the Pixar movies because there's so much adult humor in them that I just think it's brilliant the way that they weave that into the into the movies. So not only is a great little kids, but you have the adults laughing too. So Pixar is a Pixar is amazing among them. So kind of sticking with movies. What is your favorite Disney song? Well, if it's if it's from Disney Moby, I'm going to say I see the light from tangled. I just think it's super sweet and super romantic, and I love that song. If it's not from a Disney movie, necessarily, it's happily ever after than the fireworks show at magic kingdom through startups. Odes as innocent, I feel like a lot of people are saying that. It's definitely. Yeah. Catching on at soundtrack. I mean, we've only seen the show once that the music. I remember was very good. It like struck a chord with me right from the start. And I was one of those people that was sad. When wishes was leaving. I made a special trip out to to DisneyWorld right before it ended. So I made sure I saw one more time before they got rid of it, and I was super upset, and I was really worried about what was coming next. And from the moment, I heard happily ever after I was hooked. I just love the whole remnants concept of creating your happily ever after and for everybody. It's different. And it's you know, it's not, you know, there there is no perfect guide for it. It's it's whatever you want it to be. And I just love the message in it. So. Definitely happily ever after I listened to all the time. Like, I'll I'll listen to Disney music on my way to work or on my way, home more on the weekends and happily ever. After is definitely right there on the top of the playlist to watch the show right now. Yeah. Especially as you go through that whole thing. I mean, how could that not be your favorite like? I do that too. I'll watch it on YouTube. Yup. So next one would be your favorite Disney, quote, either from Walt himself or from any of the movies, cool. My favorites Walt quote is the best way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing that is my favorite quote. Yes. I think think that kinda sums up kind of me in building main street tourists in. I you know, I talked about it for quite some time are headed in my head for quite some time. And it was just a matter of stop talking just do it. So, yeah, it's one of my favorite quotes. Yeah. I feel like that's so applicable to anybody starting anything. I also think that quote is funny since I'm a teacher said that quote makes me feel if I in that context. That timing to your work. I'm sure you say that wartimes day than you care to admit. Yeah. Absolutely inside trying again. So this last one is probably a hard one. But it's your favorite, Disney parks memory. I actually I talked about one of them a couple of weeks ago with a friend. So I went to Disney land for the fiftieth anniversary and that was my first time to Disneyland. So walked under the train tracks onto main street. And of course, you catch the glimpse of the of the fire station, you know, with the with the light in the window. And you're just you're immediately. Like, you know, I it's hard to describe sort of the feeling that comes over you. But the fact that that Walt, you know, walked on those streets in and was part of creating had his hands in everything is just a different feeling, but my friend, and I were walking down main street towards the castle. And there was some kind of. Some kind of presentation happening for the fiftieth, and they were on the loudspeakers they were sharing waltz induction speech when Disneyland opened and so here you have like your first time at Disneyland. You're walking down main street, you're feeling all these emotions. And now, you hear waltz voice coming through the loudspeakers, and it it just was an incredible moment. And I I had tears, and I look at my friend in her eyes welled up with tears, and you just kinda new like like that was a moment. So I think for me that really resonates as this probably like super super high on my list is one of my favorite memories. Yasmina say just hearing that that that sounds almost like out of this world like how lucky were you survey there? Right. And we say that all the time because we had no idea that, you know, this was they were doing anything like that at the park again. Disneyland was new to us. I we have to admit or I have to admit for the planner as I am. I, you know, we plan some things, but we didn't plan it like down to the you know, to every single second of the day. So they were things happening on that trip that you know, we just kind of fell into when it was like the best trip, but because of that, but it I mean, you you couldn't plan this any better. It was amazing. Sounds awesome. I thank you so much for sharing that so our very last question something that we asked all of our guests in a chief. You have one piece of pardon guidance that you can give to someone who's looking to jump into this community either as a content creator or maybe they want to create their own products. What would you tell that person? Be authentically you and just do it. I think that's that's a lesson that I have learned throughout all of this. Don't get caught up in what others are doing focus on what you are doing. And it's it's hard it. Trust me is hard. I still it's a battle every day sometimes to to not get distracted by what others are doing. 'cause there's plenty of people who have done this before you in. Now, be plenty of people will will come after you. So just. You know, put your head down and stick with it. And just start just like just be you. I was gonna say if you didn't that is a brilliant answer. But I was gonna say if you didn't have a brilliant answer just listened to that first half of the episode because I feel like. With acceptable answers to that question because I think it's been. So thank you so much for joining us today. One last thing if you could just share for our listeners where all they can connect with you. Sure. Absolutely. So mainstream tourist dot com is my website, and they're you can subscribe and sign up for might weekly newsletter on you can also find me on Pinterest, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook all using a the handle mainstreet tourist. So there again, I I share out, you know, all of my tips and tricks in funding, news and information related to Walt DisneyWorld. So join the party. Absolutely. We'd be remiss if we didn't give a special fed out to Terry Wayland. He connected us, and he's been a huge help to us in the future to you. So thank you Terry for connecting us. Absolutely. Thank you, Terry. Thank you, Gordon, and Catherine is I really enjoyed this. And I appreciate the opportunity to come on here. Share mainstreet tourist with you guys. And it's it's been an honor. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. It was a blast. All right. Well, thanks, guys. Do you like Star Wars? How about marvel how about Disney if you entered guests any of these? We'd love to have you listened to our new podcast kingdom Malkhas. We're just three guys. Check out. News topics and events in the Disney universe. Find us on itunes Spotify, Stitcher or your favorite podcast app. Thank you for listening to detour to Neverland subscribe to the show and leave a review to help more people. Find us follow us on Instagram at detour to Neverland underscore podcast to see are pictures from the parks the euro soon.

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Better Broken Than Whole

Poetry Off The Shelf

1:02:30 hr | 9 months ago

Better Broken Than Whole

"This is poetry off the shelf. I'm Helena routes. Today. Better, broken than whole. Will Harris has lived in London? All his life he was born there went to Catholic school. There wrote his first poems there. It's where he studied and started working and fell in love and all that other stuff it's where he lives today. Then one time he was standing at a stop light in central London waiting to cross the street when the guy next to him launched into a stretch and accidentally hit him. But instead of apologizing this guy got angry. You can't stretch out your arms these days he went without hitting an Asian tourists in the face. What always strikes me when you hear that kind of racism is a certainty in it. This guy did not even hesitate for a second will hairs a person he had never met was an Asian tourist. Will hear US himself meanwhile, whose father is white half British half Dutch and whose mothers ethnically Chinese but from Indonesia has never felt this kind of certainty. She's always find the question who am I. Incredibly Confusing I recently talked to him about his debut collection rendon. In which he allows this confusion to become his guide. Actually. When I was reading your work, there were two questions that seemed to push themselves to four, and those were such large questions that I would love to ask them to you but I'll break them down in smaller parts. The first question is, what is a person? And then the second question is what does this poem? and. So if you can just as them can. Get on Day. No I know that you have your reservations about biography, but I'm still interested in your childhood. Can. You tell me a little bit about the culture of your household like was at a very I don't know loud and boisterous one. was there a lot of storytelling? Was it? Was the news important like sort of what was the culture of Your House? That's a good question. My. Instinctive responses that it wasn't quite any any of those things. Neither of my parents are natural storytellers I was Phil. Deficient compared to other writers who a so good it kind of tanning that family stories into these kind of like you know. Making them of their own becoming a writer. But. So both my parents. Left School. Early. So, various reasons they didn't go to university and they're both intelligent people. But. then. When a lot of books around the house going up though my mom did have this idea that books were important. I remember us to. We had this like man would a catalog might get books from that? Occasionally that was off the books like dictionaries, the summers. And Anthologies they were from quite important things to make us. Yeah those the boost I I go on the on the encyclopedia. But that wasn't which his may be characteristic of a certain kind of fishing Michigan experience I didn't think. My mom wanted to. was overly concerned with passing on Haha Heritage to me. We used to go back to Indonesia quite a bit and then in the late nineties and ninety eight that was. treat to against to. UNFOR- While it was. Pretty dangerous for Chinese Indonesians and this that's been a thing in Indonesia for centuries the in times of. Usually economic strife, the Chinese population of Indonesia's scapegoated. And so my family, we've rolled that point and then we can go back to Japan time my sometimes wonder what my relationship to it would be if that hadn't happened visit, cut it off. But so it meant the my mom was kind of marines in London. And I think they were both quite private people stayed at home law on quite quiet people they kind of let me do my own thing my dad was. He bought and repaired and takes and Seldom Portobello Belo. My mom would be out working so much advertising to school and. I think that idea of working few self is quite a big influence on me. I guess doing things myself. We such things reading things folding my an interest actually when I started writing. And taking more seriously my parents were both released supportive. Wow. Even though it was the kind of unusual coast to take and probably buried them. In terms of the prospects they were both. Supposed to event I think because they had quite. Unconventional careers. They weren't doctors. Lawyers was successful academics or whatever. Expected Footsteps, laid on of COP out. Their. Own. Way. But did your mom do I think I missed that? Associated a variety of different jobs. mainly. Secretarial. intonation she wrote the BBC World. Service in the Asian section. She. Maybe felt like she didn't have a find the things she wanted to do, but she always reemphasize to me how important it was. To Fuller your. Your kind of instincts today. What makes you happy which? Was Already Nice Thing Yeah I was wondering How you see from this distance of adulthood, how you see your childhood self? Are you close to that person? I think like older and actually. Oakland last few years more, I can have closer to that child south. To writing. I feel like maybe when I started doing it as a teenager until my mid twenties writing was a way to kind of suppress my my child. By itself. was. Honestly, quite tortured, purply or quite confused quite sides quite lonely low of the time. And brightening when I started doing it was this kind of A puck it was a way of constructing this kind of show this some this vessel that I could like. escape on. and. So what was the source of your your sadness? I mean. I think oath. Committees say I think a Positive experience of being sad is not having a source. But I guess when I was a child I I've always had a thing about being a self conscious of who was felt quite. Know at home, it might. It was quite destabilizing thing for me when I was young when I started being singled Alan People, ask me what I was from. And I I guess I grew up in quiet. Why area? Roman Catholic. Many Irish school with what many men white kids left. And I think probably had quite a big impact on me. Something netflix talked about. I didn't feel. I didn't think it's something in particular the love. Men Of. Stationed Hurry to destroy dangerous generalize carrying. shame. Well, maybe it's kind of broader experience among people have colored the feeling that you if you don't fall into the standards that your ugly you. In particular thing in Looking Man. Yeah, it was a strange experience men may be reinforced by having. A white father who in some ways? As kind as he was really sensitive to that. temperamentally, he wasn't or was it just the way he was brought up. Well he's very, he's very English in the sense of being. Kind of taciturn. PUTS. More. Focused on actions rather. than. Saying things. He never thought about it as something he had to try and understand his at around and it was so maybe. Beyond his experience may be like of white people have sent generation. Yeah. And did you talk about it with your mom? I did a bit as odor. It was a long time on the the. The thing about. Shane, which is why fell in relation to my appearance. And my my background. was like you don't see it for. Will like if you're able to see it than you're able to have distance that Shane than in some ways. BOUND BY S. Found a way to writes about as I go dry talks about and it was really interesting to and like quite painful and only to hear her own experiences A. Institutional Racism. Times where you now she'd been passed over for. Promotions Work Times colleagues would say things to have people. In the small things. Can Be really scouring over thump period of time yeah. And a what was it like to talk about it? With her because in a sense may again, this is an unfair generalization but I feel like mothers often feel guilty. For any thing that they may have done to cause their child's pain even if the thing that they have done is simply pass on their genes. You know the thing that cannot be helped the fact that people now. Single. You out for racist treatments. Yeah. Did she ever? Feel like somehow this was her fault you know. I mean that could have been behind hung not passing on. Passing. Denuncia to me. She didn't speak the language little words and phrases but. and. Maybe in general not instilling may a sense of Indonesia's because she was worried about my own ability to assimilate into English culture? I that was probably And again that now, looking back on. AIDS. If it was quite over peace with the experience of. Chinese Indonesians Mobile. So I mentioned in ninety eight I was COO and transportation potato in the optimal but then. In the mid sixties when the president of Indonesia Sukarno. was deposed. That was again this witch hunt, of Communist, in Asia, which basically ended up being away tilting Chinese intonations and during that period Granddad was arrested. I. Was imprisoned for while managed to escape they slides Giacosa so I can. When I reflected on still think about that kind of longer. Maybe history make sense the pressure the needs to assimilate. To in and actually in Indonesia Lum's birth name was. Changed she had to change it because Chinese names were. That was a government law which meant that. Chinese names had to be changed in the late sixties. How old was she then? She would have been sold on co Hongo primarily around five. And in private that her family keep using her Chinese name. Wow Just, kind of interesting and actually so like my grandma died in the during the right team undone. But I did have a chance to talk to while I was wikileaks while I was working through with this stuff and it was amazing. How how actually she was talking about the policy is. Refrain was always why you so interested in why does it added in the past? Yes That was never any kind of sentimentality about these things about names about. I. Guess. Some of that is just survival. And Yeah just a way of dealing nice because you just don't. He doesn't back you don't think about it. And what did you speak together? We spoke A. Commodity nonverbal. Quits. Of Bathrooms in a few English words. Now. You can go surprisingly. you know I gotta get my mom to translate. An apology for not knowing this. But if you're part of the Chinese minority in, Indonesia, would your native language be mandarin or some other kind of Chinese or would it always be Bahasa? Indonesia? would be needs. Because of there's been a Chinese but since while. The sixteenth seventeenth century. and. I mean as a region Southeast Asia it's been. Like defined by by traits by travel migration. It's funny how different is to Europe in the US where nation states have such a fixed idea. Like in how we think about These things. Are Fine distinctions being like jump in their tallying and Swiss. Southeast as just like for as long as you know for very long time. By just. Ebbing and flowing of borders and of trait. That is so interesting. So because earlier you were saying that may be one of the reasons that your mother has been. Hesitant to pass on her Indonesia to you because. The safest thing to do in the UK maybe would be to assimilate. D. Do you think that one? Another reason may be that you know Indonesia was not really a stable concept that she had to pass on. Yeah I mean I thought that's I. think that's yeah. That's really. Common idea. Let's NBA Troy when I think of my mom being most herself when she is. In Indonesia with with family. And in a way that's not. Those are things you can't communicate and instill in transposed they're tied to the place and the people. And it's an eye Mamik but that's quite helpful. Way of looking at it 'cause sometimes when I really. Punish myself internally I think I'm not this not that I'm. English. Not like Cohn who claimed Indonesian speak the language but then actually what what doesn't? What does it mean? The case in Indonesia is. In some ways a colonial constructs I, mean it's a series of what over two thousand islands the over around seven hundred different languages spoken. Are Bathrooms, and is the trading language. But yeah the Brian Languages immense variety of different indigenous peoples. Also. Rejects the idea of that being. Fixed. National characteristics like damaging. way of thinking where to go down. I was interested in. A poem. Called upon but it's the first page of your book. And it's maybe you want to describe what it looks like and Yeah. I'd like to know a little bit about what what went into writing this block of words. So I was Commissioned. To write something for event and I decided to write swing about Rendong partly because. This email from a friend is Malaysian. Recipe and she'd misspoke rendering rending. Okay. So I had these two words in my head, which has many poets might oppose again, you just have these two words and openly band no connection. Will they better break superficial kind of stupid connection. Say these words? And so obviously I looked up. Etymology. And the coke AC- completely unrelated pronounce differently and then I just started going through the other rent was beginning to end the led. And then so rendering the first cited usage naree these this is the thing we in a when you look beneath yet Maliki many definitions site when it was first used in the first use in the was in the Washington Post in nineteen, forty seven. and. Da. Kind of. seemed. I mean, it's just it kind of stuck in micro at fell. Lebron's and that was the first us. And also the idea that you come to that not doing anything about the word and just think, oh, renting a wasn't used before nineteen forty seven. When so proposed to southeast, Asian, Cari champion needed for. A long time before then. And actually I did do some research and there were other early usages of it. Even in an English texts o English which texts. We're simply not included in the corpus that we looks to I. Mean obviously the like any dictionary is. A human indefinite shaped by the biases for people that compiling it. and. Yet, dictionaries have had historically this role. In colonizing which is. You Know Tomasz for languages wave mastering the people. Right so the. Dictionaries words are not necessarily these like portals of communication they can. kind of undecided to them. And says something about arranging these woods. So I arranged in Cornell glued all these rent was from the old English rent. WAS ABOUT HUNTING De Familiarizing our relationship for the raiders initial relationship to these words. So hopefully them again. Yeah, and before you start reading those words maybe this has to do with me not being a native speaker of English. But what does it mean to rend? Trend. His. To break. Upon. Wow, that's such a perfect then for what you're trying to do in this poem. Yeah. There is also that. Dislike electrical pun slash coincidence render of course, means the opposite so renders to to make. Rights. Yet, do you WanNa beat the just one after the other I'd like to hear them become strange in my ears. Show? Rennes render render rending rented renting. Rentals rent render rendezvous rented rendering reminder rent renti rendering rendition renewable rentable rented run David Ronda Roussey rendezvous Bouza revealingly renting render said Ren to set Renzo would rentable raindrop. Ren Zena Rendu Rendu Osler Weber. Random. It is indeed so hypnotic it. It's. After why nothing means anything anymore and then some words really stick out like Oh rendezvous that Miers Rendong in a sense right that rendezvous obviously already was around for quite a while in French before they were like, Oh, this is an English word to now I suppose. Yeah and then made it into rent. Ron. Ron I can't even plows it randy losing. Often used right. Yeah there are some very kind of apt words in the like rentable means capable of being translated. Rendition is obviously is to like take possession of something and has connotation out of extraordinary rendition, which is when a government extradites someone from another state usually without going through the formal process exhibition. So when they just. Kidnap them yeah. And render. Oak. Is A type of explosive. Wow kind of like dynamite school and is it like? Or what what kind of where does that? Yeah I guess that would have yeah. would be in a brand name. Seventy S in the US. And so when you see these I mean you you said that you started off this poem by seeing this silly connection, not a true connection between a rending the verb and rendering the dish and that Eugen got interested in all the other words that start with rend. But so now that you do see them together and you see that quite a lot of them are about the sort of state sanctioned violence or may be the kind of explosion breaking xactly. What does it? How do you interpret that? Then you know, do you think that there is some kind of mystical connection there were? that. I mean. There's only a miss connection. The every words has this kind of Halo of connotation. If you bring together with other words, they will create a kind. Fishing No. You know though spunk connections like that. I mean. So going back to Tokyo experience. Growing up and not be able to square how I looked to the world. Now I fell in on this wave thing that people would recognize me as other and I would. Not. Nestle feel other in inside. The Society of the. STU who has t talks about racism floating signifier. Okay. I'm thinking about it's such an important idea 'cause with nervous lady that raises a fixed. Brand, you know the AW. You are what he stationed. You are Indian. You are black you are but these things change and they change in the context in which you're in. And that's what's so important. Brazen works by convincing you that those meanings of fixed you know, Sutton, the typical traits correlate to send behaviors, which way you aboard, which correlates who your parents won't that it'll restless idea to categorization definition and when I see those words I see my experience I see floating signifies I see all the tree connections which make up a kind of identity which is contingent and shifting. And so do you think when you see then those connections that are almost uncanny valley? Do you think that those connections are in the word or in you? Whether they're in who have rental It's almost like a rock shaw test or something where what you says who you are. Yeah, exactly. That's that's the Julia poetry. Curve. Of a particular kind of poaching men a lot to me. I mean I think actually Oh poetry, the poems I I quite excited about when I started reading I. I loved John. Ashbery. Early Auden poems I love will Steve. Stuff. That felt kind of like magical spells while words with slightly Def- militarized and Sunny I I didn't know what they meant I didn't care what they meant. Really. When you said that one of the first poets that you start reading was John Ashbery That is quite an unusual first poet. I would say because he's not exactly a sort of an easy way in So how did you come to? I came to him because. I had another friend who reads poetry and he had the Laci of new poets coverage by coconut here, which had Frank Ahora John Ashbery can of coke. Jane Skyla. Soy that book payment I read them my overseer Franken Hara. I really loved John Ashbery I. Think he took a bit longer to click than a horror but then when he did I just was I just. I, thought it was amazing. The something about the music of it I still remember the the opening of it self portrait the Convex Mirror Selfie portrayed in convicts mirror as Paul Mission noted a right hand bigger than the head thrust of the viewer and swelling easily away as though to protect what appetizers is Parma Gino did it the right hand bigger than the head thrust the viewer in swerving easily away is to protect what it advertises like I think when I write it I just read it for the sounds had look talk the Polish self-portraits just heard that word on just loved the sound of it and the sound of that phrase Parmigianino did it which was going to wait ranging in that use of the word of the time his slow to protect what appetizers. I think I I. Think. Okay. Supposedly I think I've is drawn to because I knew that he was Clinton had station has been difficult. Dearer. Liking, something difficult. was, inscrutable and hot out together I think as low teenage as an I guess not merit how school myself and I wanted to master language, which was also in on skipping I also love the way he connected emotions. I was. Reading on listening to a interview with Mamie bus burgers when my favorite poets and she talks about the. Poems. Communist doesn't come from Mitch's. But that emotions themselves can be concrete and that means we made me think who've Ashbury. And that to me you know the emotions Akon creep it's not visually concrete in the sense. You know sometimes when people describe poem, no discard is like a film you know where you can imagine the scene in you'll being led through it from one place to another one room to not the following an eye of replacement worldspace. Then that doesn't really work and actually says more combustion brooker pumps but to me, they absolutely clear it because you have this clarity of emotion being led three from one emotion to another Clo- on. Can you give me an example of maybe in an ashbery poem that you can follow the emotional state of the lyric I? Okay this. What should be the vacuum of petroleum becomes continually replete of his a source of dreams is being tapped so that this one dream may wax flourish like a cabbage rose defying some laws leaving us to awake and try to begin living in what is now become a slum so. That extract. To me, it's not sometimes when you to opponents at school you know it's like what is the image across wants to how you're feeling and how can you develop? How can you make read you know touch taste smell here it to me that. The cabbage rose defying. Sumptuous Lewis. Some. Louis. Louis. Addressed your clothing. That doesn't make sense and those are the. Dream. Waxing. Moon Waxes will these things which clashing and which don't make? The. The main similarly like a cabbage rose more more vivid if anything they make it kind of fuzzy but to me, they make it more emotion vivid. Maybe comes back to second question the beginning is a poem. Yeah. One. There's one on that question, which is the poem is just the memorable language. It's way of communicating and experience of being somewhere doing something in the way that's most of on may be kind of. Down to some. Kind of panic. Moments will inside. The ME. What I get from poems in the sense of being opened out to something nothing's being distilled embroiled down but the language is is not being used in its conventional way. The grammar is being pushed up against the images of being pushed up against and the I get a sense of possibility. So he'll when actually says this dream may wax flourish like temperature rose to find some tree lowers I, get this I don't I don't picture anything I mean I kind of picture cabbage and Sure mean at the same time like it's no. You know if that was. A workshop criteria. So, if I can imagine certain kind of being like, what are you trying their what what's the image they want to leave the the? And you would cut that you would lose. This is kind of Innis, this sense of different ideas and images existing at the same time. NF. Convinced the explained it is not what can visit me I'm so interested in that because you just mentioned the writing workshop and how. Maybe. To tutor would say. Pick one image know they'll give me all three. And so I'm wondering when you were writing poems. I mean anything that we start doing. We're bad right. So I'm not trying to make a personal comment or something, but I suppose you know are your first poems may be still needed some work or something. But so how do you diagnose what's wrong with your own poems when you already instinctively know that of writing workshop is not the place or? I mean, I, don't know if that is true cones but you know when you saw out your westbound at the. Truth maybe driving com or what like appropriate truck? I think. I think maybe with the odds with painting poetry, the some technical things which you can learn and get better at, but the core of. But like I often I think I'm I'm always trying to get back to the excitement. I felt when I first started writing poems proposal combining woods and the amazing. That you can make. Yeah I really by still really like. Postpones I right when I was. A teenager. Have One. He suggesting the I read one of them would that be an improper thing to ask. I. Yeah I agree why? No? I'm just interested in like is that excitement still visible on the page you know yeah. No, that's a group. That's a good point. Sometimes you can. You know conveying the excitement feelings. But I think it's more often the case you just you can lose it. You can lose the field for words because you're thinking about them. To explicitly or or why because. Here's my question. I have a better way to formulate this question because I have been thinking about this ever since I started interviewing poets for this podcast you know. I always want to know. When. You sit down to write your first poem. Do you. Did you know that you were writing a poem or were you just playing with words and then later use it? Oh, this must be a poem because to me that it it just seems so. Paralyzing. To tell yourself. Okay. Now, I am going to write a poem. I, think I would be I wouldn't be able to write a single word of that's the task I had set myself Whoa. Blatantly. I think that sense on the kicks in after you've been doing it for. A period of time like. When you try an instrument and you make and you realize you can make a melody and then you just become really obsessed with excited by, and then you get to a certain point way you suddenly aware of yourself. Playing, the guitar with Kano will that you could write something yourself and then all the different ways you could do it. The way of possibility Kinda crushes you and that's when you saw fooling back on things like. Technique and will you know you saw reading and looking on the people in Mike Thinking? I couldn't do this. How do they do that I want? And you lose a sense of that initial. Joy In combination. Yeah I. Okay so I could share with you. What I think is maybe the first poem. I wrote. Yeah. Let's run. I started as A. Teenager me when I was about fourteen, fifteen and So. I still have this document which I I move onto each competes or I get some which I saved his physics coursework because I was really embarrassed to buy. and. It's got. All right. So it's a little poems on and this is the first one. I waited under the tree and spring with leave spreading long fingers. phenomonal. The heat the sun not furious rages of winter. Still. It is black shoes throwing pieced together the dark scared white flashes flick past and others laugh still believes the lodge and cost Chateau in which I sit and wait by the tree and spring. Summer. Wow that I can't believe. This is the first poem a image seen it seemed how do you know if you went to many draft this just come sort of poor I? Remember the yeah I was a That was an online poaching forum. Which? I would share poems on and comment on it was like kind of early. Why would you quit like? That was pre web two point shy. So when when I when? I was so popular and I would often just write poems directly into the whole. The thing where you would share it and that was really generates if me. And did you have a like an Avatar? Was it you? Know it was me definitely was. Luckily cut. Remember what my? was. My. Great great practice because I was a rule that you had to comment on three poems I think probably one you posted. So you believe. Think. Good practice generally, and it made me really good at reading and other people's from feedback and everyone. Gets no the peak loan through the person? Actually really vividly remember. You these moments when you get a someone's offline life coming through like a one guy words. Clean like post when he was drunk and light, he'd like polarized next day and he'd be like I'm going through a rough time and. That was really amazing and kind of quite exciting to me as a teenager in the is I was like Sharon? What quick like adults and of course. Real Person. Yeah. Yeah, and did that then. Invite. You to also share things about your life or were you trying? I think I was trying to of acts the role of Harrow. So I didn't preference being at school king with my English teacher training like that. When you continued writing. Poems. was there a moment at which you did? Want to. include. Parts of your life like how how I mean because in the poems that were published in Rendong it's definitely not sort of In the confessional mode or something you know but but there are snippets, Azeem definitely biographical. So when did you make that turn I? Think it's quite important to me than not confessional or read in that way but I guess that was the point at which. I became more comfortable with using my life as material. Because, prior to that, I really know wanted to I'd found the idea really icky is says there was nothing interesting Toyota about me? Which? Is True largely but then. It just took me further and further away from that like. Early Jordan in writing poems and I would write stuff that was ultimately. Incense area. and. Then I'd look at it a month later I go. What does that mean? What were? Point Expressway to they. Say That who wrote that? And So the shift I think the book my attitude change. In. But I thought to see the poems poems of encounter. And They were poems that one the they went about expunging stuff that was inside of me. There were about going into the world and meeting people in about my friendships and about the strangers that I. Came into contact with an obviously in the process of doing that I had. Those conversations reflected. On an responded to things people said because of my own. History my on heritage or heritage's. And that's kind of how I see myself within the book. It's the but only in kind of gaps in between other people, which is basically how I see myself in society as a person as well. and. That was actually also very freeing realization in terms of writing realizing actually doesn't doesn't matter nothing need the so many white is I mean, I put so much pressure myself. So like who emily what am I trying to say that the words in sense eat van it's about how you access it. How do you convey onto the page? Yeah. I was wondering. If you want to read that quite long poem say. Because I. Think it touches upon some of the things that you're talking about. Now it's on page sixty one. At word starts there. And could you? Could you introduce upon before we dive into it? So I wrote this poem up. May of fairly long period of not writing. And it was probably because my dad had been very ill. He had cancer and. I Don't I. Just basically, it didn't feel like writing. Didn't affect me in a necessarily straightforward way but. Then he recovered. Amazingly Quickly and And then I was going away with some friends for short. Holiday. And on the fly on a usually really scared of flying I, just I had this. Brian an voting printed it out. I just started writing this poem. What's next COUPLA months. there. are a few other things that I'd like to know before you start. You mentioned it'll kiss flow what does that in and what does it mean to you? So. It's come on from one of the obvious sonnets. And I guess it's what I Associated with Roka uses amazing poet flow. I mean, he wrote in the flow, you know in these sudden flurries of. Direct inspiration and His poems. Seem. To have this kind of Hayek connection with language with Metro lines gave everything seems to be kind of one the fee for the duration of the poets recitation. And, that's may be contained in the idea flow, but things need to be able tap like smooth transition between the pots. and. Whereas breakage which the other main force in this pub glow in Bryk. Society that things comment was flow that actually may be a poem like a society like pus and is composed of little ruptures pots which don't connect which doesn't make sense which don't add up to something. and. Maybe, like I was saying earlier that was pressure little. Implicit but there to simulate. And I realize much later that was just Pump, the time in which I grew up. The New Labor. was in government and they put a big pressure multi-culturalism this idea of integration dislike the. Of Brenda's this melting pot melting. Something which. In a buns down all the different will be different parts into one substance one of flowing liquid. And Actually That's kind of a violent imposing influence. Me In some ways breakage can be a more generous one. If you admit the society doesn't have to be but it can be composed of broken pots then that's Kind of. Generous. Yes. The people in it. Do. You want to read the poems sate. Yeah. Sure. Stick. Supporter. Yeah yeah, it's a long one city. Say. Brick Block of grey stone washed ashore on which was carved the word say. My Dad picked it up low tide and two months later found another and another saying leads. We walked out that rather than Camman like Rookus flow. It was the name of an old firm sales which sold refined sugar with plantations in the Caribbean and Tween Chizik. His capital flows accumulates and breaks its bounds. So to had sales broken into various subsidiaries slipped dissolved loosed. You find kinds of things at low tide. One time a black retrieve a tame waking up to me with Jawbone in its mouth. We'll copy disposed of otherwise will can't be broken down taken by the river spat patout or lodged in. The saybrook took pride of place on our chest of drawers. Masonry two faced by time made part of the furniture. My Dad decided to give it to you in part because you're an. And he thought it looked like ought but also which is may be the same because it suggested reason in madness and made him made us less afraid. Last. Week that was an acid attack. Two cousins is seemed to be Muslim. Having torn off their clothes they naked on the coug cooling the help. Pulses by cross the road. Things break flow. It is impossible. However lovely to see. The whole of humanity is a single helix for taking forever in the midst of universal time flow break flow. That's how things go. Is it. What are you trying to say? Off The operation, they stay shut his stomach as the scars hailed became harder to discuss. He drank as if he had no body nothing said mid two or broken glow break flow gathering the fragments. Now he's back to saying the country's full why they men? Four Months Ago Flimsy Hospital gown the fight always left him. Matto need used to distract to child the nurse told my mom about her holiday Sumatran the early nineties he likes custody she replied. We told him when to cough and went to breathe. Closed the button that controlled phen-. BLEEP. BLEEP. What did the blue and green lines main the sudden dips what was the nurses name I chose not to keep nuts. Thoughtful is moss or black coffee was the screen of dead phone. That's what is look like when you really look at them. inanimate. Most though is alive enough to halt as carbon dioxide to grow yesterday I do Google thoughtful as most thinking was from a shameless any poem by only found description of the poet growing long head and thoughtful about can escape from the massacre. At School we learnt the woodcutters armed peasants who fought against the British in Ireland I imagine them and him as thoughtful connel's seeds that had escaped death by being spat out I nothing. So solid durable. What are you trying to say? The is I made patterns in the air knowing what to say. Then you came who pointed out the paintwork cracks and bubbling on the wool beside my bed, which though it stink, I hadn't noticed. The streetlights spoke to beats them. Your skin smoke, Brady? Wool. I couldn't say how Bam life had been. The stillness in the room was like the stillness and the ad between the heaves storm. We flowed into an ounce of each other saying what? Saying Note yet together, we were capable of breaking. Cradled in pule being. Paint flaked exposing streaks of poxy wool remember the church where the saints faces have been scratched away taking on a new expression alien afraid. Some days I must look alien to him. Scary. One poet's of the devil was neither blatant no scowl incapable of being. Scared. I sleep scared. Most nights feel no more holy. Once pronounced oven often Mongo's and a friend loft the cracks appeared beneath me. The. As before we met go I wrote I was too scared to Scott to speak. Flow flow flow I wanted to be carried along not spat out or upon. That, same brick picked from the riverbed proved the Brockton. Things still flow. What are you trying to say? When you asked me. I. Closed my laptop. OFFENDED WHY? Never massive will I said. Where these speak up will scarcely whisper you speak with all you all. The I, the being of in comparatively longer life to God devil, the human race would appear as one continuous by ration- in the same way as spoke with twelve at night. ABS like a suck. In Dhaka taste I couldn't say that to my dad stumps in front of the TV with a monk of instant coffee saying it now only makes me think of times I've held a SPA. The Hiss and flair the off to smell which runs count. It's that whole vision. One morning gagging on his breathing tube he started to text my mom. But fully to press sent his phone died he couldn't remember what you've tried to say I can't remember what I tried to say glow break flow. You hear me the. Thank you so much. I didn't I didn't read that poem longtime. Zion. Quite. It's quite. It's quite. It's quite intense I was together when I ring again actually. Does take quite out of me. kind of I think it's there in the way in which rotate to. Is An I wrote the first row very intensely the night intensity. Still feels like. A. Breathless. Of Unloading regurgitation of so much stuff I've been. Feeling and thinking wanting to express already a reload time. and. So when you read it now. Are, they things that still surprise you that you almost rediscover like, Oh, I knew that then already, why do I keep wanting to find it out? Yeah completely. I mean also just it's funny had doing reading in the context of the. It. It says a local things I've tried to express appropriately. Singly more clearly and we want to where you can put A. I know I. could have just asked what's a person what's a poem and have you read this poem and done you know? So what's a part that still? Surprised you unreasoning it now. Actually that they about. My Dad saying the country's will why they will men. I mean, that's quite it's quite like a painful revelation which I know he's. Come into of people have mixed mixed heritage. which is that sometimes you can have. A white. Parent. Who Will Say. Racist things. And? Not, really realized the connection or how it affects. Their own. Children. And Yeah I guess. Scrambling. Thing stomach and then the moment. where the dust talks about her holiday too smart. 'CAUSE I. Guess like say the poem I didn't take notes so that moment. To take an extra power because it was something which I did just remember. Five. Months later was describing how holiday and then my mum saying he likes customers. Like hits meal on some subterranean level the I still don't fully understand it almost feels like cooling out the dust saying that, but I wasn't. It's just you know when you're in an ICU and someone's just survived a life threatening operation someone's about holiday. To a place where Your family has this. Painful link it's. Points be made of it other than that. It's in Congress Commits Strangeness Is. kind of painful in a way that's hard to make sense of. Yeah I liked that interaction in particular because it does illustrate this break instead of the conversation flowing instead of being a dialogue where. The nurse talks about her holiday and some are trying the new MOMS is, Oh yeah. Where did you go? Oh well, my you know this and that grew up there or so and so it was sort of I suppose what was expected of your mom in that. Setting in the sense, she breaks that whole line of conversation and and just sort of. Diverts the back to your dad who needs care he likes custard. I thought it was white. Powerful to get a breakage of dialogue onto the page you know. We. So rarely do that whereas they're full. You know so many of our dialogue broken right when you. Know like a piece of small talk that you're not feeling like how can I shut this down as quickly as possible I mean there's so much breakage. Burkan speech is amazing I mean. As any therapist will tell you it's with messed revealing. Its funny. When we invent speech, we always make it continuous but when you actually transcribe someone. As properly few quickly tilting. moments went doesn't follow those the. Abets where something's being said. Yeah I'm also interested in this home because. It's also like a Meta poem right where you you wonders throughout the poem from that first scene where a brick size block of grey stone washed ashore on which was carved the word say you know it seems almost like like Dave. machi whatever something dropping from the sky that is like, what are you want to say poets? Say it already, and so there's a lot of this You know what do you want to say I can't remember what I tried to say you hear me though. So, in that sense, it seems like asking questions about wh-, what is this poem but then at the same time, it does. Have these flickers of biography like when you talk about your dad with staples in his stomach when you talk about the political context in which he sang the country's full wire, they all men probably is brexit or is this before this was brexit time? Yeah. Rhetoric has been around for for longtime. Yeah and then those two cousins assume to be Muslims were lying on the curb having torn off their clothes. You know an acid attack. there are these flickers of of the real that that come into this poem that seems at the same time to be. A meditation on what is a poem and so I'm wondering how? How you marry those two things like how you keep those to bound together in one poem instead of them shredding the poem apart. I think in this poem I was. Explicitly trying to both, let myself go to indulge whatever I felt like writing, but also to write against myself. So think using the structure of a refrain. What are you trying to say? Which is this thing that my opponent did sites me one time a couple of years before I be working this essay for ages and. Piece of buying and it gets more and more. and. More. Like. She came back from work one day and I was like some took my laptop when she was like, what are you trying to say? And? I wanted to have both of those signs in the poem. I wanted to have these pots in it, which felt random on besides the point which took it in another direction. But then I also have a feeling of tightness that coming back with someone pushing against it like a minds the way it works when you're streaming against something, which is painful to look at painful to say. Where you come bring yourself to focus on it to the full duration. Like when I read this actually when I read this pub. One thing if I if I'm honest. The Spencer Abou- The Flow Swan. Shameless ebay about would come and Kennels and that would play, which is basically kind of inconsequential in. Dumb. Every time I think I could've cut that and probably would have made a better poem will stronger poem in some ways but then, i. also Meyer. I admire the pak-tai. Stay in because it is a very long winded way of getting to the point of saying. I am nothing solid durable. And for me Knowing the way I think the way I bro, I needed to right through to that point and to conclude there's random thoughts all homophobic leaps. I'm so interested in that as you say inconsequential paragraph. Yeah. The fact that you'd let it stay because that question what are you trying to say? It has a certain violence, right? It's sort of like. Please, just spit it out. You know. Slow Yeah and so when you choose the poem to say things in New Instead of Who knows what a political speech or an essay you know there are so many ways to say what we want to say but so what does it mean to you to say what you want to say inside upon? While exactly I mean I think it's for useful say in those times, you'll you'll choosing the path of of not saying you know writing speech about something, which is important or like an article in a newspaper which your impe auto using a form of language, which could affect the material change in the world which would be unquestionably posted. But you're kind of holding intention the pots of language which are. Meaningless and which is still charged with desire to communicate. and which miscount be communicated there. So I guess the pot of the POEM I. Slightly resolve this tension is in the line about whether you speak up was scarcely wispy speak with you off. But Saying this constant thing that you'll always doing. Right, which would be separate or like an act of communication even. Yeah. I think that's another thing that people can get wrong. You know. If I wanted to communicate with someone I would write pre I withdrew in a different way but I don't write poems to communicate. In that way. But at okay slow because this is an interesting line to me and it's from Metal Ponti. Noah what are you speak up or scarcely whisper you speak with Oh you are yeah. When when your mom is by your father's bed in the hospital and talking to US nurse who's talking about her holiday And she says, he likes custard. What was she saying? All she is. So I think I've made a note of that line from I was. As Bella Pontiac the other phenomenal just. Maybe. Maybe something in the idea of phenomenology which struck a chord in terms of how I communicate with my mom how my mom was communicating with my dad when he was like high on morphine off to the celebration, how I communicate with my grandma or how did when she was alive even though we couldn't speak the same language, which is that there's a kind of. Communication which arises from. Intimacy. A creates around gestures and words. But which isn't about what they're explicitly communicating. Yeah Yeah I mean when I think of custody. I will always think of my dad's nothing particular kind of custody I'll think of. Lights and it will kinda custody have. US But here we have. Powell to star in. That was particularly popular. In. My Dad was the kid you know it's kind of like school meal custody you have sponge. Or the my dad's still really loves it's like very sweet and embrace synthetic or like, right And maybe there's something about that powder custard, which is my dad. On which also expresses the relationship that me and my mom have to my dad's. Them. And that is understanding of how phenomenology works. Rights Rights that your? Love for your dad is inside the powder custard. Exactly. Exactly. Will Harris is the author of the Poetry Collection Rendong, which was a poetry book, Society Choice and shortlisted for the Forward Prize for Best First Collection Twenty twenty as well as the chap book or the English say pamphlet all this is implied which was picked as London review bookshop pamphlet of the year. He also published a book length essay titled Mixed Race Superhuman and Teachers for the Poetry School in London. You can find the essay he wrote about poetry, of Maimi Burson Burkey via the chief foundation website. The music in this episode is by Todd Sicker Frus-. I am hailing groups and this was poetry off the shelf. Thank you for listening.

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Detour To Neverland - Episode 113 | Pushing Outside Your Comfort Zone

Detour To Neverland

21:27 min | 2 years ago

Detour To Neverland - Episode 113 | Pushing Outside Your Comfort Zone

"Welcome to detour to Neverland your guide to Living Your Best Disney life through your hobby or business. Here's your host Brendan and Catherine Welcome back to detour to Neverland today is episode number one hundred and thirteen so we are currently in the process of launching our newsletter. It's going to be a weekly curated email where where we share tips tricks and different strategies to help you grow your project. You can sign up by visiting detoured Neverland Dot Com forward slash newsletter and we are excited to announce that our first I release date is going to be next Wednesday July twenty fourth so we're excited yeah so just expand on that a little bit it's going to be both you know articles and blog posts that we find from around on the web and then also Catherine has been working on a blog series as as well. I read the first installment it was wonderful well. Thanks you have to say that but it's it's a labor of love and it definitely goes with what we're talking about today but just stepping out of our comfort zone so we'll get to that here in a minute but the other thing that we did want to mention is that our friends Sarah Jeff who we've been spending the whole week with here in Disneyworld <hes> they just kind of stepped out of their comfort zone as well so they both run the adults in Disney blog and they have their own instagram and Jeff is obviously very much into photography and he's quite good even rendon gives him a hard time and they just recently opened up their own Ed see store to sell those prints so we're super proud of them and and of course we want to support their endeavors and we want to encourage you to go check him out <hes> because they're awesome yeah so you can find them on Oetzi at Disney park prints and then we will also put the link to their shop in our show notes yeah so so they're quite affordable as well drescher. Oh Yeah it's definitely the quality is top notch yep so we have two of them now we do. We're so excited so today. Our focus is on stepping out of Your Comfort Comfort Zone don't and this is something that I think everyone can relate to whether or not you actually have some sort of Disney business or side hustle you know even in your everyday life in your day job your nine to five you know it's scary to still have to step out of your comfort zone if you're asked to do a presentation or head up a new project or whatever it might be. That's scary so I think this is something that everyone can relate to yeah and I think really just comes down to fear and overcoming fear <hes> and just you know understanding that there could be failures in rejections but understanding that it's going to make you stronger and it's going to lead you down new pass that you don't even know exist. Oh for sure and I think another part of that. You know there's obviously the fear part of it but there's also. So the comparison and you know I can speak like Brennan said you know I'm starting this blog. You know I can compare myself to all the other amazing Disney bloggers that we've had the privilege of talking to and getting to know and you know I can look at myself and say we'll my writing is not nearly as good as theirs because they're rock stars and I think sometimes that comparison can also kind of keep you in your safe. Happy Bubble Yup a phrase that I've been living by trying to buy for a long time as comparison is the thief of joy and I think that is so true the keeping up with the Joneses mindset is real always looking over your shoulder and seeing what other people are doing in letting that get into your own head but putting those blinders on and just worrying about you and being the best version of you that you can be I think is absolutely the key to success yeah yeah and just trying not to think put too much pressure on yourself has been a big thing for me lately and just knowing that everyone has to start somewhere. It's like we say to people every single week. You just have to go for it and it's so hard to take your own advice. It's the hardest thing in the world because you can preach it all day long and I think something to keep in mind is that fill in the blank with anybody that you idolize like in a space that you would want to to go into but you're leading compares interfere stop you. I can almost guarantee you. That person does not feel one hundred percent comfortable with what they're doing. That's true probably always room for growth you know and everybody's minds because we've been podcasting for what one hundred and thirteen episodes now I don't. I doubt it but there might be someone out there. Who thinks I couldn't do what they're doing and I can tell you we have have fear all the time that we we still don't know what we're doing and I think so many other people no matter how polished or well presented you seem have that kind of mindset unfortunately yeah? It's definitely always something to kind of overcome <hes> so the first thing that we really want to talk about or just what we think are some of those benefits to actually stepping out of your comfort zone so when you Kinda give yourself that pep talk you know what are the real benefits benefits for yourself just personal benefits Brendan for me I think when you step out of your comfort zone you learn more about yourself probably than any other exercise that you can possibly do when you're not within the confines finds of your safe little bubble that you've created for yourself. You're really learn what your strengths are. What your weaknesses are things that you like things that you don't like because you're not in this? You know environment that you've built up just to <hes> be you know accompany what you like and don't like there's a better way of saying that and I can't get there at the moment but you know what I mean like once you step out of those walls roles of your little happy space. That's where you really learn what you're made of. Oh yeah it's kind of like that flight or fight kind of mentality. I mean if you never push yourself. You'll never know what you're actually capable. Bible of and I guess my benefit is kind of the same thing I definitely see it as an opportunity for growth within yourself I mean it's I feel like a pair. I'm very much saying what you just said but you know if you just constantly do the same thing then you're going to life. Just pass you by. I mean it's so easy to just do your routine. You know the everyday nine to five you come home. E WATCH TV go to sleep. I mean you could do that forever but then you're in a Rut and you really don't give yourself that opportunity to become a better version of yourself and I think that's a shame I mean as a teacher that something that you always try instill in your kids. You know that you want to be the best version of yourself and you have to push yourself in even though it kind of sucks you know that's how you get better and I think a lot of times when you grow up and you graduate college or like I'm done you know I I've been there done that I did school. I have the degree and oftentimes you kind of go through you know okay. You know what next I'm dying and you're not done. You have a whole lifetime to keep growing yeah. I think something that you mentioned that. I want to make sure that our listeners really here because I do think it's important. Is that a lot of times pushing yourself outside of your comfort. Zone opens up new doors for opportunities -tunities that you have no idea even there. I mean like for us for example. The PODCAST has opened up doors to so many different things of what we can do now which I never would have imagined and yeah I never would've actually thought that I would blog like for fun and enjoyment and here we are and I think it's allowed us to network within the Disney community. It's allowed us to express ourselves and brand new ways but there's also new business opportunities that hopefully will be able to explore down the road that just because we have something that has a little bit of traction. It's opened up these doors yeah and I think the possibilities are just endless whence he start opening new doors. I think there's a Disney quote that goes with that and I we've used it before so we're not gonNA use it today but I think in addition to you benefitting yourself 'cause obviously those possibilities are endless. I think you can also benefit others which is an interesting way of looking at it and we've talked about it a few times on the podcast. I'm interested if this is the way that you're interpreting this to be like I've said before if you don't put yourself out there and do what you're capable of doing and sharing it with the world. You're doing everybody else a disservice because there might be one person who needs needs your next blog poster your instagram post or your podcast or youtube you know show to come out and to consume that to get them over the hump for them to accomplish something great yeah I mean I definitely agree and I think it it kind of you could even take what you're saying in connected to different stores who benefit you know different causes like we've talked about if they never had that store never created that product you know they might not be able to share. Her their testimony in the things that they want to share with the world or just their own story because really those are the things that connect us to other people in relate to other people you know tugging on those heartstrings strings and sharing that common ground they help make friends and we've seen that many times within the community and we've experienced that with other people and then you know it. Might you know your story might my give someone else the confidence to step out of their comfort zone you know if you are in artist who is using the Disney community as an outlet for you know your creativity someone else could connect to that if they're lucky enough to have artistic ability and it could be silly things like I think about and I don't remember where we exactly connected but one of the things that like we talked with Andrea from isn't a neat boutique about a lot is hot chicken can like just silly things like that that we posted a picture that we were at Howdy B.'s now like we love how to be when we come to Nashville just little things like that that you never know just by putting yourself out there and sharing your story and experiences news on who you're going to connect with and how that can unravel yeah and that that makes me think of when we were in <hes> our group with our friend Terry. We're getting to talk to a lot of similarly minded people and we heard you know you can always find common ground with someone. There's there's always something that you can talk about and connect with someone else which is obviously something that we struggle with being a little more introverted averted but it's so true like bought chicken follows fails go to Disney exactly well awesome so hopefully this is helpful for you guys. We're GONNA take a quick break in here a message from our partners and then we'll be back with the second half of the episode as our October trip to Walt Disneyworld gets closer weary leave to already have something important checked off our list instead of lugging our niece's Stroller from our our house to the car to the airport onto the magical express in eventually to the room we simply reserved our stroller with kingdom strollers and it will be waiting for us at Bell Services at the Polynesian as soon as we arrive nothing nothing could be easier and less of a hassle and we are so relieved to have that option so to reserve your stroller and check one more item off of your list had to detour in every land dot com forward slash kingdom or or look for that link in our show notes so we're back and perfect. I think perfect after those I was the first to say perfect. I thought that might be too much of a like a Little Side Jab. You're definitely mocking urging me definitely but we're back and we're going to start with our quotes so the first one that I came up with is from tramp as in lady and the tramp and he says there's a big marty must've he says there's a great big hunk of world out there with no fence around it and I think he's saying you know if you never step out of that comfort zone. You are not going to know what you're missing out on so obviously. Flee as a dog. It's safer to stay in your fence or inside your bubble but it's GonNa be less fun. There's no adventure Andrew missing out so sometimes you need to take the scary leap of faith in league defense yeah. That's a good one. I like it. I have one Disney one and one non Disney one. Are you allowed to do that. Yes okay <hes> because we make the rules so the Disney one is is when you're curious you find lots of interesting things to do in that is from Walt Disney himself <hes> I think it's just you know the thing of always pushing yourself further finding new things and new paths is to go down and that's where you can find the sweet spot of things that you can explore and spend some time on and that's when the magic happens or if you think about it from a teacher or a parent perspective you think of all the trouble your kids can get into they are curious and board the interesting. Things will result in like Brendan's brother putting fireworks in the toilet as a kid but that was a fun story. We'll always always have that story. That is the key takeaway there the other quote I had is from Ray Bennet which truth be told I do not know much about Ray Bennet but this was in one of my textbooks or something down the road food and I've always had it run down it is we have to be honest about what we want and take risks rather than lie to ourselves and make excuses to stay in our comfort zone that is pretty good. I guess will accept accept it. You accept that from the Non Disneyworld Disneyworld and I think it really just hits on that we all have this great big dream but a lot of US talk ourselves out of it before we even give it a chance to grow because it's so easy to say oh. I just need to do this and make money to pay the bills and you know we'll get by. There's weekends you know vacation days and things like that but if you want to live the life that she want you do have to take risk so let's talk about our characters and actually have one to add to the list when you were talking about tramp. <hes> you talked about Adventure Carl Frederickson UH okay. He did step out of his comfort zone. He was kind of well yeah. I was GONNA say he was forced to but he did it. Voluntarily he was dead he was forced to bring Russell on is what I was thinking of Doug and and eventually Kevin <hes> but I think it would have been easy for Carl to just go to the nursing home. Go to the nursing home. Give over his land to though big construction Russian people build up around him but he took a risk and put balloons on his house and there is his history curl is one of our favorite characters of all time you definitely have a soft spot for good old karl-friedrich Frederickson but I think the obvious when here is definitely reponsible and you could see you know kind of that internal struggle that she went through as she finally left her tower dino the happy and then the crying. Dying in the happy and then the crying I think internally that's what we all go through so often when we make big decisions because it's risky in it's scary in its new and even though she had like a guide to go with her you know it's still uncharted territory yeah again. It would have been easier for her to just sit in the tower but she knew that she was meant for something. More Judy hops was the other one that I thought of off in Judy so much didn't struggle as much but she pushed herself outside of her comfort zone in outside the limitations that society would normally put on her and that's really good. I like that last part too because I definitely think that you can get caught up in the oh well. This is what I'm expected to do like I have to stay. I have to stay in my bubble and that's not true either car yeah so I think she pushed the envelope. She wanted to become a police officer and fight real crime instead of writing traffic tickets and that's exactly what she did so I think falling through on that vision and putting yourself self and uncomfortable situations that you know that the rewards are going to outweigh the risk and then the last one that we thought of was memale so you talked about Marlin in the last episode so Nemo all kind of came to mind for this one and again he knew that there were bigger things to explore and he went for it. He went out to touch the but obviously in hindsight that might not they've been the best decision but honestly sometimes in stepping out of your comfort zone. You do make mistakes. Not everything goes according to plan. I I definitely don't think that was in his plans. He just wanted to show offer his friends and but in the end of it he learned a lot of great lessons and everything worked out so even though you might misstep here and there I think it does work out works out how it's supposed to so that will wrap it up up for this episode we are as we speak if you're listening to this when it released where in the second to last day of our Walt Disney world trip. How do you think the weeks gone Catherine? I'm going to say very good very hot pretty tired but all in all great week with great friends and people were recording this the week before that's so we're just guest mating but any any time in Walt Disneyworld has got not great yeah so we will most likely be back pretty soon with a trip report. If you guys WANNA listen in to that one probably not as long as our ones in the past but we'll briefly go over some of the things that we did D._V._D.. Magic as well as line line king yes. We're spending a lot of time in animal kingdom so thank you guys so much for joining us. We'll be back on Monday with another interview. Hope you can join us then. Thank you for listening to detour to Neverland subscribe to the show and leave a review to help more people.

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Adding Observability To Your Python Applications With OpenTelemetry

The Python Podcast.__init__

53:44 min | 1 year ago

Adding Observability To Your Python Applications With OpenTelemetry

"The. Label. Hello and welcome to podcast, dot it the podcast about Python and the people who make at Great. When you're ready to launch your next APP or want to try a project you hear about on the show. You'll need somewhere to deploy it, so take a look at our friends over at winnowed. With the launch of their managed Kuban platform it's easy to get started with the next generation of deployment and scaling powered by the battle-tested lynnette platform, including simple pricing node balancers, forty gigabit networking dedicated CPU and GP you instances S. three compatible object storage and worldwide data centers. GO TO PYTHON PODCAST DOT COM slash leonod. That's L. I N. O. D. Today and get a sixty dollars credit to try out of Kuban Eddie's cluster of your own, and don't forget to thank them for their continued support of this show your host as usual as Tobias. macy today interviewing Austin Parker and Alex Boden about the open telemetry project and its efforts to standardize the collection and analysis of observability data for your applications, so Austin can start introducing yourself sure thing. Hi, I'm Austin. Parker, principal developer advocate at light set and I'm a maintain her on the lemon tree project and Alex you sure. Alex I'm on open source software engineer. Let's up and I'm a contributor to the until update project as well as one of the maintainers on the open python project, and so going back to you Austin. You remember how you first got introduced to Python Oh actually I. think by the first time I ever use python was. Way Back in college. I feel like I'm want say maybe my internet programming type of thing before that I done a lot with just journal scripting things like apple script, on Mac and other forms of you know like Bash scripting in Shell scripting, but python was kind of new to me, and I really enjoyed it actually I still love to work in Python and Alex. how about you so I? Guess the I remember the first time I heard about python was people complaining from the Java World about the white spacing that python required, but At the time, I really used it and I was really introduced at about six years ago when I joined a team. Building a platform as a service and API. Cli Role Rendon Python Thakur so basically I jumped in just native what I needed to to learn team. Move forward using Python to seven at the time I. Think and in terms of the open telemetry project. Can you each give a bit of background as to how you each get involved with it, and maybe describe a bit about what the project is, and some of the story behind it sure I'll start off so I actually came into open telemetry from one of its predecessors open, tracing out of the short version of the story is in Twenty, sixteen, twenty, seventeen, or so open tracing came out. Has An open source project in the goal was really to provide a standard unified API for distributed tracing across multiple different languages, so everything from Java Python C. Sharp, and so forth and this you know the underlying idea here was that attributed tracing was very useful, but often you people would apply in sort of a polyglot environment where you had some services running in. In node in some empire thon some in Java and you, WanNa, be able to for useful for distributed tracing specifically to be useful. You really wanted to be able to Kinda. Go through the entire requests you know knows detail as were so you need some standard it ends. You need some standard him. Think about it as adjectives verbs right. You need these standard things. Things between your different languages. Soap and tracing was designed to fill that whole ecosystem. It was API out that had to be reimplanted by different vendors, so you'd have a yeager implementation or zipped mutation, but your actual tracing code was independent, so I could use the same tracing code with any number of vendors, and it was great now in reality. Maybe it didn't. Didn't work out quite as well as we had hoped. Twenty eighteen or so rolls around between eighteen say you saw open census kind of arrive as a competitor to open tracing in a lot of ways and open census was a Google Project Microsoft also joined in, and it had a similar sort of concepts like hey, we want to twist tracing We want polyglot. But we WANNA provide sort of both the API and is k and then let you. have applicable sort of expert model. These projects coexisted for a while. But it was causing confusion in the broader open source community. People weren't sure which to us. Had Open Source Library authors come and say like well I have customers are have users that want to use tracing, but which one of these things should I pick and ultimately I think what happened really is everyone sort of looked at the situations that hey, this is definitely a time where we can be better together, right? We don't need these two competing standards. It's driving down adoption rather than driving it up, so let's kind of join forces. Let's do a best of both worlds approach, and out of that you was born open. Telemetry and Alex had to get involved in the open telemetry project. Actually came. From the side I was I was easier of both opens set open tracing so I was I was middle of all that confusion about. Maybe year and a half two years ago now and. I was introduced to open telemetry projects much like everybody else on the on the user community around the announcements that was done about a year year, and a few months ago now and I really joined the project as a contributor when I joined step about seven or eight months ago now and that that was my first real introduction to the project, and so the Tagline open telemetry is that it's trying to help. Help make observability data easier to collect and access, and before we get too much further into the specifics of how it does that I'm wondering if you can give a bit of a definition as to how you think about observability, and in what ways at separate from the quote, unquote, traditional approach to monitoring where you're just collecting different metrics and shipping it off to some host for being able to aggregate them there. That's a good question I think. If you kind of look around, there's a few different definitions of ability but I I like to talk about it and think about it in a pretty simple way, which is observability is about understanding, and it's about having the ability to understand your system, your systems dependencies. It's about being able to understand not only sort of the aggregate behavior of. Of A system you know in production, not isolated, not insert a synthetic way, but actually look at traffic as it goes through your system, look down at the individual requests level. If you need to figure out what is wrong with some this one requests, but also to be able to Kinda pullback that thirty thousand foot view understand the entire thing how all the pieces fit together. Having both that very course and find visibility into what's going on means that you can do a lot of interesting things that you can't do with traditional monitoring. There's the sort of common. Unknown unknowns theory. Right where when you're building a system when you're running a system. Even there's a you know. It's not the things that you know about. It's not the metrics. Maybe you're collecting you care about the beginning, and it's not the things that you sort of discover the things that are going to bite. You are things that you don't even know about that. You should know about right so the whole principle observe abilities it can. It's down to this instrumentation level, which is where open telemetry really plays is you need to have a you know an SDK? SDK that can help you effortlessly collect a lot of different data points, and has a pretty deep integration into your underlying frameworks and tools, and then ship that off somewhere to a system that is capable of asking these sort of arbitrary questions. I think off the new. You hit the nail on the head there. absorb is really about understanding. When I think of traditional monitoring, it's always been about putting on the dashboard and kind of watching for. Something to change on those graphs and other those. Were definitely play a role in Denver ability to. Really give you part of that picture and too often. They're kind of result or an afterthought. You know like we have an outage. Would metrics than we have on our dashboard while we're better go ahead and added your, but what I think of being able to really dig to the bottom of the behavior of a system, while while code is actually running that system and being able to answer questions like you know. Is the code expect it to users hitting an issue? What I be able to detect? If an bloopers is. A, possible for me to dig into the 'cause normally right then and there or do I just have to wait for the anomaly to occur again I, think observer bodies changing how software is being built by thinking about a system. Rather than using it as an afterthought, and as you mentioned the need to retroactively go in and add new metrics, collection points to try and understand what happens in anomalous situation, rather than being able to automatically capture the necessary relevant context information as the real game changer there and wondering what you see as being some of the biggest challenges in enabling people to capture that necessary information, and do it in a cross cutting way where it's beyond just the specifics of a single log line, or a particular counter that you're incremental when a particular function happens or a certain timers that are being collected, and just some of the overall goals of the. Project in how it's going to help. People achieve that sort of holy grail of observability. Sure you know I, think you raise an interesting point there and I've kind of turn it not turn around. But why do people not do this already? There's a pretty pervasive view I think in the developer community that things like tributed tracing things, observability ability are only for like big companies. You know your googles, facebooks, and your Microsoft's where you have just eye popping out of services, independent services and different line of business things, and you know unmanageable complexity, right and I think. That is really that's an opinion that is kind of brought forth by an unwillingness to Kinda. Grapple with the goals of artists tools because far too often, no matter how many fancy dashboards you may no matter how many you know, cool metric data points you put the other I think Alex is the right of it a lot of times? It's just like we're making this dashboard to make. Make the stash for because this dashboard is sort of proof of life. This dashboard is the thing we can point to. When someone says well, is it? Is it up so I think. One of the goals of open telemetry is to really help. Change this narrative and I think we do that by using the fact, open is so widely supported. It's it's has extremely broad support from. Many many many organizations people you've heard of like Microsoft Google and Amazon a huge variety of monitoring our ability tool vendors also open source vendor open source of maintainers people that are creating things like. Yeah, you're or PROMETHEUS. So because it has this broad support that means that we can sort of pushed the point of immigration from the Individual Dev, and maybe go down step or two. You know I think it's a pretty common thought when you're trying to monitor. Abstraction returned to observe obstruction. You Really WanNa go one step below it so if I'm trying to understand the behavior of my application, a good way to monitor that is to kind of go to the application container. Right is the run time and look at certain metrics and measurements there with open cemetery. You can have a similar sort of behavior where. I would say goal is to integrated into things like Kuban. ities things like spring on the job aside or flask on the python side, so you're actually getting a more holistic view of what's going on very very easily without having to spend a bunch of time doing set of mainland from code, and in terms of the actual process of instrumentation I know that one of the use cases for the SDK's is to automate some of that setup and be able to out of the box to start collecting useful information without requiring a lot of development effort upfront, but. But then still being able to provide the option of adding additional collection points for different metrics, traces, and wondering what the developer workflow looks like for actually being able to get set up with collecting those metrics, and then being able to perform some useful analysis on them. I guess there's kind of there's kind of two ways of thinking about this. From ending and application at least at least on the python side, and I know it's true in a lot of the other six as well. There's kind of what we call the auto instrumentation portion of of instrumentation which. Means that we're basically looking at what libraries are going to be utilized by certain application, and so if you're if you go ahead, and you install the auto instrumentation package as well as some of the of instrumentation libraries that we're already support what ends up happening is you run a separate script to wrap your your python executable with which has just called open telemetry instrument, and it basically will go ahead and instrument all the libraries that you're using the have support for open telemetry with like spans and metrics for photos libraries for. For you, so that's Delta instrumentation piece, the minimalist repetition require application developers to go ahead and set up their there as decays and starts spans or start collecting metrics and the different portions of their applications that they're interested in, but a big piece of what we're trying to do here. We're trying to make sure that the correlation between manual intimidation all works and all of the context flows through your application, and it also flows between services along the wire and I think that that context aspect is the real differentiating factor between just. Raw metrics of here is a an integer that represents something, but you need to have enough internal context or of the code base to understand what it means, versus being able to have that context propagate along with the metric so that it's a little bit easier for somebody who doesn't own the system to be able to understand what's actually happening. Absolutely I think context is is absolutely critical here. Otherwise all of that data is really just data that's floating in the air, and stepping back up to the level of a more broad open dilemma, tree project, and its mission it, because of the fact that it is focused on support across a number of different language communities and run times and specifics of libraries and frameworks. I'm wondering how that benefits the overall. Overall broader software community, and just some of the challenges that you face in avoiding the trap of limiting the entire capability of the ecosystem to the lowest common denominator that exists across those different run times. I can speak to this a little bit. You know I think one of the things that can open tracing maintainers, certainly that we heard from the community was for lack of a better word people were. Let's say displeases with the quote Unquote Java of the hope and tracing API right and from the jump with open telemetry. There's been a pretty concentrated push to make the look and feel opened. Plumtree feel very native in each language, so that really influence everything from sort of SPEC writing where one of there's been a pretty lengthily lengthy now project a kind of cross language compatibility Sig that is mostly looking at lake. You know. What are the words using this specification? Are we making sure that we have kind of all of the words we need in the SPEC to allow for individual languages to implement. Implement the SPEC in a way. That feels native for that language. There's also a bit of hewing to kind of whatever the dominant patterns is right, so I think if you look at mount side of the real raw primitive things like starting and ending span, adding attributes are events to a span, a lot of the stuff around metrics you know, though the up down counters and things like that. That's very primitive sort of actions. There's a lot more flexibility in how that gets integrated into native workflow. A good example I would probably point to is what is what's going on in at the C. Sharp Sig. We've used that word a lot for people that don't know Sega's special interest group. That's basically the primary way we're organizing the project around these languages are topics have cigs, so the C.. Sharp Sig is much lost very heavily involved in this project, so there's actually a push to integrate open telemetry into the dot, net runtime itself and bridget with sort of the existing diagnostic information that is already available in dot net, and so you're seeing candidates to Ford. Approach where you can use kind of just existing primitives in the dot net side of the shop that you might. Might, be are already using are already familiar with it's the dot net developer, and then with a simple bit of configuration change, those will hook into a preliminary in start admitting open telemetry spans open telemetry metrics that can then be forwarded to some other part of the open ecosystem like the collector component in order to be exported elsewhere I think with python. You see something somewhat similar in where there's some idioms that maybe they try to make it pretty python. IQ I would say go is very much like go. A lot of is giving. You know making sure that. He has the ability to kind of change things as I need to along with a pretty strong top of community that can make sure that. Hey, we're on the same page. No one's drifted too far from back or his kind of reinventing the wheel over here in a way that they shouldn't. If I can just add a little bit to the. I think the specification is written in a way that specific enough for the intent of particular definition while leaving enough room for language center in a way that makes sense at a language. And another thing we've seen that has been pretty successful is around implementation or proposals around that we call taps switch are open telemetry and has been proposals, which is basically a Disa- process that we'd go through before making changes to the where you're, you're able to propose a change. You want and one thing that we've seen work well is to actually have different sakes implement. Implement up as a prototype just to get an idea for whether or not a particular concept works in in the language that is defined in each of the languages that we care we care about, and so that's kind of implemented at the level by by folks that are working into language itself. The I think the process has been very helpful for the project and. Just sort of the requirement to show your work something that maybe a lot of open source projects could look at you know. We didn't necessarily get you know. I'M NOT GONNA say. We came up with it ourselves. Isabelle Meyer was actually a very strong proponent of the process helped kind of codified originally, but she talked to people that were very involved with creating the caps right the Kuban Eddie's enhancement protocols proposals remember what piece aunts for there, but that's where a lot of inspiration was drawn from I. WanNa say yes. There are a number of different communities that have gone down that path where python has its perhaps I know, Django? DJANGO has their own process for that. They're a number of other open source communities that are following on that, so it's definitely a good way to bring everybody into the conversation and ensure that you have as diverse as possible of inputs to make sure that you're not just getting tunnel vision on the ways one thing should be implemented and bringing in the voices that are necessary to make sure that works for the broader community. And then as far as the actual data that you're collecting for being able to gain some visibility into the systems. We've talked about metric. You've talked about spans. I know that there's initial support for log collection, and some of the way that they should be formatted some curious if we can dig a bit more into the specifics of the information that's collected, and then maybe in terms of the python decay, some of the available hooks into the run time to be able to pull that information out and propagated appropriately so basically. We're looking at collecting with the initial release of the of the project is is around the intimidation and collection of distributed traces and metrics. That's kind of the the the initial goal and basically I mean metrics could be anything from you. Know your memory consumption CPU. Or requests, timing, or whatever it is that you care about the navigation. And then on the distributor, and says basically were worried about their is collecting traces and spans that are distributed across your different services. One of the things I think is really helpful when you think about traces, is that in a Lotta ways? They're really just semantic. The structured logs right there structured logs of context and one of the things that we've done in. In Open, telemetry is, we tried to sort of extend the span model a little bit in add a lot. More semantic meaning to different fields which is something that I don't believe is going to be like this is not a you know it's GonNa revolutionized, elect tomorrow, but a couple of years now I think being able to go and say like okay. Is a small example. The status on a stand open matry supports the GOP status codes right so there's a lot of ways actually classify the work that happened under a span in a semantically meaningful way. The difference between for example, this failed due to a timeout versus fail you know the difference between a four hundred, four, four, zero five right, but also things like you know. This was a context context for this request was canceled so as analysis system sort of catch up to open planetary and start to implement the ability to use this data to Kinda derive interesting statistical information about your system I think you'll see a lot of interesting innovation happen in terms of. Tools that can sort of really understand what's going on. I wanted the the sort of last mile. Problem Exists Open. Telemetry is a does with most monitoring observability things. You have data great. You still have to have someone that actually understands what the data represents in order to make heads or tails of it, but by focusing a lot on sort of having this semantic, the semantically accurate spans. I. Think will be able to build better analysis tools in the future. To get back to the question specifically around Python, so for the the open telemetry by project, or really focusing on his just wrapping up the work around implementing the SPEC around metrics and today, the the implementation for tracing as already is already in Beta. We're already I think pretty close to being done. Yeah, so between the tracing limitation and the metrics implemetation. That's kind of the the interfaces Elliott. You'LL WANNA use from from faith on and I know too that there is initial work on being able to. To standardize on the formatting of log data, so that it can be correlated with the spans and metrics that are being collected I'm wondering how you are approaching that in the ecosystem whether you're just working on using the built in logging capabilities or leaning on something like the struck lock project to be able to provide that structure out of the box, and just define the specifics of it for the tracing capabilities or thoughts are on that regard, so as the logging capabilities is fairly new and conversation. We. Haven't as a project started looking at how we are going to help lamented on the. Python project yet, but I would suspect that we would want to lean on. As much of the center luxury as we can wherever we can sort of. Some more color on the logging question I think. I you know logging incubating. It's still kind of in a very fluid process right now, but I I think it's accurate to say that there's really no appetite. In the project to create kind of a new logging API right, there is a plethora of battle-hardened and tested and very good logging libraries out there you know and I. Don't really think we're in the interests competing with them. I believe the. At, a really high level I think it's actually what you said earlier was maybe the best way to describe it. Opens has the semantic concept of linking different forms of telemetry together So you could link A. Measurement from a metric to the span that occur while that measurement was being collected for example, or while that measurement was being measured, and I feel like some sort of adapter into. A logging adapter that allows those logs to be context sensitive would be one potential implementation. Result here I think another might be. You could even maybe imagine something. Where if you have you know logs that are already in a file format, and they have some sort of correlation. Information or you know they they're getting correlation information through open telemetry auto information, and that's going in, and that's editing your law adding in the correlation, these identifiers then like filed beat style processor that is scraping those in the. Sending them off somewhere in adding in sort of the link. Through the open telemetry collector for example, but this is also like. I think this is where the thinking is more so than the reality is I think the the logging stuff is probably. I don't know if it's GONNA be Beta. By the time. The rest of the project is in G, a maybe expected be more of an Alpha, and then for being able to ensure that you can use open telemetry across different languages and across different service boundaries. Addressing the question of feature parody within different SDK's an how to settle the future completeness of a given implementation, so that people can effectively evaluate them as they're building out and designing their systems and trying to gain useful observability metrics. Yeah, that's a good question. I can talk about kind of in the high in a high level. I level. You can think of there being. Three sort of big moving parts. There's the. There's the decay, and then there's not LP, which is the wire format for actually representing the Trae symmetric data so the API once once we have API. At a one dotto out, even suggest like right now. The API's pretty close to one dotto. We have that the not API will most likely change very slowly. you expect can move a little more quickly under that, but I would also suggest that the OT. The wire call will also probably change slowly, so one of the goals open you was to. Make sure. The API nasty were decoupled so as long as you know, using the same API level on both sides You could actually swap out individual components if you need to. Assuming that you aren't violating is that you aren't breaking the API, and then since you can sort of independently upgrade the SEK components with hotel p sort of the stop by the fallback. A fallback the default way to export data. You can kind of do whatever you want. The middle in the middle can move very quickly, but it needs to start out in a pretty slow way needs to end in a pretty slow way, so you're not going to be able to. You know you could definitely see extensions or little side projects popping up. That adds some valuable feature that would need to be marshalled into working through these things. or And then be exported through the existing ot l.. P format to go back to the issue around feature parody I think though the process we've taken to address feature parody across different languages basically create talking issues for any Specht changes and address them as they come in on a sake by for each language, basically, for example before the Beta was released, that was. was a list put together by the Technical Committee for open trade of all the features that we we needed to implement for the to be complete, and so basically it was up to each victim, then go off, and ensured list was implemented within their own language and anything that wasn't lamented. We would just go ahead and create an issue for and chocolate that way. For the most part, it's actually maybe less of a huge concern because the real basic primitives, things like context, propagation, or defaulting to w three C trace, context, specification and I know there's like a bunch of other stuff sort of upcoming from trace context but the primitives are really well defined at this point, and you could. Even you know as long as you're. You're using the same sort of kind propagation everywhere than every like the individual hops domes much like let's say I had five different services. You know as long as they're all using the same context prop then I'll get an unbroken trace right I'll. I'll get an unbroken set of tags metrics because that's all being sent around in a way, everyone understands and there should. Should be you know reasonable fallback, so you know if something new comes in it goes into an additional field and service be has been updated, understands that thrust haven't then you would obviously have like out service be is maybe something new is happening here, right? That isn't happening ever royals, but the the basic functionality of tracing hasn't broken for you because you updated. Updated and digging more into the specifics of Python, and the SDK implementation of it. Can you discuss a bit about how that is actually implemented, and some of the initial design decisions or assumptions that were made early on that had to be revised or reconsidered, as you got further along in the implementation of it, and the overall adoption of its use. Yeah, I guess. I can't think of too many assumptions that have been changed since we have started seeing adoption just added like we might. We might still be a little bit too early. In the project or options were made in change might be predating my time on the project. But I guess. One of the more recent changes that occurred was around the propagation of contacts were initially we didn't have a context. Api What we call the context API an open telemetry, so we did have to go to go back and find a way to separate out that context. Hi, from the diplomats using until that that was a fair amount of work But I can't think of other ways that we really had to rework a bunch of the assumptions that we'd made originally actually I can't either. I feel like a middle aged I kind of most of my work at the community level broadly so I, don't necessarily know about all the individual six, but pythons always felt like it's pretty much on the rails. I think some of that is actually just a credit to the people in the Sega obviously, but also python just at a pretty basic level. Has All the features really need, so you don't have to do a here's a good example I should say I can say in process context propagation. If I have a process, and then I have span and then I have a function that I wanna trades independently are to create spam independently, and I'm using multi threaded multi threading of some sort than I need some thing to sort of Marshall like okay. What's the act of span in even point and python really just has all the tools you need to kind of code that out of the box you don't have to. To deal with mainly passing stuff around like go. You don't have the sort of wonky support store. You have around that like in Java script since there's no threads, there's different ways to kind of do this. For the most part. Python has just chugged along very merrily while other cigs were trying to kind of Guam everything together python I. Think it's also partially just like pythons pretty popular. You know, so there's already been. Open, tracing it open census, both had very good python, support and so. There hasn't really been a lot of like a weed till. Like invent this thing. It's more like well. We've done this in the past, so we'll do it this way, but we'll make it more performance or whatever. and. Then for being able to gain compatibility and visibility into the broader ecosystem I know that there are specific libraries for things like Django flask to auto instrument, the peculiarities of those frameworks, but what is the overall strategy or approach for being able to gain broader adoption within the overall ecosystem of web or data or network systems? Things like that. That's the question, so we started out by providing instrumentation for. For libraries that in a we don't win, are fairly popular framework like you mentioned the Django the loss of costs and started saying that there's there's interest from contributors maintainers of works to build libraries that are compatible with open telemetry farther on projects and add to the list, which is which is actually really exciting, because those folks not tools and libraries ends added out and a as far as. Scaling Scaling Strategy. It's a lot more scalable to have folks that are involved in those projects directly contributing instrumentation than to have someone from the opened DRI project. Go Out and learn everything. There is to know about any particular libraries so I think you know. Hopefully that's that's kind of where we're going to be driving as open telemetry gains, popularity, and you know one thing that we've seen, and for example in the world which I think Austin alluded to earlier was that there is plans to adopt open plumtree and the language itself which. Is kind of the best possible solution for the third option of any particular. Standard. I think as a strategy really our goal as a project is to provide sort of. KNOW STABLE INTERFACES good-quality s decay design and a know a support plan right like we. We need to be good shepherds in stewards of what we've built hand. Give people the confidence that they can go, and they can do these integrations right and that we will be able to. Support them through that by you know not boiling the every two months. I think beyond us into this broader you said, approaching and thinking about. How do we integrate this into? More services more managed resources things like cloud providers, and there s ks or make us available through API is now if you like, let's say you use the database API era. A gradual. Library to query something, know maybe getting the person that serves that API to also have open summitry traces, and then be able to independently of turn those to you so that you could actually inspect you the performance of your. Request as it goes across the end, some other system, and then same thing with like you know. Maybe you're running your own database right like. Is there a way that we can get open telemetry into my sequel or into post, says Orinda Mongo, but I think that goes back to the way that will happen is by running the project well, and having it be stable and. Have, have good release management and make it something. Other people can build on. This woman rather think it's also important to make make it easy to to to use the libraries and the API. As possible for anyone who wants to provide that instrumentation to that don't have to spend a tremendous amount of time just learning how to use a particular tool to be able to provide benefits of using that tool for their users, and so I think one of the things that we're spending some time on and the python. is around providing an interface for anyone who wants to provide auto instrumentation for library through the base, instrumental class, and also providing you know like the examples for how some of the other instrumentation have have gone through, and actually been instrumented, and then once you have instrumented your application your generating all of these data, objects and contacts for being able to understand what's happening in. In your system, you still need to have somewhere to send it to and perform analysis on it. So what are some of the existing options for that? And what are some of the ones that are upcoming that you are keeping an eye on? Yeah, it's a great question, so one of the things that I think that opens tree really dramatically simplifies the deployment of telemetry. Through tools like the open collector and through you know kind of a native format like hotel p. so what we're seeing is more organizations. Start to adopt open. Limited protocols can native injust format. I know allied step. We actually I don't know if he's like publicly announced it yet, but it's. It's there so I'll talk about it. But we'll be accepting. Ot LP formatted data to our SAS back end very soon. dorks has done, and I think it's actually in public right now, but we have an updated docs yet, so but in a sort of bigger picture I think having the open. Tell him to collect collector. Be This vendor neutral way to you know aggregate traces in metric data from different sources, and then you know, export them to a variety of back end systems. You know some of which. Will be you know open source like yeager has already come out in kind of pledged adoption to? Hey, we're going to switch over to using the open collector. Instead of our own I would expect other sort of open source projects to. Analysis will start following. You also have the ability to write your own exporter-. and. We've seen a lot of adoption. In that, so companies like Google Microsoft spunk, yeah honeycomb. Who else is probably a few and forgetting data dog as dated on? Have they done a expert yep? Export. Either way the collector makes it very easy for you to sort of to to really have a separation concerns between the people that are maybe integrating open imagery into their base, and then the people that were responsible for collecting data and sending it somewhere you know instead of having to redeploy your application for a big change you can reply collector and say like okay. I want to send this to some other place now, so that's very cool and then because. Because the collector is also completely open-source. You can transform data. However, you like so one of the things that I'm kind of keeping an eye on the I've been talking about is like. Hey, you could just bright. You could could avert your traces to analytic events right, and then you can send them to an analytics provider, or you can turn them into J. Saen and do whatever with them right? You can put them in a big data thing and. Do all sorts of fun queries. Going to. Enable a lot of interesting tools that we haven't seen yet. Things like using traces as a part of automated testing to validate application, behavior or logic flows right. You can sort of imagine situation where maybe in test I have a ton of instrumentation about what's going on in my application, maybe turn some of that off production, whatever, but being able to sort of that out as a dump, and then just do a difference. The last run to see what's changed my calling someone else this new extraordinary P. I or Did I add some. Did I pick up a new service? Dependency or or whatnot? That sort of stuff I think is really cool, and then, in terms of your experience of working with the open telemetry community and working on the specification and some of the decay implementations, what are some of the most interesting or unexpected air challenging lessons that you've learned in the process? Think for me on the challenge of the thank you. It's just how hard it is to get collecting telemetry right. In a way, that's both easy to use and useful to people. I think that's that's been really challenging. And I think the most pleasant surprise by far has been just watching. So many different people from so many different organization, working together and trying to solve these really hard problems I get sped. It's been a really really great experience, so if if anybody's out there looking for an open source project to joy and I think this is a great place to start. Yeah, I'll come most of what Alex said. They're all of it, but I think. There's this. Maybe there's a perception show. I guess the open source community more broadly that quote. Unquote vendor projects aren't good projects or that they're they're not. You know reflective of actual community values, and I think in the case open. I would suggest this may be the counter example where yes, this is a very you know vendor project, a most people working out at working on it I mean they're passionate the subject, but they're also working for companies that are invested in it right, that said. I think any kind of project you have. That is so impactful to the bottom lines of these companies. It's been fascinating to see how how much people are just coming together for the good of the project, right? There's not exactly there hasn't really been a lot of bad blood. There's not a lot of like side taking like. Oh, well, we think this way because our employer thinks this way. people are genuinely engaging, really good faith, and I think it's brought. What is normally a pretty interesting industry? Together at school. See a bunch of people that's. We work for different places in our companies. Our competitors, but you know in here Oracle were all friends were all trying to you know? Solve this very tricky problem in a really good way and I really like the just general industry trend that I've been seeing in a lot of different areas of technology of trying to standardize on the interfaces that are used for interoperability so that the different specific implementations. Implementations of open source or vendor technologies can innovate on the specifics of how they operate, and the capabilities that they provide rather than trying to lock people into their solution, because they are not compatible with the import export options for the other systems that you might want to compose together with them one hundred percent. Yep, there's nothing worse than having to learn a whole new set of tooling languages just to. Make something work with a particular vendor, and then in terms of the open telemetry project itself. What are the cases where it's the wrong choice and somebody might be better suited just using a standard approach to metrics and logging for being able to gain understanding into their system. That's a tough one isn't an option. It's definitely an option. I'll be I mean I think there's probably it's. It's an interesting question. Right because. There's obviously times. It's the wrong choice, but that's less of a technical consideration than it is sort of cultural when I think if you I think it's broadly applicable on. It's generally worthwhile to pursue open planetary especially, if you are in an organization that can kind of handle and adapt to it, but I think there are broadly there are wide class applications that may be. Don't benefit from the Oh like example tracing adds overhead, not a ton of overhead, but it does tracing on the front end especially right now will increase the amount of Java script. Your browser has a download that can be a problem for people, and if it's A. A disqualifying problem for you then okay, you something else, right? We'll try to fix it. We'll try to make it better, but I'm not out here. Saying like Oh, it's perfect than if you don't use it urinated. I, think a lot of you may be embedded devices, or you know things like that. You're probably not going to get the mileage. If you don't have a distributed system, it may be as a little less useful for you. That said eighty percent of the time. It's probably if not the right answer. It's at least a good answer. And what I. The one thing I would say is if you're listening to your thing. The time that it's always the right answer is if you're thinking about trying to do yourself right. If you've looked at your system, you said I need distributed tracing I. I need the sort of things. We can do, but I wanNA build it myself then it a hundred percent, the right answer to US Open. Because I can guarantee you that collectively we have probably put like more thought and time into building open telemetry, and just like one person can right now. You don't have to US Open hundred three with light step. You don't use it with data dog. You don't use any sick of vendor, right? I'm not saying like Oh. You have to pay US money I am saying, don't you know? There's a cost for everything and going. Your own way is going to hurt more in the long run than anything it saves up front in terms of your time or money. Yes, Alica. What what Austin said. They're also think it's important. If you know if you're looking out over open telemetry, you think others it's not that I want for my special case, or whatever it is I think it's important to. To get involved with the community and actually bring that up because it's likely that other people have also run into the same problems or limitations, or whatever it is, that's preventing adoption of open telemetry as it is, and so I think it's it's good that conversation, and at least try to understand all those use cases, even even if it's not supported, today doesn't mean that it won't be supported tomorrow. Thing that's that's something that we're always looking forward to so, and so as you look to the next steps in the near to medium future of open telemetry, what you have in store for it as far as plans and feature capabilities, and what are the areas of contribution that are most vital as you continue down the path of completing the general availability roadmap and moving beyond that I mean I can speak to my in my side of things. You know at a big picture. I. Think you know more integration more auto instrumentation. Instrumentation really trying to make it easy and fast for people to onboard and started using it and getting value from it. That's what I see. You know this year right leg. We've got the basics done or implementing metrics everywhere you know now let's make that useful in terms of what I would love to see people kind of coming in and doing if you're if you're listening to this new, want to get involved. The two things we really need are one is user feedback so people to actually try out and use it and. And tell us what doesn't work and also tell us what works, but also you know if you WanNa, go teach people about this. If you want to educate people about this, we would love to have more people kind of involved in the community helping out writing documentation doing examples. You know it doesn't have to be on our website. on the open side can be anywhere. Do It on dot to or put it on Youtube or whatever, but if you are interested in that, we actually have resources at our website opened dot. Dot Io under the documentation as a learning resource section where you can. Actually you know I mean I, know no one's doing in person. Meet ups right now, but you know we actually have a workshop there that you can adapt a news you know. Maybe you WANNA do a lunch and learn at your company. You can pick up our slides and use those to teach other people open telemetry which I think is a great way to get involved, even if you don't want to really get down in the weeds and get up. Nothing specifically around Python as you mentioned Austin. Reading the Dogs Day examples. We have the open telemetry python. Read the website that you know is up there, and we would love to get some feedback on that and from a contribution stand. We would love to see you know as many folks that are interested in implementing instrumentation for open trees as possible door, and attend our meetings or join us on. Get her were were pretty accessible for anybody who wants to get in touch with either of you follow along with. With the work that you're doing or contribute to open telemetry I'll have you add your preferred contact information to the show notes, and so that all moves into the picks and this week I'm going to choose the PLUMEY. Project I've started adopting that for managing my own infrastructure, and I've been enjoying being able to just write some python, and take advantage of all the system tooling around that for being able to build that my cloud resources so definitely recommend taking a look. Look at that if you're you know even if you're running existing infrastructure and you want to start converting over, it has great options for adopting existing resources so definitely worth a look, and with that all Patio Austin. Do you have any pets this week I've been using a lot of helm three recently. I've been getting more back into Cooper Netease and wow, you know I, I tried helm when it was years ago when it first came out and the headaches of configuration. Configuration setup and Tiller and all that or extremely frustrating I felt made it a great experience, but helm three. They really came around and it. It's it's exactly what you wanted to do. It templates things this and it just works, and it's one binary, and you don't have to install configure stuff. It's great I love it if you've seen him. Before been burned by Tiller by our back or anything else. definitely recommend giving helm, three shot and Alex. how about you? Might pick of the week is algorithms to live by the computer science of human decisions by Brian Christian and Tom Griffith a great. It's a great book on talking about how Algorithms can use in everyday life for applying computer algorithms to how to make decisions. As humans. That's actually a really great. An entertaining read. Yeah! I enjoyed reading that one myself so I'll second fat pick. So like to think the both of you for taking the time today to join me and discuss the work that you're doing with open telemetry Stephanie Very Interesting Project and one that I planned to start adopting for my own system, so I appreciate all the effort that you and everyone else involved has put into it and I hope in dry the rest of your day. Thanks for having us. Looking forward to your. Thank you for listening. Don't forget to check out our other shows. Data engineering podcast at data engineering PODCAST DOT COM for the latest on modern data management. visit the site of Python. PODCASTS DOT COM to subscribe to the show. Sign up for the mailing lists and read the show. And, if people learn something or try to project from the show, then tell us about it. Email hosts podcast in dot com with your story. To help. Other people find the show. Please leave view on I tunes until your friends and coworkers. Talk.

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374. Insights: The importance of cashflows for SMEs - Live at Xerocon

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374. Insights: The importance of cashflows for SMEs - Live at Xerocon

"Hello and welcome to you inside a life firm zero on London twenty nineteen. I'm David debris how's it going. Everybody wonderful wonderful. There are humans here as well. It's great so it's the end of day one add zero CONAN. We know you guys are just about at that level where you would sort of of deciding between do I get my fancy phone to go to the party or do I come and listen to this Wade fintech inside a podcast thing. So thank you everybody for being here tonight and and so for me and the intensity guys. It's really cool to be here zero. I mean this is our third year. Now I think producer Laura so third. Did you hear every year this van gets bigger and bigger and bigger which is which is super awesome wall. It's really sort of build as an accounting event. I'm not really sure y because actually it brings together much broader community in terms of what's happening with Fintech what's happening in technology big banking organizations here. And everybody's sort of in that ecosystem awesome so from the scale and quality of eventually who been here again. It just feels like actually this is really becoming one of the sort of preemies me Eh. B2B FINTECH events. which is fantastic for those? Who've you don't know I'm the CEO of eleven? And I do all sorts of weight and wonderful things which I'm not going to bore. You wins right now and one of the ways that we do connect with people is oversee three this podcast so as I said. We're recording this podcast. At now I'm recording. It live like I said you go so you can't pretend that you didn't hear it later on. So what are we gonNA install feed tonight. Well we generally with FINTECH inside. I have two shows. There's the new show so so we're GONNA do a little bit of like announcements that have been made a zero con today and then actually beginning to like an insight show so actually. That's where we get into the debate. which actually is always really good fun because basically I just love seeing people fund which is good fun so it's going to be very mild mannered? It's all going to be actually what we're doing in the industry. Three wounded in a real fight is that right. There's no actual fights taking okay. The might be an actual fight actually taking so we'll we'll have to see how that plays out. So do I what we're GONNA do so with the the debate. The debate is actually going to be about is what is the most important element of cash lose to. SME's now cashless Ashley with SMS. Is the most critical thing having run a small business for the last three and a half years. I can really testify to the fact that cash flow in all of its weird and wonderful geysers and everything that actually the decisions that you need to be making on a day-to-day based format actually the beating heart of an organization innovation. But we're going to drill down into really what it is that as the most important thing when you do and we have four amazing teams to kind of debate that first first. Let's get on with the announcements and let's get on with the new things so I up. Should we bring up the first story. Yeah it's awkward standing witnesses now. I have to say it is hotel. I'm got to that stage. Get four that would be. Can I answer the debate already. It's payments is that rendon. We'll get into that sure. It's nice to see people eager though so I mean I first story that we had today. Zero Papon is with transfer wise for bill and reconciliation payments. And so. Tell us more about this. We have Craig Walker who is the CO founder and executive GM of payments and billing solutions at zero as going good and also we have Neiman Paris Paris who was the VP of gross at travel is a guy great. I mean this seems like a pretty interesting deal here so you literally announced today at zero. Zero is making it easier for small businesses in their eyes pay reconcile. UK bills on the platform. First domestic bill pay solution from trump's always in the UK right. Yeah tell us a little bit more about it. What does this mean? And why. You're announcing your here. Yes Oh for the last few years. We've put a lot of investment in the ingestion of of bills. So we've had bill's management zero for a long time as about seven million bills decade persist in the UK every month. But we've never completed the the the end of that which is obviously the making payments so we talked a lot about today about the investments. We've done with the acquisition dark and the integration of DOC into Alpilles process Al investments in machine learning. But we really wanted to complete the end of that process which is the actual making of a payment every small business. Every business needs to Percy spills needs to make payments. It's really slow and cumbersome ado that it's really hard inconsistency assistant between banks doing batches and so we just wanted to make it. Seamless like we try and do with every other part of our products and so we partnered in with transfer wise to deliver a domestic UK who payments solution so transfer wise known for the solution But they've helped us build out this. This new pay with transfer wise feature which is now integrated directly into our bill pay process so you can easily easily stayed up a sit up. Connect your transfer wise account and just stop processing bills. It's really easy. And we've had some great feedback today from partners really excited about go. I mean you guys have made a reputation of being sort of easy to integrate. So is this sort of a natural extension of that when we we think about cross border payments and payments in general we realized that not everyone in the world is going to download our Iraq and we need to be where the payments are happening either directly integrated into business payment workflow or with banks today police so now nss our integration into zero off the back of a partnership with go-cart list as well and you can see we can imagine a world where where fifty percents of the volume going through transfers is going is starting with the business and flowing seamlessly through that back and what sort of impact cheating. This'll have that because ASSOC- do this again. I don't WanNa make too much of zero love in the Zero Costas. Thank you very much despite being in a situation where we can do those things things directly actually in it just sort of changes that process quite dramatically. It's all about giving you back time and paying bills is it can be a very time consuming process with when we ran research on doing this bill. Pay Solution here. We're talking to partners. So we're literally printing out a batch. Reconciliation report and going to on the tube to actually tick it off and we can literally literally Save Alice for for some of those prices and remember the bigger the business the more time consuming. This is so it just it just completes a workflow and makes is it. More seamless gives you back times hoping that we save you time. I'll let you know. How did it come about? Is it literally that simple. It's like customers. Said this is a problem that we we needed to solve and therefore we saw is actually the third biggest. It was one of the top three ransom research and it was one of the top three things that customers they wanted which was being able to pay bills and zero so yes. This was coming directly from customers wanting us to have this fantastic from your perspective as a benefit here as well right. It's a huge benefit from a consumer's perspective but actually doing more of that. Actually within the zero terminal is the benefit right. Yeah I I think the benefits in different guises I think one for us is actually getting more bills information We talked today. Should we talking about a cashflow incites product one of the key ways to understand cash flow and I understand your bills and so having payments in. There is just the natural way to think. Well I'M GONNA get my bills in there so I can pay them. Well now. This actually helps me generate cash flow insights sites and really start to understand my business so it actually has flow on a fix else. Will business customers and testing. I mean congratulations on the seems weird. Congratulations Shinzo Partnership makes you feel like you've just got married. But it feels like that. So congratulations anyway. Thanks very much guys. Thank you the okay so next three that we have is only walk and zero working together to improve. SME lending so come to the stage guys differen- applause so we have a Ben Johnson who is payments and lending ownership lead at zero. And we have have Laura Gilman. Who is the chief product officer at Walker? How's it going guys good? How are you very good? How many three bacteria now? So I'm they were doing well. The debate is going to be. I meant to be keeping all during the debates. But we'll see what happens centrally so so the say so in August it was announced anti Walker Walker with the recipient. So congratulations on you guys. Actually from a funding perspective everything that came through from the Remedies Fund with yes. Yeah and it was a pretty big one ten million in on policy which is pretty amazing and I think one of the key parts with your commitments. Actually that were the public commitments. That were made with it with amount. The open lending partnership with zero. Absolutely tell us a little bit more about that and actually see. That was six months ago. Now is that right No no so. We actually just got announced in August August so the remedy remedies exactly. The kind of that was really go. Live for us to really crack on. So what happened. Since congratulations ten million then what happens is actually we kind of got to work so this is obviously a core part of our commitments and with our application. We were kind of excited about it because with a lot of to do is really double down on new products. Really also start thinking more about where. How can we make finance more? Accessible so are kind of ambition was bringing finance when and where and how customers needed and so open lending out made us realize that we really need to build on our technology our infrastructure to to make it more conceptual and more available and so zero this kind of cornerstone partner to that allows us and basically kind of started doing that right away. Yeah I mean what does this mean from a zero contacts perspective. Yeah absolutely so. Over the last couple of days at the conference you'll see that zero is owning and kind of helping build workflows for small businesses. Send voices and run reports manage cashflow. A sort of went over to finance business ourselves so for us to really effectively help businesses get paid faster and grow with got a partner with kind of best best in class solutions and figure out how logically embiid those solutions within zero and so much like you've seen in payments over the last couple of days we've sort of identified by waking capital and actually being Catholic positives really hard for small businesses but they identify that need when they endure. You're probably kind of beans is the resources to go. In a researcher that customers understand how they want to excess capital on the platform and then ideally tap in some of the expertise expertise that I walk has sort of Laura's team and the business kind of build those products out in the right sort of way so we're super excited. We're nothing's I add onto. That is an important part of this is how do we take off the cognitive load of finance. It's quite as decisions to make around. What kind of what kind of structure? How does this work visit good for me? Who do I go for? You're and actually by making this objective making finance more textual. The aim is really to help small businesses. Just make it feel more natural like a solution that works. They say you've got the point where the problem is being identified in the solution to that problem. It's it's quite a natural fit so I mean so how far down the line are you now. Because I imagine the day after you're like ten million pounds and she now the reality of everything that's happened with so for you. You know for everybody who's listening. We've talked to this a bunch of times before remedies fund that he was eight hundred sixty. Three million pounds obvious gave away to various different people. That's an interesting something to kind of have and actually in the context of SMS. Face is just huge so this is really where we start to see. It's the the solution moving much closer to where the problems being identified right. Yeah and I think it's probably important from our side what's happening. Concurrently is so this is one of our commitments are the commitments around bringing new products to market. And so while we're working with zero to understand what is the right context. What will work for zero customers? What makes sense for them? We're also simultaneously working on. What are the great new products that customers need or other commitments are introducing? A personal guarantee. Alone require personal guarantee and also bringing a new product to market which is called Walker pay. which really does is kind of fit that idea of? How can we make payment terms easier for both buyers and suppliers easier engines while we studied the context and understand how I walk as engine engine can be used for zero customers specifically? It's also allowing us to really accelerate our product development and more holistically as well so that gives us more options of things you can build with zero. What and the matching their product and distribution in that sense actually usually when you come up with a good idea for products is let's see how many people we conditions a great audience just to release that thing to which I mean it sort of changes the game to surgery it does and I think the wonderful thing about zero customer base? We've got got half a million subscribers here in the UK that already sort of actively engaging with Fintech an apps through our API and so actually introducing new technology to our customers is is already kind of pushing on open door and so we're really excited. I guess phase one of research and prototyping is actually usually talking to the ten thousand counting partners. We work with and a half million customers. We work with saying. Does this resonate this kind of the right situation to introduce you know working capital tv or is it just kind of not been ordinance in this context once we figure that out and we think I walk on to help us do that. We know that we've got like eight hundred plus APPs system that can help contribute at the right point in the workflow of the life cycle. So where we're at right now to onto your question is using you know using the resources of the funding are Wocka to really understand. Where is the most effective place within zero to introduce capital similar to how we've done with with payments? Listen and open it makes huge amounts. So congratulations I'd to hear it's going so well and look forward to seeing how it develops small so next March for drinks all right folks so now we're going to get into the debate bits. We're going to get into this sort of the the sort of loving argument it were. It's GonNa be really interesting. We've got a group of people who was super passionate about the subject matter in terms of what they're doing so it's GONNA be fantastic testing to see how they plan this out so what we're going to be doing on the F.. Debate is really looking at again. What is the most important element when it comes to catch lose to estimate your win? Four teams of two each representing one cash flow stage in. SME Lifetime. So what we're GONNA be doing is they're all each of them are going to be going head to head for the debate. And we have those four teams which are spending payments lending and forecasting and which one of these is most important when it comes to actually managing cash flow. A as an estimate. So if you please welcome to the stage all of the contest contest I'm going to get very dangerous co hosting I think on this one. I feel it coming out in me already. So if you're welcome to the stage so we have teams spending so we have collar. Who is the CEO of Solo giveaway rent? Goes we also have frankie who is from final faulk as guys great. Okay thank you. I mean I don't really have to ask you where you're from. Those jumpers it's It's very loving swag okay. Next have team payments so this is sued who is from is the VP of international expansion at go cordless. We also have Jonathan Bar Ham. Who is the director and Co.? I found a radio goes. I mean I love the swag again. Like it's it's like the like really you're setting a high bar for whoever. The third one is all three of you. Say All right team lending we have any will stoker who is the CEO. The auto market invoice as well as Lauren Harvey. Who is the founding director at full stop? It's got I mean slightly understated mark in boy swagger. I'M NOT GONNA lie after this. This was a Alibaba and loss. We have team full costing so we kind of Dawson. CEO and founder and Richly and Nicky Adams director at and Vlam. I've always wanted to be a game show host. But I've never ever had the hair for it. I feel this is my moment okay. Welcome teams. I don't know why I'm camping this up so much. It's it's a very strange thing. I'm I hope you guys are sitting pretty pumped around this year already to battle your signs. You'll know what you're doing for. And against essentially yeah. We'll get the guy feeling on the the argument I know you are. You've been putting off before so this is how it's going to go all right. We'll kick off with ninety seconds seconds opening debate from each of the four teams fast forty five seconds per person. I presume you what I was going. It's this is essentially battle raps APPs for accounting things which I think is going to be an interesting format to see how this works so often that initial opening debate all opens. The floor in terms of debate is to to basically basically argue among amongst yourselves some of countering. What's the other people have sent? And then you guys from Audience Participation Perspective have the have the ability ability to ask any questions that you want to and be brutal and this is going to be hilarious if the more brutal you guys are the more. It's so get another drink right now. It will make it much more entertaining. I think everybody who comes up. And then the teams can give summing up arguments to you guys is the audience to basically decide with a round round of applause when I go through the teams which one wins and we can you explain it to me. And he volunteered to explain. Its Main Helen. Okay all right teams that you guys ready all right so you guys ready all right cool so the opening question for the debate. So why is the most important terms of resolving cash flow and how does this benefit. SME's a the other life stages so team spending so call Franken. You guys are up first right and gives you pitch. Are we ready with the line. Because I'M GONNA be. I'm going to be like really straight time. Timing starts out as a contrarian us on one thing just to challenge the challenge. And that's how else would you say that reading is more important than eating or drinking. Let's just say that without ours is a full stack. Company will die just in a different way is showboating allow shooting. Had you said that. Of course I can only say one thing. It takes money to make money. You have to spend money to your business to bring in over and to do things without knowing where your money's going all your typical end up in a very tight spot and that's why in control of your spending. You means two things on one hand ebeling spending without which you don't do anything in a business so you don't go very far on the other hand without knowing you're spending the wall. Sometimes you end up opening the door with nothing on it. Then very tasteful pasta say spend management that it's something that exists from day one all the way through the life cycle of a company and for accountants. Education is the most important thing from day one and it will change so they won't is how to reclaim back on our lives. Put through company. Five is I need a purchase order system. I need some security. I need to know how my employees eight and spending my money education or the way your life cycle without control your nothing stronger finish. Love loved the fear fire in those is to you going specifically so we'll move to you now so okay so onto team payments then so you. You're ninety seconds. Karate look producer. Laura all right doing good business is about finding the space to do the stuff that you really care about sometimes about the financial space. It's about the cash it's about having visibility of when you're going to get paid some about the emotional space it's the well being is the sensitive certainty and confidence that you're GonNa get your money when when you need it and when you expect it when we think from payments perspective about solving cashflow we think about it almost almost like a car these guys over here that the traffic cops that fast. They're going to slow you down having too much fun. These guys here Satnav. They're marginally better than MOM cry. We just use we. Could we could just use the signs. They work just as well. Frankly these guys down the end the spare tire. They're gonNa get you home. Maybe maybe maybe get into the garage but then going to get you all the way to destinations like skyping. Dr Payments Payments is the engine payments. Is What makes your cargo. All right with is trying to throw shade. Let's move onto the next next once. Very nice right and I think pet kind of like Petra was also the payments pay this the fuel that goes into that makes everything work when we work with businesses. I think we see is people. Don't go back to run a bad business. There really conscious about being bad. Hey it's business. Owners hate being late with stuff like that and the reason that late is because they don't get money and so when we went with a new business and we can chuck and Geico or another payment system. The game changes they won. It's a major. It makes a massive massive difference. Arcane speaking of and I have to cut you off there okay so Next up we have team lending so you guys ready to give you a ninety seconds and absolutely I go so everyone knows that cash flow is the biggest killer of businesses. It's the lifeblood of any business and right now in this uncertain time. Same having access to cash can give you the winning edge and if you don't have access to cash flow or finance things are going to get more difficult and and it used to be that businesses were scared of lending. It was difficult to go and get finance but now there are a plethora of different fintech lenders out there super easy to use integrated. It's smart easy. That can provide the ignition to light up your business plan. So I would just say that ultimately revenue is vanity prophet is vanity as well is is sanity and cash flow is the reality so you have to focus on focus on your cash flow. Yep so so as I was saying for us thanks to all these other areas were now able to have the right discussions leaders to be able to help with lending lending so we've got great forecast in place we've got the spend management in place but it the innovation and the real the value add is for an organization where we are the default default cakes to go to have the discussions about moving forward by having the right Lyndon in place team lending really rebuilding bridges between we knew artem focusing gives way to go. I think this is really nice. We unusual but only going to get lending without full cost. You know you didn't really know what to focus on on payments without getting forecast because you know unfortunately it's one of those areas that's the most difficult for small business small business to understand and spend management. You take what you can spend that doing forecast so I'm sorry slammed on. Yeah thanks for coming. This is enough for your time right. This is a Satnav and we're gonNA take you home to the success for Your Business. So you're right. You knew what to focus on because it's not all in the pl what about the VAT payments what about Hmo. What about all those things? I I enjoy uh-huh whether you're GONNA have them or not. This is the point unless you have a forecast and you drive your car. You're driving like this. You're driving your car looking through the rear view America because you can you can drive without Satna but hit who hit drawings that not many not one of you in central London who to he drives. You wouldn't recommend any of your friends start a business without one knowing where they're going to go on and so on that note you don't want I'm going to do is open up the floor and I want everybody to be reasonably friendly so far like I don't WanNa have to separate you guys but if you guys can now get go if you want to Kind of follow bank. If you want to snap back to anybody's kind of point that they made now is the Time magazine has an interesting point but look straight away well about payments because Chicago card. Listen you know when you paint coming in. What you need isn't isn't that one day? Payments is one element what about the revenue side of things. What about the staff implications about money in just one element? Your one element into question is should we have gotten going without an engine without without an engine. The Amy yes business the business do you have a business. If you can't collect payments between you you know what I find is that you know we forecasts. But what you do when you don't have thank you for forecasting see the forecast teams together to basis that all companies need to understand spend management granted. Rented these guys as well. We need the money's come in any money to spend but you need to spend money to make money for business just spends this new absolutely education comes back to the small businesses. need to understand US first. They need to understand every principal about business first before they even get to your end of the stage because if they don't understand the more the implications of the forecast if you don't know what what you're able to spend a wild spending and understand that we're faced tells you expect some what you can spend as your revenues. That's the whole point and then you bring in a solution to help you do those things but you you to be able to understand viable you need a forecast one. You need to understand spending. Can't spend more than your revenues companies. Today I mean you can't spend more than you revenues but you're pretty screwed up on you to be. It's it's a time of course to build a business you spend more than you. Revenues in order to have higher level of revenues. That's that's the the Energy November author the forecast that you're overspending if you don't know what the behaviors that you are undertaking today. What impact that they have on the future? You're screwed anyway so if you if you're spending faster astor then you're collecting us back to the thing is you take funding. And you don't know the implications fully fund to have on Your Business you're listening to ABC one size to wants the blood this about me so you can I I suppose yeah. We can argue a little bit. Just one thing you said said it's spend management. It's not the expenses absolutely amazing. Getting out going transact business could Ni- I was saying enough money or if you haven't got enough money so in a state that's the hardest concept of four. You know cashflow focus is the hardest thing for an SME business owner who's got known financial knowledge the hardest thing for them to understand in my opinion all right on that note on that. I'm going to draw one because I feel we might be smashing territory is just good to move on Stage Neil I saw the raging move on Adler. We'll save it for the legs around saying check all right so that concludes the opening arguments and to be fair to plead. The competition is clearly heating up. So we're going to be doing these going onto the next question. So which category has seen the most digital innovation. So it's GonNa be really interesting to see so so I think in terms of each team having two minutes on the on the clock and I think getting that that view of where we where we go to so yeah I mean starting with you guys has how has your area's seen a significant digital disruption. So I if you just look outside that it shows the amount amount of advancement in monitoring employee expenses use insult to control that. And no one's coming in if approval Max that controls who vise Watt Am Y. You've not receipt bank for capturing it it's it's out there that shows the advancement on our side. I and that's my point. I mean that was a good twenty three seconds well based on the first question time. Let's say I'll Japan so I won't think B. Contriving point of view and I would say we're just beginning to stretch the surface so what he can be done the whole point. He's not just. The basic transactions are going action the whole logic nick and the management of all the processes that are behind money getting out in one way or another so exactly as practicies going from compliance into advisory. Because that's the value added. Were we still have a long way to go. From the execution of payments aints into the fall and management of the reason why people pays more still doing bank transfer. We need to pay invoices I see so payroll bringing the intelligence of understanding the why of the business integrated into the business into the banking size banks today. You know nothing about the why I move money from to be. That's my job not enough. I don't do compliance anymore practice. I do advisory because that's not off enough. This is the evolution. We're just at the beginning. Nice with ten seconds to spare feeling confidence. Love it moving on so you WANNA use a the second. Let's let's say law. You're going to give them ten seconds to say I'm sending the law to revenues because historically early evolution and ovation in the revenue side has receded. Anybody else because it's where you start paying all right guys. You got two minutes. Let's tell us which is seen the most digital innovation so far when you look at payments in the innovation across. It's been absolutely incredible way. You used to have a small oh grief of high street. Banks monopolize an in manipulated that industry for small businesses and after the outset set a cardis account in kind of a handful of minutes get linked linked to zero. Get Money Rolling in two. Now we're seeing stuff with zero pay and being able to manage the outgoing payment process as well. It's just incredible now. The power that small business owners can the have and the borders to entry effectively. Just completely gone and it's it's kind of some of the other things here. The innovation across the whole of the industry is incredible but in some places we kind of digitizing things existed whereas in payments. You're taking something that just couldn't be grossed for small businesses and giving too nice. Yeah I mean I fully agree. I think I should start by saying I think there's been a ton of innovation across the board and that's not being friendly. I'm slightly worried about getting jumped. On the way to the contextualize this modus found onstage track. All there's been a ton of innovation everywhere I think going on Jonathan's point this the salient the question is what was the past. What is the future look? Like what is the president like we look at the past and payments. It's bank transfers. Its checks remember those in the US still fifty percent of the payment volume goes through that mechanism with go along listeners in the US defended people on this unbinding stating. I'm I'm just telling you it's true truth to power help in the past where we are now is a world where you can access payments through accounting software elsewhere through whatever kind of software payments are in the cloud and Jonathan just said. We're just starting to unlock the potential so cost audit. That's something that we've that. She just announced recently ourselves and zero doing stuff with transplant as well which is fantastic looking at things looking at ways to improve the reconciliation reporting experience looking ways to make everything that you do as a business owner. Integrated seamless friction. This so that you guys can focus on what you actually care about which is running your business and I think the caller said payments is led the way payments will continue to lead the way and I'm super excited about where we can go with a second dispath. We'll go into full cost crossed. I'm showing my age here but we've been in practice for eighteen years and the the element that's really frustrated me as as a business owner and in practice in our clients is not having decent forecasting tools and having to use lemon excel. Can I spend so you can go a little less than a business completely. So we've been waiting for products like futures coming so I'm going to post. I was so we strip it back from you. Look at businesses. Today they any business in fact. You know that you're making a decision here an effect something over here here. You have a full-time finance function you don't have analysts. But you do that. You're working reactively with what you've got. And it's not the financial data that you have but the non financial TESA has often. That's where you're making the decisions so walser has been to date a ton of innovation in our sector. What we're going to start seeing we're going to be leading leading? The way is connecting this ecosystem together from a decision making for cussing perspective because actually we have to layer in all of the elements of high customers behavior. Ah You're behaving with suppliers what happens with payments was happening below the fold within the balance sheet. Can I take one more soft cannot should I can. I do treat any product act line. Do I need to move premises all of those things if I do it blind without understanding the implications of it. I don't know whether I need funding. I don't know whether I need. I don't know why needs to do so being able to re imagine a new experience that changes customer behavior changes consumer behaviour behavior because actually forecasting dursey word. Does you know it's something that people do for funding events today. It's not being used as a sign of and that's the behavior that I think that the innovation you'll see our sector is going to start changing. It will be a completely different. Behavioral driver will prioritize the most important things that they need to action that will impact the future of their business everyday like bang on two minutes. That was impressive. You practically staff lending so we would argue that lending is one of the hardest things to innovate right because with lending you have to not only take data have a great customer experience variance. You have to make sure that money that goes out comes back with interest and This is a very very tough thing to do. I'm why it's one of the loss preserves of the banks the Thanksgiving controlling it for so long because they had the data can locked up. Now we're able to ingest it through integrations and be able to make these decisions faster and better so I would would argue that. Actually the biggest innovation is around the stuff. That's the hardest and you know without getting too personal. Payments is plumbing is just you know infrastructure. Their cash flow is nice. Tell people they need festival cost. Forecasting is nice to like spacey's taking debt inputting into charts. which is we know that? That's funny yeah hardest thing so it will do is you. Go and say I need money. I need one hundred bounds business and the innovation around that is the toughest and what's happening now. Everything's accountants and I very much cozma myself running a business as well. I think it's super exciting. We've got this new way to help. Businesses we've been helping them with spending and buying and forecasting for centuries all. That's what we've been for a now as a business where able to help with lending to so the maximum value are you can give to a business. I mean if you can afford the payments the forecast we'll tell you about using two minutes and find out. Okay so you guys done you get you can you. I mean I can give you another twenty seconds if you want to show fine. Okay cool so I I mean I think there's a good argument sat out for most of these players and I mean I'm sure you have a favorite but we do maybe a minute of closing in statements across the piece so if we do one minute across all of you so when I mean each to closing statements and then it comes to you in the audience to basically can you decide who wins. Okay so really. Pay attention to this last one because you guys are basically deciding who wins US enough. So starts wrap-up make it the best minutes. Give your life both come on so yeah about us as we said as as payment or let's let's say more general any kind of spend or even more in general any kind of process handling money and information about money. This is just the beginning regaining. What we're building is the next step is a few think what has been the greatest level of innovation? It's not the greatest red is level of innovation. What we've seen so far? That's not even started the movie. It's just you know the trailers before the movie starts what's going to happen is a blend blend between the bank and information about the bank. Something that has been separated at birth or regionally by the difference between a regulated Business Bega Bank and the formation technology business information about this thing and and between these two words. There is a huge gap field with manual labor. In the coffee's No had pedal so that's that's the future what we're building something tonight. It's your time building and that's and that's me building a platform for everybody and we're trying to be infrastructure. Somebody just infrastructure. Yes we will. We want to be the infrastructure and in any stuck you build things from going give twenty seconds twenty seconds spend management is something that has accountant we can educate our clients on something accountants. A weird obsessive. What our clients by that means? We're talking to them. Educating them if they don't understand it they're going down the toilet because they will spend all their money that they don't have they need to understand the pattern and the growth of their company and how to flex spending ending the software tech outside gives accountants insight control. We can give advisory and make sure that you could make sure that people stick to spend incorrectly and they manage their money if they don't manage it. You're all out the pitcher all right. Thank you team spending all right. Tim Payments You got two minutes to wrap up. So obviously we've got four really important elements here part of the thing running small businesses. You face a huge amount of uncertainty. You need the planning piece and you need the other bits to help you through but none of it works if you don't have lifeblood coming in cash coming ability to manage it and control it. I mean anyone who owns owns a business news. And I've I've been through this myself having switched on guardless in my own business about four or five years ago that first time payments automatically drippin's my bank count next like phone calls no emails to chase none of that stuff that causes stress. I mean the the love and his team is real genuine. But you know you you threaten that breakdown of relationship as soon as you have to chase people having that certainty not controlling your hands Roslyn relying on something else or you know before cost where you're guessing and what's happening you've got real certainty that what's going to happen. That's when kind of life suddenly gets easier as a business owner to agree and I think I'll Say which is agrees Jonathan. All of these are important being a successful small business of any size but the question. We're trying to answer here is what's the most valuable aspects of cash twist means so the question I wanna ask you guys in the audience is this which is if you could only we do one of these four things. Which one would you do? You need to spend management cool. Do you have a business no. You're not lending JEB business. You need to forecasting you've got some nice charts. Do you have a business. Knows your entertainments you business. You're a business owner congratulations. That's what I want to say. Somebody was makes a semantic argument. Was that one guy this guy but yes interesting all right thank you very much team payments so full costing you got woman each. Can you register. Yeah all right so I think things before. So you know if he's been discussed today about education and the talking point in the central focus is the forecast. You can't have a conversation the station with your clients. You don't really know what to focus on an issue. Donna forecast it difficult concept for small business to understand so when you look at the growth curve. We live tax morning. That gap is because business. Don't understand the the impact and the only way we can we educate them used to have a forecast and then explain how cash impacts in their focus. What if scenarios okay? Now you guys can do. What if scenarios chart things are pretty charts? It's not aww chart says if I taking data whether it's financial or nonfinancial it's about US using the best and ai and machine learning to predict forward is about putting a human element to that is well. Because we're not psychic. I wish we were you know. But we're not overlaying the assumptions of the business simply by taking obsolete. Absolutely what that business needs to know. I'm presenting it in a prioritized action feet. Says these are the things that you need to focus on the things they need to focus on May then then be one of our friends here but they will never get the business until we've told them that they need it in the first place. I rest my case. Thank you very much team. Forecasting trusting team lending. You'll closing givens please. So we started market finance because we wanted to help people companies that wanted to raise money. Get the cash. They need to fill ambitions ambitions. And we all know. Imagine you're sitting and you've got your team your startup team and you're doing great product Amazon. Selling on Amazon making a lot of prophet. The Amazon is going to take you ninety days to pay you right. Someone comes in and says we can. It's okay we can pay people. That's okay wow Catholic forecasting we. I can see that we have a whole but there's only one thing that can fill the hole while you're waiting to be paid by Amazon and you want to do other stuff for that money. And that's working capital cash flow. That's what finance can do for Your Business. We want to solve that frustration. When you're looking at the plan and you don't know how to get the cash to to solve what you WANNA do with there to help you and I think that's the most important thing and what we can achieve as accountants of eighth grade you know we love businesses we love tack increasingly and we've taking advantage of all these lovely other teams that were F- against tonight for us as a business? What are we doing now? What's the answer next? You know the. So what's it's I found this guy or this isn't going to work quite as I four. What do about it so I go and speaks for traditional bank managed? Do I go into to somebody else or seen as you mean so well. Can you help me with this and you know what. Yeah now we can. Feroze is just been. I never trained to do this. But it's so great that we're now doing fantastic okay. So now you guys are sort of in charge really. I think it sort of comes down. I think we've heard pretty good arguments. I think you'll save from from each. Ud's these camps. And what I WANNA do is get a round of applause for everybody. The that was just so I knew that you could. So that's good so we know that you can so now what. I'm going to buy a round of applause. What I wanna hear is your vote and only vote for one of them? Don't go voting for everybody. Everybody gets a medal. One of those scenarios okay in terms of the order of who you think has won the debate. Okay ready okay so at the end. We've God's team spending so give them a random pools if if you think. They won the debate not spending clapping for themselves. Their team payments given around pools the team full costing ran applause and and team lending producer. Laura I think this is like a is there. A split decision decision is it essentially between forecasting a lending forecasting forecasting and calm and payments women's. Okay so we're going to narrow it down to two funnest. I'm sorry guys apologies so so if you if you believe that it's fourteen payments Gimme a round of applause. If you think it's a team full forecasting gives a random. I think I'm going to have to get it to team. Folks the celebrate alcohol in the which I D I feel. It's almost roam free. Asked so congratulations on the wind. You would you like to make some sort of winning speech at this stage. We want to thank the participants for coming and win the right decision. I mean you were pretty confident beforehand. I'd say so I'm GonNa Take Dash. I love to see the sports. They come in and congratulations to win. Canady commiserations which is hard to say after three days off -ticipant so I'm not gonNA say did really well but well done full of the arguments So on that note that concludes a very special fintech inside alive and zero on twenty eighteen ninety. Thank you so much of our guests so Craig Walker Demand Perez Ben Johnson. Laura Gilman from team spending. Give them around again team payments. Give them another round of applause from team. Lending give them a round of applause and all winners gave team forecasting of around of applause. Thank you so much for everybody zero for giving up the stage this evening and thank you to everybody for listening. If you've loved what you've heard this name subscribe insider on spotify and all the other areas you can find a pulse. Thanks thanks very much goodbye.

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"Baseball tonight the podcast this is the baseball tonight podcast for Thursday October twenty four two thousand Nineteen Broglie producing back in Bristol Troy Farkas thought came the day and of course the games throws wildly down the line Kendrick is into score behind him Cabrera Zimmerman slides into second and it is anoc for Cabrera and it is six to two for the nationals and the Presley pitch at a breaking ball bounce weekly towards third here comes Bregman bare hands throws and he took twenty eight point four seven seconds to circle the bases the longest jog around the bases in this entire postseason according to Long Way and Outta here for a home run up above the Crawford boxes and Washington has a three two lead here in the seven the nationals rally would continue they would load the bases after an intentional walk to want Soto the first intentional walk issued by the Astros the entire scene is lead early my man Dan Schulman on ESPN radio now one of the players in the answers who has struggled in this postseason is Alex so ball mapped it up a bit but it's in the zone for strike free called Andy ending is over and man was Strasbourg fired up top bregman he came to the plate in the bottom of the first against Stephen Strasburg with a runner on base to two in a swing this the way and a swing in a liner into center field for a base in Turner will come into score Soto will come into school Henrik stops its second to eleven to two clinic hitting clinic the nationals are putting on the Astros ballpark Chris Singleton it is scored a base hit he had to go a long way to his left a play would have been tricky but if he picks it up cleanly the first time he probably has a play two outs in the bottom of the sixth inning pinch or Kyle Tucker at the plate we'll be the last picture tonight for Stephen Strasburg runners go three two and was I player from Hawaii to ever hit a world series homer and asks Zouqi Crosstalk and played he looked up at his family in the stands and gave that Mahalo sign with both hands really cool anthony random get the nationals going look back at tournament second at a pitch swung on it hit pretty well to left field back those Brantley he'll turn it off the scoreboard and the lead grows as Washington now leads ten to two and eating just racing around the basis right now one of the fastest homerun trucks you will ever it's Alex pragman lack exchange up above the box off the back wall too chiming in right there so the nationals had a twelve to three lead bottom of the ninth inning a lot of the seats empty and this is what it sounded like another Z.. Pointing into the dugout up above the third base dugout to somebody who might be their family or friends now making his way back into the Dugout the celebration continues for these nationals as they continue to extend the lead on Houston and the two two on the way and a fastball seventh-inning I better to the plate Kurt Suzuki the one on the way to the Washington catcher and a swing and a high drive deep left field so sukey hit it cast verleger in Strasbourg would hold serve into the sixth inning with the score still to all Stephen Strasburg wearing gown had runners on base first and second nine to right center field and that is a basic trotting around third is Soto he'll come into school Kendrick goes first to third on the RBI single by Cabrera Season Howie Kendrick who's at the plate here's a swinging to grab onto the left or Bregman accidental picks it up drops it again and everybody's safe in Iran will store not too for the nationals from James swinging the ball drill deep bright field Adam Eaton wines into the seats for a two run homer over to tie the damn who boy did he need that and this team need that and soon as he hid it he pointed into the Astros Dugout it caroms over to center field and two runs will come into score on the play random clapping his hands a two run double and the national and hasn't been much different these two games Max Strauss and given a heck of Baffert and then we just kind of find a way to manufacture Ron's push runs across it goes into Basit and an RBI for Kendrick entered his fortitude nationals and thereafter the floodgates completely opened and the one two a two two and a swing and a week rambaud awards third charging random fires defers in time to get sick and that's the ballgame the Washington walk out of Houston up to do this I don't know I don't know it's a good question I know we lean on our pitching all year don't you think ballplayer Stephen Strasburg talked about pitching for the first time in the world series you know I think as as a kid you know you have those those it happened to benefit from it you hit a world series home run around the bases you're pointing at someone what was that like can't take that away from me it's digging up two games to die and right after that I talked with automating Adam you guys Space Garrett Cole and Justin Verlander Games wanting to and the story of the play offs worse you mentioned the home run by Suzuki in the seventh inning what was it like in the dugout when he does that to give you guys a late it's I mean service in here with you and having this conversation so you know we're all of emotions you know point to my family like I always do and you know my two boys at home better dreams but at the same time you know you you're playing a game because you love it and I love playing games so I'm gonNA play it as long as I like I guess a million times throughout the playoffs you know they gave you a kind of a crack in the door and he just tried to knock it down and I'm not sure what ending it was it's been such a blur a little relief you know you of course have a lot more but just to break that tie that's been in since the first inning Playoffs are so crazy you know you get to along when this team was down you know I felt like we had starting pitching can keep us in the ball games and once we got healthy things change and we also probably wasn't months ago so fell grade I think you'll just just the fact that you know just to help the team out anyway I can you know whatever it was and manager says he wishes he was a betting man I wish I was a betting man but I'm not I don't I don't really believe in that stuff as long as I can and you know hopefully there's there's championships but you really have to focus on what you can't control and that's so special to me you know I've talked about it I'm on a house money little boy from Springfield Ohio never thought in a million million million years runs around the bathroom both teams that you've ever go spied it's like okay who's GonNa make the first big move here you know once you make that big move thanks pieces start to move and because boys never gave up now right after the game the astros players held a players only meeting to talk about their situation Justin verlander spoken but You know the beginning zoo gets home run there and enroll blaze walks. I think that's really the point game is when roadway walked after that when we kinda got some momentum so Bob what I believe in is is hard work being consistent what we do and stick into our process and we did that said national's come to Houston and they take both a one run affair game walk and I'll blowout win here tonight in game two in the nationals were going honor respect you know he he does some amazing things of the bats as you've seen throughout the playoffs in these Games you know I don't know I think it's warranted though it all out on the field Kurt Suzuki talked about his tiebreaking home run in the seventh inning man I I can't remember last Barrett a ball up like that it felt great for like months ago reporters after that I think the message is just don't don't hang your head you know we've didn't play our best baseball you know he's in Gore way you know when you're not clicking on all cylinders but you know like I said I don't I don't think anybody should go home tonight feeling bad about themselves in seventeen so we've been here for Jeff Bloom is a color analyst for the Astros on television during the regular season he was on with Freddie and Fitz Simons Clutch gene right now in the world series it's been really bad the nationals take games wanted to the world series in Houston let's asleep but you know for them how about the respect for one Sodo the first player intentionally walked by the Astros all year based on what he's done in the first two games we got we don't have time Alex Bregman talked about his level of confidence there's a lot of baseball left in the series and we're going to go to war go off day tomorrow you know we don't have we don't have time to feel bad about ourselves so reset and come in to an environment when I was going to be talking about the astros situation row now you know the wheels are turning in the city of Houston and there is a little bit of panic set again and you know if I always get get some runs on the board and we've ever put some runs up in the later part of the innings it sound from mlb dot com Dave Martinez the nationals owner right now the offense is absolutely you know I hate to say it because I work with these guys but the the offense is absolutely inept it was another over five been a little bit tighter games and it wouldn't be you know twelve to two game and we've made he saw flashes of brilliance you could say that the astros maybe have the ability to turn the the effective and they just keep coming at you you know experienced guys who put the ball in play and that all played out last night would you say you it does ally with Sunday night baseball's Jessica Mendoza on ESPN radio and I remember a conversation you guys had in the clinching game as they finish their sweep over the cardinals and he talked about their offense jess horrific they were injured they they were not the team that you see now but from that date moving forward so we're talking mid may no one has scored more runs with runners in scoring position they left behind guys on base and if they're not able to hit the ball out of the ballpark consistently they're going to have a tough time scoring because they don't have that about you know we all talk about the starting pitching but that offense it may not be as dynamic as the Yankees offense or the Astros offense but man it is highly season to get to this point and I'm not trying to take away from Garrett Cole and Justin verlander but it did not surprise me at all to see them put together Russian with their heads held high ready to go and get after we've lost two games before I remember when we lost three in New York and the world is coming to an end and then next thing you know we're in the world series the bats and as you said the length of their lineup even though doesn't get the same attention they've been doing it for a long time I feel like that the two plate appearances but they've gone under the radar because of that start they were in the whole they weren't one of the better teams to begin with and so no one was giving them the attention in on honestly because they've got crazy and be ready to play baseball we can you know we have re ballclub. We've had plenty of downsides season obviously it's magnified in the World Series folks here in Houston are less pumped after what we saw on games one and two of the world series Look at you know I listen to you and BOOB. Do the National Championship series today is in the studios of get up jess good morning to you good morning from New York City pumped the May turn out to embody the entire world series happened in Game One you had Garrett Cole on the mound the best pitcher in baseball and he's facing wants Soto I want US had a better run differential no one's better record I mean this is ben the best offensive team and you could argue a lot of other areas as well but they flat out hit buster because they were hit hard but because of where they were hit in the wheels were just coming off then there was the wild pitch and it just felt I mean you even go back to Justin Berliner I felt like if you're gonNA take a Gif of the entire game of like what it felt like to be in astro or an astros fan it's just berliner came off the mound fell down and then threw the ball office I mean honestly this has been a team buster and it's been so much talked about nineteen thirty one start but if you go back to that may twenty third dates basically I fifty games of the season where they just Strasburg in Corbin insurer the reason they were winning in everyone's minds was because of their starting staff I also look back to the games that we called the N. L. D. S. L. C. S. the that I've talked to in Houston has ever seen a left-handed hitter hit a home run before that embodies what we've seen so far from the Astros and the nationals where it feels like for the first nine the nationals have gotten punch right in the mouth and you could see a total meltdown in the late innings last night from them in a way that you don't typically see from the Astros think of it as being quite as good as the Astros rotation but now that we're into the three and four spots there's a decided advantage Anibal Sanchez in game three and then in game four you're probably GonNa Patrick Corbin Day Martinez has announced that yet so now the astros have to get back into the series while playing in Washington do you think they can do it thing like Mono Mono I'm coming at twenty euros right exactly I'm GonNa Throw Ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine I'm GonNa blow you away on three pitches and in one game because there was a lot and boy what a big mountain they have to client they're going to get back into this series in game three they'll start that cranky was totally uncharacteristic this is not a team and you know to Alex Bregman credit you know the two big plays that he had at third base I mean both of those were base hits no matter what not but I love the way and even the game last night Fox zooming in on his face and you could just feel like you know calls that he wasn't getting it wasn't just like the big moments it was like every shen I mean that like what is going on it almost just felt like this is such an uncharacteristic game for them all together and they can take it all and say hey we did anyways so if you reset and just okay game three is like a game one and your number one pitcher is on the Mound Zach Rinky has the ability I mean shoot are- moment mattered every pitch and you could just see it on his face just the look if you didn't get a call especially buster once he hit about ninety three ninety four pitches I don't know if you noticed eighteen thirty three that place is GonNa be Rockin and I just for the Astros to be able to come in there get the lead early quite the place down and then to out this in a big spot in the seventh inning Aj hinch the Astros manager chose to pitch and he ran down with runners on base not been good this October in game four they're going to have to have a bullpen game in on the other hand you have the nationals the you know the front part of their rotation going into the series we did is let's talk about three individual players i Stephen Strasburg I love where he is in his career and I love getting this opportunity to men on because he didn't have his stuff John smoltz talked about the fact that his mechanics were starting to fail him because he was getting tired so the battle that you have to go through when you're wants to walk away nodding his head and in the next plate appearance he hits a home run not only just a home run but he hits it up onto the train tracks a place where nobody alias failing you to mentally get yourself over that Hump is something that we've never seen before from Stephen Strasburg and want Soto last night and if you think of it like Garrett Cole representing the Astros once Oh to representing the Washington nationals and in the first plate appearance gear co bullies them and it sorta like that this is what they expect of Cranky and even though he has struggled and he struggled and hasn't been as consistent in the postseason I mean let's remind everybody that he has the ability at any point to be this astros team went and got Zig Zag Rinky for a reason and we've seen them make decisions like acquiring Garrett Cole like acquiring Justin Verlander in the past the difference that it's made the astros issued an intentional walk that tells you how good want Soto is it's insane honestly like pick your poison because you know we can't sit here and say who may win the National League Mvp Award or pitching to Juan Soto and he decided to intentionally walk once Oto the first time all year I mean I I do I I think that one of the biggest things that astras are going to have to do buster is get the lead early and this is the first time a world series game has ever been played in DC since nineteen pitcher buster that they had a beat to get to this point and the Clayton Kershaw and the Jack Flare Dese Review Walker Bueller. I mean there's been so many pitchers that they face even in the Post Anthony Rendon so those two guys the most to most important guys in this lineup but it just shows you that at any point one could be chosen over the but they're just became this will inside of him that I I hadn't seen before and not that it didn't exist but you could argue this was the most important pitches from the but an all-star five the last six years cy young he'll be in the hall of fame this is the pitcher they need from him in one game in its game three before we get this managerial news foyer you knew that the astros were going to have a newfound respect for him after what he did in game one with a home run and the double in the single but changeover to a local ballpark this kind of grungy muddy field and I think it was in Wisla and Kurt Sukey in walks over and we shake hands ought to be in this spot where he can be part of a championship after everything that went on in two thousand Twelve Amanda Passion that you saw him out last night it was pretty cool it was cool it because he wanted to keep open the opportunity to have first base open and intentionally walk wants Soto he essentially had a choice between pitching anthony rundown they want Sotos better reknown better I mean those two guys I mean it's it's they are on equal levels and in different moments in clearly as much as we and it was something that you don't really see a lot from him he someone that's been known for being very stoic very quiet he he's not that these the opposite of Sherzer when you think about fist pump and he is now who he was just the biggest smile the nicest person a leader someone and that part of it has been so valued in his career up home runs if you're going to get to him you didn't expect it from Suzuki and there's been a lot of question as to whether should Kurt Suzuki continuously catch be kind of on a feel that from different nats players but in that moment the homerun especially against for Orlando and even though that's his weakness that's for landers thing he's GonNa give basically floats around the bases and coming across home plate and giving them a hollow sign to his family up in the stands it was special and honestly I felt like that entire game you could where he leaves the nationals and then they reacquire him because they know he's good with pitching staff and my God he's done a great job in this series blocking balls in the dirt wjr yeah it's not a criticism of AJ. It's just an observation that the first intentional walk all year for the Astros is given to Juan Soto at last talked about depth of this lineup in the Kurt Suzuki's that have gotten big hits this team went and got another wildcard game was it for one so they wouldn't have got out of the Division series of Lee Curtis Zouqi so happy form last night actually I met him when he was playing in the minor leagues was doing a story in Maui on Shane Victorino and the other and that was a huge moment even though it all kind of unraveled after that for a young player it doesn't turn twenty one until Friday and that's not a major hit the day on Wednesday with game two of the world series from Houston the nationals and the Astros the nationals having one game one in the top of the first inning facing Justin verlander the main catcher for this team when the stolen base has been a huge problem for them when they're you know you can pinpoint all the weaknesses and yet they have stuck with him because of the relationship he's had with us so cool even through the runner out which he does right now so cool the sea have that moment where he hits the home run and pitchers and what he does for this team okay three managerial situations I wanna get observations and all three from you over the next three minutes news broke that the the Elise are and act in a higher Joe Girardi what's your take on that to me it's a good fit I think if you're the Phillies as you pivot away from Gabe Kappler you WanNa get come forth and you know being able to give an opportunity to possibly be a manager for the mets all right jess thanks for doing this great to talk with you yeah buster see you soon -perience that understands how to handle the veterans how to handle the young players and Joe Girardi is that guy the cubs make it official hiring what the mets are looking for during this process and of course a couple of names that have been out there and the mets talk to Carlos Beltran Grassi understands this is something that was a marriage it's it's meant to happen who knows how long it will will last like anything but I know the super excited about it it is the perfect fit and I feel like like anything you never know the shelf life for any manager anymore it doesn't matter how good you are what you win at any point you could get fired so I the mets are talking with candidates now I think a third round of interviews Eduardo Perez Carlos Beltran seemed to be emerging as the top two it doesn't understand you know at times you know when certain bullpen guys are all the things that they went through with Gabe that they felt like okay we can kind of like take off the training wheels and eventually get to a point I don't WanNa do that now they are at a point where they have to win they have the talent they've been able to get the acquisitions and the fact that they didn't make it to the postseason this year was was a huge failure just in fact connection even if it doesn't seem like on paper this is the perfect person and so I think that's what's been exciting is is seeing the variance of people that have have come and I can't ask you and I won't ask you about specific names of those involved in the mets search were manager you work for the mets but I wanna ask you about what you've learned about five years ago and Dave Roberts walk into that room and just knocked them all over with his passion and with his knowledge and with his ability to convince them that he should be the manager so I think you never it's kind of everyone and you know being able to get everyone in the interview room and we've heard that in the past with teams like the dodgers it seemed like gave Kappler was the dude for them member being in Williamsport when was that back in August and just talking to him about okay so when you're moving to Chicago you know just giving him you know crap for all Ross manager it felt like since about the first week of September that we pretty much thought knew this was going to happen the cubs turning someone that they know what do you think Oh yeah I mean Burski Sarah Legs reporter and a producer Mlb Dot Com and Sarah before we get to what happened in the world series last night into your numbers of all the personnel that they have and I think they really believe that the missing piece is that manager role to be able to get all of these talented players together so you want someone with this I want to go into it thinking okay these are top people I think it's more of like let's get as many people as we can in the room and then from there decipher like who's really the right fit even if there's in a kind of I mean you and I would even give Rossi you know soon as it became more apparent that Joe Madden might not be returning I just remember a ton of conversations even see kind of the Plethora of people that they're looking at I think there's a huge variance in it's not just going to be just the traditional or just the ones that you would think but who is a mets fan which guide you want Oh my gosh that is quite the curve all I I don't even know how to answer that I as you know time and well respected player in our colleague Cuarto Peres what What do you see the mets search yeah I mean I think it's been exciting to be here in New York and just be worked very closely with says and still have in doing some of the stats for games and stuff and I'm a huge fan of him as a person and managers get selected for this day and age and I think he checks all of those boxes and again nothing against Carlos Beltran I I do think you'd be great manager and I will give I think that Beltran definitely could be a great manager but obviously I I have to say I mean just knowing the way he works the way he goes about his business we talked about it I think last week and he such a great people person such a great communicator you know you talk about the intangibles that are you know sort of what we see a lot of mother credit on here my mother my mother will make some sometimes outlandish statements about who she thinks will be teams next manager every now and then of it and I feel like I just like being able to like all right you can't talk about it now but you know this is something on your radar you know that this is something that's a real possibility and he would just get that huge grin on his face doing a little bit more about how he does his job his current job one thing I'm really curious about is is the offer the financial offer and how already going to be paying Mickey callaway his salary the last year and if the mets role in with one of these minimum manager first year type contract offers how do I don't know what her criteria is exactly what I give her credit that when Carlos Beltran retired she told me he was going to be a manager one day and she thought he was going to be like the next hundred thousand dollars you know if you're Carlos maybe that may not be as attractive to to somebody who hasn't made that kind of money that he has in his career we'll just you have to wait and see all right let's play the numbers game number three number three seventeen so the nationals have combined for seventeen runs to feel about this you're talking about a player who during his career made over two hundred million dollars and if the mets role in because in two thousand and twenty manager after Calloway this was a couple years ago and not based on anything but I will per credit there especially because their birthday was yesterday but I I would go with it were no just Carla feel about that now I haven't asked that question directly maybe he's going to be totally fine with that but I do wonder about that you know if they roll in and say your first year so far in this world series and of course they haven't even played it at home yet that's the third most runs by any road team in the first two games of a world series ever the giants and in both of those instances and I thought this was fascinating the high scoring team actually split those first two games and it was sort of because of one blowout game number two is eight than nationals have now one eight straight postseason games in twenty nine thousand nine that's tied for the longest winning streak by any team in a single post so we've talked about this pretty much all year with the Astros but to win against them you basically have to be either burland or call that is the way we have worded it the nationals reason with the two thousand fourteen royals two thousand five white sox and two thousand four red sox no team has ever won nine straight games in a single postseason which the just to win starts by both of them back to back this is the third time all year including the playoffs at the Astros have lost consecutive games that's will attempt to do in the first world series game in DC since nineteen thirty three on Friday and they've also won six straight road games which is tied for the second longest road winning streak in a single postseason the one thousand nine hundred sixty Yankees won eight straight road games which is the record number one number one is three all right Sarah thanks for doing this we will talk to you tomorrow sounds great thanks so much for having me to the world series I talked with game one starter Max that were started by Colin Burland in either order the other instances where in June in Cincinnati and in April at the Rangers so this is the first time all year that they'd done that back home games and sure you can say that clang in the postseason obviously makes it more likely but I still think that's pretty notable and I'm not a big wins person the only teams was more runs in the first two games of world series on the road the nineteen sixty donkeys with twenty in pittsburgh and the one thousand nine hundred thirty six years with nineteen Colfax in nineteen sixty five and they're the first such duo of twenty game winners to do so at home according to stats which is pretty cool and of course the dodgers came back it's fan perspective what's cool about playing in the world series I mean all the chips are on the table I mean this is where all bets are off urge her in a fun conversation give Max one of the cool things about you is is that if you were playing baseball you'd still be a big sports fan so from that perspective from to win that nine hundred sixty five series in seven games so give me a yes or no can the astros come back after losing to not the way they've been looking the best team in baseball over the last three years total right like the red sox were great last year but overall it has been the astros so if anyone can do it I suppose it has to be them talked when everything went wrong on the field for them if feels really hard to to believe that they can come back right now but this is the team that's been like basic just in every pitch China for every little thing and just be a student of the game immerse yourself in those situations such you I just this is in this situation so that you're always thinking about the game and just try to keep moving I'm just basing I'm just I can't sit still so tell the story honestly I it really doesn't feel like it I just read that Colfax and Drysdale Stop the way they've been hitting with runners in scoring position and the way that seventh inning at the end of the series against the dodgers when you're out in the bullpen and you make the mad sprint onto the field that would be part of the celebration but you're all alone yeah and but I thought this was pretty cool so the first pair of twenty game winning teammates to lose games one and two of a world series since the dodgers Don Drysdale and Sandy Dan I got another Faux Pas about want Sotos talent that we saw on display in game one yeah he's a special player I mean you know with our rests pitching what we can do is just a different game cameras are on you on the day's you pitch and they're on you on the day's you don't pitch in the dugout is anybody there isn't a game and he only continues to get better but the best thing is I mean he's a home employer you know he he's not about the attention or you know how many likes have there handshakes they have their whole routine after a win so it just means Britain and by myself so it's just one of those funny things that here we go again this season you can just sense it's a different game which you've been watching in the regular season so for me it's always fun to watch the other sports as well and they're big moments in their championship their hair by the age of thirty five thirty five you're still a young dude at that point you're going to start losing your hair then think about it a year from now it's all gone in everybody used to think we've seen it now for basically two years now of what he can do at the play what he can do with bad how he can make adjustments you mean he's he's you have to have your instincts and so for me I always like watching a game very little little nuance of the game and talking to dosier other guys on the bench of like hey how would you run and so it's not surprising that soda was able to make that adjustment and you know that's just one of things that when you watch a game fifteen twenty minutes perfect for the morning commute it's hosted by Monica who is one of my favorite people and today's episode it is about this troubling Astros Front office you try to do during the course of game when you're not pitching in the dugout in very season or postseason he post what are you gonNa do tonight facing around everywhere three fastballs each one a little faster than the next and the first at bat and then sort of makes adjustments second plate appearance in that's something that you know espn right now it gets started for just five bucks while supplies last this would cost hundreds if you went to the doctor Arora Pharmacy go to four hymns dot com slash ESPN on twitter? 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It's something that I'm really excited about it something that a lot of us here at ESPN are really excited about it's a daily podcast episode home fires defers in time to get Maricic and that's the ballgame the Washington nationals accused in and they take folks it's Thursday October twenty four and this is espn daily presented by Dell Small Business Biens Jeff Passan explains why he wasn't surprised with the Astros response says about the team's executive culture and what might happen next I mean at Times Jeff you're in Houston right now we're in the middle of the world series but everyone's still talking about an incident that happened in the Astros clubhouse on Saturdays and in the middle of the clubhouse is an assistant general manager for the Astros named Brandon Taubman just working on your instincts I think that's the thing that you get this deep into postseason crowds or is it gets deafeningly loud it's just you along with your thoughts what happened so right after the Astros clinched the American League pennant there's a huge celebration going on relation that we're going to talk with Keith Law about here in a few moments but first we just WanNa play quick excerpt from today's episode to get a little more insight and to see if you guys like it air in sexual wellness for men prescription solutions backed by science written by Dr in delivered to your door thanks to science baldness can be optional good a four hymns dot com the league pennants assistant general manager Brandon Taubman addressing three female reporters shouted quote thank God we got a sooner I'm in the second game for both of them which was interesting and of course the nineteen sixty eight years lost the series one thousand nine hundred sixteen one at number two breath everybody's wanting to give everything for the team I mean you see it across worse in other sports. NBA NFL IHL that you get soon as you start losing your hair that's it it's genetics it's father time and there's nothing you can do about it guess what that's wrong for him dot com is a one stop shop or hair loss skin and while he was still serving a seventy five game suspension for domestic violence incidents and when brand taubman out on Monday two days later the astros don't comment in it but then they release a statement afterward the Astros in a statement we did the right thing by going out and trading for someone who had been accused of what he had been accused of and so the story comes out of this he was essentially gloating and using the opportunity to say to the group of women who were standing there about him and their introduction to him wasn't great last night sports illustrated reported that on Saturday night in the clubhouse after the Astros clinched the had this to say story posted by sports illustrated is misleading and completely irresponsible and Astros player being asked questions about a difficult outing but when you when you understand the Houston Astros are it really wasn't that ridiculous at all room to Roberto Suna who had happened to blow the save at night and the whole thing Meena on its face was ridiculous or executive was supporting the player during a difficult time his comments had everything to do about the game situation that just occurred and nothing else they aw what I expected I don't know that many people expected that for the Astros to look like the overmatched old glad we got a soon it now a- sooner is Roberto sooner the Astros Closer Huston acquired him last year at the trade deadline the F. O. R. H. I dot com slash. ESPN FOUR HYMNS DOT COM SLASH ESPN Keith Orange wanted to give a quick shot possibly probably going to win the MVP this year to have the worst sort of the worst possible moment to have such a brutal miss well to misplaced with the first one is the one that really full details safety information one of the scariest things that can happen to a guy is that first morning you wake up you look in the mirror and you start to realize you're going thin top two out of every three guys are going to start losing all I wanna I wanna get you know hug everybody is fast as possible so as soon as we saw that ball for me I'm on a desperate I didn't realize in some respects this series was encapsulated in the two plate appearances the first two-for-one Soto I bat this was Garrett Cole basically even how funny has with it so he's great for a clubhouse you know the mono a mono battles with a hitter in a batter it was remarkable for me to see Garrett Cole he's a guy who's really behind the scenes he's the number two man behind the General Manager Jeff Liu now the public doesn't know very much I want to say that Brannagh Tomen wasn't talking to the reporters themselves he was yelling across the mm-hmm we're the Houston Astros you're not an issue and then in the next plate appearance he comes out with a fastball again and boom they got zing two games at home where you had to figure kind no matter what what was the worst probable outcome for the Astros you've got so my career I mean I've caught myself getting caught that were hey sometimes you might be a bull Fassulo by somebody but these guys are so good that they can make adjustments in the next pitch it's homer reince team and they do have a lot of good players and now I think my question is well how the Astros players react after getting knocked in the Chin yeah to matters take anything away from the nationals who are tremendous team I just am surprised at how poorly the astros seemed to play in the in the last night that six seventh for the Astros to just sort of appear to come a bit of glued for players like Alex Bregman who's experienced manager and they do they made that very clear I felt like Philadelphia was they wanted to go the opposite direction and they don't WanNa have you know someone that's there that makes wrong moves to start I think it it looked like he was just kind of overthrowing over rotating a little bit and it cost him a little bit of location rolling more than just the nationals Atherton's assistant jammed drew I refer treatment reporters over domestic violence issue the team immediately rose defense here's a espn daily take a listen or yeah and this is without baseball insider Jeff Passan another two to swing in a row bold awards third charging render scouts for ESPN he rates for ESPN on television for ESPN and Keith. You've been watching the world series what you take away from Games one and two yeah that was Cole and Burland or do you really think you're gonNA lose both of those games at home I wonder to what extent I don't think this is true for the astros necessarily but I think a lot of folks in may be a little overwhelmed team and I'm not saying they are just saying that's kind of what they looked like those first couple of games for Garrett Cole who'd been so dominant so far in the postseason rations and just kind of relate that demand is what it's like in Baseball Baseball's it in some ways it's just as crazy as the other sports because of trying to serve his dominance over young talented player and this isn't a criticism it's just it's more of an observation he blows three fastballs past the first two games and it gets feed you that against a team like the nationals. There's pretty good chance they're gonNa make you pet I gotta say and I mentioned suggest Mendoza that I feel like that away from somebody else's mistakes and try to add to your games you don't make that mistake Max thanks all right thank you prescription bronx required online physician consultation and only available if the physician determined prescriptions appropriate sequence the Chin and in these first two games they punch right in the Chin by a team which may not be as dynamic it may not have as many future hall of famers but it is an expense it's more than just a conversation gets the weekly dish with Keith Law and Biogas Cap on baseball tonight naked you know I didn't WanNa ask anybody like hey you know we're going to sprint him soon as third outs made I in my mind as soon as that house made like I cannot wait to get to the dogs Shubin six up to with game two in the books the world series heads to wash but the Astros juris the Astros because there's been so much talk about the astros this year especially down the stretch on clean a lot of people from fan graphs and others media fans etc may have underestimated the nationals because they were a wildcard team because like you said they're not quite as the famous Ross baseball tonight the podcast angry at how at the initial incident how poorly this has been handled since since the incident that PR statement the first one the initial your hands now were handling this the astros could have just come right up front said we're putting Todman on some sort of administrative leave while we investigate further actually they're gonNA teach this in business school programs for years to come about how not to handle a negative pr that's because it has been so I can't believe this but this story continues to take on even more layers yesterday Jeff Luneau had comments published in the Houston Chronicle did that when you read that was what do you mean you don't know what the antennas you're his boss you can call them in your office and say brand L. Incident and to steer that awful statement that they put out Jeff told the Houston Chronicle what we really don't know is the intent behind the inappropriate comments instead you have jeff still trying to well we don't really know what happened give me a break for me one more reason for Major League baseball too need we may never know that because the person who said them and the people heard them at least up to this point have different perspectives and of course the obvious reaction quite patient you're not going to just blow a lot of velocity by these guys they're not going to chase to the extent that maybe a lot of other teams on were they impune Stephanie Scenes Reputation and claimed that she fabricated a story that maybe this happen but it totally wasn't the way that she said it was the major league baseball kind of had to step in because we're in the middle of the world series here and what is Major League baseball dealing with they're dealing with this todman controversy about the situation and this is what the general manager of the team and keep in mind this is someone who had the power to dictate their reaction to the some of the other teams that the Astros have faced their their lineup I think he's more disciplined and more patient than what the Asif as so far Hanky and game six he yells at a group of reporters about Roberto Soon and thank God we gotTa Soon I'm so glad we gotTA SUNA coming with a hammer on this situation what do you think yes I agree well that last point to that MLD talked a little bit to folks in Mlb Hor justifiably poorly handled from the start by the Astros in particular and I don't know who exactly their research responsible but if I major league baseball I'm coming in saying yeah this is and and they've been trying to walk back some of that with statements put out from Todman from Jim Crane their owner well then the next day after sports illustrated breaks story they put out this absurd statement in which they essentially impune the integrity of the reporter and challenge whether or not this all happen within what was your intent Brandon does one answer you tell them to clean out his office right and you can find out what his intent is ignores the fact that this nationals particularly national lineup I feel like the conversation are the nationals has been around the top three starters but their lineup is still pretty deep it's talk about it if they don't win the world series so then then you're in a different conversation this is the best team to not win a world series which is very unfortunate but seeing everyone's waiting to see if he's going to get fired now they're dealing with a major league umpire who appeared to threaten to start a civil war on twitter yesterday none of this is about the action not making you know apologize to the reporters and never and just make no other comment this story probably would have gone away instead they just keep throwing more and more fuel on the fire ah the Astros for obviously Todman for starting this but also the Astros for how they've handled it since the initial yeah and Major League Baseball Warriors twenty-five bathroom right those are big stories and that's not

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October 1, 2019: A New York lawmaker is set to plead guilty in an insider trading case

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October 1, 2019: A New York lawmaker is set to plead guilty in an insider trading case

"This episode of five things sponsored by Madison Reed put the time and expense of a salon behind you with Madison Reed. It's salon quality hair color delivered right to your door. Five things listeners get ten percent off plus free shipping on your first color kit with code. Five things at Madison Dash Reed Dot com good morning. I'm Taylor Wilson and this is five things. You need to know Tuesday. The first of October Twenty nineteen gates geico started a New York lawmaker is set to plead guilty in an insider trading case Republican Congressman Chris Collins who resigned from his position on Monday will appear in Manhattan federal the court on Tuesday a year after he was indicted on criminal insider trading charges. He's accused of tipping his son off to bad news coming out about a biotech company allowing his his son and seven others to sell off their stock before it's valued tanked. US Attorney Jeff Bergman outlined the crime a year ago we announced criminal charges against against Christopher Collins a United States Congressman Congressman Collins is charged with insider trading and lying to the FBI why in addition to serving in the House of Representatives Congressman Collins was also on the board of directors actors of Innate Immuno Therapeutics a publicly traded company that was developing drug for multiple sclerosis in June of two thousand Seventeen Congressman Collins was told some confidential and highly sensitive information shen about innate information that was not yet made public namely that nate's main drug the drug nate nate was developing to the be. The backbone of its company was a total failure. Cowan's set to arrive for a three PM hearing where he's expected it to change his previous plea of not guilty according to court records his two co-defendants his son Cameron and Stevens are ski. Cameron's fiancee's father are scheduled for a similar similar hearing on Thursday Tuesday marks the seventieth anniversary of the People's Republic of China but celebrations could be muted in Hong Kong as protests continue you there earlier on Tuesday police already had to intervene as Beijing supporters and pro democracy protesters clash manual fireworks display has been cancelled and a number of subway stations are closed to minimize disruptions pro democracy. Hong Kong residents have long accused China of encroaching on their autonomy and the issue was re sparked after a government proposal which has since been withdrawn to change extradition laws to allow suspects in Hong Kong to be sent to mainland England China to face trial meanwhile in Beijing. The anniversary has been celebrated with a number of events including a military parade that featured the display of a hypersonic onic ballistic missile next Tuesday is the last day for Democratic candidates to qualify for the next presidential debate so far twelve candidates will be participating dating with Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard and billionaire activists. Tom Star added to the Group of ten that participated in last month's debate but it looks like it'll be unlikely that anyone else meets the requirement of at least two percent in four Democratic National Committee approved polls as well as donations from one hundred thirty thousand unique donors and the DNC also recently released even more difficult requirements that candidates must meet for the November debates setting up the possibility that several additional candidates may miss out on the stage compared to this matchup. It also may represent the final nail in the coffin of some entire presidential campaigns well. It's now October but it's still you really really hot of course those who got snow the past few days in the Western. US might not think so but the south remained stuck in a seemingly endless summer some cities may see record or near record days with temperatures well into the nineties including Atlanta Birmingham Knoxville and Tallahassee and as the heat expands into the Midwest and northeast this week cities like Cleveland New York and Washington could shatter heat records in place since the eighteen hundreds and last up the playoffs are here in the Milwaukee brewers where is in Washington nationals will kick off the postseason when they battle it out in the National League Wild Card game on Tuesday night. USA Today Sports Steve Gardner has more after after failing to make the playoffs with Bryce Harper last year. The Washington nationals have eliminated him this year and they're a better team without bryce. Washington relies that's on leadoff man trae Turner to set the table an MVP candidate Anthony Rendon to clean it off. Starting pitching is what makes the nationals dangerous both in this game and hand throughout the postseason if they advance ace's Max Scherzer Stephen Strasburg and Patrick Corbin provide a solid trio that matches up with any team in the majors meanwhile the Milwaukee brewers are classic case of not throwing in the towel. MVP Christian Yelich suffered a broken kneecap September tenth but yet the brewers have been the best best team in the majors since then. Lyon Bron has taken over the former MVP is leading the offense and the brewers have impressive rookie Kenniston Kira in the lineup something something they didn't have last season as for pitching. It's no name starting pitching for the brewers but then again they did that. Last season. Two all they have to do is get the ball to Josh Hater who can close it out in the night or the eighth or possibly the seven. That's the formula brewers used in winning a tiebreaker game last year and the National I league division series. It's the same formula and they will stick with it. Meanwhile the nationals have trouble with good teams. The brewers won the season series four games to two and of course hanging over their heads. That's have never won a postseason series add to that suspect bullpen and you have some pretty eighteen nervous people in Washington however in the end look for Max Scherzer to give the nationals the edge they need and Anthony Rendon to provide the big hit milwaukee the absence of Christian Yelich finally becomes a factor when he's not there at crunch time three time cy young winner Max Sherzer we'll take on the brewers Brandon Woodruff at eight. Oh eight PM Eastern time on TBS the winner gets the face the Los Angeles dodgers in a best-of-five division series beginning on Thursday. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1707: Baseball-Reference Rewrites its Record Books

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

1:27:41 hr | 6 d ago

Effectively Wild Episode 1707: Baseball-Reference Rewrites its Record Books

"I'll be one time now. The prize were should say hello and welcome to episode. Seventeen seven expectedly wild grass baseball podcast brought to patriot supporters. I meg rally grass. I'm joined as always by ben. Limburg of the ring ben. How're you doing. Well how you write melting but all right. Yeah well. I take it that you've had a pretty exciting friday night. It sounds like you were in the company of one shohei ohtani. I mean not like weird close way but in a in a ballpark proximal sort of way. I was reflecting as i was sitting there about how you know. Because i grew up in seattle and i the bulk of my maybe not the book. But yeah i guess. The bulk the bulk of my game. Viewing person baseball. Viewing has bennett was now. T mobile park was safeco field and has frequently featured the angels like. I've just watched a lot of angels baseball. And that has been not always fun but it has meant that like i have gotten to see a lot of mike trout in person and i think i will look back on that over. The course of my life in spe- immensely grateful that i had the opportunity to see him live so often and as roma's that like seen otani person before but had never seen him pitch and it's really very superlative. It's just such a cool. We're you know there's a lot about baseball right now. That could be better and we talk about that a lot but we assume really spectacular players play and he is among them and it was just very neat. Although i dunno box are man like i just don't know what those are about but i was looking at the statcast game feed for this game and top exit velocity show at tiny todd pitch philosophy show tiny most things and mrs shohei otani also. It's just a it's just a really very cool thing. And i enjoyed it very much. I recommend it if you have the opportunity to see him Pitch in person. I think you should try. 'cause it's pretty cool like you might drive for that someone i wouldn't have to either put. Yes and i couldn't legally but yeah if i do get the opportunity. I hope i will sometime soon. My tenth anniversary of my first date with my wife now wife is Coming up at the end of this month will coincide with the angels visiting the yankees. And i'm hoping it's a four game series still too early to tell but i'm hopeful that otani will be pitching and that would make a pretty nice date. I think for both of us since we were both fans of otani. So i'm hoping that joe maddon. Ken obliged there and that schedule will line up for him to pitch so that we can see that in person. But yeah haven't had the pleasure yet and i was wondering whether it's more impressive. Less impressive equally impressive to see that just with the naked eye just you know the same guy on the mound and then the itching and roping balls over the field and then playing right field also had where you were sitting for this given what vantage point you had but just watching at home. I was envious of your experience. But you know at at home of the camera's always focused on him so it's not like you miss out on that experience but i've never actually seen that in person the same player doing all those things so i would think that that would be novel. At least yeah. I think that there's something about an you know we. We have seen him be justed. Yates so it's not like him. Being in the on deck circle is necessarily noteworthy. But there is something about you know the nights like starter of record being second out there the tax you also appreciate just how big a guy he is. He is physically imposing. In a way that i think this is true of of ninety nine percent of baseball players. Even the guys who are sort of famously. Big the famously strapping insertive imposing guys like the stanton's and the judges and the joey gallows like when you see them at field level you're just like wow that's a big human who opted to play baseball. That's so cool but yeah it is a very it is a very nifty thing. It is a nifty thing to see an aol manager like really keen to get his pitcher one. More at bat in an nl ballpark. So it's very. It's very cool like you are cognizant of it in a way that i think just watching on. Tv doesn't even necessarily let you appreciate because then you can just watch beyond dhec that gonna gonna touch one hundred tonight and he did. Yeah in play right field. He's now appeared in the outfield five times for a total of six and a third innings anti as yet to get a chance out there he hasn't had a field -able ball and as much as i don't want him to put himself at greater risk. I feel like a great catch in. The outfield is the box. We're still waiting to check on the otani highlights bingo card. So i sort of want to see that at some point but overall it was an encouraging performance because we talked about how he's been more of a control artists lately and has seemingly dialed down the blast. The a little bit but in this outing he showed that he still had it. Because you know he was touching one hundred. He was throwing high nineties even though he wasn't sitting there. So that was encouraging. I think it's not that peop- suddenly can't hit those speeds wants to try to. But you know. He seems to whether it's for load management and trying to manage his fatigue or whether it's because he's trying to have better control. He seems to have taken a little bit off in his mere leaf throwing in the mid ninety s most of the time but he still has that top end speed if he needs it and he had some things go against him in this game one was that he fouled off his own knee and follow as hard as shohei ohtani usually hits balls and so i was limping around for awhile and it was clearly painting him and he did walk the pitcher in the bottom of that inning which seemed may be related to lingering pain from the foul and then the box which you mentioned and i messaged you during the game to say. We need to ban box. And i wasn't totally serious about that. I understand that there's reasons why we may need box. But we need to figure out how they work or something because this is just ridiculous. I feel watching baseball for a while. Like i got a pretty good handle on most baseball things and with box. I'm just as clueless. As i was the first time i watched baseball impatiently. I have no idea what's going on. He was called for two bucks in this game in the same inning and directly led to a couple run-scoring think did score one run another runner advanced because of a bach and scored on our favourite the dropped third strike and he had no idea what was happening and dmed and didn't seem to and i was watching the angels broadcast which can be a bit homer roush when it comes to otani at times but they seem to have no idea what these box were called for and neither did i really watching. I mean you sort of have to try to read the empires minds and slow it down and you know the former players on the broadcast. It's like mark lupus. Jose mode players. Who like would know what bach is and they just didn't know what was happening here. And you know i guess. After the fact the explanation was that otani flinched on the first one and didn't come to a full discernible. Stop on the second one and otani said the replay on my own felt like those calls. Were pretty hard. And i agree and you know on the slow motion. It seemed like it came to a discernible stop. It was sort of a quick pitch but it seemed like he stopped if you slowed it down. That was maybe the more understandable one. The first one was just pretty inexplicable to me. It was like a a pickoff attempt to second. And it's almost like unavoidable. That some part of your body as you were making that motion to spin around might move like a millimeter toward the plate or something like that was the best explanation. I watched a full breakdown of this from call sports on youtube which we will link to and it was like even with them you know slowing it down and laying it out. I had to watch it multiple times to understand what exactly the empire was seeing here and it was almost all worth it for otani reactions. Because he continues to be extremely expressive. The gifts and the memes were almost worth it but like it really is just like the voice. Spock rules come to life every time where no one watching in the park or at home or many of the people of the fields understand what happened and on top of like the delays to the game. And all that. It's just it's a strange situation. Where just no one knows what is going on. I think that it underscored for me. How much of a disadvantage. The sport puts itself at in terms of the in ballpark experienced by not having calls like that explained on the field and i know that there had we had expected to get them right. We were going to get umpire explanations on at least replay review and i think in a moment like that it really would be to the benefit of everyone. Assemble to have somebody explain even if the explanation isn't lengthy if it just gives the broadcast something to tee off. Oh so that when they are then explaining to folks at home what the rationale is and can go to the relevant portion of the rulebook for something as complicated as bach. It would smooth the way for everyone you know this was a this was a call against a visiting pitcher and so you would think oh. This isn't going to really inspire much in way of i'm bridge but there I will say those engines fans travel. They came to to see that game and there were a lot of them around me and they were very vocal and it was really just lovely. It was you know it's like Like everybody gives accident. It's really nice to be out in the world like you feel you feel nice sitting there but yeah. I think that it is a really weird omission of explanation for folks in the ballpark and at home. And i think that it's one that seems pretty easy easy to remedy because people are just going to boo empire some matter what. I don't think that it increases the odds. That folks are going to be booed or anything like that but when you have a call that is consequential enough to to lead to a run. I think having an explanation of what the rationale for it is would be hopeful for folks so so get on that again. i don't why we. Why do we drop that. That was gonna be a thing. I'm not remembering rate was just that there were no fans in the park and so it was lower priority. Even though it'd be nice to have it on the broadcast to spare us the half inning of. I wonder what they so. Yeah i think that This is a good opportunity for us to add some clarity to the sports. Everybody sort that out. But yeah if you have the opportunity to see otani do both things even if you only have the opportunity to see him hit. It's it's worth it but if you have the opportunity to see him do both would recommend it is cool and very special thing. And we don't know how long in the course of his career he will manage to do both things and we certainly don't know how long managed to do both to the level that he is right now. J. jaffe wrote russet fingerling today about how he is very easily making the case to be the al mvp. So you know it's one that i think it's worth making time for a few have the opportunity i know that not. Everyone is close to a major league ballpark that we'll have an otani pitching appearance than The games are expensive so you know seeing him on. Tv is certainly its own thing but if you have the chance i'd encourage people to take advantage of it because it was pretty cool. I was really glad. I went really lived up to the billing. So that's person man i was like. How does the new one war on the ball. How do you make contact with magical pitch them with the box. i guess. Is that even if you do explain. What the rationale was. It doesn't always clear anything it's like. Okay what they were thinking and what they thought they saw doesn't mean that i can see it or understand which is just kind of the problem depending on the type of bach. Summer more obvious than others. Some it's just purely like interpretation of the rules that it seems like you could either call never or call all the time. And it just gets called very rarely. There are actually three bucks in that game. His there was one called a ryan butter in extra innings. The diamondbacks reliever and that one lead to a run-scoring for the angels. The game winning run right so at least they were consistent that they called it on both sides but it is weird. It's like just depending on the game and the umpiring crew or what they had for breakfast that day or whatever. Some tiny little imperceptible flinch that you can barely even see an instant replay and some things are are weirdly like more obvious in real time than they are an instant replay in our the opposite but yet even after watching that in slow mo it was hard like okay. I get it like technically correct. I suppose if you wanna take the strictest interpretation of this rule. But it's still sort of unsatisfying. So that kind of thing where like no one can even see it. I mean i understand that you need something. I guess we've talked in the past about like literally whether you actually need or whether it should just be a free for all and runner should just be on their own and pitcher should be free to deceive them as much as they can. I think if we want to encourage runners to take extra basis and steal basis and everything. Maybe it's our best interest to have some sort of bach on the books. But the ones where you can't even tell what it was after the fact and like no one possibly could have been confused in the moment because even afterward we can't tell what the bach was supposed to be. If we could somehow get rid of those. I don't know if it's just like happy. Medium between your of the bach and no box and just weird random arbitrary box from time to time. It's just it's almost charming. In how quaint and impenetrable. It is not that charming. i mean. not that charming when it goes against shohei otani of course but also just in general lake. We should probably understand the rules of why things are happening. So yeah it's it's a weird situation. It's very strange. It's also hard word to say. Yes i've had trouble with the two that doesn't help. I think that that might be at least twenty percent of why they haven't instituted umpire explanations of the rule because then an empires probably going to have to say it at least three times in the same sentence and after the second time they're gonna get hung up on whether they're saying the word correctly or whether it's a real world word at all see i can't even it tripped. The the mir psychic suggestion of it tripped me ben. It just by potential presence. I was tempted to lick emphasize the l. kaz almost like a silent l. Balk but then. I wanna say like ball coup rate. It's not you say it either. It's just terrible in every way. Yes it's it's very confusing no other way to ever say ells lake that we lack other elle's for context. Maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe we need more of the sound not less so that we have practiced. But i think we could just call it something else. Rate a less sort of impenetrable rule. And then we'd be really off to the races but yeah it was. It was a friday evening while spent. Oh there you go yeah. Intels were catching the diamondbacks at the right time. Because the dog beck's get out of their own way at the moment and they had just fired their hidden coaches and so the swept the diamondbacks. Who had this. Long road losing streak. Although this was at their hope park not that it helped the many but the angels are fifteen ten since mike. Trout got hurt which is weird. Just one of those weird baseball things that the angels were eighteen and twenty two when he got hurt and fifteen and ten cents without their best player although guests they've gotten anthony rendon back and he's been hitting during that time too. So if you're gonna lose trout getting ren donen a healthy in hot hitting rental and pack as about as close to an even exchange as you can make but still strange anyway. They're over five hundred as we speak for the first time in a while. And that's fun and they haven't even had mr hot hitter albert holes on thirteen. Imagine if they had this guy who has a one twenty five plus with the dodgers. So far i did sit there and say where's albert ho right. Very strange it is really. It is really odd. Bit of business. I actively missed. Mike trout at one point in the scandals. Go are you why are you. Why did this happen to you. Why are we this way so Yeah but i worried. I was like maybe maybe both teams will lose this game. I had that impression. But then yeah i had to look at what the recent fortunes of the angels have been in. They have not been as terrible as diamondbacks who diamond backs. Hugh portman backs thing. I guess the only downside to go into your tiny on friday is that you presumably did get to see jacob degrom. Those games were not on at exactly the same time so i was able to watch most of both of those games which was fun but maybe was not as easy for you as you were making the trip to the ballpark but he is just also on another level now and he was a pulled or pulled himself sort of early from the game after six innings and eighty pitches with the flexor tendon issue. It's a a finger ligament problem and it doesn't seem to be serious which we've heard about. You know every single mets player and often it turns out to be serious but in this case is so far. It seems okay. And evidently he does regular testing himself and monitoring of himself. It seems like he really understands his body in a very advanced way. Now in what it can handle and what it can't but he pitched six scoreless innings with one hit against the padres a good hitting team although not so much of late and no walks and ten strikeouts and entered the game with a point six to your and lowered it at two point five six and a history a couple of thoughts. I mean a. It's just like he's totally putting on a clinic cure and it's probably the best. I've seen a pitcher be since peak. Pedro not saying he is peak. Pedro no one compares to pitch favorably. As far as i'm concerned. But i think you know he's gotten to the point now where you could say. Maybe his run that he's on now and it's hard to say even if this is peaked at ground because he simply keeps getting better we are glee and he's a to turn thirty three and i think he turns thirty three this week on the nineteenth and he is throwing harder again for the fifth consecutive season. I think he was throwing a a touch less hard in this game like ninety nine consistently instead of one hundred consistently matt kelly it. Mlb dot com did a piece before the start about how degrom had to entire starts where his fastball averaged one hundred or higher which is unprecedented for a starter in the pitch fx slash. statcast era. And you know he's just in a class that is only occupied by relievers. Now of just sitting triple digits and it makes me sorta scared as i've said before and he's been not fragile but vulnerable mortal at least when it comes to health issues. And that's why i keep thinking like i don't know maybe if you could just sit ninety eight or something. Maybe that would get the job done. So maybe he'd have a point nine euros instead of appoint sixty are or whatever but that would be sufficient. I just don't know when you are flying. That high adds. I've made the comment before when it comes to him. I don't want that to be had the story ends. I just wonder why he balances that in his head like granted he rarely get much run support. And so he's probably thinking like i need to be peaked at my best at all times. But like when you're that good when you're just like basically sitting on your curveball which seems to be a good pitch that he doesn't even need to throw really just like do you think like i need to be max effort every time or is it like i'm dominating to such an extent that i just take some off here and you know that way. I don't hurt my fingers. And i can throw more than eighty pitches. Like if he's like a eighty to eighty five pitch pitcher as one hundred mph to grab could he be a a more durable pitcher as ninety seven or ninety eight mph. Graham and. I don't know the answer is that i don't know like maybe the fact that he hasn't gone as even gives her thrown as many pitches lately has nothing to do with his fluffy. It's hard to make a one to one comparison there. But i just wonder why when you have the stuff that he has whether there's any thought to like is it better to back off here and like preserve myself. It seems like he has a sense for that. He's curly thinking of that all the time. Whereas with noah syndergaard it seemed like at times he was like. I wanna throw as hard as i possibly can. Or he made some comments to that effect and it was like i don't know maybe at some point. Discretion is the better part of valor or something. So he's just so good that these are the things i think of like. Is he throwing too heart. Is he too good should he purposely be less good in order to preserve himself which like with most pitchers they don't even have the luxury of thinking should i- hamstring myself on purpose. So that i can stay healthy. Yeah i don't know what the right answer to that is i would. I don't know that sorted. I wonder if it just you know when it feels free and easy and you are super in. Touch with and in tune with body is responding to subtle variations in your performance and approach. That each. just feel confident that you know how what the limit is for yourself. I don't know i just. They're so they're so little about how good he is at his job. That i find remotely relatable that. I i really struggled to even put myself in the mindset of how many how would i. How would i feel the need to regulate this. Like how would. I operate the dimmer. Switch i just don't even use. He's allowed four earned runs. Yes war driven five. S pointed out because suddenly a really good hitter two. He's allowed twenty six hits. That's it yeah. I mean the the upside of his not being extremely durable lately is that it probably helps his chances of breaking up gibson's record because if you can just kind of skate in right. Above the minimum like fewer innings. He pitches while still qualifying for an ira title. Better his chances radically of actually pulling this off which like didn't support ski wrote about his odds recently and he does have a real shot in that was before his last scoreless outing. So you know. It's still unlikely that he does. It's likely speaking. But there's a real chance. And so yeah if he could just come in at a one hundred sixty two innings or something on the dot and do it like. Yeah maybe that would cheapen the accomplishment or you would look at it a little differently than you do bob. Gibson's record for instance. But you know to have the record that it might enhance his chances. But you're right. It doesn't look like it is all that stressful. I mean i'm sure it must be but look max effort. No it doesn't. It doesn't make you like grit your teeth the way that you do with some pictures where it's like. Ooh that just looks like it hurts. It looks like something's gonna break like when you see the radar readings. Then you may be think ooh boy can a human body actually sustained that that when you're just watching him i can say you know the cliche. Just looks like he's playing catch out there. Maybe not quite that mouth still. It doesn't look like he is throwing max effort which maybe is a because his peak velocities keep increasing so right like maybe this is him with the right hang right. I guess we have to allow for that possibility into fewer starts and four fewer innings. Which kind of gives you a sense of the leanings thing. We're talking about here. He has a hundred strikeout then last year. I'm comparing this to his totals from last year. Inches like he has the twenty. Two minus twenty two bend. Did you know that one hundred is league. Average one hundred is league average. So lower is better for pitchers here. He has a fifteen. Era minus yes. These are these are fifth and and eerie numbers that are adjusted for perkin league. Outings now is accompanied by a forest of fun facts. Whether it's about his hitting or it's out you know lowest. Dra through x starts or fastest two hundred strikeouts or whatever. There's just a jacob degrom fun fact cottage industry so i guess i think are real takeaway. Here is that for a couple of years. The hair was holding back. Yes it could be is hair. Length correlated to velocity mag rally tedtalk. Hopefully we will see those guys Otani is the leading d. h. all-star game vote getter and one would imagine that jacob degrom will be starting the game on the opposite side healthy and allowed to so that should be fun as well and the last thing i wanted to mention his just about the jays who kinda put on a show over the weekend and one thing that i thought was amusing was There is a fact that was not very fun for the days on friday so they were playing the red sox in fenway and they lost the friday game two five and they crushed the ball in this game so i saw this tweet from crisp black of sports net. Who said this is legitimately one of the bunker notes. I've ever looked up. And it was the list of games where a team had twenty five or more hard hit balls in a single game defining hard hit ball as ninety five miles per hour or more so the first time was august fifteenth. Two thousand fifteen the red sox and they won that game twenty to ten. The next time was july thirty first twenty eighteen the nationals and they won that game twenty five to four then. The third time was last september. I it was the giants they won. Twenty three to five the fourth time was this friday this past friday the blue jays and lost sixty five so all these other teams scored more than twenty runs when they hit this many balls this hard. The jays scored five and lost the game but they made up for it in the rest of the series. They won seven two two on saturday and then they won eighteen to four on sunday and they hit eight home runs. Which is the most home runs ever hit against boston. Not just invent way but any game against the red sox who go back quite a ways and we've talked about how strikeout records and homerun records or maybe not quite as fun in this era of record run in strikeout rates but still that was an absolute display of power and the messianic bat. And the jays like i guess. They haven't actually been the best team in baseball this year. Although it seems like it and it seems like flat alone has put on that sort of show nightly lately but the astros have had a better team. Wrc plus this year than the blue jays have and j zor second just ahead of the dodgers but lately they've really been turning it on offensively. And vlad is i mean the way that the ground is on another level of pitching glad seems to be on another level of hitting now he is like basically almost bondi and territory and i. I don't use that lightly. But he sitting three forty four four fifty six eighty eight with twenty one rents and just about as many walks as strikeouts. he's hitting seaward ground balls surprised surprise that is leading to more home runs and more power. And it's just kind of incredible that he went from like is flat. Actually got to be that great. At least some people in some quarters were wondering to just totally fulfilling the promise like overnight basically and of course she is still twenty two years old. But that's been a lot of fun to watch in. That whole lineup is a lot of fun to watch even without george springer to this point. Yeah i do. I do wonder like i think that we have covered this responsibly. You and i. I do wanna push back slightly on. The people relate. Everyone said vlad was a bus and it was like. I'm pretty sure. Most prospect people spent the last two. You're being like relaxed pleased. It's fine and now some of those brunswick people are like told you it was everybody just. It's fine we just enjoy this part. This is this is the fun part. We don't have to it's fine. No recriminations can i tell you my favorite thing about fled junior lime for this year so far that he has positive base running value. Actually that's my favorite part about that. But yeah a to a two oh three. Wrc plus. we'll we'll play. I think that'll play. I think it's yeah and i. I picked the jays to miss the playoffs this year. Like sort of reluctantly. And i guess as things stand as we speak. You're on monday. They are still out of playoff position because of the pitching which was why. I made that dixon. When i was forced to make predictions and i think they are third worst in pitching war this year fame crafts. Were there fourth-worst in park adjusted fifth. Although you know who knows what. The prey men's playing in florida and buffalo so that was also part of why i picked them to miss the play. Offs is that. I don't really know what the effects of having possibly three home parks are during a season. It seems like it probably couldn't help. I don't know how much it would hinder but seems like it probably would be a hindrance if anything so between that and the lack of pitching that was kind of my thought and you know. I don't know the wheels are kind of coming off the red sox in a very dramatic way in the last week and they're surprisingly successful pitching staff so it's certainly possible that the jays could still sneak in there and maybe they will get reinforcements internally or maybe they will make additions at the trade deadline so i. I hope that that happens at this point because it would be fun to watch these guys smash in october. Especially when springer comes back. But i just. I don't know that was my reservation heading into this year just after the active offseason that they had in the high hopes and the of course bright future. And all of that. I just wasn't sure this was the year. And i'm still not sure that this is the year but obviously they are a pretty good team as it is in a very fun team so even if they do end up on the outside looking in like this you know the most fun and promising the bouquets have been in some time. Yeah i think that they are if they don't make their way into the playoffs this year. Them they are certainly going to be well positioned to do so in the future. I think the young or has like very thoroughly arrived in his quite excellent as we have just said and Yeah it is sorted sad though. Because you're you're sitting there and you're like Has been pretty all right. And so roy as pretty alright surely the rest of the staff will been good and the answer to that is no so. We don't have to make up twitter guys to be mad at for for vlad we can just be mad at at the unfortunate display that has been blue jays. Pitching don't make up. Twitter guys just reminded the pitchers. Don't be mad at anyone that's a silly way to live life. Yeah i think that brighter days are ahead and certainly this is a club that has seemed to once they actually land the free agents they want had a willingness to compensate them so whether it's trades that they do at the deadline or reinforcements they try to bring in this offseason. I imagine the things are gonna be alright for toronto. And i hope that they make the playoffs this year. Because i'd like to see vlad hitting in the postseason in this form. But i do kind of like the idea of playoff baseball returning to toronto when people in toronto can go and see it. I'm sure that they would be muslim. Jays fans really know we'd be perfectly content to watch them play on tv. Don't you worry but there is something sort of poetic about that. I suppose so. Yeah technically i guess. They were a playoff team last year. Which i forget because it was so brief that they just you wildcard series. They lost typified to nothing. So you know maybe. In retrospect that will look like when the team arrived like if they make the playoffs again this year and if they continue to that was like the beginning of run perhaps but you know that was maybe a diplomatic or or wasn't quite the like thundering arrival that we have been awaiting so that was not the the true coming up party for the blue jays. I guess right right but it was a weird season. So you're forgiven for four forgotten. That's words back backpack. Genton roof has been really good though for that they could use a few more of him us But that signing has worked out he has proved to be durable in quite consistent thus far so all right so that is our banner for today. We are giving over the rest of this code to some exciting developments with the negro leagues and reference. So last year we did a series of episodes on the history of the negro leagues and we talked throughout the year about the change in perception of the negro leagues and how mlb belatedly reclassified the negro leagues as major leagues. And we did an episode on it when that announcement was made and we were kind of speculating about okay. What comes next. This is just the start there will be a whole lot of byproducts about this and hopefully this will change the way that people appreciate these players and these leagues and are able to access the stats and a big step toward that future is taking place today. If you're listening to this when this podcast is going up on tuesday if you navigate to baseball reference dot com right now you should see a big banner on the homepage that says the negro leagues are major. Leagues that will take you to a landing page with a whole lot of content about stats and essays. Historical information because baseball reference has just completed. Basically a a stem to stern redesign and relaunch essentially to incorporate the negro leagues in to the site in a much more comprehensive in respectful and fully fledged two the major league status that mlb and sabre both recognized last year. So now you will save on player pages you know instead of before where the negro league stats at which had been there for some time. But were incomplete relative even to the seem heads negro leagues database. And also were sort of consigned to separate pages and you know if you went to a negro leagues pires page or if you went to a player who played in the negro leagues and also in the american national league than you would have separate tabs where it would be you know minor leagues or international leagues or negro leagues would be sort of in their own separate space. And now those things have been brought together and the leaderboards have been changed in those stats are now combined. And it's a i think. Sort of a landmark moment for how people will be able to access and in view the stats in the way they're displayed so it's just a start. Really and their ongoing efforts to collect more information and complete these statistical record but to have things on baseball reference which is sort of the defacto you know historical stat site of record in many ways i think is a big leap and to be done with as much sort of care difference as it as it has been here. I hope that this is the beginning of and we talked about this a bit nar interview but like of a continued relationship between the site and the new release museum. Because they think that you want to you wanna center the incredible work that has already been done in this space. And you want to add a robust platform to help support future work and i think this is really great combination of those two things so it's a very exciting day and i am excited to get to poke around and see what i didn't know which i am embarrassed to say is probably a great deal and am happy that i will soon be able to help rectify so. Yeah i was one of the beta testers for this rollout and just spent a long time just browsing around. I'm looking forward to doing it once. It's all finalized and live right which it it is listening to this listener and some of the changes are summarized very handily at the main page where it'll point you. Some of the notable changes either with famous players and hall of famers but also players who are now appearing on leaderboards were. They were not appearing before primarily rate stat leaderboards just because of the length of nicole league seasons but also some clearly boards to and the most significant changes are are summarized for you there but just getting to poke around and and use a lot of the tools that have been available for other major leaguers in the past but not until now for negro leaders is really going to be a boon to researchers and vans and hope wolf spur further investments and interest and. I think that's One of the best byproducts of this hopefully as you know when a lot of people were rightfully pointing out the this took way too long to happen and even is it right to do this. And they're thoughtful critiques and takes on both sides of that. I hope that One positive thing that will come out of this is just more attention. You know more people just coming across these names in these teams in these leagues and digging a little deeper to find out more about them to see those names listed alongside and and dislike looking at the homepage and now seeing the count of major leaguers reflect of the negro leaguers who were not previously counted. They're looking at the headshots. Like the first time. I voted up the development side and i saw the headshots and you had a mix of you know. It was like darrell strawberry and some like modern american or national leaguers and then players from white baseball in the players from black baseball. And the headshots. Where i'll just intermingled in a way that they wouldn't have been before and i thought that was really nice. So we'll talk in our upcoming segment about yes. You're obviously have to recognize why those players were separate at the time but i think to have their stats side by side and and sort of displayed on an equal level is pretty important so we will take a break now and when we come back you will hear some thoughts from a press conference on monday. Larry lester and shawn gibson who have both been guests on effectively. Wild larry joined dust last july on episode fifteen sixty and he is a great negro leagues researcher. Who's responsible for a lot of these stats being collected and shawn gibson. The great grandson of josh gibson. Who joined us on episode. Sixteen twenty six. They share some of their thoughts from that press conference and then we'll be joined quote unquote live by sean foreman proprietor of baseball reference to talk about this effort so back in just loves them too much. Take the bad times with the best back all right so as promised. We're back to discuss that baseball. Reference relaunch with negro stats redesignated as major league. And you will bring on sean foreman to talk about that nagy minutes but we want to hear first from larry lester and shawn gibson. Speaking at a press conference about this redesign held on monday. This first clip will be about the store significance of this relaunch. You will hear the name. Ron lee mentioned is one of the three surviving players from the nineteen twenty to nineteen forty-eight negro leagues period and you can actually hear him for a few minutes on effectively wild episode sixteen thirty from when i called to given the news about. Mlb's reclassification so. Here's a clip of a couple minutes from meager leagues historian and researcher. Larry lester and josh gibson's grandson in the founder of the josh gibson foundation shot gibson. The first voice here is larry's followed by shots for many years we have. We heard those great stories. Some of its folklore. And some of his embellish truth and those truths have been alone a long been a staple of negro league stats narrative but while these stories can be entertaining now dow law can include quantified and qualified stats to support the greatness of these great athletes. Josh gibson so as baseball reinvented itself. Every fancy welcomed this typical re constitution towards social reputation as i call it the beauty of the stats or that. They now human ads. These folks here roles and they're no longer mythical figures like pol. Bunion are still driving. John henry These stats the demise their accomplishments. I'm going to speak on behalf of imagine just to give some family but all the other family as well because we didn't keep in touch first of all. We're very excited at baseball reference. Come out with these. We all know that mainly basal made a huge announcement last year to clue. Nicholas insistence into the record books. We're very excited to work with sean myself as well my historian. So i'm kern to work with sean on josh gibson's piece as a family speak about. This is very exciting to us. Because as larry mentioned it not only gives you being paul bunyan aspect of it but if also give you store aspect of it where now you can relate. Initially statistics and major league baseball six. There were several conversations. I used to always have about black and white right and started to be like josh considered one of the greatest black baseball players. Well now can say josh. You consider one of the greatest baseball players of all time. It's no a black and white as we all talk about it. As we move forward is very exciting. To see this opportunity come forefront. We know the at the last year and to finally see this actually take place in the pharmacy baseball records. The first one to step out and showed us insist becoming out tomorrow and we're very excited to be a part of this as as as far as the families are no. We have central page is on here today. linda page. But gleaner is sean mentioned but necessar- oh she's were turkey stearns ron lee. Who's one of three players. That's living still from the nineteen twenty to nineteen forty era. We all started at niggly families and player lines and we all stick together and we all want to make sure that we all work together. And we're very excited that this opportunity has come today. We're very excited. Thanks auto questions leading up to only josh gibson. But the other greg nibbling baseball players that will be included anthony satistics. Okay and i want to play one more clip for you of sean larry in this one which also ask for a few minutes you will hear them talk about the personal significance of this news to them and to the families of negro leaguers and to the surviving negro leaguers themselves. This time the first voice you hear will be shawn's followed by larry's for me. I'll go first for me. It's going to be very exciting to see. Josh gives his name as well. Doubling great baseball players in some of the categories not just in some of the category but ranked as far as the top five. And you know josh situation. You know. We all know his batting average in nineteen forty three. They'd be the all time single season batting average on that year. So you know like larry. Seeing tomorrow you'll see a lot of black faces black like names tomorrow including any statistics on whether it was charleston. Bullet rogan central page bug leonard. And let's those lawn is very exciting. But you know as far as the fantasy perspective. We're just very excited to see this happen. You know major league baseball announcing it was a lot of unanswered questions of how this is actually gonna take place. And you know sean. His crew is definitely showed us how it would take place on. That would become an tomorrow. So we're very excited. But there's also give a chance to see a guy like ron easley. The mentioned before he's ninety four years old and for him to be still living in the be able to see this come true for him is a blessing for our families. He has only one of three players that are still living in that era. Willie mays and i'm going to say the alert and correctly i think is bar gleason and and ron easley and so for him to be able to see this. You know you've probably never thought that he was something like this in his lifetime. And so i'm very excited for him myself more than you know about josh. But he's still living you know jobs and see it. But i mean Ron caesar is actually see his name including a record books so from the family's perspective is very exciting and from the player who still living and ninety four years old. It's going to be phenomenal for him to see that I agree with sean. This has been roller coaster. Ride for a sit in the living room. Many of these ball players the interview there when nobody knew they were on their radar and listen to their stories of how they compete against their white. Counterparts is overwhelming and Sometimes bring a tear to your eye when you talk to them about their greatness with they were able to accomplish and and so this is a a long journey for me Bittersweet bitter in that. It took so long for major league baseball to the negron ecstatic. I think this country has become a woken based on several social issues and concerns police brutality and systemic racism and now we have come full circle to recognize the greatness of the ball players who shannon. I've already we know that. The greatness of these men and some cases women have always been on our radar screen along with great owners. Like gus greenlee. Tom wilson in a jail workers and so forth so well and so. This is an opportunity for america to learn about some of the greatest ball players who ever played the game. They just happened to be Over darker complexion. So i'm looking forward to The advocates the promoters. I welcome all the critics. We got to stash the backup our talk so bring it home and i welcome any and all questions and concerns about the greatness of black men of color lastly. I figured that some of you will be wondering well. How complete are the stats. What research still needs to be done. We get into that with sean foreman a little later. But larry lester gave a slightly longer answer about that at the press conference. So here's larry speaking for a couple minutes about the work that has been done in the work that still needs to be done. Basically nine in the twenties of baseball was covered extensively by the black press so we have between ninety five to ninety nine percent of those gangs in the nineteen twenties based on scandals that have been printed. We go into the thirties with the depression We have less coverage. Sometimes it's sporadic. We made have maybe sixty seventy seventy five percent of the gangs discovered and as we move forward into the forties World war two and a new awareness With his country moving forward. We once again fan ninety percent of the game. we have mass a great database of games. However there are some gangs that are missy especially in one thousand nine forty eight. Because the like chris starting to cover with jackie robinson and larry doby and hank thompson and willard brown and other former negro league players as they going to educate baseball that one black reporter is following the integration of baseball and so there's less coverage in nineteen forty eight versus nineteen twenty so we still have a lawrence body of data that we can quantify the greatness of these falk layers. And so what happens here because the negro league teams played between fifty sixty seventy games but year. It's hard to compare their numbers. Two major league numbers now. This is not going. Change the leaderboard in some people have suggested because the big leaguers played less career game but we can still qualify their greatness by showing this actual page struck out almost one batter every inning which is very close to with nolan ryan and other ballplayers have done. You can show that josh gibson. Hit a home run every thirteen to fourteen times at bat which is right in line with any very on and babe. Ruth did so across the board and tank statistics and showed how great the black players were career. Leaderboards may not change but we have a lot of new leaders that will emerge after tomorrow and so we google research. We're gonna have some new leaders and they're going to be back minute across the board. Okay so now. We are joined by sean foreman founder of baseball reference and president of sports reference schon. Welcome back and congrats on unveiling the results of this redesigned to public. Thank you so. I guess to dramatically over simplify things. This is sort of a two part process. I'm sure in reality. It was one hundred part process but the two parts being. You had to decide that you wanted or needed to do this. And then you had to make it a reality so we definitely want to ask about the how but the why first of all and why did you decide that. This was something that you wanted to make a priority for the company question. I asked with you as you article. You wrote back in august. That really kind of just guess the scales. All my is. I was like. Why don't we discuss doing this in the last ten years as seems like an obvious thing to do and the step that you know that that we should take. And so i'd credited the rubber kind of instigate that he's got that ball rolling is really want to credit for this we you know we'd had eagerly stance site for ten plus years now at work without hall of fame at the end. Researchers authors grew doubt that the using during last push to expand the hall of fame inclusion in. So we've had that data on our site obviously on seam heads group. I think push the deal over in dramatic ways. We'd actually had some discussions last summer about coming back to the licensing other data and incorporating onsite and then once gain our we. We decided this. Is you know more or less what we wanted to do. We go she added a deal with the has group and Narrow one work with us. And and what's that half of full steam ahead inc on site. Yeah that's great him and happy that the article had some sort of impact. Although i can't claim that the scales fell from is all that long before they fell from yours really. It was prompted by an effectively wild listener. Email actually a listener named philipon. Last summer less july emailed us to ask aren't the league considered major leagues by mlb. And i didn't really have a good answer for them. Well there wasn't a good answer for it really. So once they started digging into it and then you see the rabbit hole and of course many thinkers and researchers and historians had already come through that conclusion and had asked that question and found that there was no satisfying answer. And so i was really just turning up work. That already was out there and was coming to a greater attention. Because at the centennial of the negro leagues and everything that was going on in the country at the time and everything that was going on in baseball in mlb uttering the negro leagues. Still dishonoring them by abiding by this old unbiased decision about classification so once you decided to stop abiding by that you've been before did what steps did you have to take. I think i've heard you describe this as maybe the biggest project that your company has undertaken. So what made it such a heavy left to make this Well you don't realize how assumptions you baked into something. All you have to unwind labradors sanctions and so the sites twenty one years old now and so we. You know the season last year helping some ways in terms of panels for gross opting. That no well season doesn't have to be honored games. Are board games such games. And you know there can be some ambiguity in terms of what alot ramble to exempt and non excel in terms of your major league holes and things like that so it is allowed. It has just kind of unwinding. The hardcore and assumptions about. What's major league sports now over the last last one years of the side so we created a branch on our code over software engineers out there. The spun out on your machines on aws. kind of host. This section in our kinney jacqueline and and dan hirsch might in all are are sited pretty much working full time for two to three months one really work in jira warm get an outdoor sherry was was working. We also a big big issue. We you know. As i've said we we'd been treating these stats as as less than in the past and the needle into somehow less than your major league in the american nationally and so cross was going or we took very respectful approach. We were we. Were not doing that. One of the first question. John gibson asked me when i talked to arkadi astronauts on any of the numbers and i assure house as our goal is to is to present these full-fledged members and so you know if you're out running cleary on stanton might see mike trout exter- mule suttles or or or josh gibson and ns fully goal processes. During respectfully present. The players legacies presenters inline. Everybody knows what they don. And and they're you know they're about media and so that actually Have to ask you about that part because you know you guys have played such an instrumental role in sort of our historical understanding of the sport. And there are a lot of sites that offer a look into baseball's past. But i think that given the attachment that we have to some of these numbers you know this had to have been sort of a unique experience for you in the it went beyond the typical fans sort of attachment to the past and was about real people in their families who have for so long have not seen their relatives respected of held up in the way that they should have been so. I'm curious what some of the other considerations were for you guys around how you're presenting the stated to make it obvious that it is. It is correcting a long held historical oversight rather than waiting a league. That really shouldn't have needed elevation. Right right i agree with what we said. We as part of that process. We've tried to be very with ourselves that we're not experts on on the negro leagues obviously brought about studying and dan hirsch. Actually was the web web designer for those he had site of most people are familiar expertise internally but we you know we very much wanted to cast a wide net so as part of the process we on a we invited for. You should be able to review the sign shawn gibson. Josh gibson's grandson. Muscle rose whose turkeys terms granddaughter wrote a piece for zion tweet restocked a wide cast researchers saudi for all research and so we really tried to be those people Kendrick dollars throw from from nearly base homes in and so we were trying to make sure that you know we're telling telling more of the story. Just justice has contacts linzie. Statistics were were. Were friends oftener big part of the story. And so you know we really will be may not hurt hopefully user see now on the side at really encourage you to read the articles that we are in. Also we were launching a podcast. Lindsey german limited series probably serves eleven. Hers harasses as forces story now rehired. Gm buys us and also also run the podcast. We really want to broaden. Everyone's understanding of these leads in case that that yesterday major leagues savannah oversight. That we have a house. Yeah and as smith was saying. I i guess this is somewhat unfamiliar for you in that. You know if you're working on other larger projects like making the site more mobile friendly or changing from the play index to stat head and adding new functionality. Or just a couple of months ago when you were adding advanced batting and pitching tables with statcast data in cases like those. You don't necessarily need to consider the social and historical consequences or whether you're presenting things. Respectfully you're doing justice to some larger legacy and there's a way in which you know baseball reference. I don't wanna say makes it official when it's on there but you know. Mlb can say something in sabre and say something and elias can say something but until you can look it up and your site has kind of turned into the way that most people consume baseball stats. So it's almost abstract. You know if you say that. The statistics are major league until they are listed as major league. Statistics along with all the others. So i i guess it's sort of a a wheat almost that maybe you couldn't have anticipated twenty years ago or something. Hopefully it's a welcome. Wait but still thursday. Sort of a heft to that that you might not have known was coming down the road. I certainly appreciate now. You saying that. We i certainly. We certainly have thought that at different times. And i'll say for me. I live here my kids. Our schools were in rancher. Richardson and it does occur to me. Now know national be worrying regions are doing a black history projects. They maybe are same. Young players previously not well defined so it really make a dr doing and hopefully i the whole team salsa lodder of prime importance in doing so really put a lot of effort so i work very hard chosen. The workers housing have the responsibility can get into some of the the leaderboard changes that have gone on in a minute more specifically for like but i'm curious about how you thought about contextualising that aspect of this specifically because they think that when when the announcement was made that the leaks would be recognized for the major leagues that they were one of the things that we kind of delighted in was that there could be some some shakeups right that our understanding of the career batting average leader was going to need to include names that we had previously excluded. And i really liked the way that you talked about this on the site where it isn't just a matter of folks appearing on the list at a particular place but the the unfortunate sort of limitation of the lace of their careers requires us to sort of think about those stats Differently not just in terms of the output in terms of the context in which they were produced insert the rate at which they were produced. So i'm curious how you guys thought about um sorta providing that conceptualization to folks as they're navigating through the site because you know when we get a an accurate sense of josh gibson's actual home run output. It might be a bit of a letdown for some but when you think about what that was on like a per plate appearance basis. It's really eye-opening right. So can you talk about that a little bit more. Sure it's You know this is something we've obviously had to deal with for your sins cyrus The include presence we include the national association as as major league which allies in baseball so those teens play a variety of seasons. And so you know our batting average our batting average including a white players from the eighteen. Hundreds who didn't have may have had five years eighty games in their schedule. So that's something that wasn't really new to us. I will say it's going to be part of the fun is pulling up. These slanging percentage leader for single season and josh gibson. Narrow tonight forty seven. I think it was in ninety. Nineteen thirty five or thirty seven. And so you know you look at that less now. Obviously the shots there and it really hits you really hits. You see now josh gibson. Therefore five times on the season season swiping. His zen is headshot see real subtle as well and and thirty seven of the top. While for season single seasons lying leaders are now meagerly players. So i think that really hits really points out of the quality of these players. I'm sure you know we are aware there's going to be in certain circles. Push back on this Implying something games games and you know i. I would the listener the viewer. You know to remind themselves that's not the players fall right to blame somebody blame kennesaw. People were involved in drawing the colorado and so these players were responding to the circumstances of the timing of leaves owners. Your we're creating systems that working in black. Baseball's vary virus. In this time i was with independent teens and while we might call might consider by the horrible minor league teams immediately. So it's They're responding to the situation. Now was placed. Follow them and playing gigs. Our schedules so we are viewed as if you if you want to filter out. We don't hurt the certainly. Don't think you should do this. Someone's suspended that. They don't want to consider those. That's considered josh gibson. Put up with segregated so it gives a small thing. It's the right thing to do. And so we're we're we're we're really comfortable. These numbers often analyst as you without any county officer as concerns. Yeah so i guess that was one critique that came up after mlp's announcement about just the different season lengths or the comprehensiveness of the stats. Another critique or concern. That was mentioned. Was the idea that well if after the fact you say these things are the same in some way. Are you sort of whitewashing. The reality which is that these were separate leagues and why they were separate leagues. If you're displaying the stats on the same page. Are you sort of obscuring. The reason why these debts were not compiled in the same league. And so i wonder whether you gave any thought to that concern and whether that was part of your desire to sort of surround the release of stats with kind of an editorial component. Yeah absolutely three white people talking about these issues. So i you know we wanna be wanna be be careful about how we discuss these things and and how we present there you know. I think you know. Like i said one of our company's core values and and so we always sought out many details. We could to kind kinda give feed that. Make sure around the right. Has your make sure we weren't stopping into territory. That now was that that was somehow players or contacts which offered in. So yes so you know including the articles included including on the podcast series now recreated all those are an african candidate contacts for For the lease. I really hope this is for most fans and baseball is ball fans. This will be the start of their expiration of of negro leagues. There are so many reports one of the pieces. We have will sign his story. Agassi of of the negro leagues by By gary latin hope together which which lists you know dozens and dozens of of places where to go for more information and learn more of our. So that's our goal. All this week we want to provide information that's useful to the users providing really eliminates nearly his career. I guess on that squirming. You're right to say there's just been so much wonderful research that's already been done in here to to even got us to the point where something like. This could be accomplished ray coming through a box scores and finding them and compiling them. And i'm curious you know. I don't want to say that there's been anything lacking in that research because it is so thorough and we sort of be lost without it but i am curious. What what you hope. This might inspire In folks who are less familiar with the leaks in their players In terms of future research because the ease with which it can be searched here. I mean you know. We sort of got that initial taste with with seam heads but to have it. Integrated into your search functionality makes it even more accessible so i'm curious what you hope comes next for folks might very exciting. I mean we on you. I i know david little bit. Who was who was the editor of the of the baseball encyclopedia. Vacuum sixty nine. And i often was a little jealous. You know he got to do stuff and discover all these things and build them into your into a cohesive whole. I feel like this is if you're young researcher who who enjoys the style tremendous opportunity to get involved. I know roger sheet reliant to play by play accounts for as many games. They cam i know seen has jennings looking library's microfilm and we're at an age. Where a lot of this research is. How awful things on our records while naturally your house to use onscreen search sites that are also point out. You know the the white major league records were not. They were not just given to us by hundreds of people. Thousands of hours hundreds of thousands of hours that went into actually compile that information provided. So you know nineteen fifty eight if i asked you what was the leading batting average of the american association each in whatever whatever seasons maybe leave. You probably would not have another tally with our yellow tower. You try and so raises were made all through this process to zayn. No this is important. People are going to spend millions of dollars. Were put into compiler on the baseball strike in today's dollars. So i'm looking forward to us for your thousands of dollars. The injured while by years to cover but putting lots of money in an effort to compile these statistics over committed to you know we're committed as he has is the data as you data available were very committed to to keeping our side of today to improve one of the things. They're worried about more. Wilson argued As we do this present situation wire it we just have let it. Languor background unproven. So you'll were fully committed to making those changes environmental science while really birger. your listeners. Repelling pretty dedicated baseball fans. Were they can make a difference on these numbers on their power. You have any expectation for how often updates might occur. You know is it can be something like the director sheet. Kinda puts out of an annual data dump and then you update things on your side or expand the level of detail in the data. That's available in you. That something similar will happen with the negro leagues data. That's a very good question. i really i know. For instance we currently seen has actually has more data six. Have at the moment so revolve. Ah updating their july. I'm guessing so. I your candidate pens on the which they were and the so many is on this. Now respect motivated. Hopefully one of the things about our about. My job is getting emails from people. Like you know i. I've always been always loved. Women's college basketball compile all of these. Pdf's on seasons asks for solid basketball over the last thirty years rv. You want them a get where we get a lot of things like that. Have shape lose. Things behind can are pretty optimistic. That we'll see more sources data or books out there that while people relatives will ask you one seventy years or or a all that stop journal. We'll certainly will certainly here. So i guess. Jose da the mariners backup catcher his reign as the unofficial twenty thousand player to make his major league. Debut was brief if people go to baseball reference dot com right now they will see many more than twenty thousand. Players listed has major leaguers on the home page. So do you have an exact or even an approximate number. For how many players either their major league stats changed as a result of this update or they are now regarded as major leaguers who were not previously typing background. I you know. Kenny actually told me who the twenty new twenty thousand i was. So we're going to you come to the site for launch site tomorrow. We'll have something like twenty two thousand four hundred eighteen players so yes. I think you have to go back probably about ten years now. I think it's yeah. I mean it's it really changes all site similarly scores. Now y'all got now people will move down for leaderboards. In some cases all that changes players previously were listed now generally all the leader of go over around with their major league leader. Brian's may not have as much about on his site on his page as he did yesterday. Which i think probably be. Okay well you know. I think it's going to be region to all aspects of the series is one of the reasons why Was jane andrews at three. This might be a premature question given To the launch these stats. You've mentioned that people are reaching out to you often. And i wonder if any of those folks have a hand in broadcasts really powerful things about this is that this is going to change the way that folks not only who regularly visit or reference on our sort of already bought into some amount of statin -tory but the folks who watch tv broadcast sinc- the graphics that go up that put a particular players achievements into their relevant context of you had any outreach from broadcasters or folks the league who are keen to incorporate the information into how it's displayed out on tv broadcasts gonna be interesting question. We i know obviously allies. Is i believe elias meeting. The baseball are working towards an. I've had discussions with at least one broadcast channel and the other very wet. See what happens. Disregard joked on our press conference today that all the trivia books are gonna have to be rewritten. And it's it's yeah it's going to make a significant impact on all of those things. I think there's gonna be a period where we're kind of feeling out. You know exactly how we manage those things and how we include them in our discussions and it's you know it's it's a huge change and it's going to be changed. I think people will will will make adjustments pretty pretty quickly as yet as go side. I'm excited to see you again. Excited to see how people use what we've been able to our site and united excited changing your lol. Yeah yeah. I've tried to keep that in. Mind myself this year. Especially when we talk about shohei ohtani for instance and you'll run your read that he is the first to do such and such since babe ruth often. you know. It's something that maybe martine daego did or bullet rogan did or something. And you have an excuse sort of for for not doing it when the data's not easily available to search those things hopefully stat head incorporating that will help and you know at least people will specify maybe that if they're saying you know first major leaguer maybe they'll say first american national leaguer or or hopefully we'll just be able to say first major leaguer in will actually have that data at their fingertips so so mlb and elias to be clear. It's just a totally separate effort. You know there's no real coordination when it comes to providing the state or or making it more widely available pro nor are store. Data is was has been produced by palmer and July so we. I have a lot of respect for razan in major league baseball i. I don't think i've ever seen elias sign cycle pius. I couldn't tell you what numbers allies presently For american league or national league players. So we kind of forger on a that's the approach that we have cajun Jennifer brothel mention of all of the great pieces that you have accompanying this update many of which have been written by folks who have an affiliation with the negro leagues baseball museum. I'm curious how you see that relationship sort of developing in the years to come because it seems like a really natural one in one where you might be able to help to promote the work that they're doing and versa. The obviously in keeping alive for for these players in the history of these players antunez now when white baseball or major league. Baseball is not really paying attention to these issues. So so we're we are very aware that we were god knows a little bit. I hope that relationship to grow and we are looking forward to the opportunity to gain work. I think now we need to make sure that. Were recognizing their centrality to these stories. Abc news is is is really sample to this story. Avs of moves the native. And now we've house opportunity resort signers ratifying on so know we don't want to like i said we were not the center of the story baseball references. Doing small a small part here and really you know it's important to keep the researchers. The players know inside the story in hebron i is on on their legs used really raw and hopefully things will advance to the point where the data is complete and comprehensive. And you can display anything for a player from the negro leagues nineteen twenty to forty eight that you could for american league or national league player but for now and i encourage people to go to your site and read about all of this in great detail but some of the areas. Where as of today. You're not able to offer certain features or maybe you have to just do the best that you can with something. Like war for instance so so we are able to compute war players. The one went cabin. I would say is we have applied any factors to those numbers and so were probably are some numbers out there. I think billy wells one player. Who's perhaps has a lot of inflation numbers to park adjusted a little lower than what they are now. So that's you know that's the reason for that that we haven't done it yet because we don't have your game by game results and use a horror rose for his hand. I chapel packer. So that's that's why they should mind your war twenty yards. It's a little ironic death. Further back you go. We actually have more and so late forties the Were crass was reporting on most of these games for base charge. more jack. rowell's larry. I was less coverage in newspapers. Time for several seasons in so that that is a little j`owsible shame. Bigger rubbers games francis willie. Mays homerun engine for his avenue as a seventeen year old. But we don't have that whole runs on included in our records at the moment so it's always young you have to accept. It's going to be differ. That dan what media covers from from white major leaves on tavern. So yeah but keep in mind. The reasons like i said earlier all the time in our justice. That's where it is now and so start at process now. The earned insult y. Brigitte brought out local minded. Hopefully listeners houses. Yeah and there are essays that people should read about how this data came to be and josh well has a piece about building the seam heads negro leagues database in to be clear like there are a lot of box scores that have been collected and so the game by game. Data could be parsed right it. It just hasn't been your wasn't yet. It hasn't been yet so that's obviously a big thing. Our wishlist will be adding josh gibson. Or william walls spores are gay. Sinus is zombie. Inrushing y y you know. The question is no these dancer. Different in the league were in different. Contexts white injuries on so on city march for example had a number of playing purely as an independent team. They claim allowance. Leakey's that we're putting our signs. So media happens on point where we circa recognize. These independent seasons has made early seasons and incorporate those and decide i think for for us probably watches soccer saif years in the world of of internet football world. All these are much less clear. Their sony different competitions vases with probably will probably lower at this point work that maybe it's downs as part of the process. And so i think you'll see some recognition Going forward at some point that salaries other contacts should be in his performances. And in all of your work on this and you're reviewing of the site. Is there any specific discovery. That you've come across something that was new to you or a player or a league or a team that you've come to appreciate more jetstream perusing all of this information. That's now available at your site or be honest with you. Been fast to get dr. I've taken the time to really appreciate. What when all the changes are. It's not i think not necessarily not number flair but just generosity and everyone who worked will people vary over. Were molson in your. I hope i hope that case. We only have strong reputation people process to do things the right way why. Religion rousey is really more own. Were really feel honored. Yeah oh and i guess one last thing and this is maybe more chaffee department but when it comes to the hall of fame it it has been quite a long time since save. Negro leagues player was inducted into the national baseball hall of fame and museum. And so i wonder whether you think this will give any impetus to not just any particular players chances but just any player who is deserving. I know that you have updated. Career totals on the new site where you show players played in the negro leagues and also in the ayler and ellen you show how this change their stats and someone like minnie. Minoso for instance gets a boost to group totals because of this. So whether it's that or it's you know players who spent their whole careers in the negro leagues and maybe have fallen under the radar. For whatever reason having this available is that another hope of yours that That will burnish some players cases or at least bring them back into the public. I absolutely i mean. I i the role as for binding. Desgris saw those cases campbell beside a of and make your bigger case. So it's certainly hope that this will lead to more people using the site and just learning more about these flyers and the role. They played in in baseball history. It's been to native against end so we're back grenoble walker In do this is something. We're very excited. So i hope every lead yugo players and talk about your new favorite line that you found. We're going to be lots of stories and lawson younger players that aren't in a hall of fame or you don't know how long woman i didn't fall right well. I'm sure i don't need to anyone. Who's listening to this podcast. How or where to find baseball reference back go to baseball reference dot com right. Now as you are hearing this it should be live and you can just go to the homepage and you'll see the big banner right there. The negro leagues are major leagues. And you can click their read all the new content or just browse the site to your heart's content as you would normally and you'll see a whole lot of new features and new faces. They're so schon. Thanks for helping. Make that happen and for coming on well after we finish speaking to shawn. He emailed me to give me an update on the new twenty-thousandth major leaguer to debut according to baseball reference. which would probably different from. Mlb's quote unquote official twenty thousand. Because baseball reference starts count with the national association whereas mlb begins with the national league that said shan reports that dustin ackley and randall delgado are listed as code number nineteen thousand nine ninety nine's but ackley debuted on the west coast and the god who was an east coast starter. So that means that much to meg's amusement another seattle player. Dustin ackley is the new number twenty thousand. I should also note that. After we recorded our intro albert holes had a pinch hit single further bolstering. His stats as a dodger. Up to fifty eight three. Oh three five thirty to the angels lost. The blue jays lost but flat junior homered again number twenty two and his slash line on the season is now up to three forty six four fifty one six ninety seven. That'll do it for today. You can't support effectively wild on patriots going to patriotdepot dot com slash effectively wild. 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Championship Series Review and World Series Preview/Prop Bets with Colton St. Vincent (Live From the 815)

Painting Corners Podcast

45:10 min | 1 year ago

Championship Series Review and World Series Preview/Prop Bets with Colton St. Vincent (Live From the 815)

"Welcome to painting corners your weekly podcast or all things baseball no you're all your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave quick housekeeping welcome to the huge series at the plate and defensively which player was the most shocking to you guys this entire series was that you know just anthony rendon cement absolute cakewalk for the nats they just dominated in every aspect of the game and I it surprised me for sure and rarely catches were but yeah I gotta go with Nat sweep it was kind of just sad watching that because they dismantled the cardinals almost every way possible and brutal the last game series they scored seven runs in the first inning? I mean that's the reverse what Seattle Seattle Saint Louis did too that's was pretty damn good The like Dave Dave said Benintendi had hunt and like the exact same spot it was a little scary how identical the depressing the entire series watching that somebody that didn't pick Saint Louis gave faulkner third co host of the show gave kind of what's the overview of the series for you and Saint Louis Cardinals considering the Andrew Benintendi better catch just last year in the same exact spot the Michael Bradley it was great catch no doubt but the Washington nationals Berg out there dominating chanu little shutting the door and absolutely does not giving you know the cardinals any chance at all and they got to flirty which is something that we really hadn't seen for the past you know the entirety twenty nineteen because you know during the Atlanta series the braves got to flaherty but that was MVP caves or was it somebody else I think for me it was just I'll lumped the starting pitching together just as just to give Kudos to them just how amazing they were from how was it was that those four games better than that one brantley catch a back Dave on this one I think we all were expecting a six game or seven game series like we all said that in the preview show mandate both had the nats and you had the cardinals but yeah it was justice during throwing what seven no hidden innings I mean the first two starters of the series between Sherzer and Sanchez had two hits and then you get Stevens drops it's Much more surprising that they went on to steamrolled a good Saint Louis team they Michael Brantley may catch confession time I picked the shit out of Saint Louis and it was the what's more surprising dave the Michael Brantley cats or the nationals utter dominance of the St. Louis Cardinals definitely the national sweeping I wanNA start with a question we're starting with question most days and it just makes everything easier because it helps us get into the show it helps you know get everybody talking get everybody involved in as of errors on the opposing side you know there was a little Osuna magic happening out there in left field kind of costing flaherty runs but not to the extent that that was before China so definitely surprised with the sweep I thought that Washington was going to win that series unpredictable like six or seven I did not think it was going to be four or five especially sweet but I think he the headers had no chance of getting any you know you gotta get hits to score runs and it was literally impossible I mean Annabelle Sanchez setting the tone going out swept the Saint Louis cardinals have been to the five of the last nine years or something ridiculous like that and they did it in dominating fashion they almost threw three no hitters but forget the cardinals the cardinals done the cardinals are over you know we could see the use of you you know want soda in the also get Victor Robles who had a guy and he batted just three hundred this this series and played unbelievable defense random about four hundred and like you said cemented a what could be the bottom from Sanchez Strasbourg but I would probably say Ramadan as a standout with a art mentioned to trae Turner I walked returner betray turn since the all-star break in into the playoffs before the series so really struggling there I think kind of the opposite way of that too with how with Yelich going down but I think wins that but that's a different discussion but the nationals made it look easy and they may Jack Larry Look like early season Jack Anybody even come close to hitting not really I mean you know we talk about guys submitting their case you know when we talk about playoffs I feel like one of the names always comes up is Clayton Kershaw just because of the lack of playoff success you know you had a guy last year David price shattering those demons of the past this year is David Price Saint Louis candidate the ball and they had problems with that the beginning and of the season and it really crept back up with because besides Martinez doing extent is Max Scherzer I mean you know he's at one rough star but since then he has been absolutely just flat out on helpful the Washington nationals name new go out there and you just flat out dominate like that and not only that you have teammates behind you in Corbin mean who has obviously struggled as postseason he's the weakest link to this point but another teammate and the absolutely flat out dominant showing Stephen Strasburg dominance or Max Sherzer shattering demons I have to go with a little bit of both just because they've both stepped up in a big way from the nationals would he could do possibly his entire career of it wasn't injury riddled and Stephen Strasburg more impressive this off season this postseason Gabe so as Strasbourg you can't really ask much more From the two of them I mean you know has anybody had more to do with this nationals run than how he kendrick now and when you're a guy like mixers with the with your legacy on the line with the city on your back watching a team that has never been to the championship series had some of these guys wear rollerblades and Soto Don Eaton Turner there were some guys that like they weren't the best but they did their part man the those two are on you know who knows where the team would be right now they they could be a home watching the dodgers and who's Astros Point in the world series so I I gotta go with both I mean you got to give both guys credit Shire's went out there and grinded every start eighty three with over thousand Oprah's she's not bad for an old man there and speaking old men Ryan Zimmerman had agreed series ready because Jacqueline was not good the first two months season he had over forty IRA he was struggling a lot he was not getting swing missed soft that he's been getting here in that just didn't happen for one team but they're catcher batted four hundred rope La's batted three seventy-five how he kendricks Ren Dome Trade Turner Eaten had some time forget him going in the world series they're going to be in trouble I wanNA give a shout out to the GM of washing nationals like Rizzo solely because he goes out makes them very sneaky good moves in having Hudson come in at the trade deadline and bolstering that that bullpen and he had a great year keeping some guys out there I crucified him last year the deadline for not selling off guys like Bryce Harper and some other veterans that should have got rid of that they didn't even resign Harper being the biggest child to both the GM's in the world series currently between Jeff Llano and Microsoft two guys that built their teams significantly differently and hits whenever they need it I mean the oldest and obvious Mvp I think it in Osceola MVP in history they said in the last ten years or something like that thirty six years now repeat this year like everybody thought they were going to obviously there was significant situations there but Kansas city royals never got back after winning their New York mets absolutely we hits I mean the only person that really struggled with Soto and she had a pretty good night that the game forty ended up going to for four there so he's struggled but is old news out there ballin crushing it it's not like four four doubles in the in lcs humanity and just managed to get there in the astros gates to get there again you know after a series of three year runs to where if you think about it right but let's go to this Astra Yankee series kind of an interesting series because all the momentum changed with three pitches in game two the next five years cubs teams of kind of faded away. You know that SOX team didn't rebuilt rebound this year like everybody not read and rebound big props to him for what could have been a huge disaster and set the franchise back it actually helped them and made them go forward by getting rid of Harper and bringing I mean am I wrong they're talking phantom check swing and then called strike three yeah I mean it was you know definitely game-changer obviously very early in the series so definitely didn't dictate the series I will say the umpiring was terrible in this series where I think last year's ball he knows the rules inside and out and you've seen it in the replay error with the mookie Betts play in right field very similar to George Springer you know going you know he ended up with batting two fifty which looks bad but he went over foreign last game when they're up seven nothing and that's what really did amend before going into games and if anything he hurts himself because of the three extra cap at the end of the but he didn't they kept them they held onto and they held onto their GM this year one you knew it was gonna come back it's room three hundred million dollars over ten years he said no he signs for thirteen years three thirty clues didn't want to be there the money differences almost nothing in that case I think about the teams that have won world series. You know it's always like aw team is so young thing two thousand sixteen cubs right like all this team is going to be around each side had pirating times in the series and I don't know if one way good at worse than the other but when Houston tied up in game two the in the series to outside of a guy like MVP candidate Alex Bregman Weird You Know Gurriel finally Kinda turned it on in the end assize rundown probably not you know he's the St Pierce of Twenty Twenty Nineteen Yeah it is it's a really good analogy for you you know pull him his team out whenever they needed to get lcs with the Red Sox Houston they actually had buyers and as of an hour ago Angel Hernandez will not be empire the world series which is amazing because he is First Base Bang Bang planes but when it comes to you know just straight up Baltin strikes knowing the game I think he's one of the best Empire League but anyway moving on from that fell off win win win getting they're the only exception to this rule was like the two thousand eleven did I mean the two thousand ten to two thousand fifteen giants and even then after that the guys like Patrick Corcoran and Daniel Hodson and all the other guys he brought in free agency in trade market you know before we get into the world series but I just have to immediately fell off so the ability for Jeff Lonzo to build a team after tanking obviously which is what they did forever which I don't understand why Astros fans are like we should get rid of tanking ball out of his hand that was Joe West mid call way back when the guy knows baseball terrible in the field terrible when it comes to outs and plays at the plate or you know plays the and in game six but you know outside of a guy like Jordan Alvarez every single person in that top of the order hit you know out to just charisma to so let's get to the less I mean I guess more interesting series of the two that you say less interesting series because I'm biased as hell you having robust play all year having guys like Howie Kendrick in the lineup still team keeping Mr Nat around having those things in Yankee pitching just you know it's one of those things where it's either honor it's off and one of the most horrendous cases of that is Aroldis Chapman smiling series you know we talked about the catch but you know we had three or four for the series and had some big timely heads but you know the Yankees gave away a lot by allowing a lot of walks a young kids I mean seeing somebody that's mommy I know patrol was that guy for me growing up and I'm sure all to be the guy for guys now I mean even guys in the end of the there's all night astros team and he can pick up on that if he's sitting on a pitch you it's GonNa go far and that's exactly what he did and then the smile well here's the thing I had a problem with he throws an above a hundred mile an hour fastball that most hitters cannot touch is one of those things where I with game on that word you know it was actually a perfect ending because you had one woman abuser blow it and then the other woman abuser blow it said you Kinda at least for me I took a deep breath okay Houston's kind of back now different starts rolling a little bit I mean they got good heading out pretty much every because you were so successful at it and how you people not to be able to do it but you know just props to Jeff Ho- especially and obviously props to pops goings game four he's been well over three hundred was crushing it but man they just got hitting from everybody and it's something that the other series in the AL that will be generation right after me to where he's an inspiration because I'm not very tall Ainhoa when you see guys your size on tv it's very inspirational is pretty cool will a guy that is a dark horse candidate and I think that is the x factor to the Astra's actually winning the world series Michael Brantley had a great thing just it it brightened my day up just because I I hate Chapman and those Oona for that matter but like that's cool nobody chapman colleague shot a gun at his girlfriend like you know he's kind of all time scumbag and it was nice to see him blow it from a Human Babi but Joe West is not as well which actually surprises me. 'cause I think Joe West the best strike zone in the majors I don't know if that's a hot take versus some it's just that it was fun for me to watch mean Dave what was your reaction to seeing that on TV But he he tried to get Cutini through to back to back eighty six mile an hour sliders to al today and Altuve as one of the smartest sitter uh he is he's pretty good behind the plate tears you terrible in the field is very good upon the play the thing that Joe is very good at he might be the best crew chief at all you just missed it in the top ninth inning with digital here this year and you saw all the way back in two thousand and four when a-rod hit brought royals hand on it MM perspective from the game expected though the smile it wouldn't have bothered me if he was walking off and laughed it off because what do you do you know when people say tip your cap ABC takes him to town gave what was your reaction after you saw Chapman's pearly whites after you just ended the Yankee season listening to her pretty steady so that's a good sign for them going to the world series they have guys hit instead he and then when they aren't making contact their crushing it on the flip side of that for the Astros it was more timely than than anything springer didn't have a good series Carrera didn't have a good series Grell didn't have a good series but when in a little league ballpark helps too but you know roster construction is something that's always fascinated me with the Yankees because it seems to change with the era and the hit the ball the hit home runs girl had unlucky series I think he went like forty straight at bats a strikeout he just keeps hitting the ball right to people on like Alvarez who system absolute fina man just you can't say enough about what else so that means baseball at this point you know what he means but I do I do cut jabbing some slack there because it was Kinda like a shock moment was like Hong like Yup that's that's definitely gone we definitely just lost the smiles kind of a tip your cap thing it's like God he got me he beat me Oh he did but he's gotTa stood there and he was like like Yep that's just kind of get off the field very good at baseball and historically as well gave what did you think of the series from the Yankee side obviously we know that Houston pitched very well and they got very good good timely the Yankees now that was their pitching off pretty much all serious adamant of you know who could strike Babe Ruth every time can't get majorly hit out in this era because he just stunk pretty much the entire people's liking especially fan too were like dude like everybody just ran out the field these constantly look like an idiot but like you're saying Austin the hitting definitely this could be the last time I step on mountains Yankee this kinda sucks so I give them a little credit there just for the smile but I think he just lingered around a little too long for me post-season Yes but the Yankee batters outside of digitally mayhew and Liver Torres were terrible they do get over the home well I think they just Kinda got unlucky this series props to them for jumping on lander think Yeah I mean it doesn't make sense with Stanton on the roster I think that's just an Aaron Boone thing and to be fair I put it might have been corrobos from barstool but it was something like Aaron Boone went to talk individuals every single player in the clubhouse after get some hits I mean he just was another guy on the bench I just don't get that yeah I'm yeah I mean also this is the first time the first decade ever since one thousand nine hundred ten that the Yankees will not win the world series in the decade and that's it there off towards the end and I think people did notice that but looking at guys like Lemay who who they're only going to have one more year but judge Torres Andrew Heart when he gets better I don't know just a thought yeah I mean I think everybody needs to start going towards ob p. and when you look at a guy you know this team is literally built on the long ball it seems like you know playing I don't get is why do they keep Giancarlo on the roster when they could have brought on a bat that could help them you know weakness there you know if I'm the Yankees I try to move on from stand in heartbeat as well as some of these big big hitter guys like I think dee needs to go I think Edwin fascinating things I've ever heard like despite who you root for that is a fascinating STA statistics in it's just kind of same oh I'm in the Yankees are we'll get boone a little credit you know he's definitely good for the the the boys out there you know you don't hear anything badly set about him and the judge included and you kind of look at how they're constructing their team you might want to get away from the guys that WanNa back to forty to fifty hit forty home runs and I mean I guess there were a few poor managing decisions of that and then needs to go I think they need to move Gary Sanchez to d. h. because he's not that great if the catcher in once again terrible in the postseason just nine that one thirty just not good in the postseason they need to go Brett Gardner he had a terrible postseason after having a career year that started very hot a trailer game before they left and that's just like a good management thing to do not every manager's going to do that not every manager's go around personally probably to everybody that that time maybe to get him on the plane and he says Monday painting corners why are you getting upset on Monday will because the world series is tomorrow and we want to be able to comment on it without having seen a game at this point so arable who should have been pitch at bat earlier I'm surprised AJ hinch to do that in the first place but they got timely hitting along with guys like L. to Brantley Astros and into Frazier's defense I guess is when you're that much better than the rest of the competition around you and when the Yankees home and Jio at their base those kind of guys you want Clint Frazier who's just rotting away in aaa they need to bring those guys up play him and stop going to get guys at just hit home runs more you know the first year they were a little tough on the news last year but better than it was last year which isn't hard to do but he is better I saw a tweet Africa was from maybe says something in there you know at the end boys and he goes out the CC or something but good to see that but maybe Brian Cashman didn't want stanton off the roster because it was shown three run home run that was all very Linda gave was that home run last runs the game that was a dvd just got a nice swing on it and Centeno and alley this year was quote unquote next man up and you're never the next Mandy called up I'd be kind of pissed too now that the Yankees are limited no the cardinals are eliminated goes into trade Zuma's creating this year he he performed really well actually in the postseason hero when he needed to be at times hitting as of home runs by all to their end but the Yankees in Korea and springer and Gorell would you think of the Yankees and how could they look at there is closed frazier has attitude issues that's my thing that's at least what I've heard yeah he's got issues though I feel like he'd be fine on the red sox or fight on the it's time to look back on Giancarlo Stanton Trade and the label is and you know I still like the what does that was game five yeah game pitching showdown because the next really do accident look good. DD got the big hit John Carlos Stanton they trade Marcelo's Zona and they trade Christian Yelich that's the topic for next week once we don't have a world series to cover so we can go more in depth than that so that's during the for the first two during the brave series at least the braves offseason they trade Dee Gordon trait that marlins off season they trade Dee Gordon they trade we're gonNA start with Colton who do you like in the series and how many games I think this is going to be a bloodbath this series has the exact makings of like a Red Sox rockies where it's just like tainting corners football free but no sweets because there's been so many cool moments and so many like clips I just feel like they have the better team I wouldn't be surprised if the nats won't either they're hot And then the postseason that early history Max Scherzer Garrett Cole but before we dive into that and give our complete predictions we have to introduce guest and do you think about this Chicago cubs playoffs over well Austin I off great editing really good at cutting one clip some of these are actually pretty good I'm liking them so yeah so let's get to you guys you guys kick it off all right so let's go ahead and start out with just series odds in general is all it takes is getting hot so if the nats can carry their momentum over like I'm going to be interesting to see how the lots Betas fools baseball videos on youtube you know that he's done a video on the hype machine Stephen Strasburg Washington national hitting machine Juan Soto who is ridiculous putting next to another clip you are insane congratulations ins number two I was on as a pre season gambling preview heavy money on both astros sweep and Astros winning four one six fifty sweep plus five hundred for four one I'm feeling or degenerate gambling segment because it's a world series in what would a world series be without a little bit a gambling so this next segment right here is with our good friend from got exactly one of two correct world series teams and one team I honestly didn't realize that they would much and then the best thing ever lenders and his most popular video and you know that's just a shameless plug for Guy Bailey so yeah you should be watching it that has that I just love sports baseball as always we don't talk about football I'm feeling great right now this is painting corners this is baseball so you bet with your heart it's a lot easier I'm not that smart either so like betting with my brain's not like anything else you bet yards and you can point us like a raise world series where the team makes a huge Cinderella run the get to the world series and a and they're up against a huge favor are gonna live on forever this playoffs rule I is the first MLB playoffs I am winning money on let's do this ironic that the cubs are playing in your winning a good there Dave what do you think in here I am thinking that I'm going to take the over multiple games including game one I think that sore have like the the hitting drills were really suck ass so that I didn't realize that the cubs we're going to be so bad and and what do I think about it it's awesome how about that it's not but it kind of is fools baseball world series and with the world series Gabe hooligans going to win the world series and why Astros just because nine-game line just because they've been sitting for a while but I I wouldn't be surprised if the nats stole this from the Astros probably the best pitching ships that will ever see in world recent five easy yeah Houston and five and I think I might you know just sprinkle Houston in four plus eight hundred on the thing that I have in front of me Houston in five and the Washington nationals and six think you're insane gave what are we thinking here how many games who wins a huge fan but everyone's like you know what they've got this far the astros are going to smoke them easy I would be shocked if it went to six games and that's why I put live from the eight one five now that the finale is over after reaching one hundred episodes it is golden state in here we go cold and what do you think about this world series in how many games is going to be there I would put to bed down and I would do we start the year had high hopes for your Israel is picking Pita Lonzo correctly for announce feasibly died that ask yeah but right now that's that's the most important part I didn't know that they that they were gonna run the that the offense here's why and here's why I know you said like a Colorado thing we're like oh they're coming in and asked to be you're their hot this team by the way that I picked to win the end it's nauseating garbage so at their middle their middle bullpens terrible but Hudson and doolittle or fine so nationals averaged five point three runs a game during during the postseason run so far astros only averaging three point seven runs a game and guess what it's still going to be a bloodbath and I hate the city of Houston this is not can anybody give me a way that the nationals win the series Gabe can oh here we go yeah okay so here's here's what's going to happen yeah is very good that they're probably GonNa win this but Washington has gotten hitting from everybody and their pitching is just as good season that their starting pitching ask under thirteen and a half so you're telling me right now you're and I really like eight to one odds who who doesn't love to one odds so let's put it that way did you said nationals in six yeah yeah he's insane vandals Sir has thrown a lot he's cookies there he's probably gonNA have to in this world series because their bullpen is Houston Astros gods of the world series and got absolutely slaughtered by the likes of one year Ebay and Paul Kinetico so pods oh Corbin Strasbourg sherzer all go out and dominate Soto rundown Zimmerman Kendrick all those guys robe less oh God not that agree under please don't say easy money I just did and I'm going to again because I have written down all my bets and they are uh guys let's go ahead and think about this now total home runs hit in the twenty nineteen world series thirteen and a half cold guy. It's better than Yankee stadium by far but it's not much better than other blazes agree with the under here I think there's too many good starting pitchers in the series under under under for sure back from the dead for this easy money that's I three point three seven five that's all my head home runs per game I'm going to go on her that's easy money I'm writing that down all easy money the only thing that's scary is playing in Houston but they're only going to have to gains in Houston started because Washington is a lot harder than home runs in because we joke about me be biased if I was being biased I think I would say astros in six because I still can't convince myself that the nationals win the series I mean yes is plus six hundred I mean yeah naturally who's mowing their lawn the baseball's a Disney movie well here they've been they've been playing out of their minds and the Astros at the hi it's October it was what is going honestly let's talk about the inferior Chicago team this series could look like the two thousand five world series the last time party 2017 that the I agree with cold near that's that that that's gotta be easy money like there's no way up to slam on microphone if we keep saying easy money this is like the most ever series somehow miraculously goes seven games right because that's how mathworks they would have to score six six and a half runs a game in order to reach that total they're not doing that exactly just take all the unders because that's going to be awesome this is awesome student debt is going to be gone in four games for me in Houston is GonNa win just wrote the screenplay dreams three like there isn't even a tube yet I was gonna say well it's going to be when the Yankees played the White Sox God it could just be somebody driving from their

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Rendon: Did Lerners Blow It?

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:13:48 hr | 1 year ago

Rendon: Did Lerners Blow It?

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports. Fix Today on a Thursday Tommy's here errands here and I am here and we had news last last night and the news was Anthony. RENDON is gone. You predicted it. You're the first to say think that Strasbourg will be back in. Probably not on Anthony Ren d-o-n so why isn't Anthony Rendon back Tommy well. According to the reports that came out of the winter meetings and San Diego that whatever offers that were made by the nationals including the typical learners deferred money offers and and supposedly random didn't want any part of that the offer that he he agreed to in in With the angels has no deferred money. It's the full mount whatsoever ever now the deferred money was fine for Sherzer. He was okay with it. Strasburg was okay with it. And then they tried to pitch this angle that Strasberg's deferred money any would give them a chance to sign anti Riendeau and I knew that was that was just a board fairy tale You know about you know that Strasbourg. Being the great great teammate was was gonNA get Anthony and the sign there but he's gone and really what the nationals did is. They chose a thirty one. One year old pitcher with Tommy. John Surgery History over a twenty nine year old probably the second best third baseman in baseball baseball about to enter his prime. That's what they did. Ya Buries her Luga mentioned to me this morning. You know he had the the report. In September number of of what the Nats had offered right Jones he wondered if teen million between two thousand fifteen for seven years with the deferred money not matching the level of different money Johny for harper more like the deferred money for sure and what we presumed to be the deferred money for Strasbourg but he said that he always felt like Anthony Rendova had one foot out the door while Strasbourg always had one foot in the door. And I don't know that anybody in buried wasn't necessarily able to explain Blaine specifically why other than maybe the the contract structure which you know according to come in was a problem for rent on But I to wonder why you know Anthony Reknown may have been you know sort of predisposed in his own mind to leaving Washington. You had mentioned to me and I I referred to this yesterday. I think on the radio show maybe on the podcast you said to me. I don't know as a year ago was before the baseball season. You said Anthony Rangoon's a person that doesn't like change. She doesn't like to be the center of attention. And by the way signing with the angels with another major superstar on the team and his Aaron pointed out the second most important baseball team even in the way that he is going to be very much sort of in the background even though he gets the big money he's not going to the expectations and the lime in the spotlight aren't going to be super a bright and and Super high so but you said to me. He's a guy that doesn't love change that he's sort of a creature of comfort and that you know that that may work in the nats favor that he won't WanNa leave this situation that he's become very comfortable in but ultimately why did he leave before we get to this the structure of the contract because maybe if they had offered him an aeronautical style deal money-wise with not you know significant or with no deferred money. Maybe he would have substate. But do you think it was more than just the money or the contract structure you know I mean. It's just so speculative at this point his best friend on the team that since he's been here was Daniel Murphy and he saw Murphy go from New York to Washington to Colorado so he seen his best friend move around. He realized that that that's the way that's the business of baseball. It's not the end of the world and went when you move from one team to another I'm sure He probably took some advice from Daniel Murphy in that sense but You know ran. Condone is is such a strange cat the nationals did all they could to try to connect him to the community by making him the designated aided player to be on the board of directors for the Youth Academy and figured that you know maybe you know like making him part of that community the effort would give him more ties but he just he just. He's always been a distant kind of player. I mean you know. He's come out and said he he doesn't WanNa play more than five or six years even though he just signed a seven year deal So he's he's a different kind of cat who You know when when when you talk to him. He's great to talk to but he doesn't like to talk to you. You know in in that sense now. Here's the other thing thing. Is this a deciding factor. No I'm sure absolutely not but if I were to angels and I were selling Anthony Ramdan. Anti Randolph is a devout Christian. He did an interview with with a minister earlier this year. That said he wants to be known as more more of a Christian than a ball player. So it's very important him. This was his connection with Murphy both devout Christians. Well he's going. He's going to wonder under the Christian capitals of the World Orange County and L.. It is I mean. This is where the mega churches were built. That's where the crystal the Robert Shore our power came from also a very conservative county. Yes but it's very I mean this is. This is where the mega churches were born in Orange County. And I'm sure you know it didn't hurt. If you're the angels to sell him on that but ultimately it was probably the money I mean it was probably the money but I mean. Are you surprised that it was the angels and not the Rangers like some work at home. Yeah I am because I thought I thought the Rangers had I mean it turns out that you know Arne Merano went to the At at the end at the winter meetings he owner of the angels really wanting Anthony Rendong really wanting to make the move form. I didn't expect at that I'd say if it wasn't for him. The Rangers probably would have been the front runner. Now I might want to point out that the nationals had two thousand nine hundred ninety ninety nine days to sign Anthony Ren d-o-n without anybody else competing with right. So do you give how much he do you you can. Do you give the learners for getting this done a lot. I mean you know the minute. Bryce Harper signed with Philadelphia. The next stay they should signed Anthony Rendell. They weren't aggressive enough. No they when they when there was no angel to talk to know Rangers to talk to him. They they they just they just treated it like a typical learners negotiation and people will say well you know I mean look even Rizzo had some and questions about investing a lot of money and rendall and I know in spring training I had heard that renaissance wanted Jose altuve money and the nationals and and and the front office balked at that. But I mean at that once Harper left there was more to signing ringtone than just whether or not he was worth the money. You knew he wasn't going to be a bust. He had played long enough and had performed well enough particularly in the year. Before where you a new year money wouldn't be wasted. I mean you might be paying more than you think you should for at the time maybe twenty five home runs and one hundred. RBI is and and maybe it to ninety average but he wasn't going to be a bust. Okay the nationals overpaid a ridiculous amount of money to bring Jason Jason Worth The Washington for reasons other than baseball. I mean that's the whole point of the word signing was a signal to the rest of the of were surly industry that we're serious about one so they've done it before they've overspent money before on a player for reasons other than baseball. They needed to do that again with Rando now the you know the nationals Two of their three number one picks from two thousand nine two two thousand eleven have walked away Bryce Harper and Anthony Ren Don I I think the learners you know made a mistake their their payrolls high they spend money but you know they had an opportunity to bring back the team that was arguably the best team in baseball From the end of May on last year was yeah and then and like my point out a chance to build something here that would make the Washington nationals the premier franchise in all baseball not the Yankees. Not The dodgers not the red sox. I mean you know what's better than one world series two world series. Why not three world series? You know why not why not think bigger why not think about. We've got an opportunity here. We have right now a great baseball team. That's together and we have a chance to bring them back next year and and without a one thousand nine hundred thirty one start. Maybe this time so I just think it's a lack of vision. It's always a lack of vision when it comes to these people. It's a bottom line mentality and a lack of being an a lack of boldness envision as you were talking I was thinking Ed. Hey I agree with you That you know that they should have been more bold. They should have had more vision and they could have gotten a deal. That was probably probably favorable for them. That would look great today. Yes you know a similar fashion. I'm not making an apples to apples. Comparison parison with Kirk cousins. All right I'm not doing that. Ren Dones a superstar and champion. I understand that but it's the same lack of vision. The redskins had with cousins. They could have gotten him on the cheap essentially you know and it would have looked really good down the road but as you were talking about the learners you know it occurred to me that these are people who first of all are very financially disciplined. And they've got a philosophy financially and when it comes to operating this team they've had a philosophy financially and the worst time to tell someone like that to think differently is right after they won. Yes it is. So they're not going to all of a sudden change the way they do business after winning the world series in fact there's probably something in them that says we'll show again no harper last year. No random this year this is the way we do business and we'll figure it out more when it again next next year. I'm I'm sure they're probably agree with me. That that's the moment where you need to step on the gas even even more definitely when you're leading the race but people who are conservative. You know financially in very disciplined. It's hard to shake Jacomb from their spot especially when they're having success and they've had success in business they've had success in baseball and now there are champion in baseball. Also you're not going to get them off their game. The only thing that I would say is first of all. They should have had the vision and should've seen earlier. Yeah and done something about it but when you have that kind of financial philosophy and discipline you know you can coming off a unique circumstance. A unique unique win which is the world series which with it brings increased revenue unexpected increased revenue unexpected increased valuation nation in your franchise value. That maybe then you can just come off your market a little bit and say you know what let's go forward again. And this guy's crucial crucial to it and so maybe we do veer off the path here that we've always stuck to because we just did something that was utterly unique for totally a unique for us which is win the whole thing and baseball and it and we can justify it because look at. We're we're projecting in revenue because of increased attendance and increased is television stuff. And I know there's a whole mess mess still going on. And then they're gonNA get their money itself so in the value of the franchise even though we'd never intend to sell it. It's going to be in the family for four decades and generations to come. The value of the franchise is going to go up Maybe we we change for this specific person because you know what we do know who this person is. He's our own. He's a great player. He's a star player. He's clutch player. He's a low maintenance player. He's a great teammate. He's a beloved loved player. That just went through a month along with Strasbourg that is we talked about the other day matches. Maybe only Reagan's in January of eighty eighty three forms of postseason all time performances. And maybe you know this is the one. We've we've veer off our normal track for but I don't think think that clearly there's also in there a little bit of a defiance you know like we proved it to you that we could do it by not by structuring. The deals feels that we want them structured. The players don't like it. We'll win without him. We won without Harper. We can win without random. I do. I would like to understand more about the structure. These deals because It was made I was told yesterday maybe or maybe this morning that there is interest interest payments involved in this in this deferred money. I'd love to know what that interest rate is because you can do the math on this and I'm not suggesting that Boris and don't don't do the math on this clearly. The deferred contract structure is not as appealing as a structure that doesn't have deferred money. That's obvious to anybody. Basically you're not getting the value value of that money today in the value of that money working for you for the next many years. It's working for them because they're holding onto it and they're not paying you for another ten in fifteen years or whatever it is and in parks case you know. It was reported that the last payment of the deferred money was in twenty fifty two. Yeah which I can understand that that would be a bit of an off-putting way to present a deal at some. If if you want to feel truly wanted it. That's not the kind of deal that's going to convince somebody Eddie that that that they should stay right now the Strasbourg you know. He didn't have a problem with it but remember. He didn't have a problem in two thousand seventeen or twenty sixteen signing a deal that was much under market value writing to most. He wants to be here yes you know so they were going to have to come up with something different. We're GONNA find out By the way I would think at some point and buried in have that information if they ever came back in up there offer from the September offer of two hundred and fifteen million over seven years. I would assume that after what he did in October. That that offer Went up some. If they had a new offer that it went went up at some level call. I wouldn't assume that you would now. Okay well because if you just said that they came back and they offer to twenty five for seven. You're talking about in real dollars before you get to the deferred. It was a true seven year to twenty five the difference difference of three million a year between that in the angels offer. I know and that's where you get your like really. Yeah but again. It's not you know that's not the way to compare it because the nets that's author would have had significant deferred money right He's GonNa be He's GonNa be missed. You know I think heart. I know that people think they won. The World Series is because Harper wasn't here. I don't really understand that. That mindset. Maybe it's true. Maybe the law the clubhouse was different may be it lent itself to more you. You know Winning Environment Without Harper. There I don't. I don't get that. I think Harper was a great player by the way turned out to have a pretty damn good year in his first year in Philadelphia. L. Fia but They had they had robe. Licensed in Soto. They're you know they have sort of an answer. They don't really have an answer here unless of course worse. They're GONNA do what everybody thinks they're going to do in that is go out and pay a thirty four year. Old One hundred million over four years right and Donaldson and you don't know how he's GonNa fit right well. He's apparently a different different character. Yeah Yeah so you don't know how he's GONNA fit in to a remarkable. I mean the best chemistry that national team has ever had at this point. Why that's why? How Kendrick WanNA reasons? Howie Kendrick wanted to come back right? Because he recognized that this was something unique and something special. Oh that you can't necessarily replicate anyplace else Again you know the time to sign learn. The time Simon Dawn was before four. He went to free agency at any point. They could have done that. They knew what kind of player he was You know he he capitalized on. MVP caliber season. But even before that he he was a terrific player and again they knew their money wouldn't be wasted they might overspend. They might pay. They might have paid him more than they thought he was worth but their money would not have been wasted at that point so oh so now now we move on and then we. We're not moving on yet because because we got to see how the national because we with you just have to remember what this dude did over the month of October I know he hits three twenty eight he had three home runs and fifteen. Rbi He is. He hit a home run in the eighth that cut it to three two two. Before Sodas home run in game five against the dodgers. He had the home run against cranky. That basically led. Aj hinch to believing that was just a mess which may have been the key. Winning that Game God did he deliver. It could argue. They don't win. The World Series Without Rendell Dahlie delivered in such a way that I don't know it's appealing to me in the same way. Collide Leonard's appealing to me. It's like there's no there's no look at me there's no self-absorption there's there's no craziness on social media. You knew what you had in him. You had a first class clutch performing a player who right is entering his prime. At that point he's twenty nine years old he's entering his prime and there's certain level that would to think that that you can just go out and replicate this by getting another player. You try to tell them. They're being arrogant right. After they won the world series and they can point to all of these massive real estate properties and developments in communities that they own it which is why they're real estate business. They are the richest owners reports in all of baseball. And how many how. How many billions are they worth? What what what level? I don't know I don't know why I I don't know either skits billions. I know it's probably five at least I'm going to look that up. I I remember reading this recently You know maybe Rendong also just like some more laid-back lifestyle like I was thinking about the whole in a you mentioned you know southern California in the the Christian thing in Orange County but man when you live in southern California in Orange County you're playing in Anaheim and you can go you know and and hang out at Newport Beach Laguna beach and some of those places that are like twenty minutes away thirty minutes away. What's wrong what's wrong with doing nothing talk with Dewi Beach? Nothing's wrong with Bethany beach at all. But maybe you know maybe the lifestyle you know something you know that fits his instead. Certain certainly what we see outwardly. This personality of Total laid-back. Calm you know easy going. You know yell it's maybe in like like the rat race in the real difficult media market that is Washington DC crazy. I'm not crazy about that. But what's interesting is Last spring when he met with reporters Ran Don't basically went out of his way to say. Boris works for me. Okay remember that yes. Yeah and and again I think that the not know deferred money was strictly a random thing because Boris's use so working with the learns done on it I read did I mean did Harper basically tell Boris and the thing about the corporate deferred but but again the Harford deferred. Money was not as an was. Not The figure that everybody repossess which you've said well it's true. Okay I mean it wasn't one hundred dollars in the Strasbourg. Sure Zor rendition tone deferred. Yes it was it was it was so much deferred money and so out in the future that it was almost an offer that he couldn't accept. Well all all I know is the present. According to the Players Union form formula the present day value of that deal was two hundred sixty seven million dollars which is which is which is around three million short of the phillies offer right but also right about his story three hours more than what Boris's media minions reported okay. They reported it was one hundred. Eighty million dollars present-day value. We're parsing millions of dollars year million dollars sixty seven seven three thirty three thirty to sixty seven and one eighty oh I I was comparing it to the phillies and I'm comparing it to what I actually reported by by Bore Senate and his media army was they found was who was it that reported the hundred eighty eighty. It was VERTUCCI. Yeah that it was basically came out to one hundred eighty four million and that's not true two hundred sixty seven million. Okay Goodbye. Anthony still not a move to convince a guy to stay no matter what you say and again you know I mean this. There's there's a level of arrogance at play here instead of having the vision to say You know it's it's like being in the Strip club and you finally get in the VIP. I P room. Oh God don't do that. And and now you gotta stay in the VIP room. No no no no no not. The rooms are trapped. He got that away you can try to get in you finally got the VIP room. Now what are you going to do to stay right. Stay Away from the VIP Aka the Champagne Lounge. Stay away from it. It's a trap all right it when we when we come back like like. I'm breaking radio after this three. We're GONNA talk a little Bill Callahan. And and what he said yesterday about Twain Haskins and Josh Norman but first a quick word about mybookie DOT AG. It's an exciting time for sports. You got Thursday night football Aaron and I gave you out to free winners yesterday. Didn't we Aaron Illinois Rutgers We did give those out on the podcast right. y'All we definitely measure them they were. 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And a half or fourteen are the vikings were the next next year for the chiefs and then there's also one so that that's a Baltimore lot line that's close to the super bowl line there. You Go So it is an exciting time of the year. The holiday time all the football all sports going on great time If you're looking to get into wagering be careful tread lightly but if you don't have a place to play check out my bookie dot ag if you join right now mybookie will match your deposit halfway all the way up to one thousand dollars that means if you deposit two thousand dollars. There's you get an extra thousand dollars in free money to play with you. Have to use my Promo code to qualify for that. My Promo Code Is Kevin D. C. K. E. V. I N. D. C. Promo Code Kevin. DC At my bookie DOT AG. Kevin you know I I was just talking about about the VIP room at a Strip club which I'm unfamiliar. We heard about. I've told you stories about it because I heard stories you know and at at the time I was talking about it I get a call on my cell phone from Russia now. I've heard I've heard that there's Oughta Oughta Eastern European club would know about it. I I don't know that either. I'm kind of surprised about that But it's a unique a coincidence that I got a call from Russia. Yeah well when when I'm just having been in Russia no I've never told me before you've been the rush I haven't I'd actually like like to go heard it's fantastic. I have no idea why because I don't care you don't care about traveling you like to travel. Yeah Yeah I mean I don't why would I want to go to rush. Not Because I've heard it's spectacular and beautiful in the whole thing I I haven't been to any of the eastern bloc. I've been to Berlin but but I have not been actually I'd like to go to Prague because I hear Prog is supposed to be the the frogs great too. Yeah so that's that's pretty much it other than that. I've not take your interest. Is there a place that you'd like to go other than Prague. What's on your travel? Slow on an island. I've never been I haven't either. I WANNA go okay so I want to go to island and I like to go to Alaska. I've never been to Alaska not another country. I realize thanks left eaters. I just want to point that out not another country but you can see Russia from Alaska. Yes you can yes you can other than that you know. I'm curious about about Africa Because I really do think that over the next twenty to thirty years that there's going to be tremendous opportunities for -tunities in Africa in terms of growth and change but as far as traveling. I've been Australia. I've been to Italy. I like to go back to Cuba. I've been the south. I I mean my job took me to a Lotta places. Yeah I was very lucky Islands is now on the top of my list. There you go That's a that's at the top OPPA. MYLA's too I I'm going to do with my three sons at some point in the very near future we're going to do you know sort of race in Ireland and maybe Scotland Combined Gulf trip. You know where we that sounds great. I think that's what we're GONNA do. It's an I I haven't been to Ireland so when he's going to do and I'd also like to go to Newport beach which is not out of this country but after talking about Orange County and thinking about Newport beach and how beautiful it is it'd be great to get out there for a few days when it gets cold. When are you going to do this? Trip you know you gotTa stop talking about it. You're right about that and we've talked about it and talked about it as a family and we're GONNA do it. Maybe this coming summer if not the following summer for sure the problem it's a it's always a problem is now my oldest. You know he's not in school he's out working. He's got a job. We can half off a healthy for me to take a week Anapa but not in the summer we can do that. All right So yesterday Bill Callahan. My Guy Bill my man Bill Callahan. Had Oh my God Tommy. This press conference yesterday was fourteen minutes long. I've told people this before and it somebody asked him. How do you know what? Because all of these press conferences. This is are available to all of you in some of you said how do you listen. You're not out there right. And I know they're all online gonNA REDSKINS DOT COM com. Go to you know. EAGLES DOT COM. They put all of their press conferences. Up there for you to watch and you go through a bunch of NFL sites and look at the Wednesday press conferences from the coach. His you'll see most of them average six seven minutes eight minutes tops. He's got him at thirteen. Fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen minutes being a member of the media media you would you. Would you should welcome that. Well he gives you more content. They're true you go he. He's just trying to explain. Thanks he's he does take some time explaining things so there were two things Yesterday that he talked about that were interesting to me. Number one was In his comments about Dwayne Haskins which will get to in a moment and then number two. And you missed the conversation yesterday that I had with Aaron and all AH everybody that That listened to the podcast yesterday About Josh Norman and how he continues to be active even though on Sunday he he didn't a second straight week he didn't was out there for one snap special teams or defense and was only one of two players who wasn't on the field for a snap in the game I'll start there and I'll come back to Haskins in a moment because the Haskins conversation may require many of. You demanded an apology for me on Monday I may. They actually demanded an apology from you. On what on what Callahan said about Haskins. Yeah some of you may have to cover your ears for this one. You may have to so Josh Josh Norman. Tommy has not played a snap. The last two games on Sunday. He was one of only two players that didn't play snap. The other one was case keenum. Although many of the people out there think the case keenum should have been in the game He has in his contract. A five hundred thousand dollar annual bonus which gets it's divvied up into sixteen weeks thirty one thousand two hundred and fifty dollars a week for being on the active forty six man roster last week against Carolina. This Guy Chris Odem remember him number played really well after being signed off the scrap heap earlier in the week. Yes and he was down fully healthy. He was a he was a healthy scratch. And yet Josh Norman was up for the game and you know Goldie was actually she talking about it yesterday morning as I was on my way in and I thought wow when it's it had me thinking about a lot of things which I'll get to with you in a moment. I don't want to be repetitive from yesterday's show but I do want to have that conversation briefly with Tommy but it is insane if you have no intention of playing Josh Norman to have him him up and active. When you've got a guy in Chris Oldham that played really well that you may WanNa see more of? I mean all these young players should be getting these minutes. You've already decided sided. That Josh Norman is not going to play for you. You an injured players on Saturday at the corner position. Moreau went out came back in Dunbar was hurt and any still did not go into the game. Didn't play one snap in the game. I think if they had lost another corner case keenum may have gone again to the play corner before Josh Norman in so yesterday once again Callahan was asked about Norman being inactive in the game and these were among his shorter answers on why Josh Norman remains active quote. He's in some different packages and he's still up and in a role all where we could potentially play so that's his role as it stands right now shortest answer of the entire press conference by miles. Then he's asked a little but later on. I think it was by Ben Standing as a follow up on Josh Norman Basically but you know he wasn't you you had injured players and he still didn't play a snap and he said and then and then Ben followed up again and said what does he need to do to get back onto the field just to cont- in Callahan said quote. Just continue to work and be himself improve on all aspects of his game as we are. We are looking for a few more players. Danny Johnson's it's come up. They just brought him up. He came out of the PUP and we put him up this week Sudan. He will be up and we're looking at him and CO WTN's getting a little bit more of a look so we're looking at all these DVD's because of where we're at late in the year and we're just trying to get a little bit. More evaluation of the younger players close quote really. Didn't answer the question because he doesn't have an answer for the question because in my particular opinion it's not his decision not his call. Even though remember he demanded roster control. Somebody is putting Josh Norman and demanding that Josh Norman be active. I think in this I it could be completely off but it makes sense to me that somebody's got him up there because they want him to continue to collect these bonuses and my question is why why. Why would they cave and Kowtow in genuflect to Josh Norman while simultaneously? Are you trying to bleed figuratively Trent Williams. Exactly exactly if the idea is to show to players that that that you're not you're not gonNA hurt them that you're you're going to support them. That ship has sailed with Trent Williams. It's so ridiculous I don't and so when I heard the I just gave you the quotes from the answers yesterday Callahan. I guarantee you if he's active again on Sunday. Maybe the pressure in the questioning. actioning of this is going to make the redskins reconsider on Sunday. But if he's up again and dozen play a snap and you've got younger players healthy that are down will then. I mean we've already seen it two weeks in a row so you have to question already right why they've done that And maybe you know. Maybe he'll be down this week. Maybe they'll feel the pressure of some of these questions and say it's becomes too obvious they were trying to get josh some of this extra money. It just it's stupid it's so them it's so and I and I said yesterday and I'll and I'll shorten it because many of you have already heard it and you listened to it yesterday and you agreed with me most of you. It just made me think about what they are as an organization about how you know they tend to focus on things that don't help winning you know and I went through. Aw All of their community involvement all of their charitable you know causes you know we know because we worked for the station that was owned by Dan Snyder. How important a lot of these charity events vents? In how important how often we got asked to go to an event with Ryan Kerrigan was somebody else and this is what they really lived for these things things community things and there's nothing wrong with that and I made that very clear yesterday. It's all the be applauded and admired. But it's always been the most important thing for the owner you know Ryan Kerrigan should have been traded but Ryan Kerrigan is. Hey True Redskin. Dans is this is a guy. That's been a true redskin. Even even though his record as a redskin a is fifty six eighty six in one. That's the team's record since Ryan Kerrigan has been here with zero playoff wins and but that's important to them and they they're already beginning to make plans for his ring of fame induction and I mentioned yesterday. Let's hope they don't do a London Fletcher with Kerrigan. They spell his name correctly. But it's always been so important to them and many people said. Did you take too far there. I think maybe part of my perspective comes from knowing in in in in dealing with with them. These are the things that matter. It's what doc always said you know. Basically comes comes from docks theory about the Redskins that nobody does Monday through Saturday better than skits. It's game days. That have always been the challenge in part of it. Is that the owner. He doesn't know anything about football. He doesn't know how to win in this sport. So these other things that you know he believes fans are relating to like holding moving up Chris Samuels and all of these former players and Ryan. Kerrigan is going to be the next one and you know taking care of Josh Norman. You know in doing right by Josh. Norman Norman is somehow like meaningful not so you meaningful. This is come on. This is coming from the owner. And you think I don't know I'm not coming from Bruce. Could be coming from Bruce. That doesn't sound like Rousseau. Could be coming from Bruce Bruce's a bottom line guy when it comes to money except that Josh was his Guy Yeah J.. That was one of those. It Josh in Sean Jackson. And then the Alex Smith Trade right you know where the big three you know different moves for him and then Landon Collins this year her and maybe he got pressured into that one. But remember Bruce Allen has made a career here in Washington of underspending for subpar players. I getting great contract value on very average to less than average players. That's going to be what I'm going to remember sound for a lot of things winning off the field you know damn good culture all of that stuff but good God you know this guy would fit in perfectly with the learners. What do you perfectly I see what what do you mean? Remember Broussin you speak of him in the past tense. I WANNA point out. It's Thursday December twelve right in the week that Bruce Allin was going to be jettisoned and he's still there in fact I think I read somewhere. He went with Dan to the owner. Apparently he's there so this doesn't sound like a guy. Oh God you're hoping for so much there's nothing right now Tommy's number one priority. In terms of local sports is for Bruce Allin to remain came in the same position if not given more power like wouldn't you love a press release. It says Bruce Alan he just he's the team president he's also been. I'm giving now additional responsibilities in the football operations the new head coach. Oh my God that would be a new head coach. I don't think he's coming back back. Well areas and I sat on the podcast and on the radio show last week. I said keep an eye on this week. Meaning right now right we could believe meetings for some news and and Lockenfora and I think a couple of others reported the same thing. We're not done with the week yet. Now we're not we're not but you know maybe come and close to beat the packers. I warned everybody. If you get a close loss or God forbid a win over the packers it could change every valley absolutely I look. I still think winning out against three division opponents while they got three games left right. Yeah all against the giants cowboys against three division opponents that totally changes the conversation on my God and they can you they call it they. They can beat the eagles they they can beat the giants. Imagine Imagine Bruce Allin Back Bill Callahan. Back you know. And somehow they're trying to sell that to you for twenty twenty. I mean people are locked into season tickets. You would have season tickets are ah you would have nobody there next year. Nobody there I know but you know they out rated Buffalo Baltimore. Yeah I know I know but still but I think there's more about the packers. Ah The opponent but still I mean I mean. We're that we have that. We're having this discussion now every week. That whose ratings are higher. It's something you never thought. Would how about the conversation that started yesterday. With the Scott Allens story in the post about you know how some die hard. Lifelong redskin fans are now rooting for the Ravens. I'm GonNa get to the Haskins thing in a moment. Remind me not to forget what Callahan said about Haskins. But how about that whole thing yesterday heavy. Did you write a column Monitor. Monitor radio talking about it. I was on radio talking about with Chad yesterday. I do think that there have been a handful of die. Hard redskins ends fans. who have who have changed allegiance? I think what you've seen. More is a generation of sports fans. Here that have grown up the younger fan. Yeah I know but that's not what we're talking. That's not what Scott Allen was right. I know that and I'm saying I was writing about somebody like me. Who decided because of their disgust? I'm going to root for the wave and I'm saying that that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem I are the young fans and and the new fans moving to the area that decide. Yeah well you know my team was the Chicago bears. But I mean I'm I live in Washington I live in. PG county now. I live in Montgomery County and I wanNA root for the local local team. They're going to pick the ravens because the ravens there are a lot more fun and just as easy to get to from from any of these places much better lying stadium invest. Yeah so that. That's the big concern. The big concern are the new fans. I mean you should be concerned about the parents who have kids who you know. The kids often look to the parents to say. WHO's your team? That's going to be my team so there is some of that but I agree with you. Of course I mean my boys are not massive passive. They have no emotional connection to the redskins. The only connection they have the Redskins is me. You know in the time that they would spend with me watching watching redskin games you know. When they were younger they still care? I got two of my three boys will watch the Games and start to watch the games but like this year your I know there. They immediately turned the rest of the NFL. You know the red zone channel to watch the other Games. They're not they're not sticking with a loser like the redskins weakened in week out for three hours look at the presence and influence of the Ravens Ari. Problem it's a problem. I mean we can argue. How big of a problem promise but but it is a problem and the second biggest fan base behind the redskins in this town? NFL Wise Ravens cowboys cowboys. I think I do too. But that's been that's it's been that way it might be it might be that in every single. NFL City and in Washington. The cowboys have had a strong presence since since the early since the George Preston Marshall Days when a lot of African American fans root for the cowboys because the redskins didn't have black players and and the cowboys had a lot of them. And so that that that's rooted in some deep deep Generations the cowboys fans ends presence. Here so yeah I still think the cowboys would be the second biggest particularly in the city I think once you get out to Montgomery and PG county then it changes us more Montgomery County PG county but even there that that's the bat. That's that's where the ravens the Ravens would love. I I mean look everyone knows. I don't know if everyone those stories. But Steve Shoddy and Dan Snyder or not France there There was a confrontation according to the story at Steve Shoddy House that that was an embarrassing confrontation. I don't know the details of what we've all heard that SH- BUSHATI BISCHOFF was throwing a big party. That's neither showed up with you. Know some of his henchman. Whoever they were and at the front door said please tell Steve that that Mr Snider yes right. Yeah and Steve Shoddy basically said Mr Schneider really tell him to go fuck himself and he's not invited into the party. That's the story. I have no idea right through but but it it's a story that has a lot right right. I'm more or less. I think it was over a reference to the Mr Snider Reference Yeah. I don't know Dan said Steve for Shoddy Shaadi that you know my you know you call me Mr Snider or something like that. which he's done a lot of people over the years so so the Ravens would love nothing better than than to be able to tweak and bury the redskins as as much as they could run and there are certain limits that they can? They can't and they can't they. There's certain marketing marketing restrictions against them coming into the redskins market. But every other way they can they'll push the envelope. Well you know what's ironic. Is that like like. There are a lot of Oriole fans in Washington because we didn't have baseball for all those years. There are many less cates not comparable to the orioles fans in DC. But there are I hear from all the time. A lot of them listened to us have listened to us for years. You know when the when the colts left in in eighty four on that snowy morning in whatever march of eighty four whenever it was You know A lot of people because the Redskins were at their height you know they were winning super bowls goals and they were. It was the gibbs you know it was the gibbs era A lot of Baltimore Colt fans you know. They were so disgusted with what say done they. They rooted for the Redskins. I think you're overstating I I said it's not comparable to the Orioles fancier but there are i. I know a lot of them started to route from but it's it's a fraction of the sports fans that adopted the Orioles site. Okay I that making that point but there are some of them but anyway I just think I personally on the whole issue of you know jumping ship. It's okay in. This is my opinion. It's okay to to watch Seles to not spend money on the team anymore to not go to games anymore to not care to demand. Change to become apathetic I have a hard time. I'm believing that if somebody at you know call it thirty five years of age or older so they really had an attachment or had. The opportunity need to be attached to the redskins that they jumped ship for the Ravens or another team. I have a hard time believing that that person was a real loyal emotionally. Attached touched passionate fan to begin with. There's there's zero chance in the way I'm built that I could root for the Ravens is my a favorite team a root for the cowboys or the Eagles or adopt another team. I agree with Jude. I just couldn't do it. I agree with that. I'm disgusted with the REDSKINS. Yeah I make them right now. Having a position that that where you essentially do a personal boycott of the Redskins is not the same thing as changing allegiance leases and rooting for you know in this way a financial rival more than any other kind of rival. I mean if you WANNA make a statement and I know you scoff scoff at this but if you WanNa make a statement and root for a team go see the XFL. I'm really excited about cartel joan go CITGO CD. XFL Defense they fill that stadium every for every home game. What do you mean? They fill it if they haven't played a game if they feel for for all their home games and they represent any kind of competitive who owns. Football Vince McMahon. He owns all old team. He owns the leak. Yeah so I mean I mean that if you WANNA make a statement on another team show up at XFL Games. That's what I would do if I was a fan I. I wouldn't root for the Ravens if I was a Redskins Fan. I wouldn't do that that would like I mean like when I you know I compare it to when I was a mets fan and they traded Tom seaver and and I said that's it. I'm out until they sell the team to new owners. Turn around and Roofer Rookie Yankees you would have had to stuck. Needles does in my eyes for me to root for the Yankees. Oh my God and really the Ravens are not the equivalent of. I mean. The Ravens are not a rival of the redskins and so it's just financially right financially their arrival football rival Keno. Now I want to get to this comment about Dwayne Haskins so my man Bill Callahan. Practice yesterday wasn't headed a practice city really the bottom. NOPE and Callahan said. Afterwards he looked great. I think everything everything did an individual was seamless. I thought it was really clean. I thought it was flawless. I thought there were no setbacks. I saw fluidity. We moved him in and out of the pocket quite a bit. Today's well so if there was any apprehension possibly not testing it or looking at a deeply. We wouldn't have done what we did. There were a lot of movement actions a lot of different things we did on him on the perimeter so no there was nothing holding him back. He was fully clear it was just a very mild ankle sprain that he went through Sunday closed quote. It didn't look like Echeverri. Mild Ankle Sprain. A love the way like he's he's essentially laying out we. We basically did everything on the field today to tell him mm that we knew there wasn't anything wrong with his ankle and that he was overly dramatic on Sunday which he was. Don't we know that. Now how about an apology to your. Oh boy all of you demanding that I apologize because I accused him of faking injury. I never did that. I accused him. I suggested didn't accused him. I suggested based on you know personal life experiences. Occasionally there are people. When they're sick or injured they play it up big like I played a lot of basketball? The ball over my life. dudes have missed like a breakaway layup. And then all of a sudden they're limping going down on the other end of the court like they were hurt like that's why they missed it. dwayne wasn't wasn't playing. Well he did get an ankle injury. We saw the Preston Smith landing on the ankle. He played it up a little bit during the game he came over he was cleared. Why was he cleared? Because is it wasn't like there was a lot of issues with the with the flexibility with the movement in the ankle after they tested it but he was playing it up planet up big time and because of it Mandy he gets people riled up you know people in the media comparing him to the. Rg three situation. How could you do it? Callahan's is doing here is he's mocking you. Who thought he was seriously hurt and to a certain degree making sure that Dwayne knows you're fine? We had gone through all this stuff just to prove to you that we know that you're fine. He was fine. But when you when you talk about an ankle sprain mild. You don't say very mild ankle sprain trying to make the point usually usually I think I think I may have had that one right. I think you did and and look at more context on that faking K.. Not Faking just playing it up a little bit a little bit dramatic more context on that. Let's not forget the the press conference after the Detroit game where he was asked about missing the open wide receivers and instead of standing standing up there and saying you know I gotTa do a better job or there was some miscommunication on my part or something like that. He all of a sudden said. I had a wrist injury injury. Yeah you know and I think that was the first time that Bill Callahan ever heard that that Dwight that Blaine Haskins had a wrist injury in that game. Now I'm I'm GonNa take a portion of the show to be more positive about Dwayne Haskins because I am More encouraged more positive about him than you are. I think in a lot of other other people because I'm going to read to you. What Callahan said when he was asked about what Haskins has progressed in Housi- improved? It'd be specific. It was a long answer. It was like a three minute answer on this one so I'm GonNa read you just a portion of it because I thought this was interesting. Callahan said quote everybody. He is throwing everything at him when I like about him is nothing fazes him. He's got an unbelievable poise about him. He's got a calm that he recognizes recognizes the fact that he's getting heated up or seeing these different pressures and looks he's just absorbing it taking it all in learning going back to the bench sitting down with Kevin Kevin O'CONNELL and Timur going through it recognizing what he needs to do better and then trying to improve the next time around. I like that aspect of him. He's not a repetitive added of guy a repetitive mistake player where you continually see the small mistakes over and over again. He makes a mistake. He recognizes it. He moves on and and you don't see a repetitive error. Come back into his game. There's been a lot of growth in that. Respect closed quote. You know so this was who's part of like a three minute answer where he was being very positive about Dwayne Haskins and I it makes me immediately think back to in a September October. Where you know Callahan himself said Dwayne knows? He's not ready remember. He said that in all of the leaks coming out about his unreadiness about his lack of preparation about him not knowing the playbook etc etc.. which by the way just as a quick aside is why I think in these press conferences as some in the media believe he comes off is a bit smug or arrogant again I think he's just distrusting? That's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a guy that is distrusting of the people in front of him because of everything that happened in September and October before he started to play which by the way a lot of it came from national pundits more than local people. So he's a victim already. No I'm not paying. That's that's the best him you trust somebody you think they did something to you. Okay if that's if that's your yes. Based on that I think he believes that he was a victim of some bad and inaccurate media. Attention that position for the REDSKINS game. But you know no. It isn't familiar. What isn't familiar is that He's not making continually the same mistakes over and over and over again because one of the things that Robert Robert Griffin the third did we were told this by multiple people including Mike Shanahan and others after the fact that he continued to make the same mistakes over and over over again and the reason he did that is he wasn't coach. -able remember what we were told was a griffin's favorite answer to any kind of direction or coaching yet. Yeah I got it I got it. I got it except for the fact that he never had it and then the next game he continued to back up instead of stepping into the pocket and it was the same mistakes. Repetitive petted. Mistakes over and over again. Busy didn't get it and he thought he had all the answers but he didn't. I love what Callahan said. First of all all about nothing fazes him because that was the my first hunch about Duane in watching him in a redskins uniform is that this guy is not the Kinda guy you rattle. This is not the Kinda guy that's going to become less confident because of poor results. He's competitive and he's going to feel always like he can do it and I love I love that about him and I do see a poise and calm about him. There've been a couple of big time throws he's made including on Sunday that throat a Sims on third and sixth the throat to WHO Kelvin Harmon on third and six or eight or whatever it was which turned into a really good throw where held on poised and threw it at the last second. And you know in in Harmon made the catch a great run afterwards. Set up the first score which came after the ankle injury As an aside but I am rooting being for Dwayne Haskins. I know people have tweeted me like it. Sounds like you're sort of rooting for him. I am because I think that he was. I think he took the brunt of some of this media media in some of these leaks and some of it was probably unfair and inaccurate and I think that even a guy like bill. Callahan is starting learning to recognize watching. Play that there's more to him than they thought in September and October and that he's not the the massive long-term project I'm not suggesting or or I'm not predicting and I'm certainly not convinced that he's the long-term answer quarterback. I don't feel that way yet. I don't but I do think that week in week out. We see more from him and I watched his press conference yesterday. I've been watching them all on Wednesdays and you know no. I think there's a little bit of an underdog element to him right now and so I don't I don't I'm not. I'm not predicting he's GonNa turn out to be great. I'm not There are some flags I don't know how red they are. You know Haskins and Haskins the wrist in the overly dramatic way in which he carried his ankle. Ankle around with them on Sunday But there's a lot to him. Also that I think you know is for me just gut tells tells me that he's got a chance and also tells me that Unless they could draft Joe Borough which they're not gonna be able to draft him that he's going to be the guy in twenty twenty twenty and I hope that you know. I don't think they're going to be a competitive team next year. More likely than not it's the NFL who knows but next year sixteen games will tell the tale on him and that you you can make the decision on him after twenty twenty but anyway go ahead. Well that's providing that Alex Smith isn't your quarterback he's here to quarterback. Okay I mean could be. I mean I think he's GonNa give me the GM for the Assistant G. He's got to have a voice. Yeah I got Redskins Front Office. Absolutely but he still thinks he can play so so I mean he's Co he's going to push that through. I just can't fathom how you are dismissing the not off the yes you are not yes you are because I'm not sure they are but those flyby read those flags given the team he works for are far worse. I understand I mean every all the issues that that I have with Haskins are off the field I mean I think he's had moments where he's played well. I think it's very difficult to judge him. Given the lack of talent and the poor coaching that he has to deal with so I. I haven't haven't seen anything on the field that tells me that he's a bust or that he's not going to eventually be success and he has had some terrific moments and everything you Said said about him on the field is true the off the field stuff though in an organization where that will only grow instead of being stifled stifled is a huge problem. THAT THAT DETROIT POST GAME press conference. I would run away from having a guy like that on on my team that that's so I mean. This is not any other franchises. The redskins where that kind of behavior gets rewarded fighting owner Doug Williams get through some of these people. I mean Doug Williams has to know when you re tweets his own pro football focus numbers that that's not. That's that's not a Doug Williams thing to do now I mean but I wonder what kind of any if he has any influence over anything in that organization. He's not got the key decision maker these things. If people out there did was maybe he would have more. Maybe maybe he would have more credibility ability if everybody in the locker room looked at him and said that's our GM. Maybe that would happen. So I I just think that you're you're you're you're in your wishful thinking on the on the Off the field stuff and victimizing him as as as as as you can you. I can say that based on pure definition that because I said he's distrusting of people that the he he views himself as a victim. That's fine but it's really not the way I feel. I don't think he's he's he's playing the victim role. I just think that he got burned a little bit here. You know in his rookie season because of the organization that he's in because there was shit that was leaked in people were making. He's not saying he was a victim was drafted when he said the league done messed up he already. I know SP- played the victims art right from the first night and charging fifty bucks ahead for people coming in shared draft night with him when he claimed that he just wanted to be with his family. which is why wasn't in New York or I'M NOT NEW YORK? Where was the draft this year? Nashville Nashville I I get all of that. I'm not I'm not naive to the to to to a those things potentially being things that will look back on and say of course. Of course it didn't work out And you know and a lot of those things could we could look at back at them at some point say he was immature. Look at how mature he is now in. Look Kinda players develop. That's possibly to people don't mature in this. Why do I do you think B.'s? I've heard this that. He is a good kid that he's not totally self absorbed like rg three was and that. He's coach -able which is what Callahan essentially was telling you right. There is that he's coach -able and we heard with griffin once kirk cousins played and didn't run the read option in Cleveland. Right that he was not coach -able he had everything he had all the answers. And you just had to ask him to get them and that you know and yet he kept making the same mistakes over and over and what happened when he made those mistakes. He threw his teammates under the bus forum. So as as an aside we're not gonna see him mm tonight. I don't think I think Lamar Jackson. I'm not I'm not crazy about that. I think the ravens could beat the jets without Lamar Jackson. And I would do everything I could to protect. Protect that kids legs. Yeah quote about stamps. 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I'm and they want a championship last year in the NBA Finals they won the NBA finals and Kawhi Leonard was the MVP any left and they they cared but they weren't about to turn turn their back on him and and he went back in their MVP chance in the game his championship ring and then he went out with the clippers and destroyed them. I felt less fans knew the the minute Kawhi Leonard got there that he wasn't long I know there I know I mean I think I think they realize that we had a moment where we accidentally got a got the best player in the League for season. And and you know it's. It's a moment that they've never enjoyed in the history of their franchise and I think a smart fan would say we were lucky to have that. I mean because most most most players are not going to decide to go. UH-HUH POINT TORONTO. Nothing to do with Toronto. It's one of my favorite cities. But you know I mean the whole Canadian tax thing it. There's a lot of issues that so you think Anthony Ren Donald be received in the same way Do the angels to the nets. They don't they play the angels in in California this year. Only out there okay. So he's not going be back this year maybe maybe in twenty twenty one and maybe in a world series maybe in a World Series Mike Trout Anthony reknown leading the angels against a against the the nats I think he would be welcome back his sort of the same thing. I mean he was such a special player and I don't think people will harbor ill will towards Anthony Right. I mean I think people weren't particularly passionate about Anthony Random one way or the other. Well they were after October after October. They were yeah I wanted to mention in one of the thing and I know it's NBA related. But it's really not although it is I guess but you're just GonNa Roll Your Eyes. Dwight Howard played in place for the Lakers. Is this year. Did you know that that and they went back to Orlando last night and you know there was a skirmish in hoping but did you know how. Well he's playing for the Lakers and let me just point out one thing we're having what it's December I understand that I'm saying let's say for career was completely over. You know here here where he never basically played he's gone to La and he's on the Lakers and he's playing. You Know Basically fifteen to twenty minutes a night. And averaging seven seven point seven rebounds in you know block in each game each night like he's actually playing in at a really good level as a bench player on a really good team. Obviously but I just I. It's crazy like he was here. Couldn't even stay healthy. Now he's in L. A.. And he's playing great again. Give him time. We got `Davis Protons could get a first round pick for him got he's spectacular to watch I guess we've got to mention this story. That's become as we were doing this. podcast the number one trending trending story in sports ON ESPN DOT COM. It includes Clinton Portis in a read the story to you Clinton Portis Joe Horn among ex. NFL Players Accused of Defrauding Leagues Health Program FROM ESPN ten former NFL players including ex Washington and redskins running back Clinton portis have been charged with defrauding the League's health program of millions of dollars. The players are among a group of twelve facing charges arches in the Eastern District of Kentucky. The Department of Justice announced today they are accused of filing more than three point. Nine million dollars in fraudulent claims names of which more than three point four million were paid from June twenty seventeen to December twenty eighteen along along with the chargers that that that were announced the Department of Justice said it will seek charges against two others including former New Orleans Saints Receiver Joe Horn This from the Department of Justice Ten former NFL players allegedly committed a brazen. multi-million dollar fraud on a health club on healthcare plan meant to help their former teammates and other retired players. Pay legitimate out of pocket medical expenses. Today's indictments underscore that. Whoever ever you are if you loot healthcare programs to line your own pockets you will be held accountable by the Department of Justice The other ten players or the other players involved Robert mccune John eubanks to mark vanover. Remember him from Florida State Carlos. Rogers offers Sandra Brown James Butler Fred Bennett Correll buckhalter halter and EH trick pruitt The government also intends to charge wjr Donald Caldwell he was a redskin. Remember for a brief moment back in two thousand five. I think two two thousand seven remember. he was Shake called what was receiver with Patriots. And then he came to the to the Redskins Portis was reached by by John Climate. ESPN and he said. I don't have any comment on that. closed quote cleanse in trouble. Buddy this is trouble. And this is the Justice Department and they like making examples of high profile people whether it's whether it's musicians actors or or athletes. I mean because if you because what what happens here if you can go after a high profile Figure figure who most people would think would be immune or protected from from such stuff then everybody then the then law enforcement believes everybody nobody else will fall in line. I mean people might be think twice about committing fraud when they turn around and see you know when when major you know Nacer Ashur made examples of it happens. I you know I like Clinton a lot you know. He is one of those players. Tommy you know over the years you know after their career here. Because he's been in the media a lot of us that may have had conversations with him or interviewed him when he was a player and didn't really know and knew him from afar. Is You know oh southeast Jerome and Sheriff GonNa get Ya and all of the other things. he is I mean I can only speak from my personal experience because I've done a lot of stuff with Clinton we've done that showtime show on NBC Four for Several years now. I've had obviously on the radio show and on the podcast so many times And I just considered him to be Very kind hearted and To have a great sense of humor So I hope these these charges aren't true When it comes to him but It certainly seems pretty serious. Yes that's for sure That's it for the day I was going to mention in just the Antonio Brown stuff. Did you see him. Go off on twitter yesterday. I mean he's clearly got issues. Somebody's gotta get him help. It's going to end very tragically that's twain in Haskins new wide receiver. Okay yeah that's true. ABC DC TO DC Beckham's instagram yesterday. Wait what was going on with that. You know just kind of posted one of the generic you know I. It was something like you can't can't appreciate sunshine. China you went through the rain or something along those lines and God. He's in a shitty organization. I mean he wanted so he all those people like well Landon Collins in Ob. J. Dave cattleman. The judges place is a mess and they ended up in Cleveland and the two of them. let's make sure that in this discussion of social media and Antonio Brown that we don't Hashtag something that we don't understand. Let's let's make sure we don't today. Okay we'll do that that's it we're done I don't think I I have anything else to you. I think redskins game since you're not going to be with me tomorrow. Oh the Redskins win. They beat the Eagles and they beat the eagles baby. This is the first the three in a row for for for the REDSKINS. Redskins win This one twenty four to twenty one on a field can you can you like. Tommy is is really rooting for now. He's rooting rooting for. Wins and Bruce Allin Bill Callahan and they all come back. You would love to see. I think I think they've earned it Erin. I have no college hoops games to give out tonight. Because there aren't many games tonight. state Don't I I looked in fact. I think I would've liked that a little bit the other way I but I'm not playing that game I don't like the NFL game one way or the other tonight. That lines climbed to sixteen and a half I don't like the Ravens I don't like the jets. I don't like the total in the game so no smell test. Pick on on the game tonight. Do you like it one way or the other and you're gonNA play it now. I don't think I'm I'M I. If he gets to seventeen might take a flyer on the jets they they can move the football a little bit as you know from when they played the Redskins yes Move the football pretty good darnold. They can move against the reds they moved. It gets those dolphins last week. I WanNa just mention that People can hear me on one zero six seven two fan Saturday morning From nine to noon and and Remain Washington Times Washington Times Dot Com. And I'll be at the REDSKINS game Sunday. Enjoy it brother You'll be one of the only people actually you. They're going to be some eagle fans like last year now and not like last year because the eagles fans right now are looking at a team that they don't believe in at all last year remember. They were the defending super bowl champions. Yeah but they may count just the harass redskins fans. Yeah the the the three show up exactly Have a great day.

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OFF-SEASON SUPER EPISODE/ World Series Recap, Awards Predictions and the Red Sox Moves - ft. Jesse Dougherty (Washington Post) and Scott Greene ( Prospects 1500)

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OFF-SEASON SUPER EPISODE/ World Series Recap, Awards Predictions and the Red Sox Moves - ft. Jesse Dougherty (Washington Post) and Scott Greene ( Prospects 1500)

"Welcome to painting corners. Your weekly podcast for all things baseball. Now your all your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave quit Caskey if you were with US previously on the last episode of being quarters. I just wanted to apologize. We could've been more wrong on our gambling so Colton statements in the Washington nationals. Our World Series champions guys. How are we feeling about the previous episode and there's just this nationals run in general federal? I feel great. I'm very happy nationals. One I have a dog in the fight I'm ecstatic. Yeah I mean I know you're ecstatic. You don't like Houston but I like Houston Astros as I like a lot of their players. Not all of them like different office anymore either but the nationals had their number in Houston which is incredible. That whole series was wilde was one of the one of the better world series. You'll see and it was probably won the world series as well just because of the teams in it but I mean I feel pretty good traffic. MVP Houston lost. But you know for lenders still can't figure it out to take this world series. Yeah I I I gotta I gotTa agree with you. It was. It was a decent series for the most part but game seven was just on a whole `nother level. I think if you look at the TV ratings thanks game seven was probably one of the most streamed A wound up being one of the least watched games beginning in world series history which is is the wildest thing I've ever heard but it really. Oh many ratings at the end. Yeah I think everyone just Kinda got in line. They're going to be a really good game because it's winner take all and honestly it was the the best game of the series nine because it was game seven that happening getting one allows the best game but that was definitely the best game. Yeah and I'm glad that we got to see one pseudo ball out on on that level and show everybody why he's so good and I'm so glad we get to watch him for the next however many years legendary of hopefully ten. Yeah his his I. His first alcoholic drink was from the world's his I quote in quotes Alcoholic. Drink I legal rank drink. Yeah yeah that's that's still legendary really is can you imagine telling your grandkids that or even your kids are like just a friend. You know what I mean. This guy is younger than every single one of the rookie of the year prospects that we're going to later but David I had a chance to sit down with the Washington Post on Jesse Dougherty to discuss this improbable world. The World Series Right. I think the word that I used was actually impeccable. So you're going to hear that for the next couple of minutes and From that will keep going. Have you ever been a part of something in sports. You know that was kind of out of the nowhere like this absolutely impeccable skimmer probable need. ESPN is the best one on for their season. All the different points where the but the probability of them winning a world five percent drop below one percent at certain points. It's pretty crazy this team when all the way in the title so technically out there they all I mean what what is the the biggest component of this run. You know you guys like Stephen Strasburg fulfilling his full potential for basically the year you know and finally getting the shine is he. The most important part to this runner was at a guy. Like Howie. Kendrick gets interesting to think about that because obviously so incredible and the postseason first pitcher Every time they needed somebody to shove it a big game but but the reason why maybe maybe Aram's side of it being more of a guy like how you're You don't even even. He was up and down but Patrick Corbin throwing three innings of relief in game. Seven if you think about getting all the way to the finish line because we're a little less expected you gotta figure even going to be a major part of any success. You don't think how he can hit a grand grant slamming game highly. I'll go to the world series of thirty six years old things. You just can't really account for so. I think marginal contributions from sort of the the fringes of roster always going to be more valuable than the guys that you sort of expect to get certain Tash reasons trump by the time you but so it's hard to put your finger on one one guy that you definitely got a contribution from all year long. Maybe the most underrated third baseman Don How big was is he and finally it must have been good to be on a national stage finally for you guys as fans and and you know when you cover the team because he deserves so much more respect. How how big of a role did he play? Not only in you know on the field in the batter's box but every time we looked at him in the dugout he was always cool. Calm collective never do high number too low and almost felt like you just kind of get the nice calming factor over the team there and you can't recount his Ron. Or you're nothing without talking about him and the biggest thing for me is the biggest component heap wind for this nationals's of Bacon. There's so many cliches sooner. But they didn't when they were down they came back they went private owned nation games. You came back for behind you. Never sort of a one and kill. Oh his final at bat in game seven anti raccoon was set and he was six for sticks in in Elimination Games in the seventh inning or later doc was three homers three over three doubles. Yeah he was unbelievable and then of course. It's that rounded out. The first base of course out goes two little disappointed. SETV credit correctly. But Hey I guess desert rebelled everyone. Yeah and yeah I mean just so if you think about that like. The key. Component of team is their ability to score rick late roads and only runs and he was the she caught up there. You know her State Value National. No you couldn't and it was so big another guy that has kind of been the heart and soul of this team since he signed the big free agent contract a few years ago. Now when Max Scherzer I signed that contract a lot of people were scratching their heads a he was saying why. Leave the troy with all these great great pitchers and go to Washington be. Why would Washington Pay Guy? That's going to be thirty seven that contracts over that much money and all of the bird money which the nationals does love deferred money contracts and it has A. If I was a player I would love those contracts either. I don't need three hundred million when I'm thirty. I could use one hundred million over thirty years but how big of it uh-huh almost like monkey off your back. Type deal with okay. We signed this big contracts. He was our horse. He's been up. He's been hurt a little bit this year. But you finally won with Max Scherzer. Here's our the contract is worth it outright. That only I can be land but you know the question to them and just just get by the seventeenth. That's that's worth. They would sell but obviously results based outlook now. What so don't convert your over? Seventy seventy students Wings July spending or the guy who couldn't move is all on Sunday interesting games. Get it on Ben's Day a five innings and sets jumps win the world series like. That's why you spend the money I get hit that that's not always the player necessarily because it got better. It wasn't gonNA be salt it was gonna be in there or other players be not clicking injuries or whatever but ah into vacuum when it comes to what you pay for. NFL something about petric orchid. You'll pen four or five one between July and August catch you pay report on three days rest against the Astros in the world series one hundred forty million dollars worth because he won the world series so cost benefit analysis is for contracts for trades different things. And when you win it all comes together. That's what it's worth and then we can sort of you know you know a cut it away or another during the season or otherwise as it worth it and without a championship wants to get that title Dawson workout. So a guy that. Ah If you weren't familiar with before the run in if you're a casual baseball fan. I don't really get why you weren't but if you know the game like you've known about one soda for Awhile how I mean this. This feels like a guy that we're just scratching the surface of you know. Can you kind of explain what it's like to cover a guy so young and so talented. Yeah yeah waiting for you guys to say if you wouldn't know Daniel Hudson Talk. Yeah then you Hodson. Hey he killed it in in Toronto as backing up. Ken Giles Eighth Inning Slot and one of the biggest one of the biggest problems going into the playoffs. For you guys. You're bullpen but David Martinez outmanned. Everybody everybody by getting the attention of Hudson's Ingham correctly and saying hey you know what we saw evolving rick from last year. How about we tried Patrick Corbin in the bullpen? A lot and then. We'll put annual Sanchez as third startling mended. A payoff Wants Dodo interesting. I mean you talk about for the cats Anthony When you get you the world series stage when you get level you succeed because while we've noticed you clean the talent every record? Nineteen hundred twenty. He's making all normal not until he can see greenery. A bunch of junior earning. The list goes on and on the company that he's keeping at his age so And get the world's stage you start to see I think it's Purple General Claire by the quote Unquote Ethics. You know you see him. The the crotch grab or the show shuffle or kicking bird smiling at Josh Heater. Core wants incredible baseball player. That's what he is and it's not that he shouldn't be defined by the fun stuff because he's gone because of that stuff it's great. He's but what he should get. The most credit for first and foremost is that he is an excellent baseball player. Who on the biggest stage imaginable national at the age of Twenty and the twenty one years old at the crush? Yeah so one last question thanks for coming on again really appreciate what does this mean to to the city of Washington DC. The team the front office the writers was it. I mean is this something that it's like okay. We got one where here where content. Dan is one of those things. Like you know what everything from here on is gravy. We want it. You know guys may lead guys may come back. Let's just enjoy it. How much does this mean to the city? And how much does it mean to the guys in that room. Yeah I mean I think there is a really high level and unless you're thinking breeds complacency but I'm thinking it does make you feel like you want you to you know you'll have looks like how to get there Is Crazy blueprint. There's no duplicative these mistakes and the Red Sox Joe Dad's really hard hard year but I don't think it's going to be getting one through. You just agree to again. I think those guys as Hungary's anything because shorted eh without you. Where's it now fell like it's mountaintop from a legacy standpoint? These at twenty five thirty guys capital mobsters at Reverend The title here Tackled it no one will ever take away from sealers. Remember something about bitterly that dagger up with your buddies and just list off all the names nor the Komo wave and it's not just you know it's it's a drip. It's the trickle down the middle alert. You're a great play center wherever these rations in Sydney and the fan base that thank you will never not be important for obviously next season notwithstanding. It'd be great if you know for the nationals vacant. He'll make another run and exciting again but no matter what thank you again to Jesse dougherty from the Washington Post for joining us and talking about his world series run with the team. You know Dave. What was your favorite? Take away from that exchange. Strange with Jesse you know. I'd probably say it was. Maybe even something he said Fairwood just like how great it was to cover some of those guys and I think it really shows close. That locker room was and the guys around them. They really gonNA welcome the men so I just think the team Cromartie was awesome and I think like the locker room was really great and you know I talked about Don Kinda like being cool calm collective all the time you got soda doing all the the the crazy antics but just the team itself was so like tighten it and they kept picking up. I mean when you're down that many times back's against the wall. They just go in and I feel like that stuck out to me. It was a pretty good exchange. You know I was really. He was really excited to talk about Daniel Hudson like he thought we were going to mention them every five seconds but we. You never had to do it himself but you know that was pretty cool asking about what. It's like covering team like that. You know team that's always down and but never out of it was was really awesome exchange for me but from one exchange of the other the Boston Red Sox the two thousand eighteen world series series champions before the nationals hired a new president of operations and that is high on bloom gave. What do we feel about this this deal L. as a whole so far I'm really into it? Yeah I'm too I am too. I think whenever you get a chance to bring somebody in that is different than yeah and and especially from Tampa and especially different from the pass. GM I think Dombrowski was kind of like I don't know ah I don't know whole lot on Dombrowski background but I feel like he wouldn't be that heavy into analytics as much as bloom is and I think bloom is a you you know. Everyone works as a collective whole and browsing was Kinda like I'm the I'm the sheriff and I'm no one else is going to help me and I. I really think this is going to help the red sox and I think Within the next few weeks we're GONNA see some blue magic and hopefully it will lead to a successful twenty twenty season for the Red Sox. Dave of how you feel about the hiring I mean I love it kind of similar to get said I mean he's coming from Tampa and get small-market guys like that. That can work magic like you. We saw in Houston at the beginning timber and some of these small market teams. You're like man. I wish I get my hands on one of those guys. Imagine if we had some payroll and game little leeway and that that xactly the red sox can do an analytically. I think he's going to be great but I think what he's GonNa be able to do now is get some of those guys that he knows are really good. But just out of his price range in Tampa and that's not to say that they're going to be super free agency. David Price. It's the Mitch. Moreland is the the Brock Holtz those type of caliber players. He's going to be able to get and say if you use him in these situations it's going to be really successful with him versus if you play all the time for us if we don't have them. I'm very happy that he's younger guy. A little bit refreshed in the analytics analyst. The eye test you kinda plays in both and I think they're looking for Theo two point. Oh which is never a bad thing thing and I think you're gonNA see some magic. You're saying Austin I think that you're gonNA see your guy. Jd Martinez to stay in. I'm sure that contrast and get reworked at. I think that when when it comes to mookie Betts and we're going to trade him if you're not gonNA trade him. I think he's going to get you the most value over then Dombrowski who I don't think would squeeze every last little little bit from it. Yeah you know. If you haven't exactly I'll again I was gonna say I was going to mention the same thing Dave just said. I think that bloom is going If if indeed mookie Betts does get traded I think he will get the most value back Not I wouldn't I. He's the guy that I one in their if he's GonNa get traded and we're going to have to look for a return I trust bloom and I think he's going to do a good job with that. The only the only weird thing about this is his one I moves of his entire like. GM career is probably going to be trading. mookie Betts and with the Boston media the way it is. I'm interested to see how they take event and see how they react to that but going back to Dombrowski me and this is the guy. That's always done better with a team. You know build a building a contender instead of building a farm because he has no regard for any farms at pretty much any point since I think as marlins days if we want to go all the way back but you know. He destroyed the Tigers Farm. He destroyed the bench Harrington built SOx farm as much as people hated Charrington. Cheriton put together a very very good farm system that we're reaping the benefits of even to this day and Dombrowski wasn't a guy that was sit around and wait for a team to to build this farm and when you have have a farmer's drives we do in Boston you're not going to be successful very long. And you'RE GONNA wind up. Possibly being a one. Hit wonder like they were last year. They're definitely in probably danger of doing that right because now we're to the point now where we have to get rid of some of these guys. You know there's no question you have to get rid of somebody. That's not even a question at this point. That's not even like a decision that might get made you have to shed payroll and I don't think that there's anybody better to do with at this point behind blue. Yeah I think I think he's GonNa resent it well and like you said the guy trade somebody or they're gonNA treat multiple people which get into a situation of you know who's going to replace that but you know it's going to be interesting to see. I think he's definitely got the job and I think that he will make the right decisions. That are tough. Because he doesn't have a heart attached to it. He doesn't care care about mookie. Betts or Jason Benintendi. He doesn't care that Benintendi had a great catch. She doesn't care. Jj was Dale CSM VP. He doesn't can't eat raw. Took a step up if you can get value when you can replace you. He will give you a chance to talk to Scott Green of prospects fifteen hundred. Can you kind of introduce him. And you know Kinda give us a brief brief overview of what your you guys talked about in the upcoming. Yeah so Scott Works Prospects fifteen hundred has a site on a Winnie started it but He's been really successful with it. I know all three of us are big fans of what he does just in the interview we talked on the bloom higher. We talked about JD. Martinez mookie Betts and then some prospects prospects to watch for so starting off. Let's both try to tackle this High in bloom higher. I don't know about you but I was a pretty big fan of the higher her I've read nothing but good reviews about him. I read from. You know a prospect Guys that right that they love that they love bloom. ooh And he comes from a very heavy analytical background was with the rays and the with the Ray Success I. I'm I'm happy to poach someone away from the organization to come over for us but give your thoughts on the higher as a whole. Yeah well I'm going into this as you know myself not knowing a lot about bloom. I'm not a race fan. I haven't followed the raise organization in-depth other than knowing a lot a lot of their top prospects for our website and what we do on social media in just doing some reading and and following along with the press conferences NCES and and and listening to what others in the industry are saying about boom boom. I'm becoming a fan I. I'm excited about about the higher Some work that he's done over. The last several years in Tampa has been very good and they've built up a really good Major you're an minor league system and I think that he's GonNa bring all of that. You know to Boston and continued the I'm excited for it and I'm looking forward to even find out more about him. I mean knowing that I think is a Yale Grad and that he worked at Baseball Prospectus. That it only helps them in my eyes. Yeah me too and Yeah I was. I was pretty interested when I heard that he did right for. BP when he was younger and the weird thing about him was when he was at Yale he like majored in like Latin studies or something like that which great which has no correlation has job now. Wow which is kind of weird but I mean he. I think he's a really smart guy and I think With the goal or the goals at the ownership have for the red sox think he's the guy to tackle You know the situations in these situations and I obviously don't know that much about him just like you said uh-huh Right now I really like them. So jumping into the next topic. Every I checked my twitter today a and I'm seeing nothing but jd Martinez News and their thoughts yesterday jd. Martinez opted into his contract many speculated that he was going to opt out and to try to get more money with his agent being Scott. Boris what were your you know. What's your thoughts on this? These this news and was it good for the Red Sox. Well I think if we could just take a step back for a minute I think that the the bloom and the and the jd or kind of all going to be a little bit related here One of the only interviews. I've watched recently with well not really an interview Bloom was was on a call with Sam Kennedy and a couple others and he was asked about the rookie. Beth situation gave a great answer. You know said there's so many options that we're looking looking at Would love to have him as a red sock forever. you know but couldn't really go into depth about the next steps so with Jd. We basically opting in as you said you know. He's he's here for another three years and I think it's about sixty four million dollars others and I'm happy that he is you know he. He helped us win world series. I say us. I'm a red sox fan since I can remember going back to being four or five years old so he helped us win world series and still had a very very good twenty nineteen. I'm glad that he is staying with Boston but I do think that's going to affect what they're going to be able to do with knowing that they've also got these huge contracts with price an sale and evolved E and. mookie is going to be looking for three hundred plus million dollars You gotta be over the thirty million a year average annual value so. I'm happy that JD. Staying I think that it could be the writing on the wall that they're not gonna be able to keep now. I hope that they do. I just have a feeling that he's GonNa Probably not be with us after after twenty twenty if he decides to if they don't trade him now I'm with you. I think when you get to keep a in a league hitter in JD Martinez. That's always a good thing but that does affect I think the situation A little bit more and I think F JD's eighties JD. DID OPT out. I think the red sox would have said you know. I'm sorry we can't you know there's not a future with us We need money for other and other positions and try to fill that D. H. role from within and Spend their money elsewhere but Yeah you you touched on the mookie situation relation. That's going to be the hot topic this whole off season. What do you think the red sox should do with Mookie Betts? I think that they should sign him and raise our ticket. Prices even more and keep a keep a championship team In fact that's what I think they should do What what I have a feeling they might try to do is make a trade this off season so they can get the most value four him and even what even if they did that? I don't think that they're going to get mookie value. I don't know that you're going to get value out of what what three or four younger players That's going to give you what Has Given us. I mean with his unbelievable twenty eighteen season season. People think he you know. Did you have an off year this past year. Twenty nine hundred eight and he hit two ninety five and slugged over five twenty and his own. PS was nine fifteen. He In his you know one big number I'd like to look at is this Waited runs created plus one hundred forty five for that advanced stat is not a bad stat. It was just off the charts in two thousand eighteen at one. Eighty five something that I did find really interesting. As he stopped running as much he only had sixteen stolen bases this past year yet the thirty year before so he was sitting in the leadoff spot both season. So that's something that's a little concerning but but in he's one of the best in the game any dynasty league that you might be playing and he's going to be one of the top three or four picks in every single angle league so I guess long story short. I think that they're going to try to sign him. But I wouldn't be surprised to. You know have them. You know. Say that they're working on trading him as well it you you pretty much hit it for me I think they should do is offer him. You know a deal that he shouldn't refuse but I guess my opinion. Is You know the red sox have the right to want to keep an WanNa know if he's going to re sign with the club So they don't lose him for nothing but Mukhi does have a right to say. Hey I want to go into free agency how much money I could make. But McKie's gotTa understand stand where the front office is coming from. They WANNA commitment and I think the deals that they've That have leaked in what deals they've offered him have been completely fair and I think if he is wanting to stay with the red sox he should take that deal. But I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what should happen. I mean I. I'm of of the opinion that mookie is one of the greatest players in the game right now and he's a once in a generation talent. He's a homegrown player The routes Red Sox have developed them men. Look at where he's at now and I'd hate to see him walkaway that would just suck in. But you can't lose them for nothing either. So I don't know I I. I would hate to be hind bloom. I honestly I me and my co host. We're talking about this yesterday. I honestly do not know. High Boom even took the job with this task in front one of them. Yeah you don't want this to be his you know. Is this going to be his his lasting legacy with the IT being probably one of the first moves that he makes six You know whether he's you know under traded or we'll see we'll see pretty soon I guess that's that's what's exciting. I having even grown up a sox fan and You know being in my I can actually say I'm in my Middle Ages now. I've seen so many sox players that leave and they don't get anything for these players so let's let's hope that doesn't happen here. Yeah and you touched us. We've touched on trading Potential players in your opinion. Why outfielder OUTFIELDER Benintendi Bradley Bets. That's which outfielder as the most likely to get traded this offseason. In your opinion I would think bets. I don't think that they're even considering trading trading Benintendi and I don't know that J. J. has a lot of market value that would Would bring us. It's a return that the SOx would be looking for so to answer the question. I think that's probably has the most chance of being traded. I may be the I may be a minority and saying that but I'll stick to that for now no I I agree with you there. I'm I don't know if you saw Jeff Pasta the passing. I'll even know how to pronounce his last name. I work yes bien His latest piece included a statement that said if the red sox would want to trim payroll They could move on from potentially bogart's do you see him. Being traded at all not after that huge extension they just gave him. I don't see that happening. Yeah an I- BOGART's is my favorite player on the team and I think he has been Everything that I was was hoping he would become an I really really liked bogaerts and I hope he does not be. I hope he doesn't get traded but then Ken Rosenthal had a piece today. That that Kinda mentioned the same idea. But instead of trading BOGART's he mentioned trading Benintendi In a pitcher and bats Not Bad Maybe a pitcher to clear up payroll to sign that you see that happening all I just. I don't think excel at see them doing that with with the younger players. And I think that that is really the only one that's movable. Yeah and I totally agree with you. You I think the whole idea of trimming payroll kind of overblown and I don't know if that's their actual. You know goal. I I don't know if John Henry is quite the public speaker. That Sam Kennedy is and maybe he misspoken that's not really they're like mandate but You know who knows They could be really adamant on trimming payroll and want the you know. Cut Payrolls who who who knows what's going to happen to you. Give me one bold prediction addiction for the twenty twenty Red Sox so saying that they'll win more games than they won in nineteen not a huge bold prediction But for me to say that How about this one Chris? Sale does not go on the injured list all year long along pretty bold one. I liked that one. I don't even know if I believe it but I think it's I think it's pretty bold to say that he doesn't go on the I mean if he doesn't go on the I l.. The three hundred strikeouts maybe twenty wins and era under one point under two. I really liked that one. And if that does has happened I WANNA be contacting you and I just don't don't reach out to me when the I l. on May second but just closing things out. Thanks Scott so much for coming on Your everyone who's listening to the show go go check out Scott's work I'm a big Fan and I'm sure we're going to have him back on in the future. Yeah I really appreciate you have me on Gabe again. If you guys want to check out what we're we're doing Prospects fifteen hundred dot com. You can check us out there on the website on twitter and I'm on twitter as well at Scotty underscore ballgame all game. Thanks so much for having me on. Hey guys if you haven't heard about anchor it's easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record in your your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many other platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listeners. Sner and it's everything you need to make a podcast when David started this podcast. We definitely didn't think that it would be this. Easy and anchor has made it just that you know we picked gave up along the way. We're having fun doing this but we're also making a little bit of cash. You can to download the free anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started. Let's anchor dot. FM All right. We go from a couple of talking to about a couple of award winners in Mookie beds and JD Martinez last year into maybe some possible word winners in past award winners at this point let's go ahead and talk about the MLB awards of coming. We got the nominees out. Let's we're going to take it down. You know each each award award and kind of what everybody thinks. What the predictions are? I also want the order of what you would put them on your ballot. So let's start with rookie of the year Our Own David. Quick Kofsky was very right about the in a rookie of the year. Your nominees are pita Lonzo. Mike Sarokin frontier junior Fernando thoughts. You shooter obviously very crippled because of his era. Go sitting on the protect Fernando terrain but You know the inability to stay healthy. This year was obviously sad because he was a very special player was well on his way to at least competing with pita Lonzo four that rookie year in possibly take it from taking it from him. And one of my favorite players in all of baseball to watch Mike's Arocca who was absolutely quietly dominant in Atlanta. And then finally once he gets spotlight spotlight. You put 'em you pitch them in the playoff game. He pitches pretty spectacular. Gabe I know what Dave's order is but what is your order. And who is your winner on the in a rookie of the year So NL rookie of the year winning it. I have p Alonzo just monster year from him. Set the NL Rookie homerun record. Yeah I mean you. You can't really justify anybody else but then I would. I would have to go talk. Tease and then Sirocco talkies was just like you said if he kept kept it up he would have been up there in contention for for Lonzo's a place at the top up spot but I just think you know with that injury dropped off and you really can't give it to him. But I I would have to go Alonzo Totti's SIROCCO. I had appeal onto a plus two thousand to win rookie of the year and he won which was great. He's going to win. I haven't in order that essentially said I have and Alonzo Saroka okay. And then tattoos. Tattoos was hurt and didn't do enough before he got hurt. Get it over Alonzo. Obviously and I got some Sirocco for some love because there was a pitcher her rookie of the Year award in a batter Rookie Award Sirocco win it hands down. The king was unbelievable. At one point he was like eight no like under to Yarra he was so oh good this year on a team. That not only competed but made it to game. Five of a series won their division. I mean he was not pitching on the Miami Marlins or on Baltimore Making some Nice Place. Your what is your now I mean you like John McCain does well but I think I think Sirocco was there. Alonzo's going to win it easily but Ted sees is going to be amazing. He's going to have a great year next this year and he might have a better year than next year will Lonzo tank fifty every year. Probably not but I think you'll hit thirty plus every year. But if you're going to bat to sixteen St Thirty versus Nando who might bad three twenty and hit twenty you. Who Do you want there and your team? I have the order that Dave has in. That might surprise a lot of people considering considering that the team that I cover but Mike Sirocco was undeniable. You know and Dave's right. Fernando didn't do enough for me prior to the injury to to justify justify keeping him in you know in the top two I mean Sirocco was just absolutely dominant. Alonzo was great You know I think it might be a situation where everybody adjusts to Alonzo once the baseball. Switch back that it might maybe never switch back. They oh they are. It's happening that it that it changes a little bit. I obviously think Fernando is going to have the best career out of the three of them. Like if you ask me who I think's going to have the best career in order I would probably tell you. Fernando uh-huh Sarokin Alonzo Pita Lonzo was legendary Pita Lonzo was I keep saying this but absolutely undeniable for rookie of the year. Yeah and there's something I want to throw out there. I thought was pretty cool. Statistic was taty worth two thirds as much by war as Alonzo And he played half that time. So that's that justifies the number two slot. Yeah and I I just like I said if Totti's played the whole year I think he you would ended up getting it but SIROCCO was on a different level to He was out like four war. I think last Last time I checked in he just China yet monsters. Great the playoffs. Yeah let's go ahead and hop onto the AL rookie year at Davis throwing shade is GonNa go Somebody that I don't think anybody had for their rookie year. Picking the beginning correct. I think we both at Astros. I think we might have all three had. No no Colton had called Nettie Loy L.. Rookie year we have Jordan Alvarez Brennan Low John Means No Eloy Jimenez before we get into anything else. What do we think about the in fact it is not on this ballot? It's fine I think I don't you don't I mean I think he. I think he picked it up. You know with the home runs and stuff light that but I think next year is going to be really good. I think your John deserves it a lot. I think they have to have a pitch around their Jordan's GONNA win hands down he deserves. Is it just beat Alonzo does but I think John Means be number two spoiler and Brennan low the third Eli could be replaced low but lois pretty consistent all a year. We went up and down. And I think like if you're going to get on the ballot you gotta be pretty consistent. And before he got hurt was consistent. Obviously SIROCCO was Lonzo. When you're called up? He was extremely consistent and in the playoffs. He struggled for the first couple of rounds but then she had a pretty decent world series Brune lows pretty good from start to finish in John means so that's why I think it's okay. Not tabby analyst Jordan with Jordan did was twice as impressive as what hoskins did a couple years ago like I remember when he came up and he was just smashing. Baseball's your did it for like three hundred at bats. It was one of the most miraculous things in baseball history. It was kind of insane. Yeah I'd go Alvarez winning it there's just no question He had a monster season and then low and then means talk about a disappointment. Appointment from Vladi. I really expected to see him in this Top three but he just kind of had a disappointing season and the Michelle. Kinda came up too late but yet I would have to go Alvarez low and then means I think I think that this is more of a weaker class than the NFL obviously sleep because the NFL's classes just spectacular like we just talked about. I think there's a clear winner here just like there is in the NFL. I think it's your turn Alvarez and I think it's one one of the first of many Astros awards that we're GONNA have a consensus on here. Yeah the Astros did everything hurts tempur series. Oh Boo I mean hey. I don't carry the way I'm happy. And that's why it vindicates a lot of contracts and I know the nationals aren't gonNA probably keep that team but that's okay so I'm just up feeling sad ad for people that get happy about a train Moving onto manager the year. Let's talk about the manager of the year. I find this to be an interesting bunch. I find it very hard to give the manager of the year to somebody. That doesn't win their division. Am I wrong in that thought process. Dave yes you are because if say for example Aaron Boone got the award last year winning one hundred three games even though he didn't win his division he's still one hundred three games some okay. If he didn't division a guy like Craig Counsel won one game. Oh yes one nine games but look what he did it with you lost Christian Yelich Elhage. They went on a big run and they don't have starting pitching they never have starting pitching. Hopefully this offseason fixed themselves but they got some interesting guys there. I don't think I put put Brian in their all from the braves I really don't I think he's last my list. It's a toss up between council and slid slid for me and I think I'm GonNa go council just for the fact that he had to deal with a lot of obstacles and if if Christian Yelich was in that that game the nets never win the world series because he's not a basic error run field. I mean I'm I'm pretty. I gave tonic. Convince me Here's here's my case for council when yellowish went down. He I think a lot of people counted the brewers out once Yelich Went down yet. Yeah but he went to the front office and he said I'm going to manage every game from here now as a one game playoff and he did that and they went on this crazy run and they and they he got that wildcard spot and they were a few outs away from advancing to the LCS or ano- Ds but you know an air happens wont Soto Auto happens and the rest of the system but I still have to go council. Just because the brewers had their backs against the wall and he led that team to a playoff spot and and I I think he's the winner for me. And then I'd have to go Shelton and SNICK snigger sticker. I can't even pronounce any of these guys. Names I think income going snicker I really think I am like in a division. That was tough. Is that one. Was You obviously have the Marlins I get that you know but I mean this is a team full person but wait. They had philly. They were loaded right. Didn't they win one hundred games. I have my Phillie loaded Richard on currently Joe Shutout pitch regrets. I'm thinking of going was snicker I really do. I just think that he managed to A lot of talent and I don't think that that should be something that you know people discount. It's a whole lot harder order than people think you know when you have a team full young kids when you have a team you know that you just. I didn't expect them to win as many games as they did. They exceed my expectations. They also I mean I know we're not supposed to take a postseason success But definitely because it didn't happen. But I'm I'm all win on Snicker snicker winds shout out to Mike Who eliminated snicker and yeah so we disagree? Hooray a manager of the year. I think this is going to be quick. I think that this is going to be consensus. rockabilly Delis team last year. That wasn't his team yet. One seventy games and turned around in one. I think it was one hundred four games this year. Can anybody give me an argument. To why Rocco Bell Deli isn't the manage the year I can't because he's from my home state and he played great a little side thing here. Aaron Judge Beat mookie Betts for the Wilson isn't Defensive Player of the Year award in right field breaking news. Yikes what's what how. Yes I mean when you when you get to play in a sandbox walks I mean it's it's fine. I guess that's true back contract rockabilly. Did something that you don't really see too often. He took a borderline lies. Place team to first place team in a division isn't very good by any means it might be the worst division baseball. But Cleveland still good. They have to really bad. It seems to really good teams but Aaron Boone with the Yankees. I mean that team is as easy as it gets to manage even with all the injuries this year which is why he's even a candidate which is because of all the interest trees he had guys come up that he just played Sandra so it's not like he was really struggling at any point Kevin Cash. I think it's just like a ruled old Kevin cash or Joel Madden have to be in the lists for managers did awesome games sometimes cash. They're good job this year though. I go Rocco one cash to boone. Three I think there are probably some of the people that deserve to be over boone. But Him Yellen where a bunch of savages out. There probably got him low more spotlight dental the coaches. That's the answer for me. I HAVE TO CASH I. I like what rocker did in Minnesota but I I just cashed the way. He did zing so he had. So the race had the lowest payroll. They lost Some key starters and they had a couple other injuries in just that roster. I think cash deserves a lot of credit for The way they handle themselves and the way they played this year and not not Discount anything that rocketed. I think he did a amazing job as well and I agree with you. Guys on the boone thing the whole were savages. Thing got him got him some attention in and that's why he's in there in my opinion but I think all both two guys did an amazing job in my book. So we got to Baldarelli's bellies and a cash. NL Cy Young. It's funny you 'cause. How often do you hear candidates say that another candidate? It deserves the award. Not often but he wasn't wrong either no he wasn't wrong Jacob. DEGROM IS GONNA win back to back Cy. Young Awards. If everything shakes out correctly the Reuse phenomenal he like you. It's hard to it's hard to understate. How good he was for dodger team? That really really needed needed him this year. But I mean Jacob degrom just spectacular man. Yeah DEGROM IS GONNA win hands down for me All three of these guys are just elite. This season in re you had a huge season especially in a contract year. And I I. It's hard for me to rank these guys but I'd have to go dig rum reunion Sherzer. I I don't know This this is hard I actually wanted. I'M GONNA backtrack a little bit. I WanNa go degrom Sherzer then review. Yeah I think at the full season as a whole I think shears are Gets the little tip of real is it because like how bad of like second half theory you had I go with a degrom reuse Sherzer just because of how like three fourths of the year. Where for radio the best pitcher in the NFL as much as like stirs maybe the most consistent over the past five years kershaw up for that Bumgarner in the early two thousand ten was unbelievable but the grandma will ask us any great Yup Sonny Gray sure that he got a couple of comeback player of the year weighed seventy Ra? He was unbelievable. Pictures that are in small markets. The CY young though is takes two grams award to lose next year as well. He's just getting better and on a team where he gets no support for some reason. Just him he He continues to go out there mentally and crushing it. I think wins in a landslide. Honestly because I think we're used comments may of kind of showed people like. Yeah he really. He doesn't deserve it. DEGROM reuser for me. I mean I not GonNa Discount what our er AJ did US basically becoming more and more of a useless But it is important still like er a is not useless. Like wins is useless. I think he already in the day shows a lot. I think fifth shows more but the eerie showtime the time was a champion. And that's something hard to state. I mean he's almost sixty points better than Sherzer was In that aspect of the game I think that he was better than Sherzer. was as you as a whole this year. Shears missile lifetime. Just the just the I mean how. How long was re you in the ones for er a after all star it was kinda crazy it was kind of reminiscent of what degrom did last year except degrom finish? The fight are any Let's go ahead and we got two grams here. We got two different second place finishers correct. Yep Yep all right Al Cy Young. This is fun. I like this a lot. Is I really like all three candidates. I think that on just about any other year that Charlie Morton probably win this award but when you have two guys going going out there and competing against each other consistently and you know just trying to. I'm I'LL BE I'll be probably best each other every single outing. It was something miraculous to watch even from Houston Hater. And I'm I'm at. I probably of the same order as most of you guys do words. It's cold berliner morten. But I could be wrong yet. That's my order and I totally agree with you. This was last year or next year. I think Charlie Morton wins the award. We're out right and it's not shocking. That all three guys either played for the Astros or did recently play the Astros and Charlie Morton going to Tampa this year. Garrett Cole deserves it that not hands down by any means but he deserves it. Great Year in a contract year. You obviously saw him after the world series with Scott. Boris had on talking about how he's basically a higher gun. It was great. It was really funny honestly refreshing. He's like Listen Zach Cranky at one point said he would rather go play for the worst team in the league if they give them three hundred million dollars and he played the royals so he kind of knows what it comes like. He went from the royals to one of the busters in the West and the dodgers others and he's still said that. So that's kind of goes showed some of these guys do care about money more Garrett Cole definitely cares about money more. CC Sabbatical came out today today. Saying he could pay him enough money he will come here to near to the Yankees as in here. But I think Cole wins at Arlanda Second Wharton third. I don't think this is a runaway. I think this is very fourteen. Thirteen thirteen four split on these awards. You always have those weird people are gonNA try. GotTa give it to Morton because they think that very winter colour splitting boats too much. Yeah you'RE GONNA get the hipsters they're just like but Charlie Morton didn't Tampa like it makes any difference when the pitcher pitches but and I mean I guess that's the only one because of course is tough. There's Dona Weird Yeah. It's less assaulted than here though Gabe what is your order on this award. And who is your winner. Same as you guys cold winds a late like you said it's not it's not on Like a runaway by no means but yeah but to backtrack a little bit going back to the drinking thing I think his problem is like well not even a problem. I kinda feel bad for the guy. He has that anxiety issue and the whole I think he just doesn't like to pitch or being a big market. I think thank you kinda likes to be off the radar a little bit. Oh yeah he got now. I will say I think market cricket wise Houston's big media wise no one says bad things about them so like if you're in New York if you're in Boston if you're in L. A.. If you mess up you hear it if you mess. Yeah does anyone really hear it. Like I don't think so tax in the national meal you know what I mean. Yeah I mean I know you like Houston everything weird time when he played for the angels. Yeah that was weird his baseball reference Beige. And we're going to do a whole all segment on the soon right on the weirdest baseball baseball reference pages to tell me we're doing daily Oh I think we're going to do it with Baileigh. Uh of that he really is he really shut up. Who's baseball God? Damn we're selling out. I mean it's not selling out. We're buying it there we go. Business is booming. Wait that was Let's go to the MVP's let's start in the NFL. Oh a situation. That's oddly very similar right. Outside of the appearance of Anthony Rendon The leader for the entire season gets hurt and a new candidate. Not even a new candidate candidate. That was there the entire season that we're we're kind of going back and forth who wins the NL MVP. Anthony Rendon cody bellinger Christian Yelich in. What's your order? This is hard This is controversial. This I I don't I think I have to give it. I don't know yellow is my favourite player. That doesn't play for the Red Sox but the injury hurts them so I have to go bellinger yellow. CH- random I mean I think bellinger's ballinger played the whole CR. I mean yellows ended ended up getting hurt or whatever and missed Sometime in Bellingham was a plus defender like He. He's pretty good in the field If your for accounting for the play offs which I know is so hard to not take an account for Rangoon is is up there but I think just the regular this season. Tickets bellinger yellowish rendon. If Yellow Birch didn't get hurt he would have run away with it. Yeah I I served but because he got hurt and because of how good bellinger like forty seven home runs or something like that I'm going bellinger. Rondonia allege because rent. Don't sneaky had an amazing year and Ren don't had a six point three war Gordon to baseball reference thirty four home runs three nineteen batting average. Four well obt. He's slugged five hundred ninety eight over thousand one hundred and twenty six B is he had one hundred seventy four hits. I mean. He just played phenomenally nominally. Well I'M GONNA put the plows into it. I just don't think that because it's got hurt and how well he continued to play. That don't deserve second place votes and we'll probably finished second behind bellinger Dave's right in my opinion. I think that you know. Just the time of the injury is really really really really hard. To overcome for Yelich. elhage could be possibly similar to another prospect at another player in another league but the difference. Is that the body worked for Christian. Yelich wasn't nearly as good as the guy in the AL And I think that you know rundowns late surge in we know what he he puts the invaluable mean. That team needs him same. I mean you can't really say the same for bellinger is valuable to his team. But he's not nearly as valuable. Ask Ask Anthony Rendon or Christian Yelich but the invaluable doesn't mean anything to people so it's cutting ballinger Anthony Rundown Christian Yelich and then for some reason Ronald Junior has odds I think he did have a forty forty year. Didn't they know he almost did more yet. Just about I I mean he forty he should have been a nominee. Yeah because nobody does very true. Now donors three bellinger's injures Two second-place ringtones in one third place for Numb. Yep David are doing the thing where we always agree Film we're not about to I hail MVP Probably my favorite candidate of all these guys. That isn't one of my favorite players and baseball. The fact that Marcus is on here is an absolute gorgeous active active baseball. I love that Marcus is even included in this. I love that. He's obviously not GonNa win. But I liked that the nominees a rewarding defense at this point to Yeah they kind of a little bit of everything because he was kind of luggage army knife when he came to doing stuff this year they really was what they thought. Dirksen it was gonna be but Next person up is Alex Bregman Dave. Okay well Alex Bregman amazing year you know. Obviously he's a rising star but he's going to lose the MVP race to my trout. And here's why he's he's GonNa move by trout. Unlike you know yellowish when he got hurt and all that fun stuff the played appearances between bellinger and and Yelich Elhage were pretty big in difference. So was the war and everything else but between Bregman and between drought. It's not that big of a difference for example war Bregman. I even had point one better. This accord baseball reference. So at that's less than one hundred more than him. So pretty close sample size might draw. Had more home runs. Mike Sharpe had one less batting average point. I believe a five westbound between special ninety one might trout had better be Mike. Trial had a better slugging. He had a better basically was better in every category than Bregman except for plate appearances. And that's why I'm giving him because he did it in less plate appearances if yellow Chad defy home runs when he went out he would have gotten it but he probably would have finished. It's something like that but he never got to do it. Mike Trout was on pay. State like sixty five home runs this this year but he already hit forty four of them forty six of them forty five I was in the Mitroff should win. MVP in Yale again because he's the best baseball player will time but if he doesn't it'll be pregnant second but I- habit as trout Bregman semi-in. I like seven everywhere. He actually hit. That was as big as this CRO Crouch it was. He couldn't hit power when did hit with singles. Now he's actually national debt to eighty really good from him shut. FOURTH-PLACE DJ Lemay Hugh who had a spectacular beard who is one of the show favorites from every single person on here gape tell me why the person you think is going to win is going to win. I think trowel is going to win. Thank God I think it's it's basically. My thoughts are the same as Dave and I'm pretty sure your yours are the same as Dave's as well. Trout is just unbelievable. Any does it year in year out just put like Dave said he had less played. Appearances was better in basically every statistical category and just is so valuable to his his team. If they didn't have trout you know. Look at where they'd be at. He's he's just on a different level. I think it goes Trout Bregman Siemian micro. Did more in in a hundred games less than Alex Bregman did. That's I mean. Not Games hundred plate appearances later gloves. And that's why I want to give it to. Because he just did so much more with less another question does he get it no. He doesn't get it they're going to give it to pregnant but I think that trump deserves it. It makes me sad too but it made me sad basically every year. He doesn't get it except the year that came in second. Because I felt like mookie Betts. Pretty that you're too. Yeah Yeah but trout also got denied. MVP's besides that one. It was proud that he shouldn't have lost. There's only triple crown year that I that I understood and then there was another Miguel Cabrera year. That didn't make sense to that. But our guys one last thing before we do get out of here on the super mega fantastic flipping episode of painting corners. Couple of announced. We're getting new logo. Which I'm pretty excited excited about guys on the podcast? Let's not get so talking to surprise. Yeah I'm barely even know what it looks like. I just a drew like a little template like a little three year old old in a descended away to a guy. That's very very very talented at once. We get the logo back all reveal his name and promote the hell out of like we used to do with our other guy but What is your biggest prediction in boldest prediction of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty off season? The angels go get cold transport. Both of them I think I'm with day but it's not Straw for. I think it'll be coal and another guy I don't I I don't know who but I think they make a big big splash. And I I really hope they do I'm getting. I'm already getting excited about this. Angels team if they can land Colon somebody else. But if they can that'll be the San Diego padres jumped in the deep end and trade for Independent. Oh Boy oh where the what the Red Sox can get Louise areas probably guy like Michelle bias so you get you get your everyday a second baseman you get A starting pitcher. That can help you now and then probably two more pieces like like lower pieces like an Edward Oliveras and end maybe the lower guy in the system like in that twenty five to thirty range. So there's a good return for it If configured figure at the fuck out it'd be even better and probably hundred fro- I wouldn't hate that I wouldn't either you rent out out there and then you can kind of put doll back and change at first base. Did we record our Indians trade the other day another bold trade predictions that the Los Angeles dodgers. That's not really the bowl part trade Francisco endure. I think that it's cory seager. Khyber Ruis Tony Goslin and then probably somewhere deep deeper in the system like somebody like Santana's so that The Indians get their starting catching prospect of future which they desperately need after the departure Francisco Mea. They get their starting shortstop immediately lately to help them at least remotely keep contending. You could a starting pitcher that can help you with the next couple. I mean even months to begin the season Then you also get somebody you know maybe an outfielder in Villier like a Santana or obviously you're not going to go with somebody like Peter Downes whose that high up in less they ask for where it was feared the dodgers and you're really going all in. Don't you take that anyway. I think you might see Jack Petersen going like that too. I think it might be in a separate deal to. Yeah I think you could see Peterson. Just go somewhere by himself. But I'm big for do go guy. So if the red sox go out and trade. Oh that's my other one. I guess the Red Stocks Trade Monkey bets the dodgers and it starts around for do go or May and goes down from there. I wouldn't hate the fact that it starts around for Dugo. Can you imagine that. Can you imagine starting the next year and your favorite red sox out further is the only one left seriously thinking it really could be. JV Jason do go and like a Renfro or something ridiculous like that. 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Episode 106: Linda

Criminal

30:42 min | 2 years ago

Episode 106: Linda

"Before we start. We wanted to let you know about another podcast. You might enjoy. It's PBS frontlines. Original investigative podcast. The frontline dispatch their new season is out now with all new investigations made for audio this season cover stories like a police shooting in West Virginia with a startling twist, and what life is really like for children living in a Kenyan refugee camp. Subscribe to the frontline dispatch on apple Stitcher radio public or wherever you listen. They met may be in the spring of two thousand and sixteen and it wasn't until the fall of twenty sixteen the miss Gilman proposed the the idea that if her ex husband was no longer alive that she would benefit from a vast amount of money as a beneficiary to a life insurance policy. In a suburb outside of Salt Lake City in a town called harem, a sixty-nine year old woman named Linda Gilman hired a man named Christian Olsen to do some repairs on her condo after months of working together. Linda Gilman asked for Christians help with a different sort of project. If he was willing to help find somebody to do the job she would pay him. And sure enough she gave him a five thousand dollar check. He kept he kept stringing her along. There's no doubt about that. He was a person that was down on his luck needed to make a quick buck, and she was willing to pay in. So he would stringer along indicating that he had lined somebody up, and there were some fanciful stories that he came up with that she believed, and it was in late December of two thousand sixteen that she had told him that enough's enough, and that she had found somebody else that would do the job and she no longer needed him to do it for her. This is Mark Mathis, a Deputy District Attorney at the Salt Lake county DA's office, the first thing that Christian did actually was hop in his truck and drive over to Linda's ex husbands house, and he had the address because Linda had given it to him. To give to the hitman to to perform the act, and so he went over to his house here in Salt Lake knocked on the front door and his new wife answered the door, the introduced himself and said your husband's ex wife has hired me to find somebody to kill him. She invited him in. They had a discussion about it. They called Linda's ex husband had a discussion about it and then called unified police department, and that's when the detective got involved. I was initially given this case by my sergeant who asked me and another detective that was brand new in the unit to call an individual on the phone. This is doing Gilman. How can I help you twain? This is detective Adamson with the unified police department. How are you? I detective I'm great. So it's Dwayne Gilman right Gilman. GI Noel, I man. Handed to me. This is Brent Adamson at the time. He was a detective with Salt Lake City's unified police department. He since moved to the Harriman city police department where he's a detective sergeant. I mean, he's not rare that someone calls the police departments. I think someone wants to kill me. It's very rare. And it's even more rare to have the individuals show up at the intended victims house and say, hey, surprise, this is guess what? And so it was even more kind of shocking to get the report that way rather than it to come in some other manner to have the victim and say, hey, there's a guy at my house right now that says he's supposed to find someone to kill me. He's been here for four or five hours. And he came to me and everything grew out of what he had to say. I am not thinking terribly. Clearly, but I been it's upset me. Was Dwayne demeanor. When you spoke with him was he nervous or worried I was worried, but I think that was tempered a little bit by the fact that this individual had come to his home. I think I was probably more kind of scratching my head. If you will that this took place, and in fact, you know, this individual I made contact with Dwayne current wife who invited him into the house and made a pot of coffee for him and waited for husband to come home. I'm not sure that I would have even done that who who is this Christian Olsson Christian is an individual that. For lack of a better term. He's coming on job guy. He was doing various different jobs at the time that this case started. He was just a local person here in the in the county. Mark Mathis, he would purchase items from like, Home Depot hardware stores things like that. There were on clearance, fix them up and resell them on a local website. And that's how she actually met him. You know, he he offered up, you know, or in indicated that he was also a contractor in. I think the ultimate irony here is that the contracting company that he worked for was called hired gun contractors, you kinda wrote itself there. And so that was kind of I think the first toe that was dipped into the pool of curiosity that, you know, will you work for a place called higher gun. Are you a hitman, and they would kinda just laugh it off? And you know, as months went on and they developed a more of a relationship. That's when the idea of her husband's death started to be discussed. Rendon Christian used a variety of code words. Assab was the subcontractor or hitman the words homedepot meant everything was on track. But a reference to Lowe's meant there is a problem. Linda's codename for her ex husband was his majesty. Have you ever seen a case? Like this. I have not. Hope to never again. Linda Gilman had been divorced from her third husband Duane Gilman for years. He was paying alimony and the divorce settlement stipulated that Linda could remain the beneficiary of Duan's life insurance, but she'd also taken out life insurance on Dwayne that he didn't know about as he got older the monthly premiums Linda had to pay increased to just over ten thousand dollars a month. According to court records, Linda Gilman stood to gain quite a lot of money. If anything happened to her ex-husband, I'm Phoebe judge. This is criminal. Hello christian. So gimme kind of the Reader's Digest version of what's going on. And then we'll she approached me a few months ago about she being Linda. About making out. Her ex husband and said that you know, she would a all this money to to have them taken out. What was the agreement? What was she offering to the offered the five thousand up front, and after he was gone and something you know, that it was confirmed than she was going to give a portion of the. Insurance life insurance policy on it. Ultimately, we determined that. There was at least two different life insurance policies. I think her beneficiary portion ended up being somewhere in the neighborhood of three and a half million dollars. Did she specify how she wanted you to kill him or method? She wanted it done in in a way that it didn't look like he was murdered by it was a drug overdose or something and somebody mentioned that there was some some syringes or something. What was she she'd give me some syringes? What was the purpose of this wrenches for like drug? Overdose. Yeah. Vindicate had no criminal record. She had her hands in a lot of different small businesses, a snow removal business a lawn service fixing up cars by all accounts. She was doing quite well financially after he spoke with Dwayne Gilman and Christian Olsen and understood what Christian was alleging detective Adamson needed proof. He needed to get Linda on tape. So when you get the phone call from Dwayne and you talk to Christian you find out what Linda is trying to do. How do you? I mean, how what what's your next up in? That's just hearsay. Right. What how do you figure out? How do you figure? You're gonna get proof. So yeah, I talked to Wayne then I talked to Christian and then immediately following that sit down with Christian, and and conduct a little more formal interview in person, and basically Christian released us that he's having ongoing conversations with Linda, he's basically delayed her and told her that he'll he'll help her with this problem. So that she doesn't find someone else. And so we we set up a recording device that we send in with Christian. He makes her aims to meet her. And we basically just kinda stage in the neighborhood. And and listen to the conversations that takes place. Do you sit in one of those vans? That says like air conditioning on the outside. When you've we do not know we just used our regular unmarked police cars and just kind of parked a couple of streets away. That seems exciting. I mean of all of the work that going on a little stakeout seems like one of the most exciting thing. Unfortunately, more often than not it's probably more boring. This one obviously, peaked our interest. We were very interested. And as it progressed, it became more and more interesting. What here nor safety? I'm going to be the data kills me. I know care. I wanna be main. This is the recording that Christian made his conversation with Linda they have to expect. This could take some time you use crew up here. There isn't any money screw up even if you take him out if you screw up and there's an investigation. There's not going to be a payout that is law. That's the law. We were having a really difficult time hearing, what was taking place. There was background noise. I know there's some. High-tension transmission, electrical lines close by that was causing interference in. I also know that based on what we could hear that they'd gone to the basement. So that may have interfered what the cellular signal is. Well. Stern being. So midway through this conversation. I tech I was texting with Christian and basically convinced him to go outside for a cigarette. We placed an additional just a digital recorder on the bumper of his truck and asked him to get that and take it in with him as kind of an insurance policy to make sure that we could record the audio of the conversation. Even if we couldn't hear it in real time, a little risky trade off there. It was. And in fact, we later found out that even one of the neighbor sauce doing that and didn't quite know what was going on. But fortunately for us at Linda was never aware that it took place. And when that meeting was over Christian had come out of the meeting and Linda had given him a diamond ring as basically a down payment give to who. She thought Christian was going to hire to have doing kill detective Adamson sent Christian. To secretly record. Linda, a second time on that day, Linda introduce the possibility of a home, invasion, gone bad, and she said that the hitman might consider killing both Dwayne Gilman and his current wife. She said she pay extra. Ingrid number ten grand. So it's. Twenty five minus the value of the ring. So let's come back to. I'm sure like that. I just I don't know how. How easy it is to wait this stuff? I just don't know. Changes are being a station 'cause we have to know that too obvious. So there's going to be patient. Now comes down to. A problem. We'll be right back. Support for criminal comes from casper. Casper is asleep brand. The makes expertly designed products to give you the best rest possible. Their ritual mattress combines multiple support of memory foams, and breathe -able design IVA casper. And I think it's just great. You can be sure of your purchase with Casper's hundred night risk-free sleep on at trial. Get fifty dollars towards select mattresses by visiting casper dot com slash criminal and using the promo code criminal at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. That's fifty dollars off by visiting casper dot com slash criminal and using the promo code criminal checkout. The recording that detective Adamson gathered with Christian were enough to make an arrest. Undescended twenty seventh two thousand sixteen they went to Linda Gilman's house. Are you the one who went in arrested, Linda, yes, we you? Tell me that about that scene. So we responded out to Linda's house. When we went out there VCR intent was to take into custody, and we also had a search warrant for her residence. So when we arrived when knocked on the door several times didn't get a response. I could see Linda inside the house moving around, but she wouldn't come to the door. Tried to call the full number that we had for Linda continue to pound on the door announced that we were the police had a warrant and after several minutes, she finally came to the front door was shaking was you know, clearly upset and demanded in what was happening. She opened the door. We identified ourselves numerous times, and she was taken into custody and transported her to our office for an interview, and you interviewed her I did. Talk to you. But you're you're asking me questions in the dark at without telling. I don't even know what's going on yet. You've told me this is conspiracy. So his attention. I don't know for what I don't know. What's have what happened? For what tation for murder for hire? I'm not willing to give you that information. Okay. Well, I'm asking you some questions to get some background on you. Okay. We're investigating a case where you're the suspect who has instigated a solicitation for someone to kill another person. Who who who is telling you the story, and is the we'll get there who's well. Well to me what's going on are going. But I'm getting some background information. From you asking you some questions. Okay. I don't think we'll get there. Have you been engaged in a conversation with anybody about having someone killed? No, no. So when I play recordings of that conversation. What are you going to say you kidding me? I'm not kidding. You think I'm wasting your time you come here. House tried to kick your door down with a search warrant because I've made some I don't know. I don't I don't know. I know have hours of recordings of you hours of recordings of you. By me by you because you made. This is not make any sense. How would you even make arrangements to record anything that? I said where how and she was played a copy of the recording district. Attorney Mark Mathis, and we played a segment for her that was clearly her talking about the planning and the amount that she was willing to pay for her husband's death. History. My make it easier, and they're gonna be less investigation. She's gone to. Don't you think I would imagine here? Terrific is your voice could be. But I know it could also be me. And she would neither say whether that was or wasn't her in fact during the interview when confronted with whether or not that was her voice. Her response. I believe was it could be me. It could also not be me. Interesting because you couldn't have known was harmed. So how'd you arrest someone for hoping to hurt someone but not being able to actually do it? I guess the difference between hoping and doing is taking some significant step towards making that hope a reality. And and that's where lend across the line. You could probably find someone every day that wishes that there ex husband or wife was dead. But they don't do anything. They don't take any steps to make that happen intent. Yeah. I mean, clearly, she's she's not saying I wished Wayne was dead or I wish I could collect on this life insurance policy say she's saying if you can find someone that will kill doing. Here's a ring go give it to him as a down payment. Let's get done it. You've set the wheels in motion for someone to take action on. On your behalf that most likely will cause someone's death. Linda Gilman was tried in Utah's third district court in March of two thousand eighteen Mark Mathis was the prosecutor she pled not guilty. All right was go on the record on state versus Linda Gilman one seven one nine. Oh, two four five appearances before skillman is back with us. State your name again. Christian Andrew Wilson. And do you recall, sir, that you're still under this Kristen did testify that in the beginning was just like any relationship between employer employee that over time? The relationship grew closer. They started talking about personal things, you know, his personal relationships with his his ex wife with his new curl friend, his family religious, beliefs things like that just personal things. And so the developed more of a friendship over time. Our party last night. Was family. Okay. Into story. Now. Alcohol either. Not really. Not too bad. Anything not a good boy. And when she retained him to actually remodel her condominium. She gave him the option of living there, and he could live in her condominium. And while he was working on it. She gave him a dodge pickup to help with all of the remodeling and things like that. So she had made all of these gestures offers to Christian to I think, that's that's when the relationship really started to get close to his admission he he took advantage of her and he did so knowingly because that was a great opportunity for him to get money. So he is taking advantage of her. And she thinks that she's grooming him. Correct. The secret recordings Christian made were played in court. The prosecution argued that Lynn. A wanted Dwayne dead. So she could collect the insurance money. The defense argued that Linda's net worth was one point five million. And so she didn't need the money. The defense attorney told the jury that Christian Olsen was a quote master manipulator and a flimflam artist. The jury deliberated for three and a half hours, and Linda Gilman was found guilty of one count of criminal solicitation to commit murder. Normally after a conviction, we we generally try and sentence people within forty five days, you know, we are asking for the sentencing to proceed as soon as possible. And I know that the Linda's ex husband and his new wife they were very anxious to to get the same resolved into to get some finality she managed to keep getting her sentencing postponed, sometimes she'd refuse to come to court. She kept firing her lawyers she'd hire new one, and then argue that the new attorney hadn't had enough time to become familiar with their case. This went on for months. After her sentencing was postponed for the eighth time. Third district judge Paul Parker said we at some point need to drop the hammer on this on October twenty ninth two thousand eighteen when to Gilman was finally sentenced in Utah. We have indeterminate sentencing where the judge when they impose prison that it would be for an indeterminate time and the level of this offense was three years to life. You don't know in Utah. How long you're going for typically, no, the Utah has a a system where we have a five member board of pardons and parole that takes into account a lot of different considerations. That determine how long somebody will spend in prison. There's. There's all sorts of factors that can come into play. But the the sentencing range has three years to life. Detective Adamson told us that Linda Gilman is someone who likes to be in control. She tries to manage everything that's happening around her. And so maybe it makes sense that even behind bars she was trying to run the show on the same day. She was convicted of trying to have her ex husband killed. She was charged again with trying to hire another hitman not to kill her ex husband. But someone else I understand that. She's now going back to court because she's being accused of having trying to have Christian Olsson killed. That's correct. When you heard that when you heard that now shoes going after Christian, what did you think that surprise you not at all? That's the type of person that that Linda Gilman that I know is. Just she wants her way in whatever she's got to do to make things work her way. While she was in jail in Salt Lake City. Linda Gilman allegedly approached a fellow inmate about having Christian Olsson killed according to court documents, Linda Coulter, self the Bank and said, she could quote, make everything happen. The inmate went to the police there's more when that first inmate didn't do what she asked Linda hired another inmate this time she figured as long as she was going to try to have Christian killed she'd go after someone else who was bothering her a lawyer who'd sued her on behalf of an electric company. A Washington Post headline read woman accused of hiring hit-men to get out of her hitman related troubles. The first line of the article reads, the number of people, Linda Gilman, allegedly once killed keeps growing. Linda Gilman will be back in court to face these charges. Very soon. Really is a rabbit hole. But when people were approached. Bye, miss Gilman, each one of them came to law enforcement. And I, and I have to believe that most people are good natured, and they understand that, you know, I mean have clean hands here. But at the end of the day, I'm not a killer. And I'm not going to allow this to happen. I think Linda Gilman definitely poses a great safety risk if she's free, and I think even in jail, she's clearly showing that she's a threat. Rather resourceful? You gotta give her afer effort. That's for sure. Created by Lawrence sport and me Nadya Wilson. Our senior producer audio mix by rob buyers special thanks to Nikki dacas at the unified police department of greater Salt Lake. Julia exander makes original illustrations reach episode of criminal. You can see them at this is criminal dot com. Where on Facebook and Twitter at criminal show. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

37:04 min | 1 year ago

Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 2)

"Six years ago today beyond say who's singing right now shocked us all by dropping an album without any sort of publicity Z.. Whatsoever Bam Bam but it sold okay? So yes yes it is. She's all right she is. She's done a good job at cultivating some fans that trend. Because I know some rappers do that a lot was it rappers at that she. She is studying the biggest artists to just bypass any sort of preamble Campbell interviews on those artists used to do the whole big production. Yeah had attained. She just said beyond you woke up beyond say You heard there during the open. Talking about Lamar setting that record last night you were the key. Do you think that I think we all agree. That because of the success Lamar's having that more and more quarterbacks that are stylistically similar Lamar GonNa get opportunities dialectically similar to Lamar. What does that mean? Run and throw. Yeah we'll what else that's it. Yeah uh-huh Eric. I need you to say stirred up trying to bill polian. Aircrafts was before his time. Right right exactly right Eric. Jake Locker's locker ahead of return. Jake Locker didn't really didn't like Tibo t-bone so my goodness questioned before you hijacked it by making something of what was now that that's going to be a thing that we see more often Islam. Morgan Morgan put that rushing thing so far out of out of touch that thirty years from now the single season career is still Lamar Jackson. Because we're going to get a bunch of these guys all of a sudden it's getting Sali's guys okay. You did that So is it. What's he had eleven hundred right now? Yeah about plus or minus. So he's got finished. Got Two more not maybe give it to say get sixty yards. Get another hundred and twenty. So He's GonNa put it around eighteen thousand five hundred hundred yards. That's hard man. Yeah it is because because even though he's going forward in not going backwards. These other guys aren't his skill. Set like Jalen hurts can do some stuff. This is the quarterback from the he can't run like that don't can't run. He can run like that. Yeah that's a different skill set so you know Jalen Jalen Russia's seven yards in a season because he's going to sit in the pocket a little bit longer the ethnic Lamar's go put it out of touch where nobody else will be able to do it once upon a time if you got thirty five to four thousand yards in a season as as a QB that that was like wow you said you got four hundred if you got like thirty five thousand dollars two years. Wow now aw guy get your five to make him pay attention so I as amazing as he is. I am not as bullish key about this being out of touch touch just because in my lifetime. I've just seen records fall many times. And you've Seen Gains Cheney times and what we thought was never going to beat approached again is now a regular occurrence but look how long it took. Yeah but the the the general hopefully get a little more tight more. Those took a long time and now suddenly got more hopeful. You don't have to wait more. Go guys athletics one. It was back going guys hill joining us right telegram in Dallas morning. Clarence how are you you guys doing. You'll have fun out. There are we we try to convince them. That Lamar Jackson belongs in the National Football Football League in playing the position that they said he couldn't play. You know it's I don't know where to go clarence with this one. But he is Lamar Jackson ideas is refreshing to see. Play a position and win games when that position says that you have to be twenty twenty five of thirty two for three hundred ten yards in two touchdowns to be successful in national football league in his numbers passing. Wise doesn't look like that except the efficiency is superior question about that you know. Oh he's he's he's changing the way people look at the position and as he should. I give groman credit. I give her credit. But certainly you give Lamar credit. Because he's the one big unhappy but but you've got to have a coach and and and people with the vision to allow you to do that and the problem in the past is we haven't had had that not go back to visit jog and Tennessee and things. He did in college and if they would've allowed him to be Vince young he may have had a better a more successful run at Tennessee. And said I'm trying to turn them into met minor or Tom Brady Jellyfish. Those guys down there. They were looking for cookie. Quarter quarterback they're not during the Mark Jackson L.. Let Lamar Jackson who he is and throughout the way he is and it's a wonderful well part of the reason the marketing this opportunity is because of who drafted did him has been holding back. The more mobile quarterback paternity those who are mobile enough color. Has it been a question of what they can do. And whether I translates or whether or not there's enough people and sometimes you need people of color in those leadership positions to provide those opportunities. Yeah you're we're talking about is in the hall of Famer As a player he subbiah hall of fame as a as a GM and in the fact that this was his last attract and he gives you odd. I mean Ula Marceca all you need to know about the greatness of is a news on my was the player starting I wasn't as a GM but but that was a decision right there and you're right He had the vision and he said onto the coaches and they and they make this thing work Clarence Hill joining us. He covers the cowboys star Telegram in Dallas. Why haven't the cowboys beat a good team? This year. They've got good players on both sides of the ball and they literally have not beating the team with a record better than five hundred one. That's why why. Why drink bud dry you know what I I remember that? Yeah I have no idea. They have no idea other than apparently they're not good to be with a winning record. You can tomorrow at this point. But it is my boggling. And it's not like they've been blown out of the game the only times you know the the last two games against buffalo in if the car is when they had major deficit and they're really out of them but you go back to the same game and you go back to the The Green Bay game so Minnesota game very wonderful games where the cowboys and they couldn't get it done and that's something that you know. They haven't even going back to the Patriots game you know. That's something that they have not give up all season you know make plays when it matters most against winning teams here we go again. You know. Three Games left in the season. You know finally you know there is is is is on the brink now with eagles going into a tie with them atop the division of six and seven and they're playing another winning team that I don't think they can beat the rams the best football they played all season. And here's the capital of team. They're in a funk. You know what the cowboys did this week. You know try to Disney Garrett showed them all film of them playing okay well Oh and then I was like what was it last year Clarence. He'll get their competence arbiters That's crazy plans. He'll junior joining us from the star telegram. I don't know why I always mess it up. Say Dallas Morning News with you I I. I don't know why I always think it's because jock though that's probably why We don't look alike look alike vote black anyway This MOCHA color right here. You know don't theme in my other brother Guy Wave here in greenhouse. Yeah he has to stay off rope so when you look at the Dallas cowboys right now Jason Gear. What does Jason Gear need to do to save his job? There's nothing he can do due to save your job sort of the Super Bowl and we all know that they have that that's a pipe dream you know and no one believed they're going to get on a run and and do what's around did and they come out of nowhere and super bowl even even those Ramsey. We're not at seven you know there's no you know no one brings. The cowboys are GONNA wind up on pre infinite ninety seven. But there's there's nothing I can do this. That that that that his fate is already missiel already thinking and looking and talking about the coach we already talking about looking at other coaches that could bring in another can do is allow your job and you back up like this. You know you come into the seasons in cowboy gave them everything they want to Jerry Jones with his money on demography laws in Jalen smit and Ezekiel Elliott and lay all college. Alerts you go trae for rob. Acquire your trade for and Michael Bennett in the middle of the season to help city over the top. And you put out a performance. Like if you've on your first three against the worst teams in the League. And then he's loose seven of ten and lost three in a row lost four five with the season the line and your trump by his job passive or. You have done it already if the rams are win the rams go in Arlington in a beat beat the cowboys. What happens to debt Prescott money? Does it stay the same. Does it decrease. Does it increase. What happens to him damn it? And that's the thing about it is because they were close to a deal. They went three when they won their first three games. That's when DAX agents you know. Got Us aside themselves and say hey we need more money. You know jared talk before they were close ever closer to about thirty three million dollars a year in which is what it should you know what it should be. You know they jacked up. They walk forty. Now it's crazy but It depends on hi played but the thing about it is. You gotta stay here. You were here okay. That time between when Tony Romo. They that quarterback quarterback abyss from writing the Clint Stern is an Orion leaves. And all those two very. Don't want to go through that thing again. That I got his quarterback back. He's wanting to pay him. You know mark value money it what it is. You know. It's GONNA be thirty three thirty four thirty five million. That's what they're getting. You look at what you bought in. La Got you look with Carson Wentz guy you know they should be paid in their category Clarence Hill junior joining us star telegram in Dallas. Go Go back to Jason Garrett Jerry earlier like you said there's no way he's going to save his job. He's had a long time to put some money to fix ten years. Why why are are we here? Why hasn't he done something sooner? Why why are we here in two thousand nineteen still asking these same questions when there's been no indication that this was the guy to get you over the hump? What what does he still doing here? Why is this still a topic? Well why the top two coming into the season because Jerry wants Jason to succeed. Jerry is comfortable with Jason. Jason head coach allows air to be Jerry you know in in in that was one reason why he wanted him to succeed in here as long as he did. I I mean you gotTa Standard. It's a unique situation to coach the cowboys when the owner GM has a press conference after the game and we the reporters at the It'd be owner. GEOS press conference in prioritize that over the coldest I cop after the game and the oldest giving up injury updates and and contemplated or remark remark. And how the team is playing. Then he has to press conference or a radio show during the week while we just know that we will listen to the code press common because of what he's going to say no. Of course I was GONNA say so. It's unique situation Jason. Hasn't been able to live with and be involved with that. You don't know if you go after eight Sean. Paid or Nick Sabin or urban Meyer. or they'd be comfortable with that situation. You know and and so now Jerry you know as he looks for his next coach wept. Decide if he's going to get out of his comfort zone and think outside the box and bringing a guy like a bill parcells or something like that where he did chain for. Bill Always GonNa Bring the young coach. He's going to be happy to get a job and really accept. The situation. Hasn't Dallas let me ask you this question real quick for me thirty seconds could Marvin Lewis be a candidate. I don't think so just marvelous to the fans used the newest now. If you had to place a conversation about this you know yesterday in a in a meteoroid because Marvin Lewis out there you know and mom Marmouri coach record as the blackjacks and Gary said you got him now. Jason Gann in Cincinnati. I JUST WANNA play off games. Yeah but the talent old and he's great. I understand that he had Mike Brown but on paper. It's playoff success is success. He's the black dance birth. laryngeal junior governor star telegram. Take your time this morning. Thanks a bunch. Lakers back at it tonight in Miami or they as good as the record says they are. That's that's next. That ain't right Chris. Say on that I say on that I said the willies. That little slurpy little drink and you walk going to beat. You're saying you're feeding San not say anything about that. You said Willey's minute ago key and I thought you meant so. I thought that thinking I thought you were talking about that did when you were a kid. Know your fingers ticket. Somebody's that's a wet will know when you drink on average right now frozen. dachary tight placed on Ocean Avenue South Beach. Okay marlow boutique deal in literally to get these big Gulp. Things things in his full of alcohol and sugar your point two pounds like a hurricane basically right so my first time really experience it. I went with John. Quiz Wiz. Redel Anthony John John Lewis Green. And there's a drink call call a cab. I swear to you the end of the day I had to call one I guy man I thought they put some in my roofing mass. When in your home to music in Miami and I'm traveling and it was crazy I had to call a cab? Put My hand up. I went to the hotel Taylor could handle it. I had to ono woke up on the beach to see the sunrise unintentionally they call. It will be some Nice. My attention real thing Lakers couple of things going on. They got a chance dance to win their thirteenth game in a row on the road which would be another step closer to tying that record which would take place in Miami and then ultimately breaking the record after that. That's part one of what's going on. The other part is something that we've been talking about for what week or two and just the percentage of games that they're winning they're winning eighty eight percent of their games really more more or less. Since the opening loss of the season. They've been a team that wins five or six or seven drops one wins seven or eight drops one. And that's kind of how they've been rolling. They're they're they're really good. Put kind of put the the seventy thing in conjunction with. Let's say that key you're right that they're all saying each other on the Boston. The hotel. Hey you know what we're onto something here. We got a chance to do something historic. We've got a chance to do something that doesn't happen very often. If they win their are seventy games and if they close the show unlike the warriors a few years ago who won their seventy three games but got beat in the finals. I mean is it possible that even though we've only seen him play twenty five games that we're looking at one of the greatest teams of all time. I think there's a possibility there I think as they continue to keep winning in pollen. These wins together. I mean what. What is the loss? Total in your mind. What could they conceivably lose fifteen? Then that gives them some sixty seven wins which it's incredible. It's a great season and so when you look at that. That seems like a lot to me because they only have team. Yeah they only at three right now in. They're going to see some of these same teams again. They've already jumped up and down in his. Just it feels to me that they're on some sort of silently mission outside of winning the world. I mean the world series outside of winning the world championship the NBA Championship. They're like this quiet silent mission amongst themselves that they he could talk to each other in the training room at practice on the bus on the plane when they're playing cards at dinner you know and that's what it seems but why because everybody there play a place. Professional sports have goals. They don't talk about. They accomplish things that they've done but certain things they haven't done it they WANNA do. Lebron James Never won those type seventy games. That's even though you you sit there you go or do you want to do. That is something to check. It's a box. It's a box you check that I wanna VP. Check got rings check. I did this check paycheck. I'm shoot check. I did a commercial check. The movie check. I built a big house. Check I never want seventy Chen history right. Everybody wants to do something more. Everyone wants to do something that they haven't done before. So when and this is a perfect opportunity to do that so when you have a special team I can see maybe having those whispers among the stars at players saying hey nothing can get these thirteen issue. I I could see. But what if you're a congress in effect. You don't have a special team. Do you spell Hula. Get special no special team and you know when your team special you know when they might feel a team especially nobody in New Orleans team especially nobody in Sacramento team special. That's what I mean like. You're cognizant when you're not special watson to you cognis Auden's cognizant cognizant cognizant that they may feel that they have a special team just because they're not telling us no no no. I agree with that. My question to you is key when you are an athlete and you know you're not on a special team. What sort of benchmarks to you make you? Don't make any you just try to get try to get through get through it. You just say how much because I really wanted fifteen. I knew he was dog. You know what you were saying that a couple of weeks ago key. This idea that they're talking to each other that they they've got this message inside the team among amongst themselves this idea that they're special so the the silent mission that they're on and the little clues that they've dropped. Were not going to lose two in a row. We're not gonNA load manage. All of these sorts of things. Does that make a difference reference to the the idea of the all of us being in this thing and we're all pulling on the BRA trying to get the same goal done or is this just a fact of the matter. They have Anthony Davis and Lebron James and a bunch of very nice complimentary players that are helping them push this thing to a really high level or do you have to have that internal conversation like look. We're GONNA make the playoffs. Were going to be a home team. We might get the topsy just if we go out there and just quote unquote play. But if we think we're onto something special you have to have the conversation. Does it need to be talked about. It's just a normal constantly smoking cigarettes and drinking wine man we talking we just having a conversation. We watching certain teams think about it though Travis. and L Z have ever had the top three or four players on the team who the warriors gladly. What did they do? They won the championship years ago. And it was you know our. When they went in didn't win they had the record and all sorts of things? So when you look at that you say will oh teams that got the top four do a two and a top four dudes own eighteen can do some stuff. The warriors are the only team the the Bulls never had the top to do atop force top Ford because Anthony Davis and abroad James in the top four all right. The dodgers did not get anthony. Rendong did they get lucky. All explain. That's coming up next. I gotTA GET DOWN TO MIAMI and get wheel era call a cab or whatever it is. Okay well whatever the names are just the I just need the address. I'll take it from a mason. Had One yet. Yes Miami. Half a dozen. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah but you probably rounding when you go to Miami. You probably don't go to the touristy destination so right not really ocean is a little tourist economy. I've only been to Miami for work for Super Bowl and things like that. Yeah but I usually. I'm usually pretty good at finding the spot. That hasn't that kind of spot is getting the frozen grapes at Adela. No dated the Dell noughts. It gets by all right So this is did the dodgers apparently and this is according to Horeca. Sto from the La eight times a friend of the show. That's right rush He tweeted the following. The dodgers didn't make Anthony Rendon an offer per sources their sense was he didn't WanNA WANNA play in. La Orange County apparently was a different story. Look there are many many differences between Los Angeles and Orange County and and if this is true. I'm really glad that Anthony Rendon made it clear that he did not want to play in L. A.. Because if you're not about this if you're not about that fishbowl. That comes along along with being a dodger. Great because Anthony were don't is clearly not a guy that's afraid of big moments. You showed us in the world series that he is that guy but if you choose the angels you're choosing to be anonymous because think about this thing Mike. Trout got drafted there. He had no choice. They offered him nearly a half a billion dollars. He's not leaving that when it's not on how that goes think about Shohei Ohtani for a second. Okay Shohei Otani is doing something that we haven't seen since Babe Ruth and it's an extraordinary ordinary story that this is a guy that when he was healthy was one of the best pitchers in baseball and also a guy who's a legitimate slugger not not just a guy that always a pitcher that can hit. That's Kinda cute brothers ate. He's a slugger right. When's the last time you heard me say his name or he was hurt? Wouldn't hit and we even when it happened it showed up. It's like Oh this is cool. went away as fast as it showed up. Because it's the angels. If OTANI was in the Yankees the dodgers the cubs the giants the cardinals any of the teams. That matter it would be the biggest thing in a long time. I agree with that Travis because honestly baseball just does a piss poor job of marketing stars regardless of location. Probably dodgers is on a big national story but the problem. The dodgers are national store. No no they're not. They are not huge. It's it's a national story but it's not not huge you know it's like it if you go from a one to attend a dodgers on a national scale like six where the Yankees is probably eight. Yeah I mean that's winter to know I get that part of it kind of what I would say but the oxygen get sucked up by basketball. NFL and if you know then if you do something nothing wrong you get busted with drug or something in space for you. So there's very little space actually somebody. I'm just saying those are the stories that have life in large part because our network. We control a lot of that bandwidth and our interests are in the NBA and in football. And so there's just very little bandwidth period for baseball as block. I hear what you're saying. You're not wrong. But if Shohei Otani was doing the best version of himself in new if the Yankees with the cubs we will talk about it a lot. It shows New York Shohei Ohtani even if it was a cub or a dodger Shohei ohtani goes out and throws a three hitter on a Wednesday and shows up on Thursday and hits. It's two home runs. We're going crazy if it's a New York or even if it's what the dodgers are the cubs nine giants because it's so remarkably unique. Mike Trout's outs doing stuff that no one has ever done before. And guess when it's a footnote. Nobody cares I I just feel that when it comes to all these new your think about it. Either by manning plays one game and it becomes a national story and debate hours and hours and hours for one reason. Only leasing New York but the New York knickerbockers. I hadn't had one a chip since I was in diapers and we still talk about their failures like they were just ended last year. That's because in New York. That's what Travis saying. If he was a dodger it would be different is only about New York now. Not about if he's there. Certain franchises is that are you competitor around the country that yet we got us a what they do is GonNa be a conversation. The Patriots the Lakers below but then there are certain sports sports that unless is in New York. We're not going to care about. It would care it would matter more in New York I think. Let me try it this way. If Anthony Rendon signs deal seven seven years to forty five and goes to the angels and Winston Mvp. It's okay cool. Good job if he goes to the angels signs of seventy five and and hits two hundred. It's whatever there's just there's no way to cut through down there and when you rush shoes when you choose that you're choosing that we signed to seven years to forty five at the dodgers you're gonNA hear about it there's GonNa be things written about even if it's not a national cody. MVP Dog they. Nobody talked about nothing. We know here we talked about it. It's not a national story. My point but the point is is that if he I chooses to go that no matter what the result is it's anonymity. I don't want that here because I if you are a dodger your Clayton Kershaw is getting eviscerated. Visceral cody bellinger. Got Beat Up. Because he hit a hundred in the playoffs cody Seger Cory Seager is on the trade bloc because he couldn't get a hit for three weeks this the first of all you just don't make the playoffs so this might not be examined apples-to-apples the point being that just I having not talk talk to the brother but just haven't I call them breath. I call everybody brother really don't because I talked to him I can't say definitively Buffoni outside looking in if you spent your years playing baseball in Washington D. C. for the nationals and the lifestyle that requires you to do that. Maybe maybe he just wanted a change because it's a bear if you live like in Maryland and in a nice big house and you need to get to that park with the traffic and everything. That's that wears easy and that's the same sort of commute. He'll be facing the dodgers years. You're it's easier living in Orange County on the Orange County living down there. It's just he's you can go to dinner at six o'clock you don't have to wait and all these lines ten o'clock reservation you could be home. You bid by nine instead of being at one. Am I living in crystal cove of and being able to go to the store and nobody bothered. That's a good deal especially two hundred forty five million in the bank Joel. EMBIID got lit up and it worked till you coming up next next. Hey it's Friday on the weekends almost here we on ESPN LA or fueled by coors light. The world's most refreshing beer please drink responsibly. All right let's start with in all right and be a topic Joel embiid got heavily criticised from Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal the other night and then went out last night against the Celtics ticks and got after it. Those guys lighting him up worked. Take it or shake shake shake it if he needed needed them to to light a fire him then he shouldn't even be an NBA. I mean that's ridiculous. You getting paid millions of dollars professional athlete. You shouldn't have people you shouldn't respond to people criticising you then go out there and play you should be able to watch yourself and know that something ain't right in do it that way. I don't believe I I. I believe it's a coincidence that the timing was such but I don't think that all of a sudden because they said something that he had a good game. Yeah okay well you disagree. He was well aware of their comments. And what he said he was. Where will wear to come in? So when he goes out there any as bad game next time out then what they have to come back out and say something you know I I think what embiid basically validated their criticism questioned. The timing of. This is just the timing of the. I think that embiid could make the case. That look I'm giving you the same effort every night. I'm giving you the Max effort if all of a sudden on the back end of being criticized very publicly by two of the great players and then question about it and questioned about it and then he goes out there and by the way he he was balling last night. Very happy but I I guess you know I look at it. And it's hard for me to separate myself from things like that. BECAUSE TRAVIS TRAVIS RODGERS CHANGES IN L Z granderson. Couldn't I would motivate me at all if it follows plant. Bet I look at you and laugh. I Jay writes could motivate me to grace receive. Even I was just GonNa say if it came from. I don't Rice or something. I told Chris Carter get away from me when I was planning again. Bring you please you almost. Maybe say something. He didn't tell me something like oh you need SMS. B But here's the difference. You have a internal motivation. See all the fame. Yes you have an internal motivation that clearly. You don't need somebody to Joel. EMBIID has been out of shape. Joel embiid goes through long stretches of games and seasons where he seems teams less than fully invested and temples with a staple in his diet. Man No no no. That's not right so surely one thing to have one another thing to order. Doc Pit multiple pitcher drinking alcohol and sugar major league. Baseball is taking Marijuana off off of the list so they are joining sports organizations. That are not going to deal with that anymore. Every league in the next five years it'll the okay to smoke pot take it or shaken. Come on take a but the problem is the lousy thinking as I was yesterday I I heard this story. Is You know I've been known to blow people's high out in the field just sitting there looking at the sky somebody really high at the game somebody hit a ground ball hit a between the alley. Mac Nettie go look at the ball. The problem is I get high before the game. Hopefully we might come onto my roommate in the pro for a long time for the game before the game before the meeting after the game before the club. Play with your look. I'll hi I'll say this. I've said it before that. That's the thing that scares me about his stat stat. Can you imagine that. Tell Standard outfield. You got you you just out there. 'CAUSE y'all set any different or quite honestly I would argue. It's a far better in your scenario than having a guy with a fistful vicadin stand. No no no no I understand that but he take a laugh about 'cause I'm thinking always a what if what if he's in left field and he's just chilling stuff do y'all y'all just be money all business in hearing things noises it fits all. I've said I'm glad that these leagues are catching up. Not like that though. Because you sound like somebody from prohibition day when they stopped with alcohol right can you imagine if we're gonNA have bankers drunk and every day we will meet again our banking. We can't have legal alcohol that's fielded all right right down the line. He standing there looking at the ball. Luca Donncha chat a forty one point triple double last night all right. He is a twenty one eight year old guy. A forty one point triple double last night. Luca Danni will win an MVP and the next three seasons take it or shake it shake down down here. Here's what here's why I say that because you got guys this steel here like Lebron James like a like a Jaanus. You know like this this people that are moving around they get that but you know you gotTa K. D. Coming back you so when you say three years I'm like many a lot of competition. Five may maybe fi but three. That's a lot of competition. They're gonNA WANNA give it to him. What did I wanNA give sports in the last night and as we was doing pre production stuff they had under twenty one to luke one for Lebron? I'm like hidden ago. It was like forty points. A double double or something here. They ain't found one now. They found one. Get ready to ride reason where we have conversations wife said. I'm not sure Lebron James a favor because you're right Lebron winning. We'll be a story. The better story is taking the Dallas Mavericks Making may top three top four team with a home court advantage in the first round playoff and is being led led by twenty year old European. That's a better story hazy. Thinking Guy Eight and a win like player of the week when they are something maybe stopped messing around and and not let him play. Well well he needs to stop breaking the rules where you need to change the rule just Costa rules are immoral. Doesn't mean more breaking them. Here's the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. If it's John Harbaugh we felt when we talked about Lamar Jackson in the draft means weeks and weeks before we actually follow through in the draft. We made a decision then and we knew that it was gonna be different. It was going to be unique and we talked about it and we started making plans then and we decided that that was going to be the way we're going to go and he was going to be our guy at some point in time we had joe we love Joe and Joe could have been there for whatever period of time it was but some point time it was going to be Lamar and that was going to be our guy and we're gonNA build an offense around his unique skill set. You know what what he does well and to me. That's what that's what coach. It always do for every player. Try to build something around their skill set and help them be the best player they can be and I think our coaches have done a great job of that but mostly the Mars done a great job of that and I'm real proud of them so they're building an offense around the Mark Jackson and obviously he's having tremendous success there is somebody in the NFL NFL. That's GonNa crack the Lamar Code with a game. Plan take it or shake shake never happen because I think Greg Roman as long as he's the offense coordinator he'll keep creating ways to have lamar be productive. Make Lamar productive. It'll just Cotin evolve. Aw Look everybody's focusing in one thousand plus yards five touchdowns man stopped at stop right right. I mean if if JOE FLACCO threw five zero they'll be talking about back up the brinks truck and everything else. This do though five tests now. I hereby cots Australia's his legs crazy milk. A record last night. Keep an eye on day. One a discount what he's doing as a passer that's interesting in that in fact brings us to the next thing by US discount in that one. Yes yes sure. It's pretty good dizzy idea that people wanNA discount Lamar Jackson. Is that still happening. That's coming up next.

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"By the way doesn't everybody know this from risky business right. This is a legendary generations will know this song in the future goes down and after tossed write this song his little dance with his shirt. You know and no plan socks absolutely. Sorry you mentioned I mentioned. There's a little long long shirt you couldn't see anything but you saw enough. There was a little bit there about. I mean you talking about me wearing the no logo stuff. Yeah so I've got a new year's resolution iming early really for a couple of days. Every week I intend to dress like a grownup. How long does this last three weeks? I've got an Khakis and a flannel shirt. They look like they've been washed days as like pull that out of the. They're fresher fresh from the gap. Yeah from the. Let's let's just let's just be honest you income from home. Yeah to hear Yep back to home correct. Why do you need to wear nice clothes because I just I just feel like low? We are cameras sometimes. The listen puts us on our on the Internet. They are on the internet under ever. Steve there is still that video of us. Talking to the random of guy out front of starbucks exist shows up if you search for like my name your name. That's like one of the first things that shows up be comfortable. It is the beauty of radio. Radio don't have to look good. No your hair undress. We're looking good sandals. Shorts t-shirt Pat. You're good as Colin Coward once that about about me I dress like a flood victim. See Own that just enjoy that it is a really good Michael Thompson. Wears flood pants though. That is true. All right so last night Lakers with a dominating win at Utah Second Night of a back to back and I thought this was especially interesting. This is Let's see I. You know things get aggregated than Riera dated. I have no idea where they actually start. This is apparently Harrison. FAGIN silverscreen enroll This was developed McGee. We're a team. You see all the chemistry that we have of on and off the court by far this is the best one through fifteen guys have gotten along and hung out together on and off the court in my career it just shows on the court I feel like one through fifteen. We have a lot of guys who don't care if another guy tells them they did something wrong. which is a big part of a championship team? Everybody it being held accountable. I've seen guys tell Lebron you've got to do it you've got to do that and Lebron doesn't go. I'm a hall of Famer McGee. He continued. James just accepts the feedback. That's good. That's huge I mean I I always think that That on the team so much of that type of culture is set by however the heck the best player on the team right yes. It's just if if he reacts well to it than everybody else does it too. Yeah Yeah Anthony. Davis has been fantastic. And he's absolutely I mean. I you know that play last night. I'm boy embassy. Donna which is a good example of why I think he's going to be in defensive player of the year but Lebron is the center of that team just is it runs through him. Emotionally runs through him conceptually it runs through him. Ah in real terms all those assists distributing the basketball and moments like that last night which which seems sort of incidental take the shoes off slide across the floor that kind of stuff it it embodies sort of what what this team is about which is more than anything else you see. Dwight Howard smile and you see laughing you you see smile and you see joking around and granted. They've not seen any real adversity yet. But frankly I don't know how much adversity they're going to see. Yeah they're gonNA I see adversity. You can't go through an entire season and Nazi adversity they. That's why I was trying to introduce a little drama. Because they like what you're just like. Hey you tried defending Klay. How much now? What's your drama? I'm just going for all the go for the like you got to stay sharp so when you're really really good sometimes you're you're what's good about. You ended up being what hurts us because you get a little complacent sit back. You know you can beat people like there's going to be a stretcher where some they'll have to deal with some injuries. He's there's going to be a stretch. Here will lose two or three in a row. Even though I know they don't want to like I. Did you feel like this is a sixty three or seventy three and nineteen. Don't feel like it. Seventy three seventy seventy three and nine today on the you know while they're probably the warriors are driving toward basically at the quarter pole. Yeah right so so. They're basically at the quarter pole. Okay so that's twelve losses twelve loss. Yeah we'RE GONNA lose more than seventy and twelve. Yeah that's pretty good. Historically orrick good their pro they're going to be in the sixties they will not be. That's really good. It's fantastic. It's really good so there's GonNa be a stretch where you did not contest. They're going to be in the sixties. That's what it feels like barring. Okay I'm gonNA knock on wood as I say that barring any kind of major injuries to some of their core our players the top two three guys like I think they will be. They play like this if they keep the knife. Sharp the way it is right now in the sixties can you imagine would be amazing in the sixties after going from being in the six years in the wilderness in the sixties. So if I told you that on the day that Frank Vogel got hired what if I told you what I told you sheely walk. Oh may have been the third choice but in the end he was GonNa win more games than any laker coach ever would in a single season. Yeah Yeah I mean what's what's the most wins. I think it's sixty six. What is it they were the team that won seventy two? Oh yeah okay way with yeah but like they might be that good yes they may be that good. But what if I told you on the day. Franco goldenrod hired food and we had that like really awkward press conference where like nobody really even wanted to ask Franken questioned. It was just all rob. Are you the backstabber. And my magic gone. What do you on first take like? That was that day. Yeah the last time they were in the sixties was two thousand two thousand nine five win sixty fifty five. Yeah that's five and seventeen that's really yeah and they won that your that's your. They beat the magic. Yeah it'd be Dwight they beat the magic and by the way. Dwight is just fun to watch seven phone right now. He's he's he kind of knows his lane. He's just doing what they need him to do. He's not trying to score thirty thirty points. In or be the best option inside he's just rebounding and defense lawyers into Dwight Howard shoots free coinage joiner in Berries before the game delight. We're shooting threes. And I said to Michael. Should he be doing that out there and might use it sure you it. Sure is fifty percent from three this year. One for two to white shoots a lot that corner three while they were warming up he and after the game too he loves Madam and all the other reporters always go out there and he's Dwight's always taken extra shots after the game. Yep like he goes out there and you just shooting threes. Yeah I'm right there. I could see exactly exactly where it goes on and fans are always on right there is. He's taken threes. Because it's so unexpected so unlikely. I think that's the ninth three pointer of his career eleventh. I think seven seven seven seven. Three pointer of his career have once he started five hundred. This year is all five hundred. Yeah exactly yeah hold after the first one and they cheered him after the second one you made the second one right yeah. That's that one so I wanna come back with something that is going to you. Put you in an odd spot okay. I'm always kind of non. You are part of the radio match. Something Stephen a Smith said this morning in a platform Eh Nacer in Ireland Momo's in for John. ESPN la Kusel refi footer at the Buzzer and just like we were talking about. He practiced and now he made one right before the end of the clock. Thirty four. Twenty six lakers. I mean you know you guys know. I'm very confident. And you know when I'm on the court I I feel like I can hit any shot any time and Also I PRAC- some You know my teammates is they always laugh in a when I hit him in. You know they're kind of really never surprised fries but You know you just work on in ops confident and taking yeah. You're six eight version of steph curry. I wish cal Cruz. Plus US twenty five last night a really good shooting hit a couple of those Right at the by two of those One at the end of the first quarter one at the end of the half right. Yeah I was at the end of the half. But he kinda got a little excited and shot with four seconds left out of the the BUZZER. He had three blocks in the fourth quarter to one of them on one. When play like I said when you have the best plan your team playing great defense you WanNa impress him right like everybody on? The team wants to impress. Lebron yes the they want. He's playing like that. So you gotta play like that and if you don't he's going to tell you about it or he's GonNa it's almost like were she's GonNa look look down on you. Yeah yeah yeah everybody wants in on it. Yeah All right so stephen a Smith this morning on the On the I take the I take I take was talking about Rob Pelinka and here's what he said. Rob Pelinka has done an outstanding job. Since then Frank Vogel has done turn an outstanding job that coaching staff has done an outstanding job at you can tell because you see the players. The coaches is a beautiful festive environment and talk to defendant in Baghad to say something about those deserves a lot of credit. It's a beautiful festive environment. I liked that rob. Pelinka is doing a great great job has done a great job. Isn't it time to give Rob Pelinka his do. Yeah I think it is. I mean I. I've been trying to the last couple weeks months. Whatever as this has gone on? It's like what if you whatever you WANNA say about how much he's influenced the roster versus Lebron Anthony Davis he got credit for the collaborate Colorado's guys and got them to put their name on it to unite like it wasn't like I think they've Lebron's always been involved in the roster construction maybe not as much last year's here's you should have been to be quite honest but this year what no matter how involved they all were whether it's the gravitational pull of Lebron. Anthony Davis together is what helped them get guys. It doesn't doesn't matter. He's still got the job done he's still got. Anthony Davis like we just talked about Bob soups and Mike. Why they couldn't close that deal now? Maybe it's because they wouldn't give him enough money for coaches that he wants. Maybe he didn't think he was. But what are the cases when you get when you get the guy. When he closed the deal closed the deal down to little things right so boogie cousins goes down. And you've got a choice between Dwight Howard or Kenneth Farid joke him Noah a lot of people scratching their heads when Rob Pelinka went with Dwight Howard. That is paid off in a huge way and also this is what I think that rob at least in this from what at least to my. I know it's not even just rob at like the whole organization. They kept their mouth shut. They didn't say anything. They just took this withering criticism I'm for months and months and months and just took it on the Chin and held to this firm line of. We're just going to wait because we believe in the team. We believe they're going to win. And we will let this team to its talk and they get on the floor and that's way harder to do than you think right. Most people go for the quick fix gopher may culpa interviews. They go for a leaking stories. They were you know hard but whatever you WANNA do they. They didn't and they didn't really play punch back against magic right. They didn't really trash. Luke Walton on the way out. Did they know there was a few things but not. I don't think ruined not really not not too strong They didn't trash the two coaches that didn't go with them. They took the high road sometimes the most difficult route. That's really hard to do. Especially in the profile that they had no against quite weathering personal attacks against Jeanie Buss Against Linda. Rams against Kurt Rambis against Rob Pelinka. I mean Rob Pelinka for a minute. There was there like a more unpopular person and delay Rob Pelinka. There was not and he didn't. I don't think he said anything that I mean I. I was part of the criticism I mean I was a huge part of the criticism. It wasn't like a day or two before but I will say it again again. I was wrong. It that's hard to do man like a lot. It's also your job. It is my job. That's your job. Delay like called like you see it in the moment and sometimes you're wrong you're wrong. Yeah but like like they were really like under fire like I just remember how hot that was over the summer because I I was in the middle of these social media wars to write like you're on one side or the other depending on what people who people are mad at that day Yup and it's just the truth is people are mad. Fans are mad. They're upset and scabby. Somebody's fault and don't like how they're being address or not being addressed and that was probably a really hard thing to do for months and months and months and and they did it and now they're winning stayed the course now they're winning and now all of that is forgotten. It's completely in the past the front office which included -cluded all of those people. You talked about that a fantastic jeter. They stayed the course. They did an amazing job. They put a great team on the on the court And we were just talking about them. The potential winning sixty plus Games Lebron. He's done a few like uninterrupted things but he hasn't done any of those stories like how do you like me now. The closest he came. was that one tweet. The Wash King. Yeah that's the closest. He came to like firing back. He took a lot of criticism to for a long time and everybody else celebrate his demise. Yep No it's true it's true and he's not really taken. Well I mean as taking a victory is taking a victory lap every single game. Play shoes off. He did take a shoes off yes he did. Yeah no it's just it's it's amazing. How what a transformation? This team has made in a year Last year we had. We'd incredibly high hopes but I think realistically yeah we had Labron and a bunch of young guys who weren't necessarily by the way I think generational generation really is part of that too. I detail there they. They are not of the same generation. Lebron in those young guys And I think now you've got a Lebron Lebron and a team of contemporaries who are battle-tested. Yeah who've been through this in a on a variety of different teams in a variety of situations And so all the sudden that's why Javale McGee is talking about a cohesiveness mutual respect. It's because these guys have all been through it. And they're bonded really by Lebron James and guess sweat the the whole at the an adage that we always say like they're on short-term deals and that that makes it really hard to build a team when guys are on one or two year deals because they feel like they gotta look out for number one they can't play selfless basketball. 'cause they got. Does that matter with this team. No these guys aren't on long-term deals the little. Anthony Davis isn't in a walk here Danny Green got a got a longer trivial years right. Yup It's not like everybody else like Don into Casey another one year deal right. I mean most of the most of the Lakers are gonNA be free agent. This this team is not set in stone. Going going forward. And they're all playing selflessly yup and not in that typical thing. That happens when you have veteran guys looking for their next contractor Ktar what they're going to eat next year. Yeah no question it's And to watch your games last night I think was a really good example. It looks it looks like a party and Lebron is the life of the party. So what's the last team sport that you've been a part of a high school basketball so we guys good We were Not Not good. Not so when you on five hundred when you played against A good team. How did they behave? they behaved satisfied They did not sure anybody them. Joe Anybody up now okay what would you take like disrespect. What would you take as like? Oh they think they're so much better than US and there can i. Can I just say yeah. I was not a starter and was not. You're like barely on I was I was like like friend. I was friend. Ring Layer play fringe player. Because I broke my leg twice while I was Going through my high school basketball career so I yeah I broke my leg twice. He's so I was is me. There's nothing about that sentence that it's like. Oh I'm shocked. Yeah I broke my leg twice. I broke my wrist. Once in high school broke. Face broke my face as a grownup grown. Your foot Yeah I mean I think think high school is a little bit different. I mean I I feel differently about it. I feel differently about college. There are certain levels of of The ability a to be smug and to gloat a little bit and to be feeling it a little bit in high school. At least where I was I was I was playing. It was not cool to to be that guy. It wasn't cool to be the over celebration. They show the other team up guy and I don't think my coach would it allowed it and I don't think most of the coaches in our league would have allowed it. Yeah so I think there is. Now the Lakers have gone from aggrieved. The team that has been everybody was against them. Nobody we'll trade with them. You know they like they took it on the Chin for a while right with all the criticism but now they they are out in front again and they're the sort of Lakers who dominate and always. Get The star player and always get so. It'll be interesting to see how this team does now as the hunted yes And this month is a is a really interesting test. I mean the month continues. I mean they've they've already already played in December three winning playoff teams. They lost to the mavericks but then swept this back to back. But if you look at their schedule at Portland and Portland's not not great Home Minnesota Minnesota's been all right Asher at Orlando team at Miami. Okay that's a real test. Atlanta not very good at Indiana playoff team. And then at Milwaukee probably the best team in the East Yeah. So that's your next the road trip then you go home. Denver Home Clippers at Portland. Home Dallas So that's a significant stretch here But I did not expect them to sweep both ends cancelled back to them either. I thought I thought last night would be I thought last night would be a loss. Yeah me too. That's why I thought it was a really good win loss for sure all right coming up next some hopeful news for the dodgers. Oh Mason Ireland. ESPN LA YEP ESPN LA Mason Ireland. What is going on so lake? You know who's been quiet Lakers again. The dodgers have been really really feel like baseball eaten up and there is nothing going on now today. Washington nationals principal owner Mark Lerner. Yeah has cautioned fans that while re-signing one of right handers Stephen Strasburg or third baseman. Anthony Rendon is still in play. This winter bringing ringing both all stars. Back to DC is off the table off the table off the Dow. So that means one of those guys now and the dodgers sort of the big three free agents the trio of free agents that are the top shell out here our Strasbourg Garrett Cole Anthony Riendeau and Andrew Friedman is an interesting situation yeah. The dodgers led the league in attendance last year. Just shy of four million fans They're getting twenty million a year for their TV deal which a lot of people cannot see. Do you get spectrum from. I do my job I got. They want one hundred six games last year and then die in the fifth game of the LDS against the nationals They've got a great farm system They've got a deep roster and thirty million dollars under the two hundred eight million dollar luxury tax threshold. That means they've got more flexibility. Yeah then Andrew Freedman has ever had as the as the vice. President of the kids are getting paid. Wendy you gotTA start paying people. That's what I mean. I think that's fair question. At what point do you pay cody bellinger and of course Eager Cory seager I think is potentially on the block. Wow I think so. Yeah because Gavin locks COMPLA- there. He's got the army. She others a lot of interest in in Francisco. Lindor from the Indian who will ultimately need to be paid but isn't necessarily making making big bucks. Now you know I. I think the dodgers needed to go pitching if they're gonNA spend a big a big number. Well how long does the the core players. How long do you think Justin Turner stays as an elite level hitter? How long can can you can Kelly Johnston in that role? How long I mean Kershaw? You've already seen some slippage from guess. Absolute that's how I got a starting pitcher and then reuse. I don't know where where they are on him on paying him. Ryu is a walkaway free agent right now and there's got to be a great market for them right so if you're going to potentially lose Rio Yup you have a diminishing kershaw yet. You're paying a lot to those. Are Two guy antic holes to fill. Yeah what do you think do you do you you bring back with you. I think if you can on a pretty team friendly contract for a year or two. I think somebody's pay so many injuries over over the years. Yeah I mean. He's into a little bit injury prone but he was great last year in really the last two years. She said to really good but I mean yes. We're talking about Clayton Kershaw Reunion. Those are a two huge pieces. The dodgers still have Walker Bueller and they still have Tony Goslin in Dustin May and Rias stripling and they have depth at at the at every position especially pitching so in this sense. I think you need to go Ren d-o-n than you would go strasburger Colt you. I need to go. Why do you need to get Randall? And they have great offense all because scoring runs has not been an issue right but I do. You need some of that. Hits in the playoffs which we've been really been one of the major issues. Is that not getting timely. Hit has been the biggest issue but does that translate. Can you actually say. And don't want a guy who hits in the playoff Rando Ren Grandoni hits in the playoffs. Yes absolutely absolutely rundown was fantastic. Oh I mean look he was. I'm not gonNA argue with that. He's always tasks he's also a guy that is going to get. Ed probably is going to get a lot of money on a shorter amount of years. And that's what buster only has told us very many times so if you go after him you take him and already Justin Turner already come out and said that he would move to first base came so then you have ren donut third Justin Turner. I you move. Muncie the second and either Luxor Seger at at short and ear set. Yeah I I go. You would go if I give you entry for Mookie Betts you have. Wow thirty million under the cap correct and you can't do all that under the cap you'll have a choice between Rondonia starting pitcher right and so I don't know if you own own or as that guy I think so. Many people put a huge amount onto starting pitching. And you're going to get you'RE GONNA get far not so much off of your starting pitching it worked in Washington. He's had three stud researchers are also they were discovered a closer off of the scrappy. Right I mean like yes. They'd had bullpen issues and then all of their guys who just just got it. He's got good but it worked for. Houston yeah it worked for Houston then it worked for it work. The other pitchers did work for Houston when they when they signed. Vert lander a couple years ago and verleger while this year That year was Dow that year Charlie Morton and and the other guy was to was a third and fourth starter. Didn't think of his name right now but it was all it was was written. Dallas was Dallas there. Then I don't know if you know gear Cole was yes it was Kaikal and Brad the peacock I remember that. Yeah Brad Pitt. And it wasn't so much about their pitching than when they won that year. It was hitting also being on trashcans and then cheating right. There was a lot of. Let's face it. There was cheating so wasn't the pitching it was cheating. And so so you would so you would go a you would go run. Don't over an ace correct and it it'd be and the only and and I'm going to be a little different than you to hear I would go Strasbourg over coal. Yeah I would not Strasbourg. I feel like as I Only say this because I've had him on my fantasy team a few times he can be really hot and cold and he can have some injuries that that extend a while where you're constantly worried about about what's going on with his elbow or shoulder isn't like that. You know what I saw from Stephen Strasburg awesome in the playoffs and the players. Other care what you do in the pitches you might move like Ravi Ray might move. Volley might move. The Red Sox might be trading a bunch of guys. You know. There's a lot of guys and that's why I'd also I'm not so big on UNMOVING. Pitching is out of control. Though I to be honest that Zack Wheeler Con Contract. Soul is a joke. Five mill is a GIO. uh-huh trade clause trade. I don't think he's ever had better than a four and a half. Era Right it's just because he was good for a year in just dumb. I mean Cole Hamels now Cole. Hamels one one year eighteen million with a Lanta a pretty good deal I would have loved the dodgers to do something like that but eighteen miles to high I mean that's basically the qualifying offer. It is the qualifying qualifying offer. It's okay so now I'm going to turn things around on you. I would absolutely go over and don't go no go down. I was just I. I was trying to play Devil's at other countries. You can train for. Yeah they're honestly. I love the core. I love the the bare bones of that rotation I love Walker Bueller Kershaw and the two or three Totally live with that I love the young guys I love. God Sean I love May Lowery. I think all those guys have a chance to blossom this coming year and you can't find a starting pitcher for less than the price. You're going to lock in with five years on Stephen Strasburg or five years ears on Garrett Cole and if you're Washington what is the more important thing for them to maintain their identity of that three headed monster of the starting pitching or is it a keep Anthony. Donovan wants soda next to each other. which sounds great? You obviously can't do both so the identity has to be one or the other and it's probably like last year. This isn't Bryce Harper in Manny. Machado I mean. Oh we're in don't is deadly consistent. He is the best power hitter in terms of average in the game. You you don't find a guy who hits that many home runs and still hits for average like aneurin. Don't any fits the dodgers mold. He's a patient hitter. He waits for the pitches. which is it's so much fun? I Pitch Swing Cory seager. He's a guy that is actually a dodger player. He fits perfectly. But here's the thing they've gotta gotTa do something big. Yes because this is i. I mean I won't say it's the fan base and you shouldn't complain seven straight division titles means something Two world series stories counts for something. But you need to show fans state. You are feeling the urgency that they are And you you know stand cast and was the president of the the Atlanta Braves when they won thirteen or fourteen straight division titles but they did win a world series where now. This'll be eight years into this. Run that we the favorites to win the division again. You need to show fans that you are willing to go all in and try to get that first world series in thirty two years. I think it'll be thirty years. Yes eighty-eight don't we don't need to say the year thirty two years years. I don't know I I hear you on that but I also think they have. They have this reputation that haven't gone all in. Yeah but they've also been the best team in the National League for quite some time to it. That's probably why like you have this longevity. Because they haven't done anything stupid right but but longevity the isn't worth it if you don't win the title right and now you have the pieces you have the money you have the top five farm system you you have everything you will doll of this up to maintain what you have tastic. I mean win win the division title every year. They're in a week division. I don't hold that against him. We're we clean up in the National League West Longevity is great but you got to win the world series they lost the world series by the whatever you want to say say whether it was banging on trash cans and Astros cheating too or Yu. Darvish just didn't get it done in game seven. Kevin Jansen blue couple saves their Kershaw had a couple couple of bad games like get through the next year. Red Sox it's no contest close and last year they they gave Washington a heck of a series. Well they should they want to know the six six games so they win that game. Washington was wildcard team. But they were they. Were the hottest team Basil you. You had that game yeah they. I should've won the other. Two run lead in that game seventh-inning what my point is. They're closed and every single time he comes down to what happens in that particular game and and Andrew Friedman looks at things like you're the you're the casino your the House so the House is GonNa win more than not but they're gonNA lose sometimes because just probabilities. Probably it's time to check. Okay all right coming up next for you. This is amazing. Steve Physical Gambling Guy. The fess is ten and Ooh With his best best pets this year ten. And Oh what are you talking about. I think it's great that we have somebody that comes on here never loses. He's technically ten or more. Yeah he's done in one astern one. I just think ten and sound so much better. Well he was ten and before he was ten one. Is that what you're saying He lost one a long time. We totally forgot. It wasn't here that day at market ten to one or are you kidding me still get. It's unbelievable so if you are a gambler you WANNA hang on next and listen for his best bet ten in one with his best bets this year. That's coming up next for you Mason Ireland. Momo's in for John. ESPN LA MASON IRELAND ESPN La. Momo is in for John Today and we mentioned it he is ten and one with with is best best this year. We actually went back and found one that he missed. Steve fezzet joins us the Fez. Sorry about that as you had a spotless record until I swear God listeners went back through podcasts and told US exactly where the pick was made. It had something to do with the dolphins and it was earlier this year. So a your ten and one. I'm sorry to report. Yeah my apology. Obviously somebody hits with different shows but I can guarantee you that my record on your show is. It's better than any other show. Do wait a minute. So do you have different. Picks on different shows. Yeah because depending upon the day and the line moves that occur. Her they'll be. My Best Bet will change because oftentimes I'll lose the best that the number on certain games I like on the course of a we got it all right. So why don't we start with the Thursday night Game Dallas is trying to lose their way into the NFC east Title they are three point favorites three three point favorites at Chicago. What do you think yeah? I just looked at the playoff scenarios and apparently Dallas needs to lose two MORE GAMES TO CLINCH A playoff spot. Let's call me a square ball. Oh here I actually leaned to Dallas and the reason is is that although Dallas a six and six so Chicago the underlying stats for Dallas. US are quite good yards per play differential really good. I know that has been four. That's why they've lost so many close games and if you look at Chicago. I'M GONNA make the case that the bears are overrated. Because they're three and five games to those wind. They beat the Detroit. Lions backup quarterbacks if Stafford had been playing in those games and I think Chicago could well have been forty eight. So I want to ask you. You mentioned Minnesota and they're playing the lions this week week. You know the rams seven and five were still alive. They are one game out of the wild card behind the The Vikings it's a fourteen point. Spread what odds do you give the lions there. I would say the Lions can win the game about fifteen percent of the time they have a punchers chance just because Minnesota so. It's a bad spot Monday night game Seattle and all your skill position players Sealand Digs Dalvin. Cooker all banged up for Minnesota. And frankly we've I've seen Minnesota lose as a really big favourite before they lost it the sixty and a half points. When he asked year I could see Detroit keeping this closer than people? Think and Detroit was actually not terrible last year now last week right. They didn't win but they covered. Yeah what happened. Is that how their third string and came out and Dan the bare said. Oh he won't throw deep on US and and put eight in the box and Blau through over them for two quick touchdowns. I don't think his success is going to continue. Okay there couple of Marquee Games this week. One is down in New Orleans. The forty niners and the saints. That is a monster game in terms of the NFC. Let's see playoff picture. How does that stack up? You know I prefer New Orleans in this game my two and a half and I'm against the pro's pro zip and betting on the forty niners. I I liked what I'm seeing from drew brees. I know Teddy Bridgewater went five now but freezes. Numbers are better than Bridgewater's and frankly the eye test I've hearing other people people talking about how briefs doesn't look like you can throw the ball as he could in the past and I think he looks just fine as receivers dropped four balls last week. I think that at home massive home field advantage New Orleans get all right the other big one is an AFC. Kansas City in New England. Who have people like that game for? The money's been and coming in on New England. It opened less than a three point spread and now knowing minus three. Lay a dollar twenty. I'm on the chiefs though you don't make money typically betting going against the genius but I'll make the case Kansas City they are Four losses a big part of that is they've been compromised at quarterback homes. uh-huh play three games. One hundred percent and Matt Moore Played Three Games. If they had had a healthy moms all year long Casey would be ten and two and we would be perceiving them as the better not by. The Sky is falling for New Orleans. Or I'm sorry through a New England on offense yes but what has happened in their defense has gotten so much better. In prior years knowing defense was average but was good at stopping third downs and their offense was top. Five and now they're offenses. The average Brady has gotten older and that defense has certainly picked it up. Obviously they could've used a playmaker. They try Josh. Gordon didn't work out Ab You didn't work out. Their first round draft pick. Harry got hurt so a lot has gone wrong. The preventing them from having a deep threat. All right so seven and five were still alive. That's it's the slogan for US Rams fans Sunday night against Seattle at the Coliseum. I'm hoping he got good news. Oh I have exceptional news because does the rams are indeed my Beth. ooh putting the ten in one on the line and you out. I want to make the case that these are fairly equal teams. I get it. Seattle is ten and two and the rams are seven and five well. How much different is the narrative if Sirloin just make the field goal now all of a sudden Seattle is nine three and the rams are eight and four and that was a game that was evenly play at the entire way forty four yard field goal? Yes and how often does he miss those bottom lines. You look at the point differential these two teams Seattle is the luckiest yes team. I've ever seen their ten to. They've outscored their opponents by thirty six points. The rams are seven and five Dave out there by thirty three points. The difference in point point differential desert. Line the Ogle. Wow so you like the rams I guess what what is line on that game the game is pick them and more oh spots shop around you can even find a plus one great me a pick em okay. Taking the ran straight up Sunday night at the Coliseum. I will be there to see your Yawn Al True. Maybe you should just not go no. I don't Miss It. rhymes game okay. I haven't missed one yet. The we'll we'll what percentage of the crowd will be rams fans versus. It's not as bad as you're hearing. Is that your thing. The the there are too many fans from other teams there. Oh I actually love it when there's things that are outside the norm but I I actually give the rams a little over two points for home field so I don't get them the whole complement of three but I still give them credit for the home field and they certainly I expect them to play. Better there okay Thanks man appreciate command. Go Rams go ramps love this guy now go ramps pants Mason in Ireland E._S._p._n. a life.

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Game 6 & NFL Trade Deadline

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:18:58 hr | 1 year ago

Game 6 & NFL Trade Deadline

"Aaron is here Tommy did yesterday because he's traveling right now to Houston for game six tonight Ben Standing from the athletic is going to join us here shortly you want it you need it it's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show now here's Kevin I am here which by the way is the biggest television night of the week okay enough on that I'm excited about tonight very excited you know we but why would it go down when you did twenty three and twenty four numbers in earlier games in a two two pivotal game five of the World Series on a Sunday night bigger games in DC sports history. I mean I don't WanNa go to nuts here but it's a world series elimination be okay I thought they were going to be much better for these playoff games at this point just so everybody knows not one of the Nats World Series Games has cities I guarantee you and I haven't seen the local number for packers chiefs on Sunday night but I guarantee you that the game did a nineteen the law earlier against the forty niners did near eighteen rating against the niners all right as a one win team locally that's not good that's not good at all and you know why it did in nineteen because there was football on packers chiefs was a really good Sunday night game even done a number that's comparable with what the CAP stayed in their game five elimination game against Las Vegas the best number the Nazis I'm six in the world effing series it's a pretty big deal you know we've had NFC championship games and super bowls in a Stanley Cup. You know I thought the nats were going to kill it in this world series I thought you were really going to see the example that the nets were really starting to push now interested in trading Trent Williams so we're GonNa get to all of that with Ben in about twenty minutes want to start though with really what is one of the game game six you know it is October late October our team is in the world series they're down three games to two and they're playing a game I mean sorry you know people that want the nats to be the number one product in town the NFL reigns supreme in more pat a month full of memories here that started on the first day of the month October I in a wildcard game in that eighth inning you know that's an all time postseason on his twenty four something and the game against the Vegas the game against Vegas in twenty seventeen in the Stanley Cup sorry for the nationals so does hit the error in right field and all the sudden he goes from three two one two four two three all right you had an you know that that number one spot or certainly you know put space between them and the caps for number two hasn't happened maybe it'll happen tonight in and some of their players the big news yesterday's that you had it for me and rappaport and again from Tom delessio from the NFL network that the redskins are Hendrick Grand Slam in the tenth to win it an epic memory you swept the cardinals in the National League Championship Series List rated game of the world series so far for the nats because a lot of people were watching football what what other reason would there be the redskins a week maybe if there's a game seven it will definitely happen but anyway were very very surprised at the low local ratings for game five nine thousand nine hundred good number don't get me wrong up close out game did a twenty five something I thought we were going to be into the thirties at this point and maybe we will get that tonight but game five did a nineteen an NBA finals many years ago this is about as big as it gets now I know and I've I've been looking at television ratings and they're not what I thought they would arken league many years ago since nineteen thirty three all right then it was onto the world series which by the way for a lot of people you're like this is all icing on the cake no matter what happens he's there a big brand in baseball you went in with two unbelievable pitching performances Sanchez nearly threw a no hitter and Shaer's her almost is backed up with another no hitter incredible memories to win the First National League Championship Series Pennant or the I league pennant 'cause they used to be in the that they would come home with the to nothing lead and not get swept and have a legitimate shot to win the world series at home over the weekend they picked up is there big underdog you know but then they won the first two games and expectations changed because there was certainly an expectation ultimate in sports which is a game seven for a world championship yet tonight is one of the bigger games in the history of sports epic game five against a Blueblood in the dodgers in dodger stadium and you had back to back homers by Ren Donen Soto to tie it and then the bad time to go into an offensive scoring slim three total runs excuse me three total runs in three games nowhere near good enough not against a team like Houston and now they're on the brink of elimination it's been a great run it's been a fun month but it would be even better if they could force the in this city that's not an exaggeration no matter how many people consume it via television or you know get on a plane and go to Houston to watch it it is on the face of it one of the biggest sports games in the history of the city period game six of the F. Ing World Series are you kidding me and you get tonight you get your best pitcher taking center stage the man who owns the second greatest era growing postseason legacy by extending this incredible month one more night a great performance by Strauss tonight in playoff history for men who have started at least five postseason games think about that for a moment Stephen Strasburg one point four three play-off era is second only to Sandy Colfax in Strasberg's got a chance tonight errand add to his own gives the nats another game more likely than not I'm expecting it and I'm expecting it because I just view this game in a very sort of simplistic way to me I trust Strasbourg a lot more than I trust overlander big game though tonight really important game tonight I it's not kind of what we expected to come out and postseason the is Strasbourg going to opt out was that Rangoon's last at Bat at nationals park on Sunday I would say it's potentially changes the future of the team future the city in sports like if they go out they win this one and we're starting to see these articles that we expected to see four weeks ago that you know the nationals kept postponing if they win the next two games everything changes when it comes to that somehow they pull out game seven whether it's shirts are on the mound or somebody else on the mound changes the fortunes of the team you know we're already seeing during the off day we saw about the possibility of getting surgery game seven they'd rather ensure Sherzer was in game seven but just the possibility of lining up Strasbourg and Sherzer this is read it and I answered it because you're speaking to the importance the future importance of what tonight means like to the nats future and somebody they want they just got execute now back to what you started your answer with it's very interesting because I got a tweet during the radio show this morning and you've had a month full of memories that you'll never ever forget Soto in the eighth inning of the Wildcard Game Kendrick in Los Angeles Wise One seventy five right now one eighty one eighty right now so I'm not confident but yes this is the situation they want they want Strasbourg on the mound right now what does that do to the excitement that we've felt here for a month personally I don't think it affects it at all I might M- from my standpoint and yes I'm I'm with you I'm not going to say I'm confident there's no way to be confident in this series is the reason that astor's are so heavily favored in this game Sanchez ensures are in Saint Louis Health Zouqi in game two of the world series you know and maybe you got one more tonight maybe you don't but I think the excitement over this month for the nationals isn't going to be tarnished by losing the world series in four straight I don't think it will all this time and they're not any good I think what we've seen is we've seen what big sports cities have experienced many times in that is baseball be I would be very surprised if people are like same old DC sports you know they choked they lost I invested they won the world series it would be even better but I don't think they lose a lot if they go down tonight I don't think you hit it on the head with that lasted Oh my God there's going to be a big group of people who say Oh my God this was DC sports they choked again. Lucy pulled out the football however you want weeded me his name was seth and I am I gonNA paraphrase it here but he said essentially after losing three games at home potentially bowing out four straight tonight in October for a full month not just for you know a best of five and LDS in it's over but for a full month the excitement that that brings I I don't think that that gets taken away by a lawsuit I don't want him to lose and yes it would add even more because we know this is a bandwagon front running town and and will do you know I don't know how winning the World Series here actually manifests itself either only that I know that next drop for Sunday in addition to football and the weather and everything else so I agree with you especially once we get to January once once we once we kind of are postseason if they're in it people will be really jacked up I don't know if it means better ratings during the regular season on television or increased attendance I don't know how winning the world series or even this run so far will manifest itself in in terms of future interest level but I do know this because we saw things are very different for game five was if they lose two games in a very mediocre fashion where they weren't really threatening at all that's why the ticket prices also even though this is a bandwagon town and I think those ratings you know you kind of reflects it yes football big thing to do but if that was a potential clincher game I think those uh spring off of Stanley Cup the year before was the highest I R- I can ever remember so if the nets were to win it and I don't it changes if they lose it I think the interest level if they are to make it back to the postseason next year in the beginning of the postseason is going to be off the charts off the charts remember we have seen playoff games at nats park in the past where it wasn't a complete full house like that first game against the card all this with the caps this past spring the amount of juice that DC had for the beginning of the postseason laugh taken split in Houston they had won one game in these ones were five that but the way it happened that there's going to be a bitter taste in a lot of people's man that sometimes is impactful in has lasting effect I by the way you know when I say that I don't think it will tarnish it I also don't know what winning to get our emotions besides we look back and we realize oh my God this was so special you know the NAT Scott to the world series it's amazing but in the immediate aftermath I do think there will be I've not seen by the way a I still when looking for and by the way I'm a little bit skeptical as to why we haven't seen a rating for the redskins Vikings game the very bad ratings and not so quick to get out ratings that have been very good the the number against the niners to me was all about I don't think that they've put it out there they may have and I may have just missed it but I am they were they've been very quick to get out on Thursday Have you seen it I have not seen it I haven't seen it at all if you're looking up you know if you're looking for Steinberg or Scott Allen or Ben Strauss Erin and I said I asked him I said you know after three poor offensive performances do change up your lineup. Do you wouldn't surprise me if the Redskins Vikings Game Thursday night locally did a pretty good number wouldn't surprise me at all anyway enough about television ratings let's talk about the game tonight the weather that day no one was going out why not watch watch football and there wasn't a game on CBS simultaneously in the one o'clock window but anyway Trust Strasbourg more than vert lander I also am very interested to see how the nats play this I had Ray Knight on the show earlier Matt Adams in his left handed bat into the lineup and and bat three left-handers in a row Soto in the cleanup spot. 'cause I know it was like a twelve o'clock start or whatever you know and then you had you know the next year or two years later against the giants the eighteen inning game with basically a third of the the crowd aft- when it got cold and the game got long I think you'll have a different feel and a different interest level in the postseason but anyway I am very very surprised Adams v Cabrera sixth and then Bat Zimmerman we would still start at first base and he would have Kendrick available as a pinch hit bat late I was surprised at that and he said look it's not so much about panicking over the off lack of offense over the weekend it's about putting Hanoch is sort of the way I put it or do you stick with you know what you would probably done in the regular season you have three game stretches of not a lot of offense and then all the sudden you break he also wishes Matt Adams had more at bats in the postseason and he would make that move but he said that he would not be surprised if there is a lineup shakeup tonight I think I would be surprised and I'm hopeful that Suzuki's ready to go because he's the normal guy for Strasbourg got for five games of big time offense and he said he would make significant changes he said the change that he would make is he would he would insert Oh described I wouldn't view it that no I would view it as they got beat by a better team who is really good was all time and here's the thing if they had just done it where they had three left-handers in a row against a team that doesn't even have a left-hander in its bullpen and shake things up and he likes Matt Adams AH good analyst He thinks that that's a possibility the other thing to keep in mind is the Houston lineup they get Alvarez back in there is a designated hitter at home this guy's been a guy that the nets have not been able to get out yet I mean Alvarez is killing it in this series and you've got to wonder I'm interested I I'm seeing overall ratings but I haven't been able to writing I didn't see a local number for that you know in terms of catching Strasbourg that would be the only one of Suzuki's hurt you might get gums but other than that I expect the same lineup that we not available tomorrow night and they know that then that doesn't make Sanchez and door Corbin one of the two won't be available tonight right 'cause you'd have to intially they're out of the bullpen Sanchez would be on full rest if he pitches Wednesday night tomorrow night right Friday night yes that would be correct full rest situation so in left field which I guess based on what I read they were holding their breath over in terms of the bullpen everybody's available tonight for Houston for the nats series two walks as well in the series he's been impossible for the nets to get out that's a big benefit to them To Have Alvarez in there without having to play back Matt Adams to be in the lineup I expect to see the same things we've seen in games one and two basically Ray Knight who by the way is phenomenal radio guest in a really you know how how you you know he will hit in that same spot that he's been hitting which I think is like the six spot you know behind gir- yell so they go spring it'll probably be cheering us as the catcher the guy that's already got two home runs in the series Alvarez has been the guy man I mean how that that guy has empire auditor twitter account or familiar with this person yes so umpire auditor this twitter account basically audits umpires and basically we'll stay in the fight you know the resilience still you know you're down four one and yeah you're bringing tying runner to the plate but there are two close now clearly the calls that benefited the Astros lead to some big opportunities like Korea's two run homer eight and that there were nine missed calls five of which helped the Astros benefited that the Astros and four of which benefited the nationals. It's pretty anyway I can't wait for tonight cannot wait you know every pitch is going to be pressure packed it's an elimination game by the way this them back right in the event that Sherzer can't go in game seven and I would likely say most likely Sanchez so you would have corbin you'd have to lefties Gene Munster big in this series he is went three for three the other day had the two run homer that got him jump started four this series now he is seen as a in the starting lineup he pinch it in the in games three and four and went oh for one in each one of those games he's got to RBI's you know I would think that everybody's available but clearly the wildcard here assures her in tomorrow night Aaron if Scherzer's auditor much closer than I think most people thought in terms of the calls that helped each team but again the two in particular that really helped the Astros he was two or three in the opener against the Nats one-for-three and then three for three so he is six for nine he comes up with you know what they got right and what they got wrong you know I don't know if this person's taken seriously and after he should have been called out on Oh to pitch early in the in the fourth inning and then the robe lace at bat which everybody you know dialed in on that was clearly have their best pitcher pitching I love Max Scherzer he is a dominant pitcher he's a bad ass competitor Stephen Strasburg has been ball strike calls by Lance Barksdale the home plate umpire umpire auditor says that he had ninety three and a half percent correct call right out on the called strike rather than four to one anyway there you go I like the nets tonight to force game seven again I trust on Game Two against Roy Lander Turner Eaten Rendon Soto Kendrick Zimmerman Cabrera Suzuki Ramblas. What about you yeah I'm excited to say and I don't here and there the blue pit that falls in it won't be the five home run game that we've gotten really in this season make no mistake though tonight they Strasbourg more than I trust ver- lander and I think that's ultimately why I like the nets tonight I think it's the first pitching duel that we get I think it's a you know a Strasbourg. Seven innings no earned runs ten plus strikeouts three maybe four hits maybe the Korea Oh to pitch probably more than the other because that inning ends and they never get that second two run homer so it's a two one lead when you get to the robe lace you know punch their best regular season pitcher this year and he's been their best post-season pitcher since he first pitched in the postseason for the nationals he's been better as a routes in that spot and it's gums you know it's not Soto it's not Ren Don'- in that particular spot it's not Kendrick in a big spot so anyway I'm that was the deal from off pitcher than Max Scherzer and by the way has had at times in this post-season unhittable stuff going back to the three innings of relief but I trust Strasbourg to come out and pitch will I think I agree with you it'll it'll come down to you know what we think about when we think about the playoffs the little nothing kind of game I think tonight's the first under game Aaron It'd be the second one game three was under but I think we get an under tonight and a pitching duel they're not they do a good job or a bad job at everybody seems to be referencing umpire auditor here over the last couple of days will we all know that in game five there were some really really bad he pitched against the brewers in the wildcard game now what is important tonight for Strasbourg is he doesn't give up early runs like he did against the dodgers Balfour would have put two runners on four run four one game brought gums to the plate with two outs though now I know that the nats have done a lot of damage with two outs you're out too vague Brantley bregman grill and then I think it's Alvarez there's D. H. before we get Korea and by the way with them with ver- lander pitching tonight in news you simply use your computer anytime of the day any day of the week for any letter any package any class of male anywhere you want to send it it's a no brainer for get a lead tonight the pressure is on obviously the nets Houston's got a game to play with their up three to they've got tomorrow night stamps DOT COM is for small businesses a huge time saver and a big money saver anything you can do at the post office you can do can long they were right they and I think you know they've got a strong sense that it ends tonight I'm surprised that they're that big of a favourite they've been made that big of the shot and then didn't Hernandez home in the third or in the second and it was three nothing dodgers in that game five can't give those early runs tonight gotTa hang sincere is on the board or four Zeros to start on the board and didn't put pressure on his offense to be in chase mode you know you now stamps dot com handles it all with ease with stamps dot com you get five cents off every first class stamp and forty percents off priority mail it's easy to he's given up some early runs still pitched really well still only ended up with two earned runs I think in the dodgers game five who's three earned runs in that game right he gave up the Muncie home run the to run on stamps dot com they eliminate trips to the post office and save you money with discounts that you can't even get at the post office stamps dot com brings all of the services on whether or not he'll be available tomorrow and I would lean not now might have one inning in 'em tomorrow night in relief I don't know I mean now they don't want to face Sherzer but you know what when you've got a pinched nerve in your neck when you got next spasms and you gotta take a cortisone shot I think it's a coin flip walk but he's dominant and you know hopefully the nats can get one or two on the board and you're sitting there with doolittle and then Hudson to close it out in a tuna what would be helpful to for the nats is for trae Turner who was one for fourteen at home to get on base early in this game and to wreak havoc you know in for the Nazi stamps dot com don't spend a minute of your holiday season at the post office this year sign up for stamps dot com instead there's no risk in with my promo favorite against Strasbourg all right that's it we'll get some forget some football n- redskins talk here right after I tell you about stamps dot com code Kevin DC you get special offer that includes a four week trial plus free postage and a digital scale no long term commitments or contract scene but anyway I like the nets tonight to win the the thing that bothers me is the is the minus one eighty number Vegas was right about Houston all we in game five he settled down into the pitching very well or in game two of this series gave up to in the bottom of the first-inning it would be nice if he hung three of the US Postal Service right to your computer whether you're small office sending invoices and online sellers shipping up products or even a warehouse sending thousands of packages a day you're gonNA spend some time this morning on the NFL trade deadline and all of the stories that came out yesterday all the reports on redskins all businesses like the Kevin Sheehan show podcast it saves you time and money they're over seven hundred thousand small businesses already using in DC STAMPS DOT com. Never go to the post office again all right let's bring in Ben Standing from the Athletic Ben's been busy with the WCHS just go to stamps dot COM click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in Kevin DC that stamps dot com my Promo Code Kevin in here on trade deadline day just give me an update as you have it right now and as you see it right now on each of the players that we think are is trade deadline today in the NFL at four PM and working on a lot of stories on his own in following up on a lot of the other reports that have been out there it's mid morning that year I've even I've even been told that you know it's not even out of the realm of possibility that Bill Callahan n case keenum are back next year if the second half of the season and goes well they were really disappointed that they couldn't close the deal against Minnesota Can San Francisco and emboldened in their position that Miami's much better than people think as well and that was a solid win equality wind down there in south Florida and seems to be no acknowledgement that they barely beat the dolphins they just chalked that up as a big win and they probably after watching the first half of the game last night or the first quarter probably were and I would lean towards them not doing anything for a lot of different reasons than you and I may disagree on some of the reasons but the bottom line is from what I'm hearing is that they really do think that they're much better than their record indicates and they think that they've got a chance to get some second half momentum that would take them into next way I think you know with Bill Callahan talking yesterday I think we heard more about you know Dwayne Haskins in playing anytime soon of case keenum's healthy case obviously we don't expect them to make any moves towards adding somebody a significance but you know you never know how the marketplace APP for those guys specifically on Trent Williams actively making calls on I was told by an outside team they can't imagine anything significant for him citing among other factors sure I mean I would probably say broadly temporary expectations about anything significant happening out of Ashburn you know between Bruce Allin saying they're close it made sense to wait until a deadline to trade threat Trent Williams did this is this benefiting them in terms of the potential well and Trent Williams now on Trent Williams here's a very interesting conversation that I think we should have and that is whether or not offers that they may get or are getting or hurting them that he's waited until the eleventh hour to say hey you know what now we're actually interested in keenum their starter Dave philosophical approach he talked about yesterday on his call anonymous call on his press conference yesterday that they've started from the beginning of the I suspect they're gonNA keep a guy who's obviously one of their core players for several years and figure things out in the off season Josh Norman that's the one player I was told her there was some I heard the murmur yesterday about potential interest from outside the League I was told this morning and I just put it up on twitter that blacks on twitter we'll see any team leads that price with the second round pick seems to be where the market is at but I don't know anybody who's GonNa be willing to jump up Ryan Kerrigan like it makes sense performance this year that he can be a bit of a pain in the in the locker room and whatnot but either way Norman's struggles and lastly on Peterson I was told yesterday that maybe you'll move them unless you find the right part find the right price so four guys to consider a doubt again we see anything but you never know at least I was told as of yesterday morning was that it's not that the doors close that they're not listening to the asking price is first round pick where a player of note with a P. Weird this was going to be a a year four case keenum to be the starter he was elected team captain Yada Yada Yada they think they're much better than one trading I it's it's hard to say I you know I guess it's all relative to what were the offers back then us that that the threat is actually did receive an offer for Peterson but apparently at this point it was considered to be a very low once I don't think there's any movement there but that's another one even you know what go ahead have at it they think they're much better which is why they've been you know so steadfast in staunch in their position and they've had other reasons trades for Trent Williams now wasn't getting him at the beginning of the season for sixteen games they're only going to get this year for eight or nine depending on how many games left the teams things to be the consensus that there is a team after willing to do that if that's the case then I think it's interesting you make that call because at some point you just need to move on to clearly radim say about you know he's always talking about deadlines he expects Bruce to be the expects Trent to be in for training camp expects that the regular season in some cases perhaps asking for a lot but you know having a price and not wanting to go below that I don't know if I see the right soon as doing anything to go with that and the town's he'll heels are dug in this is what he wants this is the last supper from outside the building and so Ooh fun here in the next few hours yeah that was that's sort of where I was this morning on the radio show and I'll just say today on on the podcast my guess is this is a guy who you know basically says about a birthday you know I know that my birthday is Monday night and you owner or what what have you I don't think I I've sent I didn't think they had to rush and make a deal immediately it did seem to be that thought we're going to do it on Monday night even though it's less convenient to do it on Monday night like he's got this he's he really is like a not an out of the box innovative creative thinker that's not who bruce is and I think this waiting till the deadline has been on his mind as as a as a failsafe in adding to a debt free for the deadline is absolutely correct now you do have one thing that you do know on that isn't hard to know is that anybody the event that they didn't figure it out with Trent I do think they wanted to make them bleed I do think they wanted you know to make him a painful for him they're they're pissed off about the way this went down and I'm not saying that they aren't justified in however I don't believe that there haven't been decent offers already there is are all working and you're too busy and you want to celebrate it on Sunday night but that's not what we do we celebrate birthdays on the night of the birthday and so I'm not budging off that on the table now I don't know that the red skins actually heard them or were a open to receiving them But I think New England at the very beginning of training camp his I said would have been willing to part with I I think Houston more likely than not probably reached probably reached out to the redskins and we're told we're not trading Trent Williams but if those conversations had gone further that there would have been significant compensation may not Laremy Tunsil maybe not to ones in a second layers but you know certainly something in the neighborhood of what they now claim to be you know looking for and I think maybe even Cleveland I don't know much about the Cleveland Situation Ben and once we got past week one or two that waiting made a little sense I don't even personally think that waiting until the off season is the worst thing in the world probably I'm in the minority on that but thing in the world but the other variable is none of us no I don't think we all know what trump shape Trent Williams of incidentally at the start of season for all we know he wasn't able to play week one week two week three this was the NBA. I would definitely rank Eric and being on the move older guy when you're less than the zeal next year the reds tough spot but being the redskins I you know look deadlines do create deals this this is the motto of talk executives any of the pro sports visit Housing Dell so waiting to the deadline is not the worst one is a is a person who is stuck in his in his ways and he has this idea that you know deadlines make deals being bring Trenton Kirk cousins stuff we've got plenty of time I do expect by the time we get to the deadline we will have a deal you know this is a guy and I and I explained earlier this way absolutely consider it to be a win if they got you know say a second and a third or a second Nah conditional fourth that could be a third or could be aboard or whatever I absolutely that is what I thought the compensation would be going back to last January and thought that if somebody were desperate you could I know you at the time had the team offered a I I heard the opposite but you know we can split the difference if they were offered a first and they didn't take it whoa obviously it makes sense because considering his age and we're seeing that and with the guys coming back but if they really want to keep the AP next year he is under contract then you know a steep steep price to pay and so we've seen some of those deals but Trent Williams has some you nail it by the way on what but here's what I do know that the Cleveland situation probably it would have been better to deal with Cleveland two or three weeks ago then it would be now after there that's a misplaced I'm not sure I'm reading that that's what happened but regardless I don't think it's a big deal both I think the question is if factor the second on the board traits form has so there is you know the downside to that he the the other thing I do believe this to be true you know Bruce L. so you know it's hard to know I don't think there's lots of reasons to cross the right thing I don't really think especially with the straddling situations there's a lot that we don't know about it but I am with you I think we get to the end of this day and he's not traded that's what I think happens but but if they if if they got a second and a third our second fourth I consider that to be a pretty good deal for Trent Williams escalated to the degree I don't think waiting to this point is problematic again if they will generally offer a first and past and hours they don't they will take it and it's not Mohamed Sanu really like you know the package for Tunsil that was given up by by Houston to get Tunsil I mean that that's that's definitely get a one because before training camp somebody loses somebody a contender feels like they are an offensive lineman or left tackle away from you know a big season and now they're willing to trade him for a first woman that seems like it was you know silly posturing on their part and that that pride maybe played more of a factor that they really did believe that turn Williams would return the Josh Norman thing do you think there's one team out there that plays primarily zone somebody like Pittsburgh you know plays all zone versus an average season because of a key injury that you could rest a first rounder away from somebody and I think they may have been able to do it with Houston looking for a decent zone corner that would that would give up a conditional fifth something like that take a second there and move on Yeah Yeah I think I think what you just said about it being hard to know in terms of at least minor path for for thinking well we don't want to deal him right now because we hope he comes back I was thinking we still have a chance to do something by the way I I would eleven or twelve or maybe what we don't know Ben is the medical thing is still an issue or it's you know it's an issue that he's still recovering from for all we know and somebody getting with Trent Williams right now dude hasn't played this year he hasn't been to ot as trump minicamp training camp he may not be able to go until we with a a general manager of another team earlier this morning And you mentioned Josh Norman in and he was like I would be stunned threats anything of significance citing among the reasons his performance is here and also that you know he can be as I said if it of a bit of a chain and I don't know if you know Carrigan were available what do you think Carrigan would bring back he's not but let's just say they were interested moving Ryan Kerrigan yeah it's a good Trent you call hopefully come back and Blah Blah Blah Blah you know at least I give them that minor pat again that's seems like a massive misery of Williams's feelings but regardless I see no now they passed on an opportunity to get a lot more I'd be pissed but you see some of these deals happen like I mean a second rounder thought they were make the playoffs but I you know I think it's still fair okay well things won't be this bad will improve and obviously it never happened so you know to their points I if in fact they were like well we don't want to be point early in the season Jake Gruden was still here the idea of whether they they are right to believe they are close whatever the defining definitely never closes or not I they've fallen to two and five on the season so anyway that's on trail also gets from the to the Rights Dunbar's out the Redskins are using seventh-round picking Jimmy More Orleans it still felt like seems we're going after Josh Norman and yeah you factor in the price tag that year to take Jj Watt but they traded back and took Ryan Kerrigan But I think actually you know a second with a desperate team would be Brian Carrigan were made available you'd get no less than a third personally just seeing these deals that are getting done you're right Ryan Kerrigan isn't having an effective ear but people perceive Ryan Kerrigan to be a good pass rusher around the league and if you're not getting a pass rush and you think you have a chance to get a better one and compete for the plas look Houston just lost. Jj Watt Ryan Kerrigan's not Jj Watt even though they had an opportunity with their employees in no less than a third but they're not gonNA Trade Ryan Kerrigan this is you know Ryan Kerrigan's part of their immediate future which they think is at this is an enormous but here we are so yeah I don't know if they get can get anything of significance considering you know all the other variables involved it definitely talked about early in the season and I was not one of those people who thought there was three and thirteen when the season started so I I even when they were starting off you know two and three I still not I don't know is it conceivable you get a like the one hand I wanna say the conceivable pergram take or something but he only has two SAS this year and like you know yeah I haven't been able to get too deep on that one tenth of what the actual cost was basically anybody I was talking to just say well I can't imagine that they would would would trade him you know so you know bright you know we have to understand that that their perspective is much different than ours they actually do believe that they're on the verge of proving every the press conference about Colt McCoy which I'll get to in a moment but so bill Callahan who's annoying to me at this point Ben himself in the organization with him in charge as a much more professional organized hardworking Ernest Organization is is laughable to me but anyway guy senior impacting the game a ton worlds to this sort of a percent since I don't even know what the market would be for a guy who's on the wrong side of thirty who way to knock J. Every turn not the J. doesn't deserve it I didn't I didn't want J. The coach either but you know for this effort to to they're much better than their record says they are and carrying that late season twenty nineteen momentum into twenty twenty and by the way that leads me us which I want to have this conversation with you in that is the press conference yesterday which you got to a little bit late because I heard your your your your last question tried to make basically put Dwayne Haskins in case keenum into the same comparable you know bucket and and he is name at one in seven is just like those forty niners teams of the early nineties eighties and early nineties and the packers of ten years ago anyway I don't WanNa come back what's what what what are you what the tone you're setting for your organization are you just GonNa have this linger in or you're going to get it over and I think at that point is where I think it becomes interesting a lot but that said Ed Pass rusher always a commodity he's starkly obviously one of the better ones in the league so I would imagine the market I don't know if that gets into third or a good one steve young and Joe Montana you know Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve Y- case keenum's just like Joe Montana in Brett farve and by the way the tea not because I I I know that people say he's smart and he's a nice guy but he has gone out of his way in a very subtle passive aggressive he said the other day That you know that you gave us examples of Steve Young and Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve and this was the key answer yesterday in the press conference for me he was asked a question by Craig Hoffman which started with you know you this is what he said to to the Hoffman question quote I think that we started of course in the beginning of the year philosophically and we've held true to the course in terms of where we're at certainly deserving certainly are starting quarterback so we're not confusing the issue here case is our starter and if he's healthy and ready intially got to his question which is you know why is sitting Dwayne Haskins beneficial to him in the long run Play this Sunday he will be going forward I have a reaction to that what's yours first sacking Tom Brady topper any having another guy so I don't know maybe there's a third but I don I don't know if that's if that's realistic I think if I was just sort of stopped talking about him as a pro bowl level player but okay still a guy who's you know pretty good player and all that and we've watched this season sold and even in the Games work I quit you know at least for this year that teams can get out of the next year without much of a hassle but yeah it's it's surprising in terms of where we were at the beginning of the season I will I'll leave it to some of my brethren who liked to dive deeper into every single plan film review but like I just don't feel like I see him impacting forget even just two sacks I don't right now currently and we're going to maintain that I really believe at the beginning of the year case earned the starting quarterback position he was voted captain by his teammates and that is the J. really thought they've caught McCoy was the starting quarterback there was clearly a disconnect between assistant offensive head coach offense working day three but you know I don't know I can imagine the team talking themselves interesting Hayes depends to be the difference between you know getting line coach Bill Callahan and the head coach Jay Gruden because he went out of his way to basically say and again I think this is a subtle shot Ajay in his mouth apple like when you're experienced fate we all know this time he's more he needs you know cook a bit more i Don I think baseball we've seen him on the field in relief appearances by the way I mentioned yesterday on the show and Sunday when he was on that I mean I do think sometimes they really think we don't know anything like Oh yeah that's it deserving to be our starting quarterback we're J. The week leading up to the New England game said about Colt McCoy if he had lying disease answering the question and that is the case earned the starting quarterback position he was voted captain by his teammates certainly starter dwayne is the backup case if case doesn't play Dwayne was the starter then Colt we'd definitely be the back imp back by the way you hit on something that I was Gonna hit on and yeah exactly I mean his answer to your question on whether Colt McCoy's being considered for the starting quarterback job he said you know like I said going back a few weeks cases which isn't it just wild at this story for instance you know obviously you know we already knew going into this season he wasn't the elite cornerback that the redskins had hoped it added I think it's possible the answer is no I was talking that without trying to sound like a name dropper type guys like I was just talking trading messages with a that remains consistent so if they wanna wait even beyond the bye week I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it but you know at some point lots of got out there the idea that he thinks he's Eh wanted Colt healthy and this guy said Colt and by the way I'm I can't imagine sitting and watching both of them in thinking that I want to go with me the things one like I've not been one of those people saying that the what happens needs to play starting with training camp he looked like a guy who needed more time not saying he's a bus or anything like that's probably the case and to the point of the patients I mean you may be because you're about to get to this the like I was in the locker room and miss part of Callahan by came in sophy of basically projecting here but I think I know what their philosophy was in that is dwayne ZA project he's if he had won the job in training camp had been healthy said well get it was his job to lose that's for sure you know so yes the future and by the way he's not going to be ready to play this year because he basically came from a system that doesn't make him ready to his troubling because he is saying to you that we started this course in the beginning of the year with a philosophy the NFL he he's he's he's a project but we thought that case gave us the best chance to win we thought we were going to win this year we thought we were GONNA win my birthdays Monday night and I know no one can make it because everybody's busy and working and no but no I don't want to celebrate it on Sunday night we're going to do it Monday night we started this year with a philosophy that case gave us the best chance to win were one in seven now too bad that's our philosophy we're sticking with it coy for sixteen games I'm not thrilled thrilled to go with case keenum but I think case keenum would have been the way to go at the beginning of the year with all that said this long term project yeah we drafted him pretty high and there are a lot of people in the building that really thought that we drafted him too high but he's the long term keenum as the starter and will in one job is interesting on a few fronts one while I personally would have started case keenum over the other options based on what he's and so we're going to hold true to that philosophy even at one in seven what makes sense about that to me is bruce saying assorted in you know the mix to be traded Trent Williams Josh Norman you know Ryan Kerrigan may be Adrian Peterson and anybody else that I might be missing go ahead just is stuck in a box they are in in the way they think about everything then it drives me crazy no concern you guys have a plan like that makes no sense and that's and that's just sort of ties into how this constantly viewed over there like wait what plan to make any sense it's so insane it really is just beyond me how limited the thinking is out there and how life and I it sort of shows like there's some major disconnect here if the way in refined taste you want him to start fine faces a reasonable play find edits either just straight spin right now to to you know because can't keenum is the guy he would prefer or he you know shows that he really disagreed with Gruden from the but if he's not available you're saying the next jump as you skip Colt McCoy who's who the case keenum borderline carbon copy and you're gonNa go to Duane ask him we just said isn't ready over his career I don't think Jay Gruden that way Gruden thought Cole McCoy was the guy until pulp McCoy got her late in training camp so the idea that that counted friendly I mean like I again I'm just John it's on a one year deal I don't know if anybody wants to give you a seventh round pick for him he had a reasonable player if you're not going to keep him or eight and I asked him what he said before we camped is not going to be starting to matter what y and basically just gave answer with like you know whatever thinks that but like it's somehow it's as if they have an idea and that's the idea I mean like I said I I spoke to NFL exact this week sort of just about the redskins in general sort of play out over and over again and even just abroad this out the quarterbacks in terms of the deadline like my take is basically been looks you're one in seven even if you've seen rebound came out and talked about the offers that were being made and how he thought they were You know a fair offers you look at the marketplace it's like wait what you tied in with a quarterback quarterback just play their old friends or cousins you know relitigate that whole situation and I put them on Kirk trapping went down but that said if you're close right okay anybody who's an unrestricted free agent or you can already project won't be on my team next year get them to talk the three Fraser why wouldn't you try to do there's other guys on the team if you know even Chris Thompson I'm inside you know it just doesn't make sense it should be to me saying hey you know you and I talked about whether it's like the wizards didn't trae Trevor Rees in tempering the deadline was it was it was but watch what are you doing you're going nowhere about trying to see off and you know the the basic was you know from years of feeling verse Allen Once he digs in his heels they're in cement and that's IT and You know I think we are seeing that Dan this season matters still so that's the that's the larger point I just don't understand the logic and it just seems like whether it's stubbornness or or pride is is element that just kicks in that seems to prevent them it's not all bad health everything wrong some things that you know I think a reasonable spotlight the just that one mandic thanks to Erin back tomorrow to hopefully a preview a game seven of the world series go nats enjoy the day would become even more laughable and at that point by the way Ben they better Rehire Callahan case keenum if they win three or four games down the stretch which you traded Adrian Peterson for anything you trade Vernon Davis if there's any market for him I would trade brandon share I think he's asking for too much money and I don't think they're gonNA do but if they do it they should continue the the roofs and take it into next year why not wrong in their own mind in the second half of the season and they ended up winning a few games they may barely have a top ten pick just so many times that you know I it's it's why more likely than not this Trent Williams handling has been handled poorly and to your point feel better about their about themselves that they would rather the redskins win a game even if it meant losing in the dropping the in the sanding which at a certain point we're probably there consensually greedy for not accepting it is really where we are you have to view them through their history they've been so far off it reminding me not that I need to be reminded of it of their paltry offer to kirk cousins an offer that they felt was one of the biggest offers ever and they geno who and who's an unrestricted free agent next year maybe their most valuable player tress way I would trade him if somebody was interested there are so many bad teams this year record wise that you're gonna be you could potentially go three and thirteen or four and twelve and not have a top five point just pull up the list of free agents you guys here next year that you've got guys on your roster right now on a one seven roster

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Accountable Ep. 1: Election Protection

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Accountable Ep. 1: Election Protection

"Hey everybody i'm mary. Bruce and i'm rachel scott and this is accountable a special series from abc audio. Rachel i our correspondents. Abc news based here in washington. We cover either end of pennsylvania avenue. I spend my days at the white house reporting on the biden administration mister president we retaliate against russia for the plane ransomware attack closely and i get my steps in chasing lawmakers around capitol hill. Is there any reason why the capital old should have been left on january six. No right now. We've got this rare chance to catch our breath. There's no big election on the immediate horizon. Congress has left washington for the summer recess and after covering a president who really kept us on our toes with tweets that turn the news cycle on its head instant mary. I know you miss those midnight. I remember them all to. Let's just say things are in washington have changed somewhat. So here's why we wanted to do this series. We've got this incredible opportunity to talk about policy issues through the lens of americans whose lives and livelihoods depend on them. This is about sharing stories of real people facing real issues people who are stuck frustrated even desperate and really looking to washington and their elected leaders for help and speaking of elected leaders. That is where we want to start with the right to vote for most americans. It'll be several months before the polls are open again but right now debates are raging on the state and federal level about how we vote whether it's to easy to cheater too hard to cast a ballot and as you may have heard that question is really coming to a head in texas. I just wanted to realized that. I wake up every one. I have been doing this for four years with my freedom on the line. Crystal mason is forty six and lives just outside dallas fort worth. I live in rendon. My town is a raw town predominant white. She works at a car factory but above all else. Crystal will tell you. She's a mom and not just to her own kids a race. The total of seven my brother he he went away early real and i raised his four kids with mikey seven kids ranging in age from nineteen to twenty six pat household. They rode out the pandemic all at home together this past year and to pass the time crystal says they turned to scripture. We were learning to book of the bible. So i made them learn the new testament old testament. It was her faith in god and in herself that kept crystal centered back when she hit her lowest point a decade ago. She was running this business with her ex husband and she was charged with tax fraud. She ended up serving nearly three years in prison. While i was in prison. I had my mind frame that i was in school. I can do this time. But she saved focus and worked hard behind bars. She took classes. She was determined to land job and get back to supporting her family as soon as she got out. So my goal was. When i get in i got a plan. I had a vision board. I wrote things out. And i knew i was ready. Her plan worked. She was released from prison in july of two thousand sixteen and she got a job almost immediately. After at the texas department of transportation she was out of prison and to stay that way she had to follow the conditions of her release to a t. But really she. Wasn't that concerned. I haven't been around a gun. I haven't i don't do drugs i don't i. Don't i wouldn't around felons i would. I did everything that was on black and white so she gets out in july of two thousand sixteen and things are going well for crystal and then november rolls around donald trump. And hillary clinton pull out all the stops overnight so much of america waking up this morning feeling like they are glad that election day is finally here and then i turned around and it was time for me to vote. She showed up on election day at the polling place that she had been to before but this time her name wasn't actually on the voter list to get it so i was getting ready to go and the guy said you know you can fill out a provisional ballot so rachel. Let's remind folks what that is okay so a provisional ballot that is something that is used when there are questions about a voter's eligibility the vote only counts. If everything checks out so crystal is offered this provisional ballot. She says shir she just fills it out. I left that was that was it. But here's the thing that wasn't it. Six months went by dan. I get a call from my supervised. Release officer she said. Hey i need you to come in a lady say hi. Are you crystal nathan. I said i am. I should say ahead and put your hands behind your back. I said for what. I haven't did anything she said. You're being arrested for illegally voting. I was like what no no. No nobody told me that and just like that crystal was back on trial so this case was centered mostly on what was actually written on that provisional ballot. She filled out. And here's part of what it said. If a fallon. I have completed all my punishment including any term of incarceration parole supervision period of probation or been. Pardon she told the court that she didn't read the fine print and the poll worker. She says just handed her the balance suggested. She filling out our supervised release officer. Her supervisor testified on the stand. And say hey no. We never told her while they did discuss at length the terms of her release remember it came with conditions. The topic of voting actually never came up still after all. That crystal was convicted and she was sentenced to five more years in prison. Okay we'll hold on wait a second here five more years. Look i get it. She says she didn't read that fine print but she had served her time. So why exactly is filling out this ballot. So wrong yes. So here's the thing she was out on. What is called a supervised release and according to the prosecutors. In her case that means she was not allowed to vote. of course. I missed the holidays christmas new years my birthday my birthday. I spent ten months back behind bars before she was released on. Bond maher case moves through the appeals process of you had black home in black and white that i signed saying that i could not vote. Net right was stricken from me. Do you think. I would have voted. I'm not leaving my kids again. That was my whole mindframe. So there was no way that i would have did anything that jeopardizes me from taking me away from my kids. It's now been four years and crystal still does not know if she will have to go back to prison for filling out a provisional ballot in the twenty sixteen election that was never even counted the up. She goes back to prison for filling out this provisional ballot going through all of this and that vote didn't even count. Yeah the system actually worked here. It was checked and it wasn't counted and of course a lot has now happened since her conviction. We were getting ready to win this election and frankly we did win this election. Password to the twenty twenty election and all those accusations from former president donald trump and his supporters that the outcome of the election was somehow rigged which of course we know is not true but now texas crystals homestate is poised to put even more restrictions on voting. And that brings us back to that drama that you'll remember unfolded in the texas legislature senate. Bill seven is called voter suppression by democrats but election integrity by republicans. If people don't know don't have confidence. The elections are working to devote. You're going count. People are not going to participate. So republicans hold the majority there in the state and we're poised to pass a bill with sweeping new restrictions on voting. No more drive thru voting. No more twenty four hour voting new limits on absentee voting increased access for partisan poll-watchers and even harsher penalties for election officials. Who break the rules intentionally or by mistake in fact this bill seeks to make it a second degree felony for election official to give a voter a mail in ballot application if they haven't specifically requested one so to be clear right that means that offering someone in application would be a crime in the same class as manslaughter designed to suppress out of texas in particular texans of so democrats in texas are strongly against this bill but since they're in the minority. There's really not much. They can do to stop this from becoming law. And that's why they took that dramatic step of walking out of the house chamber just a few weeks ago one by one. The legislative session ended the much debate at texas voting. Bill was blocked there. Eighty six zero nays. The motion to skews fails for lack of forum. There needs to be at least two thirds of the one hundred fifty members present to hold a vote on legislation so they effectively shut it down by leaving. And we're not gonna stand for this continued attack on our democracy until we have a seat at the table and we can discuss an actual bipartisan piece of legislation. But that tactic it can only work for so long. Texas governor greg abbott set in twitter post after the walkout that he intends to call a special legislative session saying the bill quote still must pass so really democrats. Only option here is to try and make changes to the bill. They've introduced several amendments including a pretty broad one with a provision. That would make a big difference in crystals case it would change the law. So it's only illegal to cast a vote when you're ineligible if you do so knowingly if there's intent so the ball is now in the republicans court on this we've reached out to several state lawmakers who support voting laws in texas even more restrictive but they all declined our request but the head of their party texas. Gop chairman. alan west did agree to speak with me. And i started by asking just big picture. What would this legislation do. And why does he think it's really necessary. Well i think it is very necessary to protect the texas election. laws are integrity of our system. And make sure that there's fair and honest. I believe that we do need to have a photo. Id for voting. I mean who would not want to have that abdo present a photo. Id tomorrow when. I catch an airplane. Go down to the rio grande valley. We don't want to see These universal mail in ballots. Go out that unsolicited. We had an issue down in harris county. Which is the largest county in texas. Two point seven million unsolicited ballasts. They want to send out and we need to make sure you have signature verifications on that so we want to protect our systems. I'm trying to get a sense of what problems. You're trying to address because texas already has the strictest voting laws in the country and they are actually very few complaints about fraud in the last election while a big the the problem. Is this when you have a county clerk down at harris county. Who tried to send out those mail in ballots unsolicited. We know that we had issues. And travis county and also in dallas county where outlive with poll-watchers not being allowed it to fulfill their duties and we want to make sure that that is not the case. But again i think when you look at the attempt to nationalize elections on the federal government. We've got to make sure that we protect ourselves and sovereign states Who have the responsibility of the new rated duty to conduct elections down at our levels. That's what i think. S b seven is so important to but do you have any doubt overall about the legitimacy of the last elections in texas well. We did not see any unconstitutional actions that we had happened. We don't wanna see governors secretaries of state or judges changing election law. The only people supposed to change election law is the legislative branch but yet you saw that happened to several other states. We don't want to see what happened in pennsylvania where the said at one point eight million mail in ballots and they got two point five million back so. I think these are preventative measures. And especially again when you look at what is proposed in. hr one We wanna make sure that that does not happen down here in texas you mentioned pennsylvania but actually three million people requested absentee ballots. They're not one point. Eight million so actually. Five hundred thousand were also also had judges and you also have other non-legislative Entities changing the election law in pennsylvania as well is also an was lead michigan wisconsin and arizona. You're well aware of the criticism of this bill right that it amounts to voter suppression and there are lots of people. The only people that have ever been part of voter suppression in the united states. America's the democrat party. If you wanna talk about jim crow that was a democrat policy. If you wanna talk about literacy tests and poll taxes democrat policies. This is not suppress anyone from voting. And like i said. I will have to present a photo picture. Id to get on an airplane to go down to the rio grande valley. So what is wrong with showing a picture. Id to participate in the electoral process in the state of texas or anywhere across the united states of america but there are lots of people who submitted their votes last november in ways that are now going to be disallowed by this bill. Most of them people of color. Are you concerned that this law we'll make it harder for people to vote or will vote. It is making it easier for people to vote the harder for people to cheat. And i had several people. There are several people that were black here in dallas county. Who came up to me is the chairman of the republican party of texas and said you know i went to show up to vote and someone told me this one had already voted in my name so we have those type of things that we wanna make sure that is taken care of and again I don't see where we are preventing anyone from peon able to vote. No one has come down and complain about not being able to vote. I hear you saying you know you. You want to take these measures to prevent people from cheating. I'm trying to get it whereas the evidence that any of these measures were somehow leading cheating. You only twenty three complaints of fraud from the twenty two thousand eleven. It's out make that. Everything is hunky dory and fine with election systems all across united states. America you you're just telling yourself law. I guess i'm trying to dial down a little bit into some of these particular voting mechanisms right so in texas. You're banning i know but let's just a little bit further look you're trying to ban drive thru voting and twenty four hour on interrupted curbside voting. I mean what are we gonna have polling locations at denny's and waffle house. You know the type of fraud that opens you up to. That's my question. what is it about. These particular mechanisms that you think makes them particularly susceptible to fraud versus other ways of voting. Because i just tend to believe that in the middle of the night and two o'clock in the morning i mean they're they're nefarious. Bad things can happen. I'm sixty years of age. I have never seen us worry about. Twenty four hour voting in my entire life and so wives and all of a sudden we need to have twenty four hour road. Now if you really wanna rectified. Then make election day in the united states of america on national holiday. And so that people don't have to go to work and that provides them plenty of time and access we have plenty of time. Don early voting If you want to have a legitimate absentee ballot like we did when i was in the military. That's fine. we have all the measures in place. So all of this about twenty four hour voting. This is not about restricting voter suppression. This is about opening up potential for issues in our voting process potential for issues. Yeah not that. You've actually seen that. These restrict we will have twenty four hour voting so now but you're talking about the potential for thanks to have but i guess i guess you you're you're fine with us not having fair and honest and integrity in our elections here my opinion. I mean we're asking questions. And and so what i don't like when people ask questions of me and i answer responsibly. But i'm asking you. Do you believe that we should not have picture. Id for our voted. sorry again. it's not about me and my opinion. I'm trying to understand what's your opinion. I want to understand. What do you believe in. What do you think is right that our listeners understand. What's in this legislation. And why you feel it so important for came on a per tag. We wanna protect the integrity of elections in the united states. Merica and internationally right here in texas so help us understand where we go from here right. We saw the walkout. That happened just a few weeks ago. Image republicans have said you. There are some who want to make some tweaks to this bill or make some changes What is the path forward. look like. Well i'm not down there in texas state legislature but the path forward should be that we pass espy seven. And do you think that's going to happen will happen. Yes in a special session. That's coming up a fortunately it has to be in a special session. It should have been done during the regular session. It was the number one priority for the republican party texas. It was the governor's priority. It should have been completed and down by mid-march and what's your message to voters. Who may see some of the criticism of this and be concerned about the impact of this law by message to voters is that. Don't you want to make sure that you have secure awesome and fair elections especially in a state that has a border with a foreign country. We wanna make sure that everyone's vote is counted and it is a legal vote from a legal sense mr champion. Thank you very much. We appreciate your time. God bless so that interview. Got a little heated. Clearly he feels passionately about this and thinks there's a high likelihood there has been voter fraud even if that's not been proven right. There's no evidence that somehow voting at two. Am outside of waffle house leads to fraud or the undocumented immigrants are rushing devoted legally but i think my big takeaway here is that west admits he wants. This law passed to prevent the potential for fraud. That could occur but rachel. There's a bigger political play happening here. We must stop the steel and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again can never be allowed to happen again. Remember former president. Trump is still pushing this lie that he lost because the election was riddled with fraud and these republican states are now following his lead. By enacting these stricter laws right. So let's zoom out just a little bit here. Pursue this assault from restrictive laws threats intimidation voter purges and more across the country. Now we've seen fifteen. Republican led states recently passed more than twenty bills that restrict voting access democrats are pushing back on the state and federal level. And in fact next week we expect senate majority leader chuck schumer to bring. Hr one to the floor for a vote. As one would nullify many of these voter suppression laws and protect the rights of american voters whether they cast their ballots for democrats or republicans. Now this is the bill. Chairman west talked about its formal name is for the people act and would create a national standard for voting access. Things like automatic voter registration and at least two weeks of early voting would be mandated everywhere. Now this bill has already passed the house but it's not clear. Democrats have the votes to get it across the finish line in the senate now. We'll is it possible. We might change a few things here and there. We're gonna do it where we've had discussions with senator mansion and they're continuing so as you noted mary if hr one does not make it to president. Biden's desk democrats are worried. Voting restrictions on the state level like the ones in texas could mean that some people. Just don't feel comfortable voting at all get educated in your state and no you're using don't in regards to voting your rights to vote but even after everything that she's been through crystal mason sees these voting laws as the exact reason why people should vote. I don't want nobody to be in a situation. I was in. It's not fair. it's not fair at all. Do not let my story discourage you from napoles but encourage you to go to the polls because you know why. The prosecuted the histamine. He was an elected official. The judge elected fish official the. Da elected fisher. You get what. I'm saying so there. You have it. Our first episode of accountable. We'll be back next saturday with a look at police reform than a year after george floyd murder in minneapolis. Two city councillors are pushing for change. But they don't see eye to eye on how to make it happen this council is going to dismantle this police department strongly believe that reform and transformation of our public safety models take money. That's next week on accountable. A big thank star producers shannon crawford cheyenne has lit sarah off sqi lauren. Landry kelly tarez edina robinson suzy. Lou and madeleine would our executive producer. Is liz alexi. A big shout out to jordan phelps. Worse quinn scanlon eric. Malo brad milkey david rhind and stationed dishes skew. I'm mary bruce. And i'm rachel scott. See you next time.

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The Day Mariah Carey Spread Joy

"This is the thanksgiving Rendon rendition is that what it's called. I would say the thanksgiving edition edition. Not rendition addition audition. Ed bouchette addition with the e edition thanksgiving digital Durant. Morning. The things giving. Phone tomorrow. Thanksgiving vacation. Yeah. Why wait till? Right now. Look, we have a big feast on the way to our studios are brought my Tupperware, and you're not alone. Right. Didn't I'm running it from Scotty. He's renting. Royal renting it, but he had like a pile, and I'm like mine cassette can use brings from Tupperware. I've got I've got extra stretchy pants as well. Guys, always Tupperware up. There's a big feast here I never do. So you gotta let me get first in line. Brody get over. Bring tupperware. No from Scotty beep. Yeah. He's rented Tupperware rental service. Good morning froggy. How are you? Good morning. I just have on underwear. No tupperware. Put your Turkey leg there. Well, no, you don't know. We've tried that before remember. Welcome to the day. Thanksgiving eve the biggest party day and night of the year is Wednesday November twenty four at about now. Oh, my phone. So brother, check it out. Now, folks. Oh, brother. Start thinking a song like this. What's going to happen? So listens to it. Like fifty years from now are they gonna think it's the dumbest song? We think this song is stupid. The surfin bird at one time was the number one song across the land. Sounds stupid. We're going to be eating the bird tomorrow. Seriously at one time they took this seriously. It's up to write the bird. Gets free intent. Everybody's here. Can you see this guy in the studio singing this into? Idea for a song. It's everybody's heard about the bird. What do you think? Well, it's my band. We're going to do it. There you go. The today. It is like I said Wednesday November twenty first is thanksgiving eve, you'll thanksgiving is coming a little early this year. Is it not a week early? It is felt like we just had. We have summer we did in Halloween and now that we've had Halloween already. So. Going around the room and beautiful south Florida where it's a lot warmer than it is here. Don't even get me started from what's on your mind today. So yesterday textra my mother, she says do you remember those deviled eggs that you made last year? They were so good. He wanna make them again this year. Do you just want me to pick some up at the deli? Oh. So what does that mean? That means mom wants me to make the devil. She wants to go pick them up at the deli. I dare you to tell her to go ahead and do that tribe that and that did not go over. Well. So she said foggy make your eggs, she the ingredients to make them will be here when you get here. I said, okay. Thanks, deviled eggs. It's a little bit egging allow devil. All you need. All right. So it looks like you're gonna have deviled eggs what I'll be making tonight. To eat some of your world famous devil those. Hey, Daniel, what's up with you? Today's the day guys. You know every year. My husband does the great pie giveaway with all of his past clients because he's a real Turney gives them apple pie. Bring some Chris and blueberry pies well Maria from Maria bakery. In saddle Saddlebrook. All. Famous rainbow cookies her famous own my let me just can undescribed what's going on here. She just brought a tower of of pastries. And I mean, it's like six boxes filled stashing. Oh, something ridiculous. It's ridiculous for long. Thank you to Berea, Begley and Saddlebrook. She loves us. She listens. And thank you to my husband forgiving, those wonderful pies to his to his client. There's so much food. We really have to warn Gandhi. But what's going to happen today Gandhi? I don't think you've ever seen anything like what you're gonna say. Well, we do the several times a year. It's a total parade of food. Just started a leading off the parade. Marie talion pastries. I'm a little salty that I didn't dress for the occasion because everyone else wore elastic pants. Yeah. Stretchy pass today. What's going on in your head today? Other than the thought you're about to be very full. Right. Well, there's that. No. I just wanna shout out the internet and Instagram DM's in general because yesterday we talked about whether or not it was weird that I am shower sitter in the shower instead of stand and everyone's like this strange. I have never in my life been flooded with more people saying, no, I do that too than this. Apparently, it's like a club. And I'm part of it and very excited to shower sitting homeys, I love you guys for the record in case. You're just barely listening. It's sitting shower, can you say shower sitting ten times, really, no don't. Sits in the shower shower. Million people listening, and so you know, if you say is interim anyone up there that there's going to be a good sensors people doing the, blah, blah, blah that actually scares me just a little bit. Anyway, our first caller of the day. Hey, Sharon, are you a shower sitter? Thank you. Hey, so Sharon, it is the eve of thanksgiving. I don't know if you're a food parades stars today like ours. It's going be fattening morning. Started last night Elvis good. How did it start? What it means? Sharon, which would you start on? I started my run started my mushroom Berber. But my. Seven and it's been going ever said. Nothing off. Good for you. Okay. I I'm going ask that question. Some people get very uncomfortable. When you ask it, but I'm gonna ask it. Anyway. What do you think for this year? Thankful for your guy Elvis. Sixty five miles every single day nine and a half years. To earn. My I heart radio satellite radio in my core. I've been here Pennsylvania jersey about nine fourteen years ago. And once I found you I never let again. Yeah. I lost you when I first moved here. But I knew guys you guys. Thank you, Sharon. Yeah. Radio family. Thankful for Sharon rank. I'm going to have a rainbow cookie on your on. Whatever you want here. And I work in truck it, and I know what people do when they want to get around it. But know that truck might have your Christmas hot ticket item in it because to be respectful and be safe be nice to everyone on the road, including our which trucker triggers, we wouldn't get Amazon boxes every. Everything we've cut alive. On a truck. Your clothing. We've been on trucks to we were all truck loving Americans. Hey, look in a couple of things I gotta get to you. Sharon, let's get to work here. First of all since you Elvis Duran shirt. It's all yours. Okay. Can you run it? And in the spirit of Christmas. I'm gonna pass afford. Okay. What you just ruined. Now, you're giving it to someone. Here. I gotta give you something else. Okay. Our friend Stephen singer at I hate Steven Singer jewelers and Philly. He has the new Stephen singer Hulo lady pin, we're selling these firmly ten dollars at his website. And of course, all the proceeds go to American Association for cancer research benefiting supporting lifesaver cancer research. We love you. Enjoy your pin in. Thank you for everything. Okay. Sharon cancer survivor, so in earner forever. Look at that. What you have just checked off all the boxes today. Thanksgiving to you. Everyone's family travel such an angel. Hold on. Here's the thing. If you want a hollow lady pin, just like Sharon, just got simply go to hate, Stephen singer dot com. They're only ten dollars. And you know, what I'm saying f cancer and thank you. Sharon. Wow. She's full of life a love that. And she's a cancer survivor. That's why she's full of life. Maybe. Producer Sam horse cups with let's set off thanksgiving together. Thank gosh. Because my mouthful. I didn't take a vitamin pastry. Now, you screwed it up. Celebrity birthdays Kadiri Jetsons. Thirty three today Carly she's thirty three fifteen. Okay, Kappa corn, you may feel as if you're being pulled in different directions. Follow your instincts and everything will work out in the end. No worries. Keffer corn your days in eight Aquarius. Don't let minor setbacks bring you down keep your goals in mind and success will follow your days. Eight Pisces instead of stressing out about your romantic life. Take step back focus on you. You meet someone when you least expect it Pisces. Days a nine Aries use your energy to your advantage people around you will start to notice and they'll follow your lead your days ten. Hey tars. Don't let the people around you change who you are. You being uterus. Have confidence in yourself your days seven, and I take a step away from the craziness and enjoy some alone time with that this weekend, you'll feel refreshed and have a better outlook on life your days nine cancer, the desire for something different. Could cause you to pursue some new adventures. That's cool. Go do it. Remember change is a good thing. Cancer your days at nine Leo. An unexpected trip is in your near future live with the uncertainty and let fate control your new path your days in the airport and wait getting from this until the Schumi onto an airplane. Take care of Virgo someone from your past may have come back into your life. If you feel if you need closure with him don't be afraid to ask for it. Your days seven Virgo. Okay, libra if you're not satisfied with where you are in life. Take a step back and reevaluate. Valuate make your goals your top priority. Your days seven Scorpio, you're known as your shoulder to cry on. Right. Look out for them. But remember take care of yourself as well Scorpio your days nine and Sagittarius things seem to be going well with your significant other don't forget to tell them that they're appreciated your day is nine and those are your Wednesday morning horoscope. Thank you. Sam was get into your headlines with Gandhi Gandhi. What's going on? All right over eight hundred people are still missing from the California wildfires and the death toll is now up to eighty four. Authorities actually fear that some of the missing may never be found due to the intensity of the fire, but crews are still working to recover as much as possible. And we can't say it enough redcross dot org. If you want to help again redcross dot org, or he wants to help President Trump issued a statement yesterday saying that the US will remain steadfast ally of Saudi Arabia, despite the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal kashogi. Well, Trump admits that the crown prince of Saudi Arabia could very well have had knowledge of the tragic event. He. Believes that the alliance is too important to damage, and if you miss this yesterday, the CDC issued a warning not to eat Romain lettuce after more than thirty people in eleven states became ill from dangerous strain of E coli what a whole thing of it yesterday. Nope. Don't eat it. It's strain next. Yeah. And if you lettuce at Publix, which I know you didn't. But if you did you can take your lettuce back to public. We'll give you a full refund because they've pulled it from all their shelves. I did that last night. Oh, good for you. Don't eat the lettuce. This is like perfect. Romaine lettuce. Yes. A rule is still good. I traded it out for some rule. It was great. You traded. I think has has more nutrients. What's that? And it's just better on pizza. Okay. Key witness for the prosecution and the L shop drug trial claims that he paid multimillion dollar bribes to an aid of Mexican president elect in two thousand five as well as many other government officials lawyers for El Chapo are trying to prove that he's just the fall guy for the real seen alot cartel, boss. Who's actually still on the run if you notice yesterday that you're tumbler app is no longer working? That's because it was pulled from the apple app store after the company found child porn on the service. Tumbler says that it is working to prevent illegal content and hasn't discovered exactly where it came from. But until they do that app is gone. And this story is fascinating. We've all seen some questionable things on social media that made you get in a fight with your significant other right? A group of seven best friends. We're all dumped at the exact same time by their wives and girlfriends after video got out of them partying with women in bikinis on their guys trip now all single. They're always watching you guys ready for your thanksgiving. In the morning show, as you know, we're all obsessed with Tate big shop cookies. But now we're more obsessed with their tiny cookies, it's tiny tastes from Tate's Bake Shop a single serve bag of Tate thin crispy chocolate chip cookies the perfect snack. Visit Tate's Bake Shop dot com, promo code Elvis for twenty percent off. Here's a bad idea on the text messages. You guys should have the men of the morning show calendar that is the greatest idea that were heard. We have to have men first of all. Worse. They do this since it's almost the beginning of the year. Why don't you start in two thousand nineteen? And then if you work out all year, we put out in two thousand twenty. Oh, I was thinking exactly opposite. I think you do today after all the food. Scary. Fifteenth. I'll pose with my shirt off. But it's got to be. Scary scary post today, his his belly would reach for may all the way to June. Helping with Marie as bakery. It's so good. Can you imagine the men of the morning show calendar that the worst idea? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it's a great idea support this that would go out and and personally trying to get people to buy it. I would to that sand on the street corner hawk them. You know, you don't do well with rejection. Hey. Once you have another pastry Marie bakery. Not going to be ready for the calendar. Oh my God. He's bulking just to cut. Hey, great tea which month. Would you want to be in the men of the morning show calendar? Oh, you know, what I said, I looked best in July. That's my month. When I start ramping up like, you know, I don't know if we're gonna take the photo until. The way it's ugly. Really good. I think you'd look into Semper the only calendar that scary ship for his Marie calendar's. That's a good one. This is the room. Straight. Nate is not here today, which is bad news. We'll have an empty seat at the at the table today. Do you know what today is? Oh, yeah. Oh, today's uncomfortable dinner party day. Didn't come in today to know. We'll talk about him. If you're not here. We talk about you to be honest. You guys are way too happy about this. And I've never encountered it. So I know something terrible Gandhi. The uncomfortable dinner party dinner party is just that uncomfortable. I mean, it's like you take the gloves off and you go for it favorite time of the year. Yeah. It's going to get really really testy mentally prepare for this. There's nothing you can do like real thanksgiving cocktails before we start. Okay. The field. Good. Let's go ahead and try to redeem ourselves Samantha's feel-good before we become very inappropriate who you who you showing love to today. All right. So today's submission comes from anonymous who wanted me to tell you about a man from her hometown in Houston, Texas, Aubrey fought? No, so aubrey's eight year old son was being bullied, but the school wasn't doing much to help. Aubrey wasn't just. Upset about the bullying. He wanted to know where it came from this kid's names to Marian. And he wanted to know what was bothering him in the first place. So with his parents permission Aubrey took Mariam out for a chat. It's out to Marian was being bullied himself. His family doesn't have much money. And he was being teased for regularly wearing the same clothes, so hopper. Took his son's bully out for a shopping trip. He knew that bullying a complicated issue. And just wanted to treats Marian with respect while he got to the bottom of it all and now to Marian and his son are actually friends. This was a beautiful story and such an unusual. Resolve and the reason anonymous submitted this is because she's twenty eight years old and still experiencing cyberbullying billings, a huge deal, and as a lot of people. Unfortunately, no, it's not something you can just grow out. No, thankfully, the creators of our favorite game privacy understand what a huge issue, bullying and cyberbullying is and have volunteered to donate one thousand dollars to stop out, bullying, which is an organization schools and provides information on various types of bullying are how to prevent it and how to respond to it. So thank you so much to our friends at USA -opoly because laughter is healing to get privacy. Now, you're supporting anti-bullying when privacy in your also being extremely Reverend. That was all evil do such the game privacy, of course. Available at target and thanks to them. And of course, SAM's field goods, we're gonna stomp out bullying a thousand dollar donation to the stomp bully, stop bullying dot gov. Yeah. That's the website. Not stop stop bullying dot gov. Because if you stop it that's kind of bully. Also, stop bullying dot gov. And thank you again to our friends at privacy the game. Make sure you pick one up this weekend. When you retarget. Thank you Sam you. What are we doing carrying? All right. We'll take a break. In the morning show. We shoe and your family happy thanksgiving. Right, right. I got to do a commercial for. Oh, lifelock. Yeah. Okay. So I got it weekend, especially I'm not waiting to this weekend. I got four lifelock notices notifications yesterday any of them you. Yeah. They they were you don't lifelock is your credit score changing or so in to buying things under your name that you knowing it's just good to know all these things in the cool thing about the notification from lifelock is you just reading curriculum. Oh, I know what that is. And you move on. Right. It's it's not like a long involved thing. It's so quick. And so easy. 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All right. So. We do have the uncomfortable dinner party coming up in about an hour and very excited about this. Right. Not sure if I should be. What you are. If it wasn't enough to get Maria Baker marina's bakery up here. The best pastries of the day. We also have Doug wells coming in to bring a bunch of food from car mines. And where else in Virgils? So much food. Cleaning up. My dead is too much. With paper more room played don't Tupperware. I ready to go. All right. So we have the Daniel report Daniel, Adam LeVine, where did he work before his first record deal fell through? Okay. Mariah carey. We're gonna talk to her about an hour and fifteen minutes. That's always fun. Yeah. We love her never know. What's gonna happen with Mariah? Carey here. What time should we have the cocktails flowing? I think I need one. Now lot we start. Why not? All right. All right. Is that what you're going to get us drinks? Yeah. That's probably a good idea. Get into the Daniel report you ready to go. You're ready. You're sifting through your papers ready. I just wanted to television for this weekend. All right. What do you have Adam LeVine worked at a Johnny rockets after his first record deal fell through hell, then he got a job as a production assistant on a TV show. And then he got another record deal. And here we all with maroon five pretty cool because you know, all celebrities had to do something before they record deals. Did you do for your record deal that I worked everywhere worked at McDonalds at work to consumers Gandhi? What did you do before radio? I worked all over the place. I worked at ruby Tuesday. I worked at a retail store and the Pembroke pines mall called the body shop I worked hearts. Yeah. I worked all over the place. Even dressed up as characters. Remember did children's birthday parties? I worked at Baskin Robbins grocery store in blockbuster video, and it was still around BUSTER. Wow. You know, there's still is one blockbuster video somewheres can Alaska. Yeah. Well, back to you. Daniel Jason Derulo will be joining the live action at nation of cats. He will portray run rum, Tom Tucker. He's a cat whose rebellious never satisfied Taylor swift is in the cast and Hudson's in the cash, James corden and the cast. Let's hope it's better than the Broadway show. Say a cat is this one show? I just don't get. I never will get even at the Android Weber to explain it. He doesn't get it this show. He hasn't get cats. That's crazy. According to new survey back to the future Toy Story in Indiana Jones of the franchises. Most people want to see continue on the new trailer for the LEGO movie to comes out February twenty nineteen it looked so funny. I'd review so the original LEGO movie, but it's it's not just for kids. It's for all ages a lot of the jokes in that movie. Go over kids heads, and my kids will like my why are you laughing? I'm like, oh, you don't get it. When you're older, exactly. I tweeted out the trailer for you at rate at Daniel minero on Twitter, so go check that out when you get a chance Hollywood game night is going down tonight. You also have the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade tomorrow. Of course, it is thanksgiving weekend. So we have a lot of football going on and Elvis just for you on ABC tomorrow night. Mary Poppins returns behind the magic. I'm so excited about Mary. There's a lot of really cool things a soul train awards, Iran. Lot of things mid season finale of the Walking Dead, I'm excited. I'm gonna see wreck it Ralph today in your theaters. So join me, let's go back and Ralph, and that's it. I can't believe I just said on the radio grown man, just said, I can't wait. I'm so excited about Mary Poppins. Thrill to thrilled for it. I love these things the remakes that they do with yet rate, and I love Emily blunt to two good what I'm excited as well. I can't wait to see Mary Poppins. I love all of those Disney movies. I love those feel good movies where you take the family, and you joy it. I always just go. See this. You know blow him up shoot 'em up action packed blockbuster and get that at work. Yeah. I love it. I really do. ABC Thursday night. That's exciting. Love it. Well, no, no. That's Mary Poppins behind the Mitchell behind. Charlie Brown's on tonight, isn't pumpkin. I think that's on tonight. I love Halloween, pumpkin. Excuse me. Charlie brown. Thanksgiving is on. All right. Look, I watched something last night. I just wanna go home. Right here. I watched something last night that really just kind of made me very emotional it dogs on net. Flicks. Please tell me about it. If you love dogs do if you love love, I if you love net flicks. I do it for you dogs on that flicks. I just watched the first two episodes, and I cried like a baby did you cry because it sad because it's hot it's touching. That's touching and the pacing of the show is very deliberate. Meaning they take their time to get to the story. And it really is about human beings and connection with dogs. And how dogs are just the most important thing on the planet earth. Really? Are it really is just unbelievable? I know that you Gregory love to cry. I do I don't mind that I will let my sensitive side shine. He's not a big fan of animals SIS that. It's not true. I think you know, what this is another reason you should watch dogs. It really is. It is. So so so connecting between humans and dogs. Maybe it will make you finally get your kids adult. I just want to explain I love animals don't have to explain I like dogs. The reason why we don't have a dog. You don't you? Don't. All right. You don't do everything? I go to Netflix and watchdogs didn't tell you a dog. I'm going to watch Netflix. Daniel you stop telling him to get. I'm just going to send one over to your house. My sister told me to get my niece this fake dog for Christmas. And it does everything. I mean, they'll look sober. She couldn't she writes. 'cause you know, she's never getting a real one. If she will not have dogs are a lot of work. They all think that's too much work for Elvis having a dog. Does it make you uncomfortable? When people say I hate dogs. No, no. I get it. You get it. I mean, I have a boyfriend and some people hate boys, also crazy. Man haters out there. I have when I love dogs. It's it's like different stories. They all kind of wine, right? Yeah. No, no, just to watch. Okay. I'll tell you anymore. Daniel I'm not gonna ruin it for you. A dog. Oh, you ruined. It. Hey career, Andrew Andrew's of an attorney onto it. I sent everyone minds to answer. Celebrating a nut free November. Okay. I'm sorry. No, I'm not gonna say celebrate move ember a modem. So many things going on this month. I forget forget which one you're doing. I'm doing all of. Sex of me because I'm growing. You're the one who said, okay Elvis, you gotta see dogs on that flex. And then you said one. Yeah. I mean, it you need a full box of tissues when you watch. It is so emotionally ruins you. Good for him fills me emotionally ruins fills. You up. Joy could do both. Else? I keep telling you, Dr K's exotic animal R on National Geographic talk about she takes care of exotic animals, like all kinds of things you would kangaroos come in. I mean, the craziest animals come in some of them too. Unfortunately, don't make it and handle some of them do and I learned so much about taking care of these exotic animals and how much these people love their pet skunk. And there it just I cry every episode either from happiness from sadness. It's so good. We have such a connection to animals be exotic or schnauzers. What's scary? Do I have no soul because I wanted the answers. No wanna watch Netflix to cry ever. I go to TV or Netflix of watching stuff to escape this escapism feeling. I think this is Cape. Yep. Escape into a world of crying and sorrow no-one said the word sorrow just crying. I say the words are. It's touching. It's like when you watch this as you're going to cry. It's a very well done show. It makes you feel good. And that's we say about dogs. It's the very similar feeling in Scituate. Be for your scary define on all of us who are fans of dogs. We don't want you to watch our show our cry. I was ugly crying. Same key needed cried injury. Oh, yeah. The the first episode when they don't give it away to God. Yeah. Ugly cry. It was I was like. Telling myself, stop stop. I was reading a book once and my husband walked in. And I was hysterically crying. He goes what the hell? Are you kidding me? Diana. How are you? Oh, my did you ugly cry watching dogs on Netflix? I like my when they're going to do with dogs. And so it is kind of a slow deliberate moving, but they tell the stories really well, right? They do it really, pretending and home. I started a rescue almost five years ago now, and it's been really hard. But also great. So there's a lot of motion with you go. But sometimes we need we need an ugly cry for something other than sad things. You know, I think it's good. It's good to touch those emotions. I do it. So rarely that when it happens it stings so badly like my entire face swells up. My sister says she thinks it's my body. Getting ready and poisoned for like years. Something tells me agree or disagree with me Ghandi before it's all over it with you're going to have several ugly cries in this room. We apologize ahead of time. Thank you, Diana. Congratulations on having the the heart into a dog rescue. That's a lotta work. But then thank you Andrew for dog. I just wanna win Andrew turned you onto dogs. The other day day. Really? Well, if I pulled back my text message to you on October, the twenty ninth at seven oh nine PM. I said, hey Elvis. Here's your new series to binge. It's on Netflix, and it's called dogs. Okay. Let me ask you questions over the twenty nine. Why would I take advice from you? You don't even like dogs. You never seen this show because you took that list from somewhere else. Because I like to read one of the gym instead of running on the treadmill wants the movie, I read I read this. I really just want to talk about this great series. I didn't know we're going to start a new series called passive aggressive. Get out of here. You actually you did give me a lot of shows to binge. Read your text. I don't make sense now. Beatles commercials on TV that make people cry. I mean, Claire, for instance, when you're watching show, you love on TV, you're almost afraid to get to commercials because you're one of those who cries all commercials right touching one's anyway. Yes. But I'm also eight months pregnant, so emotions are all over the place right now. Yeah. Forget it maybe deal. Maybe maybe I'm pregnant. Eighty eight maybe maybe eighteen months pregnant. Commercial right now, which Macy's commercial makes you cry because I think which one you're talking about where the woman buying perfume. And the man can like smell her coming buying him. And then you find out that he wined and he can snow her because he's wine in he goes and buys her more perfume for the holiday. I know see I get. Claire they designed to make you cry. Gotcha. I love it. I am. I'm me. We are to thanks Claire. Thanks happy. Baby. On the way. Thank you. Thank heaven is day. But don't be afraid of crying scary. It's okay. Jessica just you agree with scary. You don't want to watch anything that makes you emotional. Heck, no, no. No. No. No, no. I am not that person. I cannot let's put this white for like the Saint Jude's commercial and the ASPCA I literally have to get up and walk away because I can't even handle those commercials. Forget Tarum about I can't handle her. Crowing comes from different reasons. There's the sad cry. There's the touching cry. But they the only thing they have in common is. Emotional. Yeah cry. It's an emotional string. They go by and you crying. I can't handle it. I get yelled at by my friends because I refuse to watch this as us. I'm not I people look at me shock when I'm like, I don't like the movie Titanic or the notebook or I have one movie that I watched when I need a good cry. And I've been watching the same movie since I was like, oh, which one okay, you're you're gonna make fun of me. It is the Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio. If I know I need a cry. That's what I want. All right, cool. It's okay. Jessica look, not everyone has to touch that emotional string or plug. It. So just to motion as it is. I don't I lost my mom from cancer a couple years ago. My father passed away a single mom to girl's life is hard enough already. If I wanna if I can have our to myself at night, I wanna watch something. That's funny. I wanna watch something uplifting. I don't wanna watch people who are basically living my life on TV and having breakdowns because of it. Okay. Jessica, you're not alone or others. Like you. You're good. You don't have to you. Don't want thing. A good thing about Netflix say have something for everyone. All right Netflix. Thanks to thanksgiving. I mean, heaven very sad crybaby thanksgiving. Every year. This is going to be my first thanksgiving that I am determined to not cry good. Good girls. Stay stay with the wine. Then. No, no, no, no. Thanks giving to take you. Let me go. We we've been talking about dogs on Netflix for a long time. Ginny just watch the watch the first five minutes of dog. I did I just turned it on to read like the Tanakh of it. And so I hit play. And I'm like, oh my God. Away. But boy it just sucked me, right? Just wait till you watch the rest of the episode. Well, thank you, Jenny happy thanksgiving. Thank you guys to what's this week. It's going to be. L? Marley and me once thanksgiving with my dad and my sister, and I was so irate that they chose that movie. Great movie, but I was not in the mood. Did you ever see old yeller don't, hey, by the way, mar? Hey, by the way, are we rushing ten minutes because of I know but Nate's not here today. And today, we don't we can be over to the break. Let's let's set a rule down here. Stop it. Let's relax today. Okay. Just little. Yes. The phones here. Gonna take a break. The rain in the morning show from our family to yours Turkey Turkey, happy thanksgiving. Do you really want the most important purchase of your life to be based on your negotiating skills? Not the case at Steven Singer jewelers. You're guaranteed to get the perfect price. Every day. They make the experience of buying an engagement ring so easy with no BS. Visit them online at I hate Stephen singer dot com. Is Elvis Duran in the morning show giving almost upon us that special time of year when your whole family gathered together in one place to look at their phones. Well, it is a happy thanksgiving already. Johnny just arrived. He's gonna make the Turkey Margarita? Eighty. What's the difference between a Margarita in Turkey, lurk Margarita? The name. Kathleen per second, so Weber Kathleen called me last night. She says I got a great idea to you guys. You know, you're doing your uncomfortable dinner party on the show tomorrow. She says she thinks everyone's going to have the possibility of a bad bad things. Giving dinner flight at the table absolutely going to happen. And so you had a great idea, and you put it out there in the in the Twitter verse I said to everybody on following our socials here, you go ruined thanksgiving and four words. Oh, right. What four words can you say at the table that could could possibly ruin it for everyone dying out there? Reading the responses so Monroe Gramma has him farts. Am I think I'm pregnant I'm pregnant uncle, Johnny? What was yours? Okay. All right, everything. Here is vegan. The Tony that was four hours of of forgot. Scare what are your forward to ruin things giving to table. Let's all way ourselves. Mom slept with grandpa. That's not good right now. Forty four. That's good. Uncle johnny. What do you think you farted? It wouldn't have been for thanksgiving. Sure. Print out some of the best ones and bring them in here for you. Okay. Good. Great. Thank you Lee. Just takes four little magic words to uncle Johnny just whip to shake her out. Hello look at that. So we're gonna have some Turkey Margaritas leading into our uncomfortable dinner party. I know lots going on. Mariah Carey rolls by Mercedes Benz winter even interview lounge that's going on in about forty five minutes. Thanks for Doug wells. It Ray Katina in Edison. I've shopped out there. Having a Friendsgiving think to him car mind Virgils is here we're gonna eat and you're like, well, I'm listening. What does it have to do with me? What benefit do either listener get out of that? Well, you'll know that we'll we're we're well nourished and you'll hear a slowly slide into a food coma. Why are you running in Brody if something wrong what I missed you? Because I had something typed up for you. And you're not using it. So I wanna make sure you have over is it I'm gonna get. Okay. Thank you. Are you ready for Turkey Margaritas daybreak? Absolutely Funchal Johnny made it miss something. What's different unit? Shuki Margarita regular on the word. Michael we're doing the four words that can ruin thanksgiving at the table. What are yours? I have three words. Okay. Oh, you're gonna ruin it in three one. Okay. Go ahead. Let's talk politics. Will you say hi voted for and then say the name of the person vote for? Yeah. Let's talk about politics. Yeah. The words are gonna ruin it for everyone a lot of families are going to have that fight. They know it there are people today. Michael that no tomorrow, they're going to be having this conversation at the table. They know they're gonna start a fight. And that's what gets me all scalded skull. All right. Well, michael. Thank you. Good luck with your thanksgiving. Okay. You too, buddy. Yeah. I think people kinda just hold it in. I can't wait to be with my family tomorrow. Second to pissed them off. Thing. You know, if it's someone that you're stuck with like your family. What are they gonna do yet? They can't disown me trail. Hey, guess what? Yes. We can. Good my family. It's so predictable. Because the things you think are going to send everyone off don't and the things you don't think are going to set people off really just get everyone going. It's true of. This. Just scary words music. Already coming in. Thanks to go Kathleen on Twitter replying to at Elvis Duran ruin things giving in four words. Grandma has hem farts. Forwards. It can ruin it. I like it moist. Froggy hates that word. Worse Irving romaine lettuce. As you know, they recalled all romaine lettuce. Another four words it could ruin things giving the wine is gone. Yep. That's a here's one that can plant the seed. Are you dating anyone? That could start a really bad things giving dinner. Yep. I think it's raw. Where's my fingernail fingernail one word or two? Okay. The kids are barf ING. How about wow, you're still together? I want a divorce. Oh, I'm not racist. But. Start something. Great Greg t is coming. Four words the could ruin thanksgiving you about view doing. I'm sorry. Go ahead to you need that. Do you you gonna eat that? You don't remember Daniel used to do that all the time? Can I eat that? Yes. I am. Forward. Yes. I am bitch. Did you gain weight? And it's the worst Joni where's Turkey Margarita? Is it coming soon? No. You can't can you? Tell us on the radio because the radio we yes, it's coming soon. Oh, it's coming soon. It's three were used to say when will these grow and grandma boob Oakland? You don't think the aunt never do that to the nephews? Rinse this gonna grow inappropriate stop that. Handoff weiner. I don't like that. All right. Okay. Four words. It could ruin thanksgiving. We're seeing a lot coming through. I don't even know if we wanna go to somebody's this. This could be awful. Yes, joanne. What forwards can ruin things giving your table. I don't know. Okay. We'll listening. Let's get into banged your mom. Even worth. This is gone. Drop in the full. Let's do you wanna do news. It's up to you. Whenever you want to wait. Starting to smell the Margaritas being maiden as we smell Janis Turkey Margaritas list. Let's let's take a break. Get ready. We're going to set the table. Historian in the morning show. Turkey time from our family to yours. Happy thanksgiving. 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But we also need today's phone tap. We're doing the best of the thanksgiving phone taps in Brody. I gotta say this is one of my favorites. Thank you. Do. You know when we're playing is. This the Turkey problem, you're twenty two pound Turkey. Yeah. That one. Okay. Listen to this. Elvis durant. Phone taps Brody. What your phone tap about today? Listen Miguel wanted us to phone tap is wife. Linda, Linda is was extra stressed about thanksgiving. She was making dinner for his family and her family. So I called her the day before thanksgiving until two. There was a problem with the Turkey. They ordered okay. Thanks giving. That's a good way to miss. So listen to brody's phone tap. Hi, I'm looking for Linden. Hi, this is Pete campaign from this calling the confirm your order. That's been picked up today. That's great. Thank you. So we've got four pounds of potato salad. Four pounds of macaroni salad three pounds half sour pickle. And of course, the Turkey. Yep. That's now you're what it was very hard to fill for the Turkey. But we got it's all taken care of why? Well, because I just found your order a little strange, but it's all taken care of. We were able to do it. We got twenty two pound turkeys twenty pounds. They don't know not twenty two pound turkeys. I you have twenty two pound turkeys. We have them all for you. Call some of the doors and now now now we ordered one twenty two pounds Turkey. Yeah. No. I took the order from let me see your husband Miguel. He said, hey, you got twenty two pound turkeys. And I said, yeah, he said I'll take him sign me up. So we know who in their right mind orders would what is it to to to Turkey Wendy to pound turkeys? We when trouble these I call four other stores in the area. How about a thank you. I'm sorry that why wouldn't you? Make any sense that doesn't I think people coming tomorrow? I I can't serve that to people. I don't understand each give give one person Turkey. I thought it was a cute idea. I figured you. Having like get your Turkey part here. Realize that that was like, oh, she's that. She's me. I'm a supermarket professional, ma'am. I've been doing seventeen years, I think. You would know that nobody in the right mind is going to order twenty two pound Turkey, literally doesn't make any sense you had known at that was take people into different things. I don't know what you what you people are into these days. Hey, back into my culture where you were from. I don't know. That's what you do. I don't question people where we're from Ohio. That says it make any. Something to be done. And I need an actual twenty to Turkey because it's nice people coming over here. We're gonna find a twenty two pound Turkey. You know, what I mean about about when you're making that order that something seemed all does that mean, you don't want to three pounds a half salad pickles. I don't want to speak to you any more. I want for my I'm going on my husband. We'll get back to you. You saw us the pickles. If you know what I mean? Discussed one who doesn't pickles. Thank you. Mcgill? So we're not only right now. Call okay, great, Leonard, we call her back. Going on right now people from. Talking about no. You ordered when t. Pound turkeys Turkey that are two pounds is still the same amount of Turkey. Turkish with a lot of him. I don't understand how to cook. Particularly embarrassing for that matter. Linda with that daybreak. Melles joined the morning show with phone tapping right now Turkey's really on the way, it's fine. I don't know if I should be mad or relieved. Oh my God. Like a crazy person on on the radio. Idea for a phone tap, Cody dot com, click on the phone. Permission granted. Three. In the morning show. Don't get me started about Tate's cookies. I think you should get started about it. Thank you. I'm gonna get started Tate's thin crispy chocolate chip cookies did do they have these in Boston. And I love him. Listen to Daniel Daniel. Takes us a big huge basket of tastes looking more food food and today could send one of these. If you go to Tate's Bake Shop dot com, you can send these incredible baked goods the gift baskets, like this movie gift actually, just in cookies, whatever they also come in the single serve bags for snacking on the go. Don't send me that as you know, I want more than that place. Just put that in my purse. Tate's is fantastic. Matter of fact, if you go to Tate's Bake Shop dot com, use the promo code Elvis you at twenty percent on. Hey like that Johnny go to Tate's Bake Shop dot com. Use the promo code Elvis. Absolutely hates his abets. No. Thank you. Tony change bake shop dot com, and I can't imagine the holidays without Tate. So pick up a back. So I think. There's something about the uncomfortable dinner party. That makes me very uncomfortable to maybe we shouldn't do it. We'll know is when focusing anyone here on the only one you guys nerve, you're so quiet. You're obviously is nervous as I am always against it. I'm all for this Mary excited. Johnny never done it. I know Johnny's not nervous. I don't like it because I feel like I always gonna I'm gonna say something, and then you're not going to talk to me anymore. Okay. So we all have to as we get into the uncomfortable dinner parties at no matter. What is said? Yeah, we must forgive and move on. Okay. That's fair. Okay. All right. I I never get enough food in the when I asked somebody to pass something, I never get it. You don't have less to eat stand. It. I just wanna put out there that forgiveness is not one of my stronger traits. I'm not good at it. So I hope this goes, okay, Gandhi. Welcome. To the uncomfortable dinner. Party. This is good food. So good to be with you guys. Again, last time we had this dinner party Gandhi. Was it here? I was thinking how cool is it? That Gandhi is here, right because Gandhi as an Indian your people were at the very first thanksgiving and that knee, right? All right. You're done. You're done. Frogging? Yeah. The potatoes. By the way, we were gonna fly you up here to spend the holidays with us. Then we took a vote. So I don't know. Scary. These mashed potatoes could use a little garlic. Can you breathe on them for me? String beans. They're scary one. And by the way, have you asked your fiance Alex to sign that pre NUP yet? Johnny. Yes. So is it true? You haven't been able to get it up since Reagan was president. That's about right. What are you better eat up because it to say this could be your last thanksgiving? Hey elvis. Could you please pass a stuffing? We'll while you do that. What are your thoughts on the president? We all have thoughts about the president. We're not gonna talk politics. Back. Your husband, Sheldon. He's British right circumcise. Wondered that too. Oh my God. I think it's a fair question. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it? What's up? Johnny bull cars your homes. Question for Elvis to are you getting married in New Mexico because that's the only state you're old enough to get married in. Valid question. He's thirty eight years old. I know you've only slept with one man other than your husband who's bigger. My husband. If you stomach is his big as you rise. Will you going to need more food in my right? What? Scary. If you had to lose one, which would you choose would you rather lose your job or your girlfriend? I think it's a fair question froggy in the past week who've you tongue kiss more Lisa with the dogs the dogs by far Nate's nut here make fun of. I wish he was here. Do you think he moved to Connecticut because it's easier to hide a body up there? Brockie? Do you think is better at pleasing, man? A your wife or Elvis. Okay. Is better who who? Did you know the for Christmas, your wife, Trish is asking everyone for gift certificates to Ashley Madison? Scary recorded those radio commercials about how you lost forty pounds. Yeah. That was before you gain sixty back. And I'm trying to do the math. Let's wrong. Here's it. Here's a biscuit. Yeah. I'll take that. Then yell. Sheldon's not a US citizen. Long before you meet someone else after President Trump to port. Elvis. Another fair, quite a way. Wait skiers scare. You don't be mad because I told you girlfriend that you are proposing to her for Christmas. Elvis. Yes, froggy. I knew it bothers you sometimes that Alex is twenty five years younger than you. But look on the bright side, he's thirty years older than your face. Hold on hold on. He is sixteen years younger than me twenty-five same, by the way, are you counting some windows. Frogging? Yeah. Do marry or kill Daniel Gandhi. In me. Go do Mary your kill. Gandhi in me. I'd kill you. Something. Bothering anybody. I heard that for Christmas your daughter's getting DNA tests just to prove that you're not the fun really must stop to. It's move ember when it's over are you going to shave your mustache? Hold onto it a little longer be way too. Nice to Gandhi today back. Let's. Her who's had more members in them. You are Tang clan. Someone's going to die for that. Behind you in the studio five days a week who stands behind you more scarier, Alex. Honestly, uncle, Johnny. Just eat up, your eggs. This could be your last thanksgiving. Wow. It's the second time. Someone told him that today at this table you still here. Hey Elvis, Alex proposed to you because you physically can't get down on one knee. Gandhi. Yes, did your boyfriend tell you that those pants on you. Can you pass the mashed potatoes? Great great grandfather Mahatma Gandhi met you today. How long before he ended his own life out of shame. Johny homeless. Go ahead. Sorry froggy if everybody can take it easy on the food and just let Johnny eat up this age just could be as last thanksgiving. That's the food time. With somebody scary watch more believable. Daniel the Italian woman with red hair or Gandhi, the Indian woman with blonde hair. I'm gonna go with Danielle. Eighteen. Favor. Again, I'm not bothering anybody. But I I just I need a little help. Can you spell a Fahrenheit? Horford. Bothering anybody in the past week. Who have you tongue kiss? Johny already did that. Thanks, johnny. Yes. You die in the middle of dinner. Do I get your slice upon pie? Johnny dies. Guess what you know what? Let's split it. Okay. That's threes. Naples here to me. Miss that guy. I wonder. When he had sex with his girlfriend right here in the studio. Do you think he lasted as long as the song lasted? Maybe Bazi song like two and a half minutes. He. Everyone can you pass more potatoes? Thinking what's scary? That's unusual for you. I realized that if you die of old age in your eighties, your fiance, you'll be around your age now. The mail. He won't he's only sixteen years younger than me. Hey elvis. Twenty. No, it's sixteen. Day new shopping for clothes do the sales people in Hollister assume you're there to find your kid. I don't shop at Hollister. Two sons very lucky. They got they're mainly good looks and their father and they've got their brains from their fathers. Moustache from you. If you can't say that. Thanksgiving. Hey, Tia you've been to. I just wanna ask you then here for twenty two years. Can you smell chauffeur? Anything? I'm miserable dinner party. This is a nice day. This is only time to get together. Let's ask him his spell your ruining uncomfortable dinner party Gandhi. Yeah. If I asked somebody to get ice, don't worry. It's not the ice. That's going to deport you. Greg t. Come on scary. I'm gonna kill you, man. I just hired a monkey to train from now. Searcy? I'm gonna punch dude. Yeah. Did you hear about the DNA test your daughter's again, I heard ready? I'm ready her. What's the job where you work? Okay. Keep going. We already asked obviously can't hear your mustache grown into your ears. Comb that all right. I think it's almost time for us to get up and maybe go for a walk uncomfortable dinner parties. But anyway, it's been a lot of fun. The mashed potatoes have been fabulous. Hey, Gandhi, kind of cool that being Indian your family was at the very first thanksgiving. Right. All right. Let's talk. Both. Lauren. How are you? Hi, lauren. So good. Have you here? Are you calling to insult as well? No, I'm not calling you. I'm calling to say how much I love you guys. And I'm just I'm so blessed to be on the radio. I can't believe thank you. Thanks for being part of our very uncomfortable dinner party. Hello, laurie. Good morning. No. Are you going to have an uncomfortable dinner party tomorrow? Probably. I think it's very important. It's very important that you just get it out at dinner party. You're with people that are they're not going to dump you, it's family, and friend. Now, they're always going to be there. You let them know what you really think about them. Okay. I'm crying driving. We're all crying in our own way, thrown reason. Inside. Yeah. What was the? Advice? Let's let your family know what to think of. Hello, francine. All right. Welcome to our uncomfortable dinner party. I got my kids to school. And I'm talking my God way. And I don't even wanna get out of the call. 'cause I'm having such a great time. Great teams code up and left because degraded got up and left because we asked him to spell DNA. What was your question for Daniel? Daniel has the greatest laugh I've ever heard here. Very try living with you make me laugh. I can't even tell you. We're all we're all used to that cackle. Whatever will thank you for listening to the most uncomfortable dinner party. Can I have more potatoes? Elvis Duran in the morning show circuits. Be gobble gobble gobble bully. If you're like us around here, and you like a little naughty crazy fun with your friends. Go get the privacy board game. We've loved playing this game. And you will to by today at target Barnes and noble or wherever you buy board games. This is the thanksgiving edition rendition is that what it's called. I would say the thanksgiving edition addition, not rendition edition edition, Ed. Edition. The thanksgiving dish. Please welcome pariah care. Welcome back to New York. Thank you so excited to be here. I know you're an LA grow. But New York you're living every verse form owes. But when you come home, your home this. Did you buy my -partment? I do. Okay. I walk by Mariah apartment. We want say where it is the morning. I look up to see if their lights on today the relied. So my lighting is very specifically tailored for what? I liked was bro. A lamp you may be Scott. Okay. Okay. Mariah's home. It's good to have you get to be here. But home for you right now is almost everywhere. I mean, Las Vegas. I played your slot machine. By the way, did you in no? Ask you for refund during the song. But I mean spending time, I know you just got back from Asia. Yes. And you're gonna hit the road again and do some Christmas shows in Europe can be very exciting because they get very festive their Christmas. Of course, you have to take your kids because otherwise it would be fun for you not be all on they love it. They come up on stage. They just they don't really care like rocky, especially he's just like whatever he runs up and down the stage. He doesn't every once. I mean, you know, he's a comedian already. Look, you know, when you're doing what Mariah doesn't this business? You have to have say when it comes to a lot of decisions that are made in your business. But when you have kids you have no say say run the show. For them. Yeah. Exactly. But they're good. They understand it when I have shoulder like we, you know, mommy has a show tomorrow. We can't be loud. Like, they get it. Grownup in it. Yeah. That's so important like even for me like my kids have grown up. I'm not there in the morning because I'm here just kind of get used that that's their life. Yeah. Exactly. I'll be like you guys want to do something where you don't travel for a while. Do they like new window? We get to go on the plane again. When are we going to tour bus tour? A few things. Just go back a few months last time. We saw you at the iheartradio music festival in Las Vegas. I don't know if you remember what I said to you your performance at night, in my opinion was the highlight of two nights of performances you on that stage in just blew everyone away. I was so happy to be there and have such a great history with so many people from iheart everyone. You know, everyone from Yuda John Sykes. And you know, you know, he was my first manager John Sykes was a manager manage manage the person he managed I. We manage more than one person. He can't keep a sandwich alive. No. He's great. The greatest thing about of course, the energy of Mariah on our stage. Was you did a lot of the hits that we've known for a couple years, but you did the songs from from caution as well. And it was just the greatest mix in everyone stayed in their seats. And that's kind of a weird thing about our music festival because if there for a country artist usually don't stick around for the other artists, Miami one was locked into you. The lights in your eyes. Can you see that? Can you feel energy from show when you're doing your stage show at that show? I did I really felt it was a great audience, but like with the lights in your eyes. You can barely see. I can really see the states. Sometimes I was in Asia was like can I walk on this stage is a wet spot state. I'm no that's from this daily from that. But you never know. It's really weird. I can't you know in the lights are always in my eyes used to that in New York 'cause we have what's called mystery liquid in New York. That's what it was. Don't know. We'll look, you know, I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who's in research. He's in the research business. Okay. And he was saying that cautioned this album looking at the numbers is the most highly regarded album as far as the critics go since the beginning of your career. Yeah. What's the craft? I think it's great. I mean, I really feel like it's we're at a place where different people reviewing music now. It's really music lovers as opposed to people that are just like criticizing music, and even on some of my biggest albums that that sold the most they didn't necessarily get great reviews, but I can go back and look at them look at some of the vote from back then and go I would have given this definitely a better review. But to have it happening now is amazing. It's it's very flattering in feels grave from all of your music from from a few years ago and also your music from today, these are the soundtracks of people's lives. I know this kind of overly used phrase in this business, but people are going to know exactly where they are. When they when they first heard GTO what they were doing bad situation. They were in that song at the time. Can you think back when to put you on the spot? Can you think back to when you were growing up? Yes. Or any any time in your life? There was a song that takes you back to that intersection in your life where you had to make some tough decisions or the most fantastic frigging thing happen to you can. You think of some of the songs that bring back those memories at all? He know it's so hard because I've been doing this now for more than half my life. So I always have these these memories associated with like like, you'll ask me. Okay. What were you doing in one thousand nine hundred seven of like did it that was butterfly? You know what I mean? I know it was going on in my life during that. Because my whole I was immersed in making that album. But if it's like when I was a little girl, and I was like driving down the street with my mom or something this thing to the radio in hearing loving you by many riverton. I remember trying to hit those notes and never being able to figuring out like, oh, that's a different placement in my voice. And that's how that happens. And I have those things are like or like running home to watch. The Michael Jackson thriller video or something like that. And you just looking at things that make you say made me say I want to do this. When I grow up to those songs in your life that actually turned up turned up the heat so many songs, I mean, it's hard for me to pick one, and you know, from your your life surrounded by music. It's hard to say one out of all the artists and all the songs, I'm sure, but you grew up singing those notes that many Repton was fame. For singing grew up making those huge videos like Michael Jackson made. Maybe not quite as big as thriller. Nobody ever has. Joe? You don't spend that money anymore and videos. We're lucky we get an iphone video. Point. You know, what the music business is always evolving. It's not even the same business. It was six months ago ten years ago. But you know, I think there's something kind of exciting. I'm gonna see if you agree something kind of exciting about the independence an artist truly have in this day and age that you couldn't have ten years ago. You can actually go out and get a fan base going and become a commodity that then a music company wants to buy. Yeah. They look to the artists to kinda dictate where they're going to go, right? Whereas before it was like, okay, we're going to take an artist we're gonna find songs for them. We're going to put that whole thing together with the big machine behind them. And then they can have shot in the industry. And my thing was a little bit different. Because I was with that demo tape as we talked about many times of four struggling with my songs that I'd written in the back of a woodshed here in New York like just, you know, from time, I was a teenager. So that was a little bit different than than what then became the mode, which was like people getting on TV shows and getting their career started jump started from that. I think it's all. You know, it's all for the good of the music. Hopefully, and I mean, the old way was the old way. In today's ways maybe easier for some people to break break through the system, but with caution haven't you done it a little differently with this album than you did back during the big machine days, which wasn't that long ago. Right. It you could basically just make a decision and then the record company will go. Okay. We'll just do that. Because that's what she wants to do. I think there's an independence now that it's very freeing as an artist. I would assume that that's a good thing. It's a good thing. I mean, I think with in my situation, I'm really with some people that I love and trust. And you know, like with Sylvia Rhone, she's known me for a really long time. And she's even like, I remember a long time ago. I wasn't on her label, but she came to the studio, and I had just done heartbreaker, featuring Jay z and at the time, I was going back and forth with with my label because they didn't think it was a hit record. And I was like I'm pretty sure it is. And she came in and she was like a smash. What are you talking about? I think with her. It's like it's still big system, but it's more of a collaborative effort, and there's also more like focus on what are the fans liking the most from these like glimpses album that they've heard these collaborations you've collaborated with some amazing people as they would say they collaborated with you. I mean, you their list of people they love celebrity with. Who do you see coming up? Is there any Cardi B coming up in the collaboration? I love Cardi B. I would love to do that. It's just you know, just to see surrounding yourself even mentioned it yourself surrounding yourself with the right people the right energy can make or break. Yeah. Everything. Yes. Have you have you learn lessons along the way because of the people you surround yourself with absolutely. We don't even personally, but I'm saying like professionally conventionally most definitely yeah. Yeah. And it's tough because I think as artists were very vulnerable to people coming in and saying, hey, no one with doing the floor. Let me come in steal the show and show you how good I am. And like sometimes we're vulnerables about no matter what we've been through. No matter how many great people who've been surrounded by before. Sometimes it just happens. Right. It's just a part of life just like say timbale incomes in and you work with timber and then squirrel IX working with scale. How do you adjust to each different personality each artist who people I work with on this on this album caution? Very good. Thank you very much. You know, it's interesting. I've I've known Tim info while and we kind of worked together on some songs that were maybe less well known not necessarily released and this time around we just kind of went back and forth with with different ideas. And one of my favorite songs on the miscall eighth grade. That's a collaboration timberland scroll IX, I didn't know I was working with my friend, Pooh bear. And he was like I really want you to meet my boy like me, so great. And then it was grill and he came in the studio, and he told me a story that he had listened to the butterfly album with his mom, I believe she passed away. And it was like, you know, memories for him. So he did this on called runway that he sampled a part of butterfly. And it's only on like very it's not on every version of the album, but it's it's one of my favorites. But the other song we did with dollar sign is called the distance. So that's a collaboration with garlic says. Well, so it's nice you meet new people make new friends who have the same interests in love of music, all of it, and you can go in and out of different collaborations. That's why I think we should just I should fire everyone here and start over. Join our show, by the way. Nice to meet you as well. So talking about the collaborations, and you're working with all these new people. What is the process like with all the technology? Now, are you like in a lab with them writing? Or do you kind of say this is my idea? What can you add to it? No. We writing is a very organic process for me. I don't even I don't even like to ride on my phone. Most of the time I prefer to like write on paper sit down record. I'll use voice notes record melodies. But you know, sometimes we'll just sit in the room right things down record it immediately. So we don't forget it. And then record the next line the next one. But it's from the inception to the completion. I'm there. There is no other way from it. I I couldn't do it any other way I've been doing it. That was his I was a teenager. That's what I love is gonna fantastic help all performers all artists have different way of doing it people like for instance, came in and she would play her voice notes. And we were just blown away at how she writes a song recording. She'll just seeing all these words that don't make sense to this tune that she wrote, and then she goes back later, and I understand. Until miracle. Do that size mumbling rumbling this melody, you know, where you wanted to go. But then later it's like I'm gonna fix that lyric because it obviously when not gonna talk about sunglasses microphone, although BQ to you never know a stream of consciousness, Mariah mumbles. That's the way it starts time. I have to because I know that you used to be a late late late early morning sleeper. Will know you like to stay up late and record it used to be like that. Yeah. That's why getting this early. I hats off to you. Do you ever find in those wee hours of the morning in a dark studio? Maybe it's this you and your microphone if people in a booth on the other side of the glass, do you ever find yourself getting emotional with music? I mean, we're you're so into what you're doing. You kind of have an out of body experience in you experience your craft your art in a way, the kind of throws you off a little bit. Makes it maybe surprises, you sometimes, you know, it's interesting. I pretty much kick. Everybody out of the studio on when they're they're not even behind the glass. It's just me. And my engineer, and I'm like guys later, you know, because of that I want to be able to feel emotional if that's where the journeys taking me there's a song on this album called portrait that is very kind of a deep song. I took like two days to write it in in bed. Just writing, you know, from my heart and writing about a glimpse of where Matt and in my life looking back being in the moment as well. And it doesn't really necessarily go with all the other songs, but it goes with. With my tradition of putting one of those types of songs on my album for the fans. So I think if anything that song gave me that vibe of always wondered if you're an artist in front of a canvas with your paints or if you're on stage doing a song or in a studio by yourself. Doing a piece of your your art. And you just get so caught up in the emotion of it. And you're not really thinking of specific thing that happened to you or something. So instead, you you just get this thing. You can't explain, and you just cry or you laugh or. Yeah. 'cause art is not an exact science a lot of it is not even explainable how you come up with your art. It's to an even it's like when you're first playing a song for someone. That's very personal. And you're playing it for a few people in it can be very emotional. I definitely experienced that. With the song. We were talking about portray experience. And I was like, well, this is kind of like a major glimpse at who. I am as a person, and it just became like a little bit emotional for me. And maybe for some of the people listening to the sewn and stuff like that. So I don't I don't really listen to it that much when I'm listening to the might fast forward it. But then if I'm alone. I listen to it, right? Yeah. These are these are tough for all of us to to face actually, standing in front of a mirror and stare at yourself actually, discussing with yourself who you are. And where you are in life and things that you want to purge to only yourself. I I have to imagine. There's a thin line between your art your craft in something that's in a personal place that it's all yours at. None of us are really allowed in their glimpses on your which is good for you. Good for their glimpses. And there's also ones we were just talking before. I walked in here about, you know, previous albums and different things and songwriting, and I was thinking about the album daydream, which is very festive and it's got fantasy on it. Right. Scott once once based festive, but you know, it's got these big kind of always be my baby fund songs. And the last song is is looking in which I wrote in fifteen minutes. I kinda like woke up snuck into the other room wrote looking in and it's still one of my most personal songs, but you know, you could play it next to portrait from the caution. And it. Would definitely be like, okay. This is the same person. It's just fast-flowing a little bit later on in their life. But I see the same technique of kind of like you said like a purging type of moment. Right. That's the thing. When you hear your favorite artists. No matter what album, you're listening to this is a lot of personal stuff going on here. Never ever discount that. Let's talk about the holidays. I know you love holidays. Yes. Your big Halloween. I am on the biggest Halloween. Weiner. No you look Christmas. And especially if you're gonna take your your holiday tour through Europe, which as you said earlier is the birthplace of Christmas. I guess that would be Bethlehem. I don't know. You love like Santa Claus one time. You probably don't remember this when you were doing one of your shows here in town your Christmas shows. Yeah. You actually said, hey, Elvis, if you want you dress up his Santa come up on stage, and it never paid off. And you probably don't remember. But is bad. If I if it didn't happen, maybe I'll fly over to Paris meet you there for Christmas. It's no inconvenience come on. All the guys you've had your life. Isn't Santa your favorite cooler is please welcome to the stage. What it only? Deal. Full of prizes. You're a good girl. Sending you know. I've been a good go. You know me. Glad to my. We're not friends. Recipe. Serta. You went to restore the dollar store. Be getting the North Pole. I'm sensing. This might not be my stand. That's okay. I'll see him. Nobody. On. Do we have an impostor this? We can't break the children out there who watching this. They can't can't get better. Maybe say wash your share of the which is great for a motive thick makeup. Come on Santa. We're all the time. A movie four sales. When you're ready to settle down. Dental players faster. Come on. What is your finger painting fingerpainted for the kid? One more gift from Araya? Then you really gotta get your asset. You gotta get back to the north phone. Hurry, something about this is unsettling. I know this is my guy creepy Santa when I do my shows. We'll have the real deal. Water. Florida noise. You can keep that way. Goes Christmas show. Yeah. We're gonna have a difference. Take take your toilet. Now this next time. I'll call my guy. He's okay. All right. Look, we've got lots lots to look forward to this this next year. You're going to be back in back in Vegas. More back in Vegas and February right? Oh, also caution moral tour. So you gotta come. Not really but Christmas will be an Aspen. Yeah. The real Santa. Real reindeer this. Why can't with this? Really, do you send you a clip? You guys are gonna feel backs disrespect her like. The fighting for my son, darling. Anything with that name? You can surely. Gifting is very recite. Have. Okay. So caution world tour, of course, Las Vegas is waiting for you. If you want to see if you wanna play the slot machine. They're just came home from Asia off to Europe for some holiday shows in your mommy, you got all sorts of stuff Steph going, and yes, the custom world tour begins in February as well. This before tours. I mean do is like, yeah. Yeah. Can't wait. Or is it a boy? Here we go again. How do you feel right before the tour this I'm excited for this? Cause I be doing the new material from caution as well as fan favorites and rice on so that's cool. But I'm trying this microphone. I don't know who made this week. But it's the goal. Mike with Elvis Duran for my fiftieth birthday from only forty one years old to what I don't know. People always rushing fame some of them. Don't let them do. We don't know numbers. I must say again to see you with heart on the stage in Las Vegas was just tremendous. I know we toasted with a glass of wine after the show. I look forward to toasting with you. Anytime you want to toast for this. Mariah Carey, of course, cautioned by what do you wanna play the distance when we were bigger here. All the signs on why carry like her. She's on it as well. So much for having. Always learn something new in the Mercedes Benz interview lounge please welcome five seconds of summer. Moaning voice. Thank you. It's a bit bit husky. It is go nuts. Do we say go nets on the ship? By the twenty eighteen Mercedes Benz winter event, the lights are up. The stockings are hung, and it's time to put on your driving mittens. The Mercedes Benz winter event is here. Visit your local dealership for test drive today. Elvis Duran and the morning show, if you're like us around here, and you like a little naughty crazy fun with your friends. Go get the privacy board game. We've loved playing this game. And you will to buy today at target Barnes and noble or wherever you buy board games. And things again to our neighbor. Mariah Carey for dropping by say, hi. And by the way, a lot of people. I know I've known Mariah for several years. I know her humor. I get her humor. She was being a little cast about Greg t clause. She was actually the actually posed for pictures. He's not mad, but I did take the fart putty. Yes. He did paint that came with me did not want to far putty did not anyway her album caution is available now. And she's fag. That if you have a chance to fly to Europe and see her in Paris one hundred Christmas show. Why are you here when you could be on Air France right now? Right, anyway, let's go round the room. We'll start with you scary scary issue. This tweet on thanksgiving morning, but I'm gonna tell everybody is a public service right now. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade is NBC a lot of people start on Twitter on thanksgiving more than they start saying. Oh my God. Why are they just showing balloons from weird angles? But there's no commentary, and there's no there's no performances that's because NBC is the one with the rights to the NBC has the best best owned coverage. So make sure you watch. Watch NBC are Janke. Well, no, they're on Janki. They just don't have full access. There. Jay, what's that? Dan. You get different angles. The buck of that person. I mean, you know, me a rose parade. Yeah. Rose Bowl parade fan wins that on. Can't wait any will. Thank you. Scary calling all the networks ABC Jenky. What about you? What's on your mind? Thank you to everybody. Who's actually going to be in the parade because this is supposed to be the coldest thanksgiving? We've ever had a New York City and still the volunteers from Macy's the Broadway shows, I know one of our friends from the prom was was Instagram a picture of Alfred saying that she had to wear that in seven degrees. Thank you for still going as sill entertaining us and being there for us because I look forward to this parade every year it kicks off the holiday season for my family when Santa comes my sister. And I call each other. We scream our heads off like where kids and so thank you for being there for all of us. Even though you're going to be freezing. She's that show biz. Yeah. And you know, what that show biz? I know people the people who do stage work when when when when the audience bad or people who are marching in parades when it's seven degrees. It's show business. Thank you. I know. To the Brooklyn voice podcast is going on behind the scenes. Look, the this is not the Brooklyn boys podcast, right? Oh, producers Sam what's going on with you today? So I wanna give everybody at challenge. This thanksgi- challenge me. Okay. When you give someone a hug hug them mindfully. Don't just do the one arm side body. Like, hey, how you doing kind of hug because when I knew Glen from car minds Virgils was coming up today. Not only was I really excited for the food. I was equally as excited about the hug because he's such an intentional mindful. Hugger just it's it's the warmest feeling ever. Like, you know, what I have to Glenn hug all of my family medicine. He's so good. Not all hugs created a Glenn rack of ribs. He's a great shift. What's up with you today? Okay. So it's our last around the room before thanksgiving. So I'm super thankful like told you for being here and being part of this. And then for all of our listeners, and there are two listeners in particular that I want to say Hello to because there are little listeners. So is Abella in Alexander Rogers at Stephen j J race, we love you guys. And I thank you for listening. And I hope you listen forever. And you grow up with us. We love you guys still we're so thankful to have you here your dad's awesome, by the way, guys just wanted to say that. Joanie? Let's give you an around the rumors or anything, that's on your mind that you wanna talk about right now, you have the floor because I know you pass out on the floor a lot what's going on, Johnny. No. I'm just having the best time. I love thanksgiving. I got being around all beautiful fabulous friends of mine. And where are they are you going to see them right here? Gone. Chris bent her this year. This is fabulous. It's the do. I have in my life. You know, and I'm closer to the end. So I like it when it's dots. Weapon. I I've met everybody. I just wanna meet more and more. I'm not going anywhere. People to meet uncle, Johnny. Thank you. Thank you so much and froggy. I I know that you are going to be up here in a couple of weeks. We can't wait to party with you. We miss you. Dave Brody and scary love you great t allergic to apples what I gave him to. Okay. He's okay. Okay. Johnny has apples in his Margarita. Did you see the apple floating on the top? No. I didn't notice. I might arm started. Holy you. See this. Apple, right. I didn't notice it. I see they make dreary feeling. Okay. Yeah. Well, the funny thing was I called my our just and then they said Colby -mergency number Colby -mergency number, and I got his wife, and she said, he wasn't home. And I she's the office opens at nine I need somebody off going into some sort of. Okay. All talk at the same time ready. One two three go. Thanksgiving. Giving everybody you don't die. All right. So around the room did that sound with Garrett Garrett. Yes, I have to give a happy birthday to very important women in my life. One of two of many my mother-in-law her birthday today. Name Roseanne fetchy. Hi roseanne. Fetchy happy birthday. Then my wife alleys birthday is on Saturday. Heavy birthday of many women that keep me up in my life. All right. Let's talk about some songs that people have been hearing some certain things in them. So we all know the song from panic at the disco high hopes people are saying the here a baby towards the end of the song. So if you hear it. It's at the beginning. Louise, little giggle. So we isolated so see if you can hear it. Listen one two three. Yeah. There's a maybe some people are saying baby. I say it's a Turkey. So the. Okay. Here we go. Giggles tick, it's giggle. We found it to try to hide that stuff. People were listening to Ellie Goulding song close to me. So. Familiar? A little. So you're saying. The close to me hook and the Sherman of jingle hook or the Sodhi smile song. Let me in. All right. So fast. Okay. Yep. Same thing. So I guess it's safe to say that Ella Golding has a diplo has some split into do. She's Sherman Budi smile. All right last night tonight show, Jimmy Fallon, cut us up on the week of news because it is a short week to the tone of goodnight moon. The tone of goodnight moon. Yes. Listen could night David's bridal. Big bankruptcy miss. I guess too many women said no to the dress. Good night Instagram cracking down on fake lakes. Please outlaw southeast from couples on hikes. I love it. When he does good night news. All right. And then it is the season where we break out all our holiday songs like Johnny and froggy have colicky Laka that that they do during Christmas time. They do we have Greg tease sexy Turkey song for you by request. We have text message it really number one today. Sure is forty six thousand three hundred and thirty two people. Six Turkey around. Tom kit targets. Wishbone lick. To you straight. Doc me. You'll create that, sir. Big. Joe yo Turkey full day. Couple. Sexy tacky rep there yet. We're gonna forget about it again. I'm sorry. What's what's sorry? We bury until next been spare put it back in the American. Heavy thanksgiving to you Daniel headlines. What do you have going right to Adam LeVine worked at Johnny rockets after his first record deal fell through? I love how we find out. What celebrities did before they were famous then he got a job as a production assistant in television show. And then he became at an Levin in maroon five let's see Jason Derulo has joined the live action uptake of cats to Rula will portray rum Tom Tucker that the cat whose rebellious never satisfied. You know, Taylor swift is in the cast Jennifer Hudson, so many people James corden, I hope that the movies better than the plane that way musical because I still don't get it. We get Android Weber city or and trying to explain it. And I still don't get it. So the Canucks can't explain it. According to new survey back to the future toys story in Indiana Jones, there the franchises people most want to see continue. And if you haven't seen the trailer for the new LEGO movie comes out, February twenty nineteen I put it up for you at Daniel minero on Twitter, if you haven't been LEGO. The LEGO movie the first one it's so good. It's so funny, and it's confusing. It takes a while to put the pieces together. Hey, oh, it's it's not just for kids. The jokes are really for adult. That was a good those one. What do we? Hurry to call the Butterball hotline local listing. You know, the parade is whatever. Thanks for calling the swift. Butterball hotline the place were hot chicks meat. Wash me up real good. All right. Danielle with your report. Yeah, I'm done. Put a fuck that. I I do. Vista rain in the morning show. All right. We ready to play privacy. Yes. Now that it's almost uncomfortable uncomfortable dinner party earlier. So we all love the game privacy. I actually told my girlfriend Lisa, hey, when we're drinking wine I'm going to bring this game over, but we have to make the kids are in bed because again uh play this with the kids. It's so crazy because there's questions like, let's see are your privates pierced. I'm not gonna ask my thirteen year old of his privates. Or peers you should play privacy the game with Johnny. Yeah. See you said has privates. Definitely not gonna ask would you ever consider being a stripper or are you horny in the morning? He's thirteen I know that answer. Funny. Your next party? You gotta get privacy. It's just the right about of amount of ninety s and hilarious. This whatever target fund noble wherever you buy board games. You gotta get to privacy. Make sure you pick it up. Elvis Duran and the morning show. Have greatest showman reimagined the whole soundtrack phone if you want it. Garret do we have? I'm telling you right now. This is the album you really need to download today. This is me gave me goosebumps. They're they're reimagined version of it with Missy Elliott got that one. Do you have the one with pink and her daughter? Did you put the whole thing in a few minutes? Dream dream. Does a million dreams daughter, willow. Does like the the reprieve the play the main one. So if it's just plan Maria. Is very good as well. I wanna play just plug it in completed in. Hopes works. Well, the way calls door to second track song, we'll be featured at my wedding. Spoiler alert. With the kids from the original the kids, and they have Hugh Jackman. We're trying to plug it in by the way. This is what we call live radio. Figuring out the problems on the troubleshoot button and push fater up which one the one that's lit. All right. I'm lit uncle. Johnny are you lip? Yes. I am. And I'm singing at the wedding too. All right. All from the greatest showman reimagined soundtrack. You can get it. Now. It's incredible. It is amazing. It's amazing and Brody actually made me cry. That was amazing. We are listening to what we had to text messages come from two different area. Codes a million dreams. I mentioned we're going to it's going to be incorporated into our wedding coming up in a year. One was from area code here in New York City and one from Jacksonville Florida saying they can imagine dancing to that song wedding. And then you started crying. I'm like what Brody what's going on? Because I remember I remember time. What you didn't wanna say you get on the radio because you worried how people react. And now people are imagining you dancing with your husband so been here long time. Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. That's socal uncle Johnny. Give leave you're going to be a husband. Living breathing got a year. I got a year. Less than a year gonna be one. And you're going to have one. Awesome. I love you Brody. That was great. Thank you grandchildren of getting married. Your where your nephews? All right. Look that soundtrack is great in of itself to have the reimagined ours with that was with panic at the disco. My gosh, they do the the first song the greatest show minutes. It really is something you need both in the movie. It's just a work of art. And the fact that bench pace and Justin Paul who. Of course, wrote the music for that and deer. Evan hansen. All these other things, I mean to know that there are friends in that we we've been we've been sort of you know, on the fifty yard line watching their games started. Just an amazing amazing life. That we have because we can observe things. Very lucky. All right. Let's take break. Today's best of the thanksgiving. Phone taps is awesome. From Dave Brody. We played free next Elvis Durant in the morning show. Circuits? Baby. Gobble, gobble gobbling bully. Giving. So here I am staring at a bag of Tate's Bake Shop thin crispy buttery chocolate chip cookies in soon as I'm done talking to you. I'm opening this bag it no one's gonna stop me Tate's Bake Shop cookies at your favorite market, uniquely crispy, deeply delicious. Randy Elvis, Duran phone all Brody what your phone tap about today. Listen Miguel wanted us to phone tap is wife. Linda, Linda is was extra stressed about thanksgiving. She was making dinner for his family and her family. So I called her the day before thanksgiving until two. There was a problem with the Turkey. They ordered okay. That's a good way to miss so listen to produce phone. Hi, I'm looking for Linden are hard to compare. Hi, this is Pete campai- from this. Call and confirm your order. That's been picked up today. Oh, yeah. That's great. Thank you. So we've got four pounds of potato salad. Four pounds macaroni salad three pounds half sour pickle. And of course, the Turkey. Yep. That's now, you're your it was very hard to fill for the Turkey. But we got it's all taken care of why? Well, because I just found your order a little strange, but it's all taken care of able to do it. We got twenty two pound turkeys twenty pounds. What don't know twenty two pound turkeys? You have twenty two pound turkeys. We have them all for you. Call some of the scores and now, no, no, we ordered one twenty two pounds Turkey. Yeah. No. I took the order from let me see your husband Miguel. He said, hey, you got twenty two pound turkeys. And I said, yeah, he said I'll take him sign me up. So that's what we know who in their right mind orders. What what is it to to to Turkey twenty two pound turkeys? We of trouble these four other stores in the area. How about a thank you. I'm very that. Why wouldn't you? Make any set that doesn't I've seen people coming tomorrow. I I can't serve that to people. I don't understand each give give one person Turkey. I thought it was a cute idea. I figured you. Having like get your Turkey kind of part care. All the cry realize that that was like, oh, she's needed that. Choose me. I'm a supermarket professional, ma'am. I've been doing seventeen years, I think. You would know that nobody in the right mind pointing to order twenty two Turkey, literally doesn't make any sense had known at that was take the people into different things. I don't know what you what you people are into these days. Hey back. You know, my culture where you were from. I don't know. That's what you do. I don't question people where we're from Ohio. That says it make any. Something to be done. And I need an actual when t to Turkey because it's nice thinking. Thinking people coming over here. We're gonna find a twenty two pound Turkey. You know, what I mean about about when you're making that order that something seemed all does that mean, you don't want to three pounds a half salad pickles. I don't want to speak to you any more. I want for my I'm going on my husband. We'll get back to you. You give use the pickles. If you know what I mean? Oh my God. You're disgusting. One who doesn't pickles. Thank you. Mcgill? So we're gonna have to. Okay. Great. Let it go. We call her back. Right now people from. Talking about. No, you ordered when t. Pound turkeys Turkey that are two pounds is still the same amount of Turkey. Turkey a lot of him. I don't understand how to cook. That particular embarrassing for that matter. Linda with that daybreak Mellish joined the morning show with phone tapping right now Turkey's really on the way, it's fine. Be mad or relieved. Oh my God. Crazy person on on the radio. Idea for a phone tap dot com. Click on the phone. Tell us what you wanna do this hotel commission granted by. Three. Historian in the morning show. Daniel is off being a good mom. She doing something with their kids. Right now. Sounds awesome. So this is usually where Daniel does her last report of the week. Okay. But I have something else to talk about as you know, Gandhi tonight is the kickoff of the holiday season officials thanksgiving eve, I know tonight's the biggest party night of the arguably it I think it's not arguable. I think this is it everyone's home having a good time you need to be prepared. And I say go pick up Trojan brand condoms. Oh, yeah. Get it done. And of course, we're partnering with them to remind you as the the party season begins. This is the time to make sure you have what you need your party supplies. Don't you think that this night is probably the most unanticipated surprise hookup of the year. Also could be running into people that you haven't seen in a long time coming home for the holidays, maybe high school friends Trojan did a poll sixty percent of singles between eighteen and twenty four says they are most likely. To have the casual sex home for the holidays. It's going to happen between tonight and the new year in hopefully beyond if you're lucky. Lucca down. Now, if let's say a guy comes to your house. Okay. And he sees Trojan condoms there. Okay. How do you think? He feels about you at that point. I would help he's really impressed. And it's like, oh, she's very safe and responsible. I'm happy with this two-thirds of people who are buying Trojan condoms. Our guys I think we should even that out. Definitely you can't trust guys to do anything. Right. No fence. Right. There's a change screw something. And you know what? So when you do meet someone, and you do have that opportunity to get intimate get close with them knowing you're prepared. You don't think about it? It's it's out of its out of the sky. You don't worry about it one less thing to worry about why would you ever trust your own personal health to someone else? Anyway, true Trojan condoms, make sure today's the day, you get them because you have a nice fun festive holiday head of you. There you go. Yeah. Do it. Do it. I'm very excited for all the people who are going to be getting it. Turkey. Oh the Turkey. If everything goes, well, it's not going to be the only thing getting stuff this holiday season. Anyway, these are the sad moments because we've been eating and drinking all morning, we're about to leave for the holiday season. We'll be back Monday. We will. And everyone can just kind of decompress for a few days. I want to hear like who had the most fun Monday. We want to have a Condit who had the most fun over the weekend. Okay. And hopefully, it involves some church Marin condom. In the morning show. We shoe and your family a happy thanksgiving.

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Dr. Jenny Yip on OCD, Anxiety, and Mental Health

Point of Inquiry

54:05 min | 2 years ago

Dr. Jenny Yip on OCD, Anxiety, and Mental Health

"Hi everyone. It's me, your point of inquiry co host covets obvi-, as some of you may know have OCD, which stands for obsessive compulsive disorder in retrospect, and sir, I started developing OCD many, many years before it was diagnosed, and I also have generalized anxiety disorder. There are so many misconceptions about these conditions. So I decided to invite doctor Jenny, yet, a nationally recognized OCD anxiety expert if anything, this episode is just the tip of the iceberg on OCD ending Zayed's I realized that it was probably a little, too ambitious to try and cover misconceptions in facts about these conditions all in one episode because there's so much to say and I could spend hours talking to Dr yet about it. So let's just say this won't be my only episode on OCD. Exiled and mental health. Hi everyone. It's me, your went of IMP host covens Pathy. I'm delighted to be joined today by Dr Johnny yet. She is the executive director of the Rendon freedom center in Los Angeles, as well as the little thinker center when I was working on a piece on postpartum deed, for south magazine, and I've since turned to her as a source for my work doctor. Yep. Is a psychologist author speaker and nationally recognized OCD anxiety expert and she also hosts a podcast called the stress less life, which I highly recommend and today, we're gonna talk all about OCD anxiety. Thanks for joining me today. Doctor, yet, thanks for having me club. So in my experience, it seems like the typical person's understanding of exile disorders and OCD, doesn't really capture how OCD and anxiety actually manifest. So could you give our listeners kind of the basic overview of OCD and an exotic disorders? And what would you say are the most common, misconceptions, when it comes to exactly OCD? Well, I guess some if I may start out my, there's a very huge misconception about what an anxiety disorder is now we all have Syrian things, and we all experience stress and not normal. That's now it's now for you to experience wrestling's -iety when you're overwhelmed, or when you're under a lot of pressure. However, once seen as it's insane and exiled, the water that is live notable because it's chronic in the to affect on your life of your work to affect your social activities. Your hobbies your interests. So that is very, very different. Right. So you're saying that exiled. Disorders. The difference between anxiety that typical person when experience an executive order is fundamentally how much affects that person's life. It's weather whether it's interfering with their life. Absolutely. And I remember going to market ones, and I'm standing behind a mother and her daughter, and this daughter, probably look about four years old. And she was just exacerbated in told her mom on just so stressed out today, you know, I'm telling her my what in the world does a four-year-old half to trust about. And we come to the society, where we are believing that stress anxiety is a bad thing. And the reality is, we all need some levels of stress positive stress. We call that in psychobabble terms use Russ. Keep us driven. He fires growing to keep us evolving. If you think about any organism. Right, and organism need some sort of pressure in order to adapt and grow and as humans. The are no different Meany pressure, and, and stress in order to adapt and grow otherwise, there, wouldn't be any within this. So more example when you were a kit. And you saw your friends playing in the jungle gym went back in the days when we're still playing outside. And back in the days, when we had jungle tunes, and you're thinking, wow. I wish I can do that, right. And then you try and then you fall, then you try again you fall aero-. Well, rose experiences are little little bits of stress that allows us to he trying again and dot and bro. And learn no different than if you had to take tests at school and the stress of having to study and understand. And hopefully you're not just memorizing you're actually on. Humphry handing cheerio. Well, not is also Russ, all, however, in got us you where we are today, Addis you being able to achieve our classes, you get callers for those of us went to college to tolerate the stresses that will continue to this in our lives. Those are the experiences that are necessary, and those are experienced that actually adds to our, our livelihood. What you're saying, is everyone this as stress that drives us to achieve. But sometimes that, that kind of goes awry, my understanding is about an estimated tuna three percent of the population is that to experience OCD, and I know that you specialize in OCD, although you deal with other exiled disorders. So I mean, could you tell us about? About anxiety disorders and some of the most common ones as well as OCD, and maybe what the difference is between what people believe OCD and anxiety to be, especially with OCD. And how does it how does it tend to manifest, and you can't really put how these how is manifest into neat boxes? Right. As the way plays out for. So, you know, the, the reality is, there are a lot of oval are truly diagnosed with exiling this orders, and we're not talking about just your typical experience of stressing Zygi anymore. These are people who are experiencing chronic levels of Zion, that is interfering with their moms that are not as interfering with their ability to function on a day-to-day basis and Enzygnost disorder. As a whole is the most common mental health disorder that it says, so about eighteen percent of adults in our population has a diagnosis, in Zion, this more and more importantly, twenty five percent of kids are diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. That means one out of every four teen lessons has a diagnosed Voinov, ninety would you? Would you say that the diagnosis rate has gone up in the last decade, two decades? 'cause I know when I was a kid, I might groping that the eighties nineties. You know, I don't remember my, my classmates being diagnosed with this, and I think now it's almost as if people talk about it more openly and I myself, I think looking back. I'm almost sure that I must have had an exit exam disorders child. Of like a catch twenty two right? Is it that they're actually more people today with a diagnosis, anxiety, disorder or is that we are just more informed? And we are more aware of this, and therefore, we are more open to speaking up about right? So it's kind of a catch twenty two we don't have knees the research, that's comparing the population today versus the population thirty or forty years ago to compare while is a really because we're just better able to assess and diagnose, because he were coming out, more openly about it, or is it really that enzyme disorders didn't happen in the in the eighties nineties, and it's just half right now, I would say, that's more Whiteley that the prevalence rate hasn't really changed in just that are more urban. We're more. I mean just by doing this as your info. Forming your audience about what an executive disorder is right. So even though we are doing our best to inform. The Molly the reality is there is of the worship of suppers who actually don't receive. So when I said that about a forty million adults exile disorder. Welcome lot owning about forty percents of them. We see treatment that leads the etter sixty percent who are sufferers of anxiety, who isn't receiving any treatment at all right. And you would say it's kind of like a wonder why aren't they receiving treatment is because they themselves don't recognize that they're going through this. Is it lack of access to health insurance medical care of the above? All definitely all of number one. There is still a lack of awareness about what an exciting this order is number two. There's a lack of healthcare professionals who can actually treat an anxiety disorder with ovens. They treatment number three, you have insurance companies that are putting limits on the type of tree. Treatments or on the length of treatment that you can, you can receive so at, you know, there is misinformation in our media in you. Go online and you hike off in Zion disorder. You will get all this misinformation about cures about immediate cures that doesn't have any evidence as an exhibiting suffer. If I am desperate or treatment, and I don't want to disclose, what I'm feeling do, do you remember the movie, analyze this analyze that with Robert scenario who now I don't, but I'm sure some of listeners have seen it. So he was suffering from ending Zion disorder. However, he wasn't going to disclose that he had an exiled this order, right? So they're still hoisted mall with running a mental health disorder. So. I know you are desperate, and you're not merely willing to goes, he professional services, and you go online, and you see some website that says, all you have to do this, and you'll be cured while there are a lot of people who fall prey victim to this type of gimmick sense. I've talked to you about OCD a couple times since I myself have CD. I mean go into OCD and unpack it a little more in terms of what it actually is what are some is sections amend later on. I would I would like to go into questions about treatment evidence based treatment that you touched on, and I have loved also talk about heads. But I guess we may not have time today's may we can do that next time. Well. Is not what you to see them media. Where are you seeing, as you know, person no is stepping in and out of doors or just repeating behaviors or they're washing, you know, the reality is that you don't see what's actually going on in a person's mung? So the best metaphor that I had give it's like having a nightmare that keeps me laying in your mind like, broken, and you can't wake up from, and that's what having an obsession is. So there are two parts to your stop session in nursing. Compulsion, the observation is that nightmare that nightmare can involve anything it can involve? Whatever it is that you see anything about CDs that will attack whatever it is. So you care about the well-being. Of your pets ball gas, let years law that if you care about making sure that you are living a righteous moral life, will guess let CD obsessions law attack that. So that's just one part of those. And that triggers anxiety. So obsessions trigger anxiety this comfort, and we as a society, don't like to experience this comfort. Right. Right. So we engage in something called promotions. The set the sea. So wore compulsions these are any type of weakening yours, or we actions that we engage in, in order to reduce the stress in order to neutralize this. Right. And that can look like a lot of different things right? Of course. So, for example of your fear is of getting a heart attack k and you fear any type of germs or illnesses, that might compromise your immune system or any type of bad foods or not exercising, not exercising. Then the thing that you would do to feel better about it is by avoiding specific situation. So awaiting situations that might be successful. Avoiding. Contaminants and waiting people with germs, avoiding the hospitals, you might start washing a lot in order to get get rid of the germs that are that is on your skin. You might seek lot. We assurance from family members and asking them, and my okay, do you think I'm going to have a heart attack? Can you check my heart? That's all it just I mean, it sounds so familiar to me because I, I have OCD and specially experienced at or I think I started to fully understand what was happening with regard to the after I had my older child after I gave birth, and I became so concerned about her wellbeing as a as a baby. And, and you know how this is to 'cause you went through postpartum OCD, too, if I recall correctly. But I would I would do things like have thoughts of harm Buli really, really vivid thoughts of harm coming to her. And I would I would tap on objects and I am tapping right now on my desk, because I'm remembering it so clearly but, you know. So that's like the obsession and the compulsion in one. Wouldn't think that oh my God. This woman is right now thinking of her of her kid dying, so very disturbing. But you wouldn't put those two things together. But, you know, my listeners, strive to form their world views based on evidence and an on science when a vailable, and they try to think critically, and I, I would like to think that I'm also a critical thinker. But I mean that kind of behavior is really kind of superstitious. So how are otherwise reasonable people like like you, and I, Dr yet doing something as superstitious these types of compulsions. Well, first of all, I want to say that as you're describing your obsessions, your intrusive, falls of harm of your child, and the things that you would do the behaviors such as tapping, you know, people outside of you wouldn't be able to see. The thoughts that you have rights, all they would see as the Tafiq and obviously because they're not making any connection. They can't be your mom. You're going to attribute your capping as some sort of quirky nonsense, eight years, right? Inada som is one of the main missing something's out there is that, you know, those are just for people, and they, you know, happy yours, why don't they just stop these years? And like your experience, if you stop the tapping what would have been your were senior. All. Picturing, barry. You're right. So, like you said, superstition is the very close analogy to having those e d. Right. So you have a superstition of. Let's say the number thirteen Ryan, and your, your fear is in you interact with the number thirteen or interact. With the number six six six those are bad numbers. Those are e whole numbers and something bad, or horrific will happen to some catastrophic consequence will happen. Right. And therefore you're going to purposely avoid any thirteen and any success in your life. And of you Jones than your fear is that these things happen. And that is exactly what a personal OCD would experience, as you were thinking about your postpartum pity while, you know, me, I actually hump from a family where many of us suffered from ziti. However, the thing about OCD, it's very, very tricky not. People will have the exact same symptoms. You might have similar symptoms, and you might have similar on meaning behind those impulsive, behaviors such as preventing a bath thing from happening or keeping yourself from being contaminated. However, you're not going to find two people with exactly the same symptom. So when I was growing up, I did not. I did not know that any of us had item. I have. Uzi on my. My grandmother, had a lot of ranging and cleaning compulsions. She would need to have everything in its place might dad was the check murder, you would check nor likes Lynch's faucets. So to make sure that nothing bad happened. I remember being a kid, and you would leave the house and you know. Gosh. I did that. I did all those we would be kissed just thinking, like, okay. All right. He's just a very safe person. That's what I thought about myself, too. And then one day, I'm like, wait a minute. And, and, you know, an end for me. I have I had so many different ones. I went from symmetry air meeting, everything to seal, even to contamination to, I have some of tapping us Lyle, though, you know, I consider myself a very logical person. Right. That's, that's what I was gonna get. We're we both seem like Mary reasonable people. And I think anybody with these sorts of with OCD especially may be before they realize what thing. Or at least I thought you know, I'm a smart person and I, I haven't critical thinker. And then but at the same time when you're engaging and some of those compulsions at least for me I kind of I kind of knew in one part of my head that, that none of us made sense, right? And that's that's the thing. People with those CD have the Warentest that their fears their behaviors are irrational or that their excessive. I knew when I was, you know, I remember my sixteenth birthday party, I was three hours late to my own sixty party. My sixteen because I could not get out of the house until I fell the metrical and I kept repeating things to right side. I would do with the left side, and of identify even to do it over again. And, you know, I was a very logical person. However, I also couldn't help, but I thought. Right. So, you know, I think the best explanation that I can give em- from my own experience in Hainan, white win. I had postpartum Rosie by this point by time. I had host Parnham ziti, which actually wasn't long ago, I happen treating those easy for almost two decades. So I knew what he was, and I knew what to do with it. And even while I was experiencing. Postpartum ZD, I kinda knew when I was doing was excessive right? It got to the point where I was washing, the sanitizing, Nagin balls, and all of the items when water that was scolding hot to the point that might might became Dr Paul cracking. Bloody once again. I knew was excessive. But then the fought of if I didn't do it in something bad might happen. You my helpless children, to my health eighty that fall was really unbearable. And therefore it was just easier for me to. To harm my hands than was toot than than it was to exist with the idea that something bad might end up happening with my. Yeah. And I can just kind of feel that when you say that the thought the intrusive thought was completely unbearable his, I was I was there and it was just overwhelming. And I, I did all of those few of those behaviors that you mentioned from your family members did several of those with postpartum I would I would leave the house, I lived in Olympia condo at the time on the second floor of this is this is about eight years ago now and I would walk down to the garage with my baby in her carrier, then I would think left the door unlocked enough, it left the door. Unlocked, the intruder was gonna be in there and attack me and my baby when we came back some go back like three or four times. But, you know, so when it comes to these intrusive, thoughts. I think you've told me this. And I've heard other say, others say it is, well, excuse me, and I've also rented in some of the literature that everyone has occasional intrusive thoughts, then, then some of them can be disturbing. Right. So how can someone tell if what they're experiencing is, is d or some other anxiety disorder when it comes to intrusive thoughts, and how do you differentiate that from normal worries? And also is there any are there any behaviors that are observable by loved ones, or co workers or signs that people could look out for, if they suspect, maybe someone that they know is going through this? Well, first of all, let's talk about the what fought our normal while the oven. I dunno. Any thoughts are normal or abnormal, right? Any thought is, is false, right? However, what the French Yates person with OCD versus any other person without recede earrings. -iety is that a person with those eating will have this intrusive, off and go. Oh my what in the world? Is that me? Why would I have such a what kind of person would I have such? Right. So a person win. Euros CD would experience the thoughts as meaningful. However, as I've said, we all have faults. I mean. How many of us have thought about strangling our boss? Right. Or our spouse stringers spouse. Thought about shaking him. When I haven't done a little bit. And for those of us will we'll go right? It's not like I'm going to act on my fault. However, Purcell OCD will have the fought and again attribute significant suet and here that they might actually act out the bought. Now, how do we know that a person with ac-, d actually isn't harmful while because the thoughts themselves are ego this tonic? And that's another psychobabble term or the thought doesn't really fit with my values. The fought doesn't really make sense. The thoughts are illogical, and it doesn't leak that might worldview, and therefore, I actually don't want to have e sought because I don't want to think about them, and I don't want to act now, each FOX, right? So. For people who have faults, and here's the thing again, OCD will rive on anything that you hear about. So if you care about being a moral person, while guess what you're have a lot of interest of false about being immoral in her own weather. They're forbidden thoughts about incest, or forbidden thoughts about having someone harming shopping harming ceiling stealing running someone over with a car, I. Yeah, I still sometimes get those I, I sort of deal with them all though. I have gone through behavioral therapy, as well as I take medication for my OCD, but I know that behavioral therapy is often the first line of treatment. Right. One of the best science based methods to help with anxiety. But also do you have any thoughts on? E. M. D R. I, I'm not even sure that I've answered the line of questions from the pre. Questions but moving forward, if we're talking about treatment, you know, the evidence based treatment or acidity and anxiety. Disorder is operatives major more specifically exposure and response convention there? So let's talk about what exposure response benching. So when we experience a fear, what we have are these intrusive, thoughts, funny, and in order to in order to realize that are thoughts don't have the greens that were tributing to them. We have to be able to confront those years. And that's what exposure means exposure means giving yourself the opportunity in a safe environment to actually confront fears so that you can't the feedback that the thoughts are not written. Now, remember, there are two parts to see and I would say this is true for all exciting because in any exile disorder, as long as you're experiencing fear, or an intrusive, trigger, to whatever that Uris you're going to experience the comfort anxiety, and you're going to respond in a way. Way to get rid of the comfort and in other enzyme disorder. Hugh might respond by voidance or other safety behaviors or even seeking reassurance. From loved ones, family funds in those are all serve as from pulsa sixty. So I wish I could draw diagrams for you right now, which would really help to explain this. However, the problem with engaging in the saints de or compulsive behaviors is that you get really I feel and the problem with the relief is that every time you experience relief, you will actually engage in the whole vicious cycle again. So rolling actually negatively being forced it reinforces with ever behavior that got you belief to begin with. So, for example, on addiction addiction is hard to treat because not only is there, negative horsemen. There's also positive reinforcement. So you're able to escape the discomfort from the substance. However, the substance actually feels so that's the positive reinforcement in the hands of the negative. So you just have to understand that whenever you're experiencing relief. You're getting negative. So the response prevention piece of E, R E is the part that keeps you from engaging in your safety or compulsive behaviors so that you don't get the relief so that you learn to taller rate, the discomfort, and the reality is that your fire flight trigger your firefly alarm is basically of the bodily action that you see all. That you perceive as anxiety that's like your adrenalin that you feel. And when you have enzyme trigger in your firefly alarm is set all it can only last for so long. It doesn't last forever, and ever and ever. Certainly. So you are able to tolerate the discomfort and not do anything at all. Here's Lorant that discomfort level will subside by itself on its own without doing. And by doing that, what you're actually doing is, you're retraining, your brain, retraining, your neural, pathways, neural chemistry that by not engaging in the VA years, you're still, hey, and you're getting the corrective feedback that the, the actually is not running right. And the end that the behavior wasn't actually helping you exactly. And is right. So, another example know that might help people understand this more. It's kind of like if you experience a headache, right? The. Headache is your intrusive uncomfortable sensation. Right. And nobody likes senate's headaches lead to comfort. Now. What is it that most of us will do to get relief from a headache, take medication or rest, while most people will take medication on your phobic medication? Right. So let's say you're taking Advil, and by taking Advil get relief. Does not mean you will never ever have another that a again. It doesn't mean that headache, Slocombe Ango, right? Just like fought Slocombe, then go. So when you have another Headey, what is it that you're going to do? Yeah, you're gonna take again why? Because felt power the worst time. You took it. Ryan, even though it's not it was only temporary fence. So one of this time you're out of Advil your medicine and you look inside you see title or let's just say aspirin, and you take aspirin and it didn't give you the relief that you expect it. So the next time when you experience a Headey again, let's say now you've replenish, your medicine cabinet with Admiral, and you have a choice now you can take aspirin or you can take Advil, which one isn't that you will likely take the Advil because the work, right? You wouldn't take the thing that didn't work will take that work. So not to show you how engaging in your compulsive behaviors. Can be devastating or your fears because actually weaned forces fears in actually minimizes your believe in your own ability to tolerate this year and a gives credence to the fear itself. Right. Right. So a lot of people with, with ERP when it comes to OCD, Han kind of break out of the cycle, right without medication necessarily, or is do more people benefit with medication and ERP. And when it comes to OCD alone are the two of those the only evidence based approaches. Right. So with anxiety disorders and the medications can be useful. However, we also know that medications it's, it's kind of a light wall approach as soon as you stop the medication. You'll just experience all symptoms EM. Right. Is on top of that medications, don't provide you completely so most people were taking medi. Occasions. Don't experience. You still experience. Sometimes new just experience to more dolled, green. So to be the most beneficial Millie do knee, cognitive behavioral therapy, specifically exposure, response prevention, Merapi. And if necessary medication a lot of people who come through our treatment center at the reunion, freedom center, might come in with a whole host of medications. Hotwheel. And after name gauge in exposure response prevention, are there. The end they start him prove we actually work to start taking them off their medications and that goes to show you that explosion response prevention therapy is really unnecessary part of treatment. Right. And then what about for other things? I eighty disorders behavioral therapies, and medications specifically assess our is our anything else considered to be evidence based for those as well. And I know I asked earlier, I touched on this mostly, because a few listeners specifically were curious if you had thoughts on EM DR were Russia. You want to hear my thoughts on the end DR to be on. No, I would I would like to hear even if they're because I've seen mixed I've seen mixed. Information on whether it is evidence based or not evidence. You know, if it if it can actually help people. So I would actually say that, no, you have to look at the source who suit, you know, a lot of EM DR research is, is actually supportive by organizations that support EM DR and therefore the research, a lot of research is bias, and we are to look at, you know, unbiased research by independence of researchers on by the way, I should interrupt really quickly because I don't think they mentioned EM DR is eye movement. Desensitization reprocessing and a couple of sinners were curious because they had kind of seen mixed information and Sali continue. Right. And therefore, if you are looking at research, by independent researchers. Who are not biased by any type of organizations comparing. Exposure, response prevention survey, or to behavior therapy was EM DR. Those research doesn't really support EM DR as being more effective. In fact, you know, the thing about EM DR, is that. You're, you're, you're really not learning to change your behavior, and you're not really learning to change your response to the fears and with anxiety disorders. It is a the disorder. Right. You are needing in ways that we were ses reinforces, the fears, reinforces the, the misconceptions of potential threat to you to your loved ones in the world and in EM DR doesn't help you change those specific behaviors. Okay, so with if, if any efficacy has been shown for DR you at say that it's because there's also Yar Pugh going on. I know I've seen that there has been some buzz about DR specifically for PTSD. Would you say that, that it might be? Effective for PTSD or that, still, you don't see evidence that would at least have you recommending it in, I had a family member suffering from PT us Lou my recommendation, were be prolong soldier and there. Hawn's and times of research on. Which was pioneered by at dodger end the pfoa. Philadelphia on her long expose and prolonged exposure, basically, helps a person again, come front the trauma in a way that is say, in a way, that allows them to realize that they are still. Okay that, yes, the trauma existed. And the trauma was, you know, it was life threatening. However it. Allows you to her bench, wait to the fear. So what does have rationing and you're saying, some people believe that if I don't want to think of, if I don't want to experience a fear or series anxiety than I just have to not think about and some people will use thought stopping as a method. And you have to realize that you are trying not to think about a thought you're actually focusing attention onto that. Exactly. Why diets don't work Ryan, like I'm not supposed to each with a. Hey, now I'm thinking about. So in MDR when pe- when they're when people are being told that they're getting it, and they're being told to think about their trauma, right while his eye movements are being guided by therapists. And so, I mean, do you think there's a placebo effect, their Hasley you're surplus Yvo because just by going to therapy, there is a CBA Bryce? So we know that a person just going to their letters to the shnell talk there or quite there fee or EM DR, any type of there's going to be some improvement. Someone a person who is in the life of someone who they believe has anxiety or has something going on. Maybe it's a worker is, is acting in a way that makes you worry about them or family member or a spouse, what are some signs that, that you can spot or that you can kind of look out for or red flags? And if you see a red flag in think that a loved one or a coworker or someone else might be going through an exciting disorder or OCD than what can you do. Let's just goes for some of the signs, I. Right. So anytime you see a person who is distracted. They might be distracted because they are dealing with intrusive thoughts that they not necessarily because they are just inattentive or not paying attention. So this is like, someone who is chronically the. Distressed by not being able to focus in the tension. Anyone who is taking a long time to complete a ties anyone who takes a long time, especially in the mornings or at nighttime. Anyone having trouble sleeping their mood is routed, there. They lost interest in actively as in hobbies agreed Asli enjoy their starting to avoid specific things if they have specific moves around what the person or even family members Hanner cannot do that must be rigidly followed if they fear going to certain places or they fear stepping out their house, or they fear being in social places. Those are just some of the more common signs of a person suffering from Xining this worms. And an executive disorder can be anything from social anxiety, which doesn't mean the person is just anxious in social situations. A person with social anxiety means that they actually fear being judged in proceed negatively being criticized, which, you know, a lot of the more popular social, people actually have social anxiety disorder master popular under social doesn't mean they're that they're con-. They're not constantly thinking about what other people are thinking of them. So social anxiety disorder. We can have a whole complete different site -ment just on that Poggi us, phobias basically, when you have a specific fear, such as flying Finers are being up in high places, and that will cause the person to avoid those things some went Hanoch disorder. This is basically someone who fears their body experiencing that fight or flight trigger. So they fear their heart palpitation. They hear on them feeling nauseous, having dizzy spells, the alling hotter. Call ting resent station. Not being agreed hyperventilating. That's panic disorder or hits. There's also separation anxiety. This is where they fear something bad will happen to either them or their loved ones if they are separate from the person, and then there's also generalizing zainy disorder which is often a catchall diagnosis for clinicians. You know, I'm just going, I just have say this. There are a lot of patients who are misdiagnose with generalized anxiety disorder when they actually have. Something more specific I had as order or OCD in the Russia now for some of these the notions is not well CD is more is a more severe diagnosis. So I'm going to give you a less severe diners, which doesn't help the person at all. Sure, what's, what would be the motivation behind giving a less severe diagnosis? If the clinicians suspects, something more specific navy because if it's more severe diagnosis than the treatment is more power or difficult. Maybe the clinician actually doesn't have awareness, and is a really seeing, you know, the presence and presentation of says, compulsive, would would you say that generalized anxiety is necessarily less severe than the rest or just that. Perhaps, that's the perception, I would say that's the perception, but it's not less. Veer more pernicious are, are trained to tweet generalizing Xining order. Whereas there are very few from Nisshin's in the world, that are trained or experience, intriguing obsessive compulsive disorder and related. Zaidi's. However, it doesn't mean that it's not treatable in his actually very, very treatable with N treatment is usually very short term. So you've been going to therapy for years and years and years, and your symptoms have not decrease. You're talking about your childhood that is not as treatment. You know, I had that same experience. I had a few years of my life. Like I said, I think I've had OCD like behaviors thought patterns for many years, but I spent a couple years doing talk therapy wondering if that would help did not help at all. So, you know, but, but I'm glad that I Finally I mean I, I actually kind of figured it out myself and I, I don't know how common that is because I went to my. My PCP and I start, you know, I think I have OCD and she said, I don't think people usually self tied knows with that. But then she checked by Saddam's, are she'd at a screening kind of discussion, and then she referred me and then lo and behold, I had OCD I it took me years to figure it out. Right. And you know the thing. That people have to realize is that is that daunting to experience exposure or to go through exposure response prevention, of course it is right? Because the whole point is to confront your fears, nobody wants to confront their fears if they were able to they wouldn't have an exciting disorder or OCD. Right. However, the reality is, if you don't confront your fears that you're just giving your fears creates and you're not learning the skills to manage your behaviors that actually reinforces your ears and your, you know, the if you experience if you go through exposure response prevention therapy, that is short term, you're not going to be experiencing. You're not going to be doing exposures or forever ever write short term, because again. When you're firefly discomfort does not last for impact in seeking ninety minutes your discover will go away on its own Wilson side on its own without doing. It's true. It was surprising. I, I might add them, unlike really could be this way. But, you know, Dr yet we've, we've already gone over time. And I like I said, we can talk about this for so many episodes. You know, I think I was it was a little ambitious of me to wanna talk to you in forty minutes in talk about anxiety and OCD. But hopefully we can do this again because we didn't get into the details. I mean, we could potentially do many more, but it's all up to how much time you're willing to share with me because you've already been so generous, and we didn't get to cognitive distortions. I wanted to ask you about those so we'll have to save it for next time. But can you can you tell the listeners where to find you? I know you're on. Twitter. And I believe in that Facebook page, don't you? I do face quesion winner and eighth Instagram. And the easiest way is just to go directly to our website, which is renewed freedom center dot com also little thinkers center dot com. And listeners want to find out more details about OCD. Oh, relating Zaindy disorders. They can also get information which is which is a factual information from two specific. Nonprofits, one is the international UCD foundation, which is I ac-, d dot or in the second one is anxiety and depression, association of America, which is a d a dot or. Thank you so much. Dr yet been the I know I o c d f was so helpful for me when I, I realized I had OCD, and they also connected me with you of years ago when I needed some expert input for peace, so they are great. I agree. Thanks again. Dr jump or joining me or thank you. Lovely. Thanks, everyone. For listening point of inquiry is a production of the center for inquiry CFI is five oh, one C three charitable nonprofit organization whose vision is a world in which evidence science and compassion, rather than superstition pseudoscience or prejudice guide public policy. You can visit us at point of inquiry dot org. Follow us on Twitter at point of inquiry or hit us up on our Facebook page to let us know your feedback, or you can find me on Twitter at case enough iffy. 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